********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "tom.freed" To: Subject: PC800: PC Sound System Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 01:03:45 -0400 Importance: Normal Fellow PC Owners, I've been looking at automotive stereo cassette players for the PC, and of course need one with a remote control. I like the Sony product, but I think the remote looks wrong. The Clarion marine radios are great, though expensive, with a cool wired remote that could mount in the left fairing storage cover. But my thought is to try one with the infared credit card remote, I would use a piece of velcro to attach to the dash surface. They are very flat and would look almost OEM. The trick is to use a piece of fiber optic cable run along the frame to transmit the light back to the trunk, or take the remote apart and use 1 pair wire to move the infared led from the remote into the trunk. Any Thoughts! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 00:28:02 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: DaleDoty@aol.com CC: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Re: PC800 Electrical Problems UPDATE Hi Dale, DaleDoty@aol.com wrote: > I attempted to charge my PC battery and my charger automatically kicked off > repeatedly. Bad battery that won't hold a charge? I then jumped the bike > with my car and the PC turned over perfectly first time. As long as the bike > was attached to the car, no flicker of lights, no wild tach variations. The > moment I disconnect the auto battery I get the flicker and wild tach > variations. I reconnect the car battery and no problem. I allow the bike to > run for 15-20 minutes with the car battery attached. I again remove the auto > battery and the problems return. I turn the bike off with auto battery > disconnected and NOTHING, not even a tiny flicker from the lights. Dead > battery only? Does this eliminate other electrical problems? Could I still > have regulator or stator problems or other problems with these symptoms? I think the only way to be sure that it is NOT the battery would be to remove the battery from the PC, have it charged and then tested. If it tests OK, put it back in the bike. If the bike again fails, then I would look at the stator or, as my mechanic suggested, "the charging system" which would include the stator. Hope that helps... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 134,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. <000401bec37f$1b587f00$35342581@freedt.mcln.federal.unisys.com> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 08:20:41 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Betty Lise Anderson Subject: Re: PC800: PC Sound System {Tom Freed speculated about using a fiber optic system to couple the IR remote to a sounds system to a system in the trunk) Tom, This sounds like a cool idea. I have a little experience with fiber optics, and I think a large problem is going to be figuring out a way to get the light from the remote into the fiber. Most glass fiber for telecommunications has a very, very small core (the part where the light travels) and would require a serious lens (like a microscope objective lens; that's what we use in the lab) to get the light in. Also, the end of the fiber has to be cleaved., meaing cut such that is a flat, smooth end. If you just cut it or break it the end will be all jagged and the light will reflect off the jaggedness and not couple into the fiber. We have a technical term for this effect, it is called "pain in the neck." You need a special tool to cleave the fiber (which costs $400, but I'm not bitter), and to cleave it you need to remove the jacket and coating, which then leaves you with exposed glass the thickness of a human hair that is impossible to handle. However, since your distance is very short (just to the trunk, not to, say, Chicago), you could use plastic fiber, which is dirt cheap, fat, and you can melt the end with a match and get an end that is curved like a lens. My students occasionally make successful G-jobs with this technique. Edmund Scientific Company sells plastic fiber. However, you will still have the problem of having to fiureout out to very securely mount the fiber such that the alignment between it and the remote is very rigidily fixed (once you gett he alignment right). I suppose optical epoxy would work. If you try this, I would love to know how it comes out! >Fellow PC Owners, > >I've been looking at automotive stereo cassette players for the PC, and of >course need one with a remote control. I like the Sony product, but I think >the remote looks wrong. The Clarion marine radios are great, though >expensive, with a cool wired remote that could mount in the left fairing >storage cover. But my thought is to try one with the infared credit card >remote, I would use a piece of velcro to attach to the dash surface. They >are very flat and would look almost OEM. The trick is to use a piece of >fiber optic cable run along the frame to transmit the light back to the >trunk, or take the remote apart and use 1 pair wire to move the infared led >from the remote into the trunk. > >Any Thoughts! > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Betty Lise Anderson Dept. Of Electrical Engineering The Ohio State University 205 Dreese Lab 2015 Neil Avenue Columbus OH check out the cool zip code 43210 http://eewww.eng.ohio-state.edu/~anderson/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by saffron.neccsd.com (2.0 Build 2119 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id GAA03650 for ; Thu, 01 Jul 1999 06:33:19 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Sattin, Harvey" To: "'X PC 800 List'" Subject: PC800: Windshield dilemma Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 09:32:23 -0400 After a long high speed run on the interstate... I put a Clearview +3 windshield on my PC800. I must say, it's quiet! Much better than the stock shield with Saeng edging. I like the quiet, I don't like the "obstacle" that the screen has become. If I sit up straight, I look over it. If I sit up very, very straight I get the wind noise from above it. If I sit normally relaxed, I get the screen right across the middle of my field of view. If I sit very relaxed I look through the windshield only. Did I get the correct height? will I get used to visually having the screen at this height? What are your experiences? ~Harvey Sattin Brookline, MA '98 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 06:58:19 -0700 Subject: Re: PC800: Body Panels Needed From: "Chuck Wildman" To: Dale R Hurley CC: pc800 Mailing list I 'fixed' a number of broken panels (especially the crash guards) which had massive cracks in them from a motorcycle crash (it was a salvage bike when I bought it). I wasn't so concerned with looks as strength of joint after repair. Fiber glassing would be the best, but I don't know how, and didn't want to mess with it. I found and used something called "AUTOMOTIVE GOOP" which comes in a 3.75oz tube. It is an adhesive & sealant that is stronger than normal glues, dries clear, is waterproof, paintable, and remains somewhat soft after it dries. I applied it in multiple layers to the back of all the panels and let it dry 48 hours each time. I used a dremel and xacto knife to shape and clean up the edges. I found an ACE hardware stray paint (one black, one red) which match pretty close ($1.39 each) and touched up the outside of the panels. Looks OK --- not your show room bike, but for about $10 in paint/glue I have functionality. I commute on this bike daily, so function is most important. My show/fun bikes are my Yamaha Midnight Specials 8-) but the PC800 is fun to ride also. Only down side is this stuff really stinks (uses toulene & petroleum products) and needs to be used in a WELL ventilated area. The smell stays for about a week and sometimes longer....but it fixes problem areas. I used it to fill in a large section of missing rubber from one of the seat handles --- not pretty, but works well. If you paint over the goop, I would suggest that you apply a primer first or the paint may just peel off since this stuff dries smooth. Chuck > Mark > If anyone e-mails you the name of a good glue, don't forget to post it > here. My bike fell over in the garage. I can live with it but it would be nice to fix it somewhat.I was thinking of fiberglassing the back side. > Dale > > Mark & Lisa Hanley wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I'm the proud owner of a 90 PC with 1,800 miles. The problem is that >> when I was moving and trying to roll the bike up the ramp into the >> moving truck it fell over and cracked several body panels. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 09:50:06 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: "Sattin, Harvey" CC: "'X PC 800 List'" Subject: Re: PC800: Windshield dilemma Sattin, Harvey wrote: > > After a long high speed run on the interstate... > I put a Clearview +3 windshield on my PC800. > I must say, it's quiet! Much better than the stock shield with Saeng > edging. > I like the quiet, I don't like the "obstacle" that the screen has become. > If I sit up straight, I look over it. > If I sit up very, very straight I get the wind noise from above it. > If I sit normally relaxed, I get the screen right across the middle of my > field of view. > If I sit very relaxed I look through the windshield only. > Did I get the correct height? > will I get used to visually having the screen at this height? > What are your experiences? > > ~Harvey Sattin > Brookline, MA > '98 PC It has been my experience that you will get used to it and eventually will not notice it. I have the Clearview +5 and various shields on other bikes and after a short time on the road, I never notice the edges. Keep looking at other things, let you mind wander (like mine does continously), and waalaa, no more annoying edges. But then again, that just may be me. :-) TommyTeal -- 93 SE 95 Hannigan 95 ACE 97 Pacific Coast 98 V-Star Classic (Black Cherry over Crimson) GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 10:49:25 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Windshield dilemma To: h.sattin@neccsd.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) h.sattin@neccsd.com writes: >After a long high speed run on the interstate... >I put a Clearview +3 windshield on my PC800. >I must say, it's quiet! Much better than the stock shield with >Saeng >edging. >I like the quiet, I don't like the "obstacle" that the screen has >become. >If I sit up straight, I look over it. >If I sit up very, very straight I get the wind noise from above it. >If I sit normally relaxed, I get the screen right across the >middle of my >field of view. >If I sit very relaxed I look through the windshield only. >Did I get the correct height? >will I get used to visually having the screen at this height? >What are your experiences? > >~Harvey Sattin >Brookline, MA >'98 PC I also have the Clearview +3 and a Corbin seat which I guess makes my Clearview equivalent to a +4.5 on the stock Honda seat. I look over the shield and the wind hits the very top of my helmet causing noise, but that's OK because I have a Nolan N100 with a vent in the top and want the air to hit there. I'm about 6'1". I know what you mean about the edge coming across your line of vision and I could never get used to it so that's why I made sure this height would not be a problem. That is also the reason I don't like the Saeng Stealth edging. That heavy black border bothers me even though it doesn't cross my line of vision when I look in the distance, it's still there when I look at the road closer to my bike. Whether you get used to it or not will depend on you. The best thing to do would be to ask if anyone on the pc800 list has a taller Clearview, lives near you and would be willing to meet for a "trial run" with it. If I had one I'd be more than willing to take a trip to MA. Tim Davies- '98 Pacific Coast,"Yankee Smuggler" Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 09:38:58 -0800 From: jgoula To: PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: Windshield dilemma "Sattin, Harvey" wrote: > I like the quiet, I don't like the "obstacle" that the screen has become. > If I sit up straight, I look over it. I guess there IS something about what mom taught, eh? - "Sit up straight, young man!" Heh he heh.... -- Juan Antonio Goula Fairbanks, Alaska Lat.: 64.85°N, Long.: 147.72°W "There is only one difference between a non-rider and me. I am not mad." (with apologies to Salvador Dalí) ------------------------------------------------- School of Fisheries and Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks (907)474-5520 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 13:21:08 -0700 From: M Ham To: PC800 Subject: PC800: Retainers While replacing the left side air duct / maintenance cover, I heard and audible "SNAP" (a braking snap). When I removed the cover, I found that I had accidentally broke on of the tabs on the little white plastic retainer / receiver which the maintenance cover snaps into. I telephoned the Honda dealer and they said they could not help. Actually, I don't believe the guy knew what I was talking about. I noticed now when I ride, the lower portion of the maintenance cover begins to separate from the motorcycle. My questions is, does anyone know where I can find the receiving end of the plastic retainer for the air duct / maintenance covers? It's the retainer which the cover snaps into. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm afraid I'm going to soon loose my maintenance cover. Mark Ham Folsom, CA '96 Pacific Coast -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 15:42:58 -0500 To: PC800 From: "R. Fenwick" Subject: PC800: Retainers My first suggestion (by your descriptions) would be to talk to someone different. Better yet, take your bike in (or the part in) and *show* them what is broken. They should be able to look at the microfiche after they look at your bike (or part) and figure out *exactly* what you need. I avoid depending on the "spoken" word when ordering parts. Showing the real thing to the dealer eliminates confusion and incorrectly ordered parts (and with an incorrect part, twice the wait...) Rich Fenwick 1990 PC800, 18,450 miles The "new" XPRES 2 While replacing the left side air duct / maintenance cover, I heard and audible "SNAP" (a braking snap). When I removed the cover, I found that I had accidentally broke on of the tabs on the little white plastic retainer / receiver which the maintenance cover snaps into. I telephoned the Honda dealer and they said they could not help. Actually, I don't believe the guy knew what I was talking about. I noticed now when I ride, the lower portion of the maintenance cover begins to separate from the motorcycle. My questions is, does anyone know where I can find the receiving end of the plastic retainer for the air duct / maintenance covers? It's the retainer which the cover snaps into. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm afraid I'm going to soon loose my maintenance cover. Mark Ham Folsom, CA '96 Pacific Coast -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "MTW" To: "M Ham" , "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Retainers Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 18:30:41 -0400 When I first bought my PC I had trouble with the cover sliding out. I took it in and they replaced the TABs and the Slots to correct the problem, so I know they are an accessable part. Mike Whited -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: M Ham To: PC800 Date: Thursday, July 01, 1999 4:25 PM Subject: PC800: Retainers >While replacing the left side air duct / maintenance cover, I heard and >audible "SNAP" (a braking snap). When I removed the cover, I found that >I had accidentally broke on of the tabs on the little white plastic >retainer / receiver which the maintenance cover snaps into. I >telephoned the Honda dealer and they said they could not help. >Actually, I don't believe the guy knew what I was talking about. I >noticed now when I ride, the lower portion of the maintenance cover >begins to separate from the motorcycle. > >My questions is, does anyone know where I can find the receiving end of >the plastic retainer for the air duct / maintenance covers? It's the >retainer which the cover snaps into. Any help would be greatly >appreciated. I'm afraid I'm going to soon loose my maintenance cover. > >Mark Ham >Folsom, CA >'96 Pacific Coast > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ; id SAA09931 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "CJ Russell" To: "Smith, David E (AZ77)" , "PC800 Listserver" Subject: Re: PC800: Cover by Geza Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 19:11:28 -0400 Has anyone seen a "half" cover for the PC? I would be interested in one like I saw recently on a sportbike. It was a stretch like material (neoprene?) and would stretch tight from the front just under the headlight - over the windshield - and back over the ducktail. This would cover the instrument panel and the seat from dust, rain, and sun while taking up little storage space and being a quick and easy on/off. CJ 1989 PC "Therapy" 24k+ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: SFXGroup@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 19:19:42 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: Re: PC800 Electrical Problems UPDATE To: DaleDoty@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu The "flicking" thing is a HIONDA Special chargin system thing, means a duff battery! The battery needs to be "pulsed" charged unlike a normal charge it "pulses" power which you can see in the flicking head lights etc..... this is ok but would be dampped by a helthy battery!!! Laters -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 21:47:01 -0400 Subject: Re(2): PC800: Cover by Geza To: web10dn4@gte.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) web10dn4@gte.net writes: >Has anyone seen a "half" cover for the PC? I would be interested >in one like >I saw recently on a sportbike. It was a stretch like material >(neoprene?) >and would stretch tight from the front just under the headlight - >over the >windshield - and back over the ducktail. This would cover the >instrument >panel and the seat from dust, rain, and sun while taking up little >storage >space and being a quick and easy on/off. > >CJ >1989 PC "Therapy" >24k+ That is exactly what the Geeza cover does. It is a stretchy nylon cover that goes fromthe headlight to the tail light. If you have something like a Givi box installed it will cover that as well. Francois Saint Laurent sent a message a week ago about this cover. Mention his name on the Geeza factory order line and get a 10% discount. Francois says they make the covers a bit different for the PC800 depending on the windshield you have so make sure you tell them the brand and the height. Tim Davies- '98 Pacific Coast,"Yankee Smuggler" Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 21:32:43 +0000 From: Dale R Hurley To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: regulator price X-Corel-MessageType: EMail Has anyone bought a regulator/rectifier lately? I just paid 177.40 for one. Is that ballpark or is my Honda dealer going on vacation soon? Last time I bought a regulator it was for a "67 Dodge and cost about 19.95. It won't be in till next week which is fine with me cause it gives me an excuse not to be on the road on a holiday weekend. Dale -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 21:53:07 +0000 From: Dale R Hurley To: DaleDoty@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: PC800 Electrical Problems UPDATE X-Corel-MessageType: EMail Dr Dale Battery is the best place to start. If you don't have anything to test it with pull it and take it somewhere. Just recently I replaced my battery cause it wouldn't hold a charge. Stuck it in and two days latter while pulling it in the garage, I stalled it out, and then clickclickclickclick. I knew there were other problems. Checked things out and found a faulty regulator. That should be it so next week its on the road again. Byy the way,when you jump with a car, is the car running or off? I've always left the car off just cause its so much bigger. Am I being too cautious? Not Dr Dale DaleDoty@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/28/99 8:33:58 PM Central Daylight Time, > DaleDoty@AOL.COM > writes: > > > pc800@hpc.uh.edu > > UPDATE: > > I have new information I hope will allow a more knowledgable lister to > assist > me in diagnosing my electrical problem. > > I attempted to charge my PC battery and my charger automatically > kicked off > repeatedly. Bad battery that won't hold a charge? I then jumped the > bike > with my car and the PC turned over perfectly first time. As long as > the bike > was attached to the car, no flicker of lights, no wild tach > variations. The > moment I disconnect the auto battery I get the flicker and wild tach > variations. I reconnect the car battery and no problem. I allow the > bike to > run for 15-20 minutes with the car battery attached. I again remove > the auto > battery and the problems return. I turn the bike off with auto > battery > disconnected and NOTHING, not even a tiny flicker from the lights. > Dead > battery only? Does this eliminate other electrical problems? Could I > still > have regulator or stator problems or other problems with these > symptoms? > > Thanks for the help. > > Dale R. Doty, Ph.D. > Tulsa, Oklahoma > 1989 PC > HRCA # 721761 > HSTA # 8781 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: PC800: Re: PC800 Electrical Problems > Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:32:27 EDT > From: DaleDoty@AOL.COM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > > Last night I took the PC for a ride after it sat for about a week. > Everything went fine. Later in the evening it rained (though the > bike was > covered). > > Today I came out to start it and NOTHING: no dash idiot lights, no > starter, > etc. Dead battery right? I jumped the bike and it turned over fine, > HOWEVER > - all electrical flickers: dash lights, headlight, etc. Most > disconcerting > was the tach which fluctuated from idle speed to redline, all while > the bike > was idling. > > When attempting to ride, the bike missed, backfired, tach fluctuated > to > wildly high RPM's. After running for about 10 minutes, I turned the > bike off > and attempted to restart - NOTHING AGAIN. > > What do you think? With all the electrical problems I have read about > with > the 89 PC, I'm a bit nervous. Anyone experience these symptoms? What > is the > procedure for diagnosing the problem? > > Thanks, > > Dale R. Doty, Ph.D. > Tulsa, Oklahoma > 1989 PC > HRCA # 721761 > HSTA # 8781 > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 22:43:28 -0500 From: Ralph Couey To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: Surging at Idle My Dear Coasters, I searched the archives for an answer to this and didn't find any previous discussions that matched this problem. Last weekend, I undertook to try to repair my choke (or fast idle) lever. After figuring out the handlebar covers and getting into where I could look at it, I realized, after much pulling and effort, that the threaded portion of the cable (where the lock nut lives) had separated into two distinct halves. Figuring I had reached the limits of my adwrencherism, I buttoned everything back up. The problem now is that at idle there is a definite surge of around 200-300 rpms. Very regular, almost like somewhat rapid breathing. The question that I have now is whether this is a result of some dumb thing I did with the choke cable, or are my carbs having a very ill-timed coincidental conniption? --Ralph Couey Columbia, MO -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 23:52:00 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: "Sattin, Harvey" CC: "'X PC 800 List'" Subject: Re: PC800: Windshield dilemma Hi Harvey, Sattin, Harvey wrote: > If I sit very relaxed I look through the windshield only. > Did I get the correct height? > will I get used to visually having the screen at this height? > What are your experiences? If you ride in the rain, you will probably have difficulty seeing through it. And your helmet shield won't get cleared by the moving air. My two cents... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 134,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 00:05:53 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: M Ham CC: PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: Retainers Hi Mark, M Ham wrote: > My questions is, does anyone know where I can find the receiving end of > the plastic retainer for the air duct / maintenance covers? It's the > retainer which the cover snaps into. Any help would be greatly > appreciated. I'm afraid I'm going to soon loose my maintenance cover. Call Lamb's Honda Yamaha in Auburn (530 885-7105) or Roseville Honda/Kawasaki in Roseville (916 782-2171). The parts department at either one should be able to order the replacement parts for you. I replaced mine (my only warranty claim) on the left cover because it used to pull loose. I ordered both the posts and the sockets (two of each). I got mine from Lamb's (bought my bike there) but I also regularly get parts from Roseville. If you have a problem getting them, ask for Ron (at Lamb's) or Mike (at Roseville). Ron is an old hand and Mike is the parts manager. Both places have the microfiche so they should be able to get the parts/numbers for you. Curious: what dealer shined you on about these parts? Carmichael by any chance? Hope that helps... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 134,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 00:08:50 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Dale R Hurley CC: PC 800 List Subject: Re: PC800: regulator price Hi Dale, Dale R Hurley wrote: > Has anyone bought a regulator/rectifier lately? I just paid 177.40 for > one. Is that ballpark or is my Honda dealer going on vacation soon? Last > time I bought a regulator it was for a "67 Dodge and cost about 19.95. > It won't be in till next week which is fine with me cause it gives me an > excuse not to be on the road on a holiday weekend. Wow! Honda parts are usually expensive but that sounds high. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 134,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 00:10:38 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Ralph Couey CC: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: Surging at Idle Hi Ralph, Ralph Couey wrote: > The problem now is that at idle there is a > definite surge of around 200-300 rpms. Very regular, almost like > somewhat rapid breathing. The question that I have now is whether this > is a result of some dumb thing I did with the choke cable, or are my > carbs having a very ill-timed coincidental conniption? Sounds like the choke cable might have gotten pinched or some such thing. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 134,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 08:13:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: Retainers Mark Ham writes: > While replacing the left side air duct/maintenance cover, I heard > an audible "SNAP" (a braking snap). When I removed the cover, I > found that I had accidentally broke on of the tabs on the little > white plastic retainer / receiver which the maintenance cover snaps > into. I telephoned the Honda dealer and they said they could not > help. Actually, I don't believe the guy knew what I was talking about. > I noticed now when I ride, the lower portion of the maintenance cover > begins to separate from the motorcycle. > > My questions is, does anyone know where I can find the receiving end > of the plastic retainer for the air duct/maintenance covers? It's the > retainer which the cover snaps into. Any help would be greatly > appreciated. I'm afraid I'm going to soon loose my maintenance cover. My left side cover tends to work loose, just as Leland reports. Until you can get replacement parts, go to an auto parts store, and buy a roll of double-stick trim mounting tape. This stuff is thinner than the 3M tape you find at hardware stores. The rubber is denser, and the adhesive is slightly less tenacious. Cut off a piece about an inch long, then split it into two or three narrow strips, and attach these to the lip of the fairing, then put the duct back on. Works so well that I didn't bother ordering replacement tabs -- which probably cost $10 or more, given Honda's outrageous pricing for PC plastic bits. I've had the cover on and off several times since using this stuff, and it comes loose without undue prying, but doesn't work itself loose when I don't want it to. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Selden Deemer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 08:20:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: Surging at Idle Ralph Couey wrote: > The problem now is that at idle there is a > definite surge of around 200-300 rpms. Very regular, almost like > somewhat rapid breathing. The question that I have now is whether this > is a result of some dumb thing I did with the choke cable, or are my > carbs having a very ill-timed coincidental conniption? I believe that the choke cable is a "Y" cable (single at the choke knob end; splitting to go to each carb). If the alignment is off, it's possible that one of the carbs has the richener engaged, while the other doesn't. This could very easily happen if the end of the cable slipped out of its socket while you were trying to fix the problem. Pull the "shelter" and check that the routing of the choke cable is smooth, and that all the cable ends are in their sockets. Better yet, order a new choke cable and either fix it yourself or have a dealer do the work if you don't feel comfortable doing it. Choke cables are among the few parts on PC's that actually wear out. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Selden Deemer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vic Brunamonti" To: Subject: PC800: 98 PC800 For Sale Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 07:18:21 -0500 Importance: Normal For Sale - 1998 Honda Pacific Coast, red, like new, adult owned, garaged, 3000 miles, synthetic fluids, some accessories, S.Indiana, may deliver, 812-384-8736, rotary@viaduct.custom.net. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" , "CJ Russell" Subject: Re: PC800: Cover by Geza Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 10:31:07 -0400 I want one too!!! Steve Zweigart Maysville, Kentucky '97 PC800 ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: CJ Russell To: Smith, David E (AZ77) ; PC800 Listserver Sent: Thursday, 01 July 1999 19:11 Subject: Re: PC800: Cover by Geza > Has anyone seen a "half" cover for the PC? I would be interested in one like > I saw recently on a sportbike. It was a stretch like material (neoprene?) > and would stretch tight from the front just under the headlight - over the > windshield - and back over the ducktail. This would cover the instrument > panel and the seat from dust, rain, and sun while taking up little storage > space and being a quick and easy on/off. > > CJ > 1989 PC "Therapy" > 24k+ > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 08:04:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Roger Ries Subject: PC800: Out of here To: PC800 I'm out of here for the next week on vacation. You all have a great weekend. === Later Roger R Chaska, MN _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Smith, David E (AZ77)" To: CJ Russell , PC800 Listserver Subject: RE: PC800: Cover by Geza Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 08:07:10 -0700 Exactly what I was looking for when I bought my Geza cover. This stuff is so stretchy that even with a +5 Clearview, it will tuck under the tip of the front fender! I doubt it really makes a difference in protection but it sure looks neat. David E Smith 1998 PC800 "Minerva" Phoenix > -----Original Message----- > From: CJ Russell [mailto:web10dn4@gte.net] > Sent: July 01, 1999 16:11 > To: Smith, David E (AZ77); PC800 Listserver > Subject: Re: PC800: Cover by Geza > > > Has anyone seen a "half" cover for the PC? I would be > interested in one like > I saw recently on a sportbike. It was a stretch like material > (neoprene?) > and would stretch tight from the front just under the > headlight - over the > windshield - and back over the ducktail. This would cover the > instrument > panel and the seat from dust, rain, and sun while taking up > little storage > space and being a quick and easy on/off. > > CJ > 1989 PC "Therapy" > 24k+ > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the > body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Peter Noeth To: "'PC800'" Subject: RE: PC800: Halogen Flashing Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 09:41:13 -0700 The key point here is the DMV's meaning of the word "flashing". In California, if after one reads the vehicle code, one would also determine that these brake light flashers are also illegal. But the reason they have been approved in all 50 states (Kissan and Kriss), is because they only "pulse" the brake light for a few seconds and then go solid on,much the same effect as manually pulsing the break pedal. A "flashing" light is meant to mean a light that continues to flash as long as it is turned on. You may also note that there is probably some definition as to how fast turn signals are allowed to blink (flash rate). The brake light modulators also pulse the break light faster than the rate allowed fot turn signals to avoid confusion to other motorists (assuming that they are paying attention). Lastly, these devices are called "brake light modulators" to avoid the confusion with the term "flashers". Peter Noeth || Rocklin, CA || Fireball, '96 w/10k and loving every minuite! > ---------- > From: kidbys@webtv.net[SMTP:kidbys@webtv.net] > Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 5:19 AM > To: TISkippy@erie.net > Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: PC800: Halogen Flashing > > <> > humm - are 4 way flashers illegal on m/cs in PA? > > Or is this illegal flashing just another way of harrassing m/cs in PA? > > Jerry Kidby > > > > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jrandall@tricon.net (SMTPD32-5.01) id AC8AC200C6; Fri, 02 Jul 1999 09:44:58 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu CC: Subject: FW: PC800: Surging at Idle Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 09:45:06 -0800 Your choke may be still somewhat "on" - suggest you be sure that the cable is pushed in all the way. The same plastic nut you describe was broken on my PC when I bought it (used). I repaired it by throwing away the nut and securing the cable with a small hose clamp. I had to readjust the choke cable but it's been working fine for 35K miles. BTW, if I have ridden my PC within a couple of days, the choke is not required to start this time of year. And yes, I'm sure it's not on - there's free play in the cable and I normally get 50+ mpg. Jim Randall --- Original Message --- Ralph Couey Wrote on Thu, 01 Jul 1999 22:43:28 -0500 ------------------ My Dear Coasters, I searched the archives for an answer to this and didn't find any previous discussions that matched this problem. Last weekend, I undertook to try to repair my choke (or fast idle) lever. After figuring out the handlebar covers and getting into where I could look at it, I realized, after much pulling and effort, that the threaded portion of the cable (where the lock nut lives) had separated into two distinct halves. Figuring I had reached the limits of my adwrencherism, I buttoned everything back up. The problem now is that at idle there is a definite surge of around 200-300 rpms. Very regular, almost like somewhat rapid breathing. The question that I have now is whether this is a result of some dumb thing I did with the choke cable, or are my carbs having a very ill-timed coincidental conniption? --Ralph Couey Columbia, MO -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Peter Noeth To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: PC Sound System Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 10:29:18 -0700 Tom, There was someone on the SCPCRC group that has much the same setup as you mention. There are some pictures as I recall. Unfortunately I am at home and don't have their full URL on my system. Can someone assist? Peter Noeth || Rocklin, CA || Fireball, '96 w/10k and loving every minuite! > ---------- > From: tom.freed[SMTP:tfreed@ibm.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 10:03 PM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: PC Sound System > > Fellow PC Owners, > > I've been looking at automotive stereo cassette players for the PC, and of > course need one with a remote control. I like the Sony product, but I think > the remote looks wrong. The Clarion marine radios are great, though > expensive, with a cool wired remote that could mount in the left fairing > storage cover. But my thought is to try one with the infared credit card > remote, I would use a piece of velcro to attach to the dash surface. They > are very flat and would look almost OEM. The trick is to use a piece of > fiber optic cable run along the frame to transmit the light back to the > trunk, or take the remote apart and use 1 pair wire to move the infared led > from the remote into the trunk. > > Any Thoughts! > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BMillman@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:14:52 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: PC Sound System To: Peter_N1@verifone.com CC: tfreed@ibm.net], pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 02/07/99 18:30:09 GMT Daylight Time, Peter_N1@verifone.com writes: << Tom, There was someone on the SCPCRC group that has much the same setup as you mention. There are some pictures as I recall. Unfortunately I am at home and don't have their full URL on my system. Can someone assist? >> I have fitted a Sony unit into the trunk and have the remote mounted on the glove box lid. It works a treat! I also have some photos in jpeg format which I could attach to anyone if they are interested. Regards, Brian Millman Reading England 90 PC800 Candy Red (The Palm Tree PC) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "tom.freed" To: , Cc: , Subject: RE: PC800: PC Sound System Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 16:08:06 -0400 Importance: Normal Brian, What is the power of your Sony, and at what speed can you no longer hear the sound clearly. Also, apparantly the size a windscreen helps. I think I'm going to use a Sangean AM/FM Walkman input to a SONY 35x2 Amp output to 4" Clarion Poly (advertised as waterproof) Speakers. For all those looking for speakers, the Clarions are on the IQVC web site at $29.95. This combo is a good alternative as I also use a helmet communicator/walkman. Also, If your lookinng for a cool walkman, with car radio like features - check out the Sangean at J&R Musicworld web site. -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of BMillman@aol.com Sent: Friday, July 02, 1999 3:15 PM To: Peter_N1@verifone.com Cc: tfreed@ibm.net]; pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: PC Sound System In a message dated 02/07/99 18:30:09 GMT Daylight Time, Peter_N1@verifone.com writes: << Tom, There was someone on the SCPCRC group that has much the same setup as you mention. There are some pictures as I recall. Unfortunately I am at home and don't have their full URL on my system. Can someone assist? >> I have fitted a Sony unit into the trunk and have the remote mounted on the glove box lid. It works a treat! I also have some photos in jpeg format which I could attach to anyone if they are interested. Regards, Brian Millman Reading England 90 PC800 Candy Red (The Palm Tree PC) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Robert Coulter" To: , "Steve Zweigart" , "Pacific Coast List" Subject: Re: PC800: Seat-top luggage Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 18:19:18 -0400 >Steve Zweigart, srz@ntr.net writes: > >>I'm looking for a substantial piece of luggage which will attach solidly on >>top of the passenger seat of the PC. > Steve, check out the website for RKA luggage at www.rka-luggage.com. I have their tankbag and soft luggage as well as the rearseat carryall. I'm very happy with their products. The carryall is functional and looks good, and it attaches securely with rubber coated "J" hooks that are placed under the lip of the passenger seat. A shoulder strap is included and you can order a rain cover. Karen Coulter '97 PC "Li'l Red" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 20:28:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List cc: pemble@dnet.net Subject: PC800: H1157 bulbs Paco Solis' observations about H1157 bulbs that were wired backwards got me to thinking and checking. After careful examination, it appears that *both* the H1157 bulbs that I purchased from Sport Touring Accessories earlier this spring were wired backwards, as the running light was extremely bright, and engaging the brake circuit only changed things slightly. In contrast, with the 2357 bulbs, there is a dramatic difference between the two states. It looks like there may be a serious quality control problem with the "Candlepower" brand of H1157 bulbs, with a lot of them wired backwards. I don't know if this is also a problem with a similar H1157 bulb offered by JC Whitney (which appears to be a different design, to judge from the photo on the JC Whitney web site). I'm copying STA on this note, so that they will be aware of the fact that there may be a bad batch of H1157 bulbs out there. Since I've been using my H1157's for about 2 months, I don't know what chance I have for getting correctly wired replacements from STA, but it's worth a shot. Using Alta Vista, I found a nice table on replacement light bulbs at http://www.run-n-lites.com/bulbspec.htm I've added entries to this table for the H1157 and for longlife bulbs. The question marks after the rated hours for the H1157 reflect some skepticism on my part; I think this was an error in one of the sources that I found, as halogen bulbs usually have a higher rated life than others, and JC Whitney claims 3 times the life for their H1157 bulb. BULB POWER CONSUMPTION LIGHT OUTPUT LIFE Voltage Amps Watts Candela Lumen Hours 1157 High Element 12.8 2.10 26.8 32 402 1200 Low Element 14.0 0.59 8.3 3 38 5000 H1157 High Element 12.8 3.90 49.9 107 1350 400? Low Element 14.0 1.07 15.0 25 320 400? 2057 High Element 12.8 2.10 26.8 32 402 1200 Low Element 14.0 0.48 6.7 2 25 5000 2357 High Element 12.8 2.20 28.2 40 503 400 Low Element 14.0 0.59 8.3 3 38 5000 2357LL High Element 12.8 2.20 28.2 40 503 800 Low Element 14.0 0.59 8.3 3 38 10000 921 12.8 1.4 17.9 21 264 1000 921LL 12.8 1.4 17.9 21 264 1800 After reviewing this data, I decided to replace my center bulb with a 921LL and both brakelight bulbs with 2357LL bulbs. To my uncalibrated eye meter, the illumination level of all three lights is now the same (even though the table suggests that the 921 should appear much brighter than the 2357). The brakelight bulbs are now much brighter than the tail lights, as they should be when the brake circuit is energized. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Selden Deemer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Arvid_L=F8vik?= To: "Steve Zweigart" , "Pacific Coast List" Subject: Re: PC800: Seat-top luggage Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 02:46:45 +0200 > >Steve Zweigart, srz@ntr.net writes: > > > >>I'm looking for a substantial piece of luggage which will attach solidly > on > >>top of the passenger seat of the PC. Hi, The Rider Magazine has a test on soft bags at : http://www.ridermagazine.com/mc/mag/gearchanges.html I have two tankbags for Our PC's and one rearseat bag from 3 different suppliers. The best of the 2 tankbags is the one from Tour Master . It is called the TB 18. If their rear seat bag is a good made as this, it will be very good. http://www.tourmaster.com/ Rider Mag's wrote this on the TB 18: TB-18 Tankbag, $89.95: This 18-liter bag comes complete with a neoprene pad, a nicely padded and flocked interior, small incidentals pocket in the rear and generous side pockets. It expands by 4.5 inches at the front, and there' s an additional pocket for the rain cover. It offers a lot for the money. The second tankbag is from Fox. This is absolutely not in the same league as the Tour Master !! But good enough for the seldom usage on Torill's bike. http://www.mxsouth.com/foxtoc.htm This bag is a smaller sportbag (picture at : http://www.mxsouth.com/foxpg27.htm ) and probably only cost a third of the Tour Master. The rear seat bag is made by Wolfman and is something in between those tank bags in quality i will think. Wolf Tail, $84.99: This bag features three exterior side pockets, plus a generous pocket on top. The roomy main compartment will accommodate a full-face helmet, Igloo cooler or a load of clothing. Wolfman Outdoor Products Inc. 2450 Central Avenue, Suite A Boulder, Colorado 80301 (800) 535-8131, (303) 541-9723 i I don't know if this helps so much, but a little input from me too could not be all that bad !!?? ; ) I have to say that all the bags came with the bikes and is as new, so if they don't fancy them at all...... I've got them for FREE !! Regards Arvid -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Arvid_L=F8vik?= To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Seat-top luggage Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 02:56:50 +0200 The Rider Magazine wrote this about the Tour Master : TB-17 Tail Bag, $59.99: Made of heavy Cordura, the Tail Bag includes = hide-away hooks, slim side pockets, a large rear zippered pocket, front = pocket and shoulder strap to go with its fleece-lined interior. 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-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Chuck Young" To: "The PC800 List" Subject: PC800: 2 Turn Or Not 2 Turn Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 21:58:19 -0400 Hi Everybody, Just got off work and am officially on V A C A T I O N....YEA ! Looking forward to riding all week....in the 90's here for the next 4 or 5 days. I've got another one (question that is) for all you PC'ers..... My 1990 (17k) has a curious little thing going on whenever I use the self-canceling turn signal. About 75% of the time, it just goes off before I get to the intersection....I have to re-apply and hope it stays on thru the turn.....Doesn't happen all the time but enough to be a real bother....I really like the idea of the self-cancel thing but......does anybody else have this problem and do you know of a "fix"????? Everyone have a great 4th of July weekend and be safe. Keep the shiny side up ! Chuck (in Ohio) 1990 PC800 LTD (Livin' The Dream) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 22:01:54 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: 2 Turn Or Not 2 Turn To: rcy335@cfanet.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hi Chuck! You cant fix it if it aint broke. The PC signals also cancel with distance. So if you are moving a certain amount, they shut off. That's the way they work! Live with it or disconnect them! Russ Vernon -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 21:29:10 -0500 From: Steve DeLorey To: RVPC800@aol.com CC: rcy335@cfanet.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: 2 Turn Or Not 2 Turn Chuck, I second Russ Vernon's comment. Somewhere in the depths of the shop manual or maybe it was a Rider magazine article, the process is explained in detail. In short, the flashers cancel: a: If you turn b: If you travel a certain distance whether you turn or not. As far as I know, there is no adjustment to lengthen the distance traveled. As Russ says, you'll adjust to it. You get to the point where you measure the distance (on mine about 150') before you turn the signal on. When traveling with a group, I just plan on turning them on twice for each turn. Once as soon as I catch the turn signal of the guy in front of me and then again when I'm about 100' from the turn out. Steve DeLorey 90'PC RVPC800@aol.com wrote: > Hi Chuck! > You cant fix it if it aint broke. The PC signals also cancel with distance. > So if you are moving a certain amount, they shut off. That's the way they > work! Live with it or disconnect them! > > Russ Vernon > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ahall77379@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 23:51:35 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: 2 Turn Or Not 2 Turn To: rcy335@cfanet.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 7/2/99 8:54:40 PM Central Daylight Time, rcy335@cfanet.com writes: > whenever I use the self-canceling > turn signal. About 75% of the time, it just goes off before I get to the > intersection....I have to re-apply and hope it stays on thru the > turn.....Doesn't happen all the time Yes, mine does this too. I believe the PC's self canceling signals work something like this - if you are stopped, the turn signal stays on indefinitly. If you are moving between 1 and 67 km/h , then the signals cancel anywhere between 108 and 132 meters of travel (assuming the bars have stayed straight all this time) This timing sequence actually starts after the bars have turned through an intersection after a traffic light or stop sign. That is to say " after 108 - 132 meters has been moved from the latest straight position."This sounds like your symptom. Above speeds of 67 km/h , the signal will cancel 6.3 to 7.7 seconds after the signal is initiated. I suppose it is a good set-up, but I still try to remember to check them after a turn. It does help that the dash has indicator lights as well. Alan in Houston 89' PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 23:15:56 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: Selden Deemer CC: PC 800 List , pemble@dnet.net Subject: Re: PC800: H1157 bulbs Selden Deemer wrote: > Paco Solis' observations about H1157 bulbs that were wired backwards got > me to thinking and checking. After careful examination, it appears that > *both* the H1157 bulbs that I purchased from Sport Touring Accessories > earlier this spring were wired backwards, as the running light was > extremely bright, and engaging the brake circuit only changed things > slightly. FWIW A fellow listmember, Rick Meeks, tried the H1157 bulbs about a year ago and told me that the tail lights were as bright or brighter than the brake lights. Applying the brakes made almost no difference in the light output. He removed the halogens and returned them. I think the bulbs are made that way and are not just a bad batch. I tried to talk Rick into just switching the 2 wires around on the socket but he didn't like the idea. Can't really blame him. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 (Tar-Baby) 1974 Kawasaki Z1-A 900 (The Mistress) IronButt Association, 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 23:20:28 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: H1157 bulbs Steve Wilson wrote: > > FWIW A fellow listmember, Rick Meeks, Also FWIW, his last name is Meek. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 (Tar-Baby) 1974 Kawasaki Z1-A 900 (The Mistress) IronButt Association, 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 23:24:49 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: rcy335@cfanet.com CC: The PC800 List Subject: Re: PC800: 2 Turn Or Not 2 Turn Chuck Young wrote: > does anybody else > have this problem and do you know of a "fix"????? > I haven't tried it but I remember this coming up on the list before and I think someone said that if you press the turn signal a second time before it times out, it will override the timer and stay on until you actually turn or turn it off manually. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 (Tar-Baby) 1974 Kawasaki Z1-A 900 (The Mistress) IronButt Association, 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "M Ham" To: "Selden Deemer" , "PC 800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Retainers Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 22:02:24 -0700 Selden Deemer wrote, >snip< >go to an auto parts store, and buy a roll of double-stick trim mounting tape. This stuff is thinner than the 3M tape you find at hardware stores. The rubber is denser, and > the adhesive is slightly less tenacious. Cut off a piece about an inch > long, then split it into two or three narrow strips, and attach these > to the lip of the fairing, then put the duct back on. > An excellent suggestion Selden, thank you. The tape will work just fine while I order the part from Roseville Honda. Oh, and Leland, that was a lucky guess you had with the Carmichael Honda dealer not knowing what I was talking about. I can't believe I keep going back to them. Roseville Honda is my new dealer. Mark Ham '96 Pacific Coast -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "M Ham" To: "Selden Deemer" , "PC 800 List" Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: H1157 bulbs Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 23:02:37 -0700 >snip< >a lot of them wired backwards. I don't know if this is also a problem with a similar H1157 bulb offered by JC Whitney (which appears to be a different design, to judge from the photo on the JC Whitney web site). > > Selden Deemer > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I ordered 2 lights H1157's from JC Whitney. One was wired correctly and the other was not. I'm sending the lights back and purchasing the 2357 bulb. My two-cents Mark Ham '96 Pacific Coast -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: morttis@ix.netcom.com by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id CAA05119; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 02:04:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 02:04:38 -0500 (CDT) To: libssd@emory.edu To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: pemble@dnet.net Subject: Re: PC800: H1157 bulbs Of the two bulbs I purchased from by local bike shop, was a CPI (Candlepower) bulb "backwards". There was no lot number on the box sticker or bulb. The second one was in a generic white box with only a elaborate warning label and the bulb type on it. No company name! That one works fine. I will check with my local shop to see who they order their bulbs from and see if their is another supplier in which we can get reliable bulbs from. I checked on a web site for CPI and couldn't find one yet. These bulbs should be recalled! You would think that something this mundane they could get right. Or at least right 50% of the time. ;) So Fellow Coasters! Check your bulbs! For Safety sake, Check your lights often! Paco Solis MORTTIS 89' PC On 07/02/99 20:28:49 you wrote: On 07/02/99 20:28:49 you wrote: > >Paco Solis' observations about H1157 bulbs that were wired backwards got >me to thinking and checking. After careful examination, it appears that >*both* the H1157 bulbs that I purchased from Sport Touring Accessories >earlier this spring were wired backwards, as the running light was >extremely bright, and engaging the brake circuit only changed things >slightly. In contrast, with the 2357 bulbs, there is a dramatic difference >between the two states. It looks like there may be a serious quality >control problem with the "Candlepower" brand of H1157 bulbs, with a lot >of them wired backwards. I don't know if this is also a problem with a >similar H1157 bulb offered by JC Whitney (which appears to be a different >design, to judge from the photo on the JC Whitney web site). > >I'm copying STA on this note, so that they will be aware of the fact that >there may be a bad batch of H1157 bulbs out there. Since I've been using >my H1157's for about 2 months, I don't know what chance I have for getting >correctly wired replacements from STA, but it's worth a shot. > >Using Alta Vista, I found a nice table on replacement light bulbs at >http://www.run-n-lites.com/bulbspec.htm I've added entries to this table >for the H1157 and for longlife bulbs. The question marks after the rated >hours for the H1157 reflect some skepticism on my part; I think this was >an error in one of the sources that I found, as halogen bulbs usually >have a higher rated life than others, and JC Whitney claims 3 times the >life for their H1157 bulb. > > > BULB POWER CONSUMPTION LIGHT OUTPUT LIFE > Voltage Amps Watts Candela Lumen Hours > > 1157 High Element 12.8 2.10 26.8 32 402 1200 > Low Element 14.0 0.59 8.3 3 38 5000 > >H1157 High Element 12.8 3.90 49.9 107 1350 400? > Low Element 14.0 1.07 15.0 25 320 400? > > 2057 High Element 12.8 2.10 26.8 32 402 1200 > Low Element 14.0 0.48 6.7 2 25 5000 > > 2357 High Element 12.8 2.20 28.2 40 503 400 > Low Element 14.0 0.59 8.3 3 38 5000 > > 2357LL High Element 12.8 2.20 28.2 40 503 800 > Low Element 14.0 0.59 8.3 3 38 10000 > > 921 12.8 1.4 17.9 21 264 1000 > 921LL 12.8 1.4 17.9 21 264 1800 > > >After reviewing this data, I decided to replace my center bulb with a 921LL >and both brakelight bulbs with 2357LL bulbs. To my uncalibrated eye meter, >the illumination level of all three lights is now the same (even though >the table suggests that the 921 should appear much brighter than the 2357). >The brakelight bulbs are now much brighter than the tail lights, as they >should be when the brake circuit is energized. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Selden Deemer >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > Wendy and Paco Solis -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: morttis@ix.netcom.com by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id CAA07969 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 02:27:36 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 02:27:36 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Clutch disk question ( N1-N2 ) I recently replaced by clutch on my PC with a factory spec after market. When I took off the old fiber disks I noticed that the outer disk was a N1 disk and the inner disk was a N2. The strange thing was that the N1 on the outside had the red tab markings of an N2 disk. According to the Honda manual there should be N2s' on the inner and outer sides and N1s' between. From my asking my local shop and two Honda dealers, the N2 disks are thicker vs. the N1 disks. I am trying to reason out why my clutch started to slightly slip the third year of owning my bike. The sliping never got worse! So, has anyone else noticed this or did I just get a fluke? This is my first expierence with a motorcycle clutch. Any clutch veterans out there that can add their two cents?..... I guess I shouldn't worry about it but us Failure Analysis Engineers need a reason to keep living..... Paco Solis MORTTIS 89' PC Wendy and Paco Solis -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 00:25:16 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: rcy335@cfanet.com CC: The PC800 List Subject: Re: PC800: 2 Turn Or Not 2 Turn Hi Chuck, Chuck Young wrote: > I've got another one (question that is) for all you PC'ers..... My 1990 > (17k) has a curious little thing going on whenever I use the self-canceling > turn signal. About 75% of the time, it just goes off before I get to the > intersection....I have to re-apply and hope it stays on thru the > turn.....Doesn't happen all the time but enough to be a real bother....I > really like the idea of the self-cancel thing but......does anybody else > have this problem and do you know of a "fix"????? It's just the way the thing works. If I turn my signal on at 60mph, it turns off after 11 flashes. If I turn it on at a lower speed, it lasts longer. If I turn it on while stopped, it will run indefinitely. I just keep turning mine back on as needed until I get through the corner or until I get stopped, as applicable. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 134,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 00:39:02 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: M Ham CC: Selden Deemer , PC 800 List Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Retainers Hi Mark, M Ham wrote: > Oh, and Leland, that was a lucky guess you had with the Carmichael Honda > dealer not knowing what I was talking about. I can't believe I keep going > back to them. Roseville Honda is my new dealer. Unfortunately, it wasn't luck. I've had similar experiences with those folks. Their prices are high and I haven't seen or heard anything to justify it. I only deal with them if I have to. My experience has been that Roseville is pretty aggressive with parts pricing and Lamb's is pretty aggressive when it comes to buying a bike there. When I bought my PC, Carmichael quoted me $8000 out the door after saying that no one was discounting the Pacific Coast. Just for comparison purposes, I called Lamb's and the first thing the salesman said was "we are discounting everything." I said, "talk to me." I told him I wanted a Pacific Coast and when he came back to the phone he said, "about $6800 out the door." I told him he had a deal and three days later I picked up my new bike (9/16/93). Ever since then, I have pretty much discounted Carmichael as a viable source for anything. I usually try Lamb's first because I like the people there. Roseville, on the other hand, has a terrific stock of parts (and bikes) and are very good about getting things promptly. What did Roseville quote you for the parts? I can't remember what the price was since mine was a warranty item. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 134,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 00:29:22 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Steve Wilson CC: rcy335@cfanet.com, The PC800 List Subject: Re: PC800: 2 Turn Or Not 2 Turn Hi Steve, Steve Wilson wrote: > I haven't tried it but I remember this coming up on the list before and I think > someone said that if you press the turn signal a second time before it times > out, it will override the timer and stay on until you actually turn or turn it > off manually. Mine doesn't work that way; it just starts the timer over. For example, if I turn mine on at 60mph, I get 11 flashes before it shuts off (assuming no change in speed). If I hit the signal a second time, say after 9 flashes, I just get 11 more flashes (still assuming no change in speed). -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 134,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Boz" To: "Michael D. Linkous" , "Pacific Coast" Subject: Re: PC800: screw update Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 06:31:52 -0000 Those screws are awful.... a suggestion (for those of steady hand)... A little while ago I came across a tough phillips & immediately stripped it. In an inspired moment (I'll get that d#$%@ed thing!) I took out my air chisel, sellected a nice, flat blade and when after the screw head. Trying to get a good purchase on the head I got a little off center & walla! The chisel bit in & the screw turned! So... after a 1/2 a futile attempt at removing those screws under the light on my 97 pc to put on those driving lights, out came the air chisel & very gentily fanning the trigger & not hitting the plastic, the screws came out almost immediately! Just barely touch the corner of the chisel so to turn the screw, hold the tool in both hands ( I grab right onto the chisel. ) & >>>>FAN<<<< the trigger and you've got a little impact wrench! John Bosworth '97 PC -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Michael D. Linkous To: Pacific Coast Date: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 11:43 PM Subject: PC800: screw update >Those screws under the headlight have to be the tighest screws I have ever >seen. > >Several people e-mailed me asking why I was removing them. (I also learned >that these do not have to be removed to change the headlight... thanks, >guys) I am getting ready to install some driving lights from STA... the >lights mount on a braket that uses those same two screw holes. > >After 'screwing' up the phillips head... I used a small pair of vice grips. >All that did was chew up the head even more. I finally decided to use the >Black and Decker Wizard that I got for Christmas. With a steady hand (not >to touch the plastic) I made me a new slot. I STILL could not break those >things loose. I stuck a pair of vice grips on the shaft of the screwdriver >to give me extra leverage... finally made a loud pop and they broke loose. > >PC800 Rider... a.k.a. Tim Davies... has the lights and told me the kit comes >with new screws. It is a good thing! You destroy the old ones removing >them. (FWIW.... the screws are $1.50 ea. at my Honda dealer). > > >----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- >Michael D. Linkous >Bluefield, WV >http://www.inetone.net/mlinkous > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "M Ham" To: "PC 800 List" Subject: PC800: Motorcycle Fatalities in 1997 Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 05:08:03 -0700 Found this information on the net regarding facts on motorcycle = fatalities in 1997 (US). This information came from the Insurance = Institute for Highway Safety. Just some interesting facts I wanted to = share with the list. I apologize in advance if this information has already been posted. Motorcycles are less stable and less visible than cars, and they have = high performance capabilities. For these reasons and others, motorcycles = are more likely than cars to be in crashes. And when a motorcycle = crashes, their riders lack the protection of an enclosed vehicle, so = they are more likely to be injured or killed. Per mile traveled, the = number of deaths on motorcycles is about 15 times the number in cars. = Five crash types account for about 86 percent of motorcycle crashes: = motorcycle runs off roadway (41 percent), motorcycle or other vehicle = runs traffic control (18 percent), head on (11 percent), car turns in = front of cycle (8 percent), and motorcycle goes down in roadway (7 = percent).=20 Helmets are about 29 percent effective in preventing motorcycle deaths = and about 67 percent effective in preventing brain injuries. An = unhelmeted rider is 40 percent more likely to suffer a fatal head injury = than a helmeted rider. The following facts are based on analysis of data from the U.S. = Department of Transportation's Fatality Analysis Reporting System as = reviewed by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. a.. 2,070 motorcyclist died in crashes in 1997 b.. There were 50 deaths per 100,000 registered motorcycles, compared = to 18 deaths per 100,000 in cars. * Twenty nine percent of all fatally injured motorcycle drivers in 1997 = did not have a valid license to operate their motorcycles. * Nine out of 10 motorcycle deaths were males. * Thirty-six percent of motorcycle deaths occurred among 16-29 year old = males. * Seventy-two percent of females who died in a motorcycle crash in 1997 = were passengers. Ninety-seven percent of males who died were drivers. * Forty-three percent of motorcycle deaths occurred in single vehicle = crashes, and 57 percent occurred in multi-vehicle crashes. * Forty-seven percent of deaths in single vehicle crashes involved a = driver with alcohol concentrations at or above 0.10 percent. * Forty-eight percent of motorcycle deaths occurred on weekends (Friday = - Sunday). * Forty-one percent of motorcycle deaths occurred between 6:00 PM to = 3:00 AM * Seventy-one percent of 1997 motorcycle deaths occurred during April - = September. They peaked in the summer months (June - August) and were = lowest in December and January. I found this information interesting and I hope you did too. Ride safely = and defensively!! Mark Ham '96 Pacific Coast. (Friday –=20 Sunday).

* Forty-one percent of motorcycle deaths occurred between 6:00 PM to = 3:00=20 AM

* Seventy-one percent of 1997 motorcycle deaths occurred during April = –=20 September. They peaked in the summer months (June – August) and = were lowest in=20 December and January.

I found this information interesting and I hope you did too. Ride = safely and=20 defensively!!

Mark Ham

’96 Pacific Coast.

 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Chuck Young" To: "The PC800 List" Subject: PC800: One Good turn deserves another Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 08:43:32 -0400 Thanks Guys, For all your input on my "turning question"... I now understand that it's just the nature of the beast. No problem...I still love the bike. And I'll take all your suggestions under consideration.....well, short of Dana's suggestion of selling my 1990 and getting a newer one that doesn't have that feature. Thanks anyway Dana, but I'm afraid I'm too married to afford to buy a newer one :) Maybe next year....ha ha Have a great weekend everyone ! Chuck Young 1990 PC800 LTD (Livin' The Dream) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 09:16:13 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jim Alexander" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: Clutch disk question ( N1-N2 ) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 06:15:09 -0700 Paco, When I owned my first '89 PC (purchased April 1989), I had ridden about 7,500 miles when I fried the clutch. I was riding in San Francisco and it started slipping badly. I was able to limp about 1/2 way home (about 20 miles). I had to park the bike and find another way home. This was around mid to late June. Honda was unable to just send replacement parts as they said there were none yet in the country. I wasn't very happy about having to wait a few weeks for my bike to be fixed. I called customer service from Honda a number of times. After bothering them enough, I spoke with a man named Doug Woiwood who was the customer service manager (I have since met and become friends with Doug ... he works elsewhere for Honda now). Anyway, Doug admitted to me that they had a number of failures of 'factory demo' bikes loaned to various people (magazine writers and the like) or ridden by Honda employees. They had used all of the available clutch parts repairing those and they didn't think anyone would put enough miles on a PC to have to do warranty work so soon on a customers bike. This was little consolation, but at least I knew what was going on. They agreed to FedEx the best 'USED' clutch plates to my dealer and they would have my bike put back together until new parts could be obtained, then they would authorize replacement of the clutch with new parts at a later time. My dealer received the parts and got my PC back together. The clutch worked just fine without any more problems. A little more than one year later my stator failed. I got it back to the same dealer and found out how much it was going to cost. They called Honda even though the bike was beyond warranty (the 1989 PCs only had a one year warranty ... the 1990 and later came with a three year warranty). Honda agreed to provide the stator at no cost covering it as if the bike was under warranty. Then while creating the claim for the stator replacement, they found the claim for the clutch replacement. I was informed that since it was still outstanding, the clutch would be replaced as well and that Honda would be paying the entire bill because the clutch (which had to come out to replace the stator) was going to be replaced anyway. So, I can't give you any technical details about the clutch plates, but I did see the plates and I was surprised how badly the old ones were burnt when they first replaced my clutch. This was exactly the same problem that Doug had described to me on the phone. I think the clutches were the same parts as the Shadow clutches at first, because when the shop compared the old plates with the new ones there were significant differences (other than being new). They then later compared my old plates with a Shadow they were working on and the plates were identical. This does not prove my theory, but it seems to confirm it. -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: morttis@ix.netcom.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Saturday, July 03, 1999 12:28 AM Subject: PC800: Clutch disk question ( N1-N2 ) > >I recently replaced by clutch on my PC with a factory spec after market. >When I took off the old fiber disks I noticed that the outer disk was >a N1 disk and the inner disk was a N2. The strange thing was that the >N1 on the outside had the red tab markings of an N2 disk. According >to the Honda manual there should be N2s' on the inner and outer sides >and N1s' between. From my asking my local shop and two Honda dealers, >the N2 disks are thicker vs. the N1 disks. > >I am trying to reason out why my clutch started to slightly slip the >third year of owning my bike. The sliping never got worse! > >So, has anyone else noticed this or did I just get a fluke? >This is my first expierence with a motorcycle clutch. Any clutch >veterans out there that can add their two cents?..... > >I guess I shouldn't worry about it but us Failure Analysis Engineers >need a reason to keep living..... > >Paco Solis > >MORTTIS 89' PC > > > > >Wendy and Paco Solis >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "tom.freed" To: "'Boz'" , "'Michael D. Linkous'" , "'Pacific Coast'" Subject: RE: PC800: screw update Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 09:58:53 -0400 Importance: Normal John, What type of lights mount in this area? -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of Boz Sent: Saturday, July 03, 1999 2:32 AM To: Michael D. Linkous; Pacific Coast Subject: Re: PC800: screw update Those screws are awful.... a suggestion (for those of steady hand)... A little while ago I came across a tough phillips & immediately stripped it. In an inspired moment (I'll get that d#$%@ed thing!) I took out my air chisel, sellected a nice, flat blade and when after the screw head. Trying to get a good purchase on the head I got a little off center & walla! The chisel bit in & the screw turned! So... after a 1/2 a futile attempt at removing those screws under the light on my 97 pc to put on those driving lights, out came the air chisel & very gentily fanning the trigger & not hitting the plastic, the screws came out almost immediately! Just barely touch the corner of the chisel so to turn the screw, hold the tool in both hands ( I grab right onto the chisel. ) & >>>>FAN<<<< the trigger and you've got a little impact wrench! John Bosworth '97 PC -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Michael D. Linkous To: Pacific Coast Date: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 11:43 PM Subject: PC800: screw update >Those screws under the headlight have to be the tighest screws I have ever >seen. > >Several people e-mailed me asking why I was removing them. (I also learned >that these do not have to be removed to change the headlight... thanks, >guys) I am getting ready to install some driving lights from STA... the >lights mount on a braket that uses those same two screw holes. > >After 'screwing' up the phillips head... I used a small pair of vice grips. >All that did was chew up the head even more. I finally decided to use the >Black and Decker Wizard that I got for Christmas. With a steady hand (not >to touch the plastic) I made me a new slot. I STILL could not break those >things loose. I stuck a pair of vice grips on the shaft of the screwdriver >to give me extra leverage... finally made a loud pop and they broke loose. > >PC800 Rider... a.k.a. Tim Davies... has the lights and told me the kit comes >with new screws. It is a good thing! You destroy the old ones removing >them. (FWIW.... the screws are $1.50 ea. at my Honda dealer). > > >----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- >Michael D. Linkous >Bluefield, WV >http://www.inetone.net/mlinkous > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "tom.freed" To: "'M Ham'" , "'Selden Deemer'" , "'PC 800 List'" Cc: Subject: RE: PC800: H1157 bulbs Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 10:03:06 -0400 Importance: Normal I've used 2357s for a long while - they work great - a good compromise - and the price is right! Tom Freed -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of M Ham Sent: Saturday, July 03, 1999 2:03 AM To: Selden Deemer; PC 800 List Cc: pemble@dnet.net Subject: Re: PC800: H1157 bulbs >snip< >a lot of them wired backwards. I don't know if this is also a problem with a similar H1157 bulb offered by JC Whitney (which appears to be a different design, to judge from the photo on the JC Whitney web site). > > Selden Deemer > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I ordered 2 lights H1157's from JC Whitney. One was wired correctly and the other was not. I'm sending the lights back and purchasing the 2357 bulb. My two-cents Mark Ham '96 Pacific Coast -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve Zweigart" To: "Pacific Coast List" , "Boz" Subject: Re: PC800: screw update Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 10:44:27 -0400 Brave man!! Steve Zweigart Maysville, Kentucky '97PC800 ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Boz To: Michael D. Linkous ; Pacific Coast Sent: Saturday, 03 July 1999 02:31 Subject: Re: PC800: screw update > Those screws are awful.... a suggestion (for those of steady hand)... A > little while ago I came across a tough phillips & immediately stripped it. > In an inspired moment (I'll get that d#$%@ed thing!) I took out my air > chisel, sellected a nice, flat blade and when after the screw head. Trying > to get a good purchase on the head I got a little off center & walla! The > chisel bit in & the screw turned! > > So... after a 1/2 a futile attempt at removing those screws under the light > on my 97 pc to put on those driving lights, out came the air chisel & very > gentily fanning the trigger & not hitting the plastic, the screws came out > almost immediately! Just barely touch the corner of the chisel so to turn > the screw, hold the tool in both hands ( I grab right onto the chisel. ) & > >>>>FAN<<<< the trigger and you've got a little impact wrench! > > John Bosworth > '97 PC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael D. Linkous > To: Pacific Coast > Date: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 11:43 PM > Subject: PC800: screw update > > > >Those screws under the headlight have to be the tighest screws I have ever > >seen. > > > >Several people e-mailed me asking why I was removing them. (I also learned > >that these do not have to be removed to change the headlight... thanks, > >guys) I am getting ready to install some driving lights from STA... the > >lights mount on a braket that uses those same two screw holes. > > > >After 'screwing' up the phillips head... I used a small pair of vice grips. > >All that did was chew up the head even more. I finally decided to use the > >Black and Decker Wizard that I got for Christmas. With a steady hand (not > >to touch the plastic) I made me a new slot. I STILL could not break those > >things loose. I stuck a pair of vice grips on the shaft of the screwdriver > >to give me extra leverage... finally made a loud pop and they broke loose. > > > >PC800 Rider... a.k.a. Tim Davies... has the lights and told me the kit > comes > >with new screws. It is a good thing! You destroy the old ones removing > >them. (FWIW.... the screws are $1.50 ea. at my Honda dealer). > > > > > >----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- > >Michael D. Linkous > >Bluefield, WV > >http://www.inetone.net/mlinkous > > > >-- > >Visit the PC800 web page at > >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "M Ham" To: "Leland C. Sheppard" Cc: "Selden Deemer" , "PC 800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Retainers Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 14:55:59 -0700 Leland wrote, > What did Roseville quote you for the parts? I can't remember what the price > was since mine was a warranty item. > They quoted me $9.82 for 4 of them. The guy I talk to said they came only in a set of 4. He wasn't sure but I believe that means 2 clip holders, (the part I need) and 2 clips. I'll see next week when the part comes in. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "M Ham" To: "Leland C. Sheppard" Cc: "Selden Deemer" , "PC 800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Retainers Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 15:01:07 -0700 Leland wrote, > What did Roseville quote you for the parts? I can't remember what the price > was since mine was a warranty item. > They quoted me $9.82 for 4 of them. The guy I talk to said they came only in a set of 4. He wasn't sure but I believe that means 2 clip holders, (the part I need) and 2 clips. I'll see next week when the part comes in. Mark Ham '96 Pacific Coast -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: sean perini To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: PC800: just got one Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 15:09:02 -0700 Hello all, Bought a '90 from a guy who apparently preferred waxing his PC in the = garage to riding (shiny and only 5K on the clock ... wonder if the oil = has ever been changed?). The bike's life is going to change - I'm a = daily commuter. Still wondering what this thing is worth - $3500 seems = high to me (but I liked it). Sean Perini perini@itsa.ucsf.edu San Francisco, California =20 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MJKasof@webtv.net (Madeleine Kasof) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 15:07:13 -0700 (PDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: thanks to david l. sigsbee hi david i received your mailing of thepc review many thanks for your generosity best regards joel kasof cupertino calif 99 aspencade (black beauty) 98 pc (wong wing) 98 helix (dollar saver 92 bmw k-1 (blue rocket) gwrra 121491 hrca 611068 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 17:32:40 -0500 From: Ralph Couey To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: shopping trip I have been worried of late at the degree to which my oil has blackened up only 1500 miles into this change. I talked to my friend "Ducati Man" at work and he agreed that the oil should not have gone black this soon. On his advice, I decided to change the oil again this weekend. So today I went down to Jefferson City to Larry's Honda and bought a filter. While I was there, I browsed his sales floor and saw, parked between a pair of ST1100's a beautiful red PC with only 3k on the clock. I didn't ask how much it was, but I looked it over carefully and it appears to be perfect in every way. I really like the Black over silver of my '95, but I have to admit the red looks pretty snappy! --Ralph -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 18:50:21 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: sean perini CC: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: Re: PC800: just got one sean perini wrote: > > Still wondering what this thing is worth - $3500 seems high to me (but I liked it). > You should have trouble sleeping tonight. You ought to be ashamed of taking advantage of the poor guy. Enjoy. PS. Change the oil before you take off. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 (Tar-Baby) 1974 Kawasaki Z1-A 900 (The Mistress) IronButt Association, 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: dwilkers@us.ibm.com To: Ralph Couey cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 19:25:06 -0400 Subject: PC800: blackened oil >>I have been worried of late at the degree to which my oil has blackened >>up only 1500 miles into this change. I talked to my friend "Ducati Man" My mechanic at the Honda shop told me not to worry about the oil going black. He said that the aluminum motorcycle engines make the oil go black almost immediately, and that I shouldn't be concerned . . this was after he tried to convince me to stick with the 8k oil change interval, but I'm going to do it every 4k anyway. Doug Wilkerson ..................................................................................................... IBM I/T Specialist, Digital Manufacturing Solutions Office: 205-972-7522 Mobile: 205-242-9076 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "R. Fenwick" To: Subject: Re: PC800: thanks to david l. sigsbee Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 20:09:45 -0500 I received my packet today also. Interesting reading. Thanks again. Rich Fenwick 1990 PC800L, 18,450 miles The "new" XPRES 2 ---------- > From: Madeleine Kasof > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: thanks to david l. sigsbee > Date: Saturday, July 03, 1999 5:07 PM > > > hi david > > i received your mailing of thepc review > > many thanks for your generosity > > best regards > > joel kasof cupertino calif > > 99 aspencade (black beauty) > 98 pc (wong wing) > 98 helix (dollar saver > 92 bmw k-1 (blue rocket) > > gwrra 121491 > hrca 611068 > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "R. Fenwick" To: Subject: Re: PC800: blackened oil Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 20:14:30 -0500 Hmmm. Interesting. After 2,100 miles (On a '90 with over 18,000 miles) my oil looks just as good as the day I put it in (6 weeks ago)... Could it be the fact that I'm a sucker and pay $3.00 a quart for the Honda oil? :-) Rich Fenwick 1990 PC800L, 18,450 miles The "new" XPRES 2 ---------- > From: dwilkers@us.ibm.com > To: Ralph Couey > Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: blackened oil > Date: Saturday, July 03, 1999 6:25 PM > > >>I have been worried of late at the degree to which my oil has blackened > >>up only 1500 miles into this change. I talked to my friend "Ducati Man" > > My mechanic at the Honda shop told me not to worry about the oil going black. > He said that the aluminum motorcycle engines make the oil go black almost > immediately, and that I shouldn't be concerned . . this was after he tried to > convince me to stick with the 8k oil change interval, but I'm going to do it > every 4k anyway. > > Doug Wilkerson > ............................................................................ ........................ > > IBM I/T Specialist, Digital Manufacturing Solutions > Office: 205-972-7522 Mobile: 205-242-9076 > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: SFXGroup@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 21:23:31 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: 98 PC800 For Sale To: rotary@viaduct.custom.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu How much and can we see some detailed pictures please? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 22:50:38 -0400 To: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re(2): PC800: Cover by Geza Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 11:38 AM -0400 7/3/99, PC800 Rider wrote: >srz@ntr.net writes: >>You have an address, phone, e-mail, or URL for Geeza? Thanks for >>the info! >>BTW, what color(s) do the covers come in? >> >>SZ > >They have a small ad in Rider magazine. The phone number is >703-934-5453. I've never seen any color other than black at any of >the motorcycle shows they attended. They are in Fairfax, VA and I >don't see a WWW address in the ad. > >Francois had some extra fabric sewn on for his larger Clearview >windshield so be sure to tell them if you have something bigger >than stock. Mention Francois' name for a 10% discount. > >Tim Davies- '98 Pacific Coast,"Yankee Smuggler" >Seneca Falls, New York 13148 > Hi everyone.... I've noticed a few posts about the Clearview Screen go by in the last week so I thought I would speak up again as to how much I like this cover. Tim provided the company phone number. I spoke with Tom of Geeza Gear and he was a very pleasant and well informed person when it came to the product and his knowledge of motorcycles... Tim Davies is correct, I did request an extra inch all around for the cover, but Tom of Geeza had assured me it would fit fine with the Clearview screen and without the extra material. Now that I have used the cover, I would agree that it doesn't need to be made larger. The material is so stretchy that it would have worked either way. They do not claim that the cover is waterproof, but it is exteremely water resistant. As an added bonus, the rain tends to bead up on the surface of the cover, like a recently waxed automobile hood. One quick snap of the stretchy material and the rain drops ran right off the cover. After a month of use I am still very happy with this cover, and have no problems recommending it to anyone. If you call Tom, and mention my name, he will take 10% off the list price. I can take a few pictures of the bike with the cover installed if anyone is interested. Let me know and I can email them to you or post them on a web page somewhere.... bye for now...ride safe fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ; id IAA01808 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "CJ Russell" To: "PC800 Rider" , "Francois Saint Laurent" Cc: Subject: Re: Re(2): PC800: Cover by Geza Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 09:23:27 -0400 Hi all, Francois - If possible I would appreciate a picture. I keep the bike in a garage at home but long days in the work parking lot make me concerned about the sun's rays and then there's rain & dust, plus my new Infinity speakers! BTW - Just ordered my Wong Wing, can't wait and hope this cover will work with the wing too! BTW2 - Could be interested in a second PC. Definately want white, is the 89 the only year that white was available? Happy 4th! CJ Russell 89PC 24,700 "Therapy" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EEPW96NQ; Sun, 04 Jul 1999 13:49:04 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: fsl@borgconsulting.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 00:04:46 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Cover by Geza From: Harvey P Sattin On Sat, 3 Jul 1999 22:50:38 -0400 Francois Saint Laurent writes: >I can take a few pictures of the bike with the cover installed if >anyone is >interested. Let me know and I can email them to you or post them on a >web >page somewhere.... Francois, I'd like to see the pics. I have taken lots of pictures of my PC's customizations that people have asked me about: Stereo, speakers, antenna, luggage rack, power outlets, reflective tape, clock, thermometer, brake light modulator, alarm, windshield, headlight modulator sensor, hot grips, Vista Cruise, key guard, tail light guard, lock, mirrors, PC Glovebox... Although I can email them, I'd like to upload them somewhere. ~Harvey Sattin Brookline, MA '98 PC800 ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 12:02:51 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: M Ham CC: PC 800 List Subject: Re: PC800: Motorcycle Fatalities in 1997 Hi Mark, M Ham wrote: > Found this information on the net regarding facts on motorcycle > fatalities in 1997 (US). This information came from the Insurance > Institute for Highway Safety. Just some interesting facts I wanted to > share with the list. I haven't seen that collection of info before. Thanks for posting it. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 135,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 12:01:59 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Jim Alexander CC: morttis@ix.netcom.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Clutch disk question ( N1-N2 ) Hi Jim, Jim Alexander wrote: > I think the clutches were the same parts as the Shadow clutches at first, > because when the shop compared the old plates with the new ones there were > significant differences (other than being new). They then later compared > my old plates with a Shadow they were working on and the plates were > identical. This does not prove my theory, but it seems to confirm it. snip... Supposedly, the PC clutch had one more plate in it than the Shadow (seven to the Shadow's six, as I recall) and had different surfacing materials on some of the plates. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 135,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 12:08:27 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: M Ham CC: Selden Deemer , PC 800 List Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Retainers Hi Mark, M Ham wrote: > They quoted me $9.82 for 4 of them. The guy I talk to said they came only > in a set of 4. He wasn't sure but I believe that means 2 clip holders, > (the part I need) and 2 clips. I'll see next week when the part comes in. That's the way mine came. The sockets on mine came with too wide a space between the two sides and thus wouldn't hold the post tightly. The new set had a much smaller opening between the sides of the socket just as the ones on my right fairing vent do (they have never been changed). I recall now the dealer saying, "about 10 bucks for the set." I just replaced all four and have never looked back - both vents hold tightly these days. FWIW, mine would work out about a quarter inch and sit there; it never came out all the way. I put up with it for a couple of years before I decided to replace them before my warranty ran out. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 135,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 12:13:36 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: sean perini CC: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: Re: PC800: just got one Hi Sean, sean perini wrote: > Bought a '90 from a guy who apparently preferred waxing his PC in the garage to riding (shiny and only 5K on the clock ... wonder if the oil has ever been changed?). The bike's life is going to change - I'm a daily commuter. Still wondering what this thing is worth - $3500 seems high to me (but I liked it). Wish I had known it was available for that price... (grin) I believe the blue book price is higher than that for a good '90. I'd like to have one of each color... Welcome to the ranks of PC owners and welcome to the list. It's a great bike. I'm a daily commuter too, year round, 95 miles per day - from Placerville to West Sacramento and back. Enjoy and ride safely. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 135,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 12:17:12 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Ralph Couey CC: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: shopping trip Hi Ralph, Ralph Couey wrote: > I have been worried of late at the degree to which my oil has blackened > up only 1500 miles into this change. I talked to my friend "Ducati Man" > at work and he agreed that the oil should not have gone black this > soon. On his advice, I decided to change the oil again this weekend. > So today I went down to Jefferson City to Larry's Honda and bought a > filter. While I was there, I browsed his sales floor and saw, parked > between a pair of ST1100's a beautiful red PC with only 3k on the > clock. I didn't ask how much it was, but I looked it over carefully and > it appears to be perfect in every way. I really like the Black over > silver of my '95, but I have to admit the red looks pretty snappy! That does sound a little strange - my oil is barely starting to turn at 4000 miles; at the recommended change interval (8000) it is black and ready to be changed. What kind of oil did you have in it? Was the red one a '90 or '96-'98? -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 135,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 12:32:24 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: rich@pdnt.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: blackened oil Hi Rich, R. Fenwick wrote: > Hmmm. Interesting. After 2,100 miles (On a '90 with over 18,000 miles) my > oil looks just as good as the day I put it in (6 weeks ago)... Could it be > the fact that I'm a sucker and pay $3.00 a quart for the Honda oil? :-) Mine looks just like yours. I use the Castrol GTX Motorcycle Oil; it too is $3 a quart. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 135,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 12:30:47 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: rich@pdnt.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: thanks to david l. sigsbee Hi David and Coasters, R. Fenwick wrote: > I received my packet today also. Interesting reading. Thanks again. Got mine Saturday as well. Just finished reading them. Thanks again, David. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 135,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 12:28:34 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: dwilkers@us.ibm.com CC: Ralph Couey , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: blackened oil Hi Doug, dwilkers@us.ibm.com wrote: > My mechanic at the Honda shop told me not to worry about the oil going black. > He said that the aluminum motorcycle engines make the oil go black almost > immediately, and that I shouldn't be concerned . . this was after he tried to > convince me to stick with the 8k oil change interval, but I'm going to do it > every 4k anyway. Interesting comments from the mechanic. The reason I decided to go to 8000 mile intervals (I changed it at 4000 the first few times) was because the oil was NOT black and, in fact, looked hardly used. At 8000 it is black and ready to be changed. I just went and checked my records: from 4000 to 16000 miles I changed it at 4000 mile intervals. I've been doing it at 8000 mile intervals ever since. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 135,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 17:44:56 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jim Alexander" To: "Leland C. Sheppard" Cc: , Subject: Re: PC800: Clutch disk question ( N1-N2 ) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 14:44:14 -0700 Leland, Like I said, I think something changed in the clutch after 1989 (or maybe during production of) because of what happened so quickly for my 1989. There may have been one more plate, but they might have changed the surface material as a result of the high rate of failure and I think that is why Honda was so nice about replacing it in my bike. It did take some prodding on my part to Honda customer service, but it resulted in first rate service finally. I just thought those with '89 PCs should be aware that it did happen to mine. After the repair (both the used clutch plates and the new ones put in during the stator repair) never had another problem slipping. -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Leland C. Sheppard To: Jim Alexander Cc: morttis@ix.netcom.com ; pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sunday, July 04, 1999 12:39 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Clutch disk question ( N1-N2 ) >Hi Jim, > >Jim Alexander wrote: > >> I think the clutches were the same parts as the Shadow clutches at first, >> because when the shop compared the old plates with the new ones there were >> significant differences (other than being new). They then later compared >> my old plates with a Shadow they were working on and the plates were >> identical. This does not prove my theory, but it seems to confirm it. > >snip... > >Supposedly, the PC clutch had one more plate in it than the Shadow >(seven to the >Shadow's six, as I recall) and had different surfacing materials on some >of the >plates. > >-- >Leland >'94 Pacific Coast >"Black Beauty" >135,000 miles > >Mother of all tupperware parties: > http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html > > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 19:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 19:32:03 EDT Subject: PC800: Oil To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Most petroleum based oils degrade 60% the first few hundred miles of use. Blended oils, synthetic with petroleum, don't really do much better. But either of these oils are capable of adequately protecting an engine for three to four thousand miles. A synthetic oil has only a marginal advantage over a petroleum oil during normal operating conditions, excepting when starting the engine. Synthetic oils excel when running in extreme temperatures or situations. The color of the oil has little to do with indicating its ability to lubricate the engine. Engine oil does a number of things other than lubricate. It cleans the engine, and also acts as a coolant. The darker the oil gets the more effectively it is cleaning the engine. The combustion phenomenon creates carbon. A good oil will remove carbon from the engine and help prevent carbon buildup. Heat breaks down oil destroying its ability to lubricate. Now that I have written this I will continue change my Mobil One every three thousand miles. It probably doesn't help the PC, but it makes me feel better. Something about the love affair between man and machine. The same reason you bring your wife flowers. Bernie 94 PC 54K Overland Park, KS -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Desmond Cockburn To: rich@pdnt.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: blackened oil Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 18:36:42 PDT Rich, I agree with you, I use Honda GN 4 and Honda filters and my oil looks almost as good at oil change time as the day I pour it in. Wonder if I could save this and use it in my Craftsman V twin mower ? Nah, probably not, hehe. >Hmmm. Interesting. After 2,100 miles (On a '90 with over 18,000 miles) my >oil looks just as good as the day I put it in (6 weeks ago)... Could it be >the fact that I'm a sucker and pay $3.00 a quart for the Honda oil? :-) Des 95 PC, Dream Weaver Okmulgee, Ok. "When reality looks too ugly, just fantasize. It can't hurt." Jimmy Buffett _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Desmond Cockburn To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Motorcycle Fatalities in 1997 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 18:45:22 PDT Snip, snip. > > Found this information on the net regarding facts on motorcycle > > fatalities in 1997 (US). This information came from the Insurance > > Institute for Highway Safety. > > >I haven't seen that collection of info before. Thanks for posting it. Gang, I would be a little suspect of this information, not saying that the stats are not true but the one word that puts a slant on it is the word "Insurance". There is another report from the National Highway Traffic Safety Commission, or something like that, that just presents the pure data. I have the URL around here somewhere and will post it once I find it. I believe the one thing that would give the whole insurance industry the greatest joy is to see motorcycles completely off the highways and out of production. My opinion only mind you. Des 95 PC, Dream Weaver Okmulgee, Ok. "When reality looks too ugly, just fantasize. It can't hurt." Jimmy Buffett _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "The Broekings" To: Subject: PC800: PC in Butt Lite Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 22:47:24 -0400 Importance: Normal http://www.teamstrange.com/buttlite/reports/july4.html As you know, a PC successfully completed the Ironbutt and now Pauline (remember she introduced herself last week or so) is riding the Butt Lite (5000 miles in 5 days). There is a picture of ehr and her PC at the web site above. Bob Bob Broeking http://whitespider.aawsom.net 98 Honda PC...Daytona 99/WinterSS1000/99 Cap1000 broeking@erols.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 22:26:10 -0500 From: Ralph Couey To: Desmond Cockburn CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Motorcycle Fatalities in 1997 > Gang, I would be a little suspect of this information, not saying that the > stats are not true but the one word that puts a slant on it is the word > "Insurance". I agree. I spent some time today trying to retrace a NHTSA report which listed fatalities per 100,000 miles driven and motorcycles led the list with the lowest rate. In the report that was posted on this list, the causes of all those bike accidents were also listed. Things like alcohol, drugs, speeding, no licenses (and hence no training) seemed to be the leading causes. I would submit that regardless of how many laws states and the feds pass, nobody will ever be able to control outright stupidity in the operation of any motor vehicle, regardless of the number of wheels. And the number of outright stupid bikers is probably no different than the number of outright stupid cagers. -Ralph Couey Columbia, MO Hater of statistics -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PengnFan@aol.com for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 23:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 23:38:39 EDT Subject: PC800: Rear Suspension Settings To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hi everyone, Excuse my newbie question, but just got a new used '97 PC800 with 2400 miles on it and in immaculate condition 3 weeks ago, but have a "stupid question". The only modification is had the Honda backrest installed. Read the owners manual but how do you know what setting the left shock absorber is set at ? Not sure how to tell which is setting number 1 thru 4. Want to set it for a heavier load when riding w/my wife and carrying full trunk load. Just not sure on which one it is . Thanks in advance for helping a newbie. Bill Drake 9'7 PC 800 Bolingbrook, IL -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 00:27:35 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: PC800: Geeza pictures posted.... Hello everyone... I was able to get a few pictures of the Geeza cover installed on my bike today. Check out http://www.magma.ca/~fsl/geeza.html for a look at the cover from the front, side, and rear. I basically slapped these shots into a web page in 30 seconds or less, so if anyone has a problem seeing them please let me know, and I can fix tem up and re-post them as needed. bye for now.. fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 00:31:57 -0400 To: BernieK469@aol.com From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Oil Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 7:32 PM -0400 7/4/99, BernieK469@aol.com wrote: >Now that I have written this I will continue change my Mobil One every three >thousand miles. It probably doesn't help the PC, but it makes me feel >better. Something about the love affair between man and machine. The same >reason you bring your wife flowers. > >Bernie >94 PC 54K >Overland Park, KS > Hey Bernie!!! Does this mean you bring your wife flowers at least as often as you get the oil changed? Or do you love one of them more than the other..... ;-) fsl p.s. Reminds me of a funny incident on a plane. The flight attendant was explaining the use of the oxygen mask, should it drop down in front of you during flight. She said "Take the mask, and place it over your mouth and nose, and breathe normally. If you are travelling with a small child, put your mask on first then place another mask over your childs mouth. If you are travelling with two or more small children, decide now which one you love the most." (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 23:42:38 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: PengnFan@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Rear Suspension Settings PengnFan@aol.com wrote: > Read the owners manual but how do you know what setting the left shock > absorber is set at ? Not sure how to tell which is setting number 1 thru 4. > > Want to set it for a heavier load when riding w/my wife and carrying full > trunk load. > Just not sure on which one it is . > The easiest one is the softest and the one you have to give blood for is the firm one. The blood letter is the longest notch. Or the tallest. Or the one that hangs down the most. Good luck. I'm sure I was a great help. :-} -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 (Tar-Baby) 1974 Kawasaki Z1-A 900 (The Mistress) IronButt Association, 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 00:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 00:51:20 EDT Subject: PC800: On the Road Again To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hi, All: I'm off for a few weeks riding around Montana and Wyoming. I'll be off the list while I'm gone. Check with you all when I get back. J.T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 00:12:52 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Ralph Couey CC: Desmond Cockburn , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Motorcycle Fatalities in 1997 Hi Ralph, Ralph Couey wrote: > I spent some time today trying to retrace a NHTSA report which > listed fatalities per 100,000 miles driven and motorcycles led the list > with the lowest rate. I thought that was what I had heard too. Glad you brought it up. > In the report that was posted on this list, the > causes of all those bike accidents were also listed. Things like > alcohol, drugs, speeding, no licenses (and hence no training) seemed to > be the leading causes. Interesting. > I would submit that regardless of how many laws > states and the feds pass, nobody will ever be able to control outright > stupidity in the operation of any motor vehicle, regardless of the > number of wheels. And the number of outright stupid bikers is probably > no different than the number of outright stupid cagers. > That's a fact... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 135,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 00:21:11 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: The Broekings CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: PC in Butt Lite Hi Bob, The Broekings wrote: > As you know, a PC successfully completed the Ironbutt and now Pauline > (remember she introduced herself last week or so) is riding the Butt Lite > (5000 miles in 5 days). Is the PC that completed the Iron Butt ridden by anyone we know? -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 135,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 00:31:56 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: PengnFan@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Rear Suspension Settings Hi Bill, PengnFan@aol.com wrote: > Read the owners manual but how do you know what setting the left shock > absorber is set at ? Not sure how to tell which is setting number 1 thru 4. Welcome to the ranks of PC owners and to the list. We just talked about this subject within the past couple of weeks. Unfortunately, I've just had a senior moment and can't remember which end of the adjustments is which. I think that the lowest setting is the stiffest. In other words if you turn the shock so that the "pin" (for lack of a better term) is in the slot closest to the ground, that will be the stiffest you can make the PC suspension. You can look up under the left saddle bag when the bike is on the center stand and see which slot it is resting in. I keep mine in the third highest slot (second to the softest setting, I think) and that works pretty well for me riding solo and two-up with my wife. Hope that helps. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 135,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 00:36:30 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Francois Saint Laurent CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Geeza pictures posted.... Hi Francois, Francois Saint Laurent wrote: > I was able to get a few pictures of the Geeza cover installed on my bike > today. Check out snip... Thanks for posting them. Looks good to me! -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 135,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 07:08:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Modulators save bikes Knowing that traffic in mid-town Atlanta would be horrible, we rode over to Buckhead last night for the annual fireworks extravaganza. On the way back, while sitting in traffic so snarled that the cooling fan was cycling at 10:00 at night, we were behind a red pickup truck with speakers blaring, and a driver who felt he needed to rev his engine while sitting still in traffic. Just as I started to pass him as the road widened from 2 to 3 lanes, he decided to make the same maneuver. I hit the horn, which is wired into the flash circuit of my Signal Dynamics headlight modulator. Given the volume of the hip hop music in the truck, he might never have noticed the horn, but the combination of sound and flashing lights got his attention, and he pulled back in line. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Selden Deemer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 07:21:28 -0400 Subject: PC800: July 4th Toys for Tots Ride To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) Hi All, I survived the Fourth of July Toys for Tots ride in the Southern Tier of New York State/Northern Tier of Pennsylvania. There were estimated to be over 1,000 motorcycles on the tour that lasted from 10 AM to 11 PM. Since I had to leave home at 6:30 AM to drive the 1 1/2 hours to get to the starting point at the Elmira-Corning Airport I decided not to say till 11 PM for the fireworks. I did get to see some of them though as I was on my way home. It was HOT (94F) and HUMID (a bizzilion percent) from the time I hit the road at 6:30 AM until I got home at 11 PM. I have lobster arms that I need to spend today trying to get the rest of me to match:-) It was an especially nice way to celebrate the 4th of July, riding over 200 miles with cool new toys strapped to every imaginable (and some I couldn't imagine) motorcycle. Great fun in spite of the heat. Out of all those in attendance there were only TWO of us on Pacific Coasts! I did my usual PC800 duty of informing him about this list and the web site so he should be arriving here shortly. We bopth fielded the usual questions bout our unusual motorcycles. I made up some cool (IMHO) business cards for Americade with all the list and web site info printed on the back so it makes it easy to impart this info to other Coasters even if I don't see them face to face. This one had a 1989 from Pennsylvania and he is the third owner. Of course I neglected to get his name, but I guess the heat does that to me. I should have used the Francois techinique of transforming half my storage area into a giant beverage cooler. I really could have used it. Tim Davies- '98 Pacific Coast,"Yankee Smuggler" Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 07:27:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: Blackened oil "Leland C. Sheppard" writes: > I just went and checked my records: from 4000 to 16000 miles I > changed it at 4000 mile intervals. I've been doing it at 8000 mile > intervals ever since. This strikes me as somewhat long. I've never changed the oil on any motor vehicle at this long an interval, especially not a motorcycle. I plan to use a 4-5000 mile interval between oil changes, or once a year, whichever comes first. With two bikes, I'm finding that the miles don't roll up as fast on either. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Selden Deemer, Library Systems Administrator PHONE: 404-727-0271 Emory University Libraries FAX: 404-727-0053 Atlanta, Georgia EMAIL: libssd@emory.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jim Randall" To: , "PC800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: One Good turn deserves another Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 07:32:28 -0400 Chuck, it's quite easy to disable this feature if you wish to do so. Simply find and disconnect the sensor on the speedometer. Without this input, the microprocessor thinks the bike is sitting still and will leave the signal on until you turn it off. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Chuck Young To: The PC800 List Date: Saturday, July 03, 1999 7:38 AM Subject: PC800: One Good turn deserves another >Thanks Guys, > > >For all your input on my "turning question"... >I now understand that it's just the nature of the beast. No problem...I >still love the bike. And I'll take all your suggestions under >consideration.....well, short of Dana's suggestion of selling my 1990 and >getting a newer one that doesn't have that feature. Thanks anyway Dana, >but I'm afraid I'm too married to afford to buy a newer one :) Maybe next >year....ha ha > >Have a great weekend everyone ! > > >Chuck Young >1990 PC800 LTD (Livin' The Dream) >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jim Randall" To: "PC800 List" Subject: Fw: PC800: blackened oil Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 07:45:16 -0400 Hopefully this won't start up the "dreaded oil thread" again but my understanding of the reason oil turns black is the presence of suspended particles and combustion by-products. An oil with a good detergent system will keep these in suspension so that they are removed from the engine with oil changes sooooo, an oil that turns black is not necessarily "bad". It may very well be a good thing. Also, running your engine with the choke on will tend to create more combustion by products. The overly rich mixture burns "sooty" and some of this will end up in the oil. Also, a rich mixture tends to wash the microfilm of oil off the cylinder walls and can increase ring/cylinder wear. For this reason I follow the maxim of using the minimum amount of choke to get the bike going and I turn it off as soon as I can. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: R. Fenwick To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Saturday, July 03, 1999 8:17 PM Subject: Re: PC800: blackened oil >Hmmm. Interesting. After 2,100 miles (On a '90 with over 18,000 miles) my >oil looks just as good as the day I put it in (6 weeks ago)... Could it be >the fact that I'm a sucker and pay $3.00 a quart for the Honda oil? :-) > >Rich Fenwick >1990 PC800L, 18,450 miles >The "new" XPRES 2 > >---------- >> From: dwilkers@us.ibm.com >> To: Ralph Couey >> Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >> Subject: PC800: blackened oil >> Date: Saturday, July 03, 1999 6:25 PM >> >> >>I have been worried of late at the degree to which my oil has blackened >> >>up only 1500 miles into this change. I talked to my friend "Ducati >Man" >> >> My mechanic at the Honda shop told me not to worry about the oil going >black. >> He said that the aluminum motorcycle engines make the oil go black almost >> immediately, and that I shouldn't be concerned . . this was after he >tried to >> convince me to stick with the 8k oil change interval, but I'm going to do >it >> every 4k anyway. >> >> Doug Wilkerson >> >........................................................................... . >........................ >> >> IBM I/T Specialist, Digital Manufacturing Solutions >> Office: 205-972-7522 Mobile: 205-242-9076 >> >> >> -- >> Visit the PC800 web page at >> To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >> message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >> To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "The Broekings" To: "Leland C. Sheppard" Cc: Subject: RE: PC800: PC in Butt Lite Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 08:13:28 -0400 Importance: Normal It was ridden by Bob ray from AL. I do not think he was on th elist as he bought it only weeks before the rally! :-) Then sold it after the rally... Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: Leland C. Sheppard [mailto:lcshepp@directcon.net] > Sent: Monday, July 05, 1999 12:21 AM > To: The Broekings > Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: PC800: PC in Butt Lite > > > Hi Bob, > > The Broekings wrote: > > > As you know, a PC successfully completed the Ironbutt and now Pauline > > (remember she introduced herself last week or so) is riding the > Butt Lite > > (5000 miles in 5 days). > > Is the PC that completed the Iron Butt ridden by anyone we know? > > -- > Leland > '94 Pacific Coast > "Black Beauty" > 135,000 miles > > Mother of all tupperware parties: > http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html > > > > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Edwards" To: "PC800" , Subject: PC800: Ref: Geeza pictures posted.... Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 05:28:39 -0700 Good pictures of the cover, no problem viewing them. I have a question, what is that protruding on top of the front engine = guards? Inquiring Minds wants to know... Will -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 08:28:17 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: Edwards CC: PC800 , fsl@borgconsulting.com Subject: Re: PC800: Ref: Geeza pictures posted.... Edwards wrote: > Good pictures of the cover, no problem viewing them.I have a > question, what is that protruding on top of the front engine > guards?Inquiring Minds wants to know... Deer whistles. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 (Tar-Baby) 1974 Kawasaki Z1-A 900 (The Mistress) IronButt Association, 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 09:53:14 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jim Alexander" To: "Leland C. Sheppard" , "The Broekings" Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: PC in Butt Lite Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 06:43:08 -0700 There is more than one PC that has been in an Iron Butt. The first one was by Garve Nelson, who is an older gentleman from the San Francisco Bay area and retired owner of Pineapple Honda in Oakland. He rode a PC in the '93 Iron Butt at 69 years old and finished. He was the oldest participant in the Iron Butt Rally. Here is an snip from the Iron Butt web page @ www.ironbutt.com: Oldest Rider to complete the Iron Butt Rally: In 1993, 69 years old Garve Nelson beat his own record (he was 67 years old in when he finished the 1991 rally. At 71 years old, Garve Nelson also finished the 1995 Iron Butt Rally but was disqualified for lending another rider his identification towel. Further down the page in the details it shows that 1991 he rode a 1985 VT1100 then in 1993 he rode the PC800. In 1995 he also rode a PC800, but as it indicates he was disqualified. Having met Garve (who is not on this list), I can tell you he is one interesting individual. I was working tech inspection one year for the Cal 24 rally in Turlock California and Garve showed up. He was a rather quiet man but once you got him talking he had some real unique experiences to tell. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Leland C. Sheppard >> As you know, a PC successfully completed the Ironbutt and now Pauline >> (remember she introduced herself last week or so) is riding the Butt Lite >> (5000 miles in 5 days). > >Is the PC that completed the Iron Butt ridden by anyone we know? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: dwilkers@us.ibm.com To: Selden Deemer cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 09:56:03 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Blackened oil >>This strikes me as somewhat long. I've never changed the oil on any >>motor vehicle at this long an interval, especially not a motorcycle. >>I plan to use a 4-5000 mile interval between oil changes, or once a >>year, whichever comes first. With two bikes, I'm finding that the >>miles don't roll up as fast on either. Newer Mercedes-Benz vehicles can go from 10-15k between service intervals (including oil changes). I didn't take my car in to it's first service until the 12,000 mile mark, like the on-board computer said. Apparently, the on-board computer monitors the oil, your driving habits, etc., and then lets you know when it's time to take the car in. It just about freaked me out to not take the car in every 3-5000 miles, but my dealer assured me that this was normal. So, I'll have over 20,000 miles on my car before it gets its second oil change! My point is, there is no hard-and-fast rule for oil changes. I'll probably stick to the 4k mile interval for my PC, because I can't get it out of my head that constant running between 4-5k RPM would benefit from more-frequent oil changes. Doug Wilkerson ..................................................................................................... IBM I/T Specialist, Digital Manufacturing Solutions Office: 205-972-7522 Mobile: 205-242-9076 Selden Deemer on 07/05/99 07:27:42 AM ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC 800 List cc: (bcc: Doug Wilkerson/Birmingham/IBM) Subject: PC800: Re: Blackened oil "Leland C. Sheppard" writes: > I just went and checked my records: from 4000 to 16000 miles I > changed it at 4000 mile intervals. I've been doing it at 8000 mile > intervals ever since. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Selden Deemer, Library Systems Administrator PHONE: 404-727-0271 Emory University Libraries FAX: 404-727-0053 Atlanta, Georgia EMAIL: libssd@emory.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 09:02:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Miller Subject: PC800: Oil Change Intervals To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Guys (and gals), while most of us think we are experts, I really doubt if any of us know more about oil change intervals as the engineers at Honda. I'm sure they have studied the topic scientifically (I have dealt with Honda engineers on many occasions), and they would not want us to harm our engines. I'm going to stick with what they recommend (unless they have an alterior motive, like recommending Honda brand oil). If I knew that lots of people who follow the manufacturer's instructions were having oil-related problems, then I might change it more frequently. I do not believe that this is the case. Changing your oil any more frequently than Honda recommends is just a waste of your time and money, IMHO. But hey, its a free country. I'm sure lots of people want to feel like they are pampering their machines, which can make the experience of ownership more pleasing for them. I'd much rather ride my PC than work on it. Unless it needs some work, of course! If I ever need to buy another PC, I'll try to get it from one of you people who change your oil every 4,000 miles. hehe Tony --- dwilkers@us.ibm.com wrote: > > > > >>This strikes me as somewhat long. I've never > changed the oil on any > >>motor vehicle at this long an interval, especially > not a motorcycle. > >>I plan to use a 4-5000 mile interval between oil > changes, or once a > >>year, whichever comes first. With two bikes, I'm > finding that the > >>miles don't roll up as fast on either. > > Newer Mercedes-Benz vehicles can go from 10-15k > between service intervals > (including oil changes). I didn't take my car in to > it's first service until > the 12,000 mile mark, like the on-board computer > said. Apparently, the on-board > computer monitors the oil, your driving habits, > etc., and then lets you know > when it's time to take the car in. > > It just about freaked me out to not take the car in > every 3-5000 miles, but my > dealer assured me that this was normal. > > So, I'll have over 20,000 miles on my car before it > gets its second oil change! > > My point is, there is no hard-and-fast rule for oil > changes. I'll probably > stick to the 4k mile interval for my PC, because I > can't get it out of my head > that constant running between 4-5k RPM would benefit > from more-frequent oil > changes. > > Doug Wilkerson > ..................................................................................................... > > IBM I/T Specialist, Digital Manufacturing Solutions > Office: 205-972-7522 Mobile: 205-242-9076 > > > > > Selden Deemer on 07/05/99 > 07:27:42 AM > > To: PC 800 List > cc: (bcc: Doug Wilkerson/Birmingham/IBM) > Subject: PC800: Re: Blackened oil > > > > > > "Leland C. Sheppard" writes: > > > I just went and checked my records: from 4000 to > 16000 miles I > > changed it at 4000 mile intervals. I've been doing > it at 8000 mile > > intervals ever since. > > === My homepage URL is http://members.tripod.com/~tlmiller/ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 09:05:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Miller Subject: Re: PC800: Rear Suspension Settings To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu The stiffest one would be the one that compresses the spring the most. I haven't adjusted mine since I bought it (I keep it on the stiffest setting since I weigh 200 lbs. and ride two up a lot), so I don't remember how well you can see up in there. I just remember it was kind of a pain to adjust. Tony --- Steve Wilson wrote: > PengnFan@aol.com wrote: > > > Read the owners manual but how do you know what > setting the left shock > > absorber is set at ? Not sure how to tell which > is setting number 1 thru 4. > > > > Want to set it for a heavier load when riding w/my > wife and carrying full > > trunk load. > > Just not sure on which one it is . > > > > The easiest one is the softest and the one you have > to give blood for is the > firm one. The blood letter is the longest notch. Or > the tallest. Or the one that > hangs down the most. Good luck. I'm sure I was a > great help. :-} > -- > Steve Wilson Ruston LA. > > Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care > Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer > 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck > Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 (Tar-Baby) > 1974 Kawasaki Z1-A 900 (The Mistress) > IronButt Association, 7/98 SS1000 > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe > pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to > pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > === My homepage URL is http://members.tripod.com/~tlmiller/ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 13:16:15 -0300 To: Tony Miller , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: Oil Change Intervals Tony: On almost all topics, I agree that the Honda recommendations are best. However the recommended oil change interval for the PC is just so rediculously long that it's inconvenient to remember to do it that infrequently. However, oil change interval is a religious subject and as such no one is going to convince anyone of the RIGHT WAY. Oil oxidizes and deteriorates with time as well as mileage, so, for me, I change the oil in the spring and fall. Your, as the saying goes, mileage may vary. You can get a feel for how often different owners change their oil by going to the PC maint/repair database, selecting the Maint subsystem, and doing a search on details containing "oil" (no quotes.) The database is at: http://noc.dal.ca/~daniel/pc-maint/ -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 12:39:23 -0400 To: BernieK469@aol.com From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Geeza pictures posted.... Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >In a message dated 05/07/99 4:26:54 AM, fsl@borgconsulting.com writes: > ><> > >Looks good. I got to get one of those. How small a package does it wrap into >for traveling? > >Bernie Good question..... I've just updated the page referenced above with a picture of the Geeza cover in the supplied bag, next to a familiar item for a size reference. The bag was $129, but Tom from Geeza says he will give a 10% discount to anyone who mentions my name. bye for now... fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 12:51:21 -0400 To: "Edwards" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: PC800: Re: Ref: Geeza pictures posted.... Cc: "PC800" At 8:28 AM -0400 7/5/99, Edwards wrote: >Good pictures of the cover, no problem viewing them. >I have a question, what is that protruding on top of the front engine guards? >Inquiring Minds wants to know... > >Will Good eye! Those are the Deer Whistles that the dealer installed on the PC800 prior to my arrival. I don't want to start up the old "do they work?" deer whistle thread, but I can tell you from experience that I have had 6 close calls with deer this season alone,. and I had just recently cleaned them out so they were 'functional'. . Based on the installation instructions for these, I suspect they don't work. They need to be on the front of the vehicle, ahead of anything else, and at least 20 inches apart. There can't be any obsturctions between them either. (like the fairing, headlight, engine, forks, front wheel, etc.) ride safe... fsl :-) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) At 8:28 AM -0400 7/5/99, Edwards wrote: Times_New_RomanGood pictures of the cover, no problem viewing them. I have a question, what is that protruding on top of the front engine guards? Inquiring Minds wants to know... Times_New_RomanWill Times_New_Roman Good eye! Those are the Deer Whistles that the dealer installed on the PC800 prior to my arrival. I don't want to start up the old "do they work?" deer whistle thread, but I can tell you from experience that I have had 6 close calls with deer this season alone,. and I had just recently cleaned them out so they were 'functional'. . Based on the installation instructions for these, I suspect they don't work. They need to be on the front of the vehicle, ahead of anything else, and at least 20 inches apart. There can't be any obsturctions between them either. (like the fairing, headlight, engine, forks, front wheel, etc.) ride safe... fsl :-) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 14:27:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Grant Subject: PC800: Ron trip report Canada To: PCUSA M/Cgroup Cc: Gerald Rodgers Hi! Latest sent to SERVAS www site today, can read in a few days. === Ron Grant ....somewhere on the road.... ...now in Sunny ALBERTA!!.....9 degrees c. today! ultspnch@yahoo.com Stories...http://pages.intnet.mu/servas/rontour.html _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 18:04:15 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 18:03:52 -0400 From: dana sawyer Subject: PC800: Bike Cover To: HondaPacificCoastOwners charset=ISO-8859-1 Folks have been commenting about the Geeza bike cover. I tried one on my bike at Road Atlanta last month. I wasn't happy with the coverage for the size, which is considerably more= bulky than my EZ Traveler cover. For what it's worth... Dana P.S. They seem to work well on sport bikes... -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve Zweigart" To: "Pacific Coast List" , "Francois Saint Laurent" Subject: Re: PC800: Geeza pictures posted.... Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 19:51:39 -0400 It's a piece of art! What is the cost on the cover - with the Saint Laurent Discount? Thanks for posting the photo! Steve Zweigart Maysville, Kentucky '97PC800 ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Francois Saint Laurent To: Sent: Monday, 05 July 1999 00:27 Subject: PC800: Geeza pictures posted.... > Hello everyone... > > I was able to get a few pictures of the Geeza cover installed on my bike > today. Check out > > http://www.magma.ca/~fsl/geeza.html > > for a look at the cover from the front, side, and rear. I basically > slapped these shots into a web page in 30 seconds or less, so if anyone has > a problem seeing them please let me know, and I can fix tem up and re-post > them as needed. > > > bye for now.. > > fsl > > (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) > > Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 > Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda > > HSTA Member Number 7470 > > (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve Zweigart" To: "Pacific Coast List" , "dana sawyer" Subject: Re: PC800: Bike Cover Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 19:58:35 -0400 Ok, Dana... Before I call Geeza, who makes the EZ Traveler? Steve Zweigart Maysville, Kentucky "97 PC800 ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: dana sawyer To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Sent: Monday, 05 July 1999 18:03 Subject: PC800: Bike Cover > Folks have been commenting about the Geeza bike cover. > > I tried one on my bike at Road Atlanta last month. > > I wasn't happy with the coverage for the size, which is considerably more > bulky than my EZ Traveler cover. > > For what it's worth... > > Dana > > P.S. They seem to work well on sport bikes... > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 20:07:53 -0400 To: dana sawyer From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Bike Cover Cc: HondaPacificCoastOwners At 6:03 PM -0400 7/5/99, dana sawyer wrote: >Folks have been commenting about the Geeza bike cover. > >I tried one on my bike at Road Atlanta last month. > >I wasn't happy with the coverage for the size, which is considerably more >bulky than my EZ Traveler cover. > >For what it's worth... > >Dana > Agreed... I looked at the covers available at Americade this year, and there were several that were smaller once packed away. There was one that would have probably fit in the left hand storage pocket of the PC800. It all depends on your needs. I wanted something that would breathe, so if I left it in the sun it wouldn't damage the paint. I like the stretchiness of it sinc eI don't allways have the Givi box on my bike. I also like the stretchiness since I can leave my helmet and jacket on the seat, away from prying eyes.... I also wanted something that wouldn't flap in the wind when trailering, and that was soft so that it wouldn't damage the bike if it rubbed against it. I had a very nice compact nylon cover for my previous bike. It folded up really small, fit really well, and was inexpensive, but the paint on my gas tank started to wear off from the wind when I used to park outside. It also caused the seat to 'cook' on a hot day, and one day the seat just cracked when I got on the bike. (Please refrain from commenting!) But...for all those features, I did pay for it. The small nylon cover was $39 at Americade. This Geeza was $129. fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 20:10:08 -0400 To: "Steve Zweigart" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Geeza pictures posted.... Cc: "Pacific Coast List" At 7:51 PM -0400 7/5/99, Steve Zweigart wrote: >It's a piece of art! What is the cost on the cover - with the Saint Laurent >Discount? Thanks for posting the photo! > >Steve Zweigart >Maysville, Kentucky >'97PC800 > The cover is $129US plus shipping. The discount is %10, so I guess that makes the cover about $117 plus tax and shipping. fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 21:26:49 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 21:26:04 -0400 From: dana sawyer Subject: PC800: EZ Traveler Bike Cover To: HondaPacificCoastOwners charset=ISO-8859-1 I have an EZ Touring "Traveler" cover, which I've used for a number of years. I have a Givi rack and 50-litre Maxia top box, and the cover will cover from the fairing back over the top box. It has a shock cord and plastic hook on either side, which I hook down under the body plastic below the footpegs. It packs into a small bag (7" long x 5" diameter) which I carry in the front of the lower section of my RKA tank bag. I tried a Geeza cover and returned it. Dana P.S. Contact EZ Touring - a Division of John Dempsey Company, Box 1576, Rancho Santa Fe, California 92067. Another address - not sure which is correct - 1429 Trabert Ranch Road, Encinitias CA 92024; 619/944-1223; 1/800/443-1443. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 22:20:01 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: K&N filter My dealer still as the K&N for the PC for $45 delivered. McKinney Honda. (318)255-6777 Ask for parts and tell them that that is the price Tommy quoted me, Steve Wilson, and they will fix you up. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 (Tar-Baby) 1974 Kawasaki Z1-A 900 (The Mistress) IronButt Association, 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 23:14:13 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Roger Nash Subject: PC800: Weekend Ride Thought you might enjoy this account of my bike trip from the plains of Kansas to the Colorado foothills this weekend. I am a firm believer in ridding at least 40 miles before breakfast so I left before sunrise on Saturday morning riding my 1994 Honda Pacific Coast . After a quick bite at the arches I set out on I-70 heading West. About 11 miles from my planned gas stop in Limon Colorado the bike rolled to a stop. Out of gas! I sat there wondering what happened since I was only at the 150 mile mark and had never been close to running out at that point. I concluded three things had conspired against me, the increasing elevation, the higher speed limit, and the strong head winds. About a hundred cars sped by me but I am happy to say, the first motorcyclist sopped. He was from Indiana and was ridding a new Moto Guzzi. I will forgive him for looking at my PC and asking "what is that?" since he offered to fetch me some gasoline. The only container I had was a 16oz water bottle but I figured that would be just enough to get me to the pumps. After he left, two more bikers stopped to offer assistance, both on Gold Wings pulling trailers. When he returned with the bottle of fuel I set out for the gas pumps and the Moto Guzzi rider took off on his way. Normally, that little bit of fuel should have been enough to make the 11 miles but with the head winds, I was once again stranded three miles from the well. Once again, the first biker to come by stopped and offered to take me to get gas, another Gold Wing rider pulling a huge trailer. This time it didn't take as long and I was fueled up an on my way once again. Thanks a million to these two good Samaritans. You really do meet the nicest people on a bike. While in Denver an older gentleman approached and asked me about the bike. With a gleam in his eye he told me about an old Indian Motorcycle he had when he was a young man working on the farms. It had no lights and was missing the kick start lever. He told about how he had to push it to get going. Eventually, the law took the old Indian from him since he had no license for it. At 79 years of age he still remembers the fun he had on that old bike. After leaving Denver Sunday evening I headed down 1-25 to Pueblo and spent the evening with friends there. Monday afternoon I headed out East on hwy. 50. The temperature. were high 90's I guess and the wind was very gusty. The PC handles great even in these conditions. You can bet I was a lot more careful about my gas stops this time. I was wearing my Joe Rocket ballistic jacket and Nolan N-100 Helmet, two great accessories. The jacket vent system worked well even in these temperatures. I found that by opening the sleeves and catching the wind a refreshing cool blast of air would flow past my arms. The Nolan helmet has a great vent system and is always comfortable even after all day. The other accessory I appreciated was my NEP cruise control. It really gives the wrist a rest on those long highway trips. As I got closer to home the sky darked and I ran into some rain. I think I would have stayed dry in this light rain on the PC even without my rain suit pants. As a bonus, I did get to see some pretty spectacular lightening. To top off the trip, three minutes after pulling into my garage the skies opened up and a torrential downpour began. It was a great close to a fun weekend. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. 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-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 07:57:22 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: New 1998 PC for sale To: lovik@writeme.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) lovik@writeme.com writes: >Found in > > > >1998 PC800 PACIFIC COAST, full coverage fairing, cavernous weather >tight trunk, shaft drive, torque-y liquid cooled V-twin, low maint >touring machine, wide comfortable saddle for 2, save $1,700, 3 yr >factory warranty. Now $6,999 plus freight & set up. ST. JOHNS >TRUCK & EQUIPMENT. 503-286-8336. Portland, Or >Location: Portland, OR Don't you just love these people who are trying to sell a Pacific Coast for more than the retail price? This is especially cute since it starts out by telling me I'm actually saving $1,700! According to New York State mathmatics a $6,699 motorcycle being sold for $6,999+ does not give you a $1,700 savings. Must be Oregon uses some special West Coast math:-) Tim Davies- '98 Pacific Coast,"Yankee Smuggler" Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: Re: PC800: Weekend Ride Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 08:30:06 -0400 Thanks for the post....always like a good, entertaining "virtual" ride! Steve Zweigart Maysville, Kentucky '97 PC 800 ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Nash To: Sent: Monday, 05 July 1999 23:14 Subject: PC800: Weekend Ride > Thought you might enjoy this account of my bike trip from the plains of > Kansas to the Colorado foothills this weekend -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 10:11:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Battlax up front I sent a note to Kent Polk this morning about mileage and inflation pressure for a Bridgestone Battlax BT50 as a front tire on a PC. The following may be of interest to others interested in going this route: > I put over 60k miles on my PC in the 4 years I owned it. I ran 3 > Battlaxes on the front, each lasting about 12k miles. > > I usually ran about 38-40psi front. Considering that Kent appears to have pushed his bike very hard, 12,000 miles sounds like a very good wear rate. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Selden Deemer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 10:11:24 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jim Alexander" To: , "PC800 Rider" Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: New 1998 PC for sale Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 07:10:45 -0700 Well, it is kind of funny ... the BMW dealer where I took the demo ride on a K1200LT just sold a 1998 PC that was traded in for a BMW Cruiser .... it sold for $6,600 ... but they gave the guy a $7,100 credit based up what ???? The Kelly Blue Book for April to June. As we know that Blue Book price is not right and if dealers use that price to set value this is what happens. I found out about the trade it afterwards. I told the dealer about how wrong the Blue Book was and he then realized that a mistake had happened. The PC had been purchased in about October, so it could have been purchased at the higher price, but I doubt it. I suspect the guy who traded it in was happy as a clam with his trade in value. He put 1,500 miles on a bike and still got more than he paid for it as a TRADE IN! This could be the situation with the Oregon PC for sale. -----Original Message----- Tim Davies wrote: >lovik@writeme.com writes: >>Found in >> >>1998 PC800 PACIFIC COAST, full coverage fairing, cavernous weather >>tight trunk, shaft drive, torque-y liquid cooled V-twin, low maint >>touring machine, wide comfortable saddle for 2, save $1,700, 3 yr >>factory warranty. Now $6,999 plus freight & set up. ST. JOHNS >>TRUCK & EQUIPMENT. 503-286-8336. Portland, Or >>Location: Portland, OR > >Don't you just love these people who are trying to sell a Pacific >Coast for more than the retail price? This is especially cute since >it starts out by telling me I'm actually saving $1,700! According >to New York State mathmatics a $6,699 motorcycle being sold for >$6,999+ does not give you a $1,700 savings. Must be Oregon uses >some special West Coast math:-) > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" , "Yetvart" , "Pedro Demorais" , "Patricia van der Linden" , "Marco Reitsema" , "Humberto Vieira Rijo" , "Jan Gerritsen" , "Brian Hopkins" Subject: PC800: FW: Rules for the Road (long) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:26:33 +0200 >DRIVING TRICKS - MC SPECIFIC AND GENERIC > > > >GENERIC DRIVING > >1. This is not a race. Survival is Job 1. Arriving damage-free is > Job 2. Arriving without having an adrenaline rush is the Final Test. >2. Look both ways before starting up on a green light. > Don't let off your brake lights unless you mean to actually go. > (You might cue the subconscious of the guy behind you to GO.) >3. Crossing traffic at stopsigns (they are supposed to yield) should > be watched for: > - Head swivel to look at you > - Wheels slow (esp good indication on ice) > - Suspension compression or extension indicates whether braking or > accelerating >4. Don't closely follow pickup trucks or trailers- > - because you can't see around them ( duh!) > - Carrying cargo that could fall out or off (dryers, lumber) > - With material that could blow out (gravel/rocks) > - With the hind end of a horse hanging where road apples would > clear the trailer gate! > => give them at least double the interval you would give a car > More if necessary. Don't assume their brake lights work either >5. Don't closely follow 18 wheelers at night (they tend to throw tread > in the dark when the smoke from overheating flat tires is hard to see) > Truck tires are often recaps. When they fail, 1/2 of the tread will > peel off the tire carcass and fly free. > DON'T BE THERE WHEN IT DOES! >6. Check your mirrors several times when planning a pass on the > interstate. Supersonic traffic on your six is hard to pickup in time. >7. Dawn and dusk is Bambi time. Stay alert, don't try to hustle. >8. Lights on earlier in the evening. Esp. if you are heading E. >9. Lights on while on straight 2-lane country roads. >10. Practice predicting relative motion problems with passing, merging, > positioning near packs on the interstate. >11. Don't drive in the pack. >12. Help the pack get around you if necessary or lose them if possible. >13. Spend NO time in anyone's blind spot. Brake or accelerate if necessary > to get clear. >14. Don't let anyone sit in your blind spot. Brake or accelerate if > necessary. >15. Tourons on their way to any Nat'l Park are completely unpredictable. > They may be expected to be stopped around blind mountain curves. >16. Watch for chunky objects between dual wheels on 18 wheel trailers > - the objects could be flung out at you >17. Watch for objects falling off oncoming trucks. >18. Watch for aggressive behavior from: > - helmetless squids on racebikes > - jacked up cars on wide rear tires > - BMW cars > - TransAm or Mustang5.0 - type (butthead rich kid) cars > - cars with anyone inside wearing baseball cap backwards > - yuppie cars with bicycles on them (young and aggressive) > - inexpensive cars around the University > - any vehicle with neon windshield wiper holders > - any vehicle with an Oakley sticker > - any Saturn (driver is still learning to drive) >19. Watch for brainless/distracted behavior from: > - people w. carphones held to head > - Volvos > - Minivans > - any car with children in motion (child OR car) > - any car with "Baby on Board" sign > - bicyclists(those in genuine bicycling clothes are less random > than other cyclists though this is less reliable on > weekends) > - kids on mopeds > - vehicles with out of state plates > - vehicles with a 2" x 4" peep zone cleared thru the windshield > when the vehicle is covered with frost or snow >20. Avoid driving after appx 10 pm. ESP. on Friday or Saturday night! > - Drunks are out > - night animals are out > - visual cues are seriously reduced > - personal alertness is reduced (your hours may vary) >21. Do not swerve for inconsequential things such as cats, squirrels > or small dogs. Minor course corrections are ok but losing > control of the vehicle is not worth a cat's life. > Moose or horses, on the other hand, can ruin your whole day >22. When encountering cows on/near the road ("Open Range"), don't be > surprised if the big, dumb, leather-covered windsock decides to step > into the road rather briskly. They're not as fast as deer but are > just as dumb. >23. Turning Left across oncoming traffic- > - Try to accelerate before starting across so that if the engine > coughs, you will still coast across. Also try to have some room to > abort the maneuver. > - Aim for the hole in traffic > - Never assume traffic will signal their intentions > - Allow for the jerk who will change lanes as he arrives at the > intersection. He can be detected by watching his rate of closure > on the other cars and his aggresiveness signature (backwards hat, etc) >24. Manual transmissions should NOT be shifted thru the gears when > slowing down to a stop. When the speed is below what the engine > can tolerate, put the clutch pedal down. Do not select another gear > until you are either stopped (neutral) or need to get into gear to > get going again. Selecting successive gears while holding the clutch > down wears parts in the transmission unnecessarily. > (Does not apply to motorcycle) >25. Use brakes to slow down. They are cheaper than clutches or transmissions. > This does not apply to using the engine to hold the car back while > descending long hills. >26. In nasty weather, keep all windows clean AND clean taillights, headlights, > and turn signals. > CORRECTION- In ALL weather keep windows clean. >27. Look under the hood thoroughly and often. > Oil consumption is dramatically different between city driving and > fast Interstate driving. Don't ruin your engine. >28. Farm machinery- > - is always slow moving (though you may not be used to judging it, > your rate of closure will be high) > - often takes up more than one lane > - doesn't have turn signals and may turn off the road at any time > - has no rear view mirrors and won't be able to see you > - may not have stable steering and will wander a bit > - always weighs more than what you're driving > - can reach across into oncoming lanes (esp mowers) >29. When you are the last vehicle in a suddenly-stopped line of traffic (on > the freeway, for example), use your 4-way flashers to get the attention > of the traffic behind you so they can brake in time. > Just pumping the brake lights can be helpful. >30. Where there is one deer there is ALWAYS another, sometimes many, that > you don't see. They come out at dusk and are active in the dark. > Driving fast in the dark in deer country is risky. The deer and the > antelope play in the road too. >31. Brake before turning into the corners on winding road. >32. Bozo moves- > > bozos always signal a turn by getting on the brakes to slow for the > turn. Brake lights thus signal the turn. A blink of the turn signal > after the turn is begun is optional. > > bozos run with their lights off until it's really, really, dark. > > bozos cruise 15 or 20 mph faster than traffic and, when obstructed > by others going slower, will maintain a high closure rate until > within 1/2 carlength then put brakes on. Apparently seeing no > farther down the road than 1 carlength. > > bozos must drive the speed limit or over up to the red light. They > will tailgate you out of annoyance if you ease off in order to > try to keep rolling up to the hopefully-turning-green light. > > bozos ride their brakes on mountainous roads. They are detectable by > sight and smell of brake smoke. Extreme cases will set tires on > fire. (When inside National Parks they are colloquially called, > "Tourons") > >33. The driving isn't done until the vehicle is stopped, securely held > by brake or Park, and the engine is off. >34. Trucks- > > accelerate slowly > tend to decelerate going uphill, accelerate going downhill - don't play > leapfrog with them for too long > cannot stop quickly- keep them off your tail > wander a bit in crosswinds - especially tandem trailers > make a helluva water spray in the rain > can see over you and may see something you don't > can't see well to the rear and along the sides > can throw huge chunks of tire when a tire goes flat > >35. A stop sign turned toward you should still be stopped for, even if you > think that it's a prank. You could be wrong. >36. Use your highbeams when there is no oncoming traffic. You NEED the > additional view ahead. (some acquaintances died while hitting a > semi-truck stalled across Co. Hwy 14 at night. Undoubtedly the > truck was unlighted so additional light YOU supply might make the > diff. Skid marks were 107' long but at 65mph they needed more.) > >MOTORCYCLE SPECIFIC > >1. Flash brake light to traffic coming up behind you if you are the > first one to the light. >2. Remain in gear watching your mirrors until traffic behind you is > truly stopped. >3. Park facing uphill. It's easier to let it roll back down than > pull it back up. (Helps set the sidestand too.) >4. Use all parts of the lane to get visibility. > Visibility for you to see ahead, visibility for you to be seen > in traffic. >5. Practice counter-steering and hard braking often >6. If braking needed in a corner- stand bike up then brake hard >7. Take along faceshield cleaner spray. Clean faceshield makes for > fewer distractions. >8. Earplugs (sound quieting type) reduce fatigue and hearing damage. >9. Loop bungee cords THRU items being carried rather than simply OVER. >10. Leather clothing is worth it for less flapping, less wind penetration > Minimum equipment: helmet, leather gloves, leather jacket (made for > motorcycling with pads & stuff), boots, long pants. > Supplemental: leather pants, earplugs. >11. Water soaked bandana around neck for very hot temps >12. Painted road stripes are slick when dry, frictionless when wet. > (Metal road repair plates and cattle guards too!) >13. Starting a turn on the outside of the curve gives more sight distance, > which is a Good Thing. >14. Beware 18 wheeler bow waves and low pressure area behind it. > Crosswinds will distort bow wave accordingly. >15. Drive on the tire tracks of vehicles ahead of you in rain. >16. Signal with hand signals as well as blinkers when possible. It's > something slightly different that may change the viewers' perception > from "not a threat" to "Oh! There's someone there!" >17. Eye contact is nice but meaningless. >18. Wear some kind of reflective material facing the rear. This gives > traffic behind you some depth cues at night. (Your single taillight is > devoid of range information for following traffic.) >19. You can signal in various HELPFUL ways with your hands > - wave vehicles around you to help get them past you > - signal tailgaters to back off (turn around and give a push signal) > - help trucks move into your lane to help complete a pass > - pat top of head to signal "cop ahead" to oncoming motorcyclists > ==> brightly colored gloves are helpful >20. Watch for where you will be putting your foot down. Oil,grease or > anti-freeze could cause a stupidfall. >21. Maintain escape space when stopped in traffic. Watch your mirrors > assiduously until traffic behind is still. >22. Avoid driving after dark. > - roadway debris is harder to see > - traction cues are harder to get > - faceshield bugsplat obstructs vision worse > - more bugsplat per mile > - deer > (I helped at an accident after motorcyclist hit deer. Not pretty.) > - drunks etc > - headlight bulb failure could be a REAL problem >23. Electrically heated clothing is a real blessing. > No hypothermic stupidity and easy to change warmth settings. >24. Boots good. No laces. I wear combat boots with lace-in zipper inserts. >25. Practice playing with pacing stoplights. Goal is to not put foot down > even for red lights. Develops slow-ride technique as well as timing > sense. (Can unnecessarily annoy following traffic that WANTS to > roar up to the light and stop) >26. Fuel mileage will drop for headwinds. Don't be surprised. Don't run > out of gas. >27. Look where you want to go. (MSF fundamental) Even if you are absolutely > positive you will crash, keep looking where you would rather be. >28. Occupy the lane or completely clear it. Don't offer someone a limited > space to make a mistake while trying to creep past you (to turn, > for example) >29. When riding with passenger, strive for smoothness rather than thrills. > Don't forget to reset suspension and tire pressure. >30. To take big bumps, get up on your legs. Practice riding this way > to make it more comfortable. >31. Adjust control positions to suit you. Especially rear brake. >32. Cruise control or throttle friction screw is very helpful on long trips. >33. Trust your tires. Treat them like the best friends they are. >34. When turning around in a very restricted space, use slope to help with > your backing up maneuver. It's easier to drive up and roll back > than to pull the bike back uphill. Plan ahead! >35. Wave to little kids whenever possible. A little recruiting now may > prevent motorcycle prohibition in a few years. >36. Don't pass over the double-yellow line. It gives us all a bad name. >37. Approach linear obstacles (RR tracks, tall curbs, 2x4 boards in the road) > squarely. Add power to lighten front end. Try to be up on the pegs. >38. It is possible for a cattle-guard to be put in wrong. Think about it. >39. MSF technique is best- turns should be done under constant power or > accelerating. (Don't load front tire with both turning and slowing) >40. Cross linear obstructions (like RR tracks) as perpendicular as > possible. >41. A clean faceshield is no obstruction to you (Meguire's Plastic Polish) > Regular use of Meguire's will help raindrops blow off the faceshield so > you can see. Mist will collect and turn into drops which blow off too. >42. No braking in turns. Brake before turns & accelerate out. This > balances the load on the tires and maximizes your traction margin. >43. Study road surfaces and textures. Become a connoiseuer of traction, of > tires, of brakes, of things that are found on roads...... >44. Dogs like to chase bikes. Expect it. > Downshift, slow to make the dog's intercept solution reset to the new, > slower speed. Then, at the right time, accelerate hard and leave the > dog in your dust. (Just like a fighter pilot does a "missile break" > you are doing a "doggie break.") > Bike benefit: being so maneuverable means that you may be able to > help herd stray dogs off the road before they get crunched. > (I saved 2 adorable Lab. puppies this way.) >45. Be sure your stand is on solid surface when parking. Asphalt isn't solid > on real hot summer days. A flattened pop can will add foot area if you lack > any other option. >46. Check your battery water level often. Bike batteries are small and > heavily loaded. >47. Air-cooled engines are even MORE susceptible to oil-consumption changes > due to speed or heat. Check your oil early and often until you are > sure what consumption is doing. Don't ruin your engine. >48. If you're doing any work on the bike, be gentle. Most nuts, bolts and > screws thread into aluminum. Aluminum is soft and can't take nearly > as much stress as you may be used to applying to steel nuts&bolts. > >49. Traction hierarchy: > Clean, dry asphalt > Clean, dry, newly laid asphalt > Clean, dry concrete > Fresh "chip seal" (inconsistent- good alongside loose chips) > Wet asphalt > lightly sanded asphalt > 1-2" of slushy snow (with D-P tires) > Wet concrete - grooved > Painted lines- dry > dry, packed snow > Oily (drips), dry asphalt > Oily (drips) concrete > lightly sanded concrete > mud covered asphalt (construction mud) > dry, polished, metal (cattleguards, road repair plates) > wet concrete - fine grained, ungrooved > dry leaves > wet leaves > wet painted lines > wet, oily asphalt > wet metal > wet ice > hydroplaning > >50. Good raingear makes a difference. It's easier to concentrate on the > riding when you are warm, dry and relatively comfortable. > Good gear is usually motor-cycle specific. (Dry Rider, totes, rubber >gloves) > Getting the right gloves seems to be most problematic. >51. An upgrade of the horn could save your life. (Fiamms) >52. New tires have a coating of mold-release compound on them. This means > they are slippery until the coating is abraded away by riding. > BMW manual says 300 miles. More deliberate break-in could do better. >53. Birdstrike avoidance- > > a. For small, twitchy birds (like swallows) - maintain steady course > and duck your head. The bird is not on any predictable course and is > more likely to be able to dodge you than you dodge it. > > b. For large raptors (hawks, eagles, owls)- these birds are so big > and heavy that they will not be able to maneuver. If you have a > chance, aim *behind* them. Just don't go off the road doing so. > > >*******************end of forwarded message********************** -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 13:16:15 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Battlax up front To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) I have 14,280 miles on my '98, it will be one year old on July 16th and it looks like I still have a lot of mileage left on both of my original Dunlop K555's. The 12K of the Battlax BT50 doesn't sound all that good to me, unless they are inexpensive tires. Tim Davies- '98 Pacific Coast,"Yankee Smuggler" Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" libssd@emory.edu writes: >I sent a note to Kent Polk this morning about mileage and inflation >pressure for a Bridgestone Battlax BT50 as a front tire on a PC. >The >following may be of interest to others interested in going this >route: > >> I put over 60k miles on my PC in the 4 years I owned it. I ran 3 >> Battlaxes on the front, each lasting about 12k miles. >> >> I usually ran about 38-40psi front. > >Considering that Kent appears to have pushed his bike very hard, >12,000 miles sounds like a very good wear rate. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Selden Deemer >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 13:12:31 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: "Leland C. Sheppard" CC: dwilkers@us.ibm.com, Ralph Couey , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: blackened oil Leland C. Sheppard wrote: > > Hi Doug, > Interesting comments from the mechanic. The reason I decided to go to 8000 mile intervals (I changed it > at 4000 the first few times) was because the oil was NOT black and, in fact, looked hardly used. At 8000 > it is black and ready to be changed. > > I just went and checked my records: from 4000 to 16000 miles I changed it at 4000 mile intervals. I've > been doing it at 8000 mile intervals ever since. Just a couple notes. First of all, I ain't no expert on oil (as evidenced by how many times I have changed types and brands). I had put in Golden Spectrol (part dino, part man) into the PC just recently. While draining the old oil (prior was same and in bike 1800 miles, but 8 months, hey, winter you know) it was black as can be. But that don't mean much. Some of the worst soil for growin "can" be black as night. BTW, I don't know what Honda put in originally, but you all may remember me asking why it splattered like hell when I drained at 600 miles. Well the replacement came out much more slowly (same temperature for day and oil). That stuff they put in at the factory is like water. Anyway, I noticed after I was all done refilling and changin filter and all that, when I drained the oil into one of my holding jugs there is a little metal washer. Uh oh. Well I figured the oil plug was on tight and all, it would be ok until next change. Nope. After riding a few miles, got home and over night this puddle of oil brewed up from concrete floor (or so I told the wife). Anyhoo, I got a clean metal pan, dropped the remaining oil into it and put the plug plus washer back on. Now the oil was already gettin a little black, but being a good accountant (read cheap), I poured the oil back in the crankcase. Wouldn't you at $4 or so a quart? The reason I ask is the point made by Tony about following recommended changes. Can't argue, though old habits are hard to break. My point is have any of you ever seen anybody, with any car bike, etc, that had a major engine (ok or minor engine failure) that was ever attributed to following the manufacturers recommendations on oil changes? I can't. In fact, we spend so much time on oil, but it seems everything else goes wrong before an engine blows up. In fact, Honda only recommends, what, 10-40w oil. Don't say nothin about using synthetics, so why do we bother? I don't know. I do know that from experience that the Wing and the ACE shifted much harder using regular oil, but much better with some synthetic (never used full synthetic, yet). Maybe it is the transmission we should be concentrating on. And just because it shifts harder, does not mean it is harder on the transmission, in fact it may be the opposite, again I don't know, but I hope that Honda does. My wifes step-dad runs his vehicles till they die. He had an old chevy something or other, that he got with about 40,000 miles and ran it to 134,000 with no oil changes (just kept adding). Now I don't recommend this, but maybe these engines are a little tougher than we give them credit. Oil is done to death. I am a bit more curious about spark plugs. How often do you change or have them changed? I believe Honda says 8,000 miles. Hunh? Youz gotz to be kidding. I have changed them once in the Wing with 45,000 miles (at 35,000 I think). I don't mess with tune ups unless I think it is a little short of breath. I have had many a car come out worse than it went in. Anyway, what do you do? Sorry for this rambling mess, sheesh it was hot up here the last few days. BTW, sold the ACE, for $500 less than another offered three months ago (and didn't take) and after paying $50 for an ad that had yet to run (too late). Yeah, one of THOSE weekends. Tommy(brain fried)Teal -- 93 SE 95 Hannigan 95 ACE 97 Pacific Coast 98 V-Star Classic (Black Cherry over Crimson) GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 13:34:01 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: Ralph Couey CC: Desmond Cockburn , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Motorcycle Fatalities in 1997 Ralph Couey wrote: Snip > And the number of outright stupid bikers is probably > no different than the number of outright stupid cagers. Oh please mean "as a percentage of all motorcycles versus cages" He he. You made good points. TommyTeal -- 93 SE 95 Hannigan 95 ACE 97 Pacific Coast 98 V-Star Classic (Black Cherry over Crimson) GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 13:54:26 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: Francois Saint Laurent CC: dana sawyer , HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: Re: PC800: Bike Cover Francois Saint Laurent wrote: > I also wanted something that wouldn't flap in the wind when trailering, > and that was soft so that it wouldn't damage the bike if it rubbed against > it. I had a very nice compact nylon cover for my previous bike. It folded > up really small, fit really well, and was inexpensive, but the paint on my > gas tank started to wear off from the wind when I used to park outside. It > also caused the seat to 'cook' on a hot day, and one day the seat just > cracked when I got on the bike. (Please refrain from commenting!) Now, I hate to say anything like this to Francois, because he is an accomplished and experienced motorcycle man, but I will anyway. :-) Please don't put anything on your bike (to cover it) when trailering it. No matter how tight, it will vibrate and rub the paint, plastic, etc on your bike. Your PC is designed to take the weather while being towed and is much better off, uncovered than covered. In a bad illustration, when I got our 5th wheel trailer hitch put in the back of our pickup, I mentioned I had a bed cover to the installer. He asked about it and noted it was just a rubber floor mat. He was concerned because he had pictures (that he showed me) of trucks with the full liners that vibrated the paint right off the truck (underneith and not seen until you take the liner out to put in the hitch). Doesn't happen on every truck, but it does happen. I guess I would say you are just better off for that couple of days of towing the bike to leave it uncovered when moving. Please. And that is all I have to say on that. TommyTeal -- 93 SE 95 Hannigan 95 ACE 97 Pacific Coast 98 V-Star Classic (Black Cherry over Crimson) GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 14:05:22 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: Jim Alexander CC: lovik@writeme.com, PC800 Rider , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: New 1998 PC for sale Jim Alexander wrote: > > Well, it is kind of funny ... the BMW dealer where I took the demo ride on a > K1200LT just sold a 1998 PC that was traded in for a BMW Cruiser .... it > sold for $6,600 ... but they gave the guy a $7,100 credit based up what ???? > The Kelly Blue Book for April to June. As we know that Blue Book price is > not right and if dealers use that price to set value this is what happens. > > I found out about the trade it afterwards. I told the dealer about how > wrong the Blue Book was and he then realized that a mistake had happened. > The PC had been purchased in about October, so it could have been purchased > at the higher price, but I doubt it. I suspect the guy who traded it in > was happy as a clam with his trade in value. He put 1,500 miles on a bike > and still got more than he paid for it as a TRADE IN! > > This could be the situation with the Oregon PC for sale. Of course, we all know the old trick of car salesmen that will give you more for your trade in, if you pay more for the vehicle. What, a BMW dealer holding up the price of the new bike, never could happen! Right? :-) TommyTeal -- 93 SE 95 Hannigan 95 ACE 97 Pacific Coast 98 V-Star Classic (Black Cherry over Crimson) GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 15:12:43 -0400 From: dana sawyer Subject: PC800: Oil, etc. To: HondaPacificCoastOwners , HSTA Postings to List charset=ISO-8859-1 Through the months and years, lots of talk about oil and such...dino, synthetic, combinations of both, etc., weights from the super thin to the= pancake syrup variety, etc.... I heard an ace mechanic, former tech advisor for Honda, instructor at MMI= , etc. say that if any motor, car, trolley, motorcycle, etc. is not run low= on oil or coolant (for the liquid-cooled ones), the engine internals will= last indefinitely and not give trouble. Granted, you may have problems wi= th batteries, stators, regulators, rectifiers and such, but the guts of the engine will be fine if the oil and coolant are not run low. The manufacturer's recommendations for oil change intervals are OK, although lots of us are anal (me included) and won't believe it. Common sense should tell you what weight of oil to use, but from there yo= u guess is as good as mine...probably better! As for me, I'm using Honda HP-4 oil, and extending my oil changes to justify the higher cost of the oil. Dumb, huh? Bottom line is...find something else to worry about! Life is too short to= spend lots of time worrying about what brand of oil to use, or how often= to change it. Whatever we use, and however often or seldom we change it, = as the doctor told you..."it's gonna be OK." Same mentality about oil filters...why spend thousands on a fine motorcyc= le and worry about saving a buck by buying a brand X filter? Shop around to find the best price, but buy an OEM filter...your engine will thank you f= or it! There is a difference...the same dude above told me so, and sent me photos of disassembled filters to prove it! Dana Sawyer P.S. No liability incurred for the above statement. Find someone with assets to sue...I'm a penniless retired ex-state employee! Gotta sign off...earlier today I noticed a hairline scratch on my center stand, so I'm headed out to the garage to give it a new coat of protectiv= e polish! Me anal?............No way! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: PC800: Half vs. Full Face Skid Lids Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:40:53 -0400 type="text/plain"; Learned another good reason to wear a full-face helmet today. Normally around town, I commute with a half-helmet. Today, I had an unexpected 20 miler to the next village, so had to operate at highway speed. Short version of story: Praying mantises DO NOT taste good. Steve Zweigart Maysville, Kentucky '97 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 16:12:28 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "R. Fenwick" Subject: Re: PC800: Half vs. Full Face Skid Lids I hate to ask, but how did it get INTO your mouth? (Or, I could rephrase the question as "Why was your mouth open?") Sorry... Rich Fenwick 1990 PC800L, 18,700 miles The "new" XPRES 2 At 04:40 PM 7/6/99 -0400, Steven R. Zweigart wrote: >Learned another good reason to wear a full-face helmet today. Normally >around town, I commute with a half-helmet. Today, I had an unexpected 20 >miler to the next village, so had to operate at highway speed. Short >version of story: Praying mantises DO NOT taste good. > >Steve Zweigart >Maysville, Kentucky >'97 PC800 > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Half vs. Full Face Skid Lids Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 23:40:18 +0200 I hate to ask, but what are praying mantises ? Can't find it in my dictionary or on the internet... Sorry... Emile http://fly.to/emile >I hate to ask, but how did it get INTO your mouth? >(Or, I could rephrase the question as "Why was your mouth open?") >Sorry... >Rich Fenwick >>At 04:40 PM 7/6/99 -0400, Steven R. Zweigart wrote: >>Learned another good reason to wear a full-face helmet today. Normally >>around town, I commute with a half-helmet. Today, I had an unexpected 20 >>miler to the next village, so had to operate at highway speed. Short >>version of story: Praying mantises DO NOT taste good. >>Steve Zweigart -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 16:53:41 -0500 To: "Emile Nossin" , "PC800" From: "R. Fenwick" Subject: Re: PC800: Half vs. Full Face Skid Lids BIG bugs. Do a search for either "mantids" or "praying mantids" (note the spelling charge). There are sites out there. Rich Fenwick 1990 PC800l, 18,700 miles The "new" XPRES 2 At 11:40 PM 7/6/99 +0200, Emile Nossin wrote: >I hate to ask, but what are praying mantises ? >Can't find it in my dictionary or on the internet... >Sorry... > >Emile >http://fly.to/emile > >>I hate to ask, but how did it get INTO your mouth? >>(Or, I could rephrase the question as "Why was your mouth open?") >>Sorry... >>Rich Fenwick > >>>At 04:40 PM 7/6/99 -0400, Steven R. Zweigart wrote: >>>Learned another good reason to wear a full-face helmet today. Normally >>>around town, I commute with a half-helmet. Today, I had an unexpected 20 >>>miler to the next village, so had to operate at highway speed. Short >>>version of story: Praying mantises DO NOT taste good. >>>Steve Zweigart > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 16:56:58 -0500 To: "Emile Nossin" , "PC800" From: "R. Fenwick" Subject: Re: PC800: Half vs. Full Face Skid Lids Here, Emile. Try this link... http://www.uky.edu/Agriculture/Entomology/entfacts/trees/ef418.htm Enjoy. Although the picture doesn't look like it, these things are 5-6" long! Rich... BIG bugs. Do a search for either "mantids" or "praying mantids" (note the spelling charge). There are sites out there. Rich Fenwick 1990 PC800l, 18,700 miles The "new" XPRES 2 At 11:40 PM 7/6/99 +0200, Emile Nossin wrote: >I hate to ask, but what are praying mantises ? >Can't find it in my dictionary or on the internet... >Sorry... > >Emile >http://fly.to/emile > >>I hate to ask, but how did it get INTO your mouth? >>(Or, I could rephrase the question as "Why was your mouth open?") >>Sorry... >>Rich Fenwick > >>>At 04:40 PM 7/6/99 -0400, Steven R. Zweigart wrote: >>>Learned another good reason to wear a full-face helmet today. Normally >>>around town, I commute with a half-helmet. Today, I had an unexpected 20 >>>miler to the next village, so had to operate at highway speed. Short >>>version of story: Praying mantises DO NOT taste good. >>>Steve Zweigart > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Half vs. Full Face Skid Lids Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 00:14:20 +0200 >Here, Emile. Try this link... >http://www.uky.edu/Agriculture/Entomology/entfacts/trees/ef418.htm >Enjoy. Although the picture doesn't look like it, these things are 5-6" long! >Rich... Thanks Rich, I found a nice pic myself also: http://www.cnr.berkeley.edu/explore/Taxa/Dictyoptera/OrderDictyopteraPage.htm I believe the Dutch word is "pray grasshopper" (but then in Dutch..). I also believe a restaurant in Holland recently opened which serve these creatures. You can get them cooked, grilled, whatever... They are very healthy too I understand. But apparently not very tastfull when eaten rare according to Steve. Maybe they're better after roasting in a hot radiator first.... Steve, you try first ? Boy, that health trend in the US is getting out of hand I think....funny people those yanks.. I'll stick to the tulips.... Emile "tulipeater" http://fly.to/emile If it ain't Dutch, it ain't much........ >>>>>>>>>> BIG bugs. Do a search for either "mantids" or "praying mantids" (note the spelling charge). There are sites out there. Rich Fenwick 1990 PC800l, 18,700 miles The "new" XPRES 2 At 11:40 PM 7/6/99 +0200, Emile Nossin wrote: >I hate to ask, but what are praying mantises ? >Can't find it in my dictionary or on the internet... >Sorry... > >Emile >http://fly.to/emile > >>I hate to ask, but how did it get INTO your mouth? >>(Or, I could rephrase the question as "Why was your mouth open?") >>Sorry... >>Rich Fenwick > >>>At 04:40 PM 7/6/99 -0400, Steven R. Zweigart wrote: >>>Learned another good reason to wear a full-face helmet today. Normally >>>around town, I commute with a half-helmet. Today, I had an unexpected 20 >>>miler to the next village, so had to operate at highway speed. Short >>>version of story: Praying mantises DO NOT taste good. >>>Steve Zweigart > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "M Ham" To: "Desmond Cockburn" , Subject: Re: PC800: Motorcycle Fatalities in 1997 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:01:15 -0700 For those of you who wish to see where I got the original information on the statistics, please visit www.hwysafety.org/facts/fatal.htm This site has tons on information and is one of the world leaders in vehicle crash analysis. There home page is www.hwysafety.org Check it out!! Mark Ham "96 Pacific Coast > > > > Snip, snip. > > > Found this information on the net regarding facts on motorcycle > > > fatalities in 1997 (US). This information came from the Insurance > > > Institute for Highway Safety. > > > > >I haven't seen that collection of info before. Thanks for posting it. > > Gang, I would be a little suspect of this information, not saying that the > stats are not true but the one word that puts a slant on it is the word > "Insurance". There is another report from the National Highway Traffic > Safety Commission, or something like that, that just presents the pure data. > I have the URL around here somewhere and will post it once I find it. > > I believe the one thing that would give the whole insurance industry the > greatest joy is to see motorcycles completely off the highways and out of > production. My opinion only mind you. > > Des > 95 PC, Dream Weaver > Okmulgee, Ok. > "When reality looks too ugly, just fantasize. > It can't hurt." Jimmy Buffett > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve Zweigart" To: "Pacific Coast List" , "R. Fenwick" Subject: Re: PC800: Half vs. Full Face Skid Lids Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 19:53:32 -0400 Mouth didn't have to be open..to begin with... The bug, about the size of a cuban cigar (and full of eggs, I think) commited an act of kama kazi on the top edge of my Rifle, the large-curd juicy remains hitting me squarely in the nose. Fearing that I was going to inhale its kibbles-n-bits, I opened my mouth to breath......you know the rest. Fortunately, I carry a few "wet ones" in the trunk just for such an occurrence....if only I'd had some mouth wash! BTW, only way I knew it was a mantis for sure was that I later found it's head stuck to the back of my hand. Regarding the Dutch translation of "pray grasshopper", I don't know about mantids in the Netherlands, but ours over here have grasshoppers for lunch! Regardless, of the nomenclature, I think I may be vegetarian for a few days. Steve Zweigart Maysville, Kentucky '97 PC800 ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: R. Fenwick To: Sent: Tuesday, 06 July 1999 17:12 Subject: Re: PC800: Half vs. Full Face Skid Lids > I hate to ask, but how did it get INTO your mouth? > > (Or, I could rephrase the question as "Why was your mouth open?") > > Sorry... > > Rich Fenwick > 1990 PC800L, 18,700 miles > The "new" XPRES 2 > > > > At 04:40 PM 7/6/99 -0400, Steven R. Zweigart wrote: > >Learned another good reason to wear a full-face helmet today. Normally > >around town, I commute with a half-helmet. Today, I had an unexpected 20 > >miler to the next village, so had to operate at highway speed. Short > >version of story: Praying mantises DO NOT taste good. > > > >Steve Zweigart > >Maysville, Kentucky > >'97 PC800 > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rodneycarey@juno.com by m7.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EEVR9LKS; Tue, 06 Jul 1999 20:16:49 EDT To: emile@Cybercomm.nl Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 18:49:56 -0500 Subject: PC800: All about the bugs Emile... man[tis 7man4tis8 n., pl. 3tis[es or 3tes# 73tcz#8 5ModL Gr, prophet, seer, kind of insect IE base *men3, to think > MIND6 any of an order (Mantodea) of slender, elongated insects that feed on other insects and grasp their prey with stout, spiny forelegs often held up together as if praying: see PRAYING MANTIS, illus. Mantis, common name for any long, slender, winged insect of the order Mantodea, common in warm temperate and tropical regions throughout the world. Also called praying mantis, these insects pass through an incomplete metamorphosis. Mantids are known for sitting back on their rear appendages and holding their stout front pair of appendages together in an attitude reminiscent of prayer. Actually, the green and brown insects are waiting for insects that constitute their food. Mantids are the only insects that can turn their heads from side to side. Their front legs are equipped with sharp spines that enable the insects to grasp and hold their prey. The erroneous belief that the characteristic position of mantids waiting for prey has a religious significance has been the basis of many superstitious tales about them. The common European mantis is Mantis religiosa, which reaches a maximum length of about 6.3 cm (about 2.5 in). This species and Paratenodera sinensis were introduced into the United States to help control injurious insects. They are now widespread in the northeastern part of the U.S. The common mantis of the southern U.S. is a native species, Stagmonantis carolina, about 7.6 cm (about 3 in) long, which is known in the South as rearhorse or mule killer. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PeteO" To: "Steve Zweigart" , "Pacific Coast List" , "R. Fenwick" Subject: Re: PC800: Half vs. Full Face Skid Lids Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 19:27:40 -0500 hey, you know the saying!! you can always tell a happy motorcycle rider by the bugs in his teeth. guess for a while you are the happiest on the list!!!! and by the way we are not laughing with you we are laughing at you!!! really though thanks for sharing the story. we have all been there at one time or another. ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Steve Zweigart To: Pacific Coast List ; R. Fenwick Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 6:53 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Half vs. Full Face Skid Lids > Mouth didn't have to be open..to begin with... The bug, about the size of a > cuban cigar (and full of eggs, I think) commited an act of kama kazi on the > top edge of my Rifle, the large-curd juicy remains hitting me squarely in > the nose. Fearing that I was going to inhale its kibbles-n-bits, I opened > my mouth to breath......you know the rest. Fortunately, I carry a few "wet > ones" in the trunk just for such an occurrence....if only I'd had some mouth > wash! BTW, only way I knew it was a mantis for sure was that I later found > it's head stuck to the back of my hand. Regarding the Dutch translation of > "pray grasshopper", I don't know about mantids in the Netherlands, but ours > over here have grasshoppers for lunch! Regardless, of the nomenclature, I > think I may be vegetarian for a few days. > > Steve Zweigart > Maysville, Kentucky > '97 PC800 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: R. Fenwick > To: > Sent: Tuesday, 06 July 1999 17:12 > Subject: Re: PC800: Half vs. Full Face Skid Lids > > > > I hate to ask, but how did it get INTO your mouth? > > > > (Or, I could rephrase the question as "Why was your mouth open?") > > > > Sorry... > > > > Rich Fenwick > > 1990 PC800L, 18,700 miles > > The "new" XPRES 2 > > > > > > > > At 04:40 PM 7/6/99 -0400, Steven R. Zweigart wrote: > > >Learned another good reason to wear a full-face helmet today. Normally > > >around town, I commute with a half-helmet. Today, I had an unexpected 20 > > >miler to the next village, so had to operate at highway speed. Short > > >version of story: Praying mantises DO NOT taste good. > > > > > >Steve Zweigart > > >Maysville, Kentucky > > >'97 PC800 > > > > > > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bill Kapinski" To: Subject: PC800: Parts for sale Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 20:43:17 -0500 I have the following parts from a '98 PC800 for sale.=20 1) Pair of bar end weights. 2) Front fender. 3) Right side front fairing panel. Small (1/2" long) crack in leading = edge. 4) Windshield rubber mounting gasket. 5) Fork reflector If anyone is interested in these items, please contact me via e-mail. =20 Thanks, Bill...... wilythek@netnet.net weights.
2)  Front = fender.
3)  Right side = front fairing=20 panel. Small (1/2" long) crack in leading edge.
4)  Windshield = rubber mounting=20 gasket.
5)  Fork = reflector
If anyone is interested = in these=20 items, please contact me via e-mail. 
 
Thanks, = Bill......   =20 wilythek@netnet.net
<= /BODY> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EEVXLBNU; Tue, 06 Jul 1999 21:50:04 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: nedod@linus.mitre.org, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, riders@onelist.com Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 21:42:58 -0400 Subject: PC800: National Ride to Work Day From: Harvey P Sattin July 21, 1999 is: "National Ride To Work Day! Ride your motorcycle to work today. Increase public awareness of who we are, and how many of us are out there. Ride safe and courteously. Sponsored by MCN, Aerostitch, AMA & Dunlop." ...Motorcycle Consumer News, July 1999, page 43 ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 21:26:55 -0500 From: Steve DeLorey To: Harvey P Sattin CC: nedod@linus.mitre.org, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, riders@onelist.com Subject: Re: PC800: National Ride to Work Day Gee, too bad I don't go to work any more. :-) Steve DeLorey Harvey P Sattin wrote: > July 21, 1999 is: > > "National Ride To Work Day! > Ride your motorcycle to work today. > Increase public awareness of who we are, > and how many of us are out there. > Ride safe and courteously. > Sponsored by MCN, Aerostitch, AMA & Dunlop." > > ...Motorcycle Consumer News, July 1999, page 43 > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Get the Internet just the way you want it. > Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! > Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: New 1998 PC for sale of "Tue, 06 Jul 1999 07:10:45 PDT." <00f101bec7b9$61320da0$2d1daace@W999999.longs.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 21:32:47 -0500 "Jim Alexander" writes: > The PC had been purchased in about October, so it could have been purchased > at the higher price, but I doubt it. I suspect the guy who traded it in > was happy as a clam with his trade in value. He put 1,500 miles on a bike > and still got more than he paid for it as a TRADE IN! Maybe not. Just over a year ago when I was shopping for my '98 PC800 both of the dealers who had 'em in stock insisted list price was $8695. One had '96's for "only $6000, '97 for $7000". Neither cared to consider a printed copy of Honda's web page as evidence. Nor to pursue it further. Another dealer knew the real poop. Didn't have one in stock. But he got one for me in less than a week. $6250. And still smiling. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 22:33:36 -0500 From: Ralph Couey To: PeteO CC: Steve Zweigart , Pacific Coast List , "R. Fenwick" Subject: Re: PC800: Half vs. Full Face Skid Lids Off-hand, I'd say that bug committed Insecticide.:o) --Ralph -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rpattee@g-net.net by InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-12 #23426) 6 Jul 1999 23:42:38 EDT Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 03:51:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: PC800: Half vs. Full Face Skid Lids To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Reply-to: rpattee@g-net.net <006401bec80a$c21d97a0$3c74dbd0@gte.net> <001601bec80f$861d89e0$c8efa6d0@tca.net> <3782CA90.EFD37496@earthlink.net> On Tue, 06 Jul 1999 22:33:36 -0500, you wrote: >Off-hand, I'd say that bug committed Insecticide.:o) > >--Ralph ____________________ Old joke...retold What's the last thing that goes through a bugs mind as it hits your windshield/face/faceshield? It's butt! I know, I know..keep my day job..sigh..tough crowd! Roger.... I am not a complete idiot...some parts are missing. web page at: http://members.tripod.com/~Motordawg/index.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 23:57:28 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: Half vs. Full Face Skid Lids To: Steve_Z@writeme.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, fenwick@nn.com Jeeze, Puleeze! So a itty bitty bug got some of his innards on you! Tsk tsk! Once, when I was a not so bright lad of 15 of so, I was putting merrily along on my '63 Ducati Bronco when a wasp flew up my cutoffs. He proceeded to sting me repeatedly until he ran out of venom. Damnation but that did hurt! I am not going to say WHERE the critter was stinging me, but a day or so later when I was wearing blue jeans the swelling was still so great that three girls asked me out on a date! Moral: ride with your mouth shut and your pants long. Russ Vernon -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: found a new tire From: David Kelly Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 23:55:16 -0500 Have always been under the impression only Metzler and Dunlop makes a 140/80H15 rear tire. Searching for new tires for my Honda VT500FT Ascot the IRC Durotour RS-310's look good. So I went looking for the IRC web site. Checking all the tires they had noticed this: http://www.inoac.co.jp/irc/english/mc/products/gs18.html Says the Suzuki LS650 uses the 140/80H-15 rear tire size. Am not familiar with that model Suzuki. Is it exported or Japan-only? Don't yet know if this tire is available. I don't need one yet. But the tires are about to rot off the Ascot. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 21:22:50 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Selden Deemer CC: PC 800 List Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Blackened oil Hi Selden, Selden Deemer wrote: > This strikes me as somewhat long. I've never changed the oil on any > motor vehicle at this long an interval, especially not a motorcycle. > I plan to use a 4-5000 mile interval between oil changes, or once a > year, whichever comes first. With two bikes, I'm finding that the > miles don't roll up as fast on either. The 8000 mile figure is Honda's recommended interval. I've never gone wrong following Honda's recommendations (My Civic gets serviced at 7500 miles, also the interval recommended by Honda). OTOH, I think it is a good idea to change the oil at a point where you are comfortable with it. Dave Little indicated that he uses 5000 miles because it's easy to remember... FWIW... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 135,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 21:27:53 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Steve Wilson CC: Edwards , PC800 , fsl@borgconsulting.com Subject: Re: PC800: Ref: Geeza pictures posted.... Hi Will, Steve and Coasters, Steve Wilson wrote: > Edwards wrote: > > > Good pictures of the cover, no problem viewing them.I have a > > question, what is that protruding on top of the front engine > > guards?Inquiring Minds wants to know... > > Deer whistles. > > -- > Steve Wilson Ruston LA. FWIW, I mounted my deer whistles right next to each other on the front fender. On the ride with Joyce Calvert and her friend Teri a few weeks ago, we came up on a dog trotting down the right shoulder of the road. We all pulled over to the left to allow extra space between us and the dog but I was interested to note that as I approached, the dog made an abrupt right turn and ran down the embankment. What he heard, I have no way of knowing; that he heard something, I can be sure of from his reaction. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 135,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 21:43:24 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Francois Saint Laurent CC: dana sawyer , HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: Re: PC800: Bike Cover Hi Francois, Francois Saint Laurent wrote: > I also wanted something that wouldn't flap in the wind when trailering, > and that was soft so that it wouldn't damage the bike if it rubbed against > it. I had a very nice compact nylon cover for my previous bike. It folded > up really small, fit really well, and was inexpensive, but the paint on my > gas tank started to wear off from the wind when I used to park outside. It > also caused the seat to 'cook' on a hot day, and one day the seat just > cracked when I got on the bike. (Please refrain from commenting!) I'm sorry but I just can't resist commenting... Sound of self slapping self's face to snap out of it... Oh, sorry Francois... FWIW, I used the Honda cover until it shredded from the wind and the sun. It took the hide off the duck tail on my PC from flapping in the wind... About the time I discovered the damage to the paint, the cover shredded so I just threw it out... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 135,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 22:10:22 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: gwta@voyager.net CC: dwilkers@us.ibm.com, Ralph Couey , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: blackened oil Hi Tommy, Ralph and Coasters Thomas Ongstad wrote: > In fact, Honda only recommends, what, 10-40w oil. Don't say nothin > about using synthetics, so why do we bother? I don't know. The owner's manual lists two weights, I think. 10W-40 and 15 or 20W-50, depending on temperature range. I use 20W-50 in the summer and 10W-40 in the winter. > Oil is done to death. I am a bit more curious about spark plugs. How > often do you change or have them changed? I believe Honda says 8,000 > miles. Hunh? Youz gotz to be kidding. I have changed them once in the > Wing with 45,000 miles (at 35,000 I think). I don't mess with tune ups > unless I think it is a little short of breath. I have had many a car > come out worse than it went in. I change mine at Honda's recommended 8000 mile interval. The plugs don't look bad at that mileage but try replacing just 3 of them and see what happens; the bike didn't run worth a hoot. Next time my mechanic is short, I will wait for the full set to come in before changing any of them. FWIW, I believe that one of the reasons that I am averaging over 54mpg (currently 54.05) and over 216 miles per tank (currently 216.3) is the changing of those plugs when I do. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 135,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 22:14:01 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: PC800 Rider CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Battlax up front Hi Tim, PC800 Rider wrote: > I have 14,280 miles on my '98, it will be one year old on July 16th > and it looks like I still have a lot of mileage left on both of my > original Dunlop K555's. The 12K of the Battlax BT50 doesn't sound > all that good to me, unless they are inexpensive tires. I agree. Of course the individual's riding style, environment, etc. makes all the difference in the world. I got only 10000 on my first set of Dunlops; I was driving shorter trips, accelerating harder, braking harder etc. Then I decided life was short enough, slowed down and promptly got 18000 out of the second set. I've gotten as high as 22,000 on the Dunlops. The Metzelers I currently have on have about 11000 on them and have lots of wear left but they are expensive. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 135,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 22:18:25 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: "R. Fenwick" CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Half vs. Full Face Skid Lids Hi Rich, R. Fenwick wrote: > I hate to ask, but how did it get INTO your mouth? > > (Or, I could rephrase the question as "Why was your mouth open?") He was grinning, of course. Don't you know about the old adage that you can always tell a happy motorcyclist by the bugs in his teeth... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 135,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 22:21:29 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Emile Nossin CC: PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: Half vs. Full Face Skid Lids Hi Emile, Emile Nossin wrote: > I hate to ask, but what are praying mantises ? > Can't find it in my dictionary or on the internet... > Sorry... A praying mantis is a fairly good sized, beneficial bug that eats other harmful bugs. They could be a mouthful, literally, if you hit a large one (4 inches long, or so). Try looking just for mantis. The praying part is because when the bug is awaiting its prey, its front legs (arms?) are held in front of it as though in prayer. Who knows, maybe they really are praying for the arrival of their prey. Sorry, couldn't resist that... I know, time to take my medicine... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 135,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: dwilkers@us.ibm.com To: "Leland C. Sheppard" cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 02:08:04 -0400 Subject: PC800: Praying Mantis (not PC related) >> A praying mantis is a fairly good sized, beneficial bug that eats other >>harmful bugs. They could be a mouthful, literally, if you hit a large one (4 >>inches long, or so). Try looking just for mantis. This species is best known for its mating habits. The female bites the head off of the male and eats it WHILE THEY ARE MATING. Just like a woman. The male body keeps on going. Just like a man. Doug Wilkerson ..................................................................................................... IBM I/T Specialist, Digital Manufacturing Solutions Office: 205-972-7522 Mobile: 205-242-9076 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "MTW" To: "Leland C. Sheppard" , "PC800 Rider" Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: Battlax up front Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 06:34:04 -0400 > >I've gotten as high as 22,000 on the Dunlops. The Metzelers I currently >have on have about 11000 on them and have lots of wear left but they are >expensive. What air pressure do you run on your Metz? I just got my first set and the sidewall says 49 psi on both. The shop pumped them up to the Honda recomended pressures listed in the trunk, but I heard that I should run them up to 49. Any insight? Mike Whited ' 94 PC800 Columbus Oh. - >Leland >'94 Pacific Coast >"Black Beauty" >135,000 miles > >Mother of all tupperware parties: > http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html > > > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Edwards" To: "PC800" Cc: Subject: PC800: REF: found a new tire Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 06:04:30 -0700 That IRC Durotour RS-310 takes a tube, is not a tubeless tire. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: Fw: Mopje (Dutch) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:05:19 +0200 Dutch PC joke by a BMW RS girl: ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Patricia van der Linden (In het kader van emancipatie enzo heb ik de termen ietwat aangepast) Wat is nog slimmer/erger dan siliconen-tieten? Een Tupperware-doos...... :-))) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 11:43:02 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Ryland J. Truax" Subject: PC800: Engine Temperature I've had my PC800 about two months now and am still learning its normal operating characteristics. This is the first water cooled motorcycle I have owned and I am concerned about the engine temperature. When I am moving at even a moderate speed the temperature gauge stays in the middle of its range, which is where I assume it should normally operate. However, when I commute around town and have to stop at several red lights, the temperature gauge rapidly climes to the max. If I can stay moving for a few blocks the temperature falls again, but if I am in real stop-and-go traffic the temperature remains at the top of the range. I have checked the coolant level and it is correct, which brings me to the fan. As I mentioned above, this is the first liquid cooled motorcycle I have owned and I'm not certain how the fan should operate. When the temperature climbs initially (for example when I am at a stop light), the fan will start running and seems to keep the temperature from really climbing (so the fan is operational). However, when I start the motorcycle moving and stop again (at the next red light), the fan seems to have stopped even thought the engine temperature has not dropped. So I have the following questions. What is the normal operating temperature range in stop-and-go traffic? What are the operational characteristics of the fan: when does it turn on, how long does it run, and how well does it control temperature, ...? I love this machine and plan on keeping it for a loooong time. I'm trying to learn what "normal" PC behavior is, and would appreciate advice from experienced PCers. -- Ryland J. Truax -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 11:47:42 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Engine Temperature To: rtruax@oar.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) I think you have just accurately described what "normal PC behavior" is. This is the 3rd Honda with liquid cooling I have had and they all worked the same way. Tim Davies- '98 Pacific Coast,"Yankee Smuggler" Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" rtruax@oar.net writes: >I've had my PC800 about two months now and am still learning its >normal >operating characteristics. This is the first water cooled >motorcycle I have >owned and I am concerned about the engine temperature. > >When I am moving at even a moderate speed the temperature gauge >stays in >the middle of its range, which is where I assume it should >normally operate. >However, when I commute around town and have to stop at several >red lights, >the temperature gauge rapidly climes to the max. If I can stay >moving for >a few >blocks the temperature falls again, but if I am in real >stop-and-go traffic >the >temperature remains at the top of the range. I have checked the >coolant level >and it is correct, which brings me to the fan. > >As I mentioned above, this is the first liquid cooled motorcycle I >have >owned and >I'm not certain how the fan should operate. When the temperature >climbs >initially >(for example when I am at a stop light), the fan will start >running and >seems to keep >the temperature from really climbing (so the fan is operational). >However, >when I start >the motorcycle moving and stop again (at the next red light), the >fan seems >to have >stopped even thought the engine temperature has not dropped. > >So I have the following questions. What is the normal operating >temperature range >in stop-and-go traffic? What are the operational characteristics >of the >fan: when does >it turn on, how long does it run, and how well does it control >temperature, >...? > >I love this machine and plan on keeping it for a loooong time. >I'm trying >to learn what >"normal" PC behavior is, and would appreciate advice from >experienced PCers. > >-- Ryland J. Truax -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 11:04:49 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "R. Fenwick" Subject: Re: PC800: Engine Temperature On my '90, at continuous highway speeds, the needle will just enter the "operating range." Never, even in the worst "stop and go" traffic conditions during 95 degree days, have I ever seen the needle go any farther than just slightly beyond that "half-way" area. I'd be concerned if it is really "getting up there". On mine, the fan will not shut off unless it drops back to that half-way mark, and it kicks back on if it goes slightly past that "half-way" area. IMHO, If the needle is past half way, the fan should be running (and not stop) until it cools back down to the half way mark. R. Fenwick 1990 PC800L, 18,700 miles The "new" XPRES 2 At 11:43 AM 7/7/99 -0400, Ryland J. Truax wrote: >I've had my PC800 about two months now and am still learning its normal >operating characteristics. This is the first water cooled motorcycle I have >owned and I am concerned about the engine temperature. > >When I am moving at even a moderate speed the temperature gauge stays in >the middle of its range, which is where I assume it should normally operate. >However, when I commute around town and have to stop at several red lights, >the temperature gauge rapidly climes to the max. If I can stay moving for >a few >blocks the temperature falls again, but if I am in real stop-and-go traffic >the >temperature remains at the top of the range. I have checked the coolant level >and it is correct, which brings me to the fan. > >As I mentioned above, this is the first liquid cooled motorcycle I have >owned and >I'm not certain how the fan should operate. When the temperature climbs >initially >(for example when I am at a stop light), the fan will start running and >seems to keep >the temperature from really climbing (so the fan is operational). However, >when I start >the motorcycle moving and stop again (at the next red light), the fan seems >to have >stopped even thought the engine temperature has not dropped. > >So I have the following questions. What is the normal operating >temperature range >in stop-and-go traffic? What are the operational characteristics of the >fan: when does >it turn on, how long does it run, and how well does it control temperature, >...? > >I love this machine and plan on keeping it for a loooong time. I'm trying >to learn what >"normal" PC behavior is, and would appreciate advice from experienced PCers. > >-- Ryland J. Truax > > > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 11:10:35 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "R. Fenwick" Subject: PC800: Engine Temp. (PC800 Rider's Response) That's normal? You're kidding. I've been on 3 different PC's and none of them EVER acted that way... (an 89, my 90, and a 95.) I thought my '90 exhibited "normal" characteristics from what I've experienced.... Am I missing something here? Altitude possibly? That seems WAY too hot. I'd have it back to the dealership if I saw that type of behavior. R. Fenwick At 11:47 AM 7/7/99 -0400, PC800 Rider wrote: >I think you have just accurately described what "normal PC >behavior" is. This is the 3rd Honda with liquid cooling I have had >and they all worked the same way. > >Tim Davies- '98 Pacific Coast,"Yankee Smuggler" >Seneca Falls, New York 13148 > >AMA #688662 >HSTA #8387 >HRCA #HM100878 > >"The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" > > >rtruax@oar.net writes: >>I've had my PC800 about two months now and am still learning its >>normal >>operating characteristics. This is the first water cooled >>motorcycle I have >>owned and I am concerned about the engine temperature. >> >>When I am moving at even a moderate speed the temperature gauge >>stays in >>the middle of its range, which is where I assume it should >>normally operate. >>However, when I commute around town and have to stop at several >>red lights, >>the temperature gauge rapidly climes to the max. If I can stay >>moving for >>a few >>blocks the temperature falls again, but if I am in real >>stop-and-go traffic >>the >>temperature remains at the top of the range. I have checked the >>coolant level >>and it is correct, which brings me to the fan. >> >>As I mentioned above, this is the first liquid cooled motorcycle I >>have >>owned and >>I'm not certain how the fan should operate. When the temperature >>climbs >>initially >>(for example when I am at a stop light), the fan will start >>running and >>seems to keep >>the temperature from really climbing (so the fan is operational). >>However, >>when I start >>the motorcycle moving and stop again (at the next red light), the >>fan seems >>to have >>stopped even thought the engine temperature has not dropped. >> >>So I have the following questions. What is the normal operating >>temperature range >>in stop-and-go traffic? What are the operational characteristics >>of the >>fan: when does >>it turn on, how long does it run, and how well does it control >>temperature, >>...? >> >>I love this machine and plan on keeping it for a loooong time. >>I'm trying >>to learn what >>"normal" PC behavior is, and would appreciate advice from >>experienced PCers. >> >>-- Ryland J. Truax > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 12:16:52 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Engine Temp. (PC800 Rider's Response) I think what we have here is a failure to communicate. :-) I think the original poster needs to repost and define a little better exactly where the "max" of its "range" is on the coolant temperature guage. Mine (both wing and PC) seem to operate the same as Rich's. About a quarter of the way over from left at normal riding, up to halfway in hot stopped riding, whence the fan kicks in. Not unusual at all for the fan to go off from light to light as the small drop in temp, and then kick back on. What is max? 3/4 to the right, all the way into the red, what? Inquiring minds. TommyTeal R. Fenwick wrote: > > That's normal? You're kidding. I've been on 3 different PC's and none of > them EVER acted that way... (an 89, my 90, and a 95.) I thought my '90 > exhibited "normal" characteristics from what I've experienced.... > > Am I missing something here? Altitude possibly? That seems WAY too hot. > I'd have it back to the dealership if I saw that type of behavior. > > R. Fenwick > Snip > >>When I am moving at even a moderate speed the temperature gauge > >>stays in > >>the middle of its range, which is where I assume it should > >>normally operate. > >>However, when I commute around town and have to stop at several > >>red lights, > >>the temperature gauge rapidly climes to the max. If I can stay > >>moving for > >>a few > >>blocks the temperature falls again, but if I am in real > >>stop-and-go traffic > >>the > >>temperature remains at the top of the range. I have checked the > >>coolant level > >>and it is correct, which brings me to the fan. -- 93 SE 95 Hannigan 95 ACE 97 Pacific Coast 98 V-Star Classic (Black Cherry over Crimson) GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 13:26:52 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: Engine Temp. Nope, it sounds like the fan isn't cutting in. Your fan should come on right above the mid-range point of your heat guage, and cycle on and off for say 30-40 seconds at a time, every minute or so. You'll hear the fan if it's quiet and if you reach forward and down to the vents in front of your knees, feel hot air blowing out. Likely causes: - fan fuse is blown, or - fan motor is bad, or - fan switch is bad. -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: Re: PC800: Half vs. Full Face Skid Lids Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 12:09:13 -0400 I've often thought (worried) about flying, splatting stinging insects while I ride. I heard of a guy once who got one jammed between his glasses and face. OUCH!!! Steve Z Maysville, Kentucky '97 PC800 ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: To: ; ; Sent: Tuesday, 06 July 1999 23:57 Subject: Re: PC800: Half vs. Full Face Skid Lids > Jeeze, Puleeze! So a itty bitty bug got some of his innards on you! Tsk tsk! > Once, when I was a not so bright lad of 15 of so, I was putting merrily along > on my '63 Ducati Bronco when a wasp flew up my cutoffs. He proceeded to sting > me repeatedly until he ran out of venom. Damnation but that did hurt! I am > not going to say WHERE the critter was stinging me, but a day or so later > when I was wearing blue jeans the swelling was still so great that three > girls asked me out on a date! > Moral: ride with your mouth shut and your pants long. > > Russ Vernon > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 13:47:58 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: PC800: maint/repair Database HUNGRY for data!! Hello all!! If you haven't submitted your maintenance logs to the PC repair and maint database, please do! There are two uses for the database: - You can use it for storing and retrieving your own maintenance and repair logs, and - other people can search the database for repair and maintenance statistics for our very reliable bikes. Your email address can be hidden if you wish. By default, it is displayed as a link at the top of your data in the report so that someone can email you if they have a question. In case you haven't seen the database, check it out at: http://noc.dal.ca/~daniel/pc-maint/ We have NOWHERE NEAR everyone on the list. The more info in the database, the more valuable it is. If you haven't submitted your repair or maintenance log, drop by the site, and send it in, it'll take 15 minutes. If you can't figure out my instructions, or have any questions, write me. If you don't have detailed records, that's fine! Use your shop invoices or your memory. Repair info is the most useful part of the database, maintenance is nice (possibly for your own records) but not necessary. If you have your log on line already, don't hesitate to add to it any time you want. People with no repairs: it's important to hear from you too! Otherwise it will look like every PC800 requires repair. -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by saffron.neccsd.com (2.0 Build 2119 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA00687 for ; Wed, 07 Jul 1999 10:29:46 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Sattin, Harvey" To: "'X PC 800 List'" Subject: PC800: Compass Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 13:28:47 -0400 Has anyone got a magnetic compass to work properly with the PC? I tried mounting one on the top of the dash. When the motor runs, the compass spins. I tried slipping one of those flat orienteering compasses into the map pocket on top of the PC Glovebox, same results. I read recently that Ann Reid got a compass that works. Ann, what model was that? I saw a small electronic compass at Brookstone. I'd be interested in that one but I'm sure it would tempt a petty thief. Adrian has offered to post pictures of my PC on his website. ~Harvey Sattin Brookline, MA (Finally cooling off a bit.) '98 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 13:25:11 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: gwtalist@www.gwta.org, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, wings@armchair.mb.ca Subject: PC800: Gold Rush Route - Request with detail Hello again. Want to thank those again that helped me out with information on the route down there. I received a lot of requests for more specifics and we have worked this out finally. If anyone has any input on any of these roads or a close by road that they think would be better (better condition and fun - twisty, scenic, and such) please let me know. Basically this is down 69 in Indiana to Fort Wayne, then SE to 75 to Cinci, then 2 laners down Kentucky and Tennessee a bit east of I-75, through Deals Gap to Greenville. Thanks for letting me take up your valuable time with this, I can always use input from those that have been this way before. The following is the route: Trip to Gold Rush, Greenville, SC Miles From Direction Via To 105 Charlotte S I-69 I-469 20 I-469 SE I-469 US-33 46 US-33 SE US-33 St. Marys ? St. Marys S OH-66 I-75 ? I-75 S I-75 I-275 (east) 28 I-275 SE I-275 US-52 45 US-52 SE US-52 Maysville 40 Maysville SW US-68 Paris 17 Paris S K-627 Winchester 45 Winchester S K-89 McKee 35 McKee SE US-421 Peabody (K-66) 34 Peabody S K-66 Pineville 40 Pineville S US-25E US-11w 12 US-11w SW US-11W Rutledge 34 Rutledge S T-92 Chestnut Hill 15 Chestnut Hill SW US-411 Sevierville 7 Sevierville S US-411 US-321 18 US-321 SW US-321 Foothills Pkwy 15 Foothills Pkwy SW Foothills Pkwy US-129 10 US-129 S US-129 NC-28 28 NC-28 SE NC-28 US-19 15 US-19 E US-19 US-441 4 US-441 N US-441 Blue Ridge 16 Blue Ridge NE Blue Ridge Heintooga Overlook 30 Heintooga Overlook SE Blue Ridge US-276 61 US-276 S US-276 SC-253, 291 Now, I got this all lined up and looking good on my email, but as typical it will probably look like crap at your end, so if someone wants to help me out, but cannot make heads or tails of this route, let me know and I will send you the Excel file that it was created on. TIA TommyTeal -- 93 SE 95 Hannigan 95 ACE 97 Pacific Coast 98 V-Star Classic (Black Cherry over Crimson) GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "M Ham" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Engine Temp. Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:51:20 -0700 This doesn't really answer any questions, it's just food for thought.. According to my PC service manual (page 18-26), the fan switches on at a temperature between 199 f and 207 f (93c - 97 c). When the engine cools to below 199 f, the fan turns off. So If you think about it, while sitting at a stoplight on a 95 degree day and the engine reaches 200 f, the fan turns on and blows air (or sucks air if you prefer to look at it in that perspective) which is over 100 degrees cooler across its precious little engine cooling fins. Now for an engine, that's probably quite refreshing. : - ) My fan turns on when the gauge is slightly past half way. I can't remember my fan ever running longer than a minute or so before turning off and cycling back on again. Mark Ham "96 Pacific Coast -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Doug" To: "Sattin, Harvey" , "'X PC 800 List'" Subject: Re: PC800: Compass Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 13:33:02 -0700 I have a cheapie one from Walmart, has hinge and bottom portion is stuck under windshield with the double sided tape. Works well,,and you can raise it out of the way,,(I put my helmet resting on handle bars) ,,,Have never had a problem with it and is accurate Good Luck.. Doug 94 Knight Rider -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Sattin, Harvey To: 'X PC 800 List' Date: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 10:31 AM Subject: PC800: Compass >Has anyone got a magnetic compass to work properly with the PC? > >I tried mounting one on the top of the dash. >When the motor runs, the compass spins. > >I tried slipping one of those flat orienteering compasses into the map >pocket on top of the PC Glovebox, same results. >I read recently that Ann Reid got a compass that works. >Ann, what model was that? > >I saw a small electronic compass at Brookstone. I'd be interested in that >one but I'm sure it would tempt a petty thief. > >Adrian has offered to post pictures of my PC on his website. > >~Harvey Sattin >Brookline, MA (Finally cooling off a bit.) >'98 PC800 >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 14:31:31 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Engine Temp. (PC800 Rider's Response) To: fenwick@nn.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) R. Fenwick, I'm assuming this temperature question is a result of the past few days of unbearable heat of 90+ degrees, but I don't remember where Ryland is located. My previous water cooled Hondas (CX500, CX650) all performed the same as my Pacific Coast (no I'm not kidding) on a very hot day in stop and go city traffic which is what this sounds like. Since I don't do city traffic on hot days as a regular course of my motorcycling experience I have to go from memory on the temperature question. I do remember sitting in traffic and having my temperature needle move well past the middle of the white area and having the fan kick in to cool it down. When Ryland talks about the temp climbing to max, if he means the red area on the hot side of the gauge then he has a problem. If his fan does not come on every time his temp gauge hits the same (approx.) spot then he has a problem. However I see no problem with the temperature rising, even to the hot side of center on the gauge while he is in city stop and go traffic on a 90-100 degree day as this has been my experience in the past with water cooled Hondas. Cooling will be very slow to take place with just the fan and the gauge my very well register quite hot for a longer period of time than if it was a cooler day. If there are quite a few miles on his Pacific Coast then flushing the cooling system might be a good idea along with a thermostat replacement. Tim Davies- '98 Pacific Coast,"Yankee Smuggler" Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" fenwick@nn.com writes: >That's normal? You're kidding. I've been on 3 different PC's and >none of >them EVER acted that way... (an 89, my 90, and a 95.) I thought >my '90 >exhibited "normal" characteristics from what I've experienced.... > >Am I missing something here? Altitude possibly? That seems WAY >too hot. >I'd have it back to the dealership if I saw that type of behavior. > >R. Fenwick > > > >At 11:47 AM 7/7/99 -0400, PC800 Rider wrote: >>I think you have just accurately described what "normal PC >>behavior" is. This is the 3rd Honda with liquid cooling I have had >>and they all worked the same way. >> >>Tim Davies >> >>rtruax@oar.net writes: >>>I've had my PC800 about two months now and am still learning its >>>normal >>>operating characteristics. This is the first water cooled >>>motorcycle I have >>>owned and I am concerned about the engine temperature. >>> >>>When I am moving at even a moderate speed the temperature gauge >>>stays in >>>the middle of its range, which is where I assume it should >>>normally operate. >>>However, when I commute around town and have to stop at several >>>red lights, >>>the temperature gauge rapidly climes to the max. If I can stay >>>moving for >>>a few >>>blocks the temperature falls again, but if I am in real >>>stop-and-go traffic >>>the >>>temperature remains at the top of the range. I have checked the >>>coolant level >>>and it is correct, which brings me to the fan. >>> >>>As I mentioned above, this is the first liquid cooled motorcycle >I >>>have >>>owned and >>>I'm not certain how the fan should operate. When the temperature >>>climbs >>>initially >>>(for example when I am at a stop light), the fan will start >>>running and >>>seems to keep >>>the temperature from really climbing (so the fan is >operational). >>>However, >>>when I start >>>the motorcycle moving and stop again (at the next red light), the >>>fan seems >>>to have >>>stopped even thought the engine temperature has not dropped. >>> >>>So I have the following questions. What is the normal operating >>>temperature range >>>in stop-and-go traffic? What are the operational characteristics >>>of the >>>fan: when does >>>it turn on, how long does it run, and how well does it control >>>temperature, >>>...? >>> >>>I love this machine and plan on keeping it for a loooong time. >>>I'm trying >>>to learn what >>>"normal" PC behavior is, and would appreciate advice from >>>experienced PCers. >>> >>>-- Ryland J. Truax > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: annreid@juno.com by m4.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EEXW3RKY; Wed, 07 Jul 1999 16:19:30 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, scpcrc@listbot.com Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 13:20:14 -0700 Subject: PC800: COURTROOM MELODRAMA CONTINUED Many of you asked to be updated as my "gore ticket" saga continues. Those without interest should delete now. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC Background -- Tuesday, 22 July's Melodrama: It happened during morning rush hour while enroute to a motorcycle shop to get the speedometer gear box assembly installed. I got stopped and ticketed by DPS (AZ Hwy Patrol) as I entered the 202-East Fwy. The ticket was for crossing the solid white gore line, not for speeding (like I could tell with no speedometer). *Hmmm* Update 7.7.99: I had my arraignment this morning and pleaded not guilty. I BRIEFLY recounted my side to the judge, including mentioning how courteous and professional the officer was. Then I told him I was on two wheels on a frwy. on-ramp in rush hour traffic when an 18-wheeler challenged my right to be there. Quickly checking my options, I chose to cross the gore line a few yards prematurely and yield to the BIG guy. The judge's comment was, "Wise decision. You could not have won." It was then I noticed the judge reading some handwritten notes at the bottom on his copy of my ticket -- notes that were not on my copy! I queried him asking if he would share the officer's observations with me. He said he could not. However, as I stepped a few feet to the right to schedule a hearing date with the clerk, the judge smiled and said in a low voice, "The officer said pretty much the same thing you did." So, I am cautiously optimistic. My court date is set for Tuesday, 3 August at 08:15 MST. I'm depending upon all of you who volunteered to testify about my character. *HEH HEH* I'm ready. Are you? I have a tiny white toy motorcycle (labeled "Lil' Ann"), a huge toy 18-wheeler (labeled BIG GUY: SQUASH YOU ALL FLAT) and a poster board diagram on which to replay the event. Sure hope the court has a sense of humor. (She said with a twinkle in her eye.) Ann '89 PC-AZ Living a Ghost's Life Wed. 7.7.99 12:50 MST -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "MTW" To: , "R. Fenwick" Subject: Re: PC800: Engine Temp. (PC800 Rider's Response) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:47:50 -0400 How many miles do you have your PC. When my PC was new it acted as you describe but after 30K I noticed my PC acts just like Ryland describes it. I think you're both right!! Mike Whited ' 94 PC Columbus Ohio -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: R. Fenwick To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 12:07 PM Subject: PC800: Engine Temp. (PC800 Rider's Response) >That's normal? You're kidding. I've been on 3 different PC's and none of >them EVER acted that way... (an 89, my 90, and a 95.) I thought my '90 >exhibited "normal" characteristics from what I've experienced.... > >Am I missing something here? Altitude possibly? That seems WAY too hot. >I'd have it back to the dealership if I saw that type of behavior. > >R. Fenwick > > > >At 11:47 AM 7/7/99 -0400, PC800 Rider wrote: >>I think you have just accurately described what "normal PC >>behavior" is. This is the 3rd Honda with liquid cooling I have had >>and they all worked the same way. >> >>Tim Davies- '98 Pacific Coast,"Yankee Smuggler" >>Seneca Falls, New York 13148 >> >>AMA #688662 >>HSTA #8387 >>HRCA #HM100878 >> >>"The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" >> >> >>rtruax@oar.net writes: >>>I've had my PC800 about two months now and am still learning its >>>normal >>>operating characteristics. This is the first water cooled >>>motorcycle I have >>>owned and I am concerned about the engine temperature. >>> >>>When I am moving at even a moderate speed the temperature gauge >>>stays in >>>the middle of its range, which is where I assume it should >>>normally operate. >>>However, when I commute around town and have to stop at several >>>red lights, >>>the temperature gauge rapidly climes to the max. If I can stay >>>moving for >>>a few >>>blocks the temperature falls again, but if I am in real >>>stop-and-go traffic >>>the >>>temperature remains at the top of the range. I have checked the >>>coolant level >>>and it is correct, which brings me to the fan. >>> >>>As I mentioned above, this is the first liquid cooled motorcycle I >>>have >>>owned and >>>I'm not certain how the fan should operate. When the temperature >>>climbs >>>initially >>>(for example when I am at a stop light), the fan will start >>>running and >>>seems to keep >>>the temperature from really climbing (so the fan is operational). >>>However, >>>when I start >>>the motorcycle moving and stop again (at the next red light), the >>>fan seems >>>to have >>>stopped even thought the engine temperature has not dropped. >>> >>>So I have the following questions. What is the normal operating >>>temperature range >>>in stop-and-go traffic? What are the operational characteristics >>>of the >>>fan: when does >>>it turn on, how long does it run, and how well does it control >>>temperature, >>>...? >>> >>>I love this machine and plan on keeping it for a loooong time. >>>I'm trying >>>to learn what >>>"normal" PC behavior is, and would appreciate advice from >>>experienced PCers. >>> >>>-- Ryland J. Truax >> >>-- >>Visit the PC800 web page at >>To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >>message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >>To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Adrian Zai" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: Harvey's pc pics Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:59:46 -0400 Check out Harvey's PC pictures on the following website: http://www.gendiat.com/pc800/accessories.htm Adrian Zai '98 PC800 AMA# 676212 com/pc800/accessories.htm
 
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-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 16:18:54 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "R. Fenwick" Subject: Re: PC800: Engine Temp. (PC800 Rider's Response) Specifically, here is the part of his note that bothers me: "However, when I commute around town and have to stop at several red lights, the temperature gauge rapidly climes to the max. If I can stay moving for a few blocks the temperature falls again, but if I am in real stop-and-go traffic temperature remains at the top of the range." IMHO, this does not sound normal, I have yet to see a PC exhibit such behavior. If I had a temperature problem with my PC that I would describe as "Rapidly climbs to the max" and "temperature remains at the top of the range" I would be trailering my bike to the dealership. Over the weekend, we had 95-97 degree temps with a heat index of 115. It was damn near unbearable on my bike (travelling at 4pm ). My PC didn't even come close to exhibiting this type of problem. There are two major things that MUST happen to an engine. 1. It must be lubricated. 2. It must be cooled. If either of these things DON'T happen, then you are looking at major repairs. Period. If his gauge is indeed accurate, I feel that # 2 is coming close to being compromised here. If the engine is truly being cooled properly -> temp. gauge incorrect / bad sender? If the engine is NOT being cooled properly and the engine is getting hot -> bad fan temp. sensor, bad thermostat, bad water pump, restricted coolant flow, collapsed hose... My dad always told me - There are two things you must have to keep from ruining it - oil and water. If you "lose" either, shut it down, and start walking. Rich Fenwick 1990 PC800L, 18,800 miles At 02:31 PM 7/7/99 -0400, you wrote: >R. Fenwick, >I'm assuming this temperature question is a result of the past few >days of unbearable heat of 90+ degrees, but I don't remember where >Ryland is located. My previous water cooled Hondas (CX500, CX650) >all performed the same as my Pacific Coast (no I'm not kidding) on >a very hot day in stop and go city traffic which is what this >sounds like. Since I don't do city traffic on hot days as a regular >course of my motorcycling experience I have to go from memory on >the temperature question. I do remember sitting in traffic and >having my temperature needle move well past the middle of the white >area and having the fan kick in to cool it down. > >When Ryland talks about the temp climbing to max, if he means the >red area on the hot side of the gauge then he has a problem. If his >fan does not come on every time his temp gauge hits the same >(approx.) spot then he has a problem. However I see no problem with >the temperature rising, even to the hot side of center on the gauge >while he is in city stop and go traffic on a 90-100 degree day as >this has been my experience in the past with water cooled Hondas. >Cooling will be very slow to take place with just the fan and the >gauge my very well register quite hot for a longer period of time >than if it was a cooler day. If there are quite a few miles on his >Pacific Coast then flushing the cooling system might be a good idea >along with a thermostat replacement. > >Tim Davies- '98 Pacific Coast,"Yankee Smuggler" >Seneca Falls, New York 13148 > >AMA #688662 >HSTA #8387 >HRCA #HM100878 > >"The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" > >fenwick@nn.com writes: >>That's normal? You're kidding. I've been on 3 different PC's and >>none of >>them EVER acted that way... (an 89, my 90, and a 95.) I thought >>my '90 >>exhibited "normal" characteristics from what I've experienced.... >> >>Am I missing something here? Altitude possibly? That seems WAY >>too hot. >>I'd have it back to the dealership if I saw that type of behavior. >> >>R. Fenwick >> >> >> >>At 11:47 AM 7/7/99 -0400, PC800 Rider wrote: >>>I think you have just accurately described what "normal PC >>>behavior" is. This is the 3rd Honda with liquid cooling I have had >>>and they all worked the same way. >>> >>>Tim Davies >>> >>>rtruax@oar.net writes: >>>>I've had my PC800 about two months now and am still learning its >>>>normal >>>>operating characteristics. This is the first water cooled >>>>motorcycle I have >>>>owned and I am concerned about the engine temperature. >>>> >>>>When I am moving at even a moderate speed the temperature gauge >>>>stays in >>>>the middle of its range, which is where I assume it should >>>>normally operate. >>>>However, when I commute around town and have to stop at several >>>>red lights, >>>>the temperature gauge rapidly climes to the max. If I can stay >>>>moving for >>>>a few >>>>blocks the temperature falls again, but if I am in real >>>>stop-and-go traffic >>>>the >>>>temperature remains at the top of the range. I have checked the >>>>coolant level >>>>and it is correct, which brings me to the fan. >>>> >>>>As I mentioned above, this is the first liquid cooled motorcycle >>I >>>>have >>>>owned and >>>>I'm not certain how the fan should operate. When the temperature >>>>climbs >>>>initially >>>>(for example when I am at a stop light), the fan will start >>>>running and >>>>seems to keep >>>>the temperature from really climbing (so the fan is >>operational). >>>>However, >>>>when I start >>>>the motorcycle moving and stop again (at the next red light), the >>>>fan seems >>>>to have >>>>stopped even thought the engine temperature has not dropped. >>>> >>>>So I have the following questions. What is the normal operating >>>>temperature range >>>>in stop-and-go traffic? What are the operational characteristics >>>>of the >>>>fan: when does >>>>it turn on, how long does it run, and how well does it control >>>>temperature, >>>>...? >>>> >>>>I love this machine and plan on keeping it for a loooong time. >>>>I'm trying >>>>to learn what >>>>"normal" PC behavior is, and would appreciate advice from >>>>experienced PCers. >>>> >>>>-- Ryland J. Truax >> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 16:40:07 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "R. Fenwick" Subject: Re: PC800: Engine Temp. (MTW's Response) What happened at around 30k that caused this change? I'd want to know, benign or not. A change like this "just doesn't happen" - Something had to change... I have 18,800 miles on my 1990, the antifreeze has been changed once that I know of, and it is (past) due for another change. I will not be using Brand "H", I will be using what my local independant shop offers, a silicate-free, pre-mixed with de-ionized water offering called "Coolanol". When draining it, is it absolutely essential to replace the washer on the water pump drain, or can it be reused (or should I not be such a cheap @ss and go to Honda and buy one?) I guess if it leaks after re-using it, what did I save? Nothing. Rich Fenwick At 04:47 PM 7/7/99 -0400, MTW wrote: >How many miles do you have your PC. > >When my PC was new it acted as you describe but after 30K I noticed my PC >acts just like Ryland describes it. > >I think you're both right!! > >Mike Whited ' 94 PC > >Columbus Ohio > >-----Original Message----- >From: R. Fenwick >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Date: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 12:07 PM >Subject: PC800: Engine Temp. (PC800 Rider's Response) > > >>That's normal? You're kidding. I've been on 3 different PC's and none of >>them EVER acted that way... (an 89, my 90, and a 95.) I thought my '90 >>exhibited "normal" characteristics from what I've experienced.... >> >>Am I missing something here? Altitude possibly? That seems WAY too hot. >>I'd have it back to the dealership if I saw that type of behavior. >> >>R. Fenwick >> >> >> >>At 11:47 AM 7/7/99 -0400, PC800 Rider wrote: >>>I think you have just accurately described what "normal PC >>>behavior" is. This is the 3rd Honda with liquid cooling I have had >>>and they all worked the same way. >>> >>>Tim Davies- '98 Pacific Coast,"Yankee Smuggler" >>>Seneca Falls, New York 13148 >>> >>>AMA #688662 >>>HSTA #8387 >>>HRCA #HM100878 >>> >>>"The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" >>> >>> >>>rtruax@oar.net writes: >>>>I've had my PC800 about two months now and am still learning its >>>>normal >>>>operating characteristics. This is the first water cooled >>>>motorcycle I have >>>>owned and I am concerned about the engine temperature. >>>> >>>>When I am moving at even a moderate speed the temperature gauge >>>>stays in >>>>the middle of its range, which is where I assume it should >>>>normally operate. >>>>However, when I commute around town and have to stop at several >>>>red lights, >>>>the temperature gauge rapidly climes to the max. If I can stay >>>>moving for >>>>a few >>>>blocks the temperature falls again, but if I am in real >>>>stop-and-go traffic >>>>the >>>>temperature remains at the top of the range. I have checked the >>>>coolant level >>>>and it is correct, which brings me to the fan. >>>> >>>>As I mentioned above, this is the first liquid cooled motorcycle I >>>>have >>>>owned and >>>>I'm not certain how the fan should operate. When the temperature >>>>climbs >>>>initially >>>>(for example when I am at a stop light), the fan will start >>>>running and >>>>seems to keep >>>>the temperature from really climbing (so the fan is operational). >>>>However, >>>>when I start >>>>the motorcycle moving and stop again (at the next red light), the >>>>fan seems >>>>to have >>>>stopped even thought the engine temperature has not dropped. >>>> >>>>So I have the following questions. What is the normal operating >>>>temperature range >>>>in stop-and-go traffic? What are the operational characteristics >>>>of the >>>>fan: when does >>>>it turn on, how long does it run, and how well does it control >>>>temperature, >>>>...? >>>> >>>>I love this machine and plan on keeping it for a loooong time. >>>>I'm trying >>>>to learn what >>>>"normal" PC behavior is, and would appreciate advice from >>>>experienced PCers. >>>> >>>>-- Ryland J. Truax >>> >>>-- >>>Visit the PC800 web page at >>>To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >>>message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >>>To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >> >>-- >>Visit the PC800 web page at >>To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >>message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >>To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 17:01:06 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "R. Fenwick" Subject: PC800: One more, and I'm shutting up for a while. Last night, my ex-brother in law and I happened to unfortunately be in the same place at the same time. (watching my niece / his daughter) play pony league ball. (It is so enjoyable watching them play ball at that age...) He comes up to me and says in a snotty manner, "I don't see your bike anywhere, I would have thought that you'd ridden it here" (The game was about a 35 mile drive, and I had ridden along with my folks in Mom's Roadmaster) So, I said "No, sure didn't, where's your Harley? I didn't hear a Harley come in" He says "Oh, I sold it. I only had ridden it 2,000 miles in two years. Couldn't justify keeping it" I say "That's really a shame. I've ridden my Honda 2,300 miles in 7 weeks. I guess I must be enjoying riding my Pacific Coast a lot more than you enjoyed riding your Haaar-Leee" (emphasizing the word "Harley" in a whiny tone...) He gives me a look and walks away. Hee hee hee. Jerk. No wonder my sister divorced him. Rich Fenwick 1990 PC800l, 18,800 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Edwards, Wilbur" To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: PC800: Deer Whistles Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 21:44:59 -0700 On a BMW site I found an article concerning the use of deer whistles. The article is fairly long, but what it states is they don't work. Details can be read at this url: http://www.ibmwr.org/prodreview/deerwsle.html Will -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MJKasof@webtv.net (Madeleine Kasof) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 15:43:22 -0700 (PDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: wind turbulence and noise i finally pried myself off the helix scooter and used the p.c. today. i have nevr been fond of wind or noise and noticed with the hondaline tall windscreen a lot of both. has anyone every used the saeng stripping or winglets or other brand of windscreen and noticed a quieter ride?? would appreciate any info available joel kasof cupertino calif 99 aspencade(black beauty) 98 p.c. (reserved for brian millman) 98 helix (dollar saver) 92 bmw K-1) (reserved for emile nossin) gwrra 121491 hrca 611068 scoot-tours 99-012 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PeteO" To: , "PC800 Rider" Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: Engine Temp. (PC800 Rider's Response) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:49:58 -0500 hmmmmm. i haven't had my bike for long but this does sound a little odd to me. i live in Texas, about 90 mile north of Houston and it has been HOT for the past 2 weeks. (95 degrees F, approx. 80% humidity) i ride home and five and have a good bit of stop and go. the highest my gauge registers is just past the halfway mark. then the fan kicks in and that is the highest it goes. a couple of weeks ago i got stuck in Houston rush hour traffic. it was 100 degrees and i was in stop and go freeway traffic for over and hour. even then it only went past the halfway mark by a slight margin. if yours is going all the way to the hot end i think you probably need to check it. ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PC800 Rider To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 1:31 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Engine Temp. (PC800 Rider's Response) > R. Fenwick, > I'm assuming this temperature question is a result of the past few > days of unbearable heat of 90+ degrees, but I don't remember where > Ryland is located. My previous water cooled Hondas (CX500, CX650) > all performed the same as my Pacific Coast (no I'm not kidding) on > a very hot day in stop and go city traffic which is what this > sounds like. Since I don't do city traffic on hot days as a regular > course of my motorcycling experience I have to go from memory on > the temperature question. I do remember sitting in traffic and > having my temperature needle move well past the middle of the white > area and having the fan kick in to cool it down. > > When Ryland talks about the temp climbing to max, if he means the > red area on the hot side of the gauge then he has a problem. If his > fan does not come on every time his temp gauge hits the same > (approx.) spot then he has a problem. However I see no problem with > the temperature rising, even to the hot side of center on the gauge > while he is in city stop and go traffic on a 90-100 degree day as > this has been my experience in the past with water cooled Hondas. > Cooling will be very slow to take place with just the fan and the > gauge my very well register quite hot for a longer period of time > than if it was a cooler day. If there are quite a few miles on his > Pacific Coast then flushing the cooling system might be a good idea > along with a thermostat replacement. > > Tim Davies- '98 Pacific Coast,"Yankee Smuggler" > Seneca Falls, New York 13148 > > AMA #688662 > HSTA #8387 > HRCA #HM100878 > > "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" > > fenwick@nn.com writes: > >That's normal? You're kidding. I've been on 3 different PC's and > >none of > >them EVER acted that way... (an 89, my 90, and a 95.) I thought > >my '90 > >exhibited "normal" characteristics from what I've experienced.... > > > >Am I missing something here? Altitude possibly? That seems WAY > >too hot. > >I'd have it back to the dealership if I saw that type of behavior. > > > >R. Fenwick > > > > > > > >At 11:47 AM 7/7/99 -0400, PC800 Rider wrote: > >>I think you have just accurately described what "normal PC > >>behavior" is. This is the 3rd Honda with liquid cooling I have had > >>and they all worked the same way. > >> > >>Tim Davies > >> > >>rtruax@oar.net writes: > >>>I've had my PC800 about two months now and am still learning its > >>>normal > >>>operating characteristics. This is the first water cooled > >>>motorcycle I have > >>>owned and I am concerned about the engine temperature. > >>> > >>>When I am moving at even a moderate speed the temperature gauge > >>>stays in > >>>the middle of its range, which is where I assume it should > >>>normally operate. > >>>However, when I commute around town and have to stop at several > >>>red lights, > >>>the temperature gauge rapidly climes to the max. If I can stay > >>>moving for > >>>a few > >>>blocks the temperature falls again, but if I am in real > >>>stop-and-go traffic > >>>the > >>>temperature remains at the top of the range. I have checked the > >>>coolant level > >>>and it is correct, which brings me to the fan. > >>> > >>>As I mentioned above, this is the first liquid cooled motorcycle > >I > >>>have > >>>owned and > >>>I'm not certain how the fan should operate. When the temperature > >>>climbs > >>>initially > >>>(for example when I am at a stop light), the fan will start > >>>running and > >>>seems to keep > >>>the temperature from really climbing (so the fan is > >operational). > >>>However, > >>>when I start > >>>the motorcycle moving and stop again (at the next red light), the > >>>fan seems > >>>to have > >>>stopped even thought the engine temperature has not dropped. > >>> > >>>So I have the following questions. What is the normal operating > >>>temperature range > >>>in stop-and-go traffic? What are the operational characteristics > >>>of the > >>>fan: when does > >>>it turn on, how long does it run, and how well does it control > >>>temperature, > >>>...? > >>> > >>>I love this machine and plan on keeping it for a loooong time. > >>>I'm trying > >>>to learn what > >>>"normal" PC behavior is, and would appreciate advice from > >>>experienced PCers. > >>> > >>>-- Ryland J. Truax > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "MTW" To: , "R. Fenwick" Subject: Re: PC800: Engine Temp. (MTW's Response) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 19:10:08 -0400 I rode to Alaska, 10,000miles in 21days. I think the change was more of a breakin/age thing. I think it would of been less noticable over a year or two. I also don't think its a problem. When the bike was new, it ran cooler, barely in the operating temp range. In stop and go on a hot day it would hit mid point, and the fan would kick in..Now on the highway in the summer the needle rides about 1/3 up from the the left red line and in traffic from 1/2 to 3/4 range. MIke -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: R. Fenwick To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 5:36 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Engine Temp. (MTW's Response) >What happened at around 30k that caused this change? I'd want to know, >benign or not. A change like this "just doesn't happen" - Something had to >change... > >I have 18,800 miles on my 1990, the antifreeze has been changed once that I >know of, and it is (past) due for another change. I will not be using >Brand "H", I will be using what my local independant shop offers, a >silicate-free, pre-mixed with de-ionized water offering called "Coolanol". > >When draining it, is it absolutely essential to replace the washer on the >water pump drain, or can it be reused (or should I not be such a cheap @ss >and go to Honda and buy one?) I guess if it leaks after re-using it, what >did I save? Nothing. > >Rich Fenwick > > > > >At 04:47 PM 7/7/99 -0400, MTW wrote: >>How many miles do you have your PC. >> >>When my PC was new it acted as you describe but after 30K I noticed my PC >>acts just like Ryland describes it. >> >>I think you're both right!! >> >>Mike Whited ' 94 PC >> >>Columbus Ohio >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: R. Fenwick >>To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >>Date: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 12:07 PM >>Subject: PC800: Engine Temp. (PC800 Rider's Response) >> >> >>>That's normal? You're kidding. I've been on 3 different PC's and none of >>>them EVER acted that way... (an 89, my 90, and a 95.) I thought my '90 >>>exhibited "normal" characteristics from what I've experienced.... >>> >>>Am I missing something here? Altitude possibly? That seems WAY too hot. >>>I'd have it back to the dealership if I saw that type of behavior. >>> >>>R. Fenwick >>> >>> >>> >>>At 11:47 AM 7/7/99 -0400, PC800 Rider wrote: >>>>I think you have just accurately described what "normal PC >>>>behavior" is. This is the 3rd Honda with liquid cooling I have had >>>>and they all worked the same way. >>>> >>>>Tim Davies- '98 Pacific Coast,"Yankee Smuggler" >>>>Seneca Falls, New York 13148 >>>> >>>>AMA #688662 >>>>HSTA #8387 >>>>HRCA #HM100878 >>>> >>>>"The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" >>>> >>>> >>>>rtruax@oar.net writes: >>>>>I've had my PC800 about two months now and am still learning its >>>>>normal >>>>>operating characteristics. This is the first water cooled >>>>>motorcycle I have >>>>>owned and I am concerned about the engine temperature. >>>>> >>>>>When I am moving at even a moderate speed the temperature gauge >>>>>stays in >>>>>the middle of its range, which is where I assume it should >>>>>normally operate. >>>>>However, when I commute around town and have to stop at several >>>>>red lights, >>>>>the temperature gauge rapidly climes to the max. If I can stay >>>>>moving for >>>>>a few >>>>>blocks the temperature falls again, but if I am in real >>>>>stop-and-go traffic >>>>>the >>>>>temperature remains at the top of the range. I have checked the >>>>>coolant level >>>>>and it is correct, which brings me to the fan. >>>>> >>>>>As I mentioned above, this is the first liquid cooled motorcycle I >>>>>have >>>>>owned and >>>>>I'm not certain how the fan should operate. When the temperature >>>>>climbs >>>>>initially >>>>>(for example when I am at a stop light), the fan will start >>>>>running and >>>>>seems to keep >>>>>the temperature from really climbing (so the fan is operational). >>>>>However, >>>>>when I start >>>>>the motorcycle moving and stop again (at the next red light), the >>>>>fan seems >>>>>to have >>>>>stopped even thought the engine temperature has not dropped. >>>>> >>>>>So I have the following questions. What is the normal operating >>>>>temperature range >>>>>in stop-and-go traffic? What are the operational characteristics >>>>>of the >>>>>fan: when does >>>>>it turn on, how long does it run, and how well does it control >>>>>temperature, >>>>>...? >>>>> >>>>>I love this machine and plan on keeping it for a loooong time. >>>>>I'm trying >>>>>to learn what >>>>>"normal" PC behavior is, and would appreciate advice from >>>>>experienced PCers. >>>>> >>>>>-- Ryland J. Truax >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Visit the PC800 web page at >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >>>>message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >>>>To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >>> >>>-- >>>Visit the PC800 web page at >>>To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >>>message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >>>To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >> >>-- >>Visit the PC800 web page at >>To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >>message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >>To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 15:22:10 -0800 From: jgoula To: PC800 Subject: PC800: Engine Temp. (MTW's Response) MTW wrote: > > I rode to Alaska, 10,000miles in 21days. I'll venture a guess and say that your radiator has become partially plugged with either bugs or dirt/road debris. Try a good flushing, possibly with a high pressur hose (not the coin-op, kind though) Yesterday I used my little home pressure washer and a LOT of mud flowed out of the lower radiator (and I have a long mudflap installed on the fender! =:-O Good luck! -- Juan Antonio Goula Fairbanks, Alaska Lat.: 64.85°N, Long.: 147.72°W "There is only one difference between a non-rider and me. I am not mad." (with apologies to Salvador Dalí) ------------------------------------------------- School of Fisheries and Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks (907)474-5520 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 18:23:37 -0500 From: Ralph Couey To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: Fuel guage/operating temps Intellectually, I know that it's better to rely on a m/c odometer rather than a m/c fuel gauge, but emotionally, it's hard to ignore that needle buried in the "E" end of the scale when I know darn good and well that I have at least two gallons left. Does anybody know of a way to adjust the gauge or the sensor so that it reads more accurately? It's such a small thing, I know, but hopefully one less topic for my analyst. --Ralph P.S. On the operating temp question, could his thermostat be bad? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: annreid@juno.com by m4.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EEYALD4E; Wed, 07 Jul 1999 19:40:49 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: h.sattin@neccsd.com, mlinkous@inetone.net Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:43:46 -0700 Subject: PC800: In-Compass-Sing Harvey, Michael L. fowarded your post. I do not know which model it is. It was a gift purchased at Pep Boys auto supply store. I'll try to stop by and get a model number and price. David Smith mounted it atop the rightside coolant compartment door. I would ask David but he had the nerve to go gallavanting up to Oregon for a week. He didn't invite any of us along for the ride. *SOUR GRAPES* (Actually he flew ..... for his job.) The compass looks kinda like a black ping pong ball filled with water, and it can be tilted a little or a lot by tiny notches. Major or minor adjustments (corrections) to E-W and N-S are made by moving two little thingys on the bottomside of the compass. The whole thing looks rather Star Trekian sitting atop the door. I really like it a lot! So far, it's worked flawlessly and hasn't been subject to dizzy spells, altitude sickness or frightened by thunderstorms. *IMAGINE* Ann '89 PC-AZ Ghostly N-E-W-S -- (North-East-West-South) '89 PC-AZ Ghostee S-E-W-N -- (South-East-West-North) Wed. 7.7.99 16:35 MST -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "Edwards" cc: "PC800" From: David Kelly Subject: PC800: Re: REF: found a new tire of "Wed, 07 Jul 1999 06:04:30 PDT." <011301bec879$40a97d00$2c527dce@rstar> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 18:54:10 -0500 http://www.inoac.co.jp/irc/english/mc/products/rs310.html says, "RS-310 tires are tubeless." But you are half correct, the GS-18 is a tube tire. http://www.inoac.co.jp/irc/english/mc/products/gs18.html says, "GS-18 tube-type tires are..." What that said and done, disable the #$%^#!@# HTML mode in Microsoft Outlook Express (Want know how I know what you are using? Your message told me). The message looks *awful* in the raw. See below. All fancy fonts and color do to email is make the messages bigger and harder to read. I make a regular habit of deleting HTML email messages without reading them as way back when, when I used to manually pluck the text out of HTML formatted email, I soon realized nobody who used HTML email had anything worth saying. "Edwards" writes: > > ------=_NextPart_000_0110_01BEC83E.9388DBA0 > charset="iso-8859-1" > > That IRC Durotour RS-310 takes a tube, is not a tubeless tire. > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0110_01BEC83E.9388DBA0 > charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > >
That IRC Durotour RS-310 takes a = > tube, is not=20 > a tubeless tire.
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> > ------=_NextPart_000_0110_01BEC83E.9388DBA0-- > > -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RickCorwn@aol.com for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 19:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 19:58:06 EDT Subject: PC800: PC 800 in Butt Lite Update To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu After the fist leg of the inaugural Butt Lite 5000 one of this list newest members, Pauline Ralston is in a tie for 5 th place. Check out this URL for more details and updates. http://www.teamstrange.com/buttlite/reports/july6.html Ride swift, ride safe Rick Corwine -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 20:14:43 -0400 To: "Emile Nossin" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Fw: Mopje (Dutch) Cc: "PC800" At 5:05 PM +0200 7/7/99, Emile Nossin wrote: >Dutch PC joke by a BMW RS girl: > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Patricia van der Linden > >(In het kader van emancipatie enzo heb ik de termen ietwat aangepast) > >Wat is nog slimmer/erger dan siliconen-tieten? > >Een Tupperware-doos...... :-))) > > >- Good one Emile! I think I have heard it before.... fsl :-) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:19:58 +1200 To: PC800 Rider From: Richard Proctor Subject: PC800: Attn Mr Fenwick Wot is a PC800L??? "L" for "Luxury"?? Richard Proctor NZ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:19:58 +1200 To: PC800 Rider From: Richard Proctor Subject: PC800: All about the bugs Emile >Mantis, common name for any long, slender, winged insect of the order >Mantodea, common in warm temperate and tropical regions throughout the >world. Also called praying mantis, these insects pass through an >incomplete metamorphosis. Mantids are known for sitting back on their >rear appendages and holding their stout front pair of appendages together >in an attitude reminiscent of prayer. Actually, the green and brown >insects are waiting for insects that constitute their food. Mantids are >the only insects that can turn their heads from side to side. Their front >legs are equipped with sharp spines that enable the insects to grasp and >hold their prey. The erroneous belief that the characteristic position of >mantids waiting for prey has a religious significance has been the basis >of many superstitious tales about them. Black Widiw spider kill their mates after mating. Praying Mantissae, Mantissessess (whatever)comsume their mates DURING mating!!! Monica Mantissa??? Richard Proctor New Zealand How did this all start???? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Dave" To: , , Subject: PC800: Re: National Ride to Work Day Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 20:21:42 -0400 I'll be sure to wear my stich and use the dunlop tires I have. Not sure about reading MCN or the AMA mag, though. Dave ________________________________________________________________ Dave & Tina Swider Team K-Basa Those Yankee Beemer folks http://www.angelfire.com/ma/beemernews http://people.ne.mediaone.net/teamkbasa Finally updated with some new text. ________________________________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Harvey P Sattin To: ; ; Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 9:42 PM Subject: National Ride to Work Day > July 21, 1999 is: > > "National Ride To Work Day! > Ride your motorcycle to work today. > Increase public awareness of who we are, > and how many of us are out there. > Ride safe and courteously. > Sponsored by MCN, Aerostitch, AMA & Dunlop." > > ...Motorcycle Consumer News, July 1999, page 43 > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Get the Internet just the way you want it. > Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! > Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 17:01:39 -0800 From: jgoula To: PC800 Subject: PC800: Re:found a new tire David Kelly wrote: > Says the Suzuki LS650 uses the 140/80H-15 rear tire size. Am not > familiar with that model Suzuki. Is it exported or Japan-only? The LS650 is the famous (or infamous) Suzuki Savage, a thumper cruiser :) Sold here in the mid 80s and late 90s. Perfect for inseam challenged riders, I believe it had a four speed tranny (maybe a 5 speed in its second appearance) and belt drive. Cheap transportation but awful seat. FWIW, a good friend of mine installed a set of IRC "Sport-Touring" tires on his SilverWing and I quote him: "I've never been so scared of my bike's handling." So, caveat emptor. -- Juan Antonio Goula Fairbanks, Alaska Lat.: 64.85°N, Long.: 147.72°W "There is only one difference between a non-rider and me. I am not mad." (with apologies to Salvador Dalí) ------------------------------------------------- School of Fisheries and Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks (907)474-5520 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Peter Noeth To: PC800 Subject: RE: PC800: Harvey's pc pics Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 18:35:06 -0700 Harvey, Glad to see you were able to find the Brookstone clock and thermometer. I noticed you mounted yours reverse from mine though. How do you like them? Next thing you need to do is install map lights like I did so I could see them at night. They seem to be the classiest solution I have seen so far, maybe if the trim ring was black. . . . . . Regards, Peter Noeth || KE6ZJA || Rocklin, CA || Fireball, '96 w/ 10k > ---------- > From: Adrian Zai > Reply To: Adrian Zai > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 1:59 PM > To: PC800 > Subject: PC800: Harvey's pc pics > > Check out Harvey's PC pictures on the following website: > > http://www.gendiat.com/pc800/accessories.htm > > Adrian Zai > '98 PC800 > AMA# 676212 > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Desmond Cockburn To: waffle@bu.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Harvey's pc pics Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 18:40:54 PDT Adrian, My compliments on a beautiful web site. The pictures are great !!! Des 95 PC, Dream Weaver Okmulgee, Ok. "When reality looks too ugly, just fantasize. It can't hurt." Jimmy Buffett _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Desmond Cockburn To: MJKasof@webtv.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: wind turbulence and noise Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 18:47:15 PDT Joel, Snip,snip >has anyone every used the saeng stripping or winglets or other brand of >windscreen and noticed a quieter ride?? I have the Saeng edging on my 95's stock windshield and think it is worth every penny. Wouldn't ride without it. Des 95 PC, Dream Weaver Okmulgee, Ok. "When reality looks too ugly, just fantasize. It can't hurt." Jimmy Buffett _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: PC800: Fuel guage/operating temps Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:02:18 -0400 This topic comes up repeatedly. A while back those of us in that previous discussion concluded the PC fuel gauge is extremely consistent from bike to bike. The tank is not empty until the needle points to the little loop in the hose on the fuel pump icon. Under normal conditions when the needle is over the red dot under the "E", there's a bit more than 1 gallon in the tank... that's about 25% of your fuel capacity; learn to trust it. Over the last 35K miles I've come to trust my guage explicitly but I also watch the odometer. Depending on availability of gas, I rountinely travel around 180 miles between fillups. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ralph Couey [SMTP:bmwk75@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 7:24 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Fuel guage/operating temps Intellectually, I know that it's better to rely on a m/c odometer rather than a m/c fuel gauge, but emotionally, it's hard to ignore that needle buried in the "E" end of the scale when I know darn good and well that I have at least two gallons left. Does anybody know of a way to adjust the gauge or the sensor so that it reads more accurately? It's such a small thing, I know, but hopefully one less topic for my analyst. --Ralph P.S. On the operating temp question, could his thermostat be bad? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "R. Fenwick" To: "PC800 Rider" Subject: Re: PC800: Attn Mr Fenwick Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 23:06:32 -0500 OK. The 10th digit of a VIN # is a letter code for the year the vehicle was built. Here is how it goes: 1980 - A 1981 - B 1982 - C 1983 - D 1984 - E 1985 - F 1986 - G 1987 - H 1988 - J 1989 - K 1990 - L 1991 - M etc, so on. (note that the letter "I" was not used, so it was not confused with a "1". Also I don't believe that the letter "O" was used, for the same reason, not to be confused with "0".) There is the origin of the "L" - 1990. My PC is a 1990. This is true for all motor vehicles. The 10th digit is always a "year code." If you look under the gas door on a PC, there is a sticker. On mine, the top line reads: "PC 800 L". - Therefore, it is a 1990 model. So, actually, when I write "1990 PC800L" I am literally saying "1990 PC800 1990" Kinda stupid, eh? Rich Fenwick 1990 PC800L - 17,800 miles ---------- > From: Richard Proctor > To: PC800 Rider > Subject: PC800: Attn Mr Fenwick > Date: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 7:19 PM > > Wot is a PC800L??? > > "L" for "Luxury"?? > > Richard Proctor > NZ > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 22:17:57 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Roger Nash Subject: RE: PC800: Fuel guage/operating temps At 10:02 PM 7/7/99 -0400, you wrote: >This topic comes up repeatedly. A while back those of us in that previous >discussion concluded the PC fuel gauge is extremely consistent from bike to >bike. The tank is not empty until the needle points to the little loop in >the hose on the fuel pump icon. Under normal conditions when the needle is >over the red dot under the "E", there's a bit more than 1 gallon in the >tank... that's about 25% of your fuel capacity; learn to trust it. Over the >last 35K miles I've come to trust my guage explicitly but I also watch the >odometer. Depending on availability of gas, I rountinely travel around 180 >miles between fillups. > >Jim Randall >jrandall@tricon.net > Jim, I agree the gas guage is pretty reliable. I like to use both the odometer and gas guage but this last weekend putting too much faith in the odometer got me into trouble. See my earlier post "Weekend Trip". Roger -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Adrian Zai" To: "Desmond Cockburn" Cc: "PC800" Subject: PC800: Website Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 03:06:26 -0400 Thanks everyone for all the good words on the website. If any of you can think of anything I can add to improve it, please let me know. http://www.gendiat.com/pc800 Thanks, Adrian Brookline, MA > >Adrian, > >My compliments on a beautiful web site. The pictures are great !!! > >Des >95 PC, Dream Weaver >Okmulgee, Ok. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 00:16:23 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: MTW CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "R. Fenwick" Subject: Re: PC800: Engine Temp. (PC800 Rider's Response) Hi Mike, MTW wrote: > How many miles do you have your PC. > > When my PC was new it acted as you describe but after 30K I noticed my PC > acts just like Ryland describes it. I like Tim's point about the cooling system flush. I forget if it is at 12000 or 24000 miles that Honda recommends flushing the cooling system but I do it every time and NEVER have had overheating problems (assuming it is overheating). -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 135,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 23:58:53 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: MTW CC: PC800 Rider , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Battlax up front Hi Mike, MTW wrote: > What air pressure do you run on your Metz? I just got my first set and the > sidewall says 49 psi on both. The shop pumped them up to the Honda > recomended pressures listed in the trunk, but I heard that I should run them > up to 49. I think the pressure on the side of the tire is max pressure at max load. I can't remember what the figures on the Dunlops were but they were probably higher than I ran them. I used 41# rear and 36# front with the Dunlops and have continued those pressures with the Metzelers. With the Dunlops, I went from 33# to 41# based on Honda's recommendation for weight and the fact the my rear tire was cupping; the cupping stopped at 41#. The front was still cupping a little so I upped it from the recommended 33# to 36# and, again, the cupping stopped. Makes the bike ride a little harder but the tires wear well and the handling/grip were still superb. With the Metzelers, they ride fine, seem to grip OK although the handling is so light with the Metzelers that it has unnerved me a little (after 11000 miles I am getting used to the light feel but...). Also, the wear seems very even so far which suggests that the pressure is about right for the load. FWIW... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 135,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 00:08:37 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: "Steven R. Zweigart" CC: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: Re: PC800: Half vs. Full Face Skid Lids Hi Steve, Steven R. Zweigart wrote: > I've often thought (worried) about flying, splatting stinging insects while > I ride. I heard of a guy once who got one jammed between his glasses and > face. OUCH!!! I once had a bee fly down my shirt neck. I was doing about 45mph at the time. You never saw someone get off the road and get his jacket off and shirt open so fast. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 135,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 05:58:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: Battlax up front ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) writes: > I have 14,280 miles on my '98, it will be one year old on July 16th > and it looks like I still have a lot of mileage left on both of my > original Dunlop K555's. The 12K of the Battlax BT50 doesn't sound > all that good to me, unless they are inexpensive tires. Kent, from his postings, flogged the snot out of his bikes -- like 110 mph sweepers while grinding the front crash covers. If a tire lasted 12,000 miles under his riding, I would expect more like 15-20,000 miles under more normal use. The tread was worn enough, and the handling poor enough with the K555 on mine that I gladly replaced it at 12,500 miles. To date, I feel that the replacement tire has been the most effective improvement I've made to the bike, because of the improved and much more predictable handling. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Selden Deemer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:09:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Vintage Motorcycle Days I'm off for a road trip (by car, not motorcycle) to the AHRMA races and Vintage Motorcycle Days at the Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course. If you live within a reasonable distance of north-central Ohio, and have never been to this event, check it out -- it's a blast. A huge swap meet, 3 days of racing, including road racing, motocross, trials, and Friday night flat track racing at the county fair grounds. This year's featured marque is Norton (last year was Vincent). Admission and camping are both relatively inexpensive. For some photos from last year's VMD, see: http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~libssd/vmd98/vmd98.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Selden Deemer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 06:32:42 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Battlax up front To: libssd@emory.edu Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) libssd@emory.edu writes: >From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) writes: > >> I have 14,280 miles on my '98, it will be one year old on July >16th >> and it looks like I still have a lot of mileage left on both of >my >> original Dunlop K555's. The 12K of the Battlax BT50 doesn't sound >> all that good to me, unless they are inexpensive tires. > >Kent, from his postings, flogged the snot out of his bikes -- like >110 mph sweepers while grinding the front crash covers. If a tire >lasted 12,000 miles under his riding, I would expect more like >15-20,000 >miles under more normal use. > >The tread was worn enough, and the handling poor enough with the >K555 >on mine that I gladly replaced it at 12,500 miles. To date, I feel >that >the replacement tire has been the most effective improvement I've >made >to the bike, because of the improved and much more predictable >handling. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Selden Deemer >---------------------------------------------------------------------- Kent's riding style is most certainly different than mine, so I guess Battlax mileage would increase greatly if I were to use them. Although with all this summer road resurfacing going on I think I can actually hear the rubber being scraped off as I ride over the asphalt stripped roads:-( Tim Davies- '98 Pacific Coast,"Yankee Smuggler" Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "MTW" To: "jgoula" , "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Engine Temp. (MTW's Response) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:36:54 -0400 I did run thru 30 miles of construction at some places with up to 5 " of mud, when I got thru my radiator looked like an adobe brick. I've been flushing water thru the fins quite regulary and the water seems to run clear. Mike Whited -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jgoula To: PC800 Date: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 7:20 PM Subject: PC800: Engine Temp. (MTW's Response) MTW wrote: > > I rode to Alaska, 10,000miles in 21days. I'll venture a guess and say that your radiator has become partially plugged with either bugs or dirt/road debris. Try a good flushing, possibly with a high pressur hose (not the coin-op, kind though) Yesterday I used my little home pressure washer and a LOT of mud flowed out of the lower radiator (and I have a long mudflap installed on the fender! =:-O Good luck! -- Juan Antonio Goula Fairbanks, Alaska Lat.: 64.85°N, Long.: 147.72°W "There is only one difference between a non-rider and me. I am not mad." (with apologies to Salvador Dalí) ------------------------------------------------- School of Fisheries and Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks (907)474-5520 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 08:28:59 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: PC800: CB Radio Okay folks.... ...time to open up another can of worms.... What is the best solution for a CB radio/Passenger Intercom on the PC800? Let's hear about your good and bad experiences with various name brands, sources of supply, etc. fsl :-) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by saffron.neccsd.com (2.0 Build 2119 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id FAA04083; Thu, 08 Jul 1999 05:40:15 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Sattin, Harvey" To: "'Peter_N1@verifone.com'" Cc: "'X PC 800 List'" Subject: PC800: Clock 'n' Thermometer Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 08:39:17 -0400 Yes Peter, The Brookstone clock and thermometer seem to be just the ticket. I've tried the LCD clocks and they all liked to turn black in the hot sun. The thermometer isn't too practical, especially where it is. It's often in the sun and some heat from within the PC gets to it. I've seen some stick-on thermometer strips that looked interesting... ~Harvey Sattin Brookline, MA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 08:43:04 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Betty Lise Anderson Subject: Fwd: PC800: CB Radio >...time to open up another can of worms.... > >What is the best solution for a CB radio/Passenger Intercom on the >PC800? Let's hear about your good and bad experiences with various >name brands, sources of supply, etc. > YES!! Let's hear about it! I am especially interested in this new Honda one they came out with for the Valkyrie. I heard they were thinking about making it for ST's and PC's too. I saw a guy who had figured out a way to install it on his ST, but he had to jury rig it some. Betty Lise Anderson PC '90 8600 miles (5000 since I got it last July) Columbus, Ohio -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by saffron.neccsd.com (2.0 Build 2119 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id FAA04128; Thu, 08 Jul 1999 05:58:28 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Sattin, Harvey" To: "'rich@pdnt.com'" Cc: "'X PC 800 List'" Subject: PC800: RE: Attn Mr Fenwick Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 08:57:30 -0400 >1989 - K >1990 - L >1991 - M >etc, so on. >There is the origin of the "L" - 1990. My PC is a 1990. This is true for >all motor vehicles. The 10th digit is always a "year code." >If you look under the gas door on a PC, there is a sticker. On mine, the >top line reads: >"PC 800 L". - Therefore, it is a 1990 model. >So, actually, when I write "1990 PC800L" I am literally saying "1990 PC800 >1990" >Kinda stupid, eh? >Rich Fenwick >1990 PC800L - 17,800 miles Thanks for the valuable info Mr. Fenwick. Harvey Sattin 1998 PC800W -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 09:04:32 -0400 Subject: Re: Fwd: PC800: CB Radio To: anderson@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) anderson@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu writes: >>...time to open up another can of worms.... >> >>What is the best solution for a CB radio/Passenger Intercom on the >>PC800? Let's hear about your good and bad experiences with >various >>name brands, sources of supply, etc. >> > >YES!! Let's hear about it! I am especially interested in this new >Honda one >they came out with for the Valkyrie. I heard they were thinking >about >making it for ST's and PC's too. I saw a guy who had figured out a >way to >install it on his ST, but he had to jury rig it some. > >Betty Lise Anderson >PC '90 >8600 miles (5000 since I got it last July) >Columbus, Ohio On my trip to Sierra Electronics (http://www.sierra-mc.com/) in Ohio this past spring I saw the Honda CB mounted on a Valkyrie under the seat. The man I spoke with said it could be mounted on a Pacific Coast also. I don't know if it would fit under our seat though. It is a very thin unit so there might be room. The handlebar remote control is quite large, but gives you control over everything. At $600 WITHOUT the helmet headset (not even sure if the antenna was included for that price either) I decided on a walkie talkie style with CB/FM/Weather all in one that I mounted on my dash over the left speaker cut out (I don't have speakers). It works very well, although the FM would be better with a seek button, but the whole thing was $400 with antenna and helmet headset. I wanted to avoid having to install a separate FM radio somewhere that plugs into a CB radio so I went with this unit rather than the Chatterbox HJC-27A Tim Davies- '98 Pacific Coast,"Yankee Smuggler" Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: Re: PC800: Attn Mr Fenwick Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 08:43:24 -0400 Wasn't there at least one year when the PC wasn't produced? Did they just keep lettering like the production year wasn't skipped? Steve Zweigart Maysville, Kentucky '97 PC800 ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: R. Fenwick To: PC800 Rider Sent: Thursday, 08 July 1999 00:06 Subject: Re: PC800: Attn Mr Fenwick > OK. The 10th digit of a VIN # is a letter code for the year the vehicle > was built. Here is how it goes: > > 1980 - A > 1981 - B > 1982 - C > 1983 - D > 1984 - E > 1985 - F > 1986 - G > 1987 - H > 1988 - J > 1989 - K > 1990 - L > 1991 - M > etc, so on. > > (note that the letter "I" was not used, so it was not confused with a "1". > Also I don't believe that the letter "O" was used, for the same reason, not > to be confused with "0".) > > There is the origin of the "L" - 1990. My PC is a 1990. This is true for > all motor vehicles. The 10th digit is always a "year code." > > If you look under the gas door on a PC, there is a sticker. On mine, the > top line reads: > > "PC 800 L". - Therefore, it is a 1990 model. > > So, actually, when I write "1990 PC800L" I am literally saying "1990 PC800 > 1990" > > Kinda stupid, eh? > > Rich Fenwick > 1990 PC800L - 17,800 miles > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > From: Richard Proctor > > To: PC800 Rider > > Subject: PC800: Attn Mr Fenwick > > Date: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 7:19 PM > > > > Wot is a PC800L??? > > > > "L" for "Luxury"?? > > > > Richard Proctor > > NZ > > > > > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:25:27 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Betty Lise Anderson Subject: PC800: LCD clock you know, I wanted a clock real bad, and I haven't gotten around to finding and installing a VCO (or is it VDO? oh well) clock. Some people said they used a cheap stick-on LCD clock. I wanted to do this, for the short term, but didn't want to stick things on my dashboard. So, bought a cheap Radio Snack LCD clock with stick-on velcro, but I pitched the stick-on velcro peice, and sewed a peice of sew-on velcro to the GLOVEBOX!!!! I'm a genius! The clock is right there in plain view, and it doesn't stay in the weather when parked because I always put the glovebox in the trunk when I'm parked (can't do THAT in a car, nanny nanny boo boo). I put the velcro on the lip or flange of the glovebox in the front that goes over the zipper (it's part of the lid, but is on a vertical plane rather than a horizontal one, and doesn't interfere with the map window). This is VERY convenient. And if I get sick of it, or the clock fails, I can remove the velcro with a seam ripper. The one thing that's a pain in the neck is that the buttons to reset the clock are right on the front, and when I hit one accidently (like every time I put it in the trunk, but I'm not bitter...), it goes from displaying the time to alternating the time and date. I have to push it three more times to get it back to the mode I want. So next time I would choose a slightly different clock. But it does have a big display. Betty Lise Anderson Dept. Of Electrical Engineering The Ohio State University 205 Dreese Lab 2015 Neil Avenue Columbus OH check out the cool zip code 43210 http://eewww.eng.ohio-state.edu/~anderson/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by gehenna1.rutgers.edu with SMTP; 8 Jul 1999 13:58:04 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:57:09 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Keith Sproul Subject: PC800: CB Radio on PC-800 I have the Sierra Electronics hand-held CB/FM/Weather radio installed on my PC-800.. Althought this might not be the BEST soultion, it is the cheapest way to go... Check out: http://dorm.rutgers.edu/~ksproul/pc800radiomount.html The pictures are not the greatest, but they get the point across.. Keith Keith Sproul ksproul@rci.rutgers.edu WU2Z Student Housing Network Coordinator 732 445-3695 W Rutgers University Computing Services 732 821-4828 H -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by smtp.uscom.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 1999 07:21:22 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Carl Luft" To: "pc800" Subject: Re: PC800: Engine Temperature Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 02:34:15 -0400 >I've had my PC800 about two months now and am still learning its normal >operating characteristics. This is the first water cooled motorcycle I have >owned and I am concerned about the engine temperature. > >When I am moving at even a moderate speed the temperature gauge stays in >the middle of its range, which is where I assume it should normally operate. >However, when I commute around town and have to stop at several red lights, >the temperature gauge rapidly climes to the max. If I can stay moving for >a few >blocks the temperature falls again, but if I am in real stop-and-go traffic >the >temperature remains at the top of the range. I have checked the coolant level >and it is correct, which brings me to the fan. When i ride in cold weather or ride above 30 MPH the gauge shows about 1/4 the way through the range. That seems to be the place were the thermostate opens up. when it's above 75degrees or I'm stoped, It can go up to about 3/4 then the fan kicks in and it drop to about 2/3 and shuts off. The fan seems to cool things down even on the hottest days and I'm satisfied that the coolant and fan is doing it's job. Your gauge seems to be acting the same way but to the hotter side of the range. I have never had my fan stay on for more then 1 minute at a time and It cycles on and off. Carl Luft PC800 ,97 "PROTEUS" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Doug" To: , "Betty Lise Anderson" Subject: Re: PC800: LCD clock Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:43:32 -0700 Betty,, you are just soooo clever..now I have to learn to sew...thanks for the idea.. Doug 94 Knight Rider -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Betty Lise Anderson To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 6:27 AM Subject: PC800: LCD clock > >you know, I wanted a clock real bad, and I haven't gotten around to finding >and installing a VCO (or is it VDO? oh well) clock. Some people said they >used a cheap stick-on LCD clock. I wanted to do this, for the short term, >but didn't want to stick things on my dashboard. > >So, bought a cheap Radio Snack LCD clock with stick-on velcro, but I >pitched the stick-on velcro peice, and sewed a peice of sew-on velcro to >the GLOVEBOX!!!! I'm a genius! The clock is right there in plain view, and >it doesn't stay in the weather when parked because I always put the >glovebox in the trunk when I'm parked (can't do THAT in a car, nanny nanny >boo boo). I put the velcro on the lip or flange of the glovebox in the >front that goes over the zipper (it's part of the lid, but is on a vertical >plane rather than a horizontal one, and doesn't interfere with the map >window). This is VERY convenient. And if I get sick of it, or the clock >fails, I can remove the velcro with a seam ripper. > >The one thing that's a pain in the neck is that the buttons to reset the >clock are right on the front, and when I hit one accidently (like every >time I put it in the trunk, but I'm not bitter...), it goes from displaying >the time to alternating the time and date. I have to push it three more >times to get it back to the mode I want. So next time I would choose a >slightly different clock. But it does have a big display. > >Betty Lise Anderson >Dept. Of Electrical Engineering >The Ohio State University >205 Dreese Lab 2015 Neil Avenue Columbus OH check out the cool zip code 43210 >http://eewww.eng.ohio-state.edu/~anderson/ > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m3.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id EEZWFK3E; Thu, 08 Jul 1999 10:46:58 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:40:36 -0500 Subject: PC800: Helmet Pegs From: Pamela J Stomberg FWIW, I never know what to do with my helmet when I just want to get into my trunk or I just want a to set it down for a minute. Last night, my husband installed a helmet peg for a GL1500. All you have to do is remove the screw/bolt that attaches the clutch level and replace it with the peg. I think it's very handy. If you are to put one on the right side, you would have to remove a small bit of plastic. It works great, unfortunately, 1500 owners need everything chromed and I would just as soon have it black. Oh well. 1998 PC 4584 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by smtp.uscom.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 1999 08:01:59 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Carl Luft" To: "pc800" Subject: Re: PC800: Fuel guage/operating temps Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:59:08 -0400 >Jim, > >I agree the gas guage is pretty reliable. I like to use both the odometer >and gas guage but this last weekend putting too much faith in the odometer >got me into trouble. See my earlier post "Weekend Trip". > >Roger On the way to the honda hoot, I got to about 170 and the needle on the guage was at the botton of the hose on the gaspump and i thought," lastyear I got 53 MPG on the way back from the hoot and on one fillup I had the needle pointing at the nozzle". So, I decided to go on and about 180 miles I chickn'd out and stoped to fillup. Good I did cause it took 4.2 gal. The book shows capacity at 4.3 and with the needle on the nozzel that one time it took 4.4 gal. there was a big drop in mileage and the worse was 42MPG. On the way home I got it back up to 50Mpg with a tail wind. With that much difference, I decided the guage is the thing to go by. I need a break anyway at about 170 Carl Luft PC800 ,97 "PROTEUS" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m3.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id EEZXANLG; Thu, 08 Jul 1999 11:01:45 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:56:17 -0500 Subject: PC800: Tail Lights From: Pamela J Stomberg Last night, I replaced the stock tail lights with 2357's. What a difference they make. Thank you list for the advice. 1998 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 12:43:41 -0400 Subject: PC800: Service Wait Question To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) This question is for those of you who take your Pacific Coast to a Honda dealer at your scheduled service times ( 8K, 12K, 16K etc.). Do you have to leave your bike and come back in one or two days to pick it up, or will they do it while you wait? My dealer (under new ownership since I bought my PC800 there last year) wants to give me the run around about service while I wait (I don't care how long I have to wait) and I'm just wondering if I am really asking for something that is unusual. I'm up for my 16K service (I'll have to combine my 12K with it) when I get back from the Honda Homecoming and it is mostly inspections that need to be done, so it's a no big deal job as far as I can see. All comments will be appreciated:-) Tim Davies- '98 Pacific Coast,"Yankee Smuggler" Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 13:08:29 -0400 To: Betty Lise Anderson From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: Fwd: PC800: CB Radio Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 8:43 AM -0400 7/8/99, Betty Lise Anderson wrote: > >YES!! Let's hear about it! I am especially interested in this new Honda one >they came out with for the Valkyrie. I looked carefully at one of these at Americade this year. They had a few of them at the Sierra Electronic booth. I must admit that it looks nice, and it is a nice solution, with good controls, etc.....but the show special price was $500. To that you still need to add a headset, headset and a helmet extension cord. I was tempted, none the less, as it would be a permanent solution, but that price is a bit steep for me. So far my first choice is the HJC-27A from Chatterbox. The unit is small, has an optional handlebar mounted remote, and a feed in for a Walkman. I have been told by Chatterbox that if the CB is used for incoming/outgoing, then the Walkman input is muted automatically. These units are about $220 at Motorcyle Accessory Depot. fsl ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Francois Saint Laurent Borg Consulting Ottawa, Canada 613.841.5752 VMS Systems Consulting Year 2000 Compliance - Security Evaluations Product Beta Testing - Product Evaluation mailto:fsl@borgconsulting.com "Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 13:13:36 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Alexander To: "'PC800 Rider'" , "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: RE: PC800: Service Wait Question Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:07:54 -0700 Tim, when I was dealing with the original dealer I bought my first PC, my '89 Transalp and my '91 ST1100, I was usually able to call ahead and schedule a time to bring the bikes in for things like tire changes or oil & filter and wait around or take a ride on a demo bike or used bike in their inventory. I would then be able to ride my bike home after the service. This was an accommodating dealer. Most service managers don't like to do this because they never know what else would be happening on any particular day. They would also try to accommodate people who were on trips that had problems. I appreciated this and understood that it could delay my service. If I was having something more major done, stuff that required the plastic to come off, I would usually ride the bike to the dealer with a friend following, take the plastic off, and leave the bike overnight. It was not always convenient, but it made a better impression on the dealer and service manager, so when I wanted to wait, they were more accepting of my request. It just made it easier to deal with them when I showed some flexibility. I think the inspections you are talking about should be something you can schedule, take off the plastic at the dealer yourself, and then put it back on when they are done. They should be willing to work with you, as long as you can schedule it ahead of time. Don't try to do it on a Saturday, because everyone wants to do that. Try for a day in the middle of the week like Wednesday or Thursday. Also try to schedule it in the morning, not the afternoon ... and have an alternate plan for returning home if they can't get it done in your timeframe even on the day it was scheduled. Let them know of you contingency plans. It will go a long ways toward smoothing over your desire to wait for the bike. Taking the plastic off is something they appreciate because the mechnics hate to remove it because of the exposure over breakage. They are always concerned that the owner may have broken something themselves and take the bike in for service, don't mention the breakage to the service manager, then claim the mechanic must have done the damage. It's the little things that will make the difference to the service guys. Jim Alexander Concord California '98 ST1100 STar Chaser HSTA 2307SU AMA 415932 STOC #009 On 7/8/99 9:44 AM, PC800 Rider [SMTP:pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us] wrote: > This question is for those of you who take your Pacific Coast to a > Honda dealer at your scheduled service times ( 8K, 12K, 16K etc.). > Do you have to leave your bike and come back in one or two days to > pick it up, or will they do it while you wait? My dealer (under new > ownership since I bought my PC800 there last year) wants to give me > the run around about service while I wait (I don't care how long I > have to wait) and I'm just wondering if I am really asking for > something that is unusual. I'm up for my 16K service (I'll have to > combine my 12K with it) when I get back from the Honda Homecoming > and it is mostly inspections that need to be done, so it's a no big > deal job as far as I can see. > > All comments will be appreciated:-) > > Tim Davies- '98 Pacific Coast,"Yankee Smuggler" > Seneca Falls, New York 13148 > > AMA #688662 > HSTA #8387 > HRCA #HM100878 > > "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 13:15:36 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 13:14:39 -0400 From: dana sawyer Subject: PC800: Clocks, etc. To: HondaPacificCoastOwners charset=ISO-8859-1 For those of you thinking about installing a clock, I offer the following= : DANA SAWYER VDO is a company that makes quality instruments. For a catalog, call USI Wholesale Distribution toll-free at 800/877-4798.The instruments that I purchased are shown on page 16. My mechanic installed them for me, and di= d a first-class job! He installed them in the upper inside corners of the dash panels where radio speakers could be mounted. I would suggest that y= ou discuss the possible installation with a friend or your mechanic. I did n= ot want to tackle the job myself. I am extremely pleased with the installation! Retail prices for the gauges were $36.50 for the voltmeter and $49.95 for the quartz clock. I paid about $60 for the gauges ($21.90= for the voltmeter and $29.97 for the quartz clock) plus $6.39 freight for= a total of $58.26, and probably two hour's time for my mechanic to install them (at $49 an hour.) That made my installation about $150, but I have n= o regrets The gauges are illuminated for night reading. They have black fac= es with white numerals, and also have gauges with white faces and black numerals (see page 17). I wanted gauges to closely match my stock instruments. My mechanic made a wiring harness for the gauges and did all= the wiring up under the fairing from the front. It wasn't a super difficult job, but my mechanic is a true craftsman and I wanted his speci= al touch in installing them! Detailed installation instructions are included= , but no wiring. = My voltmeter shows 13 volts on the gauge (13 1/2 volts at the battery) consistently while riding along the road. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Here's an old post about installing these gauges... Wiring the two items shouldn't take too long or get too complicated. Print this out, take a deep breath, and don't rush things. = The clock probably has three wires - a ground wire and two positive leads. One lead goes to a circuit that's "hot" all the time. Direct to the battery is fine but you might want to add a fuse somewhere inline too. This lead keeps the clock timer running when the bike isn't running. The other positive lead goes to a "switched" power source and is used to light the clock display. One of the front running lights is probably sufficient as a power source or you could wire it up to the rear accessory outlet you already found. The ground wire need only be connected to the bike frame and any screw or bolt in the frame should make a good anchor point. = Voltmeter: Again, a "switched" is needed so it only operates while the bike is running. A good ground connection a necessity. Wiring: You could share both these items off the same wires with no trouble. Neither uses more than a smidgen of current. The simplest approach would be to tap into the running light wires you'll find near The l/r mirror assemblies. Careful 'cause you'll have a ground and a pos for the running light and another pos for turn signal - the turn signal lead you want to avoid. For the constant positive lead on the clock you can run a wire down the right side of the bike to the battery and connect it up directly to the battery (consider a fuse too). An alternative to tapping the running light wire is to run a lead back along the right side of the bike to the accessory jack under the seat. Be careful that your connections are secure and weatherproof. If Possible, get some "shrink tubing" to cover the wire connections instead Of electrical tape. Shrink tubing does just what its name implies when You heat it with a heat source (heat gun, match, lighter, etc) making a Tight weather-proof seal. Soldering connections is more reliable than Snap-type or crimp type connectors but it's not crucial for these types Of accessories. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Desmond Cockburn To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Service Wait Question Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 10:44:41 PDT Snip, snip >Do you have to leave your bike and come back in one or two days to >pick it up, or will they do it while you wait? My dealer, Green Country Honda in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma, tells me they can do the 12 K service on my 95 in an hour, while I wait and while I watch. No extra charge for watching. I want to watch them do the service so I can insure that no tabs get broken off or screws left out, ect, ect. I bought the bike from them, buy all my oil, filters, accessories, new helmet, books and stuff from them. When I took it in to have a new K 177 installed I put a couple dozen donuts in the trunk and left a box with the service guys and a box for the office guys. They seemed to appreciate it and the 10% discount on the tire more than covered the cost of the donuts. Des 95 PC, Dream Weaver Okmulgee, Ok. "When reality looks too ugly, just fantasize. It can't hurt." Jimmy Buffett _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 10:35:55 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: rich@pdnt.com CC: PC800 Rider Subject: Re: PC800: Attn Mr Fenwick Hi Rich, R. Fenwick wrote: > OK. The 10th digit of a VIN # is a letter code for the year the vehicle > was built. Here is how it goes: > > 1991 - M > etc, so on. > > (note that the letter "I" was not used, so it was not confused with a "1". > Also I don't believe that the letter "O" was used, for the same reason, not > to be confused with "0".) They must have not used "Q" either because my '94 has an "R" in that position. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 135,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 10:00:23 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: MTW CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "R. Fenwick" Subject: Re: PC800: Engine Temp. (MTW's Response) Hi Mike, MTW wrote: > When the bike was new, it ran cooler, barely in the operating temp range. In > stop and go on a hot day it would hit mid point, and the fan would kick > in..Now on the highway in the summer the needle rides about 1/3 up from the > the left red line and in traffic from 1/2 to 3/4 range. I'm interested in the fact that you have seen any change at all. Mine still sits in the temperature ranges that you describe for yours when it was new and look at the miles I have on mine. Have you changed your antifreeze as often as Honda recommends? Has anyone else who has changed antifreeze regularly seen a change in where the temperature gauge sits since the bike was new? -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 135,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 10:14:41 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Ralph Couey CC: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: Fuel guage/operating temps Hi Ralph, Ralph Couey wrote: > Intellectually, I know that it's better to rely on a m/c odometer rather > than a m/c fuel gauge, but emotionally, it's hard to ignore that needle > buried in the "E" end of the scale when I know darn good and well that I > have at least two gallons left. Does anybody know of a way to adjust > the gauge or the sensor so that it reads more accurately? It's such a > small thing, I know, but hopefully one less topic for my analyst. I know of no way to adjust the gauge but I've gotten used to following a procedure with mine. I just watch mine to climb above the E. And I use the odometer. I ride mine 80 miles after the needle reaches the end of the white line as long as I have 140 miles or more on the tank at that point; otherwise I ride 70 miles after that point. Of course, I do this only when I have a good idea of where my next gas station is. I'm averaging over 4 gallons per fill because I run the tank down so far most of the time. Oh, and when I decide the needle has reached the end of the white line, I back off to the last multiple of 5 miles. I've played this game approximately 624 times and have lost only 6 times. (grin) On at least one of those occasions, I came coasting (dead stick landing) up to the gas pump... The guy next to me said, "that's cutting it a little close!" I responded with, "tell me about it..." When I first started playing this game, I tested to see how far I could go after hitting the bottom of the white line given the way I ride the bike. For purposes of the test, I carried a small gas can in the trunk with a known amount of gas in it. Honda says .8 gallons left when you reach the red but mine is more like 1.1 gallons. FWIW... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 135,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 13:00:05 -0500 To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" From: "R. Fenwick" Subject: PC800: 10th digit of the VIN. This lettering scheme is NOT a PC specific thing. It is true for all cars, trucks, vans, motorcycles, etc. It does not matter if a model was made in a specific year or not. This pattern stays the same, even if a model is not made in a particular year. To complete the list: 1980 - A 1981 - B 1982 - C 1983 - D 1984 - E 1985 - F 1986 - G 1987 - H 1988 - J 1989 - K 1990 - L 1991 - M 1992 - N 1993 - P 1994 - R 1995 - S 1996 - T 1997 - V 1998 - W 1999 - X Note there are letters that are skipped, namely I, O, Q, and U. Therefore, a 1996 PC is a PC800T. If there HAD been a 1993 PC built, it WOULD HAVE BEEN a PC800P. Rich... At 08:43 AM 7/8/99 -0400, Steven R. Zweigart wrote: >Wasn't there at least one year when the PC wasn't produced? Did they just >keep lettering like the production year wasn't skipped? > >Steve Zweigart >Maysville, Kentucky >'97 PC800 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: R. Fenwick >To: PC800 Rider >Sent: Thursday, 08 July 1999 00:06 >Subject: Re: PC800: Attn Mr Fenwick > > >> OK. The 10th digit of a VIN # is a letter code for the year the vehicle >> was built. Here is how it goes: >> >> 1980 - A >> 1981 - B >> 1982 - C >> 1983 - D >> 1984 - E >> 1985 - F >> 1986 - G >> 1987 - H >> 1988 - J >> 1989 - K >> 1990 - L >> 1991 - M >> etc, so on. >> >> (note that the letter "I" was not used, so it was not confused with a "1". >> Also I don't believe that the letter "O" was used, for the same reason, >not >> to be confused with "0".) >> >> There is the origin of the "L" - 1990. My PC is a 1990. This is true for >> all motor vehicles. The 10th digit is always a "year code." >> >> If you look under the gas door on a PC, there is a sticker. On mine, the >> top line reads: >> >> "PC 800 L". - Therefore, it is a 1990 model. >> >> So, actually, when I write "1990 PC800L" I am literally saying "1990 PC800 >> 1990" >> >> Kinda stupid, eh? >> >> Rich Fenwick >> 1990 PC800L - 17,800 miles >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------- >> > From: Richard Proctor >> > To: PC800 Rider >> > Subject: PC800: Attn Mr Fenwick >> > Date: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 7:19 PM >> > >> > Wot is a PC800L??? >> > >> > "L" for "Luxury"?? >> > >> > Richard Proctor >> > NZ >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Visit the PC800 web page at >> > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >> > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >> > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >> -- >> Visit the PC800 web page at >> To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >> message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >> To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >> > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by land.willinet.net with SMTP; 8 Jul 1999 13:02:38 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 13:09:21 -0500 From: Ryan To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Fuel guage/operating temps There is a way to modify the guage to read correctly, I've seen it in the archives somewhere. Ryan -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mocha.memphis.edu (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3067) Thu, 8 Jul 1999 13:45:46 CST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 13:37:13 -0500 From: "David L. Sigsbee" Subject: Re: PC800: Fuel guage/operating temps To: ryan@e-etc.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Reply-to: dsigsbee@memphis.edu X-Corel-MessageType: EMail <3784E951.25D7@e-etc.com> I second Ryan. There is info on this in the archives, which I followed, and it worked perfectly. Now, when the needle is in the middle of the red empty mark, I have one-half gallon left, the exact margin I wanted. Also, the needle now tracks quite accurately and I can predict within one tenth of a gallon how much gas I have left. --David -- David L. Sigsbee Work: 901 678-2690 JO 404, University Honors Program Fax: 901 678-5367 University of Memphis E-Mail: dsigsbee@memphis.edu Memphis, TN 38152-6140 Home: 901 327-3848 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:56:15 -0300 To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: Fuel guage/operating temps Ralph Couey wrote: >> Intellectually, I know that it's better to rely on a m/c odometer rather >> than a m/c fuel gauge, This makes no sense at all. If you drive at 55 miles an hour you'll run out of gas about 150 miles later, if you drive at 100mph, you'll run out in half that time. You can either keep a running tab in your head of how long you drove at each speed and try to do the integration, or you can just look at your fuel guage. -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EE2DT4QL; Thu, 08 Jul 1999 15:15:56 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: di9731@vci.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 13:13:27 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Compass From: Harvey P Sattin Doug, Did you stick your compass *on* the windshield? If so, how far above the bottom? ~Harvey Sattin Brookline, MA On Wed, 7 Jul 1999 13:33:02 -0700 "Doug" writes: >I have a cheapie one from Walmart, has hinge and bottom portion is >stuck >under windshield with the double sided tape. Works well,,and you can >raise >it out of the way,,(I put my helmet resting on handle bars) ,,,Have >never >had a problem with it and is accurate >Good Luck.. >Doug >94 Knight Rider > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 13:00:37 -0700 (PDT) From: John La Subject: PC800: Re: PC800 Backrest failure To: "Brian D. Riebesell" Cc: pclist Brian- I think the Utopia product is a quality product, however... The Utopia backrest "piggybacks" onto the original backrest from Honda. In the PC800 archives, there have been several mentions of failure of the bracket that holds on the original backrest, even when used on it's own. The welds on the original bracket break and the whole thing tumbles into the street. In my case, I was lucky because I was not carrying a passenger at the time. If a passenger were leaning against the backrest, they would have likely fallen backwards into the street. I had the bracket re-welded and I think it is better than new. I have not had the backrest upholstery re-done because I am in the process of changing my seat color to black. Bottom line, I would not recommend using the Original Honda backrest unless you reinforce the welds. After that is done, I think the Utopia is a nice addition. John --- "Brian D. Riebesell" wrote: > John, > > Nice web site...It has been a helpful tool for > Pacific Coast information. > > I own a '97 PC and I love it. I saw your > backrest modification page and pictures and > I have a couple of questions. I'm seriously > considering the Utopia backrest to "piggy-back" > on top of my Honda backrest, which is pretty > much useless. > > What are your comfort reviews on this backrest > setup? > > Is the Utopia backrest easy to remove? (I'd like > to only put it on when I going for long rides with > my wife) > > Have the multiple backrest positions been useful? > (Utopia's adjustment features). > > What complaints do you have about this backrest > setup? > > > Thanks! > > > P.S. If you ever plan to roll through the Rockies, > give me a shout, and I'll show you the "good" roads! > :) > > > Brian Riebesell > Colorado Springs, Colorado > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 16:03:18 -0400 From: Bill McKenna http://www.mint.net/~bmckenna/nerfk; ...... ....... Augusta Rotary Club http://www.augustarotary.org To: St1100@st1100.com, Honda Sport Touring Association , "ldrider@ldriders.org" , "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" , "Short Biker's List" , "Digest, Motorcycle Safety" Subject: PC800: Chase Harper 50% Discount At the now historic NESTOC99 gathering in Lake Placid - I won, amongst other things, a 50% discount coupon for all things Chase Harper (purchased from Chase Harper direct) as donated by Ron Harper, Himself. (THANKS RON!!! & Simon Brooks!!) Since I am more than reasonably well equipped, with Bagster, RKA, etc. ... along with skads of leftover STuff from days-gone-by.... bla bla bla (whatcha need?) I will let this coupon go to the highest bidder, USD. Payable *not* to me, but to the "Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation of the US" and hence US tax deductible... and the $$ will go to Pediatric Brain Tumor Research. Other donations always accepted on their behalf as well... Reply Direct. mailto:bmckenna@mint.net Put HARPER BID in your subject line Bids close noon 7/21. Coupon mailed USPS 1st Class. Regards to All, Bill -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill McKenna - AugustaMaine - USA Say "YES" to Life!! Visit the New England Ride for Kids(r) Page @ http://www.mint.net/~bmckenna/nerfk Help us if you can. ~~ Keep up to date, Sign onto the NERFK update-list ~~ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" , "PC800 Rider" Subject: Re: PC800: Service Wait Question Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:50:27 -0400 I was told that my dealer would do service-while-you-wait. Giving them the benefit of the doubt, I thought I'd try for a whole day of leaving the bike in the shop. Tried to schedule it. He said they were packed, and that if I brought it (that day), I'd need to leave it a couple of weeks. (AARRGH!!!) So I came up with the bright idea to try to schedule my service about a month down the road for when I would be on vacation. It took me a while to convince the guy to actually pick up the calendar, open it, then pencil me in, but once he did, we came to an agreement which will allow me to drop it off...it will supposedly be fixed during the week I'm gone (regardless of other vehicles "in line")....and I'll pick it up when I return (eagerly). I leave for vacation in a couple of weeks. We'll see how it goes. Apparently, service-while-you-wait has gone out the window. It was explained to me that an exploding quad business to farmers, etc. has "clogged" the service line. I guess people are hard on those things, and need them fixed pretty quickly once they become reliant on them. Perhaps we should suggest a return to the horse. Steve Zweigart Maysville, Kentucky '97 PC 800 ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PC800 Rider To: Sent: Thursday, 08 July 1999 12:43 Subject: PC800: Service Wait Question > This question is for those of you who take your Pacific Coast to a > Honda dealer at your scheduled service times ( 8K, 12K, 16K etc.). > Do you have to leave your bike and come back in one or two days to > pick it up, or will they do it while you wait? My dealer (under new > ownership since I bought my PC800 there last year) wants to give me > the run around about service while I wait (I don't care how long I > have to wait) and I'm just wondering if I am really asking for > something that is unusual. I'm up for my 16K service (I'll have to > combine my 12K with it) when I get back from the Honda Homecoming > and it is mostly inspections that need to be done, so it's a no big > deal job as far as I can see. > > All comments will be appreciated:-) > > Tim Davies- '98 Pacific Coast,"Yankee Smuggler" > Seneca Falls, New York 13148 > > AMA #688662 > HSTA #8387 > HRCA #HM100878 > > "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Peter Noeth To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Service Wait Question Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:51:22 -0700 Tim, Since I am single, I always wait for my service to be performed, since I don't have anyone to shuttle me back and forth. So far, the 4k and 8k services only took a couple of hours, plus cool down time for the bike. When I schedule for service, I always let the service manager know that I intend to wait for it so I tend to get scheduled in as the first service of the day (start of business). Then I usually show up about an hour to hour and a half (depending on the morning air temprature) before they open to give the bike extra cool down time before they start on it. Consequently, if they start work at 9am, my service is usually done before noon. The waiting time is usually spent talking to the sales guys, or sometimes getting a demo ride. Since moving here to Rocklin and previously having service done at Milpitas Honda (I am now about 2.5 hours ride one way) I guess I will have to get up extra early on service days. I have always bought and serviced my bikes there, and I trust the techs to be able to undress and redress the bike correctly. The nearest dealer to me now is in Roseville (about 10 minuites away), but I will not have the bike serviced there untill I can some recomendations and check with Milpitas Honda for their opinion. Regards, Peter Noeth || KE6ZJA || Rocklin, CA || Fireball, '96 w/ 10k > ---------- > From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 9:43 AM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: Service Wait Question > > This question is for those of you who take your Pacific Coast to a > Honda dealer at your scheduled service times ( 8K, 12K, 16K etc.). > Do you have to leave your bike and come back in one or two days to > pick it up, or will they do it while you wait? My dealer (under new > ownership since I bought my PC800 there last year) wants to give me > the run around about service while I wait (I don't care how long I > have to wait) and I'm just wondering if I am really asking for > something that is unusual. I'm up for my 16K service (I'll have to > combine my 12K with it) when I get back from the Honda Homecoming > and it is mostly inspections that need to be done, so it's a no big > deal job as far as I can see. > > All comments will be appreciated:-) > > Tim Davies- '98 Pacific Coast,"Yankee Smuggler" > Seneca Falls, New York 13148 > > AMA #688662 > HSTA #8387 > HRCA #HM100878 > > "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 16:54:02 -0500 From: Ralph Couey To: "Leland C. Sheppard" , "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: Fuel guage/operating temps Hi Leland, I've been stretching the edge of the envelope these past two weeks. The trouble is they're doing construction on I-70 during the day, so in the afternoons, I take U.S. 40 home. On the interstate I go 75-80 mph and usually get 43 mpg. If I keep the speeds down below 65 (U.S. 40) my mileage goes up to 40-50 mpg. Last week, I gassed up at 120 miles on the trip meter and put in almost exactly three gallons. This week, I gassed up at 120 miles and put in 2.6 gallons. This'll take some thought, but I'm sure I'll work something out. I was complaining to SWMBO about the mileage and she patted my belly and said, "It's the load on the bike, dear." You think she was trying to tell me something? --Ralph "Leland C. Sheppard" wrote: > > Hi Ralph, > > I know of no way to adjust the gauge but I've gotten used to following a > procedure with mine. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 16:57:13 -0500 From: Ralph Couey To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: TTFN Going off list for two weeks for vacation. Ride safe, y'all! --Ralph Couey -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Helmet Pegs Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:57:51 +0200 >FWIW, I never know what to do with my helmet when I just want to get into >my trunk or I just want a to set it down for a minute. Last night, my >husband installed a helmet peg for a GL1500. Arvid showed me the PC's helmet peg on the ACPC99 tour. You put your PC on the sidestand, hang the helmet on the right hand footpeg and voila.... It is a great bike, isn't it...built in helmet pegs, wow.... : ) Emile http://fly.to/emile -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by land.willinet.net with SMTP; 8 Jul 1999 17:07:25 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 17:14:08 -0500 From: Ryan To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Helmet Pegs > Arvid showed me the PC's helmet peg on the ACPC99 tour. > You put your PC on the sidestand, hang the helmet on the right hand > footpeg and voila.... > It is a great bike, isn't it...built in helmet pegs, wow.... : ) I've done this a couple times but the heat from the exaust worries me. The helmet is always real warm after I pick it back up. Ryan -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Helmet Pegs Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 00:14:54 +0200 >I've done this a couple times but the heat from the exaust >worries me. The helmet is always real warm after I pick >it back up. >Ryan Yeah, isn't it great (in winter :)) ? Emile http://fly.to/emile -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Arvid_L=F8vik?= To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: Re: Pc 800 Helmet Pegs Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 00:21:14 +0200 > I've done this a couple times but the heat from the exaust > worries me. The helmet is always real warm after I pick > it back up. > > Ryan > -- That's one of the reasons the Honda engineers put the Exhaust there. It will dry the helmet if it has been raining and warm it a bit for us = poor souls up north who has summer three days a year ( if we are lucky) Can't complain now though. Beautiful summer in Norway right now!!!! Regards Arvid Emile, go and get that beer... NOW !!!!! ----------------------------------------------------=20 My Home page is at: http://get.to/arvid NB !! New pictures from the ACPC'99 Ralley !! Reach me by ICQ. My ICQ# is 15279399 or, * Page me online through my Personal Communication Center: = http://wwp.mirabilis.com/15279399 (go there and try it!) or, * Send me E-mail Express directly to my computer screen = 15279399@pager.mirabilis.com My Fax Number is: + 47 - 51 54 23 99 My Home Telephone Number is: + 47 - 51 54 37 96 Arvid L=F8vik ----------------------------------------------------
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-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Service Wait Question Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 00:23:42 +0200 >It was explained to me that an exploding quad business to farmers, etc. has >"clogged" the service line. >Perhaps we should suggest a return to the horse. I'm not gonna ride a horse to work, forget it Steve ! I always make an appointment with my shop for maintenance (synchronise agenda's, working irregular days helps..), drop of the bike and get the free loaner bike (CB1) for the time he needs my bike (usually end of the day or next day). Works great and I love riding that CB1 for a day, it always makes me enjoy my PC sooo much more : ). Emile http://fly.to/emile -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bill Kapinski" To: Subject: PC800: Re: wind turbulence and noise Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 18:50:03 -0500 I had a 98 PC with the tall Hondaline wind screen. Besides being noisy, = turbulence enhancing, and not crystal clear, it wasn't bad.. hehe. It's = really not a very good piece of equipment. I purchased a Rifle shield = with color matched fairing.... As advertised, it reduced substantially = the noise and turbulence, and it made the bike look sharper with the = color matched fairing. Believe this or not, in my experience it actually = made the bike handle better (more stable). Another believe it or not, it = actually collected less bugs than the Hondaline. I guess because of = it's more pronounced angle of attack. The cost was about the same as the = Hondaline. After installing it for me my dealer started recommending = them to his customers, as mine was the first one he had any experience = with. Bill '98 Goldwing SE '98 PC Sold them to his customers, as mine was the first one he had any experience=20 with.
 
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-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ECBKWRITER@aol.com Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 20:43:14 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: CB Radio To: anderson@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu FYI: Evie & I have some neighbors, Bobby & Marie (RedPC800@aol.com) who have had the CB for the Valkyre, and an FM/Sterio, installed in her 'red 96 PC800 by Sierra Electronics. The installation looks Factory (especially the fold-down antenna - ala Goldwing) and the way the "L" brackets fit up under the side "bumpers" to hold the antenna - and the adjustable, Valkyre highway pegs on the front - is ingenious, to say the least. When we get around to finding and buying the PC that Evie wants, we plan to have it outfitted exactly like Marie's. KenT & EvieC. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: DaleDoty@aol.com for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 21:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 21:17:00 EDT Subject: PC800: Re: PC800 Electrical Problems FINAL UPDATE To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu As you may have followed, my PC died: no dash idiot lights, no starter, etc. Dead battery right? I jumped the bike and it turned over fine, HOWEVER - all electrical flickers: dash lights, headlight, etc. Most disconcerting was the tach which fluctuated from idle speed to redline, all while the bike was idling. When attempting to ride, the bike missed, backfired, tach fluctuated to wildly high RPM's. After running for about 10 minutes, I turned the bike off and attempted to restart - NOTHING AGAIN. Charging the battery did not work: battery was DEAD, wouldn't hold a charge. Once the battery was replaced: NO MORE PROBLEMS. The advise from the list was EXTREMELY VALUABLE ! THANKS to all who responded. The lesson I learned is that many electrical problems result from running the bike on a low battery. Fortunately for me there were no other problems that could have also accompanied the dead battery: no regulator problem, no stator problem. It sure pays owners to remain on this helpful list. Dale R. Doty, Ph.D. Tulsa, Oklahoma 1989 PC HRCA # 721761 HSTA # 8781 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 22:23:58 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jim Alexander" To: "LD Rider" , "Honda Sport Touring Association" , "Pacific Coast" , "ST1100 List" Subject: PC800: Cyclecomm headsets available Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 19:23:44 -0700 For those people looking for an alternative to J$M headset, Cyclecomm headsets are available. I have no financial interest in this announcement nor am I receiving any compensation (except for satisfaction that I may save someone from dealing with J$M), I am doing it as a favor to Ron Fischer. In the past I used J$M headsets and Cyclecomm headsets. I found Cyclecomm to have superior sound quality over J$M. I am sure his new design is better still. Sadly, I have an Autocom system which is not compatible with these fine products. I sent an E-mail to Ron and this was the response. Please contact him directly at the below E-mail address, phone number, fax number or address. His headsets come with the cord, unlike J$M which charges another $20 to $50 dollars for the connector cords. I told Ron I would post it if he didn't mind and he said (and I quote) "Yes Jim, please do and thanks much." Please pass this information on to others who may be looking for headsets. It should be noted that he also has radios, CBs, even CD-Changers. You can see the info on his web site at www.cyclecomm.com Jim Alexander Concord, CA '98 ST1100 STar Chaser HSTA #2307SU AMA #415932 STOC #009 Ron Fischer wrote: Yes I have new headsets available with 75 ohm hi fi speakers. The reg price is $179.00. My discount price is $139.00 plus $5.00 shipping. Please specify if for open or full face helmets. Thanks for your interest Ron Fischer 3300 Castle Road Woodstock, IL 60098 Phone 815-337-7578 Fax 815-337-0340 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: jgoula cc: PC800 From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Re:found a new tire of "Wed, 07 Jul 1999 17:01:39 -0800." <3783F873.AA415AA1@ims.alaska.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 22:11:59 -0500 jgoula writes: > FWIW, a good friend of mine installed a set of IRC "Sport-Touring" tire= s on h is > SilverWing and I quote him: "I've never been so scared of my bike's han= dling. " > So, caveat emptor. Thanks, that's just the kind of info I've been looking for. At those = prices IRC tires should be dominating the market if only they didn't = alienate their riders. Based on magazine advertised prices it appears I can get Dunlop K491-II's for the same price as Dennis Kirk lists IRC on their web site. I *know* DK will beat such prices by $1, and maybe throw in free shipping to boot. But it goes against my sense of fair play not to give my business to those stick their neck out *first* to gain my business. For those who tuned in late, my non-PC is a 1984 Honda VT500FT Ascot, = which still has the original front tire. Rear tire is only a couple of = years newer. In many ways the Ascot is a small naked PC with 6-speeds. '98 PC800 '93.5 Infiniti G20 '84 VT500FT '83 Porsche 928S (5) cats, various years -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 23:28:55 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Cyclecomm headsets available To: JamesAlexander@csi.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: ron@cyclecomm..com From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) I too have no commercial connection to Ron's company, just a user of his products. I've been using the CycleComm (Commander Communications now I think) 75 ohm hi-fi headset since May and I like it very much. It takes very little audio output from my CB or FM radio to get high volume, crystal clear sound from the speakers and I have had no complaints about the quality of the microphone when I transmit. I have a Nolan N-100 helmet with the flip up chin guard and the whole unit fits very easily into it. I find this headset to be a step above the Chatterbox one I had with my HJC-90 when I played music from a radio through it. Voice is about the same as I recall. Anyone coming to the Honda Homecoming in Marysville, Ohio (7/22-24) is welcome to give a listen. I wear an XL size helmet so I'm sure you will fit in:-) Tim Davies- '98 Pacific Coast,"Yankee Smuggler" Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" JamesAlexander@csi.com writes: >For those people looking for an alternative to J$M headset, >Cyclecomm >headsets are available. > >I have no financial interest in this announcement nor am I >receiving any >compensation (except for satisfaction that I may save someone from >dealing >with J$M), I am doing it as a favor to Ron Fischer. In the past I >used J$M >headsets and Cyclecomm headsets. I found Cyclecomm to have >superior sound >quality over J$M. I am sure his new design is better still. >Sadly, I have >an Autocom system which is not compatible with these fine products. > >I sent an E-mail to Ron and this was the response. Please >contact him >directly at the below E-mail address, phone number, fax number or >address. >His headsets come with the cord, unlike J$M which charges another >$20 to $50 >dollars for the connector cords. > >I told Ron I would post it if he didn't mind and he said (and I >quote) "Yes >Jim, please do and thanks much." >Please pass this information on to others who may be looking for >headsets. >It should be noted that he also has radios, CBs, even CD-Changers. > You can >see the info on his web site at www.cyclecomm.com > >Jim Alexander Concord, CA >'98 ST1100 STar Chaser >HSTA #2307SU AMA #415932 STOC #009 > >Ron Fischer wrote: > >Yes I have new headsets available with 75 ohm hi fi speakers. The >reg price >is $179.00. My discount price is $139.00 plus $5.00 shipping. >Please specify >if for open or full face helmets. >Thanks for your interest >Ron Fischer >3300 Castle Road >Woodstock, IL 60098 >Phone 815-337-7578 >Fax 815-337-0340 > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: dwilkers@us.ibm.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 20:45:21 -0400 >>In my case, I was lucky because I was not carrying a >>passenger at the time. If a passenger were leaning >>against the backrest, they would have likely fallen >>backwards into the street. Anyone had this problem with the Givi Cases with back rests? Seems like a lot of leverage back there with a loaded box PLUS someone leaning back on it. Doug Wilkerson ..................................................................................................... IBM I/T Specialist, Digital Manufacturing Solutions Office: 205-972-7522 Mobile: 205-242-9076 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 01:29:06 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: "Steven R. Zweigart" CC: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: Re: PC800: Attn Mr Fenwick Hi Steve, Steven R. Zweigart wrote: > Wasn't there at least one year when the PC wasn't produced? Did they just > keep lettering like the production year wasn't skipped? Sounds like that letter is assigned by the government, independent of what Honda does. The PC was not produced in 1991, 1992 and 1993. The relative year of manufacture is included in the VIN as well and 1989 = 0, 1990 = 1 and 1994 = 2, etc. (sixth digit from the right end of the VIN). FWIW... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 135,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 01:33:18 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Betty Lise Anderson CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: LCD clock Hi Betty Lise, Betty Lise Anderson wrote: > The one thing that's a pain in the neck is that the buttons to reset the > clock are right on the front, and when I hit one accidently (like every > time I put it in the trunk, but I'm not bitter...), it goes from displaying > the time to alternating the time and date. I have to push it three more > times to get it back to the mode I want. So next time I would choose a > slightly different clock. But it does have a big display. Sounds like the clock I got. I put mine on the dashboard centered in front of the tach. Used velcro tape on the bottom of the clock and on the dashboard. I have to keep it out of the sun and rain and it has no lights at night but other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play... Oh well, at least it works... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 135,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 01:36:08 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Pamela J Stomberg CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Helmet Pegs Hi Pamela, Pamela J Stomberg wrote: > FWIW, I never know what to do with my helmet when I just want to get into > my trunk or I just want a to set it down for a minute. Last night, my > husband installed a helmet peg for a GL1500. All you have to do is > remove the screw/bolt that attaches the clutch level and replace it with > the peg. I think it's very handy. If you are to put one on the right > side, you would have to remove a small bit of plastic. It works great, > unfortunately, 1500 owners need everything chromed and I would just as > soon have it black. Oh well. That's a great idea. Thanks for the thought! -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 135,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 01:41:32 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Ralph Couey CC: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: Fuel guage/operating temps Hi Ralph, Ralph Couey wrote: > I was complaining to > SWMBO about the mileage and she patted my belly and said, "It's the load > on the bike, dear." > > You think she was trying to tell me something? Same thing my wife has been trying to tell me... (grin) -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 135,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 01:37:50 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Emile Nossin CC: PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: Helmet Pegs Hi Emile, Emile Nossin wrote: > Arvid showed me the PC's helmet peg on the ACPC99 tour. > You put your PC on the sidestand, hang the helmet on the right hand > footpeg and voila.... > It is a great bike, isn't it...built in helmet pegs, wow.... : ) What's even more amazing is that if you put it on the center stand, you have a helmet peg on each side... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 135,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 02:07:58 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: DaleDoty@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: PC800 Electrical Problems FINAL UPDATE Hi Dale, DaleDoty@aol.com wrote: > Charging the battery did not work: battery was DEAD, wouldn't hold a charge. > Once the battery was replaced: NO MORE PROBLEMS. Glad it was such a simple and relatively inexpensive problem to solve and that you got it solved! -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 135,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 02:02:14 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Peter Noeth CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Service Wait Question Hi Peter, Peter Noeth wrote: > The waiting time is usually spent talking to the sales guys, or sometimes > getting a demo ride. Since moving here to Rocklin and previously having service > done at Milpitas Honda (I am now about 2.5 hours ride one way) I guess I will > have to get up extra early on service days. I have always bought and serviced my > bikes there, and I trust the techs to be able to undress and redress the bike > correctly. The nearest dealer to me now is in Roseville (about 10 minuites > away), but I will not have the bike serviced there untill I can some > recomendations and check with Milpitas Honda for their opinion. I get parts at Roseville but don't know about their service department. If you feel like an hour and a quarter ride, I can recommend a great mechanic: the one I use. Go up to Auburn from Rocklin, take CA49 to Placerville, turn west on US50, exit at Missouri Flat Road, take it south to the intersection with Enterprise Drive (2 miles), turn right on Enterprise and go down about half a mile. Performance Cycle is on the right. John Proto is the owner and mechanic. He does great work, is factory trained, is a nice guy, he's honest, charges reasonable rates, etc., etc. I can't say enough good things about him. He's busy so I schedule about a week in advance for first thing in the AM (8:30 or so - it takes him 30 minutes to get all the bikes out of the shop area so he can start to work) and then I wait. (530) 621-3115. You won't regret it. Oh, and I stand around near him in the shop and shoot the breeze about motorcycles. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 135,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 01:50:19 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: PC800 Rider CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Service Wait Question Hi Tim, PC800 Rider wrote: > This question is for those of you who take your Pacific Coast to a > Honda dealer at your scheduled service times ( 8K, 12K, 16K etc.). > Do you have to leave your bike and come back in one or two days to > pick it up, or will they do it while you wait? My dealer (under new > ownership since I bought my PC800 there last year) wants to give me > the run around about service while I wait (I don't care how long I > have to wait) and I'm just wondering if I am really asking for > something that is unusual. The Honda dealer I bought the bike from charged me an extra $8.00 per hour to wait for the bike; "priority service" was what I was asking for, he said. That, plus the fact that his work wasn't that good (couldn't get the plastic back on right), made me go to an independent. The independent used to work for that dealer, is factory trained, and charges me less than the dealer did and, I wait for the bike. He didn't like that at first but I assured him that I was patient and I had no choice - no one was going to come and pick me up and bring me back. He's gotten used to it over the past 6 years. If he moves, I move. I've already warned the wife. He's that good. You might look around for an independent... My two cents... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 135,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 08:22:38 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: Adrian Zai CC: Desmond Cockburn , PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: Website Adrian Zai wrote: > > Thanks everyone for all the good words on the website. If any of you can > think of anything I can add to improve it, please let me know. > http://www.gendiat.com/pc800 > Just want to add that I think it looks really nice too. Excellent job with all that hard work. TommyTeal -- 93 SE 95 Hannigan 95 ACE 97 Pacific Coast 98 V-Star Classic (Black Cherry over Crimson) GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by land.willinet.net with SMTP; 9 Jul 1999 07:59:03 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 08:05:47 -0500 From: Ryan To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: LCD clock I got a really good clock at Kmart for about $7. Its got a large LCD screen, and a big button on the right that when you push it the whole screen lights up a bright indiglow-style blue. You mount a little bracket, and then slide the clock in to the bracket. So I can take it off easily to keep it out of the rain and sun. The bracket comes with double stick tape and screws to mount it. Ryan -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 09:22:06 -0400 Subject: PC800: Hanging your Nolan N-100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) With all the recent talk of hanging your helmet from pegs I thought I'd better caution you Nolan N-100 users to not hang your helmet from the chin guard side of the helmet. I usually hang my helmet on one of my handlebars. When I first got my Nolan I closed the chin guard, opened the visor and hung the helmet on the handlebar. After a short time (about 60 days) the black plastic strip with the vent holes on top of the chin guard came loose. My hanging the helmet on the chin guard put pressure on two small plastic pin that are the only thing holding this vent strip to the helmet. One broke and there was no way to repair it. Fortunately I ordered the helmet from Dennis Kirk and they got me a replacement part for no cost at all in just a week or so. I still hang my helmet from the handlebar, but on the back side of the helmet not the chin guard. Tim Davies- '98 Pacific Coast,"Yankee Smuggler" Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 09:18:01 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: PC800 Rider CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Service Wait Question PC800 Rider wrote: > > This question is for those of you who take your Pacific Coast to a > Honda dealer at your scheduled service times ( 8K, 12K, 16K etc.). > Do you have to leave your bike and come back in one or two days to > pick it up, or will they do it while you wait? My dealer (under new > ownership since I bought my PC800 there last year) wants to give me > the run around about service while I wait (I don't care how long I > have to wait) and I'm just wondering if I am really asking for > something that is unusual. I'm up for my 16K service (I'll have to > combine my 12K with it) when I get back from the Honda Homecoming > and it is mostly inspections that need to be done, so it's a no big > deal job as far as I can see. > > All comments will be appreciated:-) Hi Tim, I usually make an appointment, drop it off in the morning and pick it up on the way home from work (meet there with the wife). They usually don't like people hanging around. If you feel you can't trust them to leave it with them and they will do right, then I question you going there in the first place. Hope this helps. TommyTeal -- 93 SE 95 Hannigan 95 ACE 97 Pacific Coast 98 V-Star Classic (Black Cherry over Crimson) GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 09:33:17 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: [Fwd: [Fwd: ]] --------------78E970CC7C2B Thanks TommyTeal -- 93 SE 95 Hannigan 95 ACE 97 Pacific Coast 98 V-Star Classic (Black Cherry over Crimson) GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta --------------78E970CC7C2B (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Fri Jul 9 07:47:38 1999) X-From_: dennwaf@earthlink.net Fri Jul 9 00:15:11 1999 for gwta@voyager.net; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 22:20:14 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 21:08:37 -0700 From: Denny Wright and Yvonne Rux-Wright To: "gwtalist@www.gwta.org" X-Loop: one Subject: [Fwd: ] --------------A1337D5DFDDA34794632EA01 Could someone please translate this for us? Thank you! --------------A1337D5DFDDA34794632EA01 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "alain decamps" To: Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 22:33:03 +0200 un bonjour de la belgique alain --------------A1337D5DFDDA34794632EA01-- --------------78E970CC7C2B-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 06:46:22 -0700 Subject: PC800: CB Radio From: "Chuck Wildman" To: pc800 Mailing list I bought the following CB Setup about 3 months ago: (1) MM-2000 $192.95, (1) HH 45 WX ST $98.75, (1) 4' CB antenna $27.xx for a total of $334.85 with shipping (from Washington State). MM-2000 is a portable intercom with radio interface. Has a push to talk switch mounted on handgrip, and includes two headsets which clip onto a full face helmet. The intercomm unit runs on watch type batteries like the Chatterbox (which I already own and dislike). All cabling to the CB unit is included. The intercomm clips to your belt, and has on/off switch, battery test light, and three position volume control to increase microphone gain. The CB has scan, Sound Tracker/Noise Reduction circuitry, power adapter for cig.lighter, dual channel watch choice, battery saver circuitry, and fits in your shirt pocket (if you have a big shirt pocket). http://www.eskimo.com/~antenna/mm-2000.html (for MM-2000 info). http://www.clearlight.com/jcre/bike.html (for Cobra HH 45 WX ST radio) HOW DO I LIKE IT ? 1. The headseat is a single ear bud (which bothers my ear after about 2 hours). Would prefer seperate speakers in the helmet. Tried mods to the chatterbox helmet speakers, but won't work. 2. At 60+, the wind noise can cause some disturbance in the sound quality under two rider situation. 3. Really like the light weight and ease of use. It uses two small watch batteries, good for about 20 hours (@$ 3.50 each). It takes a very small screwdriver to remove the cover for battery replacement (this is a real negative) which is not the kind you find in your tool kit. 4. The antenna is a marine type (no ground required) and works very well. I drilled a hole and mounted it on top/side of trunk. It about 4 feet tall and white, which usually gets cars in front of me pulling out of the way cause they think I'm some kind of police vehicle 8-) Chuck 96 PC800, "Wild Wing" PS. I prefer CB radios vs. FRS since I can talk to local people and get local information when traveling. I also list to trucking channels about road conditions and situations. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 09:20:55 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: PC800 Rider CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Hanging your Nolan N-100 PC800 Rider wrote: > With all the recent talk of hanging your helmet from pegs I thought > I'd better caution you Nolan N-100 users to not hang your helmet > from the chin guard side of the helmet. I usually hang my helmet on > one of my handlebars. When I first got my Nolan I closed the chin > guard, opened the visor and hung the helmet on the handlebar. > > After a short time (about 60 days) the black plastic strip with the > vent holes on top of the chin guard came loose. My hanging the > helmet on the chin guard put pressure on two small plastic pin that > are the only thing holding this vent strip to the helmet. One broke > and there was no way to repair it. Next time, try Marine Goop. Clear adhesive that holds like crazy. I glued a 1" square clip to the top of my clutch reservoir for my bicycle computer and it is SOLID. It remains slightly flexible like silicone caulking but much stiffer. Good stuff. Also great for waterproofing wire splices after the fact. Make the splice and then coat with the Marine Goop and it is water tight. I also used it to fasten my wires to the side of my forks instead of wire ties. I just Gooped some on the fork, ( a glob about the size of a black eyed pea ) pushed the wire into the glob and used a toothpick to spread it around the wire a little and held the wire in place with electrical tape until the Goop set up. Removed the tape and the Goop is almost invisible. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 (Tar-Baby) 1974 Kawasaki Z1-A 900 (The Mistress) IronButt Association, 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:15:03 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: "Leland C. Sheppard" CC: Ralph Couey , "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: Fuel guage/operating temps Leland C. Sheppard wrote: Big Snip > > I've played this game approximately 624 times and have lost only 6 times. > (grin) On at least one of those occasions, I came coasting (dead stick > landing) up to the gas pump... The guy next to me said, "that's cutting it > a little close!" I responded with, "tell me about it..." Leland, Leland, Leland... Am I the only one that picked up on this..."approximately 624 times". Man-O-Man, you need a long rest. :-) How is "624" approximately? Have you really kept that tight a count, even saying over 600 times is way too much work. Whew. Time to take a pill and go on vacation my friend. :-) TommyTeal -- 93 SE 95 Hannigan 95 ACE 97 Pacific Coast 98 V-Star Classic (Black Cherry over Crimson) GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:05:26 EDT Subject: PC800: Re: No Subject To: dwilkers@us.ibm.com, giviusa@mindspring.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu >>In my case, I was lucky because I was not carrying a >>passenger at the time. If a passenger were leaning >>against the backrest, they would have likely fallen >>backwards into the street.<< >>Anyone had this problem with the Givi Cases with back rests? Seems like a lot of leverage back there with a loaded box PLUS someone leaning back on it.<< There is no problem with the GiVi Top Case as long as a passenger is being carried. There has been situtations where the older rack, the one with the straight arms, can have one arm break when being ridden single under extreme wind conditions. The amount of weight being carried in the case does not seem to affect the phenomena. This cannot happen when carrying a passenger. The passanger actually shelters the top case. The new rack has buttressed and slightly curved the arms to prevent wind caused damange. I suggest, if you have had a problem with GiVi Cases, contact Paul Collins at GiVi (704) 679-4123 Bernie Kohler 94PC 54K Overland Park, KS -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by smtp.uscom.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 1999 08:37:47 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Carl Luft" To: "pc800" Subject: Re: PC800: CB Radio Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:35:04 -0400 >4. The antenna is a marine type (no ground required) and works very well. >I drilled a hole and mounted it on top/side of trunk. It about 4 feet tall >and white, which usually gets cars in front of me pulling out of the way >cause they think I'm some kind of police vehicle 8-) > > Chuck 96 PC800, "Wild Wing" What brand of antenna is it? I have looked at the Firestk brand no-ground plane antennas but they use the cable as the ground plane. Carl Luft PC800 ,97 "PROTEUS" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:52:05 -0400 Subject: PC800: Honda HomeComing 12 Days Away To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) Only 12 more days to go and I've got a list of 28 possible Pacific Coasters attending the Honda HomeComing. It's not too late to send me your email address to be included in my emailing of times and places where we will be meeting each other. Some of these Coasters are "local" and are making day trips, you don't even have to register for anything at the HomeComing if you don't want to, we could be the event (radical idea here)! I also have 7 Coasters (OH, NY, VA, AL, TN, KS, MO) who are interested in meeting up with others along the way to Marysville. They have left me information about their location and are interested in having others contact them for a possible group ride to the event. Honda HomeComing 1999...... Information and registration forms for the 1999 Honda HomeComing in Marysville Ohio can be found on Honda's site at: http://www.ohio.honda.com/specialevents/homecoming/index.html I offered to keep track of the email addresses of anyone on the pc800 list who might be attending the event and be interested in knowing of Pacific Coast gatherings (informal) at the Honda HomeComing (July 22-24). Last year there was a last day, last hour gathering of Pacific Coasters that was great. Hopefully we can make it earlier this year so we can enjoy more quality Pacific Coast time together. Send me a message if you are interested in me keeping you posted. No obligation on your part of course and no money required. This is just a fun meeting of fellow enthusiasts during the time of the Honda HomeComing. I'll re-post this message from time to time in the coming weeks so those who subscribe and unsubscribe often will get a chance to see it. Tim Davies- '98 Pacific Coast,"Yankee Smuggler" Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" Tim Davies- '98 Pacific Coast,"Yankee Smuggler" Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 12:15:56 -0400 From: cen13504 To: pc list Subject: PC800: cruise lock I want a Vista cruise lock for my PC. Does anyone have one they want to sell? If not where can I order one for the least cost? Competition Acc. wants $35 for the unit. -- Kenneth Winter 1-800-264-6757 East TN Walters State Community College 423-626-5063 95 Isuzu Trooper 90 Honda PC "Second Chance" 87 Toyota Mini RV 84 SP 200 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Peter Noeth To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: LCD clock Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:52:40 -0700 I started out with the clock that Ryan mentions below. I even went the step to screw the little bracket to the top of the radiator coolant access cover on the dash. However I soon found that it didn't take very many rides for the bracket to loosen its grip on the clock, and I almost lost it going around a sharp corner once. The small amount of fairing vibration that exists on the PC was enough to cause the display to get flakey shortly there after. Otherwise it would have made a nice clock. I then decided that what is needed is a clock that is really made for an automotive or marine application. These cheap LCD clocks just can't take the vibration or the direct exposure to the sun on a hot day. I discovered a nice analog clock at the Brookstone store and also a matching thermometer. Went with that and after 2000 miles, have had no regrets. Harvey after seeing my picture of the clock, also got one and has a picture on Adrian's web site (that has been mentioned receintly). Regards, Peter Noeth || KE6ZJA || Rocklin, CA || Fireball, '96 w/ 10k > ---------- > From: Ryan > Reply To: ryan@e-etc.com > Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 6:05 AM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: PC800: LCD clock > > I got a really good clock at Kmart for about $7. Its got > a large LCD screen, and a big button on the right that > when you push it the whole screen lights up a bright > indiglow-style blue. > > You mount a little bracket, and then slide the clock in > to the bracket. So I can take it off easily to keep it > out of the rain and sun. The bracket comes with double > stick tape and screws to mount it. > > Ryan > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:58:57 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Alexander To: "'Carl Luft'" , pc800 Subject: RE: PC800: CB Radio Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:53:46 -0700 Any 'No Ground Plane' antenna has some kind of ground. It is necessary to have some kind of ground plane. There is what Wilson calls a 'Floating Ground', but again it does have a ground which is a wire running from the bottom of the antenna to somewhere in your vehicle or motorcycle that must not touch the vehicle ground. The Radio Shack 'No Ground Plane' antenna are the same as the Firestik in that they provide the Ground Plane in the cable. One thing this does mean is that you MUST use the proper cable and CANNOT modify it. You can tune the Firestik 'No Ground Plan' antennas, but you cannot alter the cable. Those knowledgable about tuning the SWR will remember that you can NORMALLY tune the SWR by altering cable length as well as the antenna, but with No Ground Plane the cable must stay the length it is because of the ground plane being imbedded in the cable. Wilson has release a No Ground Plane antenna which does allow for any length cable, but you have this goofy slider mechanisim on the ground plane bar which is attached to about 1/2 the length of the antenna. You can see it at their web site: http://www.wilsonantenna.com/ng.htm Jim Alexander Concord California '98 ST1100 STar Chaser HSTA 2307SU AMA 415932 STOC #009 On 7/9/99 8:35 AM, Carl Luft [SMTP:cluft@uscom.com] wrote: > > >4. The antenna is a marine type (no ground required) > and works very well. > >I drilled a hole and mounted it on top/side of trunk. > It about 4 feet tall > >and white, which usually gets cars in front of me > pulling out of the way > >cause they think I'm some kind of police vehicle 8-) > > > > Chuck 96 PC800, "Wild Wing" > > > What brand of antenna is it? > > I have looked at the Firestk brand no-ground plane > antennas but they use the cable as the ground plane. > > Carl Luft > PC800 ,97 "PROTEUS" > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MJKasof@webtv.net (Madeleine Kasof) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:10:08 -0700 (PDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: wid and turbulence thanks to everyone that responded to my query on above subject.' consensus is that that the saeng edging would help theproblem sincemost of my riding is betweeen 65 and 70 will also try it on helix to exted the quiet envelope best regards to all joel kasof cupertino calif 99 aspencade(blackbeauty) 98 p/c/(wong wing) reserved for brian millman 98 helix (dollar saver) 92 bmw K-1 (blue rocket for e. nossin gwrra 121491 hrca 611068 scoot-tours 99-12 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: annreid@juno.com by m4.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EE4VQZZG; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 14:32:21 EDT To: h.sattin@neccsd.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:35:46 -0700 Subject: PC800: COMPASS, BUY MIRROR.....No Smoke! Harve, 1) Here's the poop (low down dirty data) on the compass purchased at Pep Boys auto supply. Again, mine is NOT attached to the dash but atop the radiator fluid door. Drilled a hole and screwed it down. (*OOPS! Can I say THAT online?! *GRIN*) COBBS MFG. Des Moines, IA Tel. (515) 282-0267 Model #24000 - Called The Traveller Barcode 76027-24000 Price $10 Features: W/MVA = Magnetic vs. Geogrpahic Variation Adjustable 2) MIRROR: Neill Thompson (Guru of PC800 Website and PC Glovebox Genius) put a small 4" X 6" vanity mirror in the trunk in the indentation as you open the lid. It's just above the metal latch loop. Pep Boys sells these for $2. I glued velcro inside the indentation and one to the backside of the mirror. Works great. Now I see if I'm accidentally trolling. (i.e. If my zipper has lowered itself when I WASN'T looking. *UH, OH*) Ann '89 PC-AZ Ghost Reflections Fri. 7.9.99 11:25 MST -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. transient id 354; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 13:53:55 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:53:58 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Greg Torok Subject: Re: PC800: LCD clock At 8:05 AM -0500 7/9/99, ryan@e-etc.com wrote: >I got a really good clock at Kmart for about $7. Its got >a large LCD screen, and a big button on the right that >when you push it the whole screen lights up a bright >indiglow-style blue. > >You mount a little bracket, and then slide the clock in >to the bracket. So I can take it off easily to keep it >out of the rain and sun. The bracket comes with double >stick tape and screws to mount it. > >Ryan >-- I had one of these and it worked great. The sun seemed to do a number on the LCD though if I were riding in the sun. It cleared back up when it cooled off. The little "slide-on" bracket wasn't enough to hold it in place for me though so I opted for the velcro on the entire back of the unit. The big light button was great for seeing it at night and it even stays lit for a few seconds after you press it for easy push, glance operation. Greg Torok 97 PC800 Bellingham, WA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Peter Noeth To: pc800 Subject: RE: PC800: CB Radio Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:57:58 -0700 Well, actually as long as the antenna is an electrical 1/2 wave length long at the desired frequency, you do not need a dedicated ground plane. The coax cable will also have no effect with a 1/2 wave length antenna. This is the type of CB antennas that are mostly used in a marine environment, due to the fact that most boats have no metal mass. Signal improvements can be made by running a bare heavy gauge copper wire or 1/4" copper tubing from the coax shield at the antenna mount, down the side of the boat and along the bottom for a foot or so, such that it gets constant contact with the water. However most vehicle CB antennas are 1/4 wave length long and use the metal of the vehicle as a phantom ground to supply the other 1/4 wave length. In antenna systems not multiples of 1/2 wave length, the length and position of the coax can affect Standing Wave Ratio (SWR) and affect antenna efficiency. Sometimes a "match box" can be used to tune the antenna system such as it presents the correct load to the transmitter, but there will still be loss in the antenna system that the "match box" will absorb and release as waste heat. The Wilson antenna Jim refers to has a "match box" at its base, and uses a "sliding tuning stub" to match the antenna impedence to your CB so its transmitter does not fail due to excessive SWR (really transmit energy that cannot make it out of the antenna due to impedence mismatch). Regards, Peter Noeth || KE6ZJA || Rocklin, CA || Fireball, '96 w/ 10k > ---------- > From: Jim Alexander > Reply To: jamesalexander@csi.com > Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 9:53 AM > To: 'Carl Luft'; pc800 > Subject: RE: PC800: CB Radio > > Any 'No Ground Plane' antenna has some kind of ground. It is necessary to > have some kind of ground plane. There is what Wilson calls a 'Floating > Ground', but again it does have a ground which is a wire running from the > bottom of the antenna to somewhere in your vehicle or motorcycle that must not > > touch the vehicle ground. > > The Radio Shack 'No Ground Plane' antenna are the same as the Firestik in that > > they provide the Ground Plane in the cable. One thing this does mean is that > you MUST use the proper cable and CANNOT modify it. You can tune the Firestik > > 'No Ground Plan' antennas, but you cannot alter the cable. Those > knowledgable > about tuning the SWR will remember that you can NORMALLY tune the SWR by > altering cable length as well as the antenna, but with No Ground Plane the > cable must stay the length it is because of the ground plane being imbedded in > > the cable. > > Wilson has release a No Ground Plane antenna which does allow for any length > cable, but you have this goofy slider mechanisim on the ground plane bar which > > is attached to about 1/2 the length of the antenna. You can see it at their > web site: > http://www.wilsonantenna.com/ng.htm > > Jim Alexander Concord California > '98 ST1100 STar Chaser > HSTA 2307SU AMA 415932 STOC #009 > > On 7/9/99 8:35 AM, Carl Luft [SMTP:cluft@uscom.com] wrote: > > > > >4. The antenna is a marine type (no ground required) > > and works very well. > > >I drilled a hole and mounted it on top/side of trunk. > > It about 4 feet tall > > >and white, which usually gets cars in front of me > > pulling out of the way > > >cause they think I'm some kind of police vehicle 8-) > > > > > > Chuck 96 PC800, "Wild Wing" > > > > > > What brand of antenna is it? > > > > I have looked at the Firestk brand no-ground plane > > antennas but they use the cable as the ground plane. > > > > Carl Luft > > PC800 ,97 "PROTEUS" > > > > > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EE4XU2MU; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 15:09:30 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:00:33 -0400 Subject: PC800: LCD clock From: Harvey P Sattin I bought one of these three years ago and put it on a former motorcycle. It ran fine for a couple of years, even got it wet a few times. The weather, sun, heat, cold, and vibration never bothered it. When I bought my PC last fall, I looked at and even tried a few different LCD clocks but none were fit for the task. The round Brookstone analog clock worked so well for me in the past that I just went out and bought another for the PC. Doesn't match but: Works good, lasts a long time. ~Harvey Sattin, N1PHP Brookline, MA '98 PC800, 3K miles On Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:52:40 -0700 Peter Noeth writes: >I started out with the clock that Ryan mentions below. I even went the >step to >screw the little bracket to the top of the radiator coolant access >cover on the >dash. However I soon found that it didn't take very many rides for the >bracket >to loosen its grip on the clock, and I almost lost it going around a >sharp >corner once. The small amount of fairing vibration that exists on the >PC was >enough to cause the display to get flakey shortly there after. >Otherwise it >would have made a nice clock. > >I then decided that what is needed is a clock that is really made for >an >automotive or marine application. These cheap LCD clocks just can't >take the >vibration or the direct exposure to the sun on a hot day. I discovered >a nice >analog clock at the Brookstone store and also a matching thermometer. >Went with >that and after 2000 miles, have had no regrets. Harvey after seeing my >picture >of the clock, also got one and has a picture on Adrian's web site >(that has been >mentioned receintly). > >Regards, > >Peter Noeth || KE6ZJA || Rocklin, CA || Fireball, '96 w/ 10k > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:27:26 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Betty Lise Anderson Subject: PC800: LCD's turning black Hi, For you science and engineering buffs, I am going into Professorial mode to discuss why liquid crystals turn black in the dark If this bores you, read no further. Why Liquid Crystals Turn Black In the Sun. Liquid crystals are bizarre materials. The molecules are elongated, kinda cigar-shaped. Under normal conditions (i.e. a friendly temperature and no voltage applied) the molecules tend to align with each other. The material is still a liquid, but it has some regularity of sturcture, hence the term liquid crystal. In an LCD, you generally have two peices of glass with the LC material between them. Furthermore, the glass is treated to make the molecules next to the glass line up in some particular direction parallel to the glass. The molecules a little way from the glass align with the ones next to the glass, and so forth. Thus all the molecules are lined up, throughout the cell, parallel to the glass. (You can do neat things by treating the top and bottom glass differently, so the molecule point on direction on one glass and the perpeindicular direction on ht eother glass, so in between they gradually rotate, making a helix. But I digress.) But! The molecules are long and skinny. And when light comes in throug the glass, light that is polarized in the long direction of the molecules sees a different index of refraction than light polarized the other way. The two polarizations of light travel across the cell, bounce off the reflective junk on the back, and pass through the cell again. They are, however, travelling at different speeds because of the different refractive indices. If you plan it right, the delay between the two polarizations will change the overeall polarization state of the light. Now, the display has a polarizer on the front. Light goes into the cell, is polarized a particular way by that front polarizer, then passes throught the cell and comes back out. If no voltage is applied, the polarization gets turned one way on the way in and turned back to its original state on the way out. Thus the light passes back through the front polarizer and you can see through the display. What you see through there is the reflector on the back, which is sort of silvery. But! When you apply a voltage across the device (the electrodes are clear and shaped like the segments of the numerals), the voltage overcomes the intermolecular forces, and causes the molecules to tip away from the glass. They WERE in a plane parallel to the glass, and now they are perpendicular to it. Except the ones near the glass, becuase after all the glass has been treated to make them line up in the glass plane. Under this condition, the two polarizations still travel at different rates, but the difference in the rates isn't lucky any more. This means the polarization state of the light returning backthrough the cell is wrong, and the light can't go through the polarizer. Therefore, it looks black! But only where the voltage is applied. That's how they work when things are right. When things are wrong: When the temperature is too high, the energy of the molecules exceeds the force needed to align the molecules. When they aren't aligned, the polarization state is wrong, the light can't get back through the front polarizer, and the display looks black. If moisture or air gets into the display, the contanimant doesn't delay the light right, the polarization is wrong wherever the containmants are, and the display looks black. You see black blobs. You can move them around by squeezing the display. Then you throw the display away. There is no cure. When the temperature is too cold, the liquid freezes and then you can't turn the molecules and the display doesn't work. Isn't this cool? If you think so, you might consider getting a degree in electrical engineering at Ohio State! Give me a call. :-) Betty Lise Anderson Dept. Of Electrical Engineering The Ohio State University 205 Dreese Lab 2015 Neil Avenue Columbus OH check out the cool zip code 43210 http://eewww.eng.ohio-state.edu/~anderson/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:51:19 -0800 From: jgoula To: PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: LCD's turning black Betty Lise Anderson wrote: > For you science and engineering buffs, I am going into Professorial mode to > When the temperature is too cold, the liquid freezes and then you can't > turn the molecules and the display doesn't work. Hi Betty Lise. How cold does it have to be to freeze completely? The LCD on my dual range thermometer I have in the car keeps working even when the temperature (inside the car) reaches -40°F or so, albeit very, very slow. I'll take modern electronics over hand cranks and kick starts (most) anytime! :-) -- Juan Antonio Goula Fairbanks, Alaska Lat.: 64.85°N, Long.: 147.72°W "There is only one difference between a non-rider and me. I am not mad." (with apologies to Salvador Dalí) ------------------------------------------------- School of Fisheries and Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks (907)474-5520 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:43:31 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Alexander To: "'Betty Lise Anderson'" , "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: RE: PC800: LCD's turning black Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:38:06 -0700 I can definitely confirm that heat does the number on a LCD. While I was living in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia I bought a LCD indoor / Outdoor temperature gauge that was made for a car. It mentioned something about being good up to 150 degrees. I thought this should work here is it never that hot even here in Riyadh. Well, I must tell you ... that little device worked great up to about 155 or 156, but they the display went black. When our car was parked outside in the sun, even with the thermometer out of the direct sun, the gauge would go black. We would open the car and start the engine with the Air conditioning running to cool the car down while we went to stand in the shade. After about 5 minutes we could get in the car but the gauge was still black. It would cool down and start by showing about 157 degrees. Then it would drop quickly from that temperature to the much more normal temperature of about 115 inside the car. By the time we would get home about 20 minutes later, it had gotten down the very chilly tempurature of 85 to 90 degrees. Good thing we got home when we did, I don't think we could have stood the temperature drop in the car any further! ;-) Jim Alexander Concord California '98 ST1100 STar Chaser HSTA 2307SU AMA 415932 STOC #009 On 7/9/99 12:27 PM, Betty Lise Anderson [SMTP:anderson@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu] wrote: > > Hi, > > For you science and engineering buffs, I am going into Professorial mode to > discuss why liquid crystals turn black in the dark If this bores you, read > no further. > > Why Liquid Crystals Turn Black In the Sun. > > Liquid crystals are bizarre materials. The molecules are elongated, kinda > cigar-shaped. Under normal conditions (i.e. a friendly temperature and no > voltage applied) the molecules tend to align with each other. The material > is still a liquid, but it has some regularity of sturcture, hence the term > liquid crystal. > >[snip] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 17:02:06 -0400 From: "Christopher M. Klass" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: New PC's for sale? Does anyone know of a dealer in the Northeast that has any leftover new PCs? OR, anyone know of a MINT condition 1995 PC available? Chris 95 PC800 98 Duc M750 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ahall77379@aol.com Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:01:19 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: wind turbulence and noise To: MJKasof@webtv.net CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 7/7/99 5:43:50 PM Central Daylight Time, MJKasof@webtv.net writes: > has anyone every used the saeng stripping I installed it on my stock 89' windshield, it really was of little or no use. I now have a +2 Rifle and am glad to have it. IMHO , save the $ on the edging and put it into a new windshield. Alan in Houston 89' PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Doug" To: "Harvey P Sattin" Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: Compass Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:08:27 -0700 No, I put it on the rear edge of the dash top,,in the middle, above instruments..can see it easily, and not in the way of anything else Doug -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Harvey P Sattin To: di9731@vci.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 12:16 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Compass >Doug, > >Did you stick your compass *on* the windshield? > >If so, how far above the bottom? > >~Harvey Sattin >Brookline, MA > >On Wed, 7 Jul 1999 13:33:02 -0700 "Doug" writes: >>I have a cheapie one from Walmart, has hinge and bottom portion is >>stuck >>under windshield with the double sided tape. Works well,,and you can >>raise >>it out of the way,,(I put my helmet resting on handle bars) ,,,Have >>never >>had a problem with it and is accurate >>Good Luck.. >>Doug >>94 Knight Rider >> >___________________________________________________________________ >Get the Internet just the way you want it. >Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! >Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 16:39:13 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "R. Fenwick" Subject: Re: PC800: New PC's for sale? Chris: Ask your local Honda dealer to do a dealer search, if you haven't already done so. It's worth a shot, you may find a new one still around somewhere close. Use the Honda website to do a dealer search within a 100 (or ???) mile radius of your location, and call them up. I came up with a few leads doing this. Also, I'd frequently check: http://www.traderonline.com/cycle/index.shtml OR: http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/display.exe?partner=c2k&path=Auto~Mot orcycle~Search Good luck! Hope you're OK. Rich Fenwick 1990 PC800L, 18,700 miles ******************************** At 05:02 PM 7/9/99 -0400, Christopher M. Klass wrote: >Does anyone know of a dealer in the Northeast that has any leftover new >PCs? OR, anyone know of a MINT condition 1995 PC available? > >Chris >95 PC800 >98 Duc M750 >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 17:47:58 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: LCD's turning black To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) anderson@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu writes: > >Isn't this cool? If you think so, you might consider getting a >degree in >electrical engineering at Ohio State! Give me a call. :-) > >Betty Lise Anderson >Dept. Of Electrical Engineering >The Ohio State University >205 Dreese Lab 2015 Neil Avenue Columbus OH check out the cool zip >code 43210 Can we Coasters who are attending the Honda HomeComing the week after next pick one up from you while we are there? I never thought of having door prizes at our gathering, but a degree in electrical engineering would be a cool prize to win:-) Tim Davies- '98 Pacific Coast,"Yankee Smuggler" Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 HRCA #HM100878 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: SPREADTHEM@aol.com for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:29:59 EDT Subject: PC800: where can I purchase To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Anybody on the list tell me where I can purchase a clearview windshield and the saeng edging again I seem to have misplaced the number and name of the mail order company. Ward 1990 21K PC800 Glory Red -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: SPREADTHEM@aol.com for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:31:37 EDT Subject: PC800: Competition Accessories To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Who was the contact at Competition Accessories to by a GIVI case? Please send a name and number? Ward 1990 PC800 21K Glory Red Illinois -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: FW: PC800: LCD clock Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:01:10 -0400 I too had a little clock like that. It was sensitive to both moisture and sunlight. When it died, I replaced it with an inexpensive digital watch from WalMart. Cheap, waterproof, not affected by sunlight and totally expendable. I removed the band, cut off the plastic "legs" to which the band attached and used doubled-sided foam tape to stick it to the PC. Not particularly high tech but very effective. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Leland C. Sheppard [SMTP:lcshepp@directcon.net] Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 1:33 AM To: Betty Lise Anderson Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: LCD clock Hi Betty Lise, Betty Lise Anderson wrote: > The one thing that's a pain in the neck is that the buttons to reset the > clock are right on the front, and when I hit one accidently (like every > time I put it in the trunk, but I'm not bitter...), it goes from displaying > the time to alternating the time and date. I have to push it three more > times to get it back to the mode I want. So next time I would choose a > slightly different clock. But it does have a big display. Sounds like the clock I got. I put mine on the dashboard centered in front of the tach. Used velcro tape on the bottom of the clock and on the dashboard. I have to keep it out of the sun and rain and it has no lights at night but other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play... Oh well, at least it works... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 135,000 miles Mother of all tupperware parties: http://www.directcon.net/lcshepp/TGPCHPCMY2KMR.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EE5JKMZG; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 20:36:25 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: SPREADTHEM@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:29:17 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: where can I purchase From: Harvey P Sattin Ward, I'll have a Clearview +3" windshield available next week. I bought the +3 last week and it's just a little too tall for me. They wouldn't take mine back because I removed the plastic (Saran Wrap). I ordered a +1 to replace it. It'll be here in about a week. I also have the Saeng edging available, but only enough for the stock windshield. You can buy both items from Sport Touring Accessories: 1-800-889-5550 They have a website: www.sporttouringusa.com Good people. ~Harvey Sattin Brookline, MA '98 PC, 3K On Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:29:59 EDT SPREADTHEM@aol.com writes: >Anybody on the list tell me where I can purchase a clearview >windshield and >the saeng edging again I seem to have misplaced the number and name of >the >mail order company. > >Ward >1990 21K >PC800 Glory Red ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EE5JKMXK; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 20:36:25 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:22:40 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Compass From: Harvey P Sattin Doug, I have a compass built into my car. After having that I find that I want one on my PC. Often I ride on strange roads and I need to know what direction I'm heading, especially when it's time to head home. I don't want a GPS and I don't want something that says "Steal Me". I couldn't be hassled removing stuff every time I get off the PC. I bought what seemed to be a good compass at Brookstone. I mounted it exactly where you did. Worked fine until I started the PC, then the compass just spun around and around. Weird... They took it back, no questions asked. I think I'll try what Ann did, mounting it on the coolant cover. When I finally get something to work, I'll have pictures of that and some other PC stuff on Adran's website (if he'll have it). ~Harvey Sattin Brookline, MA '98 PC800 On Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:08:27 -0700 "Doug" writes: >No, I put it on the rear edge of the dash top,,in the middle, above >instruments..can see it easily, and not in the way of anything else >Doug ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EE5JR83K; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 20:40:02 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:33:06 -0400 Subject: PC800: Re: Honda HomeComing 12 Days Away From: Harvey P Sattin How far is Marysville Ohio from Boston? Harvey Sattin Brookline, MA '98 PC, 3K ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: Aux fuel tank Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 02:38:16 +0200 Total fuel capacity of 11 gallon on ST: http://www.3-cities.com/~warchild/moto/rm_tank.html Maybe nice idea for the PC ? Emile http://fly.to/emile -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 20:41:50 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Competition Accessories To: SPREADTHEM@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) SPREADTHE