for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 04:24:35 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 04:24:00 -0400 From: "Dana L. Sawyer" Subject: PC800: Installing parts To: HondaPacificCoastOwners When I bought my '97 Pacific Coast, I rode my '90 to the shop and paid their mechanic to remove and re-install accessories from the '90 to the '97. I felt that $5,500 for a '97 PC800 with 700 miles was a fair price, and d= id not try to include the above work in the deal. Incidentally, the dealer charges $49/hour for labor. For the quality of work that the mechanic does, it's well worth it! Dana P.S. When I need tires, I do not order from a mail-order source and then take them to the dealer for installation. I buy them from the dealer...I want him to be in business when I need him! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:39:30 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Whew! Hey, Juan: << Good thing PC riders are such level-headed people :-) >> Are we to infer that you think we're a bunch of flat heads? For shame! :) Is your cabin tightly caulked yet? How ccccold is it? It's 93 here today; yuk! :(. Come on, riding weather! J.T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by saffron.neccsd.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id FAA02042 for ; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 05:19:45 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Sattin, Harvey" To: "'X PC 800 List'" Subject: PC800: Carb Synch and Glovebox Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:15:11 -0400 I synchronized my carbs this week. I bought the carb-sync tool from J.C. Whitney which is on sale for $26.95. Except for finding the adjustment screw, the job was indeed simple. You don't need any adapters. My '98 PC had 1100 miles on it and it was off by 2". Does anyone have an easy way to find that screw every time? Maybe if there was an exact-length screwdriver or a way to fit a tube or something to guide it. Anyone have a good method or trick for this? I also got Neill Thompson's PC Glovebox. The black color looks perfect on my PC. It doesn't block my view of the instruments. It's perfect for storing your cellphone, glasses, camera, etc. and you can hold more in that space than you realize. It goes on/off quickly with Velcro and it's also a fanny pack. It's well worth the money. Thanks to Ann for telling me about it and Neill for the great service and product. -Harvey Sattin, Brookline, MA '98 PC800W, 1100 miles, "Rhonda" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: I need advice about my riding-- wind Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:07:41 +0200 >Personal opinion (from a pilot but new motorcyclist): > >I think it isn't all that complicated. The wind blows you to one side, and >if you simply go with your instinct [..] I also like the psychological one better. >If you look well ahead and hold your line, the wind correction would >probably be >very natural for most riders.... Except for Betty. ___ [_ mile Nossin '90 PC800 "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Holland, Santpoort 'Never look back upon your live and say: " I should have done that....."' http://www.cybercomm.nl/~emile ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Autopivoting Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:28:29 +0200 >Great Emile, except the moment arm is from WHEEL CONTACT POINT...not >from the CQ and all exertions above and below the CG only cancel or add >to each other at the CG. [...] Well John, I know it's a pretty poor brainstorm of mine, but if you consider a rolling wheel isn't a fixed pivoting point and if you also consider mass slowness (proper word probably be inertia) of the CG in a gust, you have two pivoting points. You're probably right, but I think it's theoretically possible. >I think the counter steering force from the Wheel and disk covers causes the >automatic lean. Only the wheel plus disk cover isn't built like a rudder. The pivoting point in the wheel is in the center, not in front of it. > In the same vain, a very small rudder turns (read banks) a plane. Now the way this is done is by changing the lift >on the wings via pivoting the plane on it's Z axis but the principle is >the same as the front wheel Vain ? In a crosswind a plane will not bank into the wind after take-off. It will yaw. There is the moment around the vertical axis, but also the moment around the longitudinal axis (rudder is on top), countering the rolling moment caused by the yaw. That's why I said 'inverted'. I think it's time for some empirical research on the PC. > Oh, well, MTCW. MTCW ? ___ [_ mile Nossin '90 PC800 "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Holland, Santpoort 'Never look back upon your live and say: " I should have done that....."' http://www.cybercomm.nl/~emile ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl > >John >95 pc800 >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JRBPilot@aol.com for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:50:07 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: PC800 Available For anyone looking: There is a '97 PC800 at a small used car lot on Rt 4 in Hamilton, OH. It has (I think) 10,000 miles and they are asking $5900. They have had it for a couple of months, so I think they would deal. Hope this helps someone. Jeff in Cincinnati '96 PC 1220 Miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:16:39 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 07:08:06 -0700 From: Neill and Stephanie To: "Sattin, Harvey" CC: "'X PC 800 List'" Subject: Re: PC800: Carb Synch and Glovebox Glad to hear you like it! Any more takers? Sattin, Harvey wrote: > {snip} > I also got Neill Thompson's PC Glovebox. The black color looks perfect on > my PC. It doesn't block my view of the instruments. It's perfect for > storing your cellphone, glasses, camera, etc. and you can hold more in that > space than you realize. It goes on/off quickly with Velcro and it's also a > fanny pack. It's well worth the money. Thanks to Ann for telling me about > it and Neill for the great service and product. > > -Harvey Sattin, Brookline, MA > '98 PC800W, 1100 miles, "Rhonda" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lcshepp@ibm.net Date: Thu, 01 Oct 98 07:27:35 +0000 To: hsta@cybrtown.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Introduction of a MD. 95PC800 rider Hi all, >> with 77,000 miles on the clock, still has all original brake pads and shoes!!!!! << I forgot to mention: With 115,000, mine still has all original brake pads and shoes and, according to my mechanic, has just under 50% of its wear left. Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 115,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lcshepp@ibm.net Date: Thu, 01 Oct 98 07:05:11 +0000 To: annreid@juno.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: DEALER SERVICE (**) Hi all, >> a) When appropriate/necessary, babysit your service guys. I've been very lucky, I think. The dealer I bought the bike from, Lamb's Honda/Yamaha in Auburn, Calfornia (near Sacramento) gave me a good price when I bought the bike ($1200 less than their competition) in 1993. I had my 600 mile service done there and wasn't particularly impressed (too high on the hourly rate for one thing). I found, through an acquaintance at work, out about an independent shop in Diamond Springs, California (about 12 miles from my home whereas Auburn was about 26 miles) called Performance Cycle (530 621-3115). The owner/mechanic there, John Proto, is factory trained on Honda with 25 years of experience. He is honest, reasonable about his rates (about $20 less per hour than the dealer), and is a neat, smart, conscientious workman. I not only trust him with my motorcycle, he's such a nice guy I'd trust him with my wife!!! (very big grin) John is a good man. His shop has all brands of Japanese bikes, British bikes, Beemers, Italian bikes and even an occasional Harley. John can and will work on just about anything and if he works on it, it'll be well done. If he can't do it, he'll tell you he can't before he ever starts. John has done all of the service on my PC except for the 600 mile so I've been in there about every 8 weeks (4000 miles) for the past five years. He's also mounted and balanced 7 sets of tires and done the few repairs I've needed. I've asked him never to move from his current location because if he did move, I'd have to move with him! He is so good the dealer agreed (he used to work for them, so they know him and he buys all his parts through them) to let John do any warranty work that might be necessary on my bike. If any of you are ever in the Sierra foothills of northern California and need work, I can't recommend him strongly enough. Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 115,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Introduction of a MD. 95PC800 rider of "Thu, 01 Oct 1998 07:27:35 -0000." <199810011129.HAA000.38@MYHOSTNAME> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:09:41 -0500 lcshepp@ibm.net writes: > > I forgot to mention: With 115,000, mine still has all original brake pads an > d shoes and, according > to my mechanic, has just under 50% of its wear left. Let this serve as a lesson to everyone: its not how often you change your oil, its how much you use your brakes that determine how long a motorcycle lasts. Don't brake and it doesn't break. :-) -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: JRBPilot@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 Available of "Thu, 01 Oct 1998 08:50:07 EDT." <631a9273.36137a7f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:06:34 -0500 JRBPilot@aol.com writes: > For anyone looking: > > There is a '97 PC800 at a small used car lot on Rt 4 in Hamilton, OH. > It has (I think) 10,000 miles and they are asking $5900. > They have had it for a couple of months, so I think they would deal. > > Hope this helps someone. ROTFL. Now that I own a PC800 I'm all for the market keeping the price up. But $5900 is more than some have sold *new* 97's for. My new '98 was $6250, plus tax, including set-up and dealer prep. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lcshepp@ibm.net Date: Thu, 01 Oct 98 08:18:12 +0000 To: Emile@Cybercomm.nl, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: I need advice about my riding-- wind Hi, >> Except for Betty. << She'll learn. It just takes time to get used to. Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 115,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lcshepp@ibm.net Date: Thu, 01 Oct 98 08:11:04 +0000 To: Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Installing parts Hi, >> When I need tires, I do not order from a mail-order source and then take them to the dealer for installation. I buy them from the dealer...I want him to be in business when I need him! << I do order my tires mail-order and take them in. The price I was paying was less than my independent shop had to pay to buy them for me. I pay him for the labor of mounting and balancing and since he tends to charge me for less time than he spends, I watch to make sure he's putting enough time on the bill - I want to make sure of the same thing as you, that he stays in business! Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 115,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lcshepp@ibm.net Date: Thu, 01 Oct 98 07:52:36 +0000 To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: I need advice about my riding-- wind Hi, >> The concept behind thinking that the front fender design may affect this behavior is that the airflow around the valanced fender is changed in a crosswind such that a small steering torque is produced which in turn produces a "countersteer" into the wind just as if the rider had applied pressure on the upwind hand grip. This is, admittedly, speculation, but it is at least a plausible explanation consistent with aerodynamic principles. << If this were true, I'd expect them to make the same change on the Gold Wing and to the best of my knowledge, they haven't. It has had, for as long as I can remember, a similar "wheel pant" as was (and is in my case) on the PC. Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 115,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lcshepp@ibm.net Date: Thu, 01 Oct 98 08:08:23 +0000 To: johnla@yahoo.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: additional accessories Hi, >> If Honda would have put LED's in their Wingthing, they might have sold enough to justify continued production. << Do you know something we don't? I hadn't heard that they had stopped production... Is there no '99 model? Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 115,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lcshepp@ibm.net Date: Thu, 01 Oct 98 07:59:53 +0000 To: rgross@facstaff.wisc.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: I need advice about my riding-- wind Hi Rich and ... >> The wind blows you to one side, and if you simply go with your instinct, you naturally correct with a little lean, just like you would to if you were on a banked road surface or correcting for a slight turn. << Or even walking. I agree. I think it's just a natural reaction to counter the sideways force of the wind. The big thing, to me, is to just relax. If you are over-tight and stiff about it you will over-correct. If you are relaxed, less over-correction will occur, I think. I have side winds for up to 30 miles (each way) per day on my 95 mile commute. I use the whole lane, as needed, to deal with the wind. Sometimes the wind gets so squirrely that I'm bouncing back and forth (as when coming into or out of a cut in the hill bordering the road) like crazy. If it's a steady wind, I'm just leaned into it. Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 115,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lcshepp@ibm.net Date: Thu, 01 Oct 98 08:15:02 +0000 To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Whew! Hi, >> Come on, riding weather! << As far as I am concerned, riding weather is anything from 20 degrees to 120 degrees as long as there is no ice on the roads... I've ridden here (California) at both ends of that range. Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 115,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lcshepp@ibm.net Date: Thu, 01 Oct 98 08:20:19 +0000 To: h.sattin@neccsd.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Carb Synch and Glovebox Hi, >> I also got Neill Thompson's PC Glovebox. The black color looks perfect on my PC. << I must have missed something. Details on where you got it, please? Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 115,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: brian.hopkins@L3.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Sargent Cycle seats Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:30:48 -0600 Anybody have any experience with Sargent? Anybody use their seats? (on any bike) Good? Bad? Indifferent? TIA Brian D. Hopkins Denver Colorado '97 PC800 '96 VFR HSTA #8274 HRCA CO-VFR "You don't stop riding because you get old, you get old because you stop riding." -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by saffron (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id IAA00178; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 08:38:21 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Sattin, Harvey" To: "'lcshepp@ibm.net'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Carb Synch and Glovebox Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:33:45 -0400 Leland, Here's the poop, a copy of a previous message (Neill's a member of this group.) ****************************************************** The long awaited pictures of the custom PC800 handlebar bag (aka PC800 Glovebox) have been posted to the PC800 web site and may be viewed at: http://members.tripod.com/~pc800/images/pc80076.jpg As Ann Reid has posted to the list, this bag is available for purchase for $39.00 plus $3.00 for shipping. (Handling is free!). Shipping outside of the continental U.S. may be somewhat higher. The bag is available in a wide variety of colors including a shade of grey which would look great on any model year. Other colors are: black, white, red, wine, purple, navy, green... just about any color you can name! The bag is made of heavy waterproof Cordura fabric and features a map window on the top which will accept a standard US size roadmap (folded of course). It also features a stow away belt so you can easily wear the bag around your waist when you leave your bike. (If your waist measurement is greater than 38", specify with your order). The bag attaches to the handlebars with simple yet sturdy velcro straps. No drilling or gluing of any kind is made to the bike. >From the picture, it looks like the bag might interfere with your line of sight to the instruments. It doesn't, but just to be sure, sit on your bike and lay a long ruler across the tops of brake and clutch reservoirs. If you can see your instruments over the ruler, you will be able to see them over the handlebar bag. If you are interested send a check to: Neill Thompson 3329 E. Blackhawk Dr. Phoenix, AZ 85050 Any questions, reply to this message. If you email me an let me know that the check is in the mail I can try to make sure that I have one on hand to ship out when your check comes in. Be sure to specify your choice of color both in your email and with your check. Within the US, shipping will be by Priority Mail. Outside the US, lets negotiate. > -----Original Message----- > > Hi, > > >> > I also got Neill Thompson's PC Glovebox. The black color looks perfect on > my PC. > << > > I must have missed something. Details on where you got it, please? > > Leland > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JRBPilot@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:34:43 EDT To: lcshepp@ibm.net, johnla@yahoo.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: additional accessories I think the comment regarded stopping production of the Wing Thing. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:45:35 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: I need advice about my riding-- wind Cc: Betty Lise Anderson At 7:59 AM +0000 10/1/98, lcshepp@ibm.net wrote: >The big thing, to me, is to just relax. If you are over-tight and stiff >about it you will >over-correct. If you are relaxed, less over-correction will occur, I think. > >Leland >'94 Pacific Coast >"Black Beauty" >115,000 miles > I think this is the best explanation by far. The worst thing for a crosswind is a tense driver. Stay loose, relax, take a deep breath, and just go with the flow...... The same can be said about bridges with metal grate surfaces. A couple of the guys I ride with regulary seem to tense up when they get to this kind of a bridge. As a result, they cross at a much slower speed. While I understand that it is better to be 'slow and safe', there is a limit. If you are crossing one of these bridges and the cement truck behind you is trying to pass on this one lane bridge because you are going too slow, then the safety aspect is no longer prevalent. So Betty Lise....did you ever think your original post would have generated such a volume of responses, and such an in-depth analysis on the aerodynamic qualities of a pre-97 PC800 versus 97 and later? Ride safe...and stay loose... fsl :-) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:43:08 -0700 (PDT) From: John La Subject: Re: PC800: one less bambi To: kr evans Cc: pclist Glad the deer got the worst of it. I might have been bambi's family coming out for peek at you at the side of the road.... John ---kr evans wrote: > > well folks, there is one less bambi in the world tonight. My trusty steed > done hunted one down on my way home from work. The adreneline has worn off > now, and the shaking begins. Darn thing jumped right in front of me from a > corn field. I think I took off its head. Just drove right through it. No > spill. With home 10 miles in front of me and dark, I drove home rather than > stop - I hate guessing where ditches are on the sides of country roads. > Just sent Suze up to see if she can recover any pieces or see if the > miscreant wandered off. Lots of left side of bike is missing. What is > there is broken. Front forks bent, wheel bent, radiator bent. Fairing > smashed, etc. Go figure though, the mirror was entirely untouched. We'll > see how well Progressive responds to this. Aaaargh. > The blood stains are interesting. But more so is the brown spooge all over > the left trunk area. Are deer really s**t-for-brains ? > OH, where is that bottle of Glenmorangie? > > Suze just pulling into driveway.. Report soon... > > kicked its butt she says. a perfect bullseye. I gutted it. Deer on the > side of the road. Liver, intestines, stomach, etc lying in the road. > Anybody know a quicker way to field-dress a deer? :^) > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Reinhardt, Bob" To: "'PC800'" Subject: PC800: Front End Problems Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:30:06 -0400 Importance: high Has anyone had problems with the front end on their PC's?? My '95 Coaster is handling kind of strange with the front end feeling very weird, loose and kind of sloppy....much like a car with very worn shock absorbers. While at my local dealer the other night, I struck up a conversation with a racer/mechanic. When I mentioned what I was experiencing, he offered to take a look at it. Was he shocked! After a quick spin in the parking lot, he told me he had just ridden another PC a couple days ago and mine wallowed all over the place compared to the handling on that one. After looking at it a little further, he thought my steering head bearings are probably shot and said I probably should not ride this bike *except* to the shop. In light of what I've read with some of the high mileage on our reader's bikes, does this sound right for a PC with 13K on the odometer?? He also advised that when I do take it to the shop and the bearings are indeed diagnosed as the problem that I insist on "tapered" bearings for the replacement. He said tapered bearings will last a lot longer than the standard replacement bearings. He further recomended that since all that plastic will be off and the front end exposed anyway, that I should also consider having the front fork springs replaced with Progressive fork springs. I'd love to hear some thoughts, opinions, advice, etc. Thanks! Bob Reinhardt 1995 Pacific Coast 13K miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Sargent Cycle seats From: Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org (Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:35:25 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) On Thu, Oct 1, 1998, 3:30:48 PM GMT brian.hopkins@L3.com wrote: >Anybody have any experience with Sargent? > Anybody use their seats? (on any bike) > > Good? > Bad? > Indifferent? I once had a Sargent seat that came with an 85 Nighthawk I once had. It was a nice seat, but a little hard in my opinion. One thing that made it a BAD seat though was that it had that pimply-diamond pattern on the seat. I truly hate that stuff. It's impossible to wipe your seat dry bacause the water gets trapped inside the dimples on the seat. What's worse, after leaving the bike outside during a few frosty nights, the water trapped in the dimples froze and expanded, cracking the vinyl into a million pieces. The seat was less than 2 years old and it was destroyed. It might be a good seat if your bike never gets wet and it never is exposed to below-freezing temperatures. Greg Torok 97 PC800 Bellingham, WA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Peter_N1@verifone.com To: Emile@Cybercomm.nl, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, rgross@facstaff.wisc.edu Subject: RE: PC800: I need advice about my riding-- wind Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:31:21 -0700 But it does seem that there is something "automatic" going on here. In my experience in gusty cross winds, the bike seems to be pivoting side to side along a point somewhat lower than the seat height, such that it feels that the bottom of the bike is being pushed in the direction of the gust, but the top of the bike stays put. My previous bike, a Nighthawk 450, would not do this in a crosswind. There seemed to be an even pressure pushing that bike to the side, which required a delebrate steering effort to correct. The PC seems to correct this by itself. I have experimented with this by loosly holding on to the handlebars and concentrating on NOT applying countersteer while riding in cross winds. The PC sure seems to be correcting on its own. Peter Noeth || KE6ZJA || SF Bay Area, CA || '96 w/ 8k and loving every minuite! (time for servicing) > ---------- > From: rgross@facstaff.wisc.edu[SMTP:rgross@facstaff.wisc.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 6:55 PM > To: Emile Nossin; pc800 > Subject: Re: PC800: I need advice about my riding-- wind > > > > >I'd be interested in the source of and rationale behind the notion that > the > > >center of pressure must be behind the rider to produce a lean into a > > >crosswind. That doesn't fit any aerodynamic principle of which I am > currently > > >aware, but . . . > > > > In a aircraft it's pretty logical (when flying inverted), but on a PC ? > > Personal opinion (from a pilot but new motorcyclist): > > I think it isn't all that complicated. The wind blows you to one side, and > if you simply > go with your instinct, you naturally correct with a little lean, just like > you would to if > you were on a banked road surface or correcting for a slight turn. > > If you look well ahead and hold your line, the wind correction would > probably be > very natural for most riders. Even though I've not been cycling for long, > this is one > issue I just didn't find problematic with the above mindset. > > Just a viewpoint.. > > Rich > Madison, WI > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Front End Problems From: Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org (Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:40:31 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) On Thu, Oct 1, 1998, 4:30:06 PM GMT Reinhardt, Bob wrote: >He also advised that when I do take it to the shop and >the bearings are indeed diagnosed as the problem that I insist on "tapered" >bearings for the replacement. They could just be a little loose as well and a re-torque could clear it up. If you do indeed need steering head bearings, do get the tapered bearings. I've had them on previous bikes and once replaced, the steering head bearings will outlive the bike. Greg Torok 97 PC800 Bellingham, WA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 08:47:55 -0800 From: "Juan A. Goula" To: PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: Front End Problems Reinhardt, Bob wrote: > > Has anyone had problems with the front end on their PC's?? > > My '95 Coaster is handling kind of strange with the front end feeling very > weird, loose and kind of sloppy.......After looking at it a little further, he thought my > steering head bearings are probably shot and said I probably should not ride > this bike *except* to the shop....He also advised that when I do take it to the shop and > the bearings are indeed diagnosed as the problem that I insist on "tapered" > bearings for the replacement. He said tapered bearings will last a lot > longer than the standard replacement bearings. He further recomended that > since all that plastic will be off and the front end exposed anyway, that I > should also consider having the front fork springs replaced with Progressive > fork springs. Cory had similar problems with his '89, only it was the wheel bearings. Make sure the dealer checks those as well. Cory described it felt like riding on pea gravel. I agree on first checking the torque specs for the steering head first, and if they need replacement go for the tapered ones. I also agree with the fitting of Progressive springs. Good luck. Juan Fairbanks, AK Cooling rapidly. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Peter_N1@verifone.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, REINHARB@ASAMRA.HOFFMAN.ARMY.MIL Subject: RE: PC800: Front End Problems Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:07:06 -0700 Bob, Inspection of the steering head bearings is a normal service item every 8K. I don't know what your mileage is, but if you do your own maintenance (or have a non-dealer mechanic do it), you have to do all the items in the normal service schedule, not just oil changes and fixing things when they break. Most service items are preventative maintenance checks, to see if a problem is developing. All, I will have to remember the response about the tapered bearings. If these are so much better, then why didn't Honda use them, especially on a bike designed to be such a very low maintenance bike. Since part of the race for the head bearings is pressed into the steering head tube, and the other part is on the fork itself and the top nut, and are designed for round ball bearings, do the races need to changed to accomendate the tapered bearings? How much does this cost? Peter Noeth || KE6ZJA || SF Bay Area, CA || '96 w/ 8k and loving every minuite! (time for service) > ---------- > From: Reinhardt, Bob[SMTP:REINHARB@ASAMRA.HOFFMAN.ARMY.MIL] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 9:30 AM > To: 'PC800' > Subject: PC800: Front End Problems > Importance: High > > Has anyone had problems with the front end on their PC's?? > > My '95 Coaster is handling kind of strange with the front end feeling very > weird, loose and kind of sloppy....much like a car with very worn shock > absorbers. While at my local dealer the other night, I struck up a > conversation with a racer/mechanic. When I mentioned what I was > experiencing, he offered to take a look at it. Was he shocked! After a > quick spin in the parking lot, he told me he had just ridden another PC a > couple days ago and mine wallowed all over the place compared to the > handling on that one. After looking at it a little further, he thought my > steering head bearings are probably shot and said I probably should not ride > this bike *except* to the shop. In light of what I've read with some of the > high mileage on our reader's bikes, does this sound right for a PC with 13K > on the odometer?? He also advised that when I do take it to the shop and > the bearings are indeed diagnosed as the problem that I insist on "tapered" > bearings for the replacement. He said tapered bearings will last a lot > longer than the standard replacement bearings. He further recomended that > since all that plastic will be off and the front end exposed anyway, that I > should also consider having the front fork springs replaced with Progressive > fork springs. > > I'd love to hear some thoughts, opinions, advice, etc. Thanks! > > Bob Reinhardt > 1995 Pacific Coast 13K miles > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:19:35 -0800 From: "Juan A. Goula" To: PC800 Subject: PC800: Whew! JTSMCRIDER@aol.com wrote: > << Good thing PC riders are such level-headed people :-) >> > = > Are we to infer that you think we're a bunch of flat heads? For shame!= :) Actually, all the PC riders I've met so far seem to have hemi heads ;-) = > Is your cabin tightly caulked yet? How ccccold is it? It's 93 here to= day; > yuk! :(. Come on, riding weather! Not yet but soon. The higher hills around here already have about a foot of snow. Here in town snow is expected this weekend, about three days behind schedule, despite all the warnings of an early winter (not that I am complaining, mind you). Thankfully it stopped raining, so with clean, dry roads I've been able to put on a few more miles. Tuesday Crystal and I went for a short (55 miles) dinner ride. When we left it was 42=B0 F. When we came back it was 28=B0. I am sure glad we both have electric vests and heated grips. Luckily, we did not see any moose. Juan Fairbanks, AK Latitude 64=B0 N -- = Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens. J. R. R. Tolkien --------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 PC800 School of Fisheries '91 VX800 and Ocean Sciences - UAF '96 EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\ HSTA # 4995RG -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:30:30 -0400 (EDT) To: jgoula@ims.uaf.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Whew! Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Juan Goula wrote: > When we left it was 42=B0 F. When we came back it was 28=B0. I am >sure glad we both have electric vests and heated grips. Hmm....You *both* have heated grips..... Where do these mount for the passenger? Sorry....couldn't resist... fsl :-) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) =46rancois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. id MAA16870 (8.8.6/50); Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:47:05 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 12:46:44 -0500 To: , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Rich Gross Subject: PC800: Right turns >This is still fresh in my mind because I had to "demo" the figure-8 in a >box exercise during last night's class. I use the clutch for both right >and left slow turns. The action of modulating the clutch's friction zone >is done with the fingers while the throttle is opened/closed by rotating >the wrist. Using the fingers is far easier, at least for me. One other observation from a new rider which might be useful to other students: When controlling slow speed with the clutch in tight turns, use your eyes and not your ears. I would occasionally roll on too much throttle, making a wondrous racket. Initially, it would rattle me off and mess up the turn - I'd roll off, pull in the clutch and perform other counterproductive rituals. Now, I ignore the noise, make a minimal clutch adjustment to maintain gradual acceleration, and don't seem to be having a problem. Might sound like a Harley for a few seconds, but that's the worst of it. Rich Gross Madison, WI -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:49:36 -0800 From: "Juan A. Goula" To: PC800 Subject: PC800: Heated grips Francois Saint Laurent wrote: > Hmm....You *both* have heated grips..... Where do these mount for the > passenger? > = > Sorry....couldn't resist... Well.... I am as endothermic as they come, and I am somewhat overweight, so you tell me...:-) Seriously though, Crystal rides her own bike, but if she didn't, I probably would go to my Arctic Cat dealer and get a set of passenger grip heaters. Does any one ride with a passenger who uses the grips? If so, these grip heaters could be the ticket to a more pleasant ride for your XO. They are similar to the Kimpex grip heaters, except they are not permanent, and are enclosed on a wraparound cordura envelope. They come with either snaps or velcro (don't remember which) and can be wired with a switch that is accessible to the passenger. If anyone wants more info on these, let me know. Juan Fairbanks, AK Latitude 64=B0 N -- = Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens. J. R. R. Tolkien --------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 PC800 School of Fisheries '91 VX800 and Ocean Sciences - UAF '96 EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\ HSTA # 4995RG -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Oct 98 12:53:56 -0600 From: "Theodore C Werk" To: Subject: PC800: New Guy on the List Name: Ted Werk Location: Lake Jackson, Texas (50 miles south of Houston) Email: Clubs: HSTA / HRCA / AMA PC Model year: 98' Bought New/Used: New - Purchased 7/18/98 Previous Bikes: 91'750 Nighthawk / 91'ST1100 / 96'VFR750 Current Bikes: 98'XR650L / 98'PC800 PC Modifications: Throttle Lock - Throttle Meister Back Rest - Hondaline (wounds still healing from installation battle) Seat Bag - Rev Pack Seat Pack - Red (fits/matches perfectly) Windscreen - Clearview +3" (waiting for delivery) Tank Bag - Europe Hondaline? (not mounted yet, please see below) There...I believe this should satisfy the Initiation Ritual (don't tell me that it also requires reciting, FROM MEMORY, the exact sequence for disassembly AND reassembly of ALL the PC fairing pieces!) Since I haven't had the time to look through all the archived files to see what information is available I was hoping that someone might be able to help me out with the following items (I need to get them installed before the Arkansas Byway Boogie - in a coupla weeks): 1) Clearview windscreen - did I make the right decision (pros/cons)? Any tips/problems/lessons learned from installation? 2) Tankbag - any tips on where to safely strap this thing down to? By the way last month, while I was in Germany, I came across a universal tank bag base in a Honda Shop. The base is cut out to accommodate both top filling tanks (sportbikes) and tanks with hinging lids (PC and ST). The bags are zipped onto the base and can be selected with logos of any of the honda models available. Unfortunately, since there are no PCs available in Europe, my tankbag says "Deauville". Slick set-up, haven't seen them in the states yet. Looking forward to hearing from some of you...thanks in advance. Ted -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JRBPilot@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:22:06 EDT To: tcwerk@stpegs.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: New Guy on the List Ted - The PC is available in Europe. There is a very large web site run out of the Netherlands with lots of PC info and Photos. Check it out at: http://www.dsv.nl/~pce/int-info.htm Jeff in Cincinnati '96 PC 1220 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:57:19 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Betty Lise Anderson Subject: Re: PC800: I need advice about my riding-- wind >So Betty Lise....did you ever think your original post would have generated >such a volume of responses, and such an in-depth analysis on the >aerodynamic qualities of a pre-97 PC800 versus 97 and later? > No, Francois, but isn't it great? BTW today was REALLY windy- even my fiance admits it, on his ST! But I was way less scared because everyone ont his list said I'd learn how to deal with it. And you know what? It wasn't that bad! (Course, I'm no fool and I stayed on city streets and off the highway) :-) Betty Lise Anderson Dept. Of Electrical Engineering The Ohio State University 205 Dreese Lab 2015 Neil Avenue Columbus OH check out the cool zip code 43210 http://eewww.eng.ohio-state.edu/~anderson/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:20:50 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Betty Lise Anderson Subject: Re: PC800: I need advice about my riding-- wind >Way to go!! Thanks! >BTW- Do you prefer B, BL, or? > My first name is "Betty Lise" (pronounced "Betty Lisa" but spelled funny- Danish mother). People usually call me "BL" (although I was once introduced as "BL" and that woman called me "Bill" for the rest of the evening). My father calls me "BLA" (my initials) and my neices and nephews call me "Aunt Betty Pizza" or "Confetti pizza", nicknames I do NOT want to stick. I want "Imperious Master" to stick, but somehow it doesn't take, even though I tell my students that's how they should address me. life is so hard. Kids today. When I was young... Betty Lise Anderson Dept. Of Electrical Engineering The Ohio State University 205 Dreese Lab 2015 Neil Avenue Columbus OH check out the cool zip code 43210 http://eewww.eng.ohio-state.edu/~anderson/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Front End Problems From: Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org (Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 13:12:42 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) On Thu, Oct 1, 1998, 5:07:06 PM GMT Peter_N1@verifone.com wrote: > I will have to remember the response about the tapered bearings. If these >are >so much better, then why didn't Honda use them, especially on a bike designed >to >be such a very low maintenance bike. Since part of the race for the head >bearings is pressed into the steering head tube, and the other part is on the >fork itself and the top nut, and are designed for round ball bearings, do the >races need to changed to accomendate the tapered bearings? How much does this >cost? I've never done it myself, but my machanic has installed tapered roller bearings on 2 of my past bikes. He informed me both times that it's a significant job to do and is best done by experienced mechanics. Basically, the pressed-in races need to be removed from the frame (no easy task) and the new races pressed back in their place. In past experiences, though, the end result has always been worth it (never had to replace tapered steering head bearings once they're in). Greg Torok 97 PC800 Bellingham, WA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Oct 98 13:07:09 PST From: "Wanda Bailie" To: jgoula@ims.uaf.edu, Francois Saint Laurent Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: PC800: Whew! I'll answer, Crystal's heated grips are on her own bike. Don't be so presumptuous as to assume she's a passenger. Do we know how to spell ass u me ? Wanda Bailie '95 PC800 "Black Beauty" ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Whew! Author: Francois Saint Laurent at INTERNET-KENTROX Date: 10/1/98 10:37 AM Juan Goula wrote: > When we left it was 42=B0 F. When we came back it was 28=B0. I am >sure glad we both have electric vests and heated grips. Hmm....You *both* have heated grips..... Where do these mount for the passenger? Sorry....couldn't resist... fsl :-) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) =46rancois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:08:40 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Donna Estill" To: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: PC800: New to the list... Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:18:55 -0700 Greetings....I am a new subscriber to this list having just recently = purchased a 1990 Pacific Coast. I discovered the Pacific Coast when my = 1982 Kawasaki 305 CSR had a major mechanical failure after 13 years of = dependable service. I am still going to investigate repairing my = Kawasaki (for future sale) as the Pacific Coast has definitely taken = it's place- in my heart and in the garage. The PC sits next to my = husband Goldwing and they make quite a pair. I have enjoyed this list so far and look forward to future postings! Donna Edmonds, WA repairing=20 my Kawasaki (for future sale) as the Pacific Coast has definitely taken = it's=20 place- in my heart and in the garage.  The PC sits next to my = husband=20 Goldwing and they make quite a pair.
I have enjoyed this list so far and = look forward=20 to future postings!
Donna   Edmonds,=20 WA
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ROBJHALL@aol.com for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:39:44 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: RE: To take the plunge or not?? Coasters: It's time for me to put up or shut up. I've finally found a new 96 (thanks Pat McNew) and the price offered is $5900 including freight/fees etc etc . Is if a good price?? fair price??? Should I dicker some more?? I haven't gotten anywhere negotiating accesories so this a stripped down (small windshield, no back rest) bike. What do you think??? Rob Cary, NC 89 PC working on a 96! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ROBJHALL@aol.com for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:39:38 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: RE: To take the plunge or not?? Coasters: It's time for me to put up or shut up. I've finally found a new 96 (thanks Pat McNew) and the price offered is $5900 including freight/fees etc etc . Is if a good price?? fair price??? Should I dicker some more?? I haven't gotten anywhere negotiating accesories so this a stripped down (small windshield, no back rest) bike. What do you think??? Rob Cary, NC 89 PC working on a 96! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 16:44:05 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 16:43:47 -0400 From: "J. MARK VENABLE" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: Are You Jealous Craig Carter wrote: >I just received my "Wong Wing" today in the mail and what a great job! Yes. As a matter of fact I am jealous. I have been resisting putting up a "where are the wong wings?" message figuring that whoever got the first one would let us know. Got to go check the mail box. Mark Venable 90 PC "This End Up" Ledyard Ct. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:53:31 -0400 (EDT) To: ROBJHALL@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: RE: To take the plunge or not?? At 4:39 PM -0400 10/1/98, ROBJHALL@aol.com wrote: > I've finally found a new 96 (thanks >Pat McNew) and the price offered is $5900 including freight/fees etc etc . >What do you think??? > > >Rob > I think if you don't buy it, someone else on this list will buy it. Go buy it...now... fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:53:21 -0700 (PDT) From: John La Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 Available To: JRBPilot@aol.com Cc: pclist FYI- Saw an ad in the paper for Honda of Hollywood. Brand New 97 PC800 $5,799 John PS also (FWIW) a NEW '97 Yamaha VMAX for $8,799 ---JRBPilot@aol.com wrote: > > For anyone looking: > > There is a '97 PC800 at a small used car lot on Rt 4 in Hamilton, OH. > It has (I think) 10,000 miles and they are asking $5900. > They have had it for a couple of months, so I think they would deal. > > Hope this helps someone. > > Jeff in Cincinnati > '96 PC 1220 Miles > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:08:28 -0700 (PDT) From: John La Subject: PC800: Re: Wingthings PAID thru johnla To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hi all- This is for anyone who sent JOHN LAFRENIERE their check for Philips' wingthing. If you sent Philips the $$$ in Hong Kong, I'm not involved and don't know. My understanding is that Philips will personally bring the wing things with him when he arrives in the US sometime before the 10th of October. I wouldn't expect them before that. PS- I still have your checks and money orders. Philips asked me to give them to him in when he arrives. John ----------8<-----------*snip* I have been resisting putting up a > "where are the wong wings?" message figuring that whoever got the first one > would let us know. ----------8<-----------*snip* == PC800 FAQ now online! Check it out- http://hhd.csun.edu/john/pcfaq.htm _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 17:14:43 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: ROBJHALL@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: RE: To take the plunge or not?? ROBJHALL@aol.com wrote: > > Coasters: > > It's time for me to put up or shut up. I've finally found a new 96 (thanks > Pat McNew) and the price offered is $5900 including freight/fees etc etc . Is > if a good price?? fair price??? Should I dicker some more?? > > I haven't gotten anywhere negotiating accesories so this a stripped down > (small windshield, no back rest) bike. > > What do you think??? > > Rob > Cary, NC > 89 PC working on a 96! Rob, I think it is a fair price. See if you can at least get 20% off any accessories, purchased subsequent to purchasing the bike. Good luck TommyTeal -- 93SE(Teal, you think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast 98V-Star(Red? you bet) GWTA of Michigan web site http://my.voyager.net/gwta/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jpatton@neptune.ConnectI.com Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:02:43 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: the "IDEAL" seat concept I love riding, but have never gone more than 350mi in a day, due mostly to saddle soreness! I would really like to take my PC, but the idea of taking 3 days to ride, what I usually can do in one in my cage. I have come up with a possible solution (short of buying a GoldWing). I recently sent my seat to Utopia for a backrest install, which should cure the back pain. I am still concerned, however, about a sore rump. I came to the conclusion that I need a new "Hybrid" seat, consisting of a stock passenger seat w/ the Utopia driver backrest, and a Corbin driver seat (since the Corbin has no driver backrest). I am wondering if anyone out there that has the Corbin seat, knows if it will fit/work with a stock passenger seat. If so, I am sure that I can have Corbin make a drivers seat with a fabric that will match stock. Also, is there anyone that has a Corbin drivers seat they would like to sell? Any thoughts?? JPatton -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. via smtpd (for mailrelay.data-io.com [139.138.100.89]) with SMTP; 1 Oct 1998 21:55:42 UT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Cotes, Steven" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "'ROBJHALL@aol.com'" Subject: RE: PC800: RE: To take the plunge or not?? Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:56:24 -0800 Well, last March I got my '96 new for $5600 (+ tax and license, the State doesn't usually negotiate these). So, is $5900 a good price ? Depends, how bad do you want it and does anyone else have any ? I'd be inclined to buy it and enjoy. - Steve Cotes - Kent, WA > ---------- > From: ROBJHALL@aol.com[SMTP:ROBJHALL@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 12:39 PM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: RE: To take the plunge or not?? > > Coasters: > > It's time for me to put up or shut up. I've finally found a new 96 > (thanks > Pat McNew) and the price offered is $5900 including freight/fees etc > etc . Is > if a good price?? fair price??? Should I dicker some more?? > > I haven't gotten anywhere negotiating accesories so this a stripped > down > (small windshield, no back rest) bike. > > What do you think??? > > > Rob > Cary, NC > 89 PC working on a 96! > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:23:02 EDT To: johnla@yahoo.com, owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu, JRBPilot@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: PC800: PC800 Available The new 96 PCs seemed to be bring a higher prices than the 97s. Is that that my imagination. Bernie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 04:01:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Scot Piper Subject: PC800: Modulator blinks at night? To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu It's been about 2 weeks since I installed a Kisan headlight modulator. It's worked fine until this morning. It was pitch black at 0600 when I left for work. I rode 5 miles with the high beam on (no modulation) then went to low beam in traffic. When I went back to high beam 5 miles later, it started modulating. I could not get it to stop, no matter what I did. The sensor is between the tank cover and the handlebars - I even put my thumb over it. Any suggestions before I call Kisan? Scot '89 PC800 I must admit, no deer ran in front of me when it was modulating in morning's darkness... :-) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BobDuWah@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:14:50 EDT To: h.sattin@neccsd.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Carb Synch and Glovebox In a message dated 10/1/98 7:16:10 AM Central Daylight Time, h.sattin@neccsd.com writes: << I also got Neill Thompson's PC Glovebox. The black color looks perfect on my PC. It doesn't block my view of the instruments. It's perfect for storing your cellphone, glasses, camera, etc. and you can hold more in that space than you realize. It goes on/off quickly with Velcro and it's also a fanny pack. It's well worth the money. Thanks to Ann for telling me about it and Neill for the great service and product. >> Ok, where do I find this PC glovebox, sounds like a very handy item. Bob Ronecker 94PC St Louis -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Cory" To: , "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Front End Problems Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:21:08 -0400 Juan wrote: >Cory had similar problems with his '89, only it was the >wheel bearings. Make sure the dealer >checks those as well. Cory described it felt like riding on >pea gravel. >I agree on first checking the torque specs for the steering >head first, and if they >need replacement go for the tapered ones. I also agree with >the fitting of Progressive >springs. Good luck. Yes, the wheel bearing loss was an interesting ordeal.... (Sunday afternoon, 180 miles south of Whitehorse, Yukon....... (Can you say: "I love you Honda Riders Cub"?) I've been told that the front weel bearing situation is one of the few chronic, real problem that the PC has. It seems that the front axel is of fairly large diameter, thereby requiring that the bearings have a fairly large hole, thereby requiring the use of smaller than usual steel balls inside the bearings, thereby causing shorter life. I have been told by the most experienced PC rider I know that he, just as a matter of standard practice, changes out the front wheel bearings with every other new front tire. (Do I have it right, Roger?) Later, Cory '90 Honda Pacific Coast (Millennium Turtle II) Nope Juan, not even a HINT of snow here in Mid-Ohio -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with ESMTP (IPAD 2.06) id 5992100 ; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 20:04:41 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 20:06:41 -0400 From: Henry Ulrich To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: WIND! Riding on the LIE today and completely blown from my lane! When the wind gets this bad it's time to pull over and take the slow roads. Wind gusts were 40-50mph! Idon't think there's anything short of a 500lb passsenger to stop that bike from blowing. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 17:09:23 -0700 From: Eric Prior To: jpatton@neptune.ConnectI.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: the "IDEAL" seat concept About six weeks ago I rode my '98 PC800 to the Corbin factory in Hollister to have a seat custom fitted. I asked about having just the driver seat replaced and they said they could probably do it (it would depend on how it looked as far as size and shape) but may not be able to match the color of the passenger seat. When they attempted to put the driver seat on the bike it was terribly apparent that there was no way it was going to fit. The pan of their seat was much narrower than the Honda OEM seat. Apparently there has been a change in the size of the pan in the 97/98 PCs. They said they hadn't put any of their seats onto the newer bikes, at least not at the factory. They told me that if I wanted to leave my bike with them for a few weeks later this year that they would use it as the prototype for making seats for the newer PCs. I said I would take them up on the offer in November. If you have an older PC their seat my very well work but I would make sure of the return policy before ordering it or better yet go to the factory in person so they can custom fit it and get everything right before you leave. They are very nice and will even give you a free breakfast in their 50s diner. An appointment is required. Check their web page www.corbin.com. Good luck and safe riding, Eric (San Jose, CA) jpatton@neptune.ConnectI.com wrote: > > I love riding, but have never gone more than 350mi in a day, due mostly to > saddle soreness! I would really like to take my PC, but the idea of taking > 3 days to ride, what I usually can do in one in my cage. > I have come up with a possible solution (short of buying a GoldWing). > I recently sent my seat to Utopia for a backrest install, which should cure > the back pain. I am still concerned, however, about a sore rump. I came to > the conclusion that I need a new "Hybrid" seat, consisting of a stock > passenger seat w/ the Utopia driver backrest, and a Corbin driver seat > (since the Corbin has no driver backrest). > I am wondering if anyone out there that has the Corbin seat, knows if it > will fit/work with a stock passenger seat. If so, I am sure that I can have > Corbin make a drivers seat with a fabric that will match stock. > Also, is there anyone that has a Corbin drivers seat they would like to sell? > > Any thoughts?? > > JPatton > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. X-UID: 00085264 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 20:39:06 -0500 Subject: Re: PC800: New to the list... To: destill@foxinternet.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: PC800_Rider@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) destill@foxinternet.net,Internet writes: >Greetings....I am a new subscriber to this list having just recently >purchased a 1990 Pacific Coast. I discovered the Pacific Coast when my >1982 Kawasaki 305 CSR had a major mechanical failure after 13 years of >dependable service. I am still going to investigate repairing my >Kawasaki (for future sale) as the Pacific Coast has definitely taken it's >place- in my heart and in the garage. The PC sits next to my husband >Goldwing and they make quite a pair. >I have enjoyed this list so far and look forward to future postings! >Donna Edmonds, WA Welcome. It's always nice to see a new "face" here:-) Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tosh Konya" To: "Eric Prior" , Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: the "IDEAL" seat concept Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 20:37:01 -0400 > About six weeks ago I rode my '98 PC800 to the Corbin factory in > Hollister to have a seat custom fitted. When they attempted to put the > driver seat on the bike it was terribly apparent that there was no way > it was going to fit. > > I would make sure of the return policy before ordering it or better yet > go to the factory in person so they can custom fit it and get everything right > before you leave. I'm not surprised their seat didn't fit because Corbin is living on a past reputation. I've had personal experience with several different Corbin seats and each was an ordeal. It took many calls and each time I called, I had to talk to a different person who didn't know who I was so had to start all over. Of course it always ended with an empty promise that my seat would be to me in x-weeks. I had to repeat this process too many times and I don't think their final product was worth the wait. My friends have also had similar or even worse experiences with Corbin so I'm not an unusual case. Let them make their money on boots and electric city cars. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. X-UID: 00085274 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 21:06:07 -0500 Subject: Re(2): PC800: the "IDEAL" seat concept To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: PC800_Rider@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) Tosh, I think it was your horror story back in July that made me wish I had never placed an order with Corbin at the Honda Homecomning in Ohio. Then the flood of letters describing the mounting problems others had with their seats almost made me call Corbin and cancel my order. Fortunately I did not and I am very pleased with my seat. It is the first motorcycle seat I have ever had in 32 years of riding that has not caused pain in my seat right down to the bone. I used to ache for days after a long ride and feel as though I'd ridden on a bare frame rather than a soft seat. The front part went on with no problem (it was tight but a good fit). The passanger seat mounted like everyone told me it would, 3 out of 4 bolts went in fine and the 4th was a pain. I had a friend sitting side saddle on the seat with all her weight directly over the bolt location and still could not get the bolt into the threaded hole. It was a hot August day and I wanted to get on the road for a 3 day trip so I used the classic "mechanic's persuader" and hammered the allen head bolt into allignment then screwed it in. I call it my security bolt now and am quite confident no one will be taking my passanger seat for their own bike. Maybe I can get an insurance discount for it:-) There is still a chance I may have my own horror story though. I noticed a small place on the right rear of the driver's seat where the trunk lid scrapes as it opens and closes. It's just enough to rub off a bit of the edging. I have an RMA number from Corbin to send it back for repair after my riding season is over. I've got my fingers crossed! Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" ttk@erinet.com,Internet writes: >> About six weeks ago I rode my '98 PC800 to the Corbin factory in >> Hollister to have a seat custom fitted. When they attempted to put the >> driver seat on the bike it was terribly apparent that there was no way >> it was going to fit. >> >> I would make sure of the return policy before ordering it or better yet >> go to the factory in person so they can custom fit it and get everything >right >> before you leave. > >I'm not surprised their seat didn't fit because Corbin is living on a >past >reputation. I've had personal experience with several different Corbin >seats and each was an ordeal. It took many calls and each time I >called, I had to talk to a different person who didn't know who I was >so had to start all over. Of course it always ended with an empty >promise that my seat would be to me in x-weeks. I had to repeat this >process too many times and I don't think their final product was worth >the wait. > >My friends have also had similar or even worse experiences with >Corbin so I'm not an unusual case. Let them make their money on >boots and electric city cars. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "The Broeking's" To: Subject: PC800: Custom Seat - but not lower? Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:09:47 -0400 I am planning getting into some LDR (long Distance Riding) in the near future and the replacement of the stock seat is a must IMHO. I would enjoy a Corbin but they actually lower the position about 1" (closer to the ground) At 6'3" thats not an option. Does anyone have a Russell for a PC or another LDR comfortable seat that does not lower the position at least or maybe even raises it 1" or less? Bob Bob Broeking in Springfield, VA.... http://whitespider.aawsom.net "I'll get the rope..."Anderl Hinterstoisser, North Face of the Eiger, July 19th, 1936... broeking@erols.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 21:18:32 -0400 From: Rich Thorne To: Scot Piper CC: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Modulator blinks at night? Scot, My experience with the Kisan is that placing your thumb over the sensor is not adequate to stop the modulating. Put a totally opaque object over it for the real test. I also thought a thumb would do it. Wrong. Perhaps it was becoming light when the modulator restarted. Riding into the night I found it modulated long into dusk, but when it stopped it did not falsely return to modulating. rich Scot Piper wrote: > > It's been about 2 weeks since I installed a Kisan headlight modulator. > It's worked fine until this morning. It was pitch black at 0600 when > I left for work. I rode 5 miles with the high beam on (no modulation) > then went to low beam in traffic. When I went back to high beam 5 > miles later, it started modulating. I could not get it to stop, no > matter what I did. The sensor is between the tank cover and the > handlebars - I even put my thumb over it. Any suggestions before I > call Kisan? > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Peter_N1@verifone.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org Subject: RE: PC800: Front End Problems Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:52:22 -0700 Greg, Thanks for the info. If the steering head bearings on my PC get to the point they need to be replaced (Races would most likely need to be replaced too), I will check into the tapered bearings. Peter Noeth || KE6ZJA || SF Bay Area, CA || '96 w/ 8k and loving every minuite! (time for service) > ---------- > From: Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org[SMTP:Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 1:12 PM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: PC800: Front End Problems > > > On Thu, Oct 1, 1998, 5:07:06 PM GMT Peter_N1@verifone.com wrote: > > > > I will have to remember the response about the tapered bearings. If these > >are > >so much better, then why didn't Honda use them, especially on a bike designed > >to > >be such a very low maintenance bike. Since part of the race for the head > >bearings is pressed into the steering head tube, and the other part is on the > >fork itself and the top nut, and are designed for round ball bearings, do the > >races need to changed to accomendate the tapered bearings? How much does this > >cost? > > I've never done it myself, but my machanic has installed tapered roller > bearings on 2 of my past bikes. He informed me both times that it's a > significant job to do and is best done by experienced mechanics. Basically, > the pressed-in races need to be removed from the frame (no easy task) and the > new races pressed back in their place. > > In past experiences, though, the end result has always been worth it (never > had to replace tapered steering head bearings once they're in). > > Greg Torok > 97 PC800 > Bellingham, WA > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: LRaeMiller@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:58:25 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: destill@foxinternet.net Subject: Re: PC800: New to the list... In a message dated 10/1/1998 3:15:52 PM Central Daylight Time, destill@foxinternet.net writes: > The PC sits next to my husband Goldwing and they make quite a pair. Donna, Welcome to the list! We have the same combination in our garage. Lynda Miller Wichita, KS 90 PC800 "Val" 16,200 miles - only 6,200 since I got it in February - we need to go ride! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jim_bene@pacbell.net Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 19:05:02 +0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Front End Problems There is a problem with the Steering Head bearings on most of the Honda bikes. The same bearings are used one bikes from the CRB600F3 through the ST1100 (and maybe on the Gold Wing ... I don't remember if it went that far). Honda will state that the bearings are adequate and for most riders (i.e. those that ride < 5,000 per year) this is probably true. I replaced the bearings on my '89 PC in 1990, then on my ST1100 in 1993, and plan to replace them on ny current '89 PC (44k miles) this winter. You won't believe the difference it makes. The front end feels more stable and on the ST1100 it was the only thing which stopped the head shake (read ... Tank slapper time). What is the difference in cost? About $5.00 retail, so I guess it would be about $2.00 at the time of manufacture. Doesn't make sense, but that is the way it happens. Cory's comments about the Wheel bearings are right on. They do need to be changed. I was suprised when I replaced my fork seals about 3 weeks ago that the Wheel bearings seemed pretty good, although I am going to replace them also. Just my .02, but it does have some experience and conversation with American Honda insiders behind it. (One Ride for Kids event which happened in Seattle while I was HSTA State director for Calforina happened at a convenient time, so I was able to go to it. Anyway, while talking with John Petas and Silvio Carerra [John is Exec VP for American Honda Motorcycles in US, and Silvio is one of his direct report VPs) were also riding down the coast. They asked me if I would ride with them. I agreed [of course]. For two days, we traveled down the coast. I had an opportunity to dicuss with them a few things. I had my ST at that point and I had just replace the Steering head bearings a few weeks before that. That was one of the things we talked about. On his return to Torrance, John had Doug Weiwood [I think that is Doug's last name] give me a call. Doug was head of the customer service division at that time. We talked about the Steering head bearings and then he checked into. He got back to me and said that the engineers had done analysis and determined in the exception case were the only time the tapered roller bearings would make a difference, and they had to make a decision somewhere. Since the bearings could safely be used on so many types of bikes, there was no reason to change them for the ST or any other bike they were used on. End of the story) Peter_N1@verifone.com wrote: > [snipped items] > All, > > I will have to remember the response about the tapered bearings. If these are > so much better, then why didn't Honda use them, especially on a bike designed to > be such a very low maintenance bike. Since part of the race for the head > bearings is pressed into the steering head tube, and the other part is on the > fork itself and the top nut, and are designed for round ball bearings, do the > races need to changed to accomendate the tapered bearings? How much does this > cost? > > Peter Noeth || KE6ZJA || SF Bay Area, CA || '96 w/ 8k and loving every minuite! -- Jim Alexander (I'm Baaaccckkkk) HSTA# 2307SU 89 PC800 (for now) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jim_bene@pacbell.net Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 19:08:12 +0300 To: Peter_N1@verifone.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, REINHARB@ASAMRA.HOFFMAN.ARMY.MIL Subject: Re: PC800: Front End Problems I should have mentioned one thing about American Honda and John Petas' position. He is responsible for motorcycle SALES and Marketing, not the engineering staff. They can make suggestions, but can not mandate what should happen. He is an all around wonderful guy as is Silvio Carrerra. -- Jim Alexander (I'm Baaaccckkkk) HSTA# 2307SU 89 PC800 (for now) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: annreid@juno.com by x16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQH66UBX; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:26:17 EDT To: Peter_N1@verifone.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:30:23 -0700 Subject: PC800: Wind Q & A = More Q's Peter, Are your PC-Wind experiences the same with a full tank of gas as with minimal gas? What about trunk contents/weight? Center of gravity affecting handling .... maybe? I just sorta go with flow and try to adapt to the situation .... wind, rain, toronadoes, hail, everything except dirt and gravel. (Said Ms. Para Noid. AKA: Dirt-O-Phobic) Ann-The-Curious '89 PC-az Ghost Thu. 10.1.98 18:25 MST ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: annreid@juno.com by x16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQH66T9K; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:26:17 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:04:53 -0700 Subject: PC800: RIDING RULES #1-3 These rules are good for wind, no wind, passed wind, downwind, upwind, side wind, blah blah blah..... RULE #1: RELAX: Breath In. Breath Out. Breath In. Breath Out. It feels good. No calories. And it's healthy. RULE #2: CHANT: The bike wants to stay up. The bike wants to stay up. The bike wants to stay up. Pretty soon, you'll believe it's true. And IT IS! RULE #3: Repeat #1 and #2 as needed. Ann '89 PC-az Ghost-A-Lyzer (A breathalyzer for fresh air bikers.) Thu. 10.1.98 18:00 MST P.S. This is a recyclable message. Print it out. Save it till Dec. and burn it in the the fireplace for a warm fuzzy feeling. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: annreid@juno.com by x16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQH694CK; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:28:04 EDT To: Peter_N1@verifone.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:30:23 -0700 Subject: PC800: Wind Q & A = More Q's Peter, Are your PC-Wind experiences the same with a full tank of gas as with minimal gas? What about trunk contents/weight? Center of gravity affecting handling .... maybe? I just sorta go with flow and try to adapt to the situation .... wind, rain, toronadoes, hail, everything except dirt and gravel. (Said Ms. Para Noid. AKA: Dirt-O-Phobic) Ann-The-Curious '89 PC-az Ghost Thu. 10.1.98 18:25 MST ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: annreid@juno.com by x16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQH693FU; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:28:03 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:04:53 -0700 Subject: PC800: RIDING RULES #1-3 These rules are good for wind, no wind, passed wind, downwind, upwind, side wind, blah blah blah..... RULE #1: RELAX: Breath In. Breath Out. Breath In. Breath Out. It feels good. No calories. And it's healthy. RULE #2: CHANT: The bike wants to stay up. The bike wants to stay up. The bike wants to stay up. Pretty soon, you'll believe it's true. And IT IS! RULE #3: Repeat #1 and #2 as needed. Ann '89 PC-az Ghost-A-Lyzer (A breathalyzer for fresh air bikers.) Thu. 10.1.98 18:00 MST P.S. This is a recyclable message. Print it out. Save it till Dec. and burn it in the the fireplace for a warm fuzzy feeling. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jim_bene@pacbell.net Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 19:26:52 +0300 To: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Re: PC800: New to the list... OK, to all those new to the list, we are working on an .AVI file which will show and explain how to do the secret handshake so that you won't feel embarrassed when you me anyone else on the list. Just keep reading and a reference will pop-up soon! ;-) -- Jim Alexander (I'm Baaaccckkkk) HSTA# 2307SU 89 PC800 (for now) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. env-from (davidwh@crl.com) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Kong" To: "pc800 list" , "Michael Toler" , "Gordon & Mary Lewis" , Subject: PC800: The Estimate: One for the deer Part III Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:34:38 -0500 Ooooohhhhhh, this is ugly. This is REALLY UGLY. I got my estimate from Alamo Cycleplex today on Torchy, the PC800 the doe hit last week. I'll breakdown and post everything this weekend, but here's the quickie part. Parts: $7,783.69 Labor: $1,106.70 for 18.20 hours. Sales Tax 607.52 Total for a doe hit at 20 mph: $9,553.25 Now we get to see what Dairyland Insurance does. I'm going to spend the weekend calling Texas dealers and looking for another PC800. I like the trunk and the idea of an affordable mini-tourer. Kong 98PC800 Torchy RIP August 6, 1998 - September 24, 1998 San Antonio, TX -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:27:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Miller Subject: PC800: Oil Filter To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Fellow Listers: I'm planning to change my oil soon, using Mobil 1. I went by a local independent bike shop today and bought a Fram oil filter for under 9 bucks. I was just wondering what Honda charges for a filter. Anybody bought one lately? Dumb question, I know. Even if it was a couple of dollars more than the stealer would charge here in Gainesville, I would still buy from the independent shop. My local Honda stealer is not going to get any more of my money if I can help it. They are the worst excuse for a service department that I've ever seen. Pathetic! Tony Miller == My homepage URL is http://members.tripod.com/~tlmiller/ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:40:39 -0500 To: rthorne@erols.com, Scot Piper From: Doug Subject: Re: PC800: Modulator blinks at night? Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu My modulator works while sitting at idle...put thumb on it and it goes off,, works perfect...run rpms up to 2800,,starts modulating ,,,won't stop until rpms go back down,,, HELP? or do I call them ,,, Doug At 09:18 PM 10/1/98 -0400, Rich Thorne wrote: >Scot, > >My experience with the Kisan is that placing your thumb over the sensor >is not adequate to stop the modulating. Put a totally opaque object >over it for the real test. I also thought a thumb would do it. Wrong. > >Perhaps it was becoming light when the modulator restarted. Riding into >the night I found it modulated long into dusk, but when it stopped it >did not falsely return to modulating. > >rich > > >Scot Piper wrote: >> >> It's been about 2 weeks since I installed a Kisan headlight modulator. >> It's worked fine until this morning. It was pitch black at 0600 when >> I left for work. I rode 5 miles with the high beam on (no modulation) >> then went to low beam in traffic. When I went back to high beam 5 >> miles later, it started modulating. I could not get it to stop, no >> matter what I did. The sensor is between the tank cover and the >> handlebars - I even put my thumb over it. Any suggestions before I >> call Kisan? >> >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 23:31:09 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: Tony Miller CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Oil Filter <> What are you going to do when you REALLY need a part and he is no longer there? -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 21:41:18 -0700 From: Roger Pariseau To: Tony Miller CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Oil Filter Tony Miller wrote: > I ... bought a Fram oil filter for under 9 bucks. I was just > wondering what Honda charges for a filter. Anybody bought one > lately? Dumb question, I know. The better part of $11. The Fram version (PF6017) sells for just under $4 at Pep Boys. I don't mind helping out my local dealer but most of their prices are ridiculous. Like selling a $2 (to them) filter for $11. Couldn't bear the freight for a PC so I got a '96 CB750 Nighthawk instead. Only had 1800 miles on it and -- you guessed it! -- the oil was cruddy! -- Roger -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "HPCE Gerard" To: "Cory" , , "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Front End Problems Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:16:12 +0200 > I've been told that the front weel bearing situation is one of the few > chronic, real problem that the PC has. It seems that the front axel is of > fairly large diameter, thereby requiring that the bearings have a fairly > large hole, thereby requiring the use of smaller than usual steel balls > inside the bearings, thereby causing shorter life. Last friday I had to change the bearings as well after approx. 16,000 miles. Talking about a shorteer life! Gerard -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 05:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 05:39:26 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: I need advice about my riding-- wind Hi, All: Peter writes: << The PC seems to correct this by itself. I have experimented with this by loosly holding on to the handlebars and concentrating on NOT applying countersteer while riding in cross winds. The PC sure seems to be correcting on its own. >> Yes, Peter, it does; this is exactly the "automatic" behavior under discussion in this thread--both now and several times in the past. It really does it, and other bikes I currently own or have ridden in the past 45 years either don't, or if they do, not to the same degree or with the same consistency. It isn't psychological as some have suggested, not an unconscious rider input. Like you, I have experimented with it using my throttle lock and hands off during gusting crosswinds, and the effect is real. The only real question is why, and the fender design is the only explanation so far that even approaches consistency with the basic principles of motorcycle dynamics and control. Of course, if the 97's and 98's also exhibit this behavior, then we must look elsewhere for the cause. So far, there is still no answer from the owners of the newer machines on this score. Now that they are aware of the issue, I suspect they will be sensitive to the question and provide us with the information we currently lack. 'Til then, we shall have to wait and simply enjoy the way the older bikes handle crosswinds. :) J.T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQJ4D8V3; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 06:57:08 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: grinder@west.net Cc: tonylmiller@yahoo.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:54:30 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Oil Filter From: miketwh@juno.com (Mike T Whited) You may want to check the Fram book again, The filter I use is PH 6017A. It's also used on the ST Mike Whited ' 94 PC >The better part of $11. The Fram version (PF6017) sells for just >under >$4 at Pep Boys. > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQJ4D8R2; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 06:57:08 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: tonylmiller@yahoo.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:47:56 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Oil Filter From: miketwh@juno.com (Mike T Whited) $9.00 for a Fram is high. I usally pay between $5 & $6 but found them as low as $3.60 Mike Whited ' 94 PC On Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:27:26 -0700 (PDT) Tony Miller writes: >Fellow Listers: > >I'm planning to change my oil soon, using Mobil 1. I went by a local >independent bike shop today and bought a Fram oil filter for under 9 >bucks. I was just wondering what Honda charges for a filter. Anybody >bought one lately? Dumb question, I know. > >Even if it was a couple of dollars more than the stealer would charge >here in Gainesville, I would still buy from the independent shop. My >local Honda stealer is not going to get any more of my money if I can >help it. They are the worst excuse for a service department that I've >ever seen. Pathetic! > >Tony Miller > > >== >My homepage URL is http://members.tripod.com/~tlmiller/ > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by saffron (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id EAA05169; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 04:14:09 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Sattin, Harvey" To: "'PLeray@aol.com'" Cc: "'X PC 800 List'" Subject: RE: PC800: Carb Synch and Glovebox Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:09:32 -0400 Patrick, I used the Sears Craftsman 8" #2 Phillips screwdriver and it was more than long enough. When you remove the shelter cover there's an oblong rubber grommet at the rear center. If you shine a flashlight through this hole you can spot the screw a little forward of the hole. Catching it with the screwdriver is difficult though. Trying this through a top shelter hole would be impossible. It's no big deal to remove the driver's seat and the shelter cover. I'm posting this to the list as we may get a helpful hint from someone with experience. My PC still thumps a little at idle even with the carbs synchronized. Good luck. Harvey Sattin, Brookline, MA '98 PC800W, 1100 miles, "Rhonda" > -----Original Message----- > From: PLeray@aol.com [SMTP:PLeray@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 12:49 PM > To: h.sattin@neccsd.com > Subject: Re: PC800: Carb Synch and Glovebox > > > Harvey, > > Just in time, you pop up!! I'm in the process of gettint ready to > synch > my carbs. We're at 700 miles and "Thumper Rabbit" is thumping a bit more > than > it should. > > Found my old set of mercury vacuum balancing gauges (CarbStiks), so > that > part's covered. But before I start peeling tupperware, I wanted to be > sure I > had the appropriate length phillips-head screwdriver. I have a buddy who > welds, and he's offered to take an old screwdriver, cut it, and weld on > the > appropriate length of rod to the center. > > Problem is, I'm just guessing at how long to tell him to make it. > Since > you've just done it, does a shaft length (tip to handle) of 18" seem > reasonable?? 20"? And is a #2 phillips (the medium-sized one) the right > tip > for the adjuster screw? > > Regarding your question about finding the little bastid. That's what > I > was afraid of. > My buddy has suggested that once I do it, I determine where on the "top- > shelter" an access point might be directly in-line to the errant screw. > Then > drill an access hole and plug it with the appropriate size rubber/plastic > plug > from a hardware store. Thereby giving the ability to balance more > frequently > by just taking off the side cover to get to the carb vents. > > I told him that since I hadn't heard from any one on the group as to > the > true mechanical-isms of this (and still getting ready for my first time), > I'd > ask around. > > And suddenly THERE YOU ARE ! So, whadda you think as to the > length of > the screwdriver shaft? How long do I tell him to make it? > > Patrick in La. > '97 Thumper Rabbit > > > > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by saffron (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id EAA05189; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 04:21:36 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Sattin, Harvey" To: "'ttk@erinet.com'" Cc: "'X PC 800 List'" Subject: RE: PC800: Carb Synch Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:17:00 -0400 Tosh, This device has four tubes or gauges. There's no adjustment. The four tubes run down to a reservoir full of mercury. The engine vacuum sucks the mercury up the tubes. Turn the adjusting screw until the columns of mercury are even, then try at about 3,000 RPM. Be very careful to increase/decrease the throttle speed gradually so you don't suck the mercury into the engine. (If you do, just run it for ten minutes to clear it out and it should be okay.) Great idea you have for calibrating the mechanical gauges. I noticed that Whitney sells these too but they are more money, would be harder to read than two columns of mercury side-by-side, and I doubt their accuracy would be as good. Thanks for the hint. -Harvey Sattin, Brookline, MA '98PC 1100 miles "Rhonda" > -----Original Message----- > From: Tosh Konya [SMTP:ttk@erinet.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 6:11 PM > To: Sattin, Harvey > Subject: Re: PC800: Carb Synch > > > > My '98 PC had 1100 miles on it and it was off by 2". > > Does this JC Whitney device have two or more gauges? > If it does, the gauges need to be checked/adjusted > before starting actual carb synch. > > A fast way to do this is to connect gauge vacuum lines to > a "t-fitting," which is then connected to the cylinder. With > both gauges receiving vacuum from the same cylinder > they should have identical readings. The length of hose > and from the t-fitting to the gauge should be identical. > > If the gauge readings differ, the plastic face needs to be > removed and the needle moved. Retest and see if the > readings are now identical. If it's Ok, now you can > start carb synch. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 07:56:54 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: Tony Miller CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Oil Filter Tony Miller wrote: > > Fellow Listers: > > I'm planning to change my oil soon, using Mobil 1. I went by a local > independent bike shop today and bought a Fram oil filter for under 9 > bucks. I was just wondering what Honda charges for a filter. Anybody > bought one lately? Dumb question, I know. > > Even if it was a couple of dollars more than the stealer would charge > here in Gainesville, I would still buy from the independent shop. My > local Honda stealer is not going to get any more of my money if I can > help it. They are the worst excuse for a service department that I've > ever seen. Pathetic! > > Tony Miller Tony, The last Honda filters I purchased were a case for $65. That is $6.50 a piece. Best price I have seen in a while. Got it at a GWTA rally from a vendor. If you cannot go to a rally, any rally (usually have the best prices), there are several mail orders (I purchased another case a year or so ago for $70 plus $8 shipping, or $7.80 a piece). If anyone is interested, email me and I will look up the mail order houses (they have 1-800 numbers) for you. I use Fram filters for my cars because they have consistently been given high ratings by Consumers Reports. But I like the Honda line for the bikes (but lets not start that thread again). I buy by the case because all Honda bikes (least I have been told) use the same filter. At least the PC, Wing and ACE all use the same one, that I know for sure. TommyTeal (recovering nicely thank you). -- 93SE (Teal, You Think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast 98V-Star Classic (Red, you bet) GWTA #6871 GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JRBPilot@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:42:41 EDT To: ROBJHALL@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: RE: To take the plunge or not?? I bought a '96 for $5,800 in August. It only had 950 miles on it and was in pristine condition. Based on when it was actually sold for the first time, the dealer I got it from still had 2 years of the original 3 yr. warranty. I think I got a good deal considering how hard a good PC is to come by. Hope this helps. Jeff in Cincinnati '96 PC 1220 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JRBPilot@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:46:09 EDT To: johnla@yahoo.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 Available The PC's must just be harder to come by here in Cincinnati. When I go mine, I had to travel out of town to a small Honda dealer in Rarden, OH. When I was looking for one, (none of the shops in town had one) most of the dealers said they could order one, but it would take several months and be $8700 (even though Honda lowered their price in July). -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Brad Herndon" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:49:06 -0500 Subject: PC800: Pinhead I thought you listers might be interested in hearing a little story. I was in my local Honda dealer shopping for a riding Jacket. I research stuff quite a bit before I buy so I had a pretty good idea of what I wanted. Well, I'm checking out the stuff and up walks the salesperson. He asks if he can help and I tell him that I'm looking at some jackets and checking out some other stuff, you know, killing a lunch hour.... Well, here he goes..... "What do want that jacket for?" he asks. "Protection and comfort" I respond. "Well protection and safety is my main thing. And if you need help with any of these, they are my forte. I've been riding for 18 years and I've had a lot of experience riding"....blah.....blah.....blah.... Then this guy launches into stories of racing, 3rd gear wheelie stands, outrunning the cops, vouching for the jacket I'm looking at because a buddy of his went down wearing one doing 80mph!!! All of this on the street!! Protection and safety is his main thing! This guy was so self absorbed he couldn't see straight. He's 20 something but claims to ride street for 18 years. Let's see...I'm having a little trouble with that math. He continued on for another 10 minutes telling stories of racing, crashing, how he had riden all of these different bikes so he knew personally what their top speed was.........DUMB! His point was not to help you with any merchandise selection but to convince anyone who would listen how smart and ride-savvy he was!! I guess my point is, this is a guy representing the Honda dealer. Not only is he hypocritical in his views but his delivery is so pompous and annoying that I couldn't wait to get out of there. I guess I'm just amazed at the stupidity of some people. This is the kind of guy who's riding style stereotypes all motorcyclists in the eyes of non-riders as being reckless and dangerous. My idea of successful and enjoyable riding is not to see how crash resistant all of my safety equipment is!!! I say if this guy is such a daredevil, he should be on a track somewhere, not ass-whipping potential customers in a motorcycle shop. Then again, why isn't he on the race circuit? Could he be...... LYING!! Anyway, I'd had about all of his BS I could stand so I said...."You know, I ride for enjoyment, not to try to prove how big my pen#s is...." He pretty much quit talking to me after that. Brad Herndon, Mesquite, TX 98' PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 08:56:52 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: Brad Herndon CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Pinhead Brad Herndon wrote: > Anyway, I'd had about all of his BS I could stand so I said...."You know, I > ride for enjoyment, not to try to prove how big my pen#s is...." > > He pretty much quit talking to me after that. > > Brad Herndon, > Mesquite, TX 98' PC800 I LOVE that line! Can we all use it or have you got a copy right on it? ;-) BTW, did he also cut down your choice of ride? Sounds like someone who would only give respect to someone else riding a crotch rocket. Time to find another dealer? Ride Safe TommyTeal -- 93SE (Teal, You Think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast 98V-Star Classic (Red, you bet) GWTA #6871 GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: brian.hopkins@L3.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Oil Filter Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:14:52 -0600 $8.50 and then usually us good customers get another 10% off that. Try mail ordering from Honda of Milpitas, or planet or competition accessories. Brian D. Hopkins Denver Colorado '97 PC800 '96 VFR HSTA #8274 HRCA CO-VFR "He moves rapidly following the path of him the much-praised, other goers cannot overtake him though he is moving easily..." -----Original Message----- From: Tony Miller [SMTP:tonylmiller@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 8:27 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Oil Filter Fellow Listers: I'm planning to change my oil soon, using Mobil 1. I went by a local independent bike shop today and bought a Fram oil filter for under 9 bucks. I was just wondering what Honda charges for a filter. Anybody bought one lately? Dumb question, I know. Even if it was a couple of dollars more than the stealer would charge here in Gainesville, I would still buy from the independent shop. My local Honda stealer is not going to get any more of my money if I can help it. They are the worst excuse for a service department that I've ever seen. Pathetic! Tony Miller == My homepage URL is http://members.tripod.com/~tlmiller/ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:24:15 EDT To: h.sattin@neccsd.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Carb Synch and Glovebox In a message dated 10/1/98 7:18:38 AM Central Daylight Time, h.sattin@neccsd.com writes: << I also got Neill Thompson's PC Glovebox. >> Umm, Yo, What's the deal on the "glovebox" thingy..... TZ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Chiodini, Charles SGM" To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:25:03 -0400 Fellow listers: 1) For all your wood trim needs (a la Gold Wing) try Southeastern Automotive Specialties Inc. Mr. Floyd Batten has a fact sheet that he can send you outlining the options available for the PC800. I bought the South American wood dash piece that surrounds the instruments. It cost me $55 (ouch!) but was very high quality, fit perfectly and the service Floyd provided with a personal phone call was refreshing by today's standards. Besides, it makes me smile every time I look at the dash! I'm a very satisfied customer! Southeastern Automotive Specialties Jacksonville (904) 292-2398 P.O Box 56795 Toll Free 1-800-966-3324 Jacksonville, FL 32241 Fax (904) 292-3919 sasiwood@aol.com 2) For that sore butt, try a "Butt Buffer" seat pad or insert. I had an insert installed at the Honda Hoot and paid $104 out the door. He removed my cover, cut out some of the original seat foam and installed the insert. You can't tell mine from stock until you take a seat. Firms up the seat and adds a few hours of comfort in my opinion. Claim is that this isn't a leaky gel but a "dry polymer". They also make a seat pad if you don't want you stock seat altered. Wanner Associates (717) 859-5699 P.O Box 283 1-800-804-0712 Brownstown, PA 17508 Fax (717) 859-1065 3) Just installed a K&N filter that I ordered directly from the factory ($39.80). Easy installation, remember to remove the large O-ring seals on both the top and bottom of the airbox or it might leak. It might be "new part syndrome" but I swear that I can feel a difference in acceleration and smoothness of power delivery. Won't have time to give mpg figures right now. My airbox re-glue job described a few weeks ago is working like a charm. No more oil seeps! 4) A suggestion to find the carb sync screw. Remove the airbox (just four screws) paint the screw white or some other bright color. Next time you shine the flashlight down the hole, that little screw will jump into view. Once you do get your screwdriver in the screw, maintain slight pressure on it during the adjustment procedure (it will move as you move the throttle) and you won't have to relocate it more than once (if you're lucky!). 5) I'm deploying on a military mission to Panama tomorrow, new e-mail address is: chiodinc@soc.mil. Be advised this is the Special Operations government net so "Big Brother" is watching! For you military interested, check out our websites: http://asociweb/ http://asociweb/sfc/7sfg/7intro.htm 6) "Red Riders"/ "East Coasters", your party favors are in the mail! Thanks again for a very enjoyable time. Enjoy the Ride! Chuck Chiodini (Just another day in paradise! Panama!!!!!) 89 PC800 "Scooter" (locked up in my living room, wahhhhhh!) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Tony Miller cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Oil Filter of "Thu, 01 Oct 1998 19:27:26 PDT." <19981002022726.26638.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 09:03:15 -0500 Tony Miller writes: > Fellow Listers: > > I'm planning to change my oil soon, using Mobil 1. I went by a local > independent bike shop today and bought a Fram oil filter for under 9 > bucks. I was just wondering what Honda charges for a filter. Anybody > bought one lately? Dumb question, I know. The PC800 oil filter is the same as the GL1500. At Wing Ding XX I purchased (4) genuine Honda filters from the dealer floor. Am forgetting exactly what I paid but it worked out to either $4 each or $6 each. Much less than the $12 I paid a local Honda dealer a month prior. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 10:02:45 -0400 From: Richard Stafford To: "Reinhardt, Bob" CC: "'PC800'" Subject: Re: PC800: Front End Problems Reinhardt, Bob wrote: > > Has anyone had problems with the front end on their PC's?? > > My '95 Coaster is handling kind of strange with the front end feeling very > weird, loose and kind of sloppy....much like a car with very worn shock > absorbers. > > I'd love to hear some thoughts, opinions, advice, etc. Thanks! > > Bob Reinhardt > 1995 Pacific Coast 13K miles Bob, I have the original bearings in my 90. 97,000+, I can however feel a slight play when I grab the front forks and check for play. (have someone hold the back end down so the front wheel is off the ground.) The bike has no ill handling characteristics as you are describing. Good Luck. Dick -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Spain, Harrison" To: "'Kong'" Cc: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: RE: PC800: The Estimate: One for the deer Part III Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:13:18 -0700 WOW! I had no idea that much damage was done to your cycle! WOW! I'm glad Bambi stays away from the freeways here in Southern California! :-) Harrison -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Kong [mailto:davidwh@crl.com] Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 7:35 PM To: pc800 list; Michael Toler; Gordon & Mary Lewis; dreed@bio.tamu.edu Subject: PC800: The Estimate: One for the deer Part III Ooooohhhhhh, this is ugly. This is REALLY UGLY. I got my estimate from Alamo Cycleplex today on Torchy, the PC800 the doe hit last week. I'll breakdown and post everything this weekend, but here's the quickie part. Parts: $7,783.69 Labor: $1,106.70 for 18.20 hours. Sales Tax 607.52 Total for a doe hit at 20 mph: $9,553.25 Now we get to see what Dairyland Insurance does. I'm going to spend the weekend calling Texas dealers and looking for another PC800. I like the trunk and the idea of an affordable mini-tourer. Kong 98PC800 Torchy RIP August 6, 1998 - September 24, 1998 San Antonio, TX -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:41:17 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 07:32:36 -0700 From: Neill and Stephanie To: GuntherSki@aol.com CC: h.sattin@neccsd.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: PC800: Re: Glovebox web page GuntherSki@aol.com wrote: > > > What's the deal on the "glovebox" thingy..... > The PC800 Glovebox now has it's own web page: http://members.tripod.com/`pc800/glovebox.html This page is also available from the "Modifications" menu at: http://members.tripod.com/`pc800/index.html Here is the text: The PC800 Glovebox is specifically designed for the Honda Pacific Coast. This photo of a PC800 Glovebox may also be viewed at: http://members.tripod.com/~pc800/images/pc80076.jpg The PC800 Glovebox is made of heavy water resistant Cordura fabric and mounts neatly between the handlebars. It attaches with simple yet sturdy Velcro straps. No drilling, cutting, or gluing of any kind has to be done to your bike. The PC800 Glovebox features a clear vinyl map pocket window on the top. The map pocket will hold a standard US size roadmap or even a small garage door remote. When you have to leave your bike, the PC800 Glovebox detaches quickly and easily. The attaching straps tuck in behind a flap, which cleverly conceals a belt with a quick release buckle so you can easily wear your PC800 Glovebox around your waist. Tank bags can interfere with the starter or horn buttons on sharp turns, but not the PC800 Glovebox. Tank bags typically interfere with access to the gas tank filler door, but not the PC800 Glovebox. From the picture, it looks like the bag might interfere with your line of sight to the instruments. It doesn't, but just to be sure, sit on your bike and lay a long ruler across the tops of brake and clutch reservoirs. If you can see your instruments over the ruler, you will be able to see them over the PC800 Glovebox. The PC800 Glovebox also does not interfere with access to the ignition switch or choke. The PC800 Glovebox is available in a wide variety of colors: Aqua Black Dark brown Dark sage Eggplant Forest green Medium charcoal gray Mustard Navy Red Tan Turquoise White The Medium charcoal gray would look great on any model year! The PC800 Glovebox is available for purchase for $39.00 plus $3.00 for shipping. (Shipping outside of the U.S. is $7.00). Handling is free! Within the US, shipping will be by Priority Mail (2-3 days). Outside the US shipping will be by Global Priority (typically 4-5 days). If you are interested send a check or money order (in US dollars) to: Neill Thompson 3329 E. Blackhawk Dr. Phoenix, AZ 85050 If you email me (neillnsteph@hotmail.com) and let me know that the check is in the mail I can try to make sure that I have one on hand to ship out as soon as your check arrives. Be sure to specify your choice of color both in your email and with your check. If your waist measurement is greater than 48", specify with your order. Here's what owners are saying: I just got my Thompson PC Bar Bag (TPC-BB), CUSTOM MADE FOR PC. It's wonderful! It's the answer to my tank bag toot and starter screech problems. --Ann Reid It's perfect for storing your cell phone, glasses, camera, etc. and you can hold more in that space than you realize. It goes on/off quickly with Velcro and it's also a fanny pack. It's well worth the money. --Harvey Sattin -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "'X PC 800 List'" From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Carb Synch of "Fri, 02 Oct 1998 07:17:00 EDT." <319FED596A33D1119A8A00A0C9315C37894147@boxexch12.neccsd.com> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 09:44:56 -0500 "Sattin, Harvey" writes: > Great idea you have for calibrating the mechanical gauges. I noticed that > Whitney sells these too but they are more money, would be harder to read > than two columns of mercury side-by-side, and I doubt their accuracy would > be as good. Thanks for the hint. The accuracy of a mercury manometer is exactly as good as the lesser of 1) consistency of gravity between parallel tubes 2) can't ignore gravitational effects of mercury in adjacent tubes 3) consistency of density of mercury 4) your eyesight. #4 is probably the weakest. :-) Other than its status as a hazardous material, the mercury gauges have every advantage over the mechanical. Including natural damping. If you try to use an automotive mechanical vacuum gauge on your motorcycle the needle will swing -8psi to -30psi with every combustion cycle. Once Upon A Time I got the great idea to make my own carb sync tool. Decided I only needed to know the difference between the 2 cylinders, not any absolute measure. Bought about 25' of clear vinyl tubing. Filled it mostly with motor oil. Connected to two carbs. Fired the bike up. And it sucked the motor oil right into the engine. Motor oil didn't have the right properties: vacuum on both sides sucked it apart and pulled it into both carbs. Purchased a mercury manometer from Dennis Kirk or JC Whitney. Good value for under $30 as it had better adapters for connecting the hoses. Plus there were restrictors to put in the hoses to further dampen the pulses. Restrictors were no more than plugs with a pinhole. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: gwta@voyager.net cc: Tony Miller , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Oil Filter of "Fri, 02 Oct 1998 07:56:54 EDT." <3614BF85.10A8@voyager.net> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 09:30:57 -0500 Thomas Ongstad writes: > I use Fram filters for my cars because they have consistently been given > high ratings by Consumers Reports. But I like the Honda line for the > bikes (but lets not start that thread again). I buy by the case because > all Honda bikes (least I have been told) use the same filter. At least > the PC, Wing and ACE all use the same one, that I know for sure. When was the last time Consumer Reports *tested* oil filters? That was, what?, 20 years ago? I used to use Fram in my cars. Noticed over the years the Fram filters got lighter and lighter. Then the Honda Accord filter went from a large can to one about the same size as a PC800 oil filter. Later noticed Fram selling snake oil filters: ones with a Teflon time-release additive (as in "Slick-50's original claim to fame.") Won't go into it here but I believe teflon in motor oil is a bad thing. If Fram is so stupid as to trade their good name for a me-too snake oil scheme, then I don't trust them. Purchased in 4 to 6 quantity, via mail, OEM oil filters are not expensive. Especially when I'm also using Mobil-1. Genuine Nissan/ Infiniti oil filters for my G20 are less than $4 each. Have already discussed Honda PC800 filters. Even Porsche oil filters are in the $6 range. The Nissan oil filter appears to be really top of the line. Its impossible to tell simply by looking but the metal case is much thicker than a Fram. Cutting one apart, there is much more filter mass inside. And the Nissan filter comes with a clear plastic seal preventing crud and moisture from entering the filter before you install it. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lcshepp@ibm.net Date: Fri, 02 Oct 98 07:33:20 +0000 To: jim_bene@pacbell.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Front End Problems Hi Jim, >> There is a problem with the Steering Head bearings on most of the Honda bikes. The << Interesting. Look at the miles I have on mine and I have no noticeable problem with the bearings on mine. No shake, etc. I often lock the throttle and with both hands off the bars peel back the gauntlet on my glove to check my wristwatch. Even on somewhat bumpy pavement I've done this with no ill effects, no shaking. Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 115,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lcshepp@ibm.net Date: Fri, 02 Oct 98 08:21:08 +0000 To: hsta@cybrtown.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Front End Problems Hi Cory, >> I have been told by the most experienced PC rider I know that he, just as a matter of standard practice, changes out the front wheel bearings with every other new front tire. << FWIW... My bike still has the original bearings in it. And to the best of my recollection, nothing has ever been done to them. I'm always there when my mechanic does the service, visiting with him, looking over stuff on the bike, etc. I'm on my seventh set of tires; I've seen him dismount, mount and balance every set, etc. There is, nothing in the maintenance list except inspection. The bike handles beautifully (and after replacing the plug wires) and runs (and handles) like it did when it was new. Granted that I don't stress it a lot since much of my mileage is straight up freeway riding. But, on weekends, I'm carving corners in the canyons and I don't feel any problems at all. Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 115,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lcshepp@ibm.net Date: Fri, 02 Oct 98 08:13:42 +0000 To: BobDuWah@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Introduction of a MD. 95PC800 rider Hi Bob, >> Now wait a minute, you actually want us to believe you have over 100k without changing the brakes !! Is that really possible unless you run into stuff to stop. << Damn, my secret is out. My front tire/wheel is oval from stopping that way for so long but I had hoped no one would notice. (big grin) Actually, yes. I use the engine so extensively for braking that I don't use the brakes at all (as a rule) unless: 1) I misjudge the distance or 2) it's an emergency. I'm usually in 1st gear before I touch the brakes and usually at no more than a few mph. Also, since I commute 95 miles per day on a freeway at times other than rush hour (I go in about noon and come home about 9PM), the only time my brakes come into play much are when I arrive at work and again when I get home at night. Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 115,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:56:13 -0700 (PDT) From: John La Subject: PC800: used wing things To: annreid@juno.com Cc: pclist When I sell used MC parts that are in good condition, My rule of thumb is to ask +\- 50% of new price, so when the time comes, I may ask something like $75 for the OE wingthing. I might also keep it in case I ever get another PC someday. Since drilling holes is required, it's not the kind of accessory you can take off the PC when you sell it. Ride safe! John ---annreid@juno.com wrote: > > John, > > Thanks for the update and timetable. I got an email from Philips > and sent him my office address and phone numbers as requested. I am > eagerly awaiting the wing. Thanks again for all your help in getting me > onbaord. > > John Louk (swift24@juno.com) wanted to know what a fair price to > ask for his old red ('90 PC) wing would be when he gets his new Hong Kong > Wing? I know you'll be selling yours, too. If you have an idea of > price, please email him direct with any info/ideas. > > "Hi" to Gale and hope you both are doing well and riding a lot. > We did Tucson and Mt. Lemmon last weekend. I was in a seminar all day to > day. *YAARG* > > TTYL > Ann > Thu. 10.1.98 18:55 MST > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > == PC800 FAQ now online! Check it out- http://hhd.csun.edu/john/pcfaq.htm _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@kpt1.tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:12:37 -0400 (EDT) From: James R Randall To: "Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council" cc: PC800 List Subject: Re: PC800: Front End Problems Actually, this is not terribly difficult given the right tools. The steering head nut is quite large (I think I recall 24mm) and you need a socket to get it off and on. Removing the old races is a piece of cake (hammer and drift). "Pressing" the new tapered races in is not difficult either but does require paying attention to get them in straight and undamaged. The biggest problem on the PC is that you can't get to any of this stuff without removing a lot of plastic! On Thu, 1 Oct 1998, Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 1, 1998, 5:07:06 PM GMT Peter_N1@verifone.com wrote: > > > > I will have to remember the response about the tapered bearings. If these > >are > >so much better, then why didn't Honda use them, especially on a bike designed > >to > >be such a very low maintenance bike. Since part of the race for the head > >bearings is pressed into the steering head tube, and the other part is on the > >fork itself and the top nut, and are designed for round ball bearings, do the > >races need to changed to accomendate the tapered bearings? How much does this > >cost? > > I've never done it myself, but my machanic has installed tapered roller > bearings on 2 of my past bikes. He informed me both times that it's a > significant job to do and is best done by experienced mechanics. Basically, > the pressed-in races need to be removed from the frame (no easy task) and the > new races pressed back in their place. > > In past experiences, though, the end result has always been worth it (never > had to replace tapered steering head bearings once they're in). > > Greg Torok > 97 PC800 > Bellingham, WA > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:21:38 -0700 (PDT) From: John La Subject: Re: PC800: continued production To: lcshepp@ibm.net Cc: pclist I should have said "...to justify continued production of their wing-thing accessory." Sorry for the confusion. PS: RUMOR ONLY: I've heard the 99's will be black ---lcshepp@ibm.net wrote: > > Hi, > > >> > If Honda would have put LED's in their Wingthing, they might have sold > enough to justify continued production. > << > > Do you know something we don't? I hadn't heard that they had stopped production... Is there no > '99 model? > > Leland > '94 Pacific Coast > "Black Beauty" > 115,000 miles > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@kpt1.tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:27:05 -0400 (EDT) From: James R Randall To: David Kelly cc: Tony Miller , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Oil Filter there was someone selling them by the case (12, i think) for about $45 at the hoot On Fri, 2 Oct 1998, David Kelly wrote: > Tony Miller writes: > > Fellow Listers: > > > > I'm planning to change my oil soon, using Mobil 1. I went by a local > > independent bike shop today and bought a Fram oil filter for under 9 > > bucks. I was just wondering what Honda charges for a filter. Anybody > > bought one lately? Dumb question, I know. > > The PC800 oil filter is the same as the GL1500. At Wing Ding XX I > purchased (4) genuine Honda filters from the dealer floor. Am > forgetting exactly what I paid but it worked out to either $4 each or > $6 each. Much less than the $12 I paid a local Honda dealer a month > prior. > > -- > David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net > ===================================================================== > The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its > capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:26:18 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Betty Lise Anderson Subject: Re: PC800: continued production John La sez: >PS: >RUMOR ONLY: I've heard the 99's will be black > Oops! I heard they were going to be the '98 red. Again. Personally, I would like teal, or purple, or electric blue... Betty Lise Anderson '90 5700 miles, 2100 of my very own COlumbus, Ohio -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@kpt1.tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:30:27 -0400 (EDT) From: James R Randall To: lcshepp@ibm.net cc: jim_bene@pacbell.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Front End Problems Leland, try declerating (just engine braking) from 55 to 35 without your hands on the bars. I pick up perceptble but not dangerous head-shake about 45. Jim On Fri, 2 Oct 1998 lcshepp@ibm.net wrote: > Hi Jim, > > >> > There is a problem with the Steering Head bearings on most of the Honda bikes. The > << > > Interesting. Look at the miles I have on mine and I have no noticeable problem with the bearings > on mine. No shake, etc. I often lock the throttle and with both hands off the bars peel back the > gauntlet on my glove to check my wristwatch. Even on somewhat bumpy pavement I've done this with > no ill effects, no shaking. > > Leland > '94 Pacific Coast > "Black Beauty" > 115,000 miles > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JLicari721@aol.com for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:29:02 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Cruise Control any recomendations on a cruise control...the vista cruise doesn't look like it will work -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. X-UID: 0008561f ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 12:43:52 -0500 Subject: Re: PC800: Cruise Control To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: PC800_Rider@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) JLicari721@aol.com,Internet writes: >any recomendations on a cruise control...the vista cruise doesn't look >like it >will work I'm very close to ordering an electronic cruise control from Sport Touring Accessories, 800-889-5550(US) for my '98 Pacific Coast. They just emailed me that they have some PC models in stock and they anticipate a price increase ($395 now) in November. I have never tried one, but someone on the list said he tried one and he liked it. It wasn't on a PC, but hey, a throttle is a throttle. Still saving my money:-) Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Cruise Control From: Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org (Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 10:07:18 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) On Fri, Oct 2, 1998, 4:29:02 PM GMT JLicari721@aol.com wrote: >the vista cruise doesn't look like it >will work I put a Vista Cruise on mine and it works great. I got the standard Honda 2- cable Vista Cruise and cut a slot in the plastic for the tab to fit into. The slot should be on the underside of the handlebar, next to the grip, just about where the plastic makes a short 90-degree bend (look and you'll see it). Just make sure there's plenty of space between the throttle-grip and the Vista Cruise. It works best if it isn't touching the rubber of the grip. Greg Torok 97 PC800 Bellingham, WA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:04:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Scot Piper Subject: PC800: Tire Life To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu I have 8500 miles on my rear tire (K177) and it looks like it's near the end of it's life. I don't think I'll make it past 10k. I'm quite disappointed. The previous owner got 12,500 miles out of it, and 13,500 on the front. My front still looks decent after 7500 miles. It's disheartening to think it's going to cost me close to $300/yr in tires for my '89 PC800 at my current annual riding distance (and I'd like to double that annual distance in the future). For comparison, I recently replaced the tires on my Honda Accord and the entire set was $205 OTD with a 60,000 mile warranty! Why can't a longer mileage motorcycle tire be manufactured? And why such a high price for motorcycle tires? This is not rocket science, there is less fuel/energy/material needed to make a motorcycle tire as compared to a car tire. Especially taking into consideration that motorcycle tires don't have the steel belts in them like car tires. So has anyone talked to Dunlop, Bridgestone, Michelin, etc to see why they can't make a longer distance tire? What about those bias ply tires, OK for street bikes? On a similar note, I was looking through the Competition Accessorices catalog and there are a number of 140/90x15 tires that should fit the PC just fine (even though stock is 140/80x15). There are even a few at 150/90x15 that might work. Any experience with those sizes? How about the front? 120/80x17 is stock, but I see quite a variety of 17" sizes. I don't know how sensitive the front is to slight changes in tread width/height. OK, enough whining. Scot '89 PC800 20,500 miles ------------- _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:01:17 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: Betty Lise Anderson CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: continued production Betty Lise Anderson wrote: > > John La sez: > > >PS: > >RUMOR ONLY: I've heard the 99's will be black > > > > Oops! I heard they were going to be the '98 red. Again. Personally, I would > like teal, or purple, or electric blue... > > Betty Lise Anderson > '90 > 5700 miles, 2100 of my very own > COlumbus, Ohio Yeah, Teal, TEAL, thats the ticket! TommyTeal -- 93SE (Teal, You Think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast 98V-Star Classic (Red, you bet) GWTA #6871 GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. id MAA20432 (8.8.6/50); Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:13:35 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 12:13:08 -0500 To: Scot Piper , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Rich Gross Subject: Re: PC800: Tire Life >Why can't a longer mileage motorcycle tire be manufactured? And why >such a high price for motorcycle tires? This is not rocket science, >there is less fuel/energy/material needed to make a motorcycle tire as >compared to a car tire. Especially taking into consideration that >motorcycle tires don't have the steel belts in them like car tires. I learned from another user group that it is not that simple. Apparently, to meet the unique needs of motorcycles re: traction, leaning, etc. the rubber compound used in cycle tires is different from autos. In order to make them more "sticky," you simply have to make them more abrasive, which means that you leave more rubber on the road for a mile driven than in any auto. Makes sense to me as a non-expert, but I share your frustration of the cost it entails. Rich Gross Madison, WI -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: PC800: FW: tires and the PC800 Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:32:40 -0400 re tires for the PC, this is an old post but relevant. The rear K177 = lasted 17.5K miles. I was able to find another so I didn't mount the = K491 as speculated here. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall [SMTP:jrandall@tricon.net] Sent: Sunday, May 03, 1998 12:57 PM To: 'PC800 List' Subject: tires and the PC800 I have about 10K miles on my K177s and since the recent news=20 regarding Dunlop's discontinuance of the K177 in PC sizes, have been thinking a bit about my next tire purchase. =20 I'm sure the Metzlers are fine performance tires but my riding=20 tends to be MUCH more touring than sporting in nature and previous=20 posts would seem to support the idea that the Dunlops provide longer=20 wear life than the Metzlers. My own personal experience is that=20 performance of the K177 is quite adequate for my riding style.=20 As I guess the list knows, the K177 is the OEM tire on Gold Wings -=20 many Wing riders upgrade to the Dunlop 491 when they replace their=20 first set to get improved tire life and better wet traction. The 491 is Dunlop's top of the line touring tire. The confusing information=20 on the Dunlop web site lists the 491 as an option for the PC but they=20 don't show the 80 series sizes that come on the PC as being available=20 in the 491. I'm assuming here that readers understand that the "80"=20 part of the tire size is the aspect ratio (i.e. the ratio of sidewall=20 height to tread width). Generally speaking and all else being equal,=20 lower aspect ratios provide a stiffer tire and one which tends to be=20 more performance oriented. Higher aspect ratio tires tend to provide more sidewall flex and consequently a softer ride but less road feel.=20 OK, given that, and the fact that my riding is pretty much touring in=20 nature, why not put 90 series 491s on the PC? Well, the front poses=20 a couple of problems, Firstly, the clearances between the fender and=20 tire are pretty tight on the front and a slightly taller tire just=20 might not fit. Also, a taller front tire would introduce some=20 speedometer error (indicated speed would be less than actual).=20 Secondly, there's not a 491 (at least not listed on the Dunlop site) in the required 17" wheel size. However, the clearances at the rear=20 on the PC are more generous and it's possible one might fit. There is=20 a 491 available in 140/90x15. The approximate difference in radius=20 should be about 14mm which would appear to be "no problem" based on=20 eyeball analysis. The 90 series 491 has the added advantage of a=20 higher maximum load rating of 739lbs vs 677lbs for the 80 series K177=20 and would effectively raise the final drive ratio by about 5% (i.e. a=20 reduction of about 200 rpms in top gear). We were at my local Dunlop dealer on Saturday to replace the rear tire=20 on Nancy's Nighthawk. One interesting side note, the 491 we put on her bike in the 130/90x16 size has a load rating of 830lbs - the added 1"=20 in wheel diameter makes a big difference in load rating. At any rate,=20 I asked the dealer (who claims to be the largest Dunlop dealer in this=20 area) about fitting a 491 on the rear of the PC. He said he had put 491s = on several and that the owners had all been satisfied. His price on a=20 491 is $98 + $10 m&b. He happened to have a K177 (120/80x17) still on=20 the rack and sold it to me for $68 - less than mail order pricing. Even=20 though I won't need a new front tire for several months, given the=20 demise of the K177 and the bargain price, I just couldn't pass it up=20 (it has a 4/97 birth date). OK, bottom line, unless something better comes along before I need=20 a new rear, I planning to mount a 491 on the PC. Given my current riding plans, I probably won't need tires before Aug/Sept but I'll let the list know how the 491 works out.=20 Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:32:50 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: Scot Piper CC: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Tire Life Scot Piper wrote: > So has anyone talked to Dunlop, Bridgestone, Michelin, etc to see why > they can't make a longer distance tire? What about those bias ply > tires, OK for street bikes? > Scot > '89 PC800 > 20,500 miles > ------------- Scot, Boy have we. At any rally or show where the tire manufacturers have been in attendance they always catch an earful from people just like you and me. But what Rich says is true about the requirements for motorcycle tires being greater than car tires. Some manufacturers have experimented with trying to get longer life tires, but without much success (I usually get about 14,000 miles out of the front and 16-18,000 miles out of the back on the Wing with Dunlops, but the ACE gets much less). Another piece of the puzzle is volume. They just don't sell as many motorcycle tires as car tires and thus fixed costs have to be spread over fewer tires raising the per tire cost. But keep given it to them. If enough do, they may actually make improvements. Finally, one of the reasons you may be getting worse mileage than your predecessor, is the way you drive them. If you are more aggressive (having more fun), you will scrub off much more than someone who only goes down the highway, back and forth to work. Coming up your way, BTW, tommorrow. Going to Alpena with the group for our fall color tour (hopefully not rain soaked the whole weekend). Ride Safe (not like me). TommyTeal -- 93SE (Teal, You Think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast 98V-Star Classic (Red, you bet) GWTA #6871 GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Tire Life From: Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org (Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 11:02:37 -0700 Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu On Fri, Oct 2, 1998, 5:32:50 PM GMT Thomas Ongstad wrote: > >> So has anyone talked to Dunlop, Bridgestone, Michelin, etc to see why >> they can't make a longer distance tire? What about those bias ply >> tires, OK for street bikes? I've tried all kinds of tires and believe me, the ones available for the PC are all very good tires. Once my friend got this incredible close-out deal on some very cheap tires (Kings Tires -- something like $25 each) and he mounted a set on his Seca 650. These were the closest thing I've ever seen to automotive tires on a motorcycle. They were sooooooo bad. The compound (if you could call it that) was definately more automotive. The tires would actually squeak on the concrete when you turned the handlebars from side to side. They were very unpredictable and very slippery (don't even mention riding in the rain). The upshot was that they simply would not wear out---ever. He had several hundred miles on them and the tires still looked glossy and not even scrubbed-in. Over a year later they still looked new and he would curse at the tires for not wearing out. I think he finally just took them off and gave them away. I'm not sure if those tires were abnormal in some way, or if all Kings Tires are made of steering-wheel plastic, but this was just one example of what "automotive" tires would be like on a motorcycle. So the short of it is, sticky costs money--and it's worth it. Greg Torok 97 PC800 Bellingham, WA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Lippert, Jim" To: Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Cruise Control Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:12:23 -0700 one other thing i found when i put my vista cruise on: sometimes the throttle sticks a bit when you first install it. i found a short squirt of WD-40 loosened things up just fine. fingers crossed that other important things don't dissolve due to the spraying... i had problems getting it exactly 90 degrees from the handlebar, but it's safe for now. probably should have used silicone lubricant instead, but i got in a rush due to "assistance" from my 4 year old. Jim Lippert jim.lippert@intel.com '98 PC800 "big bertha" '87 CH150 (project) 408/765-5772 (work) 800/306-8309 (pager) disclaimer: all opinions are mine and probably do not reflect the views of my employer, boss, family, astrologer, mail-delivery-person, etc etc etc. your mileage may vary. use only as directed. simulated by professionals, do not try this at home. available only by prescription. > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org [SMTP:Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org] > Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 10:07 AM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: PC800: Cruise Control > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 1998, 4:29:02 PM GMT JLicari721@aol.com wrote: > > > >the vista cruise doesn't look like it > >will work > > I put a Vista Cruise on mine and it works great. I got the standard Honda > 2- > cable Vista Cruise and cut a slot in the plastic for the tab to fit into. > The > slot should be on the underside of the handlebar, next to the grip, just > about > where the plastic makes a short 90-degree bend (look and you'll see it). > Just > make sure there's plenty of space between the throttle-grip and the Vista > Cruise. It works best if it isn't touching the rubber of the grip. > > Greg Torok > 97 PC800 > Bellingham, WA > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. via smtpd (for mailrelay.data-io.com [139.138.100.89]) with SMTP; 2 Oct 1998 20:43:45 UT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Cotes, Steven" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "'Brad Herndon'" Subject: RE: PC800: Pinhead Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:44:29 -0800 > I say if this guy is such a daredevil, he should be on a track > somewhere, > not ass-whipping potential customers in a motorcycle shop. Then > again, why > isn't he on the race circuit? Could he be...... LYING!! > > Anyway, I'd had about all of his BS I could stand so I said...."You > know, I > ride for enjoyment, not to try to prove how big my pen#s is...." > > He pretty much quit talking to me after that. > > Brad Herndon, > Mesquite, TX 98' PC800 > > Brad, liked the tail. Wish I could say it wasn't real close to a couple of experiences I've had. So, are we to guess that you probably didn't buy ANYTHING there ? - steve cotes - '96 PC 7200 miles since April - Near Seattle, WA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 18:18:33 -0400 From: Pat McNew To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Oil Filter Tony Miller wrote: > > Fellow Listers: > > I'm planning to change my oil soon, using Mobil 1. I went by a local > independent bike shop today and bought a Fram oil filter for under 9 > bucks. I was just wondering what Honda charges for a filter. Anybody > bought one lately? Dumb question, I know. > > Even if it was a couple of dollars more than the stealer would charge > here in Gainesville, I would still buy from the independent shop. My > local Honda stealer is not going to get any more of my money if I can > help it. They are the worst excuse for a service department that I've > ever seen. Pathetic! > Tony, The only comment I would offer about oil filters is this. I have had two cars, a Ford Probe and I currently have a Volvo that only the factory filter had a check valve. This keeps the oil from draining out of the top end of the engine between uses. My Volvo dealer has cut- a-ways of the Fram, Purolater, and one other along with the Volvo. It is pretty amazing the difference in addition to the lack of the check valve. I have no idea whether this applies with Honda and I despise paying retail for anything, but as long as my Honda is under warrantee, she will get the Honda filter and the Honda oil. My $.02 worth. -- Pat McNew Snellville, GA 1996 PC800 - Ramblin' Rose 4600 (S)miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 18:26:19 -0400 From: Pat McNew To: lcshepp@ibm.net CC: BobDuWah@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Introduction of a MD. 95PC800 rider > Actually, yes. I use the engine so extensively for braking that I don't use the brakes at all (as a > rule) unless: 1) I misjudge the distance or 2) it's an emergency. I'm usually in 1st gear before I > touch the brakes and usually at no more than a few mph. Leland and other Coasters, Now you have gone and said something that scares me. I know several guys who have been either rear-ended or come close from down shifting without using the brakes. One was on a brand new Harley. The problem is you give no sign to the vehicle behind you that you are slowing down or stopping because your brake lights don't come on until its too late. Just something to think about. -- Pat McNew Snellville, GA 1996 PC800 - Ramblin' Rose 4600 (S)miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Fri, 02 Oct 1998 19:30:01 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Randy Ashurst" To: Subject: PC800: PC800 clutch replacement Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:27:33 -0400 X-MailServer: Eureka! Gold Internet Server (v2.4) My clutch is slipping during hard roll ons in 5th gear on my 89'PC800. The bike has 27k mi and has been flawless. I've seen reports on this list about the Honda shops chargins well into the $200 brackets to do a clutch job. I did them on my Bultaco Pursang in Spain 25 yrs ago, I suppose they are still similar. Have any of you done this on a PC at home? Hints? tips? I've found there's Barnett plates at the discount mail order places but Barnett does not make any clutch springs specifically for the PC. I called Barnett Fri and they have clutch springs for the VT800. A set only costs about $11. My next question to the group all you microfische capable bretheren; are the honda VT800 and PC800 clutch springs the same? The clutch had seen only Mibil 1 until a yr ago and I changed to Havoline sythetic and the first roll on after I noticed the plates slipping. Is a clutch job something very possible at home...I have the tech book. Thanks for any assistance. PS, never let Pee Wee Herman hold your helmet at the movies RD Ashurst ashurst@thebest.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:43:52 -0400 (EDT) To: "Randy Ashurst" , From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 clutch replacement At 7:27 PM -0400 10/2/98, Randy Ashurst wrote: >My clutch is slipping during hard roll ons in 5th gear on my 89'PC800. <<>> >The clutch had seen only Mibil 1 until a yr ago and I changed to Havoline >sythetic and the first roll on after I noticed the plates slipping. > >Is a clutch job something very possible at home...I have the tech book. > Is the clutch job needed? I would try going back to Mobil 1 or maybe even conventional oil to see if the clutch stops slipping. Hasn't clutch slippage been reported on this list in association with synthetic oil of some brands in tandem with the fact that the PC800 has a wet clutch? It would be a cheap way of checking, especially if the clutch started to slip only after you put in the new Havoline. ride safe.... fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:08:59 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Paul Hayes" To: Subject: PC800: FW: Wave Of The Future??? Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:10:01 -0700 DISCLAIMER: This is not strictly PC800 related. Also, I am not making a political statement. I just thought it was cute and wanted to share it. ========== WAVE OF THE FUTURE??? Dad - Son, come in here, we need to talk. Son - What's up, Dad? Dad- There's a scratch down the side of the car. Did you do it? Son- I don't believe, if I understand the definition of "scratch the car", that I can say, truthfully, that I scratched the car. Dad- Well, it wasn't there yesterday, and you drove the car last night, and no one else has driven it since. How can you explain the scratch? Son- Well, as I've said before, I have no recollection of scratching the car. While it is true that I did take the car out last night, I did not scratch it. Dad- But your sister, Mary, has told me she saw you back the car against the mailbox at the end of the driveway, heard a loud scraping sound, saw you get out to examine the car, and then drive away. So again I'll ask you, yes or no, did you scratch the car? Son- Oh, you mean you think you have evidence to prove I scratched it. Well, you see, I understood you to mean did "I" scratch the car. I stand by my earlier statement, that I did not scratch the car. Dad- Are you trying to tell me you didn't drive the car into the mailbox? Son- Well, you see sir, I was trying to drive the car into the street. I mishandled the steering of the car, and it resulted in direct contact with the mailbox, though that was clearly not my intent. Dad- So you are then saying that you did hit the mailbox? Son- No sir, that's not my statement. I'll refer you back to my original statement that I did not scratch the car. Dad- But the car did hit the mailbox, and the car did get scratched as a result of this contact? Son- Well, yes, I suppose you could look at it that way. Dad- So you lied to me when you said you did not scratch the car? Son- No. No, that's not correct. Your question was "Did I scratch the car?". From a strict legal definition, as I understood the meaning of that sentence, I did not scratch the car... the mailbox did. I was merely present when the scratching occurred. So my answer of "No" when you asked "Did I scratch the car" was legally correct, although I did not volunteer information. Dad- Where in the world did you learn to be such a smart mouth? Son- From the Honorary President of the Boy Scouts of America, The President of the United States. Dad- I see. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Akoell@aol.com for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 23:19:14 +2000 (EDT) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 23:19:14 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: End of oil filter BS Look, don't quibble about a few bucks; after all, how often do you change your oil & filter? If you can't afford a few bucks more for the Honda filter, then maybe you shouldn't have a bike at all. Don't be like a lot of morons driving cages that never service their cars at all; show some class and open your wallets a little. No, I don't work for Honda, but a couple of more bucks for the original filter is not going to break anybody's bank account. And please, no more of this filter shit. Al, Trenton, NJ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 21:02:08 -0700 To: Akoell@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Dimitri Rakitine Subject: Re: PC800: End of oil filter BS At 11:19 PM 981002 EDT, Akoell@aol.com wrote: >show some class and open your wallets a little. The whole point was about not patronizing people charging $11 for $2 part. If your idea of 'class' is wasting money you should get a Harley(tm) and buy only Harley(tm) stuff(tm). Dimitri -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 01:15:09 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: PC800: Glovebox Hi everyone. I received my Glovebox (TM) today ! Wow ! This bag is great. I really like it alot. I wasn't sure what color to get for my black 95 PC800. I was thinking black, and Neill mentionned that the grey was a great choice since it blended in with the bar covers really well. I've got to admit...the grey looks great. As an added bonus, it closely matches the color of my Aerostich jacket, so when I wear the bag as a Fanny-Pak it is color co-ordinated ! We all know how important it is too look good at those rallies! The bag was a perfect fit, and it will soon be a perfect home for my Walkman, camera, a couple of CD's, a map, and maybe some lunch ! I can't get over how well it fits, and how well it makes use of the available space between the bars. I can still use my choke, and it doesn't block my view of the instruments. If you've been thinking about getting one, don't wait any longer ! ride safe everyone... fsl :-) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP Sat, 3 Oct 1998 05:19:26 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "kr evans" To: Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 clutch replacement Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 01:19:11 -0400 Randy, I just did my clutch at home no problem. Main headaches was getting all the old gasket off. Also, there is some sort of oil passage tube in there that is sealed by o-rings on both each end. Don't forget to use new seals on this. Everything else is just being careful. kr '89 78800 in the shop for deer hemorrhage... -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Randy Ashurst To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Friday, October 02, 1998 7:31 PM Subject: PC800: PC800 clutch replacement ...portions... >My clutch is slipping during hard roll ons in 5th gear on my 89'PC800... >Have any of you done this on a PC at home? Hints? tips..I have the tech book. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 23:01:10 -0700 (PDT) From: John La Subject: Re: PC800: Glovebox ??'s To: Francois Saint Laurent Cc: pclist A few ???'s: Where from? How much? Any Pix? Thanks! John ---Francois Saint Laurent wrote: > > Hi everyone. > > I received my Glovebox (TM) today ! Wow ! This bag is great. I really > like it alot. I wasn't sure what color to get for my black 95 PC800. I was > thinking black, and Neill mentionned that the grey was a great choice since > it blended in with the bar covers really well. > > I've got to admit...the grey looks great. As an added bonus, it closely > matches the color of my Aerostich jacket, so when I wear the bag as a > Fanny-Pak it is color co-ordinated ! We all know how important it is too > look good at those rallies! > > The bag was a perfect fit, and it will soon be a perfect home for my > Walkman, camera, a couple of CD's, a map, and maybe some lunch ! I can't > get over how well it fits, and how well it makes use of the available space > between the bars. I can still use my choke, and it doesn't block my view > of the instruments. > > If you've been thinking about getting one, don't wait any longer ! > > ride safe everyone... > > fsl :-) > > (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) > > Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 > Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda > > HSTA Member Number 7470 > > (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sat, 3 Oct 1998 00:04:29 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 23:55:51 -0700 From: Neill and Stephanie To: John La CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Glovebox ??'s One more time, all the facts are available at: http://members.tripod.com/~pc800/glovebox.html John La wrote: > > A few ???'s: > > Where from? How much? Any Pix? > > Thanks! > John > > ---Francois Saint Laurent wrote: > > > > Hi everyone. > > > > I received my Glovebox (TM) today ! Wow ! This bag is great. I > really > > like it alot. I wasn't sure what color to get for my black 95 > PC800. I was > > thinking black, and Neill mentionned that the grey was a great > choice since > > it blended in with the bar covers really well. > > > > I've got to admit...the grey looks great. As an added bonus, it > closely > > matches the color of my Aerostich jacket, so when I wear the bag as a > > Fanny-Pak it is color co-ordinated ! We all know how important it > is too > > look good at those rallies! > > > > The bag was a perfect fit, and it will soon be a perfect home for my > > Walkman, camera, a couple of CD's, a map, and maybe some lunch ! > I can't > > get over how well it fits, and how well it makes use of the > available space > > between the bars. I can still use my choke, and it doesn't block my > view > > of the instruments. > > > > If you've been thinking about getting one, don't wait any longer ! > > > > ride safe everyone... > > > > fsl :-) > > > > (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) > > > > Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 > > Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda > > > > HSTA Member Number 7470 > > > > (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) > > > > > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body > of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 05:23:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Miller Subject: Re: PC800: End of oil filter BS To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Al, I'm sure you will feel better when you sober up. I was just wondering of others have been able to find alternatives to the Honda part, because I do not want to spend any (more) money at the dealer. It would really be nice, too, if you could save your attitude and language for the bar room instead of publicly making a fool of yourself. I'm saying all this, assuming that you were serious. The only way most of us on this list would write something like that would be if we were making fun of someone who would write like that. . . Tony ---Akoell@aol.com wrote: > > Look, don't quibble about a few bucks; after all, how often do you change > your oil & filter? If you can't afford a few bucks more for the Honda filter, > then > maybe you shouldn't have a bike at all. Don't be like a lot of morons driving > cages that never service their cars at all; show some class and open your > wallets a little. No, I don't work for Honda, but a couple of more bucks for > the > original filter is not going to break anybody's bank account. > And please, no more of this filter shit. > > Al, Trenton, NJ == My homepage URL is http://members.tripod.com/~tlmiller/ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 09:44:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Frank P. Cook" To: Tony Miller cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: End of oil filter BS my sentiments exactly, Tony! thanks. On Sat, 3 Oct 1998, Tony Miller wrote: > Al, I'm sure you will feel better when you sober up. > > I was just wondering of others have been able to find alternatives to > the Honda part, because I do not want to spend any (more) money at the > dealer. > > It would really be nice, too, if you could save your attitude and > language for the bar room instead of publicly making a fool of yourself. > > I'm saying all this, assuming that you were serious. The only way > most of us on this list would write something like that would be if we > were making fun of someone who would write like that. . . > > Tony > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Oil Filter of "Fri, 02 Oct 1998 18:18:33 EDT." <36155139.2B094498@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 09:27:38 -0500 Pat McNew writes: > The only comment I would offer about oil filters is this. I have had > two cars, a Ford Probe and I currently have a Volvo that only the > factory filter had a check valve. This keeps the oil from draining out > of the top end of the engine between uses. My Volvo dealer has cut- > a-ways of the Fram, Purolater, and one other along with the Volvo. It > is pretty amazing the difference in addition to the lack of the check > valve. There are up to 2 valves in oil filters. I believe you are discussing a metal valve assembly in the "top" of the oil filter (where the "bottom" is where it screws in). This is a Good Thing To Have, but doesn't do what I think you think it does. This top metal valve assembly is not a check valve, its a pop-off valve intended to allow bypass of the filter itself during high volume oil flow, and when/if the filter gets clogged. Most people don't realize oil is pumped into the filter around the outside holes. Filtered oil comes out the middle. Every oil filter I've ever seen has a rubber flap covering these outside holes to prevent backpressure from flushing filtered crud back into your oil passageways. If the filter is mounted with this side down, the flaps do not do a perfect job. However the center is still unobstructed and oil can drain thru the filter. My 1986 VW Golf's filter was mounted screw-side-up. Yet somehow it was able to suck the oil out of the filter when the car sat overnight. As a result I decided changing oil cold on that car was a good thing as it was harder to spill oil from the filter. But oil level was to be checked on a warm engine. My 1993.5 Infiniti G20 has a filter only a bit bigger than the PC's. Engine holds almost exactly the same amount of oil. The filter is mounted on its side, just like the PC, only on the top of the engine. Hot or cold, I've always spilled oil changing the G20's filter. The really neat thing is Infiniti placed a funnel under the filter so the oil spilled runs down and right off the end of the crankcase drain plug. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 10:04:53 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: "Lippert, Jim" CC: Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Cruise Control If you cut a slot for the tabs and it isn't sitting straight on the bar try cutting the tabs off about 1/4" and the bottom will go in closer to the plastic. For clearance, I changed the grips while I had the originals off to install the Vista. It worked on mine. Works great. Not a cruise control but not $400 either. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lcshepp@ibm.net Date: Sat, 03 Oct 98 08:02:37 +0000 To: pce@dsv.nl, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Front End Problems Hi Gerard, >> Last friday I had to change the bearings as well after approx. 16,000 miles. Talking about a shorteer life! << I can't figure out what's going on. Look at the miles I've got and I have no wheel bearing or steering head bearing problems at all... Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 115,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 10:23:00 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: Randy Ashurst CC: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 clutch replacement <> I think you answered your own question here. Some synthetics slip. Just toooo slick. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lcshepp@ibm.net Date: Sat, 03 Oct 98 08:43:23 +0000 To: johnla@yahoo.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: continued production Hi John, >> Sorry for the confusion. << That's OK. Whew... Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 115,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lcshepp@ibm.net Date: Sat, 03 Oct 98 09:53:01 +0000 To: Akoell@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: End of oil filter BS Hi Al, >> how often do you change your oil & filter? << Every 8000 miles which for me is about every 12 to 14 weeks... Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 115,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lcshepp@ibm.net Date: Sat, 03 Oct 98 09:23:28 +0000 To: pmcnew@bellsouth.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Introduction of a MD. 95PC800 rider Hi Pat, >> The problem is you give no sign to the vehicle behind you that you are slowing down or stopping because your brake lights don't come on until its too late. << If someone is behind me and moving up on me (as though they aren't paying attention to the distance between us), I tap my rear brake pedal enough to make the light come on; it doesn't take much of a tap. I also have used my turn signals in such a case just to get somebodys attention. Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 115,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lcshepp@ibm.net Date: Sat, 03 Oct 98 08:54:27 +0000 To: sapiper@yahoo.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Tire Life Hi Scot, >> I have 8500 miles on my rear tire (K177) and it looks like it's near the end of it's life. I don't think I'll make it past 10k. I'm quite disappointed. The previous owner got 12,500 miles out of it, and 13,500 on the front. My front still looks decent after 7500 miles. << I got 18-20000 on K177s while I could still get them (5 sets of tires). The K555s I have on now have 13000 on them and look as though they will last about the same amount as the K177s did. One interesting note (at least it is interesting to me): My back tire wears longer than my front tire; every time. That has never happened with any of my 9 prior bikes. I could get another 2000 miles out of my back tire (on each of the sets I have had on this bike - 7 total) but my front is always down to the tread bars or beyond by that time. Anyone else have that experience? Two things come to mind: Pressure and how hard you ride. The first set of tires on my PC (K555s) lasted only 10000 and I was riding much harder than I do now. They also were showing signs of cupping so I upped the pressure. I run my rear tire at 41# and my front at 36# and get no cupping and excellent wear, traction and handling. Since Dunlop has stopped making the K177s for the PC and since I don't like the K555s (they howl and act squirrely on rain grooves) I am going to try Metzeler ML2s next time. Metzeler makes ML2s in the size for the PC. I believe AVON also now makes tires that fit the PC; I don't know anything about them though. >> On a similar note, I was looking through the Competition Accessorices catalog and there are a number of 140/90x15 tires that should fit the PC just fine (even though stock is 140/80x15). There are even a few at 150/90x15 that might work. Any experience with those sizes? How about the front? 120/80x17 is stock, but I see quite a variety of 17" sizes. I don't know how sensitive the front is to slight changes in tread width/height. << Someone on this list tried a 140/90x15 and said it was like trying to corner with drag slicks. Sounds like not such a good idea. Also the space between the rear tire and the sides of the trunk is limited - a fatter tire might cause problems there. My PC rides and handles so well I would hate to fiddle with tire sizes on the off chance of screwing up either the ride or the handling. Or wearing holes in the side of my trunk, etc. Just my two bits worth... Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 115,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lcshepp@ibm.net Date: Sat, 03 Oct 98 09:31:09 +0000 To: BobDuWah@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Introduction of a MD. 95PC800 rider Hi Bob, >> I'm still amazed that the PC can go so many miles without engine rebuilding or brake pads.. << My mechanic has been amazed too. Part of the explanation is due to the fact that I don't push the bike that hard and that about 80% of my riding is straight up freeway riding (my commute); that's probably the easiest kind of miles to put on any vehicle. I could pretty much set a cruise control at 60mph (my normal road speed) after I get on the freeway and 37 miles later, get off the freeway; that involves minimum strain on the bike, engine, tires, clutch, brakes, etc. >> Was it you that said in a previous post that the k177 was no longer produced? I got a reply from a Dunlop rep that said it is still making that tire and has no plans to discontinue it << Regarding the K177s: Dunlop told me they have quit making the PC sizes in the K177. The Gold Wing tire is also a K177 and they still make those sizes. I used to get mine from Dennis Kirk mail order since they had a "beat the competition by a buck" deal. The last time I went to order a set, they didn't have any in stock. Neither did Donelson or Competition Accessories. All of them said the tire (in the PC size) had been discontinued. So I called Dunlop and they confirmed it. The decision came out of Japan to make only the K555s for the PC. Apparently the market for PCs and the K555s is larger in Japan and they couldn't justify continuing to make both tires for the PC. Honda has some K177s in stock but they want $260 for the set. I was paying as little as $160 for a set buying them mail order. None of the mail order houses carried or were planning to carry the K555s. So I went to a local tire place and for $198 was able to get a set of K555s. Since I'm putting 24,000 to 26,000 miles a year on the bike, I go through a set of tires about every 8 to 10 months (18000 to 20000 miles on the tires - I use the tread wear bar to determine when I should get new ones) and the price is important to me. After the K555s were put on, the howl was back (I had forgotten about it - my first set were K555s) and I suddenly have problems with rain grooves. They changed the tread design on the K555 and put a straight groove in the center of the front tire - I'm convinced that is what causes the problems with rain grooves... I put the current set of K555s on 13000 miles ago (that was in April '98) and that was when I ran into the problem of finding K177s. If Dunlop has changed their minds and has decided to continue making the PC sizes in the K177 I will be the first in line to get a set! You might ask that rep which sizes are available and let me know if they have decided to continue producing the PC sizes. I will be both surprised (given what the Dunlop guy who called me from New York said) and delighted if that is the case. It means I won't have to experiment with Metzelers, I can just go back to the K177s which I think are a great tire. Incidentally, the Dunlop guy agreed with me when I said that the K177 was a better tire than the K555. Interesting, huh? Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 115,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: Braking... Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:21:00 +0200 >Actually, yes. I use the engine so extensively for braking that I don't use the brakes at all (as a >rule) unless: 1) I misjudge the distance or 2) it's an emergency It's either brake pads/shoes or fuel consumption. I personally prefer air-resistance (long idle rollout). It works pretty good on the PC (big frontal area / barndoor). I was wondering, can engine-braking be bad for the engine ? ___ [_ mile Nossin '90 PC800 "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Holland, Santpoort 'Never look back upon your live and say: " I should have done that....."' http://www.cybercomm.nl/~emile ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BobDuWah@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 13:29:51 EDT To: lcshepp@ibm.net, sapiper@yahoo.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Tire Life In a message dated 10/3/98 12:02:25 PM Central Daylight Time, lcshepp@ibm.net writes: << Since Dunlop has stopped making the K177s for the PC and since I don't like the K555s (they howl and act squirrely on rain grooves) I am going to try Metzeler ML2s next time. >> Dunlop says the k177 is still being produced in answer to my question left on the Dunlop webpage last week. Bob Ronecker 94PC St Louis, Mo. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 10:50:05 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 13:43:40 -0400 From: John Mc Clun To: PC List Subject: PC800: RE: Cruise Control I too put on the two line control by cutting a slot in the plastic on the under side. At the same time I removed thos hard hand grips and put on the GoldWing sponge grips with a nice chrome ring up near the control. This helps eliminate any "rubbing rubber against the control" friction keeping the unit working slick (pun intended). John 95 PC 800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: PC800: Aerostitch Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 14:13:25 -0400 After my ride in the rain today, during which I got absolutely SOAKED = wearing my "waterproof" jacket, I've determined that Aerostitch is about = to get some business from me. Looking for opinions: Where is the best = place to order Aerostitch, where they'll work with you regarding sizing, = returns if necessary, etc? Oh yeah...best prices, too! I haven't found any shop within 120 miles that has any 'Stitch to look = at...let alone try on. Steve Zweigart Maysville, Kentucky '97 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Aerostitch From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 03 Oct 1998 13:39:49 -0500 Lines: 21 >>>>> "SRZ" == Steven R Zweigart writes: SRZ> Looking for opinions: Where is the best place SRZ> to order Aerostitch, where they'll work with you regarding sizing, SRZ> returns if necessary, etc? Oh yeah...best prices, too! Unless they have changed their policy recently, the only place to get an Aerostich is Aerostich. The prices are set in their catalog. I hit the sizing on the first try, but a friend was uncertain and they sent him a test suit (powder blue with mustard ballistics, ugh) to check sizing. I believe they have a liberal return policy. I've been so happy with the service I have received from Aerostich that I even buy things like helmets from them. One warning: the suit is not waterproof. If it rains hard enough, you will get wet, particularly around the crotch zipper. The suit has about three miles of zipper which make it easy to get in and out of but also add leakage points. I still wouldn't wear anything else while riding. - J< -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ha1.rdc1.pa.home.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Alan Bowen" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Aerostitch Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 16:47:52 -0400 I'm a new rider (started June 98) and bought an Aerostich for three reasons: 1) Safety. Riderwearhouse and others have tested the suits and have found it's the best thing next to competition raceing leathers. I never plan to ride in the rain, but I like the 95% waterproof-ness when I get caught out and feel safer when I do. 2) Convenience. I feel safe wearing anything under the 'stich. In the summer, I would ride with shorts & a t-shirt with all the vents full open and the leg zippers open, as per the Riderwearhouse recommendation even though they state a theoretical possibility of severe burning (though that has happened to none of the suits involved in accidents sent in for repair). I can even a wear a business suit and ride to work. Hairdo by Honda. I hope to do some serious touring, too, and couldn't imaging going without. 3) Appearance. Even though I've got the beer belly, I don't think I'll ever fit the "look" of a "biker" nor do I really care about that. I think the Aerostich and the PC go together amazingly well and that you'll look better, cooler, and badder wearing that rather than a cruiser-style leather jacket & chaps. And it's a fact that just wearing the 'stich will add 15 horsepower and shave a full second off the 0-60 times! I'd like to know the percentage of PC riders w/Aerostich's. It's got to be high. Alan '97 PC http://members.home.net/abowen -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Subject: PC800: Inner Trunk Bags Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 21:54:29 +0100 Hi all, I just purchased by mail order a pair of Inner Trunk Bags from a Honda Dealer in Arizona. Price US$71.30c. It is supposed to be genuine Honda part, but the quality is poor, it is not shaped to fit the trunk, has no sholder strap or any labels of any sort stiched to say that it is genuine Honda! I could have got something better for less than third of the price from a camping store! If any of you got this item, please let me know if there are any identification marks on them. Thanks! Job Sussex, England -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Subject: PC800: misuse of engine braking... Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 21:45:15 +0100 Engine braking can be a very safe way of braking in certain circumstances. But the increased wear and tear on the transmission and engine as a result of using it for normal braking, would inevitably be much more than the cost of brake pads, one would have thought! Job Sussex, England ---------- > From: Emile Nossin > To: PC800 > Subject: PC800: Braking... > Date: Saturday, October 03, 1998 6:21 PM > > >Actually, yes. I use the engine so extensively for braking that I don't use the brakes at all (as a > >rule) unless: 1) I misjudge the distance or 2) it's an emergency > > It's either brake pads/shoes or fuel consumption. I personally prefer air-resistance (long idle rollout). > It works pretty good on the PC (big frontal area / barndoor). > I was wondering, can engine-braking be bad for the engine ? > ___ > [_ mile Nossin '90 PC800 "The Flying Dutchman" > [__urope, Holland, Santpoort > > 'Never look back upon your live and say: > " I should have done that....."' > > http://www.cybercomm.nl/~emile > ICQ 17992318 > Emile@Cybercomm.nl > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a
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 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 17:06:53 -0500 Subject: Re: PC800: Inner Trunk Bags To: pcsg@mistral.co.uk Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) I got mine from my Honda dealer for about $54 US dollars. You are correct about not having any markings to indicate a manufacturer. I thought that was strange, but mine are shaped to fit the trunk space. I too would like to have some kind of shoulder strap, or at least a place to connect one. The short handles on them are OK but not the best solution. I do like them better than nothing at all and I don't think I could have come up with anything else that would fit the space as well. When I pack things in my house I know they will fit when I go outside to put them in the trunk (yes, sad to say, but my PC doesn't share my living space:-) with me) Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" pcsg@mistral.co.uk writes: >Hi all, > >I just purchased by mail order a pair of Inner Trunk Bags from a Honda >Dealer in Arizona. Price US$71.30c. >It is supposed to be genuine Honda part, but the quality is poor, it is >not >shaped to fit the trunk, has no sholder strap or any labels of any sort >stiched to say that it is genuine Honda! > >I could have got something better for less than third of the price from a >camping store! > >If any of you got this item, please let me know if there are any >identification marks on them. > >Thanks! > >Job >Sussex, >England -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rocheux@juno.com by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQNSLDZT; Sat, 03 Oct 1998 17:22:42 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 17:10:23 -0400 Subject: PC800: Advice @ East Coasters meet On our famous ride to Lexington TN I showed how the rubber under my seat cover was bunching up in rolls and someone said that is under warranty and so I went to see Jesse with the attitude at Coleman Power Sport and he begrudgingly agreed to order me a new one! Thanks for the suggestions! East Coasters! Rocky says, "Que laissez roule les bons temps...." 46 Ind Chief, 96 Kaw ZL600, 92 Suz 1400 Intruder, 96 Red PC800! FOUND, Old Cushman Scooter!* Its a '46! Huge warehouse chock full of used, cleaned refurbed business phones of all brands for sale! Very reas! Help! ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rocheux@juno.com by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQNSLDSN; Sat, 03 Oct 1998 17:22:42 EDT To: Akoell@AOL.COM Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 17:01:05 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: End of oil filter BS Al, did you read this before you sent it? You sound like you have a lot of anger. Have you tried massage? Red wine? Rocky On Fri, 2 Oct 1998 23:19:14 EDT Akoell@aol.com writes: >Look, don't quibble about a few bucks; after all, how often do you >change >your oil & filter? If you can't afford a few bucks more for the Honda >filter, >then >maybe you shouldn't have a bike at all. Don't be like a lot of morons >driving >cages that never service their cars at all; show some class and open >your >wallets a little. No, I don't work for Honda, but a couple of more >bucks for >the >original filter is not going to break anybody's bank account. >And please, no more of this filter shit. > >Al, Trenton, NJ >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rocheux@juno.com by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQNSLD4B; Sat, 03 Oct 1998 17:22:42 EDT To: lcshepp@ibm.net Cc: Akoell@AOL.COM, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 17:13:10 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: End of oil filter BS I change mine twice a yr in Apr & Oct in all bikes-using Mobil1 you may extend your life of oil by 2-3 times. I do not roll enuf miles between changes to warrant more frequent changes. I use Fram-JC Whitney or stock fltrs and yes I know I need my head examined! Rocky says, "Que laissez roule les bons temps...." 46 Ind Chief, 96 Kaw ZL600, 92 Suz 1400 Intruder, 96 Red PC800! FOUND, Old Cushman Scooter!* Its a '46! Huge warehouse chock full of used, cleaned refurbed business phones of all brands for sale! Very reas! Help! On Sat, 03 Oct 98 09:53:01 +0000 lcshepp@ibm.net writes: >Hi Al, > >>> > how often do you change >your oil & filter? ><< > >Every 8000 miles which for me is about every 12 to 14 weeks... > >Leland >'94 Pacific Coast >"Black Beauty" >115,000 miles > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rocheux@juno.com by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQNSLCTK; Sat, 03 Oct 1998 17:22:41 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 16:03:53 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: the "IDEAL" seat concept I second the comments that they should stick to boots and elec cars. I have published my nightmare with them that luckily for me ended in the bank reversing the charges they put on my credit card. Some of their seats force you into a cup and you can not move around resulting in a backache--ex:My 1400 Intruders seat. Rocky, On Thu, 1 Oct 1998 20:37:01 -0400 "Tosh Konya" writes: >> About six weeks ago I rode my '98 PC800 to the Corbin factory in >> Hollister to have a seat custom fitted. When they attempted to put >the >> driver seat on the bike it was terribly apparent that there was no >way >> it was going to fit. >> >> I would make sure of the return policy before ordering it or better >yet >> go to the factory in person so they can custom fit it and get >everything >right >> before you leave. > >I'm not surprised their seat didn't fit because Corbin is living on a >past >reputation. I've had personal experience with several different >Corbin >seats and each was an ordeal. It took many calls and each time I >called, I had to talk to a different person who didn't know who I was > >so had to start all over. Of course it always ended with an empty >promise that my seat would be to me in x-weeks. I had to repeat this >process too many times and I don't think their final product was worth > >the wait. > >My friends have also had similar or even worse experiences with >Corbin so I'm not an unusual case. Let them make their money on >boots and electric city cars. > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rocheux@juno.com by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQNSLDNF; Sat, 03 Oct 1998 17:22:42 EDT To: pmcnew@bellsouth.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 16:47:47 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Oil Filter Rocky says, "Que laissez roule les bons temps...." 46 Ind Chief, 96 Kaw ZL600, 92 Suz 1400 Intruder, 96 Red PC800! FOUND, Old Cushman Scooter!* Its a '46! Huge warehouse chock full of used, cleaned refurbed business phones of all brands for sale! Very reas! Help! On Fri, 02 Oct 1998 18:18:33 -0400 Pat McNew writes: I know about check valves and I would be surprised if Fram would list a non-check valve filter for a check valve required appl. Puhleeeze--they don' do they? >Rocky >The only comment I would offer about oil filters is this. I have had >two cars, a Ford Probe and I currently have a Volvo that only the >factory filter had a check valve. This keeps the oil from draining >out >of the top end of the engine between uses. My Volvo dealer has cut- >a-ways of the Fram, Purolater, and one other along with the Volvo. It >is pretty amazing the difference in addition to the lack of the check >valve. > >I have no idea whether this applies with Honda and I despise paying >retail for anything, but as long as my Honda is under warrantee, she >will get the Honda filter and the Honda oil. My $.02 worth. > >-- >Pat McNew >Snellville, GA >1996 PC800 - Ramblin' Rose >4600 (S)miles >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rocheux@juno.com by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQNSLD9T; Sat, 03 Oct 1998 17:22:42 EDT To: indian@dorje.com Cc: indian@starklite.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, Rocklinize@aol.com, MAJacobs01@aol.com, Korzenny.S@apple.com, Billbob709@aol.com, Rocheux@juno.com, porky48@juno.com, katymalofwiseman@yahoo.com, Gilbiz@juno.com, Luci36@aol.com, emjeje@juno.com, booterre@silverplume.iix.com, KATYMALOF@prodigy.net, katymalofwiseman@yahoo.com, traskha@juno.com, flatback@bhip.infi.net, krohn@sni.net, duda@sover.net, wprime1@juno.com, Chrisbelieu@sprintmail.com, vespaed@wpol.com Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 17:16:26 -0400 Subject: PC800: FOUND! OLD CUSHMAN!!!! I have found my old Cushman and all I had to give him was my word--he sez he is holding it for me. It is not a Dennis Carpenter repop but a real live 1946 Series 50-same year as my Indian! Yesssss! It has just been professionally and totally rebuilt, engine, body--everything is renewed and I am tickled and for only $3500. I pick it up in a few wks. I wonder if the front tire will fit in the metal pipe thingy that snaps into the brackets on my trailer floor. I will have to ask. Rocky says, "Que laissez roule les bons temps...." 46 Ind Chief, 96 Kaw ZL600, 92 Suz 1400 Intruder, 96 Red PC800! FOUND, Old Cushman Scooter!* Huge warehouse chock full of used, cleaned refurbed business phones of all brands for sale! Very reas! Help! On Thu, 1 Oct 1998 23:47:29 -0600 (MDT) Patricia Duffy writes: >Rocky > > When you find that old Cushman, Jim Pettit has the parts! His >address >is as follows > >Raceway Services >2700 19th St SE#3 >Salem, Oregon 97302-1504 PH# 503-588-7227 He also has Arrow, Scout >Warrior parts! > Duff > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 17:24:06 -0400 (EDT) To: "Alan Bowen" , From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Aerostitch At 4:47 PM -0400 10/3/98, Alan Bowen wrote: >I'd like to know the percentage of PC riders w/Aerostich's. It's got to be >high. > >Alan >'97 PC I've got the Darien jacket, and will probably get the matching pants this year, unless I see some great pants from another manufacturer. I have read some of the posts saying that the Aerostich is not 100% waterproof. I believe that the material is 100% waterproof. If any water is getting in, its through an entry point somewhere, not through the actual material. I have ridden for hours in a heavy rain on a highway with lots of tractor trailers (read...moving car wash). I was still dry. For what its worth... fsl :-) ride safe (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: annreid@juno.com by x16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQNVDYKW; Sat, 03 Oct 1998 18:11:37 EDT To: rocheux@juno.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 15:11:53 -0700 Subject: PC800: PC CELLPHONES Rocky, If you can't find a higer and better use (market) for those "found phones," I have a suggestion. *GIGGLE* Remove the handsets from the their tethers and label them (PC) Polish Cellphones -- novelty coffee table (desk?) ornaments. They'd be cheap to keep and you'd have a valid excuse why you couldn't get thru. *HEH HEH* Token Comment: I'm thinking of carrying one in my PC's trunk. It's the ONLY thing I don't have in there ..... YET! Ann '89 PC-AZ GhosTel Sat. 10.3.98 15:00 MST ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: annreid@juno.com by x16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQNVDYJU; Sat, 03 Oct 1998 18:11:37 EDT To: pcsg@mistral.co.uk Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 14:57:35 -0700 Subject: PC800: THE BAG LADY Job, I HAVE AN INNY (pause) and AN OUTTY ....... trunk bag. I live in Arizona and bot my bags from my local Honda dealer over two years ago. As I recall (and I DO have memoroids), they were about $50 (plus $3.50 tax). They are not the exact same shape as the trunk, but slip in and out easily (full or empty) and hold a grunch without breaking. I delight in overstuffing mine.....daily! Ask anyone who's riden with me, including the dozen or so on this List. In addition, they fit in such a way that in my RIGHT cheek I also have room for my "emergency stator" (never leave home without it!), & other (essential!) schtuff in the trunk OUTSIDE of the bag, as well as bungees and extra rain bags (heavyduty trash-o-matic plastic sacks) UNDER the trunk bag. (Wow, what a l-o-n-g sentence. Take a breath and read on.) The bags have only hand handles and no designer label. BUT they are sturdier, more durable and hold more than "over-the-counter" generic bags I examined as alternatives (locally). I could have saved (maybe) $15 on the pair elsewhere, but decided it wasn't worth the compromise. I use one of mine as a briefcase between work and home...whether I'm on the bike or not. So, in my case, I got more than I bargained for. In the future, if you need something from AZ again, please e-mail me and I'll see what I can do. (1) I get a 10-20% discount from the dealer. (2) I can ship Global Priority Mail at a fairly reasonable rate. This offer is only good May thru Dec. and when I'm NOT on the road. *SORRY* Ann '89 PC-AZ GHOST-HAULER Sat. 10.3.98 14:45 MST ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 18:22:53 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: PC800: Bar bag by Neill..was Glovebox.. Hi folks. A few of you have contacted me off-line to ask more questions about the Glovebox I purchased from Neill. Here are a few shots that I will leave posted for a while. This page was created as a quick and cheap solution. I spent all of 6 minutes on it, including the time to take the pictures, so don't expect much. http://www.magma.ca/~fsl/pc800/barbag.html As I mention on the page, the color of the bag didn't come out right in the picture. I took the picture about 10 minutes ago, when the sun was quite low in the sky and about to set, and I took it with an entry level digital camera. At least you can see it. The color is a much closer match to the handlebar covers than you would think based on this picture. Keep that in mind. bye for now.. fsl :-) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "The Broeking's" To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: Re: PC800: Aerostitch Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:29:42 -0400 Well, there is only one place to order an Aerostich, and thats from = Rider's Warehouse. They sew it after you order and it takes about three = weeks currently. Their website an be found at: = http://www.aerostich.com/ I have the red one with black trim to match the 98 PC. Due to the = zippers that make it easy to get in and out, the garment is about 97% = waterproof, but certainly will keep you dry behind the PC fairing on = commutes in all but the heaviest downpours when it not safe to be out = anyway. The Firstgear Solo Exepedition is also getting a lot of = converts and it , although not made of Gore-Tex, may even be more = waterproof. Until Rider's Warehouse starts double flapping all zippers = like The North Face does on my alpine Mountaineering gear, it will not = be 100% waterproof. The Rider's warehouse people in Duluth (where you = can get a 10% discount by going up there) are the nicest people I know. = The cost for the 1 piece suit is $667 and the 2 piece is $697... My 2 = cents... Bob Bob Broeking in Springfield, VA.... http://whitespider.aawsom.net "I'll get the rope..."Anderl Hinterstoisser, North Face of the Eiger, July 19th, 1936... broeking@erols.com -----Original Message----- From: Steven R. Zweigart To: 'PC800 Mailing List' Date: Saturday, October 03, 1998 2:13 PM Subject: PC800: Aerostitch =20 =20 After my ride in the rain today, during which I got absolutely = SOAKED wearing my "waterproof" jacket, I've determined that Aerostitch = is about to get some business from me. Looking for opinions: Where is = the best place to order Aerostitch, where they'll work with you = regarding sizing, returns if necessary, etc? Oh yeah...best prices, = too! =20 I haven't found any shop within 120 miles that has any 'Stitch to = look at...let alone try on. =20 Steve Zweigart Maysville, Kentucky '97 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. env-from (bdhopkins@pcisys.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Brian Hopkins To: "'Steven R. Zweigart'" , "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: RE: PC800: Aerostitch Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 17:26:19 -0700 Someone will tell you all about the 'stich, but just for another effort = First Gear makes a thing called a "solo expedition" suit that is = basically a 'stich copy. It's at your local dealer, (if not, try a BMW = dealer, tend to carry more clothing) and while not as well designed than = a 'stich, is more waterproof and much cheaper. Hope this helps, Brian D. Hopkins Bdhopkins@pcisys.net Still nothing here :( HSTA #8274 -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Steven R. Zweigart [SMTP:des1@ntr.net] Sent: Saturday, October 03, 1998 11:13 AM To: 'PC800 Mailing List' Subject: PC800: Aerostitch << File: ATT00000.htm >> After my ride in the rain today, during which = I got absolutely SOAKED wearing my "waterproof" jacket, I've determined = that Aerostitch is about to get some business from me. Looking for = opinions: Where is the best place to order Aerostitch, where they'll = work with you regarding sizing, returns if necessary, etc? Oh = yeah...best prices, too! I haven't found any shop within 120 miles that has any 'Stitch to look = at...let alone try on. Steve Zweigart Maysville, Kentucky '97 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. env-from (bdhopkins@pcisys.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Brian Hopkins To: "'Emile Nossin'" , PC800 Subject: PC800: Oh no, I'm bikeless Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 17:24:00 -0700 Yes, for the first time in 9 years, there is no bike in my garage. Arghhhhh. I bit the bullet today and spent an inordinate amount of money on a motorcycle. Unfortunately I had to trade both the VFR and the PC in to get it and it won't be ready (with all the goodies) until next Saturday. I'm sad. I'm actually going to have to drive (yes, drive, ick!) to work all week. I don't think I remember how to drive. :) Brian D. Hopkins Bdhopkins@pcisys.net Nope, nothing here for a whole week. :( HSTA #8274 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Luci36@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:45:38 EDT To: rocheux@JUNO.COM, indian@dorje.com Cc: indian@starklite.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, ROCKLINIZE@aol.com, Majacobs01@aol.com, Korzenny.S@apple.com, Billbob709@aol.com, Rocheux@JUNO.COM, porky48@JUNO.COM, katymalofwiseman@yahoo.com, Gilbiz@JUNO.COM, emjeje@JUNO.COM, booterre@silverplume.iix.com, KATYMALOF@prodigy.net, traskha@JUNO.COM, flatback@bhip.infi.net, krohn@sni.net, duda@sover.net, wprime1@JUNO.COM, Chrisbelieu@sprintmail.com, vespaed@wpol.com Subject: PC800: Re: FOUND! OLD CUSHMAN!!!! i think you sent me this e-mail by mistake. but good to hear from you anyway. bill had a cushman in the late 40's have a pix of him on it. CUTE! i have just returned from la, and san diego. fun time with my kids etc. sounds like you're rollin as usual lu -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 19:07:52 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: Brian Hopkins CC: "'Steven R. Zweigart'" , "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: Re: PC800: Aerostitch Just for info. First Gear was the suit of choice for Ron Ayres in June, 1998, when he rode his BMW from Maine to Alaska in 7 days and stopped in all 47 states in between. It was 49 states and 8798 miles in 7 days and 1 minute. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 19:09:32 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: Brian Hopkins CC: "'Emile Nossin'" , PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: Oh no, I'm bikeless What in the world would you trade a PC in on? -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Subject: PC800: Map Holders?! Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 01:08:55 +0100 Anyone got any ideas or info on a suitable map holder which will fit a PC800 'tank' without damaging the paintwork? Only one I know is by Baglux. But one need to purchase their Tank Cover first, on to which varoius tank bags and map holders, etc. fit. Very expensive and bit of an OTT for someone who just want a simple map holder! Job Sussex, England 1997 PC800, 350 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 19:18:52 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: pcsg@mistral.co.uk CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Map Holders?! One guy on the list made his own, with only suction cups, a map case and 4 screws and I think a little silicone to seal around the screws. Are you out there Chuck? -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 20:24:59 -0400 From: Rich Thorne To: PC800 List Subject: PC800: Adios Amigos Fellow Coasters: Took the erc today in Frederick MD. Instructor Marie Elena was superb and rode a PC to boot! We smiled a knowing smile at each other but did not bore the class with any gush. Course is still very valuable for weeding out the bad habits that creep in. Mine is not looking level when stopping. Need to work on that. Am signing off for two weeks of vacation. Ride safely, everyone. rich '97 PC 800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 20:45:22 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Donald Mackie Subject: PC800: High mileage tales... Leland and Dave: reference you're high mileage threads, I have a humbling tale: I had the pleasure today of having an hour long coffee break at the local biker clothing emporium with a gentlemen who I had previously heard stories about but had never met. Fred (missed his last name)currently has 561,000 miles (not a typo) on his somewhat ratty 1970 BMW R60/5. Fred, an engineer (what else?), typically drives 25k miles/year-- half commuting, half touring -- and he drives year round (with a side car in winter months). And Fred is not one of those fanatics who tears the engine down annually. He does oil changes on rather lengthy schedules and changes out parts only when they begin to affect reliability or safety. So far he has changed piston rings twice and done one valve job. Piston bores are original as are all bearings. Perhaps part of the reason for this longevity is the design of the machine itself, and I speak from experience since I purchased an R60/5 in Germany in 1970 (for $975) under an export delivery program. The R60 (600 cc boxer)), not unlike the PC, was a proven, simple but elegant design, with an understressed engine (about 36 hp, I think) and superb mechanical quality. The machine, far from a crotch rocket, was focused on the long distance tourer who might have to do a roadside repair in Bengladesh (case in point--shortly after I took delivery in Germany foreign matter in the gas caused the carb needle valve not to seat properly and leak gas. I stopped, snapped off float bowl which was secured by a tension ring, wiped out the float bowl and was on my way). I doubt if any recent vintage Beemer--which are now far more complex (and expensive)-- would ever go the distance of this remarkable machine. Don Mackie '96 "Slick" Boxborough, MA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Map Holders?! Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 02:30:52 +0200 Datum: zondag 4 oktober 1998 4:10 Onderwerp: PC800: Map Holders?! >Anyone got any ideas or info on a suitable map holder which will fit a >PC800 'tank' without damaging the paintwork? >Job You're up late... ; ) Don't know what's available in the UK, I've got a "Route 66" mapholder with 6 suction cups on it. It was about $17USD (f35NLG, +/- £10 (?)). I don't like the style of it, all the suction cups are on the end of 'leather/sky' straps, I was in a hurry to buy it then. But it worked fine in the Vosges. I saw a nicer one later, about the same cost, with all six cups hidden under two flaps. It was at Safe Motors in Holland under the name 'Booster'. They have stores all over Holland and one in Germany, if you happen to be on the mainland. But I'm sure they will have these kind of mapholders available over there. Otherwise I might be of some help (you can have mine : )) .Let me know... Greetings (and for later, sleep tight..), ___ [_ mile Nossin '90 PC800 "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Holland, Santpoort 'Never look back upon your live and say: " I should have done that....."' http://www.cybercomm.nl/~emile ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: PCSG Ltd. Aan: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Datum: zondag 4 oktober 1998 4:10 Onderwerp: PC800: Map Holders?! >Anyone got any ideas or info on a suitable map holder which will fit a >PC800 'tank' without damaging the paintwork? >Only one I know is by Baglux. But one need to purchase their Tank Cover >first, on to which varoius tank bags and map holders, etc. fit. > >Very expensive and bit of an OTT for someone who just want a simple map >holder! > >Job >Sussex, >England >1997 PC800, 350 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Cory" To: "Brian Hopkins" , "'Emile Nossin'" , "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Oh no, I'm bikeless Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 21:32:01 -0400 Brian wrote: >I bit the bullet today and spent an inordinate amount of money on a motorcycle. Ok, I'll bite.....what did you get? Cory '90 Honda Pacific Coast (Millennium Turtle II) Rainy Mid-Ohio -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. env-from (bdhopkins@pcisys.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Brian Hopkins To: PC800 Subject: RE: PC800: Oh no, I'm bikeless Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 20:53:29 -0700 I guess I did forget that. :) Ok, you've all heard my tales on long distance touring with an old man's = body on a young man's bike (VFR) and deciding I wanted something bigger = and more tourery. Having done multiple comparison between the ST1100, = the Triumph Trophy 900/1200 and the BMW R1100RT, I decided to go big = bucks and buy the BMW. It's quirky and I like that. Super smooth at speed and requires a = smooth operator. It just seems to fit my style of riding. (The trophy = is probably 2nd, but no ABS, :( ) Now, before you yell at me and say why did you trade your PC in. = Remember I've done this before. (last year actually) and ended up = buying another PC. I could still see getting another PC in the future. = (yes, again. :) ) But right now, I needed to use the trade in for the = RT. (BTW, membership into the Beemer club ain't cheap. :), they are = mighty proud of their toys. :) ) But since I'm bikeless for a while here, I think I'll still hang out = with this really really good group and the banter. On that note, I'm subscribed or get pieces and parts of lots of = different lists. This is by far the best list out there. The Triumph = list is pretty close, but overall this list wins hands down. =20 Take a bow, you all deserve it. :) Brian D. Hopkins Bdhopkins@pcisys.net Still nothing but soon to be a 1999 BMW R1100RTA with lots of overpriced = goodies. :) HSTA #8274 Brian wrote: >I bit the bullet today and spent an inordinate amount of money on a motorcycle. Ok, I'll bite.....what did you get? Cory '90 Honda Pacific Coast (Millennium Turtle II) Rainy Mid-Ohio -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jpatton@neptune.ConnectI.com Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:22:00 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: BUSHTEC??? What does anyone know about BUSHTEC trailers?? (Cost especially!) JPatton 89PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 23:18:37 -0400 From: Richard Stafford To: Steve Wilson CC: pcsg@mistral.co.uk, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Map Holders?! Steve Wilson wrote: > > One guy on the list made his own, with only suction cups, a map case and > 4 screws and I think a little silicone to seal around the screws. Are > you out there Chuck? > > -- > Steve Wilson Ruston LA. > > Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care > > Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer > 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck > > Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 > 7/98 SS1000 > I have one that Chuck made. Simple,neat design and well made. I beleive he made one for each of the East Coasters that met in Lexington. Just got mine in the mail today and it is going to be put to use soon. Chuck has been sent to Panama and may not be on the net. Dick -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Akoell@aol.com for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 23:38:37 +2000 (EDT) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 23:38:37 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Oil Filters, the end Thanks Rocky, ( I think) I apologize to all you listers out there. What i said, is truly what I believe, I'm not trying to be a smart ass. At present, I 'm on strike from my job; so my only income is from walking a picket line. To tell you the truth, when there's no money coming in, you don't worry about your bike, but only about how you're going to pay your bills; but I still will not back down from my previous words about buying the filter made for our bikes. Think about it, life is a little too short to worrry about saving a few bucks. Al, NJ'94 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ha1.rdc1.pa.home.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Alan Bowen" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Aerostitch Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 01:25:38 -0400 Francois, I considered the two-piece because it seems like it provides for more flexibility. Friends say the one piece has a slimming affect, but you'll never hear me ask "does this make my butt look big?" and I'm not trying to say that any of us are in any worse shape than Carl Weathers was in Rocky 2 or that you couldn't take him, but the one piece was a little cheaper. Speaking of cost, the Aerostich was just a little more than what I could find a leather jacket & chaps/pants for. Has that been your experience? Waltzing Matilda, eh? The name of your ride or do you camp? When I was in Australia I made a very attractive shop owner in Hahndorf outside of Adelaide explain the lyrics to me. -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Francois Saint Laurent To: Alan Bowen ; pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Saturday, October 03, 1998 5:24 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Aerostitch >I've got the Darien jacket, and will probably get the matching pants this -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lcshepp@ibm.net Date: Sat, 03 Oct 98 22:25:30 +0000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hi to all, I darn near forgot. I ordered a copy of the Guggenheim catalog for the "Art of the Motorcycle" from Amazon.com. Wow. The book is 10" wide, 12" tall and over 1.5 inches thick. This is a classy production. The table of contents consists of business card sized photos of each of the bikes featured. They missed one bet, though, as far as I am concerned. Their stated criteria for selecting the bikes to be included in the exhibit was "both for their innovative technical achievements and their aesthetic merits". As far as I am concerned, the Pacific Coast is probably the most beautiful production motorcycle ever made. Certainly it should have been included on its aesthetic merits... Oh well... Anyway, if you love motorcycles and motorcycling, this book is a must. And at $42.00 plus $3.95 shipping and handling, it is an absolute bargain as far as I am concerned. And Amazon was very impressive to do business with (my first order from them). IMHO... Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 115,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lcshepp@ibm.net Date: Sat, 03 Oct 98 23:03:34 +0000 To: pcsg@mistral.co.uk, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: misuse of engine braking... Hi Job, >> Engine braking can be a very safe way of braking in certain circumstances.
But the increased wear and tear on the transmission and engine as a result of using it for normal braking, would inevitably be much more than the cost of brake pads, one would have thought! << I've been using primarily engine braking over the past 34 years with my 10 bikes, 28 years with 4 Honda stick shift autos and 2 years with my Motorhome which has an exhaust brake (on a gas engine) in addition. I've seen no evidence to suggest that using the engine as a brake with any of these vehicles has done anything to shorten the life of any part of the drive train in any of them, even the motorhome. The worst that I would expect would be a shortening of the life of the clutches in the stick shift vehicles since I've shifted more often. In fact, though, I've not had any clutch problems either. My 1984 Civic has its original clutch and I have 169000+ miles on it. I have noticed an increase in brake life and since I downshift even in emergencies, my emergency stops have been more controlled. I can recall skidding only once and that was on a bike in a complete panic stop in about 1967 or 1968 (I remember the year because I was on a Honda 450 Condor which I only owned for part of 1967 and the beginning of 1968). I can't remember to what extent I was able to use the gears in that situation and that may well account for the fact that I skidded... Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 115,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lcshepp@ibm.net Date: Sat, 03 Oct 98 23:37:22 +0000 To: deere@linknet.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Oh no, I'm bikeless Hi, >> What in the world would you trade a PC in on? << Why in the world would you trade in a PC? Unless its on another PC... Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 115,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rocheux@juno.com by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQQJM86A; Sun, 04 Oct 1998 09:42:23 EDT To: annreid@juno.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:08:24 -0400 Subject: PC800: Re: PC CELLPHONES I think carrying a real cellphone in your trunk is a very wise move as you travel along. Rocky says, "Que laissez roule les bons temps...." 46 Ind Chief, 96 Kaw ZL600, 92 Suz 1400 Intruder, 96 Red PC800! FOUND, Old Cushman Scooter!* Its a '46! Huge warehouse chock full of used, cleaned refurbed business phones of all brands for sale! Very reas! Help! On Sat, 3 Oct 1998 15:11:53 -0700 annreid@juno.com writes: >Rocky, > > If you can't find a higer and better use (market) for those >"found phones," I have a suggestion. *GIGGLE* Remove the handsets >from the their tethers and label them (PC) Polish Cellphones - ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rocheux@juno.com by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQQJM9MQ; Sun, 04 Oct 1998 09:42:23 EDT To: bdhopkins@pcisys.net Cc: Emile@Cybercomm.nl, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:18:03 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Oh no, I'm bikeless What in the hell did you buy? You never said--what kind of dlr would not let you keep one bike until you take delivery on the new one??????? Rocky says, "Que laissez roule les bons temps...." 46 Ind Chief, 96 Kaw ZL600, 92 Suz 1400 Intruder, 96 Red PC800! FOUND, Old Cushman Scooter!* Its a '46! Huge warehouse chock full of used, cleaned refurbed business phones of all brands for sale! Very reas! Help! On Sat, 3 Oct 1998 17:24:00 -0700 Brian Hopkins writes: >Yes, for the first time in 9 years, there is no bike in my garage. >Arghhhhh. > >I bit the bullet today and spent an inordinate amount of money on a >motorcycle. > >Unfortunately I had to trade both the VFR and the PC in to get it and >it won't be ready (with all the goodies) until next Saturday. > >I'm sad. > >I'm actually going to have to drive (yes, drive, ick!) to work all >week. I don't think I remember how to drive. :) > > >Brian D. Hopkins >Bdhopkins@pcisys.net >Nope, nothing here for a whole week. :( >HSTA #8274 > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. env-from (bdhopkins@pcisys.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Brian Hopkins To: "'rocheux@juno.com'" Cc: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: RE: PC800: Oh no, I'm bikeless Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 07:41:02 -0700 What in the hell did you buy? You never said--what kind of dlr would not let you keep one bike until you take delivery on the new one??????? Fair question. Now remember, when you are trading, you are really selling your bike to = the dealer. I lost some leverage by trading both bikes in. (what = dealer wants two more bikes this late in the season). But the whole = deal is there and I didn't want to sell them one and not the other and = then something happen and the bike wouldn't' be worth anything and the = deal would be toast. But, he did let us take a nice new BMW R1100RS with me and my buddy (to = get both bikes down there) back to my house, to get a car and then = return the loaner. =20 Fair enough. I was ok with it. =20 Technically I could have picked up the bike late today but I'm having = quite a few goodies installed and they could have it done Tuesday night = but I work too late to pick it up on weeknights. So, I'm ok with that = too. Brian D. Hopkins Bdhopkins@pcisys.net '96 VFR '97 PC 800 HSTA #8274=20 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jim_bene@pacbell.net Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 07:28:46 +0300 To: Brian Hopkins CC: PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: Oh no, I'm bikeless OK, but by buying the Beemer you have no accepted the position of flame target. ;-) Brian Hopkins wrote: > I guess I did forget that. :) > > Ok, you've all heard my tales on long distance touring with an old man's body on a young man's bike (VFR) and deciding I wanted something bigger and more tourery. Having done multiple comparison between the ST1100, the Triumph Trophy 900/1200 and the BMW R1100RT, I decided to go big bucks and buy the BMW. > It's quirky and I like that. Super smooth at speed and requires a smooth operator. It just seems to fit my style of riding. (The trophy is probably 2nd, but no ABS, :( ) > > Now, before you yell at me and say why did you trade your PC in. Remember I've done this before. (last year actually) and ended up buying another PC. I could still see getting another PC in the future. (yes, again. :) ) But right now, I needed to use the trade in for the RT. (BTW, membership into the Beemer club ain't cheap. :), they are mighty proud of their toys. :) ) > > But since I'm bikeless for a while here, I think I'll still hang out with this really really good group and the banter. > > On that note, I'm subscribed or get pieces and parts of lots of different lists. This is by far the best list out there. The Triumph list is pretty close, but overall this list wins hands down. > Take a bow, you all deserve it. :) > > Brian D. Hopkins > Bdhopkins@pcisys.net > Still nothing but soon to be a 1999 BMW R1100RTA with lots of overpriced goodies. :) > HSTA #8274 > > Brian wrote: > > >I bit the bullet today and spent an inordinate amount of money on a > motorcycle. > > Ok, I'll bite.....what did you get? > > Cory > '90 Honda Pacific Coast (Millennium Turtle II) > Rainy Mid-Ohio > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Jim Alexander (I'm Baaaccckkkk) HSTA# 2307SU 89 PC800 (for now) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 11:37:37 -0500 Subject: PC800: Electronic Cruise Control Manual To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) I have a PDF file of the instruction manual for installing the PC800 model of the Motor Cycle Cruise control made by Two Brothers Cruising in Australia. I was on their web site and saw an online PDF of the GoldWing cruise control instruction manual so I emailed them Saturday afternoon (4:30 ET) asking if they had a PDF of the PC800 manual. They sent back the PDF at 5:34 AM ET! Now that's service! All the photographs are there as well as diagrams and full instructions. The pages are in reverse order, so page 1 is actually page 18 in the PDF. Let me know if you want a copy and I will email it to your address. It is a 436K file. Manufacturer: Tony & Frank Guymer MotorCycle Setup Pty.Ltd. 7 Moritz St BOX HILL Victoria, Australia 3128 Within Australia: Ph (03)9808 2804 Fax (03)9808 2445 International: Ph +61 3 9808 2804 Fax +61 3 9808 2445 Email: mcsetup@netlink.net.au. Web Site: http://www.mccruise.com US Dealer: Sport Touring Accessories 18 Macktown Road P.O. Box 569 Dillsboro, NC 28725 Phone (704)631-9084 Fax (704)631-9084*51 pemble@dnet.net Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: Cc: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: Re: PC800: Aerostitch Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:28:15 -0400 Good question, Ward. I'd be interested in hearing any comparisons, as I've looked at Tour Master as well. Seems like I've read more favorable articles about 'Stitch, though. Steve Zweigart Maysville, KY '97 PC -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: SPREADTHEM@aol.com To: des1@ntr.net Date: Saturday, October 03, 1998 3:46 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Aerostitch >Steve, > Let me know what you find out as well I was considering rain gear myself. >However, I was thinking about Tourmaster jacket and pants. Is Aeorstitch a >better product? > >Ward >PC800 Red >Illinois >20K > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: PC800: PC's Sound Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:35:55 -0400 Someone recently had a note in here about carb sync. and reduction of = "thumping" at idle. It's made me wonder if my PC "sounds right." At = idle, it has a really cool beat at several (3-5?) cycles per second (my = rough estimation). When it's a little cold, it seems to run a little = rough. I've always considered this normal, as I've not had anything = with which to compare it. =20 So my questions follow: What does a "normal" PC sound like at idle? = How does a "normal" PC run before being completely warmed up? How do = you know when you need your carbs synched, and what does it entail? How = much cost? Steve Zweigart Maysville, Kentucky '97 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Peter_N1@verifone.com To: Peter_N1@verifone.com, annreid@juno.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: RE: Wind Q & A = More Q's Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:06:32 -0700 Ann, My bike handles the same in the wind, no matter what the amount of gas or trunk contents/weight. I was riding yesterday with 5 other PCs and when we were in gusty wind conditions (4 of us on the freeway going home) I noticed that their bikes were dancing around a bit, as was mine. Nothing to be concerned about, just relax and ride with it. I think it has more to do with fully faired bikes, than it does with on "standard" bikes without windshields/fairings. I rode a Harley for a day in Hawaii a few months ago, and it seemed more firmly planted in cross wind gusts than does the PC. Areodynamics being different without windshield (but (I sure missed having one). Peter Noeth || SF Bay Area, CA || '96 w/8.3k and loving every minuite! (time for service) > ---------- > From: annreid@juno.com[SMTP:annreid@juno.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 6:30 PM > To: Peter_N1@verifone.com > Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Wind Q & A = More Q's > > Peter, > > Are your PC-Wind experiences the same with a full tank of gas as > with minimal gas? What about trunk contents/weight? Center of gravity > affecting handling .... maybe? I just sorta go with flow and try to > adapt to the situation .... wind, rain, toronadoes, hail, everything > except dirt and gravel. (Said Ms. Para Noid. AKA: Dirt-O-Phobic) > > Ann-The-Curious > '89 PC-az Ghost > Thu. 10.1.98 18:25 MST > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Peter_N1@verifone.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, jrandall@tricon.net Subject: RE: PC800: FW: tires and the PC800 Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:32:12 -0700 Coasters, I am hoping to be able to use the K491 series tire on my PC when it is time for new rubber (8,=.3k presently).I put a set of these on my '86 Nighthawk and had 20k miles on it before I traded it for the '96 PC I have now. I expect I could have gotten as much as 25K on those K491s. Although bthe PC is a heavier bike, they should give me around 20k if they fit. I also know that they emitted no noticeable tire noise, whether straight up or heavy leaning in corners. The K177s are quite noisey even straight up, and worse when leaning. Has anyone mounted the K491 series on the PC yet? I expect the that rear tire/trunk interference would be the major concern, but I know that there isn't a lot of front fender clearance either. Peter Noeth || SF Bay Area, CA || '96 w/8.3k and loving every minuite! (time for service) > ---------- > From: Jim Randall[SMTP:jrandall@tricon.net] > Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 10:32 AM > To: 'PC800 List' > Subject: PC800: FW: tires and the PC800 > > re tires for the PC, this is an old post but relevant. The rear K177 lasted > 17.5K miles. I was able to find another so I didn't mount the K491 as > speculated here. > > Jim Randall > jrandall@tricon.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Randall [SMTP:jrandall@tricon.net] > Sent: Sunday, May 03, 1998 12:57 PM > To: 'PC800 List' > Subject: tires and the PC800 > > I have about 10K miles on my K177s and since the recent news > regarding Dunlop's discontinuance of the K177 in PC sizes, have > been thinking a bit about my next tire purchase. > > I'm sure the Metzlers are fine performance tires but my riding > tends to be MUCH more touring than sporting in nature and previous > posts would seem to support the idea that the Dunlops provide longer > wear life than the Metzlers. My own personal experience is that > performance of the K177 is quite adequate for my riding style. > > As I guess the list knows, the K177 is the OEM tire on Gold Wings - > many Wing riders upgrade to the Dunlop 491 when they replace their > first set to get improved tire life and better wet traction. The 491 > is Dunlop's top of the line touring tire. The confusing information > on the Dunlop web site lists the 491 as an option for the PC but they > don't show the 80 series sizes that come on the PC as being available > in the 491. I'm assuming here that readers understand that the "80" > part of the tire size is the aspect ratio (i.e. the ratio of sidewall > height to tread width). Generally speaking and all else being equal, > lower aspect ratios provide a stiffer tire and one which tends to be > more performance oriented. Higher aspect ratio tires tend to provide > more sidewall flex and consequently a softer ride but less road feel. > > OK, given that, and the fact that my riding is pretty much touring in > nature, why not put 90 series 491s on the PC? Well, the front poses > a couple of problems, Firstly, the clearances between the fender and > tire are pretty tight on the front and a slightly taller tire just > might not fit. Also, a taller front tire would introduce some > speedometer error (indicated speed would be less than actual). > Secondly, there's not a 491 (at least not listed on the Dunlop site) > in the required 17" wheel size. However, the clearances at the rear > on the PC are more generous and it's possible one might fit. There is > a 491 available in 140/90x15. The approximate difference in radius > should be about 14mm which would appear to be "no problem" based on > eyeball analysis. The 90 series 491 has the added advantage of a > higher maximum load rating of 739lbs vs 677lbs for the 80 series K177 > and would effectively raise the final drive ratio by about 5% (i.e. a > reduction of about 200 rpms in top gear). > > We were at my local Dunlop dealer on Saturday to replace the rear tire > on Nancy's Nighthawk. One interesting side note, the 491 we put on her > bike in the 130/90x16 size has a load rating of 830lbs - the added 1" > in wheel diameter makes a big difference in load rating. At any rate, > I asked the dealer (who claims to be the largest Dunlop dealer in this > area) about fitting a 491 on the rear of the PC. He said he had put 491s > on several and that the owners had all been satisfied. His price on a > 491 is $98 + $10 m&b. He happened to have a K177 (120/80x17) still on > the rack and sold it to me for $68 - less than mail order pricing. Even > though I won't need a new front tire for several months, given the > demise of the K177 and the bargain price, I just couldn't pass it up > (it has a 4/97 birth date). > > OK, bottom line, unless something better comes along before I need > a new rear, I planning to mount a 491 on the PC. Given my current riding > plans, I probably won't need tires before Aug/Sept but I'll let the list > know how the 491 works out. > > Jim Randall > jrandall@tricon.net > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: LRaeMiller@aol.com for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:27:48 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: FW: tires and the PC800 In a message dated 10/4/1998 1:31:43 PM Central Daylight Time, Peter_N1@verifone.com writes: > Has anyone > mounted the K491 series on the PC yet? I expect the that rear tire/trunk > interference would be the major concern, but I know that there isn't a lot > of > front fender clearance either. I had the K491 on the back of the 89 that I just sold. It worked just fine with me 1-up -- the suspension was set on the highest notch. The couple who bought the bike were riding for a month in the US this year and we rode a little with them before they took off for the West coast. It was working just fine for them also. We had a K177 on the front, I think because they don't make a K491 for the front (but I could be wrong about that). Lynda Miller Wichita, KS 90 PC "Val" 16200 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:28:46 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "A. Bruce Robinson" To: Subject: PC800: Pacific Coast Ride on the Year 2000 Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:23:24 -0400 Importance: Normal Listers: forgive me (i'm a newbie) if this has already been covered, but i've heard that there is a ride on the pacific coasts highway in 2K, is this true / where can i get info? TIA A. Bruce Robinson Princeton, NJ twostrokebruce@worldnet.att.net v2bimota@aol.com icq 5099113 desmoHead -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 14:52:42 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: "Steven R. Zweigart" CC: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: Re: PC800: PC's Sound Steve from Steve, I had mine synced at 700 miles and didn't realize how rough it was running until it was running right. It involved taking off the front seat, the side covers below the tank cover and the false tank. A carb syncronizer was attached and the carbs balanced. My dealer has a 1/2 price special on all new bikes brought in for their first check-up and it cost me about $70. It included oil and filter, syncronizing, plugs and a bunch of other checks, tensions and rear end grease and such. As soon as I rode it off it was apparent that the carbs were off from the factory, if they were even touched at all. I'm sure anything done at the factory would change a great deal after being run a while and parts seating and fitting better than when just assembled. It now runs much smoother and with more power than before. I have since changed to the K&N filter and it is even better. It still sounds like a v-twin but not like a Harley with a muffler. If you haven't had your synced yet, you should be amazed. YMMV -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 7/98 SS1000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ha1.rdc1.pa.home.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:10:30 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Alan Bowen" To: Subject: PC800: Adjusting rear suspension Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:12:13 -0400 I'm interested in adjusting the pre-load setting of my PC up a notch. The owner's manual kind of explains how to do this, but is this the type of thing I can do by myself? It feels like I've got to pull so hard that I'll pull the bike over on top of me! Thanks. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Adjusting rear suspension Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:25:54 +0200 -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Alan Bowen >I'm interested in adjusting the pre-load setting of my PC up a notch. The >owner's manual kind of explains how to do this, but is this the type of >thing I can do by myself? It feels like I've got to pull so hard that I'll >pull the bike over on top of me! > I set mine to the highest (4), the lower settings were to soft when hitting potholes or bumps, really a pain in the back untill I set it from 1 to 4. I needed a lot of strength for it too. It not only has to turn, but also has to go over the notch(es). Violence helped eventually. If I can do it by myself, you certainly can... believe me. Maybe it will help if someone will hold the bike for you, to be sure it won't fall on you. ___ [_ mile Nossin '90 PC800 "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Holland, Santpoort 'Never look back upon your live and say: " I should have done that....."' http://www.cybercomm.nl/~emile ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Subject: Re: PC800: Map Holders?! Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:04:31 +0100 Thanks again Leland, I had similar replies from fellow listers. The dealer appear to have charged me 15% more than Honda List Price on all the extras I ordered with the bike. But gald to know that I got genuine parts. But considering that I made the purchase from England, there is no way I could have shopped around. Honda (UK) Dealers will supply the parts, but they policy is to just change the currency symbol from $ to £, which means 70% more than the Honda List Price in the US! For example an oil filter cost £9.50 here (equivalent to US$16.15c) Ah well, I am glad to be able to ride a PC800! Job Sussex, England -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Subject: PC800: Map Holder and things Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:20:21 +0100 Thanks Ward! I am now in touch with Neill Thompson who makes this clever item. He is going to make one for me too! I know only two others with PC800s in whole of Sussex, England. You lads and lassies on the list really makes us feel part of the family! Job ---------- > From: SPREADTHEM@aol.com > To: pcsg@mistral.co.uk > Subject: Re: PC800: Map Holders?! > Date: Sunday, October 04, 1998 10:40 AM > > Job, > Try this on for size! It was sent by another lister and it is only $40 > bucks. It is a map holder and a fanny pack from what I hear when not on the > bike. Assortment of colors too. > The PC800 Glovebox is > specifically designed f... > > Ward > 1990 PC800 20K Red -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Subject: PC800: Cheap Motorcycle Parts ??!! Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:30:43 +0100 I came across the following company whilst browsing: http://www.cycle-parts.com "Your Internet Source For Discount Motorcycle Parts" "We can boast better prices on factory parts for motorcycles than you could find at most other outlets. Most prices range from 15-45% off retail". Has any fellow listers had dealing with them? If so what did you think of them? Job Sussex, England -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: annreid@juno.com by x16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQRKLPND; Sun, 04 Oct 1998 19:18:15 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:18:34 -0700 Subject: PC800: TWO '96 AZ PC 4-SALE Western Honda (South Scottsdale dealer) has 2 red 1996 PC's. Both looked to be in pristine condition, but they were being stored in a sea of "other" bikes and I did not get to hear them run or fondle them intimately, altho I did sit on one. It seemed lower than my '89; perhaps shocks adjusted lower?? One has about 4,000 miles and the other 1,000 miles on odometer. They are asking $6,800 plus 7% tax ($476) plus license (probably $250-ish). They are willing to negotiate. IMHO, they are too high! They took them in trade for 1100 Shadow Tourers....I think. If interested, call TONY (Avoid Ali !!!!) or Brian at Western Honda, tele. (602) 994-8400. SIDE NOTES: Since they are used, and I know the dealer, I'm sure I could take them for test drives (to all the right places). Depending upon where you live and time of year, I MAY be able to drive it to you. (She said, looking for an excuse to run away from home on an arrest-me-red PC.) It is also possible, if you live outside Arizona, that you may be able to get it licensed cheaper in your home state. Tony said that under Arizona law, he would still have to charge sales tax UNLESS he crated and shipped it out of state. Ann '89 PC-AZ GHOSTLINE Sun. 10.4.98 15:00 MST ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Arvid_L=F8vik?=" To: "PC 800 Mailserver" Subject: Re: PC800: BUSHTEC??? Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:30:08 +0200 Hi, I bought a 1989 PC from Ca., that came with a 1993 Bushtec Turbo trailer. Since I have only had the bike for 2 months, I have not driven it with the Bushtec for more than about 1500 miles. The Bushtec is in MHO absolutely the finest trailer on the market, and with 16" wheels and air assisted damping , You can not notice it behind the PC. When I collected the bikes in Germany and drove them home we started marching at about 100 Km/h but since we had very little time to reach the ferry in Denmark, the tempo went up. To travel 140-160 Km/h with the Bushtec was no problem at all, I just checked the mirrors quite often to check that it still was there! Since I got the Bushtec as a package deal I will estimaste that I paid $1300 -1500 for mine . It is pristine and have a few options like carpeted interior, interior light, chromed neck, 7 spoke aluminium wheels. Bushtec have a very informative site on the net at : http://www.bushtec.com/index.html and their CEO John Preston have been very helpful and quick to answer all my questions when I have mailed them. To have a look at my PC and Bushtec ( on the Bushtec site as The Rig Of The Month for October) : http://www.bushtec.com/kudos.html or at My homepage : http://members.tripod.com/~Lovik/index.html Regards Arvid Stavanger Norway -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jpatton@neptune.ConnectI.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: 4. oktober 1998 05:16 Subject: PC800: BUSHTEC??? >What does anyone know about BUSHTEC trailers?? (Cost especially!) > >JPatton >89PC > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "Kong" Cc: "Pacific Coast Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: The Estimate: One for the deer Part III Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:42:55 -0400 Regarding your estimate: GEEZ!!! I hope you're going to try to get some alternative estimates! Poor Torchy!! Steve -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:23:00 +0100 To: abowen@home.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Paul B. Atkins" Subject: Re: PC800: Aerostitch Allan, I have the stich jacket and pants and like em like you do.! Paul At 3:51 PM -0500 10/3/98, abowen@home.com wrote: >I'm a new rider (started June 98) and bought an Aerostich for three reasons: > >1) Safety. Riderwearhouse and others have tested the suits and have found >it's the best thing next to competition raceing leathers. I never plan to >ride in the rain, but I like the 95% waterproof-ness when I get caught out >and feel safer when I do. > >2) Convenience. I feel safe wearing anything under the 'stich. In the >summer, I would ride with shorts & a t-shirt with all the vents full open >and the leg zippers open, as per the Riderwearhouse recommendation even >though they state a theoretical possibility of severe burning (though that >has happened to none of the suits involved in accidents sent in for repair). >I can even a wear a business suit and ride to work. Hairdo by Honda. I >hope to do some serious touring, too, and couldn't imaging going without. > >3) Appearance. Even though I've got the beer belly, I don't think I'll ever >fit the "look" of a "biker" nor do I really care about that. I think the >Aerostich and the PC go together amazingly well and that you'll look better, >cooler, and badder wearing that rather than a cruiser-style leather jacket & >chaps. And it's a fact that just wearing the 'stich will add 15 horsepower >and shave a full second off the 0-60 times! > >I'd like to know the percentage of PC riders w/Aerostich's. It's got to be >high. > >Alan >'97 PC >http://members.home.net/abowen > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Disposition-Notification-To: ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:14:22 +0100 To: di9731@vci.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Paul B. Atkins" Subject: Re: PC800: Modulator blinks at night? Doug, mine does the same thing...modulates after dark when it gets up to about 3 k. I called Kisan and Andy said it ws a noisy electical problem on the bike and recommended the dealer check it out. I plan to do that in the next few weeks when I take it in for 8 k servic and end of year service. Or, Andy said he was new modulators with a bigger filter...let me know what happens, OK? Paul At 10:42 PM -0500 10/1/98, di9731@vci.net wrote: >My modulator works while sitting at idle...put thumb on it and it goes >off,, works perfect...run rpms up to 2800,,starts modulating ,,,won't stop >until rpms go back down,,, >HELP? >or do I call them ,,, >Doug > > >At 09:18 PM 10/1/98 -0400, Rich Thorne wrote: >>Scot, >> >>My experience with the Kisan is that placing your thumb over the sensor >>is not adequate to stop the modulating. Put a totally opaque object >>over it for the real test. I also thought a thumb would do it. Wrong. >> >>Perhaps it was becoming light when the modulator restarted. Riding into >>the night I found it modulated long into dusk, but when it stopped it >>did not falsely return to modulating. >> >>rich >> >> >>Scot Piper wrote: >>> >>> It's been about 2 weeks since I installed a Kisan headlight modulator. >>> It's worked fine until this morning. It was pitch black at 0600 when >>> I left for work. I rode 5 miles with the high beam on (no modulation) >>> then went to low beam in traffic. When I went back to high beam 5 >>> miles later, it started modulating. I could not get it to stop, no >>> matter what I did. The sensor is between the tank cover and the >>> handlebars - I even put my thumb over it. Any suggestions before I >>> call Kisan? >>> >>-- >>Visit the PC800 web page at >>To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >>message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >>To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >> > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Paul B. Atkins patkins@mari.net Marinette, Wisconsin 1996 Pacific Coast -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:48:42 -0400 (EDT) To: annreid@juno.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: TWO '96 AZ PC 4-SALE At 3:18 PM -0700 10/4/98, annreid@juno.com wrote: > It is also possible, if you live outside Arizona, >that you may be able to get it licensed cheaper in your home state. Tony >said that under Arizona law, he would still have to charge sales tax >UNLESS he crated and shipped it out of state. > >Ann Is this really how it works? I thought the dealer only had to charge sales tax if he had the vehicle licensed, or if he sold it to a resident of Arizona. An out of state buyer should be able to purchase it without tax, and get a temporary transit permit to drive it back to their state. They would be expected to pay their home states tax rate on the purchase price when they go to get their plates for it at the DMV once they get back home. I'm just guessing here. I have no experience with Arizona state tax laws, but I have bought vehicles in other states for out of state licensing, and the above rules applied. I'm curious now....in case I ever buy something in a state that works the same way as Arizona..... fsl :-) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lcshepp@ibm.net Date: Sun, 04 Oct 98 20:44:32 +0000 To: jrandall@kpt1.tricon.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Front End Problems Hi Jim, >> Leland, try declerating (just engine braking) from 55 to 35 without your hands on the bars. I pick up perceptble but not dangerous head-shake about 45. << I tried it today. The first time I started at 60 and dropped all the way to 35 with no discernible shake (I couldn't see or feel one); the road was smooth. Later on in my ride, I tried it again, this time on a rougher section of road. I started at 55 and at about 45 could see the handle bars shake slightly and then as the speed dropped below 45, it disappeared. I continued dropping until I was at or below 35. A short time later, I tried it again, this time on a smooth section of road again. I started at 55 and went below 35 with no visible or tactile shake. I think that what happened on the rough section of road is what the tire and shock absorber people call "rough spot shimmy". It happens on cars, it happens on motorhomes, busses, trucks, etc. so I wouldn't expect motorcycles to be exempt. Sometimes it can be very bad. It happened to me once with my motorhome and it was so violent I had to stop the coach; it tore up the steering stabilizer in that case. My motorhome is mid-sized (31 foot class A) but weighs about 15000# as I have it set up; the shaking was so bad I could barely hang onto the coach while I got it stopped. I have had the front on the PC shake slightly before in a similar situation (hands off the bars on a rough section of road) and didn't think too much about it because of the situation. I'm not convinced it indicates a real problem... The tire and shock absorber people don't recommend doing anything unless there is real damage as in the case with my motorhome. Under all other circumstances, the front end of my PC is just fine. I'm going in for service the week of the 12th of October; I'll talk some with my mechanic about it and see what he thinks. FWIW... Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 115,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:44:27 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 21:35:44 -0700 From: Neill and Stephanie To: "Steven R. Zweigart" CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: The Estimate: One for the deer Part III Looks like a parts donorcycle to me. Steven R. Zweigart wrote: > > Regarding your estimate: GEEZ!!! > > I hope you're going to try to get some alternative estimates! > > Poor Torchy!! > > Steve > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: CyVaquero@aol.com Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:44:43 EDT To: annreid@JUNO.COM, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: TWO '96 AZ PC 4-SALE I'm sure they can be brought down. Speaking from a town in AZ (Yuma) where most people either go to Phoenix or National City for better deals on vehicles, I picked my '96 up for $5100 before taxes and etc. in July. Let me know if you are looking, I could check with my dealer and see what he can dig up. Ann, could you send me the addresses of any good cycle shops in your neck of the woods? I plan on taking a ride up there before the first snow sets in, LOL CyVaquero '96 PC 2500 and climbing oh yeah and I actually have a mod, well sort of Chase-Harper Eurosport Tank Bag and waiting on my Backrest (backordered till sometime this week) seriously looking at one of those gloveboxes (going to Puerto Penasco next month) Stay Up. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: CyVaquero@aol.com Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:46:49 EDT To: annreid@JUNO.COM, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: TWO '96 AZ PC 4-SALE P.S. Mine was brand new, but this being a marine town I think the dealer was trying to make room for another CBR or Vulcan CyVaquero That's my three cents for now. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lcshepp@ibm.net Date: Sun, 04 Oct 98 21:26:16 +0000 To: rocheux@juno.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: PC CELLPHONES Hi Rocky, >> I think carrying a real cellphone in your trunk is a very wise move as you travel along. << I agree. I always carry mine. I have discovered that even when I'm out in the boonies it can be a help (maybe especially there). Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 115,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lcshepp@ibm.net Date: Sun, 04 Oct 98 21:47:25 +0000 To: annreid@juno.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: TWO '96 AZ PC 4-SALE Hi Ann, >> It seemed lower than my '89; perhaps shocks adjusted lower?? << Or something. I believe that the seat height has been listed as 30.1 inches from the beginning and still is. Those prices are too high. Honda's list for a new '98 is like $6699 or some such thing - at least that's what it said on their web site. I know the prices had gotten back up over $8000 new and I heard here that they lowered it in July. The list on mine when I bought it in late '93 was $6498. Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 115,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lcshepp@ibm.net Date: Sun, 04 Oct 98 22:02:29 +0000 To: GuntherSki@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Front End Problems Hi Gunther, >> How much were the plug wires? One of mine has come apart. The cooper inside was corroded and green. I trimmed the offensive material off, trimmed back some insulation to get to "good" wire and put it back together. However, I think the wire should be replaced.... << One of mine was broken or falling apart. The two front wires actually screw into the cap and that section was coming apart on one of them. They cost an arm and a leg. I didn't want to replace just one because that would throw the whole thing out of balance, I suspect. So I bit the bullet and bought the whole set, hold your breath, for $111.33 + over $8.00 of tax. My mechanic only charged me $36.00 (.75 hours) to install them. He started to charge me .5 hours and I said, "John, you need to make a living from this business! I appreciate the break but you worked on them longer than that." I think he was feeling badly that the wires were so much... Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 115,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jim_bene@pacbell.net Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 22:24:16 +0300 To: lcshepp@ibm.net CC: jim_bene@pacbell.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Front End Problems Well, you must admit, you are different than the average PC800 rider. Most of your miles (I would expect 80%) were freeway miles. That would have a significant affect on the longevity of both your steering head and wheel bearings. When a good portion of miles come from riding on twisty road (i.e. 50% or more), there is going to be much more effect on the bearings. Your engine is going to last a great deal longer than the average PC. I do agree that I have not had any head shake on the current 89 PC800 I am riding, but as even my commute is done on back roads, I realize I am going to stress the bearings more than my previous riding styles, so changing the steering head and wheel bearings will be cheap insurance. It takes time, but it is not hard to do. lcshepp@ibm.net wrote: > Hi Jim, > > >> > There is a problem with the Steering Head bearings on most of the Honda bikes. The > << > > Interesting. Look at the miles I have on mine and I have no noticeable problem with the bearings > on mine. No shake, etc. I often lock the throttle and with both hands off the bars peel back the > gauntlet on my glove to check my wristwatch. Even on somewhat bumpy pavement I've done this with > no ill effects, no shaking. > > Leland > '94 Pacific Coast > "Black Beauty" > 115,000 miles -- Jim Alexander (I'm Baaaccckkkk) HSTA# 2307SU 89 PC800 (for now) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. via smtpd (for mailrelay.data-io.com [139.138.100.89]) with SMTP; 5 Oct 1998 06:41:44 UT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Cotes, Steven" To: "'Steven R. Zweigart'" , "'PC800 Mailing List'" , "'Brian Hopkins'" Subject: RE: PC800: Aerostitch Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:42:25 -0800 The latest MC News has a review of the FirstGear Solo Expedition. It was somewhat less then glowing. I bought the FirstGear Kilimanjaro jacket and Hypertex pants last Spring. Although both have served me well, I'm planning on getting something else this Winter. When it is cool or cold they are fine. When it is warm, the jacket is warm and the pants are HOT. The jacket has venting and as long as you are moving it works fairly well. Both are made from coated nylon and don't breathe at all. Since the pants don't have any vents, when it gets over 80 they can get more then warm. After looking through a bunch of catalogs I'm leaning toward either Road Gear or Motoport. - steve cotes - '96 PC - Near Seattle, WA > ---------- > From: Brian Hopkins[SMTP:bdhopkins@pcisys.net] > Sent: Saturday, October 03, 1998 5:26 PM > To: 'Steven R. Zweigart'; 'PC800 Mailing List' > Subject: RE: PC800: Aerostitch > > Someone will tell you all about the 'stich, but just for another > effort First Gear makes a thing called a "solo expedition" suit that > is basically a 'stich copy. It's at your local dealer, (if not, try a > BMW dealer, tend to carry more clothing) and while not as well > designed than a 'stich, is more waterproof and much cheaper. > Hope this helps, > > > Brian D. Hopkins > Bdhopkins@pcisys.net > Still nothing here :( > HSTA #8274 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven R. Zweigart [SMTP:des1@ntr.net] > Sent: Saturday, October 03, 1998 11:13 AM > To: 'PC800 Mailing List' > Subject: PC800: Aerostitch > > << File: ATT00000.htm >> After my ride in the rain today, during > which I got absolutely SOAKED wearing my "waterproof" jacket, I've > determined that Aerostitch is about to get some business from me. > Looking for opinions: Where is the best place to order Aerostitch, > where they'll work with you regarding sizing, returns if necessary, > etc? Oh yeah...best prices, too! > > I haven't found any shop within 120 miles that has any 'Stitch to look > at...let alone try on. > > Steve Zweigart > Maysville, Kentucky > '97 PC > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Subject: PC800: Fw: New 1997 PC800 for sale Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:22:04 +0100 ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PCSG Ltd. To: annreid@juno.com Subject: New 1997 PC800 for sale Date: Monday, October 05, 1998 9:21 AM Ann, I paid $5999 for a new 1997 model from Hacienda Motorcycles in Safford Arizona. I did not pay any local taxes. Only $15 for a Certificaye of Origin and 'Document Fee' $158,95. I understand they got one more for $6600. In addition to being HD Dealers they are also Honda, Yamaha and Kawasaki Dealers. I understand they have been in business for 30 years. Jim Delgado (nick name 'Cowboy') is the person I was talking to. They have a WEB Site: bike4u2.com Email: cactus@bike4u2.com Tel: 1-800-BIKE-4U2 or 520 428 4700 Job Sussex, England ---------- > From: annreid@juno.com > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: TWO '96 AZ PC 4-SALE > Date: Sunday, October 04, 1998 11:18 PM > > > Western Honda (South Scottsdale dealer) has 2 red 1996 PC's. > Both looked to be in pristine condition, but they were being stored in a > sea of "other" bikes and I did not get to hear them run or fondle them > intimately, altho I did sit on one. It seemed lower than my '89; perhaps > shocks adjusted lower?? > > One has about 4,000 miles and the other 1,000 miles on odometer. > They are asking $6,800 plus 7% tax ($476) plus license (probably > $250-ish). They are willing to negotiate. IMHO, they are too high! > They took them in trade for 1100 Shadow Tourers....I think. > > If interested, call TONY (Avoid Ali !!!!) or Brian at Western > Honda, tele. (602) 994-8400. > > SIDE NOTES: Since they are used, and I know the dealer, I'm sure > I could take them for test drives (to all the right places). Depending > upon where you live and time of year, I MAY be able to drive it to you. > (She said, looking for an excuse to run away from home on an > arrest-me-red PC.) It is also possible, if you live outside Arizona, > that you may be able to get it licensed cheaper in your home state. Tony > said that under Arizona law, he would still have to charge sales tax > UNLESS he crated and shipped it out of state. > > Ann > '89 PC-AZ GHOSTLINE > Sun. 10.4.98 15:00 MST > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. any local taxes. Only $15 for a Certificaye of Origin and =  'Document Fee' $158,95.

I understand they got one more for = $6600.

In addition to being HD Dealers they are also Honda, = Yamaha and Kawasaki Dealers.
I understand they have been in business = for 30 years.

Jim Delgado (nick name 'Cowboy') is the person I = was talking to.

They have a WEB Site: bike4u2.com
Email: cactus@bike4u2.com
Tel: 1-800-BIKE-4U2 or 520 428 = 4700

Job
Sussex,
England

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> From: = annreid@juno.com
> To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
> Subject: PC800: TWO '96 AZ PC 4-SALE
> = ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sunday, October 04, 1998 11:18 PM
>
>
> = Western Honda (South Scottsdale dealer) has 2 red 1996 PC's. =
> Both looked to be in pristine condition, but they were being = stored in a
> sea of "other" bikes and I did not get to = hear them run or fondle them
> intimately, altho I did sit on one. =  It seemed lower than my '89; perhaps
> shocks adjusted = lower??   
>
> One has about 4,000 miles = and the other 1,000 miles on odometer.
> They are asking $6,800 = plus 7% tax ($476) plus license (probably
> $250-ish).  They = are willing to negotiate.  IMHO, they are too high!  
> = They took them in trade for 1100 Shadow Tourers....I think.
> =
> If interested, call TONY (Avoid Ali !!!!) or Brian at = Western
> Honda, tele. (602) 994-8400.  
>
> = SIDE NOTES:  Since they are used, and I know the dealer, I'm = sure
> I could take them for test drives (to all the right = places).  Depending
> upon where you live and time of year, I = MAY be able to drive it to you.
> (She said, looking for an = excuse to run away from home on an
> arrest-me-red PC.) =   It is also possible, if you live outside Arizona,
> = that you may be able to get it licensed cheaper in your home state. =  Tony
> said that under Arizona law, he would still have to = charge sales tax
> UNLESS he crated and shipped it out of = state.
>
> Ann
> '89 PC-AZ GHOSTLINE
> Sun. = 10.4.98 15:00 MST
>
>
> = ___________________________________________________________________
&g= t; You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet = e-mail.
> Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com
> Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO = [654-5866]
> --
> Visit the PC800 web page at <URL:http://members.tripod.com/~pc800/>
> To unsubscribe from the list, send = "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a
> message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu.
> To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu.

 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: X-wind autolean ; I think I got it ! Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:16:00 +0200 It just hit me last night at 03:30. I just can't get these things out of my head.... But I think I have a pretty logical explanation for the 'automatic' leaning feature: Steering Geometry. You can see it when you lean your bike when standing still. When you lean left, the front wheel will turn left and vice versa. This is what makes a motorcycle dynamic stable. If you would jump of your bike while riding (with the throttle lock engaged to counter for headshake : )) it would make a few oscillations but eventually upright itself and keep on riding. Now imagine a crosswind from the right; bike wants to lean left; front wheel wants to steer left; precession of the front wheel will translate this force 90º further on the wheel (=countersteer); bike will lean right, voila... But then you would say:" this must be the same on all bikes, why is this so evident on the PC ?". No worries, I've got that covered as well in this hypothesis; it's large side area (the plastic) in combination with the low center of gravity. We all know the PC is just made for countersteering, it's very easy to flick left and right because of the low COG. And because it catches a lot more wind on the side than a naked bike, it will lean (and thus countersteer) very easy and quick. How about, did I win the tupperware set ? (and thank you Betty Laser for giving me sleepless nights over this ; )) ___ [_ mile Nossin '90 PC800 "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Holland, Santpoort "Eat well, sleep thight. For tommorrow comes and it's all yours." http://www.cybercomm.nl/~emile ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by saffron.neccsd.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id EAA03510; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 04:41:10 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Sattin, Harvey" To: "'John Mc Clun'" Cc: "'X PC 800 List'" Subject: RE: PC800: RE: Cruise Control Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:36:29 -0400 John, I've been looking for the right pair of grips to use with my VistaCruise. Did you have to cut these? Were they long enough? If I wanted a pair of these, what do I ask for? What grips did the rest of you use and are happy with? -Harvey Sattin, Brookline, MA '98 PC800W, 1100 miles, "Rhonda" > -----Original Message----- > From: John Mc Clun [SMTP:jmcclun@home.net] > Sent: Saturday, October 03, 1998 1:44 PM > To: PC List > Subject: PC800: RE: Cruise Control > > I too put on the two line control by cutting a slot in the plastic on > the under side. At the same time I removed thos hard hand grips and put > on the GoldWing sponge grips with a nice chrome ring up near the > control. This helps eliminate any "rubbing rubber against the control" > friction keeping the unit working slick (pun intended). > > John > 95 PC 800 > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by saffron.neccsd.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id EAA03526; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 04:51:04 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Sattin, Harvey" To: "'Steven R. Zweigart'" , "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: RE: PC800: PC's Sound Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:46:27 -0400 Steven, Mine thumps at idle like yours does, even with the carbs synched. It = takes a few minutes to warm up. =20 =20 -Harvey Sattin Brookline, MA '98 PC800W, 1100 miles, "Rhonda" > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven R. Zweigart [SMTP:des1@ntr.net] > Sent: Saturday, October 03, 1998 7:36 PM > To: 'PC800 Mailing List' > Subject: PC800: PC's Sound >=20 > Someone recently had a note in here about carb sync. and reduction of > "thumping" at idle.=A0 It's made me wonder if my PC "sounds = right."=A0 At > idle, it has a really cool beat at several (3-5?) cycles per second = (my > rough estimation).=A0 When it's a little cold, it seems to run a = little > rough.=A0 I've always considered this normal, as I've not had = anything with > which to compare it.=A0=20 > =A0 > So my questions follow:=A0 What does a "normal" PC sound like at = idle?=A0 How > does a "normal" PC run before being completely warmed up?=A0 How do = you know > when you need your carbs synched, and what does it entail?=A0 How = much cost? >=20 > Steve Zweigart > Maysville, Kentucky > '97 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:33:33 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: PC800: Carb sync process Hello everyone. I've been following the thread on carb sync lately. I have often wondered if my PC800 needs the carb synced, since so many of them seem to have left the factory in need of a better sync. I'm happy with the performance and mileage, but can't help but wonder if one or both of these could be better. Here's my question....has anyone on this list had their carbs synced and then experienced either a drop in power or mileage? fsl :-) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:43:36 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: X-wind autolean ; I think I got it ! Hi, Emile: I don't think your hypothesis will prove out. Your description of the action of the trail in the steering geometry is correct. That is, when the bike leans to the left, the steering will turn to the left (at small lean angles) and cause the bike to try to stand back up. Gyroscopic precession also aids in the process by also producing a left steering torque in response to a leftward lean, but this contributes less than 10% of the total effect on a PC. In a no-wind condition on a level surface, this natural stability will allow the bike recover automatically from a slight lean as you describe. However, with a perturbing side force due to wind, this natural stability would only limit the amount of lean rather than completely counteract it. With a constant side force, the bike would enter and maintain a stable turn away from the wind. Of course, as the bike turned, it would encounter progressively less side force due to the wind. Given enough space, the bike would continue to turn until heading "downwind" at which time it would resume a straight path away from the wind. In a crosswind condition, the natural stability of the bike must be augmented by extra steering pressure to cause the machine to lean into the wind sufficiently to generate enough sideforce to balance the force of the wind. On most motorcycles, this extra steering force must come entirely from the rider. On the older PCs, at least part of this extra steering force is applied automatically, probably because the change in the angle of attack on the the front fender valancing. Thus, instead of leaning away from the wind, they tend to lean almost immediately into the wind with little help from the rider. Hope this provides some food for thought, Emile, but I also hope it doesn't keep you up at night :). J.T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 08:48:35 -0500 Subject: Re: RE: PC800: Aerostitch To: cotess@data-io.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) cotess@data-io.com writes: >The latest MC News has a review of the FirstGear Solo Expedition. >It was somewhat less then glowing. >I bought the FirstGear Kilimanjaro jacket and Hypertex pants last >Spring. >Although both have served me well, I'm planning on getting something >else >this Winter. When it is cool or cold they are fine. When it is warm, the >jacketis warm and the pants are HOT. The jacket has venting and as long >as you >are >moving it works fairly well. Both are made from coated nylon and don't >breathe >at all. Since the pants don't have any vents, when it gets over 80 they >can get >more then warm. > >After looking through a bunch of catalogs I'm leaning toward either Road >Gear >or Motoport. > > - steve cotes > - '96 PC > - Near Seattle, WA I've documented my quest for the perfect motorcycle riding apparel here several time before so I won't bore you with all the details, but I in the past 3 months I have had a TourMaster Cortech, Aerostitch Darien, and a Roadgear Ouray that I have sent back after the 30 day trial period. Steve, If you are thinking about the Ouray jacket from Roadgear (sharp looking and styled like the First Gear Kenya jacket) you will find it to be very, very warm on even a moderately warm day. Even after the lining is zipped out there is still what amounts to another full lining inside that is not removable. I found the padding on one elbow and one shoulder to be misaligned with my elbow and shoulder (no I don't get extra cash for my motorcycle addiction by ringing a bell at Notre Dame cathedral in Paris) and the venting was not adequate. They have non-removable knit wrist cuffs inside the sleeves that really hold in the heat too. My next trial will be a heated Gerbing Ultimate jacket (www.gerbing.com). Same price as an Aerostitch Darien (non heated), but with a removable fully heated lining. Gerbing's says they will put vents where I want, pockets where I want, and even do custom color combinations- no charge. I'm meeting the east coast distributor in Baltimore on Friday to check out the goods (that is another story in itself). Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2); Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:09:12 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: PC800: Discouraged Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:06:26 -0400 From: To: "Pacific Coast List" I've been holding off on throwing cold water on the list's enthusiasm for our namesake bike, but I've run out of patience. I read this list for several weeks before deciding that the PC800 was the bike for me, to replace my former "dream bike", a black-and-chrome Suzuki 800 Intruder. After some searching, and because so many folks had gone on and on about reliability and high mileage potential, I took the risk and bought a '90 with 44,000 miles on it. I'm beginning to regret the decision. I'm already $500 USD in repairs into it, and climbing. In just 6 weeks, and less than a thousand miles, new fork seals, new front wheel bearings, new speedometer cable, and a new tire (well, OK, I could see that one coming :-). Despite the tire, fork seals and wheel bearings, the bike still pulls constantly to the right. It makes for a very tiring ride, since I can't rest my right arm using the throttle lock without having to push constantly on the bar with my left hand. No amount of weight shift is enough to offset the pull. And, yes, I have adjusted the rear suspension, discovering, in the process, that the rear left shock is mounted backwards, making it a rotten chore to adjust. On top of all that, there's something wrong with the gear box. It shifts up fine, but downshifts feel very "gritty" and can take way too much force, especially when things get really warm, to the point of worrying about bending the shift lever or damaging the transmission. The service manager is very reluctant to "get into it", so I hate to think what it will cost when I finally can't put up with it anymore. On top of all that, I can't get more than 42 mpg, regardless of what grade/brand of fuel I use. I even managed to get some non-MTBE fuel, but it made no difference. My Aspencade 1200 gets as good mileage, with 50% more weight, and twice as many cylinders. Ridiculous! The bike looked in mint condition, when I bought it, and had all the maintenance records with it. Obviously, you can never be sure when buying a high-mileage bike. One very disgruntled PC owner... --- Jim Hart "Organization is necessary for things to exist; Chaos is necessary for things to evolve." -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: brian.hopkins@L3.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: bikes and religion Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:41:57 -0600 Honda riders talk to anyone who will listen, no one does. Harley riders only talk to each other. Moto Guzzi riders talk to God, a lot. BMW riders talk to God, but He has to make an appointment. I love it. Brian D. Hopkins Denver Colorado '99 BMW R1100RT (almost) HSTA #8274 HRCA CO-VFR "He moves rapidly following the path of him the much-praised, other goers cannot overtake him though he is moving easily..." -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Subject: PC800: Parts prices! Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:52:58 +0100 In July 1998, I ordered a PC800 for export to England from Hacienda Motorcycles, AZ. I also bought the following items at the prices they quoted me:- Front Nose Mask $58.95c Inner trunk Bags $71.30c Body Cover $100.00c Oil Filters, 3 off @ $12.37c Air Filters, 2 off @ $38.88c Workshop Manual $40.00c Since this was an export order, items were exempt from all US Taxes. But I had to pay 6.6% Import Duty and 17.5% VAT (our Sales Tax) to HM Customs & Excise at the UK Port of Entry. I could have ordered them here from a Honda (UK) Authorised Dealer (provided I gave them the correct Part Number!). In that case they would have charged me the official Honda price in the US, but with a £ sign and not $ sign ! Which at the current rate of exchange would be 70% more! So, I guess I still saved some money and the trouble of finding the correct part numbers. All you lads and lassies out there who are trying to save a few 'bucks' buying cheap third party parts please be careful! Never try to cut corners with brake components, tyres, oil and filters. Buying OEM Parts will give you the peace of mind that you are buying quality parts, which are much less likely to let you down. If it is of any consolation, remember that there are the likes of me abroad, who are having to pay very much more than you !! Good riding, Job Sussex, England following items at the prices they quoted me:-

Front Nose Mask =      $58.95c
Inner trunk Bags =      $71.30c
Body Cover =             $= 100.00c
Oil Filters, 3 off @   $12.37c
Air Filters, 2 = off @   $38.88c
Workshop Manual =    $40.00c

Since this was an export order, items = were exempt from all US Taxes.
But I had to pay 6.6% Import Duty and = 17.5% VAT (our Sales Tax)  to HM Customs & Excise at the UK = Port of Entry.

I could have ordered them here from a Honda (UK) =  Authorised Dealer (provided I gave them the correct Part = Number!).
In that case they would have charged me the official Honda = price in the US, but with a =A3 sign  and not $ sign !
Which at = the current rate of exchange would be 70% more!

So, I guess I = still saved some money and the trouble of finding the correct part = numbers.

All you lads and lassies out there who are trying to = save a few 'bucks' buying cheap third party parts please be = careful!
Never try to cut corners with brake components, tyres, oil = and filters.  Buying OEM Parts will give you the peace of mind that = you are buying quality parts, which are much less likely to let you = down.

If it is of any consolation, remember that there are the = likes of me abroad, who are having to pay very much more than you = !!

Good riding,

Job
Sussex,
England

-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:26:18 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:25:24 -0400 From: "Dana L. Sawyer" Subject: PC800: Riding gear To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Folks looking for suitable comfortable riding gear might want to look at the Joe Rocket line. I do not have their jacket, but I have tried one out= and recommend it. I do have a pair of their ballistic pants, and one neat= feature for warm-weather riding is that the pants have long side zippers that open to reveal a narrow mesh fabric that connects the two sides. You= can leave this unzipped and air enters through the mesh area (about 2" wide) up past the knee. I bought a Dura-Trac short jacket for warm-weather riding and a Motoport Challenger long jacket for cold-weather riding.. I bought my pants at a vendor last year at Daytona, but they are sold by Competition accessories. Jacket - $219; pants - $129.99. Dana Sawyer P.S. I wore Aerostich for years and will probably go back to them. I like= the Darien jacket and pants set-up. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PLeray@aol.com Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:42:55 EDT To: des1@ntr.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: PC's Sound Steve, It may have been me who posed the question about carb balancing (or I might have written privately to someone, I fergits lately. Memorroids.). My '97 just clicked over 750mi and I've changed the oil/filter, so it's time to balance 'em. Found my ancient CarbSticks and will give it a shot this week. Several on the group have pointed out the increase in smoothness after the job. I've named mine Thumper Rabbit because it DOES thump nicely at idle. I like it. Can just see the little Disney guy grinning and thumping on the log in "Bambi". (Ooops, sorry Teal and you others, for mentioning DEER and Bambi !!!!!) Patrick in La. '97 Thumper Rabbit -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:00:49 -0700 (PDT) From: John La Subject: Re: PC800: Discouraged To: jhart@mail.lewiston.lib.me.us Cc: pclist Jim- Sorry you're having such a tough time. It sounds like you might not have gotten a true picture of the bikes condition from the prior owner. Maintenance records can be made incomplete. It sounds like the prev owner may have had a wreck that wasn't fixed right, or possibly bumped a curb or something. Take it someplace where they do crash work and ask them to look at it. As for the gritty downshifting, try a Moble-1 synthetic oil change and make sure the final drive oil is changed. Also when I changed my clutch fluid, it seemed to make shifting easier/ more responsive. Gas Mileage may improve when the front end is fixed, but my PC rarely gets 35MPG. John ---jhart@mail.lewiston.lib.me.us wrote: > > I've been holding off on throwing cold water on the list's enthusiasm for > our namesake bike, but I've run out of patience. > > I read this list for several weeks before deciding that the PC800 was the > bike for me, to replace my former "dream bike", a black-and-chrome Suzuki > 800 Intruder. After some searching, and because so many folks had gone > on and on about reliability and high mileage potential, I took the risk > and bought a '90 with 44,000 miles on it. I'm beginning to regret the > decision. I'm already $500 USD in repairs into it, and climbing. In > just 6 weeks, and less than a thousand miles, new fork seals, new front > wheel bearings, new speedometer cable, and a new tire (well, OK, I could > see that one coming :-). Despite the tire, fork seals and wheel > bearings, the bike still pulls constantly to the right. It makes for a > very tiring ride, since I can't rest my right arm using the throttle lock > without having to push constantly on the bar with my left hand. No > amount of weight shift is enough to offset the pull. And, yes, I have > adjusted the rear suspension, discovering, in the process, that the rear > left shock is mounted backwards, making it a rotten chore to adjust. On > top of all that, there's something wrong with the gear box. It shifts up > fine, but downshifts feel very "gritty" and can take way too much force, > especially when things get really warm, to the point of worrying about > bending the shift lever or damaging the transmission. The service > manager is very reluctant to "get into it", so I hate to think what it > will cost when I finally can't put up with it anymore. On top of all > that, I can't get more than 42 mpg, regardless of what grade/brand of > fuel I use. I even managed to get some non-MTBE fuel, but it made no > difference. My Aspencade 1200 gets as good mileage, with 50% more > weight, and twice as many cylinders. Ridiculous! The bike looked in > mint condition, when I bought it, and had all the maintenance records > with it. Obviously, you can never be sure when buying a high-mileage > bike. > > One very disgruntled PC owner... > > > --- > Jim Hart > "Organization is necessary for things to exist; Chaos is necessary for > things to evolve." > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 09:04:42 -0700 From: "Roy Thomassen" To: Subject: PC800: White PC800 on 85 North Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" This morning as I was commuting to work, I saw a white PC800 heading north on Hwy 85 from San Jose towards Mountain View. It (they?) was about 5-6 cars ahead of me in the commuter lane until around Saratoga Ave, then I rode left trail behind them until the Stevens Creek exit. It looked like they got on at Bascom Ave. The time was about 7:45am. Was that anyone on the list? How come you didn't wave back when I took the exit? ;-) Roy T. San Jose, CA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Peter_N1@verifone.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, LRaeMiller@aol.com Subject: RE: PC800: FW: tires and the PC800 Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:14:43 -0700 Lynda, Thanks for the reply. I definately liked the K491 series. Since they seemed targeted for "serious Gold Wing Tourers" I expected (and confirmed) that they are good long distance tires. If I remember correctly (it has been about 5 years since I have seen an add for them), they are a dual compound tire. Harder compound in the center for freeway riding, and softer compound on the sides for cornering. I found them to feel more "stickey" in corners that the OEM tires that came with the '86 Nighthawk. Peter Noeth || KE6ZJA || SF Bay Area, CA || '96 w/ 8k and loving every minuite! (time for service) > ---------- > From: LRaeMiller@aol.com[SMTP:LRaeMiller@aol.com] > Sent: Sunday, October 04, 1998 12:27 PM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: PC800: FW: tires and the PC800 > > In a message dated 10/4/1998 1:31:43 PM Central Daylight Time, > Peter_N1@verifone.com writes: > > > Has anyone > > mounted the K491 series on the PC yet? I expect the that rear tire/trunk > > interference would be the major concern, but I know that there isn't a lot > > of > > front fender clearance either. > > I had the K491 on the back of the 89 that I just sold. It worked just fine > with me 1-up -- the suspension was set on the highest notch. The couple who > bought the bike were riding for a month in the US this year and we rode a > little with them before they took off for the West coast. It was working just > fine for them also. We had a K177 on the front, I think because they don't > make a K491 for the front (but I could be wrong about that). > > Lynda Miller > Wichita, KS > 90 PC "Val" 16200 miles > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Peter_N1@verifone.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, jhart@mail.lewiston.lib.me.us Subject: RE: PC800: Discouraged Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:49:21 -0700 Jim, Sorry you are not happy with your purchase. I myself would be quite hesitant about purchasing ANY vehicle with that much mileage, for the simple fact that you do not know how the previous owner took care of it. Even having all maintenance done by a good dealership or reputable mechanic is still no guarentee against abuse or neglect. The PC does enjoy a good reputation for low maintenance and longevity, but the service schedule must be adhered to. Most of the services are prevenative in nature and are designed to spot potential trouble early on before it gets to be expensive. Also the owner has to CARE for the bike. Not abuse it by over revving, sloppy shifting technique, etc. I have known several people with the same identical car (same applies to motorcycles) and one ends up with excessive repair bills and the other has nothing but routine servicing bills. It is all in the way they treat the car. One constantly doing "full pedal" accelerations and tire screeching stops, the other uses only necessary acceleration for the circumstances and slows early to avoid excessivly hard braking. Either the previous owner of your bike abused it or possibly crashed it for it to be in such bad shape as you describe. At 44k you would expect some of the repairs you mention, but not all (you definately should have no transmission problem or steering problems). Peter Noeth || KE6ZJA || SF Bay Area, CA || '96 w/ 8k and loving every minuite! (time for service) > ---------- > From: > jhart@mail.lewiston.lib.me.us[SMTP:jhart@mail.lewiston.lib.me.us] > Sent: Monday, October 05, 1998 6:06 AM > To: Pacific Coast List > Subject: PC800: Discouraged > > I've been holding off on throwing cold water on the list's enthusiasm for > our namesake bike, but I've run out of patience. > > I read this list for several weeks before deciding that the PC800 was the > bike for me, to replace my former "dream bike", a black-and-chrome Suzuki > 800 Intruder. After some searching, and because so many folks had gone > on and on about reliability and high mileage potential, I took the risk > and bought a '90 with 44,000 miles on it. I'm beginning to regret the > decision. I'm already $500 USD in repairs into it, and climbing. In > just 6 weeks, and less than a thousand miles, new fork seals, new front > wheel bearings, new speedometer cable, and a new tire (well, OK, I could > see that one coming :-). Despite the tire, fork seals and wheel > bearings, the bike still pulls constantly to the right. It makes for a > very tiring ride, since I can't rest my right arm using the throttle lock > without having to push constantly on the bar with my left hand. No > amount of weight shift is enough to offset the pull. And, yes, I have > adjusted the rear suspension, discovering, in the process, that the rear > left shock is mounted backwards, making it a rotten chore to adjust. On > top of all that, there's something wrong with the gear box. It shifts up > fine, but downshifts feel very "gritty" and can take way too much force, > especially when things get really warm, to the point of worrying about > bending the shift lever or damaging the transmission. The service > manager is very reluctant to "get into it", so I hate to think what it > will cost when I finally can't put up with it anymore. On top of all > that, I can't get more than 42 mpg, regardless of what grade/brand of > fuel I use. I even managed to get some non-MTBE fuel, but it made no > difference. My Aspencade 1200 gets as good mileage, with 50% more > weight, and twice as many cylinders. Ridiculous! The bike looked in > mint condition, when I bought it, and had all the maintenance records > with it. Obviously, you can never be sure when buying a high-mileage > bike. > > One very disgruntled PC owner... > > > --- > Jim Hart > "Organization is necessary for things to exist; Chaos is necessary for > things to evolve." > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2); Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:07:05 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Discouraged Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:04:18 -0400 From: cc: "pclist" John La, johnla@yahoo.com writes: >As for the gritty downshifting, try a Moble-1 synthetic oil change and >make sure the final drive oil is changed. Also when I changed my >clutch fluid, it seemed to make shifting easier/ more responsive. > already did the Mobile-1 change...it didn't help; never occurred to me to change the final drive oil. Why would that affect shifting? I had the clutch and brake fluids changed, already. >Gas Mileage may improve when the front end is fixed, but my PC rarely >gets 35MPG. Wow...that's some different than the 50-60 mpg which many of the list members are reporting. >It sounds like the prev owner may have had a wreck that wasn't fixed >right, or possibly bumped a curb or something. He swears not. Only a driveway drop which scratched the crash bar covers, as others have reported doing. The triple clamp may have been pulled out of alignment when we trucked it home. After that is checked/fixed, we'll see what happens. Thanks for taking the time to give me some ideas. --- Jim Hart "Organization is necessary for things to exist; Chaos is necessary for things to evolve." -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Subject: PC800: Corbin Seats for 1997/98 PC800 not yet ready Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:06:22 +0100 My Email Correspondence with Corbin is given below. Eric Priors Email certainly saved me a lot of trouble. Thanks Eric. ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PCSG Ltd. To: Juan Torres, Office Manager Subject: Re: Corbin Seat for 1997 PC800 Date: Monday, October 05, 1998 6:57 PM 5 October 1998 Hi Juan, Could you please make sure that Battistini's in UK are aware of this. I placed an order with them last week. Please make sure that it is not dispatched. I certainly want a Corbin Leather Seat and will be in touch with you late Spring or early Summer 1999. Job Chithalan Goring, Sussex, England. ---------- > From: Juan Torres, Office Manager > To: PCSG Ltd.by way of Greg Hurley > Subject: Re: Corbin Seat Complaints > Date: Monday, October 05, 1998 4:58 PM > > Hi Job, > > Unfortunately we still have not redone the seat for the 97-98 PC.We still do > not have a estimated date for that seat.The best thing to do is call us or > right to us in a couple of months.As far as the complaints go we would not > be in business for 30 years if we did no care about our customers,after all with out you > guys we would not be in business.I apologize for the inconvenience, take care > and safe riding. > > Thanks, > Juan > Best Regards from > Mike Corbin's Workshop of Wizards > 800-538-7035 | http://www.corbin.com > > At 02:23 PM 10/2/98 -0700, you wrote: > >2 October 1998 > > > >I recently placed an order for the following items through your UK > Distributor, Battistini's, 6-7 Grand Parade, Poole Road, Westbourne, > Bournemouth BH4 9BA. > > > >Corbin Seat for 1997 Honda PC800 motorcycle in MAGNA Red. > > > >1. HPC 3-piece System with leather seating. > >Black Accent Pattern for the seating area with Smooth Black Leather on the > sides > >and other areas. Welting in colour co-ordinated MAGNA Red. £322 incl. VAT > > > >2. PR Backrest in leather. > >Black Accent Pattern for the front 'contact' area with Smooth Black Leather on > >the sides and back and other areas. Welting in colour co-ordinated MAGNA Red. > >£125 incl. VAT > > > >However, I was very alarmed today to read the following two Emails: > > > >From: Eric Prior > >Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > >Date: Friday, October 02, 1998 1:09 AM > > > >About six weeks ago I rode my '98 PC800 to the Corbin factory in Hollister > to have a seat custom fitted. I asked about having just the driver seat > replaced and they said they could probably do it (it would depend on how it > looked as far as size and shape) but may not be able to match the color of > the passenger seat. When they attempted to put the driver seat on the bike > it was terribly apparent that there was no way it was going to fit. The pan > of their seat was much narrower than the Honda OEM seat. Apparently there > has been a change in the size of the pan in the 97/98 PCs. They said they > hadn't put any of their seats onto the newer bikes, at least not at the > factory. They told me that if I wanted to leave my bike with them for a few > weeks later this year that they would use it as the prototype for making > seats for the newer PCs. I said I would take them up on the offer in November. > > > >If you have an older PC their seat my very well work but I would make sure > of the return policy before ordering it or better yet go to the factory in > person so they can custom fit it and get everything right before you leave. > They are very nice and will even give you a free breakfast in their 50s diner. > >An appointment is required. Check their web page www.corbin.com. > > > >Good luck and safe riding, > >Eric (San Jose, CA) > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------- > > > >From: Tosh Konya > >To: Eric Prior ; jpatton@neptune.ConnectI.com > >Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > >Subject: Re: PC800: the "IDEAL" seat concept > >Date: Friday, October 02, 1998 1:37 AM > > > > I'm not surprised their seat didn't fit because Corbin is living on a past > reputation. I've had personal experience with several different Corbin > seats and each was an ordeal. It took many calls and each time I called, I > had to talk to a different person who didn't know who I was so had to start > all over. Of course it always ended with an empty promise that my seat > would be to me in x-weeks. I had to repeat this process too many times and > I don't think their final product was worth the wait. > > > >My friends have also had similar or even worse experiences with Corbin so > I'm not an unusual case. Let them make their money on boots and electric > city cars. > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >Since I am in England, it will be very difficult if the seat will not fit > correctly the first time. > >If you are yet unable to supply a correctly fitting seat for the 1997 PC800 > please do not despatch the order. > > > >I look forward to your reply. > > > >Job F. Chithalan > >4, Chatsmore House > >Goring Street, Goring > >West Sussex, BN12 5AH > > > >If you need to contact me please phone +44 011 1903 505609. far as size and shape) but may not be able to match the color of
> = the passenger seat. When they attempted to put the driver seat on the = bike
> it was terribly apparent that there was no way it was going = to fit. The pan
> of their seat was much narrower than the Honda = OEM seat. Apparently there
> has been a change in the size of the = pan in the 97/98 PCs. They said they
> hadn't put any of their = seats onto the newer bikes, at least not at the
> factory. They = told me that if I wanted to leave my bike with them for a few
> = weeks later this year that they would use it as the prototype for = making
> seats for the newer PCs. I said I would take them up on = the offer in November.
> >
> >If you have an older PC = their seat my very well work but I would make sure
> of the return = policy before ordering it or better yet go to the factory in
> = person so they can custom fit it and get everything right before you = leave.
> They are very nice and will even give you a free = breakfast in their 50s diner.
> >An appointment is required. = Check their web page www.corbin.com.
> >
> >Good luck = and safe riding,
> >Eric (San Jose, CA)
> = >---------------------------------------------------------------------= ------
> ----------------------
> >
> >From: = Tosh Konya <ttk@erinet.com>
> >To: Eric Prior <eric_prior@appsig.com>; jpatton@neptune.ConnectI.com
> >Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
> >Subject: Re: PC800: the "IDEAL" = seat concept
> >Date: Friday, October 02, 1998 1:37 AM
> = >
> > I'm not surprised their seat didn't fit because = Corbin is living on a past
> reputation.  I've had personal = experience with several different Corbin
> seats and each was an = ordeal.  It took many calls and each time I called,  I
> = had to talk to a different person who didn't know who I was so had to = start
> all over.  Of course it always ended with an empty = promise that my seat
> would be to me in x-weeks.  I had to = repeat this process too many times and
> I don't think their final = product was worth the wait.  
> >
> >My friends = have also had similar or even worse experiences with Corbin so
> = I'm not an unusual case.  Let them make their money on boots and = electric
> city cars.
> >
> = >---------------------------------------------------------------------= ------

> >
> >Since I am in England, it will be = very difficult if the seat will not fit
> correctly the first = time.
> >If you are yet unable to supply a correctly fitting = seat for the 1997 PC800
> please do not despatch the = order.
> >
> >I look forward to your reply.
> = >
> >Job F. Chithalan
> >4, Chatsmore House
> = >Goring Street,  Goring
> >West Sussex,  BN12 = 5AH
> >
> >If you need to contact me please phone +44 = 011 1903 505609.



 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:41:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Miller Subject: Re: PC800: Discouraged To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Jim: I bought my PC new and I love it (wish I could say the same for my Honda dealer). Others who have taken good care of their PC's feel the same way. If you buy any vehicle with that much mileage, you must be prepared to pay the consequences. . . I hope you have a better experience after you get everything straightened out. I also get gas mileage in the mid-40's. I guess I wasn't expecting anything more. Tony Miller ---jhart@mail.lewiston.lib.me.us wrote: > > John La, johnla@yahoo.com writes: > > >As for the gritty downshifting, try a Moble-1 synthetic oil change and > >make sure the final drive oil is changed. Also when I changed my > >clutch fluid, it seemed to make shifting easier/ more responsive. > > > > already did the Mobile-1 change...it didn't help; never occurred to me to > change the final drive oil. Why would that affect shifting? I had the > clutch and brake fluids changed, already. > > > >Gas Mileage may improve when the front end is fixed, but my PC rarely > >gets 35MPG. > > Wow...that's some different than the 50-60 mpg which many of the list > members are reporting. > > > >It sounds like the prev owner may have had a wreck that wasn't fixed > >right, or possibly bumped a curb or something. > > He swears not. Only a driveway drop which scratched the crash bar > covers, as others have reported doing. The triple clamp may have been > pulled out of alignment when we trucked it home. After that is > checked/fixed, we'll see what happens. > > Thanks for taking the time to give me some ideas. > > > > > --- > Jim Hart == My homepage URL is http://members.tripod.com/~tlmiller/ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MJKasof@webtv.net (Madeleine Kasof) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:57:40 -0700 (PDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: a greaT dealer to use iam on my third pc since 1992 i have always traded them away for a bigger and better toy but always come back to the pc i bought a 98 from honda peninsula in sunnyvale calif i have bought several bikes over the years from them and consider them the finest dealer for service pricing etc i have ever encounterd mike the service mgr cant do enough for me to keep me happy and brad the owner is terrifilet me add i am ver very picky but their attitude is always one of friendliness and fair pricing good luck to everyone and mention me if you go to his dealership ha everyone heard about the great pacific coast ride in the year 2000? it should beterrifi joel kasof -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Discouraged From: Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org (Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 12:13:30 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (pclist) On Mon, Oct 5, 1998, 6:04:18 PM GMT jhart@mail.lewiston.lib.me.us wrote: >The triple clamp may have been >pulled out of alignment when we trucked it home. Uh oh... Trucked it home? Did you happed to attach the tie-downs to the handle-bars? There was quite some discussion on the list several months back about how easily the handlebars can be twisted/bent when using tie-downs attached to the grips. Although it could very well be the triple-clamps as well. I'd try loosening both the upper and lower triple-clamp bolts and with the front wheel braced, try twisting the handle-bars back into alignment. It's tricky on the PC because you can't get a good line-of-sight between the bars and the wheel. Good luck. Greg Torok 97 PC800 Bellingham, WA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 12:39:49 -0700 From: "Roy Thomassen" To: Subject: PC800: PC800 Mileage Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" Below is the spreadsheet I have maintained for mileage and fuel consumption. I ride briskly but not really aggressively. The bike is a "new" '96 I got on March 12. As I look through this it is apparent that I'm not riding enough. ;-) Your mileage may vary.... DATE AMOUNT GALLONS MILES MPG ODOMETER 5/18/98 $3.90 2.87 136.6 47.60 998.7 6/1/98 $4.35 3.154 141.7 44.93 1140.4 6/13/98 $4.06 3.032 143.1 47.20 1283.5 6/16/98 $4.65 3.579 163.3 45.63 1599.7 6/16/98 $3.90 3.002 145 48.30 1744.6 6/17/98 $4.65 3.471 143.7 41.40 1888.4 6/23/98 $4.40 3.335 142.3 42.67 2030.7 6/29/98 $4.55 3.347 152.6 45.59 2183.3 7/5/98 $4.25 3.319 150.1 45.22 2333.5 7/22/98 $4.75 3.392 152.8 45.05 2486.2 8/16/98 $5.00 3.164 133 42.04 2619.2 8/18/98 $4.55 3.376 155.4 46.03 2774.6 8/30/98 $3.90 3 123.2 41.07 2897.6 8/30/98 $2.50 1.92 98.7 51.41 2996.5 8/31/98 $4.45 3.423 161.7 47.24 3158.2 9/15/98 $4.70 3.678 165.2 44.92 3323.4 9/23/98 $4.40 3.439 157.3 45.74 3480.7 10/3/98 $4.00 2.703 108.8 40.25 3589.5 10/3/98 $2.20 1.373 63.5 46.25 3653 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: annreid@juno.com by x16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQTXXQDA; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 17:32:28 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:29:05 -0700 Subject: PC800: NO GUGGENHEIM PC Leland, GUGGENHEIM: As I recall (and you can email Bob Coffman or Neill Thompson for ALL the details), the prof said he thot about it long and hard, but wasn't enuf room since it was limited to 100-115 bikes (or somesuch) and subjectively omitted the PC in the final cut. *HISS, BOO* I agree, his explanation is not acceptable...to me! Me, prejudiced? *NAH* Ann Mon. 10.5.98 11:00 MST ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: annreid@juno.com by x16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQTXXP7Y; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 17:32:28 EDT To: fsl@borgconsulting.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:06:50 -0700 Subject: PC800: ARIZ. SALES TAX Francois, I do not deal with Sales Taxes here, only income taxes and our own corporate payroll taxes. The salesman told me if they crate it and ship it, they do not have to charge sales tax. I asked if there were a way I could personally deliver it to another state to an unrelated third party buyer and bypass the sales tax. He said, "No." However, I would double check with Ariz. Dept. of Rev. BEFORE paying it! Where there's a will, there's USUALLY a way. I think they do not have to license it in AZ but must do a transfer of title in AZ, which actually only costs about $12-$15 and takes a few minutes at MVD (gotta love those initials! *GRIN* ) in person.....if you're first in line at 7:30 am. Ann Mon. 10.5.98 11:00 MST ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: annreid@juno.com by x16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQTXXQD3; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 17:32:28 EDT To: jhart@mail.lewiston.lib.me.us Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:32:34 -0700 Subject: PC800: BUYING USED vs BEING USED Jim, I'm sorry you're having such a devil of a time with your PC. CURIOSITY: 1) Did you test drive the bike BEFORE buying? 2) How much did you pay for the bike? 3) What kind of a picture did the owner's paperwork paint? 4) How did you feel about (evaluate) the seller? What did his house and car look like? Well maintained? Did he seem mechanically conscious? Was he pushy? Anxious? 5) If you fix all known ills, how much will you have in her? Is that reasonable? ANN's SYSTEM: I test drove my '89 (9,400 miles, one owner, spring '96) on 3 consecutive days before deciding to buy. Also I had my (more experienced) biker budd test drive it as the steering didn't seem right. The tires were cupped badly; new tires cured the funky front end feel. I now have over 43,000 miles ... relatively trouble-free. I NEVER buy a vehicle that I cannot test drive. When I sold my Magna, I kept the prospective buyer's driver's license and a charge card (as collateral) and followed on my PC. I pointed out the two things I considered weak links to prevent buyer's remorse, and I gave him all the service receipts including any appropriate explanations. SIDE NOTE: I test drove two PC's at a dealer's as well. Both looked to be in rough condition (bodywise) and only one felt right during the test drive. The dealer wanted too much plus a gazillion add-on charges (not mentioned upfront) and he wouldn't budge. Neither would I. I bought elsewhere. SUGGESTIONS REQUESTED: What trouble-shooting methods do others use before buying a vehicle? How can we protect ourselves from buying lemons and buyer's remorse? Ann '89 PC-AZ Ghostliner Mon. 10.5.98 13:05 MST ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:57:44 EDT To: fsl@borgconsulting.com, annreid@juno.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: TWO '96 AZ PC 4-SALE In a message dated 10/4/98 11:49:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fsl@borgconsulting.com writes: << I'm just guessing here. I have no experience with Arizona state tax laws, but I have bought vehicles in other states for out of state licensing, and the above rules applied. >> That's been my experience too... Regards, <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: TWO '96 AZ PC 4-SALE of "Sun, 04 Oct 1998 23:48:42 EDT." Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 18:47:53 -0500 Francois Saint Laurent writes: > Is this really how it works? I thought the dealer only had to charge sales > tax if he had the vehicle licensed, or if he sold it to a resident of > Arizona. An out of state buyer should be able to purchase it without tax, > and get a temporary transit permit to drive it back to their state. They > would be expected to pay their home states tax rate on the purchase price > when they go to get their plates for it at the DMV once they get back home. > > I'm just guessing here. I have no experience with Arizona state tax > laws, but I have bought vehicles in other states for out of state > licensing, and the above rules applied. I have purchased 2 vehicles in the past 5 years in Tennessee, the promptly pointed them south and drove/rode home to Alabama. In both cases I was required to sign a form stating that I was an out of state resident and was removing the vehicle from Tennessee to be licensed and taxed elsewhere. Was given a Tennessee temporary tag for the car. But rode the motorcycle home (35 miles) without. Not too many years ago, such a vehicle could have been registered in Alabama without paying sales tax, but no longer. '98 PC800W '93.5 Infiniti G20 -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: X-wind autolean ; I think I got it ! Okay, I didn't.... Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 02:10:45 +0200 >In a crosswind condition, the natural stability of the bike must be augmented >by extra steering pressure to cause the machine to lean into the wind >sufficiently to generate enough sideforce to balance the force of the wind. Got a point there.. I do need extra power to keep it leaned. One other thing to throw out my hypothesis is if the bike is leaning against the wind, the same theory applies, so it would straighten again. That fender-lift theory of yours still seems the most logical. But how ? >On the older PCs, at least part of this extra steering force is >applied automatically, probably because the change in the angle of attack on >the the front fender valancing. I really wanna know how and why. Are we allready sure this autolean feature isn't present on '97+ models ? I didn't see any reactions yet. C'mon people, give us your results (so I can sleep again :) ! >Hope this provides some food for thought, Emile, but I also hope it doesn't >keep you up at night :). >J.T. Yep, I do too. Thanks a lot, J.T. ; ) Emile -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 20:22:49 -0400 From: Pat McNew To: Honda Pacific Coast Group Subject: Re: PC800: Oh no, I'm bikeless Fellow Coasters: Please read Jim's reply to my message about the date and time stamps on his messages. Time zone can matter, even whether you choose daylight savings time. jim_bene@pacbell.net wrote: > > Pat, > > Thank you. The date and time was set just fine. The time zone I had set > was still set to Riyadh Saudi Arabia time! I left there in May of this > year. I had wondered why things seemed to be off when I was looking at > things I posted! I never would have figured it out if you hadn't asked > me about it. > > Pat McNew wrote: > > > Jim, > > > > Either your messages are getting lost in Cyberspace or you need to set > > the date and time in your PC. This message did not reach me until > > Sunday PM and it is dated Sunday at 00:28 AM. I read my mail this > > morning at 08:00 and it wasn't there then. > > > > -- > > Pat McNew > > Snellville, GA > > 1996 PC800 - Ramblin' Rose > > 4600 (S)miles > > -- > Jim Alexander (I'm Baaaccckkkk) > HSTA# 2307SU 89 PC800 (for now) -- Pat McNew Snellville, GA 1996 PC800 - Ramblin' Rose 4600 (S)miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2); Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:47:55 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: PC800: Re: BUYING USED vs BEING USED Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:45:06 -0400 From: To: cc: "Pacific Coast List" annreid@juno.com, annreid@juno.com writes: > CURIOSITY: > 1) Did you test drive the bike BEFORE buying? Yes, for about a half hour. However, it was at night, and mostly on city streets. > 2) How much did you pay for the bike? $2750 > 3) What kind of a picture did the owner's paperwork paint? Looked pretty good except one 9000 mile stretch between oil changes. Amazingly, he had put all those miles on in a little over a month. > 4) How did you feel about (evaluate) the seller? Positive impression. Electrician with a very conscientious attitude. >house and car look like? Well maintained? Extremely. You could eat off the garage floor despite the fact that he had 3 bikes at the time. All tools and supplies were well organized. House was likewise. > Did he seem mechanically >conscious? Very. >Was he pushy? Anxious? Not in the least. He even offered to hold my check for a week. And, he put me up over night. > 5) If you fix all known ills, how much will you have in her? Is >that reasonable? > $3300 to $3500. Depends on whether more stuff goes wrong. And, I don't know what it will cost to get the transmission fixed. If $500+, then I'll have close to $4000 into it. No, that's not reasonable. I could have had a '94 with <10K miles on it, 2 weeks after I bought this one, for that money. > ANN's SYSTEM: I test drove my '89 (9,400 miles, one owner, >spring '96) on 3 consecutive days before deciding to buy. The trouble was I had to drive all day Saturday to get there, and then all day Sunday to get back. Several test drives wasn't really an option. Thanks for the input, anyway, Ann. --- Jim Hart "Organization is necessary for things to exist; Chaos is necessary for things to evolve." -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2); Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:48:00 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Discouraged Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:45:10 -0400 From: To: "pclist" Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council, Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org writes: >Did you happed to attach the tie-downs to the >handle-bars? Yup, sure did. >about how easily the handlebars can be twisted/bent when using tie-downs >attached to the grips. Oh, terrific. Guess I'll go search the archive. Those messages must have pre-dated my sign on. > Although it could very well be the triple-clamps as >well. I'd try loosening both the upper and lower triple-clamp bolts and with >the front wheel braced, try twisting the handle-bars back into alignment. >It's >tricky on the PC because you can't get a good line-of-sight between the bars >and the wheel. I think I'll let the dealer do this. I want it right, and, I want to know if the handlebars are bent. Thanks for the info. --- Jim Hart "Organization is necessary for things to exist; Chaos is necessary for things to evolve." -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 20:13:17 -0500 From: Jeffrey King To: Emile Nossin CC: PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: X-wind autolean ; I think I got it ! Okay, I didn't.... Emile Nossin wrote: > > >In a crosswind condition, the natural stability of the bike must be > augmented > >by extra steering pressure to cause the machine to lean into the wind > >sufficiently to generate enough sideforce to balance the force of the > wind. > > Got a point there.. I do need extra power to keep it leaned. One > other thing > to throw out my hypothesis is if the bike is leaning against the wind, > the same > theory applies, so it would straighten again. That fender-lift theory > of yours > still seems the most logical. But how ? > > >On the older PCs, at least part of this extra steering force is > >applied automatically, probably because the change in the angle of > attack on > >the the front fender valancing. > > I really wanna know how and why. Are we allready sure this autolean > feature > isn't present on '97+ models ? I didn't see any reactions yet. C'mon > people, > give us your results (so I can sleep again :) ! > > >Hope this provides some food for thought, Emile, but I also hope it > doesn't > >keep you up at night :). > >J.T. > > Yep, I do too. Thanks a lot, J.T. ; ) > > Emile > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. I can tell you for a fact that the auto-lean feature is there on my '94. I drove from Lubbock Texas to just north of Fort Worth Texas on Sunday, in a due east direction, with a 30mph X-wind the whole way. Lots of gusts, not to mention buildings/tree clumps, hills, etc to block the wind a bit. Not only did my bike automatically lean into the wind, but it also straightened itself out when there wasn't a crosswind. I was playing with it, trying NOT to put any input into it, and watch to see how far my track varied from my intended path. Only a matter of inches. Now, I know that my GS400 Suzuki would have been blown clear across the road in those same conditions. In fact, this auto-lean was one of the first things I noticed about my bike. Living on an east-west highway in the middle of nowhere, I have plenty of chance to experiment with this. Maybe one of these days I'll take off the front wheel bodywork and see if it still auto-leans. BTW, I was riding two up at about 70 to 75 mph the whole way out and back. I averaged about 43mpg. However, riding by myself while commuting, often going just as fast, I've been averaging 48 to 50 mpg tankful to tankful (in other words, daily). Jeff '94 Honda PC800 (The Batcycle) '78 Suzuki GS400 (Buzzy) '61 Olds Super 88 (Moby Dick) -- ==================================================================== Jeffrey W. King (K5ING) Krum, TX. USA 940.482.3446 (home) 972.597.1021 (pager) ==================================================================== http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/1919 ==================================================================== -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: FW: PC800: TWO '96 AZ PC 4-SALE Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:15:07 -0400 Francois Saint Laurent wrote: >An out of state buyer should be able to purchase it without tax, >and get a temporary transit permit to drive it back to their state. = They >would be expected to pay their home states tax rate on the purchase = price >when they go to get their plates for it at the DMV once they get back = home. This may vary from state to state. I live in TN and have purchased = vehicles in both NC and VA. In both cases, I had to pay sales tax in the = state where the vehicle as purchased and since the TN sales tax was = higher in both cases, pay the difference between the sales tax in the = state purchased and TN sales tax at registration time.=20 Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: FW: PC800: Front End Problems Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:43:09 -0400 I agree, there's no reason to be concerned.Personally I I never even = think about it except that it seems to be the subject of endless = discussion on both this and the HSTA list. I think most street = motorcycles will exhibit some degree of head shake behavior under the = right set of conditions. BTW, I've NEVER experienced this on a dirt bike = with knobby tires (more trail and less dry pavement traction than a = street machine). Some bikes are probably worse than others and for some = very high performance machines, it may be severe enough to be dangerous = - I'm sure that's why a lot of sport bikes have steering dampers = installed. Back in the the 60's twist down steering dampers (a knob on = the steering stem) were standard equipment on many street bikes. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lcshepp@ibm.net [SMTP:lcshepp@ibm.net] Sent: Sunday, October 04, 1998 4:45 PM To: jrandall@kpt1.tricon.net; pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Front End Problems Hi Jim, >> Leland, try declerating (just engine braking) from 55 to 35 without your hands on the bars. I pick up perceptble but not dangerous head-shake about 45. << I tried it today. The first time I started at 60 and dropped all the = way to 35 with no discernible=20 shake (I couldn't see or feel one); the road was smooth. Later on in my ride, I tried it again, this time on a rougher section of = road. I started at 55 and=20 at about 45 could see the handle bars shake slightly and then as the = speed dropped below 45, it=20 disappeared. I continued dropping until I was at or below 35. A short time later, I tried it again, this time on a smooth section of = road again. I started at 55=20 and went below 35 with no visible or tactile shake. I think that what happened on the rough section of road is what the tire = and shock absorber people=20 call "rough spot shimmy". It happens on cars, it happens on motorhomes, = busses, trucks, etc. so I=20 wouldn't expect motorcycles to be exempt. Sometimes it can be very bad. = It happened to me once=20 with my motorhome and it was so violent I had to stop the coach; it tore = up the steering stabilizer=20 in that case. My motorhome is mid-sized (31 foot class A) but weighs = about 15000# as I have it set=20 up; the shaking was so bad I could barely hang onto the coach while I = got it stopped. I have had the front on the PC shake slightly before in a similar = situation (hands off the bars on=20 a rough section of road) and didn't think too much about it because of = the situation. I'm not=20 convinced it indicates a real problem... The tire and shock absorber = people don't recommend doing=20 anything unless there is real damage as in the case with my motorhome. = Under all other=20 circumstances, the front end of my PC is just fine. I'm going in for service the week of the 12th of October; I'll talk some = with my mechanic about it=20 and see what he thinks. FWIW... Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 115,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: RE: PC800: Adjusting rear suspension Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:16:19 -0400 I change mine all the time to adjust for load differences - no problem. = It's easier if you put it on the center stand first to take the weight = off the spring. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Alan Bowen [SMTP:abowen@home.com] Sent: Sunday, October 04, 1998 4:12 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Adjusting rear suspension I'm interested in adjusting the pre-load setting of my PC up a notch. = The owner's manual kind of explains how to do this, but is this the type of thing I can do by myself? It feels like I've got to pull so hard that = I'll pull the bike over on top of me! Thanks. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu.=00=00 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: annreid@juno.com by x16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQUDSUG3; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 21:34:29 EDT To: jhart@mail.lewiston.lib.me.us Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:32:57 -0700 Subject: PC800: SYMPATHY COMIN' YOUR WAY! Jim, Under the circumstances it seems you did as much homework as you could. And it doesn't sound as if the seller was aware of any major problems-to-be either. From what I've seen in Phoenix, the price was right. Hate to say it, but you may just have to chalk it up to bad timing and tuition/education. One of those unforeseen Bad Days At Black Rock. How much would it cost to get a second opinion of what needs servicing/repair? Just a thot. Would it be worth more if you sold it part by part, organ by organ, bolt by bolt? *JUST KIDDING* Thankfully, your experience appears to be more the exception than the rule. *SORRY* Ann Mon. 10.5.98 18:30 MST ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ha1.rdc1.pa.home.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:01:37 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Alan Bowen" To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: Re: PC800: Adjusting rear suspension Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:03:00 -0400 Jim and others, Thanks for the advice. I used some WD-40 and appropriate amounts of Violence (as suggested) to adjust the suspension. This is the first time it's ever been done on my bike so it was rightfully crotchety. It moves a little easier now. Alan '97 PC http://members.home.net/abowen -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: 'PC800 List' Date: Monday, October 05, 1998 9:16 PM Subject: RE: PC800: Adjusting rear suspension I change mine all the time to adjust for load differences - no problem. It's easier if you put it on the center stand first to take the weight off the spring. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Alan Bowen [SMTP:abowen@home.com] Sent: Sunday, October 04, 1998 4:12 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Adjusting rear suspension I'm interested in adjusting the pre-load setting of my PC up a notch. The owner's manual kind of explains how to do this, but is this the type of thing I can do by myself? It feels like I've got to pull so hard that I'll pull the bike over on top of me! Thanks. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 00:13:54 -0400 From: Joe Beresford To: HSTA List , Beresford Plumbing , Ben Robb , Camille Robb , Bryce Ulrich , Cusick , Fred Kropv , John Eckert , Joe Thomas , pc 800 list , Ray Pope , Randall Foster , Tom McKiernan Subject: PC800: Homepage?? Have any of you added your mtorcycle homepage to the Motorcycle Web ring??? I thought I'd try it for a while..... any thoughts??? and for those on the HSTA list ever wondered what Tom McKeirnan- aka: SththHsta@aol.com looked like well I got a pic on my bike page if you really want to know::: http://w3.one.net/~cableguy/bike.htm scarry aint he???? just in time for Halloween........ for those of you not in the hsta list I've updated my hompage http://w3.one.net/~cableguy later joe -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lcshepp@ibm.net Date: Mon, 05 Oct 98 23:56:35 +0000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: Dunlop Cycle Comment Form: Questions about tires Hi to all, The following is the one word response I got back from Dunlop Tire on the K177 for the Pacific Coast: >> yes << My message to them was: >> A list of Honda Pacific Coast owners on the Internet is having a debate over whether or not the K177 tire for the Pacific Coast is still being made. You folks told me back in April or May of 1998 that the K177 in the sizes for the Pacific Coast was no longer going to be made and that the only tire available was going to be the K555. Is that still true? << So, whatever K177s in PC sizes you can find are in the supply channel and that is it. When I raised the subject with Dunlop and with Honda in April/May of 1998, Honda had a bunch of them in stock at various locations around the country. Their price is very high compared to every other price I've paid for the tires. Better than a sharp stick, I suppose, but... They wanted $260 for the pair (list). Rather than go to a size that won't fit well (the K491 rear is 1 inch larger in diameter, for example; with my weight, the top of the tire would end up in the trunk. With a passenger, they would get burned on the behind from the friction of the tire...), I'm going to try a pair of Metzeler ML2s next time. They make the size for the PC and, though expensive, are less than $260 for the pair (about $210 mail order, as I recall). I just hope they come anywhere near being as good a tire as the K177 has been for me. FYI... Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 115,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 06:14:28 -0700 (PDT) From: John Scalisi Subject: PC800: Motorcycle Accessory Depot To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I was just wondering if any fellow listers have ordered from the Motorcycle Accessory Depot on the internet? I am interested in buying a Tour Master Cortech jacket and the price listed on their site is $189.95. They add 3% handling and ship it FOB from their place. So, with the 3% the price is still only $195.65 plus shipping. The cheapest I've seen it elsewhere has been $215 to $219 plus shipping and handling. I just am wondering if they are legitimate. Any body try them yet? Their web address is: http://www.motodepot.com Thanks for any input. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JRBPilot@aol.com for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:26:36 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Saeng Edging Just got my package from Saeng last night, so I immediatly put the edging on and went for a ride. While I would stop short of saying the stuff is remarkable, It does do exactly what as advertised (It raises the slipstream off the windshield about 3"). This works very well for me as I am 6' 0" and with the stock windshield, I was getting the bulk of the slipstream on my helmet visor and in my eyes. The Saeng edging pushes this up just enough to barely graze the top of my helmet. It was a little tricky getting it cut to the right length (I cut mine about 3/16" too short) but looks good on, and it is easily removable. I didn't notice it blocking my vision at all, and it really didn't grab my attention at speed (I was afraid the edging would make the normal windshield flex and higher speeds more noticeable). No report yet on what this may do to fuel economy, but I am guessing no worse than if I had gotten a taller windshield. All-in-all, I am pretty happy with my $40 investment at Saeng. Riding on... Jeff in Cincinnati '96 PC w/ 1257 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m28.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQVRRJ7A; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 10:22:44 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: twostrokebruce@worldnet.att.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:52:21 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Pacific Coast Ride on the Year 2000 From: swift24@juno.com (John D Louk) On Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:23:24 -0400 "A. Bruce Robinson" writes: i've heard that there is a ride on the pacific coasts highway in 2K, is this true where can i get info? >A. Bruce Robinson >Princeton, NJ >twostrokebruce@worldnet.att.net >v2bimota@aol.com >icq 5099113 desmoHead You've asked the right question. Tim Macy of Portland, OR and myself, both on this list, are putting this ride together. The ride is planned for the second week of Sept 2000 in Northern California or Southern Oregon. I've added your name to the list of those expressing interest and will send all info as this event comes together. Welcome aboard. John Louk Carmel, IN '90 PC "Ruby" ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JRBPilot@aol.com Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:26:35 EDT To: MCGWHIZZ@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Saeng Edging In a message dated 10/06/98 10:17:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MCGWHIZZ writes: << I also purchased this edging and had the same problem with measurement (:(( - but the other surprises came later. Normally "Snort" gets about 47 to 48 mpg (at any speed) so I was really surprised when my mpg dropped to 35.......... I tried several different grades and makes of fuel and the results were the same. So, I took off the edging and the mileage popped back up to 48. >> Has anyone else noticed this dramatic effect on fuel economy? Thanks for the feedback Jeff in Cincinnati '96 PC w/ 1257 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:55:42 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Fwd: Fwd: Beating a Traffic Ticket? --part0_907685742_boundary --part0_907685742_boundary Content-disposition: inline 2000 by rly-ya02.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id JAA27914; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:40:49 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 06:39:09 -0700 Errors-To: motolist-owner@micapeak.com Originator: motolist@micapeak.com From: Chris Norloff To: Cybertwisties at your fingertips Subject: Fwd: Beating a Traffic Ticket? Anybody ever heard of this one? Any idea if it works? sounds too good to be true, but with a bureaucracy anything's possible, Chris Norloff >---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ---------------- >Date: 10/05 10:51 PM > >Subject: How to beat a speeding ticket!!!!! > > If you find that you have got a speeding ticket or you have gone > through a red light or what ever you do to lose demerit points > from your license, I have heard of a method to ensure that you DON'T > lose any points. > > It is this: > When you get your fine, send a check to pay it, and if the fine > is, say $79 then make the cheque out for $82 or some small amount > above the fine. The system will then have to send you a cheque back for > the difference so eventually you get a cheque for $3 . > > Now, here is the trick - > DON'T cash the check - > Throw it away. Demerit points are not removed from your license > until all of the financial transactions are complete. If you >don't cash the cheque then the transactions are not complete, >however, the system has got its money so it is happy and doesn't >bother you anymore. > > >----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- > --part0_907685742_boundary-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 10:49:30 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: JRBPilot@aol.com CC: MCGWHIZZ@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Saeng Edging JRBPilot@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/06/98 10:17:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MCGWHIZZ > writes: > > << I also purchased this edging and had the same problem with measurement (:(( > - but the other surprises came later. Normally "Snort" gets about 47 to 48 > mpg (at any speed) so I was really surprised when my mpg dropped to > 35.......... I tried several different grades and makes of fuel and the > results were the same. So, I took off the edging and the mileage popped back > up to 48. >> > > Has anyone else noticed this dramatic effect on fuel economy? > > Thanks for the feedback > > Jeff in Cincinnati > '96 PC w/ 1257 miles > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Nope, Mine stayed about the same (in the mid 40's). TommyTeal -- 93SE (Teal, You Think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast 98V-Star Classic (Red, you bet) GWTA #6871 GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:09:39 -0700 (PDT) From: John Scalisi Subject: Re: PC800: Discouraged To: jhart@mail.lewiston.lib.me.us Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Sounds to me like the bike you bought was in an accident and someone replace all the plastic so it looked good but had hidden damage. Sorry to hear all your troubles. ---jhart@mail.lewiston.lib.me.us wrote: > > I've been holding off on throwing cold water on the list's enthusiasm for > our namesake bike, but I've run out of patience. > > I read this list for several weeks before deciding that the PC800 was the > bike for me, to replace my former "dream bike", a black-and-chrome Suzuki > 800 Intruder. After some searching, and because so many folks had gone > on and on about reliability and high mileage potential, I took the risk > and bought a '90 with 44,000 miles on it. I'm beginning to regret the > decision. I'm already $500 USD in repairs into it, and climbing. In > just 6 weeks, and less than a thousand miles, new fork seals, new front > wheel bearings, new speedometer cable, and a new tire (well, OK, I could > see that one coming :-). Despite the tire, fork seals and wheel > bearings, the bike still pulls constantly to the right. It makes for a > very tiring ride, since I can't rest my right arm using the throttle lock > without having to push constantly on the bar with my left hand. No > amount of weight shift is enough to offset the pull. And, yes, I have > adjusted the rear suspension, discovering, in the process, that the rear > left shock is mounted backwards, making it a rotten chore to adjust. On > top of all that, there's something wrong with the gear box. It shifts up > fine, but downshifts feel very "gritty" and can take way too much force, > especially when things get really warm, to the point of worrying about > bending the shift lever or damaging the transmission. The service > manager is very reluctant to "get into it", so I hate to think what it > will cost when I finally can't put up with it anymore. On top of all > that, I can't get more than 42 mpg, regardless of what grade/brand of > fuel I use. I even managed to get some non-MTBE fuel, but it made no > difference. My Aspencade 1200 gets as good mileage, with 50% more > weight, and twice as many cylinders. Ridiculous! The bike looked in > mint condition, when I bought it, and had all the maintenance records > with it. Obviously, you can never be sure when buying a high-mileage > bike. > > One very disgruntled PC owner... > > > --- > Jim Hart > "Organization is necessary for things to exist; Chaos is necessary for > things to evolve." > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:54:06 -0400 (EDT) To: JRBPilot@aol.com, MCGWHIZZ@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Saeng Edging At 10:26 AM -0400 10/6/98, JRBPilot@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 10/06/98 10:17:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MCGWHIZZ >writes: > ><< I also purchased this edging and had the same problem with measurement (:(( >- but the other surprises came later. Normally "Snort" gets about 47 to 48 >mpg (at any speed) so I was really surprised when my mpg dropped to >35.......... I tried several different grades and makes of fuel and the >results were the same. So, I took off the edging and the mileage popped back >up to 48. >> > >Has anyone else noticed this dramatic effect on fuel economy? > >Thanks for the feedback > >Jeff in Cincinnati I installed the Saeng edging on my stock shield and I had no perceivable difference in mpg. On a 75mph interstate trip, I was going about 180 miles before I would stop for gas, and I figure I could have just broken the 200 mile mark by running it dry. I now have the 24" Clearview with the Saeng edging and my mileage seems to have improved a bit. I tend to stop for gas at around the same mileage I used to, but I have been putting in less gas. I haven't really been paying too much attention to it lately, since the gas prices around here were going up and down as much as 20 cents a gallon from one day to the next. I'll make a note to check my mpg's next time around. ride safe... fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PLeray@aol.com Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:04:54 EDT To: jhart@mail.lewiston.lib.me.us Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Discouraged In a message dated 98-10-05 14:04:03 EDT, you write: << >As for the gritty downshifting, try a Moble-1 synthetic oil change and >make sure the final drive oil is changed. Also when I changed my >clutch fluid, it seemed to make shifting easier/ more responsive. > already did the Mobile-1 change...it didn't help; never occurred to me to change the final drive oil. Why would that affect shifting? I had the clutch and brake fluids changed, already. >Gas Mileage may improve when the front end is fixed, but my PC rarely >gets 35MPG. Wow...that's some different than the 50-60 mpg which many of the list members are reporting. >> Jim, I haven't had to "go into" my pc yet (thank God), but as an ex home- garage-fixer-of-motorcycles-for too-many-years, I had something similar happen once. If the clutch plates are dragging (there are several, alternating plates), or if even ONE has warped due to heat or whatever, it will cause the shifting to be almost exactly as you described. Forceful and obviously wrong. I think getting into the clutch basket on the pc is a giant pain, but since you seem to have a number of large aggrivations going on right now anyway,......that could well be the problem. A previous owner might have ridden the clutch and warped a plate without realizing it. Might as well have it looked at. As to mileage, I think the reported 55-60 mpg range is on the high side of the curve. The 40's seem average/reasonable for mixed riding. Mine's still semi-new (<1000mi), so I'm still getting 37-42. Been told that will improve in time. Sorry to hear about all your grief. Carry on, Trooper. Patrick in La. '97 Thumper Rabbit -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Peter_N1@verifone.com To: MCGWHIZZ@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, JRBPilot@aol.com Subject: RE: PC800: Saeng Edging Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:18:26 -0700 Jeff, My '96 gets between 47-55mpg depending on city/highway driving. I usually average 51-52mpg most of the time. I have noticed NO change in mpg after adding the Saeng edging to my standard windshield. I have been running 87 octane gas and have not noticed any difference in mileage when using the higher octane grades. Mpg is reduced when running speeds greater than 65mph, however. > ---------- > From: JRBPilot@aol.com[SMTP:JRBPilot@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 7:26 AM > To: MCGWHIZZ@aol.com; pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: PC800: Saeng Edging > > In a message dated 10/06/98 10:17:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MCGWHIZZ > writes: > > << I also purchased this edging and had the same problem with measurement (:(( > - but the other surprises came later. Normally "Snort" gets about 47 to 48 > mpg (at any speed) so I was really surprised when my mpg dropped to > 35.......... I tried several different grades and makes of fuel and the > results were the same. So, I took off the edging and the mileage popped back > up to 48. >> > > Has anyone else noticed this dramatic effect on fuel economy? > > Thanks for the feedback > > Jeff in Cincinnati > '96 PC w/ 1257 miles > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Saeng Edging From: Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org (Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 09:41:29 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu On Tue, Oct 6, 1998, 2:26:35 PM GMT JRBPilot@aol.com wrote: >Has anyone else noticed this dramatic effect on fuel economy? No, mine stayed the same. I get around 51-52 while touring, 45-48 around town, and in the low 40's if I'm consistently driving over 75-80 mph (trip to Montana). Greg Torok 97 PC800 Bellingham, WA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lcshepp@ibm.net Date: Tue, 06 Oct 98 08:35:54 +0000 To: pcsg@mistral.co.uk, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Parts prices! Hi Job, >> Buying OEM Parts will give you the peace of mind that you are buying quality parts, which are much less likely to let you down. << Hear, hear! Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 115,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lcshepp@ibm.net Date: Tue, 06 Oct 98 09:10:48 +0000 To: rthomass@ccmail.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 Mileage Hi Roy, >> Below is the spreadsheet I have maintained for mileage and fuel consumption. << I'd attach mine but I'm on my 537th tank of gas and I nearly run it out every time (I'm averaging 3.99 gallons per tank fill up)! Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 115,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lcshepp@ibm.net Date: Tue, 06 Oct 98 08:26:41 +0000 To: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re(2): PC800: Electronic Cruise Control Manual Hi Tim, >> PDF stands for "page description format." << Actually, it's "portable document format" according to the Adobe site. I downloaded the free version of the reader for OS/2 Warp and can happily view the manual! Thanks again. One problem for me: They say that the switch block is only "water resistant". With my riding year round, that might cause trouble. Plus I wash the bike at least every other week... I'm going to get in touch with the manufacturer down-under to see what they say about riding in the rain and the longevity of the unit. Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 115,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lcshepp@ibm.net Date: Tue, 06 Oct 98 09:03:07 +0000 To: Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Discouraged Hi Greg, >> There was quite some discussion on the list several months back about how easily the handlebars can be twisted/bent when using tie-downs attached to the grips. << I attach my tie-downs to the bars but I use a harness from Canyon Dancer to do it. That harness has a sleeve with a strap attached and a loop at the end of strap for each end of the bar. The straps cross over and go through the opposite sleeve so that the left bar end strap is attached to the right tie-down and vice versa. The crossing forces supposedly cancel each other out or nearly do so which is why I got it. I've towed the PC behind my motorhome for at least two thousand miles using this harness and have not had a problem doing so. I can see the bars bow downward very slightly as I cinch things down but I'm careful with it and thus far it has worked very well. FWIW... Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 115,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lcshepp@ibm.net Date: Tue, 06 Oct 98 08:51:16 +0000 To: MJKasof@webtv.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: a greaT dealer to use Hi Joel, >> i bought a 98 from honda peninsula in sunnyvale calif i have bought several bikes over the years from them and consider them the finest dealer for service pricing etc i have ever encounterd << Eight of the ten Honda motorcycles I've owned over the past 34 years were purchased from Honda Peninsula in Sunnyvale. Pop Kenyon, the original owner, was great. I started in 1964 with a Honda 50. Pop told me the bike was too small for me but I told him I just wanted cheap transportation. Motorcycles scared me and I didn't want anything bigger. I hadn't counted on falling in love with motorcycling. I rode that 50 over 700 miles in three weeks and it couldn't go over 30mph; I was on it all the time. After three weeks I took it back and traded it on a 90. Pop gave me 90% of what I paid for the 50. He repeated his comment about the 90 being too small. I repeated my thought about cheap transportation, adding that I just wanted something a little larger that would go a little farther, a little faster. (I was hooked but didn't know it yet.) Two weeks later I took the 90 back. Pop smiled again and gave me all but $25 back on a trade in on a 305cc Super Hawk, the biggest bike Honda made at that time. Based on the way he treated me I just kept coming back. The last bike I bought from them was a 1972 CB750 in 1972. I had that bike until 1993 when I bought the PC in the area where I live now. Pop was retired by 1972, I think, but Hal (Harold?) was running the shop then. One of his boys (Sonny) lives up in this area now according to my mechanic. Does a Kenyon still own that shop? Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 115,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lcshepp@ibm.net Date: Tue, 06 Oct 98 08:02:49 +0000 To: jhart@mail.lewiston.lib.me.us, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Discouraged Hi Jim, >> One very disgruntled PC owner... << Sorry to hear you are unhappy with your PC. 1. Fork seals that need replacing sounds like the bike sat a lot; that's the only way I've seen that happen with any bike. If you ride it regularly, I wouldn't expect to see that one again. 2. Speedometer cable - I lost mine, I think, because it got misrouted after a tire change and thus pinched which put a strain on the cable. That or something like it is probably true for yours. It is easy to have that happen so I didn't say anything to my mechanic (who was the one who misrouted it). I expect the new one to last a long time as long as it is routed correctly. Incidentally, the routing problem was down on the back of the front wheel where the cable enters the wheel housing. 3. I don't know what to say about wheel bearings. Several others on this list have indicated they've changed theirs. Mine are original as are the fork seals, fork oil, etc. 4. Tire changes are expected, obviously. 5. The left rear shock: The stock unit on the left side has no adjustment on my '94. I believe that is true for all years on the PC; I don't think that got changed. The right hand unit has the only adjustment on the stock shocks. I don't know about replacement units. 6. Pulling to the right. Did you ride the bike before you bought it? The pulling sounds to me like the bike has been in an accident and possibly a bad one. 7. The shifting: Mine is quite notchy and makes a loud click when being shifted and even after 115,000 miles seems a little stiff. The one other PC I've ridden (an '89) was also that way, as I recall, and the reviewers in the magazines commented on it being notchy as well. As far as sounding gritty, that sounds like a problem as does the fact that it shifts harder when the bike warms up. I take it that you didn't feel any of this when you road-tested the bike? 8. Mileage: Mine has varied from the mid 40s (if I push the bike hard and/or keep it revved up like I used to do with my other Hondas; the PC has so much torque that I had to learn to let the engine do its thing and not keep it revved up all the time) to the low 60s (before they reformulated the gas). Not only the way you ride but tire pressure (I run my rear at 41# and front at 36#) will matter. My mileage dropped about 10% after they reformulated the gas. FWIW, I'm averaging just over 54mpg and I normally ride at 60mph. If the bike is pulling to the right, the effort required to correct that will probably affect your mileage; you are constantly "correcting" to keep the bike on a straight line. Also, you might want to have the carb sync checked. I would expect your mileage to drop if they are out of sync. An obvious question: have you had it tuned? The plugs are supposed to be changed every 8000 miles and my experience has been that although they look fine when they are removed, in fact they are shot. They will make a large difference in mileage. Hope some of this helps. Leland '94 Pacific Coast "Black Beauty" 115,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:39:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:39:25 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Dunlop Cycle Comment Form: Questions about tires Hi Leland: <> You might want to check back with Honda on this price. I just had a new K177 front put on at my local dealer. They got the tire from Honda, and it was $89.95 + $18 for mounting and balancing. <> The ML2s are a fine tire. You should have no trouble with them on the PC. J.T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PLeray@aol.com Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:46:20 EDT To: Emile@Cybercomm.nl Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: X-wind autolean ; I think I got it ! Okay, I didn't.... Emile, Mine's a '97, and in following this thread, I've nodded my head a few times. In crosswinds, the first thing I noticed was the inability of the stock shield to form a solid "bubble" to keep side winds from hitting me. Never noticed that before on any of the numerous bikes I've had. Even a gentle side wind was immediately apparent. Now, with the Clearview, it's not as noticeable. As to the "autolean", like Betty Lise mentioned, at first it was a bit weird. Until I realized that the bike was intrinsically doing it. Again, never had one do that! In fact, I had to unlearn a few experience-taught responses. Like countersteering INTO the side-wind. It was already doing it. Sort of like, "Woah, big fella, easy now." Bizarre. So there's a response for you from a newer model. Only thing I can figure is that it's some interplay between the position of the windshield (an airfoil shape if viewed from the sidewind's approach) in relation to the steering head/road-contact-point, and the bodywork on the rest of the machine. And remember, the "bubble" of displaced air can act as an actual form in relation to oncoming (side) flow. So if our windshield/fairing/legshield/trunkcheeks system forms a peculiar virtual "shape", the side pressure will cause a different reaction than on other bike forms. Oh, well, thought I'd give it a shot. It's definitely there though. Patrick in La. '97 Thumper Rabbit -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PCSG Ltd." To: Subject: PC800: Fw: PDF Files Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:20:32 +0100 ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PCSG Ltd. To: lcshepp@ibm.net Subject: PDF Files Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 6:19 PM Hi Leland, The best application for PDF files is Adobe Acrobat Reader Ver. 3.01 You can dowload it free from http://www.adobe.com/acrobat To allow the Acrobat Reader to play .mov files, movies or sounds created with Apple QuickTime(TM), your computer must have the appropriate sound and video boards installed and Apple QuickTime software version 2.0 or later. This software can be downloaded from http://quicktime.apple.com/qt/sw/sw.html Cheers! Job Sussex England ---------- > From: lcshepp@ibm.net > To: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us; pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: Re(2): PC800: Electronic Cruise Control Manual > Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 9:26 AM > > Hi Tim, > > >> > PDF stands for "page description format." > << > > Actually, it's "portable document format" according to the Adobe site. I downloaded the free > version of the reader for OS/2 Warp and can happily view the manual! Thanks again. > > One problem for me: They say that the switch block is only "water resistant". With my riding year > round, that might cause trouble. Plus I wash the bike at least every other week... I'm going to > get in touch with the manufacturer down-under to see what they say about riding in the rain and the > longevity of the unit. > > Leland > '94 Pacific Coast > "Black Beauty" > 115,000 miles > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a
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 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MJKasof@webtv.net (Madeleine Kasof) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:44:05 -0700 (PDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: ischepp @ ibm pop kenyon doesnt own ti anymore brqad and his fajmily have owned it last 15 years discounts galore and great service this is third mc since 92 he sold me 97 valkyrie which my son from oregon rides when he visits are yougouinbg on great pacific coast ride in 2000? john louck in carmel indiana is organizing it regards joel cupertino calif -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MJKasof@webtv.net (Madeleine Kasof) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:54:52 -0700 (PDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: rear spoiler for pc 800 can anyone tell me how to get prepainted rear spoiler for pc 800?? john loucke of carme; indiana has one on his bike he gave me web addr for someone in la but im not getting any response help help joel in cupertino calif -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PRGormley@aol.com for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:05:31 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Beating a Traffic Ticket? I have two problems with this methodology. 1. The spelling of "cheque" makes me think it's not stateside, so the rule may work in the location of the original author. The UK perhaps? 2. In my state, Massachusetts, failing to pay the ticket and fleeing the jurisdiction won't stop the points and in that case there has neither been an adjudication of responsbility / guilt nor payment of the fine. In those circumstances there has been no complete settlement of the financial issues but the points are applied just the same. - PRG -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 14:09:45 -0500 Subject: Re(2): Re(2): PC800: Electronic Cruise Control Manual To: lcshepp@ibm.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) Thanks for the PDF correction. I always get my pdf files for my priters mixed up with my pdf files from Adobe. I too was concerned about the non-waterproof nature of the switch when I read that, but I have not taken the time to ask the question of the manufacturer. Please let me know what you find out. Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" lcshepp@ibm.net writes: >Hi Tim, > >>> > PDF stands for "page description format." ><< > >Actually, it's "portable document format" according to the Adobe site. I >downloaded the free >version of the reader for OS/2 Warp and can happily view the manual! >Thanks again. > >One problem for me: They say that the switch block is only "water >resistant". With my riding year >round, that might cause trouble. Plus I wash the bike at least every >other week... I'm going to >get in touch with the manufacturer down-under to see what they say about >riding in the rain and the >longevity of the unit. > >Leland >'94 Pacific Coast >"Black Beauty" >115,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 14:18:43 -0500 Subject: Re: PC800: Motorcycle Accessory Depot To: jscalisi@yahoo.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) jscalisi@yahoo.com writes: >I was just wondering if any fellow listers have ordered from the >Motorcycle Accessory Depot on the internet? I am interested in buying >a Tour Master Cortech jacket and the price listed on their site is >$189.95. They add 3% handling and ship it FOB from their place. So, >with the 3% the price is still only $195.65 plus shipping. The >cheapest I've seen it elsewhere has been $215 to $219 plus shipping >and handling. I just am wondering if they are legitimate. Any body >try them yet? Their web address is: http://www.motodepot.com > >Thanks for any input. I got my 2 HJC Chatterboxes from them and they were fast and efficient. Since this is a jacket you are considering I would check with them about their return policy before you order. Some places will let you return them but charge you a big restocking fee (what ever that is, guess its the opposite of a handling fee). This is from a person who has tried and sent back 3 jackets already. They all had 30 day trial periods, full refund if not satisfied. Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MJKasof@webtv.net (Madeleine Kasof) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:51:39 -0700 (PDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: courtesy hand waving yesterday someone complained that another pc rider didnt wave to him well in the real world there are friendly souls and not so friendly souls i wave to everyone and usually get a 50% return regardless of the brand bike lets keep waving it is contagious even to the snobby hd riders i was once one of them jeol cupertino calif -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:55:58 CST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 14:56:39 -0500 From: "David L. Sigsbee" Subject: PC800: Water in handle bar covers To: PC800 Reply-to: dsigsbee@memphis.edu X-Corel-MessageType: EMail Sunday night I was driving by a parking lot that had a bunch of squids with their red sportbikes parked there and, to my suprise, also had a guy on a non-squidly red PC 800. While some of the squiders were wheelying around, I talked to the PCer about his bike and to exchange various info. He told me that he sometimes he has to park his bike outside at work and had found that water collected inside the handle bar covers in the area of the switches next to the grips. In fact, he said that he found at times in going around corners that water could leak out as he leaned the bike. He had also found some rusting in the switches. He then recommended drilling a small drainage hole in the bottom of the plastic covers underneath the switches so any collecting water can drain out immediately.. My question then--has anyone else had such a problem and/or tried such a solution. -- David L. Sigsbee Work: 901 678-2690 JO 404, University Honors Program Fax: 901 678-5367 University of Memphis E-Mail: dsigsbee@memphis.edu Memphis, TN 38152-6140 Home: 901 327-3848 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@kpt1.tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:08:38 -0400 (EDT) From: James R Randall To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Sometimes Less is More I mentioned in a previous post that one of my steeds is a Honda VT500FT Ascot. I bought this bike back in late August with the intention of turning it over to my wife. I've spent a little money and a lot of time getting it "right", but alas after a 300 mile day aboard, Nancy finds the Ascot to be a bit spartan in creature comforts and a bit "firm" for the touring-type riding we normally do. No worries, I've a boy riding a CB125 who will be legally old enough for it in a few months and he can't wait for it to be his. A little background. The VT500 Ascot is 500cc Vtwin (same basic engine as the PC), liquid cooled, shaft drive with "standard" peg and bar positions. According to the manual it makes 49hp at 9,000 rpm. It has a 6 speed box with 6th being a tall overdrive. I'd guess it weighs around 400 lbs and like the PC it carries it's weight low and centered. The listed top speed is 115 mph and although I haven't been there I expect that's about right based on performance up to around 80 or 90. Bottom line, even at 500cc's it's at least as fast (maybe a little more so) as the PC. If you'd like to make a comparison it's pretty similar weight and power-wise to the old Triumph and BSA 650cc dual carb twins. Sooooo, in the meantime, I've been riding the little critter. In fact, I've ridden it about a thousand miles this month. Any of you who have read my previous posts will have ascertained that I like light bikes. I've said here before that I find the PC (and for that matter anything else that weighs as much) just a bit paunchy. Yes, the PC carries it's weight well and on clean, dry pavement at speeds high enough for centrifugal force to have an effect, it's pretty much a non-issue. I feel the weight of the PC most when the footing is marginal (for either me or the bike). For me, because of it's mass, hitting a sandy spot on the PC is major pucker time. Also, on gravel or other loose surfaces at low speeds, I find I must be very careful to keep the PC "under me" or the front wheel tends to wash out. Don't get me wrong, I love my PC and wouldn't swap it for anything else (except MAYBE an ST or Beemer) for touring, it's just a little heavy for my tastes for "recreational" riding. But, case in point, the Ascot is much lighter with approximately the same performance as the PC. Last night I took the Ascot for little ride in the country - US 421 between Bristol and Mountain City TN. For those of you unfamiliar with this part of the country, this road is 25 miles of tight, mountainous 2-lane and a heck of a lot of fun. I really pushed the Ascot for the first time and was thrilled by the fun factor - it's a little sport bike in disguise! Now for the really interesting part, on the way home, I took a little side tour to one of the campgrounds in the National forest - about 20 miles of switchback, dirt/gravel road. I didn't quite maintain the same pace I would have on a true dirt bike but I rode it pretty fast for street tires probably averaging about 25 mph. The relatively light weight of the Ascot allowed be to feel really stable. I don't believe I could have felt nearly so comfortable on the big PC on the loose gravel surface. Okay, so what's the point of all this rambling. On several occasions when asked if the PC makes a good 1st bike, list members have responded, "yes". My point here is that if a veteran enjoys the feeling of confidence and stability inspired by loosing 250lbs of gross vehicle weight, just think what it does for a new rider. I believe we're doing new riders a disservice when we recommend the PC as a first mount. Some of the European countries have a graduated motorcycle license which forces riders to progress through a series of smaller machines before being "unlimited". Even though this isn't a legal requirement in the states, I think it is a very prudent practice. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:59:10 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Sometimes Less is More Hi, Jim: << Okay, so what's the point of all this rambling. On several occasions when asked if the PC makes a good 1st bike, list members have responded, "yes". My point here is that if a veteran enjoys the feeling of confidence and stability inspired by loosing 250lbs of gross vehicle weight, just think what it does for a new rider. I believe we're doing new riders a disservice when we recommend the PC as a first mount. >> I think you're right. A 600+ lb machine is a lot to manage until you know how to do it. A few hundred less lbs, can make a big difference in the ability to recover from errors, and that can have a big effect of confidence. The PC is a lot better first bike than a Wing, a Voyager, a Concours, an ST or one of the big cruisers, but it certainly isn't the best first bike. If nothing else, everyone should ride something else first so that they can better appreciate a PC when they finally get one. :) J.T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. id QAA18174 (8.8.6/50); Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:28:14 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:27:14 -0500 To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Rich Gross Subject: Re: PC800: Sometimes Less is More >I think you're right. A 600+ lb machine is a lot to manage until you know how >to do it. A few hundred less lbs, can make a big difference in the ability to >recover from errors, and that can have a big effect of confidence. The PC is >a lot better first bike than a Wing, a Voyager, a Concours, an ST or one of >the big cruisers, but it certainly isn't the best first bike. If nothing >else, everyone should ride something else first so that they can better >appreciate a PC when they finally get one. :) I understand what you mean, and you are probably right. On the other hand, as a new PC800 owner (as my first bike), after only a couple of weeks of VERY CAREFUL break-in riding, I do not regret my decision at all. It is easy to drop (did it my first day while trying to raise the center stand). On the other hand, it has proven to be enough bike to take me anywhere. Once I got used to it under 5mph (no small feat), I was amazed just how easy it was to ride and maneuver. Compared to the 300cc Kaw I rode in MFS class, the PC800 is _easier_ to maneuver and balance. I would recommend it as a first bike if the new rider is 1) Mature and not in a rush 2) Reasonably physically strong to help compensate for the inevitable handling/balance errors which will occur when at a standstill or under 5 mph. 3) Has put in 10-15 hours in the MFS course. Once you get past the initial "too big for a first bike" phase, you've got a great machine which may never need to be upgraded. So, maybe not a good first bike for some, but ideal for others. Just my opinion. Rich Madison, WI =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Richard Gross, M.D. University of Wisconsin Medical School J5/210 CSC 600 Highland Avenue Madison, WI 53792 608 263-6972 Fax: 608 265-5834 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:31:59 EDT To: jrandall@kpt1.tricon.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Sometimes Less is More Excellent commentary, and I agree with many of your opinions. The PC is not a good first bike. It is too heavy and long in the inseam. A properly equipped PC is one of the best light touring machines made, but it is not sure footed over secondary pavements nor particually kind to mistakes made on a slow driving course. Bernie 94 PC 47K Overland Park, KS -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. via smtpd (for mailrelay.data-io.com [139.138.100.89]) with SMTP; 6 Oct 1998 21:47:50 UT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Cotes, Steven" To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "'Rich Gross'" Subject: RE: PC800: Sometimes Less is More Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:48:33 -0800 > ---------- > From: Rich Gross[SMTP:rgross@facstaff.wisc.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 1:27 PM > To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com; pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: PC800: Sometimes Less is More > > >I think you're right. A 600+ lb machine is a lot to manage until you > know how > >to do it. A few hundred less lbs, can make a big difference in the > ability to > >recover from errors, and that can have a big effect of confidence. > The PC is > >a lot better first bike than a Wing, a Voyager, a Concours, an ST or > one of > >the big cruisers, but it certainly isn't the best first bike. If > nothing > >else, everyone should ride something else first so that they can > better > >appreciate a PC when they finally get one. :) > > I understand what you mean, and you are probably right. On the other > hand, > as a new PC800 owner (as my first bike), after only a couple of weeks > of > VERY CAREFUL break-in riding, I do not regret my decision at all. It > is > easy to drop (did it my first day while trying to raise the center > stand). > > On the other hand, it has proven to be enough bike to take me > anywhere. > Once I got used to it under 5mph (no small feat), I was amazed just > how > easy it was to ride and maneuver. Compared to the 300cc Kaw I rode in > MFS > class, the PC800 is _easier_ to maneuver and balance. > > I would recommend it as a first bike if the new rider is > > 1) Mature and not in a rush > 2) Reasonably physically strong to help compensate for the > inevitable > handling/balance errors which will occur when at a standstill or under > 5 > mph. > 3) Has put in 10-15 hours in the MFS course. > > Once you get past the initial "too big for a first bike" phase, you've > got > a great machine which may never need to be upgraded. So, maybe not a > good > first bike for some, but ideal for others. Just my opinion. > > Rich > Madison, WI > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Richard Gross, M.D. > University of Wisconsin Medical School > J5/210 CSC > 600 Highland Avenue > Madison, WI 53792 > 608 263-6972 Fax: 608 265-5834 > I tend to agree with Rich. The PC is my first bike. For some it would be better to start smaller, for me I'm glad I didn't. I'm putting 300 commuting miles a week on it and if I had gotten something smaller I would have already been looking to trade up. Without the MSF course I wouldn't feel this way. - steve cotes - '96 PC - 7300 miles since April -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ROBJHALL@aol.com for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:56:21 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fwd: PC800: Saeng Edging --part0_907710982_boundary Jeff: I just purchased a 96 and am a little worried about the dreaded "wind blast" associated with the stock shield. I have an 89 w/ the tall windshield the protects my face. I remember test driving the 89 w/ the stock shield and a full face helmet and the slipstream shot right under my chin and threw my head back. At 6'3" (3'' inches taller than you) do you think the Saeng Edging will me help much? I need to pick up the bike in Atlanta Georgia and I live in Raleigh, NC so it could be a long ride. Rob Cary NC 89 PC w/ 43000 & holding 96 PC w/0000 and waiting In a message dated 10/6/98 9:28:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JRBPilot@aol.com writes: << Just got my package from Saeng last night, so I immediatly put the edging on and went for a ride. While I would stop short of saying the stuff is remarkable, It does do exactly what as advertised (It raises the slipstream off the windshield about 3"). This works very well for me as I am 6' 0" and with the stock windshield, I was getting the bulk of the slipstream on my helmet visor and in my eyes. The Saeng edging pushes this up just enough to barely graze the top of my helmet. It was a little tricky getting it cut to the right length (I cut mine about 3/16" too short) but looks good on, and it is easily removable. I didn't notice it blocking my vision at all, and it really didn't grab my attention at speed (I was afraid the edging would make the normal windshield flex and higher speeds more noticeable). No report yet on what this may do to fuel economy, but I am guessing no worse than if I had gotten a taller windshield. All-in-all, I am pretty happy with my $40 investment at Saeng. Riding on... Jeff in Cincinnati '96 PC w/ 1257 miles >> --part0_907710982_boundary Content-disposition: inline air-zc05.mail.aol.com (v50.16) with SMTP; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 09:28:23 -0400 by rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id JAA05747; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:28:14 -0400 (EDT) sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA08139; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:27:55 -0500 (CDT) sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA08126 for ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JRBPilot@aol.com for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:26:36 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Saeng Edging Just got my package from Saeng last night, so I immediatly put the edging on and went for a ride. While I would stop short of saying the stuff is remarkable, It does do exactly what as advertised (It raises the slipstream off the windshield about 3"). This works very well for me as I am 6' 0" and with the stock windshield, I was getting the bulk of the slipstream on my helmet visor and in my eyes. The Saeng edging pushes this up just enough to barely graze the top of my helmet. It was a little tricky getting it cut to the right length (I cut mine about 3/16" too short) but looks good on, and it is easily removable. I didn't notice it blocking my vision at all, and it really didn't grab my attention at speed (I was afraid the edging would make the normal windshield flex and higher speeds more noticeable). No report yet on what this may do to fuel economy, but I am guessing no worse than if I had gotten a taller windshield. All-in-all, I am pretty happy with my $40 investment at Saeng. Riding on... Jeff in Cincinnati '96 PC w/ 1257 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. --part0_907710982_boundary-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "The Broeking's" To: "Cotes, Steven" , , , "'Rich Gross'" Subject: Re: PC800: Sometimes Less is More Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:03:01 -0400 I agree with rich and Steve, The PC is my first bike also and Rich's three qualifications are accurate... the most interesting time is slow speed parking lot stuff; but its center of gravity is still great. Bob --------- >> From: Rich Gross[SMTP:rgross@facstaff.wisc.edu] >> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 1:27 PM >> To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com; pc800@hpc.uh.edu >> Subject: Re: PC800: Sometimes Less is More >> (some stuff deleted) >> I would recommend it as a first bike if the new rider is >> >> 1) Mature and not in a rush >> 2) Reasonably physically strong to help compensate for the >> inevitable >> handling/balance errors which will occur when at a standstill or under >> 5>> mph. >> 3) Has put in 10-15 hours in the MFS course. >> >I tend to agree with Rich. >The PC is my first bike. For some it would be better to start smaller, >for me I'm glad I didn't. I'm putting 300 commuting miles a week on it >and if I had gotten something smaller I would have already been looking >to trade up. Without the MSF course I wouldn't feel this way. > > - steve cotes > - '96 PC - 7300 miles since April >-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:11:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Garbacik To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Sometimes Less is More (long) My experience (now is a good time to hit the delete key) was with a Honda 90 (not the step-thru) in college just a couple of years ago. Well . . . .maybe like 20 something years ago. OKAY it was closer to 30 years ago. Anyway. Took the MSF course first, then rode a couple of bikes. Goldwing - too big. VFR600 - riding position just didn't fit. SilverWing (GL500I) - seems right, bike was in good shape, price was right. Bought it. Loved it and loved being back on two wheels. Wind came up. Renamed it SilverBeast. Too top heavy. Got blown around when we had winds. Got scared once, stopped riding for a week. Got scared second time, started asking for advice. Put SilverBeast up for sale. (Advice received: Contact Tim Macy and ask about his PC800). Got scared third time, stopped riding - SilverBeast still up for sale. Joined this list. Got incredible deal on an incredible 89 from David Q-G in Kent Washington. Test rode bike around block. Bought bike. Trucked bike home. Sold SiverBeast. Did several trips on back roads, lot practise at the high school, rode in to town to get plates, etc. Wind on way home. A pleasure. It reacted just as Tim and many of you said it would (the auto-lean feature). The PC fits me, fits my riding style, is comfortable, has enough power, and is quiet. I can't imagine a better bike for me. If I had started back to motorcycling with something other than the SilverBeast, I'm not sure that I would have been scared enough to start asking questions. I might have put the experience down as: It just isn't as much fun as I remember it was. Fortunatly I was bothered enough to start looking for reasons. Tim Macy was very understanding and patient with me, and it was on his glowing recommendation that I started looking seriously at the PC. I don't regret it a bit, motorcycling is good. Thanks again Tim! Tom '89 Moonbeam Corvallis, OR -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:20:18 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 18:13:52 -0400 From: John Mc Clun To: PC List Subject: PC800: Brake Bar To those who ased - I worked up an acrylic black translucent bar. But the bar was so dark that the LEDs barely showed through. By the time I got it thin enough to be visible (4th try at casting) it was so thin as to be unusable. So then I tried a clear plexiglass bar, cutting it in half, bending and then polshing the back side. This acted as an LED magnifier and put out a LOT of light. But alas I didn't like it because it did not "disappear" in the body work. SO what have I learned - I'm going to drill 15 holes, 5mm in diameter along the tail above the Honda decal. Then I'm putting in ultra bright leds sealed with RTV (boat sealant type). This will make it water prouf. Any one still interested I'll send you my measurements if you send me a pound of courage. Uhhhhhh..... I'm just not up for doing this but I want that light so bad. I really think this is the way to do it and can't figure out why Honda hasn't done it. BTW, the ultra brites put out 2000 mcd as compared to about 20 or 30 for normal leds and 100 to 200 for high brite types. So they are really visible. As attested to by any one who has followed a car with the little buggers in a fin or tail bar ( like the Cad STS or the Mazda RX). As for the grips that I modified: I don't remeber the brand name. They were a soft spunge with a chrome end held on by a screw and at the 7/8" opening was another chrome piece that formed a collar. I removed the chrome end cap, cut the rubber end off and put them on after putting the throttle lock on. Then I screwed the balance weight back on. It worked perfectly. John -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:09:00 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 19:02:34 -0400 From: John Mc Clun To: PC List Subject: PC800: (no subject) Back Rest - Planet Honda is selling the backrest for $143.23 for the gentleman that asked for a better price. John -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: Left, right ? Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:24:10 +0200 -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: lcshepp@ibm.net >5. The left rear shock: The stock unit on the left side has no adjustment on my '94. I believe >that is true for all years on the PC; I don't think that got changed. The right hand unit has the >only adjustment on the stock shocks. I don't know about replacement units. > ?????????????????????????????????? You must be looking at it from the front. Or someone put PC stickers on your Goldwing. Or you must have very poor vision. Or you're looking at it via a mirror. Did you take your medicine ? It is left, right ? Right ? Left ? Right ! ___ [_ mile Nossin '90 PC800 "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Holland, Santpoort "Eat well, sleep tight. For tomorrow comes, and it's all yours" http://www.cybercomm.nl/~emile ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rocheux@juno.com by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQWUGXRU; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 20:29:42 EDT To: steve_z@may-uky.campus.mci.net Cc: rocheux@juno.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:23:46 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Modulator Kisan modulator was the subject of a real problem in a recent post. Does anyone else know of problems associated with them? I would like to get one soon when I quit spending money on things such as Cushmans and do not want to buy a little problem. Rocket ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rocheux@juno.com by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQWUGXCG; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 20:29:41 EDT To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:06:40 -0400 Subject: PC800: K177 I had a dlr tell me the K177 is being discontinued and the 555 will stay. Rocket ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: X-wind autolean ; I think I got it ! Okay, I didn't.... Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:30:04 +0200 > Mine's a '97, and in following this thread, I've nodded my head a few >times. > As to the "autolean", like Betty Lise mentioned, at first it was a bit >weird. Until I realized that the bike was intrinsically doing it > Patrick in La. > '97 Thumper Rabbit > Hmmm.... So it's not the front fender. Windshield lift ? Hmmmm...... I see some sleepless nights coming...... Emile '90 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Tue, 06 Oct 1998 20:57:42 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael D. Linkous" To: "Pacific Coast" Subject: PC800: thanks for motodepot link Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:57:21 -0400 Thanks to the person that posted the motodepot link. I have been looking at tailbags with built in bungee's. The dealer wants $90 for a Tourmaster TB-17. Motorcycle Acc.Warehouse wants $65.00 Moto-depot wants $45 FOT THE SAME IDENTICAL BAG!!!! Curious, does anyone have a tailbag with bungees for their PC? If so, do you like? ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- Michael D. Linkous Bluefield, WV www.angelfire.com/wv/mlink/index.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:21:15 -0400 (EDT) To: James R Randall , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Sometimes Less is More At 4:08 PM -0400 10/6/98, James R Randall wrote: >Okay, so what's the point of all this rambling. On several occasions when >asked if the PC makes a good 1st bike, list members have responded, "yes". >My point here is that if a veteran enjoys the feeling of confidence and >stability inspired by loosing 250lbs of gross vehicle weight, just think >what it does for a new rider. I believe we're doing new riders a >disservice when we recommend the PC as a first mount. Some of the European >countries have a graduated motorcycle license which forces riders to >progress through a series of smaller machines before being "unlimited". >Even though this isn't a legal requirement in the states, I think it is a >very prudent practice. > > Hi Jim. I partly agree with your observations. I think that for a first bike, the PC800 is a bit hefty, but that depends on the size of the rider. I'm 6'2", and my first bike was larger than the PC800, with a much higher seat height and a real gas tank up high on top of the 1000cc motor. I didn't have any problems with it. I had tried to ride a KZ550, but my knees would hit the bar ends when doing tight parking lot turns. I think that the most important thing to consider when recommending a first bike to someone is that persons level of maturity and their physical size. As far as graduated licensing.....yeah! A great idea...... It didn't exist when I got my license, and I watched a guy take his test for the 3rd time on a Honda Scooter. A few weeks later he pulled away from the Kawasaki dealer with his new Kawasaki KZ750 Turbo. The next time I went in for an oil change, I saw his bike in the yard out back. I think they were able to salvage the horn button and the rear tire valve. The rest was a write off. He still limps to this day. Now we have graduated licensing, even for car licenses. They limit your driving to daylight hours, and certain highways. You can't drive on a 3 digit highway (equivalent to an Interstate highway) and you can't have a passenger (for motorcycle licensing). During the graduated period, there is also a zero tolerance for alcohol. The legal limit in Ontario is .08, but if you blow as little as .01 while on a graduated licensing, then you are suspended for a while (6 months to 2 years). Quebec has a limit on the displacement of the bike as well as the experience level. The breakdown is at something like 450cc, 700cc, 1000cc, and then over 1000cc. (I'm not sure of the actual numbers, but you get the general idea.) So......graduated licensing can be a good thing, and I like the idea of it, but in my case it would have meant that I would have had to start on a smaller bike, on which I wasn't comfortable or felt secure...I guess everything has its good side and bad side.... Ride safe everyone.... fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 21:26:39 -0500 Subject: Re(2): PC800: Modulator To: rocheux@juno.com Cc: steve_z@may-uky.campus.mci.net, rocheux@juno.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) rocheux@juno.com writes: >Kisan modulator was the subject of a real problem in a recent post. Does >anyone else know of problems associated with them? I would like to get >one soon when I quit spending money on things such as Cushmans and do not >want to buy a little problem. >Rocket Sorry, no Kisan help, but I have a Kriss and have no problems with it. It is more expensive however, but it works well. I'm just experimenting now with the placement of the sensor to get it to keep modulating as long as I would like it to do. Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 01:27:26 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 20:24:15 -0500 From: MICHAEL TOLAR To: pc Subject: PC800: Antifreeze leak Has anyone with a '98 model experience an antifreeze leak coming out through the right side vent. The bike has been spitting small amounts of antifreeze since the first week I owned her. At the 600 mile check up the dealer said it was a loose hose clamp. Of course as soon as I got home she started leaking again. I 'm taking her to a different dealer tomorrow, see what he has to say. Mike Tolar '98PC800 Willowbrook, Il. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) Wed, 7 Oct 1998 01:37:38 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 20:34:27 -0500 From: MICHAEL TOLAR To: John D Louk CC: twostrokebruce@worldnet.att.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Pacific Coast Ride on the Year 2000 John, If your keeping a list for the 2000 tour put me on it. Mike Tolar 98PC800 Willowbrook, Il. John D Louk wrote: > On Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:23:24 -0400 "A. Bruce Robinson" writes: > i've heard that there is a ride on the pacific coasts highway in 2K, is > this true > where can i get info? > > >A. Bruce Robinson > >Princeton, NJ > >twostrokebruce@worldnet.att.net > >v2bimota@aol.com > >icq 5099113 desmoHead > > You've asked the right question. Tim Macy of Portland, OR and myself, > both on this list, are putting this ride together. The ride is planned > for the second week of Sept 2000 in Northern California or Southern > Oregon. I've added your name to the list of those expressing interest > and will send all info as this event comes together. Welcome aboard. > > John Louk > Carmel, IN > '90 PC "Ruby" > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 21:39:32 -0500 Subject: Re: PC800: thanks for motodepot link To: mdlinkous@netlinkcorp.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) mdlinkous@netlinkcorp.com writes: >Thanks to the person that posted the motodepot link. I have been looking >at >tailbags with built in bungee's. The dealer wants $90 for a Tourmaster >TB-17. Motorcycle Acc.Warehouse wants $65.00 > >Moto-depot wants $45 FOT THE SAME IDENTICAL BAG!!!! > >Curious, does anyone have a tailbag with bungees for their PC? If so, do >you like? >----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- >Michael D. Linkous >Bluefield, WV >www.angelfire.com/wv/mlink/index.html I have an Eclipse Rumble Pack Seatpack that matches my '98 PC (red/black) and is 12" X 11" expandable from 7" high to 12" high. There is a reflective stripe all the way around it at the mid section. It comes with a raincover. Works well and looks good. I bought it for a weekend when both my trunks were full of photo equipment for a wedding I was shooting and I had no room for my clothes. I see it listed in Competition Accessories catalog for $69.95 and I think that is about what I paid for it. The only "modification" I made for mounting on my PC was to remove the four vinyl covered metal hooks from the bungee (very easy), turn them around so they now hook on the inside of my grab rails instead of the outside, and I bent them open more (easy again) so as not to make marks on my grab rails. Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 21:41:14 -0500 Subject: Re: PC800: Antifreeze leak To: mtolar@worldnet.att.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) mtolar@worldnet.att.net writes: >Has anyone with a '98 model experience an antifreeze leak coming out >through the right side vent. The bike has been spitting small amounts of >antifreeze since the first week I owned her. At the 600 mile check up >the dealer said it was a loose hose clamp. Of course as soon as I got >home she started leaking again. I 'm taking her to a different dealer >tomorrow, see what he has to say. > >Mike Tolar >'98PC800 >Willowbrook, Il. I have not had a problem with mine. Come to think of it, I guess I should check the level:-) Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 21:47:47 -0500 Subject: PC800: AMA Letter To: lcshepp@ibm.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 Rider) Leland, Was that your pro-Pacific Coast letter I just read tonight in my new issue of the AMA's American Motorcyclist magazine. Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. env-from (bdhopkins@pcisys.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Brian Hopkins To: "'Michael D. Linkous'" , Pacific Coast Subject: RE: PC800: thanks for motodepot link Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:50:27 -0700 Go to www.rka-luggage.com Look at their tailbags. I have one tailbag and one tankbag. Best soft luggage made. Not cheap but a good value. I traded in the bikes but not the luggage. I figure that says something. Great stuff. Brian D. Hopkins Bdhopkins@pcisys.net '99 BMW R1100RT (Oh, so close I can taste it-daddy, I wanna go play ) HSTA #8274 -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Michael D. Linkous [SMTP:mdlinkous@netlinkcorp.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 5:57 PM To: Pacific Coast Subject: PC800: thanks for motodepot link Thanks to the person that posted the motodepot link. I have been looking at tailbags with built in bungee's. The dealer wants $90 for a Tourmaster TB-17. Motorcycle Acc.Warehouse wants $65.00 Moto-depot wants $45 FOT THE SAME IDENTICAL BAG!!!! Curious, does anyone have a tailbag with bungees for their PC? If so, do you like? ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- Michael D. Linkous Bluefield, WV www.angelfire.com/wv/mlink/index.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 20:51:31 -0500 To: JRBPilot@aol.com From: "Richard A. Nadeau" Subject: Re: PC800: Saeng Edging Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I have purchased the Saeng edging and I am quite pleased with it. My mileage has not changed. I still get an average of 50 mpg. Rich Nadeau 96 PC 11,600 great miles Nashville,TN At 10:26 AM 10/6/98 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 10/06/98 10:17:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MCGWHIZZ >writes: > ><< I also purchased this edging and had the same problem with measurement (:(( >- but the other surprises came later. Normally "Snort" gets about 47 to 48 >mpg (at any speed) so I was really surprised when my mpg dropped to >35.......... I tried several different grades and makes of fuel and the >results were the same. So, I took off the edging and the mileage popped back >up to 48. >> > >Has anyone else noticed this dramatic effect on fuel economy? > >Thanks for the feedback > >Jeff in Cincinnati >'96 PC w/ 1257 miles >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m4.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQWZ5XXD; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 22:08:33 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:59:07 -0500 Subject: PC800: wanna buy one? From: stombell@juno.com (Pamela J Stomberg) Hi everyone!! I joined this e-mail list because I am seriously considering the purchase of a PC800. I am female, 5' 4". I have had my license for one year. My motorcycling significant other, who happens to have an 1100 Goldwing, got his hands on a 1982 Yamaha Virago for me last year. Since we do a lot of riding (I have put in excess of 10,000 miles on the Virago in a year), I am considering a PC800 as possibly a better touring machine. I have a few questions since subscribing to the list: 1) What in the world is auto-lean? 2) Is this thing road worthy as far as wind goes or not? Everyone seems to be doing all sorts of things to their bikes in an effort to cure wind problems. 3) Is the stock seat adequate? Haven't heard anything pro or con. 4) Are you all comparing your experiences to smaller bikes, street bikes, cruisers or touring machines? Evaluating the PC800 would definitely be different coming off of a CB200 versus a 1500 Goldwing. 5) Is anyone aware of any MCN (Motorcycle Consumer News) evaluations or comments on the PC800. 6) Is the slow speed handling characteristics of this bike typical of a touring bike, a cruiser, or what? 7) How in the world does one get their hands on one of these things for a test drive? My dealer won't stock one, so I can't test drive one there. They seem to never be in the paper for sale. What is one to do? ps I got the name of the PC800 list from MCN. P J Stomberg Omaha, NE stombell@juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jpatton@neptune.ConnectI.com Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:44:19 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Rifle install I have just installed my new Rifle (thanks Tim!) I was wondering if anyone else with an 89PC had trouble with this past of the install instructons : "5. Remove the metal brace." and "2. Install the metal brace and secure loosely with the stock screw in center hole over the headlight." My confusion is...there IS no "metal brace" to initially remove! Any help is appreciated, as it is currently held in with one screw, and fairing trim! Thanks JPatton 89PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JRBPilot@aol.com Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:40:31 EDT To: rgross@facstaff.wisc.edu, JTSMCRIDER@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Sometimes Less is More I agree with Rich. The PC is also my first bike, and after a careful break-in and getting used to, I am very comfortable on the bike, and do not regret my purchase at all. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JRBPilot@aol.com Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:47:32 EDT To: ROBJHALL@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Saeng Edging Sounds like your head my still get blasted a bit...just depends on how much of your 6' 3" is from waist up. I would recommend riding with the stock shield and seeing where you get most of the wind. You CAN count on the Saeng Edging to raise that 3" but not much more than that. If you need more than 3", or it's that uncomfortable for you, I would suggest a tall shield. I just personally didn't care for the looks of the tall shield options. Hope this helps, and congratulations on your purchase. Jeff in Cincinnati '96 PC w/ 1257 Miles P.S. I just moved to Cincinnati from Atlanta. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: stombell@juno.com (Pamela J Stomberg) cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: wanna buy one? of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 20:59:07 CDT." <19981006.210710.10166.0.stombell@juno.com> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 22:21:48 -0500 Pamela J Stomberg writes: > Hi everyone!! > > I joined this e-mail list because I am seriously considering the purchase > of a PC800. I am female, 5' 4". I have had my license for one year. My > motorcycling significant other, who happens to have an 1100 Goldwing, got > his hands on a 1982 Yamaha Virago for me last year. Since we do a lot of > riding (I have put in excess of 10,000 miles on the Virago in a year), I > am considering a PC800 as possibly a better touring machine. I have a > few questions since subscribing to the list: > > 1) What in the world is auto-lean? What I can glean from all the gabbing is some claim their PC leans into side winds. Some have claimed the disc fairings on the '96 and older models catch the wind and cause this. And then go on to claim this is desirable. I have a '98 and have not noticed it. > 2) Is this thing road worthy as far as wind goes or not? Everyone seems > to be doing all sorts of things to their bikes in an effort to cure wind > problems. No, they are just anal. If it can be identified then it can be improved. If they can't be riding they have to be talking about riding. Any subject will do. :-) > 3) Is the stock seat adequate? Haven't heard anything pro or con. If you've put 10k miles on a vinyl-seated Virago without complaints then the PC seat will be fine. IMHO the only "problem" is vinyl doesn't breath so one can get hot and sticky down there. > 4) Are you all comparing your experiences to smaller bikes, street > bikes, cruisers or touring machines? Evaluating the PC800 would > definitely be different coming off of a CB200 versus a 1500 Goldwing. I've never owned anything bigger. Have ridden KZ-1000's and others. > 5) Is anyone aware of any MCN (Motorcycle Consumer News) evaluations or > comments on the PC800. Isn't that the genius publication which stated on their online review the PC had a narrow powerband? Gee wiz, narrow when compared to a DC electric motor, maybe? Otherwise the torque is flat as a pancake (that's a good thing.) > 6) Is the slow speed handling characteristics of this bike typical of a > touring bike, a cruiser, or what? Maybe better. Hot topic in the GWRRA mag the past couple of months is "landing gears." Somebody makes retractable landing gears for those who are likely to fall over during slow speed maneuvers. > 7) How in the world does one get their hands on one of these things for > a test drive? My dealer won't stock one, so I can't test drive one > there. They seem to never be in the paper for sale. What is one to do? Uh, Honda was giving free test rides at Wing Ding XX. Next Wing Ding is July 4, 1999 (or the July 4 weekend). Think its in Springfield, MO. The weekend I made my purchase made the rounds of 4 dealers. Two had PC's. One had used PC's that I could ride. We couldn't come within $1300 of the price another dealer offered on the phone. Last stop was at that dealer, instructing him to fetch a PC for me. Got it the next week. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: MICHAEL TOLAR cc: pc From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Antifreeze leak of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 20:24:15 CDT." <361AC2BE.20E717A5@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 22:04:34 -0500 MICHAEL TOLAR writes: > Has anyone with a '98 model experience an antifreeze leak coming out > through the right side vent. The bike has been spitting small amounts of > antifreeze since the first week I owned her. At the 600 mile check up > the dealer said it was a loose hose clamp. Of course as soon as I got > home she started leaking again. I 'm taking her to a different dealer > tomorrow, see what he has to say. Think somebody reported spending a lot of time with an '96 and that problem to discover a bad radiator cap. On a new PC. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: annreid@juno.com by x16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQW7PFZY; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 23:45:29 EDT To: stombell@juno.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:43:46 -0700 Subject: PC800: PC OR BUST! Pamela/PJ, AKA: Ms. PC WannaBe 1) What in the world is auto-lean? I don't have a clue. It's been discussed (to death) lately and I've not "consciously" experienced it in the 34,000 miles I've put on my '89 PC since purchasing in 1996. 2) Is this thing road worthy as far as wind goes or not? It has been for me. I'm 4' 14" and probably old enuf to be your mother. I've ridden in very heavy wind/rain/hail in Oklahoma (toronado alley) and Denver areas as well as Nevada and New Mexico where there's nothing to break the wind. *PUNNY, HUH?* 3) Is the stock seat adequate? It's great for me as far as comfort is concerned for long distances .... when I use a sheepskin atop to prevent vinyl fatigue. However, I had it cut down 3" at the Sturgis rally in 1996 'cause touching the ground was a problem and backing up without help was impossible. 4) Are you all comparing your experiences to smaller bikes, street bikes, cruisers or touring machines? I don't have a lot of experience to tell about. My first bike was a Kaw 900 in 1975. Sold it in 1983. Didn't ride again till 1994. Bot an '83 Nighthawk 650 for $1100; it got stolen. Bot an '85 Magna 700 for $1,650; too hot for Arizona and not enuf storage in saddlebags. Bot used, one owner, '89 PC in 1996 with 9,400 miles on the odom. 5) Is anyone aware of any MCN (Motorcycle Consumer News) evaluations or comments on the PC800. Yes! Plus I've spoken with Fred Rau (editor) several times about it. MCN likes it .... A LOT! Me, too!! The PC is one of Honda's best kept secrets. It's very reliable (in general), good mileage, great handling (I do a lot of mtn. twisties.), comfortable for long distances. I rode AZ to NC last summer with my biker budd, and solo Phx, San Diego, Anaheim in Aug. (about 900 miles). Do those count? *GRIN* 6) Is the slow speed handling characteristics of this bike typical of touring bike, a cruiser, or what? I haven't a clue. I don't have a slow speed handling problem UNLESS I am on dirt/gravel and/or use a tank bag which inhibits handling 'cause it bumps into the horn and/or starter. I think I've only dragged my peg once. When I test drove the "other" (Kaw & Yamaha) brands' big bikes at the Honda Hoot, they ALL dragged even at slow speeds as I entered parking lots even. 7) How in the world does one get their hands on one of these things for a test drive? I've never been to Nebraska. Do you have a weekly CYCLE TRADER publication? How much to run your ad to "test drive" one? Have you called ALL the dealers in case they took one in trade for another brand? I guess you could come to Arizona and try mine. Weather's great....and so is my PC! *IMHO* TRY IT, YOU'LL LOVE IT!! Good Luck! Ann '89 PC-AZ Roller Ghoster Tue. 10.6.98 20:40 MST ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: annreid@juno.com by x16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQW7PFYV; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 23:45:29 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:05:10 -0700 Subject: PC800: DOES SIZE MATTER? FIRST BIKES IMHO it's a matter of personal preference, mental comfort (confidence), and individual physical abilities.....NOT THE SIZE. It's the balance (center of gravity) and handling design/capacity and reliability of the bike. And in my own case, perhaps a bit of ignorance is bliss? My first bike was a 1975 Kawasaki Z1 (900) in 1975, when I was 40-something. I was 4' 14" then .... and now. *GRIN* It is the bike I learned to ride on. My husband had one and I decided we shouldn't own any vehicle I didn't know how to drive. Solution: Teach Ann. Ann liked it ..... A LOT. Ann wouldn't give it back. That was Jan. 1975. On Feb. 1, 1975 we bought the twin to it, had the seat cut down and customize to my backside and I always rode in 3" wedgy heeled office work shoes (or else I couldn't touch the ground). Never owned boots till I bought the PC in 1996. And I never dropped a bike till I bought the PC. Oh, the Z fell over numerous times when I'd forget to put the kickstand down and walked away. It took several seconds for it to fall over....all by itself. *WINK* Someone always came along and picked it up for me. It had what we used to call crashbars (engine guard today), and so no harm came to her. SIDE NOTE: I couldn't pick up the Z. I can't pick up the PC. And I probably couldn't pick up a 350-650cc either. So, I might as well have what FEELS GOOD when I'm riding on top . . . not when/if it falls. Yes, the Z probably was too big, too heavy, and too fast. But I loved that bike. I still miss it, and for sure I miss the 8 years of fun we had on them! But I'm doing everything in my power to create great new memories on the PC. The PC will never truly replace the Z in my memorybank but it's sure fun trying! *SMILE* Personally, I tend to be an assertive (aggressive?) driver and have always loved vehicular speed. So, a Cushman was out of the question. I really need (want!) something big enuf to be seen and powerful enuf to get out of harms way in a heartbeat, fast enuf to get me to my destination in this lifetime, and comfortable enuf to keep me from whining. (She said selfishly.) So, 23 years ago, it was the "Z". Today it's the "PC." Only the letters have changed. Ann '89 PC-AZ Ghost Coast Tue. 10.6.98 20:00 MST ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Doylefish@aol.com for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:34:57 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: courtesy hand waving Hi Guys, I am one of the guys that waves to everyone regardless of what they or I ride. I might say that once in a while I do get caught day-dreaming and flat do not catch a oncoming motorcycle in time to wave. I hope that some of your missed waves are explained this way. Ride safe and often Doyle C. Frazier Lebanon, Oregon 96PC-Dark Vadar -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 21:46:44 -0700 From: Roger Pariseau To: Francois Saint Laurent CC: James R Randall , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Sometimes Less is More Francois Saint Laurent wrote: > Quebec has a limit on the displacement of the bike as well as the > experience level. The breakdown is at something like 450cc, 700cc, 1000cc, > and then over 1000cc. (I'm not sure of the actual numbers, but you get the > general idea.) I beg to differ. As one of those people damned sick and tired of guvmint paternalizing us and "saving us from ourselves," I abhor these sorts of graduated licenses. Next they'll have a permit for cars weighing more than a ton-and-a-half or possessing more than 60HP, to two-and-a-half-ton autos or possessing more than 120HP, etc., etc. I climbed off my 80cc scooter and onto a CB750 Nighthawk, drove immediately into traffic, rode three miles thru the middle of town to a computer show, and then another 20+ hiway miles home. Biggest problems were determining the clutch's grab spot and getting myself sensitized to the front disc brake. That adjustment took about three stops and starts. . . . At no time was I a danger to others or to myself! If kids are problem drivers (and they _are_!), then license prileges should be withheld until they attain an age that they become actuarily responsible. If that's 25 or 30, so be it. Might hurt the fat auto industry but it would bolster our sagging public transport and lessen emissions to boot! Insofar as motorcycles are concerned, whether a person can handle a given bike will pretty much be determined from the bike's starting point to the second right hand turn. If s/he's made it ok that far, then s/he'll be just fine. Three simple rules to keep it that way: 1. Everybody else has the right of way; 2. Never drive beyond your or your bike's capabilities; and 3. Ignore peer pressure. "That government governs best which governs least." -- Thomas Jefferson -- Roger Future PC Owner! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 00:04:16 -0500 From: Jeffrey King To: Pamela J Stomberg CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: wanna buy one? Pamela J Stomberg wrote: > > Hi everyone!! > > I joined this e-mail list because I am seriously considering the > purchase > of a PC800. I am female, 5' 4". I have had my license for one year. > My > motorcycling significant other, who happens to have an 1100 Goldwing, > got > his hands on a 1982 Yamaha Virago for me last year. Since we do a lot > of > riding (I have put in excess of 10,000 miles on the Virago in a year), > I > am considering a PC800 as possibly a better touring machine. I have a > few questions since subscribing to the list: > > 1) What in the world is auto-lean?