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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 02:25:36 -0500
Subject: PC800: Decision Made...
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider)
For inquiring minds only...
I did both things this weekend, chores and riding. I gave the
leaves a quick mulch in the yard with my tractor and mulching
attachment on Friday after work (good thing I have headlights),
then I was off at 7:15 AM on Saturday to New Jersey to meet fellow
Pacific Coaster Jim T. so he could try my Corbin seat.
After a leisurely trip through PA on Saturday with a stop at the
Crayola Factory in Easton, PA and a fruitless stop at Kawasaki of
Phillipsburg, NJ looking for touring boots, I took a great route
along the Delaware River on the PA side down to Philadelphia then
over to Toms River, NJ. Great weather, after it warmed up from a
low of 38 degrees F in the morning, and spectacular foliage.
Sunday morning Jim, his friend John and I rode to Cape May, NJ for
lunch and a quick look at the beach and Victorian homes. Even
though John is a Winger we gave him the thrill of traveling with a
Pacific Coast escort ('95 & '98). There were dozens and dozens of
other motorcyclists enjoying the same trip today.
On the way back to Jim's home we saw a '90 PC800 going in the other
direction on the Garden State Parkway. Anyone on the list perhaps??
I got back about 1:30 AM on Monday in the cold and fog of New York
State. It was a wonderful weekend, a great chance to meet another
PC800 lister and make another new friend who shares the passion of
the Honda Pacific Coast. 1,018 miles round trip, but not a direct
route... some scenic, some lost (oops).
Tim Davies
Seneca Falls, New York 13148
'98 Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler"
AMA #688662
HSTA #8387
HRCA #HM100878
"The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!"
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 02:43:48 -0500
Subject: Re: PC800: STILL ANOTHER introduction
To: greatned@cascade.quik.com
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider)
greatned@cascade.quik.com writes:
>(snapshot: we're courting. I take her for a ride on my Suzuki
>GS850G. We
>go 35 miles, come home, take the helmets off. "How did you like
>it?" I
>asked, expectantly. "Not very well," she said, "except the curves
>and
>passing.")
>To that end, I offer Central Oregon Hospitality to any PC listers
>who wander
>this way.
>
>I really enjoy this group.
>Lee Barker
>94 Pacific Coast
>60 Cushman Eagle
I sense a trip to Deal's Gap, North Carolina/Tennessee for this
passenger, unless of course Linda has her own bike now:-)
Looks like we are getting quite a following of Pacific Coast owners
in the NW. Must be something about the way the PC800 cleans itself
in the rain that draws you guys up there to it:-)
Thanks for the hospitality offer. It goes both ways for the rest of
us I'm sure.
Tim Davies
Seneca Falls, New York 13148
'98 Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler"
AMA #688662
HSTA #8387
HRCA #HM100878
"The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!"
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From: "Russ Goff"
To:
Subject: Re: Re(2): PC800: Low side lay down
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:14:05 +0100
Tim Davies writes:
snippy
> mvnlan@cybrtyme.com writes:
> > 3. I will install a headlight modulator.
> >
> >Mike Nichols, on the mend
>
> I think these two additions, number one being the MOST important,
> are the best "no accident" insurance anyone can have on a
> motorcycle. I think the insurance companies should give discounts
> for them! I've had my headlight modulating for the past 20,000 of
> the 24,000 miles I have on the Yankee Smuggler and the effect is
> noticeable with oncoming drivers and people coming out of side
> roads.
Ok, so what is a headlight modulator? AM or FM ;-)
I think I can guess, but lets make sure.
The latest trend in the UK is for blue tinted headlight bulbs. Makes people
think you are the old bill. (police). I dont think I approve, but the police
cant find a law that says they are illegal. Oh dear, How sad, never mind.
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Studying hard for City & Guilds Motorcycle Repair and Servicing 1 & 2
'89 PC800
'81 CX500
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From: "Mike"
To: "pc800"
Subject: Fw: PC800: Windshield Dilemna
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 06:11:08 -0500
Hi Mike--
For the rest of us trying to sort out which windscreen and how high, it
would be helpful to know your height and your inseam length (note Leland's
post a little earlier).
Lee Barker
Thanks Lee...thought I had mentioned that, sorry. Six foot even with a
33 inch inseam here.
--Mike
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From: "MTW"
To: "PC800"
Subject: PC800: coolant leak
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 06:50:10 -0500
Well, for the past week I've noticed a coolant smelll when shut my PC off.
Then a small drop or two of coolant on the garage floor around the side
stand and then a small pool.
Thinking it was the waterpump I pulled some plastic off for confirmation but
I found evidence that the leak was coming from somewhere above the
waterpump, from behind the hard shroud the encases the cylinder heads. I
fear the worst, a head gasket, but I notice a coolant hose dissappearing
behind the shroud in the same area.
Any experiance in this area? I feel that headgasket failure in a '94 PC with
60K Is a little premature.
The good news is that the local shops should be in a lull this time of year,
the bad is my company was just bought out by Kellogg's and I may soon be out
of a job!!
Any insight is appriciated.
Mike Whited ' 94 PC 800
Columbus Ohio
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From: "Rutherford L. Le Blang"
To:
Subject: PC800: Is it legal?
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 07:05:43 -0500
Importance: Normal
Hi all,
Given an increase of night-time cycle accidents in and around New York City,
I added an additional light to the back of my back; the idea taken from a
sportster that rode by with something similar: I added a strobe light in the
back lens of the non-brake light. I picked up an alarm strobe from
RadioShack, ppulled out the guts, mounted the strobe in a smaller box and
adhered it in the tailgate light array. I hooked the whole thing up to
switched power and added an on/off switch under the fairing pocket. When it
is on, it shines down on the back tire and the ground underneath the bike.
At night, it makes the bike a lot more noticable. Note the bare strobe
light itself is not visible, just its effect.
Is this a legal configuration?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Additionally, I took this weekend to add airhorns to my PC as well. I wired
an additional switch under the regular horn switch that can turn the
airhorns on and off.
And, in preparation for my winter project, I added a set of Legacy 4"
two-way 60 watt speakers. Currently, they are behind the dash panels as I
have not decided how I want to make the cut outs yet. Radio selection is to
follow. Does the vibration on the PC prevent from using a CD-player Car
Stereo?
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. And by the way, you have to love
72 degree weather on Octboer 31st in New York State... did 200 miles through
Westchester and Putnam counties yesterday. Hope it lasts a bit longer.
Russ
'98 PC800 "Pacifica"
6780 miles.
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:21:14 -0400
To: "MTW" , "PC800"
From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay)
Subject: Re: PC800: coolant leak
Mike:
If you surf up the big PC Maint/Repair Database at
http://noc.dal.ca/~daniel/pc-maint/
and pull down
Show System: Cooling
and hit you'll get repair records for the cooling system,
including leaks.
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Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:21:29 -0400
To: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider), pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay)
Subject: Re: PC800: 24,000 Mile Service
Hello from Halifax, Tim!
I run the Big PC Repair and Maintenance database at
http://noc.dal.ca/~daniel/pc-maint/
it's for people to store their maint and repair records for their own use,
and for sharing that info with other PC riders. It would be great to have
your bike's purchase, maintenance and repair data in the system, since the
more bikes are there, the more useful the database is.
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:29:44 -0400
To: jpatton@neptune.ConnectI.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay)
Subject: Re: PC800: 89 stator question
If you have an '89 and are not sure that it has a good stator, I would
recommend recommend installing some kind of charging system indicator.
An ammeter is perfect but it's a little work to install. A voltage gauge
is perfect too. The PC800 mailing list archives say that Bryce Ulrich
installed a cute little device with a tricolor LED,
red for low voltage, yellow for marginal, and green for charge voltage,
which I think is perfect.
If you know *when* the charging system has failed, it is no big deal even
on a long trip. You can order a new stator (or voltage regulator) and
change your riding habits -- disconnect the headlight, ride during the day,
charge the battery in the evenings or swap batteries with a buddy each day
-- to conserve the battery.
Changing the stator is couple hours' work for a reasonably competent
mechanic including taking body panels off. Don't forget to also order the
cover gaskets.
The stator and voltage regulator do seem to fail together, based on data in
the PC Maint/Repair database -- pull up info on '89s and the Electrical
subsystem:
http://noc.dal.ca/~daniel/pc-maint/
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From: "Lee Barker"
To:
Subject: PC800: Lee's FIRST ride
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 06:16:32 -0800
Hi Friends--
Yes, we have leaves here in the Pacific Northwest. Needles for sure, but
leaves too. So there was some raking yesterday. And when the sun, by eye,
was at its apogee and the leaves were bagged, I determined it was time for a
short ride.
Getting out my scarred and scuffed leathers and putting them one was a
little difficult. Usually that ritual has been filled with expectant joy.
This time it was interwoven with anxiety, curiosity and a little fear.
Weather: brisk. 50's, probably, but clear. The kind of day when the
obscuring of the direct rays by an errant cloud makes a significant
difference.
The '95 started easily but idled roughly. The gauge registered no fuel, so
I didn't want to dally long in the driveway--it is a mile or better to the
nearest pump. Easily accomplished, however, on bumpy fast idle. I
determined I may have to use the PC Unique Remote Idle Adjust Feature
(PCURIAF?) soon. The first left turn was a bit tentative--there was a car
coming.
With tank filled and some fresh Winter Air in the tires I headed south on an
old, but used, highway. My loop took me then west a bit, back north, and
home the last 4 miles on Highway 126.
Reactions on board: This windshield isn't too low--it's waaaaaay too low
(5'11 1/2", 32" inseam). A taller screen is Clearly in View. And these
handlebars will be raised, and soon.
On warming, the motor purred beautifully. This was my first tankful of
regular gas, per list recommendation, and I saw perhaps a slight improvement
in smoothness over the expensive stuff (in the other bike).
Cars entering my road were given serious, intense attention. I appreciate
that the new spokey wheels and wheel covers make it pretty easy to detect
aberrant movement forward.
I got home a little chilly but not chilled, thanks to full face helmet, neck
wrap, and the big gloves. I parked it (still can't execute centerstandage,
due to the bad rib and worse shoulder), admired it, and went inside.
I darn near collapsed. I got the leathers off, back into weekend clothes,
and plopped onto the couch and I didn't care what happened next. I was
absolutely wiped out, totally exhausted. If the phone had rung or Ed
McMahon had knocked on the door, I would not have answered.
That lasted about an hour. Slowly my strength returned and I cooked dinner
for the returning Linda and answered the door for the little goblins,
Raggedy Anns and Ninjas of the neighborhood.
I spoke later with daughter LiAndra who is a chiropractic student and she
talked about the theory that all our cells have memory. It fits here!
She also commended me on the ride and called it a "normal part of healing."
That's it--thanks for listening.
Lee Barker
95 Pacific Coast
60 Cushman Eagle
51 Cushman Road King Tubular
"And in his brain, which is as dry as the remainder biscuit after a voyage,
he hath strange places cramm'd with observation, the which he vents in
mangled forms." Shakespeare, "As You Like It"
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:57:51 -0400
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay)
Subject: PC800: Crashed my '96
Howdy.
Exactly a month ago, dressed to kill on my '96, on the way to an opening of
a new bar in town, an 18-year-old driving her dad's Ford Escort home from
her shift at the Steak 'n' Stein rolled through a stopsign into my path.
It was one of those slow-motion scenes where I kept saying "she's going to
see me and stop, of course she's going to see me and stop." But she
didn't, and the Escort's ugly front driver's side fender caught my front
wheel and gave a mighty whack on my front right rollbar cover, I got tossed
off and skidded, my bike was left spinning (and running) in the middle of
the intersection and the teen emerged from her car howling "I didn't see
you oh God I didn't see you at all." No shit, Sherlock.
Damage? It ripped off all the front-right plastic and some skin on my
shoulders and elbows and leg, crushed the rad, broke the Hondaline Tall
windshield and a rib.
The police came, the fire truck came, the ambulance came. The paramedic
checked me and warned me I'd go into shock soon. So, after an hour of
signing forms and statements, I drove the bike, escorted by the cop and
bleeding coolant, the block and a half back to my house. My partner was
away on a biz trip and at that point I had to decide whether I was going to
crawl into bed and go into shock, or limp down to the bar in the Volvo and
have a beer or two and a painful laugh with friends. I chose the latter
and had a surprisingly good time and a few hours later limped back home
thinking smugly how well I had avoided shock. I very gingerly climbed into
bed, wincing at the scuffs and rib. And promptly went into shock and spent
the rest of the night shaking under a pile of blankets.
A month later, the rib's healed and I have lovely new pink skin on
shoulders and knees and elbows, on Saturday I put the new rad in
Since the bike is American it took weeks, not days, to get an estimate of
the damage and the blue book value, which is 8300$Cdn including taxes. The
repair estimate is FAR beyond 75% of that, which is the insurance company's
threshold. Salvage value is 1100$Cdn, so the bike was written off and I
had the option of taking the bluebook value, or taking the bluebook less
the salvage value, and keeping the bike.
I chose the latter. The estimator was EXTREMELY generous in his damage
estimate and recommended replacement of virtually every piece of plastic on
the whole bike, the front wheel (the rim did sustain a scratch) and the
Corbin seat which had no damage at all, plus every screw, clip and trim
piece that goes with the skin of the bike. The rad was the only mechanical
damage; my estimate for the new plastic is under 2500$Cdn.
On Saturday, in the parking lot of the cycle shop, I put the new rad on and
drove the bike home; it had gone to the cycle shop for the estimate
ungraciously in the back of a pickup truck. I drove it to work today with
all the front plastic (including headlight) off and the mirrors
rediculously in place. It is UGLY!! Just like that scene in Terminator
where Arnie gets caught an inferno and emerges with all his skin and
substantial muscle burned off, a robot skeleton.
I'll be calling Honda of Milpitas today or tomorrow for new plastic --
about six pieces I think, and their reflectors, decals, clips and trim, and
should have -her- new skin on, in about three weeks.
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From: "Michael D. Linkous"
To: "Pacific Coast"
Subject: PC800: muffler cover (89 v. 97)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:37:36 -0500
I may have mentioned this a few months ago, but cannot remember. My uncle
is interested in a left muffler cover (like the 89 PC0 for his 1997 model.
He keeps on and on about it so I thought I would investigate this matter and
possibly surprise him at Christmas...... about $60 for the chrome cover and
a bracket.
If there is someone out there who has access to both an older model PC and a
newer one... could you take a look and tell me if you think this thing would
fit the newer PC's. I have seen one from a distance on an 89 PC, but have
never looked up close at it. I see a mouting hole on my 97 PC, which I
think is where that bracket would bolt on at (I THINK?!?). I am thinking
that it will work unless the muffler design has changed over the years
(which I doubt)
18415-MR5-000 muffler cover $47approx.
18418-MR5-000 bracket $7approx.
Suggestions/ advice is appreciated.
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From: "A. E. (Andy) Cuthbert"
To:
Subject: PC800: Parts from a 1990 (Red) PC
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:40:57 -0800
I still have parts available. =20
Seats
Tires
Rear Rim with tire
Shocks
Engine (14,500 miles) Southern California only
Frame
Rear trunk lid (One hole for antenna and bad paint match) (RADIO IS NOT =
AVAILABLE)
Brakes (Front and Back)
Passenger Footrests
Driveshaft
Wiring Harness
Andy
|=20
| A. E. (Andy) Cuthbert
| HCI USA Distribution Companies, Inc.
| 56 Cape Cod=20
| Irvine, CA 92620-2711
| andycuth@fea.net =20
| acuthbert@hciww.com
| http://members.tripod.com/andy_cuthbert/andy_cuthbert.html
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From: "Dallas Thomason"
To: "PC800-List"
Subject: PC800: Suspension problems
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:57:20 -0500
My 89 PC has original forks and rear shock. I haven't had her but for a =
month and suspect little or no fluid in the front forks and a retired =
shock in the rear. I guess my complaint is "soft suspension" and a bit =
of wobbling at 65+ (that will make you pucker). I clicked the read =
shock adjuster forward to the top, but it had little to no affect.
Any ideas about the weight of the fluid for the front forks. I'm 5' 9" =
180.
_______________
Dallas Thomason
1989, PC800 "Perky Pearl"
Silver Spring, MD
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From: Ron Kimball
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Stoopid Question...
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 17:26:18 -0500
Are there ANY new PC800's available anywhere in the USA (as 1998 leftovers, of
course).
Take care,
Ron
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From: "Mike"
To: "pc800"
Subject: PC800: Headlight Modulator recommendations?
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 19:52:04 -0500
While the PC is at the dealer having a busted choke cable replaced, I'd like
to go ahead and put a modulator on the headlight. Any recommendations from
owners on brands that work particularly well with the PC800, ease of
installation, dependability? Evidently replacing the cable is a big deal,
while the bike is torn apart may as well get any mods done I have been
considering. Thanks in advance for the help!
--Mike
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 19:06:50 -0600
From: Ryan
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Lubing the choke cable
Does anyone have any tips on how to lube the choke
cable? I see it was listed as one of the things to do
for regular maitenence, but I didn't see where it said
how to do it. I tried it once when I got the bike
by just moving the rubber cap off the top under the
lever and spraying some stuff in there. Didn't seem
to help much, I don't think I got much in. My choke cable
is so hard to pull I think it might break. Thanks,
Ryan
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From: montyshaw@spamcop.net
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To: "Mike" , PC800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Headlight Modulator recommendations?
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 20:17:29 -0500
I have a Kriss modulator. Works great. Been in over 2 years
now with no problems (of course, now it won't work tomorrow
:o).
]Monty[
89 Sailor Moon
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From: Cyclenby@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:17:17 EST
Subject: Re: PC800: Pictures of speaker installations
To: russlb@technologist.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
I just finished weeks ago installing radio and decided on the pattern method.
Made a template so I kept the spacing even and the pattern professional as
possible. I went a little overboard on number of holes but it look good -
sorry no scanner to upload pictures...
R/Jim
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From: "Todd M. Paxman"
To: "Mike" , "pc800"
Subject: RE: PC800: Headlight Modulator recommendations?
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:18:16 -0800
Importance: Normal
I have the Kriss unit (can't remember the name-the expensive one, ~$130) and
love it. I got a buddy to ride behind me for a while last weekend, and it
really is noticeable! It doesn't look like it's obnoxiously "flashing," but
it makes the bulb look brighter (perception). It was a piece of cake to
install, since I had the windshield off. I have the light detector unit just
peeking out by the left rear-view mirror; the wires for it come out where
the turn signal wires come out and just bend forward. No complaints on
installation. Haven't hooked up the horn unit-I'm not sure that is really
that important. I think I'll do it when I put on air horns (soon, I hope).
Regards,
____________________
Todd M. Paxman
Ashworth Leininger Group
199 E. Thousand Oaks Blvd., Suite 201
Thousand Oaks, CA 91360
(805) 370-1474 (phone)
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Mike
Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 4:52 PM
To: pc800
Subject: PC800: Headlight Modulator recommendations?
While the PC is at the dealer having a busted choke cable replaced, I'd like
to go ahead and put a modulator on the headlight. Any recommendations from
owners on brands that work particularly well with the PC800, ease of
installation, dependability? Evidently replacing the cable is a big deal,
while the bike is torn apart may as well get any mods done I have been
considering. Thanks in advance for the help!
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:29:05 -0800 (PST)
From: John La
Subject: Re: PC800: Lubing the choke cable
To: ryan@e-etc.com
Cc: pclist
Ryan-
BE CAREFUL! I broke mine trying to lube it. It was
very hard to replace.
I still don't know how to lube inside the housing, but
you could eaisly spray WD40 on the parts where it
connects to the carb. Visible after removing the air
filter housing.
John
--- Ryan wrote:
> Does anyone have any tips on how to lube the choke
> cable? I see it was listed as one of the things to
> do
> for regular maitenence, but I didn't see where it
> said
> how to do it. I tried it once when I got the bike
> by just moving the rubber cap off the top under the
> lever and spraying some stuff in there. Didn't seem
> to help much, I don't think I got much in. My choke
> cable
> is so hard to pull I think it might break. Thanks,
>
> Ryan
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:02:30 -0500
From: "Chris Norloff"
To: "List-PC800"
Subject: PC800: More Attention-Getting Than a Harley
I was parking in the underground garage at work yesterday, at the end of a long line of bikes that were ridden in that day. I pulled in next to a new Harley, the one with black and chrome (you know the one).
A guy walked up, stood on the far side of the Harley from me, and said "Nice bike, is it new?" I thought it was rather odd that he was asking me about the other bike, but I answered 'cause I'd talked with the Harley owner himself.
Then I realized he was talking about MY bike.
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From: "Desmond Cockburn"
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Is it legal?/Strobe on the rear.
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 18:49:42 PST
>From: "Rutherford L. Le Blang"
I picked up an alarm strobe from RadioShack........
Russ and the gang,
I was at Pep Boys this past Saturday looking for T handled hex wrenches and
saw a strobe light thingy that was made to hook to backup lights.
Apparently the strobe kicks in when the backup lights come on as it has a
relay box of some sort but also has a switch to just flick it on. Came in
blue or white for $12.95, one strobe, relay and flip switch.
Musing upon this on the way home I wondered why one couldn't just fit this
into the center section of the rear light bar and hook it into the brake
light system ? Yes, it would probably cause some cop to crap a plaid rabbit
but maybe the first offense could be chalked up to ignorance. I may just
give this a try this winter, for want of anything better to do. Probably
use the blue one mounted either behind the light bar or inside a plastic
tube over the license plate. Oh, by the way, Sears has this really neat set
of cushioned handled hex wrenches, metric or regular for 20 bucks.
Des,
95 PC, Dream Weaver
Okmulgee, Ok.
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From: "SLSwenson"
To: "PC800 List"
Subject: PC800: Stator from Rick's Motorcycle Ent.
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 19:07:20 -0800
Thanks to the list for all the help some time ago with a failed stator on my
'89. I purchased a rebuilt stator from Rick's Motorcycle Enterprises of
Plaistow, NH. I was not very happy with what ensued, so I thought I'd let
you folks on the PC800 list know. I wrote to Rick about this a month ago
and did not receive any response.
The rebuilt stator from Rick's cost about $125, or about $50 off the best
price I could find on a new Honda part. The free mail-back process for my
old core seemed to work well, too.
Unfortunately, the stator had a few problems that I think the PC800 list
should know about.
1) The stator had the wrong connector on the end of the harness. The '89
Pacific Coast takes a 5-prong connector. The one Rick's sent had 3-prongs
(for post-89 bikes). After a telephone call to Rick's, I was able to adapt
by prying the connector off the new one and attaching the old one off my
bike. I was glad for the help from Rick's, but they should have sent the
right part to begin with. I missed a weekend ride because of this.
2) One of the three boltholes through the stator was partially filled with a
substance. The material was very hard and had to be reamed out before I
could attach the stator to the bike. The substance looked like the same
material that the coil is dipped in. Another wasted evening in the garage.
3) The wiring harness was too short. I had to relocate my voltage regulator
in order to plug in the stator. Now the regulator does not sit flat against
the frame rail - possible loss of a heat sink.?!
4) One of the copper spade lugs in the connector had a poor connection to
its wire. It actually pulled apart inside the connector. This could have
been a result of the process in Problem #1, above, but never the less it
took awhile to track down, and kept me off my bike for yet another weekend.
Everything appears fine now. The stator is charging correctly. But in the
final analysis, I would have been better off, and done a lot more riding, if
I'd just purchased the right part for $50 more from Honda. Midwest Action
Cycle (see the back of the magazines) had the best price, beating the big
mail order places as well as Honda of Milpitas. YMMV.
I'm off list now, but would be glad to answer any specific questions about
the stator debacle.
Scott Swenson
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From: "Lee Barker"
To: ,
Subject: Re: PC800: Lubing the choke cable
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:33:02 -0800
A good question, Ryan, and I look forward to input from the longtimers.
In olden days we sprayed Chain Lube, via a hypodermic turned funnel, and let
it trickle into the thing. Takes many many shots, and it's best if the
cable is hung up so it is all vertical.
Mine choke, too, is hard to lift (and I detest the design of the lever) so I
think you are onto some good preventive maintenance.
Lee Barker
Oregon
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From: Ryan
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Monday, November 01, 1999 5:07 PM
Subject: PC800: Lubing the choke cable
>Does anyone have any tips on how to lube the choke
>cable? I see it was listed as one of the things to do
>for regular maitenence, but I didn't see where it said
>how to do it. I tried it once when I got the bike
>by just moving the rubber cap off the top under the
>lever and spraying some stuff in there. Didn't seem
>to help much, I don't think I got much in. My choke cable
>is so hard to pull I think it might break. Thanks,
>
>Ryan
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From: "Will Edwards"
To: ,
Subject: Re: PC800: Lubing the choke cable
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 02:29:32 -0800
I don't if this will work on the PC cable, but here is how I lube
cables on other bikes (brake & clutch).
Disconnect the cable end so it is loose. Obtain a good water balloon
(their usually stronger) and fill it half way with your favorite lube
stuff. Insert the top end of the loose cable into the balloon and
then secure it with several rubber bands. Next, wrap the balloon
completely with a old towel and gently squeeze the balloon while
working the free end of the cable back and forth inside the balloon.
This will work the oil down through the cable housing. If you don't
wrap the balloon in a towel and the balloon bursts, you will ruin your
favorite Moto Guzzi shirt that you might be wearing at the time (don't
asked how I know this).
Will Edwards
Washington State
96 Honda PC800
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From: Ryan
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Monday, November 01, 1999 5:07 PM
Subject: PC800: Lubing the choke cable
>Does anyone have any tips on how to lube the choke
>cable? I see it was listed as one of the things to do
>for regular maitenence, but I didn't see where it said
>how to do it. I tried it once when I got the bike
>by just moving the rubber cap off the top under the
>lever and spraying some stuff in there. Didn't seem
>to help much, I don't think I got much in. My choke cable
>is so hard to pull I think it might break. Thanks,
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From: "Will Edwards"
To: "PC800"
Subject: PC800: Fw: SOUND RIDER! - November 99 Issue
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 03:04:26 -0800
For you folks living in Washington, this might be of interest. They
didn't list their web site, so I will:
http://www.soundrider.com/index1.htm
Will Edwards
Washington State
96 Honda PC800
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From: Mixed Media
To: rstar@aa.net
Date: Monday, November 01, 1999 10:34 PM
Subject: SOUND RIDER! - November 99 Issue
>Greetings,
>
>The November issue of Sound Rider! is loaded with new features for
Puget Sound motorcyclists.
>
>This month's features include:
>* How we saved 40% on our motorcycle insurance
>* Steve Giblin, a restoration specialist in Redmond
>* How to rent a Harley in Hawaii
>* Profile on the Washington State BMW Riders Club
>* A glimpse at the upcoming International Motorcycle Show (visit us
at booth #1302)
>
>November events appear sparse this month, but if you have one we have
not listed be sure to submit it on our Events page.
>
>Cascade BMW and Recreational Motorsports Company add some excellent
used bikes to the classifieds page this month so be sure to check it
out.
>
>If you've got a story Sound Rider! should print be sure to submit
your 500 word feature to us along with 4-6 JPG or GIF images.
>
>Please take a moment to forward this note to 3 or more of your riding
pals and let them know about the only Puget Sound motorcycle e-zine on
the web. As our archive grows our offering becomes a greater resource
to riders all over the area. We continue to offer our free
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>
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near Greenlake. If you're a dealer and would like advertising
information please let us know. It is through this type of support we
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>
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>
>Tom Mehren/Publisher
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>
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From: "MTW"
To: "Lee Barker" , ,
Subject: Re: PC800: Lubing the choke cable
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 06:51:30 -0500
You can tighten or loosen the choke cable pull by turning the rubber boot
the runs into in by the handle
>
>Mine choke, too, is hard to lift (and I detest the design of the lever) so
I
>think you are onto some good preventive maintenance.
Mike Whited
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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 07:05:26 -0500
From: tree@westvirginia.net (Talago, Stan)
To: Will Edwards
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Lubing the choke cable
Hey Listers.....
The absolute best way to lube any cable is with a cable luber. (I forget
the real name of said item) It clamps on to one end of the cable. You
insert the end of a tube that is connected to the lube of your choice.
Squirt for a few seconds. Disconnect the assembly that you have just made.
Now you have a perfectly lubed cable. No balloons, no gravity feed, no
cursing.
Can be picked up at any better bike shop for under 10.00.
your welcome....... :)
Stan
Will Edwards wrote:
> I don't if this will work on the PC cable, but here is how I lube
> cables on other bikes (brake & clutch).
> Disconnect the cable end so it is loose. Obtain a good water balloon
> (their usually stronger) and fill it half way with your favorite lube
> stuff. Insert the top end of the loose cable into the balloon and
> then secure it with several rubber bands. Next, wrap the balloon
> completely with a old towel and gently squeeze the balloon while
> working the free end of the cable back and forth inside the balloon.
> This will work the oil down through the cable housing. If you don't
> wrap the balloon in a towel and the balloon bursts, you will ruin your
> favorite Moto Guzzi shirt that you might be wearing at the time (don't
> asked how I know this).
>
> Will Edwards
> Washington State
> 96 Honda PC800
> Focus your eyes to where you want to be,
> Not to where you are afraid of falling to....
> .
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan
> To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
> Date: Monday, November 01, 1999 5:07 PM
> Subject: PC800: Lubing the choke cable
>
> >Does anyone have any tips on how to lube the choke
> >cable? I see it was listed as one of the things to do
> >for regular maitenence, but I didn't see where it said
> >how to do it. I tried it once when I got the bike
> >by just moving the rubber cap off the top under the
> >lever and spraying some stuff in there. Didn't seem
> >to help much, I don't think I got much in. My choke cable
> >is so hard to pull I think it might break. Thanks,
>
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:43:12 -0500
To: Ron Kimball
From: Francois Saint Laurent
Subject: Re: PC800: Stoopid Question...
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
At 5:26 PM -0500 11/1/99, Ron Kimball wrote:
>Are there ANY new PC800's available anywhere in the USA (as 1998 leftovers, of
>course).
>
>Take care,
>Ron
Hi Ron.
If you call American Honda in CA at 310-783-2000 they should be able
to do a computer search for you and tell you which dealers still have
left over inventory, if any.
Good luck, and let us know the results.
fsl :-)
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:59:30 -0500
From: "Chris Norloff"
To: "List-PC800"
Subject: Re: PC800: Is it legal?
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From: "Rutherford L. Le Blang"
>I added a strobe light in the
>back lens of the non-brake light....When it
>is on, it shines down on the back tire and the ground underneath the bike.
>At night, it makes the bike a lot more noticable. Note the bare strobe
>light itself is not visible, just its effect.
>
>Is this a legal configuration?
In most states, anything not expressly allowed is considered illegal. In practical terms, if the original equipment is all there (sounds like it is) and you're not adding "attitude" accessories like neon under-vehicle lighting, then you'll probably be fine.
Hyperlights are another way to attract attention to braking (http://www.mgaccess.com/)
Chris Norloff
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:03:31 -0500
From: "Chris Norloff"
To: ,
Subject: Re: PC800: Lubing the choke cable
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From: Ryan
>My choke cable
>is so hard to pull I think it might break.
There's a threaded adjuster on the upper end of the main cable, just below the actuating lever. If that's too tight, you can loosen it so the choke works easier - that's what mine needed.
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:09:08 -0500
From: "Chris Norloff"
To:
Subject: Re: PC800: Lubing the choke cable
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From: "Lee Barker"
>In olden days we sprayed Chain Lube, via a hypodermic turned funnel, and let
>it trickle into the thing.
I wouldn't use that now. Heavy, sticky chain lube intended to grease a chain and stay on in rainstorms is not the best lube for a small cable inside a housing. I use WD-40, or the Tri-Flow/Tri-flon oil with Teflon in it.
Chris Norloff
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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 09:55:47 -0500
From: cen13504
To: pc list
Subject: PC800: helmets
List members:
I just received my new Nolan N-100 helmet. Thanks Steve....
My first question is, does the chin strap relax. The buckle presses on
my wind pipe. If I look down slightly it almost gags me. I hope this
relaxes. ?
The red color looks great with the Candy Glory Red. Now I match like
Tim. :o)
Kenneth Winter
East TN
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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 10:02:11 -0500
Subject: Re: PC800: helmets
To: KLW@centurytel.net
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider)
KLW@centurytel.net writes:
>List members:
>
>I just received my new Nolan N-100 helmet. Thanks Steve....
>My first question is, does the chin strap relax. The buckle
>presses on
>my wind pipe. If I look down slightly it almost gags me. I hope
>this
>relaxes. ?
>
>The red color looks great with the Candy Glory Red. Now I match
>like
>Tim. :o)
>
>
>Kenneth Winter
>East TN
We're twins now:-)
The chin strap does relax, but I can't tell you how many miles it
will take. I've had mine for about 23,000 miles. I remember mine
doing the same thing, but now I don't notice it. Of course I talk
like a duck now too!
Tim Davies
Seneca Falls, New York 13148
'98 Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler"
AMA #688662
HSTA #8387
HRCA #HM100878
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:14:02 -0500
To: cen13504
From: Francois Saint Laurent
Subject: Re: PC800: helmets
Cc: pc list
At 9:55 AM -0500 11/2/99, Kenneth Winter wrote:
>
>The red color looks great with the Candy Glory Red. Now I match like
>Tim. :o)
>
Oh great! I was already having a tough time telling you guys apart,
now this is going to make it a lot more difficult.
hee hee hee..
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:23:52 -0800 (PST)
From: John Scalisi
Subject: PC800: I'm Back
To: PC800 List
Hey gang! I'm finally back on the list. I signed off the list back in
June to go on vacation and never got back on! While I was away on
vacation, it was announced that my department at work was being moved
from Connecticut to Pennsylvania. So once I got back from vacation the
process of deciding to take the transfer and move or stay in
Connecticut, take a severance package and look for a job began. To
make a long story short, I took the transfer. I now live in Limerick,
PA and work in Gulph Mills, PA which is all in the Philadelphia area.
It's good to be back. How do I update the PC800 registry with my new
info? Any other PC'ers in my area?
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:32:05 -0800 (PST)
From: John Scalisi
Subject: PC800: Damage
To: PC800 List
Well with the move to PA, the movers did some damage to my 1990 PC800.
One thing was the housing on the right mirror/turn signal assembly got
cracked. I always thought you had to buy the whole mirror/turn signal
assembly if it broke but the dealer here is saying I can just order the
housing. Anybody been able to do the same?
The other damage was minor, just paint being rubbed off in a few spots.
I had the dealer quote me the cost of all new panels for the paint
damaged ones since the moving company caused it. If they pay, I'll
replace the old ones and keep them for spares.
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:56:36 -0800 (PST)
From: John Scalisi
Subject: PC800: Uncapped Vaccum & Gas Lines
To: PC800 List
I recently changed my air filter and completely removed the filter
housing to clean it when I did. When done, I started noticing the
smell of gas during and after riding. I pulled the cover again and
found the auto gas valve mounted on the rear of the air filter housing
had a nipple pointing straight down that was uncapped and dripping.
There does not seem to be any unconnected hose that fell off. Does
anyone know what that nipple is for? Was it just capped and maybe the
cap fell off when I pulled the air filter housing and I didn't notice
it? The gas line from the fuel pump and the feed lines to the carbs
are all hooked up correctly to the nipples on the back and sides of the
auto fuel valve. The service manual doesn't even reference a nipple on
the bottom of the auto fuel valve. The local honda dealer here didn't
know about it either. He didn't see it referenced anywhere either.
HELP! I have it temporarily plugged with a piece of clamped off tubing
for now but I want to make sure that it shouldn't be connected
somewhere. This nipple points straight down to the ground from the
bottom of the auto fuel valve. The bike seems to run fine with it
clamped off. Any ideas?
Another mystery is an uncapped vaccum tube which protrudes from the
rear base of the carbs pointing towards the rear of the bike. It
points towards the front of the black housing that surrounds the gas
cap/fill area. There are two small lines connected to the sides of the
tube, but the back of the tube is just open! With the bike running, if
I put my finger over the openning, the bike idles down. Again, the
service manual shows nothing attached to the back of the tube, or that
it has a cap. It appears in the service manual, that the rear of the
tube isn't open. Any ideas? Any body know what their's looks like?
Is it connected to something or capped? Help! Right now, I'm riding
with it open. Bike seems to idle high when idling.
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:07:44 -0500
To: John Scalisi
From: Francois Saint Laurent
Subject: Re: PC800: I'm Back
Cc: PC800 List
At 8:23 AM -0800 11/2/99, John Scalisi wrote:
>Hey gang! I'm finally back on the list. I signed off the list back in
>June to go on vacation and never got back on!
Welcome back John. Congrats on the new relocation but I guess this
means you won't be going to Super Sunday at the Marcus Dairy!!!!!
I'll let you know if I head down to PA, so we can get together and go
riding again....
bye for now,
fsl :-)
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From: Peter Noeth
To: PC800 List
Subject: RE: PC800: Uncapped Vaccum & Gas Lines
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:57:23 -0800
If the nipple is relatively short, and shows no signs of any hose ever being
there (clean or discolored area) then it is the atmospheric vent for the auto
petcock valve. Since the vacuum hose from the engine sucks on one side of a
diaphram valve to open it, the other side needs a source of atmospheric pressure
to allow the diaphram to move. This diaphram is connected by a small shaft to
the actual valve.
I haven't studied the one on the PC, but my '86 Nighthawk had a similiar device
and I had to take it apart to clean it once. It wasn't documented in the manual
either.
If you have gas dripping out of this vent (if it is the vent we are talking
about), then you may have a punctured diaphram in the valve or a bad o-ring,
since no fluid should get to this point. There should be three hoses on the
valve, Gas In, Gas Out and a smaller vacuum line to somewhere on one of the
carbs.
Since you mention you have an unconnected vacuum line on the base of the carbs,
might this go to the auto petcock valve?
Regards,
Peter Noeth || KE6ZJA || Rocklin, CA || Fireball, '96 w/ 13k
> ----------
> From: John Scalisi
> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 8:56 AM
> To: PC800 List
> Subject: PC800: Uncapped Vaccum & Gas Lines
>
> I recently changed my air filter and completely removed the filter
> housing to clean it when I did. When done, I started noticing the
> smell of gas during and after riding. I pulled the cover again and
> found the auto gas valve mounted on the rear of the air filter housing
> had a nipple pointing straight down that was uncapped and dripping.
> There does not seem to be any unconnected hose that fell off. Does
> anyone know what that nipple is for? Was it just capped and maybe the
> cap fell off when I pulled the air filter housing and I didn't notice
> it? The gas line from the fuel pump and the feed lines to the carbs
> are all hooked up correctly to the nipples on the back and sides of the
> auto fuel valve. The service manual doesn't even reference a nipple on
> the bottom of the auto fuel valve. The local honda dealer here didn't
> know about it either. He didn't see it referenced anywhere either.
> HELP! I have it temporarily plugged with a piece of clamped off tubing
> for now but I want to make sure that it shouldn't be connected
> somewhere. This nipple points straight down to the ground from the
> bottom of the auto fuel valve. The bike seems to run fine with it
> clamped off. Any ideas?
>
> Another mystery is an uncapped vaccum tube which protrudes from the
> rear base of the carbs pointing towards the rear of the bike. It
> points towards the front of the black housing that surrounds the gas
> cap/fill area. There are two small lines connected to the sides of the
> tube, but the back of the tube is just open! With the bike running, if
> I put my finger over the openning, the bike idles down. Again, the
> service manual shows nothing attached to the back of the tube, or that
> it has a cap. It appears in the service manual, that the rear of the
> tube isn't open. Any ideas? Any body know what their's looks like?
> Is it connected to something or capped? Help! Right now, I'm riding
> with it open. Bike seems to idle high when idling.
>
>
>
>
>
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From: Peter Noeth
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: RE: PC800: Pictures of speaker installations
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:30:59 -0800
Russ,
I created a drilling template using AutoCAD (a drafting program) and
perforated the speaker area on the dash with holes. There are 169 1/8" holes in
a grid pattern rotated 45 degrees, in each speaker area of the dash, although
after drilling, I should have omitted one that came too close to the edge on
each side. I modified the template, incase I ever had to do it again.
I then glued some black nylon mesh grille cloth (like window screen, but with
smaller openings) to the back of the dash piece to help cut down on anything
getting in from outside. It seems to work fine, and only reduces the sound
output ever so slightly, like a factory speaker cover of like design would. More
changing the tone of the music than the volume, which can easily be adjusted for
with the radio's tone controls (I loose a little of the trebble end).
This took about 3 careful hours at the drill press, so as not to tear or crack
the plastic while drilling the holes. I might re-drill the holes a little bigger
in the future.
I submitted a picture of the cover to Emile's PC800 picture site this morning
( http://go.to/pc800 ), but I don't know how long it will take him to put it on
the page.
Regards,
Peter Noeth || KE6ZJA || Rocklin, CA || Fireball, '96 w/ 13k
> ----------
> From: Rutherford L. Le Blang
> Reply To: russlb@technologist.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 30, 1999 4:53 AM
> To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
> Subject: PC800: Pictures of speaker installations
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm in the process of adding speakers and a radio system to my PC800 and I'm
> trying to figure out what the best way, aesthetically, to install the
> grilles: Either cuting a circular hole in the panels on either side, or
> cuting out the entire panel, etc. Does anyone have pictures of their
> speaker installs they can share?
>
> aTdHvAaNnKcSe <-- thanks in advance
>
> Russ
> '98 PC800 "Pacifica"
>
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From: "Bill & Helen Jarrells"
To: "PC800 List"
Subject: PC800: Final Drive Leak
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:32:35 -0500
I own a 1989 PC and my Final Drive is leaking real bad. I am tearing =
the thing down today to see if I can find a faulty seal or anything. =
Any info on this? Anybody had the same problem? Is there something =
that could save me some troubleshooting time?
Thanks in advance,
Bill R. Jarrells
Columbus, Ohio
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From: KC2ATQ@aol.com
for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:20:15 -0500 (EST)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:20:14 EST
Subject: PC800: dur a lube
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Has any one on the list ever tried to add "extras" to the oil such as
Duralube ?? I have always changed the oil between 2500 and 3000, but as the
miles add on I was thinking. I put Duralube in my car, 1991 Honda CRX, which
has over 260,000 miles on it and still running strong. Any coments ???
Ride Safe and Often,
JIM T
Beachwood, NJ
1996 PC 800
40K
Givi E460
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From: "Clay & Shelly Leihy"
To: "PC800 Mailing List"
Subject: Re: PC800: Headlight Modulator recommendations?
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:07:33 -0500
I've been riding for a couple of months now with the Kisan Pathblazer. Very
simple to install, just plugs in between the headlamp and harness, then
drill a small hole for mounting the light sensor. (I put mine in one of the
covers under the handlebar.) Bought it at Montgomeryville (PA) Cycle Center,
which has them in stock.
Clay in NJ
89 PC800 "White Silk"
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From: Mike
To: pc800
Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 7:52 PM
Subject: PC800: Headlight Modulator recommendations?
> While the PC is at the dealer having a busted choke cable replaced, I'd
like
> to go ahead and put a modulator on the headlight. Any recommendations from
> owners on brands that work particularly well with the PC800, ease of
> installation, dependability? Evidently replacing the cable is a big deal,
> while the bike is torn apart may as well get any mods done I have been
> considering. Thanks in advance for the help!
>
> --Mike
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To: KC2ATQ@aol.com
cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: David Kelly
Subject: Re: PC800: dur a lube
of "Tue, 02 Nov 1999 18:20:14 EST." <0.75bc77b0.2550cbae@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 18:56:18 -0600
KC2ATQ@aol.com writes:
> Has any one on the list ever tried to add "extras" to the oil such as
> Duralube ?? I have always changed the oil between 2500 and 3000, but as the
> miles add on I was thinking. I put Duralube in my car, 1991 Honda CRX, which
> has over 260,000 miles on it and still running strong. Any coments ???
IMHO, without Duralube your CRX would go twice as far as with.
With Duralube your PC800 would likely roll over and die immediately.
Either use Mobil-1 or a good brand of non-Pennsylvania dino juice.
Change at engine manufacturer's recommended intervals. Don't use junk
oil filters. And 300k miles is about low average for Japanese or German
engine, high for Detroit.
If Duralube, Slick-50, STP, etc, did any real good, then the engine
manufacturers would happily be endorsing the product (much like Porsche
and Corvette endorse Mobil-1) else selling same with their own name on
it.
Not all snake oil currently contains Teflon(tm) but most did when they
hit the market. Teflon is a fluorocarbon. Fluorine. Fluoride. Get it? Is
reputed to break down under high temperatures into HFl, hydrofluoric
(I'm not a chemist, any help here Tony?) acid. Worse than HCl,
hydrochloric acid. And the place this breakdown is most likely to happen
is in the top end of your cylinder.
A little serendipity applies as it has been considered that a little
acid in the cylinder top end might not be all that bad as a glazed
cylinder wall might not be sealing very well. A little acid etch could
actually improve the adhesion of a protective oil film. And improve
compression by reducing blow-by.
In motorcycle applications a little Teflon in the oil is all it takes
to keep the motorcycle from leaving your driveway. Teflon loves wet
clutches.
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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 19:16:01 -0600
From: Tony Miller
To: David Kelly
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: dur a lube
Well, I definitely agree with David. I'm not putting anything in my PC
engine but Mobil 1.
Dave, I'm not an organic chemistry guy. I have no idea what happens to
teflon inside an engine. But I doubt if it helps any. Probably just
clogs the oil filter.
Tony
David Kelly wrote:
>
> KC2ATQ@aol.com writes:
> > Has any one on the list ever tried to add "extras" to the oil such as
> > Duralube ?? I have always changed the oil between 2500 and 3000, but as the
> > miles add on I was thinking. I put Duralube in my car, 1991 Honda CRX, which
> > has over 260,000 miles on it and still running strong. Any coments ???
>
> IMHO, without Duralube your CRX would go twice as far as with.
>
> With Duralube your PC800 would likely roll over and die immediately.
>
> Either use Mobil-1 or a good brand of non-Pennsylvania dino juice.
> Change at engine manufacturer's recommended intervals. Don't use junk
> oil filters. And 300k miles is about low average for Japanese or German
> engine, high for Detroit.
>
> If Duralube, Slick-50, STP, etc, did any real good, then the engine
> manufacturers would happily be endorsing the product (much like Porsche
> and Corvette endorse Mobil-1) else selling same with their own name on
> it.
>
> Not all snake oil currently contains Teflon(tm) but most did when they
> hit the market. Teflon is a fluorocarbon. Fluorine. Fluoride. Get it? Is
> reputed to break down under high temperatures into HFl, hydrofluoric
> (I'm not a chemist, any help here Tony?) acid. Worse than HCl,
> hydrochloric acid. And the place this breakdown is most likely to happen
> is in the top end of your cylinder.
>
> A little serendipity applies as it has been considered that a little
> acid in the cylinder top end might not be all that bad as a glazed
> cylinder wall might not be sealing very well. A little acid etch could
> actually improve the adhesion of a protective oil film. And improve
> compression by reducing blow-by.
>
> In motorcycle applications a little Teflon in the oil is all it takes
> to keep the motorcycle from leaving your driveway. Teflon loves wet
> clutches.
>
> --
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From: "Emile Nossin"
To: "PC800"
Subject: Re: PC800: Pictures of speaker installations
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:53:36 +0100
>I submitted a picture of the cover to Emile's PC800 picture site this morning
>( http://go.to/pc800 ), but I don't know how long it will take him to put it on
>the page. Regards, Peter Noeth || KE6ZJA || Rocklin, CA || Fireball, '96 w/ 13k
It's on now. Go to http://go.to/pc800 then click on Peter Noeth's drilled speaker covers.
Enjoy,
Emile
'92 ST ABS/TCS "Eclipse"
http://fly.to/emile
http://go.to/pc800 The listmembers site, your site...
> From: Rutherford L. Le Blang
>Does anyone have pictures of their
> speaker installs they can share?
> Russ
> '98 PC800 "Pacifica"
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From: "Tosh Konya"
To: ,
Subject: PC800: Teflon additives
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 22:35:36 -0800
If I'm not mistaken, Teflon belongs to Dupont. Several decades
ago, there was lawsuit between Dupont and Slick 50. Slick 50
had been buying the teflon elements from Dupont for years until
someone at the chemical giant discovered these snake oil
salesmen were packaging this stuff as a motor oil additive.
Dupont informed Slick 50 that Teflon was never intended to
be mixed into motor oil and could possible clog engine oil
orifices, so they would not longer fill their order. Slick 50 took
Dupont to court and won in a restraint of trade battle. It was
a decision of legal principle and not of right over wrong.
There are lots of SAE technical papers that warn of the
potential harm of using any teflon additives in the engine
oil but people will believe what they want to believe.
In America, the power of advertising is almightly.
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From: "Bill & Helen Jarrells"
To: "PC800 List" , "Tosh Konya"
Subject: PC800: Re: Final Drive Leak
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 22:24:29 -0500
Well, that is the kind of target that I had - really. The entire wheel =
was covered. Oil was dripping from the bottom of the final drive unit.
After removing the wheel and cleaning things up I still cannot determine =
where it is coming from. I am beginning to think the wrong type of =
grease has been used to lubricate the splines (rear hub to final drive). =
Also, the grease is packed in there pretty thick. It looks like =
bearing grease. What type of grease should be used? I am thinking that =
it should be a white lithium grease.
Oh yeah, there seems to be no loss of gear oil in the rear drive. It is =
still full and, considering that there is only about 5 oz of oil in the =
unit, it should be empty by now.
Any thoughts?
Bill Jarrells
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From: Tosh Konya=20
To: Bill & Helen Jarrells=20
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 7:41 PM
Subject: Final Drive Leak
You need to be more specific with the location of the leak.
Saying the final drive is leaking is a big target. It's like=20
telling the doctor your body hurts.=20
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From: JeffHamltn@aol.com
for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 00:39:08 -0500 (EST)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 00:39:07 EST
Subject: Re: PC800: Crashed my '96
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Daniel,
Sorry to hear about your accident but I admire you determination to fix the
bike. Are you sure the frame isn't tweaked? Did you check to make sure it's
still plumb?
Good luck.
Jeff
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:31:13 +1300 (NZDT)
To: PC800 Rider
From: Richard Proctor
Subject: PC800: I'm back too!
Howdy, friends & neighbours.
I'm back after 6 weeks in Europe where amongst other activities I caught up
with Emile, the Flying Dutchman & even sat on his ST1100.
Firstly, however, I'd like to greet you all with a heartfelt "HELP!!!!!!"
I got the bike out today & I think the Gods are giving me the message about
not riding bikes.
The sequence went like this.
First unpack flash new Tecknic jacket I had sent to me in LA to bring home.
"Try it on for size," the wife says in LA.
"No problem," I says.
"I tried one on at a dealer's."
Yeah, right!
You know how these flash jackets have armour on the outside of the elbow?
Well the cunning inscrutable who sewed mine in Hong Kong managed to rotate
the sleeve lining 180deg so mine has armour on the inside of the elbow!!
Oh, wow!!
And that is the good news!
Wheeled bike out.
Battery flat (of course).
Put on jumper leads, started first time, idled with half choke while I put
on other jacket & helmet.
Proceed quietly up the street.
Right indicator light comes on very bright and engine cuts out.
Won't restart (battery flat, remember).
Coast downhill and try run start. Doesn't work.
Park bike, walk home, get car & jumper leads. Lots of bright lights, motor
won't turn over.
Bugger!
Push bike home (up-hill) with some help from a runner passing by (I'd never
have made it, those bikes are heavy).
Suspect a blown fuse.
Remove seat, main fuse seems OK.
Remove side panel, replace blown ignition fuse.
Connect up jumper leads, lots of bright lights, ENGINE STILL WON'T TURN
OVER!!!!
help, Help, HELP!!!
I swapped the main fuse in case of a hairline crack, still no joy.
Any ideas anyone.
It's not the ignition but the starter circuit somewhere.
All contributions welcome. Someone must have had one like this before, surely.
At least I've got it home.
Regards to all
Richard Proctor
'89 "Moonshine" 18K
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 05:45:49 -0800 (PST)
From: John Scalisi
Subject: RE: PC800: Uncapped Vaccum & Gas Lines
To: Peter Noeth , PC800 List
I see what your saying. I can't tell if anything was ever attached to
the nipple on the bottom of the auto fuel valve or the vacuum line at
the base of the carbs. I looked at the service manual again and
noticed that the uncapped vacuum line on the base of the carbs is what
would attach to the extra equipment on the Califonia model PC800. But
for the regular PC800 it shows nothing there. But this line may be the
atmospheric vent you refer to because as an experiment, I capped it and
the bike starts to die. It idles down and can't seem to get gas when
you roll on the throttle. So I left it uncapped. I put a rubber
vacuum cap on the nipple on the bottom of the auto fuel valve to stop
the gas drip and the everthing seems fine. But I see your point that
if the diaphram in the auto fuel valve is damaged it may be causing the
leak and it may just be a coincidence that it started around the time I
changed the air cleaner. The bike seems to run okay now with the gas
leak capped and the vacuum tube open, but it does still seem to be
idling a bit high and I have the adjuster for the idle turned allthe
way down.
Anybody have any other ideas?
--- Peter Noeth wrote:
> If the nipple is relatively short, and shows no signs of any hose
> ever being
> there (clean or discolored area) then it is the atmospheric vent for
> the auto
> petcock valve. Since the vacuum hose from the engine sucks on one
> side of a
> diaphram valve to open it, the other side needs a source of
> atmospheric pressure
> to allow the diaphram to move. This diaphram is connected by a small
> shaft to
> the actual valve.
>
> I haven't studied the one on the PC, but my '86 Nighthawk had a
> similiar device
> and I had to take it apart to clean it once. It wasn't documented in
> the manual
> either.
>
> If you have gas dripping out of this vent (if it is the vent we are
> talking
> about), then you may have a punctured diaphram in the valve or a bad
> o-ring,
> since no fluid should get to this point. There should be three hoses
> on the
> valve, Gas In, Gas Out and a smaller vacuum line to somewhere on one
> of the
> carbs.
>
> Since you mention you have an unconnected vacuum line on the base of
> the carbs,
> might this go to the auto petcock valve?
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter Noeth || KE6ZJA || Rocklin, CA || Fireball, '96 w/ 13k
>
>
>
> > ----------
> > From: John Scalisi
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 8:56 AM
> > To: PC800 List
> > Subject: PC800: Uncapped Vaccum & Gas Lines
> >
> > I recently changed my air filter and completely removed the filter
> > housing to clean it when I did. When done, I started noticing the
> > smell of gas during and after riding. I pulled the cover again and
> > found the auto gas valve mounted on the rear of the air filter
> housing
> > had a nipple pointing straight down that was uncapped and dripping.
>
> > There does not seem to be any unconnected hose that fell off. Does
> > anyone know what that nipple is for? Was it just capped and maybe
> the
> > cap fell off when I pulled the air filter housing and I didn't
> notice
> > it? The gas line from the fuel pump and the feed lines to the
> carbs
> > are all hooked up correctly to the nipples on the back and sides of
> the
> > auto fuel valve. The service manual doesn't even reference a
> nipple on
> > the bottom of the auto fuel valve. The local honda dealer here
> didn't
> > know about it either. He didn't see it referenced anywhere either.
>
> > HELP! I have it temporarily plugged with a piece of clamped off
> tubing
> > for now but I want to make sure that it shouldn't be connected
> > somewhere. This nipple points straight down to the ground from the
> > bottom of the auto fuel valve. The bike seems to run fine with it
> > clamped off. Any ideas?
> >
> > Another mystery is an uncapped vaccum tube which protrudes from the
> > rear base of the carbs pointing towards the rear of the bike. It
> > points towards the front of the black housing that surrounds the
> gas
> > cap/fill area. There are two small lines connected to the sides of
> the
> > tube, but the back of the tube is just open! With the bike
> running, if
> > I put my finger over the openning, the bike idles down. Again, the
> > service manual shows nothing attached to the back of the tube, or
> that
> > it has a cap. It appears in the service manual, that the rear of
> the
> > tube isn't open. Any ideas? Any body know what their's looks
> like?
> > Is it connected to something or capped? Help! Right now, I'm
> riding
> > with it open. Bike seems to idle high when idling.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:54:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Selden Deemer
To: PC 800 List
Subject: PC800: Re: Helmets
cen13504 writes:
> I just received my new Nolan N-100 helmet. Thanks Steve....
> My first question is, does the chin strap relax. The buckle presses
> on my wind pipe. If I look down slightly it almost gags me. I hope
> this relaxes. ?
It doesn't "relax" per se, since it's made from hard plastic and steel.
However, you will probably do get used to it (I did -- after having
the same reaction initially). Try riding with the strap one or two
clicks looser.
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:55:00 -0400
To: JeffHamltn@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay)
Subject: Re: PC800: Crashed my '96
Jeff wrote:
>Sorry to hear about your accident but I admire you determination to fix the
>bike. Are you sure the frame isn't tweaked? Did you check to make sure it's
>still plumb?
The frame would have to be made of tinfoil to get tweaked at this level of
impact. The car hit the bike on the front wheel (forks are OK) the
radiator (which did get destroyed but that radiator you can destroy with
your fingernail anyway) and the front fairing protector (aka rollbar). The
fairing protector had a bad scrape, not bent -- of course the plastic over
it was destroyed as was most of the front right-hand plastic.
The mechanic and adjuster didn't find any mechanical problems with the bike
at all, and I've been driving it for the past couple of days and it is as
sweet-handling as always. So, I'm gonna assume it's fine, not gonna do any
other checking.
Stay tuned for the results of my request for quotes.
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:59:47 -0500 (EST)
From: Selden Deemer
To: PC 800 List
Subject: PC800: Re: Uncapped Vaccum & Gas Lines
John Scalisi writes:
> I recently changed my air filter and completely removed the filter
> housing to clean it when I did. When done, I started noticing the
> smell of gas during and after riding. I pulled the cover again and
> found the auto gas valve mounted on the rear of the air filter housing
> had a nipple pointing straight down that was uncapped and dripping.
> There does not seem to be any unconnected hose that fell off. Does
> anyone know what that nipple is for?
This is the air vent for the vacuum fuel valve. If gasoline is dripping
from it, the valve may need replacing. You can try disassembling,
cleaning, and putting it back together, but I have my doubts. I ran a
long plastic tube from the vent, down the left side of the engine, and
collected with the other drain tubes.
> Another mystery is an uncapped vaccum tube which protrudes from the
> rear base of the carbs pointing towards the rear of the bike. It
> points towards the front of the black housing that surrounds the gas
> cap/fill area. There are two small lines connected to the sides of the
> tube, but the back of the tube is just open!
I'm pretty sure that these are vent lines required by the CV carburetor.
If you close them off, it will not run properly.
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 06:04:47 -0800 (PST)
From: John Scalisi
Subject: PC800: Re: Uncapped Vacuum & Gas Lines
To: Tosh Konya
Cc: PC800 List
I see all the connections you refer to and they are all connected
correctly. However, there is still another nipple pointing straight
down from the bottom of the "auto fuel valve" which is dripping gas
which is not illustrated in the picture. You have to take the panels
off the bike to see it. I'm wondering if everybody even has it. Maybe
there were supply problems when some bikes were assembled and they
substitued a different valve with an extra nipple and just capped it
off. I don't know. I wish someone who was doing some service on their
PC800 could take a look to see if they have it and if so what's on it.
The vacuum line you refer to that goes to that t-fitting, is the rear
of that t-fitting suppossed to be uncapped? That is the vacuum tube I
was referring to. On the califonia model the rear is connected to the
additional california equipment, but on mine it's just open. Isthat
correct?
--- Tosh Konya wrote:
> Page 5-6 in the service manuals shows adequate detail of the
> "auto fuel valve." It has a large inlet line from the fuel pump.
> It has two opposed lines that feed fuel to each carb. Finally
> it has a small vacuum line to open the fuel valve when engine
> vacuum is present (engine running).
>
> The vacuum line has a t-fitting just upstream from the auto fuel
> valve. The line splits here so it can take vacuum from both
> cylinders for a more even application - it won't pulse.
>
> Engine vacuum for the auto fuel valve is not taken from the
> carburetor. It comes from a 5 mm tapped hole in the inlet
> passage which is just upstream of the carb. This hole is
> tapped in the cylinder head not the carburetor. There are
> separate tapped holes for the front and rear cylinder.
>
>
>
>
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From: "Leonard Berkeley"
To: "PC800 list"
Subject: PC800: oil change
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:32:39 -0500
Well I recently did my first oil change on my 1998 PC and had a problem so
wondered if it is normal or there is a cure. After draining the sump I
loosened the filter and only burned my hands twice but then could not get
the filter out. The clamp on the exhaust pipe just behind the filter stopped
it from coming out. I had to loosen the clamp and juggle the filter around
dripping hot oil on me and everything else. Can that clamp be rotated so
that it is out of the way or do I have to repeat this crap on every change.
Leonard ( Lou) Berkley
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:25:13 -0800 (PST)
From: John La
Subject: PC800: PC wanted in So Cal...
To: tony@pacificcomics.com, pclist
Listers- Tony is not on the list yet, so please
respond to:
tony@pacificcomics.com
--- tony wrote:
> Hi , sorry to bother you . I am tired of my Honda
> Helix and I think I'm
> ready for a PC-800...can you tell me whereI can find
> one ( used or new
> )...dealers do not give any info..
> Thanks, have a good day , Tony Raiola PO BOX 14361
> Long Beach CA 90803(562)
> 438 2752
Tony-
The PC FAQ:
http://hhd.csun.edu/john/pcfaq.htm
Shows a few online classifieds to get you started.
Since the PC has been discontinued by honda, I don't
think you'll find a new one at the dealer, but they
sometimes get them as trades.
If you are serious about buying a PC, you should
consider joining the PC email list (see FAQ for
details) so you can talk to 200+ PC owners all over
the world. It's free and it's really useful.
I'm going to forward your question to the list in case
anyone is selling their PC or knows of any for sale.
Good luck and ride safe-
John
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:31:35 -0800
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Betty Lise Anderson
Subject: PC800: Who has the white PC in Columbus with a little girl on the back?
Hi,
Now that there are so many Columbus, Ohio PC'ers, it's tough to keep
them all straight! Who has the white one I saw around 5 on Monday on
High Street, turning onto Royal Forest in Beechwold, with a little
girl with long blond hair (and a helmet, of course!) on the back? She
is a good waver! Anyone on the list?
Also, I saw a PC last week at about 6 or 7 AM in the dark turning
from Kinnear into the road that goes to the reactor at Ohio State.
Couldn't tell what color in the dark, but the rear taillight is
unmistakable. WHo could it be? I was in a car that time so you
wouldn't have seen me.
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From: dwilkers@us.ibm.com
To: KC2ATQ@aol.com
cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:07:46 -0500
Subject: Re: PC800: dur a lube
Teflon is a solid, which your Oil Filter is designed to remove. There've
also been studies of the particles building up in unopporune places in the
engine.
DuPont, the maker of Teflon, has gone as far as to say that it does NO good
in engines, but I don't know that they've demonstrated that it does harm.
They started to try NOT to sell Teflon to these additive companies, but
were faced with litigation.
Stick with high quality Honda dino-juice and you'll be fine.
I've done a bit of curious research both on behalf of my F150 and the PC,
and I've come to the conclusion that good dino-oil and a high quality
filter (I splurge for the Mobil 1 filter for my truck) will do the trick.
Doug Wilkerson
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Office: 205-972-7522 Mobile: 205-242-9076
KC2ATQ@aol.com on 11/02/99 06:20:14 PM
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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
cc:
Subject: PC800: dur a lube
Has any one on the list ever tried to add "extras" to the oil such as
Duralube ?? I have always changed the oil between 2500 and 3000, but as the
miles add on I was thinking. I put Duralube in my car, 1991 Honda CRX,
which
has over 260,000 miles on it and still running strong. Any coments ???
Ride Safe and Often,
JIM T
Beachwood, NJ
1996 PC 800
40K
Givi E460
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From: "Reinhardt, Bob"
To: "'Leonard Berkeley'"
Cc: "'PC800'"
Subject: RE: PC800: oil change
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:20:42 -0500
Lou,
Don't know if this will help or not.......
I assume you have the bike on the center stand while changing the oil, but
is the side stand down or still up? I learned the hard way the first time I
changed oil on my '95. I was struggling like crazy to get the filter out,
when all of a sudden (don't know why) I bumped/moved the side stand. By
moving the side stand down I found it gave me all kinds of room to get the
filter out. Since then, it's no fuss, no mess! :-)
Bob Reinhardt
1995 Pacific Coast (20K)
1986 Interceptor 500 (6K)
-----Original Message-----
From: Leonard Berkeley [mailto:louberk@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 9:33 AM
To: PC800 list
Subject: PC800: oil change
Well I recently did my first oil change on my 1998 PC and
had a problem so
wondered if it is normal or there is a cure. After draining
the sump I
loosened the filter and only burned my hands twice but then
could not get
the filter out. The clamp on the exhaust pipe just behind
the filter stopped
it from coming out. I had to loosen the clamp and juggle the
filter around
dripping hot oil on me and everything else. Can that clamp
be rotated so
that it is out of the way or do I have to repeat this crap
on every change.
Leonard ( Lou) Berkley
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PC 800, CB750, HSTA, HRC,AMA Life, STOC 110
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From: "Leonard Berkeley"
To: "Reinhardt, Bob"
Cc: "'PC800'"
Subject: Re: PC800: oil change
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:54:29 -0500
> Lou,
>
> Don't know if this will help or not.......
>
> I assume you have the bike on the center stand while changing the oil, but
> is the side stand down or still up? I learned the hard way the first time
I
> changed oil on my '95. I was struggling like crazy to get the filter out,
> when all of a sudden (don't know why) I bumped/moved the side stand. By
The side stand was up that may solve my problem.
Leonard ( Lou) Berkley
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:01:59 -0900 (AKST)
From: Rustin
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Another request for PC-4-sale leads
Hello, Listers,
I recently escaped the arctic freeze which caught Mr Goula and
returned south to California. I've been searching for a PC in this region
but the classifieds have been quiet lately. If you know of a 90s model
with a 4-sale sign on it but don't want to keep it a secret, by all means
drop me a note off-list at . Much thanks to
you, and apologies for the listmail clutter. Note however that I'm not
asking about how to name my terminal '75 Hodaka. (I already know
what to call it.) Must join the PC ranks at last...
Rustin Beam
Sacramento, CA
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:09:53 -0400
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay)
Subject: PC800: Cheap parts sources for Canada
Howdy.
I need to buy a couple thousand bucks worth of Pacific Coast Skin.
I'm in Canada; if any Canadians have cheap Honda plastic sources, please
let me know. I'm getting a quote from Honda of Milpitas, who cheerfully
ship to Canada, and my local Honda dealer, and may get a quote from Cycle
Design in Mass. too if they ever reply.
If you have shopped around and gotten cheap plastic somewhere, please write
me private email, I'll summarize and post. Thanks.
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From: "Pickett, Bruce D"
To: "'PC800'"
Subject: RE: PC800: Another request for PC-4-sale leads
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:13:53 -0800
Rustin,
If you go to Cyclebytel ( http://cyclebytel.com/ ) and click on the "Used Bikes" button, you can search by region and by model. Do two separate model searches under Honda - one on "PC800", and one on "Pacific Coast" because adds appear under both.
Currently, they have a listing for a "1996 Honda PC800 Pacific Coast, Red, 7400 miles, $5000, Sacramento, CA, (916) 984-9856, mham@jps.net", however, I don't know when that one was posted and if it is still available.
You can use Cyclebytel's "Notify Me" feature to alert you when new bikes fitting your search criteria show up in their database.
Bruce Pickett
Federal Way, WA
'89 PC800 "PC with no name"
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> From: Rustin[SMTP:fsrmb@aurora.uaf.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 10:01 AM
> To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
> Subject: PC800: Another request for PC-4-sale leads
>
>
>
> Hello, Listers,
>
> I recently escaped the arctic freeze which caught Mr Goula and
> returned south to California. I've been searching for a PC in this region
> but the classifieds have been quiet lately. If you know of a 90s model
> with a 4-sale sign on it but don't want to keep it a secret, by all means
> drop me a note off-list at . Much thanks to
> you, and apologies for the listmail clutter. Note however that I'm not
> asking about how to name my terminal '75 Hodaka. (I already know
> what to call it.) Must join the PC ranks at last...
> Rustin Beam
> Sacramento, CA
>
>
>
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From: "PCSG Ltd."
To:
Subject: Re: PC800: Teflon additives
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:44:00 -0000
None of the vehicle manufacturers recommend after market additives either.
Some will even invalidate the warranty.
Oil manufacturers put in a lot of research and development in to their
products and they include all the additives required.
After market additives are nothing more than a clever marketing gimmick.
At best, the only thing the additives do is increase the 'feel good factor'
of the owner
by making them believe that they are doing something special to their pride
and joy.
Job Chithalan, England
1998 PC SST (Sunny Sussex Transport)
(Trail Riders Fellowship, Sussex)
(West Sussex Advanced Motorcyclists)
(Worthing Group of Advanced Motorists)
(Sussex RoSPA Advanced Drivers Association)
----------
> From: Tosh Konya
> To: KC2ATQ@aol.com; pc800@hpc.uh.edu
> Subject: PC800: Teflon additives
> Date: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 6:35 AM
>
> If I'm not mistaken, Teflon belongs to Dupont. Several decades
> ago, there was lawsuit between Dupont and Slick 50. Slick 50
> had been buying the teflon elements from Dupont for years until
> someone at the chemical giant discovered these snake oil
> salesmen were packaging this stuff as a motor oil additive.
>
> Dupont informed Slick 50 that Teflon was never intended to
> be mixed into motor oil and could possible clog engine oil
> orifices, so they would not longer fill their order. Slick 50 took
> Dupont to court and won in a restraint of trade battle. It was
> a decision of legal principle and not of right over wrong.
>
> There are lots of SAE technical papers that warn of the
> potential harm of using any teflon additives in the engine
> oil but people will believe what they want to believe.
> In America, the power of advertising is almightly.
>
>
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From: "Desmond Cockburn"
To: louberk@earthlink.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: oil change
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 11:03:11 PST
Can that clamp be rotated so that it is out of the way or do I have to
repeat this crap on every change.
>
>Leonard ( Lou) Berkley
Lou,
When I took my 95 in for a rear tire change the Honda mech loosened the
clamp and turned it with the end of the bolts and the nuts at about an 8
o'clock position, viewed from the front of the bike. He said, "There, that
will make the filter easier to change." Worked like a charm.
Des,
95 PC, Dream Weaver
Okmulgee, Ok.
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It can't hurt." Jimmy Buffett
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From: "Leonard Berkeley"
To: "Desmond Cockburn" ,
Subject: Re: PC800: oil change
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:32:49 -0500
> Lou,
>
> When I took my 95 in for a rear tire change the Honda mech loosened the
> clamp and turned it with the end of the bolts and the nuts at about an 8
> o'clock position, viewed from the front of the bike. He said, "There,
that
> will make the filter easier to change." Worked like a charm.
>
That also sounds like a solution. I was afraid to apply force to rotate
the clamp but thought that would solve the problem.
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:11:09 -0400
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay)
Subject: Re: PC800: Cheap parts sources
Howdy.
I need to buy a couple thousand bucks worth of Pacific Coast Skin.
If any Americans know of cheap Honda plastic sources, please let me know,
lots of places ship to Canada too.
I've contacted Honda of Milpitas and Cycle Design in Mass so far for
quotes; if you have shopped around and gotten cheap plastic somewhere,
please write me private email, I'll summarize and post. Thanks.
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From: "Smith, David E (AZ77)"
To: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: RE: PC800: Cheap parts sources
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:48:32 -0700
Hey Daniel,
Have you considered the PC plastic repair guru, Chuck Chiodini? I have seen
his work and it is amazing what he can do. Broken or scuffed plastic looks
like new (on the painted side) after Chuck works his magic.
Good Luck!
David E Smith
Phoenix
1998 PC800
"Minerva"
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From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca [mailto:Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca]
Sent: November 03, 1999 13:11
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Cheap parts sources
Howdy.
I need to buy a couple thousand bucks worth of Pacific Coast Skin.
If any Americans know of cheap Honda plastic sources, please let me know,
lots of places ship to Canada too.
I've contacted Honda of Milpitas and Cycle Design in Mass so far for
quotes; if you have shopped around and gotten cheap plastic somewhere,
please write me private email, I'll summarize and post. Thanks.
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:59:37 -0400
To: "Smith, David E (AZ77)" ,
pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay)
Subject: RE: PC800: Cheap parts sources
David Smith wrote:
>Have you considered the PC plastic repair guru, Chuck Chiodini? I have seen
Hhehehe good idea but -- this is after a collision with a Ford Escort.
There were little pieces of PC skin ALL over the intersection, Chuck would
have to be piecing together quarter-sized pieces to make up most of the
front of my bike.
I wrote:
>I need to buy a couple thousand bucks worth of Pacific Coast Skin.
>
>If any Americans know of cheap Honda plastic sources, please let me know,
>lots of places ship to Canada too.
>
>I've contacted Honda of Milpitas and Cycle Design in Mass so far for
>quotes; if you have shopped around and gotten cheap plastic somewhere,
>please write me private email, I'll summarize and post. Thanks.
>
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>
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From: "MTW"
To: , "Betty Lise Anderson"
Subject: Re: PC800: Who has the white PC in Columbus with a little girl on the back?
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:51:12 -0500
I've seen a white PC in the same area too. It was a couple on pulling out
onto High St. from Royal Forest (west of high)..
Mike Whited
Columbus, OH.
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From: Betty Lise Anderson
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 10:32 AM
Subject: PC800: Who has the white PC in Columbus with a little girl on the
back?
>
>Hi,
>
>Now that there are so many Columbus, Ohio PC'ers, it's tough to keep
>them all straight! Who has the white one I saw around 5 on Monday on
>High Street, turning onto Royal Forest in Beechwold, with a little
>girl with long blond hair (and a helmet, of course!) on the back? She
>is a good waver! Anyone on the list?
>
>Also, I saw a PC last week at about 6 or 7 AM in the dark turning
>from Kinnear into the road that goes to the reactor at Ohio State.
>Couldn't tell what color in the dark, but the rear taillight is
>unmistakable. WHo could it be? I was in a car that time so you
>wouldn't have seen me.
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Arvid_L=F8vik?=
To: "PC800"
Subject: PC800: Stator/regulator. What happens?
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 00:12:47 +0100
Hi,
I have 2x89 PC's, one with a little more than 25k( with a regulator failure)
and the other with just over 10k miles on.
If the failure with the stator/regulator is as commmon as this group has
experienced,do anyone know what causes the failure in the first place ?
Am I now safe for a stator failure when a new regulator is used or are these
problems with the reulator and/or stator not connected ?
Regards
Arvid
----------------------------------------------------
89 PC "SOS" PCOG/PCOC # 2
My Home page is at:
http://get.to/arvid
...................................................
Reach me by ICQ. My ICQ# is 15279399 or,
* Page me online through my Personal Communication Center:
http://wwp.mirabilis.com/15279399 (go there and try it!) or,
* Send me E-mail Express directly to my computer screen
15279399@pager.mirabilis.com
My Fax Number is: + 1-209-821-5865
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From: Peter Noeth
To: "'PC800 List'"
Subject: FW: PC800: Stator/regulator. What happens?
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:58:43 -0800
> ----------
> From: Peter Noeth
> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 3:58 PM
> To: 'Arvid L=F8vik'
> Subject: RE: PC800: Stator/regulator. What happens?
>=20
> I have not had a stator fail, but I have had electric motors fail, so =
I am
> expecting that the possible failure modes would be similiar. The =
stator is
> composed of several pole pieces with enamel coated wire wound on =
them, the
> pattern isn't important, but most are a 3-phase "Y" design (with a =
common
> ground connection).
>=20
> Since the reported failure mode of the '89 stators are one or more of =
the 3
> output leads are shorted to frame ground (when it is installed in the =
engine),
> what is most likely happening is that vibration is wearing off the =
enamel
> coating on a portion of the windings that are in contact with the =
pole pieces,
> which being steel and connected electrically to the engine (ground) =
is
> shorting out that winding.
>=20
> Normally each pole piece is wrapped with a couple turns of cloth tape =
or fish
> paper (a thin oiled cardboard) to prevent the first layer of turns of =
each
> winding around it from being able to contact the pole piece directly. =
It may
> be that the pole pieces were not so protected, or an inadequate =
amount of
> insulating material was used, or that the pole pieces were not =
properly
> deburred and had sharp corners that cut through the insulating =
material and
> enamel on the wire. Or possible heat has caused the enamel coating on =
the wire
> to break down and allow the layers of windings around one or more =
pole pieces
> to contact with each other. If this were the case, the winding would =
be
> shorted to ground by virtue of being shorted to itself, causing its =
resistance
> to go to zero instead of the ohm or two it is supposed to be.
>=20
> Hope this helps !
>=20
> Regards,
>=20
> Peter Noeth || KE6ZJA || Rocklin, CA || Fireball, '96 w/ 13k
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> ----------
> From: Arvid L=F8vik
> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 3:12 PM
> To: PC800
> Subject: PC800: Stator/regulator. What happens?
>=20
> Hi,
> I have 2x89 PC's, one with a little more than 25k( with a regulator =
failure)
> and the other with just over 10k miles on.
> If the failure with the stator/regulator is as commmon as this group =
has
> experienced,do anyone know what causes the failure in the first place =
?
> Am I now safe for a stator failure when a new regulator is used or =
are these
> problems with the reulator and/or stator not connected ?
>=20
> Regards
> Arvid
>=20
> ----------------------------------------------------
> 89 PC "SOS" PCOG/PCOC # 2
> My Home page is at:
> http://get.to/arvid
> ...................................................
>=20
> Reach me by ICQ. My ICQ# is 15279399 or,
> * Page me online through my Personal Communication Center:
> http://wwp.mirabilis.com/15279399 (go there and try it!) or,
> * Send me E-mail Express directly to my computer screen
> 15279399@pager.mirabilis.com
>=20
> My Fax Number is: + 1-209-821-5865
> My Home Telephone Number is: + 47 - 51 54 37 96
> Arvid L=F8vik
> ----------------------------------------------------
>=20
>=20
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>=20
>=20
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From: "Doug"
To: "PC800"
Subject: PC800: 94 For Sale
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:50:12 -0800
Have 94 PC for sale, $4500 in western Kentucky, many extras, contact me off
line..
Doug A.
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From: montyshaw@spamcop.net
by server01.gw.total-web.net with SMTP; 4 Nov 1999 02:35:30 -0000
To: FLYJRG@aol.com, PC800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Headlight Modulator recommendations?
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 21:36:06 -0500
See my comments in/after your original email. - ]Monty[
"Received from FLYJRG@aol.com on Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:21:00 EST
"I am looking to add this also, was it something that the dealer needed to
"install??
"tks
"Richard G.
"89PC
No - I bought mine from Kriss, and installed it myself. It
wasn't too bad, if you can remove tupperware.
Check this link out: http://www.kriss.com/Bstarburst.htm
]Monty[
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From: "Randy Ashurst"
To:
Subject: Re: PC800: How bout some braided brake lines???
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:55:20 -0500
HI, I have a 89PC800 and it's getting some updates...a small front fender
from a 96 red model and my crashbars are all down at Chuck Chiodini's
getting fixed up, meanwhile new tires are getting mounted...Bridgestone
radial BT57 in front and ME880 Maratohn Metzler in back, & a K & N air
filter. Sooo, I want braided brake lines and I called one of if not the top
braided brakeline company in the country and they want my rubber orig. lines
and will make me up a pair then they'll be offered as a real in stock
catalog item. I'd like a small poll of those who'd think they'd like to get
a set for their PC800?
I think many of our bikes are getting on a bit in years, many with high
miles and this would freshen up the action nicely and probably much cheaper
than Honda lines....
Email me ashurst@thebest.net , meanwhile anyone who has taken off a set on
a PC could ya tell me how to do it? I guess I'd have to take off the
handlebar covers.
Recomendations on aftermarket brake pucks too needed...
Regards.
Randy Ashurst, Brunswick, GA
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From: STalago@aol.com
for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 07:09:46 -0500 (EST)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 07:09:46 EST
Subject: PC800: new list member
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
I have been copying the list for about a month. Recently purchased a 97 PC
800. Perhaps a little personal history is in order:
Stan Talago
Flemington, W
Senior Citizen
Self employed
My son, also Stan, ( tree@westvirginia.net) also purchases a 98 model. Due
to a experimental aircraft accident about six years ago, injuries to my left
leg made it mandatory to modify the shift lever. I am a tinker by nature and
will be modifying my PC electronically. Looking over the archives, I find
not much on ignition noise in radio equipment. I would assume all stock
machines would present the same problems. As is, is it impossible to work CB
and AM radio? FM should not be much of a problem, I would think. Shielding
of cables, etc., would not be difficult. Removing the plastic would
discourage me more. Perhaps someone would have some recent experience.
Thanks,
Stan Talago (W8PRM)
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From: "Chuck Chiodini"
To: "Peter Noeth" , "'PC800 List'"
Subject: Re: PC800: Stator/regulator. What happens?
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 06:33:08 -0600
Fellow Listers:
My 89 "Scooter" just joined the infamous ranks of failed stators at
47,800 miles. I was on the first half of a 300 mile ride when I noticed my
voltmeter wasn't reading its normal 13+ volts. Turning off my headlight,
voltage returned to normal values. After 45 minutes, certainly enough time
to fully charge the battery, my "headlight on" voltage was 10.5 and
dropping. Turned the bike around and headed or the barn. She got me home
fine running with no headlight.
Test results:
1) Voltmeter between "POS" and "NEG" battery posts = 11.8 with a 1 volt
increase at 5,000 rpm, not good
2) Resistance between three yellow wires from stator = .5 - .7 ohms, OK!
3) Resistance between three yellow wires and ground = continuity BAD!
Popping the stator out was no big deal and I didn't have to remove the
front fairing to get to the crash bars mounts (Thanks Honda). Stator housing
(the part that spins) was covered with a sticky "varnish". Stator itself
looks like the insulating varnish got really hot, turned black in places and
started dripping down onto the housing. All three yellow wires are grounded.
Ordered a new one and gasket from Milpitas Honda for $213 including
shipping.
I was hoping that "Scooter" would break the curse f the 89 stator but
this was not to be. At least I didn't get stranded someplace (thanks to the
installed voltmeter). Voltage regulator checks out.
Chuck Chiodini (happily wrenching)
89 PC800 "Scooter" (bottomless on the floor)
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From: "Arjan Andriessen"
To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" ,
Subject: Re: PC800: new list member
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:37:25 +0100
--Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: STalago@aol.com
Aan: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Datum: donderdag 4 november 1999 13:10
Onderwerp: PC800: new list member
I have been copying the list for about a month. Recently purchased a 97 PC
800. Perhaps a little personal history is in order:
Stan Talago
Flemington, W
Senior Citizen
Self employed
My son, also Stan, ( tree@westvirginia.net) also purchases a 98 model. Due
to a experimental aircraft accident about six years ago, injuries to my left
leg made it mandatory to modify the shift lever. I am a tinker by nature
and
will be modifying my PC electronically. . Looking over the archives, I
find
not much on ignition noise in radio equipment. I would assume all stock
machines would present the same problems. As is, is it impossible to work
CB
and AM radio? FM should not be much of a problem, I would think. Shielding
of cables, etc., would not be difficult. Removing the plastic would
discourage me more. Perhaps someone would have some recent experience.
Thanks,
Stan Talago (W8PRM)
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Hello to this list,
I read in your pc800 message that you would like to modify your shift
leveler electronically.
In Holland is a company where they modify motor bikes so that you can shift
by pusiing a switch at the handlebar. If you like i can search for manual's
or product specification. The can even modify a bike so wheelchair user whit
no use of his or her legs can ride it. Therefore the bike has to get a
sidecar, witch also holds the wheel chair, and the driver can make the
transport from wheelchair to riding position his or her own.
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:16:42 -0500 (EST)
From: Selden Deemer
To: PC 800 List
Subject: PC800: Re: How bout some braided brake lines???
"Randy Ashurst" writes:
> ...I want braided brake lines and I called one of if not the top
> braided brakeline company in the country and they want my rubber
> orig. lines and will make me up a pair then they'll be offered as
> a real in stock catalog item. I'd like a small poll of those who'd
> think they'd like to get a set for their PC800?
This question comes up all the time on the Hawk list. I'm of the opinion
that 90% of the "improvement" people attribute to switching to braided
brake lines is attributable to fresh brake fluid. Braided brake lines
are more easily damaged than the stock units. On a PC, where the
brake lines are almost completely hidden, there isn't even much of an
aesthetic gain. Save your money, and change the hydraulic fluid in
both brake and clutch reservoirs twice a year, since you live in a
hot and humid area. You can do this for 10 years and still spend
less than a set of custom SS lines would cost.
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Atlanta, Georgia EMAIL: libssd@emory.edu
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From: "PCSG Ltd."
To:
Subject: Re: PC800: Cheap parts sources
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:33:43 -0000
Hi Daniel,
Below is an Email I saved last year from a company called Internet
Motorcycle Parts.
I have not purchased anything from them so this is not a recommendation.
Might be worth your while to give them a call.
Please let the list know if they are useful.
Good Luck.
Job Chithalan
Sussex, England
--------------------
21 August 1998
Thank you for your inquiry,
We can get the OEM parts you have requested, but need a little help from
you first. We need part numbers in order to fulfill your request. This is
part of the incentive for the discount. Usually, you can get such numbers
from your local dealer. If it is for any of the other lines we now carry,
we are starting to catalog the most common parts with prices on our web
site. As of this writing we have only started Honda. While this is far
from a complete list, it is a start. Keep in mind we can get any part, not
just the ones we started to catalog. The site is called Internet
Motorcycle Parts.
http://www.cycle-parts.com
In addition, if everything else falls through, we are now able to get
everybody individual microfiche (which isn't a bad idea anyways). Each
microfiche is $9.95, so customers will be able to look up the numbers
themselves, thereby not involving anybody else in the ordering process.
Our prices does not have a sales tax and includes free shipping for all
orders above $450 (Domestic orders only).
Remember, in most cases, the price includes free shipping and no tax. In
some cases that is a 50% savings. So basically you save up to 50% for
supplying part numbers. We think you will find it
worth while, based on the number of people who have already ordered and
reordered. Payment is made by YOUR Visa/Mastercard (Names are checked and
stolen or non authorized users ARE PROSECUTED).
Shipment is sent directly from the distributor directly to your door,
usually within 5-10 working days unless something is not in stock. You can
calculate your own shipping charges from the shipping calculator on our
page. There is also a $100 minimum order that applies to all orders.
By the way, this is not some huge corporation trying to get rich off
ordering parts. We initially started this to help some fellow AOL members
who knew we had access to Honda parts. This is why we do not have the
ability to look up part numbers. But if you do supply us with a part
number, we will give you a price quote. If we spent the time looking up
numbers, we would not be able to help anybody because of the time it would
consume. We will, of course, tell you the exact price before your order is
placed, so nobody is suprised at the end of the month. This is simply a
service by riders, trying to help out other riders.
You may also leave your credit card information by calling 702-399-9373,
and ask for Keith. If there is nobody available, please leave a message.
P.S. It has come to our attention that we were on the cover of Motorcycle
Industry News and got blasted because we are under-cuting all the dealers
and they are really mad. Well, as far as we are concerned that is GREAT!
Help us piss them all off by spreading the word and linking our site.
Keith Lockliear
Internet Motorcycle Parts
http://www.cycle-parts.com
----------
> From: Daniel MacKay
> To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
> Subject: Re: PC800: Cheap parts sources
> Date: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 8:11 PM
>
> Howdy.
>
> I need to buy a couple thousand bucks worth of Pacific Coast Skin.
>
> If any Americans know of cheap Honda plastic sources, please let me know,
> lots of places ship to Canada too.
>
> I've contacted Honda of Milpitas and Cycle Design in Mass so far for
> quotes; if you have shopped around and gotten cheap plastic somewhere,
> please write me private email, I'll summarize and post. Thanks.
>
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> Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 09:50:43 -0500
From: cen13504
To: pc list
Subject: Re: PC800: Cheap parts sources
> Daniel,
I used this group to replace my body panels. The service was good and the
parts were bought at cost savings. Beware that they has a no return policy. I
believe that the parts straight from Japan.
>
> We can get the OEM parts you have requested, but need a little help from
> you first. We need part numbers in order to fulfill your request. This is
> part of the incentive for the discount. Usually, you can get such numbers
> from your local dealer. If it is for any of the other lines we now carry,
> we are starting to catalog the most common parts with prices on our web
> site. As of this writing we have only started Honda. While this is far
> from a complete list, it is a start. Keep in mind we can get any part, not
> just the ones we started to catalog. The site is called Internet
> Motorcycle Parts.
> http://www.cycle-parts.com
Kenneth Winter
East TN
Walters State Community College
423-626-5063
95 Isuzu Trooper
90 Honda PC "Second Chance"
87 Toyota Mini RV
84 SP 200
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 09:51:22 -0500
From: cen13504
To: pc list
Subject: Re: PC800: Cheap parts sources
> Daniel,
I used this group to replace my body panels. The service was good and the
parts were bought at cost savings. Beware that they have a no return policy.
I believe that the parts came straight from Japan.
>
> We can get the OEM parts you have requested, but need a little help from
> you first. We need part numbers in order to fulfill your request. This is
> part of the incentive for the discount. Usually, you can get such numbers
> from your local dealer. If it is for any of the other lines we now carry,
> we are starting to catalog the most common parts with prices on our web
> site. As of this writing we have only started Honda. While this is far
> from a complete list, it is a start. Keep in mind we can get any part, not
> just the ones we started to catalog. The site is called Internet
> Motorcycle Parts.
> http://www.cycle-parts.com
Kenneth Winter
East TN
Walters State Community College
423-626-5063
95 Isuzu Trooper
90 Honda PC "Second Chance"
87 Toyota Mini RV
84 SP 200
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From: BernieK469@aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:11:11 EST
Subject: PC800: Re: X-Wing - Bye ST?
To: fredz@cillnet.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
The X-Wing is the ST. It is actually about 100 lbs lighter than the present
1100.
Bernie
94 PC 57K
Overland Park, KS
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From: "Rob Campbell" <1global@gte.net>
To:
Subject: Re: PC800: Cheap parts sources for Canada
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:57:49 -0800
Try WCC Wholesale Parts
800-438-7921
I'm not sure about Canada but it can't hurt to place a call.
Rob
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From: Daniel MacKay
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 10:10 AM
Subject: PC800: Cheap parts sources for Canada
>Howdy.
>
>I need to buy a couple thousand bucks worth of Pacific Coast Skin.
>
>I'm in Canada; if any Canadians have cheap Honda plastic sources, please
>let me know. I'm getting a quote from Honda of Milpitas, who cheerfully
>ship to Canada, and my local Honda dealer, and may get a quote from Cycle
>Design in Mass. too if they ever reply.
>
>If you have shopped around and gotten cheap plastic somewhere, please write
>me private email, I'll summarize and post. Thanks.
>
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From: "Tosh Konya"
To: "Selden Deemer" , "PC 800 List"
Subject: PC800: How bout some braided brake lines?
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:21:02 -0800
Randy said: "...I want braided brake lines..."
Selden said: ..."I'm of the opinion that 90% of the "improvement"
people attribute to switching to braided brake lines is attributable
to fresh brake fluid...."
Hurray! Some common sense in all this madness. I accused
Randy of drinking the clear liquid in Mason jars they sell in
his part of the world!
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 13:53:27 -0800
Subject: PC800: Another Los Angeles PC sighting
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: raml@bus.usc.edu (Steve Raml)
Black PC on Fairfax near the 10 about 4:30pm. I waved from my '96 but got
no reply(!). Near broke my heart.
Steve
'96 8k
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 13:58:13 -0800
Subject: PC800: Cool Palm Pilot program
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: raml@bus.usc.edu (Steve Raml)
Anybody else have a palm pilot? I got a cool shareware program called
"AutoMobil" that keeps track of gas milage and costs. Just put in the
odometer, how many gallons of gas and how much you paid and the program
will keep track. Holds data for 3 vehicles. Got it from
www.download.com, check the palm section.
Steve
'96 8k
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From: "Mike"
To: "pc800"
Subject: PC800: If you need new brakes...
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:51:09 -0500
While I was having the broken choke cable replaced on my 97 PC800, I had a
set of EBC FA 142 HH pads put on also...I wasn't happy with the ability of
the front brakes to haul down from speed. Mechanic showed me the old pads,
weren't glazed. I can definitely recommend the EBC pads, I have two finger
brakes for sure now...almost stood myself on my head at a stop lite.
Thanks for the emails concerning the headlite modulator. I decided to go
with a Kriss Starburst unit, its on and working great, the ability to change
the modulation pattern with the horn is a nice extra. Now on to the back of
the bike...I had a Back Off on my last bike and may put one on the PC due to
ease of installation, but I'm still pondering a good location for
hyperlites. Decisions, decisions. And the non-cancelling turn signals on the
bike are started to drive me nuts too:(
--Mike Hardee
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From: "Boz"
To: "PC800"
Subject: PC800: 97 For Sale
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:04:34 -0000
Hi all!
Any interest in a 97 PC? 12,600 (well, currently under 13,000) miles,
clearview +5 (and original) & fog/driving lights. New tires (not mounted,
but will if wanted). Runs beatifully & has been wonderful for 2 years, just
looking for something bigger. Never been even dropped, but it's stupid
owner backed it into his truck & cracked the rear lens ($180 from Honda).
$6,300. Located in Central New York.
JBoz@sprynet.com
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From: RVPC800@aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:40:47 EST
Subject: Re: PC800: How bout some braided brake lines?
To: ttk@erinet.com, libssd@emory.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
In a message dated 11/4/99 2:04:50 PM Mountain Standard Time, ttk@erinet.com
writes:
<< Hurray! Some common sense in all this madness. I accused
Randy of drinking the clear liquid in Mason jars they sell in
his part of the world! >>
I agree! But if Randy was wanting to know how to install turbocharging or
wheelie bars on his PC then that is a different story.
Russ Vernon
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From: "Emile Nossin"
To: "PC800"
Subject: Re: PC800: Re: X-Wing - Bye ST?
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 01:18:29 +0100
Nice pic, reasonable article (even mentiones the PC800):
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/xwingrev.html
The article mentiones they think the GTS didn't
sell because of the looks, but I personally think
(and with me many others) that the chaindrive
was the thing that killed this bike. Sure wasn't
the looks...
I wonder how a bike that's 100lbs lighter than
the ST and with 1.5 times the power of a ST
from that V6 will ride. It must be a blast...
Imagine a ST with the performance of a
Blackbird...hmm.....cool.....
I don't think I wanna know what it's gonna cost though...
Emile
'92 ST ABS/TCS "Eclipse"
http://fly.to/emile
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Sent: donderdag 4 november 1999 16:11
Subject: PC800: Re: X-Wing - Bye ST?
The X-Wing is the ST. It is actually about 100 lbs lighter than the present
1100.
Bernie
94 PC 57K
Overland Park, KS
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From: "Michael S. Prapuolenis"
To:
Subject: PC800: Toys for their Boys...
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:04:56 -0600
Importance: Normal
Has anyone seen a toy or model PC800 (couple of inches)? I have seen the
little Harley's, Beemers, and Indians. How about a PC? I think a mini '94
would look great on my office credenza!
~ @ \
~ _|=>/
~ (_)\(_)
Michael Prapuolenis
'94 PC 800 (11,500 miles and rising)
Wheaton, Illinois
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 20:32:18 -0600
From: Tony Miller
To: PC800
Subject: PC800: Tire Changing (a little long)
Thanks to Mark Ham, who posted the name, phone number, and part numbers
needed to order tires for the PC. I just called the number, gave them
the part number, and got my rear tire in a week.
Then I wanted to put it on, since my rear was bald after 7,600 miles.
By the way, I do a lot of stop-and-go driving, which eats up my rear
tire because I like to accellerate. :-)
Anyway, I called every place in the phone book and only one place said
they would mount the tire. It was the local Honda dealer. The man said
they didn't like to mount them if the tire was not sold from the dealer,
but they would do it. Not the kind of attitude that I wanted from
someone who was going to be working on my tire and wheel. My best
experiences with motorcycle dealers have been disasters, so I wanted to
avoid dealing with them if possible.
Well, I remembered seeing a post a while back from this crazy guy named
David. He said he could change his own without any fancy tools. Hmmmm,
I figured, I've met this guy and he's no better looking than I am, so if
he can do it, then I can, too. Well, not much better looking, anyhow.
Besides, I know a little about tires. And I was on vacation today.
So I removed my rear wheel using the sparse instructions in the owner's
manual. Easy. Then I cut the tire around the sidewall on both sides
using a box cutter and removed the tread part. I discovered that the
nail that was in the shoulder of my tire did not penetrate the inner
liner of the tire. Cool. Then came the hard part. Getting the beads
off of the rim. I ended up using some bar clamps that I had lying
around, and it worked without too much trouble. I had enough sidewall
left to clamp onto, and I was able to squeeze the beads together enough
to get them loose. Once I broke them loose, I still had to remove them
from the rim. It was a little tough, but I got it done.
For some reason, I didn't want to use the "drive the car over the
motorcycle tire" method. Sorry David.
A quick note here about putting on the new tire. I won't get into a
long discussion of tire uniformity here, but my tire had a dot on the
sidewall which indicates the peak of the radial force in the tire. The
rims are usually made so that the air valve is placed at the low radial
point in the rim. The tire will ride best if the high point in the tire
is matched with the low point in the rim. Therefore, I matched the dot
on the tire with the valve stem (which also had a little dot). With
some struggling and some soapy water, I was able to get the tire on the
rim. Boy, what a satisfying sound it was when those beads popped into
place on that rim! Whew!
Then all I had to do was put the wheel back on. I followed the
instructions in the book, which caused me to waste a little time, but I
got it back on and rode for about 50 miles this afternoon. It was a
beautiful day for riding here in North Alabama.
The whole process took about 3 hours, since it was my first time to have
the wheel off the bike. I could easily take an hour off of that time if
I had to do it again. Which I suppose I will, someday. . .
So, thanks again to Mark Ham and David Kelly, who made this whole thing
a lot easier and cheaper. Without this list, I would probably have been
at the mercy of the local dealer. With Mark's and David's advice, I was
able to do it myself and avoid the dealer altogether, which I greatly
prefer.
Tony Miller
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 21:41:49 -0500
Subject: Re: PC800: Toys for their Boys...
To: Prapuolenis@att.net
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider)
Prapuolenis@att.net writes:
>Has anyone seen a toy or model PC800 (couple of inches)? I have
>seen the
>little Harley's, Beemers, and Indians. How about a PC? I think a
>mini '94
>would look great on my office credenza!
> ~ @ \
>~ _|=>/
>~ (_)\(_)
>Michael Prapuolenis
>'94 PC 800 (11,500 miles and rising)
>Wheaton, Illinois
>
>
I think it was determined last winter by people on this list that
no such thing exists, unless of course you want a gold or platinum
one made by a jeweler in Switzerland (?). You can check the
archives for details on that offer.
Tim Davies
Seneca Falls, New York 13148
'98 Pacific Coast-"Yankee Smuggler"
AMA #688662
HSTA #8387
HRCA #HM100878
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From: "Mr. PC800 (R. Fenwick)"
To: "PC800"
Subject: Re: PC800: Re: X-Wing - Bye ST?
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:59:31 -0600
>I don't think I wanna know what it's gonna cost though...
Sell a kidney... You only need one!!! You KNOW you want one Emile!!!
I won't mention how I came up with the funds for my PC - Oh, well, yes I
will. It's a thing called NASDAQ... :-)
Rich Fenwick
1990 PC800L, 22,800 miles
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From: Emile Nossin
To: PC800
Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: PC800: Re: X-Wing - Bye ST?
>Nice pic, reasonable article (even mentiones the PC800):
>http://www.motorcycledaily.com/xwingrev.html
>
>The article mentiones they think the GTS didn't
>sell because of the looks, but I personally think
>(and with me many others) that the chaindrive
>was the thing that killed this bike. Sure wasn't
>the looks...
>
>I wonder how a bike that's 100lbs lighter than
>the ST and with 1.5 times the power of a ST
>from that V6 will ride. It must be a blast...
>Imagine a ST with the performance of a
>Blackbird...hmm.....cool.....
>
>I don't think I wanna know what it's gonna cost though...
>
>Emile
>'92 ST ABS/TCS "Eclipse"
>http://fly.to/emile
>http://go.to/pc800
>
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>From:
>To: ;
>Sent: donderdag 4 november 1999 16:11
>Subject: PC800: Re: X-Wing - Bye ST?
>
>
>The X-Wing is the ST. It is actually about 100 lbs lighter than the
present
>1100.
>
>Bernie
>94 PC 57K
>Overland Park, KS
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To: Tony Miller
cc: PC800
From: David Kelly
Subject: Re: PC800: Tire Changing (a little long)
of "Thu, 04 Nov 1999 20:32:18 CST." <382241B2.F5AD1C53@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 22:03:17 -0600
Tony Miller writes:
[...]
> Well, I remembered seeing a post a while back from this crazy guy named
> David. He said he could change his own without any fancy tools. Hmmmm,
> I figured, I've met this guy and he's no better looking than I am, so if
> he can do it, then I can, too. Well, not much better looking, anyhow.
> Besides, I know a little about tires. And I was on vacation today.
I used to change tires for $3.25/hour. Rarely took an hour. And I
weighted 100 pounds less back then. :-)
> For some reason, I didn't want to use the "drive the car over the
> motorcycle tire" method. Sorry David.
You would have completed the job about 90 minutes sooner.
[...]
> on the tire with the valve stem (which also had a little dot). With
> some struggling and some soapy water, I was able to get the tire on the
> rim. Boy, what a satisfying sound it was when those beads popped into
> place on that rim! Whew!
I fogot to mention when inflating for the first time, this is the most
dangerous part of the task. Tires sometimes explode rather than pop into
place on the rim. Happens less than 1 in 10,000. But it happens enough
that truck tire places who deal with 3 piece rims put the assembly in a
cage before infating. I knew a guy with a limp who put his leg in the
cage to hold a wheel once. He was glad to be alive. Car and motorcycle
shops with single piece rims never bother.
> Then all I had to do was put the wheel back on. I followed the
> instructions in the book, which caused me to waste a little time, but I
> got it back on and rode for about 50 miles this afternoon. It was a
> beautiful day for riding here in North Alabama.
Accelerate all you want, but to save your tire be slower on the release
of the throttle. And smoother on downshifts. Snapping the throttle on
downshifts will scirpt the tire every time leaving rubber on the
pavement. Can't say I noticed you doing that when we last rode. But
then again I can't say I thought your tire was this close to needing
replacement either.
OTOH your front tire was lightly worn compared to mine. :-)
Braking while diving into corners is fun!
Got my film developed but never got around to scanning the prints.
*NEXT* time I expect to have a digital camera to simplify the matter.
> So, thanks again to Mark Ham and David Kelly, who made this whole thing
> a lot easier and cheaper. Without this list, I would probably have been
> at the mercy of the local dealer. With Mark's and David's advice, I was
> able to do it myself and avoid the dealer altogether, which I greatly
> prefer.
Be sure to tune in next week when we recommend you BALANCE the tire and
wheel assembly.
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From: "Lee Barker"
To: "Tony Miller" , "PC800"
Subject: Re: PC800: Tire Changing (a little long)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:20:03 -0800
So what about balancing, Tony?
I've heard both sides of this issue, and I'm curious where you weigh in.
Lee Barker
Oregon
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From: Tony Miller
To: PC800
Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 6:31 PM
Subject: PC800: Tire Changing (a little long)
>Thanks to Mark Ham, who posted the name, phone number, and part numbers
>needed to order tires for the PC. I just called the number, gave them
>the part number, and got my rear tire in a week.
>
>Then I wanted to put it on, since my rear was bald after 7,600 miles.
>By the way, I do a lot of stop-and-go driving, which eats up my rear
>tire because I like to accellerate. :-)
>
>Anyway, I called every place in the phone book and only one place said
>they would mount the tire. It was the local Honda dealer. The man said
>they didn't like to mount them if the tire was not sold from the dealer,
>but they would do it. Not the kind of attitude that I wanted from
>someone who was going to be working on my tire and wheel. My best
>experiences with motorcycle dealers have been disasters, so I wanted to
>avoid dealing with them if possible.
>
>Well, I remembered seeing a post a while back from this crazy guy named
>David. He said he could change his own without any fancy tools. Hmmmm,
>I figured, I've met this guy and he's no better looking than I am, so if
>he can do it, then I can, too. Well, not much better looking, anyhow.
>Besides, I know a little about tires. And I was on vacation today.
>
>So I removed my rear wheel using the sparse instructions in the owner's
>manual. Easy. Then I cut the tire around the sidewall on both sides
>using a box cutter and removed the tread part. I discovered that the
>nail that was in the shoulder of my tire did not penetrate the inner
>liner of the tire. Cool. Then came the hard part. Getting the beads
>off of the rim. I ended up using some bar clamps that I had lying
>around, and it worked without too much trouble. I had enough sidewall
>left to clamp onto, and I was able to squeeze the beads together enough
>to get them loose. Once I broke them loose, I still had to remove them
>from the rim. It was a little tough, but I got it done.
>
>For some reason, I didn't want to use the "drive the car over the
>motorcycle tire" method. Sorry David.
>
>A quick note here about putting on the new tire. I won't get into a
>long discussion of tire uniformity here, but my tire had a dot on the
>sidewall which indicates the peak of the radial force in the tire. The
>rims are usually made so that the air valve is placed at the low radial
>point in the rim. The tire will ride best if the high point in the tire
>is matched with the low point in the rim. Therefore, I matched the dot
>on the tire with the valve stem (which also had a little dot). With
>some struggling and some soapy water, I was able to get the tire on the
>rim. Boy, what a satisfying sound it was when those beads popped into
>place on that rim! Whew!
>
>Then all I had to do was put the wheel back on. I followed the
>instructions in the book, which caused me to waste a little time, but I
>got it back on and rode for about 50 miles this afternoon. It was a
>beautiful day for riding here in North Alabama.
>
>The whole process took about 3 hours, since it was my first time to have
>the wheel off the bike. I could easily take an hour off of that time if
>I had to do it again. Which I suppose I will, someday. . .
>
>So, thanks again to Mark Ham and David Kelly, who made this whole thing
>a lot easier and cheaper. Without this list, I would probably have been
>at the mercy of the local dealer. With Mark's and David's advice, I was
>able to do it myself and avoid the dealer altogether, which I greatly
>prefer.
>
>Tony Miller
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 20:29:47 -0800
Subject: PC800: How about a spare bike for the trunk ?
From: "Chuck Wildman"
To: pc800 Mailing list
Why carry a lot of tools.....when you can fit a bike in the trunk or hang it
from boat davits off the tail of your PC800.
Check out http://www.pocketbike.com
This could give new meaning to cubical races and other such events. Two
laps around the 2nd floor and hide it under the desk before the boss shows
up. At ~65mph, you could do it REAL fast.
Chuck (the wildman)
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:35:23 +1300 (NZDT)
To: PC800 Rider
From: Richard Proctor
Subject: PC800: Electrical fault, was" I'm back too!"
Definitely an electrical fault.
Every time I put power in I blow the ignition fuse & the starter stays
dead, so now I have to call in the auto electrician.
But first I have to strip the Tupperware. I'm mostly through that. About 5
hours so far.
I'd put stripping the Tupperware up there with cleaning up cat-sick!!
In fact, I think I'd choose the .....
One last problem and I'm clear.
How do I remove the handle bar cover - center portion without breaking
anything?? So I can get the instrument surround off.
This thing was supposed to be relaxation.........
regards
Richard Proctor
'89 "Moonshine"
>Richard:
> I helped Rob Carey with a similar problem. Seems the PC is very
>touchy to low voltage. I would disconnect the battery negative lead (leave
>battery in bike) and hook up a trickle charger (nothing more than 1 amp)
>until your voltmeter shows a strong 13+ volts in the battery. Now re-connect
>the battery to the bike and I'll bet the bike will crank right over. Rob's
>bike had the exact same symptoms and his Honda dealer wanted to charge him
>in excess of $600 for a new starter when the only problem was his radio had
>slightly depleted his battery voltage. He had plenty of bright lights, his
>horn was strong, but the bike wouldn't turn over. Two hours on my trickle
>charger and the bike ran great. Try it out and let me know how you did.
>Good Luck!
>Chuck Chiodini
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Arvid_L=F8vik?=
To: "PC800"
Subject: Re: PC800: Toys for their Boys...
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:22:22 +0100
I was trying last Year to get a Swizz juveler to make the PC in gold. He =
agreed to do that, but would liked to see an order of at least 2 . =
Nobody else was interrested so none where made.
He makes them by hand, 35-40 hours of detailed work for the first one. =
You can even get one made with a diamant as a headlight and rubies as =
the rear lights. I will put on a link to some of the other bikes He has =
made:
http://www.pocketbike.ch/Index/news/redHot/Bijou/bijoux.html
Regards
Arvid
89 PC "SOS" PCOG/PCOC # 2
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