********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:20:09 -0800 (PST) From: John La Subject: Re: PC800: Auto Lean & Clearview Windshield To: "J. Nyffeler" , PC800 Group FWIW- I got my +5" within 3 days of ordering... John --- "J. Nyffeler" wrote: > All: > > I think I'm sorry that I said anything about needing > an Auto Lean upgrade in > my posting of last Saturday. I never thought that > this thread would keep > going and going. Just like a certain bunny in a > battery commercial. > > I do want to find out from you'all (I been in Texas > too much lately) how > long you had to wait for delivery of your Clearview > windshields? It's been > two weeks and I can hardly stand it! > > Jim Nyffeler > nyfty@navix.net > 1989 PC800 > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe > pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to > pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael T. Buczkowski" To: "PC800 (E-mail)" , "ST1100 list (E-mail)" , "LDRiders (E-mail)" , "HSTA (E-mail)" Subject: PC800: The Hampster Dance Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 02:55:46 -0500 SICK, sick, sick, sick, ha, ha, ha, ha, he, he, he, ho, ho, do, do, da, de, da, do HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mike B. '94 ST1100 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael T. Buczkowski" To: "PC800 (E-mail)" , "ST1100 list (E-mail)" , "HSTA (E-mail)" , "LDRiders (E-mail)" Subject: PC800: The Hampster Dance Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 02:57:40 -0500 http://www.hamsterdance.com/ SICK, sick, sick, sick, ha, ha, ha, ha, he, he, he, ho, ho, do, do, da, de, da, do HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mike B. '94 ST1100 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ROBJHALL@aol.com for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 06:32:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 06:32:13 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: Clearview +2 ?'s I am getting a clearview Plus 2 for my 89 PC next week. Any thoughts on the comaprison between the +2 and the stock or tall shield. My 89 has the tall, my 96 has the stock with edging. What should I expect? I'm 6'3". Also is the installation and easy job (1-10) 1 being the easiest, 10 being the hardest. Personal Reference points: Changing oil is a 3 for me. Removing the rear tire is a 5 Removing the front tire is a 7. Thanks Rob Cary NC 89 PC w/ 43K 96 PC w/ 1.7 K -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:13:32 -0400 To: ROBJHALL@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Clearview +2 ?'s At 6:32 AM -0500 4/1/99, ROBJHALL@aol.com wrote: >I am getting a clearview Plus 2 for my 89 PC next week. Any thoughts on the >comaprison between the +2 and the stock or tall shield. My 89 has the tall, >my 96 has the stock with edging. What should I expect? I'm 6'3". > >Also is the installation and easy job (1-10) 1 being the easiest, 10 being the >hardest. Personal Reference points: Changing oil is a 3 for me. Removing >the rear tire is a 5 >Removing the front tire is a 7. > >Thanks > >Rob Hi Rob. I think the Clearview +2 might be shorter than the Hondaline Tall, and it will be wider around the lower part of the shield. As far as installation, if you are at home with all the right tools and a nice place to work on it, then I would rate the install a 3 or a 4. I installed my first Clearview at Americade last year, while parked on the grass at the side of the road, on the sidestand, using the stock tool kit. Under those circumstances I would rate it a 5. I have since installed a taller version, which I did at home in the garage. With the previous expererience, and better tools, the install was a 2 or a 3. Good luck.... fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 08:18:20 -0500 From: Thomas Ongstad To: ROBJHALL@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Clearview +2 ?'s ROBJHALL@aol.com wrote: > Also is the installation and easy job (1-10) 1 being the easiest, 10 being the > hardest. Personal Reference points: Changing oil is a 3 for me. Removing > the rear tire is a 5 > Removing the front tire is a 7. > > Thanks > > Rob Rob, I would give it a 3.5 Not real difficult but more time consuming (especially the first time) than changing the oil. Just watch those two spacers behind the windshield on the back two bolts. Don't drop 'em. TommyTeal -- 93SE (Teal, You Think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast 98V-Star Classic (Red, you bet) GWTA #6871 GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:15:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:15:04 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Replacing chrome muffler cover Aaron writes: << Can anyone advise me on how to replace the chrome muffler cover? >> It looks to me that you must remove the muffler to get at the upper bolts that hold the chrome cover in place. To do that, the service manual says that you must first remove the front exhaust pipe B (the section between the front header pipe and the muffler) by loosening the clamps at each end. Then remove the muffler mounting bolts, slide the muffler back, and release the rear exhaust pipe joint. Once the muffler is removed, you can get at the bolts that hold the chrome cover in place. To do all of this, it looks like the only plastic you should have to remove are the lower side covers (maybe only the right one). You should not have to remove any of the trunk components. Hope this helps. J. T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 09:15:38 -0500 Subject: Re(2): PC800: Re: Clearview +2 ?'s To: robjhall@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) fsl@borgconsulting.com writes: >At 6:32 AM -0500 4/1/99, ROBJHALL@aol.com wrote: >>I am getting a clearview Plus 2 for my 89 PC next week. Any >thoughts on the >>comaprison between the +2 and the stock or tall shield. My 89 >has the tall, >>my 96 has the stock with edging. What should I expect? I'm 6'3". >> >>Also is the installation and easy job (1-10) 1 being the easiest, >10 being the >>hardest. Personal Reference points: Changing oil is a 3 for me. > Removing >>the rear tire is a 5 >>Removing the front tire is a 7. >> >>Thanks >> >>Rob > >Hi Rob. > > I think the Clearview +2 might be shorter than the Hondaline >Tall, and it >will be wider around the lower part of the shield. > >As far as installation, if you are at home with all the right >tools and a >nice place to work on it, then I would rate the install a 3 or a >4. I >installed my first Clearview at Americade last year, while parked >on the >grass at the side of the road, on the sidestand, using the stock >tool kit. >Under those circumstances I would rate it a 5. I have since >installed a >taller version, which I did at home in the garage. With the >previous >expererience, and better tools, the install was a 2 or a 3. > >Good luck.... > >fsl > >(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) > >Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 >Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda > > HSTA Member Number 7470 > >(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Rob, Something else I didn't realize, until someone mentioned it on the list, is that the metal sleeves you will find around the screws when you remove them are different lengths. I need to remove mine and check them out and get them in the correct place. The last time I installed my windshield I had a devil of a time getting the front plastic trim back on over the top of the headlight (no it wasn't because of the plastic tabs on the back). The problem was that the sleeve I happend to use on the front screw was a long one meant for another location, but I didn't find this out until after I removed it and the trim fit. It was after this reinstallation that the multiple length message appeared on the list. Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: John Louk Cc: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: RE: Clearview Windshield Mounting Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:42:17 -0500 Re: Clearview mounting. Good point!! The metal sleeves on the windshield mounting screws come = in three sizes with the shortest sleeve going on the center mounting = screw. The two longer ones go further away from the center screw with = the longest sleeve on the screw which also passes through the neato = collar I dropped the first time "in" the windshield area. The fit is difficult if you mess up. (You'll need a bigger hammer. :-)) = And, it's easy to mess up since the screws themselves are all the same = length. Also making the Clearview installation interesting is the fact = the Clearview appears to be thicker than the Honda windshields. I'd = guess it's 3/16 inch thick. It's a 3.0 job on a scale of 10 the first time. The Clearview makes it = all worthwhile, however. John Louk '90 PC "Ruby" Carmel, IN -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Doylefish@aol.com for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:49:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:49:05 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: New Baby Hello fellow Coasters. I have had a 95 for a while now and I dedided to add to the family. I found a couple of 89's. One had the Kenwood radio but was not in visual appeal as it seemed to be nicked or scared in multiple places. The one I just bought is almost perfect. It had 7442 original miles, Upper and lower spoilers and the tall Hondaline windshield. It also has some quite nice pinstripping. It is yet unnamed. I had to announce my new baby. Doyle C. Frazier 95 PC - Dark Vadar 89 PC - (no name yet) Plus 13 other motorcycles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 14:14:04 -0500 Subject: Re: PC800: New Baby To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) Congratulations on your new arrival. I hope you have plenty of room in your nursery for all of them. Sounds like you are quite a collector. Are the 13 others in working order? Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" Doylefish@aol.com writes: >Hello fellow Coasters. > I have had a 95 for a while now and I dedided to add to the >family. I found a >couple > of 89's. One had the Kenwood radio but was not in visual appeal >as it seemed >to > be nicked or scared in multiple places. The one I just bought is >almost >perfect. It > had 7442 original miles, Upper and lower spoilers and the tall >Hondaline >windshield. > It also has some quite nice pinstripping. It is yet unnamed. I >had to >announce my > new baby. > Doyle C. Frazier > 95 PC - Dark Vadar > 89 PC - (no name yet) > Plus 13 other motorcycles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Spain, Harrison" To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: PC800: Wiring radios to a PC800 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:19:57 -0800 Just thought I would try to add some experience to the list :-). I've been fighting noise on my radio (Amateur) for quite some time. Unfortunately, I learned the following *after* the Death Valley ride :-). NOTE: If you are not having any noise problems, you can blissfully ignore this article ;-). Here is what I "think" I know... 1) If you are wiring a radio to a PC800, *don't* use the accessory connector (under the back seat). It is a very noisy connection even though it does give you the nice on/off capability when you turn on the motorcycle. 2) Wire radios *directly* to the battery. 3) Use a good noise filter. I bought a couple from Radio Shack (the $25 model as I recall). I ended up with one from Kenwood for $50 but I doubt you will have to go to that extreme. 4) If you want the nice on/off capability, just wire in a hefty 12V relay powered by the accessory power. When you turn the motorcycle on, the relay closes and your connection to the battery is all set. This relay will take some power (should be minimal) and only when the motorcycle is "on". Harrison Spain Unigraphics Solutions GTAC Systems Support Tel: 714.952.6114 Fax: 714.952.5371 E-mail: spain@ugsolutions.com UGAnswer: http://support.ugsolutions.com/html/uganswer.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Subject: PC800: BMW to abandon Motorcycle Division Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:27:30 +0100 I hope not too many listers will consider this as 'spam' Job Sussex Coast ---------- > From: Hugh Curran > To: RoSPA Sussex Group > Subject: BMW news > Date: Thursday, April 01, 1999 8:42 PM > > BMW to Abandon Motorcycle Division > When one motorcycle company designs a new, standard-setting motorcycle, > others quickly follow suit. Not so with BMW Motor Industries. In fact, the > venerable German industrial giant is leaving motorcycle production, selling > off its entire Touring, SportBike, and Cruiser line-up to former rival > Kawasaki. > "We just aren't going to do it anymore," said an exasperated Bernd Paatch, > BMW's USA Press Representative. "We're tired of keeping up with the new and > ever-maddening EPA and import standards. We feel our talents are best > directed elsewhere." > Like our car industry. Moore says that management looked long and hard and > concluded that manufacturing motorcycles isn't worth it. > "It's not that we can't compete," said Moore. "It's just that we don't feel > like it." > One of the benefits of leaving the motorcycle industry is not having to deal > with the greedy and stupid enthusiast press. "Every day it's 'I want this > bike, I want that, give me this, give me that.' Then they go out and crash > the things. We're sick of those idiots. Now we can tell that rag in Newport > Beach to 'Sit on this', literally," said Moore, referring to their proposed > line-up of aluminum, twin-spar perimeter frame sport cars and titanium and > chrome trucks. > But some things will not change. "When we made motorcycles, we always said > that stoplight-to-stoplight we intend to be the fastest," Moore said. "That > won't change at all. You know how at many people, in order to waste time and > piss off the cops, hold impromptu races down the street? Our cars will be > the fastest -- bar none." > Nor will BMW's corporate colors change. Emphasizing their belief that what > people really want are bold-new-graphics, all vehicles will be available in > assorted loud combinations of blue and white. > "That's something everyone here agrees on, from Nick Stuparich (Vice > President of the former motorcycle division) all the way down to the > zit-faced kid who fetches us doughnuts. All BMW employees bleed blue and > white." > ____________________________________________ > Best Regards > Hugh Curran > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > eGroups Spotlight: > "Kosovo-Reports" - Direct reports from Kosovo/Serbia/Yugoslavia. > http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/5 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 08:04:34 -0500 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: "J. Nyffeler" CC: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Auto Lean & Clearview Windshield Hi Jim, J. Nyffeler wrote: > I think I'm sorry that I said anything about needing an Auto Lean upgrade in > my posting of last Saturday. I never thought that this thread would keep > going and going. Just like a certain bunny in a battery commercial. I'm sorry you are sorry; it's been fun. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 128,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Subject: PC800: Auto Lean & Clearview Windshield Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:36:40 +0100 I am sorry too :-( Anyone else who is sorry? Job Sussex Coast ---------- > From: Leland C. Sheppard > To: J. Nyffeler > Cc: Pacific Coast Owners > Subject: Re: PC800: Auto Lean & Clearview Windshield > > Hi Jim, > > J. Nyffeler wrote: > > > I think I'm sorry that I said anything about needing an Auto Lean upgrade in > > my posting of last Saturday. I never thought that this thread would keep > > going and going. Just like a certain bunny in a battery commercial. > > I'm sorry you are sorry; it's been fun. > > -- > Leland > '94 Pacific Coast > "Black Beauty" > 128,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Rich Bumar" To: AaronJ007@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Replacing chrome muffler cover Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 12:43:33 PST Aaron, You can take the muffler cover OFF without removing the saddlebags. Putting one back on without removing the saddlebags is nearly impossible. I did that last fall and I cracked some of the plastic trim on the right side of the trunk while I pulled it out far enough to get the cover back on. I recommend removing the trunk first. (Unfortunately, since I didn't take the trunk off, I can't advise you as to how to remove the trunk.) Rich Bumar Orlando, FL 96 PC800T ----Original Message Follows---- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: AaronJ007@aol.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Replacing chrome muffler cover Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 00:32:55 EST Can anyone advise me on how to replace the chrome muffler cover? It appears that the "saddle bags" may have to be removed first. If this is so, how difficult is it to do this? Thanks! Aaron J. Neumeyer AaronJ007@aol.com '98 PC Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 15:39:53 -0500 From: Thomas Ongstad To: pcsg@mistral.co.uk CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: BMW to abandon Motorcycle Division PCSG Ltd. wrote: > > I hope not too many listers will consider this as 'spam' > > Job > Sussex Coast > ---------- > > From: Hugh Curran > > To: RoSPA Sussex Group > > Subject: BMW news > > Date: Thursday, April 01, 1999 8:42 PM > > > > BMW to Abandon Motorcycle Division Un hunh. Please note date at top. Good work though. So much typing, all for naught. TommyTeal -- 93SE (Teal, You Think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast 98V-Star Classic (Red, you bet) GWTA #6871 GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 15:46:30 -0500 Subject: PC800: Using a CB radio on a PC800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) Does anyone use, or know someone else who uses, the Chatterbox HJC-27A citizens band (CB) radio for motorcycles? I'm thinking about getting one and would like to hear about some "real world" motorcycling experiences with it. Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m3.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id D659QEWQ; Thu, 01 Apr 1999 16:15:25 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pcsg@mistral.co.uk Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:13:04 -0800 Subject: Re: PC800: Auto Lean & Clearview Windshield From: Joyce D Calvert On Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:36:40 +0100 "PCSG Ltd." writes: >I am sorry too :-( >Anyone else who is sorry? > >Job >Sussex Coast > Never been so sorry in my life. Sorry that Leland is sorry . . . and you too, Job. Joyce Sonoma County, Ca -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 16:17:51 -0500 From: Thomas Ongstad To: SRM@isd.net CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: Kisan Scot wrote: > > Thomas, > > I forgot to mention, you get a 10% discount because you are on the PC800 > list. Don't forget about that when you order. Go to the website > www.kisantech.com and get the phone number to call and place your > order. They will tell you which one you need for your PC800. Hi all and Scot I just wanted to mention that I made the order earlier today, forgetting that bit of news. I just got Scot's email and called Kisan again. Talked to Andy at Kisan (he who answered the phone) and after explaining, he immediately and without hesitation agreed to provide the 10% discount. What a great company. Just wanted to pass that along. Good guys should get noticed. TommyTeal -- 93SE (Teal, You Think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast 98V-Star Classic (Red, you bet) GWTA #6871 GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 16:20:24 -0500 From: Thomas Ongstad To: Joyce D Calvert CC: pcsg@mistral.co.uk, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Auto Lean & Clearview Windshield Joyce D Calvert wrote: > > On Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:36:40 +0100 "PCSG Ltd." > writes: > >I am sorry too :-( > >Anyone else who is sorry? > > > >Job > >Sussex Coast > > > Never been so sorry in my life. Sorry that Leland is sorry . . . and you > too, Job. > > Joyce > Sonoma County, Ca Jeez, what a sorry bunch. ;-) TommyTeal -- 93SE (Teal, You Think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast 98V-Star Classic (Red, you bet) GWTA #6871 GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MJKasof@webtv.net (Madeleine Kasof) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:15:45 -0800 (PST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: tomhumphries riding suit tom i had lunch with roy thmas today and he said you had a riding suit made in sacrqamento for about 350.00 can you give me details>?? joel cupertino calif -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Arvid_L=F8vik?=" To: "PC 800 Club" Subject: PC800: Anybody in group wants to reply to..... Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 01:10:34 +0200 This ?????=20 Taken from the newsgroup uk.rec.motorcycles. 0104 1999 18.34 Peter Hockham wrote: > Has anyone bought a "grey import" PC 800 as I have been offered one = but I > have heard nightmare stories about getting spares and servicing in the = UK. > I live near Epsom, Surrey and no dealer wants to know! > Do I go for it or steer clear? > Grateful for any advice...(impartial) Oh, fer Chrissakes...... You've answered your own question. Points in favour of a PC800: It's a Honda, it's reliable, and it's a doddle to keep clean. Points against a PC800: It's a Honda, it's not an official import, it was a short-lived model because even Honda realised they'd designed a lemon, the designer recently went on record saying it wasn't one of his best efforts, you can't get many parts in the UK, it's got a fuel range of 100 miles, and even the lowest speed drop will shatter all those acres of shiny plastic. Leave it. --=20 Neil Jawa Combo 750S=7FS GT750 CB400F CD175 The Older Gentleman BOF #30=7F=7F GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 http://www.btinternet.com/~Chateau.Murray/homepage2.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rodneycarey@juno.com by m15.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D66GFXAZ; Thu, 01 Apr 1999 18:13:07 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:53:42 -0600 Subject: Re: PC800: Auto Lean & Clearview Windshield I am more sorry than Job and my cat Buster is more sorry than Emile is sorry. Bon Ton Roulet! Rod Carey Mendota Hts, Minnesota 1994 PC800... Monica (because she goes down so often) On Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:36:40 +0100 "PCSG Ltd." writes: >I am sorry too :-( >Anyone else who is sorry? > >Job >Sussex Coast > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Auto Lean & Clearview Windshield Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 01:17:06 +0200 > >I am sorry too :-( > >Anyone else who is sorry? > > > Never been so sorry in my life. Sorry that Leland is sorry . . . and you > too, Job. > Jeez, what a sorry bunch. Nope, not feeling sorry at all. Sorry, Emile -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: SPREADTHEM@aol.com for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 18:18:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 18:18:39 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: PC800 for sale PC800 for sale on eBay an online auction could sell for less than wholesale. eBay online auction item number...84068240 Or try the attached link... eBay item 84068240 (Ends 04/04/99 16:31:21 PDT) - 1990 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: Anybody in group wants to reply to..... Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 01:33:47 +0200 >was a short-lived model because even Honda realised they'd designed a >lemon, the designer recently went on record saying it wasn't one of his '89 till '98 is short lifed ? Bikes who can easily run at least 200K US miles without overhaul are lemons ? >best efforts, you can't get many parts in the UK, it's got a fuel range >of 100 miles, Range is 150 to 200 miles (some people more, don't know how), but it's far enough for me. I can go from the Dutch west coast to the east coast and halfway back on that range, that's sufficient for me. >and even the lowest speed drop will shatter all those >acres of shiny plastic. The great thing about the PC is it's crash bars that prevent a lot of expensive damage. The only thing I had to replace after two drops (one low speed, one 30 US mph) were the plastic crashbar covers. They're not cheap, but it beats having to replace mirror + signal light + exhaust + engine case + steering bar + clutch / brake lever + leg (now they're expensive). Believe me, if you want to slide a bike, the PC is designed to do it in the safest and cheapest way (including "break away mirrors" which hang on to a steel wire and reattach within a minute). The parts are hard to get in the UK, but not in Holland (very popular). Good thing is you hardly need any because it's so darn reliable. Don't know the sender of these strange critics, since it's forwarded to the PC list, but I'll leave forwarding to you. Greetings and happy eastern, ___ |_ mile |\ |ossin |__urope | \|etherlands --------------------------------------------------- *Site: http://fly.to/emile *Bike: '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" *Webphone: +31 (023) 5392323 ( http://www.mediaring.com ) *ICQ: 17992318 ( http://www.icq.com ) *Email: Emile@Cybercomm.nl -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Arvid Løvik Aan: PC 800 Club Datum: vrijdag 2 april 1999 1:14 Onderwerp: PC800: Anybody in group wants to reply to..... This ????? Taken from the newsgroup uk.rec.motorcycles. 0104 1999 18.34 Peter Hockham wrote: > Has anyone bought a "grey import" PC 800 as I have been offered one but I > have heard nightmare stories about getting spares and servicing in the UK. > I live near Epsom, Surrey and no dealer wants to know! > Do I go for it or steer clear? > Grateful for any advice...(impartial) Oh, fer Chrissakes...... You've answered your own question. Points in favour of a PC800: It's a Honda, it's reliable, and it's a doddle to keep clean. Points against a PC800: It's a Honda, it's not an official import, it was a short-lived model because even Honda realised they'd designed a lemon, the designer recently went on record saying it wasn't one of his best efforts, you can't get many parts in the UK, it's got a fuel range of 100 miles, and even the lowest speed drop will shatter all those acres of shiny plastic. Leave it. -- Neil Jawa Combo 750SS GT750 CB400F CD175 The Older Gentleman BOF #30 GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 http://www.btinternet.com/~Chateau.Murray/homepage2.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: Anybody in group wants to reply to..... Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 01:40:30 +0200 >I can go from the Dutch west coast to the east coast April fools joke offcourse...ahum.... just testing.... : ) That should be east border.... Emile -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 23:39:59 +1200 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Richard Proctor Subject: Re: PC800: BMW to abandon Motorcycle Division April 1 is it?? >I hope not too many listers will consider this as 'spam' > >Job >Sussex Coast >---------- >> From: Hugh Curran >> To: RoSPA Sussex Group >> Subject: BMW news >> Date: Thursday, April 01, 1999 8:42 PM >> >> BMW to Abandon Motorcycle Division >> When one motorcycle company designs a new, standard-setting motorcycle, >> others quickly follow suit. Not so with BMW Motor Industries. In fact, >the >> venerable German industrial giant is leaving motorcycle production, >selling >> off its entire Touring, SportBike, and Cruiser line-up to former rival >> Kawasaki. >> "We just aren't going to do it anymore," said an exasperated Bernd >Paatch, >> BMW's USA Press Representative. "We're tired of keeping up with the new >and >> ever-maddening EPA and import standards. We feel our talents are best >> directed elsewhere." >> Like our car industry. Moore says that management looked long and hard >and >> concluded that manufacturing motorcycles isn't worth it. >> "It's not that we can't compete," said Moore. "It's just that we don't >feel >> like it." >> One of the benefits of leaving the motorcycle industry is not having to >deal >> with the greedy and stupid enthusiast press. "Every day it's 'I want this >> bike, I want that, give me this, give me that.' Then they go out and >crash >> the things. We're sick of those idiots. Now we can tell that rag in >Newport >> Beach to 'Sit on this', literally," said Moore, referring to their >proposed >> line-up of aluminum, twin-spar perimeter frame sport cars and titanium >and >> chrome trucks. >> But some things will not change. "When we made motorcycles, we always >said >> that stoplight-to-stoplight we intend to be the fastest," Moore said. >"That >> won't change at all. You know how at many people, in order to waste time >and >> piss off the cops, hold impromptu races down the street? Our cars will be >> the fastest -- bar none." >> Nor will BMW's corporate colors change. Emphasizing their belief that >what >> people really want are bold-new-graphics, all vehicles will be available >in >> assorted loud combinations of blue and white. >> "That's something everyone here agrees on, from Nick Stuparich (Vice >> President of the former motorcycle division) all the way down to the >> zit-faced kid who fetches us doughnuts. All BMW employees bleed blue and >> white." >> ____________________________________________ >> Best Regards >> Hugh Curran >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> eGroups Spotlight: >> "Kosovo-Reports" - Direct reports from Kosovo/Serbia/Yugoslavia. >> http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/5 > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 19:18:28 -0600 From: Steve Wilson CC: PC800 Subject: PC800: Who is sorry > > >I am sorry too :-( > > >Anyone else who is sorry? My wife says I'm sorry. Does that count? -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 IBA, 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:14:08 -0800 (PST) From: John Scalisi Subject: Re: PC800: BMW to abandon Motorcycle Division To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Nice April Fools Joke. --- "PCSG Ltd." wrote: > I hope not too many listers will consider this as 'spam' > > Job > Sussex Coast > ---------- > > From: Hugh Curran > > To: RoSPA Sussex Group > > Subject: BMW news > > Date: Thursday, April 01, 1999 8:42 PM > > > > BMW to Abandon Motorcycle Division > > When one motorcycle company designs a new, standard-setting > motorcycle, > > others quickly follow suit. Not so with BMW Motor Industries. In > fact, > the > > venerable German industrial giant is leaving motorcycle production, > selling > > off its entire Touring, SportBike, and Cruiser line-up to former > rival > > Kawasaki. > > "We just aren't going to do it anymore," said an exasperated Bernd > Paatch, > > BMW's USA Press Representative. "We're tired of keeping up with the > new > and > > ever-maddening EPA and import standards. We feel our talents are > best > > directed elsewhere." > > Like our car industry. Moore says that management looked long and > hard > and > > concluded that manufacturing motorcycles isn't worth it. > > "It's not that we can't compete," said Moore. "It's just that we > don't > feel > > like it." > > One of the benefits of leaving the motorcycle industry is not having > to > deal > > with the greedy and stupid enthusiast press. "Every day it's 'I want > this > > bike, I want that, give me this, give me that.' Then they go out and > crash > > the things. We're sick of those idiots. Now we can tell that rag in > Newport > > Beach to 'Sit on this', literally," said Moore, referring to their > proposed > > line-up of aluminum, twin-spar perimeter frame sport cars and > titanium > and > > chrome trucks. > > But some things will not change. "When we made motorcycles, we > always > said > > that stoplight-to-stoplight we intend to be the fastest," Moore > said. > "That > > won't change at all. You know how at many people, in order to waste > time > and > > piss off the cops, hold impromptu races down the street? Our cars > will be > > the fastest -- bar none." > > Nor will BMW's corporate colors change. Emphasizing their belief > that > what > > people really want are bold-new-graphics, all vehicles will be > available > in > > assorted loud combinations of blue and white. > > "That's something everyone here agrees on, from Nick Stuparich (Vice > > President of the former motorcycle division) all the way down to the > > zit-faced kid who fetches us doughnuts. All BMW employees bleed blue > and > > white." > > ____________________________________________ > > Best Regards > > Hugh Curran > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > eGroups Spotlight: > > "Kosovo-Reports" - Direct reports from Kosovo/Serbia/Yugoslavia. > > http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/5 > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 22:31:57 -0500 From: Pat McNew To: Honda Pacific Coast Group Subject: PC800: No PC800 Anymore Fellow Coasters: I hate to see her go, but this is probably the last Email I'll send with this signature file. I agreed to let Rose be adopted by a nice gentleman here is Atlanta. He will pick her up tomorrow. As stated in my Email to the list, I really would have liked to keep her and the Goldwing both, but..... Speaking of the Wing, the wife and I took her out this afternoon and evening. Some observations for those who wrote and asked: 1. It is very easy to ride. Slow speed manuevers can be a little bit tricky, though. 2. It is easy to balance it, but a little harder to put on the center stand. 3. The heaters are great! 4. I really enjoy the sound system. Plus you can really hear it well with speed sensitive volume. 5. The wife really likes to back seat. 6. It is slower to react than the PC. You don't make any sudden maneuvers. No anxious moments in the turns, though. 7. I like the way the brakes feel. 8. The electrically adjustable suspension is very handy. So is the headlight aiming knob on the dash. 9. The engine has a little note to it. I sounds good to blip the throttle. 10. Lots of storage and each compartment comes with fitted luggage bags. 11. The reverse comes in handy. No worrying about parking downhill. 12. The buffeting I get behind and mini-van or sport ute is not nearly as bad on the wing. For one thing the windshield is much wider. 13. Last but not least, for your $16000 you get a free Goldwing ball cap for your helmet hair! -- Pat McNew Snellville, GA 1996 PC800 - Ramblin' Rose 6800 (S)miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: AaronJ007@aol.com for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 22:32:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 22:32:14 EST Subject: PC800: How do I remove trunk? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I don't have a service manual and the consensus here on the list is that I need to remove the trunk to replace the chrome muffler cover. Is that difficult? Can any of you walk me through it? Thanks! Aaron J. Neumeyer AaronJ007@aol.com '98 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: SPREADTHEM@aol.com for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 23:40:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 23:40:38 EST Subject: PC800: Fwd: PC800 for sale To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Listers check this out! Return-path: SPREADTHEM@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: SPREADTHEM@aol.com Full-name: SPREADTHEM Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 18:18:39 EST Subject: PC800 for sale To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu PC800 for sale on eBay an online auction could sell for less than wholesale. eBay online auction item number...84068240 Or try the attached link... eBay item 84068240 (Ends 04/04/99 16:31:21 PDT) - 1990 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Ignition Lock Replacement Ending Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 20:59:17 -0800 From: "A.T. Green" HI all... Skippy is back in the garage to the tune of $183,70 for the ignition lock replacement. Yes, they did install a new lock on the tank flap so I have two new keys now. $108 for the locks and the rest labor and tax...oh well...at least they washed it as well :) BTW, I too am dropping off the list because of the constant posting by = what is probably less than 5% of the list. I'm really very tired of the waste of bandwidth I find in my inbox every day and since eveyone seems to enjoy it..then I'm the one with the problem so I'll leave. Shame really...I had hoped to get more information than I have. And really folks...IRC is really a better place to have fun and post yer yuks....just a thought... Drew __________________________________ A. T. Green '94 PC800 - "Skippy The Evil Twin" Black/Silver __________________________________ atg@technologist.com / `-' ) ,,, | IU U||||||||[:::] \_.-.( ''' -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 23:47:50 -0600 From: Ralph Couey To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: A Likely Story I read the April Fool's BMW posting with delight, then began thinking about news stories I'd LIKE to see.... New York (AP)--Honda America announced today that the Pacific Coast motorcycle would be re-introduced in 2001 after a series of sweeping upgrades. The bike, known as the PC800, was first offered in 1989 and was the first motorcycle fully covered in plastic. The design proved less than successful with buyers for a number of reasons, although current owners remain fiercely loyal. According to Honda's American Sales Director, the bike was pulled from the market after the 1998 model year, citing disappointing sales figures. "We then sat down and completely re-thought what we were trying to accomplish with a sport-touring motorcycle design. We looked at BMW's enormous success with their R1100RT and our own successful ST1100 and decided there was a market here if we could re-design the bike to fit rider expectations." The re-design specifically addresses major complaints, such as power, range, and options. The heart of the new PC is a beefier 900cc V-twin fed by a 6.6 gallon internal fuel tank. The trademark plastic skin with it's massive trunk, will look a little more integrated and less bulbous appearing, a la BMW's K1200LT and may include a top box as an option. Plans are also in the works to tweak the suspension into a more sporting attitude. Honda's sources say designers are even testing out an adjustable windshield. Other options include a sound system, heated grips, adjustable seat height, and auxiliary plug-ins. "We didn't want to create a "baby Gold Wing" or chip into the ST1100 market too much. Our goal is to put into the hands of our customers a reliable long-distance bike that is fun to ride and great to look at. And provide it for less than $11,000, including the latest auto-lean upgrade." Industry analysts think the new PC will attract customers who like a swoopy sport-tourer, but were put off by the price of the BMW. Model intros to the press are scheduled for late summer of 2000. (sigh) A man can dream, can't he? Ralph Couey Columbia, MO 70 degrees and sailing -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by enterprise.powerup.com.au with SMTP; 2 Apr 1999 06:40:04 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "PC800" From: "Ronald Grant" Subject: PC800: Ozzie sign off...... Date: Fri, 02 Apr 99 16:37:40 PST Heading out in a couple of days....will check in from Soweto!! Ron Grant in Brisbane Australia!! www.powerup.com.au/~ultspnch Stories of M/C Travel! ultspnch@yahoo.com Travel email.....Africa April +May..... www.photoloft.com Search "motorcycles" for pics of trips. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'HSTA list'" , "'pc800 list'" Subject: PC800: FW: New clothes for the King Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:05:40 -0500 I guess Dana has his PC for sale. Roger -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: dana sawyer [SMTP:Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 1999 16:20 To: Prince, Roger Subject: RE: New clothes for the King Got a call today on my bike. I'd like to get $6,000 with everything on it...He offered $5,500. Me -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bill Jackman" To: "Ralph Couey" , Subject: Re: PC800: A Likely Story Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:47:39 -0800 I'm in line right behind you for production unit #00000002, & please make sure this one has a 6th gear. Bill Jackman 89~25k ----- Original Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ralph Couey To: Sent: Thursday, April 01, 1999 9:47 PM Subject: PC800: A Likely Story > upgrade." Industry analysts think the new PC will attract customers who > like a swoopy sport-tourer, but were put off by the price of the BMW. > Model intros to the press are scheduled for late summer of 2000. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Roger Bowen" To: "pc800" Subject: PC800: List 'Chatter' Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:38:20 -0800 It is a shame to see people dropping off the list due to the high traffic. I personally enjoy most all posts. I don't know the details involved, but might not one solution be to have two separate lists? One for questions/answers/comments on the PC itself and another to handle the 'banter'/trip reports/etc. Then we could choose whether to subscribe to one or both. Just a thought. Roger Bowen Grants Pass, Oregon -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 11:52:37 -0500 Subject: Re: PC800: List 'Chatter' To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) I think the "chatter" is just an evolutionary result of people, Pacific Coast lovers in this case, becoming friends with each other. This network of new friends, most of whom we will never meet in person, is a great resource to have available to us all. I can live with most of the "chatter" that comes into my mailbox, although I would agree there is some that has no place coming to me from this group. I do think the trip reports belong here for all to enjoy, plans for upcoming activities that you might be able to join in on, and of course the questions for help and advice. I will admit there have been a few message threads lately that seem like the horse has been beaten to death early on, but some listers insist on dragging it around the barn yard, driving over it with a PC800, then beating it to death all over again, and turning around to begin a new thread to analyze the carcass. Oh well, I guess that's what friends are for:-) My two cents of mindless chatter. Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" rbowen@budget.net writes: >It is a shame to see people dropping off the list due to the high >traffic. >I personally enjoy most all posts. > >I don't know the details involved, but might not one solution be >to have two >separate lists? >One for questions/answers/comments on the PC itself and another to >handle >the 'banter'/trip reports/etc. >Then we could choose whether to subscribe to one or both. Just a >thought. > >Roger Bowen >Grants Pass, Oregon -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 11:49:04 -0500 From: Thomas Ongstad To: Roger Bowen CC: pc800 Subject: Re: PC800: List 'Chatter' Roger Bowen wrote: > > It is a shame to see people dropping off the list due to the high traffic. > I personally enjoy most all posts. > > I don't know the details involved, but might not one solution be to have two > separate lists? > One for questions/answers/comments on the PC itself and another to handle > the 'banter'/trip reports/etc. > Then we could choose whether to subscribe to one or both. Just a thought. > > Roger Bowen > Grants Pass, Oregon There has been much more chatter than normal lately. Usually this list is pretty much just about the PC and what people are doing with it or putting on it. I like your idea. Put me down as a ME TOO (and I will sign up for both). TommyTeal -- 93SE (Teal, You Think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast 98V-Star Classic (Red, you bet) GWTA #6871 GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: Ignition Lock Replacement Ending Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:53:22 +0200 >I'm really very tired of the waste >of bandwidth I find in my inbox every day A decent mailprogram can sort your incoming messages to seperate folders automatically. You can then scroll thru the PC messages with your delete button without having to worry about missing personal messages and such. Just an idea, hate to see nice people leave.... : ) Greetings, ___ |_ mile |\ |ossin |__urope | \|etherlands --------------------------------------------------- *Site: http://fly.to/emile *Bike: '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" *Webphone: +31 (023) 5392323 ( http://www.mediaring.com ) *ICQ: 17992318 ( http://www.icq.com ) *Email: Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:27:20 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 07:56:18 -0500 Subject: PC800: PC800s at '99 Honda Homecoming To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: gwta@voyager.net, johnl@wvpa.com, fsl@borgconsulting.com, elton.hammond@ekho.com, joanspiaa@theriver.net, di9731@vci.net, luvadot@sprynet.com, anderson@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu, PRAYINGDS@aol.com From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) I'll repost this message from time to time in the coming weeks so those who subscribe and unsubscribe often will get a chance to see it. Michael Cantrell sent us this message on 3/24/99 (Francois Saint Laurent also sent the same information several weeks back): Information and registration forms for the 1999 Honda Homecoming in Marysville Ohio can be found on Honda's site at: http://www.ohio.honda.com/specialevents/homecoming/index.html ----------------- ICQ# 28754325 Michael L. Cantrell Springfield, OH ----------------- I offered to keep track of the email addresses of anyone on the pc800 list who might be attending the event and be interested in knowing of a Pacific Coast gathering (informal) at the Honda Homecoming (July 22-24). Last year there was a last day, last hour gathering of Pacific Coasters there that was great. Hopefully we can make it earlier this year so we can enjoy more quality Pacific Coast time together. So far I have 8 people on the mailing list. Send me a message if you are interested in me keeping you posted. No obligation on your part of course. (10 -PC800 Listers are on the email list as of this posting) Francois Saint Laurent (fsl@borgconsulting.com) is keeping a similar list for Americade '99, June 8-12. Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 08:16:13 -0500 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: PC800: [Fwd: FS pc800 sighting] --------------8244AC9D7CEFC057FC6D6170 Hi Coasters, K.R. Evans who used to be on this list sent me the attached info on a PC for sale that he spotted. He asked me to pass it on to the group. I thanked him and am sending it on. The VIN number shown is missing a digit. There should be six digits after the "M" and the first one, for a '97, should be "5" so the end of the VIN should be "500444". -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 128,000 miles --------------8244AC9D7CEFC057FC6D6170 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "kr" To: "Leland C. Sheppard" Subject: FS pc800 sighting Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:22:59 -0500 Mr Sheppard - Please relay to the PC800 group (assuming you are still in contact?) For Sale at Link Cycle , Coopersburg, PA 610.282.4800 1997 PC800 JH2RC3401VM00444 build date 8/96. 4,146 miles. $5900. She looks in perfect shape, bone stock. thank you, kr --------------8244AC9D7CEFC057FC6D6170-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 08:25:07 -0500 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: pcsg@mistral.co.uk CC: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: BMW to abandon Motorcycle Division Hi Job, PCSG Ltd. wrote: > > BMW to Abandon Motorcycle Division > > When one motorcycle company designs a new, standard-setting motorcycle, > > others quickly follow suit. Not so with BMW Motor Industries. In fact, > the > > venerable German industrial giant is leaving motorcycle production, > selling > > off its entire Touring, SportBike, and Cruiser line-up to former rival > > Kawasaki. > > "We just aren't going to do it anymore," said an exasperated Bernd > Paatch, snip... I consider it an April Fool joke... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 128,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 09:15:30 -0500 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Ralph Couey CC: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: A Likely Story Hi Ralph, Ralph Couey wrote: > I read the April Fool's BMW posting with delight, then began thinking > about news stories I'd LIKE to see.... > > New York (AP)--Honda America announced today that the Pacific Coast > motorcycle would be re-introduced in 2001 after a series of sweeping > upgrades. The bike, known as the PC800, was first offered in 1989 and > was the first motorcycle fully covered in plastic. The design proved > less than successful with buyers for a number of reasons, although > current owners remain fiercely loyal. snip... That's so good I think you should send Honda a copy... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 128,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 08:35:28 -0500 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: "Arvid L vik" CC: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Anybody in group wants to reply to..... Hi Arvid, Arvid L vik wrote: > This ????? Taken from the newsgroup uk.rec.motorcycles. 0104 1999 > 18.34 Peter Hockham wrote: > > > Has anyone bought a "grey import" PC 800 as I have been offered one > but I > > have heard nightmare stories about getting spares and servicing in > the UK. > > I live near Epsom, Surrey and no dealer wants to know! > > Do I go for it or steer clear? > > Grateful for any advice...(impartial) > > Oh, fer Chrissakes...... snip... I do... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 128,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 08:26:20 -0500 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: pcsg@mistral.co.uk CC: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: PC800: Re: Auto Lean & Clearview Windshield Hi Job, PCSG Ltd. wrote: > I am sorry too :-( > Anyone else who is sorry? > > Job > Sussex Coast > > ---------- > > From: Leland C. Sheppard > > To: J. Nyffeler > > Cc: Pacific Coast Owners > > Subject: Re: PC800: Auto Lean & Clearview Windshield > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > J. Nyffeler wrote: > > > > > I think I'm sorry that I said anything about needing an Auto Lean > upgrade in > > > my posting of last Saturday. I never thought that this thread would > keep > > > going and going. Just like a certain bunny in a battery commercial. > > > > I'm sorry you are sorry; it's been fun. > > > > -- > > Leland > > '94 Pacific Coast > > "Black Beauty" > > 128,000 miles > > > > > > > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Oh, dear. Here we go... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 128,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 09:21:25 -0800 From: chris jones To: Bob Kathy Alicia Jeff , brad goldsberry , Doug Jarman , michell thompson , pclist , steve Habermehl Subject: PC800: [Fwd: Fwd: FW: [Fwd: Gasoline Boycott]] boundary="------------C2C562FFB62B2B0B9FF3939C" --------------C2C562FFB62B2B0B9FF3939C --------------C2C562FFB62B2B0B9FF3939C ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: WEEBADEEB@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 23:45:35 EST Subject: Fwd: FW: [Fwd: Gasoline Boycott] To: CFJ4FUN@directcon.net, QNCINDYTWN@aol.com, 4craig@home.com, GJBJFUN@aol.com, mascola@pacbell.net, jeffstud5@hotmail.com, Linda_F1@verifone.com, Rockclay@aol.com X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-path: LvBeingMom@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: LvBeingMom@aol.com Full-name: LvBeingMom Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:17:16 EST Subject: Fwd: FW: [Fwd: Gasoline Boycott] To: Eikonoclas@aol.com, Caliblusky@aol.com, WEEBADEEB@aol.com, Redale64@aol.com, Coopsam4@aol.com --part2_dab4e819.2433a48c_boundary --part2_dab4e819.2433a48c_boundary Return-path: Lynnmom@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Lynnmom@aol.com Full-name: Lynnmom Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:25:04 EST Subject: Fwd: FW: [Fwd: Gasoline Boycott] To: rbibik@ix.netcom.com, Acarrico@hoteldeanza.com, Karnthong@aol.com, LvBeingMom@aol.com, nwemichael@earthlink.net, Ashlyn@ix.netcom.com, Lranch72@aol.com, Teamarquis@aol.com, Starksix@home.com, maywrite@home.com, Slonergan@metlife.com, Wurkprisnr@aol.com, barbaradshields@yahoo.com, tans@jps.net, CoVictor@aol.com, tinafletcher@earthlink.net, Met3@cctrap.com, MTbasket4u@aol.com, CVmahoney5@aol.com --part3_dab4e819.24339850_boundary This will be the first time I have ever forwarded any email (in over 3 years) I've marked my calendar.... I think this makes sense! --part3_dab4e819.24339850_boundary air-zc02.mail.aol.com (v59.2) with SMTP; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 18:13:18 -0500 by rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id SAA15367; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 18:13:03 -0500 (EST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: DJ Kutsal To: "Julie Carrico (Home Fax)" , "Lynn Kutsal (E-mail)" , "Raja Kadiyala (E-mail)" , "Ray Lynn (E-mail)" , "Rex Hesner (E-mail)" , "Rick Junnier (E-mail)" , "Thomas Brightbill (E-mail)" , "Tina Steele (E-mail)" , "Wes Morris (E-mail)" Subject: FW: [Fwd: Gasoline Boycott] Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:13:04 -0800 Return-Receipt-To: DJ Kutsal -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Tom Bouffard Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 3:09 PM To: DJ Kutsal; John Clark; Mary Duggins; Ryan Weisser; Mike Parker Subject: FW: [Fwd: Gasoline Boycott] GAS OUT THE GREAT "GAS OUT" It's time we did something about the price of gasoline in America! We are all sick and tired of high prices when there are literally millions of gallons in storage. Know what I found out? If there was just ONE day when no one purchased any gasoline, prices would drop drastically. The so-called oil cartel has decided to slow production by some 2 million barrels per day to drive up the price. I have decided to see how many Americans we can get to NOT BUY ANY GASOLINE on one particular day! Let's have a GAS OUT! Do not buy any gasoline on APRIL 30, 1999!!!!! Buy on Thursday before, or Saturday after. Do not buy any gasoline on FRIDAY, APRIL 30, 1999. Wanna help? Send this message to everyone you know. Ask them to do the same. All we need is a few million to participate in order to make a difference. We CAN make a difference. Thanks. --part3_dab4e819.24339850_boundary-- --part2_dab4e819.2433a48c_boundary-- --------------C2C562FFB62B2B0B9FF3939C-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 08:54:17 -0900 From: jgoula To: "'pc800 list'" Subject: Re: PC800: FW: New clothes for the King "Prince, Roger" wrote: > > I guess Dana has his PC for sale. > > Roger Egads! E tu, Dana? -- Juan Antonio Goula Fairbanks, Alaska Lat.: 64.85°N, Long.: 147.72°W ------------------------------------------------- School of Fisheries and Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks (907)474-5520 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 13:09:08 -0500 From: Roger Prince To: PC800 Mail List Subject: Re: PC800: [Fwd: FS pc800 sighting] Wasn't krevans one of last year's deer slayers? "Leland C. Sheppard" wrote: > Hi Coasters, > > K.R. Evans who used to be on this list sent me the attached info on a PC > for sale that he spotted. He asked me to pass it on to the group. I > thanked him and am sending it on. > > The VIN number shown is missing a digit. There should be six digits > after the "M" and the first one, for a '97, should be "5" so the end of > the VIN should be "500444". > > -- > Leland > '94 Pacific Coast > "Black Beauty" > 128,000 miles > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: FS pc800 sighting > Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:22:59 -0500 > From: "kr" > To: "Leland C. Sheppard" > > Mr Sheppard - > Please relay to the PC800 group (assuming you are still in contact?) > > For Sale at Link Cycle , Coopersburg, PA 610.282.4800 > 1997 PC800 JH2RC3401VM00444 build date 8/96. 4,146 miles. $5900. > She looks in perfect shape, bone stock. > > thank you, > kr -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bill Jackman" To: Subject: PC800: Fw: [Fwd: Gasoline Boycott] Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:30:55 -0800 You have to open the attachment a few times to get this message out of the email sent. I am forwarding it again as I plan to participate. No gasoline purchases on April 30th. ----- Original Message ----- > Subject: FW: [Fwd: Gasoline Boycott] > > > GAS OUT > > THE GREAT "GAS OUT" > It's time we did something about the price > of gasoline in America! We are all sick and > tired of high prices when there are literally > millions of gallons in storage. > Know what I found out? If there was just > ONE day when no one purchased any > gasoline, prices would drop drastically. > The so-called oil cartel has decided to > slow production by some 2 million barrels > per day to drive up the price. I have decided > to see how many Americans we can get > to NOT BUY ANY GASOLINE on one > particular day! > Let's have a GAS OUT! Do not buy any > gasoline on APRIL 30, 1999!!!!! > Buy on Thursday before, or Saturday after. > Do not buy any gasoline on FRIDAY, > APRIL 30, 1999. > Wanna help? Send this message to > everyone you know. Ask them to do the same. > All we need is a few million to participate in > order to make a difference. > We CAN make a difference. > > Thanks. > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:05:03 -0500 From: dana sawyer Subject: PC800: April Fool! To: HondaPacificCoastOwners , HSTA Postings to List "Dana has his PC for sale..." It ain't so! I sent Roger Prince a messge on April lst concerning the above, and he fe= ll for it...hook, line and sinker! I may not be riding as much as I once did, but when I do, it's on my beloved soap dish! Ain't any other bike on the market that I'd swap it for. Couldn't pry it away from me with a crow bar! See you at STAR '99 in June, at Helen, Georgia in May (and the AMA road races at Road Atlanta in early June.) Dana -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kidbys@webtv.net (shelley kidby) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:10:13 -0800 (PST) To: Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com (dana sawyer) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (HondaPacificCoastOwners), hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu (HSTA Postings to List) Subject: Re: PC800: April Fool! Apr 1999 14:05:03 -0500 THE KING IS DEAD - LONG LIVE THE KING good to see familiar names tugging so merrily @ each other - good to see names today that were here 5 years ago too! - Jerry Kidby -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: dwilkers@us.ibm.com To: Pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:05:23 -0500 Subject: Warning: NOT PC RELATED PC800: Fw: [Fwd: Gasoline Boycott] I had to respond to this: >You have to open the attachment a few times to get this message out of the >email sent. I am forwarding it again as I plan to participate. No gasoline >purchases on April 30th. ----- Original Message ----- > Subject: FW: [Fwd: Gasoline Boycott] > > > GAS OUT > > THE GREAT "GAS OUT" > It's time we did something about the price > of gasoline in America! We are all sick and > tired of high prices when there are literally > millions of gallons in storage. > Know what I found out? If there was just > ONE day when no one purchased any > gasoline, prices would drop drastically. > The so-called oil cartel has decided to > slow production by some 2 million barrels > per day to drive up the price. I have decided > to see how many Americans we can get > to NOT BUY ANY GASOLINE on one > particular day! > Let's have a GAS OUT! Do not buy any > gasoline on APRIL 30, 1999!!!!! > Buy on Thursday before, or Saturday after. > Do not buy any gasoline on FRIDAY, > APRIL 30, 1999. > Wanna help? Send this message to > everyone you know. Ask them to do the same. > All we need is a few million to participate in > order to make a difference. > We CAN make a difference. > > Thanks. > > Gasoline prices to me seem to be the lowest they have ever been, adjusted for inflation. They are lower here in America than just about anywhere else in the world. It's this nearly-free gas that has stimulated the explosion of Suburban/Expedition type vehicles (Coming soon: Ford Excursion -- when the gluttenous Expedition just isn't enough for you and your cell phone). People don't care any more about gas mileage. Our fossil-fuels are a non-renewable resource, and yet we're hopping in our Suburbans to go to the grocery store for a gallon of milk. Doesn't this seem remarkably selfish in light of our children and future descendents? What about the other vehicles (Accords, Miatas, PC800s) and their occupants that you will simply pulverize in the event of human error? I'll gladly pay more for my gasoline. Once upon a time, we bought bigger and bigger cars (and tail fins), until the oil crisis caused us to discover these wonderful Hondas. It's the same story all over again. Now it's bigger and bigger sport-utes. Perhaps a 300% hike in prices (still below what I understand they pay in Europe and Japan) would cause people to reconsider their driving/consumption/polluting habits. It seems that we burn more fuel, have more luxuries, produce more trash, retire earlier . . and STILL complain that we have to pay--for God's sake--over a dollar a gallon for gas. Give me a break. I'm filling my PC up April 30 (and my 4-cylinder car). I hope it's two dollars a gallon that day. Doug Wilkerson 98PC800/4500 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 14:22:17 -0500 From: Janet Spencer To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: OFF: gasoline boycott fellow listers: I am sorting through this gasoline boycott idea. First, it seems strange to be protesting the price of gasoline when our fellow members like Arvid, Emile and Job already think we've got it dirt-cheap here. Secondly, although I know a list member didn't originate this message, but only forwarded it, I'm not sure what the author "found out" to substantiate his/her claim that if everyone in the U.S. did not purchase gasoline for one day, the prices would plummet. My studies in economics made it very clear that the gasoline market faces an inelastic demand curve... in other words, it doesn't matter what the price is, we have to purchase it, at any price. We'll cut back, ride in our cages less (and our PC800s more!), ride-share, etc., but when it comes down to it...we can't do without. Though I can easily 'plan' to not purchase fuel on 30 April, I really do not see that it could possibly have the net effect of that which the author proposes. Janet -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 13:49:22 -0600 To: gwta@voyager.net, Roger Bowen From: Doug Subject: Re: PC800: List 'Chatter' Cc: pc800 I really must stick my 2 cents in now...I don't care how much "chatter" there is,,Think about it,,has anyone "ever" asked a question or required information on any subject, they did not get answers for,,and I mean answers,,not one or two,,so rant on fellow listers, keep us informed when we need help...Yea for the list Doug 94 Knight Rider At 11:49 AM 04/02/1999 -0500, Thomas Ongstad wrote: >Roger Bowen wrote: >> >> It is a shame to see people dropping off the list due to the high traffic. >> I personally enjoy most all posts. >> >> I don't know the details involved, but might not one solution be to have two >> separate lists? >> One for questions/answers/comments on the PC itself and another to handle >> the 'banter'/trip reports/etc. >> Then we could choose whether to subscribe to one or both. Just a thought. >> >> Roger Bowen >> Grants Pass, Oregon > >There has been much more chatter than normal lately. Usually this list >is pretty much just about the PC and what people are doing with it or >putting on it. > >I like your idea. Put me down as a ME TOO (and I will sign up for >both). > >TommyTeal >-- >93SE (Teal, You Think?) >95Hannigan >95ACE (got to go) >97Pacific Coast >98V-Star Classic (Red, you bet) >GWTA #6871 >GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 14:36:26 -0600 From: Steve DeLorey To: PC800 Mailing List Subject: PC800: Back again Hi everyone, I've been off list for several months. Missed the helpful information and the conversations. A lot has happened in that time but I'm still riding my '90 PC and looking forward to some trips this year. Planning on the Hoot in June but still looking for something in late April or May. Also planning a trip through British Columbia, Washington, Oregon and California in July and August but that will be on four wheels. Good to be back for a while. Steve DeLorey sdelorey@mo.net http://walden.mo.net/~sdelorey -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Subject: PC800: A Likely Story Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:15:32 +0100 Nice dream Ralph... PC800 as a concept was ahead of its time and Honda marketed it at the wrong price to the wrong people. Judging by the success of the PC in Holland it should have been officially made available in Europe and Australia too. I am sure it will make a come back with all the features you mentioned. Job Sussex Coast ---------- > From: Ralph Couey > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: A Likely Story > Date: Friday, April 02, 1999 6:47 AM > > I read the April Fool's BMW posting with delight, then began thinking > about news stories I'd LIKE to see.... > > New York (AP)--Honda America announced today that the Pacific Coast > motorcycle would be re-introduced in 2001 after a series of sweeping > upgrades. The bike, known as the PC800, was first offered in 1989 and > was the first motorcycle fully covered in plastic. The design proved > less than successful with buyers for a number of reasons, although > current owners remain fiercely loyal. > According to Honda's American Sales Director, the bike was pulled from > the market after the 1998 model year, citing disappointing sales > figures. "We then sat down and completely re-thought what we were > trying to accomplish with a sport-touring motorcycle design. We looked > at BMW's enormous success with their R1100RT and our own successful > ST1100 and decided there was a market here if we could re-design the > bike to fit rider expectations." > The re-design specifically addresses major complaints, such as power, > range, and options. The heart of the new PC is a beefier 900cc V-twin > fed by a 6.6 gallon internal fuel tank. The trademark plastic skin with > it's massive trunk, will look a little more integrated and less bulbous > appearing, a la BMW's K1200LT and may include a top box as an option. > Plans are also in the works to tweak the suspension into a more sporting > attitude. Honda's sources say designers are even testing out an > adjustable windshield. Other options include a sound system, heated > grips, adjustable seat height, and auxiliary plug-ins. > "We didn't want to create a "baby Gold Wing" or chip into the ST1100 > market too much. Our goal is to put into the hands of our customers a > reliable long-distance bike that is fun to ride and great to look at. > And provide it for less than $11,000, including the latest auto-lean > upgrade." Industry analysts think the new PC will attract customers who > like a swoopy sport-tourer, but were put off by the price of the BMW. > Model intros to the press are scheduled for late summer of 2000. > > (sigh) > > A man can dream, can't he? > > Ralph Couey > Columbia, MO > 70 degrees and sailing > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Cc: , Subject: Re: PC800: Anybody in group wants to reply to..... Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 20:56:52 +0100 I confirm everything Emile said. I am not sure about the "Dutch west coast to the east coast" bit; may be that happens only on April 1 :-) I would further add:- PC800 was the choice by Virgin Atlantic as the 'Limo Bike' to transport executives to the airport though London's traffic. PC800 handles so well in the twisties of England and it is more suited to our roads and traffic conditions than the so called Pan European. It did not become popular in Britain simply because it was not marketed properly by any dealers. In Holland there is a good dealer and consequently there are over 1000 PC800s there. My nearest Honda dealer (Littlehampton M/Cs in Sussex) could not supply me with a PC800 but they have the PC800 Microfiche with all part numbers. One local PC800 owner wanted an exhaust system and they got it within 6 days and fitted it. Apparently, PC800 parts are stocked in Honda's European Warehouse. But parts are likely to be more expensive than US or Holland. Consumables such are filters, tyres, brake pads are readily available. Judging by the collective experience of 226 owners in this list you are unlikely to need anything else for a very very long time! I would however recommend that you get the 'Wong Wing' and Neill's 'Gizmo Bag' ;-) The unique 'AutoLean' is standard equipment on all models before 1997 ;-) One thing PC800 owners do enjoy in Britain is the rarity of the bike. There are hundreds of STs, BMWs, VFRs, Fireblades, etc. on the road but so few PC800s. People admire the clean and handsome good looks of the PC. I keep getting many good remarks when I park it in town. I know only 5 other PC800 owners in Britain but they are all full of praise for the PC800. If you still feel unsure, join this list and you will hear what owners world-wide has to say about this fantastic motorcycle. You will also meet some of the nicest people on the planet... Job Sussex Coast ---------- >From: Emile Nossin >was a short-lived model because even Honda realised they'd designed a > >lemon, the designer recently went on record saying it wasn't one of his > > '89 till '98 is short lifed ? Bikes who can easily run at least 200K US miles without > overhaul are lemons ? > > >best efforts, you can't get many parts in the UK, it's got a fuel range > >of 100 miles, > > Range is 150 to 200 miles (some people more, don't know how), but > it's far enough for me. I can go from the Dutch west coast to the east coast and halfway back on that range, that's sufficient for me. > > >and even the lowest speed drop will shatter all those > >acres of shiny plastic. > > The great thing about the PC is it's crash bars that prevent a lot of > expensive damage. The only thing I had to replace after two drops > (one low speed, one 30 US mph) were the plastic crashbar covers. > They're not cheap, but it beats having to replace mirror + signal light + > exhaust + engine case + steering bar + clutch / brake lever + leg (now they're > expensive). Believe me, if you want to slide a bike, the PC is designed to > do it in the safest and cheapest way (including "break away mirrors" which > hang on to a steel wire and reattach within a minute). > > The parts are hard to get in the UK, but not in Holland (very popular). > Good thing is you hardly need any because it's so darn reliable. > Don't know the sender of these strange critics, since it's forwarded to the PC > list, but I'll leave forwarding to you. > Greetings and happy eastern, > Van: Arvid Løvik > Aan: PC 800 Club > Datum: vrijdag 2 april 1999 1:14 > Onderwerp: PC800: Anybody in group wants to reply to..... > This ????? > > > Peter Hockham wrote: > > > Has anyone bought a "grey import" PC 800 as I have been offered one but I > > have heard nightmare stories about getting spares and servicing in the UK. > > I live near Epsom, Surrey and no dealer wants to know! > > Do I go for it or steer clear? > > Grateful for any advice...(impartial) > > Oh, fer Chrissakes...... > > You've answered your own question. > > Points in favour of a PC800: It's a Honda, it's reliable, and it's a > doddle to keep clean. > > Points against a PC800: It's a Honda, it's not an official import, it > was a short-lived model because even Honda realised they'd designed a > lemon, the designer recently went on record saying it wasn't one of his > best efforts, you can't get many parts in the UK, it's got a fuel range > of 100 miles, and even the lowest speed drop will shatter all those > acres of shiny plastic. > > Leave it. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 13:05:27 -0800 From: Roger Pariseau To: dwilkers@us.ibm.com Cc: Pc800@hpc.uh.edu, Janet Spencer Subject: Re: Warning: NOT PC RELATED PC800: Fw: [Fwd: Gasoline Boycott] Doug Wilkerson wrote: > I'll gladly pay more for my gasoline. ... Perhaps a 300% hike in prices > (still below what I understand they pay in Europe and Japan) would cause > people to reconsider their driving/consumption/polluting habits. It seems > that we burn more fuel, have more luxuries, produce more trash, retire > earlier . . and STILL complain that we have to pay--for God's sake--over > a dollar a gallon for gas. > > Give me a break. I'm filling my PC up April 30 (and my 4-cylinder car). > I hope it's two dollars a gallon that day. Janet Spencer wrote: > Though I can easily 'plan' to not purchase fuel on 30 April, I really do > not see that it could possibly have the net effect of that which the > author proposes. Doug & Janet: It's the Law of Possibilities in effect here. If we were purchasing gas for less than $1 a month ago and now are paying $1.50+, then the Law of Possibilities decrees that someone somewhere is making way too much money. This is because the Law of Supply and Demand is not in effect. OPEC artificially reduced Supply. Demand is about the same. So the suppliers (tankers, refiners, wholesalers, retailers) take the modest OPEC bump, multiply it by 150% at every stage of the process, and let us pay them a nice bonus. The "Great American Gas Out Day" won't affect those suppliers. They can wait for tomorrow. What GAGOD does do is to put our politicians on alert. Just the threat of it has gotten some of these worthies interested in "collusion" in the oil industry. After all, there isn't _any_ competition at the pumps! If the increased gas prices reflected actual higher costs (and were proportional thereto), I wouldn't be complaining. Europeans have higher taxes that cause their gas prices to be so high. They also have much better roads, much better cops, and cradle-to-grave social services. Gotta get the bucks for that stuff somewhere. Insofar as the gas hog vehicle vs. the finite supply of petroleum is concerned, we have several ways of dealing with this, none of them pleasant. One is to have a National Horsepower Tax on all new and used vehicle sales with the monies going to EPA. Another is to put tolls on all restricted highways: One person in a vehicle, 100% toll; two people in a vehicle, 50% toll; three or more persons, no toll. Funds raised this way could go to increasing the numbers of traffic patrols on our roads. A third is to have an excise tax at vehicle registration time based on EPA fuel economy ratings for each vehicle. This money could go into a fund to study alternative fuel technologies. Now just try to get any of these sensible notions past a Congress paid for by the auto and oil industries! -- Roger -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 15:21:14 -0400 To: Janet Spencer , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: OFF: gasoline boycott At 2:22 PM -0500 4/2/99, Janet Spencer wrote: >Though I can easily 'plan' to not purchase fuel on 30 April, I really do >not see that it could possibly have the net effect of that which the >author proposes. > >Janet >-- Well said Janet. I agree completely. I have no idea how not buying gas on one particluar day will prove or solve anything. To be truly effective, we need to not *use* gas for one day, thereby lowering the demand for it. fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:13:32 -0400 To: From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: PC800: mindless chatter, net abuse and "Net-i-quette' At 6:53 PM +0200 4/2/99, Emile Nossin wrote: >A decent mailprogram can sort your incoming messages to seperate >folders automatically. You can then scroll thru the PC messages >with your delete button without having to worry about missing >personal messages and such. Just an idea, hate to see nice >people leave.... : ) >Greetings, >___ >|_ mile |\ |ossin >|__urope | \|etherlands I have been practicing this for quite a while. All messages that are sent from the listserver are automatically filtered to my PC800 folder. In addition, when the long, useless posts start to get quoted in every reply and added to by a few dozen people, I simply sort my PC800 folder on the subject field and do a mass delete. When the real bandwidth hoggers get going, I add a new filter. For example, any message with "auto" and "lean" in the subject is filtered to the Trash. I wish there was some way to avoid having to download the message to save on my connect time. Perhaps we should look at re-posting listserver rules/recommendations and reviewing some proper "Net-iquette". Motorcycle Consumer News talks about it in the March 1999 issue. One of the things that ticks me off is when listers quote an entire message, *including* the footer that appears at the bottom of every message, then references a word or a line in the post. I have seen messages where the footer was in there 4 and 5 times. Please edit all non-essential parts out of the message. Another issue is the failure of the Subject Line to be indicative of the actual content of the post. If a certain subject is of no interest to the reader, he/she may delete it or filter it without reading it first. (As a good example, if you wanted my input about a Clearview screen make sure the words 'auto' and 'lean' are not in the subject. I will never even see that message!) Also, if someone asks a question, and you want to reply, read all of your new messages first. You may discover that an answer has already been posted, maybe even several times. I know some of you are thinking that I am being a butt-head about this but so far I have received 41 messages with AutoLean in the subject field. You know......I wish I could get half that many answers to a valid question about the PC. Okay....I'll go take my medication now.... ride safe... fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:24:47 -0400 To: dwilkers@us.ibm.com From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: Warning: NOT PC RELATED PC800: Fw: [Fwd: Gasoline Boycott] Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 1:05 PM -0500 4/2/99, dwilkers@us.ibm.com wrote: > It seems that we >burn more fuel, have more luxuries, produce more trash, retire earlier . . >and STILL complain that we have to pay--for God's sake--over a dollar a >gallon for gas. > >Give me a break. I'm filling my PC up April 30 (and my 4-cylinder car). >I hope it's two dollars a gallon that day. > > >Doug Wilkerson >98PC800/4500 miles > Well said Doug ! Some of these listers have no idea how good they have it. I get taxed 50% on my income, pay 15% tax on most of my purchases, pay 70% tax on gasoline, and there have been times when I have paid almost the same price for a liter of gas as some listers were paying for a gallon! And I'm only in Canada! Have a look at our friends in Europe. I can remember filling up an Opel Corsa on the Autoroute between Geneva and Paris. We're talking about a car smaller than a Ford Escort, and I paid $50 US to fill it up! fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m3.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id D68UZ3GE; Fri, 02 Apr 1999 16:31:12 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:32:14 -0800 Subject: Re: PC800: How do I remove trunk? From: Joyce D Calvert Hi Aaron, My trunk is off the bike right now getting some (ahem) patchwork done. I was able to get the trunk section of the manual sent to me from another lister. I wouldn't loosen one bolt until I did. I will snailmail it to you if you like. Here's the process: 1. Open trunk and remove two bolts for front seat. Slide seat back and release seat hook from frame. Close trunk part way and remove seat. 2. Open trunk lid. Remove trunk damper cotter pins (one at each end), and collars. Remove damper altogether. 3. Close trunk. Remove trunk lid frame mounting socket bolts. I had to remove my air ducts and side panels before doing this. 4. Trunk lock cable emerges at gas tank door (duh). There's a lock nut to keep it tight. Loosen that. Pull on cable a bit until small metal ball at end of cable is free and you can see it move. Then jiggle and align raw cable with slot until it comes out. There are plastic hooks for the insulated cable to run through from trunk to gas tank door. Mine were a bit difficult to free the cable from -- don't be in a hurry. Manual sez installation is in exact reverse order. I have yet to see. Mine should be ready to install sometime early next week. Good luck! Joyce Sonoma County, Ca On Thu, 1 Apr 1999 22:32:14 EST AaronJ007@aol.com writes: >I don't have a service manual and the consensus here on the list is >that I >need to remove the trunk to replace the chrome muffler cover. Is that > >difficult? Can any of you walk me through it? > >Thanks! > >Aaron J. Neumeyer >AaronJ007@aol.com >'98 PC >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:21:20 -0800 (PST) From: John La Subject: PC800: NOT PC - 2 FRS RADIOS for sale To: pclist I bought 2 radio shack FRS radio for our the Death Valley ride, and I don't need them any more. I wanted to offer them to my fellow PC'ers before putting them on e-bay I bought two used motorola talkabouts, which seemed to work better with the wiring harness/PTT/helmet setup that was rigged up from the old maxons radios we used to use. I was going to return the Radio Shack ones, but they have some minor cosmetic scuffs, and that wouldn't be fair to the next owner paying retail. These were purchased 30 days ago and work perfectly. It's the ones Radio Shack is selling for $69.95 each. With tax, the pair cost more than $150. They are claiming a 2 mile range, and I can say it's pretty close to that. I'll take $110 for both and I'll pay shipping in the US. E-mail me directly if interested. John _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael S. Brown" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: suspension Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 19:35:32 -0600 Hey, WOW! What a difference the Works Performance shocks and fork springs make. With the stock setup, the PC would wallow, "slinky trunk" (see Kent Polk's posts), or wag the tail through corners. Some pogoing would also occur as the suspension would constantly move to adjust for cornering loads. Creating a disconcerting feeling in the rider as well as effectively limiting cornering speed. Also, when braking hard the front end would dive significantly. The new shocks dramatically correct these problems. Stability when cornering is VERY substantially improved. Starting to get into moderate sport bike response and handling characteristics. No more wallowing and pogoing while going around a corner. The bike just tracks and maintains line with very little upset. Excellent compression and rebound damping. In practicing panic stops (it is that time of year to practice again), the front end dive is noticeably reduced. On the flat potions of the road, a little harsher ride is experienced, but not much. The dual rate springs that Works Performance has created still provide a fairly compliant ride for the non-twisty roads. One effect, perhaps adverse, is that the seat height is increased. My previous seat height was 29.9 to 30.0 inches with the ramp at the # 3 setting. After installation of the new shocks, the seat height was 30.9 inches. Bottom line - I really like the new shocks and the ride provided. Michael '90 PC800 "ESCAPN" (P.S. If you have additional questions about the shocks and fork springs, reply off list, I no longer subscribe to the PC800 list. Sixty to seventy e-mails per day was just too much.) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:35:02 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: A Likely Story Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:35:03 -0500 From: To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Amen to what others have said. But, it doesn't even need the bigger engine. All they have to do is "breathe" on the one they have. Witness the performance of the VTR1000F. Question is, can they cut 2 seconds off the 0-60 and still have the engine run trouble free for 100,000+ miles? -- Jim Hart "He who gives up liberty for security ends up with neither." - Benjamin Franklin -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. via smtpd (for mailrelay.data-io.com [139.138.100.89]) with SMTP; 3 Apr 1999 02:40:23 UT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Cotes, Steven" To: "'Bill Jackman'" , Ralph Couey , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: A Likely Story Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:42:39 -0800 I'd get in line too. If it didn't have a 6th, then maybe a taller 5th. And fuel injection would be nice so we wouldn't have to sync the carbs. And more electrical capacity. - steve cotes - '96 PC, 1 year old 11.8k > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Jackman [SMTP:bjackman@united-funding.com] > Sent: Friday, April 02, 1999 9:48 AM > To: Ralph Couey; pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: PC800: A Likely Story > > I'm in line right behind you for production unit #00000002, & please > make > sure this one has a 6th gear. > Bill Jackman > 89~25k > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ralph Couey > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 1999 9:47 PM > Subject: PC800: A Likely Story > > > > > upgrade." Industry analysts think the new PC will attract customers > who > > like a swoopy sport-tourer, but were put off by the price of the > BMW. > > Model intros to the press are scheduled for late summer of 2000. > > > > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 20:52:10 -0600 From: Steve Wilson CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: mindless chatter, net abuse and "Net-i-quette' Francois Saint Laurent wrote: > > I know some of you are thinking that I am being a butt-head about this but > so far I have received 41 messages with AutoLean in the subject field. > > Okay....I'll go take my medication now.... > Let me know what medicine you are taking. I agree with everything you said so I guess I need the same medicine. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 IBA, 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: A Likely Story Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 05:17:39 +0200 >Judging by the success of the PC in Holland it should have been officially >made available in Europe and Australia too. No, that wouldn't have worked. They calculated how much it would cost if sold officially, it would be very near the price of a ST. It really would have been too expensive. By importing them grey in great masses they were able to keep the price substantial lower and more attractive. That's one of the main reasons it was such a succes here. A lot of bike for the buck / florin / guilder / €uro. ___ |_ mile |\ |ossin |__urope | \|etherlands --------------------------------------------------- *Site: http://fly.to/emile *Bike: '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" *Webphone: +31 (023) 5392323 ( http://www.mediaring.com ) *ICQ: 17992318 ( http://www.icq.com ) *Email: Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: mindless chatter, net abuse and "Net-i-quette' Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 05:24:21 +0200 > I know some of you are thinking that I am being a butt-head about this but > so far I have received 41 messages with AutoLean in the subject field. > Just curious, but how many did you count for "mindless chatter" and so ? ___ |_ mile |\ |ossin |__urope | \|etherlands --------------------------------------------------- *Site: http://fly.to/emile *Bike: '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" *Webphone: +31 (023) 5392323 ( http://www.mediaring.com ) *ICQ: 17992318 ( http://www.icq.com ) *Email: Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kidbys@webtv.net (shelley kidby) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 20:13:34 -0800 (PST) To: cotess@data-io.com (Cotes, Steven) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: A Likely Story --WebTV-Mail-818852381-3714 ..and a BIG bus bar to serve up the amps .. then I could plug my truck stereo in! and my RCI 2950 and driving lights and light bars and maybe even some BIG yellow flashers --WebTV-Mail-818852381-3714 postoffice-232.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:40:57 -0800 mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id SAA01566; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:40:56 -0800 (PST) lisa.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAC12061; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 20:40:55 -0600 (CST) UAA08682 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 20:41:04 -0600 (CST) SAA15850; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:39:58 -0800 (PST) 18:39:58 PDT mailrelay.data-io.com [139.138.100.89]) with SMTP; 3 Apr 1999 02:40:23 UT 18:40:25 PST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Cotes, Steven" To: "'Bill Jackman'" , Ralph Couey , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: A Likely Story Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:42:39 -0800 I'd get in line too. If it didn't have a 6th, then maybe a taller 5th. And fuel injection would be nice so we wouldn't have to sync the carbs. And more electrical capacity. - steve cotes - '96 PC, 1 year old 11.8k > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Jackman [SMTP:bjackman@united-funding.com] > Sent: Friday, April 02, 1999 9:48 AM > To: Ralph Couey; pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: PC800: A Likely Story > > I'm in line right behind you for production unit #00000002, & please > make > sure this one has a 6th gear. > Bill Jackman > 89~25k > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ralph Couey > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 1999 9:47 PM > Subject: PC800: A Likely Story > > > > > upgrade." Industry analysts think the new PC will attract customers > who > > like a swoopy sport-tourer, but were put off by the price of the > BMW. > > Model intros to the press are scheduled for late summer of 2000. > > > > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. --WebTV-Mail-818852381-3714-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Doylefish@aol.com for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:37:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:37:40 EST Subject: PC800: Re: Battery tender contact info To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hello The battery tender sometimes does not have enough output to jump start a dead battery into charging. Also there are many times that a battery shorts out in a way that it signals the charging system that it is full charged and does not need any more juice. I have had this happen twice. Once on a GoldWing and another on a Shadow. I had a small 12 volt this year that the battery tender would not charge but I put a 2 amp charger on it for a while and the battery has been fine every since. I is also not a good idea to leave a unpluged battery chargers hooked up to a battery. I did this on a lawn mower awhile back and that battery was never very good after that. Doyle C. Frazier Lebanon, Oregon 89 PC - unnamed 95 PC - Dark Vadar -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 00:05:33 -0600 From: Ralph Couey To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: The Perfect PC It's been fun reading the replies to my "likely story" post and while reading them, I had a sorta goofy idea. Why don't we "design" the perfect Pacific Coast? The ground rules are thus: 1. Send your replies to me off-list and I will compile them into a list which I will publish to the list when your inputs peter out. 2. Remember the PC mission "a lot of bike for the bucks" and try not to build another 'Wing. 3. Suggestions could be as major as engine re-design/replacement or as minor as driving lights and gear indicators. 4. As much as possible, be reasonable and realistic. If I can locate someone within the Honda realm who might take this at least semi-seriously, I will copy the final list to them. Above all, let's have some fun with this! Ralph Couey Columbia, Missouri And I didn't once mention A*** L***! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 00:47:37 -0500 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Ralph Couey CC: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: A Likely Story Hi Ralph, Ralph Couey wrote: > I'm game; do you know the address? > > "Leland C. Sheppard" wrote: > > > > That's so good I think you should send Honda a copy... > > When we sent our protests over the discontinuance of the PC to Honda, this is the man we sent them to. He's head of marketing in the US for Honda motorcycles, as I recall. Probably a good choice for sending your idea. Mr. John Petas, Senior Vice President Motorcycle Division American Honda Motor Company 1919 Torrance Blvd. Torrance, CA 90501 Go Ralph! -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 128,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 00:42:10 -0500 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: jgoula CC: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: FW: New clothes for the King Hi Juan, jgoula wrote: > "Prince, Roger" wrote: > > > > I guess Dana has his PC for sale. > > > > Roger > > Egads! E tu, Dana? My god, they are dropping like flies... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 128,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 00:54:13 -0500 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Doug CC: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: List 'Chatter' Hi Doug, Doug wrote: > I really must stick my 2 cents in now...I don't care how much "chatter" > there is,,Think about it,,has anyone "ever" asked a question or required > information on any subject, they did not get answers for,,and I mean > answers,,not one or two,,so rant on fellow listers, keep us informed when > we need help...Yea for the list Hear, hear!! -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 128,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 00:59:04 -0500 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Roger Prince CC: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: [Fwd: FS pc800 sighting] Hi Roger, Roger Prince wrote: > Wasn't krevans one of last year's deer slayers? I don't remember the cause of his accident but I have the stock seat from his wrecked '89 on my '94 and yes, he was on this list. He's out of the motorcycle market for about a year, he said, and may then be back. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 128,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 00:50:14 -0500 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: jhart@mail.lewiston.lib.me.us CC: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: A Likely Story Hi Jim, jhart@mail.lewiston.lib.me.us wrote: > Question is, can they cut 2 seconds off > the 0-60 and still have the engine run trouble free for 100,000+ miles? Probably not... > "He who gives up liberty for security ends up with neither." - Benjamin > Franklin > What a great quote! -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 128,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 01:03:30 -0500 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: dana sawyer CC: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: April Fool! Hi Dana, dana sawyer wrote: > "Dana has his PC for sale..." > > It ain't so! > > I sent Roger Prince a messge on April lst concerning the above, and he fell > for it...hook, line and sinker! > > I may not be riding as much as I once did, but when I do, it's on my > beloved soap dish! > > Ain't any other bike on the market that I'd swap it for. Couldn't pry it > away from me with a crow bar! Boy, did you get him on that one! -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 128,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bradspapa@aol.com for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 08:06:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 08:06:49 EST Subject: PC800: pc800 sold... To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu hey troops... i sold my pc last week...and thot i'd let you all know what i got for it...just for your database of what pc's are going for these days. this was a 1998 that i bot new in june '98 and rode on my "grand tour of north america"...it had 14,500 miles and i included the givi rack and topbox in the deal. $5500. both the buyer and i were happy with that price...one of those win/win situations. i'm in columbus, ohio...and the buyer is from cincinnati. so now that i'm bikeless i have the fun task of deciding what to buy next. i'm gonna take a long hard look (and hopefully a long test-ride) on the new suzuki vtwin. the magazines seem to like that bike...very flickable and all. if that doesn't do it for me i may go with the naked bmw...the r1100r. part of me, however, wants to get a harley. i've never owned one and i'm kinda fascinated by the sportster sport. my friends are appalled that i would even consider a sportster...underpowered and shakes like a paint shaker with its solid-mounted engine they say. but i kinda think every biker ought to own a harley at least once in his life! we'll see... later! don... -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Desmond Cockburn" To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Glad to be back. Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 06:32:18 PST Hey gang, Hopefully I am back to receiving my daily download of the further adventures of the PC800 list members. Due to some sort of problem with Hotmail I have been unable to follow along with the daily installments. Seems they had me listed as MIA and the PC list robot gave me up for dead. I must give a big thumbs down to the Hotmail customer service division but at the moment would prefer to have the list delivered to only one e mail account. Des 95 PC, Dream Weaver Okmulgee, Ok. Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bill Jackman" To: "PC 800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: mindless chatter, net abuse and "Net-i-quette' Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 08:13:36 -0700 >----- Original Message ----- >From: Francois Saint Laurent >To: >Sent: Friday, April 02, 1999 12:13 PM >Subject: PC800: mindless chatter, net abuse and "Net-i-quette' > > I wish there was some way to >> avoid having to download the message to save on my connect time. www.netzero.com Gives free unlimited ISP dialup and email. Unfortunately, after checking on the service areas they only offer service to the US right now, don't know about future expansion. There is a catch however, (as always.) You must provide some personal statistics, (bogus or not, your choice), and small "advertisement box" window runs in the corner of your screen while you are connected. I don't use mine all the time, but use it as a backup when other dialups are busy/out of service. Bill Jackman 89~25k (running on battery power while I decide to buy new stator or attempt having rewound) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 09:36:09 -0600 From: Steve DeLorey To: PC800 Mailing List Subject: PC800: Coolant Leak For several months I have noticed an occasional spot of coolant on the garage floor after the bike has been "resting" for a week or so. It's on the left side about six inches forward of the water pump. I've pulled the side panels and checked the water pump and everything else that is visible at the lower level. The source seems to be higher up on the engine. Before I tear off all that plastic (and possibly the engine housing) I was wondering if any one else has experienced a coolant leak of this nature and where the source might be. It's a '90 model with 32,000 miles on it. Steve DeLorey -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:54:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:54:23 EST Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Battery tender contact info To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Doyle writes: << I had a small 12 volt this year that the battery tender would not charge but I put a 2 amp charger on it for a while and the battery has been fine every since. >> The Battery Tender has a threshold battery voltage below which it will not engage to preclude trying to charge a shorted battery. I believe that threshold is 3 volts. If you have a completely dead battery, you must first bring it up to the threshold voltage with a trickle charger; then the Battery Tender will finish the charge normally. J. T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John & Rhoda Strode" To: Subject: PC800: 89 PC800 For Sale Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 08:55:12 -0800 I have an '89 PC with 50,000 miles on it for sale. The bike has been = well cared for and is in good condition. I bought it in 1993 with = 16,000 miles and the stator was replaced at approximately 36,000 miles. = It has the original windshield on it. Selling price $2,900. Bike is in = Myrtle Creek, OR. (Reason for sale, I am now riding a 96 PC that John = has decided he doesn't want anymore.) Will be glad to supply more info = if needed.=20 You can contact us at strode@pioneer-net.com , VFR_John@yahoo.com , = pcoast800@yahoo.com . (541) 863-5303. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (SMTPD32-4.07) id A9B149201F4; Sat, 03 Apr 1999 09:02:41 PST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 09:05:22 -0800 From: Richard Hardy To: PC800 list Subject: PC800: Battery Acid This question is about batteries per se, not just PC batteries, but I know some PC Lister out there has an answer. About a week ago, I checked the level in my cage battery and it was low, so I topped it off with distilled water. However, the "topping off" consisted of about 10 ounces of water. All was ok until yesterday, when the battery became near dead. I've had it on my home charger at 6 amps for 16 hours and it still is not charged. I suspect that I should not have put that much water in the battery, but should have used battery (sulfuric) acid instead. My questions: 1. Are my suppositions correct? 2. If correct, is it possible to save the battery by dumping all liquid out and refilling with battery acid? 3. When a battery is charged, does it actually change the water to acid? I know this sounds like a dumb question, and I THINK the answer is "No," but frankly, I just don't know. Thanks much for your help. Richard Hardy -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. via smtpd (for mailrelay.data-io.com [139.138.100.89]) with SMTP; 3 Apr 1999 17:49:33 UT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Cotes, Steven" To: "'Richard Hardy'" , PC800 list Subject: RE: PC800: Battery Acid Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 09:51:42 -0800 Richard, answers below: > This question is about batteries per se, not just PC batteries, but I > know some PC Lister out there has an answer. About a week ago, I > checked the level in my cage battery and it was low, so I topped it > off > with distilled water. However, the "topping off" consisted of about > 10 > ounces of water. All was ok until yesterday, when the battery became > near dead. I've had it on my home charger at 6 amps for 16 hours and > it > still is not charged. I suspect that I should not have put that much > water in the battery, but should have used battery (sulfuric) acid > instead. My questions: > > 1. Are my suppositions correct? * No, if a battery is setup and working correctly then any moisture lost is water. It should be replaced with water, if you add acid the balance will be upset. > 2. If correct, is it possible to save the battery by dumping all > liquid > out and refilling with battery acid? * Anything is possible, but I wouldn't put much hope in it. > 3. When a battery is charged, does it actually change the water to > acid? I know this sounds like a dumb question, and I THINK the > answer is "No," but frankly, I just don't know. * A fairly good article on batteries can be found at http://www.mcnews.com/articles/battery.htm , -HTH, - steve cotes > Thanks much for your help. > > Richard Hardy > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (SMTPD32-4.06) id A593F4600EE; Sat, 03 Apr 1999 16:18:11 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Roger Prince" To: "'Steve DeLorey'" , "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: RE: PC800: Coolant Leak Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 16:21:16 -0500 Importance: Normal Check the bottoms of the coolant return pipes in the center of the engine block. They are just sitting in the block with o-ring type seals. I had mine dry out on my '90. Roger Prince -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu] On Behalf Of Steve DeLorey Sent: Saturday, April 03, 1999 10:36 AM To: PC800 Mailing List Subject: PC800: Coolant Leak For several months I have noticed an occasional spot of coolant on the garage floor after the bike has been "resting" for a week or so. It's on the left side about six inches forward of the water pump. I've pulled the side panels and checked the water pump and everything else that is visible at the lower level. The source seems to be higher up on the engine. Before I tear off all that plastic (and possibly the engine housing) I was wondering if any one else has experienced a coolant leak of this nature and where the source might be. It's a '90 model with 32,000 miles on it. Steve DeLorey -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bill Kapinski" To: Subject: PC800: For Sale - 1998 PC800 Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 16:48:54 -0600 1998 PC for sale. Purchased new in June of last year. 3,300 miles. = Color coordinated Rifle faring/shield, Throttlemeister throttle control, = large Goldwing foam grips. Asking $6,300. If interested, contact me = via e-mail.....=20 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bill Kapinski" To: Subject: PC800: For Sale - 1998 PC800 Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 17:00:50 -0600 Ooops - I forgot.... Located in Green Bay, Wisconsin. I just bought a = Goldwing.... 1998 PC for sale. Purchased new in June of last year. 3,300 miles. = Color coordinated Rifle faring/shield, Throttlemeister throttle control, = large Goldwing foam grips. Asking $6,300. If interested, contact me = via e-mail.....=20 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: PC800: PC vs ST (long but on topic at least) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 22:56:12 -0500 Recently Jim Alexander posted an excellent comparison of the PC800 and = the ST1100. Having owned both he is eminently qualified to compare these = machines and since I've been seriously considering the ST as my next = ride, I thoroughly enjoyed his comments. I thought I'd add a few = additional observations on my recent opportunity ride felow HSTA member, = Rick Giddish's ST1100. We swapped bikes for about 20 minutes yesterday = on the Blue Ridge Parkway; hardly a long term comparison but adequate to = form some initial opinions. =20 My PC is a '95 with a tall Rifle shield and stock seat. Rick's ST is a = '97 - with stock handlebars, seat, and windshield.=20 Saddle feedback - switch off The ST sits at least an inch (maybe more) taller than the PC. Not a = problem for me - in fact I find the PC a bit cramped for my legs (I'm = 6'3" and 200lbs). I could easily stand flat footed astride the ST but a = shorter rider might have a problem doing so. On the PC I can stand flat = footed with a couple of inches between my butt and the seat - in fact I = often stand up at traffic lights to stretch. With the stock bars, I have to lean over a bit more than on the PC - not = as much as on my little Ninja but enough to put some weight on my = wrists. The stock seat feels good and because of the slight forward lean some on = the riders weight is supported by the thighs rather than the just the = butt like on the PC. ST controls are marked with International symbols rather than English = words like Run/Stop. Push the starter... The ST has a really nice exhaust note. The PC is MUCH quieter and I do = like the thunka - thunka of the V-twin. The ST, is of course, a much = smoother sound and it's loud enough to be audible to standers-by. In gear and away... Low end torque seems about the same on both bikes. Both will pull away = at a fast idle with no problem. On either bike one can poke along at = 1500 rpm and then just roll on the throttle to accelerate. The ST is = about 100 lbs heavier than the PC and seems to carry it's weight a bit = higher in the frame. It feels heavier at parking lot speeds but not at = all awkward. However, there's no doubt this is a large motorcycle. To me = the PC has better parking lot "manners" but since I'm much more = accustomed to it, that may not be a fair comparison.=20 Underway.. At speeds above jogging pace, the weight of the ST seems to disappear. = The same characteristics which make it a bit more awkward at very slow = speeds now work to its advantage. It feels longer, less "twitchy" and = more stable than the PC. The taller seating position is obvious - I just = felt further off the ground on the ST. That, and the higher weight = distribution of the V-4 seemed to make the ST a little less flickable = than the PC but both bikes respond beautifully to counter steering. = Since we were on the BRP, I never got much over 60 but the ST feels like = it would be rock stable at high speed. And, it was obvious that's what = it really wanted to do. While the PC is quite content to thump along at = 50 mph, the ST seemed to be whispering, "faster, faster" all the time. = There's plenty of power available at any speed and although a low speed = roll on feels about the same as the PC at first, as the revs climb, the = big ponies of the ST make themselves known in a way the PC could never = achieve. It's obvious even without going there the ST has MUCH more top = end.=20 Jim Alexander pointed out and I agree that the PC provides better wind = protection for the rider. Both the faring and windshield are "skimpier" = on the ST. The stock windshield on the ST would have to go if it were = mine. I see that Rifle has +4, +6 and +8 windshields available - one of = these would make the ride much quieter I'm sure but it appears that more = air would still come around the sides of the faring. The stock bars are = more narrow and considerably lower (relative to seat height) and while = they felt fine for the short time I was on board but I suspect they are = a bit too "sporty" for long distance riding. The PC's riding position is = more "touring" in nature due to the more upright bars and more forward = peg position and I really noticed how upright I sat when I got back on = my bike. The difference was in some way more pronounced that when I = switch between the PC and the Ninja. The differences in those two bikes = are so great that one really doesn't feel compelled to compare them. = With the PC and the ST, the family resemblance is quite obvious and one = can't help but contrast the two machines when ridden back-to-back. So, bottom line... If money were no object, I think I'll probably buy an ST. I might just = do so anyway if the right deal comes along. Don't get me wrong, I really = like my PC and in my opinion, it would be hard to find a more versatile = motorcycle or one which provides more value. Jim Alexander summed up his = comments with something like he enjoyed ridding his PC but he has fun = ridding his ST. After my brief exposure to the machine, I think I can = identify with that. I guess the question is just how much fun can I = afford! OBTW, what did the Rick say about the PC? - quiet (both engine and wind noise) - dramatically lower seating position=20 - very comfortable bar and peg position Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net http://home.naxs.com/jrandall/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 22:10:16 -0500 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Steve DeLorey CC: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Coolant Leak Hi Steve, Steve DeLorey wrote: > For several months I have noticed an occasional spot of coolant on the > garage floor after the bike has been "resting" for a week or so. It's on > the left side about six inches forward of the water pump. I've pulled > the side panels and checked the water pump and everything else that is > visible at the lower level. The source seems to be higher up on the > engine. Before I tear off all that plastic (and possibly the engine > housing) I was wondering if any one else has experienced a coolant leak > of this nature and where the source might be. It's a '90 model with > 32,000 miles on it. I had a similiar problem and it turned out to be the seals in the water pump. Had the pump replaced (about 71000 miles on the bike as I recall but it had been leaking for some time). Turns out that Honda has a bulletin out regarding use of antifreeze with silicone in it. It appears that the silicone eats up the seals over time. They recommend switching to an antifreeze with no silicone which I have since done. Honda came out with their own antifreeze (no silicone) because of this problem. I think my mechanic was using Prestone until that time. If yours is in front of the pump, could coolant from the pump be running forward to that point? I don't remember where mine hit the floor in relation to the pump, just that it was clearly coolant leaking and when my mechanic checked, he concluded that it was coming from the pump. Incidentally, mine leaked a small spot almost on a daily basis; not a lot, just a few drops. Enough for me to see it... Don't know if that will help or not but I hope so... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 128,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PRAYINGDS@aol.com for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 08:04:10 -0500 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 08:04:10 EDT Subject: PC800: WANTED: TALL HONDALINE WINDSHIELD To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu PC800 brethren and sistern, Any listers willing to part with the taller version Honda shield for a fair price? I will accept one in fair to good condition, as long as it is not heavily scratched or "clouded". Let me know your price and I will do my best to accommodate you. God bless all, Dennis the minis---ter '90 PC800 10K Miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: PC vs ST (long but on topic at least) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 15:34:00 +0200 >>>> The ST sits at least an inch (maybe more) taller than the PC. Not a problem for me - in fact I find the PC a bit cramped for my legs (I'm 6'3" and 200lbs). >>>> Jim (R), since I'm also 6'3" I'm wondering what your opinion was concerning your legspace on the ST. I've never ridden one, but sat on plenty and I can imagine myself constantly hitting the fairing with my knees during riding / braking. The PC is almost the only bike with fairing on which I have plenty of knee room. Even the BMW's are tight. ___ |_ mile |\ |ossin |__urope | \|etherlands --------------------------------------------------- *Site: http://fly.to/emile *Bike: '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" *Webphone: +31 (023) 5392323 ( http://www.mediaring.com ) *ICQ: 17992318 ( http://www.icq.com ) *Email: Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kidbys@webtv.net (shelley kidby) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 07:03:49 -0700 (PDT) To: bjackman@united-funding.com (Bill Jackman) Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: mindless chatter, net abuse and "Net-i-quette' "wish there was someway to save on connect time.. " my webtv is unlimited access! downside is inability to edit (cut & paste) emails like y'all can w/computes also dont have to worry about virus infects !! Jerry Kidby 90PC 1Xpickemup (will get this beast's name to a proper plate eventually) 92Lazer vanity = BTTCHN -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kidbys@webtv.net (shelley kidby) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 07:06:10 -0700 (PDT) To: sdelorey@mo.net (Steve DeLorey) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 Mailing List) Subject: Re: PC800: Coolant Leak 09:36:09 -0600 look for your overflow tube - bet it is wet Jerry Kidby 90PC 1XPKMUP -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: SPREADTHEM@aol.com for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 10:40:47 -0500 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 10:40:47 EDT Subject: PC800: 1990 PC800 Less than $3000.00 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu A 1990 PC800 for less $3000. Don't take my word for it here is the listing number, Ebay item number 84968240. The description is below and it sounds nice someone is going to luck up and be a very happy owner! Or click on the attached link. eBay item 84068240 (Ends 04/04/99 16:31:21 PDT) - 1990 Honda Pacific Coast 800c It is Glory Red in color has Tenzo driving lights, trunk lights, nose mask, Jensen amp, Hondaline, AMFM stereo with handlebar controls, Alpine 6 disc CD changer with wired and wireless remote, dealer maintained with all service records for the last two years, front and back tire one year old, battery one year old, less than 25,000 miles. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: SPREADTHEM@aol.com for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 12:02:04 -0500 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 12:02:04 EDT Subject: Fwd: PC800: 1990 PC800 Less than $3000.00 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Lister check this out..... eBay item 84068240 (Ends 04/04/99 16:31:21 PDT) - 1990 Honda Pacific Coast 800c air-yb04.mail.aol.com (v59.4) with SMTP; Sun, 04 Apr 1999 10:30:49 -0500 by rly-yb03.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id KAA02498; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 10:40:20 -0400 (EDT) sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA27011 for ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: SPREADTHEM@aol.com for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 10:40:47 -0500 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 10:40:47 EDT Subject: PC800: 1990 PC800 Less than $3000.00 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu A 1990 PC800 for less $3000. Don't take my word for it here is the listing number, Ebay item number 84968240. The description is below and it sounds nice someone is going to luck up and be a very happy owner! Or click on the attached link. eBay item 84068240 (Ends 04/04/99 16:31:21 PDT) - 1990 Honda Pacific Coast 800c It is Glory Red in color has Tenzo driving lights, trunk lights, nose mask, Jensen amp, Hondaline, AMFM stereo with handlebar controls, Alpine 6 disc CD changer with wired and wireless remote, dealer maintained with all service records for the last two years, front and back tire one year old, battery one year old, less than 25,000 miles. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: SPREADTHEM@aol.com for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 12:15:56 -0500 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 12:15:56 EDT Subject: Fwd: PC800: 1990 PC800 Less than $3000.00 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Guys check this out! air-yb04.mail.aol.com (v59.4) with SMTP; Sun, 04 Apr 1999 10:30:49 -0500 by rly-yb03.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id KAA02498; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 10:40:20 -0400 (EDT) sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA27011 for ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: SPREADTHEM@aol.com for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 10:40:47 -0500 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 10:40:47 EDT Subject: PC800: 1990 PC800 Less than $3000.00 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu A 1990 PC800 for less $3000. Don't take my word for it here is the listing number, Ebay item number 84968240. The description is below and it sounds nice someone is going to luck up and be a very happy owner! Or click on the attached link. eBay item 84068240 (Ends 04/04/99 16:31:21 PDT) - 1990 Honda Pacific Coast 800c It is Glory Red in color has Tenzo driving lights, trunk lights, nose mask, Jensen amp, Hondaline, AMFM stereo with handlebar controls, Alpine 6 disc CD changer with wired and wireless remote, dealer maintained with all service records for the last two years, front and back tire one year old, battery one year old, less than 25,000 miles. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 10:31:51 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: Jim Randall CC: "'PC800 List'" Subject: Re: PC800: PC vs ST (long but on topic at least) Jim Randall wrote: > The stock bars are more narrow and considerably lower (relative to seat height) and while they felt fine for the short time I was on board but I suspect they are a bit too "sporty" for long distance riding. I enjoyed your comparison but I thought you would be interested in knowing that a lot of the Iron Butt Rally riders ride ST1100's. 12,000 miles in 11 days. I would call that long distance riding. Only 1 PC has run the Iron Butt. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 IBA, 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 11:51:36 -0400 To: Steve Wilson , Jim Randall From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: PC vs ST (long but on topic at least) Cc: "'PC800 List'" >Jim Randall wrote: > >> The stock bars are more narrow and considerably lower (relative to seat >>height) and while they felt fine for the short time I was on board but I >>suspect they are a bit too "sporty" for long distance riding. > In response, Steve Wilson wrote: >I enjoyed your comparison but I thought you would be interested in knowing >that a lot of the Iron Butt Rally riders ride ST1100's. 12,000 miles in 11 >days. I would call that long distance riding. Only 1 PC has run the Iron >Butt. > Good point Steve. The ST1100 is a very popular bike for long distance events such as the Iron Butt. Keep in mind though that quite a few ST1100 riders have changed their stock bars for the Heli-bars, which are higher and more adjustable. Most of the ST's I have seen have these aftermarket bars on them. I was surprised when I first saw the ST100 with the stock bars. I never knew that the bars are covered nicely, similar to a PC800. Besides, at the speed some of these guys need to drive to complete the Iron Butt, I suspect that they have enough wind on their bodies to reduce their weight on the bars. fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 11:11:43 -0500 From: Steve Wilson CC: "'PC800 List'" Subject: Re: PC800: PC vs ST (long but on topic at least) Francois Saint Laurent wrote: > > Besides, at the speed some of these guys need to drive to complete the Iron > Butt, I suspect that they have enough wind on their bodies to reduce their > weight on the bars. > Speed is not a required part of the Iron Butt Rally. The Rally has been completed on a Zundapp 125 or maybe 175 cc two stroke. I can assure you that he didn't speed. Another rider completed the Iron Butt after crashing his big bike and buying a Honda 500cc. I think it was a Shadow. I believe the Rally has also been completed on a Honda Helix. Speed only makes up for a riders inability to read a map, plan a route and stay in the saddle long enough to ride the ride. Speed is only one tool of many that can be used but it is by far not the most important tool. The most important tools are the two tools on both ends of the trunk of the body. The head and butt. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 IBA, 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: SPREADTHEM@aol.com for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 13:08:09 -0500 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 13:08:09 EDT Subject: Fwd: PC800: 1990 PC800 Less than $3000.00 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Listers check this out! air-yb04.mail.aol.com (v59.4) with SMTP; Sun, 04 Apr 1999 10:30:49 -0500 by rly-yb03.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id KAA02498; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 10:40:20 -0400 (EDT) sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA27011 for ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: SPREADTHEM@aol.com for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 10:40:47 -0500 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 10:40:47 EDT Subject: PC800: 1990 PC800 Less than $3000.00 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu A 1990 PC800 for less $3000. Don't take my word for it here is the listing number, Ebay item number 84968240. The description is below and it sounds nice someone is going to luck up and be a very happy owner! Or click on the attached link. eBay item 84068240 (Ends 04/04/99 16:31:21 PDT) - 1990 Honda Pacific Coast 800c It is Glory Red in color has Tenzo driving lights, trunk lights, nose mask, Jensen amp, Hondaline, AMFM stereo with handlebar controls, Alpine 6 disc CD changer with wired and wireless remote, dealer maintained with all service records for the last two years, front and back tire one year old, battery one year old, less than 25,000 miles. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Elton Hammond" To: "Leland C. Sheppard" , "Steve DeLorey" Cc: "Pacific Coast Owners" Subject: Re: PC800: Coolant Leak Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 13:12:08 -0400 Steve; I had a similar leak on my new 97 PC800 last summer that turned out to be minor. It was just a loose hose clamp that can be accessed by removing the lower plastic cover in front of the engine as I recall. Elton Hammond 97 PC800 Ottawa, Canada -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Leland C. Sheppard To: Steve DeLorey Cc: Pacific Coast Owners Date: April 4, 1999 2:33 AM Subject: Re: PC800: Coolant Leak >Hi Steve, > >Steve DeLorey wrote: > >> For several months I have noticed an occasional spot of coolant on the >> garage floor after the bike has been "resting" for a week or so. It's on >> the left side about six inches forward of the water pump. I've pulled >> the side panels and checked the water pump and everything else that is >> visible at the lower level. The source seems to be higher up on the >> engine. Before I tear off all that plastic (and possibly the engine >> housing) I was wondering if any one else has experienced a coolant leak >> of this nature and where the source might be. It's a '90 model with >> 32,000 miles on it. > >I had a similiar problem and it turned out to be the seals in the water >pump. Had the pump replaced (about 71000 miles on the bike as I recall but >it had been leaking for some time). Turns out that Honda has a bulletin out >regarding use of antifreeze with silicone in it. It appears that the >silicone eats up the seals over time. They recommend switching to an >antifreeze with no silicone which I have since done. Honda came out with >their own antifreeze (no silicone) because of this problem. >I think my mechanic was using Prestone until that time. > >If yours is in front of the pump, could coolant from the pump be running >forward to that point? I don't remember where mine hit the floor in >relation to the pump, just that it was clearly coolant leaking and when my >mechanic checked, he concluded that it was coming from the pump. > >Incidentally, mine leaked a small spot almost on a daily basis; not a lot, >just a few drops. Enough for me to see it... > >Don't know if that will help or not but I hope so... > >-- >Leland >'94 Pacific Coast >"Black Beauty" >128,000 miles > > > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TYNDA@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 13:25:25 EDT Subject: PC800: The trip To: ebs@igubu.saix.net, ultspnch@yahoo.com CC: dbriggs@iafrica.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, maths@oe.net.au, wpost@hondutel.hn, annreid@juno.com, pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us, JERRY-FAR@worldnet.att.net, science@oe.net.au, dukesurf@emeraldnet.net, MPaulBassi@aol.com, servassouthernaf@hotmail.com, wilsnfam@cadvision.com, accredit@childfriendly.ab.ca, clef@powerup.com.au, technicalsorcery@mindspring.com, clarks@nam.lia.net, RCulmone@aol.com, denisdoo@netactive.co.za, billeaster@juno.com, Heather@altnews.com.au, superdags@hotmail.com, FRANCIE@prodigy.net, bsde1@oe.net.au, ultspnch@powerup.com.au, pipeston@telusplanet.net, RobHall@aol.com, shards@igrin.co.nz, rahardy@access1.net, sispas@lsil.com, LohanJ@ixchange.com, maurihi@mindspring.com, reyjo@hotmail.com, bkemp@powerup.com.au, acrs@gil.com.au, johnla@yahoo.com, langfordsj@dnr.qld.gov.au, bsde@uq.net.au, kilulu@lia.co.za We are linking also to his site to keep in contact with him while on his trip. Hopefully he can visit with us when in the US if we are not doing a foreign trip. Please tune into our site International Motorcycle Adventurers @ www.rio.com/~tynda and if you see any errors or have problems let us know as we are now up to 200 pages of motorcycle travel in foreign countries. The editor Tynda -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: SPREADTHEM@aol.com for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 16:50:56 -0500 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 16:50:56 EDT Subject: Fwd: PC800: 1990 PC800 Less than $3000.00 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Listers, Less than 3 hours left! PC800 1990 Possibly less than $3000 air-yb04.mail.aol.com (v59.4) with SMTP; Sun, 04 Apr 1999 10:30:49 -0500 by rly-yb03.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id KAA02498; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 10:40:20 -0400 (EDT) sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA27011 for ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: SPREADTHEM@aol.com for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 10:40:47 -0500 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 10:40:47 EDT Subject: PC800: 1990 PC800 Less than $3000.00 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu A 1990 PC800 for less $3000. Don't take my word for it here is the listing number, Ebay item number 84968240. The description is below and it sounds nice someone is going to luck up and be a very happy owner! Or click on the attached link. eBay item 84068240 (Ends 04/04/99 16:31:21 PDT) - 1990 Honda Pacific Coast 800c It is Glory Red in color has Tenzo driving lights, trunk lights, nose mask, Jensen amp, Hondaline, AMFM stereo with handlebar controls, Alpine 6 disc CD changer with wired and wireless remote, dealer maintained with all service records for the last two years, front and back tire one year old, battery one year old, less than 25,000 miles. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "The Broekings" To: , Subject: PC800: ... Less than $3000.00- Enough! Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 17:38:49 -0400 Importance: Normal enough; if people want to to EBAY they would have on your first post! Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of > SPREADTHEM@aol.com > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 1999 4:51 PM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Fwd: PC800: 1990 PC800 Less than $3000.00 > > > Listers, > Less than 3 hours left! > PC800 1990 Possibly less than $3000 > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 16:48:32 -0400 To: Steve Wilson From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: PC vs ST (long but on topic at least) Cc: "'PC800 List'" At 11:11 AM -0500 4/4/99, Steve Wilson wrote: > >Speed is not a required part of the Iron Butt Rally. I agree completely Steve. Many riders successfully complete the Iron Butt without speeding. Assuming all the logistics are properly prepared in advance, breaking the speed limit shouldn't be required. There will be times when unexpected traffic, construction, accidents, etc. will cause delays of some sort, and a greater speed will be the only solution to gaining back lost time. When I made the reference to 'speeding', I didn't mean 100mph blasts for hours on end. I was referring to the fact that to cover that many miles in so few days you are going to be travelling highway speeds most of the time. At highway speeds of 60-80 mph, and with the smallish stock screen, then the wind blast would help lessen the weight on your grips. ....but, I have spoken with 2 people who have ridden the Iron Butt, and they both admitted that they were speeding from time to time, since there goal wasn't just to finish, it was to finish first. Both of these riders have radar detectors on their bikes. ride safe....ride fast or ride slow, it doesn't matter.....just ride...... fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "The Broekings" To: "Francois Saint Laurent" , "Steve Wilson" Cc: "'PC800 List'" Subject: PC800: PC/St - Speed in Rallies Discussion Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 18:04:10 -0400 Importance: Normal I agree. "high" or "moderately consistent" average speeds are required to do well in most rallies. I am not saying speeding is needed, but due to various delays as mentioned below, you may have to elevate your speed to keep your average (read time) up. I also concur with Steve that brains, map reading skills, and inane ability to find places is key also. I am entering my first rally in 2 months and I am concerned about just finishing as I have NO penchant at my skill level for speeding to make time. But I will strive for consistency, hoping to place higher than a DNF. If you are always on interstate roads it is easy to maintain a higher AVG. SPEED, but when you have to detour on secondary and smaller roads, either your AVG. SPEED will drop off or you will pick up the pace. When I did my 1000 mile ride last month I was able to maintain a decent avg. speed, but that meant keeping my mistakes low and keeping my focus at stops. Here was the data: 1998 Pacific Coast 1009 miles (odometer) 1019 miles (GPS) 17 hours, 8mins Overall avg. speed (including stops): 59.4 mph (+3 mph from first leg) Rolling avg. speed: 67.8 mph (+1.8 mph from first leg) Max speed: xxx mph Average mpg: 44.83 mpg (-4 mpg from first leg) In a rally, I suspect I will find it completely more difficult then going 1000 miles, but it may be 200% more fun. I'll let you know the day after the rally! ;-) I am entered as rider #16 in the Cap 1000 http://www.cap1000.org/ I am hoping its 200% more fun ! Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of > Francois Saint Laurent >> At 11:11 AM -0500 4/4/99, Steve Wilson wrote: > > > >Speed is not a required part of the Iron Butt Rally. > > > I agree completely Steve. Many riders successfully complete the Iron Butt > without speeding. Assuming all the logistics are properly prepared in > advance, breaking the speed limit shouldn't be required. There will be > times when unexpected traffic, construction, accidents, etc. will cause > delays of some sort, and a greater speed will be the only solution to > gaining back lost time. > > When I made the reference to 'speeding', I didn't mean 100mph blasts for > hours on end. I was referring to the fact that to cover that many miles in > so few days you are going to be travelling highway speeds most of > the time. > At highway speeds of 60-80 mph, and with the smallish stock screen, then > the wind blast would help lessen the weight on your grips. > > ....but, I have spoken with 2 people who have ridden the Iron Butt, and > they both admitted that they were speeding from time to time, since there > goal wasn't just to finish, it was to finish first. Both of these riders > have radar detectors on their bikes. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (SMTPD32-5.01) id ADE733028E; Mon, 05 Apr 1999 16:40:55 CSTCDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Eric" To: Subject: PC800: newbie PC800 questions & WTB Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 16:41:28 -0500 Hi- With reasonable maintenance, how many miles can you expect to get from a PC800 before you start replacing parts? (the mileage I've seen on PC800's for sale is scary for a guy who's only owned air cooled scooters in the past). Also, I'm looking to buy a PC800. If you're selling one, please email me at erichag@ecol.net. Thank you- Eric Haglund -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 17:59:13 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: newbie PC800 questions & WTB To: erichag@ecol.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) I think we will all let Leland (lcshepp@directcon.net) field this question. With 128,000 miles on his '94 he is about the most qualified one here. Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" erichag@ecol.net writes: >Hi- > >With reasonable maintenance, how many miles can you expect to get >from a >PC800 before you start replacing parts? (the mileage I've seen on >PC800's >for sale is scary for a guy who's only owned air cooled scooters >in the >past). > >Also, I'm looking to buy a PC800. If you're selling one, please >email me at >erichag@ecol.net. > >Thank you- >Eric Haglund -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 17:11:52 -0500 From: David Drake To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Greetings from members.tripod.com/~pc800 Dear PC owners, I am the proud owner of a white '89 PC 800. I've outfitted it with heated grips and it came with a HondaLine radio. The radio has its controls on the left handlebar. I'd like to put a cruise control on it - the model from Australia, possibly, that sells for about $370.00. I had wanted to just put a Throttlemeister on, but my mechanic and the folks who make it say it won't work with heated grips. Sooo...... I have these questions for the more mechanically inclinded (I'm not!): Is there any problem installing a cruise control with the radio and heated grips? Do any of you have the cruise control on your bikes?? thanks. David Drake Des Moines, IA ddrake@uomhs.edu -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 17:46:28 -0500 From: Ralph Couey To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" , Ralph Couey Subject: PC800: Perfect PC-so far boundary="------------E80A3128850A97E9F19F5728" --------------E80A3128850A97E9F19F5728 Hi gang! I've gotten a lot of inputs from a lot of people on this thread and it's been a lot of fun. I'm attaching a file with the "so far" edition of the suggestions. It's not Happy in 99 nor was it written by Melissa! 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To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Perfect PC-so far Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 01:38:08 +0200 >3. Self-adjusting valves. I thought the PC allready had these ? >4. Gear indicator lights. I usually keep the gear down. There are too many camera's along the freeway here to reach rotating speed anyway. The rest of the list looks like a Goldwing equipment list to me. Bigger tank, lighted clock and perhaps a turbo option is sufficient for me. I love the 'clunk' and 'clack' BTW. Since the first time I heard a BMW clack in the same way I always wanted a bike with such a cool shift sound, really. ___ |_ mile |\ |ossin |__urope | \|etherlands --------------------------------------------------- *Site: http://fly.to/emile *Bike: '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" *Webphone: +31 (023) 5392323 ( http://www.mediaring.com ) *ICQ: 17992318 ( http://www.icq.com ) *Email: Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2.1b3); Mon, 5 Apr 1999 19:32:13 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Perfect PC-so far Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:32:15 -0400 From: To: "Pacific Coast List" Even though I wrote it, Ralph, I'm probably wrong about the front rotor covers. I like them better that way, but I'd bet that a revamped PC, a fully capable mid-size sport tourer, would probably sell better without them. Also, isn't there a contradiction in the engine requests? If the PC has hydraulic lifters, doesn't that mean that the valves are "self-adjusting"? With a 6th gear above the current 5th, I don't think it needs to be higher, still. What might be appropriate, with more available torque and horsepower, is to increase the gear spacing, resulting in a higher 5th, no need for a sixth, and less in-town shifting. Otherwise, great work. Should we be putting some emphasis on the mid-size sport-tourer notion, or would that scare Honda into thinking it would cut into the ST1100's market? For what it's worth, I can assure them it would make no difference for me. The ST1100 is simply too big and too expensive to entice me. But, produce the bike we're talking about, and I'd line up to trade in my PC, as long as the price point was < $8000. Above that I'd have to think about it. -- Jim Hart "He who gives up liberty for security ends up with neither." - Benjamin Franklin -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 20:47:42 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Greetings from members.tripod.com/~pc800 To: ddrake@UOMHS.EDU Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) David, Welcome to the group. If you can't find an answer here to any Honda Pacific Coast questions you have, the answers don't exist:-) I can answer the question about the electronic cruise control from Australia. I have it on my '98 and it's great. I bought it in the Fall of last year and just had my first real opportunity to put it to the test two weekends ago on a 993 mile trip into West Virginia and back home through Ohio and PA. I performed flawlessly! It keeps the speed right on the mark and engages as soon as you push the set button. Works just like the one in my car. It is very easy to install. The instructions are great and are illustrated with photographs. I had them send my a copy of the installation manual before I bought the cruise so I could see what was involved in the process. I still have the PDF file they sent me if you want me to forward it to you. It's a 440K file and you need the free Adobe Acrobat Reader for whatever computer you are using. Let me know if I can be of any assistance with your decision, or you installation. Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" ddrake@UOMHS.EDU writes: >Dear PC owners, > >I am the proud owner of a white '89 PC 800. I've outfitted it with >heated grips and it came with a HondaLine radio. The radio has its >controls on the left handlebar. > >I'd like to put a cruise control on it - the model from Australia, >possibly, that sells for about $370.00. I had wanted to just put a >Throttlemeister on, but my mechanic and the folks who make it say >it >won't work with heated grips. > >Sooo...... > >I have these questions for the more mechanically inclinded (I'm >not!): > >Is there any problem installing a cruise control with the radio and >heated grips? > >Do any of you have the cruise control on your bikes?? > >thanks. > >David Drake >Des Moines, IA >ddrake@uomhs.edu -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RickCorwn@aol.com for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:53:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:53:55 EDT Subject: PC800: Heated Grips To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Fellow Listers, I'm looking, with little sucsess, for heated grips. Those of you who have these hand warmers please let me know all about them. Including where you purchased them and aprox. what you paid. Thanks for your help. A slowly thawing Minnesotin. Ride swift, ride safe Rick Corwine -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: FW: PC800: Coolant Leak Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 21:06:45 -0400 Leland, that would be silicates not silcone. Silicates (sort of like = very fine sand) are used in automotive antifreeze to "scour" the cooling = system and probably abrade the seals in motorcycle water pumps. Both = Prestone and Zerex now sell extended life antifreeze with no silicates = for lot less than the Honda product.=20 Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net http://home.naxs.com/jrandall/ -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Leland C. Sheppard [SMTP:lcshepp@directcon.net] Sent: Saturday, April 03, 1999 10:10 PM To: Steve DeLorey Cc: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Coolant Leak Hi Steve, Steve DeLorey wrote: > For several months I have noticed an occasional spot of coolant on the > garage floor after the bike has been "resting" for a week or so. It's = on > the left side about six inches forward of the water pump. I've pulled > the side panels and checked the water pump and everything else that is > visible at the lower level. The source seems to be higher up on the > engine. Before I tear off all that plastic (and possibly the engine > housing) I was wondering if any one else has experienced a coolant = leak > of this nature and where the source might be. It's a '90 model with > 32,000 miles on it. I had a similiar problem and it turned out to be the seals in the water pump. Had the pump replaced (about 71000 miles on the bike as I recall = but it had been leaking for some time). Turns out that Honda has a bulletin = out regarding use of antifreeze with silicone in it. It appears that the silicone eats up the seals over time. They recommend switching to an antifreeze with no silicone which I have since done. Honda came out = with their own antifreeze (no silicone) because of this problem. I think my mechanic was using Prestone until that time. If yours is in front of the pump, could coolant from the pump be = running forward to that point? I don't remember where mine hit the floor in relation to the pump, just that it was clearly coolant leaking and when = my mechanic checked, he concluded that it was coming from the pump. Incidentally, mine leaked a small spot almost on a daily basis; not a = lot, just a few drops. Enough for me to see it... Don't know if that will help or not but I hope so... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 128,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: RE: PC800: PC vs ST (long but on topic at least) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 21:09:23 -0400 Hi Emile, I think it would depend a lot on how much of your height is in = your legs (thighs). I have a 33" inseam and my knees didn't touch the = faring on the ST. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net http://home.naxs.com/jrandall/ -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Emile Nossin [SMTP:Emile@Cybercomm.nl] Sent: Sunday, April 04, 1999 9:34 AM To: PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: PC vs ST (long but on topic at least) >>>> The ST sits at least an inch (maybe more) taller than the PC. Not a = problem for me - in fact I find the PC a bit cramped for my legs (I'm 6'3" and 200lbs). >>>> Jim (R), since I'm also 6'3" I'm wondering what your opinion was = concerning your legspace on the ST. I've never ridden one, but sat on plenty and I = can imagine myself constantly hitting the fairing with my knees during = riding / braking. The PC is almost the only bike with fairing on which I have plenty of = knee room. Even the BMW's are tight. ___ |_ mile |\ |ossin |__urope | \|etherlands --------------------------------------------------- *Site: http://fly.to/emile *Bike: '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" *Webphone: +31 (023) 5392323 ( http://www.mediaring.com ) *ICQ: 17992318 ( http://www.icq.com ) *Email: Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'Merlin Porter-Borden'" Cc: "'PC800 List'" Subject: PC800: RE: Appreciation & Handling Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 21:12:44 -0400 I haven't spent much time above 80 on the PC and I haven't experienced = the problem you describe. However, I am forwarding your post to the = PC800 list server - perhaps someone there has some high speed = experience. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net http://home.naxs.com/jrandall/ -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Merlin Porter-Borden [SMTP:merlpb@erols.com] Sent: Sunday, April 04, 1999 11:23 AM To: jrandall@tricon.net Subject: Appreciation & Handling Jim, I appreciated reading your piece on the PC. I, too, have a 95, and = my experience mirrors yours (10K miles). =20 But yesterday, I experienced an event of note: At 100mph on a = gently sweeping turn (easily run at 150, not a PC!), my PC did a violent = high speed wobble. The front tire pressure was 32 psi, the recommended = pressure. I normally ride at 35psi (the rear was at 35), and I am = surprised if 3 psi differential would make the difference. Comments? Merlin from Maryland << File: ATT00000.html >> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 21:37:11 -0400 To: RickCorwn@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Heated Grips At 8:53 PM -0400 4/5/99, RickCorwn@aol.com wrote: >Fellow Listers, >I'm looking, with little sucsess, for heated grips. I have the Kimpex heated elements, instead of actual heated grips. I didn't like the look or feel of the heated grips, and they weren't cheap. It didn't make sense to me to pay that kind of money (about $75-$100) for some grips that were not as comfortable as the $12 Galindo Gel grips. I paid $25CDN, which is about $17US these days. You remove the stock grips, peel the adhesive backing off of this mylar sheet, and then adhere it around the bar. The mylar sheet has an element running through it, similar to the rear window defroster of most cars. Then, I re-installed my stock grips. They work very well, come with a three position switch (HI-OFF-LOW) and most of the required wire. I didn't like the ugly chrome toggle switch, so I went to a Marine supply store and purchased an illuminated plastic toggle switch instead. The brand is Kimpex. I believe that they are marketed as a snowmobile accessory. They were favourably reviewed in the January 1998 Motorcycle Consumer News. If your local snowmobile accessory place doesn't carry them, call Kimpex USA at 320-286-5211. They are located in Cokato, MN and can probably tell you who carries them in your area. Good luck... fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bill Jackman" To: "Emile Nossin" , "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Perfect PC-so far Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:04:28 -0600 I love the 'clunk' and 'clack' BTW. Since the >first time I heard a BMW clack in the same way I always wanted >a bike with such a cool shift sound, really. Yes Bill Jackman 89~25k -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: DavidAklein@webtv.net (David Klein) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 21:26:29 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: First Ride Hello List, I took my PC out today for the first time since putting it in storage last November. While taking the cover off the PC, I felt like I was unwrapping a Christmas present. My PC still shines like new, it was so good to see it again! It was even better to take it out for a ride. I guess you can say I resurrected my PC after resurrection day.:-) I also baptised my new Aerostich one piece Roadcrafter suit. I ordered it black with red shoulder, elbow, and knee patches. It's complete with hardshell armor & hip/back pads. It fits great, I really like it. My thanks to those of you on the PC800 list who turned me on to the Aerostich. I had never seen or heard of one 'til listers talked about it. Dave Klein <*}}}>< DavidAklein@WebTV.Net Fort Wayne,IN All American City 1999 97 PC800 8500mi. gwrra #607106 http://members.tripod.com/~pc800/ If you like cats, Visit: http://members.xoom.com/ccffellows/ Send Prayer Requests via E-mail; go to: http://www.The700Club.org/Prayer/index.asp?url=/Counseling -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 21:33:15 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: PC800 Rider CC: erichag@ecol.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: newbie PC800 questions & WTB PC800 Rider wrote: > I think we will all let Leland (lcshepp@directcon.net) field this > question. With 128,000 miles on his '94 he is about the most > qualified one here. > There is another guy in Houston, I think, with over 190,000! I just can't remember his name. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 IBA, 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-57782U7000L700S0V35) with ESMTP id net for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 21:42:20 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 21:43:00 -0500 From: jgeistlubtx@door.net (geist, james) To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: My new ride. Hi Listers. I've been lurking for a while. Thought ya'll might like to see my new bike. My PC is still for sale at Honda of Lubbock. It's kinda weird seeing her on the show room floor. You can see my Valkeryie at: http://members.tripod.com/~PCrider/index-2.html See ya'll. James -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: PC800: Yes - warm weather at last! Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:10:10 -0400 Spring has sprung! With temps in high 70's / low 80's I treated myself = to a long weekend and accumulated a few miles with friends and family. = Not a bad weekend considering I didn't really "go" anywhere Friday - impromtu HSTA ride (eastern TN and western NC): 290 miles Saturday - rode with spouse in AM (eastern TN and southwest VA), = daughter in PM (eastern TN): 220 miles Sunday - rode with son in AM (eastern TN); alone in PM (eastern TN, = southwestern VA): 405 miles Monday - rode with son (eastern TN): 200 miles Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net http://home.naxs.com/jrandall/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Joan Penick" To: "Eric" , Subject: Re: PC800: newbie PC800 questions & WTB Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:19:13 -0500 I've put 54,000 miles on my PC800 and the only parts replaced were the stator at 4,000 miles, and a fork seal at 45,000 miles caused from riding on the Alaska Highway. It is not unusual to see PCs with well over 100,000 miles on it. You will probably also hear from Leland Sheppard who has about 128,000 on his, or Roger and Carol Prince who has put over 100,000 two up on a couple of PCs. Joannie 89 PC800 54,000 miles 95 ST1100 30,000 miles Eric asked: ---------- > From: Eric > > Subject: PC800: newbie PC800 questions & WTB > > With reasonable maintenance, how many miles can you expect to get from a > PC800 before you start replacing parts? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 00:34:41 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: Nolan N100 helmets I can get Nolan N-100 helmets for you guys on the list in any size including the XXL's that I understand are hard to find. Flat black, wineberry, red, silver and white are available with the Red at a lower price than the rest. They were ordered thinking they were Honda red like the 96,7, and 8's. The color is more the color of the '90 PC, more of a ruby red. The '90 color may be the wineberry, I'm not sure. If anyone is interested reply back to me off list and I will give you prices and such. I happened across a deal and thought you guys might be interested. For anyone not familiar with the N-100, they are a full coverage helmet that the chinbar and face shield both open up for face stuffing on the go or smoking breaks on the go. They are DOT rated but not SNELL, but then again neither is the high dollar Syncrotec. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 IBA, 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 00:39:49 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Eric CC: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: newbie PC800 questions & WTB Hi Eric, Eric wrote: > With reasonable maintenance, how many miles can you expect to get from a > PC800 before you start replacing parts? (the mileage I've seen on PC800's > for sale is scary for a guy who's only owned air cooled scooters in the > past). If the PC is well maintained (I am religious about following Honda recommendations in the manual for the PC) and not driven too hard, you can get a lot of miles on them without much in the way of repairs. In my 128000+ miles I have repaired the following: Water pump (at 71000), speedometer cable, trunk release cable, shift lever (twice - I've been too heavy footed in the past), sparkplug cables. In addition to regular maintenance, I have replaced the battery and, at 124000 miles, the front fork seals and bushings. I have also used up seven sets of tires; I'm currently on my eighth set; I'm getting 18-22 thousand miles per set of tires (my 95 mile daily commute is mostly freeway which is one of the reasons I get so many miles on them). Oh, and in order to do something under the original warranty, I replaced the nylon posts and sockets that hold the left fairing vent cover in place; it always came loose a little bit - that was my only warranty claim (3 years, unlimited miles). That's it. The bike has been incredibly reliable. Dave Little of Houston (also on this list) has over 190,000 miles on his '94 with little or no repairs, I believe. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 128,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 00:41:58 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: PC800 Rider CC: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: newbie PC800 questions & WTB Hi Tim, PC800 Rider wrote: > I think we will all let Leland (lcshepp@directcon.net) field this > question. With 128,000 miles on his '94 he is about the most > qualified one here. Except for Roger Prince and Dave Little who both have more miles than I on PC(s). -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 128,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 00:53:55 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Emile Nossin CC: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Perfect PC-so far Hi Emile, Emile Nossin wrote: > >3. Self-adjusting valves. > > I thought the PC allready had these ? > It does... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 128,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 11:21:11 -0400 From: cen13504 To: Jim Randall , pc list Subject: PC800: Re: ride tomorrow Jim and list members, I got to ride my PC to both jobs yesterday. The 30 mile ride home from Morristown, East TN, at 9:30 was great. The weather was perfect for a late night ride. I had forgotten how it seems to take more attention and energy to ride at night. I still enjoyed the ride and I really sleep well last night. I am ready to replace the original front tire. At 16000 mile the humps and bumps are quite obvious. The wheel roar still causes some concern. Why does it roar only in left turns? I also experience considerable head shake descending from 40 mph. I hope the new tire will reduce the shake as well. I am ready for a throttle lock. Where is the cheapest place to order a throttle lock? Apparently there are two types available, which one is considered the best for the PC. Nothing fancy needed, I tend to be a minimalist. Does upgrading the original speakers make a noticeable difference? Ride, Ride, Ride -- Kenneth Winter East TN Walters State Community College 423-626-5063 95 Isuzu Trooper 90 Honda PC "Second Chance" 87 Toyota Mini RV 84 SP 200, street/trail -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com via smtpd (for Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) with SMTP; 6 Apr 1999 15:36:12 UT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:17:45 -0500 Subject: Re: PC800: Perfect PC-so far Boundary="0__=gwCLNSPPJ08YRZVaW6dKAyrfEOK9QBCEr9V8CzXVDnDnDBmQQvaQ5T5O" --0__=gwCLNSPPJ08YRZVaW6dKAyrfEOK9QBCEr9V8CzXVDnDnDBmQQvaQ5T5O For those of you that can not read the attached letter from Ralph for lack of proper software or for those who can not download attachments, or will not download attachments here is the letter. Later Roger R Chaska, MN **** Mr. Ralph F. Couey On Behalf of : Global Pacific Coast Riders 1771 West Way Columbia, MO 65203-9455 Mr. John Petas, Senior Vice President Motorcycle Division American Honda Motor Company 1919 Torrance Blvd. Torrance, CA 90501 Dear Mr. Petas: I am writing on behalf of a cadre of Pacific Coast motorcycle owners. We were naturally disappointed in Honda --0__=gwCLNSPPJ08YRZVaW6dKAyrfEOK9QBCEr9V8CzXVDnDnDBmQQvaQ5T5O ?s decision to drop the PC from the motorcycle lineup for ?99. We understand in the business of selling bi= kes sales figures are everything. However, we feel that the PC is one of t= he better bikes on the road for a variety of reasons and we would like to = see it returned to your sales floors. There were some complaints about the PC concerning power, range and som= e visual characteristics that some found.....unusual. We have expended s= ome internet bandwidth in order to come up with some suggestions for improv= ing the basic design without altering the big things that make the PC desirable. We hope you will peruse these suggestions and carefully consider them. We feel that changing some of the shortcomings listed b= elow would make the PC highly attractive to buyers who like the looks of a swoopy sport-tourer, but are unwilling (or unable) to part with the buc= ks for the BMW R1100RT. Engine: 1. Increase displacement to 900cc or find a way to generate more horsepower. When riding two up with gear in the trunk (normal touring conditions) the bike?s response is annoyingly, and in traffic, dangerou= sly sluggish. 2. Fuel injection. Carbs are too difficult to maintain in a bike with= a sealed body. 3. Self-adjusting valves. Again, most of us don?t do our own maintena= nce and a sizeable amount of labor cost can be spent removing and replacing= panels. 4. Extend the oil filler port another inch or so so that one can pour = oil directly from a standard plastic bottle instead of some esoteric funnel= arrangement. 5. An option for the 2-into-2 Shadow exhaust system for those who want= a more authoritative engine note. 6. A larger, more beefed-up stator, perhaps a 700w. 7. Strengthen the radiator hose connections. 8. Keep the following items as is: - Quiet, reliable, smooth V-twin engine - Sleek, attractive closed-in look - Shaft drive - Liquid cooling - Hydraulic valve lifters - Low maintenance Transmission: 1. Add a 6th gear. Also perhaps make the gearing a little taller. 2. Try to fix that annoying ?clunk?. Fuel system: 1. At least a 6 gallon internal tank. You cannot do any meaningful tr= ips having to stop every hundred miles or so to fill up. The PC is a very comfortable bike for long-range rides and that characteristic should be= more useful. 2. A low-fuel light on the fuel gauge indicating a half to three quart= ers of a gallon remaining (20 to 30 miles under most conditions). Ergonomics: 1. A lighted clock. Please. 2. Place adjustable wings on the engine vents to direct engine heat on= to the rider in winter and away from the rider in summer. 3. Taller standard windshield. Or make the standard shield adjustable.= Ever take a June bug in the forehead at 70 mph? Also reduces the wind noise considerably. 4. Gear indicator lights. The engine is so quiet that the only way yo= u can tell when the engine is laboring is to take your eyes off the road = and onto the tach. 5. Optional fairing-mounted stereo system. It?s a space hog in the tr= unk. 6. Make the suspension more adjustable so we can choose between a plu= sh ride and "sport" handling. The addition of the ?Works? shocks and fork= springs really help take the pogo out of hard cornering and helps to alleviate that annoying head shake. Something like that should be stan= dard for a sport tourer. 7. Cruise control option. 8. Optional highway Pegs for forward leg extension. 9. More comfortable seat for the passenger with a higher backrest. 10. Adjustable-height seat. Take a look at the BMW R1100RT. Storage: 1. A useable tail section. It?s a disgrace to have that much wasted storage space on a motorcycle. 2. A removable top box. 3. Keep the top-access to the trunk. Much easier to work with than si= de bags. 4. Tweak the design of the rear end to make it appear less scooter-lik= e, while keeping that big, safe tail light. 5. Some additional color choices. Safety: 1. Tail light on top of the trunk/top box. In traffic, the cages (car= s, trucks) behind you need to see this. 2. An optional pair of driving lights. At night in deer country these= will save your life. 3. A standard 80/100 bulb for the headlamp with beefed-up connectors a= nd hardware to handle the extra heat. See deer country comment above. 4. No air bags. Please. 5. Air horns, or a much louder car-style horn. With the windows up, t= he stereo cranked and the A/C running, drivers won?t hear anything less. 6. One or two reflective lens panels on the side of the bike. Might h= elp prevent a t-bone and parking lot accidents. 7. Optional ABS II. Other: 1. More mainstream tire sizes. Makes more brand choices available and= not as expensive at replacement time. 2. Keep the front rotor covers. They helped make the bike distinctive= . We feel making these changes would help the marketability of the PC immensely and would improve Honda?s reputation by not abandoning a grea= t design. Thank you for your time in reading this letter. And thanks to Honda fo= r designing and building the most exciting and reliable motorcycles on th= e market. Sincerely, Ralph Couey And PC owners everywhere = --0__=gwCLNSPPJ08YRZVaW6dKAyrfEOK9QBCEr9V8CzXVDnDnDBmQQvaQ5T5O-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Reinhardt, Bob" To: "'PC800'" Subject: FW: PC800: Electrical Problems Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:37:48 -0400 Good News Everyone! My bike is back on the street and running great! Thank you to everyone for all their suggestions and recommendations! (see original email below) The problem was finally tracked down to a defective positive-side battery cable. When I removed the positive-side cable it was rather "floppy" on one end, almost like it was broken. (Hmmm..) Anyway, I replaced the cable and my problem disappeared! :-) Thanks again!! Bob Reinhardt 1995 Pacific Coast (14K) 1986 Interceptor 500 (6K) -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Reinhardt, Bob [mailto:REINHARB@ASAMRA.HOFFMAN.ARMY.MIL] Sent: Monday, March 29, 1999 11:42 AM To: 'PC800' Subject: PC800: Electrical Problems Please Help! My '95 PC is "dead" as the result of an apparent electrical problem. Initially, when you turn the key on...absolutely NOTHING! I've removed all the plastic, checked all the fuses, and visually checked out the wiring. Everything looks OK. Next, I checked out the battery and connections. Everything looked good, but I pulled the battery out anyway and hooked it up on the Battery Tender. When connected it stayed on the charge mode for only 1 or 2 minutes before going to storage mode. Re-connected the battery and this time all the instrument lights came on. (Hmmm...) When I engage the starter, the motor turns over (slowly) once or twice, then a lot of clicking comes from the relay that is connected to the positive side of the battery. Repeat this a few times and the battery is exhausted. I then tried to jump start it (via jumper cables) with a spare (motorcycle) battery I have and got the same results again. Note: after doing this with both batteries it took over an hour on the Battery Tender for them to recover and the jumper cables were *very* warm. On a couple of rides prior to this incident, the bike has died on me (usually at traffic lights). If I'm on the highway, everything is ok, but if I got into a lot of stop/go traffic that's when it would happen. Symptoms would be the neutral light starting to quiver and the tachometer needle would start to bounce all over the place. Then it would just die. Sometimes it would immediately re-start, while other times if I let it set for 5 -10 minutes it would finally start. The bike was in the shop for other maintenance recently and I told them of this problem, but they could find nothing wrong. Does anybody have any thoughts??? I don't believe it's a battery problem. Maybe the relay that connects to the battery's positive side? Alternator? The "stator" everyone talks about?? If I re-connect the battery and all the lights come on, can I push-start it (downhill of course :-) !!) ?? Would it be safe to ride to the shop? I would *greatly* appreciate any help/thoughts/ideas anyone might have. I'm not against putting it in the shop, except I have no way to get it there without riding it there. :-( Thanks, Bob Reinhardt 1995 Pacific Coast (14K) 1986 Interceptor (6K) -- Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu . To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu . -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 12:41:24 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Bill & Cheryl Subject: PC800: 89 PC800 For Sale 1989 PC800 - 21,000 miles, very good condition. Stator replaced; new tires and battery in 98; foam grips; Hondaline tall windshield; passenger backrest. $3300.00 Unfortunately, my new job and our move in the next two months is forcing me to sell. I'll be out of town for the next two weeks. However, if you have any questions, my wife Cheryl will be monitoring our email, will relay any questions and get back to you. Thanks, Bill Johnson '89 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:25:05 -0700 (PDT) From: John La Subject: PC800: Beware- Vendor alert To: scpcrc List , pclist Cc: maw@iex.net Hi all- Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse charges 15% restocking fee if you return something to them. Even if unopened and unused. I support their right to charge a restock fee, but not to hide the information until you return the goods. This information is not revealed on their online order form or when you order over the phone. Also when I called to inquire about return procedures, it was still not revealed. The restock penalty information is on their webpage, if you look for it. Now you don't have to. By the way, I've compiled a list of Motorcycle Accessory vendors here: http://john.lafreniere.com/mclinks.htm My Favorite Online Vendor: Dennis Kirk matches prices on many items, and -get this- does NOT CHARGE FOR SHIPPING! What you are quoted is what you pay. No restock penalty within 30 days. I am not involved with Dennis Kirk company in any way except as a satisfied customer. Happy Shopping! Feel free to forward this to other motorcycle related groups and individuals. John _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 13:34:20 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Beware- Vendor alert To: johnla@yahoo.com Cc: scpcrc@listbot.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, maw@iex.net From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) John, Thanks for the heads up on this one. Either this is new with MAW or they missed it on my order last year. I bought a TourMaster Cortex jacket from them last year off their showroom floor while I was at the Honda Homecoming and returned it within 30 days for a full refund. There was no restocking fee on my credit slip. Another place to watch out for is Motorcycle Accessory Depot ( http://www.motodepot.com/). This is the policy from their web site - "If you want to return an item and not reorder there is a 15% restocking fee not to exceed $25.00." Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" johnla@yahoo.com writes: >Hi all- > >Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse charges 15% restocking >fee if you return something to them. Even if unopened >and unused. I support their right to charge a restock >fee, but not to hide the information until you return >the goods. > >This information is not revealed on their online order >form or when you order over the phone. Also when I >called to inquire about return procedures, it was >still not revealed. The restock penalty information >is on their webpage, if you look for it. Now you >don't have to. > >By the way, I've compiled a list of Motorcycle >Accessory vendors here: > >http://john.lafreniere.com/mclinks.htm > >My Favorite Online Vendor: Dennis Kirk matches prices >on many items, and -get this- does NOT CHARGE FOR >SHIPPING! What you are quoted is what you pay. No >restock penalty within 30 days. I am not involved >with Dennis Kirk company in any way except as a >satisfied customer. > >Happy Shopping! Feel free to forward this to other >motorcycle related groups and individuals. > >John -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 14:00:02 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Bill & Cheryl Subject: PC800: 89 PC800 For Sale additional info... As someone pointed out to us, the location of the PC800 wasn't listed. It's in West Palm Beach, Florida. Thanks! Cheryl for Bill Johnson '89 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Subject: Re: PC800: Beware- Vendor alert Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:03:10 +0100 Is this kind of thing legal in the US?! Here in the UK there is the Mail Order Protection Act which give the consumer the right to return anything purchased through mail order and get a get a full refund back. Some companies still try to charge the 'restocking fee' but if the customer do not agree they pay up. Job Sussex Coast ---------- > From: John La > To: scpcrc List ; pclist > Cc: maw@iex.net > Subject: PC800: Beware- Vendor alert > Date: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 6:25 PM > > Hi all- > > Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse charges 15% restocking > fee if you return something to them. Even if unopened > and unused. I support their right to charge a restock > fee, but not to hide the information until you return > the goods. > > This information is not revealed on their online order > form or when you order over the phone. Also when I > called to inquire about return procedures, it was > still not revealed. The restock penalty information > is on their webpage, if you look for it. Now you > don't have to. > > By the way, I've compiled a list of Motorcycle > Accessory vendors here: > > http://john.lafreniere.com/mclinks.htm > > My Favorite Online Vendor: Dennis Kirk matches prices > on many items, and -get this- does NOT CHARGE FOR > SHIPPING! What you are quoted is what you pay. No > restock penalty within 30 days. I am not involved > with Dennis Kirk company in any way except as a > satisfied customer. > > Happy Shopping! Feel free to forward this to other > motorcycle related groups and individuals. > > John > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Re: ride tomorrow Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 21:52:57 +0200 >I am ready to replace the original front tire. At 16000 mile the humps >and bumps are quite obvious. The wheel roar still causes some >concern. Why does it roar only in left turns? I've heard about the roar more often on the list. I havn't had any roar on my Dunlop nor on my Metz. >I also experience considerable head shake descending from 40 mph. >I hope the new tire will reduce the shake as well. My new frontire has solved the headshake. In fact the wasn't there at the end of it's life either. I guess the freeway riding made it square enough... >I am ready for a throttle lock. Where is the cheapest place to order a >throttle lock? Apparently there are two types available, which one is considered the >best for the PC. Nothing fancy needed, I tend to be a minimalist. Two choices are available, one the throttlemeister the other is the Vista Cruise. The Vista cruise is somewhere around $25, the Throttlemeister a lot more expensive, forgot how much. Installing of the Vista Cruise is simple, once you know how. If you want it to work perfectly a slot in the side of the plastic handlebar is best because you need some free play for the lock. A screw is also possible, but in that case you need absolute perfect alignment, otherwise the lock will not clamp perfectly when engaged and / or will still clamp a little bit when disengaged. I made the slot with the help of a drill, but read a much better way afterwards, namely with a solder gun. You can melt your way into the plastic. I had to roll the rubber grip of the plastic roll inside to shift it slighty to the right on the roll, because I didn't have enough room between grip and plastic for the lock. There is a screw in the lock which you can screw out to put the lock around the bar without the need to remove the grip. This screw can also be used to adjust the tension. If you put the tension low you can adjust the throttle while it's engaged, like the Throttlemeister. Don't forget to insert the clear plastic ring between lock and grip to prevent sticking while disengaged. If you adjust tension to much, there is a chance it will stick while being disengaged. It works great on my PC and looks really stock, plus it was incredibly cheap. The right choice for a minimalist IMHO : ). Don't know any adresses in the US. >Does upgrading the original speakers make a noticeable difference? I have the original speakers and they certainly are the nicest to look at. Don't know about output difference though. When standing still you it can blast really loud, at 65mph it's hard to hear the news, except when you're looking thru a high windscreen without earplugs. >Ride, Ride, Ride Okay, okay, I will !! Sheesh...... ___ |_ mile |\ |ossin |__urope | \|etherlands --------------------------------------------------- *Site: http://fly.to/emile *Bike: '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" *Webphone: +31 (023) 5392323 ( http://www.mediaring.com ) *ICQ: 17992318 ( http://www.icq.com ) *Email: Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rthomass@ccmail.com Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 13:59:20 -0700 To: Subject: Re[2]: PC800: Beware- Vendor alert --923428531@inetmail1.ccmail.com Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" I had a conversation about this issue a couple of years ago with a friend of mine that is a Postal Inspector. The Postal Inspectors are the law enforcement officers for the USPS. According to him, you have 30 days to return any goods that you get via mail order, as long as some portion of the transaction takes place through the US Mail. According to my recollection of the conversation, even if a vendor uses UPS or FedX as the shipper, if you pay with a credit card you are covered by the USPS regulations. Most people pay their credit card bills via US Mail... I'll send a copy of this message to my friend and I'll report back what he tells me. Roy T. ____________________Reply Separator____________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Beware- Vendor alert Author: Date: 4/6/99 8:03 PM Is this kind of thing legal in the US?! Here in the UK there is the Mail Order Protection Act which give the consumer the right to return anything purchased through mail order and get a get a full refund back. Some companies still try to charge the 'restocking fee' but if the customer do not agree they pay up. Job Sussex Coast ---------- > From: John La > To: scpcrc List ; pclist > Cc: maw@iex.net > Subject: PC800: Beware- Vendor alert > Date: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 6:25 PM > > Hi all- > > Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse charges 15% restocking > fee if you return something to them. Even if unopened > and unused. I support their right to charge a restock > fee, but not to hide the information until you return > the goods. > > This information is not revealed on their online order > form or when you order over the phone. Also when I > called to inquire about return procedures, it was > still not revealed. The restock penalty information > is on their webpage, if you look for it. Now you > don't have to. > > By the way, I've compiled a list of Motorcycle > Accessory vendors here: > > http://john.lafreniere.com/mclinks.htm > > My Favorite Online Vendor: Dennis Kirk matches prices > on many items, and -get this- does NOT CHARGE FOR > SHIPPING! What you are quoted is what you pay. No > restock penalty within 30 days. I am not involved > with Dennis Kirk company in any way except as a > satisfied customer. > > Happy Shopping! Feel free to forward this to other > motorcycle related groups and individuals. > > John > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. --923428531@inetmail1.ccmail.com ; Tue, 06 Apr 1999 11:01:02 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Subject: Re: PC800: Beware- Vendor alert Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:03:10 +0100 --923428531@inetmail1.ccmail.com-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tim J. Clevenger" To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Re[2]: PC800: Beware- Vendor alert Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:39:58 -0700 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hi Roy, I am unaware of any postal regulations that apply to mail order--except = those that are specifically fraudulent businesses (i.e., you buy a hard = drive and they ship you a piece of pine.) The credit card regulations = are Visa and Mastercard regulations--not postal regulations. Despite = what your card issuing bank might say, Visa and Mastercard regulations = require the merchant bank to hold the merchant responsible for their = credit card charges for 6 months from the purchase date. This means = that you can "charge back" against unfulfilled orders by writing a = letter to your issuing bank. (This also applies to "card present" = retail businesses.) On another note, if your local mail order place (or anyone, for that = matter) tries to surcharge you for using a Visa or Mastercard, make sure = they list it as "Visa surcharge" or "Mastercard surcharge" on the bill. = You can then mail a copy to your issuing bank and get the surcharge = reversed. Visa/Mastercard regulations require that merchants accept = credit cards "at the same cost" as cash (meaning you can't be charged = more for using a credit card than you are for using cash, and that = includes the "2% discount for cash" crap), and merchants cannot = discriminate against any Visa or Mastercard because of issuer or = cardholder. A quick letter to your issuer, and they will inform Visa, = who then sends off a nasty letter to the merchant. Regards, Tim Clevenger '98 PC800 ("Sweet 16") ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rthomass@ccmail.com[SMTP:rthomass@ccmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 1:59 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: PC800: Beware- Vendor alert <> I had a conversation about this issue a couple of years ago with a = friend of mine that is a Postal Inspector. The Postal Inspectors are the law = enforcement officers for the USPS. According to him, you have 30 days to return any = goods that you get via mail order, as long as some portion of the transaction = takes place through the US Mail. According to my recollection of the = -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ROBJHALL@aol.com for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:58:47 EDT Subject: PC800: Clearview Installation Help To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Coasters: I went through the archives looking for some basic installation instructions for the Clearview I just purchased second hand. The windshield is in perfect shape but I did not receive any instructions or mounting hardware with it. According to some early posts, the clearview uses original parts (bolts & brackets) True/False? Where do I start installation or should I call/e-mail Craig at Clearview? (phone #/address?) Getting started on jobs with the PC is always the biggest hurdle. The plastic pieces are like a puzzle. I'm always amazed at how things go together and come apart once I get started but am never really sure where to begin. In other words, which piece on the nose comes off first? Specific suggestions appreciated. BTW the new windshield is going on my 89 which is being spruced up and put on the market (i.e. For Sale) at $3K (w/o the Kenwood which has been transferred to the 96) Rob Cary NC 89 w/43K 96 w/ 1.8K -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Roger Bowen" To: "pc800" Subject: PC800: Off-Topic Ha-Ha Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:03:37 -0700 For those of you who want to read something really funny, check out 'A Real Bad Day' on page 11 in the May 1999 issue of Rider Magazine. Roger Bowen Grants Pass, Oregon P.S., E-mail me if you want a copy of the piece. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 19:05:18 -0500 From: Ralph Couey To: "Reinhardt, Bob" CC: "'PC800'" Subject: Re: FW: PC800: Electrical Problems "Reinhardt, Bob" wrote: > > Good News Everyone! > > My bike is back on the street and running great! T When I removed the positive-side cable it was rather "floppy" on one end, almost like it was broken. Dear Bob, A lot of us have occasional problems with floppy cables. It's nothing to be ashamed of and it certainly doesn't make you any less of a man.:) Ralph Couey Columbia, MO -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "The Broekings" To: "pc list" Subject: PC800: 8K Service and Misc Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:38:13 -0400 Importance: Normal Bought the 98 PC in late Jul 98. Just made an appt for my 8K service. My dealer quoted 2.4 hours for $115. Some time and $ will be subtracted from this because I do my own oil chgs with Mobil 1. I remember we talked about it once before but cant remember the specific opinions. has anyone ever taken their plastic pieces off and then drive to the dealer for the service. I can take my plastics off easily in minutes and hate the thought of a Honda tech who sees a PC once a year to be yanking them off--- thoughts? I also thought I would share this. I priced the right side (front and rear crash bar covers) small pieces of molding for my 98 (fell over in the driveway 1st week I had it last year) and found the following: dealer front rear +shipping Milpitas $54.30 $68.88 yes Planet Honda $55.92 $92.13 yes Shenendoah Honda $50.00 $60.00 no (dealer where I bought bike is still giving me at least 10% discount on parts and accessories) I think I will not change them out just yet; hard to pay that much for two $8 piece of black plastic and you only see the scrapes if you look under the protectors..:-) Thought I would share this data.. Bob -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:52:24 -0400 To: ROBJHALL@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Clearview Installation Help At 5:58 PM -0400 4/6/99, ROBJHALL@aol.com wrote: >Coasters: > >I went through the archives looking for some basic installation instructions >for the Clearview I just purchased second hand. In other words, which piece on the nose comes off first? Hello Rob. Jim Alexander posted great instructions to this list in September. They were even better than the ones I posted! So....with credit to Jim, here are his instructions. Good luck. If you run into problems and have specific questions, feel free to email me direct. I have installed a few Clearviews before. fsl :-) Posted by Jim Alexander in September 98 Remove your mirrors (push the mirror so that the inner edge of each mirror is the most forward it can go and you will see the two hex head bolts which hold the mirror on). The lightbulb socket does unplug so you can take the mirrors off completely (a friend removed mine, but twisted the bulb out of the socket ... not necessary). In the center/bottom of the windscreen, you will see the small vent with the horizontal lines. There are two small phillips head screws which hold this in. Remove them and carefully pull the vent straight out. Next remove the vanity strip, you saw the hex head shoulder bolts when you took the mirrors off. You will find that in the center/bottom of this strip it sort of clips / slides into some slots, so they need to come straight out. Now your windscreen bolts are exposed. If you were just removing the stock windscreen to clean it, you would be concerned about the bolts as the vary in length, but since you will be using the bolts from Clearview, it won't matter. You will need the shoulder washers for the new bolts. Once all of the bolts are out, it might seem that the windscreen is still stuck on ... that is only because it is stuck against the rubber mounting underneath. You should take care not to damage this rubber as you want to keep it on the bike. Now your stock screen should be off the bike. Installing the Clearview ... basically reverse the procedure, using the new bolts. Just a few cautions. Your Clearview does not have the blackend area at the bottom, so some of the dash panel will be exposed. I am going to take mine back off and spray it will flat black paint later. You may want to consider it before installing or during the install process when you see where the windscreen will sit on your bike. Put in the center bolt first. Put in the two outbound bolts in the 'U' channels. Adjust the windscreen as there is enough play allowed in the design (very good quality fit!). You need to leave room for the vanity strip to fit back under the edge of the Clearview sheild because it sticks out more than the stock screen. It is no problem, but this will save you time from having to re-adjust it. Just snug the outbound bolts down, then put in the remaining two bolts (the ones between the center bolt and the outbound bolts). Tighten all the bolts down and follow the procedure above in reverse. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: PC800: RE: Oil Filters Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:57:40 -0400 Last year at the Honda Hoot, there were Honda filters available by the = case (12 filters) at about $5 each. If they're back this year I'm going = to buy a case. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net http://home.naxs.com/jrandall/ -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Croyle, Shelley [SMTP:Shelley.Croyle@msc.navy.mil] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 6:32 AM To: Honda Sport Touring Association Subject: RE: Oil Filters Tom I'm interested in contacting your filter supplier. I'm paying $12 per. Rather steep. Do you have an email or phone number - address? Shelley Croyle STOC 859 97 ST1100 -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: StlthHsta@aol.com [mailto:StlthHsta@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 6:26 AM To: Honda Sport Touring Association Subject: Re: Oil Filters Regarding oil filters: I use Honda only and buy them at discount and = stock=20 up. The GW uses the same filter as the ST1100. The NightHawk S uses the = same as the 4514, er, um, that's a lawn tractor. I found a dealer/vender at Honda=20 Homecoming selling them at a discount for a box of ten. Also my dealer = will meet or beat any advertised price, providing it is legit, so I can also = get=20 them there. They keep rather nicely until it's time to use 'em. Tom -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 20:15:38 -0500 From: Ralph Couey To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: Perfect PC--Take 2 Hi gang! I fixed the errors and inconsistencies that were pointed out and I submit to you with all due trepidation the latest version of "The Perfect PC": Mr. Ralph F. Couey On Behalf of : Global Pacific Coast Riders 1771 West Way Columbia, MO 65203-9455 Mr. John Petas, Senior Vice President Motorcycle Division American Honda Motor Company 1919 Torrance Blvd. Torrance, CA 90501 Dear Mr. Petas: I am writing on behalf of a cadre of Pacific Coast motorcycle owners. We were naturally disappointed in Honda's decision to drop the PC from the motorcycle lineup for ‘99. We understand in the business of selling bikes sales figures are everything. However, we feel that the PC is one of the better bikes on the road for a variety of reasons and we would like to see it returned to your sales floors. While the ST1100 is a singular machine of exquisite quality, frankly, there's no other sport-tourer out there with the aerodynamic sweep, internal quality, and artistic appeal of a Honda Pacific Coast. There were some complaints about the PC concerning power, range and some visual characteristics that some found...unusual. We have expended some internet bandwidth in order to come up with some suggestions for improving the basic design without altering the singular characteristics that define the PC. We hope you will peruse these suggestions and carefully consider them. We feel that changing some of the shortcomings listed below would make the PC highly attractive to buyers who like the looks of a swoopy sport-tourer at a very reasonable price. Engine: 1. Increase displacement to 900cc or find a way to generate more horsepower. When riding two up with gear in the trunk (normal touring conditions) the bike's response is annoyingly, and in traffic, dangerously sluggish. 2. Fuel injection. Carbs are too difficult to maintain in a bike with a sealed body. 3. Extend the oil filler port another inch or so so that one can pour oil directly from a standard plastic bottle instead of some esoteric funnel arrangement. 4. An option for the 2-into-2 Shadow exhaust system for those who want a more authoritative engine note. 5. A larger, more beefed-up stator, perhaps a 700w. 7. Strengthen the radiator hose connections. 8. Keep the following items as is: - Quiet, reliable, smooth V-twin engine - Sleek, attractive closed-in look - Shaft drive - Liquid cooling - Self-adjusting hydraulic valves - Low maintenance Transmission: 1. Add a 6th gear. Or perhaps make the existing gearing a little taller. Fuel system: 1. At least a 6 gallon internal tank. You cannot do any meaningful trips having to stop every hundred miles or so to fill up. The PC is a very comfortable bike for long-range rides and that characteristic should be more useful. If this means a higher “hump” (faux gas tank) we can live with that. 2. A low-fuel light on the fuel gauge indicating a half to three quarters of a gallon remaining (20 to 30 miles under most conditions). Ergonomics: 1. A lighted clock. Please. 2. Place adjustable wings on the engine vents to direct engine heat onto the rider in winter (through the fairing shin panels) and away from the rider in summer. 3. Taller standard windshield. Or make the standard shield manually adjustable. Ever take a Junebug in the forehead at 70 mph? Also reduces the wind noise considerably. 4. Gear indicator lights. The engine is so quiet that the only way you can tell when the engine is laboring is to take your eyes off the road and onto the tach. 5. Optional fairing-mounted stereo system. It's a space hog in the trunk. 6. Make the suspension more adjustable so we can choose between a plush ride and "sport" handling. The addition of the “Works” shocks and fork springs really help take the pogo out of hard cornering and helps to alleviate that annoying head shake. Something like that should be standard for a sport tourer. 7. Cruise control option. 8. Optional highway Pegs for forward leg extension. 9. More comfortable seat for the passenger with a higher backrest. 10. Adjustable-height seat. Storage: 1. A useable tail section. It's a disgrace to have that much wasted storage space on a motorcycle. 2. A removable top box. 3. Keep the top-access to the trunk. Much easier to work with than side bags. 4. Tweak the design of the rear end to make it appear less scooter-like, while keeping that big, safe tail light. 5. Some additional color choices. Safety: 1. Tail light on top of the trunk/top box. In traffic, the cages (cars, trucks) behind you need to see this. 2. An optional pair of driving lights. At night in deer country these will save your life. 3. Widen the headlight beam so that both road shoulders can be at least partially illuminated. See Deer country comment above. 4. Air horns, or a much louder car-style horn. With the windows up, the stereo cranked and the A/C running, drivers won’t hear anything less. 5. One or two reflective lens panels on the side of the bike. Might help prevent a t-bone and parking lot accidents. 6. Optional ABS II. Other: 1. More mainstream tire sizes. Makes more brand choices available and not as expensive at replacement time. 2. Keep the front rotor covers. They helped make the bike distinctive. We feel making these changes would help the marketability of the PC immensely and would improve Honda’s reputation by not abandoning a great design. There’s ample room in this world for the world’s best sport-touring motorcycle; it’s only natural that it should proudly wear the name “Honda.” Thank you for your time in reading this letter. And thanks to Honda for designing and building the most exciting and reliable motorcycles on the market. Sincerely, Ralph Couey And PC owners everywhere . -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D7KPX839; Tue, 06 Apr 1999 22:34:28 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:34:09 -0400 Subject: PC800: Jacket for HOT weather. From: Harvey P Sattin What's the best/coolest jacket to wear for riding in hot weather? With a full-fairing PC I find it unbearable when the temps start to climb. I live in the city and much of my riding involves traffic. I get hot in the summer and want something with a little protection that won't make me overheat. Harvey Sattin Brookline, MA - Still cold in the mornings but great afternoons! '98 PC800, 1400 miles ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D7KQCJQR; Tue, 06 Apr 1999 22:41:12 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: jrandall@tricon.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 21:40:10 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: RE: Oil Filters From: John D Louk I bought a case of Honda oil filters at the Hoot last year. It's well worth the effort. If you didn't have room to carry them, there was a UPS shipping desk in the convention center not more than 100 feet from the dealer selling the filters. I'd bet that both are there this year, too. It's a no brainer. John Louk Carmel, IN '90 PC "Ruby" (with 6 filters remaining) On Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:57:40 -0400 Jim Randall writes: >Last year at the Honda Hoot, there were Honda filters available by the >case (12 filters) at about $5 each. If they're back this year I'm >going to buy a case. > >Jim Randall >jrandall@tricon.net >http://home.naxs.com/jrandall/ > >-----Original Message----- >From: Croyle, Shelley [SMTP:Shelley.Croyle@msc.navy.mil] >Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 6:32 AM >To: Honda Sport Touring Association >Subject: RE: Oil Filters > >Tom > >I'm interested in contacting your filter supplier. I'm paying $12 >per. >Rather steep. Do you have an email or phone number - address? > >Shelley Croyle >STOC 859 >97 ST1100 > >-----Original Message----- >From: StlthHsta@aol.com [mailto:StlthHsta@aol.com] >Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 6:26 AM >To: Honda Sport Touring Association >Subject: Re: Oil Filters > > >Regarding oil filters: I use Honda only and buy them at discount and >stock >up. The GW uses the same filter as the ST1100. The NightHawk S uses >the same > >as the 4514, er, um, that's a lawn tractor. I found a dealer/vender >at >Honda >Homecoming selling them at a discount for a box of ten. Also my >dealer will > >meet or beat any advertised price, providing it is legit, so I can >also get >them there. They keep rather nicely until it's time to use 'em. > > Tom > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m3.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id D7KR7TTG; Tue, 06 Apr 1999 23:13:34 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:16:33 -0700 Subject: PC800: Locked trunk From: Joyce D Calvert Hey listers, I find myself needing some quick help here. Locked my trunk while attempting to install it back on the bike. The lock cable will not open it if I rock it over with my fingers. Has anyone else had this problem? Thanks in advance, Joyce Sonoma County, Ca -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 00:01:39 -0400 To: Joyce D Calvert , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Locked trunk At 8:16 PM -0700 4/6/99, Joyce D Calvert wrote: >Hey listers, > >I find myself needing some quick help here. Locked my trunk while >attempting to install it back on the bike. The lock cable will not open >it if I rock it over with my fingers. Has anyone else had this problem? > >Thanks in advance, > >Joyce >Sonoma County, Ca Hello Joyce. Remove the left vent, which pops right out, and you will see a screw that holds the left side cover. Remove this screw and remove the left side cover. Besides this screw, the left cover is also held on with 3 'boss' points. (you know, the fat plastic into the rubber hole kind of mechanism) . Once the side cover is off, then you should be able to see the adjustment for the trunk release cable. Either adjust it so that it works, or detach it and pull the cables with pliers to unlock the trunk. fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 23:58:52 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Eric CC: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: newbie PC800 questions & WTB Hi Eric, Eric wrote: > Thank you for the info. Seems as if the PC is built as well as the Accord. > Do you know if the PC is built in Japan or stateside? Japan. Hamamatsu, to be specific. When I hit 100000 miles with nothing significant and the bike still sounded like new, I decided to go for 200000. Based on Dave Little's experience (190,000+ and rising fast with no problems), I've decided to shoot for 250 or 300,000. Since I put on 22,800 miles per year just commuting and, usually several thousand more just having fun, it won't take too many years to reach those numbers. Dave Little may be there by next week (big grin). He gets off the list for a month and when he comes back he's put on another 10,000 miles. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 128,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 00:26:06 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Roger Bowen CC: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Off-Topic Ha-Ha Hi Roger, Roger Bowen wrote: > For those of you who want to read something really funny, check out 'A Real > Bad Day' on page 11 in the May 1999 issue of Rider Magazine. That story has really made the rounds. We just received it from Lohan Johnson on this list about two weeks ago. The first time I saw it or a variation, though, the wife had thrown a cockroach into the toilet and tried to kill it with hair spray. Then the husband sat down, etc. That version came out of Israel in the form of a newspaper clipping, as I recall. It's funny in any form, I think. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 128,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 00:13:25 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: John La CC: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Beware- Vendor alert Hi John, John La wrote: > My Favorite Online Vendor: Dennis Kirk matches prices > on many items, and -get this- does NOT CHARGE FOR > SHIPPING! What you are quoted is what you pay. No > restock penalty within 30 days. I am not involved > with Dennis Kirk company in any way except as a > satisfied customer. I second the recommendation for Dennis Kirk. I've not shopped online but bought my first 4 or 5 sets of tires from them via phone and mail order. No problems at all. Also bought helmets, visors, face shields, etc. via mail order. In case I haven't mentioned it previously, I've also had good luck with Motoport and their stuff. Their web page doesn't amount to much but, if they still send it, they have a good catalog and are prompt, etc. via mail order and phone. I had a problem with one of their suits and they promptly replaced it; no problems at all. Same kind of experience with Widder; all positive. FWIW... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 128,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "MTW" To: "The Broekings" , "pc list" Subject: Re: PC800: 8K Service and Misc Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 06:34:33 -0400 $47.91 / hr seem a little high for labor. In ohio my dealer charges $40. Why do you want to remove the plastic before you take it in for service? To cut down on the labor? If so check with your dealer. I don't know about M/C shops, but auto shops usally charge "book" price for labor. Say you need new shocks, the book says it takes 1hr, but the mechanic finishes in 40 min. You still get charged for 1 hour. The "Book" price is the calculated labor based on an average job so if your mechanic takes 1.25 hr, you would still be charged 1 hr. Good luck. Mike Whited ' 94 PC -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: The Broekings To: pc list Date: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 8:33 PM Subject: PC800: 8K Service and Misc >Bought the 98 PC in late Jul 98. Just made an appt for my 8K service. My >dealer quoted 2.4 hours for $115. Some time and $ will be subtracted from >this because I do my own oil chgs with Mobil 1. I remember we talked about >it once before but cant remember the specific opinions. has anyone ever >taken their plastic pieces off and then drive to the dealer for the service. >I can take my plastics off easily in minutes and hate the thought of a Honda >tech who sees a PC once a year to be yanking them off--- thoughts? > >I also thought I would share this. I priced the right side (front and rear >crash bar covers) small pieces of molding for my 98 (fell over in the >driveway 1st week I had it last year) and found the following: > >dealer front rear >+shipping >Milpitas $54.30 $68.88 >yes >Planet Honda $55.92 $92.13 >yes >Shenendoah Honda $50.00 $60.00 >no (dealer where I bought bike is still giving me at least 10% discount on >parts and accessories) > > >I think I will not change them out just yet; hard to pay that much for two >$8 piece of black plastic and you only see the scrapes if you look under the >protectors..:-) >Thought I would share this data.. Bob > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 07:03:42 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Jacket for HOT weather. To: n1php@juno.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) n1php@juno.com writes: >What's the best/coolest jacket to wear for riding in hot weather? > >With a full-fairing PC I find it unbearable when the temps start to >climb. >I live in the city and much of my riding involves traffic. I get >hot in >the summer and want something with a little protection that won't >make me >overheat. > >Harvey Sattin >Brookline, MA - Still cold in the mornings but great afternoons! >'98 PC800, 1400 miles I had exactly the same problem last year when I bought my Pacific Coast. I wanted one jacket I could wear year round. Leather was out, always too hot in the summer. I settled on the lightweight (200 denier) Gerbing's Ultimate jacket with the removable electrically heated liner. This was my decision after trying 3 jackets from other manufacturers (none of them heated) during August and September of last year. The nice part is that I could have it custom made for no extra cost. I had an extra zippered vent put in near the front of the shoulders that works great. I can give you more details if you want. Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "The Broekings" To: "MTW" , "pc list" Subject: RE: PC800: 8K Service and Misc Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 07:25:19 -0400 Importance: Normal $47.91 / hr seem a little high for labor. In ohio my dealer charges $40. Why do you want to remove the plastic before you take it in for service? To cut down on the labor? ----- No it would be so I could remove the pieces w/o breaking anything or scratching them. I can do it in minutes. Bob -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 10:34:27 -0400 From: cen13504 To: Ralph Couey , "Reinhardt, Bob" , pc list Subject: Re: FW: PC800: Electrical Problems Bob, I wonder if a good dose of Viagra in your coolant reservior would firm up the floppy cable problem. Personally I like a more natural cure like plenty of long rides for exercise and a good jolt from the battery tender. Just a thought..... -- Kenneth Winter East TN Walters State Community College Business Department 423-626-5063 95 Isuzu Trooper 90 Honda PC "Second Chance" 87 Toyota Mini RV 84 SP 200 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by land.willinet.net with SMTP; 7 Apr 1999 11:17:07 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 11:21:18 -0500 From: Ryan To: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: PC800: back rests and luggage racks Hello everyone. I am aware that there is a back rest available for the PC; I have never seen one. Is it tall? tiny? Does it have a luggage rack on the back, or is there an option to get a luggage rack? Thanks, Ryan -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:58:42 -0400 To: Harvey P Sattin , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Jacket for HOT weather. At 10:34 PM -0400 4/6/99, Harvey P Sattin wrote: >What's the best/coolest jacket to wear for riding in hot weather? > > Hi Harvey. I saw a product at the motorcycle show in New York that might be of interest to you. It was a very lightweight shirt that had body armour in it. You basically wear this over your -tshirt, and then you can wear a jean jacket or some other light jacket overtop. Check out http://www.actionstation.com/body_armour.html to see what I mean. They often have adds in the back of Rider Magazine, but until the show in NY I hadn't actually seen the product. They are not sheap, however. The web page shows them starting at $179. You can get a decent jacket for not much more than that, as Tim mentionned regarding his Gerbing. But, with this armoured shirt, every jacket you own is now suitable for riding. Ride safe.... fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:47:01 -0400 To: ryan@e-etc.com From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: back rests and luggage racks Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Hello everyone. I am aware that there is a back rest >available for the PC; I have never seen one. Is it >tall? tiny? Does it have a luggage rack on the back, >or is there an option to get a luggage rack? > >Thanks, > >Ryan Hello Ryan. If you check the archives you can find out the details about the 2 common solutions to your question. - Honda makes a backrest for the PC800 that is about as high as your lower back. Some passengers like, others don't. Honda does not offer an accessory luggage rack. - Givi, an Italian manufacturer, offers a luggage rack for the PC, and you can optionally attach a top case, which can be equipped with an optional backrest. This backrest is much higher than the Honda version. As an added benefit, many of the different top cases available will hold 2 full face helmets. Search the archives for 'backrest;Honda' if that solution appeals to you, or for 'Givi' if that solution appeals to you. Good luck. fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Peter Noeth To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Jacket for HOT weather. Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:05:35 -0700 Harvey, I use a Levi denim jacket to which I have added some leather in the sleeves to protect the elbows as well as some in the shoulder area. I admit this is not a lot of additional protection, but like you, I overheat easily in hot weather so it is a compromise over wearing my usual full leather jacket. Peter Noeth || KE6ZJA || Rocklin, CA || '96 w/ 10k and loving every minuite! > ---------- > From: Harvey P Sattin[SMTP:n1php@juno.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 7:34 PM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: Jacket for HOT weather. > > What's the best/coolest jacket to wear for riding in hot weather? > > With a full-fairing PC I find it unbearable when the temps start to > climb. > I live in the city and much of my riding involves traffic. I get hot in > the summer and want something with a little protection that won't make me > overheat. > > Harvey Sattin > Brookline, MA - Still cold in the mornings but great afternoons! > '98 PC800, 1400 miles > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bill Jackman" To: Subject: PC800: PC800 stator testing Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 11:29:39 -0600 Listers, I just got a fax, from Jason Tippits (thank you), out of the service = manual showing the takedown/removal of the stator from under the left = cover (where the shifter shaft goes into the housing). After looking at = the location of the stator, is it possible to have it tested (either = before or after removal) to verify it is in fact defective, before I = spring for the new stator? Any experience/insight would be appreciated. = The symptoms seem to point clearly at the stator, ie. runs, starts, etc = fine while the battery is charged, but even with long rides battery does = not charge and engine dies/wont run when battery is drained/dead. Charge = up the battery and it starts all over again. Bill Jackman 89~25k -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Peter Noeth To: "Pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: RE: PC800: PC800 stator testing Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:56:37 -0700 Bill, The conditions you describe could easily apply also to the regulator. You should have that checked as well, before you go through the trouble of removing the stator. Peter Noeth || KE6ZJA || Rocklin, CA || '96 w/ 10k and loving every minuite! > ---------- > From: Bill Jackman[SMTP:bjackman@lgcy.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 10:29 AM > To: Pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: PC800 stator testing > > Listers, > I just got a fax, from Jason Tippits (thank you), out of the service manual > showing the takedown/removal of the stator from under the left cover (where > the shifter shaft goes into the housing). After looking at the location of the > stator, is it possible to have it tested (either before or after removal) to > verify it is in fact defective, before I spring for the new stator? Any > experience/insight would be appreciated. The symptoms seem to point clearly at > the stator, ie. runs, starts, etc fine while the battery is charged, but even > with long rides battery does not charge and engine dies/wont run when battery > is drained/dead. Charge up the battery and it starts all over again. > Bill Jackman > 89~25k > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: PC800 stator testing From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 07 Apr 1999 12:59:04 -0500 Lines: 29 >>>>> "BJ" == Bill Jackman writes: BJ> Listers, I just got a fax, from Jason Tippits (thank you), out of the BJ> service manual showing the takedown/removal of the stator from under BJ> the left cover (where the shifter shaft goes into the housing). I didn't know if you needed any other pages, so I just sent the one. The alternator test procedure is on age 15-7 of the shop manual. (Wish you had one yet?) There's only one diagram, so perhaps text will suffice: Alternator: Inspection Note: it is not necessary to remove the stator coil to make this test. Remove the left air duct/maintenance lid (Section 2). Disconnect the alternator 6P (WHITE) connector. Measure the resistance between the yellow wire terminals and check for no continuity between each terminal and ground. Standard: 0.1 - 1.0 ohms (20C/68F) Replace the stator if the resistance is out of specification or if there is continuity between any yellow wire terminal and ground. - J< -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Don Bennett" To: Subject: PC800: For Sale Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 11:07:50 -0700 I'm entertaining the idea of selling my '97 PC and getting a bigger Honda for touring. I have just over 10K miles on it, and a tall Rifle, otherwise in just about mint condition. I live near Eugene, Oregon. Any clues about what the bike should be worth either for sale or in trade?? I am well aware that the bottom fell out just about three months after I paid $8900 for it! Don Bennett -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:17:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: Jacket for HOT weather Harvey P Sattin writes: > What's the best/coolest jacket to wear for riding in hot weather? Funny you should ask, as I just discussed this off-list with someone else. The best summer jacket I've seen was a Vanson closeout at a local dealer. This was a relatively short-waisted jacket in heavy tan Cordura, with internal leather pads at the shoulders, elbows, and forearms. Two chest panels zipped down to reveal perforated leather panels behind them. This also included zipper vents on the insides of the elbows, and zippered vents in the back at the kidneys. But, it also carried a Suzuki logo, looked like the tan cloth would get dirty very quickly, and I decided it was a little too single-purpose for my needs, even at a $199 sale price. Looking at the Vanson online site, their "Avenger" cordura/leather jacket looks very similar: http://www.vansonleathers.com/newpop.html Vanson Leathers 951 Broadway Fall River, MA 02724 508-678-2000 That said, I don't think it's possible to be truly cool on a PC in hot weather. Except for two-up trips to the mountains, I expect my PC to spend a lot of time on the trickle charger once it starts heating up around here. You want heat, come down to Atlanta. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Selden Deemer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by land.willinet.net with SMTP; 7 Apr 1999 14:01:32 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 14:05:36 -0500 From: Ryan To: Pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Givi top case Hello. Thanks for all the comments about my backrest/ luggage rack questions. Does the Givi top box make the bike handle differently? Feel heavier? Reduced gas mileage? Does Givi just make a luggage rack/back rest that fits the PC? I went to their site and saw a rack, but it didn't look like it had a back rest. And under the motorcycle types, under the PC800, it listed the something-10. But I could find no product by that name.... Thanks for any input, Ryan -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m3.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id D7MK5UJR; Wed, 07 Apr 1999 16:06:07 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:10:41 -0700 Subject: PC800: Trunk UN-lockjed From: Joyce D Calvert Hi listers, Thanks to you who posted a few suggestions. This bike amazes me. Check this out. It has two trunk locks!!! I've seen the two metal loops a thousand times, but never put it together. One cable splits into two from the gas tank door. There's a nice rubber sheathed splitter and everything -- still I didn't get it. Trying to open one lock manually doesn't work. It was pulling the cable with the pliers that did it. Thanks again!!! Joyce Sonoma County, Ca -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:53:29 -0700 (PDT) From: John Scalisi Subject: PC800: New Tires: Metzeler To: PC800 List Dropped my '90 PC800 off this morning at Manchester Honda (Manchester, CT) to have a new front tire mounted. I'm using the Metzeler's. The bike had Metzeler's when I purchased it. The rear was replaced in the fall but I let the front one go till now. I purchased the bike in June of 1997 with 10410 miles on the bike. The guy I purchased it from said the tires had about 3000 to 4000 miles on them. Today when I dropped of the bike it had 25650 miles on it. So I put 15240 miles on the front tire plus the 3000 to 4000 miles from the previous owner makes a total of about 18240 to 19240 on the front tire. Not bad. It was pretty much worn out but never seemed to stop gripping the road, even when wet. The front wobble was very bad though if you took your hands off the handle bars. I picked the bike up at noon time and enjoyed the great feeling of having two new tires. The bike felt great and the wobble is gone. I'm guessing that a lot of people complaining about the front end wobble can fix it with a new tire. I'm interested in seeing how the wobble comes back as the tire wears. The tire mounted (I brought them the whole bike) and balanced, including tax came to US$166.94. The tire was US$120.99, mounting was US$36.50 and tax was US$9.45. Not to bad for buying the tire local rather than mail order. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC800 List Subject: PC800: Re: New Tires: Metzeler From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 07 Apr 1999 16:59:44 -0500 Lines: 11 >>>>> "JS" == John Scalisi writes: JS> I'm using the Metzeler's. Which model of Metzeler did you have fitted? I need new rubber all around and want to know what to ask for. (Basically "anything but K555's" works for me, but it helps to be specific.) - J< -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:39:45 -0400 To: ryan@e-etc.com From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Givi top case Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Ryan wrote: >Hello. Thanks for all the comments about my backrest/ >luggage rack questions. > >Does the Givi top box make the bike handle differently? >Feel heavier? Reduced gas mileage? > Not really noticeable in any way. I tend to forget its back there when riding, and am reminded when I kick it getting off my bike. >Does Givi just make a luggage rack/back rest that >fits the PC? I went to their site and saw a rack, >but it didn't look like it had a back rest. And >under the motorcycle types, under the PC800, it >listed the something-10. But I could find no >product by that name.... > Givi makes racks, luggage, windshields, etc. for hundreds of bikes. There is a specific mounting bracket for the PC800, and the part number is SR-10, I think. Any of the Givi boxes fit on the Givi rack, and several of the boxes have optional backrests. I'm sure the required part numbers can be found by doing a search in the archives using the search string "Givi". If you are unsure how to search the archives, let me know and I will send you some basic instructions. There is alot of really good information in the archives and it is a valuable resource. It's also quicker than waiting for a reply to an email sent to the list. ride safe fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D7MZ7DNB; Wed, 07 Apr 1999 20:11:37 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 20:10:51 -0400 Subject: PC800: Luggage rack and tail bag. From: Harvey P Sattin I made a "luggage rack" for my PC. I went to Pep Boys and bought a roll of Plastigard body moulding. It's self-adhesive, black, 1/2" wide and comes on a 15 foot roll. I cut five strips and stuck them on the duck tail against the seat behind the backrest running front to back. One strip down the middle, one at each outside edge, and one between each of those. It looks great. I can now tie a duffel bag onto the back without worrying about scratches. Since I've got so much left over, I'm thinking about putting a piece around the back of the PC under the tail lights. That would protect the plastic lenses because the moulding would stick out just a bit beyond them. I bought the Wolfman Mini-Tail bag . It's a new product for them. It fits the PC by attaching to the passenger backrest and the passenger grab handles on each side. It sits on the duck tail. Although it has protective padding on the bottom I feel much better having my "luggage rack" under it. The capacity is 26 liters. It has one big main compartment, a top pocket and three additional outside pockets. It has an inside mesh pocket. The main compartment can hold a full face helmet. Wolfman's part number is M3103 and the list price is $89.99. You can see it on their website: www.wolfmanluggage.com or call them at 1-800-535-8131. I emailed them for a list of local dealers. I had MotoMarket here in Acton MA. order one for me and it arrived the next day. Harvey Sattin Brookline, MA (Spring is here and autolean works great!) '98 PC800, 1480 miles. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D7MZ7DKG; Wed, 07 Apr 1999 20:11:37 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: RickCorwn@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:50:04 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Heated Grips From: Harvey P Sattin On Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:53:55 EDT RickCorwn@aol.com writes: >Fellow Listers, >I'm looking, with little sucsess, for heated grips. Those of you who >have >these hand warmers please let me know all about them. Rick, I have the "Hot Grips" and I like them. I mounted the high/low/off switch in the handlebar cover above the "Start" button. I siliconed the resistor to the frame. I got a toggle switch cover at West Marine. It's black rubber and simply goes over the toggle and screws onto the threaded part of the body. Harvey Sattin Brookline, MA (Rode the 60 miles to & from work today!) '98 PC800, 1480 miles. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D7M39CJ5; Wed, 07 Apr 1999 20:47:39 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 20:20:44 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Beware- Vendor alert From: Harvey P Sattin Leland, ..And I second the recommendation for Motoport. Harvey Sattin Springtime in Brookline, MA '98 PC800 >I second the recommendation for Dennis Kirk. >In case I haven't mentioned it previously, I've also had good luck >with Motoport and their stuff. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (SMTPD32-5.01) id A82A5B025E; Wed, 07 Apr 1999 21:36:42 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael D. Linkous" To: "Pacific Coast" Subject: PC800: glovebox Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:32:54 -0400 I have e-mail Neill about the glovebox but have never received a = response? Does anyone know if he has a new e-mail.... ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- Michael D. Linkous Bluefield, WV http://www.inetone.net/mlinkous -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" , "'HSTA List'" Subject: PC800: Little Honda for sale Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:36:26 -0400 If any of you are looking for a lightweight street bike I have a CB125S = for sale. My son has been riding it for the last year and is moving to a = larger bike. See it here: http://home.naxs.com/jrandall/cb125.htm The bike is located in Kingsport, TN. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net http://home.naxs.com/jrandall/ =00=00 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. id VAA175870 (8.9.1/50); Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:02:20 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 20:58:08 -0500 Subject: PC800: Chatterbox Family Band From: "Rich Gross" To: pc800 Finally got a chance to try out the new Chatterbox family band radios. Here's what I found: Installation is easy, but finding the exact right place for the speakers is a challenge. Even in their best position with my HJC helmet, I am aware of them against my ears, though not uncomfortably so, at least for a couple of hours. The helmet clip seemed quite secure. City speeds: very good clarity, vox protects the units very well for virtually any kind of noise. It is worth noting that the microphone should be real close to your lips for best performance. Interstate (65-70mph, very windy day): surprisingly good. With the volume up and the vox sensitivity down we were able to communicate quite easily at a low level shout. My wife needed to get used to the clipping of the first word each time she spoke - I was used to it from my aviation days. Family Band: only able to try it short distance, no problem. Bonus: on intercom setting (not family band) it works as a duplex device. Verdict: it does what is is supposed to do. If I can find someone else with a similar setup, I'll let you know how it works bike-to-bike. Rich Madison, WI 1994 PC800: Jetson -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Nyffeler" To: "PC800 Group" Subject: PC800: Day Off Road Trip Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 23:14:38 -0500 Hi All: I had a day off from work coming, so after checking the weather I went for a long ride. Great day with almost 300 miles covered. One concern though, I had to ride about half way on the interstate. To not get run over I had to ride between 75 - 85 mph. I had filled my tank above the full mark before leaving and had to stop for fuel after only 133.5 miles. The tank took 3.887 gallons. That's only 34.35 mpg. The PC has fresh plugs & has just had the carbs synchronized. I had also just checked to tire pressure and it was correct according the label in the trunk. No head wind and no excess baggage. Just little ol me (6'1"/225 lbs.) behind a clearview +6 windshield . Has anyone else had the same result from running at that speed? On the return trip at no more than 65 mph I covered 159.6 miles on 3.559 gallons for an mpg of 44.84. My 1989 only has 9700 miles on it. Isn't it broke in yet? I look forward to some helpful insight. Thanks: Jim Nyffeler nyfty@navix.net 1989 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Doylefish@aol.com for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 00:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 00:55:11 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: For Sale To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hello Don A friend of mine in Albany bought a 98 with 1800 miles one it and without a blemish on it last month and he paid 5950. Also this was from Beaverton Honda. Hope this helps. Doyle C. Frazier - AMA, HSTA, HOG, HRCA, VOG, 95 PC - Dark Vadar 89 PC - Casper 3 GoldWings,3 various Kawasakis, 2 Harleys, 2 Yamaha's and 4 other Honda's. I buy but do not ever seem to part with any. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 23:47:49 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: ryan@e-etc.com CC: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: back rests and luggage racks Hi Ryan, Ryan wrote: > Hello everyone. I am aware that there is a back rest > available for the PC; I have never seen one. Is it > tall? tiny? Does it have a luggage rack on the back, > or is there an option to get a luggage rack? As I recall, it rises no more than about 10 inches above the passenger seat and there is NO luggage rack, I believe (correct me if I'm wrong, somebody). I'm not sure that you can get it from Honda any more; someone on this list reported that, I think. You may find a used one available from a lister, though. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 128,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 23:52:34 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Don Bennett CC: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: For Sale Hi Don, Don Bennett wrote: > I'm entertaining the idea of selling my '97 PC and getting a bigger Honda > for touring. I have just over 10K miles on it, and a tall Rifle, otherwise > in just about mint condition. I live near Eugene, Oregon. Any clues about > what the bike should be worth either for sale or in trade?? I am well > aware that the bottom fell out just about three months after I paid $8900 > for it! Oh, what a shame! The price for the '98 was lowered to around 6500 which is where it was when I bought mine. I would guess that you won't be able to get 6 for it. Search the archives for the past 2 or 3 months; someone but the blue book prices for each year on it. They seemed high to me (didn't take into account the price drop, I thought). Good luck... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 128,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 23:56:20 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Joyce D Calvert CC: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Trunk UN-lockjed Hi Joyce, Joyce D Calvert wrote: > Thanks to you who posted a few suggestions. This bike amazes me. Check > this out. It has two trunk locks!!! I've seen the two metal loops a > thousand times, but never put it together. One cable splits into two > from the gas tank door. There's a nice rubber sheathed splitter and > everything -- still I didn't get it. Trying to open one lock manually > doesn't work. It was pulling the cable with the pliers that did it. When the cable head broke on mine, I used a needle nose pliers to open the trunk for a couple of weeks until I could get a replacement cable from Honda. A little cumbersome but it worked! Glad you got yours opened... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 128,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 23:59:39 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Jason L Tibbitts III CC: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Re: New Tires: Metzeler Hi Jason, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > Which model of Metzeler did you have fitted? I need new rubber all around > and want to know what to ask for. (Basically "anything but K555's" works > for me, but it helps to be specific.) There are two possibilities that I know of: The new model from Metzeler is the ME880; someone on the list just had these installed. The old model from Metzeler is the Marathon ML2 and ML2+ (one is front and the other is rear, as I recall); I had these installed about 6 or 8 weeks ago. Either one should be fine. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 128,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 00:05:01 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: "J. Nyffeler" CC: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Day Off Road Trip Hi Jim, J. Nyffeler wrote: > One concern though, I had to ride about half way on the interstate. To not > get run over I had to ride between 75 - 85 mph. I had filled my tank above > the full mark before leaving and had to stop for fuel after only 133.5 > miles. The tank took 3.887 gallons. That's only 34.35 mpg. The PC has > fresh plugs & has just had the carbs synchronized. I had also just checked > to tire pressure and it was correct according the label in the trunk. No > head wind and no excess baggage. Just little ol me (6'1"/225 lbs.) behind > a clearview +6 windshield . > > Has anyone else had the same result from running at that speed? On the > return trip at no more than 65 mph I covered 159.6 miles on 3.559 gallons > for an mpg of 44.84. My 1989 only has 9700 miles on it. Isn't it broke in > yet? I look forward to some helpful insight. I average over 54 mpg but I drive 60, brake easily and accelerate easily. I have noticed that the PC tends to drop off (in mileage) fast as the speed goes up. At 65 mph, I couldn't get over about 48mpg and I would guess that the mileage drop is somewhat geometric as the speed rises... FWIW... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 128,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 08:44:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: New Tires: Metzeler John Scalisi writes: > I'm guessing that a lot of people complaining about the front end > wobble can fix it with a new tire. I'm interested in seeing how the > wobble comes back as the tire wears. Although it's very tempting, I suspect it's false economy to replace the front tire only half as often as the rear. Handling degrades slowly over time, with the result that you don't realize how bad things have gotten until you replace the front tire. In my experience, the front tire seems to be responsible for about 75% of handling "feel," and it's probably worthwhile to replace both tires as a pair. Of course, this also depends on the type of riding you do. If it's 90% freeway slab cruising, there isn't much call for handling. If most of your riding is in the twisties, replacing both tires as a pair may well be worth the extra cost. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Selden Deemer, Library Systems Administrator PHONE: 404-727-0271 Emory University Libraries FAX: 404-727-0053 Atlanta, Georgia EMAIL: libssd@emory.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 08:56:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: Day Off Road Trip "J. Nyffeler" writes: > To not get run over I had to ride between 75 - 85 mph. I had filled > my tank above the full mark before leaving and had to stop for fuel > after only 133.5 miles. The tank took 3.887 gallons. That's only > 34.35 mpg.... > Has anyone else had the same result from running at that speed? On > the return trip at no more than 65 mph I covered 159.6 miles on 3.559 > gallons for an mpg of 44.84.... All other things being equal, wind resistance increases with the square of velocity. If your resistance is 4225 units at 65 mph, it will be 6400 units at 80 mph. Your reported gas mileage at 80 is actually better than would be predicted by a V-squared calculation (which just goes to show that all other things are NOT equal). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Selden Deemer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:00:14 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: PC800: For Sale : Chatterbox FRS For Sale: 3 Chatterbox FRS Systems. Fellow listers! It is with great regret that I announce that I am forced to sell our new Chatterbox FRS intercoms. The frequencies used by the Family Radio Service are only available in the US and in Taiwan. Here in Canada these frequencies are in use by Search and Rescue, Ambulance and Paramedic Service, and by Provincial police. We are really disappointed about this, since our limited exposure to these units proved how well they really work. These units have not been used for more than one hour each and are all in the original packaging, complete with instructions. Priced at $160US each plus shipping. Please email me directly. Thanks. fsl :-) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 09:08:15 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Chatterbox Family Band To: rgross@facstaff.wisc.edu Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) rgross@facstaff.wisc.edu writes: >Here's what I found: > >Installation is easy, but finding the exact right place for the >speakers is a challenge. Even in their best position with my HJC >helmet, I am aware of them against my ears, though not >uncomfortably so, at least for a couple of hours. The helmet clip >seemed quite secure. The parts and pieces for the Chatterbox FRS are the same as for the Chatterbox 90 and I have not had any problem with the helmet clip after many hundreds of miles with the HJC-90. I haven't even needed to retighten it. I have a Nolan N-100 helmet and inside the area where my ears go there were some pads that just poped out to allow more room for the speakers of the headset. I don't even know the speakers are there. I put the hook side of the velcro on the speakers and they hold securely to the nylon inner lining of the helmet. I've never looked at an HJC helmet, but I always thought they were made to accomodate the HJC audio equipment perfectly. I'm just wondering if there is some kind of removable insert inside the ear area of your helmet that would make it more comfortable for you. Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 08:11:06 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: "J. Nyffeler" CC: PC800 Group Subject: Re: PC800: Day Off Road Trip "J. Nyffeler" wrote: > Hi All: > > I had a day off from work coming, so after checking the weather I went for a > long ride. Great day with almost 300 miles covered. > > One concern though, I had to ride about half way on the interstate. To not > get run over I had to ride between 75 - 85 mph. I had filled my tank above > the full mark before leaving and had to stop for fuel after only 133.5 > miles. The tank took 3.887 gallons. That's only 34.35 mpg. > > Has anyone else had the same result from running at that speed? On the > return trip at no more than 65 mph I covered 159.6 miles on 3.559 gallons > for an mpg of 44.84. I took a little 1039 mile ride last July 11th and got 45.2 on one tank when avg. speed was around 60 on 2 lane roads. On another tank at about 90 mph avg. on the 4 lane, I only got 29.6 miles per gallon. Your avgs sound about right. It took a little over 17 hours for the trip and that was a short day. I still had almost 7 hours left. I just ran out of road. Enjoy the ride, I did! -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 IBA, 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 08:17:29 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: "Leland C. Sheppard" CC: ryan@e-etc.com, Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: back rests and luggage racks "Leland C. Sheppard" wrote: > Hi Ryan, > > Ryan wrote: > > > Hello everyone. I am aware that there is a back rest > > available for the PC; I have never seen one. Is it > > tall? tiny? Does it have a luggage rack on the back, > > or is there an option to get a luggage rack? > > I'm not sure that you can get it from Honda any more; someone > on this list reported that, I think. You may find a used one available > from a lister, though. > The guy with the duals on his PC that I took pictures of a couple of weeks ago, had just received and installed a Honda PC backrest on his bike. He ordered it from the local dealer and the first one he got was black. He returned it and got a gray one instead. So as of a few weeks ago, the Honda backrest was still available. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 IBA, 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 06:47:42 -0700 (PDT) From: John Scalisi Subject: Re: PC800: Re: New Tires: Metzeler To: Jason L Tibbitts III Cc: PC800 List There's only one tire model for the PC800. The Marathon's. It's an ML2 for the front and an ML2 plus for the rear. There's been some talk that Metzeler is replacing the ML's with an 880 model but the dealers should either have them or not. My dealer still had the ML's. --- Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > > Which model of Metzeler did you have fitted? I need new rubber all > around > and want to know what to ask for. (Basically "anything but K555's" > works > for me, but it helps to be specific.) > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 06:55:13 -0700 (PDT) From: John Scalisi Subject: Re: PC800: New Tires: Metzeler To: Francois Saint Laurent Cc: PC800 List My dealer still had the ML2's in stock so I got those. When I met up with you last fall I had just had the rear ML2 Plus put on so I was glad I was able to still get the ML2 for the front so I still have a matched set of tires. I figure by the time these wear out the ML2's will probably not be available and I'll get the ME880's. If they're both available at that point I'll have to make a decision. I don't know about Americade yet. I'm only about 140 miles away from Lake George so maybe I'll ride back 'n forth for a day or two. After all, riding is all the fun! I'll let you know. What days are you going and where are you staying? --- Francois Saint Laurent wrote: > Hi John. > > Did you get the ML2's or the new ME880's?g pretty smooth..... > > Are you going to Americade this year? > > fsl _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 07:45:38 -0600 To: libssd@emory.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Paul B. Atkins" Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Day Off Road Trip One of the things I love about this list is the real life jobs/ interests we bring to this interest in motorcycles....Thanks Selden for that physics lesson. I knew it was just a matter of time until we got the REAL reason. I had a good chuckle today upon reading your reply..thanks and have a good one! Paul physically challenged 96 PC800 Marinette, WI > >All other things being equal, wind resistance increases with the square >of velocity. If your resistance is 4225 units at 65 mph, it will be 6400 >units at 80 mph. Your reported gas mileage at 80 is actually better than >would be predicted by a V-squared calculation (which just goes to show >that all other things are NOT equal). > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Selden Deemer >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 08:25:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Broeking Subject: Re: PC800: Day Off Road Trip To: "J. Nyffeler" Cc: PC800 Group 45 mpg seems more normal than 34 mpg. I, like Steve, recently averaged 44 on a long distance trip. I find my MPG going up with the warmer weather. I suppose less warm up time,... Bob --- Steve Wilson wrote: > "J. Nyffeler" wrote: > > > Hi All: > > > > I had a day off from work coming, so after checking the weather I went for a > > long ride. Great day with almost 300 miles covered. > > > > One concern though, I had to ride about half way on the interstate. To not > > get run over I had to ride between 75 - 85 mph. I had filled my tank above > > the full mark before leaving and had to stop for fuel after only 133.5 > > miles. The tank took 3.887 gallons. That's only 34.35 mpg. > > > > Has anyone else had the same result from running at that speed? On the > > return trip at no more than 65 mph I covered 159.6 miles on 3.559 gallons > > for an mpg of 44.84. > > I took a little 1039 mile ride last July 11th and got 45.2 on one tank when avg. > speed was around 60 on 2 lane roads. On another tank at about 90 mph avg. on the > 4 lane, I only got 29.6 miles per gallon. Your avgs sound about right. It took a > little over 17 hours for the trip and that was a short day. I still had almost 7 > hours left. I just ran out of road. Enjoy the ride, I did! > > -- > Steve Wilson Ruston LA. > > Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care > > Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer > 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck > > Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 > IBA, 7/98 SS1000 > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA08082 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:00:12 -0500 (CDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 08:59:49 -0700 Subject: Re: PC800: Day Off Road Trip From: "Larry Gomez" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I know we just recently had a discussion of gas mileage, but since I've only filled up the tank on my '89 3 times now, I couldn't participate then. However, on my intown, trying to get used to riding a motorcycle mode, my second fillup resulted in 51 MPG! I figured that had to be wrong and it would average out when I took it to work last Saturday and Sunday. It's a 43 mile trip one way to work, almost all highway driven at 70 MPH indicated, so after the third trip I filled up in Pleasanton and averaged... 51 MPG! Relatively windy (gusts to 30 mph) and cold (50's) both days. I suppose it won't last, I just wish I knew what/why/how it's getting it now. I was going to do some work on it, replace plugs, oil, antifreeze, but now I'm thinking I don't want to touch anything. It has 46K miles on it and should get serviced at 48K. Not bragging, just startled by the results. Larry Gomez >Hi All: > >I had a day off from work coming, so after checking the weather I went for a >long ride. Great day with almost 300 miles covered. > >One concern though, I had to ride about half way on the interstate. To not >get run over I had to ride between 75 - 85 mph. I had filled my tank above >the full mark before leaving and had to stop for fuel after only 133.5 >miles. The tank took 3.887 gallons. That's only 34.35 mpg. The PC has >fresh plugs & has just had the carbs synchronized. I had also just checked >to tire pressure and it was correct according the label in the trunk. No >head wind and no excess baggage. Just little ol me (6'1"/225 lbs.) behind >a clearview +6 windshield . > >Has anyone else had the same result from running at that speed? On the >return trip at no more than 65 mph I covered 159.6 miles on 3.559 gallons >for an mpg of 44.84. My 1989 only has 9700 miles on it. Isn't it broke in >yet? I look forward to some helpful insight. > >Thanks: >Jim Nyffeler >nyfty@navix.net >1989 PC800 > > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John & Rhoda Strode" To: Subject: PC800: Fuel Milage Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:48:54 -0700 Rhoda has an 89 with 50,000+ and I have a 96 with 10,000+. We run the freeways at 75 and side roads a little less most the time. We get 49 = to 52, doesn't matter if we are loaded down for trip around the country or = just out for a day ride. Taking it easy from Winnamuca, Nevada to Lakeview, Oregon we managed 60.3. We keep it at 55 and didn't do the heavy = throttle on take off. Jacque, a friend of ours gets 50+ miles to the gallon all the time. I think I might have them check the tune up they did. ours gets=20 50+ miles to the gallon all the time.

I think I might have them = check the=20 tune up they did.
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 13:13:13 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: PC list Subject: PC800: headlight Hey guys. Question time. I am about to put the new Kisan pathblazer in. The Honda PC service manual says to remove the windshild etc. Too much work. I can get too the dust cover and the headlight connector from underneith the front of the bike. My questions are; does the connector twist to come out with the bulb? Is seems to want to come straight out but is being held by something after a short tug. Straight out? Is there a tab that has to be released to get it out? Is this wise or do I have to go through the hoops of taking the windshield, et al out? -- 93SE (Teal, ya hunh) 95Hannigan 95ACE 97Pacific Coast (oh baby) 98V-Star Classic (Red?, you bet!) GWTA of Michigan web site http://my.voyager.net/gwta/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Peter Hockham" To: Cc: , Subject: Re: PC800: Anybody in group wants to reply to..... Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:08:35 +0100 Thanks to all who replied, Lots of useful info. -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PCSG Ltd. To: P.Hockham@btinternet.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu ; Emile@Cybercomm.nl Date: 02 April 1999 21:47 Subject: Re: PC800: Anybody in group wants to reply to..... I confirm everything Emile said. I am not sure about the "Dutch west coast to the east coast" bit; may be that happens only on April 1 :-) I would further add:- PC800 was the choice by Virgin Atlantic as the 'Limo Bike' to transport executives to the airport though London's traffic. PC800 handles so well in the twisties of England and it is more suited to our roads and traffic conditions than the so called Pan European. It did not become popular in Britain simply because it was not marketed properly by any dealers. In Holland there is a good dealer and consequently there are over 1000 PC800s there. My nearest Honda dealer (Littlehampton M/Cs in Sussex) could not supply me with a PC800 but they have the PC800 Microfiche with all part numbers. One local PC800 owner wanted an exhaust system and they got it within 6 days and fitted it. Apparently, PC800 parts are stocked in Honda's European Warehouse. But parts are likely to be more expensive than US or Holland. Consumables such are filters, tyres, brake pads are readily available. Judging by the collective experience of 226 owners in this list you are unlikely to need anything else for a very very long time! I would however recommend that you get the 'Wong Wing' and Neill's 'Gizmo Bag' ;-) The unique 'AutoLean' is standard equipment on all models before 1997 ;-) One thing PC800 owners do enjoy in Britain is the rarity of the bike. There are hundreds of STs, BMWs, VFRs, Fireblades, etc. on the road but so few PC800s. People admire the clean and handsome good looks of the PC. I keep getting many good remarks when I park it in town. I know only 5 other PC800 owners in Britain but they are all full of praise for the PC800. If you still feel unsure, join this list and you will hear what owners world-wide has to say about this fantastic motorcycle. You will also meet some of the nicest people on the planet... Job Sussex Coast ---------- >From: Emile Nossin >was a short-lived model because even Honda realised they'd designed a > >lemon, the designer recently went on record saying it wasn't one of his > > '89 till '98 is short lifed ? Bikes who can easily run at least 200K US miles without > overhaul are lemons ? > > >best efforts, you can't get many parts in the UK, it's got a fuel range > >of 100 miles, > > Range is 150 to 200 miles (some people more, don't know how), but > it's far enough for me. I can go from the Dutch west coast to the east coast and halfway back on that range, that's sufficient for me. > > >and even the lowest speed drop will shatter all those > >acres of shiny plastic. > > The great thing about the PC is it's crash bars that prevent a lot of > expensive damage. The only thing I had to replace after two drops > (one low speed, one 30 US mph) were the plastic crashbar covers. > They're not cheap, but it beats having to replace mirror + signal light + > exhaust + engine case + steering bar + clutch / brake lever + leg (now they're > expensive). Believe me, if you want to slide a bike, the PC is designed to > do it in the safest and cheapest way (including "break away mirrors" which > hang on to a steel wire and reattach within a minute). > > The parts are hard to get in the UK, but not in Holland (very popular). > Good thing is you hardly need any because it's so darn reliable. > Don't know the sender of these strange critics, since it's forwarded to the PC > list, but I'll leave forwarding to you. > Greetings and happy eastern, > Van: Arvid Løvik > Aan: PC 800 Club > Datum: vrijdag 2 april 1999 1:14 > Onderwerp: PC800: Anybody in group wants to reply to..... > This ????? > > > Peter Hockham wrote: > > > Has anyone bought a "grey import" PC 800 as I have been offered one but I > > have heard nightmare stories about getting spares and servicing in the UK. > > I live near Epsom, Surrey and no dealer wants to know! > > Do I go for it or steer clear? > > Grateful for any advice...(impartial) > > Oh, fer Chrissakes...... > > You've answered your own question. > > Points in favour of a PC800: It's a Honda, it's reliable, and it's a > doddle to keep clean. > > Points against a PC800: It's a Honda, it's not an official import, it > was a short-lived model because even Honda realised they'd designed a > lemon, the designer recently went on record saying it wasn't one of his > best efforts, you can't get many parts in the UK, it's got a fuel range > of 100 miles, and even the lowest speed drop will shatter all those > acres of shiny plastic. > > Leave it. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 14:32:14 -0400 Subject: PC800: Honda Pacific Coast published again To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) I just got the May issue of American Motorcyclist (AMA member magazine) and on pages 32-35 is an article by Mary Ratz about her annual Colorado trip on her Honda Pacific Coast. Nice article with pictures. Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 14:29:10 -0400 From: Bill McKenna To: Harvey P Sattin CC: RickCorwn@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Heated Grips Same deal... 4 years + no problems... four star addition... available @ Denise Kirk.. hotgripps are online somewhere as well. FWIW Bill Harvey P Sattin wrote: > On Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:53:55 EDT RickCorwn@aol.com writes: > >Fellow Listers, > >I'm looking, with little sucsess, for heated grips. Those of you who > >have > >these hand warmers please let me know all about them. > > Rick, > I have the "Hot Grips" and I like them. I mounted the high/low/off > switch in the handlebar cover above the "Start" button. I siliconed the > resistor to the frame. I got a toggle switch cover at West Marine. It's > black rubber and simply goes over the toggle and screws onto the threaded > part of the body. > > Harvey Sattin > Brookline, MA (Rode the 60 miles to & from work today!) > '98 PC800, 1480 miles. > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill McKenna- AugustaMaine--USA Use every letter you write, every conversation you have, every meeting you attend to express your fundamental beliefs and dreams. Affirm to others the vision of the world you want. You are a free, immensely powerful source of life and goodness. Affirm it, spread it, and radiate it. Think day and night about it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Peter Noeth To: PC list , "'Thomas Ongstad'" Subject: RE: PC800: headlight Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:59:48 -0700 Thomas, Check the archives on this, there has been several discussions on the best way to remove the connector/bulb. Basicly, there is a spring latch that holds the bulb in. After unlatching the small handle, the bulb comes straight out. Several on the list have managed the removal/installation of the bulb by manipulation from the bottom (hand up between the forks). When I installed my PathBlazer, I found that I couldn't pull the connector off my bulb as it was too tight. I removed the windshield for two handed access and also to dress the ambient light sensor lead neatly during the installation, as well as making some additional power connections for map lights and installing and wiring speakers. Peter Noeth || KE6ZJA || Rocklin, CA || '96 w/ 10k and loving every minuite! > ---------- > From: Thomas Ongstad[SMTP:gwta@voyager.net] > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 10:13 AM > To: PC list > Subject: PC800: headlight > > Hey guys. > > Question time. I am about to put the new Kisan pathblazer in. The > Honda PC service manual says to remove the windshild etc. Too much > work. > > I can get too the dust cover and the headlight connector from underneith > the front of the bike. My questions are; > does the connector twist to come out with the bulb? Is seems to want to > come straight out but is being held by something after a short tug. > Straight out? > Is there a tab that has to be released to get it out? > Is this wise or do I have to go through the hoops of taking the > windshield, et al out? > -- > 93SE (Teal, ya hunh) > 95Hannigan > 95ACE > 97Pacific Coast (oh baby) > 98V-Star Classic (Red?, you bet!) > GWTA of Michigan web site http://my.voyager.net/gwta/ > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: annreid@juno.com by m4.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D7P3HX3Q; Thu, 08 Apr 1999 15:13:21 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, scpcrc@listbot.com Cc: neillnsteph@hotmail.com Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:13:17 -0700 Subject: PC800: PLATINUM PLUGS Hi! I'm NOT on list, so please reply direct, off-list. Thanks! I have the Ghost in the shop for annual checkup, fluid changes, and preflight for my upcoming solo ride from Phx to Ozarks. I wanted to put Bosch platinum plugs in but mechanic cannot locate and NAPA guy says no equivalent in his book. David Smith dug this info for me: NGK DPR8EA-9 for continuous high-speed riding. NAPA says they have to special order it and the number is now DPR8EVX-9 (NGK stock #2872) and that this is the only motorcycle platinum plug listed. Anybody out there have experience with Platinums or a source for them? I'm leaving Friday, 23 April and will be gone till about 11 May. (For those of you thinking outloud: Yes, I'll carry my stator and gasket....just in case. *GROAN, CLUNK*) Thanks! Ann '89 PC-AZ, Ghosting Along in a Thong - 45,000 Miles & Screamin' for More Thu. 4.8.99 Noonish MST -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tim J. Clevenger" To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: PC800: Beware- Vendor alert Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:12:32 -0700 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hi John, If you paid for the items with a credit card, you can charge back the = 15%. Visa/Mastercard regulations require that the return policy be = posted prominently on the order submission page, or in the case of a = physical retail outlet, it must be posted prominently within view of the = register, and on the receipt. Regards, Tim Clevenger '98 PC800 ("Sweet 16") ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: John La[SMTP:johnla@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 3:25 AM To: scpcrc List; pclist Cc: maw@iex.net Subject: PC800: Beware- Vendor alert Hi all-=20 Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse charges 15% restocking fee if you return something to them. Even if unopened and unused. I support their right to charge a restock fee, but not to hide the information until you return the goods. This information is not revealed on their online order form or when you order over the phone. Also when I called to inquire about return procedures, it was still not revealed. The restock penalty information is on their webpage, if you look for it. Now you don't have to. =20 By the way, I've compiled a list of Motorcycle Accessory vendors here: http://john.lafreniere.com/mclinks.htm My Favorite Online Vendor: Dennis Kirk matches prices on many items, and -get this- does NOT CHARGE FOR SHIPPING! What you are quoted is what you pay. No restock penalty within 30 days. I am not involved with Dennis Kirk company in any way except as a satisfied customer. Happy Shopping! Feel free to forward this to other motorcycle related groups and individuals. John _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 16:45:51 -0400 From: John Morgan RoBards To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: backrest Backrests are available from Honda ... $168.00 plus tax. I ordered one and a week later I had my black backrest. Great, but I wanted a gray one. Hondaline didn't have it in that color, I was told. I ended up getting one from off the list. It was in excellent condition and at a fair price. I would encourage anyone else to find a replacement this way. JR. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Cc: Subject: PC800: PLATINUM PLUGS Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 22:16:17 +0100 Hi Ann, NGKs are very good! have been for a very long time. The ones for PC800 are: Standard DPR7EA-9 Cold climate DPR6EA-9 High speed riding DPR8EA-9 I have used NGKs in many other engines including microlight aircraft and have never been let down. But not yet on the PC as mine has done only 3500 miles so far. Would like to hear your views after fitting them. Job Sussex Coaster ---------- > From: annreid@juno.com > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu; scpcrc@listbot.com > Cc: neillnsteph@hotmail.com > Subject: PC800: PLATINUM PLUGS > Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 8:13 PM > > Hi! I'm NOT on list, so please reply direct, off-list. Thanks! > > I have the Ghost in the shop for annual checkup, fluid changes, and > preflight for my upcoming solo ride from Phx to Ozarks. I wanted to put > Bosch platinum plugs in but mechanic cannot locate and NAPA guy says no > equivalent in his book. > > David Smith dug this info for me: NGK DPR8EA-9 for continuous > high-speed riding. NAPA says they have to special order it and the > number is now DPR8EVX-9 (NGK stock #2872) and that this is the only > motorcycle platinum plug listed. > > Anybody out there have experience with Platinums or a source for them? > I'm leaving Friday, 23 April and will be gone till about 11 May. (For > those of you thinking outloud: Yes, I'll carry my stator and > gasket....just in case. *GROAN, CLUNK*) > > Thanks! > Ann > '89 PC-AZ, Ghosting Along in a Thong - 45,000 Miles & Screamin' for More > Thu. 4.8.99 Noonish MST > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Subject: PC800: Fuel Milage Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:59:38 +0100 Here in the Britian we always get 25% more MPG than you lot in the US; no matter how fast or loaded we ride. Ha, Ha! Job Sussex Coaster ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: John & Rhoda Strode To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Fuel Milage Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 5:48 PM Rhoda has an 89 with 50,000+ and I have a 96 with 10,000+. We run the freeways at 75 and side roads a little less most the time. We get 49 to 52, doesn't matter if we are loaded down for trip around the country or just out for a day ride. Taking it easy from Winnamuca, Nevada to Lakeview, Oregon we managed 60.3. We keep it at 55 and didn't do the heavy throttle on take off. Jacque, a friend of ours gets 50+ miles to the gallon all the time. I think I might have them check the tune up they did. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Totman, Scott L" To: "'annreid@juno.com'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu, scpcrc@listbot.com Cc: neillnsteph@hotmail.com Subject: PC800: RE: PLATINUM PLUGS Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:30:48 -0400 I shall check them out!!!... scott, 89PC 104,000 mi and still chuggin! -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: annreid@juno.com [mailto:annreid@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 12:13 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu; scpcrc@listbot.com Cc: neillnsteph@hotmail.com Subject: PLATINUM PLUGS So. Cal. PC Riders Club - http://scpcrc.org Hi! I'm NOT on list, so please reply direct, off-list. Thanks! I have the Ghost in the shop for annual checkup, fluid changes, and preflight for my upcoming solo ride from Phx to Ozarks. I wanted to put Bosch platinum plugs in but mechanic cannot locate and NAPA guy says no equivalent in his book. David Smith dug this info for me: NGK DPR8EA-9 for continuous high-speed riding. NAPA says they have to special order it and the number is now DPR8EVX-9 (NGK stock #2872) and that this is the only motorcycle platinum plug listed. Anybody out there have experience with Platinums or a source for them? I'm leaving Friday, 23 April and will be gone till about 11 May. (For those of you thinking outloud: Yes, I'll carry my stator and gasket....just in case. *GROAN, CLUNK*) Thanks! Ann '89 PC-AZ, Ghosting Along in a Thong - 45,000 Miles & Screamin' for More Thu. 4.8.99 Noonish MST ______________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, write to scpcrc-unsubscribe@listbot.com Start Your Own FREE Email List at http://www.listbot.com/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bill Kapinski" To: Subject: PC800: For Sale - neet stuff Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:08:58 -0500 I already posted some days ago my 98 PC was for sale cause I just bought = a Goldwing. Now I have the following for sale: 1) Wong wing for 96, 97, 98 PC. Received it from Philips Wong in = December. Never installed. $125.00 2) J&M PACB-400 Personal Audio Pac with a Uniden PRO-350XL CB = radio. Purchased 9/98 135.00 =20 3) PC800 Shop manual. Purchased 6/98. = = 25.00 Shipping included. If interested please e-mail me. Thanks. Bill -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'annreid@juno.com'" Cc: "'PC800 List'" Subject: RE: PC800: PLATINUM PLUGS Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:11:41 -0400 Anne, why bother with the platinum plugs? I change my standard plugs at = 8,000 as recommended even though they look as good as new. I left one = set in 12K to see what would happen. The result - nothing. It was still = running great when I finally changed them. Mine has never missed a beat = no matter how many miles are on the plugs. IMO, installing platinum = plugs won't improve anything since plug fouling/degradation is not a = problem on the PC. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net http://home.naxs.com/jrandall/ -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: annreid@juno.com [SMTP:annreid@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 3:13 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu; scpcrc@listbot.com Cc: neillnsteph@Hotmail.com Subject: PC800: PLATINUM PLUGS Hi! I'm NOT on list, so please reply direct, off-list. Thanks! I have the Ghost in the shop for annual checkup, fluid changes, and preflight for my upcoming solo ride from Phx to Ozarks. I wanted to put Bosch platinum plugs in but mechanic cannot locate and NAPA guy says no equivalent in his book. David Smith dug this info for me: NGK DPR8EA-9 for continuous high-speed riding. NAPA says they have to special order it and the number is now DPR8EVX-9 (NGK stock #2872) and that this is the only motorcycle platinum plug listed. Anybody out there have experience with Platinums or a source for them?=20 I'm leaving Friday, 23 April and will be gone till about 11 May. (For those of you thinking outloud: Yes, I'll carry my stator and gasket....just in case. *GROAN, CLUNK*) Thanks! Ann '89 PC-AZ, Ghosting Along in a Thong - 45,000 Miles & Screamin' for More Thu. 4.8.99 Noonish MST -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. =00=00 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: PC800: FW: Oil Article from Honda Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:14:17 -0400 cross posting this to the PC800 list... FYI Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net http://home.naxs.com/jrandall/ -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Mike and Rebecca Stenger [SMTP:mstenger@radiks.net] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 9:05 PM To: Honda Sport Touring Association Subject: Re: Oil Article from Honda A fellow posted this to the ST1100 list. He works for Honda, albeit not in the motorcycle division. He has access to this publication though, and has given us a heads-up on ST1100-related service notes in the past. Sorry for the cross-posting, but I would think this would interest all motorcyclists. I am using SH/SJ-rated Mobil 1 15w50 in my ST1100, but Mobil has said that this viscosity has no "friction modifiers". Even the higher viscosity regular auto oils are probably OK, but you never know. I still use Honda SG-rated GN-4 dino juice in my CL350. I'm using the $10-a-quart Triumph/Mobil synthetic motorcycle oil in the T'bird, but may go to the 15w50 Mobil 1 auto stuff next. I don't mind spending a little extra, but $50+ oil changes really suck, especially since I am using a 3000 mile interval, half the recommended 6000. > Subject: Oil Article From Honda >=20 > Here's the text of the infamous "oil article." This was published in = "The > Wrench," a service newsletter for Honda motorcycle technicians = (Jan/99) >=20 > - - - - - begin quoted material - - - - >=20 > SH Rated Four-Stroke Oils >=20 > We mentioned SH rated oils in the April '96 issue of The Wrench. = Here's a > current update on SH rated oil. >=20 > This type of oil was developed to optimize the miles per gallon = attained by > auto engines. To achieve this, most SH oils contain friction modifiers = that > significantly reduce frictional losses on internal combustion engine > components. SH rated oils are generally in the 5W-15/20/30 viscosity = (SAE > index) range. >=20 > While SH oil is fine in automobile engines, the situation is different = for > motorcycle engines. >=20 > The use of SH rated oil with friction modifiers in Honda motorcycle = engines > may cause the following problems: >=20 > =B7 Wear between the camshaft lobes and rocker arms due to the = lubricant > breaking down between the two components. >=20 > =B7 Slipping and deterioration of wet multi-plate clutch systems >=20 > =B7 Slipping of one-way starter clutches >=20 > =B7 Possible wear and pitting of transmission gear teeth due to the = decreased > shear stability of the oil >=20 > Not all SH rated oils use friction modifiers. But since oil producers = are > not required to state if their oil contains friction modifiers, it is > dfflficult to tell which brand may cause a problem. With this in mind, = we > recommend that SH rated oils not be used in Honda motorcycle engines. = We'll > keep you posted on this oil issue in future issues of The Wrench as = more > information becomes available. >=20 > - - - - - end quoted material - - - - --=20 Mike STenger HSTA #5811 STOC #372 SOHC4 #316 AMA HRCA RAT Honda Sport Touring Assn. Nebraska/Dakotas Area Director Papillion, Nebraska mailto:mstenger@radiks.net '93 ST1100 '98 Triumph Thunderbird Sport '72 CL350 *** HSTA web site http://www.ridehsta.com *** -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP Fri, 9 Apr 1999 01:15:10 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Alexander D. Gray" To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: PC800: 1994 Honda Pacific Coast for Sale Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:16:00 -0000 Importance: Normal Disposition-Notification-To: "Alexander D. Gray" hello gang, I hate to say it but I have to sell my motorcycle. 1994 bought new in 95, PC800 18,100 miles on the baby New Tires, less than 300 miles on them New Battery, one day old New Rifle Tinted Tall Windshield, less than 500 on the puppy Corbin Seat, with backrest for the passenger Sony Stereo, with remote control BIKE IS IN BETTER CONDITION THAN WHEN NEW Bike is in Denver, Colorado and I'm asking $4,500 bike is in the Denver Post and will start running this Saturday so if anyone on this newsgroup would like it there is still time. Also posted at Classifieds2000[[ Unknown attachment : 4864 in winmail.dat ]] Please forward to anyone that might be interested. Thanks guys:( Alexander D. Gray 303-986-7138 Picture available via e-mail upon request. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 20:46:40 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: Thomas Ongstad CC: PC list Subject: Re: PC800: headlight Thomas Ongstad wrote: > Hey guys. > > Question time. I am about to put the new Kisan pathblazer in. The > Honda PC service manual says to remove the windshild etc. Too much > work. > > I can get too the dust cover and the headlight connector from underneith > the front of the bike. My questions are; > does the connector twist to come out with the bulb? Is seems to want to > come straight out but is being held by something after a short tug. > Straight out? > Straight out. With a little wiggle. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 IBA, 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Desmond Cockburn" To: n1php@juno.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Jacket for HOT weather. Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 19:32:35 PDT Harvey, The only way to stay cool on a bike is to sweat, sorry ladies, perspire. With the fairing and windshield you are going to get most of the moving air up the sleeves or maybe into some sort of chest vent or front shoulder vent. The exhaust, with the evaporated perspiration, will either vent up the neck or out an upper back vent. Works just like the old evaporative coolers. There are leather jackets out there that have adjustable vents, check out a catalog from Competition Accessories or Dennis Kirk. Can't say how will they work. Most all the Cordura nylon jackets have venting systems and armour padding. I wear the Tour Master Cortec jacket year round and it works fine in our broiling Oklahoma summers in keeping me fairly cool, when I'm moving and will steam you alive when you stop for a light. I open up the adjustable sleeve openings, open the upper chest and back vents and catch the wind over the rear view mirrors. Crazy as it looks, wearing a jacket in the heat of summer, this is about the only way to really stay cool. Des 95 PC, Dream Weaver Okmulgee, Ok. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 00:03:28 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Selden Deemer CC: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Re: New Tires: Metzeler Hi Selden, Selden Deemer wrote: > Although it's very tempting, I suspect it's false economy to replace the > front tire only half as often as the rear. Handling degrades slowly over > time, with the result that you don't realize how bad things have gotten > until you replace the front tire. In my experience, the front tire seems > to be responsible for about 75% of handling "feel," and it's probably > worthwhile to replace both tires as a pair. Of course, this also depends > on the type of riding you do. If it's 90% freeway slab cruising, there > isn't much call for handling. If most of your riding is in the twisties, > replacing both tires as a pair may well be worth the extra cost. > While there isn't much call for handling on the freeway, the other 20% of my riding definitely calls for it so it's still worth replacing both at the same time - to me. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 128,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 00:19:25 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Larry Gomez CC: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Day Off Road Trip Hi Larry, Larry Gomez wrote: > I know we just recently had a discussion of gas mileage, but since I've only > filled up the tank on my '89 3 times now, I couldn't participate then. > However, on my intown, trying to get used to riding a motorcycle mode, my > second fillup resulted in 51 MPG! I figured that had to be wrong and it > would average out when I took it to work last Saturday and Sunday. It's a 43 > mile trip one way to work, almost all highway driven at 70 MPH indicated, so > after the third trip I filled up in Pleasanton and averaged... 51 MPG! > Relatively windy (gusts to 30 mph) and cold (50's) both days. I suppose it > won't last, I just wish I knew what/why/how it's getting it now. After the first few thousand miles, I slowed down on my PC to 60 mph on the highway. My mileage went up dramatically when I did so. I had been getting around 48 at 65 and it shot up to 54 mpg at 60 mph. The best I've ever gotten was on the old formulation gas: I drove from Cameron Park to Coalinga and then some on one tank of gas; I got 62.8 mpg on that one (I went 263.7 miles on that tank); it was July 4th, 1995. I took that trip just to see if I could get 60mpg or better; I was pretty sure I could but I was surprised at how good it ended up being. Since the gas reformulation, the best I've gotten is 59.9. The PC, driven easily, is capable of some astonishing mileage. I'm averaging 54.00 mpg for 128,570.9 miles. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 128,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 00:27:11 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Thomas Ongstad CC: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: headlight Hi Tommy, Thomas Ongstad wrote: > I can get too the dust cover and the headlight connector from underneith > the front of the bike. My questions are; > does the connector twist to come out with the bulb? Is seems to want to > come straight out but is being held by something after a short tug. > Straight out? > Is there a tab that has to be released to get it out? My mechanic has replaced my headlight bulb that way twice. I can't seem to tug it out myself but he can. I'm pretty sure it comes straight out but there is a spring loaded clip holding it, as I recall; just takes a good tug, I think. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 128,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 07:12:24 -0400 From: Susan Dingess To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: PC800 Hello all back on the list again and sorry to say I must sell my 1996 PC 800. It was bought new on 4-98 so is one year old with 2 years factory warrenty left. Color red and in mint condition never been down looks new with only 8k miles. It has back rest and tall Rifle air balance shield and cruise control. Selling price is 5200 and it is now for sell on www.ebay.com Item # 86924938 until 4-11-99 with minimum bid of 5000 also you can see a picture there. The bike is located in Port St Lucie, Florida and shipping can be arranged. 561-335-1839. Thanks Jim and Susan -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 07:13:38 -0400 From: Susan Dingess To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: 96 PC800 Hello All back on the list again and sorry to say I must sell my 96 PC800. It was bought new 4-98 and is 1 year old with 2 years factory warrenty left and 8k miles. It is red in color and in mint conditions has backrest and rifle air balance tall shield. Selling price is 5200 it is on ebay.com with minimun bid at 5000. For a picture and a change to bid go to ebay.com and the item # is 86924938 or you can call me at 561-335-1839 . The bike is located in port st lucie florida and shipping can be arranged. Thanks Jim or Susan -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:40:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List cc: annreid@juno.com Subject: PC800: Re: PLATINUM PLUGS annreid@juno.com writes: > David Smith dug this info for me: NGK DPR8EA-9 for continuous > high-speed riding. NAPA says they have to special order it and the > number is now DPR8EVX-9 (NGK stock #2872) and that this is the only > motorcycle platinum plug listed. > > Anybody out there have experience with Platinums or a source for them? I put NGK platinum plugs in my Hawk two years ago. If I remember right, one platinum plug costs about the same as a set of 4 regular plugs. They were quite difficult to find, and had to be special ordered. I made the switch because changing plugs on a Hawk engine is a crappy job (haven't tried yet on a PC). I've had good results (50,000 miles or more) with platinum plugs in cars. BUT, there is one important caveat: if allowed to stay in the engine for a long time, the plugs can seize, making them difficult if not impossible to remove. I put antiseize compound on the threads before installing them. I plan to loosen them, then re-tighten the next time I pull the tank to change the antifreeze. All in all, platinum plugs are probably not worth the added cost on a PC. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Selden Deemer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:54:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: Jacket for HOT weather "Desmond Cockburn" writes: > The only way to stay cool on a bike is to sweat, sorry ladies, > perspire. With the fairing and windshield you are going to get most > of the moving air up the sleeves or maybe into some sort of chest > vent or front shoulder vent. The exhaust, with the evaporated > perspiration, will either vent up the neck or out an upper back > vent. Works just like the old evaporative coolers.... > > Crazy as it looks, wearing a jacket in the heat of summer, > this is about the only way to really stay cool. Not crazy at all. Even better is to wear a long-sleeve t-shirt. Soak it in water at a rest stop, then put it back on, put your *vented* jacket over it, and ride until the shirt dries. Repeat. This worked well for me in the arid west and Mexico; not so well in the humid east; worse than nothing when stopped. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Selden Deemer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 09:51:07 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: Thomas Ongstad CC: PC list Subject: Re: PC800: headlight Thomas Ongstad wrote: > Hey guys. > > Question time. I am about to put the new Kisan pathblazer in. The > Honda PC service manual says to remove the windshild etc. Too much > work. > > I can get too the dust cover and the headlight connector from underneith > the front of the bike. My questions are; > does the connector twist to come out with the bulb? Is seems to want to > come straight out but is being held by something after a short tug. > Straight out? > Is there a tab that has to be released to get it out? > Is this wise or do I have to go through the hoops of taking the > windshield, et al out? > I may have miss read this post. If you want to take the bulb out, take a mirror and a flashlight and you will be able to look up from underneath and see to release the clip that holds the bulb in. I have big hands and I can unplug it by turning the bars to the side. The motion to release the clip is kinda push the little round end on the clip toward the front of the bike and in toward the center of the bulb at the same time. With the mirror you should be able to see what you need to do. If you only want to unplug the wiring from the bulb and leave the bulb in place, the plug just slides straight off the back of the bulb, with a little wiggle. It is a tight fit. Hope I didn't cause a problem. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 IBA, 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vic Brunamonti" To: Subject: PC800: 98 PC800 For Sale Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:53:05 -0500 Importance: Normal I have a 1998 Honda Pacific Coast PC800 for sale for $6250. The bike was purchased in June of 1998 and has 2500 adult miles. The bike has no modifications, synthetic fluids, a cover, Joe Rocket riding jacket (medium), Cruise Control (not installed), and over 2 years remaining on the Honda warranty. Minor scratches on right side lower covers, where it fell over in the driveway once. No other problems, just decided to go back to a Miata (4 wheels) as a toy, after trying a motorcycle after nearly 20 years without one. The bike is located in southern Indiana. I would consider delivering within a few hundred miles (one last ride). Contact me at rotary@viaduct.custom.net or 812-384-8736. Thanks, Vic... -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bill Jackman" To: Subject: PC800: PC800 bikes for sale Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:23:26 -0600 Wow, they're dropping like flies! Not having been on the list for a full = year yet, I'm wondering from some of the long time listers if this is a = common occurrence each spring. Any thoughts? Bill Jackman 89~25k & keeping it -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 11:39:53 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Headlight finished Hi again guys (and gals). I want to thank all who helped me with trying to put in the Kisan Pathblazer. I don't think I was very clear, and I apoligize, about what I needed to do, which was to just unplug the light from the connector. Unfortunately the Honda Service manual was just about useless so I really did not know what I was getting into ("Remove light bulb from headlight housing" how is that for helpful, sheesh, no mention at all about the spring clip). I thought I had to remove the bulb and all to separate the connector from the bulb, not true. If I had known I could pull the connector from the bulb without removing the bulb and without damaging the whole thing, I might have tried harder. But I couldn't budge the damn thing and my hands did not have room to move much. I finally tore down the top to get to the light. Even then, you cannot see the spring clip. Actually I did get the clip loose from underneith but not knowing (until later) that the clip only releases from one side, I bent it up pretty good trying to remove it. Finally got the bulb removed from the connector (good God, that thing was in their tight), put the Kisan in, and tried to put it all back in from underneith. This was when I determined that I had bent the spring wire so bad that I had to take the top parts off to fix things up. I wish I had thought of the very good idea given to me later of using a mirror (dumb, dumb, dumb). Getting a view of what to do would have helped a lot. Worse is you cannot see where the clip goes from up top either. Just have to use your hands as eyes (mirror would have helped here too). Bottom line is it is in and it works good. Popped a hole for the sensor, facing up, behind the fairing, on the dash. Took it for a bit of a ride yesterday, around town and down some 55mph streets and it works good so far. I can honestly say I think it helped in keeping at least 3 vehicles from pulling out in front of me and no one thought it was a cop and made any sudden moves (good, don't want to cause an accident, trying to prevent one). Also went by 2 deputy sherrifs and one city cop and nobody pulled me over. Got the little paper from Kisan with me, just in case (though I don't know if it will matter). My next door neighbor is another deputy sherrif and he told me that he thought that no cop would bother me with it. We will see. Michigan can be a little AR about lights. The change in brightness, during its flickering was surprising. Really catches the eye. And the sensor seems to work well. I like the fact that the blue high beam display on the dash flickers with the light, letting me know it works (can also see it in reflections on road signs and all). Again, thanks to all of you from this great list, in helping me out. I was really stuck. TommyTeal -- 93SE (Teal, You Think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast 98V-Star Classic (Red, you bet) GWTA #6871 GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "KILULU LODGE" To: Cc: , , , , , , , , Subject: PC800: Ron First Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:06:23 +0200 Sorry trouble with yahoo...sending from friend....not sure how much will be able to send again soon...Hi Guys! Well on my 3rd day here in Joburg I have a bit of time to set out a few first impressions. I have been staying with Denis Doo, the guy who sold me my Honda. The bike is even better than the photos and I am sure it will do just fine.I have been taking it easy as suffered more jet lag than I expected, but back to normal hours, now. Been riding around this South suburb a bit as the registration procedure has proven a bit of a task. I will no longer claim that Oz has the lock on paperwork! Yesterday at the rego office I had fellow liners in rapt conversation when I asked how you buy a car in SA if you can't take a day off work??!! And really you need 2 guys as you must wait in sequential lines so you really need a buddy to hold a place in the second one while you do the first! Luckily a minor race war did NOT break out when a big Afrikaans guy butted in front of a local black in BOTH lines,....all in all it was an amusing 3 hour experience! So I have all the papers in my name now, and today will head into Joburg to buy a helmet and a new front tire. After that I will head out of town to stay with Katja at her Kilulu Lodge where they are having a biker braaii for me and I hope to get a lot of travel advice. I have also contacted a local servas host and will stay with him a few days later. This suburb is quite interesting.....very security conscious, but no more so than in Central American countries. The most interesting phenomena is that on the grassy verges of the streets are many black males just resting. At first I thought they were waiting for pick ups, or outside the home they were working on, or maybe it was bus stops. No, they were too spread out and in too many places for that. Also they are sometimes in groups, but often solo so it's not really a social thing either. Of course I asked the first shopgirl why they were there, and did not really get a good response. Later Denis and I had a long talk about it, and still I did not feel any of the conventional answers were correct. They are not really 'casing' the houses, nor is there a realistic expectation of being picked up for casual work. Finally, after later passing by a township on the way to the testing station I felt I had the answer!Although there is a wide variety of house to shack buildings there, they are all so close and the surrounding ground so bare, windswept and inhospitable NO ONE could possibly choose to stay there during the day! So of course if a short Taxi ride can take you to a pleasant shaded piece of grass in a quiet area with lawns and interesting people riding by, why not? In fact it reminds me of the pubs in industrial UK; the punters flock there at night after work as even though they are loud and smokey they are SO much better than the bed-sit flat that so many live in ! Ah....isnt the human condition interesting! Ron Grant -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 11:52:22 -0700 (PDT) From: John La Subject: PC800: Re: lotsa PC's for sale To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Bill- Ah yes, But remember, for every PC sold, there is also a buyer! --- Bill Jackman wrote: > Wow, they're dropping like flies... _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 15:35:18 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 bikes for sale To: bjackman@lgcy.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) bjackman@lgcy.com writes: >Wow, they're dropping like flies! Not having been on the list for >a full year yet, I'm wondering from some of the long time listers >if this is a common occurrence each spring. Any thoughts? >Bill Jackman >89~25k & keeping it I trust everyone who sells their Pacific Coast is including information about this list along with the sale. Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kidbys@webtv.net (shelley kidby) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:49:55 -0700 (PDT) To: johnla@yahoo.com (John La) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: lotsa PC's for sale 11:52:22 -0700 (PDT) Amen - ya cant kill the PC with Fly swatters The rider may get disilusioned but the bike remains capable until... Jerry Kidby 90PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Smith, David E (AZ77)" To: McKeithen@aol.com, Honda Sport Touring Association Cc: PC800 Listserver Subject: PC800: RE: Body Armour Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:45:17 -0700 Bob, This January I bought a complete set (shirt and pants) set of the Actionstations armored underwear. http://www.actionstation.com/ I thought it would be great to have road-rash protection while having the flexibility of wearing whatever style outerclothing I wanted. I haven't crash tested this stuff yet, but I am much more aggressive when I go out for a weekend ride and find some really good twisties. I am certain, since this is a desert, that one of these days I will be hitting a corner hard and then find myself sliding on sand. So far I have found the Lycra breathes very well. So while moving, I don't feel myself sweating at all. A few weeks ago, the temp here was in the upper 80s and my riding partner and I stopped to stroll through an outdoor mall. After a half-hour or so I felt a little uncomfortable in the areas with large armor pieces such as elbows and back. I think I am about average when it comes to sweating, so I suspect when it gets really HOT (110 or higher), I will be treating the shirt like a jacket. In other words, taking it off whenever I stop for anything more than fuel. $360 for the set is not at all high when the alternatives are considered. David E Smith 1998 PC800 Phoenix 2700 miles -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: McKeithen@aol.com [mailto:McKeithen@aol.com] Sent: April 09, 1999 05:01 To: Honda Sport Touring Association Subject: Body Armour Anybody on the list tried Knox Body Armour? Looks like it might be a good idea for summer. Protection without the extra warmth of jacket and pants. Pros/Cons? Bob -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 19:39:53 -0400 From: Joe Beresford To: HSTA List , pc 800 list Subject: PC800: off subject...sorta --------------C890FB4A3FE3E8DA62E197A3 Well today was a long and eventfull day... I hope I'll feel strong enough for a ride tommorow... About 5 am sirens sounded and 30 minutes later disaster loomed within a mile... just north of me some folks aren't so lucky, and I feel blessed that I was sparreed but some others were not... Another reason to live each day to the fullest.. My the good lord watch over you while you sleep. just taking a moment to appreciate the friends and things I may take for granted... hope to see you on the road... 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To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 20:25:49 +1300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Richard Proctor Subject: Re: PC800: Perfect PC-so far I'd settle for putting the rotor covers back on, restoring the self-cancelling indicators and offering a range of colours. If they've stopped production they're unlikely to want a big R & D bill to bring a model back in. Richard Proctor -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PRAYINGDS@aol.com for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 09:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 09:36:43 EDT Subject: PC800: GIVI top box questions To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Friends, After searching the archives regarding the GIVI trunks, I am left with 2 questions-- Which is preferred -- the 50 liter (more room) or the 46 liter (more stylish )? Since my local dealer in unfamiliar with GIVI ("Give you what...?"), where is the best place to order? (I tried Comp. Accessories, asked for Dan, was placed on hold, left messages, never returned my calls, other salesmen quoted 2 different prices!) Thanks for any input! Dennis the minis---ter -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "KILULU LODGE" To: Cc: , , , , , , , , , Subject: PC800: Ron in SOWETO! Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:31:04 +0200 Hi! Please monitor my africa www page for further notices....not sure of sending or receive from yahoo mailbox. Will try Here is second report. Ron BE SURE to KEEP the NAME!!..... ….or the tourists are SURE to leave. That was my main thought, after a great 3 hours walking around SOWETO today. Of course I did what all suggested and gave $30 to a local tour company, but really, after we had finished I was tempted to go back on the motorcycle . Really, with one exception, I did not see an area significantly different than many I have passed through in other places like Honduras, Managua or Manila…..but Soweto HAS the reputation! Actually the main difference was that after I would give a pleasant hello, the local householder would come out for a chat , and address me in perfect English! Even in Kingston, Jamaica they could not really speak in as well a dialect free tense. The only new aspect of the worst of the squatter dwellings was certainly the intimate closeness of the neighbors. When I asked one lady why the government supplied Port-a-Pottie was on HER property, she simply pointed out that her plot was the only one large enough to locate it on! I was a bit intrigued by another piece of machinery in her yard, a really well kept 20 year old Mercedes with white wall tires! Truly though, these were not great dwellings, and with bare tin sheet roof and sides would be rather uncomfortable in the heat of summer. They had told me that for the poorest people a beer is sold in cardboard cartons, but was rumored to be so vile to drink that no one could tell me what it was like. As we passed a local "shibeen’ or bar I spotted the ad for it on the wall, so nipped in for a quick purchase. Well of course this bold move resulted in a LOT of local interest, and I was immediately surrounded by the early drinkers in the area wanting to know if I really liked it. I’m sure the photo of my guzzling on the ‘box’ flanked by my two new, but very unstable appearing drinking buddies will make a worthwhile addition to my next album! In fact it tasted not unlike the ‘toddy’ made from coconut tree secretions in Kiribati! Our tour continued on to the more upmarket areas of the township, where in close proximity are Winnie Mandela and Desmond Tutu houses. Both were well guarded by electric fence and TV cameras, and neither subscribe to the Real Estate adage that you should never build the best house in the area, for maximum resale value. At the monument to commemorate the 1976 student uprisings against Afrikaans language instruction I had a long chat with a local entrepreneur. He was a mid 20-ish semi nerdy looking local who told me that he had given up half way through an electrician’s apprenticeship to sell curios. When I remarked that with all the stories of high unemployment , that the abandonment of such a secure career path seemed a strange choice, he said I talked just like his mother! He had even been sent to the UK for work experience by his employer, so he had obviously proven a skill at electrical work. He assured me that with the two souvenir ‘tables’ he had in Soweto he would soon outstrip an electricians wage. I did notice that for the 600-800 tourists a day they get at that area, the mere 10 or so stands was a surpassingly low number that would seem to ensure good sales. So that was Soweto, a fun day with lots of chat to numerous friendly locals. I also had a lucky chance encounter that may help pave my way through the S. Africa countryside. By luck we encountered a local bus loading up with supporters heading for the ANC Rally, the election is only 3 weeks away. I begged 2 nice big ANC decals, which I will install on either side of my gas tank! With over 70% support I suspect they will raise a number of smiles as I pull into gas stations on my trip. A did , though, have a BIG shock today, but it was NOT while in Soweto. While I was riding through the upmarket suburbs on the way to the Hyatt hotel pick up, I saw something I had not seen since California in 1988. At a traffic light was a woman with a poorly worded sign, asking for money to feed her 3 kids. Oh well, I thought, not too surprising. Then came the shocker! On the next 3 corner, I saw 3 more such cardboard sign beggars…..but these were all WHITE men! This was definitely NOT something I expected to find here, white beggars outnumbering black by a 3 to 1 ratio! I must ask some more questions about this to see if I can come up with some reasons. A few more observations while they are on my mind. Riding in Joburg is a bit tough. The drivers are very aggressive and pass you in your lane if you move any distance left of center, and proceed at a slower than their preferred pace. Got to watch for that. Also a few curiosities. The license plates here all have GP to identify Gautang Province, but all the locals refer to it as Gangster Paradise! A cell phone here is called a Joburg earring. Virtually no one is without! The latest places the phone in pocket with a single ear fitting and hanging mike for hands free communication. Tonight I am off to Pretoria for my hosts brother’s 40th birthday, then early Sunday going for a morning bike ride out into the countryside with the VFR Honda club. Looking forward to some rural roads. I suspect these posts will soon become very irregular as it looks like there may be few computers as I head for Kruger park area and the Zimbabwe Monument. Don’t be too alarmed if a few weeks pass without contact. I had trouble with my yahoo account so am sending this from Kilulu lodge where I am staying with VFR club president, Katja. She is of German descent, from Namibia, and has given me a bunch of great tips on travel there. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Imapcrider@aol.com for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 15:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 15:32:22 EDT Subject: PC800: Made it! 200,000 miles! To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hi group. I got back a couple of days ago. Would have been home sooner but got in snowstorms Colorado and icestorms in Wyoming. Hand to hold up for a day or two until thing thawed a bit. The weather was a lot better towards the Southeast so I headed that way once it was warm enough to travel. After turning south in I-65 just past Louisville the magic moment came at last: the odometer rolled over for the second time. Two hundred thousand miles. I took a picture of my speedometer and just sat on the side of the freeway for a moment taking it in. Then after a few minutes, I just fired up my faithful bike and went on my way. I had really planned on some sort of celebration when the bike hit 200K, but ah, what's the big deal really? The fact that I have made 200 thou on my PC without a serious accident or mechanical breakdown can be attributed to the Lord for the former and good ol' Jap craftsmanship for the latter. The bike seems to act like it's ready for more so, what the hell, if 200K is good, maybe 300K is better. If I get started in a week or so, I should have it by summer of 2001. I will keep everyone posted. Until then, see you on the highways! Dave Little '94 PC800 201,180 mi -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 14:39:12 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: PRAYINGDS@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: GIVI top box questions PRAYINGDS@aol.com wrote: > Friends, > > After searching the archives regarding the GIVI trunks, I am left with 2 > questions-- > > Which is preferred -- the 50 liter (more room) or the 46 liter (more stylish > )? > > Since my local dealer in unfamiliar with GIVI ("Give you what...?"), where > is the best place to order? (I tried Comp. Accessories, asked for Dan, was > placed on hold, left messages, never returned my calls, other salesmen quoted > 2 different prices!) > > Thanks for any input! > > Dennis the minis---ter > Mister Wilson with a reply. I went for the stylish one with the built in brake light. The 46 ltr. You can also add a neat looking wing across the top of the 50 ltr for a brake light. That is a GIVI item also. It has LED lights. My old box has 2 wires to plug and unplug for the brake lights but the new ones have a connector built into the base plate and the bottom of the bag so it connects itself when you attach the bag. Neat. My local dealer has ordered a few of these and is familiar if you want their number. They close at 2:00 on saturdays but will be open Monday Morn. Dennis, you're such a pest. :-} -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 IBA, 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: Made it! 200,000 miles! Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 23:03:31 +0100 Congratulations Dave! I have done 3,400 miles so far since getting it in Sep. '98 Will have to catch up with you one of these days ;-) Job Sussex Coast ---------- > From: Imapcrider@aol.com > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: Made it! 200,000 miles! > Date: Saturday, April 10, 1999 8:32 PM > > Hi group. I got back a couple of days ago. Would have been home sooner but > got in snowstorms Colorado and icestorms in Wyoming. Hand to hold up for a > day or two until thing thawed a bit. The weather was a lot better towards the > Southeast so I headed that way once it was warm enough to travel. After > turning south in I-65 just past Louisville the magic moment came at last: the > odometer rolled over for the second time. Two hundred thousand miles. I took > a picture of my speedometer and just sat on the side of the freeway for a > moment taking it in. Then after a few minutes, I just fired up my faithful > bike and went on my way. I had really planned on some sort of celebration > when the bike hit 200K, but ah, what's the big deal really? The fact that I > have made 200 thou on my PC without a serious accident or mechanical > breakdown can be attributed to the Lord for the former and good ol' Jap > craftsmanship for the latter. The bike seems to act like it's ready for more > so, what the hell, if 200K is good, maybe 300K is better. If I get started in > a week or so, I should have it by summer of 2001. I will keep everyone > posted. Until then, see you on the highways! > > Dave Little > '94 PC800 > 201,180 mi > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. id RAA68800 (8.9.1/50); Sat, 10 Apr 1999 17:09:57 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 17:05:38 -0500 Subject: Re: PC800: Made it! 200,000 miles! From: "Rich Gross" To: Imapcrider@aol.com, pc800 > After turning south in I-65 just past Louisville the magic moment came > at last: the odometer rolled over for the second time. Two hundred > thousand miles. Damn, I'm impressed. So - like they do when someone turns 100 years old... what are the secrets to keeping the PC800 reliable and running well over such along haul? Rich Madison, WI 1994 PC800: Jetson -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D7VJU6PK; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:17:49 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:18:15 -0400 Subject: PC800: Accessories From: Harvey P Sattin I ordered the Kriss headlight modulator from Kriss yesterday. Today I ordered the Backoff tail light flasher and a new H4 superbright bulb from Sport Touring Accessories. Has anyone bought the blind spot mirrors from STA? I was considering them but I thought I'd ask here for comments on them before making that purchase. Harvey Sattin Getting cold again in Brookline, MA '98 PC800, "Rhonda", 1480 miles ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sat, 10 Apr 1999 19:46:19 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jim Alexander" To: "Steve Wilson" , Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: GIVI top box questions Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 16:45:52 -0700 I would second Steve comments about the E460. I also have the built-in brake light and it is great. Very noticeable and on my ST1100 right at eye level for the cagers in back of me. The connector Steve talks about it great. No unplugging, just turn the key, pop the button and remove the case. Givi makes a quality product. I got mine from Road Rider motorcycle accessories in San Jose California. I was quoted the same price there as I was given at Comp. Accessories ... I also never got a call back from Dan. I guess he is just too busy now! The 4 liter difference between the two is not that much when you look inside. The E460 is taller, but not as wide. I carry a piece of medical equipment (Bi-PAP for sleep apnea), so the extra height was better for me. Just my .02, YMMV -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Steve Wilson To: PRAYINGDS@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Saturday, April 10, 1999 12:39 PM Subject: Re: PC800: GIVI top box questions >PRAYINGDS@aol.com wrote: > >> Friends, >> >> After searching the archives regarding the GIVI trunks, I am left with 2 >> questions-- >> >> Which is preferred -- the 50 liter (more room) or the 46 liter (more stylish >> )? >> >> Since my local dealer in unfamiliar with GIVI ("Give you what...?"), where >> is the best place to order? (I tried Comp. Accessories, asked for Dan, was >> placed on hold, left messages, never returned my calls, other salesmen quoted >> 2 different prices!) >> >> Thanks for any input! >> >> Dennis the minis---ter >> > >Mister Wilson with a reply. >I went for the stylish one with the built in brake light. The 46 ltr. You can >also add a neat looking wing across the top of the 50 ltr for a brake light. That >is a GIVI item also. It has LED lights. My old box has 2 wires to plug and unplug >for the brake lights but the new ones have a connector built into the base plate >and the bottom of the bag so it connects itself when you attach the bag. Neat. My >local dealer has ordered a few of these and is familiar if you want their number. >They close at 2:00 on saturdays but will be open Monday Morn. Dennis, you're such >a pest. :-} > >-- >Steve Wilson Ruston LA. > >Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care > >Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer > 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck > >Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 > IBA, 7/98 SS1000 > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Arvid_L=F8vik?=" To: , "Harvey P Sattin" Subject: Re: PC800: Accessories Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 03:00:33 +0200 Has anyone bought the blind spot >mirrors from STA? I was considering them but I thought I'd ask here for >comments on them before making that purchase. > >Harvey Sattin I have some small (about 2 "circle) on my 89 and they are a big help. Even the PC's mirrors are large and cover a large area, the blind spot are still there. Recommended 100% Arvid -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Arvid_L=F8vik?=" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: Made it! 200,000 miles! Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 03:22:08 +0200 Congratulations to Dave and Honda with the 200k miles !!! I know I did something right when I got the bikes last year, just by lurking in this group and reading all the positive stuff about the bike!! Remember that I did not like it at all when I saw it one time in 1994. It looked like a suped up scooter. But it has grown on Me and just as the ugly ducling has become a swane....... I love it now and it serves all My (and the family's) needs for a touring MC. With the mileage I have been doing since August last year, about 4000 on mine and 1700 on Torill's I will have many years to enjoy before even reaching the first 100k's. There where some fine days at easter and We where riding with some new friends from the UK. He visited My homepage and told me he was to be staying in Stavanger for the next 3 Years, working for NATO.He has a ST 1100 and a Flexit sidecar. I hgope tehere will be many more trips during the season with them, as they will like to experience the country by bike as much as possible . The PV 800 and Guzzi Rally in May are now coming together. I have got a lot of mails from foreigners coming, but not got any conformations from PC riders yet. I do hope some will show up !!! It's still not to late to book a flight from the US and bringing the bike with You on the same flight !!!!!!! DAVE One more time :CONGRATULATION !!! Arvid Norway -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Arvid_L=F8vik?=" To: "PC 800 Club" Subject: PC800: Slepping...........No,Spelling!!!! Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 03:28:11 +0200 Why am I always embarrassed when I'm reading my posts after it's too = late to get them back!!!! Why does not My spell check work every time ?????? Sorry !!!! arvid -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (SMTPD32-5.01) id A1A412C00E6; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 21:06:12 MST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 20:12:07 -0700 Subject: Re: PC800: GIVI top box questions From: "Bruce Haag" To: PRAYINGDS@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Dennis the minister wrote: > >After searching the archives regarding the GIVI trunks, I am left with 2 >questions-- > >Which is preferred -- the 50 liter (more room) or the 46 liter (more stylish >)? > I have the 50 liter in the color-matched red ( a close match) and it looks great. Go for the larger capacity. Bruce Haag '96 PC800 Campbell CA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sat, 10 Apr 1999 23:35:22 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Randy Ashurst" To: Subject: PC800: Re: PC800, the brakes and doing headlight adjustment Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 23:33:14 -0400 X-MailServer: Eureka! Gold Internet Server (v2.4 Build 1033) Hi Listers, I noticed tonight that when riding with my wife the headlights are up too high. Is there a quick way a knob somewhere to bring it down a bit? And with 27k mi and the original brakes what's a good brake replacement for the front and rear? Anyone found ready made braided or teflon lines for the PC. Or had them made? Thanks for any info and ideas. Randy Ashurst Brunswick, GA 89 PC800 90 VX800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sat, 10 Apr 1999 23:38:17 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Randy Ashurst" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Clearview Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 23:36:08 -0400 X-MailServer: Eureka! Gold Internet Server (v2.4 Build 1033) I've been following all these satisfied customers who have bought Clearview wind shields for the PC. Does Clearview have a website? OR the phone numbers. grazi Randy Ashurst -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D7V49TQ2; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 23:39:18 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: lovik@writeme.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 23:39:35 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Accessories From: Harvey P Sattin Arvid, I was asking about those special mirrors from STA that mount below the stock mirrors. I've even seen some that mount on the windshield, up high... I'd probably break those. But I have thought about the small stick-on type. If I do get the stick-on type, what's the best position on the surface of the mirror to stick them on? I'd hate to lose any of the visibility I have now. Harvey Sattin Still too cold, in Brookline, MA '98 PC800 >I have some small (about 2 "circle) on my 89 and they are a big help. >Even >the PC's mirrors are large and cover a large area, the blind spot are >still there. >Recommended 100% > >Arvid ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 01:14:35 -0400 To: "Randy Ashurst" , From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Clearview At 11:36 PM -0400 4/10/99, Randy Ashurst wrote: >I've been following all these satisfied customers who have bought Clearview >wind shields for the PC. Wow! So that was you behind me the other day! Man, you must have alot of miles on your PC if you have been following all of us! Does Clearview have a website? OR the phone >numbers. > You can email Craig at Clearview@bewellnet.com . He checks from time to time, but not every day. Or, you can also get the shield from Sport Touring Accessories (for the same price), who is on the net at http://www.dnet.net/~pemble . Rob and Leslie carry the Clearview screens in inventory. I'm not sure if the size you want is one of them but it is worth a try. Their 800 number is on the Web page. Good luck. fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 00:13:35 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Imapcrider@aol.com CC: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Made it! 200,000 miles! Hi Dave, Imapcrider@aol.com wrote: > After > turning south in I-65 just past Louisville the magic moment came at last: the > odometer rolled over for the second time. Two hundred thousand miles. > Dave Little > '94 PC800 > 201,180 mi Yesss!!! Ride, Dave, Ride!!! Way to go!!! -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 128,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kidbys@webtv.net (shelley kidby) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 03:08:50 -0700 (PDT) To: n1php@juno.com (Harvey P Sattin) Cc: lovik@writeme.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Accessories 23:39:35 -0400 --WebTV-Mail-2074482885-6266 ahah - a topic that deals w/what I do! Jerry Kidby 90PC 1 XPKUP 45000 mi Freightliners 2.5 MILLION miles where do you look in your main mirror to get to the blind spot? (then find the blind spot out of view!) that is exactly where you want your convex stick on mirror - doesnt matter what vehicle you drive, 2, 4, 18, 28 wheel - object is to optically remove the blind spot' --WebTV-Mail-2074482885-6266 postoffice-231.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 20:40:19 -0700 (PDT) mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id UAA05534; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 20:40:17 -0700 (PDT) lisa.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAC29895; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 22:40:16 -0500 (CDT) D7V49TQ2; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 23:39:18 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: lovik@writeme.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 23:39:35 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Accessories From: Harvey P Sattin Arvid, I was asking about those special mirrors from STA that mount below the stock mirrors. I've even seen some that mount on the windshield, up high... I'd probably break those. But I have thought about the small stick-on type. If I do get the stick-on type, what's the best position on the surface of the mirror to stick them on? I'd hate to lose any of the visibility I have now. Harvey Sattin Still too cold, in Brookline, MA '98 PC800 >I have some small (about 2 "circle) on my 89 and they are a big help. >Even >the PC's mirrors are large and cover a large area, the blind spot are >still there. >Recommended 100% > >Arvid ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. --WebTV-Mail-2074482885-6266-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 08:15:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Selden Deemer To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: PC800, the brakes and doing headlight adjustment * From: " Randy Ashurst writes: > I noticed tonight that when riding with my wife the headlights are > up too high. Is there a quick way a knob somewhere to bring it down > a bit? And with 27k mi and the original brakes what's a good brake > replacement for the front and rear? Anyone found ready made braided > or teflon lines for the PC. Or had them made? Question: Have you increased the preload on the left rear shock to compensate for the weight of a passenger? This is a lot easier than re-aiming the headlight. Adjusting the headlight aim is both harder and easier than you might expect. The hard part is that it's very difficult to see what you are doing with all the plastic in place. The easy part is that Honda has designed two geared adjuster wheels, which mesh with a philips screwdriver tip, much as the pinion gear on the driveshaft meshes with the ring gear. The upper wheel (on the right side of the back of the headlight housing) is for horizontal (left/right) adjustments. The lower wheel (bottom left) is for vertical (up/down). It's all perfectly clear if you have a shop manual for reference, but a little hard to visualize if not. Adjustment Vertical Horizontal ===================== ======== ========== Turn clockwise Down Right Turn counterclockwise Up Left Re brakes, you need to disassemble things and see if they're really worn. The front pads may be, but unless you have bad braking habits, the shoes on the rear brake probably have quite a bit of life left. I used EBC pads on my first PC, and they were both cheaper and bit harder than Honda OEM pads. I would argue that frequent changes of brake fluid (annually in damp climates) are more important to good brake feel than SS brake lines. Cheaper too (as long as you don't spill brake fluid on the bodywork). Cover the areas below the brake and clutch reservoirs with plastic film and shop towels to make it absolutely impossible to have spill accidents. A brake fluid spill can easily do $1000 worth of damage to PC body parts. A friend had such an obvious suggestion about brake fluid changes that I'm amazed I never thought of it in 30 years of maintaining vehicles. Suck out as much old fluid as possible from the brake fluid reservoir with a small syringe *before* bleeding the brake lines. Then fill the reservoir with fresh brake fluid. You don't want to suck it dry and risk introducing air bubbles, but the less old fluid remains in the reservoir, the less pumping you have to do to flush the old fluid from the brake lines. Bleeding is easier if you have a partner; otherwise, you might think about investing in a set of "Speedbleeders." These are one-way check valves that replace the stock bleeders. I've seen them at auto parts stores for about $15. Instead of open/pump/close; repeat, it's open/pump/pump/pump/pump/close. See: http://www.speedbleeder.com/ A useful little animated GIF shows how it works. Changing both the brake and clutch fluids on a PC should use up no more than a half can of brake fluid. Always buy a new can; save the old one, and use it as a catch reservoir for the expelled fluid. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Selden Deemer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 08:20:29 -0400 From: dana sawyer Subject: PC800: Batchin' it... To: HondaPacificCoastOwners , HSTA Postings to List The Olde Fossil is flying solo at home, maintaining the museum and keepin= g the zoo's occupants happy. Lynn and Laura left last Friday for Holland! Last year Laura was invited over to Holland to teach at a university, and= took one of her students from James Madison University with her. This yea= r Lynn opted for the trip, and they arrived safe and sound Saturday, They will be back next Sunday. In the meantime, I am keeping the home fires burning and the Pacific Coast polished! Met some local motorcyclists yesterday noon for barbecue at a charity benefit for the Carolina Children's Home, then went for a short ride to Kensington, a restored pre-Civil War mansion in Eastover. A great day! Tomorrow I think I'll tak= e a spin up to the Blue Ridge Parkway and get some pure mountain air into t= he bike's carbs! Wish me luck! I hope to see some of you at STAR '99 in June= . In the meantime, y'all be real careful out there! Dana Sawyer -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: FW: PC800: Re: PC800, the brakes and doing headlight adjustment Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 08:30:34 -0400 Good advice. Also, if you should spill brake fluid on the bodywork, = flush with lots of water immediately. Brake fluid (DOT3 and DOT4) are = glycols and as such are water soluble. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net http://home.naxs.com/jrandall/ -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Selden Deemer [SMTP:libssd@emory.edu] Sent: Sunday, April 11, 1999 8:15 AM To: PC 800 List Subject: PC800: Re: PC800, the brakes and doing headlight adjustment * From: " Randy Ashurst writes: > I noticed tonight that when riding with my wife the headlights are=20 > up too high. Is there a quick way a knob somewhere to bring it down=20 > a bit? And with 27k mi and the original brakes what's a good brake > replacement for the front and rear? Anyone found ready made braided=20 > or teflon lines for the PC. Or had them made? Question: Have you increased the preload on the left rear shock to compensate for the weight of a passenger? This is a lot easier than re-aiming the headlight. Adjusting the headlight aim is both harder and easier than you might expect. The hard part is that it's very difficult to see what you are doing with all the plastic in place. The easy part is that Honda has=20 designed two geared adjuster wheels, which mesh with a philips=20 screwdriver tip, much as the pinion gear on the driveshaft meshes=20 with the ring gear. The upper wheel (on the right side of the back of the headlight housing) = is for horizontal (left/right) adjustments. The lower wheel (bottom = left)=20 is for vertical (up/down). It's all perfectly clear if you have a shop=20 manual for reference, but a little hard to visualize if not. Adjustment Vertical Horizontal =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Turn clockwise Down Right Turn counterclockwise Up Left Re brakes, you need to disassemble things and see if they're really worn. The front pads may be, but unless you have bad braking habits, the shoes on the rear brake probably have quite a bit of life left.=20 I used EBC pads on my first PC, and they were both cheaper and bit=20 harder than Honda OEM pads. I would argue that frequent changes of brake fluid (annually in damp=20 climates) are more important to good brake feel than SS brake lines.=20 Cheaper too (as long as you don't spill brake fluid on the bodywork).=20 Cover the areas below the brake and clutch reservoirs with plastic=20 film and shop towels to make it absolutely impossible to have spill=20 accidents. A brake fluid spill can easily do $1000 worth of damage to PC body parts. A friend had such an obvious suggestion about brake fluid changes that=20 I'm amazed I never thought of it in 30 years of maintaining vehicles.=20 Suck out as much old fluid as possible from the brake fluid reservoir=20 with a small syringe *before* bleeding the brake lines. Then fill the reservoir with fresh brake fluid. You don't want to suck it dry and=20 risk introducing air bubbles, but the less old fluid remains in the=20 reservoir, the less pumping you have to do to flush the old fluid=20 from the brake lines.=20 Bleeding is easier if you have a partner; otherwise, you might think=20 about investing in a set of "Speedbleeders." These are one-way check=20 valves that replace the stock bleeders. I've seen them at auto parts=20 stores for about $15. Instead of open/pump/close; repeat, it's open/pump/pump/pump/pump/close. See: http://www.speedbleeder.com/ A useful little animated GIF shows how it works. Changing both the brake and clutch fluids on a PC should use up no=20 more than a half can of brake fluid. Always buy a new can; save the old one, and use it as a catch reservoir for the expelled fluid. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Selden Deemer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PRAYINGDS@aol.com for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 08:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 08:57:36 EDT Subject: PC800: *GiVi, Clearview, top 10 PC800 tips* To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu PC800 brethren and sistern, I have several items of interest to most or all -- 1. After wrestling with the GiVi top box choices, I have settled on the 50 liter box. (Thanks to all who gave valuable input!) My decision was based on my mild phobia of not packing enough for a trip (so I pack extra) and a mistake in the Competition Accessories spring catalog. They show a red 50 liter case for $196. Turns out that the red case is actually $ 229, but I was able to persuade the sales person to sell at the "advertised" price -- although it took 15 minutes of crying and pleading (We preachers seem to get a lot of practice doing such things!). 2. Along with a number of you, I also purchased a Clearview windshield several weeks ago. Unfortunately, I returned mine because the curvature was not truly symmetrical. When I installed it, one side of the top was noticeably lower than the other -- nothing serious, but annoying. When I remounted it in an attempt to make the top even, one side of the windshield mashed against the fairing trim pretty good. Thus I returned it. Sport Touring Accessories made no complaint and promptly refunded my money. I do recommend them as they have a ridiculously low shipping charge and are always friendly. Instead of requesting another windshield, I opted to order the Rifle windshield, 27 inches (custom length). Because I almost exclusively wear a 3/4 helmet, wind noise has always been somewhat of a problem unless I look through a windshield (Stealth edging helps, but not much in crosswinds or behind traffic!) . While this poses a problem in rain, I am working on a "cushion" that I can pull out during rainy riding that will elevate me about 1 1/2 inches -- enough to look just over the shield. I will let you all know how this works out. 3. I would like to compile a list of the top 10 tips to improve the PC800 riding experience. This is not a "theory" list, but actual modifications or additions experienced riders have made to improve the PC800 in some way. If you would be so kind to email your best tips, I will save and tabulate them during the next few weeks. I will publish the top 10 tips at the beginning of May. (If this has already been done and is published, someone let me know and I will save all of us a lot of time!) As an example, I read a great tip from Steve Wilson about making the handlebars far more adjustable by the simple addition of a bar clamp (Honda part # 53131-MR5-000 Holder) directly under the bars. This allows far greater adjustability and makes the PC800 noticeably more comfortable for me. (Caveat -- you have to grind the key down to still fit in the ignition, but it works fine -- thanks Steve!) So, put your thinking caps on and share your best PC 800 "secrets"! God bless all and give everyone a safe ride in '99! Dennis the minis---ter '90 PC800 10K miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ROBJHALL@aol.com for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:05:39 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: Clearview cosmetics & 89 4 Sale To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Coasters: I installed my Clearview + 2 yesterday. Thanks for all the installation advice. It was a very easy job. I do have one question, since the clearview does not have the black trim w/ Honda logo at the base how are people dealing with the cosmetic question of seing the rubber padding through the windshield from the outside? I'm usually not a stickler for this stuff, I'm trying to sell the bike and it looks like Shi*! Speaking of which yes my 89 is for sale. No I'm not abadoning the PC, I bought a new 96 last year Bike has 43K on it Back rest new rubber new Clearview +2 Trunk lights mud flap. The bike is located just outside Raleigh NC. I have all records (stator replaced at 30K) and am the only owner. Reply to Rob off list. Rob Cary NC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 11:33:24 -0300 To: Imapcrider@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: Made it! 200,000 miles! Dave, I'd be honoured to have your maintenance and repair data in the PC public repair and maint database at http://noc.dal.ca/~daniel/pc-maint/ If you need a hand formatting the data, drop me a line. -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 11:36:13 -0300 To: "Rich Gross" , Imapcrider@aol.com, pc800 From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: Made it! 200,000 miles! Rich: >So - like they do when someone turns 100 years old... what are >the secrets to keeping the PC800 reliable and running well over >such along haul? After spending some time with the PC maint and repair data at http://noc.dal.ca/~daniel/pc-maint/ I'm going to guess that the "secrets" are: - ride the bike!!! a lot!! long trips, and lots of them, - change the oil using some reasonable schedule, - don't wreck the bike in an accident, and - don't sell it. Very few of these bikes fail for mechanical reasons -- engine, transmission and drive failures are very very rare. That leaves maintenance items, which on the PC are pretty standard for motorcycle maintenance. The other routine maintenance items should be done too but IMHO the most important one is oil changes. But most importantly, RIDE!! Most of the people who obsess about maintenanace and getting exactly the right oil and a certain number of spline changes in the final blah blah, to help their bike last longer -- are spendin time fooling with their bikes, and not out on the road. -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:21:39 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jim Alexander" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: Clearview cosmetics & 89 4 Sale Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 08:41:45 -0700 The black trim piece is available for the windscreen for about $ to $5 dollars and is now put on the windscreens. If you want one, you can call Clearview in Colorado and purchase one for it. I did not have one on my PC, but it never bothered me. I thought about getting the trim piece, but I decided it wasn't worth the price. -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ROBJHALL@aol.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sunday, April 11, 1999 7:07 AM Subject: Re: PC800: Clearview cosmetics & 89 4 Sale >Coasters: > >I installed my Clearview + 2 yesterday. Thanks for all the installation >advice. It was a very easy job. > >I do have one question, since the clearview does not have the black trim w/ >Honda logo at the base how are people dealing with the cosmetic question of >seing the rubber padding through the windshield from the outside? I'm >usually not a stickler for this stuff, I'm trying to sell the bike and it >looks like Shi*! > >Speaking of which yes my 89 is for sale. No I'm not abadoning the PC, I >bought a new 96 last year > >Bike has 43K on it >Back rest >new rubber >new Clearview +2 >Trunk lights >mud flap. > >The bike is located just outside Raleigh NC. I have all records (stator >replaced at 30K) and am the only owner. Reply to Rob off list. > >Rob >Cary NC >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sun, 11 Apr 1999 11:05:56 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "ANN & JD HALL" To: Subject: PC800: Greetings from members.tripod.com/~pc800 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 13:56:49 -0400 J.D. HALL ROANOKE, VA 24019 HALL_ANN_JD@JUNO.COM RED PC 800 1996 BOUGHT NEW IN 98 LESS THAN 2000 MI. SISSY BAR 2 YEARS OF FACTORY WARRENTY REMAINING FOR SALE $5995 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 00:16:33 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Rich Gross CC: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Made it! 200,000 miles! Hi Rich, Rich Gross wrote: > Damn, I'm impressed. > > So - like they do when someone turns 100 years old... what are > the secrets to keeping the PC800 reliable and running well over > such along haul? This is Dave's moment so PMFJI but basically, just do the maintenance Honda recommends. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 128,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 11:42:48 -0400 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Randy Ashurst CC: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Re: PC800, the brakes and doing headlight adjustment Hi Randy, Randy Ashurst wrote: > Hi Listers, I noticed tonight that when riding with my wife the headlights > are up too high. Is there a quick way a knob somewhere to bring it down a > bit? And with 27k mi and the original brakes what's a good brake > replacement for the front and rear? Anyone found ready made braided or > teflon lines for the PC. Or had them made? I too have the problem with the headlight rising when riding two up. Haven't tried to adjust the light. There is no knob that I know of (I think the Gold Wing has one but as far as I know the PC does not). Regarding brakes, are you sure you need them? I haven't done anything to mine yet except occasionally adjust the rear. My front pads are now ready to be replaced after all these miles. My mechanic suggested staying away from aftermarket pads as not being as good quality as what Honda puts out. I will get the Honda parts. Rear still has much of the shoe left so I will wait to replace it. Always buy Honda parts so can't help you with the lines question. Good luck. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 128,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2.1b3); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 15:07:38 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Perfect PC--Take 2 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:07:43 -0400 From: To: "Ralph Couey" , "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" It would be nice if there were some way for all of us to sign the letter, either physically or electronicly, so he knows how many people are involved. -- Jim Hart "He who gives up liberty for security ends up with neither." - Benjamin Franklin -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2.1b3); Sun, 11 Apr 1999 15:07:40 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Perfect PC-so far Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:07:45 -0400 From: To: "Pacific Coast List" Richard Proctor, rproctor@clear.net.nz writes: >I'd settle for putting the rotor covers back on, restoring the >self-cancelling indicators and offering a range of colours. > >If they've stopped production they're unlikely to want a big R & D bill to >bring a model back in. True. But there have to be enough changes to make the bike sell better. Isn't there a market for a sport-tourer that's smaller than ST1100/Concours/R1100? If all the messages and articles about adding bags and a windshield to ......(fill in the blank) are any evidence, then there is. The PC needs more "sport" in the mix. BTW, I forgot an important suggestion: disk brake in the back. -- Jim Hart "He who gives up liberty for security ends up with neither." - Benjamin Franklin -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 15:34:46 -0700 From: Bob Ronecker To: Arvid =?iso-8859-1?Q?L=F8vik?= CC: Imapcrider@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Made it! 200,000 miles! Dave, have you thought about writing Honda about the miles of smiles so many PC owners are getting ? When I tell people at work about the kind of miles some owners get without major repairs , they don't believe me. Bob Ronecker -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TimCNY@aol.com for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:53:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:53:25 EDT Subject: PC800: Under a New Name To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hi everyone, I'm back on the list under a new email address because the ISP for my old address is having some weekend problems. I can only get out to a few address and nobody can get mail to me at the old address. Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Kari Jackman" To: , "Ralph Couey" , Subject: Re: PC800: Perfect PC--Take 2 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:23:13 -0600 -----Original Message----- >It would be nice if there were some way for all of us to sign the letter, >either physically or electronicly, so he knows how many people are >involved. I would hate to overwhelm Ralph with email without his blessing on the idea, but we could send our name & bike year only, directly to Ralph and he could attach our "name emails" if he is sending the letter electroniclly. Bill Jackman 89~25k -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 15:46:33 -0700 (PDT) From: John La Subject: PC800: TO: Ron Grant (off topic) To: pclist Sorry listers- this is personal to Ron who most of you know is in Africa now and without reliable e-mail access. If you are the voyeristic type and are wondering what its about, he's arriving in Sunny (soggy?) Southern California in June and buying my Honda Interceptor to use during the US leg of his vacation. Hey Ron- I got the annual registration renewal today on the Interceptor. It's $47 and I think it would be a good idea for me to renew it now, since it expires in June. That way you won't be under any time pressure to do DMV work. If you want I'll just pay it and you can add the $47 to the balance. John _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Re: PC800, the brakes and doing headlight adjustment of "Sun, 11 Apr 1999 08:15:08 EDT." Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:42:43 -0500 Selden Deemer writes: > I would argue that frequent changes of brake fluid (annually in damp > climates) are more important to good brake feel than SS brake lines. > Cheaper too (as long as you don't spill brake fluid on the bodywork). I would argue that stainless steel brake lines are mostly for looks, not for performance. Also the OEM brake lines are more reliable and less likely to break. Real racers who use stainless steel brake lines replace them every year, if not sooner, because stainless steel is not as flexible as synthetic rubber reinforced with fibers. '98 PC800 '93 Infiniti G20 '84 Honda VT500 Ascot '83 Porsche 928S -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: Re: PC800, the brakes... Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 01:37:36 +0200 >>I would argue that frequent changes of brake fluid (annually in damp >>climates) are more important to good brake feel than SS brake lines. >>Cheaper too (as long as you don't spill brake fluid on the bodywork). >>I would argue that stainless steel brake lines are mostly for looks, Does anybody have better results with other (/softer) braking pads ? ___ |_ mile |\ |ossin |__urope | \|etherlands --------------------------------------------------- *Site: http://fly.to/emile *Bike: '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" *Webphone: +31 (023) 5392323 ( http://www.mediaring.com ) *ICQ: 17992318 ( http://www.icq.com ) *Email: Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RickCorwn@aol.com Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:06:02 EDT Subject: Re: PC800: Perfect PC--Take 2 To: jhart@mail.lewiston.lib.me.us, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Jim, Good idea! It might be enough to give a brief over view of the "list". Like 287 listers in 14 countries from all walks of life and one rider with over 200,000 trouble free miles (congrats Dave). Not too detailed but enough to know it's not just a few guys coming up with ideas over beers in the garage. Ride swift, ride safe Rick Corwine -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:21:10 -0400 To: "Kari Jackman" , , "Ralph Couey" , From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Perfect PC--Take 2 At 4:23 PM -0600 4/11/99, Kari Jackman wrote: >-----Original Message----- > >>It would be nice if there were some way for all of us to sign the letter, >>either physically or electronicly, so he knows how many people are >>involved. > > >I would hate to overwhelm Ralph with email without his blessing on the idea, >but we could send our name & bike year only, directly to Ralph and he could >attach our "name emails" if he is sending the letter electroniclly. > >Bill Jackman >89~25k > What about sending our names, email addresses, and the last x digits of the VIN. ? This provides some confirmation as to the validity of the issue and shows a uniqueness similar to a signature. fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:15:32 -0500 From: Ralph Couey To: Francois Saint Laurent CC: Kari Jackman , "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: Perfect PC--Take 2 Hey Gang! Whew! I'm glad I checked my e-mail. I had the letter all enveloped and ready to go, but I agree with the thought of attaching the names of those who would like to the letter. I was disappointed in myself that I didn't think of this first! To keep my mailbox from choking, let's do it this way. Those of you with last names beginning with A-F, email me by Tuesday. Those of you with last names beginning with G-N, email me Wednesday or Thursday. Those of you with last names beginning with O-T, email me Friday or Saturday Those of you with last names beginning with U-Z, email me by Sunday. I hope this works out with everybody. I don't want to logon and have my computer demanding a modem connection to Charter. I will attach a sheet to the letter with all your names as jubilant owners of PC's and will send it out sometime the week of the 18th. Thanks for your ideas and response. With any luck, maybe we'll see a new Pacific Coast some day. Warmest Regards to all, Ralph Couey Columbia, MO > > > >>It would be nice if there were some way for all of us to sign the letter, > >>either physically or electronicly, so he knows how many people are > >>involved. I would hate to overwhelm Ralph with email without his blessing on the > >>idea, > >>but we could send our name & bike year only, directly to Ralph and he could > >>attach our "name emails" if he is sending the letter electroniclly. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John & Rhoda Strode" To: "PCListServ" Subject: PC800: Oil Filters Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:58:42 -0700 Have a friend who works for John Deere and uses their oil filter = #TY22045 on his Magna & Saber. Cost is $2.79. At least that is the cost in Baker City, Or. Deere and uses=20 their oil filter #TY22045 on his Magna & Saber.
Cost is $2.79.  At least that = is the cost=20 in Baker City, Or.
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: morttis@ix.netcom.com by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id CAA07227 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 02:09:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 02:09:06 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Wanted - Clutch Horror stories About to go into my clutch on my 89. My first time in a motorcycle clutch!!!!! Please let me learn from the mistakes of others! I don't have the Honda Special tool as listed in the manual, but I have the "Motion Pro" vise grip looking tool. I'm also looking for the torque on the five Clutch Lifter Plate bolts. I think I'm missing a page in my book? Any comments would be appreciated! :) Also just finishing up a fork Rebuild! Man!, what an ordeal! I would like to corner a Honda engineer in a small room and torture Him/Her for that! There should be an easier way! Anyway' I made a nifty tool out of some PVC pipe and it worked like a charm! Is that was everyone usually does!? Sorry If you got a form of this message twice. I had some E-mail problems earlier. Just joined and I love the web site!!! Manuel Solis AKA Paco Wendy and Paco Solis -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Wanted - Clutch Horror stories Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:17:05 +0200 Welcome to the list Paco ! Sorry, no Clutch Horror stories from me. Maybe Dutch Horror stories..... ___ |_ mile |\ |ossin |__urope | \|etherlands --------------------------------------------------- *Site: http://fly.to/emile *Bike: '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" *Webphone: +31 (023) 5392323 ( http://www.mediaring.com ) *ICQ: 17992318 ( http://www.icq.com ) *Email: Emile@Cybercomm.nl -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: morttis@ix.netcom.com Aan: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Datum: maandag 12 april 1999 18:55 Onderwerp: PC800: Wanted - Clutch Horror stories About to go into my clutch on my 89. My first time in a motorcycle clutch!!!!! Please let me learn from the mistakes of others! I don't have the Honda Special tool as listed in the manual, but I have the "Motion Pro" vise grip looking tool. I'm also looking for the torque on the five Clutch Lifter Plate bolts. I think I'm missing a page in my book? Any comments would be appreciated! :) Also just finishing up a fork Rebuild! Man!, what an ordeal! I would like to corner a Honda engineer in a small room and torture Him/Her for that! There should be an easier way! Anyway' I made a nifty tool out of some PVC pipe and it worked like a charm! Is that was everyone usually does!? Sorry If you got a form of this message twice. I had some E-mail problems earlier. Just joined and I love the web site!!! Manuel Solis AKA Paco Wendy and Paco Solis -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: dwilkers@us.ibm.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 15:51:33 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Perfect PC-so far Many of the suggestions (self-cancelling indicators, rotor covers, rear disk brake, multiple color offerings) would drive the PC out of it's price-appeal range. I thought the bang-for-buck I got for my PC was its single most attractive feature. I think they could redo the rear end and be done with it. The rest of the bike looks great. Event the side profile is OK. It's the rear view that's a little too tart for me. They don't sell enought of these things to offer more than one color cost effectively, but I'd like something other than bright red myself. >From a styling standpoint, I think the PC sans rotor covers is more visually stimulating . . it's probably the only thing about the current PC that says: "MOTORCYCLE!". But I don't mean to start any flame wars. The self-cancelling indicators would be nice, but those come at a cost. I'll switch them myself. I'd think Honda'd be able to put some type of optical creasing to minimize the big-butt look. It's just a really broad swath of plain red plastic back there. It's really scary up on the center stand. I was able to ride all winter, thanks to the great wind protection (and mild Alabama weather), but it has been too hot lately. Doug Wilkerson -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John & Rhoda Strode" To: "PCListServ" Subject: PC800: Perfect PC Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 07:51:45 -0700 An increase in horse power is all I would like to see. =20 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Barrett, Chris" To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: PC800: Perfect PC Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:12:36 -0400 Here's my shot at the "Perfect PC" 1. An increase of about 10-15 horsepower. Maybe a 1000cc engine? 2. Slightly wider back tire. 3. Bigger fuel tank!! How about 7.4 gallons like the ST1100. 4. Heated grips/seat optional. 5. Adjustable headlight and windscreen. 6. Accessory plugs (one front, one back). 7. A decent CB/Stereo system, reminiscent of the Gold Wing. Honda, are you listening? Chris Barrett -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Arjan Andriessen" To: Subject: PC800: Perfect PC Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:15:33 +0200 Well about the Perfect pc. Why not ask honda to modify there Goldwing 1500 to a Plastic Wing 1000? Then the can drop the weight to a "normal " touring bike weight and still keep all the extra's you all want ? Arjan Andriessen Pc800 Skippy bike Holland -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Barrett, Chris Aan: 'pc800@hpc.uh.edu' Datum: maandag 12 april 1999 17:10 Onderwerp: PC800: Perfect PC Here's my shot at the "Perfect PC" 1. An increase of about 10-15 horsepower. Maybe a 1000cc engine? 2. Slightly wider back tire. 3. Bigger fuel tank!! How about 7.4 gallons like the ST1100. 4. Heated grips/seat optional. 5. Adjustable headlight and windscreen. 6. Accessory plugs (one front, one back). 7. A decent CB/Stereo system, reminiscent of the Gold Wing. Honda, are you listening? Chris Barrett -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:44:59 -0500 From: Steve DeLorey To: dwilkers@us.ibm.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Perfect PC-so far I agree with Doug. The thing that has struck me about the wish list is the added cost of many of the changes. For instance, disk brakes on the rear. The existing drum brake is more than adequate. I can lock it up with one toe. :-) - I also agree that the "fat ass" image currently projected is a problem. In that regard, I've been struck by the many similarities (style wise) between the PC and the new BMW k1200LT. I think the top box on the LT helps the LT avoid this problem and would be an ideal addition to the PC. I haven't seen a picture of the PC with the large Givi box on back but maybe that's the answer. It could be offered as an option to keep the cost down as long as the cost of the option is reasonable. Steve DeLorey dwilkers@us.ibm.com wrote: > Many of the suggestions (self-cancelling indicators, rotor covers, rear > disk brake, multiple color offerings) would drive the PC out of it's > price-appeal range. I thought the bang-for-buck I got for my PC was its > single most attractive feature. > > I think they could redo the rear end and be done with it. The rest of the > bike looks great. Even the side profile is OK. It's the rear view that's > a little too tart for me. They don't sell enought of these things to offer > more than one color cost effectively, but I'd like something other than > bright red myself. > > >From a styling standpoint, I think the PC sans rotor covers is more > visually stimulating . . it's probably the only thing about the current PC > that says: "MOTORCYCLE!". But I don't mean to start any flame wars. > > The self-cancelling indicators would be nice, but those come at a cost. > I'll switch them myself. > > I'd think Honda'd be able to put some type of optical creasing to minimize > the big-butt look. It's just a really broad swath of plain red plastic > back there. It's really scary up on the center stand. > > I was able to ride all winter, thanks to the great wind protection (and > mild Alabama weather), but it has been too hot lately. > > Doug Wilkerson > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Barrett, Chris" To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: PC800: Where to buy a VistaCruise Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:02:13 -0400 Hey Folks, Anyone know where I can purchase a VistaCruise throttle lock, preferably online? Chris Barrett -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:49:06 -0700 From: chris jones To: Bob Kathy Alicia Jeff , brad goldsberry , Doug Jarman , michell thompson , mom and dad , pclist , steve Habermehl Subject: PC800: [Fwd: Fwd: A True Story and A Cookie Recipe] boundary="------------558A5D794D51AEC8056B2279" --------------558A5D794D51AEC8056B2279 --------------558A5D794D51AEC8056B2279 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: WEEBADEEB@aol.com Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 22:30:41 EDT Subject: Fwd: A True Story and A Cookie Recipe To: CFJ4FUN@directcon.net, QNCINDYTWN@aol.com, GJBJFUN@aol.com, 4craig@home.com, mascola@pacbell.net, jalvarez@wellsfargo.com, Rockclay@aol.com, Linda_F1@verifone.com X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-path: MAClinx@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MAClinx@aol.com Full-name: MAClinx Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 11:18:34 EDT Subject: Fwd: A True Story and A Cookie Recipe To: WEEBADEEB@aol.com --part2_dd4ab9d1.243f744a_boundary --part2_dd4ab9d1.243f744a_boundary Return-path: LvBeingMom@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: LvBeingMom@aol.com Full-name: LvBeingMom Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 00:16:33 EDT Subject: Fwd: A True Story and A Cookie Recipe To: MAClinx@aol.com --part3_dd4ab9d1.243ed921_boundary --part3_dd4ab9d1.243ed921_boundary Return-path: TWilmsn@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TWilmsn@aol.com Full-name: TWilmsn Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:15:53 EDT Subject: Fwd: A True Story and A Cookie Recipe To: LvBeingMom@aol.com --part4_dd4ab9d1.243e7689_boundary In a message dated 99-04-08 10:11:25 EDT, jimw@webcor.com writes: << Not a joke. ----------------- >> Can you believe, >> My daughter & I had just finished a salad at Neiman-Marcus Cafe in Dallas & >>decided to have a small dessert. Because both of us are suchcookie lovers, we >>decided to try the Neiman-Marcus cookie." It was so excellent that I asked if >>they would give me the recipe and the waitress said with a small frown, "I'm >>afraid not but, you can buy the recipe." Well, I asked how much, and she >>responded. "Only two fifty, it's a great deal!" I agreed, just add it to my >>tab I told her. Thirty days later, I received my VISA statement from Neiman- >>Marcus and it was $285. >> I looked again and I remembered I had only spent $9.95 for two salads and >>about $20.00 for a scarf. As I glanced at the bottom of the statement, it >>said, "Cookie Recipe - $250" That's outrageous! I called Neiman's Accounting >>Dept. and told them the waitress said it was "two-fifty," which clearly does >>not mean "two hundred and fifty dollars" by any *POSSIBLE* interpretation of >>the phrase. Neiman-Marcus refused to budge. They would not refund my money, >>because according to hem, "What the waitress told you is not our problem. You >>have already seen the recipe. We absolutely will not refund your money at this >>point." I explained to her the criminal statues which govern fraud in Texas. I >>threatened to refer them to the Better Business Bureau and the State's >>Attorney General for engaging in fraud. I was basically told, "Do >> what you want, it doesn't matter, and we're not refunding your money." I >>waited, thinking of how I could get even, or even try and get any of my money >>back. I just said, "Okay, you folks got my $250, and now I'm going to have >> $250.00 worth of fun." I told her that I was going to see to it that every >>Cookie lover in the United States with an e-mail account has a $250 cookie >>recipe from Neiman-Marcus...for free. She replied, "I wish you wouldn't do >>this." I said, "Well, you should have thought of that before you ripped me >>off," and slammed down the phone on her. So here it is!!! Please, please, >>please pass it on to everyone you can possibly think of. I paid $250 for >>this...I don't want Neiman-Marcus to *ever* get another penny off of this >>recipe.... >> *********************************************** >> NEIMAN MARCUS COOKIES >> (Recipe may be halved) >> >> 2 cups butter >> 4 cups flour >> 2 tsp. soda >> 2 cups sugar >> 5 cups blended oatmeal (measure >> oatmeal and blend in a blender >> to a fine powder.) >> 24 oz. chocolate chips >> 2 cups brown sugar >> 1 tsp. salt >> 1 - 8 oz. Hershey Bar (grated) >> 4 eggs >> 2 tsp. baking powder >> 2 tsp. vanilla >> 3 cups chopped nuts (your choice, >> but we liked pecans best) >> Cream the butter and both sugars. >> Add eggs and vanilla; mix >> together >> with flour, oatmeal, salt, baking >> powder, and soda. Add >> chocolate >> chips, >> Hershey Bar and nuts. >> Roll into balls and place two >> inches apart on a cookie sheet. >> Bake for 10 minutes at 375 >> degrees. Makes 112 cookies. >> >> >> --part4_dd4ab9d1.243e7689_boundary air-za03.mail.aol.com (v59.4) with SMTP; Thu, 08 Apr 1999 10:11:24 -0400 by rly-za02.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id KAA26432 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:11:24 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jimw@webcor.com 1999 07:15:59 -0700 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 07:15:39 -0800 To: Subject: Fwd:A True Story and A Cookie Recipe Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" > >> ******************************************** >> Not a joke. ----------------- >> Can you believe, >> My daughter & I had just finished a salad at Neiman-Marcus Cafe in Dallas & >>decided to have a small dessert. Because both of us are suchcookie lovers, we >>decided to try the Neiman-Marcus cookie." It was so excellent that I asked if >>they would give me the recipe and the waitress said with a small frown, "I'm >>afraid not but, you can buy the recipe." Well, I asked how much, and she >>responded. "Only two fifty, it's a great deal!" I agreed, just add it to my >>tab I told her. Thirty days later, I received my VISA statement from Neiman- >>Marcus and it was $285. >> I looked again and I remembered I had only spent $9.95 for two salads and >>about $20.00 for a scarf. As I glanced at the bottom of the statement, it >>said, "Cookie Recipe - $250" That's outrageous! I called Neiman's Accounting >>Dept. and told them the waitress said it was "two-fifty," which clearly does >>not mean "two hundred and fifty dollars" by any *POSSIBLE* interpretation of >>the phrase. Neiman-Marcus refused to budge. They would not refund my money, >>because according to hem, "What the waitress told you is not our problem. You >>have already seen the recipe. We absolutely will not refund your money at this >>point." I explained to her the criminal statues which govern fraud in Texas. I >>threatened to refer them to the Better Business Bureau and the State's >>Attorney General for engaging in fraud. I was basically told, "Do >> what you want, it doesn't matter, and we're not refunding your money." I >>waited, thinking of how I could get even, or even try and get any of my money >>back. I just said, "Okay, you folks got my $250, and now I'm going to have >> $250.00 worth of fun." I told her that I was going to see to it that every >>Cookie lover in the United States with an e-mail account has a $250 cookie >>recipe from Neiman-Marcus...for free. She replied, "I wish you wouldn't do >>this." I said, "Well, you should have thought of that before you ripped me >>off," and slammed down the phone on her. So here it is!!! Please, please, >>please pass it on to everyone you can possibly think of. I paid $250 for >>this...I don't want Neiman-Marcus to *ever* get another penny off of this >>recipe.... >> *********************************************** >> NEIMAN MARCUS COOKIES >> (Recipe may be halved) >> >> 2 cups butter >> 4 cups flour >> 2 tsp. soda >> 2 cups sugar >> 5 cups blended oatmeal (measure >> oatmeal and blend in a blender >> to a fine powder.) >> 24 oz. chocolate chips >> 2 cups brown sugar >> 1 tsp. salt >> 1 - 8 oz. Hershey Bar (grated) >> 4 eggs >> 2 tsp. baking powder >> 2 tsp. vanilla >> 3 cups chopped nuts (your choice, >> but we liked pecans best) >> Cream the butter and both sugars. >> Add eggs and vanilla; mix >> together >> with flour, oatmeal, salt, baking >> powder, and soda. Add >> chocolate >> chips, >> Hershey Bar and nuts. >> Roll into balls and place two >> inches apart on a cookie sheet. >> Bake for 10 minutes at 375 >> degrees. Makes 112 cookies. >> >> >> > >Kresge Faculty Services >University of California >Santa Cruz, CA 95064 >408-459-4586 > > > > --part4_dd4ab9d1.243e7689_boundary-- --part3_dd4ab9d1.243ed921_boundary-- --part2_dd4ab9d1.243f744a_boundary-- --------------558A5D794D51AEC8056B2279-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:05:07 -0300 To: morttis@ix.netcom.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: Wanted - Clutch Horror stories If you surf up http://noc.dal.ca/~daniel/pc-maint/ and ask for details containing "clutch" you'll get records of clutch work on the bikes in the database. Enjoy! Remember, if you check out the database and like it, PLEASE submit your maintenance and repair logs. If you don't like it, can't figure out how it works, or can think of a way it could be better, write me a note. -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:07:38 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Alexander To: "'cfj4fun@directcon.net'" , Bob Kathy Alicia Jeff , brad goldsberry , Doug Jarman , michell thompson , mom and dad To: pclist , steve Habermehl Subject: RE: PC800: [Fwd: Fwd: A True Story and A Cookie Recipe] Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:02:28 -0700 IT IS NOT TRUE .... PLEASE DON'T FORWARD!!!!! Jim Alexander Concord California '98 ST1100 STar Chaser HSTA 2307SU AMA 415932 On 4/12/99 8:49 AM, chris jones [SMTP:cfj4fun@directcon.net] wrote: > > << Message: Fwd: A True Story and A Cookie Recipe >> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:08:44 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Alexander To: "'cfj4fun@directcon.net'" , Bob Kathy Alicia Jeff , brad goldsberry , Doug Jarman , michell thompson , mom and dad To: pclist , steve Habermehl Subject: RE: PC800: [Fwd: Fwd: A True Story and A Cookie Recipe] Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:03:43 -0700 Here is the reference about this HOAX: All the Ingredients of a Legend Dateline: 07/13/97 This is a "true story" almost everyone has heard by now -- the infamous "$250 Cookie Recipe," most recently associated with the Neiman Marcus company, but which, all through the 1980s, was the bane of Mrs. Fields. By the way, the story is not true. It's a classic urban legend. It appears to be a variant of a popular tale that Jan Brunvand has traced back as far as 1948, when the overpriced recipe produced a fudge cake, and the amount allegedly charged was $25. The current adjusted-for-inflation version (reproduced below) is still making the email rounds and shows no signs of waning, even though it has been debunked again and again over the past ten years. Are you one of the gullible ones who has forwarded this story to someone else? Gotcha! THE $250 COOKIE RECIPE Okay, everyone....a true story of justice in the good old U.S. of A. Thought y'all might enjoy this; if nothing else, it shows internet justice, if it can be called that. My daughter & I had just finished a salad at Neiman-Marcus Cafe in Dallas & decided to have a small dessert. Because our family are such cookie lovers, we decided to try the "Neiman-Marcus Cookie." It was so excellent that I asked if they would give me the recipe and they said with a small frown, "I'm afraid not." Well, I said, would you let me buy the recipe? With a cute smile, she said, "Yes." I asked how much, and she responded, "Two fifty." I said with approval, just add it to my tab. Thirty days later, I received my VISA statement from Neiman-Marcus and it was $285.00. I looked again and I remembered I had only spent $9.95 for two salads and about $20.00 for a scarf. As I glanced at the bottom of the statement, it said, "Cookie Recipe - $250.00." Boy, was I upset!! I called Neiman's Accounting Dept. and told them the waitress said it was "two fifty," and I did not realize she meant $250.00 for a cookie recipe. I asked them to take back the recipe and reduce my bill and they said they were sorry, but because all the recipes were this expensive so not just everyone could duplicate any of our bakery recipes....the bill would stand. I waited, thinking of how I could get even or even try and get any of my money back. I just said, "Okay, you folks got my $250.00 and now I'm going to have $250.00 worth of fun." I told her that I was going to see to it that every cookie lover will have a $250.00 cookie recipe from Neiman-Marcus for nothing. She replied, "I wish you wouldn't do this." I said, "I'm sorry but this is the only way I feel I could get even," and I will. So, here it is, and please pass it to someone else or run a few copies....I paid for it; now you can have it for free. (Recipe may be halved.): 2 cups butter 2 tsp. soda 5 cups blended oatmeal** 2 cups brown sugar 1 8 oz. Hershey Bar (grated) 2 tsp. baking powder 2 tsp. vanilla 4 cups flour 2 cups sugar 24 oz. chocolate chips 1 tsp. salt 4 eggs 3 cups chopped nuts (your choice) ** measure oatmeal and blend in a blender to a fine powder. Cream the butter and both sugars. Add eggs and vanilla; mix together with flour, oatmeal, salt, baking powder, and soda. Add chocolate chips, Hershey Bar and nuts. Roll into balls and place two inches apart on a cookie sheet. Bake for 10 minutes at 375 degrees. Makes 112 cookies. Have fun!!! This is not a joke --- this is a true story.. That's it. Please, pass it along to everyone you know, single people, mailing lists, etc..... Ride free, citizen! Again, despite the admonition at the end, this is not a true story. Please don't pass it along. As to the cookies themselves -- I haven't tried them, but by most accounts the above recipe makes damned good ones (and a lot of them). No one knows where it came from, but we do know it wasn't from Neiman Marcus, who didn't even sell a chocolate chip cookie until a recipe was created specifically in response to this legend. If you're curious, you can find a few other tasty versions of both the story and the recipe at Gail's Recipe Swap Archive. There's also a Swedish version for your consumption. And finally, for the last word on this legend (one would hope), see Barbara Mikkelson's detailed history, (Costs a) Fortune Cookie. Bon appetit! Jim Alexander Concord California '98 ST1100 STar Chaser HSTA 2307SU AMA 415932 On 4/12/99 8:49 AM, chris jones [SMTP:cfj4fun@directcon.net] wrote: > > << Message: Fwd: A True Story and A Cookie Recipe >> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'jamesalexander@csi.com'" , "'cfj4fun@directcon.net'" , Bob Kathy Alicia Jeff , brad goldsberry , Doug Jarman , michell thompson , mom and dad , pclist , steve Habermehl Subject: RE: PC800: [Fwd: Fwd: A True Story and A Cookie Recipe] Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:15:47 -0400 Did that come through the PC800 list server? I saw the attachment and deleted it - permanently. Roger -----Original Message----- From: Jim Alexander [SMTP:jamesalexander@csi.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 13:04 To: 'cfj4fun@directcon.net'; Bob Kathy Alicia Jeff; brad goldsberry; Doug Jarman; michell thompson; mom and dad; pclist; steve Habermehl Subject: RE: PC800: [Fwd: Fwd: A True Story and A Cookie Recipe] Here is the reference about this HOAX: All the Ingredients of a Legend Dateline: 07/13/97 This is a "true story" almost everyone has heard by now -- the infamous "$250 Cookie Recipe," most recently associated with the Neiman Marcus company, but which, all through the 1980s, was the bane of Mrs. Fields. By the way, the story is not true. It's a classic urban legend. It appears to be a variant of a popular tale that Jan Brunvand has traced back as far as 1948, when the overpriced recipe produced a fudge cake, and the amount allegedly charged was $25. The current adjusted-for-inflation version (reproduced below) is still making the email rounds and shows no signs of waning, even though it has been debunked again and again over the past ten years. Are you one of the gullible ones who has forwarded this story to someone else? Gotcha! THE $250 COOKIE RECIPE Okay, everyone....a true story of justice in the good old U.S. of A. Thought y'all might enjoy this; if nothing else, it shows internet justice, if it can be called that. My daughter & I had just finished a salad at Neiman-Marcus Cafe in Dallas & decided to have a small dessert. Because our family are such cookie lovers, we decided to try the "Neiman-Marcus Cookie." It was so excellent that I asked if they would give me the recipe and they said with a small frown, "I'm afraid not." Well, I said, would you let me buy the recipe? With a cute smile, she said, "Yes." I asked how much, and she responded, "Two fifty." I said with approval, just add it to my tab. Thirty days later, I received my VISA statement from Neiman-Marcus and it was $285.00. I looked again and I remembered I had only spent $9.95 for two salads and about $20.00 for a scarf. As I glanced at the bottom of the statement, it said, "Cookie Recipe - $250.00." Boy, was I upset!! I called Neiman's Accounting Dept. and told them the waitress said it was "two fifty," and I did not realize she meant $250.00 for a cookie recipe. I asked them to take back the recipe and reduce my bill and they said they were sorry, but because all the recipes were this expensive so not just everyone could duplicate any of our bakery recipes....the bill would stand. I waited, thinking of how I could get even or even try and get any of my money back. I just said, "Okay, you folks got my $250.00 and now I'm going to have $250.00 worth of fun." I told her that I was going to see to it that every cookie lover will have a $250.00 cookie recipe from Neiman-Marcus for nothing. She replied, "I wish you wouldn't do this." I said, "I'm sorry but this is the only way I feel I could get even," and I will. So, here it is, and please pass it to someone else or run a few copies....I paid for it; now you can have it for free. (Recipe may be halved.): 2 cups butter 2 tsp. soda 5 cups blended oatmeal** 2 cups brown sugar 1 8 oz. Hershey Bar (grated) 2 tsp. baking powder 2 tsp. vanilla 4 cups flour 2 cups sugar 24 oz. chocolate chips 1 tsp. salt 4 eggs 3 cups chopped nuts (your choice) ** measure oatmeal and blend in a blender to a fine powder. Cream the butter and both sugars. Add eggs and vanilla; mix together with flour, oatmeal, salt, baking powder, and soda. Add chocolate chips, Hershey Bar and nuts. Roll into balls and place two inches apart on a cookie sheet. Bake for 10 minutes at 375 degrees. Makes 112 cookies. Have fun!!! This is not a joke --- this is a true story.. That's it. Please, pass it along to everyone you know, single people, mailing lists, etc..... Ride free, citizen! Again, despite the admonition at the end, this is not a true story. Please don't pass it along. As to the cookies themselves -- I haven't tried them, but by most accounts the above recipe makes damned good ones (and a lot of them). No one knows where it came from, but we do know it wasn't from Neiman Marcus, who didn't even sell a chocolate chip cookie until a recipe was created specifically in response to this legend. If you're curious, you can find a few other tasty versions of both the story and the recipe at Gail's Recipe Swap Archive. There's also a Swedish version for your consumption. And finally, for the last word on this legend (one would hope), see Barbara Mikkelson's detailed history, (Costs a) Fortune Cookie. Bon appetit! Jim Alexander Concord California '98 ST1100 STar Chaser HSTA 2307SU AMA 415932 On 4/12/99 8:49 AM, chris jones [SMTP:cfj4fun@directcon.net] wrote: > > << Message: Fwd: A True Story and A Cookie Recipe >> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:21:44 -0300 To: cfj4fun@directcon.net, Bob Kathy Alicia Jeff , brad goldsberry , Doug Jarman , michell thompson , mom and dad , pclist , steve Habermehl From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: [Fwd: Fwd: A True Story and A Cookie Recipe] This cookie story is an OLD URBAN LEGEND. Please, before forwarding junk like this, check out the CIAC "Internet Hoaxes" page and the Urban Legends home page to see if it's been around the block 10,000 times like this one has. The whole story of this is here: http://www.urbanlegends.com/food/two-fifty/neiman-marcus.html The Urban Legends page and CIAC Hoax page is here: http://www.urbanlegends.com/ http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:36:15 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Alexander To: "'Prince, Roger'" , "'Pc800 (E-mail)" Subject: RE: PC800: [Fwd: Fwd: A True Story and A Cookie Recipe] Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:31:05 -0700 Yeah it sure did. It seems that Chris Jones was forwarded this message to the list. I followed the chain back to the original message. Since it was a forwarded message I saved it, scanned it for viruses, then opened it. I foollowed it back to the original message and sent a similar message to all people in the chain, so it might be killed early. Jim Alexander Concord California '98 ST1100 STar Chaser HSTA 2307SU AMA 415932 On 4/12/99 10:16 AM, Prince, Roger [SMTP:RPrince@imps0014.us.dg.com] wrote: > Did that come through the PC800 list server? I saw the attachment and deleted it - permanently. > > Roger > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Alexander [SMTP:jamesalexander@csi.com] > Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 13:04 > To: 'cfj4fun@directcon.net'; Bob Kathy Alicia Jeff; brad goldsberry; Doug Jarman; michell thompson; mom and dad; pclist; steve Habermehl > Subject: RE: PC800: [Fwd: Fwd: A True Story and A Cookie Recipe] > > Here is the reference about this HOAX: > > > > All the Ingredients of a Legend > > Dateline: 07/13/97 > > This is a "true story" almost everyone has heard by now -- the infamous > "$250 Cookie Recipe," most recently associated with the Neiman Marcus > company, but which, all through the 1980s, was the bane of Mrs. Fields. > > By the way, the story is not true. It's a classic urban legend. > > It appears to be a variant of a popular tale that Jan Brunvand has traced > back as far as 1948, when the overpriced recipe produced a fudge cake, > and the amount allegedly charged was $25. The current > adjusted-for-inflation version (reproduced below) is still making the email > rounds and shows no signs of waning, even though it has been debunked > again and again over the past ten years. > > Are you one of the gullible ones who has forwarded this story to someone > else? Gotcha! > > THE $250 COOKIE RECIPE > > Okay, everyone....a true story of justice in the good old U.S. of > A. Thought y'all might enjoy this; if nothing else, it shows > internet justice, if it can be called that. > > My daughter & I had just finished a salad at Neiman-Marcus > Cafe in Dallas & decided to have a small dessert. Because our > family are such cookie lovers, we decided to try the > "Neiman-Marcus Cookie." It was so excellent that I asked if > they would give me the recipe and they said with a small frown, > "I'm afraid not." Well, I said, would you let me buy the recipe? > With a cute smile, she said, "Yes." I asked how much, and she > responded, "Two fifty." I said with approval, just add it to my > tab. > > Thirty days later, I received my VISA statement from > Neiman-Marcus and it was $285.00. I looked again and I > remembered I had only spent $9.95 for two salads and about > $20.00 for a scarf. As I glanced at the bottom of the statement, > it said, "Cookie Recipe - $250.00." Boy, was I upset!! I called > Neiman's Accounting Dept. and told them the waitress said it > was "two fifty," and I did not realize she meant $250.00 for a > cookie recipe. I asked them to take back the recipe and reduce > my bill and they said they were sorry, but because all the > recipes were this expensive so not just everyone could > duplicate any of our bakery recipes....the bill would stand. > > I waited, thinking of how I could get even or even try and get any > of my money back. I just said, "Okay, you folks got my $250.00 > and now I'm going to have $250.00 worth of fun." I told her that I > was going to see to it that every cookie lover will have a $250.00 > cookie recipe from Neiman-Marcus for nothing. She replied, "I > wish you wouldn't do this." I said, "I'm sorry but this is the only > way I feel I could get even," and I will. > > So, here it is, and please pass it to someone else or run a few > copies....I paid for it; now you can have it for free. > > (Recipe may be halved.): > 2 cups butter > 2 tsp. soda > 5 cups blended oatmeal** > 2 cups brown sugar > 1 8 oz. Hershey Bar (grated) > 2 tsp. baking powder > 2 tsp. vanilla > 4 cups flour > 2 cups sugar > 24 oz. chocolate chips > 1 tsp. salt > 4 eggs > 3 cups chopped nuts (your > choice) > ** measure oatmeal and blend in a blender to a fine powder. > > Cream the butter and both sugars. Add eggs and vanilla; mix > together with flour, oatmeal, salt, baking powder, and soda. Add > chocolate chips, Hershey Bar and nuts. Roll into balls and > place two inches apart on a cookie sheet. Bake for 10 minutes > at 375 degrees. Makes 112 cookies. > > Have fun!!! This is not a joke --- this is a true story.. That's it. > Please, pass it along to everyone you know, single people, > mailing lists, etc..... Ride free, citizen! > > > Again, despite the admonition at the end, this is not a true story. Please > don't pass it along. > > As to the cookies themselves -- I haven't tried them, but by most accounts > the above recipe makes damned good ones (and a lot of them). No one > knows where it came from, but we do know it wasn't from Neiman > Marcus, who didn't even sell a chocolate chip cookie until a recipe was > created specifically in response to this legend. > > If you're curious, you can find a few other tasty versions of both the story > and the recipe at Gail's Recipe Swap Archive. There's also a Swedish > version for your consumption. > > And finally, for the last word on this legend (one would hope), see Barbara > Mikkelson's detailed history, (Costs a) Fortune Cookie. > > Bon appetit! > > Jim Alexander Concord California > '98 ST1100 STar Chaser > HSTA 2307SU AMA 415932 > > On 4/12/99 8:49 AM, chris jones [SMTP:cfj4fun@directcon.net] wrote: > > > > << Message: Fwd: A True Story and A Cookie Recipe >> > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: AJDOBBS@aol.com for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:40:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:40:56 EDT Subject: PC800: Stereo, Speakers and Antenna To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hello Everyone, I am a new subscriber to the list. I am interested in adding a Stereo, Speakers and Antenna to my '94 PC. I do not have any of the 3 items. Any suggestions are welcome. I do want speakers that I can install in the "dash" and hopefully a stereo for the trunk that can be operated remotely (also I am sure a pre-amp would be needed) Finally, I was told about an item from Cycle Comm - PACIFIC COAST ANTENNA KIT Item #197-008. It apparently attaches to the rear bolt of the rear crash bar. I have not been able to contact Cycle Comm - does anyone have a current telephone number?