(InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 06:45:50 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Don Orton" To: Subject: Re: PC800: The new message thread controversy. Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 23:39:10 -0700 I agree with Bill. I'm assuming I'm going to miss the point of Mr. Kelly's message, but I'll attempt to muster the few remaining bits of my self-esteem in order to retort: If I feel like writing on more than one subject in my messages, I will, and continue to do so. If someone cannot multi-task enough to figure out what their subject line should be without computer intervention because there were simply too many topics in another lister's message, then perhaps that someone should take a long, introspective look at exactly what in the heck they and their message were trying to accomplish in the first place. If the lesson was proper e-mail etiquette, then this is neither the time nor the place for conducting a Charm School primer. This is supposed to be a discussion forum centralized on a motorcycle. Good or bad, everyone who subscribes to this list has something to gain from the discussion as long as the message theme concerns the motorcycle and/or related subjects. If the thread, improper deletion of unneeded text, message sequencing, or the HTML format itself is causing you problems, Mr. Kelly, then you are in the minority, as nobody else on this list seems to be having the same trouble. As far as the oil business goes, I'd sure be interested in what Mr. Kanemoto, Mr. Yoshimura, Mr. Muzzy, and Dr. Taglioni have to say, regardless of their credentials, due to their extensive field experience with the subject at hand. Petroleum engineers may be able to improve the lubrication and anti-wear qualities of motor oils, but when a garden-variety oil performs as well as a high-dollar synthetic under all but the most extreme clinical tests that represent conditions that no end user would be able to duplicate in the real world, I tend to chaff off their findings as being irrelevant to me. So, why bother to even read this message? Because there's nothing like a little disagreement to liven up the chat. Nothing attracts a crowd like a crowd... Don -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 00:50:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Jesus Soriano Subject: PC800: Oil changes: Torque/Filter Wrenches To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu This "wrenching" thing is interesting. I bought the Vector Filter Wrench type B and it works great ($3.17 at Wall Mart). I also bought the Craftsman Torque Wrench at Sears ($74.89), but I didn't know they had different sizes, so I got the first one I saw and it turns out that it was a "Microtork Torque" from 3.61 to 29.03 N*m, so it will work for the filter (torque 10 N.m) but not the Drain plug (torque 35 N.m). So Rachel is seatting now in the garage dripping oil (Harley like) with a bucket under her waiting until I can go to Sears tomorrow to change the torque wrench and finish the project. (I hope it's Ok to leave her like that, with no oil, and with the filter, draining plug, and dipstick removed). Anyway, as I said, this is an interesting and new world for me. I have been riding for 32 years, but this is the first time I have changed the oil all by myself. Now that I have the tools it will be much cheaper to do it in the future, so I guess I'll have to do it very often (maybe every other week) so I can pay myself $50 dollars everytime and use the money for all those rides I have been meaning to take .... I knew there was something to this wrenching thing! Oil changes, anyone? Jesus Soriano, '95 PC "Dripping Rachel" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 01:00:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Jesus Soriano Subject: PC800: Superbike World Championship To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I just got an unexpected e-mail: My friends with the VFRs were so impressed with the performance of my "fat ass" motorcycle when we went to the twisties a few weeks ago, that they have invited me to accompany them to the Superbike World Championship in Laguna Seca next week-end. I have never been to any bike races, but any excuse is good to go for a ride, specially since to get to Monterey I'll be "forced" to take Highway 1: The Pacific Coast Highway .... Are any of you going?. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: xcontrol@erols.com To: "Jesus Soriano" Cc: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: RE: PC800: Oil changes: Torque/Filter Wrenches Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 06:53:23 -0400 Importance: Normal That's so great! You will be so much better off doing it on your own. Now you can do it at your schedule, low cost and know its done right. There is no problem leaving it without oil for this amount of time, since there is still a coating on all the parts. Good luk with the remainder of it and have fun! Chris -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of Jesus Soriano Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 3:51 AM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Oil changes: Torque/Filter Wrenches This "wrenching" thing is interesting. I bought the Vector Filter Wrench type B and it works great ($3.17 at Wall Mart). I also bought the Craftsman Torque Wrench at Sears ($74.89), but I didn't know they had different sizes, so I got the first one I saw and it turns out that it was a "Microtork Torque" from 3.61 to 29.03 N*m, so it will work for the filter (torque 10 N.m) but not the Drain plug (torque 35 N.m). So Rachel is seatting now in the garage dripping oil (Harley like) with a bucket under her waiting until I can go to Sears tomorrow to change the torque wrench and finish the project. (I hope it's Ok to leave her like that, with no oil, and with the filter, draining plug, and dipstick removed). Anyway, as I said, this is an interesting and new world for me. I have been riding for 32 years, but this is the first time I have changed the oil all by myself. Now that I have the tools it will be much cheaper to do it in the future, so I guess I'll have to do it very often (maybe every other week) so I can pay myself $50 dollars everytime and use the money for all those rides I have been meaning to take .... I knew there was something to this wrenching thing! Oil changes, anyone? Jesus Soriano, '95 PC "Dripping Rachel" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KGray96057@aol.com for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 07:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 07:33:54 EDT Subject: PC800: Oil To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu One of my old friends had a VW wagon. Old thing. Ugly. Dependable as dirt for many years. (The advantages of stark mechanical simplicity) At some point, he felt the need to start checking into it's current state of repair. (Typically human. If something's been trouble free for a while, we start to fear impending disaster.) He couldn't remember ever changing the oil, so we checked the dipstick first. No oil. In disbelief, we pulled the drain plug. Nothing came out. We put it back together, drove it- ran fine- down to the local gas station. Put oil in. Still ran fine. I've had several tough little cars in my time. Beaters. $400 cars that barely qualified as transportation. In these I've mixed regular oil and synthetic, different weight oils... Never seemed to hurt em. None of these things died- when they did die- from any oil related problem. As far as the PC goes... I like Mobil One... But... If push came to shove... I really think that any well rated oil would do the trick. Now, if y'all will excuse me, Blazing Saddles is on TNT, and Bart just got to Rock Ridge. Kendall 95 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "MTW" To: "Ow Yong See Meng" , "Pc800 (E-mail)" Subject: Re: PC800: Numb Feelings Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 08:09:40 -0400 When I first started riding the PC my right hand would start to go numb, but only after 1500-2000 miles. Wearing some type of padding across my palm seemed to help some. I replaced the stock grips with foam grips and installed a Vista Cruise and these made a major improvement. I don't think these mods will help much if you notice the numbness after only 20 min. I think my problem was from putting continuious pressere on the nerve that runs through the palm of my hand. If I noticed numbness in both hands after only 20 minutes I would suspect the seating position is causing a vertibrae to press on a nerve in my back. I would suggest seeing a doctor to confirm this and might try raising the handlebars and/or installing a new aftermarket seat to change your seating position. Good luck Mike Whited ' 94 PC Columbus Ohio enough to notice an improvement. I don't think ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ow Yong See Meng To: Pc800 (E-mail) Date: Friday, June 30, 2000 9:30 PM Subject: PC800: Numb Feelings >Hi, >Do you have this numb feelings at the fingers when cruising your Pc800 after >20mins. I am still having this numbness on my both hands even though I'm >wearing gloves. Any recommendation from our PC friends? > >Robin >96 PC800 >FN8747G >Singapore >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: "J Serlo" , "PC 800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: Do-It-Yerself Powdercoating Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 06:55:07 -0700 Joe: You are amazing, just as amazing as this list. Is there any skill (relative to PCs) that is not represented here? We have oil, tires, petroleum, plastic repair, foam, helmets, and what else.... Ann (I hope she is recuperating rapidly) and her machinist who makes the accessory parts. Lessee, wasn't there a radio person? And now powder coating! Oh yeah, and wood. I made the maple handlebar risers, remember? Any other skills/knowledge to add? Lee Barker 95 "Secondo con Maypo" ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J Serlo" To: "PC 800 List" Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 6:45 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Do-It-Yerself Powdercoating > --- Guys, > > Powder coating is how I make a living. > I sell pretreatment for paint. > > > If you are going to strip the ends and paint them. > > I would strongly suggest the ends be degreased well. > Brake cleaner would be fine. > Then Cleaned with 2-8 %By volume Phosphoric acid > cleaner till finish is bright 1-4 min soak Room temp. > This step removes the oxides > then rinsed well dried then painted. > This will give a good surface for the paint to stick. > Use all protective gear to do it safe in well > ventilated area and dispose of all materials properly. > > This will help keep the paint where you want it. > > One last point good paint is a must. > Any questions on treating metals and different alloys > let me know. Please ask. > > Joe > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: "Clay Leihy" , "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: Numb Feelings Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 06:55:54 -0700 > I wear gloves (by Olympia) with gel in the palms. Very comfy, and much > easier to install than aftermarket grips. > > Clay Leihy Just wondering if they affect your handwriting, Clay... Lee -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: Subject: PC800: David Kelly's point and on Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 07:02:42 -0700 I appreciate David's education about email. I am low on vocabulary in = this department and try to ingest everything I can. Some weeks ago there was a post by someone who admitted they don't = subscribe (because of the volume of mail) but just tune in on occasion. = I think it was Dean. Anyway, I thought then (and am acting on it now) that we would do a = service to such folks by being in tune with the subject line and making = sure it is specific. I know I am guilty of not following my own recommendation here. I am = wearing a hair shirt as I type this. Too often I treat the subject line = more as a headline (read me! read me!)than as a useful label. Lee Barker 95 "Secondo con Brio" this.  Too=20 often I treat the subject line more as a headline (read me! read = me!)than as a=20 useful label.
 
Lee Barker
95 "Secondo con Brio"
 
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 14:02:46 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Don Orton" To: Subject: PC800: Many topics here... Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 06:54:38 -0700 In case anyone gets confused, I changed the "subject" line on this message to reflect the true content, but make no mistake, it is a reply to another lister's query. Just wanted to clear that up. Jesus - I'll be there, all three days. Funny, I'll be riding there with a VFR guy as well, up Highway 1. Mr. Kelly, if you'd like to call in any air strikes, I'll be in the Turn 4 bleachers on Sunday. Rich, c'mon down! If you're headed to Phoenix, let me know in advance and we'll sit down for a bite. Honestly, there are no bared fangs on this end. Any oil you want to use is fine with me - you're my new best friend :-) If I name my bike as so many of you have done, am I then required to paint said name on the rear trunk lid (a.k.a. "the stern") like boat captains do on ships? Don ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jesus Soriano To: Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 1:00 AM Subject: PC800: Superbike World Championship > I just got an unexpected e-mail: > > My friends with the VFRs were so impressed with the > performance of my "fat ass" motorcycle when we went to > the twisties a few weeks ago, that they have invited > me to accompany them to the Superbike World > Championship in Laguna Seca next week-end. I have > never been to any bike races, but any excuse is good > to go for a ride, specially since to get to Monterey > I'll be "forced" to take Highway 1: The Pacific Coast > Highway .... > > Are any of you going?. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. <000201bfe365$8cfdab60$4c09b0d8@v6t4o3> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 10:14:33 -0400 To: "Great Ned" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Do-It-Yerself Powdercoating Cc: "J Serlo" , "PC 800 List" At 6:55 AM -0700 7/1/00, Great Ned wrote: > >We have oil, tires, petroleum, plastic repair, foam, helmets, and what >else.... > > >Any other skills/knowledge to add? > > >Lee Barker >95 "Secondo con Maypo" Hi Lee. I have a skill that you didn't mention on your list, and that might pertain to the PC800. I can ride it.... I'm currently on a quest to wear out the tread right to the edge of the tires. I've already worn some tread off far closer to the edge of the tire than a co-worker with a ZX-11. He still thinks I took the tires from another bike to mount on mine! He can't believe that the PC800 will lean over far enough to get to within a half inch of the tires edge. I am looking forward to the September Y2K ride. Has everyone booked their lodging yet? I still need to do that, and am hoping it is not already booked up anywhere. Ride safe. fsl -- Francois Saint Laurent Ottawa, Canada 1995 PC800 Waltzing Matilda *** Top 10 Reasons to Procrastinate *** 1. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 14:17:14 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Don Orton" To: Subject: Re: PC800: David Kelly's point and on Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 07:10:40 -0700 Hmmm...point taken. I am used to a bit less formality (and a Ton less = volume) on the TDM list. We simply let fly with whatever is on our = minds. In order to not ruffle feathers any further, I'll take Lee's = suggestion into consideration next time I feel like floating multiple = topics out to the list in one message. However, chew on this...if we = were to all get everything we needed to say out in a single message = instead of many shorter messages, wouldn't volume of message traffic be = reduced to the point where Dean might stay on the list full-time? Don ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Great Ned=20 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu=20 Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 7:02 AM Subject: PC800: David Kelly's point and on I appreciate David's education about email. I am low on vocabulary in = this department and try to ingest everything I can. Some weeks ago there was a post by someone who admitted they don't = subscribe (because of the volume of mail) but just tune in on occasion. = I think it was Dean. Anyway, I thought then (and am acting on it now) that we would do a = service to such folks by being in tune with the subject line and making = sure it is specific. I know I am guilty of not following my own recommendation here. I am = wearing a hair shirt as I type this. Too often I treat the subject line = more as a headline (read me! read me!)than as a useful label. Lee Barker 95 "Secondo con Brio" this.  Too=20 often I treat the subject line more as a headline (read me! read = me!)than as a=20 useful label.
 
Lee Barker
95 "Secondo con Brio"
 
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ahall77379@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 11:28:21 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: Oil hype To: Jeff@foarm.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 6/30/00 10:49:49 AM Central Daylight Time, Jeff@foarm.com writes: << Dispite all the claims, OIL DOES NOT BREAK DOWN. >> Don, I am no oil expert, not even a novice! But,there are methods of measuring oil viscosity. This is done on large diesel engines ( we're talking ships) in order to be sure that the oil has not been contaminated by fuel or water. Point is, the same tests can be done on oil after being drained out of a gasoline engine. There are many possible explanations, but synthetic oil seems to retain its viscosity much longer than dino oil. Of course, this info comes from various sites on the internet, including MCN, but I find that my valve train seems to be as smooth and quiet at the 3000 mile interval as it was at the oil/filter service with the synthetic. Sometimes with the dino, as the oil neared the service interval, I would hear the valves clatter a bit after pulling off the road after an extended run down the highway at normal speeds. After gassing up the bike, the clatter ( mild though it is) is gone. This does not occur with the synthetic. YMMV Alan in Houston 89' Rifle +2 Vista Cruise Audiovox CCS-100 cruise control Tour Master tankbag Utopia Driver's backrest Hondaline passenger backrest Dunlop K555's Mobil 1 15w-50 Cycle Mate CM 2000 trailer Hitch Doc hitch GenMar risers - ahhhh! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaPC800Rider@aol.com for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 11:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 11:34:11 EDT Subject: PC800: My first "extended' PC ride... To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Decided to take some familiar backroads on my new-to-me-last-week 97 PC. Work doesn't allow me much riding time, but this morning work doesn't begin until 1230! IN SHORT, IT WAS EXCELLENT! Good smooth ride with my new K555f and 177 R and new Mobil 1 M 10W40 in the crankcase and new grips on the bars... Took along my six-pack cooler for a quick bit o' breakfast, love that trunk... Even better with the trunk lights now in, those were a pain in the arse, though, but are straight and look good! Did about 110 miles backroads and 80 on the interstate, I must say I can't wait for my HondalineTall screen from Waynesville Cycle to arrive, too much buffeting up top... Best of all, I ended up with 178 miles on a full tank, 4.02 to fill it ... and yes, that needle was right up to the hose! Troy Doyle 1997 PC800 "I will call her, Gabrielle" Goose Creek, SC USA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 16:44:34 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Don Orton" To: Subject: PC800: PC's for sale Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 09:43:31 -0700 In today's Arizona Republic newspaper: '89 Pacific Coast, 55K miles, good condition, new tires, current registration. $2000. (520) 759-9411 '90 Pacific Coast, candy apple red, well maintained, low mi, excellent cond, always garaged. $3750. (623) 566-8372 In the Online Cycle Trader: PC 800, engine only, $600. I forgot the number, but you can check it out yourselves if interested. I have not called on these to check availability. Naturally, I'll be willing to serve as scooter scout to those in other parts of the country if necessary. Don -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Beau Williams" To: "Great Ned" , Subject: PC800: Read Me! Read Me! Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 11:54:45 -0700 Lee; What, pray tell, is a "hair shirt"? ...Yweuuuuu!!!! "Darth" Beau -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: sge2000@att.net by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 18:53:51 +0000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) Subject: Re: PC800: Read Me! Read Me! Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 18:53:50 +0000 Beau, Per Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary: Main Entry: hair shirt Function: noun ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 14th century 1 : a shirt made of rough animal hair worn next to the skin as a penance 2 : one that irritates like a hair shirt Think of it as a more stylish, up-to-date version of sackcloth and ashes. -- Steve Ewens Lee's Summit, MO '89 PC800 > Lee; > > What, pray tell, is a "hair shirt"? > > > ...Yweuuuuu!!!! > > "Darth" Beau > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: sge2000@att.net by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 19:02:07 +0000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) Subject: RE: PC800: Re: Backrest Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 19:02:06 +0000 The Hondaline backrest is now mounted. Looks great and is very functional. Thanks to Ron Kimball and to all who sent info or advice; particularly to Bob Lechner for the scans of the original instructions. For anyone needing those directions in the future, see Bob's original message, below. If those become unavailable, I have them saved to disk and would be happy to send them to anyone who needs them. I have seen several references to the difficulty of installing the passenger seat bolts, particularly in the context of installing the Hondaline backrest. In my case, the entire process was extremely straightforward, with no difficulties at all. I'm sure the original instructions and all the advice helped. Perhaps also the correctness of fit of the seat varies from year to year and from PC to PC within the same year? -- Steve Ewens Lee's Summit, MO '89 PC800 > Steve-- > I uploaded scans to a 'hidden' area of my home page for you. Didn't want to > post them here, since they are almost 500K each...no need to clog up mail > servers any more than they already are! > > The scans are full size .BMP's at 200dpi. Should be very readable if viewed > or printed. They will take a little while to come up due to size and > depending on how busy Geocities may be. > > To access these scans of the original PC800 backrest intructions, just go > to: > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9663/Pc8back1.bmp and... > > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9663/Pc8back2.bmp . > > Let me know if any problems and I hope they help. > > -------------------------------- > Bob Lechner, Erie, PA > 1998 PC800 "Rosebud" > 11550 smiles since 4 August 1998 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of > sge2000@att.net > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 11:56 PM > To: Ron Kimball > Cc: PC800 List > Subject: PC800: Re: Backrest > > > Per Ron's advice, does anyone on the list have the > original instructions for installing the Hondaline > backrest? Sure would like to hear from anyone who does, > or who has any other info/advice to offer on the topic. > Thanks. > > And thanks to you, Ron, for the backrest and the advice! > > -- > Steve Ewens > Lee's Summit, MO > '89 PC800 > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 12:30:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Roger Ries Subject: Re: PC800: Numb Feelings To: Ow Yong See Meng Cc: PC800 Keep the wrist straight. Relax the grip. One thing that happened to me was the glove its self. They were comfy but a little tight at the fingers. They would get numb after a while. Try different gloves. --- Ow Yong See Meng wrote: > Hi, > Do you have this numb feelings at the fingers when > cruising your Pc800 after > 20mins. I am still having this numbness on my both > hands even though I'm > wearing gloves. Any recommendation from our PC > friends? > > Robin > 96 PC800 > FN8747G > Singapore > -- ===== Later Roger R Chaska, MN '98 PC800W - Red Alert PCOG/PCOC #74, HSTA #8516RG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Beau Williams" To: , "PC800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: Read Me! Read Me! Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 12:44:04 -0700 Again; I say... ...Yweuuu!!! Besides; I'm not entirely sure that's what Lee meant! ...Darth -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 13:01:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Atkins Subject: Re: PC800: Do-It-Yerself Powdercoating To: Great Ned , J Serlo , PC 800 List I too, was amazed that we have plane loaders/balancers and a poweder coater guy. I am a therapist working with children and juvenile delinquints. So far, I'd say my skills are not needed, unless any of you commit crimes on a regular basis! What's up with Ann? I did not hear that she was ill. Also, based on Ann's ability as role model, I bought a dremel tool to install my footpegs, we shall see if I ever use it again! Paul in Green Bay --- Great Ned wrote: > Joe: > > You are amazing, just as amazing as this list. > > Is there any skill (relative to PCs) that is not represented here? > > We have oil, tires, petroleum, plastic repair, foam, helmets, and > what > else.... > > Ann (I hope she is recuperating rapidly) and her machinist who makes > the > accessory parts. > > Lessee, wasn't there a radio person? > > And now powder coating! > > Oh yeah, and wood. I made the maple handlebar risers, remember? > > Any other skills/knowledge to add? > > > Lee Barker > 95 "Secondo con Maypo" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Serlo" > To: "PC 800 List" > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 6:45 PM > Subject: Re: PC800: Do-It-Yerself Powdercoating > > > > --- Guys, > > > > Powder coating is how I make a living. > > I sell pretreatment for paint. > > > > > > If you are going to strip the ends and paint them. > > > > I would strongly suggest the ends be degreased well. > > Brake cleaner would be fine. > > Then Cleaned with 2-8 %By volume Phosphoric acid > > cleaner till finish is bright 1-4 min soak Room temp. > > This step removes the oxides > > then rinsed well dried then painted. > > This will give a good surface for the paint to stick. > > Use all protective gear to do it safe in well > > ventilated area and dispose of all materials properly. > > > > This will help keep the paint where you want it. > > > > One last point good paint is a must. > > Any questions on treating metals and different alloys > > let me know. Please ask. > > > > Joe > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body > of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by rad.ktc.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2000 22:05:31 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve Schiavo" To: Subject: PC800: Looking for a PC800 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 17:06:18 -0500 I'd like to find a nice PC800 in the San Antonio/Austin area, more or = less ... in like new condition, low miles, affordable. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Will Edwards" To: , "PC800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: Read Me! Read Me! Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 15:57:51 -0700 I am no longer amazed at what can be learned on a motorcycle related site. Can't wait to use "hair shirt" in conversation. Will Edwards rstar@aa.net http://www.crosswinds.net/~cyclewill/ Washington State 96 Honda PC800 Focus your eyes to where you want to be, Not to where you are afraid of falling to.... . -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: sge2000@att.net >Per Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary: > >Main Entry: hair shirt >Function: noun >Date: 14th century >1 : a shirt made of rough animal hair worn next to the >skin as a penance >2 : one that irritates like a hair shirt > >Think of it as a more stylish, up-to-date version of >sackcloth and ashes. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP Sat, 1 Jul 2000 16:00:59 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ralph Couey" To: "Will Edwards" , , "PC800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: Read Me! Read Me! Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 18:00:15 -0500 What I want to know is if the hair shirt provides superior abrasion protection to, say, an Aerostich jacket. --Ralph ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Will Edwards" To: ; "PC800 List" Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 5:57 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Read Me! Read Me! > I am no longer amazed at what can be learned on a motorcycle related > site. Can't wait to use "hair shirt" in conversation. > > Will Edwards rstar@aa.net > http://www.crosswinds.net/~cyclewill/ > Washington State > 96 Honda PC800 > Focus your eyes to where you want to be, > Not to where you are afraid of falling to.... > . > -----Original Message----- > From: sge2000@att.net > >Per Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary: > > > >Main Entry: hair shirt > >Function: noun > >Date: 14th century > >1 : a shirt made of rough animal hair worn next to the > >skin as a penance > >2 : one that irritates like a hair shirt > > > >Think of it as a more stylish, up-to-date version of > >sackcloth and ashes. > > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 16:09:05 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ralph Couey" To: "Pacific Coast Owners" Subject: PC800: Maintenance, etc Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 18:08:21 -0500 Changed the oil today and used the Mobil 1 V-Twin oil and a filter I bought through Dennis Kirk for $6.25. Intellectually, I know that the bike would do just fine on regular oil, but somehow when I put the good stuff in, Seishin seems to radiate a little more good karma. And the shifting seems to be smoother. I then washed and waxed two coats, spent a good hour on the wheels and now the bike really shines. To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, "The best thing for the inside of a rider is the outside of a motorcycle." Hopefully will be ordering my new back tire next Friday. How's that? Covered three controversial threads in one post! --Ralph -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Will Edwards" To: "PC800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: Read Me! Read Me! Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 16:15:05 -0700 Also, do you have to use dandruff shampoo when cleaning the "hair shirt"? Will Edwards rstar@aa.net http://www.crosswinds.net/~cyclewill/ Washington State 96 Honda PC800 Focus your eyes to where you want to be, Not to where you are afraid of falling to.... . -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ralph Couey >What I want to know is if the hair shirt provides superior abrasion >protection to, say, an Aerostich jacket. > >--Ralph >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Will Edwards" >> I am no longer amazed at what can be learned on a motorcycle related >> site. Can't wait to use "hair shirt" in conversation. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sge2000@att.net >> >Per Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary: >> > >> >Main Entry: hair shirt >> >Function: noun >> >Date: 14th century >> >1 : a shirt made of rough animal hair worn next to the >> >skin as a penance >> >2 : one that irritates like a hair shirt >> > >> >Think of it as a more stylish, up-to-date version of >> >sackcloth and ashes. >> > >> >> >> -- >> Visit the PC800 web page at >> To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >> message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >> To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: Subject: PC800: non-PC: Cushmans Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 16:23:38 -0700 Sorry to take up bandwith with airballs like this, but I just wanted to = offer closure on my equally fluffy post last night. In 5 hours we got both Cushmans running. That's Lou Brochetti, ace = boatbuilder, Cushman restorer etc etc. We are all set for the big = parade on Tuesday. The PC stood stoically by, nobly noting that this was a brief fling and = that if I wanted to spend a Saturday with a two wheeler that had to = struggle to go 'round the block, it would not be long before I would = remember where my real motored-cycle destiny lay. =20 Lee 95 "Secondo con Patiencio" two=20 wheeler that had to struggle to go 'round the block, it would not be = long before=20 I would remember where my real motored-cycle destiny lay.  =
 
Lee
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-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: "Steve Schiavo" , Subject: Re: PC800: Looking for a PC800 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 16:16:00 -0700 . in like new condition, low miles, affordable. Ah, Steve, the equivalent of the real estate order: A little bitty house with a whole lot of great big rooms, no down and = low monthly payments. :) Lee Barker 95 "Secondo con Brio" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: "Ralph Couey" , "Will Edwards" , , "PC800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: Read Me! Read Me! Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 16:32:05 -0700 > What I want to know is if the hair shirt provides superior abrasion > protection to, say, an Aerostich jacket. > > --Ralph No but you spend more time afterwards regretting whatever you did to become abraded. Lee memo to Ralph: See 2 Kings 1:8. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Will Edwards" > To: ; "PC800 List" > Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 5:57 PM > Subject: Re: PC800: Read Me! Read Me! > > > > I am no longer amazed at what can be learned on a motorcycle related > > site. Can't wait to use "hair shirt" in conversation. > > > > Will Edwards rstar@aa.net > > http://www.crosswinds.net/~cyclewill/ > > Washington State > > 96 Honda PC800 > > Focus your eyes to where you want to be, > > Not to where you are afraid of falling to.... > > . > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sge2000@att.net > > >Per Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary: > > > > > >Main Entry: hair shirt > > >Function: noun > > >Date: 14th century > > >1 : a shirt made of rough animal hair worn next to the > > >skin as a penance > > >2 : one that irritates like a hair shirt > > > > > >Think of it as a more stylish, up-to-date version of > > >sackcloth and ashes. > > > > > > > > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 21:25:33 -0400 From: Dale To: Ahall77379@aol.com CC: Jeff@foarm.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Oil hype I deserve a pat on the back. I just figured out what dino oil is. Ahall77379@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/30/00 10:49:49 AM Central Daylight Time, Jeff@foarm.com > writes: > > << Dispite all the claims, OIL DOES NOT BREAK DOWN. >> > > Don, > > I am no oil expert, not even a novice! But,there are methods of measuring oil > viscosity. This is done on large diesel engines ( we're talking ships) in > order to be sure that the oil has not been contaminated by fuel or water. > Point is, the same tests can be done on oil after being drained out of a > gasoline engine. There are many possible explanations, but synthetic oil > seems to retain its viscosity much longer than dino oil. Of course, this info > comes from various sites on the internet, including MCN, but I find that my > valve train seems to be as smooth and quiet at the 3000 mile interval as it > was at the oil/filter service with the synthetic. Sometimes with the dino, as > the oil neared the service interval, I would hear the valves clatter a bit > after pulling off the road after an extended run down the highway at normal > speeds. After gassing up the bike, the clatter ( mild though it is) is gone. > This does not occur with the synthetic. YMMV > > Alan in Houston 89' > > Rifle +2 > Vista Cruise > Audiovox CCS-100 cruise control > Tour Master tankbag > Utopia Driver's backrest > Hondaline passenger backrest > Dunlop K555's > Mobil 1 15w-50 > Cycle Mate CM 2000 trailer > Hitch Doc hitch > GenMar risers - ahhhh! > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- "They're all lying. Your job is to figure out who's lying least." - Dale -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: Subject: PC800: Washington State riders: help Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 19:20:13 -0700 Hi coasters, evergreen stateside: Adam, visiting here aboard his BMW GS, is looking for a scenic way = across the Cascades to Seattle. What do you recommend? He may be crossing the Columbia midstate. He may be coming via Portland, but wants to avoid I-5 Address Adam at this email. Thanks! Lee
 
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-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP Sat, 1 Jul 2000 19:28:27 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ralph Couey" To: "Great Ned" , "Will Edwards" , , "PC800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: Read Me! Read Me! Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 21:27:38 -0500 Now that I'd like to see: An Abraded Hair Shirt. --Ralph ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: "Ralph Couey" ; "Will Edwards" ; ; "PC800 List" Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 6:32 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Read Me! Read Me! > > > > What I want to know is if the hair shirt provides superior abrasion > > protection to, say, an Aerostich jacket. > > > > --Ralph > > No but you spend more time afterwards regretting whatever you did to become > abraded. > > Lee > > memo to Ralph: See 2 Kings 1:8. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Will Edwards" > > To: ; "PC800 List" > > Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 5:57 PM > > Subject: Re: PC800: Read Me! Read Me! > > > > > > > I am no longer amazed at what can be learned on a motorcycle related > > > site. Can't wait to use "hair shirt" in conversation. > > > > > > Will Edwards rstar@aa.net > > > http://www.crosswinds.net/~cyclewill/ > > > Washington State > > > 96 Honda PC800 > > > Focus your eyes to where you want to be, > > > Not to where you are afraid of falling to.... > > > . > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sge2000@att.net > > > >Per Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary: > > > > > > > >Main Entry: hair shirt > > > >Function: noun > > > >Date: 14th century > > > >1 : a shirt made of rough animal hair worn next to the > > > >skin as a penance > > > >2 : one that irritates like a hair shirt > > > > > > > >Think of it as a more stylish, up-to-date version of > > > >sackcloth and ashes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 20:09:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Atkins Subject: PC800: I have a screw loose To: Pacific Coast List Posting Hello all, I was installling the Ann Reid highway pegs today, and when I took off the front crash bar cover, on the right, I was surprised to learn that the allen screw (what size is that?) was gone, as was the fastener that holds the bumper cover to the front lower tupperware. When I had work done at the dealer this spring, they were too careless or lazy to put it back the right way. It makes me sick. On a positive note, the install went well! Thanks Ann! Paul in Green Bay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 20:21:43 -0700 (PDT) From: J Serlo Subject: PC800: Windsheild Mod To: PC 800 List I once saw a link for some modification for the windshield. I think the guy had attached plexiglass to the windshield as an extension. Does anyone know where that link is? I don't remember how it looked. I probably should order the Clearview but to cheap right now. Hey and the Hair Shirt thing is scarring me. Joe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 22:26:30 -0500 From: Tony Miller To: pc800 mailinglist Subject: PC800: Insurance for $50 I just want to do a reality check. I am buying liability insurance from Progressive for $50 a year. This seems ridiculously cheap. Is anyone else buying from them? Tony -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Paco Solis" To: , "pc800 mailinglist" Subject: Re: PC800: Insurance for $50 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 20:45:12 -0700 Yup! $50/year That is what I am paying also! Actually it's only $45.00 but Progressive has a $50.00 minimum for transactions. Or so my agent told me. -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Tony Miller To: pc800 mailinglist Date: Saturday, July 01, 2000 8:26 PM Subject: PC800: Insurance for $50 >I just want to do a reality check. I am buying liability insurance from >Progressive for $50 a year. This seems ridiculously cheap. Is anyone >else buying from them? > >Tony >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Paco Solis" To: "Great Ned" , "Clay Leihy" , "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: Numb Feelings Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 20:51:33 -0700 Na Na Na! You all got it wrong! Just Back off on the Handle-Bar Mounted Water Bong and the Numbness will Subside! ;-) Always prepared to never take life serious. -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Great Ned To: Clay Leihy ; PC800 Mailing List Date: Saturday, July 01, 2000 6:58 AM Subject: Re: PC800: Numb Feelings > > >> I wear gloves (by Olympia) with gel in the palms. Very comfy, and much >> easier to install than aftermarket grips. >> >> Clay Leihy > >Just wondering if they affect your handwriting, Clay... > >Lee > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: sge2000@att.net by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 04:09:04 +0000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) Subject: Re: PC800: Read Me! Read Me! Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 04:09:03 +0000 The real drawback with a hair shirt is, of course, the cost of all that constant barbering. And there's nothing sadder than a hair shirt gone bald. (Of course, some women find that attractive.) -- Steve Ewens Lee's Summit, MO '89 PC800 > Now that I'd like to see: An Abraded Hair Shirt. > --Ralph > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Great Ned" > To: "Ralph Couey" ; "Will Edwards" ; > ; "PC800 List" > Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 6:32 PM > Subject: Re: PC800: Read Me! Read Me! > > > > > > > > > What I want to know is if the hair shirt provides superior abrasion > > > protection to, say, an Aerostich jacket. > > > > > > --Ralph > > > > No but you spend more time afterwards regretting whatever you did to > become > > abraded. > > > > Lee > > > > memo to Ralph: See 2 Kings 1:8. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Will Edwards" > > > To: ; "PC800 List" > > > Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 5:57 PM > > > Subject: Re: PC800: Read Me! Read Me! > > > > > > > > > > I am no longer amazed at what can be learned on a motorcycle related > > > > site. Can't wait to use "hair shirt" in conversation. > > > > > > > > Will Edwards rstar@aa.net > > > > http://www.crosswinds.net/~cyclewill/ > > > > Washington State > > > > 96 Honda PC800 > > > > Focus your eyes to where you want to be, > > > > Not to where you are afraid of falling to.... > > > > . > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: sge2000@att.net > > > > >Per Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary: > > > > > > > > > >Main Entry: hair shirt > > > > >Function: noun > > > > >Date: 14th century > > > > >1 : a shirt made of rough animal hair worn next to the > > > > >skin as a penance > > > > >2 : one that irritates like a hair shirt > > > > > > > > > >Think of it as a more stylish, up-to-date version of > > > > >sackcloth and ashes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > > > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > > > > -- > > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > > > > > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: "J Serlo" , "PC 800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: Windsheild Mod Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 21:21:54 -0700 I did that and then sold the windshield to Maybe Chris Norloff? Can't remember. I just used a piece of lexan (circle R) about 14" wide and 6 or 7 inches high. Rounded the outboard corners, drilled it, and then mated it to the windshield (it took to the curve) and drilled them together. Used 8/32 bolts. Sure cut down the turbulence. Lee Barker 95 "Secondo con Brio" ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J Serlo" To: "PC 800 List" Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 8:21 PM Subject: PC800: Windsheild Mod > I once saw a link for some modification for the > windshield. I think the guy had attached plexiglass > to the windshield as an extension. Does anyone know > where that link is? I don't remember how it looked. I > probably should order the Clearview but to cheap right > now. > > Hey and the Hair Shirt thing is scarring me. > Joe > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: , "pc800 mailinglist" Subject: Re: PC800: Insurance for $50 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 21:22:49 -0700 Yup, but I have collision too, which I utilized last fall. They were fair and prompt in the claim. Lee Barker 95 "Secondo con Brio" > I just want to do a reality check. I am buying liability insurance from > Progressive for $50 a year. This seems ridiculously cheap. Is anyone > else buying from them? > > Tony > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 00:46:36 -0400 From: "John T. Quinn" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Kisan Modulator Hi Everyone, Installed a Kisan Modulator today and it's great! It was easy to install and now I'm getting waves from on-coming traffic and notice that people are looking at me as I travel down the highway. I recommend to anyone on the list thinking about a headlight modulator. I also plan to install the taillight system as well. Anyone got a complete tool kit for sale. I find that the previous owner lost a few of the tools out of the pack. I've order a Clearview +3 for my bike and will have a brand new windshield for sale, only been on the bike a few weeks, no chips, cracks or marks. Any idea what it's worth? Thanks, John Quinn 1990 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ahall77379@aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 00:52:42 EDT Subject: PC800: Re: how was your trip? To: defrue@hotmail.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hey Don! I sent you a couple of e-mails about the trip. Maybe you did not receive them? I am sending this one to you and the list, so you should get it twice. Let me tell you, I was one tired puppy when I returned from the ride. I parked the bike and did not touch it for three weeks! I rode it around the neighborhood the other night, though. (Down to the stop-n-go for a six pack and back home. Now that's a ride!) I also wore out the rear K-555 which was new last spring. (that's one reason I have not ridden it to be truthfull) I can tell you that the PC performed flawlessly, as did the trailer. Glad I had it. We ended up going through Little Rock and then south into Louisiana instead of going through Vicksburg in order to avoid the rain. I am getting the fever to be out on the road again, but I will probably never ride that far again unless I am on a larger bike. I would like to be able to have more ergonomic options on a ride that long. That said, I intend to keep riding the PC for quite a while. I'll just limit my rides to a two state limit! OK, maybe three if headed east! As far as tires, since this is being posted to the list, I am considering all brands (all brands?) at this time. I am also too lazy to search the archives (the nerve!) & what's the point of the list if not to gab about tires and such? The PC requires a 140/80-15, but I am wondering who (whom said the grammermaniac) has tried a 140/90-15 in say an Elite or any other type of tire. There are quite a few brands/models of this size on the market. Yes, let's stop with the oil thread and go back to the tire thread! Glad I am fortunate enough to have a 4 day weekend, I may need it. Please feel free to change the subject line as required by law in the applicable state ( of mind ). Later Don. & listers Alan in Houston 89' Rifle +2 Vista Cruise Audiovox CCS-100 cruise control Tour Master tankbag Utopia Driver's backrest Hondaline passenger backrest Dunlop K555's Mobil 1 15w-50 Cycle Mate CM 2000 trailer Hitch Doc hitch GenMar risers - ahhhh! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sun, 2 Jul 2000 01:06:05 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bill Jarrells" To: "Ralph Couey" , "Pacific Coast Owners" Subject: Re: PC800: Maintenance, etc Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 02:29:39 -0400 You forgot to mention which controversial tire you would be using :-) Bill -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ralph Couey To: Pacific Coast Owners Date: Saturday, July 01, 2000 7:09 PM Subject: PC800: Maintenance, etc >Changed the oil today and used the Mobil 1 V-Twin oil and a filter I bought >through Dennis Kirk for $6.25. Intellectually, I know that the bike would >do just fine on regular oil, but somehow when I put the good stuff in, >Seishin seems to radiate a little more good karma. And the shifting seems >to be smoother. I then washed and waxed two coats, spent a good hour on the >wheels and now the bike really shines. To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, "The >best thing for the inside of a rider is the outside of a motorcycle." > >Hopefully will be ordering my new back tire next Friday. > >How's that? Covered three controversial threads in one post! > >--Ralph > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sun, 2 Jul 2000 01:12:43 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bill Jarrells" To: , "pc800 mailinglist" Subject: Re: PC800: Insurance for $50 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 02:36:18 -0400 Insuring two bikes (89 PC and 86 VF500). Liability and UIM. $39 for PC and $27 for Interceptor for a grand total of $68. Bill Jarrells 89 PC800 'Quasimodo' -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Tony Miller To: pc800 mailinglist Date: Saturday, July 01, 2000 11:26 PM Subject: PC800: Insurance for $50 >I just want to do a reality check. I am buying liability insurance from >Progressive for $50 a year. This seems ridiculously cheap. Is anyone >else buying from them? > >Tony >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sun, 2 Jul 2000 01:26:16 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bill Jarrells" To: , , Subject: Re: PC800: Re: how was your trip? Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 02:49:51 -0400 I have the 140/90-15 K491 on my 89. Been on for a little over 4,000 miles. Cannot really see any wear yet. The tire does not look sporty but performs better than I expected. Traction is not a problem at all and I have been known to corner the PC pretty hard. I did have some minor trunk rub when I first put it on. I noticed this when the tire was particularly dusty. There was a dark ring in the middle of the dust. The tire does not appear to rub anymore (either the tire or the trunk must have worn enough to clear). The cruising RPM has also gone down considerably. At an indicated 75MPH the Tach reads just under 4600. I thought this might cause some passing problems when two up but I am happy to report that passing hasn't been noticeably affected. I really like the tire and see no reason not to buy another one when this one wears out. Bill Jarrells 89 PC800 'Quasimodo' 86 VF500F 'Elmo' -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ahall77379@aol.com To: defrue@Hotmail.com ; pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sunday, July 02, 2000 12:53 AM Subject: PC800: Re: how was your trip? >Hey Don! > >I sent you a couple of e-mails about the trip. Maybe you did not receive >them? I am sending this one to you and the list, so you should get it twice. >Let me tell you, I was one tired puppy when I returned from the ride. I >parked the bike and did not touch it for three weeks! I rode it around the >neighborhood the other night, though. (Down to the stop-n-go for a six pack >and back home. Now that's a ride!) I also wore out the rear K-555 which was >new last spring. (that's one reason I have not ridden it to be truthfull) I >can tell you that the PC performed flawlessly, as did the trailer. Glad I had >it. We ended up going through Little Rock and then south into Louisiana >instead of going through Vicksburg in order to avoid the rain. I am getting >the fever to be out on the road again, but I will probably never ride that >far again unless I am on a larger bike. I would like to be able to have more >ergonomic options on a ride that long. That said, I intend to keep riding the >PC for quite a while. I'll just limit my rides to a two state limit! OK, >maybe three if headed east! > >As far as tires, since this is being posted to the list, I am considering all >brands (all brands?) at this time. I am also too lazy to search the archives >(the nerve!) & what's the point of the list if not to gab about tires and >such? The PC requires a 140/80-15, but I am wondering who (whom said the >grammermaniac) has tried a 140/90-15 in say an Elite or any other type of >tire. There are quite a few brands/models of this size on the market. Yes, >let's stop with the oil thread and go back to the tire thread! Glad I am >fortunate enough to have a 4 day weekend, I may need it. Please feel free to >change the subject line as required by law in the applicable state ( of mind >). Later Don. & listers > > Alan in Houston 89' > > Rifle +2 > Vista Cruise > Audiovox CCS-100 cruise control > Tour Master tankbag > Utopia Driver's backrest > Hondaline passenger backrest > Dunlop K555's > Mobil 1 15w-50 > Cycle Mate CM 2000 trailer > Hitch Doc hitch > GenMar risers - ahhhh! >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-66702U35000L35000S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 04:15:59 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve Wilson" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Re: how was your trip? Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 04:16:25 -0500 Based on my 150/90 ME880, I am betting the rubbing was on the swingarm crossmember and not on the trunk. Look up under the bike at the front of the tire and see if the tire isn't extra close to the swing arm cross member. The infamous "trunk rub" was, I believe, on the left side of the trunk, a problem of width, not height. BTW, my 95 had trunk rub on the left side with the stock Dunlop, although, it only appears to have worn about 25% through the plastic. As for the passing power, I have noticed that I sometime ride around in 4th now, instead of 5th, so roll on power is not a problem. It doesn't help the gas mileage to ride it that way though. I do have to rev the motor a little higher and ease out on the clutch a little on 1st gear take offs. I stalled it a few times at first. I took a trip last weekend with a full load (450lbs.+) in the hills with a lot of twisties and still got better than 40 mpg's which is good for me. I do not take it easy on the throttle, especially coming out of the corners, or when passing, or when on straights, or most any other time. You know, like Alan rides. :-) Steve Wilson Ruston LA. ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bill Jarrells" > I have the 140/90-15 K491 on my 89. Been on for a little over 4,000 miles. > Cannot really see any wear yet. The tire does not look sporty but performs > better than I expected. Traction is not a problem at all and I have been > known to corner the PC pretty hard. > > I did have some minor trunk rub when I first put it on. I noticed this when > the tire was particularly dusty. There was a dark ring in the middle of the > dust. The tire does not appear to rub anymore (either the tire or the trunk > must have worn enough to clear). > > The cruising RPM has also gone down considerably. At an indicated 75MPH the > Tach reads just under 4600. I thought this might cause some passing > problems when two up but I am happy to report that passing hasn't been > noticeably affected. > > I really like the tire and see no reason not to buy another one when this > one wears out. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 08:54:45 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: Windsheild Mod To: jcats_us@yahoo.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 7/1/00 8:22:41 PM Mountain Standard Time, jcats_us@yahoo.com writes: << I once saw a link for some modification for the windshield. I think the guy had attached plexiglass to the windshield as an extension. >> Saeng (www.saeng.com) sells a windshield extension that can be mounted on just about any windshield and put on and taken off in seconds. Not only does it allow a few more inches of windshield, but the extension to be angled for max comfort. I have one and like to use it sometimes if freeway travel is a must. Russ Vernon -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dsinofsky@aol.com for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 09:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 09:05:08 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: Insurance for $50 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu What limits for $50? Darren Sinofsky 1989 PC800 "The Crib" Western Mass -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP Sun, 2 Jul 2000 06:18:09 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ralph Couey" To: "Bill Jarrells" , "Pacific Coast Owners" Subject: Re: PC800: Maintenance, etc Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 08:16:50 -0500 Bill, That would be the Michlopzeler MEK555880XL --Ralph ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bill Jarrells" To: "Ralph Couey" ; "Pacific Coast Owners" Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2000 1:29 AM Subject: Re: PC800: Maintenance, etc > You forgot to mention which controversial tire you would be using :-) > > Bill > -----Original Message----- > From: Ralph Couey > To: Pacific Coast Owners > Date: Saturday, July 01, 2000 7:09 PM > Subject: PC800: Maintenance, etc > > > >Changed the oil today and used the Mobil 1 V-Twin oil and a filter I bought > >through Dennis Kirk for $6.25. Intellectually, I know that the bike would > >do just fine on regular oil, but somehow when I put the good stuff in, > >Seishin seems to radiate a little more good karma. And the shifting seems > >to be smoother. I then washed and waxed two coats, spent a good hour on > the > >wheels and now the bike really shines. To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, "The > >best thing for the inside of a rider is the outside of a motorcycle." > > > >Hopefully will be ordering my new back tire next Friday. > > > >How's that? Covered three controversial threads in one post! > > > >--Ralph > > > >-- > >Visit the PC800 web page at > >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "Fenwick" cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: PC800: Threaded Email Messages Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 09:09:20 -0500 "Fenwick" writes: > What??? Can someone explain all this to me??? I see my name mentioned a > lot, and I pretty sure that I'm getting a butt chewin', but I have no clue > as to what I've done wrong here... :-) I'm not trying to chew anybody's butt. I'm just trying to increase the list's level of email skills just a bit. Its possible many on this list don't know what "threaded" means or that their email client (your email program) is supporting message threading while it may not be listing the messages in threaded mode. By convention the message quoting routine adds something like ""Fenwick" writes:" at the top of the message. But by including the "thread" the messages into the order of discussion, rather than only alphabetical by subject, or chronologically by time. header so to start a new thread. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Jesus Soriano cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Oil changes: Torque/Filter Wrenches of "Sat, 01 Jul 2000 00:50:37 PDT." <20000701075037.10700.qmail@web2105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 09:14:31 -0500 From: David Kelly Jesus Soriano writes: > Rachel is seatting now in the garage dripping oil > (Harley like) with a bucket under her waiting until I > can go to Sears tomorrow to change the torque wrench > and finish the project. (I hope it's Ok to leave her > like that, with no oil, and with the filter, draining > plug, and dipstick removed). Its tomorrow already. You could have put the plug back and new filter on without the torque wrench. Usually you remember about how tight the bolts were before you removed them, just don't put them back on that tight. Then use the torque wrench when you get it today. > Now that I have the tools it will be much cheaper to > do it in the future, so I guess I'll have to do it > very often (maybe every other week) so I can pay > myself $50 dollars everytime and use the money for all > those rides I have been meaning to take .... Real Men do not ask for directions when we are lost because we know Home Is Where Our Torque Wrench Is. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 11:26:55 -0400 Subject: PC800: Home from STAR 2000 in CO To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) Just thought I'd let everyone know I just got back from Avon, Colorado after attending the Honda Sport Touring Association's STAR 2000 rally all last week. After a total of 4,150 miles the Yankee Smuggler is still running strong and never failed me even in a monsoon at 10,000 feet! My Corbin seat was a God send and I'm ready to take off again somewhere as soon as I catch up on my sleep. After the sleep thing I'll be posting some pictures of the trip for all to see. The week before I left I installed the Randall/Reid highway pegs and found them to be very useful on the long days out and back. I will be shopping for longer pegs though (sounds like another road trip to me), but otherwise they were most satisfactory. No close calls or wacky drivers for the whole trip. I would like to share one travel tip with you though. If you are thinking of taking I-80 anywhere near Toledo, or Chicago I'd suggest you look at US20 as a way around both these places. Yesterday after Rob Plaschka (my riding buddy from Burlinton, Ontario, Canada) and I parted company south of Toledo I-80 was backed up in both directions for 4-10 miles. One direction was at the toll booths on two consecutive exits and by an accident in my direction. I got off and took US20, a mostly divided highway that the locals were doing 60 mph on, all the way to Cleveland. Very nice road! Tim Davies Seneca Falls, New York 13148 '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jgoula@topcat.sfos.uaf.edu To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 17:30:11 GMT Subject: PC800: Opportunities and pleas for help Greetings fellow PCers! I have a bi-partite message for you. The first part refers to a wonderful opportunity for some one trying to combine the purchase of a PC and a trip to Alaska. I have found the first (and only) PC to be sold by the local dealer. It was purchased back in '89 (if memory serves) and the original owner is now trying to sell it. I saw the unmistakable rostrum in a used car lot yesterday and almost did an "emergency brake U-turn". Ok, for the particulars that I am aware of so far: Mileage - 1,872 (yep, one thousand eight hundred seventy two) Condition - Fair to good. Scratched front wings (but not the rear?) A few scuffs from rider's boots on the trunk. Original 11 year old K555s. It is in completely stock condition, right down to the dinky '89 stock windshield. Asking Price - $3,999.00 Obviously the owner is not PC800 aware, so I am sure he would come down on the price (I think). To declare it road worthy I would change all fluids, put fresh rubber on it, fresh plugs and some carb cleaner. Maybe synch the carbs. Now for the second part of the message: Please help me! If no one else gets this bike I will, just on the "pound puppy" principle! My wife has given me the green light, but we really can't afford it right now. So, if anyone is interested, I can get the owner's name and phone number. I would be happy to inspect it further and test ride it for you if requested. So don't hesitate. You would be doing yourself (and a fellow PCer) a big favor. Happy Fourth of July to those of us who celebrate it! Juan A. Goula Potential PC addict -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sun, 2 Jul 2000 13:55:01 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bill Jarrells" To: "Steve Wilson" , Subject: Re: PC800: Re: how was your trip? Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 15:18:40 -0400 Whoops, I must not have been real clear on where the rub was at. It was on the left sidewall. The tire was dusty due to the ride it had been on which included several gravel roads. My trunk is only rubbed a small amount as well. Bill -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Steve Wilson To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sunday, July 02, 2000 5:17 AM Subject: Re: PC800: Re: how was your trip? >Based on my 150/90 ME880, I am betting the rubbing was on the swingarm >crossmember and not on the trunk. Look up under the bike at the front of >the tire and see if the tire isn't extra close to the swing arm cross >member. The infamous "trunk rub" was, I believe, on the left side of the >trunk, a problem of width, not height. BTW, my 95 had trunk rub on the >left side with the stock Dunlop, although, it only appears to have worn >about 25% through the plastic. As for the passing power, I have noticed >that I sometime ride around in 4th now, instead of 5th, so roll on power >is not a problem. It doesn't help the gas mileage to ride it that way >though. I do have to rev the motor a little higher and ease out on the >clutch a little on 1st gear take offs. I stalled it a few times at >first. I took a trip last weekend with a full load (450lbs.+) in the >hills with a lot of twisties and still got better than 40 mpg's which is >good for me. I do not take it easy on the throttle, especially coming >out of the corners, or when passing, or when on straights, or most any >other time. You know, like Alan rides. :-) >Steve Wilson Ruston LA. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill Jarrells" > > >> I have the 140/90-15 K491 on my 89. Been on for a little over 4,000 >miles. >> Cannot really see any wear yet. The tire does not look sporty but >performs >> better than I expected. Traction is not a problem at all and I have >been >> known to corner the PC pretty hard. >> >> I did have some minor trunk rub when I first put it on. I noticed >this when >> the tire was particularly dusty. There was a dark ring in the middle >of the >> dust. The tire does not appear to rub anymore (either the tire or the >trunk >> must have worn enough to clear). >> >> The cruising RPM has also gone down considerably. At an indicated >75MPH the >> Tach reads just under 4600. I thought this might cause some passing >> problems when two up but I am happy to report that passing hasn't been >> noticeably affected. >> >> I really like the tire and see no reason not to buy another one when >this >> one wears out. > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sun, 2 Jul 2000 13:57:42 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bill Jarrells" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: Windsheild Mod Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 15:21:22 -0400 There is a reference to one on the European PC800 Website. One of the riders there built one from some scrap pieces. Other than some commercially available ones, that is the only one that I have seen. FWIW Bill Jarrells 89 PC800 'Quasimodo' >In a message dated 7/1/00 8:22:41 PM Mountain Standard Time, >jcats_us@yahoo.com writes: > ><< I once saw a link for some modification for the > windshield. I think the guy had attached plexiglass > to the windshield as an extension. >> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sun, 2 Jul 2000 14:01:15 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bill Jarrells" To: "Ralph Couey" , "Pacific Coast Owners" Subject: Re: PC800: Maintenance, etc Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 15:24:55 -0400 Whoa, what size (it must be a big tire to get all those letters and numbers on it). Let me know how you like it :-) Bill -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ralph Couey To: Bill Jarrells ; Pacific Coast Owners Date: Sunday, July 02, 2000 9:18 AM Subject: Re: PC800: Maintenance, etc >Bill, >That would be the Michlopzeler MEK555880XL > >--Ralph >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill Jarrells" >To: "Ralph Couey" ; "Pacific Coast Owners" > >Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2000 1:29 AM >Subject: Re: PC800: Maintenance, etc > > >> You forgot to mention which controversial tire you would be using :-) >> >> Bill >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ralph Couey >> To: Pacific Coast Owners >> Date: Saturday, July 01, 2000 7:09 PM >> Subject: PC800: Maintenance, etc >> >> >> >Changed the oil today and used the Mobil 1 V-Twin oil and a filter I >bought >> >through Dennis Kirk for $6.25. Intellectually, I know that the bike >would >> >do just fine on regular oil, but somehow when I put the good stuff in, >> >Seishin seems to radiate a little more good karma. And the shifting >seems >> >to be smoother. I then washed and waxed two coats, spent a good hour on >> the >> >wheels and now the bike really shines. To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, "The >> >best thing for the inside of a rider is the outside of a motorcycle." >> > >> >Hopefully will be ordering my new back tire next Friday. >> > >> >How's that? Covered three controversial threads in one post! >> > >> >--Ralph >> > >> >-- >> >Visit the PC800 web page at >> >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >> >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >> >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >> > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Chuck Chiodini" To: "Paul Atkins" , "Fenwick" , Subject: Re: PC800: Headlight modulator Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 14:17:47 -0500 Fellow listers: I bought and installed a Kisan modulator at the Honda Hoot. Took all of five minutes to install, ran the sensor between the instrument cluster and the black "dash piece" with the speaker cutouts. Works great! Light stops modulating when I enter tunnels and starts on exit, perfect! Three observations: 1. Within the first two hours of riding with my new "see me" modulator, two bonehead cage drivers turned left in front of me. Bad omen? 2. While riding at a "brisk pace" on the highway in the fast lane, I turned off the modulator as not to advertise my presence to the local revenue generators in the umarked patrol cars. As I closed up on a slower moving vehicles in my lane, a few seconds of headlight modulation often caused them to move over to the slower lane where they belonged. I LOVE this feature! 3. A small piece of electrical tape placed over the sensor will allow you to run on high beam in daylight if you so desire. I personally believe the modulator is too obnoxious for fellow riders and I leave it deactivated when riding with other bikes or "nice car people" and switch it on in "high risk areas" to announce my presence. Ride like your life depends on it! Chuck Chiodini in Heber Springs, Arkansas '89 PC800 "Scooter" (52,000 miles in the last 20 months) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sun, 2 Jul 2000 15:15:12 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "jeff wessel" To: "Fenwick" Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: The recurring modulator controversy. Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 14:31:31 -0500 Rich, Don't worry, I'm sure you've done something to deserve a "butt chewin" Jeff ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Fenwick To: Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 11:01 PM Subject: Re: PC800: The recurring modulator controversy. > What??? Can someone explain all this to me??? I see my name mentioned a > lot, and I pretty sure that I'm getting a butt chewin', but I have no clue > as to what I've done wrong here... :-) > > Oh, the hell with it. :-0 I'm going to bed. I'm getting up at 6am in > the morning, and I'm going to see where a few unexplored roads lead to. > Going to put 300-400 miles on at least. The last time I had one of these > rides, I ended up in Bloomington, Indiana. > > Rich Fenwick > rfenwick@core.com > http://pc_800.tripod.com > 1990 Honda PC800 > HRCA - HM725413 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Kelly > To: > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 9:50 PM > Subject: Re: PC800: The recurring modulator controversy. > > > > "Fenwick" writes: > > > > > > I guess that we are going to have to disagree on this one. The MSF puts > > > something in black in white, but then I am told that it isn't so. I > guess > > > we > > > will have to disagree on this one, but let's never be disagreeable > towards > > > each other. (can we agree there? I hope so!) :-) > > > > Do you think we could agree that one shouldn't reply to a different > > message thread and change the subject? I recognize Don Orton loaded his > > message with multiple topics. I have begun to realize crippled mail > > readers such as Outlook either don't properly thread messages or their > > users don't know why messages appear in the order they do. So lets > > teach a little email lesson: > > > > Don's original message contained this header: > > > > When Fenwick replied his Microsoft Outlook Express added: > > > > Then Don replied and the following appeared: > <003401bfe29d$ac7d5120$5757d6d8@9hr500b> > > > > No matter what order the messages arrive or what Subject: is changed > > to, a proper email client will use the above information to place the > > messages in the correct order. > > > > I'm replying to the middle message and my email client adds a slightly > > different header: > > > > of "Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:15:40 CDT." > <003401bfe29d$ac7d5120$5757d6d8@9hr500b> > > > > Which should insert this message after Fenwick's and before Don's 2nd. > > Considering I'm changing the subject I've debated whether or not to let > > this message thread into the discussion or to start another thread. > > Finally decided it was best to demonstrate how it would thread. > > > > Be sure to tune in next week when we remind everyone not to forward the > > GOOD TIMES warning. Week after next will be time once again for a > > lesson in proper deletion of quoted text. Or maybe I'll resend one of > > my classic rants against HTML formatted email. > > > > -- > > David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net > > ===================================================================== > > The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its > > capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. > > > > > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sun, 2 Jul 2000 15:22:32 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "jeff wessel" To: "Jesus Soriano" Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: Superbike World Championship Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 14:38:52 -0500 Jesus, I've watched the entire series on TV. It will be very exciting. Congratulations with your friends recognition of you and your bike's abilities. The handling of the PC is one of my favorite attributes of the PC. Because of the looks of the bike, nobody expects it. Have fun at the races, I'll be watching for you on my TV. P.S. See if Colin will let you ride his RC51. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jesus Soriano To: Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 3:00 AM Subject: PC800: Superbike World Championship > I just got an unexpected e-mail: > > My friends with the VFRs were so impressed with the > performance of my "fat ass" motorcycle when we went to > the twisties a few weeks ago, that they have invited > me to accompany them to the Superbike World > Championship in Laguna Seca next week-end. I have > never been to any bike races, but any excuse is good > to go for a ride, specially since to get to Monterey > I'll be "forced" to take Highway 1: The Pacific Coast > Highway .... > > Are any of you going?. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sun, 2 Jul 2000 16:22:49 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "jeff wessel" To: Cc: "Christopher Russell-Wood" Subject: PC800: My new riding buddy (long) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 15:39:08 -0500 To all, Yesterday at 4 AM I got up showered drank day old coffee and hit the road. Chris Russell-Wood had agreed to meet me "somewhere" in between Maryland where he lives and Indiana where I live. He gave me choices and I chose Columbus Oh. because I hoped that we could meet with the gang that I had noticed were organizing the Ohio ride. This left more distance for Chris than I but he didn't seem to mind. I've never traveled that early in the day but now I know why some people like the early morning starts. I started before the sun was up. There was some fog, not enough to be a problem, but enough to fill the valleys and mist my windshield. No traffic!!!! It was really wonderful to travel the familiar roads close to my home without any traffic. As the sun rose, the fog cleared and I was in a rhythm. This was my first destination based journey on my PC and I hurried through the farmland towards Columbus. I got great mileage, and my two newest additions, a Corbin seat and Unique grips were delightful. The Unique grips are for tennis rackets. They wrapped over the stock and are designed to minimised shock. For $1.99 they are super. I had hurried enough that I had arrived one hour early!!! It was a good thing though because we had agreed to meet at a place that didn't exist on a road that was plenty busy. I decided to park in a restaurant that had empty places that were only a few feet from the road so that Chris would see me. When I parked, I noticed only about three inches of windsheild above other vehicles in the parking lot across the street. I went across and found a PC from Maryland. I knew it had to be him. I took off my jacket helmet etc. and out of the Home Depot came Chris grinning from ear to ear. We talked for a while then ate together. During lunch we decided to go to Marysville because I thought that I might be able to remember a route that was given to me at last year's Homecoming. I remembered some of it, we saw 4 of the seven bridges that were featured in the route. After that we said out goodbyes and off I went toward home. I think that I've bruised my butt, that Corbin is really hard, even with a sheepskin on it I suffered on the ride home. I still enjoyed my ride, but I think that I have too many nerve sensors where they aren't doing me any good. All in all a great ride. My route included great scenery, great curves and great company. The road was diverse, I was able to go fast, slow (watch that gravel), up, down, right and left. I now pronounce Freebee to be in excellent health. (Freebee was bought in Dec. and since then I have been making sure that this ten year old is in perfect shape). Jeff 90 PC (Freebee) P.S. Hey Chris are you home yet? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 13:38:05 -0700 (MST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Alex Vrenios Subject: PC800: Filter Wrench? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (Pacific Coast) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 100 13:38:05 -0700 (MST) Coasters, I went to WalMalt and there was the wrench everyone has been talking about, for under $3 to boot. Two were left on one card holder and two others were out of stock. I took the Vector Type B saying "65/67 - 14 flutes" but a look at the card holder stickers shows there were other sizes available. (The stickers had no "type" code, just the sizes in millimeters, so the sold-out ones might have been Type C or D?) Anyway, is this the right one? Also, they sell Mobile 1 15W-50 for $4.38 but the container says nothing about Motorcycles, V-twins, or "M" that I've seen mentioned here. Is that the right stuff? Thanks. -- Regards, Alex, kx9i 98 pc800 Kazesan -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BMillman@aol.com for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 17:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 17:47:12 EDT Subject: PC800: PC Seen in PA To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hi Listers, I have just returned from a week's vacation in New York and Pennsylvania. Ha= d=20 a great time but only saw one PC800. The location was the car park of a funeral parlour in New Holland PA. It was= =20 the best colour - Candy Red - and I saw it as I entered a restaurant opposit= e=20 for my breakfast. I am wondering if it could it be anyone on the list?=20 Oh, and whilst I do sympathise with all you guys on the price of your gas -=20 is that a 50% + increase since I was in the USA last November? Please spare= =20 a thought for us 'limeys' over here who are also suffering a large increase.= =20 Our cheapest gas is currently just over =A35 per gallon, that's $7.50, so=20 you've got a long way to go to catch us up. I know it hurts you but I had=20 great pleasure in filling up my Mercury rental car for less than $20 - or=20 =A313. This was a bargain. Safe summer riding to you all, and I am now looking forward to meeting many=20 of you at the end of the big ride in September. Brian Millman Reading England 90 PC800 - Candy Red - The Palm Tree PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Chuck Chiodini" To: Subject: PC800: PIAA Headlight Bulb Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 16:53:53 -0500 Fellow listers: I forgot to mention that I also purchased a PIAA Platinum Series headlight bulb (H-4) from Sport Touring Accessories at the Hoot. I was hesitant about spending $37 for a headlight bulb but the first rainy night on the Blue Ridge Parkway convinced me that it was well worth the money. The bulb is rated at 110/100 watts but draws only 55 watts of power (according to the advertisements). It really puts out a pure, bright white light that is a big improvement over my 100/80 bulb. I'll let ya know if it melts my plastic headlight lens. The effect with the headlight modulator (Kisan model #P-115W) is awesome to behold and I'm positive makes me more visible to other "motorists". Ride like your life depends on it! Chuck Chiodini in Heber Springs, Arkansas '89 PC800 "Scooter" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "Chuck Chiodini" cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Headlight modulator of "Sun, 02 Jul 2000 14:17:47 CDT." <20000702191655.84844.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 19:09:07 -0500 "Chuck Chiodini" writes: > Three observations: > 1. Within the first two hours of riding with my new "see me" modulator, two > bonehead cage drivers turned left in front of me. Bad omen? I've been riding long enough to have owned new motorcycles with an off switch for the headlight. I seem to remember headlight modulators appears about the same time the US NHTSA was debating mandatory headlight use for motorcycles, and was even considering mandatory headlight modulators. The motorcycle industry responded by removing the headlight off switch for the US voluntarily. Then the NHTSA backed off. In the early days there was debate over the proper modulating frequency. Some modulators flashed so fast that one didn't see the flicker. The slower frequencies clearly confuses drivers into believing the motorcycle is an emergency vehicle. All frequencies produce some form of driver confusion. No one ever contested the claim that a headlight modulator does confuse the human brain. Some claim that confusion will convince drivers you are closer than you really are. My personal observation is the driver is at least as likely to think you are farther away. Appears it took Chuck only 2 hours to find a couple examples. I think loud horns are useful. A couple of $9.95 horns have arrived from J.C. Whitney. Think they were said to be 130 dBA each, hi/low tone. Exact same diameter as the PC horn. Bought a $5 relay too because a pair of these horns will suck at least 10 amps. Time to study the PC's wires as I'm quite sure the PC horn button sources current from the battery thru the horn to ground. These horns will smoke the switch and/or wiring, hence the purchase of the relay. Appears I will be running a wire with a fuse at the battery to the horn. Then using the PC's horn wire to key the relay. And the relay between the new horns and ground. More details after I actually get it done. I think somebody should print a bumper sticker proclaiming, "Loud Paint Saves Lives" as a direct poke at the loud pipe idiots. Arrived at the Pisgah Inn at about 2:30 that Saturday. Met Chuck and others examining each other's headlight modulator installation. When I pulled up and was asked if I had one my reply was rather curt, "I don't believe in them" and the group moved on to examination of the bikes that had them. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Alex Vrenios cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (Pacific Coast) From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Filter Wrench? of "Sun, 02 Jul 0100 13:38:05 PDT." <200007022038.NAA05764@enuxsa.eas.asu.edu> Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 18:42:02 -0500 Alex Vrenios writes: > Also, they sell Mobile 1 15W-50 for $4.38 but the container > says nothing about Motorcycles, V-twins, or "M" that I've > seen mentioned here. Is that the right stuff? Thanks. That's the stuff most of use choose to use. Not the [0,5,10]W-30 but the 15W-50 automotive stuff in the silver bottle. Mobil markets Mobil-1 blends to motorcyclists in black bottles at twice the price. Rarely found in automotive parts stores, never in Walmart. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP Sun, 2 Jul 2000 17:50:06 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ralph Couey" To: "Bill Jarrells" , "Pacific Coast Owners" Subject: Re: PC800: Maintenance, etc Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 19:48:19 -0500 Bill, Yeah, I had to wrap it around the wheel twice. ;-) -Ralph > Whoa, what size (it must be a big tire to get all those letters and numbers > on it). Let me know how you like it :-) > > Bill > -----Original Message----- > From: Ralph Couey > To: Bill Jarrells ; Pacific Coast Owners > > Date: Sunday, July 02, 2000 9:18 AM > Subject: Re: PC800: Maintenance, etc > > > >Bill, > >That would be the Michlopzeler MEK555880XL > > > >--Ralph > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Bill Jarrells" > >To: "Ralph Couey" ; "Pacific Coast Owners" > > > >Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2000 1:29 AM > >Subject: Re: PC800: Maintenance, etc > > > > > >> You forgot to mention which controversial tire you would be using :-) > >> > >> Bill > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Ralph Couey > >> To: Pacific Coast Owners > >> Date: Saturday, July 01, 2000 7:09 PM > >> Subject: PC800: Maintenance, etc > >> > >> > >> >Changed the oil today and used the Mobil 1 V-Twin oil and a filter I > >bought > >> >through Dennis Kirk for $6.25. Intellectually, I know that the bike > >would > >> >do just fine on regular oil, but somehow when I put the good stuff in, > >> >Seishin seems to radiate a little more good karma. And the shifting > >seems > >> >to be smoother. I then washed and waxed two coats, spent a good hour on > >> the > >> >wheels and now the bike really shines. To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, > "The > >> >best thing for the inside of a rider is the outside of a motorcycle." > >> > > >> >Hopefully will be ordering my new back tire next Friday. > >> > > >> >How's that? Covered three controversial threads in one post! > >> > > >> >--Ralph > >> > > >> >-- > >> >Visit the PC800 web page at > >> >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > >> >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > >> >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > >> > > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP Sun, 2 Jul 2000 17:59:52 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ralph Couey" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: PC Seen in PA Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 19:58:05 -0500 Brian, Just curious, how much of the five pounds is tax? - Ralph Couey Hi Listers, I have just returned from a week's vacation in New York and Pennsylvania. Had a great time but only saw one PC800. The location was the car park of a funeral parlour in New Holland PA. It was the best colour - Candy Red - and I saw it as I entered a restaurant opposite for my breakfast. I am wondering if it could it be anyone on the list? Oh, and whilst I do sympathise with all you guys on the price of your gas - is that a 50% + increase since I was in the USA last November? Please spare a thought for us 'limeys' over here who are also suffering a large increase. Our cheapest gas is currently just over £5 per gallon, that's $7.50, so you've got a long way to go to catch us up. I know it hurts you but I had great pleasure in filling up my Mercury rental car for less than $20 - or £13. This was a bargain. Safe summer riding to you all, and I am now looking forward to meeting many of you at the end of the big ride in September. Brian Millman Reading England 90 PC800 - Candy Red - The Palm Tree PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 18:50:01 -0700 (PDT) From: J Serlo Subject: Re: PC800: Filter Wrench? To: Alex Vrenios , PC 800 List I had the old filter wrench from my 90 camary 4cyc. tried it and it fit perfect. Filter size still in use I think on the Nissan models also. Something strange about cars using the same size filters as Bikes. Also I was at KMart today they have Mobile One on sale for $ 3.79/qt. Joe --- Alex Vrenios wrote: > Coasters, > > I went to WalMalt and there was the wrench everyone > has > been talking about, for under $3 to boot. Two were > left > on one card holder and two others were out of stock. > I > took the Vector Type B saying "65/67 - 14 flutes" > but a > look at the card holder stickers shows there were > other > sizes available. (The stickers had no "type" code, > just > the sizes in millimeters, so the sold-out ones might > have > been Type C or D?) Anyway, is this the right one? > > Also, they sell Mobile 1 15W-50 for $4.38 but the > container > says nothing about Motorcycles, V-twins, or "M" that > I've > seen mentioned here. Is that the right stuff? > Thanks. > > -- > Regards, > > Alex, kx9i > 98 pc800 > Kazesan > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe > pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ASKARDLIFE@aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 23:17:40 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: I have a screw loose To: patkins99@yahoo.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hey Paul, I will have to stop by and check it out! I will show you mine , if you show me yours! LOL... Sorry I missed you Saturday, had to work. I would call back, but i don't have your phone #. get together real soon!.......later Todd Skar 89'PC 14k "Poseidon" Green Bay, WI -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 23:30:02 -0400 Subject: Re(2): PC800: Headlight modulator To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) dkelly@hiwaay.net writes: >No one ever contested the claim that a headlight modulator does confuse >the human brain. Some claim that confusion will convince drivers you are >closer than you really are. My personal observation is the driver is at >least as likely to think you are farther away. Appears it took Chuck >only 2 hours to find a couple examples. > >-- >David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net I'd much rather have a driver confused over my distance from him/her (although I do not support this confusion theory), than to not see me at all! After all, that is the reason for the modulator...to be seen for a change. I saw some modulated headlights at Americade that look totally different from my modulated headlight so I think there is some variation in what the manufacturers put on the market. Some looked to be very close to "flashing" and appeared to have a higher rate of modulation than my Kriss. I'm sold on them. Tim Davies Seneca Falls, New York 13148 '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 23:44:42 -0400 Subject: PC800: Northern Arkansas Ride...go or no go? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) I've been looking over the messages that appeared while I was at STAR 2000 in Colorado for the past week and I can't quite figure out if this ride is on or not. When I left a week ago Steve Ewens was discouraged with a variety of things and was offering the final organization task to anyone who wanted it. Anybody have a definitive report on the status of the weekend? Tim Davies Seneca Falls, New York 13148 '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaPC800Rider@aol.com for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 23:56:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 23:56:38 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: Filter Wrench? Why do ya need one... To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Most of my motorcycling experience have been on Hondas, and my personal experience has been that if you need a wrench to remove your filter, then it was just simply installed too tightly. My VFR750 and F3 required the same MM9 filter as my PC, and even though the space for my big claws is tight on the PC, I don't anticipate needing a wrench for her either... Just spin it on until the gasket contacts the base, then give it half to 3/4 turn and your set... I've stopped using the OE MM9 and now use a Mobil 1 M1-110 synthetic fiber filter... Troy Doyle 1997 PC800 "I will call her, Gabrielle" Goose Creek, SC USA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: sge2000@att.net by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP Mon, 3 Jul 2000 04:44:59 +0000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) Subject: Re: PC800: Northern Arkansas Ride...go or no go? Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 04:44:58 +0000 Tim, The Northern Arkansas ride IS happening. I am sending to you off-list a couple of messages I posted last week with details. I do not know how many participants we will have. A small number of people have recently indicated their intention to be there. It would be of value to hear from those who have expressed an interest what their current plans are. My PC is running properly now. I'm a little afraid to announce that it is fixed, as I've been wrong 3 times about the cause of the problem. If it shows no recurrence of the electrical problem between now and then, I am going on the ride. I plan to leave Kansas City mid-afternoon on Friday, July 14, and stay at the Holiday Inn in Russellville, AR, Friday and Saturday nights. I would be interested in riding with anyone from this area down or back, if schedules permit. (Bernie?) Tim, I hope you can be there. You will be a credible contender for the long distance award! (If this were the sort of organized event to have such awards!) ;-) -- Steve Ewens Lee's Summit, MO '89 PC800 > I've been looking over the messages that appeared while I was at STAR 2000 in > Colorado for the past week and I can't quite figure out if this ride is on or > not. When I left a week ago Steve Ewens was discouraged with a variety of > things and was offering the final organization task to anyone who wanted it. > > Anybody have a definitive report on the status of the weekend? > > Tim Davies > Seneca Falls, New York 13148 > '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" > > AMA #688662 > HSTA #8387 > HRCA #HM100878 > > "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mark Gilb" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Northern Arkansas Ride...go or no go? Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 00:25:16 -0500 Tim, The Northern Arkansas ride is definitely a "go". July 14 - 16 in Russellville, Ark. In a message to me, Steve Ewen wrote ..."Okay, gang, I have the Holiday Inn rate info. They have only king rooms available for the weekend of July 14-15; 47 non-smoking, 19 smoking. If the group reserves 10 or more rooms the rate will be $53 per night (single or double). With fewer than 10 rooms the rate will be $59 per night. (It may be slightly higher if very few riders show up.) " "I recommend you make your reservations promptly. Mention that you are with the Pacific Coast group, and specify which nights you are staying: Friday the 14th, Saturday the 15th, or both. The phone number for the Holiday Inn in Russellville is 501-968-4300. Enjoy those great Arkansas roads! " .... Just checked the Holiday Inn website - http://www2.basshotels.com/holiday-inn The hotel is located at 2407 N. Arkansas Avenue in Russellville. It appears from the web site that they still have rooms. Hope this helps. I'm looking forward to meeting you and the rest of the PC gang in Arkansas. Mark Gilb Arnold, Mo. 95 PC800 Hope that this is everything that you need to know. ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PC800 Rider" To: Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2000 10:44 PM Subject: PC800: Northern Arkansas Ride...go or no go? > I've been looking over the messages that appeared while I was at STAR 2000 in > Colorado for the past week and I can't quite figure out if this ride is on or > not. When I left a week ago Steve Ewens was discouraged with a variety of > things and was offering the final organization task to anyone who wanted it. > > Anybody have a definitive report on the status of the weekend? > > Tim Davies > Seneca Falls, New York 13148 > '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" > > AMA #688662 > HSTA #8387 > HRCA #HM100878 > > "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BMillman@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 03:27:12 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: PC Seen in PA To: pcstarship@home.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 03/07/00 02:00:18 GMT Daylight Time, pcstarship@home.com writes: << Brian, Just curious, how much of the five pounds is tax? - Ralph Couey >> Good point Ralph - an unbelievable 80% is taxation! This has always been the case in the UK and if you think that this taxation gives us the best road system and conditions in the world - YOU ARE WRONG! Currently our automobile industry is being accused of 'ripping off' the public with very high new car prices. As I have worked in the automobile industry for over 30 years, this really grieves me when you see how much our government is ripping us off on every gallon of gas that we purchase. They also take 17.5% tax from every new car that is sold as well - and they are trying to get manufacturers to REDUCE new prices. I expect they will make up the losses on an increased gas tax! I found that driving out of New York was so easy compared to our M25 around London and our very congested roads and streets within London. Pennsylvania was an absolute dream for driving, and you guys are so polite. After yet another vacation in the USA - I think that this was my 28th visit in 21 years - I just love your country!! Brian Millman Reading England 90 PC800 - Candy Red - The Palm Tree PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP Mon, 3 Jul 2000 03:39:14 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ralph Couey" To: Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: PC Seen in PA Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 05:39:03 -0500 Brian, I'm glad you like it here! So, if I do my math right, taking off the 80% tax takes the price down to one pound per gallon, about $1.50. Adding our tax takes the price up to about $1.73, which is roughly what we're paying now. Boy, government is expensive, isn't it? --Ralph > In a message dated 03/07/00 02:00:18 GMT Daylight Time, pcstarship@home.com > writes: > > << Brian, > Just curious, how much of the five pounds is tax? > - Ralph Couey >> > > Good point Ralph - an unbelievable 80% is taxation! This has always been the > case in the UK and if you think that this taxation gives us the best road > system and conditions in the world - YOU ARE WRONG! > > Currently our automobile industry is being accused of 'ripping off' the > public with very high new car prices. As I have worked in the automobile > industry for over 30 years, this really grieves me when you see how much our > government is ripping us off on every gallon of gas that we purchase. They > also take 17.5% tax from every new car that is sold as well - and they are > trying to get manufacturers to REDUCE new prices. I expect they will make up > the losses on an increased gas tax! > > I found that driving out of New York was so easy compared to our M25 around > London and our very congested roads and streets within London. Pennsylvania > was an absolute dream for driving, and you guys are so polite. > > After yet another vacation in the USA - I think that this was my 28th visit > in 21 years - I just love your country!! > > Brian Millman > Reading > England > > 90 PC800 - Candy Red - The Palm Tree PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 05:49:09 -0500 From: Tony Miller To: HondaPC800Rider@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Filter Wrench? Why do ya need one... I agree. I had to use the phillips screwdriver method the first time, since it was put on too tight, but since I do my own oil changes, I am planning to just do it by hand from now on. I have never had an oil filter to leak around the gasket, and I have been installing and removing them by hand for 15 years (including cars). Only problem I run into is if I get oil on my hands before I remove the filter. That can make it difficult to get a good grip. My solution is that I now wear some latex gloves when changing oil, so I do not get any oil on my hands. Tony HondaPC800Rider@aol.com wrote: > > Most of my motorcycling experience have been on Hondas, and my personal > experience has been that if you need a wrench to remove your filter, then it > was just simply installed too tightly. > My VFR750 and F3 required the same MM9 filter as my PC, and even though the > space for my big claws is tight on the PC, I don't anticipate needing a > wrench for her either... Just spin it on until the gasket contacts the base, > then give it half to 3/4 turn and your set... > > I've stopped using the OE MM9 and now use a Mobil 1 M1-110 synthetic fiber > filter... > > Troy Doyle > 1997 PC800 "I will call her, Gabrielle" > Goose Creek, SC USA > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 08:42:36 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-PC800" Subject: PC800: "Soulless Appliances" Peter Egan's column in the latest Cycle World (Aug 2000) is about his selling off his Ducati 996 and getting a Honda CBR600F4. The best part is: But with every perfect tool there is always that unfortunate chance it will be seen as a "soulless appliance." (As my friend Phil Schilling says, "Everything I've ever owned that actually works has been described by someone as a 'soulless appliance.'") So I say the definition of "soulless appliance" is "a pejorative term for a motorcycle that doesn't break down". best, -- Chris Norloff, Virginia '92 Honda ST1100 ABS STOC #1290 '90 Honda Pacific Coast '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 3 Jul 00 09:39:42 EDT From: Christopher Russell-Wood To: jwessel@beanstalk.net Subject: Re: [PC800: My new riding buddy (long)] CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Jeff summed up this little trip perfectly. Great weather, great company, = great luck (that Jeff's eagle eyes spotted 3 inches of a Hondaline Tall windshi= eld from across such a busy street.) I was home by 11:00 p.m. Saturday after almost 900 miles for the day. Following route 40 whenever it split off fr= om the Interstate, I discovered that the most worthwhile parts say "scenic".= The rest just gets you stuck in traffic. Took a small detour to stop by a twi= sty little road off I-68 near Sideling Hill in western Maryland. Hopefully th= e link to the picture works... :-) http://photomail.photoworks.com/sharing/roll.asp?Key=3D5215009246160504 It was great to finally meet you - especially on a "ride to eat" lunch! W= here to next...? ;-) Chris Russell-Wood 1997 PC 800 "Footloose" 21,600 miles 'n rollin' Silver Spring, Maryland "jeff wessel" wrote: To all, Yesterday at 4 AM I got up showered drank day old coffee and hit the road= =2E Chris Russell-Wood had agreed to meet me "somewhere" in between Maryland where he lives and Indiana where I live. He gave me choices and I chose Columbus Oh. because I hoped that we could meet with the gang that I had noticed were organizing the Ohio ride. This left more distance for Chris than I but he didn't seem to mind. I've never traveled that early in the = day but now I know why some people like the early morning starts. I started b= efore the sun was up. There was some fog, not enough to be a problem, but enoug= h to fill the valleys and mist my windshield. No traffic!!!! It was really wonderful to travel the familiar roads close to my home without any traff= ic. As the sun rose, the fog cleared and I was in a rhythm. This was my first= destination based journey on my PC and I hurried through the farmland tow= ards Columbus. I got great mileage, and my two newest additions, a Corbin seat= and Unique grips were delightful. The Unique grips are for tennis rackets. Th= ey wrapped over the stock and are designed to minimised shock. For $1.99 they are super. I had hurried enough that I had arrived one hou= r early!!! It was a good thing though because we had agreed to meet at a pl= ace that didn't exist on a road that was plenty busy. I decided to park in a restaurant that had empty places that were only a few feet from the road = so that Chris would see me. When I parked, I noticed only about three inches= of windsheild above other vehicles in the parking lot across the street. I w= ent across and found a PC from Maryland. I knew it had to be him. I took off = my jacket helmet etc. and out of the Home Depot came Chris grinning from ear= to ear. We talked for a while then ate together. During lunch we decided to = go to Marysville because I thought that I might be able to remember a route tha= t was given to me at last year's Homecoming. I remembered some of it, we saw 4 = of the seven bridges that were featured in the route. After that we said out= goodbyes and off I went toward home. I think that I've bruised my butt, t= hat Corbin is really hard, even with a sheepskin on it I suffered on the ride= home. I still enjoyed my ride, but I think that I have too many nerve sen= sors where they aren't doing me any good. All in all a great ride. My route included great scenery, great curves and great company. The road= was diverse, I was able to go fast, slow (watch that gravel), up, down, right and left. I now pronounce Freebee to be in excellent health. (Freeb= ee was bought in Dec. and since then I have been making sure that this ten y= ear old is in perfect shape). Jeff 90 PC (Freebee) P.S. Hey Chris are you home yet? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Fenwick" To: Subject: PC800: Anyone passing through Illinois going to AR ride? Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 09:50:53 -0500 I would like to join in on the AR ride, but am somewhat hesitiant to due = to the fact that this would be my first "long" ride. Is there anyone planning on attending that will be passing through = Illinois (or even IN east of Indianapolis) that wouldn't mind having = someone "tagging along" for part of the trip? I would be able to "pick = up" on your route anywhere in IL. Someone heading south from = Chicago/Wisconsin on I-57, I-55, or I-39 would be perfect. I could even = "catch" someone cutting across on I-70 from Indiana. All of these = interstates pass within 1 hour of my home. Please let me know if this is a possibility for anyone. Thanks!=20 Rich Fenwick rfenwick@core.com http://pc_800.tripod.com 1990 Honda PC800 HRCA - HM725413 that will be=20 passing through Illinois (or even IN east of Indianapolis) that wouldn't = mind=20 having someone "tagging along" for part of the trip?  I would be = able to=20 "pick up" on your route anywhere in IL.  Someone heading south from = Chicago/Wisconsin on I-57, I-55, or I-39 would be perfect.  I could = even=20 "catch" someone cutting across on I-70 from Indiana.  All of these=20 interstates pass within 1 hour of my home.
 
Please let me know if this is a = possibility for=20 anyone.  Thanks! 
 
Rich Fenwick
rfenwick@core.com
http://pc_800.tripod.com
1990 = Honda=20 PC800
HRCA - HM725413
 
 
 
 
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Steve_Steinsapir@taxfin.adp.com for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 03 Jul 2000 11:28:08 -0400 Mon, 3 Jul 2000 11:28:06 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 08:26:16 -0700 Subject: PC800: Filter wrench - HELP! Never start working on your bike on Sunday evening. My bike is sitting in my driveway as I am writing this. This is the first time that I have done any work on my bike. I have put 3000 on the bike since getting it last year and I felt that I didn't want to spend a lot of money having someone else do my oil. I decided to do it myself. I was able to get the drain plug undone and drained the oil. When I got to the oil filter I couldn't get it to budge. I was using a cap that goes over the end of the filter - the size is right for the new filter, but I suspect the old filter is a little different. Anyhow, when I attempted to unscrew it the cap slipped and wouldn't budge the filter. I decided to try the old screw-driver through the filter. I supect that the gorilla that put the filter on before torqued it too tight. It wouldn't budge with the screwdriver game. I have given up at the moment. I am going to the candy store (Bert's in Covina) today to get a filter wrench that will fit the small filter. I am not going to chance a different hole in the filter in fear of compromizing the structure of the filter any more than I have. Anyone else go through something similar? Steven Steinsapir '89 PC800 - "Pacific Pearl" KF6USJ - San Gabriel Valley Steve_Steinsapir@taxfin.adp.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Mon, 3 Jul 2000 11:30:42 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "jeff wessel" To: Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: Filter wrench - HELP! Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 10:46:47 -0500 Steve, It seems that every time I get a new vehicle the same thing happens to me. I have two methods that ALWAYS work. On the PC, you have excellent access to the filter, so you can use a pair of muffler pliers, or if it is really being a pain take a chisel and carefully put it on the flange of the filter where it meets the bike. Tap the chisel with a hammer being very careful not to allow it to touch the PC. It really is easy and you'll never need the wrench anyway after you self install the new filter correctly. Hope this helps, Jeff 90 PC (Freebee) ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: To: Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 10:26 AM Subject: PC800: Filter wrench - HELP! > > Never start working on your bike on Sunday evening. > > > My bike is sitting in my driveway as I am writing this. This is the first time > that I have done any work on my bike. I have put 3000 on the bike since getting > it last year and I felt that I didn't want to spend a lot of money having > someone else do my oil. I decided to do it myself. > > I was able to get the drain plug undone and drained the oil. When I got to the > oil filter I couldn't get it to budge. I was using a cap that goes over the end > of the filter - the size is right for the new filter, but I suspect the old > filter is a little different. Anyhow, when I attempted to unscrew it the cap > slipped and wouldn't budge the filter. I decided to try the old screw-driver > through the filter. I supect that the gorilla that put the filter on before > torqued it too tight. It wouldn't budge with the screwdriver game. I have > given up at the moment. I am going to the candy store (Bert's in Covina) today > to get a filter wrench that will fit the small filter. I am not going to chance > a different hole in the filter in fear of compromizing the structure of the > filter any more than I have. > > Anyone else go through something similar? > > > > Steven Steinsapir > > '89 PC800 - "Pacific Pearl" > KF6USJ - San Gabriel Valley > Steve_Steinsapir@taxfin.adp.com > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 12:03:18 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: My report installing Fog Lamps - long To: captaintupperware@yahoo.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) captaintupperware@yahoo.com writes: > I have electrical tape holding the >switch in place for the "curing" period - but >seriously doubt the supplied double tape will hold. My fog light switch has been fastened to the handlebar plastic just above my starter button for the past 2 years, about 28,000 miles, and it is still secure. I don't think you have anything to worry about. Tim Davies Seneca Falls, New York 13148 '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 13:06:31 -0400 Subject: Re(2): PC800: A delicate subject re: seating To: anderson@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) I knew I should not have waited for my return from Colorado to catch up on my PC800 List mail. If I had only known while I was there I would have asked Bill to model them for me. Maybe even a seminar/runway show for the whole HSTA group:-) Tim Davies Seneca Falls, New York 13148 '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" anderson@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu writes: >On the continuing thread of bike shorts- my husband just embarked on >a couple-thousand mile trip, and he tried those bike shorts for the >first time (the kind with the padding in them), and although he was >skeptical when he left, after the first 635-mile day he called and >was pretty enthusiastic. > >Of course, he doesn't ride a PC, poor thing. > > >> > >> >Actually, a lot of what the cyclists use can be readily adapted to our >> >uses... Clothing wise, at least. >> > > >Betty Lise Anderson, Associate Professor >The Ohio State University Department of Electrical Engineering >205 Dreese Laboratory, 2015 Neil Avenue >Columbus, Ohio check out the cool zip code 43210 >http://eewww.eng.ohio-state.edu/~anderson/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 14:29:17 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Northern Arkansas Ride To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) I just got off the phone with the Holiday Inn in Russellville, AR and I have a room reserved for Friday and Saturday, July 15 &16. Other than the reservation I have not made any other travel plans to date. I'm fresh from my 4,150 mile round trip to Colorado so this 2,550 mile round rip to Arkansas should be relaxing:-) If I was Chris Russell-Wood I'm sure I could say I'd make the 18 hour trip in one day:-), but I'm guessing two days. I've not yet come up with a route I want to take, but as soon as I get all my things in order from my week and a half away in Colorado I'll let y'all (I'm practicing for the weekend) know about it. Tim Davies Seneca Falls, New York 13148 '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 14:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 14:41:54 EDT Subject: PC800: Mobil Oil Filter M1-110 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I spoke to Mobil, and then on the suggestion of Mobil, to the manufacture. They said that the M1 filter was not recommended for motorcycles. The Mobil Filters seem slightly longer than either the Fram or Wix Filters. I don't know who is using them on the list, but I sure would be interested in their experience. Bernie 94 PC 65K Overland Park, KS -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:04:33 -0700 (PDT) From: victoria sheets Subject: Re: PC800: Northern Arkansas Ride...go or no go? To: sge2000@att.net, PC800 List Hi All.... Charley and I still plan to attend the ride...looking forward to it....Our ride over there this weekend was wonderful and we can't wait to go back...Will post more, later, on our weekend for those interested... Charley and Vicky Sheets '95 PC800 "Hakuna Matata" Olive Branch, Ms. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Russ Goff" To: "pc800listserver" Subject: Re: PC800: Mobil Oil Filter M1-110 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 20:04:33 +0100 Just a small question. How do you know how long an oil filter lasts? Do you do a flow test or something? Do you keep the filter in until it clogs? It just seems that some folks on the list have so few worries in their lives that they have to find something to fret about. Like the difference between 75 weight and 80 weight oils. Multigrade or not etc. etc. Which type of oil filter. It really donnt matter as long as you change it once in a while. Come on , it really makes no difference in the real world. Quit worrying and get out there and ride the damn bike. Russ City & Guilds Motorcycle Mechanic '89 PC800 "Obelix" Landrover Discovery V8 EFi - LPG dual fuel "Binky" ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: To: Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 7:41 PM Subject: PC800: Mobil Oil Filter M1-110 > I spoke to Mobil, and then on the suggestion of Mobil, to the manufacture. > They said that the M1 filter was not recommended for motorcycles. The Mobil > Filters seem slightly longer than either the Fram or Wix Filters. > > I don't know who is using them on the list, but I sure would be interested > in their experience. > > > > Bernie > 94 PC 65K > Overland Park, KS > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: LaidbackSquirtt@webtv.net (Dave Klein) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 14:13:32 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Fwd: Harly Snippets --WebTV-Mail-21143-4621 --WebTV-Mail-21143-4621 storefull-224.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 16:49:27 -0700 (PDT) mailsorter-101-9.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/ms.dwm.v7+dul2) with ESMTP id QAA25626; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 16:49:26 -0700 (PDT) karazm.math.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAE13432; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:49:02 -0500 (CDT) SAA04153 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:48:03 -0500 (CDT) with ESMTP id 9474846E2; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 16:48:36 -0700 (PDT) -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: LaidbackSquirtt@webtv.net (Dave Klein) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:48:36 -0500 (EST) To: fenwick@nn.com (R. Fenwick) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: "Snippets" from Harley "For Sale" ads... --WebTV-Mail-9361-3769 I found your Snippets absolutely Amazing! I thought Made in USA & Recent Model year Harley's were suppose to be Reliable. Are Harley's really that poor Quality.? If so--shure glad i don't own one! We really are blessed with the PC. I wanted to buy a Jeep Grand Cherokee{the new ones} untill i heard about all there Quality Problems. I wanted to buy a K1200LT till i learned they have there problems & they charge you a Arm & Leg for everything. Dave Klein 97PC800 16,000 miles--Bought New Love the Open front wheel---Sold Me!! White Shoei Fullface Aerostitch 1 peice Suit--Black w/ Red trim --WebTV-Mail-9361-3769 storefull-223.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:26:24 -0700 (PDT) mailsorter-101-6.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/ms.dwm.v7+dul2) with ESMTP id OAA01579; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:26:20 -0700 (PDT) karazm.math.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAE09534; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 16:23:28 -0500 (CDT) sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03154 for ; with SMTP id QAA32327 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 16:22:42 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 16:22:40 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "R. Fenwick" Subject: PC800: "Snippets" from Harley "For Sale" ads... These were all in Harley "For Sale" ads To keep it fair, these were for 1990's to 2000's only... Engine rebuilt at 20K Engine job Newly reworked motor 5K on HD rebuilt engine Engine rebuilt top to bottom (bike had 8,000 miles) Engine rebuilt in last 1,000 miles Motor rebuilt last year (bike had 31,000 miles) 500 miles in rebuilt engine Rebuilt top end Fresh upper end Fresh overhaul Fresh top end Motor totally rebuilt in '98 Rebuilt motor at 14K HD Rebuilt engine 2,000 miles on motor after professionally reworked 18,400mi on frame, 5700mi on engine less than 600 miles on new engine/ bottom end/ clutch low miles on new engine lots of engine work done And my favorite--- A repair log... 1995 Harley Davidson FLSTN Nostalgia, 31,196 miles. In 1998 rebuilt starter, 1999, replaced battery, 1999, replaced stator, 1999 new cam, 1999, shaved heads, new rings, valve job, new pushrods, and gaskets, jetted carb., 1999 new voltage regulator, 2000 new ignition switch. How lucky we are! Desmond got me to thinking about this, with his informal Sunday paper survey, then Peter's comment below, put me into action, to compose this list... Peter Noeth wrote: >Seems he should have just bought a Harley if that is what he wanted. Would >probably have been cheeper than all the aftermarket changes. And no sense >ruining an otherwise nice looking Honda. No, he wanted the IMAGE of a Harley as well as the RELIABILITY of a Honda!!! Rich Fenwick Illinois 1990 PC800 Rich Fenwick Illinois Fresh upper end
Fresh overhaul
Fresh top end
Motor totally rebuilt in '98
Rebuilt motor at 14K
HD Rebuilt engine
2,000 miles on motor after professionally reworked
18,400mi on frame, 5700mi on engine
less than 600 miles on new engine/ bottom end/ clutch
low miles on new engine
lots of engine work done

And my favorite--- A repair log...

1995 Harley Davidson FLSTN Nostalgia, 31,196 miles. In 1998 rebuilt starter, 1999, replaced battery, 1999, replaced stator, 1999 new cam, 1999, shaved heads, new rings, valve job, new pushrods, and gaskets, jetted carb., 1999 new voltage regulator, 2000 new ignition switch.

How lucky we are!  Desmond got me to thinking about this, with his informal Sunday paper survey, then Peter's comment below, put me into action, to compose this list...

Peter Noeth wrote:
>Seems he should have just bought a Harley if that is what he wanted. Would
>probably have been cheeper than all the aftermarket changes. And no sense
>ruining an otherwise nice looking Honda.

No, he wanted the IMAGE of a Harley as well as the RELIABILITY of a Honda!!!


Rich Fenwick
Illinois
1990 PC800



Rich Fenwick
Illinois
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. --WebTV-Mail-9361-3769-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. --WebTV-Mail-21143-4621-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 13:58:26 -0500 From: Steve DeLorey To: sge2000@att.net CC: PC800 List Subject: Re: PC800: Northern Arkansas Ride...go or no go? Steve et al, I've been able to delegate my class for the 15th along with a few other chores so I will be there. Mark, where and when do you want to meet for the trip down there? Maybe I better come by your house this time just to make sure you make it to the rendezvous. :-) Steve DeLorey sge2000@att.net wrote: > Tim, > > The Northern Arkansas ride IS happening. I am sending > to you off-list a couple of messages I posted last week > with details. > > I do not know how many participants we will have. A > small number of people have recently indicated their > intention to be there. It would be of value to hear > from those who have expressed an interest what their > current plans are. > > My PC is running properly now. I'm a little afraid to > announce that it is fixed, as I've been wrong 3 times > about the cause of the problem. If it shows no > recurrence of the electrical problem between now and > then, I am going on the ride. > > I plan to leave Kansas City mid-afternoon on Friday, > July 14, and stay at the Holiday Inn in Russellville, > AR, Friday and Saturday nights. I would be interested > in riding with anyone from this area down or back, if > schedules permit. (Bernie?) > > Tim, I hope you can be there. You will be a credible > contender for the long distance award! (If this were > the sort of organized event to have such awards!) ;-) > > -- > Steve Ewens > Lee's Summit, MO > '89 PC800 > > > > > > I've been looking over the messages that appeared while I was at STAR 2000 in > > Colorado for the past week and I can't quite figure out if this ride is on or > > not. When I left a week ago Steve Ewens was discouraged with a variety of > > things and was offering the final organization task to anyone who wanted it. > > > > Anybody have a definitive report on the status of the weekend? > > > > Tim Davies > > Seneca Falls, New York 13148 > > '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" > > > > AMA #688662 > > HSTA #8387 > > HRCA #HM100878 > > > > "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" > > > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: xcontrol@erols.com for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 15:22:17 -0400 To: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: RE: PC800: Mobil Oil Filter M1-110 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 15:20:48 -0400 Importance: Normal I disagree, I think there is nothing wrong with examining issues, no matter how detailed they may be. Many long term problem have been discovered to have been caused by minor decisions early on, such as antifreeze choices, with silicates, to name one. I have been riding 100+ miles every day, and still enjoy reading all the posts here so I hope no one will be deterred from posting questions or information. Thanks Chris -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of Russ Goff Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 3:05 PM To: pc800listserver Subject: Re: PC800: Mobil Oil Filter M1-110 Just a small question. How do you know how long an oil filter lasts? Do you do a flow test or something? Do you keep the filter in until it clogs? It just seems that some folks on the list have so few worries in their lives that they have to find something to fret about. Like the difference between 75 weight and 80 weight oils. Multigrade or not etc. etc. Which type of oil filter. It really donnt matter as long as you change it once in a while. Come on , it really makes no difference in the real world. Quit worrying and get out there and ride the damn bike. Russ City & Guilds Motorcycle Mechanic '89 PC800 "Obelix" Landrover Discovery V8 EFi - LPG dual fuel "Binky" ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: To: Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 7:41 PM Subject: PC800: Mobil Oil Filter M1-110 > I spoke to Mobil, and then on the suggestion of Mobil, to the manufacture. > They said that the M1 filter was not recommended for motorcycles. The Mobil > Filters seem slightly longer than either the Fram or Wix Filters. > > I don't know who is using them on the list, but I sure would be interested > in their experience. > > > > Bernie > 94 PC 65K > Overland Park, KS > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 15:43:37 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Riding buddies To: jwessel@beanstalk.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) jwessel@beanstalk.net writes: >To all, >I'm pretty lucky in that my wife rides a PC. That gives me a built in riding >buddy. She's only been riding for one year. I don't want to complain, but >when I ride with her I need to ride more slowly and less distance than I >would like. Also, she rides less frequently. When we go on trip, she goes >further and faster, I don't know why. Anyway, I've also ridden with two of >my neighbors, one of which is bike limited, the other is enthusiastic and >capable, but owns no bike so I loan him one, a far from perfect solution. >I've ridden with 'wingers from time to time. This is a little too sedate for >me and stopping every few miles for food or ice cream isn't my way. I've >ridden with cruisers, but so far that's not right either. I hooked up with >some sport bikers and had a lot of fun, but they are all younger and either >braver or more stupid than I. The best group that I've ridden with so far >was a group of beemers. I caught up with them on the highway, and rode with >them for about 20 miles. Their type of riding speed etc. matched my >comfort/intensity level perfectly. I generally ride alone, but I would like >to share the experience with a "buddy". >Jeff (Freebee) > I don't know where you are located Jeff, but you might want to check out the Honda Sport Touring Association (HSTA)... Honda ownership is not required. These guys and gals sound like the type of people you want to buddy up with since you had fun with the sport bikers. HSTA members tend to be chronically more mature, but there is a good cross section of skilled craziness in their riding styles. Some states have very active groups and others have only a few members. If I knew you state I could tell you how many members are there. The annual meeting, held in Avon, Colorado last week, draws hundreds of members. This year in Avon there were about 575 of us. Next year's rally (or rendezvous as they call it) will be in Pennsylvania. The HSTA web site is www.ridehsta.com Tim Davies Seneca Falls, New York 13148 '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Desmond Cockburn" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Filter wrench - HELP! Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 13:05:07 PDT >From: Steve. (Big snips here, Steve has a stuck oil filter.) >Anyone else go through something similar? Steve, The filter on my 95 was also stuck on pretty tight when I did my first oil change at home. I happen to find a giant pair of channel lock pliers in the bottom of the old tool box. Just barely had room to fit them on and took a fair bit of muscle and some whispered naughty words to get it to turn. Once it started to turn it came off pretty easily. I cleaned up the mounting flange on the motor block with a Scotch Brite pad and wiped that area off with a tad of gas on a shop rag to insure the gasket contact area was good and clean with no bits of old rubber sticking there. After the first change the following filters have spun off with no fuss, I use a metal cap type wrench I got from the Honda store. Had to change the position of the muffler clamping bolts as one of them was hanging on the filter wrench. Keep us posted on your progress. > > Des, 95 PC, Dream Weaver Okmulgee, Ok. "Motorcyclists know why dogs hang their heads out car windows." Randle Bains ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 16:16:28 -0400 Subject: Re(2): PC800: Tire rating To: ron@frodo.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) ron@frodo.com writes: >H is good for 130 MPH, V for 150 MPH, How fast yah go? > >Happy Trails, >RK (who hopes to put his new front ME880 on tomorrow) >1990 PC800 "BaldFoot" (new name tomorrow?) You wouldn't be asking that question Ron if you had ever ridden with Jim T from NJ:-) Tim Davies Seneca Falls, New York 13148 '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Steve_Steinsapir@taxfin.adp.com for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 03 Jul 2000 16:48:20 -0400 Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:49:24 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 13:47:44 -0700 Subject: Re: PC800: Filter wrench - HELP! - update Update: I went to the local WalMart and picked up a pair of oil filter pliers. Why they are called a pair can be a topic of another discussion. I feel that I can get a pretty good grip - they are pricey for oil wrenches, but it is a lot cheaper and easier than pushing/hauling my bike to a shop to get the d*mn filter off. I'll update people on Wednesday. I am working today and won't get to the bike till this evening. Thanks for the help and the reassurance that this thing will come off and life will be wonderful again. To bad I had to work today, it would have been a wonderful day to ride. Steven Steinsapir '89 PC800 - "Pacific Pearl" Steve_Steinsapir@taxfin.adp.com Life is like a game of poker. Except, you don,t get to keep the money when you cash in the chips. "Desmond Cockburn" on 07/03/2000 01:05:07 PM ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu cc: (bcc: Steven Steinsapir/Business Continuity Services/Operations/SanDimas) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Filter wrench - HELP! >From: Steve. (Big snips here, Steve has a stuck oil filter.) >Anyone else go through something similar? Steve, The filter on my 95 was also stuck on pretty tight when I did my first oil change at home. I happen to find a giant pair of channel lock pliers in the bottom of the old tool box. Just barely had room to fit them on and took a fair bit of muscle and some whispered naughty words to get it to turn. Once it started to turn it came off pretty easily. I cleaned up the mounting flange on the motor block with a Scotch Brite pad and wiped that area off with a tad of gas on a shop rag to insure the gasket contact area was good and clean with no bits of old rubber sticking there. After the first change the following filters have spun off with no fuss, I use a metal cap type wrench I got from the Honda store. Had to change the position of the muffler clamping bolts as one of them was hanging on the filter wrench. Keep us posted on your progress. > > Des, 95 PC, Dream Weaver Okmulgee, Ok. "Motorcyclists know why dogs hang their heads out car windows." Randle Bains ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 13:49:55 -0700 (PDT) From: J Serlo Subject: PC800: Finally did it! To: PC 800 List I'm an outside sales man. For years I've watched bikes on the road and said "that would be nice to do". Break up some of my 30K driving miles with a bike. Today I did it. I drove from Bethlehem PA to Trenton,NJ. 60 miles each way not bad. Faced a lot of new rider/bike fears, although I didn't plan it. On my way home I crossed the Delaware River Back into PA in Frenchtown NJ. Beautiful area, "I forgot about the "open grate bridge"! Wasn't too bad just weird like the tires were slipping left and right. OK back on track heading north on rt 32 in PA. Big sign "FRESH OIL" WHAT THE ##cK IS THIS? OK the fresh oil was only "LOOSE GRAVEL" on a road that follows the river twists and turns with traffic. OK get through the 7 miles of this. Finally 2 miles from home, getting dark Rain? Today? No not in the forecast. Oh No downpour! Pulled over put on my Chemical resistant jacket and went on my way. Made it!! Scared yes! MSF class helped! Not panicking Helped. I think I learned a lesson here. Biking is not easy, you have to want to do it or you're not be doing it for long. I do feel more expierence then when I left the house. But its not all peaches and cream is it? I think I'm hooked! Crazy aint it. The Bike's name is "Shamoo" Joe 89 PC Bethlehem, PA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 16:59:16 -0400 Subject: Re(2): PC800: Tourmaster Apparel? Anyone? To: dkelly@hiwaay.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) dkelly@hiwaay.net writes: >PC800 Rider writes: >> Dislikes: >> -Too long in the body so it "ballooned up" under my chin > >Obviously you didn't have the Cortech 3/4 long enough to learn the >zipper opens from the bottom just as well as it does from the top. So >just as you might zip it down to let air in from the top you can zip it >up from the bottom to spread around your lap. >-- >David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net I had it plenty long enough to "learn the zipper opens from the bottom", but this made no difference in the fit problem I experienced. My 30 days of use translates into about 1,500 miles of wear. It was also because of the length of the sides and back, along with the weight of the Cordura material, that caused the problem. To each his/her own. Tim Davies Seneca Falls, New York 13148 '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: DavidAklein@webtv.net (Dave Klein) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:26:13 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Any WebTV'ers Are there any WebTv user's out their?/ Dave Klein <*}}}>< Fort Wayne,IN 97 PC800 15,500mi. http://members.tripod.com/~pc800/ End Time Info: http://www.jvim.com E-mail Prayer requests to: http://www.The700Club.org/Prayer/index.asp?url=/Counseling -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 17:33:51 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Yankee Smuggler sighting To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: stombell@juno.com From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) stombell@juno.com writes: >The Yankee Smuggler and Tim Davies have been sighted in Eastern Iowa and >Western Nebraska on Saturday afternoon. My spouse and I had the pleasure >of escorting Tim and Robert for 130 miles. It's always good to see and >ride with people from the list. The weather was terrific and the company >unbeatable. > >I realize that few make the Great Plains a destination, usually, it's on >the way to where you are going. Let me know if you are going to be in >the area--I'd love to ride with you awhile. > >Pamela >Omaha, NE >98 PC I'm finally getting through all the mail from the List while I was away at STAR 2000 in Colorado and I got to Pamela's message. It was just as enjoyable for us to meet up with them also. I only wish it was not "on the way" to another destination. Maybe next time! I guess I'm one of the few who actually likes the Great Plains (lakes and green trees can get pretty boring too), but would have preferred time to take in the sights away from the Interstate highway. If any of you new members to the PC800 list have any reluctance about contacting fellow Listers as you travel the countryside (foreign or domestic) please don't give in to that feeling. I think I speak for the majority of active list members in saying we relish the opportunity to interact face to face with our community of friends on this list. In my travels over the past two years of ownership I've met up with 30 people from this list and each one is an individual I would not hesitate to meet up with again. I'm not sure they will say the same about me, but I can only hope:-) Tim Davies Seneca Falls, New York 13148 '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: tonylmiller@yahoo.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Filter Wrench? Why do ya need one... of "Mon, 03 Jul 2000 05:49:09 CDT." <39606FA5.2C471AE@freewwweb.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 16:37:42 -0500 Tony Miller writes: > Only problem I run into is if I get oil on my hands before I remove the > filter. That can make it difficult to get a good grip. My solution is > that I now wear some latex gloves when changing oil, so I do not get any > oil on my hands. When it comes time to put the filter on, I have a pair of $2 leather work gloves (mostly canvas) that I use. I put the filter on as tight as I can one handed wearing a leather work glove. Usually I can get same filter off with two hands wearing same gloves, it all depends on the access angles. Then again come to think of it I have fairly big hands. YMMV. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Steve_Steinsapir@taxfin.adp.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Filter wrench - HELP! of "Mon, 03 Jul 2000 08:26:16 PDT." <88256911.005550DC.00@taxfin.adp.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 16:42:28 -0500 Steve_Steinsapir@taxfin.adp.com writes: > > to get a filter wrench that will fit the small filter. I am not going to cha nce > a different hole in the filter in fear of compromizing the structure of the > filter any more than I have. > > Anyone else go through something similar? The screwdriver has to pry against something to work. The center post where the filter screws on is one choice. The other is to push the screwdriver all the way thru so you are effectively prying on both sides. I have a huge pair of slipjoint pliers that would easily fit over the filter. Couldn't/wouldn't have afforded these invaluable pliers had I not found them laying in the middle of a busy intersection. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: J Serlo cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Filter Wrench? of "Sun, 02 Jul 2000 18:50:01 PDT." <20000703015001.21519.qmail@web3405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 16:32:09 -0500 J Serlo writes: > Also I was at KMart today they have Mobile One on sale > for $ 3.79/qt. If you shop hard you can find 5 quart jugs for $15 at Walmart. Much harder to find the good 15W50 that way but sometimes you can. Of the 3 nearby Walmarts, none are any good about stocking the 5 quart Mobil-1, nor the brand and model of kitty litter I like to buy. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 17:57:44 -0500 From: Steve DeLorey To: J Serlo CC: PC 800 List Subject: Re: PC800: Finally did it! Joe, Your right it does take extra planning, and effort and not all route/destinations are worth it but after a while, you learn which is which. For instance I don't ride the bike when I'm heading downtown (east) but everything west of my place is "RIDIN TIME". Steve J Serlo wrote: > I'm an outside sales man. For years I've watched > bikes on the road and said "that would be nice to do". > Break up some of my 30K driving miles with a bike. > Today I did it. I drove from Bethlehem PA to > Trenton,NJ. 60 miles each way not bad. Faced a lot of > new rider/bike fears, although I didn't plan it. On > my way home I crossed the Delaware River Back into PA > in Frenchtown NJ. Beautiful area, "I forgot about > the "open grate bridge"! Wasn't too bad just weird > like the tires were slipping left and right. OK back > on track heading north on rt 32 in PA. Big sign > "FRESH OIL" WHAT THE ##cK IS THIS? OK the fresh oil > was only "LOOSE GRAVEL" on a road that follows the > river twists and turns with traffic. OK get through > the 7 miles of this. Finally 2 miles from home, > getting dark Rain? Today? No not in the forecast. > Oh No downpour! Pulled over put on my Chemical > resistant jacket and went on my way. Made it!! Scared > yes! MSF class helped! Not panicking Helped. > > I think I learned a lesson here. Biking is not easy, > you have to want to do it or you're not be doing it > for long. I do feel more expierence then when I left > the house. But its not all peaches and cream is it? > I think I'm hooked! Crazy aint it. > > The Bike's name is "Shamoo" > > Joe 89 PC Bethlehem, PA > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mark Gilb" To: "Steve DeLorey" Cc: "PC800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: Northern Arkansas Ride...go or no go? Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 19:09:58 -0500 Steve, that's probably a good idea for a couple of reasons. My house is much closer to the equator and therefore Arkansas and it would probably be easiest to get the group to meet here. I am only a few miles from 21 and 67 and there is a Waffle House about two blocks away !!!!!!. Give me a call later this week and we can get this set up. Mark G. ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve DeLorey" To: Cc: "PC800 List" Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 1:58 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Northern Arkansas Ride...go or no go? > Steve et al, > I've been able to delegate my class for the 15th along with a few other chores so I > will be there. > Mark, where and when do you want to meet for the trip down there? Maybe I better > come by your house this time just to make sure you make it to the rendezvous. :-) > > Steve DeLorey > sge2000@att.net wrote: > > > Tim, > > > > The Northern Arkansas ride IS happening. I am sending > > to you off-list a couple of messages I posted last week > > with details. > > > > I do not know how many participants we will have. A > > small number of people have recently indicated their > > intention to be there. It would be of value to hear > > from those who have expressed an interest what their > > current plans are. > > > > My PC is running properly now. I'm a little afraid to > > announce that it is fixed, as I've been wrong 3 times > > about the cause of the problem. If it shows no > > recurrence of the electrical problem between now and > > then, I am going on the ride. > > > > I plan to leave Kansas City mid-afternoon on Friday, > > July 14, and stay at the Holiday Inn in Russellville, > > AR, Friday and Saturday nights. I would be interested > > in riding with anyone from this area down or back, if > > schedules permit. (Bernie?) > > > > Tim, I hope you can be there. You will be a credible > > contender for the long distance award! (If this were > > the sort of organized event to have such awards!) ;-) > > > > -- > > Steve Ewens > > Lee's Summit, MO > > '89 PC800 > > > > > > > > > > > I've been looking over the messages that appeared while I was at STAR 2000 in > > > Colorado for the past week and I can't quite figure out if this ride is on or > > > not. When I left a week ago Steve Ewens was discouraged with a variety of > > > things and was offering the final organization task to anyone who wanted it. > > > > > > Anybody have a definitive report on the status of the weekend? > > > > > > Tim Davies > > > Seneca Falls, New York 13148 > > > '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" > > > > > > AMA #688662 > > > HSTA #8387 > > > HRCA #HM100878 > > > > > > "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" > > > > > > -- > > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (SMTPD32-5.05) id AE5349BE00E6; Mon, 03 Jul 2000 20:22:43 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael D. Linkous" To: "Pacific Coast" Subject: PC800: hard to start Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 20:17:01 -0400 My PC goes through times when it is hard to start. It is always the = very first time of the day. From then on, I have no problems. It is = almost easier to start in winter weather as I know I need the choke. = When it is 30-50 degrees, I pull the choke and it starts right up. It seems like in hot summer weather if I use the choke it floods it... = and if I don't use any choke, it isn't enough to start it. I never turn = the accelerator. Any advice? =20 ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ Michael D. Linkous www.inetone.net/mlinkous -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: xcontrol@erols.com for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 20:21:12 -0400 To: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: PC800: Tardis Update First Week Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 20:19:43 -0400 Importance: High Hello again everyone. I have been quiet for a few days, but I wanted to give everyone an update on my driving, and shifting progress. In the one week I have owned the bike I have put on 700 miles! Most of them have been excellent. My shifting is now about 60% perfect, I am working on the other 40%, and by those I mean,jerky, too much noise, etc. But I am definitely improving, but considering I have onyl been driving a week, I am happy, but nonetheless, I am still learning. The bike has been excellent, and despite my promise to post pictures of the maintenance, I wa rushed due to unstable weather and had to skip it, but I wanted to let everyone know that I have just completed the following service on my 1998 PC and if anyone needs info I am happy to help answer questions etc... Clutch Fluid Bleed and Replacement Brake Fluid Bleed and Replacement Cooland Drain, Flush and Replacement Oil Change Gear Fluid Change Spark Plug Changed The bike only has 6100 miles on it, but it is 2 years old, and several of the items should be done if a certain amount of time goes by. The bike does seem to idle a little rough when starting up, it sounds odd, doesn't stall, but doesn't sound perfect to me. So I will be probably cleanign the carbs with Honda spray cleaner, and I have a carb sync tool coming, so I will detail that also. Since that's always a good idea. Anyways: I am very very happy with the bike, I have taken my wife twice, and it rides great and we are both thrilled, especially with the storage capacity, it really lets us use this as transportation as much as fun. So I am very pleased, and now feel better having done the maintenance items. But again, if anyone wants one detailed, I will be happy to here, many of the items could not have been done without the tips and help from others here, but some of the things, I added my own bits too, as I am a bit anal about fluid changes, etc. AnywaysL I am off to the fireworks, have a great 4th, its gonna rain tommorrow (sucks!) so I will be riding later this week. Thanks again Chris 1998 PC The Tardis, thinking about changing the name to the Galatica, as it seems to be more of a cruiser ship than a phone booth. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: xcontrol@erols.com for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 20:23:03 -0400 To: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: PC800: Covers, which one will fit? Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 20:21:34 -0400 Importance: Normal I want to buy a cover to keep onboard in case of showers while I am at work, or have to leave it outside overnight in the rain. Can someone reccomend a good one that is good quality, won't melt from sun or engine heat, and fits the PC well. I had seen a skin tight one that looked good for keeping the rain beading off, but I don't know what size to get. Thanks again Chris 98 PC The Tardis -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (SMTPD32-5.05) id A02D45C40132; Mon, 03 Jul 2000 20:30:37 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael D. Linkous" To: "Pacific Coast" Subject: PC800: spark plugs (& tire preference) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 20:24:57 -0400 I was at a Honda dealer today and asked about spark plugs. I was going to change mine myself. I have only had the plastic off a few times, but if I recall... both spark plugs are on the left side and the front one is inside pretty deep. I should just only have to take off the left side panel. Is this correct? The parts guy swears that there is one on each side... but I am thinking different. Any tips or hints when changing the plugs?? Another thing... (I don't want to start a fuss) but TIRES..... For those of you who have tried both Dunlop's and Meltzeler's, which do you prefer? I have 15,000 miles on mine and almost ready to replace the (Dunlop) tires for a second time. I have been averaging 8K a set. I was hoping for much better mileage and was wondering if Meltzelers seem to have a longer life. ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ Michael D. Linkous www.inetone.net/mlinkous -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: xcontrol@erols.com for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 20:25:33 -0400 To: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: PC800: Integrated Garage Door Opener or Stereo Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 20:24:04 -0400 Importance: Normal I have the misfortune of having a gravel driveway, and its on a slope, and its a pain to take out the remote, and press it while staying in gear and pulling in smoothly. I would like to modify my garage door opener with a switch that I can install in the dash. Has anyone else done this, and have any tips? I think it would be neat, since the switch would be umarked and it only works closeby so there are ot really any security issues, andI would remotely mount the unit under the dash or even further away for battery changes. This would make it much easier. Also has anyone got a good stereo or speaker recomendation, how do I get grilles, can I get the Honda replacement grills that fit the old built in stereo they sold as a part? Thanks Thanks Chris -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 21:03:12 -0400 Subject: PC800: Metzeler ME880 Update To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) There seem to be a lot of Coasters ready to get new tires and asking about Metzeler ME880 compared to the Dunlop OEM K555, so I thought I'd give you all an update on my ME880 tires. I had a set (Front- 120/80-17 H, Rear- 140/80-15 H) installed on 8/31/99 after getting 20,023 miles on the rear Dunlop K555 and about 2,000 to 3,000 mi. left on the front Dunlop K555 tire. I have put 13,639 miles on them since installation and see very little sign of wear even after a trip through Deal's Gap and about 650 miles in the Rocky Mountains. The tread is still nice and deep on both the front and rear. Unfortunately I did not measure the tread depth when new so I can't give you any more exact wear evaluation than a visual one. If someone has a new set and wants to take the measurement I will be glad to measure my tread depth to compare. Someone at STAR 2000 asked if I thought the ME880 was "sticky" enough compared to the Dunlops. Now how does one answer that question? They haven't slipped out from under me, nor did the Dunlops, so I guess they are sticky enough. I'm always amazed at the weird questions people ask about motorcycle equipment. The only discernable difference I have noted between the two brands is the greatly improved handling on grooved pavement and open grate bridges. Tim Davies Seneca Falls, New York 13148 '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-66702U35000L35000S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 20:17:58 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve Wilson" To: "Pacific Coast" Subject: Re: PC800: spark plugs (& tire preference) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 20:16:14 -0500 Actually you and the parts guy are both wrong. I don't have enough miles on my ME880 yet so I can't offer any help with what you asked about the tires but I can tell you that you need to go back to your dealer and ask him for a service manual. Oh, and for 4 plugs too. :-) Steve Wilson Ruston LA. ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael D. Linkous" > I was at a Honda dealer today and asked about spark plugs. I was going to > change mine myself. I have only had the plastic off a few times, but if I > recall... both spark plugs are on the left side and the front one is inside > pretty deep. I should just only have to take off the left side panel. Is > this correct? The parts guy swears that there is one on each side... but I > am thinking different. Any tips or hints when changing the plugs?? > > Another thing... (I don't want to start a fuss) but TIRES..... For those of > you who have tried both Dunlop's and Meltzeler's, which do you prefer? I > have 15,000 miles on mine and almost ready to replace the (Dunlop) tires for > a second time. I have been averaging 8K a set. I was hoping for much > better mileage and was wondering if Meltzelers seem to have a longer life. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: , "List-PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: "Soulless Appliances" Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 18:31:36 -0700 A fascinating post. On the subject of appliances with soul, or the ability to become addicted, I offer this true vignette which occurred Sunday morning. The single lady who lives across the street was trying to start her lawn mower--a Snapper with the B & S 4 stroke. I was busy chatting with son and friend and mucking about their motorcycles, so I was not aware until my wife asked that I go over and help her. I didn. "I usually just put some gas in the carburetor," she said, removing the air filter screw and the air filter, "but I don't have any gas." "How about some starting fluid," I said. "That way we'll see if there is any spark at all." "Oh, I try not to use it. I was warned that it would lead to ETHER DEPENDENT CARBURETOR." I came home, got the starter fluid, and cranked it and it ran. I am still puzzling over her comment. Only now I kinda see: An appliance with a soul could also become addicted.... Lee Barker 95 "Secondo con Brio" > Peter Egan's column in the latest Cycle World (Aug 2000) is about his selling off his Ducati 996 and getting a Honda CBR600F4. > > The best part is: > > But with every perfect tool there is always that unfortunate chance it will be seen as a "soulless appliance." (As my friend Phil Schilling says, "Everything I've ever owned that actually works has been described by someone as a 'soulless appliance.'") > > > So I say the definition of > "soulless appliance" is > "a pejorative term for a motorcycle that doesn't break down". > > best, > > -- > Chris Norloff, Virginia > '92 Honda ST1100 ABS STOC #1290 > '90 Honda Pacific Coast > '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar > -- > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-66702U35000L35000S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 20:25:23 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve Wilson" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Metzeler ME880 Update Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 20:23:37 -0500 Just a little note about something I read about the ME880s. A guy on the Long Distance Rider list, just posted a note comparing the wear of the Dunlop 491 with the ME880 on his ST1100. He said the 880 far outlast the 491's and this is from a list where guys that go through tires like most motorcycle riders go through tanks of gas. :-) Steve Wilson Ruston LA. ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PC800 Rider" > > I have put 13,639 miles on them since installation and see very little sign of > wear even after a trip through Deal's Gap and about 650 miles in the Rocky > Mountains. The tread is still nice and deep on both the front and rear. > Unfortunately I did not measure the tread depth when new so I can't give you > any more exact wear evaluation than a visual one. If someone has a new set and > wants to take the measurement I will be glad to measure my tread depth to > compare. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-66702U35000L35000S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 20:32:28 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve Wilson" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Metzeler ME880 Update Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 20:30:40 -0500 Nevermind, he was comparing the Dunlop 591 to the ME880. Never was good with numbers! Steve Wilson Ruston LA. ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve Wilson" To: Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 8:23 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Metzeler ME880 Update > Just a little note about something I read about the ME880s. > A guy on the Long Distance Rider list, just posted a note comparing the > wear of the Dunlop 491 with the ME880 on his ST1100. He said the 880 far > outlast the 491's and this is from a list where guys that go through > tires like most motorcycle riders go through tanks of gas. :-) > Steve Wilson Ruston LA. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "PC800 Rider" > > > > I have put 13,639 miles on them since installation and see very little > sign of > > wear even after a trip through Deal's Gap and about 650 miles in the > Rocky > > Mountains. The tread is still nice and deep on both the front and > rear. > > Unfortunately I did not measure the tread depth when new so I can't > give you > > any more exact wear evaluation than a visual one. If someone has a new > set and > > wants to take the measurement I will be glad to measure my tread depth > to > > compare. > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: sge2000@att.net by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP Tue, 4 Jul 2000 02:22:20 +0000 To: "Fenwick" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) Subject: Re: PC800: Anyone passing through Illinois going to AR ride? Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 02:22:19 +0000 Rich, There are 2 or 3 St. Louis area riders planning to be in Arkansas. (Not to mention a couple of folks from much farther east who expressed interest earlier!) Below is the list of potential participants from nearly a month ago. I'm sure some of them will not be able to make it; others have indicated recently that they will. I bet you can hook up with somebody! Hope you can join us - it should be a great time! -- Steve Ewens Lee's Summit, MO '89 PC800 As of 6-11-00 4:00 pm ----------------------------------------------- David Sigsbee - Memphis, TN Doug Alexander - Paducah, KY Bernie Kohler - Overland Park, KS Chuck Chiodini - Heber Springs, AR Don and Deb Fruehling - Ft. Worth, TX Mark Gilb - Arnold, MO Jim Smith - Springfield, MO Ralph Couey - Columbia, MO Ed and Sharon Appler - Conway, AR Steve Wilson and wife - Ruston, LA David Sharum - Ft. Smith, AR Steve DeLorey - St. Louis area, MO Bob Ronecker - St. Louis, MO Christopher Russell-Wood - Silver Spring, MD Jim Terrill - Tulsa, OK Tim Davies - Seneca Falls, NY Vicky and Charlie Sheets - Olive Branch, MS Dennis Ewens - Grain Valley, MO Larry Burr - Springfield, MO Jeff Wessel - ?, IN Steve Ewens - Lee's Summit, MO > I would like to join in on the AR ride, but am somewhat hesitiant to due to the > fact that this would be my first "long" ride. > > Is there anyone planning on attending that will be passing through Illinois (or > even IN east of Indianapolis) that wouldn't mind having someone "tagging along" > for part of the trip? I would be able to "pick up" on your route anywhere in > IL. Someone heading south from Chicago/Wisconsin on I-57, I-55, or I-39 would > be perfect. I could even "catch" someone cutting across on I-70 from Indiana. > All of these interstates pass within 1 hour of my home. > > Please let me know if this is a possibility for anyone. Thanks! > > Rich Fenwick > rfenwick@core.com > http://pc_800.tripod.com > 1990 Honda PC800 > HRCA - HM725413 > > > > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: sge2000@att.net by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP Tue, 4 Jul 2000 02:47:10 +0000 To: victoria sheets Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) Subject: Re: PC800: Northern Arkansas Ride...go or no go? Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 02:47:09 +0000 Vicky, I'll look forward to hearing more about your weekend. It is starting to sound like we may have a pretty good turnout. I'm eager to meet you and Charley and the rest of our group! -- Steve Ewens Lee's Summit, MO '89 PC800 > > > Hi All.... > > Charley and I still plan to attend the ride...looking > forward to it....Our ride over there this weekend was > wonderful and we can't wait to go back...Will post > more, later, on our weekend for those interested... > > Charley and Vicky Sheets > '95 PC800 "Hakuna Matata" > Olive Branch, Ms. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: sge2000@att.net by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP Tue, 4 Jul 2000 02:50:04 +0000 To: Steve DeLorey Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) Subject: Re: PC800: Northern Arkansas Ride...go or no go? Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 02:50:04 +0000 Great, Steve! See you there. Keep an eye on Mark, but don't ride too close! ;-) -- Steve Ewens Lee's Summit, MO '89 PC800 > Steve et al, > I've been able to delegate my class for the 15th along with a few other chores > so I > will be there. > Mark, where and when do you want to meet for the trip down there? Maybe I better > come by your house this time just to make sure you make it to the rendezvous. > :-) > > Steve DeLorey > sge2000@att.net wrote: > > > Tim, > > > > The Northern Arkansas ride IS happening. I am sending > > to you off-list a couple of messages I posted last week > > with details. > > > > I do not know how many participants we will have. A > > small number of people have recently indicated their > > intention to be there. It would be of value to hear > > from those who have expressed an interest what their > > current plans are. > > > > My PC is running properly now. I'm a little afraid to > > announce that it is fixed, as I've been wrong 3 times > > about the cause of the problem. If it shows no > > recurrence of the electrical problem between now and > > then, I am going on the ride. > > > > I plan to leave Kansas City mid-afternoon on Friday, > > July 14, and stay at the Holiday Inn in Russellville, > > AR, Friday and Saturday nights. I would be interested > > in riding with anyone from this area down or back, if > > schedules permit. (Bernie?) > > > > Tim, I hope you can be there. You will be a credible > > contender for the long distance award! (If this were > > the sort of organized event to have such awards!) ;-) > > > > -- > > Steve Ewens > > Lee's Summit, MO > > '89 PC800 > > > > > > > > > > > I've been looking over the messages that appeared while I was at STAR 2000 > in > > > Colorado for the past week and I can't quite figure out if this ride is on > or > > > not. When I left a week ago Steve Ewens was discouraged with a variety of > > > things and was offering the final organization task to anyone who wanted it. > > > > > > Anybody have a definitive report on the status of the weekend? > > > > > > Tim Davies > > > Seneca Falls, New York 13148 > > > '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" > > > > > > AMA #688662 > > > HSTA #8387 > > > HRCA #HM100878 > > > > > > "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" > > > > > > -- > > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RBILLANDVAL@cs.com for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 23:00:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 23:00:07 EDT Subject: PC800: Another new "kid" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu My name is Bill Richardson. Live in San Antonio. 98PC named "Scoot". I now have just over 12000 on it, all trouble free miles. Purchased new in July 98. I took it to Shreveport this weekend (LOVE that trunk!) and really enjoyed the ride. I was a bit taken back by the sheer number of messages that built up over the weekend...Wow. For the person looking for a PC here in San Antonio, good luck, and let me know if you find one. I have seen a couple PC riders here but have not met any of them. Would be nice to have a riding buddy from time to time. My email: rbillandval@cs.com. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: LaidbackSquirtt@webtv.net (Dave Klein) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 22:34:22 -0500 (EST) To: xcontrol@erols.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 Mailing List) Subject: Re: PC800: Covers, which one will fit? I purchased mine from my Honda dealer. It is made especially for the PC by Honda. Only came in 1 color--Silver & of course has the Honda Wing & name on the side. Very Nice! Cost $89 new in summer of 1997. Don't know if you can still order it from Honda. Dave Klein -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ron Kimball To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Hot weather gear Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 23:38:08 -0400 I just ordered a kevlar re-enforced hot weather jacket & pants with foam armor for $177 delivered from these folks: http://www.brosh.com (warning: site is in Israel and intermittent) See internet BMW Rider's review at: http://www.ibmwr.org/prodreview/broshtex.html This was discussed on the Suzuki list and folks say they have been favorably reviewed on other lists, too. I also asked if they would do one in white, they say they can but never did because folks would be afraid of getting it dirty. I'm thinking of having one done after I check on fit on the one I have coming in. I've got a trip to houston planned for early August and would like to avoid riding in a t-shirt and shorts. Also a note on helmets: I find a shorty to be just as cool as no helmet at all. I bought mine last year after having to ride in a 100 degree F poker run helmetless. The Vector Ultralight Shorty (DOT Rated) is available in the white I have and black (for the image conscious ) for $35 here: http://www.cyclesupplywv.com/Specials/specials2.htm Happy Trails, RK ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:00:13 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ralph Couey" To: "Ron Kimball" , Subject: Re: PC800: Hot weather gear Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 23:00:05 -0500 Ron, SWMBO and I bought Brosh's last year and have been very happy with them. The Kevlar-reinforced shoulders and elbows with the hard and soft armor proved to be well made on the one occasion I had to stress-test mine. While they do real well in warm dry weather, they're a little uncomfortable in warm humid weather. But then, here in Missouri, the only way you'll be comfortable in warm humid is to cart an air conditioner around on your back. The reflector strips on the jacket function very well at night. The only drawback I see is if you go down, make sure you go down on the Kevlar. The rest of the jacket is thinner than a lot of t-shirts I own. > I just ordered a kevlar re-enforced hot weather jacket & pants with foam > armor for $177 delivered from these folks: > http://www.brosh.com (warning: site is in Israel and intermittent) > See internet BMW Rider's review at: > http://www.ibmwr.org/prodreview/broshtex.html > > This was discussed on the Suzuki list and folks say they have been favorably > reviewed on other lists, too. > > I also asked if they would do one in white, they say they can but never did > because folks would be afraid of getting it dirty. I'm thinking of having > one done after I check on fit on the one I have coming in. I've got a trip > to houston planned for early August and would like to avoid riding in a > t-shirt and shorts. > > Also a note on helmets: > I find a shorty to be just as cool as no helmet at all. I bought mine last > year after having to ride in a 100 degree F poker run helmetless. The Vector > Ultralight Shorty (DOT Rated) is available in the white I have and black (for > the image conscious ) for $35 here: > http://www.cyclesupplywv.com/Specials/specials2.htm > > Happy Trails, > RK > > > > ________________________________________________________ > 1stUp.com - Free the Web > Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: LaidbackSquirtt@webtv.net (Dave Klein) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 23:02:32 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Stunt Riding Anyone on this list ever do a Wheelie with there PC?? Is it Possible/dooable?? How about some of you guys with a Crotch Rocket---Ever try a Wheelie with your PC?? I've never heard anyone on this list talk about it, so i assume it can't be done because of it's weight & Shaft Drive. I'm not up to trying it for myself. Dave Klein -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: Subject: PC800: Fred Lamoreux's decals Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:30:45 -0700 Fred sent me some shots of his Tupperware decals--extremely creative! He has a (black) PC and he ordered the black decals and placed them on = the silver part below the PACIFIC COAST. Original, effective, and oh so stock looking! BTW, a gas station attendant noticed mine last weekend and he, too, now = believes. Lee Barker 95 "Secondo con Brio" mine last=20 weekend and he, too, now believes.
 
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-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. X-Provider: US Net - Where Business Connects! (tm) - 301-361-USNET US Net Web Site: http://www.us.net/ or via Email: info@us.net ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Dallas Thomason" To: "Michael D. Linkous" , "Pacific Coast" Subject: Re: PC800: hard to start Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 01:05:31 -0400 Michael Tune the throttle a bit, I do it all the time. Something I've noticed, is to put the bike in neutral as you park it for = the day. Otherwise, the clutch doesn't completely disengage the next = morning, until it gets moved about 100 feet. It also makes starting the = bike, (lurch forward) a bit puckerish. =20 Dallas =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael D. Linkous=20 To: Pacific Coast=20 Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 8:17 PM Subject: PC800: hard to start My PC goes through times when it is hard to start. It is always the = very first time of the day. From then on, I have no problems. It is = almost easier to start in winter weather as I know I need the choke. = When it is 30-50 degrees, I pull the choke and it starts right up. It seems like in hot summer weather if I use the choke it floods it... = and if I don't use any choke, it isn't enough to start it. I never turn = the accelerator. Any advice? =20 ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ Michael D. Linkous www.inetone.net/mlinkous -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Paco Solis" To: "Dave Klein" , Cc: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: Covers, which one will fit? Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 02:46:42 -0700 I have a DOWCO Protector PX-100 on my PC. Fits real good!!! More durable than the last Honda one I bought from he dealer and less money too. I think it was $68. No complaints! I put a larger one on my Harley! They are both holding up Extremely well! -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dave Klein To: xcontrol@erols.com Cc: PC800 Mailing List Date: Monday, July 03, 2000 8:34 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Covers, which one will fit? I purchased mine from my Honda dealer. It is made especially for the PC by Honda. Only came in 1 color--Silver & of course has the Honda Wing & name on the side. Very Nice! Cost $89 new in summer of 1997. Don't know if you can still order it from Honda. Dave Klein -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Paco Solis" To: "Dave Klein" , Subject: Re: PC800: Stunt Riding Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 03:25:03 -0700 Did one last week and really was not trying to do so. I popped the clutch into my drive way and to my surprise I had a unicycle for a short second! Didn't last long. I ran out of drive way real quick! I have tried a few times in the past! Mostly unsuccessful. So unsuccessful that I gave up trying long ago. The first time It was in front of a Patrol Bike! I know SMOOTH MOVE! I took off from a stop sign and turned 90 Degrees. I gave her a Goose and Damn! I was on one wheel! Since this was the first time for the bike I rode it for as long as I could. When all was said and done I was ticketed for speeding in a 25mph zone and I was still complimented on my form! He asked me if I know how fast I was going and I said Proudly "NOT A CLUE". I was still on the high that I rode a slight wheelie! The officer didn't think a scooter could do it either. He was on a Kawi1100. He had never seen a PC before. Maybe that is why I only got a ticket for speeding? That was 10 years ago! In Ten Years I think I have gotten the front wheel off maybe four times. Never very far off the ground! Each time I was giving her a goose and not really trying to get the wheel up. Each time (except last week) I was starting from a turn. FWIW: -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dave Klein To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Monday, July 03, 2000 9:02 PM Subject: PC800: Stunt Riding Anyone on this list ever do a Wheelie with there PC?? Is it Possible/dooable?? How about some of you guys with a Crotch Rocket---Ever try a Wheelie with your PC?? I've never heard anyone on this list talk about it, so i assume it can't be done because of it's weight & Shaft Drive. I'm not up to trying it for myself. Dave Klein -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Desmond Cockburn" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Finally did it! Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 03:59:01 PDT >From: J Serlo Snip, snip, snip. Biking is not easy, you have to want to do it or you're not be doing it for long. I do feel more expierence then when I left the house. But its not all peaches and cream is it? Crazy aint it. Yeah, you got it right, riding a bike isn't as easy as sitting there in a steel cocoon with the air conditioner running, radio playing, cruise control watching the speed. But on the other hand, you never feel this mentally sharp, this focused, when behind the wheel of a cage. You will never feel this "connected" with the world around you. In a cage you are moving "through" the environment but on a bike you are "part of the environment." Ain't it great !!!!! ??? I read somewhere that no one rides a bike because the have to and that makes all the difference in the world. See ya down the Road, Des, 95 PC, Dream Weaver Okmulgee, Ok. "Motorcyclists know why dogs hang their heads out car windows." Randle Bains ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Desmond Cockburn" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Any WebTV'ers Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 04:02:04 PDT >From: David Are there any WebTv user's out their? Sorry Dave, I'm stuck with this infernal machine and this dare Hotmail !!! Des ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FB5NJXWW; Tue, 04 Jul 2000 07:21:10 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 07:00:35 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Hot weather gear From: "Harvey P. Sattin" On Mon, 03 Jul 2000 23:38:08 -0400 Ron Kimball writes: > I just ordered a kevlar re-enforced hot weather jacket & pants with > foam armor for $177 delivered from these folks: > http://www.brosh.com (warning: site is in Israel and intermittent) Ron, It's been just too hot to wear my Aerostich stuff lately so I ordered the Cool Kevlar jacket a week ago in Yellow, with the armor. Special orders take three weeks. Stock colors are shipped the same day. The prices are low and they pay for the shipping! The combination colors were mostly black. I figure that I'll only wear this on hot days so I want it as cool as possible. Not gonna worry about it getting dirty. Now I'll have to pack raingear too but I've got this trunk... I've even been spotted wearing an open-face helmet lately. I feel a little insecure riding without full protection but I also don't like not riding because it's too hot. > Also a note on helmets: > I find a shorty to be just as cool as no helmet at all. Here I've been bitching about the heat lately and I totally forgot I even had a "shorty". Maybe I'll wear it on those days that I know for sure that I won't crash. Regards, ~Harvey Sattin Brookline, MA '98 PC800 '88 Hawk GT (for sale) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Karen and Tom" To: "Pacific Coast Owners" Subject: PC800: re;wheelie Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 07:19:45 -0400 Hi folks, Can't say I ever wanted to try that on my PC. I could forward this over to the trials e-mail list seen them fellows wheelie just about everything. On a diferent subject, broke my collar bone Sunday high siding my Xr250L while trail riding.60 miles of great trails except for that last twenty feet. Looks like no PC riding for a month.Biggest problam is going to be work. I am a watchmaker/jeweler. Customers going to be unhappy with my turn around time on service for a while. Keep them PC storied coming, gives me something to look forward to. Tom Boynton 89 PC800 93 XR250L(still muddy) PS just had a 10 wheeler load of firewood dropped off in the back yard the other day, needs to be stacked, so if anyone isn't busy............ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Desmond Cockburn" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Stunt Riding Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 04:22:34 PDT >From: David Klein >Anyone on this list ever do a Wheelie with there PC?? Is it >possible/dooable?? How about some of you guys with a Crotch Rocket---Ever >try a Wheelie with your PC?? >I'm not up to trying it for myself. (Des making chocking sounds, grabs his chest, trying to suck in enough air to breathe, staggers around the computer desk and finally manages to regain control.) Uhhhh, David. Squids try to wheelie bikes. PC riders are not squids. PC riders are the elite of the elite. PC riders are introspective, we tend to concentrate on the spiritual aspects of motorcycling, the connection of machine and rider. PC riders gain attention from non-riders by the machines they ride. PC riders pamper their bikes. PC riders cringe at the thought of overstressing any part of the bike. In short, PC riders are mature responsible riders. We leave the wheelies to the squids and the loud pipes to the Harley crowd. Wheelie a PC ? We would rather spit on our mothers apple pie !!! (Des runs out to the garage and trys to soothe Dream Weaver's hurt feelings.) Des ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 09:28:14 -0300 To: LaidbackSquirtt@webtv.net (Dave Klein), pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: Stunt Riding I do 'em all the time. They're easy to do, and a snap to do with a passenger. >From a stop, you need the engine at about 7000rpm and reasonably alert hands on the clutch and throttle coz the engine has to stay at about that RPM while you quickly let out the clutch. For new passengers, I give them the choice of rides, a scale of 1-10. "1" means that your granny could still be knitting while a passenger. "10" means you change your pants after the ride. Anything above an "8" includes poppin' a wheelie from a stop. Practice is the key. Find a parking lot and practice poppin' until you can get the wheel to the height you want and set it down gracefully. -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 09:28:15 -0300 To: "Michael D. Linkous" , "Pacific Coast" From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: hard to start "cold" to your engine does not mean the same as "cold" to your bum. Don't be afraid to use the choke -- 1/2 or halfway or 3/4 or whatever it takes -- when the engine hasn't been running for a few hours. -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Will Edwards" To: "Chuck Chiodini" , Subject: Re: PC800: PIAA Headlight Bulb Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 06:54:08 -0700 Please keep us posted on this bulb. I also saw the advertisement, but just didn't think a 55 watt bulb could look like a 100 watt. Will Edwards rstar@aa.net http://www.crosswinds.net/~cyclewill/ Washington State 96 Honda PC800 Focus your eyes to where you want to be, Not to where you are afraid of falling to.... . -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Chuck Chiodini > I forgot to mention that I also purchased a PIAA Platinum Series >headlight bulb (H-4) from Sport Touring Accessories at the Hoot. I was >bulb is rated at 110/100 watts but draws only 55 watts of power (according >to the advertisements). It really puts out a pure, bright white light that >is a big improvement over my 100/80 bulb. I'll let ya know if it melts my -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 10:58:00 -0300 To: "Will Edwards" , "Chuck Chiodini" , From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: PIAA Headlight Bulb If you surf up the big PC Maint/Repair page at http://noc.dal.ca/~daniel/pc-maint/ and type Details Containing: head and hit [Show 'em] you'll get a report on the sorts of headlamps people put in their bikes. I think the headlight upgrade is the most useful change you can make to the bike. NB some people require a fuse upgrade, and some people upgrade the wiring for the new bulb. -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Will Edwards" To: "Michael D. Linkous" , "Pacific Coast" Subject: Re: PC800: spark plugs (& tire preference) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 07:07:21 -0700 I am not sure what you are talking about, when the dealer states only one on each side. If he is talking about plastic to remove, you only have to remove the engine access panel on each side (no tools required). If he is talking about the plugs, I would find another dealer. There are two plugs for each cylinder on the PC (4 plugs total). Will Edwards rstar@aa.net http://www.crosswinds.net/~cyclewill/ Washington State 96 Honda PC800 Focus your eyes to where you want to be, Not to where you are afraid of falling to.... . -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Michael D. Linkous >recall... both spark plugs are on the left side and the front one is inside >pretty deep. I should just only have to take off the left side panel. Is >this correct? The parts guy swears that there is one on each side... but I >am thinking different. Any tips or hints when changing the plugs?? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 11:15:36 -0300 To: "Michael D. Linkous" , "Pacific Coast" From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: spark plugs (& tire preference) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Michael D. Linkous >Any tips or hints when changing the plugs?? yeah - unless you have a problem, don't! If the bike is idling rough or starting hard, and the plugs are old, sure, do them first. -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 10:18:45 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: Stunt Riding To: Daniel.MacKay@dal.ca, LaidbackSquirtt@webtv.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated July 4, 2000 7:28:48 AM Central Daylight Time, Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca writes: << I do 'em all the time. They're easy to do, and a snap to do with a passenger. >> I want pictures for PROOF...... don't send 'em to the list.... but post 'em to the web page... or send 'em to me personally.... Not that I don't believe ..... Z -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaPC800Rider@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 11:01:16 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: Filter wrench - HELP! To: Steve_Steinsapir@taxfin.adp.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 07/03/2000 11:29:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Steve_Steinsapir@taxfin.adp.com writes: << Anyone else go through something similar? Steven Steinsapir >> I believe the same gorilla installed the fram filter on my PC before it was sold to my dealer, from whom I bought my PC from... Take a rather long phillips head screwdriver, maybe 8" or longer and gently hammer it into the last half inch of filter (the end, farthest from the bike end) letting the screwdriver just touch the inside of the otherside without going straight through it... You may have to do this several times to get it loose, but it will work, and eventually it will loosen up, just be patient... Troy Doyle 1997 PC800 "I will call her, Gabrielle" Goose Creek, SC USA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RBILLANDVAL@cs.com for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 11:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 11:02:07 EDT Subject: PC800: Re: PC800 stunt riding To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Trust me. The PC is quite capable of doing such a thing(a wheelie). I do agree that is not my primary purpose, nor that I would normally treat "Scoot" in that manner, but I accidently did one one day. Scared the bejeebees out of me! To much excitement for an old fart like me!!!!!! I will stick with keeping both wheels on the ground, thank you. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaPC800Rider@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 11:04:04 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: Mobil Oil Filter M1-110 To: BernieK469@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 07/03/2000 2:43:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BernieK469@aol.com writes: << I spoke to Mobil, and then on the suggestion of Mobil, to the manufacture. They said that the M1 filter was not recommended for motorcycles. The Mobil Filters seem slightly longer than either the Fram or Wix Filters. I don't know who is using them on the list, but I sure would be interested in their experience. Bernie >> True, the filter is about 1/2 an inch longer. Not a problem with the PC, but on my VFR it meant that the filter was 3/16" from the header pipe... Talk about roasting oil! The paint melted on my Mobil 1 filter in that spot... Troy Doyle 1997 PC800 "I will call her, Gabrielle" Goose Creek, SC USA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FB53HJ4E; Tue, 04 Jul 2000 11:07:36 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 10:56:36 -0400 Subject: PC800: RE: Tupperware Decals From: "Harvey P. Sattin" On Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:30:45 -0700 "Great Ned" writes: > Fred sent me some shots of his Tupperware decals Lee, Picture of mine at: http://members.xoom.com/hsattin/pc800.htm (...Like I need more questions and comments about my PC) Thanks. ~Harvey Sattin Brookline, MA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 11:19:37 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "Pacific Coast" , "Michael D. Linkous" Subject: Re: PC800: hard to start ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael D. Linkous" >It seems like in hot summer weather if I use the choke it floods it... and if I don't use any choke, it isn't enough to start it. I never turn the accelerator. > >Any advice? Well, I forget what the owner's manual recommends, but with temperatures varying from 70-95 deg. F around here, I don't use the choke at all. Press the starter button and give it a little gas at the same time, and it fires right up. I then hold the rpm's at 1500-2000 for about half a minute before pulling away. Note: I believe my carbs are a little dirty from sitting too long with previous owners ('90 model with 14,000 mi.) so I may be adapting to a non-standard situation. best, -- Chris Norloff, Virginia '92 Honda ST1100 ABS STOC #1290 '90 Honda Pacific Coast '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar "Soul-less Appliance" - a pejorative term for a motorcycle that doesn't break down. -- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 11:25:55 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-PC800" , "Great Ned" Subject: Re: PC800: "Soulless Appliances" ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" >"How about some starting fluid," I said. "That way we'll see if there is >any spark at all." > >"Oh, I try not to use it. I was warned that it would lead to ETHER >DEPENDENT CARBURETOR." Ya gotta be careful, Lee. Nothing worse than a motorcycle with an ether-dependent carburetor. Won't start in cold weather, then won't even start in hot weather without huffing ether. Then they want the good stuff. So it gets more and more expensive. Then if they meet up with any of those drag racers, pretty soon the carb demands nitro methane. It's the road to ruin, I'm tellin' ya! -- Chris Norloff, Virginia '92 Honda ST1100 ABS STOC #1290 '90 Honda Pacific Coast '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar "Soul-less Appliance" - a pejorative term for a motorcycle that doesn't break down. -- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Chuck Chiodini" To: Subject: PC800: Arkansas "No Coast" Ride Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 10:31:33 -0500 Fellow Arkansas Travelers: I plan on attending the first official "No Coast Ride" of July 14-16 in Russellville, Arkansas. Have reservations for camping at the Lake Dardanelle State Park Friday and Saturday nights ($13.50/night). The State Park is 4 miles S.W of Russellville on Highway 326 and is touted as being "Deluxe" with great lakeside views and hot showers. Anyone who would like to camp is welcome to share my campsite. I will show up at the Holiday Inn around 1700 hrs on Friday to meet up with the non-camping PCers. Does that sound like a good time to meet? My "Arkansas, Off the Beaten Path" book suggests a place to eat in Russelville called "Stoby's". It's a 1941 railroad dining car that serves casual breakfast, lunch and dinner. Located 2 miles South of I-40 on Highway7 at 405 West D Street, (501)968-3816. Sounds like this might be the kind of place us discriminating PC riders might enjoy for a get together dinner. Man, I'm sounding like a Gold Wing rider now, thinking about food before the ride even starts! The current weather in my part of the state is HOT and HUMID with light rain mixed in. Tourist traffic is heavy due to the 4th of July weekend but should calm down by next weekend. Lots of bugs and animal life pestering the roads at night but beautiful riding weather and scenery. You will find the Arkansas back roads pure motorcycle heaven! I live in Heber Springs, Arkansas which is in the central portion of the state near Searcy (90 miles North of Little Rock). If anyone needs a place to stay or help while traveling on the road to Russellville, don't hesitate to call. I should be back from yet another motorcycle trip by 11-12 July. Looking forward, as always, to meeting fellow PC pilots (co-pilots too!) and listers. Chuck Chiodini 744 By-Pass Road Heber Springs, Arkansas 72543 (501)362-1875 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 08:54:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Christoffer Carstanjen Subject: PC800: loose gravel riding To: J Serlo , PC 800 List Big sign > "FRESH OIL" WHAT THE ##cK IS THIS? OK the fresh > oil > was only "LOOSE GRAVEL" on a road that follows the > river twists and turns with traffic. Welcome to cheap road resurfacing! If you've ever watched how they do this, it'd make an environmentalist go rabid. In Mass, lots of the smaller rural towns use this method for repaving local roads. Under the gravel is a layer of really goopy oil - reminds me of crude oil washed ashore. The thick oil is sprayed down and then followed by a layer of gravel of which then is followed by a roller. The gravel which doesn't get adhered to, becomes loose gravel and is left behind. Sometimes, if you're lucky, a street sweeper will pick-up the leftovers, but not immediately. If the _paving_ crew did their job correctly - you shouldn't see any patches of oil ontop of or soaked through the gravel - but it happens. When I ride on these roads, I use my rear brake more than my front and take turns much slower. Ahhh, the joys of working on the 4th of July - I should be out of here soon. Ride safe, ===== ===== Christoffer Carstanjen - 98PC800 Nebuchadnezzar 4700 miles Western Massachusetts / Gas - $1.67 gallon goodies include - GIVI rack (no box)/EC Fog Lamps/ Clearview+3/Saeng edging/H trunk light kit/ Back-OFF brakelight modulator/ body by Budweiser..err..by Tupperware Decals & to think I was going to ride it stock.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Greg Castle" To: xcontrol@erols.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Integrated Garage Door Opener or Stereo Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 12:10:01 EDT >From: xcontrol@erols.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: PC800: Integrated Garage Door Opener or Stereo Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 20:24:04 -0400 >I would like to modify my garage door opener with a >switch that I can install in the dash. Has anyone else done this, and have >any tips? I ended up taking apart one of my remotes and attaching a wired remote push switch (does that make sense?) to it.I then installed the original remote behind the headlight to one of the frame bars. The switch was placed in the left compartment against the side wall with the wire running through the drain hole. All I do is open the compartment and push the switch and the garage door opens. Im sure some riders would rather put the switch up by the grips so there was no need to take your hands off the handlebars. Also has anyone got a good stereo or speaker recommendation, how do I get grilles, can I get the Honda replacement grills that fit the old built in stereo they sold as a part? > > If someone knows where they can get the original HONDA grills please let me know too. I ended up just cutting (there's that bad word) 2 holes for the speakers and placed some old grills behind it. looks ok but not as nice as if I had the originals. For the stereo I installed a Sony Amp under the fairing..this boosts my power from my walkman that I keep attached to my left compartment door Greg Castle 89 PC800 Keswick,Ontario,CANADA ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: sge2000@att.net by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP Tue, 4 Jul 2000 16:12:36 +0000 To: Jim M SMITH Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) Subject: Re: PC800: Anyone passing through Illinois going to AR ride? Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 16:12:35 +0000 Jim, Thanks for the construction info. I am forwarding your message to the PC800 list; I'm sure a number of others will need to know this on their way to Arkansas. Bernie Kohler and I are riding together. Plan to leave KC Friday mid-afternoon - shooting for 2 pm. I haven't discussed the route yet with Bernie, but I suspect we will head down 71 toward Carthage, then toward Monett, Cassville, Eureka Springs, etc. It would be great to meet you somewhere along there and ride a ways. What do you think? (I guess from your message you can't make the trip to Russellville? If so, I'm sorry to hear that.) Hope to see you next week! -- Steve Ewens Lee's Summit, MO '89 PC800 > Steve > I'm in Springfield and would enjoy riding with anyone passing thru on the > way to the ride. > US 65 still has construction between Ozark and Branson, Also I-44 will be > one lane from Northview to Springfield from 7/5 to 12/1. With all of the > trucks on I-44 they are promising long delays > Anyone coming from the St Louis area should plan on cutting across from > Marshfield, I'll be glad to figure out a way to cut across from > Marshfield to Rogersville,Sparta,Forsyth then into Branson and miss all > of the construction. Plus these are pretty good riding roads > I seen Larry Burr - Springfield, MO on the list, I thought I knew most of > the PC riders here but that name don't ring a bell. His name is not in > phone book do you have his e-mail address so that I can contact him > thanks > Jim SMITH: 90 PC 24,000+ Springfield Mo ,Ann's Pegs > Corbin Seat,Tall Shield,CycleCom, Priority Plus Lights > OKCDOC@JUNO.COM, OKCDOC@AOL.COM > Retreads Gateway Region (Springfield) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "MTW" To: "Christoffer Carstanjen" , "J Serlo" , "PC 800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: loose gravel riding Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 12:17:22 -0400 The surface you describe is called "Macadam" (named after a British engineer, John L. McAdam). It is the primary road surface of the Alaskan highway beside mud or stone.One differance on the AlCan is they don't roll it, the let the traffic pack it down :-). I have about 200 ft of macadam leading to the entrance to my driveway which is gravel. I think I have the only gravel driveway left in Columbus! Macadam is far superior to gravel anyday. It IS a little unnerving when it's first done because of the loose stone. After the loose stuff dissipates I prefer it to fresh asphalt (at least in the rain). Mike Whited ' 94 PC Columbus Ohio -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Christoffer Carstanjen To: J Serlo ; PC 800 List Date: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 11:55 AM Subject: PC800: loose gravel riding > Big sign >> "FRESH OIL" WHAT THE ##cK IS THIS? OK the fresh >> oil >> was only "LOOSE GRAVEL" on a road that follows the >> river twists and turns with traffic. > >Welcome to cheap road resurfacing! If you've ever >watched how they do this, it'd make an >environmentalist go rabid. In Mass, lots of the >smaller rural towns use this method for repaving local >roads. > >Under the gravel is a layer of really goopy oil - >reminds me of crude oil washed ashore. The thick oil >is sprayed down and then followed by a layer of gravel >of which then is followed by a roller. The gravel >which doesn't get adhered to, becomes loose gravel and >is left behind. Sometimes, if you're lucky, a street >sweeper will pick-up the leftovers, but not >immediately. > >If the _paving_ crew did their job correctly - you >shouldn't see any patches of oil ontop of or soaked >through the gravel - but it happens. > >When I ride on these roads, I use my rear brake more >than my front and take turns much slower. > >Ahhh, the joys of working on the 4th of July - I >should be out of here soon. > >Ride safe, > >===== >===== >Christoffer Carstanjen - 98PC800 Nebuchadnezzar >4700 miles Western Massachusetts / Gas - $1.67 gallon >goodies include - GIVI rack (no box)/EC Fog Lamps/ Clearview+3/Saeng edging/H trunk light kit/ Back-OFF brakelight modulator/ body by Budweiser..err..by Tupperware Decals & to think I was going to ride it stock.... > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. >http://invites.yahoo.com/ >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: sge2000@att.net by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP Tue, 4 Jul 2000 16:54:55 +0000 To: "Chuck Chiodini" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) Subject: Re: PC800: Arkansas "No Coast" Ride Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 16:54:51 +0000 Chuck, I'm glad you will be joining us. I believe now we have at least 11 PC's planning to be there. Bernie and I are leaving KC mid-afternoon Friday. We will not be in Russellville until fairly late in the evening, so we will miss the Gold Wing-like kickoff. We are both staying at the Holiday Inn. See you next week! -- Steve Ewens Lee's Summit, MO '89 PC800 > Fellow Arkansas Travelers: > I plan on attending the first official "No Coast Ride" of July 14-16 in > Russellville, Arkansas. Have reservations for camping at the Lake Dardanelle > State Park Friday and Saturday nights ($13.50/night). The State Park is 4 > miles S.W of Russellville on Highway 326 and is touted as being "Deluxe" > with great lakeside views and hot showers. Anyone who would like to camp is > welcome to share my campsite. I will show up at the Holiday Inn around 1700 > hrs on Friday to meet up with the non-camping PCers. Does that sound like a > good time to meet? > My "Arkansas, Off the Beaten Path" book suggests a place to eat in > Russelville called "Stoby's". It's a 1941 railroad dining car that serves > casual breakfast, lunch and dinner. Located 2 miles South of I-40 on > Highway7 at 405 West D Street, (501)968-3816. Sounds like this might be the > kind of place us discriminating PC riders might enjoy for a get together > dinner. Man, I'm sounding like a Gold Wing rider now, thinking about food > before the ride even starts! > The current weather in my part of the state is HOT and HUMID with light > rain mixed in. Tourist traffic is heavy due to the 4th of July weekend but > should calm down by next weekend. Lots of bugs and animal life pestering the > roads at night but beautiful riding weather and scenery. You will find the > Arkansas back roads pure motorcycle heaven! > I live in Heber Springs, Arkansas which is in the central portion of > the state near Searcy (90 miles North of Little Rock). If anyone needs a > place to stay or help while traveling on the road to Russellville, don't > hesitate to call. I should be back from yet another motorcycle trip by 11-12 > July. > Looking forward, as always, to meeting fellow PC pilots (co-pilots too!) > and listers. > > Chuck Chiodini > 744 By-Pass Road > Heber Springs, Arkansas 72543 > (501)362-1875 > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 12:04:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Garbacik To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Clothing - slightly OT I went looking at jackets and pants yesterday. When did clothing manufacturers become so rude as to assume that your chest is always bigger than your, uh, er, ahem, equator? When I found something that fit around the equator, comfortably, the neck was so loose that if it caught a breeze I would blow up like a balloon. Harrumph. Oh well, off to change my fork seals, the new ones from Dennis Kirk arrived yesterday. Tom '89 Moonbeam Corvallis, OR (Where I had to come into work to light a boiler 'cause "It's cold in here." On the fourth of July!) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:57:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Jesus Soriano Subject: Fwd: Re: PC800: Filter Wrench? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu --0-719885386-962751437=:1116 Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ --0-719885386-962751437=:1116 X-Apparently-To: jsori@yahoo.com via web2106.mail.yahoo.com X-Track: 1: 40 by mta113.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Jul 2000 00:25:08 -0700 (PDT) for jsori@yahoo.com; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 00:34:11 -0700 (MST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Alex Vrenios Subject: Re: PC800: Filter Wrench? To: jsori@yahoo.com (Jesus Soriano) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 100 00:34:11 -0700 (MST) Thanks Jesus, The trick to getting the filter wrench "cap" off is to put the big 18" screw driver down under the bike, then get up and get the 5 pound hammer - lay it next to the screw driver. Now reach in and grip it with your bare hand and jiggle it a little - comes right off :-) Still looking into stuff: 1. Oil - most folks just use the ordinary 15W-50 Silver quart (red cap) of Mobil 1, but Mobil makes three others (black quarts), the most appropriate of which seems to be their V-Twin Motorcycle Oil. You can buy this top-of-the-line stuff for $47 a six-pack direct from Mobil Oil at http://www.mobil1.com/ plus tax and shipping - might be best to just get it off the shelf. 2. I got the Vector Type-B oil filter wrench at WalMart for about $3 (see above). 3. I got a cheapo ($20) beam-type torque wrench at Sears that covers the 10 and 25 Foot-Pound range (75 max). 4. My Arai Classic/m and Aerostitch DarienLite are coming next week. (My old Bell 3/4 face helmet feels good but it's too old to be of any serious protection. The air venting on the Arai (and the Aerostitch for that matter) sold me since Phoenix gets pretty warn this time of year, and not too cool the rest of the time. 5. I installed the Tailblazer tail light "slowing down" unit in about fifteen minutes (it's a 2 minute job but I got confused by the way the original connectors held together). Works great. I might look into the headlight modulator next, or maybe the trunk light from Milpitas Honda... 6. I got the PC800 Service Manual from http://www.helminc.com/ for about $45. I was sad to see a reference to a "Common service Manual" which I don't have, but I managed to find everything I was looking for in the Owner's Manual. 7. The front turn signals reference a "32 CP" but an ordinary blister-pack version of the 1034 works fine. 8. I've added two whole miles to the odometer since I got it! (Okay, it's been pretty hot here.) My wife and I are signing up for the rider's course a few months from now. I am rusty because I've been away for quite a while. She has never been on anything bigger than a MoPed, and that only twice. 9. Creativity struck my PC800 pictures today - hope you like them: http://vrenios.home.att.net/ (You ham operators: check out the old Kenwood HF gear!) Jesus, I have two 60 gallon tanks with Ps. Acei, Ps. Zebras, Rustys and Electric Yellow Labs. Cichlids (they're fish, by the way, for the rest of you readers) are very happy in the hard tap water here in Phoenix. Alex In an earlier email to me Jesus Soriano said: > > May be the filter was dirty and and the wrench just > got stuck. Just tap it a little bit and it should come > right out. > > By the way, I also keep fish: Labidrochomis Caeruleus > and Cyrtocara Mooris (both african cichlids) in the 55 > gallons tank and silver dollars, gouramis, etc. in the > 80 gallons community tank. > > Good luck with the filter! > > --- Alex Vrenios wrote: > > Thanks - I slipped it on the filter (had to study > > the > > Service Manual to find it!) and now it doesn't want > > to > > come off. Fits great though... > > > > I haven't bought any oil yet, by the way. I'm > > looking > > around for my old (really old) torque wrench; might > > have to buy a new one. I know the range of filter > > and > > drain plug, so I can get one that will work for > > both. > > (Thanks to the guy who had to return one and > > admitted > > it here.) > > > > I took a photo of me on the new (to me) bike and > > it's > > up on my web page now: http://vrenios.home.att.net/ > > > > Thanks, all. > > > > In an earlier email to me Jesus Soriano said: > > > > > > Yeap!, that's the right size for the filter. I > > just > > > bought mine a couple of days ago and it works > > great. > > > > > > > > > --- Alex Vrenios > > wrote: > > > > Coasters, > > > > > > > > I went to WalMalt and there was the wrench > > everyone > > > > has > > > > been talking about, for under $3 to boot. Two > > were > > > > left > > > > on one card holder and two others were out of > > stock. > > > > I > > > > took the Vector Type B saying "65/67 - 14 > > flutes" > > > > but a > > > > look at the card holder stickers shows there > > were > > > > other > > > > sizes available. (The stickers had no "type" > > code, > > > > just > > > > the sizes in millimeters, so the sold-out ones > > might > > > > have > > > > been Type C or D?) Anyway, is this the right > > one? > > > > > > > > Also, they sell Mobile 1 15W-50 for $4.38 but > > the > > > > container > > > > says nothing about Motorcycles, V-twins, or "M" > > that > > > > I've > > > > seen mentioned here. Is that the right stuff? > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Alex, kx9i > > > > 98 pc800 > > > > Kazesan > > > > -- > > > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe > > > > pc800" in the body of a > > > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > > > To report problems, send mail to > > > pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > > > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards, > > > > Alex, kx9i > > 98 pc800 > > Kazesan > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > -- Regards, Alex, kx9i 98 pc800 Kazesan --0-719885386-962751437=:1116-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BillandScoot@cs.com for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 19:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 19:39:50 EDT Subject: PC800: New kid has moved To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu would someone please send me an email to let me know I have done this successfully. Bill Richardson BillandScoot@cs.com 98 PC purchased new in July 98 with 12000 trouble free miles. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Hot weather gear Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 01:44:36 +0200 If you wanna see a really "cool" helmet and suit (that does have tear-resistant material) check out these new airflow products of BMW: http://www.bike.bmw.com/english/latestnews/saison2000/air_flow.htm (click on the menu bar in the bottom for the suit and more helmet details) Emile www.piloot.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: New kid has moved Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 01:49:13 +0200 It got to the list all right Bill. If you are subscribed succesfully you should have received it yourself also. I replied to you as well as to the list, so you should get this reply twice. Greetings , Emile www.piloot.com http://go.to/pc800 ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: Aan: Verzonden: woensdag 5 juli 2000 1:39 Onderwerp: PC800: New kid has moved would someone please send me an email to let me know I have done this successfully. Bill Richardson BillandScoot@cs.com 98 PC purchased new in July 98 with 12000 trouble free miles. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BillandScoot@cs.com for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 19:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 19:53:48 EDT Subject: PC800: New kid has moved To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Thanks everybody. What happened was I was gone for the weekend and my wife panicked because I had approximately 130 emails (from the list). So now I have a new home that is all mine. Keeps peace in the family. Bill and Scoot -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:15:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: Headlight modulator "Chuck Chiodini" writes: > 3. A small piece of electrical tape placed over the sensor will allow > you to run on high beam in daylight if you so desire. I personally > believe the modulator is too obnoxious for fellow riders and I leave > it deactivated when riding with other bikes or "nice car people" and > switch it on in "high risk areas" to announce my presence. One of the reasons I chose the Signal Dynamics unit over the Kisan is that it comes with a 3-position switch (Auto, Standby, Off) that gives me control over the modulator without resorting to tape over the sensor. In the Auto position, the high beam modulates; in Standby, the high beam modulates only if you hit the horn -- regardless of whether the switch is on high or low; and Off turns the modulation circuit off completely. At night, either Auto or Standby work the same way. ====================================================================== Selden Deemer Atlanta, Georgia EMAIL: libssd@emory.edu ====================================================================== -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:22:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: Filter Wrench? Why do ya need one... HondaPC800Rider@aol.com writes: > I've stopped using the OE MM9 and now use a Mobil 1 M1-110 synthetic > fiber filter... I assume this M1-110 filter fits mechanically; do you know if it's specifically rated for motorcycle use, or just happens to fit? I've heard (but no hard evidence) that while automotive filters may fit, their pressure relief settings may not be the same, or even compatible with motorcycle uses. Just curious -- I have no ax to grind in this, and have no desire to start yet another oil/filter thread. ====================================================================== Selden Deemer Atlanta, Georgia EMAIL: libssd@emory.edu ====================================================================== -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:43:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: Filter wrench - HELP! Steve_Steinsapir@taxfin.adp.com writes: > I was able to get the drain plug undone and drained the oil. When I > got to the oil filter I couldn't get it to budge. I was using a cap > that goes over the end of the filter - the size is right for the new > filter, but I suspect the old filter is a little different. Anyhow, > when I attempted to unscrew it the cap slipped and wouldn't budge the > filter. I decided to try the old screw-driver through the filter. I > supect that the gorilla that put the filter on before torqued it too > tight. It wouldn't budge with the screwdriver game. I have given up > at the moment. I am going to the candy store (Bert's in Covina) today > to get a filter wrench that will fit the small filter. I am not going > to chance a different hole in the filter in fear of compromizing the > structure of the filter any more than I have. Filters of nominally the same application from different manufacturers may, indeed, take different size wrenches. You can be sure that the wrench and filter match if you buy both at the same time, but this, of course, is no help whatsoever when the filter is already on the engine. A 2 3/4" (size #36) stainless steel hose clamp makes an excellent filter wrench, especially when combined with a stout piece of steel with an L bend at the end. Place the end of the bracket between the hose clamp and the filter, then tighten, then push down on the handle. This provides plenty of leverage, and works so well that I've never bothered with a cap wrench. Even if you don't have a suitable "handle" available, you can tighten up the hose clamp, with the screw at about 8 o'clock (viewed from the rear). Then, take a stout screwdriver, put it in the screw head of the clamp, and pound on the screwdriver with a hammer -- preferably a 4 pounder. This should loosen the filter, turning it about 15 degrees. Loosen the hose clamp, rotate it back to 8 o'clock, tighten, and repeat until the filter is loose enough to unscrew by hand. If you've already driven a screwdriver through the side of the filter, finding a secure purchase for the hose clamp may be a little tricky. This method has never failed me, even for filters installed by knuckle-dragging gorilla mechanics. ====================================================================== Selden Deemer Atlanta, Georgia EMAIL: libssd@emory.edu ====================================================================== -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Tue, 4 Jul 2000 22:26:03 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bill Jarrells" To: "PC800 List" Subject: PC800: Wheelies Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 23:53:30 -0400 First, I have have never popped a wheelie on any motorcycle (on = purpose). But, I have a nephew that loves it. He says that he can pop = a wheelie on any motorbike. I tend to believe him because I have seen = him pop wheelies on mini bikes and scooters and ride them quite a = distance. I care too much for my PC to let him try it on mine, but he = says that there is a trick to it. Once you get it down you can do it on = any bike. FWIW Bill Jarrells 89 PC800 because=20 I have seen him pop wheelies on mini bikes and scooters and ride them = quite a=20 distance.  I care too much for my PC to let him try it on mine, but = he says=20 that there is a trick to it.  Once you get it down you can do it on = any=20 bike.
 
FWIW
Bill Jarrells
89 PC800
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Alirwin@aol.com for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 23:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 23:26:31 EDT Subject: PC800: 89 PC800 Owners Manual To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Folks: Any suggestions on where I might obtain an Owners Manual for my M/C. I bought it used and none was with it. Thanks for any thoughts. Al Irwin -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Tue, 4 Jul 2000 22:27:24 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bill Jarrells" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: Re: PC800 stunt riding Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 23:54:51 -0400 Oh yeah, I have jumped motorcycles. The PC will jump just fine :-) Bill -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RBILLANDVAL@cs.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 11:03 AM Subject: PC800: Re: PC800 stunt riding >Trust me. The PC is quite capable of doing such a thing(a wheelie). I do >agree that is not my primary purpose, nor that I would normally treat "Scoot" >in that manner, but I accidently did one one day. Scared the bejeebees out of >me! To much excitement for an old fart like me!!!!!! I will stick with >keeping both wheels on the ground, thank you. >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ASKARDLIFE@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 02:36:45 EDT Subject: PC800: Re: Showing each other something or another... To: patkins99@yahoo.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu I just had cheese curds tonight!.......Look out! -TODD -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: 89 PC800 Owners Manual Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:39:21 +0200 >Van: >Any suggestions on where I might obtain an Owners Manual for my M/C. I >bought it used and none was with it. Thanks for any thoughts. >Al Irwin You can download most of the scanned '89 PC owner manual pages (doesn't really matter which year it is anyway) here: http://home.soneraplaza.nl/qn/prive/e.m.nossin/manual.exe It is a zip file of around 3mb's big, pages in jpg format. Greetings, Emile www.piloot.com http://go.to/pc800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 08:31:52 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: 89 PC800 Owners Manual ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Alirwin@aol.com >Any suggestions on where I might obtain an Owners Manual for my M/C. I >bought it used and none was with it. Thanks for any thoughts. http://www.helminc.com/ -- Chris Norloff, Virginia '92 Honda ST1100 ABS STOC #1290 '90 Honda Pacific Coast '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar "Soul-less Appliance" - a pejorative term for a motorcycle that doesn't break down. -- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 08:37:40 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "PC800" , "Emile Nossin" Subject: Re: PC800: Hot weather gear ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" >If you wanna see a really "cool" helmet and suit (that does >have tear-resistant material) check out these new airflow >products of BMW: >http://www.bike.bmw.com/english/latestnews/saison2000/air_flow.htm >(click on the menu bar in the bottom for the suit and more helmet details) That looks really nice! Is it just me, or does that helmet look absolutely enormous? -- Chris Norloff, Virginia '92 Honda ST1100 ABS STOC #1290 '90 Honda Pacific Coast '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar "Soul-less Appliance" - a pejorative term for a motorcycle that doesn't break down. -- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: sge2000@att.net by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:49:59 +0000 To: Alirwin@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) Subject: Re: PC800: 89 PC800 Owners Manual Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 12:49:58 +0000 Al, I bought my '89 last fall, also without owner's manual. A local Honda dealer was able to order one for me; I think it cost about $20 or so. It looked like it was printed on recycled facial quality toilet tissue, not like something slick you would expect with a new Honda, but it does the job. (Plus I guess if I ever need to make a pit stop out in the boonies, I'm all set!) ;-) -- Steve Ewens Lee's Summit, MO '89 PC800 > Folks: > > Any suggestions on where I might obtain an Owners Manual for my M/C. I > bought it used and none was with it. Thanks for any thoughts. > > Al Irwin > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Will Edwards" To: "PC800" Cc: Subject: PC800: Clearview swap Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 06:36:42 -0700 A friend of mine, Bob, ordered the +3 Clearview for his 90 PC and wishes he had ordered the +2 instead. The top of the shield is directly at his eye level. Personally I think he would get use to it, but he wants to exchange it for a +2. Before sending it back to Clearview for an exchange, is there anyone within a day's ride of Seattle with a plus 2 in excellent condition that would like a plus 3? The two of you could meet and swap shields. If not, he will probably send it back to Clearview in a week. Will Edwards rstar@aa.net http://www.crosswinds.net/~cyclewill/ Washington State 96 Honda PC800 Focus your eyes to where you want to be, Not to where you are afraid of falling to.... . -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: stombell@juno.com by m3.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id FB8HJGXV; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 09:51:15 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 08:50:09 -0500 Subject: PC800: Minneaplois/St.Paul Lister Please help. I am planning a trip through the Twin Cities and I am wondering about the best route through. Please contact me off list at stombell@juno.com Pamela Omaha, NE 98 PC ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Kenneth" To: "Pacific Coast mailing list" Subject: PC800: non PC. Suzuki Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:36:13 -0400 The words all motorcycle tinkers love to hear. " If you think you can get it to run you can Have it." During a passing conversation a fellow rider told me about an older = motorcycle that he had given to his brother a few years ago. The story = was that the bike was stored in friends basement and it needed to be = removed. I asked for more information, but he knew nothing more. A few = days later I got a call from the friend. " I understand that you will = be picking up the bike" he said.. I am ?? I asked him if he knew = anything about the bike. He said it is large, partially disassembled = and in his way. That evening I go over to look at the bike. It was a = 1985 Suzuki 1200cc Madura.. I have never seen this bike before. It = looks like a stocky 650 magna. After inflating the tires and chasing = the mouse out of the air box it took three of us the load it into the = trailer. It weighs 550 lbs and is very top heavy. It has about 20 k on = it and the paint is still in great shape. Apparently there were some = electrical problems based on the nasty rewiring that I found. =20 The next day the owner rides by and asks if I have a dollar. "For what = ?" I asked. For the title, owners manual and shop repair manual. SURE = I do....... =20 I now have a new bike, repair manual and a winter project....... Ok.... I could not wait until winter... The bike has already named its = self.. It will be named kibbles and bits. Assuming that the = carburetors would need to be rebuilt, I started to remove them.. Do = you remember the mouse house in the breather box with the missing air = filter? Along with the straw and string packed breather box the air = tunnel and air housing leading to the carbs were PACKED with almost 2 = cups of dog food. When I removed the carbs from the bike the dog food = poured all over the floor..... ie kibbles and bits based on the size and = shape of the bits.. : ) If anyone has any experience with this bike please contact me off of the = list. Kenneth Winter 1990 PC "Second Chance" and it=20 needed to be removed.  I asked for more information, but he=20 knew nothing more.  A few days later I got a call from=20 the friend.   " I understand that you will be=20 picking up the bike" he said..   I am=20 ??   I asked = him if=20 he knew anything about the bike.  He said it is large, = partially=20 disassembled and in his way.    That evening I = go over=20 to look at the bike.  It was a 1985 Suzuki 1200cc Madura..  I = have=20 never seen this bike before.  It looks like a stocky 650=20 magna.  After inflating the tires and chasing the mouse = out of=20 the air box it took three of us the load it into the trailer.  It = weighs=20 550 lbs and is very top heavy.  It has about 20 k on it = and the=20 paint is still in great shape.  Apparently there = were some=20 electrical  problems based on the nasty rewiring that I=20 found.
 
The next day the owner rides by and = asks if I=20 have a dollar.  "For what ?" I asked.   For the title, = owners=20 manual and shop repair manual.  SURE I=20 do.......   
 
I now have a new bike, repair manual = and a winter=20 project.......
 
Ok.... I could not wait until=20 winter...  The bike has already named its self.. It will = be named=20 kibbles and bits.    Assuming that the carburetors would = need to=20 be rebuilt, I started to remove them..   Do you remember the = mouse=20 house in the breather box with the missing air filter?   = Along=20 with the straw and string packed breather box the air tunnel = and air=20 housing  leading to the carbs were PACKED with almost 2 cups = of dog=20 food.    When I removed the carbs from the bike the = dog food=20 poured all over the floor..... ie kibbles and bits based on the size and = shape=20 of the bits.. : )
 
If anyone has any experience with this = bike please=20 contact me off of the list.
 
Kenneth Winter
1990 PC "Second = Chance"
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Kenneth" To: "Pacific Coast mailing list" Subject: PC800: New riding gear Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:42:17 -0400 Why touring the sales area at the Honda Hoot. I found a riding jacket = made by RUTKA. It is designed for maximim breathability. With the = lining removed you could see right through the jacket. Even the armor = was breathable. Does anyone have any knowledge about this = manufacturer. I think it was made in ???Norway??? It was quit = expensive at $550 US. I can not decide between this and a Bell Staff = product. Input will be used to make purchasing decision. =20 Kenneth Winter -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: stombell@juno.com by m3.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id FB8MYR7D; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 11:08:58 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:07:46 -0500 Subject: PC800: AudioVox Cruise Control I purchased an AudioVox cruise control for $69 from JC Whitney on the advice of Stan from this list. Over the weekend, my husband installed it (good thing it was a long weekend). I took it for a test ride last night and it seems to work great. We are going on a 2 week trip this month, so I will be able to put it to the test. Thanks Stan in West Virginia. Pamela Omaha, NE 98 PC ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Steve_Steinsapir@taxfin.adp.com for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 11:24:09 -0400 Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:24:02 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 08:22:20 -0700 Subject: Re: PC800: Filter wrench - HELP! - Success!!! Success!!! I was able to get the filter off. I ended up finding a filter wrench that would work on a 2.5 inch filter. It took about 5-7 good pushes to get it to first turn. Once I got it off, and had a celebratory dance, I cleaned up the area the filter connected, put on the new filter, added new oil and watched. No leaks. I decided it was time to ride it. It feels a lot better knowing that I have changed my own oil and that I can do it again in the future. Steven Steinsapir '89 PC800 - "Pacific Pearl" KF6USJ - San Gabriel Valley Steve_Steinsapir@taxfin.adp.com Life is like a game of poker. Except, you don,t get to keep the money when you cash in the chips. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:35:50 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: Filter wrench - HELP! - Success!!! BTW you don't need all this technology to get a filter off. You can ALWAYS drive a screwdriver through it and get it off that way. It's a little messy but it works. -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:33:51 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-PC800" Subject: PC800: Elk-activated Elk Crossing signs ... I like the part about radio collars on some Elk will activate flashing Elk = Crossing signs. I just know the smarter ones will start toying with us ... Chris Norloff High-Tech Elk Crossing Coming to Wash. State http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47679-2000Jul4.html source: Seattle Times Wednesday, July 5, 2000; Page A07 of The Washington Post SEATTLE =96=96 Out on the Olympic Peninsula, the elk don't talk to people. = But thanks to some high-tech gadgets, they soon might be getting their mess= age across to motorists on Highway 101. The message: "ELK X-ING!" complete with flashing lights. To the passing tourist from, say, New Jersey, this may be good for a giggle= about the Wild West. But nobody's laughing in Sequim, where the local elk herd is growing at rou= ghly the same rate as traffic along Highway 101. In an effort to prevent collisions, state and local wildlife officials are = turning to technology. Existing elk-crossing warning signs that have gone l= argely ignored are being equipped with remote-controlled flashing lights. I= n addition, about eight of the elk in the local herd are being equipped wit= h radio collars. If all works as planned, when the herd wanders within a quarter-mile of the= signs, the radio collars will trigger the flashing lights. "Far as I know, this is a first," said Sequim Police Chief Byron Nelson. Wildlife officials said the herd, which roams the Olympic foothills south o= f Sequim, has grown to 84 adults, and attendant calves. It's also on the mo= ve, increasingly venturing out of the hills into greener pastures just outs= ide town. Police escort the elk across Highway 101 when the herd wanders on= to the road, but crossings often occur at night, aggravating the hazard. There have been several recent collisions, all fatal to the animals and dam= aging to the vehicles. "We haven't had a serious [human] injury yet," said = Nelson, "but it's a matter of time." He said the lights should be operating next week. =A9 2000 The Washington Post Company -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: New riding gear Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 18:50:39 +0200 >----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- >Van: "Kenneth" > I found a riding jacket made by RUTKA. >Does anyone have any knowledge about this manufacturer >Kenneth Winter Don't you mean rukka ? In that case you can see more about them here: http://www.rukka.com/motor I believe they are from Finland, they have been making motorcycle gear since 1950, you see their gear a lot here. Emile Europe, Holland www.piloot.com http://go.to/pc800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tim Macy" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Squiggly Lines... Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 10:03:12 PDT Nan and I always use the three Summer Holiday weekends as an excuse to leave town on multi-day rides. Ostensibly the reason is to pick up sites in the Rose City Grand Tour booklet, but realistically it's our chance to bail out on our responsibilities and have some fun. July 4th weekend was no different. We took off Friday the 30th and headed east; ended up in Idaho Falls, ID, that evening. We ran the gamut from very cool going down the Columbia River Gorge to extremely hot and windy in lower Idaho. Since we were wicking it up (85mph) on I-82 and fighting a headwind, our mileage dropped into the mid 30s and I managed to run out of gas 10 miles west of Burley, ID. I've done that twice on solo runs, but it was a first 2-up. Nan was a trooper about it, though, so we just called HRCA and had a couple of gallons delivered. 20 minutes later we were back on the road. Lots of fires in eastern Idaho, but nothing that deterred us. We managed a 810-mile day on Friday. Saturday dawned bright and clear and we headed east from Idaho Falls into Wyoming and our first out of state site, Alpine. Gorgeous ride, and light traffic. From Alpine we headed north past the Tetons, where we entered the National Park system on the south end. The Tetons are an amazing mountain range thrusting straight out of the high plains. One spectacular vista after another. Jellystone National Park was far less crowded than expected, but that may have been due to the fact that we stayed away from Old Faceful and other traps. The road construction, however, was another story. Slow, slow, slow. That, and the idiot tourists who insist on parking on the side of the narrow roads and running en masse to photograph or otherwise view everything that loosely resembled an animal. The father with the young child on his shoulders taking pictures of a bull buffalo from a distance of 50' was our favorite...he took top honors for Moron Of The Day. While downing breakfast at Alpine we had viewed the maps of the area, whereupon we had decided to modify our route for the day. We had initially decided to go out the north entrance of Jellystone, but I espied some heavily convoluted and squiggly lines on the map that looked interesting. It would also put us east of our next stamp in the book. We preferred that to going east on the Interbore and doubling back on the same route to head to the Idaho panhandle. So we took the northeast park entrance on Hwy 212 instead. An absolutely beautiful route with gorgeous viewpoints all the way. The squiggly lines turned out to be the Beartooth Highway. I realized that I should have also paid some attention to the Pass Information on the map, as the Beartooth Hwy topped out at a shade under 12,000 feet! We've done higher passes, but none quite so...interesting... It wound up and up and up and got progressively more precipitous. Nan's none too thrilled about heights, so I heard her praying to just about every God she could conjur up as we chugged onward. We went above the treeline and then the snowline. The temperature dropped as rapidly as the altitude increased until we were sure it was in the upper 30s. And all the while we watched in fascination as a thunderstorm swept closer and closer from the northwest. Lightning and all. It was so cool! I loved every minute of it. The Stealth quietly went about its business without a whimper to the very top. The only reason I had to downshift was because of either traffic of tight turns. The view from the top was spectacular! We descended into the teeth of the storm during our descent. Suffice it to say that we were indeed fortunate to not have been on the top; the wind and rain were very daunting. Upon reaching the base of the mountain we determined that we needed to once again alter our course in order to avoid yet another nasty looking thunderstorm marching down from the northwest. We looped northeast and back around to the west on side roads until we caught the Interstate to Reeds Point, MT. The checkpoint at Reeds Point was a turn of the century hotel and saloon that had been converted to a bed & breakfast with restaurant. Due to the lateness of the hour, we realized that to ride the additional miles to Missoula would have been foolish--particularly since the rain had now settled in for the duration. 500 miles were enough for that day. Fortunately there was one room left--the Bridal Suite! We gratefully grabbed it and spent a quiet evening in Reeds Point, MT. Sunday dawned clear and sunny, so we scooted west across Montana and into Idaho again. A lunch stop at a drive-in in Wallace, ID, proved to be interesting, as we were entertained by the entrance of the Clampett Family, replete with Jethro and a chunkier Ellie Mae. People watching is sooo fascinating... 500 miles after leaving Reeds Point we got to Nan's sister's place in Sandpoint, ID, where we spent a restful afternoon and part of Monday morning. Since Nan's sister and her husband had to work on Monday, we decided to leave and get home a day earlier than planned. So we rode up to Bonners Ferry to get our 3rd out of state checkpoint and then pointed the nose of the Stealth towards home. We've made that run so many times that nothing new presented itself on the ride home, but I'm always amazed at how beautiful the Columbia Gorge is and what a marked contrast there is from the dry east end of the Gorge and the green western end, where the Columbia River spills out past Portland. All in all, we did 2,260 miles in four days, saw some spectacular scenery, and got home early enough to enjoy a quiet day home on the 4th. My kind of holiday weekend! Tim "Scuffy" Macy Newberg, OR Stealthmobile - '94 Honda PC800 (118K) STealthmobile II - '99 Honda ST1100 ABS-II (4K) AMA #492485 HRCA #239441 HSTA #6030 RCMC STOC #1571 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tim Macy" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: David Kelly's point and on Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 11:03:04 PDT ----Original Message Follows---- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Don Orton" However, chew on this...if we were to all get everything we needed >to say out in a single message instead of many shorter messages, wouldn't >volume of message traffic be reduced to the point where Dean might stay on >the list full-time? Yes...maybe...no...I don't know! That's an interesting comment, Don. If it worked. However, if everything were to be said in a single message it starts to take on the characteristics of a digest. In other words, people would tend to hit "reply" and copy the ENTIRE post back to the listers while responding only to one or two thoughts in that post. I for one HATE wading through an entire copied post just to ferret out one salient response. It takes but a moment to delete the portion of the post that is of no consequence to the reply. If you're anal like me you can throw in a "" to show that you've edited it. And I'm not aiming that at any specific people--it just IMO seems to be a tendency for people to do on any list. The ST1100 listers are terrible in that regard. I receive the list in digest mode and it seems like 75% of the digest is copied posts. And I HATE it when people copy the entire post and then put "I Agree!" at the end! Who cares if you agree? Tell me something important here! It's my personal (and not very humble!) opinion that I would rather receive EVERY message with a CLEAR subject line that's on task so I can determine whether or not I even want to open it. I have no problem with an active list because it shows a rabid interest in every aspect of the riding experience involving our motorcycles. Even underwear...! But I do have a problem with having to read every post to see if the body of the message has changed from the original subject. I keep two Word docs pulled up under "PC800" and "ST1100" (or the equivalent floppies @ work) and copy over everything that is of interest for now or the future. But I DON'T want to plow through EVERY post to see if there's some gem I would miss if I deleted it without looking. Rant over. Feel better. Whew! Tim "Scuffy" Macy Newberg, OR Stealthmobile - '94 Honda PC800 (118K) STealthmobile II - '99 Honda ST1100 ABS-II (4K) AMA #492485 HRCA #239441 HSTA #6030 RCMC STOC #1571 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: David Kelly's point and on Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 20:31:49 +0200 ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "Tim Macy" Aan: Verzonden: woensdag 5 juli 2000 20:03 Onderwerp: Re: PC800: David Kelly's point and on > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Don Orton" > > However, chew on this...if we were to all get everything we needed > >to say out in a single message instead of many shorter messages, wouldn't > >volume of message traffic be reduced to the point where Dean might stay on > >the list full-time? > > Yes...maybe...no...I don't know! That's an interesting comment, Don. If it > worked. However, if everything were to be said in a single message it starts > to take on the characteristics of a digest. In other words, people would > tend to hit "reply" and copy the ENTIRE post back to the listers while > responding only to one or two thoughts in that post. I for one HATE wading > through an entire copied post just to ferret out one salient response. It > takes but a moment to delete the portion of the post that is of no > consequence to the reply. If you're anal like me you can throw in a "" > to show that you've edited it. > > And I'm not aiming that at any specific people--it just IMO seems to be a > tendency for people to do on any list. The ST1100 listers are terrible in > that regard. I receive the list in digest mode and it seems like 75% of the > digest is copied posts. And I HATE it when people copy the entire post and > then put "I Agree!" at the end! Who cares if you agree? Tell me something > important here! > > It's my personal (and not very humble!) opinion that I would rather receive > EVERY message with a CLEAR subject line that's on task so I can determine > whether or not I even want to open it. I have no problem with an active list > because it shows a rabid interest in every aspect of the riding experience > involving our motorcycles. > > Even underwear...! > > But I do have a problem with having to read every post to see if the body of > the message has changed from the original subject. I keep two Word docs > pulled up under "PC800" and "ST1100" (or the equivalent floppies @ work) and > copy over everything that is of interest for now or the future. But I DON'T > want to plow through EVERY post to see if there's some gem I would miss if I > deleted it without looking. > > Rant over. Feel better. Whew! > > Tim "Scuffy" Macy > Newberg, OR > > Stealthmobile - '94 Honda PC800 (118K) > STealthmobile II - '99 Honda ST1100 ABS-II (4K) > > AMA #492485 > HRCA #239441 > HSTA #6030 > RCMC > STOC #1571 > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > I agree Nice trip report BTW... Emile ; ) (BIG wink) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 14:51:42 -0400 Subject: Re(2): PC800: David Kelly's point and on To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "PC800 Rider" As a two year veteran of the PC800 List (not sure if 2 yrs. qualifies me for true "veteran" status) I have noticed this subject line degradation is a recurring phenomena and is not the norm. I totally agree with "Scuffy" on this one and I think I may have been one in the past to have made a similar comment during one of the cycles of subject line generality. He is more organized than I however and I just file away the message, as is, if I think it is of future value so the subject line is very important to me. I have rewritten some on occasion so my brain would get the proper trigger when I looked at it, but generally they remian intact. Tim Davies Seneca Falls, New York 13148 '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" timbmacy@hotmail.com writes: >It's my personal (and not very humble!) opinion that I would rather receive >EVERY message with a CLEAR subject line that's on task so I can determine >whether or not I even want to open it. I have no problem with an active list >because it shows a rabid interest in every aspect of the riding experience >involving our motorcycles. > >Even underwear...! > >But I do have a problem with having to read every post to see if the body of >the message has changed from the original subject. I keep two Word docs >pulled up under "PC800" and "ST1100" (or the equivalent floppies @ work) and >copy over everything that is of interest for now or the future. But I DON'T >want to plow through EVERY post to see if there's some gem I would miss if I >deleted it without looking. > >Rant over. Feel better. Whew! > >Tim "Scuffy" Macy >Newberg, OR -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tim Macy" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Kisan Modulator Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 12:09:51 PDT ----Original Message Follows---- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John T. Quinn" >Installed a Kisan Modulator today and it's great! It was easy to install and now I'm getting waves from on-coming traffic and notice that people are looking at me as I travel down the highway. I recommend to anyone on the list thinking about a headlight modulator. And, John, did you notice how many fingers the drivers were holding up when they were waving? I saw my first Modulator on our trip over the weekend on a bike (one of four) coming at us in Montana. Even with all of the traffic having their headlights on (darn holiday traffic!) Nan immediately wanted to know if we could get one. It was tres effective. Tim "Scuffy" Macy Newberg, OR Stealthmobile - '94 Honda PC800 (118K) STealthmobile II - '99 Honda ST1100 ABS-II (4K) AMA #492485 HRCA #239441 HSTA #6030 RCMC STOC #1571 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 14:33:19 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "R. Fenwick" Subject: Re: PC800: Kisan Modulator I had a punk in a Camaro Convertible (who had no clue on how to shift it) get really agitated over my modulator this past weekend. First he tried glaring at me in his rear view mirror (duh!). Then he turned around and tried to stare me down through the back window (DUH! - I get the feeling that he is the type that stares into the sun trying to see an eclipse). Then he finally got a clue and set his rear view mirror onto the "night setting". This was all while sitting at one stop light. After he went through all of that and the light turned green.... I intentionally switched lanes.... *giggle* I was swayed into buying a modulator while driving down the left hand lane of a 5 laner (2 and 2 with a center turn), and saw one on a BMW heading towards me in the opposite left hand lane. I was instantly a believer. Rich Fenwick fenwick @nn.com tried glaring at me in his rear view mirror (duh!).  Then he turned around and tried to stare me down through the back window (DUH! - I get the feeling that he is the type that stares into the sun trying to see an eclipse).  Then he finally got a clue and set his rear view mirror onto the "night setting".  This was all while sitting at one stop light.  After he went through all of that and the light turned green.... I intentionally switched lanes.... *giggle*

I was swayed into buying a modulator while driving down the left hand lane of a 5 laner (2 and 2 with a center turn), and saw one on a BMW heading towards me in the opposite left hand lane.  I was instantly a believer.

Rich Fenwick
fenwick @nn.com
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: sge2000@att.net by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:32:22 +0000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) Subject: Re: Re(2): PC800: David Kelly's point and on Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 21:32:20 +0000 I read David Kelly's messages on subject lines and threads with a great deal of interest, as I had just started wondering how the archiving process works. I am only slightly less confused after reading David's and subsequent posts; I think the general level of discussion is over my head. Isn't this whole issue of considerable importance for the orderly archiving of messages? If so, I think David's points have more validity than some of the responses have recognized. We are not simply talking about the convenience of those selecting messages to read or to delete without reading, are we? I know we like to direct folks to search the archives; isn't David's point relevant to making sure the archives are well arranged? Would it not be a good thing for us newbies for some of the veterans to share info on email and mailing list techniques and etiquette, as David just did, but assuming a lower level of expertise on the part of the reader? Or is there some published source you veterans can recommend to help novices get up to speed? -- Steve Ewens Lee's Summit, MO '89 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Stevntnnr@aol.com for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 18:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 18:59:41 EDT Subject: PC800: How many miles will they go? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hi everyone My name is Steve Tanner. I do not own a Pacific Coast but I wish to own one. I found out about this list from the local Honda shop. I have found a PC800 that is going to come up for sale shortly. I have seen the machine and it appears to be in excellent shape. The only thing that bothers me is that it has almost 80,000 miles on it. That seems to be a lot of miles to me. The bike is a 1994 or 1995 model. Is this a lot of miles for a Pacific Coast? Are there any of you with more miles than this? What is the most miles that any of you have put on a PC? I think that I can buy the machine for between $2500 and $2800. Is this a good price? The man that owned it recently died of cancer and his widow already said that she would sell it to me. I want to buy it but will not if it will not be lasting much longer. Many thanks for any and all help Steve -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 20:28:46 -0300 From: Daniel MacKay To: Stevntnnr@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: How many miles will they go? Mail-Followup-To: Stevntnnr@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Steve: Surf up the big PC maint/repair database at http://noc.dal.ca/~daniel/pc-maint/ Pull down Subsystem: Engine (or transmission) to get a report on problems people have had. 142 bikes, 3.2 MILLION miles of maintenance records. Don't worry about mileage. Your PC's mighty 800 twin and transmission will outlast your children's children. -dan > My name is Steve Tanner. I do not own a Pacific Coast but I wish to own one. > I found out about this list from the local Honda shop. I have found a PC800 > that is going to come up for sale shortly. I have seen the machine and it > appears to be in excellent shape. The only thing that bothers me is that it > has almost 80,000 miles on it. That seems to be a lot of miles to me. The > bike is a 1994 or 1995 model. Is this a lot of miles for a Pacific Coast? Are > there any of you with more miles than this? What is the most miles that any > of you have put on a PC? I think that I can buy the machine for between $2500 > and $2800. Is this a good price? The man that owned it recently died of > cancer and his widow already said that she would sell it to me. I want to buy > it but will not if it will not be lasting much longer. > > Many thanks for any and all help > > Steve > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: LaidbackSquirtt@webtv.net (Dave Klein) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 18:53:48 -0500 (EST) To: GuntherSki@aol.com Cc: Daniel.MacKay@dal.ca, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Stunt Riding --WebTV-Mail-8040-13378 Seriously now, A picture of a PC doing a Wheelie would be a Great Edition to the PC Web Site Photo Gallery. How about it?? Dave Klein --WebTV-Mail-8040-13378 storefull-225.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 07:18:55 -0700 (PDT) mailsorter-101-8.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/ms.dwm.v7+dul2) with ESMTP id HAA01840 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 07:18:54 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 10:18:45 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: Stunt Riding To: Daniel.MacKay@dal.ca, LaidbackSquirtt@webtv.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated July 4, 2000 7:28:48 AM Central Daylight Time, Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca writes: << I do 'em all the time. They're easy to do, and a snap to do with a passenger. >> I want pictures for PROOF...... don't send 'em to the list.... but post 'em to the web page... or send 'em to me personally.... Not that I don't believe ..... Z --WebTV-Mail-8040-13378-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 16:02:44 -0800 From: "Juan A. Goula" To: PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: Stunt Riding Dave Klein wrote: > > Seriously now, > A picture of a PC doing a Wheelie would be a Great Edition to the PC Web > Site Photo Gallery. How about it?? If you guys and gals want to see some stunt riding on a PC, go out and rent "Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man". Not a great movie, but it shows an '89 dressed up as a police motor doing some fancy riding, ostensibly by (I believe) Sandra Bullock ;-). I think I'll do the same myself. Enjoy! -- Juan Antonio Goula School of Fisheries and Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks Fairbanks, Alaska (907)474-5520 Lat.: 64.85°N, Long.: 147.72°W ------------------------------------------------- Second star on the right, then straight on 'til morning... * * * * * * * * -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ASKARDLIFE@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 20:37:38 EDT Subject: PC800: Whatta holiday!... To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, patkins99@yahoo.com, scooter@bresnanlink.net Hey lister's, I was in downtown Green Bay yesterday for the 4th of July festivities. I was parking my 89'PC and a gentlemen came up to me and told me he had just purchased a 90'PC! He told me he had to go to Pennsylvania to get it! Today I was out and about going to my next patient. I was about to turn at a stoplight and saw a 94PC at the gas station. I stopped and talk with the guy for a half an hour. We exchanged phone #'s and such. I think we are getting enough PC'ers around here to form a little riding club! I am thinking about it very much. I told the guy's to check us out! Welcome them as always, if they decide to subscribe. thanks all..... very uncanny....2pc sighting's in two days.... Todd Skar 89'PC 14k "Poseidon" Green Bay,WI -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ASKARDLIFE@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 20:43:18 EDT Subject: PC800: (no subject) To: gfrye@prodigy.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Pacific Coast Mailing List Interface - Archives..will help in search of any questions to be answered PC800 listmembers site -list member's and they're pics and info pc800@hpc.uh.edu - How to subscribe Hope this helps ya out George! I will contact the others and try to gather us for a nice ride north!....later nice chatting today! NICE BIKE!!!!... Todd Skar 89'PC 14k "Poesidon" Green Bay, WI -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mark Gilb" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Another new "kid" Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 20:26:42 -0500 Welcome to the list, Bill. Hope you have a high tolerance for mail ;-) Mark Gilb Arnold, Mo. 95 PC800 ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: To: Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 10:00 PM Subject: PC800: Another new "kid" > My name is Bill Richardson. Live in San Antonio. 98PC named "Scoot". I now > have just over 12000 on it, all trouble free miles. Purchased new in July 98. > I took it to Shreveport this weekend (LOVE that trunk!) and really enjoyed > the ride. I was a bit taken back by the sheer number of messages that built > up over the weekend...Wow. For the person looking for a PC here in San > Antonio, good luck, and let me know if you find one. I have seen a couple PC > riders here but have not met any of them. Would be nice to have a riding > buddy from time to time. My email: rbillandval@cs.com. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dsinofsky@aol.com for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:02:01 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: Covers, which one will fit? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I've got the Hondaline silver colored one too. It fits very nicely. Sorry - I don't know how it does in the rain, but it does fold up nicely. It isn't as bulky as covers I've used with other bikes I've had. Darren Sinofsky 1989 PC800 "The Crib" Western Mass -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FB9UMUNN; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 22:24:34 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:26:45 -0500 Subject: PC800: Hondaline Tall Windshield From: Jim M SMITH The owner of a 90 PC (he is not on the list) contacted me today about trouble he is having with the reflection (prizm's) thru his windshield is damaging his dash, He purchased the windshield from Neosho Honda in DEC 97. When he contacted the dealer they said they have never heard of any complaints about these windshield. He seems to me like there was alot messges some time ago about this problem but I didn't keep and on them. Any information will be appreciated Jim SMITH: 90 PC 23,000+ Springfield Mo ,Ann's Pegs Corbin Seat,Tall Shield,CycleCom, Priority Plus Lights OKCDOC@JUNO.COM, OKCDOC@AOL.COM Retreads Gateway Region (Springfield) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 20:10:22 -0700 (MST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Alex Vrenios Subject: PC800: Why not Honda oil? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (Pacific Coast) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 100 20:10:21 -0700 (MST) All, Okay, I heard all the talk about Mobil 1, priced their silver and black bottles, then saw a reference to Gastrol and thought about seeing what else is around. I stopped at the local Honda dealer and, lo and behold, here's his take: 1. My bike, a '98 with under 3k miles, should continue to use petrolium based oil for a while yet, then use synthetic, or a blend. 2. At the temperatures we experience here in Phoenix, I should use 20W-50, which agrees with the Manuals btw. 3. His quarts of Honda GN4 (20W-50) are $2.99 (stickered). 4. His oil filters are priced at $8.99 (he thought). So why am I happy to pay more for (automotive) Mobil 1, and lots more for their motorcycle specific brand (V Twin)? I am open to advice, but I was really shocked to see so low a price on the EXACT same stuff that Honda recommends, and their own brand, to boot. Please, what am I missing? -- Regards, Alex, kx9i 98 pc800 Kazesan -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Thfwsf@aol.com for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:15:24 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: Why not Honda oil? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 7/5/00 11:01:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, vrenios@enuxsa.eas.asu.edu writes: << All, Okay, I heard all the talk about Mobil 1, priced their silver and black bottles, then saw a reference to Gastrol and thought about seeing what else is around. I stopped at the local Honda dealer and, lo and behold, here's his take: 1. My bike, a '98 with under 3k miles, should continue to use petrolium based oil for a while yet, then use synthetic, or a blend.>> Due to their nature, synthetic oils don't allow an engine to break in properly. So it always advisable to at least run the vehicle/motorcycle till the engine is properly broken in. The amount of miles is debatable. The previous owner of my bike switched to synthetic right after the 600 mile break in and I think my PC runs great and it now has 20,000. <<2. At the temperatures we experience here in Phoenix, I should use 20W-50, which agrees with the Manuals btw. 3. His quarts of Honda GN4 (20W-50) are $2.99 (stickered).>> I'm assuming this is normal dino oil. And per many of the listing any decent brand of oil will do fine. Why pay 2.99 when you can get some good dino oil for 1/2 the price or less. <<4. His oil filters are priced at $8.99 (he thought).>> Some people have ordered their filters from Honda of Milipitas for significantly less ($6 ish if I remember the posting). I do know STP makes an after market filter for about $5.00+ (SMO-17). I used an STP filter on my previous bike and it seemed to work fine. Or you can do as I did and wait till your local dealer has a sale (obviously this is dealer dependent) and stock up. So why am I happy to pay more for (automotive) Mobil 1, and lots more for their motorcycle specific brand (V Twin)? I am open to advice, but I was really shocked to see so low a price on the EXACT same stuff that Honda recommends, and their own brand, to boot. Please, what am I missing? >> Nothing really, just individual opinions. Everyone has their flavor of care. Enjoy your PC! Tom Fraser Manassas, VA '96 PC800 "Red Rover" 20,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-66702U35000L35000S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:37:00 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve Wilson" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Why not Honda oil? Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:38:55 -0500 I believe the Honda GN4 is synthetic. Steve Wilson Ruston LA. ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 10:15 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Why not Honda oil? > 3. His quarts of Honda GN4 (20W-50) are $2.99 (stickered).>> > I'm assuming this is normal dino oil. And per many of the listing any decent > brand of oil will do fine. Why pay 2.99 when you can get some good dino oil > for 1/2 the price or less. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id FX9BP500.ENG for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:43:53 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Fenwick" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Why not Honda oil? Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:45:36 -0500 No, Honda GN4 is 100% dino ($3 a quart). Honda HP4 is a synthetic and dino blend ($6-$7 a quart) Rich Fenwick rfenwick@core.com http://pc_800.tripod.com 1990 Honda PC800 HRCA - HM725413 ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Steve Wilson I believe the Honda GN4 is synthetic. > Steve Wilson Ruston LA. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-66702U35000L35000S0V35) with SMTP id net; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:47:02 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve Wilson" To: , "Jim M SMITH" Subject: Re: PC800: Hondaline Tall Windshield Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:48:56 -0500 Jim, Only reports of this that I have heard have been when the tall Honda shield is used. Carry a T-shirt in the trunk to pull over the shield and that should solve the problem. Steve Wilson Ruston LA. ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jim M SMITH" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 9:26 PM Subject: PC800: Hondaline Tall Windshield > The owner of a 90 PC (he is not on the list) contacted me today about > trouble he is having with the reflection (prizm's) thru his windshield is > damaging his dash, He purchased the windshield from Neosho Honda in DEC > 97. When he contacted the dealer they said they have never heard of any > complaints about these windshield. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: , "R. Fenwick" Subject: Re: PC800: Kisan Modulator Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:01:03 -0700 . I was instantly a believer. Rich Fenwick fenwick @nn.com Mine is sitting on the kitchen table. Should I be breaking my arm in = two places in order to install it? Second question: Selden posted about a different type he bought that = was "switchable." Seems to me a mechanical type could figure out a way = to cover/uncover the sensor easily so he could, say, disable it when = riding in a group of bikes. Any ideas about the mechanics and the = location? I bought mine from Kisan direct, very quick service, and I paid = 161.95 plus 3.55 S & H. That includes the 17.95 discount invoiced as = "club member: PC" Lee Barker 95 "Secondo con Blinko" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: , "R. Fenwick" Subject: Re: PC800: Kisan Modulator Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:01:40 -0700 Forgot to add in previous post that that price includes the Tailblazer = too. L. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Great Ned" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: How many miles will they go? Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:03:58 -0700 Steve: Last time I chatted with Leland Sheppard, he had 248,000 on one...and only about half that on his other. Lee Barker 95 "Secondo con Brio" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id FX9CFI00.YO9 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:59:42 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Fenwick" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Kisan Modulator Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:01:24 -0500 "Ned" wrote: Seems to me a mechanical type could figure out a way to cover/uncover = the sensor easily so he could, say, disable it when riding in a group of = bikes. =20 "Ned": =20 All you have to do to disable it is switch to your low beam... Viola! = No more modulator. Simple as that! And no, no need to break an arm, in one or two places... Just takes = about 10 minutes (less if you have worked on the headlight before - i.e = replacing the bulb qualifies). I paid $84.95 for mine at the local BMW dealer, they had them in stock, = so there was instant gratification... :-) How long did it take Kisan to get them delivered to you. I haven't = ordered the tailblazer yet... But Friday is payday! Rich Fenwick rfenwick@core.com http://pc_800.tripod.com 1990 Honda PC800 HRCA - HM725413 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Great Ned=20 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu ; R. Fenwick=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 11:01 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Kisan Modulator . I was instantly a believer. Rich Fenwick fenwick @nn.com Mine is sitting on the kitchen table. Should I be breaking my arm = in two places in order to install it? Second question: Selden posted about a different type he bought = that was "switchable." Seems to me a mechanical type could figure out a = way to cover/uncover the sensor easily so he could, say, disable it when = riding in a group of bikes. Any ideas about the mechanics and the = location? I bought mine from Kisan direct, very quick service, and I paid = 161.95 plus 3.55 S & H. That includes the 17.95 discount invoiced as = "club member: PC" Lee Barker 95 "Secondo con Blinko" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) Subject: Re: Re(2): PC800: David Kelly's point and on of "Wed, 05 Jul 2000 21:32:20 -0000." <20000705213222.BYYU2120.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 23:20:18 -0500 From: David Kelly sge2000@att.net writes: > > Isn't this whole issue of considerable importance for > the orderly archiving of messages? If so, I think > David's points have more validity than some of the > responses have recognized. We are not simply talking > about the convenience of those selecting messages to > read or to delete without reading, are we? I know we > like to direct folks to search the archives; isn't > David's point relevant to making sure the archives are > well arranged? It sure would contribute to the usefullness of the archives. Prior to purchase of my PC 2 years ago I downloaded about 1300 messages from the ftp site. Then ran them thru my email client for viewing/sorting. Am I the only one who appreciated the archives being in standard sendmail/ unix mailbox format? (A format that Eudora reads?) -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: David Kelly's point and on of "Wed, 05 Jul 2000 11:03:04 PDT." <20000705180304.35517.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 23:17:10 -0500 "Tim Macy" writes: > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Don Orton" > > However, chew on this...if we were to all get everything we needed > >to say out in a single message instead of many shorter messages, wouldn't > >volume of message traffic be reduced to the point where Dean might stay on > >the list full-time? > > Yes...maybe...no...I don't know! That's an interesting comment, Don. If it > worked. Now I'm confused as somewhere somebody changed the subject and added my name and I missed the start! Shouldn't have been able to miss it as I didn't do email on Tuesday and only had about 2MB of messages (just over 800) waiting. Also I don't understand the volume issue some people seem to be having. So what if you get 200 messages/day rather than 50? If the 200 messages are shorter because they don't wander then you will be able to get thru them faster by having them in order according to topic. No, I don't ever plan on reading each and every email message I get. Messages are sorted into folders by sender and/or mail list. Looks like I have 164 mail sorting rules. Very little falls thru my filter/sort rules. I find the PC800 tag in the subject field obnoxious. % wc -l ~/.maildelivery 164 /home/dkelly/.maildelivery -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Why not Honda oil? of "Wed, 05 Jul 2000 23:15:24 EDT." <42.7c3cbc9.269553cc@aol.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 23:03:59 -0500 Thfwsf@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 7/5/00 11:01:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > vrenios@enuxsa.eas.asu.edu writes: > 1. My bike, a '98 with under 3k miles, should continue > to use petrolium based oil for a while yet, then use > synthetic, or a blend.>> > Due to their nature, synthetic oils don't allow an engine to break in > properly. So it always advisable to at least run the vehicle/motorcycle till > the engine is properly broken in. The amount of miles is debatable. The > previous owner of my bike switched to synthetic right after the 600 mile > break in and I think my PC runs great and it now has 20,000. This wive's tale has been repeated so often that it has become self perpetuating. Rather than annoy manufacturers, synthetic oil makers have recommened, "Follow the manufacturer's advise as to break-in." The (mostly) marketing hype behind synthetic has exploded this to mean, "Synthetic lubricates too well for an engine to break-in." In the early days the only viscosity of Mobil-1 was something like 0W5. Very light oil. Mobil claimed due to the superiority of their synthetic formula the light oil would protect as well as heavier refined oils. The light oil resulted in better milage and horsepower, furthering the claims that synthetic was slicker. My PC rarely got 50 MPG the past 2 years with Mobil-1 15W50 but this year I put Havoline 10W40 (old stuff I've had laying around for 8 or 9 years, figured it must have lots of phosporous and zinc good stuff the EPA has outlawed from modern automotive oils.) Have never dropped below 51 MPG the past 2k miles. High was nearly 56 MPG. Didn't expect to see a difference between 40 and 50 weight. Oil is a mixture of hydrocarbon molecules. Synthetic oil is also a mixture of hyrdrocarbon molecules. Synthetic oil is oil. Its not something totally different which happens to be an oil substitute. Its not as if synthetic oil was made of hydrogen-silicon molecules. Or human blood... :-) During break-in high points on contact surfaces are going to get knocked off no matter what oil or blood you use. > <<4. His oil filters are priced at $8.99 (he thought).>> > Some people have ordered their filters from Honda of Milipitas for > significantly less ($6 ish if I remember the posting). I do know STP makes > an after market filter for about $5.00+ (SMO-17). I used an STP filter on my > previous bike and it seemed to work fine. Or you can do as I did and wait > till your local dealer has a sale (obviously this is dealer dependent) and > stock up. I'd use 15 year old new oil in my '98 PC before I'd use a Fram or STP brand oil filter. $9 at the dealer for an oil filter is not bad. My local dealers seem to want $10.50 or more. But the/a Jacksonville (Florida) Honda dealer travelled to WingDing XX (Huntsville, AL, 1998) and was selling genuine Honda filters for under $7, and was at the Honda Hoot this year, $6.99. Had used 2 of the 4 I bought in 1998, and a 3rd on my lawn mower (John Deere with Kawasaki engine) so I only bought two more at that price last month. STP doesn't make filters. They pay somebody to manufacture filters and print the STP name on it. Nothing really wrong with that other than the fear they'll change manufacturers every 6 months. When you purchase by brand name you should hope to get the same thing every time. Fram makes flimsy automotive oil filters. Maybe they filter well, who knows? Fram management is not to be trusted as they are making oil filtes with built-in Teflon(tm) timed release additives. No one with a reputation above Snake Oil Peddler would put Teflon(tm) in motor oil. If Fram management doesn't understand that point, then they can't be trusted. Suspect Fram buys motorcycle oil filters from somebody, just as STP does, just as Honda does. I believe Honda has more at stake making sure the oil filter is right. I don't feel the same way about the oil. > So why am I happy to pay more for (automotive) Mobil 1, and > lots more for their motorcycle specific brand (V Twin)? I am > open to advice, but I was really shocked to see so low a price > on the EXACT same stuff that Honda recommends, and their own > brand, to boot. Please, what am I missing? >> Always have to wonder just how much does Honda carry oil with their name on it due to the special needs of motorcycles, and how much of the reason they carry motor oil is due to the fact they can sell it at a premium just because their name is on it. My air cooled lawnmower engines have had nothing but 15W50 Mobil-1. While friends and neighbors use refined oil, they have worn out engines faster than I. In my case the self-propelled transmission or cast aluminum deck have conked out before my engines. Years ago I had to replace the valve cover gasket on my '86 VW Golf at 80k miles, all with Mobil-1. The camshaft lobes had the original machining marks except for a very fine line in the center peak of each lobe. I was impressed. Compression was still 160 psi +-5. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Beau Williams" To: "pc" Subject: PC800: How long? Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:07:05 -0700 I just replaced my oil this past weekend. After I put in the last quart = of Mobil 1, I noticed that I still had 4 unopened quarts of Honda GN4 = oil sitting in my tool shed. I think they're at least 2 years old, maybe more. (Obviously meant for = my prior steed, the Shadow VLX.) Does anyone know how long unopened bottles will last before they're = "ineffective"? Should I toss them or keep them? "Darth" Beau Ventura Co., CA 1994 Black PC 800 "Emperor Palpatine" After I put in the last quart of Mobil 1, I noticed that I still had 4 = unopened=20 quarts of Honda GN4 oil sitting in my tool shed.
 
I think they're at least 2 years old, = maybe=20 more.  (Obviously meant for my prior steed, the Shadow = VLX.)
 
Does anyone know how long unopened = bottles will=20 last before they're "ineffective"?  Should I toss them or keep=20 them?
 
"Darth"  Beau
Ventura Co., = CA
1994 Black=20 PC 800
"Emperor Palpatine"
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 01:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 01:44:27 EDT Subject: PC800: The Oil Theme To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I believe the oil filter used is just, if not more, important than the oil. The biggest advantages of Mobil 1 is that it clings to the engine parts reducing ware upon startup. It also does not thicken as readily and it is more resistent to heat than petroleum. (Startup is when most engine ware occurs.) It also holds is viscosity better than other oils, even comparable synthetics. That said, it should be noted that our PC engines will never operate at a point that would test petroleum based oil, much less Mobil 1. Mobil is an over kill. The oil filter is probably more important than the motor oil. Paper is by far the best filter, with the possible exception of the new fiber filter from Mobil. The Mobil filter is so effective that it cleans motor oil back to being almost new. (That may also decrease the loss in viscosity.) The problem is that the Mobil Filter that fits on the PC was designed for the Corvette. That opens a whole set of other problems like back pressure.... etc. My bet is that it will work. Bernie 94 PC 65K Overland Park, KS -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaPC800Rider@aol.com for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 02:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 02:06:30 EDT Subject: PC800: Installed the Hondaline tall shield... To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hey Listers... Slowly but surely I'm getting my PC the way I want her! Installed my Hondaline tall shield from Waynesville Cycle this evening, and it was a cinch. I decided to go ahead and yank the headlight bulb and install a new H4, while I was only one small panel away... Got everything back together and I realized, "Hey, I didnt align the sucker to the mounts, so I had to take everything back apart [geesh)! and align the shield to the bike. Its funny, though... I did the same thing when I replaced my shield on my Helix, ha ha ha! Just for looks I replaced the two right side crash bar "wings" that the former owner so eloquently scraped up, as well... I did notice one unique thing about the new Hondaline tall shield. It is cut from Lexan and has the GE "meatball" stamped on it. (My father is a GE QA Mgr and they call the GE sign the , don't ask why!) My stock OE shield is definitely polycarbonate, and is stamped as such. Just curious if the Lexan shield is more scratch-resistant than the OE shield, I'm sure some long time listers have the know on this one... I cant wait to try out the NEW PC!... Maybe if it stops raining tonight! Troy Doyle 1997 PC800 "I will call her, Gabrielle" Goose Creek, SC USA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaPC800Rider@aol.com for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 02:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 02:15:55 EDT Subject: PC800: Number of PC's sold, by year... To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I didnt find anything on this in the archives. Just curious if anyone has the specific number of PC800's actually sold per year, since 89... Troy Doyle 1997 PC800 "I will call her, Gabrielle" Goose Creek, SC USA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Thu, 6 Jul 2000 01:27:01 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bill Jarrells" To: , "Jim M SMITH" Subject: Re: PC800: Hondaline Tall Windshield Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 02:54:35 -0400 The tall Hondaline Windshield will definitely cook your dash. One day in the sun was all it took to cook mine (that was before I heard anything about it on the list). Either cover the dash with something or put edging on the shield. Bill Jarrells 89 'Quasimodo' Leesburg, Ohio -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim M SMITH To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 10:27 PM Subject: PC800: Hondaline Tall Windshield >The owner of a 90 PC (he is not on the list) contacted me today about >trouble he is having with the reflection (prizm's) thru his windshield is >damaging his dash, He purchased the windshield from Neosho Honda in DEC >97. When he contacted the dealer they said they have never heard of any >complaints about these windshield. >He seems to me like there was alot messges some time ago about this >problem but I didn't keep and on them. >Any information will be appreciated >Jim SMITH: 90 PC 23,000+ Springfield Mo ,Ann's Pegs >Corbin Seat,Tall Shield,CycleCom, Priority Plus Lights >OKCDOC@JUNO.COM, OKCDOC@AOL.COM >Retreads Gateway Region (Springfield) > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: LaidbackSquirtt@webtv.net (Dave Klein) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 01:14:47 -0500 (EST) To: ASKARDLIFE@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, patkins99@yahoo.com, scooter@bresnanlink.net Subject: Re: PC800: Whatta holiday!... Must be Nice!! I live in 2nd largest city in IND. & can count on one Hand the # of PC"s I've seen since i bought mine new in 97. Are you a Packer Fan? It could be a long year for the Pack--deffinately a rebuilding year for the Pack! Colts are Gonna kick butt Nov. 19th.:-} Dave Klein -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Alex Vrenios Subject: Re: PC800: Why not Honda oil? To: stevew@tcainternet.com (Steve Wilson) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 100 01:46:35 -0700 (MST) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (Pacific Coast) In an earlier email to me Steve Wilson said: > > I believe the Honda GN4 is synthetic. > Steve Wilson Ruston LA. > No. The HP4 is a blend of synthetic and petrolium based oils. The GN4 is all petrolium oil. (I read that pretty carefully.) -- Regards, Alex, kx9i 98 pc800 Kazesan -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Alex Vrenios Subject: Re: PC800: Kisan Modulator To: rfenwick@core.com (Fenwick) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 100 01:51:08 -0700 (MST) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (Pacific Coast) In an earlier email to me Fenwick said: > > How long did it take Kisan to get them delivered to you. I haven't = > ordered the tailblazer yet... But Friday is payday! > I ordered my Tailblazer direct from Kisan via their 800 number and it was on my doorstep in just under a week. (UPS Ground.) The unit was working about 15 minutes after I started installing it - does exactly what it says it does. I like it. -- Regards, Alex, kx9i 98 pc800 Kazesan -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Will Edwards" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: How many miles will they go? Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 02:20:52 -0700 I think you have found an excellent buy. If you don't snap it up, post the location and someone else will buy it. If your world about it's current condition, have a mechanic check it out first. After you purchase it, just change all the fluids so you will have a base starting place for fluid changes and ride it like you enjoy it. Will Edwards rstar@aa.net http://www.crosswinds.net/~cyclewill/ Washington State 96 Honda PC800 Focus your eyes to where you want to be, Not to where you are afraid of falling to.... . -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Stevntnnr@aol.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 4:02 PM Subject: PC800: How many miles will they go? >Hi everyone > >My name is Steve Tanner. I do not own a Pacific Coast but I wish to own one. >I found out about this list from the local Honda shop. I have found a PC800 >that is going to come up for sale shortly. I have seen the machine and it >appears to be in excellent shape. The only thing that bothers me is that it >has almost 80,000 miles on it. That seems to be a lot of miles to me. The >bike is a 1994 or 1995 model. Is this a lot of miles for a Pacific Coast? Are >there any of you with more miles than this? What is the most miles that any >of you have put on a PC? I think that I can buy the machine for between $2500 >and $2800. Is this a good price? The man that owned it recently died of >cancer and his widow already said that she would sell it to me. I want to buy >it but will not if it will not be lasting much longer. > >Many thanks for any and all help > >Steve >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: xcontrol@erols.com for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 06:17:32 -0400 To: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: PC800: RE: Help with bad noise Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 06:15:29 -0400 Importance: Normal -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: xcontrol@erols.com [mailto:xcontrol@erols.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 7:29 PM To: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Help with bad noise Hello again. I am getting a very bad sounding noise when I come to stop at different times, it has the sound of almost like a bunch of pennies in a metal can sloshing around. It is a very odd and distrubing noise. It only seems to happen at very very slow speeds or a stop on an incline. It seems to be a vibration and not coming from the clutch or engine. It does sound very bad, I checked the muffler cover and it looks good. I almost am wondering if maybe someone put some coins in the muffler and they fell into the center portion of it, as it sounds like it is coming from around there. It is a lousy sounding noise and fairly loud. If I am sitting there without changing engine speeds, or engaging the clutch the noise will just come and go, or sometimes not at all but it does seem to be like certain situations, like resonant sounds trigger it, of course once I am driving you do not hear it. Any ideas what to check, I am dissapointed since I think this will be hard to discover. Hoping I can get some help or advice. I was thinking about removing the muffler, and dumping it out to make sure there is nothing in it, but I am afraid I have to take 1/2 the bike apart to get it off. Thanks in advance Chris -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 08:10:51 -0300 From: Daniel MacKay To: xcontrol@erols.com Cc: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Re: PC800: RE: Help with bad noise Mail-Followup-To: xcontrol@erols.com, PC800 Mailing List I would advise a trip to your mechanic. Trying to diagnose a motorcycle's noise over the Internet, is like giving someone a napkin to sniff to see if your stew needs more salt. And, once you -have- a diagnosis, what are you going to do? Perform a coin-ectomy on your muffler? No, you will go to your mechanic and get it fixed. Anything anyone can diagnose over the Internet, a mechanic can do in about 0.001 seconds. If the Internet diagnosis is correct, you'll pay the same dollars as if you had not diagnosed it yourself. If it isn't, depending on how you approach your mechanic, you'll either pay more, or look like a butthead. Or both. -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 08:27:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: Why not Honda oil? Alex Vrenios writes: > Okay, I heard all the talk about Mobil 1, priced their > silver and black bottles, then saw a reference to Gastrol > and thought about seeing what else is around. I stopped at > the local Honda dealer and, lo and behold, here's his take: > > 1. My bike, a '98 with under 3k miles, should continue > to use petrolium based oil for a while yet, then use > synthetic, or a blend. > 2. At the temperatures we experience here in Phoenix, I > should use 20W-50, which agrees with the Manuals btw. > 3. His quarts of Honda GN4 (20W-50) are $2.99 (stickered). > 4. His oil filters are priced at $8.99 (he thought). Your dealer's advice is right on the mark. Take it. ====================================================================== Selden Deemer Atlanta, Georgia EMAIL: libssd@emory.edu ====================================================================== -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:32:34 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: The Oil Theme I run the PC maint/repair database at http://noc.dal.ca/~daniel/pc-maint/ How long does the PC engine last with good oil? We don't know. How long does the PC engine last with cheap oil? We don't know. How long does the PC engine last with expensive filters? We don't know. How long does the PC engine last with cheap filters? We don't know. Why don't we know? Because there are no statistics for it. With reasonably regular oil and filter changes of whatever brand, the engine and tranny will be the LAST thing to wear out on your bike. We can all say "Rider A put a squillion miles on his bike with Brand A so it must be good" and someone will say "Rider B put TWO squillion miles on HIS bike with Brand B so it must be better." You can do this all day if you want. I use department store brand oil in my bike, and I have NEVER had a head-on with a tiger. So that oil must be the best! To quote another lister, here is the secret to getting the most miles out of your PC: R I D E I T One person I've talked to in the last seven years had an engine failure on a PC, but he refused to talk about it -- my guess is that he filled the engine with ATF or went for a drive after draining the oil but not refilling. IT DOESN'T MATTER what oil and filters you put in it, the PC's engine will outlast your childrens' children. Please people. Keep oil in your bike, change it and your filters a couple times a year, be happy, and RIDE. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 08:37:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: How long? "Beau Williams" writes: > I just replaced my oil this past weekend. After I put in the last > quart of Mobil 1, I noticed that I still had 4 unopened quarts of > Honda GN4 oil sitting in my tool shed. > > I think they're at least 2 years old, maybe more. (Obviously meant for > my prior steed, the Shadow VLX.) > > Does anyone know how long unopened bottles will last before they're > "ineffective"? Should I toss them or keep them? This oil is well past its expiration date. Send to me, and I'll dispose of it properly (in an engine). Seriously, folks, the stuff has been sitting in the ground for millions of years (unless you're among that part of the population that believes the earth is only 6000 years old). Unlike wine, the lubricating characteristics of oil in a sealed container aren't going to change significantly in your lifetime. I have 4 quarts of Mobil 1 15W/50 SH that I'm saving for a special occasion. ====================================================================== Selden Deemer Atlanta, Georgia EMAIL: libssd@emory.edu ====================================================================== -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Chuck Chiodini" To: "Great Ned" , , "R. Fenwick" Subject: Re: PC800: Kisan Modulator Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 07:40:12 -0500 Fellow modulators: Most modulators work (modulate) the high beam and only when the = light sensor is indicating a "daylight" condition with the high beam on. = To stop modulating, all you need do is switch to low beam. If you really = feel the need to run high beam in the daytime with no modulation (as I = do when riding with fellow motorcyclists), just cover the light sensor = with electrical to fool it into thinking it's nightime.=20 Some "deluxe" (higher priced) modulators have different modes of = opertion that work as above and have a separate "off/on" switch and have = a mode where the modulation starts only when you thumb the horn. Pick the style that's right for you. My Kisan unit plugged in = between the headlight and the electrical connector to the headlight, = then I simply ran the sensor to a good location on my dash. Total = install time was less than five minutes in the parking lot. Did a "dark night" headlight bulb comparrison last night between my = new PIAA light and my old 100/80. PIAA won hands down with its bright = white light. After two weeks of use (with a modulator), my stock = electrical wiring shows no sign of over heating. Plastic headlight lens = hasn't melted yet either.=20 Ride like your life depends on it! Chuck Chiodini in Heber Springs, Arkansas '89 PC800 "Scooter" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-66702U35000L35000S0V35) with SMTP id net; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 07:49:22 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve Wilson" To: , "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: RE: Help with bad noise Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 07:51:21 -0500 Sounds to me like the sound of the PC/Volkswagen muffler chirp. The description you give is a little more robust than most of the muffler chirp symptoms but still along the same lines. Steve Wilson Ruston LA. ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Subject: PC800: RE: Help with bad noise > > Hello again. I am getting a very bad sounding noise when I come to stop at > different times, it has the sound of almost like a bunch of pennies in a > metal can sloshing around. It is a very odd and distrubing noise. It only > seems to happen at very very slow speeds or a stop on an incline. It seems > to be a vibration and not coming from the clutch or engine -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vartan Kazarov" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Hondaline Tall Windshield Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 06:37:58 PDT I have tall Honda windshield for over a year and didn't notice any dash melting. Maybe it's a SAENG edging. Vartan >From: "Bill Jarrells" >To: , "Jim M SMITH" >Subject: Re: PC800: Hondaline Tall Windshield >Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 02:54:35 -0400 > >The tall Hondaline Windshield will definitely cook your dash. One day in >the sun was all it took to cook mine (that was before I heard anything >about >it on the list). Either cover the dash with something or put edging on the >shield. > >Bill Jarrells >89 'Quasimodo' >Leesburg, Ohio > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jim M SMITH >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Date: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 10:27 PM >Subject: PC800: Hondaline Tall Windshield > > > >The owner of a 90 PC (he is not on the list) contacted me today about > >trouble he is having with the reflection (prizm's) thru his windshield is > >damaging his dash, He purchased the windshield from Neosho Honda in DEC > >97. When he contacted the dealer they said they have never heard of any > >complaints about these windshield. > >He seems to me like there was alot messges some time ago about this > >problem but I didn't keep and on them. > >Any information will be appreciated > >Jim SMITH: 90 PC 23,000+ Springfield Mo ,Ann's Pegs > >Corbin Seat,Tall Shield,CycleCom, Priority Plus Lights > >OKCDOC@JUNO.COM, OKCDOC@AOL.COM > >Retreads Gateway Region (Springfield) > > > >-- > >Visit the PC800 web page at > >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 07:01:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Roger Ries Subject: Re: PC800: Why not Honda oil? To: PC800 And when Honda needs more oil they contact there 'Mobil 1' reps. --- Fenwick wrote: > No, Honda GN4 is 100% dino ($3 a quart). Honda HP4 > is a synthetic and dino > blend ($6-$7 a quart) > > Rich Fenwick > rfenwick@core.com > http://pc_800.tripod.com > 1990 Honda PC800 > HRCA - HM725413 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve Wilson > > I believe the Honda GN4 is synthetic. > > Steve Wilson Ruston LA. ===== Later Roger R Chaska, MN '98 PC800W - Red Alert PCOG/PCOC #74, HSTA #8516RG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Alex Vrenios Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Why not Honda oil? To: libssd@emory.edu (Selden Deemer) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 100 08:11:42 -0700 (MST) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (Pacific Coast) In an earlier email to me Selden Deemer said: > Alex Vrenios writes: > > Okay, I heard all the talk about Mobil 1, [...] > > Your dealer's advice is right on the mark. Take it. > Thanks, Selden. Here's what I've decided. 1. Change the oil to Honda GN4. (I'm at 2610 miles and I don't know if the oil has ever been changed.) 2. At 5k change it again, probably to GN4 again. (I am in a hot, dry, dusty part of the country and changing every 2k seems appropriate to me.) 3. At 7k change oil to HP4, the Honda blend of petrolium and synthetic. (Honda is suggesting an oil to me to use in one of their products. Even if they're wrong, I can't be too far off considering the change frequency.) 4. Continue with 2k changes using HP4. Also, I decided to avoid the Fram brand because most of the experiences were negative. Honda seems to sell (make?) good filters but the dealers tend to overcharge. So long as they charge a fair price I will continue to use their brand. Mobil 1 is designed for automobiles, not motorcycles, and there is a very real difference in the way they are used. (Unless you ride your bike to work every day...) This brand seems to have a loyal following, but I doubt the extra cost (though slight) will make any difference to me over Honda oil in the short or the long run. Thanks to all of you for your advice. -- Regards, Alex, kx9i 98 pc800 Kazesan -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Server SMTP Relay(WSS) v4.5); Thu, 06 Jul 2000 10:19:23 -0500 X-Server-Uuid: df0da65c-1520-11d4-8e3e-0090278757fa ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prapuolenis, Michael S." To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" cc: "Francois St. Laurent (E-mail)" Subject: PC800: Sunday Breakfast Ride in Illinois with the Crazy Canuck Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:19:22 -0500 X-WSS-ID: 157A7CF1505040-01-01 That's right Chicago area Coasters! Francois Saint Laurent, usually of the grand blanc nort, is currently in the Chicago area. He is here for a couple of months, and we thought it would be fun to see if any Coasters in the area want to get together, compare bikes, and in general have some fun. We've selected the Highland House on 41 and Half Day Road(22) as an appropriate location for Coasters in the area to gather, eat, ogle the hundreds of bikes that congregate every Sunday, and then set off on a Sunday morning ride. Interested riders should arrive between 8:30 am and 10:30 am, this Sunday July 9th, at the Highland House (Highwood, IL). (847) 433-0961. Questions or responses can be sent to me directly. Michael Prapuolenis Ol' Black Magic '94 PC 800 Wheaton Illinois ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This e-mail is sent by a law firm and may contain information that is privileged or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete the e-mail and any attachments and notify us immediately. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Greg Castle" To: stevew@tcainternet.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, okcdoc@juno.com Subject: PC800: Melting of the dash Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 11:34:48 EDT >From: "Steve Wilson" > >Jim, Only reports of this that I have heard have been when the tall >Honda shield is used. Steve Wilson Ruston LA. > > My original stock windshield was doing the samething until I replaced it with a Clearview +3. Greg Castle 89 PC800 Keswick,Ontario,CANADA ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ron Kimball To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Installed the Hondaline tall shield... Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 11:46:23 -0400 On Thu, 6 Jul 2000 02:06:30 EDT, HondaPC800Rider@aol.com wrote: >Installed my Hondaline tall shield from Waynesville Cycle this evening, and >it was a cinch. Just curious, with all the bad things said about the tall hondaline on this list, does it have ANY advantage over the clearview? Happy Trails, RK (still waiting for my +3 clearview) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jeff Krause To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Be happy with your PC's bodily fluids Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:48:09 -0700 Right-on Dan! Ride People! Be Happy! Go Forth and Multiply! And quit obsessing over your PC's bodily fluids. I put 215,000 miles on my last sports car with no rebuilds WHAT SO EVER (only U-joints) It even had a Turbo! It still ran terrific when I sold it. What did I run in it? Cheap Dino oil, at ***20,000 mile*** intervals for the entire 8 years. My last vehicle before that had 165,000 when I sold it. Same story. Except the Police officer I sold it to took it for 65,000 miles because it still ran so good (only had a 5-digit odo). Shamefull, I know - but really people, Run whatever oil makes you feel "secure". BTW, I change the PC's oil every 5,000 miles. I have a long commute (long enough to completely evaporate crankcase condensation) which is probably the best thing for your engine you can do. If your trips are short, change your oil frequently. Jeff Krause -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca [mailto:Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca] Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 5:33 AM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: The Oil Theme I run the PC maint/repair database at http://noc.dal.ca/~daniel/pc-maint/ How long does the PC engine last with good oil? We don't know. How long does the PC engine last with cheap oil? We don't know. How long does the PC engine last with expensive filters? We don't know. How long does the PC engine last with cheap filters? We don't know. Why don't we know? Because there are no statistics for it. With reasonably regular oil and filter changes of whatever brand, the engine and tranny will be the LAST thing to wear out on your bike. We can all say "Rider A put a squillion miles on his bike with Brand A so it must be good" and someone will say "Rider B put TWO squillion miles on HIS bike with Brand B so it must be better." You can do this all day if you want. I use department store brand oil in my bike, and I have NEVER had a head-on with a tiger. So that oil must be the best! To quote another lister, here is the secret to getting the most miles out of your PC: R I D E I T One person I've talked to in the last seven years had an engine failure on a PC, but he refused to talk about it -- my guess is that he filled the engine with ATF or went for a drive after draining the oil but not refilling. IT DOESN'T MATTER what oil and filters you put in it, the PC's engine will outlast your childrens' children. Please people. Keep oil in your bike, change it and your filters a couple times a year, be happy, and RIDE. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KC2ATQ@aol.com for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:48:09 EDT Subject: PC800: More Questions about Oil To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I have been using Honda Oil 10-40 for years without any problems, And I know "if it is not broke, Don't fit it" But I would like to try Mobil One for the hell of it, some say it makes shifting easier, motors last longer, whatever. My question, Should I go with the 15W / 50. I ride mostly at highway speed for about 70 miles four to five times week. If not Please advise what wt. and why Thanks in advance, I hope all had a safe and happy Forth of July, I worked !! Jim T Beachwood, NJ 1996 PC800 43K -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaPC800Rider@aol.com for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:50:26 EDT Subject: PC800: Installed the Hondaline tall shield...the test ride... To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Honestly, I'm disappointed! This shield looks fantastic, but it is simply the shakiest piece of plastic I have seen on a bike. This shield looks fantastic, but its angle makes you stare at the reflection of your ignition switch and the silver Honda emblem as well... This shield looks fantastic, but I'm not that impressed really... Has anyone had a Clearview and a Hondaline tall combined riding experience... How is that Rifle model with the modified vent setup? I am seriously considering going back to stock for now... Troy Doyle 1997 PC800 "I will call her, Gabrielle" Goose Creek, SC USA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KC2ATQ@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:59:33 EDT Subject: PC800: Got a Name !!!! To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, N2HT@juno.com Well, we have all heard comments about our bikes. I have been asked, Do you need a DL to ride it, will it do Highway speed, is it electric ??? To name a few. Well, today I was at my local bike shop, A few "Young youths" showed up with their racing bikes and passed a negative word about my beloved PC. Well, as they left, making sounds like killer bees, I hit the gas, a blew them all away, granted on a straight run they would get me, but it was fun to see their faces when, a "girls" bike left them it the dust. One came up to me and said, WOW that's a sleeper. Sleeper, what a great name, So as of today my bike will be known as "sleeper" Ride safe Jim T Beachwood, NJ 1996 PC800 43K Sleeper -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 13:13:43 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Got a Name !!!! To: KC2ATQ@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "PC800 Rider" A true "under cover" motorcycle. Don't let your superiors (in rank only) know or they will have you doing stake outs with it. Congratulations on your naming! Tim Davies Seneca Falls, New York 13148 '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" KC2ATQ@aol.com writes: >Well, we have all heard comments about our bikes. I have been asked, Do you >need a DL to ride it, will it do Highway speed, is it electric ??? To name a >few. Well, today I was at my local bike shop, A few "Young youths" showed up >with their racing bikes >and passed a negative word about my beloved PC. Well, as they left, making >sounds like killer bees, I hit the gas, a blew them all away, granted on a >straight run they would get me, but it was fun to see their faces when, a >"girls" bike left them it the dust. One came up to me and said, WOW that's a >sleeper. Sleeper, what a great name, So as of today my bike will be known as >"sleeper" >Ride safe >Jim T >Beachwood, NJ >1996 PC800 43K >Sleeper -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Alex Vrenios Subject: Re: PC800: More Questions about Oil To: KC2ATQ@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Jul 100 11:01:03 -0700 (MST) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (Pacific Coast) The choice of viscosity range is dependent on your local temperature range during your "riding season" if you only ride during certain times of the year. See the chart in your Owners Manual. In an earlier email to me KC2ATQ@aol.com said: > My question, Should I go with the 15W / 50. I ride mostly at highway speed > for about 70 miles four to five times week. If not Please advise what wt. > and why -- Regards, Alex, kx9i 98 pc800 Kazesan -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: LaidbackSquirtt@webtv.net (Dave Klein) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:52:15 -0500 (EST) To: KC2ATQ@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Sleeper Now Jim, When people offend you, your suppose to turn the other Cheek. Thats what i would have done. I never named my PC {not into that sort a thing} but maybe i should name it "Cheeks". You know--- its wide rear end & all;:-} Dave Klein -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tim Macy" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: How many miles will they go? Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 11:09:28 PDT ----Original Message Follows---- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Stevntnnr@aol.com >The only thing that bothers me is that it has almost 80,000 miles on it. >That seems to be a lot of miles to me. The bike is a 1994 or 1995 model. Is >this a lot of miles for a Pacific Coast? Steve, I would ask if there are maintenance records on the bike. If you're uncomfortable about it, you could also ask a trusted mechanic to check it out. For the price, it's a bargain!!! I've got 118K on the Stealth and they're all HARD miles. Don't baby her a bit. The only mech trouble I've had was a toasted rear end and that was from a mech in Florida not doing his job (grease!) changing the rear tire. She still runs like new and I still get 50mpg 2-up. We just finished a 2300-mile ride over 4 days in weather ranging from 35-100 degrees; nary even a drop of oil was used. And the Stealth is a baby when compared to some of the bikes on this list! I've said all along that the PC800 is the "Beemer" of the Honda line when it comes to high mileage. Take care of it and ride... Tim "Scuffy" Macy Newberg, OR Stealthmobile - '94 Honda PC800 (118K) STealthmobile II - '99 Honda ST1100 ABS-II (4K) AMA #492485 HRCA #239441 HSTA #6030 RCMC STOC #1571 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:39:29 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: PC800: & Rosie You know, burnin' down the highway behind my buddy's '89 the other day, I was struck by how much our beloved PC, from the rear, looks like The Jetsons' Rosie The Robot: http://timvp.com/jetsons6.gif Did you ever wonder where the PC800 designers got their inspiration? -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tim Macy" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: & Rosie Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:02:31 PDT ----Original Message Follows---- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) You know, burnin' down the highway behind my buddy's '89 the other day, I was struck by how much our beloved PC, from the rear, looks like The Jetsons' Rosie The Robot: http://timvp.com/jetsons6.gif Did you ever wonder where the PC800 designers got their inspiration? Daniel: #1: You're definitely dating yourself! #2: You're definitely scaring me! Stop it! Tim "Scuffy" Macy Newberg, OR Stealthmobile - '94 Honda PC800 (118K) STealthmobile II - '99 Honda ST1100 ABS-II (4K) AMA #492485 HRCA #239441 HSTA #6030 RCMC STOC #1571 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tim Macy" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: The Oil Theme Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:08:46 PDT ----Original Message Follows---- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com The problem is that the Mobil Filter that fits on the PC was designed for the Corvette. Does that mean that if I use the Mobile filter I have to get a perm and freckles like Buzz and only ride on Route 66 and...oh...never mind... Tim "Scuffy" Macy Newberg, OR Stealthmobile - '94 Honda PC800 (118K) STealthmobile II - '99 Honda ST1100 ABS-II (4K) AMA #492485 HRCA #239441 HSTA #6030 RCMC STOC #1571 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tim Macy" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Contact (Was:Yankee Smuggler sighting) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:23:28 PDT ----Original Message Follows---- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) >If any of you new members to the PC800 list have any reluctance about >contacting fellow Listers as you travel the countryside (foreign or > >domestic) please don't give in to that feeling. I think I speak for >the >majority of active list members in saying we relish the >opportunity to >interact face to face with our community of friends on >this list. Gotta go with Tim on that one! Nan and I specifically set up our two extra bedrooms with the intention of giving people "on the road" a place to crash on their way through Orygun. We also have room in another barely used bonus room for people with sleeping bags, etc. We would consider it an honor and a pleasure to be hosts to motorcycling wayfarers. To quote Nan, "Wouldn't it be great to see the driveway filled with PC's on the way to the Y2K?" Juan, we're going to miss you and your wonderful wife in this endeavor. Sure you can't bust loose? Tim "Scuffy" Macy Newberg, OR Stealthmobile - '94 Honda PC800 (118K) STealthmobile II - '99 Honda ST1100 ABS-II (4K) AMA #492485 HRCA #239441 HSTA #6030 RCMC STOC #1571 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:49:12 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RBILLANDVAL@cs.com for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 19:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 19:12:01 EDT Subject: PC800: new kid(rbillandval)is going to move To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Due to the unexpected Volume of mail I get from this list I am unsubscribing at this address and resubscribing at a new one. My better half was overwhelmed and could not sort out her mail from mine. Love the list, will re-appear shortly as BillandScoot@cs.com. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:49:27 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: xcontrol@erols.com for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 19:30:30 -0400 To: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: PC800: Help with bad noise Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 19:28:31 -0400 Importance: Normal Hello again. I am getting a very bad sounding noise when I come to stop at different times, it has the sound of almost like a bunch of pennies in a metal can sloshing around. It is a very odd and distrubing noise. It only seems to happen at very very slow speeds or a stop on an incline. It seems to be a vibration and not coming from the clutch or engine. It does sound very bad, I checked the muffler cover and it looks good. I almost am wondering if maybe someone put some coins in the muffler and they fell into the center portion of it, as it sounds like it is coming from around there. It is a lousy sounding noise and fairly loud. If I am sitting there without changing engine speeds, or engaging the clutch the noise will just come and go, or sometimes not at all but it does seem to be like certain situations, like resonant sounds trigger it, of course once I am driving you do not hear it. Any ideas what to check, I am dissapointed since I think this will be hard to discover. Hoping I can get some help or advice. I was thinking about removing the muffler, and dumping it out to make sure there is nothing in it, but I am afraid I have to take 1/2 the bike apart to get it off. Thanks in advance Chris -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:49:01 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 04:33:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Grant Subject: PC800: Aha!!! To: LAM AGNES Cc: SERISIER MERI , duke seattle , Eli Schneider Beverly Silverman , Vincent Sullivan , Paul Varfis , Patti Wilson , Clive Wilton , Hap Wood , SUTTON ANNE , "Bobw. California" , Richard Culmone , Lucy Davis , Bill Easter , Doris Endo , Ken Foreman , MaryPaulS Gibson , brenda gooding , Ronald Grant , Tina Grant , John Heather Hartles , Peter Hively , Steve Ispas , Rey Joseph , Grahame Keast , Bernie Kemp , Steve Langford , PCUSA M/Cgroup Wow! Final installment of the Scandanavia story.....soon to come!! Wrote it this morning, my second last day in Sweden as I head for the Copenhagen bridge tomorrow, on to West Denmark...and back to the UK! Would love to hear any response, favorable or otherwise, when you have read it......I siuspect many on this list dont really want or need these tales, judging from the send/response ratio!! ===== Ron Grant
NOW on Round World trip, just completed 4000 miles thru Calif, Nevada, Utah and Colorado....now IN Sweden and heading EAST!!! ultspnch@yahoo.com from May1/2000


1999 AFRICA trip with PICTURES, also AMERICA with pics now at
www.powerup.com.au/~ultspnch __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:49:04 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 10:10:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Grant Subject: PC800: Ron in Sweden! To: SUTTON ANNE Cc: SERISIER MERI , Eli Schneider Beverly Silverman , Vincent Sullivan , Paul Varfis , Patti Wilson , Clive Wilton , Hap Wood , "Bobw. California" , Richard Culmone , Lucy Davis , Bill Easter , Doris Endo , Ken Foreman , MaryPaulS Gibson , brenda gooding , Ronald Grant , Tina Grant , John Heather Hartles , Peter Hively , Steve Ispas , Tarama Jones , Rey Joseph , Grahame Keast , Bernie Kemp , Steve Langford , PCUSA M/Cgroup What Hat? What Coat? What Cigar!?! As I lay in bed this morning, I was wondering about what the dominent impression I will be left with for each of the Scandanavian countries through which I have travelled in the last month. Certainly, for Denmark, it will be my overwhelmingly positive impressions of the education system. For Norway, it will be the fantastic number and variety of road tunnnels. For Sweden, I suspect it will be my own invisibility! I first noticed this amazing phenomena in the seaside resort town of Hamburgsund, as I joined about 500 townsfolk in the central square for the Midsummer afternoon celebrations. Now, all my friends and acquaintances will be quick to agree that I am not the shy and retiring type. As well as being quite outgoing and demonstrative in interpersonal situations, I also do everything I can to ensure that I attract the type of attention amongst strangers that promotes interest and inquisitiveness in many. In fact, much of the joy of travel for me is that interaction with strangers that results in a mutual exchange of knowledge and ideas. I would have dull trips without it! In Sweden, as I stroll along with my Ozzie hat, multicolored jacket, and smoking my 20 cm. Nicaraguan cigar, I front an ongoing bevy of blank stares! Even from the kids, a previously certain source of interesting bantor and amused interaction. I am amazed how even children of 7 or 8 have picked up so well the national practice of staring straight ahead with nary a nod as they pass the most striking and unusual appearing man they have seen in yonks. Only the very youngest, those of 3 or 4 years old, can manage to return my smile with a stare and a twisted head as they attempt to keep me in focus when they are led quickly past by a parent or older sibling. Of course it is not that Swedes are abjectively unfriendly, no one I have chosen to speak to has refused my request for directions, information, or even help in getting my motorcycle up on the centerstand. It is just that unless specifically adressed, it is the norm here to show no sign of acknowelgement of strangers, and even my almost extreme efforts at provocation can not dent this resolve. Certainly I expect my ego to be in recovery mode for weeks. And what of other Swedish impressions? Well, I have certainly had great SERVAS host success here, in spite of my travels taking place at near the peak of the holiday season when one would expect many hosts to be absent or busy. I have stayed with 6 hosts, and been declined a visit by only 2. As has proven to be the norm in Scandanavia, I am continually offered magnificent food, and am having great difficulty succeeding in my goal to drop 5 kg. I had to laugh as host Gert in Stockholm commented that maybe I should ask SERVAS Sweden to put an ’x’ beside his book entry, for poor food , as he had not cooked much during my visit. Sure, not much cooking, but every meal included a variety of 10 or 12 different offerings, including large buckets of peeled prawns and crayfish meat! Certainly the visual highlight of Sweden has been Stockholm, where I was able to stay 3 nights courtesy of Gert and Eva. It definately lives up to the guidebook billing as the World’s Most Beautiful Capitol City, with its magnificent old buildings surrounded by water, bridges, and archipelago islands. My most amazing discovery in this magnificent city of museums was the ’Vassa’. I had read briefly about the Vassa, a recovered 17th century warship lifted from the harbour in 1961. Only due to the shallow depth, ( it sailed for 23 minutes before capsizing!) and brackish low-salt content water was such a remarkable preservation and ressurection possible. Now housed in a purpose built building it is almost exactly as it sailed/sank 372 years ago with 90% ’original parts!’ The Vassa was the largest Swedish warship ever built at the time, and at over 200 feet long it makes an overwhelming visual impact. No expense was spared in its construction, its exterior is covered with intricate decoration and ornate carvings. It was the first Swedish warship constructed with a double deck of heavy cannons, however, and the story of engineering opinion being overuled by the social and prestige motivations of the King is a fascinating tale. My Saturday started and ended at the Vassa Museum. On Sunday I took a 6 hour cruise by old wooden steamboat out through the thousands of islaands that make up the offshore archipelago. As has been common on my non riding days in Sweden, the weather was less than ideal, but even inside on this all wood , magnicently preserved ship, the views were a treat. Much of the ride was also enhanced by the long conversations I had with Susan, an American Phd. In electronics engineering recently hired by a Swedish company to develop their microchip manufacturing machinery for the world market. Susan’s ideas and perspective on a females’ place in the male dominated field of high-tech inovative engineering technology was one few others would be qualified to give. We exchanged many thoughts on why people choose engineering training and careers, and a lot of what she expressed to me I had not heard before. Of course I gave her both barrels of my ’quality of life’propaganda ’spiel’, and I hope she decides to stay in touch so we can compare notes down the line. The sailboat race in progress around Sandholm, our destination island, was a bit of a ’fizzer’ due to the fog and rain, but I spent hour on shore marvelling at all the big buck ’cigarette’ support boats as they put 500 liters of fuel into their tanks for another forray out to the fleet. And the roads? Well, in spite of the holiday caravan traffic, I have managed to find lengths of kilometers relatively untrafficted, much of it through rolling wooded countyside, and making for lovely relaxed riding. The constant ’Moose’ warning signs can be a bit unnerving, but my hosts Martin and Annika here in the south coast town of Kalmar tell me actual road sightings are rare. The more common occurance is an animal that translates as ’rodeer’ in the dictionary, and from their description, I’m pretty sure I have not seen one of those, either. As befits the ’flexible flyer’ that I am, I have just been forced to make another route change, as the ferry from Sweden is full, so it seems I will cross the newly opened World’s Longest Bridge between Sweden and Denmark, after all. It will be a tighter schedule involving more riding, but I have a reservation on the Denmark to Harwich ferry leaving Thursday night, which will still allow me to make my appointment with PC800 rider Ian for the Donnington Park motorcycle races this coming weekend. I hope that will be a crowning end to what has been another superb ’part’ of this round world trip, and am starting to formulate in my mind my plans for a Bangkok and Pnom Penh arrival in less than a weeks time. ===== Ron Grant
NOW on Round World trip, just completed 4000 miles thru Calif, Nevada, Utah and Colorado....now IN Sweden and heading WEST....back in UK July 7.!!! ultspnch@yahoo.com from May1/2000


1999 AFRICA trip with PICTURES, also AMERICA with pics now at
www.powerup.com.au/~ultspnch __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 16:57:27 -0300 To: xcontrol@erols.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: Help with bad noise I would advise a trip to your mechanic. Trying to diagnose a motorcycle's noise over the Internet, is like giving someone a napkin to sniff to see if your stew needs more salt. And, once you -have- a diagnosis, what are you going to do? Perform a coin-ectomy on your muffler? No, you will go to your mechanic and get it fixed. Anything anyone can diagnose over the Internet, a mechanic can do in about 0.01 seconds. If the Internet diagnosis is correct, you'll pay the same dollars as if you had not diagnosed it yourself. If it isn't, depending on how you approach your mechanic, you'll either pay more, or look like a butthead. Or both. -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:00:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Jesus Soriano Subject: Re: PC800: & Rosie To: Daniel MacKay , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Can I get some of whatever it is you are taking? :) --- Daniel MacKay wrote: > You know, burnin' down the highway behind my buddy's > '89 the other day, I > was struck by how much our beloved PC, from the > rear, looks like The > Jetsons' Rosie The Robot: > > http://timvp.com/jetsons6.gif > > Did you ever wonder where the PC800 designers got > their inspiration? > > > -- > Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca > Homo habilis Nova > Scotia, Canada > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe > pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mocha.memphis.edu (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3067) Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:59:27 CST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 14:56:35 -0500 From: "David L. Sigsbee" Subject: PC800: Russell Seat Saga To: PC800 Reply-to: dsigsbee@memphis.edu X-Corel-MessageType: EMail My Russell seat was scheduled to be built on June 10, and I was fortunate enough to buy a used seat from another lister so that I didn't have to send in the seat I am using to ride on this summer (I really wanted to avoid the board covered with foam and secured with bungee cords approach). Yesterday I got a letter from Russell saying they are four to six weeks behind on orders and that anyone scheduled to send their seat in should check first to find out the new schedule (so that they will not lose riding time while unnecessarily waiting). Two things about this. For one, Russell is responsible enough to do this and not keep people guessing. For the other, Russell has now confirmed what some listers have already have told us, that the schedule for seat building has fallen way behind. --David -- David L. Sigsbee Office: 901 678-4688 Academic Transfer and Articulation Fax: 901 678-5367 The University of Memphis E-Mail: dsigsbee@memphis.edu 402 Jones Hall Home: 901 327-3848 Memphis, TN 38152-6140 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:13:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Christoffer Carstanjen Subject: Re: PC800: Melting of the dash To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu That "Crazy Canuck" FSL told me about it and successfully talked me out of buying a used tall honda windshield. Being such the optimist, I should have believed him then. Last weekend, I have personally seen that effect on "The Crib", a 1989 PC800, when I went riding with Darren and his wife. If I recall correctly - It looks like wavy ridges on the dashboard (for lack of a better term). In two different places along the dashboard edge. Now if I can only get those ants to walk along the dashboard..... :-) cmc --- Greg Castle wrote: > > > > >From: "Steve Wilson" > > > >Jim, Only reports of this that I have heard have > been when the tall > >Honda shield is used. Steve Wilson Ruston LA. > > > > > My original stock windshield was doing the samething > until I replaced it > with a Clearview +3. > > Greg Castle > 89 PC800 > Keswick,Ontario,CANADA > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe > pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ===== ===== Christoffer Carstanjen - 98PC800 Nebuchadnezzar 4700 miles Western Massachusetts / Gas - $1.67 gallon goodies include - GIVI rack (no box)/EC Fog Lamps/ Clearview+3/Saeng edging/H trunk light kit/ Back-OFF brakelight modulator/ body by Budweiser..err..by Tupperware Decals & to think I was going to ride it stock.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 15:32:33 -0500 To: PC800 From: "R. Fenwick" Subject: Re: PC800: Russell Seat Saga Let me make sure that I have this correctly. They sent a letter, which itself was nearly four weeks late, stating that they are 4-6 weeks behind in production. Does that mean that they are really a total of 8-10 weeks behind schedule? (4-6 weeks from the date that the already 4 week late letter was sent?) This sounds like they are owned by Har(d)ley Davidson, and they run their production line the same way. Not to knock them, but this is pathetic. Hire some more people!!! So, if you are lucky, it should arrive by Labor Day (or the unofficial end of Summer...) I guess this just proves that those interested in a seat (myself included) had better get them ordered NOW so it shows up by next Spring. No wonder Corbin can easily stay in business with all these stories floating around of their poor customer service.... I'm just curious... How long ago did you actually place the order??? Rich Fenwick At 02:56 PM 07/06/2000 -0500, David L. Sigsbee wrote: >My Russell seat was scheduled to be built on June 10, and I was >fortunate enough to buy a used seat from another lister so that I didn't >have to send in the seat I am using to ride on this summer (I really >wanted to avoid the board covered with foam and secured with bungee >cords approach). > >Yesterday I got a letter from Russell saying they are four to six weeks >behind on orders and that anyone scheduled to send their seat in should >check first to find out the new schedule (so that they will not lose >riding time while unnecessarily waiting). Two things about this. For >one, Russell is responsible enough to do this and not keep people >guessing. For the other, Russell has now confirmed what some listers >have already have told us, that the schedule for seat building has >fallen way behind. > >--David > >-- >David L. Sigsbee Office: 901 678-4688 >Academic Transfer and Articulation Fax: 901 678-5367 >The University of Memphis E-Mail: dsigsbee@memphis.edu >402 Jones Hall Home: 901 327-3848 >Memphis, TN 38152-6140 > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu.
I guess this just proves that those interested in a seat (myself included) had better get them ordered NOW so it shows up by next Spring.    No wonder Corbin can easily stay in business with all these stories floating around of their poor customer service....

I'm just curious... How long ago did you actually place the order???

Rich Fenwick


At 02:56 PM 07/06/2000 -0500, David L. Sigsbee wrote:
>My Russell seat was scheduled to be built on June 10, and I was
>fortunate enough to buy a used seat from another lister so that I didn't
>have to send in the seat I am using to ride on this summer  (I really
>wanted to avoid the board covered with foam and secured with bungee
>cords approach).
>
>Yesterday I got a letter from Russell saying they are four to six weeks
>behind on orders and that anyone scheduled to send their seat in should
>check first to find out the new schedule (so that they will not lose
>riding time while unnecessarily waiting).  Two things about this.  For
>one, Russell is responsible enough to do this and not keep people
>guessing.  For the other, Russell has now confirmed what some listers
>have already have told us, that the schedule for seat building has
>fallen way behind.
>
>--David
>
>--
>David L. Sigsbee                          Office: 901 678-4688
>Academic Transfer and Articulation        Fax:    901 678-5367
>The University of Memphis                 E-Mail: dsigsbee@memphis.edu
>402 Jones Hall                            Home:   901 327-3848
>Memphis, TN  38152-6140
>
>
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-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jeff Krause To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: RE: PC800: Help with bad noise Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:01:55 -0700 I had *perhaps* a similar sound that seemed like it could be ANYTHING BUT brake pads (pennies in a can) and at low speeds without the brakes applied, - but it was! No, the pads were not worn out, but I changed the front pads (EBCs) and the mysterious sound has been gone for several thousand miles now. I checked everything else before replacing the pads (wheel bearings, driveline, muffler, etc). I have never had a vehicle's brakes make this type of sound before, but maybe there is something weird about the PC's rotor enclosure or the related bracketry that can attenuate front brake noise? As always, check the rotors for scouring, too. Jeff Krause 95 PC "800 Mhz" -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: xcontrol@erols.com [mailto:xcontrol@erols.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 4:29 PM To: PC800 Mailing List Subject: PC800: Help with bad noise Hello again. I am getting a very bad sounding noise when I come to stop at different times, it has the sound of almost like a bunch of pennies in a metal can sloshing around. It is a very odd and distrubing noise. It only seems to happen at very very slow speeds or a stop on an incline. It seems to be a vibration and not coming from the clutch or engine. It does sound very bad, I checked the muffler cover and it looks good. I almost am wondering if maybe someone put some coins in the muffler and they fell into the center portion of it, as it sounds like it is coming from around there. It is a lousy sounding noise and fairly loud. If I am sitting there without changing engine speeds, or engaging the clutch the noise will just come and go, or sometimes not at all but it does seem to be like certain situations, like resonant sounds trigger it, of course once I am driving you do not hear it. Any ideas what to check, I am dissapointed since I think this will be hard to discover. Hoping I can get some help or advice. I was thinking about removing the muffler, and dumping it out to make sure there is nothing in it, but I am afraid I have to take 1/2 the bike apart to get it off. Thanks in advance Chris -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mocha.memphis.edu (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3067) Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:58:37 CST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 15:55:45 -0500 From: "David L. Sigsbee" Subject: Re: PC800: Russell Seat Saga To: "R. Fenwick" Cc: PC800 Reply-to: dsigsbee@memphis.edu X-Corel-MessageType: EMail In answer to Rich Fenwick. My order confirmation from Russell is dated February 19, 2000 (I don't seem to have a copy of my original order, but it was a week or so earlier than the confirmation). I guess I am not so excited by the delay, since I had plenty of advance warning from others on the list about the two month delay they had in receiving their seats (and as a consequence I did not send in my own original seat pan). However, if they had my only seat and I was missing riding this summer, this delayed announcement would be hard for me to deal with, to say the least. --David -- David L. Sigsbee Office: 901 678-4688 Academic Transfer and Articulation Fax: 901 678-5367 The University of Memphis E-Mail: dsigsbee@memphis.edu 402 Jones Hall Home: 901 327-3848 Memphis, TN 38152-6140 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jeff Krause To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: RE: PC800: Help with bad noise Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:07:43 -0700 OR at a complete stop? Scratch my previous email. Jeff Krause 95 PC "800 Mhz" -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: xcontrol@erols.com [mailto:xcontrol@erols.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 4:29 PM To: PC800 Mailing List Subject: PC800: Help with bad noise Hello again. I am getting a very bad sounding noise when I come to stop at different times, it has the sound of almost like a bunch of pennies in a metal can sloshing around. It is a very odd and distrubing noise. It only seems to happen at very very slow speeds or a stop on an incline. It seems to be a vibration and not coming from the clutch or engine. It does sound very bad, I checked the muffler cover and it looks good. I almost am wondering if maybe someone put some coins in the muffler and they fell into the center portion of it, as it sounds like it is coming from around there. It is a lousy sounding noise and fairly loud. If I am sitting there without changing engine speeds, or engaging the clutch the noise will just come and go, or sometimes not at all but it does seem to be like certain situations, like resonant sounds trigger it, of course once I am driving you do not hear it. Any ideas what to check, I am dissapointed since I think this will be hard to discover. Hoping I can get some help or advice. I was thinking about removing the muffler, and dumping it out to make sure there is nothing in it, but I am afraid I have to take 1/2 the bike apart to get it off. Thanks in advance Chris -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 17:23:54 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Contact (Was:Yankee Smuggler sighting) To: timbmacy@hotmail.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "PC800 Rider" Hey Scuffy, please rephrase your invitation to make it more motorcycle inviting. I'm not sure offering a motorcyclist a place to "crash" will draw much of a crowd to your Orygun B & B (or is that just B?). Tim Davies Seneca Falls, New York 13148 '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" timbmacy@hotmail.com writes: >----Original Message Follows---- >From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) > >>If any of you new members to the PC800 list have any reluctance about >>contacting fellow Listers as you travel the countryside (foreign or >> >domestic) please don't give in to that feeling. I think I speak for >the >>majority of active list members in saying we relish the >opportunity to >>interact face to face with our community of friends on >this list. > >Gotta go with Tim on that one! Nan and I specifically set up our two extra >bedrooms with the intention of giving people "on the road" a place to crash >on their way through Orygun. We also have room in another barely used bonus >room for people with sleeping bags, etc. We would consider it an honor and a >pleasure to be hosts to motorcycling wayfarers. To quote Nan, "Wouldn't it >be great to see the driveway filled with PC's on the way to the Y2K?" > >Juan, we're going to miss you and your wonderful wife in this endeavor. Sure >you can't bust loose? > >Tim "Scuffy" Macy >Newberg, OR > >Stealthmobile - '94 Honda PC800 (118K) >STealthmobile II - '99 Honda ST1100 ABS-II (4K) > >AMA #492485 >HRCA #239441 >HSTA #6030 >RCMC >STOC #1571 > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:56:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Atkins Subject: PC800: I've seen everything now! To: Pacific Coast List Posting Hello all, I saw something yesterday I'd thought I'd share. I saw a guy on a motorcyle, approaching a busy interection of frontage road and interstate highway TALKING ON A CELL PHONE and cruising down the road. WOW! On a brighter note, for those of you in Wisconsin.. try county road LS in Manitowoc and Sheyboygan counties. It goes right along Lake Michigan and the view is beautiful! Hear that Todd for when you become President of the Northeast Wisconin(the middle coast) PC Rider's Club? Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ASKARDLIFE@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:02:30 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: Whatta holiday!... To: LaidbackSquirtt@webtv.net CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, patkins99@yahoo.com, scooter@bresnanlink.net Dave, I'm a Packer fan! It is instilled in you when you are young. The Packer's are like an extension of everyone's family. Nice feeling! I was thinking...we play the Colt's on that date? Where..here-there?? I would be more than willing to go to the game with you, if it is played down by you. Road trip with the "Poesidon" would be awesome! Let me know. I'm sure you might be aware of the ticket problems here...waiting list for season tickets are 25,000 long!! Only 5-7 tickets come available every year! Sux to be me..... later... Todd Skar 89'PC 14k "Poesidon" Green Bay, WI -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ASKARDLIFE@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:14:28 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: Got a Name !!!! To: KC2ATQ@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Jim, I must say I like it!!! They might go fast, but can they get 48-53 mpg!!! The intelligent choice... the PC800! We are all very wise Pc owners. Value and performance..got to love it! Todd Skar 89'PC 14k "Poseidon" GreenBay, WI -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ASKARDLIFE@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:47:25 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: I've seen everything now! To: patkins99@yahoo.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Paul & everyone, I think I might have just do that. I am very anxious and excited about the Northeast Wisconin(the middle coast) PC Rider's Club !!! I will get things together and pass along info.....this is so GREAT!!! By the way Paul....the two guys whom I met in the last two days have contacted me and we are going to do dinner some night soon! I will get there info and keep ya informed.... later.... Todd Skar 89'PC 14k "Poesidon" G.B. , WI -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: KC2ATQ@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: More Questions about Oil of "Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:48:09 EDT." Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 18:58:33 -0500 KC2ATQ@aol.com writes: > I have been using Honda Oil 10-40 for years without any problems, And I know > "if it is not broke, Don't fit it" But I would like to try Mobil One for the > hell of it, some say it makes shifting easier, motors last longer, whatever. > My question, Should I go with the 15W / 50. I ride mostly at highway speed > for about 70 miles four to five times week. If not Please advise what wt. > and why Use the 15W50 because that weight of oil is exempt from the same zinc and phosphorous limits the ligher oils are subject to under the SAE SJ rating. OTOH tests have demonstrated Mobil doesn't take advantage of the exemption. All of the other Mobil-1 weights are xW30 and 30 is too light for the PC according to Honda. Another good oil to consider is Mobil Delvac 1300, mostly considered a truck gasoline/diesel oil. Seems to be only available in 15W40. Under $6 per gallon. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Will Edwards" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Russell Seat Saga Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 17:11:10 -0700 I got the same letter, my date was June 13. Lucky for me another listener loaned me a seat. God bless him. Will Edwards rstar@aa.net http://www.crosswinds.net/~cyclewill/ Washington State 96 Honda PC800 Focus your eyes to where you want to be, Not to where you are afraid of falling to.... . -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: David L. Sigsbee >Yesterday I got a letter from Russell saying they are four to six weeks >behind on orders and that anyone scheduled to send their seat in should >check first to find out the new schedule (so that they will not lose >riding time while unnecessarily waiting). Two things about this. For >one, Russell is responsible enough to do this and not keep people >guessing. For the other, Russell has now confirmed what some listers -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP Thu, 6 Jul 2000 17:34:14 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ralph Couey" To: "Jesus Soriano" , "Daniel MacKay" , Subject: Re: PC800: & Rosie Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 19:34:12 -0500 Actually, with shaft drive, we have no use for Mr. Spacely's Sprockets. |-) --Ralphroodoodoodoodoodoo (or whatever that noise is Jetson's car makes...) ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jesus Soriano" To: "Daniel MacKay" ; Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 3:00 PM Subject: Re: PC800: & Rosie > Can I get some of whatever it is you are taking? > :) > > --- Daniel MacKay wrote: > > You know, burnin' down the highway behind my buddy's > > '89 the other day, I > > was struck by how much our beloved PC, from the > > rear, looks like The > > Jetsons' Rosie The Robot: > > > > http://timvp.com/jetsons6.gif > > > > Did you ever wonder where the PC800 designers got > > their inspiration? > > > > > > -- > > Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca > > Homo habilis Nova > > Scotia, Canada > > > > > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe > > pc800" in the body of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to > pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: xcontrol@erols.com for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:01:21 -0400 To: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: PC800: Anyone still have their stock grips???? Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:59:20 -0400 Importance: Normal My PC had the grips changed, and I really dislike them. They are so soft that they have a little give which is not comfortable for me, esepcailly still being new to shifting. Also they are way to big for me, my hands are very small, and they are way to fat. The person who sold it told me that the stock grips were hard, and small, that's just what I want! Can anyone reccomend a good set, or still have the stock grips leftover they would sell very cheap, or maybe give for free :) if you don't want them. Thanks very much. Chris -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mark Gilb" To: "Pacific Coast" Subject: Re: PC800: Why not Honda oil? Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:54:21 -0500 I gotta go with Alex on this one. I know that motorcycle manufacturers run durability tests on their engines and my guess is that Honda runs theirs with their brand of oil and filters. Interestingly enough, the August 2000 American Motorcyclist has a Honda ad on page 41 extolling the virtues of Honda filters, using Mike Douglas and his 281,500 mile Gold Wing. That and the fact that I know of no blown up PC800s is good enough reason for me to use GN4 and Honda filters. Mark Gilb Arnold, Mo. 95 PC800 FAUX Alex Vrenios wrote ... > Okay, I heard all the talk about Mobil 1, priced their > silver and black bottles....... (snip) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dsinofsky@aol.com for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:57:12 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: Hondaline Tall Windshield To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 7/5/00 10:28:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, okcdoc@juno.com writes: << The owner of a 90 PC (he is not on the list) contacted me today about trouble he is having with the reflection (prizm's) thru his windshield is damaging his dash, He purchased the windshield from Neosho Honda in DEC 97. When he contacted the dealer they said they have never heard of any complaints about these windshield. He seems to me like there was alot messges some time ago about this problem but I didn't keep and on them. Any information will be appreciated >> My dash has suffered the ill effects of years of a Hondaline tall windshield. At Americade this year Francois enlightened me to this defect. I'll be getting a Clearview! Darren Sinofsky 1989 PC800 "The Crib" Western Mass -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mark Gilb" To: "PC 800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: Re: How long? Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:58:01 -0500 I'm hoping that the "special occasion" involves something mechanical and not just another night of the infamous "Mobil 1 Mud Wrestling" :-) Mark Gilb Arnold, Mo. 95 PC800 FAUX ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Selden Deemer" To: "PC 800 List" Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 7:37 AM Subject: PC800: Re: How long? > "Beau Williams" writes: > > > I just replaced my oil this past weekend. After I put in the last > > quart of Mobil 1, I noticed that I still had 4 unopened quarts of > > Honda GN4 oil sitting in my tool shed. > > > > I think they're at least 2 years old, maybe more. (Obviously meant for > > my prior steed, the Shadow VLX.) > > > > Does anyone know how long unopened bottles will last before they're > > "ineffective"? Should I toss them or keep them? > > This oil is well past its expiration date. Send to me, and I'll dispose > of it properly (in an engine). > > Seriously, folks, the stuff has been sitting in the ground for millions > of years (unless you're among that part of the population that believes > the earth is only 6000 years old). Unlike wine, the lubricating > characteristics of oil in a sealed container aren't going to change > significantly in your lifetime. I have 4 quarts of Mobil 1 15W/50 > SH that I'm saving for a special occasion. > > ====================================================================== > Selden Deemer > Atlanta, Georgia EMAIL: libssd@emory.edu > ====================================================================== > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dsinofsky@aol.com for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:06:27 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: Got a Name !!!! To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Speaking of names...we finally named our bike: The Crib. My wife thinks I'll have to sell the bike in exchange for a baby's crib. Until then, I'll just be hangin' on the crib.... Darren Sinofsky 1989 PC800 "The Crib" Western Mass -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mark Gilb" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Russell Seat Saga Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:10:23 -0500 Saw this in the Feb 2000 Motorcycle Consumer News (back page). May be of = interest to those of you looking into a "Russell" seat. "Bill Mayer has been building motorcycle seats since 1973, when he = developed the legendary Day-Long Saddle. He sold that business in the = 80's and agreed not to compete for a decade. Well, time's up and Bill is = back ........" He is using the same techniques (appointment, photos, old seat pan) that = he used at Russell. According to the article, his guarantee is also the = same - 100% satisfaction guaranteed. (Guess a good idea never really = goes out of vogue). No web site is listed but the address is -=20 Bill Mayer Saddles 6819 Eastside Rd. Suite B Redding, CA. 96001 1-877-4ASADDLR=20 Mark Gilb Arnold, MO 95 PC800 FAUX ----- Original Message -----=20 From: R. Fenwick=20 To: PC800=20 Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 3:32 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Russell Seat Saga Let me make sure that I have this correctly. They sent a letter, = which itself was nearly four weeks late, stating that they are 4-6 weeks = behind in production. Does that mean that they are really a total of = 8-10 weeks behind schedule? (4-6 weeks from the date that the already 4 = week late letter was sent?) This sounds like they are owned by Har(d)ley Davidson, and they run = their production line the same way. Not to knock them, but this is = pathetic. Hire some more people!!! So, if you are lucky, it should arrive by Labor Day (or the unofficial = end of Summer...) I guess this just proves that those interested in a seat (myself = included) had better get them ordered NOW so it shows up by next Spring. = No wonder Corbin can easily stay in business with all these stories = floating around of their poor customer service.... I'm just curious... How long ago did you actually place the order??? Rich Fenwick At 02:56 PM 07/06/2000 -0500, David L. Sigsbee wrote: >My Russell seat was scheduled to be built on June 10, and I was >fortunate enough to buy a used seat from another lister so that I = didn't >have to send in the seat I am using to ride on this summer (I really >wanted to avoid the board covered with foam and secured with bungee >cords approach). > >Yesterday I got a letter from Russell saying they are four to six = weeks >behind on orders and that anyone scheduled to send their seat in = should >check first to find out the new schedule (so that they will not lose >riding time while unnecessarily waiting). Two things about this. = For >one, Russell is responsible enough to do this and not keep people >guessing. For the other, Russell has now confirmed what some listers >have already have told us, that the schedule for seat building has >fallen way behind. > >--David > >-- >David L. Sigsbee Office: 901 678-4688 >Academic Transfer and Articulation Fax: 901 678-5367 >The University of Memphis E-Mail: = dsigsbee@memphis.edu >402 Jones Hall Home: 901 327-3848 >Memphis, TN 38152-6140 > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of = a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. in the=20 80's and agreed not to compete for a decade. Well, time's up and Bill is = back=20 ........"
 
He is using the same techniques (appointment, = photos, old seat=20 pan) that he used at Russell. According to the article, his guarantee is = also=20 the same - 100% satisfaction guaranteed. (Guess a good idea never really = goes=20 out of vogue).
 
No web site is listed but the address is - =
 
Bill Mayer Saddles
6819 Eastside Rd.
Suite B
Redding, CA. 96001
1-877-4ASADDLR 
 
Mark Gilb
Arnold, MO
95 PC800 FAUX
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 R. = Fenwick
To: PC800
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 = 3:32=20 PM
Subject: Re: PC800: Russell = Seat=20 Saga

Let me make sure that I have this correctly.  They = sent a=20 letter, which itself was nearly four weeks late, stating that they are = 4-6=20 weeks behind in production.  Does that mean that they are really = a=20 total of 8-10 weeks behind schedule?  (4-6 weeks = from the=20 date that the already 4 week late letter was sent?)

This sounds = like=20 they are owned by Har(d)ley Davidson, and they run their production = line the=20 same way.  Not to knock them, but this is pathetic.  Hire = some more=20 people!!!

So, if you are lucky, it should arrive by Labor Day = (or the=20 unofficial end of Summer...)

I guess this just proves that = those=20 interested in a seat (myself included) had better get them ordered NOW = so it=20 shows up by next Spring.    No wonder Corbin can easily = stay in=20 business with all these stories floating around of their poor customer = service....

I'm just curious... How long ago did you actually = place the=20 order???

Rich Fenwick


At 02:56 PM 07/06/2000 -0500, = David L.=20 Sigsbee wrote:
>My Russell seat was scheduled to be built on = June 10,=20 and I was
>fortunate enough to buy a used seat from another = lister so=20 that I didn't
>have to send in the seat I am using to ride on = this=20 summer  (I really
>wanted to avoid the board covered with = foam and=20 secured with bungee
>cords approach).
>
>Yesterday I = got a=20 letter from Russell saying they are four to six weeks
>behind on = orders=20 and that anyone scheduled to send their seat in should
>check = first to=20 find out the new schedule (so that they will not lose
>riding = time while=20 unnecessarily waiting).  Two things about this.  = For
>one,=20 Russell is responsible enough to do this and not keep=20 people
>guessing.  For the other, Russell has now confirmed = what=20 some listers
>have already have told us, that the schedule for = seat=20 building has
>fallen way=20 behind.
>
>--David
>
>--
>David L.=20 = Sigsbee           =             &= nbsp; =20 Office: 901 678-4688
>Academic Transfer and=20 Articulation        = Fax:   =20 901 678-5367
>The University of=20 = Memphis           =      =20 E-Mail: dsigsbee@memphis.edu
>402 Jones=20 = Hall           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;   =20 Home:   901 327-3848
>Memphis, TN =20 38152-6140
>
>
>--
>Visit the PC800 web page = at=20 <URL:http://www.pc800.net/>
>To unsubscribe from the list, = send=20 "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a
>message to=20 majordomo@hpc.uh.edu.
>To report problems, send mail to=20 pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu.
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mark Gilb" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: Got a Name !!!! Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:47:38 -0500 Darren, you're going about this all wrong. Now is the time to buy multiple bikes (4 or 5 maybe) and then, when the time comes, you simply sell the one that you like the least for a crib. Actually, if you buy enough bikes, you may not even have to worry about having children (sleeping alone in the garage is a very effective contraceptive). Mark Gilb Arnold, Mo. 95 PC800 FAUX Darren Sinofsky wrote .... > Speaking of names...we finally named our bike: The Crib. My wife thinks I'll > have to sell the bike in exchange for a baby's crib. Until then, I'll just be > hangin' on the crib.... -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KGray96057@aol.com for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:59:10 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: Mayer saddles To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Did a little research here. First- and sadly- Bill Mayer died May 13th following heart surgery. His sons are now handling the saddles. Next... As part of his deal with Russell, Mayer was forbidden from using his original day-long seat design- specifically, the spring-wing suspension dealie that created the phenomenal support. Russell got a hold of one of the Mayer seats to check on this. Mayer is using foam cells in their seat wings, and Russell is on record as stating that this seat isn't competitive with the original design- which Russell owns completely. I point out that the BMW and Concours sites that I explored to get this information are filled with praise for the Mayer saddles... They apparently work quite well, even with the foam suspension stuff. There was also a great deal of affection for the man's buisness practices and personality. It'd be interesting to see a direct comparison between the two day-long type saddles... Particularly since Russell is backed up in perpetuity. I wonder how many people ended up with the Corbin over the Russell simply because one could be gotten faster. KcG 95 PC- Xena -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Paco Solis" To: Subject: PC800: OLD PC photo Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:37:07 -0700 Got a question for the list! I was running through some old photos and came by a photo of a Dark Gray PC. What Year is that? Metalic Gray Top with a Darker Gray bottom. I have not seen that before this photo. Have I been living under a rock or is this a Japan only color. I took the photo in Ueno Japan a good 4.5 years ago. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ron Kimball To: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: Anyone still have their stock grips???? Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 23:49:45 -0400 On Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:59:20 -0400, xcontrol@erols.com wrote: >The person who sold it told me that the >stock grips were hard, and small, that's just what I want! The Progrip 713 is about as small, but a bit softer than stock. If what you have now are big foam grips you'll be really like the progrips. :-) By the way to the rest of you, I finally put my throttle rocker back on after changing to progrips, it doesn't slip on the progrips like it did on the stock grips, much better! Happy Trails, RK ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Baxter Birch" To: , Subject: PC800: Mobil 1 in Bikes Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:10:26 -0500 I have followed the "oil thread" for some time since I use 15w-50 Mobil = 1 in my '91 ST1100. I am a laboratory technician for Exxon in Baton = Rouge working w/ hydrocarbon resins and hydrogenation catalysts. When = Exxon joined forces w/ Mobil to become ExxonMobil I thought great, now I = can get the real story on how well Mobil 1 performs in my bike and what = I can expect from it. The only problem was that I didn't know who to = contact. While looking through a copy of the AMA Motorcyclist magazine, = I spotted an ad for Mobil 1 motorcycle oil w/ a gentleman posing on his = Harley. He was Mobil engineer Chuck Goldmann from Paulsboro, NJ. I = contacted Chuck and asked him questions concerning the 15w-50 and the = new motorcycle Mobil 1. In a nut shell, the following is what Chuck = told me. It is safe to run the Mobil 15w-50 in the ST. The only reason = not to would be due to clutch slippage, which none of which Chuck has = heard of. If by chance a person did experience some clutch silppage = Chuck recommended going w/ the Mobil motorcycle oil which did not = contain the friction reducers. (I did try Mobil 1 in my '78 Yamaha XS650 = and the clutch did slip but I attribute it to the 10+ years the bike sat = before I bought it and the film that was probably on the discs) I have = not experienced any of this in my ST. People have mentioned before that = the 15w-50 does not list "Energy Conserving" on the API label. The = reason for this is the higher viscosity (more zinc phosphates than the = 5w-30 they sell) will not qualify it for the designation. Chuck is = using the 20w-50 motorcycle oil in his Harley and he changes his oil at = 5000 miles.=20 Chuck also referred me to an engineer named Bill Maxwell who knows a lot = about the 15w-50 passenger car blend that most of us use. I was curious = about the changing oil requirements of the auto manufacturers and = whether or not this would affect our 15w-50 blend. Bill's answer was = that it would not. There are no longer any auto manufacturers = specifying 15w-50 for their products but Mobil will continue to produce = it. It is used primarily as a race oil by Indy and F1 teams. The = 15w-50 has plenty of pressure additives to protect our engines and = transmissions since it is designed to handle the extreme pressures that = the valve trains of these high output engines produce. Heat has little effect on this oil. It will eventually need to be = changed due to contamination resulting from the depletion of its = detergent. The oil's ability to lube will still be intact. Both guys = were very friendly and asked me to call them back if I had further = questions. I am by no means an expert or even consider myself very = knowledgable in the field. I hope this doesn't raise more issues, I = just wanted to share w/ the list this bit of information I was able to = come across.=20 Best regards, Baxter Birch Greenwell Springs, LA =20 friction=20 reducers. (I did try Mobil 1 in my '78 Yamaha XS650 and the clutch did = slip but=20 I attribute it to the 10+ years the bike sat before I bought it and the = film=20 that was probably on the discs)  I have not experienced any of this = in my=20 ST.  People have mentioned before that the 15w-50 does not list = "Energy=20 Conserving" on the API label.  The reason for this is the higher = viscosity=20 (more zinc phosphates than the 5w-30 they sell) will not qualify it for = the=20 designation.  Chuck is using the 20w-50 motorcycle oil in his = Harley and he=20 changes his oil at 5000 miles. 
 
Chuck also referred me to an engineer named Bill = Maxwell who=20 knows a lot about the 15w-50 passenger car blend that most of us = use.  I=20 was curious about the changing oil requirements of the auto = manufacturers and=20 whether or not this would affect our 15w-50 blend.  Bill's answer = was that=20 it would not.  There are no longer any auto manufacturers = specifying 15w-50=20 for their products but Mobil will continue to produce it.  It is = used=20 primarily as a race oil by Indy and F1 teams.  The 15w-50 has = plenty of=20 pressure additives to protect our engines and transmissions since it is = designed=20 to handle the extreme pressures that the valve trains of these high = output=20 engines produce.
 
Heat has little effect on this oil.  It will = eventually=20 need to be changed due to contamination resulting from the depletion of = its=20 detergent.  The oil's ability to lube will still be = intact.  Both=20 guys were very friendly and asked me to call them back if I had = further=20 questions.  I am by no means an expert or even consider myself = very=20 knowledgable in the field.  I hope this doesn't raise more = issues,=20 I just wanted to share w/ the list this bit of information I=20 was able to come across. 
 
Best regards,
 
Baxter Birch
Greenwell Springs, LA   =
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Paco Solis" To: , "Fenwick" Subject: PC800: OLD PC photo (The Gray One) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:43:26 -0700 If any are interested I posted some photos of the gray beast on my PC Site. She is a pretty one. http://morttis.home.netcom.com/pc800photos.htm Thanks Fenwick for the year! -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Fenwick To: Paco Solis Date: Thursday, July 06, 2000 8:40 PM Subject: Re: PC800: OLD PC photo >That is a 1991 or 1992 Japan only model. I'm sorely tempted to have my '90 >painted to look like one... > >Rich Fenwick >rfenwick@core.com >http://pc_800.tripod.com >1990 Honda PC800 >HRCA - HM725413 > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Paco Solis >To: >Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 10:37 PM >Subject: PC800: OLD PC photo > > >> Got a question for the list! >> >> I was running through some old photos and came by a >> photo of a Dark Gray PC. What Year is that? >> >> Metalic Gray Top with a Darker Gray bottom. >> I have not seen that before this photo. >> >> Have I been living under a rock or is this a Japan only color. >> I took the photo in Ueno Japan a good 4.5 years ago. >> >> >> -- >> Visit the PC800 web page at >> To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >> message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >> To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Fred Lamoureux" To: Subject: Re: PC800: More Questions about Oil Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 00:47:19 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "David Kelly" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 7:58 PM Subject: Re: PC800: More Questions about Oil > KC2ATQ@aol.com writes: > > I have been using Honda Oil 10-40 for years without any problems , > > Another good oil to consider is Mobil Delvac 1300, mostly considered a > truck gasoline/diesel oil. Seems to be only available in 15W40. Under > $6 per gallon. > I have been using both the Mobil, or I prefer the Shell Rotella T, for a long time in all my gas engines. There service ratings far exceed the normal oils. They are low in Ash 1.3%, have a Viscosity index of 155, Zinc is .135, Phosphorus is .120, Pour point is -13f, and Flash point is 414f. ROTELLA T Multigrade with Advanced Soot Control is recommended for all gasoline engines of U.S. or foreign manufacture in all types of service. It is especially suited to protecting the hard-working engines of pick-up trucks, sport-utility Vehicles (SUVs), and mini-vans. ROTELLA T Multigrade SAE 15W-40 with Advanced Soot Control contains a nominal 1.3% mass sulfated ash level, which is suitable for use in automotive type LPG- or LNG-fueled engines where ashless or low-ash oils are not specified by the manufacturer. Applications can include passenger cars, light trucks, farm equipment, fork lifts and assorted stationary equipment. Performance Features - General Shell ROTELLA T Multigrade SAE 15W-40 with Advanced Soot Control provides: · performance which exceeds all the requirements of today's severe, high performance, fuel efficient, low-emission diesel and gasoline engines · exceptional low temperature flow properties to help speed cold starts · enhanced oxidation stability · exceptional deposit control · exceptional control of valve train wear · superior engine protection and durability · reduced fuel consumption compared to single-grade oils · outstanding soot handling ability · extended oil drain capability What more could you want in any oil??? And at less than $6.00 a gallon you have to ask WHY the other wonder oils are sooooo much more. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Baxter Birch" To: "Baxter Birch" , , Subject: PC800: Re: ST1100: Mobil 1 in Bikes Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:55:37 -0500 P.S. I knew there was something else I was supposed to say. I asked Bill = Maxwell about the new 15w-50 label that advertised "Tri-synthetic". = Bill stated that the oil was re-formulated at that time but the results = were a very good oil was made even better in his words. I also = explained that some customers had believed to have noticed an increase = in oil consumption after the change and Bill stated that there is no = reason for an increase and that the consumption could come from another = reason or could have already been present and been noticed due to = awareness generated by the change. Hey, believe what you want, I'm not = passing judgment on any of you guys, I'm only posing the question and = reporting the answers. Hope to see some of y'all during WESTOC. Myself and three other friends = on ST's will be passing through on our way up to Glacier. Will probably = be staying in Cortez the night of the fifth. Baxter ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Baxter Birch=20 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu ; st1100@st1100.com=20 Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 11:10 PM Subject: ST1100: Mobil 1 in Bikes I have followed the "oil thread" for some time since I use 15w-50 = Mobil 1 in my '91 ST1100. I am a laboratory technician for Exxon in = Baton Rouge working w/ hydrocarbon resins and hydrogenation catalysts. = When Exxon joined forces w/ Mobil to become ExxonMobil I thought great, = now I can get the real story on how well Mobil 1 performs in my bike and = what I can expect from it. The only problem was that I didn't know who = to contact. While looking through a copy of the AMA Motorcyclist = magazine, I spotted an ad for Mobil 1 motorcycle oil w/ a gentleman = posing on his Harley. He was Mobil engineer Chuck Goldmann from = Paulsboro, NJ. I contacted Chuck and asked him questions concerning the = 15w-50 and the new motorcycle Mobil 1. In a nut shell, the following is = what Chuck told me. It is safe to run the Mobil 15w-50 in the ST. The = only reason not to would be due to clutch slippage, which none of which = Chuck has heard of. If by chance a person did experience some clutch = silppage Chuck recommended going w/ the Mobil motorcycle oil which did = not contain the friction reducers. (I did try Mobil 1 in my '78 Yamaha = XS650 and the clutch did slip but I attribute it to the 10+ years the = bike sat before I bought it and the film that was probably on the discs) = I have not experienced any of this in my ST. People have mentioned = before that the 15w-50 does not list "Energy Conserving" on the API = label. The reason for this is the higher viscosity (more zinc = phosphates than the 5w-30 they sell) will not qualify it for the = designation. Chuck is using the 20w-50 motorcycle oil in his Harley and = he changes his oil at 5000 miles.=20 Chuck also referred me to an engineer named Bill Maxwell who knows a = lot about the 15w-50 passenger car blend that most of us use. I was = curious about the changing oil requirements of the auto manufacturers = and whether or not this would affect our 15w-50 blend. Bill's answer = was that it would not. There are no longer any auto manufacturers = specifying 15w-50 for their products but Mobil will continue to produce = it. It is used primarily as a race oil by Indy and F1 teams. The = 15w-50 has plenty of pressure additives to protect our engines and = transmissions since it is designed to handle the extreme pressures that = the valve trains of these high output engines produce. =20 Heat has little effect on this oil. It will eventually need to be = changed due to contamination resulting from the depletion of its = detergent. The oil's ability to lube will still be intact. Both guys = were very friendly and asked me to call them back if I had further = questions. I am by no means an expert or even consider myself very = knowledgable in the field. I hope this doesn't raise more issues, I = just wanted to share w/ the list this bit of information I was able to = come across.=20 =20 Best regards, =20 Baxter Birch Greenwell Springs, LA =20 Glacier.  Will probably be staying in Cortez the night of the=20 fifth.
 
Baxter
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Baxter=20 Birch
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu ; st1100@st1100.com=20
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 = 11:10=20 PM
Subject: ST1100: Mobil 1 in = Bikes

I have followed the "oil thread" for some time = since I use=20 15w-50 Mobil 1 in my '91 ST1100.  I am a laboratory technician = for Exxon=20 in Baton Rouge working w/ hydrocarbon resins and hydrogenation=20 catalysts.  When Exxon joined forces w/ Mobil to become = ExxonMobil I=20 thought great, now I can get the real story on how well Mobil 1 = performs in my=20 bike and what I can expect from it.  The only problem was that I = didn't=20 know who to contact.  While looking through a copy of the AMA=20 Motorcyclist magazine, I spotted an ad for Mobil 1 motorcycle oil w/ a = gentleman posing on his Harley.  He was Mobil engineer Chuck = Goldmann=20 from Paulsboro, NJ.  I contacted Chuck and asked him questions = concerning=20 the 15w-50 and the new motorcycle Mobil 1.  In a nut shell, the = following=20 is what Chuck told me.  It is safe to run the Mobil 15w-50 in the = ST.  The only reason not to would be due to clutch slippage, = which none=20 of which Chuck has heard of.  If by chance a person did = experience some=20 clutch silppage Chuck recommended going w/ the Mobil motorcycle oil = which did=20 not contain the friction reducers. (I did try Mobil 1 in my '78 Yamaha = XS650=20 and the clutch did slip but I attribute it to the 10+ years the bike = sat=20 before I bought it and the film that was probably on the discs)  = I have=20 not experienced any of this in my ST.  People have mentioned = before that=20 the 15w-50 does not list "Energy Conserving" on the API label.  = The=20 reason for this is the higher viscosity (more zinc phosphates than the = 5w-30=20 they sell) will not qualify it for the designation.  Chuck is = using the=20 20w-50 motorcycle oil in his Harley and he changes his oil at 5000=20 miles. 
 
Chuck also referred me to an engineer named Bill = Maxwell who=20 knows a lot about the 15w-50 passenger car blend that most of us = use.  I=20 was curious about the changing oil requirements of the auto = manufacturers and=20 whether or not this would affect our 15w-50 blend.  Bill's answer = was=20 that it would not.  There are no longer any auto manufacturers = specifying=20 15w-50 for their products but Mobil will continue to produce it.  = It is=20 used primarily as a race oil by Indy and F1 teams.  The 15w-50 = has plenty=20 of pressure additives to protect our engines and transmissions since = it is=20 designed to handle the extreme pressures that the valve trains of = these high=20 output engines produce.
 
Heat has little effect on this oil.  It will = eventually=20 need to be changed due to contamination resulting from the depletion = of its=20 detergent.  The oil's ability to lube will still be = intact. =20 Both guys were very friendly and asked me to call them back if I = had=20 further questions.  I am by no means an expert or even = consider=20 myself very knowledgable in the field.  I hope this doesn't=20 raise more issues, I just wanted to share w/ the list = this bit=20 of information I was able to come across. 
 
Best regards,
 
Baxter Birch
Greenwell Springs, LA  =20
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 05:52:07 -0400 Subject: Re(2): PC800: Got a Name !!!! To: Dsinofsky@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "PC800 Rider" Dsinofsky@aol.com writes: >Speaking of names...we finally named our bike: The Crib. My wife thinks I'll >have to sell the bike in exchange for a baby's crib. Until then, I'll just be >hangin' on the crib.... > >Darren Sinofsky >1989 PC800 "The Crib" >Western Mass Crib? I thought that is what the trunk is for on a Pacific Coast! You can always add a side car to the PC800 for Pam and child too. No need to give up the fun things just to become parents. Tim Davies Seneca Falls, New York 13148 '98 Honda Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler" AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 08:25:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: Russell Seat Saga "Mark Gilb" writes: > "Bill Mayer has been building motorcycle seats since 1973, when he > developed the legendary Day-Long Saddle. He sold that business in the > 80's and agreed not to compete for a decade. Well, time's up and Bill > is back........" > > He is using the same techniques (appointment, photos, old seat pan) > that he used at Russell. According to the article, his guarantee is > also the same - 100% satisfaction guaranteed. (Guess a good idea never > really goes out of vogue). I have only second-hand information for this, but I was told that the agreement that Mayer reached with Russell also prohibited him from using use the transverse steel spring in his seats. The Mayer seats look about the same (butt wings sticking out the sides), but the wings are supported by foam, not by a spring, and are said not to be as effective. ====================================================================== Selden Deemer Atlanta, Georgia EMAIL: libssd@emory.edu ====================================================================== -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 08:38:15 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: , "Tim Macy" , Subject: Re: PC800: How many miles will they go? >----Original Message ---- >From: Stevntnnr@aol.com >>The only thing that bothers me is that it has almost 80,000 miles on it. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tim Macy" >I've said all along that the PC800 is the "Beemer" of the Honda line when it >comes to high mileage. BLEAH! Don't tell him that. After my own experiences owning a Big Money Waster and regularly going to the Bring More Wallet dealer, I DO NOT want a "Beemer". In my opinion and my experience, the PC is not like a Beemer, it is much better. best, -- Chris Norloff, Virginia '92 Honda ST1100 ABS STOC #1290 '90 Honda Pacific Coast (PC800) '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar "Soul-less Appliance" - a pejorative term for a motorcycle that doesn't break down. -- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Thfwsf@aol.com for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 10:08:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri Jul 07 10:08:14 2000 Subject: PC800: Side Cars To: Listers (West, Mid and East), I've always been curious about sidecars on a PC. I've looked at several websites (i.e. www.sidecar.com) and so forth. If anyone has some personal experience with sidecars (especially on a PC), please let me know. I would like to know more! Thanks, Tom Frase Tom Fraser -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:19:30 -0300 To: Pacific Coast List Posting From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: I've seen everything now! Paul Atkins wrote: >TALKING ON A CELL PHONE I do it fairly often in the city .. I have the beautiful Motorola 7860 digital with the earbud headset: http://commerce.motorola.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=21195 9&prmenbr=126&phone_cgrfnbr=1&zipcode= in auto-answer mode, with the headset it is GREAT for taking calls on the bike; the headset just comes on after one ring. With a fullface helmet, the mic is packed between the padding and your cheek which seems to work OK for quality -- unfortunately not good enough for my boss to be fooled into thinking I'm in my office. -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:26:26 -0300 To: From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: Re: How long? >I'm hoping that the "special occasion" involves something mechanical and not >just another night of the infamous "Mobil 1 Mud Wrestling" :-) It turns out that the oldest sport in the world is indeed Oil Wrestling; it's called "kirkpinar", consists of burly guys wearing only leather breeches, drenching each other in olive oil, and wrestling on wet grass, and been practiced in Turkey annually for the last 400 years. For the stronger-stomached amongst you ONLY, visit: http://www.ayilar.net/en/kirkpinar/40gallery.htm -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Shirley Gladin" To: Subject: PC800: Greetings from www.pc800.net Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 10:39:56 -0500 If anyone know of a PC800 for sale near Ohio please contact = shidla@mwweb.com thank you. Shirley 94 Black "Contessa" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tim Macy" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Contact (Was:Yankee Smuggler sighting) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 08:11:11 PDT ----Original Message Follows---- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PC800 Rider" Hey Scuffy, please rephrase your invitation to make it more motorcycle inviting. I'm not sure offering a motorcyclist a place to "crash" will draw much of a crowd to your Orygun B & B (or is that just B?). Sorry, Tim, I'm a child of the 60's! Gotta stop using that archaic phraseology. And the 2nd B is definitely for Breakfast for those that "stay" at the Macy Madhouse! Tim ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 08:46:04 -0700 (MST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Alex Vrenios Subject: PC800: PC800, Inc ? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (Pacific Coast) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 100 08:46:04 -0700 (MST) All, It occurs to me, after buying about five major items in the last month, that if we all started telling telephone order takers that we heard about their product on the PC800 mailing list, that we might build clout. When one of us has trouble with a seat not fitting we can carry a lot more weight as a group. When 10% of a headlight mdulator's customers are on this list, we might get a discount. The Valkyrie Owners Association, the Norton Commandos, and other small but tight groups may very well be aking advantage of their numbers already. (Not to mention the HSTA, AMA, etc.) Is there a recent count of our number? What do others think about this? I'm not proposing hats and tee shirts (yet) but we ought to have some untapped strengths here, and it should work to our advantage. -- Regards, Alex, kx9i 98 pc800 Kazesan -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Chuck Chiodini" To: Subject: PC800: Hoot Bike Tests (little PC content) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 10:43:42 -0500 WARNING! The following is my very biased opinions and probably do not reflect your views. I offer mine as something to stimulate thoughts and questions about your riding experiences. No need to comment on list, but I will be happy to answer any questions/comments via private e-mail, off list. When reading this, keep in mind I'm 5'8"@150 lbs and my riding style could be described as "aggresive sport touring" ;) Enjoy! Sparing no expense in quest for motorcycle knowledge, I attended all four days of the Honda Hoot in Asheville, North Carolina and stood in line every day starting at 6:30 a.m. to "demo ride" the following bikes. The following impressions are the results of these rides and my heavily biased opinions and riding style. Your mileage may vary! SPORT TOURING Honda ST1100: 1100 cc V-4 engine, shaft drive, ABS; I'm in LOVE! Smooth as silk V-4 engine that puts out gobs of turbine like power. Very quiet and deceptively smooth and fast. Feels like a locomotive on tracks through the corners. Best front brakes of any bike I have ever ridden! Very comfortable saddle, cockpit and seating. Felt a tad top heavy at low speeds but, hey, who goes slow on this bike? 65 mph @ 36000 rpm and I had two gears to go!! Slightly forward riding stance as compared to my Pacific Coast. I'm sure this bike can go 100 mph all day long! I've commited "motorcycle adultery" in my heart! Hide my wallet and checkbook!!!! Ducati ST4: 946 cc engine (same as the 916), chain drive; Gotta love that Italian engine snarl! Excellent power on the higher end of the rpm range. Handled a bit finicky until I started pushing the speed up in the corners. This bike is designed to be ridden fast or not at all. So- so brakes very cramped seating (my belly was laying on the tank, and I ain't fat) and most of my body weight was carried on my wrists. Fairly uncomfortable and the clutch rattle would drive me bonkers in a few days. Nothing like starting your day on a bright yellow Italian thoroughbred! Lets not talk about service or parts costs! BMW RT1100: 1100cc horizontally opposed twin, shaft drive, ABS; Big surprise here, I hated this bike! Could hardly wait to get off the thing. engine torque "twisted" the bike sideways when the throttle is blipped at idle. Engine very buzzy and lots of flat spots throughout the entire rpm range. Terrible electronic fuel injection mapping! Transmission felt like it was out of an old Harley, loud, notchy and clunky. We won't even start to go into the stupid design of it's switches. The location and operation of the basics, turn signals and horn, were so bad, I thought it a safety hazard. Power was uninspired and brakes were O.K. Electric windshield was a neat toy but once you got it in the correct position for you, what's the point? A hand operated adjustment would have been just as well. Can't believe with all the German engineering and money they want for this machine, it turned out seeming so "unfinished". You couldn't give me one! BMW K1200GS: 1200cc horizontal in-line four (130 hp), shaft drive, ABS. BMW guy insisted I test the big four cylinder "sport touring hot rod" out since I was comparing it to the Honda ST1100. Best engine of the bunch! Very smooth and lots of power. When you crank it open, I swear you would imagine a large block Chevy V-8 coming to life. Lots of fun! Felt like the Honda ST in corners but stiffer, harder to "flick". This bike is made for 130 mph sweepers! Lots of weight on my wrists, minimal wind protection. Transmission smoother than the RT but nothing as smooth as the Honda ST. Love the engine, you can keep the bike. DUAL SPORT Aprilia Pegasso 650: Single cylinder 650, chain drive; Uses same engine as the BMW 650 Funduro. Very anemic motor, felt like a 250 (really!). Bike otherwise was OK until I noticed that this "Dual Sport" had a thin plastic "bash plate" under the engine and the plastic coolant reservoir was mounted between the flexible plastic bash plate and the engine. What a joke! Would never consider this for anything more than pavement, and obviously, so did the manufacturer. Wrote this bike off as appealing to the "gentleman adventure touring" market. Bleahhh. Suzuki DRZ400S: 400cc single, chain drive; Now here is a serious "dual sport" about 80% dirt 20% street. Very tall and narrow (like a dirt bike should be). Excellent nimble handling almost like a trials bike. Great brakes (disc on both ends). Lots of trick exotic metal parts. You can tell this bike was designed to enjoy some serious off road fun. The LCD dash "computer" was too technical for me to figure out without the manual in the short time I was aboard. Excellent power delivery and handling. Only weak spot was high speed highway work. Anything after 65 mph was asking too much from this "dirt bike with lights". This would be "the tool" if most of my riding was in the dirt! Lofting the front tire was effortless! Wheee MISC. FUN Kawasaki W650: 650 cc Parallel twin, chain drive; A look alike for an old 60s Triumph but well thought out, not just a rip off replica. Has electric and kick start and started with one smooth "push" of the kick start lever. Smooth power, lots of torque. Handled freeway speed of 75 mph with plenty of power on tap. Excellent handling and brakes, love the gauges! Very good fit and finish, beautiful chrome work and paint. Just one fun bike that put a smile on my face for the rest of the day. Perfect for around town scooting and weekend trips. The 60s have come back and they're better now than then! Suzuki SV650: 650cc 90 degree V-twin, chain drive; The sleeper bike of the show! Rode this bike on a whim and fell head over heals in love! Can't say anything bad about it. Excellent smooth power delivery, great brakes and CRISP handling. The best compliment I could give any bike goes to this one, the bike disappears underneath you. You never have to think about the bike as in "I need more power now, I need to squeeze the brakes a touch harder or push on the bars to lean further" No way...you just think about the road and the bike does the rest! Could push the bike way too fast into the corners ad the bike responded with "Ho hum, is that all you can do?" It just seemed to be the perfect package (and inexpensive too!). If I had my pick of any bike to spend all day with on the Blue Ridge Parkway, this would be the one! Instruments, switches, controls, everything right where you need them (well, OK, the turn signal indicator was hard to see in direct sunlight) truly a "transparent bike". If I ever need a "canyon carver" this is THE bike for me! Go immediately to your nearest Suzuki dealer and RIDE this machine. A great bike for the money (or even twice the money!) I would take this bike over the Ducati and BMW in a heartbeat, it's that good! Ride like your life depends on it! Chuck Chiodini in Heber Springs, Arkansas '89 PC800 "Scooter" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tim Macy" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: How many miles will they go? Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 08:44:36 PDT ----Original Message Follows---- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Chris Norloff" ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tim Macy" >>I've said all along that the PC800 is the "Beemer" of the Honda >>line when it comes to high mileage. >>BLEAH! Don't tell him that. After my own experiences owning a Big >> >>Money Waster and regularly going to the Bring More Wallet dealer, I >> >>DO NOT want a "Beemer". In my opinion and my experience, the PC is >> >>not like a Beemer, it is much better. Hmmm, maybe I should have rephrased that...! BMW motorcycles have a reputation for being high mileage bikes, even with the non-motorcycling public. The Pacific Coast, in its relatively short time on the market, has become the Beemer's equal for handling the demands of high mileage riders--without the attendant high costs associated with the BMW line of motorcycles. Better? Tim "Scuffy" Macy Newberg, OR Stealthmobile - '94 Honda PC800 (118K) STealthmobile II - '99 Honda ST1100 ABS-II (4K) AMA #492485 HRCA #239441 HSTA #6030 RCMC STOC #1571 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HondaPC800Rider@aol.com for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:48:30 EDT Subject: PC800: My tall Hondaline windscreen revisited... To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Always known to jump the gun on offering my opinions, I now have a slightly different one on my new tall screen that I installed three days ago... It isn't all that bad... I made the mistake of judging its highway comfort on the interstate while following a few semis and SUV's. I took a longer ride last night w/o massive traffic and did notice that it is very comfortable with my HJC open face, almost serene, at least compared to my RF800 full face ... while my RF800 was silent on the VFR ... air is a mysterious thing, indeed. I can here the "hissing" of my front brake pads while they're being applied now ... and the engine is louder, but that is a relative term... I also carefully taped and spray painted the ignition lock an