********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jim Randall" To: "PC800 List" Cc: Subject: PC800: Fw: I have PC parts. Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 08:06:37 -0500 PC800 List, fyi... ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 1:12 PM Subject: I have PC parts. > Hello, my name is Crystal Napier and I have two 1989 Honda PC's. One is in > excellant condition and the other has been totaled. I would like to sell the > parts off of the one that has been totaled and I am not sure how to go about > doing that. I have a lot of good parts but unfortuneatle I have no plastic. > If you could please tell me how and where to put these parts online I would > greatly appreciate it. > Crystal Napier > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 07:27:54 -0600 Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 Parts Wanted/Parts for Sale From: Daryl Tschoepe To: PC800 Yeah Dave, Two of them... 1) Make sure the numbskull designing the database doesn't make any last minute name changes to the database to satisfy his own cravings for order and harmony. 2) Make sure said numbskull uses the same access method as everyone else, in case his shortcut bypasses the error. You might notice there is nothing required on your end ;-) So when you're talking to the database, it's Mac to Mac! Not that it matters, it's just fun to say. Sorry all, now I remember why I'm not a database guy...all that testing stuff. Later, Daryl It's possible that on 11/1/00 6:54 AM, Dave Steven at steven@capital.net hurled this into the void... > I use a Mac w/ Navigator. I can open the parts wanted screen but I get a > Database Not Opened message if I try to list parts. > Suggestions? > > Dave > > I have a stock wind screen (removed at1100 mi) and a complete seat assy w/ > utopia backrest in black. $25 and $150/exchange respectively. > > _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > _/ _/ > _/ Dave Steven _/ > _/ D. Steven Co. _/ > > _/ 52 Payn Avenue _/ > > _/ Chatham, NY 12037-1427 _/ > _/ (518) 392-3208/7234 _/ > _/ _/ > _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ -- "Bones heal and chicks dig scars. Pain is temporary, but glory is forever." - Bart Simpson <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Daryl Tschoepe tschoepe@earthlink.net <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 05:47:21 -0800 (PST) From: Christoffer Carstanjen Subject: Re: PC800: Throttle Rocker Owners: Please Read! To: Sayer , PC800 LIST someone prob'ly beat me to the punch... The plastic paddle when pushed "down on" actually makes it tighter against the stock grip. If you rotate it the other direction - it's loose - but not that loose. It still takes some manipulation to put it on. I have one (bet you all are surprised about that). I had to get used to mine for a bit; I'd hit it with my sleeve when rolling off the throttle and reaching for the brake. Sometimes, it gets into an undesirable position - just rotate it out of the way and reset it when you can. Eventually you'll find a comfortable spot. In around-town driving I use my thumb on the paddle, which is plenty strong - having the paddle point straight down to the ground. It's cool, I hope no one "borrows" it. I ought to get a spare... cmc It's off to the dentist to be fitted for a crown. Does that mean I can be king of Norway? I should launch a one person takeover of my birthright country. --- Sayer wrote: > --- Dave Steven wrote: > > I've been corresponding with the Throttle Rocker > inventor and he needs a > > little more positive market feedback. If you yould > buy a "lefty" version of > > the Throttle Rocker please send him an email and > cc me: > > > > To: trrocker@got.net > > Subject: "Lefty" Version > > I have yet to see the Throttle Rocker. One thing I > am confused about is whether > it is loose on the handle bar until pressure is > applied. I read somewhere that > it has a tendancy to move around the throttle grip. > Is this true? It seems that > it is very popular with PC800 owners. > > Sayer > > ===== > '96 PC800 "Discovery" > Herndon, VA > > Sayer's music: http://mp3.com/sayer and > http://mp3.com/dreamquest > Sayer's studio site: > http://members.aol.com/sayersweb/ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe > pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ===== Christoffer Carstanjen - 98PC800 Nebuchadnezzar __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Wed, 1 Nov 2000 06:44:40 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Chuck Chiodini" To: "eddie" , "Great Ned" Cc: "PC800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: What's in the bag? Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 08:38:07 -0600 Fellow listers: I usually write directions/navigation aids with grease pencil on my windshield. Easy to see even in heavy traffic without taking your eyes from the roadway. Easy cleanup with an alcohol wipe. Waterproof too. Lots of "great idea" comments from other distance riders. Sometimes simple is best! Ride like your life depends on it! Chuck Chiodini in Heber Springs, Arkansas '89 PC 800 "Scooter" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.20.01 AS-0098309) for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:07:26 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael & Marlisa Gunderson" To: "PC 800 LIST" Subject: PC800: Tank Bag List -- Current Update Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:05:28 -0600 1.) First Aid kit. (one for hiking. It rolls up into a soft nylon pack. = )=20 2.) Small pair of binoculars. 3.) Electrician's plastic wire ties. 4.) Cell phone. 5.) Zip-lock bags for souvenirs, using as rain covers for binoculars, = cell phones, cameras, etc... 6.) lib balm 7.) chewing gum (essential for mountain riding) 8.) 2XAA Maglite flashlight 9.) Camera/film. 10.) Sunscreen=20 11.) extra packages of ear plugs 12.) extra pair or two of gloves. I have gloves of 3 warmths. Things can = change. 13.) small notebook and pen, one each, retractable. 14.) Duct or Gaffer's tape wrapped around a pencil or pen. Never know = when you need it! 15.) Tire Gage 16.) Eyeglass Repair kit 17.) Thermal Underware--Long Johns ("Wintersilks" Brand-- they take up = less room) 18.) Valve core tool. For letting air out of tire and tightening stem = cores if needed. 19.) SPARE AA Batteries for Maglight!!!!!!!! 20.) Small (sample size) bottle of Windex or washer fluid for helmet and = windshield. 21.) Small Shop Rag. Or bundle of Napkins from fast food rest. 22.) Toilet paper. 23.) Spare button cell batteries for HJC chatterbox. (Mini hat-2-hat = intercom)=20 24.) SMALL ROAD ATLAS! (Can't ask for directions can we?) 8-) 25.) Clip on sunglasses (in case of losing/forgetting prescription ones) 26.) 2 (Store bought) Rice Krispies treats 27.) Black plastic round disc for side stand 28.) Pad of Post-it notes for leaving notes on other Motorcycles. 29.) Half a dozen CD's of various road tunes. 30.) 12V adapter for Sony Discman 31.) Personal Digital Assistant and modem cable 32.) Gold American Express, in case there is something I forgot but I = really need. 33.) A magnetic retrieval rod (telescopic type) incase you drop the left = rear cylinder spark plug in the heat shield casing. 34.) Grease Pencils or Dry Erase Markers for directions on Tank bags, = tupperware and windshields. 35.)=20 Anyone Else?? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:25:22 -0400 To: From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: Tank Bag List -- Current Update >33.) A magnetic retrieval rod (telescopic type) incase you drop the left >rear cylinder spark plug in the heat shield casing. Errrr how often do you expect to be doing spark plug R&R during a trip? (hint: spark plug recommended replacement interval is something like 12000 miles.) Now come on, tell us what you REALLY use that magnet for. Retrieving an engineer's iron ring from your belly after a brawl? Pulling nickels out of the coin machines in Vegas? Fishing for the binocs after they go PLOP over the side of that really scenic bridge? -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Wed, 1 Nov 2000 07:29:52 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Doug Allis" To: "pc800listserv" Subject: Re: PC800: Throttle Rocker Owners: Please Read! Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:29:44 -0500 I've found that it moves too much on my soft foam grips. I use it only on= long trips when I want to change my hand's position on the throttle. ----- : "Lefty" Version > > I have yet to see the Throttle Rocker. One thing I > am confused about is whether > it is loose on the handle bar until pressure is > applied___________________________________________________________ Get more from your time online. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://expl= orer.msn.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: pc800listserv Subject: PC800: Where Is It? Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:54:09 -0500 I have received suggestions that I consider the Clearview windshield as a replacement. I searched the web for them, and all I came up with was a buncha sites all pointing to the same irritating place, which was not what I was looking for. Anyone know where they really are, if they have a site? Thanks. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vK.4.02.00.10 201-232-116-110 license 1dc0b39e31881b14e43eebad2dae5270) Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:08:46 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve Wilson" To: "Goldberg, Saul" , "pc800listserv" Subject: Re: PC800: Where Is It? Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:05:02 -0600 http://www.clearviewshields.com/index.htm http://www.sporttouringusa.com/ Steve Wilson Ruston LA. ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Goldberg, Saul" > I have received suggestions that I consider the Clearview windshield as a > replacement. I searched the web for them, and all I came up with was a > buncha sites all pointing to the same irritating place, which was not what I > was looking for. Anyone know where they really are, if they have a site? > Thanks. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:13:38 -0800 (PST) From: Roger Ries Subject: Re: PC800: Tank Bag List -- Current Update To: Michael & Marlisa Gunderson Cc: PC800 I have always carried a quarter in my tank bag. I switched it to a Susan B. a while ago. That would be from 25 cents to 1 dollar for you foreigners. Like that makes sense, unless your from Canada. ;-) Small story. I always carried a quarter in case I needed to make a phone call or something. One day on the way home I was cruising down the freeway when my bike ran out of gas. No problem, reach down and twist the petcock to reserve. (This was on my Yamaha Maxim.) It was already on reserve. I am really out of gas. Darn. (Or maybe something else!!) Coast off the freeway. Push my bike a block to a gas station to fill up. Check my pocket. No wallet. Darn. Check my jacket? No wallet. Check the tank bag? No wallet. Hmmm... no gas, no wallet. Look through the tank bag find my quarter. OK I can call my roommate... a little early... might not be home... I'll get the answering machine... lose my quarter. I could get a quarters worth of gas!! I'm only a few miles from home. Push my bike up to the pump and put in 25 cents worth of gas. Go into the station to pay and of course a long line. Wait. "Ahh, yes, pump number three." "That will be... 25 cents?" Hand the guy the quarter hop on the bike and ride home. I smile every time I think of that story. --- Michael & Marlisa Gunderson wrote: > 1.) First Aid kit. (one for hiking. It rolls up into > a soft nylon pack. ) > 2.) Small pair of binoculars. > 3.) Electrician's plastic wire ties. > 4.) Cell phone. > 5.) Zip-lock bags for souvenirs, using as rain > covers for binoculars, cell phones, cameras, etc... > 6.) lib balm > 7.) chewing gum (essential for mountain riding) > 8.) 2XAA Maglite flashlight > 9.) Camera/film. > 10.) Sunscreen > 11.) extra packages of ear plugs > 12.) extra pair or two of gloves. I have gloves of 3 > warmths. Things can change. > 13.) small notebook and pen, one each, retractable. > 14.) Duct or Gaffer's tape wrapped around a pencil > or pen. Never know when you need it! > 15.) Tire Gage > 16.) Eyeglass Repair kit > 17.) Thermal Underware--Long Johns ("Wintersilks" > Brand-- they take up less room) > 18.) Valve core tool. For letting air out of tire > and tightening stem cores if needed. > 19.) SPARE AA Batteries for Maglight!!!!!!!! > 20.) Small (sample size) bottle of Windex or washer > fluid for helmet and windshield. > 21.) Small Shop Rag. Or bundle of Napkins from fast > food rest. > 22.) Toilet paper. > 23.) Spare button cell batteries for HJC chatterbox. > (Mini hat-2-hat intercom) > 24.) SMALL ROAD ATLAS! (Can't ask for directions can > we?) 8-) > 25.) Clip on sunglasses (in case of > losing/forgetting prescription ones) > 26.) 2 (Store bought) Rice Krispies treats > 27.) Black plastic round disc for side stand > 28.) Pad of Post-it notes for leaving notes on other > Motorcycles. > 29.) Half a dozen CD's of various road tunes. > 30.) 12V adapter for Sony Discman > 31.) Personal Digital Assistant and modem cable > 32.) Gold American Express, in case there is > something I forgot but I really need. > 33.) A magnetic retrieval rod (telescopic type) > incase you drop the left rear cylinder spark plug in > the heat shield casing. > 34.) Grease Pencils or Dry Erase Markers for > directions on Tank bags, tupperware and windshields. > 35.) > > > > > > Anyone Else?? > > > > > > ===== Later Roger R Chaska, MN '98 PC800W - Red Alert (a.k.a. Ketchup) PCRC #1022 a.k.a. #74, HSTA #8516RG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Revill Dunn" Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:20:24 -0600 "Re: PC800: Tank Bag List -- Current Update" (Nov 1, 9:13am) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, Roger Ries Subject: Re: PC800:Quarter Now, I'm going to date my self with this story. I used to fill up my bike with a quarter. Back when lizards were big enough to be a road hazard, I had a yamaha 50cc step through model. The "girls bike" version. It held almost a gallon, and would go 150 - 175 miles on a tank. Gas was 25 - 50 cents a gallon. I often got change back from my quarter. Of course, at the time I was working part time after school, making $1.50 / hour. Revill Rider of Whirby -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.20.01 AS-0098309) for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:41:13 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael & Marlisa Gunderson" To: "PC 800 LIST" Subject: PC800: Tank bag list keeps growing . . . Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:39:16 -0600 1.) First Aid kit. (one for hiking. It rolls up into a soft nylon pack. = ) *** 2.) Small pair of binoculars. 3.) Electrician's plastic wire ties. 4.) Cell phone.*** 5.) Zip-lock bags for souvenirs, using as rain covers for binoculars, = cell phones, cameras, etc... 6.) lib balm 7.) chewing gum (essential for mountain riding) 8.) 2XAA Maglite flashlight 9.) Camera/film. 10.) Sunscreen=20 11.) extra packages of ear plugs 12.) extra pair or two of gloves. I have gloves of 3 warmths. Things can = change. 13.) small notebook and pen, one each, retractable. 14.) Duct or Gaffer's tape wrapped around a pencil or pen. Never know = when you need it! 15.) Tire Gage 16.) Eyeglass Repair kit 17.) Thermal Underware--Long Johns ("Wintersilks" Brand-- they take up = less room) 18.) Valve core tool. For letting air out of tire and tightening stem = cores if needed. 19.) SPARE AA Batteries for Maglight!!!!!!!! 20.) Small (sample size) bottle of Windex or washer fluid for helmet and = windshield. 21.) Small Shop Rag. Or bundle of Napkins from fast food rest. 22.) Toilet paper. 23.) Spare button cell batteries for HJC chatterbox. (Mini hat-2-hat = intercom)=20 24.) SMALL ROAD ATLAS! (Can't ask for directions can we?) 8-) 25.) Clip on sunglasses (in case of losing/forgetting prescription ones) 26.) 2 (Store bought) Rice Krispies treats 27.) Black plastic round disc for side stand 28.) Pad of Post-it notes for leaving notes on other Motorcycles. 29.) Half a dozen CD's of various road tunes. 30.) 12V adapter for Sony Discman 31.) Personal Digital Assistant and modem cable 32.) Gold American Express, in case there is something I forgot but I = really need. 33.) A magnetic retrieval rod (telescopic type) incase you drop the left = rear cylinder spark plug in the heat shield casing. 34.) Grease Pencils or Dry Erase Markers for directions on Tank bags, = tupperware and windshields. 35.) Coins (a quarter -- a Susan B. Dollar -- a new GOLD dollar - oh no = not a color thread!!!!!!) Keep 'em coming everyone! MRG -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:43:19 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Hpdrifter 68" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Throttle Rocker Owners: Please Read! Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 12:43:18 EST I had an imitation one from WingThings, in Texas When I got my real one and tried to 'adjust' it as described by CaptainTupperware, it rotated diagonally and flew off at 60 MPH - goodbye throttlerocker! So be careful: try a setting and then adjust in small increments, or when you are sitting still. By the way, you can order them for $7.50 or less at: http://www.dwrracesupport.com/tr/throttle.htm >From: Christoffer Carstanjen >Subject: Re: PC800: Throttle Rocker Owners: Please Read! > >The plastic paddle when pushed "down on" actually >makes it tighter against the stock grip. If you >rotate it the other direction - it's loose - but not >that loose. Sometimes, it gets into an undesirable >position - just rotate it out of the way and reset it >when you can. Eventually you'll find a comfortable >spot. > Bill Lucek '97 PC - DreamWeaver '...My course is as elusive as a shadow across the sky' _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: PC 800 LIST Subject: PC800: Color Thread: Whooooooo Hooooo! Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:44:29 -0500 I came in late. Was that like, "Red is better." "No, green is?" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:57:32 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Hpdrifter 68" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800:Quarter Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 12:57:32 EST I remember when gas was twentyfive cents;And, I was making only $1.25 an hour. The las time I filed up the tank on my bike the station attendant tried to round up the amount to the nearest quarter, allegedly sine he didn't have any change - and I said sure, since the difference means so little anymore. I used to same my pennies in a jar, now if I throw all my change in, maybe I will fill the jar befoe pennies become extinct. Is this the rant of an old man? Should I just go with the flow and forget about the small (change) stuff? >Now, I'm going to date my self with this story. I used to fill up my bike >with >a quarter. Gas was 25 - 50 cents a gallon. I often got >change back from my quarter. > >Of course, at the time I was working part time after school, making $1.50 / >hour. > >Revill >Rider of Whirby Bill Lucek '97 PC - DreamWeaver '...My course is as elusive as a shadow across the sky' _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jeff Krause To: PC 800 LIST Subject: RE: PC800: Tank bag list keeps growing . . . Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:05:58 -0800 What size tank bag are we envisioning for these "standard" accutriments? - Will I still be able to see over the top of it? - Should I get a taller seat? - Will the aftermarket "Ralph Nader Airbag" still work with it? Jeff Krause 95 PC "800 MhZ" -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Michael & Marlisa Gunderson [mailto:mrgvideo@aeroinc.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 9:39 AM To: PC 800 LIST Subject: PC800: Tank bag list keeps growing . . . 1.) First Aid kit. (one for hiking. It rolls up into a soft nylon pack. ) *** 2.) Small pair of binoculars. 3.) Electrician's plastic wire ties. 4.) Cell phone.*** 5.) Zip-lock bags for souvenirs, using as rain covers for binoculars, cell phones, cameras, etc... 6.) lib balm 7.) chewing gum (essential for mountain riding) 8.) 2XAA Maglite flashlight 9.) Camera/film. 10.) Sunscreen 11.) extra packages of ear plugs 12.) extra pair or two of gloves. I have gloves of 3 warmths. Things can change. 13.) small notebook and pen, one each, retractable. 14.) Duct or Gaffer's tape wrapped around a pencil or pen. Never know when you need it! 15.) Tire Gage 16.) Eyeglass Repair kit 17.) Thermal Underware--Long Johns ("Wintersilks" Brand-- they take up less room) 18.) Valve core tool. For letting air out of tire and tightening stem cores if needed. 19.) SPARE AA Batteries for Maglight!!!!!!!! 20.) Small (sample size) bottle of Windex or washer fluid for helmet and windshield. 21.) Small Shop Rag. Or bundle of Napkins from fast food rest. 22.) Toilet paper. 23.) Spare button cell batteries for HJC chatterbox. (Mini hat-2-hat intercom) 24.) SMALL ROAD ATLAS! (Can't ask for directions can we?) 8-) 25.) Clip on sunglasses (in case of losing/forgetting prescription ones) 26.) 2 (Store bought) Rice Krispies treats 27.) Black plastic round disc for side stand 28.) Pad of Post-it notes for leaving notes on other Motorcycles. 29.) Half a dozen CD's of various road tunes. 30.) 12V adapter for Sony Discman 31.) Personal Digital Assistant and modem cable 32.) Gold American Express, in case there is something I forgot but I really need. 33.) A magnetic retrieval rod (telescopic type) incase you drop the left rear cylinder spark plug in the heat shield casing. 34.) Grease Pencils or Dry Erase Markers for directions on Tank bags, tupperware and windshields. 35.) Coins (a quarter -- a Susan B. Dollar -- a new GOLD dollar - oh no not a color thread!!!!!!) Keep 'em coming everyone! MRG -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by smtp.namezero.com (209.228.14.66) with SMTP; 1 Nov 2000 08:59:01 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "Goldberg, Saul" , "pc800listserv" Subject: Re: PC800: Where Is It? Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:58:50 +0100 http://www.clearviewshields.com At your service, Emile Europe, Netherlands www.piloot.com -------------------------------------------------- www.st1100.net '92 ST ABS/TCS "Eclipse" www.ipcrc.org internet Pacific Coast Riders Club PCRC# 63, STOC# 1090, PanEuro# 59 ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: "pc800listserv" Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 5:54 PM Subject: PC800: Where Is It? I have received suggestions that I consider the Clearview windshield as a replacement. I searched the web for them, and all I came up with was a buncha sites all pointing to the same irritating place, which was not what I was looking for. Anyone know where they really are, if they have a site? Thanks. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.20.01 AS-0098309) for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:00:50 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael & Marlisa Gunderson" To: Subject: Re: PC800:Quarter Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:58:54 -0600 DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS ON A PACIFIC COAST My Dad used to tell stories of going to the neighborhood fillin' = stations after close and emptying all the hoses on all the pumps into = the tank on his '57 Chevy. How's that for thrifty! "May the COAST be with you!" Mike Gunderson Davis, IL USA 1989 Pacific Coast "STORMTROOPER" mrgvideo@aeroinc.net http://mrgunderson.tripod.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roq8cyans@aol.com for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:18:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:18:54 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Tank Bag List -- Current Update To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 11/1/00 8:06:40 AM Mountain Standard Time, mrgvideo@aeroinc.net writes: > Subj: PC800: Tank Bag List -- Current Update > Date: 11/1/00 8:06:40 AM Mountain Standard Time > From: mrgvideo@aeroinc.net (Michael & Marlisa Gunderson) > Reply-to: mrgvideo@aeroinc.net (Michael & Marlisa Gunderson) > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC 800 LIST) > > 1.) First Aid kit. (one for hiking. It rolls up into a soft nylon pack. ) > 2.) Small pair of binoculars. > 3.) Electrician's plastic wire ties. > 4.) Cell phone. > 5.) Zip-lock bags for souvenirs, using as rain covers for binoculars, cell > phones, cameras, etc... > 6.) lib balm > 7.) chewing gum (essential for mountain riding) > 8.) 2XAA Maglite flashlight > 9.) Camera/film. > 10.) Sunscreen > 11.) extra packages of ear plugs > 12.) extra pair or two of gloves. I have gloves of 3 warmths. Things can > change. > 13.) small notebook and pen, one each, retractable. > 14.) Duct or Gaffer's tape wrapped around a pencil or pen. Never know when > you need it! > 15.) Tire Gage > 16.) Eyeglass Repair kit > 17.) Thermal Underware--Long Johns ("Wintersilks" Brand-- they take up less > room) > 18.) Valve core tool. For letting air out of tire and tightening stem cores > if needed. > 19.) SPARE AA Batteries for Maglight!!!!!!!! > 20.) Small (sample size) bottle of Windex or washer fluid for helmet and > windshield. > 21.) Small Shop Rag. Or bundle of Napkins from fast food rest. > 22.) Toilet paper. > 23.) Spare button cell batteries for HJC chatterbox. (Mini hat-2-hat > intercom) > 24.) SMALL ROAD ATLAS! (Can't ask for directions can we?) 8-) > 25.) Clip on sunglasses (in case of losing/forgetting prescription ones) > 26.) 2 (Store bought) Rice Krispies treats > 27.) Black plastic round disc for side stand > 28.) Pad of Post-it notes for leaving notes on other Motorcycles. > 29.) Half a dozen CD's of various road tunes. > 30.) 12V adapter for Sony Discman > 31.) Personal Digital Assistant and modem cable > 32.) Gold American Express, in case there is something I forgot but I really > need. > 33.) A magnetic retrieval rod (telescopic type) incase you drop the left > rear cylinder spark plug in the heat shield casing. > 34.) Grease Pencils or Dry Erase Markers for directions on Tank bags, > tupperware and windshields. > 35.) I don't have a tank bag, just velcro to attach a CD/radio walkman atop a foam pad to the tank -- so these go in the trunk: 35.) Spare open-face helmet -- for the occasional hitchhiker. (I wear a Nolan N100) 36.) Clear or tinted helmet visor, and other helmet accessories (chin cover, breath deflector, fog shield) that are not attached to the helmet at the time. 37.) Bandanna (to cover face and front of neck underneath helmet for warmth). 38.) Cable for securing the Nolan N100 to the passenger grips. 39.) Pint bottle of coolant (premixed) 40.) Quart of motor oil. I haven't needed the last two yet(knock on Tupperware!) Rusty J. Ogden UT '89 PC The Pale Horse -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: "Goldberg, Saul" , "PC 800 LIST" Subject: Re: PC800: Color Thread: Whooooooo Hooooo! Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:26:00 -0800 Just a hint, Saul: It has to do with dustbins, fire engines and refrigerators. Lee Barker 95 "Secondo con Brio" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Goldberg, Saul=20 To: PC 800 LIST=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 9:44 AM Subject: PC800: Color Thread: Whooooooo Hooooo! I came in late. Was that like, "Red is better." "No, green is?"=20 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: "Hpdrifter 68" , Subject: Re: PC800:Quarter Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:27:31 -0800 > > '...My course is as elusive as a shadow across the sky' > > Bill, does this quote mean you teach a class in, oh, Women's Studies? Lee Barker 95 "Secondo con Brio" _________________________________________________________________________ > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:04:36 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:04:31 -0600 Subject: Re: PC800:Quarter From: Daryl Tschoepe To: PC800 It's possible that on 11/1/00 11:20 AM, Revill Dunn at revill.dunn@legerity.com hurled this into the void... > It held almost a gallon, and would > go 150 - 175 miles on a tank. Even when riding uphill in the snow both directions...right? Later, Daryl -- *** Top 10 Reasons to Procrastinate *** 1. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Daryl Tschoepe '98 SuperHawk #3693 tschoepe@earthlink.net '90 Pacific Coast #2010 & Project Gold Wing - '77 GL 1000 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Revill Dunn" Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:28:53 -0600 "Re: PC800:Quarter" (Nov 1, 3:04pm) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800:Quarter On Nov 1, 3:04pm, Daryl Tschoepe wrote: > Subject: Re: PC800:Quarter > It's possible that on 11/1/00 11:20 AM, Revill Dunn at > revill.dunn@legerity.com hurled this into the void... > > > It held almost a gallon, and would > > go 150 - 175 miles on a tank. > > Even when riding uphill in the snow both directions...right? > > Later, > > Daryl Yeah, it went uphill. And it really did get nearly 200 mpg. Of course, the miles didn't go by very fast. 28 mph downhill, with a tailwind. Snow? In Austin? Weel, actually, I do remember once. I was working as a shoe salesman at JC Penney's in Highland Mall evenings. It started sleeting and snowing in the morning. Of course all of Austin closed down. Classes were cancelled at the University. I went home and played in the street with the scooter a bit, and decided that sleet, snow, freezing rain and two wheels don't mix well. It continued to drip various versions of frozen precipitation most of the afternoon. When it came time to go to work I called my boss, expecting the evening off. "Hell No, we're not closed! If you don't get in here on time You're Fired"! (He was from Milwaukee and didn't have much patience with the Texas response to a freeze). So, I looked at the scooter, and left it on the back porch. Put on my salesman costume, slicked my hair back and walked out to North Lamar with my thumb. I stood there for a while freezing my butt off in my polyester sport coat and slacks. No Traffic. None. Not even police were on the road. I started walking (It was about 3 miles; doable, but not pleasant). As I passed the 45th. St. intersection, a little Opel Cadette coupe came south on Lamar doing about 10 mph. The light changed. He tried to stop. Turned 90 degrees to the right. Corrected. Oops, overcorrected. 90 degrees to the left now. Overcorrected again, 90 degrees, then 180 degrees. Slid through the intersection backwards, still going about 9 mph. Not a problem, there wasn't another car in sight. He continued sliding for three or four blocks, back and forth and round and round, finally coming to a rest against the right curb pointing the correct direction down the road. The driver sat there a while. The lights went off. The door opened. He got out, hitched his collar up around his neck, locked the doors, and started walking south. I walked all the way to work, arriving five minutes before Late. The Mall Security cops were locking the main entrance; the Mall management had declared the entire mall, including the J.C. Penney shoe department closed. Revill -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:38:49 -0600 To: Francois Saint Laurent From: "R. Fenwick" Subject: PC800: My Metzelers (was: Plastic off?) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu <4.1.20001031141833.00d794f0@medusa.nn.com> FSL wrote: >Hey Rich. > >What size of Metzeler did you go with? > >Curious in Chicago...... > >fsl OK, for all those inquiring minds out there... I went with the stock sizes. Since I was having the BMW dealer do this, I didn't want any surprises. I didn't want any issues where something went wrong and they could say "It's what YOU wanted, and it ISN'T the stock size..." If I had gone to a different size of a rear tire, I would have used a 140/90... The BMW shop (as expected) ended up being the cheapest local shop. They beat the Honda dealer *and* the Independent shop by at least $45.00. I was pleased. They charged what I thought were reasonable prices for the tires, and then only charged $52.00 for ALL the labor (mounting, balancing, and R & R). That's only $26.00 per wheel... Plus, the wheel weights have little BMW emblems on them.... (isn't that just so cute...!) I am pleased with the tires so far. They do ride somewhat rougher, but I suspect that some of that will go away once the tires get broken in and get a few miles on them. The Metzelers seem to make the bike feel like it weighs 100 pounds less than it does when maneuvering it around. I have now used K177's, K555's, and ME880's. The ME880's seem to make the PC handle the best with the least amount of input from me. Rich Fenwick -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Thompson, Neill" To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: PC800: Greetings from www.pc800.net RE: Y2K ride video Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:06:00 -0700 I'm not currently subscribed to the list but I wanted to pass along a copy of a message that I sent to the folks who attended the Y2K ride. If you have any questions or comments, reply to me at neillnsteph@hotmail.com . Non members of the egroups site probably won't have access rights to the copy at that location but anybody should be able to get to the files at the MSN community site. Enjoy, Neill =========================== Just to assure you that I'm still actively working on video editing, here is a clip taken just after lunch at the Boulevard Grill. I didn't get everybody but there are a heck of a lot of bikes in this one. See if you recognize yourself! Hope you have the bandwidth because it's a pretty large file. I put it at both of these sites: http://www.msnusers.com/PC800/files/aftertheboulevard.mpg or http://www.egroups.com/files/pacificcoast/aftertheboulevard.mpg ============================ There is another clip at: http://www.msnusers.com/PC800/files/redwood_riding.mpg Neill Thompson Senior Quality Control Engineer Sequencia Corporation Email: neill.thompson@sequencia.com Internet: www.sequencia.com Address: 15458-B North 28th Avenue, Phoenix, AZ 85053 Phone: 602-896-3989 (direct dial) Fax: 602-896-3896 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "eddie" To: "PC800 List" Subject: PC800: ME880 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:23:56 -0500 Got the new Metzler ME880 front mounted this afternoon. Rode around the city streets a bit to notice any change in general handling. Nice and light/neutral. The low-medium speed shakes are GONE! Took it up the expressway up to 75-80mph and no surprises. In short. I like it. -eddie "Would you tell me, please, which way I ought to go from here? " "That depends a good deal on where you want to get to," said the Cat. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m15.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FMTT3U3M; Wed, 01 Nov 2000 17:22:21 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: transalp1@mindspring.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:24:24 -0600 Subject: Re: PC800: ME880 From: Tony L Miller Same thing happened to me. Except I replaced my worn out Dunlop with a brand new one of the same type. I think worn tires contribute to the shakes. Tony On Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:23:56 -0500 "eddie" writes: > Got the new Metzler ME880 front mounted this afternoon. > Rode around the city streets a bit to notice any change in general > handling. > Nice and light/neutral. > The low-medium speed shakes are GONE! > Took it up the expressway up to 75-80mph and no surprises. > In short. I like it. > -eddie > > "Would you tell me, please, which way I ought to go from here? " > "That depends a good deal on where you want to get to," said the > Cat. > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body > of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "eddie" To: "PC800 List" Subject: PC800: Tire change. Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:36:09 -0500 Left out the best part: I went to pay for mounting/balancing the tire on the PC, (I did 90% of the work myself with their tools,etc...) The shop owner shook his head and said, "No charge. I'll call you when I need a hand with a project." It's a two person business. I stop by help out very now and then as it is. Nice to know places like this still exist. -eddie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: CRYSTALNAPIER@cs.com for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:36:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:36:58 EST Subject: PC800: Greetings%20from%20www.pc800.net To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu My name is Crystal Napier and I have a 1989 Honda PC. It has been wrecked and I am wanting to sell some of the parts from it. I have engine, complete drive train in excellant condition. Many, Many parts only 20,000 miles on motor. A ral bargain on parts or all. Thank you for your time. Crystal Napier -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:13:44 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tim Macy" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Greetings from www.pc800.net Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 17:13:44 PST >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Pat Jones" >hello all I recently purchased my dads pc800 in >oregon..I rode the bike >back here to texas and have not >been able to find a pc800 club here in the >DFW area.. I >am not wanting to ride to houston to join a club .. can > >anyone HELP!!! Jeez, Pat, ya shoulda stayed in Orygun--there's lots of us here! Who was your dad? I know a Mike Jones in McMinnville who owns a PC--haven't heard from him in a while... Tim "Scuffy" Macy Newberg, OR Stealthmobile - '94 Honda PC800 (121K) STealthmobile II - '99 Honda ST1100 ABS-II (16K) AMA #492485 HRCA #239441 HSTA #6030 RCMC STOC #1571 "Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?" - Presidential candidate George W. Bush _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BillandScoot@cs.com Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 20:16:09 EST Subject: Re: PC800:Quarter To: hpdrifter68@hotmail.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu You both are making me feel old....I once worked for $1.10. In LA in the 60's at a car wash. Class of 65 Bill Richardson 98PC"Scoot" San Antonio iPCRC #906 HRCA #001137 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "eddie" To: "PC800 List" Subject: PC800: Clutches of boredom... Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 20:34:16 -0500 I had a bottle of brake fluid sitting on the shelf and thought "why not change the clutch fluid?" For those that haven't attempted this task before, it cost about $4 and took between 30-45 minutes, tops. Just curious: Has anyone else tried to wrap the threads of the clutch fluid bleeding screw with teflon tape (to seal against air bubbles) only to find that Honda already thought of that problem and added an O-ring to the screw? Cool! Don't you love the engineering on this bike? -eddie “The spirit of the time shall teach me speed.” The Bastard, King John, Act IV Scene II, Shakespeare -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: Blue PC for sale, 1 day to go Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 02:26:15 +0100 Neill forwarded this, check out this beautifull blue pc for sale: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=481005589&r=0&t=0 (Be sure that the whole previous line is in the site address bar) Only 1 day and 1 hour to go before it closes, reserve is met... Emile Europe, Netherlands www.piloot.com -------------------------------------------------- www.st1100.net '92 ST ABS/TCS "Eclipse" www.ipcrc.org internet Pacific Coast Riders Club PCRC# 63, STOC# 1090, PanEuro# 59 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:26:38 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tim Macy" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: 'Nother Question Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 17:26:38 PST >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Goldberg, Saul" >It seems like all replies are individual. Is there >any "public" discussion >other than the posting of the >original question? I might like to >"eavsdrop" on >discussions of other issues, and vice versa. Saul, if it's info that you're looking for on the PC800--and if ya want to learn a LOT about the bike from previous threads--go to: www.ipcrc.org/ Under "PC800 Technical Info" you'll see a link called "PC800 Mailing List Archive". After perusing that for a few fun-filled weeks you'll know so much we'll be asking you about technical stuff! Tim "Scuffy" Macy Newberg, OR Stealthmobile - '94 Honda PC800 (121K) STealthmobile II - '99 Honda ST1100 ABS-II (16K) AMA #492485 HRCA #239441 HSTA #6030 RCMC STOC #1571 "Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?" - Presidential candidate George W. Bush _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:31:09 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tim Macy" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: GUESS WHAT??!!?? Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 17:31:09 PST Hey, guys, remember a few months back when I was bitching and moaning about not being able to browse the "www.pc800.net/ link at the bottom of our mail because the menu never loaded? Well, Guess What?? IT STILL DOESN'T LOAD! If it weren't for the ipcrc.org/ site I wouldn't have access to anything! OBTW, since I'm on a rant, I'm going to switch over to mail.com for my motorcycle e-mail 'cause this damned Hotmail sucks. Half the time it locks up when I'm typing a reply and I have to reboot. Bye bye Bill!! Tim "Scuffy" Macy Newberg, OR Stealthmobile - '94 Honda PC800 (121K) STealthmobile II - '99 Honda ST1100 ABS-II (16K) AMA #492485 HRCA #239441 HSTA #6030 RCMC STOC #1571 "Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?" - Presidential candidate George W. Bush _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 19:38:55 -0600 Subject: Re: PC800: Greetings from www.pc800.net RE: Y2K ride video From: Daryl Tschoepe To: PC800 I guess that fourth PC must be either Rich or Tim on the way to get new tires...no tupperware! It's possible that on 11/1/00 4:06 PM, Thompson, Neill at Neill.Thompson@Sequencia.com hurled this into the void... > http://www.msnusers.com/PC800/files/aftertheboulevard.mpg > or > http://www.egroups.com/files/pacificcoast/aftertheboulevard.mpg > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ronrus@webtv.net (Ron Russell) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:53:15 -0600 (CST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Great weather, fresh tires, etc. I just returned from 5 days up in Myrtle Beach, SC and I spent several days away from my bike playing golf. Believe it or not (and some of you may not), I have had my PC since May, 99 and today was the first time I had actually seen a PC going down the road. A red PC passed us on the right on HWY 17S this afternoon on the way to the airport. (SC does not have a helmet law it seems!) Anyway, the weather was perfect at about 72-76 degrees F there every day even if it was late Oct- early Nov. Sometimes it is really nice to live in the South. I arrived home from the flight to Montgomery, AL and I heard the high here was 84 today on Nov 1. My new tires were sitting in the hall. I can smell them from here. Tomorrow I go riding again. I gotta go. (The new tires will be on real soon. MAW got them here in 3 days! I was impressed.) It should be over 80 degrees at least for a few more days. The South has its problems but bad weather is not one of them, at least not right now. I love warm weather! Ron -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "Tim Macy" cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: PC800: Re: GUESS WHAT??!!?? of "Wed, 01 Nov 2000 17:31:09 PST." Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 20:02:37 -0600 "Tim Macy" writes: > Hey, guys, remember a few months back when I was bitching and moaning about > not being able to browse the "www.pc800.net/ link at the bottom of our mail > because the menu never loaded? > > Well, Guess What?? IT STILL DOESN'T LOAD! If it weren't for the ipcrc.org/ > site I wouldn't have access to anything! The site requires Javascript to load the menus. That's why I never bother. If I get snowed in for a week or two this winter (in Alabama) then I have some ideas I might try out now that I have a 24/7 cable modem connection and can do anything I wish to the software on the server side. Browse my headers and you'll see my home computer is delivering this direct w/o the ISP mail server in between. Incoming email works too. But I haven't opened Apache thru the firewall yet as I haven't stopped playing with PHP and Postgresql. More important things are pressing such as painting the house and moving email from exmh to mutt. (BTW: "Grumpy" is my oldest cat. Amuses me to name my computer after him. One minute he'll bite. The next he'll snuggle.) -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G3DKRZ02.9HE; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 21:11:59 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Fenwick" To: "Emile Nossin" , "PC800" Subject: PC800: You're joking, right? (was: Blue PC for sale, 1 day to go) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 20:15:29 -0600 Sounds like a nice bike, if you like 'em wrecked and rebuilt before you buy it... (and not being able to see how badly it was really wrecked...) Buying a motorcycle with a "Salvage" title??? You're joking, right? I'd give about $1500 for it, and no more because of the Salvage title. There's too many nice ones out there to pay over $3,300 for questionable unit. Rich Fenwick rfenwick@core.com http://pc_800.tripod.com 1990 Honda PC800 HRCA - HM725413 AMA - 361534 ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Emile Nossin To: PC800 Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 7:26 PM Subject: PC800: Blue PC for sale, 1 day to go > Neill forwarded this, check out this beautifull blue pc for sale: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=481005589& r=0&t=0 > > (Be sure that the whole previous line is in the site address bar) > Only 1 day and 1 hour to go before it closes, reserve is met... > > Emile > Europe, Netherlands > www.piloot.com > -------------------------------------------------- > www.st1100.net '92 ST ABS/TCS "Eclipse" > www.ipcrc.org internet Pacific Coast Riders Club > PCRC# 63, STOC# 1090, PanEuro# 59 > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m15.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FMUBUR2Y; Wed, 01 Nov 2000 21:58:06 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: CRYSTALNAPIER@cs.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 21:00:04 -0600 Subject: PC800: Where is Crystal's Bike? From: Tony L Miller Well? Crystal, where is your parts bike? Tony On Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:36:58 EST CRYSTALNAPIER@cs.com writes: > My name is Crystal Napier and I have a 1989 Honda PC. It has been > wrecked and > I am wanting to sell some of the parts from it. I have engine, > complete drive > train in excellant condition. Many, Many parts only 20,000 miles on > motor. A > ral bargain on parts or all. Thank you for your time. > Crystal Napier > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body > of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with ESMTP Wed, 1 Nov 2000 20:14:15 -0600 <4.1.20001031141833.00d794f0@medusa.nn.com> <4.1.20001101083254.00d7e5e0@medusa.nn.com> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:52:43 -0500 To: "R. Fenwick" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: PC800: Re: My Metzelers (was: Plastic off?) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 3:38 PM -0600 11/1/00, R. Fenwick wrote: >FSL wrote: >>Hey Rich. >> >>What size of Metzeler did you go with? >> >>Curious in Chicago...... >> >>fsl > >OK, for all those inquiring minds out there... > >I went with the stock sizes. Here's why I asked. Although the sizes are the same, there are discrepancies from one manufacturer to another when it comes to the actual size of a tire in any given size. The stock PC size is 140/80-15 . The Metzeler in a 140/80-15 is the same overall diameter, but it is a narrower tire than the Dunlop of the same size. I first noticed this when Tim Davies, with his ME880's, was parked next to my PC with the Dunlops. I did a bit of measuring at the local bike shop, and when the time came, I replaced my 140/80-15 Dunlop K555 with a 150/80-15 Metzeler ME880. The tire is about the same width as the Dunlop, but it is a bit taller. As a result, my rpm's have dropped, giving me the false impression that the bike now has a taller 5th gear. I used to ride the highway, revving 5,000rpm@75mph. I now rev at about 4,600 rpm at that speed. I have had absolutely no problems with this size. There has been no rubbing whatsoever, even with a passenger, and a fully loaded bike and Givi. (But not a heavy passenger, mind you) The other sizes that the ME880 come in that would potentially fit are the 140/90-15 that Rich mentioned, which will be a bit narrower than the stock tire, but should lower RPM's even more. They have a 150/90-15 which is as wide as stock, but even taller. I think this is what Steve from LA. put on his PC last year that required a bit of filing along the front of the swing arm for clearance. If I was feeling really daring, they also have a 180/70-15 which works out to the same overall diameter as the 140/90-15 but would be really wide... I don't think it would fit on the rim, and if it did, I suspect it would rub along the trunk but I bet it would look really good... AS far as the ME880 feeling so much better than the Dunlop..... any new tire will feel much better than the old tire. I do feel that the ME880 provides a 'lighter' feel than the Dunlops. The only real noticeable difference is that the ME880's do not seem to have a problem with grooved asphalt, wire grating on bridges, etc... they track straight whereas the Dunlops always felt like they were trying to slalom. I'm anxious to see if these ME880's will last longer than my Dunlops did. They cost me about 25% more where I live, so if I don't get at least 25% more mileage out of them I may go back to Dunlop, or look for a cheaper source. Ride safe.. ffsl -- Francois Saint Laurent Ottawa, Canada , but currently in Chicago, IL 1995 PC800 Waltzing Matilda *** Top 10 Reasons to Procrastinate *** 1. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 20:50:47 -0800 (PST) From: victoria sheets Subject: PC800: A Repeat Peformance To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hi Friends....Charley and I are going back to Russellville this weekend....we plan to leave around lunchtime on Friday and ride up...then spend the weekend riding....If anyone close would like to join us, we plan to spend Friday night at the Super Eight and then move to Mac's Pines on hwy 7 north of Russellville on Saturday night....We would love to have friends to ride with.... Charley and Vicky Sheets Olive Branch, Ms. '95 PC800 "Hakuna Matata" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 20:53:41 -0800 (PST) From: victoria sheets Subject: Re: PC800: Color Thread: Whooooooo Hooooo! To: Great Ned , "Goldberg, Saul" , PC 800 LIST Black rules.....thank you...Vicky Sheets __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 04:30:27 -0800 (PST) From: Sayer Subject: Email Service was: Re: PC800: GUESS WHAT??!!?? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu --- Tim Macy wrote: > OBTW, since I'm on a rant, I'm going to switch over to mail.com for my > motorcycle e-mail 'cause this damned Hotmail sucks. Half the time it locks > up when I'm typing a reply and I have to reboot. Bye bye Bill!! Yahoo mail is excellent and they provide a lot of other features like bookmarks that aren't stored in your browser, but on the web, and a calendar system. I have been very happy with the service. Sayer ===== '96 PC800 "Discovery" Herndon, VA Sayer's music: http://mp3.com/sayer and http://mp3.com/dreamquest Sayer's studio site: http://members.aol.com/sayersweb/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 08:31:51 -0500 (EST) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: Tank bag list keeps growing... I haven't yet exceeded the capacity of the trunk, so I don't use a tank bag, but if I did my additions to the list would be: * Small mirror with a folding cover -- very useful for looking into awkward places, as well as for combing hair, etc. * Roll of soft paper towels (I usually use the end of a roll, with only 10-20 towels on it. In the core I place a couple of squeeze bottles with shampoo, etc.) * Water bottle (preferably frozen). Dehydration is a big risk in hot weather, and keeping hydrated increases your safety margin. ====================================================================== Selden Deemer Atlanta, Georgia EMAIL: libssd@emory.edu ====================================================================== -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Thu, 2 Nov 2000 05:36:40 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Desmond Cockburn" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800:Quarter Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 07:36:40 CST



As we say here on the southern plains, "The first guy that tells one doesn't stand a chance."  Cheapest gas I can remember putting in my first bike, a Honda step through 55cc trail bike, was 19 cents a gallon.  I don't recall how much the Honda held but think it was 2 gallons.  A full tank lasted me a week or more of riding to work and running the woods of southeastern Oklahoma.  That was a cool little bike, coming up to a fence one would find a handy tree limb, prop up the bottom wire of the fence, lay the bike down and grabbing the front wheel drag it under the fence, kick out the tree limb and continue on ones way across hill and dale. 

Des

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>Now,I'm going to date my self with this story. I used to fill up my bike with a quarter.

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-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Godfrey Smith To: PC 800 List Subject: RE: PC800: Re: Tank bag list keeps growing... Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:07:07 -0000 > To: PC 800 List > Subject: PC800: Re: Tank bag list keeps growing... The only things in my boot / trunk are Unused Helmet Bag A extremely thick motorcycle lock Honda Toolkit In London motorcycles get stolen quite regularly. If they want your bike they will take it but a two inch thick metal lock usually deters the casual thief. Godfrey Smith '96 PC800 - The Mysterious Red Mistress' -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: , , Subject: PC800: Re: non PC: lowest wages potlatch Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 06:17:26 -0800 1966: Freshfaced with a collitch degree rolled up under my arm I started working at a one lung radio station in SW Montana. 8 hours a day (7 of 'em on the air) 5 days then 8 (ota) on Saturday. 48 hours times four weeks is 192. My salary: $200/month. $1.04 an hour. Lee Barker 95 "Secondo con Brio" ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 5:16 PM Subject: Re: PC800:Quarter > You both are making me feel old....I once worked for $1.10. In LA in the 60's > at a car wash. > > Class of 65 > Bill Richardson > 98PC"Scoot" > San Antonio > iPCRC #906 HRCA #001137 > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:42:52 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: steven@capital.net (Dave Steven) Subject: PC800: Is there an adjustable GiVi Rack? I was wondering if anyone has modified a GiVi rack to allow the GiVi box to slide forward and become a driver backrest when there is no passenger. I'm giving up my stock seat w/ Utopia backrest for a new Corbin seat so I have more leg/knee room on my 6'5" frame. Or would anyone be interested in sharing the development costs of such a rack mod? RSVP Dave Steven '95 PC800 (my 2nd) all the usual stuff -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 06:45:36 -0800 (PST) From: Christoffer Carstanjen Subject: PC800: nonPC - Yahoo was Re: Email Service To: Sayer , pc800@hpc.uh.edu I can counter that happy Yahoo! experience.. I don't know about you - but although I can't complain that it's free and feature loaded - but with yahoo! webbased email service, I regularly get messages that are days old being "now" delivered to my mailbox. One lister had a log of when my email would be put in my box - he said an average of 3-5 hours. Sometimes other SMTP gateway servers will give up after a few hours of attempted delivery (Ours at work does). I have had folks well, get the rejection slip saying the email can't be delivered. I can even read the PC800 list logs faster then when the email actually hits my box - now that's baddddd... You may have better luck in your part of the country. Our Yahoo! is clogged --- Sayer wrote: > --- Tim Macy wrote: > > OBTW, since I'm on a rant, I'm going to switch > over to mail.com for my > > motorcycle e-mail 'cause this damned Hotmail > sucks. Half the time it locks > > up when I'm typing a reply and I have to reboot. > Bye bye Bill!! > > Yahoo mail is excellent and they provide a lot of > other features like bookmarks > that aren't stored in your browser, but on the web, > and a calendar system. I > have been very happy with the service. > > Sayer > > ===== > '96 PC800 "Discovery" > Herndon, VA > > Sayer's music: http://mp3.com/sayer and > http://mp3.com/dreamquest > Sayer's studio site: > http://members.aol.com/sayersweb/ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts > has your answer. > http://experts.yahoo.com/ > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe > pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ===== Christoffer Carstanjen - 98PC800 Nebuchadnezzar __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 06:57:25 -0800 (PST) From: Sayer Subject: PC800: Helmet Bag? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu --- Godfrey Smith wrote: > Unused Helmet Bag Would a helmet bag keep the helmet from getting scratched in the trunk? Right now I am using a towel to wrap around my helmet when I place it in the trunk. Is the helmet easy to get in and out of the bag? I was thinking of using something like an old pillowcase. Sayer ===== '96 PC800 "Discovery" Herndon, VA Sayer's music: http://mp3.com/sayer and http://mp3.com/dreamquest Sayer's studio site: http://members.aol.com/sayersweb/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 06:58:40 -0800 From: Roger Pariseau To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: nonPC - Yahoo was Re: Email Service Christoffer Carstanjen wrote: > I don't know about you - but although I can't complain > that it's free and feature loaded - but with yahoo! > webbased email service, I regularly get messages that > are days old being "now" delivered to my mailbox. My wife tried yahoo out via a Price/Costco freebie. Then I noticed a lot of unusual activity on our internal LAN's hub. Removing "Y-scan" from the startup list cured that problem and _that_ resulted in our removing everything else associated with Yahoo from her machine as well. YMMV. Yahoo has a lot of really neat stuff on their web sites. AFAIAC, that's as much Yahoo as I'll ever use. Subscribe to wired news for the continuing saga of scams and dangers out there in Web land. -- Roger -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Revill Dunn" Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:10:09 -0600 "PC800: Helmet Bag?" (Nov 2, 6:57am) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Helmet Bag? I use an old T shirt with the neck sewn up. Revill Dunn On Nov 2, 6:57am, Sayer wrote: > Subject: PC800: Helmet Bag? > --- Godfrey Smith wrote: > > Unused Helmet Bag > > Would a helmet bag keep the helmet from getting scratched in the trunk? Right > now I am using a towel to wrap around my helmet when I place it in the trunk. > Is the helmet easy to get in and out of the bag? I was thinking of using > something like an old pillowcase. > > Sayer > > ===== > '96 PC800 "Discovery" > Herndon, VA > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Godfrey Smith To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Helmet Bag? Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:19:38 -0000 > --- Godfrey Smith wrote: > > Unused Helmet Bag > > Would a helmet bag keep the helmet from getting scratched in > the trunk? Right It would but by carefully lowering of my Shoei into the trunk I can do so without scratching it > now I am using a towel to wrap around my helmet when I place > it in the trunk. > Is the helmet easy to get in and out of the bag? To be honest I find it a bit cumbersome. Lots of trying to get the thing to face the correct way. The bag is made of panels and the helmet appears to only like going in one way. I used it a few times then gave up. I was > thinking of using > something like an old pillowcase. that would be a better option to me > Sayer > > ===== > '96 PC800 "Discovery" > Herndon, VA > > Sayer's music: http://mp3.com/sayer and http://mp3.com/dreamquest > Sayer's studio site: http://members.aol.com/sayersweb/ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > >From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. > http://experts.yahoo.com/ > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the > body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Pickett, Bruce D" To: PC800 Subject: RE: PC800: Blue PC for sale, 1 day to go Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 07:37:24 -0800 Please note that the blue pc for sale on eBay is NOT my Blue Pacific. We're still very much attached, thank you very much! :-) Bruce Pickett Federal Way, WA '89 PC800 "Blue Pacific" http://www.users.uswest.net/~bpickett/Blue.html -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Emile Nossin [mailto:E.M.Nossin@quicknet.nl] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 5:26 PM To: PC800 Subject: PC800: Blue PC for sale, 1 day to go Neill forwarded this, check out this beautifull blue pc for sale: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=481005589&r=0&t=0 (Be sure that the whole previous line is in the site address bar) Only 1 day and 1 hour to go before it closes, reserve is met... Emile Europe, Netherlands -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:07:39 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: steven@capital.net (Dave Steven) Subject: PC800: The next generation PC? Many of us (in the 60's) got our start in Japanese bikes with the pistons the size of bottle caps, and cc's measures w/ 2 digits. (It was a Honda Trail 90 for me) Now we are owners of PC's; a unique ride if there ever was one. We modify them with zeal and pride ourselves in knowing "the (best kept) secret". I pose a hypothetical situation to the list: If you were to move on (up?/over?) in the cycling world and all your current parameters (marital status/# of vacation weeks/# of kids etc.) except money stayed the same. What is the next bike you would own? Would you migrate ala GM: Chevy>Buick>Olds>Caddy to a Gold Wing or would your sporty side dictate a ST1100? Would your sense of (Tupperware) style require a K1200LT? Or wait for the next generation Wing? Is there another "odd duck" you'd consider? Here's the question: What's the bike (new or used) that best describes to you, the natural extension of the PC mentality? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Revill Dunn" Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:29:16 -0600 "PC800: The next generation PC?" (Nov 2, 11:07am) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: The next generation PC? If you were to move on (up?/over?) in the cycling world and all your current parameters (marital status/# of vacation weeks/# of kids etc.) except money stayed the same. What is the next bike you would own? Didn't we just do this a month or so ago? Unfortunately, due to market conditions and the fact that the motorcycling public has it's head in a dark warm part of it's own anatomy, there is no reasonable alternative to the PC. It's not perfect, but for the purpose of two wheeled transportation, it is the best alternative available. The really disturbing thing is that all the offerings in the last decade have gone much farther down the road of single purpose machines that are useless for general transport. Tourers are too heavy, sport tourers have terrible low speed/heavy traffic handling, squid bikes are uncomfortable, and crusers are.... imitation Harleys. What would I like to be able to buy? Something with the weight of an off road bicycle, decent weather protection, low maintenance, reasonable seating position.... and a trunk. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Twowheelsfourme@aol.com for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:58:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:58:19 EST Subject: PC800: For Sale- 1989 Pacific Coast To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I have a 1989 Pacific Coast for sale. It's Pearl White with 19K miles on it. It has a Hondaline passenger backrest, 22" Rifle Shield, (original Honda shield included) and a throttle lock. The tires and battery are in new condition. Excellent running condition. One scratch on lower trunk, otherwise unmarred. Needs nothing. $4000 or best offer. If interested, call or email me off list. Bought an ST1100 and the wife won't let me keep both. Evan Wynmor 919-967-0288 day or evening twowheelsfourme Chapel Hill, North Carolina -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:06:56 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Hpdrifter 68" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800:Women's Studies /was Quarter Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 12:06:56 EST SHAME! And you were doing SO WELL since the hospital,TOO. Now, repeat after me, Lee: I WILL NOT RAG ON WOMEN.... By the way, what makes you think all women ride Shadows? > > '...My course is as elusive as a shadow across the sky' > > > > >Bill, does this quote mean you teach a class in, oh, Women's Studies? > >Lee Barker >95 "Secondo con Brio" > > >_________________________________________________________________________ Bill Lucek '97 PC - DreamWeaver '...My course is as elusive as a shadow across the sky' _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:10:49 -0800 (PST) From: Roger Ries Subject: Re: PC800: Helmet Bag? To: Sayer Cc: PC800 I use an old flannel pillowcase. Works great. The flannel is a little thicker then a plain cotton case. Grasp the opening to the case, grasp your chin guard. Then grasp the other side of the pillow case opening and slide the helmet in. Whatever is left over stuff into the helmet. --- Sayer wrote: > --- Godfrey Smith wrote: > > Unused Helmet Bag > > Would a helmet bag keep the helmet from getting > scratched in the trunk? Right > now I am using a towel to wrap around my helmet when > I place it in the trunk. > Is the helmet easy to get in and out of the bag? I > was thinking of using > something like an old pillowcase. > > Sayer > > ===== > '96 PC800 "Discovery" > Herndon, VA > > Sayer's music: http://mp3.com/sayer and > http://mp3.com/dreamquest > Sayer's studio site: > http://members.aol.com/sayersweb/ > ===== Later Roger R Chaska, MN '98 PC800W - Red Alert (a.k.a. Ketchup) PCRC #1022 a.k.a. #74, HSTA #8516RG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Godfrey Smith To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: For Sale- 1989 Pacific Coast Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:25:53 -0000 > Bought an ST1100 and the wife won't let me keep both. For Sale 1 Wife , cooks , cleans. Has aversion to motorbikes :))))) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jeff Krause To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Re: My Metzelers and an IRC 150/90/15 update Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:45:31 -0800 Just to give you all an update, The IRC 150/90/15 "Durotour" ($60) that I mounted a couple months ago has about 4800 miles on it now. It barely fit width-wise, but I have had no tire rubbing. either because of the width OR the diameter. However I do not do 2-up riding. My impressions of it have not changed; It seems to me to be equivalent to the 880 I ran before in all respects. The handling is great, and The wear rate seems to be about the same or better - but it is still too soon to know for sure. - Nice to have the RPM drop too. BTW, Waiting for an 880 front backordered through MAW. (3 weeks so far) Apparently 880s are STILL in a short-supply situation. Seems like this has been going on for months. Should I re-order elsewhere (for more $)? Jeff Krause 95 PC "800 MhZ" Santa Barbara County -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Francois Saint Laurent [mailto:fsl@borgconsulting.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 4:53 PM To: R. Fenwick Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: My Metzelers (was: Plastic off?) At 3:38 PM -0600 11/1/00, R. Fenwick wrote: >FSL wrote: >>Hey Rich. >> >>What size of Metzeler did you go with? >> >>Curious in Chicago...... >> >>fsl > >OK, for all those inquiring minds out there... > >I went with the stock sizes. Here's why I asked. Although the sizes are the same, there are discrepancies from one manufacturer to another when it comes to the actual size of a tire in any given size. The stock PC size is 140/80-15 . The Metzeler in a 140/80-15 is the same overall diameter, but it is a narrower tire than the Dunlop of the same size. I first noticed this when Tim Davies, with his ME880's, was parked next to my PC with the Dunlops. I did a bit of measuring at the local bike shop, and when the time came, I replaced my 140/80-15 Dunlop K555 with a 150/80-15 Metzeler ME880. The tire is about the same width as the Dunlop, but it is a bit taller. As a result, my rpm's have dropped, giving me the false impression that the bike now has a taller 5th gear. I used to ride the highway, revving 5,000rpm@75mph. I now rev at about 4,600 rpm at that speed. I have had absolutely no problems with this size. There has been no rubbing whatsoever, even with a passenger, and a fully loaded bike and Givi. (But not a heavy passenger, mind you) The other sizes that the ME880 come in that would potentially fit are the 140/90-15 that Rich mentioned, which will be a bit narrower than the stock tire, but should lower RPM's even more. They have a 150/90-15 which is as wide as stock, but even taller. I think this is what Steve from LA. put on his PC last year that required a bit of filing along the front of the swing arm for clearance. If I was feeling really daring, they also have a 180/70-15 which works out to the same overall diameter as the 140/90-15 but would be really wide... I don't think it would fit on the rim, and if it did, I suspect it would rub along the trunk but I bet it would look really good... AS far as the ME880 feeling so much better than the Dunlop..... any new tire will feel much better than the old tire. I do feel that the ME880 provides a 'lighter' feel than the Dunlops. The only real noticeable difference is that the ME880's do not seem to have a problem with grooved asphalt, wire grating on bridges, etc... they track straight whereas the Dunlops always felt like they were trying to slalom. I'm anxious to see if these ME880's will last longer than my Dunlops did. They cost me about 25% more where I live, so if I don't get at least 25% more mileage out of them I may go back to Dunlop, or look for a cheaper source. Ride safe.. ffsl -- Francois Saint Laurent Ottawa, Canada , but currently in Chicago, IL 1995 PC800 Waltzing Matilda *** Top 10 Reasons to Procrastinate *** 1. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jeff Krause To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: RE: Metzelers through MAW - It shipped! It shipped! Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:02:33 -0800 Just checked MAW's (Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse) order tracking page and the front ME880 120/80/17 has shipped. - Should be at my P.O. service already. Yippe! Jeff Krause -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jeff Krause Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 9:46 AM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Re: My Metzelers and an IRC 150/90/15 update Just to give you all an update, The IRC 150/90/15 "Durotour" ($60) that I mounted a couple months ago has about 4800 miles on it now. It barely fit width-wise, but I have had no tire rubbing. either because of the width OR the diameter. However I do not do 2-up riding. My impressions of it have not changed; It seems to me to be equivalent to the 880 I ran before in all respects. The handling is great, and The wear rate seems to be about the same or better - but it is still too soon to know for sure. - Nice to have the RPM drop too. BTW, Waiting for an 880 front backordered through MAW. (3 weeks so far) Apparently 880s are STILL in a short-supply situation. Seems like this has been going on for months. Should I re-order elsewhere (for more $)? Jeff Krause 95 PC "800 MhZ" Santa Barbara County -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: DWilli5342@aol.com for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:59:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:59:23 EST Subject: PC800: Re: Tank Bag List To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I think the tank bag required for this list of contents would be roughly the same dimensions as Peter Noeth's trailer. However, I have my own addition to the list. I keep a few (4 or 5) of those little pre-packaged hand-wipe goodies you get when you order fried chicken at KFC. They can stash virtually anywhere, and if you've had to do a little roadside wrenching, they're good for getting the "schmutz" off your hands before you stick your grimy hands back into those brand new gloves you just bought. I've also used them (in a pinch) to de-bug my helmet visor (or glasses, if the visor was up), when a particularly large bug decides to Kamikaze into my face. They haven't harmed the visor plastic yet, but YMMV. Actually, I don't have a tankbag. My stuff goes in the left fairing pocket. I also keep one of those little el-cheapo solar calculators to figure my gas mileage. Dean Williams Springfield, OR 98 PC800 "Nata Harli" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: DWilli5342@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:12:48 EST Subject: PC800: RE: Y2K ride Video To: tschoepe@earthlink.net CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Daryl T wrote: I guess that fourth PC must be either Rich or Tim on the way to get new tires...no tupperware! Daryl, I haven't seen the video, but the only "nekkid" bike on the ride was my brother on his BMW R1200C. I took him along so we'd have somebody to pick on, and it also shows that we allow the handicapped to join in! (grin, wink) Gotta get that video downloaded. Dean Williams Springfield, OR 98 PC800 "Nata Harli" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) 2 Nov 2000 09:53:11 -0800 (PST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 09:51:38 -0800 From: Tom and Anita Humphrey Subject: RE: PC800: For Sale- 1989 Pacific Coast To: Godfrey Smith , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Importance: Normal This is good! I laughed hard! I will NOT show it to my wife! Tom -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of Godfrey Smith Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 9:26 AM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: For Sale- 1989 Pacific Coast > Bought an ST1100 and the wife won't let me keep both. For Sale 1 Wife , cooks , cleans. Has aversion to motorbikes :))))) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: "'Revill Dunn'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800:Quarter Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:01:25 -0500 And to apologize for his utter lack of regional sensitivity, yer boss sprung fer lunch AND a beer, eh? -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Revill Dunn [mailto:revill.dunn@legerity.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 4:29 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800:Quarter On Nov 1, 3:04pm, Daryl Tschoepe wrote: > Subject: Re: PC800:Quarter > It's possible that on 11/1/00 11:20 AM, Revill Dunn at > revill.dunn@legerity.com hurled this into the void... > > > It held almost a gallon, and would > > go 150 - 175 miles on a tank. > > Even when riding uphill in the snow both directions...right? > > Later, > > Daryl Yeah, it went uphill. And it really did get nearly 200 mpg. Of course, the miles didn't go by very fast. 28 mph downhill, with a tailwind. Snow? In Austin? Weel, actually, I do remember once. I was working as a shoe salesman at JC Penney's in Highland Mall evenings. It started sleeting and snowing in the morning. Of course all of Austin closed down. Classes were cancelled at the University. I went home and played in the street with the scooter a bit, and decided that sleet, snow, freezing rain and two wheels don't mix well. It continued to drip various versions of frozen precipitation most of the afternoon. When it came time to go to work I called my boss, expecting the evening off. "Hell No, we're not closed! If you don't get in here on time You're Fired"! (He was from Milwaukee and didn't have much patience with the Texas response to a freeze). So, I looked at the scooter, and left it on the back porch. Put on my salesman costume, slicked my hair back and walked out to North Lamar with my thumb. I stood there for a while freezing my butt off in my polyester sport coat and slacks. No Traffic. None. Not even police were on the road. I started walking (It was about 3 miles; doable, but not pleasant). As I passed the 45th. St. intersection, a little Opel Cadette coupe came south on Lamar doing about 10 mph. The light changed. He tried to stop. Turned 90 degrees to the right. Corrected. Oops, overcorrected. 90 degrees to the left now. Overcorrected again, 90 degrees, then 180 degrees. Slid through the intersection backwards, still going about 9 mph. Not a problem, there wasn't another car in sight. He continued sliding for three or four blocks, back and forth and round and round, finally coming to a rest against the right curb pointing the correct direction down the road. The driver sat there a while. The lights went off. The door opened. He got out, hitched his collar up around his neck, locked the doors, and started walking south. I walked all the way to work, arriving five minutes before Late. The Mall Security cops were locking the main entrance; the Mall management had declared the entire mall, including the J.C. Penney shoe department closed. Revill -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 10:04:31 -0900 From: "Juan A. Goula" To: PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: Helmet Bag? Sayer wrote: > Is the helmet easy to get in and out of the bag? I was thinking of using > something like an old pillowcase. A helmet bag (like those provided with the purchase of a new helmet) is essentially a custom shaped pillow case. How hard is it to put in depends on the shape of both the bag and the helmet and the material of the bag and protuberances of the helmet. I've had good luck with the Shoei bags, the ones that have the tie string attached at two points so you can sling it over your shoulder and carry the helmet with you. We also have heavy duty helmet bags, which we use for helmet transport while off the bike. These are thick, have a plush lining, zipper closure and carrying handles. They qualify as a carry-on in an airplane. I am sure that if you visit your favorite M/C dealer he might have one or two spare bags lying around that he could part with for nothing (or next to nothing). Give it a try! -- Juan Antonio Goula School of Fisheries and Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks Fairbanks, Alaska (907)474-5520 Lat.: 64.85°N, Long.: 147.72°W ------------------------------------------------- Second star on the right, then straight on 'til morning... * * * * * * * * -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Quarter RE: PC800: Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:15:01 -0500 Interesting that one of the key points of many of these "quarter" messages is gas mileage. Fuel consumption is one of the aspects of motorycling that I feel most strongly about. In the "stats," I always look at the MPG way before (if ever) I look at the top speed. Does anyone else? Or are these mileage figures just boasting? -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Desmond Cockburn [mailto:tourrider@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 8:37 AM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800:Quarter As we say here on the southern plains, "The first guy that tells one doesn't stand a chance." Cheapest gas I can remember putting in my first bike, a Honda step through 55cc trail bike, was 19 cents a gallon. I don't recall how much the Honda held but think it was 2 gallons. A full tank lasted me a week or more of riding to work and running the woods of southeastern Oklahoma. That was a cool little bike, coming up to a fence one would find a handy tree limb, prop up the bottom wire of the fence, lay the bike down and grabbing the front wheel drag it under the fence, kick out the tree limb and continue on ones way across hill and dale. Des >From: "Revill Dunn" >Now,I'm going to date my self with this story. I used to fill up my bike with a quarter. _____ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com . Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com . -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:43:36 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Betty Lise Anderson Subject: RE: PC800: For Sale- 1989 Pacific Coast I thought it was funny too. I sent it to my husband! >This is good! I laughed hard! I will NOT show it to my wife! >Tom > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of >Godfrey Smith >Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 9:26 AM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: RE: PC800: For Sale- 1989 Pacific Coast > > > > Bought an ST1100 and the wife won't let me keep both. >For Sale >1 Wife , cooks , cleans. Has aversion to motorbikes >:))))) >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Betty Lise Anderson, Associate Professor The Ohio State University Department of Electrical Engineering 205 Dreese Laboratory, 2015 Neil Avenue Columbus, Ohio check out the cool zip code 43210 http://eewww.eng.ohio-state.edu/~anderson/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:59:57 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Desmond Cockburn" To: sgoldber@mc.cc.md.us, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Quarter RE: PC800: RE Bike Reviews Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 13:59:57 CST When reading a bike review in any of the major mags the first thing I'm interested in is : Comfort, how the seat sat, the bars felt and the peg position. Was the testers buns asleep after 25 miles ? Did his fingers still work after manipulating the controls ? Were his shoulders and arms sore or cramped from some strange bar angles ? Handling, how the bike behaved at slow speed and through the curves. Fit and finish, the quality of the plating, paint and plastic. Mechanicals, all the stuff worked like it was supposed to. Did the engine sound like a can full of rocks or hum like an electric ? Did it start, stop, signal, belch fire, rattle, track or fall over from the side stand ? MPG, important but not a top consideration. Speed, quarter mile, 0-60, roll-on from 60. This should probably be further up the list. After all, we don't want a snail here that couldn't get out of it's own way. Desirability, usually taken with a grain of salt. The reviewer may be a died in the wool tourer who got stuck with the latest sport bike or the other way round. I seldom read bike reviews for bikes that I have no interest in to begin with but rather, save these reviews for those rainy days when I'm out of reading material. Des, 95 PC, Dream Weaver Okmulgee, Ok. >From: "Goldberg, Saul" >Interesting that one of the key points of many of these "quarter" messages is gas mileage. In the "stats," I always look at the MPG way before (if ever) I look at the top speed. Does anyone else? Or are these mileage figures just boasting? > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FMV6NKKK; Thu, 02 Nov 2000 15:05:48 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:04:47 -0600 Subject: PC800: Clearview wind shield From: Jim M SMITH I need to replace my Honda Tall Wind Shield this winter I am thinking about a Clearview but can not find the height of the various size I see referred to on this list Where can I find this info Thanks Jim SMITH: 90 PC 28,000+ Springfield MO ,Ann's Pegs Corbin Seat,Tall Shield,CycleCom, Priority Plus Lights OKCDOC@JUNO.COM, OKCDOC@AOL.COM PCOR# 207, Retreads Gateway Region (Springfield) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by smtp.namezero.com (209.228.14.77) with SMTP; 2 Nov 2000 12:30:53 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: Quarter RE: PC800: RE Bike Reviews Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:30:28 +0100 For me the items I look at in a review in order of priority (more or less) are: 1. Shaft Drive 2. Lugage capacity 3. Comfort (seating posture, smoothness, fairing) 4. Handling 5. Power and engine (acceleration, topspeed) 6. Range 7. Looks 8. ABS 9. Mileage >From: "Goldberg, Saul" >Interesting that one of the key points of many of these "quarter" messages >is gas mileage. In the "stats," I always look at the MPG way before (if >ever) I look at the top speed. Does anyone else? Or are these mileage >figures just boasting? Emile Europe, Netherlands www.piloot.com -------------------------------------------------- www.st1100.net '92 ST ABS/TCS "Eclipse" www.ipcrc.org internet Pacific Coast Riders Club PCRC# 63, STOC# 1090, PanEuro# 59 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Tank Bag List Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:36:44 -0800 > I think the tank bag required for this list of contents would be roughly the > same dimensions as Peter Noeth's trailer. However, I have my own addition to > the list. > Good point, Dean. Another addition: When I am touring I find my appetite declines. I usually pack a small plastic bowl and plastic spoon and several packages of instant oatmeal, you know, the kind with the bakelite fruit pieces. Normally I prefer more wholesome fare but a double envelope bowl of this gruel and a cup of motel swill and I can usually get down the road fairly adequately though not with the same aplomb as Bob Walton. Lunch is rilly rilly something to which to look forward. Lee Bar9ker 95 "Secondo con Brio" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:47:42 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Desmond Cockburn" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Motorcycle Memories Web Site Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 14:47:42 CST Hey PC gang, Couple of weeks ago a fellow rider wrote in asking for Honda posters and memrobilia. I found a web site that has a fair collection of reprinted Honda posters, and others, from the 60's, 70's and 80's (sorry, didn't see a PC poster) they have a great selection of older motorcycle books and micorfiche for the PC models 89 through 95. Also, check out the motorcycle rubber stamps, facinating ! http://www.motorcyclememories.com Des, Okmulgee, Okla. 95 PC, Dream Weaver "Motorcyclists know why dogs hang their heads out car windows." Randle Bains _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jeff Krause To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Motorcycle Memories Web Site; KAWASAKI-TO-ME-BABY! Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:52:57 -0800 Yea, I found them once when I was investigating selling my unused metalflake "Kawasaki-to-me-baby!" stickers. Anyone remember those? Am I old or what? Jeff Krause Former Kawasaki Corporate brat but now proud commuter of 95 PC "800 MhZ" -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Desmond Cockburn [mailto:tourrider@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 12:48 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Motorcycle Memories Web Site Hey PC gang, Couple of weeks ago a fellow rider wrote in asking for Honda posters and memrobilia. I found a web site that has a fair collection of reprinted Honda posters, and others, from the 60's, 70's and 80's (sorry, didn't see a PC poster) they have a great selection of older motorcycle books and micorfiche for the PC models 89 through 95. Also, check out the motorcycle rubber stamps, facinating ! http://www.motorcyclememories.com Des, Okmulgee, Okla. 95 PC, Dream Weaver "Motorcyclists know why dogs hang their heads out car windows." Randle Bains _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 18:00:48 -0500 Subject: PC800: Silent Running... To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: yankeesmuggler@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) The Yankee Smuggler is once again chirpless and bystanders don't mistake me for a 1960 Volkswagen Beetle. I just had my muffler replaced under my 3 year, unlimited mileage Honda warranty. It was great to get the print out from the service person with $0.00 due! Thanks to Roger Prince (I hope you are still on the list Roger) for telling me about his free warrenty replacement several years ago for the same problem. I did not even have to invoke the power of his name with my service person to get the job done for free:-) This list is GREAT!! Tim Davies Seneca Falls, New York 13148 '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: xcontrol@erols.com for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 02 Nov 2000 18:10:26 -0500 Cc: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: RE: PC800: Silent Running... Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 18:08:04 -0500 Importance: Normal What does the chirp do, or when do you hear it, all the time? Slow speeds? I would love to know more about this. Thanks Chris -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of PC800 Rider Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 6:01 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Silent Running... The Yankee Smuggler is once again chirpless and bystanders don't mistake me for a 1960 Volkswagen Beetle. I just had my muffler replaced under my 3 year, unlimited mileage Honda warranty. It was great to get the print out from the service person with $0.00 due! Thanks to Roger Prince (I hope you are still on the list Roger) for telling me about his free warrenty replacement several years ago for the same problem. I did not even have to invoke the power of his name with my service person to get the job done for free:-) This list is GREAT!! Tim Davies Seneca Falls, New York 13148 '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: Cc: PC800 Mailing List Subject: RE: PC800: Silent Running... Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 18:13:46 -0500 I hear the chirp all the time. I was told it came with the bike. -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: xcontrol@erols.com [mailto:xcontrol@erols.com] Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 6:08 PM Cc: PC800 Mailing List Subject: RE: PC800: Silent Running... What does the chirp do, or when do you hear it, all the time? Slow speeds? I would love to know more about this. Thanks Chris -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of PC800 Rider Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 6:01 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Silent Running... The Yankee Smuggler is once again chirpless and bystanders don't mistake me for a 1960 Volkswagen Beetle. I just had my muffler replaced under my 3 year, unlimited mileage Honda warranty. It was great to get the print out from the service person with $0.00 due! Thanks to Roger Prince (I hope you are still on the list Roger) for telling me about his free warrenty replacement several years ago for the same problem. I did not even have to invoke the power of his name with my service person to get the job done for free:-) This list is GREAT!! Tim Davies Seneca Falls, New York 13148 '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 18:31:32 -0500 Subject: Re: RE: PC800: Silent Running... To: xcontrol@erols.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: yankeesmuggler@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) I probably should have recorded it for posterity (assuming it is gone for good now). It starts out as a low chirping sound like a little bird in your muffler that is noticeable at idle when you give it a little gas. Then it starts doing it when accelerating, but stops while cruising. Finally it is ever present and gets louder. I got mine fixed before I can tell you how loud it will get, but I was hearing it all the time when I passed cars or rode by guard rails where the sound could echo back to me as I rode. The service mechanic had no problem identifying it as a loose internal baffle in the muffler and getting warranty repair for it. I don't know if anything dire would happen if left unfixed. Apparently there are others on the list that just decided to live with it, possible because they are out of warranty and it costs about $550 for the repair, or it was not annoying to them. My other choice was to install a Harley pipe and make the noise a feature rather than a bug:-) xcontrol@erols.com writes: >What does the chirp do, or when do you hear it, all the time? Slow speeds? >I would love to know more about this. Thanks >Chris > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of >PC800 Rider >Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 6:01 PM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: PC800: Silent Running... > > >The Yankee Smuggler is once again chirpless and bystanders don't mistake me >for >a 1960 Volkswagen Beetle. I just had my muffler replaced under my 3 year, >unlimited mileage Honda warranty. It was great to get the print out from the >service person with $0.00 due! > >Thanks to Roger Prince (I hope you are still on the list Roger) for telling >me >about his free warrenty replacement several years ago for the same problem. >I >did not even have to invoke the power of his name with my service person to >get >the job done for free:-) > >This list is GREAT!! > >Tim Davies >Seneca Falls, New York 13148 >'98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" > >AMA #688662 >HSTA #8387 >HRCA #HM100878 > >"The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: RE: PC800: Silent Running... Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:38:42 -0500 Wait, wait...bugs? features? Oh, right, it's Microsnot reference. Got it, now. No, I didn't realize it was "cureable." But for the moment, I'd rather put my $550 towards, oh, say, getting a tank bag and filling it with all the thingies I "should" be carrying! But about those pipes...would anyone recommend the "V-twin rumble?" ? I'd have to re-jet, too, wouldn't I? And then my gas mileage would drop, yes? -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: yankeesmuggler@sfcs.k12.ny.us [mailto:yankeesmuggler@sfcs.k12.ny.us] Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 6:32 PM To: xcontrol@erols.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: RE: PC800: Silent Running... I probably should have recorded it for posterity (assuming it is gone for good now). It starts out as a low chirping sound like a little bird in your muffler that is noticeable at idle when you give it a little gas. Then it starts doing it when accelerating, but stops while cruising. Finally it is ever present and gets louder. I got mine fixed before I can tell you how loud it will get, but I was hearing it all the time when I passed cars or rode by guard rails where the sound could echo back to me as I rode. The service mechanic had no problem identifying it as a loose internal baffle in the muffler and getting warranty repair for it. I don't know if anything dire would happen if left unfixed. Apparently there are others on the list that just decided to live with it, possible because they are out of warranty and it costs about $550 for the repair, or it was not annoying to them. My other choice was to install a Harley pipe and make the noise a feature rather than a bug:-) xcontrol@erols.com writes: >What does the chirp do, or when do you hear it, all the time? Slow speeds? >I would love to know more about this. Thanks >Chris > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of >PC800 Rider >Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 6:01 PM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: PC800: Silent Running... > > >The Yankee Smuggler is once again chirpless and bystanders don't mistake me >for >a 1960 Volkswagen Beetle. I just had my muffler replaced under my 3 year, >unlimited mileage Honda warranty. It was great to get the print out from the >service person with $0.00 due! > >Thanks to Roger Prince (I hope you are still on the list Roger) for telling >me >about his free warrenty replacement several years ago for the same problem. >I >did not even have to invoke the power of his name with my service person to >get >the job done for free:-) > >This list is GREAT!! > >Tim Davies >Seneca Falls, New York 13148 >'98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" > >AMA #688662 >HSTA #8387 >HRCA #HM100878 > >"The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with ESMTP Thu, 2 Nov 2000 18:50:43 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:57:56 -0500 To: Jim M SMITH From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Clearview wind shield Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 2:04 PM -0600 11/2/00, Jim M SMITH wrote: >I need to replace my Honda Tall Wind Shield this winter >I am thinking about a Clearview but can not find the height >of the various size I see referred to on this list >Where can I find this info >Thanks >Jim SMITH: You can find this info right here on this list! The Clearview shields come in various sizes. +1. +3. and +5 are readily available. Any other dimension can be obtained, but will require a longer wait... The dimension is relative to the stock height. A +3 is 3 inches taller than the stock Honda shield. The Clearview shield is also about 2 inches wider per side, as it has a different profile than the stock Honda shield. It is quite difficult to guess what size you need, but if you provide the list with your height, weight and inseam measurement then someone of similar proportions can respond with what height of shield they have. A lot of this also has to do with personal taste. I prefer to look over the shield, not through it, and at 6'1", 190 lbs with a 34" inseam, I look over the top of a +3 with a couple of inches to spare. Good luck! Ride safe. fsl -- Francois Saint Laurent Ottawa, Canada , but currently in Chicago, IL 1995 PC800 Waltzing Matilda *** Top 10 Reasons to Procrastinate *** 1. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with ESMTP Thu, 2 Nov 2000 18:50:55 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 18:50:04 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: PC800: Deal's Gap 2K1 Hi everyone. Tim Davies, a.k.a. Yankee Smuggler, mentioned in an earlier post that we were planning a Deal's Gap weekend ride for next summer. I know it's kind of early to plan that far ahead, but the area around Deal's Gap can get sold out pretty early into the year. In case you do not know where the place is , check out one of the online map web sites and look for Tapoco, NC (Population 6). If you haven't heard about Deal's Gap, let me give you the one most interesting detail. 318 curves in 11 miles. Yup...that's not a typo. Rob and Leslie Pemble, owners of Sport Touring Motorcycle Accessories, bought the Crossroads of Time, and took over in early July. The previous owner had pretty much let the place fall apart, and so it had gotten pretty run down. The Crossroads of Time consisted of a motel, campground, gas station, and store with a deli style lunch counter. It has been officially renamed "The Deal's Gap Motorcycle Resort". It's not yet at the 'resort' level, but if anyone can make a resort out of the Crossroads of Time, Rob and Leslie are the ones to do it. The first thing they did when they took possession was replace all the sheets, towels, pillow cases, etc. with new ones. I seem to remember that there are a bunch of new mattresses as well. Given that they took possession in the middle of the busiest season, they really haven't had time to do much else, since there were always people staying there, but there are plans to fix the place up over the winter as much as time and budget permit. Tim and I were looking at a calendar trying to determine a good date. Based on the holidays we have available to us, it gets narrowed down to July and August. At the moment we are looking at the weekend of July 14-15. The best reason I can come up with for picking that date is that if you are going to ride the Dragon at Deal's Gap, what better day to do it than on Friday the 13th! I would like to know how much interest there would be in a group ride for that time slot. If I see that there is some interest, I'll reserve a block of rooms right now so we will have a place to stay. There is also a campground for those who like the great outdoors. So how about it fellow PC'ers? Does anyone want to ride down to Deal's Gap and watch me scrape my pegs (and mirrors, crash bar, elbow, knee, etc...) Ride safe.. fsl :-) -- Francois Saint Laurent Ottawa, Canada , but currently in Chicago, IL 1995 PC800 Waltzing Matilda *** Top 10 Reasons to Procrastinate *** 1. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: montyshaw@spamcop.net by server05.gw.total-web.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2000 01:29:31 -0000 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Deal's Gap 2K1 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 20:29:29 -0500 Hey that's a great idea. Its pretty close to me, and I'd love to ride up and try the 'Gap'. I'll ride along behind you with a big net and pick up the pieces. :-) This far in advance, I'm sure I have an open weekend on July 14-15. If I've already got plans, I need to let lose a little anyway. ]Monty[ 89 Sailor Moon -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jeff Krause To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Deal's Gap Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:40:55 -0800 For us west "Pacific" coasters, can someone give us some more info on the history of deal's gap? There are questions running through my head like: What masochistic civil engineer would put 28 curves per mile for 11 miles in a highway? Who was Deal? Is Deal's gap a canyon or a pass? Would I need to replace my footpegs, shift lever and steering stem bearings after a Deal's Gap run? Would that many curves damage the PC's Autolean system? Inquiring minds... Jeff Krause 95 PC "800 MhZ" Santa Barbara County -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: montyshaw@spamcop.net [mailto:montyshaw@spamcop.net] Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 5:29 PM To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Deal's Gap 2K1 Hey that's a great idea. Its pretty close to me, and I'd love to ride up and try the 'Gap'. I'll ride along behind you with a big net and pick up the pieces. :-) This far in advance, I'm sure I have an open weekend on July 14-15. If I've already got plans, I need to let lose a little anyway. ]Monty[ 89 Sailor Moon -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 21:01:29 -0500 Subject: Re: PC800: Deal's Gap 2K1 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: yankeesmuggler@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) fsl@borgconsulting.com writes: >So how about it fellow PC'ers? Does anyone want to ride down to >Deal's Gap and watch me scrape my pegs (and mirrors, crash bar, >elbow, knee, etc...) > >Ride safe.. > >fsl :-) I'll probably need a new set of tires by then so what better place to break them in than the some place I broke in my current Metzeler 880's. I've got just about 22,000 miles on these now:-) Tim Davies Seneca Falls, New York 13148 '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BillandScoot@cs.com Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:00:38 EST Subject: Re: PC800: The next generation PC? To: steven@capital.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Right this moment I would hate to have to think about what next. But, if money were no object, I would probably go to the Wing. Maybe it is just my age, but comfort is starting to count. I guess that was what sold me on the PC. A baby wing at half the price.... Bill Richardson 98PC"Scoot" San Antonio iPCRC #906 HRCA #001137 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:19:05 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Deal's Gap To: jkrause@foarm.com, PC800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 11/2/00 5:38:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, jkrause@foarm.com writes: << For us west "Pacific" coasters, can someone give us some more info on the history of deal's gap? >> Hiyall I lived in Tennessee for many years and a trip to "The Dragon" was something that I took 2 or 3 times a month during the spring through fall riding seasons. I always loved the ride there and back as well as Hwy 129 (the road the dragon is on). If you go, remember that Deals Gap is always crowded, always dangerous, and always a blast. I hate to admit it, but the dragon was always a bit too much for me. There are hundreds of miles of other roads surrounding the area of Tenn/NC, so go exploring while you are there. And if you go be SURE to ride the Cherohala Skyway! To many of us in middle age and beyond, it is a lot more fun to ride than Deals Gap. It may have 318 curves as well, but it stretches them out over 50 miles or so, and the view is gorgeous. If you can make it there, do yourself a favor and go. You will remember it the rest of your lives. Russ Vernon 95 PC800 00 R1100RT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mickey Catron" To: "Goldberg, Saul" , Subject: Re: PC800: Newbie Question Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:28:09 -0500 Saul, You probably already have plenty of replys, but there is a good "data base" of maintenance projects, and I live in Frederick, MD, probably not too far from you. I just change my battery a couple of weeks ago...no problem. Mickey 89PC "Shadowfax" "One bike to rule them all...." ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 1:02 PM Subject: PC800: Newbie Question > Please help me out, folks. I got two items. First is that my windy shield is > cloudy. I 'spect that itsa goner. So I need a replacement. I am not married > to OEM, especially given the price. Also, I would not mind if I could find > one just a little bit taller, since wind noise does not make my world. > > Next, I recently had a rather unpleasant with a (for now) unnamed Honda > dealer regarding the handling of the plastic shroud and a battery > replacement. Does anyone know of a Honda dealer who is more "PC-friendly" > who can be trusted to protect and defend my plastic without doing $150 > damage each time I need repairs done? And a follow-up on that, if anyone can > show me how to get through it to access the battery, etc. There are some > repairs I can do without a dealer's help, if I can only figure out how to > get it off and on again. I am just to the north of Washington D.C. Thanks. > > Saul Goldberg, Newbie to the list > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:24:25 -0900 From: "Juan A. Goula" To: PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: Deal's Gap Jeff Krause wrote: > There are questions running through my head like: > > What masochistic civil engineer would put 28 curves > per mile for 11 miles in a highway? Well, I'll guess it was not because of the threat of a Japanese invasion, the reason they built the Alaska Highway (The Alcan) the way they did. Their motto was "Build it Crooked, Build it Fast". The theory behind the many turns was that a bomber could not obliterate a long stretch of highway, or a fighter could not strafe an entire convoy in a single pass... Too bad they had to go and ruin it by making it straighter instead of just paving it. Can you imagine a Deal's Gap 1,000+ miles long? :-P~~~ -- Juan Antonio Goula School of Fisheries and Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks Fairbanks, Alaska (907)474-5520 Lat.: 64.85°N, Long.: 147.72°W ------------------------------------------------- Second star on the right, then straight on 'til morning... * * * * * * * * -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with ESMTP Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:19:50 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:18:34 -0500 To: RVPC800@aol.com From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Deal's Gap Cc: jkrause@foarm.com, PC800@hpc.uh.edu At 9:19 PM -0500 11/2/00, RVPC800@aol.com wrote: > > And if you go be SURE to ride the Cherohala Skyway! To many of us >in middle age and >beyond, it is a lot more fun to ride than Deals Gap. It may have 318 curves >as well, but it stretches them out over 50 miles or so, and the view is >gorgeous. If you can make it there, do yourself a favor and go. You will >remember it the rest of your lives. > >Russ Vernon Very well said Russ. I had the opportunity to ride the Cherohala Skyway when I was down there at the beginning of October. The view is spectacular. It will definitely be a part of the trip. I also agree with your assessment of the Dragon itself on the weekend. It can get crowded. If any of you have the chance to arrive sooner, or stick around later, the Dragon would be a lot more fun to ride on Friday or Monday than it will be on the weekend. Ride safe. fsl -- Francois Saint Laurent Ottawa, Canada , but currently in Chicago, IL 1995 PC800 Waltzing Matilda *** Top 10 Reasons to Procrastinate *** 1. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Tony L Miller cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: PC800: Re: Where is Crystal's Bike? of "Wed, 01 Nov 2000 21:00:04 CST." <20001101.210005.-4099691.0.tonylmiller@juno.com> Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 21:25:56 -0600 Tony L Miller writes: > Well? Crystal, where is your parts bike? Am too smart for myself. Thought I'd "whos cs.com" as I didn't recognize the domain. Drat! Its CompuServe. No hint as to where Crystal is, only that CompuServe's domain's mailing address is Columbus, OH. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by smtp.namezero.com (209.228.14.102) with SMTP; 2 Nov 2000 19:33:18 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" , "2001 APCO" Subject: PC800: Greg's Coast Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 04:33:21 +0100 Presenting my latest movie, starring Greg Castle in: "Greg's Coast": http://albums.photopoint.com/j/SmashCast?u=1016281&mode=list Turn on your speakers and enjoy, Emile Europe, Netherlands www.piloot.com -------------------------------------------------- www.st1100.net '92 ST ABS/TCS "Eclipse" www.ipcrc.org internet Pacific Coast Riders Club PCRC# 63, STOC# 1090, PanEuro# 59 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "Steve Sult" , "Ron Jansen" , "Rod Carey" , "PC800" , "2001 APCO" , , , , "marjolijn van den Berg" , "Martin Wagenaar" , "Chris Spaansen" , "Gil Pitt" Subject: PC800: Pacific Coast Y2K ride Pictures Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 05:11:12 +0100 Finally they're all online. Of the 600 pictures I took during "The Great Pacific Coast Higway Pacific Coast Motorcycle Year 2000 Motorcycle Ride" I've filtered them down to 274. They can be viewed at: http://y2k.piloot.com Enjoy, Emile Europe, Netherlands www.piloot.com -------------------------------------------------- www.st1100.net '92 ST ABS/TCS "Eclipse" www.ipcrc.org internet Pacific Coast Riders Club PCRC# 63, STOC# 1090, PanEuro# 59 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Delivered-To: fixup-pc800@hpc.uh.edu@fixme by sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2000 04:31:41 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bruce Pickett" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: Motorcycle Maintenance, Zen or Not Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 20:31:33 -0800 [The pictures that go with this narrative may be found at http://www.users.qwest.net/~bpickett/zen.html ] I am right now in the middle of reading the 25th Anniversary edition of Robert Pirsig's book "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance". The book is terrific, but for fixing Blue Pacific's oil leak, I am not sure that there was much Zen involved ("Grasshopper, if you can snatch the oil seal from my hand, then you are ready." No, wait ... that's Shaolin Kung Fu motorcycle maintenance, not Zen. Oh, well!) I had already determined that one source of Blue's excessive oil consumption was a leak from the clutch push rod oil seal (http://www.users.qwest.net/~bpickett/Oilleak.html). It was now time to attempt a repair. Monty Shaw, Canadian master of the PC maintenance database, and Russ Goff, the famous London motorcycle mechanic, provided invaluable information on locating and repairing the leak. Honda of Milpitas supplied the new clutch push rod oil seal (p/n 91204-MB0-013, $1.61) and the crankcase cover gasket (p/n 11395-MR5-800, $6.92). Most of the left side Tupperware had to first be removed: air duct, side cover, step holder cover, lower cover, fairing protector, and the front lower cowl. Then off came the left front bumper to give a clear shot at the left side crankcase cover. The oil drain plug at the bottom of the engine was removed and the crankcase oil was drained. The shifter lever and ten bolts along the perimeter of the crankcase cover were removed. The clutch slave unit was already removed, so the crankcase cover was ready to be easily slipped off ... HA! It wasn't that simple - first off, there was nothing to grab hold of on the cover, and secondly, it was stuck tight. I tried grabbing every tiny little protuberance on the cover and prying until my fingers were sore. It didn't budge a bit. I fabricated a handle out of steel barstock, and I bolted it firmly in place to the crankcase cover where the clutch slave unit normally resides. Then, while sitting on the floor, I placed both of my feet on the bike frame straddling the crankcase, and with the homemade handle in hand, I pulled with all my might! It didn't budge a bit. After almost giving myself a hernia, I was about ready to give in and send an email plea to the PC800 list asking for help, but this was a matter of pride. I was determined to beat this thing (and it did cross my mind to get my hammer and beat it). I went out to my minivan, and got the scissors jack out of the back. Then with a two-by-four and a stout rope, I improvised a case puller. The two-by-four was laid across two frame members. The rope was tied into a loop through my handle on the crankcase cover and then around the jack as it was set against the two-by-four. Slowly turning the jack crank, I took up the slack in the rope, and began exerting pressure on the stubborn thing. Tighter and tighter I cranked it. I cranked the jack out until it was almost fully extended. The pressure was building tremendously, after all, I was using a device that was designed to lift up half of a 4000 pound vehicle. KAPOP!!! (kinda like an old Batman rerun, eh?) With a resounding noise, the old gasket finally gave way. I cleared away the gear, and then I was able to easily slip the crankcase cover off and expose the engine's flywheel and idler gears. One of the idler gears immediately fell off and landed on the newspaper that I had set below the engine. Like a surgeon performing a delicate operation and having some patient's organ slip through his fingers and bounce on the floor, I thought "Better get that back, we may need it". I still had a lot of work to do to remove all of the old green gasket from both the crankcase and the cover. I had a can of gasket remover, and that helped loosen the stuff, but there was still a lot of scraping involved to clean it all away. Finally, I had the metal surfaces on both the crankcase and the cover clean of old gasket and adhesive. The clutch push rod oil seal is firmly pressed inside a well on the inner surface of the crankcase cover. I used a hammer and a large-diameter drift from the outside of the cover to knock the seal loose. It didn't look like there was anything wrong with it - there were no cracks, tears, or wear that I could see, but I had seen the evidence of the leakage before I tore the engine apart, so I was sure that this was the culprit in my hand. With a soft rubber hammer, and taking care not to damage the new oil seal, I got it seated in the well in the cover. I applied a thin layer of "Form-A-Gasket #2" on the new gasket, and I affixed that to the crankcase cover. With another layer of Form-A-Gasket on top of the gasket, and making sure that the idler gears were in place first, I eased the cover into place on the crankcase. Tightening down the ten bolts, I easily drew the cover tight up against the crankcase. The clutch slave was bolted back into place. I replaced the oil drain plug and added fresh oil into the engine. I then moved the bike out into the driveway and prepared to test run the engine to see if anything leaked. CAUTION NOTE - before starting the engine, one needs to make sure that the dipstick has been replaced, or else oil could be blown back out of the filler hole. If however, one forgets to perform this step, then they must make sure that the oil is quickly washed off of the hood and fender of their wife's brand new Trans Am before she sees it. I let the engine run, and I squeezed the clutch several times while it ran. After a little bit, I shut it down and removed the clutch slave again. THERE WAS NO OIL LEAKAGE! YEAH! I reattached all the mechanical hardware and reseated all of the Tupperware and then set out on a shakedown ride. I decided to try to make it to the top of Chinook Pass at the top of the Cascade Mountain Range near Mt. Rainier. I got to within about 6 miles of the Pass, but was turned back by snow. I returned home for a round trip of almost 140 miles. I removed the left side Tupperware again and began loosening the bolts on the clutch slave. What would I find there? Would there be oil behind it? Drum roll please! * * * * * * * * * * * The first bolt came out! * * * * * * * * * * * The second bolt came out! * * * * * * * * * * * The THIRD bolt came out! * * * * * * * * * * * The clutch slave slooooowwwwwllllllyyyy came off. * * * * * * * * * * * And there, * * * * * * * * * * * in the receptacle behind the clutch slave... * * * * * * * * * * * was ... * * * * * * * * * * * NOTHING! Hurrah!! The operation was a success! The only thing left to do is to check the oil consumption and see how much it has improved. It doesn't look like Blue used much, if any, on her shakedown run, but its kind of hard to tell, because I accidentally overfilled the oil a little bit before I left. But I now have the oil at the proper level and I will keep track of it carefully. One thing that I noted, which may need to be looked into further, was that the bike seems to shift differently now. It is especially noticeable when downshifting into first gear. It now has a tendency to not shift down past neutral. Several times, after downshifting while coming to a stop, when I wanted to go again, I was surprised to find that the bike was in neutral. I almost dropped the bike once when turning because I was expecting it to be in first but it was instead in neutral. Now that I have the oil leak fixed, I have something else to keep me busy. Bruce Pickett Federal Way, WA '89 PC800 "Blue Pacific" http://www.users.qwest.net/~bpickett/Blue.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "eddie" To: "Sayer" Cc: "PC800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: Helmet Bag? Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 00:53:56 -0500 I use an old cotton t-shirt with the neck hole sewed closed. -eddie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by smtp.namezero.com (209.228.14.77) with SMTP; 2 Nov 2000 21:50:28 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "2001 APCO" , "PC800" Subject: PC800: More Movies Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 06:49:55 +0100 With pride I present my 3 latest movies, starring Neill Thompson in "MiNeillium", Leland Sheppard in "Low Flying Leland" and me in "The Emailman" : http://albums.photopoint.com/j/SmashCast?u=1016281&mode=list Turn on your speakers and enjoy, Emile Europe, Netherlands www.piloot.com -------------------------------------------------- www.st1100.net '92 ST ABS/TCS "Eclipse" www.ipcrc.org internet Pacific Coast Riders Club PCRC# 63, STOC# 1090, PanEuro# 59 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Wakefield, Steve L." To: PC800 Subject: RE: PC800: Helmet Bag? Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 04:29:43 -0600 One of my first purchases was a cheap backpack from Wal-Mart to use as a helmet bag. It's not lined or anything, but it lies flat when not in use and hasn't caused any visible damage to my N100. SWake -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Will Edwards" To: "PC800" Cc: Subject: PC800: Fw: 89 white PC-800 Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 02:53:09 -0800 The following was sent to me, asking that it be forwarded to the list.=20 Will Edwards rstar@aa.net http://www.crosswinds.net/~cyclewill/bike.html Washington State 96 Honda PC800 Focus your eyes to where you want to be, Not to where you are afraid of falling to.... . -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bud Tucker To: rstar@aa.net Date: Thursday, November 02, 2000 11:53 AM Subject: 89 white PC-800 Will, I have decided (sadly) to offer my PC-800 for sale. Because of the big difference between the US and Canadian dollar I felt = that it would be best to offer it to someone in the US north west. It is in near mint condition with 24,163 miles on the clock...Not = Kilometres...So it must have been manufactured as a US bike. I'd be looking for $7,000.00 Canadian which roughly translates to = $4,700.00 US. Perhaps you'd be kind enough to pass this information to the PC club = members as they may know somebody that would be interested. Thanks, Bud Tucker. 1-(604) 597-3288 budt@pacificcoast.net Surrey, British Columbia.=20 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Will Edwards" To: "Emile Nossin" , "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: More Movies Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 03:43:13 -0800 I really enjoyed your movies, especially the first one. I guess I better start sitting down at the computer with a bag of popcorn, got to have my popcorn while at the movies ..... Will Edwards rstar@aa.net http://www.crosswinds.net/~cyclewill/bike.html Washington State 96 Honda PC800 Focus your eyes to where you want to be, Not to where you are afraid of falling to.... . -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Emile Nossin To: 2001 APCO ; PC800 Date: Thursday, November 02, 2000 9:51 PM Subject: PC800: More Movies >With pride I present my 3 latest movies, starring >Neill Thompson in "MiNeillium", >Leland Sheppard in "Low Flying Leland" >and me in "The Emailman" : >http://albums.photopoint.com/j/SmashCast?u=1016281&mode=list > >Turn on your speakers and enjoy, > >Emile >Europe, Netherlands >www.piloot.com >-------------------------------------------------- >www.st1100.net '92 ST ABS/TCS "Eclipse" >www.ipcrc.org internet Pacific Coast Riders Club >PCRC# 63, STOC# 1090, PanEuro# 59 > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Fri, 3 Nov 2000 05:37:35 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Desmond Cockburn" To: Emile@ST1100.net, pacificcoast@egroups.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: More Movies Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 07:37:35 CST Emile, Thanks for the movies ! Very nice ! One comment from one of the three nurses that were looking over my shoulder while I ran them was, "Gee, looks like you guys have a lot of fun riding, everyone is always smiling." Des, 95 PC, Dream Weaver Okmulgee, Ok "Motorcyclists know why dogs hang their heads out car windows." Randle Bains >From: "Emile Nossin" >With pride I present my 3 latest movies, snip, snip. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 08:47:44 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: , Jeff Krause Subject: Re: PC800: Deal's Gap ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jeff Krause >For us west "Pacific" coasters, can someone give >us some more info on the history of deal's gap? > >What masochistic civil engineer would put 28 curves >per mile for 11 miles in a highway? It's more likely an old wagon trail that eventually got upgraded (so to speak). >Who was Deal? Don't know. >Is Deal's gap a canyon or a pass? A pass, or a gap to mid-Atlantic residents, or a notch to New England residents. >Would I need to replace my footpegs, shift lever >and steering stem bearings after a Deal's Gap run? That depends on exactly how you ride it ... and if you get eaten by the Dragon. >Would that many curves damage the PC's Autolean system? No, the number of left and right curves is approximately equal, so the Autolean differentiation is within engineering parameters. Chris Norloff -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Kenneth" To: "Francois Saint Laurent" Cc: "Pacific Coast mailing list" Subject: Re: PC800: Deal's Gap 2K1 Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 09:05:12 -0500 > > So how about it fellow PC'ers? Does anyone want to ride down to > Deal's Gap and watch me scrape my pegs (and mirrors, crash bar, > elbow, knee, etc...) ME Me ME ME I would love to see you slide around on the asphalt AGAIN. No I wouldn't. That was an eerie feeling to ride around the corner and find you and your partner lying on the shoulder of the road. I was elated to see both of you jump up and walk towards the bike, with one of you pointing and laughing. " Wheeew.. It can't be to bad I thought." Did you get a new set of bars? Count me in for the Road trip. I will start planning now since it is such a long drive for me...;) Kenneth -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 09:03:33 -0500 (EST) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: Deal's Gap 2K1 Somehow I had missed the detail that the Pembles had taken over the Crossroads of Time. I've heard nothing but good things about Rob Pemble's service with STA (and my two experiences with them as a customer were both good), so this is very welcome news. I would definitely like to participate in such a ride. I am familiar with many of the roads in the area (actually Deal's Gap itself is one of my less favorite roads, due to high squid density on weekends, and I find it boring). Unfortunately, July 13-20 will probably find me on the road to Minnesota. If you end up with another date, count me in. ====================================================================== Selden Deemer Atlanta, Georgia EMAIL: libssd@emory.edu ====================================================================== -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 08:13:59 -0600 Subject: Re: PC800: Deal's Gap 2K1 From: Daryl Tschoepe To: PC800 It's a pretty fur piece from Texas as well... Can I play like a Harley (or like some HSTA riders last weekend) and trailer it. Or would you guys just laugh too much to make it worthwhile? I'm guessing B. Later, Daryl It's possible that on 11/3/00 8:05 AM, Kenneth at klw@centurytel.net hurled this into the void... > Count me in for the Road trip. I will start planning now since it is such a > long drive for me...;) > > Kenneth -- *** Top 10 Reasons to Procrastinate *** 1. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Daryl Tschoepe '98 SuperHawk #3693 tschoepe@earthlink.net '90 Pacific Coast #2010 & Project Gold Wing - '77 GL 1000 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: PC800 Subject: RE: PC800: Deal's Gap 2K1 Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 09:16:37 -0500 I wouldn't laugh, unless you're actually BRINGING a Harley! -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Daryl Tschoepe [mailto:tschoepe@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 9:14 AM To: PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: Deal's Gap 2K1 It's a pretty fur piece from Texas as well... Can I play like a Harley (or like some HSTA riders last weekend) and trailer it. Or would you guys just laugh too much to make it worthwhile? I'm guessing B. Later, Daryl It's possible that on 11/3/00 8:05 AM, Kenneth at klw@centurytel.net hurled this into the void... > Count me in for the Road trip. I will start planning now since it is such a > long drive for me...;) > > Kenneth -- *** Top 10 Reasons to Procrastinate *** 1. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Daryl Tschoepe '98 SuperHawk #3693 tschoepe@earthlink.net '90 Pacific Coast #2010 & Project Gold Wing - '77 GL 1000 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 09:18:05 -0500 (EST) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: Deal's Gap Jeff Krause writes: > For us west "Pacific" coasters, can someone give > us some more info on the history of deal's gap? > > There are questions running through my head like: > > What masochistic civil engineer would put 28 curves > per mile for 11 miles in a highway? > Who was Deal? > Is Deal's gap a canyon or a pass? Maybe it's a Southern thing, but civil engineers in the south occasionally just seem to like to design fun roads. I don't know who Mr. Deal was (probably a local farmer), but the road runs up the side of a mountain, basically going from nowheresville to nowheresville. I've only run the Gap once, and remember it as continuously uphill, virtually always through forest. After about the 200th turn, I started getting bored (this was 500 miles into a 650 mile, 13-hour ride on a Hawk, so I wasn't full of a lot of energy). Probably the most spectacular road in the area is the Cherohala Skyway, which is much more open, and includes both uphill and downhill sections, with a mix of tight turns and big, sweeping curves. And, there are several "secret" roads that don't even show up on highway maps that are a lot of fun. See: http://www.dealsgap.com/ For an enjoyable collection of essays on Southern culture, see: Author: Bilger, Burkhard. Title: Noodling for flatheads. Publication info: New York : Scribner, c2000. Nothing about motorcycling or road building, but there's a great essay "Moonshine Sonata" on one of the local pastimes. ====================================================================== Selden Deemer Atlanta, Georgia EMAIL: libssd@emory.edu ====================================================================== -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 09:58:11 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "R. Fenwick" Subject: PC800: PICTURES!: Fall Covered Bridge Ride pictures posted... Cc: annreid@juno.com The pictures from the Fall Covered Bridge Ride (along with other past rides) are up and posted at: http://pc_800.tripod.com/events.html I am planning on doing this ride again next year (in EARLY October as opposed to LATE October), but with a few changes, so it is not the "same" ride as last year... For starters, the first change will be that the overnight lodging will be in Indiana, as opposed to staying in Illinois... Thanks again to all that made it. A good time was had by all! Rich Fenwick 1990 PC800 E. Central Illinois -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" , "2001 APCO" Subject: PC800: Pacific Girls Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:59:49 +0100 Another blockbuster has come out of the Emile studios, featuring all the girls from the famous Great Pacific Coast ride in: "Pacific Girls". Get your tickets now at: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/SmashCast?u=1016281&mode=list Grab a bag of popcorn (cause it will take a few minutes of loading with a slow modem), turn on your speakers to full Dolby Surround, sit back and enjoy ! Emile Y2K Ride Pics now online at: http://y2k.piloot.com Europe, Netherlands www.piloot.com -------------------------------------------------- www.st1100.net '92 ST ABS/TCS "Eclipse" www.ipcrc.org internet Pacific Coast Riders Club PCRC# 63, STOC# 1090, PanEuro# 59 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by smtp.namezero.com (209.228.14.76) with SMTP; 3 Nov 2000 10:29:56 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: Throttle Rocker Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 19:25:54 +0100 For those that have never seen one: http://emile.itgo.com/rocker.html Emile http://photos.piloot.com click on Pacific Coast Y2K for the pics, click on my movie list for movies -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "eddie" To: "PC800 List" Subject: PC800: Deal's Gap... Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:44:30 -0500 About 8 years ago, I rode the Deal's Gap "Dragon" for the first time and it was crazy/exciting. I went back and it was raining on the second trip. Exciting just became scary. No accidents but,....the fun factor was reduced a bit. The best time I ever had there was on an unexpectedly warm March weekend trip through there. It was 60-65F and absolutely blue skies. The traffic was at a bare minimum and I took my time through the run and on the return trip I was a little more "enthusiastic" but not doing any heroics. It was a really neat ride. I've been back for at least one trip on new/different bikes ever since. Warning: Mid summer, especially on a weekend, that place can be a zoo. 50+ bikes around the small gas station at the Cross Roads of Time. 15-20 more out on the Dragon itself. Police? Look out. They are there and they do NOT take motorcyclists lightly. There are ambulatory accidents with frightening regularity. Mostly guys who are unaware of the term "track day" and get tripped-up by the absolute lack of rythym of this road. Not to deter anyone from riding there but, do so very very carefully. It is not a place for the underskilled. The best roads in the general area are not far away and can be much more enjoyable. Selden and others have mentioned the Cherohala highway. In a word: YES!!! Another word? BEAUTIFUL!!! It's not a convenient passage from/to anywhere but, worth the effort. In a shameless plug for my favorite bike destination - find Suches, Georgia on a good map. It's just north of Dahlonega. Barely a crossroad community, it is home of Two Wheels Only Motorcycle resort. http://www.twowheelsonly.com/ There are curvy roads of every description within an hour's ride. { Deal's is about 90 minutes away.} T.W.O. might make for a good staging point for a gathering. {Selden, how hard would it be to put together a PC800 rally up there? =) } TWO has more than ample camping space and facilities that can handle all of us with ease. -eddie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 16:32:55 -0500 From: Thomas Ongstad To: PC list Subject: Re: PC800: Deal's Gap... We must have been lucky. A group of 6 bikes (mostly Wings) wound our way through there on a Sunday morning in July 1999. What a fun road, but you never get your chance to take a breath and enjoy the view. We came down the Foothills Parkway in Tennessee to get to 129. What a beautiful road and very quiet. We continued on 28 into N.C. before heading to the Blue Ridge. Found 28 more fun as you could go faster yet it is very curvy, though scraping pegs on a GoldWing is certainly interesting in the Gap. Got to watch out for idiots on bikes taking up both lanes as they come around blind corners though. Hope to take it on the PC some time with no trailer and no passenger. Some day. Didn't see one cop, though I did see several pickups towing boats, going the other way. Never got held up once and nobody behind us pushing the entire way. :-) Thomas eddie wrote: > Warning: > Mid summer, especially on a weekend, that place can be a zoo. 50+ bikes > around the small gas station at the Cross Roads of Time. 15-20 more out on > the Dragon itself. Police? Look out. They are there and they do NOT take > motorcyclists lightly. There are ambulatory accidents with frightening > regularity. Mostly guys who are unaware of the term "track day" and get > tripped-up by the absolute lack of rythym of this road. Not to deter anyone > from riding there but, do so very very carefully. It is not a place for the > underskilled. > > The best roads in the general area are not far away and can be much more > enjoyable. Selden and others have mentioned the Cherohala highway. In a > word: YES!!! Another word? BEAUTIFUL!!! > It's not a convenient passage from/to anywhere but, worth the effort. > In a shameless plug for my favorite bike destination - find Suches, Georgia > on a good map. It's just north of Dahlonega. Barely a crossroad community, > it is home of Two Wheels Only Motorcycle resort. > http://www.twowheelsonly.com/ > > There are curvy roads of every description within an hour's ride. { Deal's > is about 90 minutes away.} > T.W.O. might make for a good staging point for a gathering. {Selden, how > hard would it be to put together a PC800 rally up there? =) } > TWO has more than ample camping space and facilities that can handle all of > us with ease. -- 93SE (Teal, ya hunh) 95Hannigan 97Pacific Coast (oh baby) GWTA of Michigan web site http://my.voyager.net/gwta/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Elton K. Hammond" To: "Emile Nossin" , "PC800" , "2001 APCO" Subject: RE: PC800: Pacific Girls Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 16:58:11 -0500 Importance: Normal Emile; Great effort with the movies. Even showed my wife and daughter. What software was used? Elton K. Hammond P.Eng. ( elton.hammond@ekho.com ) President The EKHO Institute ( www.ekho.com ) Autodesk Premier Training Center Award Winning Training (613) 822-6935 EKHO Memory Strips ( http://www.ekho.com/EKHO_STRIPS/EKHO_Strips.htm ) >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of >Emile Nossin >Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 12:00 PM >To: PC800; 2001 APCO >Subject: PC800: Pacific Girls > > >Another blockbuster has come out of the Emile studios, >featuring all the girls from the famous Great Pacific Coast ride in: >"Pacific Girls". Get your tickets now at: >http://albums.photopoint.com/j/SmashCast?u=1016281&mode=list >Grab a bag of popcorn (cause it will take a few minutes of loading >with a slow modem), turn on your speakers to full Dolby Surround, >sit back and enjoy ! > >Emile >Y2K Ride Pics now online at: http://y2k.piloot.com >Europe, Netherlands >www.piloot.com >-------------------------------------------------- >www.st1100.net '92 ST ABS/TCS "Eclipse" >www.ipcrc.org internet Pacific Coast Riders Club >PCRC# 63, STOC# 1090, PanEuro# 59 > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:24:10 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Clay Leihy" To: "Goldberg, Saul" , "pc800listserv" Subject: Re: PC800: Where Is It? Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:17:49 -0500 And, be forewarned about the size. "+3" must mean 3 inches taller than the stock windshield on models after 89. My Clearview +3 is about 7 inches taller than the original stock shield on my 89 PC. Clay Leihy 89 - "Lickity-Split" Burlington, NJ ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve Wilson" To: "Goldberg, Saul" ; "pc800listserv" Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 12:05 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Where Is It? > http://www.clearviewshields.com/index.htm > http://www.sporttouringusa.com/ > Steve Wilson Ruston LA. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Goldberg, Saul" > > > > I have received suggestions that I consider the Clearview windshield > as a > > replacement. I searched the web for them, and all I came up with was a > > buncha sites all pointing to the same irritating place, which was not > what I > > was looking for. Anyone know where they really are, if they have a > site? > > Thanks. > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Thfwsf@aol.com for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:49:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:49:28 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Color Thread: Whooooooo Hooooo! To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I've been at training this week and may be responding a bit late. But didn't White start the whole PC line? With out the White PC, there wouldn't be any other colors, would there? Or am I going along the ol' line of which came first, the chicken or the egg? Tom Fraser Manassas, VA '89 PC 800 "Singer" iPCRC #1001 <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Thfwsf@aol.com for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:55:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:55:29 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Deal's Gap 2K1 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Interesting thought. If you can get a PC to scape the footpegs on Deals Gap, I bet a Harley would look like a 4th of July fireworks display on the curves. Tom Fraser Manassas, VA '89 PC800 "Singer" iPCRC #1001 In a message dated 11/3/00 9:17:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, sgoldber@mc.cc.md.us writes: > > > I wouldn't laugh, unless you're actually BRINGING a Harley! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daryl Tschoepe [mailto:tschoepe@earthlink.net] > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 9:14 AM > To: PC800 > Subject: Re: PC800: Deal's Gap 2K1 > > > It's a pretty fur piece from Texas as well... > > Can I play like a Harley (or like some HSTA riders last weekend) and trailer > it. Or would you guys just laugh too much to make it worthwhile? > > I'm guessing B. > > Later, > > Daryl > > It's possible that on 11/3/00 8:05 AM, Kenneth at klw@centurytel.net hurled > this into the void... > > > Count me in for the Road trip. I will start planning now since it is such > a > > long drive for me...;) > > > > Kenneth > > -- > > *** Top 10 Reasons to Procrastinate *** >
it.  Or would you guys just laugh too much to make it worthwhile?

I'm guessing B.

Later,

Daryl

It's possible that on 11/3/00 8:05 AM, Kenneth at klw@centurytel.net hurled
this into the void...

> Count me in for the Road trip.  I will start planning now since it is such
a
> long drive for me...;)
>
> Kenneth

--

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Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: montyshaw@spamcop.net by server06.gw.total-web.net with SMTP; 4 Nov 2000 00:21:33 -0000 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: The next generation PC? Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 19:25:35 -0500 I'm starting to think there isn't an exact replacement for the PC. The PC is my first bike. I don't know how I was so lucky to pick this bike given all my newbie reasons, mostly I just loved the look of the bike. And it was white. (sorry for the color/colour comment) Here's what I'm looking for in a replacement: Shaft drive - I never knew, until recently, that you are supposed to wipe down/clean off the chain every so many miles. What a hassle. Full Fairing - and I mean from my head to my toes. I want protection from the wind and rain. Easy Slow Speed Handling - I'm not much of a judge here, owning only one bike, but I can handle my PC in the 'commuter creep'. I don't want a top heavy bike when I'm creeping. Twisty Ability - I want my bike to be able to cruise the mountains north of me and the roads get curvy (Deals Gap, for example). I've never been scared on my PC, it just leans over and goes. Just when I think it can't possibly lean over any farther, it always seems to be able to. I probably don't ride fast enough to make a difference anyway. :-) Hydraulic lifters - This may seem like a nit, but I don't have to have the valves adjusted on my car, why do I have to do it on my bike? Passenger (or me) can't get burned by accidentally touching something - PC wins easy on this. This really hit home when my neighbor and his wife showed me the burns on their legs from his new Valkyrie. Yech. Cargo Space - I want to be able grab a bag or two of groceries on my way home from work. I'm married. Passenger comfort - The passenger has to be able to ride and be comfortable and feel safe. I'm married. Possible replacement bikes I've thought about: Triumph Trophy 1200 - has chain, mechanical lifters, exposed exhaust pipes, otherwise it is really neat looking. BMW R100RT - a bit pricey. There is a rumor/report that they pull to the right. I think it has lifters that need adjusting periodically. Other than that, this is pretty nice. 2001 Goldwing - Wow. Very close. All except for the lifters, but on the other hand, its something like 32,000 mile between adjustments. A little big, too. That new 2001 Yamaha 1300 FXR something or other also looks interesting, but I don't know much about it, and I can't get it here in the US anyway. ST1100 - If it weren't for the lifters and the 'top heavy' reputation, this bike would be my heir to the crown. I like this bike. Kawasaki Concours - Again very close. If it weren't for the "buzzy" reputation, this one could be a good replacement. Don't know about the lifters though. That's where I'm at in my search. Some pretty close bikes, but my PC is running great, and it meets all the criteria on my list. So I'm riding it until I can't get tires or parts, and hoping some manufacturer will make a PC replacement before then. ]Monty[ 89 Sailor Moon -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jeff Krause To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: The next generation PC? Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 16:48:40 -0800 And I thought the big 4 Japanese motorcycle manufacturers had learned their lesson way back in the late 60s when they finally abolished the "High Pipe" style mufflers due to "leg burn". This just proves that Harley's new success has been a bad influence on their design departments. Jeff Krause 95 PC "800 MhZ" Santa Barbara County -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: montyshaw@spamcop.net [mailto:montyshaw@spamcop.net] Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 4:26 PM To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: The next generation PC? (Snip) "My neighbor and his wife showed me the burns on their legs from his new Valkyrie. Yech." (Snip) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Thomas Ongstad cc: PC list From: David Kelly Subject: PC800: Re: Deal's Gap... of "Fri, 03 Nov 2000 16:32:55 EST." <3A032F07.6561235E@voyager.net> Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 18:54:21 -0600 Thomas Ongstad writes: > We must have been lucky. A group of 6 bikes (mostly Wings) wound our > way through there on a Sunday morning in July 1999. What a fun road, > but you never get your chance to take a breath and enjoy the view. We > came down the Foothills Parkway in Tennessee to get to 129. What a > beautiful road and very quiet. We continued on 28 into N.C. before > heading to the Blue Ridge. Found 28 more fun as you could go faster yet > it is very curvy, though scraping pegs on a GoldWing is certainly > interesting in the Gap. Think I have to agree that 28 was probably more fun than The Dragon. Possibly because The Dragon was interesting but didn't live up to the hype. Then again, don't think I've ever come so close to getting motion sick while riding a motorcycle as my one pass and return thru The Dragon. > Got to watch out for idiots on bikes taking up both lanes as they come > around blind corners though. Hope to take it on the PC some time with > no trailer and no passenger. Some day. As many bikers who use that road the way they do, am disappointed somebody hasn't devised an automated warning system to track trucks and automobiles thru the Gap. Putt-putting thru The Dragon on the return pass I almost contacted a couple of sport bikes on my side of the yellow passing a slow big truck. > Didn't see one cop, though I did see several pickups towing boats, going > the other way. Never got held up once and nobody behind us pushing the > entire way. :-) Police had several pulled over for passing on yellow prior to me getting to The Dragon this past summer. Then a sportbike rider nearly wet his pants passing me when the police appeared over the horizon. I decided early on the thing to do when a sportbike comes up from behind was to turn on my right turn signal and drive on the white line. Let them split the lane rather than cross the yellow. Police appeared to accept that. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Daryl Tschoepe cc: PC800 From: David Kelly Subject: PC800: Re: Deal's Gap 2K1 of "Fri, 03 Nov 2000 08:13:59 CST." Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 18:58:45 -0600 Daryl Tschoepe writes: > It's a pretty fur piece from Texas as well... > > Can I play like a Harley (or like some HSTA riders last weekend) and trailer > it. Or would you guys just laugh too much to make it worthwhile? Speaking of laughing Daryl, pardon my direct null email. Clicked the wrong button. You get the idea to come, I live about 4.5 hours from Deals Gap, in the Texas direction. Park your tow vehicle and trailer at my house and I won't tell any one. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:10:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:10:23 EST Subject: Fwd: PC800: The next generation PC? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC list) Return-path: ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Full-name: RVPC800 Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:05:39 EST Subject: Re: PC800: The next generation PC? To: montyshaw@spamcop.net In a message dated 11/3/00 4:22:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, montyshaw@spamcop.net writes: << BMW R100RT - a bit pricey. There is a rumor/report that they pull to the right. I think it has lifters that need adjusting periodically. Other than that, this is pretty >> Hi Monty I have a new R1100RT. I think that was what you were referring to when you put down "R100RT". I don't know about other RTs, but mine is as straight as an arrow when I engage the throttle lock, just like my PC is. And yes, you do have to check the valve adjustment every 12,000 miles or so, but this is a simple task on the RT and BMW even includes the feeler gauge for doing it in the tool kit. How about that? One of the main reasons that I bought my RT is that it feels so much like the PC does when sitting on it. But when you get moving, wow what a difference. Bunches more power, radial tires, ABS brakes and same weight as the PC too. Don't get me wrong, I have put over 73,000 loving miles on my PC and will put more on it, but when it comes time to go for a ride, the BMW is one that I choose first. I wanted to like the ST better, honest I did, but when I weighed all the plusses and minuses, the RT was the one for me. Go drive one. Find one that is all broken in and take it for a ride. That was all it took for me. Forget the electric windshield and the adjustable seat, the gear counter and heated grips. Just ride both and see what you think. If you like the ST, fine as I liked it too. But if you want a simple twin that fun in the twisties, wont wear you out on a long ride, and has a great resale value, give the RT a good hard look. I did, and bought one. Russ Vernon Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BillandScoot@cs.com Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:13:05 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Where Is It? To: clayl@home.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Remember also the "angle of attack" is slightly different on the Clearview, which accounts for the "extra height". Bill Richardson 98PC"Scoot" San Antonio iPCRC #906 HRCA #001137 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sat, 4 Nov 2000 02:15:17 +0100 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Nossin, E.M. - SPLKK" To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: The next generation PC? Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 02:15:14 +0100 > From: montyshaw@spamcop.net[SMTP:montyshaw@spamcop.net] > ST1100 - If it weren't for the lifters and the 'top heavy' > reputation, this bike would be my heir to the crown. I like > this bike. > The lifters have to be checked every 130.000km's (79K miles) and the ST isn't top heavy at all. Don't know where you got that idea, but that's really not true. It's center of gravity is, like on the PC, very low. Not as low as on the PC but still low. Like the PC it has the 7 gallon fuel tank below the seat. It is heavy, but as soon as you start rolling you don't notice the weight at all. Top heavy is one thing the ST sure isn't... The FJ1300 is something else. 2/3 the weight of the ST, 145 hp (3 times PC's hp) and 125 nm at 6000 RPM (double the PC torque), full fairing, eletrical adjustable windscreen, different passenger and riders seat paddings, hard cases and shaft drive. Not next year but I think demand will be big enough to get it to the US, like what happened to the ST. Only think it lacks now is ABS, but I think they'll put that on as well like with the FJ1200. Emile '92 ST ABS/TCS "Eclipse" Y2K pics and "movies": http://photos.piloot.com www.ipcrc.org ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. 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To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 19:36:26 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 19:36:28 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Deal's Gap 2K1 At 6:55 PM -0500 11/3/00, Thfwsf@aol.com wrote: >Interesting thought. If you can get a PC to scape the footpegs on Deals Gap, >I bet a Harley would look like a 4th of July fireworks display on the curves. > >Tom Fraser Believe me, you can scrape the pegs on the PC riding Deal's Gap, as well as some of the other roads around there. It's not easy to do though. The PC has an amazing amount of ground clearance. For the first two days that I was there I was constantly surprised when I went around a corner and *didn't* hear the pegs scrape. It sure felt like I was getting pretty low, but apparently I had much more clearance. The real nice thing about riding the Gap with other PC'ers is that you have a perfect way of determining your clearance. Look at the PC in front of you as it goes around the corner. If he has 3 inches, you probably have 3 inches as well. I remember a few times I would hear the highway pegs on Kenneth Winter's PC scrape going around the corner when I was following him. (Well, trying to follow him, but Kenneth was raised in them 'thar' Hills, so he really sets a pace.) I was also following a guy from Texas on his 2000 Gold Wing for a while. I would often hear the sounds of scraping, but never saw any sparks. When we got to the motel, we were checking his bike and it turns out that he had ground off about 3 inches of his lower front fairing on the right side, and about 2 inches on the left. I have seen a lot of posts lately about the traffic, crowds, etc. at Deal's Gap on the weekends. It's all true... We've planned this trip around a weekend to allow more people a chance to be able to attend. If you have the time to arrive a couple of days early, or leave a few days later, you really should. On the Sunday we will probably go on a guided tour of the area led by Rob Pemble. He has offered to take us on a tour of the area, including the Cherohala Skyway as part of the trip. When I was there, I wouldn't say that the parking lot had 50+ bikes in it. I think 100+ is probably a better guess. Police were there, making their presence known, with both unmarked cars and BMW police bikes. Ironically, the first time they called into action was to chase down some idiot in an old Datsun 240Z as he came careening around the corner totally out of control. Ride safe everyone, and mark your calendars. fsl -- Francois Saint Laurent Ottawa, Canada , but currently in Chicago, IL 1995 PC800 Waltzing Matilda *** Top 10 Reasons to Procrastinate *** 1. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: BillandScoot@cs.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: PC800: Re: Deals Gap of "Fri, 03 Nov 2000 20:29:52 EST." <7e.c72773d.2734c090@cs.com> Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 20:00:08 -0600 BillandScoot@cs.com writes: > Where is this place? http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=&city=&state=NORTH+CAROLINA&slt=35.476100&sln=-79.172300&mlt=35.465600&mln=-83.943900&zip=&country=us&mag=7&cs=3&BFClient=&BFCat=&map.x=190&map.y=143 The south end is at the intersection of 129 and 28, as is the camp grounds/hotel. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.20.01 AS-0098309) for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:21:03 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael & Marlisa Gunderson" To: "PC 800 LIST" Subject: PC800: Trunk Release Question. Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:19:18 -0600 I remember reading something about someone thanking another PCer for = helping adjust the trunk lid so it pops up and releases when the lever = is pulled. Right now, I have to lift on the passenger seat as I pull = the release.=20 Can anyone tell me the secret to fixing this? "May the COAST be with you!" Mike Gunderson Davis, IL USA 1989 Pacific Coast "STORMTROOPER" mrgvideo@aeroinc.net http://mrgunderson.tripod.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.20.01 AS-0098309) for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:45:00 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael & Marlisa Gunderson" To: "PC 800 LIST" Subject: PC800: Trunk Lid Fit? Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:43:14 -0600 Hi,=20 One more question, tonight that is... I just installed a new trunk lid on our 89, and it does not fit = straight. One side hits the tupperware on the side of the PC, and the = other has a 1/4" gap. Can this be adjusted via the small screws and = shifting it from side to side? Or, is the trunk frame damaged. The trunk lid has never fit 'perfectly', but it has never fit this bad = either. Any suggestions? "May the COAST be with you!" Mike Gunderson Davis, IL USA 1989 Pacific Coast "STORMTROOPER" mrgvideo@aeroinc.net http://mrgunderson.tripod.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sat, 4 Nov 2000 04:10:33 +0100 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Nossin, E.M. - SPLKK" To: PC 800 LIST , "'Michael & Marlisa Gunderson'" Subject: RE: PC800: Trunk Release Question. Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 04:10:30 +0100 Check out www.ipcrc.org for that one.. > ---------- > From: Michael & Marlisa Gunderson[SMTP:mrgvideo@aeroinc.net] > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 3:19 AM > To: PC 800 LIST > Subject: PC800: Trunk Release Question. > > I remember reading something about someone thanking another PCer for > helping adjust the trunk lid so it pops up and releases when the lever is > pulled. Right now, I have to lift on the passenger seat as I pull the > release. > > Can anyone tell me the secret to fixing this? > > "May the COAST be with you!" > > Mike Gunderson > Davis, IL USA > 1989 Pacific Coast > "STORMTROOPER" > mrgvideo@aeroinc.net > http://mrgunderson.tripod.com > ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. ********************************************************************** -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 23:34:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 23:34:09 EST Subject: PC800: Cheapest gas To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu The cheapest gas I can remember was .10 per gallon which I put into my Honda 305 Dream. The gas was sold from the service station on Fort Clayton in the Panama Canal Zone in 1964. Bernie 94 PC 71K -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 23:37:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 23:37:40 EST Subject: Re: PC800: The next generation PC? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu A Honda Wing 2001. Bernie 94 PC 71K -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Delivered-To: fixup-pc800@hpc.uh.edu@fixme by sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 4 Nov 2000 05:01:21 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bruce Pickett" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: Shiftless in Seattle Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 21:01:05 -0800 At the end of my recent note telling about removing Blue's crankcase = cover and replacing the clutch push rod oil seal, I made the following = observation: "One thing that I noted, which may need to be looked into further, was = that the bike seems to shift differently now. It is especially = noticeable when downshifting into first gear. It now has a tendency to = not shift down past neutral. Several times, after downshifting while = coming to a stop, when I wanted to go again, I was surprised to find = that the bike was in neutral. I almost dropped the bike once when = turning because I was expecting it to be in first but it was instead in = neutral. Now that I have the oil leak fixed, I have something else to = keep me busy." Other Coasters have now mentioned to me that they have experienced = similar problems downshifting into first. Does anyone have any ideas = about what may cause this? I can't think of anything that I did that = should have affected the transmission gears. I did accidentally overfill = the oil - could that affect the shifting? Maybe the clutch isn't being = fully actuated? Perhaps the shift lever is on its spline in slightly = different position? Or maybe I tightened the crankcase bolts too tight? = I know that I'm grasping at straws here - does anybody have a plausable = explanation? (Okay, to appease Dean, implausable explanations are = accepted too).=20 Thanks, Bruce Pickett Federal Way, WA '89 PC800 "Blue Pacific" http://www.users.qwest.net/~bpickett/Blue.html about removing=20 Blue's crankcase cover and replacing the clutch push rod oil seal, I = made the=20 following observation:
"One thing that I noted, which may = need to be=20 looked into further, was that the bike seems to shift differently now. = It is=20 especially noticeable when downshifting into first gear. It now has a = tendency=20 to not shift down past neutral. Several times, after downshifting = while coming=20 to a stop, when I wanted to go again, I was surprised to find that the = bike=20 was in neutral. I almost dropped the bike once when turning because I = was=20 expecting it to be in first but it was instead in neutral. Now that I = have the=20 oil leak fixed, I have something else to keep me=20 busy."
Other Coasters have now mentioned = to me that=20 they have experienced similar problems downshifting into first. Does = anyone have=20 any ideas about what may cause this? I can't think of anything that I = did that=20 should have affected the transmission gears. I did accidentally overfill = the oil=20 - could that affect the shifting? Maybe the clutch isn't being fully = actuated?=20 Perhaps the shift lever is on its spline in slightly different position? = Or=20 maybe I tightened the crankcase bolts too tight? I know that I'm = grasping at=20 straws here - does anybody have a plausable explanation? (Okay, to = appease Dean,=20 implausable explanations are accepted too).
 
Thanks,
 
Bruce Pickett
Federal Way, WA
'89 = PC800 "Blue=20 Pacific"
http://www.users= .qwest.net/~bpickett/Blue.html

 
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "eddie" To: "PC800 List" Subject: PC800: shields up... Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 00:56:29 -0500 As Clay pointed out, the Clearview may be +3 inches but, it's angle is more upright, thus giving it the taller effect. I can still see over mine, yet it has better coverage (less turbulence maybe) than the Hondaline plus-size barn door. -eddie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "eddie" To: Cc: "PC800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: Color Thread: Whooooooo Hooooo! Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 01:00:17 -0500 ...I'll bite, since I'm a relative "newbie" to the list. White: Isn't that the absence of color? ;-D -eddie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BillandScoot@cs.com for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 01:04:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 01:04:29 EST Subject: PC800: Throttle rockers To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Motorcycle emporium has them for $9.25. Don't know anything about them or their shipping costs,etc. 1 800 543 5137 http://www.cycleemporium.com/ Bill Richardson 98PC"Scoot" San Antonio iPCRC #906 HRCA #001137 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Will Edwards" To: "Emile Nossin" , "2001 APCO" , "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: More Movies Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 00:50:50 -0800 Another great movie, but I forgot the popcorn again. A plus, I could understand the music this time ;-) Will Edwards rstar@aa.net http://www.crosswinds.net/~cyclewill/bike.html Washington State 96 Honda PC800 Focus your eyes to where you want to be, Not to where you are afraid of falling to.... . -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Emile Nossin http://albums.photopoint.com/j/SmashCast?u=1016281&mode=list -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "MTW" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: Cheapest gas Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 07:20:23 -0500 I saw 10cent/gal too, in 1964, around Jefferson City Iowa. It was in a gas station that was right across from another station that had it for 11 cents (gas war)! I wonder why we don't see gas wars any more? er...the "non-combatant" kind that is! Mike Whited ' 94 PC Columbus Ohio ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 11:34 PM Subject: PC800: Cheapest gas > The cheapest gas I can remember was .10 per gallon which I put into my Honda > 305 Dream. The gas was sold from the service station on Fort Clayton in the > Panama Canal Zone in 1964. > > > Bernie > 94 PC > 71K > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 07:41:55 -0500 Subject: Re: PC800: Deal's Gap... To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: yankeesmuggler@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) Eddie, I like your idea of organizing another Coaster Weekend,or weekday as the case may be, somewhere in Georgia. It's been about 30 years since I was in Georgia. The Cross Roads of Time at Deal's Gap no longer exists. It is now the Deal's Gap Motorcycle Resort owned and operated by Rob and Leslie Pemble. As far traffic at the Gap I think it is just the luck of the draw on any given weekend. I was there last year in early September on a Saturday, my first time, and I would characterize the traffic as "normal" compared to the other roads in the area. I never saw a police car or anyone pulled over, so I guess they practice selective enforcement. Of course at no time during my trip through the Gap would I have been concerned about any police presence. Maybe that is why I have 22,000 miles on that same set of tires and they're still going. I had fun and that is all that counts to me. The use of the Deal's Gap Motorcycle Resort as a meeting place for this weekend in no way obligates anyone to ride through Deal's Gap. As you and others have mentioned, there are many, many nice roads around that area which are less challenging, but still wonderful roads for two wheelers. The Resort being at one end of the Gap is just a great place to set up "base camp" from which the participants can fan out in all directions for a fun time based on their own riding abilities and two wheel desires. At this early stage Francois and I are just gauging interest in the event and have not even talked about any possible activities. I know I have been collecting all the suggestions of other great roads in the area, but have not decided what I want to do with that information as yet. Meeting at the Resort is also a way to show support for these new motorcycle specific entrepreneurs. Heaven knows we could use more of them around the country. Riding through the Gap is an individual experience anyway so I hope no one thinks there will be a caravan of PC800's riding in close formation through there. That is not how I envision it anyway. I know when I rode through I had enough to do just concentrating on the road without having to watch the motorcycle ahead of me. I used the HSTA philosophy of "Ride your own ride" to guide me and had fun. Tim Davies Seneca Falls, New York 13148 '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" transalp1@mindspring.com writes: >Warning: >Mid summer, especially on a weekend, that place can be a zoo. 50+ bikes >around the small gas station at the Cross Roads of Time. 15-20 more out on >the Dragon itself. Police? Look out. They are there and they do NOT take >motorcyclists lightly. There are ambulatory accidents with frightening >regularity. Mostly guys who are unaware of the term "track day" and get >tripped-up by the absolute lack of rythym of this road. Not to deter anyone >from riding there but, do so very very carefully. It is not a place for the >underskilled. > >The best roads in the general area are not far away and can be much more >enjoyable. Selden and others have mentioned the Cherohala highway. In a >word: YES!!! Another word? BEAUTIFUL!!! >It's not a convenient passage from/to anywhere but, worth the effort. >In a shameless plug for my favorite bike destination - find Suches, Georgia >on a good map. It's just north of Dahlonega. Barely a crossroad community, >it is home of Two Wheels Only Motorcycle resort. >http://www.twowheelsonly.com/ > >There are curvy roads of every description within an hour's ride. { Deal's >is about 90 minutes away.} >T.W.O. might make for a good staging point for a gathering. {Selden, how >hard would it be to put together a PC800 rally up there? =) } >TWO has more than ample camping space and facilities that can handle all of >us with ease. > >-eddie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 08:06:32 -0500 To: BillandScoot@cs.com From: steven@capital.net (Dave Steven) Subject: PC800: Throttle rockers direct Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Motorcycle emporium has them for $9.25. Don't know anything about them or >their shipping costs,etc. 1 800 543 5137 http://www.cycleemporium.com/ You can get them for $9.95 postpaid direct from www.ThrottleRocker.com. Tell Dale you're on the PC list. And tell him you want a "lefty" version when they come out! -Dave -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FM2MSZGC; Sat, 04 Nov 2000 08:47:20 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: bpickett@qwest.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 08:42:55 -0500 Subject: Re: PC800: Shiftless in Seattle From: "Harvey P. Sattin" Bruce, My PC often has trouble shifting into first when I come to an intersection. I find that I must get it down into first while moving along at about 10mph or I have one heck of a time doing it afterwards. When the engine's cold and I'm just starting out it works like a charm. It's after riding for a while that it does this. I have learned that I have to get it down into first as I'm slowing down. ~Harvey Sattin Brookline, MA On Fri, 3 Nov 2000 21:01:05 -0800 "Bruce Pickett" writes: > "One thing that I noted, which may need to be looked into further, > was that the bike seems to shift differently now. It is especially > noticeable when downshifting into first gear. It now has a tendency > to not shift down past neutral. Several times, after downshifting > while coming to a stop, when I wanted to go again, I was surprised > to find that the bike was in neutral. I almost dropped the bike once > when turning because I was expecting it to be in first but it was > instead in neutral. Now that I have the oil leak fixed, I have > something else to keep me busy." -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Color Thread: Whooooooo Hooooo! Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 14:57:28 +0100 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "eddie" ...I'll bite, since I'm a relative "newbie" to the list. White: Isn't that the absence of color? ;-D -eddie On the contrary, white is the collection of all visible colors, black is the absence of any color. I guess that's why it has the color black.... or something.... Gotta catch me some sleep now...damn nightshift... Emile -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 08:05:32 -0600 Subject: PC800: Was next gen PC - now anti ABS From: Daryl Tschoepe To: PC800 It's possible that on 11/3/00 7:15 PM, Nossin, E.M. - SPLKK at Emile.Nossin@klm.nl hurled this into the void... > Only think it lacks now is ABS, but I think they'll > put that on as well like with the FJ1200. Hopefully they will keep it optional if they do. Of course their are those of us that oppose ABS and TCS on motorcycles. As most of the barely literate US drivers will incorrectly tell you, it does not shorten stopping distances, it prevents wheel lockup, a huge difference. Many, many magazine articles can be found to prove that someone who knows how to brake can stop quicker than a mouth breather stomping blindly on the ABS pedal. This is on dry pavement. Now, imagine a gravel road, where you need to lockup the back to stop quickly, you won't come nearly as close to the same stopping distance with ABS. Besides, it cheats Darwinian theory. Also, insurance statistics in the US prove that as "safety features" are added, bad habits and skill deteriorates, ala air bags and ABS on automobiles. While I will be first to point out that the majority of US drivers would be pulled from their cars and summarily executed in most parts of the world, I'm sure that having a ABS equipped motorcycle would also contribute to that same false sense of security. As to TCS, throttle control is cheap, and fun. I'd prefer not to have some programmer X thousands of miles and X amount of time removed tell me I can or can't give more throttle. One of Keith Code's first drills is throttle control, I can't imagine handing that over to a chip. Emile of all folks should know the Airbus story. It's totally fly by wire, with (at least in the early ones) the CPU evaluating what the pilot does and then saying yes or no. At one of the early airshows with the model (I think the 320), the pilot was going to do a touch and go on the runway...the computer said no, you're ready to land, you can't throttle up and go. The pilot put the plane into the trees at the end of the runway. Oops, guess we need to change some code! That's why I feel safer in a Boeing, their philosophy is that the pilot is always in control, not the CPU. My sentiments exactly. Especially on a motorcycle, where the appeal is the elemental mastery of the machine, versus subordinating man to machine. If ABS and TCS worked, they'd be on race bikes. They aren't. Take the $1000.00 and go to track school and learn skills, that transfer to any motorcycle. IMHO, Daryl P.S. Sorry about all the philosophy so early, I'll go get some caffeine now. -- Definitions: 1. A Democracy: Three wolves and a sheep voting on dinner. 2. A Republic: The flock gets to vote for which wolves vote on dinner. 3. A Constitutional Republic: Voting on dinner is expressly forbidden, and the sheep are armed. 4. Federal Government: The means by which the sheep will be fooled into voting for a Democracy. 5. Freedom: Two very hungry wolves looking for dinner and finding a very well-informed and well-armed sheep. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Daryl Tschoepe '98 SuperHawk #3693 tschoepe@earthlink.net '90 Pacific Coast #2010 & Project Gold Wing - '77 GL 1000 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: sge2000@att.net by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 15:56:11 +0000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) Subject: Re: PC800: Cheapest gas Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 15:56:10 +0000 Well, I'm HARDLY old enough to join this parade of old codgers reminiscing, but I'll do my best! ;-> In 1973, when I was ONLY 16, for a short time I could buy a quarter's worth of gas at 14.9 cents per gallon at the U-Pump at 25th and Main in Joplin, Missouri, and ride my CB350 nearly 70 miles. That's not very good mileage for a 350, but I WAS only 16, and usually the riding was mindlessly cruising up and down Main Street, on the throttle or brakes almost all the time. I suspect that gas prices in Joplin reflected proximity to Oklahoma oil wells, refineries, and pipelines, as well as the weakness of the local economy and job market. It has always seemed to me that gas prices there are usually lower than elsewhere in Missouri and nearby states. -- Steve Ewens Lee's Summit, MO iPCRC #1044 '89 PC800 > The cheapest gas I can remember was .10 per gallon which I put into my Honda > 305 Dream. The gas was sold from the service station on Fort Clayton in the > Panama Canal Zone in 1964. > > > Bernie > 94 PC > 71K > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Revill Dunn" Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:17:35 -0600 "PC800: Trunk Release Question." (Nov 3, 8:19pm) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Trunk Release Question. The trunk is not designed to pop open on it's own. What the discussion was about was whether or not you had to pull up on the seat at the same time as you popped the release lever to get it to let go. If your latch won't unlatch without you pulling the seat up, open the trunk and look at the inside top center. There are two rubber doobers (technical term) that hit two metal lands on either side of the trunk lid gas strut. Turning these doobers causes them to screw out, putting more preload on the latch and popping it unlatched when you pull the release lever. Over time, I guess the rubber compresses because I've had to adjust mine twice now. Revill Dunn Rider of Whirby -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Revill Dunn" Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:27:12 -0600 "PC800: Cheapest gas" (Nov 3, 11:34pm) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Cheapest gas The cheapest gas I can remember was when the Fed Mart in Houston was having a price war, in, oh, I guess around 1967. Gas was a dime, then eight cents, then a nickel a gallon, and you got a free glass with fillup. And, they punched your card for a pitcher after 10 fillups. And they checked the oil, tires, water and wiped your windshield. Of course, based on the $1.50 per hour I was making then vs what I make now, that nickel a gallon was only about 17% cheaper on a per hour basis than the $1.50 per gallon I pay today. I got 30 gallons for an hour's wages (before taxes) then and only 25 now. Revill Rider of Whirby -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "George and Gloria Hilsinger" To: , Subject: RE: PC800: Color Thread: Whooooooo Hooooo! Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 09:03:15 -0800 Importance: Normal Actually, white was just the first of several mistakes that eventually led to the cancelling of PC800 production. If they had started with teal, or dark blue, or yellow, or ...(insert your choice) they would have had a better selling bike than the Wing. George Hilsinger 97 PC800 Gypsy (Rose?) Yakima, WA Subject: Re: PC800: Color Thread: Whooooooo Hooooo! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "George and Gloria Hilsinger" To: "Bruce Pickett" , "PC800" Subject: RE: PC800: Shiftless in Seattle Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 09:19:56 -0800 Importance: Normal Bruce, The shift lever position can make a difference in how the bike shifts. Mostly I've noticed more neutrals on the upshift if the lever is on the wrong spline for my foot. George Hilsinger Over the Mountain, WA -----Original Message----- From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of Bruce Pickett Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 9:01 PM To: PC800 Subject: PC800: Shiftless in Seattle At the end of my recent note telling about removing Blue's crankcase cover and replacing the clutch push rod oil seal, I made the following observation: "One thing that I noted, which may need to be looked into further, was that the bike seems to shift differently now. It is especially noticeable when downshifting into first gear. It now has a tendency to not shift down past neutral. Several times, after downshifting while coming to a stop, when I wanted to go again, I was surprised to find that the bike was in neutral. I almost dropped the bike once when turning because I was expecting it to be in first but it was instead in neutral. Now that I have the oil leak fixed, I have something else to keep me busy." Other Coasters have now mentioned to me that they have experienced similar problems downshifting into first. Does anyone have any ideas about what may cause this? I can't think of anything that I did that should have affected the transmission gears. I did accidentally overfill the oil - could that affect the shifting? Maybe the clutch isn't being fully actuated? Perhaps the shift lever is on its spline in slightly different position? Or maybe I tightened the crankcase bolts too tight? I know that I'm grasping at straws here - does anybody have a plausable explanation? (Okay, to appease Dean, implausable explanations are accepted too). Thanks, Bruce Pickett Federal Way, WA '89 PC800 "Blue Pacific" http://www.users.qwest.net/~bpickett/Blue.html about=20 removing Blue's crankcase cover and replacing the clutch push rod oil = seal, I=20 made the following observation:
"One thing that I noted, which may = need to be=20 looked into further, was that the bike seems to shift differently = now. It is=20 especially noticeable when downshifting into first gear. It now has = a=20 tendency to not shift down past neutral. Several times, after = downshifting=20 while coming to a stop, when I wanted to go again, I was surprised = to find=20 that the bike was in neutral. I almost dropped the bike once when = turning=20 because I was expecting it to be in first but it was instead in = neutral. Now=20 that I have the oil leak fixed, I have something else to keep me=20 busy."
Other Coasters have now = mentioned to me that=20 they have experienced similar problems downshifting into first. Does = anyone=20 have any ideas about what may cause this? I can't think of anything = that I did=20 that should have affected the transmission gears. I did accidentally = overfill=20 the oil - could that affect the shifting? Maybe the clutch isn't being = fully=20 actuated? Perhaps the shift lever is on its spline in slightly = different=20 position? Or maybe I tightened the crankcase bolts too tight? I know = that I'm=20 grasping at straws here - does anybody have a plausable explanation? = (Okay, to=20 appease Dean, implausable explanations are accepted too). =
 
Thanks,
 
Bruce Pickett
Federal Way, = WA
'89 PC800=20 "Blue Pacific"
http://www.users= .qwest.net/~bpickett/Blue.html

 
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "George and Gloria Hilsinger" To: , "PC800" Subject: PC800: RE: [pacificcoast] More Movies Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 09:28:26 -0800 Importance: Normal Great videos Emile. My question relates to the picture of Leland getting really down and dirty in the curve. Were you really following hin through the curve riding one-handed while taking the picture? ;-) George Hilsinger 97 PC800 Gypsy Fruitbowl of the World, WA -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Emile Nossin [mailto:Emile@ST1100.net] Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 9:50 PM To: 2001 APCO; PC800 Subject: [pacificcoast] More Movies With pride I present my 3 latest movies, starring Neill Thompson in "MiNeillium", Leland Sheppard in "Low Flying Leland" and me in "The Emailman" : http://albums.photopoint.com/j/SmashCast?u=1016281&mode=list Turn on your speakers and enjoy, Emile Europe, Netherlands www.piloot.com -------------------------------------------------- www.st1100.net '92 ST ABS/TCS "Eclipse" www.ipcrc.org internet Pacific Coast Riders Club PCRC# 63, STOC# 1090, PanEuro# 59 -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. 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(InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 11:03:50 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Clay Leihy" To: "PC 800 LIST" Subject: Re: PC800: Trunk Lid Fit? Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 13:51:18 -0500 Yes, please, can someone shed some light on this one? The trunk on my 89 has been the same way since I bought it, last year. I've tried adjusting the bumpers and latches, to no avail. Similar to Mike's, my trunk lid closes quite nicely on one side, and has about a half-inch gap on the other. As the gappy side is on the right, it's painfully obvious when parked, and I get as many comments about that as I do about the "Body by Tupperware" labels. Clay Leihy 89 - "Lickity-Split" Burlington, NJ ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Michael & Marlisa Gunderson To: PC 800 LIST Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 9:43 PM Subject: PC800: Trunk Lid Fit? Hi, One more question, tonight that is... I just installed a new trunk lid on our 89, and it does not fit straight. One side hits the tupperware on the side of the PC, and the other has a 1/4" gap. Can this be adjusted via the small screws and shifting it from side to side? Or, is the trunk frame damaged. The trunk lid has never fit 'perfectly', but it has never fit this bad either. Any suggestions? "May the COAST be with you!" Mike Gunderson Davis, IL USA 1989 Pacific Coast "STORMTROOPER" mrgvideo@aeroinc.net http://mrgunderson.tripod.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Russ Goff" To: "Bruce Pickett" , "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Shiftless in Seattle Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 19:27:42 -0000 Hi Bruce, Glad the leak is fixed Now about the shifting problem >Does anyone have any ideas about what may cause this? I can't think of anything that I did that should have affected the transmission gears. I did accidentally overfill the oil - could that affect the shifting? No >Maybe the clutch isn't being fully actuated? Possibly >Perhaps the shift lever is on its spline in slightly different position? I would bet my mortgage on that one! >Or maybe I tightened the crankcase bolts too tight? Wouldnt cause the problem, this is not a CX500 where that could be the cause. >I know that I'm grasping at straws here - does anybody have a plausable explanation? Just working off experience here. Did you mark thre shift lever and shaft before removing the lever? Last time I rebuilt my CX I put the lever on the wrong position and could only get 1st and neutral - panic for 2 minutes then find that I was a couple of splines out. Cheers Russ www.f-goff.co.uk/mc/pc800links.htm City & Guilds Motorcycle Mechanic '89 PC800 "Obelix" iPCRC #777 HOC(GB) #17010 Landrover Discovery V8 EFi - LPG dual fuel "Binky" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BillandScoot@cs.com Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 15:20:59 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Shiftless in Seattle To: n1php@juno.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Harvey, I don't know if it would help Bruce's problem, but yours...I find that sometimes when I have shifted into nuetral, for what ever reason, long light, etc., I will have difficulty going back into first. The cure for me is to operate the clutch an extra time(in nuetral) before trying to reshift into first. Bill Richardson 98PC"Scoot" San Antonio iPCRC #906 HRCA #001137 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: "'MTW '" , "'BernieK469@aol.com '" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu '" Subject: RE: PC800: Cheapest gas Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 15:37:29 -0500 If people stopped buying SUVs and other "gas hogs" as well as all manner of gas-powered "toys"--snowmobiles, jetskis, etc.--and started driving more conscientiously rather than frivilously, there would be gas wars again. -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MTW To: BernieK469@aol.com; pc800@hpc.uh.edu Sent: 11/4/00 7:20 AM Subject: Re: PC800: Cheapest gas I saw 10cent/gal too, in 1964, around Jefferson City Iowa. It was in a gas station that was right across from another station that had it for 11 cents (gas war)! I wonder why we don't see gas wars any more? er...the "non-combatant" kind that is! Mike Whited ' 94 PC Columbus Ohio ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 11:34 PM Subject: PC800: Cheapest gas > The cheapest gas I can remember was .10 per gallon which I put into my Honda > 305 Dream. The gas was sold from the service station on Fort Clayton in the > Panama Canal Zone in 1964. > > > Bernie > 94 PC > 71K > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.20.01 AS-0098309) for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 14:45:04 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael & Marlisa Gunderson" To: "PC 800 LIST" Subject: Re: PC800: Shiftless in Seattle Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 14:43:22 -0600 "The cure for me is to operate the clutch an extra time(in nuetral) = before trying to reshift into first." In the world of trucks, they call that "Double Clutching". "May the COAST be with you!" Mike Gunderson Davis, IL USA 1989 Pacific Coast "STORMTROOPER" mrgvideo@aeroinc.net http://mrgunderson.tripod.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: "Goldberg, Saul" , "''MTW ' '" , "''BernieK469@aol.com ' '" , "''pc800@hpc.uh.edu ' '" Subject: RE: PC800: Cheapest gas Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 15:49:58 -0500 Clarification: In the previous message, a motorcycle is not a toy, of course. -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Goldberg, Saul To: 'MTW '; 'BernieK469@aol.com '; 'pc800@hpc.uh.edu ' Sent: 11/4/00 3:37 PM Subject: RE: PC800: Cheapest gas If people stopped buying SUVs and other "gas hogs" as well as all manner of gas-powered "toys"--snowmobiles, jetskis, etc.--and started driving more conscientiously rather than frivilously, there would be gas wars again. -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MTW To: BernieK469@aol.com; pc800@hpc.uh.edu Sent: 11/4/00 7:20 AM Subject: Re: PC800: Cheapest gas I saw 10cent/gal too, in 1964, around Jefferson City Iowa. It was in a gas station that was right across from another station that had it for 11 cents (gas war)! I wonder why we don't see gas wars any more? er...the "non-combatant" kind that is! Mike Whited ' 94 PC Columbus Ohio ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 11:34 PM Subject: PC800: Cheapest gas > The cheapest gas I can remember was .10 per gallon which I put into my Honda > 305 Dream. The gas was sold from the service station on Fort Clayton in the > Panama Canal Zone in 1964. > > > Bernie > 94 PC > 71K > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Revill Dunn" Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 14:52:16 -0600 "Re: PC800: Shiftless in Seattle" (Nov 4, 2:43pm) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Shiftless in Seattle The PC does have one of the sloppiest gearboxes that Honda ever produced. It's like something out of Poland, or Milwaukee. I get false neutrals all the time, except when I'm looking for the real one. If I forget and wait until I'm stopped to downshift, I have to let the clutch out a little bit, CLONK down, clutch out a little, CLONK down, etc. to 1st. I hope the reason is that Honda decided to make the gears really robust on the PC. Other less charitable theories I don't want to visit. On double clutching; with a wet clutch, you can get the same effect by blipping the throttle with the clutch in. The oil drag between the clutch plates speeds up the transmission, smoothing shifting. I usually do this on any bike when downshifting, so that it will 'snick' into gear instead of CLONK. Of course, no matter how much you try to pamper it, the PC likes to CLONK. On Nov 4, 2:43pm, Michael & Marlisa Gunderson wrote: > Subject: Re: PC800: Shiftless in Seattle > > "The cure for me is to operate the clutch an extra time(in nuetral) before trying to reshift into first." > > In the world of trucks, they call that "Double Clutching". > > "May the COAST be with you!" > >-- End of excerpt from Michael & Marlisa Gunderson -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: Subject: PC800: letters 4 U Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 13:02:46 -0800 Per the WOTL I purchased some pressure sensitive (and who isn't) vinyl = (why don't we spell it v y n i l if we're going to pronounce it this = way) letters to apply to Secondo con Brio's license plate frame.=20 And I did, and it is fine, though not rilly professional looking = because, well, it's Secondo's fault for having such a long name. Anyhoo I have oodles and gobs to the tooth power of these black letters = left. Any two sections would do most bike names unless it was Hawaiian. = Might run short of vowels. So I have divided these up into two packs, each pack containing some 1/4 = and some 1/2 inch high, and will forward them on to the first two people = to respond. =20 A hugely generous offer, I know, but just my way of saying thanks for = all the fish. Send me your snail address when you respond.=20 Lee Barker=20 95 "Secondo con Nameo" respond.=20
 
Lee Barker
95 "Secondo con = Nameo"
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: "Goldberg, Saul" , "'MTW '" , , Subject: Re: PC800: Cheapest gas Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 13:33:09 -0800 A local petroleum distributor told me that since prices have gone up--last 60 days, I'd guess--his sales are down 25%. Lee Barker 95 "Secondo con Brio" ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: "'MTW '" ; ; Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 12:37 PM Subject: RE: PC800: Cheapest gas > If people stopped buying SUVs and other "gas hogs" as well as all manner of > gas-powered "toys"--snowmobiles, jetskis, etc.--and started driving more > conscientiously rather than frivilously, there would be gas wars again. > > -----Original Message----- > From: MTW > To: BernieK469@aol.com; pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Sent: 11/4/00 7:20 AM > Subject: Re: PC800: Cheapest gas > > I saw 10cent/gal too, in 1964, around Jefferson City Iowa. It was in a > gas > station that was right across from another station that had it for 11 > cents > (gas war)! > > I wonder why we don't see gas wars any more? > > > er...the "non-combatant" kind that is! > > Mike Whited ' 94 PC > > Columbus Ohio > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 11:34 PM > Subject: PC800: Cheapest gas > > > > The cheapest gas I can remember was .10 per gallon which I put into my > Honda > > 305 Dream. The gas was sold from the service station on Fort Clayton > in > the > > Panama Canal Zone in 1964. > > > > > > Bernie > > 94 PC > > 71K > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: "Revill Dunn" , Subject: Re: PC800: Shiftless now false neutrals Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 13:37:48 -0800 > The PC does have one of the sloppiest gearboxes that Honda ever produced. It's > like something out of Poland, or Milwaukee. I get false neutrals all the > time, except when I'm looking for the real one. I can't recall ever getting a false neutral, Revill. Use to find them a lot on my old 750/4. And as for clonking, obviously you have never owned or ridden a BMW R/ bike. Downshifting (and up) with those is Richter-Measurable. I agree that getting to neutral at a stop is uncertain and frustrating. I think I probably just do that on deceleration without thinking. Like lots of things I do. Lee Barker 95 "Secondo con Brio" > > On double clutching; with a wet clutch, you can get the same effect by blipping > the throttle with the clutch in. The oil drag between the clutch plates speeds > up the transmission, smoothing shifting. I usually do this on any bike when > downshifting, so that it will 'snick' into gear instead of CLONK. Of course, > no matter how much you try to pamper it, the PC likes to CLONK. > > On -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Thfwsf@aol.com for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 16:42:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 16:42:32 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Shiftless in Seattle To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu When I got my '89 I had a buggar of a time trying to get it into neutral when I was stopped. It was a major pain in the @$$, especially when the bike was nice and warm. However, I switched the oil to a synthentic oil at the next oil change and it hasn't been a problem since (in danger of starting an oil thread, I changed the oil to Mobil 15W50 from the stock Honda stuff the previous owner said they used). Overall I find the PC shifts better too. Of course, FWIW and YMMV, Tom Fraser Manassas, VA '89 PC800 "Singer" iPCRC #1001 In a message dated 11/4/00 3:53:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, revill.dunn@legerity.com writes: > The PC does have one of the sloppiest gearboxes that Honda ever produced. > It's > like something out of Poland, or Milwaukee. I get false neutrals all the > time, except when I'm looking for the real one. If I forget and wait until > I'm > stopped to downshift, I have to let the clutch out a little bit, CLONK down, > clutch out a little, CLONK down, etc. to 1st. I hope the reason is that > Honda > decided to make the gears really robust on the PC. Other less charitable > theories I don't want to visit. > > On double clutching; with a wet clutch, you can get the same effect by > blipping > the throttle with the clutch in. The oil drag between the clutch plates > speeds > up the transmission, smoothing shifting. I usually do this on any bike when > downshifting, so that it will 'snick' into gear instead of CLONK. Of > course, > no matter how much you try to pamper it, the PC likes to CLONK. > > On Nov 4, 2:43pm, Michael & Marlisa Gunderson wrote: > > Subject: Re: PC800: Shiftless in Seattle > > > > "The cure for me is to operate the clutch an extra time(in nuetral) > before trying to reshift into first." > > > > In the world of trucks, they call that "Double Clutching". > > > > "May the COAST be with you!" > > > >-- End of excerpt from Michael & Marlisa Gunderson > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaMotorbike@aol.com for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 16:54:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 16:54:05 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Shiftless now false neutrals To: Hi I have a 94, PC in Britain (orig from CA) My gearbox is absolutly SOUND, no problems at all EVER, my bike has done 15000miles and i know if i ever have to de-asseble it i will have NO PROBLEM. I dont know what people are having problems when rebuidgin there PC but does no one have a workshop manual as i would say that there is ALOT in there about lining parts and levers up before rebuilding bits of the bike (esp the gearbox). Laters P.S. Just sorted my front brake from binding and now the bike runs ALOT better and feels more stable around corners etc.... -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaMotorbike@aol.com for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 16:58:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 16:58:51 EST Subject: PC800: PC Running lights... To: Right everyone. I have just finished the first prototype of a set of runing lights in the FRONT reflectors on a CN250 which will also go straight over to the PC as well. I am working on the front yellow and rear red reflectors. I am doing this for ME but if i get enough interest then i will think about making it more available to others..... If enough people responed (in anyway) then i will post a few pictures of the prototypes on the MSN PC800 website.... Laters -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaMotorbike@aol.com Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 17:16:36 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Shiftless now false neutrals To: Cc: No They where fine (and have been serviced again by me) it was the right lower piston had got to correded and wasnt working well at all, the left set where fine execpt the lower one of the left pistons was slight worse than the top one but was ok, i cleaned ALL pistons with cotton buds on sticks and DOT 5.1 brake fluid making sure NONE EVER went onto the pads or disc (or anywhere else for that matter). All took me about 4 hours Laters ANSWER TO THE BELOW "P.S. Just sorted my front brake from binding and now the bike runs ALOT better and feels more stable around corners etc..." Were the caliper's pins corroded? It's my shop mechanic's favorite gripe about other shops. He claims almost noone checks/lubes them whenever the wheels are off for a tire change,etc... It's fairly simple to keep them in good shape and a real pain should they get neglected. By pins, I'm referring to the "bolts" that are smooth most of their length and allow the caliper to center itself on the rotor, promoting smooth action and even pad wear. -eddie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Delivered-To: fixup-pc800@hpc.uh.edu@fixme by sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 4 Nov 2000 22:35:25 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bruce Pickett" To: Subject: PC800: Viscosity & service classification Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 14:35:19 -0800 Sorry, I slipped on an oil thread. But now that I've blackened my hands on it, I have some questions. I have noted that when people talk about synthetic, they use 15W-50. The owner's manual recommends 10W-40 oil, so why the difference in viscosity? Is it temperature related or something else? The chart in the owner's manual shows that 20W oils are recommended for average temperatures above 32 °F (0 °C), and 10W oils are recommended down to average temps of about 5 °F (-15 °C). There are no listings for 15W oils. While on the topic of oil, the owner's manual also recommends using oil with Service Classification SE or SF. I just noticed that the 10W-40 Pennzoil that I use is classified SJ. Is the oil's service classification a major consideration? Bruce Pickett Federal Way, WA '89 PC800 "Blue Pacific" http://www.users.uswest.net/~bpickett/Blue.html ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: To: Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 1:42 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Shiftless in Seattle > > > > > ---------- > > From: Thfwsf@aol.com[SMTP:THFWSF@AOL.COM] > > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 1:42:32 PM > > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > > Subject: Re: PC800: Shiftless in Seattle > > > When I got my '89 I had a buggar of a time trying to get it into neutral > when I was stopped. It was a major pain in the @$$, especially when the bike > was nice and warm. However, I switched the oil to a synthentic oil at the > next oil change and it hasn't been a problem since (in danger of starting an > oil thread, I changed the oil to Mobil 15W50 from the stock Honda stuff the > previous owner said they used). Overall I find the PC shifts better > too. > > Of course, FWIW and YMMV, > > Tom Fraser > Manassas, VA > '89 PC800 "Singer" > iPCRC #1001 > > In a message dated 11/4/00 3:53:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, > revill.dunn@legerity.com writes: > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaMotorbike@aol.com Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 17:45:13 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Viscosity & service classification To: Cc: >From the top of my head (i would need to research this) the 10-40W item thing is at what temt the oil brakes down at, i usa CASTROL GTX MAGANATEC in ALL my bikes and cars (Honda CN250 and a sports 24 valve engine). I ONLY ever use natrual oil and NEVER synthetic, they dont mix so changin halfway through isnt a good idea. Synthetic is harder oil than natrual and only high pormance cars use it (like Ferrari). Maganatec oil is great as it "sticks" (like the name suggests) to metel to stop the engine startin with dry parts. Also makes the engine VERY quite as stays thick and insulates the noise from the metal Laters -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 14:48:05 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Sheila A. Coneybeer" To: "PC800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: Color Thread: Whooooooo Hooooo! Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 15:49:32 -0700 Since black is the absence of all visible color, does that mean that black isn't a color at all? That all the black PCs are nekked? Sheila A. Coneybeer Phoenix, AZ Suzi Shortstuff - '96 Suzuki Intruder 800 - Still Learning Scarlett O'Honda - '90 Honda PC800 - Passenger Only ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 6:57 AM Subject: Re: PC800: Color Thread: Whooooooo Hooooo! > From: "eddie" > ...I'll bite, since I'm a relative "newbie" to the list. > White: Isn't that the absence of color? ;-D -eddie > > On the contrary, white is the collection of all visible > colors, black is the absence of any color. I guess that's why > it has the color black.... or something.... > Gotta catch me some sleep now...damn nightshift... > > Emile > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Delivered-To: fixup-pc800@hpc.uh.edu@fixme by sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 4 Nov 2000 22:48:29 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bruce Pickett" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Shiftless in Seattle Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 14:48:23 -0800 Russ, There is an index mark on the end of the shifter shaft that aligns with the notch in the shifter lever. I noted the positioning before I removed the lever from the shaft, and I tried to put it back at the same spot. I am reasonably sure that I got it back within at least one spline of the original position. But I am going to try adjusting this to see if it helps. Thanks, Bruce Pickett Federal Way, WA '89 PC800 "Blue Pacific" http://www.users.qwest.net/~bpickett/Blue.html ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Russ Goff" To: "Bruce Pickett" ; "PC800" Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 11:27 AM Subject: Re: PC800: Shiftless in Seattle > Hi Bruce, > Glad the leak is fixed > Now about the shifting problem > >Does anyone have any ideas about what may cause this? I can't think of > anything that I did that should have affected the transmission gears. I did > accidentally overfill the oil - could that affect the shifting? > No > > >Maybe the clutch isn't being fully actuated? > Possibly > > >Perhaps the shift lever is on its spline in slightly different position? > I would bet my mortgage on that one! > > >Or maybe I tightened the crankcase bolts too tight? > Wouldnt cause the problem, this is not a CX500 where that could be the > cause. > > >I know that I'm grasping at straws here - does anybody have a plausable > explanation? > Just working off experience here. Did you mark thre shift lever and shaft > before removing the lever? Last time I rebuilt my CX I put the lever on the > wrong position and could only get 1st and neutral - panic for 2 minutes then > find that I was a couple of splines out. > > Cheers > Russ > www.f-goff.co.uk/mc/pc800links.htm > City & Guilds Motorcycle Mechanic > '89 PC800 "Obelix" iPCRC #777 HOC(GB) #17010 > Landrover Discovery V8 EFi - LPG dual fuel "Binky" > > > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Delivered-To: fixup-pc800@hpc.uh.edu.@fixme by mplspop5.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2000 00:19:24 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 18:24:15 -0600 From: Rick Corwine To: PC 800 List , Y2K rider list Subject: PC800: Photo Contest Results Thanks to the WOTL we have a winner it is Selection A or 1, the shadow in motion, by a 2 to 1 margin. There was also 1 vote for D-Don't quit your day job, there's always a smart aleck in every group. Come to think of it we've got more than our fair share on these lists ;-) Thank for the input. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "Bruce Pickett" cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: PC800: Re: Viscosity & service classification of "Sat, 04 Nov 2000 14:35:19 PST." <00d101c046af$83a19600$2a00a8c0@nt> Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 18:21:21 -0600 "Bruce Pickett" writes: > I have noted that when people talk about synthetic, they use 15W-50. Th= e > owner's manual recommends 10W-40 oil, so why the difference in viscosit= y? Because Mobil-1 is available in 0W-30, 5W-30, 10W-30, and 15W-50. = Thicker oils protect better than thin. Lacking a 10W-40, 15W-50 is the = way to go for non-freezing use. Also the non-energy saving oils (such = as 15W-50) are immune to the EPA's mandatory limits on anti-wear = additives. Those which have caused a uproar in the motorcycle community = the past couple of years. And caused motorcycle-specific oil makers to = start drooling. Tests indicate Mobil-1 15W-50 abides by the EPA limits anyhow. Drat. = The motorcycle versions of Mobil-1 have higher additive levels. > While on the topic of oil, the owner's manual also recommends using oil= > with Service Classification SE or SF. I just noticed that the 10W-40 > Pennzoil that I use is classified SJ. Is the oil's service classificat= ion a > major consideration? > = > Bruce Pickett > Federal Way, WA > '89 PC800 "Blue Pacific" Big fuss about additive limits in SJ oil. Big fuss that supposedly the = API ratings are upwards compatible, meaning SJ meets all SE and SF = requirements. OTOH many believe SJ oils are lesser for lack of = traditional anti-wear additives which are being reduced to increase the = lifetime of catalytic converters. All the fuss about additives presumes these additives are the last word = in wear prevention. If that were true then we might as well pump these = additives around in a water base rather than go to all the effort to = use oil. :-) I use Mobil-1 in everything. I know my PC shifts better with it. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-57968U12500L1250S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 20:33:20 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Carl Luft" To: "pc800 mailing list" Subject: Re: PC800: Viscosity & service classification Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 20:11:06 -0500 > I have noted that when people talk about synthetic, they use 15W-50. The > owner's manual recommends 10W-40 oil, so why the difference in viscosity? Is > it temperature related or something else? The chart in the owner's manual > shows that 20W oils are recommended for average temperatures above 32 °F (0 > °C), and 10W oils are recommended down to average temps of about 5 °F (-15 > °C). There are no listings for 15W oils. I would use the 10W-40 unless the motor consumes some over time then go with a higher weight like 15W-50. The 10W part of the 10W-40 covers the 10W part in the manual and the -40 covers the higher temps. > While on the topic of oil, the owner's manual also recommends using oil > with Service Classification SE or SF. I just noticed that the 10W-40 > Pennzoil that I use is classified SJ. Is the oil's service classification a > major consideration? > Bruce Pickett There is talk in motorcycle circles that the latest spec."SJ" could cause a problem with wet chutches like the one the pc uses. Some say thay had problems some say thay never had problems. Mobile one has a motorcycle oil as well as Amsoil and then theres honda's oil. Carl Luft PC800 'Proteus' Wernersville, PA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JACKKPTS@aol.com Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 20:32:11 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Shiftless in Seattle To: revill.dunn@legerity.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hey, I'm Polish AND from Milwaukee! No one has ver mentioned that I have a sloppy gearbox...... Jack Kamoske Cool Runnings, '90 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by qmail3.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 5 Nov 2000 01:40:12 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 02:40:34 +0100 From: Wolfgang Kaufmann To: PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: Motorcycle Maintenance, Zen or Not Hi Bruce, thank you for writing the story of replacing the oil seal of your PC in such a humorous way. I really enjoyed it (especially the caution note!) and read it like a good book! (I also had to use my online dictionary only a few times!) Hope that you have fixed your problem of oil leakage! BTW, is anyone of the listers able to translate to German or to describe in other words the word "inseam" ? It is often used in connection to find out the correct length of a Clearview-windshield, and I cannot find it in my dictionary. Thanks in advance! Wolfgang Kaufmann `90 Mazda Baby, 60k `96 6,5k, (still damaged) PCOR # 634 http://www.members.aon.at/mtc81/pc800.htm -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by qmail4.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 5 Nov 2000 01:41:45 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 02:42:07 +0100 From: Wolfgang Kaufmann To: PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: The next generation PC? >Shaft drive - Full Fairing - Easy Slow Speed Handling - Twisty Ability - Hydraulic lifters - Cargo Space - .......< Hi Monty, you brought it to the point! These were exactly the reasons for I bought a second PC last August ! The possible PC replacement bikes you mentioned are much too high in price, for me a reasonable price for a (new) bike has to stay below $ 8.000,- - no, let`s say $ 9.000,- , but only for a PC, if Honda starts the production again ;-) (Prices in Austria are about $ 15.000,- for ST 1100 ABS/TCS, about $ 14.000,- for Yamaha FJR 1300, ..........) As I own now a `90 PC with 60k miles and a `96 PC with 6,5k miles I hope that I shall not come to the situation to have to look for a new bike within the next ten years ! And in the worst case, if one of my PCs breakes down, I should be able to use her parts for the other one, if spare parts are not longer available from Honda....... bye, Wolfgang Kaufmann `90 Mazda Baby, 60k `96 6,5k, (still damaged) PCOR # 634 http://www.members.aon.at/mtc81/pc800.htm -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-57968U12500L1250S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 20:46:37 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Carl Luft" To: "pc800 mailing list" Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Viscosity & service classification Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 20:35:11 -0500 >.Big fuss about additive limits in SJ oil. Big fuss that supposedly the >API ratings are upwards compatible, meaning SJ meets all SE and SF >requirements. OTOH many believe SJ oils are lesser for lack of >traditional anti-wear additives which are being reduced to increase the >lifetime of catalytic converters. >All the fuss about additives presumes these additives are the last word >in wear prevention. If that were true then we might as well pump these >additives around in a water base rather than go to all the effort to >use oil. :-) >I use Mobil-1 in everything. I know my PC shifts better with it. >-- >David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net You may be interested in this site. I'v used Amsoil for a long time. http://www.amsoil.com/ Carl Luft PC800 'Proteus' Wernersville, PA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaPC800Rider@aol.com Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 20:44:02 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Viscosity & service classification To: HondaMotorbike@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 11/4/2000 5:46:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, HondaMotorbike@aol.com writes: << e top of my head (i would need to research this) the 10-40W item thing is at what temt the oil brakes down at, i usa CASTROL GTX MAGANATEC in ALL my bikes and cars (Honda CN250 and a sports 24 valve engine). I ONLY ever use natrual oil and NEVER synthetic, they dont mix so changin halfway through isnt a good idea. Synthetic is harder oil than natrual and only high pormance cars use it (like Ferrari). Maganatec oil is great as it "sticks" (like the name suggests) to metel to stop the engine startin with dry parts. Also makes the engine VERY quite as stays thick and insulates the noise from the metal Laters >> Uh, okay... Troy Doyle 1997 PC800 Gabrielle Summerville, SC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "Carl Luft" cc: "pc800 mailing list" Subject: PC800: Re: Viscosity & service classification of "Sat, 04 Nov 2000 20:11:06 EST." <001301c046c6$c9949240$a0f1c3d1@j3s0p2> Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 19:52:00 -0600 From: David Kelly "Carl Luft" writes: > There is talk in motorcycle circles that the latest spec."SJ" could cau= se a > problem with wet chutches like the one the pc uses. Some say thay had > problems some say thay never had problems. Mobile one has a motorcycle = oil > as well as Amsoil and then theres honda's oil. The problem with SJ isn't the clutch. Its the gears. Automotive engines = don't have the shearing forces a motorcycle transmission places on oils. = Still, I use Mobil-1 automotive 15W-50 in my motorcycles. Additives such as graphite are bad for motorcycle clutches. Teflon will kill a clutch. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BillandScoot@cs.com Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 21:21:51 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Color Thread: Whooooooo Hooooo! To: ladysings@netzero.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Sheila, If black bikes are nekked, then are the red ones "Scarlett Ladies"? Bill Richardson 98PC"Scoot" San Antonio iPCRC #906 HRCA #001137 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Delivered-To: fixup-pc800@hpc.uh.edu@fixme by sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2000 02:26:48 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bruce Pickett" To: , "PC800" Subject: PC800: Inseam Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 18:26:40 -0800 Wolfgang, Sorry, I can't give you a German/Austrian translation, but I can tell you what it means in English. "Inseam" is the measurement for the length of a pair of pants, measured from the crotch to the bottom of a pant leg. You could think of it as the "INside SEAM" of the pants. Since everybody is built differently, a given type/size of windscreen will work differently for different people. For instance, I am 6' 3" (190 cm) tall and have a 34" (86 cm) inseam; this tells you that roughly 40-45% of my height is from my legs. I look over the top of my Clearview +5 windscreen, but someone with different body proportions might look through the windscreen instead. Bruce Pickett Federal Way, WA '89 PC800 "Blue Pacific" http://www.users.qwest.net/~bpickett/Blue.html ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Wolfgang Kaufmann" To: "PC800" Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 5:40 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Motorcycle Maintenance, Zen or Not > > > > ---------- > > From: Wolfgang Kaufmann[SMTP:W.KAUFMANN@AON.AT] > > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 5:40:34 PM > > To: PC800 > > Subject: Re: PC800: Motorcycle Maintenance, Zen or Not > > Auto forwarded by a Rule > > > Hi Bruce, > > thank you for writing the story of replacing the oil seal of your PC in such a > humorous way. > > I really enjoyed it (especially the caution note!) and read it like a good book! > > (I also had to use my online dictionary only a few times!) > > Hope that you have fixed your problem of oil leakage! > > BTW, is anyone of the listers able to translate to German or to describe in > other words the word "inseam" ? > It is often used in connection to find out the correct length of a > Clearview-windshield, and I cannot find it in my dictionary. > Thanks in advance! > > Wolfgang Kaufmann > `90 Mazda Baby, 60k > `96 6,5k, (still damaged) > PCOR # 634 > http://www.members.aon.at/mtc81/pc800.htm > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: w.kaufmann@aon.at cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: PC800: Re: Motorcycle Maintenance, Zen or Not of "Sun, 05 Nov 2000 02:40:34 +0100." <3A04BA92.CAA55E11@aon.at> Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 20:29:28 -0600 Wolfgang Kaufmann writes: > BTW, is anyone of the listers able to translate to German or to describe in > other words the word "inseam" ? When you buy long pants you have two dimmensions to balance, the circumfrence of your waist, and the length of your legs. "Inseam" is the length of your legs from crotch to end of the pants leg. Its only an approximation of the length of your leg as pants don't start/stop at your leg ends. :-) In the application of selection of windshield, the length of your inseam when considered with your height indicates how much of your height is in your back. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (SMTPD32-5.05) id ABEF2E100096; Sat, 04 Nov 2000 21:54:39 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Sir Quincy" To: "Pacific Coast" Subject: PC800: removing front wheel Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 21:51:31 -0500 I am getting ready to change the front tyre for the firt time. Do I have to remove the speedometer cable? Brake calipers? Thinking of replacing the brake pads too... is this hard? Thanks Adam -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Delivered-To: fixup-pc800@hpc.uh.edu@fixme by sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2000 03:02:06 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bruce Pickett" To: "David Kelly" Cc: Subject: PC800: Re: Viscosity & service classification Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 19:02:00 -0800 David, Thank you for the info on oil. So if there were a potential for freezing, would you switch to 10W-30? Here in the Seattle area, we may get temperatures below freezing on a handful of days, but usually its no less than 35-40 °F in the winter. Blue is kept in the garage, and if there's ice out there, she and I aren't going out. I guess that if I couldn't get 10W-40, then the 15W-50 would probably do. Bruce Pickett Federal Way, WA '89 PC800 "Blue Pacific" http://www.users.qwest.net/~bpickett/Blue.html ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "David Kelly" To: "Bruce Pickett" Cc: Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 4:21 PM Subject: Re: Viscosity & service classification "Bruce Pickett" writes: > I have noted that when people talk about synthetic, they use 15W-50. The > owner's manual recommends 10W-40 oil, so why the difference in viscosity? Because Mobil-1 is available in 0W-30, 5W-30, 10W-30, and 15W-50. Thicker oils protect better than thin. Lacking a 10W-40, 15W-50 is the way to go for non-freezing use. Also the non-energy saving oils (such as 15W-50) are immune to the EPA's mandatory limits on anti-wear additives. Those which have caused a uproar in the motorcycle community the past couple of years. And caused motorcycle-specific oil makers to start drooling. Tests indicate Mobil-1 15W-50 abides by the EPA limits anyhow. Drat. The motorcycle versions of Mobil-1 have higher additive levels. > While on the topic of oil, the owner's manual also recommends using oil > with Service Classification SE or SF. I just noticed that the 10W-40 > Pennzoil that I use is classified SJ. Is the oil's service classification a > major consideration? > > Bruce Pickett > Federal Way, WA > '89 PC800 "Blue Pacific" Big fuss about additive limits in SJ oil. Big fuss that supposedly the API ratings are upwards compatible, meaning SJ meets all SE and SF requirements. OTOH many believe SJ oils are lesser for lack of traditional anti-wear additives which are being reduced to increase the lifetime of catalytic converters. All the fuss about additives presumes these additives are the last word in wear prevention. If that were true then we might as well pump these additives around in a water base rather than go to all the effort to use oil. :-) I use Mobil-1 in everything. I know my PC shifts better with it. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP Sat, 4 Nov 2000 19:13:35 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Sheila A. Coneybeer" To: "PC800 List" , "Bill Richardson" Subject: Re: PC800: Color Thread: Whooooooo Hooooo! Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 20:14:13 -0700 Gee Bill, I, of course, prefer "The Lady in Red". Why, there's even been a song written for them. Sheila ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 7:21 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Color Thread: Whooooooo Hooooo! > Sheila, > If black bikes are nekked, then are the red ones "Scarlett Ladies"? > > Bill Richardson > 98PC"Scoot" > San Antonio > iPCRC #906 HRCA #001137 > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Delivered-To: fixup-pc800@hpc.uh.edu@fixme by sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2000 03:22:01 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bruce Pickett" To: "Sheila A. Coneybeer" Cc: "PC800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: Color Thread: Whooooooo Hooooo! Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 19:21:54 -0800 'Twas a cold winter's evening, The guests were all leaving, O'Leary was closing the bar. When he turned and he said to the Lady in Red "Get out, you can't stay where you are!" ... That one? ;-) Bruce Pickett Federal Way, WA '89 PC800 "Blue Pacific" http://www.users.qwest.net/~bpickett/Blue.html ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Sheila A. Coneybeer" To: "PC800 List" ; "Bill Richardson" Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 7:14 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Color Thread: Whooooooo Hooooo! > > > > ---------- > > From: Sheila A. Coneybeer[SMTP:LADYSINGS@NETZERO.NET] > > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 7:14:13 PM > > To: PC800 List; Bill Richardson > > Subject: Re: PC800: Color Thread: Whooooooo Hooooo! > > Auto forwarded by a Rule > > > Gee Bill, > > I, of course, prefer "The Lady in Red". Why, there's even been a song > written for them. > > Sheila > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 7:21 PM > Subject: Re: PC800: Color Thread: Whooooooo Hooooo! > > > > Sheila, > > If black bikes are nekked, then are the red ones "Scarlett Ladies"? > > > > Bill Richardson > > 98PC"Scoot" > > San Antonio > > iPCRC #906 HRCA #001137 > > > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BillandScoot@cs.com Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 22:28:00 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Color Thread: Whooooooo Hooooo! To: bpickett@qwest.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Bruce, I was thinking about the one that goes: "Lady in Red, dancing close to me, cheek to cheek". Must be the hopeless romantic in me.... Sheila, which one? Bill Richardson 98PC"Scoot" San Antonio iPCRC #906 HRCA #001137 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 19:53:42 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Sheila A. Coneybeer" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Color Thread: Whooooooo Hooooo! Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 20:54:08 -0700 Gentlemen, I am a romantic and I often feel like our (1990) Scarlett O'Honda does a sensuous, sinuous tango through the curves. Bill, you have the right lyrics. Sheila ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:28 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Color Thread: Whooooooo Hooooo! > Bruce, I was thinking about the one that goes: "Lady in Red, dancing close to > me, cheek to cheek". Must be the hopeless romantic in me.... > Sheila, which one? > > Bill Richardson > 98PC"Scoot" > San Antonio > iPCRC #906 HRCA #001137 > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "eddie" To: "Tom and Anita Humphrey" Cc: "PC800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: Color Thread: Whooooooo Hooooo! Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 00:23:49 -0500 Okay. I understand now. ;-) White isn't just a color. It's a mix of colors, if you will. Like an incandecent light bulb. Now, there's a cool name for a 89' PC800; Sylvania! -eddie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by smtp.namezero.com (209.228.14.66) with SMTP; 4 Nov 2000 22:54:40 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: PC Running lights... Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 07:54:53 +0100 >I have just finished the first prototype of a set of runing lights in the >FRONT reflectors on a CN250 which will also go straight over to the PC as >well. Laters You mean lights in those reflectors that are on the side of the fender ? Emile Europe, Netherlands Y2K pics and video's : http://photos.piloot.com www.piloot.com -------------------------------------------------- www.st1100.net '92 ST ABS/TCS "Eclipse" www.ipcrc.org internet Pacific Coast Riders Club PCRC# 63, STOC# 1090, PanEuro# 59 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Inseam Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 08:11:06 +0100 Translations for: inseam Deutsch (German): innere Naht eines Kleidungsstücks od. Schuhs Français (French): longueur de pantalon à partir de l'entrejambe Español (Spanish): medida de (pernera) Italiano (Italian): cucitura interna Nederlands (Dutch): binnenzoom I love this gurunet program... www.gurunet.com Just hold the Alt key, click on Inseam or any other word and voila a translation / explanation / map / definition / history... Emile ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bruce Pickett" To: ; "PC800" Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 3:26 AM Subject: PC800: Inseam Wolfgang, Sorry, I can't give you a German/Austrian translation, but I can tell you what it means in English. "Inseam" is the measurement for the length of a pair of pants, measured from the crotch to the bottom of a pant leg. You could think of it as the "INside SEAM" of the pants. Since everybody is built differently, a given type/size of windscreen will work differently for different people. For instance, I am 6' 3" (190 cm) tall and have a 34" (86 cm) inseam; this tells you that roughly 40-45% of my height is from my legs. I look over the top of my Clearview +5 windscreen, but someone with different body proportions might look through the windscreen instead. Bruce Pickett Federal Way, WA '89 PC800 "Blue Pacific" http://www.users.qwest.net/~bpickett/Blue.html ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Wolfgang Kaufmann" To: "PC800" Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 5:40 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Motorcycle Maintenance, Zen or Not > > > > ---------- > > From: Wolfgang Kaufmann[SMTP:W.KAUFMANN@AON.AT] > > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 5:40:34 PM > > To: PC800 > > Subject: Re: PC800: Motorcycle Maintenance, Zen or Not > > Auto forwarded by a Rule > > > Hi Bruce, > > thank you for writing the story of replacing the oil seal of your PC in such a > humorous way. > > I really enjoyed it (especially the caution note!) and read it like a good book! > > (I also had to use my online dictionary only a few times!) > > Hope that you have fixed your problem of oil leakage! > > BTW, is anyone of the listers able to translate to German or to describe in > other words the word "inseam" ? > It is often used in connection to find out the correct length of a > Clearview-windshield, and I cannot find it in my dictionary. > Thanks in advance! > > Wolfgang Kaufmann > `90 Mazda Baby, 60k > `96 6,5k, (still damaged) > PCOR # 634 > http://www.members.aon.at/mtc81/pc800.htm > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by smtp.namezero.com (209.228.14.66) with SMTP; 4 Nov 2000 23:18:02 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: , "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: RE: [pacificcoast] More Movies Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 08:16:49 +0100 >From: "George and Gloria Hilsinger" >Great videos Emile. My question relates to the picture of Leland getting >really down and dirty in the curve. Were you really following hin through >the curve riding one-handed while taking the picture? ;-) Doing exactly what he was...but then one handed yes.. or backward... depending on the picture.. one hand works fine.. countersteering is what it's all about... Will I be able to make such a picture of you next year ? ; ) Emile Europe, Netherlands Y2K pics and movies: http://photos.piloot.com www.piloot.com -------------------------------------------------- www.st1100.net '92 ST ABS/TCS "Eclipse" www.ipcrc.org internet Pacific Coast Riders Club PCRC# 63, STOC# 1090, PanEuro# 59 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Russ Goff" To: "Bruce Pickett" , , "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Inseam Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 08:18:09 -0000 In real ENGLISH, as in spoken by English people (and most Wesh and Scots and Irish as well) the inseam (American English) is known as the inside leg measurement. I had never heard the term inseam until I came on this group, and only understood what it was because of the context. cheers Russ www.f-goff.co.uk/mc/pc800links.htm City & Guilds Motorcycle Mechanic '89 PC800 "Obelix" iPCRC #777 HOC(GB) #17010 Landrover Discovery V8 EFi - LPG dual fuel "Binky" ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bruce Pickett" To: ; "PC800" Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 2:26 AM Subject: PC800: Inseam > Wolfgang, > > Sorry, I can't give you a German/Austrian translation, but I can tell you > what it means in English. "Inseam" is the measurement for the length of a > pair of pants, measured from the crotch to the bottom of a pant leg. You > could think of it as the "INside SEAM" of the pants. > > Since everybody is built differently, a given type/size of windscreen will > work differently for different people. For instance, I am 6' 3" (190 cm) > tall and have a 34" (86 cm) inseam; this tells you that roughly 40-45% of my > height is from my legs. I look over the top of my Clearview +5 windscreen, > but someone with different body proportions might look through the > windscreen instead. > > Bruce Pickett > Federal Way, WA > '89 PC800 "Blue Pacific" > http://www.users.qwest.net/~bpickett/Blue.html > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wolfgang Kaufmann" > To: "PC800" > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 5:40 PM > Subject: Re: PC800: Motorcycle Maintenance, Zen or Not > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > From: Wolfgang Kaufmann[SMTP:W.KAUFMANN@AON.AT] > > > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 5:40:34 PM > > > To: PC800 > > > Subject: Re: PC800: Motorcycle Maintenance, Zen or Not > > > Auto forwarded by a Rule > > > > > Hi Bruce, > > > > thank you for writing the story of replacing the oil seal of your PC in > such a > > humorous way. > > > > I really enjoyed it (especially the caution note!) and read it like a good > book! > > > > (I also had to use my online dictionary only a few times!) > > > > Hope that you have fixed your problem of oil leakage! > > > > BTW, is anyone of the listers able to translate to German or to describe > in > > other words the word "inseam" ? > > It is often used in connection to find out the correct length of a > > Clearview-windshield, and I cannot find it in my dictionary. > > Thanks in advance! > > > > Wolfgang Kaufmann > > `90 Mazda Baby, 60k > > `96 6,5k, (still damaged) > > PCOR # 634 > > http://www.members.aon.at/mtc81/pc800.htm > > > > > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Russ Goff" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Shiftless in Seattle Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 08:22:43 -0000 I found on my PC that with the shifter set to the index mark, it was too low for my big feet causing missed and messed shifts, so I moved it up 1 or 2 splines. All was fine after this. cheers Russ www.f-goff.co.uk/mc/pc800links.htm City & Guilds Motorcycle Mechanic '89 PC800 "Obelix" iPCRC #777 HOC(GB) #17010 Landrover Discovery V8 EFi - LPG dual fuel "Binky" ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bruce Pickett" To: "PC800" Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 10:48 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Shiftless in Seattle > Russ, > There is an index mark on the end of the shifter shaft that aligns with the > notch in the shifter lever. I noted the positioning before I removed the > lever from the shaft, and I tried to put it back at the same spot. I am > reasonably sure that I got it back within at least one spline of the > original position. But I am going to try adjusting this to see if it helps. > > Thanks, > > Bruce Pickett > Federal Way, WA > '89 PC800 "Blue Pacific" > http://www.users.qwest.net/~bpickett/Blue.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Russ Goff" > To: "Bruce Pickett" ; "PC800" > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 11:27 AM > Subject: Re: PC800: Shiftless in Seattle > > > > Hi Bruce, > > Glad the leak is fixed > > Now about the shifting problem > > >Does anyone have any ideas about what may cause this? I can't think of > > anything that I did that should have affected the transmission gears. I > did > > accidentally overfill the oil - could that affect the shifting? > > No > > > > >Maybe the clutch isn't being fully actuated? > > Possibly > > > > >Perhaps the shift lever is on its spline in slightly different position? > > I would bet my mortgage on that one! > > > > >Or maybe I tightened the crankcase bolts too tight? > > Wouldnt cause the problem, this is not a CX500 where that could be the > > cause. > > > > >I know that I'm grasping at straws here - does anybody have a plausable > > explanation? > > Just working off experience here. Did you mark thre shift lever and shaft > > before removing the lever? Last time I rebuilt my CX I put the lever on > the > > wrong position and could only get 1st and neutral - panic for 2 minutes > then > > find that I was a couple of splines out. > > > > Cheers > > Russ > > www.f-goff.co.uk/mc/pc800links.htm > > City & Guilds Motorcycle Mechanic > > '89 PC800 "Obelix" iPCRC #777 HOC(GB) #17010 > > Landrover Discovery V8 EFi - LPG dual fuel "Binky" > > > > > > > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Russ Goff" To: "Bruce Pickett" , "PC800" Subject: PC800: Have I moved ? and Trade Tricks. Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 08:45:04 -0000 Hi Bruce, great narrative on the oil seal replacement. ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bruce Pickett" To: "PC800" Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 4:31 AM Subject: PC800: Motorcycle Maintenance, Zen or Not snip >It was now time to attempt a repair. Monty Shaw, Canadian master of the PC maintenance database, and Russ Goff, the famous London motorcycle mechanic, provided invaluable information on locating and repairing the leak. Theres another Russ Goff in London? And he's a famous motorcycle mechanic? Wow. I must take a 55 mile ride down the motorway and visit him. Coinsidence eh? Or is it one of those 1 in a million chances that happen 9 times out of 10? Seriously, I live in a place called Milton Keynes which is 55 miles north of London and presently not flooded, unlike a lot of the rest of the UK, some of which has the deepest floods for 400 years, (and yes, we do have records that go that far back). snip >The clutch slave unit was already removed, so the crankcase cover was ready to be easily slipped off ... HA! It wasn't that simple - first off, there was nothing to grab hold of on the cover, and secondly, it was stuck tight. I tried grabbing every tiny little protuberance on the cover and prying until my fingers were sore. It didn't budge a bit. snip. Warning. Trade Trick coming up. scroll down only if you want to see a secret of motorcycle maintenence When a cover or casing sticks like it did in Bruces case above, follow these steps: 1. Make sure the customer cant see into the workshop. 2. Get a rubber / nylon / hide headed hammer. 3.Turn up the radio so that the loud rock music drowns out everthing else. 4. Beat the crap out of the offending part with the soft hammer, moving around the edge. 5. After the stuck part has unstuck, which it will, remove it, turn the radio down, put away the hammer, and show the part, removed and undamaged, to the customer. 6. Charge extra for being a smartarse cheers Russ www.f-goff.co.uk/mc/pc800links.htm City & Guilds Motorcycle Mechanic '89 PC800 "Obelix" iPCRC #777 HOC(GB) #17010 Landrover Discovery V8 EFi - LPG dual fuel "Binky" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Russ Goff" To: "Pacific Coast" Subject: Re: PC800: removing front wheel Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 08:55:26 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Sir Quincy" To: "Pacific Coast" Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 2:51 AM Subject: PC800: removing front wheel > I am getting ready to change the front tyre for the firt time. > > Do I have to remove the speedometer cable? Only the ring where it goes onto the wheel > > Brake calipers? Only one > > Thinking of replacing the brake pads too... is this hard? Not really. Take the pads out before putting the wheel back in, makes life much easier. Dont forget to clean the pistons before pushing them back in. Russ www.f-goff.co.uk/mc/pc800links.htm City & Guilds Motorcycle Mechanic '89 PC800 "Obelix" iPCRC #777 HOC(GB) #17010 Landrover Discovery V8 EFi - LPG dual fuel "Binky" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: ABS / TCS / Fly By wire / Ride by wire Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 11:30:40 +0100 Ah, a subject I'm a specialist at... let's see, where's my flame thrower... ; )) .. very long argumentation coming up... Daryl, you of all people (since you sound like a smart guy) should know that it's not wise to let yourself be lead by mediahypes instead of educating yourself. Fly by wire systems have been around for ages. Practically all airforce fighters as well as Boeings (think antiskid, FADEC, 777) have FBW systems, not just Airbus. ..... okay here goes... First of all a nice quote from NTSB member John Lauber to set the scene: "Comments from a number of periodicals, papers, journals, and other documents show that:--- cockpit automation increases, decreases, and redistributes workload. It enhances situational awareness, takes pilots out of the loop, increases head-down time, frees the pilot to scan more often, reduces training requirements, increases training requirements, makes a pilot's job easier, increases fatigue, changes the role of the pilot, has not changed the role, makes things less expensive, more expensive, is highly reliable, minimises human error, leads to error, changes the nature of human error, tunes out small errors, raises likelihood of gross errors, is desired by pilots, is not trusted, leads to boredom, frees pilot from the mundane, and finally increases air safety and has an adverse affect on safety ----" Pretty cool quote hey ? Okay, now some facts: YES: ABS/TCS/Fly by wire can lead to a false sense of security, stomping on a brake like a brainless rhino could give you less braking distance with ABS compared to braking wisely on a non-ABS vehicle, instead of "pilot error" you have the factor "designer error" sneaking in. NO: A non-ABS equiped vehicle will not stop shorter than an ABS equiped vehicle when stomping on the brake like a brainless rhino (and yes it will make you low or highside on a bike), ABS equiped vehicles being tested by professionals WILL brake shorter on dry and wet pavement (I've got the figures right here) and even on gravel I think survival chances on a bike are bigger when the bike has ABS. Falling down will guarentee a long braking distance up to the point when your bones will be exposed to the asphalt (after which it will probably shorten) and racing cars and bikes don't have ABS purely because it is prohibited. They've tried to sneak a TCS system on a GP car but it got forbidden. Not because of safety, but because it would give an unfair advantage. The "yes" quotes give the disadvantages of an ABS/TCS/FBW system. Now let's consider the pro's: There's no way on earth that even a trained professional can sense that: - he / she is reaching the limits of the brakes quicker then a quick processor, especially not on pavement which has a variable amount of traction, especially not in an emergency - he / she is reaching the maximum amount of G's you can pull on an aircraft, especially not in an emergency - he / she is reaching the maximum angle of climb, especially not in an emergency - he / she has lost traction on the rear wheel when accelerating thru a wet turn, especially not when it comes unexpected, as quickly as a quick processor. Examples: In theory and hindsight (all hypothetical) the AA 757 that crashed in Columbia when smashing into a mountain could perhaps have escaped a crash when the aircraft would have had a similar FBW system as on the new generation Airbusses. In this crash the pilots were alarmed by the GPWS announcing upcoming terrain and wanted to ,of course, rotate as soon as possible to the maximum angle of climb, remain at that maximum angle of climb as long as possible and get maximum power on the engines as quickly as possible. You may not realize it, but all modern jet engines (also on Boeings yes) have FADEC, which is a computerized, "throttle by wire", system. When slamming the throttles forward (in this case like a brainless rhino) will have the computer spool up the engines at the maximum rate possible without stalling the engine or blowing it up in the process in a way that no human could do. A FBW wire system will also enable performance that cannot be matched by a human. In this case one of the 757 pilots (FO I believe) rotated up in a rate that he thought was safest (of course not wanting to break of the elevator in the process) to an angle that he thought and hoped would give best angle of climb. Words being said at the time were "ease it out, ease it out !", realizing that they wanted max performance but not wanting to stall the aircraft or rip it's wings off (maximum G's are very low on big airliners) which would guarentee worst performance. If they wouldn't have forgotten to retract the spoilers they would have just made it over the top of the ridge, but now they slammed onto the ridge and came to a stop on the other side. Now what if it would have had a 757 with a system like on the A3xx's ? They would have been able to slam the joystick backwards, the computer would have initiated an immediate maximum rate of rotation (max +2.5 G's flaps up) towards the maximum angle of climb without the computer "easing it out" and without the wings braking off or the aircraft stalling. The maximum angle of climb and stall speed are variable with weight, balance, weather and other circumstances and can never be determined as precis as a computer. The maximum amount of G's an aircraft can stand have been determined exactly by the manufacturer. A computer in this case would have been able to provide maximum performance towards the maximum limits without exceeding them. Another example: A KLM Cityhopper Saab 340 crashed some years ago while in a single engine go around with tailwind. Allthough the engine wasn't feathered and the circumstance leading up to that point were the most interesting, the events that happened in this go around are most appropriate for this subject. The crew had the rudder trimmed for the single engine approach and they were somehow both not sure of what they were doing. Whatever the cause exactly, they went in the go around giving one engine full throttle but didn't apply any opposite rudder. Of course things happened very fast from that point, but one of the basic reactions should have been to apply full rudder when realizing the plane is yawing. However they did not, they did pull more elevator and rolled against the rotation (both the worst kind of reactions in this case), letting the aircraft stall and crash. An aircraft with a FBW system like on the new Airbusses would have given opposite rudder and would have rissen the nose to the max angle of climb, not exceeding it. This was a professional crew, however they screwed up and unfortunately did not have a backup system like Airbus has available. Another example: recently a midair collision was avoided between an McDonnel Boeing something (MD11 I believe it was) and an Airbus. I don't know specific details, but even theoretically this event will show this system's advantages. I don't know how close they got, but that's not that important. Important is that the Airbus crew was able to slam the sidestick sideways to allow a maximum and immediate rate of roll (15 degrees per second max) which can win some valuable distance away from the traffic. No need to ease things out or to listen for rivets popping out of the wing, just slam the stick anywhere. This is somewhat different than ABS operation, which of course , if made complex enough, could be designed in such a way that slamming the brakes blindly would give the maximum amount of braking available at that moment. Quote: "In "normal law" on the Airbus fly-by-wire types the pilot cannot stall, overstress, overbank, or overspeed the aircraft. Is this, as industry commentators have said, such a bad thing for pilots? The pilot flying an "envelope-protected" aircraft can suddenly apply maximum control at any speed, calling upon the lightning response of computers to fly his machine precisely around the edge of the flight envelope. The pilot can instantly place the aircraft in the optimum and most efficient avoidance maneuver possible. His or her chances of avoiding collision with terrain or other aircraft are far higher than is possible through human manipulative skill alone. The pilot still chooses to act, applies control input; and IS in control. He or she simply utilises the most precise tool available - the computer. A simple collision avoidance maneuver in the Airbus simulator, flown by a non-type qualified pilot, or even a non-pilot, convincingly demonstrates the skill level required: NIL! " "Consistent precision flying "near the edge", rarely practiced by line pilots, is quite beyond the capabilities of most, especially when trying to respond rapidly from low levels of arousal at the end of a long flight. Recent research into CFIT has shown that fly-by-wire envelope protected airliners demonstrate average distance and height recovery factors 1,000ft and 50ft less than conventional non-protected aircraft, representing 5 seconds of recovery time. It is likely that in some CFIT accidents, terrain may have been avoided, if the aircraft involved had fly-by-wire envelope protections (data from the Flight Safety Foundation). " ABS and TCS are backup systems. They are not wonder systems, unlike indeed a lot of uneducated people think. That idea gives a false sense of security which indeed causes extra accidents. Again the system doesn't cause these accidents, the pilots and drivers of these vehicles do. When these untrained and uneducated pilots and drivers would operate non-ABS equiped vehicles in the way that they are operating their ABS equiped vehicles they would however be even worse off. Lots of cardrivers still slam the brakes even without ABS, loosing valuable distance. Do this on a bike and you'll fall, do the same with ABS and you won't. In the hands of a trained and educated pilot an ABS system can be a valuable backup system. Even when you are a highly trained pilot you will not be able to balance against the border of locking up, nobody can. Even a trained pilot will try to keep a safe buffer because he / she knows that crossing the limit can quickly cause a highsider or lowsider. Just look at the races, since you came up with that comparison. Lot's of pilots think they can outbrake another person, to find out that they just crossed the limit a bit too much, causing a violent shake / highsider / lowsider or with a bit of luck (when riding 4 wheels) a lot of burned rubber (and more braking distance so still ending in the gravel). Lot's of pilots crash during a race, fitting ABS / TCS on racing bikes would certainly cause less crashes (since these are professionals, knowing they can't use it as a means for more braking but as a backup) but the game would be a lot less spectacular and if the TCS would be advanced enough it would make it unfair as well since all sprints would be won by the one with the best processor instead of the one with the best skill (/ luck). Here some facts (Promotor Feb '95): Braking on dry road from 80 km/h: *BMW R1100GS with selectable ABS: Solo 28.5 m (8.7 m/s/s) Solo without ABS 30.2 (8.2 m/s/s) 2 pers. 28.5 m (8.7 m/s/s) *Honda ST1100 P.E. with ABS (no DCBS) Solo 29.0 m (8.5 m/s/s) 2 pers. 29.1 m (8.5 m/s/s) Braking on wet road from 80 km/h: *BMW R1100GS with selectable ABS: Solo 29.2 m (8.5 m/s/s) Solo without ABS 35.2 m (7.0 m/s/s) 2 pers. 28.6 m (8.7 m/s/s) *Honda ST1100 P.E. with ABS (no DSCBS) Solo 29.0 m (8.5 m/s/s) 2 pers. 29.7 m (8.3 m/s/s) Other bikes in the test are a K1100RS ABS, GTS1000 ABS and a CBR1000F with DCBS The ABS, like a FBW system, allows the pilot to operate against the performance limits. The ABS can provide a backup if the maximum is exceeded, making it safe to try and get the maximum amount of braking, something which is very risky to attempt without ABS, especially when you need to get the maximum out of them when in an unexpected emergency / panic situation. A disadvantage of automatisation in any form is designer error. A advantage of designer error is that it is often easier to solve than pilot error. Pilots keep screwing up even with the best training. This is equally important in the ABS comparison. No matter how hard you train, it's impossible for a trained pilot to consistently brake "against the limits" the way a computer can. Still, even with ABS the man is still in control of the machine, only utulising a tool that allows THE PILOT to achieve maximum performance with his machine. Digital ignition takes care of your sparks, a thermostat takes care of your overheating engine via a hydraulic cooling system, electronic injection is rapidly taking over the pneumatic carberator systems. These are, like the electronic ABS and TCS systems, automatisations of systems which helps you have a safer, more economic and more comfortable ride. YOU are still in control, as shown by your statement that ABS doesn't decrease accident statistics. Even and especially with ABS, training is what it's all about.With the proper training and (track) experience ABS can be a valuable safety tool. And even trained pilots screw up... and that's why I like ABS, I know that even I can screw up when a deer or so suddenly jumps up in front of me. I know, even with my extensive experience and training (not on the track yet unfortunately) that I, in such a situation will not be able to determine the exact limit of braking, which keeps changing depending on pavement, tires, weight and balance, weather, slope, brakes condition and my own emotional state. I recognise that I am human and that I can make mistakes and cannot determine precisely, the way ABS can, that my wheels are about to lock up. Nobody can do that as good as a computer, that is a fact. The brain is just not complex and fast enough for that. And in the case that ABS does interfere temporarily during my emergency braking I know that it's costs have already paid for itself. Recently a UK motorcycle instructor / demonstrator and ABS Pan European rider (ST1100) on the PanEuro list wanted to test braking distances with and without ABS. His results showed that even he, a very experienced guy (he rides a Hayabusa also) can't determine the exact limits: >> " Thought I'd put my money where my mouth is this morning and went out along a local nice straight lane with a mate and three traffic cones. Method - got the bike to 60mph - at the first cone I pulled the clutch and hit the brakes. Plan was to hit the brakes as hard as possible to try and lock the wheels on the first run. Failed and the wheels didn't lock, the ABS did not come into play :-( Second attempt braked hard as a hrad thing and the ABS started pulsing.... Marked the distance. Third attempt was to brake as hard as possible without the ABC coming into play. Failed and the ABS came into play and I stopped about 6 feet past the first cone............. " >> I hope you picked something up from this rant, you might want to read the following documents for even more information about FBW: http://www.crm-devel.org/resources/paper/bent.htm http://bluecoat.eurocontrol.fr/reports/Rogers_99_CFIT_FBW.pdf And if you want to discuss more flight safety issues I welcome you to the flight safety mailing list. If you'd like to be subscribed to that let me know and I'll subscribe you which is easy for me since I'm the co-moderator. Looking forward to your reaction, Emile www.piloot.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Daryl Tschoepe" Of course their are those of us that oppose ABS and TCS on motorcycles. Many, many magazine articles can be found to prove that someone who knows how to brake can stop quicker than a mouth breather stomping blindly on the ABS pedal. This is on dry pavement. Besides, it cheats Darwinian theory. Also, insurance statistics in the US prove that as "safety features" are added, bad habits and skill deteriorates, ala air bags and ABS on automobiles Emile of all folks should know the Airbus story. My sentiments exactly. Especially on a motorcycle, where the appeal is the elemental mastery of the machine, versus subordinating man to machine. If ABS and TCS worked, they'd be on race bikes. They aren't. Take the $1000.00 and go to track school and learn skills, that transfer to any motorcycle. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 08:08:38 -0500 Subject: Re(2): PC800: Inseam To: russ@f-goff.co.uk Cc: bpickett@qwest.net, w.kaufmann@aon.at, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: yankeesmuggler@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) <3A04BA92.CAA55E11@aon.at> <001501c046cf$d6299d80$2a00a8c0@nt> <001c01c04700$eff421a0$f92cf7c2@nobby98> russ@f-goff.co.uk writes: >In real ENGLISH, as in spoken by English people (and most Wesh and Scots and >Irish as well) the inseam (American English) is known as the inside leg >measurement. I had never heard the term inseam until I came on this group, >and only understood what it was because of the context. >cheers >Russ >www.f-goff.co.uk/mc/pc800links.htm >City & Guilds Motorcycle Mechanic >'89 PC800 "Obelix" iPCRC #777 HOC(GB) #17010 >Landrover Discovery V8 EFi - LPG dual fuel "Binky" We Americans like to condense multiple words into single words if possible because in the time it takes people speaking other languages to say the same thing we can be out riding our motorcycles:-) Tim Davies Seneca Falls, New York 13148 '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by qmail3.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 5 Nov 2000 13:32:26 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 14:32:41 +0100 From: Wolfgang Kaufmann To: PC800 Subject: PC800: What a great list !....was "inseam" >BTW, is anyone of the listers able to translate to German or to describe in other words the word "inseam" ? < WOW ! I got SEVEN replies within a few hours, thanks to all of you ! I`m on the list since August 2000 and have learned so much from you, concerning the PC and also riding in general, about riding gear (I ordered a kevlar-jeans and jacket from Brosh-Tex due to your recommendation) , motorcycle maintenance, accessories ( I`m thinking about a Clearview +3 for my body length of 183 cm and inseam of 32" and using the stock seat - would this fit to me ? - and I`m also thinking about a Corbin seat, Vista Cruise Control, trunk light, a radio controlled LCD clock, a voltmeter,.....). Oh, yes, a set of "Tupperware" decals is already on the body of my "Mazda Baby" :-)) Did anyone previously integrate a LCD-clock or a LCD voltmeter into the meter assembly (perhaps into the tachometer or rpm-meter or instead of one of the warning lights) ? If this is possible, I think the look would be much more professional than to mount it somewhere on the meter panel. As my `96 PC (my second PC) has all the Tupperware off at the moment, I think this will be a good time to add some accessories. Any suggestions about accessories that should be added now or about maintenance that should be done now ( not air filter or spark plugs, because there are only 6,5k miles on the odometer ) ? A few words about maintenance done on my `90 Mazda Baby since `92 : I change oil only once a year and the oil filter every two years because of my low average mileage of about 7.000 a year and my conservative (means: mostly at about 50-60 mph, on highways 70-80 mph) way to ride. I changed the air filter and spark plugs at about 34.000 and at 50.000 miles. I changed the brake pads at 40.000 miles and at 50.000 miles I changed all the fluids (brake/clutch/cooling) and the seals from the front fork. The battery was changed at 16.000 miles in 1994, and it still works great! The speedometer cable and the bearings of the front wheel were replaced at 57.000 miles and the oil of the final drive was first changed at 60.000 miles. At 60.000 miles the brake panel was coated because the original coating went off. Most maintenance was done by myself, except changing the bearings from the front wheel and the seals from the front fork. I`ve ordered a microfiche with all the spare part numbers and although I got an old microfiche reader for free from our local bank I would like to have the microfiche copied to a CD-ROM. I asked our local photolab but they told me that it is impossible to scan a microfiche. And they are not able to make a copy of the microfiche too. ( because I wanted to try to cut the copy into pieces that would fit into my filmscanner and try to scan it by myself, but probably the resolution of the filmscanner would not be high enough !) Any suggestions how to get the microfiche on CD-ROM ? Thanks in advance! Wolfgang Kaufmann `90 Mazda Baby, 60k `96 6,5k, (still damaged) PCOR # 634 http://www.members.aon.at/mtc81/pc800.htm -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 05:43:27 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Clay Leihy" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: ABS / TCS / Fly By wire / Ride by wire Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 08:21:51 -0500 Okay Emile, you've explained how ABS can be a good thing. The trouble is, in my opinion, that manufacturers, looking at the bottom line, are not going to make these systems as good as they ought to be. As an example, my office has several cargo vans which are used on a daily basis, most often by me. Right now, we have a 94 Chevy and two 98 Dodges, all with ABS. The only time I've even noticed it is when it kicks in when I don't want it to. Routes 206 and 130 in southern NJ have a lot of ridges running across the pavement, originally seams, which were pushed upward by frost heave and heavy truck traffic. So I'm heading toward a red light, step on the brakes, and the tires hit one of these ridges. Suddenly, for a second or two, no brakes! (In the Chevy, this is accompanied by a frightening ratcheting sound.) This also happens when hitting a small patch of sand while braking. It's as if the ABS overcompensates for the slightest disturbance. Anyway, some of you may like to have every safety device you can get, but I draw the line at the ones that take control away from me. In a fighter jet, there are so many things going on so quickly, I can see where you could use some help. In fact, I've read that some of those planes couldn't stay in the air without the help of computerized systems. But, on a bike or in a car, I can handle it all myself, thank you. Powersliding is a lot easier if you can lock the brakes, and "hanging out" the rear would probably be pretty tough with TCS. (Of course, I also prefer manual transmission and steering.) So, I think we should continue to have ABS, TCS, etc, available as options, for the same reason that we can choose from a sport-tourer, cruiser, tourer, race-bike, etc. (And please, no camparison to helmets or seatbelts, for those are passive systems, and do not actively alter or interfere with control of the vehicle.) Happy Riding, Clay Leihy 89 "Lickity-Split" Burlington, NJ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 10:13:00 -0400 To: "Sir Quincy" , "Pacific Coast" From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: removing front wheel Sir Quincy: >Do I have to remove the speedometer cable? No. >Brake calipers? You have to remove the right hand one. The left hand one has the anti-dive gizmo and is nasty to R&R. A jack is handy to lift the front of the bike up. I remove the two front screws, and loosen the two back, on the fender so it can move instead of stressing when you're fussing with the wheel. >Thinking of replacing the brake pads too... is this hard? Very easy. However, in inclement climates and driving (all through the winter in salted-road Nova Scotia) you should push out a bit and clean the exposed piston before pushing them back into the caliper, or they may stick later, and this is a bit of a fuss. -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: "Sheila A. Coneybeer" , Subject: Re: PC800: Color Thread: Whooooooo Hooooo! Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 06:37:40 -0800 This would be the Scarlett of Mike K? She was in my thoughts all day yesterday as I worked to put Secondo's name on his license plate frame, just like Scarlett has hers. And yes, sinuous in the curves, she's all that and more. Lee Barker 95 "Secondo con Brio" ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Sheila A. Coneybeer" To: Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 7:54 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Color Thread: Whooooooo Hooooo! > Gentlemen, > > I am a romantic and I often feel like our (1990) Scarlett O'Honda does a > sensuous, sinuous tango through the curves. Bill, you have the right > lyrics. > > Sheila > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:28 PM > Subject: Re: PC800: Color Thread: Whooooooo Hooooo! > > > > Bruce, I was thinking about the one that goes: "Lady in Red, dancing close > to > > me, cheek to cheek". Must be the hopeless romantic in me.... > > Sheila, which one? > > > > Bill Richardson > > 98PC"Scoot" > > San Antonio > > iPCRC #906 HRCA #001137 > > > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Will Edwards" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: PC Running lights... Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 07:32:01 -0800 Please post the pictures. Will Edwards rstar@aa.net http://www.crosswinds.net/~cyclewill/bike.html Washington State 96 Honda PC800 Focus your eyes to where you want to be, Not to where you are afraid of falling to.... . -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaMotorbike@aol.com >I have just finished the first prototype of a set of runing lights in the >FRONT reflectors on a CN250 which will also go straight over to the PC as >well. >I am working on the front yellow and rear red reflectors. I am doing this >for ME but if i get enough interest then i will think about making it more >available to others..... > >If enough people responed (in anyway) then i will post a few pictures of the >prototypes on the MSN PC800 website.... -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Will Edwards" To: "Bruce Pickett" , Subject: Re: PC800: Viscosity & service classification Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 07:43:10 -0800 I use the Mobile One 15-50 because Mobile One does not come in a 10-40 weight. As far as the SJ rating goes, I bet when the PC was being sold as new the new SJ rating was not out yet, so the highest rating would be the SF. I looked at a can of Yamaha 10-40 oil I had and it has the SJ rating, so not sure what to think about the pro's and con's of the rating. I just keep on using Mobile One, as I have done for the last couple of bikes and cars. AS far as clutch slipping, I had used Mobile One in a Kawasaki KZ1300 with sidecar & trailer attached and experience no clutch problems. Will Edwards rstar@aa.net http://www.crosswinds.net/~cyclewill/bike.html Washington State 96 Honda PC800 Focus your eyes to where you want to be, Not to where you are afraid of falling to.... . -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bruce Pickett To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Saturday, November 04, 2000 2:36 PM Subject: PC800: Viscosity & service classification >Sorry, I slipped on an oil thread. But now that I've blackened my hands on >it, I have some questions. > >I have noted that when people talk about synthetic, they use 15W-50. The >owner's manual recommends 10W-40 oil, so why the difference in viscosity? Is >it temperature related or something else? The chart in the owner's manual >shows that 20W oils are recommended for average temperatures above 32 °F (0 >°C), and 10W oils are recommended down to average temps of about 5 °F (-15 >°C). There are no listings for 15W oils. > >While on the topic of oil, the owner's manual also recommends using oil >with Service Classification SE or SF. I just noticed that the 10W-40 >Pennzoil that I use is classified SJ. Is the oil's service classification a >major consideration? > >Bruce Pickett >Federal Way, WA >'89 PC800 "Blue Pacific" >http://www.users.uswest.net/~bpickett/Blue.html > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 1:42 PM >Subject: Re: PC800: Shiftless in Seattle > > >> >> > >> > ---------- >> > From: Thfwsf@aol.com[SMTP:THFWSF@AOL.COM] >> > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 1:42:32 PM >> > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >> > Subject: Re: PC800: Shiftless in Seattle >> > >> When I got my '89 I had a buggar of a time trying to get it into neutral >> when I was stopped. It was a major pain in the @$$, especially when the >bike >> was nice and warm. However, I switched the oil to a synthentic oil at the >> next oil change and it hasn't been a problem since (in danger of starting >an >> oil thread, I changed the oil to Mobil 15W50 from the stock Honda stuff >the >> previous owner said they used). Overall I find the PC shifts better >> too. >> >> Of course, FWIW and YMMV, >> >> Tom Fraser >> Manassas, VA >> '89 PC800 "Singer" >> iPCRC #1001 >> >> In a message dated 11/4/00 3:53:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, >> revill.dunn@legerity.com writes: >> >> > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 10:49:26 -0500 (EST) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Viscosity & service classification "Bruce Pickett" writes: > I have noted that when people talk about synthetic, they use 15W-50. > The owner's manual recommends 10W-40 oil, so why the difference in > viscosity? Is it temperature related or something else? The chart > in the owner's manual shows that 20W oils are recommended for average > temperatures above 32 oF (0 oC), and 10W oils are recommended down > to average temps of about 5 oF (-15 oC). There are no listings for > 15W oils. > > While on the topic of oil, the owner's manual also recommends using > oil with Service Classification SE or SF. I just noticed that the > 10W-40 Pennzoil that I use is classified SJ. Is the oil's service > classification a > major consideration? If I remember right, 15W-50 is the heaviest grade of generic Mobil-1 that one normally finds at an auto parts store. I suspect that the "motorcycle-specific" bottles of Mobil-1 are available in 20 weight, but, as the recent MCN series on oils demonstrated, their formulation is nearly identical to the generic Mobil-1, and it's hard to argue for the extra cost -- especially on an engine that is stressed as little as a PC. My guess is that there were no 15W oils on the market in 1989. Re service classifications, the information in the owner's manual probably dates from when the PC was introduced, and SF was likely the top classification in 1989. The main reason for avoiding 10W-40 and thinner oils is that the manufacturers use lower levels of zinc in these oils to reduce their impact on catalytic converters. So far at least, the 15W-50 and higher oils have not seen similar reductions. ====================================================================== Selden Deemer Atlanta, Georgia EMAIL: libssd@emory.edu ====================================================================== -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 11:07:16 -0500 (EST) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: Viscosity & service classification HondaMotorbike@aol.com writes: > I ONLY ever use natrual oil and NEVER synthetic, they dont mix so > changin halfway through isnt a good idea. Synthetic is harder oil > than natrual and only high pormance cars use it (like Ferrari). > > Maganatec oil is great as it "sticks" (like the name suggests) to > metel to stop the engine startin with dry parts. > > Also makes the engine VERY quite as stays thick and insulates the noise > from the metal At the risk of offending (wouldn't be the first time) the above comments are total hogwash. Read the recent 3-part series on motor oils published in Motorcycle Consumer News. Ed Hackett's "Oil FAQ" was the starting point for the MCN series: http://www.vtr.org/maintain/oil-overview.html See also Jeffrey DiCarlo's "Oil Report" from the IBMWR web site tech pages: http://www.ibmwr.org/otech/oilreport.html The Interactive Motorcycle webzine ( http://www.activebike.com/ ) published an excellent article "Between the Gears," a couple of years ago (but their web server isn't responding this morning). ====================================================================== Selden Deemer Atlanta, Georgia EMAIL: libssd@emory.edu ====================================================================== -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 08:20:37 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Sheila A. Coneybeer" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Color Thread: Whooooooo Hooooo! Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 09:19:38 -0700 Hi Lee!! Yes, she's the Scarlett of Mike K. He rides her, but I named her. Even our Intruder has a custom plate frame, Suzi Shortstuff because she's so low to the ground, just like me. Sheila A. Coneybeer Phoenix, AZ Suzi Shortstuff - '96 Suzuki Intruder 800 - Still Learning Scarlett O'Honda - '90 Honda PC800 - Passenger Only ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: "Sheila A. Coneybeer" ; Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 7:37 AM Subject: Re: PC800: Color Thread: Whooooooo Hooooo! > This would be the Scarlett of Mike K? > > She was in my thoughts all day yesterday as I worked to put Secondo's name > on his license plate frame, just like Scarlett has hers. > > And yes, sinuous in the curves, she's all that and more. > > Lee Barker > 95 "Secondo con Brio" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sheila A. Coneybeer" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 7:54 PM > Subject: Re: PC800: Color Thread: Whooooooo Hooooo! > > > > Gentlemen, > > > > I am a romantic and I often feel like our (1990) Scarlett O'Honda does a > > sensuous, sinuous tango through the curves. Bill, you have the right > > lyrics. > > > > Sheila > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: ; > > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:28 PM > > Subject: Re: PC800: Color Thread: Whooooooo Hooooo! > > > > > > > Bruce, I was thinking about the one that goes: "Lady in Red, dancing > close > > to > > > me, cheek to cheek". Must be the hopeless romantic in me.... > > > Sheila, which one? > > > > > > Bill Richardson > > > 98PC"Scoot" > > > San Antonio > > > iPCRC #906 HRCA #001137 > > > > > > -- > > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > > > > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sun, 5 Nov 2000 08:28:20 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "jdcpc" To: "PC 800 List" Cc: "Pacific Coast Y2K List" Subject: PC800: Front Wheel/Honda of Milpitas Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 08:25:01 -0800 Hello all, It turns out that Red Rolls does need a front wheel. It has a crack in = it on the inside next to a spoke. 1. Are all year PC wheels interchangeable? If Crystal (where IS she = from?) has one on her '89 would it fit my '96? 2. Also need the bolts that hold the rotor (rotor is fine), and = bearings and seals. Another good experience regarding Honda of Milpitas. Ordered parts on a = Sunday afternoon through 800 number. Received on following Thursday, = UPS ground. 15% discount, professional and friendly people, order = received correct, charge card properly handled. These people know how = to do it! I'll post this to the parts list also. That's a great thing, that parts = list, huh? Thanks guys! Joyce Sonoma County, Ca '96 Red Rolls handled. =20 These people know how to do it!
 
I'll post this to the parts list = also.  That's=20 a great thing, that parts list, huh?  Thanks guys!
 
Joyce
Sonoma County, Ca
'96 Red Rolls
 
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 10:43:06 -0600 Subject: Re: PC800: ABS / TCS / Fly By wire / Ride by wire From: Daryl Tschoepe To: PC800 Wow! I could feel almost feel my IQ dropping as I read...I hate discussing things on which I know just enough to be dangerous with content experts... In my defense, I did say I wanted it "optional", not banned, or unavailable. If you want it, you buy it. But if I desire a particular model of motorcycle, I don't think I should have to spend an extra $1000USD on an option I don't want. Motorcycling is my respite away from CPUs, not an extension of it. If others feel differently, so be it. They should have the option. I should have the option of taking that $1000 and going to track school. I got a rented Pontiac Sunbird stuck in a sandy parking lot on Kuaui not that long ago. (Never, never listen to your wife when she says lets park there, where nobody else is...) It wasn't going anywhere. Imagine my surprise when the local road crew stopped by, one of the guys jumped in, turned off the TCS (I didn't know it had it), floored the gas and drove it on to the road via two roostertails of beach sand. They saw it happen all the time. Besides, how could you burn down the last of your tire with TCS? Hmm, automatic transmissions, airbags, extra stabilizing wheel, oh, it's an Accord! So, choice, please. (End PC content, now I venture into an arena in which I'm totally out-knowledged, by I go fearlessly anyway. First rule of U.S. media - Never let a lack of knowledge on an issue stop you from being an expert, keeps you from confusing the issue with the facts) First, I think you misunderstood my fear of the A320... Anyway, I know "fly by wire" and cockpit automation is a good thing, and know that probably the DC-3 or a B17 were the last aircraft where pilots pushed and pulled big greasy cables to move things. No problem there. I draw the line at the computer overriding the pilot. I trust humans more than programmers. I think it's dicey when AA accountants have the "full-throttle" option taken away because fuel costs are up, especially when I fly (in the back with the rest of the cattle) on AA and most planes on my routes are 90+% full. The part of the Airbus incident that bothered me was that as the pilot tried to feed throttle and pull up, the CPU said, no, I want to finish landing, so you can't do that. As I understand it. (I halfway expect you to give me a URL with a 374 page report on the incident proving I'm wrong here) Now, a system that let's the pilot jerk the yoke back while the computer decides, no, let's not rip the wings off and ease into this climb, is probably a good thing. Okay, but that's not the CPU overriding the pilot, it's more the CPU keeping input within design parameters. I'm know I'm splitting hairs, but it is a fine point. It's also a simple enough feedback loop that I believe someone can write adequate code for the task. That's the key, writing simple code. Working for the company that produces the world's second most prolific OS, I know more than my fair share of code jockeys. I don't believe they know more than the pilot when it comes to flying aircraft in extreme situations. I do believe they can write feedback loops, ie you're calling for 9G, the wings fall off at 2, so we'll attenuate input to keep things at 1.99G. That's a doable task, so I will allow it when I'm elected UN King of All (a great day for motorcyclists I can assure you, and I'm asking for your vote well in advance.) Case in point. On the 19th of July in 1989 a United Airlines Flight Number 232, a DC-10 headed to Sioux City, Iowa, USA suffered an uncontained failure with the no.2 engine. Shrapnel from the engine damaged all three main hydraulic lines in the tail, causing a total loss of hydraulics aboard the aircraft. Using engine thrust, Captain Al Haynes, First Officer William Records, and dead-heading Captain Dennis Fitch successfully crash-landed the airplane on runway 22 at the Sioux City Gateway Airport. Subsequent simulator tests showed that other DC-10 crews were unable to repeat the effort of the crew of 232. Investigators concluded that, in it's damaged condition, it was not possible to land the aircraft on a runway. What they did was impossible within known parameters. Going outside the known, 185 passengers and the flight crew survived. My guess is there were no atheists on the flight deck that day, and the simulator pilots probably didn't have as much at stake as that flight crew. What programmer could assist there, and in between handfuls of cheesy poofs, what routine would they write that would have helped? One that prohibits full throttle on one engine while throttling back another at a given airspeed, wheels up, since you'd never need to do that? One that as a safety measure insured engine shutdown when hydraulic pressure reached zero - both would probably seem like a good idea in the cubicle back at E systems. So feedback loops good, turning over the flight to code jockeys who believe the Matrix is possible, bad. Since the chances of my turning up as VP of Engineering at any aircraft manufacturer is nil, you're safe from my opinions anyway. I'm just going to hope my pilot gets on the right dang runway Monday morning... And my own irrational personal gray matter CPU will make me much happier if I'm on a Boeing instead of an MD-80. Later, Daryl It's possible that on 11/5/00 4:30 AM, Emile Nossin at E.M.Nossin@quicknet.nl hurled this into the void... > Ah, a subject I'm a specialist at... let's see, where's my flame > thrower... ; )) .. very long argumentation coming up... > > Daryl, you of all people (since you sound like a smart guy) should > know that it's not wise to let yourself be lead by mediahypes > instead of educating yourself. Fly by wire systems have been > around for ages. Practically all airforce fighters as well as Boeings > (think antiskid, FADEC, 777) have FBW systems, not just Airbus. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Delivered-To: fixup-pc800@hpc.uh.edu@fixme by sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2000 17:27:55 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bruce Pickett" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Inseam Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 09:27:48 -0800 Emile, Binnenzoom? THAT's why you go so fast! You've got a really long binnenZOOM! :-) Bruce Pickett Federal Way, WA '89 PC800 "Blue Pacific" http://www.users.qwest.net/~bpickett/Blue.html ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 11:11 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Inseam > ---------- > From: Emile Nossin[SMTP:E.M.NOSSIN@QUICKNET.NL] > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 11:11:06 PM > To: PC800 > Subject: Re: PC800: Inseam Translations for: inseam Deutsch (German): innere Naht eines Kleidungsstücks od. Schuhs Français (French): longueur de pantalon à partir de l'entrejambe Español (Spanish): medida de (pernera) Italiano (Italian): cucitura interna Nederlands (Dutch): binnenzoom I love this gurunet program... www.gurunet.com Just hold the Alt key, click on Inseam or any other word and voila a translation / explanation / map / definition / history... Emile ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bruce Pickett" To: ; "PC800" Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 3:26 AM Subject: PC800: Inseam Wolfgang, Sorry, I can't give you a German/Austrian translation, but I can tell you what it means in English. "Inseam" is the measurement for the length of a pair of pants, measured from the crotch to the bottom of a pant leg. You could think of it as the "INside SEAM" of the pants. Since everybody is built differently, a given type/size of windscreen will work differently for different people. For instance, I am 6' 3" (190 cm) tall and have a 34" (86 cm) inseam; this tells you that roughly 40-45% of my height is from my legs. I look over the top of my Clearview +5 windscreen, but someone with different body proportions might look through the windscreen instead. Bruce Pickett Federal Way, WA '89 PC800 "Blue Pacific" http://www.users.qwest.net/~bpickett/Blue.html ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Wolfgang Kaufmann" To: "PC800" Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 5:40 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Motorcycle Maintenance, Zen or Not > > > > ---------- > > From: Wolfgang Kaufmann[SMTP:W.KAUFMANN@AON.AT] > > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 5:40:34 PM > > To: PC800 > > Subject: Re: PC800: Motorcycle Maintenance, Zen or Not > > Auto forwarded by a Rule > > > Hi Bruce, > > thank you for writing the story of replacing the oil seal of your PC in such a > humorous way. > > I really enjoyed it (especially the caution note!) and read it like a good book! > > (I also had to use my online dictionary only a few times!) > > Hope that you have fixed your problem of oil leakage! > > BTW, is anyone of the listers able to translate to German or to describe in > other words the word "inseam" ? > It is often used in connection to find out the correct length of a > Clearview-windshield, and I cannot find it in my dictionary. > Thanks in advance! > > Wolfgang Kaufmann > `90 Mazda Baby, 60k > `96 6,5k, (still damaged) > PCOR # 634 > http://www.members.aon.at/mtc81/pc800.htm > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Delivered-To: fixup-pc800@hpc.uh.edu@fixme by sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2000 18:05:41 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bruce Pickett" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: Re: Have I moved ? and Trade Tricks. Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 10:05:34 -0800 Russ, I shall endeavor to keep that straight in the future; however, from a distance of 4800 miles, the deviation in bearing is inconsequential. For what its worth, I'm not in Seattle either, just in close proximity. Thanks for the trade trick - I won't divulge it to the ignorant masses. Bruce Pickett Federal Way, WA '89 PC800 "Blue Pacific" http://www.users.qwest.net/~bpickett/Blue.html ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Russ Goff" To: "Bruce Pickett" ; "PC800" Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 12:45 AM Subject: Have I moved ? and Trade Tricks. > Hi Bruce, great narrative on the oil seal replacement. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bruce Pickett" > To: "PC800" > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 4:31 AM > Subject: PC800: Motorcycle Maintenance, Zen or Not > snip > >It was now time to > attempt a repair. Monty Shaw, Canadian master of the PC maintenance > database, and Russ Goff, the famous London motorcycle mechanic, provided > invaluable information on locating and repairing the leak. > > Theres another Russ Goff in London? And he's a famous motorcycle mechanic? > Wow. > I must take a 55 mile ride down the motorway and visit him. > Coinsidence eh? Or is it one of those 1 in a million chances that happen 9 > times out of 10? > Seriously, I live in a place called Milton Keynes which is 55 miles north of > London and presently not flooded, unlike a lot of the rest of the UK, some > of which has the deepest floods for 400 years, (and yes, we do have records > that go that far back). > > snip > >The clutch slave unit was already removed, so the crankcase cover was ready > to be easily slipped off ... HA! It wasn't that simple - first off, there > was nothing to grab hold of on the cover, and secondly, it was stuck tight. > I tried grabbing every tiny little protuberance on the cover and prying > until my fingers were sore. It didn't budge a bit. > > snip. > > Warning. Trade Trick coming up. > scroll down only if you want to see a secret of motorcycle maintenence > > > > > > > > > > > > When a cover or casing sticks like it did in Bruces case above, follow these > steps: > 1. Make sure the customer cant see into the workshop. > 2. Get a rubber / nylon / hide headed hammer. > 3.Turn up the radio so that the loud rock music drowns out everthing else. > 4. Beat the crap out of the offending part with the soft hammer, moving > around the edge. > 5. After the stuck part has unstuck, which it will, remove it, turn the > radio down, put away the hammer, and show the part, removed and undamaged, > to the customer. > 6. Charge extra for being a smartarse > > > cheers > Russ > www.f-goff.co.uk/mc/pc800links.htm > City & Guilds Motorcycle Mechanic > '89 PC800 "Obelix" iPCRC #777 HOC(GB) #17010 > Landrover Discovery V8 EFi - LPG dual fuel "Binky" > > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Delivered-To: fixup-pc800@hpc.uh.edu@fixme by sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2000 18:18:46 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bruce Pickett" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Inseam Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 10:18:39 -0800 Russ, Where to the "Wesh" live? Or is that the TRUE ENGLISH spelling? ;-) Bruce Pickett Federal Way, WA, FET* '89 PC800 "Blue Pacific" http://www.users.qwest.net/~bpickett/Blue.html *Former English Territories ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Russ Goff" To: "Bruce Pickett" ; ; "PC800" Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 12:18 AM Subject: Re: PC800: Inseam > In real ENGLISH, as in spoken by English people (and most Wesh and Scots and > Irish as well) the inseam (American English) is known as the inside leg > measurement. I had never heard the term inseam until I came on this group, > and only understood what it was because of the context. > cheers > Russ > www.f-goff.co.uk/mc/pc800links.htm > City & Guilds Motorcycle Mechanic > '89 PC800 "Obelix" iPCRC #777 HOC(GB) #17010 > Landrover Discovery V8 EFi - LPG dual fuel "Binky" > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: montyshaw@spamcop.net by server03.gw.total-web.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2000 19:59:02 -0000 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Shiftless in Seattle Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 14:53:31 -0500 Hi Bruce, I suspect the clutch. Does it push easy in gear with the clutch in? Make sure the clutch slave cylinder is tight to the cover and not bound crooked on the 3 bolts. Mine kept wanting to do that. If it was a millimeter too high the clutch might not fully release. Also double check the clutch hydraulic fluid. My slave cylinder leaked a little if I didn't keep it wired up while I was getting the cover off. Make sure the oil level in the engine is where is should be. I had to put a little new oil back in when I replaced my seal. That's about all I can think of that might affect the transmission. The only thing you touched to put the new seal in was the clutch slave cylinder. ]Monty[ 89 Sailor Moon -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Russ Goff" To: "Bruce Pickett" , "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Inseam Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 20:26:46 -0000 Its as close as an english writer can get to those funny welsh names. LLangollen, Pwhelli, Abertawe etc ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bruce Pickett" To: "PC800" Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 6:18 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Inseam > Russ, > > Where to the "Wesh" live? Or is that the TRUE ENGLISH spelling? ;-) I dont know Bruce where to the Welsh live? > Bruce Pickett > Federal Way, WA, FET* > '89 PC800 "Blue Pacific" > http://www.users.qwest.net/~bpickett/Blue.html > > *Former English Territories > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Russ Goff" > To: "Bruce Pickett" ; ; "PC800" > > Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 12:18 AM > Subject: Re: PC800: Inseam > > > > In real ENGLISH, as in spoken by English people (and most Wesh and Scots > and > > Irish as well) the inseam (American English) is known as the inside leg > > measurement. I had never heard the term inseam until I came on this group, > > and only understood what it was because of the context. > > cheers > > Russ > > www.f-goff.co.uk/mc/pc800links.htm > > City & Guilds Motorcycle Mechanic > > '89 PC800 "Obelix" iPCRC #777 HOC(GB) #17010 > > Landrover Discovery V8 EFi - LPG dual fuel "Binky" > > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP Sun, 5 Nov 2000 14:16:01 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ralph Couey" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: Viscosity & service classification Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 23:16:03 -0600 In fact, synth and dino DO mix. Castrol makes a synth-dino blend called syntech. I don't understand the term "harder" but what chemical engineers say and according to the excellent series of articles recently published in Motorcycle consumer news, the value in synthetic is that it resists viscosity breakdown better than dino oil across a wider range of engine operating temperatures. As far as the long-term effects on the engines, I would refer you to the repair and maintenance data base where you will find histories of PC's which have gone over 200,000 miles using all synthetic oil without any engine damage or wear whatsoever. MCN also seemed to conclude that Mobil 1 15W-50 car oil was just as effective as the Mobil 1 V-twin oil, and for $2 less per quart. Ralph Couey Columbia, MO '95 PC800 "Seishin No Yomichi" "A life lived without risk is no life at all." ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 4:45 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Viscosity & service classification > From the top of my head (i would need to research this) the 10-40W item thing > is at what temt the oil brakes down at, i usa CASTROL GTX MAGANATEC in ALL my > bikes and cars (Honda CN250 and a sports 24 valve engine). > > I ONLY ever use natrual oil and NEVER synthetic, they dont mix so changin > halfway through isnt a good idea. Synthetic is harder oil than natrual and > only high pormance cars use it (like Ferrari). > > Maganatec oil is great as it "sticks" (like the name suggests) to metel to > stop the engine startin with dry parts. > > Also makes the engine VERY quite as stays thick and insulates the noise from > the metal > > Laters > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "Bruce Pickett" cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: PC800: Re: Viscosity & service classification of "Sat, 04 Nov 2000 19:02:00 PST." <004f01c046d4$c4e7a3a0$2a00a8c0@nt> Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 16:24:51 -0600 "Bruce Pickett" writes: > David, > = > Thank you for the info on oil. > = > So if there were a potential for freezing, would you switch to 10W-30? > = > Here in the Seattle area, we may get temperatures below freezing on a > handful of days, but usually its no less than 35-40 =B0F in the winter.= Blue > is kept in the garage, and if there's ice out there, she and I aren't g= oing > out. I guess that if I couldn't get 10W-40, then the 15W-50 would proba= bly > do. I haven't looked lately to see where most engine manufactures quit = permitting 15W-50 and expect lighter oil. Remember its the 15 you are = looking at cold, not the 50. So the difference between 10W-40 and = 15W-50 is 5, not 10. 23 years ago when I was flying, we used straight 50 weight. More than once it was about 10 degrees F out and the Bell 47 helicopter needed a quart of oil. If I didn't have a pre-warmed can of oil I cut the top out of a cold one and used a stick to shovel it out like molasses. Was always concerned about what was happening when the engine started. Then again the manual stated we didn't fly until the engine had been up to speed and "normal" for 4 minutes. Once the engine is up to temperature most any viscosity oil is probably = Good Enough. The concern is cold starts. As for myself, I don't ride = very often below 40F anymore. If I was really going to sweat the viscosity numbers I believe there is a 10W-40 Mobil-1 motorcycle blend. Or I might cut (2) 15W-50's with (1) 5W-30. This summer after having run 15W-50 Mobil-1 in my PC the past 5k miles and having heard all the hoopla about SJ oils, used some 8 year old 10W-40 Valvolene I happened to have. Rode it that way to the Honda Hoot. Rode it enough that 1) consistently observed better gas milage, and 2) the 1-2 shift sucked. Shifting is more important than 3 MPG. Will be = quite a while before I experiment with oil again. MPG reminds me of a project I've intended the past couple of years but = have been putting off. I record every gas purchase, oil change, tire = rotation, and most other things performed on my vehicles. Sometimes = even record when I check tire pressures. Have been meaning to post = these on my web site. Played with a home page about 3 or 4 years ago = and haven't done anything to it since. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JACKKPTS@aol.com Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 18:07:12 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Viscosity & service classification To: libssd@emory.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu I read two of these articles. The DiCarlo article was very interesting. Based on the info, it appears as if the Mobile 1 auto oil 15W-50 is a very good mix of price and performance. Am I missing anything here??? Also, my PC has honda regular oil and its time for a change. Is there anything special I should do if I want to switch to Mobile 1? I have only 14K miles on my '90 PC. Since I only ride about 3K miles a year, can I go 2 years between oil changes? I think I'll also use Mobile synthetic in the final drive as well. Thanks!! Jack Kamoske Cool Runnings, '90 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 18:29:54 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Viscosity & service classification To: JACKKPTS@aol.com, libssd@emory.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 11/5/00 3:08:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, JACKKPTS@aol.com writes: << I have only 14K miles on my '90 PC. Since I only ride about 3K miles a year, can I go 2 years between oil changes? I think I'll also use Mobile synthetic in the final drive as well. >> Hi Jack (better not say that on an airplane, huh? Well, you COULD, but you shouldn't. Your oil really should be changed at least twice a year no matter what. Even if you filled it up with fresh oil and put the bike away for the winter, it should be changed again at the start of the riding season. The reason for this is the nasty condensation that gets in your oil when you bike sits for a period of time. I am not a petroleum engineer but it make sense to me. Moby 1 oil in 15w- 50 seems to be the preferred oil on this list and at least one bike on the list made it over a quarter million miles using it (and was still going strong last time that he checked in) so it must be OK stuff. Anyway, it is cheap insurance to change your oil so why not? Your bike will love you all the more for it anyway. Russ Vernon 95 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: JACKKPTS@aol.com cc: libssd@emory.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: Viscosity & service classification of "Sun, 05 Nov 2000 18:07:12 EST." Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 17:44:38 -0600 From: David Kelly JACKKPTS@aol.com writes: > I read two of these articles. The DiCarlo article was very interesting. > Based on the info, it appears as if the Mobile 1 auto oil 15W-50 is a very > good mix of price and performance. Am I missing anything here??? > > Also, my PC has honda regular oil and its time for a change. Is there > anything special I should do if I want to switch to Mobile 1? I have only > 14K miles on my '90 PC. Since I only ride about 3K miles a year, can I go 2 > years between oil changes? I think I'll also use Mobile synthetic in the > final drive as well. Thanks!! Don't have to do anything special. Might want to learn how to spell "Mobil" so you can write it correctly in your PC logbook. :-) I wouldn't go 2 years on an oil change. There is not much an oil can do about condensation. The only way you can get the water out is to change the oil. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sun, 5 Nov 2000 15:49:41 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tim Macy" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Was next gen PC - now anti ABS Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 15:49:41 PST >----Original Message Follows---- >From: Daryl Tschoepe >Also, insurance statistics in the US prove that >as "safety features" are >added, bad habits and skill >deteriorates, ala air bags and ABS on automobiles. > I'm sure that >having a ABS equipped motorcycle >would also contribute to that same false >sense of >security. In a word...NO. I have 2nd generation ABS on the ST1100, and it is an amazing system that provides an extra measure of "safety net" that's always there if I need it. But I *Don't* let it give me a false sense of security. I haven't changed my riding habits one iota because of it. If anything, I ride with an even more heightened sense of awareness due to the additional horsepower that the ST has over the PC. >As to TCS, throttle control is cheap, and fun. The ST1100 also has TCS. It can be turned off if I don't need or want it. Tim "Scuffy" Macy Newberg, OR Stealthmobile - '94 Honda PC800 (121K) STealthmobile II - '99 Honda ST1100 ABS-II (16K) AMA #492485 HRCA #239441 HSTA #6030 RCMC STOC #1571 "Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?" - Presidential candidate George W. Bush _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: Viscosity & service classification of "Sun, 05 Nov 2000 11:07:16 EST." Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 18:02:03 -0600 From: David Kelly Selden Deemer writes: > HondaMotorbike@aol.com writes: > > > I ONLY ever use natrual oil and NEVER synthetic, they dont mix so > > changin halfway through isnt a good idea. Synthetic is harder oil > > than natrual and only high pormance cars use it (like Ferrari). > > > > Maganatec oil is great as it "sticks" (like the name suggests) to > > metel to stop the engine startin with dry parts. > > > > Also makes the engine VERY quite as stays thick and insulates the noise > > from the metal > > At the risk of offending (wouldn't be the first time) the above comments > are total hogwash. Thank you for saying that. I totally agree. HondaMotorbike@aol.com would know a lot more if he could forget what he now knows. For example, he never uses synthetic, but uses "CASTROL GTX MAGANATEC". http://www.castrol.com/domino/casbstr.nsf/content/AutomotiveCarsCastrolGTXMagnatec says: > Castrol GTX Magnatec is a synthetically engineered light > viscosity 10W-40 lubricant. Claims synthetic doesn't mix with "natural" (what's "natural" about refined oil?). Claims synthetic is a "harder oil"? Couldn't be further from the truth. Synthetic oil is oil, just like refined oil. Both are blends of hydrocarbons. The same desired hydrocarbon molecules are present and indistinguishable in both. The difference is how the manufacturer arrived at the end product. Synthetically one can keep undesired components out of the product. Synthecially one is not at mercy of the chemical composition of the latest shipload of oil to arrive at the refinery. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jgoula@topcat.sfos.uaf.edu To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 0:30:43 GMT Subject: Re: PC800: Cheapest gas Saul wrote: >If people stopped buying SUVs and other "gas hogs" as well as all manner of >gas-powered "toys"--snowmobiles, jetskis, etc.--and started driving more >conscientiously rather than frivilously, there would be gas wars again. Excuse me? You should tread lightly on this subject, for many people in the this planet think motorcycles _are_ gas-powered toys. Would you like to be told not to ride your PC, since after all, you can buy a few automobiles that get equal or better fuel mileage than the PC and can do that carrying more than two people? I don't believe you would. How does that saying go about throwing stones while living in a glass house? Juan -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jgoula@topcat.sfos.uaf.edu To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 2:03:22 GMT Subject: Re: PC800: ABS / TCS /Ride by wire Emile, I agreee with you 100%. The computers are nothing but another tool inyour toolbox, and as long aas you learn how to use them well, you should be fine. I, however, fear for your safety. I am now envisioning a group of rhinos in trench coats and dark glasses waiting for you outside your workplace on a dark night, waiting to stomp the living daylights out of you, in revenge for portraying them as stupid animals :-) And Daryl, as we have discussed before in this list, the "Darwinian principle" only applies if the individual in question has not had the chance to reproduce yet. No hard feelings, ok? Juan -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaMotorbike@aol.com Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 22:13:58 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Viscosity & service classification To: libssd@emory.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu I never go from reviews, i only ever go by my research and my last vehicals it screwed after Bosch and Lotus looked at the engine and expleaned why they where different and why i shouldnt "really" use synthetic, BUT there YOUR bikes who am i to sway anyone, i only know my last car went from 12 years and 400000 miles................. and still sounded new the day i sold it (all on natrual Castrol oil). Laters In a message dated 05/11/00 16:07:58 GMT Standard Time, libssd@emory.edu writes: << At the risk of offending (wouldn't be the first time) the above comments are total hogwash. Read the recent 3-part series on motor oils published in Motorcycle Consumer News. Ed Hackett's "Oil FAQ" was the starting point for the MCN series: http://www.vtr.org/maintain/oil-overview.html >> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaMotorbike@aol.com Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 22:28:27 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Viscosity & service classification To: dkelly@grumpy.dyndns.org, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Will be the last time i ever send any technical data to this list, as everone seems to love to play on words instead of really looking at the problems, thanks for the insults lads...... Laters In a message dated 06/11/00 00:03:06 GMT Standard Time, dkelly@grumpy.dyndns.org writes: << http://www.castrol.com/domino/casbstr.nsf/content/AutomotiveCarsCastrolGTXMagn atec >> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaMotorbike@aol.com Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 22:40:20 EST Subject: PC800: Fwd: PC Running lights... To: transalp1@mindspring.com, mlinkous@inetone.net, jtq@together.net, tourrider@hotmail.com, Emile@st1100.net, rstar@aa.net CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hi all To answer a few question i have had.... Firstly, do you have a web address where i can see the Dennis Kirk lights? or can you describe them please? Secondly, yes its the from fender "Yellow" reflectors BUT also will be looking at the rear red ones as well. As for the pictures, well i have posted a few on the MSN PC800 communities site "http://communities.msn.co.uk/PC800" your need to go to PHOTO ALBUM on the menu then in to the album called "Ashley's Reflector Project". I will soon have ALOT MORE information on that and more projects i have completed on a website of my own. Laters In a message dated 04/11/00 21:58:51 GMT Standard Time, Honda Motorbike writes: << Right everyone. I have just finished the first prototype of a set of running lights in the FRONT reflectors on a CN250 which will also go straight over to the PC as well. I am working on the front yellow and rear red reflectors. I am doing this for ME but if i get enough interest then i will think about making it more available to others..... If enough people responed (in anyway) then i will post a few pictures of the prototypes on the MSN PC800 website.... Laters >> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 16:58:51 EST From: HondaMotorbike@aol.com Subject:PC Running lights... To: Right everyone. I have just finished the first prototype of a set of runing lights in the FRONT reflectors on a CN250 which will also go straight over to the PC as well. I am working on the front yellow and rear red reflectors. I am doing this for ME but if i get enough interest then i will think about making it more available to others..... If enough people responed (in anyway) then i will post a few pictures of the prototypes on the MSN PC800 website.... Laters Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: xcontrol@erols.com To: , , Subject: RE: PC800: Re: Viscosity & service classification Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 22:53:00 -0500 Importance: Normal Agreed. People do tend to hang on every word looking for faults. Give everyone a break. Chris 98 PC800 87 CN250 80 P125X -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of HondaMotorbike@aol.com Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 10:28 PM To: dkelly@grumpy.dyndns.org; pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Viscosity & service classification Will be the last time i ever send any technical data to this list, as everone seems to love to play on words instead of really looking at the problems, thanks for the insults lads...... Laters In a message dated 06/11/00 00:03:06 GMT Standard Time, dkelly@grumpy.dyndns.org writes: << http://www.castrol.com/domino/casbstr.nsf/content/AutomotiveCarsCastrolGTXMa gn atec >> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaMotorbike@aol.com Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 23:04:10 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Fwd: PC Running lights... To: transalp1@mindspring.com, mlinkous@inetone.net, jtq@together.net, tourrider@hotmail.com, Emile@st1100.net, rstar@aa.net CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Sorry, i seem to have quite successfully buggered up that line:: << Secondly, yes its the from fender "Yellow" reflectors BUT also will be looking at the rear red ones as well.>> Yes, there from the front fender, the "Yellow" ones!!!. BUT will also be looking to modify the red rear ones as well. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaPC800Rider@aol.com for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 23:47:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 23:47:37 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Viscosity & service classification To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 11/5/2000 10:15:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, HondaMotorbike@aol.com writes: << never go from reviews, i only ever go by my research and my last vehicals it screwed after Bosch and Lotus looked at the engine and expleaned why they where different and why i shouldnt "really" use synthetic, BUT there YOUR bikes who am i to sway anyone, i only know my last car went from 12 years and 400000 miles................. and still sounded new the day i sold it (all on natrual Castrol oil). Laters >> Pardon my language, but I'm crying BULLSHIT! Troy 1997 PC800 Gabrielle and now... 2001 Jeep Wrangler 4.0 Sport "Mello Yello" Summerville, SC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail9.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 6 Nov 2000 05:05:13 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "markie800" To: "Daryl Tschoepe" , "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: ABS / TCS / Fly By wire / Ride by wire Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 23:04:56 -0600 Daryl, Hate to burst your bubble but since August 4, 1997, an MD80 is a Boeing aircraft. Mark Gilb Arnold, Mo. 95 PC800 FAUX Daryl Tschoepe wrote ... And my own irrational personal gray matter CPU will make me much happier if I'm on a Boeing instead of an MD-80. _____NetZero Free Internet Access and Email______ http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail7.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 6 Nov 2000 05:28:10 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "markie800" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Viscosity & service classification Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 23:28:08 -0600 I don't know why anyone would think that is improbable. Our own list has stories of PCs going over 200,000 miles and I know of at least one car in St. Louis (an Acura Legend that one of my co-workers drives) that is over 300,000 miles. Doesn't exactly look like new but it still runs strong. Modern material technology and the drive to improve mileage by reducing friction have done wonders to extend the longevity of the modern gasoline engine. The 1995 Taurus SHO that I got rid of this spring had 145,00 on it and the engine was still very strong. This was not a lightly stressed engine, producing 220 horsepower in full as installed, EPA attire from 3.0 liters. Yamaha designed the engine and I'm convinced that the car would have gone at least another 100,000 miles had I chose to keep it. Other considerations (teaching my daughter to drive mostly) dictated that the car be traded for something a little more sedate. Mark Gilb Arnold, Mo. 95 PC800 FAUX ____________NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_________ Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 ___________________________________________________________ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail9.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 6 Nov 2000 05:45:05 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "markie800" To: Subject: Re: PC800: The next generation PC? Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 23:44:48 -0600 Spent part of this weekend at the MotorcycleOnline site - http://www.motorcycle.com They have posted a road test of the new Wing that is pretty interesting. Keeping in mind the bias of MO towards sportbikes, the review was fairly balanced and provided a good first look at the new Wing. Since Yamaha isn't sending the FJR1300 this year, the new Wing is looking pretty good as a PC replacement to me, should the need arise. 100+ horsepower, shaft drive, lots of storage, sound and intercom system, sportier suspension, radials, Honda's traditional attention to detail. I'll take mine in Fly Yellow. Anyone want to bid on my 95 PC ;-) Mark Gilb Arnold, Mo. 95 PC800 FAUX Dave Steven asked the musical question ......... If you were to move on (up?/over?) in the cycling world and all your current parameters (marital status/# of vacation weeks/# of kids etc.) except money stayed the same. What is the next bike you would own? _____NetZero Free Internet Access and Email______ http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "joannie" To: , "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Viscosity 400,000 miles Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 23:55:29 -0600 I wouldn't be inclined to think BS on the 400,000 miles. I had a 1983 Honda Civic with 250,000 miles on it. It was still running just fine when I sold it. The oil was always changed every 3,000 miles. Coincidentally it was also Castrol. Joannie St. Louis CBR 1100 XX 98 PC800 -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaPC800Rider@aol.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sunday, November 05, 2000 10:48 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Viscosity & service classification >In a message dated 11/5/2000 10:15:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, >HondaMotorbike@aol.com writes: > >> BUT there YOUR >> bikes who am i to sway anyone, i only know my last car went from 12 years >>and 400000 miles................. and still sounded new the day i sold it (all on > >natrual Castrol oil). > > > >Laters >> > >Pardon my language, but I'm crying BULLSHIT! > >Troy >1997 PC800 Gabrielle >and now... 2001 Jeep Wrangler 4.0 Sport "Mello Yello" >Summerville, SC >-- > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail8.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 6 Nov 2000 05:53:32 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "markie800" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Shiftless in Seattle Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 23:53:28 -0600 Having owned a variety of bikes over the years, including a Norton 850 (the EXXON Valdez of bikes), the PC gearbox really isn't too bad. I have very little trouble finding neutral at a light. I'll agree that the shift into first isn't the gentle snick I would like but overall, I am not unhappy with the gearbox. I suspect that it is overbuilt for the relatively modest output of the PC and that may contribute to it's "heavy" feeling. Mark Gilb Arnold, Mo. 95 PC800 FAUX Revill Dunn wrote ........ The PC does have one of the sloppiest gearboxes that Honda ever produced........ _______________________________________________ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ASKARDLIFE@aol.com Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 01:54:04 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Front Wheel/Honda of Milpitas To: jdcpc@email.msn.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 11/5/00 10:29:31 AM Central Standard Time, jdcpc@email.msn.com writes: << If Crystal (where IS she from?) has one on her '89 would it fit my '96? >> I asked and she said Wayne, West Virgina... Since everyone was so curious! l8ter... Todd Skar 89'PC 20k "Poseidon" Green Bay, WI PCRC#720 NEWPCRC (president) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ASKARDLIFE@aol.com for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 03:12:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 03:12:38 EST Subject: PC800: Kettle Moraine Ride II... To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Fellow lister's and all motorcyclist's, Frank and I are doing the Kettle Ride again! Here are the specifics: When...November 11th @ 0900 am Where...at the mall parking lot in Kohler, WI Who... Frank, Jim, Jack, Todd, John, and "Bill"??? Maybe Greg... Anyone Else??? feel free to call me at home...(920) 498-8265 The weather will determine if we ride for sure. (Cross finger's) Thanks for reading! C YA... ps Check this site for a better understanding: GORP - Kettle Moraine and Lake Michigan Scenic Drives - Scenic Driving Wisconsi Todd Skar 89'PC 20k "Poseidon" Green Bay, WI PCRC#720 NEWPCRC (president) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "eddie" To: "PC800 List" Subject: PC800: Bunch-O-miles Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 07:12:01 -0500 My Honda bike dealer has an Acura Legend sedan he bought new. It has 200,000+ miles on it and the only engine work has been maint. related. No hard parts replaced. It's had a steady diet of 20W-50 HONDA bike oil. Will he sell it? I asked him and he said "no way! " -eddie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Mon, 6 Nov 2000 05:39:06 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "jdcpc" To: "PC 800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: Front Wheel/Honda of Milpitas Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 05:33:06 -0800 Sorry it took me so long, Jack. Honda of Milpitas 800 number is: 800 (duh) 734-2639 Ride Safe, Joyce Sonoma County, Ca '96 Red Rolls ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 2:07 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Front Wheel/Honda of Milpitas > What is their 800 number? I need to order a sevice manual. Thanks!! > > Jack Kamoske > Cool Runnings, '90 PC > Sussex, WI -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Mon, 6 Nov 2000 05:39:07 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "jdcpc" To: "PC 800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: Front Wheel/Honda of Milpitas Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 05:35:59 -0800 Thanks, Todd. Are you the one who posted her information to the list for her? I would like to ask her about this wheel, if you have a way to contact her. OR, did anyone else contact her regarding parts? Thanks, Joyce Sonoma County, Ca '96 Red Rolls > << If Crystal (where IS she from?) has one on her '89 would it fit my '96? > >> > I asked and she said Wayne, West Virgina... Since everyone was > so curious! l8ter... > > Todd Skar > 89'PC 20k > "Poseidon" > Green Bay, WI > PCRC#720 > NEWPCRC > (president) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with ESMTP Mon, 6 Nov 2000 07:41:43 -0600 <008e01c047b4$ae093be0$35ed94ce@h74678> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 07:42:08 -0500 To: "markie800" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: The next generation PC? Cc: > >Dave Steven asked the musical question ......... >If you were to move on (up?/over?) in the cycling world and all your >current parameters (marital status/# of vacation weeks/# of kids etc.) >except money stayed the same. What is the next bike you would own? At 11:44 PM -0600 11/5/00, markie800 wrote: >...the new Wing is looking pretty good as a PC >replacement to me, should the need arise. 100+ horsepower, shaft drive, lots >of storage, sound and intercom system, sportier suspension, radials, Honda's >traditional attention to detail. I'll take mine in Fly Yellow. I also have to admit I like the look of the new Wing, and I like the sitting position. When I sit on the PC, it feels like I am sitting *in* the bike, whereas when I sit on an ST1100 or Concours, it feels like I am sitting up *on* the bike. I had a chance to sit on the new Wing, and it definitely has that sitting *in* it feel. The controls seemed pretty nicely laid out, and they were much more integrated and blended in than on the current Wing. I have to admit, the 136hp 1.8L engine does seem appealing to me. I don't care what mileage it gets, as long as it has a 200+ mile range. If I had the money, I would keep my PC and add a 2001 Gold Wing to my garage...of course, if I had the money, I would have to add a garage to my garage to make room for it as well ! Ride safe. fsl -- Francois Saint Laurent Ottawa, Canada , but currently in Chicago, IL 1995 PC800 Waltzing Matilda *** Top 10 Reasons to Procrastinate *** 1. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 09:00:46 -0500 (EST) From: Selden Deemer To: JACKKPTS@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Viscosity & service classification Choice of oil involves a lot of faith. The conventional wisdom on synthetics is to start with petroleum through the breakin period, then switch to synthetic. Some people claim that it's next to impossible to get new rings to seat properly with a synthetic oil. At 14,000 miles, your PC is at the right mileage for the switch. Two of the biggest advantages of synthetics are longer intervals between oil changes, and better lubrication at startup -- both important if you only ride 3000 miles a year. I think that a synthetic, changed every 12 months, would be a good choice. Among synthetics, Mobil-1 has an excellent reputation, and is widely available -- occasionally on sale at places like Walmart or K Mart. I use Mobil Delvac 1300, a "truck" oil, in my PC. It sells for $8-10 a gallon, but is generally found only at truck stops. Shell Rotella is a similar oil. ====================================================================== Selden Deemer Atlanta, Georgia EMAIL: libssd@emory.edu ====================================================================== On Sun, 5 Nov 2000 JACKKPTS@aol.com wrote: > I read two of these articles. The DiCarlo article was very interesting. > Based on the info, it appears as if the Mobile 1 auto oil 15W-50 is a very > good mix of price and performance. Am I missing anything here??? > > Also, my PC has honda regular oil and its time for a change. Is there > anything special I should do if I want to switch to Mobile 1? I have only > 14K miles on my '90 PC. Since I only ride about 3K miles a year, can I go 2 > years between oil changes? I think I'll also use Mobile synthetic in the > final drive as well. Thanks!! > > Jack Kamoske > Cool Runnings, '90 PC > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 09:09:18 -0500 (EST) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: Was next gen PC - now anti ABS Daryl Tschoepe writes: > Also, insurance statistics in the US prove that as "safety features" > are added, bad habits and skill deteriorates, ala air bags and ABS > on automobiles.... I'm sure that having a ABS equipped motorcycle > would also contribute to that same false sense of security. I heard a MFS instructor make that argument last month. Extending the logic, HD riders who don't wear helmets and ride around in T-shirts should be among the most skilled riders on the road... I'm not buying it -- my next bike will probably have ABS. ====================================================================== Selden Deemer Atlanta, Georgia EMAIL: libssd@emory.edu ====================================================================== -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Revill Dunn" Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 08:13:13 -0600 "Re: PC800: Shiftless now false neutrals" (Nov 4, 1:37pm) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Shiftless now false neutrals Agreed, compared to the BMW R bikes, the PC does shift "smoothly". The R bikes are known for the stoutness of their trannys; that's why I have hope that the PC clunkiness comes from a similar heftiness internally. Maybe the false neutrals are a result of my size 14's. I can get between gears with most any bike I've tried. But the PC is more willing than most to blow a shift. Good thing the engine's quiet. At least the bystanders don't stare & applaud. Revill On Nov 4, 1:37pm, Great Ned wrote: > Subject: Re: PC800: Shiftless now false neutrals > > > > The PC does have one of the sloppiest gearboxes that Honda ever produced. > It's > > like something out of Poland, or Milwaukee. I get false neutrals all the > > time, except when I'm looking for the real one. > > I can't recall ever getting a false neutral, Revill. Use to find them a > lot on my old 750/4. > > And as for clonking, obviously you have never owned or ridden a BMW R/ bike. > Downshifting (and up) with those is Richter-Measurable. > > I agree that getting to neutral at a stop is uncertain and frustrating. I > think I probably just do that on deceleration without thinking. Like lots > of things I do. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 09:08:39 -0600 (CST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 09:08:39 -0600 From: David Kelly To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Viscosity & service classification On Sun, Nov 05, 2000 at 10:53:00PM -0500, xcontrol@erols.com wrote: > Agreed. People do tend to hang on every word looking for faults. Give > everyone a break. So what do you suggest one should do when another posts hogwash and other false information as true? -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BILL SMITH To: "'Selden Deemer'" , JACKKPTS@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Re: Viscosity & service classification Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 10:16:15 -0500 There has been a lot of traffic about Oil types and grades lately. With all the list traffic I must admit that I deleted most without reading so if I repeat what others have written then excuse me. I just wanted to pass this on. This summer when I bought my PC the first thing I wanted to do was to change oil. Not knowing how it had been treated. I was all set to buy castrol or Mobile but my dealer showed me a service bulletin from Honda warning about using the new slipperier oils. The bulletin warned that these oils may cause the clutch to slip. I bought Honda brand oil from the dealer and started home. I had only had the PC for a few days and had not really stressed it through the gears. Not knowing what oil was in it I pushed it hard through the gears on the way home. The clutch slipped from 1st to 2nd and again into 3rd. I called the dealer when I got home and he said that with the right oil it should fix itself in a few hundred miles. Today after riding about 2000 miles this summer it no longer slips. I expect that with the long oil change interval recommended by Honda I would plan on one oil and filter change per year during the winter and not worry about it after that. No need for the expensive oils either. Bill Smith 96PC Dream Chaser Hermitage, PA. -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Selden Deemer [mailto:libssd@emory.edu] Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 9:01 AM To: JACKKPTS@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Viscosity & service classification Choice of oil involves a lot of faith. The conventional wisdom on synthetics is to start with petroleum through the breakin period, then switch to synthetic. Some people claim that it's next to impossible to get new rings to seat properly with a synthetic oil. At 14,000 miles, your PC is at the right mileage for the switch. Two of the biggest advantages of synthetics are longer intervals between oil changes, and better lubrication at startup -- both important if you only ride 3000 miles a year. I think that a synthetic, changed every 12 months, would be a good choice. Among synthetics, Mobil-1 has an excellent reputation, and is widely available -- occasionally on sale at places like Walmart or K Mart. I use Mobil Delvac 1300, a "truck" oil, in my PC. It sells for $8-10 a gallon, but is generally found only at truck stops. Shell Rotella is a similar oil. ====================================================================== Selden Deemer Atlanta, Georgia EMAIL: libssd@emory.edu ====================================================================== On Sun, 5 Nov 2000 JACKKPTS@aol.com wrote: > I read two of these articles. The DiCarlo article was very interesting. > Based on the info, it appears as if the Mobile 1 auto oil 15W-50 is a very > good mix of price and performance. Am I missing anything here??? > > Also, my PC has honda regular oil and its time for a change. Is there > anything special I should do if I want to switch to Mobile 1? I have only > 14K miles on my '90 PC. Since I only ride about 3K miles a year, can I go 2 > years between oil changes? I think I'll also use Mobile synthetic in the > final drive as well. Thanks!! > > Jack Kamoske > Cool Runnings, '90 PC > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. one oil and filter change per year during the winter and not worry = about it after that.  No need for the expensive oils = either.

Bill Smith
96PC Dream Chaser
Hermitage, PA.


-----Original Message-----
From: Selden Deemer [mailto:libssd@emory.edu]
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 9:01 AM
To: JACKKPTS@aol.com
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Viscosity & service = classification


Choice of oil involves a lot of faith. The = conventional wisdom on
synthetics is to start with petroleum through the = breakin period,
then switch to synthetic. Some people claim that = it's next to
impossible to get new rings to seat properly with a = synthetic oil.

At 14,000 miles, your PC is at the right mileage for = the switch. Two of
the biggest advantages of synthetics are longer = intervals between oil
changes, and better lubrication at startup -- both = important if you only
ride 3000 miles a year. I think that a synthetic, = changed every 12 months,
would be a good choice. Among synthetics, Mobil-1 = has an excellent
reputation, and is widely available -- occasionally = on sale at places
like Walmart or K Mart. I use Mobil Delvac 1300, a = "truck" oil, in my
PC. It sells for $8-10 a gallon, but is generally = found only at truck
stops. Shell Rotella is a similar oil.

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On Sun, 5 Nov 2000 JACKKPTS@aol.com wrote:

> I read two of these articles.  The DiCarlo = article was very interesting. 
> Based on the info, it appears as if the Mobile = 1 auto oil 15W-50 is a very
> good mix of price and performance.  Am I = missing anything here???
>
> Also, my PC has honda regular oil and its time = for a change.  Is there
> anything special I should do if I want to = switch to Mobile 1?  I have only
> 14K miles on my '90 PC.  Since I only ride = about 3K miles a year, can I go 2
> years between oil changes? I think I'll also = use Mobile synthetic in the
> final drive as well.  Thanks!!
>
> Jack Kamoske
> Cool Runnings, '90 PC
>

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Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 07:36:23 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mike Kanitsch" To: Subject: PC800: In Search of.... Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 08:28:34 -0700 I'm looking for a battery tender with a lighter plug. If anyone has one = they want to sell or knows of one, please respond off-list. Thanks, Mike K. plug.  If=20 anyone has one they want to sell or knows of one, please respond=20 off-list.
 
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-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m15.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FM7YVVV3; Mon, 06 Nov 2000 10:37:21 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: dkelly@hiwaay.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 09:39:31 -0600 Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Viscosity & service classification From: Tony L Miller As usual, David is right. hehe I have to defend my neighbor. Anyone who posts that synthetic oil does not mix with dino oil needs to be corrected. Also, I have serious doubts about anyone who posts that dino oil is better than synthetic. Spreading falsehoods on the list cannot be a good thing. We should disagree without being disagreeable. Personally, I believe that most any oil on the shelf that meets specifications will do well enough if changed as recommended. But I use Mobil 1 because I believe it is the best, and I want to pamper my machine. Tony On Mon, 6 Nov 2000 09:08:39 -0600 David Kelly writes: > On Sun, Nov 05, 2000 at 10:53:00PM -0500, xcontrol@erols.com wrote: > > Agreed. People do tend to hang on every word looking for faults. > Give > > everyone a break. > > So what do you suggest one should do when another posts hogwash and > other false information as true? > > -- > David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net > ===================================================================== -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 09:37:43 -0600 (CST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 09:37:43 -0600 From: David Kelly To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Viscosity & service classification On Sun, Nov 05, 2000 at 10:28:27PM -0500, HondaMotorbike@aol.com wrote: > Will be the last time i ever send any technical data to this list, as everone > seems to love to play on words instead of really looking at the problems, > thanks for the insults lads...... My statement, "HondaMotorbike@aol.com would know more if he would forget everything he knows" was not meant as an insult. But most everything you posted about motor oil was false by every measure I know. I'm willing to stand up in public and say "HondaMotorbike@aol.com has no clothes!" and if I'm wrong then I expect to be corrected in the same venue. Am glad you like your choice of Castrol GTX Magnatec. Castrol is a good company which is not going to make products which hurt engines (unlike Slick-50 and Fram). And I'll repeat again, "Synthetic oil is oil." Can't think of any way to say it simpler. Possibly its too simple. Unlike the Japanese experiments to produce Synthetic Human Blood, which wasn't really blood, but could serve until the body replaced it. Synthetic oil is oil, not an oil-workalike. Hence it mixes with refined oil without damaging the engine. All of the oil and engine manufacturers endorse synthetic oils as compatible with refined oils. Mechanics are less reliable judges of such than the proverbial Old Wives' Tales. A recent example of a mechanic spreading false conclusions was the proposition that low octane gasoline caused "micro pitting" and premature valve seat wear. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 10:50:34 -0500 (EST) From: Selden Deemer To: BILL SMITH cc: JACKKPTS@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Re: Viscosity & service classification The third article in the MCN series specifically recommends against using one of the Hondaline oils because it contains molybdenum. One of the reasons I use Delvac 1300 rather than Mobil-1 in my PC is the relatively weak clutch of the PC. My Hawk has been running Mobil-1 for more than 20,000 miles, with never a slip. The PC clutch seems much less willing to take hard shifting at high rpms. ====================================================================== Selden Deemer Atlanta, Georgia EMAIL: libssd@emory.edu ====================================================================== On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, BILL SMITH wrote: > There has been a lot of traffic about Oil types and grades lately. With all > the list traffic I must admit that I deleted most without reading so if I > repeat what others have written then excuse me. I just wanted to pass this > on. This summer when I bought my PC the first thing I wanted to do was to > change oil. Not knowing how it had been treated. I was all set to buy > castrol or Mobile but my dealer showed me a service bulletin from Honda > warning about using the new slipperier oils. The bulletin warned that these > oils may cause the clutch to slip. I bought Honda brand oil from the dealer > and started home. I had only had the PC for a few days and had not really > stressed it through the gears. Not knowing what oil was in it I pushed it > hard through the gears on the way home. The clutch slipped from 1st to 2nd > and again into 3rd. I called the dealer when I got home and he said that > with the right oil it should fix itself in a few hundred miles. Today after > riding about 2000 miles this summer it no longer slips. I expect that with > the long oil change interval recommended by Honda I would plan on one oil > and filter change per year during the winter and not worry about it after > that. No need for the expensive oils either. > Bill Smith > 96PC Dream Chaser > Hermitage, PA. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Selden Deemer [mailto:libssd@emory.edu] > Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 9:01 AM > To: JACKKPTS@aol.com > Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Viscosity & service classification > > > Choice of oil involves a lot of faith. The conventional wisdom on > synthetics is to start with petroleum through the breakin period, > then switch to synthetic. Some people claim that it's next to > impossible to get new rings to seat properly with a synthetic oil. > > At 14,000 miles, your PC is at the right mileage for the switch. Two of > the biggest advantages of synthetics are longer intervals between oil > changes, and better lubrication at startup -- both important if you only > ride 3000 miles a year. I think that a synthetic, changed every 12 months, > would be a good choice. Among synthetics, Mobil-1 has an excellent > reputation, and is widely available -- occasionally on sale at places > like Walmart or K Mart. I use Mobil Delvac 1300, a "truck" oil, in my > PC. It sells for $8-10 a gallon, but is generally found only at truck > stops. Shell Rotella is a similar oil. > > ====================================================================== > Selden Deemer > Atlanta, Georgia EMAIL: libssd@emory.edu > ====================================================================== > > On Sun, 5 Nov 2000 JACKKPTS@aol.com wrote: > > > I read two of these articles. The DiCarlo article was very interesting. > > Based on the info, it appears as if the Mobile 1 auto oil 15W-50 is a very > > > good mix of price and performance. Am I missing anything here??? > > > > Also, my PC has honda regular oil and its time for a change. Is there > > anything special I should do if I want to switch to Mobile 1? I have only > > > 14K miles on my '90 PC. Since I only ride about 3K miles a year, can I go > 2 > > years between oil changes? I think I'll also use Mobile synthetic in the > > final drive as well. Thanks!! > > > > Jack Kamoske > > Cool Runnings, '90 PC > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Pickett, Bruce D" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Re: Viscosity & service classification Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 07:55:40 -0800 I wish those articles were online. What's wrong with moly in oil? Bruce Pickett Federal Way, WA '89 PC800 "Blue Pacific" http://www.users.qwest.net/~bpickett/Blue.html -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Selden Deemer [mailto:libssd@emory.edu] Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 7:51 AM To: BILL SMITH Cc: JACKKPTS@aol.com; pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Re: Viscosity & service classification The third article in the MCN series specifically recommends against using one of the Hondaline oils because it contains molybdenum. One of the reasons I use Delvac 1300 rather than Mobil-1 in my PC is the relatively weak clutch of the PC. My Hawk has been running Mobil-1 for more than 20,000 miles, with never a slip. The PC clutch seems much less willing to take hard shifting at high rpms. ====================================================================== Selden Deemer Atlanta, Georgia EMAIL: libssd@emory.edu ====================================================================== -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 11:01:34 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "R. Fenwick" Subject: PC800: MCN & Hondaline oil (was: Viscosity & service classification) At 10:50 AM 11/06/2000 -0500, Selden Deemer wrote: >The third article in the MCN series specifically recommends against >using one of the Hondaline oils because it contains molybdenum. I'm not casting doubt on your statement Selden, but will a MCN subscriber please confirm which Hondaline oil? Would someone be so nice as to forward the entire statement made by MCN, so there is not confusion as to something being taken out of context? I am starting to doubt a number of these oil claims that have been made lately... This one could potentially affect a number of people on the list, so I want the whole statement, from beginning to end, in context. I don't want this to sound like I'm saying "OK, prove it".... But I *do*, want the facts. Thanks- Rich Fenwick Illinois 1990 PC800 At 10:50 AM 11/06/2000 -0500, Selden Deemer wrote: >The third article in the MCN series specifically recommends against >using one of the Hondaline oils because it contains molybdenum. One >of the reasons I use Delvac 1300 rather than Mobil-1 in my PC is the >relatively weak clutch of the PC. My Hawk has been running Mobil-1 >for more than 20,000 miles, with never a slip. The PC clutch seems >much less willing to take hard shifting at high rpms. > >====================================================================== >Selden Deemer >Atlanta, Georgia EMAIL: libssd@emory.edu >====================================================================== > >On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, BILL SMITH wrote: > >> There has been a lot of traffic about Oil types and grades lately. With all >> the list traffic I must admit that I deleted most without reading so if I >> repeat what others have written then excuse me. I just wanted to pass this >> on. This summer when I bought my PC the first thing I wanted to do was to >> change oil. Not knowing how it had been treated. I was all set to buy >> castrol or Mobile but my dealer showed me a service bulletin from Honda >> warning about using the new slipperier oils. The bulletin warned that these >> oils may cause the clutch to slip. I bought Honda brand oil from the dealer >> and started home. I had only had the PC for a few days and had not really >> stressed it through the gears. Not knowing what oil was in it I pushed it >> hard through the gears on the way home. The clutch slipped from 1st to 2nd >> and again into 3rd. I called the dealer when I got home and he said that >> with the right oil it should fix itself in a few hundred miles. Today after >> riding about 2000 miles this summer it no longer slips. I expect that with >> the long oil change interval recommended by Honda I would plan on one oil >> and filter change per year during the winter and not worry about it after >> that. No need for the expensive oils either. >> Bill Smith >> 96PC Dream Chaser >> Hermitage, PA. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Selden Deemer [mailto:libssd@emory.edu] >> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 9:01 AM >> To: JACKKPTS@aol.com >> Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >> Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Viscosity & service classification >> >> >> Choice of oil involves a lot of faith. The conventional wisdom on >> synthetics is to start with petroleum through the breakin period, >> then switch to synthetic. Some people claim that it's next to >> impossible to get new rings to seat properly with a synthetic oil. >> >> At 14,000 miles, your PC is at the right mileage for the switch. Two of >> the biggest advantages of synthetics are longer intervals between oil >> changes, and better lubrication at startup -- both important if you only >> ride 3000 miles a year. I think that a synthetic, changed every 12 months, >> would be a good choice. Among synthetics, Mobil-1 has an excellent >> reputation, and is widely available -- occasionally on sale at places >> like Walmart or K Mart. I use Mobil Delvac 1300, a "truck" oil, in my >> PC. It sells for $8-10 a gallon, but is generally found only at truck >> stops. Shell Rotella is a similar oil. >> >> ====================================================================== >> Selden Deemer >> Atlanta, Georgia EMAIL: libssd@emory.edu >> ====================================================================== >> >> On Sun, 5 Nov 2000 JACKKPTS@aol.com wrote: >> >> > I read two of these articles. The DiCarlo article was very interesting. >> > Based on the info, it appears as if the Mobile 1 auto oil 15W-50 is a very >> >> > good mix of price and performance. Am I missing anything here??? >> > >> > Also, my PC has honda regular oil and its time for a change. Is there >> > anything special I should do if I want to switch to Mobile 1? I have only >> >> > 14K miles on my '90 PC. Since I only ride about 3K miles a year, can I go >> 2 >> > years between oil changes? I think I'll also use Mobile synthetic in the >> > final drive as well. Thanks!! >> > >> > Jack Kamoske >> > Cool Runnings, '90 PC >> > >> >> -- >> Visit the PC800 web page at >> To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >> message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >> To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >> > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Mon, 6 Nov 2000 10:05:52 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 12:05:31 -0600 Subject: PC800: SIgh, not anti ABS - just pro ABS choice From: Daryl Tschoepe To: Geez, Well, Tim if that's true, you're an exceptional individual, but you are also outside of the statistical norm. Put the average US driver in a car with airbags and ABS, and seatbelt usage declines while speed increases, especially in less than ideal weather. Check the stats. People drive SUVs to feel safer, and then proceed to drive the h*$& out of them in conditions where they should know better. Come down to Texas and we'll go looking around for examples, it won't take very long to find some in the Austin area. This is usually manifested by someone slamming on their brakes in the rain on a downhill slope and then plowing into the back of the vehicle they were following too closely anyway. That was the one I saw last weekend returning from the HSTA ride. Fortunately the travel trailer that bore the brunt of the impact provided a nice soft crumple zone, and everyone walked away. As far as turning TCS off, why should I buy it if I were going to leave it off, which I would? Again, what part of OPTIONAL are people having trouble understanding? I whole-heartedly endorse making it available to those who want it, but those that don't shouldn't be forced to pay for it. If you wish to pay 5-10% more for your motorcycle - feel free. I'm getting cheap though. Now, if an insurer gives me a big enough discount that it'll pay for the option over 2-3 years, maybe I'd pop for it and turn it off. But maybe not - it's still one more thing to break. But if you want it, buy it! Just don't make me buy it. Is this such a difficult concept? Let's everybody have outriggers on their bike ala Keith Code, so we can't tip over in parking lots. Put a layer of bubble-wrap in your leathers if you want, but don't make me...I'd just pop 'em at stoplights anyway. Now I'll really confuse you all, I wouldn't buy a pickup without rear-wheel ABS? Why? Simple, a braking system that has to work with an extra 2000lbs of mass over an otherwise unloaded read axle tends to lock up when empty. Pick the right tool for the right job. ABS is the right tool for that job, and it was a prime purchasing consideration on my last truck. I (and let me repeat again I'm not advocating that it be unavailable for anyone else) just would choose not to purchase it myself on a motorcycle, given the option. So, in closing, should I be trusted with the honor of your vote in the upcoming UN Ruler of the World election, all such systems will be optional. Optionally yours, Daryl P.S. Optional, not unavailable. It's possible that on 11/5/00 5:49 PM, Tim Macy at timbmacy@hotmail.com hurled this into the void... >I have 2nd generation ABS on the ST1100, and it is an > amazing system that provides an extra measure of "safety net" that's always > there if I need it. But I *Don't* let it give me a false sense of security. > I haven't changed my riding habits one iota because of it. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Mon, 6 Nov 2000 10:51:53 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 12:51:43 -0600 Subject: PC800: Was Fly by - now Who built who? From: Daryl Tschoepe To: PC800 Doesn't count, the ones 'Merican still flies were all built in the 80's by McDD, at least the ones I ride out of Austin. Kinda like if Aprilla bought MotoGuzzi, they'd still be, oh, never mind... Besides, today it was a 757! Daryl It's possible that on 11/5/00 11:04 PM, markie800 at markie800@netzero.net hurled this into the void... > Daryl, > > Hate to burst your bubble but since August 4, 1997, an MD80 is a Boeing > aircraft. > > Mark Gilb > Arnold, Mo. > 95 PC800 FAUX > > Daryl Tschoepe wrote ... And my own irrational personal gray matter > CPU will make me much happier if I'm on a Boeing instead of an MD-80. > > > > _____NetZero Free Internet Access and Email______ > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Mon, 6 Nov 2000 10:51:55 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 12:51:43 -0600 Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Was next gen PC - now anti ABS From: Daryl Tschoepe To: PC800 It's possible that on 11/6/00 8:09 AM, Selden Deemer at libssd@emory.edu hurled this into the void... > my next bike will probably have ABS. And it should be your choice to do so... But if I want to save a grand, I shouldn't have to buy it. Besides, I fall right in line with your local Presidential candidate on this discussion... Sigh, Daryl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaMotorbike@aol.com Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:07:38 EST Subject: PC800: Re: PC Running lights... To: tourrider@hotmail.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hi Thanks for looking, i'm not to happy at the moment as i think i just ordered 8 lights (4 Yellow and 4 Red) like the ones i THINK you are thinking about from JC Whitney only to get a response saying "there discontinued". I would be right in saying there IDENTICAL in size (give or take 2-3mm) to the ORIGINAL Honda Helix and PC800 reflectors and are about 1 inch in depth (protruding from the bike), with a single lamp inside and have reflectors front and rear of the angled lens so you can see them front, rear and out the side? If there the ones they where VERY nice indeed in design!!!! Have you seen the images in MSN yet of my project with the LED's if so what did you think? Laters P.S. Must dash, need to do more work on the above reflectors :o) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 12:16:41 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Macy Subject: Re: PC800: SIgh, not anti ABS - just pro ABS choice To: List PC800 >--- Daryl Tschoepe wrote: > Geez, Well, Tim if that's true, you're an exceptional > individual, but you are also outside of the > statistical norm. Well, gee, Daryl, I already knew that I was an exceptional individual! And I've ALWAYS been outside of the stastical norm... > Put the average US driver in a car with airbags and > ABS, and seatbelt usage declines while speed > increases, especially in less than ideal weather. > Check the stats. Somehow I can't help but feel that we are comparing apples and oranges here. I'm well aware of what the stats are for the average US driver, and they're appalling. But I find it difficult to compare auto drivers with motorcycle drivers. *Most* motorcyclists know that they're at an overwhelming disadvantage on the road and take appropriate measures to even the odds in one way or another. One of the reasons why I feel "safer" with ABS is due to those appalling auto drivers...because I have yet one more weapon on my bike that keeps me alive when interacting with them. > Again, what part of OPTIONAL are people having > trouble understanding? I took the liberty of editing your post and putting this behind my last comment because they are related. I have NO problem with ABS being optional on motorcycles. I don't feel like I have to have ABS on every bike I own. I've got 121K on the PC and have never felt like ABS would have been a good option (well, better than "average" brakes would have been nice!). I tend to ride long days and many hundreds of miles at a stretch. I also ride at night a lot. The ST allows me to do that in comfort and speed. But...even though I try...it's also harder to concentrate totally on The Ride on long trips. (And, no, I don't have any auditory distractions on the ST). The ABS can be the great "equalizer" in a situation where I have to transition from "LD" mode to "Oh, S**T" mode. Hasn't happened yet, but it could... I also live in the Northwest, where it tends to be wet a lot of the time. ABS, as I mentioned before, gives me that extra margin of safety. I've only had to use them once in a situation anywhere resembling "panic", and yes, it was in the rain. Even though I constantly practice panic stops and swerving, having that ABS edge when my reflexes took over saved my ass big-time. I'm sure I would have been just as happy with a non-ABS ST1100 (I was looking at a used non-ABS ST when I found the new one w/ABS), but let's just say that I'm "happier" that it has ABS! > As far as turning TCS off, why should I buy it if I > were going to leave it off, which I would? As I've said earlier, I ride in the rain a lot. TCS is nice on a bike with a lot of torque--like the ST--in the rain. As for why I'd turn it off? Beats the hell out of me! Having said all of that, I still agree with you, Daryl, that ABS/TCS should be optional. But whether or not to buy a bike that has ABS as an option shouldn't be purely a Pocketbook Decision. How many miles do you ride a year? What's a comfortable day's mileage? Are you a fair weather or all weather rider? How much do you ride in traffic? Do you ride at night a lot? How agressive a rider are you? And...yes...would having a bike with ABS give you a false sense of security or would you practice safe riding techniques just as if the ABS didn't exist? If any of the answers point toward ABS as being a possible additional safety factor in your riding, then you need to treat that purchase just like you would when determining whether or not to wear a helmet or good protective riding gear. Can you afford to buy it? And if so...can you afford not to? Tim "Scuffy" Macy Newberg, OR 97132 1994 Honda PC800 StealthMobile 1 (121K) 1999 Honda ST1100 ABSII STealthmobile 2 (16K) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:31:21 EST Subject: Re: PC800: SIgh, not anti ABS - just pro ABS choice To: stealthrider_tim@yahoo.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 11/6/00 12:19:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, stealthrider_tim@yahoo.com writes: << 'm sure I would have been just as happy with a non-ABS ST1100 (I was looking at a used non-ABS ST when I found the new one w/ABS), but let's just say that I'm "happier" that it has ABS! >> Dam strait Scuffy! Having ABS means that no matter how slick the road, you can hammer the brakes as hard as you want and your wheels will not lock up. Like ol' Scuff, I have never needed ABS on my PC either, but like seat belts and air bags and yes, HELMETS, the dont work if you dont have them and use them. I have had emergency situations come up where a certain body cavity of mine has tightened up so much that a proctologist would have a hard time finding it. ABS sure would have been nice to have at those times let me tell you. I guess that all I am saying is that like a gun, ABS is better to have and not need it than to need it and not have it. Russ Vernon -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "eddie" To: "R. Fenwick" Cc: "PC800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: MCN & Hondaline oil (was: Viscosity & service classification) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 16:04:11 -0500 "but will a MCN subscriber please confirm which Hondaline oil? Would someone be so nice as to forward the entire statement made by MCN, so there is not confusion as to something.." Form your own conclusions. Remember that even fiber clutches have metal pressure plates....-eddie My typing is awful but, here goes: The Molybdenum content chart listed as follows: Honda GN-4........................0 parts per million. Honda HP-4......................670 ppm. Castrol GTX(auto)............59 Mobil 1 tri-synthetic..........0 Pennzoil motorcycle.........0 Redline...............................872(the highest tested) Amsoil (auto).....................0 Castrol (M/C).....................129 Suzuki break-in oil.............517 Torco MPZ 100%..............626 Torco MPZ t-4r blend........736 " In 1996, the SAE published a technical paper written by engineers from all four Japanese motorcycle manufacturers. Their concerns for use of this friction modifier centered around starter clutch engagement, clutch slippage when driving and braking, and the effects on centrifugal clutches (these guys produce a lot of scooters). The motorcycles used for testing had no problems with manual drive clutch slippage due to moly in their oil. However, a source within American Honda told MCN that, while seeing no problems with near-new clutches, the wearing of the the clutch plates as a bike ages and racks up miles will increase the likelyhood for slippage with moly oils. ... Starter engagement appears to be the real victim of moly oils. The one-way clutch ised to engage most bike starters was found to slip in most cases when lubed with oil containing as little as 500p.p.m. of molybdenum. The slippage was found to be temperature dependent: The hotter the engine and its oil, the less tolerant it was of moly additives." Further down in the article, a representative from Torco Oils commented: Additives such asc graphite and "Teflon" can be misread by a spectrograph as molybdenum.He also emphasized that the manner in which Torco blends moly into oils differs from that of a moly merely being added to the oil. Their testing found no clutch slippage with as much as 2000ppm of moly, properly blended. Yet, levels of moly as low as 200ppm have been known to cause clutch slippage if added improperly. (He) also noted that clutch material itself is also a factor in molybdenum tolerance. Metal composite clutch plates do not like moly, while sintered fiber discs appear to be immune to its effects.(????) >>>The article goes on to tell that Honda had complaints of noisy shifting of Goldwings and they added Moly to their HP-4 oil to counter it. Now, they have reports of abnormally high idle speeds in HP-4 lubed bikes and are introducing a new HP-4 WITHOUT moly. The current blend will be renamed HP-4M and sold "for racing applications only". Curious. Very curious.... -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: "'HondaMotorbike@aol.com'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: PC Running lights... Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 16:00:12 -0500 Sounds good to me. I think more light (within the bounds of taste, of course) can only help prevent that nasty "I didn't see them" syndrome. Speaking of lights, I am thinking of pumping up the volume on my headlight. Ideally, I would like something like 60/80, but they don't seem to be available. I am leaning towards like an 85/100. I am concerned about three issues, therein. One is the legality, although it has been suggested that there should not be much trouble, here. (But wait, might I not piss off some other drivers, like that SUV driver with the 357 on the seat next to him?) Two is whether my light switch can be expected to handle the extra amperage. And three is whether this would injuriously tax my charging system. Another option which would really raise doubts for me would be the addition of a pair of driving lights, mounting location YTBD. Any thoughts? Please spare me the "high voltage" electrical engineer stuff, since most of it is over my head. Thanks. -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaMotorbike@aol.com [mailto:HondaMotorbike@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 4:59 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: PC Running lights... Right everyone. I have just finished the first prototype of a set of runing lights in the FRONT reflectors on a CN250 which will also go straight over to the PC as well. I am working on the front yellow and rear red reflectors. I am doing this for ME but if i get enough interest then i will think about making it more available to others..... If enough people responed (in anyway) then i will post a few pictures of the prototypes on the MSN PC800 website.... Laters -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 17:08:35 -0400 To: "Goldberg, Saul" , "'HondaMotorbike@aol.com'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: RE: PC800: PC Running lights... Saul: >One is the legality, although it has been suggested that >there should not be much trouble, here. They sell 80/100s at the dealer here in Canada, I haven't worried about it. > (But wait, might I not piss off some >other drivers, I make sure that mine is carefully adjusted. >Two is whether my light switch can be expected to handle the extra amperage. The switch is probably fine, the fuse may not be. I've had to replace the fuse with the next-higher on the two PCs I've put the 80/100 in. Some guys have installed heavier wiring and a relay when they put in their bigger bulb. >And three is whether this would injuriously tax my charging system. The stator in the '89 that I upgraded failed several days after I installed the new bulb. But, we know that '89s have a 100% or close-to stator failure rate, so you could say it was waiting to happen. -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Tony L Miller cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Viscosity & service classification of "Mon, 06 Nov 2000 09:39:31 CST." <20001106.093932.-70923.0.tonylmiller@juno.com> Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 18:47:58 -0600 Tony L Miller writes: > As usual, David is right. hehe I have to defend my neighbor. > > Anyone who posts that synthetic oil does not mix with dino oil needs to > be corrected. Also, I have serious doubts about anyone who posts that > dino oil is better than synthetic. > > Spreading falsehoods on the list cannot be a good thing. We should > disagree without being disagreeable. > > Personally, I believe that most any oil on the shelf that meets > specifications will do well enough if changed as recommended. But I use > Mobil 1 because I believe it is the best, and I want to pamper my > machine. Well said, Tony. I'll take the liberty to point you that *you* are the Chemical Engineer, while my education is Mechanical, but practice is digital and electronic. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Selden Deemer cc: PC 800 List From: David Kelly Subject: PC800: Re: Was next gen PC - now anti ABS of "Mon, 06 Nov 2000 09:09:18 EST." Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 19:20:50 -0600 Selden Deemer writes: > > I heard a MFS instructor make that argument last month. Extending the > logic, HD riders who don't wear helmets and ride around in T-shirts > should be among the most skilled riders on the road... I'm not buying > it -- my next bike will probably have ABS. Me too. The availability of ABS on motorcycles wasn't very good two years ago. Its still pretty rare. Then again I don't forsee replacing the PC in the next 5 years or so unless a pretty female person bats her eyelashes at me and says she wants a new motorcycle. In 1986 I traded a 4W disc brake 1978 Dodge Challenger (Mitsubishi) for a new VW Golf with disc/drum. Selection criteria had fuel injection high on the list as the Challenger was carburated, and the carburator was a big problem. By 1993 the selection criteria had changed once again. The VW Golf had a fine engine. The brakes stink, stank, stunk. Front/rear balance was awful. Higher end models had a balance valve mounted to the rear suspension and would proportion the brakes according to the extension of the rear suspension. ABS became my top selection criteria. DOT had mandated passive restraints and I found the motorized belts which were common then to be disgusting so the new car had to have airbags too. The 1993.5 Infiniti G20 was the best car I have ever owned. RIP. Would own a 2000 G20 if one could still buy one without a sunroof. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BillandScoot@cs.com Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 21:31:49 EST Subject: Re: PC800: PC Running lights... To: sgoldber@mc.cc.md.us, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Saul, I installed a pair of inexpensive 50 watt H-3 Halogen running lights in the wind tunnel. I have been told that is a bad place if you are an agressive driver. Been "thinking" of moving them...As far as any problems, I really haven't noticed any. I do turn them off if I get stuck at a long traffic light "just in case". Some suggestions have been to mount them under the mirror housing or on the "wings" of the front crash bar covers. As far as effect, they are great at night on the lonely country roads around here. An advantage of my mounting location, they do not shine "up" so I don't get the oncoming drivers excited. But they have eliminated the need for a brighter headlight.....hell, I have an extra 100 watts when they are on. Electrically, I connected them to the wire going into the fuse box at the headlights. I used a 10 amp in line fuse and installed a lighted toggle switch into the plastic just below the little glove box. Works for me. Other opinions will differ... Bill Richardson 98PC"Scoot" San Antonio iPCRC #906 HRCA #001137 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BillandScoot@cs.com Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 21:42:02 EST Subject: PC800: Deals Gap To: tschoepe@earthlink.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu If we can get off the oil thread that has developed lately....sorry....Is the weekend of 14-15 July still the date for the Deal's Gap run? Bill Richardson 98PC"Scoot" San Antonio iPCRC #906 HRCA #001137 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 22:06:40 -0500 Subject: Re: PC800: Deals Gap To: BillandScoot@cs.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: yankeesmuggler@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) BillandScoot@cs.com writes: >If we can get off the oil thread that has developed lately....sorry....Is the >weekend of 14-15 July still the date for the Deal's Gap run? > >Bill Richardson >98PC"Scoot" >San Antonio >iPCRC #906 HRCA #001137 That's what Francois Saint Laurent is looking into now. It looked like a good weekend, far enough away from the 4th of July so maybe the traffic will be lighter then if some riders can only make it on the weekend and want to "Do the Gap". He and I are both planning on arriving earlier in the week though. There will be more specific details to follow. Tim Davies Seneca Falls, New York 13148 '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Delivered-To: fixup-pc800@hpc.uh.edu@fixme by sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 7 Nov 2000 03:06:39 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bruce Pickett" To: Subject: PC800: Mobile 1 motorcycle oils Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 19:05:48 -0800 Sorry, I have more oily questions. I found a company called AV Lubricants that sells 10W-40 Mobile-1 synthetic motorcycle oil. Do motorcycles need an oil specifically for them, or will regular automobile oils work as well? I noticed that they also have a variety specifically for Harleys. Is there something about air-cooled V-twins that requires a special oil, or is that just marketing so they can get more money for HD branded oil? Bruce Pickett Federal Way, WA '89 PC800 "Blue Pacific" http://www.users.qwest.net/~bpickett/Blue.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ AV Lubricants, http://www.avlube.com/automotive.htm Mobil 1 MX4T 10W-40 4 Cycle Motorcycle Oil / 6 Quart case Description: 100% fully synthetic oil for use in all 4 cycle motorcycle engines. Cooler running, clean, and with the extra additization needed to protect that engine for the long run. Simply the finest oil for your four cycle motorcycle money can buy. 12 Pound $36.81 Mobil 1 MX2T 2 cycle motorcycle oil / 12 Pint case Description: This 100% synthetic 2 cycle motorcycle oil was developed in Europe for use in the Formula one bikes and is *the* oil for use in 2 cycle motorcycle engines. Cleaner burning, cooler running, with more power to the rear wheels. Incredible Oil!! 12 Pound $32.59 Mobil 1 V Twin Air cooled HD oil 6 Quart case Description: World's finest Harley Davidson engine oil!! 100% synthetic, your engine will run cooler, quieter, have more power and last longer! You will "feel" the difference with this oil in your engine. 12 Pound $37.35 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Pickett, Bruce D" To: PC800 Subject: PC800: Shiftless in Seattle - Update Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 19:31:14 -0800 Following the advice of Russ Goff, famous motorcycle mechanic from Milton Keynes, Buckinghamshire, United Kingdom, I readjusted the shift lever on Blue. I removed it and rotated it upward (counterclockwise) just one spline on the shifter shaft. I tested it while on the center stand and then took it for a ten-mile test ride, and it went easily through all the gears, never missing a gear either upshifting or downshifting. I did not really expect that such a very small change in positioning of the shift lever would make such a big difference in shifting. For those other Coasters having shifting troubles, maybe experimenting with the position of the shift lever on the shaft can help you. Here's a hint, too: when removing the lever, you have to completely remove its bolt, not just loosen it, because the bolt sits in a notch in the shaft. Thanks to everyone for their help with my problems. Bruce Pickett Federal Way, WA '89 PC800 "Blue Pacific" http://www.users.qwest.net/~bpickett/Blue.html -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bruce Pickett [mailto:bpickett@qwest.net] Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 9:01 PM To: PC800 Subject: PC800: Shiftless in Seattle At the end of my recent note telling about removing Blue's crankcase cover and replacing the clutch push rod oil seal, I made the following observation: "One thing that I noted, which may need to be looked into further, was that the bike seems to shift differently now. It is especially noticeable when downshifting into first gear. It now has a tendency to not shift down past neutral. Several times, after downshifting while coming to a stop, when I wanted to go again, I was surprised to find that the bike was in neutral. I almost dropped the bike once when turning because I was expecting it to be in first but it was instead in neutral. Now that I have the oil leak fixed, I have something else to keep me busy." Other Coasters have now mentioned to me that they have experienced similar problems downshifting into first. Does anyone have any ideas about what may cause this? I can't think of anything that I did that should have affected the transmission gears. I did accidentally overfill the oil - could that affect the shifting? Maybe the clutch isn't being fully actuated? Perhaps the shift lever is on its spline in slightly different position? Or maybe I tightened the crankcase bolts too tight? I know that I'm grasping at straws here - does anybody have a plausable explanation? (Okay, to appease Dean, implausable explanations are accepted too). Thanks, Bruce Pickett Federal Way, WA '89 PC800 "Blue Pacific" http://www.users.qwest.net/~bpickett/Blue.html removing Blue's crankcase cover and replacing the clutch push rod oil seal, I made the following observation:
"One thing that I noted, which may need to be looked into further, was that the bike seems to shift differently now. It is especially noticeable when downshifting into first gear. It now has a tendency to not shift down past neutral. Several times, after downshifting while coming to a stop, when I wanted to go again, I was surprised to find that the bike was in neutral. I almost dropped the bike once when turning because I was expecting it to be in first but it was instead in neutral. Now that I have the oil leak fixed, I have something else to keep me busy."
Other Coasters have now mentioned to me that they have experienced similar problems downshifting into first. Does anyone have any ideas about what may cause this? I can't think of anything that I did that should have affected the transmission gears. I did accidentally overfill the oil - could that affect the shifting? Maybe the clutch isn't being fully actuated? Perhaps the shift lever is on its spline in slightly different position? Or maybe I tightened the crankcase bolts too tight? I know that I'm grasping at straws here - does anybody have a plausable explanation? (Okay, to appease Dean, implausable explanations are accepted too).
 
Thanks,
 
Bruce Pickett
Federal Way, WA
'89 PC800 "Blue Pacific"
http://www.users.qwest.net/~bpickett/Blue.html

 
Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail8.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 7 Nov 2000 03:29:16 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "markie800" To: "Daryl Tschoepe" , "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Was Fly by - now Who built who? Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 21:29:13 -0600 What follows is completely non-PC related. Delete now, you have been warned ........ In 1984, McDonnell Douglas undertook the conversion of the 17 - 28 F/A-18s off the production line into Blue Angel squadron aircraft. These are the same aircraft the Blue Angels fly today. I had a small hand in the engineering and assembly of some of the specific components and neither I nor anyone else on the project worked for (or even much liked) Boeing at the time. Fast Forward to the 1998 air show season. The Blue Angels land at their manufacturing home in St. Louis in preparation for a series of performances at the St. Louis County Fair and Air Show. I'll be damned if there on the canopy sill, in letters 4 inches high, it didn't say Boeing F/A-18. News stories have even mentioned the legendary F-4 Phantom aircraft as the Boeing F-4 Phantom. At least Ford has the decency to leave the Jaguar badges on it's purchased business. Mark Gilb Arnold, Mo. 95 PC800 FAUX Daryl Tschoepe wrote ...... Doesn't count, the ones 'Merican still flies were all built in the 80's by McDD, at least the ones I ride out of Austin. _______________________________________________ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BillandScoot@cs.com Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 22:45:50 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Deals Gap To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, tschoepe@earthlink.net I'm in for the weekend. Won't be able to get there before then. Daryl, still planning on it? I have been talking to Valerie. Trying to get her to go with me for the ride, but she isn't much for riding. Bill Richardson 98PC"Scoot" San Antonio iPCRC #906 HRCA #001137 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BillandScoot@cs.com Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 23:04:33 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Fwd: PC Running lights... To: HondaMotorbike@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Ash, I looked at your MSN pictures. Looks like a possibility for the rear of the PC. But on the newer PC's the front reflector is just that, a cheapy little amber reflector screwed into the fork.... I have considered getting some small marker lights from the local salvage yard, but have been hesitant, since it would involve cutting Tupperware to mount them. Bill Richardson 98PC"Scoot" San Antonio iPCRC #906 HRCA #001137 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "Bruce Pickett" cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: PC800: Re: Mobile 1 motorcycle oils of "Mon, 06 Nov 2000 19:05:48 PST." <000e01c04867$bb4b9ce0$2a00a8c0@nt> Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 22:19:39 -0600 "Bruce Pickett" writes: > Sorry, I have more oily questions. > > I found a company called AV Lubricants that sells 10W-40 Mobile-1 synthetic > motorcycle oil. Do motorcycles need an oil specifically for them, or will > regular automobile oils work as well? I noticed that they also have a > variety specifically for Harleys. Is there something about air-cooled > V-twins that requires a special oil, or is that just marketing so they can > get more money for HD branded oil? I don't think you'll find H-D is endorsing Mobil-1 V Twin oil, as H-D has their own brand of hundred-dollar oil. Considering actual oil analysis published in MCN, and Mobil's reputation, their motorcycle blends should provide real benefits in motorcycle applications. In other words, IMHO its not a Slick-50/ SplitFire marketing ploy. AutoZone, or one of the other local parts chain stores stocks motorcycle Mobil-1. But at $8 to $10/qt. Worst case automotive 15W-50 is $4.26/qt. Hard to find but can often be found in 5 qt jugs for $15 to $17, usually at Wal-Mart, ususally not 15W-50. Expanding on what Tony said (which I also agree) you could put most modern oil in, with regular changes and a good filter, wear out the drain plug before you wear out the engine. But I use automotive Mobil-1 as a satisfactory compromise between extremes. Also my PC shifts better with Mobil-1 15W-50 than anything else I've used. Haven't tried the motorcycle blends. I have a gallon or so of Mobil Delvec 1300, a 15W-40 "truck" oil. Been meaning to try it. Supposedly its high detergent, and high anti-friction additives. Not sure where (MCN?) saw an analysis that made it hard to tell this oil from most any other. Think I paid $7.50 for the gallon. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with ESMTP Mon, 6 Nov 2000 21:06:25 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 21:03:25 -0500 To: BillandScoot@cs.com From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Deals Gap Cc: tschoepe@earthlink.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 9:42 PM -0500 11/6/00, BillandScoot@cs.com wrote: >If we can get off the oil thread that has developed lately....sorry....Is the >weekend of 14-15 July still the date for the Deal's Gap run? > >Bill Richardson 'Oil' second that motion. Yes, that is still the date for the Deal's Gap ride. I have received numerous posts regarding the dates, recommending that we do it in the week instead of on the weekend, since the road can get crowded on the weekends. Other recommendations were to have it in June, or in September, or in August... We will never find a date that appeals to everyone. So does it get crowded there on weekends? Yes, it really does, but I am assuming that most people on this list are like I am, in that they have to work for living. I hope to take a few extra days off and arrive earlier, or stay later, but I will definitely be there Friday the 13th, and will not be leaving until at least the 16th. I plan on organizing a ride along some of the area roads on Saturday, to avoid the Gap as much as possible. By Sunday afternoon, the Gap will be a lot less crowded until at least later in the day. If any of you can make it a few days earlier, or stay a few days later, it would be a very good idea. The Gap is best ridden in the week when traffic is light. If you want to look up the location of Deal's Gap, use any one of the online mapping services like http://www.maps.yahoo.com and use Tapoco, NC as your destination. I'll try to get together a few links for some of the area roads, and in a few weeks I will have some photographs taken when I was there in September/October which I will post somewhere. Ride safe... fsl :-) -- Francois Saint Laurent Ottawa, Canada , but currently in Chicago, IL 1995 PC800 Waltzing Matilda *** Top 10 Reasons to Procrastinate *** 1. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 04:14:23 -0500 From: Dennis Feeser To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Greetings from www.pc800.net If anyone is interested or knows of someone that would like to own a PC800, please let me know. I have a 1998 (red) PC 800 , 6500 well maintained miles, backrest, standard and tall windshield, luggage bags, vista throttle lock. The bike has never been down or damaged in any way. This is one of six machines i own and unfortunately, something has to go. I'll accept any reasonable offer over wholesale book value. The bike is located in Virginia with possible delivery available. Give me another excuse to ride it. Thanx Dennis Feeser 540-631-7544 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 03:33:30 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ralph Couey" To: "Pacific Coast Owners" Subject: PC800: The Big Day Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 05:33:28 -0600 To the Americans on the list: Today we have the opportunity and the privilege to fulfill our responsibility in the most important event in the life of a free and democratic society. I urge each and every one of you to take a stand and cast a vote. How and for whom you vote will be the choice of your individual will and conscience and hopefully the result of serious contemplative deliberation. And nobody else's business. It is no exaggeration to say that this is the most important election in a generation. Let us do our part to ensure that the winner, whomever it will be, ascends to office with a true electoral mandate of the people. Let Freedom Ring. Respectfully, Ralph Couey Columbia, MO '95 PC800 "Seishin No Yomichi" "A life lived without risk is no life at all." -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 07:37:49 -0400 To: "Goldberg, Saul" , "'HondaMotorbike@aol.com'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: RE: PC800: PC Running lights... Oh yeah ... when we were discussing favourite accessories last week, the 80/100 headlamp is my favourite single addition to my PC. -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G3NMH202.B2E for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 06:24:38 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Fenwick" To: "Pacific Coast Owners" Subject: Re: PC800: The Big Day Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 06:20:41 -0600 Exactly... I couldn't have said it any better, except to say "I've already voted, and rode the PC".... Thanks Ralphie. Rich Fenwick rfenwick@core.com http://pc_800.tripod.com 1990 Honda PC800 HRCA - HM725413 AMA - 361534 ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ralph Couey To: Pacific Coast Owners Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 5:33 AM Subject: PC800: The Big Day > To the Americans on the list: > > Today we have the opportunity and the privilege to fulfill our > responsibility in the most important event in the life of a free and > democratic society. I urge each and every one of you to take a stand and > cast a vote. How and for whom you vote will be the choice of your > individual will and conscience and hopefully the result of serious > contemplative deliberation. And nobody else's business. > > It is no exaggeration to say that this is the most important election in a > generation. Let us do our part to ensure that the winner, whomever it will > be, ascends to office with a true electoral mandate of the people. > > Let Freedom Ring. > > Respectfully, > > Ralph Couey > Columbia, MO > '95 PC800 "Seishin No Yomichi" > "A life lived without risk is no life at all." > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: "'Fenwick'" , Pacific Coast Owners Subject: RE: PC800: The Big Day Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 08:57:00 -0500 Vote, schmote. No matter who you vote for, someone gets elected. I urge everyone to stay at home, ESPECIALLY those who cannot decide. (Take an adult-ed course on "decision making" since you probably have this problem elsewhere in your life, as well.) Just stay home, and I will choose for everyone. Quite well, I might add. Yes, it has always amazed me that with voting as easy and reliable as it is alomst anywhere in the world, and information readily available that people willingly, WITH ATTITUDE, even, give up the right to have a say in their future to others who may have a markedly different view of that future. Vote early and vote often. -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Fenwick [mailto:rfenwick@core.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 7:21 AM To: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: The Big Day Exactly... I couldn't have said it any better, except to say "I've already voted, and rode the PC".... Thanks Ralphie. Rich Fenwick rfenwick@core.com http://pc_800.tripod.com 1990 Honda PC800 HRCA - HM725413 AMA - 361534 ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ralph Couey To: Pacific Coast Owners Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 5:33 AM Subject: PC800: The Big Day > To the Americans on the list: > > Today we have the opportunity and the privilege to fulfill our > responsibility in the most important event in the life of a free and > democratic society. I urge each and every one of you to take a stand and > cast a vote. How and for whom you vote will be the choice of your > individual will and conscience and hopefully the result of serious > contemplative deliberation. And nobody else's business. > > It is no exaggeration to say that this is the most important election in a > generation. Let us do our part to ensure that the winner, whomever it will > be, ascends to office with a true electoral mandate of the people. > > Let Freedom Ring. > > Respectfully, > > Ralph Couey > Columbia, MO > '95 PC800 "Seishin No Yomichi" > "A life lived without risk is no life at all." > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 09:43:55 -0500 (EST) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: MCN & Hondaline oil (was: Viscosity & service classification) "R. Fenwick" writes: > I'm not casting doubt on your statement Selden, but will a MCN subscriber > please confirm which Hondaline oil? Would someone be so nice as to > forward the entire statement made by MCN, so there is not confusion as > to something being taken out of context? > > I am starting to doubt a number of these oil claims that have been made > lately... This one could potentially affect a number of people on the > list, so I want the whole statement, from beginning to end, in context. > > I don't want this to sound like I'm saying "OK, prove it".... But I *do*, > want the facts. Fair enough. I happen to be working at home this morning, and have the November MCN at hand. The Molybdenum Content in Test Oils chart on page 21 shows Honda HP4 670 parts per million. An excerpt from the text of the article says: "Apollo America is the oil blender that is contracted to mix Honda's oils. Their representative, Lucas Dienes, gave us the story behind Honda's use of moly in their oils. It seems that the early GL1500 Gold Wings had a problem with an audible clunk in their transmissions that was unacceptable to the owners of those ultra-smooth machines. The fix was the addition of molybdenum to Honda's HP-4 oil. In addition Honda has now gotten reports of abnormally high idle speeds in HP-4 lubed bikes, due to the reduced friction of moly additive. To address this issue, Honda is just now introducing a new HP-4 oil without moly. The current blend with moly will continue as HP-4M, sold 'for racing applications only.'" Earlier in the article, the author (Jeffrey P. DiCarlo) writes: "Moly is added to motor oils to serve as what the industry calls a 'friction modifier.' We can think of it as a friction reducer. It excels at reducing friction in areas of metal-tometal contact, especially when heat is being generated at that point. As good as moly is at what it does, it can't distinguish between detrimental cam lobe friction and the very necessary clutch plate friction. Thus, there is concern that molybdenum might not be something you want in your wet-clutch-equipped bike...." "... In 1996, the SAE published a technical paper written by engineers from all four major Japanese motorcycle manufacturers. Their concern for this friction modifier centered around starter engagement, clutch slippage when driving and braking.... The motorcycles used for testing [in the MCN article] had no problems with manual clutch slippage due to moly in their oil. However, a source within American Honda told MCN that, while seeing no problem with near-new clutches, the wearing of the clutch plates as a bike ages and racks up the miles will increase the likelihood for slippage with moly oils." Due to copyright concerns, that's about as much as I think it's fair to quote from the MCN article. ====================================================================== Selden Deemer, Library Systems Administrator PHONE: 404-727-0271 Emory University Libraries FAX: 404-727-0053 Atlanta, Georgia EMAIL: libssd@emory.edu ====================================================================== -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: "Fenwick" , "Pacific Coast Owners" Subject: Re: PC800: The Big Day Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 06:52:05 -0800 Oregonians vote by mail, and have been for weeks. Good thing. The voter's info came in TWO volumes this time, the one on issues weighing in at 374 pages! Bill Sizemore is an activist who thinks that his opinions should all be added to the state constitution. I won't go into his ideas or his writing ability, but I will say that his name, swapping syllable position, makes a nice Couey-type pun to describe the book. Lee Barker Redmond, Oregon 95 "Secondo con Electoral" ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Fenwick" To: "Pacific Coast Owners" Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 4:20 AM Subject: Re: PC800: The Big Day > Exactly... I couldn't have said it any better, except to say "I've already > voted, and rode the PC".... > > Thanks Ralphie. > > Rich Fenwick > rfenwick@core.com > http://pc_800.tripod.com > 1990 Honda PC800 > HRCA - HM725413 > AMA - 361534 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ralph Couey > To: Pacific Coast Owners > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 5:33 AM > Subject: PC800: The Big Day > > > > To the Americans on the list: > > > > Today we have the opportunity and the privilege to fulfill our > > responsibility in the most important event in the life of a free and > > democratic society. I urge each and every one of you to take a stand and > > cast a vote. How and for whom you vote will be the choice of your > > individual will and conscience and hopefully the result of serious > > contemplative deliberation. And nobody else's business. > > > > It is no exaggeration to say that this is the most important election in a > > generation. Let us do our part to ensure that the winner, whomever it > will > > be, ascends to office with a true electoral mandate of the people. > > > > Let Freedom Ring. > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Ralph Couey > > Columbia, MO > > '95 PC800 "Seishin No Yomichi" > > "A life lived without risk is no life at all." > > > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Revill Dunn" Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 09:45:39 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Welcome Linda I'm a little bit late on this, but I've been busy. Please welcome Linda EastWind to our list. She heard that we were talking about her, and wanted to get in on the fun. Revill -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Spain, Harrison" To: "PC800 Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: PC800: The Big Day Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 07:46:50 -0800 With kids in the house, my sample ballot was tossed out with the trash; argh! No problem though, a sample ballot (for my area) is on the web along with the pros and cons for each initiative and writeups on each candidate. You can print out the sample ballot and go through the issues/candidates one by one making an informed decision. I love the Internet! :-) Voted this morning BTW :-). Harrison -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Tue, 7 Nov 2000 14:45:25 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 16:44:49 -0600 Subject: Re: PC800: The Big Day From: Daryl Tschoepe To: Pacific Coast Owners Thanks to a unique Texas institution, early voting from 14 days before the election to 3 days before the big day, I've long ago done my part... I'm frustrated that work has me out in California versus home in Austin, as no matter what the results, standing in front of the capital tonight is a chance to be a part of history in the making, and I've learned that those are moments not to be missed. Side notes, at least people are turning out...Travis County had a greater percentage of registered voters vote early than the percentage that voted at all in '96. Later, Daryl -- "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Daryl Tschoepe tschoepe@earthlink.net <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> It's possible that on 11/7/00 5:33 AM, Ralph Couey at pcstarship@home.com hurled this into the void... > To the Americans on the list: > > Today we have the opportunity and the privilege to fulfill our > responsibility in the most important event in the life of a free and > democratic society. I urge each and every one of you to take a stand and > cast a vote. How and for whom you vote will be the choice of your > individual will and conscience and hopefully the result of serious > contemplative deliberation. And nobody else's business. > > It is no exaggeration to say that this is the most important election in a > generation. Let us do our part to ensure that the winner, whomever it will > be, ascends to office with a true electoral mandate of the people. > > Let Freedom Ring. > > Respectfully, > > Ralph Couey -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 15:24:17 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Clay Leihy" To: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Viscosity & service classification Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 18:24:14 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Selden Deemer" > Choice of oil involves a lot of faith. The conventional wisdom on > synthetics is to start with petroleum through the breakin period, > then switch to synthetic. Some people claim that it's next to > impossible to get new rings to seat properly with a synthetic oil. Except, of course, for the few new (expensive) cars that come with synthetic from the factory. I guess that machine tolerances are getting better and better. > At 14,000 miles, your PC is at the right mileage for the switch. Two of > the biggest advantages of synthetics are longer intervals between oil > changes, and better lubrication at startup -- both important if you only I hope you're not saying that every last drop of the oil runs down when stopped, and that the engine is "dry" at startup, causing terrible damage. That's one of the claims that the Slick-50 people got in trouble with the Feds for. If the cheap oil that I squirt on my bicycle chain can stay clinging to it for months, even through the spinning around it does when I ride it, I'm quite confident that the enough oil can manage to hang around in the top end of my engine to protect it during startup the next morning. > ride 3000 miles a year. I think that a synthetic, changed every 12 months, > would be a good choice