********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: "markie800" , "PC800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: Back Home Again In Arnold Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 05:56:14 -0800 My heart is with you, Mark, as you reassemble important things in your life and help us understand what it might be like. I heard from a friend of her father's situation. A fire started in their basement. Mostly smoke damage. All the repairs were done, including, according to invoices, a complete replacement of all the HVAC ducting. "Turn it on, everything is fine," the contractor says. He might have said "Fire it up" but he didn't. Turns out the ducting had NOT been replaced and the result of Turning it On was to recreate the original damage! So now it's once again, new carpet, new paint, draperies, etc! Lee Barker 95 "Secondo con Brio" ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "markie800" To: "PC800 List" Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 7:38 PM Subject: PC800: Back Home Again In Arnold > Thanks to all of my fellow listers for the good thoughts over the holidays. > We moved back in today. The electricians finished on Thursday and the > painters finished Friday. Still have to deal with the carpeting in the > living room. You wouldn't believe how dirty it got. It started as sort of a > silver color and now is much more of an ICK-grey. ServiceMaster couldn't get > it clean so the insurance company has agreed to replace it. > > Total damages came to a little over $8,000 with labor. Electricians must > make real good money. They replaced a 200 amp service panel (the primary > cause of the smoke damage) and the 220 service lines in the house. The water > heater ( you remember the water heater, the cause of all this mess) only > cost $150 at Home Depot and I think it was the cheapest thing to replace. > House smells a little funny, not like smoke but more like paint and new > plastic. Both Suzie (my daughter) and Henry (the cat) are glad to be home > again. > > Now, if the weather would only cooperate, I'd be a happy camper. My PC is > still sitting in pieces in the garage, as it's just too cold to work out > there. Incidentally, I haven't forgotten you ,Selden, the springs survived > intact in the garage, where I stumbled over them this morning. I swear that > I'll get them out this week, come Hell or high water (better be careful > here, I've already been through Hell and if the snow cover were to melt, I > might have a bunch of water to deal with). > > Hope every one has a happy and prosperous New Year. Hug a loved one and be > thankful for all that you have. It can go away faster than you think. > > Mark Gilb > Arnold, Mo. > 95 PC800 FAUX (some assembly required) > > > Shop Safely Online Without a Credit Card > http://www.rocketcash.com > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Mon, 1 Jan 2001 17:31:30 +0100 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Nossin, E.M. - SPLKK" To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: PC800: Happy new year ! Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 17:31:25 +0100 Happy new year (and of course new millennium, this being the first year of the 2nd millennium) to all you coasters out there ! I went to Londen for the weekend and celebrated new year at Big Ben amongst thousands of people and arrived just in time on the airport to start my late shift... and to see how the millennium bug did it's thing here.. worldwide almost all KLM and other systems were out, not possible to retrieve actual flight info except from today, cargo info or telexes and much more... and nobody that was prepared for this to happen .. it took them all day to fix everything... eventhough I remember a lot of people warning that 1/1/01 was the real date to worry... so total chaos here... I hope this year will be at least as good as last year.. for me personnally 2000 was a great motorcycle year ; I made a trip to Luxemburg, Norway, France, Sauerland and ofcourse the great Tupperware party with all of you. This year a great start with the Toronto motorcycle show, I will leave the day after tommorrow and I'm looking forward if the eastcoasters are as mad as the westcoasters I met in september. Everybody have a great, spectacular, smooth, curvy, twisty, drooly and above all safe 2001 ! Emile www.piloot.com www.ipcrc.org internet Pacific Coast Riders Club ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. ********************************************************************** -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Fenwick" To: "Nossin, E.M. - SPLKK" , Subject: Re: PC800: Happy new year ! Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 14:09:54 -0600 > Happy new year (and of course new millennium, > this being the first year of the 2nd millennium) to > all you coasters out there ! Ummm, this is the first year of the *third* Millennium... Year 1-1000 = first Year 1001-2000 = second Year 2001-3000 = third Of course, the year the Millennium started my differ by a year with some folks ;-) , but this is definitely the third Millennium. However, I will agree with the "Happy New Year to all you Coasters out there" part... Rich Fenwick rfenwick@core.com http://pc_800.tripod.com 1990 Honda PC800 HRCA - HM725413 AMA - 361534 ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Nossin, E.M. - SPLKK To: Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 10:31 AM Subject: PC800: Happy new year ! > Happy new year (and of course new millennium, > this being the first year of the 2nd millennium) to > all you coasters out there ! > > I went to Londen for the weekend and celebrated > new year at Big Ben amongst thousands of people > and arrived just in time on the airport to start my > late shift... and to see how the millennium bug did > it's thing here.. worldwide almost all KLM and other > systems were out, not possible to retrieve actual flight > info except from today, cargo info or telexes and much > more... and nobody that was prepared for this to happen > .. it took them all day to fix everything... eventhough I > remember a lot of people warning that 1/1/01 was > the real date to worry... so total chaos here... > > I hope this year will be at least as good as last year.. > for me personnally 2000 was a great motorcycle year ; > I made a trip to Luxemburg, Norway, France, Sauerland > and ofcourse the great Tupperware party with all of you. > This year a great start with the Toronto motorcycle show, > I will leave the day after tommorrow and I'm looking forward > if the eastcoasters are as mad as the westcoasters I met > in september. > > Everybody have a great, spectacular, smooth, curvy, > twisty, drooly and above all safe 2001 ! > > Emile > www.piloot.com > www.ipcrc.org internet Pacific Coast Riders Club > > > ********************************************************************** > This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. > ********************************************************************** > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 14:11:27 -0600 Subject: Re: PC800: Happy new year ! From: Daryl Tschoepe To: PC800 Hah! I finally have him! It's the first year of the 3rd millennium!!! Try wiggling out of this one Emile, in a thousand words or less... Happy New Everything Everyone, as I wish the thermometer would get above 40 or so I can put shelves together in the garage. On a serious note, thanks to all of you...without the list I probably wouldn't have taken a chance on a 10 year old PC, and would have missed some great fun with the wifey! Later, Daryl It's possible that on 1/1/01 10:31 AM, Nossin, E.M. - SPLKK at Emile.Nossin@klm.nl hurled this into the void... > Happy new year (and of course new millennium, > this being the first year of the 2nd millennium) to > all you coasters out there ! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BillandScoot@cs.com Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 15:23:23 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Happy new year ! To: tschoepe@earthlink.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu To all: Happy New Year, New Millinium, etc...... Bill Richardson 98PC"Scoot" San Antonio iPCRC #906 HRCA #001137 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:31:42 +0100 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Nossin, E.M. - SPLKK" To: PC800 Subject: RE: PC800: Happy new year ! Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:31:35 +0100 > From: Daryl Tschoepe[SMTP:tschoepe@earthlink.net] > Hah! I finally have him! > Try wiggling out of this one Emile, in a thousand words or less... > Best wishes to you too Daryl : ) You know that if you just remove a few words from your last reply you can get the following sentence ? : )=) > I wish the thermometer would get above 40 > so I can take a chance and have some great fun with the wifey! > Daryl Emile ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. ********************************************************************** -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 13:22:11 -0800 (PST) From: Sayer Subject: PC800: Better to wait until spring to sell a PC8000 in Washington DC area? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu My purchase of a PC8000 back in October has complicated my life a bit more than I had anticipated. Due to financial and personal (my wife's still not happy about it) reasons I am starting to think that I will have to sell my PC800. It's a difficult decision because this is the bike I have dreamed about owning for close to 10 years. I'm wondering if it would be better to wait until spring to try and sell it. I just want to break even and sell it for what I paid. Here are the specs: '96 with 3,922 original miles. It has a few small scratches on the panels below the passenger seat and a small area where the gas tank cover meets the seat that the paint had chipped off and was touched up by the original owner. I have added a nice set of custom trunk mats made by one of the list members :-) and have had the oil and rear drive oil changed. I want to sell it for the $3,800 that I paid for it and will be firm on this price. I don't plan to haggle at all. If anyone hears of someone looking to buy a PC800 in the Washignton, DC area please let me know. That's why I'm asking if it would be better to wait until spring... Any advice would be appreciated. Sayer ===== '96 PC800 "Discovery" Herndon, VA Sayer's music: http://mp3.com/sayer and http://mp3.com/dreamquest Sayer's studio site: http://members.aol.com/sayersweb/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaPC800Rider@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 18:36:42 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Better to wait until spring to sell a PC8000 in Washington DC area? To: sayerseely@yahoo.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Not having been in your present situation (I'm single) I think you should try to "sell" the idea of you having the PC. In a city with some of the longest commuting times and mileages, how much distance and time are you from your workplace? A typical "sell" could go like this... Take your current car... Unless you drive a really fuel efficient car, you mpg on the PC is certainly a winner with 38-50 mpg possible, depending on your riding style. Explain to her that your PC will save you money in the short run and over time. Ease/cost of parking? Low insurance? Pacific Coast isn't a chick magnet, so you won't pick up chicks on it... Versatility? Panache? Low maintenance? Frees up garage space for her junk (antiques, etc.)... You could try to DO THINGS for her on your PC (No, not those kinds of things, but it might work as well : )... When I first purchased my PC last June, to truly impress my friends, for a beach party I filled the trunk with ice and put a case of Heineken bottles, a CASE, mind you in it. This forever changed the view of this motorcycle to many of my non-motorcycling friends... (Of course, this action may not work for a spouse.) Go to the hardware store, pick up some stuff in it... Buy her something at the mall, SOMETHING NICE and expensive and show it to her while opening the trunk... To you married guys that have been in this position, am I going overboard here? Chances are, there will be more of this... My fathers boss recently owned a Hayabusa. His then fiance' made him sell it after only owning it for about four months... He just got married, to the same lady of course, and two weeks later bought a new Ford Lightning truck... Guess what? Its in the paper already, and he's owned it about three months, why you ask? The wife! says I can't keep it... >From a single guys' perspective... Troy Doyle '97 PC800 "Gabrielle" and '01 Chrysler 300M Summerville, SC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 15:47:26 -0800 (PST) From: Christoffer Carstanjen Subject: Re: PC800: Happy new year ! To: "Nossin, E.M. - SPLKK" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" > This year a great start with the Toronto motorcycle > show,I will leave the day after tommorrow and I'm looking forward if the eastcoasters are as mad as the westcoasters I met in september. I know why the Westcoasters were mad! Who'd blame them if you borrowed a ST1100 and rode forwards and at the same time was filming pics _backwards_.... geesh... never mind dating my daughter... ;-) ===== Christoffer Carstanjen - 98PC800 Nebuchadnezzar AIM= christoffer67 - chat sometime? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Fenwick" To: Subject: PC800: 2 - 1989 PC's on eBay. Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 18:32:53 -0600 There are two '89 PC's currently listed on eBay. One is in Foster City, CA and has 115,000+ miles. It is being sold as for parts or to be repaired (claims that the "transmission went out"). Current price is $535. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=532433031 The other one is in El Paso, TX and has 17,000+ miles. It would seem by the description that it would make someone a dandy PC. Current price is $2750. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=532230616 Rich Fenwick rfenwick@core.com http://pc_800.tripod.com 1990 Honda PC800 HRCA - HM725413 AMA - 361534 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 19:35:34 -0500 Subject: Re: PC800: Better to wait until spring to sell a PC8000 in Washington DC area? To: sayerseely@yahoo.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: yankeesmuggler@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) sayerseely@yahoo.com writes: >Due to financial and personal (my wife's still not happy >about it) reasons I am starting to think that I will have to sell my PC800. > > >Sayer I don't think we can help you with the financial aspect, although riding the PC800 regularly instead of a car should help, but I think you need to introduce your wife to some of us fellow riders so she can see how much fun it will be to keep the bike. I've never met a Pacific Coast rider I didn't like:-) Tim Davies Seneca Falls, New York 13148 '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BillandScoot@cs.com Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:05:21 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Better to wait until spring to sell a PC8000 in Washington DC area? To: sayerseely@yahoo.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Sayer, If possible I would wait till spring. Reason #1: Better market. Folks start thinking about riding. Reason #2: The longer it stays at your house, the more likely she will get used to the idea of you having it......(stall the process as long as possible) Gang, I guess I am indeed a lucky man. Don't have a fancy house or a lot of money, but I do have a wife that understands my wanting a little adventure in my life. She doesn't personally care much about the bike or riding in general, but allows me a long leash. I guess I will keep her for another 10 years or more (our 10th anniversary is Thursday). Bill Richardson 98PC"Scoot" San Antonio iPCRC #906 HRCA #001137 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ahall77379@aol.com for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:21:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:21:33 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Better to wait until spring to sell a PC8000 in Washington DC area? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 1/1/01 8:07:23 PM Central Standard Time, BillandScoot@cs.com writes: > Sayer, > If possible I would wait till spring. Reason #1: Better market. Folks start > thinking about riding. I agree Bill. The price of a bike is usually higher in the spring due to "ants in the pants" syndrome. Also, who wants to buy now and store it while waiting for warmer weather? As far as selling an idea to a SO, that's a giant can o' worms that I'll stay away from! Alan in Houston 89' PC Rifle +2 AudioVox ccs-100 cruise control Utopia backrest Hitch Doc GenMar risers Cycle-Mate trailer -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 20:45:08 -0600 Subject: Re: PC800: Happy new year ! From: Daryl Tschoepe To: PC800 Well, Both versions would be correct :-) There's a reason flannel pajamas aren't on the cover of the Victoria's Secret catalog... Later, Daryl It's possible that on 1/1/01 2:31 PM, Nossin, E.M. - SPLKK at Emile.Nossin@klm.nl hurled this into the void... >> From: Daryl Tschoepe[SMTP:tschoepe@earthlink.net] >> Hah! I finally have him! >> Try wiggling out of this one Emile, in a thousand words or less... >> > Best wishes to you too Daryl : ) > You know that if you just remove a few words from your > last reply you can get the following sentence ? : )=) > >> I wish the thermometer would get above 40 >> so I can take a chance and have some great fun with the wifey! >> Daryl > > Emile > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BillandScoot@cs.com Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:55:59 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Better to wait until spring to sell a PC8000 in Washington DC area? To: Ahall77379@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Alan, You do indeed have a point, but as I say, I am a lucky man..... Bill Richardson 98PC"Scoot" San Antonio iPCRC #906 HRCA #001137 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 22:15:56 -0500 Subject: Re: PC800: Happy new year ! To: Emile.Nossin@klm.nl Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: yankeesmuggler@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) Emile.Nossin@klm.nl writes: >I will leave the day after tommorrow and I'm looking forward >if the eastcoasters are as mad as the westcoasters I met >in september. > >Everybody have a great, spectacular, smooth, curvy, >twisty, drooly and above all safe 2001 ! > >Emile I'm not sure if that is a reputation I want to live up to or live down. I hope you realize we will have a disadvantage in that it is winter and we don't have our bikes to make it a fair competition:-) Tim Davies Seneca Falls, New York 13148 '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Tue, 2 Jan 2001 08:24:53 +0100 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Nossin, E.M. - SPLKK" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Happy new year ! Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:20:13 +0100 > From: Fenwick[SMTP:rfenwick@core.com] > Ummm, this is the first year of the *third* Millennium... > However, I will agree with the "Happy New Year to all you Coasters out > there" part... > Hmm... thank you Rich for that correction, so right.. a busy London weekend with rests in a cheap motel and work right after arrival takes its toll.... 1st day of the 1st month of the 1st year of the 21st century of the 3rd millennium... makes me wonder in what millennium (/ century / decade) one can categorize the year 0... the 1st millenium BC I guess ? But that's for another mailing list... Emilennium ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. ********************************************************************** -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 03:43:51 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ralph Couey" To: "Pacific Coast Owners" Subject: PC800: Wait 'till Spring (et al) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 05:43:20 -0600 Marital politics can be a battle or a game, depending on the personalities involved. I think the one thing missing here is the root of her objections. Nearly all the cases of SWMBO resistance to motorcycles revolves around the safety and continued functioning of the rider. My wife resisted for years the idea that I could ride. Once our four kids reached an age of semi-autonomy, the arguments of economics overcame the arguments of "You're not going to leave me alone to parent these kids." With the commute that I have, the amount of money we saved (proved through the maintenance of a spreadsheet) allowed us to do a number of things, including eliminating some debt, that we wouldn't be able to otherwise. But timing was the crucial aspect. My kids had to be of a certain age before she would agree. It may be as simple as that. The other possibility is one of jealousy, either one spouse having an activity one enjoys immensely and the other spouse not having an analogous activity, or the preternatural fear that in a world where time is an increasingly priceless commodity, owning a bike will reduce the already precious amount two people in love can spend together. For example, yesterday my wife asked me when I was going to propose to this computer. I offer no solutions, just some insight. Ralph Couey Columbia, MO '95 PC800 "Seishin No Yomichi" "A life lived without risk is no life at all." -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Tue, 2 Jan 2001 04:51:41 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Chuck Chiodini" To: "Pacific Coast Owners" Subject: Re: PC800: Wait 'till Spring (et al) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 06:53:24 -0600 Listers: Ralph makes some excellent points. I'm the last one on this earth to give marital advice, but here goes one idea. Sign you AND her up for the bext MSF course. If safety is a concern for her, the course should make her feel better about lessening the risks involved. The added benefit of having her take the course, is it would introduce her to motorcycling the "right way", has no major investment/ cash outlay involved (they provide bikes and equipment) and it just might be fun for her. Besides, you meet the nicest folks on bikes. Perhaps she's worried you might change into a stereotyped biker. Another suggestion: Both of you attend a local chapter meeting of WOW, (Women on Wheels), motorcycle club meeting. When she sees WOW in action, I betcha her interest/understanding of motorcycling will become more positive. Good luck! Chuck Chiodini in Heber Springs, Arkansas (snowed/iced in) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 08:26:04 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Bill & Cheryl Subject: Re: PC800: Better to wait until spring to sell a PC8000 in Washington DC area? At 04:22 PM 1/1/01, Sayer wrote: >My purchase of a PC8000 back in October has complicated my life a bit more >than >I had anticipated. Due to financial and personal (my wife's still not happy >about it) Sayer, A while back I also wanted to sell my PC, an 89. Although my wife has no problem with me owning or riding, in fact she enjoys riding along on the back. The decision to sell was based on our financial tight spot. We could have really used the $2900 that a sale of the bike would bring. So I listed it for sale on this listserv, which I figured would bring the most interest. I admit that there's a lot less demand for an 89 than later models but I only got one inquiry. Here's the thing: I informed my potential buyer of EVERY ding, scratch, and imperfection no matter how tiny and insignificant. Guess what? I never heard back from him! I still have the bike, and it's a good thing too, because I commute 225 miles a week on it now due to a job change. BOTTOM LINE: I am glad I didn't sell! Bill Johnson 89PC800 33500 miles West Palm Beach, FL -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP Tue, 2 Jan 2001 06:18:04 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John" To: Cc: "John Wolfred" Subject: PC800: 1990 PC for sale Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:17:58 -0500 The after christmas special 1990 Honda PC800 for sale; price - $2,700 or best offer; includes 2 red = SHOEI helemets, large, both are new in good condition; tank bag. 39,000 miles; color - Candy Apple Red;=20 You may contact me at jwchurch1@home.com or leave a message at 757-460-4076. Both the bike and I reside in Virginia Beach Virginia. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: From: "Gregory Pius" Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:18:36 -0500 01/02/2001 09:18:38 AM Hi gang! I'm the proud, new owner of a beautiful (well, they're _all_ beautiful, aren't they?) '95 PC800. I positively love the motorcycle! However, I have only one major beef: the poor thing only gets 22 MPG! I live in Ft. Lauderdale, on the east coast of Florida. I went to pick up my new steed the day after Christmas at Proudfoot Motorcycle in Ft. Meyers (plug) on the Gulf Coast. Those of you who know Florida know are no doubt familiar with our famous "Alligtor Alley", which is the east-west continuation of I-75 to Southeast Florida. Well, I almost didn't make it. By the time I had pulled into the Miccosoukee Tribe's Shell station (about halfway across the Alley) my poor PC was on fumes--and this is only a scant 100 miles after receiving a full top-off at the dealership. My research had led me to believe that the PC is supposed to get somewhere around a more respectable 50mpg, so what do you suppose could be wrong? The bike sounds perfect and emits no smoke at all, and I always made sure that the choke cable was fully off before taking to the street. I read in the archives about using lower octane gas (it got a full tank of 93 octane), which I'll try--but I feel there might be something a bit more sinister going on beneath all that plastic cladding. Help! Gregory (Your Friendly Neighborhood Sysadmin) <.sig> Gregory Pius, System Administrator IBM Advanced Technologies, Ft. Lauderdale, Florida piusg@us.ibm.com Tie Line 599-6940 - Voice (954)-958-6940 - Mobile (954)-658-2566 AOL Instant Messenger: GWPius -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:36:31 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Battery Charge ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "MTW" >So what's the best way to charge the battery when I need to start it? Battery Tender, or perhaps the Battery Tender Junior. >I looked at the battery yesterday and I don't see how one can put the clamp >on the positive post (ANODE ?) without shorting to the frame just in front >of it. Plug it into the connection for your electric vest. If not, best to wire in a connection. [My PC (1990) has plastic protecting the frame so a battery clamp won't short out]. -- Chris Norloff, Virginia '92 Honda ST1100 ABS STOC #1290 '90 Honda Pacific Coast (PC800) "Callipygian" '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar "Soul-less Appliance" - a pejorative term for a motorcycle that doesn't break down. -- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:39:05 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Curling (Employment Opportunity) ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Coverts" >Other suggestions for sand/gravel removal will be appreciated. I take a different approach - sand on the road looks good to me because I know it has more traction than ice. Chris Norloff -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: AJDOBBS@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:43:51 EST Subject: PC800: PC Fuel Consumption To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu CC: piusg@us.ibm.com Gregory, I am not sure what the problem is with your bike. Suggestions: replace the spark plugs, add a K & N air filter (Increases horsepower and mileage), check tire pressure, make sure your brakes are not "locking up" while you are driving and finally change the oil and filter for good measure. If non of these suggestions help - I would contact a dealer that you know and trust for suggestions! My fuel gauge is not correct. I can be on empty but have another 60 miles worth of fuel. I use the following rule of thumb: Single: 190 miles (at most before a fillup), 2 Up: 170 miles (at most before a fill up), and single or 2 up with my Bushtec trailer: 150 miles(at most before a fill up). I just set the trip gauge when I refuel. Good luck with the new bike. I am sure your fuel consumption problem is not a major issue to correct. Happy New Year! A.J. Dobbs '94 PC w/ a Matching Bushtec Turbo + 2 Trailer In a message dated 1/2/01 9:19:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, piusg@us.ibm.com writes: << Subj: Date: 1/2/01 9:19:27 AM Eastern Standard Time From: piusg@us.ibm.com (Gregory Pius) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hi gang! I'm the proud, new owner of a beautiful (well, they're _all_ beautiful, aren't they?) '95 PC800. I positively love the motorcycle! However, I have only one major beef: the poor thing only gets 22 MPG! I live in Ft. Lauderdale, on the east coast of Florida. I went to pick up my new steed the day after Christmas at Proudfoot Motorcycle in Ft. Meyers (plug) on the Gulf Coast. Those of you who know Florida know are no doubt familiar with our famous "Alligtor Alley", which is the east-west continuation of I-75 to Southeast Florida. Well, I almost didn't make it. By the time I had pulled into the Miccosoukee Tribe's Shell station (about halfway across the Alley) my poor PC was on fumes--and this is only a scant 100 miles after receiving a full top-off at the dealership. My research had led me to believe that the PC is supposed to get somewhere around a more respectable 50mpg, so what do you suppose could be wrong? The bike sounds perfect and emits no smoke at all, and I always made sure that the choke cable was fully off before taking to the street. I read in the archives about using lower octane gas (it got a full tank of 93 octane), which I'll try--but I feel there might be something a bit more sinister going on beneath all that plastic cladding. Help! Gregory (Your Friendly Neighborhood Sysadmin) >> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaPC800Rider@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:54:47 EST Subject: PC800: Re: (Fumes) To: piusg@us.ibm.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 1/2/2001 9:19:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, piusg@us.ibm.com writes: << Well, I almost didn't make it. By the time I had pulled into the Miccosoukee Tribe's Shell station (about halfway across the Alley) my poor PC was on fumes--and this is only a scant 100 miles after receiving a full top-off at the dealership. >> Sounds like you may be a victim of the dreaded "inaccurate fuel gauge" that seemingly all PC800's have... My 97 PC shows nearly a full red "E" on the gauge, and I still have nearly two gallons in the tank... Like one lister pointed out last summer, you still typically have about half a gallon of fuel left when the needle just begins to touch the hose on the fuel pump icon on the gauge. There is a fix which I'm sure another lister will point out to you, involving removing the sending unit and bending it, but I've had the PC for almost a year, and have gotten used to it... "Remember on a PC: When the needle reaches the red, don't put your PC to bed, just twist the throttle instead!" (this was a feeble attempt at a humorous rhyme) Troy Doyle '97 PC800 "Gabrielle" and '01 Chrysler 300M Summerville, SC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 10:11:35 -0500 Subject: PC800: Re: MPG To: piusg@us.ibm.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: yankeesmuggler@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) Gregory, You are correct about your mileage being low. I don't think I have ever heard of any other listers getting that low a mpg. I usually get in the mid 40's. Don't waste your money on high octane gas either. The regular grade works great and as you have pointed out, some listers have even found the high octaine fuel to give them lower mileage. I'd suggest you wait unitl you've given it few tanks full of gas and check the mileage as you go. Unless you opened the fuel tank and looked in to see that it was full from the dealer before your initial trip, your gas gage may have show full, but it was not true. You have a great bike, enjoy! Tim Davies Seneca Falls, New York 13148 '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" piusg@us.ibm.com writes: >Hi gang! > >I'm the proud, new owner of a beautiful (well, they're _all_ beautiful, >aren't they?) '95 PC800. I positively love the motorcycle! However, I have >only one major beef: the poor thing only gets 22 MPG! > >I read in the archives about using lower octane gas (it got a full tank of >93 octane), which I'll try--but I feel there might be something a bit more >sinister going on beneath all that plastic cladding. > >Help! > >Gregory (Your Friendly Neighborhood Sysadmin) > ><.sig> >Gregory Pius, System Administrator >IBM Advanced Technologies, Ft. Lauderdale, Florida -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 09:59:17 -0600 From: David Sigsbee To: PC800 PC800 Subject: PC800: removing alternator cover. Day before yesterday I moved furniture from one end of our living room, rolled an oriental rug up into a corner, put a large sheet of plywood on the floor the hardwood floor, drove the motorcycle on a ramp up and over the front porch steps and into the living room (having first removed the mirrors in order to make it through the door), and put the motorcycle on its center stand on the plywood. As you can see, my wife is a very tolerant person.Yesterday, I removed the plastic and am now ready to replace the stator. I suppose the "thingy" I'm concerned about should be called something like "left crankcase cover" or the like, but I do not have my shop manual with me at my office, and "alternator cover" seems to describe the function of this cover to which the stator is attached. But to get to the point of this message--I have gotten an Electrex stator for my 94 PC in order to take advantage of the promised "about 20% more current output" that the company representative told me I would get. I am doing this to provide some more capacity for my wife's and my heated clothing (from Widder) and other electrical accessories, since my ammeter and voltmeter readings indicate that we are taxing the system's capacity. Now my question. Does the clutch slave cylinder have to be taken apart, as the manual seems to indicate, to remove the alternator cover? Can I simply instead, disconnect the hydraulic line and leave the slave cylinder parts intact (and then bleed everything after I put it back together)? From looking at the manual, the only problem I can see is that one of the bolts for the stator cover is slightly behind a projection of the slave cylinder casting, and I may have to remove it with a box wrench instead of getting straight access to it with a socket wrench. Any advice is more than appreciated. Thanks. David -- David L. Sigsbee Office: 901 678-4688 Academic Transfer and Articulation Fax: 901 678-5367 The University of Memphis E-Mail: dsigsbee@memphis.edu 402 Jones Hall Home: 901 327-3848 Memphis, TN 38152-6140 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 10:06:50 -0600 From: David Sigsbee To: PC800 PC800 Subject: PC800: Cleaning radiator fins In taking the plastic off of my PC, I saw how much dirt and grit the tire seems to have thrown onto the radiator. Since it appears that I can't get a hose behind the radiator to wash the stuff out from the back side to the front like I would do with my car or house air conditioner unit, I am interested in what others have done to clean their radiator fins. Also, has any one tried any of the non-acid cleaning foams that are used for cleaning air conditioners onm their motorcycle radiators and with what results? Thanks David -- David L. Sigsbee Office: 901 678-4688 Academic Transfer and Articulation Fax: 901 678-5367 The University of Memphis E-Mail: dsigsbee@memphis.edu 402 Jones Hall Home: 901 327-3848 Memphis, TN 38152-6140 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) 2 Jan 2001 08:13:42 -0800 (PST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 08:13:05 -0800 From: Mike Trapp Subject: Re: PC800: PC Fuel Consumption To: AJDOBBS@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu A.J., What K & N filter? Is it just a filter replacement or both the filter and holder (like I have seen on some cars). Excuse me if this sounds naive, I am the typical nerd (great with computers not-so good with engines). on 1/2/01 6:43 AM, AJDOBBS@aol.com at AJDOBBS@aol.com wrote: > I am not sure what the problem is with your bike. Suggestions: replace the > spark plugs, add a K & N air filter (Increases horsepower and mileage), check > tire pressure, make sure your brakes are not "locking up" while you are > driving and finally change the oil and filter for good measure. -- Until Next Time, /// Mike Trapp /@ @\ ( ) <<---oOOO--( )--OOOo--- Your Information Went Data Way ----->> (best view with a mono-spaced font) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mplspop4.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 2 Jan 2001 16:58:56 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 11:04:47 -0600 From: "Rick Corwine" To: "Gregory Pius" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: (Fumes) Greg, I'd give the dealer a call and tell them about the problem. Even if you don't have an extensive warranty if they're a good dealership they will want you to be happy with your purchase. I wouldn't call and get angry with them just let them know that there may be a problem and that your going to try a couple of more tankfulls of gas and see if it gets better. They'll be a lot more receptive to you wanting to have them correct the problem the earlier you let them know about it. That's better than showing up in a couple of months saying that it's never gotten good gas mileage and I've tried a bunch of fixes myself and it still gets lousy mileage. Even the best dealership will likely charge you for the work then. Cars transport the body. Motorcycles transport the soul. Rick Corwine Chanhassen, MN 1995 "Raven" Gregory Pius wrote: > > Hi gang! > > I'm the proud, new owner of a beautiful (well, they're _all_ beautiful, > aren't they?) '95 PC800. I positively love the motorcycle! However, I have > only one major beef: the poor thing only gets 22 MPG! > > I live in Ft. Lauderdale, on the east coast of Florida. I went to pick up > my new steed the day after Christmas at Proudfoot Motorcycle in Ft. Meyers > (plug) on the Gulf Coast. Those of you who know Florida know are no doubt > familiar with our famous "Alligtor Alley", which is the east-west > continuation of I-75 to Southeast Florida. > > Well, I almost didn't make it. By the time I had pulled into the > Miccosoukee Tribe's Shell station (about halfway across the Alley) my poor > PC was on fumes--and this is only a scant 100 miles after receiving a full > top-off at the dealership. > > My research had led me to believe that the PC is supposed to get somewhere > around a more respectable 50mpg, so what do you suppose could be wrong? The > bike sounds perfect and emits no smoke at all, and I always made sure that > the choke cable was fully off before taking to the street. > > I read in the archives about using lower octane gas (it got a full tank of > 93 octane), which I'll try--but I feel there might be something a bit more > sinister going on beneath all that plastic cladding. > > Help! > > Gregory (Your Friendly Neighborhood Sysadmin) > > <.sig> > Gregory Pius, System Administrator > IBM Advanced Technologies, Ft. Lauderdale, Florida > piusg@us.ibm.com > Tie Line 599-6940 - Voice (954)-958-6940 - Mobile (954)-658-2566 > AOL Instant Messenger: GWPius > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: "'Mike Trapp'" , AJDOBBS@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: PC Fuel Consumption/Filters Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 12:26:51 -0500 No prob, Mike. K & N is a manufacturer. They have standard replacement filters as well as some that fit but are less restrictive to air flow. I think that maybe even their standard ones are less restrictive, even, but not hysterically so. If the restrictiveness changes too much due to your choice of filter, you may have to also change the jetting in the carburetor. This is somewhat involved, and not for the shy. You have to have a naked bike--tupperware off and carbs accessible--a selection of jets (so that you can get the correct size) and a willingness to remove and disassemble and then reassemble and reinstall the carbs possibly a few times. Or you have to be good friends with a mechanic. Also, if you do both of these things, you may notice some increase in power, and corresponding decrease in mileage. IOW, if you stray from the "standard," be prepared for an adventure. -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Mike Trapp [mailto:mdtrapp@pacbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 11:13 AM To: AJDOBBS@aol.com; pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: PC Fuel Consumption A.J., What K & N filter? Is it just a filter replacement or both the filter and holder (like I have seen on some cars). Excuse me if this sounds naive, I am the typical nerd (great with computers not-so good with engines). on 1/2/01 6:43 AM, AJDOBBS@aol.com at AJDOBBS@aol.com wrote: > I am not sure what the problem is with your bike. Suggestions: replace the > spark plugs, add a K & N air filter (Increases horsepower and mileage), check > tire pressure, make sure your brakes are not "locking up" while you are > driving and finally change the oil and filter for good measure. -- Until Next Time, /// Mike Trapp /@ @\ ( ) <<---oOOO--( )--OOOo--- Your Information Went Data Way ----->> (best view with a mono-spaced font) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: "Goldberg, Saul" , "'Mike Trapp'" , AJDOBBS@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: PC Fuel Consumption/Filters Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 12:31:12 -0500 Oh, I believe they come with the necessary holders/clamps, etc. -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Goldberg, Saul [mailto:sgoldber@mc.cc.md.us] Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 12:27 PM To: 'Mike Trapp'; AJDOBBS@aol.com; pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: PC Fuel Consumption/Filters No prob, Mike. K & N is a manufacturer. They have standard replacement filters as well as some that fit but are less restrictive to air flow. I think that maybe even their standard ones are less restrictive, even, but not hysterically so. If the restrictiveness changes too much due to your choice of filter, you may have to also change the jetting in the carburetor. This is somewhat involved, and not for the shy. You have to have a naked bike--tupperware off and carbs accessible--a selection of jets (so that you can get the correct size) and a willingness to remove and disassemble and then reassemble and reinstall the carbs possibly a few times. Or you have to be good friends with a mechanic. Also, if you do both of these things, you may notice some increase in power, and corresponding decrease in mileage. IOW, if you stray from the "standard," be prepared for an adventure. -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Mike Trapp [mailto:mdtrapp@pacbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 11:13 AM To: AJDOBBS@aol.com; pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: PC Fuel Consumption A.J., What K & N filter? Is it just a filter replacement or both the filter and holder (like I have seen on some cars). Excuse me if this sounds naive, I am the typical nerd (great with computers not-so good with engines). on 1/2/01 6:43 AM, AJDOBBS@aol.com at AJDOBBS@aol.com wrote: > I am not sure what the problem is with your bike. Suggestions: replace the > spark plugs, add a K & N air filter (Increases horsepower and mileage), check > tire pressure, make sure your brakes are not "locking up" while you are > driving and finally change the oil and filter for good measure. -- Until Next Time, /// Mike Trapp /@ @\ ( ) <<---oOOO--( )--OOOo--- Your Information Went Data Way ----->> (best view with a mono-spaced font) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Tue, 02 Jan 2001 18:14:23 0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Hall, Randy" To: "PC800 Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: PC800: NorCal Winter Trip Report Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:14:16 -0800 Greetings! I've been on holiday for the past two weeks, and boy has the PC mailing list been backing up my Inbox!! Anyhow, I wanted to fill people in on a couple of things that have transpired during my time off. First of all, PC SIGHTING southbound on Leigh Avenue just north of Dry Creek Road in San Jose on December 15. This was just before the stroke of darkness. I managed to get a wave to the rider before realizing the model of the bike, but then I was a quarter mile away and headed home anyhow... Next, the "Wondrous Winter Weather of Northern California". The last week has been especially wonderful with highs in the low 70's!! I got my first really good ride in since I bought my PC on December 29. Nice and empty, considering it was Friday. By the end of the day, I had put 153 miles of curvy, hilly country roads on the bike. OH MY GOD, MY ASS! Oooooh, feel the burn... The course (which will only really be recognizable to those who have done some riding in the Santa Cruz mountians): Starting in San Jose: Almaden Expressway south to Old Almaden Rd. Old Almaden Rd. south to Hicks Rd. Hicks Rd. north to Shannon Rd. Shannon Rd. west to Los Gatos Blvd. Los Gatos Blvd. south to Hwy. 9 Hwy. 9 west to Hwy. 35 Hwy. 35 north to Hwy. 84 (Alices Restaurant/Boulevard Grill) - breaktime Hwy. 84 west to Hwy. 1 Hwy. 1 south to Davenport (breaktime) Hwy. 1 south to Bonny Doon Rd. Bonny Doon Rd. east to Empire Grade Rd. Empire Grade Rd. south to Felton Empire Rd. Felton Empire Rd. to Hwy. 9 Hwy 9 east back through the mtns, through Saratoga and to Los Gatos Blvd. City streets back to my house. To say that the ride was fun understates the experience considerably. I had a blast! And I put as many winding, curving, hilly roads between the start and the end of the ride as possible. The ride lasted five hours total ride time. My only complaints were the stock windscreen (which I've since re- replaced with the tall Hondaline that came with the bike when I got it) and the saddle. OUCH! The $500 for the Corbin suddenly sounds like a bargain... I think the only thing that would have made the ride more enjoyable would've been to have some like-minded folks along for the ride. I've a friend (actually the chap I bought the PC from) who rides a BMW K1200LT, but other than that, not much going on in terms of a Bay Area PC rider entity. :) Anyhow, nice trip, wonderful weather, friendly riders along the road (everyone waved) and a sore butt to remind me of the miles. Not a bad way to end the year. Cheers, Randy -- Randy Hall (randy.hall@intel.com) Technical Marketing Engineer, Corporate Demos Group Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, California, USA Phone: (408) 765-6322; Cell/Pager: (408) 839-6937 PCS Messaging: 4088396937@messaging.cellone-sf.com ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED ARE MINE MINE MINE! on the bike. OH MY GOD, MY ASS! Oooooh, feel the burn...
 
The course (which will only really be recognizable to those who have done some riding in the Santa Cruz mountians):
 
Starting in San Jose:
Almaden Expressway south to Old Almaden Rd.
Old Almaden Rd. south to Hicks Rd.
Hicks Rd. north to Shannon Rd.
Shannon Rd. west to Los Gatos Blvd.
Los Gatos Blvd. south to Hwy. 9
Hwy. 9 west to Hwy. 35
Hwy. 35 north to Hwy. 84 (Alices Restaurant/Boulevard Grill) - breaktime
Hwy. 84 west to Hwy. 1
Hwy. 1 south to Davenport (breaktime)
Hwy. 1 south to Bonny Doon Rd.
Bonny Doon Rd. east to Empire Grade Rd.
Empire Grade Rd. south to Felton Empire Rd.
Felton Empire Rd. to Hwy. 9
Hwy 9 east back through the mtns, through Saratoga and to Los Gatos Blvd.
City streets back to my house.
 
To say that the ride was fun understates the experience considerably. I had a blast! And I put as many winding, curving, hilly roads between the start and the end of the ride as possible. The ride lasted five hours total ride time. My only complaints were the stock windscreen (which I've since re- replaced with the tall Hondaline that came with the bike when I got it) and the saddle. OUCH! The $500 for the Corbin suddenly sounds like a bargain...
 
I think the only thing that would have made the ride more enjoyable would've been to have some like-minded folks along for the ride. I've a friend (actually the chap I bought the PC from) who rides a <sniff> BMW K1200LT, but other than that, not much going on in terms of a Bay Area PC rider entity. :)
 
Anyhow, nice trip, wonderful weather, friendly riders along the road (everyone waved) and a sore butt to remind me of the miles. Not a bad way to end the year.
 
Cheers,
 
Randy
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Phone: (408) 765-6322; Cell/Pager: (408) 839-6937
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-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Importance: Normal ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: On Scooters and Retracting Penises To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Gregory Pius" Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 13:45:30 -0500 01/02/2001 01:45:35 PM I had a '95 Honda Helix (and still do, pending its sale)--Honda's mainstay "Super-Scoot" until the February release of the Foresight--for about 6 months before getting my PC. I really enjoyed it quite alot--being that it was the very first two-wheeled street vehicle I'd ever owned, it was a magnificent trainer. It taught me how to ride in traffic (especially South Florida traffic) without getting killed. But it didn't have the power or top speed I was looking for, so I purchased a PC to replace it. In any case, the VIN plate on the thing quite clearly reads "Motorcycle", and so does my registration. As far as whether the Helix and other Super-Scoots are concerned, I live within the confines of a homeowners' association that frowns very heavily on motorcycles to the point of banning them altogether. Since I could technically call the Helix a "scooter", I was able to get away with sneaking it onto my back porch. However, I can't do that with the PC because it's twice the size. I'm just waiting for the first letter from the Homeowners' Association Board saying "Get it off the property or get out." I'll sic the AMA on them. Meanwhile. I do have a very functional penis and my wife doesn't give a % @$#*! what kind of two-wheeled vehicle I buy. She loves them. :-) Gregory (Your Friendly Neighborhood Sysadmin) <.sig> Gregory Pius, System Administrator IBM Advanced Technologies, Ft. Lauderdale, Florida piusg@us.ibm.com Tie Line 599-6940 - Voice (954)-958-6940 - Mobile (954)-658-2566 AOL Instant Messenger: GWPius Well, that would of course | be if there penis's hadn't retratced into vaginas since most of their wives | won't let them own a bike anymore....waaaaahh. | | Oh well, there you have it! Hope you enjoyed my little tizzy! | Chris | Having initiated this discussion on scooters by bringing up Honda's new Reflex, I must say that I've enjoyed the subsequent dialogue on scooters vs. motorcycles, including Chris's "tizzy" above. My two cents: it doesn't matter in the least to me whether scooters are considered real motorcycles. What I care about is meeting my transportation and recreational needs on two-wheeled motorized transport. Scooters can be practical and fun, and when I buy one the last thing I'll have on my mind is what people will think about a grown man buzzing around on a scooter. And I suspect that many on this list feel the same way, since driving the Pacific Coast - not exactly a mainstream motorcycle - demonstrates a similarly independent mindset. Those who need a motorcycle to bolster their image do not drive Pacific Coasts OR scooters. Those who have enough self-confidence to ride what they want do not suffer from the withering phallus syndrome described by Chris above. : ) Cheers, Joel Kopp '95 Coaster (still laid up with front-end work) _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Importance: Normal ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Better to wait until spring to sell a PC8000 in Washington DC area? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Gregory Pius" Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:28:49 -0500 01/02/2001 02:28:52 PM I have a better idea: Keep the bike and sell the wife. Gregory (Your Embittered Neighborhood Sysadmin) <.sig> Gregory Pius, System Administrator IBM Advanced Technologies, Ft. Lauderdale, Florida piusg@us.ibm.com Tie Line 599-6940 - Voice (954)-958-6940 - Mobile (954)-658-2566 AOL Instant Messenger: GWPius --- My purchase of a PC8000 back in October has complicated my life a bit more than I had anticipated. Due to financial and personal (my wife's still not happy about it) reasons I am starting to think that I will have to sell my PC800. It's a difficult decision because this is the bike I have dreamed about owning for close to 10 years. I'm wondering if it would be better to wait until spring to try and sell it. I just want to break even and sell it for what I paid. Here are the specs: '96 with 3,922 original miles. It has a few small scratches on the panels below the passenger seat and a small area where the gas tank cover meets the seat that the paint had chipped off and was touched up by the original owner. I have added a nice set of custom trunk mats made by one of the list members :-) and have had the oil and rear drive oil changed. I want to sell it for the $3,800 that I paid for it and will be firm on this price. I don't plan to haggle at all. If anyone hears of someone looking to buy a PC800 in the Washignton, DC area please let me know. That's why I'm asking if it would be better to wait until spring... Any advice would be appreciated. Sayer ===== '96 PC800 "Discovery" Herndon, VA Sayer's music: http://mp3.com/sayer and http://mp3.com/dreamquest Sayer's studio site: http://members.aol.com/sayersweb/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: From: "Gregory Pius" Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:39:32 -0500 01/02/2001 02:39:33 PM Yikeys! Here in [normally] balmy South Florida, it was a nippy 55 degrees... but I dressed for th ecommute, having pulled out (and dusted off) my sweatsuit and made it my #1 layer. Gregory (Your Friendly Neighborhood Sysadmin) <.sig> Gregory Pius, System Administrator IBM Advanced Technologies, Ft. Lauderdale, Florida piusg@us.ibm.com Tie Line 599-6940 - Voice (954)-958-6940 - Mobile (954)-658-2566 AOL Instant Messenger: GWPius ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Harvey P. Sattin" >I have seen motorcycles out and about almost daily here in Boston. >With the wind chills below Zero, I can't conceive of doing that myself. On a motorcycle, we deal with subzero wind chills whenever the temperature gets below 40-50 deg. F. I always dress for wind chill, temperature tells me how many layers to put on underneath. I don't get cold until I turn off my electric vest and doff my riding gear. Never ridden below 10 deg. F, and today it was warmer - 16 deg.! Chris Norloff -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Tue, 02 Jan 2001 12:42:56 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Coverts" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Curling (Employment Opportunity) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 12:43:35 -0800 Chris, In your circumstances I agree sand is a good thing. In my tepid climate (at low elevations) most of the time we don't have much ice. So... Actually, I am able to ride most of the time when I want often in the high 30 to mid 40F range. I was just pouting about zelous sand application whether the conditions merit it or not. Then again I'd not want any black ice to go unsprinkled. I still find the image of a team of quick moving curling elves sweeping the road clear entertaining. Rick > > I take a different approach - sand on the road looks good to me because I know it has more traction than ice. > > Chris Norloff > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jeff Krause To: PC800 Subject: PC800: FW: Clutch parts available from Barnett Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 12:51:57 -0800 Here is Barnett's part numbers for 10% stiffer springs - and a warning about switching oils: Jeff Krause. -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: barnettclutches [mailto:barnettclutches@email.msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 11:49 AM To: Jeff Krause Subject: Re: Clutch Springs and/or disks for PC800 or Shadow 800 /1100 ? The part numbers listed below are what we offer for the PC800. Friction plates: #HPK-40K (Kevlar- 7 required) Steel plates: #HP-24-14 (6 required) Springs: #MT-50-5 These springs are about 10% stiffer than stock. They are not listed in our current 2000 catalog but will be added to the 2001 catalog. You can order these items from your local dealer/supplier or through one of the mail order companies that carry our products. In answer to your question about synthetic oils, our plates are made to work in all types of oil. Typically, clutches do not last quite as long in synthetic oil as opposed to petroleum based oil, but the benefits to the engine and tranny make the synthetic oil well worth it. PLEASE NOTE- the time to change oil types is when you install a new clutch. ** If you run synthetic oil in a clutch that has already been run in a petroleum based oil, there is a good chance that the clutch will slip. ** Also, if your steel plates are blue they should be replaced. Check them for flatness and the correct thickness (1.4mm each). Thank you for your interest in our products. Barnett http://www.barnettclutches.com/ ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jeff Krause To: 'barnettclutches@msn.com' Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 1:02 PM Subject: Clutch Springs and/or disks for PC800 or Shadow 800? I belong to a PC800 (Honda Pacific Coast) organization: http://www.ipcrc.org/ The PC 800 is extremely reliable (200,000+ miles easily) (No one in our organization has ever rebuilt one in any major way). Clutch slippage is the only real problem the bike has. The concensus of the group is that it has weak springs. However no one seems to make engine-related aftermarket components. The PC800 engine is similar to the Honda Shadow 800 or 1100 . Does Barnett make any clutch components for the PC800 or Shadow 800 /1100 ? Or other resources you know.... Any info greatly appreciated. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Tue, 02 Jan 2001 20:59:38 0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Hall, Randy" To: "PC800 Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: PC800: NorCal Winter Trip Report Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 12:59:27 -0800 Oh! Another interesting piece of trip report info was the gas mileage. I filled up right after the road trip described below. 153.7 miles 2.779 gallons ~55.3 MPG!! I was thrilled to see that a day of riding in the hills didn't empty the tank; in fact, I could've kept going for at least another 50 miles! Not that my butt would've allowed it... Lovin' the PC! --Randy -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Hall, Randy [mailto:randy.hall@intel.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 10:14 AM To: PC800 Mailing List (E-mail) Subject: PC800: NorCal Winter Trip Report Greetings! I've been on holiday for the past two weeks, and boy has the PC mailing list been backing up my Inbox!! Anyhow, I wanted to fill people in on a couple of things that have transpired during my time off. First of all, PC SIGHTING southbound on Leigh Avenue just north of Dry Creek Road in San Jose on December 15. This was just before the stroke of darkness. I managed to get a wave to the rider before realizing the model of the bike, but then I was a quarter mile away and headed home anyhow... Next, the "Wondrous Winter Weather of Northern California". The last week has been especially wonderful with highs in the low 70's!! I got my first really good ride in since I bought my PC on December 29. Nice and empty, considering it was Friday. By the end of the day, I had put 153 miles of curvy, hilly country roads on the bike. OH MY GOD, MY ASS! Oooooh, feel the burn... The course (which will only really be recognizable to those who have done some riding in the Santa Cruz mountians): Starting in San Jose: Almaden Expressway south to Old Almaden Rd. Old Almaden Rd. south to Hicks Rd. Hicks Rd. north to Shannon Rd. Shannon Rd. west to Los Gatos Blvd. Los Gatos Blvd. south to Hwy. 9 Hwy. 9 west to Hwy. 35 Hwy. 35 north to Hwy. 84 (Alices Restaurant/Boulevard Grill) - breaktime Hwy. 84 west to Hwy. 1 Hwy. 1 south to Davenport (breaktime) Hwy. 1 south to Bonny Doon Rd. Bonny Doon Rd. east to Empire Grade Rd. Empire Grade Rd. south to Felton Empire Rd. Felton Empire Rd. to Hwy. 9 Hwy 9 east back through the mtns, through Saratoga and to Los Gatos Blvd. City streets back to my house. To say that the ride was fun understates the experience considerably. I had a blast! And I put as many winding, curving, hilly roads between the start and the end of the ride as possible. The ride lasted five hours total ride time. My only complaints were the stock windscreen (which I've since re- replaced with the tall Hondaline that came with the bike when I got it) and the saddle. OUCH! The $500 for the Corbin suddenly sounds like a bargain... I think the only thing that would have made the ride more enjoyable would've been to have some like-minded folks along for the ride. I've a friend (actually the chap I bought the PC from) who rides a BMW K1200LT, but other than that, not much going on in terms of a Bay Area PC rider entity. :) Anyhow, nice trip, wonderful weather, friendly riders along the road (everyone waved) and a sore butt to remind me of the miles. Not a bad way to end the year. Cheers, Randy -- Randy Hall (randy.hall@intel.com) Technical Marketing Engineer, Corporate Demos Group Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, California, USA Phone: (408) 765-6322; Cell/Pager: (408) 839-6937 PCS Messaging: 4088396937@messaging.cellone-sf.com ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED ARE MINE MINE MINE! country roads on the bike. OH MY GOD, MY ASS! Oooooh, feel the burn...
 
The course (which will only really be recognizable to those who have done some riding in the Santa Cruz mountians):
 
Starting in San Jose:
Almaden Expressway south to Old Almaden Rd.
Old Almaden Rd. south to Hicks Rd.
Hicks Rd. north to Shannon Rd.
Shannon Rd. west to Los Gatos Blvd.
Los Gatos Blvd. south to Hwy. 9
Hwy. 9 west to Hwy. 35
Hwy. 35 north to Hwy. 84 (Alices Restaurant/Boulevard Grill) - breaktime
Hwy. 84 west to Hwy. 1
Hwy. 1 south to Davenport (breaktime)
Hwy. 1 south to Bonny Doon Rd.
Bonny Doon Rd. east to Empire Grade Rd.
Empire Grade Rd. south to Felton Empire Rd.
Felton Empire Rd. to Hwy. 9
Hwy 9 east back through the mtns, through Saratoga and to Los Gatos Blvd.
City streets back to my house.
 
To say that the ride was fun understates the experience considerably. I had a blast! And I put as many winding, curving, hilly roads between the start and the end of the ride as possible. The ride lasted five hours total ride time. My only complaints were the stock windscreen (which I've since re- replaced with the tall Hondaline that came with the bike when I got it) and the saddle. OUCH! The $500 for the Corbin suddenly sounds like a bargain...
 
I think the only thing that would have made the ride more enjoyable would've been to have some like-minded folks along for the ride. I've a friend (actually the chap I bought the PC from) who rides a <sniff> BMW K1200LT, but other than that, not much going on in terms of a Bay Area PC rider entity. :)
 
Anyhow, nice trip, wonderful weather, friendly riders along the road (everyone waved) and a sore butt to remind me of the miles. Not a bad way to end the year.
 
Cheers,
 
Randy
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Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, California, USA
Phone: (408) 765-6322; Cell/Pager: (408) 839-6937
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-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Revill Dunn" Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:05:34 -0600 "RE: PC800: NorCal Winter Trip Report" (Jan 2, 12:59pm) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "Hall, Randy" Subject: Re: PC800: NorCal Winter Trip Report That's two messages today from Randy Hall with no message! Just a couple of unopenable attachments. Is this Zen email? (What is the sound of one mouth flapping?) Revill Rider of Whirby -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Tue, 02 Jan 2001 21:20:37 0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Hall, Randy" To: PC800 Subject: RE: PC800: Honda Reflex Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 13:20:32 -0800 Damn! If it had footpegs, it'd look more like a M/C than a scooter. The lines continue to blur... :) Cheers, Randy -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Emile Nossin [mailto:Emile@Piloot.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 5:34 PM To: PC800 Subject: RE: PC800: Honda Reflex http://www.motomag.com/essais/yamaha/tma05.htm French review with some nice Tmax pictures linked in the bottom of the page.. Emile ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dsinofsky@aol.com If I only had the Tmax.....! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 13:43:48 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Macy Subject: Re: PC800: Better to wait until spring to sell a PC8000 in Washington DC area? To: List PC800 --- HondaPC800Rider@aol.com wrote: > > To you married guys that have been in this position, am I going > overboard here? Nope. I rode for a long time before Nan even considered riding with me. She never wanted to with the cruisers that I owned. About a year after I got the Stealth we (my sons-both of whom ride) and I were sitting on our bikes in the driveway and they basically badgered her to get on the back. She was terrified for the first five miles. When I finally suggested going home she said "Well, maybe we can just go for a few more minutes." Now I can't get her off the back! But I was fortunate. Nan was the one who *insisted* that I buy a motorcycle after my first open heart surgery in 1985. She said life was too short to let it go by without doing the things that I loved. I'm not going to get on the "What's more important--riding or the relationship" bandwagon. My relationship with my wife is FAR more important than my love of riding. I'm just fortunate that Nan also loves to ride and understands my passion. But, speaking realistically, I'd wait until spring to sell the bike. People who buy bikes in the wintertime are looking for bargains. Nice Weather = More Buyers & More Money. Besides...maybe she'll change her mind by then! ===== Tim "Scuffy" Macy, Newberg,OR Stealthmobile - '94 Honda PC800 (121K) STealthmobile II - '99 Honda ST1100 ABS-II (18K) AMA #492485, HRCA #239441, HSTA #6030, RCMC, STOC #1571 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Revill Dunn" Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:57:10 -0600 "Re: PC800: Better to wait until spring to sell a PC8000 in Washington DC area?" (Jan 2, 1:43pm) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, Tim Macy Subject: Re: PC800: Better to wait until spring to sell a PC8000 in Washington DC area? --- HondaPC800Rider@aol.com wrote: > > To you married guys that have been in this position, am I going > overboard here? You went overboard when you married her! Tell her that the PC is really a Marital Floatation Device, and it's the best interest of both of you that your relationship be protected by having a MFD available when you need it. Personally, I've not been so lucky as to have a spouse that actually likes to ride. Last time I conned Sara into a ride, she moaned and complained the whole time. ("I am not having fun. This is not fun. I'm cold, and my hair is blowing. This is not fun. Why do you think this is fun? Can we go home now?") The only answer that she'll accept is that I'm crazy. Possibly true. How would I know? Bwahhhh Haaa Haaa..... But as far as being "allowed" to own a scoot, that's not come up. I don't "allow" her things either. We save allowing for the kids, I guess. What would you get around on if you didn't have the PC? Something a bit more expensive, I'd guess. Get rid of it instead! 2 cents expended. Revill Rider of Whirby -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:36:22 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ben Crisologo" To: bcrisologo@hotmail.com, fsl@borgconsulting.com, tourrider@hotmail.com Cc: markie800@netzero.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: It's about forking time - Sway Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 22:36:22 I finally got the front and rear shocks from Works Peformance. I will have it installed this Thursday. I noticed that the front springs came with three washers. I understand that the shorter one is for touring, the middle is touring/sports, and the longer one is for a stiffer sports ride. Any idea how "soft" is the touring one? I don't do a lot of hard cornering, but occassionally I go to the mountains to work out the curves. So, any comments on the short or middle adjustments and the ride that goes with it? The longer one is out of the question for me. Thanks for your input. Ben Crisologo PC 95 >From: "Ben Crisologo" >To: fsl@borgconsulting.com, tourrider@hotmail.com >CC: markie800@netzero.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Re: PC800: It's about forking time - Sway >Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:30:34 > >Thanks for this info. I have decided to change the front springs and rear >shock absorbers. I have a 95 PC which I just bought about 3 weeks ago, but >I find the suspension to be too soft. The bike doesn't feel stable >specially on the freeway, and I get the feeling like the bike wants to go >from under me. Anyway, I ordered the sets from Works Shocks. Will let you >know how I like it. I was told I will be getting a call back in 1-2 weeks. > >Ben > >>From: Francois Saint Laurent >>To: "Desmond Cockburn" >>CC: markie800@netzero.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu >>Subject: Re: PC800: It's about forking time >>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:14:30 -0500 >> >>At 1:37 AM -0600 12/12/00, Desmond Cockburn wrote: >>> >>>Mark, >>> >>>I'd like to know a bit more about the Progressive Springs for the >>>front end. How are they rated for stiffness ? or are these >>>replacements for the OEM springs but made by Progressive ? Any idea >>>what a dealer might charge to replace the springs ? >>> >>>Des, >> >>Hello Des. >> >>I'll take a stab at this as well, since I have replaced the >>suspension at both ends of my PC800. I replaced the front springs >>with a set from Works Performance, and am extremely pleased with the >>results. >> >>The stock springs have a spring rate of either 35 or 40 pounds, >>depending on the source of information. Progressive springs are >>45-65 pounds, where they are wound at 45 at the beginning and then >>progressively change over to a 65 pound spring rate. (It might be >>45-60, I don't remember exactly) >> >>I also looked at, and ended up buying, the Works Performance springs. >>Instead of using a progressive spring where the softer rate needs to >>be completely used up before the stiffer rate comes into play, the >>Works solution uses two separate springs in each fork tube, with a >>spacer and washer assembly allowing you to decide, at the time of >>installation, at which point you want the spring rate to switch over. >>The softer, shorter spring is a 45 pound spring rate and the longer >>spring has a 65 pound spring rate. >> >>Most dealers I spoke with said a spring change would run you 3 hours >>of labour. I found a shop that estimated only two hours, and their >>hourly rate was even less. >> >>An important consideration when changing the fork springs is the fork >>oil. I have always read that you should increase the viscosity to a >>slightly thicker oil to *improve* the dampening. When I spoke with >>the tech support folks at Works Performance when I ordered my front >>springs and rear shocks, they advised me to go the other way. They >>suggested that I go to a 7.5 weight oil, and use a synthetic product. >> >>Now, I can't compare to other solutions, but I can tell you that when >>I went from the stock 10 weight oil with stock springs with 22,000 >>miles on them to a set of new Works Springs with the 7.5 weight >>Synthetic fork oil, the difference was incredible. >> >>The biggest surprise of all was how I was able to greatly reduce the >>amount of front end dive by changing the rear shocks. Yup, that's >>not a typo... I guess the Works rear shocks do a better job of >>holding the rear end down than the stock shocks do. The difference >>was very noticeable. >> >>When you order the Works shocks for the rear, you need to provide >>your weight, riding style, and average passenger weight, and they >>will custom build a set for you. >> >>Like I said, I am extremely happy with this set up. A few list >>members have driven my bike since these were installed, and they >>noticed the difference right away. The bike feels a lot tighter. >> >>Ride safe... >> >>fsl >> >>-- >>Visit the PC800 web page at >>To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >>message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >>To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dsinofsky@aol.com for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 18:16:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 18:16:28 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Wait 'till Spring (et al) To: I agree with Chuck's comments - ger her involved. When my wife began to show some reluctance to my penchant for motorcycling (i.e. shortly after we got married) I began to get her more involved. While I haven't been able to convince her to learn how to ride, I involve her in all my riding-related activities. And now that she's had a chance to meet many of the Listers, well, let's just say we're on our way up to Toronto this weekend with fellow lister Captaintupperware to meet the gang! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ronrus@webtv.net (Ron Russell) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 18:09:58 -0600 (CST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Wife vs PC No contest- Wife. But she knows I like to ride my bike. She has been willing to ride short distances but she gets very nervous if I go faster than 35, which seriously limits touring. LIfe has its choices, doesn't it? Ron -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Tue, 2 Jan 2001 16:12:07 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 18:12:07 -0600 Subject: PC800: Re: Milage From: Daryl Tschoepe To: PC800 Hmmm, Friendly Neighborhood Sysadmin? Honest politician... Greg, how's your clutch? If you speed shift from 4 to 5 (load the shifter by pulling up on it while in fourth, and just back off the throttle enough that the bike shifts), does your tach zoom up a few hundred RPMs before settling back down? If so, you might have been bitten by the clutch spring bug. Common, although an advanced case my have enough top gear slipping to contribute to the cruddy mileage. Mine are a little weak (they are on the list of things to fix - at last count I own 14 internal combustion engines in various shapes and sizes so it's a long list with continually shifting priorities) and I'm sure that's part of my inability to ever see much more than low 40's. High rpm shifting and high cruise speed also contributes, but 22 is extremely poor, even by my standards. Good luck, Daryl It's possible that on 1/2/01 8:18 AM, Gregory Pius at piusg@us.ibm.com hurled this into the void... > Hi gang! > > I'm the proud, new owner of a beautiful (well, they're _all_ beautiful, > aren't they?) '95 PC800. I positively love the motorcycle! However, I have > only one major beef: the poor thing only gets 22 MPG! > > I live in Ft. Lauderdale, on the east coast of Florida. I went to pick up > my new steed the day after Christmas at Proudfoot Motorcycle in Ft. Meyers > (plug) on the Gulf Coast. Those of you who know Florida know are no doubt > familiar with our famous "Alligtor Alley", which is the east-west > continuation of I-75 to Southeast Florida. > > Well, I almost didn't make it. By the time I had pulled into the > Miccosoukee Tribe's Shell station (about halfway across the Alley) my poor > PC was on fumes--and this is only a scant 100 miles after receiving a full > top-off at the dealership. > > My research had led me to believe that the PC is supposed to get somewhere > around a more respectable 50mpg, so what do you suppose could be wrong? The > bike sounds perfect and emits no smoke at all, and I always made sure that > the choke cable was fully off before taking to the street. > > I read in the archives about using lower octane gas (it got a full tank of > 93 octane), which I'll try--but I feel there might be something a bit more > sinister going on beneath all that plastic cladding. > > Help! > > Gregory (Your Friendly Neighborhood Sysadmin) > > <.sig> > Gregory Pius, System Administrator > IBM Advanced Technologies, Ft. Lauderdale, Florida > piusg@us.ibm.com > Tie Line 599-6940 - Voice (954)-958-6940 - Mobile (954)-658-2566 > AOL Instant Messenger: GWPius > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 00:13:06 0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Hall, Randy" To: "'Chuck Chiodini'" Cc: "PC800 Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: PC800: Chuck's Aux. Fuel Tank! Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 16:12:27 -0800 Chuck, thanks for the description! I've copied it to the list for posterity, and would still like to see pictures, if only to get a sense of what it looks like all together. Cheers, Randy -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Chuck Chiodini [mailto:chiodinc@ipa.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 2:56 PM To: Hall, Randy Subject: Re: PC800: Aborted 50cc report Randy: No pictures yet but I'll try to describe it for you: I bought a six gallon plastic outboard motor fuel tank at WalMart . I mount it by using two nylon straps running under my backrest and passenger grab rails to secure the tank to my passenger seat (weight is forward of the rear axle). I wouldn't put this kind of weight in a Givi box because its behind and way above the rear axle and may cause some serious handling problems. Fuel hose connection is by a "Quick connector" that every outboard Evenruide motor uses. I ran the fuel line between the driver's and passenger's seat and plumbed it into the existing fuel system using a fuel "T" fitting (Dennis Kirk catalog) between the PC's tank outlet and the fuel filter. This way, the aux. fuel is run through the PC's filter and electric pump. I placed a aux. fuel cutoff switch in the line but it is not required. The best part is that this is a gravity flow system, once I get the system primed using the primer bulb in the outboard motor fuel line, the fuel continues to flow to the filter. After the aux tank is completely dry, the PC's fuel tank starts flowing if by "magic". My fuel gauge doesn't start moving until this happens. Once I see my fuel gauge moving down the scale, I know that I now have an empty aux. tank and have "only" 4.2 gallons of fuel to go. I can also see the level of fuel in the aux. tank since mine is translucent red plastic. To fuel up, I do have to fill the PC tank and aux. tank seperately but it only adds a few minutes to each fuel stop. I store all the fuel hose just forward of the left trunk space when not in use and can hook up or remove the system in about 1 minute. I love having 10+ gallons of fuel for long trips! Only "negative" is the six gallons of gas sloshing around can cause the handling to change during sudden manuevers, just have to remeber that fact. I was concerned by the safety issue and feel good about it since the aux. tank is DOT approved for fuel storage and transport. I was concerned about the strength of the tank in the event of a crash. I filled the tank with water and dropped it off the back of the bike at 10/30/60 mph with no splitting of the tank (just some scratches where the pavement sanded it down), so I feel confident that in the event of a crash, I won't have an extra six gallons of gas flowing around. I will try to draw a scematic diagram of this system and post it soon. Hope this answers some of your questions, I'll be happy to fill in any details for you. Ride like your life depends on it! Chuck Chiodini -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 77df2db80a2bdce4d335ff4839618d42) for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 01:19:29 +0100 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Arvid_L=F8vik?= To: "PC 800 LIST" Subject: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 01:19:08 +0100 Who beats my 92 points ?? http://www.activebike.com/mcquide/mcquide.htm Regards Arvid L=F8vik ---------------------------------------------------- 89 PC 800 "SOS" PCRC # 2 90 GB 500 Clubman "Kitty" 82 GW 1100 Aspencade & HitchHiker sidecar "Goldie" GWRRA # 147178 96 Bushtec Turbo + 2 trailer My Home page is at: http://lovik.tripod.com .................................................. 800 "SOS"=20 PCRC # 2
90 GB 500 Clubman "Kitty"
82 GW 1100 Aspencade & = HitchHiker=20 sidecar "Goldie" GWRRA # 147178
96 Bushtec Turbo + 2 trailer
My = Home page=20 is at:
http://lovik.tripod.com
.........= ......................................... -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 00:22:24 0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Hall, Randy" To: "'Mike Trapp'" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: New subscriber Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 16:22:16 -0800 Howdy Mike, from a fellow Sillycon Valley PC-er! Cheers for now; who knows, perhaps we may end up forming a Bay Area PC riders guild... :) Randy -- Randy Hall (randy.hall@intel.com/randy_hall@earthling.net) '98 PC800: "The Amazing No-Name" ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED ARE MINE MINE MINE! -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Mike Trapp [mailto:mdtrapp@pacbell.net] Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 9:52 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: New subscriber Name: Mike Trapp Location: Santa Clara, CA (The center of Silicon Valley), E-mail: mdtrapp@pacbell.net PC Model Year: 1998 Purchased: semi-new from a dealer in Kentucky with only 1500mi (bought over the internet and then shipped to CA) When: Sept. 26, 2000 Modifications: None yet Mods Planned: trunk lights (bought), Clearview Shield (in transit), custom radio w/ext. speakers, Chatterbox, garagedoor opener, more when I think of them. Actually, ths is my second PC800. I orignialy had a '90 but sold it when my wife and I moved from a four car garage to a two car garage so, 2 outta 4 cars and the bike had to go. :( :( -- Until Next Time, /// Mike Trapp /@ @\ ( ) <<---oOOO--( )--OOOo--- Your Information Went Data Way ----->> (best view with a mono-spaced font) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 19:42:40 -0500 Subject: Re: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz To: alvik@chello.no Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: yankeesmuggler@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) alvik@chello.no writes: >Who beats my 92 points ?? >http://www.activebike.com/mcquide/mcquide.htm > >Regards > >Arvid L¯vik > > >---------------------------------------------------- >89 PC 800 "SOS" PCRC # 2 >90 GB 500 Clubman "Kitty" >82 GW 1100 Aspencade & HitchHiker sidecar "Goldie" GWRRA # 147178 >96 Bushtec Turbo + 2 trailer >My Home page is at: >http://lovik.tripod.com >.................................................. Only 85 for me Arvid. Must be all those "world" miles that give you the advantage:-) Tim Davies Seneca Falls, New York 13148 '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP Tue, 2 Jan 2001 16:52:28 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ralph Couey" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: PC Fuel Consumption Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 18:51:41 -0600 ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 8:43 AM Subject: PC800: PC Fuel Consumption > Gregory, > > I am not sure what the problem is with your bike. Suggestions: replace the > spark plugs, add a K & N air filter (Increases horsepower and mileage), check > tire pressure, make sure your brakes are not "locking up" while you are > driving and finally change the oil and filter for good measure. You might also try to unhook the piano you're towing...;-) How many gallons did it take when you filled up? That fuel guage is a real stinker until you readjust the float. When I first got my '95, the needle would be pegged at about 110 miles. Following the suggestion on the list (available through the archives) I adjusted the float valve to where the needle enters the red with 1 gallon remaining. Now I routinely go 150 miles per tankful. The other thing you should be aware of is that the PC becomes a real gas hog above 85 miles per hour. While not admitting to any violations of the law, it is usual to expect mileage to go from upper 40's to low 50's mpg at around 70 all the way down to the low 30's mpg between 85 and 90. Also, if it is cold where you are, the engine will not reach as high an operating temperature as it does in more moderate weather. And cold engines just don't burn fuel efficiently. Looking at my spreadsheet, I always see a drop of at least 5 mpg when operating during the "long dark tunnel" days of January and February. Or your bike just may be overdue for a tuneup and carb overhaul. Hope this helps. Ralph Couey Columbia, MO '95 PC800 "Seishin No Yomichi" "A life lived without risk is no life at all." -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BillandScoot@cs.com Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 19:58:14 EST Subject: Re: PC800: PC Fuel Consumption/Filters To: sgoldber@mc.cc.md.us, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Gang, According to the rep at the Dallas show The filter element (K&N) is part # HA-8089. Supposed to fit in original equipment housing. Bill Richardson 98PC"Scoot" San Antonio iPCRC #906 HRCA #001137 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:04:35 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 17:03:59 -0800 To: "Hall, Randy" , "PC800 Mailing List (E-mail)" From: Jim Alexander Subject: Re: PC800: NorCal Winter Trip Report Here is the first or today's messages from Randy Hill translated from the HTML text: At 10:14 AM 01/02/2001, Hall, Randy wrote: >Greetings! > >I've been on holiday for the past two weeks, and boy has the PC mailing >list been backing up my Inbox!! > >Anyhow, I wanted to fill people in on a couple of things that have >transpired during my time off. > >First of all, PC SIGHTING southbound on Leigh Avenue just north of Dry >Creek Road in San Jose on December 15. This was just before the stroke of >darkness. I managed to get a wave to the rider before realizing the model >of the bike, but then I was a quarter mile away and headed home anyhow... > >Next, the "Wondrous Winter Weather of Northern California". The last week >has been especially wonderful with highs in the low 70's!! I got my first >really good ride in since I bought my PC on December 29. Nice and empty, >considering it was Friday. By the end of the day, I had put 153 miles of >curvy, hilly country roads on the bike. OH MY GOD, MY ASS! Oooooh, feel >the burn... > >The course (which will only really be recognizable to those who have done >some riding in the Santa Cruz mountians): > >Starting in San Jose: >Almaden Expressway south to Old Almaden Rd. >Old Almaden Rd. south to Hicks Rd. >Hicks Rd. north to Shannon Rd. >Shannon Rd. west to Los Gatos Blvd. >Los Gatos Blvd. south to Hwy. 9 >Hwy. 9 west to Hwy. 35 >Hwy. 35 north to Hwy. 84 (Alices Restaurant/Boulevard Grill) - breaktime >Hwy. 84 west to Hwy. 1 >Hwy. 1 south to Davenport (breaktime) >Hwy. 1 south to Bonny Doon Rd. >Bonny Doon Rd. east to Empire Grade Rd. >Empire Grade Rd. south to Felton Empire Rd. >Felton Empire Rd. to Hwy. 9 >Hwy 9 east back through the mtns, through Saratoga and to Los Gatos Blvd. >City streets back to my house. > >To say that the ride was fun understates the experience considerably. I >had a blast! And I put as many winding, curving, hilly roads between the >start and the end of the ride as possible. The ride lasted five hours >total ride time. My only complaints were the stock windscreen (which I've >since re- replaced with the tall Hondaline that came with the bike when I >got it) and the saddle. OUCH! The $500 for the Corbin suddenly sounds like >a bargain... > >I think the only thing that would have made the ride more enjoyable >would've been to have some like-minded folks along for the ride. I've a >friend (actually the chap I bought the PC from) who rides a BMW >K1200LT, but other than that, not much going on in terms of a Bay Area PC >rider entity. :) > >Anyhow, nice trip, wonderful weather, friendly riders along the road >(everyone waved) and a sore butt to remind me of the miles. Not a bad way >to end the year. > >Cheers, > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Randy Ashurst" To: Subject: Re: PC800: PC Fuel Consumption/Filters Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:20:20 -0500 > Gang, > According to the rep at the Dallas show The filter element (K&N) is part # > HA-8089. Supposed to fit in original equipment housing. Yea it pops right in but don't forget to REMOVE the factory filter O'Ring before putting in the K&N! Randy in GA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:05:22 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 17:04:46 -0800 To: "Hall, Randy" , "PC800 Mailing List (E-mail)" From: Jim Alexander Subject: RE: PC800: NorCal Winter Trip Report Here is the second message from Randy Hill translated from HTML to text: At 12:59 PM 01/02/2001, Hall, Randy wrote: >Oh! Another interesting piece of trip report info was the gas mileage. I >filled up right after the road trip described below. > >153.7 miles >2.779 gallons >~55.3 MPG!! > >I was thrilled to see that a day of riding in the hills didn't empty the >tank; in fact, I could've kept going for at least another 50 miles! Not >that my butt would've allowed it... > >Lovin' the PC! > >--Randy -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:08:04 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ralph Couey" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Arvid_L=F8vik?= , "PC 800 LIST" Subject: Re: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 19:07:16 -0600 76 Ralph Couey Columbia, MO '95 PC800 "Seishin No Yomichi" "A life lived without risk is no life at all." ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Arvid L=F8vik=20 To: PC 800 LIST=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 6:19 PM Subject: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz=20 Who beats my 92 points ?? http://www.activebike.com/mcquide/mcquide.htm =20 Regards Arvid L=F8vik ---------------------------------------------------- 89 PC 800 "SOS" PCRC # 2 90 GB 500 Clubman "Kitty" 82 GW 1100 Aspencade & HitchHiker sidecar "Goldie" GWRRA # 147178 96 Bushtec Turbo + 2 trailer My Home page is at: http://lovik.tripod.com .................................................. 800=20 "SOS" PCRC # 2
90 GB 500 Clubman "Kitty"
82 GW 1100 Aspencade = &=20 HitchHiker sidecar "Goldie" GWRRA # 147178
96 Bushtec Turbo + 2=20 trailer
My Home page is at:
http://lovik.tripod.com
.........= ......................................... -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail9.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 02:22:49 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "markie800" To: "Sayer" , Subject: Re: PC800: Better to wait until spring to sell a PC8000 in Washington DC area? Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:19:54 -0600 First, a disclaimer: I'm single (actually divorced) When I was young and single I owned a motorcycle. Then I got married and sold the bike a short time later. That marriage ended some years later and I was single again. I got another motorcycle. Then I met a really nice lady who didn't think much of riding and thought we should trade the bike in on a boat so "everyone" could have fun. I kept the bike, she left. I'm single again but I still have the bike. I used to ride with my brother when we were young. We both had bikes. Then he got married and sold his bike. He is still married after 22 years but has no bike. I take him with me to the MC show in St. Louis every year. He would have better luck coming home riding one of the models than riding a bike. The moral here is to wait until spring. Prices are better and possession is 9/10s of the law. Mark G. ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Sayer" To: Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 3:22 PM Subject: PC800: Better to wait until spring to sell a PC8000 in Washington DC area? > My purchase of a PC8000 back in October has complicated my life a bit more than > I had anticipated. Due to financial and personal (my wife's still not happy > about it) reasons I am starting to think that I will have to sell my PC800. > It's a difficult decision because this is the bike I have dreamed about owning > for close to 10 years. > > I'm wondering if it would be better to wait until spring to try and sell it. I > just want to break even and sell it for what I paid. Here are the specs: > > '96 with 3,922 original miles. It has a few small scratches on the panels below > the passenger seat and a small area where the gas tank cover meets the seat > that the paint had chipped off and was touched up by the original owner. I have > added a nice set of custom trunk mats made by one of the list members :-) and > have had the oil and rear drive oil changed. I want to sell it for the $3,800 > that I paid for it and will be firm on this price. I don't plan to haggle at > all. > > If anyone hears of someone looking to buy a PC800 in the Washignton, DC area > please let me know. That's why I'm asking if it would be better to wait until > spring... Any advice would be appreciated. > > Sayer > > ===== > '96 PC800 "Discovery" > Herndon, VA > > Sayer's music: http://mp3.com/sayer and http://mp3.com/dreamquest > Sayer's studio site: http://members.aol.com/sayersweb/ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > Shop Safely Online Without a Credit Card http://www.rocketcash.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: sge2000@att.net by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with SMTP for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 02:33:05 +0000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) Subject: Re: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz (fwd) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 02:33:04 +0000 Interesting, Ralph. I also scored 76. Honest, I didn't copy! Thanks for posting this, Arvid. -- Steve Ewens Lee's Summit, MO iPCRC #1044 '89 PC800 ---------------------- Forwarded Message: --------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ralph Couey" To: Arvid Løvik , "PC 800 LIST" Subject: Re: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 19:07:16 -0600 76 Ralph Couey Columbia, MO '95 PC800 "Seishin No Yomichi" "A life lived without risk is no life at all." ----- Original Message ----- From: Arvid Løvik To: PC 800 LIST Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 6:19 PM Subject: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz Who beats my 92 points ?? http://www.activebike.com/mcquide/mcquide.htm Regards Arvid Løvik ---------------------------------------------------- 89 PC 800 "SOS" PCRC # 2 90 GB 500 Clubman "Kitty" 82 GW 1100 Aspencade & HitchHiker sidecar "Goldie" GWRRA # 147178 96 Bushtec Turbo + 2 trailer My Home page is at: http://lovik.tripod.com .................................................. 800=20 "SOS" PCRC # 2
90 GB 500 Clubman "Kitty"
82 GW 1100 Aspencade = &=20 HitchHiker sidecar "Goldie" GWRRA # 147178
96 Bushtec Turbo + 2=20 trailer
My Home page is at:
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.........= ......................................... Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail9.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 02:29:44 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "markie800" To: "Chuck Chiodini" , "Pacific Coast Owners" Subject: Re: PC800: Wait 'till Spring (et al) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:26:47 -0600 Chuck, as always, has offered some great, level-headed advice. Here is some more ;-0 Tell her that, since you would always be gone on your bike she would love you more. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. Point out your company life insurance benefits. Rich widows are always popular. Point out the many money-saving things that you could do to ease the cost of the bike - showering together, making getting dressed optional on weekend days (cuts down on laundry), the list is practically endless. Mark G. ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Chuck Chiodini" To: "Pacific Coast Owners" Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 6:53 AM Subject: Re: PC800: Wait 'till Spring (et al) > Listers: > Ralph makes some excellent points. I'm the last one on this earth to > give marital advice, but here goes one idea. Sign you AND her up for the > bext MSF course. If safety is a concern for her, the course should make her > feel better about lessening the risks involved. The added benefit of having > her take the course, is it would introduce her to motorcycling the "right > way", has no major investment/ cash outlay involved (they provide bikes and > equipment) and it just might be fun for her. Besides, you meet the nicest > folks on bikes. Perhaps she's worried you might change into a stereotyped > biker. > Another suggestion: Both of you attend a local chapter meeting of WOW, > (Women on Wheels), motorcycle club meeting. When she sees WOW in action, I > betcha her interest/understanding of motorcycling will become more positive. > > Good luck! > Chuck Chiodini in Heber Springs, Arkansas (snowed/iced in) > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > Shop Safely Online Without a Credit Card http://www.rocketcash.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail7.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 02:47:54 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "markie800" To: Cc: "PC800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: Back Home Again In Arnold Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:45:18 -0600 Fellow listers,=20 Since there isn't a lot of riding opportunities available now, I'm = going stir crazy. There seems to be a moderate amount of interest in the = Chicago MC show, Feb. 9 - 11 at the Rosemont Convention Center. I have a = room booked at the Rosemont Suites adjacent to the hall for Friday and = Saturday and will be arriving in Chicago sometime on the afternoon of = the 9th. Can any of the Chicago-area folks or those familiar with = Chicago suggest a dinner / meeting place for a Saturday night = get-together? I'm open for a Friday night gathering as well or a = Saturday morning breakfast. My guess (rough as it is) is that there may = be 10 - 20 of us attending the show and if we can find a place to eat, = drink and be merry that won't throw us out, it should be a fun time. I'd = like to see the gang from Starved Rock again. Let the suggestions = commence. Mark Gilb Arnold, Mo. =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ASKARDLIFE@aol.com=20 To: markie800@netzero.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 2:35 AM Subject: Re: PC800: Back Home Again In Arnold Glad to hear your back home! I believe you mentioned going to the = Chicago MC=20 show is that true? I have a handful of guys coming with me from the = great=20 white North! I would like to hook up with everyone sometime on = Saturday=20 evening for dinner and visiting.=20 What do ya think? Let me know... L*ter...=20 Todd Skar=20 "Poseidon"=20 89'PC 20k=20 Green Bay, WI=20 iPCRC#720=20 can=20 find a place to eat, drink and be merry that won't throw us out, it = should be a=20 fun time. I'd like to see the gang from Starved Rock again. Let the = suggestions=20 commence.
 
Mark Gilb
Arnold, Mo.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ASKARDLIFE@aol.com
To: markie800@netzero.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 = 2:35=20 AM
Subject: Re: PC800: Back Home = Again In=20 Arnold

Glad to hear your back home! I = believe you=20 mentioned going to the Chicago MC
show is that true? I have a = handful of=20 guys coming with me from the great
white North! I would like to = hook up=20 with everyone sometime on Saturday
evening for dinner and = visiting.=20
What do ya think? Let me know... L*ter...

Todd Skar =
"Poseidon"=20
89'PC 20k
Green Bay, WI
iPCRC#720=20 Shop Safely Online Without a Credit Card http://www.rocketcash.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:29:57 -0500 To: "Ben Crisologo" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: It's about forking time - Sway Cc: bcrisologo@hotmail.com, tourrider@hotmail.com, markie800@netzero.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 10:36 PM -0500 1/2/01, Ben Crisologo wrote: >I finally got the front and rear shocks from Works Peformance. I >will have it installed this Thursday. I noticed that the front >springs came with three washers. I understand that the shorter one >is for touring, the middle is touring/sports, and the longer one is >for a stiffer sports ride. Hi Ben. Just to clarify for me... I got one set of washers with my front springs, but with three pairs of steel tubing in three different lengths, called the 'crossover spacers'.. I'm assuming that is what you are talking about when you say the 'washers'. I remember wrestling with this decision in the summer. Do I go with the softer ride, or the tighter ride.... I ended up choosing the middle spacer for the sake of choice. If it was too soft, I could go harder, and vice versa. I have been extremely happy with the middle spacer, and the way the bike feels going over those little bumps, like tar strips, expansion joints, etc... Good luck with your decision... fsl :- ) *** Top 10 Reasons to Procrastinate *** 1. (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:25:18 -0500 To: BillandScoot@cs.com From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: PC Fuel Consumption/Filters Cc: sgoldber@mc.cc.md.us, pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 7:58 PM -0500 1/2/01, BillandScoot@cs.com wrote: >Gang, >According to the rep at the Dallas show The filter element (K&N) is part # >HA-8089. Supposed to fit in original equipment housing. > >Bill Richardson That is the right part number, and it does fit right in place, once you remove a rubber bead that is part of the lid of the air box. That kind of reminds me.. I need to clean and re-oil my K&N this spring. If anyone is going to one of the Cycle World shows, go to the display that has the Chatterbox radios, K&N filters, motorcycle trailers, etc... As part of the K&N display, they have an air filter hooked up to some contraption that shows air flow through the filter compared to the stock filter. Have a good look at the filter they use. Flip it over and you will see HA-8089..... they use the PC800 filter for their display. Ride safe. fsl *** Top 10 Reasons to Procrastinate *** 1. (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. <00b101c0752c$a17cdee0$56ee94ce@h74678> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:33:04 -0500 To: "markie800" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Wait 'till Spring (et al) Cc: "Chuck Chiodini" , "Pacific Coast Owners" At 8:26 PM -0600 1/2/01, markie800 wrote: > >Tell her that, since you would always be gone on your bike she would love >you more. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. > >Point out your company life insurance benefits. Rich widows are always >popular. > >Point out the many money-saving things that you could do to ease the cost of >the bike - showering together, making getting dressed optional on weekend >days (cuts down on laundry), the list is practically endless. > >Mark G. I don't get it Mark..... why are you still single? You seem to have an endless supply of wisdom.... he he he.. fsl :-) Ride safe.... *** Top 10 Reasons to Procrastinate *** 1. (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:46:57 -0500 To: Arvid =?iso-8859-1?Q?L=F8vik?= From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz Cc: "PC 800 LIST" At 1:19 AM +0100 1/3/01, Arvid L=F8vik wrote: >Who beats my 92 points ?? I scored 85...... but with the exchange rate between Canada and the=20 Euro I think I might have a higher score than you! fsl *** Top 10 Reasons to Procrastinate *** 1. (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) =46rancois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) At 1:19 AM +0100 1/3/01, Arvid L=F8vik wrote: ArialWho beats my 92 points ?? Arial I scored 85...... but with the exchange rate between Canada and the Euro I think I might have a higher score than you!=20 fsl =20 *** Top 10 Reasons to Procrastinate *** 1.=20 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) =46rancois Saint Laurent '95 PC800=20 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Tue, 02 Jan 2001 23:36:49 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Roy Cummings" To: "Pacific Coast Net" Subject: PC800: K&N Filter Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 23:36:47 -0500 Okay, since we're on the subject of K&N air filters, what are their advantages and disadvantages? TIA Roy Cummings '98 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaPC800Rider@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 00:49:06 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz To: alvik@chello.no, pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 1/2/2001 7:19:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, alvik@chello.n= o=20 writes: << =20 Who beats my 92 points ?? http://www.activebike.com/mcquide/mcquide.htm =20 Regards, =20 Arvid L=F8vik >> Oh well, only 88 for me... =20 McQuide was a loss, indeed... Be careful out there... Troy Doyle '97 PC800 "Gabrielle" and '01 Chrysler 300M Summerville, SC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "eddie" To: "PC800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 01:36:04 -0500 I got an 88. Would've score higher if I didn't work nights and do a lot of riding after dark...even on my "days" off. -eddie hall -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Russ Goff" To: "David Sigsbee" , "PC800 PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: removing alternator cover. Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 09:21:59 -0000 Hi, as a veteran of left crankcase cover removal I offer the following advice/comments: ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: David Sigsbee To: PC800 PC800 Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 3:59 PM Subject: PC800: removing alternator cover. > Day before yesterday I moved furniture from one end of our living room, > rolled an oriental rug up into a corner, put a large sheet of plywood on > the floor the hardwood floor, drove the motorcycle on a ramp up and over > the front porch steps and into the living room (having first removed the > mirrors in order to make it through the door), and put the motorcycle on > its center stand on the plywood. As you can see, my wife is a very > tolerant person. WOW! Can I come and live with you? :-} >Yesterday, I removed the plastic and am now ready to > replace the stator. Nearly. Have you removed the crashbar? > snip > > Now my question. aha. > Does the clutch slave cylinder have to be taken apart, > as the manual seems to indicate, to remove the alternator cover? Yes. >Can I simply instead, disconnect the hydraulic line and leave the slave > cylinder parts intact No, far more trouble, and not necessary. the slave cyl. is self contained, the fluid will not run out when you take out the three bolts. >(and then bleed everything after I put it back > together)? > From looking at the manual, the only problem I can see is > that one of the bolts for the stator cover is slightly behind a > projection of the slave cylinder casting, Correct >and I may have to remove it > with a box wrench instead of getting straight access to it with a socket > wrench. Not if you take the slave cylinder off first. Not a big job. Take off the slave cylinder. It wont leak fluid everywher if you tie it up out of the way. Remove the pushrod. Be VERY careful with the pushrod oil seal. My advice is to replace it. Mark the gear shifter shaft with the lever location BEFORE removal. When removing the cover you have to hit it with a soft hammer to break the seal, then pull hard against the magnet to get the cover off. Watch out for 2 idler cogs that may fall out. Very little oil will come out.Be very careful with the cover gasket. Mine came off 4 times before it leaked. best to replace it but silicon will be ok. When you put it back together, put the clutch pushrod in after the case has gone back on. Bleed the clutch after putting the cyl back on. HTH Russ bikes@f-goff.co.uk PCRC #777 HOC #17010 City & Guilds Motorcycle Mechanic Milton Keynes '89 Honda PC800 "Obelix" '90 LandRover Discovery LPG V8i -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 07:04:42 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Betty Lise Anderson Subject: Re: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz I got a 77. My big failings are starting late in life and the PC as a first bike. Betty Lise Anderson, Assoc. Prof. Department of Electrical Engineering, The Ohio State University 205 Dreese Laboratory, 2015 Neil Avenue Columbus, Ohio check out the cool zip code 43210 http://eewww.eng.ohio-state.edu/~anderson/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:34:16 -0500 (EST) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Poor Gas Mileage (was No Subject) "Gregory Pius" writes: > ...I went to pick up my new steed the day after Christmas at Proudfoot > Motorcycle in Ft. Meyers (plug) on the Gulf Coast.... > > Well, I almost didn't make it. By the time I had pulled into the > Miccosoukee Tribe's Shell station (about halfway across the Alley) > my poor PC was on fumes--and this is only a scant 100 miles after > receiving a full top-off at the dealership. Since you bought the bike from a dealer, you may have some hope for action from them to correct the problem. I have never heard of a PC delivering mileage this low. Although used vehicles are customarily sold "without warranty," I believe that buyers still have some rights, especially in the first 30 days, and you should start with the dealer. ====================================================================== Selden Deemer Atlanta, Georgia EMAIL: libssd@emory.edu ====================================================================== -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:42:58 -0500 (EST) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: PC Fuel Consumption Mike Trapp writes: > What K & N filter? Is it just a filter replacement or both the filter > and holder (like I have seen on some cars). Excuse me if this sounds > naive, I am the typical nerd (great with computers not-so good with >engines). on 1/2/01 6:43 AM, AJDOBBS@aol.com at AJDOBBS@aol.com wrote: > I am not sure what the problem is with your bike. Suggestions: replace > the spark plugs, add a K & N air filter (Increases horsepower and > mileage), check tire pressure, make sure your brakes are not "locking > up" while you are driving and finally change the oil and filter for > good measure. A K&N air filter isn't quite as useless as a set of Splitfire spark plugs, but benefits are greatly overstated by advertising. A *fresh* K&N air filter will deliver slightly better gas mileage, at the cost of less effective filtration. After a thousand miles or so, the filter loads up with particles, and gas mileage is about the same as with a stock pleated paper filter. Given other restrictions (airbox entrance, exhaust system) in the PC's engine system, a K&N delivers unnoticeable, if any, improvements to power. The only real plus to K&N is that they can be washed and re-oiled, so operating costs are slightly less than for Honda pleated paper filters. However, I would not use a K&N in a dusty environment. ====================================================================== Selden Deemer Atlanta, Georgia EMAIL: libssd@emory.edu ====================================================================== -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 06:19:51 -0800 (PST) From: Christoffer Carstanjen Subject: Re: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz To: PC 800 LIST --- Arvid_Løvik wrote: > Who beats my 92 points ?? > http://www.activebike.com/mcquide/mcquide.htm I only got an 80. My first bike was a 750cc - but never used it's full potential (thank goodness!) After trashing a few mountain bikes (pre suspension days) in my times,I'd eventually like to get into dirt bike riding. Racing school would be cool - but not on a PC800 Anyone take their PC800 out on a track? ===== Christoffer Carstanjen - 98PC800 Nebuchadnezzar AIM= christoffer67 - chat sometime? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 09:37:53 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Dave Steven Subject: Re: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz 90 points! Lots of which I credit to my HiViz Aerostitch suit and "Old age"! Lesson: When you get older you get smarter about how you prioritize your "accessory" money. Wings and bar ends are cute, but won't really help you in a "scrape". Save those till last. Dave cute, but won't really help you in a "scrape".
Save those till last.

Dave
Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Kenneth" To: "Randy Ashurst" Cc: "Pacific Coast mailing list" Subject: Re: PC800: PC Fuel Consumption/Filters Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 09:53:56 -0500 I just added a K&N filter. I did not see an o-ring. Where should I look to find it? Kenneth Winter East TN > > > > Gang, > > According to the rep at the Dallas show The filter element (K&N) is part # > > HA-8089. Supposed to fit in original equipment housing. > > Yea it pops right in but don't forget to REMOVE the factory filter O'Ring > before putting in the K&N! > > > Randy in GA > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Revill Dunn" Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:46:52 -0600 "Re: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz" (Jan 3, 9:37am) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz Not impressed. Big bias toward play riding and offroad. How 'bout a commuter quiz? When following a Surburban going 20 in a 55 zone, how much room do you need to get around it: A. None. >zip< Bye! B. One car length minimum C. Just like I was driving another Suburban Traffic is heavy, the light turns red. You should be: A. In your correct lane position, right on the bumper of the car in front. B. At least several car lengths behind, even if that makes you miss the light. C. A car length or two behind, and crowding the line a little so you're not exactly between the car behind you and the car in front of you. I got a 68 because I ride day, night and in between and don't suit up for it. I use a scoot for TRANSPORT. Revill Rider of Whirby -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "MTW" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Arvid_L=F8vik?= , "PC 800 LIST" Subject: Re: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 09:49:07 -0500 I got an 86, but I must protest! I would have done much better if I = kept all the bikes I owned, taught the MSF beginner course as I was = requested to do, and had the experiance been weighted differently (why = should it stop @ 10 years? what about the additional 26 years I've been = riding?). Not to mention that I know a few people who have owned and = ridden bikes for 20 years that don't have 8000 miles experiance! :-( Congrats Arvid. Sour Grapes ' 94 PC Columbus Ohio ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Arvid L=F8vik=20 To: PC 800 LIST=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 7:19 PM Subject: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz=20 Who beats my 92 points ?? http://www.activebike.com/mcquide/mcquide.htm Regards Arvid L=F8vik ---------------------------------------------------- 89 PC 800 "SOS" PCRC # 2 90 GB 500 Clubman "Kitty" 82 GW 1100 Aspencade & HitchHiker sidecar "Goldie" GWRRA # 147178 96 Bushtec Turbo + 2 trailer My Home page is at: http://lovik.tripod.com .................................................. 800=20 "SOS" PCRC # 2
90 GB 500 Clubman "Kitty"
82 GW 1100 Aspencade = &=20 HitchHiker sidecar "Goldie" GWRRA # 147178
96 Bushtec Turbo + 2=20 trailer
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.........= ......................................... -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "MTW" To: "Kenneth" , "Randy Ashurst" Cc: "Pacific Coast mailing list" Subject: Re: PC800: PC Fuel Consumption/Filters Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 09:51:01 -0500 I the top end? :-) Mike WHited ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Kenneth" To: "Randy Ashurst" Cc: "Pacific Coast mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 9:53 AM Subject: Re: PC800: PC Fuel Consumption/Filters > I just added a K&N filter. I did not see an o-ring. Where should I look > to find it? > > Kenneth Winter > East TN > > > > > > > > Gang, > > > According to the rep at the Dallas show The filter element (K&N) is part > # > > > HA-8089. Supposed to fit in original equipment housing. > > > > Yea it pops right in but don't forget to REMOVE the factory filter O'Ring > > before putting in the K&N! > > > > > > Randy in GA > > > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Pickett, Bruce D" To: "'PC800'" Subject: PC800: FW: Electroluminescent lighting products for vehicles Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:14:59 -0800 There were some discussions recently on the list about neon-like lighting products such as "Power Neon Cable" and "Californeon". I had been told that these products were not legal for use on vehicles except for show vehicles that aren't operated on the roadways. But rather than rely on hearsay, I asked the question of the Washington State Patrol. The legality of these devices probably differs from state to state, but in Washington State, they are not allowed. Here is the response that I just received from the WSP, and some links to the Codes they cited. Bruce Pickett Federal Way, WA '89 PC800 "Blue Pacific" -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: equipment@wsp.wa.gov Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 7:34 AM Subject: RE: Electroluminescent lighting products for vehicles This message is in response to your e-mail regarding neon like electroluminescent lighting products for vehicles. Revised Code of Washington (RCW) 46.37.320 does grant authority to the State Patrol to adopt standards and specifications for after-market vehicle lighting devices. Washington Administrative Code (WAC) 204-10-020, 204-72-030 and 204-90-140 prohibits the use of neon lighting devices. We have reviewed the information provided on the Web Site on the electroluminescent lighting and power neon cables to ascertain if they could be considered for approval. After careful review of the information we have concluded they would cause distraction to other motorists and do not comply to the standards and rules adopted by the State Patrol and will not be approved for use on motor vehicles in Washington State. ------------------------- Links to Washington Administrative Code and Revised Code of Washington: WAC 204-10-020 http://www.mrsc.org:8080/cgi-bin/om_isapi.dll?clientID=121365&hitsperheading=on&infobase=wac.nfo&jump=204-10-020&softpage=Document42#JUMPDEST_204-10-020 WAC 204-72-030 http://www.mrsc.org:8080/cgi-bin/om_isapi.dll?clientID=121365&hitsperheading=on&infobase=wac.nfo&jump=204-72-030&softpage=Document42#JUMPDEST_204-72-030 WAC 204-90-140 http://www.mrsc.org:8080/cgi-bin/om_isapi.dll?clientID=121365&hitsperheading=on&infobase=wac.nfo&jump=204-90-140&softpage=Document42#JUMPDEST_204-90-140 RCW 46.37.320 http://www.mrsc.org:8080/cgi-bin/om_isapi.dll?clientID=121368&infobase=rcw.nfo&jump=46.37.320&softpage=Document42#JUMPDEST_46.37.320 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: "'Pickett, Bruce D'" , "'PC800'" Subject: RE: PC800: FW: Electroluminescent lighting products for vehicles Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:29:13 -0500 Be careful with those big wordz there, fella. Under the pending new Presidency, my understanding is that words over three syllables will be barely tolerated, and over four will net you a steep fine! Electrolum...whatever, indeed! But thanks for the heads up. I think cautiously that they are a good idea on bikes, due to our chronic visibility problems vis a vis cagers, etc. But I find them annoying and distracting on cages. But I think that is the whole fashion point/statement of them, is it not? -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Pickett, Bruce D [mailto:Bruce.Pickett@PSS.Boeing.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 11:15 AM To: 'PC800' Subject: PC800: FW: Electroluminescent lighting products for vehicles There were some discussions recently on the list about neon-like lighting products such as "Power Neon Cable" and "Californeon". I had been told that these products were not legal for use on vehicles except for show vehicles that aren't operated on the roadways. But rather than rely on hearsay, I asked the question of the Washington State Patrol. The legality of these devices probably differs from state to state, but in Washington State, they are not allowed. Here is the response that I just received from the WSP, and some links to the Codes they cited. Bruce Pickett Federal Way, WA '89 PC800 "Blue Pacific" -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: equipment@wsp.wa.gov Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 7:34 AM Subject: RE: Electroluminescent lighting products for vehicles This message is in response to your e-mail regarding neon like electroluminescent lighting products for vehicles. Revised Code of Washington (RCW) 46.37.320 does grant authority to the State Patrol to adopt standards and specifications for after-market vehicle lighting devices. Washington Administrative Code (WAC) 204-10-020, 204-72-030 and 204-90-140 prohibits the use of neon lighting devices. We have reviewed the information provided on the Web Site on the electroluminescent lighting and power neon cables to ascertain if they could be considered for approval. After careful review of the information we have concluded they would cause distraction to other motorists and do not comply to the standards and rules adopted by the State Patrol and will not be approved for use on motor vehicles in Washington State. ------------------------- Links to Washington Administrative Code and Revised Code of Washington: WAC 204-10-020 http://www.mrsc.org:8080/cgi-bin/om_isapi.dll?clientID=121365&hitsperheading =on&infobase=wac.nfo&jump=204-10-020&softpage=Document42#JUMPDEST_204-10-020 WAC 204-72-030 http://www.mrsc.org:8080/cgi-bin/om_isapi.dll?clientID=121365&hitsperheading =on&infobase=wac.nfo&jump=204-72-030&softpage=Document42#JUMPDEST_204-72-030 WAC 204-90-140 http://www.mrsc.org:8080/cgi-bin/om_isapi.dll?clientID=121365&hitsperheading =on&infobase=wac.nfo&jump=204-90-140&softpage=Document42#JUMPDEST_204-90-140 RCW 46.37.320 http://www.mrsc.org:8080/cgi-bin/om_isapi.dll?clientID=121368&infobase=rcw.n fo&jump=46.37.320&softpage=Document42#JUMPDEST_46.37.320 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 11:36:39 -0500 Subject: Re(2): PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz To: captaintupperware@yahoo.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: yankeesmuggler@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) captaintupperware@yahoo.com writes: >Anyone take their PC800 out on a track? > >===== >Christoffer Carstanjen - 98PC800 Nebuchadnezzar >AIM= christoffer67 - chat sometime? I took mine on the Watkins Glen Grand Prix track for a lap during the Toys for Tots run in July of 1999, does that count. I only got passed by one Gold Winger riding two up with a trailer:-) Tim Davies Seneca Falls, New York 13148 '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 16:40:15 0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Hall, Randy" To: "PC800 Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: PC800: NorCal Winter Trip Report Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:40:07 -0800 Apologies to everyone regarding the cryptic messages. I've renewed my vow to use only plain text when posting to the mailing list! cheers, Randy -- Randy Hall (randy.hall@intel.com/randy_hall@earthling.net) '98 PC800: "The Amazing No-Name" ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED ARE MINE MINE MINE! -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Alexander [mailto:jamesalexander@compuserve.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 5:05 PM To: Hall, Randy; PC800 Mailing List (E-mail) Subject: RE: PC800: NorCal Winter Trip Report Here is the second message from Randy Hill translated from HTML to text: At 12:59 PM 01/02/2001, Hall, Randy wrote: >Oh! Another interesting piece of trip report info was the gas mileage. I >filled up right after the road trip described below. > >153.7 miles >2.779 gallons >~55.3 MPG!! > >I was thrilled to see that a day of riding in the hills didn't empty the >tank; in fact, I could've kept going for at least another 50 miles! Not >that my butt would've allowed it... > >Lovin' the PC! > >--Randy -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vK.4.02.00.10 201-232-116-110 license 1dc0b39e31881b14e43eebad2dae5270) Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:28:18 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve Wilson" To: "Kenneth" Cc: "Pacific Coast mailing list" Subject: Re: PC800: PC Fuel Consumption/Filters Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:12:20 -0600 Kenneth, It has been a while but I think there are 2 o-rings. One in the rim of the lid to the filter housing and one in the rim of the base of the housing. We are not talking about an o-ring that would fit your pinky finger, we are talking about one that would probably fit over your head. The edge of the factory filter is hard plastic and the K&N is a soft silicone type rubber so it seals without the o-rings. Steve Wilson Ruston LA. ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Kenneth" > I just added a K&N filter. I did not see an o-ring. Where should I look > to find it? > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "eddie" To: "PC800 List" Subject: PC800: O-ring Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:48:55 -0500 I installed my K&N filter without removing anything but the old filter. The airbox cover bolted right back on with no problems. -eddie "...and the road goes on forever." - Gregg Allman, "Midnight Rider" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:02:11 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz 82. Yeah, they kind of missed the point that motorcycles can be used for daily transport. How do I view motorcycling? As a way to get to work - faster, more fun, and less expensive than the alternatives. Something enjoyable you can do while you're doing something else (commuting to work). sigh. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Revill Dunn" Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:46:52 -0600 >Not impressed. Big bias toward play riding and offroad. How 'bout a commuter >quiz? > >When following a Surburban going 20 in a 55 zone, how much room do you need to >get around it: > A. None. >zip< Bye! > B. One car length minimum > C. Just like I was driving another Suburban > >Traffic is heavy, the light turns red. You should be: > A. In your correct lane position, right on the bumper of the car >in front. > B. At least several car lengths behind, even if that makes you >miss the light. > C. A car length or two behind, and crowding the line a little so > you're not exactly between the car behind you >and the car in front of you. > >I got a 68 because I ride day, night and in between and don't suit up for it. > I use a scoot for TRANSPORT. > >Revill >Rider of Whirby >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:20:28 0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Hall, Randy" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:10:18 -0800 Uh, I scored a 65. Of course, I've only been at this for 6 months, so I think I'm doing pretty well for that amount of riding... Always room to = do better though. Cheers, Randy -- Randy Hall (randy.hall@intel.com/randy_hall@earthling.net) '98 PC800: "The Amazing No-Name" ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED ARE MINE MINE MINE!=20 -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaPC800Rider@aol.com [mailto:HondaPC800Rider@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 9:49 PM To: alvik@chello.no; pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz=20 In a message dated 1/2/2001 7:19:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, alvik@chello.no=20 writes: << =20 Who beats my 92 points ?? http://www.activebike.com/mcquide/mcquide.htm =20 Regards, =20 Arvid L=F8vik >> Oh well, only 88 for me... =20 McQuide was a loss, indeed... Be careful out there... Troy Doyle '97 PC800 "Gabrielle" and '01 Chrysler 300M Summerville, SC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: "'MTW'" , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Arvid_L=F8vik?= , PC 800 LIST Subject: RE: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:23:21 -0500 Nobody, allright? NOBODY BEAT YOUR DARN 92 POINTS!!!!!! I got 87, but so what, kind of? Some of the questions are not acurately answerable due to inclusions or exclusions. Mostly, I think it's just to give us some insights into our relative safety levels, and spur us to learn more and modify our behavior appropriately. I would guess that many late comers are much better and/or safer riders than some of those who learned early on off-road bikes from learned elders, but who take chances well outside of their abilities envelopes. Mainly, ride aware, dress for safety and visibility, maintain your bike for reliability, and keep your skills current and improving. Snow's melted out here, and most of the salt has been brushed off the road. I do believe I'll be riding this week. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:23:27 0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Hall, Randy" To: "'PC800'" Subject: RE: PC800: FW: Electroluminescent lighting products for vehicles Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:23:19 -0800 Yes, there seems to be a fine line between being conspicuious to the cagers and being distracting (i.e. drivers are unable to see other things at night because your bike causes so much light pollution). The former is good, the latter is *bad*. My opinion (which does not constitute any sort of legal advice or permission -- gotta cover my own assets, ya know) is that moderation would not attract unwanted attention from law enforcement. A modest amount of this neon trim stuff probably wouldn't get you a ticket. Naturally, "modest" is ambiguous enough that YMMV. However, dressing a PC up in 20 feet of the stuff would mark you as an easy nighttime target for a cop. Cheers, Randy -- Randy Hall (randy.hall@intel.com/randy_hall@earthling.net) '98 PC800: "The Amazing No-Name" ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED ARE MINE MINE MINE! -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Goldberg, Saul [mailto:sgoldber@mc.cc.md.us] Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 8:29 AM To: 'Pickett, Bruce D'; 'PC800' Subject: RE: PC800: FW: Electroluminescent lighting products for vehicles Be careful with those big wordz there, fella. Under the pending new Presidency, my understanding is that words over three syllables will be barely tolerated, and over four will net you a steep fine! Electrolum...whatever, indeed! But thanks for the heads up. I think cautiously that they are a good idea on bikes, due to our chronic visibility problems vis a vis cagers, etc. But I find them annoying and distracting on cages. But I think that is the whole fashion point/statement of them, is it not? -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Pickett, Bruce D [mailto:Bruce.Pickett@PSS.Boeing.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 11:15 AM To: 'PC800' Subject: PC800: FW: Electroluminescent lighting products for vehicles There were some discussions recently on the list about neon-like lighting products such as "Power Neon Cable" and "Californeon". I had been told that these products were not legal for use on vehicles except for show vehicles that aren't operated on the roadways. But rather than rely on hearsay, I asked the question of the Washington State Patrol. The legality of these devices probably differs from state to state, but in Washington State, they are not allowed. Here is the response that I just received from the WSP, and some links to the Codes they cited. Bruce Pickett Federal Way, WA '89 PC800 "Blue Pacific" -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: equipment@wsp.wa.gov Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 7:34 AM Subject: RE: Electroluminescent lighting products for vehicles This message is in response to your e-mail regarding neon like electroluminescent lighting products for vehicles. Revised Code of Washington (RCW) 46.37.320 does grant authority to the State Patrol to adopt standards and specifications for after-market vehicle lighting devices. Washington Administrative Code (WAC) 204-10-020, 204-72-030 and 204-90-140 prohibits the use of neon lighting devices. We have reviewed the information provided on the Web Site on the electroluminescent lighting and power neon cables to ascertain if they could be considered for approval. After careful review of the information we have concluded they would cause distraction to other motorists and do not comply to the standards and rules adopted by the State Patrol and will not be approved for use on motor vehicles in Washington State. ------------------------- Links to Washington Administrative Code and Revised Code of Washington: WAC 204-10-020 http://www.mrsc.org:8080/cgi-bin/om_isapi.dll?clientID=121365&hitsperheading =on&infobase=wac.nfo&jump=204-10-020&softpage=Document42#JUMPDEST_204-10-020 WAC 204-72-030 http://www.mrsc.org:8080/cgi-bin/om_isapi.dll?clientID=121365&hitsperheading =on&infobase=wac.nfo&jump=204-72-030&softpage=Document42#JUMPDEST_204-72-030 WAC 204-90-140 http://www.mrsc.org:8080/cgi-bin/om_isapi.dll?clientID=121365&hitsperheading =on&infobase=wac.nfo&jump=204-90-140&softpage=Document42#JUMPDEST_204-90-140 RCW 46.37.320 http://www.mrsc.org:8080/cgi-bin/om_isapi.dll?clientID=121368&infobase=rcw.n fo&jump=46.37.320&softpage=Document42#JUMPDEST_46.37.320 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 09:38:08 -0900 From: "Juan A. Goula" To: PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz PC800 Rider wrote: > > captaintupperware@yahoo.com writes: > >Anyone take their PC800 out on a track? Ummm... that would be a qualified yes. The local Racing Lions club sets up a race course on an abandoned airforce landing strip. I did not participate in the (timed) race, but did get a chance to run the PC at speed during the "endurance" portion of the track. Everyone keeps going around doing laps for an undisclosed amount of time. The first one through the finish line at that point wins the pot. You don't have to go fast, but even guys on Harleys like to see the shower of sparks they get :-) Tooting my own horn, I'll say that the only rider on a non-sport bike that passed me was a rider aboard a BMW R1100GS. Someone was videotaping the whole thing, and later showed it to to all of us. It still brings a smile to my face when I remember one person standing by the camera saying: "What kind of bike is that? Holy s**t, it's the Pacific Coast! He's hauling a**!" :-) Oh, BTW, my score was a 96. Happy New Year everyone! -- Juan Antonio Goula School of Fisheries and Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks Fairbanks, Alaska (907)474-5520 Lat.: 64.85°N, Long.: 147.72°W ------------------------------------------------- Second star on the right, then straight on 'til morning... * * * * * * * * -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Importance: Normal ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: PC800: #^@%&* gas mileage To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Gregory Pius" Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:56:25 -0500 01/03/2001 01:56:25 PM I would like to thank all of the posters who were gracious with their advice regarding my totally %$#&@*! gas mileage. The problem was (and, at this point, continues to be) the fuel gauge. I rode into my local filling station "on fumes"--at least according to the gauge--and the bike only took two gallons. :-P When I get adventuresome enough to go "under the tupperware", as we call it, I'll rectify the problem with the solution I was directed to in the archives. Thank you all for your help. Cheers! Gregory (Your Friendly Neighborhood Sysadmin) '95 PC800 "The Jolly Roger" <.sig> Gregory Pius, System Administrator IBM Advanced Technologies, Ft. Lauderdale, Florida piusg@us.ibm.com Tie Line 599-6940 - Voice (954)-958-6940 - Mobile (954)-658-2566 AOL Instant Messenger: GWPius -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:36:40 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "tteulon" To: "Pc800@Hpc. Uh. Edu \(E-mail\)" Cc: "'eddie'" Subject: RE: PC800: O-ring Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:43:00 -0600 Importance: Normal Hi all, I'm not sure what damage could be caused, however, it may over compress the sealing rubber on the filter or perhaps not fit in the groove correctly upon reinstallation of the top causing a poor seal. I removed both o-rings when I replaced the old filter assuming that there was a valid reason for providing instructions to do so. I am aware that many of us ignore instructions. Our local Honda dealer is one of them. When I inquired about balancing my wheels after replacing the tires, his comment was that it wasn't really neccessary and that they don't bother. I did the tire change myself and in balancing found that I needed less weight at a different point on the rim for one wheel, and more weight at a different point on the other. Did it make any difference? Probably not noticable at the speed that I drive, but it makes you wonder how they treat other things like correct torque on axle bolts. I went in again recently to get replacement coolant and a new sealing washer for the drain plug. They had the coolant, but did not have the sealing washer. Their response... ah you don't need to replace that washer, we just turn them around and they never leak. To what, save 90 cents? If there is a great deal of cost or labour to make a minor change or insignificant adjustment, there may be justification in compromising if it doesn't affect the safety or mechanical aspects of the bike, however, when there is little cost in either time or money, I don't hestate in doing the repair or modification to spec. BTW, I can't believe how many people out there that ride don't use a torque wrench on anything on their bikes. I have even had a so called "professional" mechanic tell me that he was a professional and that he could tighten down a bolt pretty close to spec by "feel." I mean no offence, but I would not walk, but run, from anyone that would attempt to work on my equipment with that kind of an attitude. My 2 cents worth, Todd Teulon South Texas "Zeniac" 97 PC-800 -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of eddie Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 11:49 AM To: PC800 List Subject: PC800: O-ring I installed my K&N filter without removing anything but the old filter. The airbox cover bolted right back on with no problems. -eddie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:57:06 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Dave Steven Subject: PC800: nonfango luggage ? Attention Euro PC'ers... Anyone have any experience with nonfango (.com) luggage. It looks a lot like Givi's stuff. Anyone know if they import to the USA or Canada? Dave '95 PC unnamed (shall we now also post our "survival index" scores along with names and other club numbers?) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Russ Goff" To: , "Dave Steven" Subject: Re: PC800: nonfango luggage ? Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:03:57 -0000 I have looked at this stuff. It looks like Givi but IMNSHO the quality just aint there, seems flimsy. And NO fitment for PC topbox. Russ www.f-goff.co.uk/mc/pc800links.htm City & Guilds Motorcycle Mechanic '89 PC800 "Obelix" iPCRC #777 HOC(GB) #17010 Landrover Discovery V8 EFi - LPG dual fuel "Binky" ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Dave Steven" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 8:57 PM Subject: PC800: nonfango luggage ? > Attention Euro PC'ers... > > Anyone have any experience with nonfango (.com) luggage. > It looks a lot like Givi's stuff. > > Anyone know if they import to the USA or Canada? > > Dave > '95 PC unnamed > > (shall we now also post our "survival index" scores along with names > and other club numbers?) > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Importance: Normal ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: On Scooters and Retracting Penises To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Gregory Pius" Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:03:53 -0500 01/03/2001 04:03:52 PM I initially bought a Helix because it was different from every other scooter on the road. I bought a Pacific Coast _specifically_ because it wasn't another Harley-Davidson. Mind you, I'm certainly not knocking Harley-Davidson motorcycles, but it's a bit tedious that every single cruiser on the road is either a Harley-Davidson or another bike trying to look like one. In South Florida, you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a Harley-Davidson or Harley-Davidson clone. When choosing my first large-displacement bike, I took the following into consideration, in this order: - Power. I wanted a bike that, unlike the Helix, had a more comfortable top-end speed. I have a fundamental problem with running a machine at its theoretical limit for any longer than absolutely necessary. - Comfort. My Helix was _damn_ uncomfortable for my 300lb. frame. I'd always climb off it with sore hamstrings. - Practicality. I carry around a backpack full of diagnostic gear--too big for the Helix's trunk--and always hated wearing it on my back when I rode. - Low maintenance. While playing with the carb needles would be intriguing once in a while, I didn't want to spend all $#%@&*! day for weeks tinkering with the thing. Note that not a single reason up there has to do with "cool" or "popular" or "chrome." Seeing a 300lb. guy on a Helix is, well, _unusual_, and I got my share of sniggers--to which I retorted, 'Okay, smart-ass, well what do _you_ ride?' That usually shut them up. There's one fellow with whom I work who supposedly owns a Harley-Davidson Fat Boy. He routinely brags about how much chrome it has and how you can hear the thing three counties away and how he could tow three bikes the size of mine with it. Funny, I never seem to see his Fat Boy the parking lot. And even if I did, I'd probably have a very difficult time discerning _his_ "custom" bike from every other "custom" bike in the parking lot (there are one or two). But he still swears _his_ bike is unique. Sure. Just like everybody else's. The point is that the PC _is_ a very unique bike, and its perfect combination of power and practicality is what drew me to it in the first place. Gregory (Your Friendly Neighborhood Sysadmin) '95 PC800 "The Jolly Roger" <.sig> Gregory Pius, System Administrator IBM Advanced Technologies, Ft. Lauderdale, Florida piusg@us.ibm.com Tie Line 599-6940 - Voice (954)-958-6940 - Mobile (954)-658-2566 AOL Instant Messenger: GWPius Sent by: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu cc: Subject: PC800: On Scooters and Retracting Penises Well, that would of course | be if there penis's hadn't retratced into vaginas since most of their wives | won't let them own a bike anymore....waaaaahh. | | Oh well, there you have it! Hope you enjoyed my little tizzy! | Chris | Having initiated this discussion on scooters by bringing up Honda's new Reflex, I must say that I've enjoyed the subsequent dialogue on scooters vs. motorcycles, including Chris's "tizzy" above. My two cents: it doesn't matter in the least to me whether scooters are considered real motorcycles. What I care about is meeting my transportation and recreational needs on two-wheeled motorized transport. Scooters can be practical and fun, and when I buy one the last thing I'll have on my mind is what people will think about a grown man buzzing around on a scooter. And I suspect that many on this list feel the same way, since driving the Pacific Coast - not exactly a mainstream motorcycle - demonstrates a similarly independent mindset. Those who need a motorcycle to bolster their image do not drive Pacific Coasts OR scooters. Those who have enough self-confidence to ride what they want do not suffer from the withering phallus syndrome described by Chris above. : ) Cheers, Joel Kopp '95 Coaster (still laid up with front-end work) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Kenneth" To: "Pacific Coast mailing list" Subject: PC800: PC800 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:47:23 -0500 paging Mr Michael S. Thomas. Please contact Kenneth Winter about a PC 800 question. KLW@centurytel.net 423-526-1328 423-626-2818 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "josef dorer" To: , "Dave Steven" Subject: Re: PC800: nonfango luggage ? Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:35:43 +0100 Hi Dave, I had a look at a Nonfango top box (model 852) the other day. To me it looks quite nice, and the quality seems to be equal to the Givi stuff. They have a specific rack for the PC, which apparently lets you have a better grip on the handle rail than the Givi, which I have. Also, here in Austria, they are cheaper than Givi. I guess you already checked out their website (http://www.nonfango.com/eng/home.html) regards -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Dave Steven An: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Datum: Mittwoch, 03. Jänner 2001 21:57 Betreff: PC800: nonfango luggage ? >Attention Euro PC'ers... > >Anyone have any experience with nonfango (.com) luggage. >It looks a lot like Givi's stuff. > >Anyone know if they import to the USA or Canada? > >Dave >'95 PC unnamed > >(shall we now also post our "survival index" scores along with names >and other club numbers?) >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "eddie" To: "PC800 List" Subject: PC800: K&N o-ring mystery solved. Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 17:17:28 -0500 Well, Thanks to you guys, I got paranoid about not removing the o-ring gaskets when I installed my K&N filter months ago. Soooooooooooo, out in 36F weather, I removed all the plastic bits and opened-up the airbox for a look. What did I find? Nothing. Absolutely nothing out of the ordinary. The filter was sealed well and the airbox lid was snugged-down safe and secure. The K&N filter itself was beginning to get a wee bit dirty. (Supposedly, they work a little better when they are like that. Something about oil surrounding the stuck dirt and creating more oily surface area to catch additional dirt. Makes sense in a way.) It was worth 20 minutes to find out what was going on, though. L8R, -eddie "...and the road goes on forever." - Gregg Allman, "Midnight Rider" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaPC800Rider@aol.com for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 18:23:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 18:23:51 EST Subject: Re: PC800: O-ring To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 1/3/2001 2:44:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, tteulon@usaonline.net writes: << Our local Honda dealer is one of them. When I inquired about balancing my wheels after replacing the tires, his comment was that it wasn't really neccessary and that they don't bother. I did the tire change myself and in balancing found that I needed less weight at a different point on the rim for one wheel, and more weight at a different point on the other. Did it make any difference? Probably not noticable at the speed that I drive, but it makes you wonder how they treat other things like correct torque on axle bolts. I went in again recently to get replacement coolant and a new sealing washer for the drain plug. They had the coolant, but did not have the sealing washer. Their response... ah you don't need to replace that washer, we just turn them around and they never leak. To what, save 90 cents? If there is a great deal of cost or labour to make a minor change or insignificant adjustment, there may be justification in compromising if it doesn't affect the safety or mechanical aspects of the bike, however, when there is little cost in either time or money, I don't hestate in doing the repair or modification to spec. BTW, I can't believe how many people out there that ride don't use a torque wrench on anything on their bikes. I have even had a so called "professional" mechanic tell me that he was a professional and that he could tighten down a bolt pretty close to spec by "feel." I mean no offence, but I would not walk, but run, from anyone that would attempt to work on my equipment with that kind of an attitude. My 2 cents worth, Todd Teulon South Texas "Zeniac" 97 PC-800 -----Original Message----- From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of eddie Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 11:49 AM >> Hey Todd, If I were you, I would avoid this Honda dealer, period... Unless you are in an area with little choice... I have learned over the years (I'm 33, so not that many years compared to SOME of our fellow listers) that skimping on the little things can cost exponentially much more in the long run. You don't seem like a cheapskate kind of guy, but this dealer seems to think that getting-by is okay. Not balancing your tires... ? I guess he can twirl the darn thing on his finger ALA Dr. J and check for proper balance... I don't own a torque wrench personally, so I cant bitch about not using one, but Bill, my Honda technician at Champion Honda and the only guy short of the boys in Japan who have ever touched 'Gabrielle' insists on doing everything the RIGHT way... When I went to install my trunk light kit last summer and saw me installing it, (I was installing it just outside of the service dept. back door), he pulled out his Dremel tool and drivers and installed it for me for nothing... Very cool... I have some rules that involve me and motorcycling that I try to adhere by... Troys Rules of Replacement for Motorcycles... 1) If it is worn, replace it. 2) Remove cotter pin, replace it with a new one. 3) Change the oil-replace the filter. 4) Yanking the air filter?-also replace the fuel filter. 5) Replace the rear tire? Replace the front (obviously exceptions to this). 6) Rear wheel off, grease the spline... 7) Oil change-replace the "O" ring. 8) Replace the brake fluid? Replace the clutch fluid too 9) Taillight bulb out? Replace the other side as well... 10) Never leave without a tire repair kit, tool kit and at least a flashlight and cell phone. (this isn't really a replacement, is it)? I learned my lesson a few years ago, 1983 to be exact... I had replaced my back tire on my '78 Yamaha DT 125T and used the OLD tube... I was living in San Diego at the time. I hopped on I-5 (I know, I know, under 5BHP, but she would go 55 flat out and I did this all the time) and got as far as the I-8/I-805 overpasses when BOOM! The rear tire blew out... I was 16 at the time. My parents and sis were in LA for the weekend (Universal Studios, etc., if I remember correctly) and I could reach any friends of mine, and I had about three bucks on me till Tuesday payday at my job at Taco Bell (Unit 55-Garnet Avenue-PB). SO what did I do? Put the DT in first gear and pushed it off the freeway, and ALL THE WAY back home to Pacific Beach, about 12 miles of city streets away... This I remember, thoroughly sucked! Don't be cheap, especially with motorcycles, it may bite you in the buttocks! (Or other out of the way places...) Troy Doyle '97 PC800 "Gabrielle" and '01 Chrysler 300M Summerville, SC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:40:55 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Clay Leihy" To: "Roy Cummings" , "Pacific Coast Net" Subject: Re: PC800: K&N Filter Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 18:34:17 -0500 Biggest reason for me is the savings. I've heard that the stock filter costs US$50-55. My K&N cost me $35. I could throw it out and replace it at the service intervals and STILL save money! Clay Leihy Burlington, NJ 89 PC "Lickity-Split" iPCRC#694 DoD#2160,6 ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Roy Cummings" To: "Pacific Coast Net" Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 11:36 PM Subject: PC800: K&N Filter > Okay, since we're on the subject of K&N air filters, what are their > advantages and disadvantages? TIA > > Roy Cummings > '98 PC800 > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaPC800Rider@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 18:43:41 EST Subject: Re: PC800: On Scooters and Retracting Penises To: piusg@us.ibm.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 1/3/2001 4:04:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 piusg@us.ibm.com writes: <<=20 Note that not a single reason up there has to do with "cool" or "popular" or "chrome." Seeing a 300lb. guy on a Helix is, well, _unusual_, and I got my share of sniggers--to which I retorted, 'Okay, smart-ass, well what do _you_ ride?' That usually shut them up. =20 There's one fellow with whom I work who supposedly owns a Harley-Davidson Fat Boy. He routinely brags about how much chrome it has and how you can hear the thing three counties away and how he could tow three bikes the size of mine with it. Funny, I never seem to see his Fat Boy the parking lot. And even if I did, I'd probably have a very difficult time discerning _his_ "custom" bike from every other "custom" bike in the parking lot (there are one or two). But he still swears _his_ bike is unique. Sure. Just like everybody else's. =20 The point is that the PC _is_ a very unique bike, and its perfect combination of power and practicality is what drew me to it in the first place. =20 Gregory (Your Friendly Neighborhood Sysadmin) '95 PC800 "The Jolly Roger" >> It funny how some peoples experiences are a "d=E9j=E0 vu" for others... I h= ad a=20 Helix! Loved it, it had nothing wrong with it that a few more ponies would=20 remedy... I mean, I loved this thing. Like I had mentioned before, folks=20 would stop pumping their gas when they saw me filling up, just to ask about=20 it. I weigh @ 265 BTW. I know how the Harley thing is too... Here in Charleston, if it aint a=20 Harley, it just ain't it... But, I grew up in Southern California, and quit= e=20 frankly, Honda has and always will be it... Harley's are truly show over go= ,=20 you'll never see one in the rain here, and never out if its under 50 degrees= =20 ... and if you do, they wear this stupid bandana over their eyes and nose,=20 frisking morons I say ... they truly don't know what a helmet is... Oh well= ,=20 I'm rambling... =20 A few weeks ago I joined some friends on their Yamaha Virago and other=20 cruisers for the annual Toys-For-Tots run... Everyone had their Harley's ..= .=20 but there were a couple of new Wings, two of em... a few BMW's, sportbikes,= =20 lots of clones ... and out of probably 600 bikes there was only ONE Pacific=20 Coast... Mine! If anyone has individualist written all over them, it's the rider who=20 chooses a Pacific Coast as their ride of choice... I would say an ST or a=20 Yamaha GTS would also qualify. Maybe even a CX500 or 650 Turbo rider... And when you come up to a group of them Harley's hawgs, say 20 or more, on=20 the freeway ... get up close to them, real close... Wave in a friendly=20 manner, ride as they do. Then let open the throttle and take her up to 115 (YMMV)... They won't=20 believe their eyes anyway... Their bitch is sitting on their shades, heck,=20 they can't even see the road! Troy Doyle '97 PC800 "Gabrielle" and '01 Chrysler 300M Summerville, SC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Revill Dunn" Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 17:46:43 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Kill Switch I know that it's Federally Mandated that all motorcycles sold in the US have kill switches. Once upon a time, I had a motorcycle that didn't (1966 Susy) and I had the throttle stick. Solved it by turning off the motor with the key. But, ya know, that was the LAST motorcycle I've ever heard of that the throttle stuck on. Those 2stroke motors of the '60s were prone to lots of things that just aren't done today. Like seizing in hot weather. (FUN on the freeway!). Has any of you all extremely experienced motorcyclists EVER had a use for the kill switch, other than making really impressive backfires? Just curious.... Revill Rider of Whirby -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BillandScoot@cs.com Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:06:56 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Kill Switch To: revill.dunn@legerity.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Revill, Someone, somewhere told me to turn the bike off with the kill switch, before turning off the key. Have I ever done it? Nope. In fact I have been embarrased a time or two when the kill switch had been turned off (kids etc, ?) and I didn't notice. Most embarrasing moment was on my old DT250. Had only kick start. Kicked and Kicked and Kicked. Wife asked: what is this little red button??????? Bill Richardson 98PC"Scoot" San Antonio iPCRC #906 HRCA #001137 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ronrus@webtv.net (Ron Russell) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:51:22 -0600 (CST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Portable CD Players I have been playing with a new Christmas present- a Sony Walkman Discman. I am impressed with its sound. Is there a way to connect it to the bike (Neill's glovebox?) so I could hear these sounds while I am riding? Just a thought. Ron -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail7.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 03:04:54 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "markie800" To: Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: PC Fuel Consumption Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:02:18 -0600 The worst mileage I ever got was with Ralphie, coming back from Starved Rock on I-55. But we made damn good time ;-) Mark G. ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ralph Couey" To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 6:51 PM Subject: Re: PC800: PC Fuel Consumption > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 8:43 AM > Subject: PC800: PC Fuel Consumption > > > > Gregory, > > > > I am not sure what the problem is with your bike. Suggestions: replace > the > > spark plugs, add a K & N air filter (Increases horsepower and mileage), > check > > tire pressure, make sure your brakes are not "locking up" while you are > > driving and finally change the oil and filter for good measure. > > > You might also try to unhook the piano you're towing...;-) > > How many gallons did it take when you filled up? That fuel guage is a real > stinker until you readjust the float. When I first got my '95, the needle > would be pegged at about 110 miles. Following the suggestion on the list > (available through the archives) I adjusted the float valve to where the > needle enters the red with 1 gallon remaining. Now I routinely go 150 miles > per tankful. The other thing you should be aware of is that the PC becomes > a real gas hog above 85 miles per hour. While not admitting to any > violations of the law, it is usual to expect mileage to go from upper 40's > to low 50's mpg at around 70 all the way down to the low 30's mpg between 85 > and 90. Also, if it is cold where you are, the engine will not reach as > high an operating temperature as it does in more moderate weather. And cold > engines just don't burn fuel efficiently. Looking at my spreadsheet, I > always see a drop of at least 5 mpg when operating during the "long dark > tunnel" days of January and February. > > Or your bike just may be overdue for a tuneup and carb overhaul. > > Hope this helps. > > Ralph Couey > Columbia, MO > '95 PC800 "Seishin No Yomichi" > "A life lived without risk is no life at all." > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > Shop Safely Online Without a Credit Card http://www.rocketcash.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Wed, 3 Jan 2001 19:16:18 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "George Hilsinger" To: revill.dunn@legerity.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Kill Switch Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 19:16:18 -0800 >Has any of you all extremely experienced motorcyclists EVER had a use for >the >kill switch, other than making really impressive backfires? > >Just curious.... > >Revill >Rider of Whirby Actually, yes. I was riding my Honda 450 in the Netherlands 30 years ago and when I turned the forks to full lock at a stop, the engine started to rev insanely. After finally remembering the kill switch, I shut it down and pushed the baike to the side of the road. It turned out that in preparing for the trip, I had taken the gas tank off. When I put it back on, I got the throttle cable misrouted. When I turned the bars, the cable end pulled out of the sleeve under the tank. When I straightened the bars, the cable end hung up on the outside of the sleeve leaving me with an open throttle. 13,000+ rpm in neutral can sure get your attention and I was glad to have the kill switch. On the other hand, there have been a few times when I have tried to start a bike with the kill switch off. That always makes you feel brilliant when you eventually figure out the problem. A friend and I spent a night sleeping under a bridge in Milan after we got caught in a hail storm (ping pong ball size). Poor visibility and an autostada full of ice caused us to pull off on the shoulder to wait out the storm. When the hail finished, he had a broken face shield and his bike wouldn't start. Using a rope, I towed him to the next interchange. Since we couldn't find a place to stay near the freeway, we slept under the overpass. In the morning, we found the kill swich was shut off. Apparently the hail had hit it while we were stopped and in the dark we didn't notice it. You win some and you lose some. George Hilsinger 97 PC800 Gypsy Yakima, WA _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: xcontrol@erols.com for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:26:27 -0500 To: Subject: RE: PC800: Kill Switch Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:26:08 -0500 Importance: Normal On my two stoke vespa euro model, no kill switch, my bike one day revved wildly high, I hit the key to shut it off, and it kept running!!!!! I was totally terrified and sat with the clutch in, and after about a minute it stopped. I was told later that two strokes can get so hot, they diesel and will ingite their own fuel from the extreme heat and pressure under the right circumstances, a fellow dirtbiker told me this. Made sense since the switch worked perfectly under normal circumstances. Chris -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of George Hilsinger Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 10:16 PM To: revill.dunn@legerity.com; pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Kill Switch >Has any of you all extremely experienced motorcyclists EVER had a use for >the >kill switch, other than making really impressive backfires? > >Just curious.... > >Revill >Rider of Whirby Actually, yes. I was riding my Honda 450 in the Netherlands 30 years ago and when I turned the forks to full lock at a stop, the engine started to rev insanely. After finally remembering the kill switch, I shut it down and pushed the baike to the side of the road. It turned out that in preparing for the trip, I had taken the gas tank off. When I put it back on, I got the throttle cable misrouted. When I turned the bars, the cable end pulled out of the sleeve under the tank. When I straightened the bars, the cable end hung up on the outside of the sleeve leaving me with an open throttle. 13,000+ rpm in neutral can sure get your attention and I was glad to have the kill switch. On the other hand, there have been a few times when I have tried to start a bike with the kill switch off. That always makes you feel brilliant when you eventually figure out the problem. A friend and I spent a night sleeping under a bridge in Milan after we got caught in a hail storm (ping pong ball size). Poor visibility and an autostada full of ice caused us to pull off on the shoulder to wait out the storm. When the hail finished, he had a broken face shield and his bike wouldn't start. Using a rope, I towed him to the next interchange. Since we couldn't find a place to stay near the freeway, we slept under the overpass. In the morning, we found the kill swich was shut off. Apparently the hail had hit it while we were stopped and in the dark we didn't notice it. You win some and you lose some. George Hilsinger 97 PC800 Gypsy Yakima, WA _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Hansen, Hal" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: windshields Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 19:33:21 -0800 recently bought a 96 PC with 200 actual miles on it... a fantastic motorcycle that i really love to ride, with one little exception.... the windshield! i am 6'2" and the stock shield doesn't provide as much protection as i think it should .... i would like to now open Pandora's box and solicit everybody's thoughts on the different companies (Rifle, Clearview, etc) and what height might be best for me.... is there a rule of thumb about where the top of the windshield should line up on your face? will a larger one affect gas mileage? thanks, all input is appreciated hal 96 PC800 ("Rusty") -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:51:56 -0500 To: ronrus@webtv.net (Ron Russell) From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Portable CD Players Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 8:51 PM -0600 1/3/01, Ron Russell wrote: >I have been playing with a new Christmas present- a Sony Walkman >Discman. I am impressed with its sound. Is there a way to connect it >to the bike (Neill's glovebox?) so I could hear these sounds while I am >riding? Just a thought. > Hi Ron Good news, there is an easy way to hook up your new Discman to your bike to get some tunes.... They have this newly developed technology called 'ear phones' that magically transport the sound from the Discman, through some little wires, into these little pods that sit in your ear.. Okay.. what is it you are asking? Do you want to hook it up for 12V, or do you want a way to hear the music? I have a Sonty as well (AM/FM/CD) with G-Protection and long battery life, which I have in my Glovebox, and the remote for it just hangs out of the box a bit. I listen to it through my chatterbox CB, but you could just as easily hook it up to a decent set of helmet speakers. Elaborate on your question and let us know what you specifically meant, and I 'll see if I can help instead of just being a wise ass... Take care. fsl *** Top 10 Reasons to Procrastinate *** 1. (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. <0CBD136CD10C1D4A83C98F8F0AB341B63EA5B7@anthnt1.anthonydoors.com> <0CBD136CD10C1D4A83C98F8F0AB341B63EA5B7@anthnt1.anthonydoors.com> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:00:19 -0500 To: "Hansen, Hal" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: windshields Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > >i would like to now open Pandora's box and solicit everybody's thoughts >on the different companies (Rifle, Clearview, etc) and what height >might be best for me.... Welcome Hal, and congrats on finding such a low mileage PC800. Mine had 462 miles on it when I picked it up, and two previous owners! Rifle and Clearview each make an aftermarket screen, and Honda makes a taller than stock screen as well. In order of what seems to be the most popular, the choices are Clearview, Rifle, then Honda tall screen. The Clearview is available from two sources. You can get it from the manufacturer direct, or from Sport Touring Accessories (http://www.sporttouringusa.com) . I've never been a big fan of the two piece system Rifle uses for their PC screen. It's a personal opinion thing. I find that it really looks like an aftermarket screen, whereas the Clearview looks like it was done right by Honda. > is there a rule of thumb about where the top >of the windshield should line up on your face? Depends on wehter you like to look over or through a shield. I'm about your height, have a 34" inseam, and look over a +3 Clearview with a bit of room to spare. I could probably see clearly over a +5 if I sat up straight. > will a larger one affect >gas mileage? > You would think so, but the Clearview and/or Rifle might help cut a better hole into the wind than the stock shield, so it;s hard to tell. There are a few list members who have kept records of their fuel consumption over the years, and they will chime in with their documented results if there is a link between size and mileage. Good luck with your decision. fsl :-) *** Top 10 Reasons to Procrastinate *** 1. (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) i would like to now open Pandora's box and solicit everybody's thoughts on the different companies (Rifle, Clearview, etc) and what height might be best for me.... Welcome Hal, and congrats on finding such a low mileage PC800. Mine had 462 miles on it when I picked it up, and two previous owners! Rifle and Clearview each make an aftermarket screen, and Honda makes a taller than stock screen as well. In order of what seems to be the most popular, the choices are Clearview, Rifle, then Honda tall screen. The Clearview is available from two sources. You can get it from the manufacturer direct, or from Sport Touring Accessories (http://www.sporttouringusa.com) . I've never been a big fan of the two piece system Rifle uses for their PC screen. It's a personal opinion thing. I find that it really looks like an aftermarket screen, whereas the Clearview looks like it was done right by Honda. is there a rule of thumb about where the top of the windshield should line up on your face? Depends on wehter you like to look over or through a shield. I'm about your height, have a 34" inseam, and look over a +3 Clearview with a bit of room to spare. I could probably see clearly over a +5 if I sat up straight. will a larger one affect gas mileage? You would think so, but the Clearview and/or Rifle might help cut a better hole into the wind than the stock shield, so it;s hard to tell. There are a few list members who have kept records of their fuel consumption over the years, and they will chime in with their documented results if there is a link between size and mileage. Good luck with your decision. fsl :-) *** Top 10 Reasons to Procrastinate *** 1. (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 23:18:53 -0500 Subject: Re: PC800: windshields To: hal@anthonydoors.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: yankeesmuggler@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) hal@anthonydoors.com writes: >recently bought a 96 PC with 200 actual miles on it... >a fantastic motorcycle that i really love to ride, with one little >exception.... >the windshield! i am 6'2" and the stock shield doesn't provide as much >protection as i think it should .... > >i would like to now open Pandora's box and solicit everybody's thoughts >on the different companies (Rifle, Clearview, etc) and what height >might be best for me.... is there a rule of thumb about where the top >of the windshield should line up on your face? will a larger one affect >gas mileage? > >thanks, all input is appreciated > >hal >96 PC800 ("Rusty") > I've had both a Rifle +5 and a Clearview +3 (the + is how many inches taller than the stock one you have now). The +5 was a good height for me with the stock Honda seat, but when I changed to the Corbin seat (very soon after buying my bike new) I needed a shorter windshield because it dropped me down 1.5 inches or so. I'm about 6' 1" with a 32" inseam. I like the Clearview I have had for 2 years for its styling and thicker plastic. No flex in the wind! I've put about 40,000 miles on my Clearview and it looks as good as the day I installed it. Tim Davies Seneca Falls, New York 13148 '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:19:46 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ralph Couey" To: "markie800" , Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: PC Fuel Consumption Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:18:11 -0600 Yeah, we sure sucked up some asphalt that day.... Ralph Couey Columbia, MO '95 PC800 "Seishin No Yomichi" "A life lived without risk is no life at all." ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "markie800" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 9:02 PM Subject: Re: PC800: PC Fuel Consumption > The worst mileage I ever got was with Ralphie, coming back from Starved Rock > on I-55. But we made damn good time ;-) > > Mark G. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ralph Couey" > To: ; > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 6:51 PM > Subject: Re: PC800: PC Fuel Consumption > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Cc: > > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 8:43 AM > > Subject: PC800: PC Fuel Consumption > > > > > > > Gregory, > > > > > > I am not sure what the problem is with your bike. Suggestions: replace > > the > > > spark plugs, add a K & N air filter (Increases horsepower and mileage), > > check > > > tire pressure, make sure your brakes are not "locking up" while you are > > > driving and finally change the oil and filter for good measure. > > > > > > You might also try to unhook the piano you're towing...;-) > > > > How many gallons did it take when you filled up? That fuel guage is a > real > > stinker until you readjust the float. When I first got my '95, the needle > > would be pegged at about 110 miles. Following the suggestion on the list > > (available through the archives) I adjusted the float valve to where the > > needle enters the red with 1 gallon remaining. Now I routinely go 150 > miles > > per tankful. The other thing you should be aware of is that the PC > becomes > > a real gas hog above 85 miles per hour. While not admitting to any > > violations of the law, it is usual to expect mileage to go from upper 40's > > to low 50's mpg at around 70 all the way down to the low 30's mpg between > 85 > > and 90. Also, if it is cold where you are, the engine will not reach as > > high an operating temperature as it does in more moderate weather. And > cold > > engines just don't burn fuel efficiently. Looking at my spreadsheet, I > > always see a drop of at least 5 mpg when operating during the "long dark > > tunnel" days of January and February. > > > > Or your bike just may be overdue for a tuneup and carb overhaul. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Ralph Couey > > Columbia, MO > > '95 PC800 "Seishin No Yomichi" > > "A life lived without risk is no life at all." > > > > > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > > > Shop Safely Online Without a Credit Card > http://www.rocketcash.com > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. 3 Jan 2001 22:27:01 -0600 (CST) by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.2-32 #40812) 03 Jan 2001 22:27:01 -0600 (CST) 03 Jan 2001 20:26:19 -0800 04 Jan 2001 04:26:18 +0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 23:26:18 -0500 From: Greg Castle Subject: PC800: welcome 2 CANADA To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu FILETIME=[7C2959E0:01C07606]

Okay, so I now know what a skhudoo is, eh ?
Wonder what more kinda of crazy canuckian things I'm gonna
learn for the next couple of days... meanwhile just getting rid
of my jetlag and trying to think how I can survive this snow
and how I can survive not riding my bike for a couple of days..
ah well... I guess I'll see enough motorcycles to compensate
that the coming days...
See y'all later guys, eh ?

EMILE


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-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. <001d01c0751f$56532760$81ca0c18@clmba1.mo.home.com> <002601c075fa$c163f080$3ee894ce@h74678> <005301c07605$59e88aa0$81ca0c18@clmba1.mo.home.com> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:38:47 -0500 To: "Ralph Couey" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: PC Fuel Consumption Cc: "markie800" , , > >From: "markie800" > > > The worst mileage I ever got was with Ralphie, coming back from Starved >Rock > > on I-55. But we made damn good time ;-) > > > > Mark G. > > Yeah, I remember that day as well. I was pushing along pretty well heading north to Wisconsin, with Tim Macy riding along with his ST1100. That's the day I ran out of gas, although Tim said it really doesn't count as running out since I ran out while travelling 75+mph, then coasted into a small town, turned a few corners, and came to a stop next to some guy cutting his grass with a gas lawn mower! I bought a bit if gas from him, got back on the highway, and finally got to a service station where I put in 4.2 gallons... good thing the gas station wasn't another mile down the road. I have to admit on that particular day I was thinking how nice an ST would be with that huge gas tank.... That day has some great memories... I hope we can meet up at the Chicago Cycle World show. If anyone is going, come by the Sport Touring Accessories booth and say hi. I will be working the booth with Rob and Leslie for the 3 days of the show. Ride safe.. fsl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: sge2000@att.net by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with SMTP Thu, 4 Jan 2001 04:45:38 +0000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) Subject: PC800: How Big a Butthead Are You? Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 04:45:37 +0000 The recent postings about windshield height have motivated me to offer for the list's consideration a new way to share info about rider physiology and appropriate windshields. Which I am pleased to call the Butthead Index. Sit on your PC, in as nearly a normal riding posture as you can. Measure from the front edge of the seat top vertically to a point straight in front of your eyes. This distance is your Butthead Index. Although there are imperfections with the Butthead Index, I offer it in hopes that it will be better than height and inseam measurements, which do not directly address the territory being compared. The problems I see with the Butthead Index are the possibility that one's static posture will not accurately mimic posture while riding; the difficulty in ensuring that the measurement device is vertical; and ambiguity in determining the actual height of one's eyes without a level or some such device. However, I think it still may offer interesting info. I would welcome any suggestions of modifications to this procedure that would improve it. Anyone care to share their personal info with the list? I envision a format such as this: Your height Your inseam Your Butthead Index Brand and size of windshield; how it relates to your line of sight; and whether you would prefer it or another (specified) height for yourself For example, my info: My height is 5' 10". My inseam is 29". I am a 30.5" Butthead. My windshield is the stock '89. My line of sight is so far above the top that I may someday be able to actually see the windshield...when I get bifocals. (In other words, soon!) -- Steve Ewens Lee's Summit, MO iPCRC #1044 '89 PC800 Butthead Index: 30.5 Survival Index: 76 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Wakefield, Steve L." To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:10:32 -0600 I agree with the following EXCEPT for the "faster" part. By the time I get all the gear on, wheel the bike out of the garage, start it up, find the remote for the garage door, stow the remote for the garage door, etc, I could have been two miles down the road in the pickup. Oh, and don't EVEN get me started about waiting on traffic lights (but we discussed that one already). SWake -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@norloff.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 12:02 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz 82. Yeah, they kind of missed the point that motorcycles can be used for daily transport. How do I view motorcycling? As a way to get to work - faster, more fun, and less expensive than the alternatives. Something enjoyable you can do while you're doing something else (commuting to work). sigh. Chris Norloff -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by enterprise.powerup.com.au with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 05:11:24 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ron Grant" To: "PC800 group" Subject: PC800: Body by Tupperware decal? Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:12:15 +1000 If these are still available, would the gentleman who has them please = contact me? Now that I have painted my other helix to match my other helix, I need = another decal. Thanks Ron Grant in Brisbane Australia! Motorcycle Travel Web Page www.powerup.com.au/~ultspnch -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by enterprise.powerup.com.au with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 05:11:28 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ron Grant" To: "PC800 group" Subject: PC800: Another CLUTCH idea from nowheresville..... Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:06:40 +1000 While having an idle chit chat with a local do-all service shop, I = noticed Barnett parts on his counter and mentioned the clutch slip = problem we are all thinking about.=20 He seemed to think that it is the same problem he had seen on other = Hondas, and claims there is a oil dispersion problem caused by too small = a 'clutch surround' space volume that does not let the oil "throw out' = quickly enough on releasing the lever. I can't remember for sure, but I think he said it was also a problem on = the sportbike 900...is that Firebird/ firestorm? Fireblade? Apparently = they solve the problem by drilling 3 holes "somewhere' to allow the oil = to leave faster.....seems to make sense but on looking at my shop manual = I can't really see where you would drill such holes, but the 'theory' of = the idea does make some sense. Just thought I would throw it out to see if anyone agrees the idea has = potential. If so I can certainly get more details. =20 Ron Grant in Brisbane Australia! Motorcycle Travel Web Page www.powerup.com.au/~ultspnch -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: "Hansen, Hal" , Subject: Re: PC800: windshields Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:11:12 -0800 windshieldsHi Hal-- It is really helpful when one in your situation gets input from folks = who then add their inseam and height. To determine what I wanted, I drilled two holes in my stock Honda shield = and then started adding pieces of Lexan Circle R of varying heights. = They were not full width, just about 9 inches wide, but that began to = show me what exactly I liked in terms of visibility and helmet cooling = and stuff. I ended up with a Clearview plus 5. I am 5-ll and some, 32" inseam Lee Barker 95 "Secondo con Brio" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Hansen, Hal=20 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 7:33 PM Subject: PC800: windshields recently bought a 96 PC with 200 actual miles on it...=20 a fantastic motorcycle that i really love to ride, with one little = exception....=20 the windshield! i am 6'2" and the stock shield doesn't provide as much = protection as i think it should ....=20 i would like to now open Pandora's box and solicit everybody's = thoughts=20 on the different companies (Rifle, Clearview, etc) and what height=20 might be best for me.... is there a rule of thumb about where the top=20 of the windshield should line up on your face? will a larger one = affect=20 gas mileage?=20 thanks, all input is appreciated=20 hal=20 96 PC800 ("Rusty")=20 =20 5.
 
I am 5-ll and some, 32" = inseam
 
Lee Barker
95 "Secondo con Brio"
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Hansen,=20 Hal
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, = 2001 7:33=20 PM
Subject: PC800: = windshields

recently bought a 96 PC with 200 actual miles on = it...=20
a fantastic motorcycle that i really love to ride, = with one=20 little exception....
the windshield! i am = 6'2" and the=20 stock shield doesn't provide as much
protection as i=20 think it should ....

i would like to now open Pandora's box and solicit = everybody's=20 thoughts
on the different companies (Rifle, = Clearview,=20 etc) and what height
might be best for = me.... is there=20 a rule of thumb about where the top
of the = windshield=20 should line up on your face? will a larger one affect
gas mileage?

thanks, all input is appreciated

hal
96 PC800 ("Rusty") =

  =




-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:36:17 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Chuck Chiodini" To: "Revill Dunn" , Subject: Re: PC800: Kill Switch Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:36:51 -0600 Listers: Here's what I tell fellow motorcyclists during MSF courses, and yes...I do use the engine cutoff switch EVERY time because I believe in it! Reasons for always using the engine kill switch to stop your engine: 1) Allows you to shut down while keeping both hands on the handlebars and maintaining maximum control of the bike. 2) If you ever go down, the first thing you need to do is shut down the motor before the rear tire grabs traction and starts spinning the bike around, so.....develop this hand/eye coordination as a matter of habit before you really need it. Same for the (rare) "stuck throttle" scenario. 3) If you ever ride an unfamiliar bike (demo rides?), you won't have to look for the key in an emergency; all kill switches on modern bikes are in the same place on the right handle grip. Practice for the emergency you hope will never happen! 4) Every time you use the switch, you are also cleaning the contacts and testing the switch to insure it will work when needed. 5) Developing this habit will help prevent the embarrassment of having your bike not start because someone or something turned the switch off. (Tell me that never happens) MSF teaches FINE-C for starting/stopping the engine because it works with ALL bikes: F = Fuel ON (how many times have you forgotten this on a petcock equipped bike?) I = Ignition switch (key) ON N = Put transmission in neutral. (Must for kick starters and some bikes with starter lock outs) E = Engine cutoff (kill) switch to RUN (honey, what's that red switch for?) C = Choke (if needed) Clutch IN (prevents runaway starts, N/A for kickstarters) Crank it! NOTE: The downside is you might forget to turn the key off and drain the battery, so remember that step too. Ride like your life depends on it! Chuck Chiodini in Heber Springs, Arkansas '89 PC800 "Scooter" (clutch parts arrived today!! Yeahhhhhhh) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:15:57 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "tteulon" To: "Pc800@Hpc. Uh. Edu \(E-mail\)" Cc: "'Hansen, Hal'" Subject: RE: PC800: windshields Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 00:22:11 -0600 Importance: Normal windshieldsHey Rusty, I don't know what most people prefer in regards to looking through a screen, but I find that I prefer to be able to look over the sheild instead of through it. You find as many varied opinions as there are people as to what is the best height. I spoke with Craig from Clearview sheilds prior to making a decision and it was recommended to go with the +3" screen. (I'm 6" 1" with a 34" inseam) I went out and cut up a piece of cardboard that added 5" and then 3" and went for a ride. It must have looked pretty funny driving down the road with a piece of cardboard covering the front of the screen, however, it did give me a good idea of what I could expect with a new screen. After talking to a lot of people and with a lot of help from this listserver, I decided to go with the Clearview +3". I love the screen I ordered. It still allows me the ability to look over the screen while enjoying a much quieter ride ( no longer need ear plugs) than the stock one. As far as mileage is concerned, I haven't seen a great deal of difference, however, on the negative side, I do believe that the larger screen does cause one to be pushed around a bit more on those gusty days in truck traffic on the expressway. I do believe that both Clearview and Rifle have a return policy if you find that the screen ordered doesn't work as well as you were hoping it would. There are a number of people that love Rifles, and some that found they prefer the Clearview. I haven't heard a lot of comment on the tinted screens, however, they sure do look sharp on the bike. I would try to find someone that has a PC with the same screen you are looking for that will let you take it for a ride. In lieu of that, you may want to try my cardboard idea out, it sure worked for me. Godd Luck and enjoy your new wheels! Todd Teulon South Texas "Zeniac" 97 PC-800 -----Original Message----- From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of Hansen, Hal Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 9:33 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: windshields recently bought a 96 PC with 200 actual miles on it... a fantastic motorcycle that i really love to ride, with one little exception.... the windshield! i am 6'2" and the stock shield doesn't provide as much protection as i think it should .... i would like to now open Pandora's box and solicit everybody's thoughts on the different companies (Rifle, Clearview, etc) and what height might be best for me.... is there a rule of thumb about where the top of the windshield should line up on your face? will a larger one affect gas mileage? thanks, all input is appreciated hal 96 PC800 ("Rusty") class=3D152120706-04012001>" screen. (I'm 6" 1" with a 34" inseam) I went = out and cut=20 up a piece of cardboard that added 5" and then 3" and went for a = ride. It=20 must have looked pretty funny driving down the road with a piece of=20 cardboard covering the front of the screen, however, it did give me = a good=20 idea of what I could expect with a new screen.=20
 
After talking to a lot of = people and with=20 a lot of help from this listserver, I decided to go with the Clearview = +3". I=20 love the screen I ordered. It still allows me the ability to = look over=20 the screen while enjoying a much quieter ride ( no longer need ear = plugs) than=20 the stock one. As far as mileage is concerned, I haven't seen a great = deal of=20 difference, however, on the negative side, I do believe that the larger = screen=20 does cause one to be pushed around a bit more on those gusty days in = truck=20 traffic on the expressway.
 
I do believe that both = Clearview and=20 Rifle have a return = policy if you=20 find that the screen ordered=20 doesn't work as well as you were hoping it would. There are a = number of=20 people that love Rifles, = and some=20 that found they prefer the Clearview. I haven't heard a lot of comment = on the=20 tinted screens, however, they sure do look sharp on the bike. I would try to find someone that has a PC = with the=20 same screen you are looking for that will let you take it for a ride. In = lieu of=20 that, you may want to try my cardboard idea out, it sure worked for=20 me.
 
Godd Luck and enjoy your new=20 wheels!
 
Todd=20 Teulon
South Texas=20 "Zeniac"
97=20 PC-800
 
-----Original Message-----
From: = owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu=20 [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of Hansen, = Hal
Sent:=20 Wednesday, January 03, 2001 9:33 PM
To:=20 pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: = windshields

recently bought a 96 PC with 200 actual miles on = it...=20
a fantastic motorcycle that i really love to ride, = with one=20 little exception....
the windshield! i am = 6'2" and the=20 stock shield doesn't provide as much
protection as i=20 think it should ....

i would like to now open Pandora's box and solicit = everybody's=20 thoughts
on the different companies (Rifle, = Clearview,=20 etc) and what height
might be best for = me.... is there=20 a rule of thumb about where the top
of the = windshield=20 should line up on your face? will a larger one affect
gas mileage?

thanks, all input is appreciated

hal
96 PC800 ("Rusty") =

  =




-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Russ Goff" To: "PC 800 LIST" Subject: Re: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:17:14 -0000 82 because I just love black leather and open face helmets :-} and weve only got 8 hours of daylight at the moment so night riding is a necessity. Russ bikes@f-goff.co.uk PCRC #777 HOC #17010 City & Guilds Motorcycle Mechanic Milton Keynes '89 Honda PC800 "Obelix" '90 LandRover Discovery LPG V8i ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Arvid Løvik To: PC 800 LIST Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 12:19 AM Subject: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz Who beats my 92 points ?? http://www.activebike.com/mcquide/mcquide.htm Regards Arvid Løvik -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Russ Goff" To: "David Sigsbee" , "PC800 PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Cleaning radiator fins Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:17:23 -0000 I recall a thread where someone discovered that the rad was extremely fragile. I hose mine off with a low pressure hose and hope for the best. Russ bikes@f-goff.co.uk PCRC #777 HOC #17010 City & Guilds Motorcycle Mechanic Milton Keynes '89 Honda PC800 "Obelix" '90 LandRover Discovery LPG V8i ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: David Sigsbee To: PC800 PC800 Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 4:06 PM Subject: PC800: Cleaning radiator fins > In taking the plastic off of my PC, I saw how much dirt and grit the > tire seems to have thrown onto the radiator. Since it appears that I > can't get a hose behind the radiator to wash the stuff out from the back > side to the front like I would do with my car or house air conditioner > unit, I am interested in what others have done to clean their radiator > fins. > > Also, has any one tried any of the non-acid cleaning foams that are used > for cleaning air conditioners onm their motorcycle radiators and with > what results? > > Thanks > > David > > -- > David L. Sigsbee Office: 901 678-4688 > Academic Transfer and Articulation Fax: 901 678-5367 > The University of Memphis E-Mail: dsigsbee@memphis.edu > 402 Jones Hall Home: 901 327-3848 > Memphis, TN 38152-6140 > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Will Edwards" To: "Hansen, Hal" , Subject: Re: PC800: windshields Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 02:17:22 -0800 windshields----- Original Message -----=20 From: Hansen, Hal=20 i would like to now open Pandora's box and solicit everybody's = thoughts=20 on the different companies (Rifle, Clearview, etc) and what height=20 might be best for me.... is there a rule of thumb about where the top=20 of the windshield should line up on your face? will a larger one = affect=20 gas mileage?=20 Hal, I have the Clearview +5 and like it. I am 6' tall and with the stock = saddle would mostly look through it, but I could stretch and look over = the top. With my Russell seat I now look just over the top, about right. = It depends if you want to look through or over the top of the shield.=20 Will=20 Washington state 96 PC800 Focus your eyes to where you want to be, Not to where you are afraid of falling to... the=20 shield.

Will
Washington state
96 PC800
Focus your eyes to = where you=20 want to be,
Not to where you are afraid of falling=20 to...
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Will Edwards" To: "Revill Dunn" , Subject: Re: PC800: Kill Switch Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 02:34:16 -0800 I was trained to use the kill switch each time to turn off the engine so that this is second nature, a habit. Then if something happens on the road where you need to kill the engine in an emergence you will keep both hands on the controls for control while killing the engine without having to think about what you are doing. When I dumped my Yamaha Royal Star I had the engine shut off as I was peeled off the bike, I did what I was trained to do without having a thought about it. Why, because I had done it thousands of times (using the kill switch, not dumping bikes). Just my thoughts Will Washington state 96 PC800 Focus your eyes to where you want to be, Not to where you are afraid of falling to... . . ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Revill Dunn" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 3:46 PM Subject: PC800: Kill Switch > I know that it's Federally Mandated that all motorcycles sold in the US have > kill switches. Once upon a time, I had a motorcycle that didn't (1966 Susy) > and I had the throttle stick. Solved it by turning off the motor with the key. > > But, ya know, that was the LAST motorcycle I've ever heard of that the throttle > stuck on. Those 2stroke motors of the '60s were prone to lots of things that > just aren't done today. Like seizing in hot weather. (FUN on the freeway!). > > Has any of you all extremely experienced motorcyclists EVER had a use for the > kill switch, other than making really impressive backfires? > > Just curious.... > > Revill > Rider of Whirby > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Will Edwards" To: "PC800" , Subject: Re: PC800: How Big a Butthead Are You? Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 02:40:57 -0800 Your going to need info on the type of seat. A stock, Russell or Corbin all place you at different heights. My Russell seat is a little higher than a stock seat, and I hear the Corbin's are a little lower. Will Washington state 96 PC800 Focus your eyes to where you want to be, Not to where you are afraid of falling to... . -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "eddie" To: "Revill Dunn" Cc: "PC800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: Kill Switch Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 06:59:06 -0500 I once went over kinda of hard in deep sand on my Transalp and slightly buried the nose. The "kill" switch was all I could get to in a hurry. Beyond that one time? No, I can't think of a reason I've used the switch to stop a running engine. I HAVE used it to prevent an engine from running until the oil light goes out after a filter and oil change, however. -eddie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP Thu, 4 Jan 2001 03:59:56 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ralph Couey" To: , "PC800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: How Big a Butthead Are You? Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 05:58:01 -0600 ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: To: "PC800 List" Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 10:45 PM Subject: PC800: How Big a Butthead Are You? > The recent postings about windshield height have > motivated me to offer for the list's consideration a new > way to share info about rider physiology and appropriate > windshields. Which I am pleased to call the Butthead > Index. > Give me a couple days and I'll come up with a "Bevis Index." Ralph Couey Columbia, MO '95 PC800 "Seishin No Yomichi" "A life lived without risk is no life at all." -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Revill Dunn" Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 07:25:21 -0600 "PC800: Portable CD Players" (Jan 3, 8:51pm) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Portable CD Players I tried putting my cassette recorder/FM in my glovebox. The radio worked fine, but the tape picked up ignition hum when in the glovebox, but not when in my pocket. The trick was the earphones. I bought a cheap pair, destroyed them, and velcroed the earpieces in my helmet. Works great up to 60 mph, then I can't hear anything. (I still wear an open face). Revill Rider of Whirby (mostly. Had to take the daughter to school this morning, so today I'm Whirbyless). -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Revill Dunn" Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 07:36:22 -0600 "RE: PC800: Kill Switch" (Jan 3, 10:26pm) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Kill Switch I had the same thing happen on a bastard Jap bike I once put together (Kawasaki motor, Honda frame, one Honda wheel, one Yamaha wheel). I was "tuning" it, and had idled it for a long time. It suddenly started running really fast (no tach) and I tried to shut it off.... Didn't work! Pulled the spark plug wire.... (YEOWCH!) Still running! I had to pull the gas line to shut it off. Revill On Jan 3, 10:26pm, xcontrol@erols.com wrote: > Subject: RE: PC800: Kill Switch > On my two stoke vespa euro model, no kill switch, my bike one day revved > wildly high, I hit the key to shut it off, and it kept running!!!!! I was > totally terrified and sat with the clutch in, and after about a minute it > stopped. I was told later that two strokes can get so hot, they diesel and > will ingite their own fuel from the extreme heat and pressure under the > right circumstances, a fellow dirtbiker told me this. Made sense since the > switch worked perfectly under normal circumstances. > Chris > > >-- End of excerpt from xcontrol@erols.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:42:23 -0500 (EST) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: O-ring I'm wondering if the presence-absence of a large sealing O-ring in the air cleaner box is tied to year of production. I'm quite sure there was no O-ring in the airbox of my 1994 PC, which I fitted with a K&N filter in 1999. Perhaps the O-ring was used in the 1989 PC, and dropped from later years? ====================================================================== Selden Deemer Atlanta, Georgia EMAIL: libssd@emory.edu ====================================================================== -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:59:21 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: Subject: Re: PC800: On Scooters and Retracting Penises ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaPC800Rider@aol.com > There's one fellow with whom I work who supposedly owns a Harley-Davidson > Fat Boy. ...Funny, I never seem to see his Fat Boy the parking > lot. And even if I did, I'd probably have a very difficult time discerning > _his_ "custom" bike from every other "custom" bike in the parking lot > (there are one or two). But he still swears _his_ bike is unique. Sure. > Just like everybody else's. Sounds like humorist Dave Barry's comment about seeing one of those rough individualistic Harley-type guys. He said he could tell that's what he was because he dressed just like all the other rough individualistic Harley-type guys. Chris Norloff -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vK.4.02.00.10 201-232-116-110 license 1dc0b39e31881b14e43eebad2dae5270) for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 07:59:40 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve Wilson" To: "PC 800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: Re: O-ring Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 07:09:43 -0600 My 95 had one, or two. I've slept since then so I don't remember how many. I saved them but they are in the shed out back and I am not going out in the snow to count em. :-) Steve Wilson Ruston LA. ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Selden Deemer" > I'm wondering if the presence-absence of a large sealing O-ring in the > air cleaner box is tied to year of production. I'm quite sure there > was no O-ring in the airbox of my 1994 PC, which I fitted with a K&N > filter in 1999. Perhaps the O-ring was used in the 1989 PC, and dropped > from later years? > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: sge2000@att.net by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with SMTP Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:04:24 +0000 To: "Will Edwards" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) Subject: Re: PC800: How Big a Butthead Are You? Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 14:04:24 +0000 Thanks, Will. You are precisely correct. Perhaps we should measure from the top of the trailing edge of the top shelter (the fake tank), where it meets the front of the (stock) seat. And specify which seat we have: Your height Your inseam Your Butthead Index Brand of seat, or any modifications to the stock seat Brand and size of windshield; how it relates to your line of sight; and whether you would prefer it or another (specified) height for yourself For example, my info: My height is 5' 10". My inseam is 29". I am a 30.5" Butthead. Stock '89 PC seat My windshield is the stock '89. My line of sight is so far above the top that I may someday be able to actually see the windshield...when I get bifocals. (In other words, soon!) Will, I notice that you and Ralph (the first two respondents) haven't specified how big a Butthead you are...gonna share with us? -- Steve Ewens Lee's Summit, MO iPCRC #1044 '89 PC800 Butthead Index: 30.5 Survival Index: 76 > Your going to need info on the type of seat. A stock, Russell or Corbin all > place you at different heights. My Russell seat is a little higher than a > stock seat, and I hear the Corbin's are a little lower. > > Will > Washington state > 96 PC800 > Focus your eyes to where you want to be, > Not to where you are afraid of falling to... > . > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Thu, 4 Jan 2001 06:58:16 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "tteulon" To: "Pc800@Hpc. Uh. Edu \(E-mail\)" Cc: "'Selden Deemer'" Subject: RE: PC800: Re: O-ring Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:04:32 -0600 Importance: Normal Hi Selden, I have a 97 PC-800 and there was an O-ring both on the base side and the lid side. It is very well imbedded and perhaps that is why people have trouble seeing them. You could probably more accurately call it a rubber seal as opposed to an O-ring. See a picture at http://www.geocities.com/rgv_zazen/pc_o-ring.jpg Todd Teulon South Texas "Zeniac" 97 PC-800 -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of Selden Deemer Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 7:42 AM To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: O-ring I'm wondering if the presence-absence of a large sealing O-ring in the air cleaner box is tied to year of production. I'm quite sure there was no O-ring in the airbox of my 1994 PC, which I fitted with a K&N filter in 1999. Perhaps the O-ring was used in the 1989 PC, and dropped from later years? ====================================================================== Selden Deemer Atlanta, Georgia EMAIL: libssd@emory.edu ====================================================================== -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Rich Fenwick" To: "'Selden Deemer'" , "'PC 800 List'" Subject: RE: PC800: Re: O-ring Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:11:34 -0600 Importance: Normal >Perhaps the O-ring was used in the 1989 PC, and dropped >from later years? No, my 1990 had them when I installed my K&N... Rich Fenwick http://pc_800.tripod.com 1990 Honda PC800 - 33,000 miles -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of Selden Deemer Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 7:42 AM To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: O-ring I'm wondering if the presence-absence of a large sealing O-ring in the air cleaner box is tied to year of production. I'm quite sure there was no O-ring in the airbox of my 1994 PC, which I fitted with a K&N filter in 1999. Perhaps the O-ring was used in the 1989 PC, and dropped from later years? ====================================================================== Selden Deemer Atlanta, Georgia EMAIL: libssd@emory.edu ====================================================================== -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:10:33 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: Subject: RE: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz Actually, when I said "How do I view motorcycling?" that was to indicate that this was for my situation. Motorcycling is faster for me because I can ride the HOV (commuter) lanes, and park under my building right next to the door (in a half-size less-than-half-payment parking slot). Not everyone would be able to take advantages like that, but they're applicable to me and motorcycles. For waiting on traffic lights, do you mean ones where the sensor doesn't detect the bike? I sure know what you mean. Stopping over the "cut line" in the pavement can do the trick, as well as experimenting with different stopping positions if the cut lines are not visible. Highway departments are sometimes responsive to a call about a malfunctioning sensor. Also, it's good to know what the law says about a "malfunctioning traffic signal" - you may be legally able to go through it. For me, I changed my route a little so I can check traffic before I get on the HOV lanes and this got me away from the malfunctioning sensor, too. best, Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Wakefield, Steve L." Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:10:32 -0600 >I agree with the following EXCEPT for the "faster" part. By the time I get >all the gear on, wheel the bike out of the garage, start it up, find the >remote for the garage door, stow the remote for the garage door, etc, I >could have been two miles down the road in the pickup. > >Oh, and don't EVEN get me started about waiting on traffic lights (but we >discussed that one already). > >SWake > >-----Original Message----- >From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@norloff.com] >Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 12:02 PM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Re: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz > > >82. > >Yeah, they kind of missed the point that motorcycles can be used for daily >transport. > >How do I view motorcycling? As a way to get to work - faster, more fun, and >less expensive than the alternatives. Something enjoyable you can do while >you're doing something else (commuting to work). > >sigh. > >Chris Norloff >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 08:12:42 -0600 Subject: Re: PC800: Kill Switch From: Daryl Tschoepe To: PC800 Wow, Now the exotic use some other folks have had for it, but ignition on and kill switch off is a great way to pump out oil and coolant when changing same. Feeling pedestrian, Daryl -- Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. -- P.J. O'Rourke -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:13:29 -0500 From: Dave Bartlett To: eddie Cc: Revill Dunn , PC800 List Subject: Re: PC800: Kill Switch On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 06:59:06AM -0500, eddie wrote: -> I once went over kinda of hard in deep sand on my Transalp and slightly -> buried the nose. The "kill" switch was all I could get to in a hurry. Beyond -> that one time? No, I can't think of a reason I've used the switch to stop a -> running engine. I HAVE used it to prevent an engine from running until the -> oil light goes out after a filter and oil change, however. The MSF teaches you to use the kill switch to stop a bike every time. When you stop, you should have the clutch in, and the front brake should be active also... so reaching for the key means you aren't doing both of them... it also reinforces using the kill switch in an emergency situation when you use it all the time. - dlb -- +----------------------+----------------------+-------------------------+ | Dave Bartlett | Email: dlb@cisco.com | '98 Valkyrie Tourer | | System Administrator | | '99 Valkyrie Interstate | | | | | +----------------------+----------------------+-------------------------+ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:17:58 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-PC800" Subject: PC800: Faster warmup? I've been wondering if I should partially block the radiator for the engine to warm up faster in very cold weather. I commute only about 4 miles, and the temperatures have been in the 20's (deg F) for the last couple weeks. The temp gauge barely shows any warming by the time I get to work. Considering how cold the air is, I wonder if the warm-up is slow even with the thermostat operating as it should be (closed until the engine warms up). your thoughts? Chris Norloff -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: "Ron Grant" , "PC800 group" Subject: Re: PC800: Body by Tupperware decal? Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 06:29:34 -0800 That would be yours truly, Ron: Body by Tupperware =20 in black or silver $8.00 the pair. Send me your address, I send the decals and a preaddressed envelope for = your return of the loot. Lee Barker 95 "Secondo con Brio" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ron Grant=20 To: PC800 group=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 3:12 PM Subject: PC800: Body by Tupperware decal? If these are still available, would the gentleman who has them please = contact me? Now that I have painted my other helix to match my other helix, I need = another decal. Thanks Ron Grant in Brisbane Australia! Motorcycle Travel Web Page www.powerup.com.au/~ultspnch and a=20 preaddressed envelope for your return of the loot.
 
Lee Barker
95 "Secondo con Brio"
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ron=20 Grant
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, = 2001 3:12=20 PM
Subject: PC800: Body by = Tupperware=20 decal?

If these are still available, would the = gentleman who=20 has them please contact me?
 
Now that I have painted my other helix to = match my other=20 helix, I need another decal.
 
Thanks
 
 
Ron Grant in Brisbane Australia!
 
Motorcycle Travel Web Page
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-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Revill Dunn" Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:22:31 -0600 "PC800: Faster warmup?" (Jan 4, 9:17am) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Faster warmup? My PC never gets above the "cold" mark unless the ambient is over 50 F. I've been wondering if that is increasing wear or something. Seems like it doesn't have a thermostat in the coolant line or something, like you're not supposed to drive unless it's balmy. None of my aircooled bikes had thermostats either, so I guess they can survive. Blocking the radiator might help,but what a pain. I wonder how difficult it would be to add an automotive tstat? Revill Usually (not today) rider of Wirby -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: sge2000@att.net by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with SMTP for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:30:58 +0000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) Subject: Re: PC800: How Big a Butthead Are You? Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 14:30:57 +0000 Lee, That's TRULY disgusting! Too bad I didn't think of it in the first place. Steve > Ralph-- > > Good idea, but the label needs work. > > Pubis-proboscis is more accurate. > > Lee > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "PC800 List" > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 8:45 PM > Subject: PC800: How Big a Butthead Are You? > > > > The recent postings about windshield height have > > motivated me to offer for the list's consideration a new > > way to share info about rider physiology and appropriate > > windshields. Which I am pleased to call the Butthead > > Index. > > > > Sit on your PC, in as nearly a normal riding posture as > > you can. Measure from the front edge of the seat top > > vertically to a point straight in front of your eyes. > > This distance is your Butthead Index. > > > > Although there are imperfections with the Butthead > > Index, I offer it in hopes that it will be better than > > height and inseam measurements, which do not directly > > address the territory being compared. > > > > The problems I see with the Butthead Index are the > > possibility that one's static posture will not > > accurately mimic posture while riding; the difficulty in > > ensuring that the measurement device is vertical; and > > ambiguity in determining the actual height of one's eyes > > without a level or some such device. However, I think > > it still may offer interesting info. I would welcome > > any suggestions of modifications to this procedure that > > would improve it. > > > > Anyone care to share their personal info with the list? > > I envision a format such as this: > > > > Your height > > Your inseam > > Your Butthead Index > > Brand and size of windshield; how it relates to your > > line of sight; and whether you would prefer it or > > another (specified) height for yourself > > > > For example, my info: > > > > My height is 5' 10". > > My inseam is 29". > > I am a 30.5" Butthead. > > My windshield is the stock '89. My line of sight is so > > far above the top that I may someday be able to actually > > see the windshield...when I get bifocals. (In other > > words, soon!) > > > > -- > > Steve Ewens > > Lee's Summit, MO > > iPCRC #1044 > > '89 PC800 > > Butthead Index: 30.5 > > Survival Index: 76 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: sge2000@att.net by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with SMTP for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:32:20 +0000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) Subject: Re: PC800: How Big a Butthead Are You? Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 14:32:20 +0000 I knew you would come through for us, Ralph! Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "PC800 List" > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 10:45 PM > Subject: PC800: How Big a Butthead Are You? > > > > The recent postings about windshield height have > > motivated me to offer for the list's consideration a new > > way to share info about rider physiology and appropriate > > windshields. Which I am pleased to call the Butthead > > Index. > > > > Give me a couple days and I'll come up with a "Bevis Index." > > Ralph Couey > Columbia, MO > '95 PC800 "Seishin No Yomichi" > "A life lived without risk is no life at all." > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Rich Fenwick" To: "'Revill Dunn'" , Subject: RE: PC800: Faster warmup? Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:40:57 -0600 Importance: Normal According to the Service Manual, the PC does have a thermostat. It is mounted in the Thermostat body assembly. The radiator cap completes the top of the thermostat body assembly. It looks to be a replaceable item, if one believes it to be faulty. I would guess that when one drains the anti-freeze, that the thermostat should be visable with the radiator cap removed. I had my PC out for a 10 mile run on Christmas Day (the air temperature was 12 degrees), and my temp gauge needle did rise a little. Rich Fenwick http://pc_800.tripod.com 1990 Honda PC800 - 33,000 miles -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of Revill Dunn Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 8:23 AM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Faster warmup? My PC never gets above the "cold" mark unless the ambient is over 50 F. I've been wondering if that is increasing wear or something. Seems like it doesn't have a thermostat in the coolant line or something, like you're not supposed to drive unless it's balmy. None of my aircooled bikes had thermostats either, so I guess they can survive. Blocking the radiator might help,but what a pain. I wonder how difficult it would be to add an automotive tstat? Revill Usually (not today) rider of Wirby -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 10:50:41 -0400 To: From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: RE: PC800: Faster warmup? I regularly ride mine in subfreezing temperatures and the temperature guage will creep up a bit after a while too, and on Dec 23rd it was fairly nice here and I was buzzing around town doing last-minute Xmas shopping and the fan actually came on! -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 07:14:14 -0800 (PST) From: Roger Ries Subject: Re: PC800: Re: O-ring To: PC800 When I put in a K & N filter in my '98 this last summer there was two o-rings. Actually they are more square then round and they also are kind of spot glue in place. --- Selden Deemer wrote: > I'm wondering if the presence-absence of a large sealing O-ring in > the > air cleaner box is tied to year of production. I'm quite sure there > was no O-ring in the airbox of my 1994 PC, which I fitted with a K&N > filter in 1999. Perhaps the O-ring was used in the 1989 PC, and > dropped > from later years? > > ====================================================================== > Selden Deemer > Atlanta, Georgia EMAIL: > libssd@emory.edu > ====================================================================== ===== Later Roger R Chaska, MN '98 PC800W - Red Alert (a.k.a. Ketchup) PCRC #46, HSTA #8516RG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Importance: Normal ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Gregory Pius" Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 10:50:34 -0500 01/04/2001 10:50:36 AM I got a dismal 66--but only because I'm a relative newbie! Gregory (Your Friendly Neighborhood Sysadmin) <.sig> Gregory Pius, System Administrator IBM Advanced Technologies, Ft. Lauderdale, Florida piusg@us.ibm.com Tie Line 599-6940 - Voice (954)-958-6940 - Mobile (954)-658-256= 6 AOL Instant Messenger: GWPius "Russ Goff" @hpc.uh.edu on 01/04/2001 04:17:14 AM Please respond to "Russ Goff" Sent by: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "PC 800 LIST" cc: Subject: Re: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz 82 because I just love black leather and open face helmets :-} and weve on= ly got 8 hours of daylight at the moment so night riding is a necessity. Russ bikes@f-goff.co.uk PCRC #777 HOC #17010 City & Guilds Motorcycle Mechanic Milton Keynes '89 Honda PC800 "Obelix" '90 LandRover Discovery LPG V8i ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Arvid L=F8vik To: PC 800 LIST Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 12:19 AM Subject: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz Who beats my 92 points ?? http://www.activebike.com/mcquide/mcquide.htm Regards Arvid L=F8vik -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a= message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. = -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-57968U12500L1250S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:01:06 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Carl Luft" To: "pc800 mailing list" Subject: Re: PC800: Faster warmup? Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 10:57:53 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: PC800: Faster warmup? > I've been wondering if I should partially block the radiator for the engine to warm up faster in very cold weather. > > I commute only about 4 miles, and the temperatures have been in the 20's (deg F) for the last couple weeks. The temp gauge barely shows any warming by the time I get to work. > > Considering how cold the air is, I wonder if the warm-up is slow even with the thermostat operating as it should be (closed until the engine warms up). > > your thoughts? > > Chris Norloff You can block the radiator with some cardboard but leave some radiator exposed. I do this every winter with my car and it warms up almost as fast as summer. the reason we have water cooled engins is so it warms up to a constant temp quickly then stays there. That increases engine life. When I mount the cardboard, I don't put it against the radiator but support it so it's about 1-2 CM away, so the air is restricted but not blocked. Don't forget to remove it in the spring Carl Luft PC800 'Proteus' Wernersville, PA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 15:59:45 0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Hall, Randy" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Kill Switch Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 07:59:39 -0800 I have to admit that since the MSF class, the "Kill" -- -- "Engine Cut-off" switch is the first thing I flip when I'm parking the bike. I come to a stop, put it in neutral, stick the back tire against a curb (or in the parking stall) and *flip* the switch. Only then do I turn the ignition key off. YMMV, as usual. Randy -- Randy Hall (randy.hall@intel.com/randy_hall@earthling.net) '98 PC800: "The Amazing No-Name" ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED ARE MINE MINE MINE! -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BillandScoot@cs.com [mailto:BillandScoot@cs.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 6:07 PM To: revill.dunn@legerity.com; pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Kill Switch Revill, Someone, somewhere told me to turn the bike off with the kill switch, before turning off the key. Have I ever done it? Nope. In fact I have been embarrased a time or two when the kill switch had been turned off (kids etc, ?) and I didn't notice. Most embarrasing moment was on my old DT250. Had only kick start. Kicked and Kicked and Kicked. Wife asked: what is this little red button??????? Bill Richardson 98PC"Scoot" San Antonio iPCRC #906 HRCA #001137 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: CBike@aol.com for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:53:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:53:25 EST Subject: PC800: Steer Tube Bearings? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Noticed stiffness in steering and when fron wheel lifted off the ground noticed notchy feeling in steering. The same issue on a bicycle indicates worn races/bearings in the steer tube system. Has anyone had this problem and if so what was the cure. new bearings races, repack bearings etc? 89 with 28K Thanks Charlie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Revill Dunn" Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:07:16 -0600 "PC800: Steer Tube Bearings?" (Jan 4, 11:53am) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Steer Tube Bearings? Steering head bearings going out? Yeah, I've done that. Sometimes you can clean it up by tightening the bearings, but an 89? I'd bet you have some corrosion. Get it too tight and you'll break the race, and that could cause a wreck. (Suddenly it WON'T TURN! WHOOPS! Hello, Mr. Asphault.) I've not replaced the bearings on a PC, but on the bikes I have done this on, it really makes a MAJOR difference in steering "crispness" and willingness of the bike to follow a line YOU pick. Fix it! If the PC doesn't use tapered roller bearings, replace the ball set with tapered roller bearings. They will last forever and are just about immune to overtightening. Ok. I haven't experience with forever. Another ten years? Is that good enough? This is something you can do yourself if you don't mind getting really really greasy and whacking on your bike with a piece of wood and a hammer. Revill Rider of Whirby On Jan 4, 11:53am, CBike@aol.com wrote: > Subject: PC800: Steer Tube Bearings? > Noticed stiffness in steering and when fron wheel lifted off the ground > noticed notchy feeling in steering. The same issue on a bicycle indicates > worn races/bearings in the steer tube system. Has anyone had this problem and > if so what was the cure. new bearings races, repack bearings etc? > > 89 with 28K > > Thanks > Charlie > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >-- End of excerpt from CBike@aol.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: "'Hansen, Hal'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: windshields Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:55:25 -0500 Foist of all, does anyone other than me know or care about the actual root of the expression "rule of thumb?" It use to refer to the thickness of a branch with which a man might legally beat "his woman." Due to the reference, I don't use the phrase, and I make a point to tell others who may possibly share my feelings. (I know that along with our fierce independence, male PCers are ALL sensitive new-age guys!). And before you ask, yes, I still like my old R n R despite the obvious sexist meanings of most of the words. I think there is a world of difference between singing silly songs that reveal more about the singer than the subject and describing the conditions under which it is acceptable to hurt someone. Anyhoo...Yes, Hal, there is a lot of talk about windshields. I instigated some of it a few months ago, and I am nearing ownership of a Clearview. As for height and coverage, I personally want to be behind the windshield for reasons of noise mostly, but also comfort. I will leave the joys of "bugs in the teeth" to the other riders who may prefer that experience. I took the recommendations of the vendor on height after describing myself and my preferences, and ordered one that would direct the wind up and over the top of my helmet--I think it was +3". I don't know from an actual comparison test, but I am told that there may be a slight penalty in gas mileage. But there may be a little offsetting aero advantage, too. And, no, it is not a pandora's box. This is what we live for, outside of riding, that is. -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Hansen, Hal [mailto:hal@anthonydoors.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 10:33 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: windshields recently bought a 96 PC with 200 actual miles on it... a fantastic motorcycle that i really love to ride, with one little exception.... the windshield! i am 6'2" and the stock shield doesn't provide as much protection as i think it should .... i would like to now open Pandora's box and solicit everybody's thoughts on the different companies (Rifle, Clearview, etc) and what height might be best for me.... is there a rule of thumb about where the top of the windshield should line up on your face? will a larger one affect gas mileage? thanks, all input is appreciated hal 96 PC800 ("Rusty") sensitive new-age guys!). And before you ask, yes, I still like my old R n R despite the obvious sexist meanings of most of the words. I think there is a world of difference between singing silly songs that reveal more about the singer than the subject and describing the conditions under which it is acceptable to hurt someone.
 
Anyhoo...Yes, Hal, there is a lot of talk about windshields. I instigated some of it a few months ago, and I am nearing ownership of a Clearview. As for height and coverage, I personally want to be behind the windshield for reasons of noise mostly, but also comfort. I will leave the joys of "bugs in the teeth" to the other riders who may prefer that experience. I took the recommendations of the vendor on height after describing myself and my preferences, and ordered one that would direct the wind up and over the top of my helmet--I think it was +3". I don't know from an actual comparison test, but I am told that there may be a slight penalty in gas mileage. But there may be a little offsetting aero advantage, too. And, no, it is not a pandora's box. This is what we live for, outside of riding, that is.
-----Original Message-----
From: Hansen, Hal [mailto:hal@anthonydoors.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 10:33 PM
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: windshields

recently bought a 96 PC with 200 actual miles on it...
a fantastic motorcycle that i really love to ride, with one little exception....
the windshield! i am 6'2" and the stock shield doesn't provide as much
protection as i think it should ....

i would like to now open Pandora's box and solicit everybody's thoughts
on the different companies (Rifle, Clearview, etc) and what height
might be best for me.... is there a rule of thumb about where the top
of the windshield should line up on your face? will a larger one affect
gas mileage?

thanks, all input is appreciated

hal
96 PC800 ("Rusty")

 




Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: "'sge2000@att.net'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: How Big a Butthead Are You? Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:59:54 -0500 Great idee, Steve. I'll gather my own info. Wanna set up a database, or table or something? -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: sge2000@att.net [mailto:sge2000@att.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 11:46 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: How Big a Butthead Are You? The recent postings about windshield height have motivated me to offer for the list's consideration a new way to share info about rider physiology and appropriate windshields. Which I am pleased to call the Butthead Index. Sit on your PC, in as nearly a normal riding posture as you can. Measure from the front edge of the seat top vertically to a point straight in front of your eyes. This distance is your Butthead Index. Although there are imperfections with the Butthead Index, I offer it in hopes that it will be better than height and inseam measurements, which do not directly address the territory being compared. The problems I see with the Butthead Index are the possibility that one's static posture will not accurately mimic posture while riding; the difficulty in ensuring that the measurement device is vertical; and ambiguity in determining the actual height of one's eyes without a level or some such device. However, I think it still may offer interesting info. I would welcome any suggestions of modifications to this procedure that would improve it. Anyone care to share their personal info with the list? I envision a format such as this: Your height Your inseam Your Butthead Index Brand and size of windshield; how it relates to your line of sight; and whether you would prefer it or another (specified) height for yourself For example, my info: My height is 5' 10". My inseam is 29". I am a 30.5" Butthead. My windshield is the stock '89. My line of sight is so far above the top that I may someday be able to actually see the windshield...when I get bifocals. (In other words, soon!) -- Steve Ewens Lee's Summit, MO iPCRC #1044 '89 PC800 Butthead Index: 30.5 Survival Index: 76 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Dan Masi" To: Subject: Rule of thumb, was RE: PC800: windshields Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:07:12 -0500 Importance: Normal -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Goldberg, Saul [mailto:sgoldber@mc.cc.md.us] Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 12:55 PM To: 'Hansen, Hal'; pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: windshields Foist of all, does anyone other than me know or care about the actual root of the expression "rule of thumb?" It use to refer to the thickness of a branch with which a man might legally beat "his woman." Due to the reference, I don't use the phrase, and I make a point to tell others who may possibly share my feelings. This supposed etymology has been bandied about for quite some time, but IMO it's not nearly well enough known, or even well enough proven, to warrant avoiding it and asking others to do the same!! For much more than you probably want to know, see http://www.urbanlegends.com/language/etymology/rule_of_thumb.html Dan Masi '90 PC (for sale in NJ) ">http://www.urbanlegends.com/language/etymology/rule_of_thumb.html
 
Dan Masi
'90 PC (for sale in = NJ)
 
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: sge2000@att.net by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with SMTP Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:35:53 +0000 To: "Goldberg, Saul" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) Subject: RE: PC800: How Big a Butthead Are You? Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 18:35:53 +0000 Good idea, Saul. If I get any SERIOUS responses, I will compile them and make the results available in some way. Will Edwards pointed out that seats differ, so we need to specify what type of seat we have. Also, we should measure from the trailing edge of the top shelter (the fake "tank") rather than from the seat, since the location of the seat varies. Steve > Great idee, Steve. I'll gather my own info. Wanna set up a database, or > table or something? > > -----Original Message----- > From: sge2000@att.net [mailto:sge2000@att.net] > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 11:46 PM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: How Big a Butthead Are You? > > > The recent postings about windshield height have > motivated me to offer for the list's consideration a new > way to share info about rider physiology and appropriate > windshields. Which I am pleased to call the Butthead > Index. > > Sit on your PC, in as nearly a normal riding posture as > you can. Measure from the front edge of the seat top > vertically to a point straight in front of your eyes. > This distance is your Butthead Index. > > Although there are imperfections with the Butthead > Index, I offer it in hopes that it will be better than > height and inseam measurements, which do not directly > address the territory being compared. > > The problems I see with the Butthead Index are the > possibility that one's static posture will not > accurately mimic posture while riding; the difficulty in > ensuring that the measurement device is vertical; and > ambiguity in determining the actual height of one's eyes > without a level or some such device. However, I think > it still may offer interesting info. I would welcome > any suggestions of modifications to this procedure that > would improve it. > > Anyone care to share their personal info with the list? > I envision a format such as this: > > Your height > Your inseam > Your Butthead Index > Brand and size of windshield; how it relates to your > line of sight; and whether you would prefer it or > another (specified) height for yourself > > For example, my info: > > My height is 5' 10". > My inseam is 29". > I am a 30.5" Butthead. > My windshield is the stock '89. My line of sight is so > far above the top that I may someday be able to actually > see the windshield...when I get bifocals. (In other > words, soon!) > > -- > Steve Ewens > Lee's Summit, MO > iPCRC #1044 > '89 PC800 > Butthead Index: 30.5 > Survival Index: 76 > > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 13:01:53 -0600 Subject: PC800: Windshields, Rule of thumb, and freedom From: Daryl Tschoepe To: ================= On topic content ================= I'll get a taller Rifle for my Coastie at some point, so I don't have to duck to get out of the buffeting zone... since it was on when I purchased, I don't know what size it is. ======================== Kinda Off topic content ======================== Dan's on the right track... More evidence of this supposed PC interpretation of the "rule of thumb" as a modern feminist invention.. http://www.debunker.com/texts/ruleofthumb.html http://www.straightdope.com/columns/000512.html And this last reference actually provides evidence that wife-beating "has never been a widely accepted legal principal, and that the phrase itself has not had the wife-beating overtones until recently." Admittedly, later in the reference we find "...research leads us to conclude that there was a popular (though far from universal) perception as early as 1782 that wife beating was acceptable and that a thumb standard for the instrument was appropriate." http://dynamic.uoregon.edu/~jjf/essays/ruleofthumb.html Personally, I cringe at referring to the 'Coastie as a "PC", due to the overtones of "political correctness", even though I know over a decade of employment at one of the most PC companies has left me scarred. I reflexively shy away from certain expression and thoughts in a way that George Orwell would find thrilling... Exposure to the Australian VTR list has wakened me to the fact that political correctness is a luxury we US citizens are afforded because we have no real injustices left to complain about. Therefore the hate mongers amongst us must fabricate "perceived injustices" the rest of the world finds loony ranging to incomprehensible. Why? Simple. In many parts of the world, worshipping the wrong deity, or even having a different interpretation of the same holy book can STILL get you killed. Isn't it nice to live in a country where we can debate over trivialities such as whether or not we should continue to use 300-year old phrases without fear of the military crashing through our door because we have a Bible in the house? Or that we don't? Or that our motorcycle is the wrong color? Political Correctness, Feminism and other forms of thought policing are like gourmet cooking, you only worry about it when you're assured that you'll have enough to eat. Likewise, you only tell other people how to think when you realize you have the freedom to think any way you like... Interestingly enough, extreme PC-ness is almost exclusively found in native-born US citizens. Those who have immigrated from places where real injustice still thrives, know better. Only recently have I realized how fortunate I am to enjoy the fruits of US citizenship, for which, sadly, I have done little to earn. I am part of a spoiled generation... Very few of us born in the US know how good we have it, and fewer still appreciate it as much as those trying to get here to share in what is still a beacon of individual liberty for the rest of the world. Anybody know the immigration rate for China? I'm sure this will get me labeled Cro-Magnon by some, but maybe I'll spur a thought or two as well. To the vets in the group, thank you for your service, and for your part in giving us a country where folks feel safe enough to speak their mind. Even when they are well intentioned and have their facts a little muddled... Waiting for the pendulum to swing back, Daryl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Goldberg, Saul [mailto:sgoldber@mc.cc.md.us] > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 12:55 PM > To: 'Hansen, Hal'; pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: RE: PC800: windshields > > > Foist of all, does anyone other than me know or care about the actual root > of the expression "rule of thumb?" It use to refer to the thickness of a > branch with which a man might legally beat "his woman." Due to the > reference, I don't use the phrase, and I make a point to tell others who > may possibly share my feelings. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:33:31 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ben Crisologo" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Gasoline Octane for PC Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 19:33:31 This may be a dumb question, but what do the majority of PC800 riders put in their gas tanks in terms of the regular, high or premium octane gas? I have always assumed that higher is better, i.e. less knock, more cleaning power, etc. however, I got the impression from sometime past in reading the comments that this may not necessarily be so, and that putting in the regular i.e. 87 rating may be enough? Ben Crisologo 95 PC800 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail.aeroinc.net with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.20.01 AS-0098309) for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:39:31 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael & Marlisa Gunderson" To: "PC 800 LIST" Subject: Re: PC800: Kill Switch Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:41:22 -0600 OK here's a funny story about the use of the engine cutoff switch. I once worked with the guy that is my mechanic now and he relayed this = story to me... Jim (name has not been changed to protect the stupid) came into a lot of money. He decided to buy as brand spankin' new Honda CBR-600. He paid cash for it. Had it home one day and went out to start it to go out = riding. Engine cranks, won't start. Choke it...still nothing. Blood pressure rising.... Tried to let it sit...maybe he flooded it? Half an hour later...still nothing. Called friends over and lifted to the back of = his NEW pickup truck. Yep, paid cash for that too. Drove the bike to the = Honda dealer. By now he's almost livid with anger! Went in and told Jeff, my mechanic, what's wrong with this piece of _ _ _ _? It won't = start!!!!!!!! Jeff went out, performed the F.I.N.E.C. (Fuel valve on, Ignition On, Neutral, Engine Cutoff Switch, Choke & Clutch) MSF checklist and upon = the E (Engine Cutoff Switch) found that it was in the OFF position. Flipped = it back on and VIOLA....600cc's of raw motorcycling pleasure. Well, by = this time, Jim was ready to crawl under the nearest rock he could find. Six months later, guess who calls the dealer from the McDonalds parking = lot when his PC wouldn't start? Yep, yours truly. Used the cutoff switch because I was parking on a sloped parking area and didn't want to let go = of the bars, brake or clutch. No rocks available when Jeff asked me if I = had used the cutoff switch. Never heard the end of that one! Especially = since I laughed at the "Jim Story" so uncontrollably. Worst part is that my permanent passenger --wife-- was along that day. Guess what she asks frequently when we are starting out? Gotta Love those spouses! Embarrassingly yours, Mike Gunderson over and lifted to the back of his
NEW pickup truck.  Yep, paid = cash for=20 that too.  Drove the bike to the Honda
dealer.  By now he's = almost=20 livid with anger!  Went in and told Jeff, my
mechanic, what's = wrong with=20 this piece of _ _ _ _?  It won't start!!!!!!!!
Jeff went out, = performed=20 the F.I.N.E.C.  (Fuel valve on,  Ignition On,
Neutral, = Engine=20 Cutoff Switch, Choke & Clutch)   MSF checklist and upon = the
E=20 (Engine Cutoff Switch) found that it was in the OFF position.  = Flipped=20 it
back on and VIOLA....600cc's of raw motorcycling pleasure.  = Well, by=20 this
time, Jim was ready to crawl under the nearest rock he could=20 find.

Six months later, guess who calls the dealer from the = McDonalds=20 parking lot
when his PC wouldn't start?  Yep, yours truly.  = Used=20 the cutoff switch
because I was parking on a sloped parking area and = didn't=20 want to let go of
the bars, brake or clutch.   No rocks = available=20 when Jeff asked me if I had
used the cutoff switch.  Never heard = the end=20 of that one!  Especially since
I laughed at the "Jim Story" so=20 uncontrollably.  Worst part is that my
permanent passenger = --wife-- was=20 along that day.  Guess what she asks
frequently when we are = starting=20 out?  Gotta Love those spouses!

Embarrassingly = yours,

Mike=20 Gunderson


-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:36:07 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: "ravet" , "Leland C. Sheppard" Cc: "Pacific Coast Owners" , "Ann Reid" , "Harvey Roady" , "Alan Nichols" , "Jim Alexander" , "Peter Noeth" , "Thomas E. Humphrey II" , "Chuck Wildman" , "Rick Corwine" , "Emile Nossin" , "Brian Millman" , "George Hilsinger" , "Joyce D. Calvert" , "J T Smith" , "David Silver" , "Kenneth Howze" , "Chris Bradley" , "Greg Castle" , "Gil Pitt" , "Jerry Williams" , "Glen Roddick" , "Roy and Julia Coss" , "Dean Williams" , "David Lister" , "Roger Ries" , "John Strode" , "Mike Kanitsch" , "Tim Macy" , "Jesus Soriano" , "Bruce Pickett" , "David Shumaker" , "Neill Thompson" , "Bruce Bowman" , "Rocky Harpole" , "Bob Walton" , "Jack Addington" , "Henry Tate" , "Philip Clarke" , "Paco Solis" , "Mike Durst" , "C J Cervantes" , "Rick Sener" , "Tina Wagner-Sult" , "Juan Antonio Goula" , "Jim Hart and Cindy Masiero" , "Tom Fraser" , "Chris Randol" , "Daryl Rozendal" Subject: PC800: Re: New Odyssey Name Badge Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 06:31:51 -0800 Could that have been Roger Ries? Lee ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "ravet" To: "Leland C. Sheppard" Cc: "Pacific Coast Owners" ; "Ann Reid" ; "Harvey Roady" ; "Alan Nichols" ; "Jim Alexander" ; "Peter Noeth" ; "Thomas E. Humphrey II" ; "Chuck Wildman" ; "Rick Corwine" ; "Emile Nossin" ; "Brian Millman" ; "George Hilsinger" ; "Joyce D. Calvert" ; "J T Smith" ; "David Silver" ; "Kenneth Howze" ; "Chris Bradley" ; "Greg Castle" ; "Gil Pitt" ; "Jerry Williams" ; "Glen Roddick" ; "Roy and Julia Coss" ; "Dean Williams" ; "David Lister" ; "Roger Ries" ; "John Strode" ; "Mike Kanitsch" ; "Tim Macy" ; "Jesus Soriano" ; "Bruce Pickett" ; "David Shumaker" ; "Neill Thompson" ; "Bruce Bowman" ; "Rocky Harpole" ; "Bob Walton" ; "Lee Barker" ; "Jack Addington" ; "Henry Tate" ; "Philip Clarke" ; "Paco Solis" ; "Mike Durst" ; "C J Cervantes" ; "Rick Sener" ; "Tina Wagner-Sult" ; "Juan Antonio Goula" ; "Jim Hart and Cindy Masiero" ; "Tom Fraser" ; "Chris Rand ol" ; "Daryl Rozendal" Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 9:55 PM Subject: Re: New Odyssey Name Badge > Hi everyone, > > This is Rodney the one day rider on the Y2K ride. In the time I was > with the group one bike had a set of riding lights mounted under his > head light. Well I kept seeing that site and wanted the same for my > bike. And although I can almost see the owners face I did not get his > name, so if he is still on the list, could he tell me where he got his > brackets and lights? > > I ask, because I purchased some lights but the front fender has mad > contact with the way I mounted them under the head light, and his were > far enough to the side to be clear of the fender. > > So could he or someone give me some info?????? > > Rodney > 97-Slow Red > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:36:03 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 21:55:06 -0800 From: ravet To: "Leland C. Sheppard" Harvey Roady , Alan Nichols , Jim Alexander , Peter Noeth , "Thomas E. Humphrey II" , Chuck Wildman , Rick Corwine , Emile Nossin , Brian Millman , George Hilsinger , "Joyce D. Calvert" , J T Smith , David Silver , Kenneth Howze , Chris Bradley , Greg Castle , Gil Pitt , Jerry Williams , Glen Roddick , Roy and Julia Coss , Dean Williams , David Lister , Roger Ries , John Strode , Mike Kanitsch , Tim Macy , Jesus Soriano , Bruce Pickett , David Shumaker , Neill Thompson , Bruce Bowman , Rocky Harpole , Bob Walton , Lee Barker , Jack Addington , Henry Tate , Philip Clarke , Paco Solis , Mike Durst , C J Cervantes , Rick Sener , Tina Wagner-Sult , Juan Antonio Goula , Jim Hart and Cindy Masiero , Tom Fraser , Chris Randol , Daryl Rozendal Subject: PC800: Re: New Odyssey Name Badge Hi everyone, This is Rodney the one day rider on the Y2K ride. In the time I was with the group one bike had a set of riding lights mounted under his head light. Well I kept seeing that site and wanted the same for my bike. And although I can almost see the owners face I did not get his name, so if he is still on the list, could he tell me where he got his brackets and lights? I ask, because I purchased some lights but the front fender has mad contact with the way I mounted them under the head light, and his were far enough to the side to be clear of the fender. So could he or someone give me some info?????? Rodney 97-Slow Red -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:41:07 -0400 To: "Ben Crisologo" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: Gasoline Octane for PC This is another religious issue. My creed: "Put in the lowest octane that doesn't knock." Higher octanes do NOT provide more power (less, on the contrary) or more cleaning, is not in any way "Nicer to your engine." But, do your own research, come to your own conclusions. -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Revill Dunn" Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:44:39 -0600 "PC800: Windshields, Rule of thumb, and freedom" (Jan 4, 1:01pm) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Political Correctness You know, I've never heard the term "PC" used by anyone to describe THEMSELVES. It's always used to talk about someone else, usually coupled with either ranting or snide made up examples. Actual "political correctness" is can be found in just about any politics. Anti abortionists use the PC term "pro life". Anti pro lifers use the term "pro choice". Mostly conservatives use PC to pick on liberals, but that's mostly because liberals are less active at picking, being liberals, I think. Guilt and all that. Liberals are demonstratively better at guilt than conservatives. So, my personal opinion is that ANY use of the term PC or Politically Correct in ANY context that does not have the numerals 800 immediately following is most likely devoid of content and full of ****. Your milage may vary. Let the flaming begin. Revill Owner of the PC800 "Whirby" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:52:23 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Macy Subject: Re: PC800: Better to wait until spring to sell a PC8000 in Washington DC area? To: List PC800 --- BillandScoot@cs.com wrote: > I guess I will keep her for another 10 years or more (our 10th > anniversary is Thursday). Gee, Bill, what a guy! I hope she's not reading over your shoulder or you're not gonna make #11! OBTW, happy anniversary! We just celebrated our 29th. Marriage is a great institution...if you like living in institutions...! (Nan hits me every time I say that...) ===== Tim "Scuffy" Macy, Newberg,OR Stealthmobile - '94 Honda PC800 (121K) STealthmobile II - '99 Honda ST1100 ABS-II (18K) AMA #492485, HRCA #239441, HSTA #6030, RCMC, STOC #1571 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:04:16 -0500 To: "Ben Crisologo" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Gasoline Octane for PC Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 7:33 PM -0500 1/4/01, Ben Crisologo wrote: >This may be a dumb question, ...no such thing.. >but what do the majority of PC800 riders put in their gas tanks in >terms of the regular, high or premium octane gas? regular, and sometimes I use Methanol. > I have always assumed that higher is better, i.e. less knock, more >cleaning power, etc. That's the way the big gas companies market their products. You end up being convinced that more expensive is better. I've run premium in my bike, and the engine knocks, and I can't go as far on a tank. I only use Regular octane fuel now. I figure I can do something better with my money than literally burn it away. Ride safe. fsl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. <3A54103A.2C12@concentric.net> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:10:36 -0500 To: ravet From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Re: New Odyssey Name Badge Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 9:55 PM -0800 1/3/01, ravet wrote: > >This is Rodney the one day rider on the Y2K ride. In the time I was >with the group one bike had a set of riding lights mounted under his >head light. Hey there! I wasn't on the Y2K ride, even though I had planned on going for over a year, but last minute events conspired against me. I'm still mad about that... but that's another story.. I have a set of driving lights that mount under the headlights. they used to be in the middle, but I had them contact my front fender under heavy braking one day, and so the company sent me a retrofit that would space them apart farther. The lights are sold by The Electrical Connection, and are available from Sport Touring Accessories (http://www.sporttouringusa.com) at 800-889-5550 . Sport Touring Accessories sells a lot of the products from The Electrical Connection. Ride safe. fsl :-) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 15:09:10 -0500 Subject: Re(2): PC800: Gasoline Octane for PC To: fsl@borgconsulting.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: yankeesmuggler@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) fsl@borgconsulting.com writes: >At 7:33 PM -0500 1/4/01, Ben Crisologo wrote: >>This may be a dumb question, > >...no such thing.. Is it true there is less gravity in Canada than in the lower 48 states because it is farther away from the equator? Tim Davies Seneca Falls, New York 13148 '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:20:42 -0500 To: yankeesmuggler@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re(2): PC800: Gasoline Octane for PC Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 3:09 PM -0500 1/4/01, PC800 Rider wrote: > >Is it true there is less gravity in Canada than in the lower 48 states because >it is farther away from the equator? > >Tim Davies Yes, this is true. I weigh about 40 pounds more in the southern states than I do in Northern Ontario. fsl :-) *** Top 10 Reasons to Procrastinate *** 1. (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "eddie" To: "PC800 List" Subject: PC800: Engine Run/Stop switch: Part II Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:52:47 -0500 As an added bit of conscience clearing..... I still do the F.I.N.E.C. drill when I start my bikes. Sure, I don't turn the Run/Stop switch off but, someone might have - Just to play a joke on me. I know I've done it. }=)> Anyone who has ever wanted to get a bit of fun revenge with an insistant "my old bike is better than your new bike" nerd will appreciate this. I probably ought to remove and clean the one on my Transalp. It's old enough and un-used enough to make questionable contact. Usually when it's 30F outside and I'm at work, wanting to get home after a 14 hour shift. The PC? I actually use the R/S switch about 25% of the time. -eddie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:13:06 -0800 (PST) From: Christoffer Carstanjen Subject: Re: PC800: Gasoline Octane for PC To: Ben Crisologo , pc800@hpc.uh.edu It's not a dumb question..I believe it's a marketing ploy to use higher octane that has worked! Unless the manufacturer specifically recommends that you use high octane fuel in any vehicle, such as a Harley, I would say it's wasting money. ...there are expectations, such as motors that are old and/or could use a tune-up. Using a higher octane could reduce engine knocking, but some knocking in some engines is okay (really!). If I always used the bike's powerband properly, I wouldn't have knocking. One example would be being in 4th gear around 25 mph and expecting the bike to instantly accelerate without complaining. (This is the sportriders mailing list isn't it?) 87 down here in the flatlands is good enough - can't speak for the high altitudes which have 85 octane or lower... -------------- IONews I'mm outta here... Off to Toronto - which BTW my plans have changed from what's listed on the webpage. I'm staying at the Celebrity Budget Inn with the rest of the crew... So, I hope to see you all up there this weekend! --- Ben Crisologo wrote: > This may be a dumb question, but what do the > majority of PC800 riders put in > their gas tanks in terms of the regular, high or > premium octane gas? I have > always assumed that higher is better, i.e. less > knock, more cleaning power, > etc. however, I got the impression from sometime > past in reading the > comments that this may not necessarily be so, and > that putting in the > regular i.e. 87 rating may be enough? > > Ben Crisologo > 95 PC800 > > ===== Christoffer Carstanjen - 98PC800 Nebuchadnezzar AIM= christoffer67 - chat sometime? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaPC800Rider@aol.com for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:16:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:16:00 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Windshields, Rule of thumb, and freedom To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu While we are on the subject of windshields again, I feel the need to let some listers know that Honda still offers their Hondaline tall shield for the PC. It may not be a rigid as the Clearview, where the Hondaline does flex some in high speed touring, behind semi-trucks, etc., and supposedly the Clearview does not... I am very satisfied with the shield, with its hard Lexan surface that looks brand-new even now... When the time to buy came, the look of the Hondaline is clearly superior IMHO, matching the lines of the PC pretty well, whereas the Clearview makes the front of the PC look like a mini-GoldWing, too wide and flat. And the Rifle, sorry guys... That is one ugly windshield... YMMV... Troy Doyle '97 PC800 "Gabrielle" and '01 Chrysler 300M Summerville, SC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jeff Krause To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: BTW: Rifle +2" windsheild for sale / enjoying 75 degrees on Jan 4 th! Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:21:58 -0800 I went to a +7" Rifle last year and am only now thinking about finding a home for the previous +2" rifle that was on '800 MhZ' when I bought her. The shield is in good shape, does have a small crack at the edge of one of the mounting holes - halted permanently by drilling a tiny stress-relieving hole. The black PVC mounting base is brand new, still in the wrapper (I only switched the shield, left the original base on the bike), but I used most of the plastic washers during the retrofit. The shield is free if someone will give me $30US+ shipping for the base. Jeff Krause 95 PC '800 Mhz' 53,000 miles / 2400 mi/month 74 degF and clear today in Santa Barbara county! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaPC800Rider@aol.com for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:23:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:23:48 EST Subject: PC800: Use of Rule of Thumb To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu So what Rule of Thumb should I use when your wife tells you you can't ever own a motorcycle? Troy Doyle '97 PC800 "Gabrielle" and '01 Chrysler 300M Summerville, SC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaPC800Rider@aol.com Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:25:39 EST Subject: Re: Re(2): PC800: Gasoline Octane for PC To: yankeesmuggler@sfcs.k12.ny.us, pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 1/4/2001 3:09:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, yankeesmuggler@sfcs.k12.ny.us writes: << Is it true there is less gravity in Canada than in the lower 48 states because it is farther away from the equator? Tim Davies >> I'm not sure about the gravity, but I've heard that you have to adjust your Autolean while traveling up there... Troy Doyle '97 PC800 "Gabrielle" and '01 Chrysler 300M Summerville, SC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "eddie" To: Cc: "PC800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: Windshields, economics,etc... Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:49:39 -0500 I, too, had the taller windshield and liked it a good bit. Yes, it flexed like a cheap umbrella whenever in a strong crosswind or when a semi-truck passed by. Can't vouch for the durability of the finish, however. After two years, mine had very fine scratches creating a haze that was absolutely dangerous whenever the sun hit it at the right angle. I couldn't see through it. I attribute this to storing my bike outside with a decent enough cover. But, the yard service guys insisted on using gas-powered blowers to clean the apartment grounds and despite my stern warnings not to use them around my bikes, there would be a nice accumulation of grit and dust under the cover/on the bike after they left. I couldn't always be around to remove the covers first so.........the shield got scratched. After my land lord changed lawn-care services, I found a new respect for the fellows that came next. They will stop and ask if I want to move the bikes before they clean up. Very nice. Now for the economics part. The Clearview shield was $150, delivered. The Hondaline? $200+. I like the Clearview nearly as much and when summer comes to Georgia, I bet I'll appreciate the different airflow greatly. -eddie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:59:45 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 13:58:53 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Jim Alexander Subject: Re: PC800: Use of Rule of Thumb There is no rule of thumb for that ... there is rule of law and it is called divorce court. :-) Jim Alexander At 01:23 PM 01/04/2001, HondaPC800Rider@aol.com wrote: > >So what Rule of Thumb should I use when your wife tells you you can't ever >own a motorcycle? > >Troy Doyle >'97 PC800 "Gabrielle" and '01 Chrysler 300M >Summerville, SC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Importance: Normal ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Kill Switch To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Gregory Pius" Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:03:39 -0500 01/04/2001 05:04:11 PM Wow... I had gotten into the habit of using the MECO (Main Engine Cut-O= ff) switch, as I have nicknamed it (it seemed an appropriate exaggeration t= o name a component of my diminutive Helix after a component of the Space Shuttle) all the time. So hitting the MECO switch after a ride was no b= ig deal. I've taken this [apparently] good habit from my Helix and applied it to= my PC; I always hit the MECO switch in The Jolly Roger to turn it off. I had no idea that one little switch could cause so much consternation!= Gregory (Your Friendly Neighborhood Sysadmin) <.sig> Gregory Pius, System Administrator IBM Advanced Technologies, Ft. Lauderdale, Florida piusg@us.ibm.com Tie Line 599-6940 - Voice (954)-958-6940 - Mobile (954)-658-256= 6 AOL Instant Messenger: GWPius "Michael & Marlisa Gunderson" @hpc.uh.edu on 01/04/2001 02:41:22 PM Please respond to "Michael & Marlisa Gunderson" Sent by: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "PC 800 LIST" cc: Subject: Re: PC800: Kill Switch OK here's a funny story about the use of the engine cutoff switch. I once worked with the guy that is my mechanic now and he relayed this= story to me... Jim (name has not been changed to protect the stupid) came into a lot = of money.=A0=A0 He decided to buy as brand spankin' new Honda CBR-600.=A0= He paid cash for it.=A0 Had it home one day and went out to start it to go out= riding. Engine cranks, won't start.=A0 Choke it...still nothing.=A0 Blood pres= sure rising....=A0 Tried to let it sit...maybe he flooded it?=A0 Half an ho= ur later...still nothing.=A0 Called friends over and lifted to the back o= f his NEW pickup truck.=A0 Yep, paid cash for that too.=A0 Drove the bike to= the Honda dealer.=A0 By now he's almost livid with anger!=A0 Went in and told Je= ff, my mechanic, what's wrong with this piece of _ _ _ _?=A0 It won't start!!= !!!!!! Jeff went out, performed the F.I.N.E.C.=A0 (Fuel valve on,=A0 Ignition= On, Neutral, Engine Cutoff Switch, Choke & Clutch)=A0=A0 MSF checklist and= upon the E (Engine Cutoff Switch) found that it was in the OFF position.=A0 Fli= pped it back on and VIOLA....600cc's of raw motorcycling pleasure.=A0 Well, by = this time, Jim was ready to crawl under the nearest rock he could find. Six months later, guess who calls the dealer from the McDonalds parkin= g lot when his PC wouldn't start?=A0 Yep, yours truly.=A0 Used the cutoff sw= itch because I was parking on a sloped parking area and didn't want to let = go of the bars, brake or clutch.=A0=A0 No rocks available when Jeff asked me= if I had used the cutoff switch.=A0 Never heard the end of that one!=A0 Especia= lly since I laughed at the "Jim Story" so uncontrollably.=A0 Worst part is that = my permanent passenger --wife-- was along that day.=A0 Guess what she ask= s frequently when we are starting out?=A0 Gotta Love those spouses! Embarrassingly yours, Mike Gunderson = -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "eddie" To: "PC800 List" Subject: PC800: Uh-oh. Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:15:46 -0500 "I had no idea that one little switch could cause so much consternation! Gregory (Your Friendly Neighborhood Sysadmin)" Gregory, Be glad nobody brought up the detail that run/stop switches are Red. -eddie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:43:03 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ben Crisologo" To: BernieK469@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Gasoline Octane for PC Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 22:43:03 Wow, thanks everyone for your comments. The "wisdom" of the group is very much appreciated. Have actually learned so much just by reading this eboard for just over a month now i.e. from K&N air filters, Works Performance Shocks, (which by the way I have just installed in my 95 PC800 - my comments on this to follow after this weekend) and now to gas. I have always put in the premium gasoline. Thanks everyone for the comments, and for the quick responses! Ben Crisologo 95 PC800 (reborn 12/2/00; 11,700 miles) >From: BernieK469@aol.com >To: bcrisologo@hotmail.com >Subject: Re: PC800: Gasoline Octane for PC >Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:09:35 EST > >The PC is preform and get better gas mileage on 87 Octane fuel than the >higher grades. After 72K, I know. > > >Bernie >94 PC >73K _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:44:21 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Doug Allis" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Gasoline Octane for PC Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 22:44:21 >This may be a dumb question, but what do the majority of PC800 riders put >in >their gas tanks in terms of the regular, high or premium octane gas? I >have >always assumed that higher is better, i.e. less knock, more cleaning power, >etc. however, I got the impression from sometime past in reading the >comments that this may not necessarily be so, and that putting in the >regular i.e. 87 rating may be enough. Not a dumb question. For most of the time I use regular 87 octane regular and there is no knocking, ticking etc. When its really HOT and DRY and I am riding two up then I switch to mid-grade 89 octane to prevent knocking going up hills and at very high speeds when passing. 99 % of the time its the cheapest regular I can get. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jeff Krause To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: +2" Rifle SOLD. Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:47:37 -0800 The +2" Rifle is SOLD. Wow, this listserver beats eBay any day. Jeff Krause 95 PC '800 MhZ' Santa Barbara County -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: DWilli5342@aol.com Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:52:58 EST Subject: PC800: Re: Cleaning Radiator Fins To: dsigsbee@memphis.edu CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu David (and other listers): DISCLAIMER: I've not tried this on the PC. As a matter of fact, I've not 'explored' yet the area around the backside of the radiator at all. But....the concept has worked in other applications. In days gone by, when we were racing stock cars, we had some "interesting" engine/radiator configurations which also made it difficult to get good access to "backwash" the radiator from rear to front, to clean debris from around the cooling fins. One solution I developed was to take our "blow-it-off" nozzle for the air compressor, and fit a length of small-gauge rubber tubing (like surgical tubing) to the end of the blower nozzle, and use that to blow out the chucks of rubber and stuff that were embedded between the fins. The tubing is quite flexible, and you can get into pretty tight spots, even if you can only get a couple of fingers in (hold the tubing between your fingers like a cigarette). The air volume usually will keep the tubing from collapsing. I'd also suggest spraying in some detergent, like Simple Green, from the front, and let it sit a few minutes before "blowing" from the back, to help loosen the gunk that might be trapped in there. You might not be able to reach EVERY part of the radiator, but I'd be surprised if you can't get to most of it. Also ... be careful with your air supply volume. The fins CAN be delicate, so too much air pressure could potentially do things you'd prefer to avoid! Also, an inexpensive mud flap on the rear trailing edge of the front fender can keep most of the road crap out of that exposed radiator. Mine works wonderfully. Good luck! Dean Williams Springfield, OR 98 PC800 "Nata Harli" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:56:25 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Doug Allis" To: HondaPC800Rider@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Windshields, economics,etc... Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 22:56:25 IMHO the Clearview is a better shield too. I had both a tall and short Hondaline -- both got hazy. I doubt it was the fault of your lawn service. The Honda shields are coated with something and is VERY sensitive to scratching during cleaning. If you are in a relatively dirty climate (city riding and/or rain) don't invest in a Honda tall shield. I keep mine in a nice closed garage, the Clearview is still nice after 2 years. The Hondas were bad after 6 months. >Now for the economics part. The Clearview shield was $150, delivered. >The Hondaline? $200+. >I like the Clearview nearly as much and when summer comes to Georgia, I bet >I'll appreciate the different airflow greatly. > >-eddie > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 23:02:16 0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Hall, Randy" To: "PC800 Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: PC800: Wanted: PC backrest Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:02:13 -0800 Okay, I'll test the waters to see if this will work... I'm interested in getting a Hondaline backrest for the PC, but rumors have it that Honda doesn't stock 'em anymore (or make 'em anymore, for that matter). Is there anyone out there that a) has one they're looking to get rid of; b) has an extra one; c) knows someone in categories a) or b)? Just wondering. Cheers, Randy -- Randy Hall (randy.hall@intel.com/randy_hall@earthling.net) '98 PC800: "The Amazing No-Name" ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED ARE MINE MINE MINE! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "William Cowgill" To: Cc: Subject: PC800: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:06:40 -0600 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "William Cowgill" To: Cc: Subject: PC800: Greetings Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:10:58 -0600 Greetings fellow listers, My name is William (Tony) Cowgill and I live in Rensselaer,IN In = August I purchased an 89 PC with 12,000 miles. I have been following = along on this list since then and I figured it was time to subscribe. I = am looking forward to meeting alot of you in the future. Stay safe. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:18:55 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ralph Couey" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:17:15 -0600 Stop over one of the cut lines, reach back with your left foot and drop the centerstand down until it touches the cut line on the pavement. Hold it there for 3 seconds, then release. Works every time. Ralph Couey Columbia, MO '95 PC800 "Seishin No Yomichi" "A life lived without risk is no life at all." ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Chris Norloff" To: Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 8:10 AM Subject: RE: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz > For waiting on traffic lights, do you mean ones where the sensor doesn't detect the bike? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 19:23:07 -0500 Subject: Re: PC800: Greetings To: thecowisnow@netnitco.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: yankeesmuggler@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) thecowisnow@netnitco.net writes: >Greetings fellow listers, > > My name is William (Tony) Cowgill and I live in Rensselaer,IN In August I >purchased an 89 PC with 12,000 miles. I have been following along on this >list since then and I figured it was time to subscribe. I am looking forward >to meeting alot of you in the future. Stay safe. Welcome Tony! You are in for the ride of your life when the weather clears and you can get together with other Coasters on the list for some two wheeled fun. I hope to be able to ride with you sometime too. Tim Davies Seneca Falls, New York 13148 '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:29:05 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ralph Couey" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: Use of Rule of Thumb Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:27:26 -0600 ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 3:23 PM Subject: PC800: Use of Rule of Thumb > So what Rule of Thumb should I use when your wife tells you you can't ever > own a motorcycle? > > Troy Doyle Under hers. Ralph Couey Columbia, MO '95 PC800 "Seishin No Yomichi" "A life lived without risk is no life at all." -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:30:34 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ralph Couey" To: "Hall, Randy" , "PC800 Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: Re: PC800: Wanted: PC backrest Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:28:54 -0600 Honda of Milpitas has 'em. Ralph Couey Columbia, MO '95 PC800 "Seishin No Yomichi" "A life lived without risk is no life at all." ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Hall, Randy" To: "PC800 Mailing List (E-mail)" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 5:02 PM Subject: PC800: Wanted: PC backrest > Okay, I'll test the waters to see if this will work... > > I'm interested in getting a Hondaline backrest for the PC, but rumors have > it that Honda doesn't stock 'em anymore (or make 'em anymore, for that > matter). Is there anyone out there that a) has one they're looking to get > rid of; b) has an extra one; c) knows someone in categories a) or b)? > > Just wondering. > > Cheers, > > Randy > -- > Randy Hall (randy.hall@intel.com/randy_hall@earthling.net) > '98 PC800: "The Amazing No-Name" > > ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED ARE MINE MINE MINE! > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:34:12 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Greetings To: thecowisnow@netnitco.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 1/4/01 4:11:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, thecowisnow@netnitco.net writes: > My name is William (Tony) Cowgill and I live in Rensselaer,IN In August I > Welcome Tony This is a good list to be on if you are fortunate enough to own the best kept secret in motorcycling. We have PC owners on this list that have accumulated over 250,000 miles on their machines and the engine not touched. You will find out much about your wonderful machine on this list. Maybe even more than you really want to know at times! Russ Vernon 95 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KGray96057@aol.com for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:35:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 19:35:32 EST Subject: PC800: Mania To: The average human being is so constructed as to be able to ignore _multiple_ indications of his or her own idiocy. We will chuckle over the Darwin Awards, or gossip about what that chowderheaded neighbor has done _this_ time... All the while _blissfully_ unaware of how many people are looking askance at _us_. It's a good thing. Occaisionally, however, we know that we are doing a foolish thing _as_ we are doing it...Perhaps even as we _contemplate_ doing it... Sometimes we stop... Come to our senses... At other times... We perform amazing acts of idiocy with a grin on our lips and a song in our hearts. And we don't give a damn... Because.. Sometimes coming to our senses... Is not the sensible thing to do. Sometimes foolishness is the only truly intelligent act. The above, by way of explanation. For the past several weeks, the weather here in Omaha has been... Ghastly. Our first serious, early winter in many years: Lots of snow and ice... Very few of them there Farenheit critters wandering around. The PC has been virtually abandoned for the past month and a half. Sitting in one place... Out in the cold. Today- out of the blue- the temperature rose well above forty degrees... And... Despite the large amounts of snow, sand, salt and ice on the roads... I went tearing out to her storage spot this afternoon... Anxious to get out onto the road and into the wind. If I could. I had never bothered to officially store the bike for winter, you see... Never hooked up a battery tender, drained fluids... I was more than half convinced that the bike wouldn't start- battery dead, fuel denatured, seals blistered from the cold... If she started at all, I figured, I would be treated to a cloud of blue smoke, as oil burnt up in the engine... Followed by a sputtering stall. Well. The damned thing chortled to life as if it had been parked out in the summer sun, rather than in sub zero weather, all this time. No special choke required.... So.. Grinning like the maniac I am... I rode over the hump of ice that had blocked the storage area, slid a little on the slush, and then headed off to work.. And I gotta tell you... I NEEDED THAT. Balanced me, centered me, steam cleaned my soul with 87 octane. I envy people who can ride year long... But I wonder if they ever get the feeling I had, today, as I literally stole an afternoon's ride from the winter. If I survive the ride home, I suspect the bike will be stationary for another month or so.. But... Just to feel like a real being again... For one day.... Worth the risk. Kendall Gray and Xena the 95 PC, temporarily back in action. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ; id TAA93238819 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 20:55:39 -0600 To: "Hansen, Hal" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Jeff Wessel Subject: Re: PC800: windshields s.com> Hal, Congratulations on your new bike!!! You are right about the original windshield, it was universally panned by the press in the reviews. My PC also came with one. My wife also has a PC and hers came with the tall Hondaline 'shield. After riding both bikes I knew I needed something other than stock. Like you, I didn't know which one to buy, but it seemed like the guys with the Clrearviews were the happiest, so I went down to the local Honda shop and ordered the +3 knowing that it would satisfy either me or the wife. When it arrived, she had to have it on her bike, so I mounted it and moved the tall Hondaline to my bike. Next, we went on vacation and she fell in love with the Clearview. A few months later, I rode her bike and expected the +3 to be too short for me since it was right for her and also since it was so much lower than the Honda tall. Well, I was really surprised that it was much quieter, had less buffeting, and the view over it was better than the Honda tall. I am also 6'2" and I recommend the Clearview +3 strongly. Jeff 90 PC (Freebee) his 90 PC (Red Hot) hers At 07:33 PM 1/3/01 -0800, Hansen, Hal wrote: >recently bought a 96 PC with 200 actual miles on it... >a fantastic motorcycle that i really love to ride, with one little >exception.... >the windshield! i am 6'2" and the stock shield doesn't provide as much >protection as i think it should .... > >i would like to now open Pandora's box and solicit everybody's thoughts >on the different companies (Rifle, Clearview, etc) and what height >might be best for me.... is there a rule of thumb about where the top >of the windshield should line up on your face? will a larger one affect >gas mileage? > >thanks, all input is appreciated > >hal >96 PC800 ("Rusty") > > > > Jeff
90 PC (Freebee) his
90 PC (Red Hot) hers

At 07:33 PM 1/3/01 -0800, Hansen, Hal wrote:

recently bought a 9= 6 PC with 200 actual miles on it...
a fantastic motorcycle that i really love to ride, with one little exception....
the windshield! i am 6'2" and the stock shield doesn't provide as much
protection as i think it should ....

i would like to now open Pandora's box and solicit everybody's thoughts
on the different companies (Rifle, Clearview, etc) and what height
might be best for me.... is there a rule of thumb about where the top
of the windshield should line up on your face? will a larger one affect
gas mileage?

thanks, all input is appreciated

hal
96 PC800 ("Rusty")

 


-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ; id TAA77944451 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 21:07:40 -0600 To: "William Cowgill" , From: Jeff Wessel Subject: Re: PC800: Greetings Cc: Hey neighbor, Too bad you didn't tune in sooner, you missed some good times and good rides. I live in Elkhart IN. and had a great time with some of the listers when we rode to Starved Rock and also we had a ride to central IN to the covered bridge area. Stay tuned.............and participate, you'll have a great time. I was somewhat reluctant because of the distance and the time involved with these rides, but boy was it worth it. I found that the rides to and from the official events were entertaining but the gathering of such individualists that I met was just too much fun. There are some great guys in IL and Chicago is the starting point for some of the rides. Jeff 90 PC (Freebee) his 90 PC (Red Hot) hers At 06:10 PM 1/4/01 -0600, William Cowgill wrote: >Greetings fellow listers, > > My name is William (Tony) Cowgill and I live in Rensselaer,IN In August > I purchased an 89 PC with 12,000 miles. I have been following along on > this list since then and I figured it was time to subscribe. I am > looking forward to meeting alot of you in the future. Stay safe. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 21:46:38 -0500 To: "William Cowgill" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Peter J.B. Teague, N1ACT" Subject: Re: PC800: Greetings Welcome, Tony! I just joined the list in Nov. after buying my '96 PC. (I graduated from a Helix) The info you'll find on this list is invaluable! The emails can fill your mailbox (1,498 msgs since Nov. 11 !) but well worth it. I added the +5" Rifle windshield system, but was only able to get a few short rides in before the snow and ice arrived in the area and so far, so good. I love it! I now have the PC in a CYCLESHELL(TM) in the back yard, with the battery on a 12V solar battery charger to keep it topped off. As soon as a little more friction returns to the road (i.e. the ice melts from here to work) then I hope to be able to commute again on two wheels! Happy riding! +Peter+ At 06:10 PM 1/4/01 -0600, you wrote: >Greetings fellow listers, > > My name is William (Tony) Cowgill and I live in Rensselaer,IN In August > I purchased an 89 PC with 12,000 miles. I have been following along on > this list since then and I figured it was time to subscribe. I am > looking forward to meeting alot of you in the future. Stay safe. Peter J.B. Teague N1ACT Marblehead, MA '96 PC800 "Old Ironsides" (PCRC #1239) Home page: http://people.ne.mediaone.net/pjbt/HomePage -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FSY4WAET; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 21:51:17 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: DWilli5342@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 21:52:38 -0500 Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Cleaning Radiator Fins From: "Harvey P. Sattin" Dean, Do you have any pictures of your mudflap? I too have a '98. ~Harvey Sattin Brookline, MA On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:52:58 EST DWilli5342@aol.com writes: > Also, an inexpensive mud flap on the rear trailing edge of the front > fender > can keep most of the road crap out of that exposed radiator. Mine > works > wonderfully. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: "Michael & Marlisa Gunderson" , "PC 800 LIST" Subject: Re: PC800: Kill Switch Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 20:58:29 -0800 Gotta Love those spouses! Embarrassingly yours, Mike Gunderson Just a question in passing, you old sonofagunderson....how many do you = have? Lee Barker 95 "Secondo con Brio" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: "Ben Crisologo" , Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: Gasoline Octane for PC Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 21:03:46 -0800 > Thanks everyone for the comments, and for the quick responses! > > Ben Crisologo > 95 PC800 And are you switching over to Wesson oil for your Autolean System? Lee Barker 95 "Secondo con Crisco" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: , , Subject: Re: PC800: Greetings Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 21:10:56 -0800 You will=20 find out much about your wonderful machine on this list. Maybe even = more than=20 you really want to know at times!=20 Russ Vernon=20 95 PC800=20 Like how CERTAIN LISTERS go over to well, not the Dark Side, but the = Dimly Lit Side, and DON'T TELL that they did it and shyly reenter the = list not thinking that some of us KNOW the TRUTH and are willing NOT to = tell it to others in return for monthly payments in small bills. Lee Barker 95 "Secondo con Brio" 51 Cushman Tubular RoadKing -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: Mania Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 21:15:42 -0800 Beautiful post, as usual, Kendall. I agree. Yearrounders can never know the feeling that first warm day. Today was it here, too, but I could not manage a ride. Perhaps tomorrow. One of those days--and we always have them--it was 72 on a weekend in January. I got on my old 750/4 and before I was 5 miles out of town had a speeding ticket. It was a ticket of joy, though. I was not hell bent for anything, just listening to the singing of the tires, the spokes, the air and that sweet sweet single-stick four, out there in the wind, crankshaft connecting my ankle bones like I was trying to make a low slung letter A. The bail wasn't a penalty, it was just a little tuition for learning how best to express my joy at times like these. Lee Barker 95 "Secondo con Brio" ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 4:35 PM Subject: PC800: Mania > The average human being is so constructed as to be able to ignore _multiple_ > indications of his or her own idiocy. > > We will chuckle over the Darwin Awards, or gossip about what that > chowderheaded neighbor has done _this_ time... All the while _blissfully_ > unaware of how many people are looking askance at _us_. > > It's a good thing. > > Occaisionally, however, we know that we are doing a foolish thing _as_ we are > doing it...Perhaps even as we _contemplate_ doing it... > > Sometimes we stop... Come to our senses... At other times... We perform > amazing acts of idiocy with a grin on our lips and a song in our hearts. And > we don't give a damn... Because.. Sometimes coming to our senses... Is not > the sensible thing to do. Sometimes foolishness is the only truly intelligent > act. > > The above, by way of explanation. > > For the past several weeks, the weather here in Omaha has been... Ghastly. > Our first serious, early winter in many years: Lots of snow and ice... Very > few of them there Farenheit critters wandering around. > > The PC has been virtually abandoned for the past month and a half. Sitting in > one place... Out in the cold. > > Today- out of the blue- the temperature rose well above forty degrees... > And... Despite the large amounts of snow, sand, salt and ice on the roads... > I went tearing out to her storage spot this afternoon... Anxious to get out > onto the road and into the wind. > > If I could. > > I had never bothered to officially store the bike for winter, you see... > Never hooked up a battery tender, drained fluids... > > I was more than half convinced that the bike wouldn't start- battery dead, > fuel denatured, seals blistered from the cold... If she started at all, I > figured, I would be treated to a cloud of blue smoke, as oil burnt up in the > engine... Followed by a sputtering stall. > > Well. > > The damned thing chortled to life as if it had been parked out in the summer > sun, rather than in sub zero weather, all this time. No special choke > required.... > > So.. Grinning like the maniac I am... I rode over the hump of ice that had > blocked the storage area, slid a little on the slush, and then headed off to > work.. > > And I gotta tell you... I NEEDED THAT. > > Balanced me, centered me, steam cleaned my soul with 87 octane. I envy people > who can ride year long... But I wonder if they ever get the feeling I had, > today, as I literally stole an afternoon's ride from the winter. > > If I survive the ride home, I suspect the bike will be stationary for another > month or so.. > > But... Just to feel like a real being again... For one day.... > > Worth the risk. > > Kendall Gray and Xena the 95 PC, temporarily back in action. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: , , "Harvey P. Sattin" Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Cleaning Radiator Fins Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 21:24:06 -0800 > Dean, > > Do you have any pictures of your mudflap? > I too have a '98. > > ~Harvey Sattin Harvey, you don't want to see one. Dean works at Foster Farms, and every now and then they get a rooster in there by mistake, and well, you had better trust me on this, you just don't want to see that mudflap. Lee Barker 95 "Secondo con Brio" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: sge2000@att.net by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with SMTP Fri, 5 Jan 2001 05:17:04 +0000 To: "Great Ned" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) Subject: Re: PC800: Greetings Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 05:17:04 +0000 Cool idea, Lee! Can I make enough money blackmailing those who have succumbed to the Dark Side that I also can succumb to the Dark Side? And maybe enough to keep up MY blackmail payments that will surely result? A certain 2001 ST temptress at my local Honda shop has been enticing me to throw caution, financial responsibility, and perhaps marital harmony to the winds. I will talk to my loan officer and see if I can count my blackmail income to qualify for a loan. (Heck, it's not a loan, it's a mortgage!) -- Steve Ewens Lee's Summit, MO iPCRC #1044 '89 PC800 Butthead Index: 30.5 Survival Index: 76 Another listmember who NEEDS two sport-touring Hondas! > > You will > find out much about your wonderful machine on this list. Maybe even more than > you really want to know at times! > > Russ Vernon > 95 PC800 > > Like how CERTAIN LISTERS go over to well, not the Dark Side, but the Dimly Lit > Side, and DON'T TELL that they did it and shyly reenter the list not thinking > that some of us KNOW the TRUTH and are willing NOT to tell it to others in > return for monthly payments in small bills. > > Lee Barker > 95 "Secondo con Brio" > 51 Cushman Tubular RoadKing > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: Subject: PC800: t'ware decal orderers Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 21:26:30 -0800 Thanks for the orders--6, I think---and know that I have ample stock to = fill these tomorrow morning. By tomorrow afternoon they shall be getting their travelling feet wet in = the shallow end of the U. S. Mail Pool. Lee Barker 95 "Secondo con Brio" Pool.
 
Lee Barker
95 "Secondo con Brio"
 
 
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: Cc: "PC800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: Greetings Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 21:34:11 -0800 > Cool idea, Lee! > I will talk to my loan officer and see if I can > count my blackmail income to qualify for a loan. (Heck, > it's not a loan, it's a mortgage!) > > -- > Steve Ewens It's just a bottom like thing, Steve. Take my wife. Please. She asked for a vacuum cleaner for Christmas. How unromantic, I argued. She insisted. I finally agreed. I started shopping. New ones were junk, mostly, so I ended up at my favorite kind of store, small town, small business, the guy rebuilds 'em. Good ones. I ended up seeing what I wanted--a rebuilt Filter Queen--for, gulp, $475. But what a wonderful machine. A tool. And I will always buy a quality tool over a poor compromise. But I had the household checkbook in my hand. But hey, I own a cabinet shop. So suddenly the light bulb went on, and out came the business checkbook. $475 to "Redmond Vacuum Inc" (It's really Redmond Vac and Sew) for a "Dust Collector." Now, I'll keep sending you the payments and you'll not tell the I, R & S, right? Deal? Hmm? Lee Barker 95 "Secondo con Sucto" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: sge2000@att.net by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with SMTP Fri, 5 Jan 2001 06:05:48 +0000 To: "Great Ned" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) Subject: Re: PC800: Greetings Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 06:05:47 +0000 Lee, old buddy, you must really think I'm a sucker for a story like that, huh? I don't seem to recall receiving any payments lately. And you're way the heck out there in Washington state or whatever, and the friendly IRS folks are practically next door right here in KC. I sure hope I don't do anything we'll both regret and spill the beans in return for that big juicy bounty they have no doubt placed on your hide. Better keep those cards and letters coming pretty regular-like. And we'll just keep it between you and me that I'm lusting in my heart after that pretty little old head- turner down at the Honda shop, right? Wouldn't want THAT getting spread all over the list, huh? Talk about FLAMES! STeve > > > > Cool idea, Lee! > > > I will talk to my loan officer and see if I can > > count my blackmail income to qualify for a loan. (Heck, > > it's not a loan, it's a mortgage!) > > > > -- > > Steve Ewens > > It's just a bottom like thing, Steve. Take my wife. Please. > > She asked for a vacuum cleaner for Christmas. How unromantic, I argued. > She insisted. I finally agreed. I started shopping. New ones were junk, > mostly, so I ended up at my favorite kind of store, small town, small > business, the guy rebuilds 'em. Good ones. I ended up seeing what I > wanted--a rebuilt Filter Queen--for, gulp, $475. But what a wonderful > machine. A tool. And I will always buy a quality tool over a poor > compromise. > But I had the household checkbook in my hand. > > But hey, I own a cabinet shop. So suddenly the light bulb went on, and out > came the business checkbook. $475 to "Redmond Vacuum Inc" (It's really > Redmond Vac and Sew) for a "Dust Collector." > > Now, I'll keep sending you the payments and you'll not tell the I, R & S, > right? Deal? Hmm? > > Lee Barker > 95 "Secondo con Sucto" > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Thu, 4 Jan 2001 22:13:25 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Greg Castle" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Mania Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 01:13:25 -0500
>From: "Great Ned"
>I agree. Yearrounders can never know the feeling that first warm day.
 
Not this yearrounder... I sure as hell remember each time every
year when I ride my bike that it suddenly is warmer.. that suddenly
I can smell the air and enjoy it.. that I suddenly find myself wanting
to keep the visor open the whole ride just taking deep sniffs every
time not believing how nice the air smells and feels... not having
to pack everything in tightly, not having to keep the visor closed
because the air hurts my eyes or wants to tear open the skin
because of the cold... not having to watch out for patches of ice..
no... suddenly it seems there is this one day that it all changes..
that I just want to hug the air, breath every molecule in it, smell
the live and warmth in it... that day that you suddenly notice that
the birds are singing again and that you see green leaves popping
out everywhere and spring flowers wanting to show their colors..
that day that I just want to stand on the pegs and rip open my
jacket and shirt to feel the air, that I want to scream from excitement
and just never wanna stop riding but just take a detour to work...
the day I feel alive again.... the day that spring begins...
I do know the feeling of that first warm day... and because I'm
riding every day I'm sure I won't miss it...
 
I might not know the feeling of not having ridden my bike for
a couple of months though (not sure I could survive that...I'm
trying now to get used to not riding a whole week and it's bad
enough..)....
 
Spring....sigh... just a few more months guys...
 
Emile
(live from Toronto)

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-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 22:36:36 -0800 (PST) From: "Peter P. Kaputsos" Subject: PC800: Silver Wing Availability To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hello All, Okay, so my dream bike, the new 600cc Silver Wing scooter, isn't available in the States yet - will it be available in Canada first? What are my options? Should I buy a Reflex and then trade it in on the Silver Wing when available? Should I find a reliable smuggler? Help! Peter -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Roger Bowen" To: "pc800" Subject: Re: PC800: Use of Rule of Thumb Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 23:16:02 -0800 I really hesitate here, but will jump in anyway. Gentlemen and Ladies, please don't get too upset. It is my understanding (read it somewhere I think) that the phrase 'Rule of Thumb' actually derived from an old law that said you couldn't use a stick of larger diameter than your thumb to 'discipline' your wife. YMMV Roger Bowen > > So what Rule of Thumb should I use when your wife tells you you can't ever > > own a motorcycle? > > > > Troy Doyle -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KGray96057@aol.com for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 02:45:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 02:45:28 EST Subject: PC800: Afterglow To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Today... I rolled into the parking lot... Smiling into my helmet... Early, for the first time in weeks. (I find it very difficult to motivate myself beneath steel grey skies and arctic winds. I stand in my apartment, endlessly adjusting the knot in my tie... Thinking about another cup of coffee... About how many good days and good years of my life are being spent in a cubicle... And I end up dragging into work later... And later...) My boss pulled into the lot at about the same time. I could see her laughing behind her wheel... I entered the building... Enjoying the stares generated by the Carhart suit and silver Shoei helmet... Some people smiled with implicit understanding. Others shook their heads at my (percieved) madness. My Harley riding friends- to a man, instantly and reflexively- started jabbering the _moment_ I came into view. About how they had really wanted to ride, or really thought about taking the old bike out... But it was still a bit cold. But they were worried about patches of sand and ice. But they'd already drained the oil. How was the ride? Was it slick out on the roads? Weren't you: Cold, scared, nervous, foolish and stupid to take such a risk? Of course. All of that and more. Sure. But.. There I was. Whole, unharmed and blissfully pleased with myself. Coulda been killed? Maybe- probably. Certainly, some day... But not _this_ day. I tell you, that ride, that short, somewhat nerve wracking ride... Elevated my mood and my soul more than any amount of down swaddled snuggling and cocoa and hot chicken soup... Or any of the other popular winter remedies. I should point out that the ride home- after the water turned back to ice- was substantially hairier. The road out of the parking lot was a death trap of sand and slush. I almost dumped the bike just getting onto the main road. I had some thoughts about taking apoint too far, then. Still... Tomorrow is supposed to be equally warm... And I didn't bother to put the cover back on the bike when I parked her, tonight. I have a feeling that tomorrow will find me just as I was today... Floating down the interstate, laughing into my scarf... Having one helluva time being foolish and stupid. Get out when and if you can, friends. Don't push your luck too much... But certainly push it a little. Kendall Gray 95 PC 800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 08:11:17 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Greetings To: greatned@quik.com, thecowisnow@netnitco.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 1/4/01 9:03:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, greatned@quik.com writes: > Like how CERTAIN LISTERS go over to well, not the Dark Side, but the Dimly > Lit Side, and DON'T TELL that they did it and shyly reenter the list not > thinking that some of us KNOW the TRUTH and are willing NOT to tell it to > others in return for monthly payments in small bills. > > That's was a low blow, Lee! I never left the list, is just sat back and watched you try to scare the bejeesus out of the newbies that have joined the list. As far as you implying that I have joined the "dark side", I simply have popped in for a visit. I still have my wonderful PC and have no plans on selling it. Besides, I just got the autolean lubed and I am eager to try it out. And besides, did you hear me say anything when you were advising people to sell their PCs and buy Cushmans? Hah! Russ Vernon -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: "'eddie'" , PC800 List Subject: RE: PC800: Uh-oh. Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 08:13:30 -0500 "It's just this little chromium switch, here. Honestly, you people are SO superstitious!" ("Hey, my iron lung is working again...") -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: eddie [mailto:transalp1@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 5:16 PM To: PC800 List Subject: PC800: Uh-oh. "I had no idea that one little switch could cause so much consternation! Gregory (Your Friendly Neighborhood Sysadmin)" Gregory, Be glad nobody brought up the detail that run/stop switches are Red. -eddie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 08:14:59 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Mania To: greatned@quik.com, KGray96057@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 1/4/01 9:09:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, greatned@quik.com writes: > I got on my old 750/4 and before I was 5 miles out of town had a > speeding ticket. Really? What was the speed limit there? 10mph? Old farts like you get speeding tickets they show them off to their grandchildren as proof that they dont just drive 30miles an hour in the fast lane ALL the time! ;-) Russ Vernon -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 08:20:07 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Greetings To: greatned@quik.com, sge2000@att.net CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 1/4/01 9:27:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, greatned@quik.com writes: > Now, I'll keep sending you the payments and you'll not tell the I, R & S, > right? Deal? Hmm? > > Gotcha! You tell on me and I tell on you! I was just getting ready to send in my first "hush" payment into you when I read that you been cheating the IRS! Well buddyboy, you aint getting NUTTHING now! Y'HEAR? Your good friend, Russ Vernon
right?  Deal?  Hmm?



Gotcha! You tell on me and I tell on you! I was just getting ready to send in
my first "hush" payment into you when I read that you been cheating the IRS!
Well buddyboy, you aint getting NUTTHING now! Y'HEAR?

Your good friend,
Russ Vernon Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:23:00 -0400 To: yankeesmuggler@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider), fsl@borgconsulting.com From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re(2): PC800: Gasoline Octane for PC Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 7:33 PM -0500 1/4/01, Ben Crisologo wrote: >This may be a dumb question, > >>...no such thing.. Aren't there two "m"'s in "dummb" ?? -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 08:23:03 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Use of Rule of Thumb Tell her the PC's a scooter. :-) Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaPC800Rider@aol.com Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:23:48 EST >So what Rule of Thumb should I use when your wife tells you you can't ever >own a motorcycle? > >Troy Doyle >'97 PC800 "Gabrielle" and '01 Chrysler 300M >Summerville, SC >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:00:58 -0500 (EST) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: Steer Tube Bearings? "Revill Dunn" > If the PC doesn't use tapered roller bearings, replace the ball set > with tapered roller bearings. They will last forever and are just > about immune to overtightening. Ok. I haven't experience with forever. > Another ten years? Is that good enough? > > This is something you can do yourself if you don't mind getting really > really greasy and whacking on your bike with a piece of wood and a > hammer. I've done a ball bearing to roller bearing conversion on a Hawk (naked bike), and it wasn't an inordinate amount of work, and didn't require any great skills, although it was, as Revill says, a good opportunity to get dirty. A PC would take a bit more work, due to the plastic. The only tricky part would be finding WHICH roller bearings to use to replace the stock bearings. I'll disagree a little about roller bearings being immune to overtightening. In fact, there are quite specific procedures for adjusting the preload on them, which if not followed, will lead to premature failure. Timken has a procedure for this on their web site. That said, once you have converted to a roller bearing steering head, this is a maintenance item that can be crossed off for the rest of the life of the motorcycle. ====================================================================== Selden Deemer Atlanta, Georgia EMAIL: libssd@emory.edu ====================================================================== -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Revill Dunn" Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 08:14:45 -0600 "Re: PC800: Kill Switch" (Jan 4, 8:58pm) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Kill Switch Hey, guys. Just for your information, the plural of spouse is spice. Revill On Jan 4, 8:58pm, Great Ned wrote: > Subject: Re: PC800: Kill Switch > > > Gotta Love those spouses! > > Embarrassingly yours, > > Mike Gunderson > > Just a question in passing, you old sonofagunderson....how many do you have? > > Lee Barker > 95 "Secondo con Brio" > > > > > > [ Attachment (text/x-html): 978 bytes > Character set: iso-8859-1 > Encoded with "quoted-printable" ] >-- End of excerpt from Great Ned -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: , , Subject: Re: PC800: Mania Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 06:25:01 -0800 72, if you must know, was my velocity. 55, an age I once was, the = limit. Grandkids? Not yet. Just the granddog, and his reading isn't coming = along like I think it should. I have ordered the "Hooked on Phonics" = program in the special barking dialect. Lee ----- Original Message -----=20 From: RVPC800@aol.com=20 To: greatned@quik.com ; KGray96057@aol.com ; pc800@hpc.uh.edu=20 Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 5:14 AM Subject: Re: PC800: Mania In a message dated 1/4/01 9:09:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, = greatned@quik.com=20 writes:=20 I got on my old 750/4 and before I was 5 miles out of town had a=20 speeding ticket. =20 Really? What was the speed limit there? 10mph? Old farts like you get=20 speeding tickets they show them off to their grandchildren as proof = that they=20 dont just drive 30miles an hour in the fast lane ALL the time! ;-)=20 Russ Vernon=20 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:32:32 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: PC 800 List Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Steer Tube Bearings? ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Selden Deemer >I've done a ball bearing to roller bearing conversion on a Hawk (naked >bike), and it wasn't an inordinate amount of work, and didn't require >any great skills, although it was, as Revill says, a good opportunity >to get dirty. A PC would take a bit more work, due to the plastic. The >only tricky part would be finding WHICH roller bearings to use to >replace the stock bearings. I think a good bearing supply place will have the crossover numbers for that. Chris Norloff -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:33:59 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Mania 186,000 miles per second -- it's not just a good idea, it's the law. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 06:25:01 -0800 >72, if you must know, was my velocity. 55, an age I once was, the limit. > >Grandkids? Not yet. Just the granddog, and his reading isn't coming along like I think it should. I have ordered the "Hooked on Phonics" program in the special barking dialect. > >Lee > ----- Original Message ----- > From: RVPC800@aol.com > To: greatned@quik.com ; KGray96057@aol.com ; pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 5:14 AM > Subject: Re: PC800: Mania > > > In a message dated 1/4/01 9:09:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, greatned@quik.com > writes: > > > > I got on my old 750/4 and before I was 5 miles out of town had a > speeding ticket. > > > Really? What was the speed limit there? 10mph? Old farts like you get > speeding tickets they show them off to their grandchildren as proof that they > dont just drive 30miles an hour in the fast lane ALL the time! ;-) > > Russ Vernon > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Revill Dunn" Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 08:37:31 -0600 "Re: PC800: Re: Steer Tube Bearings?" (Jan 5, 9:32am) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Steer Tube Bearings? Both times I've done the job, I bought the bearings at the bike dealer. But any bearing supply (or decent auto parts house) can match a bearing set if you bring your old ones in. Revill On Jan 5, 9:32am, Chris Norloff wrote: > Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Steer Tube Bearings? > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Selden Deemer > >I've done a ball bearing to roller bearing conversion on a Hawk (naked > >bike), and it wasn't an inordinate amount of work, and didn't require > >any great skills, although it was, as Revill says, a good opportunity > >to get dirty. A PC would take a bit more work, due to the plastic. The > >only tricky part would be finding WHICH roller bearings to use to > >replace the stock bearings. > > > I think a good bearing supply place will have the crossover numbers for that. > > Chris Norloff > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >-- End of excerpt from Chris Norloff -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail.aeroinc.net with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.20.01 AS-0098309) for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 08:47:38 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael & Marlisa Gunderson" To: "Great Ned" , "PC 800 LIST" Subject: Re: PC800: Engine Stop Switch and spouses Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 08:44:23 -0600 "Just a question in passing, you old sonofagunderson....how many do you = have?" Notice I did change the heading from "Kill Switch and spouses"...whew! I do take offense to the "OLD" statement, but more on that when I have = more time.... Regarding the spouse...ONLY ONE!! Nearly ten years and still going!! = By "spouses--or spice" (thanks you Mr. Thesaurus -- a/k/a Revill), I was = I was referring to the other PC spouses out there! Not just mine.=20 Thanks Lee (I think) for the clarification ! Off to apologize to the = SPOUSE for referring to her in the plural form--well improperly plural = form!! Shoot Lee, you got me in deep doodoo this time.... 8-) Mike Gunderson =20 Oh Lee, BTW: My brother is the first of the "sonofagundersons". So I = hate to tell you...I cannot under these circumstances be referred to as = he--since he rightfully deserves the name "sonofagunderson". Otherwise, = there may be a family dispute! 8-) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 10:12:41 -0500 Subject: PC800: Motorcycle Exhibit in Albany, NY To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: yankeesmuggler@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) If any of you in the Northeast need a jump start into Spring 2001 this exhibit sounds like it might be interesting. I've copied all the exhibit information from the web site and printed it below. It's nice to see motorcycling making it into the forefront as a respectable activity and one worthy of a museum exhibit. I have not been to this so I don't know any more than is printed on their web site. Depending on the weather in early April it might make an nice destination for a gathering of Coasters in this area. We can only hope:-) Tim Davies Seneca Falls, New York 13148 '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" The Great New York Motorcycle Show Dec 9, 2000 - April 10, 2001 http://www.nysm.nysed.gov/exhibitnow.html This exhibition documents New York State's contributions to the development of the motorcycle, and is perfect for those of you who were born to be wild. New York's involvement in motorcycle design dates from the 1890s, when two-wheeled vehicles were briefly thought to be the wave of the future in American transportation. It continued through the 1920s and experienced a brief resurgence in the 1970s. Motorcycles included in this exhibition come from the collections of museums and private lenders in the US and Canada. Some highlights include: Hopkins Motorcycle, 1894-95, on loan from the Buffalo and Erie County Historical Society. The invention of Nelson S. Hopkins, this is essentially a bicycle with a motor attached and was patented in 1895 as an "improvement in motors for bicycles." Curtiss Motorcycle, 1908, on loan from collector Wes Allen. This machine was the brainchild of Glenn Curtiss, a trailblazer in both aviation and motorcycle design. Curtiss was once known as the "fastest man in the world" for having ridden one of his motorcycles at a speed of 136 mph. Williams Motorcycle, 1916, on loan from collector Jim Dennie. John Newton Williams was known as an inventor of office machines, particularly typewriters. In the 1900s and 1910s, he experimented with helicopter flight and with motorcycles powered by rotating engines mounted in the rear, driving wheel. Neracar Motorcycle, 1923, on loan from collector Louis Feltz. The Ner-A-Car Corporation promoted its bikes as a more economical alternative to the increasingly popular automobile. Yankee Motorcycle, 1972, on loan from collector John Jamison. The motorcycle industry petered out in New York after the 1920s but experienced a resurgence in the late 1960s and early 1970s when the Yankee Motor Company set up shop in Schenectady. The company was established by John A. Taylor, an off-road motorcycling enthusiast who turned his pastime into a business, first as a distributor of Spanish-built motorcycles and then as a manufacturer. The exhibition includes posters and engines as well as many more bikes and other items together for the first time under one roof. This exhibition documents New York State's contributions to the development of the motorcycle, and is perfect for those of you who were born to be wild. Hours Open daily from 9:30am to 5:00 pm Closed Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Year's Day Admission is free (suggested donation of $2/person or $5/family) Phone: (518)-474-5877 Location Cultural Education Center of the Empire State Plaza, Albany, NY On Madison Avenue, across the Plaza from the State Capitol Building. Parking is available in the two lots adjacent to the Museum, both off of Madison Ave. Parking in these lots is free after 3:00 p.m. and on weekends. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 07:20:07 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Macy Subject: Re: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz To: List PC800 --- sge2000@att.net wrote: > Interesting, Ralph. I also scored 76. Honest, I didn't copy! 76 here too. Hmmmm... ===== Tim "Scuffy" Macy, Newberg,OR Stealthmobile - '94 Honda PC800 (121K) STealthmobile II - '99 Honda ST1100 ABS-II (18K) AMA #492485, HRCA #239441, HSTA #6030, RCMC, STOC #1571 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BillandScoot@cs.com for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:43:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:43:06 EST Subject: PC800: Head 'em up and move 'em out! To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu The sun is shining, the temp is not to bad. I'm not expected at dinner this afternoon (Anniversary dinner was last night)......Time to take a shower and get in a serious ride. Might be home before dark, Might not. Who cares? Val knows and understands.......Later, all........... Bill Richardson 98PC"Scoot" San Antonio iPCRC #906 HRCA #001137 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Rich Fenwick" To: Subject: PC800: So, you say you always wanted a nekkid PC? Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:57:13 -0600 Importance: Normal Go see: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=536695482 There's your nekkid PC, and it's for sale... Rich Fenwick http://pc_800.tripod.com 1990 Honda PC800 - 33,000 miles Clearview +5 Shield E.C. Driving Lights E.C. Battery Monitor Kisan Pathblazer Kisan Tailblazer Kriss 4 way Flashers Vista-Cruise Honda Trunk Lights & Bags Metzeler ME880's K&N Air Filter Fiamm Air Horns Honda Kenwood Radio (soon) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Revill Dunn" Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:50:38 -0600 "PC800: Head 'em up and move 'em out!" (Jan 5, 10:43am) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, BillandScoot@cs.com Subject: Re: PC800: Head 'em up and move 'em out! Which way are you heading? The Legerity Lunch Bunch is thinkin 'bout lunch in Lockhart to eat some meat. Wanna join us? It IS a BEEEEWTIFUL day. Revill -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:08:02 -0400 To: "Rich Fenwick" , From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: So, you say you always wanted a nekkid PC? Rich wrote: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=536695482 I can't stand the suspense -- I wrote him and asked what happened to the skin! -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: DWilli5342@aol.com Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:23:33 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Cleaning Radiator Fins To: greatned@quik.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 1/4/01 9:16:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, greatned@quik.com writes: > > Dean, > > > > Do you have any pictures of your mudflap? > > I too have a '98. > > > > ~Harvey Sattin > > Harvey, you don't want to see one. > > Dean works at Foster Farms, and every now and then they get a rooster in > there by mistake, and well, you had better trust me on this, you just don't > want to see that mudflap. > > Lee Barker Lee..... Is this more of your "98 PC Fender Envy Syndrome" rearing it's ugly head? First, you graft an ST front fender on your steed. Now, you're assaulting the heritage of my modest mudflap! Counseling may be in order. Besides, that whole story about pirated chicken parts was never proven. I destroyed the negatives, and the grand jury sealed the rest of the testimony. No other indictments are forthcoming. BTW ... I corrected (in an off-list message) the guy who was looking for the "gentleman" with the Body By Tupperware stickers. The next volley is yours. Fire when ready, Gridley! Dean Williams Springfield, OR 98 PC800 "Nata Harli" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 08:51:16 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Macy Subject: Re: PC800: Mania To: List PC800 --- Great Ned wrote: > The bail wasn't a penalty, it was just a little tuition for learning how > best to express my joy at times like these. The ST list refers to speeding tickets as "Performance Awards". I've always liked that definition... ===== Tim "Scuffy" Macy, Newberg,OR Stealthmobile - '94 Honda PC800 (121K) STealthmobile II - '99 Honda ST1100 ABS-II (18K) AMA #492485, HRCA #239441, HSTA #6030, RCMC, STOC #1571 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Importance: Normal ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Mania To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Gregory Pius" Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:54:19 -0500 01/05/2001 11:54:30 AM >I envy people who can ride year long... >But I wonder if they ever get the feeling >I had, today, as I literally stole an >afternoon's ride from the winter. I do, every time get on The Jolly Roger. Even though I have to sneak it around the back of my townhouse because the uptight @$$-holes in my homeowners' association have a bike ban in force where I live. Even though South Florida's army of mostly-retirees-from-New-York drivers are some of the very worst drivers in the world. Even though I-95 is choked with semi tractor-trailers that create turbulence that a 747 would have a tough time flying through. Even despite all that, I still get a thrill--and this happens more often than I thought it would--when someone walks up to me, taking time out of their otherwise busy schedule, and says "Nice bike!" Gregory (Your Friendly Neighborhood Sysadmin) '95 PC800 "The Jolly Roger" <.sig> Gregory Pius, System Administrator IBM Advanced Technologies, Ft. Lauderdale, Florida piusg@us.ibm.com Tie Line 599-6940 - Voice (954)-958-6940 - Mobile (954)-658-2566 AOL Instant Messenger: GWPius -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:28:10 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 09:27:28 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, pacificcoast@egroups.com From: Jim Alexander Subject: PC800: Another move to the even Darker (or maybe Lighter) Side? There are a few people on this list and the Pacific Coast E-group list that know a change has been made in my life recently. As many people knew, I as one of the original PC800 owners (having purchased in 1989 before the official sales date) had moved to the dark side with ownership of a ST1100. In actuality, here is my ownership record: April 6, 1989 - Purchased PC800 - one of the first sold in the US :-) January 20th, 1991 - Totaled said PC with about 45K miles on it. :-( (purchased interim bike in late Feb - Yamaha Maxim 650) July 24th, 1991 - Purchased 1st 1991 Silver ST1100 :-) January 15th, 1995 - Sold 1991 Silver ST1100 with 95K miles (going to Saudi Arabia) :-p August 22nd, 1997 - Purchased 1989 PC800 with 35K miles on it :-) after being home on vacation in June from KSA, a friend was selling their 1989 PC800 because they were moving to North Carolina and did not want to transport it across the US (could not ride as they were driving one car and a U-Haul). June 1998, came home and picked up PC800 from a friend in So Cal. :-) January 1999 - finally found out that my wife did not like the PC800 because her feet did not touch the pegs and the Corbin seat driver lumbar support knob hurt her left thigh. Switch to stock seat and it still did not help too much. :-( February 1999 - Found ST1100 locally being sold my fellow HSTA member for good price. :-) February 1999 - Sold PC for incredibly good price to Larry Gomez (Larry you still out there?) :-) March 1999 - purchase second ST1100 - 1998 Black with 10K miles :-) December 30, 2000 - Traded 1998 ST1100 to Honda of Milpitas :-) December 30, 2000 - Rode home on new 2001 Yellow non-ABS Gold Wing :-) :-) :-) :-) What a great bike. Feels like a PC800 when you start rolling. Stable low weight and wonderful torque. A little bit faster ;-) than a PC800. A whole lot more expensive. What a RIDE! OK, I've come clean .... now the PC800 world knows! Jim Alexander 1989 PC800 (both nice bikes and great to ride) 1991 & 1998 ST1100 (faster, bigger gas tank and fun) 2001 Gold Wing - Yellow - Big Bird WHAT A RIDE!!! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 13:28:41 -0500 Subject: Re: PC800: Another move to the even Darker (or maybe Lighter) Side? To: jamesalexander@compuserve.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, pacificcoast@egroups.com From: yankeesmuggler@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) jamesalexander@compuserve.com writes: >What a great bike. Feels like a PC800 when you start rolling. Stable >low weight and wonderful torque. A little bit faster ;-) than a >PC800. A whole lot more expensive. What a RIDE! > >OK, I've come clean .... now the PC800 world knows! > >Jim Alexander >1989 PC800 (both nice bikes and great to ride) >1991 & 1998 ST1100 (faster, bigger gas tank and fun) >2001 Gold Wing - Yellow - Big Bird WHAT A RIDE!!! Do we each send you a bill for this therapy session or should we designate a current Honda Pacific Coast owner as a collection person? The couch is now open for the next patient:-) Will I get to see it at HSTA STAR 2001 in State College, PA this June? Tim Davies Seneca Falls, New York 13148 '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:00:13 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 10:59:32 -0800 To: yankeesmuggler@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) From: Jim Alexander Subject: Re: PC800: Another move to the even Darker (or maybe Lighter) Side? Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, pacificcoast@egroups.com <5.0.2.1.0.20010105090237.032bb450@pop.compuserve.com> Yes, please ... all send the bills c/o Tim Davies in Seneca Falls, NY ;-) You bet you will see us in State College, PA ... what do you think I got the Gold Wing for. ;-) Jim Alexander At 10:28 AM 01/05/2001, PC800 Rider wrote: >Do we each send you a bill for this therapy session or should we designate a >current Honda Pacific Coast owner as a collection person? > >The couch is now open for the next patient:-) > >Will I get to see it at HSTA STAR 2001 in State College, PA this June? > >Tim Davies >Seneca Falls, New York 13148 >'98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" > >AMA #688662 >HSTA #8387 >HRCA #HM100878 > >"The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:40:32 -0800 (PST) From: Jesus Soriano Subject: PC800: Re: [pacificcoast] Another move to the even Darker (or maybe Lighter) Side? To: pacificcoast@egroups.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu --- Jim Alexander wrote: .... > December 30, 2000 - Rode home on new 2001 Yellow > non-ABS Gold > Wing :-) :-) :-) :-) .... > OK, I've come clean .... now the PC800 world knows! > It's Ok Jim!. The new Goldwing it's just a PC800 on steroids! Jesus Soriano '95 PC800 "Raquel" San Diego, CA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:43:19 -0800 (PST) From: Jesus Soriano Subject: Re: PC800: So, you say you always wanted a nekkid PC? To: Rich Fenwick , pc800@hpc.uh.edu --- Rich Fenwick wrote: > Go see: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=536695482 > > There's your nekkid PC, and it's for sale... > That's really disguting!. It should be rated XXX! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: "'Jesus Soriano'" , Rich Fenwick , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: So, you say you always wanted a nekkid PC? Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:01:15 -0500 Interesting. Make me wonder if there isn't some relatively tidy aftermarket way to have increased gasoline carrying capacity, other than strapping on the extra tank like from a few days ago. The compartment looks spacious enough... -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jesus Soriano [mailto:jsori@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 3:43 PM To: Rich Fenwick; pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: So, you say you always wanted a nekkid PC? --- Rich Fenwick wrote: > Go see: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=536695482 > > There's your nekkid PC, and it's for sale... > That's really disguting!. It should be rated XXX! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Fri, 5 Jan 2001 14:21:25 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ben Crisologo" To: spain@ugsolutions.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: PC800 ride schedule in Southern California Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 22:21:20 Where is the ride on Jan. 20th going to be? Thanks, Ben Crisologo 95 PC800 Los Angeles _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail8.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 22:31:33 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "markie800" To: "PC800 List" Subject: PC800: Back among the living Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:28:43 -0600 We had our first nice day here in over a month. I put the forks and front tire back on FAUX, shined her up and went for a short (2 block) ride to see if I had put her back together correctly. Great feeling. Tomorrow, the weather-liars have promised that the temps will be in the forties and it will be nice again. I'm going riding. I'll let the list know what I think of the new Progressive fork springs when I return. Woo-Hoo, I got a motorcycle again Mark Gilb Arnold, Mo. (just south of the frozen tundra) 95 PC800 FAUX Shop Safely Online Without a Credit Card http://www.rocketcash.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Revill Dunn" Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:50:00 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Lunch Run Well, the weather was pretty, and it's Friday, and the rest of the group decided that they wanted to go to Lockhart for Meat. So, the Entire Legerity Layout Group loaded up in Paul's new van (Paul just had a seventh kid. No more minivans for his family. He's driving a 17 passenger church bus now) and my boss and I were Motorcycle Escorts. 20 very pretty but not terribly exciting minutes later, we were in Lockhart. You may recall my previous posting about Kreutz Market vs Smitty's. This time we tried Kreutz (pronounced Krites) Market, the new place put up by the Brother when Sis tried to raise the rent on the old place. Neither place believes in silverware or plates still, but Sis'll sell you beans and potato salad if you want. Kreutz still sells only meat, with your choice of white bread or crackers. DON'T ask for sauce. One of our guys asked for a rib plate as a joke. Not funny. "We got beef shoulder or brisket, and pork chops. Which you want?" This is the guy who's holding the foot and a half long knife. Somehow that makes a surly attitude much more effective. The new place isn't as smoky as the original, but I'm not sure that's an adavantage. A large meat lunch was had by all, and then we got another nice pretty 20 minute ride back to the office. Temp was in the 60's, sun was shining, saw 3 blue herons and maybe a dozen hawks. That Hardley of Joe's sure doesn't accelerate very fast. Sure is loud following him too. And tomorrow is supposed to be pretty too! Revill Rider of Whirby -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 20:00:52 -0500 From: Thomas Ongstad To: Jim Alexander CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, pacificcoast@egroups.com Subject: Re: PC800: Another move to the even Darker (or maybe Lighter) Side? Jim Alexander wrote: > December 30, 2000 - Traded 1998 ST1100 to Honda of Milpitas :-) > December 30, 2000 - Rode home on new 2001 Yellow non-ABS Gold > Wing :-) :-) :-) :-) > > What a great bike. Feels like a PC800 when you start rolling. Stable > low weight and wonderful torque. A little bit faster ;-) than a > PC800. A whole lot more expensive. What a RIDE! Jim, Sounds great. I am looking forward to seeing these bikes on the road next spring. Mine won't be for a few years down the road, but I do like what they have done to it. Good luck with the new steed and keep us informed. Thomas -- 93SE (Teal, ya hunh) 95Hannigan 97Pacific Coast (oh baby) GWTA of Michigan web site http://my.voyager.net/gwta/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FS3J8696; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 20:40:22 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 19:29:23 -0600 Subject: PC800: Signing Off List From: Jim M SMITH It appears the good doctors are going to keep me busy for the next 3 or 4 months so I'm signing off the list for awhile I would like to thank everyone for all the information during the last several years Hope to sign on again a few months Jim SMITH: 90 PC 29,000+ Springfield Mo ,Ann's Pegs Corbin Seat,Tall Shield,CycleCom, Priority Plus Lights OKCDOC@JUNO.COM, OKCDOC@AOL.COM PCOR# 207, Retreads Gateway Region (Springfield) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BillandScoot@cs.com Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:00:12 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Head 'em up and move 'em out! To: revill.dunn@legerity.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Revill, I wish I had known. I left about 15 minutes after I posted the note. Would have loved to have gone. Anyway went down to Laredo. Just for the ride. Went about 30 or so miles past Laredo towards Brownsville and turned back. Clocked just over 360 wonderful wind and sun in the face miles.......got back just after dark, and dear sweet Val had a big steak waiting for me on the grill.....yum! Bill Richardson 98PC"Scoot" San Antonio iPCRC #906 HRCA #001137 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ronrus@webtv.net (Ron Russell) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:28:55 -0600 (CST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Portable CD Player (revisited) Sorry but I got called away for work for a couple of days with no warning so I am just now catchin' up. A few follow up questions: 1. Can a portable CD player really handle the vibration of riding a bike as well as a cassette player? 2. Wouldn't changing CDs be more difficult on a bike? (Anyone can change a cassette with one hand, but a CD?) 3. Does it really matter (ear buds, speakers in the dash, etc.) once you reach 60 mph+? I already have ear buds but my ears get a bit sore after a while. What works best? Any comments? Ron -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaPC800Rider@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 00:16:24 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Mania To: peecee800@hotmail.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 1/5/2001 1:14:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, peecee800@hotmail.com writes: << DIV>
riding every day I'm sure I won't miss it...
I might not know the feeling of not having ridden my bike for
a couple of months though (not sure I could survive that...I'm
trying now to get used to not riding a whole week and it's bad
enough..)....
Spring....sigh... just a few more months guys...
Emile
(live from Toronto)
>> You desperately need to move south my friend... Troy Doyle '97 PC800 "Gabrielle" and '01 Chrysler 300M Summerville, SC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaPC800Rider@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 00:17:46 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Silver Wing Availability To: pkaputsos@post.harvard.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 1/5/2001 1:37:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, pkaputsos@yahoo.com writes: << Okay, so my dream bike, >> You mean dream "scooter" don't you? Troy Doyle '97 PC800 "Gabrielle" and '01 Chrysler 300M Summerville, SC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Will Edwards" To: Cc: "PC800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: How Big a Butthead Are You? Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:32:31 -0800 > > Will, I notice that you and Ralph (the first two > respondents) haven't specified how big a Butthead you > are...gonna share with us? > Sure I'll share, my butt is big enough to keep my tires firmly planted on the pavement. Will Washington state 96 PC800 Focus your eyes to where you want to be, Not to where you are afraid of falling to... . -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaMotorbike@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 05:39:10 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Portable CD Player (revisited) To: ronrus@webtv.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu 1, Yes they do if the bike is large enough (PC800 ok), and the Portable CD player isnt a cheap one. 2, Its hard, most HONDA CD players are Trunk changers so 6 discs are loaded and you cant change them while riding. 3, Helmet Speakers with a high windscreen on the PC are good at over 70mph, dash speakers are diff (will keep you posted as to that one!. Laters -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: sge2000@att.net by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with SMTP for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:58:51 +0000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) Subject: Re: PC800: Wintertask- The "Survival Index" Quiz Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 17:58:51 +0000 Tim, Maybe you, Ralph, and I should form our own little club? We could exclude anybody who can't get the right score! -- Steve Ewens Lee's Summit, MO iPCRC #1044 '89 PC800 Butthead Index: 30.5 Survival Index: 76 > > --- sge2000@att.net wrote: > > Interesting, Ralph. I also scored 76. Honest, I didn't copy! > > 76 here too. Hmmmm... > > ===== > Tim "Scuffy" Macy, Newberg,OR > > Stealthmobile - '94 Honda PC800 (121K) > STealthmobile II - '99 Honda ST1100 ABS-II (18K) > > AMA #492485, HRCA #239441, HSTA #6030, RCMC, STOC #1571 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: sge2000@att.net by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with SMTP for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:07:06 +0000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) Subject: Re: PC800: Back among the living Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 18:07:06 +0000 Mark, I'm glad your life is returning to "normal" in several ways! Enjoy your return to two-wheeled freedom. -- Steve Ewens Lee's Summit, MO iPCRC #1044 '89 PC800 Butthead Index: 30.5 Survival Index: 76 > We had our first nice day here in over a month. I put the forks and front > tire back on FAUX, shined her up and went for a short (2 block) ride to see > if I had put her back together correctly. Great feeling. Tomorrow, the > weather-liars have promised that the temps will be in the forties and it > will be nice again. I'm going riding. I'll let the list know what I think of > the new Progressive fork springs when I return. > > Woo-Hoo, I got a motorcycle again > > Mark Gilb > Arnold, Mo. (just south of the frozen tundra) > 95 PC800 FAUX > > > Shop Safely Online Without a Credit Card > http://www.rocketcash.com > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: sge2000@att.net by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with SMTP for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:48:02 +0000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) Subject: Re: PC800: How Big a Butthead Are You? Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 18:48:01 +0000 Same here. And then some! Steve > > > > Will, I notice that you and Ralph (the first two > > respondents) haven't specified how big a Butthead you > > are...gonna share with us? > > > > Sure I'll share, my butt is big enough to keep my tires firmly planted on > the pavement. > > Will > Washington state > 96 PC800 > Focus your eyes to where you want to be, > Not to where you are afraid of falling to... > . > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 15:06:46 -0500 To: "PC800 List" From: "Peter J.B. Teague, N1ACT" Subject: PC800: Motorcycle Show in Mass. next weekend!! Hi, all ! A "Motorcycle Show" is going to be held at the Shrine Auditorium at Aleppo Temple in Wilmington, MA on Sat., Jan. 13th and Sun., Jan 14th, 10am - 5pm both days Directions: Rt. 93 (going either N. or S.), take Exit 39, Rt. onto Concord St., then left onto FordhamRd. and follow signs. So far, I haven't been able to find any other info about it, but you can call the Shrine Auditorium at 978.665.6566 or 781.657.4202. FYI- For those that don't know, the Shriners are actually part of the Masons, a worldwide fraternal organization. Follow the Square & Compasses on my web site below for more info on the Masons. Happy riding! (As soon as the beautiful, white F(*&*(& snow melts again!) +Peter+ Peter J.B. Teague N1ACT Marblehead, MA '96 PC800 "Old Ironsides" (PCRC #1239) Home page: http://people.ne.mediaone.net/pjbt/HomePage -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BillandScoot@cs.com for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:53:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:53:04 EST Subject: PC800: Turn signal conversion kit (follow-up) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu My conversion kit from electrical connection arrived today. Was a fairly straight-forward installation as promised. Looks beautiful! I drilled the half inch holes on the bottom next to the original turn signal hole and closer to the lense to avoid the "peg" that holds the assembly in place. That placed the red bulb slightly inboard and slightly ahead of the original signal bulb. Gorgeous red glow and not a lot different than the original tail lights. Even shines a bit to the side to light up the marker reflectors. Then, when I turn on the signal the red bulb blinks off when the regular bulb blinks on and gives the standard amber turn signal. See: http://www.electricalconnection.co/other%20lighting/tsk-int.htm Bill Richardson 98PC"Scoot" San Antonio iPCRC #906 HRCA #001137 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BillandScoot@cs.com for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 21:11:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 21:11:23 EST Subject: PC800: Turn signal conversion kit (follow-up) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Oops: Try http://www.electricalconnection.com/other%20lighting/tsk-int.htm Bill Richardson 98PC"Scoot" San Antonio iPCRC #906 HRCA #001137 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaPC800Rider@aol.com for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 01:01:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 01:01:08 EST Subject: PC800: Tire question... To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Time to replace the rear, K177... If price alone wasnt a major concern at all, but longevity and handling were, would you go with a K555's or ME880's? I'm getting Gabrielle ready for a Charleston, SC to San Diego/LA back to Charleston trip... TIA, Troy Doyle '97 PC800 "Gabrielle" and '01 Chrysler 300M Summerville, SC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: sge2000@att.net by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with SMTP Sun, 7 Jan 2001 06:14:05 +0000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) Subject: PC800: Test Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 06:14:04 +0000 Don't think I've received any PC800 list messages in the last 6 or 8 hours. Not good! Am I automagically unsubscribed again? List server down? -- Steve Ewens Lee's Summit, MO iPCRC #1044 '89 PC800 Butthead Index: 30.5 Survival Index: 76 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BillandScoot@cs.com Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 09:03:02 EST Subject: PC800: Where did everyone go? To: sge2000@att.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Steve, I haven't gotten anything since yesterday afternoon.....The interface only shows a couple messages after then, mine and yours, but I did not receive them automatically as usual. Anyone else out there with same problem? Bill Richardson 98PC"Scoot" San Antonio iPCRC #906 HRCA #001137 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 06:42:38 -0800 (PST) From: Roger Ries Subject: Re: PC800: Portable CD Player (revisited) To: Ron Russell Cc: PC800 --- Ron Russell wrote: > Sorry but I got called away for work for a couple of days with no > warning so I am just now catchin' up. A few follow up questions: > > 1. Can a portable CD player really handle the vibration of riding a > bike as well as a cassette player? I have a mini-disk player (kind of like CD only smaller) and had problems with it being in the glovebox that is mounted on the handle bars. I have a small tank bag that is suction cupped to the faux tank and it works very well. No skipping at all on any road that I have travelled so far. > > 2. Wouldn't changing CDs be more difficult on a bike? (Anyone can > change a cassette with one hand, but a CD?) > I just pull over. > 3. Does it really matter (ear buds, speakers in the dash, etc.) once > you > reach 60 mph+? I already have ear buds but my ears get a bit sore > after > a while. What works best? I have helmet speakers from an intercom system I mounted on the PC. They work very well. I know Aerostich has some. http://www.aerostich.com/riderwearhouse.store Check out Music and Audio under the Navigating. They have custom earmold kits amoung other things. If nothing else goto the site and get there free catalog. It's awesome. Do it now. Trust me. > > Any comments? Read above. ;-) > > Ron > ===== Later Roger R Chaska, MN '98 PC800W - Red Alert (a.k.a. Ketchup) PCRC #46, HSTA #8516RG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sun, 7 Jan 2001 07:52:40 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "tteulon" To: "Pc800@Hpc. Uh. Edu \(E-mail\)" Subject: PC800: Testing Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 08:52:39 -0600 Importance: Normal Just testing, I haven't received any mail since Friday night. Todd Teulon South Texas "Zeniac" 1997 PC-800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ahall77379@aol.com for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 10:24:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 10:24:11 EST Subject: PC800: list down? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Haven't received any messages in a day or so. Is the list still operating? or is this my message in a bottle! Alan in Houston 89' PC Rifle +2 AudioVox ccs-100 cruise control Utopia backrest Hitch Doc GenMar risers Cycle-Mate trailer -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 11:37:56 -0400 From: Daniel MacKay To: Roger Ries Cc: Ron Russell , PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: Portable CD Player (revisited) Mail-Followup-To: Roger Ries , Ron Russell , PC800 I have worn my MD player lots on the bike with no problems. I put it in the bike's dash box or in my jacket's inside pocket. I use the amazing Sony Noise Cancelling Earbuds; they are expensive but allow you to listen to music quietly at speed which is pretty amazing. They are a little fussy to get a helmet over but when I want a break it's worth it. In general I don't listen to music or anything on the bike and the Noise Cancelling Earbuds mask everything - engine, tires, other cars so they have a down side too. -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sun, 7 Jan 2001 09:11:18 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "tteulon" To: "Pc800@Hpc. Uh. Edu \(E-mail\)" Subject: PC800: PC-800: Evans NPG Coolant for Motorcycle Engines Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 10:11:19 -0600 Importance: Normal Has anyone tried Evans NPG Coolant with their motorcycle? It is a non-water based coolant that allows you to run with zero pressure in the system and has both a high boiling temp and low freezing temp, and is supposed to deliver far better performance than the traditional coolants. I'm real tempted to try it out, their webiste is http://www.evanscooling.com Any comments would be appreciated. I have three quarts of Honda OEM coolant sitting by my side here waiting to be installed. I would have done it yesterday, however, my father called me up early in the morning to play around of golf and then afterwords it was so nice I just had to go for a little run. (Up to the brush country and back south to Rio Grande City and then back east to the coast and dinner with my wife) I installed new tires on my PC about 500 miles ago and it has made so much difference in both handling and ride. I cruised at around 85 and frequently exceeded 100 on the straight aways. I couldn't help throwing caution to the wind, and I felt like a kid again. At one point I held the throttle flat out for a stretch of about 5 miles and brought the speedo to 115 at it's max. I've never run the bike so hard before, but it performed wonderfully. It seems like the rev limiter kind of sticks a little when it kicks in. When the bike starts to miss is seems a little choppy, not just flattening out at the 7500 rpm level. Is that the normal way that they work? I'm still pumped up from yesterday's ride and would love to be out again this morning, however, now my mother has just called and wants to play a quick nine holes. Oh well, you know what its like trying to keep wives, parents and kids and grandkids happy. The responsibilities never end. Enjoy your day y'all! Todd Teulon South Texas "Zeniac" 1997 PC-800 y'all!
 
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-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Chuck Chiodini" To: Subject: PC800: Clutch R&R (long) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 10:06:26 -0600 HELP!!!: I have this complete file with pictures for each step in WordPerfect 9 format. I'd really like to see it included onto the PC Homepage for future reference but don't know how to do it. Need the help of a "Webmaster"....... Until then, this text file will have to do. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Pacific Coast Clutch Removal & Replacement NOTE: I used the Honda Pacific Coast shop manual as a guide but have modified those instructions slightly. See the owner's manual for following procedures: 1) Drain engine oil. (Optional if you use the "dirt bike" method of leaning the bike over onto it's left side so the oil remains in the left engine case.) 2) Remove right air duct/maintenance lid. Pull out from rear edge. 3) Remove right upper side cover. One #2 phillips screw under air duct lid. Release tabs under screw location. Pull cover free from boss/rubber grommets, one at top edge near tank shelter, two on lower edge of cover. 4) Remove both front fairing protectors. One 5mm socket head bolt each. Squeeze protector together to free tabs from upper front fairing and lower cowl, release. Pull off protector starting from rear edge. 5) Remove front lower cowl. One 5mm socket head bolt at each corner, ones at the upper corners under the(removed) fairing protectors. Release one plastic alignment pin from lower side cover per side. 6) Remove right saddlebag protector. Squeeze protector together to free tabs from lower cover and trunk cover, release. Pull off from starting from rear edge. 7) Remove right step holder cover. Pull off panel covering oil dipstick area starting at boss/rubber grommet at rear. 8) Remove right passenger foot peg. (Optional but makes the next step easier.) Two 7mm socket head bolts. Use blue Locktight on reassembly, torque = 25ft/lbs. 9) Remove right lower cover. Two 5mm socket head screws on front edge and middle of cover. One #2 phillips screw on lower rear edge. Free rubber retaining plug/hook on upper rear edge. Pull cover down and out to clear foot peg and brake pedal. NOTE: See the Honda shop manual for following procedures: 10) Remove right front bumper/crash bar. (Optional but makes the next steps easier.) Three 12mm bolts. Torque = 20ft/lbs. 11) Remove right crankcase cover. Fourteen 10mm cap bolts. Torque = 9ft/lbs. Use rubber hammer to loosen cover if needed. NOTE: Two dowel pins at the 5 and 11 o'clock positions should stay with crankcase. No need to remove timing hole cap from crankcase cover. 12) Remove clutch spring lifter bolts and springs. NOTE: Loosen/tighten in a crisscross pattern in two or three steps. 13) Lift off clutch lifter plate. No need to remove clutch lifter bearing, guide or rod. 14) Lift out discs. Notice how the first and last discs are always friction discs. Honda stock parts use different compounds/construction for these first and last two in particular and call them "Clutch disc A". The middle 5 friction discs are "Clutch disc B". Sandwiched between the friction discs are the steel driven discs (all the same). NOTE: Notice how the clutch/friction discs are keyed to the outer clutch basket which is gear driven by the crankshaft. The steel driven discs are keyed to the inner clutch basket/pressure plate which is attached to the transmission main shaft. You can visualize when the springs squeeze the friction and driven discs together (clutch released) the engine power from the crankshaft is transferred via the friction discs and steel driven plates to the transmission main shaft. When the spring pressure is released (clutch engaged), the lifter plate is pushed outward against the springs allowing the friction discs and driven discs "slip" and do not allow power transfer. 15) Inspect parts: a) New clutch/ friction discs should be 3.792-3.808mm thick. Wear limit = 3.3mm. b) Steel driven discs should be flat, check by laying on a piece of glass/mirror. Wear limit = .3mm. If abnormal slippage has occurred, the steel will be blued from heat friction and possibly warped. I placed an oil dampened sheet of #320 grit wet/dry sandpaper on the glass mirror and sanded the steel plates to remove surface glazing and to insure the plates were flat, even sanding marks over the entire disc. c) Insure the "fingers" on the outer clutch basket are not scored or bent. d) Insure the contact areas of the pressure plate and lifter plate are flat and not scored. Wear marks should be even around the inner circumference of the plate. High spots indicate warpage. e) Measure clutch springs for sag. New = 38mm long. Wear limit = 36.5mm. Reassembly 16) Scrape off all traces of old right crankcase cover gasket and install new gasket. This was the hardest step of the entire job. I used Permatex spray "Gasket Remover" (marginally worked) and lots of time with a razor blade. Before reassembly, I coated both sides of the new gasket with grease to prevent this problem in the future. Don't use gasket sealer. Honda gaskets have a bad reputation for baking themselves on parts. 17) Inspect new parts as step #15 above. My Clutch Factory springs had thicker coils and were 2mm longer than my used stock parts. 18) Oil new clutch/friction discs with fresh engine crankcase oil before assembly. Some folks soak the discs in oil from 2-24 hours prior to reassembly. WARNING: Failure to do this will result in the clutch locking up the first time you use it. 19) Reassemble the clutch pack in reverse of disassembly; clutch/friction disc "A" (or in the case of Clutch Factory parts, FD2), steel driven disc (they're all the same), clutch/friction disc "B" (or in the case of Clutch Factory parts, FD1), steel driven disc, keep alternating friction discs "B" and steel driven discs until all you have left is one clutch/friction disc "A" left, which fits between a steel driven disc (inboard) and the clutch lifter plate (outboard). 20) Replace lifter plate, springs and clutch spring lifter bolts. NOTE: Loosen/tighten in a crisscross pattern in two or three steps. NOTE 2: I broke one of these bolts while trying to torque it to 7 ft./lbs on reassembly. Try finding a grade 8 metric 6X20mm shoulder bolt on a Saturday afternoon in Arkansas! Avoid this by snugging the bolt down until you feel the lifter plate contact the inner basket. Spring tension will keep the bolts in place. 21) Watch clutch lifter plate as your assistant pulls in the clutch lever. It should lift smoothly off the discs with no "bowing" of the lifter plate (indicating binding springs). You should be able to hand rotate the inner basket with the clutch lever pulled in. It will drag a bit but shows the clutch disengages properly. With the clutch lever released, you should not be able to rotate the inner basket. 22) Install right crankcase cover. Fourteen 10mm cap bolts. Torque = 9ft/lbs. 23) Replace the oil filter, fill crankcase/engine oil (Optional, see step #1). Start engine, check for oil leaks. 24) Test ride. You really want to do this before you replace all the plastic parts! 25) Reassemble remaining parts by reversing steps #10-2. Tools needed: gasket scraper torque wrench #2 phillips screwdriver 10&12mm socket, rachet handle 5mm allen key for fairing removal 17mm wrench to remove oil plug, oil filter wrench (optional) 7mm allen wrench socket for passenger footrest removal (optional) micrometer and caliper to spec out old and new parts (or take them to a mechanic for this step) Parts needed: oil and filter (optional) Right engine crankcase gasket ($13.66 Milpitas Honda) Clutch friction discs and springs ($118.93 Milpitas Honda, $54.97 EBC brand from Chaparral, $62.98 KG Clutch Factory brand from Midwest Cycle Supply) Questions/comments? Chuck Chiodini 444 By-Pass Road, Heber Springs, Arkansas 72543 (501)362-1875 chiodinc@hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sun, 7 Jan 2001 08:19:05 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Chuck Chiodini" To: Subject: PC800: Slipping clutch cure Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 08:42:06 -0600 Fellow listers: Recently, a slipping clutch caused me a DNF on a coast to coast ride attempt. The problem was probably caused by weak clutch springs. Inspection of my clutch parts showed minimal wear on the friction discs (74,000 miles), slight glazing of the steel driven plates, one driven plate was blued due to friction heating and clutch springs that had compressed to 1/2 of their wear limit. I could have reused the friction discs but chose not to out of principle. Fellow lister, Randy Ashurst, found and contacted, Ray Nielsen , who posted similar problems/cure to this list years ago. Ray Nielsen put me in touch with Midwest Cycle Supply. I talked to parts pro, Mark Shiffler, who remembered the problem with the PC clutch and recommended "high performance" replacement parts manufactured by KG Clutch Factory. I ordered the Kevlar friction disc set, part # KG084-7 HPK ($50) and a "20%" stronger clutch spring set, part # KGS-035 ($8). NOTE: The spring set also fits '83-85 Yamaha 1200 bikes. I decided against using the stock Honda replacement parts since I suspected Honda purposely used weak springs to decrease the clutch lever pull effort. Both Mark Shiffler and fellow lister, Paco Solis, said they have had problems with EBC brand springs and discs. Many of my Harley riding buddies have experienced problems with clutch parts by Barnett, so that company was also out. Clutch removal and replacement was no big job, about two hours total. I will post step by step directions to the list. The hardest part was scrapping the old gasket off the right crankcase cover and crankcase! Once you get the plastic off, you are only one crankcase cover and 5 bolts from fixing the clutch so why take it to a dealer? No special tools/skills required. If you can change your oil and remove PC plastic, you can do this yourself. "Scooter's" clutch is now rock solid when it engages. Speed shifts at 7,000 rpm no longer give even a hint of slipping. Problem solved in a big way! Another plus is my transmission shifts more "positively" or "clunky", more like a BMW than Honda (due to clutch drag, I suppose). I definitely feel more connected to the engine/transmission now. On the down side, my clutch lever pull has increased about 20% and I would not choose this modification if most of my driving was in stop and go traffic all day. It's perfect for my style of riding! Thanks to fellow listers, Randy Ashurst and Paco Solis for their advice, effort and input. I was very pleased with the advice and service from Midwest Cycle Supply and Mark Shiffler . I would recommend KG Clutch Factory parts to anyone who is tired of a slipping PC clutch and doesn't mind a slight increase in clutch lever pull effort. To follow this post: a step by step set of directions for Pacific Coast clutch R&R including required tools and parts lists/sources/prices. Midwest Cycle Supply 4300 Nicollet Avenue South Minneapolis, Minnesota 55409 (612) 825-9774 Ride like your life depends on it! Chuck Chiodini in Heber Springs, Arkansas (going riding today!!!!!) '89 PC800 "Scooter" (with a "High Performance" clutch) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 12:15:02 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: sge2000@att.net by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with SMTP Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:54:09 +0000 To: "George Hilsinger" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) Subject: Re: PC800: Greetings Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 17:54:09 +0000 George, My profoundest apologies to you and the other good people of the great state of Washington! I grieve to think of the deep offense I so carelessly gave. Thank you for your restraint in pointing out to me my error. And please don't think that I ever thought so little of your great state as to blame you for L7ee. For that matter, is it really fair to blame Oregon, even? He's obviously an aberration, not typical of any particular group of people! ;-) -- Steve Ewens Lee's Summit, MO iPCRC #1044 '89 PC800 Butthead Index: 30.5 Survival Index: 76 > > > > > > >Lee, old buddy, you must really think I'm a sucker for a > >story like that, huh? I don't seem to recall receiving > >any payments lately. And you're way the heck out there > >in Washington state or whatever, and the friendly IRS > >folks are practically next door right here in KC. > > > > Hey, don't blame us for L7ee. He's a creature of the High Desert Country of > Or-ree-gone. > > > George Hilsinger > 97 PC800 Gypsy > Yakima, WA > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Importance: Normal ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: PC800: What a georgeous day to ride... To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Gregory Pius" Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 15:07:44 -0500 01/07/2001 03:07:46 PM Please don't feel sorry for us year-rounders, boy-o. We got it made, I tell ya... For those of you staring forlornly out the window at your particular patch of ice-strewn frozen tundra--able to get around only on your dogsled instead of your PC--I will shed but a single crocodile tear (how appropriate for Florida). The Sunshine State earned its name today. Crystal clear azure skies greeted me as I rolled out of my parking lot astride The Jolly Roger, a balmy 69 degrees nipped lightly at my leathers as I made my way down Atlantic Boulevard to A1A. I had myself a nice, relaxing ride along the beach. Not much in the way of scenery, if you know what I mean (wink wink nudge nudge), but that'll come in a few more months. Stopped by Marriott's Beach Place to see of Sloppy Joe's was open, wanted to get myself a Virgin Pina Colada. Not yet, they said. Oh, well. So with a Jimmy Buffet tune in my head, The Jolly Roger and I cruised on over to Cheeburger Cheeburger on Las Olas to grab a Cheeseburger in Paradise. *sigh* Winter in Ft. Lauderdale is surely my most favorite two weeks of the year. Gregory (Your Friendly Neighborhood Sysadmin) '95 PC800 "The Jolly Roger" <.sig> Gregory Pius, System Administrator IBM Advanced Technologies, Ft. Lauderdale, Florida piusg@us.ibm.com Tie Line 599-6940 - Voice (954)-958-6940 - Mobile (954)-658-2566 AOL Instant Messenger: GWPius -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: sge2000@att.net by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with SMTP Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:32:30 +0000 To: Majordomo-Owner@hpc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List), Ahall77379@aol.com, BillandScoot@cs.com Subject: PC800: PC800 list problem Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 20:32:29 +0000 In case you have not already been notified, there seems to be a problem with the PC800 list. Very few messages have arrived in the last 24 hours or so (from sometime Saturday afternoon to now, about 2:30pm central time Sunday 1/7/01). I have heard from two other list members with a similar problem. I attempted to see who was subscribed by clicking on the "Check who's on the PC800 list" button on the ipcrc site, and received an email saying that I was not subscribed. Thank you for your help with this situation. Steve Ewens -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BillandScoot@cs.com Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 15:35:22 EST Subject: PC800: Re: PC800 list problem To: sge2000@att.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Seems to be working now, at least here. Bill Richardson 98PC"Scoot" San Antonio iPCRC #906 HRCA #001137 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: sge2000@att.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List), Ahall77379@aol.com, BillandScoot@cs.com Subject: PC800: Re: PC800 list problem From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 07 Jan 2001 14:37:58 -0600 Lines: 22 >>>>> "s" == sge2000 writes: s> In case you have not already been notified, there seems to be a problem s> with the PC800 list. I don't see any trouble. s> Very few messages have arrived in the last 24 hours or so (from sometime s> Saturday afternoon to now, about 2:30pm central time Sunday 1/7/01). I s> have heard from two other list members with a similar problem. Messages only appear when people post them. I see recent traffic, and your message made it through fine. s> I attempted to see who was subscribed by clicking on the "Check who's on s> the PC800 list" button on the ipcrc site, and received an email saying s> that I was not subscribed. I don't know the mechanics of that site; I don't run it. The address "sge2000@worldnet.att.net" is definitely on the list. - J< -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BillandScoot@cs.com Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 15:50:47 EST Subject: Re: PC800: What a georgeous day to ride... To: piusg@us.ibm.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Gregory, you got that right. I just love it here in South Texas. We just went through a week or so that I didn't ride, but this weekend has been fantastic. I rode down to Laredo Friday, stayed a little closer to home yesterday (too many "honey-do's"), and today made a quick run around the south side of San Antonio. I guess the one thing you have over us is the beach with an ocean. We have the beach (especially west of here) but no water! But then, Corpus is only 150 miles away in the other direction. Nice. Bill Richardson 98PC"Scoot" San Antonio iPCRC #906 HRCA #001137 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 15:50:42 EST Subject: Re: PC800: What a georgeous day to ride... To: piusg@us.ibm.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 1/7/01 12:08:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, piusg@us.ibm.com writes: > Please don't feel sorry for us year-rounders, boy-o. We got it made, I tell > ya... > > Oh, but I DO feel sorry for you "year-rounders"! All you got to do is ride your motorcycle! When I moved up to Idaho from Tennessee a couple of years ago, I hated the thought that I would not be able to ride my PC as much as I did "down south". Well, this is indeed true, but now I have discovered the world of snowmobiling and ATVing and my GOD is that fun! Beautiful mountains and canyons to motorcycle ride in during the summer months, beautiful mountains and canyons to off road in during the winter months. I would never go back to only being able to motorcycle ride again. During the 20 or so years that I lived in the Houston area, I could pretty much ride year around. But ride where? Nowhere! There was absolutely no place any decent at all to ride that was not at least a three hour ride to get there. To all you good people that live where it is hot and muggy, good for you if you like that sort of thing. I have some of the best riding in the world right here, and I can do it year 'round on at least three types of vehicles! My only thought now is, can a Jet Ski be very far in the future? I think not! Russ Vernon -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sun, 7 Jan 2001 14:00:49 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "tteulon" To: "Pc800@Hpc. Uh. Edu \(E-mail\)" Subject: PC800: PC-800: Evans NPG Coolant for Motorcycle Engines Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 15:00:38 -0600 Importance: Normal -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: tteulon [mailto:tteulon@usaonline.net] Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 10:11 AM To: Pc800@Hpc. Uh. Edu (E-mail) Subject: PC-800: Evans NPG Coolant for Motorcycle Engines Has anyone tried Evans NPG Coolant with their motorcycle? It is a non-water based coolant that allows you to run with zero pressure in the system and has both a high boiling temp and low freezing temp, and is supposed to deliver far better performance than the traditional coolants. I'm real tempted to try it out, their webiste is http://www.evanscooling.com Any comments would be appreciated. I have three quarts of Honda OEM coolant sitting by my side here waiting to be installed. I would have done it yesterday, however, my father called me up early in the morning to play around of golf and then afterwords it was so nice I just had to go for a little run. (Up to the brush country and back south to Rio Grande City and then back east to the coast and dinner with my wife) I installed new tires on my PC about 500 miles ago and it has made so much difference in both handling and ride. I cruised at around 85 and frequently exceeded 100 on the straight aways. I couldn't help throwing caution to the wind, and I felt like a kid again. At one point I held the throttle flat out for a stretch of about 5 miles and brought the speedo to 115 at it's max. I've never run the bike so hard before, but it performed wonderfully. It seems like the rev limiter kind of sticks a little when it kicks in. When the bike starts to miss is seems a little choppy, not just flattening out at the 7500 rpm level. Is that the normal way that they work? I'm still pumped up from yesterday's ride and would love to be out again this morning, however, now my mother has just called and wants to play a quick nine holes. Oh well, you know what its like trying to keep wives, parents and kids and grandkids happy. The responsibilities never end. Enjoy your day y'all! Todd Teulon South Texas "Zeniac" 1997 PC-800 y'all!
 
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-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP Sun, 7 Jan 2001 13:54:59 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ralph Couey" To: , "Gregory Pius" Subject: Re: PC800: What a georgeous day to ride... Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 15:54:58 -0600 ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Gregory Pius" To: Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 2:07 PM Subject: PC800: What a georgeous day to ride... > Please don't feel sorry for us year-rounders, boy-o. We got it made, I tell > ya... Gregory, you are a cold, cruel, sadistic neighborhood sysadmin. I went out today into a balmy 37 degrees and did almost 35 miles before reality in the form of a cold front swept through and dropped the temps 10 degrees in an hour. Any jobs available in Florida? Ralph Couey Columbia, MO '95 PC800 "Seishin No Yomichi" "A life lived without risk is no life at all." -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Will Edwards" To: Subject: Re: PC800: What a georgeous day to ride... Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 14:21:58 -0800 Your right it was a gorgeous day for a ride. Bob and planned a ride up to Neah Bay. Bob never arrived so I went by myself. The temperature started out about 40 (F) but quickly warmed up to 42 over by the ocean. The roads weren't in the greatest condition, with the wash outs and some one put sand in all the corners. 320 miles later I got home (about 10:30 PM) and it had cooled off to 28 degrees. Today I found out what happen to Bob, he spent the night laying around in a hospital room flushing out a kidney stone. Poor guy, I've been through that one myself. This was better than last year, we were out on a ride when he came down with kidney stones. I had to leave him and return with my car to transport him to the hospital. For those who don't know, it is the most enduring pain I have ever had. Women who should know say it is worst than child birth. Anyway, Bob passed his stone and is feeling much better today. Will Washington state 96 PC800 Focus your eyes to where you want to be, Not to where you are afraid of falling to... . . ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Gregory Pius" To: Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 12:07 PM Subject: PC800: What a georgeous day to ride... > Please don't feel sorry for us year-rounders, boy-o. We got it made, I tell > ya... > > For those of you staring forlornly out the window at your particular patch > of ice-strewn frozen tundra--able to get around only on your dogsled > instead of your PC--I will shed but a single crocodile tear (how > appropriate for Florida). > > The Sunshine State earned its name today. Crystal clear azure skies greeted > me as I rolled out of my parking lot astride The Jolly Roger, a balmy 69 > degrees nipped lightly at my leathers as I made my way down Atlantic > Boulevard to A1A. I had myself a nice, relaxing ride along the beach. Not > much in the way of scenery, if you know what I mean (wink wink nudge > nudge), but that'll come in a few more months. > > Stopped by Marriott's Beach Place to see of Sloppy Joe's was open, wanted > to get myself a Virgin Pina Colada. Not yet, they said. Oh, well. So with a > Jimmy Buffet tune in my head, The Jolly Roger and I cruised on over to > Cheeburger Cheeburger on Las Olas to grab a Cheeseburger in Paradise. > > *sigh* Winter in Ft. Lauderdale is surely my most favorite two weeks of the > year. > > Gregory (Your Friendly Neighborhood Sysadmin) > '95 PC800 "The Jolly Roger" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Will Edwards" Cc: "PC800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 list problem Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 14:25:35 -0800 When I checked last night I thought it was strange that no one had posted anything, thought maybe everyone was out riding. Will Washington state 96 PC800 Focus your eyes to where you want to be, Not to where you are afraid of falling to... . . ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: To: Cc: "PC800 List" ; ; Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 12:32 PM Subject: PC800: PC800 list problem > In case you have not already been notified, there seems > to be a problem with the PC800 list. Very few messages > have arrived in the last 24 hours or so (from sometime > Saturday afternoon to now, about 2:30pm central time > Sunday 1/7/01). I have heard from two other list > members with a similar problem. > > I attempted to see who was subscribed by clicking on > the "Check who's on the PC800 list" button on the ipcrc > site, and received an email saying that I was not > subscribed. > > Thank you for your help with this situation. > > Steve Ewens > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Chuck Chiodini" To: "PC List Serv" Subject: PC800: Slipping Clutch Solution #2 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 16:52:31 -0600 Second try at posting this...... Fellow listers: Recently, a slipping clutch caused me a DNF on a coast to coast ride attempt. The problem was probably caused by weak clutch springs. Inspection of my clutch parts showed minimal wear on the friction discs (74,000 miles), slight glazing of the steel driven plates, one driven plate was blued due to friction heating and clutch springs that had compressed to ½ of their wear limit. I could have reused the friction discs but chose not to out of principle. Fellow lister, Randy Ashurst, found and contacted, Ray Nielsen , who posted similar problems/cure to this list years ago. Ray Nielsen put me in touch with Midwest Cycle Supply. I talked to parts pro, Mark Shiffler, who remembered the problem with the PC clutch and recommended "high performance" replacement parts manufactured by KG Clutch Factory. I ordered the Kevlar friction disc set, part # KG084-7 HPK ($50) and "20%" stronger clutch spring set, part # KGS-035 ($8). NOTE: The spring set also fits '83-85 Yamaha 1200 bikes. I decided against using the stock Honda replacement parts since I suspected Honda purposely used weak springs to decrease the clutch lever pull effort. Both Mark Shiffler and fellow lister, Paco Solis, said they have had problems with EBC brand springs and discs. Many of my Harley riding buddies have experienced problems with clutch parts by Barnett, so that company was also out. Clutch removal and replacement was no big job, about two hours total. I will post step by step directions to the list. The hardest part was scrapping the old gasket off the right crankcase cover and crankcase! Once you get the plastic off, you are only one crankcase cover and 5 bolts from fixing the clutch so why take it to a dealer? No special tools/skills required. If you can change your oil and remove PC plastic, you can do this yourself. "Scooter's" clutch is now rock solid when it engages. Speed shifts at 7,000 rpm no longer give even a hint of slipping. Problem solved in a big way! Another plus is my transmission shifts more "positively", more like a BMW than Honda (due to clutch drag, I suppose). I definitely feel more connected to the engine/transmission now. On the down side, my clutch lever pull has increased about 20% and I would not choose this modification if most of my driving was in stop and go traffic all day. It's perfect for my style of riding! Thanks to fellow listers, Randy Ashurst and Paco Solis for their advice, effort and input. I was very pleased with the advice and service from Midwest Cycle Supply and Mark Shiffler . I would recommend KG Clutch Factory parts to anyone who is tired of a slipping PC clutch and doesn't mind a slight increase in clutch lever pull effort. To follow this post; a step by step set of directions for Pacific Coast clutch R&R including required tools and parts lists/sources/prices. Midwest Cycle Supply 4300 Nicollet Avenue South Minneapolis, Minnesota 55409 (612) 825-9774 Ride like your life depends on it! Chuck Chiodini in Heber Springs, Arkansas (going riding today!!!!!) '89 PC800 "Scooter" (with a "High Performance" clutch) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sun, 7 Jan 2001 15:03:22 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Chuck Chiodini" To: "PC List Serv" Subject: PC800: Clutch R&R (long) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:05:10 -0600 Help!!: I have this entire file complete with pictures for each step in WordPerfect 9 format. I'd like to get this long file posted to the PC Home Webpages for future reference but don't know how to do it. Need the help of a webmaster. Until then, this text without pictures is the best I can figure out how to post. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Pacific Coast Clutch Removal & Replacement NOTE: I used the Honda Pacific Coast Shop Manual as a guide but have modified those instructions slightly. See the Owner's Manual for following procedures: 1) Drain engine oil. (Optional if you use the "dirt bike" method of leaning the bike over onto it's left side so the oil remains in the left engine case.) 2) Remove right air duct/maintenance lid. Pull out from rear edge. 3) Remove right upper side cover. One #2 phillips screw under air duct lid. Release tabs under screw location. Pull cover free from boss/rubber grommets, one at top edge near tank shelter, two on lower edge of cover. 4) Remove both front fairing protectors. One 5mm socket head bolt each. Squeeze protector together to free tabs from upper front fairing and lower cowl, release. Pull off protector starting from rear edge. 5) Remove front lower cowl. One 5mm socket head bolt at each corner, ones at the upper corners under the(removed) fairing protectors. Release one plastic alignment pin from lower side cover per side. 6) Remove right saddlebag protector. Squeeze protector together to free tabs from lower cover and trunk cover, release. Pull off from starting from rear edge. 7) Remove right step holder cover. Pull off panel covering oil dipstick area starting at boss/rubber grommet at rear. 8) Remove right passenger foot peg. (Optional but makes the next step easier.) Two 7mm socket head bolts. Use blue Locktight on reassembly, torque to 25ft/lbs. 9) Remove right lower cover. Two 5mm socket head screws on front edge and middle of cover. One #2 phillips screw on lower rear edge. Free rubber retaining plug/hook on upper rear edge. Pull cover down and out to clear foot peg and brake pedal. NOTE: See the Honda Shop Manual for following procedures: 10) Remove right front bumper/crash bar. (Optional but makes the next steps easier.) Three 12mm bolts. Torque = 20ft/lbs. 11) Remove right crankcase cover. Fourteen 10mm cap bolts. Torque = 9ft/lbs. Use rubber hammer to loosen cover if needed. NOTE: Two dowel pins at the 5 and 11 o'clock positions should stay with crankcase. No need to remove timing hole cap from crankcase cover. 12) Remove clutch spring lifter bolts and springs. NOTE: Loosen/tighten in a crisscross pattern in two or three steps. 13) Lift off clutch lifter plate. No need to remove clutch lifter bearing, guide or rod. 14) Lift out discs. Notice how the first and last discs are always friction discs. Honda stock parts use different compounds/construction for these first and last two in particular and call them "Clutch disc A". The middle 5 friction discs are "Clutch disc B". Sandwiched between the friction discs are the steel driven discs (all the same). NOTE: Notice how the clutch/friction discs are keyed to the outer clutch basket which is gear driven by the crankshaft. The steel driven discs are keyed to the inner clutch basket/pressure plate which is attached to the transmission main shaft. You can visualize when the springs squeeze the friction and driven discs together (clutch released) the engine power from the crankshaft is transferred via the friction discs and steel driven plates to the transmission main shaft. When the spring pressure is released (clutch engaged), the lifter plate is pushed outward against the springs allowing the friction discs and driven discs "slip" and do not allow power transfer. 15) Inspect parts: a) New clutch/ friction discs should be 3.792-3.808mm thick. Wear limit = 3.3mm. b) Steel driven discs should be flat, check by laying on a piece of glass/mirror. Wear limit = .3mm. If abnormal slippage has occurred, the steel will be blued from heat friction and possibly warped. I placed an oil dampened sheet of #320 grit wet/dry sandpaper on the glass mirror and sanded the steel plates to remove surface glazing and to insure the plates were flat, even sanding marks over the entire plate. c) Insure the "fingers" on the outer clutch basket are not scored or bent. d) Insure the contact areas of the pressure plate and lifter plate are flat and not scored. Wear marks should be even around the inner circumference of the plate. High spots indicate warpage. e) Measure clutch springs for sag. New = 38mm long. Wear limit = 36.5mm. Reassembly 16) Scrape off all traces of old right crankcase cover gasket and install new gasket. This was the hardest step of the entire job. I used Permatex spray "Gasket Remover" (marginally worked) and lots of time with a razor blade. Before reassembly, I coated both sides of the new gasket with grease to prevent this problem in the future. Don't use gasket sealer. Honda gaskets have a bad reputation for baking themselves on parts. 17) Inspect new parts as step #15 above. My Clutch Factory springs had thicker coils and were 2mm longer than my used stock parts. 18) Oil new clutch/friction discs with fresh engine crankcase oil before assembly. Some folks soak the discs in oil from 2-24 hours prior to reassembly. WARNING: Failure to do this will result in the clutch locking up the first time you use it. 19) Reassemble the clutch pack in reverse of disassembly; clutch/friction disc "A" (or in the case of Clutch Factory parts, FD2), steel driven disc (they're all the same), clutch/friction disc "B" (or in the case of Clutch Factory parts, FD1), steel driven disc, keep alternating friction discs "B" and steel driven discs until all you have left is one clutch/friction disc "A" left, which fits between a steel driven disc (inboard) and the clutch lifter plate (outboard). 20) Replace lifter plate, springs and clutch spring lifter bolts. NOTE: Loosen/tighten in a crisscross pattern in two or three steps. NOTE 2: I broke one of these bolts while trying to torque it to 7 ft./lbs on reassembly. Try finding a grade 8 metric 6X20mm shoulder bolt on a Saturday afternoon in Arkansas! Avoid this by snugging the bolt down until you feel the lifter plate contact the inner basket and then stop wrenching. Spring tension will keep the bolts in place. 21) Watch clutch lifter plate as your assistant pulls in the clutch lever. It should lift smoothly off the discs with no "bowing" of the lifter plate (indicating binding springs). You should be able to hand rotate the inner basket with the clutch lever pulled in. It will drag a bit but shows you the clutch does disengage properly. With the clutch lever released, you should not be able to rotate the inner basket. 22) Install right crankcase cover. Fourteen 10mm cap bolts. Torque = 9ft/lbs. 23) Replace the oil filter, fill crankcase/engine oil (Optional, see step #1). Start engine, check for oil leaks. 24) Test ride. You really want to do this before you replace all the plastic parts! 25) Reassemble remaining parts by reversing steps #10-2. Tools needed: gasket scraper torque wrench #2 phillips screwdriver 10&12mm socket, rachet handle 5mm allen key for fairing removal 17mm wrench to remove oil plug, oil filter wrench (optional) 7mm allen wrench socket for passenger footrest removal (optional) micrometer and caliper to spec out old and new parts (or take them to a mechanic for this step) Parts needed: oil and filter (optional) Right engine crankcase gasket ($13.66 Milpitas Honda) Clutch fri