From: Andrew Phelps <phelps@cwnet.com>

To: RadPsyNet-Members@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sat May 31 15:58 PDT

Subject: Re: [RadPsyNet-Members] Fwd: Madness, Citizenship and Social Justice Digest Vol 2, No

On Tue May 27 23:44 GMT, Ttt sent:

This provides 'balance' to the argumentation of Jjj in regards to the psychology of 'self-help'.

About 1980 there was a split between the 'mental patients' movement and (then) Radical Therapy. When the 'mental patients' examined where they stood, they saw they were divided "into two camps." According to some people's stories, there were "those who take money from the system" and "those who don't." Both tendencies have flourished, and .. occasionally .. collaborated.

They also have characteristic limitations, as expected from the "first wave" of a human rights movement. The former tendency 'self-help' tends to be bureaucratic; the latter, strident. Because of those limitations, some psychologists have taken advantage. People with conservative agendas like Fred Goodwin have opposed the 'human rights' agenda and reduced the practice to a variant 'treatment' agenda. On the other side, progressive psychologists have dismissed or tokenized the 'human rights' agenda .. as 'attitude'.

The "center" issue, or "second wave" opening, is in social construction / social accountability (Gergen, Shotter). Or in 'critical psychology' as Fox and Prilleltensky have presented the RadPsyNetMembers agenda. How do the "client/survivor" people and the social justice psychologists connect with the 'paradigm shift' itself, with the actual OVERTHROW of the 'medical model' (analogous to the way 'chemistry' overthrew 'alchemy')?