Granary at Dighton, KS
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From: Dennis Budd <nitewing@ku.edu>
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 14:09:56 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: [no-list] Re: organizing
On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, northcoast_com wrote:
The longer we wait, the more unlikely anything at all will come of it IMHO
.Dunno. I doubt that. We've been waiting since 1986, I'd say.
Actually, in 1986 two national organization efforts were going full-tilt. Each of them crashed (with a whimper, not really a bang) several years later. We've been living with the void ever since.
This time I would like to see it done with enough grass-roots investment that it actually survives in a way that means something. That's why I think the ideas behind the "G.C." initiative are important.
I don't think a full-tilt rush is going to accomplish this. For myself, all I can say is "been there, done that"; we've been that route before. I would say I'm more with Andrew on the issue of "all deliberate speed".
Dennis
I think the timing has to come off of felt need. I believe the upshot from our NO-DESK discussions was that it was hard to do a National Desk Charter w/o some kind of G.C. model 'in the pipe'. And that that reality sank in kind of slowly and painfully. I'd say that deliberate speed is the best, with the objective of giving the reality time to sink in.
Certainly to push it like was done last fall with the 'National Desk in May' drive is to invite .. more confusion.
On the other hand, we should keep at moving things in this way. We do need some kind of worthwhile direction for the G.C. stuff.
Andrew Phelps
Berkeley, CA
written in Cupertino, CA
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From: Dennis Budd <nitewing@ku.edu>
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 14:24:43 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: RE: [no-list] Re: advertising v. organizing
On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Uuu wrote:
Andrew:
I don't believe we have the time for "all deliberate speed". The horrors that Sue has been documenting indicate that this Administration is not willing to give us time - they are hurrying towards Armageddon at breakneck speed.
The horrors that this administration is moving to perpetrate on us are no worse than the horrors that were being perpetrated on us in the 1970s. Some of the ideas are really not all that different from the mind control and potential genocide being pushed back then. There will be struggles around this, as there were in the '70s, and this will not be the last word. We need a solid movement that lasts in a continuing struggle, not a flash in the pan. We need to start where we can, with small steps in the here and now. We need to start with listening to and supporting each other, giving ourselves a base to work from. Otherwise we will be marginalized, brushed aside, and crushed, again and again.
Dennis