********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: PC Replacement of "Sat, 31 Oct 1998 22:34:39 EST." <19981031.223441.-251883.1.PC800Scot@juno.com> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 00:00:02 -0600 Scot A Piper writes: > A lot of talk lately about a replacement for the PC. Sounds like with a > little tweaking, that VFR Interceptor could be the bike. The V-4 with > fuel injection really gets my attention. Just need more luggage space. > And this 650 Deauville everyone is talking about looks like a nice bike > too. For single up riding and commuting, a 650 should be just fine. I > plan to keep my PC for as long as possible, so rather than looking for a > replacement, I'd be looking for a 2nd bike of a different nature. No > sense in having 2 identical bikes. Was thinking about a cruiser. (not a > Harley - wouldn't mind one, but too much $). I've always had a tender memory of a red 1982 or 1983 Honda Sabre V45 by the front door of the local Honda dealer. With factory fairing and saddle bags. Was $3k or $3.6k back in 1983 or 1984. More than I could swing with a 1978 CX500 for trade. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 23:37:37 -0500 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: ROBJHALL@aol.com, Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Honda Pacific Coast (PC800) Hi Rob, ROBJHALL@aol.com wrote: > But don't forget Neill's point is that Honda did a lousy job of marketing and > distributing the bike. > > Another problem was the price factor. I bought my '89 in 1990 for $4500. The > price in 1989 was $6K. At the time it just wasn't worth that much. The PC received more marketing (some TV advertising in '89) than any other bike in history - I've never seen another motorcycle advertised on TV in California... Also, the PC was introduced (at least in California) at about $8500 in '89. That was the reason I didn't buy one. I road tested one but simply couldn't afford it. When the '94s were introduced at $6498, I jumped at it. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 118,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 23:45:02 -0500 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Jim Alexander , Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Honda Pacific Coast (PC800) Hi Jim, Jim Alexander wrote: > I hate to disagree, but the price in 1989 when the PC came out was $7,699. $8500 in California. > according to > Leland the warranty was extended to three years, the original > in 1989 was only one year). > My '94 had 3 years, unlimited mileage. > Honda advertising was actually pretty interesting in 1989. Since I was The PC is the only bike I've ever seen advertised on TV - during 1989 only as I recall. > After that first (and I am sure expensive) media blitz, there was next to > nothing on promotion of the bike. It is really too bad, but part of the > reason was the number of dealers who got burned. > Most bikes aren't promoted except maybe in the cycle magazines. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 118,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 04:02:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 04:02:05 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Bungee Cords In a message dated 10/30/98 5:15:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com writes: << Wrong...Bungee cords will work anywhere on anything of any size! >> Right Dana (except possibly a polished marble sphere )! In addition there are different kinds of ends that work just fine on the PC grab rails. Pep Boys has bungees that have large plastic hooks at the ends too... Regards, <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 04:02:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 04:02:12 EST To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: No new PC In a message dated 10/30/98 6:07:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, HilsinG@WSDOT.WA.GOV writes: << At $8,700, my dealer had two that sat for at least a year on the floor. At the +/- $6,500 mark the PC offers good value and seems to support demand that is about as great as the supply of new PCs. My dealer sold three shortly after the price reduction. The big question is whether Honda and its dealers can make sufficient profit at this price to justify the plant capacity, advertising costs, and dealer flooring. Apparently Honda doesn't think so. >> Obviously, not! The 6500 mark was a price used to get rid of overstock. It probably doesn't represent profit at all except to recover the sunk costs of inventory... It may exceed the cost of manufacture (ie it may add to operating profit), but that is not a measure of commecial profitability... Regards, <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 04:02:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 04:02:15 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Headlamp Bulb - Does it require a Mod? In a message dated 10/30/98 9:06:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, bdhopkins@pcisys.net writes: << No, a standard bulb will work. Only the ST and the VFR for some stupid unknown reason take a slightly different bulb. (although if you want to use a regular one, all you need to do is bend the tabs back and walaa) >> My understanding is that the ST1100 (at least) uses a special lower wattage bulb that has a different base (though the same contacts) as a standard H-4. It needs the lower wattage bulb because it has a plastic headlight reflector that is subject to melting with higher output bulbs. The standard H4 will fit if you break off a plastic tab or two on the base. Some have used H4's successfully this way and others have melted the reflector. I suspect that Honda makes the special base so that you have to modify an H4 to use it which would absolve them of liability for the loss of your reflector (which isn't cheap, BTW)... Regards, <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 04:02:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 04:02:08 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Some PCs available In a message dated 10/30/98 7:45:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, gwta@voyager.net writes: << Boy, you just got to feel sorry for those folks who bought a PC before Honda brought the prices down. Now that they got to sell it, the resale is awful. >> I am in that unenviable position... though I won't be selling the bike for just that reason... (It's my wife's bike and she has decided that it is too big for her uses and she would prefer a scooter...) Regards, <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 06:12:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 06:12:34 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: We need a new short Sport Tourer! In a message dated 10/31/98 8:33:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, Horkster@tidalwave.net writes: << Now, to me, the PC is the epitome of a practical motorcycle. But it is also a little on the frumpy, dowdy side. Too scooterish, I think. >> While many may think that way, one poor soul leaving Pep Boys the other day certainly didn't. This was a guy in his late 20s who looked at my PC and said something along the lines of "Like wow! Great bike! Wow, full racing fairing! Is that a 900?" He went on and on waxing enthusiastic. I think they made a movie about this guy... It was called "Clueless" or something like that... I would have thought he was being sarcastic if it weren't for his demeanor as he said these things... Regards, <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: dbrab@webtv.net (Dave Rabinowitz) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 07:18:48 -0500 (EST) To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Break-in --WebTV-Mail-346604413-22 thanks! but it is almost impossible to stay under the revs around here......I did overlook the directive.....RTFM....I read it, but didn't notice the break-in note.... dave '98 PC800 --WebTV-Mail-346604413-22 with ESMTP id TAA12478; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 19:43:49 -0800 (PST) mailsorter-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id TAA16250; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 19:43:48 -0800 (PST) karazm.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAD25588; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 21:43:47 -0600 (CST) sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA13888 for ; ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com SKYRa29185 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 22:42:38 +1900 (EST) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 22:42:38 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Break-in Hi, Dave: I've always had good luck following the manufacturer's break-in recommendations in the owners' manual. I commend that procedure to you. The only hard part is staying under the rev limits on the interstate without getting run over. I'd stick to the back roads 'til the odometer says it's time to let the revs get above 5K. J. T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. --WebTV-Mail-346604413-22-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: dbrab@webtv.net (Dave Rabinowitz) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 07:25:21 -0500 (EST) To: jhart@mail.lewiston.lib.me.us Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: We need a new short Sport Tourer! --WebTV-Mail-1468045184-5 I agree with your thought I also just gave my Shadow to the dealer to sell. As I rode it there for the last time, the vibrations, seating position and noise reminded me why I bought the PC. Course it was pretty sad to take the plates and wave goodbye....nice lookin' bike.... dave '98 PC800 --WebTV-Mail-1468045184-5 with ESMTP id SAA08395; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 18:32:48 -0800 (PST) mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id SAA27379; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 18:32:47 -0800 (PST) karazm.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAD24342; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 20:32:46 -0600 (CST) Internet Mail Server 1.2); Sat, 31 Oct 1998 22:36:02 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Re: We need a new short Sport Tourer! Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 21:32:23 -0500 From: cc: "Pacific Coast List" Dale Horstman, Horkster@tidalwave.net writes: >Now, to me, the PC is the epitome of a practical motorcycle. But it >is also a little on the frumpy, dowdy side. Too scooterish, I think. ... >Something in the neighborhood of 750-800 cc's, shaft drive, a standard >seating position on a sporty looking chassis, good solid luggage, >decent suspension and handling, decent (we don't need world-beating) >power, bulletproof reliable, 28"-29" seat height, low center of gravity, >and a price in the neighborhood of $6-7000 (Hey, the Concours goes >for $8000, you gotta beat that price) and people will be lined up out >the door to buy one. My wife would be the first in line. Ummmm...which one of these isn't covered by the PC800? Sporty looking, maybe? The rest describes the Pacific Coast to a tee. Is that all that keeps people from lining up at the door. The PC's looks? Frankly, I like the looks, but, then, I don't ride sport bikes because I can't stand riding with all the weight on my hands and holding my head back to see where I'm going. Oh yeah, and I hate dealing with chains. Rather be riding than washing. Weird, isn't it. Build a great bike, but wrap it in a futuristic body, and people won't buy it. Sure says a lot about why people buy motorcycles. No criticism of anyone intended. Heck, I owned and rode a 1986 Suzuki Intruder 700 for seven years. The most beautiful (IMHO) and worst riding factory cruiser made. Used to kill my back. Even compressed a vertebra when I hit a ditch unexpectedly. But, I loved the way it looked (and so did the ladies ;). My back finally won out over my macho, and I sold it this summer to buy the PC. Now my body is a lot happier and I ride more. Go figure. --- Jim Hart "Organization is necessary for things to exist; Chaos is necessary for things to evolve." -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. --WebTV-Mail-1468045184-5-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 06:26:41 -0600 From: Jeffrey King To: PC800 List Subject: PC800: Possible reason... I think I know of the possible reason for the PC's lackluster sales. "Real bikers" didn't like it because it didn't look like it was designed in 1940. You can't see the engine, it was too quiet and smooth, and just too radical when it came out in 1989. Most every rider who has seen mine has a closet interest in the bike, but God forbid one of their friends should see them on it. Too scooterish, as one poster said. The Motorcycle Online article said it pretty well in fact. "People who don't like motorcycles like the PC800". Trouble is, that people who don't like motorcycles, DON'T BUY motorcycles. Jeff "Hoarding PC parts as we speak" King -- '94 Honda PC800 (The Batcycle) '78 Suzuki GS400 (Buzzy) *** Sold 10/19/98 *** '61 Olds Super 88 (Moby Dick) ==================================================================== Jeffrey W. King (K5ING) Krum, TX. USA 940.482.3446 (home) 972.597.1021 (pager) ==================================================================== http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/1919 ==================================================================== -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Subject: PC800: Honda Deauville Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 12:57:03 -0000 The following message Brian says it all about the 'new' Honda Deauville. It is just an NTV650 with panniers and an indaequate 3/4 fairing.... PC800 is the only bike I know which has panniers large enough to take a full size helmet.. Job Sussex, England ---------- > From: BMillman@aol.com > To: pcsg@mistral.co.uk > Subject: Honda Deauville > Date: Friday, October 30, 1998 8:25 PM > > Hi Job, > > I noticed your comment on the Deauville. > > I actually bought one new back in August, and within a few days I realised > that It was not a patch on the PC. It was not as comfortable, the luggage was > too small and it was nothing loike the quality finish of the PC. The only good > thing was the fantastic Brembo brakes - they wrer superb. > > My previous PC I had sold in 1996, and by a strange bit of luck I saw it > advertised within a few days of realising that i did not like the Deauville. > > To cut a long story short, I sold the Deauville ( at a bit of a loss) and > bought my old PC back. I am now delighted - to be back on a PC is great, but > to have found my old one is very special. > > Regards, > > Brian -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "The Broeking's" To: "PC800 List" Subject: PC800: Changing Headlight Bulb Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 08:09:29 -0500 in 1996 Bryce said this from the archives...; "Behind the bulb there's a think plastic electrical connector. Pull it straight back from the bulb." I am doing this from below as described but it seems not to want to come loose. Is the electrical connector on pretty tight? I am swapping to a hotter bulb and I feel like I am about to break something if I keep pulling on this connector. You just apply backward pressure and wiggle it a bit, right? Bob -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Arvid_L=F8vik?=" To: Subject: PC800: 89/90 PC WANTED Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 14:14:18 +0100 It seems like My friends have found out that the PC is not a bad bike = after all!! I think that the PC "grows" on You. I have got 2 enquieries from friends asking me to try to find them two = low mileage bikes. I have done a lot of search on the net and found a few interresting = ones, but any help from You lot will make things even easier. Thanks Arvid=20 Norway is not a=20 bad bike after all!!
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-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 07:25:15 -0600 From: Jeffrey King To: "Arvid Løvik" CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: 89/90 PC WANTED Arvid Løvik wrote: > > It seems like My friends have found out that the PC is not a bad bike > after all!! > I think that the PC "grows" on You. > > I have got 2 enquieries from friends asking me to try to find them two > low mileage bikes. > > I have done a lot of search on the net and found a few interresting > ones, but any help from You lot will make things even easier. > > Thanks > > Arvid > Norway Arvid, Don't know if this will help you in Norway, but I found mine here: http://www.traderonline.com/cycle/index.shtml Just type in the search word "PC800" or "Pacific Coast" (or both). I think the last time I checked, there were about 30 bikes in there for sale, mostly in the US or Canada. Good luck! Jeff (K5ING) -- '94 Honda PC800 (The Batcycle) '78 Suzuki GS400 (Buzzy) *** Sold 10/19/98 *** '61 Olds Super 88 (Moby Dick) ==================================================================== Jeffrey W. King (K5ING) Krum, TX. USA 940.482.3446 (home) 972.597.1021 (pager) ==================================================================== http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/1919 ==================================================================== -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ROBJHALL@aol.com Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 09:14:02 EST To: dbrab@webtv.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Break-in In a message dated 10/31/98 5:32:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, dbrab@webtv.net writes: << Does anyone have any break-in suggestions? Have gone 300+ miles towards the first 600 mile oil change. Salesdude said not to exceed 5000 rpm until then, otherwise nothing special. >> Dave: I just bought a brand new '96 PC. My sale rep encouraged me to run it up and down throught the gears as much as possible. He said that locking it in a one particular RPM is sometyhing to avoid during break in. This was a challenge since I bought the bike in Atlanta and had to drive it 400 miles home to NC on I-85. My wife followed me as I drove through every rest area on the INterstate just to go up and down through the gears. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 09:24:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 09:24:14 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: RE: PC Sales The cause of the lackluster sales of the Pacific Coast was that it was conceived for a market that didn't exist. Honda, after watching the sale of motor scooters to executives during the last California gasoline crises, believed that it could attract that market by an up scale, mid weight machine. A motorcycle designed by Honda's California based automotive division. This upscale market was some what price insensitive. It had been primary absorbed by BMW. A large segment of this market deserted BMW to the Harley phenomena, and the PC was lost in the rush to buy $18,000 outdated machines with $10,000 in costumes and accessories. To find that market today, watch who buyes the new BMW K1200LT as the Harley fad fades. Bernie 94 PC 48 K Overland Park, KS -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 09:38:37 -0500 Subject: PC800: Bungee Alternative To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) My addition to the bungee discussion. You might want to look at this web site for an alternative solution that looks good to me: http://revpack.com/products/ConnectStrap.html Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 09:58:36 -0500 From: Richard Stafford To: John D Louk CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Hondamatic John D Louk wrote: > > Hi Coasters, > > Just rejoined the list after an amazing trip to Oregon. Maybe I'm > dragging a thread too far but... > > I owned a 1976 Honda 750cc CB750A automatic. It was a two speed > automatic that didn't shift. Equipped with a foot shift lever, the > choice was one of two gears: Low gear was "good" for zero to 60 mph, High > gear from zero to top end (never wrung it out fully - but it would do > 100mph indicated) The tranny acted just like an older Buick > Dynaflow....seamless/shiftless using a torque converter coupling and only > somewhat lethargic. On several excursions to Palomar, Julian, etc. she > would roll comfortably along at high warp speed with no excessive RPM > excursions or vibration. In the mountains in "low" range, she was > perfect in the twisties with ample torque to squirt right up to sportier > cycles without fuss or toe dancing on the shifter. I sold it when I > moved to (UGH!) Indiana. Splendid four cylinder 750 Honda. > > John Louk > Carmel, IN > '90 PC "Ruby" > Carmel, IN Nice report John. On a trip to the Laconia races from Pa. one summer there were three bikes, my KZ650, and friends CB750A & Sportster 1000. We swapped bikes all along. I liked the Automatic. Real handy when setting in a lot of stop and go traffic, saves on the clutch pain. We load these things down with plush seats, tall windshields, shocks to make that smooth ride, stereo's and two way communications, cruise controls and heated grips, add tail trunks for more stuff hauling, and extra footpegs for more comfort on those long hauls. I for one wouldn't be against having the option of the automatic. Take care. Dick -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 225; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 10:21:31 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 10:25:25 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: We need a new short Sport Tourer! JTSMCRIDER@aol.com wrote: > > Excuse me, Dale, but what you're describing IS the PC if you do a little > saddle surgery to drop the seat height an inch or so. :) Last I checked, tho, the PC was running $8600 new, (98 model, I think) - that's too much money IMO for the bike you get. I agree that the PC is pretty close to what my wife is looking for. I think this could be a big market segment. I'd be surprised if Honda pulls out of it entirely. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@tidalwave.net a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 10:36:05 -0500 From: Jason To: -PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 Review It was nice to read a (mostly) positive article about the PC. With the exception below, I think I agree with just about every detail in the write up... What I am wonder, though, is how many people disagree with the last two sentences below: I personally have locked the rear tire up at least three times in two years. One of the times I was privileged to drive over my own black stripe in the road for a week or so. >FROM M.M.M. ARTICLE: >The front brakes are excellent. They are so good that somebody ought to > write a song about them. You get off of the bike shaking your head while > wondering how the brakes on this lowly PC800 can be better than the > stoppers on two-thirds of the bikes you have ridden. At the other end is the > rear drum brake. The only positive thing to say about this contraption is > that it is impossible to lock up the rear wheel with it. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 69; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 10:30:03 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 10:33:57 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: PC Replacement JTSMCRIDER@aol.com wrote: > > Scot writes: > > << A lot of talk lately about a replacement for the PC. Sounds like with a > little tweaking, that VFR Interceptor could be the bike. The V-4 with > fuel injection really gets my attention. Just need more luggage space. >> To me it's silly to talk about a chain-driven bike in the same breath as real sport-tourers. If you put *any* kind of mileage on a chain bike, you will grow to hate them. Messy, labor intensive, and prone to total replacement (chains and sprockets) every 20K miles. There's something offensive and stupid to me about replacing an essential drivetrain component(s) on a bike once or twice every year. If the new 800 interceptor would have come out with a shaft drive, my wife would probably be riding one now. I would have slapped hard bags on it and she'd have been thrilled. But I'll never willingly buy another chain drive bike again. Hell, even belt drive is preferable. Kawasaki came out with a "replacement" for the Concours a few years ago - the GPz 1100. Nice bike, but it was essentially a chain drive sportbike with no hard bags - duh! Big surprise, they didn't sell. When are the moto-manufacturers gonna learn? Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@tidalwave.net a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 18750 miles 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 124; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 10:33:22 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 10:37:16 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: Rich Gross CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: We need a new short Sport Tourer! Rich Gross wrote: > > Hi, Dale. > > I think you just described the Pacific Coast 800 perfectly. Might be worth > getting used to the PC800s unique appearance in order to have the rest of > the items on your wish-list. It is a great machine. I am starting to agree about the PC - it sounds like a winner. I think it's biggest problem has been the funky pricing strategy by Honda. At $8500 it's not worth it, at $6500 it seems to be a bargain. Horkster - checking the used want ads for PCs Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@tidalwave.net a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ROBJHALL@aol.com for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 10:52:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 10:52:06 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: 600 mile check up & Saeng, & Kenwood. Coasters: I'm just about ready to take in my new 96 PC for it's 600 mile check up. One of the things I noticed about this bike vs. my 89 is that it hestitates a little at the lower rpms. Any suggestions or thoughts. (timing, plug gap, etc.) I've also just added the Saeng edging to the stock shield on the bike. Although not miraculously quiet it does deflect the wind enough to notice. I can ride w/ a half helmut and not have tears rolling down my cheeks from the wind. The edging came w/ no instructions, so how do I know I have it on correctly and securely? By the way from a strictly aesthetic point of view, the black trim on the windshield looks great! I also removed my Honda/Kenwood radio from the 89 this weekend and will be putting it in the 96. I switched the plastic around the speedometer/tach from one bike to the other to facilitate the speakers and was very surprised that the 96 still has space reserved for speakers underneath. Now I've just got to rewire everything. My only concern is the antenna. The won on my 89 is telescopic and the mount is rusted and hard to get at. Anyone using a smaller, rubber antenna and wher are you mounting it? I'm also concerned about leakage after drilling out holes for wires. Rob Cary NC 96 PC w/ 575 mi. 89 w/ 43000 and holding -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 225; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 10:52:14 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 10:56:09 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: pcsg@mistral.co.uk CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Honda Deauville > PC800 is the only bike I know which has panniers large enough to take a > full size helmet.. Gotta defend my Concours here. My XL Shoei RF700 fits in either bag on the Connie. Still doesn't have all the cargo capacity of the PC's trunk, but it's adequate for me. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@tidalwave.net a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 124; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 11:13:58 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 11:17:51 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: ttk@erinet.com, PC800 Subject: PC800: Re: We need a short Sport Tourer Tosh Konya wrote: > > Cut those parts out and move them around the grid paper. What > you'll find is that it's impossible to meet these general parameters > while keeping the seat only 28" above the ground. I respectfully disagree. If it was impossible, then shaft drive cruisers wouldn't exist. They do, so it should be possible to design a sport-tourer that fits the inseam-challenged. Lots of folks like bikes like the ST or the Concours, but are put off by their large size and heavy weight. Lots of folks like sportbikes, but are tired of sore wrists and cramped knees and buzzy handlebars. Lots of folks ride chain drive bikes because they don't have a choice and curse the chain-lube-and-adjust-and-clean-the-rear-wheel routine. I really think a moderately priced Short-Tourer (notice the snazzy name, too) would be a decent seller. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@tidalwave.net a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 11:49:55 EST To: ttk@erinet.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: Re: MC Sales in general <> My dentist is a Harley owner. (A three year old bike with 2K on its clock.) He did ride it to the office on real nice days, or cruise the neighborhood once in a while. When he first bought the Harley we rode together to St. Joe and back, around 150 miles. He wouldn't admit it, but he didn't like highway riding. The wind, buffeting from passing trucks and holding in one position bothered him. He never went on another road trip with me. He did go to a couple of Harley Hoots. Trailered the bike both times. But lately he hasn't even been polishing it. It has been sitting the last few months in the corner of his garage covered by a tarp. The magic is gone. I expect I will see and add offering the Harley in our local newspaper sometime this coming spring. Bernie 94 PC 48 K Overland Park, KS -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 09:05:30 -0800 (PST) From: Tony Miller Subject: PC800: Got the Gas Drained! (Thanks!) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Many thanks to those (about eight, I think) who sent suggestions on draining my gas tank. Several different approaches were suggested. Since I was trying to save time, I decided to siphon the tank. My tubing was a little curved, so I'm not sure that I got it all the way to the bottom of the tank. Anyway, I believe I left almost a gallon of gas in the tank, which was my pleasure to ride out! Once I got the bike unloaded from the truck up here in North Alabama (I'll be getting with you, David), I just put some gas in the tank and cranked her up. Of course, it took a while to get some gas into the carbs, so I was careful to let the starter rest between 5 second cranks. By the way, the movers transported the bike without any damage, as far as I can tell. I'm still not back on the list yet, since I will be in Ohio all next week, but I will be back on next weekend. I would welcome any personal email, of course. Tony Miller Florence, Alabama '97 w/4500 miles == My homepage URL is http://members.tripod.com/~tlmiller/ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BobDuWah@aol.com Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 12:52:38 EST To: Horkster@tidalwave.net, jhart@mail.lewiston.lib.me.us Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: We need a new short Sport Tourer! Pricing seems to be a major factor with bikes like the Connie and PC. I remember last year they were knocking $2k off the list price of the Concours trying to move out inventory and they sold well. The PC seems to be selling quickly at the discounted price too. Thing is, if the only way it will sell is at a loss or breakeven price then Honda has no reason to keep making them. I wonder if the sales numbers are good overseas for the PC, then maybe at least it will stay in production over there a while longer and at least make parts available for a longer time. My previous bike was a Suzuki VX800, another unappreciated bike in America that continued to sell in Europe for several years after they stopped selling them in the US. I think lots of people would be interested in buying PC's for light touring or commuting, but all the hype goes to Harley clones, crotch rockets, and big touring bikes . All of us have had countless people approach and comment on what a nice bike the PC, and many think it is something new from Honda because they have never seen or heard of it before. Honda usually does all the right things for promoting products, but gave up on the PC too soon. Bob Ronecker 94PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tom and Anita Humphrey" To: "Jason" , "-PC800" Subject: RE: PC800: PC800 Review Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 09:56:03 -0800 Importance: Normal I must agree with Jason. Many times I have locked up my rear wheel while panic stopping. Most of the time it was in the Experienced Rider Course of the MSF, but at least a dozen times on the streets. THE REAR WILL LOCK UP!!! The trick, of course, is what you do once it is locked. Take the experienced rider course, and try it on your PC. What you learn to do can save you (and NO, I did not always do it right, but I always was able to get away with it....) Tom in Clayton, CA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BobDuWah@aol.com Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 13:05:38 EST To: tonylmiller@yahoo.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Got the Gas Drained! (Thanks!) In a message dated 11/1/98 11:04:08 AM Central Standard Time, tonylmiller@yahoo.com writes: << Many thanks to those (about eight, I think) who sent suggestions on draining my gas tank. Several different approaches were suggested. >> Just wondering if the gas tank on our PCs is plastic or metal? On every previous bike I have owned they were metal and I would remove them and store full of fuel in a constant temp area to prevent rust, but that is not an option now. Just curious Bob Ronecker 94PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. id MAA67866 (8.8.6/50); Sun, 1 Nov 1998 12:27:26 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 12:26:12 -0600 To: Dale Horstman , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Rich Gross Subject: Re: PC800: Re: We need a new short Sport Tourer! >I am starting to agree about the PC - it sounds like a winner. >I think it's biggest problem has been the funky pricing strategy >by Honda. At $8500 it's not worth it, at $6500 it seems to be >a bargain. If you keep your eyes open, a 98 or 97 should come up for well within that price range. On the other hand, with Honda leaving it out of the 99 lineup, it is hard to predict. I got a 94 with 20,000 miles for under $5000. Good luck. Rich Madison, WI 1994 PC800: "Jetson" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. id MAA40782 (8.8.6/50); Sun, 1 Nov 1998 12:31:28 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 12:30:07 -0600 To: Tony Miller , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Rich Gross Subject: Re: PC800: Got the Gas Drained! (Thanks!) >By the way, the movers transported the bike without any damage, as far >as I can tell. Good to hear. So, how did you tie it down? Rich Madison, WI 1994 PC800: "Jetson" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 13:22:58 -0600 From: Steve Wilson To: BobDuWah@aol.com CC: tonylmiller@yahoo.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Got the Gas Drained! (Thanks!) The fuel tank is metal. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 80; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 16:40:57 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 16:44:52 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: ttk@erinet.com, PC800 Subject: PC800: Re: We need a SHORT Tourer Tosh Konya wrote: > People have been voicing your plea for decades and no > manufacturer has come up with a "short" sport tourer. > Ever wonder why? I don't know, I think the Honda Silverwing (500cc, came with luggage, right?) and the BMW K75 were pretty close to what I was talking about. They just don't make them anymore. I don't know if I'd buy a BMW at their (outrageous?) resale values anyway. There used to be some wonderful bikes made that aren't anymore, mainly big shaft-drive standard bikes (the '80s Kawasaki 1100 LTD's, 90's Suzuki GSX1100G's, VX800's etc.) Makes me kick myself for not getting into motorcycles earlier. If you aren't into cruisers or racebikes - there isn't much choice out there nowadays. That's a damned shame. > Cruisers are not made to go over bumpy ground (very well), > negotiate curves at crazy lean angles, and carry luggage > and/or a passenger. Actually we are seeing more cruisers with hard bags offered (Honda Valkyrie, Shadow 1100, Kawi Nomad, hell even the Vulcan 750 has a touring option (shield and bags)), and some of them have decent passenger accomodations, but I agree, they look nice and ride in a straight line very well. Not for me. > A good sport touring bike can do all > three without getting off track. I think the design criteria > for a cruiser is to be able to ride into town "to style" and > maybe to take short (round) trips of less than 75-miles. Yep, as a vehicle for being seen and looking cool doing it, cruisers have no equal. That's about all they are good for, though. > Few people take multi-state, week long trips on cruisers. Depends on your defintion of few. Too few people take multi-state, week long trips on a motorcycle, period. > The latest evolution in the Harley craze is to trailer one's > cruiser to the outskirts of town (Sturgis, Daytona, etc) > then unload and ride in as if you'd come all the way across > five states. People are starting to call them Trailer Rallies. Yep, I wanna ride to Daytona some year (only about 700 miles from home, a nice day ride) and wear a homemade "I rode my Bike to Trailer Week" t-shirt, just to tick people off. My wife and I laugh at all the jet-ski's we see around here on trailers and call them "Water Harleys". > If it was easy to do it and with so many people clamming > for a short bike, it would have been here 15-years ago. One would think that, huh? I think that bike manufacturers are just clueless, and that maybe they'll get the hint soon. :) See ya! Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@tidalwave.net a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 14:03:58 -0800 (PST) From: Tony Miller Subject: Re: PC800: Got the Gas Drained! (Thanks!) To: Rich Gross , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Rich: They covered it real well with those quilts that movers use, and then they strapped it from the side around the forks in front (above the fender), along the side, and under the ducktail in the back. They used some wide straps. The bike was in gear, without either kickstand down. I was kind of surprised that they did not use the center stand. Is that clear as mud? If not, let me know and I'll try to explain further. Tony ---Rich Gross wrote: > > >By the way, the movers transported the bike without any damage, as far > >as I can tell. > > > Good to hear. So, how did you tie it down? > > Rich > Madison, WI > 1994 PC800: "Jetson" > > > == My homepage URL is http://members.tripod.com/~tlmiller/ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: FW: PC800: Break-in Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 17:09:44 -0500 Rob Hall wrote: >This was a challenge since I bought the bike in Atlanta and had to = drive it >400 miles home to NC on I-85 But Rob, you by-passed some of the most spectacular roads in the US to = fight the trucks on Interstate 85. Northern Georgia and Western NC = provide excellent motorcycling and would have allowed "proper" break in = of your new PC. IMHO, the only reason to EVER ride on an Interstate = hiway is that there's not enough time to reach your destination on = backroads. Interstates fall into the that classic description of = commerical flight - hours of boredom punctuated with moments of terror. = I don't go there (by motorcycle) unless I have to. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: DavidAklein@webtv.net (David Klein) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 18:24:42 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Fwd: PC-800 Serial # --WebTV-Mail-1605244308-2101 Dave Klein DavidAklein@WebTV.Net Fort Wayne,Indiana Awarded All American City Status For 1999 --WebTV-Mail-1605244308-2101 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: DavidAklein@webtv.net (David Klein) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 18:02:33 -0500 (EST) To: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: rprince@imps0014.us.dg.com Subject: PC-800 Serial # Hello Roger, My 1997 was purchased april/may 1997. It was built in 7/96. Serial #500127. The open front wheel is what sold me on the PC. In mar. of 97 i decided it was time to get rid of my 1981 Honda 750K4 which i had owned since 1984. It was still in really nice shape for that old. I was really pleased to see the wheel change for 97 on the PC. I ordered the PC with the taller windshield, pass. back rest, inside trunk lights, & trunk luggage bags. I've added blind spot mirrors, & black Honda Wing decals on the rear above the words Pacific Coast. I thought about adding a 3rd brake/stop light for better visibility from the rear, but i could not figure how to do it & make it look factory installed. I also bought a new Shoei RF 200 full face helmet. I gave that a lot of thought & went with white. To be seen, white is the color. Many GoldWingers wear white, & my Wife has white also. On days i don't wear a helmet i wear a white cap, again to help me be seen. I lined 1 trunk side with deer leather from a Whitetail buck i bagged near Black River Falls, Wisc. Known as the Deer Capital of Wisc. I put my helmet in this side & it does not get scratched. I now need to work on the backrest for my Lovely Wife, Make it taller for more back support. I love my PC & was surprised to learn of it's demise for 99. All for now. Dave Klein DavidAklein@WebTV.Net Fort Wayne,Indiana Awarded All American City Status For 1999 --WebTV-Mail-1605244308-2101-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC800 From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Re: We need a SHORT Tourer of "Sun, 01 Nov 1998 16:44:52 EST." <363CD654.69F3B948@tidalwave.net> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 18:54:55 -0600 Dale Horstman writes: > There used to be some wonderful bikes made that aren't anymore, > mainly big shaft-drive standard bikes (the '80s Kawasaki 1100 > LTD's, 90's Suzuki GSX1100G's, VX800's etc.) Makes me kick > myself for not getting into motorcycles earlier. If you aren't > into cruisers or racebikes - there isn't much choice out there > nowadays. That's a damned shame. I mentioned in an eariler post how I've lusted for a 1982 or 1983 Sabre V45 with the full touring package. Have heard the engine had some lubrication quirks resulting in top end failure at 20k miles but there are retrofit cures. One day if a bright red Sabre V45 with factory fairing and saddlebags appears in excellent condition I just might purchase it simply to keep someone else from having it. Have also been dreaming of a '70's Honda MiniTrail and/or SL-70. The SL-70 has to be yellow with a silver frame. When I was a kid those were the coolest things going. > > A good sport touring bike can do all > > three without getting off track. I think the design criteria > > for a cruiser is to be able to ride into town "to style" and > > maybe to take short (round) trips of less than 75-miles. > > Yep, as a vehicle for being seen and looking cool doing it, > cruisers have no equal. That's about all they are good for, though. Cuisers are good for ensuring economic viability for Chiropracters. Every one I've sat on has the handlebars and footpegs in perfect position for showroom posing. Once your body faces the wind your arms are forced to hold your back in position as you can't lay on the oncoming wind front. "Standard" bikes have seat, handlebars, and footpegs positioned correctly once your torso is laying on the oncoming wind. > > The latest evolution in the Harley craze is to trailer one's > > cruiser to the outskirts of town (Sturgis, Daytona, etc) > > then unload and ride in as if you'd come all the way across > > five states. People are starting to call them Trailer Rallies. I dunno. That's not recent. Ten or 15 years ago there was a BBQ pit in town that had almost no business except on Sunday when the Harley's showed up. A large percentage appeared on trailers and in the back of pickup trucks. Hooter's had a similar bikefest about a month before the GWRRA guys arrived for WingDing XX. All Harley's at Hooters. Plenty in pickup trucks and on trailers. Friend (on a CBX) and I (on PC800) took one look and ate at McDonalds. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: 89/90 PC WANTED Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 02:04:49 +0100 >Arvid Løvik wrote: >> I have got 2 enquieries from friends asking me to try to find them two >> low mileage bikes. >> >Don't know if this will help you in Norway, but I found mine here: >http://www.traderonline.com/cycle/index.shtml > Arvid, if you want to look closer to home, we got a lot of them in Holland. Supply of used PC's changes frequently as they are very popular here right now. There is one big MC network in Holland called Safe Motors (http://www.safe.nl). They were the ones that imported a lot of PC's from Canada and the US from '89 till '95. At their site (in dutch) you can click on 'Okesions' and then on the picture above the menu (Okesions-database). The rest speaks for itself. To save you the trouble, this is what they are offering right now: kleur BouwJaar Teller prijs lokatie (color Build Mileage Price Location) BEIGE 1991 48000 km 0 ROTTERDAM WIT 1993 57946 miles 11450 STAPHORST WIT 1989 30000 km 12750 VEENENDAAL ROOD 1993 45000 km 4950 VEENENDAAL WIT 1997 21000 km 13750 VEENENDAAL As you can see one seems to be free (0), but I can assure you they are no charitable organisation so that must be a mistake. I bought mine at Safe also (as did Arjan). It's fine to buy from them, but don't expect any further PC knowledge from them. They act like they know there (PC) stuff, but they really don't. f1 NLG Dutch Guilder = +/- $0.50 (not exactly, but it's around that figure). The '93 must be in poor shape. Wait a minute, a '93 ??? Wait another minute, a White '97 ?? Whatever, like I said, they don't know much about PC's, they just imported loads of them. If you would like me to look around more for PC's, I know of one other dealer in the area here which frequently has some PC's. He usually has sold them before they even enter his showroom, but still. Oh yeah, another word for beige is pearl white. Good luck, ___ [_ mile Nossin, '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Kingdom of the Netherlands, Santpoort "Looking at the average length of a modern fishing rod, the perception of the owner of that rod must be that most of the fish is at the other side of the creek." http://www.cybercomm.nl/~emile ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 19:11:42 -0600 From: Steve Wilson To: David Klein CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Fwd: PC-800 Serial # <> Please put your helmet on every time you're on the bike, for the times you aren't seen. White caps also soak up blood and brains much better than they soak up impact!!!! -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Break-in Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 02:27:48 +0100 >Rob Hall wrote: >>This was a challenge since I bought the bike in Atlanta and had to drive it >>400 miles home to NC on I-85 > Interstates fall into the that classic description of commerical flight - hours of boredom punctuated with moments of terror. I don't go >there (by motorcycle) unless I have to. >Jim Randall > That's why they call those interstates 'autobahns' in Germany (and 'autosnelweg' / 'autobaan' in Holland). They are made for automobiles. Life is so simple sometimes, isn't it ? Emile -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Re: We need a BIG Tourer Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 03:04:43 +0100 -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Dale Horstman >I don't know, I think the Honda Silverwing (500cc, came with >luggage, right?) and the BMW K75 were pretty close to what I was >talking about. They just don't make them anymore. I don't >know if I'd buy a BMW at their (outrageous?) resale values >anyway. > BMW makes the R850RT here in Holland. Offcourse it isn't sold in the US, you know the "bigger is better"- idea. It's the same bike as the R1100RT but slightly more manoeuvrable, slightly smoother, slightly leaner with the gas-mileage and slightly cheaper, but still way to expensive for me. Nice detail is that is has the identical performance of the R1100RT because they changed the end transmission (don't know if that's the right english word), only top speed is slightly lower. And we have the Yamaha XJ900S Diversion, which you could look at as a cheap VFR750 with more comfort, higher bars and a shaft drive. Don't forget the 24 liter tank, this bike is an absolute best seller in Europe. > They do, so it should be possible to >design a sport-tourer that fits the inseam-challenged >I really think a moderately priced Short-Tourer (notice the snazzy >name, too) would be a decent seller. I doubt it. The majority of motorcyclists are still men and I think it will stay that way purely because of hormonal reasons. Men are usually big people. Women aren't. I'm your height, 6'3". Okay, I'm more than twice as light (145lbs), but you must admit there are hardly any bikes around made for tall people. I want shaft drive with some form of fairing. That leaves just a handfull of bikes, the BMW RT ($$), the Conny (buzzy), the ST ($$ and very tight on my knees), the Deauville (no storage, no power), the XJ900S (okay, more power than the PC and big tank) and the PC (more fairing). I had a tough choice between the XJ and the PC. The great looks of the PC and the trunk trick convinced me (and it still was cheaper). I really hope the manufacturers (especially those tiny Japanese guys) start making some bigger bikes (i.o.shorter/smaller) in the future. I'm just a few centimeters above the average Dutch young guy and there are hardly any bikes around where I can stash my knees in. Those sleek looking knee-holders in the tanks look nice, but on 95% of the bikes they are too small for me. If my choice is full fairing, the ST and RT are the only bikes left (I believe they don't sell the Conny either anymore). You can't get any lighter / cheaper bikes with a full fairing. It would seem there is a big market for the PC, still it didn't sell. I think because of it's looks, I also get a lot of compliments for it's looks but only from cagers. I think Honda is trying again with the Deauville to see if that look will work. Time will tell..... ___ [_ mile Nossin, '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Kingdom of the Netherlands, Santpoort "Looking at the average length of a modern fishing rod, the perception of the owner of that rod must be that most of the fish is at the other side of the creek." http://www.cybercomm.nl/~emile ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 18:29:08 -0800 (PST) From: John La Subject: Re: PC800: RF800 Shoei To: Larry Furr , PC800 Larry- I got an RF800 and I am very happy with it. Comfort and quiet are great. It's the best helmet I've ever owned. Kinda like the PC800 is the best bike I ever owned... PS- Welcome to the non-lurker status! John ----------8<--- I have heard that the Shoei RF800 solid red is a close > match to the 98 PC. Any other good helmets in this color? > ---------8<----- == PC800 FAQ now online! Check it out- http://hhd.csun.edu/john/pcfaq.htm _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 00:29:29 -0500 From: Joe Beresford To: Tony Miller CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Got the Gas Drained! (Thanks!) glad your move turned ok! Like the Missing children banner on your homepage..... joe cincy -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 00:46:35 -0500 From: John Morgan RoBards To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: couple questions Read the note about riding without a helmet..... Just so happens that here in Louisville we were having a nice fall day... So took a ride to the park on the PC... Rounded a curve and there was a biker on the ground... He had hit the side of a car as he tried to pass on the left at about the same time the car was going to cross over the yellow live to park on wrong side of road.... For sure there was much going on wrong... The biker will survive... It knocked him silly, will leave him with road rash of the face (big strawberry bout the size of a softball) and the same on his leg.... You guessed it..... NO HELMET..... And this biker was just on a bicycle. The road don't care what you ride.... It's an equal opportunity punisher.... ouch! I also got a case of "clutch toe".... Is this common among all motorcyclists??? And I'm having a time trying to figure out how to raise my shock... Maybe I'm missing the special tool??? later jmr -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 22:34:46 -0500 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Jim Alexander , Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Honda Pacific Coast (PC800) Hi Jim, Jim Alexander wrote: > I'm still looking for my all of my original paperwork because I know it says > the warranty was 1 year. I believe you. I don't remember what the warranty was in '89, only the price that Menlo quoted me for the bike. When I bought mine in '94, one of the things that impressed me was the warranty on it (3 years, unlimited); the other was the price at $6498 which was why I bought when I did. I would have felt stung too if I had bought the same bike for a lot more money and got a shorter warranty to boot. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 118,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 22:39:23 -0500 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Jim Alexander , Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Honda Pacific Coast (PC800) Hi Jim, Jim Alexander wrote: > I'm still looking for my all of my original paperwork because I know it says > the warranty was 1 year. I believe you. I don't remember what the warranty was in '89, only the price that Menlo quoted me for the bike. I never new that the price was dropped in '90. By that time I was getting married and relocating; the two activities kept me busy for a while (grin). When I bought mine in '94, one of the things that impressed me was the warranty on it (3 years, unlimited); the other was the price at $6498 which was why I bought when I did. I would have felt stung too if I had bought the same bike for a lot more money and got a shorter warranty to boot. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 118,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 22:55:24 -0500 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: BernieK469@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: RE: PC Sales Hi Bernie, BernieK469@aol.com wrote: > To find that market today, watch who buyes the new BMW K1200LT as the Harley > fad fades. Does that new BMW remind anyone of anything? At least from the front... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 118,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 22:50:58 -0500 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: "Arvid L vik" , Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: 89/90 PC WANTED Hi Arvid, Arvid L vik wrote: > It seems like My friends have found out that the PC is not a bad bike > after all!!I think that the PC "grows" on You. I have got 2 enquieries > from friends asking me to try to find them two low mileage bikes. I > have done a lot of search on the net and found a few interresting > ones, but any help from You lot will make things even easier. Just a couple of days ago, someone posted a list of used PCs that came from the Internet. Did you see it? If not, maybe someone can repost the list for you. After starting to post this, I saw that the next message in my queue mentioned the URL for the list I was talking about... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 118,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 23:05:22 -0500 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: BobDuWah@aol.com, Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Got the Gas Drained! (Thanks!) Hi Bob, BobDuWah@aol.com wrote: > Just wondering if the gas tank on our PCs is plastic or metal? On every > previous bike I have owned they were metal and I would remove them and > store full of fuel in a constant temp area to prevent rust, but that is not > an > option now. Just curious If you ever remove the rider's seat or either of the side panels beneath the rider's seat you can see it. It is steel as is the filler that leads into it. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 118,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: Closet Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 11:13:36 +0100 Maybe I should have added that closet is dutch for water-closet which is also dutch for toilet which is also dutch (/french) for "the John". Get it, huhuh, get it ?? : )) Van: Jeffrey King >Most every rider who has seen mine has a closet >interest in the bike, [...] Jeff, you don't need to remind us the PC resembles a chemical toilet box, we know that joke allready. ; ) Emile http://www.cybercomm.nl/~emile -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 05:43:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 05:43:35 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: We need a SHORT Tourer In a message dated 11/1/98 4:42:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, Horkster@tidalwave.net writes: << There used to be some wonderful bikes made that aren't anymore, mainly big shaft-drive standard bikes (the '80s Kawasaki 1100 LTD's, 90's Suzuki GSX1100G's, VX800's etc.) Makes me kick myself for not getting into motorcycles earlier. If you aren't into cruisers or racebikes - there isn't much choice out there nowadays. That's a damned shame. >> Those are more utility bikes... Such bikes are still made and sold in other markets. The Honda Revere (NTV) and Deauville (touring model of the Revere) are examples... The perception is that such bikes won't sell over here. Regards, <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:46:46 +0100 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 11:46:45 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: arjana@hpc.uh.edu To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fwd: Re: PC800: 89/90 PC WANTED Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 11:46:45 +0000 hello list. A litle comment about de dutch dealer Safe. When i bought my bike ('89 with 43000 km's) i asked the sales guy where to check the oil level. The answer he gave was well you don't have to check the oil with this bike because it dos not use oil. I said that i still wanted to know it but he did not know where it could be found, also i asked how to change the light bulp in the front This was also not easy but the guys from the service told me that is was not easy but you had to remove a lot of plastic. Well thanks to the list i now know all these answers. Also when i made my first ride i noticed that the clutch was not oke. The answer i got concercing the clutch was: Its a touring bike and therefore the clutch is made for smooth riding so it look likes its almost trough. Well a few weeks after i bought my bike i went back and asked a engineer to drive my bike, after the ride he said well the clutch is allmost dead. Then i remebered himm that my bike was under warranty after that he told his chief that it wat not so bad and it should not be fixed right a way. But i said the bike is under warranty so they must replace it. So they replaced it and also replaired the conection between the exaust end pipe and the big exhaust box under the bike. now my bike is almost as good as it should be. But now my battery seems to be dead or my power circuit. BTW i learned that its very easy to start the pc enigine by pushing the bike and release the clutch in second gear. bye for now A.Andriessen PC 800 SKippy bike 45000 Km's >>Arvid L=F8vik wrote: >>> I have got 2 enquieries from friends asking me to try to find them two >>> low mileage bikes. >>> >>Don't know if this will help you in Norway, but I found mine here: >>http://www.traderonline.com/cycle/index.shtml >> >Arvid, >if you want to look closer to home, we got a lot of them in Holland. >Supply of used PC's changes frequently as they are very popular >here right now. There is one big MC network in Holland called >Safe Motors (http://www.safe.nl). They were the ones that imported >a lot of PC's from Canada and the US from '89 till '95. At their >site (in dutch) you can click on 'Okesions' and then on the picture >above the menu (Okesions-database). The rest speaks for itself. >To save you the trouble, this is what they are offering right now: > >kleur BouwJaar Teller prijs lokatie >(color Build Mileage Price Location) > >BEIGE 1991 48000 km 0 ROTTERDAM >WIT 1993 57946 miles 11450 STAPHORST >WIT 1989 30000 km 12750 VEENENDAAL >ROOD 1993 45000 km 4950 VEENENDAAL >WIT 1997 21000 km 13750 VEENENDAAL > >As you can see one seems to be free (0), but I can assure you >they are no charitable organisation so that must be a mistake. >I bought mine at Safe also (as did Arjan). It's fine to buy from them, >but don't expect any further PC knowledge from them. They act like >they know there (PC) stuff, but they really don't. f1 NLG Dutch Guilder >=3D +/- $0.50 (not exactly, but it's around that figure). The '93 must be >in poor shape. Wait a minute, a '93 ??? Wait another minute, a White '97 = >?? >Whatever, like I said, they don't know much about PC's, they just importe= >d >loads of them. If you would like me to look around more for PC's, I know >of one other dealer in the area here which frequently has some PC's. >He usually has sold them before they even enter his showroom, but still. >Oh yeah, another word for beige is pearl white. Good luck, >___ >[_ mile Nossin, '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" >[__urope, Kingdom of the Netherlands, Santpoort > >"Looking at the average length of a modern fishing rod, >the perception of the owner of that rod must be that >most of the fish is at the other side of the creek." > >http://www.cybercomm.nl/~emile >ICQ 17992318 >Emile@Cybercomm.nl > > > > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:53:33 +0100 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 11:53:32 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: arjana@hpc.uh.edu To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: radio and battery Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 11:53:32 +0000 Hi List. A little question, has it ever occured to one of you that by playing your radio with the enigine off the battery went empty? BTW when my key is in run position en my enigine is running i can remove my key without turning the key and the enigine running. In this situation i can by accident also let my lights on and thus also my radio is this normal? thanks A.Andriessen PC '89 Skippy bike 45k Km's -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 13:08:26 +0100 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:08:25 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: arjana@hpc.uh.edu To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fwd: Re: PC800: Break-in Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:08:25 +0000 >>Rob Hall wrote: >>>This was a challenge since I bought the bike in Atlanta and had to drive it >>>400 miles home to NC on I-85 >> Interstates fall into the that classic description of commerical flight - hours of boredom punctuated with moments of terror. I >don't go >there (by motorcycle) unless I have to. >>Jim Randall >> >That's why they call those interstates 'autobahns' in Germany (and 'autosnelweg' / 'autobaan' in Holland). >They are made for automobiles. >Life is so simple sometimes, isn't it ? > >Emile > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > Hi list there is one big difference with the interstates 'autobahns' in Germany. On most autobahns there is NO! speed limit. This means wat i says you can drive as fast as you like!!! But there is one little problem, when you are involved in an accident you have to prove that it also should have happenend when you only drove 130 km/h otherwise you are the quilty one. I live in Arnhem (Holland) that is near the German border so ones in a while i cross the border and drive full speed. I worked a few months in Germany and it was always so nice when i was drove home from work a could just step on the accelerator and drive full speed at 200 km/h with my car. Only the milage was very bad. I once drove 180 Km/h with my PC are there people who drove faster with a pc? I think down hill it must be possible to go 200 km/h. any one experience with down hill speeds? A.Andriessen '89 45000km Skippy bike -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 07:49:54 EST To: lcshepp@directcon.net, BobDuWah@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Gas tank capacity Yesterday I was riding with a couple of friends having a really good time when I realized that my gas gauge was in the red zone and I began to panic a bit mainly because I did not notice how long that it had been low. Long story short, made it to a gas station OK and filled it up- 3.4gals. I guess that this must have been the umpteenth time that I thought that I was running out of gas because of the under optimistic gas guage. My question is: Have any you coasters out there ever completely run out of gas and if so how many gallons did it take to fill it back up all the way? I know that the bike has a fuel pump so I am wondering if all of the gas is picked up by it. Total cap is supposed tobe 4.4 gal, but have never got close to that in a fill up. Thanx in advance. Russ Vernon '95PC 56Kmi -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu); Mon, 2 Nov 1998 08:54:31 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Randall, James R" To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: PC800: FW: Insurance Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 08:53:00 -0500 since there is more than a little animosity toward insurers on this list, I thought you might find the bullet on the insurers comparison website of interest; sorry about the other I/T stuff but I have forwarded the entire note to preserve copyrights Jim Randall Eastman Chemical Company Information Technology (423) 229-4913 > -----Original Message----- > From: InformationWeek [SMTP:news@daily.informationweek.com] > Sent: Monday, November 02, 1998 00:28 > To: JIM RANDALL > Subject: InformationWeek Daily 11/02/98 > > Good Morning! Today is Nov. 2. 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To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 10:06:30 -0400 To: From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: PC800: silly activity No. 83 At a stop light, in first gear, grab the front brake lever hard, no back brake, feather the clutch out and open the throttle. The bike's front end will dive, the back end will lift dramatically and people all around will look at you. Do not imagine that this makes the PC look like a musclled tiger preparing to pounce. It is more like an overweight lady of the evening attempting to get your attention by jumping up and down and heaving her ample bosom. If you have a passenger on, the effect for him or her is exactly as if you had given a quarter to a kid to ride one of those mechanical horsies at the mall. My friends have told me they will stay at least one block away from me if I ever do this again when I'm out riding with them. (Obligatory warnings: yes this is a little hard on your clutch. But fun things are always hard on something. And if your hand slips off the clutch or the brake, your PC will lunge and fall.) -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 09:40:38 -0500 Subject: Re: PC800: silly activity No. 83 To: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca writes: >At a stop light, in first gear, grab the front brake lever hard, no back >brake, feather the clutch out and open the throttle. The bike's front end >will dive, the back end will lift dramatically and people all around will >look at you. >My friends have told me they will stay at least one block away from me if >I >ever do this again when I'm out riding with them. Oh these wild and crazy Canadians! I guess we'll all recognize Dan if we see him stopped at a light:-) Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 10:18:15 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Bill & Cheryl Subject: Re: PC800: CopCycle PC-800 At 11:59 PM 10/29/98 -0500, David Klein wrote: >Want to see & read a great article about a PC Patrol Bike? Check out >HRCA's bi-monthly magazine called HONDA RED RIDER. Page 13 of the >May/june 1998 issue. A PC protects & serves on the Gulf Coast. Longboat >Key Police Dept. state of Florda . That reminds me... I saw a PC cop bike in Cobb County, GA. It was on I 75. It was painted brown with large graphics on the side. I only got a glimpse of it as I was passing in the opposite direction. Bill Johnson West Palm Beach, FL 89PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PRGormley@aol.com for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 11:32:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 11:32:23 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Gas tank capacity I went down to visit a client in jail a few weeks ago and, because I'm on a major highway, realized "almost" too late that I was getting low on fuel. I thought, "well, I've heard that gauge is pessimistic" and kept going. About ten miles later that gauge is still giving me that (perceived) red glare of the red zone. I stop. I fill up. Can see the fuel in the tank filler neck. 2.5 gallons. 2.5 gallons? I'm thinking "are you kidding?" How could I be in the red? Got me. Sure makes it hard to give reasonable estimates of fuel remaining. - PRG -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tim J. Clevenger" To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: PC800: Break-in Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 08:35:54 -0800 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu What page in the manual is that on? The manual for my '98 says to "ride = moderately for the first 300 miles." I've been keeping it under 4,000 = (59 mph), and it makes the freeways a bit scary. Regards, Tim Clevenger '98 PC800 ("Sweet 16") 196 miles and counting! ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com[SMTP:JTSMCRIDER@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, October 31, 1998 7:42 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Break-in Hi, Dave: I've always had good luck following the manufacturer's break-in recommendations in the owners' manual. I commend that procedure to you. = The only hard part is staying under the rev limits on the interstate without getting run over. I'd stick to the back roads 'til the odometer says = it's time to let the revs get above 5K. J. T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 09:02:13 -0700 From: "Roy Thomassen" X-Sent-Mail: off Subject: Re: PC800: Gas tank capacity X-Sender-Ip: 204.160.216.31 I have heard that you can expect 190-200 miles out of a tank. This is if you run the tank dry. I start looking for gas at 145-150 miles. I have been keeping records with mileage and amount of gas. The most I have ever put in is 3.678 gallons after 165.2 miles on the tripmeter. When I fill up I write down the date, miles on the tripmeter, odometer setting, gallons, total cost, and cost per gallon. I enter the data into an excel spreadsheet later. This morning's fillup was 153.4 miles, 3.505 gallons, cost 4.20, ppg was 1.199, mpg was 43.77. Yeah I know, we pay way too much for gas here in Silicon Valley. Blue Skies and fun rides, Roy T. -- On Mon, 2 Nov 1998 11:32:23 PRGormley wrote: >I went down to visit a client in jail a few weeks ago and, because I'm on a >major highway, realized "almost" too late that I was getting low on fuel. I >thought, "well, I've heard that gauge is pessimistic" and kept going. About >ten miles later that gauge is still giving me that (perceived) red glare of >the red zone. I stop. I fill up. Can see the fuel in the tank filler neck. >2.5 gallons. 2.5 gallons? I'm thinking "are you kidding?" How could I be in >the red? > >Got me. Sure makes it hard to give reasonable estimates of fuel remaining. - >PRG > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 13:14:12 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: Gas tank capacity PRG writes: >2.5 gallons? I'm thinking "are you kidding?" How could I be in >the red? This should be in the FAQ. The PC's gas gauge is skewed. When it says half it really means a third, when it's at the beginning of reserve you're about at a quarter. You don't really run out of gas until it points to the nozzle on the gas pump icon. Check it out for yourself with an extra liter of fuel in a Sigg fuel bottle in the trunk some time. You (or someone) may want to make up a little calibration chart by going to the garage at different gas guage pointer settings, filling up, and recording that as a fraction of total capacity (less whatever reserve you feel comfortable with.) and possibly marking the gas guage or just remembering it. -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Delivered-To: fixup-pc800@hpc.uh.edu@fixme by phnxpop2.phnx.uswest.net with SMTP; 2 Nov 1998 17:19:24 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 10:19:24 -0700 From: Bob Coffman To: RVPC800@aol.com CC: lcshepp@directcon.net, BobDuWah@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Gas tank capacity Hi Bob, On a recent 6,000 mile trip, I had an occasion to test the gas gods a few times. As I understand it the tank holds 4.2 gals., exclusive of the neck. I took 4.192 gals once at 181 miles. I weigh 225 lbs, have a rifle shield and was traveling at 75-80 mph. The gauge is cautiously conservative to the point of absurdity! Mines an '89 and I love it! Bob C. RVPC800@aol.com wrote: > Yesterday I was riding with a couple of friends having a really good time when > I realized that my gas gauge was in the red zone and I began to panic a bit > mainly because I did not notice how long that it had been low. Long story > short, made it to a gas station OK and filled it up- 3.4gals. I guess that > this must have been the umpteenth time that I thought that I was running out > of gas because of the under optimistic gas guage. My question is: Have any you > coasters out there ever completely run out of gas and if so how many gallons > did it take to fill it back up all the way? I know that the bike has a fuel > pump so I am wondering if all of the gas is picked up by it. Total cap is > supposed tobe 4.4 gal, but have never got close to that in a fill up. > > Thanx in advance. > > Russ Vernon > '95PC > 56Kmi > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:19:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:19:06 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Break-in Tim writes: << What page in the manual is that on? The manual for my '98 says to "ride moderately for the first 300 miles." I've been keeping it under 4,000 (59 mph), and it makes the freeways a bit scary. >> For the '89, it's on page 45. However, my '98 VFR manual says much the same as your '98 PC manual. I thought the VFR was different because of the new cyclinder liner technology, but maybe Honda has changed its mind about proper break-in for all of its motorcycles. (Or maybe they're just tired of having their machines last so long and are trying this as a new Make-'em-break; they'll-buy-more marketing strategy.) J. T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:23:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:23:22 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: Returned mail: User unknown A. Andriessen writes: << I once drove 180 Km/h with my PC are there people who drove faster with a pc?>> I once had my '89 indicating 185 kph (115 mph) with the tall Hondaline windscreen installed. The bike was "topped out" at that speed on a straight and (I think) level stretch of highway in western Arizona several years ago. With the stock windscreen (or better yet my 5-inches-shorter-than-stock cutdown windscreen) it might get to an indicated 200 kph on a long downslope, but I've never had the inclination to try it given the silly attitude law makers and enforcers have about such things here in the U.S. Of course, all of this is speaking of indicated speed. There is some degree of optimism in the speedometer; so, indicated speed is lower than actual speed. With the PC's gearing, the maximum actual speed should be around 187 kph (116 mph) at 7600 rpm. J. T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:24:35 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Betty Lise Anderson Subject: PC800: gas tank on empty Last week I ran the gas tank so the the needle was BELOW the red zone, with a gap the size of the gap between the red zone and the safety zone on the gas gauge. It required 3.4 gallons to fill it to the tab in the neck. Betty Lise Anderson Dept. Of Electrical Engineering The Ohio State University 205 Dreese Lab 2015 Neil Avenue Columbus OH check out the cool zip code 43210 http://eewww.eng.ohio-state.edu/~anderson/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JRBPilot@aol.com for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:32:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:32:10 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: gas tank on empty Doesn't sound as if any of us have been able to run one dry. Not that I look forward to walking for gas, I have never been able to put more than 3.2 gallons in mine, and I thought it was almost dry. I wonder why Honda did not put a reserve switch or a low fuel warning light as they have on older models? Jeff in Cincinnati '96 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@kpt1.tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:53:26 -0500 (EST) From: James R Randall To: RVPC800@aol.com cc: lcshepp@directcon.net, BobDuWah@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Gas tank capacity when the needle points to the red square there is about 1 gallon of gas in the tank. When it points to the loop in the hose on the image of a gasoline pump, there's about .5 gals. I reset my trip guage at every fill up and usually show about 150 miles when "in the red", about 175 miles when in the "loop". Just learn to trust it! On Mon, 2 Nov 1998 RVPC800@aol.com wrote: > Yesterday I was riding with a couple of friends having a really good time when > I realized that my gas gauge was in the red zone and I began to panic a bit > mainly because I did not notice how long that it had been low. Long story > short, made it to a gas station OK and filled it up- 3.4gals. I guess that > this must have been the umpteenth time that I thought that I was running out > of gas because of the under optimistic gas guage. My question is: Have any you > coasters out there ever completely run out of gas and if so how many gallons > did it take to fill it back up all the way? I know that the bike has a fuel > pump so I am wondering if all of the gas is picked up by it. Total cap is > supposed tobe 4.4 gal, but have never got close to that in a fill up. > > Thanx in advance. > > Russ Vernon > '95PC > 56Kmi > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:56:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Frank P. Cook" To: pc800list Subject: PC800: Toys for Tots Ride Hi PC'ers, Todays morning newspaper, the Philadelphia Inquirer, estimated there were about 52,000 bikers out in downtown Philly for the annual Toys for Tots bike ride yesterday. It was a fun ride. At least %60 of the bikes were Harleys, so as you can imagine, the noise was deafening! Maybe %10 Goldwings. I only saw one other PC. Was anyone else on this list there? _______________________________________ - Frank Cook - AMA, HSTA Red, 1990 PC 800, 15,900 Miles _______________________________________ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by velocity1.velocity.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA09316 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 13:24:35 -0500 (EST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Robert Lechner" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Break-in Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 13:22:37 -0500 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu My dealer was kind enough to go over the manual with me. On page 48 it says to avoid full-throttle and rapid acceleration for the 1st 300 miles (500km). The dealer also suggested I run at no more than 80% of redline and avoid full-throttle acceleration for the 1st 1,000 miles. Also, to encourage their customers to come in for the 600 mile check/oil change, the dealer only charges $45US! They checked all controls, fluid levels, front wheel bearing/fork alignment, changed oil & filter and checked the carburetor synchronization (I got to watch--it was dead on...required no adjustment). All this took at least an hour, plus oil & filter cost...they couldn't be making money...maybe break-even. I'll put on a new Honda filter and switch to Mobil1 at 3,600 miles and repeat every 3,000 - 4,000 thereafter. BTW, on my gas gauge, I'm usually at about 150 miles when I'm just edging into the red zone. When I fill it up, I put in about 3.2 US Gal. I believe the manual says that you have 0.8 US Gal when you enter the red...sounds about right. It would seem that the PC is pretty consistent about this, based upon eperiences posted on this list. Best Regards, Bob ----------------------------------- Bob Lechner, Erie, PA '98 PC800W "Rosebud" 2394 miles since 4 August, 1998 -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Tim J. Clevenger To: 'pc800@hpc.uh.edu' Date: Monday, November 02, 1998 11:40 AM Subject: RE: PC800: Break-in >What page in the manual is that on? The manual for my '98 says to "ride moderately for the first 300 miles." I've been keeping it under 4,000 (59 mph), and it makes the freeways a bit scary. > >Regards, > >Tim Clevenger >'98 PC800 ("Sweet 16") 196 miles and counting! > >---------- >From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com[SMTP:JTSMCRIDER@aol.com] >Sent: Saturday, October 31, 1998 7:42 PM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Re: PC800: Break-in > >Hi, Dave: > >I've always had good luck following the manufacturer's break-in >recommendations in the owners' manual. I commend that procedure to you. The >only hard part is staying under the rev limits on the interstate without >getting run over. I'd stick to the back roads 'til the odometer says it's >time to let the revs get above 5K. > >J. T. >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Chuck Chiodini" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: gordon@gerbing.com Subject: PC800: Electric gloves/vest Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 10:32:28 PST Fellow listers: Need some sound advice on choosing some electrical heated gloves and riding vest for some long distance winter riding. My choices: 1) Widder, good reputation, sponsor of Iron Butt events (a big factor for me), slightly cheaper prices, lowest current draw. On the negative side, their gloves aren't all leather and don't have elements in the palm. Vest looks thin and non-bulky. 2) Gerbing, all leather gloves with heated palm. I've tried on a pair at the last Honda Hoot and found them "toasty warm" while still being thin and flexible. Haven't seen the vest (exact same price as Widder). I will order both the gloves and vest from the same company to avoid compatibility problems. I also plan on going with the "bare bones" "On/Off" switch rather than an automatic thermostat as I feel I can handle the extra work of turning the juice on and off. Any comments on your experiences with either company would be appreciated. Is there any way that I can wire the gloves separately from the vest so I could control each independently? I'll forward this message to both companies and will post their response to this list. Thanks for your time and input Chuck Chiodini in Fayetteville, NC 89 PC800 "Scooter" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 12:29:27 -0500 From: Kenneth Winter To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Aahh, I am spooked by my PC. List members: I need input again. In my enthusiasm to learn about my new PC, I tracked down the previous owner of my wrecked PC. I bought it from a Motorcyle wholseller. After several dead-end phone calls, I was able to contact the insurer of the motorcycle. She informed me that the previous owner had died in the accident. It is hard to believe, given the limited damage showing on the bike. I just fill funny about the whole situation. Now what do I do???? Kenneth Winter East TN -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 15:15:59 -0500 Subject: Re: PC800: Aahh, I am spooked by my PC. To: KLW@centuryinter.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) My first thought is that if the motorcycle had so little damage in that accident, then it must be one lucky Pacific Coast so you'd better stay close to it. On the bright side, this new information opens up a whole new area for the naming of your Pacific Coast. Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" KLW@centuryinter.net writes: >List members: > >I need input again. > >In my enthusiasm to learn about my new PC, I tracked down the previous >owner of my wrecked PC. I bought it from a Motorcyle wholseller. After >several dead-end phone calls, I was able to contact the insurer of the >motorcycle. She informed me that the previous owner had died in the >accident. It is hard to believe, given the limited damage showing on >the bike. > >I just fill funny about the whole situation. Now what do I do???? > > >Kenneth Winter >East TN -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 15:12:02 -0500 Subject: Re: PC800: Electric gloves/vest To: chiodinc@hotmail.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, gordon@gerbing.com, mgvlahos@aol.com From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) I am anxiously awaiting delivery of my Gerbing's heated outfit. This is the 4th week since I placed the order and I was told it would take 3-4 weeks. They custom make the jacket and pants to your measurements. That means I can't give you any personal experience information except the ordering and maybe a bit of product information. I ordered everything: heated Ultimate jacket (200 denier nylon, not the heavy one), heated Ultimate pants (again the 200 denier nylon), heated gloves (more expensive water resistant), and heated socks (hey, why not?). The jacket comes with the quilted vest, but they also have a light weight heated vest you can buy to wear under anything. I wasn't sure from your message if the Widder "thin and non-bulky" was a plus or a minus for you. Gerbing's will also electify the lining of an existing jacket you have. I thought that was a neat idea. I met Mike Vlahos (Gerbing's rep for the East Coast) in the lobby of the Baltimore International Airport in October on my layover between flights and he had the jacket , pants, and gloves there for me to try on. I liked them so much that Mike measured me for everything (in the lobby) and I placed the order. I guess this tells you a bit about customer service, at least from "Above and Beyond" Mike. I found the gloves to fit very well, so the electric heating can do nothing but add to the comfort. Heat control... >From all the suggestions already on the pc800 list about heated clothing I went for the thermostat control. There was unanimous agreement that the on/off switch was a real pain. From looking at the wiring on the clothing I bought I don't see why you can't put a control (mix and match if you like) on each piece of clothing. It just means more wires running back to the battery, or where ever you are connecting them. I'm installing an accessory outlet on the left side of my fairing (John Deere "just like BMW" plug) I hope this helps in some small way. Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" chiodinc@hotmail.com writes: >Fellow listers: > Need some sound advice on choosing some electrical heated gloves and >riding vest for some long distance winter riding. My choices: > >1) Widder, good reputation, sponsor of Iron Butt events (a big factor >for me), slightly cheaper prices, lowest current draw. On the negative >side, their gloves aren't all leather and don't have elements in the >palm. Vest looks thin and non-bulky. > >2) Gerbing, all leather gloves with heated palm. I've tried on a pair at >the last Honda Hoot and found them "toasty warm" while still being thin >and flexible. Haven't seen the vest (exact same price as Widder). > > I will order both the gloves and vest from the same company to avoid >compatibility problems. I also plan on going with the "bare bones" >"On/Off" switch rather than an automatic thermostat as I feel I can >handle the extra work of turning the juice on and off. Any comments on >your experiences with either company would be appreciated. Is there any >way that I can wire the gloves separately from the vest so I could >control each independently? > I'll forward this message to both companies and will post their >response to this list. > >Thanks for your time and input >Chuck Chiodini in Fayetteville, NC >89 PC800 "Scooter" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Adrian Zai" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: Aahh, I am spooked by my PC. Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 15:19:45 -0500 Let's hope that his ghost is not going to come and haunt you for taking his PC away from him. =) Seriously though, I would check that frame twice and make sure that it hasn't been damaged. I wouldn't be taking any chances. Adrian Zai '98 PC800 AMA# 676212 -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Kenneth Winter To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Monday, November 02, 1998 1:37 PM Subject: PC800: Aahh, I am spooked by my PC. >List members: > >I need input again. > >In my enthusiasm to learn about my new PC, I tracked down the previous >owner of my wrecked PC. I bought it from a Motorcyle wholseller. After >several dead-end phone calls, I was able to contact the insurer of the >motorcycle. She informed me that the previous owner had died in the >accident. It is hard to believe, given the limited damage showing on >the bike. > >I just fill funny about the whole situation. Now what do I do???? > > >Kenneth Winter >East TN >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: radio and battery Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 21:49:32 +0100 >BTW when my key is in run position en my enigine is running i >can remove my key without turning the key and the enigine >running. In this situation i can by accident also let my lights >on and thus also my radio is this normal? > I can't remove my key when it is in the run position, very weird on your bike. That can never be normal, I think. Hmmm..... ___ [_ mile Nossin, '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Kingdom of the Netherlands, Santpoort "Looking at the average length of a modern fishing rod, the perception of the owner of that rod must be that most of the fish is at the other side of the creek." http://www.cybercomm.nl/~emile ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DS3ZDTMQ; Mon, 02 Nov 1998 16:02:58 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:40:11 -0800 Subject: Re: PC800: Gas tank capacity From: jdc84@juno.com (Joyce D Calvert) On the Death Valley ride here Ca last month, I stretched my gas tank as far as I'd ever like to. I put 4.071 gallons in it when we finally stopped and filled up. The gas gauge was WAY past the red line and up around the hose part of the pump icon. It was almost to the pump handle on that icon. Joyce Sonoma County, Ca On Mon, 2 Nov 1998 07:49:54 EST RVPC800@aol.com writes: My question is: Have >any you >coasters out there ever completely run out of gas and if so how many >gallons >did it take to fill it back up all the way? I know that the bike has a >fuel >pump so I am wondering if all of the gas is picked up by it. Total cap >is >supposed tobe 4.4 gal, but have never got close to that in a fill up. > >Thanx in advance. > >Russ Vernon >'95PC >56Kmi >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tim J. Clevenger" To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: PC800: radio and battery Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 13:15:54 -0800 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu It happens on cars, too. Something has worn to the point where the key = can be extracted without turning the key off. I don't know if it would = either be the key or the lock. You might try a new key and see if it = helps. Other than that, unless you want to pay to have the bike = rekeyed, I'd just try to remember to check that the key is all the way = off. Regards, Tim Clevenger '98 PC800 ("Sweet 16") ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Emile Nossin[SMTP:Emile@Cybercomm.nl] Sent: Monday, November 02, 1998 12:49 PM To: PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: radio and battery >BTW when my key is in run position en my enigine is running i >can remove my key without turning the key and the enigine >running. In this situation i can by accident also let my lights >on and thus also my radio is this normal? > I can't remove my key when it is in the run position, very weird on your bike. That can never be normal, I think. Hmmm..... ___ [_ mile Nossin, '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Kingdom of the Netherlands, Santpoort =20 "Looking at the average length of a modern fishing rod, the perception of the owner of that rod must be that most of the fish is at the other side of the creek." =20 http://www.cybercomm.nl/~emile ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:33:58 -0400 To: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Aahh, I am spooked by my PC. Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 3:15 PM -0500 11/2/98, PC800 Rider wrote: >My first thought is that if the motorcycle had so little damage in that >accident, then it must be one lucky Pacific Coast so you'd better stay >close to it. On the bright side, this new information opens up a >whole new >area for the naming of your Pacific Coast. > > >Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 >Seneca Falls, New York 13148 > Tim....in regards to your comment in that last sentence...........you are in need of professional help. I think you are a sick and twisted individual. By the way, those are the things I like about you. It explains why we get along so well !! And to Kenneth Winter, the owner of the infamous bike, is it an '89? You could name it Casper. fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ROBJHALL@aol.com for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:00:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:00:44 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Radio, plugs and edging Coasters: I spent the weekend taking my Kenwood/Honda Radio out of my 89 to go into my new 96. Not a hard job just time consuming. I've got all the original wiring out of the 89 along with the antenna and the radio. Anythoughts on how to patch/repair the holes in the trunk and on the handlebar plastic? Also what's the best way to get power to the new radio. I have power plugs but can't figure ouit where they came from? Also, imagine my surprise when I got the side covers off and noticed that both spark plugs on my 96 are located on the same side! On the 89 they're off set. When did they change that set Up? last but not last least I got the Saeng edging on the right way and took it to worek and back today. A notciable difference in wind noise but still not as quiet as would like. I really like looking over the winscreen but miss the quiet of the tall windshield I have on my 89. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:12:36 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Betty Lise Anderson Subject: Fwd: Re: PC800: radio and battery >>BTW when my key is in run position en my enigine is running i >>can remove my key without turning the key and the enigine >>running. In this situation i can by accident also let my lights >>on and thus also my radio is this normal? >> >I can't remove my key when it is in the run position, >very weird on your bike. That can never be normal, I think. >Hmmm..... >___ Darn! I was hoping it was true! Cna't tell you how many times I've started the engine, then realized I needed something from the trunk! Betty Lise Anderson Dept. Of Electrical Engineering The Ohio State University 205 Dreese Lab 2015 Neil Avenue Columbus OH check out the cool zip code 43210 http://eewww.eng.ohio-state.edu/~anderson/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 13:37:29 -0900 From: jgoula To: ROBJHALL@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Radio, plugs and edging ROBJHALL@aol.com wrote: > Also, imagine my surprise when I got the side covers off and noticed that both > spark plugs on my 96 are located on the same side! On the 89 they're off set. > When did they change that set Up? Well, since you didn't add a smiley face, I'll consider your question a serious one. This is actually a newbie mistake. The PC has two plugs per cylinder, one on either side of each cylinder. How long have you been running with only two fresh plugs? :-) -- Juan Fairbanks, Alaska Lat.: 64.847°N, Long.: 147.717°W Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure. Aldous Huxley --------------------------------------------------------- School of Fisheries and Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks (907)474-5520 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: LRaeMiller@aol.com for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 18:08:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 18:08:08 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: radio and battery In a message dated 11/2/1998 4:15:20 PM Central Standard Time, anderson@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu writes: > >>BTW when my key is in run position en my enigine is running i > >>can remove my key without turning the key and the enigine > >>running. In this situation i can by accident also let my lights > >>on and thus also my radio is this normal? > >> > >I can't remove my key when it is in the run position, > >very weird on your bike. That can never be normal, I think. > >Hmmm..... > >___ > > Darn! I was hoping it was true! Cna't tell you how many times I've started > the engine, then realized I needed something from the trunk! > That's why I carry and extra key when I ride! Lynda Wichita, KS 1990 PC800 "Val" 16,700 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 18:12:06 -0500 From: Joe Beresford To: RVPC800@aol.com, pc 800 list Subject: Re: PC800: Gas tank capacity I ran out a couple of times durring the Alaska Highway trans Canada expedition....when up there always carry a 3 gal. plastic can of gas with you.... once I missed the gas stop in Banff/Canadian Rockies oooppsss... yes once the needle passes below the pump on the guage you hit the 'p'... that's p for push! Fireman Joe http://w3.one.net/~cableguy -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: radio and battery Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 00:18:58 +0100 >> >I can't remove my key when it is in the run position, >> >very weird on your bike. That can never be normal, I think. >> >Hmmm..... >> >> Darn! I was hoping it was true! Cna't tell you how many times I've started >> the engine, then realized I needed something from the trunk! >That's why I carry and extra key when I ride! >Lynda > To open the trunk while you ride ?? Sheesh, and they tell me I'm blond ! ; ))) ___ [_ mile Nossin, '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Kingdom of the Netherlands, Santpoort "Parking tickets exist by the grace of windshield whipers." http://www.cybercomm.nl/~emile ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: FW: Re: PC800: radio and battery Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 18:36:24 -0500 Somewhere in the archives is a reference to the fact that the '89s have = a different ignition switch than do later models. I think the '89s have = the "park" position in which the taillight remains on. This was common = on mid-80ies Hondas but my '95 doesn't do this, nor can the key be = removed in run position. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Betty Lise Anderson [SMTP:anderson@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu] Sent: Monday, November 02, 1998 5:13 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fwd: Re: PC800: radio and battery >>BTW when my key is in run position en my enigine is running i >>can remove my key without turning the key and the enigine >>running. In this situation i can by accident also let my lights >>on and thus also my radio is this normal? >> >I can't remove my key when it is in the run position, >very weird on your bike. That can never be normal, I think. >Hmmm..... >___ Darn! I was hoping it was true! Cna't tell you how many times I've = started the engine, then realized I needed something from the trunk! Betty Lise Anderson Dept. Of Electrical Engineering The Ohio State University 205 Dreese Lab 2015 Neil Avenue Columbus OH check out the cool zip code = 43210 http://eewww.eng.ohio-state.edu/~anderson/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Subject: Re: PC800: Radio, plugs and edging Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 23:46:44 -0000 Is that two 'fresh' plugs on one cylinder !! ;-)) ---------- > From: jgoula > To: ROBJHALL@aol.com > Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: PC800: Radio, plugs and edging > Date: Monday, November 02, 1998 10:37 PM > > ROBJHALL@aol.com wrote: > > > Also, imagine my surprise when I got the side covers off and noticed that both > > spark plugs on my 96 are located on the same side! On the 89 they're off set. > > When did they change that set Up? > > Well, since you didn't add a smiley face, I'll consider your question a > serious one. > This is actually a newbie mistake. The PC has two plugs per cylinder, > one on either side of each cylinder. How long have you been running with > only two fresh plugs? :-) > > -- > Juan > Fairbanks, Alaska > Lat.: 64.847°N, Long.: 147.717°W > > Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure. > Aldous Huxley > --------------------------------------------------------- > School of Fisheries and Ocean Sciences > University of Alaska Fairbanks > (907)474-5520 > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: DavidAklein@webtv.net (David Klein) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 20:52:31 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: PC-800 Fuel Gauge Hello Riders, I wanted to respond to talk about the Fuel tank. The owner's manual says the tank holds 4.2 gal. I wish it was 5.2 gal. This is one of my few complaints about the PC. I average between 45-50 M.P.G. depending on how fast i drive at Interstate speeds. I never want to run out of gas with my PC, so when i fill up, i always reset the trip odometer. When the fuel gauge hits empty & the odometer reads 150, i fill up. One day the odometer hit 175 miles before i could fill up. I put in 3.6 Gal. My old CB 750K4 had a bigger tank & i was used to going 200mi. before filling up. Dave Klein DavidAklein@WebTV.Net Fort Wayne,Indiana Awarded All American City Status For 1999 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: DavidAklein@webtv.net (David Klein) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 21:30:28 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: PC fuel tank I agree about the reserve, my old 750K4 had that. Dave Klein DavidAklein@WebTV.Net Fort Wayne,Indiana Awarded All American City Status For 1999 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 18:32:55 -0800 From: Mark Ham To: RVPC800@aol.com CC: lcshepp@directcon.net, BobDuWah@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Gas tank capacity Actually the gas tank has a capacity of 4.2 gallons. I've gone as far as 185 mile before a fill up and the tank took 3.8 gallons. When I ride, I only use the gauge as a secondary source. My primary source and in determining if I need to worry about having to fill up is my trip meter. When it reaches 175, I worry. Also, when your the needle reaches the red mark, you have approximately 0.8 gallons of gas. If you know how many mile per gallon you get on your bike, you can do the math. Happy riding. Mark Ham Sacramento CA mham@jps.net PC800 '96 RVPC800@aol.com wrote: > Yesterday I was riding with a couple of friends having a really good time when > I realized that my gas gauge was in the red zone and I began to panic a bit > mainly because I did not notice how long that it had been low. Long story > short, made it to a gas station OK and filled it up- 3.4gals. I guess that > this must have been the umpteenth time that I thought that I was running out > of gas because of the under optimistic gas guage. My question is: Have any you > coasters out there ever completely run out of gas and if so how many gallons > did it take to fill it back up all the way? I know that the bike has a fuel > pump so I am wondering if all of the gas is picked up by it. Total cap is > supposed tobe 4.4 gal, but have never got close to that in a fill up. > > Thanx in advance. > > Russ Vernon > '95PC > 56Kmi > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: CyVaquero@aol.com for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 21:55:45 +1900 (EST) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 21:55:45 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Summer Trip Okay Ladies and Gents, Here is the mission, the Missus and I are planning a three/four week ride/vacation in June/July time frame. What we would like to do is take a northern/southern route from Yuma, AZ, with the only required stops being in Lakeland, FL and State College, PA to visit my family (and NYC to visit the in-laws). So give us your suggestions, if we head out on a southern route we want to return on a northern, and vice versa. Two more things, we would also like equipment suggestions from you long trippers (we want to camp as much as possible but are not die hard about it.) Lastly, could one of our friends from the Great White North tell us what visa requirements there are for my wife. She is a Colombian national with a US Resident Visa. The point of the trip is to give my wife a wide taste of the US ( and possibly some of Canada) Thanks, CyVaquero '96 PC, 3000K Hondaline Backrest Thanks, CyVaquero -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 21:57:18 +1900 (EST) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 21:57:18 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Electric gloves/vest Hi, Chuck: Diane has the Widder vest and gloves, and she likes them very much. Actually, the gloves she got from Widder (many years ago) are made by Hatch, and they are all leather. Maybe Widder is making their own now; I don't really know. I'd advise getting the thermostat. I've worn her vest a couple of times, and it will flat cook you if left on for any length of time. I think you'll be fooling with the on/off switch so often it will quickly get to be a pain in the uh huh. J. T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 339 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 22:42:54 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 22:46:50 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: PC-800 Fuel Gauge David Klein wrote: > > Hello Riders, I wanted to respond to talk about the Fuel tank. The > owner's manual says the tank holds 4.2 gal. I wish it was 5.2 gal. > When the fuel gauge hits empty & the odometer reads 150, i > fill up. One day the odometer hit 175 miles before i could fill up. I > put in 3.6 Gal. What I don't understand about you PC Pilots is why you don't just stick a little $2 lcd clock over that silly gas gauge you guys have and just use your trip meter. If you know your average gas mileage, your trip meter is the most accurage gauge that you are gonna get. If you are getting a minimum of 45 mpg, and have a 4.2 gallon tank, you should be able to go 180 miles minimum before a fill up. Probably could stretch to 200 miles if you are sensible with the throttle hand. Assuming that the PC uses a float sensor like other bikes I've seen, has anyone ever figure out a way to pull out the float and bend it a little to get a little more realistic reading? Shouldn't be too hard, but then again, I've never pulled body parts off one (yet!). Regards, Horkster Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@tidalwave.net a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 22:01:36 -0600 From: Jeffrey King To: PC800 List Subject: PC800: Fuel Gauge answer Ok Fellow Coasters and Coasterettes, Don't go bending any fuel gauge sensors or anything like that. The gauge is made that way on purpose! Since the PC doesn't have a reserve, the fuel gauge IS your reserve. When it gets down into the read zone, it's time to fill up. What there is beyond the red is reserve. Treat it just like the reserve petcock on your other bikes. When you run out, you put it on reserve and find a gas station, right? On the PC, when it goes into the red, find a gas station, and omit the petcock step. Simple. As for using your trip odometer, I do that too, but I also know that when I'm by myself, driving 70-75mph in rush hour traffic, I get 49mpg. When riding 2 up, at a steady 70mph across west Texas, it drops to 42-43mpg. Going across west Texas just using your trip odometer *only* can lead to unpleasant surprises...LOL. Jeff (K5ING) -- '94 Honda PC800 (The Batcycle) '78 Suzuki GS400 (Buzzy) *** Sold 10/19/98 *** '61 Olds Super 88 (Moby Dick) ==================================================================== Jeffrey W. King (K5ING) Krum, TX. USA 940.482.3446 (home) 972.597.1021 (pager) ==================================================================== http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/1919 ==================================================================== -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 22:11:06 -0600 From: Steve Wilson To: Daniel MacKay CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Gas tank capacity On a 2000+ mile ride in July, I ran 174 miles on 3.84 gallons and also ran 120 miles on 4.06 gallons. Speed and a head wind made the difference. On one stop I also pumped in 4.23 gallons into my 4.2 gal. tank after 143.4 miles. I turned the motor off at the pump and didn't coast in. The gauge is a better gauge than the odometer. At least it was for me. It just isn't linear. My mileage ranged from 45.2 MPG to 29.6 MPG. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Alexander D. Gray" To: "Steve Wilson" , "Daniel MacKay" Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: Gas tank capacity Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 21:28:52 -0700 I've reached 192 miles on my PC. And I don't think I could have gone 1 more mile. Alexander in Denver, Colorado -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Steve Wilson To: Daniel MacKay Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Monday, November 02, 1998 9:12 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Gas tank capacity >On a 2000+ mile ride in July, I ran 174 miles on 3.84 gallons and also >ran 120 miles on 4.06 gallons. Speed and a head wind made the >difference. On one stop I also pumped in 4.23 gallons into my 4.2 gal. >tank after 143.4 miles. I turned the motor off at the pump and didn't >coast in. The gauge is a better gauge than the odometer. At least it >was for me. It just isn't linear. My mileage ranged from 45.2 MPG to >29.6 MPG. > >-- >Steve Wilson Ruston LA. > >Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care > >Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer > 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck > >Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 > 7/98 SS1000 > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 20:33:23 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 21:23:16 -0700 From: Neillnsteph To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Gas tank capacity I've run it dry on a few occasions. Don't ask. I carry a spare liter of fuel in the trunk so I've never had to walk. :-) If you check one of my trip reports on the web page there is a discourse there on how to read the fuel gauge. Joyce D Calvert wrote: > > On the Death Valley ride here Ca last month, I stretched my gas tank as > far as I'd ever like to. I put 4.071 gallons in it when we finally > stopped and filled up. The gas gauge was WAY past the red line and up > around the hose part of the pump icon. It was almost to the pump handle > on that icon. > > Joyce > Sonoma County, Ca > > On Mon, 2 Nov 1998 07:49:54 EST RVPC800@aol.com writes: > > My question is: Have > >any you > >coasters out there ever completely run out of gas and if so how many > >gallons > >did it take to fill it back up all the way? I know that the bike has a > >fuel > >pump so I am wondering if all of the gas is picked up by it. Total cap > >is > >supposed tobe 4.4 gal, but have never got close to that in a fill up. > > > >Thanx in advance. > > > >Russ Vernon > >'95PC > >56Kmi > >-- > >Visit the PC800 web page at > >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > >a > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jpatton@neptune.ConnectI.com Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 23:22:01 -0600 (CST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Aahh, I am spooked by my PC. How about Pacific Ghost? >Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 15:15:59 -0500 >Subject: Re: PC800: Aahh, I am spooked by my PC. >To: KLW@centuryinter.net >Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) > >My first thought is that if the motorcycle had so little damage in that >accident, then it must be one lucky Pacific Coast so you'd better stay >close to it. On the bright side, this new information opens up a whole new >area for the naming of your Pacific Coast. > > >Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 >Seneca Falls, New York 13148 > >AMA #688662 >HSTA #8387 > >"The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" > >KLW@centuryinter.net writes: >>List members: >> >>I need input again. >> >>In my enthusiasm to learn about my new PC, I tracked down the previous >>owner of my wrecked PC. I bought it from a Motorcyle wholseller. After >>several dead-end phone calls, I was able to contact the insurer of the >>motorcycle. She informed me that the previous owner had died in the >>accident. It is hard to believe, given the limited damage showing on >>the bike. >> >>I just fill funny about the whole situation. Now what do I do???? >> >> >>Kenneth Winter >>East TN > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) Mon, 2 Nov 1998 21:29:04 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Donna Estill" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: radio and battery Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 20:54:09 -0800 The positive side to this being you can access the trunk without having to turn off the motorcycle. A definite advantage when the bike is warming up in the morning! Donna N7JSJ 1990 PC Code Red Near Seattle, WA - > >BTW when my key is in run position en my enigine is running i >can remove my key without turning the key and the enigine >running. In this situation i can by accident also let my lights >on and thus also my radio is this normal? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 01:11:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 01:11:55 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: RE: Gas Milage I hope you guys using the trip meter to determine fuel consumption are not riding into a head wind. A couple of months ago I rode across Kansas into a brisk 30 mile per hour head wind. If I would of used my mile age indicator to gage my fuel use, I sitting on Interstate 70 talking to jack rabbits. Bernie 94 PC 48K Overland Park, KS -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 01:00:52 -0500 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: RVPC800@aol.com, Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Gas tank capacity Hi Russ, RVPC800@aol.com wrote: > Yesterday I was riding with a couple of friends having a really good time when > I realized that my gas gauge was in the red zone and I began to panic a bit > mainly because I did not notice how long that it had been low. Long story > short, made it to a gas station OK and filled it up- 3.4gals. I guess that > this must have been the umpteenth time that I thought that I was running out > of gas because of the under optimistic gas guage. My question is: Have any you > coasters out there ever completely run out of gas and if so how many gallons > did it take to fill it back up all the way? I know that the bike has a fuel > pump so I am wondering if all of the gas is picked up by it. Total cap is > supposed tobe 4.4 gal, but have never got close to that in a fill up. Oh, have I run out. I've pushed the PC into a station, coasted into a station, pushed it uphill into a station, etc., etc. Actually, out of 548 tanks, I've run out about 6 times. I have this system, you see, and it doesn't always work. I make a game out of seeing how close to empty I can come without running out. Sometimes I miss (grin). The official Honda-stated size of the tank is 16 liters or 4.2 gallons. When out of gas, I have put in 4.291 gallons or almost a tenth more than the stated capacity but that has varied because the pumps will vary to some degree from one station to the next. It appears that the PC's pickup will get just about the whole tank. I fill the tank, each time, to within about an inch from the top of the filler; that is quite a bit beyond where Honda recommends. Because of the number of miles I put on each day, the level always drops quickly; it never sits when it is that full. Honda says that when you reach the red portion on the gauge that there will be .8 gallons left. However, on my PC that figure is too conservative. On my bike, it works out to be between 1.4 and 1.5 gallons left when the gauge reaches the bottom of the white line. That is just before it touches the red so I figure maybe 1.1 or 1.2 gallons by the time it hits the red. In any case, on my PC, the gauge will go through the red, up past the E before it actually runs out. I knew I would push it to the limit because of the small tank so when I first got the PC, I put a gallon can with gas in the trunk and just kept going until it quit. I then put the contents of the can (containing a known amount of gas) into the tank, drove to the nearest station (noting the miles driven from where I ran out to the station), filled up and calculated the results. To show you how far I push it, I just looked at the spreadsheet where I keep my PC records. I have filled 548 times for a total of 2187.019 gallons; that's an average of just over 3.99 gallons per tank. The only time I play this little game is when I am commuting. I know where every gas station is between home and work and how much distance each one is from the next. Makes it easy (most of the time) to win my little game (big grin). When I'm going into the boonies, I always make sure I've got enough gas to get to my destination or that I know where I can easily get gas enroute. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 118,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 01:06:57 -0500 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Daniel MacKay , Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Gas tank capacity Hi Daniel, Daniel MacKay wrote: > PRG writes: > nozzle on the gas pump icon. Check it out for yourself with an extra liter > of fuel in a Sigg fuel bottle in the trunk some time. That's about where my PC runs out too. What is a Sigg fuel bottle? I've been looking for something in about a quart size that I could occasionally carry gas in when on a trip. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 118,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 01:17:54 -0500 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: "Alexander D. Gray" , Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Gas tank capacity Hi Alexander, Alexander D. Gray wrote: > I've reached 192 miles on my PC. And I don't think I could have gone 1 more > mile. Actually it depends on a lot of things but mostly, I think, on how fast (or slow) and how steady you drive. I drive a steady 60mph with mine. I'm averaging 215.7 miles per tank and 54.05 mpg for 118220.5 miles as of the last fillup. Once, as a test, on July 4th before they screwed up the gas with the reformulated stuff, I filled up near home, drove just over 263 miles down I5 through California's Central Valley before filling up. I got 62.8 miles per gallon on that tank. I just wanted to see, under ideal conditions (flat road, hot day, little wind) what the PC could do for mileage. I had come close to 60 before but never exceeded it. The wind came up a little on the way back so I "only" got 59.8mpg on the return trip. After they changed the gas, the best I can do is about 59.5mpg. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 118,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 01:42:11 -0500 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Chuck Chiodini , Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Electric gloves/vest Hi Chuck, Chuck Chiodini wrote: > Fellow listers: > Need some sound advice on choosing some electrical heated gloves and > riding vest for some long distance winter riding. My choices: > > 1) Widder, good reputation, sponsor of Iron Butt events (a big factor > for me), slightly cheaper prices, lowest current draw. On the negative > side, their gloves aren't all leather and don't have elements in the > palm. Vest looks thin and non-bulky. I've got the Widder gear (gloves, vest and chaps). I like it a lot. My problem with the Widder gloves isn't that the palms aren't heated; since my palms are on the bars they aren't exposed to the wind anyway and the wire would feel like a "lump" over the bar surface. My problem with the Widder gloves, and I have mentioned it to them, is that the gloves aren't water resistant, much less waterproof. They suggested Scotchgard but I sprayed about 3 cans full on them and it didn't seem to help. My hands stay nice and warm in the Widder gloves. In fact, they are the warmest gloves I have found, even without the electrics connected. The vest is thin but since it is lined with Thinsulate, it is effective. The thermostat (at least the bimetal one) needs to be inside in order not to roast you out. They (Widder) say you can wear it on the outside but my experience is that if you do, you will roast - the unit will run all the time. So I just keep mine in my shirt pocket or, at least, inside my insulated suit. The only other problem I have had is with the cables from Widder. I have had to redo the ends of the wires a couple of times because they've broken loose from the connectors. Bear in mind that I wear mine every day in the winter so they get some extreme use from me. If you aren't going to commute daily with them, you won't even see the few things I've noticed. All in all, the Widder products are very well made, work well and, as far as I am concerned, are worth the money. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 118,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DS5JK4GB; Tue, 03 Nov 1998 06:22:44 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: RVPC800@aol.com Cc: lcshepp@directcon.net, BobDuWah@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 06:17:59 -0500 Subject: Re: PC800: Gas tank capacity From: miketwh@juno.com (Mike T Whited) Yes, I ran out about two blocks from a station. It took 4.2 gal to fill it to the rim. Like my manual states. I have a ' 94 Mike Whited On Mon, 2 Nov 1998 07:49:54 EST RVPC800@aol.com writes: >Yesterday I was riding with a couple of friends having a really good >time when >I realized that my gas gauge was in the red zone and I began to panic >a bit >mainly because I did not notice how long that it had been low. Long >story >short, made it to a gas station OK and filled it up- 3.4gals. I guess >that >this must have been the umpteenth time that I thought that I was >running out >of gas because of the under optimistic gas guage. My question is: Have >any you >coasters out there ever completely run out of gas and if so how many >gallons >did it take to fill it back up all the way? I know that the bike has a >fuel >pump so I am wondering if all of the gas is picked up by it. Total cap >is >supposed tobe 4.4 gal, but have never got close to that in a fill up. > >Thanx in advance. > >Russ Vernon >'95PC >56Kmi >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Chuck Chiodini" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Fwd: Sound advice Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 03:52:40 PST >From: MGVLAHOS@aol.com >Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 20:44:20 EST >To: chiodinc@HOTMAIL.COM >Subject: Sound advice > >My name is Mike Vlahos, I'm one of the reps. for Gerbing's on the east coast. >Widder does have a good reputation, but we are just a little better. We offer >a lifetime on all electrics, 3 years on thermostats and 30 days on material. >Also you have to be happy with the fit. We are twice the wiring then anybody >in this market.Total output is 14.2 amps wired direct or with on/off switch, >the thermostat does cost more but you control the heat. Before you buy >anything, fax me your address and I will send you a price sheet and brochure >A.S.A.P. > > Remember always, " FEEL the WARMTH" > > Mike ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Chuck Chiodini" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Fwd: Heat Control Update Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 03:54:42 PST >Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 20:49:03 -0500 >Subject: Heat Control Update >To: chiodinc@hotmail.com >Cc: mgvlahos@aol.com >From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) > >Chuck, >I just got a phone call from Mike Vlahos (Gerbing's rep I mentioned). He >read my email reply to you (below) about having separate controls for the >gloves and the vest. He asked me to pass along some information about the >Widder gloves that could cause a problem with this set up. Widder gloves >are not 12 volt gloves. They are only 6 volts and need to be connected in >series so they can be plugged into the 12 volts of your motorcycle. If you >plug them into the vest and use one control there is no problem (make sure >BOTH gloves are plugged in before turning on the switch). Gerbing's sells >an adapter for use with Widder gloves if you already have them, but want >to buy a Gerbing's vest or jacket. > >I think I relayed the message accurately, but you can email Mike >(mgvlahos@aol.com) if you have any other questions. I sent him a copy of >this message too just in case I really messed up the translation from >telephone to email, so he may be in touch with you. > > >Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 >Seneca Falls, New York 13148 > >AMA #688662 >HSTA #8387 > >"The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" > >Heat control... >From all the suggestions already on the pc800 list about heated clothing I >went for the thermostat control. There was unanimous agreement that the >on/off switch was a real pain. From looking at the wiring on the clothing >I bought I don't see why you can't put a control (mix and match if you >like) on each piece of clothing. It just means more wires running back to >the battery, or where ever you are connecting them. I'm installing an >accessory outlet on the left side of my fairing (John Deere "just like >BMW" plug) > >I hope this helps in some small way. > > >chiodinc@hotmail.com writes: >>>Fellow listers: >>> Need some sound advice on choosing some electrical heated gloves and >>>riding vest for some long distance winter riding. My choices: >>> >>>1) Widder, good reputation, sponsor of Iron Butt events (a big factor >>>for me), slightly cheaper prices, lowest current draw. On the negative >>>side, their gloves aren't all leather and don't have elements in the >>>palm. Vest looks thin and non-bulky. >>> >>>2) Gerbing, all leather gloves with heated palm. I've tried on a pair at >>>the last Honda Hoot and found them "toasty warm" while still being thin >>>and flexible. Haven't seen the vest (exact same price as Widder). >>> >>> I will order both the gloves and vest from the same company to avoid >>>compatibility problems. I also plan on going with the "bare bones" >>>"On/Off" switch rather than an automatic thermostat as I feel I can >>>handle the extra work of turning the juice on and off. Any comments on >>>your experiences with either company would be appreciated. Is there any >>>way that I can wire the gloves separately from the vest so I could >>>control each independently? >>> I'll forward this message to both companies and will post their >>>response to this list. >>> >>>Thanks for your time and input >>>Chuck Chiodini in Fayetteville, NC >>>89 PC800 "Scooter" > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Tue, 3 Nov 1998 08:54:00 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jim Alexander" To: "Pacific Coast Owners" Subject: Re: PC800: Electric gloves/vest Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 05:43:54 -0800 My experience with electric clothing is with Widder like Leland's and I have to agree with every comments he makes. I was frustrated more than once because while I could wear the vest under the rain gear I had, I had to make a choice for my hands ... they could either be dry or warm. I would hope that Gerber gloves are also water resistant. I can't believe that it would be cost prohibitive for the electric manufacturers to put a gortex lining just inside the outer skin of the glove fabric. This would protect the electrics from the elements (no pun intended) and would keep the hands warm and dry. -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Leland C. Sheppard To: Chuck Chiodini ; Pacific Coast Owners Date: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 1:56 AM Subject: Re: PC800: Electric gloves/vest >Hi Chuck, > >Chuck Chiodini wrote: > >> Fellow listers: >> Need some sound advice on choosing some electrical heated gloves and >> riding vest for some long distance winter riding. My choices: >> >> 1) Widder, good reputation, sponsor of Iron Butt events (a big factor >> for me), slightly cheaper prices, lowest current draw. On the negative >> side, their gloves aren't all leather and don't have elements in the >> palm. Vest looks thin and non-bulky. > >I've got the Widder gear (gloves, vest and chaps). I like it a lot. > >My problem with the Widder gloves isn't that the palms aren't heated; since my >palms are on the bars they aren't exposed to the wind anyway and the wire would >feel like a "lump" over the bar surface. My problem with the Widder gloves, and >I have mentioned it to them, is that the gloves aren't water resistant, much >less waterproof. They suggested Scotchgard but I sprayed about 3 cans full on >them and it didn't seem to help. > >My hands stay nice and warm in the Widder gloves. In fact, they are the warmest >gloves I have found, even without the electrics connected. > >The vest is thin but since it is lined with Thinsulate, it is effective. > >The thermostat (at least the bimetal one) needs to be inside in order not to >roast you out. They (Widder) say you can wear it on the outside but my >experience is that if you do, you will roast - the unit will run all the time. >So I just keep mine in my shirt pocket or, at least, inside my insulated suit. > >The only other problem I have had is with the cables from Widder. I have had to >redo the ends of the wires a couple of times because they've broken loose from >the connectors. Bear in mind that I wear mine every day in the winter so they >get some extreme use from me. If you aren't going to commute daily with them, >you won't even see the few things I've noticed. > >All in all, the Widder products are very well made, work well and, as far as I >am concerned, are worth the money. > >-- >Leland >'94 Pacific Coast >"Black Beauty" >118,000 miles > > > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 09:01:54 -0400 To: Steve Wilson From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Gas tank capacity Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 10:11 PM -0600 11/2/98, Steve Wilson wrote: > The gauge is a better gauge than the odometer. At least it >was for me. It just isn't linear. My mileage ranged from 45.2 MPG to >29.6 MPG. > >-- >Steve Wilson Ruston LA. > This might be an issue of semantics, but I find that the gauge is linear, but that it just isn't 'lined up' properly with the graphics on the instrument. It's as if the needle needs to be turned a bit so that it points to empty when it is empty. I had a car with this same problem a few years back (87 GTI). The dealership checked the gauge and sender unit with an ohm-meter and discovered that it was bad, and then replaced it. The gauge worked fine after that. Now...I realize that this isn't a case of a faulty gauge, since we all have the same issue, but I wonder if there isn't some value of resistor that we could put in-line between the sender unit and the gauge, that would help 'alter' its settings.... So...any of you electronic wizards out there have an idea if this is possible on the PC, or am I grasping at straws here? fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. id IAA39856 (8.8.6/50); Tue, 3 Nov 1998 08:17:02 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 08:15:17 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Rich Gross Subject: Fwd: Re: PC800: Gas tank capacity >Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 08:14:55 -0600 >To: "Leland C. Sheppard" >From: Rich Gross >Subject: Re: PC800: Gas tank capacity >Cc: >Bcc: >X-Attachments: > >>Actually, out of 548 tanks, I've run out about 6 times. > >Hey, Leland. Do you _really_ count the number of times you have filled >your PC? > >;) > >Rich >Madison, WI >1994 PC800: "Jetson" > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 11:08:39 -0400 To: "Leland C. Sheppard" , Pacific Coast Owners From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: Gas tank capacity Leland: >What is a Sigg fuel bottle? I've been looking for something in about a quart >size that I could occasionally carry gas in when on a trip. They are the bottles in which campers carry their cook stove white gas. They're rugged, made of aluminum, can take a beating and don't leak. Check out a camping store or mail order catalog for them. I have a 1 liter and 1.5 liter one. "Sigg" is just a brand but that's what people call them, like "Kleenex." -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 10:14:30 -0500 Subject: Re(2): PC800: Electric gloves/vest To: JamesAlexander@csi.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) JamesAlexander@csi.com writes: >My experience with electric clothing is with Widder like Leland's and I >have >to agree with every comments he makes. I was frustrated more than once >because while I could wear the vest under the rain gear I had, I had to >make >a choice for my hands ... they could either be dry or warm. I would hope >that Gerber gloves are also water resistant. I can't believe that it >would >be cost prohibitive for the electric manufacturers to put a gortex lining >just inside the outer skin of the glove fabric. This would protect the >electrics from the elements (no pun intended) and would keep the hands >warm >and dry. Gerbing's $139 gloves are water resistant. I bought them, but they have not arrived yet. I'm never really sure what "water resistant" means when it applies to clothing from any manufacturer. It's kind of like "New and Improved" on laundry soap and cereal. Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tim J. Clevenger" To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: PC800: Gas tank capacity Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 08:16:57 -0800 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I'm pretty happy where I am, I think. It's more like all the cars I = owned--once it drops below "E", start hunting for a gas station. On my = 98, a full tank (up into the filler) pegs the thing all the way to the = right (the needle almost disappears.) I don't know where the low point = is, but I'm going to buy one of those metal fuel containers at the local = Big '5' and give it a whirl. Regards, Tim Clevenger '98 PC800 ("Sweet 16") ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Francois Saint Laurent[SMTP:fsl@borgconsulting.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 5:01 AM To: Steve Wilson Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Gas tank capacity At 10:11 PM -0600 11/2/98, Steve Wilson wrote: > The gauge is a better gauge than the odometer. At least it >was for me. It just isn't linear. My mileage ranged from 45.2 MPG to >29.6 MPG. > >-- >Steve Wilson Ruston LA. > This might be an issue of semantics, but I find that the gauge is = linear, but that it just isn't 'lined up' properly with the graphics on the instrument. It's as if the needle needs to be turned a bit so that it points to empty when it is empty. I had a car with this same problem a few years back (87 GTI). The dealership checked the gauge and sender unit with an ohm-meter and discovered that it was bad, and then replaced it. The gauge worked fine after that. Now...I realize that this isn't a case of a faulty gauge, since we all have the same issue, but I wonder if there isn't some value = of resistor that we could put in-line between the sender unit and the = gauge, that would help 'alter' its settings.... So...any of you electronic wizards out there have an idea if this is possible on the PC, or am I grasping at straws here? fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Subject: PC800: Gas Tank capacity PUZZLE :-)) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:46:26 -0000 Hi all, PC800 has a fuel tank capacity of 4.2 gallons as you all claim the US. But when the bike is shipped over to England the fuel tank capacity becomes 3.5 gallons! What is going on?! What happened to the 0.7 gallons? Got lost in the Bermuda Triangle!! We don't put GAS in the tank. Only a liquid called PETROL. But still.... The good news is that we get 25% more mpg than you lot! :-) Job Sussex England -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Delivered-To: fixup-pc800@hpc.uh.edu@fixme by phnxpop2.phnx.uswest.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 1998 17:19:58 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 10:19:58 -0700 From: Bob Coffman To: pcsg@mistral.co.uk CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Gas Tank capacity PUZZLE :-)) Job, I believe you use Imperial Gallons, eh? Bob PCSG Ltd. wrote: > Hi all, > > PC800 has a fuel tank capacity of 4.2 gallons as you all claim the US. > But when the bike is shipped over to England the fuel tank capacity becomes > 3.5 gallons! > > What is going on?! What happened to the 0.7 gallons? Got lost in the > Bermuda Triangle!! > We don't put GAS in the tank. Only a liquid called PETROL. But still.... > > The good news is that we get 25% more mpg than you lot! :-) > > Job > Sussex > England > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tim J. Clevenger" To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: PC800: Gas Tank capacity PUZZLE :-)) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 09:24:12 -0800 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu The bad news is that we're only paying US$0.97 per gallon! :-P Regards, Tim Clevenger '98 PC800 ("Sweet 16") ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PCSG Ltd.[SMTP:pcsg@mistral.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 8:46 AM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Gas Tank capacity PUZZLE :-)) Hi all, PC800 has a fuel tank capacity of 4.2 gallons as you all claim the US. But when the bike is shipped over to England the fuel tank capacity becomes 3.5 gallons! What is going on?! What happened to the 0.7 gallons? Got lost in the Bermuda Triangle!! We don't put GAS in the tank. Only a liquid called PETROL. But still.... The good news is that we get 25% more mpg than you lot! :-) Job Sussex England -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:44:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:44:34 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Gas Tank capacity PUZZLE :-)) Hi, Job: Too bad that gallons aren't gallons aren't gallons. That's one of the big problems with empires. When they disintegrate, things get crazy. At least you blokes only have one sort of gallon to deal with: the imperiial gallon of which the PC holds 3.5 of petrol; we have two: a liquid gallon of which the PC holds 4.2 of gasoline and a dry gallon of which the PC's trunk will no doubt hold several. It's all too complex. It's a shame that we're both too stubborn to go with metric measures. Of course, even if we did, we wouldn't agree on the spelling. :) J. T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@kpt1.tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 13:11:52 -0500 (EST) From: James R Randall To: Francois Saint Laurent cc: Steve Wilson , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Gas tank capacity Why does it matter? All that's important is knowing when you need gas. As someone else stated, when the needle is over the red square, consider it the same as going to reserve on a conventional bike without a guage. The fuel guage on every vehicle I've ever owned behaved a little differently but after 1 or 2 fillups, one learns how the guage is calibrated and uses that information for future stops. The PC is no different and, in fact, has a more consistent guage than most I've seen. On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Francois Saint Laurent wrote: > At 10:11 PM -0600 11/2/98, Steve Wilson wrote: > > > The gauge is a better gauge than the odometer. At least it > >was for me. It just isn't linear. My mileage ranged from 45.2 MPG to > >29.6 MPG. > > > >-- > >Steve Wilson Ruston LA. > > > > > This might be an issue of semantics, but I find that the gauge is linear, > but that it just isn't 'lined up' properly with the graphics on the > instrument. It's as if the needle needs to be turned a bit so that it > points to empty when it is empty. > I had a car with this same problem a few years back (87 GTI). The > dealership checked the gauge and sender unit with an ohm-meter and > discovered that it was bad, and then replaced it. The gauge worked fine > after that. Now...I realize that this isn't a case of a faulty gauge, > since we all have the same issue, but I wonder if there isn't some value of > resistor that we could put in-line between the sender unit and the gauge, > that would help 'alter' its settings.... > > So...any of you electronic wizards out there have an idea if this is > possible on the PC, or am I grasping at straws here? > > > fsl > > (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) > > Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 > Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda > > HSTA Member Number 7470 > > (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 13:12:39 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Gas Tank capacity PUZZLE :-)) At 12:44 PM -0500 11/3/98, JTSMCRIDER@aol.com wrote: > It's a shame that we're both too >stubborn to go with metric measures. Of course, even if we did, we wouldn't >agree on the spelling. :) > >J. T. > Hmmm.. Hey Job...correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't the UK switched completely to Metric? I thought you purchased petrol in litres, drove in Km/H, weighed in kilos, etc. It is the same with us here in Canada. I only speak in Gallons as a courtesy to the US flavor of the PC800 list. My PC hold 16 litres. It seems to me that the US was the only country in the world that hadn't converted to the metric system, and probably won't either. I don't think the US members of this list can fully appreciate the best thing about converting to Metric. I used to cruise the highways at 75, but now I consistently drive at about 120 !!! Switch to metric...you can drive faster!!!! fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 10:58:53 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Wesley To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: PC800: Gas Tank capacity PUZZLE :-)) > The bad news is that we're only paying US$0.97 per gallon! :-P Here in the Silicon Valley, I just filled up at $1.49 per gallon! They're pumping the gas from under our feet - a fueling station is blocks away from me - and we have the highest prices in the US!1 MikeW Cogito Ergo Zoom -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 14:09:48 -0400 To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: RE: PC800: Gas Tank capacity PUZZLE :-)) At 10:58 AM -0800 11/3/98, Michael Wesley wrote: > >Here in the Silicon Valley, I just filled up at $1.49 per gallon! They're >pumping the gas from under our feet - a fueling station is blocks away >from me - and we have the highest prices in the US!1 > >MikeW >Cogito Ergo Zoom > > Wow! Has it gone up that high? I was paying about $1.20 back in July when I was in the NorCal area. At $1.49 US, your paying more than I am in Canada! A full tank (4.2 Gallons) would cost you $ 6.25 US. That same tank would cost me $5.50US, even at the really poor exchange rate we have these days. So tell me.....if gas is so much, why was every other car on the I-80 an Explorer, Cherokee, Navigator, etc.? ride safe fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 11:36:07 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Wesley To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: PC800: Gas Tank capacity PUZZLE :-)) > Wow! Has it gone up that high? I was paying about $1.20 back in July > when I was in the NorCal area. At $1.49 US, your paying more than I am in > Canada! A full tank (4.2 Gallons) would cost you $ 6.25 US. That same > tank would cost me $5.50US, even at the really poor exchange rate we have > these days. OK, so I did buy premium from the Chevron station in Newark. The cheap stuff is probably $.20 less - only the best for my toys. > So tell me.....if gas is so much, why was every other car on the I-80 an > Explorer, Cherokee, Navigator, etc.? FYI, I just heard a Cadillac commercial this morning for their new SSUV - no kidding. I wonder how many gallons to the mile it gets ... ;-) MikeW -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 10:59:53 -0900 From: jgoula To: Michael Wesley , PC800 Subject: PC800: Fuel prices Ha. Alaska produces 25% of all domestic oil, the Alaska Pipeline snakes through 15 miles from my place (flowing more than 1.5 million barrels /day), we have a refinery 17 miles from here, and we are still paying 1.23 for _regular_. Still, very cheap by european standards (right Job? snicker snicker) Michael Wesley wrote: > OK, so I did buy premium from the Chevron station in Newark. The cheap > stuff is probably $.20 less - only the best for my toys. About that... it has been documented in this list that the use of premium has no advantage over regular. In fact, you get worse fuel mileage. Check the archives. > > So tell me.....if gas is so much, why was every other car on the I-80 an > > Explorer, Cherokee, Navigator, etc.? Ummm.... because we can afford it? :-P > FYI, I just heard a Cadillac commercial this morning for their new SSUV - > no kidding. I wonder how many gallons to the mile it gets ... ;-) Yep, and Ford is developing a new maxi-SUV based on the F250/350. Reportedly, it will be bigger than the Suburban. Go figure... -- Juan Fairbanks, Alaska Lat.: 64.847°N, Long.: 147.717°W Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure. Aldous Huxley --------------------------------------------------------- School of Fisheries and Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks (907)474-5520 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. id OAA26930 (8.8.6/50); Tue, 3 Nov 1998 14:16:00 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 14:14:59 -0600 To: Michael Wesley , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Rich Gross Subject: RE: PC800: Gas Tank capacity PUZZLE :-)) >OK, so I did buy premium from the Chevron station in Newark. The cheap >stuff is probably $.20 less - only the best for my toys. Makes me kind of wonder, actually, is there ANY advantage to using higher than 87 octane in the PC800 assuming no additives and high quality gasoline? Rich Madison, WI 1994 PC800: "Jetson" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: PC800: Big Butt ST vs. PC From: Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org (Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 13:19:43 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) I'm not sure if this ever got settled, but I was at my Mechanic's place yesterday and lo and behold there was an ST1100 in for service. I asked if I could borrow a tape measure and settle the big-butt debate once and for all. What I found: How you measure makes a big difference. Since the widest part of the rear-half of the PC is the rear scuff-rails which are quite a bit forward of the rear end of the bike, you have to decide what constitutes the rear of the bike. On the ST the rear reflectors are the widest part of the rear and are on the very corners of the bike so that is pretty simple to measure. If you measure from the widest part of the PC (the scuff guards), the ST1100 is nearly TWO-INCHES WIDER in the rear-end. If you measure the actual rear-end of the PC (side reflector to side reflector) the ST is more than FIVE INCHES WIDER in the rear!!! So the next time an ST-rider tells you to put your PC on a diet, whip out your tape measure and have a can of Slim-Fast ready for their ST. Greg Torok 97 PC800 Bellingham, WA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:45:13 -0800 (PST) From: John Scalisi Subject: Re: PC800: Fuel Gauge answer To: PC800 List Exactly how I treat it. This is the most sensible comment I've seen on this subject. ---Jeffrey King wrote: > > Ok Fellow Coasters and Coasterettes, > > Don't go bending any fuel gauge sensors or anything like that. > The gauge is made that way on purpose! Since the PC doesn't have > a reserve, the fuel gauge IS your reserve. When it gets down > into the read zone, it's time to fill up. What there is beyond > the red is reserve. Treat it just like the reserve petcock on > your other bikes. When you run out, you put it on reserve and find > a gas station, right? On the PC, when it goes into the red, find a > gas station, and omit the petcock step. Simple. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: LRaeMiller@aol.com for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:00:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:00:09 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Gas Tank capacity PUZZLE :-)) In a message dated 11/3/1998 2:16:41 PM Central Standard Time, rgross@facstaff.wisc.edu writes: > > Makes me kind of wonder, actually, is there ANY advantage to using higher > than 87 octane in the PC800 assuming no additives and high quality gasoline? > > There doesn't seem to be any advantage - and when you go into higher altitudes you should use the lowest available octane. I think when we rode in the Rockies I was using 85, because the 87 I usually use started knocking. BTW my last fill up in Kansas was $.86 a gallon! Lynda Wichita, KS 1990 PC800 "Val" 16,700 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Peter_N1@verifone.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, bizsoft@bizsoft.com Subject: RE: PC800: Gas Tank capacity PUZZLE :-)) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 13:05:02 -0800 Here in the Sacramento area it is about 10 cents a gallon less than in the SF Bay Area. I guess the gas is priced based on average income and not on cost to make it. Peter Noeth || KE6ZJA || SF Bay Area, CA || '96 w/ 9k and loving every minuite! > ---------- > From: Michael Wesley[SMTP:bizsoft@bizsoft.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 10:58 AM > To: 'pc800@hpc.uh.edu' > Subject: RE: PC800: Gas Tank capacity PUZZLE :-)) > > > > The bad news is that we're only paying US$0.97 per gallon! :-P > > Here in the Silicon Valley, I just filled up at $1.49 per gallon! They're > pumping the gas from under our feet - a fueling station is blocks away > from me - and we have the highest prices in the US!1 > > MikeW > Cogito Ergo Zoom > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 13:03:59 -0800 (PST) From: John Scalisi Subject: Re: PC800: Gas tank capacity To: Pacific Coast Owners Going up to Americade this past June, my in laws were following me on their Goldwing. They did not want to exceed 65 mph and we were on the interstates most of the way. It was a cold and windy day and I'd say most of the time we were in the 60 mph range. Upon arriving in the Lake George region I filled up and had averaged 55 mpg. Based on the 4.2 gallon tank that would be a range of 231 miles. Moral of the story is, if you need to travel a long distance and want to minimize fill ups, take the interstates and keep it under 65. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Fuel prices From: Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org (Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 14:09:26 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) On Tue, Nov 3, 1998, 7:59:53 PM GMT jgoula wrote: >Ummm.... because we can afford it? :-P > >> FYI, I just heard a Cadillac commercial this morning for their new SSUV = - >> no kidding. I wonder how many gallons to the mile it gets ... ;-) > >Yep, and Ford is developing a new maxi-SUV based on the F250/350. >Reportedly, it will be bigger than the Suburban. Go figure... ...stepping up to the soap-box... Ok, here's my conspiracy theory of the day: Up until the 1970's the domestic car market had it pretty easy. Cars were = very much a consumer commodity which people tended to replace every few = years to keep up with the latest styles/trends (noting things like the = tail-fin phenomena, etc.). Add that to the fact that the underlying = technology was dated, innefficient and unreliable and consumers took for = granted the fact that they had to replace the family car every few years. Then the "gas crisis" happened and people for the first time experienced = the real cost of fuel. At the same time wages were stagnant or falling and = more and more families were compensating by becoming two-wage-earner = households, thereby doubling the need for transportation. Consumers = suddenly became very cost-conscious and the Japanese manufacturers were at = the right place at the right time to capitalize on that demand. Once = consumers took that leap of faith and tried something different, they = found that the Japanese cars were wonderfully efficient, rediculously = reliable and in therefore in the long-term much more cost-effective. = Overnight the definition of quality was changed. At the same time Detroit = was caught unprepared with 1950's technology and it nearly finished the US = market and the US automakers have envied the success of the Japanese = during the "crisis" ever since. Once the "crisis" was over, the lessons of the Japanese cars stuck with = us. People want reliable cars which can go well over 100,000 miles without = any major service and don't want to replace them very often. The US = manufacturers can do the reliability thing, but the thought of people = holding onto the same car for 10 years scares them to death. They want to = sell you a new car every few years, especially if they aren't going to be = selling you very many parts during that time. But if the one you have will = go for several hundred-thousand miles without any major problems, why = should you buy a new one? So Detroit gets the US oil industry (along with help from the feds and = international affairs) to artificially keep the price of US fuel low, = really low. In fact when adjusted for inflation the price of gas (even in = Alaska) is lower than it was in the 50's. This suckers us into forgetting = about the whole fuel-efficiency thing while the US auto makers cram = "bigger is safer" down our throats to the tune of 13 miles to the gallon. = We swallow this with the thought in the back of our minds that since these = new car/trucks are very comfortable, versatile, and will do 100,000 miles = without major service, we can live with this big safe car/truck for a long = time. But that's not what the industry wants us to do. Once everyone has bought = their SUV or SSUV and the US auto industry thinks it is time to shove = another car into our garage, watch and see, we'll have another "crisis" = (Y2K??) but this time, curiously enough, the US industry will just happen = to have production lines all ready to go to deliver your new = ultra-efficient econobox to replace that (2-year) old, ugly gas hog of a = SUV.=20 And then a few years later there will be some 20/20 report on how badly a = Geo Metro gets mangled by a head-on collision with a semi (well, duh!!), = fuel prices will just happen to be down and the whole thing starts all = over again. This whole safety thing is a load of B.S. Of course the biggest thing on = the road is going to be the safest, but do we all want to be driving = Kenworth's to work? Just imagine how safe the highways would be if the = trucks were restricted to seperate lanes and everyone else drove a 50 MPG = Geo Metro (or motorcycle). In fact, we could narrow the lanes for the = smaller cars and give the semi's their own lane, giving us more lanes on = the same roads without a bit of re-paving. But with Cadillac SSUV's and = Lincoln Navigators hogging up the highways to the tune of $40,000+ a pop, = what are the chances of that happening? Hell, it's even carrying over into = the motorcycle industry. What are the most popular bikes in the US? = Valkyries, Fat-Boys, GoldWings, Royal-Stars, all running at 35 MPG on a = good day. The sad thing is that the ultimate winners are the owners of these = multinational companies, the ultimate loser is the environment, and we are = mere pawns in this big greedy game. ..stepping down from soap-box.. Greg Torok 97 PC800 (my only vehicle, except for my Schwinn) Bellingham, WA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 13:25:33 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Wesley To: PC800 List Subject: Re: PC800: Fuel prices A few thoughts ... > Up until the 1970's the domestic car market had it pretty easy. Cars > were very much a consumer commodity which people tended to replace every > few years to keep up with the latest styles/trends (noting things like Can You say "Planned Obsoloscence"? This sounds pretty interesting ... It could never happen though, we're in america!!! ;-) Oh, the "SSUV" was a keyboard stutter on my part, but it could stand for "Super Sport Utility Vehicles". If it catches on, just remember you were there first ... :-) MikeW -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 13:27:32 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Wesley To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Philips Wong (Wong Wing) - Where are you? Hello, I have an associate who is possibly interested in purchasing a black Wong Wing. How/Who can he contact to get one for $115? Thanks, MikeW Cogito Ergo Zoom -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 13:45:48 -0800 (PST) From: John Scalisi Subject: PC800: BMW K1200LT To: PC800 List Has anyone seen the new Rider December 1998 issue yet? They cover the new for 1999 motorcycles. Go to page 42 where there's a picture of the rear of the new BMW K1200LT. The caption for the picture states "Integrated saddlebags, large tail light and detachable trunk form shapely rear end". All of a sudden, BMW produces a motorcycle with integrated saddlebags and a large tail light, the closest anyone has come to the PC800's integrated trunk, and all of a sudden the large rear end it creates is "shapely"! Whereas our beloved PC800 has been hammered by the press since it's inception for the appearance of the rear. Don't get me wrong, I think the new BMW is great looking but I think the PC800 has a much more streamlined rear. But we get referred to as "big butted" and the new Beamer is "shapely"! That ticks me off. We should all write to Rider and hammer them on this one. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "The Broeking's" To: Subject: PC800: Water resitant Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:38:27 -0500 I believe the definition is..... when it rains your hands will get wet. :-) Drawing upon my mountaineering experience plus the array of mountaineering clothing I own, Goretex is the only thing where you have a fighting chance to stay dry and even then, be prepared to get get damp. --------- >Gerbing's $139 gloves are water resistant. I bought them, but they have >not arrived yet. I'm never really sure what "water resistant" means when >it applies to clothing from any manufacturer. It's kind of like "New and >Improved" on laundry soap and cereal. > >Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 >Seneca Falls, New York 13148 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tim J. Clevenger" To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: PC800: Gas Tank capacity PUZZLE :-)) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 13:45:47 -0800 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Well, don't forget the cost of the real estate. I don't know how some = SF gas stations can afford to charge so little. Guess they already own = the land they're on. Regards, Tim Clevenger '98 PC800 ("Sweet 16") ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Peter_N1@verifone.com[SMTP:Peter_N1@verifone.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 1:05 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu; bizsoft@bizsoft.com Subject: RE: PC800: Gas Tank capacity PUZZLE :-)) Here in the Sacramento area it is about 10 cents a gallon less than in = the SF Bay Area. I guess the gas is priced based on average income and not on = cost to make it. Peter Noeth || KE6ZJA || SF Bay Area, CA || '96 w/ 9k and loving every = minuite! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Subject: PC800: PC800 Gas Tank capacity PUZZLE ;-)) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 21:58:48 -0000 PS. One of the possible reasons for the existence of the 'smaller' English Size Gas Tank is that Honda engineered it that way. Obviously because the country is so small, we only need a tiny gas tank. ;-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi all, PC800 has a fuel tank capacity of 4.2 gallons as you all claim the US. But when the bike is shipped over to England the fuel tank capacity becomes 3.5 gallons! What is going on?! What happened to the 0.7 gallons? Got lost in the Bermuda Triangle!! We don't put GAS in the tank. Only a liquid called PETROL. But still.... The good news is that we get 25% more mpg than you lot! :-) Job Sussex England -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Peter_N1@verifone.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, jscalisi@yahoo.com Subject: RE: PC800: BMW K1200LT Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 14:16:09 -0800 This is probably because the marketing people at BMW do a much better job at the hype. Honda is just for "plain folks" whereas BMW is for the "upwardly mobile" elite. Peter Noeth || KE6ZJA || SF Bay Area, CA || '96 w/ 9k and loving every minuite! > ---------- > From: John Scalisi[SMTP:jscalisi@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 1:45 PM > To: PC800 List > Subject: PC800: BMW K1200LT > > Has anyone seen the new Rider December 1998 issue yet? They cover the > new for 1999 motorcycles. Go to page 42 where there's a picture of > the rear of the new BMW K1200LT. The caption for the picture states > "Integrated saddlebags, large tail light and detachable trunk form > shapely rear end". All of a sudden, BMW produces a motorcycle with > integrated saddlebags and a large tail light, the closest anyone has > come to the PC800's integrated trunk, and all of a sudden the large > rear end it creates is "shapely"! Whereas our beloved PC800 has been > hammered by the press since it's inception for the appearance of the > rear. Don't get me wrong, I think the new BMW is great looking but I > think the PC800 has a much more streamlined rear. But we get referred > to as "big butted" and the new Beamer is "shapely"! That ticks me > off. We should all write to Rider and hammer them on this one. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Gas Tank capacity PUZZLE :-)) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 23:26:55 +0100 >There doesn't seem to be any advantage - and when you go into higher altitudes >you should use the lowest available octane. I think when we rode in the >Rockies I was using 85, because the 87 I usually use started knocking. BTW my >last fill up in Kansas was $.86 a gallon! >Lynda Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought a higher octane number was better against knocking. I don't have my recip.engines study book by hand, so I'm not sure. And everybody : please stop complaining about fuel prices !! Our 95 or 98 octane is about 4 times as expensive and people are still buying big BMW's. ___ [_ mile Nossin, '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Kingdom of the Netherlands, Santpoort "Parking tickets exist by the grace of windshield whipers." http://www.cybercomm.nl/~emile ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Fuel prices Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 23:39:44 +0100 >Ok, here's my conspiracy theory of the day: >[..] time to shove another car into our garage, watch and see, we'll have another "crisis" (Y2K??) but this time, curiously enough, the >US industry will just happen to have production lines all ready to go to deliver your new ultra-efficient econobox to replace that (2->year) old, ugly gas hog of a SUV. >Greg Torok That's indeed one big conspiracy Greg. Still big BMW's and Benzes are popular here despite high fuel prices. My theory: Status (read: male macho behaviour). >The sad thing [..] the ultimate loser is the environment, [..] I'm not hoping to start a big environment discussion here (please don't) but sadly enough motorcycles are one of the biggest polluters now because of their lack of catalysts (except Brian H.). I also ride a bike because I find it useless to buy a whole car just for myself, but sadly enough some modern cars use less fuel than my PC and all cars come with cat's. MC manufacturers have some catching up to do. ___ [_ mile Nossin, '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Kingdom of the Netherlands, Santpoort "Parking tickets exist by the grace of windshield whipers." http://www.cybercomm.nl/~emile ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: FW: PC800: Big Butt ST vs. PC Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:59:41 -0500 Is the VFR800 also "big-butted" when equipped for sport-touring? http://www.corbin.com/honda/vfr800bag.html Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council [SMTP:Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 3:20 PM To: PC800 List Subject: PC800: Big Butt ST vs. PC I'm not sure if this ever got settled, but I was at my Mechanic's place yesterday and lo and behold there was an ST1100 in for service. I asked if I could borrow a tape measure and settle the big-butt debate once and for all. What I found: How you measure makes a big difference. Since the widest part of the rear-half of the PC is the rear scuff-rails which are quite a bit forward of the rear end of the bike, you have to decide what constitutes the rear of the bike. On the ST the rear reflectors are the widest part of the rear and are on the very corners of the bike so that is pretty simple to measure. If you measure from the widest part of the PC (the scuff guards), the ST1100 is nearly TWO-INCHES WIDER in the rear-end. If you measure the actual rear-end of the PC (side reflector to side reflector) the ST is more than FIVE INCHES WIDER in the rear!!! So the next time an ST-rider tells you to put your PC on a diet, whip out your tape measure and have a can of Slim-Fast ready for their ST. Greg Torok 97 PC800 Bellingham, WA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: FW: PC800: Fuel prices Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 18:01:04 -0500 since we're passing around the soapbox... I think Greg is correct in most of what he says except this. The = ultimate "bad guy" isn't the auto and other multinational companies. = They only make what sells. Yes, they can shape that somewhat with = advertising and such but the real villain in all this is you and me, = "The Ugly American" to quote the 1960's book title. Face it, we (that's the editorial "we", don't take it personally) like = big, luxurious, conspicuous vehicles, homes, clothes, hotels, = motorcycles and other toys which make us feel (you pick the descriptor, = here), affluent, spoiled, catered to, "worth it" and generally better = than everyone else. The prevailing attitude is one of the environment, = the economy, the nation and the rest of the world be damned, I DESERVE = THIS! In my opinion, there's not been a time in recent history more = marked with unmitigated personal greed - unfortunately it's become the = American way. The expensive, wasteful and generally unnecessary vehicles = described in Greg's tome, are just a manifestation of this attitude. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council = [SMTP:Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 4:09 PM To: PC800 List Subject: Re: PC800: Fuel prices On Tue, Nov 3, 1998, 7:59:53 PM GMT jgoula wrote: >Ummm.... because we can afford it? :-P > >> FYI, I just heard a Cadillac commercial this morning for their new = SSUV - >> no kidding. I wonder how many gallons to the mile it gets ... ;-) > >Yep, and Ford is developing a new maxi-SUV based on the F250/350. >Reportedly, it will be bigger than the Suburban. Go figure... ..stepping up to the soap-box... Ok, here's my conspiracy theory of the day: Up until the 1970's the domestic car market had it pretty easy. Cars = were very much a consumer commodity which people tended to replace every = few years to keep up with the latest styles/trends (noting things like = the tail-fin phenomena, etc.). Add that to the fact that the underlying = technology was dated, innefficient and unreliable and consumers took for = granted the fact that they had to replace the family car every few = years. Then the "gas crisis" happened and people for the first time experienced = the real cost of fuel. At the same time wages were stagnant or falling = and more and more families were compensating by becoming two-wage-earner = households, thereby doubling the need for transportation. Consumers = suddenly became very cost-conscious and the Japanese manufacturers were = at the right place at the right time to capitalize on that demand. Once = consumers took that leap of faith and tried something different, they = found that the Japanese cars were wonderfully efficient, rediculously = reliable and in therefore in the long-term much more cost-effective. = Overnight the definition of quality was changed. At the same time = Detroit was caught unprepared with 1950's technology and it nearly = finished the US market and the US automakers have envied the success of = the Japanese during the "crisis" ever since. Once the "crisis" was over, the lessons of the Japanese cars stuck with = us. People want reliable cars which can go well over 100,000 miles = without any major service and don't want to replace them very often. The = US manufacturers can do the reliability thing, but the thought of people = holding onto the same car for 10 years scares them to death. They want = to sell you a new car every few years, especially if they aren't going = to be selling you very many parts during that time. But if the one you = have will go for several hundred-thousand miles without any major = problems, why should you buy a new one? So Detroit gets the US oil industry (along with help from the feds and = international affairs) to artificially keep the price of US fuel low, = really low. In fact when adjusted for inflation the price of gas (even = in Alaska) is lower than it was in the 50's. This suckers us into = forgetting about the whole fuel-efficiency thing while the US auto = makers cram "bigger is safer" down our throats to the tune of 13 miles = to the gallon. We swallow this with the thought in the back of our minds = that since these new car/trucks are very comfortable, versatile, and = will do 100,000 miles without major service, we can live with this big = safe car/truck for a long time. But that's not what the industry wants us to do. Once everyone has = bought their SUV or SSUV and the US auto industry thinks it is time to = shove another car into our garage, watch and see, we'll have another = "crisis" (Y2K??) but this time, curiously enough, the US industry will = just happen to have production lines all ready to go to deliver your new = ultra-efficient econobox to replace that (2-year) old, ugly gas hog of a = SUV.=20 And then a few years later there will be some 20/20 report on how badly = a Geo Metro gets mangled by a head-on collision with a semi (well, = duh!!), fuel prices will just happen to be down and the whole thing = starts all over again. This whole safety thing is a load of B.S. Of course the biggest thing on = the road is going to be the safest, but do we all want to be driving = Kenworth's to work? Just imagine how safe the highways would be if the = trucks were restricted to seperate lanes and everyone else drove a 50 = MPG Geo Metro (or motorcycle). In fact, we could narrow the lanes for = the smaller cars and give the semi's their own lane, giving us more = lanes on the same roads without a bit of re-paving. But with Cadillac = SSUV's and Lincoln Navigators hogging up the highways to the tune of = $40,000+ a pop, what are the chances of that happening? Hell, it's even = carrying over into the motorcycle industry. What are the most popular = bikes in the US? Valkyries, Fat-Boys, GoldWings, Royal-Stars, all = running at 35 MPG on a good day. The sad thing is that the ultimate winners are the owners of these = multinational companies, the ultimate loser is the environment, and we = are mere pawns in this big greedy game. .stepping down from soap-box.. Greg Torok 97 PC800 (my only vehicle, except for my Schwinn) Bellingham, WA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu.=00=00 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Subject: Re: PC800: Big Butt ST vs. PC Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 22:19:35 -0000 Greg, you are so right. Integrating the mudguards, panniers, etc has created a smaller package with the PC800. Also, you can't put full size helmets in ST1100 panniers. Harleys are even worse. So much wasted space! May be it is the rounded styling that makes the PC 'look' fat butted. Putting the number plate and the lamps higher and re-styling the rear with more angular shapes (rear air dam and such) should improve the looks. Well may be these changes will be incorporated into the NEW Y2K model... Visit http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/1919/newpc.htm and submit all your suggestions to Jeff King. :-) Job ---------- > From: Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council > To: PC800 List > Subject: PC800: Big Butt ST vs. PC > Date: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 8:19 PM > > > I'm not sure if this ever got settled, but I was at my Mechanic's place > yesterday and lo and behold there was an ST1100 in for service. I asked if I > could borrow a tape measure and settle the big-butt debate once and for all. > > What I found: > > How you measure makes a big difference. Since the widest part of the rear-half > of the PC is the rear scuff-rails which are quite a bit forward of the rear > end of the bike, you have to decide what constitutes the rear of the bike. On > the ST the rear reflectors are the widest part of the rear and are on the very > corners of the bike so that is pretty simple to measure. > > If you measure from the widest part of the PC (the scuff guards), the ST1100 > is nearly TWO-INCHES WIDER in the rear-end. > > If you measure the actual rear-end of the PC (side reflector to side > reflector) the ST is more than FIVE INCHES WIDER in the rear!!! > > So the next time an ST-rider tells you to put your PC on a diet, whip out your > tape measure and have a can of Slim-Fast ready for their ST. > > Greg Torok > 97 PC800 > Bellingham, WA > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Subject: Re: PC800: Fuel prices Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 22:37:02 -0000 Greg, It is all painfully true when you say, "The sad thing is that the ultimate winners are the owners of these multinational companies, the ultimate loser is the environment, and we are mere pawns in this big greedy game". Equivalent of US Gallon cost $4 her in England. And that is not because it cost too much to produce... Most of the price consists of taxes. In line with the Green Policies we have. I hear that taxing the GAS is 'taboo' in the US. Clinton became very unpopular when he taxed the GAS as the Governor of Arkansas. Introducing emmission controls at the rear end may not the correct solution; but as long as the 'Great American Love Affair' with the motorcar continue, what can anyone do? Job Sussex, England ...stepping up to the soap-box... Ok, here's my conspiracy theory of the day: Up until the 1970's the domestic car market had it pretty easy. Cars were very much a consumer commodity which people tended to replace every few years to keep up with the latest styles/trends (noting things like the tail-fin phenomena, etc.). Add that to the fact that the underlying technology was dated, innefficient and unreliable and consumers took for granted the fact that they had to replace the family car every few years. Then the "gas crisis" happened and people for the first time experienced the real cost of fuel. At the same time wages were stagnant or falling and more and more families were compensating by becoming two-wage-earner households, thereby doubling the need for transportation. Consumers suddenly became very cost-conscious and the Japanese manufacturers were at the right place at the right time to capitalize on that demand. Once consumers took that leap of faith and tried something different, they found that the Japanese cars were wonderfully efficient, rediculously reliable and in therefore in the long-term much more cost-effective. Overnight the definition of quality was changed. At the same time Detroit was caught unprepared with 1950's technology and it nearly finished the US market and the US automakers have envied the success of the Japanese during the "crisis" ever since. Once the "crisis" was over, the lessons of the Japanese cars stuck with us. People want reliable cars which can go well over 100,000 miles without any major service and don't want to replace them very often. The US manufacturers can do the reliability thing, but the thought of people holding onto the same car for 10 years scares them to death. They want to sell you a new car every few years, especially if they aren't going to be selling you very many parts during that time. But if the one you have will go for several hundred-thousand miles without any major problems, why should you buy a new one? So Detroit gets the US oil industry (along with help from the feds and international affairs) to artificially keep the price of US fuel low, really low. In fact when adjusted for inflation the price of gas (even in Alaska) is lower than it was in the 50's. This suckers us into forgetting about the whole fuel-efficiency thing while the US auto makers cram "bigger is safer" down our throats to the tune of 13 miles to the gallon. We swallow this with the thought in the back of our minds that since these new car/trucks are very comfortable, versatile, and will do 100,000 miles without major service, we can live with this big safe car/truck for a long time. But that's not what the industry wants us to do. Once everyone has bought their SUV or SSUV and the US auto industry thinks it is time to shove another car into our garage, watch and see, we'll have another "crisis" (Y2K??) but this time, curiously enough, the US industry will just happen to have production lines all ready to go to deliver your new ultra-efficient econobox to replace that (2-year) old, ugly gas hog of a SUV. And then a few years later there will be some 20/20 report on how badly a Geo Metro gets mangled by a head-on collision with a semi (well, duh!!), fuel prices will just happen to be down and the whole thing starts all over again. This whole safety thing is a load of B.S. Of course the biggest thing on the road is going to be the safest, but do we all want to be driving Kenworth's to work? Just imagine how safe the highways would be if the trucks were restricted to seperate lanes and everyone else drove a 50 MPG Geo Metro (or motorcycle). In fact, we could narrow the lanes for the smaller cars and give the semi's their own lane, giving us more lanes on the same roads without a bit of re-paving. But with Cadillac SSUV's and Lincoln Navigators hogging up the highways to the tune of $40,000+ a pop, what are the chances of that happening? Hell, it's even carrying over into the motorcycle industry. What are the most popular bikes in the US? Valkyries, Fat-Boys, GoldWings, Royal-Stars, all running at 35 MPG on a good day. The sad thing is that the ultimate winners are the owners of these multinational companies, the ultimate loser is the environment, and we are mere pawns in this big greedy game. ..stepping down from soap-box.. Greg Torok 97 PC800 (my only vehicle, except for my Schwinn) Bellingham, WA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ---------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Subject: Re: PC800: Fuel prices Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 22:41:18 -0000 Hi Juan, It cost $4 for the equivalent of a US Gallon. :-( Britian has a surplus capacity in oil production, but the pump prices are high due to high taxes. Job ---------- > From: jgoula > To: Michael Wesley ; PC800 > Subject: PC800: Fuel prices > Date: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 7:59 PM > > Ha. Alaska produces 25% of all domestic oil, the Alaska Pipeline snakes > through 15 miles from my place (flowing more than 1.5 million barrels > /day), we have a refinery 17 miles from here, and we are still paying > 1.23 for _regular_. Still, very cheap by european standards (right Job? > snicker snicker) > > Michael Wesley wrote: > > > OK, so I did buy premium from the Chevron station in Newark. The cheap > > stuff is probably $.20 less - only the best for my toys. > > About that... it has been documented in this list that the use of > premium has no advantage over regular. In fact, you get worse fuel > mileage. Check the archives. > > > > So tell me.....if gas is so much, why was every other car on the I-80 an > > > Explorer, Cherokee, Navigator, etc.? > > Ummm.... because we can afford it? :-P > > > FYI, I just heard a Cadillac commercial this morning for their new SSUV - > > no kidding. I wonder how many gallons to the mile it gets ... ;-) > > Yep, and Ford is developing a new maxi-SUV based on the F250/350. > Reportedly, it will be bigger than the Suburban. Go figure... > -- > Juan > Fairbanks, Alaska > Lat.: 64.847°N, Long.: 147.717°W > > Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure. > Aldous Huxley > --------------------------------------------------------- > School of Fisheries and Ocean Sciences > University of Alaska Fairbanks > (907)474-5520 > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Subject: Re: PC800: BMW K1200LT Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 22:49:48 -0000 Rumours that the new Beemer will also be equiped with tea-making facilities and a dishwaher are heresay.. Job Sussex, England ---------- > From: John Scalisi > To: PC800 List > Subject: PC800: BMW K1200LT > Date: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 9:45 PM > > Has anyone seen the new Rider December 1998 issue yet? They cover the > new for 1999 motorcycles. Go to page 42 where there's a picture of > the rear of the new BMW K1200LT. The caption for the picture states > "Integrated saddlebags, large tail light and detachable trunk form > shapely rear end". All of a sudden, BMW produces a motorcycle with > integrated saddlebags and a large tail light, the closest anyone has > come to the PC800's integrated trunk, and all of a sudden the large > rear end it creates is "shapely"! Whereas our beloved PC800 has been > hammered by the press since it's inception for the appearance of the > rear. Don't get me wrong, I think the new BMW is great looking but I > think the PC800 has a much more streamlined rear. But we get referred > to as "big butted" and the new Beamer is "shapely"! That ticks me > off. We should all write to Rider and hammer them on this one. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Subject: PC800: Re: gas Tank capacity Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 22:58:26 -0000 lol Tosh! Anither one of the possible reasons for the existence of the 'smaller' English Size Gas Tank is that Honda engineered it that way. Obviously because the country is so small, we only need a tiny gas tank. ;-) Job ---------- > From: Tosh Konya > To: pcsg@mistral.co.uk > Subject: gas Tank capacity > Date: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 8:57 PM > Hi all, PC800 has a fuel tank capacity of 4.2 gallons as you all claim the US. But when the bike is shipped over to England the fuel tank capacity becomes 3.5 gallons! What is going on?! What happened to the 0.7 gallons? Got lost in the Bermuda Triangle!! We don't put GAS in the tank. Only a liquid called PETROL. But still.... The good news is that we get 25% more mpg than you lot! :-) Job Sussex England > I think it's related to you guys having bikes with right hand drive! > > The 4.2 is obviously U.S. gallons. Is it possible that the 3.5 are > Imperial gallons? My memory of this conversion are fuzzy but > this seems about right. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Spain, Harrison" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Wong Wing diode/resistor Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 15:13:07 -0800 I have a spare Wong Wing diode/resistor. I seem to recall someone looking for one :-). Harrison -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 14:18:29 -0900 From: jgoula To: pcsg@mistral.co.uk, PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: Fuel prices "PCSG Ltd." wrote: > It cost $4 for the equivalent of a US Gallon. :-( > Britian has a surplus capacity in oil production, but the pump prices are > high due to high taxes. > Hi Job, Yes, I am fully aware of the horrendous taxes that European nations face, and not just on fuel. I read yesterday that Denmark has an income tax of 52% =:-0 and a sales tax of 25%. Sheesh! How can people afford to live, let alone recreate? Not being a student of history, are taxes like this due to the historical setup of government (monarchies, who taxed the hell out of people just because), a serious back lash to previously liberal and wasteful practices towards limited resources or...? In the meantime, I guess I'll appreciate cheap petrol all that more. -- Juan Fairbanks, Alaska Lat.: 64.847°N, Long.: 147.717°W Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure. Aldous Huxley --------------------------------------------------------- School of Fisheries and Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks (907)474-5520 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: Helmet storage Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 00:18:58 +0100 >Also, you can't put full size helmets in ST1100 panniers. >Harleys are even worse. So much wasted space! > >Job Offcourse Harleys are just toys, but I believe the ST can carry full face helmets. It's like on the PC: you have to put the right side up/down to get it in. On the other hand, the R1100RT can't take full face helmets (Brian?). And I checked the K1200LT cases, they don't seem to take 'm either. I'm not sure, but they looked pretty small inside. ___ [_ mile Nossin, '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Kingdom of the Netherlands, Santpoort "Parking tickets exist by the grace of windshield whipers." http://www.cybercomm.nl/~emile ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:03:59 -0800 (PST) From: John La Subject: PC800: NOT PC RELATED- Hawaii trip To: pclist If you are bothered by messages that don't have PC content, delete this now... I am taking advantage of a last minute offer to spend a week in Hawaii. I leave Thursday 11-5 for Honolulu. Since I've never visited before, I'd like to take advantage of the experiences of my learned and well traveled associates on the PC List! (is my nose brown yet?)... I don't have a large budget for island hopping, so I might have to limit this trip to the island of Oahu. I've been told to visit Pearl Harbor and the Cultural Center. Any other suggestions? Thanks!! John == PC800 FAQ now online! Check it out- http://hhd.csun.edu/john/pcfaq.htm _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: BMW K1200LT From: Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org (Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 17:25:24 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) On Tue, Nov 3, 1998, 9:45:48 PM GMT John Scalisi wrote: >BMW produces a motorcycle with >integrated saddlebags and a large tail light, the closest anyone has >come to the PC800's integrated trunk, and all of a sudden the large >rear end it creates is "shapely"! That's what the price of status buys. Try gluing a little blue and white logo on the butt-end of your PC and watch how quickly it becomes "shapely" as well. >We should all write to Rider and hammer them on this one. I really don't think BMW is at all to blame here. They have an elite brand- name and that tends to woo the magazine writers. If you want some perspective on the relevance of magazine reviews, check out some old bike of the year awards. There are plenty of embarassing picks to be had (Yamaha Vision?!?!?!). It starts to make the magazine reviews look like they're just simply picking their favorite candy for that day. Hey, what the heck, they don't have to live with the bike for more than a few days anyway, let alone finance it for the next millenium. Greg Torok 97 PC800 Bellingham, WA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 21:03:29 -0500 From: Joe Beresford To: Chuck Chiodini CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Fwd: Sound advice Id love to offer myself for a rider test.... I leave in the morning from Cincy heading to Fredrecksburg Texas for the HSTA Hill Country Ride.. I use a widder...but I'd gladly compare it to anything else...I always been happy with mine, but I believe in show me a better thing and I'll buy one...... Keep ya all posted when I return... joe -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 21:16:01 -0500 From: Joe Beresford To: HSTA List , pc 800 list Subject: PC800: Cold Ride Expected.... Well, if anyone out there between Cincinnati, Ohio and Fredricksburg, Texas see a couple of red Honda's with Ohio plates over the next couple days, I apoloigize if I dont wave back... as the temp is now down to about 30 degrees I expect that I might be a little numb and turning into a POPsicile, but please do wave an beep as we go by, any of you folks there in Texas please standby for our arrival late Thursday or early Friday with ice-pics, warm drinks, and a HOT-tub.... We are on our way... keep eye open for a trip report I bet this will be a great adventure!!! Daryl Cassada and Fireman Joe Beresford-cincinnati, ohio HSTA die-hards! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: DavidAklein@webtv.net (David Klein) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 21:18:01 -0500 (EST) To: pcsg@mistral.co.uk Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Gas Tank capacity PUZZLE :-)) --WebTV-Mail-1116674233-2931 Hello JOB, Bloody Cool !!! I enjoyed the Flavoring you brought to this PC gas tank discussion. Tally Ho!! Dave Klein DavidAklein@WebTV.Net Fort Wayne,Indiana Awarded All American City Status For 1999 --WebTV-Mail-1116674233-2931 with ESMTP id JAA10822; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 09:09:55 -0800 (PST) mailsorter-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id JAA11814; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 09:09:54 -0800 (PST) gizmo.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAC25815; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 11:09:52 -0600 sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01285 for ; hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA15144 for ; ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Subject: PC800: Gas Tank capacity PUZZLE :-)) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:46:26 -0000 Hi all, PC800 has a fuel tank capacity of 4.2 gallons as you all claim the US. But when the bike is shipped over to England the fuel tank capacity becomes 3.5 gallons! What is going on?! What happened to the 0.7 gallons? Got lost in the Bermuda Triangle!! We don't put GAS in the tank. Only a liquid called PETROL. But still.... The good news is that we get 25% more mpg than you lot! :-) Job Sussex England -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. --WebTV-Mail-1116674233-2931-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 23:55:08 +1900 (EST) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 23:55:08 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Gas Tank capacity PUZZLE :-)) Rich writes: << Makes me kind of wonder, actually, is there ANY advantage to using higher than 87 octane in the PC800 assuming no additives and high quality gasoline? >> That one's easy: No. J. T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael.Wesley" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: Pictures of my Wong Wing Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 21:25:09 -0800 Hello All, I have posted a few pictures of my Wong Wing at = http://www.bizsoft.com/pc800/. I didn't think to take a night picture = of my wing at night, but maybe I'll get one posted soon. I do have a = picture of the wing in the daylight, and you can clearly see the light. = ;-) Best Regards, MikeW -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 23:26:16 -0600 From: Steve Wilson To: Michael Wesley CC: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: Re: PC800: Gas Tank capacity PUZZLE :-)) A little reading material from Bill for you premium users.  The Low-Down on High Octane Gasoline

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Steve Wilson     Ruston LA.

Owner:     Father & Son Lawn Care

Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer
           22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck

Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800
           7/98 SS1000
  -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael.Wesley" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Gas Tank capacity PUZZLE :-)) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 21:36:49 -0800 I'm starting to believe that there is something to this octane thing. I = know that my car does perform better on high octane, but I can't say = that for my bikes. When I took my Triumph to the race track earlier = this year, there were a few guys that put in race gas that was well = above 100 octane and their bikes would not start - Triumph does = recommend 89. I have noticed that some brands do cause a power loss on = my PC though ... I think I'll switch my bikes to 89 Chevron ... Regards, MikeW -----Original Message----- From: Steve Wilson To: Michael Wesley Cc: 'pc800@hpc.uh.edu' Date: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 9:27 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Gas Tank capacity PUZZLE :-)) =20 =20 A little reading material from Bill for you premium users. The = Low-Down on High Octane Gasoline=20 --=20 Steve Wilson Ruston LA.=20 Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care=20 Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer=20 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck=20 Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800=20 7/98 SS1000=20 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send = "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To = report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu.=20 89.  I have=20 noticed that some brands do cause a power loss on my PC though = ...

 
I think I'll switch my bikes to 89 Chevron = ...
 
Regards,
 
MikeW
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Steve Wilson <deere@linknet.net>
To:=20 Michael Wesley <bizsoft@bizsoft.com>
Cc:= =20 'pc800@hpc.uh.edu' = <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Date:=20 Tuesday, November 03, 1998 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: PC800: = Gas=20 Tank capacity PUZZLE :-))

A little reading = material from=20 Bill for you premium users.  The = Low-Down on=20 High Octane Gasoline=20

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Steve Wilson     Ruston LA.=20

Owner:     Father & Son Lawn Care=20

Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer=20
           22 = H.P.=20 Diesel, 60 Inch Deck=20

Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800=20
           = 7/98 SS1000=20
  -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send = "unsubscribe=20 pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To = report=20 problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. =

-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 23:54:19 -0600 From: Steve Wilson To: "Michael.Wesley" CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Gas Tank capacity PUZZLE :-)) The way I understand octane is this: High octane is for high compression engines so that the gas will not fire under compression until the plug fires it. High octane gas ignites/burns slower. Low octane gas ignites quicker so you get more horsepower/better gas mileage as long as the engine is low enough compression as to not fire the gas before it is time to. Another name for the knocking you hear when you use too low an octane is "pre-ignition". That means you need a slower igniting gas(higher octane) so that it doesn't ignite until the plug fires. I hope this makes sense and is correct. If not, NEVER MIND. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Gas Tank capacity PUZZLE :-)) From: Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org (Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council) Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 00:06:07 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu On Wed, Nov 4, 1998, 5:36:49 AM GMT Michael.Wesley wrote: >When I took my Triumph to the race track earlier this year, there were a = few >guys that put in race gas that was well above 100 octane and their bikes = would >not start - Triumph does recommend 89. I have noticed that some brands do >cause a power loss on my PC though ... > >I think I'll switch my bikes to 89 Chevron ... The way I understand it, the higher octane fuel is really only of any use = in high-compression engines. At 9 to 1, the wonderfully de-tuned PC hardly = qualifies as high-compression. This is also in part what gives it it's = mild manners and longevity As a side benefit, it burns 87-octane fuel as cleanly and efficiently = (producing the same amount of power) as premium.=20 If you were to mill and port the heads, install more aggressive cams and = mess a bit with the timing to bring the compression ratio up above 12 to 1 = then you'd have to use premium gas. Then again you'd also have to re-jet = the carbs and fabricate a new exhaust system and the thing still wouldn't = idle worth a damn anymore either. So if it doesn't knock, don't worry about it and save your pennies. Greg Torok 97 PC800 Bellingham, WA= -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jim Alexander" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: Big Butt ST vs. PC Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 23:03:00 -0800 -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PCSG Ltd. To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 3:05 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Big Butt ST vs. PC >Greg, you are so right. > >Integrating the mudguards, panniers, etc has created a smaller package with >the PC800. >Also, you can't put full size helmets in ST1100 panniers. >Harleys are even worse. So much wasted space! {much snipped} I hear this all the time about the ST saddle bags. I wear an extra large helmet and never had a problem putting my helmet in my ST bags. I wonder where this rumor comes from. I had several people disagree with me that owned STs and I would take their helmets and put them in their own bags .... they still didn't believe it was possible, yet I had done it right in front of them. Now I will admit, you have to put the helmet in the right position and you can't put too much else in the bag, but it does fit. Conversely, I will heartily agree that putting my helmet in the PC is much easier and I don't have to worry too much which way I put it in there. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Arvid_L=F8vik?=" To: Subject: PC800: European Gas Prices: Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:50:23 +0100 PRICES PR.LITER IN US .$:COUNTRY LEDFREE 95 OKTAN COUNTRY LEDFREE 95 OKTAN=20 Belgium 1.02 Portugal 0.90=20 Denmark 0.97 Spain 0.76=20 Finland 1.09 Great Britain 1.o8=20 France 1.03 Switzerland 0,79=20 Italiy 1.02 Sweden 1.13=20 Luxembourg 0.71 Tsjekkia 0.69=20 The Netherlands 1.07 Germany 0.93=20 Poland 0.56 Osterreich 0.90=20 =20 AND FINALLY THE TAXECOUNTRY OF: NORWAY: 1 Liter of 95 octane: NOK 9.52 =3D US $ 1.29 Of this amount there are 75 % in tax,and we are the second (or third) = largest oil producing country in the world!!!!!! BTW. My PC consume 4.68 liter /100Km if I am driving around 90/100knh = and are verycareful with the throttle. Regards Arvid=20 Norway -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Arvid_L=F8vik?=" To: Subject: PC800: Prices on gas in Norway: Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:21:27 +0100 1 litre at NOK 9.52 pr.litre : US $ 4.89 a gallon US US $ 5.81 a gallon UK -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 00:31:56 -0800 To: "Arvid Løvik" , From: Dimitri Rakitine Subject: Re: PC800: Prices on gas in Norway: At 09:21 AM 981104 +0100, Arvid Løvik wrote: >>>> US $ 5.81 a gallon UK <<<<<<<< great. what we need to protect the enviroment.' >>>> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 00:45:06 -0500 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: PC800 Rider , Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Electric gloves/vest Hi Tim, PC800 Rider wrote: > Gerbing's $139 gloves are water resistant. I bought them, but they have > not arrived yet. I'm never really sure what "water resistant" means when > it applies to clothing from any manufacturer. It's kind of like "New and > Improved" on laundry soap and cereal. My experience has been that "water resistant" doesn't mean a whole lot. Waterproof, on the other hand, is pretty definite and is what I always look for on the "label." -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 118,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 00:58:38 -0500 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Emile Nossin , Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Gas Tank capacity PUZZLE :-)) Hi Emile, Emile Nossin wrote: > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought a higher octane number was better against knocking. That's always been my understanding too. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 118,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 01:09:16 -0500 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: John Scalisi , Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: BMW K1200LT Hi John, John Scalisi wrote: > Has anyone seen the new Rider December 1998 issue yet? They cover the > new for 1999 motorcycles. Go to page 42 where there's a picture of > the rear of the new BMW K1200LT. The caption for the picture states > "Integrated saddlebags, large tail light and detachable trunk form > shapely rear end". All of a sudden, BMW produces a motorcycle with > integrated saddlebags and a large tail light, the closest anyone has > come to the PC800's integrated trunk, and all of a sudden the large > rear end it creates is "shapely"! As Bernie put it, the new 1200 looks like "a PC on steroids." -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 118,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 01:03:52 -0500 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: "Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council" , Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Big Butt ST vs. PC Hi Greg, Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council wrote: > I'm not sure if this ever got settled, but I was at my Mechanic's place > yesterday and lo and behold there was an ST1100 in for service. I asked if I > could borrow a tape measure and settle the big-butt debate once and for all. > > What I found: > > If you measure from the widest part of the PC (the scuff guards), the ST1100 > is nearly TWO-INCHES WIDER in the rear-end. > > If you measure the actual rear-end of the PC (side reflector to side > reflector) the ST is more than FIVE INCHES WIDER in the rear!!! > > So the next time an ST-rider tells you to put your PC on a diet, whip out your > tape measure and have a can of Slim-Fast ready for their ST. Oh how sweet it is! Thanks for the info. When I wrote Rider and Clement Salvadori, I knew that he rode an ST1100. I challenged him to measure his bike across the back and gave him the measurement for my PC. They didn't print that part of my letter but I had guessed that the ST might be as big. I didn't expect it to be bigger... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 118,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 01:10:51 -0500 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: pcsg@mistral.co.uk, Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: BMW K1200LT Hi Job, PCSG Ltd. wrote: > Rumours that the new Beemer will also be equiped with tea-making facilities > and a dishwaher are heresay.. I understood that the tea-making facilities were definite. I did hear that the dishwasher was iffy... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 118,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DS75XHFB; Wed, 04 Nov 1998 06:39:29 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 06:36:35 -0500 Subject: PC800: Gloves From: miketwh@juno.com (Mike T Whited) Anyone have any imput on Hatch gloves? I'm looking for a good winter glove (non electric) and get a good price on their winter gauntlet with rain covers in either nylon or leather. The rub is it mail order and I hate buying a "pig in a poke". Anyone know of a dealer in central Ohio that may carry them so I can make my own assessment? Thanks Mike Whited ' 94 PC ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: Gas/Petrol brand Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:45:39 +0100 >I have noticed that some brands do cause a power loss on my PC though ... >I think I'll switch my bikes to 89 Chevron ... >MikeW A Dutch magazine (ProMotor) did a test on different kind of gas brands to get such rumours out of the way. They tested 12 brands available in Holland: 1.Aral 2.Avia 3.Bim 4.BP 5.Esso 6.Fina 7.Gulf 8.Mobil 9.OK 10.Q8 11.Shell 12.Tamoil They tested them on a BMW F650 because it only had one cilinder to clean and liquid cooling to keep a constant temperature. All parameters were kept constant in a closed, ventilated room on a Dynojet where the BMW's oil temperature was kept within constant values. All brands were bought around the country on the same day and placed in the same storage room to prevent differences in temp's. They tested the fuel for warm start characteristics, power output and development of that power, picking up of the engine during acceleration, emission (CO and HC) and the mileage. Test conclusion: NO DIFFERENCE. They said any differenence measured buy riders themselves (they had a lot of readers saying the same as you) have to look for the difference in environmental or atmospheric circumstances or between the ears. Mileage, power, acceleration and emission were perfectly identical. I'm looking at the dynojet graphs here, there really is no difference. ___ [_ mile Nossin, '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Kingdom of the Netherlands, Santpoort "Parking tickets exist by the grace of windshield whipers." http://www.cybercomm.nl/~emile ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: Pre ignition / Detonation Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:11:24 +0100 >Low octane gas ignites quicker so you get more horsepower/better gas >mileage as long as the engine is low enough compression as to not fire >the gas before it is time to. Sorry Steve, I had to react. I didn't know there was any difference in burning time with different kind of octane numbers. I thought the higher octane number only prevented the fuel from igniting by itself. I don't believe you can't get any better horsepower or mileage if the gas ignites quicker. The timing of ignition (###uming the fuel doesn't detonate early) has to be set to the fuel, usually a little before the piston reaches it's 'highest' (?) point. If it is set for 98 and you put 95 octane (RON) in there and it would ignite earlier, chance is you might blow the engine because pressure could become to high in the cilinder before the piston reaches it's 'highest' (don't know the correct English word) point. But that's assuming burning rate is quicker, which I think it isn't. >Another name for the knocking you hear >when you use too low an octane is "pre-ignition". Isn't it 'detonation' ? I thought "pre-ignition" is the term used when fuel also ignites prematurely but because of unburned fuel and oil particles left on the cilinderwall and valves. Knocking is caused because of detonation, exploding of the fuel prematurely i.o. burning (with pre-ignition) like in a Diesel engine, only uncontrolled. The higher octane number prevents fuel exploding by itself when pressure and/or cilinder temperature is high. Or at least that's what I've read. >. I hope this makes sense and is correct. If not, NEVER >MIND. > Sorry Steve. : )=) ___ [_ mile Nossin, '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Kingdom of the Netherlands, Santpoort "Parking tickets exist by the grace of windshield whipers." http://www.cybercomm.nl/~emile ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:12:21 EST To: lcshepp@directcon.net, pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Electric gloves/vest While it is indeed true that the Widder electric gloves are not waterproof, all you gotta do is what was recommended to me- simply slip on a pair or rubber gloves on over them! I bought some 3x rubber gloves at a janitorial supply and keep them with me whenever that I am wearing my heated gloves. They are snug, but they will fit over. Then, if I get caught in the rain, my hands stay warm AND dry. Hope this helps. Russ Vernon -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:44:37 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jim Alexander" To: "Leland C. Sheppard" , , "Pacific Coast Owners" Subject: Re: PC800: BMW K1200LT Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 05:44:14 -0800 What about the optional trash compactor for the left side fairing pocket? And wasn't the tea-maker really just a piece of hardware that went into the microwave? ;-) -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Leland C. Sheppard >Hi Job, > >PCSG Ltd. wrote: > >> Rumours that the new Beemer will also be equiped with tea-making facilities >> and a dishwaher are heresay.. > >I understood that the tea-making facilities were definite. I did hear that the >dishwasher was iffy... > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. id HAA02882 (8.8.6/50); Wed, 4 Nov 1998 07:46:06 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 07:45:03 -0600 To: "Leland C. Sheppard" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Rich Gross Subject: Re: PC800: Gas tank capacity >Sure. I keep records in a spread sheet and in order to calculate the >number of >miles per tank average, I need the number of tanks. It's just a byproduct >of the >calculations I'm trying to keep. Awesome. Great resource for the rest of us! Rich Madison, WI 1994 PC800: "Jetson" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Timothy Graham" To: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: Gas Tank capacity PUZZLE :-)) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 01:46:59 -0500 Carbon deposits in the engine can also cause pinging/pre-ignition. The carbon gets hot and also takes up space(raising the compression ratio). Higher octane will help prevent pinging from this, but a mechanic really should remove the deposits. Steve Wilson wrote on Wednesday, November 04, 1998 0:53 >The way I understand octane is this: High octane is for high >compression engines so that the gas will not fire under compression >until the plug fires it. High octane gas ignites/burns slower. Low >octane gas ignites quicker so you get more horsepower/better gas >mileage as long as the engine is low enough compression as to not fire >the gas before it is time to. Another name for the knocking you hear >when you use too low an octane is "pre-ignition". That means you need >a slower igniting gas(higher octane) so that it doesn't ignite until >the plug fires. I hope this makes sense and is correct. If not, NEVER >MIND. > >-- >Steve Wilson Ruston LA. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tim J. Clevenger" To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: PC800: Big Butt ST vs. PC Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 07:58:42 -0800 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I think it depends on the helmet. Some helmets are wider/longer than = others. My Bieffe helmet fits in the trunk of my PC, but I have to get = it in there "just right." Regards, Tim Clevenger '98 PC800 ("Sweet 16") ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Alexander[SMTP:Jim_Bene@pacbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 11:03 PM To: pcsg@mistral.co.uk; pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Big Butt ST vs. PC I hear this all the time about the ST saddle bags. I wear an extra = large helmet and never had a problem putting my helmet in my ST bags. I = wonder where this rumor comes from. I had several people disagree with me that owned STs and I would take = their helmets and put them in their own bags .... they still didn't believe it = was possible, yet I had done it right in front of them. Now I will admit, = you have to put the helmet in the right position and you can't put too much = else in the bag, but it does fit. Conversely, I will heartily agree that putting my helmet in the PC is = much easier and I don't have to worry too much which way I put it in there. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tim J. Clevenger" To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: PC800: Gloves Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:01:58 -0800 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Whatever you decide to get, make sure you bring a pair of latex rubber = gloves with you. They add an extra layer of insulation in case you need = it. Regards, Tim Clevenger '98 PC800 ("Sweet 16") ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Mike T Whited[SMTP:miketwh@juno.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 1998 3:36 AM To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Gloves Anyone have any imput on Hatch gloves? I'm looking for a good winter glove (non electric) and get a good price on their winter gauntlet with rain covers in either nylon or leather. The rub is it mail order and I hate buying a "pig in a poke". Anyone know of a dealer in central Ohio that may carry them so I can = make my own assessment? Thanks Mike Whited ' 94 PC ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Subject: PC800: PC800 Gas Tank capacity PUZZLE :-)) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:12:56 -0000 PPS. Since sending the following two messages I checked with Francois Saint Laurent in Montreal AND Daniel MacKay in Nova Scotia, Canada. Their PC800s have a top speed of 185. Best I have managed is 115.. Also, their fuel tank capacity is SIXTEEN !! This must be because Canada is such a HUGE country. Does anyone have the Part Number for these HUGE gas tanks? ;-)) ---------------------------- PS. One of the possible reasons for the existence of the 'smaller' English Size Gas Tank is that Honda engineered it that way. Obviously because the country is so small, we only need a tiny gas tank. ;-) ------------------- Hi all, PC800 has a fuel tank capacity of 4.2 gallons as you all claim the US. But when the bike is shipped over to England the fuel tank capacity becomes 3.5 gallons! What is going on?! What happened to the 0.7 gallons? Got lost in the Bermuda Triangle!! We don't put GAS in the tank. Only a liquid called PETROL. But still.... The good news is that we get 25% more mpg than you lot! :-) Job Sussex England ----------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Subject: Re: PC800: Gas Tank capacity PUZZLE :-)) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:56:18 -0000 WOW! I always thought carbon deposits cause 'pre-ignition' because they remain red-hot. But if they take up a SUBSTANTIAL amont of space to increase the compression ratio (enough to cause 'detonation'); may be we can use a higher octane fuel to increase the power output! Can't wait to put some liquid coal in the tank of my new PC ;-) Job ---------- > From: Timothy Graham > To: PC800 Mailing List > Subject: Re: PC800: Gas Tank capacity PUZZLE :-)) > Date: Wednesday, November 04, 1998 6:46 AM > > Carbon deposits in the engine can also cause pinging/pre-ignition. The carbon > gets hot and also takes up space(raising the compression ratio). Higher octane > will help prevent pinging from this, but a mechanic really should remove the > deposits. > > > Steve Wilson wrote on Wednesday, November 04, 1998 0:53 > > > >The way I understand octane is this: High octane is for high > >compression engines so that the gas will not fire under compression > >until the plug fires it. High octane gas ignites/burns slower. Low > >octane gas ignites quicker so you get more horsepower/better gas > >mileage as long as the engine is low enough compression as to not fire > >the gas before it is time to. Another name for the knocking you hear > >when you use too low an octane is "pre-ignition". That means you need > >a slower igniting gas(higher octane) so that it doesn't ignite until > >the plug fires. I hope this makes sense and is correct. If not, NEVER > >MIND. > > > >-- > >Steve Wilson Ruston LA. > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rthomass@ccmail.com Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 09:33:56 -0800 To: Subject: PC800: Duplicate messages? Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" Frequently I end up receiving two copies of the same message. The duplicates are usually replies to a previous message. Is it just me getting these? When I reply to messages I select the option "reply to all" then delete all addresses except pc800@hpc.uh.edu I don't get duplicates of my own messages... Blue skies and fun rides, Roy T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. id LAA29050 (8.8.6/50); Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:54:48 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:53:48 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Rich Gross Subject: Re: PC800: Duplicate messages? >Frequently I end up receiving two copies of the same message. The duplicates >are usually replies to a previous message. Is it just me getting these? Yes, we are a bit sloppy with that sort of thing. o I try to reply to the sender alone if the contents are not of general interest (e.g. 'Thanks for the tip.') Otherwise, I reply to the list alone, since the sender will then receive it anyway. o When I include a copy of the original message in my reply, I trim it to only the highly relevant parts so we are not reading entire copies of copies of copies... all the time. Actually, this list is lots better than many others I have seen. The actual content is so much more reasonable and - dare I say - mature that it is a pleasure, even with the duplicates. Lots of mutual respect and courtesy, so few flames. It's a nice reflection on who rides PC800s. Rich Madison, WI 1994 PC800: "Jetson" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Peter_N1@verifone.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: European Gas Prices: Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:09:11 -0800 Hmmmmm...... If these price conversions are correct, it would seem = that gas prices are NOT artifically lower in the U.S., and that a lot of Europe = is not paying excessivly higher prices for gas (petrol) either. Peter Noeth || KE6ZJA || SF Bay Area, CA || '96 w/ 9k and loving every = minuite! > ---------- > From: Arvid L=F8vik[SMTP:torilljk@online.no] > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 11:50 PM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: European Gas Prices: >=20 > PRICES PR.LITER IN US .$:=20 > COUNTRY LEDFREE > 95 OKTAN COUNTRY LEDFREE > 95 OKTAN=09 > Belgium =A01.02 Portugal 0.90=09 > Denmark =A00.97 Spain 0.76=09 > Finland =A01.09 Great Britain 1.o8=09 > France 1.03 Switzerland 0,79=09 > Italiy 1.02 Sweden 1.13=09 > Luxembourg 0.71 Tsjekkia 0.69=09 > The Netherlands 1.07 Germany 0.93=09 > Poland 0.56 Osterreich 0.90=09 > =A0 > AND FINALLY THE TAXECOUNTRY OF: NORWAY: > =A0 > 1 Liter of 95 octane: NOK 9.52 =3D US $ 1.29 > =A0 > Of this amount there are 75 % in tax,and we are the second (or third) = largest > oil producing country in the world!!!!!! > =A0 > BTW. My PC consume 4.68 liter /100Km if I am driving around 90/100knh = and are > verycareful with the throttle. > =A0 > Regards > Arvid=20 > Norway >=20 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Peter_N1@verifone.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, Peter_N1@verifone.com Subject: RE: PC800: European Gas Prices: Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:19:24 -0800 Disregard !!!!!! After pressing "send" I realized the quantity was not converted (liters to gallons). Please no flames !! Peter Noeth || KE6ZJA || SF Bay Area, CA || '96 w/ 9k and loving every = minuite! > ---------- > From: Peter_N1@verifone.com[SMTP:Peter_N1@verifone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 1998 10:09 AM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: RE: PC800: European Gas Prices: >=20 > Hmmmmm...... If these price conversions are correct, it would seem = that gas > prices are NOT artifically lower in the U.S., and that a lot of = Europe is not > paying excessivly higher prices for gas (petrol) either. >=20 > Peter Noeth || KE6ZJA || SF Bay Area, CA || '96 w/ 9k and loving = every > minuite! >=20 >=20 > > ---------- > > From: Arvid L=F8vik[SMTP:torilljk@online.no] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 11:50 PM > > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > > Subject: PC800: European Gas Prices: > >=20 > > PRICES PR.LITER IN US .$:=20 > > COUNTRY LEDFREE > > 95 OKTAN COUNTRY LEDFREE > > 95 OKTAN=09 > > Belgium =A01.02 Portugal 0.90=09 > > Denmark =A00.97 Spain 0.76=09 > > Finland =A01.09 Great Britain 1.o8=09 > > France 1.03 Switzerland 0,79=09 > > Italiy 1.02 Sweden 1.13=09 > > Luxembourg 0.71 Tsjekkia 0.69=09 > > The Netherlands 1.07 Germany 0.93=09 > > Poland 0.56 Osterreich 0.90=09 > > =A0 > > AND FINALLY THE TAXECOUNTRY OF: NORWAY: > > =A0 > > 1 Liter of 95 octane: NOK 9.52 =3D US $ 1.29 > > =A0 > > Of this amount there are 75 % in tax,and we are the second (or = third) > largest > > oil producing country in the world!!!!!! > > =A0 > > BTW. My PC consume 4.68 liter /100Km if I am driving around = 90/100knh and > are > > verycareful with the throttle. > > =A0 > > Regards > > Arvid=20 > > Norway > >=20 > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of = a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >=20 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 13:35:16 -0500 From: Thomas Ongstad To: Jim Randall CC: "'PC800 List'" Subject: Re: FW: PC800: Fuel prices Jim Randall wrote: In my opinion, there's not been a time in recent history more marked with unmitigated personal greed - unfortunately it's become the American way. The expensive, wasteful and generally unnecessary vehicles described in Greg's tome, are just a manifestation of this attitude. Jim and Greg Excellent dissertations from both Greg and Jim. Must be the riding of the PC opens our eyes to reality that we have none to blame but ourselves. Over at the Goldwing list they are still finding the blaming others for all their ills, fits them best (and if you posted your last two items there, your computers would incinerate from all the flames). The only major difference that I have (and it is no big deal) is with Jim's statement that things have never been worse. I believe that greed has been a driving force in this world forever. The difference now is that there are many more that have obtained the wherewithal to rise to a new level of greed, whereas before, it was restricted to the monarchs and later Getty's. Unmitigated greed has always been with us, only now is there enough wealth, that there are more that can participate in the greed game. The "I got mine, screw you" syndrome. Again, well done gentleman. TommyTeal -- 93SE (Teal, You Think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast 98V-Star Classic (Red, you bet) GWTA #6871 GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Chuck Chiodini" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Xenon Headlight & Thanks Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 10:41:27 PST Fellow listers: I would publicly like to thank Mr. (don't know your first name) Sigsbee from Memphis, TN for sending me the original Honda publicity brochure for my 89 PC. Thanks! If I can return the favor, just let me know. You, collectively speaking, listers are great! There is an Air Rider ad in December's Rider magazine for a blue/white Xenon gas H-4 headlight bulb ($14.99/ea). I called Mike at Air Rider and he told me this is the authentic Xenon bulb made in Germany and not the cheapo copy with the blue filter added. He claims that it will give over 30% brighter performance over stock without increasing heat output. He stated that they have sold quite a few in the past few weeks with no complaints. I ordered one and will let the list know how it turns out. Thanks to everyone for your input on electrical clothing. I've placed an order for gloves and vest with Gerbing. I like the feel/quality of their all leather gloves that even have heated palms. Also the Gerbing's are wired in parallel for full voltage to the heaters, if one glove shorts out the other will still function. I'll go with the simple on/off switch right now as I can always add the thermostat later. Gerbing reps answered all of my questions where Widder didn't reply. Gerbing also allowed my buddy who owns a shop to become a dealer/rep over the phone the same day he called (can you say big discount for Chuck?). I'll give a performance report on my next 1000 mile in 24 hour ride over Thanksgiving holiday. Ride safe (and warm!) Chuck in Fayetteville (not Honduras thank goodness!) 89 PC800 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:53:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:53:33 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Xenon Headlight & Thanks In a message dated 11/4/98 12:43:32 PM Central Standard Time, chiodinc@hotmail.com writes: << He claims that it will give over 30% brighter performance over stock without increasing heat output. >> Why not just put in a brighter bulb and not worry about it? Some time ago, I installed a 90/130 watt headlight bulb in my PC and have not had the first problem with it. I love the additional candlepower, and do not plan to go back to the stock (read dim) bulb ever. Twice the light is twice as nice. I have seen the light, and it is good. Russ Vernon -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Subject: Re: PC800: Duplicate messages? Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 19:11:12 -0000 May be this is because PC800 never really become very popular with the Hell's Angels ;-) Job > Actually, this list is lots better than many others I have seen. The actual > content is so much more reasonable and - dare I say - mature that it is a > pleasure, even with the duplicates. Lots of mutual respect and courtesy, so > few flames. It's a nice reflection on who rides PC800s. > > Rich > Madison, WI > 1994 PC800: "Jetson" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Subject: Re: PC800: European Gas Prices: Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 19:22:21 -0000 The prices shown are for one LITER and not one GALLON. Converting UK prices to US Gallons and Currency, we pay US$4 per Gallon. I heard that some listers are paying just 89c per Gallon. No wonder 'The Great American Love Affair' with the motorcar still flourish.. I feel sooo jealous.... Job Sussex, England ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Peter_N1@verifone.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: European Gas Prices: Date: Wednesday, November 04, 1998 6:09 PM Hmmmmm...... If these price conversions are correct, it would seem that gas prices are NOT artifically lower in the U.S., and that a lot of Europe is not paying excessivly higher prices for gas (petrol) either. Peter Noeth || KE6ZJA || SF Bay Area, CA || '96 w/ 9k and loving every minuite! > ---------- > From: Arvid Løvik[SMTP:torilljk@online.no] > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 11:50 PM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: European Gas Prices: > > PRICES PR.LITER IN US .$: > COUNTRY LEDFREE > 95 OKTAN COUNTRY LEDFREE > 95 OKTAN > Belgium  1.02 Portugal 0.90 > Denmark  0.97 Spain 0.76 > Finland  1.09 Great Britain 1.o8 > France 1.03 Switzerland 0,79 > Italiy 1.02 Sweden 1.13 > Luxembourg 0.71 Tsjekkia 0.69 > The Netherlands 1.07 Germany 0.93 > Poland 0.56 Osterreich 0.90 >   > AND FINALLY THE TAXECOUNTRY OF: NORWAY: >   > 1 Liter of 95 octane: NOK 9.52 = US $ 1.29 >   > Of this amount there are 75 % in tax,and we are the second (or third) largest > oil producing country in the world!!!!!! >   > BTW. My PC consume 4.68 liter /100Km if I am driving around 90/100knh and are > verycareful with the throttle. >   > Regards > Arvid > Norway > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ---------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:11:55 -0800 (PST) From: John Scalisi Subject: RE: PC800: European Gas Prices: To: Peter_N1@verifone.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu The prices listed were per liter. Multiply by 3.785 to get gallons to compare to US prices. ---Peter_N1@verifone.com wrote: > > Hmmmmm...... If these price conversions are correct, it would seem that gas > prices are NOT artifically lower in the U.S., and that a lot of Europe is not > paying excessivly higher prices for gas (petrol) either. > > Peter Noeth || KE6ZJA || SF Bay Area, CA || '96 w/ 9k and loving every minuite! > > > > ---------- > > From: Arvid Løvik[SMTP:torilljk@online.no] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 11:50 PM > > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > > Subject: PC800: European Gas Prices: > > > > PRICES PR.LITER IN US .$: > > COUNTRY LEDFREE > > 95 OKTAN COUNTRY LEDFREE > > 95 OKTAN > > Belgium  1.02 Portugal 0.90 > > Denmark  0.97 Spain 0.76 > > Finland  1.09 Great Britain 1.o8 > > France 1.03 Switzerland 0,79 > > Italiy 1.02 Sweden 1.13 > > Luxembourg 0.71 Tsjekkia 0.69 > > The Netherlands 1.07 Germany 0.93 > > Poland 0.56 Osterreich 0.90 > >   > > AND FINALLY THE TAXECOUNTRY OF: NORWAY: > >   > > 1 Liter of 95 octane: NOK 9.52 = US $ 1.29 > >   > > Of this amount there are 75 % in tax,and we are the second (or third) largest > > oil producing country in the world!!!!!! > >   > > BTW. My PC consume 4.68 liter /100Km if I am driving around 90/100knh and are > > verycareful with the throttle. > >   > > Regards > > Arvid > > Norway > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Neillnsteph T" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: K&N Air Filters Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 12:50:54 PST I got the following email from K&N Filters. I had put a link to K&N on the web page but their web page didn't give model specific information. I have now posted a copy of their response to my inquiry on the web along with the link to their web site. This is not an endorsement, just reporting info as I get it. ======================= ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Thompson, Neill From: KNCYCLE@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 15:11 Subject: Re: PC800 air filters There is a filter available for the PC 800. The part number is HA-8089. It is a direct stock airbox replacement filter. The retail price for it is $39.80. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. via smtpd (for mailrelay.data-io.com [139.138.100.89]) with SMTP; 4 Nov 1998 21:13:47 UT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Cotes, Steven" To: Pacific Coast Owners , "'Leland C. Sheppard'" Subject: RE: PC800: Gas tank capacity Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:15:22 -0800 Leland, REI and some other "outdoor" stores carry a quart size plastic fuel bottle from Nalgene. It is red and specifically Not for water or food. Costs about $9.00 and has the advantage over similar aluminum bottles in that it doesn't dent. - HTH - steve cotes - '96 PC - Near Seattle, WA > Hi Daniel, > > Daniel MacKay wrote: > > > PRG writes: > > nozzle on the gas pump icon. Check it out for yourself with an > extra liter > > of fuel in a Sigg fuel bottle in the trunk some time. > > That's about where my PC runs out too. > > What is a Sigg fuel bottle? I've been looking for something in about > a quart > size that I could occasionally carry gas in when on a trip. > > -- > Leland > '94 Pacific Coast > "Black Beauty" > 118,000 miles > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ROBJHALL@aol.com for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:36:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:36:38 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fwd: PC800: Duplicate messages? --part0_910215400_boundary In a message dated 11/4/98 12:55:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, rgross@facstaff.wisc.edu writes: << I try to reply to the sender alone if the contents are not of general interest >> I wish more people on the list would try this approach. Sometimes the amount of mail is overwhemling and most is uninspiring Rob Cary NC 89 PC w. 43000 & holding 96 PC w/ 585 & just warming up --part0_910215400_boundary Content-disposition: inline 12:55:07 1900 by rly-yc03.mail.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id MAA02735; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:55:12 -0500 (EST) sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25225 for id LAA29050 (8.8.6/50); Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:54:48 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:53:48 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Rich Gross Subject: Re: PC800: Duplicate messages? >Frequently I end up receiving two copies of the same message. The duplicates >are usually replies to a previous message. Is it just me getting these? Yes, we are a bit sloppy with that sort of thing. o I try to reply to the sender alone if the contents are not of general interest (e.g. 'Thanks for the tip.') Otherwise, I reply to the list alone, since the sender will then receive it anyway. o When I include a copy of the original message in my reply, I trim it to only the highly relevant parts so we are not reading entire copies of copies of copies... all the time. Actually, this list is lots better than many others I have seen. The actual content is so much more reasonable and - dare I say - mature that it is a pleasure, even with the duplicates. Lots of mutual respect and courtesy, so few flames. It's a nice reflection on who rides PC800s. Rich Madison, WI 1994 PC800: "Jetson" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. --part0_910215400_boundary-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rthomass@ccmail.com Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 13:49:29 -0800 To: Subject: Re[2]: PC800: Duplicate messages? Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" I have had quite a few replies on the subject of duplicate messages. It appears that I have been a bit too subtle in my original message. Among other responsibilities here, I am the email administrator. I know exactly how the duplicate messages come about. It happens due to carelessness in addressing replies. If you want to reply to the entire PC800 list, reply only to the address pc800@hpc.uh.edu. Don't include any other addresses. If you want to reply only to the individual, reply only to to the individual's email address and don't include the list address. Please do not reply to "all" or to "both". That is what sends the duplicate messages. For those that have a direct connection to the 'net the duplicates are annoying at best. For those that have to pay for their 'net connection and the phone call as well, they are a waste of connect time and telephone charges. It doesn't take but a moment to properly address your emails. Proper addressing is the considerate way to participate in a mailing list. Thanks for the cooperation in resolving this matter. Blue skies and fun rides, Roy T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tim J. Clevenger" To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Re[2]: PC800: Duplicate messages? Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:01:40 -0800 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hi Roy, Part of the problem is that most mailing list servers put the name of = the server in the "reply-to" portion of the e-mail. That way, when you = hit "reply," it replies to the whole list. When I first subscribed, I = had to get used to manually removing the originator's address and adding = the list's. =20 Regards, Tim Clevenger '98 PC800 ("Sweet 16") ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rthomass@ccmail.com[SMTP:rthomass@ccmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 1998 1:49 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: PC800: Duplicate messages? I have had quite a few replies on the subject of duplicate messages. It appears that I have been a bit too subtle in my original message. Among other responsibilities here, I am the email administrator. I = know exactly how the duplicate messages come about. It happens due to = carelessness in addressing replies. If you want to reply to the entire PC800 list, = reply only to the address pc800@hpc.uh.edu. Don't include any other = addresses. If you want to reply only to the individual, reply only to to the = individual's email address and don't include the list address. Please do not reply = to "all" or to "both". That is what sends the duplicate messages. For those that have a direct connection to the 'net the duplicates are = annoying at best. For those that have to pay for their 'net connection and the = phone call as well, they are a waste of connect time and telephone charges. = It doesn't take but a moment to properly address your emails. Proper = addressing is the considerate way to participate in a mailing list. Thanks for the cooperation in resolving this matter. Blue skies and fun rides, Roy T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 17:06:47 EST To: WMartin@uic.edu Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: PC800: Chicago: The Art of the Motorcycle Hi Wayne, Well, the idea was to have a bit of a poker type party at my place on Friday. (2935 W. Logan ( Fullerton, Milwaukee 2600N, 2900W) However, you have been the only one to respond so..... I have a ticket for the Ride on Sat. AM. I will probably try to leave here about 6:45AM. That should get us there by 7:15AM. The info I have says the ride Officailly Starts at 8AM. However, they want 30 minutes to organize everyone and shut down Lakeshore Drive. Let me know if you want to come over. Where are you? Anyone else want to come along????? 773-235-0933 TZ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rthomass@ccmail.com Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 14:56:43 -0800 To: Subject: PC800: SF Bay Area PC800 ride 11/14/98 Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" Hi all, If you would like to participate in the ride that Eric Prior and I are organizing please RSVP. I have a total of five people that have already expressed interest. One of them can go only if we switch to Sunday 11/15. I'll finalize the details and send out the info on Friday to those that are planning to join us. The short description of the ride is that we'll meet in San Jose for breakfast, then ride down Hwy. 25 through Hollister and on to Paso Robles. We'll eat lunch in Paso Robles or Templeton, take a quick ride through West Paso Robles, then superslab it back up 101 to the Bay Area. Plan on six to seven hours of riding time. As a point of reference, I have driven from Paso Robles to San Jose in 2 1/2 hours. I was driving at a steady 70-80 mph and did not stop at all. We should plan to be on the road no later than 8:30am to complete the ride as planned. If the consensus is to make the ride a bit shorter, I am open to that possibility. Check out the web page at http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/roadinfo/ for maps and other road information. Blue Skies and fun rides, Roy T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 19:00:51 -0500 From: Joe Beresford To: HSTA List , pc 800 list Subject: PC800: cold ride live update Live update from Fireman Joe, last seen west memphis moments ago, heading for Little Rock It sure is chilly out here, Daryl has a big grin, and my toes are cold! Hoping to find a hotel between Memphis and Little Rock Keep your eyes open!!!!! SEE YA!!! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: Canadian PC '89 brochure Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 02:09:56 +0100 For those interested in looking at PC trivia, I just got myself a scanner and am fiddeling around with it. Thought it would be nice to put that Canadian '89 folder I have on my site. If anybody would like to see a enlarged or higher resolution picture of the folder, let me know and I'll link some enlargements to the pictures so you can read the small print also. Cool to see that the '89 had 12 months warranty according to the folder's last page. This is the link: http://www.cybercomm.nl/~emile/pc89fold.html Expect a lot more pictures soon now I finally have all the hardware. Enjoy, ___ [_ mile Nossin, '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Kingdom of the Netherlands, Santpoort "Parking tickets exist by the grace of windshield whipers." http://www.cybercomm.nl/~emile ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tosh Konya" To: "Emile Nossin" , "PC800" Subject: PC800: Preignition vs Detonation Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 20:05:54 -0500 > I don't believe you can't get any better horsepower or mileage if the > gas ignites quicker. Maximum efficiency is achieved when the engine is using all the fuel consumed and converts that to heat energy at just the right time in relation to piston/crankshaft position. It isn't directly related to "gas ignites quicker." > The timing of ignition..is usually a little before the piston reaches > its 'highest' (?) point. The word you search for is "Top Dead Center (TDC)." > ...assuming burning rate is quicker, which I think it isn't. As far as I know, the "flame front" moves away from the spark at a fixed speed and I don't think is affected by octane numbers. This is why the ignition timing (firing point in degrees before TDC) must be advanced as the RPM rises. If timing remained fixed the engine would have very limited RPM capability, much like a lawnmower engine. The flame front speed makes it more difficult to get top efficiency from a single cylinder 500 versus a four cylinder 500. Generally speaking a modern 500 has a piston diameter of 95-105 mm which is a long distance for the flame front to travel. Igniting the fuel earlier (advanced timing) is one way of ensuring more complete burn but after a certain number of crank degrees, too much ignition advance becomes a "rev limiter." It's much easier to use multiple pistons. The design of the cylinder head's combustion chamber and intake/exhaust efficiency has more of an effect than mere octane numbers. I've also found that combustion chamber design and camshaft duration has more bearing on octane requirement than a static compression ratio (i.e. 12-to-1). Sorry to be so long winded. For years the fuel companies "brain washed" people into thinking that Premium fuel made ANY car/bike run better. As you found in Holland, using premium fuel in a PC800 will only make it run better because your wallet becomes significantly lighter at each fuel stop! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: Super helmet Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 02:29:02 +0100 Any of you interested in seeing a really cool helmet built for the serious die-hard (me !), click here: http://www.cybercomm.nl/~emile/lazer.html This helmet has a flip-up chin guard, double lens against fogging, drop-down fighter-helmet like sunvisor, airfilter, can be opened using one hand, is built from a material that will last forever and has a removable liner. The liner can be washed easy but is also available in different thicknesses to custom fit it to every head. In Europe it will be available as a motorcycle helmet via Lazer, in the US and Canada as a snowmobile helmet available via Bombardier. Enjoy, ___ [_ mile Nossin, '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Kingdom of the Netherlands, Santpoort "Parking tickets exist by the grace of windshield whipers." http://www.cybercomm.nl/~emile ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: Re: Preignition vs Detonation Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 02:35:35 +0100 -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Tosh Konya >travel. Igniting the fuel earlier (advanced timing) is one way >of ensuring more complete burn but after a certain number >of crank degrees, too much ignition advance becomes a >"rev limiter." It's much easier to use multiple pistons. > Don't forget the PC's "twin spark". Completer burn and helps against detonation after the mixture ignites. ___ [_ mile Nossin, '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Kingdom of the Netherlands, Santpoort "Parking tickets exist by the grace of windshield whipers." http://www.cybercomm.nl/~emile ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 16:43:04 -0900 From: jgoula To: PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: Super helmet Emile Nossin wrote: > > Any of you interested in seeing a really cool helmet built > for the serious die-hard (me !), click here: Yessss! That's my helmet! And it works, too! Somewhat noisy, so you might want to consider earplugs. I bought it on sale for US $305.00 We are still waiting for Crystal's. -- Juan Fairbanks, Alaska Lat.: 64.847°N, Long.: 147.717°W Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure. Aldous Huxley --------------------------------------------------------- School of Fisheries and Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks (907)474-5520 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 22:24:34 -0600 From: Steve Wilson To: Emile Nossin CC: PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: Pre ignition / Detonation <> That is OK. I know just enough to usually get me in trouble.:-) -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 22:26:37 -0600 From: Steve Wilson To: Emile Nossin CC: PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: Gas/Petrol brand Did the test only compare brands or did it also compare octane ratings? -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 02:29:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 02:29:32 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: European Gas Prices: In a message dated 11/4/98 1:08:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, Peter_N1@verifone.com writes: << Hmmmmm...... If these price conversions are correct, it would seem that gas prices are NOT artifically lower in the U.S., and that a lot of Europe is not paying excessivly higher prices for gas (petrol) either. >> Well, these are US Dollar prices/liter. Multiply the price per liter (averages about $1.00) by just under 4 to get the price/US gallon. Just under $4.00... Regards, <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 23:57:35 -0500 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: RVPC800@aol.com, Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Electric gloves/vest Hi Russ, RVPC800@aol.com wrote: > While it is indeed true that the Widder electric gloves are not waterproof, > all you gotta do is what was recommended to me- simply slip on a pair or > rubber gloves on over them! I bought some 3x rubber gloves at a janitorial > supply and keep them with me whenever that I am wearing my heated gloves. They > are snug, but they will fit over. Then, if I get caught in the rain, my hands > stay warm AND dry. I bought some over-mittens from Motoport for the same purpose. They are barely large enough to get them on over the Widders which are BIG gloves. Do the rubber gloves you bought go on easily over the Widders? -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 118,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 00:00:45 -0500 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Rich Gross , Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Gas tank capacity Hi Rich, Rich Gross wrote: > >Sure. I keep records in a spread sheet and in order to calculate the > >number of > >miles per tank average, I need the number of tanks. It's just a byproduct > >of the > >calculations I'm trying to keep. > > Awesome. Great resource for the rest of us! I already have my maintenance records on the database. If anyone wants to see the mileage records, I can export the data from QuattroPro into a text file (that's how I got the maintenance records uploaded) and attach them to an e-mail. Let me know if someone is curious... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 118,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 00:03:27 -0500 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: TClevenger@paypros.com, Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Big Butt ST vs. PC Hi Tim, Tim J. Clevenger wrote: > I think it depends on the helmet. Some helmets are wider/longer than others. My Bieffe helmet fits in the trunk of my PC, but I have to get it in there "just right." I think it depends on the helmet size more than anything. I have a large head (no smart comments please - grin) so both my open face Bell and my full-coverage Shoei will "barely" fit; i.e., they have to be set in just right. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 118,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 00:06:47 -0500 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: rthomass@ccmail.com, Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Duplicate messages? Hi Roy, rthomass@ccmail.com wrote: > Frequently I end up receiving two copies of the same message. The duplicates > are usually replies to a previous message. Is it just me getting these? No. Anytime the message is addressed to a person and to the list, that person will get two copies. You should see two copies of this message, for example. -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 118,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 08:16:52 EST To: lcshepp@directcon.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Electric gloves/vest In a message dated 11/5/98 2:32:51 AM Central Standard Time, lcshepp@directcon.net writes: << Do the rubber gloves you bought go on easily over the Widders? -- >> Hey Leland. The gloves are a heavy rubber made for high temps and/or harsh chemicals. They are designed to be worn over other gloves, so getting a pair in 3x made it possible to get them over my Widders. It is a bit of a tug, but they go on. I have had the same rubber gloves for three years now so I guess that they are durable enough. Russ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. id 5040300022264133; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 09:02:27 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Doug Wilkerson To: Subject: PC800: Hello PC world Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 09:02:27 -0500 Hello PC riders! I bought my first motorcycle last Friday (well, unless you count the Honda Express I got for Christmas eons ago). After some research, I settled on a '98 PC800. I went in with the intention of buying a Honda, but I was intent on buying a classically styled motorcycle. I didn't like anything Honda had to offer (the Shadow? c'mon . . if I wanted a Harley I'd get one). The dealer pointed out the PC, but I must admit I was a bit put off. Kawasaki has some of the nicest looking classic street bikes, but I wanted a Honda, darnit! However, the PC was something I couldn't pass up. It's a stylish bike, but I wish the tail-end was a little less scooter-ish (I've seen some pictures with a wing that add a nice touch, though). However, it was the storage and the comfort aspect of it that began to look more and more appealing. Along with the GREAT price. Anyway, I just wanted to say hello to find out if there were any PC owners listening within earshot of the Tuscaloosa, Alabama area. Doug Wilkerson Advisory I/T Specialist, IBM Global Embedded & Production Solutions Internal: 799-7522 IBMUSM24/DWILKERS External: 205-972-7522 dwilkers@us.ibm.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Thu, 5 Nov 1998 09:07:31 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jim Alexander" To: "Pacific Coast Owners" Subject: Re: PC800: Electric gloves/vest Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 05:49:36 -0800 The only ones I found to fit were just too large for my satisfaction. The gloves themselves are more bulky than regular weatherproof gloves you would wear to stay warm, then when you add the over gloves, it seems like you have drastically increased the size of your hand. I was not comfortable being able to operate the brake and clutch properly when I had the outer gloves on. In the interest of safety, I choose my more traditional weatherproof gloves. They weren't as warm, but I knew in the worse conditions I was riding it, it was a safer option. In the absence of rain, I would always use the Widder, they did work very well. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Leland C. Sheppard {snip} >I bought some over-mittens from Motoport for the same purpose. They are barely >large enough to get them on over the Widders which are BIG gloves. > >Do the rubber gloves you bought go on easily over the Widders? > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 09:40:21 -0400 To: "Pacific Coast Owners" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Electric gloves/vest At 5:49 AM -0800 11/5/98, Jim Alexander wrote: >The only ones I found to fit were just too large for my satisfaction. The >gloves themselves are more bulky than regular weatherproof gloves you would >wear to stay warm, then when you add the over gloves, it seems like you have >drastically increased the size of your hand. I was not comfortable being >able to operate the brake and clutch properly when I had the outer gloves >on. In the interest of safety, I choose my more traditional weatherproof >gloves. They weren't as warm, but I knew in the worse conditions I was >riding it, it was a safer option. In the absence of rain, I would always >use the Widder, they did work very well. > > Very good advice. I know guys who have these huge warm gloves, but couldn't operate the levers in an emergency. I know that heated gloves are warm, but you have to shop around to get a nice pair that have the heated palms also. I went the other way. I installed a pair of Kimpex Grip heater elements. They sell for less than $20, and they provide a greta deal of heat. You have to install them with the provided thermostat, or else it gets to hot. These are not heated grips, just a self adhesive element that is paper thin. You remove your grips, peel and stick these around the bar, and re-install your grips. I wired mine into the same digital thermostat I already had for my electric vest. Now, I can wear regular weight gloves on all but the coldest days, and if it starts to rain, I can slip on a pair of XXlarge dish gloves with Neoprene. These offer me a much better tactile feel on the controls since they are so thin, and the heated grips keep my hands warm. For really cold days, I have a pair of lightly insulated gloves that work well with the heated grips. Be careful when you are shopping for winter riding gloves. They feel nice in the store, but make sure you still have full control of all the buttons, switches, levers, etc while you drive. Ride safe. fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 09:59:39 -0400 To: Doug Wilkerson From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Hello PC world Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Welcome to the list Doug. It's a great resource for anything you've ever wanted to know about your PC800, and maybe even a few things you don't want to know! I'm sure you will have alot of questions that we will be more than happy to answer. Also, the list messages of the past are archived. Check out the PC800 web page (address at bottom of this list) and you can link to the archives and a search engine. In the archives you can probably find the answer to most of your questions. When I first joined this list, I downloaded 2 months of the archive and browsed through the messages. It was a good learning experience, and provided me with a bunch of answers to things I was thinking about. (backrest...windshields....tires...range on a gas tank....etc.) Take care...and welcome to the list! By the way, I'm not near Alabama, but I wish I was. We had a few snow flurries yestarday!! bye for now...and ride safe... fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. id KAA30608 (8.8.6/50); Thu, 5 Nov 1998 10:01:25 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 10:00:24 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Rich Gross Subject: PC800: Backrest Hi. Anyone have a source for the Honda passenger backrest for the PC800? My dealer says they are on back order through November. Cost is around $140 plus installation. Part number, on-line sources, and suggestions for alternatives (same price range-really did not want to add more storage a la GIVI) welcome. Thanks. Rich Madison, WI 1994 PC800: "Jetson" PS: Hope this isn't a harbinger of post-discontinuation parts problems for the PC... -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 11:12:20 -0500 Subject: Re: PC800: Hello PC world To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) dwilkers@us.ibm.com writes: >However, the PC was something I couldn't pass up. >Anyway, I just wanted to say hello to find out if there were any PC owners >listening within earshot of the Tuscaloosa, Alabama area. > >Doug Wilkerson > >Advisory I/T Specialist, IBM >Global Embedded & Production Solutions >Internal: 799-7522 IBMUSM24/DWILKERS >External: 205-972-7522 dwilkers@us.ibm.com Welcome Doug. I'm a bit north of Alabama, so you'll have to shout very loudly, but it's nice to have another Pacific Coast rider in the group. I'm sure you'll find someone here to answer each and every question you could possibly have about your new motorcycle. I think we all had the same reaction to the PC800 when we first saw it, and now wouldn't think of trading it. Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. id KAA29042 (8.8.6/50); Thu, 5 Nov 1998 10:55:22 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 10:54:23 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Rich Gross Subject: Re: PC800: Backrest > I was lucky enough to buy my PC used with Driver & passenger 'Utopia' >brand >backrests. They are wonderful. I just did a 6,000 mile 16 day trip and felt >great due to having back support. Looks like the Utopia passenger backrest (as opposed to the driver backrest) can only be mounted if you already have the Hondaline passenger backrest! Too bad - it looks like a nice upgrade. Rich Madison, WI 1994 PC800: "Jetson" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 12:00:02 -0500 From: Thomas Ongstad To: Rich Gross CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Backrest Rich Gross wrote: > PS: Hope this isn't a harbinger of post-discontinuation parts problems for > the PC... Rich, I had the trunk light and the front mud flap on order from the beginning of August to late September and it never came in. I finally just got my money back. Hope you have better luck, but it may be that Honda will not make any more accessories for the PC. TommyTeal -- 93SE (Teal, You Think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast 98V-Star Classic (Red, you bet) GWTA #6871 GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. id MAA34088 (8.8.6/50); Thu, 5 Nov 1998 12:10:36 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 12:09:37 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Rich Gross Subject: Re: PC800: Backrest Me: >> Looks like the Utopia passenger backrest (as opposed to the driver >> backrest) can only be mounted if you already have the Hondaline passenger >> backrest! Too bad - it looks like a nice upgrade. You: >This is not true. I have only the two Utopias. The passenger one firmly >attaches >around the seat under the lift handles. The driver one is hinged and is >cut up >from the under side and goes up with the rear seat when the trunk is lifted. >Check it out. Thanks, Bob. I double checked their Web site - they state: -------- NOTE! The passenger backrest shown was developed for the Pacific Coast owner that already has the Honda Line passenger backrest and either wanted it to match their new Utopia Driver Backrest or were just unhappy with the performance. Available as shown which is about 6" taller than the Honda Line or also available to mount above the Honda Line pad adding about 9 1/2" to height. Cost is same as for Utopia Driver Backrest, but you must have the Honda Line bracketry to mount our bracketry. Many wonder why we don't make to use without Honda Line. Answer is simply, the bracketry that Honda Line makes is very complicated. The volume of sales for this item, especially when Honda offers their backrest is not cost effective for us to develop. -------- I will give them a call. Sounds like a nice solution but the above statement seems to be either wrong or misleading. Or, I don't get it... Rich Madison, WI 1994 PC800: "Jetson" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 10:29:00 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Donna Estill" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: No 1999... Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 10:27:34 -0800 It is my understanding that the last time the PC was discontinued it was only discontinued in the US market. The PC was still made for 1991, 1992 and 1993 but not imported. Does anyone know if the PC has been completely discontinued or only for the US? Donna N7JSJ 1990PC Code Red Edmonds, WA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. id MAA34596 (8.8.6/50); Thu, 5 Nov 1998 12:53:13 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 12:52:13 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Rich Gross Subject: PC800: Utopia passenger backrest I phoned Utopia to clarify whether their passenger backrest can be installed without first using the Hondaline hardware. It can not. You must have the Hondaline backrest hardware in place before using the Utopia - it is essentially a replacement, not an original use part. Bob's must have had the original installed in the first place, or else someone far handier than I did some special hardware work on his/her own. Hope that clarifies. Rich Madison, WI 1994 PC800: "Jetson" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Rich Bumar" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Backrest Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 11:29:52 PST Rich Gross wrote: "Hi. Anyone have a source for the Honda passenger backrest for the PC800? My dealer says they are on back order through November. Cost is around $140 plus installation..." Rich, I have a Hondaline backrest that I removed when I got a Givi case. I have been trying to decide if I should sell or keep the backrest for several months now. (Your point about "post-discontinuation parts problems" is one of my main considerations.) I finally realized that I will probably always keep the Givi rack attached to the bike, so I guess I should sell the backrest. If you, or anyone else is interested, I'm asking $100 plus shipping for it. It's in great shape (it was on the bike for only about 6 months) and I have all the hardware and installation instructions. Rich Bumar 96 PC800T Orlando, FL ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BMillman@aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 14:29:19 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: GuntherSki@aol.com Subject: PC800: Comments on Deauville as requested GuntherSki asked me to send my comments on my short 6 week Deuaville ownership, and I can only say that I was very disappointed because it real= ly does look very smart, and does bear a slight resemblence to a PC. However = here is where the similiarity ends. You are right Gunther, it does vibrate and it is nowhere near as comfortab= le as the PC. The fairing is purely cosmetic and serves no purpose at all, other than to direct a blast of air right into your helmet. The mirrors are very small a= nd also vibrate. I only did 360 miles on it so it was still a bit tight, but I could tell t= hat it did not have the torque that the PC has and I would not look forward to= a long journey (or even a short one) My daughter took a ride with me, but only once, she said that it was nowhe= re near as comfortable as the PC, the handles were not in the right place and= it had no backrest so she did not feel very secure - just proves that pillion riders are spoilt on a PC! Luckily I had the metallic beige colour, because the other colours black a= nd brown do not look very nice in my opinion - and apparently others by the number unsold in dealer's stock! Overall, other than looking at it and really enjoying the superb Brembo disc brakes - three of them! - it was no= t a patch on a PC in my opinion, but at =A35500 new in UK - that's about $9000= - the PC is still a bargain in any country. By the way - there are a few new PC's on sale in UK. Prices vary from =A36= 000 to =A37500. Now convert that to $$ and you will see how expensive motorcyclin= g is in England. I shall be in Florida from the 14th. to 25th. November - any PC owners in = the Tampa Bay area?? I am staying on Treasure Island! Safe Riding Brian Millman Reading, England. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 15:21:26 -0400 To: "Donna Estill" , "PC800" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: No 1999... At 10:27 AM -0800 11/5/98, Donna Estill wrote: >It is my understanding that the last time the PC was discontinued it was >only discontinued in the US market. The PC was still made for 1991, 1992 >and 1993 but not imported. Does anyone know if the PC has been completely >discontinued or only for the US? > >Donna N7JSJ >1990PC Code Red >Edmonds, WA > Hi Donna. Based on the VIN numbers of the PC800's, there were no 91, 92 and 93 models made at all. They simply stopped manufacturing them after the 90 model year run was complete. It was re-introduced in 94, and manufactured until 98, but the PC800 was no longer being exported from Japan to Canada, only to the US. I'm not sure what European countries it was officially exported to, and which countries imported it through a grey market dealer. There are quite a few of them in certain European countries. Check out the Netherlands page and you will see photos of 50+ PC's all parked together. In most of those photos, the bikes are all 89 or 90 model years. From time to time you can spot a bike from a later model year. This leads me to believe that the PC was not officially exported to Europe when they re-introduced it in 1994. ride safe.... fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Subject: Re: PC800: Comments on Deauville as requested Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 20:55:43 -0000 Deauville is match for the PC800. PC800 is much much superior in every aspect. I asked my local Honda Dealer if he can source a PC800 for me. He tried to persuade me to buy the Deauville. I am glad I did not. I then imported the PC800 direct form the US and it cost me less than the Deauville. During 1996, there was an 'unofficial' dealer called Hesketh Imports who was importing and selling PC800 in Britain. Price? £8,900 = $15041 !!!! No wonder he is no longer in business... Job Sussex, England ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BMillman@aol.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: GuntherSki@aol.com Subject: PC800: Comments on Deauville as requested Date: Thursday, November 05, 1998 7:29 PM GuntherSki asked me to send my comments on my short 6 week Deuaville ownership, and I can only say that I was very disappointed because it really does look very smart, and does bear a slight resemblence to a PC. However here is where the similiarity ends. You are right Gunther, it does vibrate and it is nowhere near as comfortable as the PC. The fairing is purely cosmetic and serves no purpose at all, other than to direct a blast of air right into your helmet. The mirrors are very small and also vibrate. I only did 360 miles on it so it was still a bit tight, but I could tell that it did not have the torque that the PC has and I would not look forward to a long journey (or even a short one) My daughter took a ride with me, but only once, she said that it was nowhere near as comfortable as the PC, the handles were not in the right place and it had no backrest so she did not feel very secure - just proves that pillion riders are spoilt on a PC! Luckily I had the metallic beige colour, because the other colours black and brown do not look very nice in my opinion - and apparently others by the number unsold in dealer's stock! Overall, other than looking at it and really enjoying the superb Brembo disc brakes - three of them! - it was not a patch on a PC in my opinion, but at £5500 new in UK - that's about $9000 - the PC is still a bargain in any country. By the way - there are a few new PC's on sale in UK. Prices vary from £6000 to £7500. Now convert that to $$ and you will see how expensive motorcycling is in England. I shall be in Florida from the 14th. to 25th. November - any PC owners in the Tampa Bay area?? I am staying on Treasure Island! Safe Riding Brian Millman Reading, England. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ---------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Subject: PC800: Self Cancelling Indicators Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 20:39:45 -0000 Hi Doug, Self Cancelling Indicators was discontinued when the 1997 Model (the one with the small front fender) was introduced in July 1996. My PC800 is a 1997 model. So I don't have any experience with these. If your PC is a pre-1997 model, I am sure that one of the many 'veteren' PC800 Owners on the list can shed some light on the problem. Regards, Job Sussex, England ---------- > From: Doug Wilkerson > To: pcsg@mistral.co.uk > Subject: Re: PC800: Hello PC world > Date: Thursday, November 05, 1998 6:27 PM > > I do have a question for you: my blinkers don't seem to disengage > automatically after making a turn, but I read somewhere that they were supposed > to. Is this something that was discontinued, or am I perhaps not leaning > enough (I've got less than 300 miles on the odometer)? How could I test them? > > Doug Wilkerson > > Advisory I/T Specialist, IBM > Global Embedded & Production Solutions > Internal: 799-7522 IBMUSM24/DWILKERS > External: 205-972-7522 dwilkers@us.ibm.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rthomass@ccmail.com Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 14:02:33 -0800 To: Subject: Re: PC800: SF Bay Area PC800 ride 11/14/98 --910303404@inetmail1.ccmail.com Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" Hey Jim, I Tried to send this message to you privately, but the address bounces. Hi Jim, Your suggestion is something we were considering already. The short daylight hours mean that a ride of this length is likely to take us into the early evening. The good part of Hwy 25 ends at 198. 198 east is pretty nice, but then you end up in Coalinga in the central valley. Not too much fun once you get there. I drove the route on 10/16 and I am modifying the ride on the basis of input from others. Do you know of any good places for lunch in King City? Joel Kasof can't ride Saturday, only Sunday. Would a change to Sunday be an option? Roy T. ____________________Reply Separator____________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: SF Bay Area PC800 ride 11/14/98 Author: "Jim Alexander" Date: 11/4/98 11:29 PM Roy, I'd love to go, but to be on the road at 8:30am means getting to breakfast at 7:30am, which means getting away from Concord at about 6:30am ... of course this means getting up at 5:30am. Not a real problem for me, but I'll never get my wife up at that hour on a Saturday for a motorcycle ride. There is a possibility of making it a shorter day by not going all the way to Paso Robles. There is a road which heads over to Kings City from Highway 25 (I think it's 198). You actually get most of the best riding on 25 before you get to the road ... although there is some real nice straight stretches after that road. I wouldn't want to have the ride shortened for me, but it is just a suggestion. Thanks for putting it together. -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rthomass@ccmail.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wednesday, November 04, 1998 2:55 PM Subject: PC800: SF Bay Area PC800 ride 11/14/98 >Hi all, > >If you would like to participate in the ride that Eric Prior and I are >organizing please RSVP. > >I have a total of five people that have already expressed interest. One of them >can go only if we switch to Sunday 11/15. > >I'll finalize the details and send out the info on Friday to those that are >planning to join us. > >The short description of the ride is that we'll meet in San Jose for breakfast, >then ride down Hwy. 25 through Hollister and on to Paso Robles. We'll eat lunch >in Paso Robles or Templeton, take a quick ride through West Paso Robles, then >superslab it back up 101 to the Bay Area. Plan on six to seven hours of riding >time. > >As a point of reference, I have driven from Paso Robles to San Jose in 2 1/2 >hours. I was driving at a steady 70-80 mph and did not stop at all. We should >plan to be on the road no later than 8:30am to complete the ride as planned. If >the consensus is to make the ride a bit shorter, I am open to that possibility. >Check out the web page at > >http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/roadinfo/ > >for maps and other road information. > >Blue Skies and fun rides, > >Roy T. > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > --910285966@inetmail1.ccmail.com Link to SMTP R8.31.00.5) ; Wed, 04 Nov 1998 23:53:07 -0800 by blinky.ccmail.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA15401 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 23:50:42 -0800 (PST) Thu, 5 Nov 1998 02:48:35 -0500 [206.170.29.249]) by hil-img-ims-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.6) with SMTP id CAA24770 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 02:47:10 -0500 (EST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jim Alexander" To: Subject: Re: PC800: SF Bay Area PC800 ride 11/14/98 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 23:29:17 -0800 charset="iso-8859-1" --910285966@inetmail1.ccmail.com-- --910302567@inetmail1.ccmail.com Link to SMTP R8.31.00.5) ; Thu, 05 Nov 1998 09:13:20 -0800 by blinky.ccmail.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with internal id JAA27323; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 09:10:53 -0800 (PST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 09:10:53 -0800 (PST) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: boundary="JAA27323.910285853/blinky.ccmail.com" Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) --910302567@inetmail1.ccmail.com-- --910303404@inetmail1.ccmail.com ; Thu, 05 Nov 1998 13:50:04 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 13:47:57 -0800 (PST) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) --910303404@inetmail1.ccmail.com-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: PC800: FW: "riding cheap" Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 17:06:26 -0500 OK team, have at him... Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Mark Finney [SMTP:v4Finney@IQuest.net] Sent: Thursday, November 05, 1998 4:55 PM To: Honda Sport Touring Association Subject: Re: "riding cheap" >From: Tom "riding cheap" McKiernan; StlthHsta@aol.com >1. Though I have been happy with my J&M products, it is sad to see a poor >winner. The prices have gone balistic, they put a competitor out of business >and them drop out of the scene when they catch some flak. What good sports! Besides, their products fared pretty poorly in the MCN comparo. But then maybe MCN 'accidentally' selected a bottom-of-the-line model for inclusion in the tests. Rats! >2. I have also been happy with the 3 corbin seats that I have but the prices >have gone higher than John Glenn. I'm not interested in financing the ill >fated Sparow project or the fancy building in Daytona. I've had 4: 2 were comfortable, and one (ONE!!!) fit without modification. Such a deal. No more for me, thankyouverymuch. >Now about these Bettle >Bags, Goog luck!!! I wouldn't be caught dead with those things on my VTR or >VFR if I had one. I would rather use a surplus army duffle bag that to be seen >with those things drug induced/cad cam operating designers came up with. What >were they smoking??? Yeah, right. Lets mak ALL our bikes look like PC800's. [FLAME SUIT ON! ] >3. I switched my bike insurance to Progressive through the AMA program. You >are am AMA member aren't you???? The 907 is now classified as a high >performance bike,yeah right, so it went up $75. But the GoldWing, ST and >NightHawk S went WAAAYYYYY down. The coverage went WAAAAAYYYY up for $250 >less >per year. Are you really for this $524 per YEAR for all 4 bikes full >coverage, >100,000/300,000 year 'round riding with taking into concideration the limited >use in the winter in the Mid-west. I'm 40-something, single, no kids, for >what that's worth. Give 'em a call at 1-800-777-5175. It workrd for me. Of >course, YMMV, FYI, BTW ABC, XYZ. > Progressive wanted over a grand to insure my F3 all by itself. ...But then I'm not *quite* as age-enhanced as you are. Maybe I should give them another chance, now that I'm viewing life from the top of the hill. >4. I'm gonna be waiting for the good Senator from Ohio in my monkey suit. i >think that would be the worlds greatest gag. I surprised Finney didn't think >of that. > But Tom, I don't think we can get the Statue of Liberty buried up to her earlobes in time for his return. Can we bury you instead?? >Happy Motoring, Tom "riding cheap" McKiernan Seems we agree. Mark "at least my arms are long enough to reach my wallet" Finney ============ Mark Finney, PrintSource, Indianapolis '96 F3, HSTA#4446su ============ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tim J. Clevenger" To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: PC800: SF Bay Area PC800 ride 11/14/98 Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 14:14:54 -0800 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hi Roy, Sunday is out for me, because that's the last day of my MSF (rescheduled = from this Sunday.) However, you should currently operate under the = assumption that I can't make it anyway, since I'm only up to 245 miles, = and the rain will make this weekend less than fun for riding :-) Regards, Tim Clevenger '98 PC800 ("Sweet 16") ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rthomass@ccmail.com[SMTP:rthomass@ccmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 05, 1998 2:02 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: SF Bay Area PC800 ride 11/14/98 <> Your suggestion is something we were considering already. The short = daylight hours mean that a ride of this length is likely to take us into the = early evening. The good part of Hwy 25 ends at 198. 198 east is pretty nice, = but then you end up in Coalinga in the central valley. Not too much fun = once you get there. I drove the route on 10/16 and I am modifying the ride on = the basis of input from others. Do you know of any good places for lunch in King City? Joel Kasof can't ride Saturday, only Sunday. Would a change to Sunday = be an option? Roy T. =20 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 13:20:33 -0900 From: jgoula To: PC800 , HSTA Subject: PC800: Re: PC jokes Mark Finney wrote: ... > > Yeah, right. Lets mak ALL our bikes look like PC800's. [FLAME SUIT ON! > ] I think this deserves a calm, mature response, Sorry Mark, that's just not going to happen. You see, we've retained several scumbag lawyers (no, not you, or you, _real_ scumbag lawyers!) that have forced Corbin to produce such ,ummm... interesting looking bags so none of you crotch rocket pilots can have a bike as good looking as the PC, no matter how much money you spend. So there :-P~~~ thpppppt! Nyha nyha nyha! :-) -- Juan Fairbanks, Alaska Lat.: 64.847°N, Long.: 147.717°W Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure. Aldous Huxley --------------------------------------------------------- School of Fisheries and Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks (907)474-5520 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Subject: Fw: PC800: No 1999... Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 22:26:50 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Job Chithalan To: Donna Estill Subject: Re: PC800: No 1999... Date: Thursday, November 05, 1998 10:20 PM Hi Donna, When PC800 was originally introduced in 1989, it was mainly available in the US and Canada. Limited marketing took place in France (in a very nice Blue and Silver Metallic) and Austria (in a horrid Yellow and Black) 1989 PC800 (Pearl Pacific White / Ocean Grey Metallic) were made during February, March and April 1989. These were still available during '90, '91 and '92. PC800s (Candy Glory Red / Silver Metallic) sold during 1990, 1991, 1992 and 1993 were all in fact made during August and September 1989. 1994 PC800s (Black / Silver Metallic) were made in July '93. 1995 PC800s (Black / Silver Metallic) were made in July '94. 1996 PC800s (Magna Red / Karakorum Grey Metallic) were made during May and June 1995 1997 PC800s Small Fender (Magna Red / Karakorum Grey Metallic) were made during July and August 1996 1997 PC800s Small Fender (Magna Red / Karakorum Grey Metallic) were made during August 1997. As you can see PC800 never managed to keep a production line going. Stop and start production runs are expensive. Also considering the development and tooling costs of such a radical design, no wonder Honda has at last decided to cut their losses. Advertising and sales promotion was aimed at the 'yuppies' whose main interest was the 'image'. So they went and bought top of the range BMWs and HDs. By making the PC800 available primarily in the US and Canada they also severely limited the market; resulting in poor sales. Great Bikes... Poor Salesmen. :-( For colour pictures of various PC800 models visit http://www.dsv.nl/~pce/int-pc800-models.htm Job Sussex, England PS. Many thanks to all Listers who took part in the "PC800 Serial Numbers and Production Volume Survey", on which many details avove are based. Keep them coming folks! ---------- > > From: Donna Estill > > To: PC800 > > Subject: PC800: No 1999... > > Date: Thursday, November 05, 1998 6:27 PM > > > > It is my understanding that the last time the PC was discontinued it was > > only discontinued in the US market. The PC was still made for 1991, 1992 > > and 1993 but not imported. Does anyone know if the PC has been completely > > discontinued or only for the US? > > > > Donna N7JSJ > > 1990PC Code Red > > Edmonds, WA > > > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: CyVaquero@aol.com for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 18:01:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 18:01:03 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Backrest In a message dated 11/5/98 10:02:08 AM US Mountain Standard Time, gwta@voyager.net writes: << Rich Gross wrote: > PS: Hope this isn't a harbinger of post-discontinuation parts problems for > the PC... >> Just a heads up, it me about a month to get my Hondaline backrest. I ordered it in September and after two backorder delays I received it. Better late than never. CyVaquero '96 PC800 2 1/2 months, 3200k -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: No 1999... Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 00:05:05 +0100 >to time you can spot a bike from a later model year. This leads me to >believe that the PC was not officially exported to Europe when they >re-introduced it in 1994. >fsl > It was never officialy exported to Europe (except those French, Austrian and Italian models). It was imported grey in big numbers by a big Dutch motorcyle dealer network called Safe Motors. They imported hundreds (I think) of them untill '95. So you see the '89,'90,'94 and '95 models still circulating in the second hand market in Holland. It's a very popular used bike and still has about the same price it had when imported new to Holland. This action by Safe might be the reason there are as many Dutch PC sites as American : ). The PC is perfect for Holland. Full fairing and a tank capacity with which you can cross the entire country from west to east or vice versa in one time : )). Holland has something with light, full fairing tourers I think. Holland had the honour to sell the BMW K75RT and R850RT, in which it was / is one of the few countries (don't ask me about details). ___ [_ mile Nossin, '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Kingdom of the Netherlands, Santpoort "Parking tickets exist by the grace of windshield whipers." http://www.cybercomm.nl/~emile ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 18:44:54 -0500 From: Pat McNew To: Honda Pacific Coast Group Subject: Re: PC800: No 1999... Coasters, I was at Motions Honda in Marietta, GA Saturday and the salesman said he had been to two 1999 Honda shows and did not see or hear anything about a 1999 PC800. He also said that the ordering information for 99s from Honda did not list a PC800. On the other hand the PC is still on their web site, but it is a 1998. -- Pat McNew Snellville, GA 1996 PC800 - Ramblin' Rose 5500 (S)miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 18:48:46 -0500 From: Pat McNew To: PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: No 1999... Francois Saint Laurent wrote: > Based on the VIN numbers of the PC800's, there were no 91, 92 and 93 models > made at all. They simply stopped manufacturing them after the 90 model > year run was complete. It was re-introduced in 94, and manufactured until > 98, but the PC800 was no longer being exported from Japan to Canada, only > to the US. I'm not sure what European countries it was officially exported > to, and which countries imported it through a grey market dealer. I seem to recall talk on this list about a all silver model that was available only in Europe. What year was that one? -- Pat McNew Snellville, GA 1996 PC800 - Ramblin' Rose 5500 (S)miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 19:13:07 -0500 From: Pat McNew To: Honda Pacific Coast Group Subject: Re: PC800: Backrest Rich Gross wrote: > > Hi. Anyone have a source for the Honda passenger backrest for the PC800? My > dealer says they are on back order through November. Cost is around $140 > plus installation. > > Part number, on-line sources, and suggestions for alternatives (same price > range-really did not want to add more storage a la GIVI) welcome. Thanks. > > Rich > Madison, WI > 1994 PC800: "Jetson" Back in the Spring I reported my problems installing the Hondaline backrest. (See messages on Backrest Wrestle) When I ordered mine I took the part number off the Honda web site. Since then I have heard some guys saying that the 1997-1998 seat may be different. That may mean my backrest brackets were incorrect for my bike. No problem for me, though. I just used the "bigger hammer" method and made that sucker fit! You may want to check and make sure there isn't more than one part number. I'm sure the '89 is different since it is gray. Somebody tell us the straight skinny. -- Pat McNew Snellville, GA 1996 PC800 - Ramblin' Rose 5500 (S)miles P.S. I ordered mine though Waynesville (NC) Cycle. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Peter_N1@verifone.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Honda discontinuance of accessories Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 16:28:04 -0800 Coasters, It has been my personal experience that Honda is pretty good about discontinuing their accessories sooner than they discontinue replacement parts for the bikes themselves. It would appear that accessories don't fall under the normal legal requirement of providing service and replacement parts for 7 years after a product is discontinued (this being standard for doing business in the U.S., although I have heard that the time period can vary somewhat). There have been earlier discussions on this point in the archives. My advise is to attempt to purchase any accessory, or spares of any accessory that you deem to be needed while they are still available. My main concern is how long body panels will be available. These hopefully should fall under the "service and replacement parts" requirements, but the tall Honda windshield would not. I actually have a spare of both windshields, just incase. I have had good success with purchasing parts from Honda in the past (I restored an old Honda 70 for a friend a number of years after it was discontinued) but was not successful in purchasing any accessory after a bike has been discontinued. This experience could vary depending on finding a dealer who still has some accessory items on a dusty shelf somewhere, but the time and effort in locating these could be excessive. Fortunately I already have the mud flap, trunk light, passenger back rest, passenger scuff kit, Honda tall windshield, spare standard windshield and trunk carpet mats I made myself from a pattern made from the factory mats. Peter Noeth || KE6ZJA || SF Bay Area, CA || '96 w/ 9k and loving every minuite! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Gas/Petrol brand Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:38:46 +0100 >Did the test only compare brands or did it also compare octane >ratings? >Steve Wilson Ruston LA. > It compared different kind of brands primarely, but did explain a lot of benzine features, such as the octane numbers. For the brand test they took Euro-leadfree octane 95RON, since it is the most common used fuel. Comparing different kind of octane numbers wouldn't make sense since every engine requires different octane numbers. This is what they said about octane numbers (summarized): In Holland there are three kinds of benzine/petrol/gas: Euro-leadfree (95), Super-plus leadfree (98) and Super with lead replacement (98). Which to use is to look in the manual of the bike to see which fuel is suitable for your engine, especially the octanenumber (the explosion sensitivity). Never use a lower octane number than prescribed; it could damage your engine. Not directly, but in the long term. If you choose a fuel with higher octane number, it will not hurt. They also state that there are summer- and winterfuels. Summerfuel vaporises less quickly than winterfuel. They also explain that petrol is a very dirty substance and state which ingredients cause what kind of irritation to nose, eyes and mucous membranes. ___ [_ mile Nossin, '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Kingdom of the Netherlands, Santpoort "Parking tickets exist by the grace of windshield whipers." http://www.cybercomm.nl/~emile ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" , "Yetvart" , "Ronald" , "Rene Nossin" , "Peter van den Bichelaer" , "Patrick in Louisiana" , "Martijn Buter" , "Marco Reitsema" , "Maarten" , "Jan Gerritsen" , "Giuseppe" , "Gerard Diepeveen" , "Erik Baretta" , "Arjan Hiemstra" , "Arjan en Marjolijn" , "Doug" Subject: PC800: Fun with Harleys Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:45:07 +0100 One morning as St. Peter came up to the "Pearly Gates" he heard a loud commotion outside among the new arrivals. It seems that an old biker was chasing a younger man around, slapping him upside the head and yelling "WHEN YOU'RE STOPPED, STUPID, WHEN YOU'RE STOPPED!!!" Well 'ol St. Peter jumped in and demanded an explanation, and this is what he heard..... "Well sir," said the younger man, "I've ridden bikes all my life but I'd never owned a Harley, so when I got my new scoot I asked old Bill here to ride, with me, so I'd have an experienced Harley rider along in case something went wrong." We'd traveled about 60 miles when I realized that the bike didn't have a gas gauge. I shouted back to Bill, "How do you check the amount of gas in the tank?" Well Bill hollers back, "You take the gas cap off and rock the bike back an forth" >>Emile : ) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tosh Konya" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: Honda discontinuance of accessories Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 21:22:38 -0500 > It would appear that accessories don't fall under the normal legal > requirement of providing service and replacement parts for 7 years > after a product is discontinued (this being standard for doing > business in the U.S). Contrary to common belief there is NO such "7 year law for providing parts." I don't know how this fallacy ever got started. Some domestic auto manufacturers discontinue making parts after only 2-3 years, if a model really bombs in the market. Woe be the owner who loves that model and wants it to run forever. Accessory sales are difficult to forecast. Generally speaking I'd say that 1-2 years after the introduction of a new model, accessories made for that model would move so slowly as to make a 2nd or 3rd production run unprofitable. The "Wing Wong" is a success because some small company doesn't mind working with tiny numbers. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 22:24:42 -0400 To: PC800 From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: No 1999... At 6:48 PM -0500 11/5/98, Pat McNew wrote: >I seem to recall talk on this list about a all silver model that was >available only in Europe. What year was that one? > >-- >Pat McNew >Snellville, GA > I recall an all silver model as well. Wasn't it one of the list members from Hong Kong? I would really like to know if it was a stock color, and if so, what year was it. The same can be said for the blue model from France. fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Doug Wilkerson cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Hello PC world of "Thu, 05 Nov 1998 09:02:27 EST." <5040300022264133000002L032*@MHS> Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 21:18:45 -0600 Doug Wilkerson writes: > Anyway, I just wanted to say hello to find out if there were any PC owners > listening within earshot of the Tuscaloosa, Alabama area. Huntsville. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "Leland C. Sheppard" cc: rthomass@ccmail.com, Pacific Coast Owners From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Duplicate messages? of "Thu, 05 Nov 1998 00:06:47 EST." <36413267.A577C561@directcon.net> Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 21:16:56 -0600 "Leland C. Sheppard" writes: > Hi Roy, > > rthomass@ccmail.com wrote: > > > Frequently I end up receiving two copies of the same message. The duplicat > es > > are usually replies to a previous message. Is it just me getting these? > > No. Anytime the message is addressed to a person and to the list, that perso > n > will get two copies. You should see two copies of this message, for example. Windows. :-) Leland if you would please Edit -> Preferences -> Mail & Groups -> Messages, "Wrap long lines at _72_ characters" should give others some room to quote you. As for the duplicate messages there are some automatic solutions. I run FreeBSD as my OS. Exmh is my email client. In between MH is used to sort. Within MH is an option to delete duplicates based on the database of Message-id's. Tonight I noticed its about to hit 5M: n4hhe: {1005} ls -l .maildelivery.db -rw------- 1 dkelly dkelly 4984832 Nov 5 20:29 .maildelivery.db n4hhe: {1006} -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 20:54:05 -0800 From: Mark Ham To: pcsg@mistral.co.uk CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Self Cancelling Indicators Doug, I have a '96 PC800 with the self canceling indicators. They work almost like magic most of the time but sometimes they don't cancel by themselves (or at least they don't cancel quickly enough) and I cancel them manually. I have found that if you make a more pronounced turning movement, they cancel themselves more consistently and reliably. If your PC800 has self canceling indicators, it should become quite apparent to you because there is simply nothing more you have to do accept turn. Besides, as far as I know, there is no adjustment for the cancellation. Happy Riding Mark Sacramento, California > > I do have a question for you: my blinkers don't seem to disengage > > automatically after making a turn, but I read somewhere that they were > supposed > > to. Is this something that was discontinued, or am I perhaps not leaning > > enough (I've got less than 300 miles on the odometer)? How could I test > them? > > > > Doug Wilkerson > > > > Advisory I/T Specialist, IBM > > Global Embedded & Production Solutions > > Internal: 799-7522 IBMUSM24/DWILKERS > > External: 205-972-7522 dwilkers@us.ibm.com > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Roger Bowen" To: "pc800" Subject: PC800: Was it real or was it the PC800? Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 21:07:51 -0800 Let me set the stage for you. I had been out for a (brisk) morning ride to the Applegate Reservoir and stopped at a restaurant in the nearby town of Ruch, OR for a late breakfast. Upon leaving the restaurant and gearing up for the ride home, a very nice little old lady approached and said something to me. Being somewhat hard-of-hearing, I said "Wait a moment while I put in my ear plugs (i.e., hearing aids)." At that point she grabbed me and gave me a big hug and then walked away. I was very surprised, touched, and very curious as to what she had originally said. It had to be something about my shiny PC. P.S. Unfortunately, she wasn't Sophia Loren :-(( , but it was sure nice anyway ;-)) Roger Bowen (alias Don Wan) PC800 Grants Pass, Oregon -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 00:48:19 -0400 To: "Roger Bowen" , "pc800" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Was it real or was it the PC800? At 9:07 PM -0800 11/5/98, Roger Bowen wrote: " At that point she grabbed me and gave >me a big hug and then walked away. I was very surprised, touched, and very >curious as to what she had originally said. >It had to be something about my shiny PC. > > >Roger Bowen (alias Don Wan) PC800 >Grants Pass, Oregon > Great story Roger! I also would love to know what she said to you! It reminded me of an incident this summer when I was out running a few errands, and I stopped at the bank. I pulled into the parking lot, a little on the quick side, and sharply pulled into a spot. As I got off the PC with my Aerostich and my black helmet with black visor, I glanced over at this small Geo Metro parked next to me and there were 3 stereotypical "little old ladies" waiting for the driver to return. I realized that dressed this way, with all of my 220 pounds and 74 inches, I might actually have startled them, and I was feeling a bit bad about it. All 3 were staring at me. I took off my helmet and put it in the trunk. When I looked over at them, they had lowered the window and they all yelled out "Nice bike". Needless to say, I was stunned. Well...it's like they say.....You meet the nicest people on a Honda. (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "HPCE Gerard" To: "Emile Nossin" , "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: No 1999... Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 07:57:12 +0100 > This action by Safe might be the reason there are as many Dutch PC sites > as American : ). > > The PC is perfect for Holland. Full fairing and a tank capacity with > which you can cross the entire country from west to east or vice versa > in one time : )). Holland has something with light, full fairing tourers I think. > Holland had the honour to sell the BMW K75RT and R850RT, in which it > was / is one of the few countries (don't ask me about details). I like to ad that in Holland there are approx. 1100 PC800s. That makes Holland the largest European country where PCs are riding. I know also that there are '91 and '92 models riding over here, most are red and some are white, I know because I have seen them. It sure would be interested to know how much PC800s there are worldwide, you know me I like to gether as much info on the PC as possible. Have a great weekend. Gerard -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Subject: Re: PC800: No 1999... Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:01:23 -0000 1100 PC800s in Holland! Wow! Looks like the 'unofficial' importer did a good job marketing the PC800s in Holland. PC800 is very suitable for many other Europen Countries too. It is probably because of the very high intial price that it was not officially imported. During 1996, in the UK, there was an 'unofficial' dealer called Hesketh Imports who was importing and selling PC800 in Britain. Price? £8,900 = $15041 !!!! No wonder he is no longer in business... 1989 model year serial numbers range from 15 to 3896, with the CA models in the range from 31 to 734. 1990 ranges from 1 to 2558, and the CA models from 4 to 483. Insufficient data available on 1994 models and later. If more Listers respond to my "PC800 Serial Numbers and Production Volume Survey" we will have more facts. Job Sussex, England ---------- > From: HPCE Gerard > To: Emile Nossin ; PC800 > Subject: Re: PC800: No 1999... > Date: Friday, November 06, 1998 6:57 AM > > I like to ad that in Holland there are approx. 1100 PC800s. > That makes Holland the largest European country where PCs are riding. > I know also that there are '91 and '92 models riding over here, most are > red and some are white, I know because > I have seen them. > > It sure would be interested to know how much PC800s there are worldwide, > you know me I like to gether as much info on the PC as possible. > > Have a great weekend. > > Gerard > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 06:34:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 06:34:06 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Honda discontinuance of accessories In a message dated 11/5/98 9:32:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, ttk@erinet.com writes: << Contrary to common belief there is NO such "7 year law for providing parts." I don't know how this fallacy ever got started. Some domestic auto manufacturers discontinue making parts after only 2-3 years, if a model really bombs in the market. Woe be the owner who loves that model and wants it to run forever. >> Interesting... What's your basis for saying there is none? Have you checked out all the CFRs promulgated by the FTC? Just curious... Regards, <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Imapcrider@aol.com for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 07:51:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 07:51:59 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: I"m baaaaack! at least for a week or so Hi group. It went and turned cold on me on my last ride. I packed a snowmobile suit with me before I left Houston and wondering at the time why I was bothering to bring it. In short, glad I did! Stopped a couple of days in Rocky Mount Va. and the weather took a dive on me. I guess that I am never quite ready for the onslaught of cold weather. Lucky no rain this trip. I managed to skirt a few places that was getting some. After the obligatory ride through Deal Gap I met a couple of Wingers that told me to try out a section of road up there called the Cherohala Skyway. I did at it was great. Beautiful road with beautiful views. It is a must see for anyone riding that way. Fall colors did not hurt anything either. It is 50 miles of God's best work. I have a few things to catch up on so I will make this one on the short side. The main goal of this ride was not to come home until the PC turned 160,000 mi, which it did at Conroe TX, just outside of Houston a bit. Now, just 21 thou more, and I will have put more miles on this bike than any other before. With less work I might add! David Little '94 PC800 160,145mi. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 08:20:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 08:20:38 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Self Cancelling Indicators Mark writes: << Besides, as far as I know, there is no adjustment for the cancellation. >> That's correct, Mark; there's no adjustment of the self-cancel mechanism, and I can find no specification regarding how many degrees the steering stem must rotate to initiate the cancel sequence. The steering-angle sensor is only used in the 1 to 67 kph (~42 mph) speed range, and it appears to be designed to work for fairly sharp turns such as at urban intersections where the steering angle changes appreciably. For gradual turns when the speed is near the high end of the range, like merge lanes, the steering-angle change is quite small. In these situations, the self-cancel criteria may not be met, and a manual cancel will be necessary. J. T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. id 5040300022322326; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 08:33:15 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Doug Wilkerson To: Subject: Re: PC800: Honda discontinuance of accessories Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 08:33:15 -0500 The discontinuation of the PC is very disconcerting to me--so much so that I regret purchasing the motorcycle (I didn't think to ask the dealer about obsolescence). If I owned an '89 model, it wouldn't be so bad because I'd have been driving it for almost ten years already. However, it is conceivable that I won't be able to drive my new '98 for its useful life (or--the horror--the length of my finance term) because of parts availability. Obviously these things are good for at least 10 years (or I wouldn't see people boasting of having 120K miles on their '89s), but I doubt seriously I'll get Does anyone know what Honda's policy is on this matter? I would think that Honda would stand behind its products for a reasonable amount of time, especially since people who buy even unpopular models will likely buy another if they're happy with the manufacturer. What type of replacement parts are typically needed? Does the PC share engines with another, more popular Honda? Doug Wilkerson Advisory I/T Specialist, IBM Global Embedded & Production Solutions Internal: 799-7522 IBMUSM24/DWILKERS External: 205-972-7522 dwilkers@us.ibm.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 08:55:29 -0500 From: Thomas Ongstad To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Self Cancelling Indicators JTSMCRIDER@aol.com wrote: > > Mark writes: > > << Besides, as far as I know, there is no adjustment for the cancellation. >> > > That's correct, Mark; there's no adjustment of the self-cancel mechanism, and > I can find no specification regarding how many degrees the steering stem must > rotate to initiate the cancel sequence. The steering-angle sensor is only > used in the 1 to 67 kph (~42 mph) speed range, and it appears to be designed > to work for fairly sharp turns such as at urban intersections where the > steering angle changes appreciably. For gradual turns when the speed is near > the high end of the range, like merge lanes, the steering-angle change is > quite small. In these situations, the self-cancel criteria may not be met, > and a manual cancel will be necessary. Is there no timer or distance measure that also causes the signals to cancel? Seems strange to me that if the Wing has this the PC doesn't. Strange because Honda had already developed it for the Wing and seems it would have been easier or cheaper to just stick it also on the PC instead of coming up with a new one. Hmmmm. TommyTeal -- 93SE (Teal, You Think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast 98V-Star Classic (Red, you bet) GWTA #6871 GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 08:54:24 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Betty Lise Anderson Subject: Re: PC800: Honda discontinuance of accessories Doug Wilkerson fretted: >The discontinuation of the PC is very disconcerting to me--so much so that I >regret purchasing the motorcycle (I didn't think to ask the dealer about >obsolescence). If I owned an '89 model, it wouldn't be so bad because I'd >have >been driving it for almost ten years already. However, it is conceivable that >I won't be able to drive my new '98 for its useful life (or--the horror--the >length of my finance term) because of parts availability. Obviously these >things are good for at least 10 years (or I wouldn't see people boasting of >having 120K miles on their '89s), but I doubt seriously I'll get Let me reassure you. I heard that Mr. Honda's philosphy is to keep parts around for everything forever. I believe you can still gets parts for any motorcycle Honda has ever built. Even though Mr. Honda has passed away, I would be seriously shocked to find we couldn't gets parts, including plastic, for many, many years to come. This worries me not one little bit. I say, enjoy your bike! Betty Lise Anderson '90 PC, new to me this year 6100 miles, 2500 of my very own Just got my Wong Wing in the mail, eat your hearts out! It's gorgeous! Perfect, perfect match for Candy Glory Red. Nyah, nyah, na boo boo. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 09:05:33 -0400 To: "HPCE Gerard" , "Emile Nossin" , "PC800" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: No 1999... At 7:57 AM +0100 11/6/98, HPCE Gerard wrote: >I like to ad that in Holland there are approx. 1100 PC800s. >That makes Holland the largest European country where PCs are riding. >I know also that there are '91 and '92 models riding over here, most are >red and some are white, I know because >I have seen them. > Hi Gerard. If you ever see one of these 91 or 92 bikes, please look at the Manufacturers Label on the frame on the front ride side of the steering head. I would love to know the serial number of that model year. Based on the serial numbers, and the definition of each of the 3 sections of the VIN, it's hard to see how they could have made a 91, 92, or 93 model year. Curious in Canada.... fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com via smtpd (for Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) with SMTP; 6 Nov 1998 14:19:12 UT To: v4Finney@IQuest.net cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 08:02:58 -0600 Subject: Re: PC800: FW: "riding cheap" >Now about these Bettle >Bags, Goog luck!!! I wouldn't be caught dead with those things on my VTR or >VFR if I had one. I would rather use a surplus army duffle bag that to be seen >with those things drug induced/cad cam operating designers came up with. What >were they smoking??? Yeah, right. Lets mak ALL our bikes look like PC800's. [FLAME SUIT ON! ] So about that Flame suit on comment... here you go... (use a courier font) Besides we don't need another Harley thing going here with everybody copying OUR design. :-) ) ( ( ( ( ) () @@ ) (( ( ( ( )( @@ ( )) ) ( ( ( ( ()( /---\ (()( ( _______ ) ) )(@ !O O! )@@ ( ) ) ) < ____) ) ( ( )( ()@ \ o / (@@@@@ ( ()( ) /--| |( o| ( ) ) ((@@(@@ !o! @@@@(@@@@@)() ( | > \___| ) ( @)@@)@ /---\-/---\ )@@@@@()( ) | /---------+ (@@@@)@@@( // /-----\ \\ @@@)@@@@@( . | | \ =========______/|@@@@@@@@@@@@@(@@@ // @ /---\ @ \\ @(@@@(@@@ . . | \ \\=========------\|@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ O @@@ /-\ @@@ O @@(@@)@@ @ . | \ \----+--\-))) @@@@@@@@@@ !! @@@@ % @@@@ !! @@)@@@ .. . | |\______|_)))/ . @@@@@@ !! @@ /---\ @@ !! @@(@@@ @ . . \__========== * . @@ /MM /\O O/\ MM\ @@@@@@@. . | |-\ \ ( . @ !!! !! \-/ !! !!! @@@@@ . | | \ \ ) . . @@@@ !! !! .(. @. .. . | | \ \ ( / .( . \)). ( |O )( O! @@@@ . ) . | | / / ) ( )). (( .) !! ((( !! @@ (. ((. . . | | / / () )) )) .( ( ( ) ). ( !! )( !! ) (( )) .. | |_< / ( ) ( ( ) ) (( ) )).) ((/ | ( | \( )) ((. ). ____<_____\\__\__(___)_))_((_(____))__(_(___.oooO_____Oooo.(_(_)_)((_ Later Roger Chaska, MN -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. id IAA41694 (8.8.6/50); Fri, 6 Nov 1998 08:14:50 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 08:13:50 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Rich Gross Subject: PC800: Self Cancelling Indicators >Doug, > >I have a '96 PC800 with the self canceling indicators. They work almost like >magic most of the time but sometimes they don't cancel by themselves (or at >least they don't cancel quickly enough) and I cancel them manually. For me, it is even more troublesome when they cancel too soon. Typically, this happens when I signal early for a turn, veer a little as I approach the turn (say, to avoid road surface problem or adjust lane position), then realize as I begin to lean into the turn that the signal has cancelled. It is sometimes unsafe to try to re-signal at that moment. Overall, though, it is a mildly convenient feature which I would not miss if absent. Rich Madison, WI 1994 PC800: "Jetson" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 09:17:24 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Self Cancelling Indicators At 8:20 AM -0500 11/6/98, JTSMCRIDER@aol.com wrote: >Mark writes: > ><< Besides, as far as I know, there is no adjustment for the cancellation. >> > >That's correct, Mark; there's no adjustment of the self-cancel mechanism, and >I can find no specification regarding how many degrees the steering stem must >rotate to initiate the cancel sequence. The steering-angle sensor is only >used in the 1 to 67 kph (~42 mph) speed range, and it appears to be designed >to work for fairly sharp turns such as at urban intersections where the >steering angle changes appreciably. For gradual turns when the speed is near >the high end of the range, like merge lanes, the steering-angle change is >quite small. In these situations, the self-cancel criteria may not be met, >and a manual cancel will be necessary. > >J. T. The signals should still self cancel while doing lane changes, highway merges, etc., even if the steering stem angle does not change at all. If your speed is over a certain threshold, the system cancels the turn signals based on distance travelled or time. I have found that my turn signals stayed on longer than I would have normally used them for, but after a bit of self-review I realized that I do not use them properly. I started turning them on a bit sooner, to properly 'indicate' my intention to lane change, and then after the proper shoulder check and lane change manoeuver, the signals cancelled themselves. ride safe fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Fri, 6 Nov 1998 09:19:34 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jim Alexander" To: "Francois Saint Laurent" , "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: No 1999... Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 06:20:09 -0800 For what its worth, Check out the layout of models from the Pacific Coast Europe Web site at: http://www.dsv.nl/~pce/int-pc800-models.htm It is a good layout, and fun to see the other colors that people have painted them. -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Francois Saint Laurent To: HPCE Gerard ; Emile Nossin ; PC800 Date: Friday, November 06, 1998 6:05 AM Subject: Re: PC800: No 1999... >At 7:57 AM +0100 11/6/98, HPCE Gerard wrote: > >>I like to ad that in Holland there are approx. 1100 PC800s. >>That makes Holland the largest European country where PCs are riding. >>I know also that there are '91 and '92 models riding over here, most are >>red and some are white, I know because >>I have seen them. >> > >Hi Gerard. > >If you ever see one of these 91 or 92 bikes, please look at the >Manufacturers Label on the frame on the front ride side of the steering >head. I would love to know the serial number of that model year. Based on >the serial numbers, and the definition of each of the 3 sections of the >VIN, it's hard to see how they could have made a 91, 92, or 93 model year. > >Curious in Canada.... > >fsl > > >(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) > >Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 >Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda > > HSTA Member Number 7470 > >(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 09:27:49 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: FW: "riding cheap" At 8:02 AM -0600 11/6/98, Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com wrote: > >So about that Flame suit on comment... here you go... (use a courier >font) >Besides we don't need another Harley thing going here with everybody >copying OUR design. :-) > > ) ( ( ( > ( ) () @@ ) (( ( > ( ( )( @@ ( )) ) ( > ( ( ( ()( /---\ (()( ( > _______ ) ) )(@ !O O! )@@ ( ) ) ) > < ____) ) ( ( )( ()@ \ o / (@@@@@ ( ()( ) > /--| |( o| ( ) ) ((@@(@@ !o! @@@@(@@@@@)() ( >| > \___| ) ( @)@@)@ /---\-/---\ )@@@@@()( ) >| /---------+ (@@@@)@@@( // /-----\ \\ @@@)@@@@@( . >| | \ =========______/|@@@@@@@@@@@@@(@@@ // @ /---\ @ \\ @(@@@(@@@ . . >| \ \\=========------\|@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ O @@@ /-\ @@@ O @@(@@)@@ @ . >| \ \----+--\-))) @@@@@@@@@@ !! @@@@ % @@@@ !! @@)@@@ .. . >| |\______|_)))/ . @@@@@@ !! @@ /---\ @@ !! @@(@@@ @ . . > \__========== * . @@ /MM /\O O/\ MM\ @@@@@@@. . > | |-\ \ ( . @ !!! !! \-/ !! !!! @@@@@ . > | | \ \ ) . . @@@@ !! !! .(. @. .. . > | | \ \ ( / .( . \)). ( |O )( O! @@@@ . ) . > | | / / ) ( )). (( .) !! ((( !! @@ (. ((. . . > | | / / () )) )) .( ( ( ) ). ( !! )( !! ) (( )) .. > | |_< / ( ) ( ( ) ) (( ) )).) ((/ | ( | \( )) ((. ). >____<_____\\__\__(___)_))_((_(____))__(_(___.oooO_____Oooo.(_(_)_)((_ > > >Later >Roger >Chaska, MN > Very nice Roger. So tell us....do you have a whole bunch of free time on your hands, or do you have some software utility that does this for you? fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:40:53 -0400 To: "PC800" From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: No 1999... For gosh sakes people, stop whining. Honda is very good with supplying parts or old bikes. I walk into the local shop and get parts for my kid's '76 CB400 all the time. And even if another PC never rolls off the assembly line there will be new and showroom-condition used PCs for sale for the next 20 years. The sky is NOT falling!! MESSAGE REPEATS! The sky is NOT falling. -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:40:52 -0400 To: Rich Gross , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: Backrest Of course if you have a Corbin seat you can buy a Corbin backrest for an equally outrageous amount of money. The Corbin seats are nice, though. The previous owner of my '96 had a Corbin and I added a backrest later after many complaints from my passengers. I like the Corbin but I probably wouldn't have paid 560$US for it -- 360$US for the seat and another 200$US for the tiny backrest. Corbin's web page is http://www.corbin.com/ -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 09:54:56 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: No 1999... >For what its worth, Check out the layout of models from the Pacific Coast >Europe Web site at: >http://www.dsv.nl/~pce/int-pc800-models.htm > >It is a good layout, and fun to see the other colors that people have >painted them. > >- Thanks Jim. I have seen the various colours represented at that site. I saw one of the "France only" blue on dark silver bikes, at Americade last year. I'm not sure if it had been imported into the US, or if it was repainted, but it was an '89 model. The trunk had a custom mural painted on it, and the artist had signed his initials with an "89" following them. I still don't see how there could be any 91, 92, or 93 models. I think that the European dealer that imported them was probably required to provide some sort of Federal approval for that country, so they would be street legal, and as part of that process he re-applied a Statement of Compliance label issued from the government of Holland. They might have issued labels that showed Model Year as being the current year in which it was certified. Either way...it is curious. The bikes were imported into Holland by a dealer. He had to buy them from somewhere. Where was he buying 91,92 and 93 PC800's? I wonder if they had those model years in Japan? Curious in Canada... fsl p.s. I can't send you mail directly Jim. Is your e-mail address correctly entered in your e-mail software ? (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 10:21:15 -0500 From: Richard Stafford To: Jim Alexander CC: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Electric gloves/vest Just wanted to throw this comment in. A few years back I bought a Eclipse electric vest. Coming home from work with a bizillion layers of clothes on and the weather in the teens I felt a very uncomfortable warm spot on my back. Then I smelled something burning. I work around coal all the time so I thought maybe I was smelling that. Then the nice warm vest suddenly got cold and lost that warm fuzzy feeling. Got home and had a blister on my back and a hole on the inside of the vest. The dealer where I bought it sent it in and they seemed to think I bought one a size to small and stretched the darn thing.( I seem to do this with all my clothes) They replaced it with a size larger and it has worked fine every since. So when I bought my electric suit I bought it a bit larger and boy does it fit bulky. Take care, Dick -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 10:36:33 -0500 From: Richard Stafford To: Francois Saint Laurent CC: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Electric gloves/vest > Very good advice. I know guys who have these huge warm gloves, but > couldn't operate the levers in an emergency. I agree with all u guys are saying, but my favorite gloves are snowmobile gloves I bought in the late 70's that are three fingered. I slip inner linings under them and they are fine for my 43 mile comute one way to work with my fingers just starting to get cooled down when I get there. They work for about a hundred miles in freezing weather then I have to warm the fingers. The drawback is you can't put rubber gloves over them. I have and do use inside out bread wrappers as rain liners. Sometimes the print comes off the wrapper on to the gloves and makes for some interesting conversations at those warm up stops. Some of us old dogs just haven't grasped this new technology yet. Take care, Dick. P.S. I have backed off of my extreme cold riding this year and I'm really taking a ribbing at work. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 06 Nov 1998 08:43:57 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 08:43:32 -0700 From: "David Clark" To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Self Cancelling Indicators The angle sensor is a mercury switch similar to the goldwings. On my wing I can cause the signals to cancel at any speed so long as I can cause the switch to do it's thing. David Clark Logan, UT >>> 11/06/98 06:20AM >>> Mark writes: << Besides, as far as I know, there is no adjustment for the cancellation. >> That's correct, Mark; there's no adjustment of the self-cancel mechanism, and I can find no specification regarding how many degrees the steering stem must rotate to initiate the cancel sequence. The steering-angle sensor is only used in the 1 to 67 kph (~42 mph) speed range, and it appears to be designed to work for fairly sharp turns such as at urban intersections where the steering angle changes appreciably. For gradual turns when the speed is near the high end of the range, like merge lanes, the steering-angle change is quite small. In these situations, the self-cancel criteria may not be met, and a manual cancel will be necessary. J. T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:59:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:59:28 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Self Cancelling Indicators Francois writes: << The signals should still self cancel while doing lane changes, highway merges, etc., even if the steering stem angle does not change at all. If your speed is over a certain threshold, the system cancels the turn signals based on distance travelled or time. >> True! Once your speed gets about 67 kph, the system is controlled purely by time. They should cancel after about 7 seconds (6.3 to 7.7), which, as Francois points out, is just about perfect for lane changes. However, if your speed stays below 67 kph, a manual cancel may be necessary after a gradual turn or lane change. On the same subject, Tommy writes: <> The timer alone, as mentioned above, controls things above 67 kph. Below 67 kph, there is a distance measure involved. Specifically, the signals should cancel 108 to 132 meters after the steering is centered following a turn. However, as Rich points out, the system isn't perfect. If the steering is turned enough to trigger the distance counter while approaching a turn (either to avoid an obstacle or to maintain balance when riding slowly), the signals can cancel prematurely. J. T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 11:19:52 -0500 Subject: Re(2): PC800: Electric gloves/vest To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) dickie@bealenet.com writes: >The >dealer where I bought it sent it in and they seemed to think I bought >one a size to small and stretched the darn thing.( I seem to do this >with all my clothes) They replaced it with a size larger and it has >worked fine every since. So when I bought my electric suit I bought it a >bit larger and boy does it fit bulky. Take care, Dick This is one reason I am buying my Gerbing's electric coat and pants from Mike Vlahos (mgvlahos@aol.com), their mid-Atlantic rep, because he is very, very fussy about getting your initial measurements correct. I met him in person in Baltimore to have him measure me, but he will also walk you through it on the phone if you have a friend to use the tape measure. My clothes should arrive in another week so I'll let you know how it fits. Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 11:20:52 -0500 From: Susan Dingess To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: windshield Does anyone know of a taller windshield for the PC800? I now have the so-called touring windshild, taller than stock from Honda. My height is 6'3". It doesn't properly direct the airstream about my helmut. I need about 2 more inches. Thanks, Jim -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:29:48 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Alexander To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: Apologies to all Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 08:28:04 -0800 I would like to apologize to all who have sent me a message that got bounced. I had the wrong return address in my machine at home. The address which is coming from this message is correct, so if you have grabbed my address from previous messages, please change it. Jim Alexander Concord California '89 PC800 HSTA 2307SU AMA 415932 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:35:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:35:52 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: windshield Hey, Jim: Don't feel bad. Most of us could use a couple more inches. :) (Sorry, couldn't resist a straight line like that) J. T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: annreid@juno.com by x16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DTDT2K7T; Fri, 06 Nov 1998 11:41:51 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: scpcrc@listbot.com Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 09:25:24 -0700 Subject: PC800: PHX RFK UPDATE MEMORY JOGGER: The Phx Ride For Kids is this Sunday, Nov. 8th. Fred Rau, Sr. Ed. of MCN, will lead the parade .... in a pink party dress and all the trimmings. He lost a bet and won a dress. Bet he'll be "Pretty In Pink" with his well-rounded figure and full beard. *HEH HEH* UPDATE: A reliable source said ESPN is going to be there to FULLY document Fred's Coming Out. Not sure when it'll air. Keep your mind open, your TV tuned and the wide angle lens in focus. I'll try to take some pix, have 'em scanned and share. Hopefully, I can get Fred to pose on my PC at the rally tomorrow. Hope to be back On-List by the end of next week. Ann '89 PC-AZ Ghost-DEVIL Fri. 11.6.98 9:25 MST -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 09:21:30 -0800 (PST) From: John Scalisi Subject: Re: PC800: No 1999... To: Honda Pacific Coast Group Since Honda's production runs of the PC800 are not constant, it may be possible that Honda just did not want to do a production run of PC800's this summer for 1999. They may have decided to skip this year again and let all the old 1998 and prior new ones still floating around sell out. Then maybe next year or the year after set up a production run of them again. That is a very possible alternative. ---Pat McNew wrote: > > Coasters, > > I was at Motions Honda in Marietta, GA Saturday and the salesman said he > had been to two 1999 Honda shows and did not see or hear anything about > a 1999 PC800. He also said that the ordering information for 99s from > Honda did not list a PC800. On the other hand the PC is still on their > web site, but it is a 1998. > > -- > Pat McNew > Snellville, GA > 1996 PC800 - Ramblin' Rose > 5500 (S)miles > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 09:24:15 -0800 (PST) From: John Scalisi Subject: Re: PC800: Honda discontinuance of accessories To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu If a model is discontinued, the accessories are discontinued as well. Anything that wasn't on the bike when manufactured is an accessory. Anything on the bike when manufactured is spare parts. ---Peter_N1@verifone.com wrote: > > Coasters, > > It has been my personal experience that Honda is pretty good about > discontinuing their accessories sooner than they discontinue replacement parts > for the bikes themselves. It would appear that accessories don't fall under the > normal legal requirement of providing service and replacement parts for 7 years > after a product is discontinued (this being standard for doing business in the > U.S., although I have heard that the time period can vary somewhat). > > There have been earlier discussions on this point in the archives. My advise > is to attempt to purchase any accessory, or spares of any accessory that you > deem to be needed while they are still available. My main concern is how long > body panels will be available. These hopefully should fall under the "service > and replacement parts" requirements, but the tall Honda windshield would not. I > actually have a spare of both windshields, just incase. > > I have had good success with purchasing parts from Honda in the past (I > restored an old Honda 70 for a friend a number of years after it was > discontinued) but was not successful in purchasing any accessory after a bike > has been discontinued. This experience could vary depending on finding a dealer > who still has some accessory items on a dusty shelf somewhere, but the time and > effort in locating these could be excessive. > > Fortunately I already have the mud flap, trunk light, passenger back rest, > passenger scuff kit, Honda tall windshield, spare standard windshield and trunk > carpet mats I made myself from a pattern made from the factory mats. > > Peter Noeth || KE6ZJA || SF Bay Area, CA || '96 w/ 9k and loving every minuite! > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 09:37:51 -0800 (PST) From: John Scalisi Subject: Re: PC800: Self Cancelling Indicators To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At slower speeds, it takes quite a long time for the signals to self cancel when going straight. But they will eventually shut off. Except on sharp turns were thay go off quick, I usually shut my signal off before they self cancel. FSL Wrote: If > your speed is over a certain threshold, the system cancels the turn signals > based on distance travelled or time. I have found that my turn signals > stayed on longer than I would have normally used them for, but after a bit > of self-review I realized that I do not use them properly. I started > turning them on a bit sooner, to properly 'indicate' my intention to lane > change, and then after the proper shoulder check and lane change manoeuver, > the signals cancelled themselves. > > ride safe > > > fsl > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. 6 Nov 1998 12:37:07 -0600 (CST) by bge.bealenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA04858; Fri, 06 Nov 1998 13:33:36 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 13:29:17 -0500 From: Richard Stafford Subject: Re: Re(2): PC800: Electric gloves/vest To: PC800 Rider Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Reply-to: dickie@bealenet.com PC800 Rider wrote: > > dickie@bealenet.com writes: > >The > > >dealer where I bought it sent it in and they seemed to think I bought > >one a size to small and stretched the darn thing.( I seem to do this > >with all my clothes) They replaced it with a size larger and it has > >worked fine every since. So when I bought my electric suit I bought it a > >bit larger and boy does it fit bulky. Take care, Dick > > This is one reason I am buying my Gerbing's electric coat and pants from > Mike Vlahos (mgvlahos@aol.com), their mid-Atlantic rep, because he is > very, very fussy about getting your initial measurements correct. I met > him in person in Baltimore to have him measure me, but he will also walk > you through it on the phone if you have a friend to use the tape measure. > > My clothes should arrive in another week so I'll let you know how it fits. > > Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 > Seneca Falls, New York 13148 Tim, no doubt you are using the right technique for purchasing the electrics, Take Care, Dick. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #U2811) 6 Nov 1998 12:32:22 -0600 (CST) Content-return: allowed ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 10:32:47 -0800 From: "Spain, Harrison" Subject: PC800: My PC serial number To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" I finally got around to looking at the serial number on my PC; JH2RC3415KM000730 =A0 I guess this means I have the CA model built in 1989 and it was the = 730th off the line.=A0 I understand only 734 were made in 1989 for CA so I = just made it under the wire :-). =A0 Harrison Spain=20 Unigraphics Solutions=20 GTAC Systems Support=20 Tel: 714.952.6114=20 Fax: 714.952.5371=20 E-mail: spain@ugsolutions.com=20 =A0 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. 6 Nov 1998 12:41:41 -0600 (CST) by bge.bealenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA04954; Fri, 06 Nov 1998 13:38:25 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 13:34:07 -0500 From: Richard Stafford Subject: Re: PC800: PHX RFK UPDATE To: annreid@juno.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, scpcrc@listbot.com Reply-to: dickie@bealenet.com annreid@juno.com wrote: > > MEMORY JOGGER: The Phx Ride For Kids is this Sunday, Nov. 8th. Fred > Rau, Sr. Ed. of MCN, will lead the parade .... in a pink party dress and > all the trimmings. He lost a bet and won a dress. > > Hope to be back On-List by the end of next week. > > Ann > '89 PC-AZ Ghost-DEVIL > Fri. 11.6.98 9:25 MST Ann, I think Fred lost the bet to Nick Hopner of Wing World on a fundraiser which Nick raised more than Fred. Keep us Posted and glad to have you back. Take care, Dick -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. 6 Nov 1998 12:43:28 -0600 (CST) by fpage2.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.sh) with ESMTP id KAA17668 for ; Fri, 06 Nov 1998 10:42:09 -0800 (PST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 10:42:08 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Wesley Subject: PC800: SAENG Windshield trim To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu X-Authentication-warning: fpage2.ba.best.com: bizsoft owned process doing -bs Hello All, My SAENG windshield trim arrived last night, and I put it on around midnight. This morning riding to work with it on my 1998 PC, there was a noticeable differnce in decrease in wind noise than my cold ride home last night. I am 5' 9" and look right over my windshield. Last night, I had to scrunch until my eyes were below the stock windshield to get into a pocket of still air. This morning, I only had to scrunch/relax an inch to get in the pocket of still air - and I was still clearly looking directly over my windshield. The SAENG stuff works. My best guess is that it like a 2" higher wind screen. The harsh wind noise that I had last night is gone. I had to raise off my seat to get the same effect as before the SAENG stuff. I've decided not to buy a higher windshield now that I've tried SAENG. Oh, the wind used to hit me right at my eyes. Now, it is probably at the very top of my helmet. The $40 was worth it ... http://www.saeng.com/ Regards, MikeW Cogito Ergo Zoom -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Desmond Cockburn" To: dingess@ecqual.net Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: windshield Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 11:00:37 PST Sue, You might give a look at the Saeng/Ta edging to raise the wind stream up a few more inches. Sorry but I don't have the toll free number handy at the moment but I'm sure it is listed in the archives along with lots of information about the product. I have the edging on the stock PC windshield and really like it. Using my hand to gauge the flow, I estimate that at 60 or so the edging has raised the flow by at least three inches. The air stream used to hit me right in the eyes but now is raised to just above the "bill" of my touring helmet. I haven't really noticed an increase in wind noise as I usually wear ear plugs anyway. As an added bonus, the edging adds a nice "sporty" look to the bike. Call Saeng and ask for a brochure and also give a look at the Winglet system. I ordered the Winglets, installed them along with the edging and ended up only using the edging as it met my needs. Service with the Saeng company has also been excellent. Des 95 PC, Dream Weaver Okmulgee, Ok. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:03:32 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Wesley To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde Hello All, Along the lines of the previous stories of PC admirers, I have too have had interesting comments made about my PC. You see, I have a Triumph T509 Speed Triple with a racing exhaust and the PC800. I've found that my PC800 elicits pleasant responses regularly. My Speed Triple, gets more 'interesting' comments - "I didn't know Triumph was still in business", or "I would have got something else", or "why did you take the fibergalss off, did somebody steal it?". The worse things I've heard about my PC so far is "It is practical ...", or from my buddy "Is that Hi/Lo switch the gears ... ;-)". Best Regards, MikeW Cogito Ergo Zoom -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tosh Konya" To: "Michael Wesley" , Subject: PC800: Function of Hi/Lo switch Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:51:51 -0500 > The worse things I've heard about my PC..."Is that Hi/Lo switch the gears?" The hi/low switch is for AutoLean mode. Didn't you read the owner's manual? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 15:10:23 -0400 To: , "Michael Wesley" , From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Function of Hi/Lo switch Michael Wesley wrote: >> The worse things I've heard about my PC..."Is that Hi/Lo switch the >gears?" > >At 2:51 PM -0500 11/6/98, Tosh Konya wrote: >The hi/low switch is for AutoLean mode. Didn't you read the owner's >manual? > > You guys are such kidders....everybody knows that the Hi/Lo switch is to control the electric height adjustment for the seat. Of course, you can disable that function, and use the switch to control the temperature inside the trunk, for keeping drinks cold. fsl :-) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 15:21:47 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Betty Lise Anderson Subject: Re: PC800: Function of Hi/Lo switch >>> The worse things I've heard about my PC..."Is that Hi/Lo switch the >>gears?" >>At 2:51 PM -0500 11/6/98, Tosh Konya wrote: >>The hi/low switch is for AutoLean mode. Didn't you read the owner's >>manual? >> >You guys are such kidders....everybody knows that the Hi/Lo switch is to >control the electric height adjustment for the seat. Of course, you can >disable that function, and use the switch to control the temperature inside >the trunk, for keeping drinks cold. > What do you mean, kidders? They're wrong. Hi/Lo is the modesty setting- you set it to correspond to whether you have rotor covers or not. It adjusts the rear shock to compensate for the weight. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "Francois Saint Laurent" Cc: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: Re: PC800: Function of Hi/Lo switch Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 15:30:17 -0500 My Hi/Lo switch changes the pitch of my horn from BEEP to BOOP. SZ -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Francois Saint Laurent To: ttk@erinet.com ; Michael Wesley ; pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Friday, 06 November 1998 15:09 Subject: Re: PC800: Function of Hi/Lo switch >Michael Wesley wrote: > >>> The worse things I've heard about my PC..."Is that Hi/Lo switch the >>gears?" >> > > >>At 2:51 PM -0500 11/6/98, Tosh Konya wrote: >>The hi/low switch is for AutoLean mode. Didn't you read the owner's >>manual? >> >> > >You guys are such kidders....everybody knows that the Hi/Lo switch is to >control the electric height adjustment for the seat. Of course, you can >disable that function, and use the switch to control the temperature inside >the trunk, for keeping drinks cold. > > > >fsl :-) > >(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) > >Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 >Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda > > HSTA Member Number 7470 > >(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 11:39:34 -0900 From: jgoula To: Ted Norris , PC800 Subject: PC800: PC jokes Ted Norris wrote: > Funny that you should menition this,,we on the ST list have done the > same thing,,You know,,to make sure that a PCpotamus is never mistaken > for the Greatest Motorcycle Ever friggen built,,lucky for you,,you can > up grade,,while for us ST owners there's nothing left but Farkeling,,,, > ,,whaaat a Farkeling shame#:) Ted, Interesting, so you consider the ST, which is longer, wider, heavier, less nimble, less comfortable, more maintenance intensive and twice as expensive, an _upgrade_? Could I interest you in some lovely swamp land as an investment instead? It's a great opportunity, honest! :-) -- Juan Fairbanks, Alaska Lat.: 64.847°N, Long.: 147.717°W Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure. Aldous Huxley --------------------------------------------------------- School of Fisheries and Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks (907)474-5520 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 17:09:31 -0500 Subject: Re(2): PC800: Function of Hi/Lo switch To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) This is all quite odd because my Hi/Lo switch is connected directly to my bank account and reflects the rate at which funds are removed to purchase the next new item for my Honda Pacific Coast, or its rider. The switch has been stuck on Hi since I picked up the motorcycle in July of this year. Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" des1@ntr.net writes: >My Hi/Lo switch changes the pitch of my horn from BEEP to BOOP. > >SZ > >-----Original Message----- > >Date: Friday, 06 November 1998 15:09 >Subject: Re: PC800: Function of Hi/Lo switch >>Michael Wesley wrote: > >>>> The worse things I've heard about my PC..."Is that Hi/Lo switch the >>>gears?" >>> >> >>>At 2:51 PM -0500 11/6/98, Tosh Konya wrote: >>>The hi/low switch is for AutoLean mode. Didn't you read the owner's >>>manual? >>> >>> >> >>You guys are such kidders....everybody knows that the Hi/Lo switch is to >>control the electric height adjustment for the seat. Of course, you can >>disable that function, and use the switch to control the temperature >inside >>the trunk, for keeping drinks cold. >> >>fsl :-) >> >>(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) >>Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 >>Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda >> >> HSTA Member Number 7470 > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@kpt1.tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 17:49:38 -0500 (EST) From: James R Randall To: Betty Lise Anderson cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Honda discontinuance of accessories while I don't really worry about this... I think you'll be able to get PC parts for at least 10 years and I'll definitely want something else by then (are there any '89 model cars you'd really rather have than a new one???), Honda does not stock parts for eveything they ever made forever. Just recently I was told the OEM mirrors for my son's '85 CB125S were no longer available - not a big deal since there are aftermarket options, but, case in point, these Geniune Honda parts are no longer available for an '85 model. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net On Fri, 6 Nov 1998, Betty Lise Anderson wrote: > Doug Wilkerson fretted: > > >The discontinuation of the PC is very disconcerting to me--so much so that I > >regret purchasing the motorcycle (I didn't think to ask the dealer about > >obsolescence). If I owned an '89 model, it wouldn't be so bad because I'd > >have > >been driving it for almost ten years already. However, it is conceivable that > >I won't be able to drive my new '98 for its useful life (or--the horror--the > >length of my finance term) because of parts availability. Obviously these > >things are good for at least 10 years (or I wouldn't see people boasting of > >having 120K miles on their '89s), but I doubt seriously I'll get > > Let me reassure you. I heard that Mr. Honda's philosphy is to keep parts > around for everything forever. I believe you can still gets parts for any > motorcycle Honda has ever built. Even though Mr. Honda has passed away, I > would be seriously shocked to find we couldn't gets parts, including > plastic, for many, many years to come. This worries me not one little bit. > I say, enjoy your bike! > > Betty Lise Anderson > '90 PC, new to me this year > 6100 miles, 2500 of my very own > Just got my Wong Wing in the mail, eat your hearts out! It's gorgeous! > Perfect, perfect match for Candy Glory Red. Nyah, nyah, na boo boo. > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tim J. Clevenger" To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: PC800: Grip warmers? Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:49:13 -0800 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Anybody know where I can order a set of grip warmers? I'm looking for = the Kimpex warmers that slip under the existing grips. I checked out = Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse, and all they have are complete = replacement heated grips in "rainbow colors" for $39.95. Regards. Tim Clevenger '98 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 21:32:15 -0400 To: TClevenger@paypros.com, "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Grip warmers? At 2:49 PM -0800 11/6/98, Tim J. Clevenger wrote: >Anybody know where I can order a set of grip warmers? I'm looking for the >Kimpex warmers that slip under the existing grips. I checked out >Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse, and all they have are complete replacement >heated grips in "rainbow colors" for $39.95. > >Regards. > >Tim Clevenger >'98 PC800 > Contact Kimpex directly at : Kimpex USA, Ltd. 260 Jenks Ave. S Cokato, MN 55321 320-286-5211 I bought mine at a local dealer here in Ottawa. They are quite popular at dealers that also sell snowmobiles, if those things exist in your area. Mine were in a non-descript bag, with the two heater elements, the switch, the resistor, some wiring and no instructions. You need to add a fuse, and a ground wire. They were $29.95 CDN, which is just under $20US these days. I am happy with the amount of heat they put out, but I am thinking about getting a plastic sleeve, the size of the throttle sleeve, to use as an insulator. The right grip heats up quickly, but the left grip has the metal bar acting as a huge heat sink. It takes a while longer to warm up. Still, they are great, and way cheaper than actual heated grips. I used my stock Honda grips. Foam and Gel grips may act as an insulator, so keep that in mind. Good luck...ride safe... fsl :-) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Honda discontinuance of accessories From: Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org (Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council) Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 22:43:24 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu On Fri, Nov 6, 1998, 1:33:15 PM GMT Doug Wilkerson wrote: >However, it is conceivable that >I won't be able to drive my new '98 for its useful life (or--the horror--the >length of my finance term) because of parts availability. Obviously these >things are good for at least 10 years (or I wouldn't see people boasting of >having 120K miles on their '89s), but I doubt seriously I'll get Parts availability for Honda motorcycles has always been rediculously good. Sometimes a bit pricey, but really good. Just for kicks once a few years ago I asked my Honda dealer if he could order up some stock mufflers (four-into- four) for my '71 CB500-Four. Sure enough, he could order them up--for $300 a piece. >What type of replacement parts are typically needed? Does the PC share >engines >with another, more popular Honda? That's the other good news. Generally speaking the PC800 is so trouble-free you will rarely need to replace anything excpet for light-bulbs, flasher relays, brake pads, oil filters, etc. which are very standard parts for just about any Japanese bike. Plus the PC800 shares many of its engine components with the very popular (and long-lived) 750 Shadow, which I believe is still in production, so things like gasket sets, water pumps, and such should be very easily accessible. I really see no reason why anyone purchasing a PC800 today shouldn't be able to get 200,000 miles (or more) out of it. There are folks on this list with over 150,000 and still going strong. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 00:39:26 -0500 From: "Leland C. Sheppard" To: Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Honda discontinuance of accessories Hi Jim, James R Randall wrote: > while I don't really worry about this... I think you'll be able to get PC > parts for at least 10 years and I'll definitely want something else by > then (are there any '89 model cars you'd really rather have than a new > one???), Honda does not stock parts for eveything they ever made forever. > Just recently I was told the OEM mirrors for my son's '85 CB125S were no > longer available - not a big deal since there are aftermarket options, > but, case in point, these Geniune Honda parts are no longer available for > an '85 model. In 1993 I bought parts for my 1972 Honda CB750. There was no indication that the parts were shared by other years or that later years parts were being substituted. FWIW... -- Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 118,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: dbrab@webtv.net (Dave Rabinowitz) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 07:36:07 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Electric hookup I'm thinking about getting electric gear....how do folks hook it up to the bike? do you install a lighter jack wired to the battery? thanks for the info dave '98 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: dbrab@webtv.net (Dave Rabinowitz) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 07:39:29 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Wind pressure I notice that the back of my jacket sticks flat to my back on the PC. On the Shadow, it billowed (friend said I looked like a purple Michelin man). I have the standard PC windshield and am about 5'7" (depending on what happened at work that day) Wondering if this is usual for a faired bike.... dave '98 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 07:50:01 -0500 Subject: Re: PC800: Electric hookup To: dbrab@webtv.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) dbrab@webtv.net writes: >I'm thinking about getting electric gear....how do folks hook it up to >the bike? do you install a lighter jack wired to the battery? > >thanks for the info > >dave >'98 PC800 I'm getting the full set of Gerbing's Heated Clothing (jacket, pants, gloves, socks) and I have installed a BMW style DC outlet in my fairing just below the storage compartment. It is a smaller hole that the Auto cigarette lighter type and is made for outdoor use. Gerbing's has a cord with the BMW style plug available as an option. I'm assuming there is an adapter I can use in the outlet to plug in the more conventional auto plugs if I need to for something else. I used John Deere parts (thanks to Francois Saint Laurent's info) and it only cost me $15.11 for the parts. Part No.- plug RE11344 socket AL25073 It makes a nice clean looing job when you are done. Francois also wired in Gerbing's built in electronic thermostat to the DC outlet and mounted the heat control knob on his right handlebar (nice looking job). I'm not sure if I will do that or not. My heat clothes will not arrive for another week and a half so I have not tried them yet. Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 07:58:13 EST To: dbrab@webtv.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Electric hookup In a message dated 11/7/98 6:36:23 AM Central Standard Time, dbrab@webtv.net writes: << I'm thinking about getting electric gear....how do folks hook it up to the bike? do you install a lighter jack wired to the battery? >> Hey Dave. I have my 'lectric hookups all neatly away under the lid over the gas cap. I just leave it there year 'round. In the winter I hook up my vest and gloves to it and in the rest of the year I can hook up my 12v adapter for my walkman so I don't run down its self contained batteries. The wires all fit easily in there, and with quick connects, it is literaly a snap to plug in different connections. Russ Vernon '95 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 09:38:50 -0600 From: Steve Wilson CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Wind pressure About the jacket sticking to your back, not sure about all faired bikes but it is normal for all PC's. The John Deere plug is a great plug for an electrical outlet. Any tractor or mower dealer can order it for you. If you order a Widder vest, it uses the same plug. BMW also uses the same style plug although it uses a fancy spring loaded cover. I think the BMW one is also about $60. Visit a Deere dealer near you today! :-} -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: dbrab@webtv.net (Dave Rabinowitz) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 10:54:28 -0500 (EST) To: rnash@gcnet.com (Roger Nash) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Wind pressure --WebTV-Mail-925576747-1187 thanks, Roger..I've got the Canyon Motoport which I've used for the last four years...just put the lining in this morning. It has under arm zipper vents and when they're open, I uh, inflate.... dave '98 PC800 --WebTV-Mail-925576747-1187 with ESMTP id GAA08466; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 06:39:32 -0800 (PST) mailsorter-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id GAA02433; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 06:39:31 -0800 (PST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 08:42:16 To: dbrab@webtv.net (Dave Rabinowitz) From: Roger Nash Subject: Re: PC800: Wind pressure At 07:39 AM 11/7/98 -0500, you wrote: >I notice that the back of my jacket sticks flat to my back on the PC. >On the Shadow, it billowed (friend said I looked like a purple Michelin >man). I have the standard PC windshield and am about 5'7" (depending on >what happened at work that day) > >Wondering if this is usual for a faired bike.... > >dave >'98 PC800 > Dave, why don't you first look into getting a motorcycle jacket. That will stop the billowing and protect you much better that street wear. I use a Joe Rocket Ballistic jacket and it works great for me. Regards, Roger --WebTV-Mail-925576747-1187-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: dbrab@webtv.net (Dave Rabinowitz) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 10:57:15 -0500 (EST) To: ttk@erinet.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: Electric hookup --WebTV-Mail-2067676135-146 Thanks, it's a good suggestion....I'll wander down to the bike and check it out..... dave '98 PC800 --WebTV-Mail-2067676135-146 with ESMTP id GAA28386; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 06:31:06 -0800 (PST) mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id GAA09895; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 06:31:06 -0800 (PST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tosh Konya" To: "Dave Rabinowitz" Subject: Electric hookup Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 09:22:00 -0500 Dave, I just checked on my PC and it was as I'd imagined. If you open the trunk, you'll see the battery on the right. You can wire into the battery (always have an inline fuse) with the subharness supplied with the electric vest, gloves, etc. The subharness can stay in the trunk out of harm's way when it's not needed. When you need to use it, just feed it into the gap between the rider and passenger seat then close the trunk. I know you won't be able to feel a cable that far back and the only choice at that point is to sit on the main harness or perhaps run it around one leg or the other. If I were you I would drill any holes in the panel or plasticwork until you have experience using the electrical items. No use doing permanent damage because you may not even like those items! --WebTV-Mail-2067676135-146-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: dbrab@webtv.net (Dave Rabinowitz) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:03:50 -0500 (EST) To: RVPC800@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Electric hookup --WebTV-Mail-1618208171-1740 no issue with electrical connections above the gas cap? (evidently not..:-) do you just close the door on the wires when in use? dave '98 PC800 --WebTV-Mail-1618208171-1740 with ESMTP id EAA02873; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 04:59:07 -0800 (PST) mailsorter-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id EAA26678; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 04:59:06 -0800 (PST) gizmo.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAC07396; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 06:59:04 -0600 sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA22726 for ; ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com 7TSGa02539; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 07:58:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 07:58:13 EST To: dbrab@webtv.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Electric hookup In a message dated 11/7/98 6:36:23 AM Central Standard Time, dbrab@webtv.net writes: << I'm thinking about getting electric gear....how do folks hook it up to the bike? do you install a lighter jack wired to the battery? >> Hey Dave. I have my 'lectric hookups all neatly away under the lid over the gas cap. I just leave it there year 'round. In the winter I hook up my vest and gloves to it and in the rest of the year I can hook up my 12v adapter for my walkman so I don't run down its self contained batteries. The wires all fit easily in there, and with quick connects, it is literaly a snap to plug in different connections. Russ Vernon '95 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. --WebTV-Mail-1618208171-1740-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tosh Konya" To: , , Subject: Re: PC800: Electric hookup Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 10:59:47 -0500 > I have my 'lectric hookups all neatly away under the lid over the gas cap. I > just leave it there year 'round. In the winter I hook up my vest and gloves... Wouldn't the wires coming out of that fuel filler well chafe the paint? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sat, 7 Nov 1998 08:32:13 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 09:21:54 -0700 From: Neillnsteph To: Dave Rabinowitz CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Halloween Picture There is a great new picture taken by Ann Reid posted on the web page listed below. The picture is number 82 and the caption is: The Headless Coastman tops off in Skull Valley. Enjoy! While you are there poke around and look for some of the new stuff that's been added or check out the "Trivia" section for the details on how the self cancelling turn signals work. (that's been there for several years now!) TTFN, Neill "Webster" Thompson '94 PC800 35K (all mine!) Anybody care to hazard a guess as to who the Headless Coastman is? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:43:34 EST To: dbrab@webtv.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Electric hookup In a message dated 11/7/98 10:04:08 AM Central Standard Time, dbrab@webtv.net writes: << do you just close the door on the wires when in use? >> Hey again Dave. I should have been a tad bit more precise about the wires. First you take off the seat, then you can route the wires into the cap area thru the back. Then, it is a simple zag down the left side of the bike to the fuse block where Honda was gracious enough to give us a couple of spare sockets to plug in accessories. You might have to take some plastic off here, but I don't remember. If you do, it is just one piece. I also have my CB connection for my helmet in mine where it stays away from would be vandals. No one knows it's there with the lid closed. Hope this helps. Russ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: DavidAklein@webtv.net (David Klein) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 12:27:35 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Wood Trim from S.A.S.I. Hello fello PC'ers: I am thinking about purchasing a wood trim kit for my P.C. Possibly from sasiwood@aol.com. OR, Sunrise cycle acces., also sells them. Both company's are in FL. Can anyone tell me: Do both company's offer the same quality?, Has anyone purchased these wood kits for there bike?, Do you have any advice for me? Thanks in advance. Dave Klein DavidAklein@WebTV.Net Fort Wayne,Indiana Awarded All American City Status For 1999 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Electric hookup Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 21:01:03 +0100 >I have my 'lectric hookups all neatly away under the lid over the gas cap. I >just leave it there year 'round. >Russ Vernon >'95 PC >-- Just a small but maybe important safety question. Is this a safe thing to do, I mean putting an electrical outlet right next to the fuel vapor out-/inlet in a non ventilated little box ? I wouldn't dare to. ___ [_ mile Nossin, '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Kingdom of the Netherlands, Santpoort "Meetings will run more efficiently if they're being held on a friday afternoon." http://www.cybercomm.nl/~emile ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Larry Furr" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: Freight and Set Up Fees? Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 16:21:38 -0600 Importance: Normal I am still trying to locate a reasonably priced 98 PC. Found one in Decatur, AL, but they want to charge $335 over retail to cover their freight and set up costs. I thought that was included in the retail or am I mistaken? Total cost out the door less tax is $7,034. I have pretty much drawn the line at $6,700 and have seen some posts here that indicate it can be had even cheaper. Anyone know about these "extra" charges? Thanks Larry Furr -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 17:41:05 EST To: Emile@Cybercomm.nl, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Electric hookup In a message dated 11/7/98 2:02:08 PM Central Standard Time, Emile@Cybercomm.nl writes: << Just a small but maybe important safety question. Is this a safe thing to do, I mean putting an electrical outlet right next to the fuel vapor out-/inlet in a non ventilated little box ? I wouldn't dare to. >> I guess that the older PCs must have a different trap door for the gas tank than my model does. It is quite well ventalated and I feel quite safe for the application in which I use it for. At least it has not been a problem for the last 56 thousand miles anyway. Russ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Imapcrider@aol.com Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 17:51:25 EST To: RVPC800@aol.com, Emile@Cybercomm.nl, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Electric hookup In a message dated 11/7/98 4:42:44 PM Central Standard Time, RVPC800@aol.com writes: << At least it has not been a problem for the last 56 thousand miles anyway. >> I have a thermostat control in my "trap door" area for my Widder vest and I have not any sort of trouble at all in over 150,000 miles with it, so I think that it is pretty safe. I like that it stays out of the way in there but it stays handy. I do not have a CB radio, but that seems like a good place to keep cord for that as well. Dave Little -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "Larry Furr" cc: "PC800" From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Freight and Set Up Fees? of "Sat, 07 Nov 1998 16:21:38 CST." <000001be0a9c$fd26b1a0$0b8489d0@larpaul> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 17:45:01 -0600 "Larry Furr" writes: > I am still trying to locate a reasonably priced 98 PC. Found one in Decatur, > AL, but they want to charge $335 over retail to cover their freight and set > up costs. I thought that was included in the retail or am I mistaken? Total > cost out the door less tax is $7,034. I have pretty much drawn the line at > $6,700 and have seen some posts here that indicate it can be had even > cheaper. Anyone know about these "extra" charges? I bought mine from the dealer in Fayetteville, TN, about 50 miles from Decatur. Rode it out for $6250. Paid taxes when I got the Alabama tag. At the time the Decatur dealer still wanted $7700 but had a '97 with 18k miles I could have for only $7k, had new 96's for $7k too. The Huntsville dealer about the same. Neither had any clue as to Honda's current SRP or enough gumption to *really* confirm or deny the $6799 SRP. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Electric hookup Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 02:14:23 +0100 << Just a small but maybe important safety question. Is this a safe thing to do,I mean putting an electrical outlet right next to the fuel vapor out-/inlet in a non ventilated little box ? I wouldn't dare to. >> >I guess that the older PCs must have a different trap door for the gas tank >than my model does. It is quite well ventalated and I feel quite safe for the >application in which I use it for. At least it has not been a problem for the >last 56 thousand miles anyway. >Russ It can't be any different, that door, but you can hardly call it ventilated. Offcourse you didn't have problems with it before, you would notice it when you would, I'd think (WOOOOFFF!!!). You have these cowboy pilots who keep doing risky things with the excuse: "well, it went good all the other times, so it will this time". It's just that one little moment, that one little spark you get at that one time you didn't put the gas cap on the right way ,or forgot to put it on (I read about people forgetting this after they gassed up, on this list). And you don't even have to have the cap on to get fuel vapor filling up that little compartment. I read about other motorcyclists getting in trouble after a spark was produced while gassing up on other lists. Some even refuse to sit on the bike while refueling because of that risk, purely so they don't have to worry to jump of the bike while it is blowing up itself. It happens, and I believe you are asking for it with that spark producer next to the pressure relief. Maybe you just didn't realise it untill now, I hope you give it a second thought because fuel is no material to experiment with. I'm probably sounding pretty serious now, but that's because I am. It's not like riding around with worn tires or a bad voltage regulator. You can survive a flat tire or dead battery, but not a exploding gas tank. I'd like to hear more opinions on this one. ___ [_ mile Nossin, '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Kingdom of the Netherlands, Santpoort "Meetings will run more efficiently if they're being held on a friday afternoon." http://www.cybercomm.nl/~emile ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: dbrab@webtv.net (Dave Rabinowitz) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 20:31:55 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: '98 Breakin Instrux The '98 owners manual has two sentences about breakin which amount to: no full throttle starts and avoid rapid acceleration for the first 300 miles. The rest of the page is blank, so I guess they weren't trying to save on paper! dave '98 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ungolden1@aol.com for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 21:06:42 +1900 (EST) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 21:06:42 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: PC800 FOR SALE 96 PC800 FOR SALE AT BANZAI MOTORSPORTS IN LIBERTYVILLE ILLINOIS. THE BIKE IS RED WITH ABOUT 1000 MILES AND IT HAS A SONY RADIO, OVERSIZED WINDSCREEN, UTOPIA BACKREST AND MORE. THE BIKE IS MINT. BANZAI'S # IS 847-362-7110 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Adrian Zai" To: "Larry Furr" Cc: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Freight and Set Up Fees? Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 21:40:14 -0500 I bought my brand new 98 PC800 in June and paid $6200 in Boston, MA. I think someone else on the list got it at the same price in another state. That's the total cost out-the-door excluding tax. The freight and setup cost should be included. Dealers tend to use these words to get more money out of you. Adrian -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Larry Furr To: PC800 Date: Saturday, November 07, 1998 5:24 PM Subject: PC800: Freight and Set Up Fees? >I am still trying to locate a reasonably priced 98 PC. Found one in Decatur, >AL, but they want to charge $335 over retail to cover their freight and set >up costs. I thought that was included in the retail or am I mistaken? Total >cost out the door less tax is $7,034. I have pretty much drawn the line at >$6,700 and have seen some posts here that indicate it can be had even >cheaper. Anyone know about these "extra" charges? > >Thanks > >Larry Furr > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2); Sat, 7 Nov 1998 23:36:53 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: PC800: Last ride of the year.... Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 22:32:58 -0500 From: To: "Pacific Coast List" Rode the PC for the last time this year, today. 2.5 hours worth. Temps 40-45 F. Many layers kept most of me warm, but hands got cold even in snowmobile mittens. See you all in the spring. --- Jim Hart "Organization is necessary for things to exist; Chaos is necessary for things to evolve." -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Cc: "Yetvart" , "Victor Hageman" , "Ronald" , "Rene Nossin" , "Marco Reitsema" , "Maarten" , "Kiwan Nossin" , "Jan Gerritsen" , "Humberto Vieira Rijo" , "Ascon de Vries" , "Arjan Hiemstra" Subject: PC800: Vosges Trip Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 06:18:21 +0100 Hey guys. Since I bought my scanner a few days ago I've been working overtime. I now have long overdue pictures of my Vosges (France) trip I made last May. It was my first MC vacation and my last since then. I want to make a lot more like those. I also did a lot of other upgrading on every other page on my site. So check out my site and enjoy. I hope the pictures aren't too slow for you guys. It's hard to judge for me because I have an ISDN connection. Tell me what you think and don't forget to sign the guestbook, please : )=). This is where to go: http://www.cybercomm.nl/~emile Enjoy, ___ [_ mile Nossin, '90 PC "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Kingdom of the Netherlands, Santpoort "Meetings will run more efficiently if they're being held on a friday afternoon." http://www.cybercomm.nl/~emile ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. via smtpd (for mailrelay.data-io.com [139.138.100.89]) with SMTP; 8 Nov 1998 07:06:19 UT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Cotes, Steven" To: PC800 , "'Larry Furr'" Subject: RE: PC800: Freight and Set Up Fees? Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 23:07:58 -0800 Larry, When you start seriously talking to dealers about prices, I've found you need to ask for an "out the door plus tax and license" price of something along those lines. I've found different dealers adding on from one to four different line items to the price. These varied from a flat amount per type of bike, to a collection of Freight, Set-Up, Documentation, and/or Filing. When I ask a dealer for a price I don't much care what they add on. I want to know what their total price is before the government's percentages (license and tax) get added on. - HTH, - steve cotes - '96 PC - Near Seattle, WA > I am still trying to locate a reasonably priced 98 PC. Found one in > Decatur, > AL, but they want to charge $335 over retail to cover their freight > and set > up costs. I thought that was included in the retail or am I mistaken? > Total > cost out the door less tax is $7,034. I have pretty much drawn the > line at > $6,700 and have seen some posts here that indicate it can be had even > cheaper. Anyone know about these "extra" charges? > > Thanks > > Larry Furr > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 23:31:05 -0800 To: "Cotes, Steven" , PC800 , "'Larry Furr'" From: Dimitri Rakitine Subject: RE: PC800: Freight and Set Up Fees? .com> >> I am still trying to locate a reasonably priced 98 PC. Found one in >> Decatur, >> AL, but they want to charge $335 over retail to cover their freight >> and set >> up costs. I thought that was included in the retail or am I mistaken? >> Total >> cost out the door less tax is $7,034. I have pretty much drawn the >> line at >> $6,700 and have seen some posts here that indicate it can be had even >> cheaper. Anyone know about these "extra" charges? My out of the door price was $6200 + $300 dealer fees. ('98 PC800) Dimitri -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 07:08:14 -0500 From: Susan Dingess To: Honda PC800 Subject: PC800: New PC Owner in FL Just got my PC Thursday..., is there a PC club, riding group, etc. in Florida? Jim -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Adrian Zai" To: "Madeleine Kasof" Cc: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Freight and Set Up Fees? Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 07:24:51 -0500 Hi Madeleine, I was pretty happy with the deal I got for my PC800. The dealer was asking for $7000 originally. Then I told them that $6200 was the price most people on the pc800 were getting. I told them I wouldn't feel rig