Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:27:05 -0700 (PDT)
To: ClientDiscussions@yahoogroups.com
Cc: friends
From: Andrew Phelps <math_mad@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Client Discussions] Re: Never before seen pictures of last years protest of APA
Hi
I sent this last Wednesday but it didn't post.
The concern is ongoing.
AP
On Wed, 3/17/10, Andrew Phelps <math_mad@yahoo.com> wrote:
Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 10:17 AM
Vvv
Thank you for acknowledging your giving "second class status" to the Social Accountability Work Group. It is true we don't comply with your behavioral expectations, but rather try to set the expectation that our movement struggle meaningfully against the "behavior object" agenda of the mental health treatment system and its consequences to society.
You might look at the 3hr. workshop we did at Omaha Alternatives. The video can be purchased from the Alternatives 2009 website.
Here's the title and abstract:
Title:
Imagination and Dignity: Differential Adjustment versus Personal Stress
Abstract:
The stress-making agenda "influencing attitudes and changing behavior" designs our personalities in terms of "normal" adjustment. Rather than assigning "peer specialists" who "blend" with the "recovery model" let’s dignify socially accountable "differentially adjusted people" who imagine.
We discuss developing the "trust infrastructure" of safe, mutually nurturing social relations for change.
On Mon, 3/15/10, Vvv wrote:
It is kind of hard to say if I am in denial or not when there is so little to be found on the subject of Social Accountability Work Group.
In other words, 50 people who are veteran activists nationally in our movement don't always do things quite the way you choose to do them. If 15-20 of them are on your list and also don't do things according to a stereotype or "handle" you'd like to impose, but according to their own socially accountable values, does that make them "second class?"
I finally found your internet sites at:
http://www.madman-bbs.net/nails/ and [one member’s site]. Some one had to send me a link to them.In other words, I provided you that link.
However they do not say much about the subject on those sites. And considering your S-ACC Yahoo Group is a looked group and my requested membership has not been approved.
In order to join the S-ACC Yahoo! group, one needs to indicate that one intends to engage the activists in a socially accountable manner. You have made no such argument.
I did notice that your S-ACC group had been inactive for many years until the CLIENTDISCUSSIONS group got started.
Actually in 2002 some of us in collaboration with many other organizations and individuals, notably the M.H. Clearinghouse in SE Pennsylvania, set up a "National Organizing Process" and an internet list "NO-LIST" which over five years had more than 10000 posts. While that was active, we encouraged people to divert their focus to the NO-LIST. I'm sorry you didn't happen to become a participant in the NO-LIST. In any case the hiatus in list activism you describe was due to this diversion of energy to national organizing.
Best regards
Andrew Phelps
On Sat, 3/13/10, Vvv wrote:
Andrew: Which rap is that?