********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:32:29 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Betty Lise Anderson Subject: PC800: What model year(s) should Ilook for to get the candy red PC? Hi, I just demo-rode a PC at the Honda Hoot and fell in love with it. I plan to get a used one, and my first choice would be the older candy red compared to the newer orangy-red. What model years was the PC made in the candy red, does anyone know? Also, I'm in central Ohio, so if you know of one for sale... :-) Betty Lise Anderson Dept. Of Electrical Engineering The Ohio State University 205 Dreese Lab 2015 Neil Avenue Columbus OH check out the cool zip code 43210 http://eewww.eng.ohio-state.edu/~anderson/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 08:58:48 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 08:58:35 -0400 From: "J. MARK VENABLE" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: What model year(s) should Ilook for to get the candy red PC? Betty Lise Anderson wrote: >Hi, >I just demo-rode a PC at the Honda Hoot and fell in love with it. I plan to >get a used one, and my first choice would be the older candy red compared >to the newer orangy-red. What model years was the PC made in the candy red, >does anyone know? Such good taste, Betty. 1990 candy apple red is widely accepted as the most attractive PC color (flame on, I asked for it!) the older red was only made in 1990. Glad you liked the PC. Mark Venable 1990 PC 800 "This End Up" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:51:50 -0400 To: "J. MARK VENABLE" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Re: What model year(s) should Ilook for to get the candy red PC? At 8:58 AM -0400 7/1/98, J. MARK VENABLE wrote: >Such good taste, Betty. 1990 candy apple red is widely accepted as the most >attractive PC color >(flame on, I asked for it!) > > On behalf of all '94 and '95 owners, I say "whooosh"...the sound of you being flamed collectively by all of us who are comfortable in the knowledge that we have the best PC color there is!!!! Well....now that I have openned up that can of worms, my work here is done....... bye for now.... fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@kpt1.tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:22:24 -0400 (EDT) From: James R Randall To: Scot Piper cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: short shield pics I've been running a Rifle for about 20K miles - no cracks. The key is to not overtighten the screws. I agree, however that the aesthetics could be improved. On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Scot Piper wrote: > If anyone would like to see a pic of the short shield (I cut 2.5" off a > '90 stock shield) e-mail me privately and I'll send it to you. Or, if > someone has space on their web site, I can send the pics to be posted. > The short shield measures 19" from the top of the vent to the top of the > shield. > > I changed the shield in 12 min 30 sec tonight. Is that a record? > Would've been faster, but an air wrench jammed and I ran over an air > hose (30 second penalty) when pulling out of the pits... > > BTW, I saw a Rifle shield last weekend and I really like it (20" which > is the +2" model). It appears slightly wider than stock. However, the > fasteners for the shield to the base looked like a poor design. Too > small of fasteners and no "clamp bar" like the stock shield. This one > was new and already had a crack. I've heard others discuss this > situation. Perhaps we could collectively "design" the perfect shield > and send our idea to Rifle. Or, atleast give them some ideas for > improving their existing product. > > > Scot > '89 PC800 > For Sale - $3500 > ---------------- > --------- > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:30:35 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: PC800: Battery Drain Hello everyone. I just wanted to send out a warning to all the PC owners who have the Hondaline Trunk lights installed, to warn them about a potential drain on the battery. I have gone out to the garage twice in the last 3 weeks and found my battery dead. On both occasions I had no idea why the battery was dead, and after running the bike the battery would recharge, and be fine again the next day. I started to realize that if I didn't drive it for a few days then it would be dead, so I did a bit of troubleshooting to determine the cause of the battery drain. As has been discussed on this list before, you can adjust the small rubber 'stoppers' under the passenger seat where they rest on the frame, so that the trunk 'pops' open when the cable release is pulled. I recently adjusted mine. As a result, the trunk will now be 'closed' at a higher location than it was before. However, now that the trunk is not as low at the back as it used to be, the Hondaline plunger, which is used to actuate the trunk lights, may no longer be pushed in far enough to shut them off. I have also discovered that the small rubber pad, provided by Honda as a contact point for the plunger, is missing on my PC800. I have added another pad, and now the lights will go off when the trunk is closed. Bye for now everyone. I hope this info is helpful to the folks who have the Hondaline trunk lights installed. Ride safe... fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Spain, Harrison" To: "'Tom Cartmel'" , dickie@bealenet.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: motorcyclist shooting Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:24:04 -0700 This is such a sad story. I too pray for his family and hope they put these animals away for a long time. On a safety issue, and NOT to say this cyclist did ANYTHING wrong... Please under no circumstances, do anything that would irritate someone on the road. 1) It is better to pull over than allow a car to tailgate you. I've seen some unbelievable suggestions for tailgating activity. Don't ride with anger! 2) Pull back allowing cars to merge (yes, I know you can zoom ahead of them). Act like a traffic cop waving them in front of you. If you zoom ahead, they will get angry and who knows what they might do? 3) Let car after car pull in front of you as you pull back to make yet room for another. This gets tiring after a while. You make plenty of safety room and another joker slams into the slot. LET THEM! Yes, they are idiots. Yes, you had the "right of way". Yes, you are encouraging this behavior the next time; and yes, you will live to ride another day.... Harrison > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Cartmel [SMTP:Cartmel@cris.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 7:20 PM > To: dickie@bealenet.com > Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: motorcyclist shooting > > Link to news story: > > http://www.gatewayva.com/rtd/dailynews/virginia/motor30.htm > > > I don't like to report things like this but while talking of unsafe > > acts on the highway this seems to fit. A fellow motorcyclist left > work > > at 4 AM (a factory just blocks away from where I work) and was > heading > > home when a car load of teenagers pulled up and shot him while he > was > > riding. He got the motorcycle stopped and died at the scene. I pray > for > > his family. This was just last friday I believe. I ride a part of > that > > road every day I go to work and it scares the dickens out of me. > They > > have most of the young men in custody. Be carefull and God Bless. > Dick > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:47:29 -0700 To: "Spain, Harrison" From: Erin Keyvan Subject: RE: PC800: motorcyclist shooting Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Well said Harrison! In the Silicon Valley/Bay Area where we suffer all too often from the "10 lbs of crap in a 5 lb bag" syndrome on the roads, safety should always be first and foremost in your thoughts instead of revenge. I mean, why should you give a completely anonymous individual the power to ruin your day...or life? Isn't that power actually controlled by you? If someone wants to play organ donor at the local morgue, better them than you. Just be extra careful out there everyone. Oh, and Happy Independence Day to all the American listers out there. Have a spectacular weekend! Erin in Mountain View, CA P.S. Okay, Happy Canada Day Francois! =%^) >This is such a sad story. I too pray for his family and hope they put >these >animals away for a long time. > >On a safety issue, and NOT to say this cyclist did ANYTHING wrong... > >Please under no circumstances, do anything that would irritate someone >on the >road. > >1) It is better to pull over than allow a car to tailgate you. I've >seen some unbelievable >suggestions for tailgating activity. Don't ride with anger! > >2) Pull back allowing cars to merge (yes, I know you can zoom ahead of >them). Act >like a traffic cop waving them in front of you. If you zoom ahead, they >will get angry >and who knows what they might do? > >3) Let car after car pull in front of you as you pull back to make yet >room for another. >This gets tiring after a while. You make plenty of safety room and >another joker slams >into the slot. LET THEM! > >Yes, they are idiots. Yes, you had the "right of way". Yes, you are >encouraging this >behavior the next time; and yes, you will live to ride another day.... > >Harrison %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Erin Keyvan Human Resources Assistant School of Engineering Stanford University Terman 251 Stanford, CA 94305-4027 Phone: (650) 725-8245 Fax: (650) 725-7426 e-mail: pastry@stanford.edu -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Doylefish@aol.com Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:57:36 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: What model year(s) should Ilook for to get the candy red PC? Betty, The 89 was white, the 90 was candy red, the 94 and 95 were black and the 96,97 and 98 were the current red. This lowers your choices to the 90 model only. Hope this helps. Doyle C. Frazier Lebanon, Oregon 95 PC-Dark Vadar -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 14:04:30 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 14:04:16 -0400 From: "J. MARK VENABLE" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: motorcyclist shooting Erin wrote: >Well said Harrison! I second that. I used to work with a fellow with more miles behind him than anyone else I knew at the time. He told me he stayed alive "by predicting how the other drivers were going to try to kill him and then plan accordingly." On the other hand my brother-in-law (much younger and much less wise) was hit by a truck he was passing on the right. The truck signaled left and turned right. My brother-in-law couldn't understand that he was at least partially at fault because he put himself in harm's way. Motorcycling is nothing if it isn't defensive driving. Mark Venable '90 PC800 "This End Up" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 14:23:35 -0400 From: Richard Stafford To: "Spain, Harrison" CC: "'Tom Cartmel'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: motorcyclist shooting Spain, Harrison wrote: > > This is such a sad story. I too pray for his family and hope they put > these > animals away for a long time. > > On a safety issue, and NOT to say this cyclist did ANYTHING wrong... > > Please under no circumstances, do anything that would irritate someone > on the > road. > > 1) It is better to pull over than allow a car to tailgate you. I've > seen some unbelievable > suggestions for tailgating activity. Don't ride with anger! > > 2) Pull back allowing cars to merge (yes, I know you can zoom ahead of > them). Act > like a traffic cop waving them in front of you. If you zoom ahead, they > will get angry > and who knows what they might do? > > 3) Let car after car pull in front of you as you pull back to make yet > room for another. > This gets tiring after a while. You make plenty of safety room and > another joker slams > into the slot. LET THEM! > > Yes, they are idiots. Yes, you had the "right of way". Yes, you are > encouraging this > behavior the next time; and yes, you will live to ride another day.... > > Harrison > Well said and good advice. Dick -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 11:49:54 -0700 From: Johan Lai To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: motorcyclist shooting One thing that we do when we ride as a group is to get the plate number of the potential problem cager and report over the radio. That way at least the other riders have some information should the unthinkable happens. Even if you're riding alone or w/o radios, it's a good habit to develop reading plates. It's not easy even when there's no stress so practice makes perfect :) Just my $0.02 Cheers, Johan Lai Orange, CA '89 "Cassandra" Erin Keyvan wrote: > > Well said Harrison! In the Silicon Valley/Bay Area where we suffer all too > often from the "10 lbs of crap in a 5 lb bag" syndrome on the roads, safety > should always be first and foremost in your thoughts instead of revenge. I > mean, why should you give a completely anonymous individual the power to > ruin your day...or life? Isn't that power actually controlled by you? If > someone wants to play organ donor at the local morgue, better them than > you. > Just be extra careful out there everyone. > > Oh, and Happy Independence Day to all the American listers out there. Have > a spectacular weekend! > > Erin in Mountain View, CA > > P.S. Okay, Happy Canada Day Francois! =%^) > > >This is such a sad story. I too pray for his family and hope they put > >these > >animals away for a long time. > > > >On a safety issue, and NOT to say this cyclist did ANYTHING wrong... > > > >Please under no circumstances, do anything that would irritate someone > >on the > >road. > > > >1) It is better to pull over than allow a car to tailgate you. I've > >seen some unbelievable > >suggestions for tailgating activity. Don't ride with anger! > > > >2) Pull back allowing cars to merge (yes, I know you can zoom ahead of > >them). Act > >like a traffic cop waving them in front of you. If you zoom ahead, they > >will get angry > >and who knows what they might do? > > > >3) Let car after car pull in front of you as you pull back to make yet > >room for another. > >This gets tiring after a while. You make plenty of safety room and > >another joker slams > >into the slot. LET THEM! > > > >Yes, they are idiots. Yes, you had the "right of way". Yes, you are > >encouraging this > >behavior the next time; and yes, you will live to ride another day.... > > > >Harrison > > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > > Erin Keyvan > Human Resources Assistant > School of Engineering > Stanford University > Terman 251 > Stanford, CA 94305-4027 > > Phone: (650) 725-8245 > Fax: (650) 725-7426 > e-mail: pastry@stanford.edu > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PLeray@aol.com Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:24:22 EDT To: spain@ugsolutions.com, Cartmel@cris.com, dickie@bealenet.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: motorcyclist shooting Harrison, A well-put statement. The object-of-the-exercise out there is staying alive. I'm old enough to have learned that the small and alert mammal-types were the ones that got away from the dinosaurs and became....... Keep the rubber side down, Patrick in La. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ernie.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA32448 for ; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 12:29:27 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: motorcyclist shooting Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:30:43 -0700 This is good advice, but not germane to this particular case. I think this was just violence for the thrill of it. I once knew a guy who had done similar things to pedestrians. His weapon was a golf club. He would hang out of the back side window with the golf club "cocked" back behind the rear window. As the car passed a pedestrian he would swing the club. He described the results for me once and it was sickening. (The motivation in those cases was racial.) The violence has always been with us, the difference is that it gets more press these days due to the use of firearms. Very little press was given recently to the 12 year old who beat his 6 year old brother to death with a baseball bat (because the 6 year old went outside to play and irritated the 12 year old). He hid the body of his little brother in the freezer, and then went and hid in the woods. I found this to be a shocking and disturbing crime pointing to some very real problems in our society. The kid used the wrong weapon if he wanted to make the news. There is a book called "On Killing" by a Lt. Col. Dave Grossman http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0316330116/002-4938505-2814825 that details the problems training men to kill in warfare. [The methods used to psychologically deaden the soldiers opposition to killing is today emulated by our movies and video games. It kind of makes me nervous about the future....] The really tragic part is that these guys will get a plea bargained sentence, and then will get two days off for every day of good behavior in prison. They could be out again quite soon. The average convicted rapist (who typically gets caught after 13 rapes) generally only serves between 2 and 3 years of jail time. They are usually sentenced (on average) to only seven. Good advice Harrison, but sometimes you just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. And in a society such as ours, that can be fatal. Todd Vierheller '96 R1100RTL, "Rain Dancer" Stay Alert! And not just for cars..... Call a cop, call an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See which one gets there first. > -----Original Message----- > From: Spain, Harrison [SMTP:spain@ugsolutions.com] > This is such a sad story. I too pray for his family and hope they put > these > animals away for a long time. > > On a safety issue, and NOT to say this cyclist did ANYTHING wrong... > > Please under no circumstances, do anything that would irritate someone > on the road. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:45:00 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: short shield pics I have been running a Rifle 40K, and no cracks. I don't know what improved the PC more, the Rifle or the Corbin. But, if you are going to do any long distance work both are a necessity. One other touring requirement, unless you a master with rubber bands, is either a Throttle Meister or a Vista Cruise. Bernie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 19:53:33 -0500 To: Francois Saint Laurent From: Tom Ambrosio Subject: Re: PC800: Battery Drain Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Francois, >As has been discussed on this list before, you can adjust the small rubber >'stoppers' under the passenger seat where they rest on the frame, so that >the trunk 'pops' open when the cable release is pulled. I recently >adjusted mine. As a result, the trunk will now be 'closed' at a higher >location than it was before. Do you mean to say that your trunk will now pop open when the latch is pulled, even with your GiVi box on it's rack? If so, that's a lot of energy being released. Tom Ambrosio Evansville, IN '95 PC800 http://www.evansville.net/~tambrosi -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Doug cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Wing Ding of "Tue, 30 Jun 1998 23:27:36 CDT." <3.0.5.32.19980630232736.0079bc70@mail.vci.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 20:03:42 -0500 Doug writes: > Is anyone going to the Huntsville Wing Ding,,, I will be arriving Thursday > and would like to meet anyone else attending..Let me know. I'll be there. I live there. Streets are full of GoldWings tongight. Even the densest caged Huntsville driver would know something is up. So, where do ya wanna meet? They gonna let us bastard children ride in da parade? I expect to be at the trade show tomorrow morning sometime near the time it opens, 9AM. Saw (3) red PC's at lunch. I was caged. :-( Met one lady riding a red '97 who had just been to the Honda Hoot. With the tallest Clearview sheild, Corbin seat, radio, Arai helmet, and the silver throttle lock thingy. Didn't catch her name, she had to catch up with the 2 GoldWings she was riding with. Rode PC into town tonight. Was the only PC I saw. :-( -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: PC800: Re: modulator Date: Wed, 1 Jul 98 21:16:19 -0500 From: "Paul B. Atkins" To: , "pc 800 list" >Subject: modulator >Sent: 07/01/1998 8:12 AM >From: ricarol@bayou.com >To: Patkins > > >Paul: > > May I suggest that you make your sentences shorter. >I could not get the full name of your vendor for the modulator. >I did get "Kis Technologies. > >Was this Kriss Technologies, if so do you have an 800 number >for them. Regardless who your vendor is do you have an 800 >number? I would appreciate the information. > >Thank you.... > >Rick Meek Sorry about the sentences, Kris...I only type what my word processor allows, and it automatically word wraps...as for the modulator, the info for Kriss is as follows.... 520-629-8800 www.kriss.com kriss@kriss.com Another modulator mentioned on the list is Kisan....I belive, no info on that one! Hope that helps... Paul Paul B. Atkins 1996 Pacific Coast patkins@mari.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Cory" To: Subject: PC800: Seat & windshield Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:54:57 -0400 What the heck, I've been lurking long enough....might as well open myself up to possible flames..... Bernie wrote: "I don't know what improved the PC more, the Rifle or the Corbin. But, if you are going to do any long distance work both are a necessity. " Sorry, but I couldn't disagree more......at least on the seat part. I've owned a few bikes and put many miles on numerous more and I find that the stock PC seat is the best there is available in motorcycledom (or is that motorcycle hood?), bar none. Of course, I'd be willing to admit that everybody's tush has its own personal preferences, but I don't think it can be disputed that the stock PC seat is good, very good. After spending three weeks and 10,000 miles firmly planted in the seat of my '89 PC, I'd consider myself an expert on PC seating arrangements. Juan and I had some little problems on the "Great Fairbanks To West "By God" Virginia And Back PC Excursion Of '96", but I know I can honestly say (Juan can jump in here and speak for himself) that through the entire trip the comfort of the seat was no problem! As far as windshields go, I've ridden behind every size Rifle, the stock '89 windshield, the stock '89 w/ SAENG edging & winglets, the stock '90 windshield, and a Hondaline tall windshield. The best for me is the Hondaline tall w/ 2" cut off the top. All in all, what I'm getting at is that without spending much money the PS is almost perfect just the way it is..... I'd rather put my bucks into the K&N filter, Progressive Suspension fork springs, and Metzler tires. What the heck, my $0.02 worth! Flame away, boys and girls!! Cory -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 06:16:05 -0400 From: "Dana L. Sawyer" Subject: PC800: Kisan Technologies address To: HondaPacificCoastOwners , HSTA Postings to List Someone inquiried about the address for Kisan Technologies. Here it is...= Kisan Technologies, Inc. They make a Pathblazer Headlight Modulator (I have one; plugs into the headlamp; easy to install) and a Tailblazer (sto= p lamp modulator) which modulates the existing brake lights. Kisan Technologies, Inc., 150 S. Wolfe Rd, Sunnyvale CA 94086; 408/746-0500; e-mail: Fulke@kisantech.com. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Kisan Technologies address Date: Thu, 2 Jul 98 06:16:47 -0500 From: "Paul B. Atkins" To: , "pc 800 list" >They make a Pathblazer Headlight Modulator (I >have one; plugs into the headlamp; easy to install) and a Tailblazer (stop >lamp modulator) which modulates the existing brake lights. >Kisan Technologies, Inc., 150 S. Wolfe Rd, Sunnyvale CA 94086; >408/746-0500; e-mail: Fulke@kisantech.com. Dana... does the pc take the one or two channel type? I read the web page and wasn't exactly sure what that meant? Paul -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 07:40:27 -0500 To: PC800 Listers From: Lee Morris Subject: PC800: 1999 GL2500 Cc: Honda Sport Touring Association Hi All: Think everyone should check out Niehaus Cycle Sales webpage to see the new GoldWing for 1999: http://www.inb.net/niehaus.cycle/ Have a grin :-) and bear it! (bare it?) whatever you want to do! Regards, Lee @ Lake of the Ozarks '97 PC800 AMA HRCA HSTA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:25:00 -0400 From: "Dana L. Sawyer" Subject: PC800: Motorcyclist shooting To: HondaPacificCoastOwners , HSTA Postings to List Some thoughts that come to my feeble mind concerning the above subject: Life today ain't easy; for lots of us, it's kinda stressful! While some o= f us may be floating along in a fairly stable state of mind, others ain't a= s fortunate! They are dancing on the edge, and it doesn't take much to push= them over! We hear of "road rage," and this shooting may have been a case= of this ailment. Whether I am driving the Saturn or riding my Pacific Coast, I try to be non-aggressive out there. If someone wants to cut in front of me, that's fine! If someone is entering the highway from a ramp,= I let them in. It's easier for me to watch other drivers when they are in front of me than behind me. I'd rather just drift along and not be notice= d by others...an extension of my philosophy of making myself very visible a= nd then riding as if I am invisible. Back when I was in the Air Force...many= moons ago...I recall using the same "invisible" philosophy. I didn't want= the drill sergeant to remember me, my name or anything about me...especially when it was time to assign KP or guard duty! If I pass a car just before an exit, I wait until I pass that exit before signalling and returning to the right lane. I don't want that driver to think that I= am going to exit to the right immediately after passing him! I do run a headlight modulator during daylight hours, but cut it off when I pull up behind someone (except Roger Prince, because I do everything possible to aggravate him!) Bottom line is...when I am doing battle out there on the highways and byways, I realize that in an encounter with a car, pickup truck, van, RV = or eighteen-wheeler, I am going to come out second best! That also goes for deer, moose, elephants and rhinoceros! Dana Sawyer P.S. Roger Prince won't let me ride behind him! I wonder why? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 03:50:00 -0700 From: Phil Lewis To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: motorcyclist shooting --------------783276E47FA971DEB5A6A931 Tom Cartmel wrote: > Link to news story: > http://www.gatewayva.com/rtd/dailynews/virginia/motor30.htm > I don't know what I can add to what already has been said. It seems like something is really wrong with TODAY!! I've been riding my Voyager back and forth to work at LAX, about 60 miles each way, in uniform. I hope you-all don't read about me someday because somebody doesn't like airline pilots!! Take care, Phil --------------783276E47FA971DEB5A6A931  

Tom Cartmel wrote:

Link to news story:
http://www.gatewayva.com/rtd/dailynews/virginia/motor30.htm
 
I don't know what I can add to what already has been said.  It seems like something is really wrong with TODAY!!

I've been riding my Voyager back and forth to work at LAX, about 60 miles each way, in uniform.   I hope you-all don't read about me someday because somebody doesn't like airline pilots!!

Take care,

Phil --------------783276E47FA971DEB5A6A931-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 15:01:12 -0400 To: From: "Cheryl L. Johnson" Subject: Re: PC800: The need for sleep At 04:39 AM 6/26/98 -0400, Dana L. Sawyer wrote: >Over-the-road truck drivers are required by law to stop and sleep after a >certain number of hours driving. I believe that a record of this >information is supposed to be kept. Not being a truck driver, I don't know >the requirements. But...doesn't it make sense? I don't think that any of us >would want a truck driver dozing at the wheel and crashing because he >decided not to stop at the required time, but to drive on to save time and >make more miles (and perhaps more money.) And yet this does happen...Look >at the tire marks on concrete medians made where truck drivers have run off >the road and into the medians... Truckdriver responds: Interstate truckdrivers are required to keep a logbook recording all hours spent driving, on duty(not driving), off duty, and sleeper berth. They are allowed 70 hours in 8 days, or 60 hours in 7 days. That's all hours driving AND on duty. There is obviously a lot of prevarication going on in drivers log books (commonly referred to as "comic books". I have done it myself. There is a push on now to change the system which has been in use since the '30's. There are many problems in this industry and I don't want to get off topic, but the point is the truckdriver in the truck you're getting ready to pass may not be that alert. Of course that applies to every vehicle on the road. BTW I know exactly how it feels to fall asleep at the wheel. To me it's just like turning a switch. Happened once,(very briefly with no catastrophe, Thank God.) I vowed NEVER to get that tired again without pulling over. Bill Johnson 89 PC800 17899 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ernie.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA05512; Thu, 02 Jul 1998 13:17:33 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: pilewis1@concentric.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: motorcyclist shooting Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:18:48 -0700 Phil: If I were you, I would not worry about people who do not like airline pilots. I would worry about stupid ignorant gang-bangers who don't like cops and don't know the difference! They could have a great time running you into a bridge with their car! Ouch. I would advise wearing an Aerostich Roadcrafter suit. You should be able to afford one on an airline pilot's salary. ;-) Not only will = it protect you from the aforementioned mistaken identity, but it will = offer some protection if you get off of the motorcycle without stopping = first. ;-) (BTDT) Todd Vierheller '96 BMW R1100RTL, "Rain Dancer" Call a cop, call an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See which one = gets there first. > -----Original Message----- > From: Phil Lewis [SMTP:pilewis1@concentric.net] >=20 > Tom Cartmel wrote:=20 >=20 > Link to news story:=20 > =20 > =A0 > I don't know what I can add to what already has been said.=A0 It = seems > like something is really wrong with TODAY!!=20 >=20 > I've been riding my Voyager back and forth to work at LAX, about 60 > miles each way, in uniform.=A0=A0 I hope you-all don't read about me > someday because somebody doesn't like airline pilots!!=20 >=20 > Take care,=20 > Phil -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 20:30:59 From: DOUG HOLSTEIN To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Full-Coverage Snap-On Face Shield? Hi, all, My name is Doug Holstein. I've been lurking on your list for about three weeks. I am sort of researching touring bikes. I was attracted to the looks of the PC and then found your list. Between the list and the archives I have learned a lot about the PC, and I would love to own one some day (soon, I hope). In the meantime, I ride an '82 Honda CM250C Custom which I purchased last December. (The reason I'm researching touring bikes is that my wife recently expressed an interest in riding with me. Yeah, now she tells me!) Anyway, I have a more immediate need. I wear an open-face helmet, and the standard face shield I use does not cover my mouth and chin. This was OK in the winter, but now there are these big flying bugs to contend with. I'd rather not have to buy a full-face helmet (due to the cost, and their reputation for fogging up in cold weather, and the fact that I wear glasses and use a strap to keep them on). However, I'm having no success in identifying a snap-on face shield of any kind that would cover my whole face. I've talked to local dealers, checked catalogs and web sites - so far, no luck. Do any of y'all use or know of such a face shield? I can't imagine that I'm the only rider who would want this! Thanks in advance for any help you can give me. Doug Holstein Chapel Hill, NC ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DG697T3R; Thu, 02 Jul 1998 16:57:44 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: anderson@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 06:41:43 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: What model year(s) should Ilook for to get the candy red PC? From: miketwh@juno.com (Mike T Whited) Hi Betty, welcome. I understand that Hind's on rt 23 has a used one on their show room. I don't know the year/color. Keep in mind the $2000 discounts that Honda has put on their NEW PC's, so a used PC for $6000 isn't much of a deal. You might call Mid Ohio in MT Vernon they have a big selection of used bikes. BTW I live on E.N Broadway a couple of miles north of campus so were neighbors. Feel free to call me if you have any questions about the PC, I'm in the book. Mike Whited ' 94 PC On Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:32:29 -0400 Betty Lise Anderson writes: > >Hi, > >I just demo-rode a PC at the Honda Hoot and fell in love with it. I >plan to >get a used one, and my first choice would be the older candy red >compared >to the newer orangy-red. What model years was the PC made in the candy >red, >does anyone know? > >Also, I'm in central Ohio, so if you know of one for sale... :-) > >Betty Lise Anderson >Dept. Of Electrical Engineering >The Ohio State University >205 Dreese Lab 2015 Neil Avenue Columbus OH check out the cool zip >code 43210 >http://eewww.eng.ohio-state.edu/~anderson/ > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DG7AUQZJ; Thu, 02 Jul 1998 17:09:09 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:07:32 -0400 Subject: PC800: Value From: miketwh@juno.com (Mike T Whited) What would be a fair price for a 1990 PC800 with 3,000 miles on it. I haven't seen it but a guy approached me today and said he had one he wanted to sell. He said it had "all" the options, mentioned the tall windshield and a backrest. but said it didn't have speakers.(where the ALL come from) He also said it fell over in the drive and needs the left mirror replaced and that he hasn't rode it for two years. I'm guessing it needs a new battery. I asked him what he wanted for it and he said "I don't Know". Any Ideas? What did it go for new? What's the book price? I'm guessing this may be one that Betty Lise Anderson would be interested in. Mike Whited '94 PC _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 19:03:48 +0000 From: Bill Snead To: DOUG HOLSTEIN CC: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: Full-Coverage Snap-On Face Shield? DOUG HOLSTEIN wrote: > = > Anyway, I have a more immediate need. I wear an open-face helmet, and = the standard face shield I use does not cover my mouth and chin. This wa= s OK in the winter, but now there are these big flying bugs to contend wi= th. > = > I'd rather not have to buy a full-face helmet (due to the cost, and the= ir reputation for fogging up in cold weather, and the fact that I wear gl= asses and use a strap to keep them on). However, I'm having no success i= n identifying a snap-on face shield of any kind that would cover my whole= face. I've talked to local dealers, checked catalogs and web sites - so= far, no luck. Do any of y'all use or know of such a face shield? I can= 't imagine that I'm the only rider who would want this! Hello fellow NC'r ! Well, right off, I'm a BIG evangelist for full face helmets. I wear glass= es, ride year 'round down to 19=BA or ice, ride a PC, GB500, ZR550, CB750 60= mi round to work. and have always wore a full-face (shoei RF-200 /RF-700) So= that's my #1 recommendation, of course. However, you should be able to find an open face helmet with a more protective face shield. You do not mention the helmet manufacturer. This = may make a difference. I've seen some Nolan's and Bell's that barely cover yo= ur eyes. But a lot of Goldwingers wear open face shoei's, Arai's for mike's = and their sheilds seem to provide good protection. Have you checked the helmet selection at Honda of Raleigh? or Barnett's Suzuki on Lake wheeler Rd? They have a fair selection. Triangle's, and Kawasaki of Durham (Byrd's) aren't that well stocked. Ray Price (harley) = on south saunders may have a better selection of open face or shortie shield= s. -- = Peace and All Good, Bill -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 19:07:40 +0000 From: Bill Snead To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: Seat & windshield Cory wrote: > Bernie wrote: > > "I don't know what improved the PC more, the Rifle or the Corbin. But, if > you are going to do any long distance work both are a necessity. " > > Sorry, but I couldn't disagree more......at least on the seat part. > > I've owned a few bikes and put many miles on numerous more and I find that > the stock PC seat is the best there is available in motorcycledom (or is > that motorcycle hood?), For those of you who have owned several years of PC's ('89 and another) Is there any discernable difference, beyond manufacturing differences, between seat comfort / stiffness among the different model years? -- Peace and All Good, Bill -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Doylefish@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:28:40 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Value Hi Mike, Maybe we ought to get a list going to see what those of us that bought used paid. We have had quite a few quotes for the new ones. I bought a 1995 Pacific Coast this year in February with 9600 miles on in great condition for $4500. The only option it come with was a bike cover. next! Doyle C. Frazier Lebanon, Oregon 95 PC-Dark Vadar -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Cory" To: "Bill Snead" , Subject: Re: PC800: Seat & windshield Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:30:42 -0400 Bill wrote: > For those of you who have owned several years of PC's ('89 and another) Is >there any discernable difference, beyond manufacturing differences, between >seat comfort / stiffness among the different model years? Other than the looks, I can tell no difference between the seat that was on my '98 and the '97 seat that's on my '90........ Cory -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: motorcyclist shooting Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:32:03 +0200 > Phil: > > If I were you, I would not worry about people who do not like airline > pilots. I would worry about stupid ignorant gang-bangers who don't > like cops and don't know the difference! There are people who dislike airline pilots ? Did I miss something here ? Does owning a PC800 help ? Am I going to be in trouble ? Help ! Emile Nossin '90 PC800 " The Flying Dutchman " Santpoort, Holland Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: 1999 GL2500 Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:28:55 +0200 > http://www.inb.net/niehaus.cycle/ > > Have a grin :-) and bear it! (bare it?) whatever you want to do! > beer it? Emile Nossin '90 PC800 " The Flying Dutchman " Santpoort, Holland Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: DOUG HOLSTEIN cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Full-Coverage Snap-On Face Shield? of "Thu, 02 Jul 1998 20:30:59." <19980702203059.2273.qmail@www06.netaddress.usa.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 19:13:25 -0500 DOUG HOLSTEIN writes: > Anyway, I have a more immediate need. I wear an open-face helmet, and > the standard face shield I use does not cover my mouth and chin. This > was OK in the winter, but now there are these big flying bugs to > contend with. I suspect your open face helmet doesn't really fit right. Visit a dealer and try on new helmets and see for your self. The generic $5 snap-on face shields should cover your entire face. > I'd rather not have to buy a full-face helmet (due to the cost, and > their reputation for fogging up in cold weather, and the fact that I > wear glasses and use a strap to keep them on). You put a full face helmet on first, then you put your glasses on. No chance of losing them. As for fogging of the face shield? Nope, not a problem. Mostly hype. Been wearing full face helmets year 'round for 24 years. Fog Fear helps sell the $300 helmets. Then again, I'm about to purchase a $320 Arai Signet/e... Iff you buy a "cheap" full face helmet that fogs, use a 1/16" drill bit to put a hole in the shield where it fogs. They never start fogging in your primary field of vision. The little hole doesn't let in so much air that it bothers you, even in sub-freezing temperatures. I know, I delivered newspapers off a Kawasaki 100 for many years, rain, shine, snow. Others report great success with the Fog City face shield liner. About $10. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (IPAD 2.05) id 4018200 ; Thu, 02 Jul 1998 23:09:04 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 23:08:34 -0400 From: Scot Piper To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: how low can you go? Well I just couldn't stop myself. I cut my stock '90 shield down 2.5" and it was better, looked great, but my helmet was still in the buffeting zone. With nothing to lose, I decided to cut it down further to get into the free air. JT Smith from TN cut his down 5" and sounded like a good plan. Another 2.5" off tonight. It's 16" from the top of the vent to the top of the shield. It definitely looks short, but it works great! I can even hear the stereo at 75 mph with my face shield closed. I love it. Next trick, purchase some window tint from the hardware store and make a dark shield. Will be difficult to cover in one piece. Scot '89 PC800 16,950 miles ------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:12:13 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Seat & windshield Hi, Cory: I agree with you completely regarding the seat on the PC. It's perfectly comfortable to me; always has been. My windshield choices after trying seveal combinations are the Hondaline tall with Stealth Edging in the winter (the rifle works about the same and it's cheaper, but I don't care for the way it looks) and a stock '89 shield cut down 5 inches in the summer. J.T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:18:08 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Kisan Technologies address Hi, Paul: The Kisan P75W is the unit you need for a PC with stock lamp. If you have installed a high-wattage lamp, you'll need the P115W. J.T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Henryb1064@aol.com Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:04:28 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Moto Humor... TOP TEN REASONS HARLEY RIDERS MAY NOT WAVE BACK 10...Afraid it will invalidate warranty 9...Leather and studs make it too hard to raise arm 8...Refuses to wave to anyone whose bike is already paid for 7...Afraid to let go of handlebars because they might vibrate off 6...Rushing wind would blow scabs off the new tattoos 5...Angry because just took out second mortgage to pay luxury tax on new Harley 4...Just discovered the fine print in owner's manual and realized H-D is partially owned by those rice burner manufacturers 3...Can't tell if other riders are waving or just reaching to cover their ears like everyone else 2...Remembers the last time a Harley rider waved back, he impaled his hand on spiked helmet and the Number One reason Harley riders don't wave back: 1...They're jealous that after spending $30,000, they still don't own a Gold Wing ----------------------------------------------------------------------- TOP TEN REASONS GOLD WING RIDERS MAY NOT WAVE BACK 10...Wasn't sure whether other rider was waving or making an obscene gesture 9...Afraid might get frostbite if hand is removed from heated grip 8...Has arthritis and the past 400 miles have made it difficult to raise arm 7...Reflection from etched windshield momentarily blinded him 6...The expresso machine just finished 5...Was actually asleep when other rider waved 4...Was in a three-way conference call with stock broker and accessories dealer 3...Couldn't find the "auto wave back" button on dashboard 2...Was simultaneously adjusting the air suspension, seat height, programmable CD player, seat temp. and satellite navigation system and the Number One reason Gold Wing riders don't wave back: 1...They couldn't see through the glare from the chromed dash accents -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:30:33 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve & Diane Scudder " To: "PC800 Listserve" Subject: PC800: Rifle shield observations-long Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:28:56 -0400 Hello fellow Listers, I finally gave in to the urge and purchased a Rifle shield for the PC. Here are some observations: 1) Rifle seems like a very good company to deal with. They took the time to discuss my needs based on riding style, height, use of full-face helmet, wearing of glasses, etc... I purchased a 20" shield and the standard base no color-matching ). It arrived on-time as promised. Score=8 2) While assembling the base/shield combo, I had difficulty lining up the center screws ( 2 of 6-no trekkie jokes please ;-} ) holding the shield to the base. I hand tightened all 6 screws as instructed and installed the unit in place of the original shield. Very easy to do, about 20 minutes total! I then went out for a short ride on the super-slab to check the results of this change-WOW, what a difference! At 80 mph I can hear the carbs breathing through the new K&N filter, the front tire singing it's songs on varying pavement surfaces and the patented Honda drivetrain noises emanating from the shaft drive. Score=10 3) When I came back from my test ride, I sadly noted that the shield had cracked through the hole of the 3rd screw from right ( riders perspective ), from the bottom of the shield to approximately 1" above the hole! I had installed the shield exactly as instructed, I suspect the alignment problem as the cause. Score=2 4) I called Rifle immediately, expecting the worst ( I am a bit pessimistic ) and told them of my problem. I spoke with Gary who was very courteous and apologized for my inconvenience. He is shipping a new 20" shield at no charge and will send a call tag for the defective one. He stated that using the current shield until the new one arrives should pose no problem, just keep an eye on the screws and make sure they stay "hand snug". Score=10 5) My take on the looks of this combo is that while very different from stock, this looks very nice on my '97 PC. If I had opted for a color-matched base, I believe it would make the front of the PC look "frumpy". The black base complements the unpainted black plastic on the lower portion of the PC. I can see where this might look out of place on a '94-'95 and probably the other years as well due to the finished nature of the lower panels. I think it looks just fine, and in my case, form-follows-function has it's own sense of beauty as the results are truly quiet and comfortable for a long ride. Scot Piper met me and another PC owner for a ride last weekend. Scot has a very nice '89, my new riding pal Dave Rutgers has a new '96. It was all smiles for me for the 300 miles I racked up that day! Very hot out, mid-90's and humid. Oh what a pleasure not to have to resort to ear plugs! Score=9 I will follow up with this after the replacement shield arrives... Scot Piper noted that he believes Rifle could do a better job of attaching the shield to the base. Scot is a mechanical engineer and you may have noted that he posted his opinion earlier this week on the list. He suggested to me that a modification plan could be proposed to Rifle. Are there any other Rifle owners out there that may be interested in Scot's ideas?? On another subject, I found through a group of riders that I meet with every Sunday that there is an easy & inexpensive "fix" to the pencil-thin PC hand grips. A set of Grab On replacement foam sleeves trimmed about 1/4" in length fit perfectly over the stock grips! Much more comfortable IMHO. About 8 bucks at your local dealer. These are designed to fit Grab On Deluxe Road, EMGO or Drag Specialties touring grips. No glue necessary! Use petroleum jelly (very little) or dish-soap to help slide them over the ends and they will set-up in a short period of time. If you decide you don't like them, just remove them and no harm done. I used petroleum jelly, then as an afterthought wondered what this might do to the stock grips. I removed the sleeves and inspected them after a week-all OK. Just for good measure I cleaned both surfaces and used the dish soap method as this may provide less chance of a reaction. Any chemists out there? Will petroleum jelly eventually degrade the grip material? Ride safe, Steve Scudder greyhound@bizgroup.net How could you not LOVE a Greyhound?! 97 PC800 3480(S)miles, 425 quiet ones! Grand Rapids, MI -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:36:25 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve & Diane Scudder " To: "PC800 Listserve" Subject: PC800: Fw: The Pharmacist Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:34:36 -0400 This has absolutely nothing to do with PC's, but..... > A girl asks her boyfriend to come over Friday night and have dinner with > her parents. Since this is such a big event, the girl announces to her > boyfriend that after dinner, she would like to go out and make love for > the first time. Well, the boy is ecstatic, but he has never had sex > before, so he takes a trip to the pharmacist to get some condoms. The > pharmacist helps the boy for about an hour. He tells the boy everything > there is to know about condoms and sex. At the register, the pharmacist > asks the boy how many condoms he'd like to buy a 3-pack, 10-pack or family > pack. The boy insists on the family pack because he thinks he will be > rather busy, it being his first time and all. That night, the boy shows > up at the girls parents house and meets his girlfriend at the door. "Oh > I'm so excited for you to meet my parents, come on in!" The boy goes > inside and is taken to the dinner table where the girl's parents are > seated. The boy quickly offers to say grace and bows his head. A minute > passes, and the boy is still deep in prayer, with his head down. 10 > minutes pass, and still no movement from the boy. Finally, after 20 > minutes with his head down, the girlfriend finally leans over and whispers > to the boyfriend, "I had no idea you were this religious." The boy turns, > and whispers back, "I had no idea your father was a pharmacist". > Sorry, couldn't resist sharing this! Steve Scudder greyhound@bizgroup.net How could you not LOVE a Greyhound?! 97 PC800 Grand Rapids, MI -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: PC800: trunk pop up? Date: Fri, 3 Jul 98 10:29:23 -0500 From: "Paul B. Atkins" To: "pc 800 list" you know, for the life of me...I can't figure out what stops control the trunk..and the adjustment thereof will allow the trunk to pop open when the latch is moved.... Any specific location for those like me?....the stopped in the space time continuum oriented impaired Paul B. Atkins 1996 Pacific Coast patkins@mari.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: PC800: modulator features Date: Fri, 3 Jul 98 10:44:03 -0500 From: "Paul B. Atkins" To: , "pc 800 list" >Subject: Re: PC800: Kisan Technologies address >Sent: 07/02/1998 10:21 PM >From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com >To: Patkins > > >Hi, Paul: > >The Kisan P75W is the unit you need for a PC with stock lamp. If you have >installed a high-wattage lamp, you'll need the P115W. > >J.T. >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. thanks JT....do you have this model? do you like it? I noticed from Dana's post that his is installed so that it is not on all the time and he turns it off when behind a car on an interstate, for instance. I was considering mine on all the time in the event I can't anticipate/don't see a hazard coming my way... The Kriss model has a feature where it flashes when the horn button is applied..not sure which way to go yet... Have a good fourth... Paul B. Atkins 1996 Pacific Coast patkins@mari.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Fri, 3 Jul 1998 11:40:14 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve & Diane Scudder " To: "Paul B. Atkins" , "pc 800 list" Subject: Re: PC800: trunk pop up? Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 11:38:38 -0400 Paul, Check for 2 rubber stops located on the upper trunk frame cross-brace, under the passenger seat. The gas-charged prop holding the trunk open bisects this brace when viewed from the rear of the PC, the stops are located on several inches from center. The stops are "threaded" and screw in or out like a bolt. Steve Scudder greyhound@bizgroup.net How could you not LOVE a Greyhound?! 97 PC800 Grand Rapids, MI -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Paul B. Atkins To: pc 800 list Date: Friday, July 03, 1998 11:28 AM Subject: PC800: trunk pop up? you know, for the life of me...I can't figure out what stops control the trunk..and the adjustment thereof will allow the trunk to pop open when the latch is moved.... Any specific location for those like me?....the stopped in the space time continuum oriented impaired Paul B. Atkins 1996 Pacific Coast patkins@mari.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 11:54:45 -0400 To: "Paul B. Atkins" , "pc 800 list" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: trunk pop up? At 10:29 AM -0500 7/3/98, Paul B. Atkins wrote: >you know, for the life of me...I can't figure out what stops control the >trunk..and the adjustment thereof will allow the trunk to pop open when >the latch is moved.... >Any specific location for those like me?....the stopped in the space time >continuum oriented impaired > >Paul B. Atkins >1996 Pacific Coast >patkins@mari.net > > Hi Paul. I may not have been clear about this in my post that referenced it. The trunk will not open up all the way like on a car, but it will 'pop', so that you can open it after the latch has been pulled, instead of lifting on it while you pull the latch. For example, if you are carrying something in one hand, you can use the free hand to open the trap door, pull the latch, then lift up the trunk. The stoppers that control this are actually prett easy to find. When the trunk is open, you will see, on either side of the channel where the trunk strut sits, a small round metal surface. This is where the stoppers rest when the trunk is closed, so look up at the inside of the trunk to see these. They can be unscrewed to stick out more. I hope this helps.... fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:52:38 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve & Diane Scudder " To: "pc 800 list" Subject: PC800: PC800 Turbo Kit! Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:51:02 -0400 Hi all, Just got back from the performance shop where I picked up my '97 PC800 with the new Turbocharger Kit installed. WOW, WOW, WOW!!! It's a whole new bike with this kit! For $3700.00 plus installation ($695.00) you get a new clutch pack, better front brakes, better suspension and the turbo w/intercooler integrated to the coolant system and all carb/compression modifications necessary. 0-to60 time estimated at 3.4secs., wheelies are no problem, the turbo whine and wastegate sounds are mucho-macho! Power comes on with a rush at 3700RPM and if it weren't for the optional rev-limiter, you'd be into red faster than you'd care to think about. I think I finally have a name for the PC, Scud-Missile. Get it? Scudder/Missile! Gotta go now, I'm searching for crotch rockets to dust!!! Steve Scudder greyhound@bizgroup.net How could you not LOVE a Greyhound?! 97 PC800 (Scud-Missile) Grand Rapids, MI Ha!ha!-this is entirely untrue, a ruse, a joke. Sorry, but I'm quite the wise-ass today! Happy 4th of July to all ( sorry British Listers ). Steve Scudder. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 12:28:28 -0500 From: Steve Delorey To: Doylefish@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Value Doylefish@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Mike, > Maybe we ought to get a list going to see what those of us that bought used > paid. We have had quite a few quotes for the new ones. I bought a 1995 Pacific > Coast this year in February with 9600 miles on in great condition for $4500. > The only option it come with was a bike cover. next! > Doyle C. Frazier > Lebanon, Oregon > 95 PC-Dark Vadar > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. I bought my '90 in '96 with 10,000 miles on it for $4,200.00 The guy I bought it from had just bought a used '96 for $5,500 and the new machines were listing for $7,600. With the recent $2,000.00 discount to dealers, the '98s seem to be going for about $6,600. If I was at all inclined to trade up (which I am not, although this would be a great time to do that), I'd ask $4,000 for mine, currently 25xxx miles, and probably settle for $3,800. Steve DeLorey -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Pacific Coast" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Value Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 10:47:12 PDT I bought my 1990 PC800 in June of 1997. Had 10,000 miles on it and came with; tall Rifle windshield, Hondaline backrest, Hondaline trunk bags, Eclipse seat bag, a cover and the Honda service manual. I think that was it. Paid $4,200. >From: Doylefish@aol.com > >Hi Mike, > Maybe we ought to get a list going to see what those of us that bought used >paid. We have had quite a few quotes for the new ones. I bought a 1995 Pacific >Coast this year in February with 9600 miles on in great condition for $4500. >The only option it come with was a bike cover. next! >Doyle C. Frazier >Lebanon, Oregon >95 PC-Dark Vadar >-- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Torill Janne Knutsen" To: Subject: PC800: Price I paid on our 2 1989`s: Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:40:39 +0200 I bought 2 1989`s last month, they are now enroute to Norway by ship. It will be a long wait. Est. arrival the 31.of July in Bremen, Germany where I will pickup and drive them home. 1. 1790 miles , as new, high Hondaline+ original, tank and rearseat bags,original dust cover. $ 4.000 2. 16,700 miles, Rifle+original,Givi topbox,winglets,Cruise Com CB and intercom (incl. mik and speakers,Corbin seat, 2 of each oil and air filters, and 1993 color-matched Bushtec Turbo trailer (carpeted interior with lights,lockable hitch) $ 5750 I bought these 1989 models because of the high import taxes in Norway. We do get a percentage reduction in tax for every year the bikes has been registred, so I only pay 50 % of a new one in tax. A new one ( Grey import)costs NOK 115.000 and 1 $ is today NOK 7.68 ( You have to figure that out Yourself) I think I have done a good deal and will be very satisfied with the bikes (one is for my girlfriend) I have been driving BMW`s the last years but after reading all the fine tests and owner reports in this group, I`ll took the chance though I have barely seen one PC 5-6 years ago. Wish me and my girlfriend all the best!!!!!! Regards Arvid and Torill Stavanger Norway E-mail: lovik@writeme.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 18:49:55 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve & Diane Scudder " To: "pc 800 list" Subject: PC800: The true meaning of almost empty. Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 18:47:59 -0400 Hi all, I believe I have found the elusive " so empty, you are about to walk " fuel level on the PC800. 264.8 Miles 4.18 Gallons of gas ( filled to the base of the filler neck, as it enters the tank ) = 63.35 Miles per gallon!!! Thank you K&N! Steve Scudder greyhound@bizgroup.net How could you not LOVE a Greyhound?! 97 PC800 Grand Rapids, MI -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by enterprise.powerup.com.au with SMTP; 3 Jul 1998 23:35:29 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "PC 800" From: "Ronald Grant" Subject: PC800: of the 200??? Date: Fri, 03 Jul 98 16:18:24 PDT Why do they say it this way?? Police also arrested Howard Newcomb, 19, of the 200 block of McArthur Avenue in Colonial Heights, and charged him with two counts of being an accessory to murder after the fact Are they hiding adress so vigilants dont go?? . Ron Grant in Brisbane , Australia!! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 21:05:38 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Comments & an Interesting Rumor. There are some interesting rumors coming out of Europe for those of us who are piling up miles on our Pacific Coasts. I have 41K on my 94 now, and I have wondered, if I had to trade, where would I go. I am just not a Gold Wing man. It is to big, to cumbersome and I don't enjoy riding it. I might consider a Voyager, but it looks old when it is new. I have thought of the Valkyrie, but the PC has spoiled me. I have gotten too comfortable sitting behind my Rifle, warn and dry, as the cold and wet world rushes pass. There are many days I could not of ridden if not for the protection offer by the PC. I have test rode both the ST1100 and the Concours. The ST1100 is smooth, fast and a hell of a long distance runner. But I have some problems with the 1100. Its riding position is a little too radical for me. Heli bars would help, but not solved the problem. To much pressure on my wrists, my back is arched more than I like and my feet are tucked to far behind me. I feel like I should be running in the Kentucky Derby. I actually feel more at ease on the Concours. Of all the bikes I have recently ridden, I prefer the Connie. The Connie is one of the few bikes that can be taken out of the box and driven comfortably to the furthest coast. It comes, OME, with a modified Corbin Saddle and a wind screen almost as good as a Rifle. The problem I have with the Connie is the same as with the Voyager. It just does not have Honda quality. I guess that brings up BMW. The BMW nearest to the Pacific Coast is the R1100RT. In fact my PC, by the unknowledgeable, has been confused a number of times with a R1100. I am not a fan of the air cooled boxer engine, and I think the transmission in the R1100 is an abortion. My biggest complaint against BMW is the cost of their machines, and the outrageous expense of service. There apparently is going to be a new bike on the block. Reports have been floating out of Europe of a shaft driven Triumph Trophy. I have only be on Triumphs for short distances (are they fast), I liked the riding position and they flick like an old Honda Hawk. The Trophy may be something we want to consider when the time comes. Bernie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. via SMTP by InterJet.systest.com, id smtpd009079; Sat Jul 4 01:14:56 1998 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Brian Hopkins To: "PC 800 List (E-mail)" Subject: PC800: What did I do? Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 19:02:08 -0700 Ok, I have no clue what I've done to piss off the LEO's but please make = it stop. I got a ticket 2 weeks ago. (that I probably deserved, do the crime, do = the time) No biggie, although its the first time I've ever been stopped = on a bike. (ever) So today, I figure I'll take a nice SLOW ride up to guenella pass (dirt) = and just putz around figuring there will be lots of cops. So I'm going = up 285/ Turkey Creek Canyon, following the same cars, passing nobody, = just staying the left lane. Go by Parmelee gulch and see a trooper on a = Harely go by the other way. No biggie right, I'm in the midst of = traffic. Haven't changed lanes in 10 miles, following the same cars. I = get to the construction zone at the top (and I'm doing dead on 40mph in = the construction zone (hey, I learned my lesson) and about halfway I = notice flashies in my mirrors. Sure enough same trooper (on the HD). = What?????? Pulll over, guy gets licenses and such and gives me a warning. (thank = god). I'm like what about the other traffic. Oh, I only saw you on my = radar. Um, it weighs 600 pounds half plastic and the POS truck on two = wheels in front of me you didn't get? WTF??? I am really pissed. I = have NEVER gone up that canyon that slowly!!! I was on the PC!!! What = is going on here? Help!!! I've never been pulled over on a bike and now I've been pulled = over twice in two weeks. I'm not going to be able to move if this = doesn't stop. Brian D. Hopkins Bhopkins@systest.com Denver, Colorado '96 VFR =20 '97 PC800=20 > There are two kinds of pedestrians... the quick and the dead. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: PC800: RE: Insurance and riding gear Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 21:01:48 -0400 Many insurance company's will cover "extra equipment" if you = specifically name it and place a value on it. Of course, they will = charge for this coverage. Also, think about this. If an airline lost = your luggage containing your riding gear, guess how much they'd pay for = - $200. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Mike and Rebecca Stenger [SMTP:mstenger@top.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 12:22 AM To: Honda Sport Touring Association Subject: Insurance and riding gear Has anyone had any experience trying to claim their riding gear (suit, pants, gloves, etc) with their insurance after a crash? A friend (no really, it's not me!) had a little mishap and State Farm paid for his helmet, but said the only covered $200 of "clothing and luggage". He had on $1300 worth of stuff including his helmet. I guess we should all by the cheapest stuff we can, since they won't pay for it (NOT!) -- Mike STenger HSTA #5811 STOC #372 SOHC4 #316 AMA HRCA Honda Sport Touring Assn. Nebraska/Dakotas Area Director Omaha, Nebraska mailto:mstenger@top.net '93 ST1100 '73 CB350F '72 CL350 http://www.ridehsta.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: FW: PC800: Comments & an Interesting Rumor. Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 21:42:50 -0400 Bernie wrote: >The Trophy may be something we want to consider when the time comes. Uh Bernie, have you forgotten that the Triumphs are built in the UK? = Yes, I know this is not the same Triumph as those from the 60's but I = just not convinced they match up to Japanese reilability (what else = does????). BTW, do you know the reason the Brits drink their beer at = room temperature? It's because their fridges are built by Lucas Electric = (a.k.a. "the prince of darkness") Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BobDuWah@aol.com Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:13:04 EDT To: Doylefish@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Value In a message dated 98-07-02 19:29:57 EDT, Doylefish@aol.com writes: << Maybe we ought to get a list going to see what those of us that bought used paid. We have had quite a few quotes for the new ones. I bought a 1995 Pacific Coast this year in February with 9600 miles on in great condition for $4500. >> Bought my 94 with 7k on it, no extras, for $3100 in May 98. Bob Ronecker St Louis, Mo -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 19:17:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Miller Subject: PC800: New to PC800 List To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hello everyone: Name: Tony Miller Location: Gainesville, FL Email: tonylmiller@yahoo.com PC Model year (if you have one): 1997 2,000 miles Bought Used/New: New Modifications made to bike: Clock on face of tach You can find out more at my home page. I'm new to the list, and looking forward to the discussions! Tony == My homepage URL is http://members.tripod.com/~tlmiller/ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PLeray@aol.com Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:34:53 EDT To: bhopkins@systest.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: What did I do? Brian, Go outside, into a secluded place. Take some bricks with you. Build a small altar. Go to the supermarket and buy a chicken (whole). Put the chicken on the tiny altar. Drain the oil from your pc. Soak the chicken with the oil. Ignite. Walk backwards around the flaming chicken, while saying "I didn't mean it, I didn't mean it" Oh, yeah, use your driver's license to fan the flames once or twice. I have it on good authority that that'll take care of the problem. And since it's July 4, nobody'll think its weird that you're doing this. In fact, you may find people will come over and offer to help. They want me to go back to the little room now. Patrick in La. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:44:18 -0400 From: "Dana L. Sawyer" Subject: PC800: Cost of Pacific Coasts To: HondaPacificCoastOwners , "Prince, Roger" FYI... The '90 Honda Pacific Coast that I recently sold with 75,000 trouble-free= miles on it was a gift to me from American Honda! Honda provided six 1990 Pacific Coasts to our Association for one year ba= ck in 1990, with all costs including insurance paid by Honda. We bought our own gas! Dealers were paid to take delivery and set these bikes up. I prepared monthly report forms that were completed and sent to me and I in= turn forwarded them to Honda. At the end of that year, the other five persons participating in this program were able to purchase their bikes f= or $2,500. Mine was given to me! Three of the five purchased their bikes. Th= e other two were purchased by dealers. Dana Sawyer Founder - HSTA P.S. My experience with the '90 was so good that I replaced it with a '97= Pacific Coast! There was no other bike out there that I could replace it with other than another one just like it! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:57:22 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:56:57 -0400 From: "Dana L. Sawyer" Subject: PC800: Not an HSTA member? Read on... To: HondaPacificCoastOwners I was just looking at the list of PC owners on this list, = and I see a lot of names that are not on my HSTA data base. As the founder, I know that I am biased, but I think that the = Honda Sport Touring Association is a fine organization = and I'd like to send any of you non-members some material... Not an HSTA member? Read on... I'd like to send you an information brochure/membership application for the Honda Sport Touring Association! Founded in 1982 and AMA-chartered, = We have more than 2,100 members within our ranks, including more than 100 happy Honda Pacific Coast owners nation-wide! For the past eight years I have accumulated 75,000 trouble-free miles on = a '90 = Honda Pacific Coast. I just replaced it with a '97 model, and expect the same = quantity and quality of miles. The Pacific Coast is a great bike...for sure! We have a membership number reserved just for you! = STAR '96, our 14th national rally, was held June 23-27, 1996 at = Davis, West Virginia. We had some 400 members = at that event; a record number for our Association! = STAR '97, our 15th national rally, was held June 22-25, 1997 at = Lake Eufaula, Oklahoma, with some 360 members in attendance.. = STAR '98, our 16th national rally, was held June 21 - 25, 1998 at Taos, N= ew Mexico, with 466 members in attendance...a record for our Association! Looking ahead to next year, STAR '99, our 17th national rally, will be held = June 20-24, 1998 at Marietta, Ohio. Make plans to join us there...I'll be= looking for you! In the meantime, we have local and regional events taking place year-roun= d = in all sections of the country. My wife Lynn and I have made some wonderf= ul lasting friendships with other club members, and I hope that you will joi= n the = HSTA and discover the same pleasant experience! SEND ME YOUR SNAIL-MAIL ADDRESS and I'll put your material in the mail promptly. = In closing, please consider joining the Honda Sport Touring Association. = We're going places...crank up your bike and ride along with us! *************************************************************************= ** ***************************** DANA L. SAWYER = Founder, Executive Committee Member and = South Carolina State Director = Honda Sport Touring Association = HSTA Member #0001SU = HRCA Member #700266 = AMA (Life) Member # 180901 = 71430.340@CompuServe.com = 1997 Honda Pacific Coast PC800 = "Life is short...I think I'll go riding!" = *************************************************************************= ** ***************************** "Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most! I'm out of my mind= , but I'll be right back! *************************************************************************= ** *****************************< -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 21:46:34 -0700 To: Erin Keyvan , "Spain, Harrison" From: Greg Chambers Subject: RE: PC800: motorcyclist shooting Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I once read a book about how to stop people from "pushing your buttons". The whole thing could be summed up by saying that other people don't push your buttons at all. It is our *reaction* to other's actions that gets us upset. Follow Harrison's excellent advice, and you will arrive home much calmer and more relaxed...and for me that's what it's all about. - Greg Chambers At 10:47 AM 7/1/98 -0700, Erin Keyvan wrote: >Well said Harrison! In the Silicon Valley/Bay Area where we suffer all too >often from the "10 lbs of crap in a 5 lb bag" syndrome on the roads, safety >should always be first and foremost in your thoughts instead of revenge. I >mean, why should you give a completely anonymous individual the power to >ruin your day...or life? Isn't that power actually controlled by you? If >someone wants to play organ donor at the local morgue, better them than >you. >Just be extra careful out there everyone. > >Oh, and Happy Independence Day to all the American listers out there. Have >a spectacular weekend! > >Erin in Mountain View, CA > >P.S. Okay, Happy Canada Day Francois! =%^) > > > >>This is such a sad story. I too pray for his family and hope they put >>these >>animals away for a long time. >> >>On a safety issue, and NOT to say this cyclist did ANYTHING wrong... >> >>Please under no circumstances, do anything that would irritate someone >>on the >>road. >> >>1) It is better to pull over than allow a car to tailgate you. I've >>seen some unbelievable >>suggestions for tailgating activity. Don't ride with anger! >> >>2) Pull back allowing cars to merge (yes, I know you can zoom ahead of >>them). Act >>like a traffic cop waving them in front of you. If you zoom ahead, they >>will get angry >>and who knows what they might do? >> >>3) Let car after car pull in front of you as you pull back to make yet >>room for another. >>This gets tiring after a while. You make plenty of safety room and >>another joker slams >>into the slot. LET THEM! >> >>Yes, they are idiots. Yes, you had the "right of way". Yes, you are >>encouraging this >>behavior the next time; and yes, you will live to ride another day.... >> >>Harrison > >%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > >Erin Keyvan >Human Resources Assistant >School of Engineering >Stanford University >Terman 251 >Stanford, CA 94305-4027 > >Phone: (650) 725-8245 >Fax: (650) 725-7426 >e-mail: pastry@stanford.edu > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 21:52:46 -0700 To: "Cory" , From: Greg Chambers Subject: Re: PC800: Seat & windshield Not to get overly scientific, but I'm not really happy with the stock seat and I think I've identified the problem. I think if I lose about 20 pounds, I won't be sitting on the metal pan any more. - Greg Chambers At 10:54 PM 7/1/98 -0400, Cory wrote: >What the heck, I've been lurking long enough....might as well open myself up >to possible flames..... > >Bernie wrote: > >"I don't know what improved the PC more, the Rifle or the Corbin. But, if >you are going to do any long distance work both are a necessity. " > >Sorry, but I couldn't disagree more......at least on the seat part. > >I've owned a few bikes and put many miles on numerous more and I find that >the stock PC seat is the best there is available in motorcycledom (or is >that motorcycle hood?), bar none. Of course, I'd be willing to admit that >everybody's tush has its own personal preferences, but I don't think it can >be disputed that the stock PC seat is good, very good. > > After spending three weeks and 10,000 miles firmly planted in the seat of >my '89 PC, I'd consider myself an expert on PC seating arrangements. Juan >and I had some little problems on the "Great Fairbanks To West "By God" >Virginia And Back PC Excursion Of '96", but I know I can honestly say (Juan >can jump in here and speak for himself) that through the entire trip the >comfort of the seat was no problem! > >As far as windshields go, I've ridden behind every size Rifle, the stock '89 >windshield, the stock '89 w/ SAENG edging & winglets, the stock '90 >windshield, and a Hondaline tall windshield. The best for me is the >Hondaline tall w/ 2" cut off the top. > >All in all, what I'm getting at is that without spending much money the PS >is almost perfect just the way it is..... I'd rather put my bucks into the >K&N filter, Progressive Suspension fork springs, and Metzler tires. > >What the heck, my $0.02 worth! > >Flame away, boys and girls!! > >Cory > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vartan Kazarov" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Dealer cost for '98 PC800 Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 00:11:13 PDT Hello, all This is my first message to this mailing list. I am thinking about buying new PC800. Can somebody tell me dealer cost for this bike. I know that MSRP for this bike is around $6700.00. I live in Pennsylvania. Thanks, Vartan Kazarov ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 00:27:24 -0700 From: Johan Lai To: "Dana L. Sawyer" CC: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: PC800: Re: HSTA spam Hi Dana, I can't speak for everyone else but I can speak with my own voice. The reason why I am not part of HSTA is because it encompasses a much larger audience than PC owners. I kinda enjoy our small, but growing PC community and our local club rides are just fine for my desires. I believe I've seen but one mailing from Honda Pacific Coast Netherlands (HPCN) requesting recruitment and that's it. This is sort of borderline spamming on this list if I may be so bold to say. Depending on what others think, my vote is that recruitment to HSTA should be limited to newcomers if possible and via private invitations. I've received several mailings from you (email and brochures), which I do appreciate but there's a reason why I haven't joined. No matter how much repitition of the spam, my reason will not change. I like the PC community, thank you. At least one of our SCPCRC members is part of HSTA and I do believe he enjoys the gatherings so I have nothing against HSTA at all. Just the spamming on a PC list. I would like to open it up to the list for voting whether this is acceptable or not. If the voting turns out in favor for your advertisements, then I sincerely apologize to you and to HSTA. Thanks. Cheers, Johan Lai Orange, CA '89 "Cassandra" Dana L. Sawyer wrote: > > I was just looking at the list of PC owners on this list, > and I see a lot of names that are not on my HSTA data base. > > As the founder, I know that I am biased, but I think that the > Honda Sport Touring Association is a fine organization > and I'd like to send any of you non-members some material... > > Not an HSTA member? Read on... > > I'd like to send you an information brochure/membership application for > the Honda Sport Touring Association! Founded in 1982 and AMA-chartered, > We have more than 2,100 members within our ranks, including more than > 100 happy Honda Pacific Coast owners nation-wide! > > For the past eight years I have accumulated 75,000 trouble-free miles on a > '90 > Honda Pacific Coast. I just replaced it with a '97 model, and expect the > same > quantity and quality of miles. The Pacific Coast is a great bike...for > sure! > > We have a membership number reserved just for you! > > STAR '96, our 14th national rally, was held June 23-27, 1996 at > Davis, West Virginia. We had some 400 members > at that event; a record number for our Association! > > STAR '97, our 15th national rally, was held June 22-25, 1997 at > Lake Eufaula, Oklahoma, with some 360 members in attendance.. > > STAR '98, our 16th national rally, was held June 21 - 25, 1998 at Taos, New > > Mexico, with 466 members in attendance...a record for our Association! > > Looking ahead to next year, STAR '99, our 17th national rally, will be > held > June 20-24, 1998 at Marietta, Ohio. Make plans to join us there...I'll be > looking for you! > > In the meantime, we have local and regional events taking place year-round > in all sections of the country. My wife Lynn and I have made some wonderful > > lasting friendships with other club members, and I hope that you will join > the > HSTA and discover the same pleasant experience! > > SEND ME YOUR SNAIL-MAIL ADDRESS and I'll put your material in the mail > promptly. > > In closing, please consider joining the Honda Sport Touring Association. > We're going places...crank up your bike and ride along with us! > > *************************************************************************** > ***************************** > DANA L. SAWYER > Founder, Executive Committee Member and > South Carolina State Director > Honda Sport Touring Association > HSTA Member #0001SU > HRCA Member #700266 > AMA (Life) Member # 180901 > 71430.340@CompuServe.com > 1997 Honda Pacific Coast PC800 > "Life is short...I think I'll go riding!" > *************************************************************************** > ***************************** > "Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most! I'm out of my mind, > but I'll be right back! > *************************************************************************** > *****************************< > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 01:03:14 -0700 From: Phil Lewis To: Johan Lai CC: "Dana L. Sawyer" , HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: Re: PC800: Re: HSTA spam Johan Lai wrote: This is sort of borderline spamming on this list if I may be so bold to say. ----------- Hi All! I'd like to add my vote to Johan's on this one. Although it's not a terrible spam, I also feel that it would more appropriate to e-mail the new members directly, as they join the PC list. I know I'm not officially a PC'er anymore, but I still enjoy the reading and participating with the group. After all, I did have the one of the most customized PCs for about 3 years!! :) Anyway, I just wanted to add my thoughts. I hope everybody will be having a happy holiday weekend. Phil Lewis So. Cal. (PC in Spirit) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Price I paid on our 2 1989`s: Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:21:11 +0200 > registred, so I only pay 50 % of a new one in tax. A new one ( Grey > import)costs NOK 115.000 and 1 $ is today NOK 7.68 ( You have to figure > that out Yourself) > That's $15K for a new PC ? And I thought motorcycles in Holland were expensive! I can't imagine what you must have paid for your previous BMW's. A new Goldwing would compute to $45K, right ? Well, at least you got a pretty nice landscape to ride through. Won't the small gastank bring you in trouble in those desolate area's of Norway ? Emile Nossin '90 PC800 " The Flying Dutchman " Santpoort, Holland Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 12:11:19 +0200 To: Johan Lai , "Dana L. Sawyer" From: HPCE Gerard Subject: Re: PC800: Re: HSTA spam Cc: HondaPacificCoastOwners Johan Lai wrote: >I can't speak for everyone else but I can speak with my own voice. >The reason why I am not part of HSTA is because it encompasses a >much larger audience than PC owners. I kinda enjoy our small, but >growing PC community and our local club rides are just fine for >my desires. I believe I've seen but one mailing from Honda Pacific >Coast Netherlands (HPCN) requesting recruitment and that's it. Your right Johan, I never try to recruit members for the HPCE (Honda Pacific Coast Europe, don't confuse with the HPCN ;-) When there are new members joining the list I always reply to them personally not through the list, not to recruit them as new members, but to point them to our website. When there are big updates, there will be one later this year, I will send a short message to the list, but never to recruite new members. Of course Dana is trying to recruit new members, that's his good right, but I too think it's better to do so on a personal basis. Just my thought on this, Gerard Gerard Diepeveen, Secretary for Honda Pacific Coast Europe Email: pce@dsv.nl Webpager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/2149445 Phone: +31-651220230 (mobile) -------------------------------------------------------------------- visit the Honda Pacific Coast Europe website: http://www.dsv.nl/~pce/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Torill Janne Knutsen" To: Subject: PC800: FYI. MC prices in Norway: Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 12:49:28 +0200 I have got some letters asking about the total cost I have paid for my PC`s and here are some retailer prices on other bikes (new 1998 models) in US.$: BMW R 1100 RT 25390 BMW K 1100 LT 27343 BMW K1200 RS 27851 Bimota 500 Vdue 29283 Ducati 916 Senna 31106 HD Softail Springer 33463 Honda VT 750 Shadow 16263 Honda Pan European 26028 Honda GL 1500 SE 32539 We pay tax on HP and engine volume and then on top 23% sales tax like this when importing: NOK 6200 standard tax on each bike + Volume tax: NOK 0,00 pr.ccm.of the first 125 cc+ NOK 21.30 pr. ccm of the next 775 cc+ NOK 46,70 pr. ccm of the rest + HP tax: NOK 0.00 of the first 11 Kw + NOK 276.00 for every Hp of the rest + Salestax: 23% on top of Import invoice price+ freight+ total taxes =Our Cost. These are deatils of 1997 taxes, they have risen 3,7% since then. Luckily there is a deduction system for secondhand bike import that starts with 6 month old bike get 12% discount on Hp ,cc and importtax and this goes up to a deduction of max 80% if the bike is 15 years or older. Earlier there where a taxation systen that worked only on Invioce price and made smaller bikes and really expencive bikes cost more than today. A BMW or a GW has fallen about $ 3000 on this new system. In one of the largest oil producion nations of the world it is a shame to drive Just for fun. Petrol cost here more than $1.23 a LITRE. I want to MOVE!!!!! No, I really don`t. If we dont agree the government it still the finest country in the world for motorcycle riding!!! Regards Arvid -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DHBDUDZR; Sat, 04 Jul 1998 07:18:21 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 07:16:42 -0400 From: miketwh@juno.com (Mike T Whited) Anybody know what a 1990 PC 800 cost new in 1990? Mike Whited _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 07:24:49 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 07:24:21 -0400 From: "Dana L. Sawyer" Subject: PC800: My HSTA spamming To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Johan Lai recently sent me the following message... Hi Dana, I can't speak for everyone else but I can speak with my own voice. The reason why I am not part of HSTA is because it encompasses a much larger audience than PC owners. I kinda enjoy our small, but growing PC community and our local club rides are just fine for my desires. I believe I've seen but one mailing from Honda Pacific Coast Netherlands (HPCN) requesting recruitment and that's it. This is sort of borderline spamming on this list if I may be so bold to say. Depending on what others think, my vote is that recruitment to HSTA should be limited to newcomers if possible and via private invitations. I've received several mailings from you (email and brochures), which I do appreciate but there's a reason why I haven't joined. No matter how much repetition of the spam, my reason will not change. I like the PC community, thank you. At least one of our SCPCRC members is part of HSTA and I do believe he enjoys the gatherings so I have nothing against HSTA at all. Just the spamming on a PC list. I would like to open it up to the list for voting whether this is acceptable or not. If the voting turns out in favor for your advertisements, then I sincerely apologize to you and to HSTA. Thanks. Cheers, Johan Lai Orange, CA '89 "Cassandra"< Johan has an excellent point! In my enthusiasm to spread the word about the Honda Sport Touring Association, I hadn't looked at my messages in that light! In the future I will respond privately to individual folks on the PC list= =2E Thanks for the excellent suggestion, Johan! My apologies to anyone on the PC list that I may have offended... Dana Sawyer Founder- HSTA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 07:52:59 -0400 (EDT) From: frankc@nap62.nap-wc.usace.army.mil To: "Dana L. Sawyer" cc: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: Re: PC800: My HSTA spamming No need to apoligize, Dana. You have a good group, its related to this list, and anyone who doesn't want to read it, can simply delete it. Your informative comments in the past more than compensates for an occasional invite to join the HSTA. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 08:31:47 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 08:31:26 -0400 From: "Dana L. Sawyer" Subject: PC800: PC prices, changes by year To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Occasionally PC listers have asked questions about retail prices and mode= l changes from year to year. I have compiled the following list ,which I share with you. Please help me to revise or udpate it as needed. Thanks! Dana Sawyer HONDA PC800 MODEL CHANGES BY YEAR '89 List Price: $7698 Color: Pearl White '90 List Price: $7698 Color: Red/Silver Changes: New taller and upright windshield Revamped bodywork fasteners (I was told by my dealer that the new ones were less likely to break, and the ones that are used most often (engine access panels) can be replaced if broken) Cold weather rideability enhancements to carbs More accurate fuel gauge '94 List Price: $6499 Color: Black/Silver Changes: No Radio option '95 List Price: $7499 - prince increased to $7699 at end of season No change from '94 '96 List Price: $8599 (discounted in spring '98 to $5999) Color: Red/Glossy Black Changes: None from '94/'95 '97 List Price: $8599 (discounted in spring '98 to $6,499) Color: Red/Dull Black Changes: Self-cancelling directional feature removed Chrome exhaust muffler cover on left side removed Bottom body panels dull black Air dam inside front of fairing removed Short front fender replaces skirted fender Front brake disc covers removed '98 List Price: $8699 (discounted in spring '98 to $6699) Color: Red/Dull Black Changes No change from '97 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 08:36:25 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: modulator features Hi, Paul: Yes, I bought and installed the P75W on my PC (and Diane's PC, my VFR, and my Hawk GT). They work as they should. They are on all the time when high beam is selected and it is daylight. If you want to turn it off in the day time, you have to switch to low beam. There is no OFF/ON switch other than the photo sensor. J.T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 08:36:36 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: PC800 Turbo Kit! Hi, Steve: Rats! I was going to be the first to install a turbocharger on a PC. Now you've gone and beat me to it. Oh well. Who makes the kit? Is there any exernal evidence that it has been installed? Does it use the stock muffler system? Details, Man; details! J.T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 08:49:46 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 08:49:09 -0400 From: "Dana L. Sawyer" Subject: PC800: Paific Coast...a thing of the past? To: HondaPacificCoastOwners The fact that even '98 PC800s are being discounted by American Honda make= s me think that we've seen the last of our favorite bike! However, we've be= en fortunate for it to have stayed in the lineup for more years than other models. And parts will continue to be available for a number of years. Which bring me to another point...we are on the verge of becoming a vintage/classic bike group of folks! We need to keep our interest and enthusiasm for our favorite bike high, for our numbers will eventually dwindle down to a precious few (to steal words from a song!) Just something to think about while we are watching fireworks this weekend... Dana P.S. The other side of the coin is that perhaps Honda is going to replace= it with something else that we will lust for. That's the way they have do= ne business over the years. You buy a bike today, think that it's the greate= st bike in the universe, and a few years later they have come out with a new= model that makes you begin to rationalize trading that baby in for a new one. I gave a lot of thought to purchasing an 800 Interceptor before deciding to buy another Pacific Coast. I have owned a bunch of Hondas (an= d other brands of motorcycles) over the years, and I'll bet that many of yo= u have also! Personally, I am not looking for a bike that is bigger (heavier), more powerful or more expensive than the Pacific Coast! Honda already has the ST1100, and I think that 1999 will see a new udpated and more expensive model of that bike! = -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 07:07:52 -0600 From: John Holley To: Vartan Kazarov , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Dealer cost for '98 PC800 Vartan, I don't know what dealer cost is on this bike at the moment, I suspect around $5850. We bought one two weeks ago from Freedom Honda in Laconia, NH for $6055, out the door. John Holley: -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GBalthaser@aol.com Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 09:30:23 EDT To: frankc@nap62.nap-wc.usace.army.mil, Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: My HSTA spamming Dana, With all of the informative information you send to this group it doesn't bother me a bit that you once in a while try to offer membership in your club. Keep sending those informative e-mails. Thanks Glenn -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 09:49:47 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve & Diane Scudder " To: "PC800 Listserve" Subject: PC800: Honda Homecoming Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 09:43:53 -0400 Hi all, Is anyone on the list planning to attend the Homecoming in Marysville, OH? I think the dates are 7/23 - 7/25. One of my riding buds w/a '96 PC wants to go for a day or two. Does anyone know the itinerary? Thanks, Steve Scudder greyhound@bizgroup.net How could you not LOVE a Greyhound?! 97 PC800 Grand Rapids, MI -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (SMTPD32-3.04) id A2E43190138; Sat, 04 Jul 1998 09:49:24 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 09:50:22 -0400 From: Ed Roberts To: frankc@nap62.nap-wc.usace.army.mil CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: My HSTA spamming frankc@nap62.nap-wc.usace.army.mil wrote: > > No need to apoligize, Dana. You have a good group, its related to this > list, and anyone who doesn't want to read it, can simply delete it. > Your informative comments in the past more than compensates for an > occasional invite to join the HSTA. > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. I agree Frank, the delete button is very easy to use. These organizations such as HSTA and a lot of others need all the help they can get if motorcycling is going to survive as we know it today. If only one more member is recruited this way then it is well worth it. JMHO Ed Roberts Hickory, Pa -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sat, 4 Jul 1998 10:01:59 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve & Diane Scudder " To: "Dana L. Sawyer" , "HondaPacificCoastOwners" Subject: Re: PC800: My HSTA spamming Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 09:59:45 -0400 Hi Dana, Hi all, Here's my $0.02 on the HSTA spamming issue: Doesn't bother me as it is only occasional. As long as it is a non-profit organization related to the lists subject matter, no harm done. I hate spam as much as anyone else; I've seen so much spamola that Dana's post hardly registers on my sensitive spam-meter. Taken as a whole, Dana's contributions to this list and gentlemanly behavior to wit is all the forgiveness he needs. Kept at a minimum, such posts relate to all a part of the larger picture of motorcycling enthusiasm we all share. Respectfully, Steve Scudder greyhound@bizgroup.net How could you not LOVE a Greyhound?! 97 PC800 Grand Rapids, MI P.s. If you hadn't noticed before, my signature line as well as my e-mail name reflect my other passion: Greyhound rescue and adoption ( non-profit, 501(C)(3) registered all-volunteer, etc. ). I don't consider this spam. Make a Fast Friend....Adopt a Greyhound! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'pc800 list'" Subject: PC800: GiVi rack Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 10:31:27 -0400 This is directed at those who have the latest version of the GiVi rack. The one that has bends in the arms and is raised above the body work. The old version had straight arms and they may contact the bodywork. The question: What is the distance (horizontally) from the end of the rear bolt end to the bodywork on each side and what is the distance between the rear ends of the arms, center-to-center. Thanks Roger -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PLeray@aol.com Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 10:46:26 EDT To: Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: My HSTA spamming Dana, As I wrote to you when you sent me the "personal" invite to join, no one can fault you for lack of enthusiasm!! Carry on. Patrick in La. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Karen and Tom" To: "Dana L. Sawyer" , "HondaPacificCoastOwners" Subject: Re: PC800: Paific Coast...a thing of the past? Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 10:52:31 -0400 HI all. Rode my 1979 SR500 today for the first time in 5 years.Seems to me that bike was discontinued in the US a while ago. You know what, still a fun bike to ride, just as my 1989 PC800(soon to be classic?) I also own and ride a TL250 trials bike (fun and no longer available), TY250 trials bike (same same),1993 XR250L(you got it , no longer available).Ride them and enjoy them. Don't sweat the small stuff. PS anyone want to join the Wayne County Motorcycle club?(uhh, is that a spam?) Dana, keep up the good work. Tom ---Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dana L. Sawyer To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Date: Saturday, July 04, 1998 8:51 AM Subject: PC800: Paific Coast...a thing of the past? >The fact that even '98 PC800s are being discounted by American Honda makes >me think that we've seen the last of our favorite bike! However, we've been >fortunate for it to have stayed in the lineup for more years than other >models. And parts will continue to be available for a number of years. > >Which bring me to another point...we are on the verge of becoming a >vintage/classic bike group of folks! We need to keep our interest and >enthusiasm for our favorite bike high, for our numbers will eventually >dwindle down to a precious few (to steal words from a song!) > >Just something to think about while we are watching fireworks this >weekend... > >Dana > >P.S. The other side of the coin is that perhaps Honda is going to replace >it with something else that we will lust for. That's the way they have done >business over the years. You buy a bike today, think that it's the greatest >bike in the universe, and a few years later they have come out with a new >model that makes you begin to rationalize trading that baby in for a new >one. I gave a lot of thought to purchasing an 800 Interceptor before >deciding to buy another Pacific Coast. I have owned a bunch of Hondas (and >other brands of motorcycles) over the years, and I'll bet that many of you >have also! Personally, I am not looking for a bike that is bigger >(heavier), more powerful or more expensive than the Pacific Coast! Honda >already has the ST1100, and I think that 1999 will see a new udpated and >more expensive model of that bike! >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 11:15:51 -0400 From: radrider To: Johan Lai CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: HSTA spam I agree with Johan. Stan 97 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 09:01:57 -0700 From: "Lee A. Morris" To: "Dana L. Sawyer" CC: Honda Pacific Coast Owners Subject: Re: PC800: Paific Coast...a thing of the past? Dana L. Sawyer wrote: > > The fact that even '98 PC800s are being discounted by American Honda makes > me think that we've seen the last of our favorite bike! ...etc... I agree, Dana, I think we've seen the last of the PC as a new model to be offered by Honda. But, IMHO, that makes my '97 worth more as each year passes because the PC will indeed become a classic. So, hurry up Honda, get it out of the lineup. Regards, Lee AMA HRCA HSTA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 08:30:06 -0700 From: Johan Lai To: frankc@nap62.nap-wc.usace.army.mil CC: "Dana L. Sawyer" , HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: Re: PC800: My HSTA spamming Hi Dana, I agree with Frank on this. Thanks for your gracious response! Cheers, Johan Lai Orange, CA '89 "Cassandra" frankc@nap62.nap-wc.usace.army.mil wrote: > > No need to apoligize, Dana. You have a good group, its related to this > list, and anyone who doesn't want to read it, can simply delete it. > Your informative comments in the past more than compensates for an > occasional invite to join the HSTA. > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Re: modulator features Date: Sat, 4 Jul 98 12:38:12 -0500 From: "Paul B. Atkins" To: , "pc 800 list" >Hi, Paul: > >Yes, I bought and installed the P75W on my PC (and Diane's PC, my VFR, and my >Hawk GT). They work as they should. They are on all the time when high beam >is selected and it is daylight. If you want to turn it off in the day time, >you have to switch to low beam. There is no OFF/ON switch other than the >photo sensor. > >J.T. thanks JT....sounds good to me....have you looked at the Kriss propaganda..they make your brand sound like a bulb burner....just curious.. Paul -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bob Broeking" To: "'pc800 list'" Subject: PC800: Measurements of PC Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 14:30:04 -0500 My move is complete to Springfield VA (except for boxes) and I am ready to get a PC. Looking at my large carport and the van that sits in it, I am trying to see how the PC will fit and will it work. Can anyone give the length and width measurements of their bike? My wife's Honda Elite Scooter fits fine, but know the PC is twice as big! Thanks in advance. Bob -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 15:37:01 -0700 From: hwong29 To: HPCE Gerard CC: Johan Lai , "Dana L. Sawyer" , HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: Re: PC800: Re: HSTA spam Let's all comply to the local community moral standard, not to commercialize the public air wave / bits / bytes, which belong to the public, the people, specific community, without their consent for gains of any kind which is not of public interest on this 4th of July, 1998. Gerard wrote: > > Johan Lai wrote: > > >I can't speak for everyone else but I can speak with my own voice. > >The reason why I am not part of HSTA is because it encompasses a > >much larger audience than PC owners. I kinda enjoy our small, but > >growing PC community and our local club rides are just fine for > >my desires. I believe I've seen but one mailing from Honda Pacific > >Coast Netherlands (HPCN) requesting recruitment and that's it. > > Your right Johan, I never try to recruit members for the HPCE (Honda > Pacific Coast Europe, don't confuse with the HPCN ;-) > When there are new members joining the list I always reply to them > personally not through the list, not to recruit them as new members, but to > point them to our website. When there are big updates, there will be one > later this year, I will send a short message to the list, but never to > recruite new members. > > Of course Dana is trying to recruit new members, that's his good right, but > I too think it's better to do so on a personal basis. > > Just my thought on this, > Gerard > Gerard Diepeveen, Secretary for > Honda Pacific Coast Europe > Email: pce@dsv.nl > Webpager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/2149445 > Phone: +31-651220230 (mobile) > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > visit the Honda Pacific Coast Europe website: > http://www.dsv.nl/~pce/ > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:46:02 +0200 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "MV Pacific Coast Netherlands" To: "PC800 e-mail group" Subject: PC800: Johan Lai's spamming complaint Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 21:11:02 +0200 Dear listers, I can't remember ever tried to recruite anyone through the list. So = Johan mentioning HPCN.... hmmmmmmm :-( Or inviting fellow lister to our site is recruitment...... Sorry, i had to send this. Have fun and save ridings wIth your bike. Silvonton Niessing MV Pacific Coast Netherlands http://www.sidaroma.com/pcn P.S. it's no problem faking an other identity with every mail-program as = you all know.

 
Have fun and save ridings wIth your = bike.
 
Silvonton Niessing
MV Pacific Coast Netherlands
http://www.sidaroma.com/pcn
 
P.S. it's no problem faking an other identity with = every=20 mail-program as you all know.
 
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:55:09 +0200 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bill Clinton" To: "PC800 e-mail group" Subject: Re: PC800: Johan Lai's spamming complaint Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:55:20 +0200 Dit is een meerdelig bericht in MIME-indeling. Well like I said. Happy Ridings -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: MV Pacific Coast Netherlands Aan: PC800 e-mail group Datum: zondag 5 juli 1998 0:51 Onderwerp: PC800: Johan Lai's spamming complaint =20 =20 Dear listers, =20 I can't remember ever tried to recruite anyone through the list. So = Johan mentioning HPCN.... hmmmmmmm :-( Or inviting fellow lister to our site is recruitment...... =20 Sorry, i had to send this. =20 Have fun and save ridings wIth your bike. =20 Silvonton Niessing MV Pacific Coast Netherlands http://www.sidaroma.com/pcn =20 P.S. it's no problem faking an other identity with every = mail-program as you all know. =20
 
Have fun and save ridings wIth your = bike.
 
Silvonton Niessing
MV Pacific Coast Netherlands
http://www.sidaroma.com/pcn
 
P.S. it's no problem faking an other identity = with every=20 mail-program as you all know.
 
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 20:08:22 -0400 From: radrider To: "Dana L. Sawyer" CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "INTERNET:radrider@gis.net" Subject: Re: PC800: Re: HSTA spam Dana, Excuse me for having an opinion. Just when I thought I had over reacted, your response convinces me I haven't. I hope your obvious intolerance to an opposing view is not characteristic of the organization you founded. Stan 97 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 21:06:31 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: HSTA Recruitment We must be desperate for something to write about. The members of this list have used 10 times the amount of band width than Dana used in his original announcement. Dana and I have had our disagreements, he thinks I write dirty trip reports (Across the River and Into the Trees - I stole the title). He may of been right. The report I wrote on Panama may of been a little risque. (Many of the list members who received it directly can comment.) I am a member of HSTA. It is the only organization to which I belong. I hate organizations, but HSTA is an organization for people who hate organizations. Dana was not adversiting a product, or trying to make a profit. I think we are way over reacting. Bernie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Henryb1064@aol.com Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:19:25 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: It had to happen sometime... All: I am sad to report that my bike got laid down today, causing damage to the left front fairing protector and the left rear truck protector pieces. I was dumb enough to let a friend try out my 94 PC and he laid it down. He didn't even get 15 feet out before popping the clutch and losing control. Thankfully, he suffered no injury! I am very pleasantly surprised that the protectors were the only things damaged, with the way it skidded down the road on the left side. I couldn't bear to watch my beautiful machine go down. :( Now for the most important question I have had for this alias to date. Does anyone know if and where I can get replacements for my 1994 Silver PC? Left Fairing Protector Left Trunk Protector Sadly, mine were badly damaged, protecting the rest of my bike. I have to say, this bike is one of the most well thought out designs I have ever seen. You would not believe if you had seen it go down that only these two pieces were damaged. I thought it was ruined. I wait anxiously for any information regarding replacement of these two items. thank you, --henry brown -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 22:19:13 -0400 From: Richard Stafford To: Bob Broeking CC: "'pc800 list'" Subject: Re: PC800: Measurements of PC Bob Broeking wrote: > > get a PC. Looking at my large carport and the van that sits in it, I am > trying to see how the PC will fit and will it work. Can anyone give the > length and width measurements of their bike? Hey Bob, ya got a van under the carport!!! That's the problem, park that baby out on the street where it "belongs", that'll take care of the space problem. :) I did a quick hold the tape up measurement and appears to be 8' long by about 3'1" wide at the mirrors which seems to be the widest point. Hope this helps. Dick, Aylett, Va. Come see me some time. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "Steve & Diane Scudder " cc: "pc 800 list" From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: The true meaning of almost empty. of "Fri, 03 Jul 1998 18:47:59 EDT." <002601bda6d4$ad78e1e0$f61e62ce@greyhounds-> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 22:20:44 -0500 "Steve & Diane Scudder " writes: > Hi all, > > I believe I have found the elusive " so empty, you are about to walk " fuel > level on the PC800. > 264.8 Miles > 4.18 Gallons of gas ( filled to the base of the filler neck, as it enters > the tank ) = > 63.35 Miles per gallon!!! Thank you K&N! Is this the PC you turbocharged? :-) -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: PC800: ramblings about my first year with the PC Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:00:54 -0400 One year and 19K miles later I definitely have some opinions about the = PC. Rather than bore the entire list with my ramblings, those interested = can click to here: http://home.naxs.com/jrandall/Year1/year1.htm Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 21:09:35 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Greg Chambers Subject: PC800: Gold Wing Mailing List Excerpt Thought you might get a kick out of something I just saw on the Gold Wing mailing list... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:38:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Rothenbush Subject: [Wings] Fork Braces I've recently added a set of Progressives to my 83 GL1100. I added no air, as per Progressive's recommendations. I carefully measured out the exact amount of 15 weight fork oil, after draining the old oil as thoroughly as possible. At the end of it all, I noticed VERY little difference in ride or handling ! ( I guess that the stock Honda springs are not so bad after all. ) While ride comfort is not all that important to me, handling is. I notice a distinct "wallow" or "wobble" when cornering at high speeds .. over 70 MPH or so. Even a high-speed pass on a straight two-lane highway is more exciting than it needs to be. The Progressives MAY have lessened this behaviour, but if som not by much. ( This behaviour SEVERELY limited my enjoyment of Montana's highways this year. Even though they are smooth, with gently banked turns, I couldn't run at more than 80 MPH or so without the adrenaline starting to pump. To add insult to injury, my wife's PC800 was ROCK SOLID over 90 MPH. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PLeray@aol.com Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:57:53 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: The true meaning of almost empty. Does anyone else get the feeling that Steve doesn't REALLY have enough to do lately??? That some of his bolts need to be torqued back down a bit more snugly??? :-) :-) :-) Patrick in La. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PLeray@aol.com Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 01:36:53 EDT To: torilljk@online.no, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: FYI. MC prices in Norway: Hey, Group, Here on the 4th of July, I think we all ought to pause for a second and think about what Arvid in Norway just wrote concerning prices and taxes. 23% sales tax!! And a tax on engine size!! And a tax on horsepower!! On top of an import tax!! And then gasoline is $4.50 a gallon!! Our society over here has a bunch of problems lately, but compared to that!!!! Patrick in La. '97 Thumper Rabbit -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PLeray@aol.com Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 01:44:50 EDT To: BernieK469@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: HSTA Recruitment Bernie, I agree. Dana's apologized. Which of us hasn't gotten over-enthusiastic at times? And from reading other newsgroups/bulletin boards, if that is the closest we, on this group, get to spam-like-food-products, we're in good shape. Matter of fact, I've been meaning to write to our majordomo/moderator and say thanks, for doing such a good job. The dog is sleeping, let it lie. Patrick in La. '97 Thumper Rabbit -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 02:03:31 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: RE: Norway Yes, we have problems. Arvid lives in a socialist country. A country where the government cares for its citizens from the cradle to the grave. I don't want to give up my freedom for a government dole, although I am not to sure that any government that redistributes 50% of its citizens income isn't socialist. The only difference between the present US government and a communist or socialist regime is that here the government has left the means of production in private hands, sort of. The way it is going, we are going to be required to file travel plans with the government if we are going to ride our PCs out of state. You know, to protect us from the dope dealers transporting narcotics. Bernie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 23:22:38 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Greg Chambers Subject: Re: PC800: FYI. MC prices in Norway: Just a thought...do you also pay income tax, or is the terribly high sales tax the main means of government support. In the U.S., they are talking about doing away with the 20%-40% income tax and replacing it with a very high sales tax (BTW, it will never happen). - Greg Chambers At 12:49 PM 7/4/98 +0200, you wrote: >I have got some letters asking about the total cost I have paid for my PC`s >and >here are some retailer prices on other bikes (new 1998 models) in US.$: > >BMW R 1100 RT 25390 >BMW K 1100 LT 27343 >BMW K1200 RS 27851 >Bimota 500 Vdue 29283 >Ducati 916 Senna 31106 >HD Softail Springer 33463 >Honda VT 750 Shadow 16263 >Honda Pan European 26028 >Honda GL 1500 SE 32539 > >We pay tax on HP and engine volume and then on top 23% sales tax like this >when importing: >NOK 6200 standard tax on each bike + > >Volume tax: >NOK 0,00 pr.ccm.of the first 125 cc+ >NOK 21.30 pr. ccm of the next 775 cc+ >NOK 46,70 pr. ccm of the rest >+ >HP tax: >NOK 0.00 of the first 11 Kw + >NOK 276.00 for every Hp of the rest >+ >Salestax: >23% on top of >Import invoice price+ >freight+ >total taxes >=Our Cost. > >These are deatils of 1997 taxes, they have risen 3,7% since then. > >Luckily there is a deduction system for secondhand bike import that starts >with 6 month old bike get 12% discount on Hp ,cc and importtax and this >goes up to a deduction of max 80% if the bike is 15 years or older. > >Earlier there where a taxation systen that worked only on Invioce price and >made smaller bikes and really expencive bikes cost more than today. A BMW >or a GW has fallen about $ 3000 on this new system. >In one of the largest oil producion nations of the world it is a shame to >drive Just for fun. Petrol cost here more than $1.23 a LITRE. > >I want to MOVE!!!!! >No, I really don`t. >If we dont agree the government it still the finest country in the world >for motorcycle riding!!! > > >Regards > >Arvid > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 23:26:56 -0700 To: "Dana L. Sawyer" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Greg Chambers Subject: Re: PC800: My HSTA spamming Dana - Although your messages were getting repetitive, I don't think "offended" would be an appropriate word. You are certainly dedicated to your cause, and that is to be admired. On the other hand, I also think Johann made an excellent point, and I appreciate your cooperative response. I was reviewing the Gold Wing list earlier today, and this type of "issue" usually ends up nasty on their list. Maybe we're just downright nice people, huh? - Greg Chambers At 07:24 AM 7/4/98 -0400, you wrote: > >Johan has an excellent point! In my enthusiasm to spread the >word about the Honda Sport Touring Association, I hadn't looked >at my messages in that light! > >In the future I will respond privately to individual folks on the PC list. > >Thanks for the excellent suggestion, Johan! > >My apologies to anyone on the PC list that I may have offended... > >Dana Sawyer >Founder- HSTA >-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 03:40:51 -0400 From: "Dana L. Sawyer" Subject: PC800: Remembering... To: HondaPacificCoastOwners , HSTA Postings to List Many of us have friends and/or relatives living in Florida, and we need t= o remember them during the difficult days. It seems that there has been an overabundance of similar calamities lately. Let's just hope that the load= s placed on our shoulders aren't heavier than we can handle... I hope that each of you had a pleasant, cool and safe Fourth of July! Now...let's go ride... Dana Sawyer -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Torill Janne Knutsen" To: Subject: PC800: Income tax ? Oh Yes!!! Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 16:26:00 +0200 we do have to pay income tax, average for normal income is 28 %, but is as high as 50% on all income You do extra. ( OH it very good now, earlier it was up to 78%) We do also pay Roadtax about $ 2000 a year for every vehicle registred, We do also pay extra Tax if You live in your own house We do also pay extra tax on money saved in banks, money fonds or whatever. we all pay 2% tax to foreign couontries to develop them. If You buy a car the average tax on the car,More PS, more tax; is 113% + 23% sales tax. I have seen a graph of the taxation system here and that showed that we do pay 117% tax average a Year. I really cant beleive that, we have to have some food sometimes!! Regards Arvid -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PLeray@aol.com Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 11:11:29 EDT To: gpchambers@earthlink.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: group evaluation. In a message dated 98-07-05 02:38:14 EDT, you write: << Maybe we're just downright nice people, huh? - Greg Chambers >> You know, Greg, I was just thinking the same thing! It's really uncommon to find a group of people nowadays as polite and organized in their thinking as this group. (yes, there are a few loose screws, but.....) It'd be worth the price if it was offered as an accessory to the pc! I guess there are some advantages to being oriented 2 points off magnetic North, huh? ;-) Patrick in La. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 11:26:58 -0700 From: Phil Lewis To: Greg Chambers CC: "Dana L. Sawyer" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: My HSTA spamming Greg Chambers wrote: > I was reviewing the Gold Wing list earlier today, so, Greg, is their a Goldwing in your future!!?? :) at least I don't review the Voyager list!! (actually, I don't think there IS one! ) ;) Still a PC'er in spirit, Phil -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Roger Bowen" To: Subject: PC800: New Member Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 09:41:08 -0700 Hi Folks, I just joined this group and offer the following info: Name: Roger Bowen Location: Southern Oregon Email: rbowen@budget.net PC Model year: 1998 Bought: New Modifications: None I don't have 200 miles on the bike yet (just bought it 7/02/98), but so = far, I love it. I gave up biking about 15 years ago (on a 72 BMW R75/5 which I bought = new.) The 'bug' bit me again so here I am with another bike (2nd childhood?). The only comments/questions I have about the PC800 are: 1. It looks difficult to get to any maintenance items on the bike due = to the full coverage cowling. I hope I learn how/and what covers to snap off. 2. There is a knurled knob just under the trunk release lever that the = manual doesn't=20 mention. Is this a fuel cutoff? TIA, -Roger -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Denver Man" To: "PC800 Group" Subject: PC800: Starting Problem Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 11:06:10 -0000 Hey gang I was wondering if someone out there might know the solution to = my problem. About 2 weeks ago my bike just started having problems = starting, out of the blue. When I push the start button nothing happens, = then if I hold it down the starter starts going....and stopping...and = going....and stopping until it just turns over the engine. A couple of = times it just didn't want to start until it backfired, then it started = right away. Now it doesn't backfire but it doesn't start the within the = first 3 seconds like it used to. It does the start stop start stop = start and go thing every time. Any suggestions? It's not the battery, = I don't think because it's new and I have one of those battery chargers = that you leave it plugged in when your not going to ride the bike = everyday. And the light on that says fully charged when I unplug it = each day. A couple of times I did smell gas when I went to start her = first thing in the morning, is there someplace I should check for = leakage? Any help would be greatly appreciated. I called my local Honda dealer = but they couldn't fit me in for 3 weeks, the problem is progressively = getting less and less.....why is that? Alexander in Denver. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 13:05:14 -0400 To: "Roger Bowen" , From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: New Member At 9:41 AM -0700 7/5/98, Roger Bowen wrote: > Hi Folks, I just joined this group... Welcome Roger. Congratulations on the new PC800. >The only comments/questions I have about the PC800 are: 1.  It looks >difficult >to get to any maintenance items on the bike due to the full >coverage cowling.  >I hope I learn how/and what covers to snap off. I would recommend that you buy a Honda shop manual. It will tell you everything you need to know about the PC800. >2.  There is a knurled knob just under the trunk release lever that >the manual >doesn't mention.  Is this a fuel cutoff? This is the idle speed adjuster screw. Good luck with your new motorcycle. You'll love it! bye for now... fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 11:18:29 -0700 To: Phil Lewis From: Greg Chambers Subject: Re: PC800: My HSTA spamming Cc: "Dana L. Sawyer" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Well Phil, it's hard to tell. I got interested in biking by happening upon the end of a big Gold Wing rally in Montana about six years ago, as we all went over the Going to the Sun Highway in Glacier National Park together. They were on their Wings, and I was in my 1984 Ford LTD Crown Victoria station wagon with wife and kids. All we were missing was the dog. I gotta tell ya, those Gold Wings looked pretty nice from where I stood. Don't get me wrong, I truly love our family vacations, but that is without doubt the most beautiful part of these United States, and I sure would like to see it from the seat of a motorcycle. I love my PC, and would certainly miss the "sport" part of sport touring, but if I have any real hope of long-distance touring, I'm sorely tempted to get one of those luxo-boats with the radio, and the nice seat, and the CB, and the huge windscreen, and... Greg At 11:26 AM 7/4/98 -0700, Phil Lewis wrote: > > >Greg Chambers wrote: > >> I was reviewing the Gold Wing list earlier today, > >so, Greg, is their a Goldwing in your future!!?? :) > >at least I don't review the Voyager list!! (actually, I don't think there IS >one! ) ;) > >Still a PC'er in spirit, > >Phil > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sun, 5 Jul 1998 17:05:00 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve & Diane Scudder " To: "David Kelly" Cc: "PC800 Listserve" Subject: Re: PC800: The true meaning of almost empty. Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 16:57:08 -0400 -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: David Kelly To: Steve & Diane Scudder Cc: pc 800 list Date: Sunday, July 05, 1998 12:00 AM Subject: Re: PC800: The true meaning of almost empty. "Steve & Diane Scudder " writes: > Hi all, > > I believe I have found the elusive " so empty, you are about to walk " fuel > level on the PC800. > 264.8 Miles > 4.18 Gallons of gas ( filled to the base of the filler neck, as it enters > the tank ) = > 63.35 Miles per gallon!!! Thank you K&N! Is this the PC you turbocharged? :-) -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. Unlike the Turbo joke, this is for real. I ran the PC almost dry out of curiosity ( does it really hold 4 gallons? ) after several Listers revealed that empty is actually when the needle points to the handle on the gas pump graphic. The mileage is the real thing too! I averaged 47-52 mpg after initial break-in, then after installing the K&N filter and a quick clean/regap of the plugs, the mileage gains became very noticeable. Steve Scudder -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 19:05:40 -0600 From: John Holley To: pc 800 list Subject: PC800: Lowering We took about 3-4" out of my wife's PC seat, but another inch would do her a lot of good. Has anyone found shorter shocks or a lowering mount for the PC? Thanks, John Holley -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "James Ritson" To: Subject: PC800: PC800 power figures Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:03:04 -0800 Hi , I just found your website. I have owned a '89 PC800 since 1991, yet I have never seen a figure quoted for the engine power. I assume it must be in the 55-60 BHP area, but can anyone tell me what the official figure is? Thanks James Ritson Anchorage Alaska -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "PC800 Listserve" From: David Kelly Subject: Wing Ding XX and Re: PC800: The true meaning of almost empty. of "Sun, 05 Jul 1998 16:57:08 EDT." <003401bda858$67a38500$ed1e62ce@greyhounds-> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 20:51:24 -0500 "Steve & Diane Scudder " writes: > > Unlike the Turbo joke, this is for real. I knew the turbo posting was a joke. I scrolled all the way down to the end. But couldn't resist wringing some more mileage (pun) out of the first version. Get the pun? More mileage with turbocharger? :-) > I ran the PC almost dry out of > curiosity ( does it really hold 4 gallons? ) after several Listers revealed > that empty is actually when the needle points to the handle on the gas pump > graphic. The mileage is the real thing too! > I averaged 47-52 mpg after initial break-in, then after installing the K&N > filter and a quick clean/regap of the plugs, the mileage gains became very > noticeable. When/if something changes as drastically as your change from 45 MPG to 63 MPG, I worry a bit. Might not be a bad time to check your plugs again to make sure they are not running lean. 4-strokes don't damage the way 2-strokes do. But my old habits/fears die hard. Just reached the 800 mile mark on my '98 PC800W today on the way home from Wing Ding XX (15 mile trip). Let the needle go as deep into the red as I've ever seen it. But I'm still used to tripmeter and reserve for judging motorcycle fuel. Managed to put just a tad over 3 gallons in the tank. Filled it up too far, almost overflowed. I'll learn. Every tank prior, got scared early, stopped when it only held 2.6 gallons (properly filled to just-over that little wire thing visible in the filler neck). Filled up at the same gas station 3 times this week. This tank was my worst gas mileage to date. Just under 45 MPG. I'm delighted anyhow as it included an hour or so of putting around in 1st gear cruising the parking garage looking at the other motorcycles (plus the error of filling it up too much). Saw a number of pearl white PC's. One red PC going up the mountain as I was coming down and headed home. Expected to see more PC's as on Wednesday I saw 3 within 2 miles of work. Those 3 were red. Was queued up for the grand parade Saturday when police cars came thru announcing on their PA, "Severe thunderstorms are on the way, everybody OFF the mountain..." Later, partying in the shelter of the civic center parking garage we learned the parade was canceled for the first time in Wing Ding history. I was looking forward to being able to ride thru red lights with impunity and police assistance. :-) Instead I got to make the choice of 1) waiting for the rain to go away, then riding home in the dark on wet roads, or 2) riding in the rain while there was still light. Took option 2 and got to learn how the PC dribbles rain on its rider. And how my new Tour Master Cordura jacket worked (pretty good). Plan was to purchase a new helmet at the Wing Ding. Secondary plan was to purchase an appropriate riding jacket. Trying on helmets the selection was down to a Shoei RF-800 and an Arai Signet/e. Couldn't find a Quantum/e. From what I can glean from Arai's ad copy the Signet is essentially the same as a Quantum but with a longer shape. Would have purchased a Signet/e but no real red ones were available, only "wine red". Didn't care for the other colors. At least I learned I wear an XL in Shoei and XXL in Arai. While I can get a large Arai over my head, and an XL is a better fit, the XXL Arai was not loose by any means. Expect the XL would induce headaches after an hour. Second task was to select other appropriate riding apparel. Harley-ish black leather stuff was fairly popular with the vendors. Less so with the attendees. Joe Rocket does a good job placing their products with vendors as several carried that line. Side by side with a Tour Master Cordura jacket I didn't think the Joe Rocket product was in the same class. Purchased a black/red Tour Master Cordura 3/4 jacket. Would rather have had a red-with-black accents but Tour Master doesn't make 'em that color. Also purchased a pair of forgotten brand ventilated summer riding gloves. Both from K&P Leathers of Michigan. In spite of being told a Vista Cruise for "most Honda and Kawasaki with 2-cable throttle and 7/8" handlebars" would not work on a PC, bought one anyhow. Spent 5 minutes investigating installation. Hard part appears to be slipping my handgrip about 1/16". From the factory there was a pretty big gap between the handgrip rubber and the handlebar plastic trim. Possibly enough for the Vista Cruise. Think I can notch the handlebar plastic trim to catch the Vista Cruise tab which is intended to brace between the throttle cables. Saw one PC with a ClearView windshield. Have sorta mixed feelings about it. Turbulence and noise is a problem with the factory shield. Rifle directly broaches this subject. Am partial to Rifle at the moment. Its time to tape a ruler to my stock windshield and head out on the road and decide what height I can look over. Wind hits my neck with stock shield. Purchase of a taller windshield is 2nd only to a new helmet. Cruising thru the bikes this morning noticed there was no line at the Dunlop tire check. Circled around and got inspected. At 770 miles I had "no measurable wear" on my K555's. Surprise! Anyhow it was important for Dunlop to see one more PC so they don't discontinue our tires. Plus it was interesting to learn what Dunlop liked in the way of tire pressure for the PC, 34 PSI front, 38 PSI rear. Technicians didn't even look it up in a book. I forgot to bring my tire gauges as Dunlop asked if I had mine with me, offering to calibrate it. Knowing the pressure they read off my tires, first thing when I got home dug up my 3 gauges and concluded 2 read 1 psi high at 35 psi, and one agreed with Dunlop. This test is hard to justify as there was at least 20 miles of heat added to my tires between home and Dunlop. Then again, had ridden 23 miles just prior to Dunlop's measurements. Its time for the car to visit NTB for rotate and balance. Think I'll take my tire gauges with me and see what they think. My NTB is only a mile or so from Dunlop's Huntsville plant (at one time, maybe still, this was where all American Dunlop motorcycle tires were made). Honda was giving demo rides. The sad thing was the first group I saw leave on a demo ride was being escorted by a Honda employee on the only demo PC. Presumably no one requested a demo of the PC. Later I saw someone riding the PC. Thought about demo-ing it myself just to make sure all the traits I'm learning of mine are common and correct. Didn't bother. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Dawn Wells" To: "pc800" Subject: PC800: Corbin Seat Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 21:57:37 -0400 Dear listers, = = =20 I just put on the Corbin seat- a few comments: 1. I love the way it looks ! It really dresses up the = bike. 2. The seat is lower, but wider, so my feet are no closer = to the ground.The catalog says the seat is 1 1/2 inchs lower than stock = but the stock seat compresses and the Corbin does not compress at all.I = am not saying its not comfortable -it just is really firm. 3.Jeff- from N.Y.- had trouble installing his seat; = problems with two tabs on back of drivers seat.[I opened up on of the = holes with a dremel hand grinder].Also the right rear bolt gave him = trouble. I had no problem with that bolt-but- I have the Honda backrest = and it gave me a b---- of a time to get it lined up when I installed the = passenger seat.[Hi Jeff !] 4. Because I am short the seat does two things for me = ;the sliding back [forward about 1 inch ] locks me in just enough.Also, = the slightly reduced height [it does end up maybe 1/2 inch lower] = combined with the stock screen and saeng edging gives me my optimum air = managment. 5. The current Corbin catalog says 2000 miles are = required to break in the seat; I'll report back then. = = Greg Wells P.S.I have done a 385 mile , a 409 mile , and a 416 = mile trip - each 1 day - over the last three weekends. For you new = listers who have not bought yet; when we talk of cruising at 75 or 80 it = really is true . These PC's will run as smooth as silk at these speeds. = Oh yeah , one more thing ; I had no problem with Dana's posts. saeng=20 edging gives me my optimum air managment.
 
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          &nbs= p;        =20 P.S.I have done a 385 mile , a 409 mile , and a 416 mile trip - each 1 = day -=20 over the last three weekends. For you new listers who have not bought = yet; when=20 we talk of cruising at 75 or 80 it really is true . These PC's will run = as=20 smooth as silk at these speeds. Oh yeah , one more thing ; I had no = problem with=20 Dana's posts.
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (IPAD 2.05) id 4363000 ; Sun, 05 Jul 1998 22:57:11 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 22:56:42 -0400 From: Scot Piper To: "Dana L. Sawyer" CC: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: Re: PC800: Paific Coast...a thing of the past? Quite a while back I heard some talk about a replacement for the PC called an Atlantic Coast. The details I heard were: a 900cc V-4 with a much superior suspension and detachable luggage. Has anyone else heard that story? I thought someone on the PC list mentioned it, but I can't remember where I heard it. Yes, I'd hate to see the PC go away too. But then again, if Honda could put some built in luggage (for detachable luggage) on that Interceptor... :-) Scot '89 PC800 ---------- Dana L. Sawyer wrote: > > The fact that even '98 PC800s are being discounted by American Honda makes > me think that we've seen the last of our favorite bike! However, we've been > fortunate for it to have stayed in the lineup for more years than other > models. And parts will continue to be available for a number of years. > > Which bring me to another point...we are on the verge of becoming a > vintage/classic bike group of folks! We need to keep our interest and > enthusiasm for our favorite bike high, for our numbers will eventually > dwindle down to a precious few (to steal words from a song!) > > Just something to think about while we are watching fireworks this > weekend... > > Dana > > P.S. The other side of the coin is that perhaps Honda is going to replace > it with something else that we will lust for. That's the way they have done > business over the years. You buy a bike today, think that it's the greatest > bike in the universe, and a few years later they have come out with a new > model that makes you begin to rationalize trading that baby in for a new > one. I gave a lot of thought to purchasing an 800 Interceptor before > deciding to buy another Pacific Coast. I have owned a bunch of Hondas (and > other brands of motorcycles) over the years, and I'll bet that many of you > have also! Personally, I am not looking for a bike that is bigger > (heavier), more powerful or more expensive than the Pacific Coast! Honda > already has the ST1100, and I think that 1999 will see a new udpated and > more expensive model of that bike! > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "James Ritson" cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 power figures of "Sun, 05 Jul 1998 18:03:04 -0800." <01bda882$361b1000$2580a5d1@default> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 21:58:59 -0500 "James Ritson" writes: > Hi , > I just found your website. I have owned a '89 PC800 since 1991, yet I have > never seen a figure quoted for the engine power. I assume it must be in the > 55-60 BHP area, but can anyone tell me what the official figure is? Officially I don't believe Honda makes any horsepower claims. Claiming horsepower only gets manufacturers in trouble with insurance companies and certain taxing agencies. If you are selling a crotch rocket to a market who will buy yours if it has 100 HP and the competition only has 98 HP, then you quote HP. PC, Gold Wing, H-D, and BMW buyers buy because they like it, HP be damned. OTOH from my bookmark archive http://www.dsv.nl/%7epce/mod-torque-hp.htm shows a HP peak at about 46 "BAE Corrected Horsepower" with a flat torque "curve" from 1800 RPM to 6000 RPM over 50 N-m. I don't feel like converting N-m to American tonight. '98 PC800W -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. via SMTP by InterJet.systest.com, id smtpd013640; Mon Jul 6 03:39:03 1998 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Brian Hopkins To: PC800 Listserve Subject: RE: Wing Ding XX and Re: PC800: The true meaning of almost empty. Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 21:24:54 -0700 In spite of being told a Vista Cruise for "most Honda and Kawasaki with 2-cable throttle and 7/8" handlebars" would not work on a PC, bought one anyhow. Spent 5 minutes investigating installation. Hard part appears to be slipping my handgrip about 1/16". From the factory there was a pretty big gap between the handgrip rubber and the handlebar plastic trim. Possibly enough for the Vista Cruise. Think I can notch the handlebar plastic trim to catch the Vista Cruise tab which is intended to brace between the throttle cables. Nope,doesn't work. 20 bucks down the drain. Ok, maybe you are more = talented than me, but I couldn't make mine work without binding on the = throttle. Another overpriced throttlemeister is on the way. Brian D. Hopkins Bhopkins@systest.com Denver, Colorado '96 VFR =20 '97 PC800=20 > There are two kinds of pedestrians... the quick and the dead. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) Sun, 5 Jul 1998 22:53:21 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 22:40:43 -0500 From: jgeistlubtx@door.net (geist, james) To: "Dana L. Sawyer" , "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: My HSTA spamming > Johan has an excellent point! In my enthusiasm to spread the > word about the Honda Sport Touring Association, I hadn't looked > at my messages in that light! > > In the future I will respond privately to individual folks on the PC > list. > > Thanks for the excellent suggestion, Johan! > > My apologies to anyone on the PC list that I may have offended... > > Dana Sawyer > Founder- HSTA > Hey Dana.No need to apologize.. Although I'm not a member...........yet........I still enjoy reading about your group's activities. It look's like you guys have a lot of fun. I wish I had more time on my hand's and I'd join in a flash. Between work and the kid's, I have very little *touring* time available. Maybe in the future (when my six yr. old graduates high school..*S*), I'll find more time to travel. Keep up the good work with HSTA. James Lubbock, Tx. '90 PC P.S.......If ya'll ever come to West Texas, give me an "E". I'd really enjoy riding with ya. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: HondaPacificCoastOwners From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Paific Coast...a thing of the past? of "Sun, 05 Jul 1998 22:56:42 EDT." <35A03CEA.7257@mdn.net> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 22:15:31 -0500 Scot Piper writes: > Quite a while back I heard some talk about a replacement for the PC > called an Atlantic Coast. The details I heard were: a 900cc V-4 with a > much superior suspension and detachable luggage. Has anyone else heard > that story? I thought someone on the PC list mentioned it, but I can't > remember where I heard it. I heard Honda is going to discontinue what we know and love in order to make room for something totally new. Carried over from the existing PC will be totally enclosed body work. Within that body work will be a miniature nuclear power plant, which we all know looks nothing like a reciprocating piston engine. Hence the logical choice of the PC for introduction of nuclear power to the motorcycling market. Remember, you heard it here first. :-) -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Paific Coast...a thing of the past? Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:29:26 +0200 > Quite a while back I heard some talk about a replacement for the PC > called an Atlantic Coast. The details I heard were: a 900cc V-4 with a > much superior suspension and detachable luggage. Has anyone else heard > that story? I thought someone on the PC list mentioned it, but I can't > remember where I heard it. The only other time I heard of an Atlantic Coast was in a dutch magazine a while back, when they were predicting future models. They had a drawing of a bike called Atlantic Coast, with built in suitcases. This exact bike was presented about a year later as the Honda NT650V "Deauville". But that's 650, not 900 cc. Emile Nossin '90 PC800 " The Flying Dutchman " Santpoort, Holland Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 07:55:38 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Betty Lise Anderson Subject: PC800: blue book PC prices Hi, In response to the request for prices paid for used PC's, my buddy found a web page with blue book values (no, I don't have the url, sorry). They go: 1997: 6790 1996: 6195 1995: 5160 1994: 4740 1993: - 1992: - 1991: - 1990: 3890 1989: 3590 Betty Lise Anderson Dept. Of Electrical Engineering The Ohio State University 205 Dreese Lab 2015 Neil Avenue Columbus OH check out the cool zip code 43210 http://eewww.eng.ohio-state.edu/~anderson/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Re: modulator features Date: Mon, 6 Jul 98 08:27:40 -0500 From: "Paul B. Atkins" To: , "pc 800 list" >Subject: Re: PC800: Re: modulator features >Sent: 07/05/1998 8:28 AM >From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com >To: Patkins > > >Hi, Paul: > >In a message dated 98-07-04 13:31:53 EDT, you write: > ><< have you looked at the Kriss propaganda..they make your brand sound like a >bulb burner....just curious.. >> > >No, I haven't. It would be interesting to see it. Where have you seen it? > >I'm not sure what would make one modulator more likely than another to cause >premature bulb failure, but I'd like to know what they think makes theirs >better than the others in that regard. > >J.T. Jt...on the web page, plus I had sent for some last year before I heard about Kisan... Paul -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Re: modulator features Date: Mon, 6 Jul 98 08:27:44 -0500 From: "Paul B. Atkins" To: , "pc 800 list" > >Hi, Paul! > >The Kisan unit does its job and is extremely easy to install. > >Try installing a Kriss unit on your PC and you'll wish you had a Kisan! > >Dana > >P.S. I think that the Kriss stuff is more geared toward Gold Wingers with >lots of lights... thanks Dana.....this week, I'm going to follow up..I knew you had a modulator, but not sure what brand.... Paul -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: My HSTA spamming Date: Mon, 6 Jul 98 08:27:47 -0500 From: "Paul B. Atkins" To: , "pc 800 list" >Subject: Re: PC800: My HSTA spamming >Sent: 07/05/1998 11:45 AM >From: pilewis1@concentric.net >To: Patkins > > > > >Greg Chambers wrote: > >> I was reviewing the Gold Wing list earlier today, > >so, Greg, is their a Goldwing in your future!!?? :) > >at least I don't review the Voyager list!! (actually, I don't think there IS >one! ) ;) > >Still a PC'er in spirit, > >Phil > I think there is in mine...but not for some time...my wonderful girlfriend I think would feel better on the back of one than on my PC...being the considerate sensitive male of the millenium that I am..I may be looking for a used one next century! >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Paul B. Atkins 1996 Pacific Coast patkins@mari.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:32:06 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re:Vista Cruise. Hi, Brian, et al. There are lots of PCs with the Vista Cruise (and similar devices including the NEB unit that I have) installed. They work fine, but they do require some modifiction either of the grip flange or the throttle locking plates. I chose the latter. That is, I ground the extra material off the sides of the plates making them thin enough to fit between the grip and the bar cover without binding. Another option to cutting a slot in the bar cover to hold the tab is to cut the tab off and use a screw to attach the unit to the bar cover. J.T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: chargerblue@juno.com by m15.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DHGUQ8WA; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 10:14:58 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: My HSTA spamming Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 10:14:58 EDT I'm in agreement here. Sammy D, ---------------------------ooO--( ^o^)--Ooo------------------------ The San Diego Chargers, the Lakers and my Honda Pacific Coast, Southern California, ....................what a great place to live!!! ICQ# 13888368 E-mail: chargerblue@juno.com On Sat, 04 Jul 1998 08:30:06 -0700 Johan Lai writes: >Hi Dana, > >I agree with Frank on this. Thanks for your gracious response! > >Cheers, >Johan Lai >Orange, CA >'89 "Cassandra" > >frankc@nap62.nap-wc.usace.army.mil wrote: >> >> No need to apoligize, Dana. You have a good group, its related to >this >> list, and anyone who doesn't want to read it, can simply delete it. >> Your informative comments in the past more than compensates for an >> occasional invite to join the HSTA. >> >> >> -- >> Visit the PC800 web page at >> To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body >of a >> message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >> To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 10:33:01 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 10:32:36 -0400 From: "J. MARK VENABLE" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Wing Ding XX and Re: PC800: The true meaning of almost empty. Brian Hopkins wrote: >In spite of being told a Vista Cruise for "most Honda and Kawasaki with >2-cable throttle and 7/8" handlebars" would not work on a PC, bought one >anyhow. Spent 5 minutes investigating installation. Hard part appears to >be slipping my handgrip about 1/16". From the factory there was a pretty >big gap between the handgrip rubber and the handlebar plastic trim. >Possibly enough for the Vista Cruise. Think I can notch the handlebar >plastic trim to catch the Vista Cruise tab which is intended to brace >between the throttle cables. >Nope,doesn't work. 20 bucks down the drain. Ok, maybe you are more talented than me, but I couldn't make >mine work without binding on the throttle. Another overpriced throttlemeister is on the way. You can easily make more room between the handgrip and plastic trim to fit the vistacruise into. 1. Remove the end weight 2. slip the grip out (a little tricky because it adheres to the handlebar) 3. install the vistacruise (a little plastic surgery is needed to cut a hole for the tabs) 4. put the end weight back on with an extra washer under the bolt to take up the extra length of the assembly 5. go riding with your new "cruise control" 6. invest the money saved by not buying the throttlemeister 7. retire early and ride full time Mark Venable '90 PC800 "This End up" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:19:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Miller Subject: Re: Wing Ding XX and Re: PC800: The true meaning of almost empty. To: PC800 Listserve David: I worked at the Huntsville plant for 5 years as a Tire Construction Engineer. When I left (5 years ago), they made no motorcycle tires there. All the motorcycle tires from the USA were made in Buffalo. Tony > Think I'll take my tire gauges with me and see what they think. My NTB > is only a mile or so from Dunlop's Huntsville plant (at one time, maybe > still, this was where all American Dunlop motorcycle tires were made). > == My homepage URL is http://members.tripod.com/~tlmiller/ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by nt10.iamerica.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:39:20 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 11:37:00 -0500 From: Mike Nichols To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Speedometer accuracy? Fellow PC'ers: On a recent trip I wondered about the accuracy of my speedometer. Checked it against my car's speedometer. What I found was about a 7 mph difference. The PC shows I'm doing 80 when my Taurus says I'm doing about 72-73. (Of course, now I want to check my car's accuracy.) Anyone notice this kind of inaccuracy? Mike Nichols '97 PC "Tabasco" 1350 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:52:45 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Betty Lise Anderson Subject: Fwd: Re: PC800: Pacific Coast...a thing of the past? "Emile Nossin" says: >The only other time I heard of an Atlantic Coast was in a >dutch magazine a while back, when they were predicting >future models. They had a drawing of a bike called >Atlantic Coast, with built in suitcases. This exact bike >was presented about a year later as the Honda NT650V >"Deauville". But that's 650, not 900 cc. The rumors I heard at the Honda Hoot is that this bike (the Deauville) will be marketed in Europe only and that Honda is saying there is no chance at all that it will be available in the US. (rats.) Betty Lise Anderson Dept. Of Electrical Engineering The Ohio State University 205 Dreese Lab 2015 Neil Avenue Columbus OH check out the cool zip code 43210 http://eewww.eng.ohio-state.edu/~anderson/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:26:09 -0400 To: mvnlan@hopper.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Speedometer accuracy? At 11:37 AM -0500 7/6/98, Mike Nichols wrote: >Fellow PC'ers: > >On a recent trip I wondered about the accuracy of my speedometer. >Checked it against my car's speedometer. What I found was about a 7 mph >difference. The PC shows I'm doing 80 when my Taurus says I'm doing >about 72-73. (Of course, now I want to check my car's accuracy.) > >Anyone notice this kind of inaccuracy? > >Mike Nichols Hello Mike. Most vehicles, both car and motorcycle, do not have an accurate speedometer. In most cases, the error is that the reading is higher than actual speed. Indicated 75 mph may only be 72mph, for example, or even as low as 65. The amount of error can vary widely. I have had cars that were off by as much as 12%. Keep in mind that a worn tire can read higher than a new tire, just on the difference in tread wear. A friend of mine hooked up one of those bike speedometer/trip computer gauges to his ST1100. These units have a magnetic pickup and a small magnet. The great thing about these units is that they need to be calibrated to your tire size, based on the circumference of the tire, which you measure yourself. I can't remember the actual numbers, but I remember that his speedometer was not accurate, and that he was never going as fast as he thought. I have one of these computers on my mountain bike. I think if I can find the instructions that came with it, I may mount it to my PC800 for a few weeks, just to compare. As a side note on the negative effects of this, a neighbour of mine, about 20 years ago, had one of those Dodge pickups, called "L'il Red Express". After months of horrible gas mileage, he had the dealer change the gear in the differential, which would reduce performance but increase mpg's. The dealer neglected to change the speedometer gear located on the back end of the transmission. On his first drive down the highway, at an indicated 60mph, he got pulled over for speeding. 82 in a 55. I have heard of some list members trying other tires for the PC800, in sizes that were close to, but not the same as, original. I would be curious to know which of these tires increased the discrepency, and which ones helped make the speedometer more accurate. Just my thoughts....your actual mileage may vary.... fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ernie.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA11462; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 10:52:03 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: Henryb1064@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: It had to happen sometime... Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:53:15 -0700 Henry: I had a car stomp on the gas to come from behind me in the next lane and then swerve into the side of me. She was trying to blast in front of the car behind me, without noticing that I was there. (I was in plain view.) The PC800 crash guards saved me. She hit both the front and read crash guard, and she bent my footpeg! She hit me hard enough to move me laterally in my lane about 3 feet! (I stayed up.) My front crash bar penetrated her front fender. I hate to think what might have happened to my leg if those crash bars had not been there. The covers for the crash bars (and the crash bars if necessary) can be ordered from your Honda dealer. Check the archives for the phone number of Honda of Milpitas (sp?). They seem to have the best prices. Perhaps another list member can help. Alternatively you could check motorcycle salvage shops. Since your '94 PC is silver, you will have to paint the covers regardless of where you get them. ('94 PC were all black, no silver models.) On the other hand, black crash guards might look cool on a silver bike. ;-) Good luck Todd Vierheller > -----Original Message----- > From: Henryb1064@aol.com [SMTP:Henryb1064@aol.com] > > I am sad to report that my bike got laid down today, causing damage > to the left front fairing protector and the left rear truck protector > pieces. > > I was dumb enough to let a friend try out my 94 PC and he laid it > down. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ernie.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA11881; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 11:47:59 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: BernieK469@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Comments & an Interesting Rumor. Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:49:09 -0700 My comments on Bernie's commentary are preceded by "[TV]". > -----Original Message----- > From: BernieK469@aol.com [SMTP:BernieK469@aol.com] > There are some interesting rumors coming out of Europe for those of us > who are > piling up miles on our Pacific Coasts. I have 41K on my 94 now, and I > have > wondered, if I had to trade, where would I go. > [TV] My first comment is that it isn't necessary to go anywhere for quite awhile. I had an '82 Honda CM450E that had 65,000 miles on it when I sold it. After 65,000 miles it ran great. The secret is changing the oil regularly. (I used Mobil 1 to make the clutch work smoother on hot days.) The Honda shop guys had no idea that a 450 could last that long and still be in like new condition. I simply got tired of putting a new chain and sprockets on it every 20,000 miles. The wheel bearings would go about 25,000 miles. I had to pay in advance for the work at one dealer because the parts and labor cost more than the bike was worth! (The Honda shop didn't require this.) So, check back when the PC has 241,000 miles on it! Your Hondas will run a lot longer than you might at first suppose. (Most of you can stop reading now.) . > I am just not a Gold Wing man. > It is to big, to cumbersome and I don't enjoy riding it. > [TV] No kidding. > I have > test rode both the ST1100 and the Concours. The ST1100 is smooth, > fast and a > hell of a long distance runner. But I have some problems with the > 1100. Its > riding position is a little too radical for me. Heli bars would help, > but not > solved the problem. To much pressure on my wrists, my back is arched > more > than I like and my feet are tucked to far behind me. I feel like I > should be > running in the Kentucky Derby. > [TV] Exactly why I did not buy the ST1100 with ABS II. Well spoken. > I actually feel more at ease on the Concours. > Of all the bikes I have recently ridden, I prefer the Connie. The > Connie is > one of the few bikes that can be taken out of the box and driven > comfortably > to the furthest coast. It comes, OME, with a modified Corbin Saddle > and a > wind screen almost as good as a Rifle. > [TV] An excellent bike. Think of a Ninja 1000 set up for touring. It has a clock on the dash, and two trip meters, plus luggage. At $8000 for a liter bike with flash, it is an excellent buy. > The problem I have with the Connie is > the same as with the Voyager. It just does not have Honda quality. > [TV] Get used to it. No bike has Honda quality! The Kawasaki also carries its weight a little high due to the placement of the gas tank. They have to be properly tuned or they can be "buzzy". > I guess > that brings up BMW. The BMW nearest to the Pacific Coast is the > R1100RT. In > fact my PC, by the unknowledgeable, has been confused a number of > times with > a R1100. I am not a fan of the air cooled boxer engine, and I think > the > transmission in the R1100 is an abortion. My biggest complaint against > BMW is > the cost of their machines, and the outrageous expense of service. > [TV] The R1100RT and all other "boxers" are air AND oil cooled since 1994. The oil has a radiator and thermostat arrangement to keep the bike cool. The BMW transmission is clunky. The wheel rims are too soft. The fuel injection isn't state of the art. The BMWs are overpriced.. The cost for service is similar to the cost of service on my PC, but the cost for parts and accessories is astronomical. Did I mention that BMW cost too much? > There apparently is going to be a new bike on the block. Reports have > been > floating out of Europe of a shaft driven Triumph Trophy. I have only > be on > Triumphs for short distances (are they fast), I liked the riding > position and > they flick like an old Honda Hawk. The Trophy may be something we > want to > consider when the time comes. > [TV] All Triumphs had chain drive when I was looking. A shaft drive Trophy might be interesting. I don't think the prince of darkness (Lucas) does the wiring anymore. [TV] "When the time comes", Honda will probably have a completely new lineup available. Unless the PC800 is crash tested ;-( it should last for hundreds of thousands of miles. Just use Mobil One and regular oil/filter changes. > Bernie > [TV] Todd Vierheller ]TV] '96 BMW R1100RTL, "Rain Dancer" [TV] '96 Honda Pacific Coast, Killed in Action [TV] Brier (Seattle), WA - The Great Pacific NorthWet -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:10:17 -0700 (PDT) From: John La Subject: PC800: FAQ- suggestions? To: pclist I've made a few changes to the PC800 FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) based on some suggestions from this list. Please e-mail me with additional suggestions and other Q+A's you think should be there. Here is the URL: http://hhd.csun.edu/john/pcfaq.htm or this might show up as a clickable link: http://hhd.csun.edu/john/pcfaq.htm Thanks! John _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DHHJQSPE; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 16:39:13 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: greyhound@bizgroup.net Cc: dkelly@hiwaay.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 06:45:08 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: The true meaning of almost empty. From: miketwh@juno.com (Mike T Whited) I ran mine completely dry, 4.1 gallons to the top. Mike Whited ' 94 Pc . >curiosity ( does it really hold 4 gallons? ) after several Listers >revealed >that empty is actually when the needle points to the handle on the gas >pump >graphic. The mileage is the real thing too! >I averaged 47-52 mpg after initial break-in, then after installing the >K&N >filter and a quick clean/regap of the plugs, the mileage gains became >very >noticeable. > >Steve Scudder > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DHHLLAZN; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 17:11:43 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: mvnlan@hopper.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:59:53 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Speedometer accuracy? From: miketwh@juno.com (Mike T Whited) What I notice is the difference between an old worn out set of tires and a brand spanking new set. MIke Whited ' 94 >difference. The PC shows I'm doing 80 when my Taurus says I'm doing >about 72-73. (Of course, now I want to check my car's accuracy.) > >Anyone notice this kind of inaccuracy? > >Mike Nichols >'97 PC "Tabasco" >1350 miles >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. via SMTP by server9.wans.net, id smtpdAAAa001ro; Mon Jul 6 16:18:09 1998 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Craig Carter" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: It had to happen sometime... Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:16:05 -0500 Henry, I have to disagree with Todd's statement below. The '94 is like my '95 and is silver on bottom (to include the crash bar covers). You can order the covers in the model year and color you need. When I purchased my '95, there was a '94 right next to it in exactly the same colors--Black on top, Silver on bottom. I agree that Honda of Milipitas has some of the best prices. Glad to hear that was all that was damaged. Craig '95 PC800 -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: Henryb1064@aol.com ; pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Monday, July 06, 1998 12:54 PM Subject: RE: PC800: It had to happen sometime... >Henry: > >I had a car stomp on the gas to come from behind me in the next lane and >then swerve into the side of me. She was trying to blast in front of >the car behind me, without noticing that I was there. (I was in plain >view.) > >The PC800 crash guards saved me. She hit both the front and read crash >guard, and she bent my footpeg! She hit me hard enough to move me >laterally in my lane about 3 feet! (I stayed up.) My front crash bar >penetrated her front fender. I hate to think what might have happened >to my leg if those crash bars had not been there. > >The covers for the crash bars (and the crash bars if necessary) can be >ordered from your Honda dealer. Check the archives for the phone >number of Honda of Milpitas (sp?). They seem to have the best prices. >Perhaps another list member can help. > >Alternatively you could check motorcycle salvage shops. > >Since your '94 PC is silver, you will have to paint the covers >regardless of where you get them. ('94 PC were all black, no silver >models.) On the other hand, black crash guards might look cool on a >silver bike. ;-) > >Good luck > >Todd Vierheller > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Henryb1064@aol.com [SMTP:Henryb1064@aol.com] >> >> I am sad to report that my bike got laid down today, causing damage >> to the left front fairing protector and the left rear truck protector >> pieces. >> >> I was dumb enough to let a friend try out my 94 PC and he laid it >> down. > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Roger Bowen" To: Cc: "pc800" Subject: Re: PC800: Speedometer accuracy? Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:15:48 -0700 >Fellow PC'ers: > >On a recent trip I wondered about the accuracy of my speedometer. >Checked it against my car's speedometer. What I found was about a 7 mph >difference. The PC shows I'm doing 80 when my Taurus says I'm doing >about 72-73. (Of course, now I want to check my car's accuracy.) > >Anyone notice this kind of inaccuracy? > FWIW, When I was bring my new PC800 home from the dealer (about 70 miles away) the person who ferried my car back swore he was going 70. I was following and consistently indicating 75. I, some time ago, received a speeding ticket (radar) and the radar agreed with my car speedometer. Roger -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 16:32:56 -0500 From: Jeffrey King To: mvnlan@hopper.net CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Speedometer accuracy? Mike Nichols wrote: > > Fellow PC'ers: > > On a recent trip I wondered about the accuracy of my speedometer. > Checked it against my car's speedometer. What I found was about a 7 > mph > difference. The PC shows I'm doing 80 when my Taurus says I'm doing > about 72-73. (Of course, now I want to check my car's accuracy.) > > Anyone notice this kind of inaccuracy? > > Mike Nichols > '97 PC "Tabasco" > 1350 miles > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. A very accurate way to check the accuracy of your speedometer is to time yourself over a measured mile (series of mile markers, or if you're lucky, one of those "speedometer check zones" on some highways). Hold at a steady speed, and time as accurately as you can the number of seconds to cover a mile or miles. Divide the seconds into 3600 for each mile (7200 for two miles, etc) and you'll have your exact speed. It's always a good idea to do this over several miles, or at different locations because mile markers are not always placed *exactly* one mile apart, but the reading you will get will be close enough to tell if you are off by a fair amount. I suppose I should re-introduce myself to the list at this point also.... Jeffrey King Krum (where?), Texas Past bikes owned: 70 Kawasaki Bushmaster 90 71 Honda 450 DOHC 75 Honda 550-4 cylinder 81 Suzuki GN400 (single cylinder mini chopper) 78 Suzuki GS400 (twin) (current bike) I don't currently own a PC, but I've been in love with them ever since I saw my first one back in '89. My money situation (or lack of it) has kept me from getting one though. However, looking at the prices of new ones has gotten my PC blood to boiling again, even more than last year when I contacted a few people on the list about buying a used one. I'm currently riding right on the edge of that financial fence at the moment. I really need to hear some bad things about the PC or I'm afraid I'll go get one tomorrow! :) Regards, Jeff (PC-less in Texas) -- ==================================================================== Jeffrey W. King (K5ING) Krum, TX. USA 940.482.3446 (home) 972.597.1021 (pager) ==================================================================== http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/1919 ==================================================================== -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 15:04:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Miller Subject: Re: PC800: Speedometer accuracy? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Jeff: I absolutely LOVE my PC800! My advice to you is to go get one. They are the greatest bargain I've seen. The dealer in Ocala advertises them (98's) for $5600, I think! Tony in Gainesville, FL I'm currently riding right on the edge > of that financial fence at the moment. I really need to hear some > bad things about the PC or I'm afraid I'll go get one tomorrow! :) > == My homepage URL is http://members.tripod.com/~tlmiller/ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by nt10.iamerica.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:41:35 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 18:39:18 -0500 From: Mike Nichols To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Speedometer accuracy Listers: Thanks for the feedback on speedometer accuracy. As I read the replies I remembered I had checked my speed by the mile markers but had never calculated it out. At 80mph on the speedo, I did a mile in 48 sec. That'll get me a true 75mph. I'll confirm this next time I'm out and about. Thanks for the replies! "Keep the skin side up!" Mike Nichols -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 20:35:32 -0400 From: Pat McNew To: Honda Pacific Coast Group Subject: PC800: Speed Control --------------14722D32ED5B6729FF54269E Coasters: I had the chance to ride some distance with my "wrist rest" this weekend. I think it is the answer for me. I don't like the idea of locking down my throttle in case of an emergency. I might have my hands too full to turn the thing off or manually throttle back. With the rest I adjust the angle of the dangle to hold my highway speed with my preferred wrist angle. My palm holds it open and I can relax my grip. The only problem with the commercial ones I have seen is they are made for cruiser grips and are too big for the PC. That, and the fact that I am thrifty, is why I made my own. Pat McNew 1996 PC800 3050 (S)miles --------------14722D32ED5B6729FF54269E Coasters:

I had the chance to ride some distance with my "wrist rest" this weekend.  I think it is the answer for me.  I don't like the idea of locking down my throttle in case of an emergency.  I might have my hands too full to turn the thing off or manually throttle back.  With the rest I adjust the angle of the dangle to hold my highway speed with my preferred wrist angle.  My palm holds it open and I can relax my grip.  The only problem with the commercial ones I have seen is they are made for cruiser grips and are too big for the PC.  That, and the fact that I am thrifty, is why I made my own.

Pat McNew
1996 PC800 3050 (S)miles --------------14722D32ED5B6729FF54269E-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. via SMTP by InterJet.systest.com, id smtpd022042; Tue Jul 7 01:20:07 1998 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Brian Hopkins To: "PC 800 List (E-mail)" Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 19:05:42 -0700 ARGHHHHH!!!! Ok, I've put this on my VFR, so I know how to do this. But this one = isn't working. I put on the friction doodad, put on two washers and two shims and put = between the spacer. I crank it down. It's short of the friction ring = and it doesn't turn. (you cannot turn the cylinder without loosening the = bolt). Ok, so I take out washers and shims and etc. Still the same = thing. I take out all of the washers and shims except for the spacer itself. = Turn the bolt down, you can still turn the throttle, (just barely) and = you still can't turn the cylinder.=20 What's wrong? I think I got sent the wrong spacer. Thoughts??? Help??? Brian D. Hopkins Bhopkins@systest.com Denver, Colorado '96 VFR =20 '97 PC800 (that apparently does NOT want a throttle lock on it) > There are two kinds of pedestrians... the quick and the dead. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (IPAD 2.05) id 2404200 ; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 21:26:56 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 16:03:58 -0400 From: Scot Piper To: Francois Saint Laurent CC: mvnlan@hopper.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Speedometer accuracy? A mountain bike computer with a magnetic sensor? I didn't think those things went that fast. Why not just use a decent GPS? $99 for a GPS ($149 for a better one) and as My Cousin Vinny puts it, "dead on balls"... Scot ps. Or you can ask MR. LEO to measure your speed. Why not, what else does he have to do? I did that with my boat a few years back. And the best part, I caught him at break time and he had some extra donuts... ---- Francois Saint Laurent wrote: > > At 11:37 AM -0500 7/6/98, Mike Nichols wrote: > >Fellow PC'ers: > > > >On a recent trip I wondered about the accuracy of my speedometer. > >Checked it against my car's speedometer. What I found was about a 7 mph > >difference. The PC shows I'm doing 80 when my Taurus says I'm doing > >about 72-73. (Of course, now I want to check my car's accuracy.) > > > >Anyone notice this kind of inaccuracy? > > > >Mike Nichols > > Hello Mike. > > Most vehicles, both car and motorcycle, do not have an accurate > speedometer. In most cases, the error is that the reading is higher than > actual speed. Indicated 75 mph may only be 72mph, for example, or even as > low as 65. The amount of error can vary widely. I have had cars that were > off by as much as 12%. Keep in mind that a worn tire can read higher than > a new tire, just on the difference in tread wear. > > A friend of mine hooked up one of those bike speedometer/trip computer > gauges to his ST1100. These units have a magnetic pickup and a small > magnet. The great thing about these units is that they need to be > calibrated to your tire size, based on the circumference of the tire, which > you measure yourself. I can't remember the actual numbers, but I remember > that his speedometer was not accurate, and that he was never going as fast > as he thought. I have one of these computers on my mountain bike. I think > if I can find the instructions that came with it, I may mount it to my > PC800 for a few weeks, just to compare. > > As a side note on the negative effects of this, a neighbour of mine, about > 20 years ago, had one of those Dodge pickups, called "L'il Red Express". > After months of horrible gas mileage, he had the dealer change the gear in > the differential, which would reduce performance but increase mpg's. The > dealer neglected to change the speedometer gear located on the back end of > the transmission. On his first drive down the highway, at an indicated > 60mph, he got pulled over for speeding. 82 in a 55. > > I have heard of some list members trying other tires for the PC800, in > sizes that were close to, but not the same as, original. I would be > curious to know which of these tires increased the discrepency, and which > ones helped make the speedometer more accurate. > > Just my thoughts....your actual mileage may vary.... > > fsl > > (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) > > Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 > Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda > > HSTA Member Number 7470 > > (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Tony Miller cc: PC800 Listserve From: David Kelly Subject: Re: Wing Ding XX and Re: PC800: The true meaning of almost empty. of "Mon, 06 Jul 1998 09:19:09 PDT." <19980706161909.852.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 20:56:31 -0500 Tony Miller writes (about the Dunlop tire plant in Huntsville): > David: > > I worked at the Huntsville plant for 5 years as a Tire Construction > Engineer. When I left (5 years ago), they made no motorcycle tires > there. All the motorcycle tires from the USA were made in Buffalo. Aw heck! Was hoping Dunlop would flood the local market with inexpensive tires so we wouldn't be riding around on Metzelers. About 10 or 15 years ago there was a feature in the Sunday paper about the local Dunlop plant and its recent construction of a test track. A retired motorcycle road racer was hired as a tester. Something I thought about too late to bug the Dunlop people at the Wing Ding was, "why don't you open your plant to tours this weekend and let us ride on your track?" But if they don't make motorcycle tires there, then who cares? I bought Pirelli's for my car in April about a mile or two away from the Huntsville Dunlop plant. NTB only had my size (195/65HR14) in Pirelli and Yokohama. It was the day *after* (not before) purchasing the tires I wanted to see what Pirelli had to say about them. What a shock! To be greeted by a topless woman on the front page of a large corporation's web site, http://www.pirelli.com. This young lady was featured on their opening page in April, http://208.196.156.168/calendar/cal98/apr2.htm. ROTFL. Netscape 4.05 just core dumped her. Too hot to handle? :-O -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Speedometer accuracy? of "Mon, 06 Jul 1998 13:26:09 EDT." Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 21:06:55 -0500 Francois Saint Laurent writes: > Most vehicles, both car and motorcycle, do not have an accurate > speedometer. In most cases, the error is that the reading is higher than > actual speed. Indicated 75 mph may only be 72mph, for example, or even as > low as 65. The amount of error can vary widely. I have had cars that were > off by as much as 12%. Keep in mind that a worn tire can read higher than > a new tire, just on the difference in tread wear. Cars are much better in speedometer accuracy than motorcycles. For the past 25 years that I know of, motorcycle mags have usually listed speedometer error, and have not shamed the manufacturer's into correcting it. My 1993.5 Infiniti G20 is within 1 MPH of my Garmin GPS-12XL's reported speed. Its hard to say exactly as the GPS will sometimes differ by 3 MPH either way when I'm fairly certian car speed hasn't changed due to engine sounds. The G20 says my parent's house is only 510 miles away, my '86 VW Golf thought the same road was 550 miles. The GPS thought it was 2 miles further than the car. I'm impressed. One of the things on my To Do list is to carry the GPS with me on a ride and see how my PC speedometer and odometer agrees. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Speedometer accuracy? Date: Mon, 6 Jul 98 21:13:53 -0500 From: "Paul B. Atkins" To: , "pc 800 list" >A friend of mine hooked up one of those bike speedometer/trip computer >gauges to his ST1100. These units have a magnetic pickup and a small >magnet. The great thing about these units is that they need to be >calibrated to your tire size, based on the circumference of the tire, which >you measure yourself. I can't remember the actual numbers, but I remember >that his speedometer was not accurate, and that he was never going as fast >as he thought. I have one of these computers on my mountain bike. I think >if I can find the instructions that came with it, I may mount it to my >PC800 for a few weeks, just to compare. Francois, Id be interested in your bike speedo experiment....they also have some other spiffy features...avg speed, elapsed trip time, highest speed, etc...something cool to discuss while kicking tires, eh? Paul Paul B. Atkins 1996 Pacific Coast patkins@mari.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Speedometer accuracy? of "Mon, 06 Jul 1998 14:15:48 PDT." <002101bda924$6f05a680$651b98d0@rbowen> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 21:08:35 -0500 "Roger Bowen" writes: > When I was bring my new PC800 home from the dealer (about 70 miles away) the > person who ferried my car back swore he was going 70. I was following and > consistently indicating 75. I, some time ago, received a speeding ticket > (radar) and the radar agreed with my car speedometer. Historically motorcycle speedometers have always read 5 MPH fast at highway speeds. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m28.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DHH5FKM9; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 22:06:13 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:50:22 -0400 Subject: PC800: Speedometers & Vista Cruise From: swift24@juno.com (John D Louk) Greetings Coasters! Just my $0.02 worth: My Vista Cruise attached with minimal hassle on my '90 PC with one self tapping small screw into the plastic handlebar cover. Mounted it in '92; it's still there and working great! My GPS III satellite receiver has the most accurate speed (velocity over the ground) guage calibrated into the nearest one tenth mile per hour. It says at an indicated 75 mph, I'm actually doing 72.3 mph: 55 indicated equals 53.0 mph. (Dunlop K177s) (Yeah, just try and hold a steady speed like that!) Anywho, the Garmin GPS receiver updates at one second intervals and I'd bet my drivers license on its accuracy. It has guided me all over the place with superb backtracking capability and you cannot get lost as long as you know where you originally started from. FWIW, I mounted mine with the car dashtop accessory using velcro on top of the front brake reserve....no wind to blow it off, at least up to my peak velocity of 94.6mph enroute to the Hoot a few weeks ago. John Louk '90 PC "Ruby" _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Pat McNew cc: Honda Pacific Coast Group From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Speed Control of "Mon, 06 Jul 1998 20:35:32 EDT." <35A16D54.8EF5F61C@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 21:25:49 -0500 Pat McNew writes: > > --------------14722D32ED5B6729FF54269E Please disable your email client's Rich Text and/or HTML formatting. In Netscape Communicator: File: Preferences: Mail & Groups: Messages, unclick "By default, send rich text (HTML) messages." The above may be your current setting but bolding one work kicked it back on for that message. > I had the chance to ride some distance with my "wrist rest" this > weekend. I think it is the answer for me. I don't like the idea of > locking down my throttle in case of an emergency. I might have my hands > too full to turn the thing off or manually throttle back. That's not the safe way to use a throttle lock such as the Vista Cruise. Before riding you ajust its friction so it just holds the throttle open when applied. You can instantly close the throttle by twisting it closed with the same or less force than you would have been using to keep it open. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'Pat McNew'" Cc: "'PC800 List'" Subject: RE: PC800: Speed Control Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:29:02 -0400 To each his own, but I have to beg to differ on this one. At the Honda = Hoot, I bought and installed a "Throttle Rocker" which I think is the = same thing as a wrist rest. If not, then I guess I'm full of 'you know = what' once again. At any rate, I thought I liked the Throttle Rocker = until I got off the interstate and onto a twistie section. The throttle = rocker was constantly in my way when modulating the throttle and = reaching for the brake lever and on several occasions I found my self = with the throttle cracked open when I wanted it closed. I jerked if off = and threw it away - it was only $7 anyway. On the other hand, the = VistaCruise requires no thought on my part. On occasion, I've even = forgotten it was engaged and ridden through cities with it on. No = problem; I always close the throttle when decelerating rather than = depending on the return springs anyway. But then I've actually owned at = least one bike which didn't have throttle return springs.=20 Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Pat McNew [SMTP:pmcnew@bellsouth.net] Sent: Monday, July 06, 1998 8:36 PM To: Honda Pacific Coast Group Subject: PC800: Speed Control Coasters: I had the chance to ride some distance with my "wrist rest" this weekend. I think it is the answer for me. I don't like the idea of locking down my throttle in case of an emergency. I might have my hands too full to turn the thing off or manually throttle back. With the rest I adjust the angle of the dangle to hold my highway speed with my preferred wrist angle. My palm holds it open and I can relax my grip. The only problem with the commercial ones I have seen is they are made for cruiser grips and are too big for the PC. That, and the fact that I am thrifty, is why I made my own. Pat McNew 1996 PC800 3050 (S)miles << File: ATT00000.html >> =00=00 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:02:34 -0700 (PDT) From: John La Subject: PC800: exaust noise/rattle To: pclist There is a rattle which has been diagnosed by the dealer as coming from my muffler. It is really getting noisy if I downshift, or just back off the throttle from 4500 to 3500. It sounds like shaking pennies in a can. The muffler is otherwise quiet, and still looks good on the outside. As it was explained to me, the baffles inside the muffler are rusting away due to the fact that most of my riding consists of 3 mile trips on a cold engine. Questions: Has this happened to anyone else with less than 20,000 miles? (well, yes I know it is 9 years old...) Has anyone experimented with (or know of any) aftermarket exaust that will maintain the looks and (lack of) sound I'm used to on the PC? Am I totally crazy (or just really cheap) to think of stratigically placing sheetmetal screews through the muffler to try to secure the baffles from movement? Thanks in advance! John _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:17:32 -0400 To: Jim Randall , "'Pat McNew'" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: RE: PC800: Speed Control Cc: "'PC800 List'" At 10:29 PM -0400 7/6/98, Jim Randall wrote: >To each his own, but I have to beg to differ on this one. At the Honda >Hoot, I bought and installed a "Throttle Rocker" which I think is the same >thing as a wrist rest. If not, then I guess I'm full of 'you know what' >once again. At any rate, I thought I liked the Throttle Rocker until I got >off the interstate and onto a twistie section. The throttle rocker was >constantly in my way when modulating the throttle and reaching for the >brake lever and on several occasions I found my self with the throttle >cracked open when I wanted it closed. I jerked if off and threw it away - >it was only $7 anyway. Hi Jim. I have one of those throttle rockers as well. I know what you mean about it being in the wrong spot, but was yours tight on the grip? Mine can be rotated around the grip in the opposite direction, so I can adjust it to the proper location for everyday normal driving, and when I get to the twisties I just rotate it it up and over until it is out of the way. When I want to go back to it, I just rotate it some more around the grip until it comes back to the right position again. bye for now.... fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 00:21:55 -0400 From: Richard Stafford To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: A Hitch in it's Getalong! Got off work tonight and headed home. Out on I295, crossing the Enon Bridge over the James river what a beautiful sight. The weather was perfect and after a 12 hour shift I was enjoying the cool late evening ride when it happened. Started off like a surge or two, then everything just fine for a bit but it got my attention. C'mon ol girl you've never done this before. Kinda thought maybe just my imagination playing games on me ( I was tired honest! ). Then it started cutting out a bit and finally dying. 35 miles from home and I'm coasting to a stop. Bummer. Getting dark, feels like I ran outa gas. Check the gage, about a half tank, look in tank, can't see but shakes and slosh's so lotsa fuel, getting dark. Bummer. Lets see, ponder a few minutes, stare at the ole girl and can't get too upset cause for over 97,000 miles she's never left me stranded. Is she trying to tell me something now? Who knows, we've been thru lots together and this little glitch aint gonna cause bad feelings now. Getting darker, gotta think of something, Bummer. I'll check for spark, ah, gotta pull all this plastic off. Lets see, gotta have a screw driver to get the side covers off. Do I have a screwdriver? At one time there was a tool kit in the trunk, haven't paid any attention the last couple of years but I'll check. I think it's under the thermos, thats over the heavy shirt thats over the light jacket thats over the raingear. Nope, wrong side! Did I mention it's gettin dark, Bummer. Yep, things are looking up, that baby"s down on the bottom right where it's supposed to be. Things are starting to look a bit better. Now, pull side covers off, Pull spark plug off, ground plug to frame, turn key on and hit starter button and see nice blue spark, very strong, wish I could say that about the battery right now but it's the origonal and it aint gonna take a whole lotta grind'n. You get me outa this fix darlin' and I'll buy you a brand new one. Promise! Well it aint a spark problem must be gas, that plug does look awfull dry and don't smell much like gas. B'lieve I'll have to trace some gas hoses an see if this thing has a filter hidden somewhere or how the gas get's to the carbs. Take off plastic over air filter. I've got plastic laying all over the side of the road, kinda looks like I been wrecked or something. Still getting darker! Still a bummer! Follow a hose under the plastic around the fuel fill neck up to what looks like a vacuum petcock ( hmmm, is this the thing the list says makes stinky like raw gas )? Two hoses coming off each side of this going to the carbies, don't see no filter, darn! I pull these hoses off going to the carbs and they are bone dry, not a drop. No fuel! Darker, Bummer! What to do? I pull the hose off going to the tank and it's wet. Ahah, fuel is getting this far. Maybe it's plugged so I blow as hard as I can down in this hose and its like blowing into a brick wall. Boy am I getting tired. I stretch the hose after taking the plastic loose around fill neck, and get the end pointing into the gas tank and crank engine. Walla, fuel pumps, now were getting somewhere. Hook back to petcock and crank engine, nothing, hold fingers over outlets where carb hoses attach and crank, feel pressure then here comes the gas. Hook all hoses up and she fires up after several cranks. Great!!! Now plastic everywhere and I really don't want to shut this baby off. throw all that I can in the trunk, get sidecovers semi attached strap top cover to passenger seat and hit the road. Hold the speed down to 55 so not to use so much fuel. Seems to run as good as ever. Got me home tonight and still hasn't left me stranded. Love this thing! Aint got a clue to what I did to get her going, gotta work late next couple of days so will look into it then. Maybe this has happened to one of you and you can relay what you did. Or maybe baby just wanted me to promise her a new battery. She deserves it and wiil do, right after her 100,000 mile anniversary. You folks take care. Dick -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 21:39:10 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Greg Chambers Subject: RE: PC800: It had to happen sometime... .com> Todd - Congratulations on staying up! You're a very lucky, and skilled, rider. - Greg Chambers At 10:53 AM 7/6/98 -0700, todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com wrote: >She hit me hard enough to move me >laterally in my lane about 3 feet! (I stayed up.) My front crash bar >penetrated her front fender. I hate to think what might have happened >to my leg if those crash bars had not been there. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 22:58:33 -0700 From: Alan Taylor To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Speedometer accuracy? > Fellow PC'ers: > > On a recent trip I wondered about the accuracy of my speedometer. > Checked it against my car's speedometer. What I found was about a 7 mph > difference. The PC shows I'm doing 80 when my Taurus says I'm doing > about 72-73. (Of course, now I want to check my car's accuracy.) > > Anyone notice this kind of inaccuracy? Periodically on SCPCRC rides we compare our speedo readings by radio while riding, and have noticed a 5mph difference from one bike to another. So even within the PC ranks the speedos are less than accurate. > Alan Taylor 95 PC800 "Midnight" Long beach, CA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: Speedometer accuracy Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:37:38 +0200 > Thanks for the feedback on speedometer accuracy. As I read the replies I > remembered I had checked my speed by the mile markers but had never > calculated it out. At 80mph on the speedo, I did a mile in 48 sec. > That'll get me a true 75mph. I'll confirm this next time I'm out and > about. > I dug out my PC800 test reports again. They also measured true groundspeed, this is what they found ; Indicated speed: True Speed: 50 km/h or 31 mph 48 km/h or 30 mph 80 km/h or 50 mph 80 km/h or 50 mph 100 km/h or 63 mph 99 km/h or 62 mph 120 km/h or 75 mph 117 km/h or 73 mph I've seen worse comparisons on cars. Emile Nossin '90 PC800 " The Flying Dutchman " Santpoort, Holland Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "James Ritson" , Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 power figures Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:53:26 +0200 > Hi , > I just found your website. I have owned a '89 PC800 since 1991, yet I have > never seen a figure quoted for the engine power. I assume it must be in the > 55-60 BHP area, but can anyone tell me what the official figure is? > Thanks > James Ritson Hi james, dynojet graphic on next page :http://www.dsv.nl/~pce/mod-torque-hp.htm Si ulator, Emile Nossin '90 PC800 " The Flying Dutchman " Santpoort, Holland Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Torill Janne Knutsen" To: Subject: PC800: Trunk size? Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:59:23 +0200 When i am going to Germany and will pick up my 2 1989 PC`s I need 4 bags that will fit in the trunk. Can someone please supply me with the max. dimensions the bags can be, in cm. please? Regards Arvid, Norway -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 06:21:00 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Speedometer accuracy? Silly question, but I assume the tacks. on the PC are fairly accurate. If I am running standard OME size tires and my tack. reads 5,500 rpm, it would seem to me I am going fairly close to 75 mph? In fact couldn't the accuracy of the speedometer be correlated with its relationship to the register rpms? Bernie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by smtp.uscom.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1998 06:39:28 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 09:38:09 -0400 From: "Carl E. Luft" To: "PC800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: Speedometer accuracy? BernieK469@aol.com wrote: > > Silly question, but I assume the tacks. on the PC are fairly accurate. If I > am running standard OME size tires and my tack. reads 5,500 rpm, it would seem > to me I am going fairly close to 75 mph? In fact couldn't the accuracy of the > speedometer be correlated with its relationship to the register rpms? > > Bernie On the way to the honda hoot, my PC's speedinmeter showed 67MPH while the GPS mounted on the dash showed 65. The same error showed at 40MPH. The odometer was 6 tenths off at 100 miles Carl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:08:18 -0400 To: "Torill Janne Knutsen" , From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Trunk size? At 11:59 AM +0200 7/7/98, Torill Janne Knutsen wrote: >When i am going to Germany and will pick up my 2 1989 PC`s I need 4 bags >that will fit in the trunk. >Can someone please supply me with the max. dimensions the bags can be, in >cm. please? >Regards > >Arvid, >Norway > Hello Arvid. I have the Hondaline Trunk liners, that come from Honda. The bags are soft material, and have an irregular shape. Each bag is 31cm high and 47cm long. The width of the bag varies. It is 10 cm wide at the ends, and it is 23cm wide in the middle. I should mention that even with these bags full, it is still possible to pack a few more items in the trunk. I usually travel with these two bags full, and also have a toolkit, a roadside kit (flares, duct tape, bungee cords, cable lock, test meter, jumper cables, etc.), an extra shield for my helmet, a cell phone and charger, rain pants and rain boots, etc. Didn't one of the PC's you buy have a trailer? That should provide more than enough storage. If you don't have one, buy a bungee net. This is a small net, about 30cm x 75cm that is made out of bungee cord, and has about 6 hooks on it. You can strap oddly shaped objects to the seat. I remember you mentioning that it had been a few years since you had actually seen a PC. If you would like a picture of the inside of the trunk, let me know and I will email one to you, or post it on a web page where you can see it. bye for now... fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:15:46 -0400 To: BernieK469@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Speedometer accuracy? At 6:21 AM -0400 7/7/98, BernieK469@aol.com wrote: >Silly question, but I assume the tacks. on the PC are fairly accurate. If I >am running standard OME size tires and my tack. reads 5,500 rpm, it would seem >to me I am going fairly close to 75 mph? In fact couldn't the accuracy of the >speedometer be correlated with its relationship to the register rpms? > >Bernie Good point Bernie. I imagine the tachs are pretty accurate. Based on this information, it is possible to calculate the actual ground speed, as long as you know the gear ratios, final drive ratio, tire circumference, etc. I used to have this formula hanging around somewhere, but I don't remember where it is at the moment. Your message made me curious about something. On my PC, when I am going 75mph the engine turns at 5,000 rpm. I am going to take a better look at this next time I ride, I may be wrong. I'll let you know. ride safe.... fsl >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:35:27 EDT To: fsl@borgconsulting.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: PC800: Speedometer accuracy? You are correct, it is 75 mph at 5,000 rpm Bernie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bob Broeking" To: Subject: PC800: Pentagon PC's Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:30:09 -0500 With my move from St Louis to Springfield VA complete I checked out the motorcycle parking areas last week at the Pentagon and saw two white PC's (circa 89?) They were parked under the POAC. One had 70K on it and one had 39K. Is there anyone on the PC list that owns either of these and commutes to the Pentagon? I was looking for tips. Bob -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bednarski, Bruce R (CAP, RFS)" To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: PC800: Might have to sell! Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:06:33 -0400 I am putting my PC on this board first to see if any list members are interested or know anyone looking for one (like to keep it in the family so to speak) Now some specifics about the bike: 1989 Pearl White PC 800. The Bike is in pristine condition!!! It has the tall Hondaline windshield, a Corbin seat/w white piping and optional passenger backrest, Hondaline trunk bags/liners, a shop manual, a cover and brand new Metzler ML2s, front and rear. (new compound). Price: $3900. Will include a new Pearl White HJC Full face helmet. Bike runs like a dream and is Mechanically and Aesthetically flawless. I can be contacted in Atlanta, GA at 770-730-8677 or by Email at Bruce.bednarski@GECapital.com. Thank You, g ____ GE Capital/RFS Bruce Bednarski Risk Leadership Program PH: 770-522-5045,8*590-5045 FX: 770-353-2444 Email: BRUCE.BEDNARSKI@GECAPITAL.COM -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: christopher_diamond@studio.disney.com Date: Mon, 06 Jul 98 14:19:31 -0800 To: Subject: Re[2]: PC800: Speedometer accuracy? Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" Another good way to test the accuracy of your speedometer would be to use a GPS. I would think that because it measures the actual distance you travel and then calculates the speed against the time it takes it would be the best way to test. -cd ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Speedometer accuracy? Author: Francois Saint Laurent at FILM-INTERNET8-BURBANK Date: 7/6/98 1:26 PM At 11:37 AM -0500 7/6/98, Mike Nichols wrote: >Fellow PC'ers: > >On a recent trip I wondered about the accuracy of my speedometer. >Checked it against my car's speedometer. What I found was about a 7 mph >difference. The PC shows I'm doing 80 when my Taurus says I'm doing >about 72-73. (Of course, now I want to check my car's accuracy.) > >Anyone notice this kind of inaccuracy? > >Mike Nichols Hello Mike. Most vehicles, both car and motorcycle, do not have an accurate speedometer. In most cases, the error is that the reading is higher than actual speed. Indicated 75 mph may only be 72mph, for example, or even as low as 65. The amount of error can vary widely. I have had cars that were off by as much as 12%. Keep in mind that a worn tire can read higher than a new tire, just on the difference in tread wear. A friend of mine hooked up one of those bike speedometer/trip computer gauges to his ST1100. These units have a magnetic pickup and a small magnet. The great thing about these units is that they need to be calibrated to your tire size, based on the circumference of the tire, which you measure yourself. I can't remember the actual numbers, but I remember that his speedometer was not accurate, and that he was never going as fast as he thought. I have one of these computers on my mountain bike. I think if I can find the instructions that came with it, I may mount it to my PC800 for a few weeks, just to compare. As a side note on the negative effects of this, a neighbour of mine, about 20 years ago, had one of those Dodge pickups, called "L'il Red Express". After months of horrible gas mileage, he had the dealer change the gear in the differential, which would reduce performance but increase mpg's. The dealer neglected to change the speedometer gear located on the back end of the transmission. On his first drive down the highway, at an indicated 60mph, he got pulled over for speeding. 82 in a 55. I have heard of some list members trying other tires for the PC800, in sizes that were close to, but not the same as, original. I would be curious to know which of these tires increased the discrepency, and which ones helped make the speedometer more accurate. Just my thoughts....your actual mileage may vary.... fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by solar1.soc.mil (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA12388 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:19:44 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Chiodini, Charles SGM" To: "'Honda PC800 list'" Subject: PC800: 4th of July wrench wesults Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:17:44 -0400 Hello listers! I decided to play it safe this holiday weekend and stayed at home to work on my scooter. Most of these ideas came from this list and I hope some of my modifications might contribute to this vast base of knowledge. I started by removing all plastic forward of the trunk. A fairly straightforward procedure, especially if you have the service manual. A word of warning, make sure the turn signal wiring harness is correctly routed before you put the front fairing back on or you'll have to remove the entire fairing to get those "wascally wires" to exit their proper holes. (of course you'll find this out as you're replacing the last pieces to go on, the turn signals!) Why Honda decided to use plastic tabs instead of metal hardware to attach body panels is a mystery to me. It looks smooth and slick and probably functions OK for the first few times the factory trained wrench does it, but the tabs can't be designed for longevity or the owner who does his/her own maintenance. Anyway, here's what I accomplished and hope it stimulates some more ideas/techniques from this PC crowd: 1. While replacing my fork seals I added Bel-Ray 15wt fork oil in addition to tightening up the top bushing clearances by peening around the top edge. The positive change in handling is dramatic. No more unexpected bounces and wobbles when burning through a bumpy corner. And "hands off" headshake has disappeared. Now if I can only fix the poor excuse for shocks on the rear end. Does Koni make a set that now fits our bike (without extensive bushing modifications) and does anybody have the part number/place to order? 2. Frustrated that the St1100 headlight cover doesn't fit the PC, I made my own. Took a flat "comp" helmet shield, cut it to size with scissors, added a few white Velcro dots and shazam!! I made my first prototype out of an amber tinted shield so the clear one would come out perfect. The amber one matches the front turn signal lenses and looks so "bitchen" that I haven't used the clear one yet. No problem with night illumination either. Worried that the semi-flexibe shield material might not completely protect my headlight, I velcroed a scrap piece over an old car headlight and fired a pellet at it from 15 yards?..works great!=20 3. Added a pair of air-horns. The compressor bolted nicely to the sheet metal "wind-screen" located just outboard of the left fork leg. Stock horn wires reached the compressor and the air tubing had a short route to the trumpets. Had to remove all the front plastic to access the site but was going to do that anyway to service the forks and out of sheer curiosity. The trumpets tucked neatly one in each side of the front fairing (opening angled down) and are secured but tie-ties to the frame rails aft of the headlight. Results are a totally hidden system that really gets your attention when ya hit the horn button. Had the opportunity to use it to discourage a dog who likes to chase two wheeled vehicles. Almost fell off my scooter laughing at how fast the little cuss changed his tune and took off running away from me! I'm certain the " brain-dead motorist" test will soon be conducted. 4. Made a "radiator protector screen" out of a scrap of window screen that I laced onto the outside of the stock metal mesh protector with black nylon thread. I cut the screen with an extra =BD" all around to allow me to fold the screen over and use double thickness for the attaching edges. Now bugs can't get stuck in my radiator fins and I imagine the screen will keep pieces of gravel and what have you out as well. Looks really cool too! 5. Added a pair of Hyper-lights just outboard of my license plate. Installation was a snap and they function as advertised. The guys I usually ride with complain that they are distracting so I guess that means they grab your attention from behind. I'm not satisfied with the brightness and will work on my original plan of adapting a super bright strobe inside the "dead lens" area in the future. Bowing to my friend's complaints, I added a toggle switch so I can turn off the hyper-lights while running the twisties, it was either that or stop using the brakes altogether. 6. Decided to follow some of fellow lister's suggestions and cut 4 =BD" from my stock 89 shield to make a "summer sport" windshield. Was too lazy to sand and buff the edges out so I hid it using some car door protector edging. The result looks very professionally finished and matches the dashboard. Tried to tint the shield with the dark film but couldn't get it smooth on the inside curves. My head is now in free clean air and no helmet buffet either! It sure makes the bike look more "sporty" but I have to admit, the Rifle has spoiled me with smooth quietness, its just too hot here in North Carolina to ride without wind right now. Enjoy the ride!=20 Chuck Chiodini "Ride to wrench, wrench to ride" 89 PC "Scooter" "Who doesn't beak enough for my owner" PS. Anyone in North Carolina or Arkansas have a "starter bike" (under 250cc) for sale for my 15 year old daughter? =20 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@kpt1.tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:44:19 -0400 (EDT) From: James R Randall To: Francois Saint Laurent cc: "'Pat McNew'" , "'PC800 List'" Subject: RE: PC800: Speed Control Yes, mine was installed so that it would rotate up but was secure on the throttle grip when rotated down. No matter where I put it it would either contact the my palm or the front brake lever at some point. I have large hands and there's no way I can hold the grip without touching it. Maybe for someone with smaller hands this would work OK. My wife seems to like hers although she commented also that she tended to open the throttle when reaching for the brake. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Francois Saint Laurent wrote: > At 10:29 PM -0400 7/6/98, Jim Randall wrote: > >To each his own, but I have to beg to differ on this one. At the Honda > >Hoot, I bought and installed a "Throttle Rocker" which I think is the same > >thing as a wrist rest. If not, then I guess I'm full of 'you know what' > >once again. At any rate, I thought I liked the Throttle Rocker until I got > >off the interstate and onto a twistie section. The throttle rocker was > >constantly in my way when modulating the throttle and reaching for the > >brake lever and on several occasions I found my self with the throttle > >cracked open when I wanted it closed. I jerked if off and threw it away - > >it was only $7 anyway. > > > Hi Jim. > > I have one of those throttle rockers as well. I know what you mean about > it being in the wrong spot, but was yours tight on the grip? Mine can be > rotated around the grip in the opposite direction, so I can adjust it to > the proper location for everyday normal driving, and when I get to the > twisties I just rotate it it up and over until it is out of the way. > When I want to go back to it, I just rotate it some more around the grip > until it comes back to the right position again. > > > > bye for now.... > > fsl > > (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) > > Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 > Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda > > HSTA Member Number 7470 > > (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ernie.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA16925; Tue, 07 Jul 1998 10:28:59 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: gpchambers@earthlink.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: It had to happen sometime... Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:30:46 -0700 Greg: Thanks for the kind words, but I think this is one of the easiest accidents to ride out of (as long as the rider remains on the bike and doesn't go rolling across the hood of the car!). Mainly it surprised me because she punched the gas and swerved so quickly. But because she hit my bike almost perfectly broadside (the front slightly sooner/harder), the forces were very even and just rearranged my position on the road -- in a very abrupt manner. Both she and I were quite surprised! I was amazed at how hard she hit me. She knocked a 600 lb. motorcycle halfway across the lane before I could blink! (My legs were sore for many days from holding on.) I rode horses (much more dangerous than bikes) prior to riding motorcycles, and I learned the habit of holding on with my legs, not my hands. (On horseback the reins are fairly useless for holding on. I often rode bareback with just a clothes line around the horses nose.) I think the habit of holding on with my legs has served me well in my more exciting motorcycle moments as it frees up my hands for steering. I prefer to drive the bike right into the ground if necessary rather than give up trying to drive out of a pucker situation. After she whacked me, I was still going the same direction I had been (mostly), and at approximately the same speed. The lateral forces dissipated quickly after I was pushed/bounced off of her car, and the artificially induced lean angle wasn't too severe to drive out of. I think most riders could have done this. I believe my experience helped immediately AFTER the accident in that I didn't get upset or mad or anything (some of that is genetic). That helped me to be very calm and to calm her down. (She was beside herself.) My sweet wife prays for my protection on the road since I commute through less than hospitable traffic during rush hour every day. Either God is honoring her prayers, or I have been extremely lucky for the past 13 years. Perhaps both. Todd Vierheller '96 BMW R1100RT, "Rain Dancer" '96 Pacific Coast, Killed in Action > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Chambers [SMTP:gpchambers@earthlink.net] > Todd - > Congratulations on staying up! You're a very lucky, and skilled, > rider. - > Greg Chambers > > At 10:53 AM 7/6/98 -0700, todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com wrote: > > >She hit me hard enough to move me > >laterally in my lane about 3 feet! (I stayed up.) My front crash > bar > >penetrated her front fender. I hate to think what might have > happened > >to my leg if those crash bars had not been there. > > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'John La'" , pclist Subject: RE: PC800: exaust noise/rattle Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:49:59 -0400 I had the mufflers replaced on both my '90 PC's for that same reason. The first was around 50K and the second at 65K. Luckily both were within the three year warranty period. Roger > -----Original Message----- > From: John La [SMTP:johnla@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 12:03 AM > To: pclist > Subject: PC800: exaust noise/rattle > > There is a rattle which has been diagnosed by the dealer as coming > from my muffler. It is really getting noisy if I downshift, or just > back off the throttle from 4500 to 3500. It sounds like shaking > pennies in a can. The muffler is otherwise quiet, and still looks > good on the outside. > > As it was explained to me, the baffles inside the muffler are rusting > away due to the fact that most of my riding consists of 3 mile trips > on a cold engine. > > Questions: > > Has this happened to anyone else with less than 20,000 miles? (well, > yes I know it is 9 years old...) > > Has anyone experimented with (or know of any) aftermarket exaust that > will maintain the looks and (lack of) sound I'm used to on the PC? > > Am I totally crazy (or just really cheap) to think of stratigically > placing sheetmetal screews through the muffler to try to secure the > baffles from movement? > > Thanks in advance! > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:03:32 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Gregg L. DesElms" To: Subject: PC800: A Blank Subject Line Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:02:38 -0400 Ladies and gentlemen, please... Always remember to type something into the "Subj:" (or "RE:" or "Subject:" or equivalent) field in all of your outgoing e-mail postings to the PC800 server. (Frankly, in the interest of good netiquette, we should all be doing it in *ALL* of our e-mail, for that matter). If you leave that field blank, and if your e-mail software is working as it should, it is probably reminding you, when you click on your "Send" button, that you've left it blank. Many of us get so much e-mail that the only way we can keep up is by programming our e-mail software to sort it for us into folders. I sort my incoming PC800 stuff using the "PC800:" character string in the "Subj:" field. But because of the way the PC800 server is programmed, blank "Subj:" fields sometimes cause messages to get bounced out to the group with no "PC800:" character string in that field. Hence, if your message contains nothing in the "Subj:" field, it ends-up (at least on *my* machine) in a folder where I don't necessarily notice it until sometime later. I enjoy all of your postings and I'd like to read them as the are sent, not a few days later when I happen upon them in the wrong message folder. So, please... be sure to type something into the "Subj:" field in all your e-mail messages. Thanks, everyone!!! Gregg L. DesElms deselms@royal.net '89 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:09:38 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Gregg L. DesElms" To: "Brian Hopkins" , "PC 800 List (E-mail)" Subject: PC800: Re: Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:08:45 -0400 What in the hell are you talking about? Obviously, if one is willing to dig down into your signature (or if one reads your message carefully ans spots the reference to the throttle in the second paragraph) one can figure out that you're talking about a throttle lock. But that's asking busy list subscribers to work too hard. PLASE USE THE "SUBJ:" (or "RE:") FIELD!!!! Thanks. Gregg DesElms deselms@ -----Original Message Reply Separator ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Brian Hopkins To: PC 800 List (E-mail) Date: Monday, July 06, 1998 9:13 PM ARGHHHHH!!!! Ok, I've put this on my VFR, so I know how to do this. But this one isn't working. I put on the friction doodad, put on two washers and two shims and put between the spacer. I crank it down. It's short of the friction ring and it doesn't turn. (you cannot turn the cylinder without loosening the bolt). Ok, so I take out washers and shims and etc. Still the same thing. I take out all of the washers and shims except for the spacer itself. Turn the bolt down, you can still turn the throttle, (just barely) and you still can't turn the cylinder. What's wrong? I think I got sent the wrong spacer. Thoughts??? Help??? Brian D. Hopkins Bhopkins@systest.com Denver, Colorado '96 VFR '97 PC800 (that apparently does NOT want a throttle lock on it) > There are two kinds of pedestrians... the quick and the dead. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 17:34:49 -0700 From: Phil Lewis To: Torrnado@aol.com CC: Pacific Coasters Subject: PC800: Re: 1996 PC800 For Sale Torrnado@aol.com wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I'm selling my PC800 for a less expensive bike (one that I can pay cash for!). > If you or anyone you know is interested in giving it a good home, these are > the stats: > > 1996 Honda PC800, red, flawless condition, Hondaline backrest, bra, trunk > bags, cover, throttle lock, 8,200 (mostly highway) pampered miles. All > oil/filter changes and transfer case oil changes every 2,500 miles. $6,150 > obo. 310.652.0131 or 659.6314. Hi Torr! Sorry to hear that your selling your nearly new PC. I hope you'll still try and ride with our group once in a while. I, for one, miss your little four-footed riding companions! :) Take care, Phil -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Donald R. Hamilton" To: "pc800 list" Subject: PC800: miscellaneous stuff... Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:07:28 -0400 hey troops... gosh...this list is so great! it never fails to amaze me. so much good info! i just got back from having the initial svc done on my '98 pc at 750 miles. so now it has nice clean oil and i don't have to coddle it anymore, right? redline here i come... to chuck chiodini...i really enjoyed reading about all the work you did over the wkend. there are definitely some air horns in my bike's future. once i have my earplugs in even i can hardly hear the stock horn. but i'm rather challenged when it comes to mechanical stuff, chuck. how bout if i just stop by some wkend, maybe bring along a six pack of your favorite brew, and we can swap lies while i watch you do the installation on my bike? i'm fascinated by all this talk about gps receivers. i'm gonna be doing some heavy-duty touring soon...do i need one of these gizmos? what do they do besides calculate my actual speed? (i already have a tankbag full of maps.) are they really available in the $100 to $150 range? hey...i'm a sucker for any new electronic gadget...but somehow i've managed to remain pretty ignorant of these gps things! all for now. ride safe! don... -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:34:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Garbacik To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: '89 with spoiler? Hi all- Was standing out in the parking lot of one of my buildings right about noon talking toilets with my plumber when an '89 with a spoiler went by (going North on 35th street). As far as I knew, I had the only '89 in town. Anybody know who that might be? Just curious! Thanks- Tom Garbacik VOX 1 541 750-8708 Facilities Manager FAX 1 541 750-8709 USDA-ARS CEL 1 541 740-7928 3320 NW Orchard garbacit@ucs.orst.edu Corvallis, Oregon 97330 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:39:57 -0500 (CDT) From: David Kelly To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, vfrlvr@iwaynet.net Subject: Re: PC800: miscellaneous stuff... > i'm fascinated by all this talk about gps receivers. i'm gonna be doing > some heavy-duty touring soon...do i need one of these gizmos? what do they > do besides calculate my actual speed? (i already have a tankbag full of > maps.) are they really available in the $100 to $150 range? hey...i'm a > sucker for any new electronic gadget...but somehow i've managed to remain > pretty ignorant of these gps things! You *need* one for your daily commute to work, IMHO. Heck of a lot of fun. Whatcha can do is enter the coordinates of someplace (presumably somebody already there has a GPS to get these coordinates) then you tell the GPS to go there and it will point the way and continually tell you how far away you are. It will get you within a couple 100 feet. When if "selective availability" (deliberate error) is turned off then 50' is the basic rated accuracy of most units. Once you have been somewhere it can be marked in the GPS memory. The more expensive units have more memory. And that memory can be partitioned for other purposes. Believe my Garmin GPS 12XL can hold 1000 waypoints. Speaking of other purposes for memory, the GPS can record your track. Then provide instructions for backtracking over the same path. There is a limit (memory) to the tracking function so if you are going cross country you can enter waypoints manually then link the waypoints into a route for future use. Road changes and resturants are good choices for waypoints. Didn't mention my favorite part: the tracking function can display a map of your travels. Oldest travel falls off the list due to memory limits. I usually chose a 1 mile radius for my map and get a kick out of seeing multiple passes on the same roads, or when I approach a road from a different direction. And to see the entrance/exit ramp cloverleafs I've travelled. Paid $240 over a year ago for my Garmin GPS-12XL. The GPS-II Plus is a newer unit with essentially the same guts but in a better package for mobile use. The 12XL is best suited for hiking. Have seen Garmin GPS-12 (not 12XL) for sale in large department stores for around $150. Not exactly sure how a 12 differs from a 12XL but suspect some feature has been deleted. Garmin GPS-45XL is a much older model that doesn't have as good a receiver as the GPS 12XL. The 45 will track 8 satellites but has to track one at a time, then tune the next, ... while the 12XL can track 12 at once all at the same time. Both units automatically do the satellite tracking and selection. The Garmin GPS-III is in the GPS-II Plus package but adds street maps and a very nice greyscale LCD display. $300 to $400, haven't looked lately. Essential accessories: power cable. The GPS-12XL eats (4) AA batteries in 4 to 6 hours. For automotive use an external antenna is needed. I use the "Lowe" antenna, about $70, plus $10 for an adapter needed for the 12XL but not for the 45 or II or III. The 45, II, and III, have a removable antenna which can be placed in the window of your car. My Lowe antenna is mag mount and after using it several times outside the car I placed it on the rear shelf speaker grill (magnetic) where it worked perfectly, and hasn't been moved since. There are PC and Mac software packages for GPS. Allows you to upload/download waypoints and routes. Allows you to set your computer clock off the perfectly accurate GPS system. Hey, forgot about that, if you have a GPS you don't need another clock. Do I have to mention for motorcylce use you'll need some way to mount it? Others report velcro works well. Saw several at the Wing Ding mount GPS's on various cellphone brackets. '98 PC800W -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net (hm) ====================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 11:41:07 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC800: Speedometer accuracy? Using a GPS At 16:03 7/6/98 -0400, you wrote: >A mountain bike computer with a magnetic sensor? I didn't think those >things went that fast. Why not just use a decent GPS? $99 for a GPS >($149 for a better one) and as My Cousin Vinny puts it, "dead on >balls"... I am a relative newbie to this GPS thing, but here it goes: I understand that the "civilian" version of the GPS has a built-in error factor of about 300 ft. Is this correct? Would this affect speed measurments as well? In my recent trip to Vancouver-Seattle-Portland, on occasion it placed me (with 9 to 10 satellites locked on) several tens of feet underwater when I checked my altitude. Maybe those who are pilots can expand on this "feature" I suspect this would not be good when attempting to land a plane with instruments only, eh? FWIW. Juan "...the secret of realizing the greatest fruitfulness and the greatest enjoyment of existence is: to live dangerously!" -Friedrich Nietzsche --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '91 Suzuki VX800 University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 07 Jul 1998 16:30:35 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 16:30:27 -0400 From: "J. MARK VENABLE" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Speedometer accuracy? Using a GPS Juan wrote >I am a relative newbie to this GPS thing, but here it goes: I understand >that the "civilian" version of the GPS has a built-in error factor of about >300 ft. Is this correct? Would this affect speed measurments as well? In my >recent trip to Vancouver-Seattle-Portland, on occasion it placed me (with 9 >to 10 satellites locked on) several tens of feet underwater when I checked >my altitude. >Maybe those who are pilots can expand on this "feature" I suspect this >would not be good when attempting to land a plane with instruments only, >eh? FWIW. I don't know if the error affects speed. Since speed is a time derivative of position calculated many times, the errors should cancel if they are really random. Even with errors on the order of +/- a few hundred feet, the speed error should be small when measured of several miles. As far as landing planes go there is an animal called differential gps. A stationary gps at the airport compares the satellite signal with its known location to measure the error. This is then transmitted to the airplane which uses it to correct its own gps position. Accuracy on the order of +/- 1 meter is supposed to be possible. This will truly allow instrument landings. Another potential fun thing is call APRS which interfaces the gps with amateur radio to accurately communicate your location to anyone that is monitoring. Locally we have used 3 gps/aprs systems (one mounted on a bicycle) to track marathon races. The race officials could continuously monitor the location of the race leader, the middle of the pack, and tail end charlie. wonderful stuff Mark Venable '90 PC800 "This End Up" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 17:06:54 +0000 From: Bill Snead To: John La CC: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: exaust noise/rattle John La wrote: > > There is a rattle which has been diagnosed by the dealer as coming > from my muffler. It is really getting noisy if I downshift, or just > back off the throttle from 4500 to 3500. It sounds like shaking > pennies in a can. The muffler is otherwise quiet, and still looks > good on the outside. > John, grab hold of the chrome Fake muffler on right side of bike and wiggle it. If it's loose, this is the culprit. Mine loosened up on me at 1,600 miles. I fixed it by putting another washer under the bolt (it's shouldered, and for some reason the shouldered distance wasnt enough to tighten the chrome peice down) -- Peace and All Good, Bill -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:02:57 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Betty Lise Anderson Subject: PC800: roll bars? crash bars? What the...? HI, I have an opportunity to join the elite and own a PC. There is a guy in town who has one to sell, but he says it fell in the driveway and needs a new mirror and "roll bar covers." I haven't seen the bike yet, and since I can't go out in my garage and look at one (...yet...sigh), what the heck are those? I called two honda places to ask what they would cost to replace, and they have no idea what I'm talking about. They are not necessarily the sharpest tacks but one guy said "it must be the engine guard." I said it's whatever the bike would hit when it fell over, but he was no help. So what are these called? Betty Lise Anderson Department of Electrical Engineering, The Ohio State University anderson@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu http://everest.eng.ohio-state.edu/~anderson/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 19:18:38 +0000 From: Bill Snead To: Betty Lise Anderson CC: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: roll bars? crash bars? What the...? Betty Lise Anderson wrote: > I have an opportunity to join the elite and own a PC. There is a guy in > town who has one to sell, but he says it fell in the driveway and needs a > new mirror and "roll bar covers." I haven't seen the bike yet, and since I > can't go out in my garage and look at one (...yet...sigh), what the heck > are those? I called two honda places to ask what they would cost to > replace, and they have no idea what I'm talking about. They are not > necessarily the sharpest tacks but one guy said "it must be the engine > guard." I said it's whatever the bike would hit when it fell over, but he > was no help. So what are these called? Hi Betty, these are usually referred to as the front crash bars. They're hidden underneath wing-like covers on the left and right lowers of the bike. Last I checked on replacing a crash bar cover, it was about $125. The mirror is replacable too, tho if the glass isn't cracked, it might have just popped off. They are designed to do that. I don't know what mirrors run $. When checking on ordering this stuff, ask about color matching it to the bike. No help with dealers, tho. Most are brain dead. I had mine try to send me to the Kawasaki dealer "'cause that's who makes them, not honda" ..sheesh. Here's some info from the PC page about crash bar covers and mirrors: P/N Description S.R. Local E.C. C.A 88115-MR5-013ZE Right-hand mirror housing 86.90 75.73 63.15 88125-MR5-013ZE Left-hand mirror housing 86.90 63.15 64215-MR5-000ZE Front left crash bar cover 47.70 34.69 68.77 64205-MR5-000ZE Front right crash bar cover 47.70 34.69 81414-MR5-000ZE Rear left crash bar cover 44.35 31.57 81214-MR5-000ZE Rear right crash bar cover 44.35 31.57 25.00 -- Peace and All Good, Bill -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 19:36:45 -0400 From: Jeff Leech To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Speedometer accuracy? Using a GPS I also have a question about using GPS to measure distance. If using a GPS unit to measure distance, in order to measure correctly, it would need to measure in 3 dimensions to properly measure the distance traveled. I thought that GPS units only measured distance in 2-D, so therefore would work well for "on water" or airborn use, but would not be as accurate for distance measurement for land use with any altitude changes. Just curious, Jeff Leech '94 PC-800 Centerville, OH -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'Bill Snead'" , John La Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: exaust noise/rattle Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:14:02 -0400 Bill, that's because a grommet was missing or damaged. Those shoulder bolts go through a grommet. Roger > John La wrote: > > > > There is a rattle which has been diagnosed by the dealer as coming > > from my muffler. It is really getting noisy if I downshift, or just > > back off the throttle from 4500 to 3500. It sounds like shaking > > pennies in a can. The muffler is otherwise quiet, and still looks > > good on the outside. > > > > John, grab hold of the chrome Fake muffler on right side of bike and wiggle > it. If it's loose, this is the culprit. Mine loosened up on me at 1,600 miles. > I fixed it by putting another washer under the bolt (it's shouldered, and for > some reason the shouldered distance wasnt enough to tighten the chrome peice down) > -- > Peace and All Good, Bill > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 20:48:04 +0000 From: Bill Snead To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: exaust noise/rattle Prince, Roger wrote: > > Bill, that's because a grommet was missing or damaged. Those shoulder bolts go through a grommet. Yea, I know. The grommeted shoulder bolt still doesn't take up the slack. Saw assembly of a '98 today (friends new bike) and they couldn't get it torqed down either. May be a mis-engineered part from time to time, I dunno. -- Peace and All Good, Bill -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: christopher_diamond@studio.disney.com Date: Tue, 07 Jul 98 17:39:41 -0800 To: Subject: Re[2]: PC800: Speedometer accuracy? Using a GPS Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" If a GPS can obtain signals from at least 4 satellites (most will track up to 12) it can measure altitude as well. And since it calculates you speed every few seconds at would be accurate (unless you're going up a mighty steep incline). -cd ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Speedometer accuracy? Using a GPS Author: Jeff Leech at FILM-INTERNET8-BURBANK Date: 7/7/98 7:36 PM I also have a question about using GPS to measure distance. If using a GPS unit to measure distance, in order to measure correctly, it would need to measure in 3 dimensions to properly measure the distance traveled. I thought that GPS units only measured distance in 2-D, so therefore would work well for "on water" or airborn use, but would not be as accurate for distance measurement for land use with any altitude changes. Just curious, Jeff Leech '94 PC-800 Centerville, OH -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with SMTP id 322; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 21:14:49 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Douglas Ford" To: , Subject: RE: PC800: It had to happen sometime... Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 21:16:24 -0400 Importance: Normal I am glad nobody was hurt. That would have been horrible. I might have missed it earlier, but was this a "hit-and-run" type of accident, or did you guys stop and call the police? Was anything done in the way of "correcting" the person at fault (citation issued)? Really, I'm glad you weren't hurt, but this lady deserves a severe ticket! She could have killed you! Sounds like she might be one of those "aggressive drivers"....very dangerous people. Doug Ford '97 PC800 - 4400mi > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of > todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 1:31 PM > To: gpchambers@earthlink.net; pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: RE: PC800: It had to happen sometime... > > > Greg: > > Thanks for the kind words, but I think this is one of the easiest > accidents to ride out of (as long as the rider remains on the bike and > doesn't go rolling across the hood of the car!). Mainly it surprised > me because she punched the gas and swerved so quickly. But because she > hit my bike almost perfectly broadside (the front slightly > sooner/harder), the forces were very even and just rearranged my > position on the road -- in a very abrupt manner. Both she and I were > quite surprised! I was amazed at how hard she hit me. She knocked a > 600 lb. motorcycle halfway across the lane before I could blink! (My > legs were sore for many days from holding on.) > > I rode horses (much more dangerous than bikes) prior to riding > motorcycles, and I learned the habit of holding on with my legs, not my > hands. (On horseback the reins are fairly useless for holding on. I > often rode bareback with just a clothes line around the horses nose.) > I think the habit of holding on with my legs has served me well in my > more exciting motorcycle moments as it frees up my hands for steering. > I prefer to drive the bike right into the ground if necessary rather > than give up trying to drive out of a pucker situation. > > After she whacked me, I was still going the same direction I had been > (mostly), and at approximately the same speed. The lateral forces > dissipated quickly after I was pushed/bounced off of her car, and the > artificially induced lean angle wasn't too severe to drive out of. I > think most riders could have done this. > > I believe my experience helped immediately AFTER the accident in that I > didn't get upset or mad or anything (some of that is genetic). That > helped me to be very calm and to calm her down. (She was beside > herself.) > > My sweet wife prays for my protection on the road since I commute > through less than hospitable traffic during rush hour every day. > Either God is honoring her prayers, or I have been extremely lucky for > the past 13 years. Perhaps both. > > Todd Vierheller > '96 BMW R1100RT, "Rain Dancer" > '96 Pacific Coast, Killed in Action > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Greg Chambers [SMTP:gpchambers@earthlink.net] > > Todd - > > Congratulations on staying up! You're a very lucky, and skilled, > > rider. - > > Greg Chambers > > > > At 10:53 AM 7/6/98 -0700, todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com wrote: > > > > >She hit me hard enough to move me > > >laterally in my lane about 3 feet! (I stayed up.) My front crash > > bar > > >penetrated her front fender. I hate to think what might have > > happened > > >to my leg if those crash bars had not been there. > > > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 21:29:18 +0000 From: Bill Snead To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: exaust noise/rattle PETER NOETH, SR. SYSTEMS ENGINEER, SFO DEV. X5567 wrote: > > Maybe it is supposed to "float" in the grommet, acting as a sort of > vibration damper? Hi Peter, maybe...but it doesn't do that on all pc's. Besides...it rattles like ball bearings in a can. Maybe some dimensional change occurs due to exhaust heat and it ceases to fit correctly. Oh well, I didn't want to turn this into a GPS or Radar like competitor. recombination of hydrogen reactors in the base congruent bi-metal layer, yack, yack, yack) -- Pax et Bonum, Bill -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "Juan A. Goula" cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Speedometer accuracy? Using a GPS of "Tue, 07 Jul 1998 11:41:07 -0800." <3.0.2.32.19980707114107.006f6e94@jarvis.ims.uaf.edu> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 20:24:26 -0500 "Juan A. Goula" writes: > I am a relative newbie to this GPS thing, but here it goes: I understand > that the "civilian" version of the GPS has a built-in error factor of about > 300 ft. Is this correct? Would this affect speed measurments as well? In my > recent trip to Vancouver-Seattle-Portland, on occasion it placed me (with 9 > to 10 satellites locked on) several tens of feet underwater when I checked > my altitude. GPS is not very accurate in altitude. Deliberate GPS error is known as "selective availability" and ranges from zero to about 300' and varies by the hour or minute but doesn't change very fast.. Search the net and you'll find at least one guy selling PC software to connect to your stationary GPS in order to track SA. There have been periods as long as 12 hours when SA was zero. Differential GPS is simply a stationary GPS at a known location transmitting the difference between its reported position and its known position. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: dickie@bealenet.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: A Hitch in it's Getalong! of "Tue, 07 Jul 1998 00:21:55 EDT." <35A1A263.657E@bealenet.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 19:54:12 -0500 Richard Stafford writes: > What to do? I pull the hose off going to the tank and it's wet. Ahah, > fuel is getting this far. Maybe it's plugged so I blow as hard as I can > down in this hose and its like blowing into a brick wall. Boy am I > getting tired. I stretch the hose after taking the plastic loose around > fill neck, and get the end pointing into the gas tank and crank engine. > Walla, fuel pumps, now were getting somewhere. Hook back to petcock and > crank engine, nothing, hold fingers over outlets where carb hoses attach > and crank, feel pressure then here comes the gas. Hook all hoses up and > she fires up after several cranks. Great!!! Elsewhere you mention failure to find a fuel filter. I believe there is one behind the gas tank near the fuel pump. Your problem is consistant with a bad fuel pump or clogged fuel filter. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: BernieK469@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Speedometer accuracy? of "Tue, 07 Jul 1998 06:21:00 EDT." <385bdddb.35a1f68d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 19:56:10 -0500 BernieK469@aol.com writes: > Silly question, but I assume the tacks. on the PC are fairly accurate. Why would you assume a tachometer is more accurate than a speedometer? They are exactly the same thing, only difference is the numbers printed on the dial. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 21:42:50 +0000 From: Bill Snead To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: Speedometer accuracy? David Kelly wrote: > > BernieK469@aol.com writes: > > Silly question, but I assume the tacks. on the PC are fairly accurate. > > Why would you assume a tachometer is more accurate than a speedometer? > They are exactly the same thing, only difference is the numbers printed > on the dial. Since the Tach is electronic and 'reads' the number of firings of #2 coil, it couldn't be MORE acurrate. If coil fires 2500 times per minute = 2500 rpm. Of course, I could also be wrong on this...Tach could malfunction. But at least it's not a mechanical device subjective to tire size differences, speedo gear wear or cable stretch / bind. -- Peace and All Good, Bill -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. via SMTP by InterJet.systest.com, id smtpd008676; Wed Jul 8 01:57:50 1998 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Brian Hopkins Cc: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: RE: PC800: Speedometer accuracy? Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:43:04 -0700 BernieK469@aol.com writes: > Silly question, but I assume the tacks. on the PC are fairly accurate. Why would you assume a tachometer is more accurate than a speedometer?=20 They are exactly the same thing, only difference is the numbers printed=20 on the dial. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D No, I don't believe so. All speedometers have a little bit of error in = them and you can get them calibrated (like LEO's have to pace you) Many = are designed to read high to look impressive. Especially on = motorcycles. It's driven off of a wheel sensor (either electronic or = manual) and changes as the diameter of the tire changes (wear, heat, = etc) However, a tach is driven off of electrical impulses off of your coil = (usually). It is literally how many times per minute your engine is = firing a spark and then dividing by two (I think-to compensate for being = a four stroke-could be wrong on this). Tach's are dead accurate unless = your engine is missing. The only error is in the scale. You can't tell = if it reads 5000 or 5001, etc but this can be compensated for with a = REALLY big tach. :) Brian D. Hopkins Bhopkins@systest.com Denver, Colorado '96 VFR =20 '97 PC800=20 > There are two kinds of pedestrians... the quick and the dead. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 22:01:08 +0000 From: Bill Snead To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: Speedometer accuracy? Brian Hopkins wrote: Tach's are dead accurate unless your engine is missing. The only error is in the scale. You can't tell if it reads 5000 or 5001, etc but this can be compensated for with a REALLY big tach. :) OR...you can hook up a 3 decimal place digital tachometer to your coil, route it thru your GPS transponder, mount it all on your defunk radar detector mount and tell EXACTLY how fast you're not going. ;-) Hoo Boy...Do I need my machine fixed SOON. -- May the Swartze be with ya, Bill -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m28.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DHLN94DB; Tue, 07 Jul 1998 21:56:17 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: fsl@borgconsulting.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:39:27 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Speed Control From: swift24@juno.com (John D Louk) Yes, Francois, but do you also have to rub your tummy with the left hand and simultaneously wink left-then-right eyes and whistle Mary had a little lamb while doing all that? {:>) Sheesh! My Vista Cruise is too easy. Properly adjusted it holds the throttle and a flick of the thumb on the lever calls the whole thing off.......6 years old and works great!!! John Louk Carmel, IN '90 PC "Ruby On Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:17:32 -0400 Francois Saint Laurent writes: >At 10:29 PM -0400 7/6/98, Jim Randall wrote: >>To each his own, but I have to beg to differ on this one. At the >Honda >>Hoot, I bought and installed a "Throttle Rocker" which I think is the >same >>thing as a wrist rest. If not, then I guess I'm full of 'you know >what' >>once again. At any rate, I thought I liked the Throttle Rocker until >I got >>off the interstate and onto a twistie section. The throttle rocker >was >>constantly in my way when modulating the throttle and reaching for >the >>brake lever and on several occasions I found my self with the >throttle >>cracked open when I wanted it closed. I jerked if off and threw it >away - >>it was only $7 anyway. > > >Hi Jim. > >I have one of those throttle rockers as well. I know what you mean >about >it being in the wrong spot, but was yours tight on the grip? Mine >can be >rotated around the grip in the opposite direction, so I can adjust it >to >the proper location for everyday normal driving, and when I get to the >twisties I just rotate it it up and over until it is out of the way. >When I want to go back to it, I just rotate it some more around the >grip >until it comes back to the right position again. > > > >bye for now.... > >fsl > >(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) > >Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 >Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda > > HSTA Member Number 7470 > >(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 21:27:01 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 21:14:18 -0500 From: jgeistlubtx@door.net (geist, james) To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: New '96 PC... Hi list. I was by the local Honda dealer today. They finally dropped the price on the new 1996 PC that's been in their showroom for......hmmm..........a while...... . Less than 50 miles. Their asking $4990.00. Sound's like a pretty good deal to me. Later. James Lubbock, Tx. '90 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. via SMTP by InterJet.systest.com, id smtpd011195; Wed Jul 8 02:42:30 1998 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Brian Hopkins To: "PC 800 List (E-mail)" Subject: PC800: throttlemeister solved Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:27:43 -0700 HAH! I got it. Ok, so I called sport touring accessories this morning and asked them = what I was doing wrong. Turns out that sometimes from the factory they get screwed in too much. = So when you first get your throttlemeister, stick your thumb inside and = force it to turn which should force it back on the screws and the brass = ring will move in and out. Woohoo!!! That was the problem. About 20 minutes of fooling with it = and I've got a throttle lock. Oh boy, Brian D. Hopkins Bhopkins@systest.com Denver, Colorado '96 VFR =20 '97 PC800=20 > There are two kinds of pedestrians... the quick and the dead. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. via SMTP by InterJet.systest.com, id smtpd011300; Wed Jul 8 02:44:26 1998 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Brian Hopkins To: "PC 800 List (E-mail)" Subject: PC800: hotter headlights Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:29:39 -0700 Ok, so I've heard talk that the PC has a weak alternator. True or false? Can I put hotter headlight bulbs in? Has anyone done this? Any bad things? Good things? Wattage recommendations? TIA Brian D. Hopkins Bhopkins@systest.com Denver, Colorado '96 VFR '97 PC800 Now everybody has a throttle lock. Nobody is jealous. :))) > NowNow -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 22:39:29 -0400 From: Joe Beresford To: Honda Sport Touring Association List , PC800 List , Robert Klocke Subject: PC800: Another Sunday Ride OH/KY/IN Ok so if your not going to the Vintage Days at Mid-Ohio.. http://www.midohio.com Then Road Captain Daryl would like to Invite you to another Breakfest Ride-in to Dry Ridge, KY. just south of Cincinnati, OH. When: 11:00 am EDT Sunday July 12 and <(mark your calendars)> August 9th Where: Country Grill - Exit 159 (st rt 22) off I-75, Dry Ridge Ky. Meet UP: 9:30am @ Shell Gas -Wilder, Ky. on the AA HWY just a click south of I-275 in Northern KY. Contact: Daryl Cassada 513-739-1511 Fireman Joe Beresford Cincinnati, Ohio http://w3.one.net/~cableguy -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rocheux@juno.com by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DHLQ47LR; Tue, 07 Jul 1998 22:28:34 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 22:17:54 -0400 Subject: PC800: faudeux : PC800 Gentlemen, Rocky is back. I do not know for how long, but I am here. I am getting really good with the delete key. Anyway last May I left a note on a PC800 parked near the Louvre, just down the block from Place Vendome. I wrote it in French and invited him to join the group. Well so he wrote me this note the other nite and is interested in joining. So if any of you would like to drop him a note directly and encourage him to get on. I do not think we have one from France on it. I sat on a Deauville when I was over there. They charge alot more for their Japanese bikes and double for the Harleys over there. I do not know if he understand or writes in English but you could try and for you who speak French drop him a note for sure. You can see email address just below. I have not written for some time but still have the red 96 and it runs like a spaceship! I still have the 46 Indian too. I have a Chariot encl trlr coming this Friday! We will tow the PC to Canada, work our way back thru the adirondacks and Finger Lakes area and stop in Vermont to look at possibly buying a 49 Harley 125-not a Hummer, but a 125! Later Now write this guy! <> See ya. Rocky --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: faudeux To: rocheux@juno.com Subject: PC800 Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 18:04:24 +0000 Il y a quelques semaines vous avez mis un mot sur mon PC800 pres de la place Vendome, je vous en remercie, donnez moi des infos sur le reseau des personnes qui ont une Pacific Coast, si vous etes en France vous pouvez mz contacter au6 09 67 39 66 Stephan --------- End forwarded message ---------- _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 23:14:37 -0500 From: Jeffrey King To: PC800 List Subject: PC800: Finally got one!! I'm glad to report that the owners of "the list" can now include me as the proud owner of a PC. After lusting over them since 1989, I just couldn't stand it anymore. Here's the rundown... 1994 Honda PC800 Black/silver 9,400 miles Anal retentive owner since new Stock except for a Hondaline tall windshield. Universal touring bike cover (old). New rear tire only 1,400 miles ago. Already had the 24,000 mile work done! Only 70 miles from my house (no driving to Elbows Knee, Nebraska). $4000 even. Name: The Batcycle (unless that name is already taken..haven't checked yet). I'm picking it up tomorrow. Don't think I'll try the 50 mile, Dallas rush hour traffic dance until I get a few mile under my belt however. It's VERY different than the 78 Suzuki GS400 I'm used to (it's for sale, BTW, if anyone is looking for a good starter bike). I'm going to be looking at headlight modulators and rear taillight mods from Kriss very soon, along with some of the other tips you on the list have been suggesting. One question I have right now, however, is the dashboard melting problem with the Hondaline windshield. Is there any particular direction in which this happens? Given a choice, should I point it towards the sun, away from the sun, ???. I'm going to have to leave it in the open while at work (at least while I'm still in the showing-off stage). Any suggestions?? Jeff King '78 Suzuki GS400 7,234 miles '94 Pacific Coast 9,400 miles -- ==================================================================== Jeffrey W. King (K5ING) Krum, TX. USA 940.482.3446 (home) 972.597.1021 (pager) ==================================================================== http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/1919 ==================================================================== -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Cory" To: "Brian Hopkins" , "PC 800 List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: PC800: hotter headlights Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:16:06 -0400 Brian, I always ran a 100/55 in my '89 and I think the '90 I have now has the same..... I honestly believe you could run a hotter bulb and still be able to have your electric vest on.... The PC stator isn't that weak, it's just that the initial '89 wasn't very good. Cory -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Speedometer accuracy? of "Tue, 07 Jul 1998 21:42:50 -0000." <35A29652.FD4C6647@lithoindustries.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 21:37:31 -0500 Bill Snead writes: > David Kelly wrote: > > > > Why would you assume a tachometer is more accurate than a speedometer? > > They are exactly the same thing, only difference is the numbers printed > > on the dial. > > Since the Tach is electronic and 'reads' the number of firings of #2 > coil, it couldn't be MORE acurrate. If coil fires 2500 times per > minute = 2500 rpm. > Of course, I could also be wrong on this...Tach could malfunction. > But at least it's not a mechanical device subjective to tire size > differences, speedo gear wear or cable stretch / bind. My mistake for not observing the PC tachometer is derived from the ignition rather than a cable connected to the engine. "Gear wear or cable stretch / bind" is not going to affect a speedometer's accuracy. A binding cable will cause the needle to bounce. The average of the bounces will still be correct. Worn gears result in total failure. Tire size and inflation will affect a speedometer. However the physics are still the same between cable driven speedometer and ignition driven "electronic" tachometer. Both still use a needle. The speedometer uses the cable to drive (essentially) a small generator which then drives the needle against a resisting spring. The "electronic" tach simply skips the generator portion and uses transistors. The sloppiest stage for both systems is the calibration and linearity of magnetism pressing against a spring. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: christopher_diamond@studio.disney.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: Re[2]: PC800: Speedometer accuracy? Using a GPS of "Tue, 07 Jul 1998 17:39:41 -0800." <9807078998.AA899858763@wds.disney.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 21:24:11 -0500 christopher_diamond@studio.disney.com writes: > > If a GPS can obtain signals from at least 4 satellites (most will > track up to 12) it can measure altitude as well. And since it > calculates you speed every few seconds at would be accurate (unless > you're going up a mighty steep incline). Modern GPS's can track 12, but only if there are 12 in sight. Modern GPS's such as the Garmin GPS 12XL can track all 12 at once. Older GPS's such as the Garmin GPS 45XL could only track 8, and then it had to sequentially cycle thru the 8, one at a time. Think it requires a lock on 4 satellites to get a 3-D fix. But even then the altitude accuracy is compromised. Altitude seems to vary a lot, sometimes I live at 850' MSL, sometimes 600', othertimes 1000'. Roughly within the range of error for selective availability, but the altitude seems to vary quite a bit and may be affected more by SA than a ground position. After all, the whole point of SA is to prevent somebody from building an extremely accurate missle using our GPS, and error in altitude might mess up a missle a whole lot more than it would for civilian navigation. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "Gregg L. DesElms" cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: A Blank Subject Line of "Tue, 07 Jul 1998 14:02:38 EDT." <001001bda9d1$6e771980$12d2d2d2@deselms> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 21:45:36 -0500 "Gregg L. DesElms" writes: > Many of us get so much e-mail that the only way we can keep up is by > programming our e-mail software to sort it for us into folders. I > sort my incoming PC800 stuff using the "PC800:" character string in > the "Subj:" field. But because of the way the PC800 server is > programmed, blank "Subj:" fields sometimes cause messages to get > bounced out to the group with no "PC800:" character string in that > field. Hence, if your message contains nothing in the "Subj:" field, > it ends-up (at least on *my* machine) in a folder where I don't > necessarily notice it until sometime later. Sorting on the subject field works for very few lists. Its usually much Sorting on this works 100% for me, and skips mail which is also mailed directly to me in reply to my ramblings on the list, Return-path: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu I'm tempted to filter out the PC800: string in such incoming mail as I think its distracting. OTOH am concerned editing the subject field will mess up threading for some, so I don't do it. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:44:49 -0400 To: Jeffrey King , PC800 List From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Finally got one!! At 11:14 PM -0500 7/7/98, Jeffrey King wrote: >One question I have right now, however, is the dashboard >melting problem with the Hondaline windshield. Is there >any particular direction in which this happens? Given a >choice, should I point it towards the sun, away from the >sun, ???. I'm going to have to leave it in the open while >at work (at least while I'm still in the showing-off stage). >Any suggestions?? > >Jeff King >'78 Suzuki GS400 7,234 miles >'94 Pacific Coast 9,400 miles Welcome Jeff. So...you have the tall Hondaline shield. Bring an old T-shirt with you next time, and just put it on the shield when you park. fsl p.s. How come you 'new' bike has more miles than your 'old' bike? (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 02:46:04 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: RE: PC 800 Tachometer vs Speedometer The Tach. is usually consider a more accurate instrument than the speedometer because it is primarly electrical, (digital) and the speedometer is a mechanical device. The speedometer has many more variables affecting its performance than does the tachometer. Having been brought up on British Cars, MGs, TRs and AHs) their tach reading usually were within 2% to 3% of the correct speed. In most high bred touring cars the speedometer is a small instrument, almost hidden in the instrument cluster. The machine is driven by the tachometer. (that is not because of the fear of over revving.) Many motorcycles have adopted the procedure from sports cars of having the tachometer and the speedometer directly correlate in top gear. Bernie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 10:37:36 +0100 To: Betty Lise Anderson , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "John O'Connor" Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: PC800: Pacific Coast...a thing of the past? Betty Lise Anderson >Dept. Of Electrical Engineering >The Ohio State University >205 Dreese Lab 2015 Neil Avenue Columbus OH check out the cool zip code 43210 >http://eewww.eng.ohio-state.edu/~anderson/ > This exact bike >>was presented about a year later as the Honda NT650V >>"Deauville". But that's 650, not 900 cc. > >The rumors I heard at the Honda Hoot is that this bike (the Deauville) will >be marketed in Europe only and that Honda is saying there is no chance at >all that it will be available in the US. (rats.) Hello Betty Yes the Deauville is available here, its a very pretty 650cc motorcycle, very slim and stylish. Is it my imagination or does the PC have a 'clunky' gearbox? Regards to all you PCers out there John O'Connor - London & Ireland Red PC800 1997 - -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by smtp.uscom.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 1998 08:25:46 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 10:52:52 -0400 From: "Carl E. Luft" To: "PC800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: The true meaning of almost empty. Steve & Diane Scudder wrote: > Hi all, > I believe I have found the elusive " so empty, you are about to walk " fuel > level on the PC800. > 264.8 Miles > 4.18 Gallons of gas ( filled to the base of the filler neck, as it enters > the tank ) = > 63.35 Miles per gallon!!! Thank you K&N! Yikes! On the way to the Hoot, Winding down some lonely mountain road, About 198 miles, I found gas and Put 4.21 Gal. in. Hmmmm. K&N Huh Carl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Rtb@aol.com Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:50:37 EDT To: vfr@cs.wisc.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, HSTA@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: PC800: For Sale '92 VFR Looking for a good home for my 1992 VFR. Black beauty, wonderful condition, 11,500 miles, totally stock, seat cowl with bump pad, runs and looks great. Always garaged stored, under cover, and properly maintained. Located in Penfield, NY (Rochester Suburb). $4995/offer. Ron Baroody Rtb@aol.com 716/381-3841 Office 716/381-9533 Home -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m19.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DHM7GYD8; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 11:58:54 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: DaveArps@worldnet.att.net, jrallmond@juno.com, Rush@eibnet.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: AlPalBabe@aol.com, NB16@aol.com, LITLEBREN1@aol.com, Kimmy134@juno.com, vhartley@mail.orion.org, CRJ242@aol.com, BillNoteek@aol.com, BUSTERGENE@aol.com, luttrell@yks0.attnet.or.jp, mckimmey@ix.netcom.com, bosn3@earthlink.net, BikeWm@aol.com, gcsd211@juno.com, RAStaeger@aol.com, dingbat@pathway.net, jwilson@tri-lakes.net, OKCDOC@juno.com, FROGE2@juno.com, jrallmond@juno.com, garntoym@pwcyoko.navy.mil, oneibob@prodigy.net, Seabees@gte.net, lawink@home.com Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:01:10 -0500 Subject: PC800: Dogbyte <>: Two Jokes From Ed 7/8/98 From: comaj@juno.com (Jim M SMITH) _ -----_ // {|||} 0]_____ || {|||} \-----] These two jokes came from \\ {|||} _\____ Ed's Joke Compendium: \\ {|||} / ---- \\-------- / http://www.eds-jokelist.com / | | DogByte | \| ----------- \ | || || || == == "My wife is always asking for money," complained a man to his friend. "Last week she wanted $200. The day before yesterday she asked me for $125. This morning she wanted $150." "That's crazy," said the friend. "What does she do with it all?" "I don't know," said the man, "I never give her any." ~~~~~~~~~ http://www.eds-jokelist.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A motorist driving by a Texas ranch hit and killed a calf that was crossing the road. The driver went to the owner of the calf and explained what had happened. He then asked what the animal was worth. "Oh, about $200 today," said the rancher. "But in six years it would have been worth $900. So $900 is what I'm out." The motorist sat down and wrote out a check and handed it to the farmer. "Here," he said, "is the check for $900. It is postdated six years from now." TrashLaughs-University of Hard Knocks dogbyte@netzone.com To be added to the list, go to: http://www.min.net/~dogbyte -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ernie.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA22450; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 10:11:33 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: dford@tidalwave.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: It had to happen sometime... Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:13:14 -0700 > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas Ford [SMTP:dford@tidalwave.net] > > I am glad nobody was hurt. That would have been horrible. I might > have > missed it earlier, but was this a "hit-and-run" type of accident, or > did you > guys stop and call the police? Was anything done in the way of > "correcting" > the person at fault (citation issued)? Really, I'm glad you weren't > hurt, > but this lady deserves a severe ticket! She could have killed you! > Sounds > like she might be one of those "aggressive drivers"....very dangerous > people. > > Doug Ford > '97 PC800 - 4400mi > No, a ticket was not issued. That is because I opted not to call the police on my cellular. The reason I didn't is because I knew they would write her a ticket. People make mistakes. She simply didn't see me on a bright sunny day with perfect visibility. It happens. After I calmed the lady down (she was close to hysterical), we exchanged information and went our ways. She struck me as a nice person. She was on her way to visit her husband who was in the hospital with heart problems. (I was worried she might join him!) ** I should have called the police just for documentation purposes. ** Had she or her insurance agency tried to fight me, I would have been in a difficult situation (no proof). Fortunately my character assessment (of her) was accurate, and her insurance company was Farmers, one of the best in the business for taking care of people after the accident. They paid $1300 to fix minor cosmetic damage. She was the first person to ever tag me, but not the first to make a serious attempt at it. I am always amazed at how people can try to drive right into me and continue to do so even after I am performing evasive maneuvers. I had a lady once left turn from a side street onto my street from my left side. Unfortunately she didn't turn in front of me, or behind me, but came right at me. I hit the gas and started evading to the right side of the lane. I was literally arching myself (and trying to arch the bike) while the front of her car chased me at a distance of 2 - 3 inches just off my left hip. We were both accelerating, but I was trying not to run off of the road, nor to get tagged. She didn't see me until after I had gone off of the road onto a small patch of "shoulder" (the road had no shoulder but I found a spot that worked) even though I was literally inches off of the front of her car for several seconds (it seemed longer!). She was probably looking for traffic behind me. When she finally saw me, she hit the brakes, stopped dead, and looked mortified. I told her that no harm was done, that she missed me, and to have a good day. Then I waved at her with a smile and drove off. It's all part of riding a motorcycle. People simply make mistakes. When there is no malicious intent, there is no sense getting excited about it. I think it has shaken the cage drivers up more than me in every instance. I feel no compulsion to add to that if it isn't necessary. If you spend any time in the saddle in urban or suburban situations you will get chased or tagged by a car. Don't get mad, get out of the way! ;-) Todd Vierheller '96 BMW R1100RTL, "Rain Dancer" Brier (Seattle), WA -- The Great Pacific NorthWet (tm) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:32:56 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: roll bars? crash bars? What the...? Hi, Betty: The service manual calls these things "Fairing Protectors" and "Saddlebag Protectors." The "Fairing Protectors" cover the "front bumpers" and the "Saddlebag Protectors" cover the "rear bumpers." Maybe these words will help the parts guys find the necessary items. I don't know what the going price is for these items, but you can bet it will be way more than seems reasonable. Such is the value of specialized plastic these days. J.T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Pacific Coast" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: It had to happen sometime... Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 12:12:38 PDT I agree with Todd's assessment. A lot of cage drivers just don't see motorcycles but there is no malicious intent. The good part is, the two incidents Todd describes, both drivers will probably never do that again. They became aware of motorcycles on those days Todd describes. What I can't stand are the cage drivers that do see you and cut you off on purpose or speed up just to pass you then cut in front of you only to slow down again. And they do it just because they don't want to be behind a motorcycle or some other stupid reason. >She was probably looking for traffic behind me. >When she finally saw me, she hit the brakes, stopped dead, and looked >mortified. I told her that no harm was done, that she missed me, and to >have a good day. Then I waved at her with a smile and drove off. >It's all part of riding a motorcycle. > >People simply make mistakes. When there is no malicious intent, there >is no sense getting excited about it. I think it has shaken the cage >drivers up more than me in every instance. I feel no compulsion to add >to that if it isn't necessary. If you spend any time in the saddle in >urban or suburban situations you will get chased or tagged by a car. >Don't get mad, get out of the way! ;-) > >Todd Vierheller ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bob and Grace" To: "Bill Weissborn" , "cheryl trahan" , "Robin and Dave Sherwood" , "Ron and Mimi" , , "MaryAnn Parker" , , , , "Ted Christie" , "John Chalupski" , "Simon Caleb" , "Roger Berry" Subject: PC800: Two Jokes Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:06:57 -0400 >"My wife is always asking for money," complained a man to his friend. >"Last week she wanted $200. The day before yesterday she asked >me for $125. This morning she wanted $150." >"That's crazy," said the friend. "What does she do with it all?" >"I don't know," said the man, "I never give her any." >A motorist driving by a Texas ranch hit and killed a calf that was >crossing the road. The driver went to the owner of the calf and >explained what had happened. He then asked what the animal was worth. >"Oh, about $200 today," said the rancher. "But in six years it >would have been worth $900. So $900 is what I'm out." >The motorist sat down and wrote out a check and handed it to the >farmer. >"Here," he said, "is the check for $900. It is postdated six years >from now." >TrashLaughs-University of Hard Knocks dogbyte@netzone.com > To be added to the list, go to: http://www.min.net/~dogbyte -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bob and Grace" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Two Jokes sorry missed the pc line Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:18:40 -0400 forwarded to some people ... did not see the pc line sorry .... i know not to send jokes on the list will try not to let it happen again sorry again bob -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 16:20:55 -0500 From: Jeffrey King To: Francois Saint Laurent CC: PC800 List Subject: Re: PC800: Finally got one!! Francois Saint Laurent wrote: > > At 11:14 PM -0500 7/7/98, Jeffrey King wrote: > > (snip) > Welcome Jeff. > > So...you have the tall Hondaline shield. Bring an old T-shirt with > you > next time, and just put it on the shield when you park. > > fsl > > p.s. How come you 'new' bike has more miles than your 'old' bike? > > (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) > > Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 > Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda > > HSTA Member Number 7470 > > (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) > Thanks for the tip, Francois. I had thought about some cardboard over the dash, but with my luck it would have caught fire :) Why more miles on my new one? The PC is LOTS more fun to ride, of course. Jeff -- ==================================================================== Jeffrey W. King (K5ING) Krum, TX. USA 940.482.3446 (home) 972.597.1021 (pager) ==================================================================== http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/1919 ==================================================================== -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ernie.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA24595 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 14:49:32 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Yet another survey Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:51:11 -0700 I actually enjoy reading these things for the occupations alone if nothing else. Name: Todd Vierheller Location: Brier WA (North Puget Sound Region, halfway between Seattle and Everett) Email: vierhel@ibm.net Phone: (425) 488-0851 Work: (206) 930-3110 (Cell forwarded into desk phone, or home) Age : 40 Previous Bikes: 1982 Honda CM450E 65,000 Commuter miles (and still running I think) 1996 Honda Pacific Coast ~15,000 commuter miles (killed in action) Current Bike: 1996 BMW R1100RTL, "Rain Dancer" >6000 commuter miles Modifications: BMW: Running lights, front and rear (more later) PC800:Trunk lights, headlight guard, scuff kit, tall windshield, Saeng edging, loud horns CM450E: Trunk, Crash bars, air horn Experience: 13 years riding back and forth to work in rush hour traffic in the dark and the rain. Gear: Aerostich Riding Suit, Shoei X9, Boots, Gloves Marital Status: Married 13 years to a woman who is practically perfect in every way. Children: girl-'87, boy-'89, girl-'91, boy-'93 (Now you see what I have to do on weekends that is more fun than riding!) Pets: One dog, two cats Education: BS Computer Science, 1980 Univ. of Missouri, Rolla MA Biblical Studies, 1986 Multnomah Seminary, Portland Thesis: An Exculpation of Self Defense Based on the Teachings and Example of Jesus Occupation: Software guy, 19 years Other interesting (non-current) "jobs" 20 years wedding photography (weekends) 1/2 year Balloon Wizard (fun, but didn't have time) 1 year realtor (active, many years inactive) Interests: Reading, Shooting (Cameras & Firearms), Kung Fu Height: 5' 10" (~177cm) Weight: 180 lbs. (~82 Kg.) Hair: Thinning but no holes yet! Eyes: Very DARK brown Looks: Plain -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rocheux@juno.com by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DHNTMVC3; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 17:51:06 EDT To: pcrider50@hotmail.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:42:19 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: It had to happen sometime... I believe there is an unconscious process of disregard for things small in the human brain. One time in my car I sat waiting to turn left into K-Mart in Grand Juncton, Colorado in the early 80s. The oncoming cars had passed and two bicyclists were coming and should have been enough to hold me back as if I had started out they would have had to hit their brakes hard to avoid a collision. I actually started to move off in front of them as I became aware of a justification thought "oh, they're small, they'll stop." I had not moved six inches when I stopped again and thought to myself, "My Lord, what a revelation." So if the cager sees you do not take it that they will stop-most do but-------and the degree of hostility will come into play as well. Thanks to many of our mufflerless Harley pals alot of motorists hate, and I mean HATE motorcyclists! Rocky _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rocheux@juno.com by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DHNTMUU2; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 17:51:06 EDT To: bhopkins@systest.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:25:19 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: hotter headlights I put a 50/100W bulb in and nary a problem and I run it on bright all the time days to appear closer as they say it does. Don't tear half the front end off to change it either as I did popping all the tabs off the red strip on my 96 doing it. You can jockey the bulb in by sticking your bulb encompassing fingers between her le.., er, her forks that is. Cast your eyeballs on the outside lens and you can see the bulb enter. No need to ask if its in, you will see it for yourself. Wild Rocky tonight! On Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:29:39 -0700 Brian Hopkins writes: >Ok, so I've heard talk that the PC has a weak alternator. True or >false? > >Can I put hotter headlight bulbs in? Has anyone done this? Any bad >things? Good things? Wattage recommendations? > >TIA > > >Brian D. Hopkins >Bhopkins@systest.com >Denver, Colorado >'96 VFR >'97 PC800 > >Now everybody has a throttle lock. Nobody is jealous. :))) >> NowNow > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: PC800: RE: Reflective arrow Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:51:29 -0400 I've never seen the subject "arrow" but RiderWearhouse sells a 2'x2" = strip of 3M Solas Grade reflective tape for $6.00. Solas is VERY visable = even in mist and fog.Catalog #346 Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bernie Bradley [SMTP:bernie@soltec.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 12:43 AM To: Honda Sport Touring Association Subject: Reflective arrow I've got a reflective arrow on my helmet that my wife got me for Xmas and many people have asked me where I got it. I finally tracked it down and they even have a web site. You can now check it out and order it from . It works great and at only $15 you can't beat it. As usual my disclaimer is that I have no interest in this company other than being a satisfied customer. Bernie --=20 Bernie Bradley Champaign, IL USA `97 Honda ST "PAN-ACEA"(Mine) `96 Honda Pacific Coast(Hers) "Time's Fun When You're Having Flies!" http://www.soltec.net/~bernie/ STOC#(B-R?)FIVE-FOUR-NINE JOIN US!! AMA =20 HSTA#7764 RG Iron Butt Association HRCA NRA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 18:19:35 +0000 From: Bill Snead To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: RE: Reflective arrow Jim Randall wrote: > > I've never seen the subject "arrow" but RiderWearhouse sells a 2'x2" strip of 3M Solas Grade reflective tape for $6.00. Solas is VERY visable even in mist and fog.Catalog #346 Anyone got a source for retroreflective material to SEW onto clothing? I'm thinking the type that fire & rescue wear (broad stripes across back, etc) -- Peace and All Good, Bill -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ernie.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA24833 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 15:21:41 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Solaris Tape from RiderWearhouse (Aerostich) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:23:27 -0700 I second the recommendation. I used Solaris reflective tape to "trim" along the bottom of my trunk on both sides from the turn signal forward to the edge of the trunk fender. It looked stock, but gave great visibility at night. http://www.aerostich.com Todd Vierheller Sew in reflective tape can be found at better fabric stores. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Randall [SMTP:jrandall@tricon.net] > > I've never seen the subject "arrow" but RiderWearhouse sells a 2'x2" > strip of 3M Solas Grade reflective tape for $6.00. Solas is VERY > visable even in mist and fog.Catalog #346 > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'pc800 list'" Subject: PC800: GiVi rack Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:40:20 -0400 Does anybody on the list have the new style rack? The side arms have bends rather than straight and they clear the bodywork by more than 1/4 inch. Roger -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 19:36:22 -0400 From: Pat McNew To: Jeffrey King CC: PC800 List Subject: Re: PC800: Finally got one!! Jeffery, Welcome to the Proud, the Few PC Owners. Thanks for sending a message that contains no references to GPS, Tachometers, or Speedometers! Whew! Pat McNew 1996 PC800 3050 (S)miles Jeffrey King wrote: > > I'm glad to report that the owners of "the list" can now include > me as the proud owner of a PC. After lusting over them since > 1989, I just couldn't stand it anymore. Here's the rundown... > > 1994 Honda PC800 > Black/silver > 9,400 miles > Anal retentive owner since new > Stock except for a Hondaline tall windshield. > Universal touring bike cover (old). > New rear tire only 1,400 miles ago. > Already had the 24,000 mile work done! > Only 70 miles from my house (no driving to Elbows Knee, Nebraska). > $4000 even. > Name: The Batcycle (unless that name is already taken..haven't > checked yet). > > I'm picking it up tomorrow. Don't think I'll try the 50 mile, > Dallas rush hour traffic dance until I get a few mile under my > belt however. It's VERY different than the 78 Suzuki GS400 I'm > used to (it's for sale, BTW, if anyone is looking for a good > starter bike). > > I'm going to be looking at headlight modulators and rear > taillight mods from Kriss very soon, along with some of the > other tips you on the list have been suggesting. > > One question I have right now, however, is the dashboard > melting problem with the Hondaline windshield. Is there > any particular direction in which this happens? Given a > choice, should I point it towards the sun, away from the > sun, ???. I'm going to have to leave it in the open while > at work (at least while I'm still in the showing-off stage). > Any suggestions?? > > Jeff King > '78 Suzuki GS400 7,234 miles > '94 Pacific Coast 9,400 miles > -- > ==================================================================== > Jeffrey W. King (K5ING) > Krum, TX. USA > 940.482.3446 (home) 972.597.1021 (pager) > ==================================================================== > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/1919 > ==================================================================== > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with SMTP id 325; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:40:17 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Douglas Ford" To: "Pacific Coast" , Subject: RE: PC800: It had to happen sometime... Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:41:56 -0400 Importance: Normal Well, I guess I stand corrected on my "outrage". The lady wasn't an aggressive driver, just unaware. However, the only experience I've ever had with cagers is what was described immediately below. I live on the east coast (Maryland/DC area) and people just flat out seem to be as humanly rude and obnoxious as they can possibly be.....on the road, this translates into dangerous times. It only pisses me off more and more. I once caught myself beginning to engage in a case of the cage driver after he cut me off, slowed down quickly, and then exited an off ramp!! ARGGGG!!!!! I stopped chasing him after about 10 seconds........that's when I realized what I was doing. I think I'll heed Todd's advice and just get outta the way. It's hard...real hard...to just sit back and take this BS from cage drivers. Real hard. Doug > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of > Pacific Coast > Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 3:13 PM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: RE: PC800: It had to happen sometime... > > > I agree with Todd's assessment. A lot of cage drivers just don't see > motorcycles but there is no malicious intent. The good part is, the two > incidents Todd describes, both drivers will probably never do that > again. They became aware of motorcycles on those days Todd describes. > What I can't stand are the cage drivers that do see you and cut you off > on purpose or speed up just to pass you then cut in front of you only to > slow down again. And they do it just because they don't want to be > behind a motorcycle or some other stupid reason. > > > >She was probably looking for traffic behind me. > >When she finally saw me, she hit the brakes, stopped dead, and looked > >mortified. I told her that no harm was done, that she missed me, and > to > >have a good day. Then I waved at her with a smile and drove off. > >It's all part of riding a motorcycle. > > > >People simply make mistakes. When there is no malicious intent, there > >is no sense getting excited about it. I think it has shaken the cage > >drivers up more than me in every instance. I feel no compulsion to > add > >to that if it isn't necessary. If you spend any time in the saddle in > >urban or suburban situations you will get chased or tagged by a car. > >Don't get mad, get out of the way! ;-) > > > >Todd Vierheller > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DHN9UBGA; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 21:59:17 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: HOOTER SCOOTER, STATOR & LIGHTS 41-42,46-47,50-59 From: annreid@juno.com (ann s reid) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 21:59:17 EDT 1) Hi! Finally got reinstated with Juno AND PC List. Sure missed "Listing" these past three weeks. 2) Rode my HOOTER SCOOTER(**) to the Honda Hoot (4,775 miles roundtrip). Great fun, albeit VERY HOT and HUMID. There were NO BAD ROADS (for motorcycling) in North Carolina!!!! They know how to build curvy, twisty, mountain roads banked just for bikers. My favorite was Deal's Gap and the DRAGON ... 318 mtn. curves in 11 miles (excluding the multi-mile foot of the Dragon). To quote Arnie, "I'LL BE BACH!" head on small luggage rack. Therefore: Hooter Scooter It was partiularly nice to meet so many "PC Listers" face to face, too. Several are silent Listers, but quite interesting and vocal in person. Can you believe it, not a bad apple in the bunch! *IMAGINE THAT* 3) DEMO RIDES: Rode some big "Other Brand" bikes including the Royal-Sore & Vulcan't. Drug footpegs on all bikes tested ... one as I was making a standard (easy) turn into a parking lot at low speed. All made me glad to be a PCer!!!! Maybe I should sign up for a motorcycle assertiveness class, huh? 4) STATOR or NOT-TO-STATOR: You may recall, I took a new stator with me for "insurance," since I was on an '89 PC with 35,000 miles (which now has nearly 40,000 miles). Enroute home, I thot my stator had died on the western edge of St. Louis during morning rush hour. *PANIC, COLD CHILLS* Turned out to be operator error and a senior moment. I hit the kill switch during my morning aerobics. *EASY FIX* *RELIEF* 5) HEADLIGHT BULB: Does anyone know a quick and easy way to install the headlight bulb? *PLEASE SAY, "YES"* My high beam died in Illinois. At first assessment, it seemed an easy fix. We found a Honda dealer a hundred miles down the road, bot the bulb (measely $6) and THEN realized a gazillion pieces of plastic had to be removed FIRST. So, I came home on low beam and stored the new bulb with my new stator in the PC's right cheek. 6) TIRES: My Metzlers held up well. They had 10,000 miles on them when I left home and barely started cupping enroute back about Illinois. They're still serviceable but will put the new ones on as soon as the wind and rain stop. 7) NAME THAT PC: I'm looking for a name for my White '89 Pacific Coast. Y'all rejected BAV (Born Again Virgin). How about "Lily" (White & Pure)? or S&M (Smooth N' Movin')? [Don't go there!] Ann annreid@juno.com Wed. 7.8.98 18:40 MST _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:32:13 -0400 To: annreid@juno.com (ann s reid), pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: HOOTER SCOOTER, STATOR & LIGHTS At 9:59 PM -0400 7/8/98, ann s reid wrote: >1) Hi! Finally got reinstated with Juno AND PC List. Sure missed >"Listing" these past three weeks. > >2) Rode my HOOTER SCOOTER(**) to the Honda Hoot (4,775 miles >roundtrip). Great fun, albeit VERY HOT and HUMID. There were NO BAD >ROADS (for motorcycling) in North Carolina!!!! They know how to build >curvy, twisty, mountain roads banked just for bikers. My favorite was >Deal's Gap and the DRAGON ... 318 mtn. curves in 11 miles (excluding the >multi-mile foot of the Dragon). To quote Arnie, "I'LL BE BACH!" > > (**) Mounted a lifesize, plastic OWL with 360 degree rotating >head on small luggage rack. Therefore: Hooter Scooter > Ohhhh...an Owl! I was really starting to enjoy the direction this thread was taking, then I find out the reference is to an Owl? >5) HEADLIGHT BULB: Does anyone know a quick and easy way to >install the headlight bulb? *PLEASE SAY, "YES"* Yes. Remove the old one first. It's alot easier that way! (LOL) Do you really need to remove any plastic? I can reach up between Matilda's forks and easily reach the headlight connector. It might be a bit tricky working upside down and backwards, but there seems to be room to work under there. >7) NAME THAT PC: I'm looking for a name for my White '89 Pacific >Coast. Y'all rejected BAV (Born Again Virgin). How about "Lily" (White >& Pure)? or S&M (Smooth N' Movin')? S&M is a conversation starter, but Lily (White and Pure) doesn't make sense, at least not in the same email that also contained the words S&M, Hooter, Virgin, quick and easy, and HOT. I kind of liked Hooter Scooter, myself. bye for now.... (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:31:49 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Clutch I think I may need a new clutch. I have been noticing that it is taking longer and longer throw on my clutch lever to engage first gear. I am almost to the point of having the lever fully extended. According to the manual, there is no adjustment. How much does a new clutch cost? Any ideas? Bernie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Cory" To: , "ann s reid" Subject: Re: PC800: HOOTER SCOOTER, STATOR & LIGHTS Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:44:07 -0400 Ann wrote: >5) HEADLIGHT BULB: Does anyone know a quick and easy way to >install the headlight bulb? *PLEASE SAY, "YES"* > > My high beam died in Illinois. At first assessment, it seemed an >easy fix. We found a Honda dealer a hundred miles down the road, bot the >bulb (measely $6) and THEN realized a gazillion pieces of plastic had to >be removed FIRST. So, I came home on low beam Gazillion pieces? To replace a headlight bulb? On a PC? What kind of PC do you own? To do it the easy way you just reach into the opening above the front fender and feel around for the wire catch that holds the bulb in.... Now, that way is a little cramped, so if you have bigger hands, you can do it the hard way..... Take off the little piece right below the headlight held in by three screws. If you do that you can actually look up in there and see what you are doing rather than doing it by feel.... once you do it a time or two it's really easy. As far as looking for a Honda dealer for a headlight bulb........ you can get the same thing, a stock 55/60, at just about any K-Mart/Wal-Mart type of place and almost all of the various Pep Boys, Parts Plus, and Auto Zone type places should have the 55/60 and, if you're lucky, they'll have the 55/100, a 80/100, or maybe even a 80/120 right there in stock..... On the other hand, if you own a VFR, usually even Honda dealers don't have the bulbs for that in stock. Buy the kind like the PC takes and get out your side cutters! Later, Cory HSTA Membership Director '90 Honda Pacific Coast '94 Honda VFR750F (For Sale) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 22:57:50 -0400 From: Joe Beresford To: PC800 List Subject: Re: PC800: HOOTER SCOOTER, STATOR & LIGHTS Ann I can vouch for Cory.. I watched him do one in under 5 minutes....at A HSTA rally in W.Va. he just reached up there an zip boom bang along with a little grunt from his sidekick Juan...and they put in my new bulb... Joe in cinncinnati -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:24:41 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve & Diane Scudder " To: "PC800 Listserve" Cc: "Steve Delorey" Subject: PC800: Honda Homecoming Info! Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:23:19 -0400 Howdy Coasters!, Here is a link to info on the Honda Homecoming, courtesy of fellow PC'r Jeff Leach. Steve Scudder greyhound@bizgroup.net How could you not LOVE a Greyhound?! 97 PC800 Grand Rapids, MI begin 666 Homecoming.url M6TEN=&5R;F5T4VAO2]$;W=N To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 22:38:29 -0500 From: Jeffrey King To: PC800 List Subject: PC800: First ride... Just got back from picking up my 'new' '94 PC. Had to ride it 71 miles home in 100+ degree heat. Not bad at all is the overall impression. Just a few notes though.... The throttle seems stiff. Probably an easy fix though. The top of the windshield is *right* on my horizon. I find the slight distortion between windshield and free air kind of distracting. I have to either sit bolt upright, or slouch a bit (if I can get used to looking *through* the windshield). Had a tendency to over-rev a bit at first. Boy are those things quiet! After that 70 mile drive, I wasn't sore, tired or 'buzzy'. Nice feeling. When I got it home, I tried to see how it fit in my 10x20 foot shed, and destroyed my ramp!! Lots heavier than my lawn tractor or my GS400. Along with the bike I got a full tank of gas, all service records, 4 tiedowns and a nifty gadget (don't know what it's called) which slips over the handgrips, and has a loop at each end so I can tie it down on a trailer. I'd read awhile back about the different ways to tie down a Tupperware(TM) bike, but don't remember if this was mentioned or not. My complaints are few, my praises high....money well spent. Later, Jeff in southwest suburban Krum, Texas. '94 PC800 '78 Suzuki GS400 '61 Olds Super 88 -- ==================================================================== Jeffrey W. King (K5ING) Krum, TX. USA 940.482.3446 (home) 972.597.1021 (pager) ==================================================================== http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/1919 ==================================================================== -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: hotter headlights of "Wed, 08 Jul 1998 17:25:19 EDT." <19980708.174256.3382.0.Rocheux@juno.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 18:20:37 -0500 rocheux@juno.com writes: > I put a 50/100W bulb in and nary a problem and I run it on bright all the > time days to appear closer as they say it does. I use the high beam during the day for another reason. I'd rather weaken the high beam and have it burn out before the low beam (then replace the bulb) than be driving around at night and have the low beam burn out and limp home on high. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by PM03SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27035) 9 Jul 1998 05:02:32 +0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 21:59:03 -0500 From: Mike & Cindy Ver Velde Subject: Re: PC800: It had to happen sometime... To: Douglas Ford , Pacific Coast , pc800@hpc.uh.edu How about slowly passing a Jeep with two dorky boys in their 20's who found it amusing to hurl a glob of spit in my direction as I was passing during rush hour- some hit the windshield, some on my darien pants, and jacket. I looked at them, they started snickering, and I wish I could do a Dirty Harry move and blow them away... I just thought... Gee, Im not going to lower myself to the level of these losers, and sped off... What was I going to do- slide over and kick their metal jeep... Mike V -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Douglas Ford To: Pacific Coast ; pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 8:41 PM Subject: RE: PC800: It had to happen sometime... >Well, I guess I stand corrected on my "outrage". The lady wasn't an >aggressive driver, just unaware. However, the only experience I've ever had >with cagers is what was described immediately below. I live on the east >coast (Maryland/DC area) and people just flat out seem to be as humanly >rude and obnoxious as they can possibly be.....on the road, this translates >into dangerous times. It only pisses me off more and more. I once caught >myself beginning to engage in a case of the cage driver after he cut me off, >slowed down quickly, and then exited an off ramp!! ARGGGG!!!!! I stopped >chasing him after about 10 seconds........that's when I realized what I was >doing. I think I'll heed Todd's advice and just get outta the way. It's >hard...real hard...to just sit back and take this BS from cage drivers. >Real hard. > >Doug > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of >> Pacific Coast >> Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 3:13 PM >> To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >> Subject: RE: PC800: It had to happen sometime... >> >> >> I agree with Todd's assessment. A lot of cage drivers just don't see >> motorcycles but there is no malicious intent. The good part is, the two >> incidents Todd describes, both drivers will probably never do that >> again. They became aware of motorcycles on those days Todd describes. >> What I can't stand are the cage drivers that do see you and cut you off >> on purpose or speed up just to pass you then cut in front of you only to >> slow down again. And they do it just because they don't want to be >> behind a motorcycle or some other stupid reason. >> >> >> >She was probably looking for traffic behind me. >> >When she finally saw me, she hit the brakes, stopped dead, and looked >> >mortified. I told her that no harm was done, that she missed me, and >> to >> >have a good day. Then I waved at her with a smile and drove off. >> >It's all part of riding a motorcycle. >> > >> >People simply make mistakes. When there is no malicious intent, there >> >is no sense getting excited about it. I think it has shaken the cage >> >drivers up more than me in every instance. I feel no compulsion to >> add >> >to that if it isn't necessary. If you spend any time in the saddle in >> >urban or suburban situations you will get chased or tagged by a car. >> >Don't get mad, get out of the way! ;-) >> > >> >Todd Vierheller >> >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> -- >> Visit the PC800 web page at >> To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >> message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >> To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >> > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Jeffrey King cc: PC800 List From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: First ride... of "Wed, 08 Jul 1998 22:38:29 CDT." <35A43B35.BA4C8AB2@iglobal.net> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 00:09:13 -0500 Jeffrey King writes: > > The throttle seems stiff. Probably an easy fix though. Might not be a bad idea to lube the throttle cables. Use real cable lube, not WD-40. There is a special fitting that clamps over the end of a cable, and then a tube from the lube can is inserted, and this will pressure lube the cable. > The top of the windshield is *right* on my horizon. I find the > slight distortion between windshield and free air kind of > distracting. I have to either sit bolt upright, or slouch a > bit (if I can get used to looking *through* the windshield). You are lucky, my '98 is so low that wind hits my upper chest. Taped a ruler onto my stock windshield tonight and rode around. Decided I need about 6" more than stock and then should be able to easily look over, and easily slouch to look thru. An easy way to lower your windshield without permanent mods would be to put something extra under your butt. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: annreid@juno.com (ann s reid) cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: HOOTER SCOOTER, STATOR & LIGHTS of "Wed, 08 Jul 1998 21:59:17 EDT." <19980708.154520.5447.41.annreid@juno.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 00:11:13 -0500 ann s reid writes: > > 1) Hi! Finally got reinstated with Juno AND PC List. Sure missed > "Listing" these past three weeks. > > 2) Rode my HOOTER SCOOTER(**) to the Honda Hoot (4,775 miles > roundtrip). Great fun, albeit VERY HOT and HUMID. There were NO BAD > ROADS (for motorcycling) in North Carolina!!!! They know how to build > curvy, twisty, mountain roads banked just for bikers. My favorite was > Deal's Gap and the DRAGON ... 318 mtn. curves in 11 miles (excluding the > multi-mile foot of the Dragon). To quote Arnie, "I'LL BE BACH!" You didn't stop by Huntsville, AL, and the Wing Ding XX on the July 4 weekend? It seemed like most everyone at the Wing Ding had been to the Honda Hoot the weekend before. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 22:15:53 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Greg Chambers Subject: Re: PC800: The Glob Patrol At 09:59 PM 7/8/98 -0500, Mike & Cindy Ver Velde wrote: >How about slowly passing a Jeep with two dorky boys in their 20's who found >it amusing to hurl a glob of spit in my direction as I was passing during >rush hour- some hit the windshield, some on my darien pants, and jacket. I >looked at them, they started snickering, and I wish I could do a Dirty Harry >move and blow them away... I just thought... Gee, Im not going to lower >myself to the level of these losers, and sped off... What was I going to >do- slide over and kick their metal jeep... Assuming you could split lanes and make an appropriate getaway, this sounds like the perfect time for a black, metal-looking squirt gun. Just kidding, that would be very dangerous, and those guns are a bad policy...but it sure sounds like fun! Greg Chambers -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Temperature Gauges? From: David Kelly Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 00:16:13 -0500 Not for my PC, but for a friend's pristene 1979 CBX. He wimped out and decided not to ride it in the Wing Ding Parade because somebody said his air cooled 6 cylinders would overheat in the slow parade. Parade was rained out. Once Upon A Time, J.C. Whitney and others sold temperature gauges which clamped under a nut like a washer. Or even clamped under a spark plug. Or even one that inserted in an oil line to measure oil temperature. Anybody seen one of the above lately? '98 PC800W -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: tinted Rifle From: David Kelly Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 00:29:54 -0500 I *have* to do something about my too short windshield. Have been measuring the stock shield. Taped a ruler to it and went riding and decided an extra 6 inches is called for. Where I'll normally be looking over the shield but could comfortably slouch and look thru. This calls for the 24" (plus 5" base) Rifle. Studying it closely, I wouldn't call the stock '98 Honda windshield, "clear". (Wouldn't call it "optically correct" either as it has horizontal waves every inch or so and would cause headaches if I had to look thru it while driving.) But this has me thinking the Rifle tinted windshield would be a Nice Thing. Heck, it would look nice. Wonder if anyone has a tinted Rifle and wants to share their thoughts? -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DHPN7R85; Thu, 09 Jul 1998 01:52:45 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: dkelly@HiWAAY.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: tinted Rifle From: annreid@juno.com (ann s reid) Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 01:52:45 EDT David, I have a clear Rifle that I look thru and I have dark, static cling, sun spot (circle) that I move around easily whenever the sun tries to get me. I've seen quite a number of Rifle shields but none tinted...yet. I bought a whole roll of this dark static cling material from Walter Drake Catalog. If you like, I will cut you a strip & mail for you to try and get a "feel" for tinted shield. Ann Wed. 7.8.98 22:50 MST _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DHPN7R9W; Thu, 09 Jul 1998 01:52:45 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: m.vervelde@mci2000.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: It had to happen sometime... From: annreid@juno.com (ann s reid) Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 01:52:45 EDT Mike V, Don't get mad. Don't get even. Get ahead... Think positive. Be creative and give them apoplexy and that "don't mess with me" look. Perhaps some sticky soda "polish" added to vehicle finish. How about carrying a small spray can of that slimy (harmless) string or disappearing ink to "share?" Or even better (maybe) is a fake badge to flash and scare the be-jabbers out of them. They sell badges at gun shows and pawn shops and army surplus places quite reasonably. Remember, it's better to give than to receive. Time to get BETTER! Ann Wed. 7.8.98 22:35 MST _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 01:37:15 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: David Kelly CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: tinted Rifle I changed to the 20" tinted shield about a month ago. It looks good but it would look better if it was a gray tint to match my black "95". It is a bronze color. Its great in the daylight but tonight I was on the way back to the house and noticed how dark the pavement was for the first 30' in front of me. Kinda makes me uneasy. I will order a clear 24" before winter gets here and change back to the tinted again for hotter weather riding. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 46 Liter GIVI Bag, Rifle Shield, and too many other options to list. (My Wife might see!) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 03:17:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Miller Subject: PC800: Rifle vs Honda Windshields To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Which one gives more wind protection (less helmet noise)? Has anyone out there ridden with both? I'm talking about the tallest Rifle vs the tall Honda windshield. Thanks, Tony == My homepage URL is http://members.tripod.com/~tlmiller/ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:58:53 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve & Diane Scudder " To: "PC800 Listserve" Subject: PC800: Honda Homecoming Link V 1.1 Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:52:50 -0400 Hello all, In my previous post about the Honda Homecoming, I used a Mr. Gates attachment to send the link for info about the event. Apparently the Microsoft method employed for my laziness is not compatible with everyone's e-mail. I humbly submit the URL using the Mavis Beacon method: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/9656/homecoming1.html Steve Scudder greyhound@bizgroup.net How could you not LOVE a Greyhound?! 97 PC800 Grand Rapids, MI -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: HOOTER SCOOTER, STATOR & LIGHTS Date: Thu, 9 Jul 98 06:44:47 -0500 From: "Paul B. Atkins" To: , "pc 800 list" >Subject: PC800: HOOTER SCOOTER, STATOR & LIGHTS >Sent: 07/08/1998 9:06 PM >From: annreid@juno.com >To: Patkins > > Ann...welcome back, glad you had a good time and are home safe and relatively sound :). Thanks again for your Hardley a Davidson sticky...have a great time with it...stands out very well on the red 96......it goes over very well in the home of the Hog.... Paul northern WISCONSIN > >1) Hi! Finally got reinstated with Juno AND PC List. Sure missed >"Listing" these past three weeks. > >2) Rode my HOOTER SCOOTER(**) to the Honda Hoot (4,775 miles >roundtrip). Great fun, albeit VERY HOT and HUMID. There were NO BAD >ROADS (for motorcycling) in North Carolina!!!! They know how to build >curvy, twisty, mountain roads banked just for bikers. My favorite was >Deal's Gap and the DRAGON ... 318 mtn. curves in 11 miles (excluding the >multi-mile foot of the Dragon). To quote Arnie, "I'LL BE BACH!" > > (**) Mounted a lifesize, plastic OWL with 360 degree rotating >head on small luggage rack. Therefore: Hooter Scooter > > It was partiularly nice to meet so many "PC Listers" face to >face, too. Several are silent Listers, but quite interesting and vocal >in person. Can you believe it, not a bad apple in the bunch! *IMAGINE >THAT* > >3) DEMO RIDES: Rode some big "Other Brand" bikes including the >Royal-Sore & Vulcan't. Drug footpegs on all bikes tested ... one as I >was making a standard (easy) turn into a parking lot at low speed. All >made me glad to be a PCer!!!! Maybe I should sign up for a motorcycle >assertiveness class, huh? > >4) STATOR or NOT-TO-STATOR: You may recall, I took a new stator >with me for "insurance," since I was on an '89 PC with 35,000 miles >(which now has nearly 40,000 miles). > > Enroute home, I thot my stator had died on the western edge of >St. Louis during morning rush hour. *PANIC, COLD CHILLS* Turned out to >be operator error and a senior moment. I hit the kill switch during my >morning aerobics. *EASY FIX* *RELIEF* > >5) HEADLIGHT BULB: Does anyone know a quick and easy way to >install the headlight bulb? *PLEASE SAY, "YES"* > > My high beam died in Illinois. At first assessment, it seemed an >easy fix. We found a Honda dealer a hundred miles down the road, bot the >bulb (measely $6) and THEN realized a gazillion pieces of plastic had to >be removed FIRST. So, I came home on low beam and stored the new bulb >with my new stator in the PC's right cheek. > >6) TIRES: My Metzlers held up well. They had 10,000 miles on >them when I left home and barely started cupping enroute back about >Illinois. They're still serviceable but will put the new ones on as soon >as the wind and rain stop. > >7) NAME THAT PC: I'm looking for a name for my White '89 Pacific >Coast. Y'all rejected BAV (Born Again Virgin). How about "Lily" (White >& Pure)? or S&M (Smooth N' Movin')? [Don't go there!] > >Ann >annreid@juno.com >Wed. 7.8.98 18:40 MST > > > > > > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Paul B. Atkins 1996 Pacific Coast patkins@mari.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with SMTP id 132 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:31:07 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Douglas Ford" To: "Pc800 Mailing List" Subject: PC800: Mobil 1 Motorcycle Oils Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:32:49 -0400 Importance: Normal Has anyone tried the new Mobil 1 Motorcycle Oils? Of the two, MX4T 10W-40 or V-Twin 20W-50, which should the PC use? Their website is at http://www.mobil.com/consumer/mobil1/mobil1/motorcycle.html . Doug Ford Odenton, MD -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PLeray@aol.com Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:34:41 EDT To: dford@tidalwave.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Mobil 1 Motorcycle Oils My dealer said, even as hot as it's been down here lately (100-102), that they're using 10w-40. Said if the pc wasn't water-cooled, he'd go to 20w-50. FWIW, Patrick in La. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:40:01 GMT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: mred@cujo2.icom.ca (iCOM Subscriber) Subject: PC800: Importing a pc800 into Canada I have just been on the `phone with Canada Customs and there is NO duty payable on importing one of these machines to Canada .The tariff item # is:8711.40.0000 Of course all the other regulations still apply and GST AND PST as well. Ed.Ontario,Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:52:10 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: The Glob Patrol >At 09:59 PM 7/8/98 -0500, Mike & Cindy Ver Velde wrote: >>How about slowly passing a Jeep with two dorky boys in their 20's who found >>it amusing to hurl a glob of spit in my direction as I was passing during >>rush hour- some hit the windshield, some on my darien pants, and jacket. I >>looked at them, they started snickering, and I wish I could do a Dirty Harry >>move and blow them away... I just thought... Gee, Im not going to lower >>myself to the level of these losers, and sped off... What was I going to >>do- slide over and kick their metal jeep... > I've had an incident where the driver was intentionally trying to frighten me or hit me. I stayed calm, avoided him, let him pass, and he still was going out of his way to upset me. He looked me straight in the eye, then violently swerved halfway into my lane and back to his, then he and the other 16 year old laughed. They were obviously having a good time in Dad's Buick. I tried to speed up and slow down, but the traffic was sufficient that I couldn't get far away from him. He did this several times. I finally raised my foot and kicked his door mirror off. It was hanging from the car. I then cut in behind him as we approached my exit, and then took the off ramp at the last possible moment. Afterwards I wasn't happy that I had allowed myself to get so enraged by the incident. I called the police when I got home, told them about the incident, and gave them the license plate number of the vehicle. I also told him what I had done in self defense. I would rather that he hear this from me than from the other car. I got lucky because it turned out that he was a motorcyclist as well. He was very understanding. I heard back from him a few days later. He had contacted the owner, who said that his son had damaged the mirror backing up into a parking space. The father was apparently quite outraged when he heard how it had really happenned. I was never asked to pay for the damages. I don't approve of what I did. I was younger then. This happenned about 10 years ago. The situation could have turned out alot worse. The kid could have been in a stolen car, and not cared about it at all, then run right into me. Or I might not have noticed another serious situation on the road ahead, like an accident, a blow out from a truck, etc. and then wiped out. I find that now that I am a bit older, I tend to let things like that slide. It's not right when you give someone else the ability to ruin your day. Ride safe everyone. fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Spain, Harrison" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: It had to happen sometime... Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:16:07 -0700 Would air horns have helped in this situation? I don't recall if you hit the horn or not. Harrison > I had a lady once left turn from a side street onto my street from my > left side. Unfortunately she didn't turn in front of me, or behind > me, > but came right at me. I hit the gas and started evading to the right > side of the lane. I was literally arching myself (and trying to arch > the bike) while the front of her car chased me at a distance of 2 - 3 > inches just off my left hip. We were both accelerating, but I was > trying not to run off of the road, nor to get tagged. She didn't see > me > until after I had gone off of the road onto a small patch of > "shoulder" > (the road had no shoulder but I found a spot that worked) even though > I > was literally inches off of the front of her car for several seconds > (it > seemed longer!). She was probably looking for traffic behind me. > When she finally saw me, she hit the brakes, stopped dead, and looked > mortified. I told her that no harm was done, that she missed me, and > to > have a good day. Then I waved at her with a smile and drove off. > It's all part of riding a motorcycle. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 10:25:38 -0400 From: Richard Stafford To: Douglas Ford CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Mobil 1 Motorcycle Oils Douglas Ford wrote: > > Has anyone tried the new Mobil 1 Motorcycle Oils? Of the two, MX4T 10W-40 > or V-Twin 20W-50, which should the PC use? Their website is at > http://www.mobil.com/consumer/mobil1/mobil1/motorcycle.html . > > Doug Ford > Odenton, MD Doug, can't find it here in Richmond area, checked most of the Auto Zone stores and the counter people say never heard of it. Have you seen it for sale yet? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:42:52 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Gregg L. DesElms" To: "Steve & Diane Scudder " , "PC800 Listserve" Cc: "Steve Delorey" Subject: PC800: Re: Honda Homecoming Info! (ATTACHMENTS) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:41:54 -0400 A few subscribers to this list seem to have gotten "e-mail attachment" crazy all of a sudden. E-mail file attachments are *NEVER* a good idea on a list server. (Neither is e-mail in anything other than Plain-text ASCII, but that's an issue for another posting.) Privately attachment files are one thing. But on a list server it's a really bad idea. In addition to being just good netiquette, attachments can be a real virus hazard. Many lists (certainly most of the large, mature and sometimes moderated ones) have an outright prohibition against them. Some even program their list server software to strip attachments from postings and then to append a notification that the attachment was stripped (so the readers will understand why a post contains a reference to something that is no longer there). In the e-mail message, below, the sender should have just placed the URL right into the e-mail message (in this case http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/9656/homecoming1.html). We don't need the HTML file itself attached to the e-mail. When a URL is placed right into the e-mail message, most of us can simply click on it and it will automatically launch our browsers and go to the intended web page. That should be sufficient. The whole deal with the Web is linking and pointing. If everything had to be self-contained then we'd all need T1 to our homes because we'd be clogging-up the backbone with huge object files instead of simply pointing each other to the places where they may access for themselves whatever it is we want them to see. Please, folks... unless absolutely necessary, whatsay we all refrain from making postings to the PC800 list which contain attachments. Gregg DesElms deselms@royal.net '89 PC800 -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Steve & Diane Scudder To: PC800 Listserve Cc: Steve Delorey Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 11:25 PM Subject: PC800: Honda Homecoming Info! >Howdy Coasters!, > >Here is a link to info on the Honda Homecoming, courtesy of fellow PC'r Jeff >Leach. > >Steve Scudder >greyhound@bizgroup.net >How could you not LOVE a Greyhound?! >97 PC800 >Grand Rapids, MI > > > > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vartan Kazarov" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: I just bought a new PC Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 07:56:26 PDT Hello, all Thank you all who responded to my previous e-mail asking about dealer cost for new PC. Beacuse of that I bought one for 6K even. This is my first ever bike and I loved the first ride. I hope to be a valuable addition to PC800 family. Vartan Kazarov '98 PC800 12 miles ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PLeray@aol.com Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:59:40 EDT To: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Solaris Tape from RiderWearhouse (Aerostich) Wal-mart carries Manco brand red reflective peel-and-stick tape. It's really close to the red of my '97. 3-M red reflective is much more reflective, however, and isn't very far off the red, so I've used both in strategic spots on the rear/undersides of the bike. Patrick in La. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:15:34 -0300 To: mred@cujo2.icom.ca (iCOM Subscriber), pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: Importing a pc800 into Canada Warning. You will get as many different answers from Canada Customs, as you talk to people. When I imported my '96, when I was actually AT the border, the same guy tried querying the computer for the duty five times, and got five different values, ranging from 3.1% to 7.5% and zero. He finally discounted the zero and typed in 4.5% as an average. It depends on the year of the bike - older bikes (he said, at the time) don't have duty. But depending on how he described the bike to the computer, he got different numbers back. -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:34:35 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Rifle vs Honda Windshields Hi, Tony: My experience with both shields is that in calm air they are essentially equivalent. Since the Hondaline screen is more flexible, it tends to bend back when hit by wind gusts such as truck turbulence. When it bends, it in effect gets shorter. This results in a momentary decrease in the height of the protection envelope and an attendant increase in turbulence and noise around the top of the helmet. Note: My sitting height is such that I look over the top of both screens; so, I always get a little turbulence and noise with either screen. For those who look through the screen, I doubt that there is any significant difference between the two in terms of protection and noise level. To me, the biggest difference is the cost and the appearance. The Rifle is significantly cheaper and, IMO, significantly uglier. The third option from Clearview is unknown to me; I've not seen one or ridden with one. Others will, no doubt, offer comments about it. J.T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:17:49 -0400 To: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay), mred@cujo2.icom.ca (iCOM Subscriber), pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Importing a pc800 into Canada At 12:15 PM -0300 7/9/98, Daniel MacKay wrote: >Warning. > >You will get as many different answers from Canada Customs, as you talk to >people. > >When I imported my '96, when I was actually AT the border, the same guy >tried querying the computer for the duty five times, and got five different >values, ranging from 3.1% to 7.5% and zero. He finally discounted the zero >and typed in 4.5% as an average. > >It depends on the year of the bike - older bikes (he said, at the time) >don't have duty. But depending on how he described the bike to the >computer, he got different numbers back. > >-- >Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca >Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada > Hi Daniel. I had the same thing happen with me. He was entering my PC into the computer as a 1995. When I went to the brokers next door for that paperwork, they entered 1994, which was the manufactured date (Late 94), as indicated on the SOC label under the front end. I pointed this out to Customs, and then they used 1994 as the year, which dropped the duty to 0% For what it's worth, you might want to look into this. fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:32:52 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: Rifle vs Honda Windshields My '89 has the Rifle, my '96 the tall Hondaline. I concur with J.T. Between the wavy plastic in the Hondaline, its dash-melting history, and the annoying turbulence & buffeting, I consider it to be functionally inferior. But it's not inferior ENOUGH that I want to fork out for the Rifle, and it does look better. -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 09 Jul 1998 12:32:43 -0500 ; Thu, 9 Jul 98 12:32:18 CDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mark Gilb" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: PC800 - Catching Up Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:32:14 -0500 Hello from Disaster Central. Those of you who are regular listers remember my post about a tornado-interrupted camping trip several weeks ago. The next weekend, a strong storm passed through my neighborhood, causing a lightning strike that felled the tree in the front yard onto the house. Minor damage but major clean-up. I am finally getting back to normal and wanted to catch up with some list business. First, congratulations to Jeff and Vartan on their new bikes. It is obvious by your choice of recreation that you are both gentlemen of taste & refinement (but black is still the BEST color, right, Jeff ?). Dave Kelly asked about the 24" Rifle vs. the tall Hondaline. I have a 24" Rifle and I look through it. I am 5'8" with a 30" inseam and really have to stretch to look over the screen. It is, however, very peaceful behind the screen. Someone else mentioned the looks of the Rifle vs. the Hondaline. I would have to agree that the Rifle is not as well integrated but the looks grew on me. I don't even notice now. Emile Nossin, I have your Vista-Cruise !!. Hopefully next week, things will have settled down enough for me to get it packed up and mailed. I am hoping to make it to the Honda Homecoming at the end of the month. If any of the St. Louis Gang (Bob, Jim & Steve) or anyone else is interested in riding from St. Louis or meeting on the way, let me know. I promise that I won't bring along the bad luck that seems to have plagued me recently ( actually, I think I have met my disaster quota and am probably safe for the rest of the year). Mark Gilb 1995 PC800 Arnold, Mo. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:40:37 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: jpatton@ConnectI.com Subject: PC800: What about the Clearview??? Hey Y'all I have been off the list for a few weeks. I missed most of the talk of the Clearview shield.....what was the verdict????? JPatton 89PC800 94VT1100 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by bert.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA12135; Thu, 09 Jul 1998 10:35:05 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: spain@ugsolutions.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: It had to happen sometime... Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:36:02 -0700 In really dicey situations, there is no time to honk the horn. There is barely time to breathe. ALL activity is focused on evasion and driving and hanging on for the ride! It's pucker time. If you have time to honk the horn, the danger factor is really low. So honk away! It has been said that in any case where there is time to honk the horn, an accident can be avoided. The converse is not necessarily true, but can make for interesting riding. :-) Todd Vierheller '96 R1100RTL, "Rain Dancer" (Maybe should be "Cage Dodger"?) > -----Original Message----- > From: Spain, Harrison [SMTP:spain@ugsolutions.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 09, 1998 07:16 > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: RE: PC800: It had to happen sometime... > > Would air horns have helped in this situation? I don't recall if you > hit the horn or not. > > Harrison > > > I had a lady once left turn from a side street onto my street from > my > > left side. Unfortunately she didn't turn in front of me, or behind > > me, > > but came right at me. I hit the gas and started evading to the > right > > side of the lane. I was literally arching myself (and trying to > arch > > the bike) while the front of her car chased me at a distance of 2 - > 3 > > inches just off my left hip. We were both accelerating, but I was > > trying not to run off of the road, nor to get tagged. She didn't > see > > me > > until after I had gone off of the road onto a small patch of > > "shoulder" > > (the road had no shoulder but I found a spot that worked) even > though > > I > > was literally inches off of the front of her car for several seconds > > (it > > seemed longer!). She was probably looking for traffic behind me. > > When she finally saw me, she hit the brakes, stopped dead, and > looked > > mortified. I told her that no harm was done, that she missed me, > and > > to > > have a good day. Then I waved at her with a smile and drove off. > > It's all part of riding a motorcycle. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Doylefish@aol.com Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:46:36 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: HOOTER SCOOTER, STATOR & LIGHTS Francous, Since you have a 95 model and it is black. I would suggest "Night Owl". I also have a 95. Enjoy the ride. Doyle C. Frazier Lebanon, Oregon 95PC-Dark Vadar -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by bert.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA12390; Thu, 09 Jul 1998 11:02:58 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: fsl@borgconsulting.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: The Glob Patrol Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:03:56 -0700 Francois: I have to respectfully disagree on this one. I loved your response. Yes, there was some risk involved, but you had already tried to get away and been unsuccessful. These kids had malicious intent, and their games could easily kill a motorcyclist as well as endanger other drivers (who crash trying to avoid a downed motorcyclist). A car is not a toy. They were possibly shy of demonstrating deadly intent, which would preclude the use of lethal force against them (or at least make it difficult to defend in court). Ideally, a police officer would have observed their behavior and taken the appropriate actions (charging them with reckless endangerment and attempted manslaughter). However, in lieu of that, I thought your solution was just about perfect. I especially love the part of the father finding out about his son's activities and subsequent lies. YES! I'll bet a few changes occurred in that household! Justice prevailed. Most importantly, you probably put an end to behavior that would have undoubtedly been repeated many times otherwise. You may have save lives (really). I am putting "kicking the mirror off" into my memory banks in case the need ever arises. ;-) My hat is off to you Francois, Todd Vierheller '96 R1100RTL, "Rain Dancer" > -----Original Message----- > From: Francois Saint Laurent [SMTP:fsl@borgconsulting.com] > > I've had an incident where the driver was intentionally trying to > frighten > me or hit me. I stayed calm, avoided him, let him pass, and he still > was > going out of his way to upset me. He looked me straight in the eye, > then > violently swerved halfway into my lane and back to his, then he and > the > other 16 year old laughed. They were obviously having a good time in > Dad's > Buick. I tried to speed up and slow down, but the traffic was > sufficient > that I couldn't get far away from him. He did this several times. I > finally raised my foot and kicked his door mirror off. It was hanging > from > the car. I then cut in behind him as we approached my exit, and then > took > the off ramp at the last possible moment. > > > Afterwards I wasn't happy that I had allowed myself to get so enraged > by > the incident. I called the police when I got home, told them about the > incident, and gave them the license plate number of the vehicle. I > also > told him what I had done in self defense. I would rather that he hear > this > from me than from the other car. I got lucky because it turned out > that he > was a motorcyclist as well. He was very understanding. I heard back > from > him a few days later. He had contacted the owner, who said that his > son had > damaged the mirror backing up into a parking space. The father was > apparently quite outraged when he heard how it had really happenned. > I was > never asked to pay for the damages. > > I don't approve of what I did. I was younger then. This happenned > about 10 > years ago. The situation could have turned out alot worse. The kid > could > have been in a stolen car, and not cared about it at all, then run > right > into me. Or I might not have noticed another serious situation on the > road > ahead, like an accident, a blow out from a truck, etc. and then wiped > out. > > I find that now that I am a bit older, I tend to let things like that > slide. It's not right when you give someone else the ability to ruin > your > day. > > > Ride safe everyone. > > Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 > Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda > > HSTA Member Number 7470 > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Doylefish@aol.com Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:07:12 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: windshield replacement Hi PC lovers, I bought a 95 this year in pristene condition but for a blotch in the windshield coating. Its not that bad but I have found a replacement fairly reasonable. What are the steps for replacing the windshield. Thanks in advance and enjoy the ride. Doyle C. Frazier Lebanon, Oregon 96 PC-Dark Vadar -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 12:03:54 -0700 From: Johan Lai To: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com CC: fsl@borgconsulting.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: The Glob Patrol Hi Francois, I tend to agree with Todd here. Taking out his mirror in self defense so he can't see you was an excellent idea, though you may not have thought of it as self defense at the time. It appears that he was clearly focused on you to possibly cause harm. I was at traffic school one time and asked the instructor, who was also a motorcycle cop, about an incident that happened to me where a cager purposely opened the door as I was lane splitting. The cop says because lane splitting is legal in California, that was an assault with a deadly weapon. I could have gotten the license plate number pressed charges. I would also need some witnesses so I'd have to remember a couple of other plates, which I didn't know to do at the time. People don't realize this but an automobile is a deadly weapon. Many more are killed each year by automobiles than any firearm. You don't hear this fact in the news, just the few school shootings that gets all the air time (no disrespect meant for the deceased). That makes every cager a potential danger for us unless they show signs of being aware that we're nearby. A few do move away when I approach, possibly be because they're afraid I'll scratch their car but as long as they're giving me room, I'll wave and thank them. Last year in my city (Orange), there was a guy resisting arrest and tried to run police officers over. The police shot and killed him in self-defense. I, too, will remember the "Francois maneuver" if that becomes my final option. The key is to keep emotions at bay when executing any defensive move. Keep your heads on a swivel out there :) Cheers, Johan Lai Orange, CA '89 "Cassandra" todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com wrote: > > Francois: > > I have to respectfully disagree on this one. I loved your response. > Yes, there was some risk involved, but you had already tried to get away > and been unsuccessful. > > These kids had malicious intent, and their games could easily kill a > motorcyclist as well as endanger other drivers (who crash trying to > avoid a downed motorcyclist). A car is not a toy. They were possibly > shy of demonstrating deadly intent, which would preclude the use of > lethal force against them (or at least make it difficult to defend in > court). Ideally, a police officer would have observed their behavior > and taken the appropriate actions (charging them with reckless > endangerment and attempted manslaughter). However, in lieu of that, I > thought your solution was just about perfect. > > I especially love the part of the father finding out about his son's > activities and subsequent lies. YES! I'll bet a few changes > occurred in that household! Justice prevailed. Most importantly, > you probably put an end to behavior that would have undoubtedly been > repeated many times otherwise. You may have save lives (really). > > I am putting "kicking the mirror off" into my memory banks in case the > need ever arises. ;-) > > My hat is off to you Francois, > > Todd Vierheller > '96 R1100RTL, "Rain Dancer" > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Francois Saint Laurent [SMTP:fsl@borgconsulting.com] > > > > I've had an incident where the driver was intentionally trying to > > frighten > > me or hit me. I stayed calm, avoided him, let him pass, and he still > > was > > going out of his way to upset me. He looked me straight in the eye, > > then > > violently swerved halfway into my lane and back to his, then he and > > the > > other 16 year old laughed. They were obviously having a good time in > > Dad's > > Buick. I tried to speed up and slow down, but the traffic was > > sufficient > > that I couldn't get far away from him. He did this several times. I > > finally raised my foot and kicked his door mirror off. It was hanging > > from > > the car. I then cut in behind him as we approached my exit, and then > > took > > the off ramp at the last possible moment. > > > > > > Afterwards I wasn't happy that I had allowed myself to get so enraged > > by > > the incident. I called the police when I got home, told them about the > > incident, and gave them the license plate number of the vehicle. I > > also > > told him what I had done in self defense. I would rather that he hear > > this > > from me than from the other car. I got lucky because it turned out > > that he > > was a motorcyclist as well. He was very understanding. I heard back > > from > > him a few days later. He had contacted the owner, who said that his > > son had > > damaged the mirror backing up into a parking space. The father was > > apparently quite outraged when he heard how it had really happenned. > > I was > > never asked to pay for the damages. > > > > I don't approve of what I did. I was younger then. This happenned > > about 10 > > years ago. The situation could have turned out alot worse. The kid > > could > > have been in a stolen car, and not cared about it at all, then run > > right > > into me. Or I might not have noticed another serious situation on the > > road > > ahead, like an accident, a blow out from a truck, etc. and then wiped > > out. > > > > I find that now that I am a bit older, I tend to let things like that > > slide. It's not right when you give someone else the ability to ruin > > your > > day. > > > > > > Ride safe everyone. > > > > Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 > > Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda > > > > HSTA Member Number 7470 > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DHQ46M89; Thu, 09 Jul 1998 15:16:02 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: tonylmiller@yahoo.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Rifle vs Honda Windshields From: annreid@juno.com (ann s reid) Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 15:16:02 EDT Tony, The tallest HONDA (that I tried) was DISTORTED plus acted as a magnifying glass and roasted dash. It destroyed one man's dashboard 3 times! Honda replaced dashbd. twice for him and then his wife made a cover for shield which he ALWAYS uses when parked. I have the tallest RIFLE available, which I've had for about 2 years and LOVE. It's thinner and more flexible but does NOT distort or cause wind problems. That's the operator's job! *HA HA* Ann Thu. 7.9.98 9:25 MST _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DHQ46NBJ; Thu, 09 Jul 1998 15:16:02 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: rar205@sundial.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: NORTH CAROLINA CURVES & ROADS 48-49,52-53,55-56,58-59,61-62,64-65,67-73 From: annreid@juno.com (ann s reid) Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 15:16:02 EDT Dear R.A., I'm probably not your best choice to answer your questions regarding NC/Blue Ridge Mtn/Deals Gap. I love that sort of road and scenery and live to ride it. Also, much of my backyard IS curvy, mountain country. May I suggest you communicate with PC-Lister John (e-mail: swift24@juno.com). He has done NC and the Hoot a number of years and is a bit more sane (on the bike!) than I. I learned to fly when I was 18 and when our son was born in 1970 we couldn't afford to fly anymore. In 1975, we bot two new Kawasaki Z-1's (900cc) and called them the "Poorman's Airplane." They were fast, exciting bikes....still are. We sold the Z's in 1983 after riding 8 years. I didn't ride again until spring of 1994. Piece of cake. You never forgot and you never grow up when it comes to biking. It's always a THRILL. I don't expect you'll have any trouble at all. Be sure to carry plenty of drinking water (and or Gator/Garbage-Aid) as it's extremely humid and one tends to dehydrate faster when nature's evap cooling is limited. The Blue Ridge Parkway has a 45mph speed limit. The road, however, is self-limiting and some places you can go faster. Some slower. The curves are arced and banked perfectly for motorcycling and the numerous unlit tunnels are the best (cool, dark and unpredictable). *I LIKED THAT* In fact, I found all NC roads on which I drove to be curvy, twisty, luciously green and satisfying. Some were harder to stop on, especially being short, 'cause there were FEW REALLY FLAT SPOTS. Marked overlooks, of course, are quite manageable. Deal's Gap is a special treat, but not scary at all. *JUST WONDERFUL* We followed Jim (e-mail: neonjim@juno.com) with his Hondabago (GoldWing w/ Trailer), which gave us an extra measure of self-confidence. Whatever he could do, we could do easier. Jim is a very good driver, an aggressive biker who moves right along. Loved following his lead!!! SUGGESTION: If you haven't taken the E.R.C. (Experienced Rider Course) recently, do it BEFORE you do NC. If you're an HRCA member, they will reimburse the cost up to $75 a year. For me, the most important things to remember were: 1) LOOK where you want to be ... NOT over the edge or in the treetops or at the garbage in the middle of your lane. If you look at it, you WILL hit it. *OUCH* 2) Repeat this CHANT over and over: "The bike want's to stay up. The bike wants to stay up. The bike wants to stay up." *NO SPLATTING ALLOWED* 3) If you need to BRAKE, do it BEFORE the curve and keep constant throttle (or roll on a LITTLE extra) in the curve. 4) Watch out for SAND or loose ROCKS and act accordingly. They are probably your biggest problem. 5) Don't drive beyond YOUR LIMITS and don't be afraid to SLOW DOWN and/or get in a LOWER GEAR for better control. 6) Give yourself 3-SECONDS between you and the driver in front of you. 7) CONCENTRATE on the driver in back of the driver in front of you. He's the most important person in your world. Okay, I'm done. You can turn the lights back on and wake up now. Ann annreid@juno.com Thu. 7.9.98 10:50 MST _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Pacific Coast" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, dford@tidalwave.net Subject: Re: PC800: Mobil 1 Motorcycle Oils Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 12:22:55 PDT Has anyone found the new Mobil 1 motorcycle oil? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:01:34 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: PC800: Signing off Hi everyone. I'm signing off until the 23rd of July. I'll be in the San Francisco area for that time. If you are in that area and would like to try to get together, please email me direct at fsl@borgconsulting.com bye for now.. ride safe fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 16:26:14 +0000 From: Bill Snead To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: First ride... Jeffrey King wrote: > Along with the bike I got a full tank of gas, all service > records, 4 tiedowns and a nifty gadget (don't know what it's > called) which slips over the handgrips, and has a loop at each > end so I can tie it down on a trailer. I'd read awhile back > about the different ways to tie down a Tupperware(TM) bike, but > don't remember if this was mentioned or not. Congratulations! The 'nifty gadget' you mention is probably a "canyon Dancer" harness. ImhoTHE best way to tie down tupperware, or any other bike. -- Peace and All Good, Bill -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DHQ98C74; Thu, 09 Jul 1998 16:44:21 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Doylefish@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:40:24 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: windshield replacement From: miketwh@juno.com (Mike T Whited) A '95 eh? Is it still covered by waranty? If so Honda should replace the shield. At least they did mine. Mike Whited ' 94 PC On Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:07:12 EDT Doylefish@aol.com writes: >Hi PC lovers, > I bought a 95 this year in pristene condition but for a blotch in >the >windshield coating. Its not that bad but I have found a replacement >fairly >reasonable. What are the steps for replacing the windshield. Thanks in >advance >and enjoy the ride. >Doyle C. Frazier >Lebanon, Oregon >96 PC-Dark Vadar >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 13:56:14 -0700 From: hwong29 To: Johan Lai CC: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com, fsl@borgconsulting.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: The Glob Patrol Hi All, Kicking another vehicle which is heavier and a lot more stable, sometimes, it may or may not be a good idea. It all depends on the actions and reactions and interactions of all the components of the situation under the law of physics. Speed, angle of impact, your riding posture, weight distribution ... and things of that nature. You may put yourself in harms way. Way back when I was young, I crashed right into the left rear door of a, stopped waiting for the "green", taxi cab, which opened without warning, when I was coming to the light and getting ready to stop at the four-way intersection. I fell into the pedestrian side walk and rolled over. The helmet, made of not so high tech material in the early years, cracked like an egg shell. BTW, this happened in a keep-left traffic and lane splitting country. What happened was the cab driver let the passenger off right in front of the light which was illegal and he didn't check up-coming traffic before opening the door. I was ok, except the helmet, one or two bruised figure tips, the bike's head light and bracket, and a a notchy neck turn. Since then, I had this hatred of cagers who open their door inappropriatelly and/or in illegally situation or taking off without checking all the doors are secured, in disregard of public safety and their own through sloppiness. Onetime, I kicked a car door shut when I passed by, as it looked like it's not completely closed / secured, and might swing open any time in moving traffic. Now come to think of it; I shouldn't have done that as having done that I was wobbling and shaking due to the inequilibrium of the forces and masses of the interactions derived from the situation. But I was younger than with all the pumping blood and adrenaline, impetuous fire, testasteron ??? and assorted mixture of bio-pharmaceutical inequilibrium of a frustrated young man. Sometimes, we just did what we did at the heat of the moment out of frustration and get away with it; some other times, we may or may not be as lucky. Just don't get to the point of extremity. Ride safe and god bless. Peace and cheer, Hallman Wong 96RedPC Johan Lai wrote: > > Hi Francois, > > I tend to agree with Todd here. Taking out his mirror in self defense > so he can't see you was an excellent idea, though you may not have > thought of it as self defense at the time. It appears that he was > clearly focused on you to possibly cause harm. > > I was at traffic school one time and asked the instructor, who was > also a motorcycle cop, about an incident that happened to me where > a cager purposely opened the door as I was lane splitting. The cop > says because lane splitting is legal in California, that was > an assault with a deadly weapon. I could have gotten the license > plate number pressed charges. I would also need some witnesses so > I'd have to remember a couple of other plates, which I didn't > know to do at the time. > > People don't realize this but an automobile is a deadly weapon. > Many more are killed each year by automobiles than any firearm. > You don't hear this fact in the news, just the few school > shootings that gets all the air time (no disrespect meant > for the deceased). That makes every cager a potential danger > for us unless they show signs of being aware that we're > nearby. A few do move away when I approach, possibly be because > they're afraid I'll scratch their car but as long as they're > giving me room, I'll wave and thank them. Last year in my > city (Orange), there was a guy resisting arrest and tried > to run police officers over. The police shot and killed > him in self-defense. > > I, too, will remember the "Francois maneuver" if that becomes > my final option. The key is to keep emotions at bay when > executing any defensive move. Keep your heads on a swivel > out there :) > > Cheers, > Johan Lai > Orange, CA > '89 "Cassandra" > > todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com wrote: > > > > Francois: > > > > I have to respectfully disagree on this one. I loved your response. > > Yes, there was some risk involved, but you had already tried to get away > > and been unsuccessful. > > > > These kids had malicious intent, and their games could easily kill a > > motorcyclist as well as endanger other drivers (who crash trying to > > avoid a downed motorcyclist). A car is not a toy. They were possibly > > shy of demonstrating deadly intent, which would preclude the use of > > lethal force against them (or at least make it difficult to defend in > > court). Ideally, a police officer would have observed their behavior > > and taken the appropriate actions (charging them with reckless > > endangerment and attempted manslaughter). However, in lieu of that, I > > thought your solution was just about perfect. > > > > I especially love the part of the father finding out about his son's > > activities and subsequent lies. YES! I'll bet a few changes > > occurred in that household! Justice prevailed. Most importantly, > > you probably put an end to behavior that would have undoubtedly been > > repeated many times otherwise. You may have save lives (really). > > > > I am putting "kicking the mirror off" into my memory banks in case the > > need ever arises. ;-) > > > > My hat is off to you Francois, > > > > Todd Vierheller > > '96 R1100RTL, "Rain Dancer" > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Francois Saint Laurent [SMTP:fsl@borgconsulting.com] > > > > > > I've had an incident where the driver was intentionally trying to > > > frighten > > > me or hit me. I stayed calm, avoided him, let him pass, and he still > > > was > > > going out of his way to upset me. He looked me straight in the eye, > > > then > > > violently swerved halfway into my lane and back to his, then he and > > > the > > > other 16 year old laughed. They were obviously having a good time in > > > Dad's > > > Buick. I tried to speed up and slow down, but the traffic was > > > sufficient > > > that I couldn't get far away from him. He did this several times. I > > > finally raised my foot and kicked his door mirror off. It was hanging > > > from > > > the car. I then cut in behind him as we approached my exit, and then > > > took > > > the off ramp at the last possible moment. > > > > > > > > > Afterwards I wasn't happy that I had allowed myself to get so enraged > > > by > > > the incident. I called the police when I got home, told them about the > > > incident, and gave them the license plate number of the vehicle. I > > > also > > > told him what I had done in self defense. I would rather that he hear > > > this > > > from me than from the other car. I got lucky because it turned out > > > that he > > > was a motorcyclist as well. He was very understanding. I heard back > > > from > > > him a few days later. He had contacted the owner, who said that his > > > son had > > > damaged the mirror backing up into a parking space. The father was > > > apparently quite outraged when he heard how it had really happenned. > > > I was > > > never asked to pay for the damages. > > > > > > I don't approve of what I did. I was younger then. This happenned > > > about 10 > > > years ago. The situation could have turned out alot worse. The kid > > > could > > > have been in a stolen car, and not cared about it at all, then run > > > right > > > into me. Or I might not have noticed another serious situation on the > > > road > > > ahead, like an accident, a blow out from a truck, etc. and then wiped > > > out. > > > > > > I find that now that I am a bit older, I tend to let things like that > > > slide. It's not right when you give someone else the ability to ruin > > > your > > > day. > > > > > > > > > Ride safe everyone. > > > > > > Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 > > > Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda > > > > > > HSTA Member Number 7470 > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 17:38:57 +0000 From: Bill Snead To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: AMA Vintage Days-signoff Not that it's a big deal...I'm signing off for a few days, going to AMA VIntage Days in Ohio. Since the PC's dead for awhile (sigh), I had planned on taking the '78 CB750K. She (He, It) 's 20 yrs old now so I sprung for new fork springs, seals and new shocks. As well as the obligatory oil change and reg. maintainence (not that most PC'rs know what THAT is. However, now at the last minute I think we'll cage it to OH. Possibility of swinging thru Buffalo (?!), so for comforts sake (read: wimp) I'm probably going to go spec a few thousand bikes from a CAR. I musta binded the forks a bit re-installing 'cause the bike now pulls to the left. Maybe a misaligned triple but no time to check, S.O. a bit uncomfortable with results, so I'm bike-less (till the Demo rides, that is) -- Peace and All Good, Bill -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Cory" To: "Gregg L. DesElms" , "Steve & Diane Scudder " , "PC800 Listserve" Cc: "Steve Delorey" Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Honda Homecoming Info! (ATTACHMENTS) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:14:24 -0400 Gregg wrote: > >Please, folks... unless absolutely necessary, whatsay we all refrain from >making postings to the PC800 list which contain attachments. > Jeez Gregg............. I hear what you're saying and I dont' even disagree w/ you, but, wow man, lighten up! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Rifle vs Honda Windshields Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:12:18 +0200 > Tony, > > The tallest HONDA (that I tried) was DISTORTED plus acted as a > magnifying glass and roasted dash. >Ann Still, I don't see any distortion in my tall Honda shield (the bike's '90, don't know when the shield went on). I can see a melting spot on the dash, yet I have not encountered this event myself (it was there when I bought it), then again we don't get as much sun in Holland as in Arizona, I guess. Emile Nossin '90 PC800 " The Flying Dutchman " Santpoort, Holland Emile@Cybercomm.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Thomas Brown" To: Subject: PC800: 3000 smiles Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:40:21 -0700 Importance: Normal Prefaces - riding experience: 9 months, all PC800 miles (save ~2 MSF 250cc miles and an inch or 2 on a GL1500) Ride: 1989 PC800 36000 miles, midland CB radio, no real riding gear but was fully clothed the whole time including brief underwear Riding with: 1989 GL1500 and 1992 Astro Van all CB'd Destination: Fraser Co. and back a week later. Longest single day ride to date: 320 miles. Colorado and bust - Day 1 We started out early Friday morning the 26th of June. That is, the rest of the family started out early; my snooze button was too close, so I was 15 minutes late. Gathering point was an overpass about 40 miles north of San Diego with a first day's destination of St George, Utah. Back roads are so much more fun than flat slabs, so it was off to Hemet, 29 Palms for gas, Amboy, and Whiskey Petes for gas for PC and fuel for me! My father wanted to check out a camping trailer in Lost Wages so we diddled around in 98 degree heat looking for an address and were back on the road flat slabbing it to St. George. Living on the coast in California, the hottest day I had ridden to this date was about 80 degrees. So, the 115 temp we hit outside of Vegas was a bit of an eye opener. However, an undershirt soak in Mesquite and 75MPH makes a pretty good air conditioner. We were off to the first of the pretty twisties, the Virgin River Canyon in north Arizona. 30 more miles into St George and the Jacuzzi was sounding mighty inviting. Day 2 After a little cage repair, van needed a new spark plug wire, we were off to get off the flat top. At Cedar City, Ut, we turned off onto SR 14 and climbed to ~9000 ft through Cedar Breaks and Dixie Nat. Forest. Very pretty ride but it was nothing compared to SR 12 through Red Canyon, Bryce Canyon, Escalante, Boulder, Hells Backbone, and SR 24 through Capital Reef Nat. Park. Now, I have not done Deals Gap, but I would have to say SR 12 in Utah is the finest MC ride I have done yet. I can't image a ride being any more fun. Truly a geologists dream and site seers joy; a new surprise at every crest and turn. On to Green River (watermelon capitol of the world) and another Jacuzzi and we were feeling pretty good; not to mention, the van is great for carrying a cooler of beer, (actually, only a six pack and mostly bottled water). Day 3 On the seventh day, God rested. On the eight day he created a home on earth and called it Colorado. I-70 through Glenwood Canyon is a blast in a car. Colorado River on one side, vertical cliffs all around but you don't enjoy the twisties until you do them on a motorcycle. Through the ski resorts, and then the climb to Eisenhower Tunnel. I couldn't figure out why the cars weren't keeping up with me and the speed limit and then I remembered climbing that hill in a car. I smiled and honked my air horns in the tunnel (your not supposed to do that, but I was inspired - or - the devil made me do it). Exit 232 is US 40 and we are 28 miles from our destination ... or are we ... Being as the motorcycles climbed the BIG hill so fast, the van took a little time to catch up, By the exit my brother (driving the van) had come within a mile of us before we had to say good bye to our van. A couple on their honeymoon neglected to yield at a stop sign and my brother received a scratch on his leg to match the one he had gotten a few days earlier. Two totaled cages, but fortunately no serious injuries. Warning: do not get in an accident 1500 miles from home! Its not fun. Four hours later and ....where were we....oh yeah, 28 miles to go. Now Berthoud pass has always been a beautiful site, but kind of a chore in a car. On a motorcycle though, the world is your playground and Berthoud pass is the mother of all jungle gyms. I quickly forgot about the accident. I don't think my brother did though. In town: Not that I would do it on a regular basis, but it was nice not having to dig out the helmet for a leisurely 25 MPH jaunt to the grocery store... no lectures please, I just like the ability to choose to wear my helmet. RMNP: You can't come to that corner of the world without taking a drive through Rocky Mountain Nation Park (well you can, but why would you?) Again, its a drive I have done many times in a car, but my how a Motorcycle opens up new dimensions of joy. I snuck up within 6 feet of a grazing doe mule deer and she never even heard me till I passed her. PC800 - great wildlife viewing vehicle. After a week in heaven, it was time to flat slab it back home to deal with insurance issues. Fraser to Grand Junction to Las Vegas (no you may not Valet park my PC) to San Diego. notables: AVG gas mileage: 48 MPG worst tank: 38 MPG - 87 octane out of Green River, Utah I had a 1 minute period wile climbing that I lost power like only one cylinder was firing and the engine was running rough. It corrected itself prior to my inclination to pull over and ran fine the rest of the way. Bad gas? best tank: 57 MPG - 87 octane all down hill from Beaver, Utah. Highest Temp: 117 Mesquite, Nv. Lowest Temp: 42 Fraser, Co. Longest Day: 510 miles in 7 1/2 hours. Seat soreness: a little but with a little shuffling, not too bad. What a good trip....what a great ride! I will post some pictures on a web site soon for you all to take a look at tom ------------------------------------- Tom Brown ------------------------------------- Island Data Corp. 16476 Bernardo Center Drive Suite 117 San Diego, CA 92128 Ph. (619) 487-9335 Fx. (619) 487-9315 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 18:58:22 -0400 To: "PC800 Listserve" From: "Cheryl L. Johnson" Subject: PC800: Motorcyclist killed A motorcyclist was killed near my neighborhood on Tuesday. He was stopped at a light when a fleeing suspect ran a red light and hit 2 vans and then the motorcyclist. The full story can be found at: http://www.tcpalm.com/jupiter/08jtommy.html Very sad, I saw his widow on TV and it was heartwrenching. Just goes to show that anything can happen, at any time. Bill Johnson 89 PC800 18002 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Thu, 9 Jul 1998 19:02:45 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve & Diane Scudder " To: "Cory" Cc: "PC800 Listserve" Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Honda Homecoming Info! (ATTACHMENTS) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:55:19 -0400 Cory wrote: -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Cory To: Gregg L. DesElms ; Steve & Diane Scudder ; PC800 Listserve Cc: Steve Delorey Date: Thursday, July 09, 1998 6:17 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Honda Homecoming Info! (ATTACHMENTS) >Gregg wrote: >> >>Please, folks... unless absolutely necessary, whatsay we all refrain from >>making postings to the PC800 list which contain attachments. >> >Jeez Gregg............. I hear what you're saying and I dont' even disagree >w/ you, but, wow man, lighten up! And God came down from the heavens, and He said unto the chicken, "Thou shalt cross the road." And the Chicken crossed the road, and there was much rejoicing. Amen, Cory, Amen Steve Scudder greyhound@bizgroup.net How could you not LOVE a Greyhound?! 97 PC800 Grand Rapids, MI -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 18:06:56 -0500 From: The Ludingtons To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Need some info.... I remember someone posting a web site for a small trailer for a PC.....Any help to tell me the site?....I am looking to install a radio in my PC....I know several you you have talked about the system that have been installed...What about the speaker covers and such......Thank you for the help.... -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arvid_L=F8vik?=" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: Need some info.... Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:19:16 +0200 Trailer site: http://www.bushtec.com/ Regards Arvid Løvik Norway 1989 PC + 1993 Bushtec Turbo ( only 21 days to arrival !!!!) ---------- > From: The Ludingtons > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: Need some info.... > Date: 10. juli 1998 01:06 > > I remember someone posting a web site for a small trailer for a > PC.....Any help to tell me the site?....I am looking to install a radio > in my PC....I know several you you have talked about the system that > have been installed...What about the speaker covers and such......Thank > you for the help.... > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 20:05:49 -0400 From: Richard Stafford CC: rar205@sundial.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: NORTH CAROLINA CURVES & ROADS ann s reid wrote: > > Deal's Gap is a special treat, but not scary at all. *JUST > WONDERFUL* We followed Jim (e-mail: neonjim@juno.com) with his Hondabago > (GoldWing w/ Trailer), which gave us an extra measure of self-confidence. > Whatever he could do, we could do easier. Jim is a very good driver, > an aggressive biker who moves right along. Loved following his lead!!! > Ann > annreid@juno.com > Thu. 7.9.98 10:50 MST Ann, good advice all around. Patty and I ran the Dragon last year on our Honda'bago and truly enjoyed it, bought the T shirts at the store. When we turned around to ride it again it started a wallygusher of a rainstorm so kinda slowed us down a bit more. We commented it would have been more fun on the PC. Cheers, Dick -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "Pacific Coast" cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, dford@tidalwave.net From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Mobil 1 Motorcycle Oils of "Thu, 09 Jul 1998 12:22:55 PDT." <19980709192255.20829.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 19:22:44 -0500 "Pacific Coast" writes: > Has anyone found the new Mobil 1 motorcycle oil? Only in the magazine ads. I think I'll continue to use the automotive Mobil 1 15W50 blend until they start putting graphite or similar in it. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: windshield replacement of "Thu, 09 Jul 1998 16:40:24 EDT." <19980709.164243.12438.0.miketwh@juno.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 19:05:42 -0500 Mike T Whited writes: > A '95 eh? Is it still covered by waranty? If so Honda should replace the > shield. At least they did mine. Warranty on my '98 is only one year. Unlimited miles. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Doylefish@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: windshield replacement of "Thu, 09 Jul 1998 14:07:12 EDT." <84e68101.35a506d1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 19:20:32 -0500 Doylefish@aol.com writes: > I bought a 95 this year in pristene condition but for a blotch in > the windshield coating. Its not that bad but I have found a > replacement fairly reasonable. What are the steps for replacing the > windshield. Take everything off that doesn't look like a windshield. Then take off the windshield. Assembly is the reverse of disassembly. :-) (for those who are humor-impaired, the above was meant to be a joke) Owner's manual covers windshield removal, I believe. If it doesn't then the service manual at $25 to $40 is a very good investment. Begin by removing the rear view mirrors. Then there is a trim strip below the windshield running from mirror to mirror. Under that are the bolts/ screws. Of course I've only read about it, never done it. Yet. Do you know about Novus Plastic Polish, formulas 1, 2, and 3? I've had a bottle of each, #1 and #2 laying around for several years. Then decided my helmet's faceshield was shot. Meaning it couldn't be hurt any worse. #2 is a very fine abrasive. #3 is a coarser abrasive. I made several passes with #2, inside and out. Then finished it off with #1, "antifog, antistatic, dust repellent". Didn't take out the big scratches but turned the face shield into a perfectly usable item. Had to ride in the rain that evening and water simply beaded off. No fogging problems either. The Novus stuff runs about $8 for an 8 oz bottle. Used in the quantities I used the other day, that's about 20 years worth. I used about as much #2 as you might use of toothpaste to brush your teeth. Which reminds me, toothpaste is sometimes used as a plastic polish too. Am certian there are other similar plastic polishes and cleaners. Some wearing the Honda name. Don't know how the stuff would work on the PC windshield, but sounds like you are discarding it anyway and can't hurt anything. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: It had to happen sometime... of "Thu, 09 Jul 1998 10:36:02 PDT." <9366AE190912D21199570000F67EC626363D46@m0802p99.nordstrom.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 19:04:12 -0500 todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com writes: > > It has been said that in any case where there is time to honk the horn, > an accident can be avoided. The converse is not necessarily true, but > can make for interesting riding. :-) As with many simplistic generalizations, its simplified to the point it sounds like it ought to be true, but really isn't ever true. 6 or 7 years ago I was in a Wal-Mart parking lot, in a 1986 VW Golf. Everybody decided to pull out at the same time. So far so good. But I was sitting in the middle with 5 other cars in front of me and several behind me, none could move while the 6th car in front finished backing out. When the car in front of me started moving a van parked to my right started backing out. I was on the horn instantly, diving for reverse, foot dropped on throttle, spun around to see who was behind me, all the time still on the horn, and was just about to drop the clutch on a revving engine and push the guy away behind me when the van crunched my grill, hood, headlight. And finally stopped. And I finally stopped honking. Van driver was heard to say afterwards, "That was your horn, wasn't it?" I was so thankful that I wasn't in my 1983 Porsche 928S at the time that I couldn't be upset at the guy. After $1200 in repairs, I bought the loudest Italian-sounding horns AutoZone had. '98 PC800W (I named my PC, "Macintosh") '93.5 Infiniti G20 (replaced VW) '83 Porsche 928S '84 Honda VT500FT Ascot -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:28:50 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Gregg L. DesElms" To: "Cory" Cc: Subject: PC800: Re: E-mail attachments Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 21:27:53 -0400 -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Cory To: Gregg L. DesElms Gregg wrote: >> >>Please, folks... unless absolutely necessary, whatsay we all refrain from >>making postings to the PC800 list which contain attachments. >> >> To which Cory replied: > >Jeez Gregg............. I hear what you're saying and I dont' even disagree >w/ you, but, wow man, lighten up! > Oh... wow, man... okay, man... no problem, man... I'm getting lighter by the second... man. Get a job, will 'ya, Surfer Boy! If you don't disagree, then why bother busting my chops about it? E-mail attachments on a list server are not cool. Period. And smart, considerate people who have been on the Internet for a while, and who bother to learn what's acceptable and what isn't, know that. And I have the right to point that out to the list and to ask, nicely, that it stop. Which is what I did. So gimme a f*%#ing break, will 'ya... ...man? And sign your postings... okay, man? Sheesh! What's happened to good netiquette around this joint, anyway? I drift away from this list for a few months and everything goes straight to hell! ;-) Gregg DesElms deselms@royal.net '89 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: The Glob Patrol Date: Thu, 9 Jul 98 20:36:27 -0500 From: "Paul B. Atkins" To: , "pc 800 list" I've been following this thread, and it brought back some memories..some old and some new. First, the old ones. Back in college when I was riding my old CB360, a little old lady in Downers Grove, IL moved into my lane. I honked and kicked her door with my boot. Needless to say, that startled her...just a little old lady that did not see me, unlike Francois situation. Then, also back in college, I rear ended a car turning left....could not move into the right lane due to a car coming up fast (a blue maverick..I'll never forget it). I had slowed down enough that I was not injured, other than a few scrapes, and a bent fork. In both cases, it was my fault..I did not antipate the worse and did not leave a sufficient cushion around me. More recently, I am very much better at anticipating the worse, and when it appears to be happening, I have the time to avoid it (thanks to the beginning and experienced MSF course!!!). But, I have been known to point and wag my finger at the offending driver, or to gesture as if to say "what were you thinking"... this is a new behavior for me...what do you think of it....non verbal lecturing to the negligent? I am not sure what to make of it myself..sometimes it feels good, and other times I wonder what the point is? anyway...just some thoughts on riding and Offensive tactics... Paul >Subject: Re: PC800: The Glob Patrol >Sent: 07/09/1998 2:11 PM >From: jlai@css.filenet.com >To: Patkins > > >Hi Francois, > >I tend to agree with Todd here. Taking out his mirror in self defense >so he can't see you was an excellent idea, though you may not have >thought of it as self defense at the time. It appears that he was >clearly focused on you to possibly cause harm. > >I was at traffic school one time and asked the instructor, who was >also a motorcycle cop, about an incident that happened to me where >a cager purposely opened the door as I was lane splitting. The cop >says because lane splitting is legal in California, that was >an assault with a deadly weapon. I could have gotten the license >plate number pressed charges. I would also need some witnesses so >I'd have to remember a couple of other plates, which I didn't >know to do at the time. > >People don't realize this but an automobile is a deadly weapon. >Many more are killed each year by automobiles than any firearm. >You don't hear this fact in the news, just the few school >shootings that gets all the air time (no disrespect meant >for the deceased). That makes every cager a potential danger >for us unless they show signs of being aware that we're >nearby. A few do move away when I approach, possibly be because >they're afraid I'll scratch their car but as long as they're >giving me room, I'll wave and thank them. Last year in my >city (Orange), there was a guy resisting arrest and tried >to run police officers over. The police shot and killed >him in self-defense. > >I, too, will remember the "Francois maneuver" if that becomes >my final option. The key is to keep emotions at bay when >executing any defensive move. Keep your heads on a swivel >out there :) > >Cheers, >Johan Lai >Orange, CA >'89 "Cassandra" > >todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com wrote: Paul B. Atkins 1996 Pacific Coast patkins@mari.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'Gregg L. DesElms'" , Cory Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Re: E-mail attachments Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 21:38:24 -0400 I use Outlook97/Exchange 5.0 Server. Why does this message come through as an attachment? Is it in HTML format? Roger Prince > -----Original Message----- > From: Gregg L. DesElms [SMTP:deselms@royal.net] > Sent: Thursday, July 09, 1998 9:28 PM > To: Cory > Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: Re: E-mail attachments > > This message uses a character set that is not supported by the Internet Service. To view the original message content, open the attached message. If the text doesn't display correctly, save the attachment to disk, and then open it using a viewer that can display the original character set. << File: message.txt >> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "R. A. Robinson" To: "Paul B. Atkins" , , "pc 800 list" Subject: Re: PC800: The Glob Patrol Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 21:53:43 -0400 Hello Paul, As a LEO I would say today you are better off getting some distance between yourself and the idiot driver, and save the gestures. Today, you never know what will push people over the edge and engage in Road Rage. Just a thought for you. Best Regards and Until Next Time, RAR205 ---------- > From: Paul B. Atkins > To: jlai@css.filenet.com; pc 800 list > Subject: Re: PC800: The Glob Patrol > Date: Thursday, July 09, 1998 9:36 PM > > I've been following this thread, and it brought back some memories..some > old and some new. > First, the old ones. Back in college when I was riding my old CB360, a > little old lady in Downers Grove, IL moved into my lane. I honked and > kicked her door with my boot. Needless to say, that startled her...just a > little old lady that did not see me, unlike Francois situation. > > Then, also back in college, I rear ended a car turning left....could not > move into the right lane due to a car coming up fast (a blue > maverick..I'll never forget it). I had slowed down enough that I was not > injured, other than a few scrapes, and a bent fork. > > In both cases, it was my fault..I did not antipate the worse and did not > leave a sufficient cushion around me. > > More recently, I am very much better at anticipating the worse, and when > it appears to be happening, I have the time to avoid it (thanks to the > beginning and experienced MSF course!!!). But, I have been known to point > and wag my finger at the offending driver, or to gesture as if to say > "what were you thinking"... > > this is a new behavior for me...what do you think of it....non verbal > lecturing to the negligent? I am not sure what to make of it > myself..sometimes it feels good, and other times I wonder what the point > is? > > anyway...just some thoughts on riding and Offensive tactics... > Paul > > > > > >Subject: Re: PC800: The Glob Patrol > >Sent: 07/09/1998 2:11 PM > >From: jlai@css.filenet.com > >To: Patkins > > > > > >Hi Francois, > > > >I tend to agree with Todd here. Taking out his mirror in self defense > >so he can't see you was an excellent idea, though you may not have > >thought of it as self defense at the time. It appears that he was > >clearly focused on you to possibly cause harm. > > > >I was at traffic school one time and asked the instructor, who was > >also a motorcycle cop, about an incident that happened to me where > >a cager purposely opened the door as I was lane splitting. The cop > >says because lane splitting is legal in California, that was > >an assault with a deadly weapon. I could have gotten the license > >plate number pressed charges. I would also need some witnesses so > >I'd have to remember a couple of other plates, which I didn't > >know to do at the time. > > > >People don't realize this but an automobile is a deadly weapon. > >Many more are killed each year by automobiles than any firearm. > >You don't hear this fact in the news, just the few school > >shootings that gets all the air time (no disrespect meant > >for the deceased). That makes every cager a potential danger > >for us unless they show signs of being aware that we're > >nearby. A few do move away when I approach, possibly be because > >they're afraid I'll scratch their car but as long as they're > >giving me room, I'll wave and thank them. Last year in my > >city (Orange), there was a guy resisting arrest and tried > >to run police officers over. The police shot and killed > >him in self-defense. > > > >I, too, will remember the "Francois maneuver" if that becomes > >my final option. The key is to keep emotions at bay when > >executing any defensive move. Keep your heads on a swivel > >out there :) > > > >Cheers, > >Johan Lai > >Orange, CA > >'89 "Cassandra" > > > >todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com wrote: > > > Paul B. Atkins > 1996 Pacific Coast > patkins@mari.net > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Cory" To: "Gregg L. DesElms" Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: Re: E-mail attachments Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:07:52 -0400 I shouldn't even lower myself to this level, but it's a slow night...... As I read it, the theme of your first message is based purely on consideration, consideration for other List users. I completely agree with you on that. I could also jump on the band wagon and request that users refrain from sending unedited replies back and forth, thereby using more and more space as the various threads go on and on, getting bigger and bigger. That is a particular pet peeve of mine. However, I realise that we have several different levels of users, from the very experienced to the "tickled to just figure out how to get e-mail," on this list. Additionally, those different users are using different types of software that allows them varying degrees of flexability in dealing w/ their messages and replies. Not much that can be done about it, so I dont' let it get to me. My response to you was a light hearted attempt to tell you that many of the users on this List may not even know what you are talking about. Your response to me with it's dripping sarcasm and rudeness lacked all evidence of any of the consideration that you seemed to be asking for. As far as what has happened to this List, I might ask the same thing. I was one of the very early members and was on until just under two years ago. During that time frame I certainly don't remember having to deal with sarcasm and preaching about "netiquette" from any of the members. I respectfully request that the rest of the List members consider refraining from commenting on these messages and let this thread die. We could waste lots of time and effort "defending Cory" or "defending Gregg" as was done last week "defending Dana" and "beating up Dana." All time wasted when we could be enjoying talk about our favorite motorcycle. Gregg, if this message still has you steamed up feel free to call 419-562-6866. C -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DHRVYWNE; Thu, 09 Jul 1998 22:29:49 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: JUST FOR THE RIDE From: annreid@juno.com (ann s reid) Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 22:29:49 EDT JUST FOR THE RIDE (I Love The Morning Light) Early mornings are the best. They make me feel truly blessed. And as I wake and as I stretch, Mother Nature draws her sketch. I leap from bed into the spa. It oughta be against the law. Now my day is on the move, And I can settle into a groove. I climb aboard my Sacred C.O.W. (*) I look above and make a vow. To follow the sun and chase the moon, 'Cause this time will end all too soon. Just to please my mind and save my hide, I'm on two wheels JUST FOR THE RIDE! (*) C.O.W. = Closet On Wheels (AKA: PC800) Ann Thu. 7.9.98 19:30 MST _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Cory" To: , "ann s reid" Subject: Re: PC800: JUST FOR THE RIDE Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:41:31 -0400 Ann, Nice poem, good sentiment, and great (and fitting!) name for a PC! Cory -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 22:38:36 -0400 From: Pat McNew To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Rifle vs Honda Windshields I have the Hondaline and except for the slight distortion, I like it. I got it mail order from Waynesville Cycle for $184 including shipping. That makes it more comparable to the Rifle in price. Honda dealers here in Atlanta wanted $232 - $240 for the same thing. Pat McNew 1996 PC800 3050 (S)miles JTSMCRIDER@aol.com wrote: > > Hi, Tony: > > My experience with both shields is that in calm air they are essentially > equivalent. Since the Hondaline screen is more flexible, it tends to bend > back when hit by wind gusts such as truck turbulence. When it bends, it in > effect gets shorter. This results in a momentary decrease in the height of > the protection envelope and an attendant increase in turbulence and noise > around the top of the helmet. > > Note: My sitting height is such that I look over the top of both screens; so, > I always get a little turbulence and noise with either screen. For those who > look through the screen, I doubt that there is any significant difference > between the two in terms of protection and noise level. > > To me, the biggest difference is the cost and the appearance. The Rifle is > significantly cheaper and, IMO, significantly uglier. The third option from > Clearview is unknown to me; I've not seen one or ridden with one. Others > will, no doubt, offer comments about it. > > J.T. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 21:44:33 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 21:31:42 -0500 From: jgeistlubtx@door.net (geist, james) To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: What is that "clicking"? Hi list. While on a short "over-nighter" to Ruidoso, NM., I experienced some clicking as I pulled into a road-side rest stop..(I had been riding 75mph for about 1 1/2 hours.) As I sat at idle, the clicking would speed-up and slow down as I reved the engine. I shut her down, took my break, restarted and the clicking was gone. Has anyone had this happen? James Lubbock, Tx. '90 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m28.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DHRYCY5J; Thu, 09 Jul 1998 23:11:21 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 21:48:01 -0400 Subject: PC800: Riding the Ridge 43-49,51,53,55-58,60-64,66-71,73-80 From: swift24@juno.com (John D Louk) The day held no promises, to be expected in the Smokie Mountains in the summertime. The weather is always a big "IF", capable of instantaneous change upon the whim of a capricious Mother Nature. The three of us, my PC plus two Wings, were riding a two hundred mile sight seeing loop on and about the vicinity of the Blue Ridge Parkway in North Carolina. Already the morning was far warmer than normal with our leather riding gear clammy upon our bodies. Helmet visors condensed our breath onto their inside surface as breathing quickened with each new vista, each new waft of heavy, aroma-filled lush forrest air. The evening rains from the night just passed gave the colors new depth, the forest floor new life, and the tree branches a surreal quality from water droplet prisms each trying to out sparkle each other. The motors murmured in quiet response to our unhurried pace. The cycles tilted like slow pendulums, imprinting tire tracks upon the sometimes dewy surface as countless turns mimicked the stream's journey far below. As we rode, the skies above the trees transformed from cobalt blue to a steely grey as we followed the ridgeline on the Parkway. Soon, the mutter of distant thunder overrode the cycles' drone and peripheral vision barely registered muted flashes of lightning. It became darker within the trees and the flashes and rumble of the approaching storm could not be ignored. We were headed for it or vice versa. Pulling off the Parkway onto a work road intersection, we stopped and squirmed our way into rain suits, gloves, and Totes overboots. Even as we adjusted the last velcro closures the first splats of raindrops penetrated the tree canopy overhead to produce bullseyes in the dust on the windshields and tanks. Vulcan cleared his throat and the thunder intensified with an ominous purpose. We resumed our ride with greater urgency with the intention to either quickly pass through or avoid the worst part of the coming storm. The flashes of lighning increased with exponential intensity as large, fat drops of individual raindrops melded into a torrent of great force, driven both by our accelerated passage and the sudden burst of shrieking wind which never abated after the initial ruffle of a breeze. The sudden clatter of hailstones announced the seriousness of this particular storm cell and their nickel-sized hardness stung the hands, arms, shoulders and upper thighs. The noise inside the helmets was fierce! The blacktop freckled with their remains as they washed about with the flow of water trying to escape the road's surface. The flashes of lighning blended together to form an almost continuous machine gun of energy. The ozone smell of the discharges overcame the heavy forest aromas enjoyed only moments before. We had to slow down. Visibility worsened by the instant and the flood of water across the road threatened hydroplaning. The cycles were tilted into the constant wind. The instant bright flash and simultaneous crash of thunder announced the strike cleaving the tree immediately alongside us and near the road which sent part of the tree onto the Parkway behind us as we passed. Pucker factor eight on a scale of ten. A few miles later, the dazzle of sunlight and absence of rain, hail, and nearby lightning verified our movement out of the storm. The road here, wet with its full length steaming in the sun's furnace, beckoned us to shed our raingear and resume our journey of discovery through the Smokies. We, thankful of our intact condition did just that. John Louk, June 24, 1998 Carmel, IN '90 PC "Ruby" _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. via SMTP by InterJet.systest.com, id smtpd015209; Fri Jul 10 04:08:01 1998 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Brian Hopkins To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: RE: PC800: What is that "clicking"? Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 21:52:23 -0700 Oh oh me me (waving hand wildly in air) This has happened a couple = times to me. Seems to only happen while riding interstates for about an = hour or so and only when its really hot (90 + degrees). If you clutch = in the sound goes away. If you do it a couple of times, the sound = doesn't come back. (for a couple of days anyway) I thought about the loose muffler cover that was mentioned, but I put my = foot back there so hold it and the sound didn't go away. Some thing caught in the fan/radiator??? I don't know, but you are not alone on this. Brian D. Hopkins Bhopkins@systest.com Denver, Colorado '96 VFR =20 '97 PC800=20 > There are two kinds of pedestrians... the quick and the dead. Hi list. While on a short "over-nighter" to Ruidoso, NM., I experienced some clicking as I pulled into a road-side rest stop..(I had been riding 75mph for about 1 1/2 hours.) As I sat at idle, the clicking would speed-up and slow down as I reved the engine. I shut her down, took my break, restarted and the clicking was gone. Has anyone had this happen? James Lubbock, Tx. '90 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "Emile Nossin" cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: David Kelly Subject: Re: PC800: Rifle vs Honda Windshields of "Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:12:18 +0200." <199807092220.VAA00195@donald.cybercomm.nl> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 20:09:44 -0500 "Emile Nossin" writes: > > Tony, > > > > The tallest HONDA (that I tried) was DISTORTED plus acted as a > > magnifying