********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:55:36 +1200 To: PC800 Rider From: Richard Proctor Subject: PC800: Head shapes > >Ahhhhhh. This is just like 3 months ago, when I realized that I have a >"Shoei head"! Did you know that your helmet is either "Asian round" or Scottish oval" in cross section? Beats me too but that's what my local dealer told me. Or is that "Asian oval" and" Scottish round"? Richard Proctor NZ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:55:36 +1200 To: PC800 Rider From: Richard Proctor Subject: PC800: re VIN# >Richard Proctor wrote: > >> Can someone tell me where the VIN # is situated on a PC and how difficult >> it is to see? Like on a crated bike. >> > >It is on the front center of the bike, just above the radiator. There is a >little plastic deflector that is attached to the top of the forks that is >right in the way of easily seeing the tag. If you can get the person that is >shipping it to remove the 2 screws that hold on the plastic deflector and >stashing it in the trunk, it would make seeing the tag a breeze. Bugger! "Too late, Mother" she cried...... Oh well, can't be helped. Thanx anyway. Now where is that crowbar.......... Richard Proctor NZ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Will Edwards" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: 89 Model Tire Clearance Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 05:52:37 -0700 A friend of mind is looking at a 89 PC to buy. We know about the alternator problem and how to fix it, but I can't find anything about describing the rear tire clearance problem. Is this a problem with all 89's, or just some? And what is the fix for it? Will Washington state 96 PC800 Focus your eyes to where you want to be, Not to where you are afraid of falling to... . . -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:13:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: Re: PC800: Summer Pants Thanks to Chris Klass for adding the information I forgot in my post. One other thing: it appears that the Cordura part of the field pants is always tan (unless you get the camouflage versions). Galyans, where I bought mine yesterday, had them only in blue denim and brown denim. The blue/tan combination looks a little odd, while the brown/tan isn't too strange. I haven't actually ridden with them yet because it's just too hot for riding. They claim the Cordura is impregnated with Teflon. A breath test (blowing through the cloth) suggests that the Cordura part of the legs is pretty wind-resistant, so don't expect a lot of ventilation there. On the other hand, given the way a PC fairing seems to deflect wind up a rider's leg, they might function as cooling tubes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Selden Deemer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:43:25 EDT Subject: PC800: Re: I LIKE my bike- I DONT want yours! To: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us, dwilkers@us.ibm.com CC: klw@centuryinter.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu It happened again yesterday. I was riding with a group of mostly Gold Wingers. At lunch the topic was, as usual, motorcycles and motorcycle rides. And, unfortunately also as usual, came the questions aimed at me. "So! When are you going to get yourself a 'Wing?" I reply that I have no plans on purchasing one in that I like my present bike and plan on keeping it for a while. Then they will most likely say something like, "Well, save your money. Maybe someday you will be able to afford one." Now THIS really chaps my butt royal. I know that the Gold Wing is a fine machine, but it is not MY machine. If I wanted one, that is what I would be riding. AND if I wanted one, I would go down to the Honda dealer and write him a check for it. Cash. Some of these people do not even own their own homes yet they ride $20,000 motorcycles. One of them even lives with his parents! Puleeeeeese! Leave me alone about my wonderful Pacific Coast. If I want a machine that weighs a half a ton, gets worse gas mileage than my Camry, cost almost as much labor to put tires on it as the tires themselves cost, and by golly, NEEDS a reverse then I will buy one. I know that a few on the list have Wings and I am not putting them or you down, OK? I just wish that a lot of those out there would quit with the asinine thinking that the only reason that I ride a PC is that I can't afford a Wing. Note: This also holds true with a lot of Harley owners. Maybe even more so. Next time when someone ask me if I am have plans to purchase a machine like theirs, I am just going to say, "Nah. I already have the best bike out there. Why do I want to go to a lesser machine?" Russ Vernon '95 PC800 64,000 mi -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Head shapes Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:13:33 +0200 >Did you know that your helmet is either "Asian round" or Scottish oval" in >cross section? Beats me too but that's what my local dealer told me. >Or is that "Asian oval" and" Scottish round"? >Richard Proctor >NZ And don't forget "German square" heads... ; ) Emile "Dutch Cheesehead" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 13:26:44 +0000 From: Dale R Hurley To: Will Edwards CC: PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: 89 Model Tire Clearance X-Corel-MessageType: EMail Haven't had any problem yet with my 89 but if it does wear I figure that if I patch it from the inside with some new material the part that rubs will already be gone. Dale Will Edwards wrote: > A friend of mind is looking at a 89 PC to buy. We know about the > alternator > problem and how to fix it, but I can't find anything about describing > the > rear tire clearance problem. Is this a problem with all 89's, or just > some? > And what is the fix for it? > > Will > Washington state > 96 PC800 > Focus your eyes to where you want to be, > Not to where you are afraid of falling to... > . > . > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kidbys@webtv.net (shelley kidby) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:34:30 -0700 (PDT) To: RVPC800@aol.com Cc: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us, dwilkers@us.ibm.com, klw@centuryinter.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: I LIKE my bike- I DONT want yours! --WebTV-Mail-11790-1878 Amen. Mine may be beat up from using it to haul lumber, TVs, stereos, plywood, toilets, sinks, whatever I happen to need for my current project; just show me a bike that can do any of the above cheaper and more comfortably! There isnt one! Love my little PC, too. Glad to see you air your opinion. I get the same from the HD group (my son owns a 1200 Sportster, an EVO standard Softail and a 86 700 Shadow) my fellow truck river all seem to have Softails (something about the ride qualifies them to carry Big Payment Books) My PC is paid for, maybe someday I'll restore the plastic skin, but why? Doesnt improve fuel economy or ride. Jerry Kidby 90 1X PKUP --WebTV-Mail-11790-1878 postoffice-231.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 08:54:42 -0700 (PDT) mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id IAA26145; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 08:53:20 -0700 (PDT) bart.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAC11002; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:50:26 -0500 (CDT) sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13698 for ; ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com uOAEa00252 (3941); Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:43:25 EDT Subject: PC800: Re: I LIKE my bike- I DONT want yours! To: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us, dwilkers@us.ibm.com CC: klw@centuryinter.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu It happened again yesterday. I was riding with a group of mostly Gold Wingers. At lunch the topic was, as usual, motorcycles and motorcycle rides. And, unfortunately also as usual, came the questions aimed at me. "So! When are you going to get yourself a 'Wing?" I reply that I have no plans on purchasing one in that I like my present bike and plan on keeping it for a while. Then they will most likely say something like, "Well, save your money. Maybe someday you will be able to afford one." Now THIS really chaps my butt royal. I know that the Gold Wing is a fine machine, but it is not MY machine. If I wanted one, that is what I would be riding. AND if I wanted one, I would go down to the Honda dealer and write him a check for it. Cash. Some of these people do not even own their own homes yet they ride $20,000 motorcycles. One of them even lives with his parents! Puleeeeeese! Leave me alone about my wonderful Pacific Coast. If I want a machine that weighs a half a ton, gets worse gas mileage than my Camry, cost almost as much labor to put tires on it as the tires themselves cost, and by golly, NEEDS a reverse then I will buy one. I know that a few on the list have Wings and I am not putting them or you down, OK? I just wish that a lot of those out there would quit with the asinine thinking that the only reason that I ride a PC is that I can't afford a Wing. Note: This also holds true with a lot of Harley owners. Maybe even more so. Next time when someone ask me if I am have plans to purchase a machine like theirs, I am just going to say, "Nah. I already have the best bike out there. Why do I want to go to a lesser machine?" Russ Vernon '95 PC800 64,000 mi -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. --WebTV-Mail-11790-1878-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Wranglers Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:41:46 +0200 >http://www.wrangler.com/asp/wran_frame.asp?site=cat&brand=RW&subBrand=RW >They are called Field Pants. Part of their Rugged Wear. >From just below the hips, the fronts of the legs (and all the > way around below the knees) are covered with a layer of tan Cordura. > The seat and backs of the thighs are standard canvas -- although Too bad they put the cordura on the wrong side of the pants..... BMW has several (brand new) suits which offer a lot of cooling combined with protection that can survive a slider, unlike these pants or armored jeans. One of them is the airflow suit: http://www.bike.bmw.com/english/w_of_encounter/w_of_encounter/index.html Then go to rider equipment, then to textile suits. They even have a Denim suit, which looks like a regular Denim suit with the difference that it isn't made of cotton (denim), but of a much stronger material named Inotex, a mix of Kevlar and Dynafil. As usual very expensive offcourse, pants are ca. $300, jacket ca. $500. I couldn't find the "Denim" suit on the site though... For those who didn't know, "armored jeans" suck in slider tests...just FYI This is a Dutch test report from a Dutch motorcycle mag, comparible to MCN: Getest bij 15 km/h Motorjeans met bescherming is in opmars. Logisch, want het draagt comfortabel en het ziet er goed uit. En het is veilig, tenminste dat vertellen de folders je. Maar is het veilig? We lieten ons met 15 km/h in zes motorjeans-pakken voortsleuren achter een auto en stonden versteld van de gevolgen. Wie motor rijdt, draagt leer. Misschien een wat botte stelling, maar het werd weer eens temeer bewezen door deze test: leer biedt de meeste bescherming. Toch heeft ook leer zijn keerzijde: tijdens warme zomerdagen leg je het af. Veel motorrijders kiezen dan ook voor jeans. Jeans heeft het imago robuust en stoer te zijn en past daardoor perfect bij een custom, een motor die ook zo'n imago heeft. En van dat imago maken de makers van speciale motorjeans gretig gebruik. De doelgroep Iedereen die iets wil verkopen, heeft een doelgroep nodig. Zo ook de verkopers van 'beschermende' spijkerkleding. Behoor je tot de motorrijders die de motor gebruiken voor: a) korte ritjes in de buurt; b) even boodschappen doen; c) een kop koffie op de boulevard; d) een biertje bij de stamkroeg; e) woon-werkverkeer; f) de zondagmiddag-mooi-weer-custom-ritten; g) een exponent daarvan: de warme-landen-vakantie-ritten, dan ben je volgens de fabrikanten een potentiële klant om in beschermende motorjeans rond te gaan rijden. Uit het bovenstaande maken wij op dat het inzetgebied van 'beschermende' motorjeans gaat tot snelheden van 80 km/h. De meeste toertochten gaan immers over mooi slingerende B-wegen en aangezien we toch al generaliserend bezig zijn: niemand rijdt te hard. We gaan er ook vanuit dat niemand motorjeans zal aantrekken op weg naar bijvoorbeeld Zuid-Frankrijk. Willen we dus motorjeans aan een praktijktest onderwerpen dan zou je eigenlijk iemand met een vaartje van 80 op het asfalt moeten gooien. Maar vindt maar eens zo'n gek! Enkele uurtjes creatief nadenken bracht ons tot de volgende oplossing. De test Het beste zou zijn als we met alle motorjeans een schuiver zouden maken. Maar het vervelende hiervan is dat je zo'n schuiver nooit kan herhalen; elke schuiver is weer anders. Daarnaast is er geen importeur te vinden die zo gek is zes motorfietsen voor deze test ter beschikking te stellen. We zochten dus naar een andere methode waarbij we de pakken allemaal een zo gelijk mogelijke behandeling konden geven. Het is uiteindelijk het voortslepen achter een auto geworden. Op een afgesloten nieuw stuk snelweg (geen ZOAB) deden we eerst een paar proeven met oude spijkerpakken. Achter een auto werd aan de trekhaak een touw gebonden met daaraan twee handvatten. Vervolgens werd er een baan van vijftig meter uitgezet om de tests uit te voeren. De eerste proefruns werden gemaakt en al snel bleek een 'full-pull' met als beoogde maximale snelheid 50 km/h onmogelijk. De proef- motorjeans vertoonden na twintig meter en na een snelheid die tot 15 km/h was opgelopen, al dusdanige slijtageplekken dat verder trekken niet nodig was. Het testtraject werd dus ingekort tot 25 meter en de maximum snelheid omlaag gebracht naar 15 km/h. Met deze afstand en snelheid werd elk pak op drie verschillende wijzen getest: Test 1: de 'zij-glijder': deze test betreft een glijder waarbij de zijkant van het lichaam over het asfalt schuift, zoals dat bij het onderuit glijden in een bocht het geval is. Bij deze test wordt vooral de heup zwaar belast. Test 2: de 'buikschuiver': tijdens deze test glij je vooral met knieën en ellebogen over het asfalt. Test 3: de 'bilschuiver': De derde test is een schuiver waarbij het achterste over het asfalt schuurt. Van elk merk en type pak bestelden we twee sets waarmee vervolgens de drie testen werden uitgevoerd. De eerste serie tests werd uitgevoerd met een set met de juiste maatvoering, de tweede serie tests met een pak dat eigenlijk te krap zat. Na elke test werd de schade genoteerd en werden de slijtplekken op de pakken gemarkeerd. Alle pakken werden getest met de standaard aanwezige protectie. De resultaten Tijdens de test werd het al duidelijk: met de pasvorm van een motorpak valt of staat de veiligheid. Motorjeans zijn vaak zo wijd dat de protectie tijdens een val zelden op de goede plaats blijft zitten. De pakken die eigenlijk te krap zitten, vertonen marginaal betere testresultaten. En deze resultaten zijn in de staatjes opgenomen. Het minst ontevreden zijn we over de broeken en wel in het bijzonder over de protectie op de heupen. Deze zit over het algemeen het best gefixeerd en blijft ook tijdens een schuiver op zijn plaats. In veel gevallen is de naad aan de zijkant van de pijp nog goed intact. De protectie op de knieën is door de wijdte van de pijp wel een probleem. In veel gevallen kruipt de pijp op waardoor de protectie niet goed blijt zitten. Het slechtst is de protectie in de jassen. Alle jassen zijn zo wijd dat bij een val de protectie eigenlijk niet op de goede plaats blijft zitten. De uitslag We hebben geen Testwinnaar of een Beste Koop. De resultaten zijn dusdanig dat er eigenlijk alleen maar verliezers zijn. Natuurlijk, er zijn slechte pakken en minder slechte pakken, daarvoor verwijzen we naar de staatjes die voor zich spreken. Maar toch hebben we ook nog een drietal positieve opmerkingen. Motorjeans met Kevlar-verstevigingen zijn wel degelijk sterker dan jeans van een A-merk. Dus behoor je tot de groep die toch liever in een spijkerbroek blijft rondrijden, laat het dan alsjeblieft een broek zijn met Kevlar- verstevigingen. Naar aanleiding van de testresultaten hebben de meeste fabrikanten te kennen gegeven dat ze de pakken willen gaan verbeteren. De toekomst zal uitwijzen of deze verbeteringen worden uitgevoerd en of ze zinvol zijn geweest. De laatste opmerking: leer is en blijft het beste materiaal om motorkleding van te maken. Het is het meest slijtagebestendig en voor de prijs hoef je het echt niet meer te laten. Leren kleding is de laatste jaren fors in prijs gedaald en een willekeurige blik in een folder van een grote fabrikant leert dat je voor hetzelfde geld als voor het duurste spijkerpak in deze test ook een leren kostuum kan kopen. If anyone wants the testresults of the tested jeans (but why bother after reading above test ?), let me know. Emile -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kidbys@webtv.net (shelley kidby) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:02:07 -0700 (PDT) To: johnla@yahoo.com (John La) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (pclist) Subject: Re: PC800: Re: PC questions from Alaska 10:03:37 -0700 (PDT) --WebTV-Mail-20020-14203 John my 2 cents: go w/Clearview - Love mine Jerry --WebTV-Mail-20020-14203 postoffice-232.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 10:05:54 -0700 (PDT) mailsorter-102-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id KAA13448; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 10:05:53 -0700 (PDT) lisa.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAC15464; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 12:05:51 -0500 (CDT) 10:03:37 PDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 10:03:37 -0700 (PDT) From: John La Subject: PC800: Re: PC questions from Alaska To: pclist > Listers- please respond to: jaeldridge@yahoo.com > he's not on the list yet. > > --- John Eldridge wrote: > > Great page, I hope you are still there and can > > answer > > some questions for me. > > I have just purchased a 96pc and have put 3000 > miles > > on it. It is really the first bike I have ridden > in > > about 30 years,(since I was 16)and I think I fell > > into > > a great bike. So far I have put a GIVI top case on > > and > > want to add a larger windscreen. Which is better > the > > Clearview or Rifle? I only want to add 3 or 4 > > inches. > > Also what about weight? I want to take a 2000mi > tour > > from Washington to Southeast Alaska and I weigh > 175 > > and my friend weighs 155. With a 30 or 40lbs of > gear > > is this over loading the bike. Any help would be > > appreciated. Thank you, John Eldridge, > Juneau,Alaska > > > > John- > > I'm still here. Congratulations on your new > machine. > I now have the clearview (+5") and find it much more > strudy and attractive than the rifle. The Rifle has > a > wider shape and kept out a little more wind noise, > but > started to form cracks around the little screws that > held it on. I bought 3 rifles in 3 years. > > There is a listserve (email list) with 200 PC owners > and I think there are a couple of owners in Alaska. > There is cost to join the group and you get the > benifit of everyones opinion rather than just mine. > I've forwarded your question to the list so you may > get a few other responses. > > For more info see: > http://hhd.csun.edu/john/pcfaq.htm > > Ride Save- > > John > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Free instant messaging and more at > http://messenger.yahoo.com > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. --WebTV-Mail-20020-14203-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kidbys@webtv.net (shelley kidby) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:06:14 -0700 (PDT) To: Emile@CyberComm.nl (Emile Nossin) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800) Subject: Re: PC800: "Why did the squirrel cross the road ? " --WebTV-Mail-15851-14216 Emile hit 4 deer - ruined 2 front bumpers 3 winters ago, then put deer whistles on and havent hit any since. (in a Freightliner truck - no damage to driver :-) Jerry --WebTV-Mail-15851-14216 postoffice-231.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 07:18:02 -0700 (PDT) mailsorter-102-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id HAA14950; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 07:18:00 -0700 (PDT) lisa.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAC15289; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 09:17:58 -0500 (CDT) JAA05040 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 09:18:41 -0500 (CDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: "Why did the squirrel cross the road ? " Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 16:14:14 +0200 >This morning I went out and checked the whistles. Sure enough, one of >them was clogged with bugs. I washed both out thoroughly and put them >back on the bike. On the way to work this morning, a squirrel started >to run out onto the road as I approached. It heard (or maybe saw) me, >stopped until I had gone by and then continued on across the road... Yes offcourse, it's well know that squirrels are programmed to stop at the roadside and wait untill all freshly cleaned deer (!) whistle equiped vehicles have passed before crossing the road. DUH ! >Not a guarantee that they work but that sort of evidence continues to >pile up... Oh please Leland, I thought the link a fellow PCer forwarded recently cleared up this whole myth, but you apparently didn't read it. Here it is again for you especially ; )): http://www.ibmwr.org/prodreview/deerwsle.html Emile '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" http://fly.to/emile -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. --WebTV-Mail-15851-14216-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Kyle Dye" To: RVPC800@aol.com, pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us, dwilkers@us.ibm.com Cc: klw@centuryinter.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: I LIKE my bike- I DONT want yours! Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 11:49:12 PDT "And Russ drives the lane and slams the ball with two hands baby!" Well said. I'm sure someone on the list has some suggestions on how to help you with that chapped butt problem. Kyle Dye Bremerton, WA '89 Pearl White "Xela" 10,500 Miles Mask STA Fog Lights Clearview +5 Shield _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "MTW" To: , , Cc: , Subject: Re: PC800: Re: I LIKE my bike- I DONT want yours! Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:30:08 -0400 I'd just tell them they're envious because you have a bike that does everything theirs does, & many of them better, for 1/3 the price! or "hell, I payed less for my bike then your's depriciated when you drove rode it off the lot!" I't sounds like they're trying to get your goat, so kid them back. Mike Whited ' 94 PC -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com To: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us ; dwilkers@us.ibm.com Cc: klw@centuryinter.net ; pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sunday, August 01, 1999 11:47 AM Subject: PC800: Re: I LIKE my bike- I DONT want yours! >It happened again yesterday. I was riding with a group of mostly Gold >Wingers. At lunch the topic was, as usual, motorcycles and motorcycle rides. >And, unfortunately also as usual, came the questions aimed at me. "So! When >are you going to get yourself a 'Wing?" I reply that I have no plans on >purchasing one in that I like my present bike and plan on keeping it for a >while. Then they will most likely say something like, "Well, save your money. >Maybe someday you will be able to afford one." Now THIS really chaps my butt >royal. I know that the Gold Wing is a fine machine, but it is not MY machine. >If I wanted one, that is what I would be riding. AND if I wanted one, I would >go down to the Honda dealer and write him a check for it. Cash. Some of these >people do not even own their own homes yet they ride $20,000 motorcycles. One >of them even lives with his parents! Puleeeeeese! Leave me alone about my >wonderful Pacific Coast. If I want a machine that weighs a half a ton, gets >worse gas mileage than my Camry, cost almost as much labor to put tires on it >as the tires themselves cost, and by golly, NEEDS a reverse then I will buy >one. I know that a few on the list have Wings and I am not putting them or >you down, OK? I just wish that a lot of those out there would quit with the >asinine thinking that the only reason that I ride a PC is that I can't afford >a Wing. Note: This also holds true with a lot of Harley owners. Maybe even >more so. Next time when someone ask me if I am have plans to purchase a >machine like theirs, I am just going to say, "Nah. I already have the best >bike out there. Why do I want to go to a lesser machine?" > >Russ Vernon >'95 PC800 >64,000 mi >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:32:08 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:31:35 -0400 From: James Farkas To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: Re: I LIKE my bike- I DONT want yours! RVPC800@aol.com wrote: > > It happened again yesterday. I was riding with a group of mostly Gold > Wingers. At lunch the topic was, as usual, motorcycles and motorcycle rides. > And, unfortunately also as usual, came the questions aimed at me. "So! When > are you going to get yourself a 'Wing?" I reply that I have no plans on I take the direct route and say never. > purchasing one in that I like my present bike and plan on keeping it for a > while. Then they will most likely say something like, "Well, save your money. > Maybe someday you will be able to afford one." Again the direct route and I say I can afford one, but I want to ride something different. Case in point is when I cruise into a popular scooter stop and all eyes are on my PC because everyone else is on a HD stamped out of a cookie cutter. Different is good. Oh, you might ask if THEY can afford a Wing, or are their kids going to dig ditches. -- James Farkas, KA3CYW jfarkas@fyi.net http://www.fyi.net/~jfarkas '97 Pacific Coast 6800 miles since May 1st '99 "Honda Fat Boy" Different is good. __o _ \<_ (_)/(_) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mike Nichols" To: , , Cc: , Subject: Re: PC800: Re: I LIKE my bike- I DONT want yours! Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 21:37:41 -0500 Jerry: My husband is on a mission trip this week and he asked me to take care of his e-mail while he's gone. I found your comments about how others want to take you up to a "better ride" from a PC interesting. We hear comments such as these from lots of people: Gold Wing owners, Harley owners, cage owners. Often times when we tell someone we own a motorcycle, the first thing out of their mouths are, "Do you own a Harley?" Our friends that have Gold Wings hope that one day we can own one too!?! My husband really likes his PC. It's great. It's the perfect bike. L. Nichols 97 PC800 Tabasco -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Cc: "Patricia hotmail" Subject: PC800: Fw: Honda rulez Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 06:09:38 +0200 A few months ago, Consumer Europe did a survey in Belgium, France, Italy, Spain, and Portugal. More than 5000 motorcyclists participated. Results: Most reliable: 1- Honda 12% (average of bikes with min. 1 defect/year) 2- BMW 15% 3- Suzuki 15% 4- Yamaha 15% 5- Kawasaki 19% 6- Triumph 22% 7- Harley D. 23% 8- Ducati 27% 9- Moto Guzzi 32% 10- Aprilia 34% Most recommended: 1- Honda CBR 1100 XX 2- Honda Pan European ST 1100 3- Honda VFR 750 4- Honda Gold Wing GL1500 5- BMW R 1100 RT 6- Suzuki GSX-R 750 SRAD Least recommended: 1- Suzuki GSX-F 600 2- Yamaha FZR 600 3- Yamaha XTZ 600 Ténéré 4- BMW K75S 5- Suzuki VX800 6- Kawasaki GPZ 500S This puts the Beemers in a more realistic place. >>>>>>>>>> (forwarded) Emile http://fly.to/emile -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rodneycarey@juno.com by m7.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EGZRLDPQ; Mon, 02 Aug 1999 05:53:36 EDT To: Emile@Cybercomm.nl Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:47:39 -0500 Subject: Re: PC800: Head shapes Emil, Funney you should say "Dutch Cheesehead", because right here in the good old State of Minnesota USA, we call the people from the State of Wisconsen "Cheeseheads" Just last week three Cheeseheads came over to Minnesota to fish. They were fishing from the back of their open pick-up truck bed which had been backed down to water side. The brakes on the truck failed causing the truck to roll backward into the lake. All three were drowned when they couldn't get the tailgate down and escape. Bon Ton Roulet! Rod Carey Mendota Hts, Minnesota 1994 Honda PC800... `Meadowlark' (`Monica`) Wong Wing `Thank You Philips Wong And Now "Buns Of Kevlar" And now "Tall Rifle" Snick.. Snick... Snick.... Snick..... = 90MPH On Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:13:33 +0200 "Emile Nossin" writes: >>Did you know that your helmet is either "Asian round" or Scottish >oval" in >>cross section? Beats me too but that's what my local dealer told me. >>Or is that "Asian oval" and" Scottish round"? >>Richard Proctor >NZ > >And don't forget "German square" heads... ; ) > >Emile >"Dutch Cheesehead" > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 08:21:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: Wranglers "Emile Nossin" writes: > Too bad they put the cordura on the wrong side of the pants..... > BMW has several (brand new) suits which offer a lot of cooling > combined with protection that can survive a slider, unlike these > pants or armored jeans. I don't know what you mean by the "wrong side of the pants." Every crash I have had that involved pantleg damage, always involved the fronts, especially the knee area. I would much prefer to have Cordura, which is approximately 14X more abrasion resistant, on the outside, than cotton, which is also more comfortable against the skin. I realize that these pants don't offer the same level of protection as purpose-designed garments; if I wanted serious protection, I would buy an Aerostich suit. However, there is also a lot of difference in cost between $40 and $300. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Selden Deemer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Barrett, Chris" To: "'RVPC800@aol.com'" Cc: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: PC800: Re: I LIKE my bike- I DONT want yours! Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 08:35:04 -0400 Welcome to herd mentality!! What better way to make yourself feel better about your purchase than to goad others about theirs? (especially when you spent $15,000 dollars!) I've heard every snide comment in the book about the PC, but never a simple explanation about why the darn thing seems to appreciate in value and not drop (according to Motorcycle Consumer News, the PC I purchased last year for 6000 is now worth 7030!!). Like I've said before, its image: The PC doesn't fit into the image that some (what I would consider misguided) individuals purchased their motorcycle to fit into. Thats fine: I bought my motorcycle to ride, not to tote around as a status symbol... Chris Barrett 1998 PC800 Columbus, Ohio -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of RVPC800@aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 8:43 AM To: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us; dwilkers@us.ibm.com Cc: klw@centuryinter.net; pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: I LIKE my bike- I DONT want yours! It happened again yesterday. I was riding with a group of mostly Gold Wingers. At lunch the topic was, as usual, motorcycles and motorcycle rides. And, unfortunately also as usual, came the questions aimed at me. "So! When are you going to get yourself a 'Wing?" I reply that I have no plans on purchasing one in that I like my present bike and plan on keeping it for a while. Then they will most likely say something like, "Well, save your money. Maybe someday you will be able to afford one." Now THIS really chaps my butt royal. I know that the Gold Wing is a fine machine, but it is not MY machine. If I wanted one, that is what I would be riding. AND if I wanted one, I would go down to the Honda dealer and write him a check for it. Cash. Some of these people do not even own their own homes yet they ride $20,000 motorcycles. One of them even lives with his parents! Puleeeeeese! Leave me alone about my wonderful Pacific Coast. If I want a machine that weighs a half a ton, gets worse gas mileage than my Camry, cost almost as much labor to put tires on it as the tires themselves cost, and by golly, NEEDS a reverse then I will buy one. I know that a few on the list have Wings and I am not putting them or you down, OK? I just wish that a lot of those out there would quit with the asinine thinking that the only reason that I ride a PC is that I can't afford a Wing. Note: This also holds true with a lot of Harley owners. Maybe even more so. Next time when someone ask me if I am have plans to purchase a machine like theirs, I am just going to say, "Nah. I already have the best bike out there. Why do I want to go to a lesser machine?" Russ Vernon '95 PC800 64,000 mi -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Gilb, Mark A" To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: PC800: Relief For Chapped Butt Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 07:50:54 -0500 Hey all, Read with some interest Russ Vernon's post about the Wingers giving him a hard time. Next time try this - 1. ) Put the title to your bike on the table and challenge any of them to race title for title (if any of them actually have clear title, don't forget to check for a lien to finance chrome accessories). 2.) Find a nice twisty road, preferable a two lane with lots of curves and elevation changes. 3.) Pick a starting and ending spot and race to the ending spot and back. First one back wins. 4.) After the race, pick up title to your bike plus newly acquired Gold Wing. 5.) Call someone with a truck to haul away the victory spoils. 6.) Auction off Wing and buy a PC in every other year that you don't have. 7.) Repeat as necessary to reinforce point. Most will learn after the third or fourth time. This method is also very effective with the HD (Hound Dog?) crowd but some additional cautions are advised - 1.) If at all possible, try to stay ahead of the HD during race. Falling behind could subject you to inevitable oil shower caused by the HD revving over 3,000 RPM. Oil, as we know, is slick and may cause the PC to handle as poorly as your competitor's mount. 2.) Given the inflated HD market, you will likely have cash left over after buying the other PCs. You may consider using the cash to acquire a plot of land on which to build a garage for your new-found collection. If you still have some cash left, consider color-matched Aerostich riding wear. Hope this helps you out, Russ. If not, maybe someone knows where to get an economy-sized ChapStick. Mark Gilb St. Louis, Mo. 95 PC800 (Black, by Gawd) "It's not the heat that makes it seem hot, it's the temperature" Dan Quayle, summer of 1999 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail1.noc0.hsacorp.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.1b5) with SMTP id 934516 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 02 Aug 1999 08:57:55 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: PC800: Observation of Riding Habits Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 08:42:50 -0400 type="text/plain"; While returning from vacation yesterday, I observed some notable riding behavior at one of those really long interstate traffic snags caused by road construction and reduction from two to one lane of traffic. There was a couple on a Harley (no helmets, of course), being followed by a couple on a Gold Wing (many wires between helmets and bike). They were in the left lane, and we passed one another several times while the traffic was inching forward toward the merge. Finally, the Harley driver decided he was going to squirt across the traffic to the shoulder, and race to the front that way. The Wing driver obviously didn't want to do this, but also didn't want to be left behind by his "friend", so they went for it. Both couples were similar in appearance (i.e. neither had the appearance of stereotypical "Harley roughnecks". My theory is that the Harley owner had it for the "prestige" (probably traded in his Wing for it) which somehow went to his head, resulting in the rude driving behavior. The way people behave in those traffic jams, they're lucky someone didn't "accidentally" throw a door open in front of them. I hope they got where they were going OK....quickly and safely.....I was in the jam from that point for an additional hour and 40 minutes. I'm not sure that there was really anything wrong with what they did (except for being illegal), and there may have been good reason...it was about 100 degrees at that point, and the chick on the back of the Harley was quite red in the face (embarrassment caused by the noisy machine?) I do believe, however, that this type of behavior creates ill-will among cage drivers who may already misunderstand and hold disdain for those of us on two wheels. Steve Zweigart Maysville, Kentucky -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail1.noc0.hsacorp.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.1b5) with SMTP id 934737 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 02 Aug 1999 09:21:02 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: PC800: NO PC (Woe be unto me.) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:05:58 -0400 type="text/plain"; I'm madder than hell. In late June, I called my local Honda dealer to schedule service (routine 4000-mi. variety.) He said I'd have to bring it in and leave it until they could get to it, which would take about 3 weeks. Said that their four-wheeler business has picked up so much that they hardly have time for bikes anymore. I told him that I'd be leaving on vacation last week of July, and could he take care of it that week. He said "sure" and wrote me in on his calendar. Called this morning to ask if it was ready. "Nope. Got four more work orders in front of yours. Might get to it this week." %$#@!! Come on now!!! (1) Isn't nine days enough for routine 4000-mi service? (2) How many work-orders should a shop be able to perform in a day? Since I didn't buy my bike from this shop, I was going to tip the service guy royally for treating me like one of their own customers. (Perhaps I should have taped the tip to the handlebars in advance.) At this point, I don't know whether to bear with them, or go get the bike and take it back to the SOB (VERY friendly...until I signed on the dotted line) who sold it to me to get it worked on. This is the first time I have ever taken a bike in for routine service. Are my expectations too high? What should I expect? Is this a case of "welcome to the real world?" Steve Zweigart Maysville, Kentucky -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Leonard (Lou) Berkley" To: "Mike Nichols" , , , Cc: , Subject: Re: PC800: Re: I LIKE my bike- I DONT want yours! Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:39:14 -0400 > their mouths are, "Do you own a Harley?" Our friends that have Gold Wings > hope that one day we can own one too!?! > > My husband really likes his PC. It's great. It's the perfect bike. > > Recently in a bar a lady asked if my motorcycle was a Harley and I told her that I had tried harleys and prefered motocycles. Leonard ( Lou) Berkley lberk@zoomnet.net PC 800, CB750, HSTA, HRC,AMA Life, STOC 110 "The weather is here, I wish you were Beautiful" Jimmy Buffett -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 09:15:44 -0500 To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" From: "R. Fenwick" Subject: Re: PC800: NO PC (Woe be unto me.) My advice would be a different dealer. Possibly an independent shop? I am fortunate to have 3 different Honda dealers within a 45 minute ride, but the closest overall is a really good independent that has been in business for over 25 years that is about 8 minutes from my house. (Well THE closest is the BMW Motorcycle dealership, but we won't go there...) Steve, I'm with you. This type of arrogant dealer behavior and attitude just drives me up the wall also... (with my cage vehicles too) I am also lucky that my boss is "buddy buddy" with the service manager at the Honda dealership here in town (of course, this is the one that charges a dollar a minute for labor.) If I take it to the independent, I will be taking the tupperware off myself before I take it in. I'm not sure if they've seen many PC's, and until I am confident that the tupperware is in good hands, I'll remove/reinstall it myself if possible. Case in point - quotes for a new front K555... Independent shop - Tire $94.00, installation $18.00 Honda dealership - Tire $108.00, installation $20.00 Almost 20 bucks more to know that it came from my loving local Honda shop? NO WAY! I also got a little miffed when the parts guy at the Honda shop told me that the K177's that are on my PC now should have NEVER been put on it... According to him, the ONLY thing Honda recommended for the PC was the K555. It was so DAMN HARD to keep a straight face listening to that... (WOW... my Honda service manual is wrong, it says K177's are the recommended tire, never mentions the 555......) :-) Rich Fenwick 1990 PC800L, 19,550 miles At 09:05 AM 8/2/99 -0400, Steven R. Zweigart wrote: >I'm madder than hell. In late June, I called my local Honda dealer to >schedule service (routine 4000-mi. variety.) He said I'd have to bring it >in and leave it until they could get to it, which would take about 3 weeks. >Said that their four-wheeler business has picked up so much that they hardly >have time for bikes anymore. I told him that I'd be leaving on vacation >last week of July, and could he take care of it that week. He said "sure" >and wrote me in on his calendar. > >Called this morning to ask if it was ready. "Nope. Got four more work >orders in front of yours. Might get to it this week." > >%$#@!! > >Come on now!!! (1) Isn't nine days enough for routine 4000-mi service? >(2) How many work-orders should a shop be able to perform in a day? > >Since I didn't buy my bike from this shop, I was going to tip the service >guy royally for treating me like one of their own customers. (Perhaps I >should have taped the tip to the handlebars in advance.) At this point, I >don't know whether to bear with them, or go get the bike and take it back to >the SOB (VERY friendly...until I signed on the dotted line) who sold it to >me to get it worked on. > >This is the first time I have ever taken a bike in for routine service. Are >my expectations too high? What should I expect? Is this a case of "welcome >to the real world?" > >Steve Zweigart >Maysville, Kentucky > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 09:37:59 -0500 To: "PC800" From: "R. Fenwick" Subject: Re: PC800: Head shapes I would have thought the classification for a German head would have been a German "hard head"... My mother is German and I "take" way too much after her side of the family... :-) Rich Fenwick At 07:13 PM 8/1/99 +0200, Emile Nossin wrote: >>Did you know that your helmet is either "Asian round" or Scottish oval" in >>cross section? Beats me too but that's what my local dealer told me. >>Or is that "Asian oval" and" Scottish round"? >>Richard Proctor >NZ > >And don't forget "German square" heads... ; ) > >Emile >"Dutch Cheesehead" > > > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Spain, Harrison" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: I LIKE my bike- I DONT want yours! Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 07:47:09 -0700 One of my favorites is "I'd rather ride than wrench..." ;-). Harrison -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 10:39:35 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: RVPC800@aol.com CC: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us, dwilkers@us.ibm.com, klw@centuryinter.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: I LIKE my bike- I DONT want yours! Now wait just a cotton picken second. RVPC800@aol.com wrote: >If I want a machine that weighs a half a ton, Well, yeah, ok, close anyways. >gets worse gas mileage than my Camry, 35 mpg hauling a trailer and two people through the Blue Ridge Parkway. 40 - 42 when alone. Now was that a 4 or 6 cylinder Camry? ;-) > cost almost as much labor to put tires on it as the tires themselves cost 1 hour labor (by a place that knows how to do them, 2 hours labor for those that do not). And the tires run $125 to $160. > and by golly, NEEDS a reverse Well, yeah, ok again, it does. But without it I would like to see someone push 500 lbs of trailer and 900 lbs of bike out of a downhill spot I stopped at on the Blue Ridge. :-) There were several bikers at this place we stopped and as I pulled in and shut her down, one walked by and with a smile on his face said, "that bike must surely have reverse, to pull in like that". Then I realized what I had done. Oh well, worked just dandy! Tommy(I promise not to bug anyone about what they "should" buy)Teal -- 93 SE 95 Hannigan 97 Pacific Coast 98 V-Star Classic (Black Cherry over Crimson) GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Wranglers Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 16:55:53 +0200 >I don't know what you mean by the "wrong side of the pants." Every >crash I have had that involved pantleg damage, always involved the >fronts, especially the knee area. I would much prefer to have Cordura, >which is approximately 14X more abrasion resistant, on the outside, >than cotton, which is also more comfortable against the skin. Me too, you're right. My sliders involved a butt / side slides. I should have said "Too bad the cordura isn't all over the pants". But there are plenty of all cordura pants around. I think mine was around $150 USD. It's also waterproof. >I realize that these pants don't offer the same level of protection >as purpose-designed garments; if I wanted serious protection, I would >buy an Aerostich suit. However, there is also a lot of difference in >cost between $40 and $300. >Selden Well, yes..the $40 pants would have cost me a lot more on skin craft if I would have worn them in my 30 mph slider. Now I walked away and actually use the same pants. They came out undamaged. As the test said (if you do Dutch), the armored jeans were allready worn enough after 20 meters when the speed had increased to 9 mph, let alone 30 mph... So the $40 pants could have become pretty expensive. I have allready earned back the $150 investment. YMMV I guess.... Emile http://fly.to/emile -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Observation of Riding Habits Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:19:48 +0200 >I was in the jam from that point for an additional hour and >40 minutes. >I'm not sure that there was really anything wrong with what they did (except >for being illegal), and there may have been good reason...it was about 100 >degrees at that point.... >Steve You actually stopped in a traffic jam ? I didn't know lane splitting (I believe this is the right word for riding between lanes of traffic jams) was illegal in the "free country". It is legal here (and Germany too since some months) and so very logical to me. Why the hell would I stop in a traffic jam when I'm not causing it ? There's no point (beside the point of wearing a helmet, a full cordura suit and gloves on a non-airconditioned bike in the middle of a heatwave while standing in a line you're not causing)....luckily the law in this country agree with that....Riding the shoulder or emergency lane is illegal offcourse.... Damn, I feel lucky to live in a sane thinking country ; ) Emile '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" http://fly.to/emile -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 11:22:31 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: "Steven R. Zweigart" CC: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: Re: PC800: NO PC (Woe be unto me.) Steven R. Zweigart wrote: > Come on now!!! (1) Isn't nine days enough for routine 4000-mi service? > (2) How many work-orders should a shop be able to perform in a day? 1) Sure is. 2) Depends on the level of incompetency. Sounds like this guy has reached a new plateau. I know you have limited options with getting service, so there isn't much you can do but vent. > This is the first time I have ever taken a bike in for routine service. Are > my expectations too high? What should I expect? Is this a case of "welcome > to the real world?" No, your expectations are not too high. It is pretty obvious he does not want to work on your bike and is doing everything possible to avoid it. When I had my flat tire, I was able to get worked in and was out by 1:00 pm. At a place that did not know me from Adam. When I have taken any bike in for service (with an appointment) the dealer had it done the same day, and he is always busy, but he keeps his appointments. I would suggest that you contact your only other option, the place you bought from and see if you get a better response. Don't count on it, but try anyways. A dealer here in Lansing, who I would rather never deal with again, are like that, so your finding of rude, obnoxious, lazy, self-centered sales and service people is not at all unknown. One other option. Contact the local Honda representative (call Honda or ask your local dealer) and bitch royally to him about this. Some care a lot, some not so much, but it does sometimes help. Good luck. TommyTeal -- 93 SE 95 Hannigan 97 Pacific Coast 98 V-Star Classic (Black Cherry over Crimson) GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:55:17 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 10:38:44 +0000 From: "E.Y. MurphEY" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: unsubscribe unsubscribe please went to BMW 1200 -- E.Y. MurphEY voice: (h) 610.259.9861 'within everything is the seed of its apparent contradiction'... a whistle for the metaphored frog. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PeteO" To: "Steven R. Zweigart" , "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: Re: PC800: NO PC (Woe be unto me.) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:09:04 -0500 sounds like a crock to me. I bought my PC from my friend in Denver. before I bought it I visited him and rode the bike. it just happened that it needed its 6000 mile tune-up. we took it into excel Honda were he had bought it. they had it in and out in 4 hours. I think you are getting shafted. sounds like your dealer has to much business(is he the only game in town) to really care if you come in or not!! ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Steven R. Zweigart To: 'PC800 Mailing List' Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 8:05 AM Subject: PC800: NO PC (Woe be unto me.) > I'm madder than hell. In late June, I called my local Honda dealer to > schedule service (routine 4000-mi. variety.) He said I'd have to bring it > in and leave it until they could get to it, which would take about 3 weeks. > Said that their four-wheeler business has picked up so much that they hardly > have time for bikes anymore. I told him that I'd be leaving on vacation > last week of July, and could he take care of it that week. He said "sure" > and wrote me in on his calendar. > > Called this morning to ask if it was ready. "Nope. Got four more work > orders in front of yours. Might get to it this week." > > %$#@!! > > Come on now!!! (1) Isn't nine days enough for routine 4000-mi service? > (2) How many work-orders should a shop be able to perform in a day? > > Since I didn't buy my bike from this shop, I was going to tip the service > guy royally for treating me like one of their own customers. (Perhaps I > should have taped the tip to the handlebars in advance.) At this point, I > don't know whether to bear with them, or go get the bike and take it back to > the SOB (VERY friendly...until I signed on the dotted line) who sold it to > me to get it worked on. > > This is the first time I have ever taken a bike in for routine service. Are > my expectations too high? What should I expect? Is this a case of "welcome > to the real world?" > > Steve Zweigart > Maysville, Kentucky > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. <37A5B7B7.60E0@voyager.net> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:14:28 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: NO PC (Woe be unto me.) >Steven R. Zweigart wrote: > > > Come on now!!! (1) Isn't nine days enough for routine 4000-mi service? > > (2) How many work-orders should a shop be able to perform in a day? > It's more than enough. Here in Ottawa I can drive in any time and wait for an oil change, and other routine service (clutch fluid top check, tire installation, etc. ) Of course......it's not a Honda dealer. It's the Kawasaki dealer....the Honda dealer took 36 days to replace the fuel pump on my PC800, so you can understand why I don't go there for service. I figure an oil change would be 12 days, and putting air in the tires would take a week. I'd try the dealer you bought from. The service manager may be a better person to deal with than the sales guy/owner. If the service still sucks, call Honda Customer service and politely ask them if there are any authorized Honda dealers in your area. When they mention the name of your current dealer, tell them "No..I need a dealer authorized for motorcycle repair." If they tell you this dealer is authorized, then casually mention how they must be mistaken, since this dealer clearly indicated it would take almost two weeks to perform the 4,000 mile service A true Honda dealer should be able to do it in less than a day. Don't forget to mention that $6,000 motorcycle's get bumped out of turn when service is required on $3,000 ATV's. Aren't you glad the PC800 is so reliable? Can you imagine what it would be like of it wasn't? Ride safe... fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.2-32 #34071) 2 Aug 1999 11:12:58 -0500 (CDT) Mon, 02 Aug 1999 09:11:51 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 09:04:40 -0700 From: M Ham Subject: PC800: Painting the PC To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu BOUNDARY="Boundary_(ID_HaQIhS5fDpgtHoKfwWW4HQ)" X-MSMail-priority: Normal --Boundary_(ID_HaQIhS5fDpgtHoKfwWW4HQ) I have been giving serious thought into painting my bright red '96 PC a different color. Something a little more earthy than bright red. Has anyone on the list had their PC painted professionally or painted their PC themselves? What were the results and was it worth the price or hassle? I only want to have the upper half painted not the lower. The red is what I want to change. On my way to work the other day in El Dorado Hills California (in my cage), I saw a dark green PC and it looked awesome. If it wasn't for the fact that I was in my car, I would have chased them down to ask a couple of questions. I know some will say that the bright red makes the PC stand out more and I don't buy it. Especially when viewing the bike from the front. Between the tire, radiator grill, headlight and windshield, not much of the color is seen or noticeable. Any input? Mark Ham '96 Pacific Coast --Boundary_(ID_HaQIhS5fDpgtHoKfwWW4HQ)
I have been giving serious thought into painting my bright red '96 PC a different color.  Something a little more earthy than bright red.  Has anyone on the list had their PC painted professionally or painted their PC themselves?  What were the results and was it worth the price or hassle?  I only want to have the upper half painted not the lower.  The red is what I want to change.
 
On my way to work the other day in El Dorado Hills California (in my cage), I saw a dark green PC and it looked awesome.  If it wasn't for the fact that I was in my car, I would have chased them down to ask a couple of questions.   I know some will say that the bright red makes the PC stand out more and I don't buy it.  Especially when viewing the bike from the front.  Between the tire, radiator grill, headlight and windshield, not much of the color is seen or noticeable.  Any input?
 
Mark Ham
'96 Pacific Coast
--Boundary_(ID_HaQIhS5fDpgtHoKfwWW4HQ)-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 12:21:28 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: M Ham CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Painting the PC M Ham wrote: Any input? > > Mark Ham > '96 Pacific Coast Think Teal. :-) TommyTeal -- 93 SE 95 Hannigan 97 Pacific Coast 98 V-Star Classic (Black Cherry over Crimson) GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: raml@bus.usc.edu by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.2-32 #34071) 2 Aug 1999 11:44:52 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 09:42:01 -0800 Subject: Re(2): PC800: Re: I LIKE my b To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu When people ask me why I don't get a HD, I tell them that I thought about it, but wanted a bike I could ride everyday. The other day a classmate, (Boeing Engineer) asked if my bike was a Ducati. Told him "no, I thought about buying one, but wanted a bike I could ride everyday." He said yeah, I heard maintenance on those can be a pain. '97 4K Steve -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Arvid_L=F8vik?= To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: 594 messages waiting !! Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:21:30 +0200 Hi group, We have been on a 2 weeks vacation to visit Torill's parentys and = relatives in and around Kristiansund. I forgot to sign off the list and has now gone through the 100's of = messages!!! The tour has been very nice with lots of sun and good temperatures. We was a little week on the small island Torill parents come from and = was weather bound there for two days due to hurricane winds and Torill's = brother did not dare to ship us with his little boat to the mainland. We rode about 2000 miles and Torill has got a lot of experience and are = trusting her riding abillities more now. A few hundred of these miles = where on gravel roads. Some pictures from the trip will be put on Our homepage in the next few = days. Even saw a 90 PC for sale outside a carshop in Molde. I had to turn = around a have a closer look . 16000 miles and a asking price of 67k. NOK = . ( about US $ 8.5 k) - Very cheap!!!!! Regards Arvid, Torill and Vidar=20 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 12:30:35 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Roger Nash Subject: PC800: Weekend Trip Thought I would write a note to tell you about the trip I took to Colorado this weekend. My friend Ray and I rode our bikes to Colorado Springs Friday morning traveling on Hwy 94, a long boring road. Ray has an 81 ST1100 Honda and I have a 94 PC. After lunch we rode thrugh the mountians up to Leadville on Hwy 24 then on to Breckenridge. Very beautiful scenery all the way. The PC was able to keep up with the ST pretty well but I think Ray was taking it easy on this old man. It was fun working on the cornering skills with those twisty mountian roads. We stopped for the night at a National Parks Campground north of Breckenridge. Unfortunately, we waited too long to find a campsite and had to go to three before we were able to get one. It was full too but the camp host felt sorry for us and told us we could park our bikes at his spot and walk to the hiker camp space. By this time it was raining and about dark. We managed to set up our tents in the rain and dark without any problem. Glad we set them up at home first. We settled in for the night and it continued to rain until the early morning hours. I thought it would never stop. The next morning we rode into Breckenridge to have breakfast at a little resturaunt called the Blue Moose. Very good pancakes. Afterward we rode back to the campsite and took down the tents. The sun came out for a little while so we were able to dry them out before packing up. >From there we rode over the mountian to a town called Evergreen. We had a nice lunch at a little mexican food place called B.J's. It is built right up against a rock face like all the other buildings on that street. We sat up on the balcony and ate while watching the cars drive by. From there we rode on to Frisco. We were pelted with rain comming over the mountians. We had intended to ride on to Winterpark to find another camp site but a major storm was heading our way and caught us before we could leave. We decided to go into Denver instead so we traveled I-70. By the time we reached Denver the rain was comming down so hard it was far too dangerous to stay on the interstate with the bikes. The water was running like a river. I was running a fairly new Metzler rear tire and the PC stayed very stable even under these conditions. I was surprised that the bike didn't feel unstable at all even running in flowing water. I think the good rear tire had was the key here. That was the heaviest rain I have ever been it up till now and I hope it remains so. Sunday morning we took off early but the rain still followed us all the way home on I-70. Ray was wearing one of those Aerostitch suits and stayed pretty dry. I was wearing my Joe Rocket Ballistic jacket. The Aerostitch did better at keeping Ray dry than the Ballistic jacket did on me. Even so, with the rain as heavy as it was we both experienced a little water intrusion around the zippers even with the rain flys closed. The worst part of the rain was on my feet since I didn't have riding boots. My feet got fairly soaked as did my pant cuff. The PC offered very good rain protection under all but the heaviest conditions. Even with the rain, it was a great bike trip. Next time I hope we get to do more camping. The PC carried my tent, sleeping bag and other supplies with ease. The light sleeping bag and air mattress was carried in a bag straped to the rear seat and the heavier tent and things were in the trunk. It worked out very well. Try it sometime, you will like it. Roger -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Desmond Cockburn" To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: I LIKE my bike- I DONT want yours! Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 10:44:07 PDT Russ replies with the following: >And, unfortunately also as usual, came the questions aimed at me. "So! When >are you going to get yourself a 'Wing?" Amen brother !! My usual response is, "I'm not old enough to ride a Wing yet." I also don't wish to offend any current Wing riders but a Wing just doesn't fit my style of riding at the moment. I usually ride solo and I pack light as I do my camping at a Motel 6. I have yet to ride into a situation and out the other side and wished I had had a Wing at that moment. Oh, except for the darn seat and bars on the PC and neither is adjustable on the Wing either. Could be wrong on that. In fact, offer me a choice between a new Wing or a new Kawasaki Nomad, keeping the PC in reserve and I would opt for the Nomad. Offer me the choice between a new Wing and whatever Honda comes up with to augment their V twin tourer line and I would again opt for the V twin with the PC held in reserve. But given the choice between my PC or a new Wing and you'll find me cruising down the Road on my 95 PC. Des 95 PC, Dream Weaver Okmulgee, Ok. "When reality looks too ugly, just fantasize. It can't hurt." Jimmy Buffett _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Steve_Steinsapir@taxfin.adp.com via smtpd (for sjc3-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.122]) with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 22:38:24 UT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:47:30 -0700 Subject: PC800: New Member I'm a new PC800 owner and am new to motorcycles. I just graduated from the Motorcycle safety course last Saturday. I have about a total of under 200 miles under my rear. Here is the pertinant information: Name: Steven Steinsapir Location: San Gabriel Valley - Los Angeles Email: Steve_Steinsapir@taxfin.adp.com or techgod@usa.net (preferred) PC model year: 1989 - 21k miles Bought used: June 1999 Stock bike The bike has two problems with it. 1) minor damage to the faring on the left side, and 2) the front fender center piece has a crack on it. I am in the process of trying to find a place that will be able to repair this damage. I don't think that the piece will fall off, but it does make noise every time I go over a bump in the road. If anyone knows of a replacement piece or someplace in the eastern San Gabriel valley/Pomona Valley that can help me repair the damage, I would appreciate hearing back from you. Thanks in advance Steve -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 16:19:07 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: Steve_Steinsapir@taxfin.adp.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: New Member Steve_Steinsapir@taxfin.adp.com wrote: > > I'm a new PC800 owner and am new to motorcycles. I just graduated from the > Motorcycle safety course last Saturday. I have about a total of under 200 miles > under my rear. > > Here is the pertinant information: > > Name: Steven Steinsapir > Location: San Gabriel Valley - Los Angeles > Email: Steve_Steinsapir@taxfin.adp.com or techgod@usa.net (preferred) > PC model year: 1989 - 21k miles > Bought used: June 1999 > Stock bike > > The bike has two problems with it. 1) minor damage to the faring on the left > side, and 2) the front fender center piece has a crack on it. I am in the > process of trying to find a place that will be able to repair this damage. I > don't think that the piece will fall off, but it does make noise every time I go > over a bump in the road. > > If anyone knows of a replacement piece or someplace in the eastern San Gabriel > valley/Pomona Valley that can help me repair the damage, I would appreciate > hearing back from you. Welcome aboard Steve. And you are in such luck. There is a member on this very list that does that work and from what I have heard, does it very well. I am sure many others will enlighten you as to where to get ahold of this craftsman. Again, welcome. TommyTeal -- 93 SE 95 Hannigan 97 Pacific Coast 98 V-Star Classic (Black Cherry over Crimson) GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by Lesothosaurus.big-orange.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:57:33 +0200 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ron Jansen" To: "pc800" Subject: PC800: Traffic jam Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:08:26 +0200 What did you do wrong to be punished like this, stand still in a traffic = jam for 1 hour and 40 mins?. This is pure torture and against human = rights i am sure. Dutch law states (maybe you can write this to your congress) , a = motorcycle may pass in between the two left most lanes when traffic is = doing less than 30 miles and the difference in speed between the cages = and the bike may not exceed approx. 13 miles. We still have to be very = carefull because not every cager is aware of this rule and/or is filled = with envy, but i find that more and more cager are getting aware of = these rules and make room so bikes can pass. Currently there is a = campaign in Holland to make cagers more aware of bikes, stats show that = in most accidents the cager didn,t SEE the bike so it still up to us to = drive as defensifly as we can. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Spain, Harrison" To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: PC800: Motorcycle ratings on Deja.com :-) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:16:06 -0700 I hope this link works :-) http://www.deja.com/rate/list_items.xp?CID=11918&PCID=11767&N=0 Not worth a lot of effort but our intrepid PC800 is on the list :-). Look under "Pacific Coast". Harrison -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 16:18:47 -0500 To: "PC800" From: "R. Fenwick" Subject: PC800: A "winger" test rides my PC Yesterday afternoon, my next door neighbor, Denny, who owns a '93 Goldwing, finally came over and asked me if he could take my PC out for a spin. He had been wanting to take it out for a spin since shortly after I had got it. I guess I should had offered, I just didn't realize he wanted to take it out so badly. I had ridden it to church that morning, had it all cleaned up, shined up, and gassed up, and had it sitting on the driveway in the shade. I told him sure, he went and grabbed his helmet, and off he went on it. While he was gone, I chatted with his son, Tom, a newly certified MSF instructor. When Denny came back, he was an enlightened person. He had a smile on his face and said that it was better than he had thought, all the way around. We discussed a few of his observations, and then Tom said to me "Would you mind if I took it out too?" Heck no! Tom basically had the same reaction as his dad. He was particularly impressed with how easy the PC was to manage while having it in a lean. He said that when he put it in a lean, he was surprised to see that it just "stayed" in the lean, and once he flicked it back upwards, how easily it just stood back up. "Almost BMW'ish" was his comment So, they are both "enlightened" now. Denny told me anytime I wanted to take the wing out.... I was thinking to myself... "No offense, but no thanks." Maybe next year... ;-) Rich Fenwick 1990 PC800L, 19,500 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BMillman@aol.com for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:20:46 EDT Subject: PC800: PC 800 Rally - U.K. To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Greetings to all PCers from a very warm U.K. where we are in the middle of a heatwave right now with temperatures around the 90's and the mandatory English thunderstorm every evening. We now know what it must be like riding around Arizona and California - or maybe Florida with the thunderstorms? Great fun! This weekend I am off to Wales (all mountains and sheep) to the first ever PC Rally in the UK. Apparently there are some 25 to 30 PCs expected for the two day event, so it should be quite a sight. I never knew there was 30 PCs in the UK! I will be taking my digital camera so I will be able to get some 'pics' of this very rare site come rain or come shine. I will be signing off for the weekend, but I will be back next week with a report of how us UK PCers enjoy ourselves given some mountains, some sheep and a load of rain - the mind boggles! Safe riding Brian Millman Reading England 90PC - Candy Red (The Palm Tree PC) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 16:25:34 -0500 To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" From: "R. Fenwick" Subject: Re: PC800: Motorcycle ratings on Deja.com :-) > HEY! Lets all make our opinions known and get over beloved PC a little higher on that list! Rich Fenwick At 02:16 PM 8/2/99 -0700, Spain, Harrison wrote: >I hope this link works :-) > > http://www.deja.com/rate/list_items.xp?CID=11918&PCID=11767&N=0 > >Not worth a lot of effort but our intrepid PC800 is on the list :-). Look >under "Pacific Coast". > >Harrison >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:26:40 -0400 From: Dave Bartlett To: "R. Fenwick" Cc: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: Re: PC800: Motorcycle ratings on Deja.com :-) On Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 04:25:34PM -0500, R. Fenwick wrote: -> -> HEY! Lets all make our opinions known and get over beloved PC a little -> higher on that list! As if you were *actually* going to beat a Interstate Valkyrie.... :) - dlb -- +----------------------+----------------------+-------------------------+ | Dave Bartlett | Email: dlb@cisco.com | '98 Valkyrie Tourer | | System Administrator | | '99 Valkyrie Interstate | | | | | +----------------------+----------------------+-------------------------+ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 16:26:45 -0500 <37A57530.4466C1B8@forum.swarthmore.edu> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:16:43 -0400 To: forum.swarthmore.edu@erols.com From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: unsubscribe Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 10:38 AM +0000 8/2/99, E.Y. MurphEY wrote: >unsubscribe please >went to BMW 1200 > >-- >E.Y. MurphEY congratulations! So tell us...which State Lottery did you win? fsl :-) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail1.noc0.hsacorp.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.1b5) with SMTP id 943881; Mon, 02 Aug 1999 17:36:48 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" , "Ron Jansen" Subject: Re: PC800: Traffic jam Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:21:49 -0400 A long time ago, I remember someone listing several states that allow "lane splitting" in the US. I'm not sure it's a bad idea, when deployed safely. There seems to be a very strong attitude over here that "If I have to wait in line, so does everyone else." This is followed by the attitude that "If anyone else tries to get ahead of me in line, I will make their life miserable." This can be observed by tractor-trailer rigs (or other rednecks) "pairing up" and straddling lines to prevent ANYONE from passing until the lane-narrowing place is reached. Gets sort of interesting when the cause of the slow-down is actually an accident instead of construction, and the emergency vehicles can't get through! Steve Zweigart Maysville, Kentucky '97 PC800 (In the shop.) ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Jansen To: pc800 Sent: Monday, 02 August 1999 17:08 Subject: PC800: Traffic jam What did you do wrong to be punished like this, stand still in a traffic jam for 1 hour and 40 mins?. This is pure torture and against human rights i am sure. Dutch law states (maybe you can write this to your congress) , a motorcycle may pass in between the two left most lanes when traffic is doing less than 30 miles and the difference in speed between the cages and the bike may not exceed approx. 13 miles. We still have to be very carefull because not every cager is aware of this rule and/or is filled with envy, but i find that more and more cager are getting aware of these rules and make room so bikes can pass. Currently there is a campaign in Holland to make cagers more aware of bikes, stats show that in most accidents the cager didn,t SEE the bike so it still up to us to drive as defensifly as we can. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 16:59:28 -0500 To: Dave Bartlett From: "R. Fenwick" Subject: Re: PC800: Motorcycle ratings on Deja.com :-) Cc: "'PC800 Mailing List'" <4.1.19990802162403.00a0fb80@medusa.nn.com> Everyone, please note that the highly touted "number one" bike only has 18 (eighteen) total ratings, and only beats the next 5 bikes (which have well over 800 ratings combined) by only .1 (one-tenth of a point) overall. Ooooh. Wow! Such a *convincing* # 1 rating. 18 people like theirs. I think I'll get a home equity loan and run out and buy one with those kind of impressive numbers.... Or, I'll just take on a "car" sized payment for the next 4 to 5 years... Better yet, I'll stick with my PC that is paid off and that I have the title to in the lockbox. Sorry - The numbers, and not the hype, really tell the tale... I guess that I shouldn't expect the PC to beat a bike that is rated so highly by so few .... :-) Rich Fenwick 1990 PC800L, 19,550 miles At 05:26 PM 8/2/99 -0400, Dave Bartlett wrote: >On Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 04:25:34PM -0500, R. Fenwick wrote: >-> >-> HEY! Lets all make our opinions known and get over beloved PC a little >-> higher on that list! > >As if you were *actually* going to beat a Interstate Valkyrie.... :) > > - dlb > >-- > >+----------------------+----------------------+-------------------------+ >| Dave Bartlett | Email: dlb@cisco.com | '98 Valkyrie Tourer | >| System Administrator | | '99 Valkyrie Interstate | >| | | | >+----------------------+----------------------+-------------------------+ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rpattee@g-net.net by InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-12 #23426) 2 Aug 1999 18:17:48 EDT Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 22:21:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: PC800: Traffic jam *Lane Splitting* To: pc800 Reply-to: rpattee@g-net.net Lane splitting is decided on a state by state basis here in the United States. Obviously some states allow it, and some don't.=20 Our form of government allows that the states have the ability to govern themselves. Example....lane splitting is illegal in the State of Georgia, as noted below from my handy dandy Georgia code book (issued to every police officer within the state). Motor Vehicles and Traffic; Uniform Rules of the Road. Part 2-Motorcycles. Section 40-6-312; (a) All motorcycles are entitle to full use of a lane, and no motor vehicle shall be driven in such a manner as to deprive any motorcycle of the full us of a lane. This subsection shall not apply to motorcycles operated two abreast in a single lane. (b) The operator of a motorcycle shall not overtake and pass in the same lane occupied by the vehicle being overtaken. (c) No person shall operate a motorcycle between lanes of traffic or between adjacent lines or rows of vehicles. (d) Motorcycles shall not be operated more then two abreast in a single lane. (e) A person operating a motorcycle shall at all times keep his headlights and taillights illuminated. (f) Subsections (b) and (c) of this Code section shall not apply to police officers in the performance of their official duties. Roger.... I am not a complete idiot...some parts are missing. web page at: http://members.tripod.com/~Motordawg/index.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 18:00:51 -0500 From: Ralph Couey To: Ron Jansen CC: pc800 Subject: Re: PC800: Traffic jam Ron, Here in the Great Midwest, white-lining is an open invitation to get a door opened in your face. I wish everyone was as nice as Der Nederlanders. Ralph Couey Columbia, Missouri, USA > Ron Jansen wrote: > > What did you do wrong to be punished like this, stand still in a > traffic jam for 1 hour and 40 mins?. This is pure torture and against > human rights i am sure. > Dutch law states (maybe you can write this to your congress) , a > motorcycle may pass in between the two left most lanes when traffic is > doing less than 30 miles and the difference in speed between the cages > and the bike may not exceed approx. 13 miles. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.2-32 #34071) 2 Aug 1999 18:39:55 -0500 (CDT) 02 Aug 1999 16:38:47 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 16:32:15 -0700 From: M Ham Subject: Re: PC800: Traffic jam To: Ron Jansen , Ralph Couey Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu X-MSMail-priority: Normal <37A62323.A867FF70@earthlink.net> Ron, I just simply don't understand the mentality of someone opening their car door to a motorcycle. Here in California, it's illegal to open you door if it will block traffic or be unsafe. (violation section 22517 CVC opening and closing doors). Also, nowhere in the California vehicle code does it say lane splitting is legal. On the flip side, it also doesn't say that it is illegal. In other words, "the man" has no violation section to cite a motorcyclist for if they are splitting lanes. Unless of course it's done in an unsafe manner... My 2 cents.... Mark Ham '96 Pacific Coast Ron wrote, > Here in the Great Midwest, white-lining is an open invitation to get a > door opened in your face. I wish everyone was as nice as Der > Nederlanders. > > Ralph Couey > Columbia, Missouri, USA > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ahall77379@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:58:31 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: Re: I LIKE my bike- I DONT want yours! To: desmond_cockburn@hotmail.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 8/2/99 12:46:50 PM Central Daylight Time, desmond_cockburn@hotmail.com writes: > a new Kawasaki Nomad, > keeping the PC in reserve and I would opt for the Nomad. I DO like the Nomad alot too Alan in Houston 89' PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 16:36:27 -0800 From: jgoula To: PC800 Subject: PC800: Travel tip No. 7,546b Before heading out, perouse the catalogs for part numbers to see which wear items are the same as other bikes (i.e. brake pads, oil filter, etc.) That way if you ever need something like that and you come across a dealer who has never even seen a PC800, you can say "I need front brake pads for a CBR 1000". My local dealer told me they did't have them in stock (for the PC) but right there on the display they had them for the CBR. No big loss, since I got them for half their price via mail order. Oh, yeah, another example of price gouging by dealers: They charged me $30.45 per bearing for the front wheel. The local bearing house had them for $9.00 a piece. -- Juan Antonio Goula Fairbanks, Alaska Lat.: 64.85°N, Long.: 147.72°W "There is only one difference between a non-rider and me. I am not mad." (with apologies to Salvador Dalí) ------------------------------------------------- School of Fisheries and Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks (907)474-5520 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 16:40:27 -0800 From: jgoula To: PC800 Subject: PC800: Shop tip No. 9,876 Note to self: Whenever you need to cut a power lead connector: a) make sure at least one of the battery leads is disconnected or, b) cut one pole at a time or, c) have a fire extinguisher ready to deal with the fireworks (DUH!) Thankfully permanent damage was limited to a small 1/16" size dimple in the tupperware where the cable got so hot it melted into the side of the bike. -- Juan Antonio Goula Fairbanks, Alaska Lat.: 64.85°N, Long.: 147.72°W "There is only one difference between a non-rider and me. I am not mad." (with apologies to Salvador Dalí) ------------------------------------------------- School of Fisheries and Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks (907)474-5520 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RickCorwn@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 20:47:31 EDT Subject: RE: PC800: Re: I LIKE my bike- I DONT want yours! To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, cbarrett@ocsea.org Chris Barrett wrote: >Like I've said before, its image: The PC doesn't fit into the image >that some (what I would consider misguided) individuals purchased their >motorcycle to fit into. Thats fine: I bought my motorcycle to ride, >not to tote around as a status symbol... To quote my favorite MC ad for the new Victory; It's a free country, act like it! Ride swift, ride safe Rick Corwine -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 21:53:53 -0500 From: Ralph Couey To: RickCorwn@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, cbarrett@ocsea.org Subject: Re: PC800: Re: I LIKE my bike- I DONT want yours! You're never alone if you like the Nomad. After all, "Nomad is an island Nomad walks alone..." Of course, if you don't care for that bike, you could exist in Nomad's land. And you could write a musical and call it "No, No, Nomad." Don't worry.... I completely sane! I Nomad! Yeah, it's late... Ralph Couey Columbia, MO -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. via SMTP by worldaccessnet.com, id smtpdAAAa003Rl; Mon Aug 2 20:48:00 1999 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "SLSwenson" To: "PC800 List" Subject: PC800: Later Stator's in 89 PC's? Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:58:57 -0700 I just received my rebuilt stator from Rick's Cycle of New Hampshire ($125!). Unfortunately, it has the single-plug wiring harness from the post-89 PCs, instead of the two-plug harness used in '89. Anyone have any thoughts on how to adapt this stator to my '89 PC? DId Honda sell an adapter cable? It took almost two weeks to get, and was the only one they had, so I'd rather find a solution than return it. Thanks, Scott Swenson Vancouver, WA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 22:08:47 -0600 From: M & S To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Need Clearview's Email or Phone. I'm headingdown from Canada to the Sturgis Rally next week, and I'd like to arrange to have "Clearview" deliver one of their PC800 windshields to a local cycle shop in that vicinity for me to pick up while I'm there. I've tried contacting them, but I get no response via email (Clearview@bewellnet.com ) and the 1-800-798-6089 number I was given for them is non-operative. Can anyone give me an up to date email address, or phone number ? Thanks, Murray Wagner 89 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kidbys@webtv.net (shelley kidby) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 21:20:42 -0700 (PDT) To: steve_z@writeme.com (Steven R. Zweigart) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu ('PC800 Mailing List'), erel.jee@sp-plus.nl (Ron Jansen) Subject: Re: PC800: Traffic jam Steve, I reckon you have never driven a truck or tried to earn your bread by getting from pont A to point B in a safe, efficient profitable manner, else you wouldn't hammer the big rigs. Sometimes we block the WHOLE freeway 'cause the policeman asked us to via CB. Sometimes we travel side by side in an attempt to keep the slow flow moving. We almost always have our radios on when there is a delay occuring; therefore, we know what's up ahead. Many times the cages slip by just to get in the lane the trucks are in and create more delay by bringng everyone to a hault! A little more patience by all and the delay will no be so bad, lane splitting or not. Jerry Kidby -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kidbys@webtv.net (shelley kidby) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 21:28:41 -0700 (PDT) To: BMillman@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: PC 800 Rally - U.K. Sounds almost like a Y2K gathering! Too bad they dont have Hwy 1! My son just returned from Lakenheath AFB enroute to Georgia, so I know the English have narrow twisty roads and cliffs etal. Enjoy the gathering, our hearts be with ye! Jerry Kidby Portland, OR -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kidbys@webtv.net (shelley kidby) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 21:44:25 -0700 (PDT) To: wagg01@sk.sympatico.ca Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Need Clearview's Email or Phone. 22:08:47 -0600 --WebTV-Mail-1076-13755 Murray' get your Clearview through Sport Touring Accessories in Dillsboro, NC 1-800-889-5550 or email pemble@dnet.net. Shipping is only $4.00 anywhere in USA! Give them whatever address you want it delivered to, STA has Clearview ship direct to those of us on west coast - worked great for me! Price is same w/STA or Clearview, so use STA! Good Luck, happy touring! Jerry Kidby 90PC Portland, OR --WebTV-Mail-1076-13755 postoffice-233.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 21:20:50 -0700 (PDT) mailsorter-102-3.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id VAA15597; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 21:20:46 -0700 (PDT) bart.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAC12378; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:11:15 -0500 (CDT) XAA00852 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:11:13 -0500 (CDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 22:08:47 -0600 From: M & S To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Need Clearview's Email or Phone. I'm headingdown from Canada to the Sturgis Rally next week, and I'd like to arrange to have "Clearview" deliver one of their PC800 windshields to a local cycle shop in that vicinity for me to pick up while I'm there. I've tried contacting them, but I get no response via email (Clearview@bewellnet.com ) and the 1-800-798-6089 number I was given for them is non-operative. Can anyone give me an up to date email address, or phone number ? Thanks, Murray Wagner 89 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. --WebTV-Mail-1076-13755-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 01:20:55 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: Re: I LIKE my bike- I DONT want yours! To: bmwk75@earthlink.net, RickCorwn@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, cbarrett@ocsea.org In a message dated 8/2/99 8:55:46 PM Mountain Daylight Time, bmwk75@earthlink.net writes: << Don't worry.... I completely sane! I Nomad! >> Ralph! Ralph! Get a grip man! What is WRONG with you????????????? My God, fellow! Next thing you know you will be riding a (shudder) RED motorcycle!!!!!!! Russ Vernon -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 02:16:55 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jim Alexander" To: "M Ham" , "Ron Jansen" , "Ralph Couey" Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: Traffic jam Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:15:35 -0700 Mark, There are a few sections they can ticket us under, although I can't quote the sections here are the normal violations used: Unsafe Lane Change (if you cross the white line while traveling in between the cars) Illegal Pass Unsafe speed (not exceeding, but just unsafe for conditions) Illegal passing on the right Illegal use of the shoulder (for those that try to split in the far left or far right) Reckless driving And I remember there are others, I just can't remember them now. I have a good friend who is a local motorcycle officer and we talked all of the ramifications. if you will notice, most of these are subjective violations and not clear cut. It is up to LEO to decide. And of course, he has to catch you (or at least identify you so he can use Motorola to catch up to you). ;-) Jim Alexander Concord, CA '98 ST1100 STar Chaser HSTA #2307SU AMA #415932 STOC #009 -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: M Ham I just simply don't understand the mentality of someone opening their car door to a motorcycle. Here in California, it's illegal to open you door if it will block traffic or be unsafe. (violation section 22517 CVC opening and closing doors). Also, nowhere in the California vehicle code does it say lane splitting is legal. On the flip side, it also doesn't say that it is illegal. In other words, "the man" has no violation section to cite a motorcyclist for if they are splitting lanes. Unless of course it's done in an unsafe manner... My 2 cents.... -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 00:43:55 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Ralph Couey CC: RickCorwn@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, cbarrett@ocsea.org Subject: Re: PC800: Re: I LIKE my bike- I DONT want yours! Hi Ralph, Ralph Couey wrote: > You're never alone if you like the Nomad. After all, > > "Nomad is an island > Nomad walks alone..." snip... Time to take your medicine... (big grin) -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 137,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 00:54:16 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Steve_Steinsapir@taxfin.adp.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: New Member Hi Steve, Steve_Steinsapir@taxfin.adp.com wrote: > I'm a new PC800 owner and am new to motorcycles. I just graduated from the > Motorcycle safety course last Saturday. I have about a total of under 200 miles > under my rear. > Welcome to the list and to the ranks of PC owners! > The bike has two problems with it. 1) minor damage to the faring on the left > side, and 2) the front fender center piece has a crack on it. I am in the > process of trying to find a place that will be able to repair this damage. I > don't think that the piece will fall off, but it does make noise every time I go > over a bump in the road. Contact Chuck Chiodini (pronounced Q-dini); he is a plastic mender extraordinaire: chiodinc@hotmail.com He's touring the country at the moment and the last I knew was in Reno, NV. He did a windshield for me that was a disaster; fixed it right up. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 137,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 00:33:51 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: "Leonard (Lou) Berkley" CC: Mike Nichols , RVPC800@aol.com, pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us, dwilkers@us.ibm.com, klw@Centuryinter.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: I LIKE my bike- I DONT want yours! Hi Lou, Leonard (Lou) Berkley wrote: > Recently in a bar a lady asked if my motorcycle was a Harley and I told her > that I had tried harleys and prefered motocycles. Great answer! -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 137,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "MTW" To: "Steven R. Zweigart" , "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: Re: PC800: NO PC (Woe be unto me.) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 06:30:29 -0400 I'm not sure what you were getting done, but one should be able to change the plugs and all the fluids in an hour or two. All the more reason to get a manual and do it yourself. So far I've done all the service on my bikes except mount tires and replace the fork seals. (and I used to do that in the old days). Mike Whited Columbus OH -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Steven R. Zweigart To: 'PC800 Mailing List' Date: Monday, August 02, 1999 9:19 AM Subject: PC800: NO PC (Woe be unto me.) >I'm madder than hell. In late June, I called my local Honda dealer to >schedule service (routine 4000-mi. variety.) He said I'd have to bring it >in and leave it until they could get to it, which would take about 3 weeks. >Said that their four-wheeler business has picked up so much that they hardly >have time for bikes anymore. I told him that I'd be leaving on vacation >last week of July, and could he take care of it that week. He said "sure" >and wrote me in on his calendar. > >Called this morning to ask if it was ready. "Nope. Got four more work >orders in front of yours. Might get to it this week." > >%$#@!! > >Come on now!!! (1) Isn't nine days enough for routine 4000-mi service? >(2) How many work-orders should a shop be able to perform in a day? > >Since I didn't buy my bike from this shop, I was going to tip the service >guy royally for treating me like one of their own customers. (Perhaps I >should have taped the tip to the handlebars in advance.) At this point, I >don't know whether to bear with them, or go get the bike and take it back to >the SOB (VERY friendly...until I signed on the dotted line) who sold it to >me to get it worked on. > >This is the first time I have ever taken a bike in for routine service. Are >my expectations too high? What should I expect? Is this a case of "welcome >to the real world?" > >Steve Zweigart >Maysville, Kentucky > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "MTW" To: "Steven R. Zweigart" , "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: Re: PC800: Observation of Riding Habits Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 06:21:56 -0400 Steve, One reason the Harley rider may have bolted, was his bike was air-cooled. I surprised it didn't melt down. Mike Whited ' 94 PC Columbus OH .....I was in the jam from that point for an additional hour and >40 minutes. > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "MTW" To: , "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Travel tip No. 7,546b Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 06:46:57 -0400 FYI, the Brake pads for the PC and the ST1100 are the same. -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jgoula To: PC800 Date: Monday, August 02, 1999 8:36 PM Subject: PC800: Travel tip No. 7,546b Before heading out, perouse the catalogs for part numbers to see which wear items are the same as other bikes (i.e. brake pads, oil filter, etc.) That way if you ever need something like that and you come across a dealer who has never even seen a PC800, you can say "I need front brake pads for a CBR 1000". My local dealer told me they did't have them in stock (for the PC) but right there on the display they had them for the CBR. No big loss, since I got them for half their price via mail order. Oh, yeah, another example of price gouging by dealers: They charged me $30.45 per bearing for the front wheel. The local bearing house had them for $9.00 a piece. -- Juan Antonio Goula Fairbanks, Alaska Lat.: 64.85°N, Long.: 147.72°W "There is only one difference between a non-rider and me. I am not mad." (with apologies to Salvador Dalí) ------------------------------------------------- School of Fisheries and Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks (907)474-5520 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Motorcycle ratings on Deja.com :-) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:09:32 +0200 >Sorry - The numbers, and not the hype, really tell the tale... >I guess that I shouldn't expect the PC to beat a bike that is rated so >highly by so few .... :-) Did you see the PC800 has a higher performance rating (3.3) than a Triumph Daytona 955i (3.0) ? Incredible.... Emile '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" http://fly.to/emile -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:19:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: NO PC (Woe be unto me.) "Steven R. Zweigart" writes: > This is the first time I have ever taken a bike in for routine service. > Are my expectations too high? What should I expect? Is this a case of > "welcome to the real world?" Your expectations are not too high. If you have the option, find another dealer, who understands the word "service". Then write a letter to American Honda (and send a copy to the dealer you left). If you don't have the option of finding another dealer, buy a copy of the PC service manual. Aside from the learning associated with the bodywork, the PC is a relatively easy bike to work on, and requires very little in the way of routine maintenance anyway. Between the hassles of riding 20 miles to my nearest authorized Honda dealership, and waiting for work to be done (usually to a standard lower than my own), the only reason I take a bike in is for something that I can't do myself. The only routine maintenance that I can, but won't, do is changing tubeless tires on alloy rims. Been there, done that, and I know I don't like it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Selden Deemer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:45:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: Motorcycle ratings on Deja.com :-) "Spain, Harrison" writes: > I hope this link works :-) > > http://www.deja.com/rate/list_items.xp?CID=11918&PCID=11767&N=0 > > Not worth a lot of effort but our intrepid PC800 is on the list :-). > Look under "Pacific Coast". Gratifying to see the PC rated so highly, but I confess I'm a little suspicious of results that put the Concours at the top of the list, and the first BMW at 15th. It looks to me like a well-organized group of owners can skew the results... I just submitted my rating. We're within striking distance of the top 5. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Selden Deemer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:08:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: Shop tip No. 9,876 jgoula writes: > Note to self: Whenever you need to cut a power lead connector: > a) make sure at least one of the battery leads is disconnected or, > b) cut one pole at a time or, > c) have a fire extinguisher ready to deal with the fireworks (DUH!) > > Thankfully permanent damage was limited to a small 1/16" size dimple > in the tupperware where the cable got so hot it melted into the side > of the bike. I needed this advice a couple of years ago, while replacing the battery on my Hawk on a hot summer day. I was sweaty, and wearing a watch with a metal band.... The watchband ended up with a small section burned out, and my wrist ended up with a nasty burn that took more than a week to heal. Ouch. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Selden Deemer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 09:06:30 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: Selden Deemer CC: PC 800 List Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Motorcycle ratings on Deja.com :-) Selden Deemer wrote: > > "Spain, Harrison" writes: > > > I hope this link works :-) > > > > http://www.deja.com/rate/list_items.xp?CID=11918&PCID=11767&N=0 > > > > Not worth a lot of effort but our intrepid PC800 is on the list :-). > > Look under "Pacific Coast". > > Gratifying to see the PC rated so highly, but I confess I'm a little > suspicious of results that put the Concours at the top of the list, > and the first BMW at 15th. It looks to me like a well-organized group > of owners can skew the results... I just submitted my rating. We're > within striking distance of the top 5. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Selden Deemer > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah baby, I just pushed it up to fourth. Obviously, meaningless, but fun. TommyTeal -- 93 SE 95 Hannigan 97 Pacific Coast 98 V-Star Classic (Black Cherry over Crimson) GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: dwilkers@us.ibm.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:06:09 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Traffic jam >>anyone else tries to get ahead of me in line, I will make their life >>miserable." This can be observed by tractor-trailer rigs (or other >>rednecks) "pairing up" and straddling lines to prevent ANYONE from passing >>until the lane-narrowing place is reached. Gets sort of interesting when >>the cause of the slow-down is actually an accident instead of construction, >>and the emergency vehicles can't get through! I'm not a truck driver, but I still appreciate it when a couple of truckers preforms this maneuver in an highway traffic jam. Usually, the traffic has been reduced to one lane, and the truckers know which lane it is. It is best for cars to be in the lane that is still available, instead of driving all the way to the merge point and then trying to merge . . this causes further delay. Plus, many cagers will fly down the closed lane, leaping ahead of scores of cars that have been waiting patiently, and then merging at the last minute. I for one do NOT let those people merge in front of me. So, the truckers are just trying to smooth traffic flow, and I applaud their efforts, even though the misinformed usually curse them for it. The people "stuck" behind the truckers will probably get through faster than they would have had they kept employing their stupid-ass hurry-up-and-wait, screw-everybody-else-that's-waiting-patiently driving patterns. And the point about the emergency vehicles is not valid: the emergency vehicles can use the shoulders, if there aren't idiots trying to circumvent traffic already in the shoulders. Usually, truckers are your best friend . . but they do seem to have a way to leap in the passing lane right in front of you when you're clearly about to overtake them in a hurry. I've never understood that. It's almost like they're pissed that you're going to blow by them . . who cares if you're driving safely? Doug Wilkerson -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail1.noc0.hsacorp.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.1b5) with SMTP id 953845; Tue, 03 Aug 1999 09:35:48 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" , "MTW" Subject: Re: PC800: Observation of Riding Habits Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:20:58 -0400 Judging by the bright red color of the passenger's face, that thought crossed my mind as well. It looked like a brand-new, shiney, expensive one, though. Like I say....who's to judge why one decides to do what they do. Live and let live. SZ ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MTW To: Steven R. Zweigart ; 'PC800 Mailing List' Sent: Tuesday, 03 August 1999 06:21 Subject: Re: PC800: Observation of Riding Habits > Steve, > > One reason the Harley rider may have bolted, was his bike was air-cooled. I > surprised it didn't melt down. > > Mike Whited ' 94 PC > > Columbus OH > > .....I was in the jam from that point for an additional hour and > >40 minutes. > > > > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Leonard (Lou) Berkley" To: "Steven R. Zweigart" , "'PC800 Mailing List'" , "MTW" Subject: Re: PC800: Observation of Riding Habits Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:54:05 -0400 > > One reason the Harley rider may have bolted, was his bike was air-cooled. > > surprised it didn't melt down. > > I can sympathize with that problem. I once was caught in a jam that extended several miles on a 650 Yamaha, and the clutch began heating up so badly that it would not disengage. There was a wide paved berm so I moved out there to ride far enough to cool the clutch an wound up riding around the whole line. I'm sure the cage drivers were cursing me but I really had little choice. Leonard ( Lou) Berkley lberk@zoomnet.net PC 800, CB750, HSTA, HRC,AMA Life, STOC 110 "The weather is here, I wish you were Beautiful" Jimmy Buffett -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 09:47:12 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Traffic jam dwilkers@us.ibm.com wrote: > I'm not a truck driver, but I still appreciate it when a couple of truckers > preforms this maneuver in an highway traffic jam. Usually, the traffic has been > reduced to one lane, and the truckers know which lane it is. It is best for > cars to be in the lane that is still available, instead of driving all the way > to the merge point and then trying to merge . . this causes further delay. When I was in SC, I got caught in a traffic jam on I-85 (I think). It was construction related and was hotter than Hades and I am on the Wing, dying. A truck, a couple cars ahead of me pulled over into the left lane and the vehicles ahead of me worked with him to keep an opening for him, but prevent those trying to go down the left lane. We were dead stop before that, then things started moving. The cars behind in the left lane had to merge earlier and we kept moving. Still hot, but at least we were moving. I was very much appreciative. I have noticed that people generally are working together better at not allowing those others to just jump in, keeping a tight unit. Have seen several get left far behind at the merge spot, waiting to find a place to jump in. This was an issue up here in Michigan, about a month ago. A Lansing newspaperman wrote an article about the problem, got huge reaction from others complaining about it, and guess what, a new law was passed. Michigan has instituted a penalty for not merging. What it says is that MDOT will put new signs out after the notice to merge, but well before the actual merge point, stating that if vehicles are backed up to this point, or beyond this point, you must merge now and not pass stopped vehicles or be ticketed. This will obviously not solve all the problems and a real bad back up will mean they are just causing the same problem further up the road, but it is a step in the right direction. However, with the almost total lack of MSP on the freeways, it may be meaningless. MDOT does plan to work with MSP to put some officers at some of the worst bottlenecks. We will see what happens. I admit I have gone around several cars and had to merge, but it was caused by not paying attention versus a callous regard for other motorists. Luckily this has not happened very often, because I always felt like such a heel when it did happen. TommyTeal -- 93 SE 95 Hannigan 97 Pacific Coast 98 V-Star Classic (Black Cherry over Crimson) GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Will Edwards" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: Need Clearview's Email or Phone. Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 06:58:24 -0700 I got mine from Sports Touring Accessory http://www.dnet.net/~pemble/ You have to dig through the site to find the PC800 stuff, but it's there. I just ordered via phone, they were a pleasure to deal with. Will Washington state 96 PC800 Focus your eyes to where you want to be, Not to where you are afraid of falling to... . . ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: M & S To: Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 9:08 PM Subject: PC800: Need Clearview's Email or Phone. > I'm headingdown from Canada to the Sturgis Rally next week, and I'd like > to arrange to have "Clearview" deliver one of their PC800 windshields to > a local cycle shop in that vicinity for me to pick up while I'm there. > I've tried contacting them, but I get no response via email > (Clearview@bewellnet.com ) and the 1-800-798-6089 number I was given for > them is non-operative. > Can anyone give me an up to date email address, or phone number ? > > Thanks, > Murray Wagner > 89 PC > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MOODS@aol.com for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:10:03 EDT Subject: PC800: Plastics & Parts To: :pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hi everyone. My name is Lee and I'm new to this wonderful PC experience. I purchased an '89 a few weeks ago. I have had email contact with a few of you individually regarding parts and have purchased a couple of things. I subscribe to your list and read your threads. Anyway, I've been looking for plastics since a recent hit and run parking lot incident. A guy named Lee at Archway International Salvage (1-314-385-7653) did a national search for me. He found some plastic, red, but I don't know which year. He has a trunklid, left & right caliper covers, right fairing, right inner panel, and left side panel. So, if you know of anyone in need they can call him for more info. Whoever wants $400 for all, don't know about piece price. I am looking for a spoiler for my ferry. So if anyone out there has one for sale please let me know. Lee 89 PC (Maybe Lee's Ferry) Minnesota -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KC2ATQ@aol.com for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:12:04 EDT Subject: PC800: drink holders To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Does anyone have any ideas on drink holders for the rider and or passenger. I don't want to turn my bike into a wing, but man it's been hot lately. Ride safe JIM T Beachwood NJ 38000 K Givi E460 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KC2ATQ@aol.com for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:14:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:14:26 EDT Subject: PC800: Honda homecomming To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Could anyone advise if there is a web site and where and when will it be held next year. I never heard of it before I started reading all the e-mail reports Ride safe JIM T Beachwood NJ 1996 PC 800 38000 K Givi E460 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail1.noc0.hsacorp.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.1b5) with SMTP id 956620; Tue, 03 Aug 1999 12:25:45 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" , Subject: Re: PC800: drink holders Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:10:56 -0400 Besides my PC, I put alot of miles on a standard (leg driven) bicycle. Part of my standard equipment on the bike is a "Camelbak" fluid delivery system. If you haven't seen one, it's a bladder (mine is 2 liters) in an insulated backpack. It has a 2-3 foot long hose that drains the bottom of the bag, comes up over the shoulder, and hangs near the mouth. You bite the valve, suck, and VOILA! Beverage! I quickly discovered that long distance riding on the motorcycle dehydrates one fairly quickly. (Haven't really figured out why, yet...but I suspect it has to do with sheer excitement.) The Camelbak works equally as well on the PC, allowing for an easy-access to lots of cold drink. They come in various sizes, and are available at any bicycle supply shop. The backpacks come from simple, holding only the bladder, to lots of storage space. Downside: They're not too cheap, and they have to be cleaned out carefully (especially if using liquids other than water) and dried well, or a nasty "vegetable" garden starts growing inside. When using mine alot, I keep it full, and store it in the fridge so that it's always ready for an adventure. Otherwise, I have a special hanger that "inflates" the bladder for air-drying. I've thought about standard "can holders" for the PC, but know I'd end up wearing the drink instead of ingesting it. SZ ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: To: Sent: Tuesday, 03 August 1999 11:12 Subject: PC800: drink holders > Does anyone have any ideas on drink holders for the rider and or passenger. I > don't want to turn my bike into a wing, but man it's been hot lately. > > Ride safe > JIM T > Beachwood NJ > 38000 K > Givi E460 > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:31:34 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 11:08:02 -0500 From: Chris Klass CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: unsubscribe <37A57530.4466C1B8@forum.swarthmore.edu> Please take me off the list. I will be away for the next 3 weeks. Thanks, Chris -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 12:37:27 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: drink holders Steven R. Zweigart wrote: > I've thought about standard "can holders" for the PC, but know I'd end up > wearing the drink instead of ingesting it. > > SZ Excellent suggestion regarding the Camelbak Steve. I can vouch for using a can of pop in the can holders spraying all over you. Use a bottle with a resealable top if you use one of the Bike or Big Bouys. The adapter that is used on the Wing to attach it will probably work on the PC too (replaces the bolts that hold the fluid resevoir(s) to the handlebars). TommyTeal -- 93 SE 95 Hannigan 97 Pacific Coast 98 V-Star Classic (Black Cherry over Crimson) GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:14:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Nichols Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Motorcycle ratings on Deja.com :-) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Content-MD5: 1nmWOa2Gfg1DPGt/iD97zQ== >Yeah baby, I just pushed it up to fourth. Obviously, meaningless, but >fun. Well, someone ahead of me pushed it to number 1. I just nudged the average overall rating from 4.0 to 4.1, putting the PC firmly in the lead ... 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To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Steve_Steinsapir@taxfin.adp.com via smtpd (for wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.114]) with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 21:32:48 UT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:41:55 -0700 Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Motorcycle ratings on Deja.com :-) I helped it get to #1 - just go into the other bikes and rate them as 1's - that lowers their general score. >>Yeah baby, I just pushed it up to fourth. Obviously, meaningless, but >>fun. > >Well, someone ahead of me pushed it to number 1. I just nudged the average >overall rating from 4.0 to 4.1, putting the PC firmly in the lead ... -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: YankSmug@aol.com for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:39:30 EDT Subject: PC800: New address-same old person To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu There have been some Internet connection problems with my "pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us" email account since 12:30 AM on Sunday morning so I've created this email account to act as a temporary link to the list. If anyone has sent private mail to my "pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us" address after the above time I did not receive it. Please resend it to this address. You probably got an error message returned to you. Sorry:-( Tim Davies- '98 Pacific Coast,"Yankee Smuggler" Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: annreid@juno.com by m4.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EG5DU89T; Tue, 03 Aug 1999 15:45:41 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, scpcrc@listbot.com Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:45:05 -0700 Subject: PC800: $5 GORE LINE TICKET: FINAL CHAPTER BIG DAY IN JUSTICE COURT 1) 8:00 I arrived for my 8:15 appt. Clerk said the judge wouldn't start before 8:30. One gentleman was ahead of me and one after - both scheduled for 8:15. I tore off a piece of continuous feed computer paper from my crime scene diagram, on which I was prepared to play out the "gorey" act, complete with 18-wheeler named BIG GUY SQUASH Y'ALL FLAT, and Lil Anni on her tiny white mo'ycle. Then I made an airplane and we had a three-way flight path for over 15 minutes to shorten the wait time. 2) 8:20 We entered the empty courtroom and chatted among ourselves trying to bolster our self-confidence and convince each other of our innocence. 3) 8:25 An average-looking uniformed, gun-toten Hwy. Patrolman with big dark eyes, bushy black hair and a thick mustache entered and sat in the first row and flashed us a menacing smile and said something to the effect, "I hope I don't make you nervous." Then he turned to chat with a female companion in a more jovial tone. 4) 8:30 The Justice of the Peace (not a schooled lawyer or judge) appeared and we all stood at attention. Emphasis on the "tension." The lad in front of me approached and stood before the Judge after his name was called. Then the arresting officer's name was called. No one came forward. It was called again. Dead silence. The judge told the young man if he could make it to the parking lot BEFORE the officer made it to his bench, the ticket would be dismissed as if it'd never happened. 5) 8:32 My name was called. I glanced at the seated officer, then stood with my bag of tricks in hand and approached the bench with a smile to ward off the demons and enhance my self-confidence. The judge called for Officer Schantz. A wonderful silence fell over the nearly empty room, and I calmly said, "Your honor, Officer Schantz is not here. May I go? Please?" I started to turn to leave when his booming voice came at me, "I didn't say you could go. I didn't dismiss you." My heart sank and my mind spun as I found myself speaking almost unconsciously, "Your honor, you let the gentleman before me exit when his arresting officer did not show. Does not the same rule apply to ladies as well as gentlemen?" I couldn't believe I actually said this. The judge was taken aback and quickly told me to leave but hastened to add, "If you should see Officer Schantz pulling into the parking lot as you leave, I expect you to come back in here." *SHEEESH, RIGHT!* ....and she lived happily ever after, and considered writing Officer Schantz a thank you note. *NAH* N E A R T H E E N D Oh Yeah, you wanna know why it was a $5 ticket? That's what the BIG GUY toy 18-wheeler cost me at MacFrugal's. Already had the white mo'cycle and biker babe. BTW all props, including a cop on a big mo'cycle, are available as loaners if the need should arise. Don't everyone speak at once! *Heh Heh* THE END -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:22:41 +1200 To: PC800 Rider From: Richard Proctor Subject: PC800: Re: Ron Grant intrest : VIN # position - it's coming!! Ron poked a bit so I suppose I should go public. >So Richard, does that mean you have BOUGHT a USA PC and are getting it >to NZ!!?? > > > > > >--- Richard Proctor wrote: >> Can someone tell me where the VIN # is situated on a >> PC and how difficult >> it is to see? Like on a crated bike. >> >> Thanks >> >> Richard Proctor >> NZ I'm a bit scared to admit it but it's starting to look like it. It's due to arrive at Wellington on the 10th. It's all the add-on costs that mount up, custom inspection s, Agriculture, landing fee, initial registration inspection, insurance, riding gear....... Everyone wants part of the action Anyway it's a 1 owner 1989, I wanted the pearl white, AND-WILL-YOU-LOT-ALL-SHUT-UP-ABOUT-STATOR-FAILURE - you're making me nervous!! First reg 1994, 17k miles, Corbin seat & pass back rest, stock & Hondaline tall screens and orig PC seat. (I also have an as new Honda pass back rest I picked up her for not a lot so I'm covered if I don't like the Corbin seat.) I found it through http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/Search.exe?2278831 You can enter your e-mail and they advise any new ads. The bike cost $3,295, which with the extra parts seemed reasonable. It cost $200 to get it crated (Valkyre crate) and I got some riding gear in with it (a Noland N70 & N100 & a Teknik jacket). Honda Town in Minneapolis crated it up for me, AND what is more, put the purchase through their Mastercard account, which of course gave me consumer protection. I haven't phsically seen the bike yet, but so far Jim at Honda Town and the guy I bought from have been real gents. Some guy kept waving money under the seller's nose, but he kept his word and held the bike for me while I sorted out freight etc. Jim has been in bikes for 28 years and has nothing to prove. The seller has been his customer for 20 years so Jim was happy to help him out. I did the freight through Emery who gave me a door-to-door deal. $640 Chicago to NZ plus $95 pick-up from Minneapolis. (I was quoted up to $500 Chicago to LA) I'll get hit 12.5% GST tax on cost and freight. No import duty as such. I suspect I won't actually save much on buying locally but I'll have the Corbin seat and extra screen etc thrown in. Since I suffer from "duck's disease" and the Corbin seat is lower, I hope to get away with the stock screen and have the tall to sell off for an exorbitant price. Likewise the the original seat (dreams are free!!) So I'm sitting here, hoping like hell it is true to label (not really worried) and that the ultimate cost won't be so high I have to on-sell it. And that I won't be too scared to ride it. Richard Proctor -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 16:54:43 -0500 From: Ralph Couey To: KC2ATQ@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: drink holders Jim, A friend of mine rigged up a deal using the straps off of an old backpack. He fashioned a loop deal for a water bottle and used a plastic straw which he was able to suck on from time to time. Since the bottle was mounted about chest level, it worked real well for him. Of course, he had an open-face helmet. I've thought about trying to rig something similar, but haven't figured out a way to get the straw into my helmet without risking neck lacerations. Hopefully, you're smarter than I am. Ralph Couey Now a little more Coolumbia, Missouri KC2ATQ@aol.com wrote: > > Does anyone have any ideas on drink holders for the rider and or passenger. I > don't want to turn my bike into a wing, but man it's been hot lately. > > Ride safe > JIM T > Beachwood NJ > 38000 K > Givi E460 > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:13:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: Motorcycle ratings on Deja.com :-) Y'all sure have been busy! As of 5:56 pm, EDT, the Pacific Coast is the number one bike on Deja.com! Keep up the good work. Some of you may remember that earlier this year Time magazine had an online poll for "Man of the Century" in which Kemal Ataturk was the leading vote getter in all categories, including pop music.... I can't imagine how this could have happened, except that the Armenians and the Greeks probably would disagree with the results. ;) Ignoring the validity of a self-selected survey created by contributions from netheads, I find it interesting that 3 of the top 5 are bikes that were designed more than 10 years ago (Concours, ST1100, PC800). If you think about it, this was about the time when we were hearing stories about how the Japanese were going to conquer the world -- by sheer excellence of design -- although their current circumstances are not so positive. A good case could be made that the late 80's were the golden age of Japanese Motorcycle design. I own two examples, a 1988 Hawk, and a 1994 PC800. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Selden Deemer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:42:51 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 15:37:28 -0700 From: "Jim Alexander" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: unable to send mail to PC800 mail list I am sending this from my office e-mail address. I normally send from my CompuServe address, but it seems that someone at sina.hpc.uh.edu has subscribed to a service which blocks mail from servers which other people are using illegally. Since one of these servers is the CompuServe mail server, they are blocking all mail from that server. Below is the rejection I got when I sent a message to the list. Anyone else who uses CompuServe and whose mail goes through the server with the address of 149.174.217.152 will get the same rejection. I checked Dana Sawyer's earlier E-mail as he also uses CompuServe, but his is coming from 149.174.217.153. It is NOT listed by their service. How can this be? Because this service is not comprehensive, but is just causing problems. I just thought I would send this message to let anyone know who is having problems, why that might be. I didn't have problems last week, so this must have just started this week If this gets through it will be because this mail server at work is not yet listed by this RRSS company. >From what I read, it looks like your are guilty until you prove yourself innocent in their eyes. The original message was received at Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:47:10 -0400 (EDT) from mailgate@localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- pc800@hpc.uh.edu ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to sina.hpc.uh.edu.: >>> MAIL From: <<< 550 Mail from 149.174.217.152 rejected;see http://relays.radparker.com/ 554 pc800@hpc.uh.edu... Service unavailable -- Jim Alexander Longs Drug Stores Sr. Systems Programmer 925-210-6901 The opinions expressed are Mine and not Longs Drugs -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kidbys@webtv.net (shelley kidby) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:07:11 -0700 (PDT) To: bmwk75@earthlink.net (Ralph Couey) Cc: KC2ATQ@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: drink holders 1999 16:54:43 -0500 --WebTV-Mail-12381-18579 Seldon it sounds like we got some non camper, possible REI customers here: want to tell them about Platypus and bite to drink capabilities? Jerry --WebTV-Mail-12381-18579 postoffice-232.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:56:59 -0700 (PDT) mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id OAA04710; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:56:57 -0700 (PDT) bart.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAC14840; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:56:42 -0500 (CDT) QAA10003 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:56:56 -0500 (CDT) ESMTP id OAA16231; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:55:43 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 16:54:43 -0500 From: Ralph Couey To: KC2ATQ@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: drink holders Jim, A friend of mine rigged up a deal using the straps off of an old backpack. He fashioned a loop deal for a water bottle and used a plastic straw which he was able to suck on from time to time. Since the bottle was mounted about chest level, it worked real well for him. Of course, he had an open-face helmet. I've thought about trying to rig something similar, but haven't figured out a way to get the straw into my helmet without risking neck lacerations. Hopefully, you're smarter than I am. Ralph Couey Now a little more Coolumbia, Missouri KC2ATQ@aol.com wrote: > > Does anyone have any ideas on drink holders for the rider and or passenger. I > don't want to turn my bike into a wing, but man it's been hot lately. > > Ride safe > JIM T > Beachwood NJ > 38000 K > Givi E460 > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. --WebTV-Mail-12381-18579-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kidbys@webtv.net (shelley kidby) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:12:00 -0700 (PDT) To: rproctor@clear.net.nz (Richard Proctor) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 Rider) Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Ron Grant intrest : VIN # position - it's coming!! Aug 1999 08:22:41 +1200 Richard By golly if I can haul trees and you can balance on one foot, we can put on a show! Glad you found Your PC! Jerry -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EG5UJYJS; Tue, 03 Aug 1999 20:02:13 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:39:27 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Traffic jam From: Harvey P Sattin I'm not a truck driver either so I don't know the answer to this one: Why do trucks tailgate cars on the highway, driving so close at such high speeds? ~Harvey Sattin Brookline, MA ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2.1b3); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:34:15 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Wranglers Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:30:26 -0400 From: To: "Pacific Coast List" Selden Deemer wrote: > > There was a thread a few months ago about finding pants that provide > more protection than jeans, but are cooler than leathers. Today in the > huntin' and fishin' section of a new monster sporting goods store in > Atlanta I found something that may fit the bill: Wrangler "rugged wear" > jeans. From just below the hips, the fronts of the legs (and all the > way around below the knees) are covered with a layer of tan Cordura. > The seat and backs of the thighs are standard canvas -- although, > interestingly, a hopsack weave, rather than the twill usually used > for jeans. Trouble is, these are designed for protecting the front of the leg from briars, thorns, thistles, etc. They don't protect the hip or butt areas. Better than nothing, but... -- Jim Hart, HSTA #8932 '87 GoldWing Aspencade, 12000 '90 PC800, 47000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "Jim Alexander" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: unable to send mail to PC800 mail list From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 03 Aug 1999 22:46:57 -0500 Lines: 37 >>>>> "JA" == Jim Alexander writes: JA> I am sending this from my office e-mail address. I normally send from JA> my CompuServe address, but it seems that someone at sina.hpc.uh.edu has JA> subscribed to a service which blocks mail from servers which other JA> people are using illegally. That someone would be me. I make use of all of the reasonable spam-server-listing services; the one at radparker.com lists only machines that are badly configured _and_ have been abused by spammers. Others (which I don't use) list all servers which could be abused, whether they have or not. The bottom line is the Compuserve should know better; fortunately, the purpose of the RRSS was served because Compuserve has since fixed their problem and the server was removed from the list. Simple. JA> If this gets through it will be because this mail server at work is not JA> yet listed by this RRSS company. RRSS is not a company, it is a free service. I have submitted many abused open relays to them myself. Your mail server at work would only be listed if it was badly configured _and_ had been abused by spammers. In any case, RRSS doesn't block mail from anyone, _I_ do. They don't block anything; they only list servers which they suggest that I block. I happen to trust them. JA> From what I read, it looks like your are guilty until you prove JA> yourself innocent in their eyes. By saying that you only let me know that you fail to understand the issues. It's not really my job to convince you, though; if you don't like the fact that I have configured my servers to refuse mail from machines being abused by spammers then you are free to not make use of the service which I provide to you at no cost to yourself. - J< -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:58:30 -0400 To: KC2ATQ@aol.com From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Honda homecomming Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 11:14 AM -0400 8/3/99, KC2ATQ@aol.com wrote: >Could anyone advise if there is a web site and where and when will it be held >next year. I never heard of it before I started reading all the e-mail reports > >Ride safe >JIM T Hi Jim. Check out the "Special Events" link on the http://http://www.ohio.honda.com/ web page. It will have the event listed next year when the time comes. fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KGray96057@aol.com for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:09:48 EDT Subject: PC800: Drink holder. To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu My first confession- I've been enjoying the heat wave we've been having out here on the prairie. I like hot weather, and I always have- even extremely hot weather. I feel better and seem to function better in the 90+ temperature range. No one in my family is similarly constituted, and I once asked a doctor about this. Seems that it all comes down to sweat- of all things. Apparently I sweat so freely in the heat that my body is kept comfortable by the evaporation.. However, all of this means that I end up drinking a great deal more water than most. (Although drinking a lot of water on even a warmish day is a pretty good idea. Oxygenation and hydration can keep you going long past where you'd believe your limits are.) As a consequence, I'm always carrying little bottles of water around. And the PC has a pretty good make shift cup/bottle/can holder built right in.. The little left hand storage box! Lift the lid and push with a little authority, and anything from a large Burger Kng wax coated paper cup to a a 20 oz plastic bottle will sit right in there. It doesn't fall out even on bumpy roads. 'Course, this only works if you don't carry anything in the bin and haven't converted it to hold instrumentation or a stereo remote. I also recommend a good load bearing vest for ready to hand consumable storage. I wear a heavy cloth hunting vest from Canfields. You can store all kinds of things in there, have them readily availible, and toss the whole thing in the trunk when you finish the ride. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 01:24:31 -0400 To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: drink holders Steven R. Zweigart wrote: > Besides my PC, I put alot of miles on a standard (leg driven) bicycle. Part > of my standard equipment on the bike is a "Camelbak" fluid delivery system. > If you haven't seen one, it's a bladder (mine is 2 liters) in an insulated > backpack. It has a 2-3 foot long hose that drains the bottom of the bag, > comes up over the shoulder, and hangs near the mouth. You bite the valve, > suck, and VOILA! Beverage! And if you wear Aerostich Roadcrafter or Darien riding gear you have a built in 32 oz. camelbak pocket on the front of the suit! (Which currently lasts 5 minutes it this Atlanta weather+traffic;) -- Mary Jane '96 PC800 "Diablo" 13,800 miles Buford, GA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jpatton@neptune.ConnectI.com Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 01:29:58 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800:Camelbak drink holders I bought a Camelbak (70 oz) in Colorado to use on long hikes. I would freeze the bladder about 3/4 full (I put it over a bag of peas so it would freeze with a bit of a curve). I still had ice after nearly 10 hours of hiking at Longs Peak, fantastic insulation! It was also a good air con. system under my windbreaker (think of that benefit in summer riding!!!). > >> Besides my PC, I put alot of miles on a standard (leg driven) bicycle. Part >> of my standard equipment on the bike is a "Camelbak" fluid delivery system. >> If you haven't seen one, it's a bladder (mine is 2 liters) in an insulated >> backpack. It has a 2-3 foot long hose that drains the bottom of the bag, >> comes up over the shoulder, and hangs near the mouth. You bite the valve, >> suck, and VOILA! Beverage! > >And if you wear Aerostich Roadcrafter or Darien riding gear you have a built in >32 oz. camelbak pocket on the front of the suit! (Which currently lasts 5 >minutes it this Atlanta weather+traffic;) JPatton 88 Pontiac Fiero GT 89 PC800 w/ Backpacker Trailer (for sale at the right price) 94 Shadow VT1100 (for sale) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Will Edwards" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: See if you can spot the PC Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 04:54:48 -0700 Take a look at "Sound Rider" and click on the article about keeping cool. I forget which one of you are connected with the site, but I like the articles. Keep up the good work. http://www.soundrider.com/ Will Washington state 96 PC800 Focus your eyes to where you want to be, Not to where you are afraid of falling to... . . -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:33:35 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Barry Shaffer Subject: PC800: Honda Homecoming/Demos Etc. Hi Coasters: I'd like to say hi to the PC riders I met at the Honda Homecoming. A fine bunch of folks. I did 4 demo rides but I didn't get a ride on the Helix! My impressions: ST1100- I really liked it. The riding position was comfortable for me. The engine pulled harder at 2,000 RPMs than my PC at 3,000 RPMs. I'm really looking forward to a new sport-tourer from Honda! Maybe with an adjustable windshield? Gold Wing SE- I was afraid I'd cook behind the windshield but the windshield had a airvent. I didn't have time to figure out all the buttons other than radio volume. I'm glad my wife wasn't there to try the back seat. Comfortable but surprising to me lack of power. Visually massive but easier to steer than I thought it would be. Shadow 1100 ACE- Nice airflow with this cruiser. It didn't seem more powerful than our bikes. VFR 800- I can see why lots of people like these sport bikes. Nice shifter, wonderful power, but my wrists hurt after only 20 minutes of riding! I'd worry about my drivers license with this bike! Take care, Barry Barry Shaffer Grape Farm Business Management Lake Erie Regional Grape Program 412 E. Main Street Fredonia, NY 14063 Phone: (716) 679-3185 Fax: (716) 679-3122 e-mail: bes9@cornell.edu web address: http://lenewa.netsync.net/public/lergphom.htm -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail1.noc0.hsacorp.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.1b5) with SMTP id 974035; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 08:21:48 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" , "Ralph Couey" Subject: Re: PC800: drink holders Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:07:10 -0400 That's what the Camelbak (and similar "hydration" devices) is excellent for....it's got a really flexible hose and bite-valve. Check it out. www.performancebike.com/results.html?searchcrit=camel (Look at the "classic" model...it's got a neoprene pack to insulate the beverage, and is the "economy" model. As you can see, they tend to get pretty pricey, but they're well worth it....particularly on a long trip. They're also available at many camping suppliers, running stores, etc.) Steve Zweigart Maysville, Kentucky '97 PC800 ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ralph Couey To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, 03 August 1999 17:54 Subject: Re: PC800: drink holders Jim, A friend of mine rigged up a deal using the straps off of an old backpack. He fashioned a loop deal for a water bottle and used a plastic straw which he was able to suck on from time to time. Since the bottle was mounted about chest level, it worked real well for him. Of course, he had an open-face helmet. I've thought about trying to rig something similar, but haven't figured out a way to get the straw into my helmet without risking neck lacerations. Hopefully, you're smarter than I am. Ralph Couey Now a little more Coolumbia, Missouri KC2ATQ@aol.com wrote: > > Does anyone have any ideas on drink holders for the rider and or passenger. I > don't want to turn my bike into a wing, but man it's been hot lately. > > Ride safe > JIM T > Beachwood NJ > 38000 K > Givi E460 > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail1.noc0.hsacorp.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.1b5) with SMTP id 974097; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 08:25:42 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" , "The Android" Subject: Re: PC800: drink holders Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:11:06 -0400 You just finalized my choice of the new riding jacket I've been looking for! Thanks. Steve Zweigart Maysville, Kentucky '97 PC800 ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Sent: Wednesday, 04 August 1999 01:24 Subject: Re: PC800: drink holders > > > Steven R. Zweigart wrote: > > > Besides my PC, I put alot of miles on a standard (leg driven) bicycle. Part > > of my standard equipment on the bike is a "Camelbak" fluid delivery system. > > If you haven't seen one, it's a bladder (mine is 2 liters) in an insulated > > backpack. It has a 2-3 foot long hose that drains the bottom of the bag, > > comes up over the shoulder, and hangs near the mouth. You bite the valve, > > suck, and VOILA! Beverage! > > And if you wear Aerostich Roadcrafter or Darien riding gear you have a built in > 32 oz. camelbak pocket on the front of the suit! (Which currently lasts 5 > minutes it this Atlanta weather+traffic;) > > > -- > Mary Jane > '96 PC800 "Diablo" > 13,800 miles > Buford, GA > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:32:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: drink holders "Steven R. Zweigart" writes: > Besides my PC, I put alot of miles on a standard (leg driven) bicycle. > Part of my standard equipment on the bike is a "Camelbak" fluid delivery > system. If you haven't seen one, it's a bladder (mine is 2 liters) in an > insulated backpack. It has a 2-3 foot long hose that drains the bottom > of the bag, comes up over the shoulder, and hangs near the mouth. You > bite the valve, suck, and VOILA! Beverage! Yes, Camelbaks are wonderful. I fill mine with ice cubes and just a little bit of water to fill in the spaces. It stays cold for about six hours, even on the hottest days, and serves as a small portable back cooler. The only problem is that I can't use the suck-tube with a fullface helmet, but a flip-up like the Nolan makes getting to it fairly easy at a stop. For those who own the FirstGear nylon riding jacket (I forget its name), I've been told that it has a pouch and a hole for a Camelbak-style bladder. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Selden Deemer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail1.noc0.hsacorp.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.1b5) with SMTP id 974317 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 08:33:28 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: PC800: I want my PC! Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:18:52 -0400 type="text/plain"; I'm sitting in my office waiting for the Honda of Flemingsburg, KY store to open so I can call and ask about my long-missing bike (the Case of the 312-Hour Tune Up). I'm trying to develop the testicular fortitude to tell them (if the bike is not ready or started) to scrap my work order, that I'll take the bike and all of my (and my friends') future business elsewhere, and follow up my decision with an appropriate letter to the regional Honda rep (hoping he gives a $#!^). Any tips on how to locate the name and address of that rep? It's difficult to burn a bridge like this in a small community, but enough is enough. As a matter of fact, I'm talking to a couple of people (i.e. pipe dream) toying with the idea of investing in a new full-line Honda dealership right here in Maysville. We'd sell everything from cars to boat motors (Honda permitting). (If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.) We all concur that the key feature to determine the success of such an endeavor is the effectiveness of the service department, so locating a ready, willing, and ABLE mechanic would be of utmost importance. That'd be a hell of a way to get even, wouldn't it! Steve Zweigart Maysville, Kentucky '97 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 08:33:38 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: "Steven R. Zweigart" CC: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: Re: PC800: I want my PC! "Steven R. Zweigart" wrote: > Any tips on how to locate the name and address of > that rep? To improve future service at the new Honda dealer, go there and ask for the name and number of the Honda rep. and let them know that you are unhappy with your service at the other dealer and are going to do your business with them. 2 bonuses. They give you the name and number of the service rep. and at the same time are put on notice that you don't play and are expecting good service. > That'd be a hell of a way > to get even, wouldn't it! You attorney types are the spawn of Satan. :-} -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 (Tar-Baby) 1974 Kawasaki Z1-A 900 (The Mistress) IronButt Association, 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 08:58:52 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "R. Fenwick" Subject: PC800: Fwd: National General Insurance Folks: I received this off of the SCPCRC list server. Thought everyone here might like to see it also. I am passing this along since this may affect some of us on this list also. I hope Progressive doesn't "turn" on us, and it is truly that just one insurance company has gone crazy. Two other PC owners with this insurance company replied. They had their premiums raised and promptly went to Progressive. Rich Fenwick 1990 PC800L, 19,650 miles >So. Cal. PC Riders Club - http://scpcrc.org > >Hello everyone, > >My name is Nick Cambria and I live in Memphis Tennessee. I was just reading >this months (August) issue of Motorcycle Consumer News. In the letters to >the Editor on page 5 is a letter from an Ivo Zvolanec in which he statess >that National General Insurance is DOUBLING his insurance rate for the >coming year. The reason given was that the PC no longer qualifies for the >"touring" discount under the "Rider Club" plan. In order to qualify the >motorcycle now must have a minimum of 967cc's. >As I currently insure my 90 PC with this company this has me VERY concerned. >I just renewed my policy with them this past may and got no such increase. >I would like to know of anyone else insures with this company and if so did >you get a rate increase when you renewed? > >Thanks for you help. > >Nick > > >______________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, write to scpcrc-unsubscribe@listbot.com >MSN Messenger Service lets you stay in touch instantly with >your family & friends - Visit http://messenger.msn.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Leonard (Lou) Berkley" To: "Steven R. Zweigart" , "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: Re: PC800: I want my PC! Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:59:26 -0400 > It's difficult to burn a bridge like this in a small community, but enough > is enough. It is difficult to see how a business in a community as small as Flemingburg can stay in business with that kind of service. In a large city they can get by on sheer numbers but not where the whole community must know how they do business. Good luck and this too shall pass. Leonard ( Lou) Berkley Portsmouth Ohio lberk@zoomnet.net PC 800, CB750, HSTA, HRC,AMA Life, STOC 110 "The weather is here, I wish you were Beautiful" Jimmy Buffett -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Cled Click" To: "PC800 Listserv" Subject: PC800: CORRECT METHOD TO TIE DOWN PC800 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:41:43 -0500 PC800 Listers..... I got the following information from the local Honda dealer our their publication "The Wrench", originally published in 1989 and 1990. CORRECT METHOD TO TIE DOWN PC800 When tying down the bike - to transport it, or to hold it steady when working on it - use the correct tie-down points. Use ONLY the inner rails of the fairing protector and saddlebag protector as tie down points. NEVER use the handlebars, rear seat grabs rails, or other body parts as tie-down points. Use the front rails as the main anchoring points. The rear rails should only be used to stabilize the motorcycle. Do NOT use extreme tie-down force on the rear rails; they could bend if excessive force is applied. If the rails bend, the covers may not fit properly against the saddlebags. Also, on the left rail, be sure NOT to pinch the wire harness with the tie-down hook. You'll need to remove the protective covers to expose the rails. They come off easily by following these steps: -Fairing Protector: Remove the screw from the bottom of the protector. Squeeze the top and bottom together and pull the cover out and to the rear. -Saddlebag Protector: Squeeze the top and bottom together and pull out and to the front. Install the covers in the reverse order of disassembly. Please share this information with your fellow Coasters. Dr. Cled Click Amarillo, Texas drclick@arn.net 1989 PC800 (my son's) 1991 Silver ST1100 (my own) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tom and Anita Humphrey" To: "Cled Click" , "PC800 Listserv" Subject: RE: PC800: CORRECT METHOD TO TIE DOWN PC800 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 07:59:28 -0700 Importance: Normal I have to agree on the method of transporting and tying down a Pacific Coast - NEVER TIE DOWN THE HANDLEBARS! When my used '94 was delivered to my garage (don't ask) the dealer tied it down using the handle bars. A couple of months later, when I first rode it, the bars were "funny." Turned out they were each bent, each bent a little differently. I had to have them replaced (about $150, if I remember correctly) and all was well with the "Pacific Ghost." Tom in Clayton, CA (I hate Bambi!) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vartan Kazarov" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, philly-cycles@forum.swarthmore.edu Subject: PC800: For Sale: Arai 15mm cheekpads for Quantum/RX7 helmets Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 08:54:51 PDT Hello all, I have a set of 15mm cheekpads for Arai Quantum/RX7 helmets for sale. It is brand new and never used. I bought it together with a helmet, thinking that I will need to replaces existing cheekpads with thinner ones, but actually standard cheekpads suit me better. Cheekpads sell for $40 at mail order stores such as Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse, possibly for more at a dealer. I am asking $25 plus $3.20 priority mail shipping. I can deliver in NE Philadelphia area to save you on shipping. Please reply privately. Thank you. Vartan -- Vartan Kazarov 98PC800 "Red October" _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 09:51:08 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Harvey P Sattin CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Traffic jam Hi Harvey, Harvey P Sattin wrote: > Why do trucks tailgate cars on the highway, driving so close at such high > speeds? Impatience and galactic stupidity... My two cents... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 137,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 10:08:28 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: KGray96057@aol.com CC: PC800@hpc.uh.edu, "Ann S. Reid" Subject: Re: PC800: Drink holder. Hi, KGray96057@aol.com wrote: > My first confession- I've been enjoying the heat wave we've been having out > here on the prairie. snip... I do too (enjoy hot weather) but didn't until I experienced hot DRY weather. Growing up in Minnesota I always associated heat with humidity which I don't like. > Apparently I sweat so freely in the heat that my body is kept comfortable by > the evaporation.. However, all of this means that I end up drinking a great > deal more water than most. I do too. I can lose 5 pounds in a day (all fluid) while drinking a gallon or more of Gatorade. Speaking of which, if you haven't tried Gatorade, you might. I find it to be much better than water or any other liquid for hot weather/dehydration use. I have come in from working in the heat with a slight headache (start of heat problems), drank a few swallows of Gatorade (cool to warm - usually not icy cold) and within a few minutes I feel completely recovered and ready to continue. A friend of mine and I moved a 10x25 foot storage area (filled a 27 foot U-Haul van) in 120 degree heat (actually it was about 125 where we were) in Redding, CA about 9 years ago. We spent all day doing it, drank about 4 gallons of Gatorade between us and were tired but none the worse for wear the next day. He had not tried Gatorade before that time but has been a fan ever since. I have and had been using it for years and find it to be extremely effective in hot weather situations. When I am going on a motorcycle trip through hot country, I usually carry a quart bottle of it, or more, in the trunk. The stuff is effective for me even if it is warm. FWIW... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 137,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Cc: "Ascon de Vries" Subject: PC800: Confession...I'm sorry...forgive me....please......... Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 21:34:14 +0200 >My impressions: >ST1100- I really liked it. The riding position was comfortable for me. The >engine pulled harder at 2,000 RPMs than my PC at 3,000 RPMs. I'm really >looking forward to a new sport-tourer from Honda! Maybe with an adjustable >windshield? I really liked it too. Actually you can get an adjustable windshield ( http://www.mra.de/HONDA/st1100.htm ), but who needs one when you've figured out which screen is perfect for you, so you don't need adjusting after that.... Confession....... Actually I liked the ST so much that I went out and bought one today, a '92 ST1100 ABS/TCS with 43K miles on it (UK import) in aubergine color (very very dark purple, tres chique). It has a perfect alternative high screen for me (quiet wihout earplugs up to at least 180 km/h) and fairing extensions on mirrors and legfairing. I can enjoy my PC for another 10 days, after that I will pick up the ST and have to say my farewell to my beloved PC. I got such a could deal on my PC and the ST was such a bargain (and had ABS/TCS, which I really like), I could not resist. I've been lurking on the ST and PanEuro list as long as the PC list, but never really liked either. The PC community is much nicer and closer, so I really, really, really would like to stay with you guys, can I please please ? Just wanna say that I've really enjoyed my PC, it is a perfect bike and I would not have changed bikes if it wasn't for the ST, which is just a little more perfect for my riding style. I never really had a lack of power on the PC, but liked the incredible amount of 'UMPF' on the ST, it gives me a kick. I never really was bothered with the "all the weight on the ass" seating postion of the PC, but I actually favor the ST position which distributes my weight better across arms, legs and ass (and I have more room for my long legs and arms, only kneeroom is tight). And offcourse that luxureous 28 liter (7.4 Gallon) tank. Gonna miss the hydraulic valve adjusters, the stereo, the attention I got for having such a beautifull, rare and unique bike and offcourse I'll miss performing the trunk trick. The trunk....really gonna miss that trunk.... I feel sorry the PC is not produced anymore, it deserves a lot more attention. But for me, right now, the ST just fits my style better. I feel sorry for cheating on my PC, yet I feel so happy with my new mistress..... all that energy...and she can go on for hours.....looking forward allready.... : ) Hope you guys can forgive me....I'm sorry....... Emile '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" '92 ST ABS/TCS [standing by, yet to be named] http://fly.to/emile -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 15:32:15 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: Selden Deemer CC: PC 800 List Subject: Re: PC800: Re: drink holders Selden Deemer wrote: > Yes, Camelbaks are wonderful. I fill mine with ice cubes and just a > little bit of water to fill in the spaces. As a side note, I once saw a show on a place that cuts ice blocks (big blocks) and keeps it in a barn for summer use. An interesting thing was that they made sure to have pebbles and several inches of sawdust under the ice. Their statement was that nothing melts ice quicker than sitting in water. They want all the water to drain away as soon as it melts. I applied this to our travels and noted that our two half gallon containers, that are frozen when we leave the house, last much longer if we are sure to drain the water (down our throats) periodically. They will last, in a hot trailer, but next to each other in a soft side cooler about 5 days straight, in 90+ heat. Ice cold water the whole hot trip. The only problem is that it sometimes doesn't melt fast enough. Bottom line, your ice in your cooler will last longer if you don't add any water. TommyTeal -- 93 SE 95 Hannigan 97 Pacific Coast 98 V-Star Classic (Black Cherry over Crimson) GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by land.willinet.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 14:47:25 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 14:47:40 -0500 From: Ryan To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Confession...I'm sorry...forgive me....please......... > I really liked it too. Actually you can get an adjustable windshield ( http://www.mra.de/HONDA/st1100.htm ), > but who needs one when you've figured out which screen is perfect for you, so you > don't need adjusting after that.... I don't know if I'd agree with that. Sometimes its nice to pull in to a town and drop the shield to get some air, then when you get back on the road and its cold you bring it up again. Great for people who ride in this Iowa weather, were we run the heat in the morning and the air by noon. Ryan -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by land.willinet.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 15:16:24 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 15:16:40 -0500 From: Ryan To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: drink holders More unrelated ice stuff follows: > As a side note, I once saw a show on a place that cuts ice blocks (big > blocks) and keeps it in a barn for summer use. An interesting thing was > that they made sure to have pebbles and several inches of sawdust under > the ice. Their statement was that nothing melts ice quicker than > sitting in water. They want all the water to drain away as soon as it > melts. Hmm. When I worked in the corn fields as a young adult (I'm a 21 yr old foggie now) I used to take one of those medium sized thermoses filled with ice water. What I noticed is that when I filled it with water and freezed it into a solid block over night, the entire thing would be melted in 2-4 hours. But when I filled it full of ice cubes and then filled it up with water on top of that, I still had ice/water 6-8 hours later.... And just so this is PC related, when I fill my PC trunk with ice, the right side melts quicker, probably because of the exaust.... Ryan -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "R. A. Robinson" To: "PC 800" Subject: PC800: Cyadica Nerve Question? Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 16:57:28 -0400 Has anyone experienced any problem with their left or right leg nerve = called the "Cyadic", nerve hurting from riding the PC800? The nerve runs = down the left and right leg, and causes sharp pain for me at least = lately. I have been riding my PC for 1yr and 1/2, and have never had a = problem until two weeks ago. The nerve problem so far has only been in = my left leg and hip area. I notice it when I have been riding for 30 = minutes or more, and when I go to dismount the bike or get on it, MAN = THE thing hurts like a dickens. I was wondering if I might need to get a new Corbin seat or what?. Just = curious if anyone has had this problem and if so what they did to = correct it. I am taking a stab in the dark as far as spelling of the = nerve is concerned. But the doctor says the nerve is the problem, so I = hope I spelled it right.=20 Any input would be greately appreciated. Thanks in advance. R. A. Robinson L1011 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 15:54:12 -0500 To: "PC800" From: "R. Fenwick" Subject: Re: PC800: Confession...I'm sorry...forgive me....please......... You... you... you... you... you... you... Traitor, you... you... you...Turncoat, you... you... you.. Double crosser, you... you... you... Rebel, you... you... you... Revolter! :-) Enjoy it, Emile. Just have fun and be safe, whatever you ride. :-) I'm kinda hurt, because it was the pictures of "his" PC on his website, that drew me to the 1990 model. *sniff* Oh well, maybe who ever buys "his" PC will join up with us soon... Rich Fenwick At 09:34 PM 8/4/99 +0200, Emile Nossin wrote: >>My impressions: >>ST1100- I really liked it. The riding position was comfortable for me. The >>engine pulled harder at 2,000 RPMs than my PC at 3,000 RPMs. I'm really >>looking forward to a new sport-tourer from Honda! Maybe with an adjustable >>windshield? > >I really liked it too. Actually you can get an adjustable windshield ( >http://www.mra.de/HONDA/st1100.htm ), >but who needs one when you've figured out which screen is perfect for you, >so you >don't need adjusting after that.... > >Confession....... > >Actually I liked the ST so much that I went out and bought one today, >a '92 ST1100 ABS/TCS with 43K miles on it (UK import) in aubergine >color (very very dark purple, tres chique). It has a perfect alternative >high screen >for me (quiet wihout earplugs up to at least 180 km/h) and fairing extensions >on mirrors and legfairing. I can enjoy my PC for another 10 days, after that >I will pick up the ST and have to say my farewell to my beloved PC. >I got such a could deal on my PC and the ST was such a bargain (and >had ABS/TCS, which I really like), I could not resist. > >I've been lurking on the ST and PanEuro list as long as the PC list, >but never really liked either. The PC community is much nicer and closer, >so I really, really, really would like to stay with you guys, can I please >please ? > >Just wanna say that I've really enjoyed my PC, it is a perfect bike and I would >not have changed bikes if it wasn't for the ST, which is just a little more >perfect >for my riding style. I never really had a lack of power on the PC, but liked >the >incredible amount of 'UMPF' on the ST, it gives me a kick. I never really was >bothered with the "all the weight on the ass" seating postion of the PC, but >I actually favor the ST position which distributes my weight better across >arms, >legs and ass (and I have more room for my long legs and arms, only kneeroom is >tight). And offcourse that luxureous 28 liter (7.4 Gallon) tank. >Gonna miss the hydraulic valve adjusters, the stereo, the attention I got for >having such a beautifull, rare and unique bike and offcourse I'll miss >performing >the trunk trick. The trunk....really gonna miss that trunk.... >I feel sorry the PC is not produced anymore, it deserves a lot >more attention. But for me, right now, the ST just fits my style better. > >I feel sorry for cheating on my PC, yet I feel so happy with my new >mistress..... >all that energy...and she can go on for hours.....looking forward >allready.... : ) > >Hope you guys can forgive me....I'm sorry....... > >Emile >'90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" >'92 ST ABS/TCS [standing by, yet to be named] >http://fly.to/emile > > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 17:02:17 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Cyadica Nerve Question? To: rar205@sundial.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) rar205@sundial.net writes: >Has anyone experienced any problem with their left or right leg >nerve called the "Cyadic", nerve hurting from riding the PC800? >The nerve runs down the left and right leg, and causes sharp pain >for me at least lately. I have been riding my PC for 1yr and 1/2, >and have never had a problem until two weeks ago. The nerve >problem so far has only been in my left leg and hip area. I notice >it when I have been riding for 30 minutes or more, and when I go >to dismount the bike or get on it, MAN THE thing hurts like a >dickens. > >I was wondering if I might need to get a new Corbin seat or what?. >Just curious if anyone has had this problem and if so what they >did to correct it. I am taking a stab in the dark as far as >spelling of the nerve is concerned. But the doctor says the nerve >is the problem, so I hope I spelled it right. > >Any input would be greately appreciated. Thanks in advance. > >R. A. Robinson L1011 I have not had this problem with my Pacific Coast, but I did have it with one of my early Subaru cars. The seat was so thinly padded that one of the springs caused irritation to that very same spot on my left side. This car was my first and only standard transmission vehicle and the movement of my leg over that spring while I used the clutch caused the problem. The doctor gave me pills to stop the pain and I quickly got rid of the car. I can see where there might be a similar problem for someone on the Pacific Coast with the stock seat. On a motorcycle seat all I ever got was a serious soreness in those bones from sitting on the too soft seat. It happened after a couple hours and lasted for days after a long ride. My Corbin seat being a much, much firmer seat has cured the problem. I never would have believed it if I had not bought one last year and put 12,000 miles on it. Tim Davies- '98 Pacific Coast,"Yankee Smuggler" Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 16:07:28 -0500 To: "R. A. Robinson" , "PC 800" From: "R. Fenwick" Subject: Re: PC800: Cyadica Nerve Question? I'm no M.D., but I am guessing that you mean "Sciatic"... By doctor, do you mean a Doctor, as in an M.D., or as in a Chiropractor? If its an MD you've seen, I'd see a Chiropractor. It could easily be a misalignment, I know I can't ride too well when my hip is out of alignment... (Yes, I have these problems and I am young... I grew about 6 inches in a 6 month period while in high school and I've had problems since...) Let me know. I wonder if a good Chiropractor could help. Many people don't "believe" in Chiropractors (mostly the "medical establishment"), I'd be a miserable person without mine.... A good one can do wonders, and most health plans and HMO's will cover Chiropractic care and treatment. Rich Fenwick 1990 PC800L, 19,650 miles At 04:57 PM 8/4/99 -0400, R. A. Robinson wrote: > > Has anyone experienced any problem with their left or right leg nerve called > the "Cyadic", nerve hurting from riding the PC800? The nerve runs down the > left and right leg, and causes sharp pain for me at least lately. I have been > riding my PC for 1yr and 1/2, and have never had a problem until two weeks > ago. The nerve problem so far has only been in my left leg and hip area. I > notice it when I have been riding for 30 minutes or more, and when I go to > dismount the bike or get on it, MAN THE thing hurts like a dickens. > > I was wondering if I might need to get a new Corbin seat or what?. Just > curious if anyone has had this problem and if so what they did to correct it. > I am taking a stab in the dark as far as spelling of the nerve is concerned. > But the doctor says the nerve is the problem, so I hope I spelled it right. > > Any input would be greately appreciated. Thanks in advance. > > R. A. Robinson L1011 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 17:11:41 -0400 Subject: PC800: Tool kit Rachet Handle To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) Last week while I was waiting for my dealer to do the 12,000 & 16,000 mile service on my motorcycle I wandered around the shopping center next door. I found a great little rachet set from Thorsen (#30018) that has a rachet handle that is only 3 inches long. It fits perfectly in my stock Honda tool kit pouch with all the other tools. It comes with 6 1/4" drive sockets and 10 assorted phillips, flat blade, hex and torx bits for $9.99. Unfortunately the Advance Auto Parts store I bought it from only had a version with SAE sockets so I had to buy a 1/4" drive 12mm and 10mm socket for my motorcycle. All I really wanted was the rachet handle anyway, but small metric sockets would have been a plus. I don't know if they make a version with metric sockets, but the handle alone is worth $9.99 to me when I'm on the roadside trying to remove the two seat bolts. Tim Davies- '98 Pacific Coast,"Yankee Smuggler" Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 13:47:05 -0800 From: jgoula To: PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: Cyadica Nerve Question? > "R. A. Robinson" wrote: > > Has anyone experienced any problem with their left or right leg nerve called > the "Cyadic", nerve hurting from riding the PC800? > Any input would be greately appreciated. Thanks in advance. FWIW, my wife had similar symptoms, with pain running down the back of her left leg and some back-ache. Turns out she has a herniated disk, L4-L5. X-rays didn't show it, but an MRI sure did! No more riding for her this season. Be careful. -- Juan Antonio Goula Fairbanks, Alaska Lat.: 64.85°N, Long.: 147.72°W "There is only one difference between a non-rider and me. I am not mad." (with apologies to Salvador Dalí) ------------------------------------------------- School of Fisheries and Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks (907)474-5520 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Netscape Messaging Server 4.04 Jul 21 1999 18:33:18) with SMTP id FFYNB802.O7L; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:49:56 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jruby@gci.net (josephine ruby) To: "R. A. Robinson" , "PC 800" Subject: Re: PC800: Cyadica Nerve Question? Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 13:49:53 -0800 (AKDT) I had the same problem...what cured me is I bought a Valkyrie! ;-) After 30 to 40 miles on the PC my hip and leg would get to hurting pretty bad, about all I could do is 70 miles max. It seems the extra weight I gained pushed me forward onto the tank and my leg was hitting the area where there wasn't much padding. I put a Mustang seat on the Valk and I can easily ride for 100 miles without extreme agony. Maybe trying to put some highway pegs on the PC would help. Jo Ruby (still lurking around) Juneau, AK "R. A. Robinson" wrote: >Has anyone experienced any problem with their left or right leg nerve called the "Cyadic", nerve hurting from riding the PC800? The nerve runs down the left and right leg, and causes sharp pain for me at least lately. I have been riding my PC for 1yr and 1/2, and have never had a problem until two weeks ago. The nerve problem so far has only been in my left leg and hip area. I notice it when I have been riding for 30 minutes or more, and when I go to dismount the bike or get on it, MAN THE thing hurts like a dickens. > >I was wondering if I might need to get a new Corbin seat or what?. Just curious if anyone has had this problem and if so what they did to correct it. I am taking a stab in the dark as far as spelling of the nerve is concerned. But the doctor says the nerve is the problem, so I hope I spelled it right. > >Any input would be greately appreciated. Thanks in advance. > >R. A. Robinson L1011 > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Peter Noeth To: PC 800 List Subject: RE: PC800: Re: drink holders Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 16:16:48 -0700 That's true for preserving ice, but for putting the ice to work in an ice chest, it often helps to have some water mixed in, to better contact the cold with the objects you want cooled. Peter Noeth || Rocklin, CA || Fireball, '96 w/10k and loving every minuite! > ---------- > From: Thomas Ongstad[SMTP:gwta@voyager.net] > Reply To: gwta@voyager.net > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 12:32 PM > To: Selden Deemer > Cc: PC 800 List > Subject: Re: PC800: Re: drink holders > > Selden Deemer wrote: > > > Yes, Camelbaks are wonderful. I fill mine with ice cubes and just a > > little bit of water to fill in the spaces. > > As a side note, I once saw a show on a place that cuts ice blocks (big > blocks) and keeps it in a barn for summer use. An interesting thing was > that they made sure to have pebbles and several inches of sawdust under > the ice. Their statement was that nothing melts ice quicker than > sitting in water. They want all the water to drain away as soon as it > melts. > > I applied this to our travels and noted that our two half gallon > containers, that are frozen when we leave the house, last much longer if > we are sure to drain the water (down our throats) periodically. They > will last, in a hot trailer, but next to each other in a soft side > cooler about 5 days straight, in 90+ heat. > > Ice cold water the whole hot trip. The only problem is that it > sometimes doesn't melt fast enough. > > Bottom line, your ice in your cooler will last longer if you don't add > any water. > > TommyTeal > -- > 93 SE > 95 Hannigan > > 97 Pacific Coast > 98 V-Star Classic (Black Cherry over Crimson) > GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 18:46:19 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: "R. A. Robinson" CC: PC 800 Subject: Re: PC800: Cyadica Nerve Question? "R. A. Robinson" wrote: > Has anyone experienced any problem with their left or right leg > nerve called the "Cyadic", nerve hurting from riding the PC800? The > nerve runs down the left and right leg, and causes sharp pain for me > at least lately. I have been riding my PC for 1yr and 1/2, and have > never had a problem until two weeks ago. The nerve problem so far > has only been in my left leg and hip area. I notice it when I have > been riding for 30 minutes or more, and when I go to dismount the > bike or get on it, MAN THE thing hurts like a dickens. I was > wondering if I might need to get a new Corbin seat or what?. Just > curious if anyone has had this problem and if so what they did to > correct it. I am taking a stab in the dark as far as spelling of the > nerve is concerned. But the doctor says the nerve is the problem, so > I hope I spelled it right. Any input would be greately appreciated. > Thanks in advance. I had a herniated disk that was pinching my sciatic nerve. About 5 or 6 weeks with a Physical Therapist and I am almost good as new. He is a ST1100 rider and let me ride the whole time as long as I kept an arch in my back. ( with my belly pooched out ) Absolutely NOOOO forward bending or twisting until the back healed. My pain was better when I was riding. I have my bars adjusted forward and it makes me lean straight armed onto the bars. It puts a natural arch in my back. Once the therapist got the bulge worked back into my spinal cord, he gave me exercises to do that strengthen the muscles around the back so that it doesn't happen again. I was going to a chiropractor for about 2 weeks before I found the Physical Therapist. The therapist was recommended by a orthopedic surgeon friend that I was afraid to go see because I was afraid of surgery. The therapist gave me a book call "Treat your own back" by Robin McKenzie. Physical Therapist and some chiropractors use the methods taught in this book. If you go to a chiropractor that doesn't use this method, RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN. The one I was seeing was doing much more damage than good. The very first session with the Physical Therapist, I regained feeling in my foot. He hung me up in a harness over a treadmill and made me walk for about 30 minutes with about 150 of my 260 lbs suspended in the harness. I then went home and did the stretches and felt the rush of feeling come back in my foot and leg. I knew then that I had found the right person. It took weeks for the disk to heal and I will need to do the exercises forever to prevent it from happening again. At least I could ride and didn't have to go under the knife. Just remember, The McKenzie Method. Forget and run from "adjustments". -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 (Tar-Baby) 1974 Kawasaki Z1-A 900 (The Mistress) IronButt Association, 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 19:30:45 -0500 From: Ralph Couey To: "R. A. Robinson" CC: PC 800 Subject: Re: PC800: Cyadica Nerve Question? R.A., The only problem I've had is cramping in the hip flexor muscle. That was solved by the advice of my osteo who suggested a series of stretching exercises before riding. My advice is to do this indoors, since this involves lying on your back. The first time I did these, two college students walked by, glanced at me and said, "White men can't break dance." Seriously, you might check with a physical therapist. There might be some stretching exercises you can do which might relieve some of the pressure on the nerve. Good luck. Ralph Couey > "R. A. Robinson" wrote: > > Has anyone experienced any problem with their left or right leg nerve > called the "Cyadic", nerve hurting from riding the PC800? The nerve > runs down the left and right leg, and causes sharp pain for me at > least lately. I have been riding my PC for 1yr and 1/2, and have never > had a problem until two weeks ago. The nerve problem so far has only > been in my left leg and hip area. I notice it when I have been riding > for 30 minutes or more, and when I go to dismount the bike or get on > it, MAN THE thing hurts like a dickens. > > I was wondering if I might need to get a new Corbin seat or what?. > Just curious if anyone has had this problem and if so what they did to > correct it. I am taking a stab in the dark as far as spelling of the > nerve is concerned. But the doctor says the nerve is the problem, so I > hope I spelled it right. > > Any input would be greately appreciated. Thanks in advance. > > R. A. Robinson L1011 -- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Desmond Cockburn" To: rar205@sundial.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Cyadica Nerve Question? Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 18:24:35 PDT In great agony, R.A. wrote >Has anyone experienced any problem with their left or right leg nerve >called the "Cyadic", nerve hurting from riding the PC800? These symptoms could be caused by the sciatic nerve or they could be caused by other pathology in the lower back. The most common and conservative treatment for acute sciatica is rest, heat and over the counter anti inflamatories, ie, Advil, Aleve or asprin. Be advised that the above meds will aggravate any stomach problems such as ulcer, hyperacidity, or hiatal hernia. Take these medications with meals !!! If you live in an area of the country that has Osteopathic physicians I would recommend you try one of these guys before you try a Chiropractor. You will need an Osteopathic physician who still does OMT's, this is important and ask them that when you call for an appointment. OMT is the technique of realigning the hip joints and lumbar discs. Some Osteopaths don't do this and want to treat you like a regular MD, see most common treatment above. I have periodic sciatica and have an Osteopathic physician who can usually fix the problem with one treatment, sometimes two. Usually the pain is gone by the time I drive the 30 miles back home. PS: I am a registered nurse and worked with an Osteopathic physician for a number of years and have complete faith in their practice. Des 95 PC, Dream Weaver Okmulgee, Ok. "When reality looks too ugly, just fantasize. It can't hurt." Jimmy Buffett _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail1.noc0.hsacorp.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.1b5) with SMTP id 989290 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 22:11:57 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve Zweigart" To: "Pacific Coast List" Subject: PC800: Geeza Cover Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 21:39:18 -0400 Besides finally getting my long lost PC back from the dealer (nicely tuned, I might add), I also got my brand new Geeza cover today. Now for the really stupid question...How do you put the thing on? The instructions say to start at the front, facing the "Geeza Logo." Mine doesn't have Geeza logo. All it has is one end with a small tag inside that says "L". This is at the "smaller" (more tightly bound by stretchy edging) end. When I try to put it on with the looser "larger" end at the front, it keeps slipping off and what look like footpeg loops aren't close enough to be used without TIGHTLY stretching the cover across the windscreen. When I put the other end on the front, it stays on, and the footpegs line up, but it has a really ugly "nose" pooching out in the front. Nothing like the photos referred to previously on the list. The instructions are really quite useless, but it's really sort of hard to explain in writing something that should be this simple. Any tips from other Geeza users will be GREATLY appreciated. Which end is SUPPOSED to be the front? What are the loops supposed to hook to? How far down on the PC is the cover supposed to extend? (That stuff is REALLY stretchy!) Steve Zweigart Maysville, Kentucky '97 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail1.noc0.hsacorp.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.1b5) with SMTP id 989292 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 22:11:58 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve Zweigart" To: "Pacific Coast List" Subject: PC800: Camera Mount Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 21:52:23 -0400 AT LONG LAST.... Here's the information some of you requested about a camera mount which fits nicely on the handlebars of the PC (or anything else, including car windows, skateboard, dog, etc. (Took me awhile to receive another catalog with the item in it.) Not necessarily pushing this source, but it's the only one I've ever run across that has this unique item: Ultraclamp: Designed to attach to rolled down car windows, bicycle handle bars, railings, tabletops, or anything up to 1.5" thick. Clamp body is made of a high strength aluminum alloy extrusion. The Ultraclamp has a ball head which allows you to rotate or tilt your 35mm camera, camcorder, spotting scope, binoculars, or anything with a standard mounting thread. Color: Black. Made in USA. Can be bought from Campmor - 1999 Fall Catalog. www.campmor.com or (800) 226-7667 (Part No. 82058-E $19.99) (They've got lots of other goodies, too...it's worth a call or visit to their web page to get on their mailing list!) Note: My camera has an anti-vibration feature which is the ONLY reason that it works being clamped to the handle bars of the PC. If it were a regular camera, or not in anti-vibrate mode, the video would be useless. If anyone would like to see a photo of my PC with the camera installed on it, let me know. I'll take a digi-photo and try to e-mail it to you. Steve Zweigart Maysville, Kentucky '97 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 21:20:54 -0500 From: William Drake To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: PC800 Compliment Hi everybody, this is the former Pengn Fan @aol.com, I switched ISP and was able to get this screen name. But anyhow, WHile dropping off a video at blockbust tonite, I bumped into a Harley rider and his wife, and bean talking about the Pacfic Coast. They both liked how it looked and of course our wonderful trunks. After filling them both in on the other great things on the PC, the young man on the Harley, said, if Harley would make a bike like this(speaking of the PC), I'd buy one to. Score one for our great bikes. Ride safe everyone Bill '97 PC 800 Bolingbrook, IL -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:57:12 -0400 To: "Steve Zweigart" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Geeza Cover Cc: "Pacific Coast List" At 9:39 PM -0400 8/4/99, Steve Zweigart wrote: >Besides finally getting my long lost PC back from the dealer (nicely tuned, >I might add), I also got my brand new Geeza cover today. Now for the really >stupid question...How do you put the thing on? > >The instructions say to start at the front, facing the "Geeza Logo." Mine >doesn't have Geeza logo. That's the first problem. I would call Tom and make sure he sent the right cover. Secondly, if it is the right cover and it is missing the logo, he will pay shipping both ways so you can have the logo put on. And...most important of all...did you mention my name when you ordered? That would have given you a 10% discount. Geza has a referral system, kind of like the MCI Friends and Family thing.... As far as fitting it goes, look carefully at it and you will notice that at one end of the cover it has a seam in the center about 2 and a half feet long. At the other end there are two seams, about 2 feet apart. The end with one seam goes over the front of the bike with the top end of the seam about in line with the top of the shield, and the bottom end of the seam reaches down under the headlight. The back of the cover stretches down over the trunk completely, unless you have a Givi in which case it stretches over the box and about half the trunk. Good luck.... fsl :-) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail1.noc0.hsacorp.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.1b5) with SMTP id 989901; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 22:59:55 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve Zweigart" To: "Pacific Coast List" , "Francois Saint Laurent" Subject: Re: PC800: Geeza Cover Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:59:45 -0400 I really don't care whether or not it has a logo (though I'm sure Tom would like for it to have one). Is the logo simply the word "GEEZA"? The way you describe that the unit goes on puts the "size tag" in the front on mine. It definitely covers the bike that way, and stays on well, but fits a little less tightly than I guessed it would. (I think I could use it for a bivy tent in a pinch!) Does yours have the "L" tag (assumedly "large") in it? Is that tag in the front end? I certainly did mention your name. Now others can mention mine, too! (Are we members of an exclusive club now?) I'm on my way back out to the garage to play with the cover again. Thanks for the reply! Steve Zweigart Maysville, Kentucky '97 PC-800 ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Francois Saint Laurent To: Steve Zweigart Cc: Pacific Coast List Sent: Wednesday, 04 August 1999 22:57 Subject: Re: PC800: Geeza Cover > > > That's the first problem. I would call Tom and make sure he sent > the right cover. Secondly, if it is the right cover and it is missing > the logo, he will pay shipping both ways so you can have the logo put > on. > > And...most important of all...did you mention my name when you > ordered? That would have given you a 10% discount. Geza has a > referral system, kind of like the MCI Friends and Family thing.... > > As far as fitting it goes, look carefully at it and you will notice > that at one end of the cover it has a seam in the center about 2 and > a half feet long. At the other end there are two seams, about 2 feet > apart. The end with one seam goes over the front of the bike with > the top end of the seam about in line with the top of the shield, and > the bottom end of the seam reaches down under the headlight. The back > of the cover stretches down over the trunk completely, unless you > have a Givi in which case it stretches over the box and about half > the trunk. > > > Good luck.... > > fsl :-) > > (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) > > Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 > Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda > > HSTA Member Number 7470 > > (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:29:43 +1200 To: PC800 Rider From: Richard Proctor Subject: Re: PC800: Confession...lovely coincidence How 'bout that! I'll be in Holland in September and Emile has thisnice red PC800 he's not using.......... Richard Proctor NZ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 00:29:51 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Tom and Anita Humphrey CC: Cled Click , PC800 Listserv Subject: Re: PC800: CORRECT METHOD TO TIE DOWN PC800 Hi Tom, Tom and Anita Humphrey wrote: > I have to agree on the method of transporting and tying down a Pacific > Coast - NEVER TIE DOWN THE HANDLEBARS! Baloney! Pardon the emphasis but I have towed my PC many thousands (probably 6 or 7 at least) with it tied down with the handlebars in front. Absolutely NO DAMAGE WHATSOEVER. It depends on HOW you tie it down using the handlebars and WITH WHAT. There is a whole series of pictures on the PC800 web site that I took showing how I tie it down and what I use. I use a harness from CanyonDancer in Red Bluff, CA. That harness allows me to use the handlebars safely as a tie-down point. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 137,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 00:48:04 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Cled Click , Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: CORRECT METHOD TO TIE DOWN PC800 Hi Cled, Cled Click wrote: > PC800 Listers..... I got the following information from the local Honda > dealer our their publication "The Wrench", originally published in 1989 and > 1990. > > CORRECT METHOD TO TIE DOWN PC800 snip... I know that the information you supplied is what Honda recommends. However... If you will check out the PC800 web page, you will find a series of pictures I took and supplied showing how and with what I tie down my PC when trailering it behind my motorhome. I have several thousand miles (6 or 7 thousand, at least) trailering my PC in this manner. Contrary to Honda's recommendations, I use the handlebars to tie down in front using a CanyonDancer Bar Harness and I use the passenger grab rails in the rear. Other than some marks on the passenger grab rails where the tie down hooks rest, there is absolutely no damage to my PC at all from being trailered in this fashion. The CanyonDancer harness consists of a two cuffs with a strap with a looped end attached to each cuff. The strap from one cuff runs through the opposite cuff. The cuffs are placed over the handlebar ends. The result is that the strap that is attached to the left handlebar end is tied down at the right front of the bike and vice versa. The opposing forces supposedly cancel each other out. It certainly appears to work because I've had no problems and have not bent my handlebars. They flex a small amount when I tighten the straps to compress the front suspension but that is it and that flexing has caused no problems, plastic damage, etc., etc. The kind of force described on the passenger grab rails is NOT necessary to hold the bike securely; I just tighten the tiedowns until they are taut. I suspect I put more force on them when I lift the bike onto the centerstand. Given the amount of time and distance that I have towed the PC in this manner, if there were going to be any damage it would long since have showed up. I normally follow Honda's recommendations to the letter but in this case I did not and have had absolutely NO regrets for not doing so. The proof is in the pudding, as far as I am concerned... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 137,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "MTW" To: "Steve Zweigart" , "Pacific Coast List" Subject: Re: PC800: Camera Mount Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 06:39:03 -0400 Thanks Steve, Greg managed to strap his camcorder to his tank bag an shot some good footage, including a herd of bison being spooked by us , a mile long stretch of 5" deep sand for a road going into Yellowknife and me riding across the Macinack (sp?) bridge on a real windy day. My tankbag angled up and I coulden't do the same. I'll definately check it out. MIke Whited ' 94 PC Columbus OH. -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Steve Zweigart To: Pacific Coast List Date: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 10:09 PM Subject: PC800: Camera Mount >AT LONG LAST.... > >Here's the information some of you requested about a camera mount which fits >nicely on the handlebars of the PC (or anything else, including car windows, >skateboard, dog, etc. (Took me awhile to receive another catalog with the >item in it.) Not necessarily pushing this source, but it's the only one >I've ever run across that has this unique item: > >Ultraclamp: Designed to attach to rolled down car windows, bicycle handle >bars, railings, tabletops, or anything up to 1.5" thick. Clamp body is made >of a high strength aluminum alloy extrusion. The Ultraclamp has a ball head >which allows you to rotate or tilt your 35mm camera, camcorder, spotting >scope, binoculars, or anything with a standard mounting thread. Color: >Black. Made in USA. > >Can be bought from Campmor - 1999 Fall Catalog. www.campmor.com or (800) >226-7667 (Part No. 82058-E $19.99) > >(They've got lots of other goodies, too...it's worth a call or visit to >their web page to get on their mailing list!) > >Note: My camera has an anti-vibration feature which is the ONLY reason that >it works being clamped to the handle bars of the PC. If it were a regular >camera, or not in anti-vibrate mode, the video would be useless. > >If anyone would like to see a photo of my PC with the camera installed on >it, let me know. I'll take a digi-photo and try to e-mail it to you. > >Steve Zweigart >Maysville, Kentucky >'97 PC800 > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Cled Click" To: "Leland C. Sheppard" Cc: "PC800 Listserv" Subject: Re: PC800: CORRECT METHOD TO TIE DOWN PC800 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 05:54:35 -0500 Hello Leland, Thanks for your input and report. Perhaps the CanyonDancer tie down harness was not in manufacture at the time Honda wrote their tie down recommendations back in 1989 and 1990. I presume just tying down the bike by the handlebars left side to left anchor and right side to right anchor HAS caused damage to the handlebars or the service bulletin would not have been issued by Honda. Their advice to use the rails of the crash bars was probably made so owners could safely transport their cycles without having to purchase any other special webbing or harness to do so..... and, again, perhaps such a harness was not commercially available then. Is the CanyonDancer harness still made? If so, do you know a distributor or reseller to recommend..... and would you post information about how to contact them? Your fellow Coasters will probably be grateful for the information..... or they can just tie down to the inner rail crash bars as Honda recommends without having to purchase any special device. Dr. Cled Click drclick@arn.net Amarillo, Texas 1989 PC800 (my son's) 1991 Silver ST1100 (my own) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "R. Fenwick" To: "Cled Click" , "Leland C. Sheppard" Cc: "PC800 Listserv" Subject: Re: PC800: CORRECT METHOD TO TIE DOWN PC800 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 07:19:09 -0500 One thing to realize is this. Leland's trailer has high walls (nearly as tall as the bike if I remember correctly) that he ties his bike to. Although his way of tying his bike down may be better in his case, my trailer just has 12' high walls. His method would not be as good on my trailer as the Honda method, since the tie down points on my trailer are low on the trailer. In June, I hauled my PC using the Honda method, with no troubles whatsoever, with absolutely NO damage to my PC. Once the crash bar pads are removed, there is nothing for the straps to damage. Plus, I did not have to buy the rather pricey handlebar harness, which is totally unnecessary with tying down per Honda's recommendations. With the PC on the trailer, I drove 75 mph, on some of Illinois' worst stretches of interstate and 2 lanes, without a problem. It rode on that trailer like a champ. So to be fair, Leland's method is tried and true on a trailer with walls as high as the bike, and I have found Honda's method to be tried and true on a trailer with no or low walls, with low tie down points. Rich Fenwick 1990 PC800L, 19,650 miles -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Cled Click To: Leland C. Sheppard Cc: PC800 Listserv Date: Thursday, August 05, 1999 5:57 AM Subject: Re: PC800: CORRECT METHOD TO TIE DOWN PC800 >Hello Leland, > >Thanks for your input and report. Perhaps the CanyonDancer tie down harness >was not in manufacture at the time Honda wrote their tie down >recommendations back in 1989 and 1990. I presume just tying down the bike >by the handlebars left side to left anchor and right side to right anchor >HAS caused damage to the handlebars or the service bulletin would not have >been issued by Honda. > >Their advice to use the rails of the crash bars was probably made so owners >could safely transport their cycles without having to purchase any other >special webbing or harness to do so..... and, again, perhaps such a harness >was not commercially available then. > >Is the CanyonDancer harness still made? If so, do you know a distributor or >reseller to recommend..... and would you post information about how to >contact them? Your fellow Coasters will probably be grateful for the >information..... or they can just tie down to the inner rail crash bars as >Honda recommends without having to purchase any special device. > >Dr. Cled Click >drclick@arn.net >Amarillo, Texas >1989 PC800 (my son's) >1991 Silver ST1100 (my own) > > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:32:28 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: CORRECT METHOD TO TIE DOWN PC800 To: lcshepp@directcon.net, anitom@pacbell.net CC: drclick@arn.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 8/5/99 2:32:40 AM Mountain Daylight Time, lcshepp@directcon.net writes: << I have towed my PC many thousands (probably 6 or 7 at least) with it tied down with the handlebars in front. Absolutely NO DAMAGE >> Yup- me too. Used some soft ties around the grips and secured them by crossing each other. I also did not tighten them any more than necessary. Made a 2,000 mile trip with no problems whatsoever. Russ Vernon -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kidbys@webtv.net (shelley kidby) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 05:48:27 -0700 (PDT) To: lcshepp@directcon.net (Leland C. Sheppard) Cc: anitom@pacbell.net (Tom and Anita Humphrey), drclick@arn.net (Cled Click), pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 Listserv) Subject: Re: PC800: ....Y2K.. REALLY LIKE the improvement to the web page (being able to scroll thru all those signed up) and numbers to boot! We gonna need number stickers on shields to help identify everyone, maybe help stay together or get back together? Dang this will be fun! With a year to go and if each one of us recruits one more, bet we get over 200 total. Jerry #13 and unaccounted wife :-) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail1.noc0.hsacorp.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.1b5) with SMTP id 996563; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 09:35:11 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" , "shelley kidby" Subject: Re: PC800: ....Y2K.. Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:19:54 -0400 Are PC's Y2K compliant? I think some really long trips early in the year may be necessary to thoroughly test them out! Steve Zweigart Maysville, Kentucky '97 PC800 ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: shelley kidby To: Leland C. Sheppard Cc: Tom and Anita Humphrey ; CledClick ; PC800 Listserv Sent: Thursday, 05 August 1999 08:48 Subject: Re: PC800: ....Y2K.. > REALLY LIKE the improvement to the web page (being able to scroll thru > all those signed up) and numbers to boot! We gonna need number > stickers on shields to help identify everyone, maybe help stay together > or get back together? Dang this will be fun! > > With a year to go and if each one of us recruits one more, bet we get > over 200 total. > > Jerry #13 and unaccounted wife :-) > > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 08:42:55 -0500 From: Steve Wilson CC: PC800 Listserv Subject: Re: PC800: CORRECT METHOD TO TIE DOWN PC800 Cled Click wrote: > PC800 Listers..... I got the following information from the local Honda > dealer our their publication "The Wrench", originally published in 1989 and > 1990. > > CORRECT METHOD TO TIE DOWN PC800 I don't know what all the fuss is about tying down a PC. Only the 89's break so the rest of us don't need to know all this mess anyway. :-} How is that for stirring the pot? :-} In a perfect world the only time an 89' would break down would be when you have a flat bed trailer with tie down points every couple of feet on the floor so the Honda method of securement is easily done. In the real world, they all break and trucks and trailers don't always have a spot to tie to as low as Honda recommends. The Canyon Dancer is a handy and safe, if used properly, alternative. I carry one in my trunk. Just in case I park next to an 89' for too long. :-} -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 (Tar-Baby) 1974 Kawasaki Z1-A 900 (The Mistress) IronButt Association, 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kidbys@webtv.net (shelley kidby) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 06:43:53 -0700 (PDT) To: steve_z@writeme.com (Steven R. Zweigart) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu ('PC800 Mailing List') Subject: Re: PC800: ....Y2K.. Mine keeps saying 'comeplayon t' :-) Jerry -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m4.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EG94UHR9; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 11:44:12 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, scpcrc@listbot.com Subject: PC800: BEDTIME STORY: SIN-A-STATOR Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 11:44:12 EDT Odom. (um er, Oh Darn!) after only 53,000 virgin miles, (IMAGINE...more imagination) the ole "Sin-A-Stator" seems to have given up the Ghost. Hmmm! That was SUPPOSED to look like a contraction of sinister and stator. Anywho, I'm about to take the Ghost in for a a new stator ... the one I've been toting around in her right cheek for the past "Lucky 13" months. The good news is I have the stator and the gasket, and BEST of all, now I'll have room to carry really important schtuff like extra picnic supplies or six more jackets and four more pairs of gloves. Doesn't everyone?! *Heh Heh* The bad news is I won't be able to ride for a few days and my wallet will be considerably lighter I suspect. *OUCH* Side Benefit: Joyce won't have to install it on the upcoming Y2K-1 Test Ride. Anything to make you happy, Joyce. As long as I'm throwing money around, I'll get the new rear Metzler (my 4th) tire mounted ... and of course I'll get her Zerked, too. (Can I say that online?) BTW, there's probably another 1,000 miles of safe serviceable tread on it. Anybody want a free, one year old, used Metzler rear tire with about 13,000 miles on it? Going once, twice... Yep, there's a story to go with the Sin-A-Stator's passing. But I'll spare you the "gorey" details. If there are any new developments or interesting happenings during the the operation or recovery period, I'll be sure to share them here. Ann '89 PC-AZ Ghostless in Arizona Thu. 8.5.99 8:40 MST P.S. I'm still Off-List, so if anyone has a complaint about this post, please reply directly. Actually, tell a friend and leave me outta the loop. *GRIN* -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:57:39 -0700 (PDT) From: John La Subject: PC800: Free used fork springs To: pclist Hi Listers- I have a set of used fork springs that were removed when my Works Performance springs were installed at about 15,000 miles. If anyone wants them, you can have 'em free. You have to pick them up (in Reseda, CA) or pay shipping 'cause they are heavy. Just let me know. John _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 14:55:55 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Kisan Tailblazer Hello all, I picked up a Kisan tailblazer, while in SC, to use on the PC. Unfortunately, I see they now have one that just plugs in. Needless to say I did not get that (got the splice-in model), and I am looking for any suggestions as to where to cut and where to place. Anyone do this? Thanks Thomas -- 93 SE 95 Hannigan 97 Pacific Coast 98 V-Star Classic (Black Cherry over Crimson) GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:05:39 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Gerald Rodgers" To: "PC 800 List" Subject: PC800: FW: [rose-city-mc] [Fwd: Live to Trailer, Trailer to Live] Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:01:15 -0700 Importance: Normal Disposition-Notification-To: "Gerald Rodgers" This came on the Rose City Motorcycle club list. Thought it might be of interest. Jerry Rodgers 94 PC -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Steve Frost [mailto:sfrost@davidbowie.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 6:26 PM To: Rose City MC Subject: [rose-city-mc] [Fwd: Live to Trailer, Trailer to Live] Perhaps some enjoyment for you. :-) -=SF=- > > > The Grinch Who Stole Sturgis > by Mikel K. Smith > > Every tramp in Scooterville loved Sturgis a lot, > But the grinch who lived just north of Scooterville did not!! > And so every August for 55 years, amid a great thunder > and crunching of gears, the tramps rode the Black Hills. > Those pagans and trolls! Like salmon returning again to their schools. > And the grinch would turn bitter as coffee turned cold. > and could not be approached, and would not be consoled. > The grinch hated Sturgis! The whole Sturgis deal! > And if you ask why that's the way he would feel. > Well, it could be his attitude wasn't just right, > or it could be his truss bound his buttocks too tight! > But I find that the likeliest reason of all, may have > been that his balls were two sizes too small! > But whatever the reason - his truss or his balls, > the grinch hated Sturgis, hated it all. > Just flat hated those tramps with their swagger and airs, > and hard miles of pavement that showed in their stares, > Of storms in the mountains and wind on the plains, > or wrenching on a roadside in the pouring rains. > He hated those chicks with their pectorals bare, and their > T-back bikinis and tattoos like Cher! > He's seen all their pictures at home in his chair, > He's read Easyriders and wanted his share!! > Yes, the very word Sturgis would send grinch on a tear, > but what irked him the worst was he could not be there!! > The grinch cried to the Sky, "Am I really to blame?" > "Can I help being frightened by rides in the rain?" > And he moaned and wined, "Must I shoulder the shame" > And he grumbled and scoured his cowardly brain. > Until inspired at last to him it came. > I COULD TRAILER THE BIKE, WHY, IT'S ALMOST THE SAME!! > And thusly encouraged, he returned to his town, > and called to the trailer trash, gather ye round!!! > For I've had an Epiphany! Brothers take note, > You can trailer a bike like you trailer a boat!!! > We'll park on the outskirts, off-load the machines > and pretend that we road them from, say, New Orleans!!! > So the trash loaded trailers and cried with a hoot, > We'll dress up like bikers with leather and boots > Festoon them with conchos and feathers and such! > So what do you think, is an eye patch too much? > And they dialed up the A/C and punched in the cruise, > Voila! Now to proceed - without the abuse - > The abuse that two wheels are rumored to give. > NO! We live to trailer and trailer to live!!! > The trash swarmed to the Black Hills, their purpose well focused, > To drown the small town like a plaque of cage locusts!! > To balloon the run's turnout to three hundred grand! > 'Til the few real bikers had nowhere to stand. > And the grinch grinned and giggled to see what he'd done - > Now Interstate 90 looked like 101!!! > Now those tramps out of Scooterville were not so dim witted, > They saw who was there and they saw who there fitted!! > So one said to the grinch, "Who are you fooling Jack?" > "Your jeans reek of Downy, your scoots so imac!!" > "You're spoiling our party with trailer posers!" > "What's the name of your outfit? Satan's Chauffeurs?" > But the Grinch grumbled back, "Now it's our party too!" > "We invited ourselves just like you did too!" > "Just show me a sign that says only some bum, > who rides motorcycles is welcome to come, > and we'll load up our trailers and start our RV, > and head for Laconia or Daytona Beach!!" > Now the tramp out of Scooterville was taken aback > No such sign existed - had ever, in fact. > Such things were unspoken - all part of the lore - > No such sign had been needed before!!! > The tramps had to concede and withdraw from the field. > The grinch and his ilk were unwilling to yield, > and flooded down main street of Sturgis by night.. > and by day lined the highways in lines out of sight. > The tramps knew the end of their era was nigh, > and breeze blew among them, a general sigh - > the tramps spirits were trampled, and a mist filled their eyes. > Till suddenly some yelled, "Wait, here comes Clive." > And the cycle lord moved through the bikers downcast, > and boomed "Cheer up brothers, we've not seen the last > of our noble degenerate lifestyles pass!" > Then Malcolm Clive poped a cold can of beer. > He stared at the grinch with a leer and a sneer. > He shook his head slowly and hacked his throat clear. > Then preached brother Malcolm, "That's not why we're here!" > "It's not for the pin or the patch or the gear! > It's not for the babes with the tits out to here - > Okay, maybe the babes, ahem, and the beer. > See, the Sturgis we love doesn't happen in town! > It isn't drag pipes and paint jobs, or pulling tops down! > The Sturgis we love is always around. > It's the sunset you saw from a bike broken down, > It's the story you tell of the hail in Cheyenne, > The dust storm in Galesburg, the chill in Montan. > The town serves as merely a place we all go. > To tell stories to people who know. > To tell those road stories of deluge and drought. > To cronies who know what YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. > And yes there are trailers, > and more every year. > And guys who just ride under skies crystal clear, > and pull into town in a Jeep Wagoneer. > And the sign may say "STURGIS" > BUT THEY'VE NEVER BEEN THERE!!! > -- - Steve Frost Burning Sage Productions Portland, OR VF700C (Zeitgeist) sfrost@davidbowie.com --- You are currently subscribed to rose-city-mc as: JERRY-FAR@worldnet.att.net To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-rose-city-mc-71540K@telelists.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: SPREADTHEM@aol.com for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:16:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:16:39 EDT Subject: PC800: RE: GIVI Case To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC 800 List) Listers, I am considering the purchase of a GIVI top case E460. However, GIVI does not make red that will match my 1990 PC, not even a color that is close the current red is a candy red. My bike is like a metallic red burgundy. I am wondering if any of you know which black would look the best? And secondly would be easiest to paint should I buy Colorite paint and try and take to a local body shop for repaint? Ward 1990 PC800 23K Glory Red Illinois -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mocha.memphis.edu (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3067) Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:17:07 CDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 15:07:38 -0500 From: "David L. Sigsbee" Subject: PC800: 1990 Hondaline PC800 Accessories Blurb JPGs To: PC800 Reply-to: dsigsbee@memphis.edu X-Corel-MessageType: EMail I have two JPGs of the 1990 accessories blurb (one front and one back), which I will send by e-mail as attachments to anyone who wants them and whose provider will let them receive large files--one 291KB and one 342KB. -- David L. Sigsbee Work: 901 678-2690 JO 404, University Honors Program Fax: 901 678-5367 University of Memphis E-Mail: dsigsbee@memphis.edu Memphis, TN 38152-6140 Home: 901 327-3848 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Doug" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: Kisan Tailblazer Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:41:39 -0700 I took the rear light panel off and spliced into the brake light wires, (Green/yellow G/Y),then velcroed the unit against the inside of panel. has been there and working for 1 year. If you want additional installation ideas,,look in the archives,,there is reams of information on brake light and head light modulator., If you have any particular problems e mail me off line and I will attempt to help..I remember how intimidated I was... Luck Doug 94 Knight Rider -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Thomas Ongstad To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thursday, August 05, 1999 12:04 PM Subject: PC800: Kisan Tailblazer >Hello all, > >I picked up a Kisan tailblazer, while in SC, to use on the PC. >Unfortunately, I see they now have one that just plugs in. Needless to >say I did not get that (got the splice-in model), and I am looking for >any suggestions as to where to cut and where to place. Anyone do this? > >Thanks > >Thomas >-- >93 SE >95 Hannigan > >97 Pacific Coast >98 V-Star Classic (Black Cherry over Crimson) >GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 17:52:39 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: RE: GIVI Case To: SPREADTHEM@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) SPREADTHEM@aol.com writes: >Listers, > I am considering the purchase of a GIVI top case E460. >However, GIVI >does not make red that will match my 1990 PC, not even a color >that is close >the current red is a candy red. My bike is like a metallic red >burgundy. I >am wondering if any of you know which black would look the best? >And >secondly would be easiest to paint should I buy Colorite paint and >try and >take to a local body shop for repaint? > >Ward >1990 PC800 >23K Glory Red >Illinois If I remember correctly from the January motorcycle shows I attended, Givi has a E460 with a gloss black finished top. That would be the best to get if you are going to repaint it to match your bike. The other blacks are a rough finish and would not have the shine after painting. The bottom half will be unpainted black plastic. I bought the red E460 to "match" my '98, but was not happy with the match so I had it repainted at a local body shop with the Colorite Magna Red. Looks sharp now especially since I had it pinstriped at the Honda Homecoming by the same pinstriper that did my whole Pacific Coast last year. Tim Davies- '98 Pacific Coast,"Yankee Smuggler" Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 20:01:47 -0400 From: Bill McKenna ...... ....... Augusta Rotary Club http://www.augustarotary.org To: bmckenna@mint.net Subject: PC800: Harriman Ride for Kids Tops $100,000 -Alan Hughes Sunday morning August 1 dawned with a continuation of the overwhelming heat that has been plaguing the Northeastern US for the last several weeks. It only took a few minutes in the warm morning air for beads of perspiration to breakout on foreheads everywhere. Then it even tried to sprinkle on us as we set up tables as the sun was beginning to rise in the beautiful Harriman State Park. We didn’t know whether to be thankful for the possible rain or to pray for the sun as New York is in the midst of a several month long drought. Regardless of our desires, the sun quickly broke through the clouds and shortly thereafter the motorcyclists began trickling in. As the morning continued, the rate of the arrival of riders slowly increased until a continuous crescendo of motorcycles rolled into the parking lot. The registration volunteers kicked into high gear and managed to get them all registered just in time for the launch led by the NY State Police and four additional police from the surrounding communities. Off they went with sirens screaming and lights flashing to tour the exquisite beauty of the Harriman State Park and down the Palisades Parkway to the Village of Piermont. The ride included some of the best rides in the State of NY, including many twists, turns and views of the Hudson river that would turn any head. All along the route, there were families and others who pulled off the road to watch and cheer as these heroes of the kids rode proudly by. By the time the motorcycles arrived at the Village of Piermont the temperature had climbed to 100 degrees, there was however, a light breeze blowing from the Hudson river. As the participants picked up their lunches and headed to the “Celebration of Life” tent, it seemed as if they all wanted to stop and thank the police for the wonderful job they had done getting the riders there. Under the tent, the riders may have been warm and perspiring, but that moisture was nothing compared to the tears shed by the motorcyclists as they heard from the family of Liam Reda who spoke of the loss of their son in February 1999 to this deadly disease. Then there was the joy in their hearts that just seemed to explode when they watched little 2 year old Lauren dance on the stage and 7 year old Jessica share from her heart as she brought a special surprise to the event. Jessica and her dad Ken had raised $575 to “help the other kids”. As one of the participants at the event said through his tears, “there is no one here tough enough to not be touched by that”. Congratulations to top fund raisers Ed and Brigitte Pugliese who brought $25,700 to pay for research so that we can save more lives. GWRRA New York Chapter S brought a whopping $28,510. The top dealer was Prestige Harley Davidson with $6,755. As the afternoon went on, the temperature seemed to rise even more. Perhaps the temperature was only trying to match the funds raised, because by day’s end more than $104,000 had been raised to pay for research to find the cause and cure for childhood brain tumors. Congratulations to Tricia Seacord and all the task force volunteers for increasing the funds raised in 1998 by more than $30,000! -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill McKenna - AugustaMaine - USA Say "YES" to Life!! Visit the New England Ride for Kids(R) Page @ http://go.to/nerfk ~ Join us if you can, August 22nd. ~ ~ Keep up to date, Sign onto the NERFK update-list ~~ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Kyle Dye" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: CrampBuster Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 17:16:34 PDT Hey Gang! The other nitght I was "surfin,'" looking for a place to buy a Vista Cruise throttle lock. I accidentally came across a site for the "CrampBuster," a small lever you can put on the throttle grip. I figured, hey it's $8.95, if it doesn't work I'm not out major money. Well, I slipped it on when it came in today's mail. Not only does it give my hand a rest, it allows me to be much smoother on the throttle. I thought I'd pass the company's info on to you guys. I forgot the web address, but they only take orders over an 800 number. Here's their address and phone number: RY-KEL P.O. Box 1626 Grants Pass, OR 97526 800.735.5240 Hope this is a help. Kyle Dye Bremerton, WA '89 Pearl White "Xela" 10,500 Miles Mask STA Fog Lights Clearview +5 Shield COMING SOON: GIVI "MAXIA" TOPBOX (BLACK) BRAKE LIGHT MONOKEY RACK _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "R. Fenwick" To: Subject: Re: PC800: CrampBuster Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:35:10 -0500 It is: www.crampbuster.com Rich Fenwick -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Kyle Dye To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thursday, August 05, 1999 7:17 PM Subject: PC800: CrampBuster >Hey Gang! > >The other nitght I was "surfin,'" looking for a place to buy a Vista Cruise >throttle lock. I accidentally came across a site for the "CrampBuster," a >small lever you can put on the throttle grip. I figured, hey it's $8.95, if >it doesn't work I'm not out major money. > >Well, I slipped it on when it came in today's mail. Not only does it give my >hand a rest, it allows me to be much smoother on the throttle. I thought I'd >pass the company's info on to you guys. > >I forgot the web address, but they only take orders over an 800 number. >Here's their address and phone number: > >RY-KEL >P.O. Box 1626 >Grants Pass, OR 97526 >800.735.5240 > >Hope this is a help. > > >Kyle Dye >Bremerton, WA >'89 Pearl White "Xela" >10,500 Miles > Mask > STA Fog Lights > Clearview +5 Shield >COMING SOON: > GIVI "MAXIA" TOPBOX (BLACK) > BRAKE LIGHT > MONOKEY RACK > > > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by land.willinet.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 19:37:19 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 19:44:05 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Ryan Subject: Re: PC800: CrampBuster >I forgot the web address, but they only take orders over an 800 number. >Here's their address and phone number: Its http://www.crampbuster.com/ -Ryan -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 01:00:42 -0400 From: Robert Plaschka To: "Steven R. Zweigart" CC: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: Re: PC800: ....Y2K.. Steven, Did you ever get my message about meeting you as we traveled thru your area? We drove thru your home town of Maysfield inroute to the Honda Homecoming. I used the address listed in the old list messages. It appears to be different than your current address. Sorry we missed you Kenneth Winter East TN 90 PC Currently visiting list members in Canada. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 01:15:54 -0400 From: Robert Plaschka To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: PC800: PC friends List members are GREAT!!! My name is Kenneth Winter in East TN. I met several list members at the Honda Homecoming a few weeks ago. It was amazing how quickly we became friends. We rode together, played in the rain together and shared adults beverages together. A week later I am visiting with four of my new friends while traveling in Canada. Never before have I met a group of people so quick to provide information and even offer accomodations to a new aquaintance. I am greatly pleased to call these PC riders, FRIENDS! ;.) Kenneth Winter East TN 90 PC "Second Chance" In Route in Canada. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KGray96057@aol.com for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 04:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 04:06:06 EDT Subject: PC800: Post crash test drive To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Maybe it was the weather- an unusually balmy night here in Omaha- or maybe it was the dozens of riders I saw throughout the day... As I trundled by in my car. Whatever. I remounded my damaged wing mirror and took my damaged PC out for a little test flight this evening. (note, the mirror can be reattached in pitch darkness, simply by feel. Good design.) As I mentioned, the bike was slammed down by a company van on the 29th. I pushed it into the garage that night, determined to wait until after the local bike shp had gone over it before I took it out on the road. Well.. The bike cannot get in until this coming tuesday, and.... I had to know. It sounded alright, and the gears all engaged with the customary Honda clunk... And the actual riding was typical buttery smooth PC-800. However...The right mirror itself is cracked and the housing is shredded in spots. The left mirror glass is fine, but the housing is missing a chunk. The fairing and trunk protectors on the right side are also pretty shredded- deep gouges. The plastic over the speedo and tach is now convex, producing a nasty new reflection. The right side trunk panel has defined and deep scratches- almost like claw marks... And she makes a wierd rubbing sound when turning to the right- which seems to be caused by a pushed in disk cover. (I hope.) There is a lot of paint and chrome damage in general. The scratch in the side pipe- to the bare metal- has gotten a coat of rust due to our humid Nebraska weather.) Also.. The bike hit mid range temperature and lit off the fan a lot quicker than is normal. It is possible that I lost fluid- I hope through the resovoir, which is suspicously empty, or a damaged hose, rather than through a holed radiator. The lights and controls all work, The engine sounds great. Imminently drivable, which is good.. But it looks as if some major and expensive plastic work or replacement is in the offing (not to mention getting all the critical stuff checked out and tested to spec. Considering how backed up the dealer is, I strongly suspect that, once she goes into the shop, I'll be on four wheels for the rest of the summer. I'm wondering if the dealer- or the insurance company- can be talked into providing me with a loaner... Possibly that nice ST1100 I saw in the delivery bay. Ahh well.. Better a safe bike to dream about all winter than riding a possible time bomb. While it's in the shop, I think I'll have them do the next scheduled maintenance.. And possibly stick on some new rubber and a set of progessive springs. This sucks. I had my fall trip pretty well planned. (Estes Park.) Ken Gray 95 PC-800-less for the forseeable future. (Wonder if there's a nice list for the Geo Tracker...) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 00:49:27 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Kyle Dye CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: CrampBuster Hi Kyle, Kyle Dye wrote: > The other nitght I was "surfin,'" looking for a place to buy a Vista Cruise > throttle lock. I accidentally came across a site for the "CrampBuster," a > small lever you can put on the throttle grip. I figured, hey it's $8.95, if > it doesn't work I'm not out major money. > Thanks for the info. > I forgot the web address, but they only take orders over an 800 number. > Here's their address and phone number: snip... On a hunch, I tried "www.crampbuster.com" Guess what? That's it. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 137,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 00:59:50 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: "Steven R. Zweigart" , Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: ....Y2K.. Hi Steve, Steven R. Zweigart wrote: > Are PC's Y2K compliant? > Don't know. Think we should test it out. > I think some really long trips early in the year may be necessary to > thoroughly test them out! > Absolutely! -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 137,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 01:19:13 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Cled Click CC: PC800 Listserv Subject: Re: PC800: CORRECT METHOD TO TIE DOWN PC800 Hi Cled, Cled Click wrote: > Thanks for your input and report. Perhaps the CanyonDancer tie down harness > was not in manufacture at the time Honda wrote their tie down > recommendations back in 1989 and 1990. I suspect Honda would have taken the conservative route anyway. Don't know when CanyonDancer started making their harness. > I presume just tying down the bike > by the handlebars left side to left anchor and right side to right anchor > HAS caused damage to the handlebars or the service bulletin would not have > been issued by Honda. > I'm sure you are correct. Just consider Tom Humphrey's experience. There are people who can manage to foul up anything (grin). The CanyonDancer can prevent those problems, though. Along with a good set of non-racheting tie-down straps. > Their advice to use the rails of the crash bars was probably made so owners > could safely transport their cycles without having to purchase any other > special webbing or harness to do so..... and, again, perhaps such a harness > was not commercially available then. The problem I have with using the crash bars is their height relative to the total height of the bike. They are so low, I'd be concerned about the bike tipping whereas with my high mount points, that is not possible. > Is the CanyonDancer harness still made? Yes; I bought mine from my local Honda dealer. They had it listed in their catalogs of available stuff. > If so, do you know a distributor or > reseller to recommend..... I'd try any Honda dealer or even the mail order houses. I went in to the dealer looking for tie downs and found them and the harness. See end of this post... > and would you post information about how to > contact them? Your fellow Coasters will probably be grateful for the > information..... I've already done that a couple of times. On this list originally. And the info is on the pc800 web site (the one shown at the bottom of each message) with the series of pictures. CanyonDancer has a web site (www.canyondancer.com); they are located in Red Bluff, CA. > or they can just tie down to the inner rail crash bars as > Honda recommends without having to purchase any special device. > True, but with some difficulty because of the balance issue. Oh, and I think I was wrong on the mileage estimate; I think it's more like 10000 to 12000 miles of trailering with the bike. I have put 14000 miles on my motorhome since I bought it and I've pulled the bike behind it for most of those. I just checked and not only is CanyonDancer alive and well, you can now order online from them directly. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 137,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 01:46:39 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: "R. Fenwick" CC: Cled Click , PC800 Listserv Subject: Re: PC800: CORRECT METHOD TO TIE DOWN PC800 Hi Rich, R. Fenwick wrote: > One thing to realize is this. Leland's trailer has high walls (nearly as > tall as the bike if I remember correctly) that he ties his bike to. > Although his way of tying his bike down may be better in his case, my > trailer just has 12' high walls. His method would not be as good on my > trailer as the Honda method, since the tie down points on my trailer are low > on the trailer. > I don't agree. Even if I had a flat-bed trailer, I would use the CanyonDancer harness and the bars in front because it would be easier to balance the bike from that height. I would use the crash bars in the back, in that case, only because using the grab rails from that low an attachment point would cause the straps to rub on the side of the trunk. Incidentally, the walls on my trailer are about 24 inches high; the rail is at 28 inches. The ramp is taller and the bike racks on each side are taller but I attach the tie-downs to the rail. Two other important ingredients are: a wheel chock for the front wheel to keep it from moving after a big bump if the suspension isn't cranked down enough and non-racheting tie-down straps. Glad the Honda method worked for you. I was concerned about balance using those low attachment points; there's a lot of weight above them... How far did you tow the bike that way? One final point: The CanyonDancer harness is a lot quicker than the Honda method. We were driving through southern Utah on our motorhome/motorcycle trip in May and June of this year (2000 miles of trailering the PC) and stopped in Monument Valley for a few hours. Unloaded the PC and rode it all over the valley, loaded it back up and away we went. I wouldn't want to be reattaching the crash bar covers in a case like that. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 137,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 06:06:29 -0500 From: Ralph Couey To: KGray96057@aol.com CC: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Post crash test drive Ken, Cheer up, mate. You could have been on the bike when this happened and in that case, crunched tupperware would have been the least of your worries. Been down, done that, didn't like it one bit. --Ralph KGray96057@aol.com wrote: > > Maybe it was the weather- an unusually balmy night here in Omaha- or maybe it > was the dozens of riders I saw throughout the day... As I trundled by in my > car. Whatever. I remounded my damaged wing mirror and took my damaged PC out > for a little test flight this evening. (note, the mirror can be reattached in > pitch darkness, simply by feel. Good design.) > > As I mentioned, the bike was slammed down by a company van on the 29th. I > pushed it into the garage that night, determined to wait until after the > local bike shp had gone over it before I took it out on the road. > > Well.. The bike cannot get in until this coming tuesday, and.... I had to > know. > > It sounded alright, and the gears all engaged with the customary Honda > clunk... And the actual riding was typical buttery smooth PC-800. > > However...The right mirror itself is cracked and the housing is shredded in > spots. The left mirror glass is fine, but the housing is missing a chunk. The > fairing and trunk protectors on the right side are also pretty shredded- deep > gouges. The plastic over the speedo and tach is now convex, producing a nasty > new reflection. The right side trunk panel has defined and deep scratches- > almost like claw marks... And she makes a wierd rubbing sound when turning to > the right- which seems to be caused by a pushed in disk cover. (I hope.) > There is a lot of paint and chrome damage in general. The scratch in the side > pipe- to the bare metal- has gotten a coat of rust due to our humid Nebraska > weather.) > > Also.. The bike hit mid range temperature and lit off the fan a lot quicker > than is normal. It is possible that I lost fluid- I hope through the > resovoir, which is suspicously empty, or a damaged hose, rather than through > a holed radiator. > > The lights and controls all work, The engine sounds great. Imminently > drivable, which is good.. But it looks as if some major and expensive plastic > work or replacement is in the offing (not to mention getting all the critical > stuff checked out and tested to spec. Considering how backed up the dealer > is, I strongly suspect that, once she goes into the shop, I'll be on four > wheels for the rest of the summer. > > I'm wondering if the dealer- or the insurance company- can be talked into > providing me with a loaner... Possibly that nice ST1100 I saw in the delivery > bay. > > Ahh well.. Better a safe bike to dream about all winter than riding a > possible time bomb. > > While it's in the shop, I think I'll have them do the next scheduled > maintenance.. And possibly stick on some new rubber and a set of progessive > springs. > > This sucks. I had my fall trip pretty well planned. (Estes Park.) > > Ken Gray > 95 PC-800-less for the forseeable future. > (Wonder if there's a nice list for the Geo Tracker...) > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:17:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: Kisan Tailblazer Thomas Ongstad writes: > I picked up a Kisan tailblazer, while in SC, to use on the PC. > Unfortunately, I see they now have one that just plugs in. Needless > to say I did not get that (got the splice-in model), and I am looking > for any suggestions as to where to cut and where to place. I'm assuming that the Kisan came with a wiring diagram. I installed a Signal Dynamics modulator this spring, which requires splicing into the wires. It's not terribly difficult, and the work *can* be done without removing anything, but the work goes easier if you first remove the windscreen and the gray vent tunnel behind it. This lets you see what you're doing, and provides easier access to the headlight socket. Usually these things require cutting the HIGH beam lead to the headlight, and running it through the modulator. You probably need to find a ground wire as well. Buy push-on connectors at an auto parts store, and some heat shrink tubing. There is a piece of flat sheet metal on the left side of the frame (a few inches behind and below the steering head) that makes a good anchor point for the electronics package, which can be stuck to it using double-side foam tape. I've checked mine several times for temperature, and to my surprise, this location stays fairly cool. Remember the tailor's rule: Measure twice, cut once. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Selden Deemer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail1.noc0.hsacorp.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.1b5) with SMTP id 1017396; Fri, 06 Aug 1999 08:59:52 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" , "Kyle Dye" Subject: Re: PC800: CrampBuster Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:44:46 -0400 So, waddya think of their example of a "typical rider" in the photos? Steve Zweigart Maysville, Kentucky '97 PC800 ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Kyle Dye To: Sent: Thursday, 05 August 1999 20:16 Subject: PC800: CrampBuster > Hey Gang! > > The other nitght I was "surfin,'" looking for a place to buy a Vista Cruise > throttle lock. I accidentally came across a site for the "CrampBuster," a > small lever you can put on the throttle grip. I figured, hey it's $8.95, if > it doesn't work I'm not out major money. > > Well, I slipped it on when it came in today's mail. Not only does it give my > hand a rest, it allows me to be much smoother on the throttle. I thought I'd > pass the company's info on to you guys. > > I forgot the web address, but they only take orders over an 800 number. > Here's their address and phone number: > > RY-KEL > P.O. Box 1626 > Grants Pass, OR 97526 > 800.735.5240 > > Hope this is a help. > > > Kyle Dye > Bremerton, WA > '89 Pearl White "Xela" > 10,500 Miles > Mask > STA Fog Lights > Clearview +5 Shield > COMING SOON: > GIVI "MAXIA" TOPBOX (BLACK) > BRAKE LIGHT > MONOKEY RACK > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: dwilkers@us.ibm.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:02:15 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: CrampBuster > The other nitght I was "surfin,'" looking for a place to buy a Vista Cruise > throttle lock. I accidentally came across a site for the "CrampBuster," a > small lever you can put on the throttle grip. I figured, hey it's $8.95, if > it doesn't work I'm not out major money. > This sounds like the "throttle rocker" than several of us picked up at the homecoming. It too was only about 8 bucks. It has a great, comfortable shape, looks great, and installs easily. It provided me with a lot of relief on my 800 mile trek back to Alabama. Doug Wilkerson -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: dwilkers@us.ibm.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:07:23 -0400 Subject: PC800: cramp buster I just checked out the crampbuster site. It is identical in concept to the throttle rocker, but it doesn't look as well designed. The throttle rocker is contoured to fit the base of your hand. It looks like there isn't as much thought in the ergonomics of the crampbuster. Now don't ask me where to find a throttle rocker. Doug Wilkerson ..................................................................................................... IBM I/T Specialist, Digital Manufacturing Solutions Office: 205-972-7522 Mobile: 205-242-9076 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 08:19:27 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "R. Fenwick" Subject: Re: PC800: cramp buster >Now don't ask me where to find a throttle rocker. See THROTTLEROCKER.COM !!!!!! BIG :-) Rich Fenwick **************** At 08:07 AM 8/6/99 -0400, dwilkers@us.ibm.com wrote: > > > >I just checked out the crampbuster site. It is identical in concept to the >throttle rocker, but it doesn't look as well designed. The throttle rocker is >contoured to fit the base of your hand. It looks like there isn't as much >thought in the ergonomics of the crampbuster. > >Now don't ask me where to find a throttle rocker. > >Doug Wilkerson >............................................................................ >......................... > >IBM I/T Specialist, Digital Manufacturing Solutions >Office: 205-972-7522 Mobile: 205-242-9076 > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EHCJB4W7; Fri, 06 Aug 1999 10:18:23 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:11:15 -0400 Subject: PC800: CrampBuster / Throttle Rocker From: Harvey P Sattin I just sent a picture of my installed "Throttle Rocker" to Adrian. Hopefully he'll post it to his web site soon. One of us will let you know when it's there. It rotates upward but grabs tightly when pressed downward. Installation? Nothing to it. Just slip it on. No moving parts. Inexpensive. One year replacement guarantee.. I bought mine from DWR Race Support for $7.25, postage included. They take credit cards and send it via parcel post. Phone: 520-669-2483 Web: www.dwrracesupport.com E-mail : spider@dwrracesupport.com ~Harvey Sattin Brookline, MA ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. 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To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 10:22:25 -0400 Subject: Re(2): PC800: CrampBuster To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) srz@maysvilleky.net writes: >So, waddya think of their example of a "typical rider" in the >photos? > >Steve Zweigart >Maysville, Kentucky >'97 PC800 I think his cramped hand is more likely the result of a poorly designed handle on his hand gun rather that the motorcycle throttle:-) Tim Davies- '98 Pacific Coast,"Yankee Smuggler" Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 10:21:43 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: Harvey P Sattin CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: CrampBuster / Throttle Rocker Harvey P Sattin wrote: > It rotates upward but grabs tightly when pressed downward. That was the problem I had with the throttle rocker that I tried. Probably because of my aftermarket foam grips, when I got the rocker in the right place to help provide support, when I let off the gas it came up too high and interferred with the smooth operation of the throttle, and was pretty much welded into position. I may try another brand if I can find one that grips one way only. Just my experience. TommyTeal -- 93 SE 95 Hannigan 97 Pacific Coast 98 V-Star Classic (Black Cherry over Crimson) GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EHCK89JX; Fri, 06 Aug 1999 10:51:47 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:44:39 -0400 Subject: PC800: Not everyone feels the way we do. From: Harvey P Sattin Here's a short thread that was on a local mailing list: Enjoy. ~Harvey Sattin Brookline, MA '98 PC ________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 08:49:08 -0400 From: Tim Atwood Subject: Re: update truths Linda L. Julien wrote: > Before I bought the T-bird, I went to GBM to see if they had a Honda > Pacific Coast. I've never even seen one, I don't think, but someone > had suggested to me that I might like it -- some of you have since > told me I'd hate it, and I tend to believe you, but at the time I > thought I'd at least look. They didn't have one in stock, but thought > that one of their other locations (Cycles 128?) might have one. After test riding a PC, if I had the choice between riding the PC and driving my wife's Forester station wagon (automatic, no less), I'd take the forester. 'Nuff said. Tim ------------------------------ ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mocha.memphis.edu (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3067) Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:45:23 CDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 10:35:52 -0500 From: "David L. Sigsbee" Subject: PC800: Message for Will Edwards, re: accessories blurb To: PC800 Reply-to: dsigsbee@memphis.edu X-Corel-MessageType: EMail Sorry to bother the whole group with this. Will, every time I try to send you the JPGs, the mail is kicked back to me with the message "Remote SMTP server has rejected address." Let me know if there is another way to send them to you, or give me a snail mail address and I will mail you a diskette. --David -- David L. Sigsbee Work: 901 678-2690 JO 404, University Honors Program Fax: 901 678-5367 University of Memphis E-Mail: dsigsbee@memphis.edu Memphis, TN 38152-6140 Home: 901 327-3848 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Doug" To: "Selden Deemer" , "PC 800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Kisan Tailblazer Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:01:02 -0700 The Tailblazer is for the brake lights,,and the unit he has requires cutting,,and I agree, measure twice, cut once,,the head light modulator does not require any cutting,,unplug headlight wire, plug in unit,,plug in head light wire to unit locate sensor,,walla,,all done.. gee that sounds easy,,but sure is a b_ _ _ H getting to the plug from under fairing,,especially when you try and get that little wire spingy thing off and on.... Doug 94 Knight Rider -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Date: Friday, August 06, 1999 5:18 AM Subject: PC800: Re: Kisan Tailblazer >Thomas Ongstad writes: > >> I picked up a Kisan tailblazer, while in SC, to use on the PC. >> Unfortunately, I see they now have one that just plugs in. Needless >> to say I did not get that (got the splice-in model), and I am looking >> for any suggestions as to where to cut and where to place. > >I'm assuming that the Kisan came with a wiring diagram. I installed a >Signal Dynamics modulator this spring, which requires splicing into the >wires. It's not terribly difficult, and the work *can* be done without >removing anything, but the work goes easier if you first remove the >windscreen and the gray vent tunnel behind it. This lets you see what >you're doing, and provides easier access to the headlight socket. > >Usually these things require cutting the HIGH beam lead to the headlight, >and running it through the modulator. You probably need to find a ground >wire as well. Buy push-on connectors at an auto parts store, and some >heat shrink tubing. There is a piece of flat sheet metal on the left >side of the frame (a few inches behind and below the steering head) that >makes a good anchor point for the electronics package, which can be stuck >to it using double-side foam tape. I've checked mine several times for >temperature, and to my surprise, this location stays fairly cool. > >Remember the tailor's rule: Measure twice, cut once. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Selden Deemer >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 11:16:44 -0500 To: "PC 800 List" From: "R. Fenwick" Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Kisan Tailblazer >gee that sounds easy,,but sure is a b_ _ _ H getting to the plug from under >fairing,,especially when you try and get that little wire spingy thing off >and on.... The ONLY way to work on the headlamp from underneath is to use a MIRROR. I used the little mirror that I put in the trunk (in that recessed area where the silver specification sticker is). That headlight clip is a very simple mechanism once you understand how it works. If you can't see it, to understand how it works *IS* a b*tch. It unclips on the one side (by lifting upwards on the wire), and simply swings away. IMHO, everyone should know how it works, in case a headlamp has to be replaced "out on the road". Once you understand it, and with a mirror, it'll take 2 minutes to R&R a headlamp in the parking lot of the auto parts store. No joke. (and yet another reason to have a mirror in the trunk...) Rich Fenwick 1990 PC800L, 19,650 miles with an 80/100 headlamp... I can see at night now... At 11:01 AM 8/6/99 -0700, Doug wrote: >The Tailblazer is for the brake lights,,and the unit he has requires >cutting,,and I agree, measure twice, cut once,,the head light modulator does >not require any cutting,,unplug headlight wire, plug in unit,,plug in head >light wire to unit locate sensor,,walla,,all done.. >gee that sounds easy,,but sure is a b_ _ _ H getting to the plug from under >fairing,,especially when you try and get that little wire spingy thing off >and on.... >Doug >94 Knight Rider > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Selden Deemer >To: PC 800 List >Date: Friday, August 06, 1999 5:18 AM >Subject: PC800: Re: Kisan Tailblazer > > >>Thomas Ongstad writes: >> >>> I picked up a Kisan tailblazer, while in SC, to use on the PC. >>> Unfortunately, I see they now have one that just plugs in. Needless >>> to say I did not get that (got the splice-in model), and I am looking >>> for any suggestions as to where to cut and where to place. >> >>I'm assuming that the Kisan came with a wiring diagram. I installed a >>Signal Dynamics modulator this spring, which requires splicing into the >>wires. It's not terribly difficult, and the work *can* be done without >>removing anything, but the work goes easier if you first remove the >>windscreen and the gray vent tunnel behind it. This lets you see what >>you're doing, and provides easier access to the headlight socket. >> >>Usually these things require cutting the HIGH beam lead to the headlight, >>and running it through the modulator. You probably need to find a ground >>wire as well. Buy push-on connectors at an auto parts store, and some >>heat shrink tubing. There is a piece of flat sheet metal on the left >>side of the frame (a few inches behind and below the steering head) that >>makes a good anchor point for the electronics package, which can be stuck >>to it using double-side foam tape. I've checked mine several times for >>temperature, and to my surprise, this location stays fairly cool. >> >>Remember the tailor's rule: Measure twice, cut once. >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Selden Deemer >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>-- >>Visit the PC800 web page at >>To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >>message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >>To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EHCZ8H4V; Fri, 06 Aug 1999 14:56:03 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:47:22 -0400 Subject: PC800: Not everyone thinks...(cont'd) From: Harvey P Sattin Here's another PC review: ( Note: I've left the e-mail addresses attached to this and the previous one.) ~Harvey Sattin Brookline, MA '98 PC ________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:46:03 -0400 From: Debbie Matyi Subject: Re: update truths I know someone that has a PC. Don't know how to contact him, but trust me when I say that if it was the absolutely last and only bike available on earth, I'd walk... ------------------------------ ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 14:22:10 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "R. Fenwick" Subject: Re: PC800: Not everyone thinks...(cont'd) I'm really curious now. Exactly where are these critical comments coming from... A "We hate PC's" listserver somewhere? :-0 Sorely tempted to send a quick and dirty note to this last one saying "OK, I'll take the PC and enjoy it while you walk... Have fun walking." Possibly did our ratings jump at deja.com get noticed? (By the Interstate Valkyrie owners group possibly... as he types with an evil little grin on his face) Rich Fenwick At 02:47 PM 8/6/99 -0400, Harvey P Sattin wrote: >Here's another PC review: > >( Note: I've left the e-mail addresses attached to this and the previous >one.) > >~Harvey Sattin >Brookline, MA >'98 PC > >________________________________ > >Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:46:03 -0400 >From: Debbie Matyi >Subject: Re: update truths > > >I know someone that has a PC. Don't know how to contact him, but trust >me when I say that if it was the absolutely last and only bike available >on earth, I'd walk... > >------------------------------ > >___________________________________________________________________ >Get the Internet just the way you want it. >Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! >Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (SMTPD32-4.06) id A1C136EF0120; Fri, 06 Aug 1999 16:12:49 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Roger Prince" To: "pc800 list" Subject: PC800: '90 brochure Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 16:11:17 -0400 Importance: Normal I have a few of the '90 brochures available which covers the '89 also. If anyone is interested in having a copy, let me know. Roger PS It will cost $3.20 (USPS Priority Mail) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EHDCT5ZB; Fri, 06 Aug 1999 18:01:32 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:54:18 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Not everyone thinks...(cont'd) From: Harvey P Sattin Rich, I susbscribe to the NEDOD mailing list. (Denizens of Doom) They have a web site also. This was a discussion started by a woman who went to a local Honda dealer looking for a PC. They didn't have one in stock for her to see. She then wanted to go to another Honda dealer that may have had one in stock. The salesman then told her that the PC was too big for her to handle and proceeded to question her motorcycle knowledge in general. "That there's a Veeee-Twin! Do you know what a Vee-Twin is?" Feeling patronized and very put off, she went on to a local non-Honda dealer where she then bought a Triumph. When the woman discussed her experience on the NEDOD list, the results were as I posted here. Naah, you don't want one of them PCs anyway! "I'd rather drive a Subaru" or "I'd rather walk." They poke fun at Harleys and certain "Girly bikes" too. The NEDOD listers seem to ride everything but touring bikes. They do a lot of riding and most of them ride race tracks on weekends. I monitor the list because they are mostly local riders but lately, even before the PC comments, I've had second thoughts about continuing on their list. I occasionally catch some useful information there and contribute myself once in a while. I know a few of these people personally. They're more hooligan than PC or touring type personalities. If Beavis and Butthead rode motorcycles, they would be on this list. At 45, I'm most likely the oldest on the list. I don't take anything they say seriously. They can be funny at times even with their bathroom humor or downright rude to each other. I started a Boston area rider's list and some of them got offended by it. They thought they owned all of New England. Just thought you might get a kick out of some of the comments. If I catch any more I'll copy them too. ~Harvey Sattin Brookline, MA '98 PC On Fri, 06 Aug 1999 14:22:10 -0500 "R. Fenwick" writes: >I'm really curious now. Exactly where are these critical comments >coming >from... A "We hate PC's" listserver somewhere? :-0 > >Sorely tempted to send a quick and dirty note to this last one saying >"OK, >I'll take the PC and enjoy it while you walk... Have fun walking." > >Possibly did our ratings jump at deja.com get noticed? (By the >Interstate >Valkyrie owners group possibly... as he types with an evil little grin >on >his face) > >Rich Fenwick ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: Re: accessories blurb Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 01:00:46 +0200 No more worries, the '90 PC accessories brochure is now online for everybody to see: http://www.emile.cybercomm.nl/pcacc.html You can click on the bottom pic to enlarge (and make more readable) Emile http://fly.to/emile ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: David L. Sigsbee To: PC800 Sent: vrijdag 6 augustus 1999 17:35 Subject: PC800: Message for Will Edwards, re: accessories blurb Sorry to bother the whole group with this. Will, every time I try to send you the JPGs, the mail is kicked back to me with the message "Remote SMTP server has rejected address." Let me know if there is another way to send them to you, or give me a snail mail address and I will mail you a diskette. --David -- David L. Sigsbee Work: 901 678-2690 JO 404, University Honors Program Fax: 901 678-5367 University of Memphis E-Mail: dsigsbee@memphis.edu Memphis, TN 38152-6140 Home: 901 327-3848 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: '90 brochure Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 01:08:30 +0200 Do you mean these: http://users.erols.com/jhyder/pc800/pcbroch.htm ? (link is on http://www.scpcrc.org ) Emile http://fly.to/emile ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince To: pc800 list Sent: vrijdag 6 augustus 1999 22:11 Subject: PC800: '90 brochure I have a few of the '90 brochures available which covers the '89 also. If anyone is interested in having a copy, let me know. Roger PS It will cost $3.20 (USPS Priority Mail) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 21:59:43 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: PC800: Oil in air filter housing Hi everyone. I had my PC800 apart to install an antenna wire. Since most of the plastic was off, I decided to perform some of the scheduled maintenance. I changed the plugs, using NGK plugs. These are readily available at the corner auto supply. The stock Nippandenso (sp?) plugs are only available at the dealer, at a 200% premium. Anyhow, I also purchased the K&N Air Filter. When I removed the stock filter, I noticed that the left side of the air filter housing has an accumulation of oil in it. I assumed it has accumulated there since I most often park on the side stand, but the bike has been on the center stand for the last few hours and the oil is still only on the left side. Has anyone else noticed this? I'm wondering what oil in this location could be a symptom of. Perhaps too much oil was put in at the last oil change? Or is this normal? My years of tinkering with auto and boat engines tells me this is not a good thing, but maybe there is something I don't know about motorcycles that explains this oil as 'normal'. Any input is greatly appreciated.... fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:24:56 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: Oil in air filter housing To: fsl@borgconsulting.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 8/6/99 7:54:15 PM Mountain Daylight Time, fsl@borgconsulting.com writes: << I noticed that the left side of the air filter housing has an accumulation of oil in it. >> Oh, my poor Francois! Brace yourself my good man.......your bike is a goner. It is doomed-kaput. Going bye-bye. Headed for the great garage in the sky. Your bike is on the very brink of a total hand grenade job. I feel great pity for you. But cheer up! By a great coincidence, I also happen to have a 95 PC, so being the really fine and wonderful fellow that I am, I will take that unfortunate machine off your hands before it blows up on you and leaves you stranded somewhere. No, please do not thank me now, it is just what I am willing to do for a fellow Pacific Coast rider. But wait! There's more! I am also willing to give you, shall we say, $500 for your bike in its pre-exploded condition. At least you will have your cherished memories of your bike, and perhaps I will even take the time and financial effort to repair the machine so that I can donate it to an orphanage or something. See? Not a greedy bone in my body. So waddaya say there Frankie? Let me know were I can pick it up and we will do business. Let your loss be my gain. Russ Vernon -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 23:05:42 -0400 To: RVPC800@aol.com From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Oil in air filter housing Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >In a message dated 8/6/99 7:54:15 PM Mountain Daylight Time, >fsl@borgconsulting.com writes: > ><< I noticed that the left side of the air filter housing > has an accumulation of oil in it. >> Russ replied.... >Oh, my poor Francois! >Brace yourself my good man.......your bike is a goner. It is doomed-kaput. >Going bye-bye. Headed for the great garage in the sky. Your bike is on the >very brink of a total hand grenade job. I feel great pity for you. >But cheer up! By a great coincidence, I also happen to have a 95 PC, so being >the really fine and wonderful fellow that I am, I will take that unfortunate >machine off your hands before it blows up on you and leaves you stranded >somewhere. No, please do not thank me now, it is just what I am willing to do >for a fellow Pacific Coast rider. But wait! There's more! I am also willing >to give you, shall we say, $500 for your bike in its pre-exploded condition. >At least you will have your cherished memories of your bike, and perhaps I >will even take the time and financial effort to repair the machine so that I >can donate it to an orphanage or something. See? Not a greedy bone in my >body. So waddaya say there Frankie? Let me know were I can pick it up and we >will do business. Let your loss be my gain. > >Russ Vernon Wow! What a nice thing for you to offer, especially sight unseen like this. I feel compelled to tell you that there is a small scratch on the rear ducktail, not visible with the Givi rack in place but none the less, it is scratched. I suspect that in all fairness I really shouldn't accept more than $400 from you, and I'll deliver it as well, to save you the hassle of crossing the border. Oh...you're in luck...I just recently installed a new Chatterbox CB with helmet headset, Discman input, and a 4 foot Wilson Silver Load antenna. I am assuming it would be best to keep those items attached. I fear that the bike may blow up if I attempt to remove these items. Bye the way...did I mention that the last time I received an offer this good by e-mail, it had the words "Multi Level Marketing" all over it? You know...one of those junk mail messages you get like "Earn $$$$ thousands at home replacing worn underwear waist bands on overweight women" Thanks for the laugh Russ ! fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail1.noc0.hsacorp.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.1b5) with SMTP id 1031989 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Fri, 06 Aug 1999 23:24:07 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve Zweigart" To: "Pacific Coast List" Subject: PC800: Squeaky Brakes Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 23:23:52 -0400 What would cause front brakes to squeak? They're smooth, and braking power feels good, but tend to lightly squeal, especially when breaking easily but frequently, like in town. Anyone else have this happen? While the bike was in the shop from hell over the past two weeks, the mechanics were instructed to examine the brakes, and replace anything in need of replacement (Carte Blanche to gouge), but apparently they didn't see a need to replace anything. Then again, how can I be sure they even looked? Steve Zweigart Maysville, Kentucky '97 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kidbys@webtv.net (shelley kidby) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 05:00:30 -0700 (PDT) To: n1php@juno.com (Harvey P Sattin) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Not everyone thinks...(cont'd) 17:54:18 -0400 --WebTV-Mail-4099-2246 45? practically a youngster here! dont you like being in the middle - age wize :-) Jerry --WebTV-Mail-4099-2246 postoffice-232.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 00:15:30 -0700 (PDT) mailsorter-102-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) spinoza.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAC07261; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:05:27 -0500 (CDT) sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15457 for ; EHDCT5ZB; Fri, 06 Aug 1999 18:01:32 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:54:18 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Not everyone thinks...(cont'd) From: Harvey P Sattin Rich, I susbscribe to the NEDOD mailing list. (Denizens of Doom) They have a web site also. This was a discussion started by a woman who went to a local Honda dealer looking for a PC. They didn't have one in stock for her to see. She then wanted to go to another Honda dealer that may have had one in stock. The salesman then told her that the PC was too big for her to handle and proceeded to question her motorcycle knowledge in general. "That there's a Veeee-Twin! Do you know what a Vee-Twin is?" Feeling patronized and very put off, she went on to a local non-Honda dealer where she then bought a Triumph. When the woman discussed her experience on the NEDOD list, the results were as I posted here. Naah, you don't want one of them PCs anyway! "I'd rather drive a Subaru" or "I'd rather walk." They poke fun at Harleys and certain "Girly bikes" too. The NEDOD listers seem to ride everything but touring bikes. They do a lot of riding and most of them ride race tracks on weekends. I monitor the list because they are mostly local riders but lately, even before the PC comments, I've had second thoughts about continuing on their list. I occasionally catch some useful information there and contribute myself once in a while. I know a few of these people personally. They're more hooligan than PC or touring type personalities. If Beavis and Butthead rode motorcycles, they would be on this list. At 45, I'm most likely the oldest on the list. I don't take anything they say seriously. They can be funny at times even with their bathroom humor or downright rude to each other. I started a Boston area rider's list and some of them got offended by it. They thought they owned all of New England. Just thought you might get a kick out of some of the comments. If I catch any more I'll copy them too. ~Harvey Sattin Brookline, MA '98 PC On Fri, 06 Aug 1999 14:22:10 -0500 "R. Fenwick" writes: >I'm really curious now. Exactly where are these critical comments >coming >from... A "We hate PC's" listserver somewhere? :-0 > >Sorely tempted to send a quick and dirty note to this last one saying >"OK, >I'll take the PC and enjoy it while you walk... Have fun walking." > >Possibly did our ratings jump at deja.com get noticed? (By the >Interstate >Valkyrie owners group possibly... as he types with an evil little grin >on >his face) > >Rich Fenwick ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. --WebTV-Mail-4099-2246-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 08:55:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: Squeaky Brakes "Steve Zweigart" writes: > What would cause front brakes to squeak? They're smooth, and braking > power feels good, but tend to lightly squeal, especially when breaking > easily but frequently, like in town. Anyone else have this happen? > > While the bike was in the shop from hell over the past two weeks, the > mechanics were instructed to examine the brakes, and replace anything > in need of replacement (Carte Blanche to gouge), but apparently they > didn't see a need to replace anything. Then again, how can I be sure > they even looked? Do these "mechanics" walk on their knuckles? If I remember right, your bike is relatively new, so it's extremely unlikely that they replaced the front brake pads, which should last 50,000 miles or more. Disc brakes have a tendency to squeal, especially under light braking, which seems to be what you describe, because the pads are able to vibrate slightly. Because squealing is such an endemic "feature" of disc brakes, there are many products available to treat the symptom. You have to pull the front fender, then pull the brake pads and put something on the back sides that will damp out the vibration that causes the squeal. I'm looking at a can of Gunk "Disc Brake Quiet" spray: "...a high temperature water resistant protective film that dampens vibration and chatter... the cause of disc brake squeal." It's a blue goop that you spray on the BACK surfaces of the pads. Wait 10 minutes for the stuff to get tacky, then re-assemble. I had this problem after replacing the front brake pads on my Hawk, and the spray solved the problem. Usual disclaimer: don't get any of this stuff on the pads or discs, tighten all brake bolts securely, then doublecheck your work. Or, you may have a family of mice living under the voluminous front fender... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Selden Deemer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Lee Barker" To: Subject: PC800: PC for sale Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 06:50:01 -0700 Hi-- Several weeks ago while touring I stopped at a salvage yard in Yakima, WA to get a Suzuki part and there was a very nice, low miles PC there on consignment. I finagled a ride, and my heart was strangely warmed. I have sold the Suzuki and found a PC and the deal is nearly made. Meantime, I thought you might like to know about the PC. I don't remember facts, just rumors: black, 93 or 4, very nice, EXTREMELY low miles, beautifully installed battery tender, Hondaline cover, asking $5300. Rod's Cycle Shop on Fruitvale Blvd. in Yakima, WA. Lee Barker Redmond, Oregon -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail1.noc0.hsacorp.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.1b5) with SMTP id 1040510; Sat, 07 Aug 1999 14:01:20 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" , "Selden Deemer" Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Squeaky Brakes Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:46:08 -0400 As long as the situation is not dangerous, the noise is not all that annoying. And it's not always even there. (I haven't figured out the pattern or occurrence, yet.) My biggest (irrational?) fear is that if they squeak, there might be a "grabby" spot that would cause a lock-up before it would on non-squeakers. Got me thinking, though...can the disks on a motorcycle warp like those on an auto? Don't see why they wouldn't. THAT would be a dangerous situation. Steve Zweigart Maysville, Kentucky '97 PC800 ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Sent: Saturday, 07 August 1999 08:55 Subject: PC800: Re: Squeaky Brakes > "Steve Zweigart" writes: > > > What would cause front brakes to squeak? They're smooth, and braking > > power feels good, but tend to lightly squeal, especially when breaking > > easily but frequently, like in town. Anyone else have this happen? > > > > While the bike was in the shop from hell over the past two weeks, the > > mechanics were instructed to examine the brakes, and replace anything > > in need of replacement (Carte Blanche to gouge), but apparently they > > didn't see a need to replace anything. Then again, how can I be sure > > they even looked? > > Do these "mechanics" walk on their knuckles? If I remember right, your > bike is relatively new, so it's extremely unlikely that they replaced > the front brake pads, which should last 50,000 miles or more. Disc brakes > have a tendency to squeal, especially under light braking, which seems to > be what you describe, because the pads are able to vibrate slightly. > > Because squealing is such an endemic "feature" of disc brakes, there are > many products available to treat the symptom. You have to pull the front > fender, then pull the brake pads and put something on the back sides > that will damp out the vibration that causes the squeal. I'm looking at > a can of Gunk "Disc Brake Quiet" spray: > > "...a high temperature water resistant protective film that > dampens vibration and chatter... the cause of disc brake squeal." > > It's a blue goop that you spray on the BACK surfaces of the pads. Wait 10 > minutes for the stuff to get tacky, then re-assemble. I had this problem > after replacing the front brake pads on my Hawk, and the spray solved > the problem. Usual disclaimer: don't get any of this stuff on the pads > or discs, tighten all brake bolts securely, then doublecheck your work. > > Or, you may have a family of mice living under the voluminous front > fender... > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Selden Deemer > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:15:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Squeaky Brakes Squealing is usually most noticeable under light braking because there isn't enough pressure on the pads to prevent them from vibrating. My guess is that if you really grab the front brakes, they won't squeal. The rotors can warp, just as they do on a car, but I've never seen a report of this from a PC owner. It's not particularly dangerous; the front end just vibrates a little. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Selden Deemer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, Steven R. Zweigart wrote: > As long as the situation is not dangerous, the noise is not all that > annoying. And it's not always even there. (I haven't figured out the > pattern or occurrence, yet.) My biggest (irrational?) fear is that if they > squeak, there might be a "grabby" spot that would cause a lock-up before it > would on non-squeakers. > > Got me thinking, though...can the disks on a motorcycle warp like those on > an auto? Don't see why they wouldn't. THAT would be a dangerous situation. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "R. Fenwick" To: "PC 800 List" Subject: PC800: "Cause of cycle crash still unknown" Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:48:34 -0500 "Cause of cycle crash still unknown" Official: Alcohol wasn't involved in fatal accident. August 6, 1999 Douglas County Coroner Joe Victor said he will probably never know exactly what happened last month when two motorcycles collided north of Tuscola, killing four city teens. Victor told a six member coroner's jury at Thursday's inquest that neither alcohol nor speed played a role in the crash. The jury ruled that three of the four deaths were accidental. Rebecca Stephenson, 17, Amy Cruzan, 16, and Timothy Jones, 19, all suffered fatal injuries July 16 when the motorcycles they were riding collided on the Prairie Street extension about 3 miles north of Tuscola. The accident also killed 19 year old Joshua Irwin, who died the next day at Carle Foundation Hospital. A coroner's inquest into his death will be held next month in Champaign County. Authorities think the accident happened as follows: Both Mr. Irwin and Mr. Jones were northbound on identical Yamaha motorcycles with Miss Stephenson and Miss Cruzan as passengers respectively. Mr. Irwin attempted to turn his motorcycle around to head south when the front wheel of Mr. Jones' cycle struck Mr. Irwin's in the left side. All riders and both motorcycles were thrown from the roadway by the impact. Miss Stephenson was thrown about 200 feet from the point of impact, landing in a farm field west of the road, Mr. Irwin landed 115 feet away in the western ditch. Mr. Jones and Miss Cruzan were found on the east side of the road, both about 170 feet from the point of impact. Victor said Miss Stephenson and Mr. Jones died within seconds of the crash from massive injuries to the head and body. None of the four riders were wearing a helmet. The exact cause of the accident remains a mystery, because there were no witnesses, said Douglas Patton, Chief Deputy of the Douglas County Sheriff's Department. He testified that authorities were alerted by a passer by who came upon the scene and called from a cellular phone. Victor said speed wasn't a factor in the crash. The Irwin vehicle was either attempting a slow turn or was stopped. Tests found no traces of alcohol or illegal drugs. An autopsy did reveal nicotine and Tylenol in Mr. Jones' system. Victor told the jurors that Mr. Jones had been having problems with dizziness, forcing him to miss a week of work. He returned to work on July 16, only to go home early because of the problem. He died about 5 hours later. Victor said the cause of the dizziness was unknown, though a family physician thought it could have been stress related. (Taken from the August 6 edition of the Champaign-Urbana News Gazette) ****** Thoughts, anyone? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:58:39 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jim Alexander" To: "R. Fenwick" , "PC 800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: "Cause of cycle crash still unknown" Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 14:58:03 -0700 Thoughts? How about four fatal reasons for wearing a helmet? How does someone get thrown 200 feet in a slow speed accident, anyway? Certainly tragic and it will have numerous people confirm their assumptions that motorcycles are dangerous. I wonder if they were licensed for motorcycles and if they had taken any Rider Safety / Education courses. -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: R. Fenwick To: PC 800 List Date: Saturday, August 07, 1999 1:46 PM Subject: PC800: "Cause of cycle crash still unknown" > >"Cause of cycle crash still unknown" > >Official: Alcohol wasn't involved in fatal accident. > >August 6, 1999 > >Douglas County Coroner Joe Victor said he will probably never know exactly >what happened last month when two motorcycles collided north of Tuscola, >killing four city teens. > >Victor told a six member coroner's jury at Thursday's inquest that neither >alcohol nor speed played a role in the crash. The jury ruled that three of >the four deaths were accidental. Rebecca Stephenson, 17, Amy Cruzan, 16, >and Timothy Jones, 19, all suffered fatal injuries July 16 when the >motorcycles they were riding collided on the Prairie Street extension about >3 miles north of Tuscola. > >The accident also killed 19 year old Joshua Irwin, who died the next day at >Carle Foundation Hospital. A coroner's inquest into his death will be held >next month in Champaign County. > >Authorities think the accident happened as follows: > >Both Mr. Irwin and Mr. Jones were northbound on identical Yamaha motorcycles >with Miss Stephenson and Miss Cruzan as passengers respectively. > >Mr. Irwin attempted to turn his motorcycle around to head south when the >front wheel of Mr. Jones' cycle struck Mr. Irwin's in the left side. All >riders and both motorcycles were thrown from the roadway by the impact. > >Miss Stephenson was thrown about 200 feet from the point of impact, landing >in a farm field west of the road, Mr. Irwin landed 115 feet away in the >western ditch. > >Mr. Jones and Miss Cruzan were found on the east side of the road, both >about 170 feet from the point of impact. Victor said Miss Stephenson and >Mr. Jones died within seconds of the crash from massive injuries to the head >and body. > >None of the four riders were wearing a helmet. > >The exact cause of the accident remains a mystery, because there were no >witnesses, said Douglas Patton, Chief Deputy of the Douglas County Sheriff's >Department. He testified that authorities were alerted by a passer by who >came upon the scene and called from a cellular phone. > >Victor said speed wasn't a factor in the crash. The Irwin vehicle was >either attempting a slow turn or was stopped. > >Tests found no traces of alcohol or illegal drugs. An autopsy did reveal >nicotine and Tylenol in Mr. Jones' system. > >Victor told the jurors that Mr. Jones had been having problems with >dizziness, forcing him to miss a week of work. He returned to work on July >16, only to go home early because of the problem. He died about 5 hours >later. > >Victor said the cause of the dizziness was unknown, though a family >physician thought it could have been stress related. > >(Taken from the August 6 edition of the Champaign-Urbana News Gazette) > >****** >Thoughts, anyone? > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:58:39 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jim Alexander" To: "R. Fenwick" , "PC 800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: "Cause of cycle crash still unknown" Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 14:58:03 -0700 Thoughts? How about four fatal reasons for wearing a helmet? How does someone get thrown 200 feet in a slow speed accident, anyway? Certainly tragic and it will have numerous people confirm their assumptions that motorcycles are dangerous. I wonder if they were licensed for motorcycles and if they had taken any Rider Safety / Education courses. -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: R. Fenwick To: PC 800 List Date: Saturday, August 07, 1999 1:46 PM Subject: PC800: "Cause of cycle crash still unknown" > >"Cause of cycle crash still unknown" > >Official: Alcohol wasn't involved in fatal accident. > >August 6, 1999 > >Douglas County Coroner Joe Victor said he will probably never know exactly >what happened last month when two motorcycles collided north of Tuscola, >killing four city teens. > >Victor told a six member coroner's jury at Thursday's inquest that neither >alcohol nor speed played a role in the crash. The jury ruled that three of >the four deaths were accidental. Rebecca Stephenson, 17, Amy Cruzan, 16, >and Timothy Jones, 19, all suffered fatal injuries July 16 when the >motorcycles they were riding collided on the Prairie Street extension about >3 miles north of Tuscola. > >The accident also killed 19 year old Joshua Irwin, who died the next day at >Carle Foundation Hospital. A coroner's inquest into his death will be held >next month in Champaign County. > >Authorities think the accident happened as follows: > >Both Mr. Irwin and Mr. Jones were northbound on identical Yamaha motorcycles >with Miss Stephenson and Miss Cruzan as passengers respectively. > >Mr. Irwin attempted to turn his motorcycle around to head south when the >front wheel of Mr. Jones' cycle struck Mr. Irwin's in the left side. All >riders and both motorcycles were thrown from the roadway by the impact. > >Miss Stephenson was thrown about 200 feet from the point of impact, landing >in a farm field west of the road, Mr. Irwin landed 115 feet away in the >western ditch. > >Mr. Jones and Miss Cruzan were found on the east side of the road, both >about 170 feet from the point of impact. Victor said Miss Stephenson and >Mr. Jones died within seconds of the crash from massive injuries to the head >and body. > >None of the four riders were wearing a helmet. > >The exact cause of the accident remains a mystery, because there were no >witnesses, said Douglas Patton, Chief Deputy of the Douglas County Sheriff's >Department. He testified that authorities were alerted by a passer by who >came upon the scene and called from a cellular phone. > >Victor said speed wasn't a factor in the crash. The Irwin vehicle was >either attempting a slow turn or was stopped. > >Tests found no traces of alcohol or illegal drugs. An autopsy did reveal >nicotine and Tylenol in Mr. Jones' system. > >Victor told the jurors that Mr. Jones had been having problems with >dizziness, forcing him to miss a week of work. He returned to work on July >16, only to go home early because of the problem. He died about 5 hours >later. > >Victor said the cause of the dizziness was unknown, though a family >physician thought it could have been stress related. > >(Taken from the August 6 edition of the Champaign-Urbana News Gazette) > >****** >Thoughts, anyone? > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "R. Fenwick" To: "PC 800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: "Cause of cycle crash still unknown" Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:38:44 -0500 Jim Alexander wrote: >How does someone get thrown 200 feet in a slow speed accident, anyway? BINGO! Jim, that's the #1 reason I posted this, and no helmets was #2. How do 3 of 4 riders get thrown in excess 170 feet in an accident where "speed wasn't a factor"... ??? I didn't take physics in college, but... 170 feet... Isn't that well over 50 yards... and the authorities say that "speed wasn't a factor"... (*ahem*) See what we have to put up with here in Illinois with regard to our "authorities"? We have a very good MSF program here in my hometown, which is approx. 25 miles from Tuscola. I have taken the course twice, first time was 11 years ago, and then again in May, 1999. Unfortunately, they are very difficult to get into, the class sessions fill up for the whole summer by the first of May. Unfortunately, that in itself is tragic. We need more classes... Illinois has mandated a $10 fee (every four years) for an "M" endorsement on your license to help increase funding for these courses. I'm all for it... This article didn't reveal it, but the two guys were best friends and bought matching bikes at the same time. This article is so sobering. I have kept it and read it occasionally. Just wanted to share it with everyone here. (My apologies if I am "bumming" everyone out...) Rich Fenwick **************** -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Alexander To: R. Fenwick ; PC 800 List Date: Saturday, August 07, 1999 4:59 PM Subject: Re: PC800: "Cause of cycle crash still unknown" >Thoughts? How about four fatal reasons for wearing a helmet? > >How does someone get thrown 200 feet in a slow speed accident, anyway? > >Certainly tragic and it will have numerous people confirm their assumptions >that motorcycles are dangerous. > >I wonder if they were licensed for motorcycles and if they had taken any >Rider Safety / Education courses. > >-----Original Message----- >From: R. Fenwick >To: PC 800 List >Date: Saturday, August 07, 1999 1:46 PM >Subject: PC800: "Cause of cycle crash still unknown" > > >> >>"Cause of cycle crash still unknown" >> >>Official: Alcohol wasn't involved in fatal accident. >> >>August 6, 1999 >> >>Douglas County Coroner Joe Victor said he will probably never know exactly >>what happened last month when two motorcycles collided north of Tuscola, >>killing four city teens. >> >>Victor told a six member coroner's jury at Thursday's inquest that neither >>alcohol nor speed played a role in the crash. The jury ruled that three of >>the four deaths were accidental. Rebecca Stephenson, 17, Amy Cruzan, 16, >>and Timothy Jones, 19, all suffered fatal injuries July 16 when the >>motorcycles they were riding collided on the Prairie Street extension about >>3 miles north of Tuscola. >> >>The accident also killed 19 year old Joshua Irwin, who died the next day at >>Carle Foundation Hospital. A coroner's inquest into his death will be held >>next month in Champaign County. >> >>Authorities think the accident happened as follows: >> >>Both Mr. Irwin and Mr. Jones were northbound on identical Yamaha >motorcycles >>with Miss Stephenson and Miss Cruzan as passengers respectively. >> >>Mr. Irwin attempted to turn his motorcycle around to head south when the >>front wheel of Mr. Jones' cycle struck Mr. Irwin's in the left side. All >>riders and both motorcycles were thrown from the roadway by the impact. >> >>Miss Stephenson was thrown about 200 feet from the point of impact, landing >>in a farm field west of the road, Mr. Irwin landed 115 feet away in the >>western ditch. >> >>Mr. Jones and Miss Cruzan were found on the east side of the road, both >>about 170 feet from the point of impact. Victor said Miss Stephenson and >>Mr. Jones died within seconds of the crash from massive injuries to the >head >>and body. >> >>None of the four riders were wearing a helmet. >> >>The exact cause of the accident remains a mystery, because there were no >>witnesses, said Douglas Patton, Chief Deputy of the Douglas County >Sheriff's >>Department. He testified that authorities were alerted by a passer by who >>came upon the scene and called from a cellular phone. >> >>Victor said speed wasn't a factor in the crash. The Irwin vehicle was >>either attempting a slow turn or was stopped. >> >>Tests found no traces of alcohol or illegal drugs. An autopsy did reveal >>nicotine and Tylenol in Mr. Jones' system. >> >>Victor told the jurors that Mr. Jones had been having problems with >>dizziness, forcing him to miss a week of work. He returned to work on July >>16, only to go home early because of the problem. He died about 5 hours >>later. >> >>Victor said the cause of the dizziness was unknown, though a family >>physician thought it could have been stress related. >> >>(Taken from the August 6 edition of the Champaign-Urbana News Gazette) >> >>****** >>Thoughts, anyone? >> >> >>-- >>Visit the PC800 web page at >>To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >>message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >>To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >> > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PRGormley@aol.com for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:56:41 EDT Subject: PC800: Cause Unknown? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Well, it was obvious to me as most others that speed WAS a factor. Physical laws must have been repealed in that jurisdiction. Second, everyone seems to be on board with the lack of helmets issue, also. No one has mentioned, but it has been implied, matching bikes, same day, girlfriends on the back, all in their teens ... I'm guessing that these were not PC's, Goldwings, any form of touring or easygoing cruising bikes. Anyone care to guess that the displacement was well over 500 cc's and were "crotch rockets?" As for teens and girls, my guess is that since this was an area where there were no witnesses, this was an area well suited to speed and showing off. Sad. Four grieving sets of parents. Unfortunately, youth is condition that is caused and cured by a lack of wisdom and experience. Which one of us will deny having been there? - Paul -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:29:45 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 19:26:39 -0400 From: John Mc CLun To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Greetings from members.tripod.com/~pc800 Fellow Riders - I am not currently on the list but have been in the past. I am looking for a Honda back rest for my 95 PC. If anyone has one for sale or knows the parts number so I may order one, would you please contact me at jmcclun@home.net. Thanks and would appreciate any help. John 95 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (SMTPD32-5.01) id A4D34240296; Sat, 07 Aug 1999 19:44:19 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bruce Jackson" To: "'R. Fenwick'" , "'PC 800 List'" Subject: RE: PC800: "Cause of cycle crash still unknown" Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:47:01 -0700 Importance: Normal Speaking of helmets, this is an interesting case for "ridin' bare"... http://www.forbes.com/fyi/99/0503/041.htm -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu] On Behalf Of R. Fenwick Sent: Saturday, August 07, 1999 3:39 PM To: PC 800 List Subject: Re: PC800: "Cause of cycle crash still unknown" Jim Alexander wrote: >How does someone get thrown 200 feet in a slow speed accident, anyway? BINGO! Jim, that's the #1 reason I posted this, and no helmets was #2. How do 3 of 4 riders get thrown in excess 170 feet in an accident where "speed wasn't a factor"... ??? I didn't take physics in college, but... 170 feet... Isn't that well over 50 yards... and the authorities say that "speed wasn't a factor"... (*ahem*) See what we have to put up with here in Illinois with regard to our "authorities"? We have a very good MSF program here in my hometown, which is approx. 25 miles from Tuscola. I have taken the course twice, first time was 11 years ago, and then again in May, 1999. Unfortunately, they are very difficult to get into, the class sessions fill up for the whole summer by the first of May. Unfortunately, that in itself is tragic. We need more classes... Illinois has mandated a $10 fee (every four years) for an "M" endorsement on your license to help increase funding for these courses. I'm all for it... This article didn't reveal it, but the two guys were best friends and bought matching bikes at the same time. This article is so sobering. I have kept it and read it occasionally. Just wanted to share it with everyone here. (My apologies if I am "bumming" everyone out...) Rich Fenwick **************** -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Alexander To: R. Fenwick ; PC 800 List Date: Saturday, August 07, 1999 4:59 PM Subject: Re: PC800: "Cause of cycle crash still unknown" >Thoughts? How about four fatal reasons for wearing a helmet? > >How does someone get thrown 200 feet in a slow speed accident, anyway? > >Certainly tragic and it will have numerous people confirm their assumptions >that motorcycles are dangerous. > >I wonder if they were licensed for motorcycles and if they had taken any >Rider Safety / Education courses. > >-----Original Message----- >From: R. Fenwick >To: PC 800 List >Date: Saturday, August 07, 1999 1:46 PM >Subject: PC800: "Cause of cycle crash still unknown" > > >> >>"Cause of cycle crash still unknown" >> >>Official: Alcohol wasn't involved in fatal accident. >> >>August 6, 1999 >> >>Douglas County Coroner Joe Victor said he will probably never know exactly >>what happened last month when two motorcycles collided north of Tuscola, >>killing four city teens. >> >>Victor told a six member coroner's jury at Thursday's inquest that neither >>alcohol nor speed played a role in the crash. The jury ruled that three of >>the four deaths were accidental. Rebecca Stephenson, 17, Amy Cruzan, 16, >>and Timothy Jones, 19, all suffered fatal injuries July 16 when the >>motorcycles they were riding collided on the Prairie Street extension about >>3 miles north of Tuscola. >> >>The accident also killed 19 year old Joshua Irwin, who died the next day at >>Carle Foundation Hospital. A coroner's inquest into his death will be held >>next month in Champaign County. >> >>Authorities think the accident happened as follows: >> >>Both Mr. Irwin and Mr. Jones were northbound on identical Yamaha >motorcycles >>with Miss Stephenson and Miss Cruzan as passengers respectively. >> >>Mr. Irwin attempted to turn his motorcycle around to head south when the >>front wheel of Mr. Jones' cycle struck Mr. Irwin's in the left side. All >>riders and both motorcycles were thrown from the roadway by the impact. >> >>Miss Stephenson was thrown about 200 feet from the point of impact, landing >>in a farm field west of the road, Mr. Irwin landed 115 feet away in the >>western ditch. >> >>Mr. Jones and Miss Cruzan were found on the east side of the road, both >>about 170 feet from the point of impact. Victor said Miss Stephenson and >>Mr. Jones died within seconds of the crash from massive injuries to the >head >>and body. >> >>None of the four riders were wearing a helmet. >> >>The exact cause of the accident remains a mystery, because there were no >>witnesses, said Douglas Patton, Chief Deputy of the Douglas County >Sheriff's >>Department. He testified that authorities were alerted by a passer by who >>came upon the scene and called from a cellular phone. >> >>Victor said speed wasn't a factor in the crash. The Irwin vehicle was >>either attempting a slow turn or was stopped. >> >>Tests found no traces of alcohol or illegal drugs. An autopsy did reveal >>nicotine and Tylenol in Mr. Jones' system. >> >>Victor told the jurors that Mr. Jones had been having problems with >>dizziness, forcing him to miss a week of work. He returned to work on July >>16, only to go home early because of the problem. He died about 5 hours >>later. >> >>Victor said the cause of the dizziness was unknown, though a family >>physician thought it could have been stress related. >> >>(Taken from the August 6 edition of the Champaign-Urbana News Gazette) >> >>****** >>Thoughts, anyone? >> >> >>-- >>Visit the PC800 web page at >>To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >>message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >>To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >> > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rodneycarey@juno.com by m7.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EHF7MLFC; Sat, 07 Aug 1999 20:28:17 EDT To: emile@Cybercomm.nl Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:25:24 -0500 Subject: PC800: Ever so slowly going to the dark side... Emile…….. Emile…….. are you out there……….? I think….. I think that…… I think that I need medication now…. Slowly… ever so slowly… I am being pulled to the dark side…. Should I fight it? Which way should I go my brother? I drove the 98 ST1100 ABS ll today….. that darn dealer called me when it came to the showroom as a trade in on a valkyrie… The ST has 16K and is in good condition. The chap who bought the Valk did so because he met the girl of his dreams, fell in lust and she wanted a Valk. Cool motorcycle but I wonder if he is thinking with the wrong head. His trade in is my gain…. I think the price is fair but I will need to let "The Meadowlark" (Monica) go. As the Dutch would say "such is much." The ride I had on the ST today was enough to cloud the minds of man. I can feel the pull now and it is becoming stronger by the hour…. Pull… tug… pull… pull…. Which way to go my brother? Bon Ton Roulet! Rod Carey Mendota Hts, Minnesota 1994 Honda PC800... `Meadowlark' (`Monica`) Wong Wing `Thank You Philips Wong And Now "Buns Of Kevlar" And now "Tall Rifle" Snick.. Snick... Snick.... Snick..... = 90MPH -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rpattee@g-net.net by SMTP00.InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-12 #23426) Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:47:23 EDT Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 00:51:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: PC800: "Cause of cycle crash still unknown" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Reply-to: rpattee@g-net.net >Jim Alexander wrote: >>How does someone get thrown 200 feet in a slow speed accident, anyway? > >BINGO! Jim, that's the #1 reason I posted this, and no helmets was #2. > >How do 3 of 4 riders get thrown in excess 170 feet in an accident where >"speed wasn't a factor"... ??? I didn't take physics in college, but... > >170 feet... Isn't that well over 50 yards... and the authorities say = that >"speed wasn't a factor"... (*ahem*) See what we have to put up with = here >in Illinois with regard to our "authorities"? ------------------------------ I have only read the article posted, but since I have over 20 years of accident reconstruction (this differs greatly from 'reporting' an accident); am a court recognized accident expert (by that I mean, my training background has been scrutinized by attorney's in court, and the courts-States of Arizona and Georgia-have labeled me as an expert), speed sometimes in not a factor in an accident, regardless of how far riders are ejected. Now...that implies, possibly, that they were speeding, and that may not be the case. Basically there are three main 'groups' involved in an accident; 1. Driver (in the case of a motorcycle..operator), 2. Roadway, 3. Vehicle. Should any one of these main groups fail (obviously), there is going to be an accident. And as you can imagine, there are many factors involved in each group, which will lead up to an accident. Just imagine if you had an expert rider, on a fantastic road, driving a vehicle which malfunction in some way? Then you can get in depth and add a whole bunch of factors within the above groups that can, and will, lend themselves to be major factors of an accident...in other words...alot can be involved, more then speed. Being ejected, and landing some distance from an area of collision, does not imply that speed itself was one of the contributing factors of the accident. If anyone here has ridden dirt bikes...think "highside". Have you ever played whip snake? We also need to remember that the words being used in the article are "about" XXX distance..and we don't know what exactly was the contributing factor for final rest...ie...grass..one slides alot on grass...what clothing was being worn? Certain types of clothing lessens the friction between that and whatever is being slid upon...how far did the motorcycle's themselves push/carry the victims? There are just too many variables to be chastising law enforcement, from a newspaper article. And helmets...I adhere to the fact that they are like our ballistic vests. They help, but they are not the golden fleece which will prevent an accident, or stop injury. I, surprisingly, don't mind motorcycling without helmets, but I do adhere to whatever state law is present. IF helmets were to prevent death/serious injury, then cagers should wear them too! I will NOT get involved in a helmet debate, as I have my basis for my opinion, respect it as I will yours. There are two opinions, we will agree to disagree on the helmet issue if your opinion differs. Secondly...I never outright cooperated with the news media, as they ALWAYS screwed up whatever I gave them to begin with. We don't know if the reporter added to the article, viewed the scene, took a brief verbal account, and then wrote the article? And again...not sticking up for those who investigated this unfortunate accident..but..don't put a whole lot of stock into what you read in the media, they have gone from reporting the facts, to reporting the items that sell and make headlines. As for me...I have been present at well over 300 traffic accident autopsies (41 in one year..that was a bad year), and my wife claims I drive like an old man. To which I answer..Yup..and if you will note dear, I AM an old man! Now..dodging bullets...I gotta work on that..I always seem to bob when I shoulda weaved..sigh...damn! Youth and wisdom are not compatible. I can relate to that personally, as well as professionally.=20 4 young lives were lost. These were 4 lives, personalities, stories of fun, love, good times, and bad times... that the final chapter was written on each one, possibly too soon..who knows? But also remember that there are 4 families that are suffering due to this accident. As well as the many friends who lost someone they knew. Those are the ones that need the sympathy, and understanding.=20 No one ever understands .. WHY? Even when a "why" can be determined. Roger AMA# 721102 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*> Betrayed by the land that bore us, forsaken by the ones we hold dear. The good have all gone before us, and only=20 the evil are here. Stand to your glasses steady, the world is a world full=20 of lies. Here's to those that have gone before us, and here's to=20 the next man that dies. <*><*><*<*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*> my home on the web..not much, but it was fun to make. http://members.tripod.com/~Motordawg/index.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: Cc: "PC800" Subject: PC800: Re: Ever so slowly going to the dark side... Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 03:01:11 +0200 >Emile.... Emile.... are you out there....? >I think... I think that.. I think that I need medication now.. >Slowly. ever so slowly. I am being pulled to the dark side.. >Should I fight it? Which way should I go my brother? Your thoughts betray you, my old apprentice... Your feeble skills are no match for the power of the dark side. Fight, or you will meet your destiny....let the hate grow inside you........... >I drove the 98 ST1100 ABS ll today... that darn dealer called me.. >I think the price is fair but I will need to >let "The Meadowlark" (Monica) go. >As the Dutch would say "such is much." I believe the Dutch would say that in Dutch, not in English.... I think the proper Dutch translation would be "dikke lul, drie bier.." >The ride I had on the ST today was enough to cloud the minds of man. >I can feel the pull now and it is becoming stronger by the hour.. >Which way to go my brother? Don't underestimate the power of the dark side....your thoughts betray you, your defense is weak....join the dark side, vader.... you only live once....... May the force be with y'all....... Emile '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" '92 ST ABS/TCS [V minus 6 days] http://fly.to/emile -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 21:18:36 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: Ever so slowly going to the dark side... To: rodneycarey@juno.com, emile@cybercomm.nl CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Go to the DARK side Ron......... It is but a pity to lose another to the Dark side. But those that we lose are not and never have been True Believers anyway. True Believers do not care that their motorcycle is not the fastest in the land, for We believe that truly it is more important for it to bring forth the fastest grin. True Believers do not care that their machines lack several square feet of chrome. For the beauty of our bikes is to be found deep in their souls. Pictures do not exist in motorcycle magazines of smoke pouring from the rear tire of Pacific Coast doing a burnout. The fire that burns is that which comes from the heart of the joyful rider that is on his or her wondrous mount. We True Believers do not believe that our basic machines are capable of serious improvement. Once the artist has created his masterpiece, he may as well lay his brushes down for good. To dabble more is but an exercise in futility. We True Believers look at a map and wonder not if we can make it there, but instead of when we will be arriving. We True Believers laugh at the fuel pumps, and we curse the end of the ride. But the curses die softly, as they are replaced with the planning for the next glorious day. We True Believers smile at the young lad who wishes to know how fast our machines will travel, for we are unable to make them understand that speed is just a fleeting thing, but memories of a day with the Pacific Coast can last forever. The True Believers are never annoyed when our mates ask us to make a trip to the store to pick up an item. That is, of course, unless it will not fit in/on the PC, which is not likely. And finally, we True Believers never mind when someone ask, "What kind of motorcycle is that?", because then we get to tell them. Sorry to lose you to the Dark side, Ron. But only a few can hold claim to being a True Believer. Man is indeed a curious creature. Too often he cannot read the handwriting on the wall until his back is against it. Russ Vernon 95 PC 800 God Willing, mine forever. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 21:06:44 -0500 From: Ralph Couey To: "R. Fenwick" CC: PC 800 List Subject: Re: PC800: "Cause of cycle crash still unknown" This was a sobering tragedy. The helmet issue occurs to me first. Also, the last thing an inexperienced biker needs to do is take passengers. On the physics thing, when I had my accident a year ago February, I was traveling between 45 and 50 mph. The State Trooper investigating the accident told me that from the initial impact point I slid 137 feet. On my back with my feet up in the air. So perhaps it is not altogether impossible for a 10-foot flight, especially if the impact of the two bikes caused the rear end to fly off the ground with any sort of force. That might have provided enough thrust to account for the extra distance. A number of years ago a teenage driver was involved in an accident with his car. He had stated that he lost control while avoiding a dog in the road. The car drove into the culvert and back out becoming airborne. The police, ignoring his protestations of not speeding, measured the distance and concluded that he was. When the case went to trial, his parents (well-off) hired a stunt driver to recreate the accident. The driver did so, at the speed claimed by the teenager, and proved that the car could, and did, get considerable distance in the air, even at the posted speed limit. As my high school physics teacher told me, "With Physics, never assume any result not proven by experiment." --Ralph Couey -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rodneycarey@juno.com by m7.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EHGDMDVU; Sat, 07 Aug 1999 22:13:02 EDT To: RVPC800@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:58:26 -0500 Subject: Re: PC800: Ever so slowly going to the dark side... Thank you Russ, I can find no flaws in your logic.... Keep the faith brother. I am now 59 and must try this new whizz-bang while I can. Cya Rod Carey -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 15:14:22 +1200 To: PC800 Rider From: Richard Proctor Subject: Re: PC800: Ever so slowly going to the dark side...Name for bike "The Force be with you, my son." Does "ST" stand for "Starship Trooper". I'm protected from the Dark Forces because my legs are too short to ride an ST. Now a PC with ABS and integrated brakes....... :-))))) >Emile=D6=D6.. Emile=D6=D6.. are you out there=D6=D6=D6.? >I think=D6.. I think that=D6=D6 I think that I need medication now=D6. >Slowly=D6 ever so slowly=D6 I am being pulled to the dark side=D6. >Should I fight it? Which way should I go my brother? > snip > >The ride I had on the ST today was enough to cloud the minds of man. > >I can feel the pull now and it is becoming stronger by the hour=D6. > >Pull=D6 tug=D6 pull=D6 pull=D6. > >Which way to go my brother? > >Bon Ton Roulet! >Rod Carey Mendota Hts, Minnesota >1994 Honda PC800... `Meadowlark' (`Monica`) I have been pondering a name for my imminent '89 PC. =46emale names seem to be de rigeur and I have been trying to come up with a name for a curvey blonde with an impressive front aspect and a somewhat chubby rear. In light of the capture of two of our brethren by the Dark Forces perhaps I need a slightly funny looking spiritual protector. Now, how would "Yoda" go as nickname?? Appropos, when my now 18 year old daughter was an infant she would scavenge her big brothers' lunch boxes when they got home from school, making funny little noises. She instantly became "Yoda". Richard Proctor New Xenaland -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RickCorwn@aol.com for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:04:58 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: "Cause of cycle crash still unknown" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Snip: >Mr. Irwin attempted to turn his motorcycle around to head south when the >front wheel of Mr. Jones' cycle struck Mr. Irwin's in the left side. All >riders and both motorcycles were thrown from the roadway by the impact. This is Dej'avu (sp) all over again. Many years ago when I was "21 and bulletproof" a very good friend of mine and a couple of others were riding, well blasting down the local "racer road" planning to stop off at a park along the way. It was a left turn into the park and my friend Gene was out front on his Ducati 750 SS, I was bringing up the rear on my Norton Commando. Now you need to realize that this was my usual route to work in the morning, everything except the turn into the park. Gene began to make his left turn into the park just as I rounded the last curve at about 60 mph. I was able to just reach the horn button in time to warn Gene. He stopped his turn just as I shot past on the left. It was scary then, to think about it now is terrifying. It was clearly all my fault, I was on autopilot running down my favorite road and nearly killed myself and a close friend. The story of these two "kids" is sad, but now to think back on all the good times Gene and I have had over the last twentysomething years and all that these two, to say nothing of their families, had before them makes my heart ache. I think I need to call Gene soon and go for a ride, life can change too quickly. Ride swift, ride safe Rick Corwine -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:06:50 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jim Alexander" To: "PC800 Rider" , "Richard Proctor" Subject: Re: PC800: Ever so slowly going to the dark side...Name for bike Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 21:06:14 -0700 Oh Richard, you don't know how wrong you are. There has been a discussion on the ST list about height and most riders have a 30" or 31" inseam who ride an ST. I personally have a 26 1/2" inseam when I buy pants which equates to about 28" when you consider an extra 1 1/2" from the bottom of my pants to the ground. I have ridden a '91 ST for 95K miles and my '98 for 7K miles now. So unless your shorter than that, you can't let that gold you up. -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Richard Proctor To: PC800 Rider Date: Saturday, August 07, 1999 8:16 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Ever so slowly going to the dark side...Name for bike "The Force be with you, my son." Does "ST" stand for "Starship Trooper". I'm protected from the Dark Forces because my legs are too short to ride an ST. Now a PC with ABS and integrated brakes....... :-))))) >EmileÖÖ.. EmileÖÖ.. are you out thereÖÖÖ.? >I thinkÖ.. I think thatÖÖ I think that I need medication nowÖ. >SlowlyÖ ever so slowlyÖ I am being pulled to the dark sideÖ. >Should I fight it? Which way should I go my brother? > snip > >The ride I had on the ST today was enough to cloud the minds of man. > >I can feel the pull now and it is becoming stronger by the hourÖ. > >PullÖ tugÖ pullÖ pullÖ. > >Which way to go my brother? > >Bon Ton Roulet! >Rod Carey Mendota Hts, Minnesota >1994 Honda PC800... `Meadowlark' (`Monica`) I have been pondering a name for my imminent '89 PC. Female names seem to be de rigeur and I have been trying to come up with a name for a curvey blonde with an impressive front aspect and a somewhat chubby rear. In light of the capture of two of our brethren by the Dark Forces perhaps I need a slightly funny looking spiritual protector. Now, how would "Yoda" go as nickname?? Appropos, when my now 18 year old daughter was an infant she would scavenge her big brothers' lunch boxes when they got home from school, making funny little noises. She instantly became "Yoda". Richard Proctor New Xenaland -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ahall77379@aol.com for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:20:44 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: "Cause of cycle crash still unknown" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 8/7/99 5:37:11 PM Central Daylight Time, rich@pdnt.com writes: > 70 feet... Isn't that well over 50 yards... and the authorities say that > "speed wasn't a factor"... (*ahem*) See what we have to put up with here > in Illinois with regard to our "authorities"? If I may,I would say that "speed was not a factor" is simply a legalese way of saying that the bike which hit the stopped bike in the middile of the road was not traveling above the posted limit. t of f ? Alan in Houston 89' PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ahall77379@aol.com for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:23:07 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: "Cause of cycle crash still unknown" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 8/7/99 11:16:02 PM Central Daylight Time, Ahall77379 writes: > In a message dated 8/7/99 4:59:41 PM Central Daylight Time, JamesAlexander@ > csi.com writes: > > > "Cause of cycle crash still unknown" > > > Certainly an unfotunate and terribly sad accident. Helmets should have been > worn, obviously, but I suspect the real culprit was youth (inexpierience) and > horseplay. There are bold pilots and old pilots, but no old bold pilots. > > Alan in Houston 89' PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ahall77379@aol.com for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:24:07 EDT Subject: PC800: Squeaky Brakes To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 8/7/99 10:59:20 PM Central Daylight Time, Ahall77379 writes: > In a message dated 8/6/99 10:24:40 PM Central Daylight Time, srz@maysvilleky. > net writes: > > > What would cause front brakes to squeak? They're smooth, and braking > power > > feels good, but tend to lightly squeal, especially when breaking easily > but > > frequently, like in town. Anyone else have this happen? > > Mine do this as well. It does not bother me because I know that some > automotive brakes can squeak when in good working order. If someone has the > answer I hope to hear, post it! > > Alan in Houston 89' PC Return-path: Ahall77379@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ahall77379@aol.com Full-name: Ahall77379 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:59:20 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: Squeaky Brakes To: Steve_Z@writeme.com In a message dated 8/6/99 10:24:40 PM Central Daylight Time, srz@maysvilleky.net writes: > What would cause front brakes to squeak? They're smooth, and braking power > feels good, but tend to lightly squeal, especially when breaking easily but > frequently, like in town. Anyone else have this happen? Mine do this as well. It does not bother me because I know that some automotive brakes can squeak when in good working order. If someone has the answer I hope to hear, post it! Alan in Houston 89' PC Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ahall77379@aol.com for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:34:54 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: "Cause of cycle crash still unknown" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 8/7/99 7:48:09 PM Central Daylight Time, rpattee@g-net.net writes: > has ridden dirt bikes...think > "highside". This is usually a roadrace type of accident, and normally involves cornering ,intense acceleration, and tremendous grip from extreme quality tires. a Alan in Houston 89' PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ahall77379@aol.com for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:38:55 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: "Cause of cycle crash still unknown" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 8/7/99 7:48:09 PM Central Daylight Time, rpattee@g-net.net writes: > We also need to remember that the words being used in the article are > "about" XXX distance..and we don't know what exactly was the > contributing factor for final rest...ie...grass..one slides alot on > grass...what clothing was being worn? Certain types of clothing > lessens the friction between that and whatever is being slid > upon...how far did the motorcycle's themselves push/carry the victims? > There are just too many variables to be chastising law enforcement, > from a newspaper article. And helmets...I adhere to the fact that they > are like our ballistic vests. They help, but they are not the golden > fleece which will prevent an accident, or stop injury. I, > surprisingly, don't mind motorcycling without helmets, but I do adhere > to whatever state law is present. IF helmets were to prevent > death/serious injury, then cagers should wear them too! I will NOT get > involved in a helmet debate, as I have my basis for my opinion, > respect it as I will yours. There are two opinions, we will agree to > disagree on the helmet issue if your opinion differs. > > Secondly...I never outright cooperated with the news media, as they > ALWAYS screwed up whatever I gave them to begin with. We don't know if > the reporter added to the article, viewed the scene, took a brief > verbal account, and then wrote the article? > > And again...not sticking up for those who investigated this > unfortunate accident..but..don't put a whole lot of stock into what > you read in the media, they have gone from reporting the facts, to > reporting the items that sell and make headlines. > > As for me...I have been present at well over 300 traffic accident > autopsies (41 in one year..that was a bad year), and my wife claims I > drive like an old man. To which I answer..Yup..and if you will note > dear, I AM an old man! > > Now..dodging bullets...I gotta work on that..I always seem to bob when > I shoulda weaved..sigh...damn! > > Youth and wisdom are not compatible. I can relate to that personally, > as well as professionally. > Right on!! BTW -- I always seem to zig when I should zag! Alan in Houston 89' PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail1.noc0.hsacorp.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.1b5) with SMTP id 1051170; Sun, 08 Aug 1999 00:47:43 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve Zweigart" To: "Pacific Coast List" , "R. Fenwick" Subject: Re: PC800: "Cause of cycle crash still unknown" Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:47:31 -0400 The last fatal motorcycle that I had an opportunity to investigate occurred when an automobile pulled out in front of a motorcycle known to have been travelling in excess of 60 miles per hour. The motorcycle, a Goldwing, struck the right front corner of the automobile. There was about an 8 foot black streak on the pavement made by the cycle immediately prior to impact. The driver was killed on impact, and his body was in the immediate vicinity of the car/motorcycle, which remained within 20 feet of each other. The female passenger was propelled over the cycle driver, and died upon impact with the ground 175 feet from the point of impact. Both were wearing helmets. I considered that accident to be dynamically violent. The one mentioned in this thread sounds like it was at least as violent, especially in light of the following: 1. Passengers were thrown greater distances from point of impact. 2. Bikes were lighter, thus having less momentum. 3. Bikes were reportedly going in the same general direction, again reducing relative momentum. Sounds to me like the investigation was grossly flawed. The accident sure smells like a tragic case of immaturity and/or inexperience, maybe coupled with some teenaged shenanigans. I don't know, but must assume, that motorcycles are much like bicycles in that once the front wheel travel is interfered with, the bike's probably going down. I've seen some devestating bicycle accidents caused by apparently insignificant disturbances to the front wheel of the bike. Steve Zweigart Maysville, Kentucky '97PC800 ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: R. Fenwick To: PC 800 List Sent: Saturday, 07 August 1999 18:38 Subject: Re: PC800: "Cause of cycle crash still unknown" > Jim Alexander wrote: > >How does someone get thrown 200 feet in a slow speed accident, anyway? > > BINGO! Jim, that's the #1 reason I posted this, and no helmets was #2. > > How do 3 of 4 riders get thrown in excess 170 feet in an accident where > "speed wasn't a factor"... ??? I didn't take physics in college, but... > > 170 feet... Isn't that well over 50 yards... and the authorities say that > "speed wasn't a factor"... (*ahem*) See what we have to put up with here > in Illinois with regard to our "authorities"? > > We have a very good MSF program here in my hometown, which is approx. 25 > miles from Tuscola. I have taken the course twice, first time was 11 years > ago, and then again in May, 1999. > > Unfortunately, they are very difficult to get into, the class sessions fill > up for the whole summer by the first of May. Unfortunately, that in itself > is tragic. We need more classes... Illinois has mandated a $10 fee (every > four years) for an "M" endorsement on your license to help increase funding > for these courses. I'm all for it... > > This article didn't reveal it, but the two guys were best friends and bought > matching bikes at the same time. > > This article is so sobering. I have kept it and read it occasionally. Just > wanted to share it with everyone here. > > (My apologies if I am "bumming" everyone out...) > > Rich Fenwick > > **************** > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Alexander > To: R. Fenwick ; PC 800 List > Date: Saturday, August 07, 1999 4:59 PM > Subject: Re: PC800: "Cause of cycle crash still unknown" > > > >Thoughts? How about four fatal reasons for wearing a helmet? > > > >How does someone get thrown 200 feet in a slow speed accident, anyway? > > > >Certainly tragic and it will have numerous people confirm their assumptions > >that motorcycles are dangerous. > > > >I wonder if they were licensed for motorcycles and if they had taken any > >Rider Safety / Education courses. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: R. Fenwick > >To: PC 800 List > >Date: Saturday, August 07, 1999 1:46 PM > >Subject: PC800: "Cause of cycle crash still unknown" > > > > > >> > >>"Cause of cycle crash still unknown" > >> > >>Official: Alcohol wasn't involved in fatal accident. > >> > >>August 6, 1999 > >> > >>Douglas County Coroner Joe Victor said he will probably never know exactly > >>what happened last month when two motorcycles collided north of Tuscola, > >>killing four city teens. > >> > >>Victor told a six member coroner's jury at Thursday's inquest that neither > >>alcohol nor speed played a role in the crash. The jury ruled that three > of > >>the four deaths were accidental. Rebecca Stephenson, 17, Amy Cruzan, 16, > >>and Timothy Jones, 19, all suffered fatal injuries July 16 when the > >>motorcycles they were riding collided on the Prairie Street extension > about > >>3 miles north of Tuscola. > >> > >>The accident also killed 19 year old Joshua Irwin, who died the next day > at > >>Carle Foundation Hospital. A coroner's inquest into his death will be > held > >>next month in Champaign County. > >> > >>Authorities think the accident happened as follows: > >> > >>Both Mr. Irwin and Mr. Jones were northbound on identical Yamaha > >motorcycles > >>with Miss Stephenson and Miss Cruzan as passengers respectively. > >> > >>Mr. Irwin attempted to turn his motorcycle around to head south when the > >>front wheel of Mr. Jones' cycle struck Mr. Irwin's in the left side. All > >>riders and both motorcycles were thrown from the roadway by the impact. > >> > >>Miss Stephenson was thrown about 200 feet from the point of impact, > landing > >>in a farm field west of the road, Mr. Irwin landed 115 feet away in the > >>western ditch. > >> > >>Mr. Jones and Miss Cruzan were found on the east side of the road, both > >>about 170 feet from the point of impact. Victor said Miss Stephenson and > >>Mr. Jones died within seconds of the crash from massive injuries to the > >head > >>and body. > >> > >>None of the four riders were wearing a helmet. > >> > >>The exact cause of the accident remains a mystery, because there were no > >>witnesses, said Douglas Patton, Chief Deputy of the Douglas County > >Sheriff's > >>Department. He testified that authorities were alerted by a passer by who > >>came upon the scene and called from a cellular phone. > >> > >>Victor said speed wasn't a factor in the crash. The Irwin vehicle was > >>either attempting a slow turn or was stopped. > >> > >>Tests found no traces of alcohol or illegal drugs. An autopsy did reveal > >>nicotine and Tylenol in Mr. Jones' system. > >> > >>Victor told the jurors that Mr. Jones had been having problems with > >>dizziness, forcing him to miss a week of work. He returned to work on > July > >>16, only to go home early because of the problem. He died about 5 hours > >>later. > >> > >>Victor said the cause of the dizziness was unknown, though a family > >>physician thought it could have been stress related. > >> > >>(Taken from the August 6 edition of the Champaign-Urbana News Gazette) > >> > >>****** > >>Thoughts, anyone? > >> > >> > >>-- > >>Visit the PC800 web page at > >>To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > >>message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > >>To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > >> > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Nyffeler" To: "PC800 Group" Subject: PC800: Test Driving On The Dark Side (LONG) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:24:55 -0500 Hello All: The following are my observations of the following motorcycles. They are my humble opinions and are not offered to offend anyone's choice of motorcycle! Well with all the "to do" about rating touring bike on deja.com. I took the morning to ride my PC down to the local dealer. Yes I did flirt with the dark side. I had the opportunity to ride 3 different bikes. A BMW R1100RT, a Kawasaki Concours, and a Honda ST1100. While I thought that I would like the RT the best, I found that it exhibited an extreme amount of buzz at all legal speeds. I also had a hard time with the throttle, either it was on, or it was off. I think that it can be attributed to the EFI fuel system. The RT is definitely lighter than the PC, and the electrically adjustable windshield is wonderful. Final thoughts on the RT: It would have to be much smoother for me to turn to the dark side. My next ride was on the Kawasaki Concours. While Kaw's sell well in my city, (Kawasaki's USA manufacturing facility is based here) Concours are assembled in Japan. My thoughts: If I had never rode a smooth bike like the PC, I might like the Concours. It has a much more aggressive riding position than the PC. (Good transition if you are an aging Ninja rider.) The engine ran well but did exhibit a fair amount of buzz, but not as much as the RT. I had heard that the buzz was unbearable but after 30 miles it hadn't affected me. The Concours has a closely spaced 6 speed transmission. (Very closely spaced.) It cornered well on the clover leafs. (Where else do you find curves in Nebraska.) The one thing that concerned me most was how the fairing move vertically when you hit a bump in the road, about 1/4"-1/2". Also the wind protection was not as good as my PC (+5 Clearview). One wonderful feature that the Concours has is the "positive neutral finder". It will not let you miss neutral when you are standing still. Final thoughts on the Concours: If I could own several bikes, could fix the fairing movement, had plenty of curves to ride, put bar backs and a taller windshield on it, I might own one. Especially since the price for a new model is very reasonable. But it did not lure me to the dark side. My final ride was the Honda ST1100. After riding the other two I found the ST to be the most comfortable. It is true that the bike feels like it is turbine powered. So much smoother than the other two that I had to look at the tach to see that it was indeed running. And oh what a sound the bike make. Like they say, just like a turbine engine. The riding position was more upright than the Concours, but more aggressive than either the PC or RT. With a 5 speed transmission the ST felt more like our beloved PC's. I wasn't shifting all the time while accelerating like I did on the Concours. The ST responded better than the other two to steering inputs and to heavy braking. The biggest disappointment as the lack of space in the side cases, and how poorly the hinges on the case were fit. (Very loose.) Final thoughts on the ST: If I fit a taller windshield and bar backs on the ST, I could ride merrily into the sunset. But at the asking price, I would have to think long and hard before changing rides. I now know why so many Iron Butt rider have chosen a ST as their mount. A few weeks ago I posted that an RT would be my replacement for the PC when that time came. As of now I would like to take that back. It would probably be an ST, or a "Super PC"(?). Alas while the pull of the dark side was the strongest; I did not stray! So what did I do? I climbed back on my PC and enjoyed a ride in the country. I hope you enjoyed my observations. P.S. I recently had the chance to ride a Buell S3T . Final thoughts: "I have the right to remain silent....... Jim Nyffeler nyfty@navix.net 1989 PC800 "GO HUSKERS" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ahall77379@aol.com Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:49:48 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Ever so slowly going to the dark side... To: Emile@cybercomm.nl, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Emile my Man! I work for a company based in (yup) Holland, Michigan! Most of the volks there are Dutch. Point -- These guys are machine heads! (can you say Deep Purple?) I know the Internal Flaw you suffer with -- for faster, quicker, better (the grass is always greener over the septic tank) Sooo.... You go for that bad motorsycle and ride(sorry) We'll still be here to listen .... Are you buying this dikemaster!!?? :):) Alan in Houston 89' PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ahall77379@aol.com for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:54:11 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: Ever so slowly going to the dark side... To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 8/7/99 8:20:51 PM Central Daylight Time, RVPC800@aol.com writes: > their machines lack several square feet of chrome. Some things are best left unsaid! I'm heading for the doubting side, can the Dark Side be far away!? Alan in Houston 89' PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ahall77379@aol.com Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:06:38 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: Cause Unknown? To: Ahall77379@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rpattee@g-net.net by InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-12 #23426) 8 Aug 1999 01:15:34 EDT Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 05:19:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: PC800: "Cause of cycle crash still unknown" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Reply-to: rpattee@g-net.net Again..stating that we are commenting only on what was apparently released through the news media...speed, apparently, was determined as "not" a factor, as it (speed) in itself, did not cause the accident. Not legalize, but a summation from someone involved in the investigation (apparently ?). When an investigation states that speed was not one of the causes, it is suppose to mean that the accident was caused by other factors and speed did not play any part in the equation leading up to the accident; that if one removed the "speed", would the accident still have taken place? Again...all of the factors are looked at (or are suppose to), and there could possibly be a couple of them, that in combination, lead up to the accident. When we say that speed wasn't involved, it is suppose to mean that the accident would have happened, regardless of speed in excess, or sometimes under the posted limit, and that speed wasn't one of the contributing factors. - - - -=20 As a side note... Strange things happen....I investigated my current Captain's former wife's fatality accident, over 23 years ago in Arizona. He was a young Marine stationed in Okinawa, they were going through a divorce, his wife was a victim of a one car rollover. And here some 20 years later, in another state...he is now my Captain! =20 ------------------------- On Sun, 08 Aug 1999 00:20:44 -0400 (EDT), Alan wrote: >In a message dated 8/7/99 5:37:11 PM Central Daylight Time, = rich@pdnt.com=20 >writes: > >> 70 feet... Isn't that well over 50 yards... and the authorities say = that >> "speed wasn't a factor"... (*ahem*) See what we have to put up with= here >> in Illinois with regard to our "authorities"? > >If I may,I would say that "speed was not a factor" is simply a legalese = way=20 >of saying that the bike which hit the stopped bike in the middile of the= road=20 >was not traveling above the posted limit. t of f ? > >Alan in Houston 89' PC Roger.... I am not a complete idiot...some parts are missing. web page at: http://members.tripod.com/~Motordawg/index.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rpattee@g-net.net by SMTP00.InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-12 #23426) Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:19:02 EDT Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 05:23:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: PC800: "Cause of cycle crash still unknown" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Reply-to: rpattee@g-net.net On Sun, 08 Aug 1999 00:34:54 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >In a message dated 8/7/99 7:48:09 PM Central Daylight Time, = rpattee@g-net.net=20 >writes: > >> has ridden dirt bikes...think >> "highside". > > >This is usually a roadrace type of accident, and normally involves = cornering=20 >,intense acceleration, and tremendous grip from extreme quality tires.=20 > >a >Alan in Houston 89' PC ----------------------------------- Or hitting an object or curb, sometimes at an attitude of lean, caused by braking, or turning. =20 Roger.... I am not a complete idiot...some parts are missing. web page at: http://members.tripod.com/~Motordawg/index.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 22:54:33 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Francois Saint Laurent CC: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Oil in air filter housing Hi Francois, Francois Saint Laurent wrote: > When I removed the > stock filter, I noticed that the left side of the air filter housing > has an accumulation of oil in it. I assumed it has accumulated there > since I most often park on the side stand, but the bike has been on > the center stand for the last few hours and the oil is still only on > the left side. > > Has anyone else noticed this? I'm wondering what oil in this > location could be a symptom of. Perhaps too much oil was put in at > the last oil change? Or is this normal? It appears to be normal unless it is excessive. My PC has started to use more oil than it used to (was a quart per 8000; now a quart per 4000, it appears) so at the last service we were looking around to see if we could figure out where it was going. Found a small puddle on the left side of the air filter housing. It appears to be condensation from the crankcase breather which opens into the air filter housing and, therefore, a small amount should be "normal". -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 137,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 07:49:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: Test Driving On The Dark Side (LONG) "J. Nyffeler" writes: > P.S. I recently had the chance to ride a Buell S3T. Final thoughts: > "I have the right to remain silent....... You can't just leave us hanging with that one. I got a demo ride on a 1999 Thunderbolt at Mid-Ohio last month. It was greatly improved over the previous year's model. The exhaust no longer cooked my right leg, the seat was comfy (even for my wife), nothing poked portions of the body that shouldn't have been poked, the rear brake finally worked, and nothing fell off. Like many large EFI twins, it was a little hard to modulate in first gear because the throttle acted like an ON/OFF switch, but once going, the midrange power was awesome, amd the engine felt about as smooth as a PC, and slightly quieter. The HD Sportster engine is still a boneshaker at idle, of course. "Refined" still isn't an adjective I would apply to a Buell. Would I want to own one? Only if I was worth about 10 times what I am today. But for sheer fun, a Buell beats anything I've ever ridden, although my 11-year old HawkGT remains a very close second. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Selden Deemer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BMillman@aol.com for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:08:34 EDT Subject: PC800: A PC Weekend in Wales To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hi Coasters, I have just returned form a very enjoyable weekend in Wales, and yes we did get wet and yes we did see lots of sheep, but we all had a great time. The grand total at our lunch stop on Saturday in Abergavenny was 25 PC 800 all parked up in the bus station. What a site! We had all colours - a superb selection including one with a sidecar who had come from the Isle of Man. Riders had come from as far afield as Scotland, Yorkshire, Kent, London, Devon and Cornwall. Most of us travelled through rain on Friday and on our return today (Sunday) but luckily for our run out through the most beautiful Welsh countryside on Saturday it was very warm with lots of sunshine - what luck! The sight of over 20 PCs travelling in 'convoy' was a very memorable one and certainly surprised many of the locals. I have taken some photos, so if anyone wants me to 'attach' one or two, please let me know. And if anyone can put them on a website, then even better - then everyone can enjoy the very rare site. Regards to all (except EMile the traitor) and safe riding. (Only joking Emile - may all your ST journeys be wet ones!) Brian Millman Reading England 90PC 800 - The Palm Tree PC he sight of -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:16:01 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: Oil in air filter housing To: lcshepp@directcon.net, fsl@borgconsulting.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 8/8/99 12:06:39 AM Mountain Daylight Time, lcshepp@directcon.net writes: << It appears to be condensation from the crankcase breather which opens into the air filter housing and, therefore, a small amount should be "normal". >> Curse you Leland! He was all ready to sell me the bike for cheap! I will get you for this. May the next aerial buzzard droppings that you encounter happen during your biggest ever yawn. Russ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MJKasof@webtv.net (Madeleine Kasof) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 09:40:23 -0700 (PDT) To: bobbieb2@juno.com, Linda095@acninc.net, mamakass@juno.com, pkorn@yahoo.com, carol.nathanson@eudoramail.com, Emile@Cybercomm.nl, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, cp95016@glaxowellcome.com, LReiman801@aol.com, Arlene867@aol.com, vcvargas@aol.com, rmwcpa@ix.netcom.com, mjwhite@value.net Subject: PC800: Fwd: Do this; its a riot! --WebTV-Mail-17466-10140 --WebTV-Mail-17466-10140 postoffice-223.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 08:09:08 -0700 (PDT) mailsorter-101-3.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id IAA10548; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 08:09:06 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 11:08:25 -0400 From: "Linda M. 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Good luck from Linda -------- Original Message -------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: [Fwd: Fwd: Do this; its a riot!] Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 01:21:38 -0700 From: deasfree@acninc.net To: Carla burnette , Chioma ,george kapner ,Laurie mcgookin ,leslie hammer , linda duval ,linda flax ,Marie browne ,Marlene Mastercola ,patti deshong ,patti lynn & john o'shea --------------FF78E2BBB3C9E4606B1FCA2F name="nsmailDA.TMP" filename="nsmailDA.TMP" by hvmta02-stg.us.psimail.psi.net (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 21:09:18 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JMJarrach@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 21:08:46 EDT Subject: Fwd: Do this; its a riot! To: HyBox6@aol.com, GLBUCH@WORLDNET.ATT.NET, deasfree@acninc.net, HRVEPSTEIN@aol.com, joangl@injersey.com, KENNYSPALTHOFF@worldnet.att.net, JackMooK@aol.com, DEARIEDARL@aol.com, JKMatLeo@worldnet.att.net, Meyerdm@aol.com, DRob42@aol.com, jpwwelsh@fuse.net In a message dated 8/6/99 8:37:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JAYMARILYN writes: << - > >>>> > > Cheers! > >> > >>>> > > > This works. I don't know how...but it works, you have to > >>>> > > > send it (this) to no > >>>> > > > less than 11people. Somehow, from the return path > >>>> > > > generated, you'll > >>>> > > > receive...something, and it is funny!!!! > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > This is the coolest thing I've ever gotten! All you have to > >>>> > > > do is send it to 11 > >>>> > > > people and this little video comes up on your screen and > >>>> > > > shows the funniest > >>>> > > > clip. i can't tell you what it is but i was laughing so > >>>> > > > hard! > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > So spend a few seconds to send this and you'll be glad you >> Return-path: JAYMARILYN@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JAYMARILYN@aol.com Full-name: JAYMARILYN Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:37:51 EDT Subject: Do this; its a riot! To: Rratga@aol.com, GASH120@aol.com, DHBARRACK@aol.com, caroledon1@juno.com, Aalc34@aol.com, larrysf@worldnet.att.net, JoneC938@aol.com, JMJarrach@aol.com, Monsen836@aol.com, NACHUS4@aol.com, LMSCHAAB@JUNO.COM - > >>>> > > Cheers! > >> > >>>> > > > This works. I don't know how...but it works, you have to > >>>> > > > send it (this) to no > >>>> > > > less than 11people. Somehow, from the return path > >>>> > > > generated, you'll > >>>> > > > receive...something, and it is funny!!!! > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > This is the coolest thing I've ever gotten! All you have to > >>>> > > > do is send it to 11 > >>>> > > > people and this little video comes up on your screen and > >>>> > > > shows the funniest > >>>> > > > clip. i can't tell you what it is but i was laughing so > >>>> > > > hard! > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > So spend a few seconds to send this and you'll be glad you --------------FF78E2BBB3C9E4606B1FCA2F-- --WebTV-Mail-17466-10140-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Will Edwards" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: A PC Weekend in Wales Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:31:55 -0700 What a great sight to see. I came across this web site that allows you to post pictures for others to view. Take a look to see if you can use it to post the pictures. PhotoPoint http://www.photopoint.com/newacct.html Will Washington state 96 PC800 Focus your eyes to where you want to be, Not to where you are afraid of falling to... . . ----- Original Message ----- > anyone wants me to 'attach' one or two, please let me know. And if anyone can > put them on a website, then even better - then everyone can enjoy the very > rare site. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Will Edwards" To: "Madeleine Kasof" , , , , , , , , , , , , , Subject: Re: PC800: Fwd: Do this; its a riot! Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:33:46 -0700 What ever was there, can't open it Will Washington state 96 PC800 Focus your eyes to where you want to be, Not to where you are afraid of falling to... . . -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2.1b3); Sun, 8 Aug 1999 15:36:09 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 16:34:34 -0400 From: Jim Hart To: SPREADTHEM@aol.com CC: PC 800 List Subject: Re: PC800: RE: GIVI Case That's odd. Others on this list have reported that Givi has a red version which is very close to the Candy Red of the 1990s. Can someone clarify from actual experience? SPREADTHEM@aol.com wrote: > Listers, > I am considering the purchase of a GIVI top case E460. However, GIVI > does not make red that will match my 1990 PC, not even a color that is close > the current red is a candy red. My bike is like a metallic red burgundy. I > am wondering if any of you know which black would look the best? And > secondly would be easiest to paint should I buy Colorite paint and try and > take to a local body shop for repaint? > > Ward > 1990 PC800 > 23K Glory Red > Illinois > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:56:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Broeking Subject: PC800: Electrical Mods Pics To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu http://whitespider.aawsom.net/motorcycle.htm A few weeks ago, someone asked that I take pictures of my power plugs and electrical mod (located in the trunk strut channel area). The pics are up at the following website...look for the easy link./ As I stated in the past, The genius behind the install and design was Rich T, another PC rider in the local area. FYI. Bob === Bob Broeking http://whitespider.aawsom.net 98 Honda PC800...Daytona 99/99 SS1000/99 Cap1000 bob_broeking@yahoo.com Wash DC _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Test Driving On The Dark Side (LONG) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 00:14:04 +0200 >The biggest disappointment as the lack of space in the side cases, >and how poorly the hinges on the case were fit. (Very loose.) Final >thoughts on the ST: If I fit a taller windshield and bar backs on the ST, I >could ride merrily into the sunset. I enjoyed your test report Jim. Just a few remarks, because the way I'm reading it, you'd better start saving... The side cases fit a full size helmet, I tried it myself. They are about the same size as the PC trunk, they just look smaller because a lot of the volume is hidden behind the cases. I agree the trunk is a lot easier to load than those cases, except when they're off the bike... The hinges are not poorly fitted, believe it or not they are designed to flop around on purpose to increase stability. It really is a feature, allthough it looks weird to see them flop around on a bumpy road. But unlike the PC, it cuts high speed corners without wiggling it's behind.... The ST I just bought allready has the high screen I was looking for. Unlike the PC, the ST has a lot of alternative screens available, or at least in Europe. This one was the most quiet screen I've ever ridden with. >But at the asking price, I would have >to think long and hard before changing rides. Agreed. I didn't want to change except when finding a very good deal... I did..... >So what did I do? I climbed back on my PC and enjoyed a ride in the >country. I hope you enjoyed my observations. Thanks Jim, Emile '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" '92 ST ABS/TCS [V minus 5 days] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 19:27:33 -0500 From: Ralph Couey To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: Just had to write... Hey Gang! Got an e-mail from Israel early this morning stating that our two Brosh-tek jackets were on the way (8-10 day shipping). Will let you all know how we like them. This afternoon we jumped on our bikes and took off for a leisurely ride in the country. How leisurely? Try 96 miles in 3.5 hours. Of course we stopped a couple of times to jaw with some friends, but the day was partly cloudy, the temp in the low 80's with very low humidity. A rare day for a Missouri August. We rode over to Fulton to Westminster College and the Churchill Memorial (where he made the Iron Curtain speech). We tooled around town looking at some of the neat period homes then took the long route back to Columbia. When we got back, Cheryl was complaining that her butt wouldn't ever be the same, but it was a great ride on a great day. And I just had to tell you about it. --Ralph Couey Coolumbia, MO -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Desmond Cockburn" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Ever so slowly going to the dark side... Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 19:00:17 PDT Russ, Very well said! I would propose that you forgot one thing that True Believers are want to do. Trued Believers have been seen bowing in the direction of Hamamatsu as the place that our PC's call home. Des,PC #53 95 PC, Dream Weaver Okmulgee, Ok. "When reality looks too ugly, just fantasize. It can't hurt." Jimmy Buffett _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Desmond Cockburn" To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Pacific Coast Owners Group ? Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 19:21:10 PDT Hey gang, While riding around the quiet countryside contemplating the meaning of life I got to wondering, there is a Harley Owners Group, a Concours Owners Group, I think a BMW Owners Group and various other bike owners groups. Why no Pacific Coast Owners Group (PCOG)? Would the members of this list constitute a PCOG ? Would it be presumptuous of me to add "Member of Pacific Coast Owners Group" to my touring contact card ? Hummmmmmmmm, opinions anyone ? Des,PC #53 95 PC, Dream Weaver Okmulgee, Ok. "When reality looks too ugly, just fantasize. It can't hurt." Jimmy Buffett _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "R. Fenwick" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Pacific Coast Owners Group ? Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 21:53:23 -0500 Pacific Coast Owners Group... What a splendid idea! Count me in... So, who is gonna head this up? :-) Rich Fenwick -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Desmond Cockburn To: Date: Sunday, August 08, 1999 9:22 PM Subject: PC800: Pacific Coast Owners Group ? >Hey gang, > >While riding around the quiet countryside contemplating the meaning of life >I got to wondering, there is a Harley Owners Group, a Concours Owners Group, >I think a BMW Owners Group and various other bike owners groups. Why no >Pacific Coast Owners Group (PCOG)? Would the members of this list >constitute a PCOG ? Would it be presumptuous of me to add "Member of >Pacific Coast Owners Group" to my touring contact card ? > >Hummmmmmmmm, opinions anyone ? > >Des,PC #53 >95 PC, Dream Weaver >Okmulgee, Ok. >"When reality looks too ugly, just fantasize. >It can't hurt." Jimmy Buffett > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "R. Fenwick" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Just had to write... Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:01:00 -0500 >How leisurely? Try 96 miles in 3.5 hours. Sorry Ralph, but Laurie and I beat that today. We left her house at 2:30pm, returned back shortly after 7:00pm, yet only rode 87 miles. We are "house hunting" together. She's going to sell hers, I'm going to sell mine, and we're going have one custom built "together". We looked at houses all afternoon long, looking at styles, color combinations, sizes (it must be over 2,000 square feet living area she says... if she wants one that big, that's fine... she'll clean it then...) It was a splendid day for riding in the midwest today, wasn't it! :-) Rich Fenwick -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ralph Couey To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sunday, August 08, 1999 7:29 PM Subject: PC800: Just had to write... > >Hey Gang! > >Got an e-mail from Israel early this morning stating that our two >Brosh-tek jackets were on the way (8-10 day shipping). Will let you all >know how we like them. > >This afternoon we jumped on our bikes and took off for a leisurely ride >in the country. How leisurely? Try 96 miles in 3.5 hours. Of course >we stopped a couple of times to jaw with some friends, but the day was >partly cloudy, the temp in the low 80's with very low humidity. A rare >day for a Missouri August. We rode over to Fulton to Westminster >College and the Churchill Memorial (where he made the Iron Curtain >speech). We tooled around town looking at some of the neat period homes >then took the long route back to Columbia. When we got back, Cheryl was >complaining that her butt wouldn't ever be the same, but it was a great >ride on a great day. > >And I just had to tell you about it. > >--Ralph Couey >Coolumbia, MO >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 00:28:16 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jim Alexander" To: "Desmond Cockburn" , Subject: Re: PC800: Pacific Coast Owners Group ? Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 21:27:38 -0700 If you were to compare it to the BMW Owners group, you would be talking about either the Honda Sport Touring Association or the Honda Riders Club. Since the BMWMOA does have sponsorship from BMW, then it would be the latter. As a 10 year member of the Honda Sport Touring Association, I can tell you that you will never meet a better bunch of motorcycle enthusiasts. True they do not all ride PCs or STs or VFRs or even Hondas for that matter. The one thing that does remain is the friendships. If you don't own a BMW you cannot join BMWMOA as a full member. You can be an associate member though when sponsored by a BMW owner. I am not sure if you can continue to be a member after you no longer own a BMW or if you have to switch to an associate member. One thing to remember about specific model clubs is that it is not comfortable for you friends to come on a ride as part of a group. That is the strength of the HSTA, there are so many different types of bikes (even Harleys!) that no one feels uncomfortable. I realize that your question was not really why isn't one created and you may want to do that. It was attempted about 5 years ago but it did not continue as both of the founders quit riding PCs. I was California State director of the HSTA when there was talk of forming an ST owners club and it does exists as a virtual club without any membership dues. It only requires that you decide you want to join. We started just doing an electronic mailing list / newsletter and it evolved into the ST1100 list that anyone can subscribe to just like this PC list. If people on this list are interested, that would be my recommendation. Make it a virtual club you join by subscribing to this list (or something as simple as that) or perhaps go to the web site and sign up. But be careful not to exclude people because nothing cause degeneration faster than telling people that their friends are "not welcome" because they don't have the correct ride. Just my .02 from a former PC owner. Jim Alexander Concord, CA '98 ST1100 STar Chaser HSTA #2307SU AMA #415932 STOC #009 -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Desmond Cockburn To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sunday, August 08, 1999 7:22 PM Subject: PC800: Pacific Coast Owners Group ? > >Hey gang, > >While riding around the quiet countryside contemplating the meaning of life >I got to wondering, there is a Harley Owners Group, a Concours Owners Group, >I think a BMW Owners Group and various other bike owners groups. Why no >Pacific Coast Owners Group (PCOG)? Would the members of this list >constitute a PCOG ? Would it be presumptuous of me to add "Member of >Pacific Coast Owners Group" to my touring contact card ? > >Hummmmmmmmm, opinions anyone ? > >Des,PC #53 >95 PC, Dream Weaver >Okmulgee, Ok. >"When reality looks too ugly, just fantasize. >It can't hurt." Jimmy Buffett > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 00:18:59 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Pacific Coast Owners CC: "Ann S. Reid" Subject: PC800: PC gathering report Hi Coasters, There was a gathering of PCs today in Cordelia, CA. The Y2K-1 riders-1 gathered for breakfast/brunch at Denny's in Cordelia. Joel Kasof, Peter Noeth, Tom Humphrey, Joyce Calvert and myself were all there on our PCs. Jim Alexander and his wife Bene (ST1100) and a friend of Jim's and his wife (Bob and Nancy - BMW 1100R/T) also joined us. Jim got pictures with all our cameras of the PCers on their mounts. We spent a good deal of time ogling each other's PCs and all the fine stuff people had added/modified on their machines. I think a good time was had by all. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 137,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 05:54:33 -0500 From: Ralph Couey To: "R. Fenwick" , "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: Just had to write... Rich, It doesn't get any better. Late September weather without the rutting deer! --Ralph "R. Fenwick" wrote: > > >How leisurely? Try 96 miles in 3.5 hours. > > Sorry Ralph, but Laurie and I beat that today. We left her house at 2:30pm, > returned back shortly after 7:00pm, yet only rode 87 miles. > > We are "house hunting" together. She's going to sell hers, I'm going to > sell mine, and we're going have one custom built "together". We looked at > houses all afternoon long, looking at styles, color combinations, sizes (it > must be over 2,000 square feet living area she says... if she wants one that > big, that's fine... she'll clean it then...) > > It was a splendid day for riding in the midwest today, wasn't it! :-) > > Rich Fenwick > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ralph Couey > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Date: Sunday, August 08, 1999 7:29 PM > Subject: PC800: Just had to write... > > > > >Hey Gang! > > > >Got an e-mail from Israel early this morning stating that our two > >Brosh-tek jackets were on the way (8-10 day shipping). Will let you all > >know how we like them. > > > >This afternoon we jumped on our bikes and took off for a leisurely ride > >in the country. How leisurely? Try 96 miles in 3.5 hours. Of course > >we stopped a couple of times to jaw with some friends, but the day was > >partly cloudy, the temp in the low 80's with very low humidity. A rare > >day for a Missouri August. We rode over to Fulton to Westminster > >College and the Churchill Memorial (where he made the Iron Curtain > >speech). We tooled around town looking at some of the neat period homes > >then took the long route back to Columbia. When we got back, Cheryl was > >complaining that her butt wouldn't ever be the same, but it was a great > >ride on a great day. > > > >And I just had to tell you about it. > > > >--Ralph Couey > >Coolumbia, MO > >-- > >Visit the PC800 web page at > >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 07:52:17 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Pacific Coast Owners Group ? To: desmond_cockburn@hotmail.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) On my contact card, which some of you here have gotten, I have printed on the back the instructions for signing onto the pc800 list and the web site address. Tim Davies "Yankee Smuggler" '98 Pacific Coast Seneca Falls, NY desmond_cockburn@hotmail.com,Internet writes: >Hey gang, > >While riding around the quiet countryside contemplating the >meaning of life >I got to wondering, there is a Harley Owners Group, a Concours >Owners Group, >I think a BMW Owners Group and various other bike owners groups. >Why no >Pacific Coast Owners Group (PCOG)? Would the members of this list >constitute a PCOG ? Would it be presumptuous of me to add "Member >of >Pacific Coast Owners Group" to my touring contact card ? > >Hummmmmmmmm, opinions anyone ? > >Des,PC #53 >95 PC, Dream Weaver >Okmulgee, Ok. >"When reality looks too ugly, just fantasize. >It can't hurt." Jimmy Buffett -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Leonard (Lou) Berkley" To: "Desmond Cockburn" , Subject: Re: PC800: Pacific Coast Owners Group ? Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:28:13 -0400 > While riding around the quiet countryside contemplating the meaning of life > I got to wondering, there is a Harley Owners Group, a Concours Owners Group, > I think a BMW Owners Group and various other bike owners groups. Why no > Pacific Coast Owners Group (PCOG)? Would the members of this list > constitute a PCOG ? Would it be presumptuous of me to add "Member of > Pacific Coast Owners Group" to my touring contact card ? I don't see why not. I was for years a member of STOC (ST owners Club) which existed only on the internet, had no meetings etc. So form your own group and they will come. By the way I see from your sig that you are also a Parrot Head. Long Live JB Leonard ( Lou) Berkley lberk@zoomnet.net PC 800, CB750, HSTA, HRC,AMA Life, STOC 110 "The weather is here, I wish you were Beautiful" Jimmy Buffett -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KGray96057@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:40:51 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: Post crash test drive To: bmwk75@earthlink.net CC: PC800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 8/6/99 6:40:09 AM Central Daylight Time, bmwk75@earthlink.net writes: << Ken, Cheer up, mate. You could have been on the bike when this happened and in that case, crunched tupperware would have been the least of your worries. Been down, done that, didn't like it one bit. --Ralph >> Good point. Rode an 82 Yamaha Seca 750 into the pavement once, attempting to clear a Ford Thunderbird who seemed hell bent on killing me. ( He left me no choice but to attemtp to hop the curb. I was not at all successful.) The thing is.. As much as I loved the Seca- and the other bike's I've played with- there's something about the PC.. (Or possibly the older me) that makes even the lightest damage hard to bear.. I needed that blast of perspective.... And I thank you for it. Ken Gray Pc800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:40:00 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: PC800: owners with no repairs, please report! Hello! The PC800 repair database is coming along VERY well, you can visit it at http://noc.dal.ca/~daniel/pc-maint/ The next big chunk of data to add is info for owners who have had NO repairs, so that our data isn't skewed to look like ALL PCs need repairs which we know they don't. So - people with no repairs who aren't in the database, please write back! All I need to know is: - Year of bike - approximately when you bought it and how many miles/kilometers on the odo, you can include the price if you like. - Approximate miles/km on the odo now - Any comments you might care to make. Just send private mail to me, don't copy to the list. Thanks guys! All the best, and thanks! -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:40:20 -0300 To: PC 800 From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: "sciatic" Nerve Question? At 21:30 4/8/99, Ralph Couey wrote: >The only problem I've had is cramping in the hip flexor muscle. Heheh this has nothing to do with the sciatic nerve or sciatica, but it is a common motorcycle complaint. This page: http://www.grad.ttuhsc.edu/courses/histo/notes/pelperi.html says it's the "piriformis muscle". If you do a search on this muscle's name, you'll find lots of references to "Piriformis Syndrome". Here's one with a good description of the stretching exercise, and a picture: http://www.webgate.net/~welchiro/inj-piri.html All the best, your faithful Internet cybrarian. -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 12:51:03 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: rpattee@g-net.net CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: "Cause of cycle crash still unknown" May I recommend the following on highsiding (coming from a possible personal experience, I say possible, because it was kind of a blur). http://home.earthlink.net/~eca/TIP001.html http://home.earthlink.net/~eca/TIP026.html Thomas -- 93 SE 95 Hannigan 97 Pacific Coast 98 V-Star Classic (Black Cherry over Crimson) GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta rpattee@g-net.net wrote: > > On Sun, 08 Aug 1999 00:34:54 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: > > >In a message dated 8/7/99 7:48:09 PM Central Daylight Time, rpattee@g-net.net > >writes: > > > >> has ridden dirt bikes...think > >> "highside". > > > > > >This is usually a roadrace type of accident, and normally involves cornering > >,intense acceleration, and tremendous grip from extreme quality tires. > > > >a > >Alan in Houston 89' PC > ----------------------------------- > Or hitting an object or curb, sometimes at an attitude of lean, caused > by braking, or turning. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 09:24:07 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: RVPC800@aol.com CC: fsl@borgconsulting.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Oil in air filter housing Dear Russell (not Russ, you notice... grin), RVPC800@aol.com wrote: > Curse you Leland! > He was all ready to sell me the bike for cheap! I will get you for this. May > the next aerial buzzard droppings that you encounter happen during your > biggest ever yawn. Thank you so much, he mutters through sealed lips with his head down... (grin) -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 137,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 09:34:43 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: "Steven R. Zweigart" CC: "'PC800 Mailing List'" , Selden Deemer Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Squeaky Brakes Hi Steve, Steven R. Zweigart wrote: > As long as the situation is not dangerous, the noise is not all that > annoying. And it's not always even there. (I haven't figured out the > pattern or occurrence, yet.) My biggest (irrational?) fear is that if they > squeak, there might be a "grabby" spot that would cause a lock-up before it > would on non-squeakers. I've never had one grab because of squealing; I think it's unlikely. > Got me thinking, though...can the disks on a motorcycle warp like those on > an auto? Don't see why they wouldn't. THAT would be a dangerous situation. > Probably possible but highly unlikely. I would expect that heat would be what would cause the warpage so unless you lock yours on and attempt to drive for miles with them that way, I wouldn't expect a problem. I replaced my front pads at about 132000 miles (I use the engine more than the brakes as a braking device). They had squealed occasionally but usually not for long. It may be the kind of thing that Selden describes or it may be dirt or some such thing. In any case, it usually disappeared quickly. FWIW... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 137,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 09:44:56 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: PC800: Dutch bumper sticker Emile, Had a car pass me on the highway today that had an "NL" tag on the back and a bumper sticker that read, "If it ain't Dutch, it ain't much." Thought you'd get a kick out of that. I know I did. (big grin) -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 137,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 09:49:44 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: RVPC800@aol.com CC: rodneycarey@juno.com, emile@cybercomm.nl, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Ever so slowly going to the dark side... Hi Russ, RVPC800@aol.com wrote: > Go to the DARK side Ron......... > It is but a pity to lose another to the Dark side. But those that we lose are > not and never have been True Believers anyway. True Believers do not care > that their motorcycle is not the fastest in the land, for We believe that snip... That was truely masterful. Now I'm really sorry I screwed up your plan to get Francois' PC. It was so good, in fact, that I'm printing a copy to carry with me and I'm saving it for future forwards to those whose faith has been shaken... or some such thing. (grin) It really was great! -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 137,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 10:03:36 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: BMillman@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: A PC Weekend in Wales Hi Brian, BMillman@aol.com wrote: > The grand total at our lunch stop on Saturday in Abergavenny was 25 PC 800 > all parked up in the bus station. What a site! We had all colours - a superb > selection including one with a sidecar who had come from the Isle of Man. What a great sight that must have been! Why don't you send one or two of the group photos to Neill at the PC800 web site and ask if he will post them. I would be happy to add them to my Y2K ride site ("other PC gatherings" or some such thing) but I am almost out of space. If you can't get a response from Neill (he has never responded to my requests to add a link to the Y2K site on his site), please send them to me. I will hang onto them until such time as I can figure something out for attaching them to my site. Glad you had a great time! -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 137,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 10:17:24 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Desmond Cockburn CC: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Pacific Coast Owners Group ? Hi Des, Desmond Cockburn wrote: > While riding around the quiet countryside contemplating the meaning of life > I got to wondering, there is a Harley Owners Group, a Concours Owners Group, > I think a BMW Owners Group and various other bike owners groups. Why no > Pacific Coast Owners Group (PCOG)? Would the members of this list > constitute a PCOG ? Would it be presumptuous of me to add "Member of > Pacific Coast Owners Group" to my touring contact card ? My two cents is that we definitely qualify as PCOG. I looked around for PCOG and discovered that I are one... We all are one... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 137,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 09:56:59 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: "J. Nyffeler" CC: PC800 Group Subject: Re: PC800: Test Driving On The Dark Side (LONG) Hi Jim, J. Nyffeler wrote: > The following are my observations of the following motorcycles. They are my > humble opinions and are not offered to offend anyone's choice of motorcycle! > > Well with all the "to do" about rating touring bike on deja.com. I took the > morning to ride my PC down to the local dealer. Yes I did flirt with the > dark side. I had the opportunity to ride 3 different bikes. A BMW R1100RT, > a Kawasaki Concours, and a Honda ST1100. snip... Thanks for posting your thoughts. Those are all of the bikes that I have thought about if and when I can no longer get PCs or PC parts. > So what did I do? I climbed back on my PC and enjoyed a ride in the > country. I hope you enjoyed my observations. > I did. Thanks for doing it. > P.S. I recently had the chance to ride a Buell S3T . Final thoughts: "I > have the right to remain silent....... > Love it! (big grin) -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 137,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 10:20:14 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: PC800: PCOG Hi Coasters, I like Jim's idea of a virtual group. Jason, how about adding "Home of the Pacific Coast Owner's Group - PCOG" to the blurb you already put at the bottom of each message? Reactions, anyone? -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 137,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 09:29:50 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Steve Zweigart CC: Pacific Coast List Subject: Re: PC800: Squeaky Brakes Hi Steve, Steve Zweigart wrote: > What would cause front brakes to squeak? They're smooth, and braking power > feels good, but tend to lightly squeal, especially when breaking easily but > frequently, like in town. Anyone else have this happen? > A little dirt can cause this. Most anything. It will probably eventually disappear. > While the bike was in the shop from hell over the past two weeks, the > mechanics were instructed to examine the brakes, and replace anything in > need of replacement (Carte Blanche to gouge), but apparently they didn't see > a need to replace anything. Then again, how can I be sure they even looked? > All they would normally look for is wear on the pads, lack of brake fluid on parts, etc. If the pads aren't worn too far, they are probably OK. With a small light, my mechanic can see the pad wear from the outside; no need to disassemble anything. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 137,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Will Edwards" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Electrical Mods Pics Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:32:59 -0700 That's a good ideal. The location in the trunk is where I carry two emergency flares (on either side of the strut), but I think it would all still fit. Will Washington state 96 PC800 Focus your eyes to where you want to be, Not to where you are afraid of falling to... . . ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bob Broeking To: Sent: Sunday, August 08, 1999 1:56 PM Subject: PC800: Electrical Mods Pics > http://whitespider.aawsom.net/motorcycle.htm > > A few weeks ago, someone asked that I take pictures of my power plugs and electrical mod (located > in the trunk strut channel area). The pics are up at the following website...look for the easy > link./ As I stated in the past, The genius behind the install and design was Rich T, another PC > rider in the local area. FYI. Bob > === > Bob Broeking http://whitespider.aawsom.net > 98 Honda PC800...Daytona 99/99 SS1000/99 Cap1000 > bob_broeking@yahoo.com Wash DC > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Desmond Cockburn" To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Pacific Coast Owners Group ?/ Part Two. Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 10:40:26 PDT Leland wrote: I looked around for PCOG and discovered that I are one... We all are one... Hey PC Gang, Rich, Jim and Tim, This is about what I had in mind. A very informal, just like we have here, gang of PC addicts who could promote this mailing list as well as the number of used and still new PC's around the country. I liked the idea of including this mailing list address to the contact card and will do the same to mine. I don't see as a PCOG would have to be sanctioned by anyone, need company sponsorship or anything else. As for rides and gatherings, we all live so far apart that, unfortunantly, this doesn't happen very often and, I for one, don't really care what the guy behind or ahead of me rides. So, from this day forth, I intend to place PCOG #53 on my contact cards and will consider myself a member of the Pacific Coast Owners Group, proudly riding one of the best bikes Honda ever produced. Des,PCOG #53 95 PC, Dream Weaver Okmulgee, Ok. "When reality looks too ugly, just fantasize. It can't hurt." Jimmy Buffett _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Will Edwards" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: "Cause of cycle crash still unknown" Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:16:29 -0700 When we went to police motorcycle training school, one of the things we had to practice was locking the brakes up and putting the bike down at speed, and learning to step onto the top side to ride it out. After doing it a few times, it isn't too bad. Of course, it wasn't our bikes we were laying down (tax payers). Will Washington state 96 PC800 Focus your eyes to where you want to be, Not to where you are afraid of falling to... . . ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Thomas Ongstad To: Cc: Sent: Monday, August 09, 1999 9:51 AM Subject: Re: PC800: "Cause of cycle crash still unknown" > May I recommend the following on highsiding (coming from a possible > personal experience, I say possible, because it was kind of a blur). > > http://home.earthlink.net/~eca/TIP001.html > > http://home.earthlink.net/~eca/TIP026.html > > > > Thomas > -- > 93 SE > 95 Hannigan > > 97 Pacific Coast > 98 V-Star Classic (Black Cherry over Crimson) > GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta > > > > rpattee@g-net.net wrote: > > > > On Sun, 08 Aug 1999 00:34:54 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: > > > > >In a message dated 8/7/99 7:48:09 PM Central Daylight Time, rpattee@g-net.net > > >writes: > > > > > >> has ridden dirt bikes...think > > >> "highside". > > > > > > > > >This is usually a roadrace type of accident, and normally involves cornering > > >,intense acceleration, and tremendous grip from extreme quality tires. > > > > > >a > > >Alan in Houston 89' PC > > ----------------------------------- > > Or hitting an object or curb, sometimes at an attitude of lean, caused > > by braking, or turning. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 14:57:26 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: "Leland C. Sheppard" CC: "Steven R. Zweigart" , "'PC800 Mailing List'" , Selden Deemer Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Squeaky Brakes Leland C. Sheppard wrote: > Steven R. Zweigart wrote: > > Got me thinking, though...can the disks on a motorcycle warp like those on > > an auto? Don't see why they wouldn't. THAT would be a dangerous situation. > > > > Probably possible but highly unlikely. I would expect that heat would be what > would cause the warpage so unless you lock yours on and attempt to drive for > miles with them that way, I wouldn't expect a problem. > I replaced my front pads at about 132000 miles (I use the engine more than the > brakes as a braking device). They had squealed occasionally but usually not for > long. It may be the kind of thing that Selden describes or it may be dirt or > some such thing. In any case, it usually disappeared quickly. FWIW, I did have a badly warped disk on the front of the Wing, not long after buying it. Don't remember if it was there at the beginning or just got worse and worse, but it was replaced under the original warranty, probably under the 2nd year of the warranty. Although very disconcerting, it wasn't really dangerous. Probably the most dangerous part of it was that when it was at its worse, I did not want to use the front brake and didn't, lessoning my response time in an emergency for sure. Point? Maybe something isn't inherently dangerous in itself, but the way it affects us, can raise our risk of danger to ourselves. Thomas -- 93 SE 95 Hannigan 97 Pacific Coast 98 V-Star Classic (Black Cherry over Crimson) GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Delivered-To: fixup-pc800@hpc.uh.edu@fixme by phnxpop1.phnx.uswest.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 19:55:10 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 12:54:21 -0700 From: Bob Coffman To: Neill Thompson CC: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: Riding with a "Hog" --------------CD9C95E5D7B4D4FAB81D93E6 Hi Gang, We went for a ride early Sunday a.m., 5:30 to be exact. You see, it's our winter out here in Arizona, our riding weather is coming. A friend who rides an ST 1100 had just gotten his new Corbin seat and wanted to give it a try. We outlined a little 300 mile ride which would get us back by noon-1pm lunch time. A fellow worker of the ST 1100 guy wanted to come along on his Harley! OK. He was putting on his windscreen and changing oil on Saturday in order to be ready to ride. I was riding my K75RT, my PC wasn't available, and met the two other riders at 5:30 sharp. We asked the Harley guy to lead, after informing him he was the X factor! He looked slightly insulted, and with his red hair and 330 lb frame asked what we meant. I explained that me and ST 1100 rode together often, and wanted him to set a comfortable pace. That seemed OK with him and off we went. Up the Black Canyon Highway (I-17) towards Cottonwood, Jerome and the mountains we sped at 85-90 mph!! Wew! Here's a low rider with straight pipes and a hanky headed, goggled chunk of a man flying up the pre-dawn roadway, being chased by a Honda and a BMW. We arrived in the 'old town' section of Cottonwood in no time at all, and the harley pulled over to the side of the road pointing at his engine. He sez "hear that"? I say no, all I can hear is the incredibly loud exhaust..and ST 1100 can't hear it. He cuts the ignition and grabs each exhaust pipe with a gloved hand, and tries to shake each pipe on this 1340cc ear splitter! There it is! The engine has managed to shake both of the exhaust flange bolts off of the rear of his Vance and Hines head pipe. It's 7:15am on a Sunday in an up-country Az town. We go to Wal-Mart, (open 24 hrs), and he buys a tool kit (SAE), and some nuts. Wrong thread. We wait till 8 am and go to AutoZone and buy the right thread. After an hour of trying to thread a washer and nut on a hot cylinder head, we got it. At breakfast, H-D said we didn't have to stay and help, but we said we never thought of doing anything else. We agreed to ride with you, and we stay til it's done. He said, also, that he'd never live this down. We said, " Whadya mean, that thing about Harley guys always needing to tightening the nuts and bolts after every ride?" Not us, we wouldn't think of riding him with that theme, looking across the table at this red-headed, red faced, 300+ lb embarrased hanky headed mound of a man, now with a grease stain on the knee of his jeans from the impromptu mechanicaning. The rest of the ride when pretty well as we crossed the 7000+ foot pass of Mingu Mtn., on our way to Prescott. At the court house in the town square, we parked and stood in the shade as we watched the town come alive. We saw an ice cream shop across the square and wanted to indulge. Red said no, he couldn't afford to leave his bike unattended. I offered my disc brake lock, but pulled one out of his pocket, saying it still wouldn't protect it from pawing. OK. We offered to bring something back for him, but he refused. >From there we discussed going to the west further, to enjoy some twistys, but Red was done. He did agree to the Yarnell Hill, Wickenburg way home, and kept a good pace through the mountains. Gassing up every 100 miles was a little over kill for ST 1100 (7+ gals), and the Beemer (5+ gals) at 45 mpg, but what the heck. We were home by 2:30 having done 300 miles, had breakfast, an ice cream, and at the last gas stop, a Gatorade, and oh, fixing a Hog!! I guess if I had the courage, I'd a said 'put some mufflers on it and torque your nuts instead of changing your oil before we ride again'. Bob --------------CD9C95E5D7B4D4FAB81D93E6 Content-Description: Card for Bob Coffman begin: vcard fn: Bob Coffman n: ;Bob Coffman email;internet: bcoffman@phnx.uswest.net note: '89 PC 800 & '94 BMW K75 RTA x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------CD9C95E5D7B4D4FAB81D93E6-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Desmond Cockburn" To: forum.swarthmore.edu@erols.com Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Pacific Coast Owners Group ? Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 13:29:21 PDT E.Y. Murphy asked: >what happens when all the PC's retire? >Honda has dis'ed the line E.Y. There are bunches and bunches of 89's still in service 10 years after introduction. In another 10 years there will be bunches of 98's still in service, at the least. I don't forsee that to be a problem for years to come. Happy trails, Des,PCOG #53 95 PC, Dream Weaver Okmulgee, Ok. "When reality looks too ugly, just fantasize. It can't hurt." Jimmy Buffett _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Steve_Steinsapir@taxfin.adp.com via smtpd (for chi6-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.98]) with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 23:31:15 UT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:40:34 -0700 Subject: Re: PC800: Pacific Coast Owners Group ? I'm one of those 89's in service. This is my first bike. Bike has almost 22k, I have only about 300 or 400 miles total. I rode the bike to work every day last week - first full week. My gas mileage is around 41-42 mpg. I think that this is a wonderful bike. As a first bike, it is not too large - and fortunatly, not too small. It is very forgiving and I love the looks that it gets when it is parked. I don't think that a ten year old savage or intruder would get a second glance. I have had people lean in and get a closer look. Steve Steinsapir '89 PC800 - currently unnamed "Desmond Cockburn" on 08/09/99 01:29:21 PM ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: forum.swarthmore.edu@erols.com cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu (bcc: Steven Steinsapir/Data Security/Operations/SanDimas) Fax to: Subject: Re: PC800: Pacific Coast Owners Group ? E.Y. Murphy asked: >what happens when all the PC's retire? >Honda has dis'ed the line E.Y. There are bunches and bunches of 89's still in service 10 years after introduction. In another 10 years there will be bunches of 98's still in service, at the least. I don't forsee that to be a problem for years to come. Happy trails, Des,PCOG #53 95 PC, Dream Weaver Okmulgee, Ok. "When reality looks too ugly, just fantasize. It can't hurt." Jimmy Buffett _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 13:12:14 -0800 From: jgoula To: PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: "Cause of cycle crash still unknown" Bruce Jackson wrote: > Speaking of helmets, this is an interesting case for "ridin' bare"... > > http://www.forbes.com/fyi/99/0503/041.htm Let me begin by saying that I fully support your right to chose to wear a helmet (or not). I also heartily recommend that you _do_ wear one. That being said, I think the above article contains so many holes, the thing would sink in a puddle. IMHO, YMMV, etc. etc. -- Juan Antonio Goula Fairbanks, Alaska Lat.: 64.85°N, Long.: 147.72°W "There is only one difference between a non-rider and me. I am not mad." (with apologies to Salvador Dalí) ------------------------------------------------- School of Fisheries and Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks (907)474-5520 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 13:38:03 -0800 From: jgoula To: PC800 , HSTA , "Estes, Cory S" , Jay Gulledge Subject: PC800: I think I've created a monster... Ok, so your significant other has an injured back, so riding her current cruiser-style bike is out of the question. The doctor sez "If you must ride, ride a standard-style bike, no cruisers, no crotch-rockets." Ok, so what is a guy to do? Why, you buy her a VMax, of course! Crystal has been drooling (or is it only guys that drool?) over a VMax for the past 3 years, so when we came across this bike it was hard to resist. 1997, Silver, with only 1,400 miles on it. It is obvious that the previous owner spent more time cleaning it than he did riding it, so it looks showroom new. Of course, I will have to keep it "exercised" for her during her recovery, we don't want any of its 118 horses to atrophy, do we? (snicker, snicker). Does anyone have the number for Nitrous Systems? I'm afraid I'll have to install a bottle on each side of the PC's trunk so I can keep up now :-) -- Juan Antonio Goula Fairbanks, Alaska Lat.: 64.85°N, Long.: 147.72°W "There is only one difference between a non-rider and me. I am not mad." (with apologies to Salvador Dalí) ------------------------------------------------- School of Fisheries and Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks (907)474-5520 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 17:54:37 -0500 From: Ralph Couey To: Daniel MacKay CC: PC 800 Subject: Re: PC800: "sciatic" Nerve Question? Daniel, Thanks for the info. If I'm going to blame the pain on something, at least I'll have the right culprit! --Ralph Couey Homo MO-bilis Daniel MacKay wrote: > > At 21:30 4/8/99, Ralph Couey wrote: > >The only problem I've had is cramping in the hip flexor muscle. > > Heheh this has nothing to do with the sciatic nerve or sciatica, but it is > a common motorcycle complaint. > > -- > Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca > Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 18:01:47 -0500 From: Ralph Couey To: "Leland C. Sheppard" CC: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Dutch bumper sticker I see these alot. Some of the classics: "If it ain't French, it's got a stench" "If it ain't German, it's gotta be wormin'" "If it ain't from Spain, it's only a stain" "If it ain't Canadian, it's due for grenadian" "If it ain't a Brit, it's a piece of..." well, you get the picture. Ralph Couey Kinda Screwy "Leland C. Sheppard" wrote: > > Emile, > > Had a car pass me on the highway today that had an "NL" tag on the back > and a bumper sticker that read, "If it ain't Dutch, it ain't much." > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rpattee@g-net.net by InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-12 #23426) 9 Aug 1999 21:07:18 EDT Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 01:11:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: PC800: "Cause of cycle crash still unknown" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Reply-to: rpattee@g-net.net <37AF06F7.6963@voyager.net> <006801bee293$4df19360$22527dce@rstar> LOL...Will and I are old 'motordawg's', and this brings back fond memories of Phoenix Arizona Police Department Motor Training... Ever watch "Laugh In"? Reminds me of motor training. The exercise that Will is referring to, is what we called a "ride out". The motor officer, rode out the slide. Impressive to see it demonstrated for the first time. Instructor cranked up an old harley, gleaned of everything except crash bars, raced to the other end of the Phoenix Greyhound Racing Park back parking lot (yup..our training grounds was a fenced off area of a huge parking lot), roared at us..laid it down, climbed onto of it..slid up to us, he gets off..stands with his hands on his hips, and boldly states; "Any questions people?" Instructor was Charlie Smith..he and my Parris Island DI are two people I will NEVER forget! Charlie has passed on now..but that man could do alot with a motor..and safely..amazing. He was the main PPD instructor, ever since Christ was a Corporal, I swear (a lonnnng time). And as always..someone has to be a smartmouth (remember who you are dealing with..cops)...just like the Cheech and Chong skit...voice from the back of the officers..standing there, mouths agape.. "You outa your F^&*%$# MIND?" Ironically, there were three officers in my Motor class (80 hours of in the parking lot..crashing and burning, in all sorts of maneuvers, and 40 hours on the streets with a FTO) who had never driven a motorcycle before a day in their lives...After the 80 hours in the parking lot, they were taken down to DMV, and their motorcycle endorsements were added after the testing. All three stayed with the program, and they passed the final Motor Officer test. Part of the final test, which I remember, was having to drive UP a ramp and onto an elevated pathway supported by 55 gal. drums, as well as a myriad of twists, turns, lane changes, full lock up turns within a parking spot, both left and right..scrapping the pads (pretty cool to due at night..however..tip..don't do a scrape in a parade, horse doodoo breaks your traction really quick like, from personal experience). But the ride out is for when you have to put it down, or you go down due to whatever (roadway debris, water, etc.)..and you aren't 'expecting' to hit anything. <--- Emphasis on this. IF you have to hit a car...pick a door to hit, not the pillars, or the front or rear, and hope there are no occupants behind said door. To this day...I have scars on my elbows and knees from that training. =46ull denim shirts and pants, pads at the elbows/knees were optional (you supplied your own, but they didn't last very long), shorty helmets, gloves (went through three pair)...hot asphalt pavement, over heated bikes, and a baking hot..August Arizona sun...ahhhh..what fun (it really was). My class started with 20 officers, we graduated 11. Sorry to carry on.. __________________________________________ On Mon, 09 Aug 1999 11:16:29 -0700, Will wrote: >When we went to police motorcycle training school, one of the things we = had >to practice was locking the brakes up and putting the bike down at = speed, >and learning to step onto the top side to ride it out. After doing it a= few >times, it isn't too bad. Of course, it wasn't our bikes we were laying = down >(tax payers). > >Will >Washington state >96 PC800 >Focus your eyes to where you want to be, >Not to where you are afraid of falling to... ---------------------------------------- Roger AMA# 721102 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*> Betrayed by the land that bore us, forsaken by the ones we hold dear. The good have all gone before us, and only=20 the evil are here. Stand to your glasses steady, the world is a world full=20 of lies. Here's to those that have gone before us, and here's to=20 the next man that dies. <*><*><*<*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*> my home on the web..not much, but it was fun to make. http://members.tripod.com/~Motordawg/index.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 21:35:15 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: Ever so slowly going to the dark side... To: lcshepp@directcon.net CC: rodneycarey@juno.com, emile@cybercomm.nl, pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 8/9/99 11:23:44 AM Mountain Daylight Time, lcshepp@directcon.net writes: << That was truely masterful. Now I'm really sorry I screwed up your plan to get Francois' PC. >> Why thanky, Leland. Thanky kindly. I will substitute a large pigeon in place of the buzzard in that curse. Oh, almost forgot- did you know that ALL PCs throw a rod once they hit 139 to 140 thousand miles? Yep. Every single one of them. Say- yours is getting mighty close to that number is it not? Tellyawhatimgonnado. Give ya 500 smackers for yours before it dies on you. How's that sound? Let me know before it is too late! Russ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 23:50:55 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Pacific Coast Owners , "Ann S. Reid" Subject: PC800: Pacific Coast Owners Group - PCOG Hi Coasters, I hereby submit to the membership of PCOG the following statement of the scope of the membership which I have taken the liberty to compose; to wit: The Pacific Coast Owners Group hereinafter known as PCOG (pronounced Pea Cog) shall be for the following groups of people: 1. Owners of Classic Newfangled Utilitarian Pacific Coast Motorcycles - OCNUPCM (pronounced Oh Can You Pick 'em) 2. Wannabe Owners of Honda Pacific Coast Motorcycles - WOHPCM (pronounced Whoa Pick 'em - don't ask) 3. Friends, Relatives and KIN of Pacific Coast Motorcycles - FRKINPCM (pronounced Frickin' Pick 'em) Your thoughts, comments, ridicule and general harrassment are invited. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 137,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:52:05 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: RVPC800@aol.com CC: rodneycarey@juno.com, emile@cybercomm.nl, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Ever so slowly going to the dark side... RVPC800@aol.com wrote: > Why thanky, Leland. Thanky kindly. I will substitute a large pigeon in place > of the buzzard in that curse. Oh, almost forgot- did you know that ALL PCs > throw a rod once they hit 139 to 140 thousand miles? Yep. Every single one of > them. Say- yours is getting mighty close to that number is it not? > Tellyawhatimgonnado. Give ya 500 smackers for yours before it dies on you. > How's that sound? Let me know before it is too late! Russell, me boy, ye are truly incorrigible! And here I am, incorriging you. Your offer is a kind one but I must confess that it has already thrown the rod and is lying quietly in the barn, waiting to be put out of its misery. Rather than burden you with it, I will just quietly bury it here. Resting in peace... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 137,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 04:27:23 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jim Alexander" To: "Leland C. Sheppard" , "Pacific Coast Owners" , "Ann S. Reid" Subject: Re: PC800: Pacific Coast Owners Group - PCOG Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 01:26:49 -0700 I think there is one missing .... Former Owners Of Pacific Coast Motorcycles But the "P" is silent FOOpCM - pronounced ....... Well you get the idea :-) -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Leland C. Sheppard Date: Monday, August 09, 1999 11:58 PM Subject: PC800: Pacific Coast Owners Group - PCOG > >Hi Coasters, > >I hereby submit to the membership of PCOG the following statement of the >scope of the membership which I have taken the liberty to compose; to >wit: > >The Pacific Coast Owners Group hereinafter known as PCOG (pronounced Pea >Cog) shall be for the following groups of people: > >1. Owners of Classic Newfangled Utilitarian Pacific Coast Motorcycles - >OCNUPCM (pronounced Oh Can You Pick 'em) > >2. Wannabe Owners of Honda Pacific Coast Motorcycles - WOHPCM >(pronounced Whoa Pick 'em - don't ask) > >3. Friends, Relatives and KIN of Pacific Coast Motorcycles - FRKINPCM >(pronounced Frickin' Pick 'em) > >Your thoughts, comments, ridicule and general harrassment are invited. > >-- >Leland >'94 Pacific Coast >"Black Beauty" >137,000 miles > >Mother of all tupperware parties: > http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html > > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "MTW" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: Pacific Coast Owners Group ? Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:48:52 -0400 -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Steve_Steinsapir@taxfin.adp.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Monday, August 09, 1999 4:38 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Pacific Coast Owners Group ? >This is my first bike. Bike has almost 22k, I have only about 300 or 400 miles >total. I rode the bike to work every day last week - first full week. My gas >mileage is around 41-42 mpg. > >I think that this is a wonderful bike. As a first bike, it is not too large - >and fortunatly, not too small. > >Steve Steinsapir >> > > > It's a great "LAST BIKE" too! Not that I'm quitting motorcycling, but after 5 bikes (6 if I include the ' 46 knuckelhead) and 250k miles, I can't see myself on anything else! Mike Whited ' 94 PC Columbus Ohio -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:06:09 -0300 To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: PC800: 2-Up With A Tenor (and poppin') Heya. I just spent the last week touring around my home provinces, Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island, on my beloved '96 with a heavy tenor as a passenger; together, with luggage, we were probably pushing 500 pounds/ 225kg. I didn't ever feel like the bike was underpowered, even up substantial hills and passing -- this is no surprise to me, I've driven the bike with heavy passengers before, but lots of people on the list do ask. One thing you can do EASILY with a heavy tenor on the back, is pop the front wheel from a stop. So I did that much to the amusement of passengers and fellow riders. I can pop the wheel from a stop with no passenger, but with 220# or so worth of operatic meat on the back seat it's easy to do a high and scary wheelie. -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Will Edwards" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: "Cause of cycle crash still unknown" Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 07:20:13 -0700 I was with Lynnwood PD, but we attended our motor training at either Bellevue PD or Seattle PD. I remember too well that first class, thinking of myself as a pretty good rider. Didn't take long to humble me. Ours too was 80 of the most tense, but fun hours of training I ever had. The instructors like to set up their weaving patterns using traffic cones & cement barrier strips up against a wall. There was a lot of dropped bikes. The first day there the instructor had us all in a circle with him in the middle on his police Harley. He was riding with the bars full cock, leaned over on the floorboards riding around in circle with his hands folded across his chest, making eye contact with each of us as he went around telling us what we would be doing that day. The signature I use on my emails originated from that class. Will Washington state 96 PC800 Focus your eyes to where you want to be, Not to where you are afraid of falling to... -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Will Edwards" To: "Leland C. Sheppard" , "Pacific Coast Owners" , "Ann S. Reid" Subject: Re: PC800: Pacific Coast Owners Group - PCOG Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 07:21:58 -0700 Sounds good to me, I second the motion. Will Washington state 96 PC800 Focus your eyes to where you want to be, Not to where you are afraid of falling to... . . ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Leland C. Sheppard Sent: Monday, August 09, 1999 8:50 PM Subject: PC800: Pacific Coast Owners Group - PCOG > Hi Coasters, > > I hereby submit to the membership of PCOG the following statement of the > scope of the membership which I have taken the liberty to compose; to > wit: > > The Pacific Coast Owners Group hereinafter known as PCOG (pronounced Pea > Cog) shall be for the following groups of people: > > 1. Owners of Classic Newfangled Utilitarian Pacific Coast Motorcycles - > OCNUPCM (pronounced Oh Can You Pick 'em) > > 2. Wannabe Owners of Honda Pacific Coast Motorcycles - WOHPCM > (pronounced Whoa Pick 'em - don't ask) > > 3. Friends, Relatives and KIN of Pacific Coast Motorcycles - FRKINPCM > (pronounced Frickin' Pick 'em) > > Your thoughts, comments, ridicule and general harrassment are invited. > > -- > Leland > '94 Pacific Coast > "Black Beauty" > 137,000 miles > > Mother of all tupperware parties: > http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m4.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EHNUGA99; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:27:51 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: lcshepp@directcon.net, JamesAlexander@csi.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Foo iPCOG - intergalactic Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:27:51 EDT Good Morning Fellow PCFers (PC Fanatics. Pron. P.C. Heifers), Cute idea, Leland, and nice ph-free-fix, Jim. *MILES of SMILES* Three Chinese cheers: Fooey, Fooey, Fooey. *THROAT GURGGLES* How about adding a little eye? iPCOG -- "i" for International or Intergalactic PC Owners Group. Wouldn't want anyone to miss out on a tecnicality! *Heh Heh* Say, maybe you should throw in a Double-U. ("W"annaBEE buzzzz) Or some Zzzzz's for Sleepers. Or... Ann Tue. 8.10.99 6:30 MST -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: Geo stuff (fun) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:36:43 +0200 Ken, you were looking for a mailing list for your Geo. I stumbled on this forwarded message which might come from the list you're looking for. That Geo sure is one hell of a machine... Enjoy, Emile -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Malcolm Tully @ August 10, 1999 12:19 AM >The following message is from Hot Wheels list that I am on. >I hope you enjoy it: > > I borrowed my wife's Geo Metro last night. One liter of raw power, 3 >cylinders of asphalt-tearing terror on thirteen-inch rims. It's stock, > alright, nothing done to it, but it pushes the barely 2000 pounds of >metro >around with AUTHORITY. I'm always catching mopeds and 18-wheelers by >surprise... > >I was headed back from Baskin Robbins with my manly triple-latte >cappuccino blast ("No Cinnamon, ma'am, I take it BLACK"), when I stopped >at a streetlight. > As the Metro throbbed its throaty idle around me, I sipped my bold >beverage and wiped the white froth my stiff upper lip. I was minding my >own business, but then I heard a rev from the next lane. I turned, made >eye contact, then let my eyes trace over the competition. > >Ford Festiva -- a late model, could be trouble. Low profile tires, curb >feelers, and schoolbus-yellow paint. Yep, a hot rod, for sure. >The howl of his motor snapped my reverie, and I looked back into the >driver's eyes, nodded, then blipped my own throttle. As I tugged on my >driving gloves and slipped on my sunglasses (gotta look cool to be fa