********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tom and/or Anita Humphrey" To: , Subject: RE: PC800: CA emissions Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 22:52:31 -0700 Importance: Normal Your question about something in the gas filler neck of California PCs...... I have had two each '94 California PCs, and both have an unobstructed filler. A BIG WIDE filler neck. No valve. No ball-check. Just like all the non-California models. They do have a pesky hose to the evaporative system in the gas cap, however. It gets in the way of fill up. But it prevents dropped or lost gas caps, I guess. ....for what it is worth.....Tom in Clayton, CA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. <614CC7C21856D1118DA30060B06B48736DC28C@smf-nt-mail1.verifone.com> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 07:17:05 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Betty Lise Anderson Subject: Re: PC800: Found nice matching analog clock and thermometer Peter Noeth writes: > I finally found a nice small analog clock that looks nice on the >PC....[snip] >there is a matching thermometer that when mounted on the >other pop out...[snip] > The clock and thermometer were $15 each, a real bargan. This sounds cool! Are they waterproof? Betty Lise Anderson Dept. Of Electrical Engineering The Ohio State University 205 Dreese Lab 2015 Neil Avenue Columbus OH check out the cool zip code 43210 http://eewww.eng.ohio-state.edu/~anderson/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ROBJHALL@aol.com Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 08:20:58 EDT To: Emile@Cybercomm.nl Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: RE: Noise I had a similar problem w/ Metzlers. The noise the ML 2 created was deafening at 40mph+. I also made the mistake of leaving a Dunlop on the front since it still had some life on it. The Metzler "cupped" after only 6,000 miles. Say good by to $150! Say hello to Dunlops. As far as tire wear goes I'm amazed that people get 15,000+ miles on these tires. I have 40,000+ miles on my '89 PC and have gotten 10,000 miles on the rear and 11,000 on the front. I usually ride one up and use the bike for commuting about 20 miles a day on backroads in NC. FYI Rob 89 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:39:58 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: Tires. Asking again Well, it's soapbox time. I have been riding bikes for nigh 20 years and have gone through lots of tire changes. You know, there are stereophiles who can hear the difference after a CD that has been treated by a green felt marker or stored in the freezer for a week to release internal manufacturing stresses (or gold-filled 4-guage speaker cables vs 10-guage copper speaker cables.) In the stereo world we call these people "golden ears." If any of you can remember the way your fresh tires a year ago handled, completely forget the way your old, bald, square-cross-section tires handled this morning, and accurately contrast your new tires, then I designate you "golden asses." For me, the difference between what my bald, square tires felt like this morning, and what my new beautiful round-cross-section grabby deep-tread tires feel like this afternoon, COMPLETELY outweighs anything I can remember from a year ago. New tires ALWAYS feel beautiful. They ALWAYS have more traction, better handling, quieter cornering than the old tires. -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: Cc: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: 12 volt horns Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 08:42:37 -0400 << To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "Daniel MacKay" Cc: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: Tires. Asking again Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 08:46:23 -0400 << To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 01 Sep 1998 08:49:09 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 08:48:47 -0400 From: "J. MARK VENABLE" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: Asking Again Rocky wrote: >I asked about tires. Seems there are only three choices. Dunlop K177 and >K555 and the MetzEler ML2s. Altho the Metzelers last longer I wanted the >stickiest-to-the-road type. I got one answer and I solicit others now. >Which of the 3 in your opinion is the one which will provide the most >traction? The 177's seem to be largely unavailable reducing your choice to two tires. I have friends that ride PCs and swear by both. I asked this question on the list a couple of months ago and the Metzelers were favored by the majority of responders. I bought a set of ML2's and really like them. I don't put lots of miles on the bike so performance was more important to me than long life. (I just replaced the OEM tires on my '90 at about 12,000 miles) Of course the significant difference of new tires over worn tires probably makes any new rubber seem like magic. I doubt if you will go seriously wrong with either tire. Mark Venable '90 "This End Up" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 08:54:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 08:54:50 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: CA emissions In a message dated 9/1/1998 0:59:38 AM Central Daylight Time, Tom writes: << I have had two each '94 California PCs, and both have an unobstructed filler. >> Thanks for the info, Tom. J.T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:58:31 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: Tires. Asking again ><<This is a new one on me. As Ricky said to Lucy, "Splain!". >Have I missed somthing to which my "golden ears" may be entitled? Oh yeah. There are expensive green felt markers for sale in audio shops. You colour the inside of each CD's hub. The green colour absorbs internal refracted stray laser beams, resulting in, ummm, more sprightly highs, more defined hi-hat hits, midranges with more substance and body, bass with shape and texture. Ordinary priced green felt markers do not have this effect, and a green felt marker that came from a stationary store is RIGHT OUT OF THE QUESTION. The marker has to come from a high-end audio store to properly refract the absorption. Ordinary people can't hear the difference but golden-ears can. But, the biggest difference in audio quality will come from wearing special audiophile clothes. You will be amazed by the defined bass, the perfect imaging of the high-end, and midranges with an unparallelled presence. In an odd quirk of optics, the audiophile clothes are invisible to non-golden-ears. I happen to have some for sale, write back today. -dan -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 1 Sep 98 08:02:00 -0500 From: Kendall Gray To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: "Greening" CDS Greening refers tothe practice of running a green marker around the rim ( inner or outer I do not remember ) of an audio CD. It is supposed to affect the laser light frequency as it reads the pits on the disk and give a richer, warmer sound. I do not have a golden ear. I've never been able to tell the difference. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:07:29 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Tires. Asking again In a message dated 9/1/1998 7:40:26 AM Central Daylight Time, Daniel writes: << New tires ALWAYS feel beautiful. They ALWAYS have more traction, better handling, quieter cornering than the old tires.>> Yep! You're right on target, Daniel. The only thing better than new tires in my experience has been new radial tires compared to new bias tires. I made this switch on my Hawk GT a few years back (getting ready to go to CLASS at Road Atlanta), and I was amazed and delighted with the difference. Unfortunately, there are few bikes that have the rim width necessary for this conversion, and the PC isn't one of them. Fortunately, the standard tires on the PC are more than up to the task. J.T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:33:31 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: PC800: Tire life extender Hi there everyone. So...now we all know that you can use the special green felt tip marker to impove the sound quality of a CD. This was originally a best kept secret for all the true audiophiles with 'golden ears' . In 'light' of the fact that this info has been 'broadcast' to the group, I am now prepared to offer you my new and improved "Tire Life Extender Marker" This very special, scientifically designed and internationally tested product is now available to you, the general public. It was originally only available to professionals in the tire industry. It consists of a huge black felt tip marker, with a special angle on the tip. (Standard markers have a 45 degree tip, this has a 46 degree tip.) You simply apply the marker to inside surface of the rim, every 4,000 feet. Of course, this requires removal of the tire, but the experts feel it is a worthy trade off. Here's how it works! The special ink in the marker coats the inside surface of the rim, and as a result it increases the pressure inside the tire, since there is now less room for the air. The special applicator insures that the ink is applied in the exact thinkness required. The ink is also a very low friction compound. and so the air inside the rim flows freely. I will accept orders only until midnight tonight. The cost is $39.95 for one, or ask for the special two-pack price of $89.95. Please add $13.26 for shipping and handling to any where in Canada or the lower 48. Alaska residents please add two seal pelts to cover additional handling charges. Make all checks or money orders payable to S. Cam Artists 201 Sucker Road Central Beach Cayman Islands SPECIAL SPECIAL SPECIAL ----the first 100 orders will receive a Green Marker for CD use !!!!! Mention Promotional Offer # s2u p1d -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ROBJHALL@aol.com Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:47:05 EDT To: djhcar@nt.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: New or recent PC800 in stock??? Denis: i know North Carolina doesn't quailfy as a Northeastern state, but I have been quoted prices of 5,999 for a '97 and 6,999 for a 98. Speaking of which, my sales rep has been looking for a '97 now for almost a month. Anybody heard or seen any bikes I can buy. i get the feeling he's playing the "waiting game" hoping I'll spring for a '98 when the '99's come out. I'd much rather save the money now. FYI Rob '89 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ROBJHALL@aol.com Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:47:07 EDT To: jking@iglobal.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Parked and sad.. Coaster Heat. My '89 PC has always run cool (near the low end of the scale) unless I'm stopped after riding awhile ...then it kicks up to about the halfway point on the temp guage. I've never seen it above halfway. By the way I bought the bike on Ohio and moved to NC 5 years ago. Needless to say the temperature is bit hotter (can you say Hell's kitchen) in NC than in Ohio. I saw no difference in operating tempertature in relation to ambient temperature. FYI Rob '89 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ROBJHALL@aol.com Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:47:03 EDT To: djhcar@nt.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: New or recent PC800 in stock??? Denis: i know North Carolina doesn't quailfy as a Northeastern state, but I have been quoted prices of 5,999 for a '97 and 6,999 for a 98. Speaking of which, my sales rep has been looking for a '97 now for almost a month. Anybody heard or seen any bikes I can buy. i get the feeling he's playing the "waiting game" hoping I'll spring for a '98 when the '99's come out. I'd much rather save the money now. FYI Rob '89 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 07:14:48 -0700 (PDT) From: John Scalisi Subject: Re: PC800: Found source of rearend whine To: PC800 Mailing List The tire pressures on the label in the trunk are for the original equipment Dunlop tires, K555's or K177's. I've only had the Metzelers on my 90 PC800 since I bought it last year. I ran 33 psi in the front all the time. I was running about 35 in the rear when riding solo and upped it to about 41 when riding two up with gear. But when I recently replaced the rear tire (with Metzeler again) I picked up a Metzeler brouchure. It had detail listings by bike of tire pressures. I don't have it in front of me but as I recall the front tire should be at 35psi and the rear at about 40 or 41. Then in the back of the brochure there was a table by tire of more detailed pressures by load carried. For example, at maximum load the rear can have up to 49psi. If you have Metzelers on your PC800 it makes for good reading as the label in the trunk doesn't apply if you've switched to Metzelers. ---"Steven R. Zweigart" wrote: > > << for > those on this list? > > So far, I've used 33psi in both front and rear, and have liked the ride that > way. Just this morning, a Goldwinger friend of mine suggested that I try > upping the pressure in the rear a bit from what is recommended. Of course, > he weighs considerably more than I do, but I'll probably try it for > comparison. I have not yet noticed any whine's or anythng, however. > > Steve Zweigart > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:22:00 -0300 To: PC800 Mailing List From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: Found source of rearend whine The tires whine when you lean a little, because you are touching fresh, relatively unworn tread to the tarmac. The "fresh" tread whines as it grabs the tarmac. When you put more pressure in the tires, you change the profile of the tire. Less of the previously-worn tread is touching the pavement, and when you lean a little, you stay on the previously-worn tread, and it doesn't touch. If you lean more, you will get to the "fresh" tread and you will hear the whine again. If you had always run your tires at the higher pressure, they would still whine when you leaned a little. In short, (a) get your tire pressure right according to the sticker in your trunk, not the max pressure stamp on the tire, and (b) don't worry about the tire whine when you're leaning the bike. -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "Francois Saint Laurent" Cc: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: Tire life extender Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:25:11 -0400 I, too, have been developing a special marker for motorcycle safety. Patent is still pending, but I trust the members of this mailing list to be the first to hear about my new Helmetless Riding Safety Marker. It comes in designer colors to match the colors of most cycles, and is scented in both masculine and feminine scents depending upon the riders' preferences. (I'm working on some aphrodisiac pheromone scents as well.) The marker is used by rubbing it all over the part of the body you wish to have protected, in particular the scalp. It can also be used on elbows, knees, ankles, etc. One user has attempted to use the marker as a prophylactic, but we have not yet heard if this was successful. The red HRSM can be used AFTER a crash to mask wounds. The AMA is considering a legislative campaign in states still requiring helmets to allow use of the HRSM. Prior to such legislative changes, I recommend that multiple colors of markers be used to draw a virtual helmet on the head. This is most effective if the scalp is shaved prior to application. Steve Zweigart -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: "Greening" CDS Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:21:56 +0200 >Greening refers tothe practice of >running a green marker around the rim >( inner or outer I do not remember ) of >an audio CD. It is supposed to affect >the laser light frequency as it reads >the pits on the disk and give a richer, >warmer sound. Yep, the digital output which was 01110010 (for example) will be warmer, deeper and more sensual, like ; OIIIOOIOOOOOOHH !! . It's truly incredible. Emile -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2); Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:44:42 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: New or recent PC800 in stock??? Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:43:01 -0400 From: cc: "Pacific Coast List" ROBJHALL@aol.com, ROBJHALL@aol.com writes: >i know North Carolina doesn't quailfy as a Northeastern state, but I have >been >quoted prices of 5,999 for a '97 and 6,999 for a 98. That's too much for the '98. Out the door prices on the list have been as low as $6050. I offered my dealer $6100 if I couldn't find a used one I wanted and she said she would take it, and, she would have had to order it in. --- Jim Hart "Organization is necessary for things to exist; Chaos is necessary for things to evolve." -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: It must be the concrete.... Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:48:30 +0200 -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: John Scalisi Onderwerp: Re: PC800: Found source of rearend whine >carried. For example, at maximum load the rear can have up to 49psi. >If you have Metzelers on your PC800 it makes for good reading as the >label in the trunk doesn't apply if you've switched to Metzelers. > That's what my maintenance shop told me also. After he installed the two Metzlers he recommended 230 kPa front and 260 kPa rear ( 34PSI front, 38PSI rear) and then see how the tires would wear and adjust the pressure accordingly. He told me the Metzlers should last longer than the Dunlops (under simular riding style circumstances). One of his 7 PC (!) customers has a Bridgestone front tire and seems to like it. Anyone tried this also ? According to some people on the list I didn't hear any tire noise because of my windshield. Well, It's really quiet behind my tall Honda shield at high speeds, eventhough I'm 6'3". But you guys got me thinking it could be even more quiet. So, while riding to work on the freeway I laid my head on the (fake) gas tank, I put it on the dashboard (simulating a 6' Rifle), all without ear-plugs and with an open visor. I did everthing I could think of to try and hear the 'noise' of my Metzlers. But everything I could hear was the faint roar of the engine and the distant buldering of the wind, no tires. In fact I couldn't hear them at slow speed either, just the gear/shaft-drive whine and the engine. It must be the concrete, guys. I can't think of anything else. Or you all have the tire pressure much to low. ___ [_ mile Nossin '90 PC800 "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Holland, Santpoort 'Never look back upon your live and say: " I should have done that....."' http://www.angelfire.com/nh/Nossin ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 10:59:35 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: Emile Nossin CC: PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: It must be the concrete.... Or maybe someone painted the inside of your hubs with a magic green marker while you weren't looking.:-) -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 46 Liter GIVI Bag, Rifle Shield, and too many other options to list. (My Wife might see!) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:07:46 -0400 To: "Emile Nossin" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: It must be the concrete.... Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >According to some people on the list I didn't hear any tire noise because of >my windshield. Well, It's really quiet behind my tall Honda shield at high >speeds, >eventhough I'm 6'3". But you guys got me thinking it could be even more quiet. >So, while riding to work on the freeway I laid my head on the (fake) gas tank, >I put it on the dashboard (simulating a 6' Rifle), all without ear-plugs >and with >an open visor. I did everthing I could think of to try and hear the >'noise' of my >Metzlers. Lean the bike into a turn. I don't really hear my tires when I am travelling in a straight line. It's only when I lean that I hear the noise they make. If this still doens't make any noise, then maybe your idea about the concrete needs to be further evaluated. Please send me about 1 mile of the concrete road you have and I'll do some tests here!!! bye for now... fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: It must be the concrete.... Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:29:48 +0200 -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Francois Saint Laurent Datum: dinsdag 1 september 1998 18:22 >Lean the bike into a turn. I don't really hear my tires when I am >travelling in a straight line. It's only when I lean that I hear the noise >they make. > The original discussion was about the Metz's making too much noise at high speed for long distance riding. This is different. I tried leaning. It's nice, it's more comfortable than turning without leaning. I tried it on some roundabouts, but the only noise I hear then is the scraping of the footpegs. Only when I'm rear wheel steering will the tires make some noise (YEAH RIGHT!, right? NO LEFT!, left?,RIGHT!). I'm still voting on the concrete (maybe in combination with low tire pressure and square tires??). >If this still doens't make any noise, then maybe your idea about the >concrete needs to be further evaluated. Please send me about 1 mile of >the concrete road you have and I'll do some tests here!!! > Maybe I can send some as an attachment, or is there still a ban on those ? Scraping along... ___ [_ mile Nossin '90 PC800 "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Holland, Santpoort 'Never look back upon your live and say: " I should have done that....."' http://www.angelfire.com/nh/Nossin ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:52:48 -0400 To: "Emile Nossin" , "PC800" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: It must be the concrete.... At 6:29 PM +0200 9/1/98, Emile Nossin wrote: >Maybe I can send some (concrete) as an attachment, or is there still a ban >on those ? > >Scraping along... >___ >[_ mile Nossin '90 PC800 "The Flying Dutchman" >[__urope, Holland, Santpoort > >' Hi Emile... You're right...you can't send attachments, so you won't be able to send me the concrete! I have an idea....mail me a plane ticket, and I'll come over there and try your bike and see if I can hear the noise!!! fsl :-) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 10:00:56 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC800: Tire life extender At 09:33 9/1/98 -0400, Francois Saint Laurent wrote: >I will accept orders only until midnight tonight. The cost is $39.95 for >one, or ask for the special two-pack price of $89.95. Please add $13.26 >for shipping and handling to any where in Canada or the lower 48. Alaska >residents please add two seal pelts to cover additional handling charges. Of all the cheap, rotten, fraudulent schemes, this has to be the worst I've heard. How can you live with yourself, Francois? Have you no shame? TWO seal pelts? I bet I can get the same from Philips in Hong Kong for only ONE otter pelt. Everyone thinks that just 'cause you live in Alaska you have fur to throw away.... :-) Juan Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens. J. R. R. Tolkien ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 PC800 School of Fisheries '91 VX800 & Ocean Sciences - UAF '96 EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "Juan A. Goula" Cc: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: Tire life extender Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:06:09 -0400 << To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Peter_N1@verifone.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: CA emissions Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:13:53 -0700 Cory asked: > << Doesn't the California version have a cylinder in the neck of the gas tank > filler that prevents you from "overfilling" the tank? > >> > Cory, there is no "cylinder" in the neck of the gas tank filler in the California model. You can overfill the tank to your hearts content. Peter Noeth, KE6ZJA, '96 w/6.8k and loving every minuite! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 10:20:02 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC800: Tire life extender At 14:06 9/1/98 -0400, you wrote: ><< >Since I'm in Kentucky, could anyone possibly please tell me the current >exchange rate between seal pelts and 'possum pelts? I called my bank and they said that possum pelts are like rubbles, we don't exchange them. Sorry :0) Juan Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens. J. R. R. Tolkien ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 PC800 School of Fisheries '91 VX800 & Ocean Sciences - UAF '96 EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Peter_N1@verifone.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, anderson@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Found nice matching analog clock and thermometer Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:25:08 -0700 Betty, The clock and thermometer are not waterproof as such. The thermometer instructions would seem to indicate that moisture would not be a problem as it is vented, but as for the clock, I am not sure how much water it could take before failure. As I don't intentionally ride in the rain, and keep the bike covered when parked, I hadn't considered waterproofness an inportant point. Peter Noeth, KE6ZJA, '96 w/6.8k and loving every minuite! Betty asked: >This sounds cool! Are they waterproof? > Peter Noeth writes: > > > I finally found a nice small analog clock that looks nice on the > >PC....[snip] >there is a matching thermometer that when mounted on the > >other pop out...[snip] > > The clock and thermometer were $15 each, a real bargan. > > > > Betty Lise Anderson > Dept. Of Electrical Engineering > The Ohio State University > 205 Dreese Lab 2015 Neil Avenue Columbus OH check out the cool zip code 43210 > http://eewww.eng.ohio-state.edu/~anderson/ > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: PC800: Adding Oil Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:43:32 -0400 Methinks that my month-old PC wants a little oil added to its diet. The oil on the dipstick comes to slightly below the crosshatches on the dipstick when measured in the manner stated in the manual. Also, shifting is becoming a bit "sloppy" with an occasional "hangup" sometimes. Is it OK just to top off the oil with a standard 10W 30 as recommended in the book without knowing what kind of oil was put in the cycle before I got it? (I got it immediately after its 600 mile service.) I'm thinking I would probably be better off changing the oil and filter...just in case there is some strange kind of brew in there...so it won't chemically convert into something nasty. Or, I could just rub a green magic marker on it to make it ok. Steve Zweigart -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 12:04:26 -0700 From: Eric Prior To: "Prince, Roger" Cc: PC800 Listserver Subject: Re: PC800: VDO Gauges Hi Roger, I've been thinking about getting exactly the same items. Do you have an 800 number or WWW address for USI? I think the place to mount these is in the inside upper corners of the speaker cutouts on the dash. If they are centered in the cutouts I think it may be hard to see all of the gauge from a normal riding position (at least for my 5' 7" self). What do you think? Do you know the diameter and depth of the gauges? I saw these gauges in the Overtons catalog (marine supply) at much higher prices ($55 for the clock). Thanks for any info. Eric '98 PC800 "Scarlett" Prince, Roger wrote: > > I just ordered the VDO voltmeter and clock from USI. After talking with the lady at USI I decided to not get the Cockpit series on P.16 but the Vision series on P.13. The prices are the same. Although my catalog doesn't show a clock for the Vision series it exists. The difference is in the backlighting. The Vision is made with better backlighting and includes red and green diffusers. When I said it's too bad they don't have blue diffusers she said they do and she would throw them in at no charge. The only bad part is the voltmeter is on backorder and won't be in for 3 weeks. > > Vision Series Voltmeter 332-103 $25.55 > Clock 371-52 $41.65 > > Roger Prince > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Adding Oil Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:19:06 +0200 -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Steven R. Zweigart >Methinks that my month-old PC wants a little oil added to its diet. The oil >on the dipstick comes to slightly below the crosshatches on the dipstick > In the crosshatches is good, below is bad. Like the temp.meter, if it's not in the red, it's in the normal operating temperature range. >when measured in the manner stated in the manual. Also, shifting is >becoming a bit "sloppy" with an occasional "hangup" sometimes. > I think it's pretty normal for the PC to miss a gear sometimes, that's what I read in tests also. If you don't try to shift too fast it won't happen. >Is it OK just to top off the oil with a standard 10W 30 as recommended in >the book without knowing what kind of oil was put in the cycle before I got >it? (I got it immediately after its 600 mile service.) > I only know somethings about oil in airplanes. Small planes use mineral oil for breaking in the engine, after 25 or 50 hours they use synthetic. What I've been told is you can mix mineral oil with mineral oil and synthetic with other synthetic oil, but not mineral with synthetic. I would call the maintenance shop to find out what they've put in and ask for their advise on what to put in. ___ [_ mile Nossin '90 PC800 "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Holland, Santpoort 'Never look back upon your live and say: " I should have done that....."' http://www.angelfire.com/nh/Nossin ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DM39JPHA; Tue, 01 Sep 1998 16:06:57 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: METZ TIRES - REAL HONKERS From: annreid@juno.com (ann s reid) Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 16:06:57 EDT May be repeated info for some. Fast forward now to avoid. 1) METZLERS: I put my 3rd set on about 1,000 miles ago. Love 'em. Ride behind the tallest Rifle available with shorty helmet and Bolle Rx goggles; never been bothered by noise (unless it's small screaming children. *KILL*). Before I bought my first set, I called the Metzler rep who told me to inflate to 49psi (as noted on the tire) when loaded and never go less than about 45psi. I've been faithful to that advice and always run near 47-49psi. I get about 14,500 miles out of a set. Change both out together even if one is more worn. Usually have another 2-3K tread left at change out .... 'cause I'm not greedy and think I'm worth it. Besides I like the way she feels and handles when wearing good shoes. 2) HORNED BIKES: At Thunder Across the River in Laughlin, NV, last April, the local Police rode mtn. BICYCLES equipped with siren-horns and blue lights. I saw them pull over (and physically arrest) both motorcyclists and cars with their bicycles and special horns. Those guys were in great shape. *DROOL* They could really sprint and surround a vehicle in a flash. It was a wild and wonderful spectator sport .... from where I stood. Now that's THE Horn I really want! Talk about instant respect and recognition. Alas, I'll just have to settle for one the ordinary peasant blasters. *SIGH* Ann '89 PC Binkini Ghost ... still. *WHIMPER* At least she doesn't require ironing like some of us when over-exposed. *WINK* Tue. 9.1.98 12:50 MST _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:30:56 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: PC800: Todd Z update... and Bryce, where are you? Hello, This message is only partially off topic. I have recently found myself in an interesting position. My employer has given me the opportunity to do something else (anything else actually, as long as it's not with them) So...... I am an IT director that can make an NT network hum. I am NOT a programmer (not that there's anything wrong with that)...... I currently live in Chicago but I'm not opposed to moving. If any of you know of something that might be interesting, I'd love to hear about it. Also, Bryce, you asked if I would like to spend some of the Fall riding with you.... well, ummm, sure ..... Give me a call...... 773-235-0933 Thanks, TZ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "Emile Nossin" Cc: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: Adding Oil Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:56:31 -0400 Thanks for your informative reply. In your message, you said: << To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:32:07 -0400 To: "PC800 Mailing List" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Adding Oil Cc: "PC800 Mailing List" >I think my PC actually was a little overfilled with oil (just very slightly) >when I got it. I'm a bit surprised that it's looking a bit low now. Do >PC's have a tendency to use a little oil? My old Yamaha Riva never used a >drop the whole 8 years that I had it. > >Steve Zweigart > I have about 8,000 miles on my PC, and it has never required adding oil bewteen oil changes, and I tend to drive a bit on the aggressive side. Maybe when you checked the oil level, you hadn't waited long enough for all of the oil to seep back into the oil pan? Another thing is that my PC800 had 462 miles on it when I bought it, so maybe the initial oil burning stage had already come and gone before I bought it? I would be curious to hear if anyone on this list regularly burns a noticable amount of oil in their PC800's. fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Peter_N1@verifone.com To: Emile@Cybercomm.nl, des1@ntr.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Adding Oil Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:49:40 -0700 Steven, If the oil level is in the "X's" zone, it is O.K. When I brought my '96 in for the 4k service, the tech said that my oil level was about a cup below the bottom of the "X's" zone. I had not checked the level myself after the 600 mile service, so if it WAS full then, it would appear that it burned a little over a quart in 3400 miles. I never noticed any external signs of oil consumption (no blue smoke or puddles under the bike), so I will have to keep an eye on it. I receintly drained out 7oz of oil and replaced it with the same amount of "Prolong" engine additive. After using it in my car and noticing a sizeable difference in the temperture gage reading, which would indicate friction caused heat gain, I thought I would try a proportioned amount in the PC. So far, so good. I notice the PC runs a little cooler, but not much and have not noticed any clutch slippage. This stuff doesn't contain any particulate matter (teflon, graphite, etc.) that would end up getting caught in the filter. This is one of those "infomercial" advertized products that has finally hit the retail market. In the infomercial, they run motorcycles and race cars around a track with no oil in the crankcase after "treating" them with this additive. Time will tell if it does extend engine life by reducing friction. Peter Noeth, KE6ZJA, '96 w/6.8k and loving every minuite! Steven writes: > Thanks for your informative reply. In your message, you said: > > << not > in the red, it's in the normal operating temperature range. > > I'm going to look in the manual when I get home, but about the bottom 3/4 > inch or so of my "dipstick" is a series of X's. Are you saying that oil > anywhere in this zone, i.e. from the bottom of the stick to the top of the > X's, is sufficient oil? > > I think my PC actually was a little overfilled with oil (just very slightly) > when I got it. I'm a bit surprised that it's looking a bit low now. Do > PC's have a tendency to use a little oil? My old Yamaha Riva never used a > drop the whole 8 years that I had it. > > Steve Zweigart > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: brian.hopkins@L3.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Adding Oil Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:00:30 -0600 Nope. My '89 never used any (12k to 18k miles I used it during) And my '97 I've owned since new. (3k on it now, and changed at 500, 1500 and 3000 and now to synthetic. :-) ) In fact, no Honda I've ever owned has used oil. Brian D. Hopkins Denver Colorado '97 PC800 '96 VFR '95 Dodge Ram 2500HD >I think my PC actually was a little overfilled with oil (just very slightly) >when I got it. I'm a bit surprised that it's looking a bit low now. Do >PC's have a tendency to use a little oil? My old Yamaha Riva never used a >drop the whole 8 years that I had it. > >Steve Zweigart > I have about 8,000 miles on my PC, and it has never required adding oil bewteen oil changes, and I tend to drive a bit on the aggressive side. Maybe when you checked the oil level, you hadn't waited long enough for all of the oil to seep back into the oil pan? Another thing is that my PC800 had 462 miles on it when I bought it, so maybe the initial oil burning stage had already come and gone before I bought it? I would be curious to hear if anyone on this list regularly burns a noticable amount of oil in their PC800's. fsl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rocheux@juno.com by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DM4GRRBM; Tue, 01 Sep 1998 18:13:08 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:10:09 -0400 Subject: PC800: thanks Thanks everyone. I ended up getting the K555 for $79.45+ frt of $ 10 at Donelson Cycles in St Ann MO via mail order. They are at 1-800-325-4144. Rocky _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Adding Oil From: Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org (Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council) Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 15:25:34 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 Mailing List) On Tue, Sep 1, 1998, 8:56:31 PM GMT Steven R. Zweigart wrote: >Do >PC's have a tendency to use a little oil? My 4-month old '97 (10,000 miles) doesn't seem to use any oil. I take out the same amount I put in. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if the engine tends to use a little oil during break-in as the rings haven't fully seated themselves yet. I'd only worry if it continues to use oil after the 600-mile break-in period. Greg Torok -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rocheux@juno.com by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DM4HE3RD; Tue, 01 Sep 1998 18:24:47 EDT To: BernieK469@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:12:58 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Asking again The man in MO who sold me the K555 sez the K177 is being phased out in favor of the 555. Rocky _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rocheux@juno.com by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DM4HE3V8; Tue, 01 Sep 1998 18:24:47 EDT To: des1@ntr.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:17:17 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Adding Oil You really need to check oil exactly as they state in the book or it will be measuring off the wall. Run a cold motor a few '3) mins, shut if off a few mins and measure the oil. Rocky On Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:43:32 -0400 "Steven R. Zweigart" writes: >Methinks that my month-old PC wants a little oil added to its diet. >The oil >on the dipstick comes to slightly below the crosshatches on the >dipstick _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rocheux@juno.com by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DM4HJJFQ; Tue, 01 Sep 1998 18:26:40 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:23:42 -0400 Subject: PC800: Rear Tire it was. Egads I forgot to say it was the rear tire. Rocky--------- Begin forwarded message ---------- Thanks everyone. I ended up getting the K555 for $79.45+ frt of $ 10 at Donelson Cycles in St Ann MO via mail order. They are at 1-800-325-4144. Rocky ___________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Chuck Chiodini" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Proud of my "Scooter" Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 15:50:50 PDT Fellow listers: Now wait a minute here! First some of you bad mouthed poor Monica and now, someone has sullied the name of my "Scooter"! As Clint Eastwood said "It doesn't bother me, but my mule, well...he took offense". In order to defend her honor (my Scooter not Monica), here is my reply on her mighty fine name that I sent to the offending party: * Please note, the above comment is all "tongue in cheek" (pardon the pun), the following is serious business. How my Scooter got her name: Quite a few of my riding buddies mount Harleys. Many bikers, to include Harley guys and gals, call their rides scoots or scooters. I'm just trying to go with the flow...NOT! The main reason I named her Scooter is because she has brought back the pure joy and essence of riding on two wheels, just like my very first street legal ride (and I rode her illegally at 13 years old) which was a 1959 Peugeot scooter. It also had a trunk, but it was on the front of the bike! I have owned many bikes over the years but my PC is just so darned fun and trouble free, she just takes me back to a time when the best thing in the world was to sneak out of Sunday services early, ride my scooter up the coast just to feel the wind in my face and the highway going by. So the name is a tribute to that feeling that got me started on motorcycling. Besides, when people ask me if my ride is a scooter or what, I can honestly say "yeah, she's a "Scooter" all right, lets go on a putt!" (and I'm talking a few hundred miles!) Ha! I'm considering a vanity plate "Scootn". What do ya think? Chuck Chiodini 89 PC800 "Scooter" (and PROUD of it!) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Philips Wong" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Need Magna Red color sample - URGENT Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 16:07:31 PDT Hi listers, Talked to the paint guy yesterday, and he found that he lost the Magna Red color sample! Without the sample he just can't match the color. If anyone of you listers have scratched (touch wood) or unused body pieces in this color, please send it to me as a color sample. I'll pay for the postage, if you want it back, I'll send it back to you too. I'M flying to Taiwan for 4 days by now, and returning to HK this weekend evening. I'll check with my dealer to see if I able to find body pcs. in this color from other bikes - they don't carry PCs. Sorry lister, this message is prepared in a rush, but please help! Bye for now!! - Philips Wong Constable, Hong Kong Auxiliary Police (riding officer of course) Colonial Special Constabulary Medal - 1997 GWRRA # 101177, Wing & PC rider 1984 Aspencade, 1995 SE Candy Red, 1990 PC800 Candy Red Vice chairman, Safe Rider (HK) Association The lizard guy - breeder and proud owner of 30 Chinese Water Dragons ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Cory" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: CA emissions Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:18:48 -0400 Peter answered: >> >Cory, there is no "cylinder" in the neck of the gas tank filler in the >California model. You can overfill the tank to your hearts content. > It sure is a bunch harder to top off my '90 than it was my '89. There is some kind of neck in there that my '89 didn't have. Since Dana originally got this one directly from American Honda I wondered if perhaps it was a CA model or something. Thanx for the come back, Cory -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Peter_N1@verifone.com To: Peter_N1@verifone.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@cybrtown.com Subject: RE: PC800: CA emissions Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:34:48 -0700 Corry, Well there is a metal "finger" toward the bottom of the neck. When the gas gets to that level you are supposed to stop filling. This is to allow room for expansion of the gas on hot days to help prevent the gas from going into the vapor recovery hose in the gas cap, and then into the charcoal filter. If this happens, the bike will flood and will be difficult to start, as it sucks the fumes from the charcoal filter into the carbs to purge the canister. I have always filled the tank to within about an inch of the top of the filler neck, and even in the 110 degree heat in Sacramento CA that I have now to endure (because my company relocated us engineers from the Bay Area to the office here), I have had no problems. I agree that the "finger" makes it hard to get the nozzle into the tank, and somewhat interferes with the smooth delivery of fuel from the nozzle. Also the "finger" is extremely hard to see, so I ignore it. I suppose you could jam the nozzle down to the finger and rely on the "auto shutoff" function of the nozzle, and when it stops, call it done. Peter Noeth, KE6ZJA, '96 w/6.8k and loving every minuite! > ---------- > From: Cory[SMTP:hsta@cybrtown.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 6:18 PM > To: Peter_N1@verifone.com; pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: PC800: CA emissions > > Peter answered: > >> > >Cory, there is no "cylinder" in the neck of the gas tank filler in the > >California model. You can overfill the tank to your hearts content. > > > > It sure is a bunch harder to top off my '90 than it was my '89. There is > some kind of neck in there that my '89 didn't have. > > Since Dana originally got this one directly from American Honda I wondered > if perhaps it was a CA model or something. > > Thanx for the come back, > > Cory > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'Eric Prior'" Cc: PC800 Listserver Subject: RE: PC800: VDO Gauges Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:36:37 -0400 I hope you got the Vision series. She said the cockpit series didn't work as well with a diffuser. Address: http://speedometershop.com/ 1-800-854-4798, 1-800-877-4798 United Speedometer. Roger Prince > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Prior [SMTP:eric_prior@appsig.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 3:04 PM > To: Prince, Roger > Cc: PC800 Listserver > Subject: Re: PC800: VDO Gauges > > Hi Roger, > > I've been thinking about getting exactly the same items. Do you have > an 800 number or WWW address for USI? I think the place to mount these > is in the inside upper corners of the speaker cutouts on the dash. If > they are centered in the cutouts I think it may be hard to see all of > the gauge from a normal riding position (at least for my 5' 7" self). > What do you think? Do you know the diameter and depth of the gauges? I > saw these gauges in the Overtons catalog (marine supply) at much higher > prices ($55 for the clock). Thanks for any info. > > Eric > '98 PC800 "Scarlett" > > > Prince, Roger wrote: > > > > I just ordered the VDO voltmeter and clock from USI. After talking with the lady at USI I decided to not get the Cockpit series on P.16 but the Vision series on P.13. The prices are the same. Although my catalog doesn't show a clock for the Vision series it exists. The difference is in the backlighting. The Vision is made with better backlighting and includes red and green diffusers. When I said it's too bad they don't have blue diffusers she said they do and she would throw them in at no charge. The only bad part is the voltmeter is on backorder and won't be in for 3 weeks. > > > > Vision Series Voltmeter 332-103 $25.55 > > Clock 371-52 $41.65 > > > > Roger Prince > > > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Peter_N1@verifone.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Have pictures of Clock/thermometer Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:43:18 -0700 Coasters, I have the pictures of the Brookstone Analog Clock and Thermometer, but I don't have a web page to display them on. Since there is an objection to general attachments, how can I get them into the PC800 web page? I also have a picture of the "Parking Disk" I made that I use under the kickstand to prevent sinking into the hot asphalt, or when having to park on gravel/sandy places. It is a 5" disk cut from 3/8" polycarbate plastic that has a bead chain with a small wooden ball at one end attached to it to retrieve it when leaving the parking place. Thought others may be interested in this. It fits pretty easily in the pockets of my riding jackets (a WWII style bomber jacket in winter, Levi's jeans jacket in really hot weather). Peter Noeth, KE6ZJA, '96 w/6.8k and loving every minuite! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) 2 Sep 1998 02:13:40 +0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 19:09:46 -0500 From: Mike & Cindy Ver Velde Subject: Re: PC800: Found source of rearend whine To: John Scalisi , PC800 Mailing List Hear Ye! Hear Ye! Refer to the new Oct 98 Rider magazine, pg 78, you can ask for a FREE 20 page full color brochure on Metzler Tires. Supposely covers everything you want to know. Who wants to be the first one on this list to get your hands on this gem and be the Official Metzler Guru? All will bow before you then... Mike V >The tire pressures on the label in the trunk are for the original >equipment Dunlop tires, K555's or K177's. I've only had the Metzelers >on my 90 PC800 since I bought it last year. I ran 33 psi in the front >all the time. I was running about 35 in the rear when riding solo and >upped it to about 41 when riding two up with gear. But when I >recently replaced the rear tire (with Metzeler again) I picked up a >Metzeler brouchure. It had detail listings by bike of tire pressures. > I don't have it in front of me but as I recall the front tire should >be at 35psi and the rear at about 40 or 41. Then in the back of the >brochure there was a table by tire of more detailed pressures by load >carried. For example, at maximum load the rear can have up to 49psi. >If you have Metzelers on your PC800 it makes for good reading as the >label in the trunk doesn't apply if you've switched to Metzelers. > > > > >---"Steven R. Zweigart" wrote: >> >> <<the norm >> for >> those on this list? >> >> So far, I've used 33psi in both front and rear, and have liked the >ride that >> way. Just this morning, a Goldwinger friend of mine suggested that >I try >> upping the pressure in the rear a bit from what is recommended. Of >course, >> he weighs considerably more than I do, but I'll probably try it for >> comparison. I have not yet noticed any whine's or anythng, however. >> >> Steve Zweigart >> >> -- >> Visit the PC800 web page at >> To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body >of a >> message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >> To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >> > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) 2 Sep 1998 02:18:00 +0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 19:14:11 -0500 From: Mike & Cindy Ver Velde Subject: Re: PC800: It must be the concrete.... To: Emile Nossin , PC800 Emile- maybe you should try putting your head down near the front tire while maintaining a speed of 45 mph. might help. Mike >So, while riding to work on the freeway I laid my head on the (fake) gas tank, >I put it on the dashboard (simulating a 6' Rifle), all without ear-plugs and with >an open visor. I did everthing I could think of to try and hear the 'noise' of my >Metzlers. But everything I could hear was the faint roar of the engine and the >distant buldering of the wind, no tires. In fact I couldn't hear them at slow speed >either, just the gear/shaft-drive whine and the engine. >It must be the concrete, guys. I can't think of anything else. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 22:57:09 EDT To: ROBJHALL@aol.com, Emile@Cybercomm.nl Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: RE: Noise Rob- I find it just a touch difficult to believe that you actually suffered a measurable amount of hearing loss due to your "deafening" Metzler tire. Shucks- I could never even hear mine! Try getting into the double digits with your tire pressure and I would amagine that they would quiet down just fine. Russ Vernon '95 PC Sambo -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 22:57:12 EDT To: brian.hopkins@L3.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Adding Oil To all- I have used Moby 1 15w-50 for most of my PC's 53+K and it is always still on the full mark at the 5K change time. Russ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 22:57:06 EDT To: ROBJHALL@aol.com, Emile@Cybercomm.nl Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: RE: Noise Rob- I find it just a touch difficult to believe that you actually suffered a measurable amount of hearing loss due to your "deafening" Metzler tire. Shucks- I could never even hear mine! Try getting into the double digits with your tire pressure and I would amagine that they would quiet down just fine. Russ Vernon '95 PC Sambo -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 22:57:10 EDT To: des1@ntr.net, jgoula@ims.uaf.edu Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Tire life extender Steve- You in Kentucky? Good, as I have a question for you: If two people get married in Kentucky, and then move to another state and later get divorced, will they still be brother and sister? Russ Vernon '95 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 22:28:52 -0500 From: Jeffrey King To: PC800 List Subject: PC800: Signing off Hey fellow Coasters, This 60 messages/day thing is getting too time consuming, not to mention clogging up my mail. Guess I'll just download the archive once a month and keep up on things. I'll still be around though. Enjoy, and keep the rubber (no matter what kind you have) on the road, the tupperwear towards the sky, and may the wind be always at your back (that's always the case with the tall shields!). Later all! -- Jeff (K5ING) in southwest suburban Krum, USA '94 Honda PC800 (The Batcycle) '78 Suzuki GS400 (Buzzy) '61 Olds Super 88 (Moby Dick) ==================================================================== Jeffrey W. King (K5ING) Krum, TX. USA 940.482.3446 (home) 972.597.1021 (pager) ==================================================================== http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/1919 ==================================================================== -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) Tue, 1 Sep 1998 23:30:32 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 23:16:20 -0500 From: jgeistlubtx@door.net (geist, james) To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" , Jgeistlubtx@door.net Subject: PC800: Golden Aspen Rally Hi Listers. It's almost time for the annual Golden Aspen Rally in Ruidoso, NM. It starts Sept. 16 and runs through the 20th. I don't know of any PC listers in West Tx. or New Mexico, but if anyone out there is planning on attending, let me know. Going to be lot's of fun. You can find out more here: http://www.motorcyclerally.com/garapage.html Talk to ya'll later. James Lubbock, Tx. '90 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 05:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 05:39:15 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: CA emissions In a message dated 9/1/1998 20:19:03 PM Central Daylight Time, Cory writes: << It sure is a bunch harder to top off my '90 than it was my '89. There is some kind of neck in there that my '89 didn't have. >> Hmmmm? Diane's '90 is exactly the same as my '89 filler-neck-wise. Dana must have put something wierd in there and forgot to take it out. :) J.T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: FW: PC800: Tire pressure Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 06:34:52 -0400 Peter Noeth writes: >Thanks for the reply. It will be interesting to see what the concensius is. I run maximum (33/41 for Dunlops) pressure all the time. I weigh about 200 lbs and most riding is done one-up on twisty mountain roads - very little Interstate riding. Been through one set of K177s - front one lasted 12,500. The rear is still in use at 15,500 - I'll need a new one soon though. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'Spain, Harrison'" Cc: "'PC800 List'" Subject: RE: PC800: Choke cable Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 06:35:02 -0400 Mine was broken when I bought the bike (used). I was able to fix it with a small hose clamp. Still working after 23K miles. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Spain, Harrison [SMTP:spain@ugsolutions.com] Sent: Monday, August 31, 1998 16:29 To: 'pc800@hpc.uh.edu' Subject: PC800: Choke cable Looks like I busted my choke cable :-). The cable itself is OK, but the plastic that holds it in place at the top is broken. When you try to engage the choke (pull it up), the cable assembly just kinda pulls up without enagaging the choke. Any suggestions? Harrison -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ROBJHALL@aol.com Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 08:09:37 EDT To: fsl@borgconsulting.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Adding Oil Coasters: My soon to be retired 89 never used a drop of oil. I usually replaced the filter every 6,000 and the oil every 3000 miles. Never had to top it off and it has 43,000 miles on it. I also used either a 10/40 or 20/50 grade Rob 89 PC 43,000 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: slwcpa@ix.netcom.com by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA00356 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 07:55:18 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 07:55:18 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: For Sale The following items are for sale - 1) DOWCO Cover (Guardian ?) - Black with aluminized panels, cloth lining for windshield. Fits PC800 perfectly. Only used in home garage - excellent condition. $25 2) Maxon 49-HX communicator and intercom w/ extra headset for passenger. I have two complete sets (two transcievers - 49HX and two extra headsets - 49HXH). Only slightly used. Both for $40. 3) Honda oil filter for PC800 - $3 (only if purchased with another item else shipping to high) 4) Honda Service Manual for 1989-1995 PC800 Brand New Condition $25 I will pay UPS ground shipping to the 48 states. Please E-mail direct to Steven Weinerman at slwcpa@ix.netcom.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JLicari721@aol.com for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:09:45 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: PC800- For Sale 1996 PC w/under 1000 miles Sony CD player Infinity speakers Utopia Backrest for Passenger Clearview windscreen Garaged and perfect $6,200 or best -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: brian.hopkins@L3.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Choke cable Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 07:31:49 -0600 My '89 did the same thing. I didn't want to deal with it and just had the dealer install a new one when they were doing a tune up. If I remember correctly around 18k miles on the '89 last year. Hope this helps Brian D. Hopkins Denver Colorado '97 PC800 '96 VFR '95 Dodge Ram 2500HD Looks like I busted my choke cable :-). The cable itself is OK, but the plastic that holds it in place at the top is broken. When you try to engage the choke (pull it up), the cable assembly just kinda pulls up without enagaging the choke. Any suggestions? Harrison -- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: Cc: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: Filling the Gas Tank Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:49:36 -0400 My impression is that the tank is designed so that you can fully insert the nozzle into the filler hole and it will rest on the "finger" sticking across the bottom. This allows the automatic shutoff on the nozzle to work. (I never really trust those things, though, and always fill on the slowest setting and watch just in case.) Due to the inconsistency of the shutoff mechanisms, it seems logical that the manufacturers of gas tanks will allow extra space to allow for late shutoff. This would explain the seemingly extreme depth of the "cylinder." It makes me wonder, based on the frequency of required fillups, if the volume of the gas tank of, I believe, 4.5 gallons includes the air space created by the filler tube, substantially reducing the actual working volume of the tank. Steve Zweigart -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:21:18 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: RE: Oil ritual I have followed a ritual regarding oil changes with every new bike and car in the family. I really don't know if it has had any affect on the longevity or pre-formance of the machines, but here it is. 1. Change the oil and oil filter @ 500 miles using petroleum oil. 2. Change the oil and oil filter @ 2,000 miles using petroleum oil. (At this time I also change the rear end fluid.) 3. Change the oil and oil filter @ 5,000 and 8,000 miles using a 50/50 blend of petroleum and synthetic oil. 4. At 11,000 I switch to a straight diet of Mobil One. I change the rear end fluid again. For what it is worth Bernie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'pc800 list'" Subject: PC800: Oil Consumrtion Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:50:06 -0400 The two '90 models I owned both started using oil very early. About 1/2 quart per 1500 miles on hard trips. Never got better or worse. Always used synthetic/blends after 3000 miles. After 35K+ the '95 has never used enough oil to notice on the dipstick, basically the same environment. Unless the dipstick is dry I wouldn't be too hasty to add oil. The PC oil level is very sensitive to the tilt of the surface. The pitch of my garage floor will make a difference in the reading heading in or out. Roger -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "Prince, Roger" Cc: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: Filling the Gas Tank Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:34:30 -0400 << To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'Steven R. Zweigart'" Cc: PC800 Mailing List Subject: RE: PC800: Filling the Gas Tank Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:44:04 -0400 Based on how much fuel transferred from the pump to the tank after running out and coasting up to the pump. > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven R. Zweigart [SMTP:des1@ntr.net] > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 2:35 PM > To: Prince, Roger > Cc: PC800 Mailing List > Subject: Re: PC800: Filling the Gas Tank > > << > Ok, you've piqued my curiosity! So just how did you figure this out with > such unsurpassed precision? > > Steve Zweigart -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Filling the Gas Tank Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:27:38 +0200 >extra space to allow for late shutoff. This would explain the seemingly >extreme depth of the "cylinder." > I would think it is explained by the fact that the tank is situated below the seat. Sounds logical, doesn't it ? YMMV ___ [_ mile Nossin '90 PC800 "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Holland, Santpoort 'Never look back upon your live and say: " I should have done that....."' http://www.angelfire.com/nh/Nossin ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: RE: Oil ritual Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:30:57 +0200 -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: BernieK469@aol.com Datum: woensdag 2 september 1998 16:44 >I have followed a ritual regarding oil changes with every new bike and car in >the family. I really don't know if it has had any affect on the longevity or >pre-formance of the machines, but here it is. > Then why use that ritual, if you haven't got a clue if it's good or bad ? ___ [_ mile Nossin '90 PC800 "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Holland, Santpoort 'Never look back upon your live and say: " I should have done that....."' http://www.angelfire.com/nh/Nossin ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Wed, 02 Sep 1998 16:24:38 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael D. Linkous" To: "Pacific Coast" Subject: PC800: worn battery cable Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:27:37 -0400 My new 97 (now with 850 miles) has a worn battery cable (on the negative side). I was cruising around a state park today and took a break. Opened the trunk to get my bottle of water and noticed a bare place on my cable. Strange I would have noticed. I usually open the trunk from the left side after I put it on the center stand. For some reason I opened it from the right and it stuck out like a sore thumb. It was rubbing on the hinge on the trunk lid and was beginning to cut into the cable as the hinge passed by it. On the way home, I passed the dealer, so I decided to stop at the service dept. He said that the cable should have been hooked up on the side (facing the front of the bike). Mine was hooked up facing the side of the bike, thus causing the rubbing. He taped it up for me and repositioned the cable. He said he would check with Honda to see if this would be covered. I told him that it better be... that a new bike with <1000 miles should not be costing me ONE cent when it comes to repairs. If the insulation was a little worn, it would not have bothereed me, but it was actually cutting the copper wires, so I feel it needs to be replaced... There is the story.... now I have 2 questions: 1-- Has anyone had this to happen? 2-- Does your dealer have to check on *every* little thing with Honda for warranty repair? It seems that this dude cant do anything without *checking with honda*. ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- Michael D. Linkous Bluefield, WV www.angelfire.com/wv/mlink/index.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "Michael D. Linkous" Cc: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: worn battery cable Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:17:18 -0400 Hmmmm... Interesting problem witn the brake cable. I'm on the way out the door right now, and intend to take a look-see as soon as I open the trunk to put in my goodies. Regarding the dealer, I've heard nothing but generally pessimistic remarks about Honda dealers on this mailing list. Are they all really that bad? I'm not overly enamoured with the dealer from which I bought my PC, but I don't ever intend to see him again anyway, but rather go to the local dealer, who didn't have any PC's in stock when my money was trying to leap out of my pocket. So far, I've found him to be great, even though I didn't buy the bike from him. Though I haven't needed any service yet, his policy is to make an appointment, and most service is performed while you wait, if you like, so you don't have to worry about a chauffeur. I guess I'll be finding out for sure in about 1200 miles when I take it in for the 4000 mile checkup. Steve Zweigart -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Wed, 02 Sep 1998 18:56:12 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael D. Linkous" To: "Steven R. Zweigart" Cc: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: worn battery cable Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:59:15 -0400 may have been a typo... it was the negative battery cable rubbing on the trunk hinge... not a brake cable. -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Steven R. Zweigart To: Michael D. Linkous Cc: PC800 Mailing List Date: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 5:17 PM Subject: Re: PC800: worn battery cable >Hmmmm... > >Interesting problem witn the brake cable. I'm on the way out the door right >now, and intend to take a look-see as soon as I open the trunk to put in my >goodies. > >Regarding the dealer, I've heard nothing but generally pessimistic remarks >about Honda dealers on this mailing list. Are they all really that bad? >I'm not overly enamoured with the dealer from which I bought my PC, but I >don't ever intend to see him again anyway, but rather go to the local >dealer, who didn't have any PC's in stock when my money was trying to leap >out of my pocket. So far, I've found him to be great, even though I didn't >buy the bike from him. Though I haven't needed any service yet, his policy >is to make an appointment, and most service is performed while you wait, if >you like, so you don't have to worry about a chauffeur. I guess I'll be >finding out for sure in about 1200 miles when I take it in for the 4000 mile >checkup. > >Steve Zweigart > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 18:05:40 -0500 To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" From: Dave Ganheart Subject: Re: PC800: Choke cable > At 01:28 PM 8/31/98 -0700, Spain, Harrison wrote: >Looks like I busted my choke cable :-). The cable itself is OK, but the >plastic that holds it in place at the top is broken. When you try to engage >the choke (pull it up), the cable assembly just kinda pulls up without >enagaging the choke. > >Any suggestions? > >Harrison >-- I have the same problem. I think some kids busted mine. One dealer said they could fix it and another said it would have to be replaced. I ordered a new one. It will be installed this week. Dave Ganheart Administration and Technology BLACK COLLEGIAN, Services, Inc. 140 Carondelet Street, NOLA 70130 (504) 523-0154 x230, (504) 523-0271 fax dave@black-collegiate.com http://www.black-collegian.com "Received #1 rating , Lycos Career Sites" http://www.minorities-jb.com "Where you will find valuable resources" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ROBJHALL@aol.com Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:20:06 EDT To: RVPC800@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: RE: Noise Russ: In a message dated 98-09-01 22:57:06 EDT, you write: << I find it just a touch difficult to believe that you actually suffered a measurable amount of hearing loss due to your "deafening" Metzler tire. Shucks- I could never even hear mine! Try getting into the double digits with your tire pressure and I would amagine that they would quiet down just fine. >> I think my problem was the Metzler on the back and the Dunlop on the front. The noise was unbelievable! Eventually we discovered the rear tire had "cupped" significantly. Even at low speeds (less that 10mph) you could hear and feel it. especially in corners or leaning. I took the Metzler off w/only 6000 miles and put the Dunlop back on. By the way someone else on the list had mentioned that "new tire feel". I never noticed that difference when I put on the Metzler. Something should have clued me in right away. I'll stick w/ Dunlop when I get my new PC! Rob 89 PC 43,000 and fading fast -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ROBJHALL@aol.com 2 Sep 1998 18:21:35 -0500 (CDT) id SNCGa27970; Wed, 02 Sep 1998 19:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 19:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: PC800: RE: Noise To: RVPC800@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Russ: In a message dated 98-09-01 22:57:06 EDT, you write: << I find it just a touch difficult to believe that you actually suffered a measurable amount of hearing loss due to your "deafening" Metzler tire. Shucks- I could never even hear mine! Try getting into the double digits with your tire pressure and I would amagine that they would quiet down just fine. >> I think my problem was the Metzler on the back and the Dunlop on the front. The noise was unbelievable! Eventually we discovered the rear tire had "cupped" significantly. Even at low speeds (less that 10mph) you could hear and feel it. especially in corners or leaning. I took the Metzler off w/only 6000 miles and put the Dunlop back on. By the way someone else on the list had mentioned that "new tire feel". I never noticed that difference when I put on the Metzler. Something should have clued me in right away. I'll stick w/ Dunlop when I get my new PC! Rob 89 PC 43,000 and fading fast -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: RE: Oil ritual of "Wed, 02 Sep 1998 10:21:18 EDT." <83f48c3d.35ed545e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 18:12:18 -0500 BernieK469@aol.com writes: > I have followed a ritual regarding oil changes with every new bike and car in > the family. I really don't know if it has had any affect on the longevity or > pre-formance of the machines, but here it is. > > 1. Change the oil and oil filter @ 500 miles using petroleum oil. > > 2. Change the oil and oil filter @ 2,000 miles using petroleum oil. > (At this time I also change the rear end fluid.) > > 3. Change the oil and oil filter @ 5,000 and 8,000 miles using a 50/50 blend > of petroleum and synthetic oil. > > 4. At 11,000 I switch to a straight diet of Mobil One. I change the rear en > d fluid again. My Oil Ritual: 0: Always change both oil and filter 1: First change is whenever the manufacture says. Fill with appropriate grade of Mobil-1. 2: On vehicles which see more than 10k per year, change the oil and filter every time the odometer rolls over a multiple of 5k. 3: The lesser driven Porsche gets its oil changed every year because that's what Porsche says to do (15k or 12 months). It gets 9 quarts. 4: Transmissions and differentials get Redline every 30k. Motorcycles get Mobil-1 hypoid gear oil in their gear case. My PC takes more oil (4.2 quarts) than my daily driver Infiniti G20 takes (3.5 quarts). The Porsche 928S beats them all. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "The Broeking's" To: "Michael D. Linkous" , "Pacific Coast" Subject: Re: PC800: worn battery cable - Yes it has happened.... Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:29:33 -0400 Yes, I had the very same thing happen to my 98 which I described in a post within the last month. During the 600 mile service I had a new one out on correctly from the side. My cable was slices by about 1/6th when I first noticed it. After the fix, it is of course fine. No charge by the dealer obviously. He should have replaced the cable although I had to order my in advance of my service to ensure it was there... taping is not the answer. Bob -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Michael D. Linkous To: Pacific Coast Date: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 7:24 PM Subject: PC800: worn battery cable >My new 97 (now with 850 miles) has a worn battery cable (on the negative >side). I was cruising around a state park today and took a break. Opened >the trunk to get my bottle of water and noticed a bare place on my cable. >Strange I would have noticed. I usually open the trunk from the left side >after I put it on the center stand. For some reason I opened it from the >right and it stuck out like a sore thumb. It was rubbing on the hinge on >the trunk lid and was beginning to cut into the cable as the hinge passed by >it. On the way home, I passed the dealer, so I decided to stop at the >service dept. > >He said that the cable should have been hooked up on the side (facing the >front of the bike). Mine was hooked up facing the side of the bike, thus >causing the rubbing. He taped it up for me and repositioned the cable. He >said he would check with Honda to see if this would be covered. I told him >that it better be... that a new bike with <1000 miles should not be costing >me ONE cent when it comes to repairs. If the insulation was a little worn, >it would not have bothereed me, but it was actually cutting the copper >wires, so I feel it needs to be replaced... > >There is the story.... now I have 2 questions: > >1-- Has anyone had this to happen? > >2-- Does your dealer have to check on *every* little thing with Honda for >warranty repair? It seems that this dude cant do anything without >*checking with honda*. > > >----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- >Michael D. Linkous >Bluefield, WV >www.angelfire.com/wv/mlink/index.html > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ROBJHALL@aol.com Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:00:41 EDT To: daniel@Snoopy.UCIS.Dal.Ca Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Database stuff and retirement The old girl has seen her better days. I've had a bunch of electrical problems in the past two years (35,000 miles +). This year it was the voltage regulator ...seems it was sending out 18 volts or so to the battery and devouring batteries every 6 mos. Now it seems that this problem has also taken out the starter which is now dead as a doornail. I understand the that replacing a starter on a PC is a major endeavor. More than I can afford or handle The local dealership (Raleigh, NC) has offered me a reasonable trade in price and have a 98 on order. However I jsts found out from someone else on the list that there are a couple of '96 PC's on the floor in Atlanta. The dealership originally told me that they couldn't find any. I've sent them on the hunt. Any body ever tried to buy a bike long distance???? Strategies and ideas are very welcome. Remember I want to trade in the 89 as part of the deal. Rob 89 PC and going fast PS I've got some pretty sketchy records and have been meaning to send them in. I will pull them together for you before the weekend. Probably good stuff to have since its a high mileage '89 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:11:41 EDT To: Emile@Cybercomm.nl, owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: PC800: RE: Oil ritual For the same reason many people go to church. It makes me feel better. Bernie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ROBJHALL@aol.com Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:00:42 EDT To: chiodinc@HOTMAIL.COM Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Why is it so hard to find a PC? Chuck In a message dated 98-09-02 14:23:12 EDT, you write: << The only Honda dealer in Fayetteville is terrible on parts and service but "might" be OK on selling new bikes. I do know that he wouldn't let me test ride a used bike (after I showed him that I had cash money!). He has a 97 St1100 on the flooor for $11,500 but no PC. Will be glad to go in and ask questions of him for you. Name of dealership is Meridian Honda phone number is (910) 867-7465. Chuck >> Sounds like its not the kind of folks I want to do business with although I must admit the folks in Raleigh aren't great either. I gave my sales rep a lead or two from the list and I'm going to see what they come up with. Originally they were very forthcoming about trying to track down an 96 or 97. It's now time to put their money where their mouth is or my money will be heading to someone else's mouth. I never knew it could be so hard to try to buy a $6,000 motorcycle! Rob 89 PC w/43000 and fading fast -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 20:23:33 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Sam Hutchison(that's Hutch--I--son, Dammit!!)" Subject: Re: PC800: Why is it so hard to find a PC? =20 > >Originally they were very forthcoming about trying to track down an 96 or= 97. >It's now time to put their money where their mouth is or my money will be >heading to someone else's mouth.=A0 I never knew it could be so hard to try= to >buy a $6,000 motorcycle!=A0=20 I talked to the dealer in Monroe LA , about ordering a PC about 6 weeks ago. No word at all since that time. I agree with your last sentence, above :-) Sam H. Ruston LA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'bikepilot@email.msn.com'" Cc: "'PC800 List'" Subject: PC800: RE: Salvage PC800 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:34:11 -0400 Dave, the first PC was 1989 - it was pearl white. The farings cannot = normally be found used since that's what normally get's broken in a = crash. Replacing all the plastic with new will probably cost $1500 - = $2000. IMHO, it's worth more as parts than as a restorable motorcyle.=20 There is a PC800 listserver and I'm copying the list with this note. = There may be someone out there with good body parts but needing = mechanical components. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dave Dotchin [SMTP:bikepilot@email.msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 22:05 To: Honda Sport Touring Association Subject: Salvage PC800 I have the opportunity to acquire a damaged PC800 for salvage value = ($800 US), but the complete front fender and brake covers and all of the = fairing except the rear is damaged, and the forks MAY be bent. The bike is an = 86/7 with 20,000 km. I need advice urgently - Can the fairings be acquired = used, or would I be pumping good money after bad? Current book value of undamaged bike in Canada is approximately $3400 US - Dave Dotchin, Regina, Canada. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: RE: Oil ritual of "Wed, 02 Sep 1998 19:09:37 PDT." <01BDD6A5.601E7A80@greg156.pcisys.net> Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 20:50:39 -0500 Brian Hopkins writes: > > My PC takes more oil (4.2 quarts) than my daily driver Infiniti G20 > takes (3.5 quarts). The Porsche 928S beats them all. > > Um. You're reading something wrong. The PC takes 3.4 US. Quarts with filter > change. > Might want to check that out. Brian, wish you'd define "> " as your quote string so your replies separate from the original text. 3.4 quarts, 4.3 quarts. Same difference. The bike still holds a lot of oil and the Infiniti relatively little. But maybe the cars are not so far out of line after all: Scaling things: PC800 800cc 3.4 quarts 4.25qts/1000cc Infiniti G20 2000cc 3.5 quarts 1.75qts/1000cc Porsche 928S 4700cc 9.0 quarts 1.91qts/1000cc -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (IPAD 2.07) id 5448400 ; Wed, 02 Sep 1998 22:52:00 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 22:51:56 -0400 From: Scot Piper To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Reflective Tape I just purchased some white reflective tape from K-Mart (no Rainman jokes please) for $2. I cut into various lengths (1" wide) and applied to my helmet. It makes a HUGE difference at night. My fellow riders cannot get over how much it illuminates. I did this for safety, and for the fact my jacket does not have a lot of reflective material on it. I have not heard of an easier and cheaper method of improving your visibility so much at night. (and it covered some scratches in my helmet)... Just a thought for those seeking more visibility. Scot '89 PC800 19,800 miles, 7600 in first year of ownership. changes in the first year: cut tall Honda shield down 2" purchased stock shield and cut down 5" purchased Hondaline passenger backrest installed new front tire, K-177 sync'd carbs replaced front fork seals and added Progressive springs added stick-on clock installed vista lock cruise control installed new battery (twice in 4 weeks, 1st one was bad) I've noticed my rear tire wearing significantly more than the front. Both have within 1000 miles of each other. Rear is disappointingly worn after 7600 miles. At this rate, I see 10-12k max. Was hoping for 15k. Front tire should make 15k if not more. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by PM06SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) 3 Sep 1998 03:33:05 +0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 20:29:14 -0500 From: Mike & Cindy Ver Velde Subject: Re: PC800: Reflective Tape To: scotp1965@mdn.net, PC800@hpc.uh.edu After reading Scotts message about seeking more visibility- It just occured to me that for those of us with the backrest, there is a nice big spot on the back of the backrest that could hold alot of reflective material... ummm, maybe cheaper that adding lights, as red reflective tape will certainly be visible that much higher above the rear lights... Mike V --Subject: PC800: Reflective Tape >I just purchased some white reflective tape from K-Mart (no Rainman >jokes please) for $2. I cut into various lengths (1" wide) and applied >to my helmet. It makes a HUGE difference at night. My fellow riders >cannot get over how much it illuminates. I did this for safety, and for >the fact my jacket does not have a lot of reflective material on it. I >have not heard of an easier and cheaper method of improving your >visibility so much at night. (and it covered some scratches in my >helmet)... Just a thought for those seeking more visibility. > >Scot >'89 PC800 >19,800 miles, 7600 in first year of ownership. >changes in the first year: >cut tall Honda shield down 2" >purchased stock shield and cut down 5" >purchased Hondaline passenger backrest >installed new front tire, K-177 >sync'd carbs >replaced front fork seals and added Progressive springs >added stick-on clock >installed vista lock cruise control >installed new battery (twice in 4 weeks, 1st one was bad) > >I've noticed my rear tire wearing significantly more than the front. >Both have within 1000 miles of each other. Rear is disappointingly worn >after 7600 miles. At this rate, I see 10-12k max. Was hoping for 15k. >Front tire should make 15k if not more. >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by PM05SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) 3 Sep 1998 03:49:52 +0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 20:46:01 -0500 From: Mike & Cindy Ver Velde Subject: PC800: A lovely morning To: PC800 email boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01BDD6B2.B2184660" This morning during the commute to the Bay area, rear tire took in a = nail. Was going about 70 mph in the far left lane. Felt the rear = suddenly wobble and slowly went for the shoulder and dirt. = Surprisingly, control was not that bad... Nail went into the thread, = and caused a tear on the side, so it was not repairable. Interestingly = enough, the flatbed truck guy rides an harley and was real nice and = helpful. Good thing, he knew where in that area I could go for a tire = replacement since I was not familiar with any dealerships in that area. = Oh, he told me some stories of motorcycle accidents he came to tow bikes = from- One crotch rocketeer with tank top, shorts, thongs took a wipe = out... The road rash along his arm, hip, leg was sooo bad. Literally had = to scrape him off. He says that many of the m/c accidents are crotch rockets, and amazed at = how many of those bikes he tows away has less than 500 miles on its = odometer. Brand new fools with overloaded testerone being stupid without = getting training first. Anyways, ended up at Honda of Hayward, and the only rear tire they had = for the PC was a metzler 140/90 (supposed to be 140/80 ML2 plus..) They = said it is a bit taller, and have put it on a few PC's with no problems = before- no complaints from the PC riders... I looked and there was = plenty of clearance all around, so not having any options, went for it. = (no dunlops that fit were available either). The tire is more rounder, = and I felt a difference in handling. felt like it "rolls" with ease. = Dont know if Im halluciating, or if its just a new tire thing. Anyone = used the 140/90 before? What is this tire really designed for? The = tread looks more like a sport tire than touring. My bank account is hurting now... Mike V Hayward, and the=20 only rear tire they had for the PC was a metzler 140/90 (supposed to be = 140/80=20 ML2 plus..)  They said it is a bit taller, and have put it on a few = PC's=20 with no problems before- no complaints from the PC riders...  I = looked and=20 there was plenty of clearance all around, so not having any options, = went for=20 it. (no dunlops that fit were available either).  The tire is more = rounder,=20 and I felt a difference in handling. felt like it "rolls" with = ease.  Dont know if Im halluciating, or if its just a new tire=20 thing.    Anyone used the 140/90 before?  What is = this tire=20 really designed for?  The tread looks more like a sport tire than=20 touring.
 
My bank account is hurting = now...
 
Mike V
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 2 Sep 98 21:08:19 PDT From: Jo Ruby To: Subject: Re: [PC800: A lovely morning] I am running a Dunlop 491 (140/90/15) on the back of my PC. When on vacat= ion I had a tune-up done and new tires. They mounted a 177 up front and a 491 o= n the rear. When questioned, they said they double-checked with Honda before pu= tting it on. I was skeptical, but it seems to be doing fine. Rode it all the wa= y back from Colorado to home without any problems. > --------------------------------------------- = > Attachment:=A0 = > MIME Type:=A0multipart/alternative = > --------------------------------------------- > This morning during the= commute to the Bay area, rear tire took in a nail. Was going about 70 mph= in the far left lane. Felt the rear suddenly wobble and slowly went for the= shoulder and dirt. Surprisingly, control was not that bad... Nail went = into the thread, and caused a tear on the side, so it was not repairable. = Interestingly enough, the flatbed truck guy rides an harley and was real = nice and helpful. Good thing, he knew where in that area I could go for a tire= replacement since I was not familiar with any dealerships in that area. = > Oh, he told me some stories of motorcycle accidents he came to tow bike= s from- One crotch rocketeer with tank top, shorts, thongs took a wipe out.= =2E. The road rash along his arm, hip, leg was sooo bad. Literally had to scra= pe him off. > He says that many of the m/c accidents are crotch rockets, and amazed a= t how many of those bikes he tows away has less than 500 miles on its odometer.= Brand new fools with overloaded testerone being stupid without getting training first. > = > Anyways, ended up at Honda of Hayward, and the only rear tire they had = for the PC was a metzler 140/90 (supposed to be 140/80 ML2 plus..) They said= it is a bit taller, and have put it on a few PC's with no problems before- n= o complaints from the PC riders... I looked and there was plenty of cleara= nce all around, so not having any options, went for it. (no dunlops that fit = were available either). The tire is more rounder, and I felt a difference in handling. felt like it "rolls" with ease. Dont know if Im halluciating, = or if its just a new tire thing. Anyone used the 140/90 before? What is thi= s tire really designed for? The tread looks more like a sport tire than touring. > = > My bank account is hurting now... > = > Mike V > = Jo Ruby Juneau, Alaska 1994 PC800 ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at htt= p://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: RE: Noise Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:19:24 +0200 >I think my problem was the Metzler on the back and the Dunlop on the front. >The noise was unbelievable! Didn't (/doesn't) the '89 had a rear tire clearance problem ? Maybe this could explain it. I had the same "new tire feeling" after changing my Dunlops for the Metzlers, easier and more stable cornering etc, never had any noise. I'm staying with the Metzelers, much nicer handling. ___ [_ mile Nossin '90 PC800 "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Holland, Santpoort 'Never look back upon your live and say: " I should have done that....."' http://www.angelfire.com/nh/Nossin ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. X-UID: 0007f8e3 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 01:36:46 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: New or recent PC800 in stock??? To: djhcar@nt.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: PC800_List@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 List) djhcar@nt.net,Internet writes: >Greetings to PC Owners! > >Would anyone know of any new (1996-97-98) PC800 with end of season >prices... in the northeastern states preferably close to the eastern >Canadian border?????I live in Ontario, Canada... > >Thank you! > >Denis J.H. Carričre >djhcar@nt.net There is a dealer in Rochester, NY with a 1998 on the floor (as of last week at least). I never asked the price since I already have one, but I can get the address and phone number if you are interested. Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m15.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DM7WMH29; Thu, 03 Sep 1998 02:13:13 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: mdlinkous@netlinkcorp.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:19:01 -0700 Subject: Re: PC800: worn battery cable From: chargerblue@juno.com (Samuel Davis III) I've had that happen to me as well last year. I told my dealer about it and he had me come in and he ordered a new connector on a monday and on that wednesday within 1 hour I was out and back on the road. No Fee!! It's as you say, I always approached from the left side (After Parking) and never even looked that way. It happened that I was showing of my trunk to some guy and he brought it to my attention. It was worn down to the brass and my dealer made no excuses just a casual "Oh yeah, I see, do you want to leave it here or have me call you when the part arrives?" I love my Dealer!! San Diego House of Motorcycles does excellent work. I prefer to drive the 35 miles from my home to them, and I have a Honda about 7 minutes from my house. Good service is hard to beat!! Sammy D ---------------------ooO--( ^ o ^ )--Ooo------------------ The San Diego Chargers, Padres, Lakers & my Honda Pacific Coast, Southern California......................., what a great place to live!!! ICQ # 13888368 e-mail: chargerblue@juno.com On Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:27:37 -0400 "Michael D. Linkous" writes: >My new 97 (now with 850 miles) has a worn battery cable (on the >negative >side). I was cruising around a state park today and took a break. >Opened >the trunk to get my bottle of water and noticed a bare place on my >cable. >Strange I would have noticed. I usually open the trunk from the left >side >after I put it on the center stand. For some reason I opened it from >the >right and it stuck out like a sore thumb. It was rubbing on the hinge >on >the trunk lid and was beginning to cut into the cable as the hinge >passed by >it. On the way home, I passed the dealer, so I decided to stop at the >service dept. > >He said that the cable should have been hooked up on the side (facing >the >front of the bike). Mine was hooked up facing the side of the bike, >thus >causing the rubbing. He taped it up for me and repositioned the >cable. He >said he would check with Honda to see if this would be covered. I >told him >that it better be... that a new bike with <1000 miles should not be >costing >me ONE cent when it comes to repairs. If the insulation was a little >worn, >it would not have bothereed me, but it was actually cutting the copper >wires, so I feel it needs to be replaced... > >There is the story.... now I have 2 questions: > >1-- Has anyone had this to happen? > >2-- Does your dealer have to check on *every* little thing with Honda >for >warranty repair? It seems that this dude cant do anything without >*checking with honda*. > > >----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- >Michael D. Linkous >Bluefield, WV >www.angelfire.com/wv/mlink/index.html > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 05:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 05:39:16 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Why is it so hard to find a PC? Hi, Rob: My dealer here in Clarksville, TN, [ Mid-South Motoplex (931) 552-2205 ] has a used '97. It looks to be in good shape, but I only looked at it casually and briefly. The sticker says $6495, but I suspect he'll negotiate. It's a long day's ride here from Raleigh, but if you want to "pop" over here and take a look . . . . :) J. T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by saffron.neccsd.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id EAA05346 for ; Thu, 03 Sep 1998 04:06:40 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Sattin, Harvey" To: "'PC 800 List'" Subject: PC800: Rain-X Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 07:02:25 -0400 Has anyone tried using Rain-X on their motorcycle's windshield? -Harvey Sattin '98PC "Rhonda" 465 miles. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 08:44:54 -0400 From: Rich Thorne To: Eric Prior CC: "Prince, Roger" , PC800 Listserver Subject: Re: PC800: VDO Gauges Eric, When you install the VDO gauges in the upper speaker cutout corners, first check for clearances to the speaker mounting flanges behind the meter panel. If you place the gauges too close to the cutout corners they will interfere with the flanges and you will have to do the same surgery I did. Not a major problem but one you can easily avoid. rich '97 PC 800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "Michael D. Linkous" Cc: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: worn battery cable Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:27:44 -0400 >>>He said that the cable should have been hooked up on the side (facing the front of the bike). Mine was hooked up facing the side of the bike, thus causing the rubbing. I looked at mine last night, and it was easy to see what the guy did on yours. It was either an amateurish mistake, or a REAL mindfart on his part! I agree that you should get a new cable, either under warranty, or compliments of the dealer due to the mistake on the part of the service department. A little attention to detail would have prevented that. Steve Zweigart -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:02:53 -0300 To: "PC800 Mailing List" From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: PC800: About dealers At 18:17 2/9/98, Steven R. Zweigart wrote: >Regarding the dealer, I've heard nothing but generally pessimistic remarks >about Honda dealers on this mailing list. Are they all really that bad? No. I love my dealer, Pro Cycle in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada. They're the biggest cycle dealer in Eastern Canada -- something like 5 mechanics, 4 sales staff, 3 or 4 parts counter people -- and sell all kinds of cycles. The showroom is big, huge and beautiful and is packed with ridin-horny guys on Saturday mornings when they have free coffee and donuts out. I haven't bought a cycle from them, but the parts desk staff is as competent as you could ask for. They don't stock a lot of PC800 stuff, so I regularly order weird parts over the phone, with the guy looking at the fiche and me looking at the cycle. They consistently get the right parts in when they say they will, notify you by phone, and their refund policy is very fair. The repair shop is top notch, they do the right work in a little less time than I could do it (e.g. for a job that would take me 3 hours I might get billed 2.5 hours labour.) The won't fix what ain't broken, are generous with help and advice, and when I roll my bike up to the door, my mechanic greets me by name and remembers recent work on the bike. So, that's one non-horror story for ya. -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 11:07:35 -0400 From: Richard Stafford To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Honda Parts Hi Folks, I'm back on the line after taking a vacation to Montana and the Rockies. Took the Gl1500 because of towing the Campimg trailer. Thanks to all on the advice of what to see. Sure is beautifull country. As some of you may recall just before vacation time my PC died while coming home from work one night. After fiddling around with the fuel system it started and got me home OK. Put a new fuel filter on a few days ago and it has run Ok with the exception of eratic idle and a lean banging in the exhaust. Thought maybe might be a slide sticking or something. Yesterday it backfired rather loud after a fill up while starting it. I could sense that darlin' was telling me something again. Decided to check the fuel system out before this thing gets any worse. Took the carb's off last night and found a hole in the left vacuum piston slide diaphram. Worn from the flexing of the slide going up and down located in a crease that had formed. Took the Vacuum fuel cock assy. apart and found about a 1/8" hole there also. Time to get out the BIG wallet. Anyway I'm contacting several dealers trying to locate the best price on these parts without having to mortgage the house. I can't seem to reach Honda Of Milpatas (which many on this site recommends) for a quote. The web page I've had bookmarked doesn't seem to work. Does anyone know if they have changed their address? Thanks: Dick Stafford 1990 PC800 Darlin' 97,000+ Aylett, Va. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by popsicle.llnl.gov (8.8.8/LLNL-3.0.2) with SMTP id IAA20892; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 08:33:20 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 08:34:48 -0700 To: Mike & Cindy Ver Velde , PC800 email From: George Korbel Subject: Re: PC800: A lovely morning Mike, first, good thing you were able to come to stop without too much excitment! I live in the Bay area, had my bike serviced at Hayward Honda (before I switched to Milpitas) and used also 140/90 Metzeler which HH recommended. Absolutely no problems, no rubbing etc. Only mileage "improved" and the distances on odometer versus maps got shorter. Next time, when I had to change tires again I went back to 140/80. The tire is good for 12-14K miles. George At 08:46 PM 9/2/98 -0500, Mike & Cindy Ver Velde wrote: >>>> This morning during the commute to the Bay area, rear tire took in a nail. Was going about 70 mph in the far left lane. Felt the rear suddenly wobble and slowly went for the shoulder and dirt. Surprisingly, control was not that bad... Nail went into the thread, and caused a tear on the side, so it was not repairable. Interestingly enough, the flatbed truck guy rides an harley and was real nice and helpful. Good thing, he knew where in that area I could go for a tire replacement since I was not familiar with any dealerships in that area. Oh, he told me some stories of motorcycle accidents he came to tow bikes from- One crotch rocketeer with tank top, shorts, thongs took a wipe out... The road rash along his arm, hip, leg was sooo bad. Literally had to scrape him off. He says that many of the m/c accidents are crotch rockets, and amazed at how many of those bikes he tows away has less than 500 miles on its odometer. Brand new fools with overloaded testerone being stupid without getting training first. Anyways, ended up at Honda of Hayward, and the only rear tire they had for the PC was a metzler 140/90 (supposed to be 140/80 ML2 plus..) They said it is a bit taller, and have put it on a few PC's with no problems before- no complaints from the PC riders... I looked and there was plenty of clearance all around, so not having any options, went for it. (no dunlops that fit were available either). The tire is more rounder, and I felt a difference in handling. felt like it "rolls" with ease. Dont know if Im halluciating, or if its just a new tire thing. Anyone used the 140/90 before? What is this tire really designed for? The tread looks more like a sport tire than touring. My bank account is hurting now... Mike V <<<<<<<< -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "Mike & Cindy Ver Velde" Cc: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: Reflective Tape Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:40:55 -0400 That 3M reflective stuff is great! I work for a governmental agency, and have access to the trash can in the sign-making room where I can get all kinds of "scraps" that are bigger, better, and more diverse shapes than anything you can buy from K-mart, in green, white, yellow, orange, red, blue, and black (reflects grey). I've put it all over the back of my recumbent bicycle, and have pretty much papered the inside of my PC trunk with it in case I have to pull off of the road at night. Don't know if you noticed, but Honda only blessed the PC with one little 1x3" reflector on the back of the trunk. Everyone should try to make friends with someone in their local sign-making department so that those "scraps" can be recycled to potentially life-saving use. Who knows, maybe you can even talk them into cutting you a PC PARKING ONLY sign! Steve Zweigart -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 11:55:17 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: "Steven R. Zweigart" CC: "Michael D. Linkous" , PC800 Mailing List Subject: Re: PC800: worn battery cable Steven R. Zweigart wrote: > > >>>He said that the cable should have been hooked up on the side (facing > the > front of the bike). Mine was hooked up facing the side of the bike, thus > causing the rubbing. > > I looked at mine last night, and it was easy to see what the guy did on > yours. It was either an amateurish mistake, or a REAL mindfart on his part! > I agree that you should get a new cable, either under warranty, or > compliments of the dealer due to the mistake on the part of the service > department. A little attention to detail would have prevented that. > > Steve Zweigart I am confused. Mine is connected to the to the side facing the side of the bike. But in this position, the cable runs down the side of the battery (facing the front of the bike). Is this what you meant? Mine is a 97 with about 1300 miles (less than one month old), but I see no wear on the cable. It looks right and it is out of the way of the trunk. Maybe mine has a different connector from the cable to the battery? Mine wraps around the battery negative terminal and bolts on from the side of the bike. What gives? TommyTeal -- 93SE (Teal, You Think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast 98V-Star (Red, you bet) GWTA #6871 GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 12:14:49 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: "Sattin, Harvey" CC: "'PC 800 List'" Subject: Re: PC800: Rain-X Sattin, Harvey wrote: > > Has anyone tried using Rain-X on their motorcycle's windshield? > > -Harvey Sattin '98PC "Rhonda" 465 miles. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Some will say different but most will say; NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. Generally that stuff will eventually eat your windshield. Heard from many a member on the WOTI list that you should not use this stuff and it ruined thier windshields. Hope this helps. TommyTeal -- 93SE (Teal, You Think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast 98V-Star (Red, you bet) GWTA #6871 GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 12:25:11 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Fun Roads Hi all, There is a URL with fun roads, but it needs your help. It is the North American Sport Bike Registry. It says it is for sportbikers, but we know who really puts the most miles on, tourers and sport-tourers, so if you can, add your own information for your own State or Province. Then when you want to go out and do some riding, you can look up the list and see what is recommended. It is at http://www.execpc.com/~ytk/ Have fun! TommyTeal -- 93SE (Teal, You Think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast 98V-Star (Red, you bet) GWTA #6871 GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: Cc: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: worn battery cable Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:13:08 -0400 << To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 11:08:55 -0700 From: Eric Prior Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles Cc: PC800 Listserver Subject: PC800: Re: Another Old Newbie Hi Roger, There is an excellent listserver for the PC800 (Honda Pacific Coast). Check out members.tripod.com/~pc800 for instructions on how to subscribe. There is a fair amount of message traffic daily and lots of excellent information. I was interested in this bike and after lurking on the list for a while I was convinced it was the bike for me. I have a '98 PC800 that I purchased in July. Good luck and good riding. Eric Roger Pariseau wrote: > > I'm a grandfather type who's been scooting about town and wants to get > back into motorcycles. My only earlier experiences with M/Cs were the > Yamaha 250s and Honda 350s of the mid to late 60s. > > Basically I'm looking for a commuter-type bike that will take me at > highway speeds over some really long, fairly steep sides of mountains. > The Yamaha would do it (if you pulled out the muffler inserts first!) > but from lurking here, I read that folks consider 500 and 600 sized > bikes insufficient. > > I have been looking hard at the Honda VT600CD (Pacific Coast) but am > wondering if this 600 bike will haul my 5'9", 200# bod around o.k. > > Any ideas? > > TIA. > > -- > Roger -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 13:08:55 -0700 From: "Roy Thomassen" To: Subject: PC800: Interesting web site Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" We all like motorcycles. I have been reading the stuff on this web site for a while and I thought that I'd share it with the list. Check out http://www.activebike.com/IM.htm Very excellent fiction and non-fiction writing there. Blue skies and fun rides, Roy T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:26:45 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 16:28:15 -0400 From: "Rick J." To: rocheux@juno.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Metzeler ML2's rocheux@juno.com wrote: > I asked about tires. Seems there are only three choices. Dunlop K177 and > K555 and the MetzEler ML2s. Although the Metzelers last longer I wanted > the > stickiest-to-the-road type. I got one answer and I solicit others now. > Which of the 3 in your opinion is the one which will provide the most > traction? If everything is equal in tractionville, then perhaps the best > choice is the longest lasting: Metzeler. Haven't heard anyone mention this tidbit, but I was told that Metzeler uses twodifferent rubber compounds in their ML2 tire (thus the name?). The center of the tire most often in contact with the road when riding straight is supposed to be a harder compound so that they will last longer. The sides are said to be made of a softer compound so that they will grip better on turns. It's my understanding that the Dunlop's are a one compound compromise. This might explain why aggressive riders may be getting fewer miles from a set of Metzelers (i.e. cupping and early side wear) while non-aggressive drivers should get more. Anyone care to verify or offer an opinion on this? Regards, Rick -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:43:27 -0400 To: "Rick J." , rocheux@juno.com From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Metzeler ML2's Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 4:28 PM -0400 9/3/98, Rick J. wrote: >Haven't heard anyone mention this tidbit, but I was told that Metzeler uses >twodifferent rubber compounds in their ML2 tire (thus the name?). >This might explain why aggressive riders may be getting fewer miles from a >set of >Metzelers (i.e. cupping and early side wear) while non-aggressive drivers >should >get more. > >Anyone care to verify or offer an opinion on this? > >Regards, > >Rick > Hmmmm.. a very interesting idea Rick. That would certainly explain the difference in the testimonials people have about their tires. I haven't seen an ML2 up close, but I am curious if the tread design is such that they can easily transition between the harder compound and the softer compound. Okay you Metzeler owners out there......let's hear your opinions.... fsl :-) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Hilsinger, George" To: "'PC800'" Subject: PC800: Headlights Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:08:12 -0700 The URL http://lighting.mbz.org/tech/info/blue_bulbs/ contains worthwhile information for anyone who is considering installing the blue headlamp bulbs we see advertised in various magazines and catalogs. George Hilsinger HilsinG@wsdot.wa.gov 97 PC800 81 CM400 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DM9R4TZQ; Thu, 03 Sep 1998 19:32:41 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: dickie@bealenet.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: PARTS LOCATOR From: annreid@juno.com (ann s reid) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 19:32:41 EDT Dick Stafford, Here are a few parts places mentioned on this list: 1) 800/343-9065 MidWest Action Cycle Lake Geneva WI macycle@execpc.com b) 800/669-2275 Discount Honda Parts c) 800/488-7921 Waynesville (NC) Cycle www.waynesvillecycle.com 4) 800/359-0567 mrcycles@aol.com e) 800/734-2639 Honda of Milpitas, CA GOOD LUCK ... TIMES 10! Ann '89 PC GHOSTY-GALORE Thu. 9.3.98 15:20 MST _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: VP222@aol.com for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:39:08 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Introduction Hi Folks, I'm new to the list and thought I'd introduce myself. My name is Clint Greenwalt, I live in Katy, TX (just west of Houston), and I ride an ST1100. I was on this list for a while in '96 and '97. At the time I lusted after an ST, but really liked the PC too. I found a great deal on a used ST and went that route. So, why am I back on the list? Well, my SO (Beth) has decided that she would rather have her own bike than ride copilot. And we both think the Pacific Coast is the perfect bike for her needs. So, I'll be asking lots of questions.......standard newbie questions (tires, accessories, etc.). Please bear with me. Clint Greenwalt (and Beth too!) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Thu, 03 Sep 1998 19:46:25 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael D. Linkous" To: "Pacific Coast" Subject: PC800: my $0.02; SAENG edging Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:44:40 -0400 I have been meaning to post my opinion now for a few days. While I was waiting for it to arrive, I was thinking this stuff is going to be super quiet. But then I realized that we do not live in a perfect world. Anyway, installation was a snap (literally) and took all of a minute or two. My 97 PC has right at 1000 miles and with the stock shield it beats my head nearly to death at hwy. speeds. My helmet (shoei rf-800) blocks a lot of noise but the wind (esp. that backdraft from trucks) really shook my head. The edging helps tremendously at all speeds. Many have said it may even get a little worse at hwy. speeds. I guess you could have 100 different users of the edging and get 100 different opinions. In my case, I still get a lot of wind at 70-80 mph but it seems like it is more on my chest instead of my head. That... I can handle. It could be my imagination, but it doesn't seem as rough. I am meeting my uncle from SC (who also has a 97) over the labor day weekend. Since we both have stock shields (and he has ridden a lot more than me) I am hoping to trade bikes for a few miles so he can give me his opinion. I'll be taking SAENG's phone number to give him.... I know he will want it. So, bottom line for me...... I like it and it was money well spent. It is great around town (I think everyone would agree with). And at highway speeds it is good for me because it does re-direct some of the wind from around my face. One thing that I did catch was it was more noticeable see the windshield vibrating in the wind with the black edging. ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- Michael D. Linkous Bluefield, WV www.angelfire.com/wv/mlink/index.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mashaw@mindspring.com (Monty Shaw) To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: K555 on '89 PC Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 00:40:27 GMT I've got to get a new rear tire. Currently I have K177 front and rear. The front still has tread, but I need to replace the rear one. I seem to recall reading in the archives that the 89 can't take a K555 because it rubs the trunk liner and eventually will rub a hole through it. I thought I had found a K177, but it didn't pan out. So now the tire store people are telling me that the K555 is the OEM tire for the '89. Is there anybody out there riding a K555 on the rear of an 89? Thanks In Advance ]Monty[ 89 PC 'Sailor Moon' -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2); Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:54:06 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Rain-X Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:52:23 -0400 From: To: "Pacific Coast List" Thomas Ongstad, gwta@voyager.net writes: >NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. Generally that stuff will eventually eat your >windshield. Heard from many a member on the WOTI list that you should >not use this stuff and it ruined thier windshields. Absolutely right. The previous owner of mine used it and it caused some kind of coating on the windshield to shrink and split open. --- Jim Hart "Organization is necessary for things to exist; Chaos is necessary for things to evolve." -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Metzeler ML2's Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 03:19:33 +0200 -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Francois Saint Laurent Datum: donderdag 3 september 1998 22:58 >>This might explain why aggressive riders may be getting fewer miles from a >>set of >>Metzelers (i.e. cupping and early side wear) while non-aggressive drivers >>should >>get more. >>Anyone care to verify or offer an opinion on this? I haven't >seen an ML2 up close, but I am curious if the tread design is such that >they can easily transition between the harder compound and the softer >compound. >Okay you Metzeler owners out there......let's hear your opinions.... > You just keep on going, don't you Francois ? Investigating the "compound boundary transition layer". LOL : )) Well, I do a lot of investigating in that field and my conclusions are : YESSS !!! I ride agressive, yet most of my miles are commuter. So you still can't compare. The Metz's do have an awfull lot of thread, I need my big maglite to see who deep they are. Scraping along... ___ [_ mile Nossin '90 PC800 "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Holland, Santpoort 'Never look back upon your live and say: " I should have done that....."' http://www.angelfire.com/nh/Nossin ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Introduction Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 03:25:27 +0200 >I'm new to the list and thought I'd introduce myself. My name is Clint >Greenwalt, I live in Katy, TX (just west of Houston), and I ride an ST1100. > Welcome (back) to the list Beth (and Clint with the ST too!) ; )) >that route. So, why am I back on the list? Well, my SO (Beth) has decided >that she would rather have her own bike than ride copilot. > Okay, let's get this cleared up once and for all. Don't you mean FO i.o. SO ? Usually it's the First Officer (copilot), with the Captain (you) up front. ___ [_ mile Nossin '90 PC800 "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Holland, Santpoort 'Never look back upon your live and say: " I should have done that....."' http://www.angelfire.com/nh/Nossin ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Desmond Cockburn" To: mdlinkous@netlinkcorp.com Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: my $0.02; SAENG edging Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 18:37:44 PDT >From: "Michael D. Linkous" >The edging helps tremendously at all speeds. Many have said it may even get >a little worse at hwy. speeds. >So, bottom line for me...... I like it and it was money well spent. Michael, I also have the Saeng edging on my 95 in conjunction with the stock shield and it has made the PC even more enjoyable to ride, if that is possible. The slip stream is now strongest about 2 inches below the top of my helmet. I think the wind noise is somewhat reduced as I now hear things about the engine compartment that I had not noticed before. I am looking forward to riding some in the rain to how well the edging channels the water and just where the heck it channels it to. All in all, best $30.00 I ever spent on an accessory. See ya down the Road, Des, 95 PC, "Dream Weaver" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP Fri, 4 Sep 1998 01:41:01 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Gregg L. DesElms" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: K555 on '89 PC Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 21:40:42 -0400 -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Monty Shaw To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thursday, September 03, 1998 8:41 PM Subject: PC800: K555 on '89 PC >I've got to get a new rear tire. Currently I have K177 front >and rear. The front still has tread, but I need to replace >the rear one. I seem to recall reading in the archives that >the 89 can't take a K555 because it rubs the trunk liner and >eventually will rub a hole through it. > >I thought I had found a K177, but it didn't pan out. So now >the tire store people are telling me that the K555 is the >OEM tire for the '89. > >Is there anybody out there riding a K555 on the rear of an >89? Early PCs came with the K555, but later models came with the K177. The K555 is not quite as nice a tire as the K177, but it's awfully darned close. As a practical matter, there is no real difference. The K555 is not and never was the cause of the trunk rubbing problem. I have debunked this myth on this list repeatedly and it keeps rearing its ugly head anyway. At most, the K555, since it is just the teeniest-tinest bit wider/taller than the K177, may have exacerbated the wearthru problem with the trunk liner in the '89 models. But the problem was with the trunk liner, not the tire. The left compartment in the '89 liner was molded just a tad too wide on the inside (right side) and, therefore, a bit too close to the tire. As long as you didn't have anything in the trunk and you didn't compress the rear shock too much, you might not notice it. But if one put a large helmet into the left side, or overstuffed the left side, or if one put anything into the left side which caused the plastic to "pooch-out" a bit, then the tire would wear through -- more easily with K555s than with K177s, perhaps, but still true in either case. Making the left compartment of the trunk liner a few millimeters narrower, thereby giving the tire a bit more room, was one of the 60+ changes (from the '89 PC) that was engineered into the '90 PC. Back when the '89 was a relatively new model, one could get Honda to retrofit a '90 liner into any '89 which exhibited the wearthrough problem for free (under warranty) because they recognized it was a design flaw. But these days that would be just about impossible. Today, if you wanted a '90 liner in your '89 you'd definitely have to pay for it. As for the K177 vs. K555 argument: Other members of this list have many opinions -- including that you should not get either and that you should be a set of Metzelers (which are excellent tires!). Having owned both the K177 and the K555, I personally prefer the K177. But the K555 is just fine also. Soon, it seems, we will have our choice taken away from us anyway -- if we want a Dunlop tire, that is: Though Dunlop still shows the K177 for the PC800 as a current product on their website, appartently they're phasing it out. One can typically still obtain a K177 rear from many dealers -- either in-stock or in the distribution channel. But if the dealer doesn't happen to have a front one in stock, they're now becoming very hard to find in the aftermarket distribution channel. And most dealers' parts depts. are beginning to see the K555 on their computer screens as the substitute for the K177 for the PC. Honda itself is still showing availability on the K177 -- both front and rear -- but a Dunlop tire from Honda is typically about $30 more (retail) than from the aftermarket distrubution channel. I'm in the middle of getting new tires at this very moment, so I'm struggling with this K177 availability problem right now. Because I like them, I'll probably pop for the extra $30 for the front tire in order to get it from Honda, which appears to be the only place from which my dealer is able to obtain one. But clearly my *next* tires (after this set) will either have to be the K555s or a set from another manufacturer. Even if I'm forced to take the K555s, I figure that's no big deal. They're perfectly fine tires. And I got the '90 trunkliner for my '89 as a free retrofit from Honda back in '91 ('cause I experienced, firsthand, the wearthrough problem). So I'm not afraid to get the K555s -- and will, if I have to. Good luck. Gregg DesElms deselms@royal.net '89 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: FW: PC800: Reflective Tape Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:38:15 -0400 I installed one of those handy little LED arrays on the rear of the = backrest about an inch above the ducktail... wired it to the brake light = circuit. It works similar to the high third brake light on a car - = fellow riders say it gets their attention much better than just the = stock brake lights. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Mike & Cindy Ver Velde [SMTP:m.vervelde@mci2000.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 9:29 PM To: scotp1965@mdn.net; PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Reflective Tape After reading Scotts message about seeking more visibility- It just = occured to me that for those of us with the backrest, there is a nice big spot = on the back of the backrest that could hold alot of reflective material... ummm, maybe cheaper that adding lights, as red reflective tape will certainly be visible that much higher above the rear lights... Mike V --Subject: PC800: Reflective Tape >I just purchased some white reflective tape from K-Mart (no Rainman >jokes please) for $2. I cut into various lengths (1" wide) and applied >to my helmet. It makes a HUGE difference at night. My fellow riders >cannot get over how much it illuminates. I did this for safety, and = for >the fact my jacket does not have a lot of reflective material on it. I >have not heard of an easier and cheaper method of improving your >visibility so much at night. (and it covered some scratches in my >helmet)... Just a thought for those seeking more visibility. > >Scot >'89 PC800 >19,800 miles, 7600 in first year of ownership. >changes in the first year: >cut tall Honda shield down 2" >purchased stock shield and cut down 5" >purchased Hondaline passenger backrest >installed new front tire, K-177 >sync'd carbs >replaced front fork seals and added Progressive springs >added stick-on clock >installed vista lock cruise control >installed new battery (twice in 4 weeks, 1st one was bad) > >I've noticed my rear tire wearing significantly more than the front. >Both have within 1000 miles of each other. Rear is disappointingly = worn >after 7600 miles. At this rate, I see 10-12k max. Was hoping for 15k. >Front tire should make 15k if not more. >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: RE: PC800: Rain-X Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:45:49 -0400 Honda windshields are coated and the coating is what the Rain-X attacks. = However, Rain-X won't hurt the uncoated acrylic windshields sold by = Rifle (don't know about Clearview). Unfortunately it doesn't help much = either. If you read the label you'll see that Rain-X is a silicate of = some type (hmmm, silica... isn't that what glass is made of? Maybe those = scientists at Rain-X had a plan).=20 I've found that a non-abrasive automotive "polish" works reasonably well = to bead off the water of my windshield. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Thomas Ongstad [SMTP:gwta@voyager.net] Sent: Thursday, September 03, 1998 12:15 PM To: Sattin, Harvey Cc: 'PC 800 List' Subject: Re: PC800: Rain-X Sattin, Harvey wrote: >=20 > Has anyone tried using Rain-X on their motorcycle's windshield? >=20 > -Harvey Sattin '98PC "Rhonda" 465 miles. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of = a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Some will say different but most will say; NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. Generally that stuff will eventually eat your windshield. Heard from many a member on the WOTI list that you should not use this stuff and it ruined thier windshields. Hope this helps. TommyTeal --=20 93SE (Teal, You Think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast=20 98V-Star (Red, you bet) GWTA #6871 GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" , "'HSTA List'" Subject: PC800: Salvagable 90 PC Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 21:52:30 -0400 Today Nancy and I motored over to Mid-South MC Salvage (Morristown, TN) = to locate an organ donor for one our older toys ('84 VT500E Ascot). = Fortunately, I found what I was looking for but that's not what this = note is about. I know that most PCers don't tend to be "wrenchers" (after all, that's = one of the reasons you bought it, right?) but for someone so inclined = there's an "opportunity" there in the form of 90 PC800. The bike has = 14K miles on the clock and has the "rare" Kenwood stereo. The bike is = very clean and looks as if it was highly pampered before being laid down = at slow speed on her right side. It's ridable as is but does need = plastic surgery to correct some disfigurement.=20 Damage appears to be: - Both mirrors are missing - The large (and I'm sure expensive) front faring (where the headlight=20 mounts) is broken on the right side. To be repaired "right" this = piece=20 should be replaced but a good fiberglass man could probably fix it. - Right side cooling air exit vent is missing - The upper right side trunk piece is scraped but not broken - this = could be sanded and painted satisfactorily - All four bumper covers are damaged or missing. - Minor scrapes on the right bar end and front brake lever That appears to be the extent of the damage. Quoted price: $2500 - but = in my opinion, highly negotiable. BTW, there's also a high mileage (45K) ST1100 with lots of plastic = damage. I think it's a '94 or '95 and it too is rideable but it looks = like it was rode hard and put away wet. They want about $5K for the ST - = too much IMO. The PC, on the other hand, looks as if it's been cared for = very well and with an investment of a few hundred $$ might make someone = a nice ride. If anyone is interested the phone number there is (423) 581-4699. I can = be of assistance, let me know. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net Current Toy Box Contents: '95 Honda PC800 (mine) '85 Honda CB450 (hers) '84 Honda VT500E (ours) '85 Honda CB125S (son's) '75 Honda CB360T (daughter's) '82 Yamaha IT125 (mine) '82 Yamaha YZ125 (son's) '86 Kawasaki 650X2 Jetski=20 '85 Kawasaki JS550 Jetski '92 Mastercraft Prostar 205 (that would be a ski boat)=20 Perhaps someone would like to donate a Suzuki of some type??? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'George Korbel'" Cc: "'PC800 List'" Subject: RE: PC800: A lovely morning Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 21:01:49 -0400 Hi George, I don't doubt that your fuel mileage improved since you = effectively reduced your final drive ratio by about 5%. However, since = the speedo is driven from the front wheel, the rear tire change should = not affect indicated MPH or odometer miles. BTW, I'm going to try a Dunlop 491 (140/90) next time (that is if the = K177 EVER wears out - 15.5K and still a couple of mm from the wear = bars!). I'm using the 491 on another touring bike and it works great - = good handling both wet and dry. I do however, expect to sacrifice some = amount of "at the limit" perfomance as compared to the softer compound, = lower profile K177 or K555. I don't really expect this to be an issue = since I don't have one of those "golden butts" mentioned here recently = and more importantly, I much more of a tourer than sport rider. = Basically, it's a $100 experiment - I'll report after the swap. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: George Korbel [SMTP:korbel1@llnl.gov] Sent: Thursday, September 03, 1998 11:35 AM To: Mike & Cindy Ver Velde; PC800 email Subject: Re: PC800: A lovely morning Mike, first, good thing you were able to come to stop without too much excitment! I live in the Bay area, had my bike serviced at Hayward Honda (before I switched to Milpitas) and used also 140/90 Metzeler which HH = recommended. Absolutely no problems, no rubbing etc. Only mileage "improved" and = the distances on odometer versus maps got shorter. Next time, when I had to change tires again I went back to 140/80. =20 The tire is good for 12-14K miles. George At 08:46 PM 9/2/98 -0500, Mike & Cindy Ver Velde wrote:=20 >>>> This morning during the commute to the Bay area, rear tire took in a nail. Was going about 70 mph in the far left lane. Felt the rear suddenly wobble and slowly went for the shoulder and dirt.=20 Surprisingly, control was not that bad... Nail went into the thread, = and caused a tear on the side, so it was not repairable. Interestingly enough, the flatbed truck guy rides an harley and was real nice and helpful. Good thing, he knew where in that area I could go for a tire replacement since I was not familiar with any dealerships in that area. = Oh, he told me some stories of motorcycle accidents he came to tow bikes from- One crotch rocketeer with tank top, shorts, thongs took a wipe out... The road rash along his arm, hip, leg was sooo bad. Literally had to scrape him off. He says that many of the m/c accidents are crotch rockets, and amazed at how many of those bikes he tows away has less than 500 miles on its odometer. Brand new fools with overloaded testerone being stupid without getting training first. =20 Anyways, ended up at Honda of Hayward, and the only rear tire they had for the PC was a metzler 140/90 (supposed to be 140/80 ML2 plus..) They said it is a bit taller, and have put it on a few PC's = with no problems before- no complaints from the PC riders... I looked and there was plenty of clearance all around, so not having any options, = went for it. (no dunlops that fit were available either). The tire is more rounder, and I felt a difference in handling. felt like it "rolls" with ease. Dont know if Im halluciating, or if its just a new tire thing. =20 Anyone used the 140/90 before? What is this tire really designed for?=20 The tread looks more like a sport tire than touring. =20 My bank account is hurting now... =20 Mike V <<<<<<<< -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Thu, 03 Sep 1998 22:23:52 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael D. Linkous" To: "Desmond Cockburn" Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: my $0.02; SAENG edging Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:23:00 -0400 WOW! $30.... You must have an open space at each end.... I bought four feet to it all the way around the shield. I am like you... so far I love it... I think it even gives the PC a little *sportier* edge.... it fits the bike well IMO. -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Desmond Cockburn To: mdlinkous@netlinkcorp.com Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thursday, September 03, 1998 9:38 PM Subject: Re: PC800: my $0.02; SAENG edging > >>From: "Michael D. Linkous" > >>The edging helps tremendously at all speeds. Many have said it may >even get >>a little worse at hwy. speeds. > >>So, bottom line for me...... I like it and it was money well spent. > >Michael, > >I also have the Saeng edging on my 95 in conjunction with the stock >shield and it has made the PC even more enjoyable to ride, if that is >possible. The slip stream is now strongest about 2 inches below the top >of my helmet. I think the wind noise is somewhat reduced as I now hear >things about the engine compartment that I had not noticed before. I am >looking forward to riding some in the rain to how well the edging >channels the water and just where the heck it channels it to. > >All in all, best $30.00 I ever spent on an accessory. > >See ya down the Road, > >Des, 95 PC, "Dream Weaver" > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:33:39 -0400 To: "Desmond Cockburn" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: my $0.02; SAENG edging Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu At 6:37 PM -0700 9/3/98, Desmond Cockburn wrote: >I also have the Saeng edging on my 95 in conjunction with the stock >shield and it has made the PC even more enjoyable to ride, if that is >possible. <> I am >looking forward to riding some in the rain to how well the edging >channels the water and just where the heck it channels it to. > >Des, 95 PC, "Dream Weaver" > > Hi Des. I have the SAENG edging on a 24" Clearview screen. Riding in the rain is kind of neat with this edging. The first inch or so from the edging inwards stays relativiely dry. Water rolling up the screen seems to stop when it gets to about an inch from the edging. It doesn't allow any rain to come over the top into your shield, which is great. fsl :-) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by PM06SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) 4 Sep 1998 02:33:23 +0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 19:29:31 -0500 From: Mike & Cindy Ver Velde Subject: Re: PC800: Metzeler ML2's To: Francois Saint Laurent , "Rick J." , rocheux@juno.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Umm, interesting info... when the dealer was looking at my front Metzler ML2 yesterday, he noted that the treads on the sides were wearing down while the middle tread still had some life it it, but recommended replacing very soon due to the side tread wear.... Mike V Rick and Francois write: >>Haven't heard anyone mention this tidbit, but I was told that Metzeler uses >>twodifferent rubber compounds in their ML2 tire (thus the name?). >>This might explain why aggressive riders may be getting fewer miles from a >>set of >>Metzelers (i.e. cupping and early side wear) while non-aggressive drivers >>should >>get more. >>>Hmmmm.. a very interesting idea Rick. That would certainly explain the >difference in the testimonials people have about their tires. I haven't >seen an ML2 up close, but I am curious if the tread design is such that >they can easily transition between the harder compound and the softer >compound. > >Okay you Metzeler owners out there......let's hear your opinions.... > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 23:01:50 EDT To: RickJ2000@worldnet.att.net, rocheux@juno.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Metzeler ML2's Rick- I have had all three types of tires on my PC and I give the nod to sticky to the K555s, the good tire for the money to the 177s, and the best all around tire to the ML2s. I can grind my pegs with the Mets and I dont fret it at all. They have a long life and I am happier with them overall than the others. Like I said, the K555s were really good and sticky, but I want more than 7K out of my tires. Russ Vernon '95 PC Sambo -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 23:01:56 EDT To: RickJ2000@worldnet.att.net, rocheux@juno.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Metzeler ML2's Rick- I have had all three types of tires on my PC and I give the nod to sticky to the K555s, the good tire for the money to the 177s, and the best all around tire to the ML2s. I can grind my pegs with the Mets and I dont fret it at all. They have a long life and I am happier with them overall than the others. Like I said, the K555s were really good and sticky, but I want more than 7K out of my tires. Russ Vernon '95 PC Sambo -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DNAYTJ3U; Fri, 04 Sep 1998 06:49:11 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: h.sattin@neccsd.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 06:26:20 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Rain-X From: miketwh@juno.com (Mike T Whited) Tried Rain-x years ago. Didn't work. It works fine on glass but not plastic/polycarbon/acrilic....non glass materials. Mike Whited '94 PC On Thu, 3 Sep 1998 07:02:25 -0400 "Sattin, Harvey" writes: >Has anyone tried using Rain-X on their motorcycle's windshield? > >-Harvey Sattin '98PC "Rhonda" 465 miles. >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 07:02:39 -0400 From: Bill McKenna To: dickie@bealenet.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Honda Parts Try Banzai 800.405.7283 E X C E L L E N T service... generally to 40% off. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill McKenna--AugustaMaine-USA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Hilsinger, George" To: "'PC800'" Subject: PC800: Re: Another Old Newbie Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 07:46:06 -0700 Roger Pariseau wrote: > ...I have been looking hard at the Honda VT600CD (Pacific Coast) but am > wondering if this 600 bike will haul my 5'9", 200# bod around o.k.... Isn't this a Shadow? The Honda XL600V Transalp would certainly haul you around without problems. It has more horsepower and less weight than the PC800 Pacific Coast. You have to add aftermarket bags for storage though. I think only the 89 model was imported into the US although it continues to be built and sold in Europe. George Hilsinger HilsinG@wsdot.wa.gov 97 PC800 81 CM400 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:06:12 -0400 To: "Hilsinger, George" , "'PC800'" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Another Old Newbie At 7:46 AM -0700 9/4/98, Hilsinger, George wrote: >Roger Pariseau wrote: > >> ...I have been looking hard at the Honda VT600CD (Pacific Coast) but am >> wondering if this 600 bike will haul my 5'9", 200# bod around o.k.... > >Isn't this a Shadow? The Honda XL600V Transalp would certainly haul you >around without problems. It has more horsepower and less weight than >the PC800 Pacific Coast. You have to add aftermarket bags for storage >though. I think only the 89 model was imported into the US although it >continues to be built and sold in Europe. > > >George Hilsinger >HilsinG@wsdot.wa.gov >97 PC800 There is brand new Transalp, never delivered or licensed, in the showroom of the Honda dealer in Potsdam. I'm not sure what he is asking for it. fsl :-) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Rtb@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:27:59 EDT To: vfr@cs.wisc.edu, HSTA@listproc.bgsu.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Wanted: Ventura Bike Pack Interested in buying a Ventura Bike Pack System. If any of you fellow listers have one you'd like to sell, please let me know. Thanks, Ron Baroody Rtb@aol.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 16:03:56 -0400 From: Richard Stafford To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: PC800 Parts Thank everyone for their help on purchasing my fuel system parts. I have them on order from Banzia. Again thanks, this is just one of the things that make this list so neat. Dick -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DNB2GFZ7; Fri, 04 Sep 1998 16:37:19 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:01:41 -0700 Subject: PC800: Trunk Bags From: jdc84@juno.com (Joyce D Calvert) Anybody have any trunk bags for the PC for sale? Or know a place that sells them for a decent price? Email me direct. Thanks. Joyce _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DNB2GF2Q; Fri, 04 Sep 1998 16:37:19 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:14:29 -0700 Subject: PC800: External Power/Communication From: jdc84@juno.com (Joyce D Calvert) This is what I want to do: Have communication system that allows for rider comm and CD/tape player. Power Source: Don't want to use batteries, would like to rig external power from main fuse so power is off when bike is off, or, is there a better way? I have yet to get converter for CD/tape player because I'm not sure where to start with power source. I have talked to: People with power sources already hooked up. Dealers (ugh), electronic stores, auto electronic stores. I've gotten as far as purchasing $5 worth of wiring from Radio Shack that includes in line fuse, but have been told that it would blow my CD player unless I have a converter somewhere. I'm getting conflicting information from every source. The only constant one is: We don't have anything like that. I know it's all out there, I can feel it in my bones -- and my womens' intuition. Comm System: Have checked out Nady, Chatterbox. Who has what and what do you like or not like about it? Which ones can be connected to power sources and CD/tape players? For all the great information and gentle humor, I thank you all. Joyce _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DNB2GFZN; Fri, 04 Sep 1998 16:37:19 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:59:05 -0700 Subject: PC800: Oh Cheese, Oh Cod, Oh WHINE! From: jdc84@juno.com (Joyce D Calvert) Recently took a trip to Reno with Tom in Clayton. Two PC's. Can't wait for 1,000 of them in a pack! Trip was about 400 miles, didn't keep track. Had the bike in for service the day before the trip. Turned 9,000 miles during the trip. Told the service people to check out a whine coming from the front end. Sounds like it's coming from the hub of the wheel. It's more noticeable when riding 2 up. It's more noticeable when leaning to the left. Reno trip I had 2 up plus a duffle strapped to back of the seat rest. At 70 or 75 mph it was VERY LOUD at even the slightest lean to the left. I've been reading all the info on the list about noises, but haven't heard anything about FRONT wheel noise or whine. Dealer service dept could not detect it when test riding. First thing I get on the bike and lean to the left I hear it -- 2 up or not. Any input? Thanks. Joyce _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 13:47:51 -0700 From: Eric Prior To: PC800 Listserver Subject: PC800: Map Holder I have seen in the Motoport catalog a map holder that is attached to the tank with suction cups (~$19) - seems to be specifically designed for bikes with plastic tanks. Does anyone on this list have experience with this type of map holder? I know one list member said he rolled his own map holder similar to what I described. Thanks. Eric '98 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mashaw@mindspring.com (Monty Shaw) To: "Gregg L. DesElms" , PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: K555 on '89 PC Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 21:42:20 GMT Wow, thanks for THE definitive answer on 89s and the K555. It sounds like I should take this opportunity to put a Metzler ML2 on the rear. Do you think it will matter that there is a K177 on the front? It still has lots of tread left, so I'd like to keep it and save up for a ML2. Thanks again. ]Monty[ 89 'Sailor Moon' -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:08:16 +2000 (EDT) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:08:16 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Hard Ass Syndrome An alternative answer to "hard ass syndrome," other than Corbin. A buddy of mine who rides a HD had an "Air Rider" bladder installed under his saddle. It is controlled by a valve that maintains the correct pressure. Their net address is www.airrider.com Bernie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m3.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DNCJB9F6; Fri, 04 Sep 1998 21:14:39 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: eric_prior@appsig.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:12:03 -0700 Subject: Re: PC800: Map Holder From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy) I went to Motoport a few weeks ago to get one of those map holders and was told that they are no longer made. Richard On Fri, 04 Sep 1998 13:47:51 -0700 Eric Prior writes: >I have seen in the Motoport catalog a map holder that is attached to >the >tank with suction cups (~$19) - seems to be specifically designed for >bikes with plastic tanks. Does anyone on this list have experience >with >this type of map holder? I know one list member said he rolled his own >map holder similar to what I described. Thanks. > >Eric >'98 PC800 >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "Pacific Coast Mailing List" Subject: PC800: Two down in Kentucky Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 21:03:38 -0400 While driving (my car due to a REALLY bad headache) to lunch today, I = came upon an accident involving a motorcycle and what looked like a = Lincoln Towncar. On a straight stretch of road, approaching an = intersection, the cycle, looked like a semi-dress Wing with two up, had = backended the Towncar, which was stopped at the end of a line of about = ten cars at the red light. Somehow, the cycle driver got the cycle = turned sideways and went down, apparently low-speed high-side. He ended = up off the bike, on the ground laying under the rear bumper of the car = with his leg banged up. His OL apparently somehow stayed with the bike, = and was OK, other than being shook up. The car looked to be undamaged. = Both riders were wearing helmets, which probably prevented serious = injury to the 62 year old driver. =20 What was sort of amazing was that the first responders had taken great = care to get the bike up, and set it carefully on its side stand. It = really didn't look as if there was any serious damage to it. While = everyone was hovering around the bike, there lay the poor driver in the = road under the car. And someone had pulled his helmet off. (I thought = this was generally frowned upon.) Turns out he thankfully only suffered = minor boo boos to his knee or ankle...I'm not sure which. =20 Lesson learned: Keep that following distance appropriate. It's = sometimes hard to judge, as cars tend to whip in front of you if you = leave too much space. This accident sure had to be embarrassing for the = guy, not to mention pretty darned scary. Steve Z. about=20 ten cars at the red light.  Somehow, the cycle driver got the cycle = turned=20 sideways and went down, apparently low-speed high-side.  He ended = up off=20 the bike, on the ground laying under the rear bumper of the car with his = leg=20 banged up.  His OL apparently somehow stayed with the bike, and was = OK,=20 other than being shook up.  The car looked to be undamaged.  = Both=20 riders were wearing helmets, which probably prevented serious injury to = the 62=20 year old driver. 
 
What was sort of amazing was that the first = responders had=20 taken great care to get the bike up, and set it carefully on its side=20 stand.  It really didn't look as if there was any serious damage to = it.  While everyone was hovering around the bike, there lay the = poor driver=20 in the road under the car.  And someone had pulled his helmet = off.  (I=20 thought this was generally frowned upon.)  Turns out he=20 thankfully only suffered minor boo boos to his knee or ankle...I'm not = sure=20 which. 
 
Lesson learned:  Keep that following distance=20 appropriate.  It's sometimes hard to judge, as cars tend to whip in = front=20 of you if you leave too much space.  This accident sure had to be=20 embarrassing for the guy, not to mention pretty darned = scary.
 
Steve Z.
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP Sat, 5 Sep 1998 01:21:48 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "kr evans" To: "pc800" Subject: PC800: Question 78 CX500 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 21:14:46 -0400 Anybody know much about the CX500? Local shop has one for sale cheap, and I was wondering if it would be a worthwhile waste of money. Looked and sounded slow, boring, unmanueverable, ugly, etc. Just what the doctor ordered for when the PC goes down? Smiles, everyone. KR -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Cory" To: "kr evans" , "pc800" Subject: Re: PC800: Question 78 CX500 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 21:48:26 -0400 KR wrote: Looked and sounded slow, boring, unmanueverable, ugly, etc. Just what the doctor ordered for when the PC goes down? Well, it isn't real, real fast, but the rest of your comments are probably way off! The CX500/CX650/GL500/SilverWing crowd is almost as faithful a bunch as the Pacific Coasters are! That is a reallywonderful bike......typical Honda, a little bit one-off, and it's potential and greatness not really appreciated until after they quit production! They are a real work horse! Cory -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BobDuWah@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 21:47:32 EDT To: krevans@worldnet.att.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Question 78 CX500 In a message dated 9/4/98 8:22:45 PM Central Daylight Time, krevans@worldnet.att.net writes: << Anybody know much about the CX500? >> As I recall the CX and its big brother the CX650 were similar in purpose to the PC with wide powerband , good gas mileage, reliable, good for commuting or light touring, low maintenance, etc. Never heard anything bad about them, just didn't sell real well as they were produced when motorcycle sales were poor in general in the early 80's Bob Ronecker 94PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Desmond Cockburn" To: mdlinkous@netlinkcorp.com Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: my $0.02; SAENG edging Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 18:50:02 PDT Mike, I just sort of guesstimated the distance around the outside of the shield and hit it fairly lucky, ended up with about an inch gap where the shield joins the fairing. I can live with that. I started out to install the Winglet System but the top wing projected into my line of vision and I just never could get used to it. It worked just like the company said it would, raised the slipstream a good six inches, so I have no complaints with that, just couldn't get used to looking through it as opposed to over it. Have you seen the driving lights that Saeng offers ? I have considered making them a winter time project and attach them to the fairing wings in front. Even though I seldom ride at night they might serve as another attention point for the cagers during the day. Stay vertical, see ya down the Road, Des, 95 PC "Dream Weaver" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 22:06:28 -0400 From: Rich Thorne To: Joyce D Calvert CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: External Power/Communication Joyce, I think a good way to go for switched power is to install an ATO fuse block and power it through a 30Amp relay that takes power directly from the battery +12 terminal. You switch the relay with the switched 12V signal available in the auxiliary connector (blue/black wire on 97 PC). This way your fuse block is only powered when the ignition is on. I mounted the fuse block and relay in the upper trunk area in one of the two channels along either side of the channel reserved for the trunk damper to fit into when the trunk is closed. You then route one fused leg (insert appropriate ATO fuse) from the fuse block to your CD player. Tap the frame ground lug on the right side of the bike to get a good ground ( or use the - battery terminal directly). If the player is compatible with use in an automobile you should not have to use a converter. I can't help with the comm system, sorry. But it can be powered from this fuse block if it accepts automotive 12VDC. The four position fuse block can be purchased at Pep Boys (do you have them in your area?) Fuse Block - Connectite #85668 ($4) The 30 Amp relay can be purchased at Radio Shack Auto Relay - 275-226 ($6) With this approach you do not have to cut into the bike wiring harness and you have three more fuse tap points that you can use for separate circuits for gauges or heated clothing and the like. I plan to write up my electrical mods soon with some more information. Good luck, rich 97 PC800 Joyce D Calvert wrote: > > This is what I want to do: > > Have communication system that allows for rider comm and CD/tape player. > > Power Source: > > Don't want to use batteries, would like to rig external power from main > fuse so power is off when bike is off, or, is there a better way? > > I have yet to get converter for CD/tape player because I'm not sure where > to start with power source. > > I have talked to: People with power sources already hooked up. Dealers > (ugh), electronic stores, auto electronic stores. I've gotten as far as > purchasing $5 worth of wiring from Radio Shack that includes in line > fuse, but have been told that it would blow my CD player unless I have a > converter somewhere. I'm getting conflicting information from every > source. The only constant one is: We don't have anything like that. I > know it's all out there, I can feel it in my bones -- and my womens' > intuition. > > Comm System: > > Have checked out Nady, Chatterbox. Who has what and what do you like or > not like about it? Which ones can be connected to power sources and > CD/tape players? > > For all the great information and gentle humor, I thank you all. Joyce > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DNCMJCMU; Fri, 04 Sep 1998 22:10:24 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: BODY PARTS: MINE & HERS ** From: annreid@juno.com (ann s reid) Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 22:10:24 EDT '89 STRING BIKINI - HANGIN' ON BY A THREAD ** Body Parts: Mine = Money To Pay for Plastic Surgery Hers = Dress-Down Friday Nite Frights 1) X-REF: REPLACING FRONT CALIPER COVERS ON AN '89 2) MEMORY JOGGER: Only the left caliper cover had a broken connection, but the right one had a crack at the same bolt receptacle, and so I ordered both pieces. They arrived promptly. Unfortunately, Honda had changed several elements in the puzzle and I had to ALSO ORDER 2 special metal brackets and 4 special screws to complete the assembly. I assembled them last night. NOT A PRETTY PICTURE! 3) FENDER SAGA CONTINUES: The color match is perfect, but they changed the tabs, tongue-groove fit and they no longer mesh (toenail together) with the original center fender. I was not a happy camper!!! This morning I ordered the fender piece for a mere $96 (*OUCH*) and told the parts mgr. that if the 3 new pieces didn't go together as advertised, I'd be bringing them back for a full refund, reinstall my old ones, and secure them duct tape spray paint the duct tape to match the pearl white. *AGGRAVATING* Can you tell I'm miffed? To be continued... Interesting to note that the parts dept. microfische still shows all the OLD '89 PC parts (pictures and part numbers) but they ship 1990 and newer replacement parts withOUT indicating there has been a change/modification/update or correcting the manual for 1989-1996. *CHEATERS* Makes it hard to know what to order as every single piece (washers, screws [singularly apropos], bolts, etc. etc.) must be ordered and paid for separately and one has no idea what will be needed till AFTER the fact. *HONDA GAMES* It's a customer test ... of faith, patience and wealth. 4) FYI: I did put the parts on my Visa so I'd have recourse ... and I saved ALL the wrapping/packaging materials -- JUST IN CASE. Actually, if it the new parts don't fit together, I'd really rather return them thru their plate glass window like the Discount Tire commercial where the little old lady (me) throws the tire thru the window. *LOVE THAT AD* Ann '89 PC BIKINI GHOST (Poor thing is even more scantily dressed than before ... and everyone knows how cold it gets here in AZ! *SYMPATHY PLEASE*) Fri. 9.4.98 18:25 MST _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "Pacific Coast Mailing List" Subject: PC800: GPS Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 21:09:16 -0400 While searching for a way to attach my GPS to my PC, I discovered a = gizmo in an army surplus kind of catalog that allows you to strap the = GPS onto your sleeve, with a little window to both view the display = through, and which allows operation of the controls. Seems perfect for = cycling. It's cordura nylon with a clear vinyl viewing window and = velcro type attachment. Comes only in olive drab, at least at this = source. The item is the Magellan Forearm Pouch, No. AG 16711 for $24.95. It is = available at U.S. Cavalry, 1-800-777-7172, www.uscav.com. Steve Z. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 22:26:50 -0400 From: Rich Thorne To: kr evans CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Question 78 CX500 I logged 25K enjoyable miles on an '80. Ultra reliable, however, check for a rear engine seal water or oil leak (apparent stains on engine case behind carburetors). Engine must be removed to replace and almost all of them leak eventually I am told. Used it mostly for shorter sport rides in the mountains. Liked it alot until I rode my '97 PC800. Now, I wouldn't want to spend any more time on its seat. Sold it to a devout minister for $1k, who appears to love it. rich '97 PC800 kr evans wrote: > > Anybody know much about the CX500? Local shop has one for sale cheap, and I > was wondering if it would be a worthwhile waste of money. Looked and > sounded slow, boring, unmanueverable, ugly, etc. Just what the doctor > ordered for when the PC goes down? > > Smiles, everyone. > KR > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 21:22:11 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 21:08:05 -0500 From: jgeistlubtx@door.net (geist, james) To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: Quick oil question Hi list. I have one question concerning Mobil Oil. What's the difference (other than the two bucks) between "Mobil Oil" and "Mobil 1 Oil"?.....I don't get it....If Mobil 1 is what a lot of you guys use, what is the advantage? It cost just as much as Honda oil , if not more .... *I'm pretty sure this subject has been covered once or twice before* Thank's. James -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: FW: PC800: Metzeler ML2's Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 21:50:04 -0400 Mike V wrote about his front Metzler: >he noted that the treads on the sides were wearing down while the >middle tread still had some life it it That's exactly how my last K177 wore. Replaced it at 12.5K miles with = essentially all the tread gone from the areas about 1" from the center = line on either side but with a millimeter or so of tread left to the = wear bar at the center. And yes, I keep the tire pressure at 33psi. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: FW: PC800: Hard Ass Syndrome Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 21:56:00 -0400 Sorry Bernie I can't resist... exactly were does the Air Rider valve attach to the rider??? :-) Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com [SMTP:BernieK469@aol.com] Sent: Friday, September 04, 1998 8:08 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Hard Ass Syndrome An alternative answer to "hard ass syndrome," other than Corbin. A buddy of mine who rides a HD had an "Air Rider" bladder installed under his saddle. It is controlled by a valve that maintains the correct pressure. Their net address is www.airrider.com Bernie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Fri, 04 Sep 1998 22:32:11 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael D. Linkous" To: "Pacific Coast" , "Desmond Cockburn" Subject: PC800: SAENG Products Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 22:31:27 -0400 Des, I figured, just by looking at the Winglets, that they might be difficult to look thru. They do have some really neat products that are styled good. I considered the Quick-Scan mirrors, but I find the PC's sufficient.... I always look back before I change lanes and feel comfortable with that. Those night cutter lights do look pretty neat... I like the description that says they are easily adjusted. {Does anyone on the list have these?} I am a klutz when it comes to wiring. I guess I would be OK at it, but just scared to try it. That is why I am scared of wiring radios, intercoms, etc. Are these lights switched or do they stay on w/ the headlight. This may solve part of the problem with the higher wattage bulb (although more expensive). I was a little dissapointed in there delay of shipping and the method of shipping. It took 10 days from the day I ordered until the item was shipped... a ittle long I think. It seems all mail-order catalogs charge shipping by price instead of weight. Everyone knows all good (and expensive) things are usually the little things. That 4 ft. of edging I ordered weighed just a few ounces but they charged me $6.50 and mailed it by USPS express mail for $3.00 and used their free mailer... [[i know, i am whining...sorry]]. Anyway, thata eding was worth every cent.... Michael L. -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Desmond Cockburn To: mdlinkous@netlinkcorp.com Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Friday, September 04, 1998 9:50 PM Subject: Re: PC800: my $0.02; SAENG edging > >Mike, > >I just sort of guesstimated the distance around the outside of the >shield and hit it fairly lucky, ended up with about an inch gap where >the shield joins the fairing. I can live with that. > >I started out to install the Winglet System but the top wing projected >into my line of vision and I just never could get used to it. It worked >just like the company said it would, raised the slipstream a good six >inches, so I have no complaints with that, just couldn't get used to >looking through it as opposed to over it. > >Have you seen the driving lights that Saeng offers ? I have considered >making them a winter time project and attach them to the fairing wings >in front. Even though I seldom ride at night they might serve as >another attention point for the cagers during the day. > >Stay vertical, see ya down the Road, > >Des, 95 PC "Dream Weaver" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Fri, 04 Sep 1998 23:10:44 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael D. Linkous" To: "Pacific Coast" Subject: PC800: speedtraps... Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 23:10:45 -0400 I was just surfing and found an interesting site... www.speedtrap.com It lists various speedtraps by state... may pay you to check it out before that next trip. Wondering how accurate it really is??? ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- Michael D. Linkous Bluefield, WV www.angelfire.com/wv/mlink/index.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Another Old Newbie Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 05:17:05 +0200 >> ...I have been looking hard at the Honda VT600CD (Pacific Coast) but am >> wondering if this 600 bike will haul my 5'9", 200# bod around o.k.... > I missed this message somehow. I don't get it, is the original writer confusing the PC800 with the VT600CD (Shadow) ? Someone please explain. >Isn't this a Shadow? The Honda XL600V Transalp would certainly haul you >around without problems. It has more horsepower and less weight than >the PC800 Pacific Coast. > But also less torque, which is pretty usefull when hauling heavy loads, more than horsepower. I'm pretty light (145lbs) and remember performance getting noticeable worse when riding two up on my previous XJ600S, 4 cilinder, 60hp, 192kgs Yamaha. The difference on the PC is much smaller. I also heard of a friend of mine, who owned a Transalp, that it didn't have so much performance. I'm looking at it's specs here, and it has only 50hp, probably less on the rear wheel than a PC, certainly not more horsepower. It is light (174kgs). I think the PC is bound to be better at hauling heavy loads. If your looking for a high performance all-road bike, you better look at the Honda XRV750 Africa Twin (62 hp, probably plenty torque, 221kgs). If you're looking for a Honda Shadow, you're on the wrong list. I remember one message a while back of a heavy person, selling his PC because he thought the PC didn't have enough 'umpf' to haul his body around. I believe he went for a Wing. Hopes this helps, ___ [_ mile Nossin '90 PC800 "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Holland, Santpoort 'Never look back upon your live and say: " I should have done that....."' http://www.angelfire.com/nh/Nossin ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. X-UID: 0007fb17 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 23:24:34 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Trunk Bags To: jdc84@juno.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: PC800_List@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 List) jdc84@juno.com,Internet writes: >Anybody have any trunk bags for the PC for sale? Or know a place that >sells them for a decent price? > >Email me direct. Thanks. Joyce I got mine from my Honda dealer in July. I don't have my invoice here, but I thought the price was not unreasonable for waterpfoof nylon bags custom sized to the trunk interior. Honda's website lists them as $62 a pair. I think I got 10% off that. Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 23:30:17 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Donald Mackie Subject: Re: PC800: Question 78 CX500 KR: as former owner of a mint '80 CX500, I can assure you that these are, like the PC, too heavy, not especially rapid, kinda ugly, not bad handling and within limits, dead reliable. In short, an excellent steed as a spare to the PC, assuming your purchase price is no more than $5-600 for a unit that's in decent shape. Note that the CX's Achilles Heel is the mechanical seal on the water pump. It's a real pain in the ass to repair yourself and a fairly expensive dealer fix. Although not greatly successful in this country, CX's are approaching cult status on the continent and in England (where they were, and still are, used as despatch machines). Good luck... At 09:14 PM 9/4/98 -0400, you wrote: >Anybody know much about the CX500? Local shop has one for sale cheap, and I >was wondering if it would be a worthwhile waste of money. Looked and >sounded slow, boring, unmanueverable, ugly, etc. Just what the doctor >ordered for when the PC goes down? > >Smiles, everyone. >KR > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Map Holder Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 05:37:54 +0200 -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Eric Prior Datum: vrijdag 4 september 1998 23:05 >I have seen in the Motoport catalog a map holder that is attached to the >tank with suction cups (~$19) - seems to be specifically designed for >bikes with plastic tanks. Does anyone on this list have experience with >this type of map holder? > I have a mapholder with suction cups. It works great, small enough to have room for the gascap-door to open, big enough for the map to just fit in. I have one 'Route66'-chopper style, with the cups attached to the ends of 6 leather straps. This is not usefull, allthough it doesn't really cause a problem if I put it on backwards (not up side down offcourse). I didn't really look around enough. I saw one later with the cups under two flaps, adjacent to the mapholder, much nicer and handier. Dunno what's available in the States. Be sure to check the cups before you buy. The first one I tried had one leak suction cup. Try it on your bike first too, to be sure it isn't too big between the handlebars (so you don't have to put the cups on the grey dash) or to see if your knees aren't touching the cups, for example. Be carefull every time when removing the mapholder. Those cups wear easy if you rip 'm off every time. And don't stare at the map/route while riding, you can't trust your feel of balance while not looking at a horizon (vertigo). ___ [_ mile Nossin '90 PC800 "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Holland, Santpoort 'Never look back upon your live and say: " I should have done that....."' http://www.angelfire.com/nh/Nossin ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 00:11:06 EDT To: BernieK469@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Hard Ass Syndrome I just this week had a cell foam insert installed inside my stock seat on my '95 PC. It is more firm and I dont sink down as far when I am ridin. Took a 100 mile ride yesterday and it was fine. Going to do 200 or so tomorrow. Wheelchair paitents use them to keep from getting sores so I am going to give it a try for the same reason. A 300lb friend had a Travelcade saddle on a 600 Shadow and he claimed that butt-burn was never a problem. His had the gel already in it so I am giving it a try. Russ Vernon '95 PC "Sambo" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 00:11:07 EDT To: mdlinkous@netlinkcorp.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: speedtraps... Well, there's one sure fire way to find out, aint there? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "kr evans" cc: "pc800" From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Question 78 CX500 of "Fri, 04 Sep 1998 21:14:46 EDT." <01bdd86a$92193360$29242499@default> Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 23:39:39 -0500 "kr evans" writes: > Anybody know much about the CX500? Local shop has one for sale cheap, and I > was wondering if it would be a worthwhile waste of money. Looked and > sounded slow, boring, unmanueverable, ugly, etc. Just what the doctor > ordered for when the PC goes down? Had one once. While some complain the PC needs a 6th gear, the '78 CX500 really badly needed a 6th gear. Sold it and a couple of years later picked up an '84 VT500 Ascot. The Ascot runs and sounds very similar to the CX500, only 100 pounds lighter and much narrower. Come to think of it, the Ascot is essentially a naked 500cc PC. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) Sat, 5 Sep 1998 04:47:29 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 00:41:50 -0400 From: Richard Julia To: mashaw@mindspring.com CC: "Gregg L. DesElms" , PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: K555 on '89 PC Monty Shaw wrote: > Wow, thanks for THE definitive answer on 89s and the K555. > > It sounds like I should take this opportunity to put a > Metzler ML2 on the rear. Do you think it will matter that > there is a K177 on the front? It still has lots of tread > left, so I'd like to keep it and save up for a ML2. > > Thanks again. > ]Monty[ > 89 'Sailor Moon' I'm running a fairly new ML2 on the rear with the original Dunlop 177 on the front of my '94 with no problems (15,150 miles). I plan on switching to an ML2 in front within the next 2k miles. Rick -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DNDNRF58; Sat, 05 Sep 1998 07:51:00 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: krevans@worldnet.att.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 07:43:04 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Question 78 CX500 From: miketwh@juno.com (Mike T Whited) Don't talk about our ancestors that way! Er our PC's ancestors anyway! The CX500 was the forerunner to the shadow which we all know the PC is a direct decendant. :-) Mike Whited ' 94 PC On Fri, 4 Sep 1998 21:14:46 -0400 "kr evans" writes: >Anybody know much about the CX500? Local shop has one for sale cheap, >and I >was wondering if it would be a worthwhile waste of money. Looked and >sounded slow, boring, unmanueverable, ugly, etc. Just what the doctor >ordered for when the PC goes down? > >Smiles, everyone. >KR > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "Michael D. Linkous" Cc: "Pacific Coast Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: GPS Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 09:23:03 -0400 You asked about my GPS. I have two, both Magellan's. The first is a = 2000Xl, which you can get for around $170. I bought it for myself for = use when kayaking. Then for Christmas, a friend bought me one which I = believe is called a Pioneer. You can get one for about $89. The 2000XL = has lots of advanced features, and the antenna is questionably reliable = under certain conditions. The Pioneer is a real champ, which I've ended = up using the most because its antenna is so sensitive. For cycling (motor or bi-) I've used the GPS to help me find certain = locations. I use Delorme's Map-n-Go software to give me the = coordinates, which I program into the GPS in advance. The GPS then = keeps me apprised of just how far I am from my destination, and in a = pinch, if I get "misplaced", it can actually direct me how to get there. = A couple of times, I have programmed in trips with "legs", so the GPS = actually tells me how far 'til my next turn, etc. =20 One of my favorite things to do with it, once I've gotten to my = destination, is to use it to "free ride" home. You can forget the maps = and road signs (with the possible exception of "dead end") and just ride = in the general direction the GPS suggests to get you home. It's a great = way to "discover" new places and things, and works amazingly well. The 2000XL also records a line-map tracing of your route, which has come = in handy for a couple of tasks I've put it to. I still prefer the = 2000XL for boating, especially in the fog. All being said and done, GPS is just a different way of navigating. = Some are more confused by it, but I like it, probably because it reminds = me of my piloting days. I sometimes like to think of my PC as a = "land-plane" anyway, since I get many of the same feelings while riding = as I used to get flying. Steve Z. Pioneer.  You=20 can get one for about $89.  The 2000XL has lots of advanced = features, and=20 the antenna is questionably reliable under certain conditions.  The = Pioneer=20 is a real champ, which I've ended up using the most because its antenna = is so=20 sensitive.
 
For cycling (motor or bi-) I've used the GPS to help = me find=20 certain locations.  I use Delorme's Map-n-Go software to give me = the=20 coordinates, which I program into the GPS in advance.  The GPS then = keeps=20 me apprised of just how far I am from my destination, and in a pinch, if = I get=20 "misplaced", it can actually direct me how to get there.  = A=20 couple of times, I have programmed in trips with "legs", so = the GPS=20 actually tells me how far 'til my next turn, etc. 
 
One of my favorite things to do with it, once I've = gotten to=20 my destination, is to use it to "free ride" home.  You = can forget=20 the maps and road signs (with the possible exception of "dead = end")=20 and just ride in the general direction the GPS suggests to get you = home. =20 It's a great way to "discover" new places and things, and = works=20 amazingly well.
 
The 2000XL also records a line-map tracing of your = route,=20 which has come in handy for a couple of tasks I've put it to.  I = still=20 prefer the 2000XL for boating, especially in the fog.
 
All being said and done, GPS is just a different way = of=20 navigating.  Some are more confused by it, but I like it, probably = because=20 it reminds me of my piloting days.  I sometimes like to think of my = PC as a=20 "land-plane" anyway, since I get many of the same feelings = while=20 riding as I used to get flying.
 
Steve Z.
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "The Broeking's" To: "Pacific Coast Mailing List" Subject: PC800: GPS - Street Pilot - Long Distance Riding Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 10:51:12 -0400 And even another way to go is with the "Street Pilot" (approx. $500) = that has built in maps on most roads in the US. They also sell city = cartridges for minute detail down to a small streets. By using the Map = and Go software mentioned below you can upload your route and never use = a map again. It shows your progress on a electronic map and tells you = how far and how many minutes to the next turn until you arrive EXACTLY = where you wanted. The Long Distance Riders use it for IRONBUTT and = similar long rides across country. If you are interested you can visit = some LDIR sites or joining their listserver. They are generally great = people on that list also just like the PC List.=20 A couple of LDIR sites for starters are: http://www.ironbutt.com/ http://www.ronayres.com/index.htm http://www.abt-compost.com/LDR.html There is a review of the Street Pilot on one of these pages or a link to = it written by Don Moses, a wing pilot. FYI. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Steven R. Zweigart To: Michael D. Linkous Cc: Pacific Coast Mailing List Date: Saturday, September 05, 1998 10:16 AM Subject: Re: PC800: GPS =20 =20 You asked about my GPS. I have two, both Magellan's. The first is = a 2000Xl, which you can get for around $170. I bought it for myself for = use when kayaking. Then for Christmas, a friend bought me one which I = believe is called a Pioneer. You can get one for about $89. The 2000XL = has lots of advanced features, and the antenna is questionably reliable = under certain conditions. The Pioneer is a real champ, which I've ended = up using the most because its antenna is so sensitive. =20 For cycling (motor or bi-) I've used the GPS to help me find certain = locations. I use Delorme's Map-n-Go software to give me the = coordinates, which I program into the GPS in advance. The GPS then = keeps me apprised of just how far I am from my destination, and in a = pinch, if I get "misplaced", it can actually direct me how to get there. = A couple of times, I have programmed in trips with "legs", so the GPS = actually tells me how far 'til my next turn, etc. =20 =20 One of my favorite things to do with it, once I've gotten to my = destination, is to use it to "free ride" home. You can forget the maps = and road signs (with the possible exception of "dead end") and just ride = in the general direction the GPS suggests to get you home. It's a great = way to "discover" new places and things, and works amazingly well. =20 The 2000XL also records a line-map tracing of your route, which has = come in handy for a couple of tasks I've put it to. I still prefer the = 2000XL for boating, especially in the fog. =20 All being said and done, GPS is just a different way of navigating. = Some are more confused by it, but I like it, probably because it reminds = me of my piloting days. I sometimes like to think of my PC as a = "land-plane" anyway, since I get many of the same feelings while riding = as I used to get flying. =20 Steve Z. Pioneer. =20 You can get one for about $89.  The 2000XL has lots of advanced = features, and the antenna is questionably reliable under certain=20 conditions.  The Pioneer is a real champ, which I've ended up = using the=20 most because its antenna is so sensitive.
 
For cycling (motor or bi-) I've used the GPS to = help me=20 find certain locations.  I use Delorme's Map-n-Go software to = give me=20 the coordinates, which I program into the GPS in advance.  The = GPS then=20 keeps me apprised of just how far I am from my destination, and in a = pinch,=20 if I get "misplaced", it can actually direct me how to get = there.  A couple of times, I have programmed in trips with=20 "legs", so the GPS actually tells me how far 'til my next = turn,=20 etc. 
 
One of my favorite things to do with it, once = I've gotten=20 to my destination, is to use it to "free ride" home.  = You can=20 forget the maps and road signs (with the possible exception of = "dead=20 end") and just ride in the general direction the GPS suggests = to get=20 you home.  It's a great way to "discover" new places = and=20 things, and works amazingly well.
 
The 2000XL also records a line-map tracing of = your route,=20 which has come in handy for a couple of tasks I've put it to.  = I still=20 prefer the 2000XL for boating, especially in the fog.
 
All being said and done, GPS is just a different = way of=20 navigating.  Some are more confused by it, but I like it, = probably=20 because it reminds me of my piloting days.  I sometimes like to = think=20 of my PC as a "land-plane" anyway, since I get many of the = same=20 feelings while riding as I used to get flying.
 
Steve = Z.
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 09:19:45 -0700 From: Bob Anundson To: pc800 Subject: PC800: '94 PC for sale I've decided to get out of motorcycling and am selling my '94 PC. It has under 11k miles on it and I think it is in excellant shape. In addition to the standard accessaries it has a 22" Rife windshield which is practically new and a new K&N airfilter. I have wired it for an accessory plug as well. I am asking $4,700 FOB Portland Oregon. Regards, Bob Anundson -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "Pacific Coast Mailing List" Subject: PC800: Rifle Windshield System Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 23:36:57 -0400 Well, some of you'se guys out there have convinced me to go and spend a = couple of Franklins on a Rifle Windshield system. It should be here in = about 2 weeks. I'm hoping that when it arrives, I'll find it at least = somewhat easy to put in, but I want advice on this matter before I dig = in too deep.=20 So, is it something I should be able to do myself? Do instructions come = with the kit? Any special tools I should be gathering? Any hints or = tips from the Experienced Wise? =20 Would I be better off taking it to the dealer? Steve Z. system.  It should be here in about 2 weeks.  I'm hoping that = when it=20 arrives, I'll find it at least somewhat easy to put in, but I want = advice on=20 this matter before I dig in too deep. 
 
So, is it something I should be able to do = myself?  Do=20 instructions come with the kit?  Any special tools I should be=20 gathering?  Any hints or tips from the Experienced Wise? =20
 
Would I be better off taking it to the = dealer?
 
 
Steve Z.
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 23:54:03 -0400 From: Pat McNew To: Honda Pacific Coast Group Subject: PC800: How to reduce you fuel mileage Coasters: You know the story. I was late, but this time to the visitation of my wife's uncle at a funeral home some 60 miles up the Interstate. Should I take the cage or the PC800? It would mean a return trip in the dark. Oh what the hey, I chose two wheels over four. I hadn't gone two miles on the Interstate when a black Chevy Tahoe blew by adjusting his radar detector. I fell in line about 500 yards back. With him out there looking for the LEOs in his large hunk of metal, we ran 90 MPH all the way to my exit. Certainly an exhilarating ride. The PC performed flawlessly. Bring on those idiots on the sport bikes :) One observation -- a Tahoe messes up the air for a ways behind it. It was much smoother when I was in a different lane. (Mini-vans, too.) I followed my wife back at 75 MPH. The net result 41.5 MPG instead of my usual 49-50 MPG. Pat McNew 1996 PC800 4460 (S)miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 23:53:59 EDT To: steve_z@may-uky.campus.mci.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Rifle Windshield System I have installed a tall Honda windshield and it's no snap. It is best done with 2 people with hopefully one of them at least knowing what he is doing. The dealers in the Nashville area only charge 1/2 hour labor for the job and as far as I am concerned it is a bargain. It is really hard to get it positioned just right and I will gladly pay to have it done before I attempt to do it again. I am a stickler about doing things myself as far as my PC is concerned, but not in this case. Russ Vernon '95 PC "Sam bo" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Don Bennett" To: "Steven R. Zweigart" , "Pacific Coast Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: Rifle Windshield System Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 21:04:43 -0700 Their written instructions say to NOT TIGHTEN the little black nuts and = bolts TOO TIGHTLY. Heed that warning. You can see that all the = hardware does is to hold the windscreen in contact with the black sticky = pad. I tightened mine too much and ended up with hairline cracks. = Other than that, easy installation -- took me less than an hour. Don Bennett 97 PC-800 The Grateful Red -----Original Message----- From: Steven R. Zweigart To: Pacific Coast Mailing List Date: Saturday, September 05, 1998 8:46 PM Subject: PC800: Rifle Windshield System =20 =20 Well, some of you'se guys out there have convinced me to go and = spend a couple of Franklins on a Rifle Windshield system. It should be = here in about 2 weeks. I'm hoping that when it arrives, I'll find it at = least somewhat easy to put in, but I want advice on this matter before I = dig in too deep.=20 =20 So, is it something I should be able to do myself? Do instructions = come with the kit? Any special tools I should be gathering? Any hints = or tips from the Experienced Wise? =20 =20 Would I be better off taking it to the dealer? =20 =20 Steve Z. hairline=20 cracks.  Other than that, easy installation -- took me less than an = hour.
 
Don Bennett
97 PC-800
The Grateful Red
 
 
 
 
 
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Steven R. Zweigart <steve_z@may-uky.campus.mci= .net>
To:=20 Pacific Coast Mailing List <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Date:=20 Saturday, September 05, 1998 8:46 PM
Subject: PC800: = Rifle=20 Windshield System

Well, some of you'se guys out = there have=20 convinced me to go and spend a couple of Franklins on a Rifle = Windshield=20 system.  It should be here in about 2 weeks.  I'm hoping = that when=20 it arrives, I'll find it at least somewhat easy to put in, but I = want advice=20 on this matter before I dig in too deep. 
 
So, is it something I should be able to do = myself? =20 Do instructions come with the kit?  Any special tools I should = be=20 gathering?  Any hints or tips from the Experienced Wise? =20
 
Would I be better off taking it to the=20 dealer?
 
 
Steve = Z.
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 00:02:48 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 23:48:39 -0500 From: jgeistlubtx@door.net (geist, james) To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: Harley Open House..What a joke. Hi Listers. I went to the local open house at the Harley dealership the other day.. Their giving away a new '99 Harley. Thought I'd sign-up. I haven't felt that uncomfortable in a long time. Most of the "people" there, (not all), were basically jerks. If you didn't ride up on the fattest hog, have the most tattoos, have the longest (uncombed) hair w/ bandana, they would just kinda look at ya...(You've seen that look before, *The lights are on, but nobody's home*) I really don't understand why they act the way they do. I was impressed......NOT... Why did I sign up for the Harley you ask?...I figure if I win, I can sell the HOG and pay off my truck. With the left over cash, a new Honda would be nice. Later, James Lubbock, Tx. '90 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 09:04:50 EDT To: jgeistlubtx@door.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Harley Open House..What a joke. YO! James! I guess that we have all "been there-done that" as far as some Harley riders go. I mean, it's as if one has to pass a brain dead requrement before one can take possession ot his or her new Harley. A couple of years ago I was riding my PC in Nashville when I heard someone yell out "Buy American!" I looked around but did not see who yelled it. A couple of blocks later I was passed by the "yeller" as he screamed out "Japanese bikes are PIECES OF SHIT!" as he passed me in his battered old pick-up with a Harley-Davidson decal filling up most of his rear window. Was he in a Dodge or Chevy? Perhaps maybe a Ford or GMC? No, no, no, and no. He was driving a Datsun! What is with some of these idiots that think that to own things likes cars, stereos, TVs, microwave ovens, watches, cameras, VCRs, etc., that are made in Japan is OK, but for some obscure reason motorcycles have to be assembled in Wisconson to be worth owning? And I say "assembled" because all Harleys are a virtual plethora of foreign made parts all rolled together to make one piece of rolling machinery. If you were to goto a Harley dealer and buy a new model and instruct the dealer that you wanted all of the Jap made stuff taken off, well then brother, you had better bring a wheelbarrow with you when you pick up what is left of your bike because chances are you wont be even able to roll it out the door, let alone ride it. Of course, most Harley riders are not of this ilk, most buy their bikes for the same reason that you and I do- because that is the bike that they want! And no other reason. These knuckle dragging Neanderthals like to look down their noses at us for basically one simple reason: We ride superior machines and they just can't stand it. Sure, the nose-picking nimrods out there that think "mother" is only half a word can take pride in their mounts as that is their right. Where I get bent is when they want to belittle me for not wanting to ride the same thing that they do. To them I have this to say: Grow up. Just grow the hell up and if you feel so much hatred towards Japanese motorcycles than don't be a half-assed bigot about it- sell, throw or give away every blessed thing that you own that comes from acorss the Pacific. And make sure that every single part on your bike has "made in the USA" on it as well. If you want to do all that THEN you may put down Jap bikes if you wish, but you know what? You would still be an idiot. Russ Vernon '95 PC "Sambo" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: Cc: "Pacific Coast Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: Harley Open House..What a joke. Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 09:42:37 -0400 I've had the same situation occur in a much closer setting. My church, First Presbyterian Church of Maysville, Kentucky, has its congregational roots in this vicinity since the late 1700's. The average age of our congregation reflects this history, as is evidenced by the blue hues reflecting off of the hair on Sunday mornings. We were pleased and amazed when a couple and their teenage son started attending our church, with the guy wearing a leather jacket with a large conspicuous eagle on the back. We talked motorcylce quite a bit, with him sharing stories of his travels, trials, and tribulations. This was fine, until I bought my Honda "Jap crap" as he calls it. He now changes the subject whenever I try to talk motorcycles, and uses the foregoing derogatory term as frequently as he can. He really seems to take my choice of bike quite personally, and I find his attitude to be somewhat disturbing. At least I have the satisfaction of knowing that I probably will not be spending the endless hours jocking tools on the shoulder of a road to keep my bike running. And I'll not develop a hearing deficit from hours of riding atop a roaring machine. And I'll not have to depend on Viagra to get my jollies due to a numbed hoo-ha caused by excessive engine vibration. Sure, I'd like the opportunity to ride a Harley some time. Who knows, I may even decide I want one some day. Right now, I value my PC based on design, performance, function, and style. I won't judge their preferences if they won't judge mine. As for the guy driving the Datsun with the Harley sticker in the back window: (1) The phrases he was shouting out the window probably constituted a large percentage of his total vocabulary. (2) The Harley probably spends as much time in the bed of the truck as it does on the highway. (3) Who cares. Steve Z. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 10:44:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 10:44:29 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: How to reduce you fuel mileage Hi, Pat: Yep! Speed and good fuel mileage don't go together. I learned this same lesson when I took my old Gold Wing to Germany many years ago. The old GL used to get in the low to middle 40s here in the US. But on the autobahn, I got one 5-gal. tankful out the tailpipe in just under 125 miles. After that, I slowed down to about 85mph most of the time. Milage went up to the high 30s, a reasonable compromise I thought in those days. The PC does a little better than the GL in the mileage department, but it too suffers the penalties that aerodynamic drag imposes when the speedometer needle is in the high end of it range. The worst I've gotten on my PC has been 36 mpg. That was with the Hondaline tall windscreen and stock air filter and running at about 85 mph in eastern Colorado against a 20 knot headwind. On the other side of this coin, I recently rode the PC to Portsmouth, VA for a motorcycle-safety conference. On one leg of the trip, I putted along US 58 in southern Virginia at a mind-numbing 55-60 mph (The Virginia Gestapo was out in their usual oppressive number). The PC, with its -5-in "summer" windscreen and K&N air filter, turned in an astounding 64.5 mpg for one tank and 62.7 for another tank. I was impressed--bored, sleepy, but impressed. J.T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 09:56:08 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: Pat McNew CC: Honda Pacific Coast Group Subject: Re: PC800: How to reduce you fuel mileage If you still got 41 at 90 you are doing great. I get less than 30 at sustained 90s. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 46 Liter GIVI Bag, Rifle Shield, and too many other options to list. (My Wife might see!) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Desmond Cockburn" To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: fsl@borgconsulting.com Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 07:58:28 PDT Francois, Actually I had considered an aiming point for the Saeng lights that was just about car bumper high and more to each side in order to light the ditches. The ability to see the reflective eyes of varmits, ie, deer, cows, coyotes, possums, armadillos, beavers, raccoons and other creatures that are active at night, early morning or late evening can give one that extra second to either plan or carry out evasive maneuvers. I have about as much respect for the creatures of the night's ability to dump a bike as I do for the cagers. I rode in file with a guy who had his running lights aimed in that direction and it sure made a difference in picking out stuff that could jump out of the dark and bite ya ! hehe But, the lights are like number 6 on a list of stuff I want to do for the PC. Some tasteful but effective auxiliary brake lights being #1 followed by mud flaps for the front and rear and so on. This list has been a real help in sorting out the little tinker projects. See ya down the Road, Des ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP Sun, 6 Sep 1998 16:06:26 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Gregg L. DesElms" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: K555 on '89 PC Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 12:06:04 -0400 -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Monty Shaw To: Gregg L. DesElms ; PC800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Friday, September 04, 1998 5:42 PM Subject: Re: PC800: K555 on '89 PC >Wow, thanks for THE definitive answer on 89s and the K555. > >It sounds like I should take this opportunity to put a >Metzler ML2 on the rear. Do you think it will matter that >there is a K177 on the front? Personally, no. But I'm guessing that several other list members -- especially those partial to the Metzelers -- may have differing opinions. I think most tire manufacturers, citing safety concerns, would say that you should have matching tires on front and rear. And I'm sure there actually *are* safety considerations worthy of note. But I'm not so sure it matters so much that you get matching brand names and series as it is that you get essentially matching types on the front and rear. Personally I wouldn't, for example, want both a relatively soft tire and a relatively hard tire on my bike at the same time. Or an agressive tread and a not-so-agressive tread. I'd want both my front and rear tire to be of basically the same type and design regardless of brand. Obviously the easiest way to ensure this is to buy tires in pairs and of the same manufactur and series. I don't know what your experience has been, but I've found that my tires -- front and rear -- tend to wear out at roughly the same time. Therefore, I am typically able to always buy new tires in pairs. I suppose if one were an agressive rider and did a lot of jackrabbit starts and things like that, one's rear tire would wear out faster. (Yamaha V-Max owners can readily attest to that!) Still, one way that you can simply avoid this dilemma is to just purchase a set of either Dunlops or Metzelers (or Bridgestones or whatever you want to purchase) at the same time and just be done with it. That's just my $.02 worth. Gregg DesElms deselms@royal.net '89 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP Sun, 6 Sep 1998 16:38:46 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Gregg L. DesElms" To: "Steven R. Zweigart" , "Pacific Coast Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: Rifle Windshield System Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 12:38:25 -0400 >-----Original Message----- >From: Steven R. Zweigart >To: Pacific Coast Mailing List >Date: Saturday, September 05, 1998 11:46 PM >Subject: PC800: Rifle Windshield System > >Well, some of you'se guys out there have convinced me to go >and spend a couple of Franklins on a Rifle Windshield system. >It should be here in about 2 weeks. I'm hoping that when it >arrives, I'll find it at least somewhat easy to put in, but I >want advice on this matter before I dig in too deep. > >So, is it something I should be able to do myself? Do instructions >come with the kit? Any special tools I should be gathering? Any >hints or tips from the Experienced Wise? > >Would I be better off taking it to the dealer? Depends on how handy you are. No one knows better than you what your capabilities are. It's not a hard job. If you're even a little bit good with your hands you should be able to handle it with few problems. It should take about an hour -- perhaps a bit longer if you're like me and you're from the "measure twice, cut once" school of thought and you want to take it slowly and get it right the first time. Here are a few things that might be helpful: The Rifle comes in two pieces -- a black plastic base unit and then the windshield itself. The base unit mounts to the same holes as your existing Honda shield is now mounted. The Rifle shield mounts to the Rifle base unit with a half-dozen or so plastic screws and nuts. Note that there is a crescent-shaped plastic trim piece the same color as your bike that wraps around immediately in front of your existing Honda windshield. That will have to come off, of course, to remove your existing shield and mount your new Rifle base unit. (You'll learn all about removing your mirrors in order to accomplish that one!) The first problem you're going to have is that the black base unit is made of plastic that is very rigid (compared with the Honda windshield you'll be removing) and a tiny bit thicker than the plastic of the Honda windshield. Consequently, when the crescent-shaped plastic trim piece is replaced, it will not fit-up as well as it did before you removed it. Short of taking a sander to the base unit to remove a few mils of its thickness (which I do *NOT* recommend), there seems no way to avoid this minor but nevertheless irritating little consequence. There is a strip of foam tape traversing the part of the base unit where the shield itself is mounted. While this tape is necessary to act as a shock absorber and to give the shield some flexability against the wind, it also baits you to overtighten the plastic mounting screws. The Rifle is made of a material that is harder and less flexible than the Honda shield. As you snug-down the plastic mounting screws which hold the Rifle shield to the base, the foam tape will deceive you into believing that it's not tight enough when, in fact, it is. If you overtighten, tiny, unsightly cracks will pop into the shield's plastic near the mounting holes. In a previous posting several months ago, I provided my $.02 worth on how to more or less precisely determine the appropriate amount of tightness as you're tightening. It should be in the archives. You should be able to search for it using keywords like "Rifle" "DesElms" "tighten" and things like that. If you can't find it let me know and I'll reprise it for you. Gregg DesElms deselms@royal.net '89 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jpatton@neptune.ConnectI.com Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 13:28:36 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Shadow Backrest (Sorry not PC related) I spoke with someone on this list that knew of a DRIVERS backrest for a Shadow 1100 fot $100. I seem to have lost the email with the info you gave me, if you are still on the list, please resend! JPAtton 89 PC 94 Shadow -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 14:33:11 -0500 From: The Ludingtons To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Wing list... Does anyone know what the same list is titled for the Goldwing riders?....Thanks. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: Cc: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Wing list... Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 22:21:26 +0200 -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: The Ludingtons Datum: zondag 6 september 1998 21:53 >Does anyone know what the same list is titled for the Goldwing >riders?....Thanks. >-- A lot of motorcycle mailing lists can be found via: http://www.micapeak.com/mailinglistroundup/ Good luck. ___ [_ mile Nossin '90 PC800 "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Holland, Santpoort 'Never look back upon your live and say: " I should have done that....."' http://www.angelfire.com/nh/Nossin ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 16:42:45 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: lud96@netdirect.net CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Wing list... The Ludingtons wrote: > > Does anyone know what the same list is titled for the Goldwing > riders?....Thanks. > Go here http://www.armchair.mb.ca/~dave/bikes/winglist.html I have been on it along time, and it is mainly bilge right now, but if you use their archives, you can find an answer to just about anything. The problem with the list right now is that they have hashed over all the subjects and there is nothing left to talk about so there are about two dozen who do nothing but jabber back and forth. Good luck TommyTeal -- 93SE(Teal, you think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast 98V-Star(Red? you bet) GWTA of Michigan web site http://my.voyager.net/gwta/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 18:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 18:59:48 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: RE: Tail Light Replacement My right tail light is burned out. The brake light and turn signal still work. How difficult is it to get to the tail light (What is the procedure?) Is it easier to have the dealer do it? Is it possible to get a replacement bulb anywhere but Honda? Thanks in advance. Bernie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 0122 ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with SMTP ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 22:05:05 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Roger Nash Subject: PC800: Traveling with my PC I have just returned from a week long trip from Kansas to Tennessee on my 94 PC800. I purchased the bike used in early August and now have about 3K added on to the 7K it had when I got it. I started my ride last Saturday morning early and traveled on I-70 thru Kansas City and St. Louis. I rode the bike to Paducah Kentucky the first day, a distance of about 750 miles. The bike performed flawlessly but I was more than a bit saddle sore at the end of the day. My previious bike was a 82 Suzuki GS1100GL and I believe it might have had a better seat than my PC. To be fair, I never rode that kind of distance on any bike before so it is hard to judge farily. There was no comparison as regards the wind protection and smoothness of the bike in general. Love the way the bike handles and balances at all speeds. The roads arround middle Tennesse were just what the PC was made for. Plenty of twisty, curvy roads and very well maintained. In some places the trees provided a canopy so it seemed like ridding thru a tunnel. This probably means little to you people who live in those areas but to a boy from western Kansas it was pretty neat stuff let me tell you! The return trip was thru southern Missouri on Highway 60. This is a pretty good road and runs part way thur the Mark Twain National forrest. Very pretty place, probably spectacular when the leaves start to turn. It was very hot on Saturday. In Winfield Kansas the bank thermometer read 108 degrees! I kept cool by soaking my tee shirt in water about every fifty miles. Also drank lots of GATORADE! All things considered, it was a very nice trip, probably the longest one I will take for quite a while. Regards to All, Roger -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Rain-X From: Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org (Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council) Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 20:58:36 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (Pacific Coast List) On Fri, Sep 4, 1998, 12:52:23 AM GMT jhart@mail.lewiston.lib.me.us wrote: >Absolutely right. The previous owner of mine used it and it caused some >kind of coating on the windshield to shrink and split open. > So that's what happened to the tall windshield on my friend's recently- purchased '89 PC800. It sure is a weird phenomenon. It looks like someone shrinkwrapped the windscreen and then left it too close to a fire. Greg Torok -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Harley Open House..What a joke. of "Sat, 05 Sep 1998 23:48:39 CDT." <35F21427.E6094EBD@door.net> Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 22:45:09 -0500 geist, james writes: > Hi Listers. > I went to the local open house at the Harley dealership the other day.. > Their giving away a new '99 Harley. Thought I'd sign-up. > I haven't felt that uncomfortable in a long time. Most of the "people" > there, (not all), were basically jerks. If you didn't ride up on the > fattest hog, have the most tattoos, have the longest (uncombed) hair w/ > bandana, they would just kinda look at ya...(You've seen that look > before, *The lights are on, but nobody's home*) > I really don't understand why they act the way they do. I was > impressed......NOT... For maximum effect show up at a Harley shop with a *touring* jacket, gloves, helmet any color but black, and a dress tie and shirt under the jacket. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Rifle Windshield System of "Sun, 06 Sep 1998 12:38:25 EDT." <006701bdd9b4$c5a04e80$12d2d2d2@deselms> Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 22:41:13 -0500 "Gregg L. DesElms" writes: > The first problem you're going to have is that the black base unit is > made of plastic that is very rigid (compared with the Honda windshield > you'll be removing) and a tiny bit thicker than the plastic of the > Honda windshield. Consequently, when the crescent-shaped plastic trim > piece is replaced, it will not fit-up as well as it did before you > removed it. Short of taking a sander to the base unit to remove a few > mils of its thickness (which I do *NOT* recommend), there seems no way > to avoid this minor but nevertheless irritating little consequence. While I had problems mounting my Rifle system, the above was not one of them. I had problems with the Rifle mounting "holes" not aligning with the Honda holes. Wallered out the center and got a fit. Then found the right side windshield holes were 1/4" higher than the left side. Still haven't corrected this (flu sorta interfers with these plans) but intend to redrill the Rifle base. Expect I could have ordered a replacement under warranty but decided the hassle of putting my PC back together (and later having to do it all over again) and paying to ship parts back was much greater than a few moments with a Dremel tool. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Question 78 CX500 From: Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org (Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council) Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 21:36:24 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) On Sat, Sep 5, 1998, 1:14:46 AM GMT kr evans wrote: >Anybody know much about the CX500? Local shop has one for sale cheap, and I >was wondering if it would be a worthwhile waste of money. Looked and >sounded slow, boring, unmanueverable, ugly, etc. Just what the doctor >ordered for when the PC goes down? I'm not too proud to admit that this is one of my favorite motorcycles. It reminds me of a little tractor. These things simply won't die. They always start, rarely need any attention or maintenance, they're good on fuel, etc. Just keep an eye on the single front disc brake. The caliper seems to get stiff if not used regularly, especially if it's stored outside. A friend of mine recently acquired one which was involved in a head-on crash into a newer pickup-truck at a combined speed of around 40 mph. The CX suffered a couple of hundred dollars damage (front forks, healight, one signal, handlebars--all available from a salvage shop), the truck sustained $4000 worth of damage and did not drive away from the accident (they don't make them like they used to). The CX rider was extremely lucky and got off with only a broken arm. Greg Torok -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP Mon, 7 Sep 1998 05:40:53 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Gregg L. DesElms" To: , "David Kelly" Subject: Re: PC800: Rifle Windshield System Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 01:40:29 -0400 -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: David Kelly To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Monday, September 07, 1998 12:17 AM Subject: Re: PC800: Rifle Windshield System >"Gregg L. DesElms" writes: >> The first problem you're going to have is that the black base unit is >> made of plastic that is very rigid (compared with the Honda windshield >> you'll be removing) and a tiny bit thicker than the plastic of the >> Honda windshield. Consequently, when the crescent-shaped plastic trim >> piece is replaced, it will not fit-up as well as it did before you >> removed it. Short of taking a sander to the base unit to remove a few >> mils of its thickness (which I do *NOT* recommend), there seems no way >> to avoid this minor but nevertheless irritating little consequence. > >While I had problems mounting my Rifle system, the above was not one of >them. I had problems with the Rifle mounting "holes" not aligning with >the Honda holes. Wallered out the center and got a fit. Then found the >right side windshield holes were 1/4" higher than the left side. Still >haven't corrected this (flu sorta interfers with these plans) but >intend to redrill the Rifle base. > >Expect I could have ordered a replacement under warranty but decided the >hassle of putting my PC back together (and later having to do it all >over again) and paying to ship parts back was much greater than a few >moments with a Dremel tool. > Wow. And I thought installing *my* Rifle sucked. My hat's off to 'ya. Gregg L. DesElms deselms@royal.net '89 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jim_bene@pacbell.net Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 23:40:19 +0300 To: Pacific Coast List Subject: Re: PC800: Rain-X I purchased an '89 PC last year (In August) which had stock windscreen in good shape at the time. I left it with a friend in Costa Mesa while I returned to finish my contract in Saudi Arabia. I came home in May and during the winter the PC was stored outside. It was covered, but there was a great deal of rain in Southern California as you probably know. While my friend checked it as often as he could (and I trust him), with the rains in March and April he did not have an opportunity to take the cover off. Anyway, the windscreen developed an extremely milky look. We tried most everything to get it off - cleaners, rubbing compound, acetone, metal polish ... the only thing which would take it off was something which would scrap it off. We ended up using (and besides fingernails) the most effective thing .. single edge razor blades. Yes, thats right, we had to give the windscreen a shave! We got it as clear as we could. I rode the bike to Northern California. I then took a buffing wheel and Meguires #17 & #10 plastic cleaner & polish and it worked when I applied the necessary amount of pressure. Even though it looked OK, I still ordered a replacement from Clearview. Good thing too. The milky apprearence started to return. The Clearview screen is great replacement. The holes were perfect, just like the three different screens I had on my ST1100 from Clearview (one tall, one short and one short smoked). I highly recommend them. Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council wrote: > So that's what happened to the tall windshield on my friend's recently- > purchased '89 PC800. It sure is a weird phenomenon. It looks like someone > shrinkwrapped the windscreen and then left it too close to a fire. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 06:25:17 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "97PC800" <97PC800@bizgroup.net> To: "pc 800 list" Subject: PC800: PC800 modifications: additions/deletions. Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 06:05:45 -0400 Hello all & Happy Labor Day, For those who may be interested, here is a run-down on the changes made to my '97 PC 800. Things I've removed: 1) Stock Honda windshield ( available if anyone is interested ). 2) Honda & Pacific Coast decals, cheesy warning decal on fuel filler door. 3) Stock (non-magnetic) oil drain plug. Things I've added: 1) Hondaline trunks lights. 2) Hondaline trunk bags. 3) Hondaline cycle cover. 4) Hondaline passenger backrest ( recently removed and sold to another Lister ). 5) GiVi Maxia 50 litre topcase ( thus the backrest removal ). 6) Self-adhesive carpeting in trunk and left fairing storage compartment. 7) RS-500 alarm system w/remote. 8) Priority Plus brake light modulator-excellent unit, turn signal lamps become running lights! 9) Pre-'97 magnetic oil drain plug. 10) Pre-'97 chromed left muffler cover, let's not see that butt-ugly muffler can! 11) Utopia drivers backrest-highly recommended. 12) Baker-Built Air Wings-cool me down or warm me up. 13) Grab On replacement foam grip sleeves-fit over stock grips, very comfy. 14) Wrist Rocker palm/wrist rest-best $7.00 I've spent in a long time. 15) Vista Cruise throttle lock. 16) Voltmeter in left speaker cut-out. 17) Rifle windshield, 20" unit on standard black base. 18) Reflective pinstriping just above color-break line, double stripe on front fender, matching stripe above color-break line of red/black GiVi top case. 19) Reflective appliqué to "fill-in" side covers similar to pre-'97 appliqué. 20) K & N air filter. 21) 12 Volt outlet in right passenger peg body molding. 22) Velcro "mounts" for gloves, air gauge, etc. on inner panels of trunk base. Other niceties: 1) Panasonic "Shock Wave" stereo/tape player which mounts on left handlebar cover-rubberized case, water resistant. 2) HJC-90 Chatterbox radio/intercom units. Stereo plugs in to this, mutes when speaking. Private intercom for rider-to-passenger a great feature, bike-to-bike communications a must. This has been very helpful in teaching Diane to ride properly-900 miles on her new Suzuki Savage! Pretty good for a 5' tall, never rode a bike before sweetheart! 3) Battery Tender, modified to plug into the 12 Volt outlet on my bike or standard plug-in connector for Diane's bike. 4) Arctic Zone softcase 6-pack cooler & Blue Ice 6-pack freezer pack. This keeps 6 12 oz. cans cold for 12-plus hours in 90-100 degree heat and fits nicely in trunk of PC. Wish list: 1) A 6th gear for the PC. 2) Garmin Street Pilot GPS ( $500.00-OUCH! ). 3) Driving/fog lamps. Does anyone have the Night Cutters from SAENG? Please e-mail me with your opinion of these units. 4) Safe passage for all motorcyclists on the road. Regards, Steve Scudder 97PC800@bizgroup.net Grand Rapids, MI -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) Mon, 7 Sep 1998 08:32:55 CST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 08:33:21 -0500 From: "David L. Sigsbee" Subject: Re: PC800: Rifle Windshield System To: "Steven R. Zweigart" Cc: Pacific Coast Mailing List Reply-to: dsigsbee@memphis.edu X-Corel-MessageType: EMail Steve-- One thing you might want to consider before you install the Rifle windshield is whether you want to keep or remove the Rifle logo/emblem thingy on the front of the base unit. When I was about to install my Rifle windshield I asked my wife what she would think if she saw "Rifle" on the front of a motorcycle. She said that she would figure either that it meant the motorcycle was as fast as a speeding bullet or that it was a son-of-a-gun (such a clever woman; she was an English major). With that response I resolved to remove it. As it comes out the emblem is attached by two plastic "rivets" which can be ground off from the back side. The emblem then comes off from the front with two small pins remaining from the rivets. You are left with two very small holes in the base, which in my case I covered with an AMA decal (I much prefer explaining what an "AMA" is to explaining why my motorcycle is called a "Rifle." Others may simply enjoy having the emblem and so leave it alone. In fact, mine is in perfect shape, except for the rivet pins being somewhat shortened, and available, should someone have a craving for an extra one. David -- David L. Sigsbee Work: 901 678-2690 University Honors Program Fax: 901 678-5367 Jones Hall 408 E-Mail: dsigsbee@memphis.edu University of Memphis Home: 901 327-3848 Memphis, TN 38152-6140 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. env-from (bdhopkins@pcisys.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Brian Hopkins To: "PC 800 List (E-mail)" Subject: PC800: leader of the pack Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 09:29:23 -0700 Well, went down to the AMA races at PPIR yesterday. Rode with the = Colorado VFR group which was pretty neat. For a while had 10 bikes = running stagger with, of course, the PC at the front. :) =20 Very interesting when we came to a stop they all asked why I was going = so fast. I said I was doing an indicated 80 (on the 75mph freeway) = which I figure is a little over 75 (because we would barely pass = people). ALL the VFR's said they were doing 85. So I find that = interesting that the sportbike has a much more optimistic speedometer = than the touring PC. =20 Everyone asked why I didn't take the VFR to the races. Well, I don't = want to carry around all that stuff (helmet, jacket, boots, souvenirs, = etc) at a 90 degree day all day. Hah. Ride safe, Brian D. Hopkins Bdhopkins@pcisys.net '96 VFR '97 PC 800 HSTA #8274 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:54:33 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "97PC800" <97PC800@bizgroup.net> To: Cc: "pc 800 list" Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 modifications: additions/deletions. Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:53:05 -0400 Ted, >Interesting, my 95 has a magnetic oil drain plug... Looks like Honda got real >cheap on the '97's ! So far I've found that this was Honda's "survival plan" for the PC. It seems they believe that they have been taking it on the nose financially ( low volume, low sales ) with this bike. It doesn't seem to have worked as I have heard from the regional rep that the PC is dead. What a shame. Deletions/changes beginning in '97 (known) are: 1) Self-canceling turn signals. 2) Front fender/brake rotor skirting treatment. 3) Front air dam ( necessitated by the pre-'97 front fender size/airflow to radiator ). 4) Magnetic drain plug. 5) Chromed rear brake lever ( now polished ). 6) Chromed riders peg base plates. 7) Side cover metallic appliqués. 8) Lower body paint. 9) Left muffler cover. 10) Spare fuse placement changed to under seat at power junction near battery. 11) Body-colored inner fairing trim. 12) One cylinder deleted from engine, making it a PC 400 ( just kidding ;-) ). Regards, Steve Scudder 97PC800@bizgroup.net Grand Rapids, MI -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Mon, 07 Sep 1998 17:27:05 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael D. Linkous" To: "Pacific Coast" Subject: PC800: 3M reflective pin striping Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 17:26:42 -0400 I have read a few posts about PC'ers who have added some reflective tape to their bikes. I thought this would be a cheap way to add some safety... so this morning I went on the search. First stop was at Wally World (Wal-Mart). Their reflective tape was nothing more than red tape... that didn't even sparkle. I tried a couple of auto stores to find the same..... then I stopped at an Advance Auto. They had a whole line of 3M reflective tape.... thin... wide.... circles.... triangles.... etc. all in various colors. The neatest thing I saw was the 1/4'' pin striping. If you have a red (like my 97) PC then this stuff matches almost perfectly. I think it looks better thatn running a wide piece of tape around it. Although I didn't, it would look better than you think to run a strip on the black moulding. I ran a piece along the sides (where the red meets the black) and a piece from the top of the air vents and above the word Honda to the front of the bike (below mirror).... Sorry I don't know all of the anatomical parts of the PC... yet! When looking, you really cant tell it is on there. I even ran a piece along the base of my helmet... If you do decide on reflective tape I would reccomend 3M... it says it is commercial grade and you can tell it when comparing to other brands! ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- Michael D. Linkous Bluefield, WV www.angelfire.com/wv/mlink/index.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:04:39 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Paul B. Atkins" Subject: PC800: test This is a test after signing off for a week...went on vacation, rode my bike and had a great time!!! But, fall is approaching here in the upper midwest! Paul Paul B. Atkins patkins@mari.net 1996 Pacific Coast -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tom and/or Anita Humphrey" To: "'PACIFIC COAST OWNERS LIST'" , "'Clay Heckman'" , "'Joyce D. Calvert'" , "'Philips Wong'" Subject: PC800: Can you loan a bike to a visitor from Hong Kong? Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 16:10:52 -0700 Importance: Normal Attention all Coasters. Philips Wong, our lister from Hong Kong who is making rear WING THINGS for us, is coming to visit the states in October. He has been invited to join a 3 day, thousand mile 'cycle trip to Yosemite, Death Valley, Kern River Canyon, Mammoth hot springs, Panamit Valley, and the Coast Range snaky roads. We leave from SF Oct. 10th, and return before sundown on Monday, Oct 12 (Columbus Day Holiday). Philips has no bike here in the States. He is a fellow Coaster, has gold wings, and is anxious to join us on this ride. #1 Can you help Philips by loaning him a bike? #2 Why don't you join us on this three day ride? We go to the highest road in California, and the lowest. The riding companions are a great group, and you will see more scenery than in any other 3 day ride. Find out more by hitting the web site: http://www.well.com/user/mcpsycle/qbidv98.htm and remember that "you qualify for this ride because you ride motorcycles!" I ride this tour every year, as it is an annual event, and if you try it, you, too, will be charmed by the scenery and the fun of the ride. If you can help, please let me know: Tom Humphrey anitom@pacbell.net Thank you. See you on the ride! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "The Broeking's" To: "'PACIFIC COAST OWNERS LIST'" Subject: PC800: GPS- Street Pilot Follow Up Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 19:51:28 -0400 I found Don Moses' site where he reviewed the above per my earlier post last Thursday for those of you who may be interested... http://endurance-touring.net/stplt/spframe.html Cheers, Bob -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: FW: PC800: Question 78 CX500 Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 20:44:17 -0400 Mike Whited wrote: >The CX500 was the forerunner to the shadow which we all know the PC is = a >direct decendant I have the "missing link" between the PC and the Shadow in my garage ... = it's the VT500 Ascot. Here's a photo: = http://home.naxs.com/jrandall/photos/vt500ft.jpg It is, as someone else = has already pointed out, for all practical purpose a smaller = displacement, naked PC. Pull the tupperware of the PC and you'll find = pretty much this same engine and drive train. With its two-into-one = exhaust system, the VT500 even sounds like a PC! Unfortunately, they = chose to leave the VT500's 6th gear out of the PC design - I've always = considered this a marketing compromise because with a more relaxed 6th = gear (i.e. an overdrive), the PC might have actually encroached just a = bit into ST marketing space. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: FW: PC800: Harley Open House..What a joke. Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 21:01:39 -0400 James Geist wrote: >Why did I sign up for the Harley you ask?...I figure if I win, I can >sell the HOG and pay off my truck. With the left over cash, a new Honda >would be nice. It's OK James, we forgive you. And, BTW, I've done exactly the same = thing. If I I had won it, I wouldn't have keep the thing any longer than = it took to find one of those tattoed, long haired types you describe = with more money than brains. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rocheux@juno.com by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DNLA4PJP; Mon, 07 Sep 1998 21:42:06 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 21:31:55 -0400 Subject: PC800: Waving Carolyn and I took our PC on a 600 mile jaunt up into PA over the weekend. Coming north out of Hancock MD on 522 on we passed some Harley guys. None of them returned the wave. We had to go back to check out some antique RR cars I thought I saw. As I passed the Harley guys I realized why none of them waved. They were all wearing PAGANS colors. Hmmm. Rocky _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rocheux@juno.com by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DNLA4PGF; Mon, 07 Sep 1998 21:42:06 EDT To: jgeistlubtx@door.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 21:24:21 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Quick oil question Why do you not do yourself a favor and call 1-800-ASK MOBIL and let them tell you. Where have you been? Have you not seen the TV commls where they boil the oils in a pan alongside each other and one turns to gum and the Mobil1 stays viscous? Please...1-800 ASK-MOBIL Rocky (geist, james) writes: >Hi list. > >I have one question concerning Mobil Oil. >What's the difference (other than the two bucks) between "Mobil Oil" >and "Mobil 1 Oil"?.....I don't get it....If Mobil 1 is what a lot of >you >guys use, what is the advantage? _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 22:39:18 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: jgeistlubtx@door.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Quick oil question rocheux@juno.com wrote: > > Why do you not do yourself a favor and call 1-800-ASK MOBIL and let them > tell you. > Where have you been? Have you not seen the TV commls where they boil the > oils in a pan alongside each other and one turns to gum and the Mobil1 > stays viscous? > Please...1-800 ASK-MOBIL > Rocky > (geist, james) writes: > >Hi list. > > > >I have one question concerning Mobil Oil. > >What's the difference (other than the two bucks) between "Mobil Oil" > >and "Mobil 1 Oil"?.....I don't get it....If Mobil 1 is what a lot of > >you > >guys use, what is the advantage? > One note. If the oil in your bike is hot enough to boil, then you got bigger problems than what oil to use. Reminds me of the commercial about the glass pans, with the heat so high the metal pans melted inside the glass pans. Great if you plan on cooking with a flame-thrower. TommyTeal -- 93SE(Teal, you think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast 98V-Star(Red? you bet) GWTA of Michigan web site http://my.voyager.net/gwta/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "Pacific Coast Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: Harley Bumper Sticker Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 23:52:27 -0400 Idea for bumper (trunk?) sticker: MY OTHER BIKE'S A HARLEY IT'S IN THE SHOP. Steve -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "Michael D. Linkous" Cc: "Pacific Coast Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: 3M reflective pin striping Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 23:48:32 -0400 One word of warning regarding most of the 3m reflective materials with which I have dealt: Once they are on and "set up", that's all she wrote. Removal is a tedious task as the material fractures into tiny pieces as you try to remove it. It's also quite impervious to most solvents, making a neat removal a matter of steady (!!!) hands and a sharp razor blade. Steve -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Tue, 8 Sep 1998 05:56:17 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "97PC800" <97PC800@bizgroup.net> To: "geist, james" Cc: "pc 800 list" Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 modifications: additions/deletions. Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 05:54:24 -0400 James writes: >> Things I've added: >> *snip* >> 9) Pre-'97 magnetic oil drain plug. > >*snip* > >Why is the oil drain plug magnetic? I've never heard of this. >Thanks >James >Lubbock, Tx. >'90 PC It's to keep the bolt securely fastened to the engine in case of sudden thread viscosity breakdown. Sorry, I couldn't resist ;-) The truth: The magnet attracts ferrous metal particles that otherwise might contribute to engine wear if not removed by the oil filter. Regards, Steve Scudder 97PC800@bizgroup.net Grand Rapids, MI -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "97PC800" <97PC800@bizgroup.net> Cc: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 modifications: additions/deletions. Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:01:07 -0400 << To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: PC800: Rifle Windshield Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:19:36 -0400 Thanks for the numerous responses I've received regarding tips and cautions for installing my new Rifle windscreen system when it arrives. I'm not really looking forward to the change, but I am looking forward to the quieter ride that I hope I'll get. Though I'm a bit antsy about removing various parts of the bike for the first time, I believe it's good experience to do those kind of things in a controlled situation before having to perform some kind of emergency surgery on the road. I'll probably be squealing for more advice once the thing arrives. Here's to a great mailing list...CHEERS! Steve Zweigart -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: PC800: Honda Deauville? From: Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org (Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 09:25:04 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) I saw something in a European cycle magazine which caught my eye and it might be of curiosity to other PC800 enthusiasts. It's essentially a mini-sport- tourer with some of the same philosophies as the PC800. I couldn't read the magazine because it appeared to be in some scandanavian language I didn't recognize. The Honda Deauville appears to be a newer sport-tourer built around what appears to be the old Hawk GT650 (V-Twin). Imagine a Hawk 650 with a slightly larger tank, a sporty and very techno-looking half-fairing up front (stylings resemble BMW RS series) and ST1100-style hardbags in the back. The bottom half of the engine is exposed, but the top half of the bike is encased in stylish bodywork. While I would never trade my PC for one, it does look like a great bike. It seems to make sense to me that if our beloved PC were to be replaced, it would make sense from a marketing perspective to replace it with just such a bike. It's Hawk heritage should give it awesome handling and good reliability, it has some storage and a modicum of weather protection, it looks less "scooterish", and it's 650 size should place it comfortably away from the ST in both price and performance. On the other hand, with the US market going for the bigger is better philosophy in all things (6-cylinder motorcycles, 12 cylinder pickups, SUV's) I doubt that we'd see such a sensible bike being brought to the US anytime soon. Perhaps our European lister's could fill us in on this mystery Honda? Greg Torok 97 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: brian.hopkins@L3.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Miles and miles and miles and miles Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:32:53 -0600 Well, I changed the oil in my PC last Tuesday evening because I knew I would be rolling the mark going to the Dentist on Thursday. I haven't gone more than 100 miles away from my house in the last week. I have put on over 700 miles on the PC as of today and another 140 on the VFR. Just riding around. It feels like I'm getting gas every two hours. Oh well, still here and still riding. Just wanted to mention it. Brian D. Hopkins Denver Colorado '97 PC800 '96 VFR ' 95 Dodge Ram 2500HD -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:57:20 +0100 To: "'PC800 List'" From: bud9@flash.net (M. M. Roden) Subject: PC800: Sheep skin seat cover I added a full sheep skin over my 89 PC800 standard seat and took a 600+ mile ride down into the Texas hill country last weekend. The temperature was well over 100 and that skin sure made a difference, in both comfort and air flow. Have wood bead covers on my other bikes and have used them for years. Just wondering if anyone else has ever tried this trick. Bud Roden Dallas, TX 82 Silverwing 84 Goldwing 86 Yamaha Venture Royale 87 Yamaha Venture 89 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 8 Sep 98 12:21:00 -0500 From: Kendall Gray To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Honda Deauville Not a bad looking bike; Sportier than the PC-800. This URl should take you to a picture of the thing. Definately more of a Junior ST1100 than a Junior PC800. http://www.vademecum.be/BMR/ntv600.htm Ken Gray 95 PC800 Xena -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "Kendall Gray" , Subject: Re: PC800: Honda Deauville Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 21:30:49 +0200 > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Kendall Gray > Datum: dinsdag 8 september 1998 20:21 > Not a bad looking bike; Sportier than > the PC-800. This URl should take you to > a picture of the thing. Definately more > of a Junior ST1100 than a Junior PC800. > http://www.vademecum.be/BMR/ntv600.htm If you like the bike, you like this page too: http://www.motorcycle-city.co.uk/roadt.htm . The belgium site say it's the ntv600, but it's the NT650V (hey,they're Belgians). It has the same engine as the PC, but than as 650, so that's even less performance. It has built in suitcases, but a lot smaller than the PC's trunk (except when you put the big, wide option trunk lids on it). It has a fairing, but also a lot less than on the PC (except when you put the 'leg-extensions' on it). I think it's definitely the PC's little brother, not the ST's. It lacks too much performance for that, It's a real commuter bike. The PC is more Sportier than the NT (that's why they put the S in Pacific CoaSt). The weight difference is only 30kgs. The URL I gave above says it delivers enough performance for 'spirited riding'. The real world tests I read here indicate it's a nice bike, but it hasn't got a lot a performance and is still a little too expensive. It comes near the price of a XJ900S Diversion, now that's a sport-tour bike (http://www.xs4all.nl/~kimkodde/yamaha.html , wait untill whole page is loaded, main picture will show the bike in different color schemes). ___ [_ mile Nossin '90 PC800 "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Holland, Santpoort 'Never look back upon your live and say: " I should have done that....."' http://www.angelfire.com/nh/Nossin ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 8 Sep 98 15:47:00 -0500 From: Kendall Gray To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: PC800 Errata I have _never_ owned a vehicle that got the attention that _this_ thing gets. Just amazing looks from people when they see it float by, sleek, black, and totally enclosed.. Or when I stop into the local market, helmet in hand, and walk out with 4 bags of groceries- which I then drop into her trunk. If it wasn't for the HONDA decals, I suspect I could tell people it was Caddilac's first bike, or something ludicrous like that. Ken 95 PC800 Xena -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Arvid_L=F8vik?=" To: "PC 800 Mailserver" Subject: PC800: PC 800 versus Deuville Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 00:30:27 +0200 In the latest No. of the German magazin "Motorrad" they had a test of = the two bikes. I have the test and will try to get it scanned. They both = got nice revues ,but I still think the PC is the finest!! =20 Regards Arvid -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rocheux@juno.com by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DNNJTVBZ; Tue, 08 Sep 1998 18:35:35 EDT To: 97PC800@bizgroup.net Cc: jgeistlubtx@door.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:17:14 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 modifications: additions/deletions. Magnetic oil plugs hold fragments of metal for you to take off them instead of letting them circulate thru the engine. I hope you were serious in asking this question. If not, ya got me. Rocky> >> Things I've added: >>> *snip* >>> 9) Pre-'97 magnetic oil drain plug. >> >>*snip* >> >>Why is the oil drain plug magnetic? I've never heard of this. >>Thanks >>James >>Lubbock, Tx. >>'90 PC > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rocheux@juno.com by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DNNJTVHL; Tue, 08 Sep 1998 18:35:35 EDT To: Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:25:36 -0400 Subject: PC800: La Deauville Since many go to France, you can go see one for yourself. I brought home a brochure on the Deauville and had the lovely experience of having the dlr in Paris let me sit on it last May when I was there. They also have the PC there as well. I think the Deauville est tres branchée! That is to say it is cool. It is hard to know where things are in a foreign city. So like if you make it to the Arc de Triomphe you would go the Rue Champs Elysées the opposite way from Place de la Concorde (also Le Louvre) and continue on down for about 3 or 4 blocks and you come on motorcycle row with all the bikes represented there save for the Harley dealer. Bon voyage et bon chance. Rocky O>The Honda Deauville appears to be a newer sport-tourer built around >what>appears to be the old Hawk GT650 (V-Twin). Imagine a Hawk 650 with a >slightly>larger tank, a sporty and very techno-looking half-fairing up front >(stylings>resemble BMW RS series) and ST1100-style hardbags in the back. The >bottom half>of the engine is exposed, but the top half of the bike is encased in >stylish >bodywork. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rocheux@juno.com by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DNNJTU85; Tue, 08 Sep 1998 18:35:35 EDT To: steve_z@may-uky.campus.mci.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:15:42 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Harley Bumper Sticker >Idea for bumper (trunk?) sticker: > >MY OTHER BIKE'S A HARLEY >IT'S IN THE SHOP. Steve Steve you print these and I will buy one. Rocky Rocky adds: >Gosh I love it Steve. I rode my Suzuki Intruder from Fairfax VA to Dumfries VA a few years ago. I pulled up front of the Harley shop there and shut off the big rice burner (which by the way is the fastest of the big twins). One guy good-naturedly teased me suggesting I park in the back. "Oh this is my Harley parts bike," I responded. "Harley parts bike? the teaser asked. "Yes," I replied, "my voltage regulator died again on my 89 Springer Softail and I am here to get my third in 5 years. Since the regulator is a Harley part and I am picking it up on this bike, this is my 'Harley parts bike!'" He shrugged his shoulders. They know what they ride. In defense of the Springer I have to tell you that I sold the Harley in 1996 after 7 years ownership, 3 voltage regulators and 4 vibration fractured sudden death batteries for $13.5 K after having had it from a new one and having paid $9000 for it. Not bad for a troublesome shaker! Rocky >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rocheux@juno.com by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DNNJTVK8; Tue, 08 Sep 1998 18:35:35 EDT To: ttk@erinet.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:28:52 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Quick oil question Why do you not try the experiment in two pans yourself? I know one does not boil oil, he puts it in his engine, but the FAA approved Mobil AV1 for use in aircraft engines and did so granting use of the lubricant for a period of hours three times that allowed for conventional oils. Yes I know AV1 was taken off the market by lawsuits brought by idiot plaintiffs, the litigous greedy lawyers and paranoid jerk juries who believed them. Anyone who thinks Mobil1 is not superior to non-synthetics also probably believes in XXXXXXism! I would be willing to wager you, ttk@erinet.com did not call 1-800 ASK MOBIL and have the rep educate you on the product. Facts and scholarly research do not bother some folks, they look right thru them. I guess I am the big jerk here for even wasting my breath. ONE BIG DIFFERENCE I NOTICE IN cars is that when we restart the motor after an oil change when changing from Mobil1 to another fresh crankcase full of Mobil1 is that we do not hear the thrashing of parts that goes on for a second or two when we do changes with non-synthetics. It is evidence alone enough for me that with Mobil1 the tenacity/viscosity is so great that the parts stay protected even when the crankcase oil is drained away. I have seen Toyota and Honda engines torn down at anywhere from 100 to 200K with incredibly little sign of wear when Mobil1 was religiously involved. If you do not like the idea of synthetics and you think non-syns are just as good, don't use the syns--you do not deserve the bounty they bring! Rocky On Mon, 7 Sep 1998 22:32:08 -0400 "Tosh Konya" writes: >The only problem is that most people don't boil their >oil in a pan! Some of those ads think of the >most imaginative ways to make their point. Like >the one where they drain all the engine oil out of >the Dodge Vipers then drive when around Willow >Springs race track. I don't drain the oil from my >vehicles before taking them for a ride! > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 16:38:44 -0700 From: "Roy Thomassen" Cc: Subject: Re[2]: PC800: Quick oil question Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" AV1, the synthetic oil for piston engine aircraft, was taken off the market by Mobil. Not because of "idiot plaintiffs, the litigous greedy lawyers and paranoid jerk juries". Because of proven and documented problems in the lead scavenging properties of the oil that resulted in their settling a lawsuit, rather than going to trial and losing bigtime. The problem is that avgas contains a very large amount of lead. AV1 did not have the ability to hold the lead in suspension consistently, leading to accumulations of lead in areas of the engine that didn't have strong oil flow. The lead gets into the oil via the "blowby gasses" that get by the rings when the engine is running. The accumulation of lead and lead sludge in places like the propellor hub and other areas caused excessive corrosion and wear. When this type of corrosion happens in flight critical areas of the engine, for example, the hub of a constant speed prop, it can and did lead to at least one inflight failure. The problem was especially apparent in privately flown aircraft that were operated less than 150 hours per year. Those that flew all the time, ie, flight schools, commercial operators, etc, did not experience the same level of problems. Mobil screwed up by denying the problem existed, stonewalling those people who had legitimate claims, and falsifying key documents related to the problems with the oil. They had their corporate lawyers try every conceivable method to delay and deny the claims. Their feet were "held to the fire" by some very determined and well financed aircraft owners. Even after they settled the class action lawsuit they brought upon themselves they tried every sleazy underhanded trick they could to NOT pay claims that were completely reasonable and within the scope of the settlement. Real dirtbags, by all accounts. In this particular case the "idiot plaintiffs, the litigous greedy lawyers" were absolutely correct in their use of the American legal system. I am no fan of lawyers. I agree with the general conclusion that the "idiot plaintiffs, the litigous greedy lawyers and paranoid jerk juries" that have produced decisions that we can all agree are outrageous and unreasonable. Unfortunately the AV1 oil debacle isn't one of those and shouldn't be held out as an example of that type of litigation. Lerach's shareholder suits are a far better examples of this type of litigation. I use Mobil 1 in my 4runner. I will be switching my PC800 to Mobil 1 at the next oil change. I don't and won't buy any other Mobil products for the reasons described above. If another oil company made a synthetic oil as good as Mobil 1 I would switch in a heartbeat. Blue Skies and fun rides, Roy T. ____________________Reply Separator____________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Quick oil question Author: Date: 9/8/98 6:28 PM Why do you not try the experiment in two pans yourself? I know one does not boil oil, he puts it in his engine, but the FAA approved Mobil AV1 for use in aircraft engines and did so granting use of the lubricant for a period of hours three times that allowed for conventional oils. Yes I know AV1 was taken off the market by lawsuits brought by idiot plaintiffs, the litigous greedy lawyers and paranoid jerk juries who believed them. Anyone who thinks Mobil1 is not superior to non-synthetics also probably believes in XXXXXXism! I would be willing to wager you, ttk@erinet.com did not call 1-800 ASK MOBIL and have the rep educate you on the product. Facts and scholarly research do not bother some folks, they look right thru them. I guess I am the big jerk here for even wasting my breath. ONE BIG DIFFERENCE I NOTICE IN cars is that when we restart the motor after an oil change when changing from Mobil1 to another fresh crankcase full of Mobil1 is that we do not hear the thrashing of parts that goes on for a second or two when we do changes with non-synthetics. It is evidence alone enough for me that with Mobil1 the tenacity/viscosity is so great that the parts stay protected even when the crankcase oil is drained away. I have seen Toyota and Honda engines torn down at anywhere from 100 to 200K with incredibly little sign of wear when Mobil1 was religiously involved. If you do not like the idea of synthetics and you think non-syns are just as good, don't use the syns--you do not deserve the bounty they bring! Rocky On Mon, 7 Sep 1998 22:32:08 -0400 "Tosh Konya" writes: << To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: PC800: Custom ride Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 20:16:30 -0400 A thing of beauty is a joy forever... http://www.eurosoft-ind.demon.co.uk/bdodds.htm#Barry Dodds K100 FF Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 20:26:07 +2000 (EDT) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 20:26:07 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: Mileage per Yankee gallon? Hi, Ron: I was impressed too. Of course, I don't plan to plod along at those speeds very often, but it is interesting to note how much cutting the windscreen down helped in the drag department. I now routinely get in the low 50s under the same conditions that used to produce middle 40s. However, the summer is winding down here (at last), and I will soon be putting the tall screen back on. J.T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Tue, 8 Sep 1998 20:27:47 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "97PC800" <97PC800@bizgroup.net> To: "pc 800 list" Cc: "GORDON A. GOLDER" Subject: PC800: Pretend this is MC related. Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 20:26:17 -0400 I woke up early feeling depressed because it was my birthday, and I thought,"I'm another year older," but decided not to dwell on it. So I showered and shaved, knowing when I went down to breakfast my wife would greet me with a big kiss and say, "Happy birthday, dear." All smiles, I went into breakfast, and there sat my wife reading the newspaper as usual. She didn't say a word. So I got myself a cup of coffee and thought, "Oh well, she forgot. The kids will be down in a few minutes, they will sing 'Happy Birthday' and have a nice gift for me." There I sat, enjoying my coffee, and I waited. Finally the kids came running into the kitchen yelling, "Give me a slice of toast! I'm late! Where is my coat? I'm going to miss my bus!" Feeling more depressed than ever, I left for the office. When I walked in, my secretary greeted mew with a big smile and a cheerful. "Happy Birthday, boss," She then asked if she could get me some coffee. Her remembering my birthday made me feel a whole lot better. Later in the morning, my secretary knocked on my office door and said, "Since it's your birthday, why don't we have lunch together?" Thinking it would make me feel better, I said, "That's a good idea." So we locked up the office, and since it was my birthday, I said, "Why don't we drive out of town and have lunch in the country, instead of going to the usual place?" So we drove out of town and went to a little out-of-the-way inn and had a couple of martinis and a nice lunch. We started driving back to town when my secretary said, "Why don't we go by my place, and I will fix you another martini?" It sounded like a good idea, since we didn't have much to do at the office. So we went to her apartment, and she fixed some martinis. After a while, she said, "If you will excuse me, I think I will slip into something more comfortable," and she left the room. In a few minutes, she opened her bedroom door and came out carrying a big birthday cake. Following her were my wife and all my kids, and there I sat with nothing on but my socks. Steve Scudder 97PC800@bizgroup.net Grand Rapids, MI -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Tue, 08 Sep 1998 20:37:13 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael D. Linkous" To: "Pacific Coast" Subject: PC800: lightweight jacket Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 20:36:52 -0400 Can someone reccomend a lightweight jacket (at a reasonabe price) that is wind resistant and has a liner. [website / phone no. needed] I have a heavy leather jacket for cool riding... but am looking for a summertime jacket w/ liner that does not blow up when you you ride. Advice appreciated! ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- Michael D. Linkous Bluefield, WV www.angelfire.com/wv/mlink/index.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 21:28:43 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: 97PC800 <97PC800@bizgroup.net> CC: pc 800 list , "GORDON A. GOLDER" Subject: Re: PC800: Pretend this is MC related. 97PC800 wrote: > After a while, she said, "If you will excuse me, I think I will slip > into something more comfortable," and she left the room. In a few > minutes, she opened her bedroom door and came out carrying a big > birthday cake. Following her were my wife and all my kids, and there I > sat with nothing on but my socks. > > Steve Scudder Steve, This better be a joke or I guess we will not be seeing you on Sunday! ;) Thomas -- 93SE(Teal, you think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast 98V-Star(Red? you bet) GWTA of Michigan web site http://my.voyager.net/gwta/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Quick oil question of "Mon, 07 Sep 1998 22:39:18 EDT." <35F498D6.186B@voyager.net> Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 20:57:13 -0500 Thomas Ongstad writes: > > One note. If the oil in your bike is hot enough to boil, then you got > bigger problems than what oil to use. Delve into a little molecular theory of heat transfer and you'll discover the temperature of a substance is only the *average* temperature of the molecules. Some are much higher, some much lower. We won't worry about the distribution curve here. That glass of ice water has some (not many) boiling hot molecules in it. So does the oil in your bike. The hotter the oil gets, the more boiling hot molecules it has. And I dare say there *are* places in the engine where oil gets hotter than 212 degrees. For instance the cylinder walls. Proof: if the cylinder walls didn't get hotter than boiling, then how could you boil over your radiator? Think the Mobil-1 ads were cooking the oil to 400F or more for extended periods. I don't believe that is as unrealistic as you make it. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Honda Deauville of "Tue, 08 Sep 1998 21:30:49 +0200." <000c01bddb5f$3cbae7e0$8476ebc2@emile> Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 21:48:49 -0500 "Emile Nossin" writes: > The belgium site say it's the ntv600, but it's the NT650V (hey,they're > Belgians). It has the same engine as the PC, but than as 650, so > that's even less performance. Don't have the reviews of the Deauville handy but there are a lot more differences than Emile would suggest. The PC is lightly tuned for broad torque. The Deauville is tuned hotter yielding at least as much HP as a PC. Heck my '84 VT500 Ascot is/was rated for 48 bhp while the PC is measured at 43? Bet the Deauville will run circles around a PC. The PC and VT500 Ascot have 45 degree V's, the Deauville's cylinders are spread wider. Haven't looked on the PC but the Ascot really needed more space where they jamed the carbs. When I get all the crud out of the Ascot carbs I'll be better able to comare the two. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BobDuWah@aol.com for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:40:45 +2000 (EDT) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:40:45 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: msf Ok fellow PCers I will be taking the msf experienced rider course this weekend and would like to know what to expect to learn from it. Bob Ronecker 94PC St Louis, MO -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BobDuWah@aol.com for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:45:52 +2000 (EDT) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:45:52 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: headphones Anyone on the list tried Bass Monster helmet speakers from Collette electronics ? Welcome to Collett Electronics - Introductory... -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Moedavis1@aol.com Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 00:09:45 EDT To: BobDuWah@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: headphones I have a pair of Bass Monsters. I used them for about 6 months. They work extrememly well, however, the combination of the wind and the music from my radio was too much for my eardrums. (I started to worry about hearing damage) I eventually resorted to using earplugs when I ride and the Bass Monsters have sat in a drawer since then. The one thing that I liked about having the speakers was that I could get the traffic reports as I rode. One more important thing, make sure that you either have a small, as in narrow, head or a wide helmet, the speakers are not as thin as they say. The plastic that they make them out of is hard and the edges are sharp. I cut my ears the first time that I wore them, I eventually put moleskin on them to soften the edges. I don't know why they didn't make them with some kind of vinyl/foam combination. and, they never did mount properly, every time I took my helmet off...they fell out. On second thought, I really hated the things and don't reccomend them. ;-) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DNN7XBMA; Wed, 09 Sep 1998 00:44:28 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: swift24@juno.com, johnla@yahoo.com Subject: PC800: TPC BAR BAG BARGAIN! From: annreid@juno.com (ann s reid) Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 00:44:28 EDT Hi! I just got my Thompson PC Bar Bag (TPC-BB), CUSTOM MADE FOR PC. It's wonderful! It's the answer to my tank bag toot and starter screech problems. The TPC-BB's specs are: 1) Available in 7-10 colors. Mine's white. I've seen one in yellow. 2) Water repellent and mounted in a favored, protected place on the bike. 3) Exactly fits the "wasted V" space between the handlebars and below the instruments. 4) Mini-Map case on top approx. 11" X 4". I roll my maps like sacred scrolls. Works great. Now I can put my 3" X 5" direction cards in easy view. It may help me shed my nickname ... U-Turn-Anni. *GRIN* 5) Does not block anything! Do not have to move it to gas up like tank bag. 6) Velcros on for quick and easy removal. 7) Comes with fanny pack belting attached and stored in its own special flap, and has quick release clips for when I use it as fanny pack carryall. 8) Large capacity. Holds my hooded, lined gortex jacket, a pair of gloves and a gortex neck triangle....all at the same time. 9) It's durable, good-looking, and affordable at $39 + $3 priority mail in U.S. It's perfect! I love it! 10) Let me know if you're interested and I'll give you an intro to the designer/manufacturer. TRY IT, YOU'LL LOVE IT!! Ann '89 PC, THE BAG LADY'S GHOST Tue. 9.8.98 21:25 MST -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 00:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 00:52:43 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: msf Hi, Bob: Congratulations on your decision to take the ERC. You'll enjoy it, I'm sure. What can you expect to learn? I guess that depends on your previous training experience, but in any case you'll be learning about and practicing the three skills found lacking in riders who have collisions on motorcycles: basic cornering techniques to include turning-speed selection, apex selection, and throttle control; braking quickly in a straight line and in a turn; and swerving to avoid obstacles. You will also spend some time in the classroom discussing perception, basic riding strategies, and traction management. It will be a full day. Have fun. J.T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DNN9UYDB; Wed, 09 Sep 1998 01:18:08 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: BobDuWah@AOL.Com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: MSF - ERC 44-47,49-50,52-58 From: annreid@juno.com (ann s reid) Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 01:18:08 EDT Bob, You should enjoy the class and learn or re-learn lots of things that will pay dividends. I always do. Maybe I'm just a slow learner. *SIGH* Also, every MSF course I've taken has been full of fun folks with good attitudes, and instructors with great senses of humor who teach the class informally. It's always been a fun day in every way. I don't know if the course is the same around the country. I've only taken it in Arizona; I take it about once a year ... since it's free and I ALWAYS get something lifesaving out of it. A *FEW* of the things taught were: 1) SAFE PANIC STOPPING. This technique saved a friend who was hit by a dear last month ... after dark! He was able to scrub his speed from 50 to 10mph fast enuf to prevent major damage to his bike and (relatively speaking) to himself as well. 2) SAFE, EFFECTIVE OBSTACLE SWERVING. This is a technique I have to use almost daily regardless of whether I'm on 2 or 4 wheels. Learn to avoid close encounters with the law. Oops! Make that lawn. *GRIN* 3) LOOK *EXACTLY* WHERE YOU WANT TO BE ... not over the edge of the cliff or focusing on the roadkill in your lane. You WILL go where you look. *GUARANTEED* 4) READ SIGNS CAREFULLY. There is a "trick" sign in one of the classroom examples. Let me know if you have this one. i.e. Don't read/see what you think you see, but be aware of what IS written. Okay, okay? 5) COMMON SENSE COURTESY that will save your bum. 6) LEARN FROM OTHER'S MISTAKES .... in class. 7) FINAL RANGE TEST (i.e physical test on the tarmac): Clue -- it's NOT only how well you perform but your timing! Not too fast and not too slow, Just get on the bike and show what you know. 8) CORNERING: Tight Corners and Sweeping Curves made fun, safe and easy. Traction, traction, traction. Location, location, location. 9) SUGGESTION: If it's a hot day, wear a Camelbak full of ice water onto the range. Yes, they provide water and breaks but (in Arizona) I'd have suffered without my Camelbak. If you need glasses to read and/or ride, do. Make sure your tire pressure is correct and you preflighted your bike BEFORE leaving home. Good Luck! I'm sure you'll have a good time even if all of us Listers can't be there to cheer you on, and poke fun. *TEASE, TEASE* Ann '89 PC Ghostcycle Tue. 9.8.98 22:00 MST _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. 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<= /FONT> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:07:29 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Paul B. Atkins" Subject: Re: PC800: MSF - ERC Ditto on everything tht Ann Wrote down....I took both the beginning course LAST spring and the ERC this spring and loved both, but especially the ERC. I loved taking it on my PC, learned a lot...all the things listed below and had some fun. It was a hoot watching the full dress harleys and the instructor's Wing go through the course. Great experience! annreid@juno.com wrote: >Bob, > > You should enjoy the class and learn or re-learn lots of things >that will pay dividends. I always do. Maybe I'm just a slow learner. >*SIGH* Also, every MSF course I've taken has been full of fun folks with >good attitudes, and instructors with great senses of humor who teach the >class informally. It's always been a fun day in every way. > > I don't know if the course is the same around the country. I've >only taken it in Arizona; I take it about once a year ... since it's free >and I ALWAYS get something lifesaving out of it. A *FEW* of the >things taught were: > >1) SAFE PANIC STOPPING. This technique saved a friend who was hit >by a dear last month ... after dark! He was able to scrub his speed from >50 to 10mph fast enuf to prevent major damage to his bike and (relatively >speaking) to himself as well. > >2) SAFE, EFFECTIVE OBSTACLE SWERVING. This is a technique I have >to use almost daily regardless of whether I'm on 2 or 4 wheels. Learn to >avoid close encounters with the law. Oops! Make that lawn. *GRIN* > >3) LOOK *EXACTLY* WHERE YOU WANT TO BE ... not over the edge of >the cliff or focusing on the roadkill in your lane. You WILL go where >you look. *GUARANTEED* > >4) READ SIGNS CAREFULLY. There is a "trick" sign in one of the >classroom examples. Let me know if you have this one. i.e. Don't >read/see what you think you see, but be aware of what IS written. Okay, >okay? > >5) COMMON SENSE COURTESY that will save your bum. > >6) LEARN FROM OTHER'S MISTAKES .... in class. > >7) FINAL RANGE TEST (i.e physical test on the tarmac): Clue -- >it's NOT only how well you perform but your timing! Not too fast and not >too slow, Just get on the bike and show what you know. > >8) CORNERING: Tight Corners and Sweeping Curves made fun, safe >and easy. Traction, traction, traction. Location, location, location. > >9) SUGGESTION: If it's a hot day, wear a Camelbak full of ice >water onto the range. Yes, they provide water and breaks but (in >Arizona) I'd have suffered without my Camelbak. > > If you need glasses to read and/or ride, do. > > Make sure your tire pressure is correct and you preflighted your >bike BEFORE leaving home. > > Good Luck! I'm sure you'll have a good time even if all of us >Listers can't be there to cheer you on, and poke fun. *TEASE, TEASE* > > >Ann >'89 PC Ghostcycle > >Tue. 9.8.98 22:00 MST > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Paul B. Atkins patkins@mari.net 1996 Pacific Coast -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "Michael D. Linkous" Cc: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: lightweight jacket Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 08:47:43 -0400 FWIW, my three favorite jackets: 1. A two-part jacket "system" purchased from Performance (bicycle accessories). Consists of a liner made of some modern fuzzy stuff (like dense polartec) that really keeps you warm, and can be worn alone. Outer layer is a cooler, waterproof nylon shell that can also be worn alone like a windbreaker, has LOTS of nice pockets, is a good fit so as not to cause problems in the wind, and looks very much like leather from a distance. I believe the coat cost around $150 a couple of years ago, and it's become my favorite winter coat. Contact Performance at www.performance.com. (Don't have the phone number here at the office...it's some catchy 800 number that obviously didn't work! 2. A Wrangler denim jacket. Cost about $30 at K-Mart. Is slightly oversized at the shoulders, making it comfortable to ride in. Is snug enough all around not to flap or balloon. Good overall riding jacket. 3. Pearl Izumi water/wind proof bicycling shell. I keep this in my trunk "just in case." It's extremely tight fitting, neon (really neon) yellow/green. Is absolutely water proof, but made of something that "breaths." Though I don't think I could get it on over any substantial clothing, it's proved itself to be invaluable a couple of times when riding in my shirt sleeves (alright...I know we're not supposed to do that) to keep off the wind and rain. It's just enough to provide warmth when riding through foggy or misty conditions. Very compact. Cost about $120 at a rather large and well-equipped cycle store in Cincinnati. I've been casually looking at all of the "fancy" riding clothes available for cycling, and I haven't yet found any that I'm totally satisfied with. At least not that I can afford. Steve Zweigart -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (SMTPD32-3.04) id A99576500C4; Wed, 09 Sep 1998 08:50:29 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 08:50:10 -0400 From: Ed Roberts To: rocheux@juno.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Harley Bumper Sticker Funny you should mention that. I also had a 90 STS (Springer) that left me sitting on the side of the road a couple times for the same reasons. Nice bike for putting around town but I couldn't get comfortable enough to go any distance. Had to wedge my right foot under the brake lever so I could relax. Ended up selling the Harley and buying a 90 PC800 with 3,000 miles on it and a cherry 91 Mazda RX7 (red) and enough money left over to insure them both. I could also use a new bumper sticker as my "I brake for Harley Davidson" sign on the back of my Vespa has ceased to be funny at the local dealership, they're used to it. Ed Roberts Hickory Pa -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: Cc: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: headphones Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 09:04:13 -0400 Yesterday in a Damark catalog, I saw a CD player made by Kenmore (20 seconds anti-shock) that comes with a set of "noise cancelling" headphones, which supposedly use electronic soundwave cancelling technology to make it so that all you hear is the sound from the source. I thought it might me neat to tear that sucker apart and mount it in my helmet. I had almost forgotten about this technology, which would have a pretty neat application on a noisy cycle! Anyone tried using any of these things? Steve Zweigart -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Chuck Chiodini" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Two suggestions Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 06:12:13 PDT Fellow Coaster listers: 1) After riding around and meeting fellow bikers, my 14 year old daughter came up with this fine suggestion. Why can't "we" print up a T-shirt with the "You meet the nicest people on a Honda" lettering and a picture of a Pacific Coast. I've seen the same thing in a catalog but with a picture of a Gold Wing. Any interest on this list and anyone with T-shirt technology to make this happen? 2) Ya like twisties? The "Dragon" too tame and crowded for ya bunkie? Try North Carolina highway 209! It intersects Interstate 40 a few miles west of Asheville NC and ends up in Hot Springs, North Carolina. It starts out really mellow looping through mountain farm country and following a gorgeous stream, the curves get tighter and tighter until they form a continuous series of TIGHT turns that you take in first and second gear. To tell you the ugly full truth, this was the first time I have ever gotten motion sickness on a motorcycle! I'm going back! At the end of the road, you can relax in a hot tub fed by a natural hot springs, camping available too. I took this route as a fluke as I needed a break from the super-slab while returning from my first Iron Butt Putt (trip report follows), what a great road to ride! Can't report on the hot tubs as they were booked up and I had to get back home. Maybe next time! Enjoying the ride! Chuck Chiodini 89 PC800 "Scooter" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "Roy Thomassen" Cc: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: Re: Re[2]: PC800: Quick oil question Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 09:30:17 -0400 <<...the litigous greedy lawyers Hey, watch it, Bucko....I resemble that! :) Steve Zweigart -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: brian.hopkins@L3.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: lightweight jacket Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:35:48 -0600 While these are probably nice jackets I don't believe them to be relevant to motorcycling. I see no mention of leather, cordura, or padding in any of these. The first thing (I believe) you should look for in a jacket is safety. Otherwise, what's the point? Try looking into some of the dual sport type cordura jackets. They tend to run around $200 or so. Honestly if you can't afford 200 dollars for a little protection, you can't afford to ride. Brian D. Hopkins Denver Colorado '97 PC800 '96 VFR FWIW, my three favorite jackets: 1. A two-part jacket "system" purchased from Performance (bicycle accessories). Consists of a liner made of some modern fuzzy stuff (like dense polartec) that really keeps you warm, and can be worn alone. Outer layer is a cooler, waterproof nylon shell that can also be worn alone like a windbreaker, has LOTS of nice pockets, is a good fit so as not to cause problems in the wind, and looks very much like leather from a distance. I believe the coat cost around $150 a couple of years ago, and it's become my favorite winter coat. Contact Performance at www.performance.com. (Don't have the phone number here at the office...it's some catchy 800 number that obviously didn't work! 2. A Wrangler denim jacket. Cost about $30 at K-Mart. Is slightly oversized at the shoulders, making it comfortable to ride in. Is snug enough all around not to flap or balloon. Good overall riding jacket. 3. Pearl Izumi water/wind proof bicycling shell. I keep this in my trunk "just in case." It's extremely tight fitting, neon (really neon) yellow/green. Is absolutely water proof, but made of something that "breaths." Though I don't think I could get it on over any substantial clothing, it's proved itself to be invaluable a couple of times when riding in my shirt sleeves (alright...I know we're not supposed to do that) to keep off the wind and rain. It's just enough to provide warmth when riding through foggy or misty conditions. Very compact. Cost about $120 at a rather large and well-equipped cycle store in Cincinnati. I've been casually looking at all of the "fancy" riding clothes available for cycling, and I haven't yet found any that I'm totally satisfied with. At least not that I can afford. Steve Zweigart -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 09:55:13 -0400 To: BobDuWah@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: msf At 11:40 PM -0400 9/8/98, BobDuWah@aol.com wrote: >Ok fellow PCers >I will be taking the msf experienced rider course this weekend and would >like to know what to expect to learn from it. >Bob Ronecker >94PC >St Louis, MO > Wear comfortable clothing. If your jacket is hot, and requires wind for venting, it won't work well since you will rarely get into third gear. Wear a good jean jacket or something that will offer enough low speed protection, but won't make you overheat. What you will learn....you will learn that the PC800 is a VERY quiet bike. I took the ERC when it was organized by the local Virago Owners Group. There was also a BMW K1 and two Harley's. In that crowd the PC800 is virtually silent, and I unintentionally scared the crap out of the instructor a few times. They would turn their backs to me to straighten the orange traffic cones or something, then when they turned around I would be right there. Or they would n't realize that I was approaching, and they would quickly turn around into my path. I quickly learned to make sure they had eye contact with me when I was approaching. One of the things the local ERC here taught was how to manage a skid. They make you drive onto a small piece of plastic board, or wooden plywood, and then lock the front wheel, then accelerate a bit, to see what it feels like when you are moving but the front wheel is not turning. We also practiced driving over an obstacle on the road. They used a piece of 4 x 4 lumber. We all approached, decelerated quickly, then accelerated over the object. All of us did that, except this one guy. He was flying towards this object, and when we thought he was going to slow down, he gunned it and did an Evil Kneivel over the lumber. He kept going around again and again to try it faster. It was hilarious to watch, because his leather saddlebags would bounce up to a horizontal position. His reasoning was that if he came across an object like that on the highway during a rush hour commute, he would not be able to slow down because he would get rear-ended. You'll enjoy the course......have fun. fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com via smtpd (for Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) with SMTP; 9 Sep 1998 14:07:48 UT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 08:57:19 -0500 Subject: RE: PC800: lightweight jacket I purchased a Teknic cordura jacket last summer, or winter if you are on the S. Hemisphere, for $100. It claims to be waterproof, yea right. Maybe if I treated it with something. It's fine for a lite sprinkle but beyond that you are wet. Anyway this jacket is lightweight includes a liner that I can wear in 40F weather to 90F if I take the liner out. The jacket has padding in the shoulders, elbows and lower back. It does provide protection if needed, I know minor dump. I would rather have a Aerostich for further protection from the ground and the elements but until then the $100 was will spent. Later Roger Chaska, MN -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 10:03:15 -0400 To: "Steven R. Zweigart" , From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: headphones Cc: "PC800 Mailing List" At 9:04 AM -0400 9/9/98, Steven R. Zweigart wrote: >Yesterday in a Damark catalog, I saw a CD player made by Kenmore (20 seconds >anti-shock) that comes with a set of "noise cancelling" headphones, which >supposedly use electronic soundwave cancelling technology to make it so that >all you hear is the sound from the source. I thought it might me neat to >tear that sucker apart and mount it in my helmet. I had almost forgotten >about this technology, which would have a pretty neat application on a noisy >cycle! Anyone tried using any of these things? > >Steve Zweigart > Hi Steve. I've never used the "noise cancellation" technology on a motorcycle, but I have used it in computer rooms. It works quite well. I remember one particular computer room where the fans and UPS systems made so much noise they prevented use of the speakerphone, and we had to almost shout to hear each other. With these headphones on, the background noise was much lower. We would wear them whenever we were going to spend more than a few minutes in that room. As far as CD players go, apparently Panasonic has a 40 Second anti-shock available. I looked at a Kenwood yesterday that had a 20 second antishock and a wired remote control. It was about $140, complete with carrying case, AC adaptor, rechargeable batteries, etc. The batteries can be recharged right in the unit. Let me know if you have any luck with the noise cancellation in the helmet. It sounds like a really good idea. fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:23:46 -0300 To: "PC800 Mailing List" From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: PC800: Repair / Maint Database, one more call! Howdy people! I'm posting yet another plea for people's maintenance logs before I make the database public. Please, if you own a PC and haven't sent the your repair log (even an empty one for no repairs) to me, take five or ten minutes and do it now. Instructions for submitting the logs are at http://noc.dal.ca/~daniel/pc-maint/info.html and if you have a problem, write me back and I'll give you a hand submitting them. Thanks, and on behalf of all the people who will use the database, thanks! -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: "Francois Saint Laurent" Cc: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: msf Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 10:33:53 -0400 >>>We also practiced driving over an obstacle on the road. They used a piece of 4 x 4 lumber. Isn't that hard on the tires? I once ruined a tire on my Yamaha Riva (albeit a small tire) by riding up onto a two inch curb. It broke a belt internally, causing an ugly (and dangerous) bulge on one side of the tire tread. Of course, I'd like to think that the instructors wouldn't ask one to do something dangerous or potentially damaging to you or your bike. Steve Zweigart -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. X-UID: 00080012 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 10:38:23 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: lightweight jacket To: mdlinkous@netlinkcorp.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: PC800_List@sfcs.k12.ny.us (PC800 List) mdlinkous@netlinkcorp.com,Internet writes: >Can someone reccomend a lightweight jacket (at a reasonabe price) that is >wind resistant and has a liner. [website / phone no. needed] > >I have a heavy leather jacket for cool riding... but am looking for a >summertime jacket w/ liner that does not blow up when you you ride. > >Advice appreciated! >----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- >Michael D. Linkous >Bluefield, WV >www.angelfire.com/wv/mlink/index.html Sorry, this is a long response... This is a quest I have been on since I got my Pacific Coast in July. So far I yet to find one that suits me, but I can tell you what I have tried so far. TourMaster Cortech ($219) jacket- zip out lining , all the padding, vents, and pockets you could ask for, but it was too long (and stiff) for me (and I'm 6' 1") and bunched up under my chin even when all the straps were adjusted and zippers zipped. It also was very warm even without the liner. Mostly black, which really sucks in the heat. I did like the zippered vents in the top of the sleeves (something to look for on another brand) as well as across the chest and on the back. The Aerostitch Darien Jacket ($489) was my second try. Although lighter than the TourMaster it was still very warm on a hot day. I just got back from a trip to VA Beach and it was super hot & humid. I only wore the jacket about 30% of the trip because of the weather. I know I should have been wearing it for safety, but I just couldn't bring myself to put it on. Any jacket is better than none at all! The vents are under the arm pits (across the back also) and I did not get much air through them. Also, they had no protective mesh across them to prevent those nasty stinging bugs from slipping inside your jacket with you (not the voice of experience thankfully). Even though it too is a longer jacket (3/4 length) like the TourMaster, I did not have the problem with it bunching up under my chin. I did not like the way the protective padding was just velcroed on the inside either. Several times I caught my hand on them and ripped the pads off. No damage, just took time to reattach them. With the liner zipped in it is a very warm jacket. You can also wear the liner as a jacket and it looks good. Unlike some others I have seem that look like your are wearing the liner to a jacket! I also can't justify the very high price for this jacket. I could buy a jacket, boots and gloves for the same price as just this jacket. I tried on a Joe Rocket Ballistic jacket at a dealer in Ohio, but that was the stiffest I have tried so far. Great style, but it felt like a bullet proof suit to me. This is where I bought the TourMaster instead. My next trial will be with a Roadgear (http://www.roadgear.com/index.html ) Ouray Jacket ($285). It is shorter and I hope a bit lighter weight, but still has all the padding. It should arrive on Thursday for me to begin my 30 day test. I have learned several things so far: 1- Make I have 30 days to try it out with not return penalty 2- Look for lots of zippered venting, especially in the chest and sleeves 3- 3/4 length really serves no purpose while riding 4- I don't really need a waterproof jacket since I carry a rainsuit with me at all times. If this jacket does not work out I am next going to try the Gerbing (http://www.gerbing.com/) heated jacket (they will custom tailor it for any length I want) , or the FirstGear Kenya jacket (could not find a website anywhere). I saw the Kenya jacket at a Virginia dealer, but all he had was S & XXL in dark gray. The style looked good and the weight was also. I'm determined not to pay these prices for a jacket unless it is exactly what I like. I hope this gives you some guidance. I'm still looking and testing. Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 AMA #688662 HSTA #8387 "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 10:47:51 -0400 From: "Dana L. Sawyer" Subject: PC800: A sad day... To: HondaPacificCoastOwners , HSTA Postings to List Last Thursday I lost a along-time friend, (also a motorcyclist and pilot)= last week. Chad Gibson died at the young age of 44 from long-time complications from diabetes. This poem..."High Flight"...was printed on t= he back of the funeral service bulletin. Lynn and I went to the service yesterday. We made several motorcycle trips with Chad and his wife Virgin= ia years ago. He is also survived by a 5-year-old daughter. He was not an HS= TA member, but he was a good friend and I will miss him. There is obviously = a kindred spirit between pilots and motorcyclists, hence the reason that I= am including the poem here. Goodspeed, Chad! =93HIGH FLIGHT=94 Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings; Sunward I=92ve climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth Of sun-split clouds, and done a hundred things You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung High in the sunlit silence. Hov=92ring there, I=92ve chased the shouting wind along, and flung My eager craft through footless halls of air... Up, up the long delirious, burning blue I=92ve topped the wind-swept sanctity of space, Put out my hand and touched the face of God. John Magee -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:31:37 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: msf Hi, All: In a message dated 9/9/1998 8:55:06 AM Central Daylight Time, fsl writes: << One of the things the local ERC here taught was how to manage a skid. They make you drive onto a small piece of plastic board, or wooden plywood, and then lock the front wheel, then accelerate a bit, to see what it feels like when you are moving but the front wheel is not turning. >> That is something the local people threw in. It is NOT part of the MSF's ERC curriculum. If they ever have an accident while doing that, they will not be covered by their insurance, and they will be on their own in court. <> This exercise is one that is taken from the "Beginner's Course." It is an optional exercise in that course, and could be in the ERC as well, assuming that it is the "Optional ERC" curriculum that is being used because of a too- small riding area. It too is NOT part of the normal ERC. To address Steven's concern, if done as intended--that is, with a slow approach speed and properly timed acceleration--it will not damage either a properly inflated tire or a rim. If done as fsl describes one rider's antics, it could do both. Anyone taking a standard, MSF-approved ERC should not encounter either of these exercises. If they do, then the Instructors are not doing what they should and could be decertified for their lack of professionalism. The motorcycle community really needs competent instructors (more and more are needed all the time; so, any of you folks who are interested in teaching should get involved), but we don't need loose cannons who do/allow this sort of thing. J.T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:57:08 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: A sad day... Hi, Dana: Sorry to hear about your loss of a friend. Those of us who both ride and fly understand the bond you cite. Thanks for including High Flight. It's good to read it again now and then. It reminds me of that one dimension of flight that riding does not quite match, the ability to climb into and beyond the clouds, to play in the puffies, and to gaze into a daylight sky that is a clear, deep, deep blue. Take care, J.T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Chuck Chiodini" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Saddle Sore Trip report (long) Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 09:10:09 PDT Chuck Chiodini's Saddle Sore 1000 PREPARATION Route: I chose a simple super-slab route mainly as a confidence target and because that I only could get away from work for four days. During this time, I plan on riding 1000 miles to my "retirement ranch", spend at least two days with my wife and daughter and then the 1000 mile return trip. My overall goal is to use this trip as a "shakedown" ride for future Iron Butt conquests. My route starts in Fayetteville, NC follows I-95 North to Raleigh, NC where I pick up I-40. I follow I-40 West to Little Rock, AR. From Little Rock, I follow US-67 North to Searcy, AR then State Route 16 (beautiful mountain road full of twisties and great views) to Heber Springs, AR and the homestead. Total MapQuest distance by my count is 1,015 miles. I sent the MapQuest route maps to Mike Kneebone for pre-approval, he came up with 1,018 total miles, so I'm in there! Motorcycle 1989 Honda Pacific Coast: Just replaced my rear tire 3,000 miles ago but the front looked "iffy", so on with a new Dunlop K177. Drilled a few holes of various sizes in my old tire to practice my patching technique. Also spent the last two weeks practicing removing bike parts likely to cause problems such as tires, voltage regulator, headlight bulb etc. to see where I needed to supplement my tool kit in case of roadside repairs. All my bike's fluids have been changed as well as the fork seals. Over the past few months I've set up the bike for long distance touring by adding a Rifle windscreen, Vista-Cruise throttle lock, foam rubber grips and a gel saddle insert. My only concern is the reported early failure of the Pacific Coast's stator. I replaced a failed regulator/rectifier a few months back and added a VDO voltmeter to monitor the electrical system. I also added an auxiliary power port with a 4' coiled cord for electrical access to the system should I need it. I have complete confidence in the reliability of the bike. Mental: I've traveled this route on a more relaxed schedule, so I'm certain that I can accomplish this mission. I'm usually the "stop and smell the roses" touring type and am not sure if the "run till ya need gas" ride is my cup o' tea. It will be very difficult for me to avoid some of the excellent riding side trips off this route. The only problem area that I anticipate is heavy rush traffic through the Raleigh-Durham area. My personal goals for this ride are: 1) Have a safe ride 2) Practice my "Iron Butt" gas stops and procedures 3) Experiment to find the optimum cruising parameters for my bike (speed, tire pressure, packing) 4) Try to average 60 mph while "on the road" THE RIDE Started out in Fayetteville in pouring rain with the forecast of increasing rainfall along my route to Tennessee. Not to worry, I've spent nine years in Panama riding in tropical rain so I'm not concerned, at least it won't be hot! Raleigh rush hour was worse than I expected and North Carolinians don't know squat about driving in the rain, very scary! I just kept goal #1 in mind and took my time. Met up with another rider on a Yamaha YZF in Raleigh rush hour. He was wearing rain soaked sneakers, jeans and a sweatshirt and a huge smile! He made it clear that he was heading to the mountains as well but would pull off and wait for the rain to pass. We spent about an hour riding together and taking great joy in smiling and waving at the cagers who must have thought we were out of our tree! Rain finally let up just west of Statesville, North Carolina and I pulled into a rest stop to take off the "Dri-Rider". What's this? After firing up my "Scooter", the headlight won't come on. Check the fuses, all OK. Check the wiring to the bulb, no juice, what gives? I figure it must be water in my handlebar mounted dimmer switch or my "custom made" headlight on/off switch. I pull off all of my plastic surrounding the handlebars and start blowing off switches with air (forgot the WD40!), still no luck. Broke out my Honda shop manual and traced the headlight wiring. Didya know that the engine kill switch effects the headlight power? I do now! A few quick taps and puffs of air and I now have a headlight! Thank goodness I already practiced pulling off the plastic and had all of the necessary tools and shop manual. I probably could have fixed it by simply blasting the switch with WD40 without any disassembly, but that's what "practice rides" are all about! Made some good time since the rain abated. Had to tug on the bars to keep "Scooter" from detouring on the Blue Ridge Parkway but we had a plan to complete. Drove through the night without problem until about 5 AM. Didn't get a super night's sleep last night and left immediately after a long, hectic day at work. My first indication of alertness problems was maintaining a constant speed. The big red flag came up when I passed a truck that I didn't remember seeing on the road. Back to goal #1 and pull over! Got an excellent hour of quality sleep at the "Iron Butt Hotel" (picnic table at the rest stop). Since I had an abundance of room in my bike's trunk, I brought a Thermo-rest" pad and a light sleeping bag…heaven! Woke up with the sunrise, gas up and GO! Nothing out of the ordinary except a Harley rider was desperately trying to communicate something when I passed him outside of Nashville. Turns out he was giving me the lecture that helmets kill while traveling at 75 mph! Thanks guy, but I'll continue to exercise my freedom of choice and wear mine, thankyouverymuch! Just west of Nashville, the weather got Africa hot. Wet down my thermal T-shirt under my leather jacket and really noticed the cooling effect; wouldn't have believed it until I tried it. Pulled into West Memphis for a gas stop and found out that no matter how practiced you are at 10 minute stops, Mr. Murphy is always out there. The "automatic pump" was out of paper so I trudged inside (very hot and cranky). Inside the truck stop, I saw a long line of irate truckers (about 15 of 'em) waiting to pay their bill (they all looked hot and cranky too). There were three cash registers and four employees behind the "service" counter but it seemed to me they were doing everything but working. One was talking on the phone to someone obviously more important than a paying customer, two were in a heated argument on who got the first break and the last one was selling money orders! A small "truckers revolt ensued (remember we were all hot and cranky) and the manager came out and started actually working with a smile. In quick order, I paid and noticed that she was giving away free beverages to soothe some raw nerves. I've never heard truckers cheer before. Wild! The next two legs, from Memphis to Little Rock to Searcy was the longest for me. I usually take a short cut that saves me the trip through crowded Little Rock and the congested highway to Searcy, but I have an "Iron Butt" approved route to follow! It was long and very hot on the superslab, not to mention boring. To pass the time, I wicked up the speed to slightly illegal and found that my Pacific Coast is almost invisible to Mr. Officer Friendly. Loud pipes might save lives but my whisper quiet and subdued color (Pearl White) bike didn't attract any unwanted attention. I passed a radar trap just north of Little Rock at 85 mph and watched as the lights came on for the guy behind me in the "Racing Red" Mazda Miata with aftermarket pipes. Really felt smug with my "cloaking device" equipped bike. Felt sort of silly stopping three times within 200 miles on my last leg for gas receipts but I wanted to practice my stops as well as document every major turn on my route to "prove" I didn't take any shortcuts. The final leg from Searcy to Heber Springs was beautiful as always, made even better knowing that my wife, daughter and dog were waiting for me at the end! RIDE TOTALS Mileage: 1,028.1 (my indicated odometer) Gas Used: 22.9 gallons Average MPG: 44.9 mpg Time (start to finish): 22:28 hrs LESSONS LEARNED 1. My PC800 does best at 65-70 mph for fuel consumption /speed. It will cruise happily all day at 80-90 mph but the drop in mpg isn't worth it. Besides, legal 65-70 might save money & time on speeding tickets! 2. Preparation is the key! If I hadn't had the proper tools, shop manual and practiced most maintaince tasks, my roadside repair would have made me a "Did Not Finish". Sure wish I had packed some WD40! 3. The "Saddle Sore 1000" can be run at a relaxed speed with time for food and rest breaks as long as you don't get too complacent. 4. The PC800 is an excellent touring machine but the switch-gear is far from waterproof! Wish it had a taller "over-drive" gear to enable an economical cruise speed of….shall we say 90 mph? I know, there's always the ST1100, but I'd miss the trunk. 5. Marvel Mystery oil added to my gas (1/2 oz. to gallon of gas) seems to make the engine run "smoother". 6. No matter how hot and cranky/cold and wet you get, it always pays to stay cool and ENJOY THE RIDE! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PLeray@aol.com for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 12:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 12:21:11 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: lightweight jacket Mike, After reading a few of the responses you've gotten, I thought I'd pass along a few ideas of mine. The one I used for years (I'm an old fart) was the idea of the K-Mart Wrangler denim jacket. Some, nowadays, are "stylish" and made of lighter denim, but a heavy, stiff-when-new jacket is probably still around. BUY IT BIG, it'll shrink, a lot, and besides, there's more to do to it. NOW. Once you get the jacket, find an alteration shop or seamstress in your town/city. They'll be so tired of hemming pants and skirts, they'll see this project like chocolate candy. Hit a fabric store and ask to see the fake-fur type fabrics. There are several types/weights. Get a big enough chunk to line the back and 2 front panels. Then ask where the velcro strips are, buy some. Go see the sew-er person. Have them stitch, inside the jacket, at strategic points, the velcro. Then measure/cut the liner-stuff across your back while in riding position, and stitch on the velcro's mating pieces. Heck, you might even want to have the collar lined while you're at it. If you get really friendly with a sewing-type they might could pad the elbows with pieces of leather from a craft shop too. (You could do a lot of this velcro stuff yourself with a hot-glue gun.) What you get out of this is a jacket that: 1) In the summer, no liner, buttoned as to your choice, from the bottom up, for ventilation. And if really hot, wet it down and be air-conditioned 'til it dries out. 2) A great thing to sew rally patches/pins onto. 3) In cooler weather, slip in any of the 3 furry pads as needed. If really cold, put the collar liner in and put it on over a sweater (see why I said buy it big?). My old (24 yrs) denim jacket still works just that way (I was young and dumb so I used snaps instead of velcro). And, yes, I fell with it once. Denim is tough enough to take a bit of asphalt. And, anyway, even heavy nylon isn't gonna do much in a real high-speed fall-down. Unless it's so heavy as to be unuseable most of the time (see someone's comment about the Joe Rocket). Plus this is cheap as dirt. And you can impress people by saying that you designed/made it yourself. The underlying concept here is FLEXIBILITY. YOU decide what you need and when. The more things you add to it / modify it, the richer it gets over the years. The more stories to tell. Oh, well, an alternative viewpoint. Patrick in La. '97 Thumper Rabbit -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 12:39:14 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: "Steven R. Zweigart" CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: msf Steven R. Zweigart wrote: > > >>>We also practiced driving over an obstacle on the road. They used a piece > of 4 x 4 lumber. > > Isn't that hard on the tires? I once ruined a tire on my Yamaha Riva > (albeit a small tire) by riding up onto a two inch curb. It broke a belt > internally, causing an ugly (and dangerous) bulge on one side of the tire > tread. Of course, I'd like to think that the instructors wouldn't ask one > to do something dangerous or potentially damaging to you or your bike. > > Steve Zweigart As someone already noted, not part of regular ERC that I have ever seen, but is part of the RSS (beginner course). My response would have been, not with my bike I won't, haul out one of yours from the beginner class. The chance of damage may be reasonable, but any chance falls on them, not me. Also, I took the class with a 1500 wing. You will have a much easier time with the PC. When I first took it, I was annoyed that a guy on a sport bike (I had one Harley, three sport bikes, and one dual sport in my class) could easily make some manuevers because of the size of the bike (Wing bigger everywhere, heavier, longer wheelbase, etc). I barely passed, but was able to see later that, the real world out there don't care if your riding a Wing or a scooter. That car that stopped in front of you is going to be at the same distance no matter what you are driving and if you cannot manuever around him, your going to hit him. If that means you have to be better than the guy on the sport bike, because your bike is slower to react, then so be it, you better be better. I had hoped to take it again this year with the ACE but it was not offered here this year (only RSS, and I did not want to take that, plus it is not on my bike). Good luck to the original writer TommyTeal -- 93SE (Teal, You Think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast 98V-Star (Red, you bet) GWTA #6871 GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 12:40:51 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: "Paul B. Atkins" CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: MSF - ERC Paul B. Atkins wrote: > > Ditto on everything tht Ann Wrote down....I took both the beginning course > LAST spring and the ERC this spring and loved both, but especially the ERC. > I loved taking it on my PC, learned a lot...all the things listed below and > had some fun. It was a hoot watching the full dress harleys and the > instructor's Wing go through the course. Great experience! Well, I am so glad you got a chuckle out of it bub! Sheesh. ;-) TommyTeal -- 93SE (Teal, You Think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast 98V-Star (Red, you bet) GWTA #6871 GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 13:23:37 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Betty Lise Anderson Subject: Re: PC800: lightweight jacket [detailed description of how to line a denim jacket with fake fur for warmth deleted] Patrick's idea has some merit. As a seamstress (it's easy to see why they aren't called "sewers"), let me add: fake fur these days is usally made out of crappy yucky scratchy materials and the cheap stuff generally has a very loose weave on the backing meaning the air will go right through it. Many of them are not washable, so may turn into something even ickier if you sweat in it. May I suggest, as an alternative, polartec or some lighter but similar ilk? These are not as cheap, but they are unbeleivable warm, lightweight aand washable. Also WAY easier to sew with. To line a jacket is much more interesting than hemming pants and skirts, I agree big time, but it is also non-trivial- in fact it's a pain. Of course, if you don't care what it looks like, and don't want to line the sleeves, it gets easier, especially if you can accept serged (overcast) edges rather than finished edges, but will still take the seamstress some time, for which she will charge you unless you are married to her (or him, if it's a seamster- is that a word?). Also, if you have long hair, you already know to avoid putting velcro anywhere your hair can reach (ow ow ow). Even if you have short hair, put the teeth part on the liner so that when you remove the liner, all you have exposed inside your jacket is the innocuous fuzzy stuff. That way you won't scalp yourself putting your jacket on. Just the voice of experience...not me but a friend of mine, of course. Betty Lise Anderson Dept. Of Electrical Engineering The Ohio State University 205 Dreese Lab 2015 Neil Avenue Columbus OH check out the cool zip code 43210 http://eewww.eng.ohio-state.edu/~anderson/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 13:19:29 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: Chuck Chiodini CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Saddle Sore Trip report (long) Chuck Chiodini wrote: > > Chuck Chiodini's Saddle Sore 1000 Great ride report Chuck, but I am confused about one thing. Didn't you get credit for this ride? You keep mentioning that this was only a practice ride. Isn't 1000 miles in 24 hours the thing to do? TommyTeal -- 93SE (Teal, You Think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast 98V-Star (Red, you bet) GWTA #6871 GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: VP222@aol.com Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 13:53:30 EDT To: des1@ntr.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: headphones In a message dated 9/9/98 8:55:21 AM Central Daylight Time, des1@ntr.net writes: << Yesterday in a Damark catalog, I saw a CD player made by Kenmore (20 seconds anti-shock) that comes with a set of "noise cancelling" headphones, which supposedly use electronic soundwave cancelling technology to make it so that all you hear is the sound from the source. I thought it might me neat to tear that sucker apart and mount it in my helmet. I had almost forgotten about this technology, which would have a pretty neat application on a noisy cycle! Anyone tried using any of these things? >> Sony actually makes a set of noise canceling earbuds: Sony consumer electronics guide: MDR-NC10 (www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/ss5/portable/accessories/noisecancelingheadphon es/mdr-nc10.shtml). I'd love to try these out if I could find a discount, mailorder house that would get them for me. Clint Greenwalt -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:15:51 -0400 To: "Steven R. Zweigart" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: msf Cc: "PC800 Mailing List" At 10:33 AM -0400 9/9/98, Steven R. Zweigart wrote: >>>>We also practiced driving over an obstacle on the road. They used a piece >of 4 x 4 lumber. > >Isn't that hard on the tires? Yup. I imagine that it would be hard on the tire, as well as the forks, the bearings, etc. They don't force you to do it, they just recommend that if you want to try it, at least here it can be tried in a somewhat closed environment. fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by hera.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA21255 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 12:17:39 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 12:18:42 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Hsu Subject: Re: PC800: headphones I've got a pair of MDR-NC10s, and they work quite well. Two cautions, though: - The in-ear parts are pretty big, they may hurt after extended use for some. The advantage is the very good (passive) noise sealing. - The earpieces are pretty big overall--my helmet's snug and I haven't yet figured out how to make it and the NC10 co-exist...:-( The NC10's active noise reduction isn't quite as good as the Noisebuster Extreme (which unfortunately is a fragile piece of crap otherwise), but the active reduction plus the good sealing equals excellent overall performance. The other Sony noise reduction headsets are built better than the Noisebuster Extreme, but offer inferior performance. I've yet to see the NC10 available in the US (soon, hopefully). I got mine in Japan, where I've seen them for 10,000 yen in the Narita duty free. While I'm out from under my rock, I bought a 98 in July from Honda of Milpitas (very good service), took the entry MSF course in August (2 month wait in San Jose!), and am constantly amazed that Honda doesn't do a better job of marketing a very nice bike... Back to lurking... Regards, Dave Hsu At 01:53 PM 9/9/98 EDT, VP222@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 9/9/98 8:55:21 AM Central Daylight Time, des1@ntr.net >writes: > ><< Yesterday in a Damark catalog, I saw a CD player made by Kenmore (20 >seconds > anti-shock) that comes with a set of "noise cancelling" headphones, which > supposedly use electronic soundwave cancelling technology to make it so that > all you hear is the sound from the source. I thought it might me neat to > tear that sucker apart and mount it in my helmet. I had almost forgotten > about this technology, which would have a pretty neat application on a noisy > cycle! Anyone tried using any of these things? >> > >Sony actually makes a set of noise canceling earbuds: >Sony consumer electronics guide: MDR-NC10 > >(www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/ss5/portable/accessories/noisecancelingheadp hon >es/mdr-nc10.shtml). I'd love to try these out if I could find a discount, >mailorder house that would get them for me. > >Clint Greenwalt >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Hilsinger, George" To: "'PC800'" Subject: PC800: Harley Open House..What a joke Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 12:19:05 -0700 Russ Vernon wrote: >...for some obscure reason motorcycles have to be assembled in Wisconson to be worth >owning?... Actually, Harleys Big Twins are assembled in York, Pennsylvania and the Sportsters and Buells are assembled in the new Kansas City plant that opened this Spring. George Hilsinger HilsinG@wsdot.wa.gov 97 PC800 81 CM400 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:24:17 -0400 To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: msf At 11:31 AM -0400 9/9/98, JTSMCRIDER@aol.com wrote: >Hi, All: > >In a message dated 9/9/1998 8:55:06 AM Central Daylight Time, fsl writes: > ><< One of the things the local ERC here taught was how to manage a skid. They > make you drive onto a small piece of plastic board, or wooden plywood, and > then lock the front wheel, then accelerate a bit, to see what it feels like > when you are moving but the front wheel is not turning. >> > >That is something the local people threw in. It is NOT part of the MSF's ERC >curriculum. If they ever have an accident while doing that, they will not be >covered by their insurance, and they will be on their own in court. > Hello J.T. and everyone else. I guess I should have mentionned that this course was offered by the Ottawa-Carleton Motorcycle Safety Council here in Ottawa Canada. It is not a 'branch office" of the Motorcycle Safety Foundation in the US. And as JT has pointed out, anything on this course that was unsafe was offered as an 'optional extra', where the driver knew they that he/she was assuming all risk. For example. they also taught us how to shift without the clutch, in case you end up somewhere with a broken clutch cable. (Or you could buy a PC800 with a hydrauic clutch!) Ride safe everyone... fsl :-) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Chuck Chiodini" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 14:20:34 PDT Fellow listers: Ann Reid wrote the following, any interest in T-shirts? Sounds like a good project for this list. I noticed that shirts were done a few years ago and were very popular. Any takers on a ramrod for this project? Chuck, 1) I have found a perfect PC clip art pic at my local trophy shop while ordering for a RFK rund raiser function. I'm having my artist friend paint it on the back of my Strugis, Black Hills Tee ... just under the official Rally Logo. 2) I had the Hardly A. Davidson shtuff printed on Tess several years ago. It seems to me that if you have copy ready art there are still some costs a) One time silk screen setup was about $150. b) Shirt prices varied with color of shirt and short sleeve vs. long etc. ie. White on black shirt was more 'cause had to dbl. print to show up well. c) Depending up quantity ordered, the prices of shirt can vary up to $1-$2 each. 3) There are many tee shirt silk screening places here. But I would not commit until I saw the color of everyone's money. We could mail the finished shirts out at priority mail (USA only) for $3 for up to 2 shirts I think. 4) I do not have the time to ramrod such a project. But it's a good idea and I could have the artwork and setup done here and then mail ALL tees to someone else to distribute to buyers blah blah blah Gotta go. Ann ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BobDuWah@aol.com Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 17:54:10 EDT To: annreid@juno.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: MSF - ERC Thanks to everyone for the insight on the msf class !! Sounds similar to the beginners class only riding my own bike instead. Ann said her class is free?? Had to pay $60 here in St Louis . Must be insurance to protect the class from Mark Mcguire homeruns ;) Bob Ronecker 94PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Custom ride Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 00:23:31 +0200 Van: Jim Randall Datum: woensdag 9 september 1998 2:34 >A thing of beauty is a joy forever... >http://www.eurosoft-ind.demon.co.uk/bdodds.htm#Barry Dodds K100 FF > If you like this, you'll love this: http://www.meos.ch/peraves I want one of these for sure. The best acceleration, super top speed, super mileage and retractable gear (yes, it's a motorcycle. But you don't need a helmet for it since it's also a bit of a car). Too bad these guys start at CHF55000, which is about $36000 USD. ___ [_ mile Nossin '90 PC800 "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Holland, Santpoort 'Never look back upon your live and say: " I should have done that....."' http://www.angelfire.com/nh/Nossin ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:45:53 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Gregg L. DesElms" To: "97PC800" <97PC800@bizgroup.net>, "pc 800 list" Cc: "GORDON A. GOLDER" Subject: PC800: Re: Pretend this is MC related. Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 18:45:27 -0400 -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: 97PC800 <97PC800@bizgroup.net> To: pc 800 list Cc: GORDON A. GOLDER Date: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 8:27 PM Subject: PC800: Pretend this is MC related. >I woke up early feeling depressed because it was my birthday, and I >thought,"I'm another year older," but decided not to dwell on it. So I >showered and shaved, knowing when I went down to breakfast my wife >would greet me with a big kiss and say, "Happy birthday, dear." >All smiles, I went into breakfast, and there sat my wife reading the >newspaper as usual. She didn't say a word. So I got myself a cup of >coffee and thought, "Oh well, she forgot. The kids will be down in a >few minutes, they will sing 'Happy Birthday' and have a nice gift for >me." > >There I sat, enjoying my coffee, and I waited. Finally the kids came >running into the kitchen yelling, "Give me a slice of toast! I'm ----------SNIPPED (SO WE DON'T HAVE TO ENDURE IT AGAIN) ------------- If this story is true, you're a jerk. If this story is untrue, you're a jerk. Gregg L. DesElms deselms@royal.net '89 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by email.med.yale.edu (PMDF V5.2-22 #30262) 9 Sep 1998 18:53:59 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 19:01:28 +0000 From: todd Subject: PC800: 89pc for sale To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Reply-to: todd@buzz.med.yale.edu x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" 89 pc $2500.00 Rifile tall windshield, 11000 miles, new seat and in great condition. Located in East Haven, CT. Todd Scot 203-467-0656 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 19:06:57 EDT To: gdeselms@networkspecialties.com, 97PC800@bizgroup.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: gag@iserv.net Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Pretend this is MC related. In a message dated 9/9/98 5:47:01 PM Central Daylight Time, gdeselms@networkspecialties.com writes: << If this story is true, you're a jerk. If this story is untrue, you're a jerk. Gregg L. DesElms >> Umm, Gregg, where is our "sense of humor" "let's all be friends" hat today. Remember the delete button? Nothing racist or anti-religion or anti anything.... perhaps a bit misogynist... so, please, for the sake of EVERYONE here, let's not have another FREE SPEECH war..... Thanks, off soapbox.... TZ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: headphones Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 01:06:46 +0200 Van: Steven R. Zweigart Datum: woensdag 9 september 1998 15:22 >about this technology, which would have a pretty neat application on a noisy >cycle! Anyone tried using any of these things? > I'm no expert on these things, I do know they have great ANR headsets for pilots. Someone on the ST1100 list (don't ask) installed an Active Noise Reduction headset in his helmet and afterwards he felt sorry he wrecked a perfectly good headset for this. Two things why they didn't work : you can't install the earseals in the helmet. In my opnion a fighter helmet with built in headset (speakers and earseals) should solve this, but I don't like open face helmets. The second (main) problem was (in combination with the earseals) that the little speakers could never reproduce the same amount of (counter phase) decibels the windnoise produces. I think right now it's only possible in theory. You can put a aviation ANR headset on and it would probably work. If you wreck the speakers out and put them in your helmet, you don't have the passive noise canceling the headset has (the earseals), so it doens't work anymore. I believe the Active Noise canceling would also be aimed at a perticular frequency range. Putting them in a different working environment probably doesn't help, allthough the windnoise in small aircraft is basically the same as on motorcycles (my custom earplugs were designed for motorcyclers and pilots. They have other for heavy industry). I would love to see a full face helmet with built in passive (+active) noise canceling headset. The passive canceling should probably be enough. The active would make it super quiet. But then there would probably be the question if it would be legal to ride with an headset, allthough everybody knows that a cage is one big headset nowadays. Someday maybe...... ___ [_ mile Nossin '90 PC800 "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Holland, Santpoort 'Never look back upon your live and say: " I should have done that....."' http://www.angelfire.com/nh/Nossin ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Wed, 09 Sep 1998 19:08:04 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael D. Linkous" To: "Pacific Coast" Subject: PC800: thanks for jacket info Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 19:07:04 -0400 Thanks for all of the input! As a beginner, it is hard for me to look at a picture of something. I am planning a trip in the Carolinas in a month or so! I am planning on visiting some of the alrger dealers who may have a good selection... mine has squat! If anyone knows of a dealer in NC/SC with a great selection of jackets... let me know! I hear that there is a large dealership in Hendersonville, NC that has a lot of clothing... anyone been there? Steve Z... Are you making a trip to Cincinnati to see Mark McQuire hit a homer or two? I hear it is a sell out! Back when I was in school in Cinti.... I could go see a game for $4.00 (and that wasnt 50 yrs ago... only 3)... It was worth it to see Marge.... ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- Michael D. Linkous Bluefield, WV www.angelfire.com/wv/mlink/index.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ruf@nconnect.net Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 18:42:46 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: A parody I came across this today and thought it interesting. Perhaps, it could be thought of as a parody related to HD and Honda. :-) "Saturday's A-Rowing" aka "If at first you don't succeed, redefine success." American and Japanese big business decided to engage in a competitive crew race. Both teams practiced hard and long to reach their peak performance. On the big day, both teams felt ready. The Japanese won by a mile. The American team was discouraged by the loss. Morale sagged. Corporate management decided that the reason for the crushing defeat had to be found so a consulting firm was hired to investigate the problem and recommend corrective action. The consultant's finding: The Japanese team had 8 people rowing and one person steering. The American team had one person rowing and 8 people steering. After a year of study, and millions spent on analyzing the problem, the consulting firm concluded that too many people were steering and not enough were rowing on the American team. As the race day neared again the following year, the American team's management structure was completely reorganized. The new structure: Four steering managers, three area steering managers, and a new performance review system for the person rowing the boat to provide work incentive. At the race, the Japanese won by two miles. Humiliated again, the American corporation laid off the rower for poor performance, and gave the managers a bonus for discovering the problem. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Quick oil question of "Wed, 09 Sep 1998 06:06:09 EDT." <199809091008.GAA00162@erinet.com> Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 19:01:51 -0500 "Tosh Konya" writes: > ---------- > > From: David Kelly > > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > > Subject: Re: PC800: Quick oil question > > Date: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 9:57 PM > > > Think the Mobil-1 ads were cooking the oil to 400F or more for extended > > periods. I don't believe that is as unrealistic as you make it. > > I explained that I neither boiled my oil in a pan nor drained it before > riding > so wasn't impressed with TV ads. If you understood anything I said, then you would have understood that you *do* boil your oil in the pan. Or more precisely, in the cylinder bore and on the cylinder head. If your oil is 200F, that doesn't mean its all at 200 degrees. Half is more, half is less. Some molecules will be at 250 degrees. Some molecules will be at 150 degrees. Much fewer will be 50 degrees off the mean than only 5 degrees off, but some will be none the less. Sustained extreme temperature tests are valid benchmarks for lower temperature performance and life because some of the oil *is* at elevated temperatures, even if only for a moment. And this isn't even considering some parts of the engine are at different temperatures than others. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 17:10:55 -0700 To: "Steven R. Zweigart" , From: Greg Chambers Subject: Re: PC800: Harley Open House..What a joke. Cc: "Pacific Coast Mailing List" At 09:42 AM 9/6/98 -0400, Steven R. Zweigart wrote: > >Sure, I'd like the opportunity to ride a Harley some time. Who knows, I may >even decide I want one some day. I rode a Harley Softtail 500 miles over the course of two months (loaned by a friend) to be sure I really wanted a motorcycle before laying out the money for my PC. It was great fun, and much different, but certainly not anything you would want to go over 100 miles on. I won't be buying one. And if I ever miss the Harley, I'll just run out to the garage and try one more time to clean up that permanent oil stain, just for old times' sake. Greg Chambers -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: SPREADTHEM@aol.com for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 20:18:00 +2000 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 20:18:00 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: wanted wanted I have a 1990 red PC800 anyone selling a Givi case, Rifle windshield, or corbin seat must be in good condition -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: lightweight jacket Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 03:07:07 +0200 Van: PLeray@aol.com >Denim is tough enough to take a bit of asphalt. And, anyway, even heavy nylon >isn't gonna do much in a real high-speed fall-down. Unless it's so heavy as >to be unuseable most of the time (see someone's comment about the Joe Rocket). > Patrick, I don't think you're jacket will protect your skin in a genuine slider. This is a quote from http://home.earthlink.net/~jamesdavis/DISCUSS.html : " In studies of 'survivability' of various garment materials to a 50 MPH ride on asphalt, for example, denim lasted no more than FOUR FEET before wearing through. Kevlar, on the other hand, lasted EIGHTEEN FEET. But standard motorcycle quality (about three times heavier than fashion jacket material) lasted EIGHTY-SIX FEET. That's more than 20 times as effective as your jeans in protecting your hide. [The tests were reported in the September 1988 issue of Cycle magazine.] " I've got an article here where they tested kevlar-reinforced denim jeans and jackets. They tested it's 'crashworthiness' by dressing an editor in these suits and than dragging him behind a car over asphalt, while he was hanging on to a rope, turning his body in various positions to test all the sides. He wore a leather combi beneath the suit (and a helmet) to protect him. They started out with a testtrack of 50 meters and wanted to make a full pull to a maximum of 50 km/h (30mph). After a few testruns the test-jeans were showing so much damage after 20 meter, with the speed up to 15 km/h (9 mph), that futher pulling was not necessary. So they shortened the test track to 25 meters with speed up to 15km/h / 9mph (9MPH!!!!!!!!!!!). The end results were so bad, that they didn't have the usual testwinner or best buy. The conclusion was that these kevlar reinforced jeans only gave a fake safety appearance, there are only bad and less bad suits. It's better than regular jeans, but hey, 9mph is not even bicycle speed. They also state that it's better to have tight fitting suits and that a lot of buttons on the suit (jacket) don't help in protection. I havn't yet read a cordura test, but of what I've read and heard, they're pretty much like leather. My cordura jacket has removable lining and lots of pockets and protectors. It's a heavy jacket, but I find it very comfortable in summer, in winter, on the bike and while walking for hours. It's also waterproof (tested it myself). It seems you guys across the pond haven't got a lot of choice in motorcycle clothing, . So far I've only heard continuously of three brands. I can't even count the different brands we have here. At least 20 brands I think, all selling different types of cordura and leather stuff. Sliding along..... ___ [_ mile Nossin '90 PC800 "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Holland, Santpoort 'Never look back upon your live and say: " I should have done that....."' http://www.angelfire.com/nh/Nossin ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: lightweight jacket Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 03:13:36 +0200 >In studies of 'survivability' of various garment materials to a 50 MPH ride on asphalt, >for example, denim lasted no more than FOUR FEET before wearing through. >Kevlar, on the other hand, lasted EIGHTEEN FEET. But standard motorcycle quality ***leather*** (about three times heavier than fashion jacket material) lasted EIGHTY-SIX FEET. >That's more than 20 times as effective as your jeans in protecting your hide. >[The tests were reported in the September 1988 issue of Cycle magazine.] Sorry, I deleted the word leather in the previous message. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: FW: PC800: headphones Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 20:53:04 -0400 Emile wrote: >But then there would probably be the question if it would be legal to = ride with an headset...=20 Several US States forbid use of helmet speakers / headphones and others = limit usage to communications only or to a single ear. Details are = available on the AMA website. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: FW: PC800: Harley Open House..What a joke. Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 21:19:13 -0400 I've spent a little time on a friend's '97 low rider. This model has the = rubber-mounted evo engine and his bike has been cammed, jetted and piped = to pump out about 25% more power than stock. The bike is painted the = same blue as a Foster's ale label and is beautiful to behold and is = definitely fun to ride for short distances in straight lines (that's why = they call them cruisers, I guess!). The power is awesome and it is = really a hoot to crank it on and feel that big v-twin throb (even = through the rubber mounts) BUT, I didn't come away from the experience = wanting one. It still vibrates badly, is too loud, has limited ground = clearance, a relatively uncomfortable seat and his spends a lot of time = in the shop. The rear suspension on the low rider model is quite limited = and the rider feels pretty much every thing the road has to offer. I = guess it's a matter of preference but I could never get used to the peg = position. I've never ridden a touring model Harley and I suspect many of = my complaints about the low rider would be addressed by a more distance = worthy model. But all that aside, IMO the worst thing about Harleys is the image they = project. The things are veritable magnets for every non-conformist, = anti-social rule-breaker that roams the earth - I just can seem to get = comfortable with that image. Most Harley fans would find it hard to = believe that I LIKE my Aerostitch and my full-coverage Shoei and feel a = lot more secure when I have them on. I'm quite sure they consider us = Honda and particularly us PC riders really ANAL and by their standards = indeed we are. Guess it takes all kinds. Unfortunately, we are all = judged by the non-motorcycling community by the visable actions of the = most obvious subset of us. Guess which group that is? Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Greg Chambers [SMTP:gpchambers@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 1998 8:11 PM To: Steven R. Zweigart; RVPC800@aol.com Cc: Pacific Coast Mailing List Subject: Re: PC800: Harley Open House..What a joke. At 09:42 AM 9/6/98 -0400, Steven R. Zweigart wrote: > >Sure, I'd like the opportunity to ride a Harley some time. Who knows, = I may >even decide I want one some day. =20 I rode a Harley Softtail 500 miles over the course of two months (loaned = by a friend) to be sure I really wanted a motorcycle before laying out the money for my PC. It was great fun, and much different, but certainly = not anything you would want to go over 100 miles on. I won't be buying one. And if I ever miss the Harley, I'll just run out to the garage and try = one more time to clean up that permanent oil stain, just for old times' = sake. =20 Greg Chambers -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) 10 Sep 1998 01:37:27 +0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 18:33:33 -0500 From: Mike & Cindy Ver Velde Subject: Re: PC800: lightweight jacket To: PLeray@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Patrick writes: The one I used for years (I'm an old fart) was >the idea of the K-Mart Wrangler denim jacket. I was actually wondering about the denim jackets- but combined with something like the Knox armor/mesh jacket underneath... I have the Aerostitch Darien, and yeah, there are times it's so hot Id like to take it off, and unlike some of you, I don't have the guts to ride without it. Would like a summer jacket and something like this could be nice for those short jaunts... Mike -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (IPAD 2.07) id 6713400 ; Wed, 09 Sep 1998 21:51:34 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 21:52:48 -0400 From: Scot Piper To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: modulator/pants I just visited the Kisan website and it doesn't appear obvious that the modulator for the PC800 is just a 'plug and play' unit. However, seems like everyone who bought a modulator from Kisan says 'plug and play'. A lot of talk about jackets lately, but not much talk about pants. Any suggestions? I'm considering the Joe Rocket Ballistic pants. Would be nice if I could get a pair that would work for snowmobiling too... Scot '89 PC800 '93 Polaris 440 Indy -------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by PM05SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) 10 Sep 1998 02:02:50 +0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 18:58:06 -0500 From: Mike & Cindy Ver Velde Subject: Re: PC800: lightweight jacket To: Betty Lise Anderson , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Re:Demim jacket liners Betty writes: May I suggest, as an alternative, polartec or some lighter but >similar ilk? These are not as cheap, but they are unbeleivable warm, >lightweight aand washable. Also WAY easier to sew with. > Would it be easier to buy the demin jackets that are already lined with polarfleece? The lined pants are advertised in many riding mags, and I have seen lined jackets in other outdoor mags. For a summer jacket, Just sew vents on selected areas, can add mesh there as well. I have a microfleece jacket that I wear under my Aerostitch when its a bit chilly out. That would work great under a denim as well for cool riding... (and for those safety conscious- something like the Knox armor/mesh jacket underneath).. Just a thought. Mike -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by PM05SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) 10 Sep 1998 02:18:46 +0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 19:14:53 -0500 From: Mike & Cindy Ver Velde Subject: Re: PC800: lightweight jacket To: Emile Nossin , PC800 Emile wrote: It seems you guys across >the pond haven't got a lot of choice in motorcycle clothing, . So far I've only heard >continuously of three brands. I can't even count the different brands we have >here. At least 20 brands I think, all selling different types of cordura and leather stuff. >Sliding along..... Hey Emile, have you thought about becoming an entrepreneur, and channeling all those different brands across the pond to us yankees with so little choices? Mike -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Adrian Zai" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: lightweight jacket Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:36:13 -0400 Talking about summer jackets, I've been wearing a Marsee jacket that I have been very satisfied with. The only complaint I have is the price ($395). The jacket is exclusively made out of ballistics fabric, which is much lighter than leather. The black jacket is also enhanced by reflective Shoeller fabric in the shoulder and the back area. Adrian Zai '98 PC800 AMA# 676212 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rocheux@juno.com by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DNRKDZLA; Wed, 09 Sep 1998 22:43:12 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:39:32 -0400 Subject: PC800: Chevette? Quickly, since I see so much about odd things may I ask you to reply to me aside if you know anything about whether an 86 Chevette is a piece of junk or a good car. I had heard they were all dogs and a friend is offered a nice one for $600 with 115 thousand miles on it. Rocky _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rocheux@juno.com by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DNRLDFEJ; Wed, 09 Sep 1998 23:00:22 EDT To: rthomass@ccmail.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:44:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Re[2]: PC800: Quick oil question Wow! Thank you! I stand corrected. I would say that it is hard to find a player in the corporate arena today that would not be as cold as MOBIL was as you describe them. Would you not agree? Rocky On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 16:38:44 -0700 "Roy Thomassen" writes: >AV1, the synthetic oil for piston engine aircraft, was taken off the >market by >Mobil. Not because of "idiot plaintiffs, the litigous greedy lawyers >and >paranoid jerk juries". Because of proven and documented problems in >the lead >scavenging properties of the oil that resulted in their settling a >lawsuit, >rather than going to trial and losing bigtime. > >The problem is that avgas contains a very large amount of lead. AV1 >did not >have the ability to hold the lead in suspension consistently, leading >to >accumulations of lead in areas of the engine that didn't have strong >oil flow. >The lead gets into the oil via the "blowby gasses" that get by the >rings when >the engine is running. The accumulation of lead and lead sludge in >places like >the propellor hub and other areas caused excessive corrosion and wear. > When >this type of corrosion happens in flight critical areas of the engine, >for >example, the hub of a constant speed prop, it can and did lead to at >least one >inflight failure. The problem was especially apparent in privately >flown >aircraft that were operated less than 150 hours per year. Those that >flew all >the time, ie, flight schools, commercial operators, etc, did not >experience the >same level of problems. > >Mobil screwed up by denying the problem existed, stonewalling those >people who >had legitimate claims, and falsifying key documents related to the >problems with >the oil. They had their corporate lawyers try every conceivable >method to delay >and deny the claims. Their feet were "held to the fire" by some very >determined >and well financed aircraft owners. Even after they settled the class >action >lawsuit they brought upon themselves they tried every sleazy >underhanded trick >they could to NOT pay claims that were completely reasonable and >within the >scope of the settlement. Real dirtbags, by all accounts. > >In this particular case the "idiot plaintiffs, the litigous greedy >lawyers" were >absolutely correct in their use of the American legal system. > >I am no fan of lawyers. I agree with the general conclusion that the >"idiot >plaintiffs, the litigous greedy lawyers and paranoid jerk juries" that >have >produced decisions that we can all agree are outrageous and >unreasonable. >Unfortunately the AV1 oil debacle isn't one of those and shouldn't be >held out >as an example of that type of litigation. Lerach's shareholder suits >are a far >better examples of this type of litigation. > >I use Mobil 1 in my 4runner. I will be switching my PC800 to Mobil 1 >at the >next oil change. I don't and won't buy any other Mobil products for >the reasons >described above. If another oil company made a synthetic oil as good >as Mobil 1 >I would switch in a heartbeat. > >Blue Skies and fun rides, > >Roy T. > > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Disposition-Notification-To: ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 21:49:47 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: gwta@voyager.net (by way of Paul B. Atkins) Subject: Re: PC800: MSF - ERC Paul B. Atkins wrote: > > Ditto on everything tht Ann Wrote down....I took both the beginning course > LAST spring and the ERC this spring and loved both, but especially the ERC. > I loved taking it on my PC, learned a lot...all the things listed below and > had some fun. It was a hoot watching the full dress harleys and the > instructor's Wing go through the course. Great experience! Well, I am so glad you got a chuckle out of it bub! Sheesh. ;-) I don't get it... Paul TommyTeal -- 93SE (Teal, You Think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast 98V-Star (Red, you bet) GWTA #6871 GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:02:02 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: scotp1965@mdn.net (by way of Paul B. Atkins) Subject: PC800: modulator/pants I just visited the Kisan website and it doesn't appear obvious that the modulator for the PC800 is just a 'plug and play' unit. However, seems like everyone who bought a modulator from Kisan says 'plug and play'. A lot of talk about jackets lately, but not much talk about pants. Any suggestions? I'm considering the Joe Rocket Ballistic pants. Would be nice if I could get a pair that would work for snowmobiling too... Scot, I have the Darien pants by 'stich and like em a lot. Probably would do the trick for the sled, too. Paul Scot '89 PC800 '93 Polaris 440 Indy -------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) Thu, 10 Sep 1998 03:06:19 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 22:03:39 -0500 From: MICHAEL TOLAR To: Covert CC: pc Subject: [Fwd: PC800: Reasonable Price] --------------5AD3FFC264D5E7E0D1AC1D05 MICHAEL TOLAR wrote: > Richard, > > Congratulations on your new bike.I thought about buying a used PC but I got > lucky a found a new one.Also I wanted a bike with as little maintenance as > possible as I already spend too much time wrenching on a '66 corvette and a > '70 chevelle. In any case I hope your having as much fun as I am .Good luck > and good riding. > > Mike Tolar > 98PC > > Covert wrote: > > > Michael, > > > > A month or so you responded to my query about a reasonable price for a new > > PC. I messed around long enough that new ones became hard to find. So I > > ended you buying a 1990 PC with less than 5K on the odometer. I'm > > satisfied. > > > > Thanks again, > > > > Richard Covert --------------5AD3FFC264D5E7E0D1AC1D05 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 21:52:02 -0500 From: MICHAEL TOLAR To: Covert Subject: Re: PC800: Reasonable Price Richard, Congratulations on your new bike.I thought about buying a used PC but I got lucky a found a new one.Also I wanted a bike with as little maintenance as possible as I already spend too much time wrenching on a '66 corvette and a '70 chevelle. In any case I hope your having as much fun as I am .Good luck and good riding. Mike Tolar 98PC Covert wrote: > Michael, > > A month or so you responded to my query about a reasonable price for a new > PC. I messed around long enough that new ones became hard to find. So I > ended you buying a 1990 PC with less than 5K on the odometer. I'm > satisfied. > > Thanks again, > > Richard Covert --------------5AD3FFC264D5E7E0D1AC1D05-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 23:40:51 +2000 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 23:40:51 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: MSF - ERC Hi, Bob: I understand that The Honda Rider's Club will reimburse up to $75 annually (I think) of the cost of taking an ERC for its members. You might want to join up to take advantage of that benefit. J.T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 23:40:49 +2000 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 23:40:49 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: modulator/pants In a message dated 9/9/1998 20:56:40 PM Central Daylight Time, Scot writes: << I just visited the Kisan website and it doesn't appear obvious that the modulator for the PC800 is just a 'plug and play' unit. However, seems like everyone who bought a modulator from Kisan says 'plug and play'. >> Scot, they make both kinds. The Plug-in units start with a P (P75W, P115W, etc). The others are splice-in models. J.T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by PM06SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) 10 Sep 1998 05:52:20 +0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 22:48:24 -0500 From: Mike & Cindy Ver Velde Subject: Re: PC800: lightweight jacket To: PC800 -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Adrian Zai Subject: Re: PC800: lightweight jacket >Talking about summer jackets, I've been wearing a Marsee jacket that I have >been very satisfied with. The only complaint I have is the price ($395). >The jacket is exclusively made out of ballistics fabric, which is much >lighter than leather. The black jacket is also enhanced by reflective >Shoeller fabric in the shoulder and the back area. > Uh, I just remembered that Aerostitch has the Darienlight Jacket and pants- its from 160 denier cordura as compared to the 500 denier cordura of the regular Darien... Lighter= cooler? Heck that jacket only comes in one color- Black. Wonderful for hot summer days, gee. Anyone tried this combo yet? Mike -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by PM05SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) 10 Sep 1998 05:57:05 +0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 22:53:13 -0500 From: Mike & Cindy Ver Velde Subject: Re: PC800: modulator/pants To: "by way of Paul B. Atkins" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Scott writes: >A lot of talk about jackets lately, but not much talk about pants. Any >suggestions? I'm considering the Joe Rocket Ballistic pants. Would be >nice if I could get a pair that would work for snowmobiling too... > >Scot, >I have the Darien pants by 'stich and like em a lot. Probably would do the >trick for the sled, too. >Paul > Yeah, I have a gore tex shell and pants I've used for backpacking trips. Also used for snowmobiling in Lake Tahoe. They are just like the Darien pants without the velcro... with thermals, polarfleece pants, then the shell, it will keep you toasty warm. If they say that the Aerostitch is the outfit of choice for riding in alaska when its cold, whats the difference- sitting on a PC or a snowmobile? Mike -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: lightweight jacket Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:27:15 +0200 >>here. At least 20 brands I think, all selling different types of cordura >>and leather stuff. >Hey Emile, have you thought about becoming an entrepreneur, and channeling >all those different brands across the pond to us yankees with so little >choices? > >Mike Nah... at least, I want to try something on before buying. Especially for those prices. Don't you ? Emile -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:22:33 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: MSF - ERC by way of Paul B. Atkins wrote: > > Paul B. Atkins wrote: > > > > Ditto on everything tht Ann Wrote down....I took both the beginning course > > LAST spring and the ERC this spring and loved both, but especially the ERC. > > I loved taking it on my PC, learned a lot...all the things listed below and > > had some fun. It was a hoot watching the full dress harleys and the > > instructor's Wing go through the course. Great experience! > > Well, I am so glad you got a chuckle out of it bub! Sheesh. > > ;-) > > I don't get it... > Paul > > TommyTeal Paul, I was just noting that you were having fun (a hoot) watching us poor souls trying to get around the course on our behemoth's. I was just poking fun back. TommyTeal -- 93SE (Teal, You Think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast 98V-Star (Red, you bet) GWTA #6871 GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:30:44 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: m.vervelde@mci2000.com (by way of Paul B. Atkins) Subject: Re: PC800: lightweight jacket Mike, as I recall, 'stich does not recommend this for motorcycling, just regular old pedal type stuff, Paul -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Adrian Zai Subject: Re: PC800: lightweight jacket >Talking about summer jackets, I've been wearing a Marsee jacket that I have >been very satisfied with. The only complaint I have is the price ($395). >The jacket is exclusively made out of ballistics fabric, which is much >lighter than leather. The black jacket is also enhanced by reflective >Shoeller fabric in the shoulder and the back area. > Uh, I just remembered that Aerostitch has the Darienlight Jacket and pants- its from 160 denier cordura as compared to the 500 denier cordura of the regular Darien... Lighter= cooler? Heck that jacket only comes in one color- Black. Wonderful for hot summer days, gee. Anyone tried this combo yet? Mike -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:37:09 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Paul B. Atkins" Subject: PC800: Fwd: hoot > >Ok, Tommy...just checking. sometimes it hard to figure out what a person >means via email...and yes, it was a "hoot"....great course and all in fun. >In fact, the instructor with the 'wing was a county deputy. We all rode to >Burger King for lunch and a kid on a bike shows up, and asks him..."how >fast do these bikes go?" the officer responds "55 miles an hour!" Great >guy, great sense of humor and a big bike to go through those cones :) ! >Later, >Paul >>> >>> Paul B. Atkins wrote: >>> > >>> > Ditto on everything tht Ann Wrote down....I took both the beginning >>>course >>> > LAST spring and the ERC this spring and loved both, but especially >>>the ERC. >>> > I loved taking it on my PC, learned a lot...all the things listed >>>below and >>> > had some fun. It was a hoot watching the full dress harleys and the >>> > instructor's Wing go through the course. Great experience! >>> >>> Well, I am so glad you got a chuckle out of it bub! Sheesh. >>> >>> ;-) >>> >>> I don't get it... >>> Paul >>> >>> TommyTeal >> >>Paul, >> >>I was just noting that you were having fun (a hoot) watching us poor >>souls trying to get around the course on our behemoth's. I was just >>poking fun back. >> >>TommyTeal >>-- >>93SE (Teal, You Think?) >>95Hannigan >>95ACE (got to go) >>97Pacific Coast >>98V-Star (Red, you bet) >>GWTA #6871 >>GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta >>-- >>Visit the PC800 web page at >>To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >>message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >>To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: brian.hopkins@L3.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Squids???? Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:50:14 -0600 Ok, here is my question. We all know what we define as squids (basically, usually kids on sportbikes, wearing nothing but shorts and sandals and sometimes sunglasses, riding around in a straight line looking cool for their girlfriends.) And generally the reason we associate these people to be squids is the lack of protective clothing (and, of course, ability to ride worth anything) But I notice that many big bikes (Wings, ventures, etc) riders wear about the same thing. In fact, last night (the reason I bring this up) I passed a guy wearing shorts and sunglasses (and nothing else) on his big Venture. Are these people now defined also as squids? If not, why not? Do you not fall down if you ride a big touring bike? I know some of you also ride Wings (and others) and many of you are big time mileage eaters and so maybe have a mindset into this group. Ideas? Note, I'm not preaching. (ride however you desire) just wondering for some insight. Thanx, Brian D. Hopkins Denver Colorado '97 PC800 '96 VFR '95 Dodge Ram 2500HD -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: Cc: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: Squids???? Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:21:33 -0400 >>>>We all know what we define as squids I understand the definition, but my curiosity runneth over trying to figure out the connection between the word and the definition. My imagination seems to gravitate toward the idea that a squid-person, after having been involved in a crash with minimal protection, has many of the same structural characteristics as a squid-mollusk. (E.g. squishy, floppy, mushy, slimy, etc.) Yuk! Steve Zweigart -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: brian.hopkins@L3.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Motorcycle consumer news web site Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:31:59 -0600 Ok, where did it go? It used to be www.mcnews.com and that's what the search engines say also. It doesn't work. Anybody know where it went? (or does it work for them?) More importantly, do they still exist? And what is their 1-800 number? Thanx, Brian D. Hopkins Denver Colorado '97 PC800 '96 VFR '95 Dodge Ram 2500HD -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:23:38 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Motorcycle consumer news web site Hi, Brian: The following link works for me: Motorcycle Consumer News: Moto Links (http://www.mcnews.com/links.htm). J.T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:24:08 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Squids???? Hi, Steve: I think the reference is to their manner of moving rather than their appearance or physical attributes. That is, I believe the name came from their habit of "squirting" about in traffic with rapid burst of acceleration, slipping through tight gaps, etc. Basically, it is anybody who has an adolescent riding style and attitude. J.T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DNTART2G; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:50:52 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: bobduwah@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: FREE MSF - ERC From: annreid@juno.com (ann s reid) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:50:52 EDT Resent Thu. 9.10.98 -- Juno indicated a problem. --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: annreid To: BobDuWah@aol.com Cc: pc Subject: FREE MSF - ERC Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 19:56:10 Oops! I'd posted so many times in past I failed to repeat why MSF class is free. *SORRY* If you are an HRCA (Honda Rider's Club of America) member, which comes free when you buy a bike from a dealer or you can join on your own for about $40/year ... among other things, included in your membership are: 1) Up to $75/year remibursement for MSF course. 2) Free roadside assistance and towing to nearest Honda dealer. 3) Trip Tiks (not too well done). Ann '89 PC Ghosteroids ... Kinda like Memoroids and Blonde Moments and Senior Regressions. Wed. 9.9.98 19:50 MST --------- End forwarded message ---------- _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Squids???? Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:34:33 +0200 > Are these people now defined also as squids? If not, >why not? Do you not fall down if you ride a big touring bike? > I can only dream of having the same riding skills these squid-persons have. I have an incredible amount of respect for these people. Ah, what an experience it must be, able to ride without the burden of protective clothing. I don't think I'll ever be able to match their skills. They must have ridden so incredibly many miles. I only log about 15K miles a year and still don't have the confidence to ride without protection after 6 years. Just imagine how much experience these squid-persons must have to be able to ride that way without the need for protection. I'm not sure I should call them persons, they're more like saints. Maybe someday....... ___ [_ mile Nossin '90 PC800 "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Holland, Santpoort 'Never look back upon your live and say: " I should have done that....."' http://www.angelfire.com/nh/Nossin ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Squids???? Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:36:28 +0200 >But the question still remains. Are these riders on big touring machines >wearing nothing squids? >Or are they valued members of society? > >Brian D. Hopkins > I think the touring-squids are not trying to be cool, but are thinking: " well, I'm not one of those macho guys on a fast sport-bike. I have a descent bike, thus I don't ride like those macho's, therefore it is okay for ME to ride with just my shorts as I'm not like them". I was reminded of this attitude when I saw a guy on TV (in Holland) after his Wing was hit from behind by a car on the freeway. He was riding in the second lane from the left on a 4 lane freeway with his girlfriend (FO), just wearing his (compulsary) open helmet, pair of jeans and a T-shirt. He said he was just cruising along, at moderate speed when the car hit him, probably riding a lot faster. The guy probably thought he would never run into an accident because he had such a relaxed riding style, while this in fact contributed a lot to the accident. Not wearing gloves either, the fleshwounds were very nasty. Not a pretty site. I think they were lucky, could've been a lot worse. ___ [_ mile Nossin '90 PC800 "The Flying Dutchman" [__urope, Holland, Santpoort 'Never look back upon your live and say: " I should have done that....."' http://www.angelfire.com/nh/Nossin ICQ 17992318 Emile@Cybercomm.n l -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:28:02 -0700 From: Peter Noeth To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Pictures of Clock/Thermometer and "Parking Disk" are up Coasters, Neill has posted the pictures of the Brookstone Analog Clock/Thermometer and my "Parking Disk" on the PC800 Web Site (pictures numbered #74 and #75 respectively) that I had mentioned last week. The Clock and Thermometer aren't mentioned on Brookstone's website, but then a lot of what is in the store is not mentioned either. Peter Noeth, KE6ZJA, '96 w/7k and loving every minuite! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:31:26 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:31:01 -0400 From: "Dana L. Sawyer" Subject: PC800: Squids... To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Looking for a synonym for squids... How about...ORGAN DONORS? Dana -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by smtp.uscom.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 1998 17:06:48 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Carl Luft" To: Subject: Re: PC800: A sad day... Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 20:05:08 -0400 >“HIGH FLIGHT” >Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth >snipe< >Put out my hand and touched the face of God. >John Magee Dana; I have a plaque with this poem on it and at the bottom it says: "Pilot Officer Gillespie Magee Junior No. 412 Squadron RCAF Killed December11, 1941" As the author -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Cory" To: "Steven R. Zweigart" , Cc: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: Squids???? Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 20:33:59 -0400 >I understand the definition, but my curiosity runneth over trying to figure >out the connection between the word and the definition. My understanding is that it's source is: SQUirrely kIDS = SQUIDS Don't know if it's true or not............ Later, Cory -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:28:56 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: brian.hopkins@L3.com (by way of Paul B. Atkins) Subject: PC800: Squids???? Ok, here is my question. We all know what we define as squids (basically, usually kids on sportbikes, wearing nothing but shorts and sandals and sometimes sunglasses, riding around in a straight line looking cool for their girlfriends.) And generally the reason we associate these people to be squids is the lack of protective clothing (and, of course, ability to ride worth anything) But I notice that many big bikes (Wings, ventures, etc) riders wear about the same thing. In fact, last night (the reason I bring this up) I passed a guy wearing shorts and sunglasses (and nothing else) on his big Venture. Are these people now defined also as squids? If not, why not? Do you not fall down if you ride a big touring bike? I know some of you also ride Wings (and others) and many of you are big time mileage eaters and so maybe have a mindset into this group. Ideas? Note, I'm not preaching. (ride however you desire) just wondering for some insight. Thanx, Brian D. Hopkins Denver Colorado '97 PC800 '96 VFR '95 Dodge Ram 2500HD Brian, hey funny you should post this note. Just today, I rode my PC across the parking lot at work to a second parking lot at work. I rode with just my sunglasses and long pants/boots. It was only a few hundered feet with no cars and traffic and it was fun. I never ride (except this once) w/out helmet and jacket and boots, but I can see the attraction. I think the wing riders feel like they are riding mini cars and feel safe. But, yes, the do fall down! Paul -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:07:26 -0800 From: "Juan A. Goula" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: 'Stich on a snowmobile? Mike Ver Velde wrote: >...If they say that the Aerostitch is > the outfit of choice for riding in alaska when its cold, whats the > difference- sitting on a PC or a snowmobile? Interesting you should mention it. I have used my AeroStich Roadcrafter two-piece both on the PC AND the snowmobile. It works fine for either one, as long as it isn't too cold. The Roadcrafter has no insulation, and as a shell it limits how many layers you can put under it. Worked fine for me down to 10F. Haven't been willing to test it any further for fear that the armor foam will crack and start disintegrating. When the temps are warmer, the venting comes in really handy, since riding a sled is much more physically demanding than a bike. Yeserday I went for a nice fall ride, to watch the leaves in their golden best. It was sunny and cool (55F) and had memories of being a student in college, with little of the "right" equipment to ride my bike, a 1982 Maxim 550. So in the spirit of minimalism and to re-live the good old days, I took the VX instead of the PC (no electric vest, no hot grips and only a small plexifairing). I took it on a ride to Chatanika Lodge for a brisk set of twisties -or as close as you can get to that around here- and had a blast! I must say, being used to the PC the VX seemed rather crude. Quite bit of vibration at sppeds above 75 mph, and a LOT of wind noise. With the Vx being about 80 lbs lighter and having 10-15 more hp, I assumed that my transit time would be less. Not so. I even scared myself a couple of times. Trying to figure out why, I suddendly realized that I have over 24K miles on the PC, but only ~600 on the VX. I was not entirely comfortable with it. But it was fun nonetheless. On my return I took a different route and came across a couple of Harley riders. The second rider was motioning me to slow down, and I immediately saw why. A picture perfect family of moose, a medium size cow and two of the chubbiest calves I've ever seen. Seems like mom has been taking good care of them. Thae are moving towards the hills in search for better forage (and probably avoiding hunters as well). Mom crossed first, then called the kids over, one at a time. Too bad I didn't have a camera. By the time I got home the temperature was 40F, but I had a big grin on my face, remembering those fall rides many moons ago, when riding took priority over homework. At least this winter I won't have to stuff my bike into my dorm room for hibernation! :-) Juan -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Adrian Zai" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: How to install a Clearview windshield? Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:21:18 -0400 I just received my Clearview windshield this afternoon. Unfortunately, = it didn't come with any instructions on how to install it. I was = looking for a way to take out the front panel but just couldn't figure = it out. In fear of wrecking something, I decided that I should seek = help from the extensive wisdom of this wonderful list. So, maybe = someone can point out to me on how to install a windshield? Thanks in = advance. Adrian Zai '98 PC800 AMA# 676212 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Desmond Cockburn" To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: RE: Jackets, pants and squids. Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:05:13 PDT Hi gang, With all the talk about jackets and pants and squids and falling down I am reminded of a little quip from an article on riding clothing from, I seem to remember, Rider magazine. "You will fall down in whatever clothing you left home in." That truth has, on occasion, made me shut off the bike, troop back into the house and retrieve a more apporpriate set of riding attire than what I had planned on wearing that day. Des, 95 PC ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:31:20 EDT To: brian.hopkins@L3.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Squids???? Yes, they are squids. However, if they fall off of their mounts and survive, then they offically become known as scabs. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RVPC800@aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:31:35 EDT To: Emile@Cybercomm.nl, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Squids???? Another reason why one should not wear shorts when riding: Once apon a time several years ago, I was riding my trusty (hah!) Ducati 125 Bronco down a street when I suddenly felt pain like I never had before or since. A wasp had been caught up in my billowing cut-offs and cominced to stinging me in some VERY PRIVATE parts. I walked bow-legged for days. I never wore shorts out riding again. Russ Vernon '95 PC "Sambo" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:38:00 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: PC800: Grip removal Hello everyone. I just purchased a set of Mylar heated strips, used to heat snowmobile handlebars. Motorcycle Consumer News tested a pair from Kimpex, and were quite satisfied with the results when they installed them on an ST1100. Has anyone here installed anything similar on their bikes, and if so, do you have any words of wisdom? I am assuming that I will not be able to re-use the stock grips, which I really like. I bought a set of replacement aftermarket grips. In the past I used to use either soapy water or slippery glue to re-install the grips. Can anyone recommend a better method? Thanks for all your help. fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DNTYB3BU; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:07:49 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: ttk@erinet.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: HRCA vs. MSF Etc. From: annreid@juno.com (ann s reid) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:07:49 EDT Tosh, 1) Thanks for your feedback. You are correct about the towing being invaluable. We had a tire valve stem break in the Badlands of SD and HRCA had a tow truck to us within 90 minutes from Rapid City, 50 miles away. The towing bill was $180 which HRCA paid. HRCA also had Rice Honda ready and waiting for us. We only lost 3 hours out of our day. Good job. Thanks! 2) On the other hand.... Locally (in Phx) I waited more than 3 hours for HRCA to send someone to JUST jump start my battery at work LATE one night. Turned out (but they didn't bother to tell ME) that they could not locate a tow truck driver willing to jump a bike. I ended up calling AAA (which doesn't cove my bike) and telling them I had a little 4 door (true) Honda. That tow truck driver laughed and jumped me with my M/C jumper cables. Of course, by the time all this came about, I'd almost recharged myself (Don't go THERE!) from my trickle charger I carry in the trunk. *AH, LIFE* 3) HRCA automatically renewed my HRCA membership withOUT my knowledge this year. It hit my credit card at $39, which I consider closer to $40 than $35. (Round numbers are okay with me...except for mileage. *GRIN*) Was a mistake made? 4) There must've been too many HRCA folks at the Hond Hoot. *GRIN* 'Cause I didn't get any preferential treatment for demo rides. In fact, could not get a ride on a Honda. So? So, I rode everything else...Kawasaki and Yamaha blah blah blah. Ann '89 PC GHOST-POWER Thu. 9.10.98 17:55 MST _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:48:28 -0400 From: Roger Prince To: PC800 Mail List Subject: PC800: [Fwd: Returned mail: Remote protocol error] --------------D7382D75B41C79BFD8C869AD Who is considered the spammer by whom? Sorry to use this to get to FSL. Roger --------------D7382D75B41C79BFD8C869AD ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:10:02 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@dg-webo.webo.dg.com (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: Remote protocol error To: pc800t@banet.net ----- Transcript of session follows ----- While talking to mag1.magmacom.com: >>> MAIL From: <<< 571 ... Spamming domains are not allowed. 554 ... Remote protocol error ----- Unsent message follows ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:12:28 -0400 From: Roger Prince To: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Grip removal Why not reuse the stock grips? I have never cut a grip off. Get a little plastic squirt bottle and fill with soapy water. Then use a screwdriver to lift a bit of the grip and squirt. Just keep working it and pretty quickly you will be rotating the whole grip. I used to use hair spray for installing grips. Roger Francois Saint Laurent wrote: > Hello everyone. > > I just purchased a set of Mylar heated strips, used to heat snowmobile > handlebars. Motorcycle Consumer News tested a pair from Kimpex, and were > quite satisfied with the results when they installed them on an ST1100. > > Has anyone here installed anything similar on their bikes, and if so, do > you have any words of wisdom? > > I am assuming that I will not be able to re-use the stock grips, which I > really like. I bought a set of replacement aftermarket grips. In the past > --------------D7382D75B41C79BFD8C869AD-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Adrian Zai" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: How to install a Clearview windshield? Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 00:59:34 -0400 Thanks everyone for such rapid, clear and concise instructions. The = moment I got the info, I went down to the garage and start working on it, eventhough it's already midnite and I have to work tomorrow. I guess I = just couldn't wait. Everything went smoothly until I removed the letal bar. = Two bolts, one on each end of the bar fell inside the fairing. I spent at = least half an hour just trying to fish those out. Besides that, everything = was fine. The clearview shield is still clear at the bottom. When I = ordered it, the salesman told me that they will be making a film to cover that bottom in the near future. Once they have it, we can order it = separately. According to him, that's what happened with the people on ST1100. The = shield was available first, then people installed the film once they were available. Now, about the clearview windshield, I got the +3 inches vs stock. My = top of the shield is a little below eye level. I did wish it was a little = lower so that I had a better view over the shield. However, I just took a = little ride around the block, and I have to say, the shield is amazing. I = don't hear any wind noise anymore. I can hear the sound of the engine at 45 = mph, something I never experienced with the stock shield. Anyhow, I do = recommend it. Now, I'm just waiting for my new GIVI trunk to arrive.... With the GIVI = and clearview, my bike is ready to conquer the interstate highways.... Thanks again for all the help !!!! You guys are truly great! If anyone wants pictures of it, I would be glad to take some. Adrian Zai '98 PC800 AMA# 676212 -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Zai To: PC800 Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 9:24 PM Subject: PC800: How to install a Clearview windshield? I just received my Clearview windshield this afternoon. = Unfortunately, it didn't come with any instructions on how to install it. I was = looking for a way to take out the front panel but just couldn't figure it out. = In fear of wrecking something, I decided that I should seek help from the extensive wisdom of this wonderful list. So, maybe someone can point = out to me on how to install a windshield? Thanks in advance. Adrian Zai '98 PC800 AMA# 676212 inside the=20 fairing.  I spent at least
half an hour just trying to fish = those=20 out.  Besides that, everything was
fine.  The clearview = shield is=20 still clear at the bottom.  When I ordered
it, the salesman told = me that=20 they will be making a film to cover that
bottom in the near future. = Once they=20 have it, we can order it separately.
According to him, that's what = happened=20 with the people on ST1100. The shield
was available first, then = people=20 installed the film once they were
available.
Now, about the = clearview=20 windshield, I got the +3 inches vs stock.  My top
of the shield = is a=20 little below eye level.  I did wish it was a little lower
so = that I had=20 a better view over the shield.  However, I just took a = little
ride=20 around the block, and I have to say, the shield is amazing.  I=20 don't
hear any wind noise anymore.  I can hear the sound of the = engine=20 at 45 mph,
something I never experienced with the stock shield.  = Anyhow,=20 I do recommend
it.
Now, I'm just waiting for my new GIVI trunk to=20 arrive....  With the GIVI and
clearview, my bike is ready to = conquer the=20 interstate highways....
Thanks again for all the help !!!!  You = guys are=20 truly great!  If anyone
wants pictures of it, I would be glad to = take=20 some.

Adrian Zai
'98 PC800
AMA# 676212
-----Original=20 Message-----
    From: Adrian Zai <waffle@earthlink.net>
&nbs= p;  =20 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC800 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
  =  =20 Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 9:24 PM
    = Subject: PC800:=20 How to install a Clearview windshield?


    I = just=20 received my Clearview windshield this afternoon.  = Unfortunately,
it=20 didn't come with any instructions on how to install it.  I was=20 looking
for a way to take out the front panel but just couldn't = figure it=20 out.  In
fear of wrecking something, I decided that I should = seek help=20 from the
extensive wisdom of this wonderful list.  So, maybe = someone can=20 point out to
me on how to install a windshield?  Thanks in=20 advance.

    Adrian Zai
    '98=20 PC800
    AMA# 676212  -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jim_bene@pacbell.net Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:25:40 +0300 To: Adrian Zai CC: PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: How to install a Clearview windshield? --------------4D6FFC499A28C9F45DFBBBEE Adrian, I just installed a Clearview sheild on my PC800. Here are some steps to take: * Remove your mirrors (push the mirror so that the inner edge of each mirror is the most forward it can go and you will see the two hex head bolts which hold the mirror on). The lightbulb socket does unplug so you can so you can take the mirrors off completely (a friend removed mine, but twisted the bulb out of the socket ... not necessary). * In the center/bottom of the windscreen, you will see the small vent with the horizontal lines. There are two small phillips head screws which hold this in. Remove them a carefully pull the vent straight out. * Next remove the vanity strip, you saw the hex head shoulder bolts when you took the mirrors off. You will find that in the center/bottom of this strip it sort of clips / slides into some slots, so they need to come straight out. * Now your windscreen bolts are exposed. If you were just removing the stock windscreen to clean it, you would be concerned about the bolts as the vary in length, but since you will be using the bolts from Clearview, it won't matter. You will need the shoulder washers for the new bolts. * Once all of the bolts are out, it might seem that the windscreen is still stuck on ... that is only because it is stuck against the rubber mounting underneath. You should take care not to damage this rubber as you want to keep it on the bike. * Now your stock screen should be off the bike. * Installing the Clearview ... basically reverse the procedure, using the new bolts. Just a few cautions. Your Clearview does not have the blackend area at the bottom, so some of the dash panel will be exposed. I am going to take mine back off and spray it will flat black paint later. You may want to consider it before installing or during the install process when you see where the windscreen will sit on your bike. * Put in the center bolt first. * Put in the two outbound bolts in the 'U' channels. * Adjust the windscreen as there is enough play allowed in the design (very good quality fit!). You need to leave room for the vanity strip to fit back under the edge of the Clearview sheild because it sticks out more than the stock screen. It is no problem, but this will save you time from having to re-adjust it. * Just snug the outbound bolts down, then put in the remaining two bolts (the ones between the center bolt and the outbound bolts). * Tighten all the bolts down and follow the procedure above in reverse. Good Luck. If you run into trouble, you can send my private E-mail or ask others on the list. Adrian Zai wrote: > I just received my Clearview windshield this afternoon. > Unfortunately, it didn't come with any instructions on how to install > it. I was looking for a way to take out the front panel but just > couldn't figure it out. In fear of wrecking something, I decided that > I should seek help from the extensive wisdom of this wonderful list. > So, maybe someone can point out to me on how to install a windshield? > Thanks in advance. Adrian Zai > '98 PC800 > AMA# 676212 -- Jim Alexander (I'm Baaaccckkkk) HSTA# 2307SU 89 PC800 (for now) --------------4D6FFC499A28C9F45DFBBBEE Adrian,

I just installed a Clearview sheild on my PC800.   Here are some steps to take:
 

  • Remove your mirrors (push the mirror so that the inner edge of each mirror is the most forward it can go and you will see the two hex head bolts which hold the mirror on).  The lightbulb socket does unplug so you can so you can take the mirrors off completely (a friend removed mine, but twisted the bulb out of the socket ... not necessary).
  • In the center/bottom of the windscreen, you will see the small vent with the horizontal lines.  There are two small phillips head screws which hold this in.  Remove them a carefully pull the vent straight out.
  • Next remove the vanity strip, you saw the hex head shoulder bolts when you took the mirrors off.   You will find that in the center/bottom of this strip it sort of clips / slides into some slots, so they need to come straight out.
  • Now your windscreen bolts are exposed.   If you were just removing the stock windscreen to clean it, you would be concerned about the bolts as the vary in length, but since you will be using the bolts from Clearview, it won't matter.  You will need the shoulder washers for the new bolts.
  • Once all of the bolts are out, it might seem that the windscreen is still stuck on ... that is only because it is stuck against the rubber mounting underneath.  You should take care not to damage this rubber as you want to keep it on the bike.
  • Now your stock screen should be off the bike.
 
  • Installing the Clearview ... basically reverse the procedure, using the new bolts.   Just a few cautions.  Your Clearview does not have the blackend area at the bottom, so some of the dash panel will be exposed.   I am going to take mine back off and spray it will flat black paint later.  You may want to consider it before installing or during the install process when you see where the windscreen will sit on your bike.
  • Put in the center bolt first.
  • Put in the two outbound bolts in the 'U' channels.
  • Adjust the windscreen as there is enough play allowed in the design (very good quality fit!).   You need to leave room for the vanity strip to fit back under the edge of the Clearview sheild because it sticks out more than the stock screen.  It is no problem, but this will save you time from having to re-adjust it.
  • Just snug the outbound bolts down, then put in the remaining two bolts (the ones between the center bolt and the outbound bolts).
  • Tighten all the bolts down and follow the procedure above in reverse.

Good Luck.   If you run into trouble, you can send my private E-mail or ask others on the list.
 

Adrian Zai wrote:

 I just received my Clearview windshield this afternoon.  Unfortunately, it didn't come with any instructions on how to install it.  I was looking for a way to take out the front panel but just couldn't figure it out.  In fear of wrecking something, I decided that I should seek help from the extensive wisdom of this wonderful list.  So, maybe someone can point out to me on how to install a windshield?  Thanks in advance. Adrian Zai
'98 PC800
AMA# 676212
 

--
Jim Alexander  (I'm Baaaccckkkk)
HSTA# 2307SU  89 PC800 (for now)
  --------------4D6FFC499A28C9F45DFBBBEE-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Grip removal From: Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org (Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:30:41 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu On Fri, Sep 11, 1998, 2:38:00 AM GMT Francois Saint Laurent wrote: >Can anyone recommend a better method? Hair spray works too. You get a few seconds to slide it on when its wet and it helps it stick when it dries. I've also used brake-cleaner (the spray-on stuff) and it has the same effect but doesn't leave you bike smelling like a beauty-parlor. Greg Torok 97 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: CyVaquero@aol.com for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:35:10 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Squids???? This Sailor is offended. Guy C. Heckman, USN '96 PC800 '83 Trans Am (Broke) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steven R. Zweigart" To: Cc: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: Squids???? Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:08:22 -0400 >>>Another reason why one should not wear shorts when riding: Once apon a time several years ago, I was riding my trusty (hah!) Ducati 125 Bronco down a street when I suddenly felt pain like I never had before or since. A wasp had been caught up in my billowing cut-offs and cominced to stinging me in some VERY PRIVATE parts. I walked bow-legged for days. I never wore shorts out riding again. Can't you get arrested for that? :) Steve Zweigart -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Rich Bumar" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Grip removal Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:28:02 PDT Francois Saint Laurent asked about grip removal. Here's my experience: You should be able to re-use the grips. An easy way to get them off is to use WD-40 and a long, skinny screwdriver. Stick the litle red WD-40 tube under the edge of the grip and spray. This should loosen it up enough to get the screwdriver inside. Push it slowly all the way under the grip, put the WD-40 tube inside next to the screwdriver, and spray. You should be able to work the screwdriver around the inside circumference of the grip now (spray more WD-40 if you need to) and then slide off the grip. Make sure you clean the grips and the throttle with soap and water after you do this. After you do what you need to do with the handlebar and throttle, grip installation is easy. You referred to "slippery glue" in you original message. I'm not sure if that's the same thing I've used, so here's what I did. Go to your local MC dealer and buy some "grip glue" (or something like that). It comes in small, single-use tube (about the size of a tube of rearview mirror adhesive) and shouldn't cost more than about a buck. There are directions on the tube that instructs you how to use the glue. If you would like a larger diameter grip, you may want to consider what I did last year. I purchased a set of foam handgrips and put them right over the stock grips. The trick is to get the foam grips over the flange at the bar ends. I used duck tape to hold down the flange while I used soap to slide the foam grips over the stock grips. This worked well, but when I took off the tape, some of the paint came off the bar end weights. It probably would have worked just as well using masking tape and the lower adhesiveness of the masking tape probably wouldn't have taken off the paint. (Come to think of it, the foam grips may be able to go on without the bar ends on at