by ha1.rdc1.pa.home.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP Fri, 31 Jul 1998 22:31:43 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Alan Bowen" To: "Honda PC800 Group" Subject: Re: PC800: Tank Bag Choice? Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 01:34:16 -0400 I've been looking for a tank bag or rear seat bag that can be used as a backpack when I get to my destination. Does anybody make these? Alan '97 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with ESMTP (IPAD 2.10/64) id 4539100 ; Sat, 01 Aug 1998 00:51:15 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 00:52:42 -0700 From: Eric Matthews To: Brian Hopkins CC: "PC 800 List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: PC800: Whew, I'm back Hmmm, sounds interesting. What kind? ;-) Eric Brian Hopkins wrote: > One big black beer noticed crossing road!!! -- _______________________________ MaxLumen Graphics and Web Design Eric Matthews mailto:eric@maxlumen.com http://maxlumen.com _______________________________ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 06:44:16 -0400 From: Joe Beresford To: "Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council" CC: PC800 List Subject: Re: PC800: I'm Back from Alaska! Yea but you were already that much closer than when I did it in 95 it took me 4 weeks, cause I had to spend 1 week out an 1 week back crossin the USA.... Did you go north out of Fairbanks on the "Haul road" and get to the artic circle point just north of the Yukon River??? Fireman Joe Beresford Cincinnati, Ohio Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council wrote: > Hello everyone! > > I finally got around to resubscribing to the list after returning from my 2- > week PC800 trip to Alaska. What a great ride! I was amazed how far I could > comfortably go in a day (travelling solo, actually me and the dog). My longest > day was close to 600 miles and I still had time to go swimming, stop to eat, > and do some sightseeing. > > I took the digital camera, so I have some snapshots if anyone's interested. I > also sent some to our illustrius Webmaster Neill for posting to the PC800 web > site. I know many of you wanted to see just how my 40-pound mutt travels with > me on the PC. > > Feel free to send me an e-mail directly and I'll forward some pictures of the > Pacific Coast'n dog. > > I must admit though, sometimes it makes me feel like a rolling tourist > attraction. I mean, here we are up in the middle of nowhere Yukon Territories, > surrounded by natural beauty that people have travelled thousands of miles to > see, and people are piling off the tour bus yelling "look at the dog!!!" > > Ah well. Life's funny. > > Greg Torok > '97 PC800 > Bellingham, WA > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 06:48:44 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "97PC800" <97PC800@bizgroup.net> To: "pc 800 list" Subject: PC800: '97 & newer points to ponder. Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 06:45:59 -0400 Hello Coasters(does this mean that "the drinks are on us"?-yuk,yuk!), Things I have "un-deleted" from my PC that Honda chose to remove: Left muffler cover-covers up the butt-ugly PC muffler can... If you decide to get one, make sure the dealer orders the "stay"(metal mounting bracket, separate part number). Magnetic crankcase drain plug. I discovered my friend Daves' '96 had one when doing and oil change for him prior to the HomeComing. Also, while at the HomeComing last week, Dave decided that he likes the "97 & newer front-end treatment better. One of the Coasters we met has a '97 and likes the original style better. They attempted a swap, right there by the Corbin booth, but to no avail. Too many differences, most noticeably the unpolished forks on the '96. Regards, Steve Scudder 97PC800@bizgroup.net Grand Rapids, MI -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Robert Coulter" To: "The Broeking's" Cc: "Honda PC800 Group" Subject: Re: PC800: Tank Bag Choice? Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 08:54:27 -0400 -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: The Broeking's To: Robert Coulter Date: Saturday, August 01, 1998 8:30 AM Subject: Re: PC800: Tank Bag Choice? >which model do you have at their website? Bob > My RKA tankbag is their SS3 model. Karen '97 PC "Li'l Red" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. env-from (bdhopkins@pcisys.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Brian Hopkins To: Honda PC800 Group Subject: RE: PC800: Tank Bag Choice? Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 09:01:31 -0700 Yes, Helimot European Accessories sells Held tank bags (and tail bags) and = the tank bag has straps so you can use it like a backpack. I've never = used the tank bags but everything else I've bought from them has been of = exceptional quality. Hope this helps, Brian D. Hopkins Bhopkins@systest.com Denver, Colorado '96 VFR =20 '97 PC800=20 > There are two kinds of pedestrians... the quick and the dead. I've been looking for a tank bag or rear seat bag that can be used as a backpack when I get to my destination. Does anybody make these? Alan '97 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. env-from (bdhopkins@pcisys.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Brian Hopkins To: "'Eric Matthews'" Cc: "PC 800 List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: PC800: Whew, I'm back Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 09:05:41 -0700 Um, a big black bear? I didn't know there were other kinds of black bears. :) Honestly I tried to whip out the camera but I wasn't really about to get = too close and by the time I got the camera out he had disappeared up the = hill. (and I wasn't about to go chasing him around :) ) Imagine the scene, its 5:30 in the morning, you are basically the only = car on the road and you're driving sanely because of the bambi threat. = You're driving up this beautiful moutain pass and there are no towns or = nothing for 50 miles. You see a 'deer' in the road ahead so you start = to slow down, no, deer's aren't black. What the heck is that, oh I know = it's a dog. It can't be a dog. A. they aren't that big and B. we're 50 = miles from anywhere. Oh crap, that's a bear. Cool and hard on the = brakes. Pretty neat. Made my day. Brian D. Hopkins Denver, Colorado '96 VFR =20 '97 PC800=20 -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Eric Matthews [SMTP:eric@maxlumen.com] Sent: Saturday, August 01, 1998 12:53 AM To: Brian Hopkins Cc: PC 800 List (E-mail) Subject: Re: PC800: Whew, I'm back Hmmm, sounds interesting. What kind? ;-) Eric Brian Hopkins wrote: > One big black beer noticed crossing road!!! -- _______________________________ MaxLumen Graphics and Web Design Eric Matthews mailto:eric@maxlumen.com http://maxlumen.com _______________________________ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 11:48:37 -0400 From: Rich Thorne To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Givi Rack Hi, Is the Givi rack for the PC suitable for using as a general purpose luggage rack or does it only make sense when used with a Givi box? The pictures on the Web are not specfic enough about the appearance and utility of the rack without the box. Actually, as yet I don't know which of the pictures goes with the rack for the PC. Who is a good supplier of the rack? thanks, rich 97 PC800 {What is Love? Could it be simply the letting go of all we are afraid of, especially the fear of our death? Is that a part of why we ride?} -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:01:27 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: jpatton@ConnectI.com Subject: PC800: stock seat I think I have finally decided to go with the Utopia backrest, especially in light of all of the negative corbin talk, thanks for your stories everyone. I would have hated to drop a bunch of coin just to be pissed off. The only problem I may have with the Utopia, is that the seams on my stock seat are starting to split (what the hell, its almost 10 years old). I am looking to buy anyones' stock seat (with good seams) if there is one out there! lemme know Jpatton 89PC800 15k 94ShadowVT1100c 10k -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "The Broeking's" To: Subject: PC800: What is a Poker Run on Motorcycles? Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 15:09:58 -0400 Simple newbie question.... just wondering if it would be fun to go on one. Bob -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sat, 1 Aug 1998 15:30:21 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "97PC800" <97PC800@bizgroup.net> To: , Subject: Re: PC800: stock seat Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 15:27:02 -0400 I just had the Utopia installed last week at the Honda HomeComing. I would recommend it to anyone who has a seat it will fit upon (will not fit the Corbin w/it's adjustable thingis). I find it to be a much needed improvement in support for my spine. My riding buddy Dave just sent back his Corbin seat purchased at the HomeComing for "repairs". Not only is the material covering the passenger seat coming unglued, but the back of the riders seat as well as the underside of the passenger seat now have several deep wounds rubbed into them from the extremely poor fitment. If they repair/replace it properly, he will keep the seat. This may make his stock seat available, although it is Black, not Grey as I'm sure yours would be on an '89. If Corbin cannot resolve the issue in a timely manner, he will likely send his stock seats to Russell for a re-do. Give a report on the Utopia if/when you get one. I just love mine! Regards, Steve Scudder 97PC800@bizgroup.net Grand Rapids, MI >I think I have finally decided to go with the Utopia backrest, especially in >light of all of the negative corbin talk, thanks for your stories everyone. >I would have hated to drop a bunch of coin just to be pissed off. > The only problem I may have with the Utopia, is that the seams on my >stock seat are starting to split (what the hell, its almost 10 years old). >I am looking to buy anyones' stock seat (with good seams) if there is one >out there! > >lemme know > >Jpatton >89PC800 15k >94ShadowVT1100c 10k -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 15:26:42 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: patkins@mari.net (Paul B. Atkins) Subject: PC800: backrest report Hello Fellow PC'ers. This morning, my s.o. and I went for a ride, and it was her first time on the bike with the Hondaline backrest installed. Rave reviews. She said she feels more solid, secure and relaxed. Money well spent in my book. As for my back. I haven't really had a problem, and if fact wonder if a rest would restrict my movement on the seat. Somtimes, I hitch up backwards to stretch the legs since we don't have highway bars. I know some have installed the bars, but I am not very handy... My problem has more to do with my weight on my hinder..it's better if I sit up straight, but often wind up stooping again, till my hinder starts to hurt..the cycle continues (pun intended!) Later, Paul Paul Atkins patkins@mari.net 1996 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. via SMTP by server8.wans.net, id smtpdAAAa004Ff; Sat Aug 1 16:29:39 1998 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Craig Carter" To: "The Broeking's" , Subject: RE: PC800: What is a Poker Run on Motorcycles? Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 16:27:28 -0500 Importance: Normal Do it! They are a lot of fun. It's basically a route laid out ahead of time. All bikers follow the predetermined route and pick up poker cards at stops along the way. The best hands at the end of the run win! They are usually organized to benefit some charity--pay a small amount to enter. They are a great way to get out, meet fellow bikers, enjoy some scenery, and get the feel of what it's like to ride in a group. Highly recommended--thoroughly enjoyed each one I've been on. Craig 95' PC800 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of > The Broeking's > Sent: Saturday, August 01, 1998 2:10 PM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: What is a Poker Run on Motorcycles? > > > Simple newbie question.... just wondering if it would be fun to > go on one. > Bob > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 18:05:40 -0400 From: Joe Beresford To: "The Broeking's" CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: What is a Poker Run on Motorcycles? Heck ya... Poker runs are great fun, in fact there is several different ways they can be held.... some use preprinted instructions, some you just follow a leader, some do it by clue you have to figure out which way to go, or some follow paint or lime marks thrown on the roadway........ Just be careful the local harly gang does a big poker run every year they get over 10,000 particapnts and lots of drinking goes on..... need I say watch out for the other guy... The Broeking's wrote: > Simple newbie question.... just wondering if it would be fun to go on one. > Bob > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 15:07:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Amr Oloufa Subject: PC800: Utopia Bakrest question To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I have heard lots of positive stories on the Utopia driver backrest from the group. I have one question though: Do you need to "cut into" the stock PC seat to install the backrest? The Utopia website says you do, but they demonstrated it on an ST1100 not a PC. Thanks, Amr _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: My new Rifle From: David Kelly Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 15:31:22 -0500 Ordered from Competition Acc., $169.95, took several weeks to arrive. But finally arrived last night. Purchased it in spite of other's reporting QC was lacking. Mine was no different. The bottom section would not straddle the right side (driver's view) mounting hole. I elongated the center hole and got the base clamped down. Small holes in the base for mounting the windshield are not in the proper axis. Again the error is on the right side of the base. Rightmost hole appears to be 1/4" too high. All the holes line up, the problem is the foam padding on the back of the windshield sticks out on one side and not the other. Looking at it from the front there is a moulding line recessing the windshield mount, and it miss-aligns with the bottom of the windshield same as the foam on the inside. Then the grill cutout wasn't big enough for my grill. Had to square the bottom corners of the Rifle base grill opening to make it fit. Once I got the PC's trim back on, noticed that I should have trimmed the right mounting hole rather than the center as it appears I have it shifted about 1/8" to the right. Ordered the 24" shield, 6" over stock. Had taped a ruler to my stock shield and rode around before selecting the tallest option. 24" plus 5" for the base sure is tall. Rather than being a looker-over I'm now a looker-thru. Still haven't decided if I like that or not. Took a short 10 mile ride last night to see how it works. And to see if the right side errors affect performance. Couldn't tell if the shield was tilted left or right. Had ridden 30 miles with the stock shield just prior to installing the Rifle. Took 90 minutes to install the Rifle, including finding my Dremel Tool, using it, and cleaning up. Backdraft is much less with the Rifle than with the stock shield. I think I could keep pens in my pocket and not lose them. Lost pens on 3 occasions in the first several hundred miles before I learned. 55 MPH with face shield open is no problem at all with the new Rifle. Depends on which way the wind is blowing as to when top helmet turbulence starts. But 65 or 70 MPH is quiet if I slouch a little bit. Earplugs are not needed if this top turbulence can be avoided. If I sit up very straight and stretch, I can just look over the top. Other than the fact it appears I'm riding a Rifle brand motorcycle now, the appearance from the front is OK. The view from the seat isn't as pleasant, but not terribly bad. Debating whether its worth the effort to complain, get a new base, and install it. Or to redrill a couple of holes, or to leave it the way it is. My schedule for the next several weeks says it will have to wait, whatever. Any recommendations for a tourist in the D.C. area? On foot with Metro card? I'm going to review, "The Day The Earth Stood Still", and see if I can find the field where the space ship landed. And maybe the professor's house. I missed the Smithsonian Star Wars exhibit last time I was there. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "Alan Bowen" cc: "Honda PC800 Group" From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Tank Bag Choice? of "Sat, 01 Aug 1998 01:34:16 EDT." <006101bdbd0e$07112d80$f1390118@CC1018526-A.burl1.nj.home.com> Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 15:07:56 -0500 "Alan Bowen" writes: > I've been looking for a tank bag or rear seat bag that can be used as a > backpack when I get to my destination. Does anybody make these? The local Office Depot was having a Going Back To School Sale on backpacks last week. Some pretty nice units for $20 to $30. Bought one myself for the PC. Should have bought two as I had a hard time deciding between two models. At those prices, two backpacks are about the same as a tank bag or other custom motorcycle luggage. '98 PC800W, "Macintosh" -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sat, 1 Aug 1998 20:36:34 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "97PC800" <97PC800@bizgroup.net> To: "Amr Oloufa" , Subject: Re: PC800: Utopia Bakrest question Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 20:30:53 -0400 Amr, Yes, there is a 2" cut through the front portion of the passenger seat, down through the pan in order to attach the backrest's vertical bracket to the horizontal bracket under the seat. Looks very tidy when finished, IMHO. Regards, Steve Scudder 97PC800@bizgroup.net Grand Rapids, MI >I have heard lots of positive stories on the Utopia driver backrest >from the group. I have one question though: > >Do you need to "cut into" the stock PC seat to install the backrest? >The Utopia website says you do, but they demonstrated it on an ST1100 >not a PC. > >Thanks, > >Amr -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 23:51:26 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: PC list Subject: PC800: Carpet Mats Greetings, I am in the process of selling my ACE and purchasing a PC. I have read some of your files and find them very interesting related to the windshields (looks like I may be in the market for a Rifle). My first question is; Are the carpet mats any good? Or should I do as we do with the trunk on wings, line them with material to keep them from scratching up helmets and such? Thanks much, TommyTeal -- 93SE(Teal, you think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE 98V-Star(Red? you bet) GWTA of Michigan web site http://my.voyager.net/gwta/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ha1.rdc1.pa.home.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP Sat, 1 Aug 1998 23:39:17 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Alan Bowen" To: "PC list" Subject: PC800: Stereo/speaker/GPS installation (long) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 02:41:58 -0400 ...or, how I spent my Friday night & Saturday afternoon. I never planned to install speakers in my PC, but that's what those cutouts are for, right? At first, I wanted to try piping some sort of music into my helmet. I purchased: 1 ten foot cigarette lighter adapter extension cord ($4.99) 1 package of male spade connectors (~$3.00) 1 six foot walkman style audio extension cord ($6.95) 1 cheapo discman clone ($39) 1 package of velcro ($2.50) 1 roll of electrical tape (stolen from work) I installed the cigarette lighter extension cord into the PC's aux power port using the male spade connectors. This provided power to my CD player when the ignition is on. Velcro the CD player in the trunk and route the cable to your helmet speakers and that's it! But, that wasn't enough for me. Then, I bought: 2 four inch Pioneer GS1040 speakers ($49 total) 1 Jensen two channel 88 watt amp ($59) 1 stereo Y splitter walkman to RCA plug (1/8" to 1/4") ($7.00) 1 four year extended warranty on speakers ($19.95) 1 amplifier install kit ($24.99) 1 cigarette power adapter splitter, two ports ($5.99) 2 five and one quarter inch speaker grille covers ($9.98 total) Now, wire up the amp to the aux power port and run a jumper for the radio hookup (to make the amp think that your radio is on). Mount the speakers in the speaker cutouts and route the cabling back to wiring harness for the amp in the trunk. I wired each speaker to its own amp channel. Plug the stereo Y splitter from the line out jack to the amp. Velcro the amp in place. Now, bend and shape and re-shape the grill covers to your liking. They'll be held in place by the pressure of the dash face. While I was at it, I ran a power lead for the GPS from the upper leftmost speaker cutout back to the trunk. This was spliced into another ten foot cigarette adapter extension cord and run back into the trunk. Apply velcro to top of dash and bottom of GPS. The 10" or so of slack can be pushed back behind the speaker mounting and only pulled out when used. This is difficult to explain. I find that using small components to be the greatest benefit. Most of my trunk space is still available, unlike in some other radio installations that I have seen pictures of. The greatest disadvantage will soon be overcome. This configuration mounts all the controls in the trunk, where you can't get to them while riding. In the next few weeks, Sony will release a new Discman (F-415) that will be an AM/FM/CD unit with a WIRED remote. This unit should sell for $159 and allow for handlebar operation of all the stereo controls. I've been impressed with the performance of this setup. One of my cars is a convertible with headset speakers positioned directly behind the occupants' heads. This stereo configuration provides more sound at speed than that of the car. The sound is travelling at you, instead of against the airflow. And you can always plug in your helmet headset, if you wish. My cheapo discman unit skips, but that will be replaced with the newer unit mentioned above that should have at least 10 seconds of buffer, if not 40. Total time: One Friday night & one Saturday afternoon. Total cost: $232.35. Most difficult part of job: Finding the Band-Aids. Please email specific questions directly to me to conserve bandwidth. I would be interested to hear comments from other Coaster's with stereos/speakers. I'd like to add that I couldn't even attempted this without the info gathered from this list. You guys (and gals) are great! Alan '97 PC "becoming custom" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. via smtpd (for mailrelay.data-io.com [139.138.100.89]) with SMTP; 2 Aug 1998 07:22:56 UT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Cotes, Steven" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Ouch, Falling Down isn't fun - ( long ) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 23:23:21 -0800 Well, I new that the odds were that it would happen sooner or later. After three days in a row with temperatures hitting the 90s, last Thursday we had a slight return to almost normal weather. For around here that means that although it was warm, it was partially overcast and drizzling (light rain). Riding the highways into work, the roads didn't appear to be as bad as I was expecting considering the rain after a number of dry days. Taking a long, curving, steep off ramp I remember thinking that I needed to slow down a bit. At the bottom of the ramp traffic forms two lanes and is normally stopped by a light at the intersection with a main road. On the ramp, the left lane is required to turn left, the right lane may turn either left or right. I was in the left lane, needing to make a left turn. Because of the crowning of both the ramp and the main road, making a left turn entails transitioning across a counter-banked curve while turning. Although not drastic, you need to pay attention. Approaching the light, which surprisingly was green, my concentration was on the lines of cars on the main road and the pickup in my mirror that appeared to be gaining on me. Just as I entered the intersection, I started to lean to make the corner. That was when I glanced at the street and thought "gee, that sure looks shiny for just a little water..." My next thought was "SHIT, that's oil and I'm leaning..." The next instant my front wheel slid out from under me. Fortunately we weren't going very fast, so we didn't slide very far, and everyone else either was stopped already or able to stop so nobody hit us. After stopping, and making sure that no one was going to hit me, I walked over, turned her off, picked her up and wheeled her over to the side of the road then I went back and gathered up all the pieces. While loading broken plastic in the trunk (that trunk is great), 3 or 4 people came up and asked if I was "OK". I said I was fine, thanked them and rode off to work. I was wearing all my gear so I only got one very minor scrape through my jacket. My bike needs some care. The left mirror is history. The glass and the signal lens is fine, but the casing looks like 600 pounds fell on it. The mirror's tether and wiring were severed, and the fairing got a chip knocked out of it. The plastic guard cover got shredded of course. What I learned: Slowing down can be good, if I had been going slower I might have seen the oil sooner and maybe could have avoided it. Also a reminder that hazards in the road can be something besides a cager who doesn't see you. Protective gear should be worn, this was a minor lay down and I feel fine. I hit on my elbow, shoulder and hip, all areas where my clothes have soft armor. I also tore a hole in the palm of my glove. If I hadn't been dressed for riding, I be hurting now. The PC is great, although things broke most the energy went into the crash bar as it was meant to. I don't want to do that again, although odds are that someday.... Thanks for letting me ramble and share, Ride safe, -steve cotes '96 PC800 - 4900+ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sun, 2 Aug 1998 07:32:45 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "97PC800" <97PC800@bizgroup.net> To: "Cotes, Steven" , Subject: Re: PC800: Ouch, Falling Down isn't fun - ( long ) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 07:24:47 -0400 Steve, Thanks for sharing your experience, a very well written account from which many should benefit. It really isn't a matter of "if" the bike goes down, but more appropriately "when". We should all be prepared as you were for such an event with the proper gear to save our hides-the bike can be fixed or replaced. Glad you are OK! Regards, Steve Scudder 97PC800@bizgroup.net Grand Rapids, MI >Well, >I new that the odds were that it would happen sooner or later. >I don't want to do that again, although odds are that someday.... > >Thanks for letting me ramble and share, >Ride safe, > -steve cotes > '96 PC800 - 4900+ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by smtp.uscom.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1998 06:30:28 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 09:29:05 -0400 From: "Carl E. Luft" To: "PC800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: Question about engine oil Vartan Kazarov wrote: > > Hello, all > Can I go with a regular Mobil 1 10W-40 oil or should I use > special motorcycle oil (whether syntetic or not)? Or how abou just > regular oil. Can I use it? What's everybody experience? > Thanks in advance for the info > Vartan I would wait till about 3000 to 4000 miles before switching to a synthetic oil. My PC's gas mileage was still improving in the 1000 to 2000 mile range. synthetics have a much higher film strength then regular oils thus the regular oils are better for breakin service. Carl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:05:47 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Ouch, Falling Down isn't fun - ( long ) Sorry you fell down, Steve, and glad that you weren't hurt. Your account of the whole thing is refreshing: no whining, no excuses, no attempts to place responsiblity elsewhere, just the facts and a rational analysis. I hope your experience helps others to avoid similar difficulties and affects their decisions regarding the riding gear they choose. May your bike be fixed and your abrasions heal quickly. J.T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DKNDN8F6; Sun, 02 Aug 1998 10:18:34 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:16:30 -0400 Subject: PC800: PC sighting From: miketwh@juno.com (Mike T Whited) I spotted two PC's on the 30th of July. Both were on I-84. Around 7 PM. The first was Black , eastbound around the NY, Penn border. the other was about 30 minutes later. This one was white and westbound. When I passed him and gave the thumbs up he had a big grin on his face when he saw my PC. Anyone we know? I also saw a 1990 in Port Aux Basques NF on the 28th. I got to talk to the operator and gave her the address to this group. She was from Ontario and riding with her husband who was on a Concourse. Mike Whited '94 PC _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 12:00:02 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: jpatton@ConnectI.com Subject: PC800: Will a 97 fit an 89? Will a 97 stock seat fit an 89 bike?? Just wondering Jpatton 89PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 13:40:07 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, sbl@ki.org, wings@armchair.mb.ca, GL1200-l@gwta.org, GL1500-l@gwta.org Subject: PC800: For Sale: 1995 Honda ACE Thanks for the bandwidth For Sale! 1995 Honda Shadow American Classic Edition (ACE) 1100cc - Dark Blue and Pearl White - 8,700 miles Newer rear tire Targa running lights National Cycle Street Shield Honda passenger backrest Willie & Max saddlebags and backrest bag Hondaline ACE Tourer chrome fender extenders Bike in A-1 condition, never dropped or laid down. $6,750 or best offer. Can be seen at: -- GWTA of Michigan web site http://my.voyager.net/gwta/ Thomas Ongstad -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:13:39 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:12:58 -0400 From: "Dana L. Sawyer" Subject: PC800: Corbin seats To: HondaPacificCoastOwners I've had lots of Corbin seats over the years, and each one has required a= certain amount of "adjustment" to fit. Several years ago I purchased a Corbin seat for my '90 Pacific Coast. It also required some adjustment. One trick employed by my mechanic to ease the installation of the passeng= er seat was to bevel the edges of the four bolts using a grinder. Although h= e didn't do it, you could first thread a nut on each bolt and then remove i= t after beveling the edges to straighten out the threads. Anyway, that made it easier to engage the bolts. The seat has now found a new home on my '97 Pacific Coast... I've known Mike Corbin for fifteen years or so, and it seems that quality= control problems have become more prevalent in recent years. He even spent the night at our house years ago when he was on the way fro= m one show to another... However, I don't have an answer to this thorny problem. But I do have a Corbin seat, and for my money, it works just fine, thank you... Dana P.S. Some businesses grow to a point where the owner loses touch with his= employees... IMHO...in the long run, customer service (or the lack of it) will decide whether a business grows or shrivels up and dies. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:13:01 -0400 From: "Dana L. Sawyer" Subject: PC800: Go figure... To: HondaPacificCoastOwners , HSTA Postings to List Mike Hamilton, one of the salespersons at our local Saturn retail store, rides a Harley. Recently he put his bike up for sale, and I asked him why= =2E He told me that in the last six months, three of his friends had been injured in accidents. The most recent accident involved a guy who was injured in an accident with a car and came out the loser. Without going into any gory details, suffice it to say that you will understand the severity of his injuries if I tell you that he had 450 stitches on his head/facial area! He wasn't wearing a helmet, and when I asked Mike if he= didn't think that his injuries might have been lessened if he had been wearing a helmet, he said without hesitation..."oh no...if he had been wearing a helmet, he'd have broken his neck!" Go figure... Dana P.S. Yesterday I rode home from our Pisgah Inn lunch meeting with one of our local members, who owns a motorcycle. I don't call him a motorcyclist= , because his only consideration when buying motorcycle "stuff" is the pric= e. For that reason, he doesn't own any motorcycle stuff...riding gear, etc. = He wears an ancient half helmet, no gloves, low shoes, short-sleeve shirt (= no jacket,) and...well, you get the picture. His tires were all but devoid o= f tread and he was saying that he could probably get another thousand miles= out of them. Why was I riding with him? He's fun to be around and somehow= I hope that he might look at me and my "stuff" and want to do better. = Reminds me of the first national BMWMOA rally that I attended in the earl= y 70's, held at Morgan Hill, California. There was a couple there selling a= ll of their bike stuff (and their BMW). It seems that they picked up a nail = in their tire (this was back in the bad old days of tube-type tires) and had= dumped the bike at a very low speed - 10 or 15 miles an hour. This guy's wife incurred disfiguring facial injuries, and they even had color photographs of her propped up in the hospital bed after the accident. A bit of trivia...have you ever ridden across the country to a national rally and, upon arrival at the site, see a handwritten notice saying that= the site had been moved! It happened! Why am I telling you this? Because, while it should be a given that every= motorcyclist wear a helmet at all times, I go further and cannot understa= nd why anyone would wear a half-helmet. "It's too hot in one of those full coverage helmets," they say. My answer..."it's not nearly as hot as in a casket with the lid closed." To me, the answer is that jaw, teeth, facial= , etc. injuries will probably not kill you, but they will be exceedingly painful, disfiguring and expensive! I don't know about you, but with my limited amount of facial beauty, I need all the help I can get! So...go figure (but wear a full coverage helmet while you're doing it!) The quality of motorcycles and riding gear has made such tremendous strid= es since I started riding centuries ago! I'm not telling you to mortgage the= company store to buy this stuff, but shop around and find what works for you, and what you can afford! Motorcycling is more fun when you are comfortable, in control and protected from the elements (and cage drivers= !) Now...back to doing what I do best zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 13:55:00 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: Amr Oloufa , "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: Utopia Bakrest question Slight correction to the other Steve's post. You do not cut through the seat pan, just through the foam to the pan and then drill 2 holes through the pan and sandwich the pan between the upright bar inside the seat and the mounting bar that is under the seat. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 46 Liter GIVI Bag, Rifle Shield, and too many other options to list. (My Wife might see!) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 15:09:53 -0400 From: Rich Thorne To: "Dana L. Sawyer" CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Go figure... Dana L. Sawyer wrote: > ..."oh no...if he had been > wearing a helmet, he'd have broken his neck!" > Dana, Thanks for this story and the comments regarding equipment. I also find varying opinions about how we should best prepare to ride. The answer above regarding the helmet reminds me of a conversation with a polite lady at an insurance agency to which I had accompanied the new owner of my CX500 (a minister) where he was applying for insurance. Her husband rode but she was very much opposed to the activity since she thought is was uncontrollably dangerous and foolhardy. As an example she offered the experience of her friend who had ridden a wing for many years and had recently lost her left foot in a low speed collision with a semi. The rider was following the semi which appeared to start a left turn by moving to the extreme left side of its lane at an intersection. In reality the semi was widening the space to make a right turn. Apparently turn signals were not used or not seen by the rider. The rider moved to pass the turning semi on the right as she went through the intersection, but the semi turned sharply into her and she lost her foot and a part of the lower leg. To the rider's credit- IMHO, she is being fitted for a prosthesis that will allow her to ride again. I can't say for sure, but I don't think I would have been too hasty to pass the semi on the right in this configuration. Intersections are inherently dangerous and unpredictable and a big semi rig really restricts your ability to see who else is doing what. I think, and I hope, I would have slowed behind the semi until I could get a full sense of the traffic and what was going to transpire. Total defensive riding requires enormous patience. This story relates to yours in that there was no way, (I am old enough now to recognize the futility of even trying) to change this woman's mind about the foolishness of motorcycling. But I think this accident may not have had to happen. rich 97 PC800 - On the stand, due to the gland. But what a great time to do the horns! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. env-from (bdhopkins@pcisys.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Brian Hopkins To: "PC 800 List (E-mail)" Subject: PC800: Montana Trip report (long) day 1 - 4 part 1 of 2 Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:47:39 -0700 This is the story of my trip to Montana, Idaho, British Columbia, = Wyoming (parts), Utah(part) on the bike. =20 Day 1 Left Denver to go to Grand Junction to meet with a friend (Stephan = Munyon) whom I would be riding with for at least part of the journey. I = don't like Interstates so I've done my best to avoid them. Went up I-70 = (can't be avoided) to Fremont Pass at Copper Mountain and went over that = and then headed towards Independence Pass. Now Independence Pass is = beautiful and a sight but it ends up going through the pit and = pretentious town of Aspen. Oh well, with every good, some bad must go. = As I began the ascent I noticed a visitors station for a big powerplant. = Oh cool, says the little boy in me and I pull in. Meet two guys on = bikes from Kansas who were touring around Colorado and we talked for a = while. And then up and over I went. Independence pass is like at = 11,000 feet for those of you unaware. It's above tree line and = absolutely gorgeous. Went over that, stopped for gas in Carbondale (I = refuse to stop in Aspen for any reason) and over McClure pass heading = towards the western slope. McClure pass isn't very busy (between = nowhere and nowhere) but it is very beautiful. Last 50 miles or so is = rather plain, got lost in Grand Junction, but finally found Steve's = house. (must admit, my fault, I approached his house from the south = rather than the north which I've done before.) Gear-First Gear Cordura 1pc riding suit ('stich copy), Shoei X-8 helmet, = Held gloves (a must buy), Daytona riding boots (which this was the first = ride for and I must admit they were great!!), RKA tank bag and tail bag, = and Bagman saddlebags. I had a enough clothes for 7 days, although I = expected to be gone 9 to 10. Oh well, I'll do laundry somewhere. Miles-approx 350 Day 2 Grand Junction, CO to Pocatello, Idaho The general plan was to meet with a group of HSTA riders doing the Big = Sky run in Coeur d'Lane on Friday night. This was too far to go in one = day, so we modified it to meet them on the second day and have dinner = with them in Missoula on Saturday night. This still required us to get = into Southern Idaho by the end of today. So, off we went. Up and over = Douglas pass (which I've never done) and that was pretty although rather = dirty with a mudslide wiping out about half the road. Rode though = Dinosaur, CO and headed towards Vernal Utah and then up to Flaming = George Reservoir. WOW! Pretty, pretty and a fun road too. This is = where the sign is for fossilized squid. However, it rained here for = most of this stretch so I didn't get to see as much of it as I would = have liked. Then we headed towards Bear Lake and highway 30 that runs = alongside. Hey, this should be a good road, running along a like. Um, = bad move. It's not in a national forest. That means 50 miles of ice = cream stands and jet ski rentals. Yuck!!! Started to rain here too but = rode out of it pretty quickly. Then rode north through this HUGE = valley, kinda boring but once you went up on top of the pass you could = see almost the entire valley. Very nice. Rode the last 20 miles on the = I and stayed in Pocatello. This was a long day, it was rather boring, = lots of traffic (around the lake) and it was cold then hot and windy and = just very stressful. Even though I did more miles later, I still think = this was the hardest day. Miles-503 Day 3 Pocatello, ID to Missoula, MT=20 Now here we hoped to get a better run, but the first road didn't look = too good. One big straight line across the Snake River valley. Oh = yeah, that and worse. When you can keep the throttle locked on and ride = with no hands for miles at a time, it's a boring road. Finally made = Arco (1st town powered by Atomic Energy) and then headed up the Lost = River Valley. (hwy 93) This wasn't a 'great' road but the scenery was = pretty cool. There is a sign that indicates if you drive up a 3 mile = dirt road you can see where the valley fell in a 12ft drop in an = earthquake. I didn't take it and I wish I had, don't blow the = opportunity if you are there. Went along this long plain and then all = of a sudden dropped through a mini-grand canyon for a mile or so (and = lost 1000+ feet of elevation) and then got into the town of Challis. = Now we ran along the Salmon River up until almost the Montana border. = Big high speed sweepers and much pretty scenery. Nice run and had lunch = in Salmon. Meet three guys all running on R1100RT's and asked them how = they were and if they could do 600 mile days. They said "oh no, we only = go around 400 a day." Wimps, I'm doing that much now. :) Went up Lost = trail pass (fun fun fun) and then saw that great sign-speed limit = daytime "reasonable and prudent". Oh I love the great state of Montana. = Rode into Missoula on 93 which had a ton of traffic up the bitterroot = valley. Saw the only accident with a truck deciding he could make it = across the highway and another pickup telling him he couldn't. spin, = crunch, spin but no one seemed to be hurt. We moved on. Had dinner with the HSTA folks, great bunch of guys (liars all-:) ) = including one guy who was heading back to Louisiana from ALASKA on his = KLR 650. He did 4000 miles of dirt roads in Alaka alone. Wow, what a = rider. (sorry, forgot his name). Got messed up by being north. Hey, = it's still light out, let's clean the bikes, opps it's 10:30 at night!! = Miles - approx 350-short day Day 4 Missoula MT to Whitefish MT (the long way) Get up at 6 (light already) and go have breakfast with the HSTA folks = and hear more lies and then off we go. We're heading to Whitefish but = we're not going to take the direct route (93 and maybe 150 miles). = We're going to go the long way and see northwestern Montana. Rode up = highway 200 along the Clark Fork River. Wow! Beautiful and a great = road too. I thought it was a lake until I stopped and noticed my "lake" = was moving along quite rapidly. Rivers are a lot bigger up there than = here in Colorado. :) Rode up Hwy 56 towards highway 2 and Libby. Great road. Wicked fast = and lots of fun. No traffic. I didn't pass anyone and I was doing a = reasonable and prudent 80/85. (yeah right :) ) Went to Libby dam and the Kocanusa lake and ran along that for 35 miles = (which is only about half the lake-I told you things were big up here) = which is another fun road. And then drove down into Whitefish and got = our overpriced hotel room (hey, resort town, what do you expect?). We = wanted to be close to Glacier for next morning's viewings and such. =20 Today was beautiful riding along with beautiful scenery. Aha, this is = why I came up here. Miles-approx 400 Next part Glacier, Canada and Idaho Sorry, can't type anymore, my neck muscles still hurt from riding for so = long. Brian D. Hopkins Bdhopkins@pcisys.net '96 VFR '97 PC 800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: PC800: Any Used PC's for Sale? From: Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org (Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 15:12:26 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) This is a plea for help from my fellow PC800 listers. I made the mistake of letting my girlfriend (who has her own '85 Nighthawk 650) drive my 97 PC800. Needless to say she's fallen in love with it and I can't get her off of it. I'm afraid that if I don't find a used one for her to buy soon I'll never get to ride my PC 800 again. Since she's a student, she only has around $3000 to spend on a new vehicle. I told her that we should be able to find an '89 or '90 or a later model with high miles in that price range. Besides, the PC800 is a perfect commuter for her at school and its reliability makes her feel more confident about riding on her own (neither of us own a car). I found an '89 with 18k miles for $3250. It has been dropped in a parking lot, so it has some scratches on one of the rear guards and two small cracks in the front fairing above the front guard. The front guard has been replaced. Also the drivers seat has a crack so it needs recovering. Other than that the bike is stock and in good shape. So far this looks like our best bet. Since we live in Washington State and there don't seem to be any used PC800's for sale right now around here, we're willing to take a road trip if we can find one in the Western US (anywhere West of the Rockies), especially if it's located in a part of the country worth visiting. Since she's starting back to school in September, we need to find one soon because we won't be able to travel very far once she starts classes. Has anyone on the list seen a PC800 for sale in their area in our price range? I'd much appreciate it if you know of one for sale to forward the phone number to me via e-mail. Thanks much. Greg Torok '97 PC800 (somewhere) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Go figure... of "Sun, 02 Aug 1998 14:13:01 EDT." <199808021413_MC2-54E1-4AA7@compuserve.com> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 15:43:13 -0500 "Dana L. Sawyer" writes: [...] > Why am I telling you this? Because, while it should be a given that every > motorcyclist wear a helmet at all times, I go further and cannot understand > why anyone would wear a half-helmet. "It's too hot in one of those full > coverage helmets," they say. When you say, "half-helmet", do you recognize there are at least 3 helmet types? The full-face, the 3/4 (covers the ears), and the 1/2 helmet (cooking pot on head, flaps might cover ears). I wear a full-face Arai Signet/e. It could use more internal airflow but certainly has enough to keep me from suffocating. With my taller windshield I find I like the helmet shield open about 1/2". Have known people to suffer a broken jaw. The "cure" involved the mouth wired shut for 6 weeks, and a liquid diet. One was in an automobile accident. The other was kicked by a horse. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "PC800@hpc.uh.edu" From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Question about engine oil of "Sun, 02 Aug 1998 09:29:05 EDT." <35C469A1.FEADA3D5@uscom.com> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 15:32:00 -0500 "Carl E. Luft" writes: > Vartan Kazarov wrote: > > > > Hello, all > > Can I go with a regular Mobil 1 10W-40 oil or should I use > > special motorcycle oil (whether syntetic or not)? Or how abou just > > regular oil. Can I use it? What's everybody experience? > > Thanks in advance for the info > > Vartan > > > I would wait till about 3000 to 4000 miles before switching to a > synthetic oil. My PC's gas mileage was still improving in the 1000 to > 2000 mile range. synthetics have a much higher film strength then > regular oils thus the regular oils are better for breakin service. A differing opinion: Put 15W50 Mobil-1 in it at 600 miles. Joe Mechanic at Bubba's Garage is full of old wive's tales of rings failing to seat when synthetic oil was used for "break-in". The business of break in oil in motorcycles seems to be an anarchism. Automobile manufactures routinely start new engines with synthetics. IMHO: As with all old wive's tales there is some truth to the matter. In the 60's and 70's there was a growing aftermarket of hardened rings. Claimed longer life. Actually offered longer life. But if the cylinder was not exactly round and the rings exactly the same then these hardened rings might never seal. It wasn't unusual for a fresh rebuild to burn oil for 5k miles. If you could stand it that long, it was time for another tear down to use softer rings. The most important part of the 600 mile oil change is to get whatever manufacturing dirt out that might have accidently been left behind. At 1200 miles (half with Mobil 1) my '98 PC800 is showing signs of additional break in. I had to adjust the idle down another 200 RPM today. Getting a consistant 47 MPG. No change this past 100 miles with a 6" taller Rifle. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Arvid_L=F8vik?=" To: "PC 800 Mailserver" Subject: PC800: Ready to pic up! Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:16:34 +0200 Hi group, I am signing off until wednesday. A friend and myself will take the Hamburg express bus from Stavanger, = Norway tomorrow (monday) afternoon,255 km. to Kristiansand,4 hour on the = ferry to Denmark, 500km to Hamburg,Germany.(ETA 0745),train for 1 hour = to Bremen, Pick up some new boots and jackets at Hein Gericke, get to = the shipping co. and get the 1989 PC`s and Bushtec ready. Will ride back = to Denmark,get a couple of cases with red and white wine in the Bushtec( = I do have to pay $ 8 a liter in custom upon arrival Norway), take the = ferry at 2345.(There was no cabin available so it will be a long = uncomfortable night in a sleeperette.) Arrival Egersund, Norway = wednesday 0645, ride to Stavanger 75 km. Try to get all the custom work done on wednesday, pay import tax and = duties( total $5800). And finally lisence the bikes on Thursday at = 0845!!!!! I hope all goes as planned. It useally does(not)!! But I have some GOOD = VIBES!!!! I will take some photos on the trip and will get them scanned upon = arrival. See You again on Wednesday,or if I am to short of remaining energy, on = Thursday. Regards Arvid=20 Stavanger Norway bus from=20 Stavanger, Norway tomorrow (monday) afternoon,255 km. to Kristiansand,4 = hour on=20 the ferry to Denmark, 500km to Hamburg,Germany.(ETA 0745),train for 1 = hour to=20 Bremen, Pick up some new boots and jackets at Hein Gericke, get to the = shipping=20 co. and get the 1989 PC`s and Bushtec ready. Will ride back to = Denmark,get a=20 couple of cases with red and white wine in the Bushtec( I do have to pay = $ 8 a=20 liter in custom upon arrival Norway), take the ferry at 2345.(There was = no cabin=20 available so it will be a long uncomfortable night in a sleeperette.) = Arrival=20 Egersund, Norway wednesday 0645, ride to Stavanger 75 km.
Try to get all the custom work done on wednesday, = pay import=20 tax and duties( total $5800). And finally lisence the bikes on Thursday = at=20 0845!!!!!
I hope all goes as planned. It useally does(not)!! = But I have=20 some GOOD VIBES!!!!
I will take some photos on the trip and will get = them scanned=20 upon arrival.
See You again on Wednesday,or if I am to short of = remaining=20 energy, on Thursday.
 
Regards
 
Stavanger
Norway
 
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. X-UID: 0007e631 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 21:03:26 -0400 Subject: PC800: Tank Bag Back Pack To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: tdavies@sfcs.k12.ny.us (Mr.Tim Davies) Someone just the other day was asking about a tank bag/back pack combination. I was checking out some other sites tonight and ran across this product for sale on the Honda Sport Touring Association's website: http://www.ridehsta.com/ It's only $9.00. I'm not sure if you have to be a memeber or not to order from them, but if you are interested you can check it out. Tim Davies-Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 Description from the HSTA merchandise page----------------------------------- This strap kit will convert your tank bag into an easy-to-carry backpack. First, it allows you to comfortably carry your tank bag and the straps with our kit are wide and comfy - they wont cut into your shoulders like other straps and they're fully adjustable. ... Next, it allows you to easily carry your helmet with you. If you've already decided that taking your tank bag with you is a good idea, then you probably don't want to leave your helmet behind. Our kit makes it easy to keep your helmet nearby and safe. ... The Backpack Strap Kit is not designed for a trip from the parking lot into the restaurant. It is intended to be used when you're away from your bike for an extended period of time. They're built and designed for hours of comfort. ... Easy to use, the kit comes with quality straps and clips, and three rings that attach to your tank bag (the rings stay attached to the bag and do not come into contact with the tank or bike in anyway). The kit rolls up and stores in an area about the size of a small pair of socks. Designed and manufactured by HSTAer Richard Wagner -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 20:15:01 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: Stock shield cut down to about 12"s! I had a shield that had been replaced under warranty for small cracks around the mounting holes. With the temps around 106 here I decided that I would try a SHORT shield for a 600 mile trip to Dallas this weekend. I removed my Rifle and reinstalled the stock shield. I taped the area around where I wanted to cut the shield and took a pencil tied to a string and used the center mounting screw as a pivot point to mark the shield. I cut an arch from even with the bottom side edges, straight up and over. Looks like a cafe shield now. The top of the shield is about two inches ahead of the top edge of the dash. My arms are not near as tired after 600 miles in 2 days as they usually are because the wind supported my upper body instead of my arms. My helmet noise was about 20% quieter and I got plenty enough wind to stay as comfy as comfy can be in a leather coat at 106 degrees. The wind is a straight line wind without the buffeting. It does make the helmet feel as though it is trying to lift off and you don't want to turn your head too fast but I like it. The back wash from the 18 wheelers didn't bounce the bike around nearly as much as usual. I did eat a few more bugs than usual but I needed the protein. In the interest of research it was tested at speeds up to 95 mph for brief periods.:-) I am very happy with the results of my experiment but don't recommend it to any one else, cause if you aren't happy with the way yours turns out, I don't want the blame. If you love it, I will take the credit. I used a really fine toothed jig saw for the cut, went slow and sanded the edges smooth. My 15 year old son said it looks cool. What more could I ask? One last thing, as a reference for you GIVE owners, the shield is a little lower than the top of my 46 ltr. bag. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 46 Liter GIVI Bag, Rifle Shield, and too many other options to list. (My Wife might see!) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 20:41:01 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: rthorne@erols.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Givi Rack It works well as a stand alone rack and may be all that's available. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 46 Liter GIVI Bag, Rifle Shield, and too many other options to list. (My Wife might see!) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Cory" To: "Steve Wilson" , Subject: Re: PC800: Stock shield cut down to about 12"s! Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:51:42 -0400 Steve wrote about his shortened shield......... I agree w/ you Steve. I still had the stock shield from my '89, so I cut it down 5" to make a "summer windshield" for my '90 out of it. It works great! Then next project is going to be to use most of the piece that I cut off the '89 windshield and, using some old SAENG/TA winglet hardware, make a "Mega-winglet" to be attached to the stock '90 windshield for colder weather use.... Later, Cory -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by smtp.uscom.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1998 19:15:15 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 22:13:52 -0400 From: "Carl E. Luft" To: "PC800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: Question about engine oil David Kelly wrote: > > "Carl E. Luft" writes: > > I would wait till about 3000 to 4000 miles before switching to a > > synthetic oil. My PC's gas mileage was still improving in the 1000 to > > 2000 mile range. synthetics have a much higher film strength then > > regular oils thus the regular oils are better for breakin service. > > A differing opinion: Put 15W50 Mobil-1 in it at 600 miles. Joe Mechanic > at Bubba's Garage is full of old wive's tales of rings failing to seat > when synthetic oil was used for "break-in". The business of break in > oil in motorcycles seems to be an anarchism. Automobile manufactures > routinely start new engines with synthetics. YES, you can put it in, BUT, If your consuming oil or theres a leaky seal or some other unforseen problem. It's better to let the motor prove itself for a few thousand miles on petrolium oils then to pour in expensive oil and watch it blow out the tail pipe or drip on the floor. This is what was said at a seminar held by Amsoil that i Atended some years ago where the featured speaker was one of the top specialists on synthetics in the country. > IMHO: As with all old wive's tales there is some truth to the matter. In > the 60's and 70's there was a growing aftermarket of hardened rings. > Claimed longer life. Actually offered longer life. But if the cylinder > was not exactly round and the rings exactly the same then these hardened > rings might never seal. It wasn't unusual for a fresh rebuild to burn > oil for 5k miles. If you could stand it that long, it was time for > another tear down to use softer rings. > > The most important part of the 600 mile oil change is to get whatever > manufacturing dirt out that might have accidently been left behind. Yes, this is a must! > At 1200 miles (half with Mobil 1) my '98 PC800 is showing signs of > additional break in. I had to adjust the idle down another 200 RPM > today. Getting a consistant 47 MPG. No change this past 100 miles with > a 6" taller Rifle. That was what i was getting at about 1000 miles. On the way to the Honda Hoot, Millage inproved to about 49 MPG and on the way back it went to 53MPG. I put about 1800 miles on that trip. I now have 3600 miles on and the last check was 56MPG. The odd thing is, thats my every day riding and not just hiway miles Carl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m28.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DKPRQXQB; Sun, 02 Aug 1998 23:08:28 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Henryb1064@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:26:13 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Happy Clearview Shield Owner From: swift24@juno.com (John D Louk) That makes two of us! I'm 5' 12" (ah, well) and as I posed earlier, the Clearview is a no=brainer choice. It is what the PC has needed since its inception and mine is a keeper, too. John Louk Carmel, IN '90 PC "Ruby" Remember, if the enemy is within range, so are you. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Henryb1064@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:06:48 EDT To: broeking@erols.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Happy Clearview Shield Owner In a message dated 8/2/98 6:07:48 PM Mountain Daylight Time, broeking@erols.com writes: > What are the sizes the clearview comes in? I am 6'2" and was considering > the tallest Rifle or tallest Clearview to lessen the wind noise. Did the > clearview mount without any alterations and did you take any pictures? Bob It is available in a +1",+3",+5" all of which are +2" wider on each side than the stock shield. The price is set at $130.00 For the 1 and 3 inch options, and $140.00 for the +5" option.The shield mounts with original hardware, no alterations needed. I have yet to take pictures, but fellow PCer Francois Saint Laurent took some and has posted them at: http://www.magma.ca/~fsl/pc800/clearview.html Thanks, Francois! cheers, --henry -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:19:48 -0400 To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Arvid_L=F8vik=22?= , "PC 800 Mailserver" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Ready to pic up! At 12:16 AM +0200 8/3/98, Arvid L=F8vik wrote: > , > >Pick up some new boots and jackets at Hein Gericke, get to the shipping >co. and get >the 1989 PC`s and Bushtec ready. > > Good luck, and have a safe trip..... You must be excited! fsl :-) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) =46rancois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 08:25:44 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: John D Louk CC: Henryb1064@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Happy Clearview Shield Owner John D Louk wrote: > > That makes two of us! I'm 5' 12" (ah, well) and as I posed earlier, the > Clearview is a no=brainer choice. It is what the PC has needed since its > inception and mine is a keeper, too. > > John Louk > Carmel, IN > '90 PC "Ruby" > > Remember, if the enemy is within range, so are you. > Since I am in the process of getting a PC and figured I would probably need to get a Rifle windshield, this clearview sounds interesting. Do they have a web address or web page? TommyTeal -- 93SE (Teal, You Think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE 98V-Star (Red, you bet) GWTA #6871 GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 10:19:07 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Rifle versus Clearview Has anyone been able to do an "objective" comparison of the Rifle shield versus the Clearview. I don't care much about asthetics, but am interested in function. Which is quieter, less windy, etc. Thanks. TommyTeal -- 93SE (Teal, You Think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE 98V-Star (Red, you bet) GWTA #6871 GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com via smtpd (for Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) with SMTP; 3 Aug 1998 18:23:04 UT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:13:27 -0500 Subject: PC800: Motor Cycle Cruise FYI I noticed in Rider that Sport Touring Accessories has a cruise control for the PC. This is a real cruise control that maintains a constant speed on your bike. Price is listed at $395. Their web site says the PC model is in development but the ad and the company that makes it claims they have one ready. Sport Touring Accessories www.dnet.net/~pemble 1-800-889-5550 Two Brothers Cruising www.mccruise.com Later Roger -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 14:16:32 -0400 From: Bill McKenna To: Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Motor Cycle Cruise FYI It works... Have one on the ST. You'll like it if you have the inclination for lonnnnng rides @ a speed, and a couple $$ to $pare... FWIW. Bill Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com wrote: > > I noticed in Rider that Sport Touring Accessories has a cruise control for > the PC. This is a real cruise control that maintains a constant speed on > your bike. Price is listed at $395. Their web site says the PC model is in > development but the ad and the company that makes it claims they have one > ready. > > Sport Touring Accessories > www.dnet.net/~pemble > 1-800-889-5550 > > Two Brothers Cruising > www.mccruise.com > > Later > Roger > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill McKenna- AugustaMaine--USA Did you know that the average life expectancy of a child diagnosed with a brain tumor is 18 months? Help change this! Visit the "Ride for Kids" Page http://www.mint.net/~bmckenna/NERFK.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John Scalisi" To: broeking@erols.com, Henryb1064@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Happy Clearview Shield Owner Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:45:59 PDT I purchased my 1990 PC800 last year and it already had a Rifle windshield installed. I do not have the original stock windshield. My question is, if I wanted to put a Clearview windshield on are there any stock components I would be missing since I don't have the original shield? Or, can I simply remove the Rifle and install the Clearview? Any help? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: PC800: Coast'n Dog Pics From: Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org (Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 14:20:43 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) Due to overwhelming demand to see Bailey the Pacific Coast'n Dog, I'm = posting the URL for the pictures which are now available on the PC800 web site at: http://members.tripod.com/~pc800/indexpic.html Bailey can be seen in picture number 70, 71, and 72. Gee, maybe Bailey and I should start a little travelling side-show to = finance my road-trips :-O Enjoy! Greg Torok 97 PC800 Bellingham, WA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. X-UID: 0007e6a3 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 17:54:19 -0400 Subject: Re(2): PC800: Motor Cycle Cruise FYI To: bmckenna@mint.net Cc: Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: tdavies@sfcs.k12.ny.us (Mr.Tim Davies) Bill, did you install the cruise control yourself? I was just on the Two Brothers Cruising website (http://www.mccruise.com/) and the installation explanation sounds straight forward enough. One of the reviews there of the product says it takes about 4 hours to install and goes better with 2 people for part of it. Tim Davies-Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 bmckenna@mint.net,Internet writes: >It works... Have one on the ST. You'll like it if you have >the inclination for lonnnnng rides @ a speed, and a couple >$$ to $pare... > >FWIW. > >Bill > >Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com wrote: >> >> I noticed in Rider that Sport Touring Accessories has a cruise control >for >> the PC. This is a real cruise control that maintains a constant speed >on >> your bike. Price is listed at $395. Their web site says the PC model is >in >> development but the ad and the company that makes it claims they have >one >> ready. >> >> Sport Touring Accessories >> www.dnet.net/~pemble >> 1-800-889-5550 >> >> Two Brothers Cruising >> www.mccruise.com >> >> Later >> Roger -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:27:33 CDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 17:26:30 -0500 From: "David L. Sigsbee" Subject: PC800: Introduce myself, describe my PC, and ask for some info To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Reply-to: dsigsbee@memphis.edu First let me introduce myself. My name is David Sigsbee, Memphis TN, 59 years old, and of average height and marital status. E-mail: dsigsbee@memphis.edu. In addition to being a motorcyclist, I have been a faculty member (Latin and Greek) and an administrator of various sorts at the University of Memphis for longer than I care to remember, i.e., 1976. My full-time teaching began at the University of South Dakota in 1962, and I was at various institutions, mostly in YankeeLand, after that. I have ridden both dirt and street bikes since the mid-sixties, and my most recent past bike was a Suzuki GS 850GX that gave up the ghost after seventeen years (actually I gave up its ghost because of fear about reliability problems). My Earlier street bikes, in reverse chronlogical order, were a Suzuki GS 650, a Honda CF 350 Four, a Honda CB 350, and a couple of junk bikes left to me by departing students--a Honda Dream, various small two strokes. I had thought about buying a PC 800 since it came out in 1989, and last week I finally bought a used 94. I have only ridden the bike about a hundred miles or so, and my wife has yet to ride on it with me (something about management problems with a fifteen year old male offspring of ours). This group's collected wisdom, and sometimes its wit, has shortened the learning curve for me considerably, and I want to thank you all for help you gave unawares. I hope I can return the favor with some contribution or insight in the future. My PC came with the Honda passenger backrest. My planned additions, all resulting from knowledge gained by lurking in this group over the last six months, are: Vista-Cruise throttle control (done this weekend--combined the the notch-in-the-plastic-cover-for-the L-shaped-thingy method and the screw-through-the-L-shaped-thingy method for a fail-safe installation), Rifle windscreen (already ordered one after the test ride and before I even picked up the bike), Givi tail trunk (SR10 mounting bracket is on back order), four-way flasher (Kriss Industries), tank bag (Chase Harper), voltmeter and ammeter (both VDO), Utopia rider's backrest, probably Utopia passenger's backrest (see below), maybe oil pressure and oil temperature gauges (both VDO again), and perhaps Baker Air Wings. Also have already bought some N-Style clear vinyl to protect areas that need it, such as where the tank bag will rest. I have two questions about PC 800 accessories. The first is concerning the Utopia passenger's backrest. Will it work with a Givi tail trunk, specifically the 50 liter or 46 liter model? Is there enough room to use any of the backrest's adjustment, is the trunk's hinge high enough to clear the top of the backrest and allow it to be opened without removal, or is the Givi attachable backrest for the tail trunk the better option? The second question is concerning the Baker Air Wings. From what I can tell of their installed position, it appears to me that they are useful for diverting the heated air from the engine and radiator around the rider's and (perhaps) the passenger's legs and for diverting rain. However, given the position of the heat ducts, it seems that the Air Wings cannot be adjusted to direct cool air in toward the rider/passenger without also including some of the heated air from the engine compartment. Is this assessment correct? If it is, I don't know that I want to install them. I did search the archives carefully and could not seem to find an answer there. There is a third question, not about accessories, but about electrical output capacity. There have been discussions in this group about the the wattage demand of various electrical devices relative to alternator output, and most of it makes perfect sense. And since I am considering electrically heated clothing, it has become a critical issue. However, while most current draw (of bulbs and electrically heated gloves, for instance) is easy to find out about, I do not know how much current the ignition system draws when the engine is operating at various RPM. Related to this is another matter, that of how great a demand can an alternator sustain for an extended period. The information I have about automobile alternators is that they are not to operate continuously at a demand rate of over 75% of capacity (this bit of wisdom comes by way of the installation instructions with an Autozone rebuilt alternator). Is the same true of the PC 800 alternator? To put it another way, if the sustained current draw is limited to 75%, one's electrical devices, excluding short term operating things like the brake light and turn signals, should be kept to 75% of the 340 watt output of the PC's alternator, that is 255 watts. Is this correct? I am looking forward to any of your responses and hope to someday be able to give something back to the group. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 19:00:14 -0400 From: Bill McKenna To: Howard Hecht , Mike Vaillincourt , Lynda Simpson CC: "David T. Buzynski" , Tom Cardinaldi , Cosimo Cariolo , Brian Cescot , Paul Essenfeld , "Peter C. Fyler" , Honda Sport Touring Association , Jeff Knights , "\"Go Ride NESTOC!\"" , "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" , Dick Seng , ST 1100 List , Pete Wells , WingNut , bikeopath@aol.com Subject: PC800: From Mike Traynor July 25 Maysville/Westerville, Ohio The July 25th Ohio Ride for Kids (RFK) event held in Marysville, Ohio in conjunction with Honda of America Manufacturing's recent "Homecoming Rally" was a day of success, smiling children and proud motorcyclists at the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation's RFK which supports childhood brain tumor research. 425 participating riders turned in donations totalling $110,635 which is a new record for this seven year old event. The RFK started out at the Honda manufacturing facility and then with a police escort rode through the scenic central Ohio countryside arriving at their destination of the American Motorcyclist Association's headquarters in Westerville, Ohio. There the riders were welcomed by AMA president Ed Youngblood. Film crews from ABC-TV, CBS-TV and NBC-TV, were joined by ESPN's MotoWorld, Jerry Bernardo and his ESPN MW2 crew and Larry Maiers and his Speedvision film team. While all eyes were on the kids, the day's totals were announced via a huge check the poster kids held up on stage. When the crowd saw that they had topped the $100,000 mark for the first time at this RFK event they went wild with proud cheers. The riders not only celebrated their success on this day but they also raised the hopes of the researchers, the clinicians and the families who were in attendance that we are now one step closer to finding the answer to childhood brain tumors which are the most deadly of all the childhood cancers. The Top individual fund raiser was once again, perennial champion Richard Silva, an avid Ohio motorcyclist and a parent of a child who died from a brain tumor. The Top fund raising Motorcycle Chapter was GWRRA NC-W of Eden, NC, and the Top Dealership was Ed's Honda of South Boston, VA. Ralph Harvey of Eden, NC was the winner of the Grand Prize Honda motorcycle. At the close of the RFK event the children and the riders were treated to a tour of the AMA's world-class motorcycle museum which currently features "50 years of Honda motorcycles". The next Ride for Kids is August 16 in Worcester, MA. --------------------------------------------------------------------- For more information on the Ride for Kids and the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation call 1-828-665-6891 or e-mail at PBTFUS@ibm.net -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill McKenna--AugustaMaine-USA Did you know that Brain tumors are the number one killer of children under the age of 15? You can help change that, Visit the Ride for Kids Page http://www.mint.net/~bmckenna/NERFK.htm ~~ COMING SOON to a New England near you!!~~ Let us know if we can answer ANY questions, or if you want to help out... *** -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 19:32:12 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: GL1500-l@gwta.org, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, sbl@ki.org, wings@armchair.mb.ca Subject: PC800: To be or not to be I wish to thank the multitude of people that came forth with their opinions and suggestions on the Pacific Coast. I received exactly what I wanted, good and not-so-good opinions on the PC and its various components. I cannot tell you how good it felt to get such an overwhelming response to my queries. While still receiving these responses, I did my shopping around. I visited no less than 9 Honda shops. Not a single one had a PC in stock (though one sold one three days before I showed up, figures). I finally made a deal with a pretty good shop for a 98 on Saturday, but he had to do some searching on Monday to find one and would call me back. Realizing that three shops would not even bother to try and find one (they said none were available), and a couple more were dubious of the prospects, I was hopeful, but concerned. Today, the dealer calls, no luck. No 98's to be found anywhere (dealer is in lower Michigan). I am crestfallen. Even though I had been telling myself that if I cannot get one, fine, not meant to be, and the ACE would be fine (though not preferred). Hang up the phone. What now. I had heard that a local dealer, that I had visited before, might be getting one. Didn't really like the idea of going there, but, desperate times call for desparate measures. I call. They have a new '97 they just traded for since the last time I was in (for me?). How much? $6,499 (list price). Will you deal? How much more do I have to give you to take this bike, he says. Hmmmm. Time to visit. There it sits. Brand new '97. No miles, never titled. Nobody around. Hmmm. Nahh. In comes the owner bringing in another bike to sell. He remembers me. Moment of truth. Will he match the deal on the '98 (not the time to try and save a few bucks between 98 and 97). How much he says. Show him the offer. $5,850 plus tax, title and plates ($6,220 total). Yep. Did he say "Yep". Yep. I bought it. Emotions mixed. Now did I pay too much. Doesn't seem so. Do not plan to sell so year don't matter. Never titled so warrenty starts when sold. 'K. Want it, and want it now. Now to sell the ACE (the small amount at trade in kinda bothers me). One way or another, by the end of the week, that bike will be in my garage (but not for long!). Thanks again for all that helped in this buying decision and that provided much info on accessories for the new baby. Don B. I have almost caught you in the number of bikes! TommyTeal -- 93SE(Teal, you think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast (soon to be) 98V-Star(Red? you bet) GWTA of Michigan web site http://my.voyager.net/gwta/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 19:33:48 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Thank you I wanted to send a separate thank you to the overwhelming response I got to my questions on peoples PC800's. This list has been the best. I have dealt with others and to varying degrees they responded, but nothing like I got from this group. Take a bow folks, you deserve it. TommyTeal -- 93SE(Teal, you think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast (on the way) 98V-Star(Red? you bet) GWTA of Michigan web site http://my.voyager.net/gwta/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Introduce myself, describe my PC, and ask for some info Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:44:47 +0200 Hello David, Welcome to the active part of the list. Offcourse we all knew you were watching us, we're glad you finally decided to reveil your identy ; )) . I don't know all the answers to your questions, in fact I've got none, in fact I've got two questions for you. > last six months, are: Vista-Cruise throttle control (done this > weekend--combined the the notch-in-the-plastic-cover-for-the > L-shaped-thingy method and the screw-through-the-L-shaped-thingy method > for a fail-safe installation), > Why the notch AND the screw ? Don't you either put a screw in it because you don't want to cut a slot, or use the slot because the lock needs some free play to work better ? If you made the slot allready it doesn't seem logical to use the screw also. Since you got both, could you comment on the operation of the lock with or without the screw ? I'm still waiting for my throttle lock (it's probably near Iceland now) and I'm wondering which way works better. > The second question is concerning the Baker Air Wings. From what I can > tell of their installed position, it appears to me that they are useful > for diverting the heated air from the engine and radiator around the > rider's and (perhaps) the passenger's legs and for diverting rain. > On my PC, the engine heat-oulets don't pass any heated air to my legs (wish they did, would be pretty nice in winter). In winter you can feel that especially, if you put your knees outboard the fairing you feel the engine-heated air. I thought the baker wings were there to do the opposite, to let the engine-heated air be guided to your (in wintertime) frozen knees. Rain diverting is allready superb thanks to the fairing alone. As long as I keep riding when it rains, my waterproof cordura suit and gloves will stay pretty dry. I only need the suit when it's like reeeaaaally bad, or when I'm hardly moving. I can't answer your questions about the Utopia-Givi combo, except that I had two new 36 liter cases on my previous bike, not 46 liter. I'm pretty sure they only have the 36 and 50 liter. The 36 version BTW, can also hold two full face helmets. Don't worry about the contribution David, we'll still like you. You have a PC, right ? : ) Thanks for coming out. It does feel better, doesn't it ? Enjoy the summer (Aussie translation: Enjoy the winter, Ronald), Emile Nossin '90 PC800 " The Flying Dutchman " Santpoort, Holland, Europe Emile@Cybercomm.nl Never look back upon your life and say : " I should have done that.." -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:23:28 -0700 (PDT) From: John La Subject: PC800: Introduce myself, describe my PC, and ask for some info To: PC800 Hi David- I have the Utopia backrest, but not the GIVI. Pictures of the backrest are at: http://hhd.csun.edu/john/utopia.htm The farthest the utopia goes back is straight up on top of the honda rest. All of the adjustment is forward from there. From the look of the GIVI's I've seen, they would not interfere. They tend to hang out over the rear or the bike, away from the seat rather than toward the seat. And, by the way... since you're an expert on latin, how do you say PC800 in latin? epay esay 8a undredhay? Welcome to the group! John == PC800 FAQ now online! Check it out- http://hhd.csun.edu/john/pcfaq.htm _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:59:18 -0400 To: dsigsbee@memphis.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Introduce myself, describe my PC, and ask for some info At 5:26 PM -0500 8/3/98, David L. Sigsbee wrote: >First let me introduce myself. My name is David Sigsbee, Memphis TN, Welcome David! > There is a third question, not about accessories, but about electrical >output capacity. There have been discussions in this group about the >the wattage demand of various electrical devices relative to alternator >output, and most of it makes perfect sense. And since I am considering >electrically heated clothing, it has become a critical issue. I can't give you a specific answer regarding output of the PC system, but I can recommend a solution to help minimize the load on the system when using electrical clothing. Many of the heated jackets, vests, etc. have a high/low switch. When set to high, they draw the full current, let's say 5 amps. (This is not an actual number, just a hypothetical number for the purposes of this discussion) . When they are set to low, the 5 amps is passed through a resistor of some sort to lower it to 2.5 or so, and the vest doesn't get as hot....but it still draws 5 amps. I installed a Gerbing Digital thermostat on my PC800. It uses a dimmer switch that provides current in a series of slow or fast pulses, depending on how high the dimmer switch is set. In this manner, you are only drawing the current you need for a given temperature of your vest. They make two models. One is pocket size, and the other (my choice) is mounted permanently to the bike, and has a dimmer switch and status LED on a long lead, for remote mounting on your dash or fairing somewhere. I have used it quite a few times, and I really like it on those cool nights where I was starting to get a chill. WIth the old thermostat, I would be very cold, then turn on the vest until I was medium well, then turn it off until I started to freeze, etc. With this setup I can just 'dial in' the temperature I need. I highly recommend this accessory. It was about $70 if I remember correctly. bye for now...ride safe..... fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:08:41 +0000 From: Bill Snead To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: Latin Pigs, ummm Pig Latin. John La wrote: > And, by the way... since you're an expert on latin, how do you say > PC800 in latin? > > epay esay 8a undredhay? It's been awhile so tell me how far off I am (was always bad at declensions) "Pacificatio Litus octingentesimus" ? (Pacific Coast Eight hundred) A cigar yet? -- Peace and All Good, Bill -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:10:48 -0400 To: gwta@voyager.net, GL1500-l@gwta.org, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, sbl@ki.org, wings@armchair.mb.ca From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: To be or not to be At 7:32 PM -0400 8/3/98, Thomas Ongstad wrote: > >I bought it. Emotions mixed. Now did I pay too much. Doesn't seem >so. Do not plan to sell so year don't matter. Never titled so warrenty >starts when sold. 'K. Want it, and want it now. Did you pay too much? Nope...It was the bike you wanted, and getting another one would be next to impossible. At that point, price becomes less of a concern, and availability becomes a commodity you pay for.... But...for reference sake....I was in a Honda/Harley dealer in Potsdam last week, and they had a brand new 98 sitting on the floor. The dealer sticker said $8699, so I don't know if the dealer is trying to find a sucker and pocket the difference, or if it is just a dealer who doesn't care much and hadn't bothered to mark the discounted price. Offhand, I can't remember the name of the dealer, but if anyone is interested, I'm sure I could find it somewhere. bye for now.....and congrats to you Thomas for your new purchase. fsl > >Now to sell the ACE (the small amount at trade in kinda bothers me). > >One way or another, by the end of the week, that bike will be in my >garage (but not for long!). > >Thanks again for all that helped in this buying decision and that >provided much info on accessories for the new baby. > >Don B. I have almost caught you in the number of bikes! > >TommyTeal >-- >93SE(Teal, you think?) >95Hannigan >95ACE (got to go) >97Pacific Coast (soon to be) >98V-Star(Red? you bet) >GWTA of Michigan web site http://my.voyager.net/gwta/ >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "The Broeking's" To: Subject: PC800: Picture Of Vista Cruise? Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:08:19 -0400 I have seen pictures of the BMW wrist lock and the Throttlemister (looks very nice); was wondering if there is a picture of the Vista Cruise installed anywhere on our PC web pages? Bob -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:16:33 +0000 From: Bill Snead To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: Latin Pigs, ummm Pig Latin. > "Pacificatio Litus octingentesimus" ? (Pacific Coast Eight hundred) Or is it maybe *Pacificatorium Litoris octingentesimum* ? Or *Pacifica Litus octingentesimus* ? Oh Heck, said I was bad...David? -- Peace and All Good, Bill -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'97PC800'" <97PC800@bizgroup.net> Cc: "'PC800 List'" Subject: RE: PC800: '97 & newer points to ponder. Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:22:14 -0400 Hmmm, since the lower fork legs are different on the '97 and newer bikes, do these models still have the antidive front suspension? Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: 97PC800 [SMTP:97PC800@bizgroup.net] Sent: Saturday, August 01, 1998 6:46 AM To: pc 800 list Subject: PC800: '97 & newer points to ponder. Hello Coasters(does this mean that "the drinks are on us"?-yuk,yuk!), Things I have "un-deleted" from my PC that Honda chose to remove: Left muffler cover-covers up the butt-ugly PC muffler can... If you decide to get one, make sure the dealer orders the "stay"(metal mounting bracket, separate part number). Magnetic crankcase drain plug. I discovered my friend Daves' '96 had one when doing and oil change for him prior to the HomeComing. Also, while at the HomeComing last week, Dave decided that he likes the "97 & newer front-end treatment better. One of the Coasters we met has a '97 and likes the original style better. They attempted a swap, right there by the Corbin booth, but to no avail. Too many differences, most noticeably the unpolished forks on the '96. Regards, Steve Scudder 97PC800@bizgroup.net Grand Rapids, MI -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. X-UID: 0007e6c3 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:33:07 -0400 Subject: PC800: HSTA Info To: 71430.340@compuserve.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: tdavies@sfcs.k12.ny.us (Mr.Tim Davies) Dana, I just received the Honda Sport Touring Association information in the mail today. Sounds good. I'll send my check out for a couple of years tomorrow. Thanks. I look forward to attending some of the events. Tim Davies-Pacific Coast '98 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:49:21 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: Francois Saint Laurent CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: To be or not to be Francois Saint Laurent wrote: > But...for reference sake....I was in a Honda/Harley dealer in Potsdam last > week, and they had a brand new 98 sitting on the floor. The dealer sticker > said $8699, so I don't know if the dealer is trying to find a sucker and > pocket the difference, or if it is just a dealer who doesn't care much and > hadn't bothered to mark the discounted price. Offhand, I can't remember > the name of the dealer, but if anyone is interested, I'm sure I could find > it somewhere. > > bye for now.....and congrats to you Thomas for your new purchase. Thank you Francois, During my travels to the nine Honda dealerships I found: 2 new the right list price, 4 accepted that the price may be different but did not know (I did) 3 were adamant that the price was 8699 (98) because their damn little price sheets said so and that was all there was too it. So 7 of 9 did not know of the price reduction. How long has it been in place? And what kind of lousy job is the Honda rep doing of keeping his dealers informed. No wonder they could not sell the bike, until I went to look :-) I took along a printed page from Honda's webpage with the correct list price (6699) for ammunition. I was nice to them all, figuring that most likely it is not their fault, but who knows. Did make for a pain in trying to discuss price though. TommyTeal -- 93SE(Teal, you think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast (on the way) 98V-Star(Red? you bet) GWTA of Michigan web site http://my.voyager.net/gwta/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Scott Casuto" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: selling a new stock seat Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 20:05:09 PDT I have recently purchased a corbin saddle for my new pc. i've been on the stock saddle about 1/2 a dozen times and will probably not have any use for the mount in the future. anyone interested in purchasing a stock pc saddle for a 98 pc? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Scott Casuto" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: top speed Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 20:38:23 PDT what seems to be the general consensus of this group on this bikes top speed. i've heard rumors from 105 all the way up to 117. whats the real skinny here? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Scott Casuto" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: can someone get me some more power? Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 20:40:06 PDT i'm looking for a way to give my pc a little more testosterone. i've been told that its just not going to happen. does anyone out there tend to differ? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Doylefish@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 23:53:33 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Half Helmets Hi Guys, I do not want to get in a what is better type of helmet. I have at least 12 of them. Given a choice I will aways pick one of my HJC half helmets. I do not care for the full face and only wear one in the coldest of winter. I also have 3/4 helmets for general cold riding but my favorite is the 1/2 helmets with ear flaps. I have been in two could have been nasty accidents always with a half helmet and come out just great. Most motorcycle cops wear 1/2 helmets in this area. Please do not get on the podium preaching. All helmets are dot approved so just wear what you are comfortable with and let others do the same. Have a great and safe summer. Doyle C. Frazier Lebanon, Oregon 95PC-Dark Vadar -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. env-from (bdhopkins@pcisys.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Brian Hopkins To: "PC 800 List (E-mail)" Subject: PC800: Montana trip report days 5 through 9 part 2 of 2 (long) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:51:29 -0700 Con't Day 5 Glacier National Park (U.S.) Whitefish MT to Cranbrook British Columbia Got up early to head to Glacier and spend at least half a day there. = Left Whitefish and heading along the road and the mist is rising off the = whitefish river with the mountains in the background. Beautiful, and = we're not even to the park. There is this dam, Hungry Horse Dam along = the road, 538 feet tall. Hey, gotta see it, I'm a civil engineer at = heart. :) Great little 5 mile road up to it, and dam is it impressive. = Really neat and the water is just glass. Zoom back down that road and = head into West Glacier to buy souvenirs. Been there, done that, gotta = get the T-shirt right? (besides, I needed more clean shirts. :) ) Headed into Glacier park proper. WOW. What can I say, this is perhaps = the most beautiful place I've ever seen. It's intensely beautiful. You = could spend days here and in fact, I'm already planning to go back next = summer. If you haven't been (I had never been) it is a must see. =20 Went into East Glacier for lunch (yes, Mr. Mileage took 5 hours to do 83 = miles and it was still too fast) and Steve (riding partner) decided he = needed to head for home and I wanted to continue to see things. So we = split up, him heading south and me going north into Canada. Crossed = into Canada and then saw Waterton National Park (Canada) and well, see = above paragraph) and then rode a little through Alberta and then over = Crow's Nest Pass into Cranbrook. Canada's speed limits are just a = little too low. But upon thinking about it, deciding they are probably = high with 4 feet of snow on them in the winter, so seems like a valid = compromise. As you go over Crow's nest pass you go by/through the Frank = slide area where an entire mountain slipped down and took out an entire = town and most of a large valley. Good reminder of the power of nature. Saw the world's biggest dump truck in Sparwood BC. (sorry, Dave A.) Had the best fish 'n chips in my life (ok, so we don't get good seafood = in Colorado) in Granny Cottle's fish and chips in Cranbrook. Something = to keep in mind. Miles-450 (mostly all after lunch) and while not great riding roads, = some incredible scenery. Day 6 Cranbrook BC to Coeur d'lane ID via New Denver BC Well, Cranbrook to Coeur d'lane the straight way is only about 150 = miles, and we can't have that so I noticed on the map that there was a = town called New Denver. Well being from "old" Denver, you can see the = thought process here. Started early and went over some pass (forgot the = name) and it was georgeous and absolutely zero traffic early in the = morning. This is where the black bear crossed my path. (inner thought = process, oh oh a Bambi. No, no, Bambi's aren't black. Oh, it's a dog. = No, we're 50 miles from the nearest town. What the hell is that? Oh, = cool, it's a bear, stop get picture. No don't stop too close. Oh = damn, he's gone. Pretty cool though, made my day.:) ) Went through = Nelson to get gas (on fumes) and then road north towards Balfour. At = Balfour all the traffic disappears as they all take the ferry back east = (to skip the pass I was just on). Oh oh, beautiful winding curvy = mountain road along a lake, speeds go up. Go across the mountains again = (deserted road, setting own speed limit) into New Denver. Wow, New = Denver is much prettier than old Denver. It's set against a mountain = with a large lake on the other side. Very nice. Ride south towards = Trail to get gas and lunch and just stay in awe at the beauty of = Canada/British Columbia. It's amazing. Although I do have a question = for our Canadian listers, why are the bridges made out of wood?? Very = slick and you learn to slow down when approaching a bridge. Ride along the north east corner of Washington along the Columbia and = then down Idaho (up and down) into Coeur d'lane to meet fellow lister JT = Smith and his friend from Boise, Ron Shepard. Got together and BS'd for = a while (ok, told lies :) ) and then I had to go pass out. Miles-503 (!!!) and the best overall day of scenery and riding so far. = (although Glacier is more beautiful, it didn't last all day and for 500 = miles.) Day 7 Coeur d'lane ID to Boise ID Meet with JT and Ron for breakfast and Ron showed me some serious good = roads to take. Serious technical, 1st and 2nd gear stuff interspersed = with 50 mile stretches of high speed sweepers. Interesting day of = riding. Probably the best day of riding (until later). Idaho is = incredibly rugged. I can't imagine being a pioneer and trying to get = across some of this terrain. It's pretty but not gorgeous like BC. = Look at the map at Hwy 95 running north and south. Notice that it is = the ONLY road running north to south. Note the little town of White = Bird. Just north of this, it rises like 5000 feet (3 runaway truck = ramps) up onto the high plains of Northern Idaho. This road was not = built until the 1930's. Until that time there was no way to get from = southern to Northern Idaho. This should give you some idea of the = ruggedness. This area is the largest area in the lower 48 without = roads. Incredible. Going south on Hwy 95 about 20 miles before Horse Shoe Bend, the sign = says road construction and loose gravel. Oh great, thanx for warning me = now, I'm not turning around and backtracking 100 plus miles. Oh well, = I've handled this before and I'll just slow down. Well the gravel = (actually 3/4" rocks) keeps getting deeper and deeper and looser and = looser. It's now over an inch deep and its sitting on top of hot gooey = tar (its 90 plus degrees out) and its like riding on marbles on ice. = Shit shit shit. Not happy, but I can do this. Well then they stop us. = On a banked curve. Steeply banked curve. Put down feet and as the = weight of the bike comes on the lower foot (following gravity) the foot = just keeps heading west because there's nothing to plant on. Shit shit = shit, too late bail. THUMP!!! (*&*&^%&^$$^^%*(&*(&#@$#^&*&*(()*& I = was pissed, furious actually. How stupid do you have to be to put down = rocks on top of hot tar and then expect people to ride over it? Whose = dumb idea is this? People are pulled over with broken windshields. = (after doing maybe 20mph). STUPID STUPID STUPID. Pulled over to give = the Idaho DOT rep a piece of my mind and he just gives me the runaround = and says there is another supervisor down the road. There wasn't and he = knew it. What a prick. To be honest due to this, I won't be back to = Idaho. This is not reasonable. This is supposed to be an improved = highway, not a damn gravel trap on top of slick tar. If I take a gravel = road, I do it on purpose. Since Idaho does not respect our rights as = motorists, then I suggest that they don't deserve our (motorcyclist's) = money. Boycott Idaho!!! Anyway, found Carl's Honda shop (I think) in Boise and got another brake = lever to replace the bent one and the plastic will have to wait. = Nothing broken but scratched what was a perfectly pristine bike. Miles 485 and nice day until the last incident. Day 8 Boise ID to Little America WY via Jackson and Crater's of the moon) Still wanted to see Crater's of the Moon so took highway 20/93 running = across the northern edge of the Snake River Valley. Kinda pretty in a = Utah type of way. Started early so no real traffic. Craters of the = Moon is a mighty bizzare place. Very strange. Rode this incredibly = boring stretch back across the valley into Idaho Falls and Swan Valley = (see day 2). At Swan Valley, took a little lunch and decided that I = could catch two passes for only about 30 extra miles up through Jackson = and then come back to the road. Worth doing, especially since I've done = more than 300 miles by lunch (12:15). Definitely worth doing, first one = had little traffic (except some squids who were easily handled) and the = second one (Teton Pass) has some amazing views. Get this, it drops at a = 10% grade for 5 and 1/2 miles. Wow. Jackson is a pit though. Turning = into an Aspen. What a waste of a beautiful area. Glad I skipped = yellowstone with all the traffic. Anyway, zipped down from there, = raining off and on (spitting really) and then got behind this truck who = decided speed limits were not his thing. Good enough for me as the = clouds were getting mighty dark. Thinking I'll get gas in Cokeville, = nah, this guys going good, I can make Sage easily and in about 20 = minutes. Opps, mistake, Sage doesn't even have a house, its only a = railroad switching yard. Crap, running low on gas, wind blowing hard, = running hard and no clue where I'm going to get gas. Rolled into = Diamondville with the fuel light on bright. Opps. Figure I'll make = Green River and then I can just go down Flaming Gorge tomorrow. = However, the wind is picking up and by the time I get to the freeway, = its blowing too hard and its going to require lots of work and well, = honestly, I'm exhausted. I know I don't have it in me to stay that = alert for the next twenty miles. Oh, there is that little America. = Good enough for me. Man, I'm beat. I've been running hard for 3 days = now and today was a new personal record for this bike. Thank god I'm = going home tomorrow. Miles-585 !!! yes, on the 8th day I did almost 600 miles. No wonder = I'm beat. Some scenery, some neat things, but really, just lots of = miles. Day 9 Little America to Denver Colorado (home) Run down what looks like a great road on the map (Wyoming 530) but it = really isn't. It looks like it runs along the reservoir but it really = runs along the high plateau. Shoot. Run along Flaming gorge Reservoir = (beautiful again) and drop down into Vernal. Well, if I run along 40 = into Steamboat Springs I'll save a ton of distance and be able to get = some passes from Steamboat on in. Oh, bad plan. US 40 between Vernal and Craig should be banned for = boredom. Oh my god. I had to stop every 20 miles to keep from falling = asleep it was so boring. Never, ever go down this road. Yuck. Go into Steamboat Springs, thinking, oh boy, now some passes. But no, = it starts pouring rain. Going decently slow (45-55) up and over the = pass, don't want to wipe out now. Stops raining as soon as I drop into = middle Park (high plains) of course. :( Go up hwy 9 towards the = freeway, because now I'm totally exhausted and I know it. I've already = done 350 and its only about 100 more towards home. If it hadn't of been = home, I would have stopped right there. Honestly, I went past my limits = here. I was beat and not able to give the job the full concentration. 4 = consecutive days of 500 miles will do that to you. All I wanted to do = was get home. The clouds looked dark and getting worse and I was going = home. =20 Have to go over 3 miles of clay muddy wet road being worked on. Not = fun, but not really that big of deal after that crap in Idaho. Starts pouring as I go over Eisenhower tunnel. Pouring on both sides, = not fun but then it stops at Georgetown. Ok, I get 10 miles of break = and then it starts to pour. Hard. And then hail. And then traffic = starts to slow down. Why I have no idea, you don't stop in the middle = of a hail storm, you keep going and you drive out of it. There is = nowhere to stop and no underpasses. Sorry, I'm outta here, I'm = splitting lanes and driving down the shoulder, I'm not going to get = killed in this crap. Well, the hail gets bigger and bigger and traffic = flat stops to wait it out. Well, I can't do that on the bike, I'll get = killed. I keep going. Now with the inch of hail on the ground and = occasionally golf ball sized ones (wham, wham -my hand is still = bruised). I'm really not happy. And these morons STOP in the middle of = the freeway. Dummies. After about 2 miles I drive out of it and its = just rain. (BTW, motorcycles will hydroplane in an inch or so of water = at 65 to 70mph, opps, slowed down) after about another two miles it = turns completely dry. I'm home, beat wet and broken but home. It hailed so hard, that after I got off the bike at home, I realized = that the front fender had been broken (clean off) by a big hail strike. = Never had that happen, and don't wish it to happen again. Miles 450 today and lots of nasty bad weather. Overall. Great trip. Lots and lots of miles. Lots of neat places I = had never seen and places I want to go back (Glacier, and Canada). The = bike sure took a beating though. Pieces missing from hail, scratches = from Idaho (first tipover for me-dammit!!) Brian D. Hopkins Bdhopkins@pcisys.net '96 VFR '97 PC 800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:17:45 EDT To: casuto@hotmail.com, owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: top speed If my math. is correct, red line top speed for the PC is 102.27 mph. Bernie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. via smtpd (for mailrelay.data-io.com [139.138.100.89]) with SMTP; 4 Aug 1998 06:11:41 UT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Cotes, Steven" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: top speed Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:12:09 -0800 Well, I suppose it depends on the elevation you're willing to drop it from. ;-) I believe red-line, top gear is about 105. - steve cotes > ---------- > From: Scott Casuto[SMTP:casuto@hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, August 03, 1998 7:38 PM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: top speed > > what seems to be the general consensus of this group on this bikes top > > speed. i've heard rumors from 105 all the way up to 117. > > whats the real skinny here? > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "Pacificatio Litus octingentesimus" Subject: Re: PC800: Picture Of Vista Cruise? Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:41:17 +0200 > Van: The Broeking's > Datum: dinsdag 4 augustus 1998 4:08 > > I have seen pictures of the BMW wrist lock and the Throttlemister (looks > very nice); was wondering if there is a picture of the Vista Cruise > installed anywhere on our PC web pages? Bob > Hi Bob, check this out : http://www.micapeak.com/TL1000S/faq/p2.html It's not on a PC800, but apparently they have similar troubles getting it installed on a TL1000S (as do Concours owners). Havn't found a pic on a PC yet. BTW, wanna know what your last name means ? Emile Nossin '90 PC800 " The Flying Dutchman " Santpoort, Holland, Europe Emile@Cybercomm.nl Never look back upon your life and say : " I should have done that.." -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by newman.netacc.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 1998 06:49:02 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Karen and Tom" To: "HondaPacificCoastOwners" Subject: PC800: Re:PC800 to be.. Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:48:17 -0400 Francois That dealer was Sovies. Has a reputation for being good to deal with. I bought my PC from him site unseen. A friend of mine was up there the other day looking at 1999 Gold Wings and they were $800 less that the local dealer.Kind of a long ways to get there for us, about 200 miles one way. If you can catch John in the right mood ask to see their old facility.They are one of the oldest Honda dealers around. He has quite a collection of "stuff" Tom Boynton 89PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: top speed Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:55:45 +0200 > I believe red-line, top gear is about 105. > >If my math. is correct, red line top speed for the PC is 102.27 mph. > A dutch mag. (ProMotor) measured top speed around 185 km/h (116 mph), but who cares.... Emile Nossin '90 PC800 " The Flying Dutchman " Santpoort, Holland, Europe Emile@Cybercomm.nl Never look back upon your life and say : " I should have done that.." -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Half Helmets (Looong reply) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:16:23 +0200 > Van: Doylefish@aol.com > Datum: dinsdag 4 augustus 1998 5:53 > > half helmet and come out just great. Most motorcycle cops wear 1/2 helmets in > this area. > Hi Doyle. You wear whatever helmet you want to wear, it's your face / head / life. Don't wear them because U.S. cops wear them (in Holland they wear full face BMW system helmets), they wear them for different reasons than you. When they want to chase someone on foot, for example, they want good visibilty on their target without having to take their helmets off first. > ear flaps. I have been in two could have been nasty accidents always with a > half helmet and come out just great. > You were lucky. The two victims in the next story weren't. It's just for your info. If you still want to wear a half helmet after this horrific story, it's fine by me, I really don't care. We'll still be friends okay ? : )) Emile (forwarded from ST1100 list..., don't ask.) > Fello listers, Here's something to ponder. We on this list pay much attention to our safe riding, including an almost anal attention to proper clothing. If you, like me, have friends who think your gear is overkill, let them read this. Howard ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: INTERNET:safety@magpie.com, INTERNET:safety@magpie.com TO: (unknown), INTERNET:safety-digest@magpie.com DATE: 7/25/98 6:34 AM RE: Motorcycle Safety Digest V1998 #129 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 25 Jul 1998 04:30:03 -0400 From: safety-digest-owner@magpie.com (Motorcycle Safety Digest) To: safety-digest@magpie.com Subject: Motorcycle Safety Digest V1998 #129 Motorcycle Safety Digest Saturday, July 25 1998 Volume 1998 : Number 129 T H E M O T O R C Y C L E S A F E T Y D I G E S T To UNSUBSCRIBE from The Safety Digest, see the end of this digest In this issue: Helmets and Lives ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:43:40 +0200 From: "John M. Kowalski" Subject: Helmets and Lives Greetings from Zagreb (Croatia)! CAUTION -- CONTAINS GRAPHIC CONTENT I subscribed to this list nearly two years ago and have been lurking ever since as I continued to read with interest your safety related posts. I have used this list to bolster the finer points of motorcycle safety that I have gleaned from the MSF book and other riding literature on the market -- i.e., Keith Code's books and other instructional materials. My wife and I already purchased our helmets (Shoei RF800), upper leathers and gloves in anticipation of our purchasing our first bike (early '50s BMW R50) sometime this year. Since I have not yet located a rider safety course here in Croatia, do not yet own a bike nor ridden more times than I can count on one hand, I felt that I had nothing to offer that the rest of you do not already know. I thought that until this afternoon. We were riding out to the Zagreb airport to meet some newly arriving employees (to the US Embassy where I work). Half way there, at an intersection and entry ramp just before an overpass, we noticed a traffic jam beginning to form. As we inched our way closer to the sight, I could make out a motorcycle and what appeared from that distance to be a heap of clothing -- all this lying in the middle of the intersection. As we got closer, I noticed more broken pieces of plastic and metal lying around including the twisted remains of the fork and bent front tire that had torn off the motorcycle from the impact. At that distance, I could make out that the bike was a larger cafe style bike with the twisted remains of the fork still attached to the bike. Also lying near these items were two heaps of clothing -- one male and one female. The male was wearing a t-shirt and jeans with deck shoes and the female was wearing jeans and what looked like a tank top. One of her shoes had been thrown from her and laid about 4 meters away. He was lying face down and she on her left side with her legs contorted in various abnormal directions. A crowd was gathering on the sidewalk and one man seemed to be walking among this wreckage and bending over and reaching out/touching each person. He walked to a vehicle and took a piece of plastic with which he tried to cover the female's body. We were about 12 meters away by this time (still no police or ambulance) and since this wreckage was strewn across both lanes going our direction, the cars going in our direction had to use the intersection to go around the site. Our driver followed suit. As we neared the wreckage, I noticed that the male's head was in an unnatural shape and laid on the asphalt in a fashion similar to a half deflated basketball. Since he was lying on his stomach and his right ear faced me, it was obvious that he was face down to the asphalt. However, half of his face also faced me -- it had been rubbed off from being dragged on the asphalt. Even though he was face down, his ear was close to the pavement as was his neck. Except for the piece of face pointing in my direction, the rest seemed to have been gone completely. There was surprisingly little blood, but there was what appeared to be four walnut-sized clumps of whitish-pink brain matter not far from where he was lying. His? The female's? Even though her head appeared to be intact, it too had an unnatural "deflated" shape. It was nice today -- about 92' F, sunny and breezy with no clouds in the sky. It was 2PM this Friday afternoon when we drove by to the airport. We met the new arrivals and had to head back the same road (the only road). Even though my wife and I (and the driver) were shaken by the sight of the aftermath of that accident, we didn't want to mention to the new arrivals since they had a long flight and were nervous as they arrived to the country where they will be living for the next three years. Funny thing, though.... As we approached the other side of the overpass where we still could not see the accident, the wife of the new employee suddenly remarked how she does not want to drive at all in Croatia due to the crazy way that they drive here. We then came over the overpass where her eyes fell on the wreckage and the bodies that had not yet been moved even though the police and ambulance arrived and an hour had passed since we first saw that carnage. Since today was such a beautiful day and because it was a Friday during vacation season, I did not contemplate whether it was a good day to die or a good one to live. I wondered if those thoughts crossed the minds of the poor souls whose contorted and faceless bodies laid in that intersection under the hot sun. I wondered if they were riding that "carefree, summery Friday afternoon" high as the warm wind rippled through their hair. I wondered if they reached over their helmets to grab the bike keys. I wondered what their families were going to think. Maybe it was a good day to die after all. John M. Kowalski Zagreb, Croatia ------------------------------ End of Motorcycle Safety Digest V1998 #129 ****************************************** Message posting address : safety@magpie.com Administrative address : majordomo@magpie.com To UNSUBSCRIBE from The Safety Digest, send mail to majordomo@magpie.com with the following in the message body: unsubscribe safety-digest 'address' The 'address' component is optional and only necessary if you're sending the request from an address other than the one being unsubscribed. Mail sent to the wrong address will be ignored. Likewise, to subscribe or to get help, send mail to majordomo@magpie.com with one or more of the following in the message body, as applicable: subscribe safety-digest help info safety-digest The contents of _The Safety Digest_ are solely the opinions and comments of the individual authors, and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of digest management. The editors do not assume responsibility for copyright infringement of submitted material. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:55:58 -0400 To: "HondaPacificCoastOwners" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Re:PC800 to be.. At 6:48 AM -0400 8/4/98, Karen and Tom wrote: >Francois That dealer was Sovies. Has a reputation for being good to deal >with. I bought my PC from him site unseen. A friend of mine was up there the >other day looking at 1999 Gold Wings and they were $800 less that the local >dealer.Kind of a long ways to get there for us, about 200 miles one way. If >you can catch John in the right mood ask to see their old facility.They are >one of the oldest Honda dealers around. He has quite a collection of "stuff" > >Tom Boynton >89PC800 > I had heard that the owner was a good guy to deal with, and that the dealership itself was nicely set up with accessories and clothing, so a friend and I decided to go to Potsdam for lunch that day and check it out. After leaving there, neither one of us had a good feeling about that dealership. We didn't get a chance to speak to John, as he was out, and the 4 guys who were there didn't seem like they really worked there. I wanted to order a PC800 microfiche, which retails for about $10. I offered to leave him $20 to cover the cost of the fiche and a few stamps to mail it to me, but I was told "No...he won't do that..he doesn't mail stuff to Canada" I said fine....can they call me when it's in? "No...he doesn't call if it's farther than Potsdam" I can understand that as well, long distance charges and all, so I gave him my toll-free 800 number that I have in my home....."No...he doesn't call when parts are in." Hmmmm...not doing to well so far....Then I see these really nice motorcycle tool kits in red canvas pouches, on display in the store. I ask one of the other guys if I can open the door to see one of these. "No....he doesn't let us open those displays. I think they are locked." (They weren't ) Tha part that gave me the 'willies' is that all the employees there kept saying "He doesn't..." "He won't ..." , "He's not going to..." What's with the "He" routine? It's as if none of these employees identifed with the store as proud employees....Why are they saying "He", instead of "I" or "We"? It's really too bad.....I was looking for quite a few things, from a tail trunk to a tool kit, and I was in the mood to buy stuff. Had they been in the mood to sell stuff, I could have easily spent a couple of hundred bucks there. But it was like pulling teeth to get service. So....any list members in New York, Vermont, or New Hampshire have a really good dealer near them? I might take a road trip some day. ride safe... fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 09:24:53 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: Brian Hopkins CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Montana trip report days 5 through 9 part 2 of 2 (long) Brian, What a great trip (except for Idaho). Sorry to hear about your accident. Could have been worse. Could have been you that was bent and broke. I really do not know where these morons crawl out of to put the kind of crap they do on our roads. They do the same thing here in Michigan, but on the side roads with a spray of oil and then rock the road. Luckily they have not pulled this little trick on the main roads yet. It is a cheap fix, and that is all that matters these days. Good luck and rest up. You had quite the adventure. TommyTeal -- 93SE (Teal, You Think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast (on the way) 98V-Star (Red, you bet) GWTA #6871 GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: abowen@home.com by ha1.rdc1.pa.home.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:02:03 -0700 To: "HondaPacificCoastOwners" Subject: PC800: Baker Air Wings Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:59:57 -0400 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.8 Unregistered Sorry for the "me too" post, but does anybody have a URL for Baker or a picture of a PC with them installed? Alan '97 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Hilsinger George To: "'PC800'" , "'bdhopkins@pcisys.net'" Subject: PC800: Montana trip report Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:52:35 -0700 Brian, Thanks for the great trip report. I'm truly sorry that your experience was marred by the tipover incident in Idaho. Seal coats (chip seals, fog seals, slurry seals, etc.) are a fact of life on highways all over the country, not just Idaho. As you noted, a shot of liquid asphalt is placed on the road and then covered with gravel (chips). This surface is rolled and then traffic is allowed to drive on the chips. Then, the excess chips are removed by mechanical sweepers. We try to sweep the loose rock up within 24 hours of placement. Other jurisdictions may leave it for as much as a week. This process is much cheaper than an asphalt cement overlay and is widely used on low volume roads, but it has the drawback of leaving loose gravel on the road for a period of time. Broken windshields can be a problem as can vehicles losing control in the loose gravel. Most agencies use advisory speed signing to try to reduce the amount of both occurences. The Idaho Transportation Department has a web page at http://www2.state.id.us/itd/itdhmpg.htm. You might investigate whether they have a claims process, and they may have an ombudsman or similar person that you can address complaints to. I'm sorry you had a bad experience, but all of the ITD Engineers that I have met and worked with have been professionals who are strongly committed to providing Idaho with the safest and best highways they can within available funds. I would like some of our veteran members to suggest how we might avoid an accident in the future if we encounter a similar situation so that we can all learn from your experience. George Hilsinger Project Development Engineer WSDOT South Central Region HilsinG@wsdot.wa.gov 509-457-7104 Voice 509-575-2561 FAX http://www.wsdot.wa.gov 97 PC800 81 CM400 Yakima, WA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:08:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Garbacik To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Fuel Leak? - Chapter 3 Oh ye of great wisdom and knowledge: You may recall I posted a query about a fuel leak. Couldn't track it down, and couldn't duplicate the leak. Had front end plastic off three times. New information has surfaced. The leak drips off the lower radiator shroud, just behind the front wheel. It only leaks when on the side stand. It only leaks when the oustide air temperature is above 90 degrees F. It only leaks after: 5 miles of city riding, 5 miles of highway riding, stopping for the mail, and a half mile S L O W ride up the steep gravel road to the house, when parked on the side stand in the driveway. Last night I got home just before my wife did. It was dripping. Like three drops. Asked Carol to sniff the drops and tell me what it smelled like (Well, it IS allergy season and everything smells like sno*. "You want me to get on my hands and knees and sniff WHAT? You will be making dinner tonight, doing the dishes, cleaning the cat box . . .). Anyway - does not appear to be fuel (smells like hot motorcycle according to Carol). Well I DID say it is allergy season. Off with the plastic again. No sign of a leak, or tracks in the dust where a liquid might have run down the plastic. No leaks from clutch or brake lines that I could see. No leak from fork seals. Coolant level seems fine. Ideas or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Tom '89 Moonbeam Corvallis, OR -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 04 Aug 1998 09:37:40 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 09:37:13 -0600 From: David Clark To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: RE: PC800: top speed My wifes PC was clocked at 113 while running with a bunch of goldwings. Turbulance caused it to move around quite a bit. David Clark Logan, UT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ingwwdf.sap-ag.de (out) with SMTP id SAA12727 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:21:40 +0200 (MESZ) for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:20:56 +0200 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:13:13 +0200 (METDST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: neville.simmons@sap-ag.de (Neville Simmons) Subject: PC800: Heating for winter X-Sap-Gateway-Version: 3.1I6 Hi I seem to remember seeing some pictures of a set of sliding vents that sat in front of your legs and channeled air from the engine through the fairing. I think they were from somewhere in Europe and had originally been made for an ST1100 - they were not from an auto dash. Can anyone help? Neville -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:29:58 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Betty Lise Anderson Subject: PC800: speaking of heat from engines... I've noticed my shins get very hot on the PC (which I've had for two whole weeks now!). It feels like they are getting blasted by engine heat. Is that coming around the fairing? Do other people notice this or am I a sissy? Note that I have not owned any other motorcycle before so maybe they all do this. I had the impression that those "wings" you can add can be used to cool you or heat you; but recent posts have made me not so sure- maybe they're jsut for heating. Can someone please clarify? Thanks! Betty Lise Anderson '90, 4000 miles (400 of my very own) Columbus Ohio -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:33:01 -0700 (PDT) From: John La Subject: PC800: vista cruise pictures To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I've posted pictures of the vista cruise installation on mp PC800 page. Here is the URL: http://hhd.csun.edu/john/pc800.htm John _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John Scalisi" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: top speed Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 09:59:55 PDT I believe I remember reading that the PC800 reaches a speed of about 105 mph at the point on the power curve where the horsepower peaks out, somewhere in the 6500-6600 rpm range. As horsepower falls off up to redline it inches it's way up to about 115 mph at redline. Again, I'm recalling this from memory of something I read. May not be accurate. I believe the Specifications page on PC800 homepage states something about the top speed being 105 mph and theoretical speed at redline being 115 mph. Check it out! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@kpt1.tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:04:14 -0400 (EDT) From: James R Randall To: Scott Casuto cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: top speed about 105 indicated - probably more like 95 - 100 in reality. The motor can't breath at higher speeds - it's tuned for torque and tractability not top speed. If you 'gets your kicks' from triple digit speeds, the PC is not the right choice. On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Scott Casuto wrote: > what seems to be the general consensus of this group on this bikes top > speed. i've heard rumors from 105 all the way up to 117. > > whats the real skinny here? > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 14:24:52 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Montana trip report Hilsinger George wrote: > > Brian, > > Thanks for the great trip report. I'm truly sorry that your experience > was marred by the tipover incident in Idaho. > > Seal coats (chip seals, fog seals, slurry seals, etc.) are a fact of > life on highways all over the country, not just Idaho. As you noted, a > shot of liquid asphalt is placed on the road and then covered with > gravel (chips). This surface is rolled and then traffic is allowed to > drive on the chips. Then, the excess chips are removed by mechanical > sweepers. We try to sweep the loose rock up within 24 hours of > placement. Other jurisdictions may leave it for as much as a week. Lets try never. Here in Michigan, the county road commissions are looking to do the most with the least, thus instead of some good roads, we get lots of crappy roads. Here, they never sweep the excess off, just wait for winter, and let the snow plows shoot it into your yards (vehicles, people, animals, flower beds, etc). They could care less. But any that have traveled Michigan's terrible roads would know that. The best we can do is try and avoid these roads. When not possible, slow down to 15 to 20 mph until you can get to a side road. To hell with the people backed up behind you. If they were not such tightwads, we would actually have some tax money to fix the roads right (damn, Ohio has nice roads), so let them sit there and think about it. Face it, there is no good way to handle a bike on these stupid roads. Some people are going to go by you at high rates, flinging rocks everywhere. Just get off or turn around. Slow down, make sure people behind you recognize that, and get off as soon as possible (be a little late, better that than dropping the bike or getting it chipped to death). Soapbox mode off TommyTeal -- 93SE (Teal, You Think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast (on the way) 98V-Star (Red, you bet) GWTA #6871 GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 11:33:48 -0700 From: Phil Lewis To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Half Helmets, Etc. I'd just wanted to add to our little discussion! Riding a motorcycle, like so many other activities, comes with some inherent risks. To us "older" and maybe more experienced riders, we should all know and understand this. To riders who are new, I'd like to throw out just a few thoughts. What we wear, such as full face helmets and special riding clothes can, and do, frequently help the rider who is unfortunate enough to be involved in some mishap. But I can't stress enough, the importance of freedom of choice and of being able to make an intelligent decision. A big truck, is probably safer for the occupant, than a car. A car is almost certainly safer for the occupant, than a motorcycle. A full face helmet has to be considered to be able to provide more protection than an open face helmet and certainly is better, in protection, than a half helmet. But............we, as intelligent individuals, should be allowed to make the choice. I believe, we should be able to ride with no helmet, if we decide to accept the risk. The most important part of this message is knowledge and risk. We must know the consequences of our actions. I wear an open face helmet, well aware it affords me less protection than a full face helmet. I do this because I like the feel and visibility. I have worn full face helmets and after a period of time, I have made this decision. Some riders prefer a half helmet. In some states, no helmet is required by law, and some riders prefer this. Individual choice is our right, and "knowledge" is the key. Take care and safe riding wishes, Phil -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bednarski, Bruce R (CAP, RFS)" To: "'pilewis1@concentric.net'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Half Helmets, Etc. Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:50:33 -0400 Well said Phil, but let me add a taste of some very recent experience. This past Sunday, I had the unfortunate experience of my first motorcycle accident in my 12 years of riding on the street. Without going into too much detail, I lost the rear end on a twisty mountain highway. As I slowly lifted myself from my final resting spot I removed my helmet to examine the damage my body suffered. Lots of road rash on my left side and a very sore neck and shoulder. I looked at my helmet and the whole left side was scraped up. Had I not been wearing a full face helmet, I would have left the majority of my face back there on Highway 9. Being a somewhat vain man, I couldn't have been more happy with my choice to wear the full face. The feeling of wind in my face is a VERY distant second to keeping this handsome face. The wind in your face lasts a couple hours, an ugly and disfigured face would last a lifetime. Just my 2 cents. Thank You, Bruce Bednarski -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Phil Lewis [SMTP:pilewis1@concentric.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 2:34 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Half Helmets, Etc. I'd just wanted to add to our little discussion! Riding a motorcycle, like so many other activities, comes with some inherent risks. To us "older" and maybe more experienced riders, we should all know and understand this. To riders who are new, I'd like to throw out just a few thoughts. What we wear, such as full face helmets and special riding clothes can, and do, frequently help the rider who is unfortunate enough to be involved in some mishap. But I can't stress enough, the importance of freedom of choice and of being able to make an intelligent decision. A big truck, is probably safer for the occupant, than a car. A car is almost certainly safer for the occupant, than a motorcycle. A full face helmet has to be considered to be able to provide more protection than an open face helmet and certainly is better, in protection, than a half helmet. But............we, as intelligent individuals, should be allowed to make the choice. I believe, we should be able to ride with no helmet, if we decide to accept the risk. The most important part of this message is knowledge and risk. We must know the consequences of our actions. I wear an open face helmet, well aware it affords me less protection than a full face helmet. I do this because I like the feel and visibility. I have worn full face helmets and after a period of time, I have made this decision. Some riders prefer a half helmet. In some states, no helmet is required by law, and some riders prefer this. Individual choice is our right, and "knowledge" is the key. Take care and safe riding wishes, Phil -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2811) 4 Aug 1998 14:11:02 -0500 (CDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 11:47:19 -0700 From: Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org (Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council) Subject: Re: PC800: can someone get me some more power? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu On Tue, Aug 4, 1998, 3:40:06 AM GMT Scott Casuto wrote: >i'm looking for a way to give my pc a little more testosterone. i've >been told that its just not going to happen. does anyone out there tend >to differ? Get a K&N air filter and call it good. There's just too much economy in the design to be worth trying to redesign it for performance. That said, someone once told me a story: One day a young motorcyclist bumped into a master racer at the racetrack. Catching his attention the young motorcyclist queried "Master Racer, how can I go fast? Should I get bigger carbs? Or a carbon-fiber pipe? Or a more aggressive cam?" "Ah young rider," said the master, "just get yourself some good tires and do this (twisting his wrist)." The moral of the story is this: going fast is purely a matter of skill (and you can't buy skill) and truth be told, as a street rider I am capable of getting in over my head on a Honda CM450, let alone on a 400-lb. 150 HP rocket. A stock PC is plenty of bike for anyone on the public roadways. If I need to scare myself I'll go bungie-jump or something (cheaper and safer). I'll relinquish the soapbox now... Greg Torok 97 PC800 Bellingham WA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:11:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Garbacik To: Phil Lewis Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Half Helmets, Etc. Phil- I agree with most of what you said, except: On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Phil Lewis wrote: <> > But............we, as intelligent individuals, should be allowed to make the > choice. I believe, we should be able to ride with no helmet, if we decide to > accept the risk. The most important part of this message is knowledge and risk. > We must know the consequences of our actions. Here is where I have the problem. The problem is that the individual is asking society as a whole to accept part of that risk. (ie. long term medical care after the insurance gives out - admittedly a worst case senario). That I do not agree with at all. Tom '89 Moonbeam -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 15:35:30 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: Tom Garbacik CC: Phil Lewis , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Half Helmets, Etc. Tom Garbacik wrote: > > Phil- > > I agree with most of what you said, except: > > On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Phil Lewis wrote: > > <> > > But............we, as intelligent individuals, should be allowed to make the > > choice. I believe, we should be able to ride with no helmet, if we decide to > > accept the risk. The most important part of this message is knowledge and risk. > > We must know the consequences of our actions. > > Here is where I have the problem. > > The problem is that the individual is asking society as a whole to accept > part of that risk. (ie. long term medical care after the insurance gives > out - admittedly a worst case senario). That I do not agree with at all. > > Tom > '89 Moonbeam Tom, I used to have the same opinion and I respect your opinion. In fact I was adamant about it. Why should I have to pay so "you" (you as in helmetless crowd) can be free. Be free if you want but with your own money in jeopardy, not mine. As I have gotten older, I have read more and more on the issue and the one item that really struck me was what I read one day. Most motorcycle deaths and permanent injuries are from head trauma. Made sense. But reading on, most automobile deaths and permanent injuries are from head trauma. Say again. Yep. If true, then all automobile drivers should also be required to wear helmets. Why should I have to pay higher insurance premiums because some people do not wear helmets while driving their cars. How big do you think that would go over. Yeah, me too. If people who do not drive or only ride M/C's must pay through their insurance for these people, how is it more unfair for them to pay for me. I am not arguing here over what helmets are safer or no helmet is safe. I am just bringing up the fairness issue. That said, I live in Michigan where helmets are the law. I have always ridden with one (except twice at Honda Homecoming this year for a very short time, wind really dries the eyes). I will probably ride with one most of the time whether required or not. But I do have an understanding of some of the helmetless crowd's arguments. TommyTeal -- 93SE (Teal, You Think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast (on the way) 98V-Star (Red, you bet) GWTA #6871 GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 04 Aug 1998 16:31:37 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 16:31:16 -0400 From: "J. MARK VENABLE" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: Half Helmets, Etc Tom Garbacik wrote: >Here is where I have the problem. >The problem is that the individual is asking society as a whole to accept >part of that risk. (ie. long term medical care after the insurance gives >out - admittedly a worst case senario). That I do not agree with at all. Tom Ongstad replied: >I used to have the same opinion and I respect your opinion. In fact I >was adamant about it. Why should I have to pay so "you" (you as in >helmetless crowd) can be free. Be free if you want but with your own >money in jeopardy, not mine. This argument about personal responsibility is the seductive argument that is becoming law in some states. Texas has passed a law that lets you ride without a helmet if you buy special insurance. The AMA has written at some length about the dangers in supporting this kind of thinking. First of all there is no evidence that injured motorcycle riders pose any extra burden on society than any other type of motorist. Second of all, enforcement is likely to prove hideous. Will we see roadblocks set up to check motorcyclists "papers" (ala the Spartenburg and Fontana BMW rallies?) I agree fully with the AMA that we must not give up _some_ rights in order to secure others. I wear my Shoie RF-200 full face helmet when I push my bike around the garage (well, almost) I certainly wear it whenever I ride. I think people that ride without proper safety gear are taking too many chances. But I want _them_ to decide. regards Mark Venable '90 "This End Up" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ernie.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA12551 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 1998 13:37:26 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Half Helmets, Etc. Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:38:04 -0700 Phil wrote: >But............we, as intelligent individuals, should be allowed to make the >choice. I believe, we should be able to ride with no helmet, if we decide to >accept the risk. The most important part of this message is knowledge and risk. >We must know the consequences of our actions....I wear an open face helmet, >well aware it affords me less protection than a full face helmet. Tom wrote: >Here is where I have the problem. >The problem is that the individual is asking society as a whole to accept >part of that risk. (i.e.. long term medical care after the insurance gives >out - admittedly a worst case scenario). That I do not agree with at all. Todd responds: I have to say that I adamantly disagree with Phil's choice of helmets. I may not like his favorite flavor of ice cream either. But I just as adamantly agree with his right to make a decision to wear a half face helmet (or no helmet) if he wants to. I am not his mother. Tom's argument is only valid as long as everyone agrees where to draw the line. What if I (as Joe Dictator) said that there will be no more rock climbing, no more skiing, and no more mountain hiking because it is unfair to ask society as a whole to pay for the risks these people take? What if I ban swimming and bicycling for the same reason? Rollerblading? Scuba diving? Hunting? Fishing? Hockey? Football? Driving (you have to take the bus now)? Eating fast food? Smoking? Ice cream? All of these things have risk associated with them. What I am getting at is that the Government is not my mother. It is not their job to protect me from injuring myself "for my own good." (The implication being that I am too stupid to make decisions for myself.) It is not the governments job to "protect the children" either (this is usually a sign of a VERY BAD law). Protecting my children is my job. In fact, Government MANDATED airbags have killed children -- one by decapitation in a grocery store parking lot fender bender. The air bag inflated and literally took a young child's head off, tossing the head out the passenger window. Thanks for protecting *that* child Uncle Sam. I have chosen to wear a full face helmet. Always. I have worn a helmet on my bicycle since 1974 (when it wasn't so easy to find a bicycle helmet). But I believe that you should be given the right to exercise your own discretion concerning what risks you take in life. If you want to ride without a helmet, fine. You may be killed or horribly disfigured. If I want to eat at McDonalds, fine. I may suffer a coronary arterial blockage or die of a heart attack. My mommy stopped making decisions for me some time ago. I do not need a State mommy making my decisions for me now. I realize that many elected officials believe that they are the elite ones, the great ones, the only ones empowered to think and make decisions to protect all the stupid masses. But I disagree. I believe you have the capability to make your own decisions. That capability increases as we get older, and that is why God gave us mommies to help us when we are young. The State is not our mommy. Todd Vierheller R1100RTL, "Rain Dancer" Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Nov 11, 1755, from the Pennsylvania Assembly's reply to the Governor of Pennsylvania.) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 17:00:47 +0000 From: Bill Snead To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: top speed Here I go giving advice that was originally intended for me...use Obi wan= 's voice. If you have to ask what a machines' top speed is, you don't need to know= =2E You'll either have the wherewithall to find out yourself, or it doesn't m= atter. Riding the best ride you can for that day is the best you can achieve...= if you hit the rev limiter in 5th, so be it. If you never get over 35mph...w= as it still the "best" ride? Of course it was. Riding a really "fast" bike may seem like good bragging rites, but that'= s all it is...unless you truly are quick. But then, you'll have found the top end yourself. 2=A2 -- = Peace and All Good, Bill -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DKT9DVMH; Tue, 04 Aug 1998 16:59:00 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: BernieK469@aol.com Cc: casuto@hotmail.com, owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:37:30 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: top speed From: miketwh@juno.com (Mike T Whited) I've had my '94 up to 115 mph. It looked like the tach would be on the redline at 117 or 118, but 115 was all It would do. BTW the pacific coast is very stabile at higher speeds. 100mph felt like 70 mph on some other bikes I've owned. Also...I don't recommend or endorse high speed riding. This was a personal thing. Mike Whited On Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:17:45 EDT BernieK469@aol.com writes: >If my math. is correct, red line top speed for the PC is 102.27 mph. > >Bernie >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DKT9DV8C; Tue, 04 Aug 1998 16:59:01 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: anderson@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:52:39 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: speaking of heat from engines... From: miketwh@juno.com (Mike T Whited) I don't feeel much engine heat unless I push my legs out past the fairing...I swear you could bake a potato with that heat. I the normal riding position everything fine. By any chance, you arn't wearing short are you? If so any bike is hot on the shins. Mike Whited On Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:29:58 -0400 Betty Lise Anderson writes: > >I've noticed my shins get very hot on the PC (which I've had for two >whole >weeks now!). It feels like they are getting blasted by engine heat. Is >that >coming around the fairing? Do other people notice this or am I a >sissy? >Note that I have not owned any other motorcycle before so maybe they >all do >this. > >I had the impression that those "wings" you can add can be used to >cool you >or heat you; but recent posts have made me not so sure- maybe they're >jsut >for heating. Can someone please clarify? > >Thanks! > >Betty Lise Anderson >'90, 4000 miles (400 of my very own) >Columbus Ohio > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com via smtpd (for Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) with SMTP; 4 Aug 1998 21:19:33 UT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:05:50 -0500 Subject: Re: PC800: Half Helmets, Etc. And if you make a choice and get injured because of it DON'T SUE ME. You are the one that made the choice. I went to the AMA Super bike races in Brainerd, MN this past weekend and had a really good time. They have alot of security (State and Local police) there keeping people from being stupid. A few years ago some dough head was boozing it up and had a bunch of the mosquito spray on, the mosquito is our State bird ;-), and decided it would be a good idea to walk through the fire. Yup, lite up like a christmas tree. Sued, won, now we have security up the whazoo. Anyway it's just has fun has before the security increase. It's just that no more bikes are burned. Later Roger -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ernie.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA12891 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 1998 14:20:39 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: top speed Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:21:09 -0700 Motorcycle Consumer News measured the top speed of their test PC at 108 miles per hour with fancy-shmancy radar equipment. Your true speed may vary by a few miles per hour, your indicated speed may vary by an order of magnitude (at least in one direction ;-). The top speed is something I look at in a bike. I DO want to know. And not because I plan on driving at or near the top speed. First, I want to make sure the top speed isn't 35 mph. That is, I do not want to be limited by the top speed of the bike. Second, I want to know where I can expect power to start falling off. If the top speed is only 85, I may not have a very good passing vehicle at highway speeds. This could be a problem since I ride on the highway a lot. Finally, the top speed of a bike tells me how it is designed, and a bit about how the designers envisioned the bike being ridden. A bike that will do speeds exceeding 200 mph (such as the promised Norton) probably has different design philosophy than a bike that will do 108 (like a PC). I have to ask myself which more closely aligns itself with my style of riding. The top speed also gives me a strong clue about the tuning of the powerband of the engine. So yes, top speed is a consideration of any motorcycle. Not because I intend to spend a lot of time driving at the top speed, but because it tells me so much more about the characteristics of the motorcycle in general. Todd Vierheller R1100RTL, "Rain Dancer" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:15:15 EDT To: miketwh@JUNO.COM, owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: casuto@HOTMAIL.COM, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: PC800: top speed Based on the following ratio: 75 (mph) X (mph) --- ---- 5,500(rmp) 7,500(rpm) X= Thus at red line the PC is running 102.27 mph premised on the same ratio the PC would be turning 8,433 rpms at 115 mph. Is my formula faulted? Bernie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. X-UID: 0007e748 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 17:27:50 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: vista cruise pictures To: johnla@yahoo.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: tdavies@sfcs.k12.ny.us (Mr.Tim Davies) johnla@yahoo.com,Internet writes: >I've posted pictures of the vista cruise installation on mp PC800 >page. >Here is the URL: > >http://hhd.csun.edu/john/pc800.htm > >John Thanks for the picture John, now I know what a Vista Cruise is. I had one on my 400cc Yamaha back in 1973 when I took a 7,500 mile cross country trip (I meandered a bit) and it was great. I liked it much better than the Throttle Rocker ($6.95) speed control I picked up at the Honda Homecoming a couple of weeks ago. When you are not using the Vista is is out of the way, but the Throttle Rocker is always in the way when you are in stop and go traffic. I'm sure I would be much more please with it on my Pacific Coast with an engine twice the size. I still would really like a electronic cruise control and am looking into it carefully. Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Chuck Chiodini" To: miketwh@JUNO.COM, owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu, BernieK469@aol.com Cc: casuto@hotmail.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: PC800: top speed Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 14:45:00 PDT Fellow listers: I'm sorry to take up bandwidth with this thread that has been extensively discussed in the archives. I just don't understand what the hubbub is all about. Every machine will top out at different speeds due to factors like height of windshield, rider's weight and state of engine tune. Instead of yacking about it, go out and DO IT! Then you'll know for sure what the top speed YOUR bike will do (if it's all that important for ya to know). Sorry, I'm in a feisty mood today... Chuck Chiodini 89 PC800 "Scooter" (that can "Scoot" along at 108 indicated speed on a semi-deserted sea-level airfield, 78 degrees/48% humidity/ half tank of fuel/ 27" Rifle shield/ 155 lb. rider/ empty trunk/ freshly tuned) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. env-from (bdhopkins@pcisys.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Brian Hopkins To: "PC 800 List (E-mail)" Subject: PC800: lessons learned from Montana trip Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:06:20 -0700 1. Throttlemeisters are awesome. Saves your wrist. You can keep it = locked down for hours and just tweak it every once in a while as you go = up or down hills. So even though your hands are on the bar, your wrist = isn't under tension all the time. 2. Hail sucks. 3. Idaho Dept of Transportation sucks 4. Glacier National Park is awesome 5. I really want to head up the Montana division of my company. I like = Montana. 6. First Gear Solo Expedition one piece suit is pretty decent but will = leak through after about an hour of hard hard rain. 7. When it's hot, wear shorts under said suit. Much better. 8. Hail sucks 9. Daytona boots from Helimot are pretty great. Basically unworn until = this trip and never got a blister or anything after wearing them for = basically 9 days straight. 10. STOP when you are tired. I didn't and almost got in big trouble. = It didn't matter that I was almost home, I was beat, and knew it and = should have stopped. It was a dumb thing to do and I got lucky this = time. 11. Next time I 'plan' a trip, I'm going to plan in a rest day (100 = miles, touristy things, whatever) in the middle. It would make a big = difference. =20 12. VFR's are just not good 500 miles bikes for day after day. =20 13. Montana is ST1100 country. The bike was made for Montana. Big fast = sweepers everywhere. 14. RKA luggage is great. 15. Hail sucks. 16. Motorcycle trips are a lot of fun. 17. Be prepared mentally and physically to do lots of miles. I was, but = my partner really wasn't and he was toast after only 3 days. I don't = know how you prepare for long miles, but I think a lot of it is mental. 18. Gas really isn't all that expensive in Canada. I paid anywhere from = 50 to 65 cents a liter. So that's about 2 dollars a gallon in Canadian = dollars which is about 1.50 American. But I paid 1.44 and 1.49 a couple = times in Idaho and Montana. And Canada has much higher gas taxes. I'm going again next year. Make your plans now. :) Brian D. Hopkins Bdhopkins@pcisys.net '96 VFR '97 PC 800 HSTA #8274 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:00:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Miller Subject: Re: PC800: lessons learned from Montana trip To: PC 800 List Brian: Did you ride your VFR on this trip? I was assuming that it was your PC800. Tony > 12. VFR's are just not good 500 miles bikes for day after day. == My homepage URL is http://members.tripod.com/~tlmiller/ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DKUR7KJU; Tue, 04 Aug 1998 21:52:39 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:57:12 -0700 Subject: PC800: General Information From: jdc84@juno.com (Joyce D Calvert) Name: Joyce Calvert Location: Sonoma County, California Email: jdc84@juno.com PC Model: 800, 1996, Red Bought New, May 1996 Modifications: Only a backrest -- so far Owned a 1989, White PC800 for four years from 1991 to 1995 (couldn't go very long without another one) _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. env-from (bdhopkins@pcisys.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Brian Hopkins To: PC 800 List Subject: RE: PC800: lessons learned from Montana trip Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:03:33 -0700 Ok, he caught me. I did. But I figured this group would get a lot more out of the post than the = non-distance people over on the VFR list. It isn't what you ride, but that you ride. Right??? :) (the little story about how you think you are hot stuff on your spiffy = new sportbike until the old man on the gold wing takes you to school. = :) ) Besides, it is the last ride of the VFR. It doesn't fit the distance = riding I want to do. It will be gone this winter. (after I fix it all = up from Idaho) Maybe a big ST or a BMW or........ But the PC stays. Back and forth to work every day. Brian D. Hopkins Bdhopkins@pcisys.net '96 VFR '97 PC 800 HSTA #8274 Did you ride your VFR on this trip? I was assuming that it was your PC800. Tony > 12. VFR's are just not good 500 miles bikes for day after day. =20 =3D=3D My homepage URL is http://members.tripod.com/~tlmiller/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 22:32:41 +0000 From: Bill Snead To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: Half Helmets, Etc. I've had a bit of a tiny thought, Re: The argument for one paying for the consequences of one's own risky behavior (whatever *that* unidentifyable thing is) without burdening society... Hasn't the cushion of the "many" over the years actually helped lessen the impact of our collective behaviors on society? Our ability to attempt to expand our horizons *NOT* at each others expense, but with the idea of common support (One Nation...Indivisible) has led to some amazing discoveries, personal and for the comon good. The trust I have in maybe being "rescued" if my climb fails, vehicle crashes, bones break etc, makes it possible for me to reach beyond where I am now. This can only be good for the species. If we all fail alone, thru our faults or accident, with no support ...then our knowledge, spirit and ambition may fail as well. We may find soon that we are risking much if we risk a little. Freedom and "safety" seldom go hand in hand. This is what lured me to Motorcycling as an endeavor. I'm able to manage *my* risk with *my* skills and thru that continually see improvement...In my piloting AND in myself. How much of that could I lose if someone else were to manage my risk for me? In Bill Shakespeare's words (kinda)...If I doth offend, please forgive. -- Peace and All Good, Bill -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 22:23:58 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: Stock shield cut down to about 12"s! I measured my cut off today and I cut 8"s off the stock '95 shield. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 46 Liter GIVI Bag, Rifle Shield, and too many other options to list. (My Wife might see!) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vartan Kazarov" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: lessons learned from Montana trip Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 21:13:52 PDT What are your feelings about hail? Vartan -- Vartan Kazarov 98PC800 "Red October" >From: Brian Hopkins >To: "PC 800 List (E-mail)" >Subject: PC800: lessons learned from Montana trip >Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:06:20 -0700 > >1. Throttlemeisters are awesome. Saves your wrist. You can keep it = >locked down for hours and just tweak it every once in a while as you go = >up or down hills. So even though your hands are on the bar, your wrist = >isn't under tension all the time. >2. Hail sucks. >3. Idaho Dept of Transportation sucks >4. Glacier National Park is awesome >5. I really want to head up the Montana division of my company. I like = >Montana. >6. First Gear Solo Expedition one piece suit is pretty decent but will = >leak through after about an hour of hard hard rain. >7. When it's hot, wear shorts under said suit. Much better. >8. Hail sucks >9. Daytona boots from Helimot are pretty great. Basically unworn until = >this trip and never got a blister or anything after wearing them for = >basically 9 days straight. >10. STOP when you are tired. I didn't and almost got in big trouble. = >It didn't matter that I was almost home, I was beat, and knew it and = >should have stopped. It was a dumb thing to do and I got lucky this = >time. >11. Next time I 'plan' a trip, I'm going to plan in a rest day (100 = >miles, touristy things, whatever) in the middle. It would make a big = >difference. =20 >12. VFR's are just not good 500 miles bikes for day after day. =20 >13. Montana is ST1100 country. The bike was made for Montana. Big fast = >sweepers everywhere. >14. RKA luggage is great. >15. Hail sucks. >16. Motorcycle trips are a lot of fun. >17. Be prepared mentally and physically to do lots of miles. I was, but = >my partner really wasn't and he was toast after only 3 days. I don't = >know how you prepare for long miles, but I think a lot of it is mental. >18. Gas really isn't all that expensive in Canada. I paid anywhere from = >50 to 65 cents a liter. So that's about 2 dollars a gallon in Canadian = >dollars which is about 1.50 American. But I paid 1.44 and 1.49 a couple = >times in Idaho and Montana. And Canada has much higher gas taxes. > >I'm going again next year. Make your plans now. :) > > >Brian D. Hopkins >Bdhopkins@pcisys.net >'96 VFR >'97 PC 800 >HSTA #8274 > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 06:41:50 -0400 From: Bill McKenna To: Glen Green CC: "David T. Buzynski" , Cosimo Cariolo , Hank Ellenbast , Paul Essenfeld , Honda Sport Touring Association , Jeff Knights , "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" , Roger Prince , Dick Seng , Mike Vaillincourt , WingNut Subject: PC800: RFK volunteering In just 11 days (8/16) we will conduct the *First* Ride for Kids in New England, to raise money for the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation. They use better than 85% of these funds directly in Research Grants and are the sole supporter of the Central Brain Tumor Registry... At this point we are completing our volunteer list, and could use more help... Please visit the page below, follow the links, contact us with any questions... if you or someone you know can give us a hand, for a good cause, get in touch with Mike Vaillincourt~~ mailto:Mvonmywing@aol.com ~~ Our volunteer coordinator, soon? Please and Thank YOU!!! Regards from all of us @ RFK, Bill McKenna Ride Task Force P.S. Pray that we have weather similar to what we've been having? Our riders will love it!! We're expecting a research physician and several patient families... ... And feel free to forward this to others/other lists. Thanks... -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill McKenna--AugustaMaine-USA Did you know that Brain tumors are the number one killer of children under the age of 15? You can help change that, Visit the Ride for Kids Page http://www.mint.net/~bmckenna/NERFK.htm ~~ COMING SOON to a New England near you!!~~ *** -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 04:54:55 -0700 (PDT) env-from (davidwh@crl.com) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Kong" To: Subject: PC800: Exhaust flow from New Owner Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 06:55:02 -0500 I was SO happy to find this list. My name is David Heiligmann, I'm a school librarian just outside of Austin, TX. I bought my pc800 Tuesday, 8/4, a '98 model for $5999 as part of the drastic cut that I've seen on other messages for the short time I was lurking. Total out the door tt&l was $6932 and change. And I can't believe what happened while I was riding home to San Antonio, so I'm turning to the list. I'm somewhat large (6', 240#) and wide. While I was going down IH35, I was getting a fairly intense burning sensation on my right kneecap. I figured it was just the sun, since everybody knows what's been going on in Texas with the weather, and ignored it. I was wearing blue jeans, and since I hadn't ridden in a while, I thought it was just the jeans rubbing a different way combined with the heat. When I got home, I discovered two blisters and some other burns on the right kneecap. After looking at things, I wondered: Is the exhaust doing this? My leg wasn't tucked in beside the bike, so could the hot air actually do that to my knee through the jeans? Is there a fix, will just getting some leathers or some extra padding/protection remedy this, or is there a fix from Honda? I love the bike, and I've got all kinds of ideas for it, but if it is seriously going to cook my leg, I may have to reconsider. Kong -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 08:10:03 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: Kong CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Exhaust flow from New Owner Kong wrote: > > I was SO happy to find this list. > > My name is David Heiligmann, I'm a school librarian just outside of Austin, > TX. I bought my pc800 Tuesday, 8/4, a '98 model for $5999 as part of the > drastic cut that I've seen on other messages for the short time I was > lurking. Total out the door tt&l was $6932 and change. > Almost $1,000 in tax, title and license on a $6,000 bike!! Good God man, no wonder you got Republic of Texas guys up in arms. > And I can't believe what happened while I was riding home to San Antonio, > so I'm turning to the list. Sorry about the rest, I have yet to get mine, so I will be reading with interest the responses you get, though I figure since your legs were not against the bike, you were getting the airflow from the radiator that vents through the two side panels. Good Luck. TommyTeal -- 93SE (Teal, You Think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast (on the way) 98V-Star (Red, you bet) GWTA #6871 GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 07:27:42 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: Kong CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Exhaust flow from New Owner Over the last 4 weekends I've ridden my PC over 3300 miles in TX, NM, OK, AR, and LA. Wore blue jeans, no blisters. I'm 6'1" and 265. Squeeze the tank with your knee's and problem solved. Bike's easier to control when locked on too. Enjoy the ride, I do! -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 46 Liter GIVI Bag, Rifle Shield, and too many other options to list. (My Wife might see!) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:33:34 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: patkins@mari.net (Paul B. Atkins) Subject: Re: PC800: Exhaust flow from New Owner >Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:29:55 +0100 >To:davidwh@crl.com >From:patkins@mari.net (Paul B. Atkins) >Subject:Re: PC800: Exhaust flow from New Owner > >Dave...wow blisters? I get a warm rush from time to time..probably due to >wind flow or the fan going on. That just doesn't sound right. I'd check it >out ASAP. And welcome to the club, >Paul > > >At 6:56 AM 8/5/98, davidwh@crl.com wrote: >>I was SO happy to find this list. >> >>My name is David Heiligmann, I'm a school librarian just outside of Austin, >>TX. I bought my pc800 Tuesday, 8/4, a '98 model for $5999 as part of the >>drastic cut that I've seen on other messages for the short time I was >>lurking. Total out the door tt&l was $6932 and change. >> >>And I can't believe what happened while I was riding home to San Antonio, >>so I'm turning to the list. >> >>I'm somewhat large (6', 240#) and wide. While I was going down IH35, I was >>getting a fairly intense burning sensation on my right kneecap. I figured >>it was just the sun, since everybody knows what's been going on in Texas >>with the weather, and ignored it. I was wearing blue jeans, and since I >>hadn't ridden in a while, I thought it was just the jeans rubbing a >>different way combined with the heat. >> >>When I got home, I discovered two blisters and some other burns on the >>right kneecap. After looking at things, I wondered: >> >>Is the exhaust doing this? My leg wasn't tucked in beside the bike, so >>could the hot air actually do that to my knee through the jeans? Is there >>a fix, will just getting some leathers or some extra padding/protection >>remedy this, or is there a fix from Honda? >> >>I love the bike, and I've got all kinds of ideas for it, but if it is >>seriously going to cook my leg, I may have to reconsider. >> >>Kong >> >>-- >>Visit the PC800 web page at >>To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >>message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >>To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > Paul Atkins patkins@mari.net 1996 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:54:25 -0400 To: From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Exhaust flow from New Owner At 6:55 AM -0500 8/5/98, Kong wrote: >I was SO happy to find this list. > Welcome... > >When I got home, I discovered two blisters and some other burns on the >right kneecap. After looking at things, I wondered: > >Is the exhaust doing this? My leg wasn't tucked in beside the bike, so >could the hot air actually do that to my knee through the jeans? Is there >a fix, will just getting some leathers or some extra padding/protection >remedy this, or is there a fix from Honda? > wow...it sounds like quite the burn. First of all, make sure there wasn't some foreign object or substance in the knee of your jeans, like dried laundry soap, gasoline spill, sand that is used to "stone wash" jeans, etc. These would have been the catalyst to the heat. As for the heat, if you want to deflect the heat from the vents further away from the bike, look at the Baker Built air vents. They have been mentionned on this list a couple of times, perhaps another list memebr can provide a web address for them. If they don't appeal to you, you could probably fabricate something yourself, or go to a local plastics shop and have them make a nice bend in a piece of dark lexan, that you could attach to the sides yourself. Good luck.....and don't let this incident turn you off of the PC800. It has been my experience that it is one of the better bikes around when it comes to managing excess heat from the engine. I've had a few bikes, and they have all had a design that basically cooked me when I was driving on a hot day. Bye for now.... fsl :-) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com via smtpd (for Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) with SMTP; 5 Aug 1998 14:50:43 UT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:40:47 -0500 Subject: Re: PC800: Exhaust flow from New Owner fsl wrote: >As for the heat, if you want to deflect the heat from the vents further away from the bike, look at the Baker Built air vents. They have been mentionned on this list a couple of times, perhaps another list memebr can provide a web address for them. www.bakerbuilt.com Baker Built Products, Inc. 11877 Walnut Grove Road Ohio City, OH 45874 Voice: (800) 451-9464 (U.S. & Canada Only) Fax: (419) 965-2646 Email: info@bakerbuilt.com Later Roger -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 10:45:14 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Cheryl L. Johnson" Subject: Re: PC800: Go figure... Rich Thorne wrote: >As an example she offered the experience of her friend who had ridden a >wing for many years and had recently lost her left foot in a low speed >collision with a semi. The rider was following the semi which appeared >to start a left turn by moving to the extreme left side of its lane at >an intersection. In reality the semi was widening the space to make a >right turn. Apparently turn signals were not used or not seen by the >rider. >I can't say for sure, but I don't think I would have been too hasty to >pass the semi on the right in this configuration. Intersections are >inherently dangerous and unpredictable and a big semi rig really >restricts your ability to see who else is doing what. I think, and I >hope, I would have slowed behind the semi until I could get a full sense >of the traffic and what was going to transpire. Total defensive riding >requires enormous patience. As a truck driver, I wanted to add a few comments here: I use turn signals 99% of the time (I am human after all!) but I have to say that my turn signals are *ignored* on a daily basis by the general motoring public. I don't know exactly what happened in this particular incident, and I am not siding with the truck driver, but I would ask you to be extra cautious around big trucks as Rich has mentioned. I have avoided hundreds of crashes (we don't call them accidents anymore - "accidents don't happen, they are caused") by giving way at the last second, even when I had the right of way. Also, I have noticed that motorists in general don't think that it's necessary to use turn signals anymore. I think this is a dangerous trend. Bumper Sticker seen recently: "Forget World Peace, Use Your Turn Signal!" Bill Johnson 89 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:14:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Garbacik To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Fuel Leak - The final (?) chapter I feel sooo silly. Fuel leak was not really a fuel leak. (It is allergy season, OK?) Rode home last night (after another brief 12 hour day at work). No drips. Went in house, fed cat. Back outside. Driveway really wet under bike. Bike making boiling water sounds. Removed plastic. Green stuff coming out of radiator overflow. Wait. Remove radiator cap. Gee, is the spring in the cap supposed to be in two pieces? Feel foolish. Off to dealer to get new cap. Thanks to one and all for all the advice. Tom '89 Moonbeam Corvallis, OR -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:15:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Garbacik To: Bill Snead Cc: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: Half Helmets, Etc. Good point! Tom '89 Moonbeam Corvallis, OR -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PLeray@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:54:48 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Exhaust flow from New Owner Hi, David, Welcome to the group! I'm over here in Shreveport, La, and you're right about the heat. Lordy! Been 102-107 around here for the last 3 weeks. I'm 6' and 203, with a wider-than-standard flat butt. I've not noticed the knee-cooking you mentioned, but if you feel the right side of the Tupperware near the engine air exhaust vent after a ride, you'll be amazed at how hot that plastic gets. The only quick fix I can think of is to try to keep your knees in behind the flat parts of the fairing. There IS one other idea. When I got mine in April, the seating position felt funny. Sitting up straight, like I was ON TOP of the bike, and on the narrow part of the saddle (not ideal for my butt). Kept wanting to scoot back a bit and tilt forward, with some weight on my hands, my knees at a different angle, and my butt on the wider part of the saddle. So I came up with a fix. It's now posted in the Archives, with directions, under Seat Modifications. It allows me to sit further back on the wider part. Takes pressure off my lower back and straightens my knees just a bit. Feel more like part of the machine now. (Yes, it was SCARY cutting on a brand new scooter!) This may also work for you in that it would move your knees back about 1-1/4 inches and give you room to "hug" the bike with your legs. Look at the Archive posting, but first try riding with your tailbone back on the lip of the passenger saddle to get an idea of how it'd feel. Lemme know what you think. (Archive Search: www.hpc.uh.edu/pc800/ ) Patrick in La. '97 Thumper Rabbit -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 12:23:27 -0500 From: Jeffrey King To: Kong CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Exhaust flow from New Owner Kong wrote: > > I was SO happy to find this list. > > My name is David Heiligmann, I'm a school librarian just outside of > Austin, > TX. I bought my pc800 Tuesday, 8/4, a '98 model for $5999 as part of > the > drastic cut that I've seen on other messages for the short time I was > lurking. Total out the door tt&l was $6932 and change. > > And I can't believe what happened while I was riding home to San > Antonio, > so I'm turning to the list. > > I'm somewhat large (6', 240#) and wide. While I was going down IH35, > I was > getting a fairly intense burning sensation on my right kneecap. I > figured > it was just the sun, since everybody knows what's been going on in > Texas > with the weather, and ignored it. I was wearing blue jeans, and since > I > hadn't ridden in a while, I thought it was just the jeans rubbing a > different way combined with the heat. > > When I got home, I discovered two blisters and some other burns on the > right kneecap. After looking at things, I wondered: > > Is the exhaust doing this? My leg wasn't tucked in beside the bike, > so > could the hot air actually do that to my knee through the jeans? Is > there > a fix, will just getting some leathers or some extra > padding/protection > remedy this, or is there a fix from Honda? > > I love the bike, and I've got all kinds of ideas for it, but if it is > seriously going to cook my leg, I may have to reconsider. > > Kong > > -- What do you expect, Dave? It's 110 degrees around here. That's hot enough to get blisters on anything! Seriously, as others have mentioned in here, keep your knees against the sides of the bike. The next time you're out on your new scoot, put your hands down against your shins, then move them out just a little. The airflow from the vents is VERY hot. Don't get your legs or anything else in that airflow! One more thing.. I've noticed that one of the options for the bike are scuff panels to protect the finish on the bike. Has anyone tried these out? I'm starting to get worried that I'll rub the paint off the side panels with my jeans if I keep them rubbing up against the paint. Anyone had this happen? Congrats on your new purchase. I live up north of DFW, and just got mine back on 7/7/98 and love it. I want to take a ride along the Texas Hill Country Trail one of these weekends. Care to join me? Jeff (K5ING) in southwest suburban Krum, USA '94 Honda PC800 (The Batcycle) '78 Suzuki GS400 (Buzzy) '61 Olds Super 88 (Moby Dick) -- ==================================================================== Jeffrey W. King (K5ING) Krum, TX. USA 940.482.3446 (home) 972.597.1021 (pager) ==================================================================== http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/1919 ==================================================================== -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:38:56 PT From: "PETER NOETH, SR. SYSTEMS ENGINEER, SFO DEV. X5567" Subject: PC800: Honda scuff pad set To: pc800: ; Cc: PETER_N1@sfov1.verifone.com /FONT=Courier-Bold/LINES=66/LEFT_MARGIN=36/CALCULATE/TOP_MARGIN=36/BOTTOM_MARGIN=36 To answer an inquiry relating to the scuff pad set for the PC800 that Jeffery King mentioned in his last email, I have the scuff pad set but haven't yet installed it. The kit consists of several pieces of 3M self stick vinyl cut in different shapes. These pieces are attached to the front top corners of the trunk lid, and areas near the passenger foot pegs. There are no pieces that provide any real paint protection for the driver position. I was disappointed, but if a source could be found for this 3M vinyl, pieces could be made. The Honda scuff pad set really only provides a measure of protection for surfaces likely to be abraided by the passenger. I would have liked to see pieces to cover the area between the front of the driver seat and the bottom of the "gas tank" (Honda calls it the shelter) and pieces to cover areas on the side of the fairing where the driver would tend to rub the paint. Also the vinyl is not crystal clear. When attached to the bike, the appearance is like that you would get if someone had spray painted these areas with a flat (non gloss) paint, the same color as the bike. The salesman I deal with at Milpitas Honda had put the scuff pad set on his black '95 and thought it detracted from the appearence of the bike and took them off. Peter Noeth, KE6ZJA, '96 w/6k and loving everything except this damn heat!! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ernie.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA18001; Wed, 05 Aug 1998 11:14:36 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: jking@iglobal.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Scuff Kit, protecting the paint Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:15:08 -0700 Jeff: I had the Honda scuff kit. It basically protected the trunk from the passengers thighs (or your foot swinging over the trunk) and around the feet a little. It was mostly a waste of time. The real place you NEED protection is on either side of your trunk. (You should be holding on with your knees.) Go to a dirt bike motorcycle shop and look for a product called N-Style. It comes in three large sheets for about $18. You will probably only need one sheet (maybe two). This stuff is 12mil clear plastic with an adhesive backing. Cut a piece to fit one side of your tank to give maximum protection from your knees rubbing the paint off. Get on and off the bike to verify. Cut as big a piece as you can fit. Round the corners, etc so it looks professional (easily done with a scissors). Before you take the backing off, make a mirror image piece for the other side by tracking it. Make sure the tank is clean, and stick it on. At first it won't look so great, but after a few days to a week it will disappear. I had red paint on the insides of the knees of my Aerostich, easily noticeable because I wear it everyday. If you wear jeans that you regularly wash, you are probably still wearing off the paint, you just don't know it yet. Todd Vierheller > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey King [SMTP:jking@iglobal.net] > One more thing.. I've noticed that one of the options for the bike > are scuff panels to protect the finish on the bike. Has anyone > tried these out? I'm starting to get worried that I'll rub the > paint off the side panels with my jeans if I keep them rubbing > up against the paint. Anyone had this happen? > > Jeff (K5ING) in southwest suburban Krum, USA > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 15:12:07 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: PLeray@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Exhaust flow from New Owner PLeray@aol.com wrote: > > Hi, David, > > Welcome to the group! I'm over here in Shreveport, La, and you're right > about the heat. Lordy! Been 102-107 around here for the last 3 weeks. > > I'm 6' and 203, with a wider-than-standard flat butt. I've not noticed > the knee-cooking you mentioned, but if you feel the right side of the > Tupperware near the engine air exhaust vent after a ride, you'll be amazed at > how hot that plastic gets. > The only quick fix I can think of is to try to keep your knees in behind the > flat parts of the fairing. You guys are starting to get me worried here and I do not even pick up the bike until tommorrow. I have checked out the web page for baker air wings. Has anyone used these to force the hot air away from the side of the bike? Does it work? This picture on Bakers page makes me unsure. TommyTeal -- 93SE (Teal, You Think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast (on the way) 98V-Star (Red, you bet) GWTA #6871 GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:22:26 CDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 14:21:18 -0500 From: "David L. Sigsbee" Subject: Re: PC800: Scuff Kit, protecting the paint To: king@iglobal.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Reply-to: dsigsbee@memphis.edu Jeff: The N-Style clear adhesive vinyl is also available through the Dennis Kirk dirt bike catalog, buried somewhere in the section where they sell stick-on numbers. I got three very large sheets for about $13.50 + postage. I pass this on because I wasn't able to find any of the clear locally. David -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. 5 Aug 1998 14:38:59 -0500 (CDT) by ernie.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA18738; Wed, 05 Aug 1998 12:37:07 -0700 Content-return: allowed ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 12:37:39 -0700 From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com Subject: RE: PC800: Scuff Kit, protecting the paint To: dsigsbee@memphis.edu Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Interestingly enough, that is apparently what it is designed to be used for. That's why I have to get it from the dirt bike shop. They use it for their numbers somehow. I have it on my current bike too. I wax my bike prior to application. Todd Vierheller '96 R1100RTL, "Rain Dancer" > -----Original Message----- > From: David L. Sigsbee [SMTP:dsigsbee@memphis.edu] > The N-Style clear adhesive vinyl is also available through the Dennis > Kirk dirt bike catalog, buried somewhere in the section where they sell > stick-on numbers. I got three very large sheets for about $13.50 + > postage. I pass this on because I wasn't able to find any of the clear > locally. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:38:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Miller Subject: Re: PC800: Exhaust flow from New Owner To: gwta@voyager.net, PLeray@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Tommy: In my opinion, you don't need the air wing things at all. In order to get my legs out into the hot airflow, I have to INTENTIONALLY spread my legs way out in an abnormal position (abnormal for me, at least). I only do it when I'm cold! Everybody's body is different, so some people may have a problem with the hot airflow, but for me it is a non-issue. Tony '97, 3,000 miles ---Thomas Ongstad wrote: > > PLeray@aol.com wrote: > > > > Hi, David, > > > > Welcome to the group! I'm over here in Shreveport, La, and you're right > > about the heat. Lordy! Been 102-107 around here for the last 3 weeks. > > > > I'm 6' and 203, with a wider-than-standard flat butt. I've not noticed > > the knee-cooking you mentioned, but if you feel the right side of the > > Tupperware near the engine air exhaust vent after a ride, you'll be amazed at > > how hot that plastic gets. > > The only quick fix I can think of is to try to keep your knees in behind the > > flat parts of the fairing. > > > You guys are starting to get me worried here and I do not even pick up > the bike until tommorrow. I have checked out the web page for baker air > wings. Has anyone used these to force the hot air away from the side of > the bike? Does it work? This picture on Bakers page makes me unsure. > > > TommyTeal > -- > 93SE (Teal, You Think?) > 95Hannigan > 95ACE (got to go) > 97Pacific Coast (on the way) > 98V-Star (Red, you bet) > GWTA #6871 > GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > == My homepage URL is http://members.tripod.com/~tlmiller/ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:23:25 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "97PC800" <97PC800@bizgroup.net> To: , Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: Exhaust flow from New Owner Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:20:04 -0400 Tommy, I had them installed at the Honda HomeComing. They work great for cool air or hot depending on positioning. A very good investment in my opinion. Steve Scudder 97PC800@bizgroup.net Grand Rapids, MI >You guys are starting to get me worried here and I do not even pick up >the bike until tommorrow. I have checked out the web page for baker air >wings. Has anyone used these to force the hot air away from the side of >the bike? Does it work? This picture on Bakers page makes me unsure. > > >TommyTeal hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Scuff Kit, protecting the paint From: Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org (Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 11:58:54 -0700 Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >The N-Style clear adhesive vinyl is also available through the Dennis >Kirk dirt bike catalog, buried somewhere in the section where they sell >stick-on numbers. I used a pack of clear number stickers made by Factory-FX. You get three large sheets for $15. The plactic is pretty thick but is surprisingly compliant to curved surfaces. If you are careful putting it on and let the bike sit in the sun and heat up, the plastic really moulds itself to the bike and it is nearly invisible. Greg Torok 97 PC800 Bellingham WA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GBalthaser@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 19:13:55 EDT To: tonylmiller@yahoo.com, gwta@voyager.net, PLeray@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Exhaust flow from New Owner Hi All, I must have the same body shape as Tony. I have absolutely no problem with heat on my legs even on the hottest of days. But I am interested in the Baker air wings for those colder days to get some heat. Has anyone tried these? Later Glenn 97 PC800, 4000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 19:39:04 +0000 From: Bill Snead To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: Exhaust flow from New Owner Kong wrote: > When I got home, I discovered two blisters and some other burns on the > right kneecap. After looking at things, I wondered: > > Is the exhaust doing this? My leg wasn't tucked in beside the bike, so > could the hot air actually do that to my knee through the jeans? Gee David, I have a hard time believing that you got burned by the side vents, wearing jeans yet. I don't know the distance of your ride, but man, I've put on 600 mi + to Florida from NC and not gotten any heat even close to burn temps. I regularly stuff my hands in there to warm them on cooler rides, and have pulled the vents themselves during rides in the summer to check coolant / fuses or whatever and they've never been too hot to hand hold. What was your coolant temp gauge reading on this ride? Is bike filled with coolant? Also, is fan motor working? This should come on before the temp gauge gets too far towards center. What about just the jeans themselves wearing out your kneecap? I know all this sounds a bit silly, and I'm not implying that you are either. Just doesn't sound right, and with a new bike and all maybe the dealer forgot something. Anyway, it is NOT usual for the air flow from the side vents to be so hot to cause injury. -- Peace and All Good, Bill (70,000 MI ON PC, year round, no burns) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (IPAD 2.05) id 5968100 ; Wed, 05 Aug 1998 20:09:18 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 20:10:02 -0400 From: Scot Piper To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: New Jacket I'm ready to purchase a riding jacket. I'll be making a 700 mile trip Aug 13-15 and figured it's time I get a decent riding jacket. Personally, I like the Joe Rocket Ballistic ($239). Another reader suggested Tour Master Cortech. I looked at that one, but limited to 3 colors. A buddy bought a Technic Interstate ($170) and is fairly please with it. Aerstich is too much for me. Any other jackets I should consider? Also, who is a good mail order company to get one through and how long should I expect to wait (8 days until my trip). I have a Competition Accessories catalog, and a Chaparrel catalog. Both carry Joe Rocket. I have not checked with Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse or Shade Tree yet. Any comments are appreciated. Please e-mail off line, I am no longer on the PC800 mailing list. Scot Piper '89 PC800 Midland, MI ----------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "The Broeking's" To: Subject: PC800: To go "Stealth" or Not.... (Decals) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 20:31:54 -0400 I keep looking at those Honda and PC decals on my 98.... with enough miles racked up for my initial 650 mile service next week I am already plotting what I want to do: - BMW plug (actually John Deere) compliments of Steve Wilson for my electric vest - "different windshield (Rifle or Clearview) - throttlemiester lock......(Thanks Brian) Gee , but the real question is the decals. I have to admit with postings from the archives, the Honda decals on the fairing are downright unimpressive. And the PC ones on the trunk almost overpower the rear sides. I borrowed my wife's hair dryer tonight and started small - removing the small safety one on the gas tank cover...I got that helmet thing down pat -- wont forget... .... but should I remove the other discussed above? It seems quite a few folks have... wonder what the % is of people who left their decals on or took them off????? Email me privately what you did and I will compile the stats and share with the group... and maybe then make a decision! :-) Bob -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. X-UID: 0007e7e5 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 20:35:10 -0400 Subject: Re(2): PC800: Exhaust flow from New Owner To: gwta@voyager.net Cc: PLeray@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: tdavies@sfcs.k12.ny.us (Mr.Tim Davies) gwta@voyager.net,Internet writes: >You guys are starting to get me worried here and I do not even pick up >the bike until tommorrow. I have checked out the web page for baker air >wings. Has anyone used these to force the hot air away from the side of >the bike? Does it work? This picture on Bakers page makes me unsure. > > >TommyTeal Try sending a message to Stever Scudder (greyhound@bizgroup.net) with your question. He bought some a the Honda Homecoming a few weeks ago and he can give you a good idea of how well they work. He is on the listserv also Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. X-UID: 0007e7ec ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 20:45:50 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: New Jacket To: scotp1965@mdn.net Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu From: tdavies@sfcs.k12.ny.us (Mr.Tim Davies) scotp1965@mdn.net,Internet writes: >I'm ready to purchase a riding jacket. I'll be making a 700 mile trip >Aug 13-15 and figured it's time I get a decent riding jacket. >Personally, I like the Joe Rocket Ballistic ($239). Another reader >suggested Tour Master Cortech. I looked at that one, but limited to 3 >colors. A buddy bought a Technic Interstate ($170) and is fairly please >with it. Aerstich is too much for me. Any other jackets I should >consider? Also, who is a good mail order company to get one through and >how long should I expect to wait (8 days until my trip). I have a >Competition Accessories catalog, and a Chaparrel catalog. Both carry >Joe Rocket. I have not checked with Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse or >Shade Tree yet. Any comments are appreciated. Please e-mail off line, >I am no longer on the PC800 mailing list. > >Scot Piper >'89 PC800 >Midland, MI I went to Competition Accessories while I was in Ohio at the Honda Homecoming just to try on the Joe Rocket jacket (probably the same one you like). I drove away with the Tour Master Cortech. The Joe Rocket was very, very stiff at the inside of my elbows when I bent my arms sitting on a motorcycle. The whole jacket was much stiffer than the Tour Master. I have had the Tour Master for 850 miles now and it is great. I especially like all the pockets and the built in zippered air vents that Joe Rocket did not have. This is a tough purchase without being able to try it on. If possible, order both and send one back. That way you will be sure to have one that you like for the trip. Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 21:27:16 -0400 From: Rich Thorne To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Exhaust heat burns for new rider Welcome David, Just to be clear, I assume you are not talking about engine exhaust, but rather about the radiator cooling air exhausted from the side vents. It does not seem to be a problem previously reported on this list. I keep my legs in tight against the body for riding stability and have never experienced this problem. On occasion I have placed my gloved hand in the exhaust vent air flow and remember the temperature being warm but not excessively high. rich 97 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 19:14:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Miller Subject: Re: PC800: Exhaust heat burns for new rider To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu You know, I suppose it IS possible that he's actually getting some exhaust through there. But you would think the bike would be loud as a Harley if he was. . . Tony ---Rich Thorne wrote: > > Welcome David, > > Just to be clear, I assume you are not talking about engine exhaust, but > rather about the radiator cooling air exhausted from the side vents. > > It does not seem to be a problem previously reported on this list. > > I keep my legs in tight against the body for riding stability and have > never experienced this problem. On occasion I have placed my gloved > hand in the exhaust vent air flow and remember the temperature being > warm but not excessively high. > > rich > 97 PC800 > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > == My homepage URL is http://members.tripod.com/~tlmiller/ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:57:46 -0400 To: gwta@voyager.net From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Exhaust flow from New Owner Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 3:12 PM -0400 8/5/98, Thomas Ongstad wrote: > >You guys are starting to get me worried here and I do not even pick up >the bike until tommorrow. I have checked out the web page for baker air >wings. Has anyone used these to force the hot air away from the side of >the bike? Does it work? This picture on Bakers page makes me unsure. > > >TommyTeal >-- > don't worry about it TOmmy. It's a non-issue, unless your knees and legs stick out past the side of the fairing. I'm 6'1", 210 pounds, and I have plenty of room behind the fairing. fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: lessons learned from Montana trip of "Tue, 04 Aug 1998 21:13:52 PDT." <19980805041352.3764.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 22:35:06 -0500 "Vartan Kazarov" writes: > What are your feelings about hail? How about "hail and a half-helmet"? :-) -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Half Helmets, Etc. of "Tue, 04 Aug 1998 15:35:30 EDT." <35C76282.525E@voyager.net> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 22:30:23 -0500 Thomas Ongstad writes: > As I have gotten older, I have read more and more on the issue and the > one item that really struck me was what I read one day. Most motorcycle > deaths and permanent injuries are from head trauma. Made sense. But > reading on, most automobile deaths and permanent injuries are from head > trauma. Say again. Yep. If true, then all automobile drivers should > also be required to wear helmets. Why should I have to pay higher > insurance premiums because some people do not wear helmets while driving > their cars. How big do you think that would go over. Yeah, me too. If > people who do not drive or only ride M/C's must pay through their > insurance for these people, how is it more unfair for them to pay for > me. I am not arguing here over what helmets are safer or no helmet is > safe. I am just bringing up the fairness issue. While we're Making The World Safe Thru Legislation, let me add another hazard that *must* be outlawed immediately! Its the unheralded 2nd leading cause of accidents. Its a virus which has infected our streets. Costs taxpayers millions in repairs. Any damn fool can buy them in any quantity without a license or even a background investigation. I'm talking about nails. Please write your Congressman today. Demand nails be outlawed. Technology can replace nails with a safe solution. [end of joke] I don't think nails should be outlawed, or a license required to purchase nails. In fact I don't think much of anything should be done about nails other than to create nail proof tires. And nail proof tires should *not* be mandatory. I bring this up because its useful sometimes to look at issues from a different angle. I don't believe any legislative body is capable of writing rules or laws capable of dictating the "best" solution. If this was possible then the Communist East would not have fallen. I wore my helmet once when driving my car on public streets. An '86 VW Golf with all windows down, hubcaps removed, and 45 PSI in the tires. Was on my may to "training day", the day before a local autocross event. Helmets were required in the event but not in the class. Thought I'd practice driving the car with a helmet. Got the strangest looks. A car really does feel different from inside a helmet. After a day of that, was too pooped and sore to drive the next day in the autocross. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Tom Garbacik cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Fuel Leak? - Chapter 3 of "Tue, 04 Aug 1998 08:08:53 PDT." Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 22:07:08 -0500 Tom Garbacik writes: > Off with the plastic again. No sign of a leak, or tracks in the dust > where a liquid might have run down the plastic. No leaks from clutch or > brake lines that I could see. No leak from fork seals. Coolant level > seems fine. > > Ideas or suggestions would be appreciated. If its leaking from somewhere and there are no tracks in the dust then you don't have dust in the right places. You might take some spray-on cooking oil (brand name of PAM comes to mind) and some talc and dirty up the inside of your plastic. You should be able to wash the stuff off later, if you don't let it get cooked too long. :-) -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "'PC800 List'" From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: '97 & newer points to ponder. of "Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:22:14 EDT." <01BDBF2D.32A130A0@pm1-12.tricon.net> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 21:58:08 -0500 Jim Randall writes: > Hmmm, since the lower fork legs are different on the '97 and newer bikes, do > these models still have the antidive front suspension? Yes. My '98 has it on only one fork leg. According to my 89-96 service manual that is correct for all years. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Half Helmets of "Mon, 03 Aug 1998 23:53:33 EDT." <69a2437c.35c685be@aol.com> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 22:02:28 -0500 Doylefish@aol.com writes: > All helmets are dot approved so just wear what you are comfortable with > and let others do the same. All tires are "dot approved" too. But they are not equal. '98 PC800W, "Macintosh" '98 Arai Signet/e, Sport-red, XXL -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: To be or not to be of "Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:49:21 EDT." <35C676B1.31A1@voyager.net> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 21:56:06 -0500 Thomas Ongstad writes: > So 7 of 9 did not know of the price reduction. That's about the same as I found. 3 of 4 didn't have a clue. > I took along a printed page from Honda's webpage with the correct list > price (6699) for ammunition. I was nice to them all, figuring that most > likely it is not their fault, but who knows. Did make for a pain in > trying to discuss price though. Tried that at one place that actually had a PC800 in stock. He rifled thru notebooks but didn't find anything. I asked, "You wanna call Honda?" Wasn't that motivated. I bought elsewhere. '98 PC800W, "Macintosh" -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Bill Snead cc: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Latin Pigs, ummm Pig Latin. of "Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:08:41 -0000." <35C634E9.AF89C14E@lithoindustries.com> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 21:50:29 -0500 Bill Snead writes: > John La wrote: > > > And, by the way... since you're an expert on latin, how do you say > > PC800 in latin? > > > > epay esay 8a undredhay? n4hhe: {1068} pig And, by the way... since you're an expert on latin, how do you say PC800 in latin? Andway, ybay ethay ayway... incesay youay'eray anway expertway onway atinlay, owhay oday youay aysay PCay800 inway atinlay? ^C n4hhe: {1069} There you have it. Staight from the the Pig Latin converter shipped with BSD Un*x. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "John Scalisi" cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Happy Clearview Shield Owner of "Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:45:59 PDT." <19980803184559.28660.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 21:45:21 -0500 "John Scalisi" writes: > I purchased my 1990 PC800 last year and it already had a Rifle > windshield installed. I do not have the original stock windshield. My > question is, if I wanted to put a Clearview windshield on are there any > stock components I would be missing since I don't have the original > shield? Or, can I simply remove the Rifle and install the Clearview? > Any help? You would be missing the shouldered washers and the large rubber gasket everyone is complaining about seeing thru the Clearview shield. '98 PC800W, "Macintosh" -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ha1.rdc1.pa.home.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Alan Bowen" To: Subject: PC800: Neon Pinstriping Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:14:11 -0400 I picked up a CaliforNeon pinstriping package from Pep Boys yesterday, $79. I first saw pictures of a PC with this stuff on it from the Southern Cal PC Riders Club and thought "gee...that's different". So, it might not actually be good looking, but it sure does help visibility at night. This is the stuff that NASA uses to light up the Space Shuttle. If it's high-tech, it's got to be good for us technology addicts. This stuff goes on like Scotch tape. Each section of "tape" requires a power hookup to a supplied transformer unit. Installation is easy, but very time consuming. The plastic body panels are great for a professional looking job because you can tuck the pinstriping in tight for a "from the factory" look. I installed about 12 feet of the stuff in five hours, but that includes prep time, clean up time, and dress in time. There are seven colors available. I left mine the basic white color that it comes in to go with my red 97. And it's starting to grow on me. There's absolutely nothing wrong with a stock PC. That's the bike I fell in love with. But customized, modified, and accessorized makes a good thing even better. So go out to your garage this weekend and add your personality to your bike. Alan '97 PC CaliforNeon striping Jensen Amp Pioneer Speakers Walkman GPS Vista Cruise throttle lock Fat handgrips Hondaline passenger backrest -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John Scalisi" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Half Helmets, Etc. Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 09:21:48 PDT Bravo! Very well said! gizmo.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAD02884; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:01:17 -0500 22:03:07)); Tue, 04 Aug 1998 21:30:00 -0500 (CDT) sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA18346 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:29:53 -0500 (CDT) [208.213.144.200]) > by kds5.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with ESMTP id WAA13148 > for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:28:57 -0400 (EDT) >Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 22:32:41 +0000 >From: Bill Snead >To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" >Subject: Re: PC800: Half Helmets, Etc. <57105F5CE515D2118BF90000F68AF58352627D@M0802P6.nordstrom.com> > >I've had a bit of a tiny thought, > > Re: The argument for one paying for the consequences of one's own risky >behavior (whatever *that* unidentifyable thing is) without burdening society... > Hasn't the cushion of the "many" over the years actually helped lessen the >impact of our collective behaviors on society? Our ability to attempt to >expand our horizons *NOT* at each others expense, but with the idea of common >support (One Nation...Indivisible) has led to some amazing discoveries, >personal and for the comon good. > The trust I have in maybe being "rescued" if my climb fails, vehicle crashes, >bones break etc, makes it possible for me to reach beyond where I am now. This >can only be good for the species. > If we all fail alone, thru our faults or accident, with no support ...then >our knowledge, spirit and ambition may fail as well. > We may find soon that we are risking much if we risk a little. Freedom and >"safety" seldom go hand in hand. > This is what lured me to Motorcycling as an endeavor. I'm able to manage *my* >risk with *my* skills and thru that continually see improvement...In my >piloting AND in myself. > How much of that could I lose if someone else were to manage my risk for me? > >In Bill Shakespeare's words (kinda)...If I doth offend, please forgive. >-- >Peace and All Good, Bill >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:42:45 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Cheryl L. Johnson" Subject: Re: PC800: headlight modulator works At 07:56 AM 8/6/98 +0100, Paul B. Atkins wrote: >Hello my friends, >just more anectodal evidence to support using the modulator...I was riding >my bike behind a coworker in her car the other day. She drives a >convertible with a badly fogged rear plastic window. She said she was >constantly thinking a police car was behind her since she could still see >the modulating light in the plastic. >"Great" I thought..that's what I want..to be seen as to not be shmucked. >I have noticed significantly different reactions from car drivers as I move >through town and on the highway.. the eyes stop to see what is making the >light flash, as opposed to the sometimes "glazed over" look as they look >for cars, and NOT for bikes. I have mixed feelings about headlight modulators. There is no doubt that they get noticed, but I wouldn't want to get stuck in front of one on a long stretch of two lane where you couldn't pass me. Some other things that bother me are school buses with the strobe on top. I think it would be better if they only came on when the bus was stopping, or stopped. Have you ever followed one for miles at night? Quite annoying. Same thing with tow trucks, they should definitely use their emergency lights at the scene of a wreck or breakdown, but do they have to leave them on while traveling down the road? It's a shame we have to worry so much about drivers with that "glazed over" look. It'll probably get worse before it gets better. Too many of todays drivers think of driving as a passive activity. It seems so easy, that they think it's O.K. to do everything else but drive. i.e. cellphoning, reading, I have seen people reading paperback novels at the wheel of cars traveling at least 80 miles an hour! Women doing their nails, and people eating are also high on my list of stupid driving tricks. Of course someday all cars will be so automated, running by internal sensing systems that we won't have to worry, right? Bill Johnson 89PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:12:05 -0500 From: Jeffrey King To: PC800 List Subject: PC800: Headlight modulators, etc. My main concerns about modulators are, as was mentioned before, being pulled over because the cop thinks it's illegal. It's not that I have anything to hide, but I would sure hate to have to prove it in court every month or two. Especially if I'm on a trip a few hundred miles from home. I'm also worried about encountering a certain amount of road rage from drivers who think that I'm flashing my brights on and off at them. Nothing like having a Texas driver, high on independence and beer, slamming on his brakes to "teach that s.o.b. a lesson". Flashing lights at drivers here in Texas is second only to flipping the bird, which is recognized as a defense in shootings here (or it seems to be), in causing road rage incidents. I'm also concerned about people who will suddenly slow down in front of me, thinking that I'm a motorcycle cop. On the other hand, I would love a way to make cagers notice me on the road, so I'll probably look into getting one anyway. I'm also thinking of mounting either a third brakelight in the "ducktail", which would flash as I apply my brakes, or maybe even drilling about 15 small holes, and mounting an equal number of superbright LED's to do the same thing. Still mulling over which would look better. Another poster mentioned the other activities which drivers take part in, putting actual driving secondary. For a long time, I wish I could get an effort started, by both bikers and other cage drivers, in which anytime we saw a driver talking on a cell phone, a good blast on the horn to show our displeasure would become the norm. That would not only embarrass the chatting driver, but also let the person who he/she is talking to know that their chat partner is talking while driving. We need to make it socially unacceptable to talk on the phone while driving. We've done it with smoking, and drinking while driving. Why now phoning? Thanks to all about the scuff pad responses as well. I think I'll start looking around for the number pads mentioned by a few. I know that it will detract a bit from the looks, but not as much as worn off paint will. Stepping down off the soap box now, Jeff (K5ING) in southwest suburban Krum, USA '94 Honda PC800 (The Batcycle) '78 Suzuki GS400 (Buzzy) '61 Olds Super 88 (Moby Dick) -- ==================================================================== Jeffrey W. King (K5ING) Krum, TX. USA 940.482.3446 (home) 972.597.1021 (pager) ==================================================================== http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/1919 ==================================================================== -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ernie.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA03244 for ; Thu, 06 Aug 1998 10:27:29 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Scuff Kit, protecting the paint Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:27:58 -0700 My original posting should have said GAS TANK. This is where the paint wears off. If you are properly holding on with your knees, the gas tank will lose its paint under your knees. (Horses have no handlebars, so riders hold on with their knees. You should do likewise, so your hands can steer.) Cindy wrote: >Will this Scuff stuff hurt my custom paint job? Todd answers: I don't know. But I DO KNOW that not using anything leaves nice shiny round metal spots with no paint on each side of a CM450E gas tank. On a PC800 I suspect the nice round spots with no paint would be the color of the underlying plastic. The Broeking's wrote: >Can you later take them off without damaging the paint job. >other than maybe a difference where the paint has faded, >not faded? Bob Todd answers: I don't know, because I would never take them off. I intend to leave the plastic on my R1100RTL right where it is until I either wear through it, or the bike dies a natural death. The plastic was still on my PC800 when it went to the motorcycle boneyard. A blow dryer might work to get it off if you were so inclined. I can't comment on the fading. Todd Vierheller > -----Original Message----- > From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com > >The real place you NEED protection is on either side of your trunk. (You > >should be holding on with your knees.) Go to a dirt bike motorcycle > shop > >and look for a product called N-Style. It comes in three large sheets > for > >about $18. You will probably only need one sheet (maybe two). This >stuff is 12mil clear plastic with an adhesive backing. > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:44:54 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Doug This is answer I received from Clearview on installation of there shield, maybe this will help us, think i will wait for their decal before painting it. Doug Doug, > Glad we could be of service and I hope you like the windshield. As for > the answers to your questions, > #1 Yes, you should use the gasket with the new windshield > > #2 We will soon be developing a new decal that will replace the black area > that is found on the stock windshield. Estimated time frame is 6 to 8 > weeks. If you wish to paint the windshield yourself then I would suggest > "Rustoleum" brand high temperature oven paint. And prep the surface with > rubbing alcohol. > > Thanks for your business and please call on us with any other questions. > > C Stenger > ---------- > > From: Doug > > To: Clearview@bewellnet.com > > Subject: Windshield > > Date: Wednesday, July 29, 1998 9:20 AM > > > > Craig, > > I want you to know that I appreciate your efforts in getting my shield to > > me on or before July 28, it arrived 28th. Good service is hard to find > > these days, you may rest assured, I will spread the word about your > > company...Good Job! > > > > I do have two questions,, > > #1 When installing your shield,,do I use the rubber gasket that is on my > > current shield? > > #2 Is there a recommended way to tint the bottom of Clearwiew where u can > > see the dash through it...There has been much discussion on the PC 800 > > Email list as to how to do it,,everything from static cling, wet cling, > > dye, paint, > > etc...thought you might have an idea for us... > > > > Thanks again > > > > Doug Alexander > > 94 Knight Rider -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DKY3MTV2; Thu, 06 Aug 1998 13:54:41 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: SEE-NICK LIGHTING From: annreid@juno.com (ann s reid) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 13:54:41 EDT FOOD FOR THOT ... OR NOT! Now that I've seen Harrison's (SCPCRC) blue Californeon on his white PC .... I want some. I want it NOW. It's really neat!! I'd also like a band of red to go with it. PICTURE THIS: A white PC with bands of (police) blue and red lighting around its girth. And? And on the back are peel'n stik letters spelling it out: not (2" letters) P O L I C E (5" letters). Ann '89 PC GHOSTY WITHout THE MOSTY Thu. 8.6.98 10:50 MST _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DKY3MTU3; Thu, 06 Aug 1998 13:54:41 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: TUFF SCUFF SCHTUFF From: annreid@juno.com (ann s reid) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 13:54:41 EDT WILL THE JURY PLEASE CONSIDER.... Try any FAST SIGN type store for clear static cling material. It won't hurt the bike but will protect the finish. Comes on a roll about 2' wide and you can buy it by the foot (MINE or YOURS), yard (FRONT OR BACK), fathom (IMAGINE THAT), km, mile blah blah blah. It peels off for bathing and reapplies. Easy ON. Easy OFF. It's the same schtuff my "Hardly A. Davidson" signs are printed/silk screened on and I've been using the same signs for over two years. Waxy On. Waxy Off! 'member? Off to lunch with Juan and Crystal Goula (Alaska Listers). Tonight's plan is Planet Hollywood, where they have a very interesting and unusual Ladies' Room (**). (Sorry laddies! *NOT*). To be continued.... Ann '89 PC = ROASTY GHOSTY @ 115-F Thu. 8.6.98 10:40 MST (**) It's okay to GO THERE. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 14:18:47 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: Jeffrey King CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Headlight modulators, etc. Jeffrey King wrote: > > My main concerns about modulators are, as was mentioned before, > being pulled over because the cop thinks it's illegal. It's not > that I have anything to hide, but I would sure hate to have to > prove it in court every month or two. Especially if I'm on a trip > a few hundred miles from home. > > I'm also worried about encountering a certain amount of road rage > from drivers who think that I'm flashing my brights on and off at > them. Nothing like having a Texas driver, high on independence and > beer, slamming on his brakes to "teach that s.o.b. a lesson". > Flashing lights at drivers here in Texas is second only to flipping > the bird, which is recognized as a defense in shootings here (or it > seems to be), in causing road rage incidents. I'm also concerned > about people who will suddenly slow down in front of me, thinking > that I'm a motorcycle cop. I have been riding for years and years and it sounds like you could use a part time modulator. Course if you put the lights on low it turns off right? So if you worried about upsetting someone, a quick hit of the dimmer switch will turn it off. If your concerned that you will not remember, you can do what I do. That is use the dimmer switch for high and low when coming up on a corner or where-ever you feel is dangerous. I have used this for years and it does work. TommyTeal -- 93SE (Teal, You Think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast (on the way) 98V-Star (Red, you bet) GWTA #6871 GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: brian.hopkins@L3.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Headlight modulators, etc. Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:35:09 -0600 Ok, maybe I'm a bad man but personally I don't really care about the other car drivers out there. They don't see me and they don't care about me (trust me I'll attest to this TWICE this morning). I ride with my brights on all the time Except when it is very very dark and everyone has their lights on. I have purchased hotter bulbs for every bike I've owned. (dual 55/60's in the VFR-intense!) I don't go to low beam until I see everyone has turned on their lights. In the morning, the instant I count three cars without lights on my brights go on. (as therefore, if they don't need lights, then it must be daytime). Now, if I'm stuck on a long stretch where I'm not getting by anyone for a long time, I'll go to low, but never in the city where it is super dangerous. I don't have modulators on my bikes. (don't like 'em) but personally I hope they do think I'm a cop. Keeps them sane and alert. I think of cars as big rolling rocks. They have no mind of their own. They are inclined to go any which way they want and they are just out to crush me. Is this a super aggressive and paranoid way of viewing the world? Yes. And I don't recommend that everyone should ride the way I do. (including NEVER riding behind semi/large trucks/vans/etc, constant lane positioning, etc) but it works for me. Just another viewpoint in this great big goofy world of us. Stay safe. Brian D. Hopkins '97 PC800 '96 VFR HSTA # something, its on the other computer :-) Jeffrey King wrote: > > My main concerns about modulators are, as was mentioned before, > being pulled over because the cop thinks it's illegal. It's not > that I have anything to hide, but I would sure hate to have to > prove it in court every month or two. Especially if I'm on a trip > a few hundred miles from home. > > I'm also worried about encountering a certain amount of road rage > from drivers who think that I'm flashing my brights on and off at > them. Nothing like having a Texas driver, high on independence and > beer, slamming on his brakes to "teach that s.o.b. a lesson". > Flashing lights at drivers here in Texas is second only to flipping > the bird, which is recognized as a defense in shootings here (or it > seems to be), in causing road rage incidents. I'm also concerned > about people who will suddenly slow down in front of me, thinking > that I'm a motorcycle cop. I have been riding for years and years and it sounds like you could use a part time modulator. Course if you put the lights on low it turns off right? So if you worried about upsetting someone, a quick hit of the dimmer switch will turn it off. If your concerned that you will not remember, you can do what I do. That is use the dimmer switch for high and low when coming up on a corner or where-ever you feel is dangerous. I have used this for years and it does work. TommyTeal -- 93SE (Teal, You Think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast (on the way) 98V-Star (Red, you bet) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Arvid_L=F8vik?=" To: "PC 800 Mailserver" Subject: PC800: I`m back!! Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:39:52 +0200 -Hi again group! Arrived Stavanger Yesterday night with 2 lovely bikes, after an eventful = trip to Germany.=20 The ferry was canselled due to bad weather, we had to wait 4 hours and = the bus trip was thereafter a race with the clock to make it to Bremen = in time. Luckily there was a busdriver for the same company on holiday aboard and = we got him to drive for the 45 minutes the original driver had to rest. = We made Hamburg Trainstation with 12 minutes to go!!!=20 Got an hour rest and something to eat on the train,hailed a taxi and got = to the shipping company via Hein Gericke shop, who had everything ready = and waiting for us (we had the mobile phone with us ). The shipping company closed at 15.30, we arrived 15.45, but they had all = papers ready and had the custom to their warehouse and checked out the = bikes. INTERFRACHT can be recommended to the fullest!!!!! When we arrived at the ware house, one bike had a low battery and = neeeded a push start, but we made it . It was hot in full riding gear = and 25-30C.The other bike had the Rifle demounted and also this had to = be put on.At 18.30 we took off north.=20 600 km to the ferrry at Hanstholm and only 5 1/2 hour to make it on!! When we arrived Viborg only 90 minutes left and still 230 km to go. When = we raced (and the Bushtec hangin on like a tie after the bike at 100 = miles an hour) towards Hanstholm. 20 miles from Hanstholm it was either = taking the chance to reach the ferry on time or fill up the tanks. We = drove on and surely the one bike (with the Bushtec) ran out off gas. = Time was now 00.30, pitch black and not a petrol station in sight!!! My = friend took off to try to get some more fuel. All station in the = village nearby was closed, only cash machines and NO Danish money!! He = met some fisherman ang got change. Full search of the vicinity to try to = find something to put the gasoline in. He said it was the cleanest tank = stations he had ever seen! Finally he met a couple in a sail yacht and got a 2 litre plastic = bottle. Filled his own PC to the brim and and the bottle to the cap. = Then he found out that he did not really know where I was left!!! After = 1 1/2 hour he found me and my bike. Got the fuel aboard an headed back = to the gas station to fill up mine. The ferry was long gone by now. Set the course for Hirtshals to get a ferry leaving at 0800 the next = morning, but since we now was a bit tired we (my friend,hmm,hmm) managed = to head south instead and after 50 km we stopped an both asked the same = question. Why is the ocean on the right side?????? Well, we had to turn back and start with an extra unnessecary 100 km in = the luggage!! Both was by now VERY tired and the remaining night was = cold rainy and windy!!! Finally we arrived at Hirtshals at 0630, smelled = the new baked pastry coming from a bakery in the town square and stopped = for a coffe and some rolls. The rest off the trip home was really unventful but I did not manage to = do the customs and got one through today, went to get it licenced but = no, the bikes have american headlights and they will not give me permit = to register them before I have got hold of a E-marked glass.!!! So now I am only looking at them, but I am pumped out so a couple of = days rest will do me good anyway! The rest of the story will follow, (soon I hope) Regards Arvid Norway fullest!!!!!
 
When we arrived at the ware house, one bike had a = low battery=20 and neeeded a push start, but we made it . It was hot in full riding = gear and=20 25-30C.The other bike had the Rifle demounted and also this had to be = put on.At=20 18.30 we took off north.
 
600 km to the ferrry at Hanstholm and only 5 1/2 = hour to make=20 it on!!
 
When we arrived Viborg only 90 = minutes left and=20 still 230 km to go. When we raced (and the Bushtec hangin on like a tie = after=20 the bike at 100 miles an hour) towards Hanstholm.  20 miles from = Hanstholm=20 it was either taking the chance to reach the ferry on time or fill up = the tanks.=20 We drove on and surely the one bike (with the Bushtec) ran out off gas. = Time was=20 now 00.30, pitch black and not a petrol station in sight!!! My friend = took=20 off  to try to get some more fuel. All station in the village = nearby was=20 closed, only cash machines and NO Danish money!! He met some fisherman = ang got=20 change. Full search of the vicinity to try to find something to put the = gasoline=20 in. He said it was the cleanest tank stations he had ever = seen!
Finally he met a couple in a sail yacht and got a 2 = litre=20 plastic bottle. Filled his own PC to the brim and and the bottle to the = cap.=20 Then he found out that he did not really know where I was left!!! After = 1 1/2=20 hour he found me and my bike. Got the fuel aboard an headed back to the = gas=20 station to fill up mine. The ferry was long gone by now.
Set the course for Hirtshals to get a ferry leaving = at 0800=20 the next morning, but since we now was a bit tired we (my = friend,hmm,hmm)=20 managed to head south instead and after 50 km we stopped an both asked = the same=20 question. Why is the ocean on the right side??????
Well, we had to turn back and start with an extra = unnessecary=20 100 km in the luggage!! Both was by now VERY tired and the remaining = night was=20 cold rainy and windy!!! Finally we arrived at Hirtshals at 0630, smelled = the new=20 baked pastry coming from a bakery in the town square and stopped for a = coffe and=20 some rolls.
 
The rest off the trip home was = really unventful=20 but I did not manage to do the customs and got one through today, went = to get it=20 licenced but no, the bikes have american headlights and they will not = give me=20 permit to register them before I have got hold of a E-marked=20 glass.!!!
So now I am only looking at them, = but I am=20 pumped out so a couple of days rest will do me good anyway!
 The rest of the story will follow, (soon I=20 hope)
 
Regards
 
Arvid
Norway
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Aug 98 14:46:00 -0500 From: Kendall Gray To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I was wondering if anyone had used the Kriss headlight modulator. I visited the website, and I am quite, quite impressed. Also.. Does anyone out there have a radio installed? If so. What type.. Helmet or dash board speakers... I am looking to get a radio on board, and I don't see a great many options out there. Kendall 95 Pc800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ernie.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA00081; Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:54:15 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: brian.hopkins@L3.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Headlight modulators, etc. Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:54:51 -0700 > -----Original Message----- > From: brian.hopkins@L3.com [SMTP:brian.hopkins@L3.com] > I ride with my brights on all the time Except when it is very very dark > and everyone has their lights on. I do the exact same thing. It doesn't bother me a bit to see drivers flick their rearview mirrors to "night". Then I know they are aware of me. The only time I use my low beam is when everyone else has lights on. [An advantage of this is that my highbeam and low beam get about equal usage; the high beam in summer, and the low beam in winter.] When I stop to let people use my phone, more than one person has told me they thought I was a police officer. It must be the blue bike, the blue Aerostich, and the police orange reflective vest from Gaul's (which does NOT say "Police" on it). [In the winter I wear a 3m reflective silver vest.] Todd Vierheller '96 R1100RTL, "Rain Dancer" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 15:35:28 -0500 From: Steve Wilson CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: SEE-NICK LIGHTING NOT! Impersonating an officer is highly illegal. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 46 Liter GIVI Bag, Rifle Shield, and too many other options to list. (My Wife might see!) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Scuff Kit, protecting the paint Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 22:32:22 +0200 > My original posting should have said GAS TANK. > FAKE GAS TANK > wears off. If you are properly holding on with your knees, the gas tank > will lose its paint under your knees. (Horses have no handlebars, so riders > hold on with their knees. You should do likewise, so your hands can > steer.) > Todd, I don't get it. It sounds like you squeeze your knees against the ..eh.. airfilter, right ? If so, why ? I never heard / read this was 'proper'. The nice thing about a motorcycle is it leans when it turns. I never saw a horse do this. I can imagine holding on with your knees on a horse because it doesn't lean and because he/she is going up and down all the time. If I ride a bumpy road, you bet I hold on with everything I have. Offcourse I don't ride with my legs spread but squeezing the paint of the .. eh.. airfilter housing seems pretty useless to me. It doesn't change the downforce of my arms on the handlebars, which on itself doens't affect my steering in a negative manner. Maybe it's because we have such smooth roads here : ). But please, educate me... Emile Nossin '90 PC800 " The Flying Dutchman " Santpoort, Holland, Europe Emile@Cybercomm.nl Never look back upon your life and say : " I should have done that.." -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 17:13:31 -0400 To: brian.hopkins@L3.com From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: RE: PC800: Headlight modulators, etc. Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 12:35 PM -0600 8/6/98, brian.hopkins@L3.com wrote: >I ride with my brights on all the time Except when it is very very dark >and everyone has their lights on. I have purchased hotter bulbs for >every bike I've owned. (dual 55/60's in the VFR-intense!) I don't go >to low beam until I see everyone has turned on their lights. I do something similar. I ride with my Tenzo driving lights on even during the day. They certainly are bright enough to attract attention, and since they are mounted under the mirrors, it gives drivers a better way to determine my distance and speed, since they have three lights to use as a point of reference instead of one. I like the idea of a modulator, but with driver's in this area that would serve as a reason to piss them off. fsl Ride as if your life depends on it.....because it does..... (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. X-UID: 0007e868 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 18:34:01 -0400 Subject: PC800: Re: To: kgray@dtn.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: tdavies@sfcs.k12.ny.us (Mr.Tim Davies) kgray@dtn.com,Internet writes: >I was wondering if anyone had used the >Kriss headlight modulator. I visited >the website, and I am quite, quite >impressed. > >Also.. Does anyone out there have a >radio installed? If so. What type.. >Helmet or dash board speakers... I am >looking to get a radio on board, and I >don't see a great many options out >there. > >Kendall >95 Pc800 I installed a Kriss Starburst on my '98 Pacific Coast a couple of weeks ago and it works fine. It took me about an hour and a half and it worked the first time out. I still need to experiment with the light sensor that turns off the modulator automatically at dusk. I'd like it to keep the headlight flashing longer because on dark overcast days it tends to think it is almost night time and shuts off. I think it is just my placement of the sensor inside the faring to the left and below the headlight. I need to move it out into the daylight a bit more. I can't help you with the radio. I just got two Chatterbox helmet communications systems today and they are charging now until tomorrow afternoon. I'm going to try them out for a few days. I like the price, but I like the features of the Collett (www.collett.com) ones for twice the price (of course). I only like to listen to the radio when I am on long trips so something simple is all I need. I also wanted to be able to give another unit to a friend when we go riding for bike to bike communications. I won't get a chance to try that until next week. Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ernie.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA01961; Thu, 06 Aug 1998 16:30:08 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: Emile@Cybercomm.nl, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Scuff Kit, protecting the paint Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:30:44 -0700 > -----Original Message----- > From: Emile Nossin [SMTP:Emile@Cybercomm.nl] > > My original posting should have said GAS TANK. > > > FAKE GAS TANK > Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. True on the PC. Both my previous Honda and my BMW have real gas tanks. > > > If you are properly holding on with your knees, the gas tank > > will lose its paint under your knees. (Horses have no handlebars, so > riders > > hold on with their knees. You should do likewise, so your hands can > > steer.) > > > Todd, I don't get it. It sounds like you squeeze your knees against the > ..eh.. > airfilter, right ? If so, why ? I never heard / read this was 'proper'. > The nice thing about a motorcycle is it leans when it turns. I never saw a > horse do this. > But please, educate me... > > Emile Nossin > Ok, class is in session. During "normal" riding, you can lay down on you back and steer with your feet if you like. (Shifting could be tricky, but you can control the throttle with your foot.) However, when you hit a slick spot and the rear of the bike slides sideways, laying down on the bike and steering with your feet won't cut it, you will fall off. Generally, as you noted, the motorcycle leans in corners (so do horses by the way -- it's one of those laws of physics things) and you can just sit there passively. However, there are times when a motorcycle gets a little bit squirrelly (horses do this with much greater frequency). At these times, you cannot just sit there passively and stay on the bike. You have to hold on. The nature of these squirrelly times is that they can be unpredictable and occur suddenly before you know it (otherwise you would just avoid them altogether). If you have the proper HABITS, it can mean the difference between staying up and going down. One of those habits is holding on with your legs. When a motorcycle is wildly out of control (this happens in a variety of ways) it is not the time to think through your options and then decide what to do. It is also not a time to have a death grip on the handlebars with steering input being adversely affected by your attempts to hold on with your hands. Typically when a motorcycle gets squirrelly, steering quickly and precisely is necessary. If you have developed the habit of holding on with your knees, you will drive out of bad situations instead of sliding out of them. (Or in some cases instead of being thrown off of the bike in a high side.) How does a bike get squirrelly? 1. You lock the front brake without realizing it in the rain (in the dark), and you are more than halfway to the pavement when you realize the problem. (Less than a second - you'd be surprised.) This was the result of a panic stop in traffic, so now you have two problems to deal with. Good, responsive, deft steering input will be required. Slow, sluggish, weighed down steering input won't cut it. 2. Going around a corner, your rear tire hits something slick that you didn't see, and suddenly shifts sideways by one to several feet. Pucker time. Again, holding on to the handlebars to stay on the bike will probably affect your steering input enough to make an accident out of what otherwise might be only a few moments of extreme excitement. 3. You get hit broadside by a car which suddenly swerves hard into the side of your bike which pushes you over 3 feet across the lane in a fraction of a second. Actually this one requires surprisingly little steering input, IF you are still sitting on the bike and have NOT turned the handlebars in an attempt to hold on. (My legs were sore for a week!) 4. Your rear wheel locks up at 70+ mph. (broken bearing, thrown chain) Not too challenging actually. These are examples from my own experience. (I have lots more.) In every case, the exertion of the forces on my body were not straight down to the seat of the motorcycle. In each case I hung on with my legs while my upper body remained flexible and loose. I think it helps. YMMV. I admit that riding in rush hour traffic and riding in the dark and in the rain probably gives me a higher likelihood of encountering such situations. But don't kid yourself into thinking that you are such a good rider that you will never get caught by one of these traps. (Or any of a multitude of others.) Other examples are dead animals in the road (and blood), a dog that gets caught in the spokes (no hope if its the front), a blow out of either the front or the rear tire, a short patch of black ice. I have either experienced or known someone who experienced these things. (The dog that stuck it's head through the front wheel of my friend's bike was the worst. It didn't do either the dog or my friend any good.) Class is over. This lesson was worth what you paid for it. I won't be offended if you ignore it. Todd Vierheller '96 R1100RTL, "Rain Dancer" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. X-UID: 0007e878 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 19:47:39 -0400 Subject: PC800: Rifle Windshield To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: tdavies@sfcs.k12.ny.us (Mr.Tim Davies) I just got through installing a Rifle windshield on my 1998 Pacific Coast (about 1.5 hours). I bought the 22 inch version so when it is attached to the black plastic "Air Balance base" (it is a two piece windshield rather than a one piece like the stock one) it ends up to be about 27.5 inches or 3 inches taller than my original windshield. Just the right amount of extra height to get my helmet out of the wind. Hurray!! I do look through the windshield though (I'm 6"1"), but that does not bother me. I have sent some before and after pictures to the Pacific Coast website (http://members.tripod.com/~pc800 ) so you can see the difference in appearance. I don't know when Neill will have a chance to upload them though, so I can't tell you when to start looking for them. He does a nice job on his site that serves us all well, so when he gets a chance, that will be soon enough. I wish I had known about the ClearView shield before ordering this one because I would have liked to compare them first. Oh well, maybe next time. Generally speaking the quality of the Rifle is very good. I did have 2 problems with fitting it back on my Pacific Coast though. There is a hole in the bottom center of the "Air Balance base" that is drilled too small for the metal sleeve that goes around the original screw. I had to file it larger (don't use a drill!!). The other problem was with the hole cut in the "Air Balance base" for the stock grill. In the bending process it got deformed on the right side and I also had to do some filing here to make the grill fit in and line up with everything else. Just poor quality control at the factory. I love the new feel of this windshield, but I like the look of the stock windshield ( I do like the look of the Rifle better than the taller windshield that is available from Honda). I think Rifle could use a few lessons in the asthetics deparment when it comes to fastening the windshield to the "Air Balance base". Too many exposed phillips head screws and a wide seam where the clear plastic meets the base. I also miss the HONDA name on the front. As another Coaster said "It looks like I'm riding a Rifle motorcycle now" The one advantage to having it screwed in place on a separate base it that now I can easily change to a shorter or taller Rifle windshield if I like, just by buying the clear plastic part. The change over would probably take about 20 minutes Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 17:06:44 -0700 (PDT) From: John La Subject: Re: PC800: SEE-NICK LIGHTING Maybe you could spell out P O L I T E instead.... Who could argue? John > > > FOOD FOR THOT ... OR NOT! > > Now that I've seen Harrison's (SCPCRC) blue Californeon on his > white PC .... I want some. I want it NOW. It's really neat!! I'd also > like a band of red to go with it. > > PICTURE THIS: A white PC with bands of (police) blue and red > lighting around its girth. And? And on the back are peel'n stik letters > spelling it out: > > not (2" letters) P O L I C E (5" letters). > > Ann > '89 PC GHOSTY WITHout THE MOSTY > Thu. 8.6.98 10:50 MST > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. via SMTP by server8.wans.net, id smtpdAAAa001PZ; Thu Aug 6 19:10:55 1998 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Craig Carter" To: "Kendall Gray" , Subject: PC800: RE: Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:08:42 -0500 Importance: Normal Kendall, I would recommend you check out the Kisan PathBlazer. Just received mine in the mail and it's great! It just plugs into the lamp, and the harness plugs into it--no extra mounting. It's very compact (the smallest of all units I've seen) and requires not wire cutting at all. I purchased the 115W model so I can upgrade my headlamp. It was only $85 plus $3 shipping. Their 75W model is even cheaper if you use the regular bulb. http://www.kisantech.com Craig '95 PC800 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of > Kendall Gray > Sent: Thursday, August 06, 1998 2:46 PM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: > > > I was wondering if anyone had used the > Kriss headlight modulator. I visited > the website, and I am quite, quite > impressed. > > Also.. Does anyone out there have a > radio installed? If so. What type.. > Helmet or dash board speakers... I am > looking to get a radio on board, and I > don't see a great many options out > there. > > Kendall > 95 Pc800 > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 20:21:51 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: I got her! Yep, definitely a her. The ACE was more of a guy, but this bike is definitely a she. I picked her up about 3 hours ago (New '97, 1 mile). I wish I could say I just got in from a long ride, but the weather here is not great and I still had the suit on underneith the rainsuit and wanted to get home. Anyway, she needed a cleaning and good polishing. So, is this going to be a love/hate relationship. If it is a she, I guess that it would be appropriate. I love the color, I hate the little plastic part that sticks out by the kickstand (going to hit it everytime), I love the handling (this bike craves corners, most of the ride home was on boring straight roads and you could hear her calling me to some twisty roads, and boy did I want to go, every corner was like, hooha, I am going to love this), I hate (and kinda love) her wanting to go (she is going to get me in some kind of trouble, 65 like that and minimal turbulance on roads restricted to 55; no tickets in 20 years and this bike is going to get me some, he he). I love the style. I hate the way the plastic holds the heat for so long. I love the way she looks from the side (sport tourer, yehhh). I hate the way she looks from the back (Helix on steroids, blahhhhh). I love the way she sounds like a V-Twin when stopped and smooths out quietly at speed. I love the way she feels. Questions oh mighty ones. Red paint purty, but getting paint on cloths when applying Maguires polish. This is fairly non-abrasive according to Consumer Reports. Is this the nature of the beast (red paint) because I have a Red pickup that has done the same for the last 10 years worth of polishing but get nothing off my Teal Wing, Green car, and blue and white ACE? What do you use? Do you use Armor All (or its equivalent) on the black bottom of bike (97's and 98's)? Want the trunk light, but can you install it yourself? Horn, you got to be kidding. Are car horns plug and play? Idleing at stop. Some kind of rattle out the back, comes and goes. Sounds like something in the exhaust. Anyone with similar? Observations: Gonna have to get a new windshield. Look a good 8 inches over the standard shield. A clearview is probably in my future, but I will wait until winter and hopefully they will have a sheild with some gradiant tint at the bottom. I ran the ACE without a windshield until this year, so I am used to wind. This ain't bad (buffeting is fine) but it is a little too loud above 55. That ducktail is just begging for some cool lights (built in and smooth). Folks, I believe this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship. TommyTeal -- 93SE(Teal, you think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast 98V-Star(Red? you bet) GWTA of Michigan web site http://my.voyager.net/gwta/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 17:50:06 -0700 (PDT) From: John La Subject: Re: PC800: I got her! To: gwta@voyager.net, pclist Thomas- Congratulations on the new PC! I can address 2 of your questions. I had my bike 2 years before I got the courage to pull off the faring plastic (I broke a few tabs, so follow the manual if you can) and installed 2 air horns (purchased from the mega-type autoparts store). This saved my hide at least once. I used plastic tie wraps and got the compressor and both horns hidden and out of the way. I'm glad I did it but I wouldn't want to do it again. The chrome thing that looks like the exhaust is a thin cover over the actual exhaust. Put a washer under the screews holding it on. This solved the rattle for me (after listening to it for a year). YMMV. Hope this helps. John ---Thomas Ongstad wrote: > > Yep, definitely a her. The ACE was more of a guy, but this bike is > definitely a she. > > I picked her up about 3 hours ago (New '97, 1 mile). I wish I could say > I just got in from a long ride, but the weather here is not great and I > still had the suit on underneith the rainsuit and wanted to get home. > Anyway, she needed a cleaning and good polishing. > > So, is this going to be a love/hate relationship. If it is a she, I > guess that it would be appropriate. > I love the color, I hate the little plastic part that sticks out by the > kickstand (going to hit it everytime), I love the handling (this bike > craves corners, most of the ride home was on boring straight roads and > you could hear her calling me to some twisty roads, and boy did I want > to go, every corner was like, hooha, I am going to love this), I hate > (and kinda love) her wanting to go (she is going to get me in some kind > of trouble, 65 like that and minimal turbulance on roads restricted to > 55; no tickets in 20 years and this bike is going to get me some, he > he). I love the style. I hate the way the plastic holds the heat for so > long. I love the way she looks from the side (sport tourer, yehhh). I > hate the way she looks from the back (Helix on steroids, blahhhhh). I > love the way she sounds like a V-Twin when stopped and smooths out > quietly at speed. > I love the way she feels. > > Questions oh mighty ones. > > Red paint purty, but getting paint on cloths when applying Maguires > polish. This is fairly non-abrasive according to Consumer Reports. Is > this the nature of the beast (red paint) because I have a Red pickup > that has done the same for the last 10 years worth of polishing but get > nothing off my Teal Wing, Green car, and blue and white ACE? What do > you use? > > Do you use Armor All (or its equivalent) on the black bottom of bike > (97's and 98's)? > > Want the trunk light, but can you install it yourself? > > Horn, you got to be kidding. Are car horns plug and play? > > Idleing at stop. Some kind of rattle out the back, comes and goes. > Sounds like something in the exhaust. Anyone with similar? > > Observations: > > Gonna have to get a new windshield. Look a good 8 inches over the > standard shield. A clearview is probably in my future, but I will wait > until winter and hopefully they will have a sheild with some gradiant > tint at the bottom. I ran the ACE without a windshield until this year, > so I am used to wind. This ain't bad (buffeting is fine) but it is a > little too loud above 55. > > That ducktail is just begging for some cool lights (built in and > smooth). > > > Folks, I believe this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship. > > TommyTeal > -- > 93SE(Teal, you think?) > 95Hannigan > 95ACE (got to go) > 97Pacific Coast > 98V-Star(Red? you bet) > GWTA of Michigan web site http://my.voyager.net/gwta/ > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > == PC800 FAQ now online! Check it out- http://hhd.csun.edu/john/pcfaq.htm _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Thomas Brown" To: , Subject: RE: PC800: I got her! Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 17:53:40 -0700 Importance: Normal I don't know if writing styles can smile, but if they can, yours did :) > Want the trunk light, but can you install it yourself? > Piece of cake, requires a little plastic cutting, Dremel is good for it, but a good utility knife does the job. Be careful with the trunk sensor and aligning the wires when you install the sensor part. You might plan on doing the brake light and trunk light at the same time so you don't have to remove the dove tail and reseal it twice. > Horn, you got to be kidding. Are car horns plug and play? > Air horns can be had for about $20 and are a firm recommendation. My attracts attention. > Idleing at stop. Some kind of rattle out the back, comes and goes. > Sounds like something in the exhaust. Anyone with similar? > I think this is do to the cooky way they attach the muffler cover. You might try checking the bolts holding it on and see if there is a place you can put an insulating washer. Enjoy and welcome to the smile brigade tom -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 21:12:51 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: John La CC: pclist Subject: Re: PC800: I got her! John La wrote: > The chrome thing that looks like the exhaust is a thin cover over the > actual exhaust. Put a washer under the screews holding it on. This > solved the rattle for me (after listening to it for a year). > > YMMV. Hope this helps. > > John Thank you John, That helps a lot. I will do that this weekend. TommyTeal -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 21:19:00 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: Thomas Brown CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: I got her! Thomas Brown wrote: > > I don't know if writing styles can smile, but if they can, yours did :) I haven't stopped grinen since I got home. > Piece of cake, requires a little plastic cutting, Dremel is good for it, but a > Air horns can be had for about $20 and are a firm recommendation. My attracts > attention. > I think this is do to the cooky way they attach the muffler cover. You might > try checking the bolts holding it on and see if there is a place you can put an > insulating washer. > > Enjoy and welcome to the smile brigade > > tom Thank you. I have saved this message (along with all other helpful advice I get) and will access it again when I go to make the changes and additions. Now if the weather would just clear a little, I am gone, solid gone. :-) TommyTeal -- 93SE(Teal, you think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast 98V-Star(Red? you bet) GWTA of Michigan web site http://my.voyager.net/gwta/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:30:41 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: patkins@mari.net (Paul B. Atkins) Subject: Re: PC800: headlight modulator works At 9:15 AM 8/6/98, gwta@voyager.net wrote: >Paul B. Atkins wrote: >> >> Hello my friends, >> just more anectodal evidence to support using the modulator...I was riding >> my bike behind a coworker in her car the other day. She drives a >> convertible with a badly fogged rear plastic window. She said she was >> constantly thinking a police car was behind her since she could still see >> the modulating light in the plastic. >> "Great" I thought..that's what I want..to be seen as to not be shmucked. >> I have noticed significantly different reactions from car drivers as I move >> through town and on the highway.. the eyes stop to see what is making the >> light flash, as opposed to the sometimes "glazed over" look as they look >> for cars, and NOT for bikes. >> Also started me wondering...anyone ever been pulled over by an officer who >> was not aware that modulators were legal? >> Later, >> Paul >> >> Paul Atkins >> patkins@mari.net >> 1996 PC800 > >Have thought about these for the new bike. Do you just plug them in or >is there a major ordeal involved in getting them to work. > >Also, I do believe they would be illegal (technically) in Michigan. >Michigan law clearly prohibits modulating, flashing lights. I guess >that is why you do not see them here. >-- >93SE (Teal, You Think?) >95Hannigan >95ACE (got to go) >97Pacific Coast (on the way) >98V-Star (Red, you bet) >GWTA #6871 >GWTA of Michigan Web Page http://my.voyager.net/gwta No, in terms of installation, not a big deal for the handy.I am not, so had the dealer install...just a plug into the headlight, and a wire with a light sensor that installed under the left crash bar. No drilling required. Paul -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:30:48 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: patkins@mari.net (Paul B. Atkins) Subject: Re: PC800: headlight modulator works > >I have mixed feelings about headlight modulators. There is no doubt that >they get noticed, but I wouldn't want to get stuck in front of one on a long >stretch of two lane where you couldn't pass me. Some other things that >bother me are school buses with the strobe on top. I think it would be >better if they only came on when the bus was stopping, or stopped. Have >you ever followed one for miles at night? Quite annoying. Same thing >with tow trucks, they should definitely use their emergency lights at the >scene of a wreck or breakdown, but do they have to leave them on while >traveling down the road? Man, I agree about those school strobe lights. As for my travelling down a two lane road, I guess I would consider turning them off for a stretch. > >It's a shame we have to worry so much about drivers with that "glazed >over" look. It'll probably get worse before it gets better. Too many of >todays drivers think of driving as a passive activity. It seems so easy, >that they think it's O.K. to do everything else but drive. i.e. cellphoning, >reading, I have seen people reading paperback novels at the wheel of >cars traveling at least 80 miles an hour! Women doing their nails, and >people eating are also high on my list of stupid driving tricks. Of course >someday all cars will be so automated, running by internal sensing systems >that we won't have to worry, right? Let's hope there will be a time when we don't have to worry AS MUCH. I have a good friend who is a Roman Catholic nun..I asked her if I would be able to ride my bike without a helmet in heaven. She said "If you need to ride your motorcycle in heaven with out a helmet, to be happy in heaven, then there will be motorcycles and no helmets".. Something to think about, eh? Paul > >Bill Johnson >89PC800 >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Paul Atkins patkins@mari.net 1996 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:30:56 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: patkins@mari.net (Paul B. Atkins) Subject: RE: PC800: Headlight modulators, etc. Brian, I tend to agree with your line of reasoning. It is VERY SCARY to see the glazed over look as I drive by cage drivers. They literally don't see me. I believe I must do everything I can do, legally, to be seen. I want to stay alive. I drive convervatively and within my limits. I enjoy the ride and that's all. I like what you've written, Paul At 1:42 PM 8/6/98, brian.hopkins@L3.com wrote: >Ok, maybe I'm a bad man but personally I don't really care about the >other car drivers out there. >They don't see me and they don't care about me (trust me I'll attest to >this TWICE this morning). > >I ride with my brights on all the time Except when it is very very dark >and everyone has their lights on. I have purchased hotter bulbs for >every bike I've owned. (dual 55/60's in the VFR-intense!) I don't go >to low beam until I see everyone has turned on their lights. In the >morning, the instant I count three cars without lights on my brights go >on. (as therefore, if they don't need lights, then it must be daytime). >Now, if I'm stuck on a long stretch where I'm not getting by anyone for >a long time, I'll go to low, but never in the city where it is super >dangerous. > >I don't have modulators on my bikes. (don't like 'em) but personally I >hope they do think I'm a cop. Keeps them sane and alert. > >I think of cars as big rolling rocks. They have no mind of their own. >They are inclined to go any which way they want and they are just out to >crush me. > >Is this a super aggressive and paranoid way of viewing the world? Yes. >And I don't recommend that everyone should ride the way I do. >(including NEVER riding behind semi/large trucks/vans/etc, constant lane >positioning, etc) but it works for me. > >Just another viewpoint in this great big goofy world of us. > >Stay safe. > >Brian D. Hopkins >'97 PC800 >'96 VFR >HSTA # something, its on the other computer :-) Paul Atkins patkins@mari.net 1996 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:31:15 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: patkins@mari.net (Paul B. Atkins) Subject: RE: PC800: Headlight modulators, etc. > > >I do something similar. I ride with my Tenzo driving lights on even during >the day. They certainly are bright enough to attract attention, and since >they are mounted under the mirrors, it gives drivers a better way to >determine my distance and speed, since they have three lights to use as a >point of reference instead of one. I like the idea of a modulator, but >with driver's in this area that would serve as a reason to piss them off. > > >fsl Francois, I have not come across the pissed off driver due to my modulator, Paul Paul Atkins patkins@mari.net 1996 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:31:09 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: patkins@mari.net (Paul B. Atkins) Subject: Re: PC800: headlight modulator works At 3:41 PM 8/6/98, Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com wrote: >Message text written by Paul B. Atkins >>...anyone ever been pulled over by an officer who >was not aware that modulators were legal? >Later, >Paul > >Paul Atkins >patkins@mari.net >1996 PC800< > >I've been using a headlight modulator for years, and have never been pulled >over by anyone, friend or foe! > >Dana I thought of you, Dana when I posted my message..I hoped you'd answer the way you did. I also remember you writing that you sometimes turn your's off when riding behind someone for a fair distance, right? Paul Paul Atkins patkins@mari.net 1996 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) 7 Aug 1998 01:47:23 +0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 18:34:19 -0500 From: Mike & Cindy Ver Velde Subject: Re: PC800: Half Helmets, Etc. To: John Scalisi , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Interesting discussion here about the half helment and the messages quoted below... When I was an Wilderness Instructor, I sort of specialized in search and rescue (meaning, got lots of training in that short of becoming certified). While I am all for less government intervention in our daily activities, there is an area where personal responsibility kicks in... Example- some time ago a group went hiking up Mt. Hood in Washington. The group looked out the window and remarked, "Its a beautiful day, no need to bring all that extra clothing...blah blah blah" Lo and behold, a freak Blizzard enveloped the mountain and the group found themselves saying "who is the idiot who said not to bring warm clothes or come prepared?". Well, they all died. Required helicopter rescue, cost the taxpayers a bundle of moola. This issue sparked the debate about who should be paying for expensive rescues and the like when people make stupid decisions?... From this, a decision has been made and is being more widely accepted all over. If you screw up and require expensive services (medical, search/rescue, etc) YOU WILL BE BILLED! And... Yes, you have the right do pursue any legal activity you wish, however dangerous it is. If by chance something happens and you require a rescue... We will be there. BUT DO NOT ABUSE THIS PRIVILEGE!. So I guess related to helments and protective gear in general, Wear what you want, but I believe we all need to accept some personal responsibility and not say "Its my head, I can do whatever I want!" Someone else has to clean up your mess and pay the costs. Thats selfish. Its like leaving your spouse and kids with a huge debt, funeral costs, greiving, lost income, bills, when you had the money to at least get some insurance to ease that burden... Just my 2 bucks worth... Mike V. (signing off today as Im going on vacation thru next week to this little place that nobody knows about called Lake Tahoe... ciao) >> Re: The argument for one paying for the consequences of one's own risky behavior (whatever *that* unidentifyable thing is) without burdening society... (snip) >> The trust I have in maybe being "rescued" if my climb fails, vehicle >crashes, bones break etc, makes it possible for me to reach beyond where I am now. This can only be good for the species. If we all fail alone, thru our faults or accident, with no support ...then our knowledge, spirit and ambition may fail as well. We may find soon that we are risking much if we risk a little. Freedom and "safety" seldom go hand in hand. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. X-UID: 0007e88f ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 21:49:44 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: I got her! To: gwta@voyager.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: tdavies@sfcs.k12.ny.us (Mr.Tim Davies) Tommy, Glad to see you finally got your baby. Mine is 3 weeks old tomorrow and I still love it. I can give you some input on some of your questions: -I don't have a rattle in the rear end (my Pacific Coast that is) -I would avoid anything that gives you a red cloth after polishing. I have just started using some things I picked up at the Honda Homecoming in July. They are from Cycle Care (www.cyclecare.com) and they have a whole line of great products just for cleaning and polishing everything on a motorcycle. They gave me a sample of their liquid polish (#3) and it was enough to do the whole bike once. I was on the internet ordering more that afternoon. Easy on and easy off with no paint removal (or new hand pinstriping removal). At the Homecoming I bought their #33 which is a spray and wipe polish and cleaner. It works great between polishing on everything (paint, chrome, windshield, lower black area). I use it on my helmet too. Gets all the bugs off and never leaves any scratches. I highly recommend their whole product line. Check out their website for all the info. They'll probably send you samples if you ask. Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 gwta@voyager.net,Internet writes: >Yep, definitely a her. The ACE was more of a guy, but this bike is >definitely a she. > >I picked her up about 3 hours ago (New '97, 1 mile). I wish I could say >I just got in from a long ride, but the weather here is not great and I >still had the suit on underneith the rainsuit and wanted to get home. >Anyway, she needed a cleaning and good polishing. > >So, is this going to be a love/hate relationship. If it is a she, I >guess that it would be appropriate. >I love the color, I hate the little plastic part that sticks out by the >kickstand (going to hit it everytime), I love the handling (this bike >craves corners, most of the ride home was on boring straight roads and >you could hear her calling me to some twisty roads, and boy did I want >to go, every corner was like, hooha, I am going to love this), I hate >(and kinda love) her wanting to go (she is going to get me in some kind >of trouble, 65 like that and minimal turbulance on roads restricted to >55; no tickets in 20 years and this bike is going to get me some, he >he). I love the style. I hate the way the plastic holds the heat for so >long. I love the way she looks from the side (sport tourer, yehhh). I >hate the way she looks from the back (Helix on steroids, blahhhhh). I >love the way she sounds like a V-Twin when stopped and smooths out >quietly at speed. >I love the way she feels. > >Questions oh mighty ones. > >Red paint purty, but getting paint on cloths when applying Maguires >polish. This is fairly non-abrasive according to Consumer Reports. Is >this the nature of the beast (red paint) because I have a Red pickup >that has done the same for the last 10 years worth of polishing but get >nothing off my Teal Wing, Green car, and blue and white ACE? What do >you use? > >Do you use Armor All (or its equivalent) on the black bottom of bike >(97's and 98's)? > >Want the trunk light, but can you install it yourself? > >Horn, you got to be kidding. Are car horns plug and play? > >Idleing at stop. Some kind of rattle out the back, comes and goes. >Sounds like something in the exhaust. Anyone with similar? > >Observations: > >Gonna have to get a new windshield. Look a good 8 inches over the >standard shield. A clearview is probably in my future, but I will wait >until winter and hopefully they will have a sheild with some gradiant >tint at the bottom. I ran the ACE without a windshield until this year, >so I am used to wind. This ain't bad (buffeting is fine) but it is a >little too loud above 55. > >That ducktail is just begging for some cool lights (built in and >smooth). > > >Folks, I believe this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship. > >TommyTeal >-- >93SE(Teal, you think?) >95Hannigan >95ACE (got to go) >97Pacific Coast >98V-Star(Red? you bet) >GWTA of Michigan web site http://my.voyager.net/gwta/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) 7 Aug 1998 01:56:35 +0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 18:52:56 -0500 From: Mike & Cindy Ver Velde Subject: PC800: Headlight Modulators To: PC800 email boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01BDC16B.6C904EA0" Did someone say that one company makes one that stops modulating when = you switch your lights to low beam? It wasnt Kriss, the other "K" = company.. Mike -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. X-UID: 0007e895 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 22:02:55 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Headlight Modulators To: m.vervelde@mci2000.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: tdavies@sfcs.k12.ny.us (Mr.Tim Davies) m.vervelde@mci2000.com,Internet writes: >Did someone say that one company makes one that stops modulating when you >switch your lights to low beam? It wasnt Kriss, the other "K" company.. > >Mike I have a Kriss Starburst and it stops anythime you go to low beam, or if the light sensor tells it that darkness is falling. The other one is the Kisan PathBlazer (http://www.kisantech.com). "Craig Carter" (ccarter@wans.net) posted some information about the one he has just a few hours ago. Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. X-UID: 0007e899 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 22:13:47 -0400 Subject: PC800: Re: chatterbox To: mdlinkous@netlinkcorp.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: tdavies@sfcs.k12.ny.us (Mr.Tim Davies) mdlinkous@netlinkcorp.com,Internet writes: >noticed that you have the chatterbox system. i am naxious to find out how >you like them. My uncle has a set and said therre was too much wind >noise... and he wears a full face helmet. BUT, that was 3-4 yrs ago, >probably improved now! > >If you don't mind, let me (and/or the list) know what you think.... I like >the price too. I'll let you know as soon as my riding partner gets back from a family reunion. I got mine for $129.95 each from Motorcycle Accessory Depot on the Internet (http://www.motodepot.com/). Confirmation of order by email and 2nd day delivery. I can't wait until my initial 14 hour charge is complete so I can try them. I just hope the charges after the initial one are shorter! I didn't see anything in the documentation about battery life or recharge time. They do have a battery charger that you can use with your motorcycle battery (rather than having to plug into an AC outlet) though that looks like a neat thing for traveling. Keep one charging while using one. Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by PM03SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27035) 7 Aug 1998 02:15:10 +0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 19:11:30 -0500 From: Mike & Cindy Ver Velde Subject: PC800: Green PC To: PC800 email boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01BDC16E.0504B5C0" Hey- on this mornings commute... saw a Green PC go by (with silver = lower trim). Interesting color. Looked nice. Few minutes later, saw a = black PC... Hey, there are a heck of alot more PC's out there than are = on the list! Mike -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by PM05SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) 7 Aug 1998 02:17:30 +0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 19:13:51 -0500 From: Mike & Cindy Ver Velde Subject: PC800: Honda Fire Sale To: PC800 email boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01BDC16E.58BBADE0" Just received MCN today... apparently the PC800 is not the only bike = that had a "fire sale" recently... BMW did, and so did a couple = others... Had nothing to do with discontinuing a model... whew... A = Honda dealer posted this info wanting to let other dealers and riders = know about the price cuts. =20 Mike -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 21:32:00 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: "Mr.Tim Davies" CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Rifle Windshield But be careful. I split my shield trying to peel it off the foam on the base. It stuck. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 46 Liter GIVI Bag, Rifle Shield, and too many other options to list. (My Wife might see!) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. X-UID: 0007e8a3 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 22:32:12 -0400 Subject: PC800: Throttlemeister Cruise Control Info To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: richard.mcdonald@sympatico.ca From: tdavies@sfcs.k12.ny.us (Mr.Tim Davies) In searching around for information about the Throttlemeister Cruise Control I ran across a super Internet resource by Richard McDonald of Kanata, Ontario, Canada (http://www.iosphere.net/~mcdonald/throt.htm). He has excellent photographs (very professional) of the installation and a good description of the use of the device. He installed it on his Kawasaki (I guess not every one can be a Honda Pacific Coast owner), but it would be the same on any bike. Richard also provided this information---------------- They're made and sold by: Dell Fisher Marker Machine Inc. 5240 N. 124th St. Milwaukee, WI 53225 Phone: 414.464.6060 FAX: 414.464.9423 Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (IPAD 2.05) id 6201700 ; Thu, 06 Aug 1998 22:39:02 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 22:39:44 -0400 From: Scot Piper To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: another shield modification I shortened my Honda tall shield by 2" tonight using a band saw. I just could not stand looking through it any longer. I took a flat cut across the top and then rounded the edges at a sharper curve than before. It really looks like a Rifle shield on top. Works great, I'm looking 1-2" over the top but it's still quiet as before. Great view! I never did write a letter to Rifle about upgrading their mounting system to larger fastners and a "retainer bar" such as the stock Honda mounting system. Perhaps I'll eventually get around to doing it, but if I did replace my shield, I'd go with a Clearview shield (once they add the dark mask option to cover the gasket in the front). For $50 less than a Rifle, seems like you can't go wrong with Clearview. Of course, this is just my personal opinion, I'm sure there are many who prefer the Rifle. It's definitely easier to change shield heights for those inclined to have 2 sizes for different seasons. An update on my jacket search - I'm going to purchase Jeff Leech's Motoport Canyon jacket. He said it's a 1993 jacket and has a "mylar" liner. I've never heard of that. Anyone know how a 1993 jacket compares to today's Canyon? Can I buy a replacement liner, perhaps upgrade to the thinsulate? How about replacement armor/padding? Or does that never wear out? Finally, how often do you replace spark plugs? I think the manual says 8000 miles (or is it 16,000?). NGK? Thanks. Scot '89 PC800 18,650 miles ------------ ps. this is kind of a weird idea that just came to me (it's late) but how about a game on the list to create the "ideal" year 2000 PC800??? I'll start the list: 1. Swap in the V-4 fuel injected 781 cc engine from the VFR Interceptor. 2. Add a bigger gas tank. 3. Add a more comfortable seat. 4. Have built in GPS. 5. Have built in radar. 6. Offer multiple colors. 7. ? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:07:26 -0400 To: scotp1965@mdn.net, PC800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: another shield modification At 10:39 PM -0400 8/6/98, Scot Piper wrote: >ps. this is kind of a weird idea that just came to me (it's late) but >how about a game on the list to create the "ideal" year 2000 PC800??? > >I'll start the list: > >1. Swap in the V-4 fuel injected 781 cc engine from the VFR >Interceptor. >2. Add a bigger gas tank. >3. Add a more comfortable seat. >4. Have built in GPS. >5. Have built in radar. >6. Offer multiple colors. >7. ? Okay...here we go again..... I guess we haven't had the "What's a perfect PC800" discussion in a few months... My choice for a Year 2000 PC800? 1 - a better electrical output. 2 - a 6th gear to add to the exisitng 5, to lower my rpm's when highway driving. This would also increase my range, and address the small gas tank issue. 3 - an extra inch of width in the trunk so that an XL Arai fits comfortably. That's it for me.... If I wanted more power, I would have bought the Concours. If I wanted better handling I would have bought the VFR. If I wanted a better seat I would have bought a Virago If I wanted better weather protection I would have bought a Wing. If I wanted better handling I would have bought a Ninja 600 If I wanted more prestige I would have bought the K1200RS. If I wanted a bigger trunk I would have bought an Accord If I wanted a bigger payment I would have bought a Harley. If I wanted better mileage I would have bought the Helix If I wanted better sex-appeal I would have bought a Ducati. If I wanted a bigger insurance payment I would have bought a Honda CBR1100XX If I wanted more torque I would have bought one of those V8 Cruisers from Australia. ...but.... If I wanted all these things so bad, I wouldn't have ever bought a PC800! Ride safe everyone. (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: gwta@voyager.net cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Happy Clearview Shield Owner of "Thu, 06 Aug 1998 08:47:11 EDT." <35C9A5CF.5569@voyager.net> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 22:08:41 -0500 Thomas Ongstad writes: > David Kelly wrote: > > > > "John Scalisi" writes: > > > I purchased my 1990 PC800 last year and it already had a Rifle > > > windshield installed. I do not have the original stock windshield. My > > > question is, if I wanted to put a Clearview windshield on are there any > > > stock components I would be missing since I don't have the original > > > shield? Or, can I simply remove the Rifle and install the Clearview? > > > Any help? > > > > You would be missing the shouldered washers and the large rubber gasket > > everyone is complaining about seeing thru the Clearview shield. > > > > '98 PC800W, "Macintosh" > > David, > > Could you expand on this? I may end up getting a larger shield, and > yours is the first message to say something negative about the > Clearview. Can you tell me what you see with the Clearview on that you > do not see with the standard Hondaline shield? The factory Honda windshield has a lower section painted or stained black. This section is over a rubber gasket which runs the full width left to right, and around the grill/air hole. Its about 4 or 5" high in the middle. The Clearview is totally clear all the way up and down. So when it mounts over this black rubber gasket the contact points of the gasket deflect and present a different color. Read the archives closer and you'll see others discussing the same thing. Looking for ways to paint or otherwise cover the bottom of the Clearview. I saw a Clearview installed on a 1997 PC before purchasing my Rifle. Didn't think the rubber gasket was that bad. Was more concerned with the potential for UV degradation of this gasket which is covered (and protected) in a pure factory installation. What I didn't like about the Clearview was some of the complex bends it had. Bends around the bottom left and right. Needed to accommodate a wider windshield. Think there was a little lip at the top too. Couldn't tell the Clearview did anything but attempt to clone Honda's form but with a larger size. Think the angle is the same. One of my largest complaints was the back pressure and turbulence in what ought to be the quiet pocket behind the stock Honda fairing. Lost several pens out of my shirt pocket, several times, in my first 500 miles. Didn't get a clear indication Clearview addressed that issue. Rifle advertises both less turbulence and less back pressure. The shape of the Rifle is decidedly different. The Rifle windshield appears to be a simple section of a large diameter cylinder. Honda's is more like a cut out of an egg with no flat lines. Rifle uses a black transition section to conform the PC's plastic to the shape of the Rifle windshield. This section looks to be made of the same stuff pickup truck bed liners use. And formed the same way. Don't know if Rifle produced a bad batch of these and never recalled them but prior to my purchase have seen others post exactly the same complaints as I have: mounting holes didn't line up, grill wouldn't fit in the provided opening. Dremel tool solved my mounting problems. Then I noticed the clear windshield didn't fit square with the base. Right two holes in the base are high. I'll try redrilling them as that would be easier than sending it back. Bought the 24" Rifle (tallest) which works out to 29", or 6" over stock. As claimed there is less back pressure. And less turbulence. What I have noticed is increased airflow over my arms. This isn't a bad thing, it allows me to open the sleeves of my Cortech 3/4 jacket and tunnel some cooling air up my arms. Might not be as nice in the rain. Not sure if there really is in increase in air over the hands and arms with the Rifle or if its just a matter of less air moving around behind the Rifle that makes hand air appear greater. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Rifle Windshield of "Thu, 06 Aug 1998 21:32:00 CDT." <35CA6720.10839FB1@linknet.net> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 22:12:00 -0500 Steve Wilson writes: > > But be careful. I split my shield trying to peel it off the foam on the > base. It stuck. I didn't move slowly. Had a few problems. Took 90 minutes to remove the factory shield and replace it with a Rifle. Including time to dig out my Dremel tool and make some corrections. Including time I dropped bolts down the PC's full dress and had to dig them out. Including the time to put my tools away. '98 PC800W, "Macintosh" -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 21:32:25 -0700 (PDT) env-from (davidwh@crl.com) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Kong" To: Subject: PC800: Nice Texas Night Ride Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:32:34 -0500 After the rain we had on Wednesday and Thursday, I absolutely HAD to get out on the Coaster. Rode about 20 miles to a friend's house (it was a little late and school had started for them, so I didn't want to stay long) I could smell the evergreens, nice cool wind....marvelous. By the way, I kept my legs tucked in, so I didn't get burned this time. I figured I was letting my legs flop out and the knee was catching just enough of the edge of the exhuast to burn and blister. Going to see the dealership and let them check it out, just to make sure. Got a BRIGHT yellow Shoei RF800 coming in, and I'm putting a Spectra Iridium Gold faceplace on it. The lady salesperson said people didn't like it because it was too "spacey". Perfect. A '98 bright red PC800, a bright yellow helmet, an orange night vest with reflective tape....now I just need a fluorescent green pair of pants! from traffic:"There's a motorcyclist causing all sorts of accidents on the highway....he's not hitting anybody but the color combination is awful!" Bet they'll see me then. I also did some fighting for the Society of Creative Anachronism, a medieval recreation group, so I've got a knight's helmet around here somewhere....it's not DOT approved, but for the mile or so to school in the morning it wouldn't take long to change. Somebody said something about a comfort liner and 1" thick styrofoam? This has possibilities, at least in Texas. Kong 98 PC No modifications yet, I'm making a list and checking it twice! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 22:05:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Amr Oloufa Subject: PC800: Right Hands fingers getting numb To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I finally got my 98 PC yesterday. Having not driven a bike for the last 15 years, I noticed that the fingers of my "throttle" hand become numb after about half an hour. It could be that I am gripping the throttle with my palm only. Is there a cure for this (such as thicker or padded handle pads)? Does anyone have the same problem. Thanks, Amr 98 PC, 170 miles _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "David Shumaker" To: "PacificCoastOwnersList" Subject: PC800: Cruisin-Comm Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 22:20:01 -0700 Importance: Normal If you want to know more about what happen to Cruisin Communications: http://www.rka-luggage.com/pages/26news/april98/april.html David Shumaker, kd7yd@sprynet.com Puyallup, Washington (Seattle-Tacoma area) '97 Honda PC 800, 'Red Peppers' AMA #633741, HRCA # HH696082 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 01:27:36 -0400 From: Joe Beresford To: Scott Casuto CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: top speed Well after about 120 I couldn't look at the speedo...the front wheel was starting to lift off the ground so I was busy ........ Joe Cicncy -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 22:47:21 -0700 From: Phil Lewis To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Half Helmets, Etc. I've just now been able to access my e-mail and I just had to say that the responses to this discussion are great! It really doesn't matter what side of the argument we may be on, I think it's fantastic to be able to exchange thoughts and opinions like this! To paraphrase a line from an old movie, "Is This a Great Country (world) or What!?" Take care, Phil P.S.- Hey Steve, you wouldn't think about selling my PC back to me, would Ya'? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 01:50:08 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Headlight modulators, etc. HI, All: I've been using headlight modulators for many years and in many parts of the country, and I've never been pulled over by the law other than once when the guy just want to let me know that my light was flickering. Neither have I had any "road rage" problems. It is a matter of "modulator etiquette" do turn it off when following another vehicle for an extended period of time. LIke any tool, they must be used properly and wisely. When so used, they are a significant help in keeping other drivers from ignoring you. J.T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Roger Bowen" To: "Amr Oloufa" , Subject: Re: PC800: Right Hands fingers getting numb Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:24:52 -0700 Amr, Congratulations on the new bike. I've had mine a month now and just turned 1,100 miles. It's been about 15 years for me also. I'm having the same numbness which you mention. It doesn't seem to be vibration in that the mirrors are rock solid. I was just hoping it would go away with time. I would welcome any suggestions from the group to help solve this problem. Roger > >I finally got my 98 PC yesterday. > >Having not driven a bike for the last 15 years, I noticed that the >fingers of my "throttle" hand become numb after about half an hour. >It could be that I am gripping the throttle with my palm only. > >Is there a cure for this (such as thicker or padded handle pads)? > >Does anyone have the same problem. > >Thanks, > >Amr > >98 PC, 170 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. via SMTP by server9.wans.net, id smtpdAAAa0021w; Fri Aug 7 02:12:24 1998 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Craig Carter" To: "Mike & Cindy Ver Velde" , "PC800 email" Subject: RE: PC800: Headlight Modulators Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 02:10:12 -0500 Importance: Normal Kisan's PathBlazaer does this. It is LEGAL in ALL 50 states and they include a copy of the Federal Motor Vehicle Standards (49 CFR Part 571 - Executive Order 12866) that I plan on carrying with the bike to educate any would-be ticket writers. With the PathBlazer, you just plug it in and ount the sensor wherever you want. It's a real compact unit. http://www.kisantech.com Craig '95 PC800 -----Original Message----- From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of Mike & Cindy Ver Velde Sent: Thursday, August 06, 1998 6:53 PM To: PC800 email Subject: PC800: Headlight Modulators Did someone say that one company makes one that stops modulating when you switch your lights to low beam? It wasnt Kriss, the other "K" company.. Mike -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DK2HEFRS; Fri, 07 Aug 1998 03:14:34 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: johnl@is01.wvpa.com Subject: PC800: SEE-NICK LIGHTING "RETRACTED" From: annreid@juno.com (ann s reid) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 03:14:34 EDT 1) Okay. I take it back. "I wouldn't steal a redhot stove." (To paraphrase an Abe Lincoln retraction of yesteryear.) Consider my "Picture This" retracted ... until the next time. *TEASE* I was just funnin' ya! And daydreamin' 'bout cager (comic) relief. Seemed like a good time to interject a little nonsense. *CENSORED* 2) BTW spent most of today/evening with Juan and Crystal Goula (Listers from Alaska). They both ride. REAL NICE people and fun, too! Besides they laughed at my jokes. *WINK* Juan showed me how to remove the driver's seat withOUT removing the trunk piston. *MIRACLE* Then he showed me how to adjust the rubber-baby-buggy-bumpers to narrow the gap between her upper and lower pouch pieces. Offered them the loan of the Ghost, but they declined as thot Phx too roasty, toasty and didn't have their gear with them. Maybe next time. We tested paper airplanes at Planet Hollywood and installed "special" handlebar grip protectors on a motorscooter display. *HARMLESS* Ann '89 Ghost-Devil [Yep. The Devil makes me do these things. *GRIN*] Fri. 8.7.98 00:10 MST _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 11:59:30 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "John O'Connor" Subject: Fwd: Re: PC800: another shield modification >Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 11:52:22 +0100 >To: Francois Saint Laurent >From: John O'Connor >Subject: Re: PC800: another shield modification > >At 23:07 06/08/98 -0400, you wrote: >. >. >>If I wanted more power, I would have bought the Concours. >>If I wanted better handling I would have bought the VFR. >>If I wanted a better seat I would have bought a Virago >>If I wanted better weather protection I would have bought a Wing. >>If I wanted better handling I would have bought a Ninja 600 >>If I wanted more prestige I would have bought the K1200RS. >>If I wanted a bigger trunk I would have bought an Accord >>If I wanted a bigger payment I would have bought a Harley. >>If I wanted better mileage I would have bought the Helix >>If I wanted better sex-appeal I would have bought a Ducati. >>If I wanted a bigger insurance payment I would have bought a Honda CBR1100XX >>If I wanted more torque I would have bought one of those V8 Cruisers from >>Australia. > >You missed three: > >If I had wanted bigger garage bills I would have bought a Moto Guzzi. >If I had wanted to push a bike in the rain I would have bought a Moto Guzzi. >If I had wanted my head examined I would have bought a Moto Guzzi > >Regards to all > >John O' >London England >Nov '96 PC800 Red (in places) > > > > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DK2V5V58; Fri, 07 Aug 1998 06:57:05 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: gwta@voyager.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 06:55:12 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: I got her! From: miketwh@juno.com (Mike T Whited) On my 94 I noticed that the paint was rubbing off when I waxed it, but only on one side of the trunk. I stopped by the dealer and they had me bring it in when a Honda rep was at the shop. When he looked at the PC he had a fit! Apparently the factory didn't clear coat that section of the trunk and he authorized the dealer to replace it under warranty. My PC now has 45,000 miles on it and when I wax it color still dosen't come off. I'd check with Honda and see if they still clear coat the PC. Be warned Honda gives a 36 month warranty on PC but only 1 month on paint defects. So I'd talk to them now. (though I don't consider it a paint defect, but a factory error) Good Luck Mike Whited . >Questions oh mighty ones. > >Red paint purty, but getting paint on cloths when applying Maguires >polish. This is fairly non-abrasive according to Consumer Reports. >Is >this the nature of the beast (red paint) because I have a Red pickup >that has done the same for the last 10 years worth of polishing but >get >nothing off my Teal Wing, Green car, and blue and white ACE? What do >you use? > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 07:49:55 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Betty Lise Anderson Subject: PC800: Hugging "gas tank" with knees Emile Nossin says: >Todd, I don't get it. It sounds like you squeeze your knees against the ..eh.. >airfilter, right ? If so, why ? I never heard / read this was 'proper'. For what it's worth, in the motorcycle saftey class, they told us to keep our knees in. I don't recall them telling to hold on with our legs, but they did keep reminding us to keep our knees in against the tank. Betty Lise Anderson Dept. Of Electrical Engineering The Ohio State University 205 Dreese Lab 2015 Neil Avenue Columbus OH check out the cool zip code 43210 http://eewww.eng.ohio-state.edu/~anderson/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:07:50 -0400 To: Amr Oloufa , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Right Hands fingers getting numb At 10:05 PM -0700 8/6/98, Amr Oloufa wrote: >I finally got my 98 PC yesterday. > congratulations.... >Having not driven a bike for the last 15 years, I noticed that the >fingers of my "throttle" hand become numb after about half an hour. >It could be that I am gripping the throttle with my palm only. > >Is there a cure for this (such as thicker or padded handle pads)? This is easy.....Relax... My hand got numb the first couple of times I rode as well, after about 8 years of absence from motorcycles. I discovered that I was really gripping the bars tightly. Also......your hand is being asked to spend alot of time in a position it isn't used to, and with alot of weight being put onto your palm Time will develop the muscles required and this feeling will go away. Another thing that can help is either a throttle lock or a throttle rest. These gadgets allow you to maintain your speed whle you briefly remove your hand from the grip and stretch it a bit to relax the muscles. The only real 'cure' I can think of is to go riding! Good luck... fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:41:09 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: patkins@mari.net (Paul B. Atkins) Subject: Re: PC800: Headlight Modulators At 8:59 PM 8/6/98, m.vervelde@mci2000.com wrote: >Did someone say that one company makes one that stops modulating when you >switch your lights to low beam? It wasnt Kriss, the other "K" company.. > >Mike Mike, my Kisan modulator will shut off when switched to low beam. I believe Kriss does as well. Paul > > >Attachment converted: Macintosh Hard Disk:FILE.HTM 2 (TEXT/BOBO) (0000738A) Paul Atkins patkins@mari.net 1996 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:41:26 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: patkins@mari.net (Paul B. Atkins) Subject: Re: PC800: Headlight modulators, etc. At 12:53 AM 8/7/98, JTSMCRIDER@aol.com wrote: >HI, All: > >I've been using headlight modulators for many years and in many parts of the >country, and I've never been pulled over by the law other than once when the >guy just want to let me know that my light was flickering. Neither have I had >any "road rage" problems. It is a matter of "modulator etiquette" do turn it >off when following another vehicle for an extended period of time. LIke any >tool, they must be used properly and wisely. When so used, they are a >significant help in keeping other drivers from ignoring you. > >J.T. thanks for your comments , J.T....I was glad to hear of your successful use of the modulator.... Paul Paul Atkins patkins@mari.net 1996 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "David Shumaker" To: "Roger Bowen" , "Amr Oloufa" , Subject: RE: PC800: Right Hands fingers getting numb Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:05:57 -0700 Importance: Normal Hello Roger, Amr, I've put 5200 miles on my '97 since February and no numbness like either of you mentioned. However, I bicycle as well, and did have a hand numbness problem. Turns out the solution was proper distribution of weight between hands and seat. Once I wound the 'right' riding position, no more numbness problem. Don't know if this will help with either of your situations on the PC. But it might be something to consider. Good luck and good riding. Dave David Shumaker, kd7yd@sprynet.com Puyallup, Washington (Seattle-Tacoma area) '97 Honda PC 800, 'Red Peppers' AMA #633741, HRCA # HH696082 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of > Roger Bowen > Sent: Thursday, August 06, 1998 11:25 PM > To: Amr Oloufa; pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: PC800: Right Hands fingers getting numb > > > Amr, > > Congratulations on the new bike. I've had mine a month now and > just turned > 1,100 miles. > It's been about 15 years for me also. I'm having the same numbness which > you mention. > It doesn't seem to be vibration in that the mirrors are rock solid. I was > just hoping it would go > away with time. I would welcome any suggestions from the group to help > solve this problem. > > Roger > > > > > > >I finally got my 98 PC yesterday. > > > >Having not driven a bike for the last 15 years, I noticed that the > >fingers of my "throttle" hand become numb after about half an hour. > >It could be that I am gripping the throttle with my palm only. > > > >Is there a cure for this (such as thicker or padded handle pads)? > > > >Does anyone have the same problem. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Amr > > > >98 PC, 170 miles > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 11:20:27 -0400 From: Rich Thorne To: Amr Oloufa CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Right Hands fingers getting numb Amr Oloufa wrote: > > Having not driven a bike for the last 15 years, I noticed that the > fingers of my "throttle" hand become numb after about half an hour. > It could be that I am gripping the throttle with my palm only. > > Is there a cure for this (such as thicker or padded handle pads)? Amr (and Roger), My own experience is that I develop numbness in both hands and fingers when I support my upper body with my arms and hands using the handle bars. When I unload the arms and keep the elbows nice and relaxed my hand numbness goes away. To me there is a related discussion on this list (Todd and Emile) addressing whether it is a useful idea to use the knees to provide upper body stability. Having raised horses for many years I too am in the camp for using the knees as part of a 5 point base for the upper torso: 2 feet on pegs, 2 knees providing light pressure against the make believe gas tank, and 1 other part that can be used as a vacuum attachment to the seat if things get toooo intense. >From this 5 point base I use the muscles of my abdomen and back to support my upper torso. (Yoga has some nice postures to enhance the strength of these muscles). Periodically while riding I consciously make sure my arms are real flexible and that I am not leaning on the bars. This works for me and as the saleslady on the British comedy "Are You Being Served" says, I am unanimous on this! Try it, it may help you. Then you can begin following the threads on how to keep from rubbing the paint off of the make believe gas tank. rich 97 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Aug 98 10:12:00 -0500 From: Kendall Gray To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Thanks to everyone who responded to my double edged query concerning headlight modulators and stereos.. I haven't decided on a stereo yet.. But I believe that I will go with the Kriss Modulator. ( The stereo is a bit of a theft magnet. I think that I want to consider an in fairing application.. ) Ken Gray 95 PC 800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PLeray@aol.com Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:15:54 EDT To: anderson@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Hugging "gas tank" with knees Betty, et al: The concept of "clamping" one's knees onto a gas tank may work on bikes with an actual tank. My '72 500-4, and even my previous '82 GoldWing would fit into that category. But the pc is just too slippery-and-enclosed for that to actually work. That having been said however, the idea of "holding" the machine with one's legs does have a purpose. Our bodies have millions of pressure-sensors in the skin, along with the various other receptors there. They are called "proprioceptors". They give us, subliminally, clues as to what our carcasses are doing at any given instant. Without having to figure it out with visual stimuli alone (it's why we don't roll out of bed every night). The concept of RIDING a motorcycle is, in itself, an active endeavor, as opposed to DRIVING (mostly steering) an automobile, which is more passive. By becoming, as much as possible, one-with-the-machine, you are more able to sense/anticipate/react in fractions of a second. The pro road racers are practically part of the frame of the machine, the opposite would be the cruiser-types lying back with feet up. We need to find a happy medium. The pc's seating arrangement seems really nice in that respect: some weight on feet, some on butt, some on hands. A nice balance. Not the full cafe-racer- squid, but not straight-up either. So clamping is not necessary, but holding definitely is. (I would make another body-based analogy, but I'd get flamed for days.) Anatomy and Physiology Lecture #46-b will begin in Rm 203 at 3pm. Patrick in La. (RN) '97 Thumper Rabbit -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Roger Bowen" To: "pc800" Subject: PC800: GPCPCY2000 Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:18:25 -0700 >Tim wrote >> >>Cool! Let me give you a thumb-nail description. Early this year Juan >>Goula and his wife Crystal flew down to Portland on business from Alaska, >>so some of us local PCers got together with them for dinner. Talk turned >>to a "meet" somewhere on the Pacific Coast for PC owners that lived on >>the West Coast, and as the conversation progressed it turned into a >>country-wide rally. We posted on to the list and got input, and it seemed >>to be very favorable. So John Louk (Carmel, IN) and I ended up as >>unofficial chairs of the event, and we've been exploring options ever >>since. I felt that the Grants Pass area would be perfect because it's >>approximately halfway between LA and Seattle and also has good proximity >>to Hwy 101 (hence the Great Pacific Coast Pacific Coast Year 2000). As >>you well know, it's also located to great roads and attractions. >> >>Actually, I prefer the moniker "The Great Pacific Coast Pacific Coast >>Tupperware Party Year 2000", but there may be trademark infringements. I >>was thinking of contacting Tupperware and seeing if we could get a >>good-natured endorsement out of them. We were also talking about making >>the ride to the event a fund raiser by participants. >> >>We're looking for a good hotel/resort/etc with close availability of >>camping for those who are so inclined. September of 2000 is the target >>time and we're probably going to hold it anywhere from 3-5 days. I've >>done some work on the net and have a couple of places that I'd like to >>check out. As it turns out, Nan and I decided to go north instead of >>south this past weekend (we rode up to Oroville, WA, took Hwy 20 west, >>and went south on various highways--did our usual 1,000 miles). >> >>I would LOVE to have you join the team, Roger!! Having someone local >>would really aid in our efforts. >> >Tim, > >Be glad to help in any way I can. If you haven't checked it out already, >visit >http://www.grantspass.com , scroll down to (and click on) County Parks for >camping info. > >Had a fantastic ride today up to the Mt. Ashland ski resort. The road >leading to the resort from >I-5 is a -BLAST- on a bike and the views from the top are equally >outstanding. > >Safe Riding, > >Roger (98 PC, 1,100 mi and growing daily) > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. 7 Aug 1998 08:32:30 MST Content-return: allowed ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 08:32:28 -0700 From: Randy Bailey Subject: PC800: FS: '89 PC800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I'm selling my beloved '89 PC800 and I want it to go to a good home! It has been a wonderful machine that has given me 16K miles of totally trouble-free service. I baby this thing, keeping it in the garage with a cover on it. My wife says I'm compulsive/obsessive about it... Anyhow, it has the REALLY tall Rifle windscreen and special cushy handgrips, otherwise is totally stock. I change the oil every 2K miles with Mobil 1 15-50w and always use Honda filters. I just changed the air filter and plugs and tuned it to perfection. Most of the miles have been on the Interstate, so the brakes and clutch are in wonderful shape. It's a steal at $3,800 (my asking price). I can deliver it anywhere in Arizona, or if you are in California, I could meet you in Yuma or other border city to deliver it. I've advertised it locally and expect the first person to see it to snap it up, so e-mail or call me asap if you want to place a deposit on it to hold it until you are ready to pick it up. ============================================================= Randy D. Bailey, Director College of Extended Education Communications & Marketing Arizona State University (602)727-5337 FAX: 727-5300 P.O. Box 871708 rbailey@asu.edu Tempe, AZ USA 85287-1708 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "PC800 Owners" From: "hughes" Subject: Re: PC800: Half Helmets, Etc. Date: Fri, 07 Aug 98 10:38:58 PDT Five years ago when I first bought my PC I was debating what type of helmet I should invest in, I stopped at a dealer in Baton Rouge to look at his clothes and accessories and noticed among the rack of new helmets a beat up full face helmet that had obviously been down on the pavement. The shield was scratched and a chunck of the fiber- glass was missing, attached to the helmet was a note with the following message: " This is why we do not sell open faced helmets, please do not ask us to order one for you.". Obviously this full face helmet had done the job for which it was designed. I decided on the Shoei Duotec. It is easy to put on with my glasses on, it gives me a full range of vision and is cooler when I am not moving and gives added facial protection(though I'm not sure if it is as sturdy as a conventional full face). Paul -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: brian.hopkins@L3.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Hugging "gas tank" with knees Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:44:57 -0600 One more thought on all of this. Many of the riding schools (CLASS I know for sure) teach that you can steer with your body. Take your hands off the bars and you can steer with your body (obviously taught on the track). Push down on inside peg to turn. Push with outside leg to turn. BTW, this stuff really works. I'm a countersteerer with lots of input but once I'm in a turn I use body movement to tighten and loosen up my line. Try it in a big long sweeper where you can really tell the affects. So, to make sure I'm pushing with the correct leg and foot, I'll pull my inside knee out towards the center of the turn to where it isn't touching the bike. This also forces weight onto the correct foot-peg. I'm sure the Pridmore's could really tell/show you how it's done. Anyway, if you are gripping the tank with a death grip then you are working against yourself I believe. Anyway, my ramblings. Brian D. Hopkins Betty, et al: The concept of "clamping" one's knees onto a gas tank may work on bikes with an actual tank. My '72 500-4, and even my previous '82 GoldWing would fit into that category. But the pc is just too slippery-and-enclosed for that to actually work. That having been said however, the idea of "holding" the machine with one's legs does have a purpose. Our bodies have millions of pressure-sensors in the skin, along with the various other receptors there. They are called "proprioceptors". They give us, subliminally, clues as to what our carcasses are doing at any given instant. Without having to figure it out with visual stimuli alone (it's why we don't roll out of bed every night). The concept of RIDING a motorcycle is, in itself, an active endeavor, as opposed to DRIVING (mostly steering) an automobile, which is more passive. By becoming, as much as possible, one-with-the-machine, you are more able to sense/anticipate/react in fractions of a second. The pro road racers are practically part of the frame of the machine, the opposite would be the cruiser-types lying back with feet up. We need to find a happy medium. The pc's seating arrangement seems really nice in that respect: some weight on feet, some on butt, some on hands. A nice balance. Not the full cafe-racer- squid, but not straight-up either. So clamping is not necessary, but holding definitely is. (I would make another body-based analogy, but I'd get flamed for days.) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2); Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:00:39 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: FS: '89 PC800 Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:00:20 -0400 From: Jim Hart To: "Pacific Coast List" Randy Bailey, RandyBailey@asu.edu writes: >It's a steal at $3,800 (my asking price). With all due respect, this price seems pretty high to me. A '90 in mint condition with about the same miles just sold in my area (Maine) for $3500. I just bought a '90 in mint condition with more miles, but with loads of accessories, for a lot less. --- Jim Hart "Organization is necessary for things to exist; Chaos is necessary for things to evolve." -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ernie.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA04580 for ; Fri, 07 Aug 1998 09:25:10 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Hugging "gas tank" with knees Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:25:44 -0700 I thought I would respond to this. First, I too can steer without my hands. That, however, is not my preferred method of riding. Second, the situations I am talking about are NOT big long sweepers. Other comments are interspersed below. > -----Original Message----- > From: brian.hopkins@L3.com [SMTP:brian.hopkins@L3.com] > Sent: Friday, August 07, 1998 08:45 > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: RE: PC800: Hugging "gas tank" with knees > > One more thought on all of this. Many of the riding schools (CLASS I > know for sure) teach that you can steer with your body. Take your hands > off the bars and you can steer with your body (obviously taught on the > track). Push down on inside peg to turn. Push with outside leg to > turn. BTW, this stuff really works. I'm a countersteerer with lots of > input but once I'm in a turn I use body movement to tighten and loosen > up my line. Try it in a big long sweeper where you can really tell the > affects. > This isn't rocket science. You are simply leaning the bike under your body. It works well. I have no problem doing this while holding on with my legs. In fact, the rider on a horse gives the horse input with the knees. (A trained horse anyway.) > So, to make sure I'm pushing with the correct leg and foot, I'll pull my > inside knee out towards the center of the turn to where it isn't > touching the bike. This also forces weight onto the correct foot-peg. > I'm sure the Pridmore's could really tell/show you how it's done. > Try this when your bike suddenly turns sideways (or whatever), and see where you land. Developing a habit of sticking your knee out "to make sure" wouldn't be my first recommendation. (They taught you to do this at a riding school?) On a track knee dragging is common as it is part of leaning off of the bike and dragging the inside knee on the pavement (for touch and even support). This is done to *reduce* the lean of the bike by using your body as an out-rigger weight. The outside foot in this case would put pressure on the peg. You will also see some extreme steering because these bikes are often in full power slides during these maneuvers. But I don't think this is necessarily proper procedure for a street environment. That is simply my opinion -- I believe the track and the street are markedly different. In any case, these are controlled maneuvers, not reactions to poor road conditions or a blow out or whatever. [There was a big discussion on the BMW list a while back on whether the inside or the outside peg should be weighted. I am not trying to start that thread here. The people contributing were the regular triple-digit-in-the-curves riders.] A track racer can slide the bike off of the wheels, and punch his (low side) knee into the pavement hard enough to throw himself back onto his wheels and ride away. Not me. I don't even have the big leather pad on my knee. Nor do I have the skill or the practice. Perhaps some of you do. > Anyway, if you are gripping the tank with a death grip then you are > working against yourself I believe. > Maybe true in big sweepers. The "death" grip is only applied when the proverbial biological waste product hits the rotation air circulation device. The rest of the time a light grip is used. Going from the light grip to the "death" grip (as you put it) is nearly instantaneous. This is not true if you are waving your knees all over creation. You simply won't make it. I can ride freehanded quite easily with my cruise control. It is actually very easy. But this isn't the position I want to be in if things suddenly go awry. I would rather already have my hands on the handle bars than be trying to reach for them when things get squirrelly. The same is true of my grip on the bike with my knees. And I had no problem doing this on the PC. Again, you can ride standing on the seat without holding on at all if it suits you. Enjoy the ride. Todd Vierheller -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. <000201bdc194$0d778860$8b0537a6@vervelde> with last message <000201bdc194$0d778860$8b0537a6@vervelde> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:30:05 -0400 To: "hughes" , "PC800 Owners" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Half Helmets, Etc. At 10:38 AM -0700 8/7/98, hughes wrote: " This is why we do not sell >open faced helmets, please do not ask us to order one >for you.". Obviously this full face helmet had done the >job for which it was designed. I decided on the Shoei >Duotec. One of the motorcycle trade magazines reviewed helmets a few months ago, and the Duotec was rated as an Open Face Helmet, and provided coverage similar to an open face helmet. The hinged chin bar, which I admit is really a nice feature if you wear glasses, does not provide adequate protection in a crash to be considered a full face helmet. I bought an Arai, and when the time came to change my glasses, I bought frames that had the double hinged springs on the arms, so I can easily flex them into place without wearing them out. Food for thought.... fsl :-) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: brian.hopkins@L3.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Hugging "gas tank" with knees Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:48:21 -0600 >=20 > One more thought on all of this. Many of the riding schools (CLASS I > know for sure) teach that you can steer with your body. Take your hands > off the bars and you can steer with your body (obviously taught on the > track). Push down on inside peg to turn. Push with outside leg to > turn. BTW, this stuff really works. I'm a countersteerer with lots of > input but once I'm in a turn I use body movement to tighten and loosen > up my line. Try it in a big long sweeper where you can really tell the > affects. >=20 This isn't rocket science. You are simply leaning the bike under your body. It works well. I have no problem doing this while holding on with my legs. In fact, the rider on a horse gives the horse input with the knees. (A trained horse anyway.) I suppose, never got to ride horses. I'll believe you (and others) on this one. > So, to make sure I'm pushing with the correct leg and foot, I'll pull my > inside knee out towards the center of the turn to where it isn't > touching the bike. This also forces weight onto the correct foot-peg. > I'm sure the Pridmore's could really tell/show you how it's done. >=20 Try this when your bike suddenly turns sideways (or whatever), and see where you land. Developing a habit of sticking your knee out "to make sure" wouldn't be my first recommendation. (They taught you to do this at a riding school?) =20 No no no. Perhaps I wasn't clear (obviously, its been a long week.) I put my knee out maybe =BD an inch so I can't feel the = bike. This way I (myself) know I'm not pushing with the wrong side. =20 On a track knee dragging is common as it is part of leaning off of the bike and dragging the inside knee on the pavement (for touch and even support). This is done to *reduce* the lean of the bike by using your body as an out-rigger weight. The outside foot in this case would put pressure on the peg. You will also see some extreme steering because these bikes are often in full power slides during these maneuvers. But I don't think this is necessarily proper procedure for a street environment. That is simply my opinion -- I believe the track and the street are markedly different. In any case, these are controlled maneuvers, not reactions to poor road conditions or a blow out or whatever. [There was a big discussion on the BMW list a while back on whether the inside or the outside peg should be weighted. I am not trying to start that thread here. The people contributing were the regular triple-digit-in-the-curves riders.] It's inside peg. Try it and you'll see. The bike goes where you push it down. I agree I don't want to see the big discussion about this, but if anyone wants to see, go drive down a straight = (little traffic) road and push on one foot peg. See which way the bike moves. Push on the other footpeg and see which way the bike goes. A track racer can slide the bike off of the wheels, and punch his (low side) knee into the pavement hard enough to throw himself back onto his wheels and ride away. Not me. I don't even have the big leather pad on my knee. Nor do I have the skill or the practice. Perhaps some of you do. Nope. Not me. I'm happy to stay upright. > Anyway, if you are gripping the tank with a death grip then you are > working against yourself I believe. >=20 Maybe true in big sweepers. The "death" grip is only applied when the proverbial biological waste product hits the rotation air circulation device. The rest of the time a light grip is used. Going from the light grip to the "death" grip (as you put it) is nearly instantaneous. This is not true if you are waving your knees all over creation. You simply won't make it. I think we are saying the same thing. I'm just saying that you can use your weight and body control via other instruments besides your hands to control your bike. If you push with one side or the other and keep your knees/body/feet in the correct places loosely then you can do the correct thing when the time comes. I'm also trying to indicate that you need to practice and understand how the bike is going to react with different combinations of inputs. If you just ride around with a 'death grip" (that's a terrible time for a motorcycle list but let's use it for now) than you aren't pushing one side or the other. And you aren't controlling the bike with your legs. You are saying (I believe) that you can hold on the bike with your legs and then control it with your hands because they will be loose and not in a death grip. Right???? :-)))) =20 I can ride freehanded quite easily with my cruise control. It is actually very easy. But this isn't the position I want to be in if things suddenly go awry. I would rather already have my hands on the handle bars than be trying to reach for them when things get squirrelly. Agreed. And I'm just trying to say practice and understand what forces can push you around besides the hands. =20 I'm just trying to indicate other methods of riding. I'm not, by any means, trying to imply I'm an expert rider and know everything. (neither am trying to imply anything about your riding skills-which I believe to be considerable). I'm still learning like everyone else and trying to share things that I have learned with others. What works for one person may not for someone else, but if you never hear of a new idea you might never try it. Stay safe, Brian Hopkins '97 PC800 '96 VFR '9* ???? (what else do I need????) =09 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Hugging "gas tank" with knees From: Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org (Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 09:52:35 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) >For what it's worth, in the motorcycle saftey class, they told us to keep >our knees in. I don't recall them telling to hold on with our legs, but >they did keep reminding us to keep our knees in against the tank. After several thousand miles of wrestling fully loaded street bikes on gravel roads at speeds of 50 mph or more, I can say that for me there is truth to the holding on with your knees thing. In many (not all--snow and mud are a bit different) reduced traction situations, I have found that using my body as a brace between the front wheel and rear wheel can keep the two wheels in-line as they track through loose gravel. Pressing forward on the handlebars while clinching the tank really seems to stabilize the bike and lessen the dreaded head-shaking effect. The lip between the driver and passenger seats on the PC is a great but-anchor for this. The benefit is most noticible once you get over 40 mph on a gravel road. Once I got a feel for the effect of bracing the front and rear wheels to make them track where I want them to, I could actually use my hips to make subtle changes in the tracking of the rear tire as well. I'm sure this is old hat to racers (who can comfortably slide both wheels around a corner) and off-road riders. Greg Torok 97 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: brian.hopkins@L3.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Half Helmets, Etc. Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:50:05 -0600 " This is why we do not sell >open faced helmets, please do not ask us to order one >for you.". Obviously this full face helmet had done the >job for which it was designed. I decided on the Shoei >Duotec. One of the motorcycle trade magazines reviewed helmets a few months ago, and the Duotec was rated as an Open Face Helmet, and provided coverage similar to an open face helmet. The hinged chin bar, which I admit is really a nice feature if you wear glasses, does not provide adequate protection in a crash to be considered a full face helmet. Really??? Shoot, I was really thinking about that as a replacement for my X-8. Darn. Brian Hopkins '97 PC800 (2000 miles will be crossed today woohoo!!!) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:06:41 -0700 (PDT) From: John La Subject: PC800: Headlight Mods/Kisan Trivia/Tire Monitor To: Mike & Cindy Ver Velde Cc: pclist Kisan- I talked to the guy at Kisan for about 30 minutes when I ordered my Headlight Modulator yesterday. He said their plug in unit only works on high beam. Their non plug-in unit has been (usually unintentionally) wired up to work with the low beam. Both systems have a sensor that detects daylight and deactivates the modulator at night. He offered a 10% Discount to PC listers! http://www.kisantech.com/ Kisan Technologies, Inc. 150 S. Wolfe Road Sunnyvale, CA 94086 Voice 408-746-0500 Fax 408-746-0420 Orders 888-464-KISAN Trivia: They have an electronic sensor that monitors tire pressure and displays it on LCD readout on your dash like a temp gauge. It costs $300, but I am considering it because I hate to check my tire pressure! They use this device on several of the new rides at Disneyland right here in Southern California! He is consulting with them in terms of retrofitting more rides. John == PC800 FAQ now online! Check it out- http://hhd.csun.edu/john/pcfaq.htm _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:10:32 -0700 (PDT) From: John La Subject: Re: PC800: Right Hands fingers getting numb To: Amr Oloufa , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: pclist Amr Try VISTA CRUISE. $20 at Dealers and bike accessory stores. It gives you a chance to wiggle your fingers while maintaining speed. Works for me. John == PC800 FAQ now online! Check it out- http://hhd.csun.edu/john/pcfaq.htm _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:10:32 -0700 (PDT) From: John La Subject: Re: PC800: Right Hands fingers getting numb To: Amr Oloufa , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: pclist Amr Try VISTA CRUISE. $20 at Dealers and bike accessory stores. It gives you a chance to wiggle your fingers while maintaining speed. Works for me. John == PC800 FAQ now online! Check it out- http://hhd.csun.edu/john/pcfaq.htm _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Hugging "gas tank" with knees Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:55:07 +0200 > So clamping is not necessary, but holding definitely is. (I would make > another body-based analogy, but I'd get flamed for days.) > Very nice put. > In each case I hung on with my legs while my upper > body remained flexible and loose. I think it helps. YMMV. > I think clamping doesn't help to put weight off the handlebars. Using your backmuscles in combination with the downforce on your feet will. You can try this on the chair your sitting on right now. You can also try this when steering with one hand. I frequently use this exercise to train my upperbody to move along in turns while also training the 'countersteering'. I could do this exercise with my legs widespread (I don't) , without putting force on the handlebar . Squeezing the 'tank' could help in the sliding forward and/or backward, except on a PC. > When a motorcycle is wildly out of control (this happens in a variety of > ways) it is not the time to think through your options and then decide what > to do. > I agree that this is the time to start squeezing dents in the 'tank' (which I think you do automatically as long as you didn't ride legs-spread). But when the bike is not 'wildly out of control' I think it might be safer to relax those muscels and to let that blood flow to the brain. The force direction of the knees is around the vertical axis, the force for releiving your arms is around the lateral axis. I understand your point of view only when 'riding rodeo', in which case yawing forces are involved. But maybe that was the point you were trying to make. Nice lesson, Todd. You made me more aware of a couple of things. I think we allready agreed on the whole subject, accept to clamp all the time. Or is that tomorrow's lesson ? : ) Class dismissed ? Emile Nossin '90 PC800 " The Flying Dutchman " Santpoort, Holland, Europe Emile@Cybercomm.nl Never look back upon your life and say : " I should have done that.." -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2); Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:02:25 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 14:01:51 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: I got her! From: "Jim Hart" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >I'd check with Honda and see if they still clear coat the PC. According to Dale (I think), they don't. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ernie.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA05823 for ; Fri, 07 Aug 1998 11:28:23 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Hugging "gas tank" with knees Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:28:59 -0700 > -----Original Message----- > From: Emile Nossin [SMTP:Emile@Cybercomm.nl] > 'riding rodeo', in which case yawing forces are involved. But maybe that > was > the point you were trying to make. > Precisely! For normal riding it is largely a moot point. But when the bike wildly starts going directions that nature never intended.... Since I don't get to pick when those times occur, I ride with my hands on the bars, my knees on the tank, my butt in the seat, and my feet on the pegs. (Mostly.) The more contact the better. Todd Vierheller '96 R1100TRL, "Rain Dancer" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:35:43 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: patkins@mari.net (Paul B. Atkins) Subject: Re: PC800: Headlight Mods/Kisan Trivia/Tire Monitor At 12:08 PM 8/7/98, johnla@yahoo.com wrote: >Kisan- >I talked to the guy at Kisan for about 30 minutes when I ordered my >Headlight Modulator yesterday. He said their plug in unit only works >on high beam. Their non plug-in unit has been (usually >unintentionally) wired up to work with the low beam. > >Both systems have a sensor that detects daylight and deactivates the >modulator at night. > >He offered a 10% Discount to PC listers! > >http://www.kisantech.com/ > >Kisan Technologies, Inc. >150 S. Wolfe Road Sunnyvale, CA 94086 > Voice 408-746-0500 Fax 408-746-0420 > Orders 888-464-KISAN > Wow..I didn't get the discount. I think you'll like the unit. My dealer installed the light sensor under the right crash bar..no drilling required..a pretty nifty installation, if you ask me! Paul Paul Atkins patkins@mari.net 1996 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: Dragging(was: PC800: Hugging "gas tank" with knees) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 20:38:35 +0200 > Maybe true in big sweepers. The "death" grip is only applied when the > proverbial biological waste product hits the rotation air circulation > device. The rest of the time a light grip is used. > Okay, I didn't read this when I posted my previous reply. I guess this was the next lesson. I'll check my cooling fan for any urine. Which parts do I have remove to see that ? > On a track knee dragging is common as it is part of leaning off of the bike > and dragging the inside knee on the pavement (for touch and even support). > This is done to *reduce* the lean of the bike by using your body as an > out-rigger weight. > I thought it was done to reduce the turning radius because of the weight shifting towards the turning middlepoint. You see different track riders use different methods. Some 'hang in' the turn (knee dragging), some do the contrary and let the bike lean more than themselves (peg dragging). The last is done (as I understand) to keep more control over the bike when the rear end would break out (more than the usual rear-wheel steering). With the knee-dragging method there might be a higher chance of a 'highsider', with the peg-dragging there MIGHT be more control to recover. Again, please educate me.... Your foreign exchange student, Emile Nossin '90 PC800 " The Flying Dutchman " Santpoort, Holland, Europe, world (as in: "Isn't this world great !!") Emile@Cybercomm.nl Never look back upon your life and say : " I should have done that.." -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Hugging "gas tank" with knees Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 20:57:30 +0200 > Precisely! For normal riding it is largely a moot point. But when the > bike wildly starts going directions that nature never intended.... > Geez, you guys answer quick. Every time I send out an answer the reply is allready there (when I didn't see it). > '96 R1100TRL, "Rain Dancer" > -- Now I didn't understand the 'L' in R1100RTL, but what's a R1100TRL ? Emile Nossin '90 PC800 " The Flying Dutchman " -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 14:09:51 -0700 From: Phil Lewis To: Pacific Coasters Subject: PC800: Ann's visit with SCPCRC! Hi There! I finally finished putting together the pictures of Ann and us'ems. The address is http://hhd.csun.edu/pc/annvisit/annvisit.htm. The server wasn't responding very well, so if there are any errors, I'll have to fix them later. Take care all, Phil -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ernie.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA06958; Fri, 07 Aug 1998 14:11:01 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: Emile@Cybercomm.nl, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Dragging(was: PC800: Hugging "gas tank" with knees) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:11:36 -0700 It's not urine that hits the fan, Emile. (It's an American slang expression not considered proper in polite company.) I don't think leaning off of the bike actually changes the location of the center of gravity in relationship to the track (all other things being equal). The human body comes into the radius, the motorcycle leans out from the radius more. The result is that the motorcycle can go faster through the turn while still riding on the rubber and not the metal part of the wheels (or the pegs or the exhaust, etc.). That's the reason they will weight the outside foot, to "lift" the bike out of the turn even as they steer around the turn. Brian is correct in that if you are not leaning off and trying to "straighten up" the bike, you would weight the inside foot to assist in a corner (which actually leans the bike over more). The extra speed does increase the "total" lean of the center of gravity slightly (it would have to wouldn't it?), but I don't think racers analyze the physics. They just try to keep their tires on the pavement. This is one of those explanations that will make sense if you already understand the physics, otherwise, maybe not. It is better done with pictures or little models. Interesting: Sometimes a guy will lean his weight on the motorcyclist/bike next to him on the inside of a corner! (But remember, if that guy slides out, where does he go?) Todd Vierheller P.S. I used to know a guy who raced. I thought he was crazy for doing that. He thought I was crazy for riding in the street. To each his own, I guess. > -----Original Message----- > From: Emile Nossin [SMTP:Emile@Cybercomm.nl] > Sent: Friday, August 07, 1998 11:39 > To: PC800 > Subject: Re: Dragging(was: PC800: Hugging "gas tank" with knees) > > > Maybe true in big sweepers. The "death" grip is only applied when the > > proverbial biological waste product hits the rotation air circulation > > device. The rest of the time a light grip is used. > > > Okay, I didn't read this when I posted my previous reply. I guess this was > the next lesson. I'll check my cooling fan for any urine. Which parts do > I have remove to see that ? > > > > On a track knee dragging is common as it is part of leaning off of the > bike > > and dragging the inside knee on the pavement (for touch and even > support). > > This is done to *reduce* the lean of the bike by using your body as an > > out-rigger weight. > > > I thought it was done to reduce the turning radius because of the weight > shifting towards the turning middlepoint. > You see different track riders use different methods. Some 'hang in' the > turn > (knee dragging), some do the contrary and let the bike lean more than > themselves > (peg dragging). The last is done (as I understand) to keep more control > over the bike > when the rear end would break out (more than the usual rear-wheel > steering). With > the knee-dragging method there might be a higher chance of a 'highsider', > with the > peg-dragging there MIGHT be more control to recover. > Again, please educate me.... > Your foreign exchange student, > > Emile Nossin > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:33:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Garbacik To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Red with trailer in Oregon? Happy Friday to All- Yippee! My radiator cap came in today. Strange, don't see where the gold plating is - or was it platnum? Must be the diamonds that spell out HOT! Anyway - while driving South on Hwy. 99 today about 9:30 AM I saw a red PC800 pulling a red trailer heading North through Junction City. Nice looking setup. Anybody from here? Tom '89 Moonbeam Corvallis, OR -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (IPAD 2.05) id 2171900 ; Fri, 07 Aug 1998 17:36:50 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 17:37:20 -0400 From: Scot Piper To: Jim Hart CC: Pacific Coast List Subject: Re: PC800: FS: '89 PC800 True, but he '89 is a classic... And don't forget, the Pearl White is a $1000 option... Sorry, couldn't resist. Scot '89 PC800 "Venus" 18,600 miles Best color ever offered by Honda :-) ------------------------------------ Jim Hart wrote: > > Randy Bailey, RandyBailey@asu.edu writes: > > >It's a steal at $3,800 (my asking price). > > With all due respect, this price seems pretty high to me. A '90 in mint > condition with about the same miles just sold in my area (Maine) for > $3500. I just bought a '90 in mint condition with more miles, but with > loads of accessories, for a lot less. > > --- > Jim Hart > "Organization is necessary for things to exist; Chaos is necessary for > things to evolve." > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "The Broeking's" To: Subject: Re: PC800: I got her! Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:48:07 -0400 I dont think they do anymore judging from my 98. Bob -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Hart To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 2:02 PM Subject: Re: PC800: I got her! >>I'd check with Honda and see if they still clear coat the PC. > >According to Dale (I think), they don't. > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 14:52:41 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Steven Arita Subject: Re: PC800: FS: '89 PC800 For reference, I just got my '89 Classic for $2800 w/ backrest, bags, Hondaline tall shield (no distortion), etc. -Steven -------------------------------------------------------------------------- At 05:37 PM 8/7/98 -0400, you wrote: >True, but he '89 is a classic... And don't forget, the Pearl White is a >$1000 option... > >Sorry, couldn't resist. > >Scot >'89 PC800 "Venus" >18,600 miles >Best color ever offered by Honda :-) >------------------------------------ > >Jim Hart wrote: >> >> Randy Bailey, RandyBailey@asu.edu writes: >> >> >It's a steal at $3,800 (my asking price). >> >> With all due respect, this price seems pretty high to me. A '90 in mint >> condition with about the same miles just sold in my area (Maine) for >> $3500. I just bought a '90 in mint condition with more miles, but with >> loads of accessories, for a lot less. >> >> --- >> Jim Hart >> "Organization is necessary for things to exist; Chaos is necessary for >> things to evolve." >> >> -- >> Visit the PC800 web page at >> To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >> message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >> To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m28.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DK34VVQK; Fri, 07 Aug 1998 18:14:17 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: tdavies@sfcs.k12.ny.us Cc: gwta@voyager.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:14:00 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: I got her! From: swift24@juno.com (John D Louk) The Cycle Care stuff works on my candy glory red '90 PC. I've used it for five years. Both the #3 and the #33. No red on cloth. Perfect. No swirls. Does everything they say and more. One big bottle of the #3 takes care of my Jeep, Miata, and '90 PC for a year. Why are you reading this? Get on the phone and get it! John Louk Carmel, IN '90 PC "Ruby" _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:25:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Miller Subject: PC800: Helmet Life To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hey everyone: I don't post much, but I really enjoy lurking. Anyhow, I have a question. I guess this isn't unique to the PC, but what the heck, I would like your input. How long do you use a helmet? I suppose mileage as opposed to time would be more meaningful. I have a HJC full face, and I'm thinking I might want to replace it after a year, unless I can clean it up real good. I don't know if I can remove the liner without tearing it up. Tony Miller '97 w/3,000 miles == My homepage URL is http://members.tripod.com/~tlmiller/ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. X-UID: 0007e91a ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 19:05:53 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Helmet Life To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: tdavies@sfcs.k12.ny.us (Mr.Tim Davies) tonylmiller@yahoo.com,Internet writes: >Hey everyone: > >I don't post much, but I really enjoy lurking. Anyhow, I have a >question. I guess this isn't unique to the PC, but what the heck, I >would like your input. > >How long do you use a helmet? I suppose mileage as opposed to time >would be more meaningful. I have a HJC full face, and I'm thinking I >might want to replace it after a year, unless I can clean it up real >good. I don't know if I can remove the liner without tearing it up. > >Tony Miller > >'97 w/3,000 miles Cycle Care makes a helmet liner cleaner (#6) that I hear works very well. I just got a new helmet so I can't tell you from experience. (www.cyclecare.com) 800-728-7800. They might have free trial samples of it available. That's how they hooked me on their #3 Polish. Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:17:45 -0400 From: "Dana L. Sawyer" Subject: PC800: Helmet life To: HondaPacificCoastOwners , HSTA Postings to List There was a question recently concerning how long to use a helmet before replacing it. Keeping the helmet liner clean will play a large part in determining how long you use the helmet before replacing it. Thinking about the extreme heat we've had in many regions of the country this year, I'd like to suggest that listers consider using a helmet liner...one of those cloth/silk "thingies" that you put on your head befo= re you put on your helmet. They will sure keep the lining of your helmet clean and dry, and the liner can be washed whenever it needs it. Mine see= ms to reduce wind noise a bit. They are inexpensive...cost about $15. I've used one for some time and li= ke it. Lynn just wants me to put my helmet on quickly, as she cannot stand t= he looks of the liner by itself! Perhaps it's the guy wearing it that looks = so ugly! Dana -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 18:30:46 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: "Dana L. Sawyer" CC: HondaPacificCoastOwners , HSTA Postings to List Subject: Re: PC800: Helmet life Nope. It's the liner. That or we are all ugly. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 46 Liter GIVI Bag, Rifle Shield, and too many other options to list. (My Wife might see!) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 19:16:02 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Christopher J. Russell" Subject: PC800: Back from Sturgis--new tires needed Name: Chris Russell Location: Twin Cities, MN Email: crussell@sowashco.k12.mn.us PC Model year (if you have one): 1996 Bought Used/New: Bought new in May 1996, now has 19,000 miles Modifications made to bike: Corbin, Rifle, Givi, Throttlemeister Hi All-- It's been a while since I've been on the list, as you know, issues tend to cycle (no pun intended), and the list does generate a lot of mail with people who reply to entire copied messages. I have just come back from Strurgis. It was a pretty good time, surely not the place of bandits and outlaws of years past. I didn't even hear a single negative comment about my PC, which surprised me. That's probably because I was passing all of the Harleys at the speed limit (75 in SD). I was surprised because most of the Harleys were going about 60 to 65 miles an hour. Anyway, Sturgis is now a rally of many bikes, although 75% remain American. I was only up there a short while, beacuse one of my group members crashed his Goldwing shortly after passing Devil's Tower on Wednesday. He's okay with a broken leg and arm, but the bike is ruined. He was a party animal and hadn't slept too much, and even though he's been doing this at Sturgis for 20 years, this time it got the better of him. He nodded off for a second and that was all that it took. It's only by the grace of God that he landed in the grass. Had he landed on the pavement, he'd be dead. Of course, like most of the rally participants, he wasn't wearing a helmet, and his face would have been spared some damage had he had one on. Over the years I am becoming a firm believer in the use of helmets, to the point that I wore mine as I drove through the badlands! I stand convinced about the greatness of the PC, but there are times when I wish I had a cruiser, too. In fact, I am going to be looking at adding a Valk tourer and a trailer in the next year or so. The PC will remain, however. Although many of you have been Iron Butt people, I've done my first HEAVY travel this summer. I rode out to Nebraska and back, going 500 miles in a shot for the first time. My trip out to Sturgis was also a 650 mile one way trip, and of course, I went all the way going up and back. In the midst of this, my PC's K555 stock rear tire has finally worn to the point of replacement. That's 18,800 miles on one tire. Did you get that? I don't know how hard you have to ride to get 8,000 miles out of the same tire. My front tire is still going strong, in no need of replacement. Typically, I don't ride that hard, I keep air pressures up, and I do like rides in the country of 55-60 mph. Anyway, I called my trusty Honda dealer to find out that Dunlop is no longer making the K177 or K555 tire. I noticed one comment about this in the July and August archives. Has the impact of this decision been discussed on the listserver? Honda has purchased most of the remaining tires (Dunlop still has a few K555 in stock), and is charging a tremendous amount for them ($135). According to my research, that ought to be an $88 tire! I ordered a ME2 for the rear at a cost of $128 (with shipping and handling). If Dunlop drops the tire, will Metzeler do the same? Then what do we do for our bikes? I'm a little concerned about this. Also, with the HUGE price drop for the 96, 97, and 98 PCs, will there be a '99 year edition? Think about it...a '99 in a forest green that would have a "10th anniversary" plaque! My guess is the PC will be gone, and the ST1100 is in need of some modifications, too (Hasn't been touched except for the paint color). Honda's not a company that likes to let its competition get better ratings in the cycle mags. Just some elements to think about.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 0000,8080,0000Christopher J. Russell Director of Choral Activities Park High School Cottage Grove, Minnesota ffff,0000,0000crussell@sowashco.k12.mn.us tenorandtuba@juno.com 0000,0000,ffffhttp://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/4152
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Desmond Cockburn" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Numb right hand Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 17:38:12 PDT Dear Roger and Amr. I have had the same problem with my 95 PC and have only been marginally successful in solving the problem of the numb right hand. I have changed grips from the stock one, diameter the length of the grip, to a set of Sunline Touring grips from Dennis Kirk. These are a softer grip and are tapered somewhat on the outer end and the inner end. I also have taken to wearing a tennis elbow band on my right forearm. This combination has not completely cured the numbness but has lengthened the time before it really starts to bother me. I have tried different seating positions, sometimes forward and sometimes back in the seat to change my arm position and this has also seemed to help some. I'm not really fond of the bar position on the PC and consider it too far forward for me but short of taking off the bars and trying to do something with a set of Heli bars, which to my eye just wouldn't look right anyway, I have settled with the above solutions. Hope this helps. See ya down the Road, Des 95 Pacific Coast(Dream Weaver) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Francois Saint Laurent cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: another shield modification of "Thu, 06 Aug 1998 23:07:26 EDT." Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 19:36:37 -0500 Francois Saint Laurent writes: > Okay...here we go again..... I guess we haven't had the "What's a perfect > PC800" discussion in a few months... > > My choice for a Year 2000 PC800? > > 1 - a better electrical output. > 2 - a 6th gear to add to the exisitng 5, to lower my rpm's when highway > driving. This would also increase my range, and address the small gas tank > issue. > 3 - an extra inch of width in the trunk so that an XL Arai fits comfortably. My XXL Arai Signet/e fits. Put it in the protective helmet bag Arai included. Not sure if it fits in the right but I always put mine in the left side, upside down, face shield to the rear. Its not even a snug fit. Well... helmet doesn't settle to the bottom, but its an easy fit. Adding to the list: 4 - standard sized tires, so there are more than 2 choices for replcement tires. 5 - fuel injection. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 20:55:04 +0000 From: Bill Snead To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: Helmet Life Hi Tony, The common replacement advice is that most helmets, unless 100% fibreglass, should be replaced after 3 years. Sooner for fibreglass. Since this is based on some "average" of riding 3,500 mi's yearly, I would guess it's prudent to say replace your helmet every 3 years or 10,000 mi...whichever comes first. Even sitting in a closet, the styrofoam will break down over time to exposure to ozone, Household airborne's, Not to mention the UV, heat, sweat, dings that occur with actual riding. As you may be aware, some cleaners, stickers, paint may also compromise the helmets integrity. Tony Miller wrote: > How long do you use a helmet? I suppose mileage as opposed to time > would be more meaningful. -- Peace and All Good, Bill -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Tony Miller cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Helmet Life of "Fri, 07 Aug 1998 15:25:57 PDT." <19980807222557.22615.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 20:13:27 -0500 Tony Miller writes: > > How long do you use a helmet? I suppose mileage as opposed to time > would be more meaningful. I have a HJC full face, and I'm thinking I > might want to replace it after a year, unless I can clean it up real > good. I don't know if I can remove the liner without tearing it up. I recently retired a 12 year old helmet. It wasn't used much the past 8 years. My new Arai Signet/e comes with a 5 year warranty. The cheekpads and possibly other components are removable and washable. The owner's manual tells how to remove the liner from the cheekpads in order to wash it. '98 PC800W, "Macintosh" -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Delivered-To: fixup-pc800@hpc.uh.edu@fixme by omahpop1.omah.uswest.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 1998 01:53:43 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 18:53:06 -0700 From: "nuhusker@ne.uswest.net" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: PC 800 Parts Question?? I just got back from Sturgis, and have to say it was neat to see several PC 800's on or near Main St. A red one on Tuesday and a White one on Wednesday. Anyway while in S.D. my PC fell over in some soft gravel and scratched up the left side luggage guard and crash guard covers. Does anyone know of a good dealer to order these parts from. My dealer in Omaha wants my first born for each piece. I know there are some large volume dealers that sell at a discount, does anyone know the names of some of the large dealers. Thanks Dennis Omaha, NE -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Fri, 07 Aug 1998 23:07:29 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael D. Linkous" To: "Pacific Coast" Subject: PC800: Shoei RF-800 Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 23:09:08 -0400 As I get ever closer to buying a PC00, I am wondering opinions of the Shoei- RF-800. Does any PC'ers happen to have one? If so, do you like it? I tried one on and really like it. Not sure if I will stick with a red one to match the bike or go a little wilder and purchase the RF-800 TZ 1 Zen or the Jag TC 1...... Appreciate the input... I dont even have the bike yet and I am thinking of accessories.... Is the trunk light kit a "Do it yourselfer" or should I have the dealer install it... ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- Michael D. Linkous Bluefield, WV www.angelfire.com/wv/mlink/index.html -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with ESMTP (IPAD 2.10/64) id 4434500 ; Fri, 07 Aug 1998 20:16:13 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 20:17:41 -0700 From: Eric Matthews To: PC800 Mail List Subject: PC800: Stinky Head I'm pretty impressed with this 'Fabreeze' stuff. I recently washed out my helmet with the soap and garden hose method (took 4 days to dry!) but it was still kind of stinky, so I shot some Fabreeze in there. Wow, it's been several weeks of riding in the heat and still no bad smell. Eric -- _______________________________ MaxLumen Graphics and Web Design Eric Matthews mailto:eric@maxlumen.com http://maxlumen.com _______________________________ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Donald R. Hamilton" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Back from Sturgis--new tires needed Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 23:24:18 -0400 hey troops... on the never-ending subject of tires... my month and a half old '98 now has 1800 miles on it...and i managed to pick up a nail in the rear tire. i went to my local dlr and was pleased to find he had both the k555 ($89.99) and the k177 ($115.99) in stock. i chose the k555...partly because i'm cheap but mostly because that's what's on the front. ride safe! don -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Doylefish@aol.com Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 23:31:42 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Red with trailer in Oregon? Tom, I am pretty sure you saw old Steve, He is in his late 70's and I talked him into buying that 96 Pacific Coast from Fred's Honda. They call him Red because he dressed in red, Has a red Miada and a 800 Intruder. He is quite a character. He likes to mount his CB's on the inside of his windshield. He designed and made the hitch for his trailer also. The only bad thing is no computer. Enjoy the Ride. Doyle C. Frazier Lebanon, Oregon 95PC-Dark Vadar Note: Old Steve is very active in the OUMCI (I am also) a version of the Retreads over 40 group. They do a lot of riding. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Covert" To: Subject: PC800: Reasonable Price Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 22:59:32 -0700 Hi, I've narrowed my search for a bike to the Pacific Coast, if I buy new. I searched the archives and did not find the answer to this question. (I thought I had read a couple of posts but couldn't find them.) What's reasonable price on a new bike excluding sales tax and license? Any exceptional dealers in the vicinity of Seattle, Washington? I seem to rember that in the posts I read, but couldn't find in the archives, speculated that the PC was not going to be sold in the U.S. anymore. Feedback appreciated, Rick -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 02:15:55 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Helmet Life Hi, Tony: A helmet that hasn't been dropped or damaged in some other way should last for 3 and 5 years, especially the modern ones with a shell made of kevlar and other composties. The older fiberglass shells begin to delaminate and lose strenght as they get older, but the newer composites are more stable. The comfort liner can be washed without removing it from the helmet. All you have to do is use a mild detergent solution (I use Woolite) and gently scrub the liner with a soft brush. Rinse the liner thoroughly by filling it with water, kneeding the liner a bit to loosen the detergent, and pouring the water out. Repeat this until it rinses clear. Pack the helmet with some old towels and let it sit for a bit to get most of the water out of the liner. Then allow the helmet to air dry (it may take a couple of days). You can speed the drying process by putting the helmet on the wire guard of a vertically oriented electric fan. Once the liner is dry, you can try using one of several "helmet fresheners" or one of the similar fabric freshener sprays like "Fabreeze" you can get at the supermarket.. Hope this helps. J.T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 02:15:52 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Half Helmets, Etc. Hi all: In a message dated 98-08-07 12:33:55 EDT, fsl writes: << . . . when the time came to change my glasses, I bought frames that had the double hinged springs on the arms, so I can easily flex them into place without wearing them out. >> Another good option for eyewear that works great with full coverage helmets are to get the new (well, not really new) titanium alloy frames (Flexon is a popular brand name). You can bend these beauties any way you need to without hurting them in the least. They're not cheap, but they are worth the price when it comes to riding at least. J.T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 02:16:00 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Shoei RF-800 Hi, All: In a message dated 98-08-07 23:08:31 EDT, Michael writes: << I am wondering opinions of the Shoei- RF-800. Does any PC'ers happen to have one? If so, do you like it? >> I have one, Michael, and I am very pleased with it. It is the quietest, most comfortable helmet I've ever had. Unless you have an "Arai head," I can recommend it without hesitation. J.T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DK46EUAJ; Sat, 08 Aug 1998 04:00:16 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:07:22 -0700 Subject: Doylefish@aol.com: Re: PC800: Red with trailer in Oregon? From: jdc84@juno.com (Joyce D Calvert) Hi everyone Been on the list only a few days, but would like to know more about the trailer. One of my BIG wishes for my PC. So you say Steve has no computer to communicate with us? Sure would like to talk to him or others who have experience with a trailer and a PC. I have yet to investigate the archives to see what you all have talked about in the past, but since you brought it up . . . . . Happy trails, Joyce --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Doylefish@aol.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Red with trailer in Oregon? Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 23:31:42 EDT Tom, I am pretty sure you saw old Steve, He is in his late 70's and I talked him into buying that 96 Pacific Coast from Fred's Honda. They call him Red because he dressed in red, Has a red Miada and a 800 Intruder. He is quite a character. He likes to mount his CB's on the inside of his windshield. He designed and made the hitch for his trailer also. The only bad thing is no computer. Enjoy the Ride. Doyle C. Frazier Lebanon, Oregon 95PC-Dark Vadar Note: Old Steve is very active in the OUMCI (I am also) a version of the Retreads over 40 group. They do a lot of riding. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. --------- End forwarded message ---------- _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. via smtpd (for mailrelay.data-io.com [139.138.100.89]) with SMTP; 8 Aug 1998 08:32:33 UT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Cotes, Steven" To: Pacific Coast Subject: RE: PC800: Shoei RF-800 Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:33:01 -0800 Michael, I'm very happy with my RF800. The no-tool quick changing shield is great. Helmet came with the clear, so far I've also bought the dark tint. My wife made me a nice flannel sleeve to carry the one I'm not using. Always have one on the helmet, one in the trunk. Planning on picking up another clear one and adding a Fog City Pro-Shield to it before Fall. I do wish I could fit it in the trunk, it's just a little tight. -HTH, -steve cotes > ---------- > From: Michael D. Linkous[SMTP:mdlinkous@netlinkcorp.com] > Sent: Friday, August 07, 1998 7:09 PM > To: Pacific Coast > Subject: PC800: Shoei RF-800 > > As I get ever closer to buying a PC00, I am wondering opinions of the > Shoei- > RF-800. Does any PC'ers happen to have one? If so, do you like it? > > I tried one on and really like it. Not sure if I will stick with a > red one > to match the bike or go a little wilder and purchase the RF-800 TZ 1 > Zen or > the Jag TC 1...... > > Appreciate the input... > > I dont even have the bike yet and I am thinking of accessories.... Is > the > trunk light kit a "Do it yourselfer" or should I have the dealer > install > it... > ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- > Michael D. Linkous > Bluefield, WV > www.angelfire.com/wv/mlink/index.html > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. via smtpd (for mailrelay.data-io.com [139.138.100.89]) with SMTP; 8 Aug 1998 09:07:51 UT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Cotes, Steven" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "'Covert'" Subject: RE: PC800: Reasonable Price Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:08:19 -0800 Rick, If you already have a relationship with a dealer, I'd suggest trying to make a deal with them. If you don't, I'd suggest doing what I did. When you are ready to buy, open the Yellow Pages and start calling. If you can, speak to the sales manager and ask for a price "out the door". As earlier posting have said, the end of the month they are usually more motivated. That's what I did at the end of March. I picked up a new '96 for $5600 plus tax and license. I got mine from Lake City Honda in Seattle. I wanted a '96, if I had wanted a '97 model Brett Fladseth at I-90 Motorsports in Issaquah had the best price. Although I haven't had work done there (yet), I've heard good things about their service department. I will say it only took one service experience at the place I bought it to know that I'll never let them touch it again. - HTH, -steve cotes > ---------- > From: Covert[SMTP:rcovert@halcyon.com] > Sent: Friday, August 07, 1998 9:59 PM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: Reasonable Price > > Hi, > > I've narrowed my search for a bike to the Pacific Coast, if I buy new. > I > searched the archives and did not find the answer to this question. > (I > thought I had read a couple of posts but couldn't find them.) > > What's reasonable price on a new bike excluding sales tax and license? > > Any exceptional dealers in the vicinity of Seattle, Washington? > > I seem to rember that in the posts I read, but couldn't find in the > archives, speculated that the PC was not going to be sold in the U.S. > anymore. > > Feedback appreciated, > > Rick > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jeffrey A. Guntert" To: Subject: PC800: Controls Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 06:45:21 -0400 Importance: Normal Hi gang, I've noticed on my 1996 PC800 that all the paint that is on the handlebar controls is just wearing off. I can't think of anything that I use chemically that would cause such a problem. Has anyone else had the same problem with theirs??? There is no paint to highlight the engine kill switch, and almost none on the high/low beam, horn and starter switch. Not a big problem, just an annoyance... Thanks, Jeffrey A. Guntert 96 PC800 5,768 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 07:08:09 -0400 From: "Gordon B. Frank" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Numb right hand Re: hand problems.. The pain was getting severe in my right shoulder and hand, so after eliminating the plastic wrist rests sold at the Homecoming, I purchased the large one made by Markland (really a palm rest). It was an unbelievable quick relief from the pain and allowed me to continue the trip from Ohio, thru Memphis on my way to Dallas (& the ron ayres 7/49 party). Had to affix the hand rest via velcro and it works fine with my throttle lock. Now what do you get to rest the left palm on, for those of us with short arms? Gordon, 96PC 23k miles --- Desmond Cockburn wrote: > Dear Roger and Amr. > I have had the same problem with my 95 PC and have only been marginally successful in solving the problem of the numb right hand. I have changed grips from the stock one, diameter the length of the grip, ----- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. X-UID: 0007e949 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 07:25:10 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Shoei RF-800 To: mdlinkous@netlinkcorp.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: tdavies@sfcs.k12.ny.us (Mr.Tim Davies) mdlinkous@netlinkcorp.com,Internet writes: >As I get ever closer to buying a PC00, I am wondering opinions of the >Shoei- >RF-800. Does any PC'ers happen to have one? If so, do you like it? > >I tried one on and really like it. Not sure if I will stick with a red >one >to match the bike or go a little wilder and purchase the RF-800 TZ 1 Zen >or >the Jag TC 1...... > >Appreciate the input... > >I dont even have the bike yet and I am thinking of accessories.... Is the >trunk light kit a "Do it yourselfer" or should I have the dealer install >it... >----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- >Michael D. Linkous >Bluefield, WV >www.angelfire.com/wv/mlink/index.html Hi Mike, I don't know about the Shoei helmet, but I just ordered a Nolan N100 ($179) from Dennis Kirk (800-328-9280). Actually I already got it, but their size large is smaller than the other helmet I have so I am exchanging it. This one is neat because the whole front flips up so I can get it on without taking off my glasses. It uses an eliptical mechanism (spring loaded to keep it open) so when the chin guard flips up on top of the helmet it drops down close so it can be worn open (although Nolan recommends not) as an open face. It has the biggest air vents I have ever seen on a helmet and looks very high tech. I have ordered the trunk light kit from my dealer (estimated delivery 9/4/98). Others on the listserv say it is user installable, but is not a quick job. This advice was given here by Tom Brown (tom@islanddata.com): "Piece of cake, requires a little plastic cutting, Dremel is good for it, but a good utility knife does the job. Be careful with the trunk sensor and aligning the wires when you install the sensor part. You might plan on doing the brake light and trunk light at the same time so you don't have to remove the dove tail and reseal it twice." Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 04:28:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Miller Subject: PC800: Good Helmet Advice To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I hate to take up the bandwidth, but I have to thank you folk for all the good advice on cleaning up the old helmet. This is a great list. Tony == My homepage URL is http://members.tripod.com/~tlmiller/ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "The Broeking's" To: "Pacific Coast" Subject: Re: PC800: Shoei RF-800 Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 08:26:08 -0400 I have mine for over 30 days and find it the most comfortable I have had and it is very quiet. I have a large red one (matches almost perfect to 98 bike) and it fits in left side on trunk upside down. The vents they advertise are mostly just that - advertisement. Bob Bob Broeking in Springfield, VA.... http://whitespider.aawsom.net "I'll get the rope..."Anderl Hinterstoisser, North Face of the Eiger, July 19th, 1936... broeking@erols.com -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Michael D. Linkous To: Pacific Coast Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 11:09 PM Subject: PC800: Shoei RF-800 >As I get ever closer to buying a PC00, I am wondering opinions of the Shoei- >RF-800. Does any PC'ers happen to have one? If so, do you like it? > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. env-from (bdhopkins@pcisys.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Brian Hopkins To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: RE: PC800: Half Helmets, Etc. Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 07:25:19 -0700 Another good option for eyewear that works great with full coverage = helmets are to get the new (well, not really new) titanium alloy frames (Flexon = is a popular brand name). You can bend these beauties any way you need to = without hurting them in the least. They're not cheap, but they are worth the = price when it comes to riding at least. Yep, I have these (because I broke my old ones fitting them into the = helmet a couple million times). They are pretty cool. You can actually = bend them 180 degrees and they don't break. Very light also. FWIW Brian D. Hopkins Bdhopkins@pcisys.net '96 VFR '97 PC 800 HSTA #8274 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 09:18:55 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: jeffguntert@taconic.net CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Controls My 95's buttons are naked and they only bathe in soap and water. I've considerd trying a small art brush and model paint or fingernail polish. If I ever get around to it I will report back. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 46 Liter GIVI Bag, Rifle Shield, and too many other options to list. (My Wife might see!) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Roger Bowen" To: "Joyce D Calvert" Subject: Re: PC800: GPCPCY2000 Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 08:45:44 -0700 Hi Joyce, I'm afraid we'll have to rely on Tim Macy (timmacy@juno.com ) in that I'm more of a 'worker bee' type and have no expertise in organizing these things. Maybe if we keep mentioning it often enough something will happen. I don't know about everyone's schedule, but why wait until the year 2000? On another subject, I'm trying out a 'cheap' solution for a dashboard clock. I picked up a LCD stick-on battery powered clock at Radio Shack for $7.99. It is removable from the mounting bracket which I placed on the right-side speaker cover. This should allow you to stick it in your pocket for protection from heavy downpours, etc.. The thing is quite compact but easy to read (at least in the daytime) and since it's black it's a fairly close match to the dash. I'll report back later if it doesn't hold up to the rigors of motorcycling. Cheers, Roger (98 PC) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 11:27:48 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Christopher J. Russell" Subject: PC800: trailer hitches Hi all... Doing a little research on the web this morning, simply thinking about future motorcycles and the like, knowing that with the next added bike, I want a small trailer. As it goes, I'm looking at prices everywhere, trying to find a small trailer I saw in Sturgis that had a rubbermaid sort of cargo carrier. Anyway, I came across this company offering a PC trailer hitch, and I was surprised. If this information has already been disclosed, I apologize. Anyway, the website is: http://www.trailmasterinc.com/hotframes.html The company is trailmaster, and I have no idea about prices. I e-mailed away for more information. As a disclaimer, the use of a trailer hitch is highly disrecommended in the PC800 owner's manual, and I think its use will void the warranty. On the other hand, my 96 looses its warranty in a short while, so I have nothing to loose anyway (I couldn't validate getting an extended warranty with such a bullet-proof bike). Chris
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 0000,8080,0000Christopher J. Russell Director of Choral Activities Park High School Cottage Grove, Minnesota ffff,0000,0000crussell@sowashco.k12.mn.us tenorandtuba@juno.com 0000,0000,ffffhttp://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/4152
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) Sat, 8 Aug 1998 16:08:34 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 11:05:54 -0500 From: MICHAEL TOLAR To: "Cotes, Steven" CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "'Covert'" Subject: Re: PC800: Reasonable Price Rick, Just bought a new '98 PC from a dealer in northern Indiana for $6,022 plus sales tax. I have seen prices as low as $5850 on the net but I would have had to pay to have the bike shipped to the Midwest. Check out EXCITE motorcycle adds, some of the lower priced dealers were in Oregon. It took the dealer ten days to deliver the bike. While I was waiting the sun was out every day.Since I took delivery it has not stopped raining . Thanks to everyone on the list.You made my purchase a lot easier. P.S. I have a ARAI helmet,a Darien suite and Corbin boots. Can recommend all three. MIKE Cotes, Steven wrote: > Rick, > If you already have a relationship with a dealer, > I'd suggest trying to make a deal with them. > > If you don't, I'd suggest doing what I did. > When you are ready to buy, open the Yellow Pages and > start calling. If you can, speak to the sales manager and ask > for a price "out the door". As earlier posting have said, the > end of the month they are usually more motivated. > > That's what I did at the end of March. I picked up a new '96 for > $5600 plus tax and license. I got mine from Lake City Honda > in Seattle. I wanted a '96, if I had wanted a '97 model Brett Fladseth > at I-90 Motorsports in Issaquah had the best price. Although I > haven't had work done there (yet), I've heard good things about their > service department. I will say it only took one service experience > at the place I bought it to know that I'll never let them touch it > again. > > - HTH, > -steve cotes > > > ---------- > > From: Covert[SMTP:rcovert@halcyon.com] > > Sent: Friday, August 07, 1998 9:59 PM > > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > > Subject: PC800: Reasonable Price > > > > Hi, > > > > I've narrowed my search for a bike to the Pacific Coast, if I buy new. > > I > > searched the archives and did not find the answer to this question. > > (I > > thought I had read a couple of posts but couldn't find them.) > > > > What's reasonable price on a new bike excluding sales tax and license? > > > > Any exceptional dealers in the vicinity of Seattle, Washington? > > > > I seem to rember that in the posts I read, but couldn't find in the > > archives, speculated that the PC was not going to be sold in the U.S. > > anymore. > > > > Feedback appreciated, > > > > Rick > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DK6AQH2P; Sat, 08 Aug 1998 14:34:42 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: jeffguntert@taconic.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:11:04 -0700 Subject: Re: PC800: Controls From: jdc84@juno.com (Joyce D Calvert) Ya, I've had the same problem on my controls and I have a '96. I've thought about taking some oil based white paint and painting them back on, but I haven't tried it yet. They started fading after about a year. Joyce _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DK6AQH3K; Sat, 08 Aug 1998 14:34:42 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:38:54 -0700 Subject: PC800: 2000 is Too Far Away! From: jdc84@juno.com (Joyce D Calvert) Hi Roger, et al I agree, let's keep talking about it. If anyone is coming close to the Bay Area before 2000, email me. I'll ride a couple hundred miles with you. About the clock. I had a little white one on my '89 PC. Bought it for a couple bucks at an auto parts store. It lasted a couple years, but the LCD display finally faded because of the sun. I placed it in the middle of my tachometer, no velcro, just stuck it there. Since they're only a couple of bucks, you can pry them off every year or so and reglue it with a new one. My experience with Radio Shack (although it is one of my favorite stores), is that they are EXPENSIVE, no matter what you're buying. I've been able to find almost anything they offer at a cheaper price at the "we sell everything" type of stores (Best Buy, Wal-Mart, Target, K Mart, etc.). Happy Trails, Joyce _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 14:37:26 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: Covert CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Reasonable Price Rick, In Michigan I got a price of 5850 for a 98. However, as there were no 98's to be found in Michigan or the surrounding States, I got a new 97 for the same price. I am happy. Start looking soon or they all may be gone! TommyTeal -- 93SE(Teal, you think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast 98V-Star(Red? you bet) GWTA of Michigan web site http://my.voyager.net/gwta/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Robert Coulter" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: Numb right hand Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 16:25:06 -0400 -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Gordon B. Frank To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Saturday, August 08, 1998 7:05 AM Subject: Re: PC800: Numb right hand >Re: hand problems.. The pain was getting severe in my right shoulder >and hand, so after eliminating the plastic wrist rests sold at the >Homecoming, I purchased the large one made by Markland (really a palm >rest). It was an unbelievable quick relief from the pain and allowed me >to continue the trip from Ohio, thru Memphis on my way to Dallas (& the >ron ayres 7/49 party). Had to affix the hand rest via velcro and it >works fine with my throttle lock. Now what do you get to rest the left >palm on, for those of us with short arms? > Gordon, 96PC 23k miles >--- >Gordon, I think you may have hit on one of the causes for the arm and shoulder pain -- short arms. This year I've had a real problem with my left shoulder and arm aching. I try to relax the arm, keeping the elbow bent, etc. Sometimes I even rest my left hand on my left leg for a change of position (but I don't feel comfortable doing that for very long). I noticed that when using the clutch, my hand has to roll up and over the clutch, resulting in a rather unnatural position. I think someone with smallish hands will notice this more. An adjustable clutch lever would probably help. I thought if the pain doesn't go away after riding season, I'd better make a trip to the dr. Perhaps it's arthritis? BTW, I purchased a set of gel handlebar grips, Pro Grips, which are better overall. Needed to get the extra long ones for the PC. Karen '97 PC "Li'l Red" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Doylefish@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:41:19 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: trailer hitches Chris, Even putting a hitch on a GoldWing voids the warranty. Most dealers just overlook it. All manufactors try to protect themselves as mush as possible. Old Steve has one of those cargo trailers that will weight probably 200 lbs loaded with less than a 30 pound tongue weight. I would not advise pulling a heavy Quik Camp type trailer if for no other reason that the hitch can not be make strong enough. Ride safe. Doyle -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "The Broeking's" To: Subject: PC800: Stealth or Not (Decals) - The Survey sez...... Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:45:27 -0400 Small # of respondees...so scientific poll results not available, :-) but the vote was: Leave on :: 9 Take off: 6 Interesting comments; folks feel very strongly on either side of the vote: Comments from folks who have left their decals on: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------- - Left 'em on - but on an '89 they aren't too bad IMHO. Tom '89 Moonbeam Corvallis, OR - I still have all my Honda markings. My PC800 is 3 weeks old. I got my bike pinstriped at the Honda Homecoming in Ohio 2 weeks ago and it makes a world of difference in the look of the bike.Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 - I have put red and black "Hardly A. Davidson" static cling signs on my white PC, as well as giving one to John Louk (swift24@juno.com), Ron Grant (ultspnch@powerup.com.au) and Hallman Wong (hwong29@idt.net). Feel free to query them. If you want one send me your Snail Mail address. Ann (note she even added some!) - Left on, but considering removing them. Dave David Shumaker, kd7yd@sprynet.com Puyallup, Washington (Seattle-Tacoma area) '97 Honda PC 800, 'Red Peppers'AMA #633741, HRCA # HH696082 - I left my decals on and had beautiful flames painted. The ghost flames in the front frame in HONDA and roll over PACIFIC COAST. The tips are sponge painted and shimmer in the light. Some are blue and white and others are pink and yellow. It sounds yucky, but you gotta see it! Real Ralph in Santa Cruz Calif is a great painter. Had my helmet done too! with the red leather jacket - there is no confusion that this is a girl!Cindy96 PC new in Feb with 5,500 miles, just returned from Canada - Hi there!I've had mine for two years and never even thought of messing with the decals, but that helmet one has been bugging me to no end. Hairdryer works, huh? I'll try it. Thanks. Joyce - My helmet decal was history months ago, but the rest will stay...I may want to sell it some day.Regards, Lee - I've left mine on. I figure that if I'm proud of my bike and think other people should be interested in one, I ought to let them know what it is.George HilsingerHilsinG@wsdot.wa.gov - Still on. I recently found out the whole bike was re-'painted', probably because it crashed before. I'm not sure I wanna found out what color is behind the decals. Emile Nossin'90 PC800 " The Flying Dutchman "Santpoort, Holland, Europe Emile@Cybercomm.nl And then from the folks who have taken theirs off:: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------- - Count me in the group that intends to remove the decals. I got some "Goo Gone" and took the one off of the rear end, but it was harder to do than I wanted. So I am looking for a can of "Goof Off" to try it. Then they will all come off. rich -Took them all off. Bike looks much better IMHO.Steve Scudder97PC800@bizgroup.net Grand Rapids, MI - I removed the right side stickers from the trunk. I think it looks better without. My only problem is you can just make out where the sticker was. My bike is a '90, so the paint has faded slightly. Later.JamesLubbock, Tx - All my decals are OFF!!Don Bennett'97 PC800 The Grateful Red - Took mine off and never looked back. It's great because no one knows what it is. I've had some very opinionated riders come over and start eyeing the bike "wow, pretty cool, what is it?"I smile and say "Honda Pacific Coast" "Oh," they grumble, suddenly turning away, ashamed that I caught them actually liking a Pacific Coast."It's ok, I won't tell..." I reassure them.Greg Torok 97 PC800 - i took the pacific coast off the back and left the rest , Scott Casuto ------------------------ Heading outside to at least take the two Honda decals off the fairing.... Bob Bob Broeking in Springfield, VA.... http://whitespider.aawsom.net "I'll get the rope..."Anderl Hinterstoisser, North Face of the Eiger, July 19th, 1936... broeking@erols.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sat, 08 Aug 1998 18:05:19 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael D. Linkous" To: "Pacific Coast" Subject: PC800: 97 PC800 prices Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 18:06:32 -0400 I noticed in a posting from "TommyTeal" that he purchased a 97 for $5850. I am wondering if this was the PRICE or was there a setup charge tacked onto the 5850. I am almost ready to purchase a 97 model myself. The owner gave me the same price of $5850, plus he wants $150 setup charge. Should I be able to talk him down from this???... esp. since it is a 97 and he has had it quite awhile. I am roughing looking at $6600 (or there about) out the door. This includes a Shoei RF-800 helmet, tax, DMV charges, etc. Breakdown was: $6000 bike (5850 +150 setup) $315 sales tax $90 DMV (tags, license, etc.) $204 helmet (which i am thinking is a fair price.. .dealer has them on the shelf for $269-289.) I just question that setup charge. It is like that "processing fee" at the car dealers. If I were in the motorcycle busincess, I would glady set the bike up if someone was going to buy it. Couldn't be that much to it anyway. It seems to me I should get this 97 *a little* cheaper since people are getting 98's for about tthe same price. I am going to try to talk him down a little, esp. since I plan to buy a few accessories. Wish me well! I am going back to the dealer Tuesday to talk some more. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Akoell@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 22:34:04 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: EyeGlass wearers Sure, I wear glasses for driving my Blazer, but have you visited your local optician lately? Ask for "Rec Specs". They are sport goggles that are light weight and are fitted to your prescription lenses. I keep them in the trunk of my PC. They are comfortable, UV protected, (if you pay extra) and are avalable in transition (plastic) lenses. Just be carefull about cleaning them. they're guaranteed for a year against scratching; but if you keep them in their little bag when not in use and use proper tissues to clean them, then they shouldn't scratch. I find them more convenient for a bike then regular glasses since they have an elastic band on them that's easier to use with a helmet. Ask for Rec Specs at your local optometrist. (Got mine at Eyecare Professionals in NJ) Al (94 PC in Trenton, NJ) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. env-from (bdhopkins@pcisys.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Brian Hopkins To: Pacific Coast Subject: RE: PC800: 97 PC800 prices Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 21:42:05 -0700 I don't pay setup fees. Period. It isn't negotiable. They don't sell the bike as a kit. The bike is sold set and up and built and running. Tell them to take the setup fee off the table and it isn't negotiable. = You might still get stuck paying documentation fees (around 50 bucks) = but that tends to be normal and you got that back in the helmet so = that's a wash. That's a pretty good price but I bought a new '97 in May for 5750 plus = tax, title, license, and doc fees (60 bucks), so he has room to move and = make money. Play hardball, because they are playing hardball with you. Brian D. Hopkins Bdhopkins@pcisys.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Michael D. Linkous [SMTP:mdlinkous@netlinkcorp.com] Sent: Saturday, August 08, 1998 3:07 PM To: Pacific Coast Subject: PC800: 97 PC800 prices I noticed in a posting from "TommyTeal" that he purchased a 97 for = $5850. I am wondering if this was the PRICE or was there a setup charge tacked = onto the 5850. I am almost ready to purchase a 97 model myself. The owner = gave me the same price of $5850, plus he wants $150 setup charge. Should I be able to talk him down from this???... esp. since it is a 97 = and he has had it quite awhile. I am roughing looking at $6600 (or there about) out the door. This = includes a Shoei RF-800 helmet, tax, DMV charges, etc. Breakdown was: $6000 bike (5850 +150 setup) $315 sales tax $90 DMV (tags, license, etc.) $204 helmet (which i am thinking is a fair price.. .dealer has them on = the shelf for $269-289.) I just question that setup charge. It is like that "processing fee" at = the car dealers. If I were in the motorcycle busincess, I would glady set = the bike up if someone was going to buy it. Couldn't be that much to it = anyway. It seems to me I should get this 97 *a little* cheaper since people are getting 98's for about tthe same price. I am going to try to talk him = down a little, esp. since I plan to buy a few accessories. Wish me well! I am going back to the dealer Tuesday to talk some more. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 23:54:28 -0400 From: Thomas Ongstad To: "Michael D. Linkous" CC: Pacific Coast Subject: Re: PC800: 97 PC800 prices reply LOOOONNNNNGGGG Michael D. Linkous wrote: > > I noticed in a posting from "TommyTeal" that he purchased a 97 for $5850. I > am wondering if this was the PRICE or was there a setup charge tacked onto > the 5850. I am almost ready to purchase a 97 model myself. The owner gave > me the same price of $5850, plus he wants $150 setup charge. > > Should I be able to talk him down from this???... esp. since it is a 97 and > he has had it quite awhile. > > I am roughing looking at $6600 (or there about) out the door. This includes > a Shoei RF-800 helmet, tax, DMV charges, etc. > > Breakdown was: > $6000 bike (5850 +150 setup) > $315 sales tax > $90 DMV (tags, license, etc.) > $204 helmet (which i am thinking is a fair price.. .dealer has them on the > shelf for $269-289.) > > I just question that setup charge. It is like that "processing fee" at the > car dealers. If I were in the motorcycle busincess, I would glady set the > bike up if someone was going to buy it. Couldn't be that much to it anyway. > > It seems to me I should get this 97 *a little* cheaper since people are > getting 98's for about tthe same price. I am going to try to talk him down > a little, esp. since I plan to buy a few accessories. > > Wish me well! I am going back to the dealer Tuesday to talk some more. > Ok, you is talkin about me! Let me explain my deal. A dealer I went to offered to get me a 98 PC for $5,850 plus tax (6% or $351) title and plates ($19 for plate transfer from my ACE), total $6,220. But he could not get the bike and I went to another dealer who matched (in total for $6,220) for a 97 PC (only PC available). When (a couple of days later) I went in to sign the papers, the total was the same, $6,220, but for whatever reason after backing $350 for taxes and $34 for title and plates (bought new plates, no transfer), they also backed out $40 for a Documentation fee, $50 set-up fee, and $65 freight, bringing the base price to $5,681. Why did they go through all this, heck I don't know. Didn't save them anything in taxes. So technically I paid $5,681 for the bike, but in reality, I paid $5,850. So Mike, you would be paying $150 more for the bike than I did, but so what. Is this the only one available? Will he not budge further on the price? I get 20% off accessories, but your getting over 27% (approx.) off the helmet so your getting a better deal on that. How bad do you want this bike? Can you get a better deal somewhere else? Can you even get it someplace else? Decisions, decisions. Finally, I am not sure if you all are familiar with Motorcycle Consumer News. Excellent, get it. Anyway, the May 1998 issue discussed buying a new bike and here are some excellent and interesting comments regarding all those little charges they like to tack on. Quote (and please don't sue me MCN for passing this along) "Shipping costs are always added (by the dealer to your invoice). Actual shipping costs from Manufacturer...cost about $40-$70 but some dealers are known to charge as high as $500...or maybe $250...." "Prep or Set-up is another add-on charge, varying from $50-$200 at different dealers. Actually, THE MANUFACTURERS pay the dealers to do assembly...." "There are two more profit factors that won't be listed on the purchase order you sign, but which determine your bottom line, nevertheless: the rebate and the hold-back." Rebates may not always be known to the buyer and hold-backs are based on goals set by the manufacturer to the dealer on sales and can be as high as $1,000 per bike on a Gold Wing. Bottom line, try to compare apples. Which means comparisons with 85% of the people on this list are meaningless. Compare what your dealers that YOU are willing to deal with are offering you (out the door, if and only if, taxes and registration are like). If some want to charge you $50 here and another wants $100 there, ignore. What do they want in total and what is the best they can do IN TOTAL, is what is important. I used to think that I could argue with these guys "why should I pay for set up when the manufacturer is already paying you", etc? Who cares, they will just argue back, you get frustrated and go nowhere. Just get thier best price and be sure they know you are shopping around. They don't like that, too bad, you don't want to deal with someone with that kind of attitude anyway. That is why I got the best price I could then asked about trade in. Keep it clean. Try to avoid addon's and noncomparable items from dealer to dealer if you can. Remember, "the real money is made in the service area and in parts and accessories". Good Luck (PS, seems good to me, but what did I say about meaningless comparisons :-) TommyTeal -- 93SE(Teal, you think?) 95Hannigan 95ACE (got to go) 97Pacific Coast 98V-Star(Red? you bet) GWTA of Michigan web site http://my.voyager.net/gwta/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: PC800: K177 price Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 10:16:40 -0400 Cris Russell wrote: >Honda has purchased most of the remaining tires (Dunlop still has a >few K555 in stock), and is charging a tremendous amount for them ($135). > According to my research, that ought to be an $88 tire! I ordered a ME2 >for the rear at a cost of $128 (with shipping and handling). I think that's always been the suggested retail for the K177 from Honda.This isn't a new rip-off price; just continuation of the old one. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. X-UID: 0007e978 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 08:28:54 -0400 Subject: PC800: Address Change To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: tdavies@sfcs.k12.ny.us (Mr.Tim Davies) FYI I will be unsubscribing from the pc800 listserv with this address and reappearing under a new address. I need to keep my "passion mail" separate from my work mail. You'll next see me as pc800@sfcs.k12.ny.us Tim Davies- Pacific Coast '98 Seneca Falls, New York 13148 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "'PC800 List'" From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: K177 price of "Sun, 09 Aug 1998 10:16:40 EDT." <01BDC380.336AA820@pm1-25.tricon.net> Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 11:47:05 -0500 Jim Randall writes: > Cris Russell wrote: > >Honda has purchased most of the remaining tires (Dunlop still has a > >few K555 in stock), and is charging a tremendous amount for them ($135). > > According to my research, that ought to be an $88 tire! I ordered a ME2 > >for the rear at a cost of $128 (with shipping and handling). > > I think that's always been the suggested retail for the K177 from Honda.This > isn't a new rip-off price; just continuation of the old one. Ditto. Dealer cost for parts is usually about 66% of SRP, putting the quantity one price of a $135 SRP item at $89.10, or about the same price as the more efficient mail order sources. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DK8P88NT; Sun, 09 Aug 1998 13:09:30 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: HALF HELMET EYEWEAR 56-57,62-63,67-68,73-78,80 From: annreid@juno.com (ann s reid) Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 13:09:30 EDT HALF HELMET EYEWEAR (For Weak-Eyed Bikers) (**) 1) SANE or INSANE? I have always worn a white half helmet -- for personal, practical, comfort reasons, not because it's the safest, most sensible, right choice. *Hmmm* Sorta sums up my life, too. *OUCH* Besides, it's easy to touch up marks on a white helmet with snow paint. i.e. Whiteout, Liquid Paper, Dryline. 2) FLEXON FRAMES: I have and like my "Flexon" frames in both dark and clear vision Rx glasses. And you are correct, it takes body parts to pay for them. Figure MY eyes are worth it. Just remember their weak link, which are the hinges that are NOT as strong or flexible as the double-back spring hinges that come on even inexpensive frames. *GO FIGURE* 3) SCOTT OVER-GLASSES GOGGLES: My eyes are supersensitive; they do NOT close fast enuf and junque gets in before I can blink. So? So, BEFORE I found the perfect solution (for me), I wore my "regular Flexon glasses" with Scott's over-the-glasses goggles ($25-30). But the head band is wide (uncomfortable) and gave me a headache if I didn't wear it on the outside of my helmet. And sometimes/rarely (when I'd cleaned and polished my helmet) it would slip off inflight. *INCONVENIENT* SIDE NOTE: Scott sells at least TWO SIZES of goggles; only ONE fits OVER glasses/frames. The other brands of over-the-glasses goggles I tried were too small to be comfortable. 4) OLD STYLE BOLLE' = BEST OF ALL WORLDS...For Me: My favorites NOW are Bolle' (that's an accent mark, not an apostrophe!) "OLD STYLE WHITE FRAME" Aquashield II goggles . They have have a small faceprint, flat swivel temple hinges, and an adjustable narrow, light weight, flat, quick release latch headband. The best part is the Rx insert and interchangeable shields for day (sun) and night (moon). It's easy and fast to change outter shield while goggles still on my face. Ordering (and paying for) up-to-date prescription lenses is almost painless. NUTS-O ALLERGY: I had an allergic reation to the black rubber seal next to my face. Most people don't have this problem. I (finally) solved it with the same fix I used on the black wire from my earphones ... I cut off the tape ends of CURAD strip bandages and covered the black schtuff. Works great...for me. I do have to change the tape occasionally. COMFORT TIME and COST: I've worn mine on many 12-15 hour riding days. They keep my eyes from getting dry or red. My eyes are not strained at the end of the day which keeps my energy level up and fatigue to a minimum. Again, the monetary price is high as they seem to be available only at optometrists. As I recall, the goggles plus Rx insert piece plus one sun shield and one clear shield came to about $150-$175 BEFORE prescription lens cost added on. For me, the price could be a lot higher without them! I don't mount my Ghost without them....ever!!! FOGGING: I drilled a small (every so tiny) hole in the lower corners of the dark shield for venting but not in the clear shield. I had no fogging problem ... UNTIL confronted by the heat and humidity of the deep south. Guess that's how the GREAT SMOKIE MTNS. got their name, huh?! *GRIN* UNIQUE FEATURE: At Halloween I remove the shield, pin on a bushy tail and go trick or treating as Rocky, the flying squirrel. [Hopefully someone will remember Rocky & Bullwinkle. (...she said with hands folded.)] BOLLE WARNING: Bolle has come out with a NEW YELLOW framed goggle called ALL SPORT which is similar, but the hinges, band etc. are slightly different and are NOT as practical nor comfortable for motorcycling (IMHO). The new ones use the same sun/clear shields as OLD WHITE FRAMED AQUASHIELD II's. Accept no substitute! Ann '89 PC Goggle-Eyed Ghoster Sun. 8.9.98 9:15 MST (**) Sequel coming to a monitor near you: "Weak Knee'd" and "Weak Kidknee'd" bikers ride again.... _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 12:56:24 -0400 From: "Gordon B. Frank" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Numb right hand Hi Steve, Funny you mentioned the left side rest, I've ordered the Targa Lock, which I'll fasten to the left grip and see how that works as another palm/wrist rest. Let you know how it works when I've installed it. --- Steve Wilson wrote: > > Gordon, > Glad to see a familiar face. How about installing another rest on the > left side? > > -- > Steve Wilson Ruston LA. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: abowen@home.com by ha1.rdc1.pa.home.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP To: Subject: PC800: '89 PC for sale at dealer Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 16:14:41 -0400 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.8 Unregistered I just went to get my '97 inspected when I saw an '89 white for sale at Mt. Holly Powersports in Mt. Holly, NJ. They were asking $3500 and it had the tall windshield and the passenger backrest. Just letting y'all know. I've had good experience with that dealership and you also have additional financing options. Alan '97 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DK84FKEF; Sun, 09 Aug 1998 16:42:40 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Akoell@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: REC SPECS From: annreid@juno.com (ann s reid) Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 16:42:40 EDT Al, Are these the clear plastic framed specs with largish rectangular air cutouts at the temples? Or do these keep ALL the air/debris out? My biker-budd had some with the temple-airflow as described above and in heavy winds and crosswinds he lost his advantage. Ann '89 PC Eye of the Ghost Sun. 8.9.98 10:20 MST _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by enterprise.powerup.com.au with SMTP; 10 Aug 1998 01:07:43 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Ronald Grant" Subject: PC800: Price please the REAL price!! Date: Sun, 09 Aug 98 09:15:31 PDT I wonder why you guys always say the price of PC as PLUS tax and this and that? Cant those things add a LOT to the total? Here everyone talks O.T.R. cost of a motorcycle.....On The Road.....i.e. TOTAL....how much did you SPEND? Ron Grant ....in Brisbane, Australia!! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 18:16:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Miller Subject: PC800: Calm Down! (was: Price please the REAL price!!) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Ron: I think I spent $7,200 for the bike, a Rifle windshield upgrade, a HJC full-face helmet, and a cover for my bike, including tax, title, tag, and all. Prolly the reason everybody talks price before taxes is that taxes are not the same everywhere you go. I happen to live in Florida, USA. But I bet your taxes are a little different in "down under" land. By the way, how's Winter? It is the best weather of the year where I live, especially for riding my PC800! By the way, the term I like to use is OTD (out the door) price. Tony Miller '97 w/3,000 miles ---Ronald Grant wrote: > > I wonder why you guys always say the price of PC as PLUS tax and this and > that? Cant those things add a LOT to the total? Here everyone talks O.T.R. > cost of a motorcycle.....On The Road.....i.e. TOTAL....how much did you > SPEND? > > Ron Grant ....in Brisbane, Australia!! > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > == My homepage URL is http://members.tripod.com/~tlmiller/ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sun, 09 Aug 1998 21:40:42 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael D. Linkous" To: , "Ronald Grant" Subject: Re: PC800: Price please the REAL price!! Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:42:16 -0400 Taxes..... That is exactly why I worded my posted the way I did. It varies a lot from state to state. Here in WV it is 5%. I am sure a lot of states are lower and there are several higher. Taxes, DMV cahrges, cannot be avoided..... but you can always make sure you are getting a fair price on the bike (&accessories) just my 2 cents..... -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ronald Grant To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sunday, August 09, 1998 9:08 PM Subject: PC800: Price please the REAL price!! >I wonder why you guys always say the price of PC as PLUS tax and this and >that? Cant those things add a LOT to the total? Here everyone talks O.T.R. >cost of a motorcycle.....On The Road.....i.e. TOTAL....how much did you >SPEND? > >Ron Grant ....in Brisbane, Australia!! >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m28.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DK9P688N; Sun, 09 Aug 1998 22:27:39 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:27:27 -0400 Subject: PC800: TGPCPCY2K Ride From: swift24@juno.com (John D Louk) Patience, grasshopper. Indeed it shall come to pass. The offline interest in The Great Pacific Coast Pacific Coast Year 2000 Tupperware Party Ride is greater than the subscription interest to date. Many have written me via snail mail expressing their interest based solely upon the "coming events" section of Motorcycle Consumer News magazine. That micro-advertisement will no longer appear (3 month run). I am pleased to inform you that based upon the interest to date as well as some splendid offers of assistance from California folks via snail mail, this eve