(Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with SMTP id 527 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 05:58:47 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Douglas Ford" To: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: PC800: Bike needs bath Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 06:02:01 -0400 Importance: Normal Hi everyone-- Is it generally acceptable to use the hose on the PC with regular carwash soap? No fast spraying jetstreams or anything, just the garden hose with a light flow of fresh water and soap? After, I'll put my Honda wax/spray/buffer or whatever it's called on. Thanks. Doug Ford '97 PC800 3400 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 10:11:50 EDT To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Slimy Crud, Northern IL Well Gang, The ride is almost upon us. This Sunday, May 3rd a giant rally will convene in Pine Bluff, WI. This town is about 15 miles west of Madison, WI. I will be leaving from Chicago at apx. 8 AM on Sunday and traveling north on Rt. 12, through Fox Lake area, crossing into WI at Richmond, IL at apx. 9AM. If you'd like to join in, call me at 773-235-0933 or meet me along the route. Rt. 12 is a very pretty road through WI. Look forward to seeing you on the road... Todd Zedak -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Hilsinger George To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: PC800: New Owner Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 08:01:36 -0700 Hi - I just picked up my new 97 Tuesday (with 3 year warranty and warranty pamphlet). I'm George Hilsinger from Yakima, Washington and I haven't named my bike yet. I returned to motorcycling last Spring (after 20 years) with an 81 Honda CM400. Since then I've been lurking off-and-on on the pc800, COG, and CB750 pages while I saved my pennies. I was all set to buy a Nighthawk and put a windshield and bags on it when I learned of Honda's price reduction. At the new price, the PC is one of the best buys around. I've ordered a backrest, cover, and scuff pad set so far and expect to change the grips fairly soon. The PC seat is so much more comfortable than the CM400's that it isn't a priority to change yet. I've learned a lot during the last year from the list and look forward to learning more. George Hilsinger HilsinG@wsdot.wa.gov George Hilsinger Project Development Engineer WSDOT South Central Region HilsinG@wsdot.wa.gov 509-457-7104 Voice 509-575-2561 FAX http://www.wsdot.wa.gov -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'Hilsinger George'" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: PC800: New Owner Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 11:53:49 -0400 Check the scuff pad kit before you use it (better - at the dealer's). I have two kits that are defective in that some panels that should be mirror images are duplicates. In other words, instead of a left/right I have a left/left. Roger > -----Original Message----- > From: Hilsinger George [SMTP:HilsinG@WSDOT.WA.GOV] > Sent: Friday, May 01, 1998 11:02 AM > To: 'pc800@hpc.uh.edu' > Subject: PC800: New Owner > > Hi - > > I just picked up my new 97 Tuesday (with 3 year warranty and warranty > pamphlet). > > I'm George Hilsinger from Yakima, Washington and I haven't named my > bike > yet. > > I returned to motorcycling last Spring (after 20 years) with an 81 > Honda CM400. Since then I've been lurking off-and-on on the pc800, > COG, > and CB750 pages while I saved my pennies. I was all set to buy a > Nighthawk and put a windshield and bags on it when I learned of > Honda's > price reduction. At the new price, the PC is one of the best buys > around. > > I've ordered a backrest, cover, and scuff pad set so far and expect to > change the grips fairly soon. The PC seat is so much more comfortable > than the CM400's that it isn't a priority to change yet. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 09:45:39 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Steven Arita Subject: PC800: PC800 Modified Trunk Door I took a spring-loaded magnetic lock (Home Depot) similar to those on stereo glass doors and cabinets and added it to my trunk release door. When closed, the door sits flush (almost) and does not rattle due to the magnet. To open, I simply push down on the door to open. Two issues: it does not lock and I did have to do some cutting of the plastic below the door Just my $.02. -Steven --------------------------------------------------------------------- At 05:17 PM 4/30/98 -0500, you wrote: >Anthony, > >>I use the trunk all the time but rarely have any occasion to lock it. >>Gets quite tiresome unlocking that cover to release the lever all the >>time but if I leave it unlocked then it rattles and invites meddling >>when parked. Does anyone else share these sentiments or, better yet, >>figured out a clever fix? > >I agree, it is somewhat of a pain to have to unlock the gas door >all the time. I haven't looked into this but how about >replacing the gas door lock with a lock that can be left >unlocked for easy access or locked when parking in an area where >you don't want trunk visitors. I used to have a '67 Rambler >that I believe had a glove compartment lock that worked like >this....I think... > >You got me thinking, perhaps we should go down to our local >locksmith and see if they could do the job? > > > > > >Tom Ambrosio >Evansville, IN >'95 PC800 >http://www.evansville.net/~tambrosi > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Fri, 1 May 1998 12:46:02 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 12:45:11 -0400 From: "Eugene C. Storm" Subject: PC800: A kindred spirit To: PC 800 group -------------Forwarded Message----------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Eugene C. Storm, = ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC 800 list, INTERNET:majordomo@hpc.uh.edu = ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 4/30/98 5:00 PM RE: A kindred spirit My name is Gene Storm and I have returned to motorcycling after an absenc= e of 28 years. My introduction to two wheels came in 1964 aboard a Honda Superhawk. In 1970 my wife and I toured Europe aboard a Triumph Tiger purchased new in London for $850. Some 13 countries, 10,000+ miles and fi= ve months later our trip came to an abrupt end outside of Seville, Spain whe= n we made contact with a Citroen 2CV. Our injuries were minor and the motorcycle sustained only light damage that was easily repaired, but the accident ended our trip and the Triumph was sold at a profit after it was= shipped back to Chicago, our home at the time. Over the past several years I have had many motorcycling conversations wi= th a friend here in Anchorage who returned to touring after a long absence similar to my own. He and his significant other stable two Gold Wings and= a Shadow 750 here in Anchorage and a Gold Wing and an ST 1100 in Seattle. = My choice of a PC 800 was based on some research that included visits to = PC 800 home page both here and in the Netherlands. The choice was made easy after Honda decided to have a fire sale on new '96 models earlier this year. The dealer here in Anchorage didn't act quickly enough to get any, but I was able to purchase mine through University Honda in Seattle and have it shipped north. Since April 2nd I have logged more than 800 miles on the motorcycle and I= am very favorably impressed with its handling and performance. Both are more than adequate for the touring I plan on doing. Last weekend I rode with three Wings and a Harley Wideglide to the historic gold mining community of Hope south of Anchorage on the Kenai Peninsula. Almost a 200= mile roundtrip under blue skies and crisp temperatures in the mid to high= 40s. The comments and exchanges about the PC, modifications and accessories contained in the archives have been very helpful and confirm my early impressions of the motorcycle. I have already ordered a taller Rifle windshield and I still pondering which way to go on some kind of cruise control. A portable Maxon CB will suffice for bike to bike communications= once I can work out the bugs in the wiring harness. The only other additi= on I am considering (other than the MSF course early next month) is a custom= made tail pack that can also serve as a driver's backrest. I plan on working with a local upholstry shop to develop something that could also hold the CB and incorporate a reflective back panel. I'll post infomation= if something works out. In the meantime, I am looking forward to an enjoyable summer on two wheel= s. Juan, let me know if you are headed south from Fairbanks and I'll do the same if I head in your direction. Perhaps we could convene a PC 800 meeti= ng in Tok Junction on June 21. I'll be accompanying a group of mostly BMWs a= nd Gold Wings to the "Function at the Junction," an annual gathering over th= e Solstice weekend. =46rom one enthusiastic PC owner to others. . .until next time, safe ridi= ng! = Subscribe pc800 = -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 09:58:03 -0700 (PDT) From: John La Subject: PC800: Utopia Backrest Pictures To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hello all My Utopia backrest pictures are now available on my PC800 Web page at the following URL: http://hhd.csun.edu/john/pc800.htm John's PC800 Page _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 12:33:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Scot Piper Subject: PC800: SlipStreamer shield? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I was looking through Shade Tree and they have SlipStreamer replacement shields for Goldwings, Vetter, Winjammer, etc fairings. They are in the $45-$95 range. One is listed as Pacifico std #79-81 and Pacifico tall #79-82. I called to inquire what bike/fairing this is for, but they don't know... Has anyone else checked into this? Sure seems like a simple and inexpensive method to obtain a taller windshield. If it's not for the PC800, perhaps SlipStreamer could be convinced to manufacture one. That's the business they are in. Scot '89 PC800 --------- _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: bsnyder@enter.net (Brad Snyder) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Warranty info for '97 Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 19:47:03 GMT Hi again, first I'd like to thank all the people that replied on the list and in private email about my question on the warranty on my new '97 PC.. I called Honda customer service today, and they looked up my PC's vin number and told me that it definitely has a 3 year unlimited mileage warranty and I should have received a warranty booklet from the dealer. The booklet is not placed in the pouch with the owner's manual, but the dealer is supposed to supply one. They are going to mail one out to me. Now I can concentrate on driving the PC! (If the weather ever cooperates). Later. . .. . . . . . . .Brad -- Brad Snyder - bsnyder@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~bsnyder -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 11:44:46 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC800: SlipStreamer shield? At 12:33 5/1/98 -0700, Scot wrote: > One is listed as Pacifico std #79-81 >and Pacifico tall #79-82. I called to inquire what bike/fairing this >is for, but they don't know... Has anyone else checked into this? >Sure seems like a simple and inexpensive method to obtain a taller >windshield. If it's not for the PC800, perhaps SlipStreamer could be >convinced to manufacture one. That's the business they are in. Pacifico was (is?) a brand of aftermarket fairings, a contemporary of Vetter in the late 70's - early 80's. Not sure if they are still around. I had one on my first Maxim 550. They worked quite well, but were IMHO, not quite as attractive as the Vetters but equally as good, if not better. I agree it might be worth a try to get SlipStreamer into the PC game. Juan Don't be afraid of death so much as an inadequate life. -Bertolt Brecht --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '91 Suzuki VX800 University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 16:21:47 -0400 From: Pat McNew To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: '98 models My dealer, Lawrenceville (GA), has one. He also says he knows of no plans to quit making the PC800. He thinks Honda was having trouble moving the '96 and '97 models so they discounted them to get current. If you are interested in a '96, they still have some. Call Patrick at (770) 822-0089. Pat McNew 96 PC800 552 (s)miles Scot Piper wrote: > Has anyone seen a '98 model yet? The local dealer talks about them - > says they are $8900, but I'm not sure he knows what he is talking > about. > Regarding the recent post about Honda still making $ in light of the > $2500 decrease in price on the '96 and '97 models - I believe it. $2500 > is roughly 30% reduction in price. Mark-up for motorcycles is close to > that number. Don't let the dealer tell you otherwise - I've seen the > books. > > Scot > '89 PC800 > Stealth Edging arriving Monday for Michigan testing... > ------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 22:51:28 -0400 From: Pat McNew To: Honda Pacific Coast Group Subject: PC800: 1998 Honda Pacific Coast Fellow PC Riders, I went by my dealer today to buy the oil and filter for that magic 600 mile servicing. I looked at the 1998 PC800 they have. I have not seen a 1997 model, but the major differences in my 1996 and the new one are the smaller front fender and the gray lower plastic. The gray areas on the '98 are flat instead of glossy. I definitely like the glossy better. Pat McNew Snellville, GA 1996 PC800 580 (s)miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 22:15:37 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: Pat McNew CC: Honda Pacific Coast Group Subject: Re: PC800: 1998 Honda Pacific Coast Don't forget the carb synchronization. It'll make it run like a "new" one. At least it did mine. Steve Wilson Ruston LA. 95 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PLeray Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 00:16:51 EDT To: sapiper@yahoo.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: SlipStreamer shield? Scot, I believe what they are referring to is the fairing I have on my '82 GoldWing. It was made by a company named Pacifico. They also made fiberglas bags. Patrick in La. Thumper Rabbit -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Fri, 1 May 1998 21:33:23 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Will Brown" To: Subject: PC800: Nady MRC-11 Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 00:35:12 -0400 Having read the reports from those using Nady communicators, I am somewhat skeptical about them. However, I have not seen any reviews, here or elsewhere, of the Nady MRC-11. This is a 500mW FRS radio instead of the 49mhz "baby monitor" radios. Also, I have not found any dealers for this model. The Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse does not list it and I don't know of any local dealers (SC). Any reviews or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Will Brown Lexington, SC '97 PC800 "Baboon Butt" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 21:47:03 -0700 From: Phil Lewis To: PC800 Group Subject: PC800: A Little "Color" Fun! What color would you like to see on a PC!? If you're curious, check out http://hhd.csun.edu/pc/pc_color/pc_color.htm. Don't ask me why I did this, just in a crazy mood! (I was also stuck in the back of a plane for over 4 hours!! :)) Take care all, Phil -- ************* *Phil Lewis * *'90 PC * *"Delta Red"* *So. Cal. * ************* -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Dawn Wells" To: "Don Hamilton" Subject: PC800: RE: Sale of VFR Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 08:32:22 -0400 Don ,I sold my 94 VFR for 6400 dollars in Feb. It had 11000 miles on it = and also heli-bars ,euro style dark tint shield, tapered roller head = bearings , chase harper sport bags, corbin seat , micron slip on = exhaust, throttle lock and foam grips. Bike had tiniest flaws from a tip = over in a parking lot ,but was otherwise mint.I had all maint records = and all work was dealer performed. Hope this is helpful. = GREG = WELLS -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Dawn Wells" To: "Guy & Sonya" Subject: PC800: List by state Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 08:46:46 -0400 Please add my name: Greg Wells Brockton, Mass dwells@MassEd.Net =20 = =20 = Thanks, Greg -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Read-Receipt-To: "hughes" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "hughes" Subject: PC800: New subscriber Date: Sat, 02 May 98 09:03:54 PDT My name is Paul Hughes and I have had my PC for five years. It was new when I purchased it, it is an '89 model the dealer still had on the floor in '93. My decision in buying the PC was based on the fact I wanted something my wife and I could be comfortable riding together, yet I was not ready for a Gold Wing. We are both large people and the PC has not been a disappointment, we have put many 200 plus mile days on it. I replaced the windshield with a Rifle shortly after I got it, and use an RKA tank bag. I recently bought a Givi top box and it works great, with plenty of room for two helmets. I have replaced the tires three times and am very pleased with the current set of Metzelers. I have put nearly 30,000 mile on my PC in five years, most of that with a passenger, if my wife can't go on of my two daughters is always ready to ride. I am currently considering purchasing a Corbin seat. Does anyone have experiance with one. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 09:46:10 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Doug Subject: PC800: Trunk Lights I installed trunk light and thought other might be interested in saving about $23 I went to Walmart and bought : 2 Interior Auto Lights @ 5.88 ea= $11.76 (get the ones with a built in switch) 1 in line fuse holder 1.23 Hardware store 10' wire 2.22 Total w/ tax $ 16.12 Honda kit was, last time I checked, $38.69 (including tax) I had to drill another hole in mounting base so they will mount in existing threaded holes on the underneath side of trunk lid. You can take power from several sources, battery, hot wire of stand safety switch, splice into existing accessories, I would make sure it is fused. I'm sure others have suggestions on this. So there is my 2 cents worth, hope it is helpful. Doug Knight Rider -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Rich Evans" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: metzler tires Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 08:52:25 PDT I was asked how many sets i have gone through in the last 30K (ML2s). Not really sure how to answer, as i replace them everyother, not as sets. Seems i replaced the front at 15,000 intervals, and the rear at 20,000. looks backwards, but that is what it is. I now have 15000 on the latest rear, and it looks good for another 5k easily. The latest front has 11k, and will also be good for another 4. I think the answer is that i am fairly gentle on the throttle from stops. However, my commute is on a four lane highway with lights and crosstraffic - we all go 75-80 until someone hits a light, or another car jumps in/out. Very heavy use on the front brakes. Well see if i can't get a little more out of this latest set, though, as i have been very AR about keeping them up to 49psi...\ Ride Happy, KR ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Rich Evans" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: corbin seat Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 08:58:48 PDT Someone asked about the corbin seat (message deleted, sorry). I have a very well used corbin seat on my 69000 '89. couple of thoughts.. i like it, but i am short (29" inseam). This seat really sits low in the bike, with a very thin pad. If you are big or heavy it might not be the right thing. My passengers (wife and 7yr old daughter) both seem to like the rear, including the backrest. Only problem with the backrest is that the holding bolt is constantly coming loose. i am curious about the givi top box. have never seen one of these. also, what tank bag works best with one of these bikes. It is clear my old sportbike magnetic isn't. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sat, 2 May 1998 17:09:42 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bryce Ulrich" To: "Douglas Ford" , "PC800" Subject: RE: PC800: Bike needs bath Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 10:07:43 -0700 Importance: Normal Soap it up! Using a hose and your favorite soap will be fine. You might want to get something a bit stronger for the wheels - Simple Green, S100, or the like applied with a soft bristle brush. Look for a narrow one you can fit between the alloy "spokes" on the wheels. Hot tip: A leaf blower is an excellent way to dry off a bike quickly and thoroughly. -bryceu ----------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich, Kirkland, WA Voicemail: 1-888-403-6454 Email: bryceu@worldnet.att.net Web: http://home.att.net/~bryceu/ AMA Life/HRCA/HSTA/STOC 1999 Iron Butt competitor '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" '96 Honda ST1100 ALT "TruST" ----------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 10:17:03 -0700 (PDT) From: John La Subject: Re: PC800: A Little "Color" Fun! To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Phil- Wow- It must have cost you a fortune to paint all of those PC's just for the heck of it... And how long did it take you to have that rider photographed in exactly the same position and same lighting conditions? ;) John ---Phil Lewis wrote: > > What color would you like to see on a PC!? > > If you're curious, check out > http://hhd.csun.edu/pc/pc_color/pc_color.htm. > > Don't ask me why I did this, just in a crazy mood! (I was > also stuck in the back of a plane for over 4 hours!! :)) > > Take care all, > > Phil > > -- > ************* > *Phil Lewis * > *'90 PC * > *"Delta Red"* > *So. Cal. * > ************* > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 20:28:07 -0700 From: frans klaus To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Getting of the list Sorry everyone out there. Due to a considerable lack of time I am leaving the list (at least for some time) Right now I am facing over 800 unread messages. I will probably be back later. Have a good time on the bikes, as I will try to do also, now that the wheater is improving. bye bye frans -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 13:03:13 -0700 (PDT) From: luvadot@m2.sprynet.com (Bob and Grace) Subject: Re: PC800: A Little "Color" Fun! To: pilewis1@concentric.net, PC800 Group great work ... i did notice that the backgrounds (at least on my monitor) seem to have the same color as the bikes ... i vote for either yellow or turquoise ... now if only honda would listen up ... :) On Fri, 01 May 1998, Phil Lewis wrote: >What color would you like to see on a PC!? > >If you're curious, check out >http://hhd.csun.edu/pc/pc_color/pc_color.htm. > >Don't ask me why I did this, just in a crazy mood! (I was >also stuck in the back of a plane for over 4 hours!! :)) > >Take care all, > >Phil > >-- >************* >*Phil Lewis * >*'90 PC * >*"Delta Red"* >*So. Cal. * >************* > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > :) bob and grace parker http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/luvadot __________________________________________________________________________ "Those who reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it." - Thomas Paine Send *NO* Unsolicited Commercial Email _________________________________________________________________________ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Doylefish Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 16:31:02 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fwd: PC800: A Little "Color" Fun! --part0_894141062_boundary Phil, Neat stuff, I like the dark blue but I would like the lighter grey like the 95's. At my age I guess neons do not do much for me. Always put brain in gear before the cycle. Doyle C. Frazier Lebanon, Oregon 95 PC-Dark Vadar --part0_894141062_boundary Content-disposition: inline air08.mail.aol.com (v43.5) with SMTP; Sat, 02 May 1998 00:47:26 -0400 by relay18.mx.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) Sat, 2 May 1998 00:47:21 -0400 (EDT) sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA00305; Fri, 1 May 1998 23:47:31 -0500 (CDT) sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA00291 for ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 21:47:03 -0700 From: Phil Lewis To: PC800 Group Subject: PC800: A Little "Color" Fun! What color would you like to see on a PC!? If you're curious, check out http://hhd.csun.edu/pc/pc_color/pc_color.htm. Don't ask me why I did this, just in a crazy mood! (I was also stuck in the back of a plane for over 4 hours!! :)) Take care all, Phil -- ************* *Phil Lewis * *'90 PC * *"Delta Red"* *So. Cal. * ************* -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. --part0_894141062_boundary-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Doylefish Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 16:41:20 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: CB Hi guys, I talked to a PC rider I see once in a while that just bought a 96 model. He mounted a cb radio with a extension speaker to his windshield. He also has a 800 Intruder he had rode for a few years and he has the cb also mounted by drilling through the windshield. He has never had any trouble with this installation. All the cables are run through the vent hole on the inside of the shield and the set up looks pretty darn clean. The cb is a very small cobra and the 4 inch square speaker is piggy backed to it. This guy is 78 years old and rides almost all day every day. I just wish he had a computer. Make life meaniful Doyle C. Frazier Lebanon, Oregon 95 PC-Dark Vadar -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 13:17:20 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC800: Honduras post to pclist please.... Ron Grant asked me to forward his message to the list since he has been having trouble with his e-mail software. Enjoy! Juan >Ron Grant in Brisbane, Australia! > >Honduras by SR250....of course! >After my night by the lake in El Salvador, I headed north after climbing >the road to the rim of that Volcano-lake, and headed for the crossing into >Honduras at the small town of La Palma. Of course before leaving the area I >also rode up to Cerro Verde and the location above the Izalco >Volcano....pretty impressive as the volcano is a perfect black cone, almost >looks like a pile of coal! The last 50 k. or so before the border was the >first, and worst, dirt road I had encountered, so when the border post >swung into view I was quite relieved with expectations of better roads on >the other side. Exit from El Salvador was easy and simple, this was such an >infrequent crossing that the official was set up at a “card table” >underneath a shade tree! Entry to Honduras was a bit more of a hassle, >however, and it was here that I learned the rule about C.A. border >crossings. “No matter how much/little traffic there is, the crossing always >takes the same amount of time!!” Here there was hardly anyone to process,so >the paper-stamper had taken a break to go into town to visit his >girlfriend!! No worries, in 2 hours, he returned! >Well I was correct about the roads, after crossing they were MUCH better, >great smooth sweeping curves. So much better, given my info re Honduras >economy it was not far in where I was saying to myself-”surely the USA Army >Corps of Engineers built these!” No traffic....no $$$, what else could be >the explanation?? In any case, my idea received reinforcement as I came >around corners every so often to find the perfect road just disappeared, it >had collapsed and there had been little or no attempt to fix. Looked like a >place with GIANT original budget but absolutely no follow up. After a while >I came to realise the collapsed portions tended to be + or - 5 k. from a >town, where the traffic was heavier, but I was often unable to cruise >comfortably without two fingers covering the brake lever. The roads here >though were through magnificent country mountains, and on this weekend were >virtually empty. >I had planned to head for the North Coast, maybe even to go to Roatan or >Utila for some diving, but in retrospect this turned out to be a judgement >error. As I made the turn that would take me out of the mountains and down >to the flat Caribean coast I could plainly see a large cumulous cloud build >up, but pressed on regardless. Ha ha...I was to have the next week of >almost solid rain, the only serious rain of the 2 month trip! My www >research had led me to believe I would find a good Spanish Language school >in one of these towns also, and I was quickly realising that adding more >language skill would tremendously enhance trip enjoyment. I spent a week in >the towns of Tela, La Ceiba and Trujillo.....didn’t find the good school, >gained a LOT of wet gear, and decided none of those places were really good >spots to hang around in. Dumps, really, and if there was any place in C.A. >that had a certain air of “looking over your shoulder” for crime about it, >it was this area. >My best crime story comes from La Ceiba, where I visited a very pleasant >rooftop bar to watch football on the cable TV. A few weeks later I ran into >a Canadian resident in Nicaragua, and exchanging stories, he mentioned that >he knew the owner of that bar and that he had moved down from a small town >in Ontario. “Ah yes,” I remarked,” I remember the Canada flag decal on the >refrigerator.” Well did you here about what happened in that bar a month >ago! Did you see the bar-b-que at the entrance? Well 3 black Hondurans( >Carib people) came in one night, and after some heavy drinking one guy went >over to the meat and started rubbing the meat and licking his fingers. Well >the bar owner noticed this, approached and told him he would have to pay >for the meat as no one else would now buy it. An argument ensued, and the >owner soon went down the steps and got his armed security guard to come up >to eject the guy. Quicker than a flash the offender whips out a pistol and >kills the guard with one shot, then bolts down the stairs. Bar owner goes >to his own pistol behind the bar, and can see the runaway through the open >area between bar and roof, and succeeds on hitting him with 3 shots as he >ran, but not killing him. The cops came, and now the bar owner is in >trouble ‘cause shooting a gunman as he runs away is not really self >defence. Ah, no worries, more is to happen. The next day the family of the >dead guard go to the hospital and finish off the “bad guy” right there in >his bed!! Fun and games, eh??? To finish off the tale...my friend told me >it cost the bar owner $10 000 to get out of the legal wrangle, and he is >still not exactly in the best books with the families of the 2 dead guys! >To emphasise the “lawlessness” of Honduran society, he also told me that >shooting one below the waist is a “nuisance” call to the cops, there, like >a fender-bender with under $500 damage.....they refuse to answer the call! >The locals know it, too, and if there is an argument in a bar a guy is just >as likely to whip out a gun and shoot you in the leg! >But I thought this was a MOTORCYCLE trip story....so time to get back on >track! Once off the coast and back inland I was back into mountains, and >more magnificent riding. My favourite town was La Esperanza, to get there I >had to climb to 8000 ft., down almost to sea level, then back up to 5000 >ft., all in a 70 km. ride on perfect blacktop with no other traffic! But >even the best towns in Honduras tended to be fairly broken up, with a large >number of dirt and dusty streets. Again, in retrospect if I had one C.A. >country to “miss” it would be Honduras, I’m afraid I have even more crime >stories, and myself saw 3 handguns casually carried around, when never in >my life anywhere else had I seen ANY! Also the armed guard is of course a >feature of many C.A. stores and businesses, but it was in Honduras where I >saw 6 with rifles and shotguns as regular posting to a SINGLE bank. It was >fine, and I had no problem, but the same things can be seen in other places >without the “crime aura.” Next....to Nicaragua! > > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 18:46:34 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Doug Subject: PC800: Windshields I have 2 windshields that are not working out for me so will: Trade even for a Rifle taller than the one I have. It is 22"+5" total 27" (0r 25" from top of vent opening to top of shield. Like new! or will sell Honda tall, 27" from top of vent opening to top of shield. This one is slightly hazy and has some scratches, looks like former owner cleaned it with a rough towel (or something). I have used it since I bought the bike in March. Will take $135 + shipping. I been reading about the Rifle and had the opportunity to buy one from a fellow list member, thought it was the size I wanted, wrong again. I want one at least 2" taller (29"+5"or more). I don't know how realistic this is but seems like there is constant turmoil with others as to whether or not they are happy with a Rifle, either they are ecstatic or very disappointed, I am in between. E mail me direct so as not to tie up list space, Doug -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 16:47:31 -0700 From: Phil Lewis To: PC800 Group Subject: Re: PC800: A Little "Color" Fun! For those who are curious and didn't already guess what I did.......... I just used a picture from our last ride and changed the "hue" using a photoshop program. I wouldn't even imagine trying to color a PC from scratch!! :( It worked fairly well, but, as you noticed, a few other items in the picture changed colors as well! Just having fun!! (I think my next attempt will be "surrealistic!") (Unless you think I should quit while I'm ahead!!) -- ************* *Phil Lewis * *'90 PC * *"Delta Red"* *So. Cal. * ************* -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ChuckQdini Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 20:58:22 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: jgoula@ims.uaf.edu Subject: PC800: Ron Grant in Central America Please forward to Ron...thanks Hi: I have spent my last twenty years working in Latin America and fully agree with Ron's assessment of Honduras. I, for one, hope to never see that country again (although that's not very likely). I'm sure he will enjoy Costa Rica, roads and scenery are excellent. Ron...if you get this post, there's a bar in San Jose, Costa Rica, you might enjoy, the Key Largo. Send me an e-mail if you are planning on going as far as Panama, I'll be able to set you up with some good contacts and might even meet you there myself! Crime is a problem in Panama City but not as bad as Honduras. You just missed the big prision break in La Ceiba.....probably why everyone had armed themselves! Vaya con dios Chuck -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JLicari721 Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 21:20:56 EDT To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Passenger Backrest Replacement Pad ONLY 1 Left $20.00 plus shipping Honda Passenger Backrest Pad (pad only...no brackets) If your passenger seat backrest pad is worn or ripped and you need a repalacement I have 1 left. Factory Honda...no cheap reproductions. Brand New....Never Used -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 23:33:35 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: PC800: Latest modifications Hello everyone. I have added/changed a few things on Waltzing Matilda, my 95 PC800. If you're not interested in a long account of the changes I have made, then please feel free to click on the 'Delete' button above. I wasn't happy with the idea of continuously tapping into the switched and live circuits under the seat for all my accessories, so I started the day off by adding two fuse boxes to my PC800. One of these is switched with the ignition, and the other one is live. Now I have a nice clean place to add an accessory and ensure it is fused and switched properly. Some of you will remember that I had installed Tenzo driving lights. I had placed the switch on the front of the right side handlebar cover, in the mirror image of the left bar turn signal switch. There was a blank space there and the switch fit nicely. However, with the passing of time I have realized that while the switch placement was excellent when sitting on the bike and stopped, the location left alot to be desired when driving. Since the throttle is twisted when driving, my thumb was no longer in a good place to reach the switch for the lights. It was possible, but not comfortable to do. I wanted quick access to the lights, as a 'flash to pass' feature, etc. So, I moved the switch today so that it now resides on the outside left edge of the left handlebar cover, around the corner from the horn, so to speak. In this location, I can actuate the switch with my thumb knuckle, or using my index finger from the other side. I also placed the switch so that the red and green LED's, indicating on/off, are visible from the driving position. Well....what to do with that newly liberated space on the right bar! I purchased one of the Gerbing electronic thermostats for my electric vest. These thermostats only draw the power needed for the setting chosen, as opposed to always using the maximum power and using a resistor to lower the current sent to the vest. With all of the electrical requirements already being made on the bike, I thought this was a wise move. Also, with the high/low switch I had before, I had the option of either cooking or freezing. This new thermostat lets me dial in the amount of heat I need. It has a rotary dial, and next to it resides a small red LED that blinks slowly, quickly, or not at all, depending on how high of a setting is selected. Next I added a Hazard Lights switch. I used a 3 prong HD flasher unit, and wired it through a switch to the left and right turn signals. I had gotten the wiring diagram from someone on either this list or the HSTA list. (I can't remember which one.) I need help with the wiring, if any electronic wiz brains are out there. I have the power going to the X prong, the P going to one side of the turn signals, and the L going to the other side of the signals. It works, sort of. When I turn on the switch, the left lights light up, then the right ones light up a fraction of a second later, then they both go out. There's enough of a delay that it could be confusing. Also, it means that all four lights are on at the same time. Here is what I would like to see. I would like the rear lights to go on, then go off. While they are off, I would like the front lights to go on, and vice versa. Does this make sense. I also think it would be less of a strain on the battery since the 4 lights would never be on at the same time. I think I know how to do this by adding a couple of diodes, but I would love some input here from someone who knows how. I can remember seeing a picture at one time of a PC with a Hazard switch installed. Was that someone fro this list? I also added a switched cigarette lighter socket in the trunk, so I can charge my cell phone when I travel. When my phone is not plugged in, the lighter socket holds a rechargeable flashlight. Finally, I have begun, but not yet finished, installing a switch for my garage door opener. I am wiring it into the switched fuse box, so the key needs to be on for it to work. I haven't yet decided on a place for the switch. Once I have finished all of these mods, I will post some pictures on the web. That's it for now. Can you tell it's raining here? Why else would I have time for all of this instead of riding!!! bye for now....and thanks in advance to anyone who can help. fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 11:43:54 -0400 From: Pat McNew To: Honda Pacific Coast Group Subject: PC800: Hondaline Tall Windshield Owners Unite! Fellow Hondaline Tall Windshield Owners: Friday I called the Honda Motorcycle Customer Service Department number, (310) 532-9811, about the distortion in our windshields. I talked to Jeff. He said that Honda had several complaints on file, but he knew of no plan to do anything about the problem. (He also said they had @200 of these distorted windshields in stock.) I told him that I had no distortion in my stock windshield, so I knew it was possible to manufacture one without it. I told him that some of you with older windshields did not have as much or any distortion. My dealer has a used 1995 with one that has only a very small amount of distortion. I also told him about the dash melting problem, which could be related to the distortion. He took my name, address and phone number and said he would pursue it further and let me know. Next week I am going to call the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, (800) 424-9393, and report the problem to them, as I told Jeff I was going to do. Incidentally this is right out of my owner's manual, page 103. I think we all need to call both of these numbers and report this problem. If enough of us call maybe somebody at Honda will do the right thing and get the problem corrected! On a happier note I have now passed 600 miles and have my new oil and filter installed. (Dana, I did use Honda oil and a Honda filter purchased from my local dealer.) I plan to go by the dealer next week and get the carbs synchronized. If it would quit raining I would go out and run 5000 RPM! Pat McNew 1996 PC800 603 (s)miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: PC800: tires and the PC800 Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 12:56:37 -0400 I have about 10K miles on my K177s and since the recent news regarding Dunlop's discontinuance of the K177 in PC sizes, have been thinking a bit about my next tire purchase. I'm sure the Metzlers are fine performance tires but my riding tends to be MUCH more touring than sporting in nature and previous posts would seem to support the idea that the Dunlops provide longer wear life than the Metzlers. My own personal experience is that performance of the K177 is quite adequate for my riding style. As I guess the list knows, the K177 is the OEM tire on Gold Wings - many Wing riders upgrade to the Dunlop 491 when they replace their first set to get improved tire life and better wet traction. The 491 is Dunlop's top of the line touring tire. The confusing information on the Dunlop web site lists the 491 as an option for the PC but they don't show the 80 series sizes that come on the PC as being available in the 491. I'm assuming here that readers understand that the "80" part of the tire size is the aspect ratio (i.e. the ratio of sidewall height to tread width). Generally speaking and all else being equal, lower aspect ratios provide a stiffer tire and one which tends to be more performance oriented. Higher aspect ratio tires tend to provide more sidewall flex and consequently a softer ride but less road feel. OK, given that, and the fact that my riding is pretty much touring in nature, why not put 90 series 491s on the PC? Well, the front poses a couple of problems, Firstly, the clearances between the fender and tire are pretty tight on the front and a slightly taller tire just might not fit. Also, a taller front tire would introduce some speedometer error (indicated speed would be less than actual). Secondly, there's not a 491 (at least not listed on the Dunlop site) in the required 17" wheel size. However, the clearances at the rear on the PC are more generous and it's possible one might fit. There is a 491 available in 140/90x15. The approximate difference in radius should be about 14mm which would appear to be "no problem" based on eyeball analysis. The 90 series 491 has the added advantage of a higher maximum load rating of 739lbs vs 677lbs for the 80 series K177 and would effectively raise the final drive ratio by about 5% (i.e. a reduction of about 200 rpms in top gear). We were at my local Dunlop dealer on Saturday to replace the rear tire on Nancy's Nighthawk. One interesting side note, the 491 we put on her bike in the 130/90x16 size has a load rating of 830lbs - the added 1" in wheel diameter makes a big difference in load rating. At any rate, I asked the dealer (who claims to be the largest Dunlop dealer in this area) about fitting a 491 on the rear of the PC. He said he had put 491s on several and that the owners had all been satisfied. His price on a 491 is $98 + $10 m&b. He happened to have a K177 (120/80x17) still on the rack and sold it to me for $68 - less than mail order pricing. Even though I won't need a new front tire for several months, given the demise of the K177 and the bargain price, I just couldn't pass it up (it has a 4/97 birth date). OK, bottom line, unless something better comes along before I need a new rear, I planning to mount a 491 on the PC. Given my current riding plans, I probably won't need tires before Aug/Sept but I'll let the list know how the 491 works out. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 10:32:51 -0700 From: Gail Anundson To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: Re: PC800: tires and the PC800 --------------F1BE41E6B3969A71E92F2BFC Jim Randall wrote: > OK, bottom line, unless something better comes along before I need > a new rear, I planning to mount a 491 on the PC. Given my current > riding > plans, I probably won't need tires before Aug/Sept but I'll let the > list > know how the 491 works out. I will be very interested in seeing how they work out. I used 491s on my BMW and was very happy with the performance. They never slid not even when I took the Reg Pridemore CLASS where I pushed them to the limits in the corners. Regards, Bob > --------------F1BE41E6B3969A71E92F2BFC Content-Description: Card for Gail Anundson begin: vcard fn: Gail Anundson n: Anundson;Gail org: A&W adr: ;;8768 SW Iroquois;Tualatin;Or;97062;USA email;internet: boba@teleport.com title: Principal tel;work: 503 692 7906 tel;fax: 503 692 7906 tel;home: 503 692 2841 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: TRUE end: vcard --------------F1BE41E6B3969A71E92F2BFC-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 16:29:23 -0400 From: radrider To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Hondaline tall windshield While we're on the subject of the tall Hondaline windshield, has anyone come up with a fix for the back pressure problem. I just installed one and noticed it right away. Also, has anyone tried making one shorter by cutting some off the top. I wish mine was two inches shorter. Stan 97 PC 1,376 miles and it just keeps getting better! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 14:03:36 -0700 From: Phil Lewis To: PC800 Group Subject: PC800: Firefly brake light flasher. Some of you have asked me about the Firefly brake light flasher system that I have on my PC. I just bought another one for my Voyager and I've photographed the package so that you'll be able to recognize in your local store (http://hhd.csun.edu/pc/firefly.htm) I bought mine at my dealer. This model was about $90. -- ************* *Phil Lewis * *'90 PC * *"Delta Red"* *So. Cal. * ************* -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (IPAD 2.05) id 2896700 ; Sun, 03 May 1998 17:13:27 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 21:55:22 -0400 From: Scot Piper To: Bryce Ulrich CC: Douglas Ford , PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: Bike needs bath Try Armorall paint protectant. It sprays on and wipes off. Leaves a fantastic high gloss shine! Scot '89 PC800 --------- Bryce Ulrich wrote: > > Soap it up! Using a hose and your favorite soap will be fine. You might > want to get something a bit stronger for the wheels - Simple Green, S100, or > the like applied with a soft bristle brush. Look for a narrow one you can > fit between the alloy "spokes" on the wheels. > > Hot tip: A leaf blower is an excellent way to dry off a bike quickly and > thoroughly. > > -bryceu > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Bryce Ulrich, Kirkland, WA Voicemail: 1-888-403-6454 > Email: bryceu@worldnet.att.net Web: http://home.att.net/~bryceu/ > AMA Life/HRCA/HSTA/STOC 1999 Iron Butt competitor > '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", > '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" > '96 Honda ST1100 ALT "TruST" > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 14:13:59 -0700 From: Phil Lewis To: PC800 Group Subject: Re: PC800: Firefly brake light flasher. I just located the URL for the Firefly. The main company is at http://www.kriss.com. The Firefly, complete with animation, is at http://www.kriss.com/brake001.htm. For those of you who are interested, I hope I've been of some help. Now it's time to ride!! :) Take care, Phil ------------------------- Phil Lewis wrote: > Some of you have asked me about the Firefly brake light > flasher system that I have on my PC. I just bought another > one for my Voyager and I've photographed the package so that > you'll be able to recognize in your local store > (http://hhd.csun.edu/pc/firefly.htm) I bought mine at my > dealer. This model was about $90. > > -- > ************* > *Phil Lewis * > *'90 PC * > *"Delta Red"* > *So. Cal. * > ************* > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- ************* *Phil Lewis * *'90 PC * *"Delta Red"* *So. Cal. * ************* -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: Bike needs bath From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 03 May 1998 17:06:52 -0500 Lines: 9 >>>>> "SP" == Scot Piper writes: SP> Try Armorall paint protectant. It sprays on and wipes off. Leaves a SP> fantastic high gloss shine! But whatever you do, to _not_ get it on the seat. You'll sing an octave higher after your first near-panic stop. - J< -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 23:16:14 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve & Diane Scudder " To: "PC800 Listserve" Subject: PC800: Diane's new bike, PC's first real bath. Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 23:12:00 -0400 Hi all, Just a note FYI, and a request for advice. Tomorrow, we pick up Diane's new bike! She's all excited about it ( her first bike, my gift to her for birthday number 35 ) and is anxious to learn. As yet, there are still no MSF courses close enough to be practical due to some local politics. She'll have to be content as passenger to and from the large parking lots I plan to visit to start her training. She's way too short ( 5' 0" ) for the PC, so it will be nice for her to start on her very own. Her new mount is a 97 Suzuki LS650PV Savage. It's quite an interesting bike: single cylinder, 5-speed, belt drive, cruiser styling and very low seat height ( a must for the Munchkin! ). Does anyone out there have experience with this model? I've had 5 recommendations from other sources and wish to hear from the list as well. This bike became our choice for several reasons and I really think this is the way to go. She fits well on a Honda Rebel 250, but even at the current $1000.00 discount I think $3000.00 is a bit much for the product, let alone the fact that its not really suitable for freeway usage. The Shadow VLX Deluxe is the right height, but the peg placement and airbox cover make it a stretch for her. A Virago 535 fit her as well, but it was a little hefty for her to handle. Here's the best part ( so far ) concerning the Savage: I managed to talk the salesman down $950.00 after asking what his "best price" was ( obviously the best price for him! ) over the course of a week. This is the guy who lost the sale on the PC800 because he wouldn't deal when I wanted to get serious about it. Then, it turn out that Suzuki is crediting certain purchases with $500.00 ( full retail, of course ) worth of accessories! If you get everything they offer for the Savage, the retail price comes to just shy of $500.00, and you are not limited to Suzuki's products. We ordered the engine case guard, windshield, saddlebag protectors, headlight and turn signal visors, saddlebags & fork bag ( with a quite feminine "red rose" theme ). We also got an HJC-90 Chatterbox for her helmet so's we can yack on the road! Once again, anyone with experience on this bike is encouraged to share it. The PC got it's first real bath today. No one can say that they "can't hold their water"! It's finally dry after several hours. I've kept it looking new with wipe-offs , etc., but it was time for the real thing. I used Malm's carnauba on it when I first brought it home and when I hit it with the hose, the dirt just fell off. Malm's is expensive, but worth it! Thanks for being patient enough to read this long message. Steve Scudder greyhound@bizgroup.net How could you not LOVE a Greyhound?! 97 PC800 1528(S)miles Grand Rapids, MI Ps.-On Friday while at the dealership, the purchaser of the PC800 I almost bought back in January showed up to take his new mount home. I introduced myself and told him of this list. Hopefully he will join up and help increase the meager representation here in Michigan. I believe he said his name was John Bertsch. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 23:16:51 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve & Diane Scudder " To: "PC800 Listserve" Subject: PC800: Diane's new bike, PC's first real bath. Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 23:15:04 -0400 Hi all, Just a note FYI, and a request for advice. Tomorrow, we pick up Diane's new bike! She's all excited about it ( her first bike, my gift to her for birthday number 35 ) and is anxious to learn. As yet, there are still no MSF courses close enough to be practical due to some local politics. She'll have to be content as passenger to and from the large parking lots I plan to visit to start her training. She's way too short ( 5' 0" ) for the PC, so it will be nice for her to start on her very own. Her new mount is a 97 Suzuki LS650PV Savage. It's quite an interesting bike: single cylinder, 5-speed, belt drive, cruiser styling and very low seat height ( a must for the Munchkin! ). Does anyone out there have experience with this model? I've had 5 recommendations from other sources and wish to hear from the list as well. This bike became our choice for several reasons and I really think this is the way to go. She fits well on a Honda Rebel 250, but even at the current $1000.00 discount I think $3000.00 is a bit much for the product, let alone the fact that its not really suitable for freeway usage. The Shadow VLX Deluxe is the right height, but the peg placement and airbox cover make it a stretch for her. A Virago 535 fit her as well, but it was a little hefty for her to handle. Here's the best part ( so far ) concerning the Savage: I managed to talk the salesman down $950.00 after asking what his "best price" was ( obviously the best price for him! ) over the course of a week. This is the guy who lost the sale on the PC800 because he wouldn't deal when I wanted to get serious about it. Then, it turns out that Suzuki is crediting certain purchases with $500.00 ( full retail, of course ) worth of accessories! If you get everything they offer for the Savage, the retail price comes to just shy of $500.00, and you are not limited to Suzuki's products. We ordered the engine case guard, windshield, saddlebag protectors, headlight and turn signal visors, saddlebags & fork bag ( with a quite feminine "red rose" theme ). We also got an HJC-90 Chatterbox for her helmet so's we can yack on the road! Once again, anyone with experience on this bike is encouraged to share it. The PC got it's first real bath today. No one can say that they "can't hold their water"! It's finally dry after several hours. I've kept it looking new with wipe-offs , etc., but it was time for the real thing. I used Malm's carnauba on it when I first brought it home and when I hit it with the hose, the dirt just fell off. Malm's is expensive, but worth it! Thanks for being patient enough to read this long message. Steve Scudder greyhound@bizgroup.net How could you not LOVE a Greyhound?! 97 PC800 1528(S)miles Grand Rapids, MI Ps.-On Friday while at the dealership, the purchaser of the PC800 I almost bought back in January showed up to take his new mount home. I introduced myself and told him of this list. Hopefully he will join up and help increase the meager representation here in Michigan. I believe he said his name was John Bertsch. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ThZander Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 05:38:01 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Inner trunk bags Hi ! Who knows something about the inner bag set from Hondaline? Photos?? Experiences? Recommendations?? Thanks Thomas `90 PC 11500 miles of fun -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ChuckQdini Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 06:02:10 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Charging problem, wrench tips, parts request Hello the list: I experienced a sulfur smell/hot battery case/19.5 volt @ 5000 rpm overcharge state after two hours of high- speed interstate travel. I disconnected the harness from the regulator to prevent "cooking" the battery. The local Honda shop tested the battery (for free!) and declared it O.K. I used my shop manual and tested and retested the regulator both cold and when heated with a hair dryer and it showed normal readings. Out of desperation and stubbornness not to become a "parts replacer", I pried the sealed caps off the "maintenance free" battery. I was not surprised to find all cells practically dry. Filled them up with distilled water and put the battery on a trickle charger for 12 hours. Test drove "Scooter' for two hours at 5000-6000 rpm and experienced no battery over-heating. Volts at idle showed normal 12.5 and normal (for a fully charged battery) 12.8 @ 5000 rpm! My diagnosis seconded by the Honda wrench and two other factory trained Harley wrenches is that for reasons unknown (maybe previous owner stored for a long period of time without charging) the electrolyte level dropped. This caused the regulator to fail to "sense" the charge state of the half-filled cells and it churned out maximum charge in an attempt to charge the battery causing the sulfur small and hot battery case. Only time will tell if this theory is correct. I was very lucky to have disconnected the regulator when I did or my battery would have been toast. Honda guy also stated that he has seen many regulators "burn up" under similar circumstances. Wrench tips: 1. Next time you have your left upper side cover off, turn the fuse block around so its facing "forward" and secure it to it's mounting boss with a thick zip tie. This way you can inspect/change fuses by simply removing the maintenance cover. Why Honda put the fuse block on "backwards", I'll never know. Probably the same guy who designed the battery location! 2. A piece of 5/16" fuel hose slipped over the spark plug makes an easy way to insert/remove the plugs by hand without dropping them into the engine shroud. An "extension magnet" will help recover siad dropped plug. :) 3. I installed a set of Spitfire plugs (SF 416D) using anti-seize compound on the threads. Bike seems to start quicker, if that's possible (maybe it's my mind trying to justify the $7.95 per plug!). Will let you know the effect on gas mileage. 4. Repaired some cracks and broken tabs from the previous owner by using ThreeBond, a repair kit purchased at my local Honda dealer. Great stuff, sets up fast and the tabs are holding fine. Next project is to install some VDO gauges when the postman comes. Anybody out there have an extra right side center cover for sale? (It goes under the handlebars). Will be at the Mrytle Beach bike week in the State overflow campground 16-17 May. Riding from Fayetteville,NC to Arkansas and back (with three weeks in Heber Springs area) 19 May to 15 June. Anybody want to meet up for a putt? See y'all at the Hoot (if it's O.K. with the Army)! Enjoy the ride! Chuck Chiodini 89 PC "Scooter" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 06:51:19 -0400 From: Bill McKenna To: "Go Ride NESTOC!" CC: Honda Sport Touring Association , "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: Ducati 750 @$10.com Chance @ a 1997. no miles. benefit animal rescue league.... visit: http://pwshift.com/ncalpets/events.htm I met the folks @ the CT Superide. Promised to pass the word... FWIW Regards, -- Bill McKenna, Augusta Maine, USA Check out the 'Ride for Kids' Page http://www.mint.net/~bmckenna/NERFK.htm Or the Augusta Rotary WCS Project http://www.mint.net/~bmckenna/hanoi -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 04:50:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Scot Piper Subject: PC800: electrical issues To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I have an '89 PC800 that appears to have an electrical problem. It has blown the hot fuse to the stereo (the one to retain time and station memory) twice in 3 days. That's minor. Today the motor started to cut out a couple times on the way to work. The tach was bouncing around quite a bit at that time. Perhaps related - the bike laid on it's side for about an hour Sunday after it fell over in the garage. My fault on that, I left it behind my wife's car and when she tried to move the PC, it fell over. Fortunately no damage to my wife or the bike. I'll be checking the electrical tonight, but if anyone has had a similar experience or has some tips on what to check, please pass on your ideas. I know there are some electrical experts on this list. Thanks. What a bummer on my first problem with the bike. I ordered some of that SAENG Edging and it will be here today. It's supposed to be 71 (in MI?) and sunny today. I was going to cut out of work an hour early to ride and try out the new Edging. Guess I'll have an extra hour to work on the bike now. Personally, I think it's much more fun to ride than to work on bikes... Scot '89 PC800 14,950 miles. -------------- _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 08:26:59 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Inner trunk bags Hi, Thomas: We've got the Hondaline trunk bags on our PCs. They work great. No complaints at all. JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 08:48:23 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: electrical issues Hi, Scot: Your electrical problem (erratic tach, etc.) sounds familiar. Somebody on the list had a similar malady a while back. Unfortunately, I can't remember what the solution was. Hopefully, whoever it was is still on the list and will provide the answer again. Failing that, you might try searching the archives. Good luck! JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 08:57:54 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Inner trunk bags At 5:38 AM -0400 5/4/98, ThZander wrote: >Hi ! > >Who knows something about the inner bag set from Hondaline? Photos?? >Experiences? Recommendations?? > > Thanks Thomas > > I've got them as well. They are a bit thinner than most cordura nylon bags, but that's probably a good thing, since you don't want to have them take up excess room. I really like them when travelling. If you are packing soft articles, clothing, etc, then you can stuff these bags full, and still be guaranteed that they will fit in the trunk. I remember last year when I went to the Honda Homecoming. I walked out of the hotel early in the morning of the last day, popped open the trunk, and dropped in the bags. As I looked around the parking lot, most of the other people were attaching removable hard sided saddlebags, or soft bags, or bungee strapping packsacks, etc. . These bags really reduce the time spent getting ready to go. You could probably find a cheaper substitute than the Hondaline bags, but they wouldn't be the same. I guess what I really liked was that they fit nicely, so I can maximize the space in the trunk. I would recommend them. You might want to check out Cycle Design or Milpitas Honda for a mail order price. I hear there prices are much better than local dealers. (Unless these guys *are* your local dealers!) bye for now... fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bednarski, Bruce R (CAP, RFS)" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "'ThZander'" Subject: RE: PC800: Inner trunk bags Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 09:15:52 -0400 I have them. They are just 2 tall black duffle bags. You could probably get off cheaper and better quality by going to your local sportstore and buy some generic duffle bags. > ---------- > From: ThZander[SMTP:ThZander@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, May 04, 1998 5:38 AM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: Inner trunk bags > > Hi ! > > Who knows something about the inner bag set from Hondaline? Photos?? > Experiences? Recommendations?? > > Thanks Thomas > > `90 PC > 11500 miles of fun > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 08:45:19 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) From: Lee Morris Subject: PC800: Americade '98 Hi Gang: Just wanted to know if anyone out there is bound for Lake George this year. We usually go to the Hoot, but wanted to see Americade this year. We'll be trailering our new PC behind our RV and plan on a grand time for this first Americade experience. Our reservations are at Whippoorwill Campsites in Lake George 6/1-6/7; stop by and say hello if you're there. Regards, Lee & Marcia '97 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 07:43:42 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Steven Arita Subject: Re: PC800: Hondaline tall windshield I bought my PC w/ a Tall Hondaline winshield that the previous owner cut 2 inches. He said he took it to a plastic shop (TAP plastics) and they cut it with beveled edges and rounded corners for ~$50 (that's a bit pricy, but I didn't have to shell it out). Definitely better than the regular Tall shields I've tried. However, I would not recommend cutting it yourself unless you have alot of experience with acrylics. -Steven ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- At 04:29 PM 5/3/98 -0400, you wrote: >While we're on the subject of the tall Hondaline windshield, has anyone >come up with a fix for the back pressure problem. I just installed one >and noticed it right away. Also, has anyone tried making one shorter by >cutting some off the top. I wish mine was two inches shorter. > >Stan >97 PC >1,376 miles and it just keeps getting better! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'pilewis1@concentric.net'" , PC800 Group Subject: RE: PC800: A Little "Color" Fun! Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 23:03:40 -0400 IMO they look like BMW's, especially the blue and yellow. What brand nail polish did you use? Roger > -----Original Message----- > What color would you like to see on a PC!? > > If you're curious, check out > http://hhd.csun.edu/pc/pc_color/pc_color.htm. > > Don't ask me why I did this, just in a crazy mood! (I was > also stuck in the back of a plane for over 4 hours!! :)) > > Take care all, > > Phil > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Hilsinger George To: "'PC800'" Subject: PC800: Clearview Shields Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 09:07:42 -0700 I talked to Leslie at Sport Touring Accessories (http://cashiers.com/~pemble/index.htm) this morning. I asked if Clearview made a replacement shield for the Pacific Coast. She said that they (Sport Touring Accessories) had received a prototype shield to look at, and that production was expected to begin shortly. She is supposed to get back to me with more information on height. She said the cost would probably be $140. I'll let you know when I learn more. George Hilsinger HilsinG@wsdot.wa.gov -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101 Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 12:53:09 EDT To: ThZander@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Inner trunk bags In a message dated 98-05-04 05:38:59 EDT, ThZander@aol.com writes: << Who knows something about the inner bag set from Hondaline? Photos?? Experiences? Recommendations?? >> Well, I bought the ones from RKA luggage instead. A little more expensive, a lot nicer... Even include two little ditty bags that attach to the main bags and fit in the "kink" in the trunk! Regards, <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: PC800: Upcoming Ride: NW Washington State From: Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org (Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council) Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 11:09:56 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu A bunch of us from the Bellingham/Seattle area will be taking off this = upcoming weekend for a ride over the North Cascades Highway - Highway 20 = (also known as the American Alps). We'll be meeting at TJ's Restaurant on = the corner of Forest and Magnolia in Bellingham at 8am, riding down = Chuckanut Drive (Hwy 11) to Burlington, then over on Highway 20 to Eastern = Washington (Winthrop area). We should be on Highway 20 around 10am and we = usually stop at a little Restaurant with a big sign that just says GOOD = FOOD which is up around the Marblemount area. We'll camp out in the = Okanogan valley area and ride back to Bellingham on Sunday. We'll have an unusual assortment of 3 to 5 bikes or so, and you'll see me = with my red '97 PC800 with a small black dog riding up front with me. So if you're in the area and up for a ride, feel free to join us. Greg Torok '97 PC800 1 week old, 580 miles. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 04 May 1998 14:28:03 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 14:27:28 -0400 From: "J. MARK VENABLE" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: Americade '98 I will be at Americade for the 3rd time this year after going to the Hoot instead last year. Just can't seem to fit both rallys into a single year. Riding in the Adirondacks is great and the event is very well run. I will be staying right at Roaring Brook (ground zero) 5/31 - 6/7. Don Mackie floated an idea about organizing a PC get together. I hadn't gotten around to answering his post - but I think some sort of gathering would be fun. Hey Don, still offering? Any other PC'ers headed to Americade? regards Mark Venable '90 PC "This End Up" Lee and Marcia wrote: >Hi Gang: >Just wanted to know if anyone out there is bound for Lake George this year. >We usually go to the Hoot, but wanted to see Americade this year. We'll be >trailering our new PC behind our RV and plan on a grand time for this first >Americade experience. >Our reservations are at Whippoorwill Campsites in Lake George 6/1-6/7; stop >by and say hello if you're there. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 14:50:02 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Americade '98 At 2:27 PM -0400 5/4/98, J. MARK VENABLE wrote: >I will be at Americade for the 3rd time this year after going to the Hoot >instead last year. > >Any other PC'ers headed to Americade? > >regards >Mark Venable Hey everyone. I'll be there from Wednesday to Saturday, inclusive, but I'll be staying up in Ticonderoga, about 30 miles north. It's all I could find when I finally got around to booking. I was speaking with a past PC800 member, who has since moved on to an ST1100. He is planning on going, as well as the person he sold his PC too ! (An '89) I've signed up for, but not yet received confirmation for, a tour of Vermont's covered bridges on Thursday, and a boat cruise/bar-b-cue Friday night. Maybe those PC's attending can get together on Saturday a.m.? Is someone willing to take the plunge and try to organize us? I'd do it, but I've never been to Lake George, and probably couldn't figure out a good place to meet. Also, I thought there were rumours that Bryce, the man with no fixed address, was going to swing by Americade this year. Are you out there Bryce? fsl bye for now.... fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Greg Eyrich" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: '90 For Sale Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 13:54:31 PDT Saw this in the local Sacramento Paper: HONDA '90 Pacific Coast 800cc, exc cond, low mi., $2700/ofr. (916) 652-6802 See: http://www.sacbee.com/classads/ads/today/1020.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Dawn Wells" To: "pc800" Subject: PC800: RE: Americade meeting Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 20:04:23 -0400 I will be at Americade from mon to wed only - if anyone else is going to = be there at that time why dont we meet in front of the bowling alley = next to the holiday inn at 5 o clock tues afternoon? = Greg Wells = 97 pc800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 20:18:17 -0400 From: radrider To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Inner trunk bags I just bought a set, sight unseen, by mail order. I was very underwhelmed. They weren't a lot of money but they're not a lot of bag. They're small (thin) and you'd be hard pressed to pack enough for a very long trip. Stan 97 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 20:22:29 -0400 From: radrider To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, Dawn Wells Subject: Re: PC800: RE: Americade meeting I'll be there Monday thru Wednesday also. If there is a consensus I'll try to be there. Stan 97 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 20:24:20 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Donald Mackie Subject: PC800: Americade PC Gathering Mark and other PC'ers attending Americade: Yea, I think it would be terrific to get together. Right now I plan to be at my second home on Lake St. Catherine, VT (Poultney/Wells), about a 35 mile drive from Lake George, on Monday evening(6/1) and will be attending Americade on Tuesday (6/2). I have to return to the Boston area sometime on Wednesday, but if things are really hopping perhaps I can return on Friday evening for the weekend. Tuesday evening would be my suggestion for a festive gathering, with Saturday (6/6) a possibility. People are welcome to stay over for the evening on a space available basis (I also have plenty of room for campers). Any interest out there? Incidentally, the biking (both motor and pedal) in VT is probably as good as it gets in New England (and the country for that matter). Lots of beautiful 2 lane roads through valleys and mountains with white-steepled towns never too far away--and no traffic. I have some recommended routes for those who want to explore east of the Adirondacks in VT and beyond. >I will be at Americade for the 3rd time this year after going to the Hoot >instead last year. Just can't seem to fit both rallys into a single year. >Riding in the Adirondacks is great and the event is very well run. I will be >staying right at Roaring Brook (ground zero) 5/31 - 6/7. Don Mackie floated >an idea about organizing a PC get together. I hadn't gotten around to >answering his post - but I think some sort of gathering would be fun. > >Hey Don, still offering? > >Any other PC'ers headed to Americade? > >regards >Mark Venable >'90 PC "This End Up" > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 20:14:33 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Doug Subject: PC800: Americade Duh Hate to appear dumb, but when and where is the Americade? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'radrider@gis.net'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Inner trunk bags Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 21:18:33 -0400 You can pack enough in those bags so you can't close the trunk. If you have any problems doing it, I can send my wife over to instruct you.:-) I haven't seen the RKA bags. Roger > -----Original Message----- > From: radrider [SMTP:radrider@gis.net] > Sent: Monday, May 04, 1998 8:18 PM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: PC800: Inner trunk bags > > I just bought a set, sight unseen, by mail order. I was very > underwhelmed. They weren't a lot of money but they're not a lot of > bag. They're small (thin) and you'd be hard pressed to pack enough > for > a very long trip. > > Stan > 97 PC > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m28.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id V_V09324; Mon, 04 May 1998 21:33:33 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: lamorris@lakeozarks.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 20:22:48 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Americade '98 From: swift24@juno.com (John D Louk) On Mon, 4 May 1998 08:45:19 -0500 Lee Morris writes: . >We'll be >trailering our new PC behind our RV and plan on a grand time for this >first >Americade experience. Uh oh, it sounds like you have been watching too many Gold Wing and Harley owners (notice I said owners, not riders) trailering their mounts to assorted "riding venues". Ya gotta break that habit! John Louk Carmel, IN '90 PC "Ruby" _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 21:43:54 -0400 To: Doug , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Americade At 8:14 PM -0500 5/4/98, Doug wrote: >Duh >Hate to appear dumb, but when and where is the Americade? > Lake George, New York, from June 1-6, 19eb page at http://www.tourexpo.com/main.htm . fsl ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Francois Saint Laurent Borg Consulting Ottawa, Canada mailto:fsl@borgconsulting.com "Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PLeray Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 21:42:50 EDT To: radrider@gis.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Inner trunk bags My kiddo's school backpack (knapsack) fits just dandy. And believe me, he can put a LOT of stuff in that bag! Must weigh the full 20# limit! That's what we're gonna use this summer. Patrick -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:57:50 +0800 (HKT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: VR2XVI Subject: PC800: Trunk Spoiler reproduction update - 1 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:57:50 +0800 (HKT) Hi PC listers, Collected the prototype trunk top spoiler last night, will try fit onto a PC later today. It came as "primer only" but actually there has no primer, or any filling materials then I can inspect for molding defects and the finishing as well. The surfaces of the spoiler is smooth, although it was right off from the molding, very impressive. The prototype is a true reproduction of the HONDALINE ones, ie no LEDs by now. As KK got confirmation from me after the try fit, they'll modify the molding so as to accept a 28 pcs. LED bar. These will take another 7-10 days to see the final products. Right now I'm working on the name list who showed their interests in this project, let me know if anyone of you want to join us. Hey, anybody from the Netherlands? p.s. KK also offered an option of real graphite finishing, instead of color matching painting. He just showed me the carbon cloth, and need some time to check out the cost for doing so. -- ************************************************************************* * Philips Wong, Colonial Special Constabulary Medal * * Vice Chairman, Safe Riders (HK) Association * * GWRRA Hong Kong Chapter (proposed) * * * * VR2XVI <-- HAM '95 GL1500SE Candy Red <-- the flooded bike * * PCA420 <-- Hong Kong '84 GL1200A 2 tone beige <-- the chromed bike * * Aux Police '90 PC800 Candy Red <-- My little Wing * * 101177 <-- GWRRA CBX750 Police Edition <-- Muscle! * * * * Commissioner Maxwell, Hong Kong Police, 1959 : * * " I have the honour to be, Sir, your obedient servant! " * * * ************************************************************************* * Will work for gas and chrome, I have 2 Wings, and a baby Wing at home * ************************************************************************* -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 04 May 1998 20:52:20 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 20:43:12 -0600 From: "Rich Stucky" To: ChuckQdini@aol.COM, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Charging problem Chuck, et al, Your charging problems sound similar to mine except in my case, it appears = the regulator increased output until a power surge fried the CDI box, = including all fuses and light bulbs of everything that was on at the time. = I'm still trying to confirm this is indeed what happened and if you = could ask your Honda mechanic if he's ever seen this I'd appreciate the = information. A word of warning to all, never try to nurse a tired battery along. If it = fails to hold a charge, extending it's useful life by putting it on a = trickle charger can cost a lot more than a new battery----- to the tune = of $6-800.00. Second piece of advice, the PC needs a voltmeter. Get = one. Rich Richard Stucky Novell Business Development Group Voice: 801-222-4466 Fax: 801-222-4474=20 Email: rstucky@novell.com >>> ChuckQdini 05/04/98 04:02AM >>> Hello the list: I experienced a sulfur smell/hot battery case/19.5 volt @ 5000 rpm = overcharge state after two hours of high- speed interstate travel. I disconnected the harness from the regulator to prevent "cooking" the battery. The local = Honda shop tested the battery (for free!) and declared it O.K. I used my shop = manual and tested and retested the regulator both cold and when heated with a = hair dryer and it showed normal readings. Out of desperation and stubbornness = not to become a "parts replacer", I pried the sealed caps off the "maintenance free" battery. I was not surprised to find all cells practically dry. = Filled them up with distilled water and put the battery on a trickle charger for = 12 hours. Test drove "Scooter' for two hours at 5000-6000 rpm and experienced = no battery over-heating. Volts at idle showed normal 12.5 and normal (for a = fully charged battery) 12.8 @ 5000 rpm! My diagnosis seconded by the Honda = wrench and two other factory trained Harley wrenches is that for reasons unknown (maybe previous owner stored for a long period of time without charging) = the electrolyte level dropped. This caused the regulator to fail to "sense" = the charge state of the half-filled cells and it churned out maximum charge in = an attempt to charge the battery causing the sulfur small and hot battery = case. Only time will tell if this theory is correct. I was very lucky to have disconnected the regulator when I did or my battery would have been toast. Honda guy also stated that he has seen many regulators "burn up" under = similar circumstances. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ray Boatwright Jr" To: "PC 800" Subject: PC800: New PC owner Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 23:01:15 -0500 Hi Ray Boatwright 1997 PC New Jacksonville FL only mod so far Stealth Edging on windshield. Looking for other Rider in my area. Ray -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (IPAD 2.05) id 3966800 ; Mon, 04 May 1998 23:05:23 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 23:10:20 -0400 From: Scot Piper To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: electrical update I checked over all the wiring and fuses tonight. Could not find anything wrong. Changed the hot fuse to the stereo, and went for a ride. No problems at all. Strange. Has anyone with a factory stereo had problems with blown hot fuses (orange line)? Scot '89 PC800 no SAENG Edging today, maybe tomorrow... ----------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m3.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id X^L13251; Mon, 04 May 1998 23:36:03 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: ThZander@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 19:45:41 -0700 Subject: Re: PC800: Inner trunk bags From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy) I bought a set when I bought my '90 PC new in "92. Never use them. They're way overpriced. Although they don't carry them anymore, I bought a bag from Lands End for $20 that is twice the bag by any measure (quality, looks, features) that Honda sells. My advice is to look around for some soft luggage overnighters that will fit. Richard Hardy On Mon, 4 May 1998 05:38:01 EDT ThZander writes: >Hi ! > >Who knows something about the inner bag set from Hondaline? Photos?? >Experiences? Recommendations?? > > Thanks Thomas > >`90 PC >11500 miles of fun >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 22:46:08 -0700 From: Phil Lewis To: scotp1965@mdn.net CC: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: electrical update Scot Piper wrote: > I checked over all the wiring and fuses tonight. Could not find > anything wrong. Changed the hot fuse to the stereo, and went for a > ride. No problems at all. Strange. Has anyone with a factory stereo > had problems with blown hot fuses (orange line)? > > Scot > '89 PC800 > no SAENG Edging today, maybe tomorrow... I haven't had any problems with mine and I've had it for over 3 years. It was installed by the dealer/previous owner. Phil -- ************* *Phil Lewis * *'90 PC * *"Delta Red"* *So. Cal. * ************* -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 22:58:02 -0700 From: Phil Lewis To: Jeff Knights CC: PC800 Group Subject: PC800: Re: Tenzo driving lights! Hi Jeff! I don't think you sent the message below to the PC list, so I'm cc:ing it for you. Glad to see you're still around!! :) Do we still get a discount on the Tenzo lights? I've had several PCer's ask me about it. Take it easy, Phil ------------------------------------------------ Jeff Knights wrote: > Thanks for the refrence Phil !!! > > I'm still alive !!! > > Oh, Here's another killler deal for your PC list... > > Hey boys and girls ! Jeff here, I've come across a sweet deal that I > thought the list might benefit from .... > A friend of mine has offered a wholesale price on the cordless Escort Solo 4 > radar/laser to anyone on the VFR list that is interested...I still don't > know how many he'll let me sell to the list, BUT.... I can wholesale these > for $100 each plus $4 for priority shipping... > > Brand new... $104 SHIPPED !! > Is anyone interested? LET ME KNOW !!! > Jeff Knights, Fellow VFR Pilot (THE SUN'S OUT !!!!) > ******************************************************* > * For Sale * > * 1995 Suzuki GSXR-750ws $5200 firm * > * And maybe my * > * 1986 VFR-750FG also ! * > ************************************************** -- ************* *Phil Lewis * *'90 PC * *"Delta Red"* *So. Cal. * ************* -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for PC800@hpc.uh.edu; Tue, 5 May 1998 05:38:10 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 05:37:54 -0400 From: Albert M Lerner Subject: PC800: Saeng edging To: PC800 List I'm considering the purchase of Saeng edging for my '94 PC's Rifle windshield. My purpose is to reduce or eliminate wind noise so my CB reception is intelligible over 45 mph. Can anyone tell me whether the edging will in fact accomplish the noise reduction I need; further, is th= e edging removable without marring or damaging the windshield? Bram Lerner '94 PC, The Phantom -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Tue, 5 May 1998 09:52:03 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bryce Ulrich" To: "Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council" , Subject: RE: PC800: Upcoming Ride: NW Washington State Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 02:50:01 -0700 Importance: Normal I'm planning the same trip on Saturday as well. I'll be in a group of 4 to 5 Wings and BMW's but will be headed over the hill a few hours early. We intend to be the first ones over the hill so no chance of having some silly car get in the way and spoil the fun. Maybe we'll run into each other in Winthrop. I'll be riding 2-up on my red VFR. The little lady insisted on it. -bryceu ----------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich, Kirkland, WA Voicemail: 1-888-403-6454 Email: bryceu@worldnet.att.net Web: http://home.att.net/~bryceu/ AMA Life/HRCA/HSTA/STOC 1999 Iron Butt competitor '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" '96 Honda ST1100 ALT "TruST" ----------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu] On Behalf Of Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council Sent: Monday, May 04, 1998 11:10 AM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Upcoming Ride: NW Washington State A bunch of us from the Bellingham/Seattle area will be taking off this upcoming weekend for a ride over the North Cascades Highway - Highway 20 (also known as the American Alps). We'll be meeting at TJ's Restaurant on the corner of Forest and Magnolia in Bellingham at 8am, riding down Chuckanut Drive (Hwy 11) to Burlington, then over on Highway 20 to Eastern Washington (Winthrop area). We should be on Highway 20 around 10am and we usually stop at a little Restaurant with a big sign that just says GOOD FOOD which is up around the Marblemount area. We'll camp out in the Okanogan valley area and ride back to Bellingham on Sunday. We'll have an unusual assortment of 3 to 5 bikes or so, and you'll see me with my red '97 PC800 with a small black dog riding up front with me. So if you're in the area and up for a ride, feel free to join us. Greg Torok '97 PC800 1 week old, 580 miles. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 07:09:20 -0400 From: radrider To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "Prince, Roger" Subject: Re: PC800: Inner trunk bags I get enough instruction from mine thank you. When I travel it's usually for a week or two and I guess I don't travel light. My last trip was three weeks in duration and I know I couldn't take what I need in those two bags Stan 97 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 04:43:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Scot Piper Subject: PC800: more head scratching To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu It did it again! My '89 PC800 blew the stereo fuse on the way to work this morning. I was riding along about 55, only 6-7 miles from home, and the bike coughed once and blew the fuse. It coughed one other time on the way to work about 5 miles later. Feels like a miss in the fuel system, but I'm 99% sure it's electrical. I'm afraid I'll have to take it to the dealer since I could not find anything wrong after checking all the lines last night. I'm fairly certain one of the wires is shorted, or coming apart when being bounced. I'll have to look at my electrical diagram to see which wires are suspects. I don't think it's a grounding problem. I do not have any other electrical problems with the PC800. All other electrical components work fine. I was thinking it was something in the stereo system, but it's definitely effecting the engine too, and it's not effecting any other eletrical components. Well, perhaps it is... The fuse that blows is only 1 amp (technically it's rated for a 0.5 amp, but the smallest I could find is 1 amp). So the smallest fuse is blowing first and so far none of the others have blown. I guess time to visit the dealer. :-( Scot '89 PC800 -------------- _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'Scot Piper'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: more head scratching Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 08:10:56 -0400 Does the "cough" occur only when the stereo is connected/on? > -----Original Message----- > From: Scot Piper [SMTP:sapiper@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 1998 7:44 AM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: more head scratching > > It did it again! My '89 PC800 blew the stereo fuse on the way to work > this morning. I was riding along about 55, only 6-7 miles from home, > and the bike coughed once and blew the fuse. It coughed one other time > on the way to work about 5 miles later. Feels like a miss in the fuel > system, but I'm 99% sure it's electrical. I'm afraid I'll have to > take it to the dealer since I could not find anything wrong after > checking all the lines last night. I'm fairly certain one of the > wires is shorted, or coming apart when being bounced. I'll have to > look at my electrical diagram to see which wires are suspects. I > don't think it's a grounding problem. I do not have any other > electrical problems with the PC800. All other electrical components > work fine. I was thinking it was something in the stereo system, but > it's definitely effecting the engine too, and it's not effecting any > other eletrical components. Well, perhaps it is... The fuse that > blows is only 1 amp (technically it's rated for a 0.5 amp, but the > smallest I could find is 1 amp). So the smallest fuse is blowing > first and so far none of the others have blown. I guess time to visit > the dealer. :-( > > Scot > '89 PC800 > -------------- > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 05:18:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Scot Piper Subject: RE: PC800: more head scratching To: "Prince, Roger" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu The the first time the cough occured, it blew the fuse. I kept riding and got another cough. When I got to work, I popped the trunk and the stereo still had power to the clock, but apparently not to the stereo as there was no sound and the stereo controls didn't work at all. The red line fuse is still good, as is the ground. Perhaps I should try disconnecting the stereo (doesn't look easy) and see if I still get the coughing. But I'd rather ride than work on it. Perhaps I can get in to the dealer today to have it checked. :-) Scot ---"Prince, Roger" wrote: > > Does the "cough" occur only when the stereo is connected/on? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Scot Piper [SMTP:sapiper@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 1998 7:44 AM > > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > > Subject: PC800: more head scratching > > > > It did it again! My '89 PC800 blew the stereo fuse on the way to work > > this morning. I was riding along about 55, only 6-7 miles from home, > > and the bike coughed once and blew the fuse. It coughed one other time > > on the way to work about 5 miles later. Feels like a miss in the fuel > > system, but I'm 99% sure it's electrical. I'm afraid I'll have to > > take it to the dealer since I could not find anything wrong after > > checking all the lines last night. I'm fairly certain one of the > > wires is shorted, or coming apart when being bounced. I'll have to > > look at my electrical diagram to see which wires are suspects. I > > don't think it's a grounding problem. I do not have any other > > electrical problems with the PC800. All other electrical components > > work fine. I was thinking it was something in the stereo system, but > > it's definitely effecting the engine too, and it's not effecting any > > other eletrical components. Well, perhaps it is... The fuse that > > blows is only 1 amp (technically it's rated for a 0.5 amp, but the > > smallest I could find is 1 amp). So the smallest fuse is blowing > > first and so far none of the others have blown. I guess time to visit > > the dealer. :-( > > > > Scot > > '89 PC800 > > -------------- > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 07:34:49 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) From: Lee Morris Subject: PC800: Americade '98 After seeing some of the postings on the list re: a get-together, I know there will be problems with other commitments, etc. For us, a Tues. gathering at 5 p.m. won't work because of the HRCA Boat Cruise that we signed up for (at that time). Another suggestion for those that will be available on Saturday: Meet at 7 a.m. at the GWTA send-off breakfast at Lk. Geo HS (in the parking lot). Have breakfast together (We didn't sign up for this, but probably can get in). After breakfast, do the Parade as a PC GROUP and ?? after that. Lee & Marcia '97 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'Scot Piper'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: more head scratching Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 08:37:00 -0400 If the stereo was installed "correctly" per Honda wouldn't it use the accessory plug that's under the seat near the battery? Just disconnect it there? > -----Original Message----- > From: Scot Piper [SMTP:sapiper@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 1998 8:18 AM > To: Prince, Roger; pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: RE: PC800: more head scratching > > The the first time the cough occured, it blew the fuse. I kept riding > and got another cough. When I got to work, I popped the trunk and the > stereo still had power to the clock, but apparently not to the stereo > as there was no sound and the stereo controls didn't work at all. The > red line fuse is still good, as is the ground. Perhaps I should try > disconnecting the stereo (doesn't look easy) and see if I still get > the coughing. But I'd rather ride than work on it. Perhaps I can get > in to the dealer today to have it checked. :-) > > Scot > > > > ---"Prince, Roger" wrote: > > > > Does the "cough" occur only when the stereo is connected/on? > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ernie.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id IAA00394 for ; Tue, 05 May 1998 08:29:14 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Inner trunk bags Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 08:31:21 -0700 The Rider Wearhouse large courier bag is a great fit for the PC trunk. (So are many Knapsacks.) Both have the advantage of shoulder carry if you suddenly need the trunk for something else. Todd Vierheller > -----Original Message----- > From: rahardy@juno.com [SMTP:rahardy@juno.com] > Sent: Monday, May 04, 1998 19:46 > To: ThZander@aol.com > Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: PC800: Inner trunk bags > > I bought a set when I bought my '90 PC new in "92. Never use them. > They're way overpriced. Although they don't carry them anymore, I > bought > a bag from Lands End for $20 that is twice the bag by any measure > (quality, looks, features) that Honda sells. My advice is to look > around > for some soft luggage overnighters that will fit. > > Richard Hardy > > On Mon, 4 May 1998 05:38:01 EDT ThZander writes: > >Hi ! > > > >Who knows something about the inner bag set from Hondaline? Photos?? > >Experiences? Recommendations?? > > > > Thanks Thomas > > > >`90 PC > >11500 miles of fun > >-- > >Visit the PC800 web page at > >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > > >a > >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 08:34:48 -0700 From: Alan Taylor To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: [Fwd: Dunlop Cycle Comment Form: Questions about tires] --------------B06F30F9137B5CC2558C3793 Hi all! Dunlop finally responded with some official info on the k177. Here it is: --------------B06F30F9137B5CC2558C3793 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 05 May 98 10:35:10 EST From: DWeb1@SMTPGwy.dunloptire.com (Web1, Dunlop) To: ka2wij@earthlink.net Subject: Re: Dunlop Cycle Comment Form: Questions about tires The Dunlop K177 is a discontinued product. The only Dunlop tire available for the Honda PC800 will be the Dunlop K555. However, the K177 is still available in limited supply. ka2wij@earthlink.net AT INTERNET_MAIL on 04/17/98 01:00:26 AM To: Dunlop Web1 cc: Subject: Dunlop Cycle Comment Form: Questions about tires Sending Host: 1cust101.tnt4.long-beach.ca.da.uu.net Web Server: www.dunloptire.com email = ka2wij@earthlink.net message = There is a large Honda PC800 mailing list, and various rumors are floating around about the imminent demise of the K177 for that bike. Supposedly, they are now only available through honda dealers and will soon be replaced by a redesigned k555. Your Fitment guide shows the k177 as an alternate for the PC800, but the page on the k177 (491) doesn't list the PC800 sizes. Can you give me some straight info that i can share with the list? Alan name = Alan Taylor return = http://www.dunloptire.com/dunlop/cycle/thanks.html source = Dunlop Cycle Comment Form source-url = http://www.dunloptire.com/cycle/feedback.html subject = Questions about tires WWW Browser Client: Mozilla/4.04 [en] (Win95; I) WWW Browser Host: End Of Message --------------B06F30F9137B5CC2558C3793-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 08:35:06 -0700 From: Alan Taylor To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: [Fwd: Dunlop Cycle Comment Form: Questions about tires] --------------58D91D0ECC4CDFB0C9CBD708 Hi all! Dunlop finally responded with some official info on the k177. Here it is: --------------58D91D0ECC4CDFB0C9CBD708 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 05 May 98 10:35:10 EST From: DWeb1@SMTPGwy.dunloptire.com (Web1, Dunlop) To: ka2wij@earthlink.net Subject: Re: Dunlop Cycle Comment Form: Questions about tires The Dunlop K177 is a discontinued product. The only Dunlop tire available for the Honda PC800 will be the Dunlop K555. However, the K177 is still available in limited supply. ka2wij@earthlink.net AT INTERNET_MAIL on 04/17/98 01:00:26 AM To: Dunlop Web1 cc: Subject: Dunlop Cycle Comment Form: Questions about tires Sending Host: 1cust101.tnt4.long-beach.ca.da.uu.net Web Server: www.dunloptire.com email = ka2wij@earthlink.net message = There is a large Honda PC800 mailing list, and various rumors are floating around about the imminent demise of the K177 for that bike. Supposedly, they are now only available through honda dealers and will soon be replaced by a redesigned k555. Your Fitment guide shows the k177 as an alternate for the PC800, but the page on the k177 (491) doesn't list the PC800 sizes. Can you give me some straight info that i can share with the list? Alan name = Alan Taylor return = http://www.dunloptire.com/dunlop/cycle/thanks.html source = Dunlop Cycle Comment Form source-url = http://www.dunloptire.com/cycle/feedback.html subject = Questions about tires WWW Browser Client: Mozilla/4.04 [en] (Win95; I) WWW Browser Host: End Of Message --------------58D91D0ECC4CDFB0C9CBD708-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:49:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Scot Piper Subject: PC800: wanted: dilithium crystals To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Definitely not bad gas. My PC800 just died at lunch. I could barely keep the motor running to get back to work after only riding 2 miles down the road and back. The tach was showing 7000+ and bouncing all over the place. When I made it back and shut the PC off, there was no power whatsoever. No headlight, blinkers, nothing. I called the dealer. He has an opening next Tuesday... I've got one other dealer to call. Funny thing is, there is a Honda dealer just 5 miles from my house, but I doubt he even knows what a PC800 is. Surprising Honda doesn't have a better audit system of who they allow to sell/service their bikes. Will keep you posted. I've got to go get a loan approval before I take the bike. Actually, it might be cheaper to pick up one of those leftover '97 models... Scot '89 PC800 ---------- _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Thomas Brown" To: "Scot Piper" , Subject: RE: PC800: electrical issues Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:03:42 -0700 Importance: Normal I admit to no electrical expertise the following is pure speculation I have an 89 PC800 @ 32000 miles. I have recently (in the past 2 months) replaced the stator, and am now in the process of replacing the regulator/rectifier. I believe that most all electrical problems with the 89 PC800 can be traced back to the regulator/rectifier (including the blown stator insulation). Any variances in voltage should necessitate a test of the of the r/r. Examples of variances (from the archives): 1. modulation of headlight intensity (without a modulator of course) 2. battery overcharge 3. battery undercharge 4. slow starting 5. blown fuses (could indicate electrical spikes) 6. blown dash lights 7. blown CDI box Honda has redesigned the regulator/rectifier (to a point where the service manual test no longer work) and I believe this to be an indication of past fault (of course we'll never be able to get them to admit to this). I would be interested on any feedback about this speculation (pro and con) Thanks tom > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of > Scot Piper > Sent: Monday, May 04, 1998 4:50 AM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: electrical issues > > > I have an '89 PC800 that appears to have an electrical problem. It > has blown the hot fuse to the stereo (the one to retain time and > station memory) twice in 3 days. That's minor. Today the motor > started to cut out a couple times on the way to work. The tach was > bouncing around quite a bit at that time. Perhaps related - the bike > laid on it's side for about an hour Sunday after it fell over in the > garage. My fault on that, I left it behind my wife's car and when she > tried to move the PC, it fell over. Fortunately no damage to my wife > or the bike. > > I'll be checking the electrical tonight, but if anyone has had a > similar experience or has some tips on what to check, please pass on > your ideas. I know there are some electrical experts on this list. > Thanks. > > What a bummer on my first problem with the bike. I ordered some of > that SAENG Edging and it will be here today. It's supposed to be 71 > (in MI?) and sunny today. I was going to cut out of work an hour > early to ride and try out the new Edging. Guess I'll have an extra > hour to work on the bike now. Personally, I think it's much more fun > to ride than to work on bikes... > > Scot > '89 PC800 > 14,950 miles. > -------------- > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 10:54:59 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Steven Arita Subject: Re: PC800: wanted: dilithium crystals I'm in agreement with T. Brown. But since I don't believe Honda will 'fix' the problem for a low volume, relatively-low priced product (imagine what Honda would do if this happened to Honda Accords!), I can live with the ~$300 (and a few hours) it cost me to fix, especially since PC prices are at an all time low (new and used). If it was, say, a poorly designed chain tensioner that caused valve/piston contact, I'd be alot more upset. Instead, I'd rather channel my energies by helping/advising anyone how to fix this easily-remedied problem. Drop me a line if you are tackling this problem. I just fixed mine with pretty good results. -Steven ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- >Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 10:33:17 -0700 >To: Scot Piper >From: Steven Arita >Subject: Re: PC800: wanted: dilithium crystals > >Scot- > >Same thing happened to me two weeks ago (at work). Have you changed your stator? >Apparently, many '89s have a problem with their 'alternator'. It was >so prevalent that nobody even responded when I posted my symptoms, so >I checked the achieves and found the problem (sort of). > >Two things are problematic with the '89s electric system: the stator/alternator >and the regulator. From my understanding the stator goes out more frequently >than the regulator. So I removed the stator and it was corroded as people >have described previously. At that time, I decided to replace both because >I use the bike for commuting and I could not go without for too long. >Since I was doing the installation myself, I saved quite a bit of $$. People >have been paying ~$500-$600. With the internet coupon from Milpitas of Honda, I got both for $300. It took me a couple of hours to remove and inspect and another >couple to reinstall. The installation is quite simple if you have patience >and you only needs simple tools (a couple of sockets and an allen wrench). >You will also need a gasket for the stator cover, but the original was in such great >shape I used the old one (not recommended; I was just lazy in removing the >old one). So far no leaks. I'm no mechanic (an analyst) so that tells you >the level of difficulty. > >I hope this helps you out. > >-Steven >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >At 09:49 AM 5/5/98 -0700, you wrote: >>Definitely not bad gas. My PC800 just died at lunch. I could barely >>keep the motor running to get back to work after only riding 2 miles >>down the road and back. The tach was showing 7000+ and bouncing all >>over the place. When I made it back and shut the PC off, there was no >>power whatsoever. No headlight, blinkers, nothing. I called the >>dealer. He has an opening next Tuesday... I've got one other dealer >>to call. Funny thing is, there is a Honda dealer just 5 miles from my >>house, but I doubt he even knows what a PC800 is. Surprising Honda >>doesn't have a better audit system of who they allow to sell/service >>their bikes. >> >>Will keep you posted. I've got to go get a loan approval before I >>take the bike. Actually, it might be cheaper to pick up one of those >>leftover '97 models... >> >>Scot >>'89 PC800 > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 14:00:32 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Saeng edging Hi, Albert: The SAENG edging gives me 1.5 to 2 inches of extra height in the "calm" air envelope. If that is all you need, then it should do the trick for you. If you need more, then . . . . The edging can be removed easily, but it can leave minor marks (not really scratches) on the plastic where the little "grippers" squeeze the hardest. I suspect that these marks would come off easily with an acryllic shield like the Rifle. With the coated polycabonate Hondaline shield, getting the marks off might not be so easy. I've not tried it in either case. JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 14:00:29 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Inner trunk bags Hi, Stan: I think Roger's point is that if you can't get whatever you want to take in the Hondaline bags, then you can't get them in the trunk (regardless of the inner bags you select). I second that notion; the Hondaline bags hold as much as the trunk will hold (and then some). As others have pointed out, you can find bags with better "features" and for less money, but you can't buy a bag that will increase the size of the trunk. I take long trips too, and I can always get enough clothes in the bags to last me 2 or 3 weeks (especially if I plan to do a load of laundry after a couple of weeks). The overflow (rainsuit, bike cover, extra gloves, briefcase, computer, printer, whatever) has to find a place outside the trunk. My "overflow" is in the form of an Eclipse tank bag and saddle pack. There are other solutions, of course. JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: DJewsb Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 14:02:07 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: 97 PC800 FWIW Sun Honda in Denver is running an ad for a new 97 PC800 for $5695.00 Phone 303-287-7566 Doug Jewsbury 97 PC 800mi. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 13:42:45 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 13:31:35 -0500 From: jgeistlubtx@door.net (geist, james) To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: They can hear me now!! Hi list. The Austin trip was great although I did have kinda a close call. When I was going through Austin on Ben White Blvd, some lady in a cage thought she wanted both lanes. (Mine and her's)....The more I *Beeped* my horn, the closer she got. I was just about to put my foot in her door when she figured out what she was doing. The little horn I had WAS just tooooo weak. This morning I installed a set of dual air horn's. WOW! These horns really make some noise. Sound's like just like one of those "18 wheelers". I feel much safer knowing I can get someone's attention if I need to. Installation took some figuring, but I'm very pleased with the results. Nothing show's. (Wire, horn's, air compressor, air hose) I removed the dash trim w/ the speaker cut-outs to gain access to mount the dual horns. There are no speakers on my bike, so it made it pretty easy. I had to mount the air compressor in the area where the brake light wire harness is. Just in front of the trunk. (left side). I was concerned that the distance between the air compressor and the horns might cause a delay . No delay. Instant LOUD noise. Way cool. If you haven't replaced your OEM horn, really think about changing. It's a little money well spent. I'll shut-now. Later. James -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'DJewsb'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: 97 PC800 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 15:00:56 -0400 How much did you pay? > -----Original Message----- > From: DJewsb [SMTP:DJewsb@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 1998 2:02 PM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: 97 PC800 > > FWIW Sun Honda in Denver is running an ad for a new 97 PC800 for > $5695.00 > Phone 303-287-7566 > > Doug Jewsbury > 97 PC > 800mi. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 05 May 1998 13:07:15 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 10:19:00 -0600 From: "Rich Stucky" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, RPrince@imps0014.us.dg.com, sapiper@yahoo.com Subject: Re: RE: PC800: more head scratching Scott, When my bike had the power surge problem I experienced a momentary loss of = power, lost the stereo (and apparently lights), engine power came back, = then a moment later was completely gone. If you have some time on your = battery you may want to look at replacing it.... Rich Richard Stucky Novell Business Development Group Voice: 801-222-4466 Fax: 801-222-4474=20 Email: rstucky@novell.com >>> Scot Piper 05/05/98 06:18AM >>> The the first time the cough occured, it blew the fuse. I kept riding and got another cough. When I got to work, I popped the trunk and the stereo still had power to the clock, but apparently not to the stereo as there was no sound and the stereo controls didn't work at all. The red line fuse is still good, as is the ground. Perhaps I should try disconnecting the stereo (doesn't look easy) and see if I still get the coughing. But I'd rather ride than work on it. Perhaps I can get in to the dealer today to have it checked. :-)=20 Scot ---"Prince, Roger" wrote: > > Does the "cough" occur only when the stereo is connected/on? >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Scot Piper [SMTP:sapiper@yahoo.com]=20 > > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 1998 7:44 AM > > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu=20 > > Subject: PC800: more head scratching > >=20 > > It did it again! My '89 PC800 blew the stereo fuse on the way to work > > this morning. I was riding along about 55, only 6-7 miles from home, > > and the bike coughed once and blew the fuse. It coughed one other time > > on the way to work about 5 miles later. Feels like a miss in the fuel > > system, but I'm 99% sure it's electrical. I'm afraid I'll have to > > take it to the dealer since I could not find anything wrong after > > checking all the lines last night. I'm fairly certain one of the > > wires is shorted, or coming apart when being bounced. I'll have to > > look at my electrical diagram to see which wires are suspects. I > > don't think it's a grounding problem. I do not have any other > > electrical problems with the PC800. All other electrical components > > work fine. I was thinking it was something in the stereo system, but > > it's definitely effecting the engine too, and it's not effecting any > > other eletrical components. Well, perhaps it is... The fuse that > > blows is only 1 amp (technically it's rated for a 0.5 amp, but the > > smallest I could find is 1 amp). So the smallest fuse is blowing > > first and so far none of the others have blown. I guess time to visit > > the dealer. :-( > >=20 > > Scot > > '89 PC800 > > -------------- > >=20 >=20 _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com=20 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 15:45:05 -0400 To: "Thomas Brown" , "Scot Piper" , From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: RE: PC800: electrical issues At 10:03 AM -0700 5/5/98, Thomas Brown wrote: >I admit to no electrical expertise >the following is pure speculation > Hi Tom. I find your message interesting. This is also pure speculation, but it seems to me that the 89 model year had a much higher occurence of electrical-related problems. This may be just an inidication of age, or first year issues later refined in sub sequent years, but it is interesting. I wonder if there was a bad design with the regulator and/or stator and/or wiring location/harness etc. that was either intentionally fixed the following year, or fixed as a result of some other modification. Is it just me, or does any one else feel that the 89 seems to have a greater percentage of electrical problems? bye the way...I'm not trying to start another one of those "my year is better than your year" debates. I just feel that if there is a design or manufacturing flaw that those people with the 89's shouldn't have to suffer financially, and if we can show that the issue is more wide-spread than just the stator, maybe it would be worth while to try to get Honda to look at it again. I know the stator issue was raised to the attention of Honda America (Was it you, Gregg ?) and that Honda denied there was a problem. This is just my opinion...I hope it doesn't start anything negative. fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: LRaeMiller Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 17:22:13 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: electrical issues In a message dated 5/5/98 12:05:02 PM Central Daylight Time, tom@islanddata.com writes: << I believe that most all electrical problems with the 89 PC800 can be traced back to the regulator/rectifier >> >From my experience, I would have to agree with you. When my 89 hit about 31,000 I couldn't keep the battery charged enough to start the bike. My great mechanic took apart the stator to see if it was still good (it was) and changed out the regulator and put in a new battery. My first ride after that, the bike was dead when I started to come home. We jumped it and I was able to get it home. The mechanic had Honda honor the replacement of the regulator and donated his labor and there have been no problems with the bike since then - I now have 38,000+ miles on it. I think many of the legendary "stator problems" are more likely regulator problems. Just my .02 worth - Lynda 89 PC 38,100 (for sale) 90 PC 10,800 (getting it's new CB this weekend for sure) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by smtp.uscom.com with SMTP; 5 May 1998 14:38:17 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 17:14:35 -0400 From: Carl Luft To: "PC800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: New PC owner Ray Boatwright Jr wrote: > Hi > > Ray Boatwright > 1997 PC > New > Jacksonville FL > only mod so far Stealth Edging on windshield. > > Looking for other Rider in my area. > > Ray Welcome aboard Ray; I've been on the list about 3 weeks now and I'm up here in Wernersville PA. Just a stones throw west of Reading, I've been looking for a day without rain to ride with! Carl Luft -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by smtp.uscom.com with SMTP; 5 May 1998 14:38:19 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 17:26:52 -0400 From: Carl Luft To: "PC800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: electrical update Scot Piper wrote: > I checked over all the wiring and fuses tonight. Could not find > anything wrong. Changed the hot fuse to the stereo, and went for a > ride. No problems at all. Strange. Has anyone with a factory stereo > had problems with blown hot fuses (orange line)? > > Scot Scott; Loose inline connectors, un-sodered splices can cause an excess of current and can cause fuses to pop. I had problems with an old 77 goldwing i am restoring with blowing fuses untill i went over all the wiring and tighten up connections and splices. Just a thought; carl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by smtp.uscom.com with SMTP; 5 May 1998 15:20:29 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 18:19:24 -0400 From: Carl Luft To: "PC800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: New PC owner frankc@nap62.nap-wc.usace.army.mil wrote: > Hi Carl, > I'm just se of you in wayne. i'm not sure where Wernersville is? you > must me near Blue Marsh Lake? I have a 90 Pc 800. welcome to this list. > its a great resource! I'm very near Blue Marsh lake. Carl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 20:16:42 -0400 From: radrider To: "Dana L. Sawyer" CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Inner trunk bags I use it all. I've been doing this a long time. Stan 97 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 19:15:46 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: ordie wilkinson- Netcom (by way of ruf@nconnect.net) Subject: PC800: A bad day Received this from a friend. Thought you all might enjoy. * So you think you're having a bad day? The following was taken from a Florida newspaper: A man was working on his motorcycle on his patio and his wife was in the house in the kitchen. The man was racing the engine on the motorcycle and somehow, the motorcycle slipped into gear. The man, still holding the handlebars, was dragged through a glass patio door and the motorcycle dumped onto the floor inside the house. The wife, hearing the crash, ran into the dining room, and found her husband laying on the floor, cut and bleeding, the motorcycle laying next to him and the patio door shattered. The wife ran to the phone and summoned an ambulance. Because they lived on a fairly large hill, the wife went down the several flights of long steps to the street to direct the paramedics to her husband. After the ambulance arrived and transported the husband to the hospital, the wife uprighted the motorcycle and pushed it outside. Seeing that gas had spilled on the floor, the wife obtained some papers towels, blotted up the gasoline, and threw the towels in the toilet. The husband was treated at the hospital and was released to come home. After arriving home, he looked at the shattered patio door and the damage done to his motorcycle. He became despondent, went into the bathroom, sat on the toilet and smoked a cigarette. After finishing the cigarette, he flipped it between his legs into the toilet bowl while still seated. The wife, who was in the kitchen, heard a loud explosion and her husband screaming. She ran into the bathroom and found her husband laying on the floor. His trousers had been blown away and he was suffering burns on the buttocks, the back of his legs and his groin. The wife again ran to the phone and called for an ambulance. The same ambulance crew was dispatched and the wife met them at the street. The paramedics loaded the husband on the stretcher and began carrying him to the street. While they were going down the stairs to the street accompanied by the wife, one of the paramedics asked the wife how the husband had burned himself. She told them and the paramedics started laughing so hard, one of them tipped the stretcher and dumped the husband out. He fell down the remaining steps and broke his arm. Now THAT is a bad day..... -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) 6 May 1998 02:02:32 +0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 18:59:25 -0500 From: Mike Ver Velde Subject: Re: PC800: electrical issues To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu fsl wrote: Is it just me, or does any one else feel that the 89 seems to have a greater percentage of electrical problems? I just feel that if there is a design or manufacturing flaw that those people with the 89's shouldn't have to suffer financially, ... I have an 89. If you are inspired due to your sympathy for us 89 riders, donations are more than welcome to offset our costs. I will reluctantly accept... Mike V Stockton CA 89 Moose -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (IPAD 2.05) id 4181500 ; Tue, 05 May 1998 22:33:59 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 22:36:27 -0400 From: Scot Piper To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Electrical Engineering for Dummies 1. Sorry for sending so many posts regarding the electrical problem with my '89 PC. I know you'd rather read exciting trip reports than read about my adventures with fuses and wires. 2. Thank you to all who are passing along tips. They are very helpful! 3. Here's the latest. I brought my '89 PC home from work on the trailer tonight. :-( When I got home, I pulled the battery. It was bone dry. Other members on the list had recommended I check the battery and have had similar experiences. I don't know if there is any other electrical damage to the bike. Will find out when I install a new battery, I will not re-use this one, which was new 6 weeks ago. The Chaparral catalog shows a Yuasa CX/GRT for $47.99, part # 358-1350. Not sure if that's a maintenance free battery that is shipped with the acid. Has anyone purchased this battery? The description says the GRT is for an ATV. 4. I was concerned earlier (still am) about stator and regulator failure. I called Milpitas Honda (800-734-2639) and was quoted the following: upgraded stator, part # 31120-MR5-015, $184; regulator, part # 31600-MV4-000, $122. My local dealer quoted me $300 for the stator and could not tell me if it was the upgraded part. They claim to have never sold a PC800 stator before... Milpitas told me they have sold 2 stators this week alone... 5. Based on messages from other PC800 members, sounds like I can replace the stator and regulator myself w/o much difficulty. I'm at 15,000 miles now. If I make it until this fall/winter, I'm going to replace both as a preventive measure. 6. I'll send an update once I get the new battery in. Hopefully I have not fried anything else in this little electrical engineering lesson. If anyone has had a similar experience, please let me know what happened and what to look for. 7. I have started saving notes on electrical problems on the '89 PC800. I will show it to my local dealer next time I'm in, as well as part prices other PC800 members are getting. The local dealer, Bay Cycle of Bay City, MI has a '97 PC800 on the floor. They want $8799 for it... Ride On, Scot '89 PC800 14,900 miles and holding ------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 19:59:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Scot Piper Subject: PC800: insurance To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu New topic: what experience do PC800 owners have with insurance? Specifically, I'm curious about payouts for damage. My insurance company will not specify an insurance value for my '89. I'm concerned that if something ever happened to it, they'd try to pay the least $ possible. Seems MI insurance companies have been changing the way they pay claims in total cases. They look in the local paper and find a similar vehicle, which is typically $1000-1500 under blue book. No matter how good of shape your vehicle was, they won't compensate for it. I've heard book values around $2500 for the '89 PC800. But at traderonline.com, there are tons of '89's in the $4000+ range. To insure my PC for a specific value would cost more - I don't know how much - the agent couldn't give me a quote w/o writing a policy and sending it in... I'm only paying $129/yr for full coverage, 12 months of ride, and road service, so hard to complain, but want to make sure that $129/yr will get me a fair payment if something terrible ever happens to the PC. Any thoughts? Scot '89 PC800 --------- _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 20:11:15 -0700 (PDT) From: John La Subject: Re: PC800: insurance To: Scot Piper , pclist Scot- Farmers once tried to pay me $1200 for an Oldmobile I smashed up. (My fault). I complained that book value was more, about $2500 at the time. They said they go by fair market value and if I could bring news paper ads (dated prior to the incident) showing similar cars sold for more, they'd up the offer. I found about 6 selling for around $4000, and they offered me $3800. I took it. Hope this helps. YMMV ---Scot Piper wrote: > > New topic: what experience do PC800 owners have with insurance? > Specifically, I'm curious about payouts for damage. My insurance > company will not specify an insurance value for my '89. I'm concerned > that if something ever happened to it, they'd try to pay the least $ > possible. Seems MI insurance companies have been changing the way > they pay claims in total cases. They look in the local paper and find > a similar vehicle, which is typically $1000-1500 under blue book. No > matter how good of shape your vehicle was, they won't compensate for > it. I've heard book values around $2500 for the '89 PC800. But at > traderonline.com, there are tons of '89's in the $4000+ range. > > To insure my PC for a specific value would cost more - I don't know > how much - the agent couldn't give me a quote w/o writing a policy and > sending it in... I'm only paying $129/yr for full coverage, 12 months > of ride, and road service, so hard to complain, but want to make sure > that $129/yr will get me a fair payment if something terrible ever > happens to the PC. Any thoughts? > > Scot > '89 PC800 > --------- > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: VR2XVI Subject: PC800: Trunk spoiler reproduction - name list To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:51:58 +0800 (HKT) Cc: pckwong@hkusua.hku.hk The following is the compiled list of listers who showed their interests in the project of Hondaline PC trunk top spoiler with enhancement. Please check and let me know ASAP if my record is not accurate ESPECIALLY the year/color. Name year/color Email address ==== ========== ============= John Louk '90 Candy swift24@juno.com Craig Carter '95 Black carter@wans.net Spain Harrison ?? ?? spain@ugsolutions.com Keith Sproul ?? ?? ksproul@rci.rutgers.edu Mark Venable '90 Candy mvenable@99main.com Grer Eyrich '94 Black greg_eyrich@hotmail.com Steve Scudder '97 Red greyhound@bizgroup.net ?? ?? ?? jlicari721@aol.com Doyle Frazier '95 Black doylefish@aol.com Wanda Bailie '95 Black wanda_bailie@smtpgw.kentrox.com Bruce Bednarski '89 White Bruce.Bednarski@GECapital.com Richard Stanley '90 Candy ris@hk.super.net Philips Wong '90 Candy pckwong@hkusua.hku.hk -- ************************************************************************* * Philips Wong, Colonial Special Constabulary Medal * * Vice Chairman, Safe Riders (HK) Association * * GWRRA Hong Kong Chapter (proposed) * * * * VR2XVI <-- HAM '95 GL1500SE Candy Red <-- the flooded bike * * PCA420 <-- Hong Kong '84 GL1200A 2 tone beige <-- the chromed bike * * Aux Police '90 PC800 Candy Red <-- My little Wing * * 101177 <-- GWRRA CBX750 Police Edition <-- Muscle! * * * * Commissioner Maxwell, Hong Kong Police, 1959 : * * " I have the honour to be, Sir, your obedient servant! " * * * ************************************************************************* * Will work for gas and chrome, I have 2 Wings, and a baby Wing at home * ************************************************************************* -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 20:00:44 -0700 (PDT) From: John La Subject: PC800: Stator defect-Honda's Fault? To: Mike Ver Velde , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hi Group- Only my opinion- Yes, the 89 stator is fairly obviously a design flaw. I'm not happy that Honda and their dealers profit from a design flaw on my bike by charging full retail to fix it. To protest, I had my stator rewound locally and saved about $200. The dealer advised me of this option after agreeing with me that Honda should pay, but won't. If I were Honda, I'd sell the stator to owners of 1989 PC's at their cost, but I wouldn't fix 9 year old bikes under warranty. If Motorcycle manufacturers started fixing bikes that far out of warranty, Im afraid I'd need 30 year financing to buy one. All that being said, Aside from Fluids, Tires, Brakes and Bulbs, this is the only maintenance needed in 9 YEARS! I'm still a satisfied PC owner. John http://hhd.csun.edu/john/ ---Mike Ver Velde wrote: > > > fsl wrote: > > Is it just me, or does any one else feel that the 89 seems to have a > greater percentage of electrical problems? > > > I just feel that if there is a design or > manufacturing flaw that those people with the 89's shouldn't have to suffer > financially, ... > > I have an 89. If you are inspired due to your sympathy for us 89 riders, > donations are more than welcome to offset our costs. I will reluctantly > accept... > > Mike V > Stockton CA > 89 Moose > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 22:53:25 -0700 From: Phil Lewis To: PC800 Group Subject: PC800: [Fwd: Tenzo driving lights!] --------------32D2A867395A3612D585DE77 --------------32D2A867395A3612D585DE77 Errors-To: ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jeff Knights" To: Subject: Re: Tenzo driving lights! Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:13:28 -0500 Of course you guys still get a discount !!!! Glad to hear from you !! Jeff -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Phil Lewis To: Jeff Knights Cc: PC800 Group Date: Tuesday, May 05, 1998 12:52 AM Subject: Re: Tenzo driving lights! >Hi Jeff! > >I don't think you sent the message below to the PC list, so I'm cc:ing it for >you. > >Glad to see you're still around!! :) Do we still get a discount on the Tenzo >lights? I've had several PCer's ask me about it. > >Take it easy, > >Phil > >------------------------------------------------ > >Jeff Knights wrote: > >> Thanks for the refrence Phil !!! >> >> I'm still alive !!! >> >> Oh, Here's another killler deal for your PC list... >> >> Hey boys and girls ! Jeff here, I've come across a sweet deal that I >> thought the list might benefit from .... >> A friend of mine has offered a wholesale price on the cordless Escort Solo 4 >> radar/laser to anyone on the VFR list that is interested...I still don't >> know how many he'll let me sell to the list, BUT.... I can wholesale these >> for $100 each plus $4 for priority shipping... >> >> Brand new... $104 SHIPPED !! >> Is anyone interested? LET ME KNOW !!! >> Jeff Knights, Fellow VFR Pilot (THE SUN'S OUT !!!!) >> ******************************************************* >> * For Sale * >> * 1995 Suzuki GSXR-750ws $5200 firm * >> * And maybe my * >> * 1986 VFR-750FG also ! * >> ************************************************** > > > >-- >************* >*Phil Lewis * >*'90 PC * >*"Delta Red"* >*So. Cal. * >************* > > --------------32D2A867395A3612D585DE77-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by enterprise.powerup.com.au with SMTP; 6 May 1998 10:15:20 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "Pc List" From: "Ronald Grant" Subject: PC800: Red FLAMES in NYC! Date: Wed, 06 May 98 20:10:22 PDT Do any of you guys seen/know of the WILD PC red with white "flames" all over it I photoed in Manhatten? I will try to scan at work and send....like to see someone do THAT with Photo-Shop Pro!!! Ron Grant in Brisbane, Australia! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'Scot Piper'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: insurance Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 07:37:26 -0400 Why don't you buy a '97? Just kidding. Last Fall I totaled my '90 PC. The other driver was cited, AKA his fault. The odometer read 14K miles. I got $3968 plus 5% tax, consistent with the typical retail prices published in MCN. Needless to say, I was pleased with the amount. It paid for most of my $5410 new '96. Roger > -----Original Message----- > From: Scot Piper [SMTP:sapiper@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 1998 10:59 PM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: insurance > > New topic: what experience do PC800 owners have with insurance? > Specifically, I'm curious about payouts for damage. My insurance > company will not specify an insurance value for my '89. I'm concerned > that if something ever happened to it, they'd try to pay the least $ > possible. Seems MI insurance companies have been changing the way > they pay claims in total cases. They look in the local paper and find > a similar vehicle, which is typically $1000-1500 under blue book. No > matter how good of shape your vehicle was, they won't compensate for > it. I've heard book values around $2500 for the '89 PC800. But at > traderonline.com, there are tons of '89's in the $4000+ range. > > To insure my PC for a specific value would cost more - I don't know > how much - the agent couldn't give me a quote w/o writing a policy and > sending it in... I'm only paying $129/yr for full coverage, 12 months > of ride, and road service, so hard to complain, but want to make sure > that $129/yr will get me a fair payment if something terrible ever > happens to the PC. Any thoughts? > > Scot > '89 PC800 > --------- > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m15.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id JcY05359; Wed, 06 May 1998 09:00:44 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pckwong@hkusua.hku.hk Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, pckwong@hkusua.hku.hk Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 06:00:36 -0700 Subject: Re: PC800: Trunk spoiler reproduction - name list From: chargerblue@juno.com (Samuel Davis III) I would love to have that spoiler for my '96 but I am going to purchase a 50 liter GIVI case & rack. Does anyone out there know if the two (Spoiler & GIVI Setup) can exist together?!? If so I want it. Sammy D, The Chargers, Lakers and my Honda Pacific Coast. Southern California, ..............what a great place to live!!! On Wed, 6 May 1998 11:51:58 +0800 (HKT) VR2XVI writes: >The following is the compiled list of listers who showed their >interests >in the project of Hondaline PC trunk top spoiler with enhancement. >Please check and let me know ASAP if my record is not accurate >ESPECIALLY the year/color. > >Name year/color Email address >==== ========== ============= > >John Louk '90 Candy swift24@juno.com >Craig Carter '95 Black carter@wans.net >Spain Harrison ?? ?? spain@ugsolutions.com >Keith Sproul ?? ?? ksproul@rci.rutgers.edu >Mark Venable '90 Candy mvenable@99main.com >Grer Eyrich '94 Black greg_eyrich@hotmail.com >Steve Scudder '97 Red greyhound@bizgroup.net >?? ?? ?? jlicari721@aol.com >Doyle Frazier '95 Black doylefish@aol.com >Wanda Bailie '95 Black wanda_bailie@smtpgw.kentrox.com >Bruce Bednarski '89 White Bruce.Bednarski@GECapital.com >Richard Stanley '90 Candy ris@hk.super.net >Philips Wong '90 Candy pckwong@hkusua.hku.hk > >-- > > >************************************************************************* > * Philips Wong, Colonial Special Constabulary Medal > * > * Vice Chairman, Safe Riders (HK) Association > * > * GWRRA Hong Kong Chapter (proposed) > * > * > * > * VR2XVI <-- HAM '95 GL1500SE Candy Red <-- the flooded >bike * > * PCA420 <-- Hong Kong '84 GL1200A 2 tone beige <-- the chromed >bike * > * Aux Police '90 PC800 Candy Red <-- My little >Wing * > * 101177 <-- GWRRA CBX750 Police Edition <-- Muscle! > * > * > * > * Commissioner Maxwell, Hong Kong Police, 1959 : > * > * " I have the honour to be, Sir, your obedient servant! " > * > * > * > >************************************************************************* > * Will work for gas and chrome, I have 2 Wings, and a baby Wing at >home * > >************************************************************************* >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.1-10 #18580) Wed, 6 May 1998 08:24:13 CDT by ernie.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id GAA00585; Wed, 06 May 1998 06:17:28 -0700 Content-return: allowed ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 06:19:40 -0700 From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com Subject: RE: PC800: insurance To: sapiper@yahoo.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu I totaled my '96 PC this past January. It was 1 year old with just shy of 15,000 miles. My insurance adjuster took it upon herself to research the local market. She found a used 96 PC800 with 2800 miles for $7600 and then deduced 10% for my additional mileage. This was above MCN blue book by about $1000. She even verified with my shop (Lynnwood Cycle Barn) that my PC was well maintained. (The market is higher here for motorcycles -- I don't know why.) Fortunately the prices of PC's hadn't plummeted yet! Whew! I was very pleased with her efforts on my behalf. (Nationwide Insurance -- I am a very satisfied customer ;-) Todd Vierheller '96 R1100RTL, "Rain Dancer" > -----Original Message----- > From: Scot Piper [SMTP:sapiper@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 1998 19:59 > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: insurance > > New topic: what experience do PC800 owners have with insurance? > Specifically, I'm curious about payouts for damage. My insurance > company will not specify an insurance value for my '89. I'm concerned > that if something ever happened to it, they'd try to pay the least $ > possible. Seems MI insurance companies have been changing the way > they pay claims in total cases. They look in the local paper and find > a similar vehicle, which is typically $1000-1500 under blue book. No > matter how good of shape your vehicle was, they won't compensate for > it. I've heard book values around $2500 for the '89 PC800. But at > traderonline.com, there are tons of '89's in the $4000+ range. > > To insure my PC for a specific value would cost more - I don't know > how much - the agent couldn't give me a quote w/o writing a policy and > sending it in... I'm only paying $129/yr for full coverage, 12 months > of ride, and road service, so hard to complain, but want to make sure > that $129/yr will get me a fair payment if something terrible ever > happens to the PC. Any thoughts? > > Scot > '89 PC800 > --------- > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com via smtpd (for Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) with SMTP; 6 May 1998 14:00:58 UT To: scotp1965@mdn.net cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 08:52:22 -0500 Subject: Re: PC800: Electrical Engineering for Dummies Scot wrote... >4. I was concerned earlier (still am) about stator and regulator >failure. I called Milpitas Honda (800-734-2639) and was quoted the >following: upgraded stator, part # 31120-MR5-015, $184; regulator, part ># 31600-MV4-000, $122. My local dealer quoted me $300 for the stator >and could not tell me if it was the upgraded part. They claim to have >never sold a PC800 stator before... Milpitas told me they have sold 2 >stators this week alone... Stator and Regulator prices. From Honda Price book of Dec. 1997 PN: 31120-MR-015 Stator Comp. Dealer Net 141.78 Sugg Retail 246.57 PN: 31600-MV-000 Rectifier, Regulator Dealer Net 93.94 Sugg Retail 156.57 Buy the way the book states the Stator as a low demand item and the regulator as a high demand item. Makes you wonder if the regulator frying the system thread has some merit. Wonder if preventive maintenance on replacing the regulator is worth it. I don't know if these parts are used in other bikes or not. You need to understand that the dealers still need to make some money to stay in business but nice to now Milpitas not charging full Sugg retail. which I'm sure some other dealers are. Anyway Roger -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for PC800@hpc.uh.edu; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:09:48 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:09:21 -0400 From: Bernie Subject: PC800: Mileage and Wind Screens To: PC 800 Pacific Coast For your information: I have been running a gas mileage check over the last few tanks on my 94 = PC with 40K on the odometer. My driving has been a combination of = expressway (75 MPH) and city riding, including rush hour traffic. The = mileage check also included some double up riding (about 30%) with my = wife. She weights around 115 lbs. I am 6', and weight just over 200 = lbs. The PC has averaged 43.86 MPG. The bike is equipped with a couple = of items that could affect the mileage, a 20" Rifle Wind Screen and a = GiVi Top Case. How does this compare to the experience of others? Yesterday a friend and I went to a local motorcycle shop to see the Tulsa= = Wind Screen for the Gold Wing. My friend rides a Gold Wing. The Tulsa = Screen is premised on the same principle as the Rifle Screen. It = sharpens the angle of attack into the wind reducing the turbulence = created, and creates a cocoon encapsulating both the passenger and = driver. I have heard the Clearview Screen also uses the same technique. = Reports indicate the Clearview Screen (on the ST 1100) may be quieter = than the Rifle. The Clearview Screen has just become available for the = PC. It is taller and 3" wider than the Honda Screen. Clearview may be = the product of choice for those who want complete isolation. Bernie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "R. A. Robinson" To: Subject: PC800: Request! Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:48:50 -0400 Would like to be put on the E-mail address of American Riders of the PC800. Is this possible. If so please let me know what I need to do, and if possible where the site is located for my information. Thanks. Chattin At Cha Later R. A. Robinson My home page address is http://www.sundial.net/~rar205/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ernie.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA01899; Wed, 06 May 1998 09:57:50 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: applebit@compuserve.com, PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Mileage and Wind Screens Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 10:00:03 -0700 Bernie: I think the biggest factor is velocity. The faster you go, the faster your gas goes too. Windshields have a gas-mileage raising function in most cases. I know that on a bicycle, the windscreen increases speed. (On a bicycle the engine is constant, and the limiting force holding back speed is wind resistance.) Windscreens are disallowed in races because of this. Todd Vierheller > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernie [SMTP:applebit@compuserve.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 1998 08:09 > To: PC 800 Pacific Coast > Subject: PC800: Mileage and Wind Screens > > For your information: > > I have been running a gas mileage check over the last few tanks on my > 94 > PC with 40K on the odometer. My driving has been a combination of > expressway (75 MPH) and city riding, including rush hour traffic. > The > mileage check also included some double up riding (about 30%) with my > wife. She weights around 115 lbs. I am 6', and weight just over > 200 > lbs. The PC has averaged 43.86 MPG. The bike is equipped with a > couple > of items that could affect the mileage, a 20" Rifle Wind Screen and a > GiVi Top Case. How does this compare to the experience of others? > > Yesterday a friend and I went to a local motorcycle shop to see the > Tulsa > Wind Screen for the Gold Wing. My friend rides a Gold Wing. The > Tulsa > Screen is premised on the same principle as the Rifle Screen. It > sharpens the angle of attack into the wind reducing the turbulence > created, and creates a cocoon encapsulating both the passenger and > driver. I have heard the Clearview Screen also uses the same > technique. > Reports indicate the Clearview Screen (on the ST 1100) may be quieter > > than the Rifle. The Clearview Screen has just become available for > the > PC. It is taller and 3" wider than the Honda Screen. Clearview may be > > the product of choice for those who want complete isolation. > > Bernie > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Wed, 6 May 1998 12:06:05 CDT id QRJIa02232 for ; Wed, 06 May 1998 13:05:17 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 13:05:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Moe davis1 Subject: Re: PC800: Electrical Engineering for Dummies To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Perhaps everyone remembers me, My '89 PC was knocked over (by neighborhood vandals) soon thereafter I had electrical problems. I had feared that the Stator had gone bad. I found out that the regulator had gone bad, right after it blew out all the lights on the bike. I $160 for the part. I'm keeping my fingers crossed on the stator. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: They can hear me now!! Date: Wed, 6 May 98 13:39:15 -0500 From: "Paul B. Atkins" To: , "pc 800 list" >Subject: PC800: They can hear me now!! >Sent: 05/05/1998 1:47 PM >From: jgeistlubtx@door.net >To: Patkins > wha brand? where did you geth them? thanks... Paul > >Hi list. >The Austin trip was great although I did have kinda a close call. When I >was going through Austin on Ben White Blvd, some lady in a cage thought >she wanted both lanes. (Mine and her's)....The more I *Beeped* my horn, >the closer she got. I was just about to put my foot in her door when she >figured out what she was doing. >The little horn I had WAS just tooooo weak. >This morning I installed a set of dual air horn's. WOW! These horns >really make some noise. Sound's like just like one of those "18 >wheelers". I feel much safer knowing I can get someone's attention if I >need to. >Installation took some figuring, but I'm very pleased with the results. >Nothing show's. (Wire, horn's, air compressor, air hose) I removed the >dash trim w/ the speaker cut-outs to gain access to mount the dual >horns. There are no speakers on my bike, so it made it pretty easy. I >had to mount the air compressor in the area where the brake light wire >harness is. Just in front of the trunk. (left side). I was concerned >that the distance between the air compressor and the horns might cause a >delay . No delay. Instant LOUD noise. Way cool. >If you haven't replaced your OEM horn, really think about changing. It's >a little money well spent. >I'll shut-now. >Later. >James > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 12:34:27 -0700 (PDT) From: John La Subject: RE: PC800: Mileage and Wind Screens To: pclist I remember riding 20 miles home from the shop after installing my Rifle +5. It felt like I was pushing a wheelbarrow. I've gotten used to it, and I like it because riding now is whisper quiet, but I'm sure it adds resistance. John ---todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com wrote: > > Bernie: > > I think the biggest factor is velocity. The faster you go, the faster > your gas goes too. > > Windshields have a gas-mileage raising function in most cases. I know > that on a bicycle, the windscreen increases speed. (On a bicycle the > engine is constant, and the limiting force holding back speed is wind > resistance.) Windscreens are disallowed in races because of this. > > Todd Vierheller _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ernie.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA03475; Wed, 06 May 1998 13:51:17 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: johnla@yahoo.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Mileage and Wind Screens Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 13:53:29 -0700 The windshield is indeed resisting the air. But you are not (when you're using a windshield). And the windshield is much more aerodynamic than you are. It is easier for the motorcycle engine to push a nice smooth curved windshield through the air at 70mph than a lumpy bumpy irregularly shaped human being who is usually making things worse by crouching forward so as to trap more air! The reason your rifle felt like a wheel barrow is that for the first time you didn't have to hang on for dear life at highway speeds. My Hondaline PC windshield actually fatigued my arms from pushing up due both to my forward lean and the air pressure on my back. (The area right behind the windshield on a PC is a reduced pressure area. This problem is solved on the Honda ST1100 and the BMW R1100RTL by venting.) Todd Vierheller > -----Original Message----- > From: John La [SMTP:johnla@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 1998 12:34 > To: pclist > Subject: RE: PC800: Mileage and Wind Screens > > I remember riding 20 miles home from the shop after installing my > Rifle +5. > > It felt like I was pushing a wheelbarrow. I've gotten used to it, and > I like it because riding now is whisper quiet, but I'm sure it adds > resistance. > > John > > > > > ---todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com wrote: > > > > Bernie: > > > > I think the biggest factor is velocity. The faster you go, the > faster > > your gas goes too. > > > > Windshields have a gas-mileage raising function in most cases. I > know > > that on a bicycle, the windscreen increases speed. (On a bicycle > the > > engine is constant, and the limiting force holding back speed is > wind > > resistance.) Windscreens are disallowed in races because of this. > > > > Todd Vierheller > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 14:26:15 -0700 (PDT) From: John La Subject: RE: PC800: Mileage and Wind Screens To: pclist Todd- Gosh, I really hate it when stuff I never understood turns out to be so darn simple. Of course what you're saying makes perfect sense, especially when one's body is as lumpy as mine! (although, as I get older, my head offers a lot less wind resistance...) ;) John http://hhd.csun.edu/john/ ---todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com wrote: > > The windshield is indeed resisting the air. But you are not (when > you're using a windshield). And the windshield is much more > aerodynamic than you are. It is easier for the motorcycle engine to > push a nice smooth curved windshield through the air at 70mph than a > lumpy bumpy irregularly shaped human being who is -------8<--------- _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'Scot Piper'" Cc: "'PC800 List'" Subject: RE: PC800: insurance Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 19:42:18 -0400 >I'm only paying $129/yr for full coverage assuming that includes comprehensive, collision, liability at some reasonable level and uninsured motorist that's an excellent price. I'm know I'm paying too much for my MC insurance but I do so just so I can take advantage of a low cost large umbrella liability policy. All my vehicles (4 cars, 3 motorcycles, 1 powerboat, 1 JetSki), four drivers ( 2 under 25) plus my homeowners are with one carrier. I tried breaking it up to take advantage of the best rates for each vehicle type (I could find lower rates on the MCs and boats) but by the time I added on a much more expensive umbrella (because the insurance was with different carriers) the total ended up being the same. My '95 PC insurance ($1000 deductible collision, $250 deductible comp, 100K/300K/50K liability and UI) is a little over $300 per year. The low quote from Progressive for the PC for this same coverage was a little less than $200. >if something ever happened to it, they'd try to pay the least $ possible this is true of ALL insurance companies - they are in business to make money not friends Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Scot Piper [SMTP:sapiper@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 1998 10:59 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: insurance New topic: what experience do PC800 owners have with insurance? Specifically, I'm curious about payouts for damage. My insurance company will not specify an insurance value for my '89. I'm concerned that if something ever happened to it, they'd try to pay the least $ possible. Seems MI insurance companies have been changing the way they pay claims in total cases. They look in the local paper and find a similar vehicle, which is typically $1000-1500 under blue book. No matter how good of shape your vehicle was, they won't compensate for it. I've heard book values around $2500 for the '89 PC800. But at traderonline.com, there are tons of '89's in the $4000+ range. To insure my PC for a specific value would cost more - I don't know how much - the agent couldn't give me a quote w/o writing a policy and sending it in... I'm only paying $129/yr for full coverage, 12 months of ride, and road service, so hard to complain, but want to make sure that $129/yr will get me a fair payment if something terrible ever happens to the PC. Any thoughts? Scot '89 PC800 --------- _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 20:32:21 -0400 From: radrider To: Bernie CC: PC 800 Pacific Coast Subject: Re: PC800: Mileage and Wind Screens Where can the Clearview windshield be found? Stan 97 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'pc800 list'" Subject: PC800: GiVi rack Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 20:40:33 -0400 I just installed a new GiVi rack on my new '96. It's different than the one I bought two years ago. The design of the side pieces (#1 on the sheet) has changed. It no longer comes in contact with the bodywork. There is greater than 1/4" clearance. The set on my '95 can never be removed as it has worn a groove in the bodywork. The quality of the finish isn't quite up to the old one. But it is still a quality aftermarket item. In with the latch piece that mounts on the rack plate are three little white pieces. What are they for? Do you stuff those in the hex head screw to prevent an Allen wrench from being used on them? Roger -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 21:21:28 -0400 To: Jim Randall , "'Scot Piper'" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: RE: PC800: insurance Cc: "'PC800 List'" At 7:42 PM -0400 5/6/98, Jim Randall wrote: >My '95 PC insurance >($1000 deductible collision, $250 deductible comp, 100K/300K/50K liability >and UI) is a little over $300 per year. The low quote from Progressive for >the >PC for this same coverage was a little less than $200. > Scot Piper wrote: > I'm only paying $129/yr for full coverage, 12 months >of ride, and road service, so hard to complain, but want to make sure >that $129/yr will get me a fair payment if something terrible ever >happens to the PC. Any thoughts? > >Scot >'89 PC800 >--------- > > Okay folks. Are you sitting down? Are you ready for the "Mine is bigger than yours" comment! The insurance for my PC800 (95) is in the 4 digits. I would love to pay $129 or $200 or $300. I'm also not a high risk client. The rates I pay are comparable. I know a lad who is only 20 and has a Honda Blackbird 1100XX. He is paying $3470 per year for insurance. Ouch! The rate I got was the lowest I could find. Some companies were several hundred dollars more, AND alot of them had a policy that the deductible could not be lower than 25% of the value of the bike. Geez. Pay $7000 for a new motorcycle, and you can only get a $1750 deductible. It gets better. I also live in one of the highest taxed countries in the world. There's more....we only have two seasons. Winter, and two months of bad snowmobiling ! Even with those seasons, it's next to impossible to buy insurance for only 6 months, and when you do find it, it's only a hundred buckes less than a full year. Please don't ask me why I still live here. I'm at a loss for an answer! bye for now. Ride safe fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 21:31:15 -0400 To: "Prince, Roger" , "'pc800 list'" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: GiVi rack At 8:40 PM -0400 5/6/98, Prince, Roger wrote: >I just installed a new GiVi rack on my new '96. It's different than the >one I bought two years ago. The design of the side pieces (#1 on the >sheet) has changed. It no longer comes in contact with the bodywork. >There is greater than 1/4" clearance. The set on my '95 can never be >removed as it has worn a groove in the bodywork. The quality of the >finish isn't quite up to the old one. But it is still a quality >aftermarket item. > Hi Roger. I just went and checked my 95 to see how the rack fits. I hadn't noticed, but it does touch the bodywork. What a bummer! It's worn out a groove on one side, and just a small spot on the other. I wish I would have known this sooner, I would have tried to put a buffer material of some sort in there. How is this new rack different? Is it the rack, or is the difference with the way the seat fits on the bike? I seem to remember that a Corbin seat for a 95 and older wouldn't fit on the 96 and up. Well....I was thinking about getting one of those rear spoilers with the LED lights built in, and removing my GIVI, but I guess that's out of the question now. sigh.... fsl ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Francois Saint Laurent Borg Consulting Ottawa, Canada mailto:fsl@borgconsulting.com "Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (IPAD 2.05/64) id 6564500 ; Wed, 06 May 1998 20:38:16 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 20:36:47 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "The Brey's" Subject: PC800: pc800 mileage & wind screens I have a 97 pc with 1400 miles. It has the honda tall wind screen & I'm getting 50 mpg on the hiway. Jack cooler by the lake -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'Steven Arita'" , "'pc800 list'" Subject: RE: PC800: GiVi rack Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 21:40:51 -0400 I paid $76.00 plus tax and shipping from a dealer for the rack/hardware. GiVi no longer sells direct. I bought my E50 Maxia box two years ago for $185. Roger > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Arita [SMTP:sarita@cisco.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 1998 9:21 PM > To: Prince, Roger > Subject: Re: PC800: GiVi rack > > Can you let us know what you paid for everything? > > -SA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'Francois Saint Laurent'" Cc: "'pc800 list'" Subject: RE: PC800: GiVi rack Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 21:48:11 -0400 Somebody made the totally erroneous statement a long time ago that the '96 seat was different from previous seats. WRONG! I'm running my old '90 seat on the '96 and color is the only difference. The difference in the GiVi fit is the obvious difference in the two side pieces that bolt to the frame with the seat. I complained to GiVi two years ago when I first got one. They listened to somebody and fixed it. The two pieces also have a bend now. I thought they were damaged when I was unpacking the box. > -----Original Message----- > From: Francois Saint Laurent [SMTP:fsl@borgconsulting.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 1998 9:31 PM > To: Prince, Roger; 'pc800 list' > Subject: Re: PC800: GiVi rack > > At 8:40 PM -0400 5/6/98, Prince, Roger wrote: > >I just installed a new GiVi rack on my new '96. It's different than > the > >one I bought two years ago. The design of the side pieces (#1 on the > >sheet) has changed. It no longer comes in contact with the bodywork. > >There is greater than 1/4" clearance. The set on my '95 can never be > >removed as it has worn a groove in the bodywork. The quality of the > >finish isn't quite up to the old one. But it is still a quality > >aftermarket item. > > > > Hi Roger. > > I just went and checked my 95 to see how the rack fits. I hadn't > noticed, > but it does touch the bodywork. What a bummer! It's worn out a > groove on > one side, and just a small spot on the other. I wish I would have > known > this sooner, I would have tried to put a buffer material of some sort > in > there. How is this new rack different? Is it the rack, or is the > difference with the way the seat fits on the bike? I seem to remember > that > a Corbin seat for a 95 and older wouldn't fit on the 96 and up. > > Well....I was thinking about getting one of those rear spoilers with > the > LED lights built in, and removing my GIVI, but I guess that's out of > the > question now. > > sigh.... > > > fsl > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 20:55:10 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: "Prince, Roger" CC: "'pc800 list'" Subject: Re: PC800: GiVi rack Does it look as if the side pieces could be replaced by themselves or is the whole rack different? Steve Wilson Ruston LA 95 With Givi that has just barely rubbed through the paint. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (IPAD 2.05) id 4405000 ; Wed, 06 May 1998 22:31:49 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 22:36:43 -0400 From: Scot Piper To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: headlight clip / retainer Would someone please tell me how to get the headlight retainer clip back in? I've been struggling with it for 2 hours! What an incredibly poor design. Hasn't Honda heard of a twist connection like the rest of the world? There is absolutely no way to get to this clip from the back side, it's just close me eyes and try to get it right. I have the clip out of it now - I have no idea how it came out, or how it goes back in. My service manual does not show a picture of the backside of the headlight so that I can see how the clip actually fastens in. It just says "remove retainer clip". Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks. Scot -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (IPAD 2.05) id 4405900 ; Wed, 06 May 1998 22:35:38 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 22:40:24 -0400 From: Scot Piper To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: battery acid level I just bought a new Yuasa battery from my Honda dealer. Just for grins, I popped the top. There is no acid in the battery (although the cells are wet). What's the deal? The dealer said it was full and charged. Should I get some distilled water, fill it up, and charge it? It's been over 24 hours since I've been able to ride my PC and I'm getting a bit postal. Scot '89 PC800 --------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 21:39:31 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: scotp1965@mdn.net CC: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: headlight clip / retainer Good luck. I did it with a mirror and a flashlight. Steve Wilson Ruston LA. 95 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 19:47:34 -0700 From: Eric Matthews To: scotp1965@mdn.net CC: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: battery acid level Scot, Is that 'postal' or 'coastal'? ;-) Eric Scot Piper wrote: > It's been over 24 hours since I've been able to ride my PC and I'm > getting a bit postal. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. via SMTP by server3.wans.net, id smtpdBAAa006o6; Wed May 6 22:10:16 1998 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Craig Carter" To: , "PC800 Group" Subject: RE: PC800: [Fwd: Tenzo driving lights!] Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 22:08:44 -0500 Importance: Normal Just what is the current price (discount) for the Tenzo lights? Craig '95 PC800 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of > Phil Lewis > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 1998 12:53 AM > To: PC800 Group > Subject: PC800: [Fwd: Tenzo driving lights!] > > > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 03:46:40 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mark & Cathy Kaiser" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: PC800 Insurance Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 20:34:42 -0700 Scot- Of course the insurance company wants to pay the least amount possible! That's what's in the best interest of the company and it's shareholders. You, naturally on the other hand, want to get the most possible. As John pointed out, it often comes down to how well you negotiate. Forget the book value, it's really only a start. There is simply no way a nationwide publication can reflect the uniqueness of a local market. All that counts is 'fair market value', which is the price at which a willing seller is agreeable to the transfer of property to a willing buyer. The insurance company has a contract with you to compensate you for your loss. If in your area there is a glut of machines available and they are going for $1000 below book, I'm afraid that's all you are entitled to. If you live in Alaska and have the only PC in the state, naturally you are going to get more, because it costs more to make you whole again. If they only go by the ADVERTISED price- great! Most vehicles sell for less than the advertised price, so consider the difference you are getting a bonus. Remember, the purpose of insurance is to protect you from a financial loss you couldn't otherwise bear. Insurance companies love to pray on people's fears, it sells policies. The more scared you are, the more they can sell you. I'm paying more per year than you, and for liability only. Yes, if I wad up my bike, I'll be out $5K, and I'll bitch and moan and feel like s**t, but I'll survive. On the other hand, if someone sues me for a couple of hundred K or a million$$, which in these days is not unusual, I'm in BIG TROUBLE. The lawyers' fees alone will kill me. So I carry LOTS of liability insurance, because to me that't the real threat to my well being. Yes, we all tend to get attached to our bikes, and think they're worth a lot. But it's only a piece of hardware, and the world is full of suitable replacements. So IMHO, focus on what really counts. Ride safe, and may you never need your insurance! Regards, Mark 97 RED kaismo@worldnet.att.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'Steve Wilson'" Cc: "'pc800 list'" Subject: RE: PC800: GiVi rack Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 00:14:02 -0400 I think the two side pieces are the only parts that are different. You should give them a call in Charlotte. My '95 is beyond hope of a change. Roger > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Wilson [SMTP:deere@linknet.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 1998 9:55 PM > To: Prince, Roger > Cc: 'pc800 list' > Subject: Re: PC800: GiVi rack > > Does it look as if the side pieces could be replaced by themselves or > is > the whole rack different? > Steve Wilson > Ruston LA > 95 With Givi that has just barely rubbed through the paint. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 04:23:15 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mark & Cathy Kaiser" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: PC800 battery acid level Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 21:11:16 -0700 Scot- STOP! Don't add that water yet. What kind of battery did you get? The stock PC battery comes from the factory unfilled. The acid is specially packaged in a filling device that you attach to the battery and allow to fully drain. The filler is filled with just enough acid to service the battery. The acid could have been completely absorbed by the plates. I'm not sure because I never bothered to look inside after filling one. It takes about 15 minutes or so to get one to take all the acid. With this system, there is practically no way the dealer could have underfilled it unless they removed the filler too soon. Were they rushed? If it was underfilled, adding water will only upset the chemical balance. On the other hand, the newer type, maintenance free, sealed batteries don't even have liquid acid in them. They come filled from the factory with a 'jelly acid'- there is no liquid to leak, so they can be used in any position. They are usually used for off-road applications, but maybe there is a model that fits the PC. Maybe that's what you got. Regards, Mark 97 RED kaismo@worldnet.att.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m28.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id XtR09324; Wed, 06 May 1998 23:28:38 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 22:31:02 -0400 Subject: PC800: Vacuum Fuel Valve From: swift24@juno.com (John D Louk) Gary (speerboy@juno.com) and I have each found in the course of troubleshooting the gas smell upon motor shut down on our PC's that the four screws holding the vacuum-operated fuel valve assembly together were not tight. Each of us has taken the assembly off the cycle, opened it up to look for pinholes or a tear in the rubber diaphragm, and, finding none, reassembled the valve and now have no discernable gas smell upon shutdown. Hmmm. Coincidence? I doubt it. Before you spend whatever Honda wants for the valve assembly ($135 here in Indianapolis), open up yer scoot, pull the assembly, and VERY carefully check the screws BEFORE you decide to open it up the rest of the way. Be careful reassembling it. The engineer who designed it may have been related to the Rubic's Cube inventor. It's easy to get the parts rotated out of proper alignment for reassembly. In Gary's case and my case, our cycles are 1990 models: the best color (candy glory red). DUCK, GARY!! And also thanks, Gary for alerting me to that possibility BEFORE I disassembled the unit. John Louk Carmel, IN '90 PC "Ruby" (with apologies to Dana S who's scoot is/was likewise named) _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 21:35:56 -0700 From: Alan Taylor To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: pc800 mileage & wind screens > I have the taller Rifle (27"?) and get 43 mpg in mixed driving, 50 pure > highway. > I've noticed that the hondaline shields are both rounder in their curve, > and have more rake than the rifle, which should have at least some effect > on wind resistance. I've noticed the back pressure effect (I don't know that i'd call it a problem) and suspect that it may have something to do with the width of the W/S. The Pc is the only faired bike I've owned where the shield does not extend to the width of the grips, although most tapered towards the top. Alan Taylor 95 PC800 Midnight Long Beach, CA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: scotp1965@mdn.net Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: headlight clip / retainer From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 06 May 1998 23:45:33 -0500 Lines: 14 >>>>> "SP" == Scot Piper writes: SP> Would someone please tell me how to get the headlight retainer clip back SP> in? I just went through this a few days agon. Take the bulb assembly back out and try to attach the thing without it in the way. Feel around the opening; there's a small hook on the throttle side of the bike that you need to get the straight part of the clip latched around. Remember where this is, replace the bulb assembly and hook the clip. I fiddled with it for 45 minutes before trying this; afterwards I got it in about ten seconds. - J< -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 06 May 1998 22:28:12 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 22:22:17 -0600 From: "Rich Stucky" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, scotp1965@mdn.net, sapiper@yahoo.com Subject: Re: PC800: more head scratching Scot, Unfortunately in my case, I also had a failure of the CDI box. The CDI = was $275 plus labor, plus a new Honda battery, plus fuses and bulbs and = I'm at $600 in repairs...... and have yet to=20 replace the turn signal switch which no longer works properly (another = $200). I'm looking for a pattern of failures and am interested in finding out if = similar failures have occurred with other PC800s or other Hondas. Can = anyone direct me to other news/mail lists of other Honda riders? Scot, I certainly hope your bike "recovers" with less damage.... let me = know. Rich Richard Stucky Novell Business Development Group Voice: 801-222-4466 Fax: 801-222-4474=20 Email: rstucky@novell.com >>> Scot Piper 05/05/98 08:12PM >>> Rich, I just pulled the battery and it was bone dry. :-( I'm going to order a new one tomorrow and return this one. Did you have any damage to your bike other than blown fuses? =20 Scot ---- Rich Stucky wrote: >=20 > Scott, >=20 > When my bike had the power surge problem I experienced a momentary loss = of power, lost the stereo (and apparently lights), engine power came back, = then a moment later was completely gone. If you have some time on your = battery you may want to look at replacing it.... >=20 > Rich >=20 > Richard Stucky > Novell Business Development Group > Voice: 801-222-4466 > Fax: 801-222-4474 > Email: rstucky@novell.com=20 >=20 > >>> Scot Piper 05/05/98 06:18AM >>> > The the first time the cough occured, it blew the fuse. I kept riding > and got another cough. When I got to work, I popped the trunk and the > stereo still had power to the clock, but apparently not to the stereo > as there was no sound and the stereo controls didn't work at all. The > red line fuse is still good, as is the ground. Perhaps I should try > disconnecting the stereo (doesn't look easy) and see if I still get > the coughing. But I'd rather ride than work on it. Perhaps I can get > in to the dealer today to have it checked. :-) >=20 > Scot >=20 > ---"Prince, Roger" wrote: > > > > Does the "cough" occur only when the stereo is connected/on? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Scot Piper [SMTP:sapiper@yahoo.com]=20 > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 1998 7:44 AM > > > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu=20 > > > Subject: PC800: more head scratching > > > > > > It did it again! My '89 PC800 blew the stereo fuse on the way to > work > > > this morning. I was riding along about 55, only 6-7 miles from > home, > > > and the bike coughed once and blew the fuse. It coughed one other > time > > > on the way to work about 5 miles later. Feels like a miss in the > fuel > > > system, but I'm 99% sure it's electrical. I'm afraid I'll have to > > > take it to the dealer since I could not find anything wrong after > > > checking all the lines last night. I'm fairly certain one of the > > > wires is shorted, or coming apart when being bounced. I'll have to > > > look at my electrical diagram to see which wires are suspects. I > > > don't think it's a grounding problem. I do not have any other > > > electrical problems with the PC800. All other electrical components > > > work fine. I was thinking it was something in the stereo system, > but > > > it's definitely effecting the engine too, and it's not effecting any > > > other eletrical components. Well, perhaps it is... The fuse that > > > blows is only 1 amp (technically it's rated for a 0.5 amp, but the > > > smallest I could find is 1 amp). So the smallest fuse is blowing > > > first and so far none of the others have blown. I guess time to > visit > > > the dealer. :-( > > > > > > Scot > > > '89 PC800 > > > -------------- > > > > > >=20 > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com=20 >=20 > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >=20 > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 22:53:20 -0700 From: Phil Lewis To: Craig Carter CC: PC800 Group , Jeff Knights Subject: Re: PC800: [Fwd: Tenzo driving lights!] Craig Carter wrote: > Just what is the current price (discount) for the Tenzo lights? > Craig > '95 PC800 > For the answer to that question, we'll have to ask Jeff Knights! Jeff, what is our discount? Phil -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 01:41:22 -0500 To: From: Tom Cartmel Subject: Re: PC800: Honda Dealers - In Stock 96 or 97 models? Cc: If you look at trader-online (http://www.traderonline.com), there are a couple of dealers in the mid-west with new or slightly used '96s and '97s. Also, a local dealer for me, Lake City Honda in Warsaw, IN, has a new '96 and new '97. Last time I checked, the '96 had just sold, but the '97 was still available. >I am new to the PC800 list and have been looking around for a PC. As I read >through some of the archived messages I could not ascertain if Honda still had >some 96 or 97 models in their inventory and if so, could I challenge my local >Honda dealer to locate one for me. I am looking for my first motorcycle as I >turn 40 next month :-) after using my wife's scooter for 2 years... Looking for >a latemodel PC - I think it is the right machine for me after I get my motorcycle >skills up to speed with education, training, and practice. What would be a good >price for a 97 model if Honda could locate one? Bob ------------------------------------------------- Tom Cartmel cartmel@cris.com "Time changes everything - everything but truth." ------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Thu, 7 May 1998 09:52:00 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bryce Ulrich" To: , Subject: RE: PC800: headlight clip / retainer Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 02:49:55 -0700 Importance: Normal Honda uses the same clip design on it's sportbikes as well. To get a better picture of how the clip works, have a look at a CBR or the like. Because the sportbikes don't have as much covering, it's quite easy to look down from the top and see exactly what's going on. Also, make sure the bulb is properly seated before you try to get the metal clip on. I look through the side of the headlight to get a clear image of the bulb and ensure it's fitted correctly. Have patience. Next time you do it you'll be down to a minutes or less. -bryceu ----------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich, Kirkland, WA Voicemail: 1-888-403-6454 Email: bryceu@worldnet.att.net Web: http://home.att.net/~bryceu/ AMA Life/HRCA/HSTA/STOC 1999 Iron Butt competitor '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" '96 Honda ST1100 ALT "TruST" ----------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (IPAD 2.05) id 4456200 ; Thu, 07 May 1998 06:34:53 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 06:39:50 -0400 From: Scot Piper To: kaismo@worldnet.att.net CC: PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 battery acid level The battery is a Yuasa for the PC800. I'm sure the dealer would not stop filling it early. Perhaps it is one of the ORV batteries, in the Chaparral magazine that's what the called it (GRT - gas recirculation technology) for off road vehicles. I'll call the dealer today to discuss. Can't wait to get this problem fixed and get back on the road. Hopefully no damage to the regulator because of a dry battery. Scot ---- Mark & Cathy Kaiser wrote: > > Scot- > STOP! Don't add that water yet. What kind of battery did you get? The > stock PC battery comes from the factory unfilled. The acid is specially > packaged in a filling device that you attach to the battery and allow to > fully drain. The filler is filled with just enough acid to service the > battery. The acid could have been completely absorbed by the plates. I'm > not sure because I never bothered to look inside after filling one. It > takes about 15 minutes or so to get one to take all the acid. With this > system, there is practically no way the dealer could have underfilled it > unless they removed the filler too soon. Were they rushed? If it was > underfilled, adding water will only upset the chemical balance. > > On the other hand, the newer type, maintenance free, sealed batteries don't > even have liquid acid in them. They come filled from the factory with a > 'jelly acid'- there is no liquid to leak, so they can be used in any > position. They are usually used for off-road applications, but maybe there > is a model that fits the PC. Maybe that's what you got. > > Regards, > Mark > 97 RED > kaismo@worldnet.att.net > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'Bryce Ulrich'" , scotp1965@mdn.net, PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: headlight clip / retainer Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 07:39:09 -0400 Did you know the bulb can go through the hole into the headlight assy? Don't ask.:-) Roger > -----Original Message----- > From: Bryce Ulrich [SMTP:bryceu@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 1998 5:50 AM > To: scotp1965@mdn.net; PC800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: RE: PC800: headlight clip / retainer > > Honda uses the same clip design on it's sportbikes as well. To get a > better > picture of how the clip works, have a look at a CBR or the like. > Because > the sportbikes don't have as much covering, it's quite easy to look > down > from the top and see exactly what's going on. > > Also, make sure the bulb is properly seated before you try to get the > metal > clip on. I look through the side of the headlight to get a clear > image of > the bulb and ensure it's fitted correctly. > > Have patience. Next time you do it you'll be down to a minutes or > less. > > -bryceu > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 09:00:57 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 08:49:41 -0500 From: jgeistlubtx@door.net (geist, james) To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: Voltmeter Hi list. With all the talk about electrical problems, I think it's time to add a voltmeter. Hoping my ignorance doesn't show too much, how do I wire one in? Also, is there a brand that work's better than others. Thanks in advance. James Lubbock, Tx. '90 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 07:48:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Scot Piper Subject: PC800: Battery Technology To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu I have not heard a lot of battery technology talk and thought I'd bring up the topic for discussion. I purchased a Yuasa MF from the Honda dealer last night. It was already filled and charged (pretty nice of the dealer to do that for me). I opened it when I got home. There is no liquid level in the battery. I turned it on it's side and not even a drop. I spoke with the dealer this morning and she said it is not a "gel" type battery. It has the little filler tubes with the pre-packaged acid. Even though it's a sealed battery with no vents, I'm still concerned it won't get hot and try to boil/vent/evaporate liquid from the battery. I would expect the battery to last longer if the cells were immersed in liquid. Just my opinion. Does anyone have some expertise with this topic, or perhaps connections to a battery manufacturer who could clarify this with the PC800 group? Scot '89 PC800 Modifications: new battery, new headlight bulb (going back to stock), new stereo fuse. Next modification: stator and regulator... ------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 07:57:03 -0700 From: Alan Taylor To: Scot Piper CC: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Battery Technology Scot Piper wrote: > I have not heard a lot of battery technology talk and thought I'd > bring up the topic for discussion. I purchased a Yuasa MF from the > Honda dealer last night. It was already filled and charged (pretty > nice of the dealer to do that for me). I opened it when I got home. > There is no liquid level in the battery. I turned it on it's side and > not even a drop. > > Does anyone have some expertise with this topic, or perhaps > connections to a battery manufacturer who could clarify this with the > PC800 group? Scott, Try the YUASA website at http://www.yuasabatteries.com/ for technology info. E-mail them for specific answers. Alan Taylor 95 PC800 Midnight Long Beach, CA > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'Scot Piper'" , PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Battery Technology Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 11:09:33 -0400 Check this page: http://www.yuasa-exide.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Scot Piper [SMTP:sapiper@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 1998 10:49 AM > To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: Battery Technology > > I have not heard a lot of battery technology talk and thought I'd > bring up the topic for discussion. I purchased a Yuasa MF from the > Honda dealer last night. It was already filled and charged (pretty > nice of the dealer to do that for me). I opened it when I got home. > There is no liquid level in the battery. I turned it on it's side and > not even a drop. > > I spoke with the dealer this morning and she said it is not a "gel" > type battery. It has the little filler tubes with the pre-packaged > acid. Even though it's a sealed battery with no vents, I'm still > concerned it won't get hot and try to boil/vent/evaporate liquid from > the battery. I would expect the battery to last longer if the cells > were immersed in liquid. Just my opinion. > > Does anyone have some expertise with this topic, or perhaps > connections to a battery manufacturer who could clarify this with the > PC800 group? > > Scot > '89 PC800 > Modifications: new battery, new headlight bulb (going back to stock), > new stereo fuse. Next modification: stator and regulator... > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 11:03:23 -0400 (EDT) From: frankc@nap62.nap-wc.usace.army.mil To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Voltmeter On Thu, 7 May 1998 jgeistlubtx@door.net wrote: > Hi list. > With all the talk about electrical problems, I think it's time to add a > voltmeter. > Hoping my ignorance doesn't show too much, how do I wire one in? Also, > is there a brand that work's better than others. > Thanks in advance. > James > Lubbock, Tx. > '90 PC > Great question, James. I was wondering the same thing. I just ordered a JC Whitney catalogue which shows many to choose from. I like the LCD digital/clock/volmeter for $19.95. Was it a VDO someone recommended recently? When I called them, they advised against getting one from them. Something about motorcycle vibrations causing problems. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 08:39:25 -0700 From: Phil Lewis To: Scot Piper CC: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Battery Technology Scot Piper wrote: > I have not heard a lot of battery technology talk and thought I'd > bring up the topic for discussion. I purchased a Yuasa MF from the > Honda dealer last night. It was already filled and charged (pretty > nice of the dealer to do that for me). I opened it when I got home. > There is no liquid level in the battery. I turned it on it's side and > not even a drop. > I purchased the same battery, quite awhile ago, but in my case I opted to installed the electrolyte myself. As others have stated, it's a simple matter of removing the caps, put the 6 attached/self puncturing bottles in the holes and letting them drain, then replacing the caps. (I use The Battery Tender to bring the battery up to full charge.) When this is done and the battery is full, it's possible for the battery to appear empty, when instead, it is completely full. I don't know if this is the case with your battery, but if in doubt, you can remove the caps and check. The battery should have liquid inside. If it really is dry, somebody gave you a battery without installing the electrolyte. The bottom line is, even if it's a maintenance free battery, that doesn't mean you can't take a cap off and check for fluid (unless it's a special gel type sealed battery with no caps). Hope this helps, Phil -- ************* *Phil Lewis * *'90 PC * *"Delta Red"* *So. Cal. * ************* -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 09:12:35 -0700 From: Phil Lewis To: frankc@nap62.nap-wc.usace.army.mil CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Voltmeter frankc@nap62.nap-wc.usace.army.mil wrote: > On Thu, 7 May 1998 jgeistlubtx@door.net wrote: > > > Hi list. > > With all the talk about electrical problems, I think it's time to add a > > voltmeter. > > Hoping my ignorance doesn't show too much, how do I wire one in? Also, > > is there a brand that work's better than others. > > Thanks in advance. > > James > > Lubbock, Tx. > > '90 PC > > > Great question, James. I was wondering the same thing. I just ordered > a JC Whitney catalogue which shows many to choose from. I like the LCD > digital/clock/volmeter for $19.95. Was it a VDO someone recommended > recently? When I called them, they advised against getting one from > them. Something about motorcycle vibrations causing problems. Hi There! Quite awhile ago, I installed an ammeter and voltmeter on my PC. (http://www.concentric.net/~Pilewis1/pcphotos/AMINSTAL.HTM) The voltmeter is the easiest to install; just connect to the battery, either switched or unswitched if you prefer a constant reading. I keep my PC attached to a battery tender when I'm not riding, so wired my voltmeter unswitched for a constant reading. It does draw a little current, but not enough to deplete the battery, unless you don't ride very often. I used the VDO meter and it works quite well, no vibration problems at all. J.C. Whitney does have a digital voltmeter with an LED readout for $35.95 that I've ordered for my Kawasaki. I haven't received it yet, but I'll report on it when I get it. Oh, just a thought. When people talk about motorcycle vibrations, they're generally not thinking about the smooth running PC!! :) Take care, Phil -- ************* *Phil Lewis * *'90 PC * *"Delta Red"* *So. Cal. * ************* -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "David Shumaker" To: "'Bernie'" , "'PC 800 Pacific Coast'" Subject: RE: PC800: Mileage and Wind Screens Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 09:26:01 -0700 Importance: Normal Disposition-Notification-To: "David Shumaker" I have a '97 with about 3,000 miles on it. Usual driving pattern is a mixture of freeway (60 mph) and local roads at approximately 45 mpg. On a recent out of town trip that was mostly freeway (70 mph, I averaged 52 mpg. This is all with just one person aboard. I weigh about 180, have the stock Honda windshield with Stealth Edging, and a small pack behind the passenger seat. Dave Shumaker Puyallup, Washington '97 Pacific Coast, " Red Peppers" -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of Bernie Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 1998 8:09 AM To: PC 800 Pacific Coast Subject: PC800: Mileage and Wind Screens For your information: I have been running a gas mileage check over the last few tanks on my 94 PC with 40K on the odometer. My driving has been a combination of expressway (75 MPH) and city riding, including rush hour traffic. The mileage check also included some double up riding (about 30%) with my wife. She weights around 115 lbs. I am 6', and weight just over 200 lbs. The PC has averaged 43.86 MPG. The bike is equipped with a couple of items that could affect the mileage, a 20" Rifle Wind Screen and a GiVi Top Case. How does this compare to the experience of others? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 09:24:44 -0700 (PDT) From: John La Subject: PC800: JC Whitney catalogs To: pclist FYI- JC Whitney catalogs are available from: http://www.jcwhitneyusa.com/freecatalogs/ No specific PC800 stuff. :( But they have a lot of bags, helmets and dodads and gadgets. Quality of their stuff is fair, although they don't usually show brand names in the catalog. John _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ernie.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA02060; Thu, 07 May 1998 09:59:43 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: fsl@borgconsulting.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: OH CANADA! Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 10:01:54 -0700 > -----Original Message----- > From: Francois Saint Laurent [SMTP:fsl@borgconsulting.com] > There's more....we only have two seasons. Winter, and two months of > bad > snowmobiling ! > (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) > > Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 > Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda > > HSTA Member Number 7470 > > (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) > > Now Francois! I remember traveling through Ontario and Quebec in 1967. I attended Expo 67. I was but a lad. My family drove up (from Missouri) and camped in Wisconsin, Michigan, Ontario, and Quebec. As I remember, the weather was quite warm, the Quebec French were rude (sorry!), and the mosquitoes were HUGE. (Really HUGE. Gargantuan. They requested clearance for take-off and landing.) Granted, I was in Southern Canada the whole time, but it was quite pleasant. Perhaps you are trying to keep immigration down? ;-) By the way, my wife and I attended Expo '86 on the other side of the country, and it was just as nice. I have also vacationed in Banff National Forest, and Calgary and Edmonton in 1982. (I was amazed at how many Prairie Dogs could live downtown in an urban environment.) I've taken the tour on Lake Louise and photographed the most photographed island in the whole world. All in all Canada is quite beautiful. I have to agree about the high taxes. That and the draconian gun control laws have kept me out of Canada for many years now. The socialized medicine kind of stinks too. I also understand that the US Customs Gestapo is giving both Canadians and Americans a very bad time at the border crossing these days when entering or returning the US (info from the BMW list). That is certainly uncalled for. When people ask me if I have ever been out of the country, I always say no. I don't consider Canada "out of the country". It is a wonderful country with wonderful people and virtually indistinguishable from the US except for the government. (And I prefer to avoid dealing with the government whenever possible in both countries.) I can eat the food and drink the water, and the people all speak English (even in Quebec although some deny it!). I even rooted for Elvis (an ice skater) during the Olympics. So don't believe Francois! Canada is quite lovely, at least in the summers when I have been there. Todd Vierheller Seattle, WA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 11:53:55 -0600 (MDT) From: Henry Brown Subject: PC800: What is a good price to pay for a used 94 PC800? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Content-MD5: 7+6zWoYtKfyVvB2VoQuIhA== Hello all: Could someone tell me if $5000 US is a fair price to pay for a used 94 PC-800 with 1400 miles on it? The bike is in great condition. I noticed Honda dropped the price on the 96 and 97 models. It seems apparent from this alias that the stock Honda windshield is not adequate. I noticed same. I am 5' 8" tall and will probably look at a rifle replacement shield. Can anyone of similar dimensions comment on their experience with Rifle shields? I noticed the back pressure caused by the aerodynamics of the bike as well. Is this corrected or modified by the Rifle shield? Please reply to me direct, as I am not YET subscribed to this alias. thanks, --henry brown -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 07 May 1998 05:45:32 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 05:23:14 -0600 From: "Rich Stucky" To: scotp1965@mdn.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: more head scratching Scot, My first PC was an 89 I bought in October of 93. It had 9,000 mi when I = bought her and I put 30,000 miles on it before I sold her last August. = Sometime in 94 I had to replace the stator. :-( but other than that, she was virtually maintenance free. I bought my new ride in Colorado Springs last month, a 90 PC8000, actually = the very day she died. The previous owner had kept the bike on a trickle = charger, unaware of the potential consequences. I was riding from Co = Springs to Park City, 10 hours and 400 miles into the trip when she died. = At the time, she had only 7,400 miles on her. I started to realize there was a pattern when the local Honda mechanic = said in an off-hand comment, "the only time Honda has ever seen these CDI = boxes go out is when the bike had a worn out battery....." I don't think = this is limited to just the PC800.... Rich Richard Stucky Novell Business Development Group Voice: 801-222-4466 Fax: 801-222-4474=20 Email: rstucky@novell.com >>> Scot Piper 05/07/98 04:41AM >>> Rich, What year is your bike, and how many miles? Scot '89 PC800 14,900 miles ------------ Rich Stucky wrote: >=20 > Scot, >=20 > Unfortunately in my case, I also had a failure of the CDI box. The CDI = was $275 plus labor, plus a new Honda battery, plus fuses and bulbs and = I'm at $600 in repairs...... and have yet to > replace the turn signal switch which no longer works properly (another = $200). >=20 > I'm looking for a pattern of failures and am interested in finding out = if similar failures have occurred with other PC800s or other Hondas. Can = anyone direct me to other news/mail lists of other Honda riders? >=20 > Scot, I certainly hope your bike "recovers" with less damage.... let me = know. >=20 > Rich >=20 > Richard Stucky > Novell Business Development Group > Voice: 801-222-4466 > Fax: 801-222-4474 > Email: rstucky@novell.com=20 >=20 > >>> Scot Piper 05/05/98 08:12PM >>> > Rich, >=20 > I just pulled the battery and it was bone dry. :-( I'm going to order > a new one tomorrow and return this one. Did you have any damage to your > bike other than blown fuses? >=20 > Scot > ---- >=20 > Rich Stucky wrote: > > > > Scott, > > > > When my bike had the power surge problem I experienced a momentary = loss of power, lost the stereo (and apparently lights), engine power came = back, then a moment later was completely gone. If you have some time on = your battery you may want to look at replacing it.... > > > > Rich > > > > Richard Stucky > > Novell Business Development Group > > Voice: 801-222-4466 > > Fax: 801-222-4474 > > Email: rstucky@novell.com=20 > > > > >>> Scot Piper 05/05/98 06:18AM >>> > > The the first time the cough occured, it blew the fuse. I kept riding > > and got another cough. When I got to work, I popped the trunk and the > > stereo still had power to the clock, but apparently not to the stereo > > as there was no sound and the stereo controls didn't work at all. The > > red line fuse is still good, as is the ground. Perhaps I should try > > disconnecting the stereo (doesn't look easy) and see if I still get > > the coughing. But I'd rather ride than work on it. Perhaps I can get > > in to the dealer today to have it checked. :-) > > > > Scot > > > > ---"Prince, Roger" wrote: > > > > > > Does the "cough" occur only when the stereo is connected/on? > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Scot Piper [SMTP:sapiper@yahoo.com]=20 > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 1998 7:44 AM > > > > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu=20 > > > > Subject: PC800: more head scratching > > > > > > > > It did it again! My '89 PC800 blew the stereo fuse on the way to > > work > > > > this morning. I was riding along about 55, only 6-7 miles from > > home, > > > > and the bike coughed once and blew the fuse. It coughed one other > > time > > > > on the way to work about 5 miles later. Feels like a miss in the > > fuel > > > > system, but I'm 99% sure it's electrical. I'm afraid I'll have to > > > > take it to the dealer since I could not find anything wrong after > > > > checking all the lines last night. I'm fairly certain one of the > > > > wires is shorted, or coming apart when being bounced. I'll have to > > > > look at my electrical diagram to see which wires are suspects. I > > > > don't think it's a grounding problem. I do not have any other > > > > electrical problems with the PC800. All other electrical = components > > > > work fine. I was thinking it was something in the stereo system, > > but > > > > it's definitely effecting the engine too, and it's not effecting = any > > > > other eletrical components. Well, perhaps it is... The fuse that > > > > blows is only 1 amp (technically it's rated for a 0.5 amp, but the > > > > smallest I could find is 1 amp). So the smallest fuse is blowing > > > > first and so far none of the others have blown. I guess time to > > visit > > > > the dealer. :-( > > > > > > > > Scot > > > > '89 PC800 > > > > -------------- > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com=20 > > > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of = a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of = a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 10:50:51 -0400 From: Dave Bartlett To: "geist, james" Cc: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: Voltmeter On Thu, May 07, 1998 at 08:49:41AM -0500, geist, james wrote: -> -> With all the talk about electrical problems, I think it's time to add a -> voltmeter. -> Hoping my ignorance doesn't show too much, how do I wire one in? Also, -> is there a brand that work's better than others. The one from JC Whitney which is a combination clock and voltmeter is nice except that it is hard to see at night... the backlight just doesn't light it up that well. It's fairly cheap... I think ~$20. As for wiring it in... it was very simple... You can use the accessory plug. There are 3 wires for this device. 1 for constant power, so that the clock continuously keeps time. 1 for ground, and 1 for switched power.. that supplies power for the LEDs on the side, and for the backlight. You can use the accessory plug under the seat for the power, and just ground it to the frame.. I used one of the bolts for the seat for this. The only problem I had was that after I added an analog ammeter.. my voltmeter would randomly switch to 24 volts.. I would disconnect the power to reset it to 12 volts.. ride it for a while, and then it would randomly reset back to 24 volts. I think I introduced some electrical noise when adding the ammeter. To fix this, I moved the constant power directly to the battery and it was fine after that. The E-Meter I just added is great... I love it. It tells me more than I ever want to know. Here is the short description.... Leading the World in compact digital battery instrumentation, the E-Meter combines the accuracy of a digital display with the ease of use of a Bar Graph Display. The E-Meter display's Volts, Amps, Amp Hours, Kilowatt-Hours, Time Remaining, historical battery information, and more. All of this from an easy to read instrument that fits in a standard 2" (52mm) hole. Priced at about US $200.00, the E-Meter represents true state of the art DC Instrumentation at a very affordable price. The URL for the company which makes it is http://www.cruisingequip.com At anytime you can press a button and it will tell you any of this information. As long as your bike is +/- <1 amp, after 10 minutes, the display shuts down. I find it is very accurate. You can have it cycle through the information, or you can have it stay continously on. To install this one was slightly more difficult. You add a shunt in between the negative battery terminal cable and the battery. Follow the instructions, which is adding about 5 wires... I think 2 from the battery, and 3 from the shunt to the unit.. it was fairly easy. The hardest thing is getting to the battery. I used the same hole I had made for my analog ammater for this.. so it went fairly quick. I had tried the Kriss Amp-U-Tron, which sounded really nice, but there was so much electrical noise that is was almost useless if the bike was running. I think it is ~$200 also. It is basically made for 'Wings and some HDs. It has both a voltmeter and ammeter. Here is the short description.... Properly monitoring the total electrical system on today's sophisticated motorcycle is very important. The Amp-u-tron allows you to read the actual current flow to or from the battery, the voltage and even outside air temperature.. The simple push of a switch gives you a wealth of information, that even your dealers test equipment cannot match. It's easy to check the alternator, regulator and even do a load test on the battery, which reveals a bad battery before it fails. This unit is built for the discerning rider who accepts only the best and understands he needs all the information about his electrical system. Only an AMP-U-TRON offers the protection and accuracy to really keep you on the road. Little light bulbs or LED's that go on when your battery is dead or a voltmeter by itself don't do the job! To do a job correctly you need the right tools, in this case the only tool made is the AMP-U-TRON. Fortunately, I was able to have the dealer test it on my PC before I had to buy it. The URL for Kriss is http://www.kriss.com I didn't actually install this one.. I had the dealer do it since it was his Amp-U-Tron. It took a mechanic about a half hour... if it ended up working, it probably would have taken another hour to mount it correctly. I never did install an analog voltmeter... although I did look for one, I bought the clock/voltmeter from JC Whitney first and used that. Hope this helps... - dlb -- +----------------------+-----------------------+-----------------------+ | Dave Bartlett | Phone: (919) 472-2442 | Pager: (800) 796-7363 | | Customer Engineering | Fax : (919) 472-2963 | Pin : 104-0576 | | System Administrator | Email: dlb@cisco.com | Cisco Systems, Inc. | +----------------------+-----------------------+-----------------------+ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 15:37:58 -0400 (EDT) From: frankc@nap62.nap-wc.usace.army.mil To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Voltmeter On Thu, 7 May 1998, Phil Lewis wrote: > > On Thu, 7 May 1998 jgeistlubtx@door.net wrote: > > > > > Hi list. > > > With all the talk about electrical problems, I think it's time to add a > > > voltmeter. > > > Hoping my ignorance doesn't show too much, how do I wire one in? Also, > > > is there a brand that work's better than others. > > > Thanks in advance. > > > James > > > Lubbock, Tx. > > > '90 PC > > Quite awhile ago, I installed an ammeter and voltmeter on my PC. > (http://www.concentric.net/~Pilewis1/pcphotos/AMINSTAL.HTM) > The voltmeter... etc... Pretty impressive, eh Jim? Did Phil answer our query, or what? Thanks Phil!! Great photos, Good advice. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) Thu, 7 May 1998 21:53:48 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 17:00:37 +0000 From: Bud Miedema To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: New to list I've been watching the mail list for several months now and thought it was time for me to subscribe. Name is Bud Miedema and I live in northern Illinois. Have a '96 PC that I picked up used last fall with 360 miles on the odometer. (Actually, it's my wife's bike.) Over the winter I have made a number of modifications to the bike including adding air horns, Baker Built air wings, a Midland 75-805 CB/FM/weather radio with a J&M personal audio pack, front mudguard, passenger backrest, Rifle tall windshield system, Progressive fork springs, Works Performance shocks, Kriss Startron, and a Hannigan Super Sport sidecar. Just wondering if anyone knows of any other PC's that are sidecar equiped? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 20:01:55 -0400 To: budman5@worldnet.att.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: New to list At 5:00 PM +0000 5/7/98, Bud Miedema wrote: > Over the winter I have made a >number of modifications to the bike including adding air horns, Baker Built >air wings, a Midland 75-805 CB/FM/weather radio with a J&M personal audio >pack, front mudguard, passenger backrest, Rifle tall windshield system, >Progressive fork springs, Works Performance shocks, Kriss Startron, and a >Hannigan Super Sport sidecar. Just wondering if anyone knows of any other >PC's that are sidecar equiped? > >-- Welcome to the list Bud. As far as I know, you are the first to put a sidecar on the PC. Wow! Please post some pictures of this setup ! I would love to see what it looks like. I really like the look of the Hannigan side cars. I used to have a Hannigan fairing on a Kawasaki K1100R. It was the most aerodynamic fairing I have had. There was never any wind noise, at any speed. How's the handling with the side car? Does the PC have enough power to handle the extra weight? bye for now.. fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'Dana L. Sawyer'" Cc: "'pc800 list'" , "'karen'" Subject: RE: PC800: GiVi rack Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 21:18:13 -0400 Thanks for asking that question, Dana. I hadn't considered that the box/plate might be in a different location. It turns out the box is positioned 1/2" farther forward than on the '95. The dimensions of the side rails are the same and I don't see the slight bend making the difference. The slots in the two L-shaped pieces may be more forward. I suspect if anybody puts a backrest pad on the box it will force the passenger into an uncomfortable position. Roger > -----Original Message----- > From: Dana L. Sawyer [SMTP:Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 1998 4:35 AM > To: Prince, Roger > Subject: RE: PC800: GiVi rack > > Message text written by "Prince, Roger" > >The difference in the GiVi fit is the obvious difference in the two > side > pieces that bolt to the frame with the seat. I complained to GiVi two > years ago when I first got one. They listened to somebody and fixed > it. > The two pieces also have a bend now. I thought they were damaged when > I > was unpacking the box. position with > the new side pieces? > > Dana > > . -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael S. Brown" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Voltmeter Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 21:55:21 -0500 > > With all the talk about electrical problems, I think it's time to add a > > voltmeter. I > digital/clock/volmeter for $19.95. Was it a VDO someone recommended > recently? When I called them, they advised against getting one from > them. Something about motorcycle vibrations causing problems. I have had a voltmeter on my PC for two years now without problems. It is a marine voltmeter (consequently waterproof) and the gage has not been affected fy vibration to date. Found the item in the Cabela's. They are on the web - http://www.cabelas.com. It is an analog style gage, 2" diameter. Michael '90 PC800 "ESCAPN" Distilled information becomes condensed knowledge. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 23:10:27 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Battery Technology Hi, Scot: The gel-cell or sealed, "maintenance-free" battery has been around for a while. They have been standard equipment on many Hondas for at least 10 years. My '89 PC, my wife's '90 PC and my '88 Hawk GT all came with them. I finally had to replace the original battery in the Hawk late last year (that's not quite 10 years of reliable service!), and the original batteries in both PCs are still going strong. This truly phenominal battery life I attribute not to the quality of the batteries (although it must be very good) but to the fact that since they were less than a year old all three batteries have been on Deltran Battery Tenders (not a simple trickle charger which can "cook" a battery if left on for extended periods) whenever the bikes are in the garage. Keeping any lead- acid/gel-cell battery constantly up to full charge drastically reduces the rate of sulfation on the plates (which is what really "kills" a battery of "old age."--plate warping due to excessive current draw and plate cracking due to vibration cause most "premature deaths."). Another benefit of keeping the batteries topped up is that the charging system doesn't have to work quite so hard when the bike is running, and I think that should extend the life of the regulator/rectifier unit and prevent most of the horror stories about voltage spikes that blow fuses, lights, and spark-control boxes. In short, maintenance-free batteries age a good thing in my book. They aren't bullet proof, but with the help of a Battery Tender they have done a super job for me. JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PLeray Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 23:36:21 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: fuel pump clicking I have a question for the group. A couple of days ago I started hearing a faint "click" every now and then from the left side of the bike. Seemed to do it only while in motion so I thought it might be a piece of the plastic bodywork flexing against another piece. Found out today that it was doing it at idle. Lifted the trunk and traced the sound to the fuel pump (looks like a small auto coil lying on its side) behind the electrical connector at the trunk hinge area. When I touch the pump I can feel a "tick" about 15/min at idle, increasing the rpm increases the frequency of the "tick". 2000 rpm = 40/min. I'm asking the group before I check w/ my dealer cause I'm not really sure if they're up on the pc. The shop manager (a good guy otherwise) said they rarely see a pc after they sell one, and didn't mention the famous '89 electrical probs. Anyone have any ideas? Thumper only has 285 mi. ('97), but even new stuff can go out. Thanks for any help. Patrick in La. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 23:40:49 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: fuel pump clicking Hi, Patrick: Sounds like normal fuel-pump operation to me; although my hearing is no where near good enough to hear such a thing. JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 23:59:34 -0400 To: PLeray , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: fuel pump clicking At 11:36 PM -0400 5/7/98, PLeray wrote: > I have a question for the group. A couple of days ago I started hearing a >faint "click" every now and then from the left side of the bike. > > Anyone have any ideas? Thumper only has 285 mi. ('97), but even new stuff >can go out. Thanks for any help. > > Patrick in La. > Hi Patrick. I agree that the noise you are hearing is consistent with the way some fuel pumps operate, but I also agree that "even new stuff can go out". My fuel pump died on my 95 PC800 at around 1400 miles. It's properly normal, but you might want to keep your eye on it for a while. Good luck. fsl ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Francois Saint Laurent Borg Consulting Ottawa, Canada mailto:fsl@borgconsulting.com "Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 00:06:08 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: PC800: Lower spoiler Hello everyone. Does someone on this list have a picture of the lower spoiler installed on the PC800? If so, would you be so kind as to email it to me, or provide me with the URL to find it? Thank you fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 22:21:57 -0400 From: Pat McNew To: Honda Pacific Coast Group Subject: PC800: Next Step in The Tall Hondaline Windshiled Saga --------------EF2E8B15B153F300C8ADC3BF If you would like to join me in trying to do something about the problem with the distortions in the tall Hondaline windshield go to this link and fill out the complaint form: I hope I atteched the URL correctly, Pat McNew Snellville GA 1996 PC800 615 (s)miles P.S. 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--------------EF2E8B15B153F300C8ADC3BF-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.1-10 #18580) Fri, 8 May 1998 11:48:20 CDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 12:46:14 -0400 From: "Prince, Roger" Subject: RE: PC800: top-mounted luggage box To: "'mvnlan@hopper.net'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu It's a GiVi top box. The hardware runs about $75 and the bag was $185 two years ago when I bought mine. Check: http://www.givi.it/sub_index/g_distr.html My wife thinks it's a great backrest and doesn't need a pad although they are options. And I've mounted an additional LED brake light under the rack. My only caution on the '97 is to try to get one for <$6000. Roger Prince > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Nichols [SMTP:mvnlan@hopper.net] > Sent: Friday, May 08, 1998 12:09 PM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: top-mounted luggage box > > Name: Mike > Location: Gadsden, AL > E-mail: mvnlan@hopper.net > PC Model: I am looking to soon purchase a new '97. > > Since my wife plans to be a part of this investment, she would like a > little more comfort/security than is provided by Honda's available > backrest. In "pictures" on the pc800 web site there are several photos > of a top-mounted luggage compartment that also serves as a passenger > backrest. Can anyone tell me where this might be available and how > much > it may cost? > > Also, as a prospective new owner, I would be interested in hearing any > cautions anyone may have regarding the '97 model. > > Thanks for any info you might provide. I'm glad to be aboard. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Fri, 8 May 1998 11:44:19 CDT by hilly.apci.net with SMTP; Fri, 08 May 1998 16:46:29 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 11:36:53 -0500 From: Bob Broeking Subject: PC800: Update on Potential New PC Owner To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Reply-to: Bob Broeking I first posted to this group on 28 April about prices and availability on 96 and 97 models. I got 15+ positive and helpful responses (something I am not used to on the Internet; :-) ) Since that time I have been to a couple of dealers and sat on one; been concerned about the size, and have thought about it some more. I did find 96's in Illinois I could probably get out the door for $5700 and 97's for probably $6100 at two different Honda dealers. I then called the Honda dealer today where I purchased my wife's scooter a year ago. he said he also could get 96 and 97 models but then he asked me why not get a 98. He said Honda is discounting their new 98 models at $6400 also. I asked him if he had that right, and he said yes, he just got the word. Hmmm, he said there was no difference between the 97 and 98, just the year model. I thought this may be of interest to the group. I have signed up for a Motorcycle Safety Course from Jun 1-5 at my local college through the state of Illinois. I will then get my license the following week and be in a better position to determine if I should go for the PC or settle on Honda Helix scooter! I am moving to Wash DC and of course my better half wants me to wait...I guess I could check on the availability of a 96/97/98 in the northern VA/Wash DC area and get it there...Again, thanks for all of the replies to my initial posting; they were helpful, Bob -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: DJewsb Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 18:56:30 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: GiVi rack You are right about the pad on the trunk putting you into an uncomfortable position. My wife is making me remove the one on our trunk before she will ride again. Doug Jewsbury 97 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Fri, 8 May 1998 07:44:06 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 07:43:44 -0400 From: "Dana L. Sawyer" Subject: PC800: Voltmeter To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Several of you have inquried about installing a voltmeter. I have a VDO voltmeter and quartz clock installed in the radio seakper poanels of my '90 PC. Here is some information about it. I recommend VDO gauges highly. They work well, are back-lit for night-time reading and seem to be 100% water-proof. VDO is a company that makes quality instruments. For a catalog, call USI Wholesale Distribution toll-free at 800/877-4798.The instruments that I purchased are shown on page 16. My mechanic installed them for me, and di= d a first-class job! He installed them in the upper inside corners of the dash panels where radio speakers could be mounted. I would suggest that y= ou discuss the possible installation with a friend or your mechanic. I did n= ot want to tackle the job myself. I am extremely pleased with the installation! Retail prices for the gauges were $36.50 for the voltmeter and $49.95 for the quartz clock. I paid about $60 for the gauges ($21.90= for the voltmeter and $29.97 for the quartz clock) plus $6.39 freight for= a total of $58.26, and probably two hour's time for my mechanic to install them (at $49 an hour.) That made my installation about $150, but I have n= o regrets The gauges are illuminated for night reading. They have black fac= es with white numerals, and also have gauges with white faces and black numerals (see page 17). I wanted gauges to closely match my stock instruments. My mechanic made a wiring harness for the gauges and did all= the wiring up under the fairing from the front. It wasn't a super difficult job, but my mechanic is a true craftsman and I wanted his speci= al touch in installing them! Detailed installation instructions are included= , but no wiring. = My voltmeter shows 13 volts on the gauge (13 1/2 volts at the battery) consistently while riding along the road. Hope this helps. Dana =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Here's an old post about installing these gauges... Wiring the two items shouldn't take too long or get too complicated. Print this out, take a deep breath, and don't rush things. = The clock probably has three wires - a ground wire and two positive leads. One lead goes to a circuit that's "hot" all the time. Direct to the battery is fine but you might want to add a fuse somewhere inline too. This lead keeps the clock timer running when the bike isn't running. The other positive lead goes to a "switched" power source and is used to light the clock display. One of the front running lights is probably sufficient as a power source or you could wire it up to the rear accessory outlet you already found. The ground wire need only be connected to the bike frame and any screw or bolt in the frame should make a good anchor point. = Voltmeter: Again, a "switched" is needed so it only operates while the bike is running. A good ground connection a necessity. Wiring: You could share both these items off the same wires with no trouble. Neither uses more than a smidgen of current. The simplest approach would be to tap into the running light wires you'll find near The l/r mirror assemblies. Careful 'cause you'll have a ground and a pos for the running light and another pos for turn signal - the turn signal lead you want to avoid. For the constant positive lead on the clock you can run a wire down the right side of the bike to the battery and connect it up directly to the battery (consider a fuse too). An alternative to tapping the running light wire is to run a lead back along the right side of the bike to the accessory jack under the seat. Be careful that your connections are secure and weatherproof. If Possible, get some "shrink tubing" to cover the wire connections instead Of electrical tape. Shrink tubing does just what its name implies when You heat it with a heat source (heat gun, match, lighter, etc) making a Tight weather-proof seal. Soldering connections is more reliable than Snap-type or crimp type connectors but it's not crucial for these types Of accessories. Dana -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: New to list Date: Fri, 8 May 98 13:41:06 -0500 From: "Paul B. Atkins" To: "pc 800 list" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: New to list Sent: 05/08/1998 1:30 PM To: budman5@worldnet.att.net >I've been watching the mail list for several months now and thought it was >time for me to subscribe. Name is Bud Miedema and I live in northern >Illinois. Have a '96 PC that I picked up used last fall with 360 miles on >the >odometer. (Actually, it's my wife's bike.) Over the winter I have made a >number of modifications to the bike including adding air horns, Baker Built >air wings, a Midland 75-805 CB/FM/weather radio with a J&M personal audio >pack, front mudguard, passenger backrest, Rifle tall windshield system, >Progressive fork springs, Works Performance shocks, Kriss Startron, and a >Hannigan Super Sport sidecar. Just wondering if anyone knows of any other >PC's that are sidecar equiped? wow...where does the microwave go? Seriously, great work... Paul -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 20:55:50 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: Francois Saint Laurent CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Lower spoiler Here is the link to pictures of the lower spoiler. pcrpics
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Ruston LA.
95 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (IPAD 2.05) id 3436600 ; Fri, 08 May 1998 22:34:39 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 22:39:24 -0400 From: Scot Piper To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Stealth Edging I just installed 42" of Stealth Edging on my '89 PC800 windshield. It seems to work fairly well up to about 65 mph, then my face shield won't stay up on my helmet. I'm 5'9 with a 32" inseam. Hope this helps others who are considering it. $10/ft, $6.50 s&h. Looks cool too! I pulled the 130/90 headlight and replaced it with a stock 55/60. It works very well on low beam at night, and points to the trees on high beam as others have mentioned. I installed my new battery last night and checked voltage across the battery. It was fairly consistent around 12 volts (I have a cheap volt meter) throughout the RPM. This leads me to believe I do not have any problems with my regulator. I will ride a little and keep my eye on the new battery to make sure it's not getting cooked. I'm still taking the bike in for a check Tuesday. Might have the carbs sync'd too. Dealer said $44. Sounds quite cheap to me (or did he say $144 and I mis-interpreted him?). Is carb sync a routine maintenance / tune-up item for the PC800? Scot '89 PC800 --------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id WOJ02605; Fri, 08 May 1998 22:37:08 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PLeray@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 06:59:04 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: fuel pump clicking From: miketwh@juno.com (Mike T Whited) My fuel pump has been clicking now for about 15,000 miles now.( occasionally, usually on cool mornings) I stopped by the shop when it first happened but the PC wouldn't make the noise. The shop recommended changing the fuel filter, but said they never encountered the problem I described. On Thu, 7 May 1998 23:36:21 EDT PLeray writes: > I have a question for the group. A couple of days ago I started >hearing a >faint "click" every now and then from the left side of the bike. >Seemed to do >it only while in motion so I thought it might be a piece of the >plastic >bodywork flexing against another piece. Found out today that it was >doing it >at idle. Lifted the trunk and traced the sound to the fuel pump >(looks like a >small auto coil lying on its side) behind the electrical connector at >the >trunk hinge area. > > When I touch the pump I can feel a "tick" about 15/min at idle, >increasing >the rpm increases the frequency of the "tick". 2000 rpm = 40/min. > > I'm asking the group before I check w/ my dealer cause I'm not >really sure >if they're up on the pc. The shop manager (a good guy otherwise) said >they >rarely see a pc after they sell one, and didn't mention the famous '89 >electrical probs. > > Anyone have any ideas? Thumper only has 285 mi. ('97), but even >new stuff >can go out. Thanks for any help. > > Patrick in La. > > > > > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 23:24:59 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: New Battery and Voltage Check Hi, Scot: In a message dated 98-05-08 22:36:22 EDT, you write: << I installed my new battery last night and checked voltage across the battery. It was fairly consistent around 12 volts (I have a cheap volt meter) throughout the RPM. This leads me to believe I do not have any problems with my regulator. >> Hmmm? You might want to invest in/borrow a good voltmeter and check it again. It should be between 13.5 and 15.5 with the RPM between 2000 to 5000. If you don't get that much, then your alternator is probably not charging the battery properly. I Hope it's just the meter. JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 11:56:04 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Doug Subject: PC800: Richmond Rally If you have not pre-registered for, and are planning on attending, the Richmond KY rally I have a pre-registration and number available for the $45.00. My brother had to cancel so I have his available. I am still going and could meet you there or mail the confirmation letter to you. If you are interested please contact me direct. First come! Doug 94 Knight Rider -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 15:51:28 -0400 From: Rich Thorne To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Marylander Hello Everyone, My name is Rich Thorne - live in a small Maryland town named Gapland - the email address is rthorne@erols.com. Just bought a new 97 PC800 and have put about 700 miles on it so far - like it quite a lot. Been riding since 1956 (jeez!). First bike was a 50cc HD 2 cycle with leather strap fork suspension (ouch! and jeez!) Then a Honda CB350 (hands still tingle a little) and then a Honda CX500, which seemed to be perfectly fine until I rode the PC800. Might have gotten one sooner but then may have had to endure the stator problem. As it was, only lived through the rear engine seal problem. Have always been mostly a short ride (few hours), mountain road, blue line, day tripper. These quick fixes seem to do the trick for attitude, although a few weekend camping trips have yielded wonderful times of meditation. Catoctin, Blue Ridge, and other assorted hills are the main attraction, along with picturesque country towns and cool mountain lakes. No mods yet, but the wind roar over the stock windshield is a bit too much so Rifle or Stealth here we come. Is the horn really direct from the Honda scooter product line. (Whoops, sorry about the scooter reference). Til it's fixed, vocal chords may be less disempowering. What is it with this low frequency (~ 1 to 2 Hz, or so) engine/drive train noise emitted when climbing a hill in say, second or third at about 3000rpm, (Kindof like a rythmic wah, wah, wah.... etc.). Sounds more like a feature than a bug, but what is it? Let me know if it means it is due for some warranty repair? Have read and thoroughly enjoyed many of your recent messages. Have seen references to shop manuals. Usually get these so as to tinker in dim light instead of complete darkness. Where did you get them? Honda or third party? It is a pleasure to join your company. Look forward to communicating. rich -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m15.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id QMO16549; Sat, 09 May 1998 16:48:36 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 13:48:36 -0700 Subject: PC800: Clearview Shields From: chargerblue@juno.com (Samuel Davis III) So has anyone got a good look/report/price at those shields or the other products that they've made for our Bikes?!? Did anyone make it out to the promo party that they had? Sammy D, The Chargers, Lakers and my Honda Pacific Coast. Southern California, ..............what a great place to live!!! _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Rich Evans" To: frankc@nap62.nap-wc.usace.army.mil Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Voltmeter Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 17:42:52 PDT >Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 11:03:23 -0400 (EDT) >From: frankc@nap62.nap-wc.usace.army.mil >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Re: PC800: Voltmeter ****Was it a VDO someone recommended recently? When I called them, [JCWHITNEY] they advised against getting one from them. Something about motorcycle vibrations causing problems.**** just a quick note to say that if the VDO gauges work just fine most of the power/racing boats, including off-shore, they ought to do ok on our bone-jarring PC !! ;) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "David Shumaker" To: "PacificCoastOwnersList" Subject: PC800: 1998 PC800 Price from Hona Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 00:41:39 -0700 On the Honda Motorcycles website = www.hondamotorcycle.com/touring/index.html the quoted price on the = financial calculator is now $6699.=20 David Shumaker, kd7yd@sprynet.com '97 Pacific Coast, "Red Peppers" Puyallup, Washington -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sun, 10 May 1998 06:13:32 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 06:13:01 -0400 From: "Dana L. Sawyer" Subject: PC800: The future of the PC800? To: HondaPacificCoastOwners A recent message included the following... On the Honda Motorcycles website www.hondamotorcycle.com/touring/index.ht= ml the quoted price on the financial calculator is now $6699. = David Shumaker, kd7yd@sprynet.com '97 Pacific Coast, "Red Peppers" Puyallup, Washington Makes you wonder if we are seeing the last of the great Honda Pacific Coast, huh? Time will tell... Go figure... Dana P.S. Makes me think about buying another one, even though my '90 model wi= th 74,00 runs and looks about like new! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Rich Bumar" To: Subject: Re: PC800: GiVi rack Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 10:27:02 -0400 Roger Prince wrote: >I suspect if anybody puts a backrest pad on the box it will force the >passenger into an uncomfortable position. Roger, you're right. I purchased a Givi Maxia with a backrest at bike week. I had a stock Hondaline backrest before that. After about a week of riding, I realized that my wife was "fidgeting" a lot. When I asked her what was wrong, she said that the backrest was pushing her too far forward and she couldn't get comfortable. That was a wasted $36 dollars. And, when we took off the backrest, there were six holes in the box. I had to go to Home Depot to get six 1/4" plastic plugs to fill the holes and I used hot glue from the inside to seal them. My bike is a red '96, I bought the red Maxia case (as far as I can tell, the colors are a perfect match) and the plugs are black. It looks OK, but I wish I didn't have to go through that in the first place. BTW, Philips Wong has been kind enough to get together with a fiberglass manufacturer in Hong Kong to make a replica of the rear spoiler that Honda no longer makes. The question came up about whether the spoiler would fit with the Givi rack in place. I have been looking at pictures of rear spoilers at various locations that list members have pointed out. After comparing the pictures to my Givi rack configuration, I figure that there is NO WAY that the spoiler would fit. (If I'm wrong, please, somebody let me know.) I'm kind of disappointed because I wanted a spoiler. Rich Bumar '96 PC800 10, 500 mi. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 11:03:52 -0400 To: "Rich Bumar" , From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: GiVi rack At 10:27 AM -0400 5/10/98, Rich Bumar wrote: >The question came up about whether the spoiler would fit >with the Givi rack in place. I have been looking at pictures of rear >spoilers at various locations that list members have pointed out. After >comparing the pictures to my Givi rack configuration, I figure that there is >NO WAY that the spoiler would fit. (If I'm wrong, please, somebody let me >know.) I'm kind of disappointed because I wanted a spoiler. > >Rich Bumar >'96 PC800 >10, 500 mi. > Thanks Rich for confirming what I thought. I was the one who posted that question, as I too wanted a spoiler. I have been thinking about getting the lower spoiler. It looks pretty good too. fsl :-) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Francois Saint Laurent Borg Consulting Ottawa, Canada mailto:fsl@borgconsulting.com "Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 09:56:25 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: "Prince, Roger" CC: "'Bryce Ulrich'" , scotp1965@mdn.net, PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: headlight clip / retainer Roger, I'm asking, but not what you think. Does is come back out the same way? Do you have to pull the bike under the shade tree and winch the front end up for access? How does your bike look with a NEW headlight assembly? How would you like to know my address so you can do bodily harm? Enjoyed your mail. Better than a joke list joke. Steve Wilson -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sun, 10 May 1998 06:13:29 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 06:12:58 -0400 From: "Dana L. Sawyer" Subject: PC800: VDO Gauges To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Someone asdked about the reliability of VDO gauges. I have a voltmeter and quartz clock installed in the dash of my Pacific Caost, and they work perfectly! Here's some info about them... VDO is a company that makes quality instruments. For a catalog, call USI Wholesale Distribution toll-free at 800/877-4798.The instruments that I purchased are shown on page 16. My mechanic installed them for me, and di= d a first-class job! He installed them in the upper inside corners of the dash panels where radio speakers could be mounted. I would suggest that y= ou discuss the possible installation with a friend or your mechanic. I did n= ot want to tackle the job myself. I am extremely pleased with the installation! Retail prices for the gauges were $36.50 for the voltmeter and $49.95 for the quartz clock. I paid about $60 for the gauges ($21.90= for the voltmeter and $29.97 for the quartz clock) plus $6.39 freight for= a total of $58.26, and probably two hour's time for my mechanic to install them (at $49 an hour.) That made my installation about $150, but I have n= o regrets The gauges are illuminated for night reading. They have black fac= es with white numerals, and also have gauges with white faces and black numerals (see page 17). I wanted gauges to closely match my stock instruments. My mechanic made a wiring harness for the gauges and did all= the wiring up under the fairing from the front. It wasn't a super difficult job, but my mechanic is a true craftsman and I wanted his speci= al touch in installing them! Detailed installation instructions are included= , but no wiring. = My voltmeter shows 13 volts on the gauge (13 1/2 volts at the battery) consistently while riding along the road. Hope this helps. Dana =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Here's an old post about installing these gauges... Wiring the two items shouldn't take too long or get too complicated. Print this out, take a deep breath, and don't rush things. = The clock probably has three wires - a ground wire and two positive leads. One lead goes to a circuit that's "hot" all the time. Direct to the battery is fine but you might want to add a fuse somewhere inline too. This lead keeps the clock timer running when the bike isn't running. The other positive lead goes to a "switched" power source and is used to light the clock display. One of the front running lights is probably sufficient as a power source or you could wire it up to the rear accessory outlet you already found. The ground wire need only be connected to the bike frame and any screw or bolt in the frame should make a good anchor point. = Voltmeter: Again, a "switched" is needed so it only operates while the bike is running. A good ground connection a necessity. Wiring: You could share both these items off the same wires with no trouble. Neither uses more than a smidgen of current. The simplest approach would be to tap into the running light wires you'll find near The l/r mirror assemblies. Careful 'cause you'll have a ground and a pos for the running light and another pos for turn signal - the turn signal lead you want to avoid. For the constant positive lead on the clock you can run a wire down the right side of the bike to the battery and connect it up directly to the battery (consider a fuse too). An alternative to tapping the running light wire is to run a lead back along the right side of the bike to the accessory jack under the seat. Be careful that your connections are secure and weatherproof. If Possible, get some "shrink tubing" to cover the wire connections instead Of electrical tape. Shrink tubing does just what its name implies when You heat it with a heat source (heat gun, match, lighter, etc) making a Tight weather-proof seal. Soldering connections is more reliable than Snap-type or crimp type connectors but it's not crucial for these types Of accessories. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 13:59:04 -0700 From: Phil Lewis To: PC800 Group Subject: PC800: Cross-Country Trip? I'm thinking about taking a long trip from the L.A. area to Orlando and back. I know some of you have taken long trips, so if you get a chance, maybe you can e-mail me some suggestions. I have an imposed vacation for a week around the 10th of June. Please respond only to my address as to not tie up the list. Thanks much! Phil -- ************* *Phil Lewis * *'90 PC * *"Delta Red"* *So. Cal. * ************* -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Donald R. Hamilton" To: "pc800 list" Subject: Re: PC800: Cross-Country Trip? Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 20:23:12 -0400 i too am planning some heavy-duty touring this summer...and i too would appreciate any tips from the more experienced tourers in our ranks. so i'd really like to see those tips come to the list! thanks! don... ---------- > From: Phil Lewis > To: PC800 Group > Subject: PC800: Cross-Country Trip? > Date: Sunday, May 10, 1998 4:59 PM > > I'm thinking about taking a long trip from the L.A. area to > Orlando and back. I know some of you have taken long trips, > so if you get a chance, maybe you can e-mail me some > suggestions. I have an imposed vacation for a week around > the 10th of June. Please respond only to my address as to > not tie up the list. > > Thanks much! > > Phil -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id UKO02605; Sun, 10 May 1998 20:30:53 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: vfrlvr@iwaynet.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 20:29:48 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Cross-Country Trip? From: miketwh@juno.com (Mike T Whited) What are your plans? Do you plan to do any camping? Touring with anyone? I've done my share of touring in the past 25 and I'll be glad to share any information I can. Mike Whited '94 PC Columbus Ohio On Sun, 10 May 1998 20:23:12 -0400 "Donald R. Hamilton" writes: > >i too am planning some heavy-duty touring this summer...and i too >would >appreciate any tips from the more experienced tourers in our ranks. >so i'd >really like to see those tips come to the list! > >thanks! > >don... >---------- >> From: Phil Lewis >> To: PC800 Group >> Subject: PC800: Cross-Country Trip? >> Date: Sunday, May 10, 1998 4:59 PM >> >> I'm thinking about taking a long trip from the L.A. area to >> Orlando and back. I know some of you have taken long trips, >> so if you get a chance, maybe you can e-mail me some >> suggestions. I have an imposed vacation for a week around >> the 10th of June. Please respond only to my address as to >> not tie up the list. >> >> Thanks much! >> >> Phil > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: PC800: experienced rider course was great! Date: Sun, 10 May 98 21:33:04 -0500 From: "Paul B. Atkins" To: "pc 800 list" This weekend, I took my second MSF course...the experienced rider course and had a great time....there were seven of us on our own bikes..several harleys, a bmw or two, a suzuki and a wing....covered street strategies, and more...on saturday, covered quick braking, swerving, countersteering, and more...really had a great time, had great instructors and met some great people...to summarize, it was great! On the way home from Kingsford, MI...took some great back roads with fellow classmate on his bmw....wonderful time! a weekend well spent... Paul -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jpatton@neptune.ConnectI.com Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 23:37:42 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I am interested in purchasing a LARGER/taller rifle or hondaline windscreen than stock (I am 6'2"), a back rest, trunk bags, passanger back rest, corbin saddle, all used/second hand. Any help please email directly! If there is a place to get all of this stuff...please fire me the url! Thanks! Joel PAtton 89pc800 14960mi -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for PC800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 11 May 1998 00:35:33 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 00:34:51 -0400 From: Bernie Subject: PC800: Touring To: PC 800 Pacific Coast I have done my share of motorcycle touring. My 94 PC has 40K on the = odometer, most of it touring and usually two up. The Pacific Coast is an = excellent long distance runner. But, in its stock form the PC has some = short comings. The PC's original saddle comes with a built in case of = "hard as syndrome. If you haven't changed saddles, I would suggest = buying a good air cushion. The Honda Wind Screen is also an abortion. = If you are running with the Honda Screen you should buy some ear plugs = before leaving. (You also might try some edging.) Some sort of throttle = control device is a necessity for touring. The Throttle Meister is the = best, but any one that works will do. If you are carrying a passenger, = install a passenger's back rest. Honda sells inserts for the luggage compartment, and K Mart and Wall Mart= = also have soft luggage that will work. But use some sort of luggage = inserts. I also recommend rolling your clothes. You will be able to = pack a lot more. Be sure to carry rain and light cold weather gear. The= = weather gear should be easily available, without unpacking. = I would recommend running no more than 100 miles in one stretch, and = limit a day's ride to 400 to 500 miles. Traveling from LA to Orlando = you are going to be traveling through some very hot weather. (Interstate = 10 across Texas is a suburb of hell during June. I know from = experience.) It is best, under those conditions, to start early in the = morning and ride till mid-afternoon. The hottest part of the day is = usually around 4 PM. I would be off the road and in some place cool by 4 = PM. Be sure, each morning, to coat your self with a good sun block = lotion, and don't forget the tops of your hands. Remember that it is = possible to get sun burned through light clothing. Nothing is worse = than traveling with a back case of sun burn. Be sure to drink liquids = during each 100 mile rest stop. It is very easy to become dehydrated, and= = not know it when riding on a fast moving motorcycle. Seven days is = probably not enough time to ride from LA to Orlando and back comfortably.= = It is over 5,000 miles, round trip, or about 700 miles per day on a 7 = day schedule. That is almost "iron butt" running. Bernie = = -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'pc800 list'" Subject: PC800: Fuse box Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 21:08:49 -0400 Somebody mentioned reversing the fuse box so the fuses were accessible after removing only the LH exhaust vent panel. I was looking at it today and found that if you grasp the fuse box and pull it downward, it disengages from the bracket to give access to the fuses. When finished just snap it back onto the mounting bracket. My '95 PC acquired the dreaded "fuel smell" this past winter. It has 35K miles. It was recently in for a water pump replacement and the fuel valve was replaced. Under warranty. Both the fuel smell and the dripping water pump are fixed. Roger -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'Steve Wilson'" Cc: "'Bryce Ulrich'" , scotp1965@mdn.net, PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: headlight clip / retainer Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 22:15:23 -0400 It comes back out the same hole. It wasn't on a PC but on a CBR1000F. I assume the Honda holes are all the same. Roger > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Wilson [SMTP:deere@linknet.net] > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 1998 10:56 AM > To: Prince, Roger > Cc: 'Bryce Ulrich'; scotp1965@mdn.net; PC800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: PC800: headlight clip / retainer > > Roger, > I'm asking, but not what you think. Does is come back out the same > way? > Do you have to pull the bike under the shade tree and winch the front > end up for access? How does your bike look with a NEW headlight > assembly? How would you like to know my address so you can do bodily > harm? Enjoyed your mail. Better than a joke list joke. > Steve Wilson -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ruf@nconnect.net Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 07:43:35 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Utopia driver's backrest I just picked up a Utopia driver's backrest. The directions are not very clear. If someone can give me some guidance regarding installation, I would be most appreciative. Bob Rufener '89PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:36:29 -0400 From: "Michael D. Bowman" To: PC Subject: PC800: PC wanted Hi, I am still looking for a good, used PC. I had had an 89, but wrecked it, and would like another. I live in Pennsylvania, but would consider traveling to anywhere and riding one home. Thanks Mike -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 07:39:39 -0700 From: Phil Lewis To: "Michael D. Bowman" CC: PC Subject: Re: PC800: PC wanted Hi Mike! I'm still selling my '90. It has about 14,000 miles and "tons" of extras. You can see it at http://www.concentric.net/~Pilewis1/pcphotos/PCRPHOT4.HTM. I was asking $4000 for it, but with the glut on the market of PC's, I'm now into the "make-an-offer" mode! :) If you were to decide to buy it and ride in back in mid-June, I might ride along with you (on my '87 Kawasaki). Even if you don't get mine, it's still a great bike! Take care, Phil Lewis Mission Viejo, Ca. --------------------------------------- Michael D. Bowman wrote: > Hi, I am still looking for a good, used PC. I had had an 89, but wrecked > it, and would like another. I live in Pennsylvania, but would consider > traveling to anywhere and riding one home. Thanks Mike > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- ************* *Phil Lewis * *'90 PC * *"Delta Red"* *So. Cal. * ************* -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Gaffneydp Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:51:27 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fwd: PC800: Next Step in The Tall Hondaline Windshiled Saga --part0_894901889_boundary Pat McNew (and all interested), I have contacted Honda Customer Service and sent the complaint form to the NHTSA. I was told the following by a Honda representative: "...all the windshields are like yours. They were designed that way and that's why it's not being considered a defect...." ".....there's been several concerns from our customers on this and there's a very good possibility that this will be fixed in the future." "In the meantime however, the aftermarket is probably going to be where your are going to be able to find the windshield that suits your needs." No mention was made of wanting to inspect the windshield that I had purchased. Perhaps it was the one and only lemon. Apparently not. I'll let everyone draw their own conclusions from the above statements. I know what I think. In the meantime, I have started looking into the aftermarket. Has anyone seen (or bought) a Clearview screen yet? Pat......please keep me posted on what you are doing, have learned, etc on this issue. Honda shouldn't be selling this junk........ 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--part0_894901889_boundary-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PLeray Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 12:45:16 EDT To: Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: The future of the PC800? Dana, Either they finally found the true market value to move the pc, or they're tapering it off. I'd give that about an 80% / 20% ratio. That said, GO BUY ONE! Course I'm still pretty tickled with my 5 wk old '97!!! Patrick in La. '97 Thumper Rabbit -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:44:56 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC800: Carb Synch At 22:39 5/8/98 -0400, you wrote: >Dealer said $44. Sounds quite cheap to me (or did he say $144 and I >mis-interpreted him?). Is carb sync a routine maintenance / tune-up >item for the PC800? Scot, If you don't take the plastic removal into account, and you have a carb synch tool, adjusting the carbs on the PC is ridiculously easy. $44 is probably an hour's worth of tech time, right? Once the plastic is off it takes but 15 minutes to do the adjustment. BTW, a carb synchronizer costs about the same as having it done once, and the PC responds quite well to having the carbs well adjusted. Good luck. Juan Don't be afraid of death so much as an inadequate life. -Bertolt Brecht --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '91 Suzuki VX800 University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 08:20:40 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Ronald Grant" (by way of "Juan A. Goula" ) (by way of "Juan A. Goula" ) Subject: PC800: Please post to pc list, thanks. This is only the first part......enough fro now... NICARAGUA NAVIGATING On leaving Tegucigalpa, after getting “special” permission to pay for my $25 visa to Nicaragua in Honduran money, I headed south on a route that would take me through Danli, and then the border.I wanted to go through Danli as I knew it had a number of cigar factories, and even before entering town I spotted them. It was easy to tell as what else would a number of large buildings with groups of women eating lunch outside be, in this area? A couple of guided tours and some bargain buys later, and I was on my way to Nicaragua. From previous crossings I knew to hire the services of one of the young guys that approached as I throttled down to the customs area. They KNOW exactly what you must do, and are usually more than happy with payment that would not exceed 10% of what you will pay for “official” charges. Driving a vehicle through costs between $20 and $40 per border for the vehicle, and you pay both in and out of each country My first stop in Nicaragua was the town of Esteli, where I hoped to find a good Spanish Language School, as two were mentioned in my guidebook. I found one, but the price had doubled to $240/wk lessons and homestay, and the other had moved and I could not find it. I really was becoming frustrated due to language difficulties, and wanted to take some lessons. But I was also frustrated riding around looking for the school, so I decided to head on to Leon. I was pleasantly impressed by Leon, it was here that I noticed the standard practice in Nicaraguan cities of paving all urban streets with an interlocking stone, a sort of upgraded cobblestone. They were not always in perfect condition, but a definite measure better than the common packed dust of Honduras. But after an afternoon walking around the center, and being unable to find many of the sights mentioned in my guidebook, I returned to my Pension shaking my head at either the incompetent guidebook authors, or my own woeful navigation powers. You see, as I was later to figure out, I had been fooled by my previous C.A. town explorations. Most are easy to find one’s bearings, just head for the big church in the center of town, pull out the map, and head off from there. Well, in Leon, that technique did not work! Simple explanation, really, but it took some head scratching to figure out. Leon has 12 big churches, several fronting plazas that would easily pass for “zocalo” areas in other towns. So I had been at the wrong “center”, and of course could not find anything from there. Once I was correctly oriented, I did a tour of about 6 of the churches, and could not help but marvel at the resource spending priorities of the early catholic inhabitants. I decided to bypass Managua for the moment, and there is a route that takes you up a mountain range overlooking the city and its facing lake, a magnificent ride, both for the view and the topography.Along the top of the ridge the wind was blowing a gale, and the town seemed to be there to service the high altitude coffee fields with many old stone storage buildings in a state of semi disrepair. Coming down to near sea level, at Grenada, I was now in probably the best preserved and most attractive town in the country. I found a great pension, and set off on foot to explore. Grenada uses a large number of horse drawn taxis for transport which really add to the old world atmosphere. I love this “quaint” stuff, but I must admit I had NFL playoff games on my mind, as this was the weekend of the last two games before the superbowl. I wondered if I would be able to watch them, so I felt lucky when I bumped into a Canadian that had a hotel room with cable TV, and a similar interest. He invited me to watch with him, the next day, as he was pretty sure the games would be available. Well, come Sunday, and my new friend had been 1/2 right. The first game we saw, with Spanish commentary, but the second was not on the channels beamed to Grenada, so we decided to sit by the pool, have a beer, and just casually leave the TV there on. Indeed we were able to watch the game, sort of. We watched some other foolish sport, can’t remember golf or tennis, but they did the game on the “Blue Line” that runs underneath the main picture. Every 20 minutes or so a new score would roll across the bottom of the screen!! It was here by the pool that I had my first encounter with a group of people that I would later learn were often referred to as “Sandalistas”, a play on the name Sandanistas, given to the revolutionary regime that had successfully deposed the dictator Somoza in 1979, only to loose power themselves in an election in 1990. During the period of Sandanista government , and beyond, a large number of people from around the world, but mainly from the USA and Canada, went to Nicaragua with the intention of “aiding’ the new government in “rebuilding” the country. Often the nature of this help, and the people that gave it, have been of a very curious form. At first, there were the idealistic in their sandals and tie-dyed clothing, volunteering to pick the coffee crop. A noble sentiment, but most such people could have only the fraction of success as your average experienced peasant at such a gruelling task. The group of ladies in their mid-50’s down from Wisconsin that I met by the pool were here to “help the local women with their sewing skills.” I had seen lots of the exquisite embroidery craftwork produced in this area, and for the life of me could not see how the locals needed any help. Of course all the local work was done by hand, and seemed to me to be requiring skills I could not imagine middle class American women possessing, much less be able to improve! Somehow, I thought, something is amiss here, as I listened to these “aid workers” brag how they had talked different craft sellers prices down at the local market when gathering souvenirs for the trip home! I had seen a recent flier for the Spanish School in Esteli that I had been unable to locate on my trip down, so I called them, confirmed the new location and price, and arranged to enrol on Monday. Early am. saw me off back up north, where I was installed with a local family and started my 4 hours a day of private lessons. This is really the only way to learn the language, and at $120/wk. including room and board is a bargain! I kind of liked Esteli, a rather beat up country town of about 60, 000.One thing I definitely liked was the feeling of security I had there, no worries walking around at any reasonable hour.It had quite a war history, in fact a number of municipal buildings have purposely been left with shell-pocked walls so people will not forget. I had some frustration’s with the learning process, but did indeed pick up a conversational ability in the 2 weeks there that would serve me well for the rest of the trip. And Estili had LOTS of cigar factories! I ended up visiting about six, and was able to gather some information about the interesting manufacturing process.I had long wondered about the “costs breakdown” of the cigar that sells for $8 in the USA. Well I don’t know where all the costs come from, but I do know that workers making $50/wk. make 400 cigars/day after 1 weeks training! Actually, I lie, two workers together complete the process, so that’s really only 200 cigars a day each. Hmmmm... so much for the rolling “mystique” they tried to foist on me at the stores on Madison Ave.My most successful factory visit ended with the owner pressing on me two handfuls of his biggest, fattest, free samples, easily $50 worth by USA prices! Well it was time to brave Managua. I had heard so much about it , and NONE of the reports were complimentary. I hate getting lost on motorcycle trips, and all said that it is a nightmare to navigate, courtesy of NO street signs. Also everything you hear mentions the “world’s worst “ slums. This kid did NOT feel like getting lost in one of them. So I prepared as best I could, studied the map, and “kind of” knew where the guest house I was headed for was located. Is it not often the way with expectations....when you expect a task to be a real problem it turns out easy as “pie!” A few stops for directions on uncrowded, wide roads and I was at the door of my accommodation, easy! Not only that, but it was in a fine, quiet, residential area nicer than anywhere I had yet stayed! Later that Saturday afternoon I went out to the lakeside area, the part of town that had been devastated by the 1974 earthquake. All reports had described it as a moonscape shambles. I found a developed park foreshore, with many kiosks selling food and drink to locals while their children rode bicycles and played in the grass.Many cities would envy such a respite area.Later, riding down a number of sidestreets, I did indeed see some of the notorious slums, but in fact my lasting impression of Managua is of a city with many charming spots. Ron Grant in Brisbane, Australia! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with SMTP id 295 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:58:12 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Douglas Ford" To: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: PC800: Rust or "feature"? Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:59:41 -0400 Importance: Normal Listers, May I pose yet another question for you all? There is a pan or something directly in front of the rear tire, underneath the bike with a plug-looking "thingy". Maybe the oil pan?? Anyhow, it appears to be developing what looks like rust. Is this something that I should be concerned about? My bike is only a few months old....it's a '97 with roughly 3400 miles on it. It's the only place on the whole bike that I can see this happening. Should I get a scrub brush and go at it, or just let it do its thing? Thanks. Doug Ford Odenton, MD -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 14:25:54 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC800: Rust or "feature"? At 17:59 5/11/98 -0400, you wrote: >May I pose yet another question for you all? There is a pan or something >directly in front of the rear tire, underneath the bike with a plug-looking >"thingy". Maybe the oil pan?? Anyhow, it appears to be developing what >looks like rust. Is this something that I should be concerned about? My >bike is only a few months old....it's a '97 with roughly 3400 miles on it. >It's the only place on the whole bike that I can see this happening. Should >I get a scrub brush and go at it, or just let it do its thing? Thanks. Doug, If I can visualize what you are saying, you are probably talking about the muffler. The PC's real muffler is under the bike, a big, ugly and ungainly thing. The chrome part is just (mostly) for show. I guess it really depends on how "AR" you really want to be about it. My '90 has a bit of rust on it, but nothing serious. Then again, Fairbanks climate is considered desert, so rust is no big deal around here. Michael Mckay ( I believe) had to replace the exhaust system and spent mucho dinero on it, because of rust. If you really don't mind, you could get the rust off and repaint it with a rustproofer, but of course you will have to decide that. BTW, the plug "thingy" is probably the rubber stop for the side or centerstand. Juan Don't be afraid of death so much as an inadequate life. -Bertolt Brecht --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '91 Suzuki VX800 University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 19:01:31 -0400 From: "Dana L. Sawyer" Subject: PC800: PC 800 for sale To: HondaPacificCoastOwners , HSTA Postings to List FOR SALE - 1990 Honda Pacific Coast PC800.....................$2,500.00 I have a '90 Pacific Coast that I have had since it was new. except for riding my wife occasionally as a passenger, no one else has ridden it. People are amazed when I tell them that it is eight years old and has...74,000 miles on it! = It looks and runs almost like brand new! It has NEVER been abused in any way. The engine has rarely been above 5,000 RPM and I have always shifted= at low RPMs. There is absolutely nothing else that I would part with it for except for= another one just like it! And...for some time I have been thinking about getting a new one. My plans are to buy a new '97 or '98. I need to make a quick decision, hence this post... I know that you probably say NO WAY! I would never buy a motorcycle with that many miles! Read on... I am 64 years young...A retired employee of the state of South Carolina (but a New Hampshire native.) I have ridden bikes all my life, and in 1982 I founded the Honda Sport Touring Association. I will tell you without reservation that there is no other Pacific Coast anywhere that has received any better treatment than mine! It has always been garaged, Only the tires have touched the ground! I have complete service records, and Randy Morgan, my mechanic at Champion Honda in Charleston will attest to its condition. I ride 100 miles to have him wor= k on it because of his expertise. (even though we have a dealership here in= Columbia!) You will have to look very, very hard to find even one scratch= on it! If I do sell it, I will have my mechanic swap seats (I have a Corbin), remove a GiVi luggage rack and other items to put it back in stock condition. Upon request I will send my shop maintenance records of the bike for you= r perusal. = I asked the owner of Champion Honda what a fair retail price would be for= a '90 Pacific Coast. He said from $3,000 - $3,500. Discounting $500.00 for the mileage from the bottom end figure, (as there= is nothing else to reduce the price for,) and to avoid any haggling, I wi= ll sell you my bike for $2,500. = This is a beautiful bike, and if you see it and ride it, you will buy it!= I have enjoyed it for eight years, and want a new toy! I have already had some interest in my bike, but I do not have a security= deposit on it at present. I suggest that if you are interested, do not delay in contacting me! It will be sold this week for sure.... Please call me at 803/781-4293 and I'll be glad to discuss my bike with you. I will say this...I will probably regret selling it, but, if you buy= it, you will never regret it! Dana -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 19:01:33 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Tom Ambrosio Subject: PC800: Givi only solution? I'm interested in getting a trunk for my '95 PC. I want one that fits the bike well without having to make permanent modifications. I know people here talk about Givi. I sent them an email and am awaiting their response. If any one has a particular Givi trunk and rack model recommendation, I would appreciate it. Is there any other alternative than Givi? Tom Ambrosio Evansville, IN '95 PC800 http://www.evansville.net/~tambrosi -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'Juan A. Goula'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Rust or "feature"? Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 20:04:14 -0400 I wondered if (Juan wrote: The PC's real muffler is under the bike, a big, ugly and ungainly thing. The chrome part is just (mostly) for show) the part of the '97 cost reduction exercise that removed the "chrome part" would result in the rusty box sticking out like a sore thumb. The exhaust system on my '90 looked rusty but was in good shape after 114K but the muffler was replaced under warranty at 64K due to a rattling inside. The conclusion was the baffles had broken loose. Roger > -----Original Message----- > From: Juan A. Goula [SMTP:jgoula@ims.uaf.edu] > Sent: Monday, May 11, 1998 6:26 PM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: Rust or "feature"? > > At 17:59 5/11/98 -0400, you wrote: > > >May I pose yet another question for you all? There is a pan or > something > >directly in front of the rear tire, underneath the bike with a > plug-looking > >"thingy". Maybe the oil pan?? Anyhow, it appears to be developing > what > >looks like rust. Is this something that I should be concerned about? > My > >bike is only a few months old....it's a '97 with roughly 3400 miles > on it. > >It's the only place on the whole bike that I can see this happening. > Should > >I get a scrub brush and go at it, or just let it do its thing? > Thanks. > > Doug, > > If I can visualize what you are saying, you are probably talking about > the > muffler. The PC's real muffler is under the bike, a big, ugly and > ungainly > thing. The chrome part is just (mostly) for show. I guess it really > depends on how "AR" you really want to be about it. My '90 has a bit > of > rust on it, but nothing serious. Then again, Fairbanks climate is > considered desert, so rust is no big deal around here. Michael Mckay > ( I > believe) had to replace the exhaust system and spent mucho dinero on > it, > because of rust. > > If you really don't mind, you could get the rust off and repaint it > with a > rustproofer, but of course you will have to decide that. > > BTW, the plug "thingy" is probably the rubber stop for the side or > centerstand. > > Juan > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 16:14:50 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC800: Givi only solution? At 19:01 5/11/98 -0500, Tom Ambrosio wrote: >If any one has a particular Givi trunk and rack model >recommendation, I would appreciate it. There are several models available, in two main styles. The older style has 36L and 46L models in different colors. They are kind of a "rounded cubist" design. The newer style includes 36L, 46L and 50L models, in a variety of colors, some of them match Honda colors with smooth texture lids. I believe most of us with PC's opt for the 50L model, the Maxia. These are a more modern "aerodynamic" design. There is only one rack available for the PC800. You can check them out at http://www.givi.it You will have to go through a local dealer since they do not sell direct. We convinced one of our dealers here to become authorized by Givi, so now all I have to do is ride over to him and have full access to his catalogs. >Is there any other alternative than Givi? For the PC, don't know, but as far as manufacturers, I am aware of at least three more: Kappa (which was recently acquired by GiVi) Nonfango Krauser Good luck. Don't be afraid of death so much as an inadequate life. -Bertolt Brecht --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '91 Suzuki VX800 University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'Tom Ambrosio'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Givi only solution? Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 20:17:09 -0400 There is only one rack from GiVi for the PC. It is designed for the PC and I don't consider it a permanent change. The four bolts that mount the grab rail/rear seat are removed and the rack hardware is mounted using longer bolts. There is a large selection of bags (GiVi) to pick from. http://www.givi.it/sub_index/g_distr.html Roger > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Ambrosio [SMTP:tambrosi@evansville.net] > Sent: Monday, May 11, 1998 8:02 PM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: Givi only solution? > > I'm interested in getting a trunk for my '95 PC. I want one > that fits the bike well without having to make permanent > modifications. I know people here talk about Givi. I sent them > an email and am awaiting their response. > > If any one has a particular Givi trunk and rack model > recommendation, I would appreciate it. Is there any other > alternative than Givi? > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (IPAD 2.05) id 3881100 ; Mon, 11 May 1998 21:57:05 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 22:01:57 -0400 From: Scot Piper To: Gaffneydp CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Holy thought... I must report that I am returning the Stealth Edging I recently purchased. It was fine up until ~65mph, then too much noise. Since I have a stereo, and have run the Honda tall shield, I can not live with the wind noise. I will have to go back to the Honda tall shield until a better solution comes along (I hate looking through it, but can ride triple digits with my face shield up and still listen to the stereo comfortably). Here's a thought. A holy thought... How about adding some ventilation to the short shield like the ST-1100 shield. I'm thinking it would reduce air pressure coming over the top, and hopefully noise. Any thoughts on this idea? Also, how about a modification to the short shield where either a "winglet" is added for a couple inches of height, or some type of curve is added to the top of the shield (again like the ST-1100) to change the air flow. I'm trying to find a lexan type material that I can either clip on, and/or mold slightly to change the air flow pattern to a steeper angle. It's bugging me that I can't find a solution to a shield that I can see over, but still have quiet conditions to ride with my face shield up and hear the stereo. Scot '89 PC800 --------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m28.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id VFG25065; Mon, 11 May 1998 21:56:44 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 20:59:08 -0400 Subject: PC800: One more time..... From: swift24@juno.com (John D Louk) Greetings Coasters.... Well, having subjected my '90 PC to a strip of many of her gorgeous candy glory red panels and having opened up and carefully inspected the infamous vacuum-operated fuel valve, I have concluded the culprit of the dreaded "gas odor" lies elsewhere. I cannot detect any traces on the exterior of the valve, carburetors, hoses, clamps or other paraphanelia of an overt sign of a gas leak. Indeed, my gas cap hisses righteously each time I begin to open it. There is pressure within after a ride. I did replace the Honda air filter with a K&N model # HA 8089 filter. It takes an act of faith to remove the two "O" rings from the upper and lower halves of the airbox as instructed but that's the only way the K&N will properly seal. Bite the bullet and do it. During the course of the filter exchange, I did notice the left carburetor had some residue in the area of the rubber clamp which attaches the airbox to the carb, on the inside as though a backfire might have washed it once or twice. Not much, but some. Of the carburetors themselves, they're as clean looking both inside and out as the day they left the factory. Hmmm. After a brief (?) two hour test ride after reassembly of the cycle, there remains a faint but distinct aroma of gas upon shutdown. I can live with it I guess. Last recorded gas mileage was 40.5 mpg. before the teardown. John Louk Carmel, IN '90 PC "Ruby" 28K _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 03:10:46 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mark & Cathy Kaiser" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: Holy thought... Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 19:58:41 -0700 Scot- Like yourself, I am really bugged I can't seem to come up with a windshield solution I can live with. Re: your ideas, I have looked into the venting issue myself. I don't think additional venting will lessen the wind noise, and could make it worse. I was hoping that additional venting would reduce some of the "back pressure" created by my tall Hondaline shield, as well as provide some cool air flow for summer riding. The Gold Wing has a nifty rectangular vent that would work, but it was too expensive. I did get hold of some replacement pop-out vents for the old Vetter Windjammer fairing. The Vetter windshield wasn't as curved as the PC's so the vents don't look like they will fit perfectly flat in the closed position, but they still look like they will function adequately. If someone on the list has an old, scratched up Honda windshield they could donate, stock or Hondaline, I will gladly do the testing and report the results here. I also checked into the viability of forming a curved, 'flip-up' edge on the Honda windshield. I believe the Honda shield is made of Lexan plastic. A plastic manufacturing and supply place I deal with said that Lexan is cold formed. If this is true my wife will be relieved that I won't be using her oven for another one of my projects ;-) I'm a little leary of just trying to bend a shield cold and would again like to experiment/practice with a junker shield if someone has a donor available. My plan is to build a 2-piece wooden form and squeeze a curve onto the edge in a hydraulic press. Also, I was wondering what airflow effects others experienced after installing one of these trunks everyone is talking about. People tend to overestimate how much affect the shape of the front of an object has on aerodynamics. My experience has been that the best aerodynamic shapes depend a lot on how quickly and smoothly you can close the air flow behind the object. Do any trunk owners out there feel that their bike got quieter or the back pressure became less after installing a trunk? Regards, Mark 97 RED kaismo@worldnet.att.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'swift24@juno.com'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: One more time..... Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:26:57 -0400 I have used a '89 windshield on all my PCs. I have a rubber spoiler on it. It is a rubber device that attaches with tape. I believe it is distributed by Lockhart. It blocks your vision. I found that it gave me the equivalent protection of the stock windshield with a net height 3" lower. I did it because the top of the stock is at my eye level. And it's greatly distorted. Bothers my stomach. Works for me. Roger > -----Original Message----- > From: swift24@juno.com [SMTP:swift24@juno.com] > Sent: Monday, May 11, 1998 8:59 PM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: One more time..... > > Greetings Coasters.... > > Well, having subjected my '90 PC to a strip of many of her gorgeous > candy > glory red panels and having opened up and carefully inspected the > infamous vacuum-operated fuel valve, I have concluded the culprit of > the > dreaded "gas odor" lies elsewhere. I cannot detect any traces on the > exterior of the valve, carburetors, hoses, clamps or other > paraphanelia > of an overt sign of a gas leak. > Indeed, my gas cap hisses righteously each time I begin to open it. > There is pressure within after a ride. > > I did replace the Honda air filter with a K&N model # HA 8089 filter. > It > takes an act of faith to remove the two "O" rings from the upper and > lower halves of the airbox as instructed but that's the only way the > K&N > will properly seal. Bite the bullet and do it. > > During the course of the filter exchange, I did notice the left > carburetor had some residue in the area of the rubber clamp which > attaches the airbox to the carb, on the inside as though a backfire > might > have washed it once or twice. Not much, but some. Of the carburetors > themselves, they're as clean looking both inside and out as the day > they > left the factory. Hmmm. > > After a brief (?) two hour test ride after reassembly of the cycle, > there > remains a faint but distinct aroma of gas upon shutdown. I can live > with > it I guess. > > Last recorded gas mileage was 40.5 mpg. before the teardown. > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'pc800 list'" Subject: FW: PC800: One more time..... Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:28:51 -0400 I forgot. $25 for the spoiler. > -----Original Message----- > I have used a '89 windshield on all my PCs. I have a rubber spoiler > on it. It is a rubber device that attaches with tape. I believe it > is distributed by Lockhart. It blocks your vision. I found that it > gave me the equivalent protection of the stock windshield with a net > height 3" lower. I did it because the top of the stock is at my eye > level. And it's greatly distorted. Bothers my stomach. Works for > me. > > Roger > > -----Original Message----- > From: swift24@juno.com [SMTP:swift24@juno.com] > Sent: Monday, May 11, 1998 8:59 PM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: One more time..... > > Greetings Coasters.... > > Well, having subjected my '90 PC to a strip of many of her gorgeous > candy > glory red panels and having opened up and carefully inspected the > infamous vacuum-operated fuel valve, I have concluded the culprit of > the > dreaded "gas odor" lies elsewhere. I cannot detect any traces on the > exterior of the valve, carburetors, hoses, clamps or other > paraphanelia > of an overt sign of a gas leak. > Indeed, my gas cap hisses righteously each time I begin to open it. > There is pressure within after a ride. > > I did replace the Honda air filter with a K&N model # HA 8089 filter. > It > takes an act of faith to remove the two "O" rings from the upper and > lower halves of the airbox as instructed but that's the only way the > K&N > will properly seal. Bite the bullet and do it. > > During the course of the filter exchange, I did notice the left > carburetor had some residue in the area of the rubber clamp which > attaches the airbox to the carb, on the inside as though a backfire > might > have washed it once or twice. Not much, but some. Of the carburetors > themselves, they're as clean looking both inside and out as the day > they > left the factory. Hmmm. > > After a brief (?) two hour test ride after reassembly of the cycle, > there > remains a faint but distinct aroma of gas upon shutdown. I can live > with > it I guess. > > Last recorded gas mileage was 40.5 mpg. before the teardown. > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 22:34:48 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: kaismo@worldnet.att.net CC: PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: Holy thought... My ride got quieter (front and rear seats) after installing the 29" Rifle. But the back pressure got worse. I don't remember the trunk making any difference. Next time I ride I will try it with off and get back with you. I have plenty of back pressure with it on. What ever you do, don't mount wings on the sides of a Rifle because you can't turn the bar without hitting the wings. I have a new shield on order now because my old one has a few extra holes in it. They aren't big enough for air but they sure are ugly. I am going back with a 20" tinted shield with Saeng edging for summer riding and save the swiss cheese shield for winter riding. I look through it but I will look over the shorter one. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 46 Liter GIVI Bag, Rifle Shield, and too many other options to list. (My Wife might see!) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 06:08:09 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Holy thought... Hi, Scot: I wish you luck in trying to solve the wind-noise problem. However, as one of the resident safety minions on the list, I am moved to speak ill of your wanting to ride with your face shield open. That's not a good idea in that it makes for even more noise and it sacrifices eye and face protection just to be able to hear music coming from outside your helmet. A windshield of any height is not designed to be nor will it function as adequate eye protection (even though it meets the legal requirement in some states). My solution to your problem would be to get a "quiet" full-coverage helmet (like a Shoei RF-800) and equip it with a set of top quality helmet speakers. That way you can hear your music far better than you ever could from dash-mounted speakers (and at the same time protect others from having to listen to music they might just as soon not be hearing) and by keeping the shield sealed make sure the birds and the bees stay out of your face. Just a thought. JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: One more time..... Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 14:02:28 +0200 > Last recorded gas mileage was 40.5 mpg. before the teardown. Hi John and everyone else, In response to your mileage and others reported recently I find my '90 PC extremely lean running. It uses average between 53 mpg (freeway commuting, 75-80 mph) and 62.5 mpg (provincial touring,average 55 mph). I usually do this "solo", but even with a first officer on board this doesn't differ a lot. I know that the pilot has the most infuence on the fuel burn, but I think I have a pretty sporty riding style. Fuel burn is allways in the back of my mind though, I let the bike roll out on idle before using the brakes (not the engine) to stop for traffic lights etc. I've got the tall Honda screen on, but with the limited knowledge I have on aerodynamics this would only make worse fuel burn because of the turbulent low pressure area behind the pilot. My maintenance shop told me something about the PC800 I didn't see before on the list. Because of the strict environmental laws in the USA, the mixture knob is made 'unreachable' by the factory after setting it to their default mixture. This means you can't lean the engine after it's run in. He found a way to adjust the mixture with the help of some tools. This adjustment would let the engine run on a very smooth idle (he says). I don't know if this was allready done to my engine because next tuesday will be the first time it's going into maintenance since I own it. Anyone else who heard this before ? He also told me about another PC800 customer who rides a lot and was very happy with a bridgestone tire installed up front. Bridgestone is only available for the front end and is slightly smaller (don't know where) then the Dunlop/Metzler. According to this customer it made the PC extremely manoeuvrable (MORE manoeuvrable ??). Anyone else with Bridgestone experience ? BTW, a big service runover (translation may differ), no tires, costs ca f400 - f450 NLG at that shop (near Uithoorn). The lend-bike (CB1) is free. How does this compare (for the dutchmen/-women) ? Thanks in advance, ________________________________ [ Emile Nossin ] [ "It's No sin to be glad you're alive" ] [ '90 PC800 "Flying Dutchman" ] [ Santpoort, Holland ] [ Emile@ThePentagon.com ] [________________________________] > Last recorded gas mileage was 40.5 mpg. before the teardown. > > John Louk > Carmel, IN > '90 PC "Ruby" 28K -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Holy thought... Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 14:24:40 +0200 > Hi, Scot: > > I wish you luck in trying to solve the wind-noise problem. However, as one of > the resident safety minions on the list, I am moved to speak ill of your > wanting to ride with your face shield open. That's not a good idea in that it > makes for even more noise and it sacrifices eye and face protection just to be > able to hear music coming from outside your helmet. A windshield of any > height is not designed to be nor will it function as adequate eye protection > (even though it meets the legal requirement in some states). My solution Hi JT, I also ride mostly with my face shield open, looking thru my tall Honda screen. In my case (BMW evolution 3 helmet) this configuration is a lot more quiet than shield down. In fact with the helmet closed (which I allmost never do) I prefer to wear earplugs. Closed integral (full face) helmets act as bass drums for your ears, amplifying the wind-noise. The thick plastic windscreen is a pretty obvious eye protector, I think. As a pilot, my eyes are pretty important to me and I trust the thick screen more than the thin visor. Needless to say, I don't agree with your opinion. Btw, I didn't know it was illegal in some states to ride wih your visor open :)) ________________________________ [ Emile Nossin ] [ "It's No sin to be glad you're alive" ] [ '90 PC800 "Flying Dutchman" ] [ Santpoort, Holland ] [ Emile@ThePentagon.com ] [________________________________] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 08:31:12 -0700 From: Phil Lewis To: JTSMCRIDER , Mike T Whited CC: PC800 Group Subject: Re: PC800: Cross-Country Trip? Hello Again! I'd like to thank everybody for their suggestions and help with my planning of a "long" ride. My final conclusion is that unless I can get 2 full weeks, it just wouldn't be very enjoyable. So, I guess I'll have to settle for flying out to see my friends.................., and just cruising the West Coast and enjoying the view of the Pacific Ocean, when I have a spare week. I'm still thinking about Taos in June, but will I be allowed to go there on a Kawasaki!!?? :) Thanks again, Phil -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Holy thought... From: Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org (Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 08:35:17 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800) On Tue, May 12, 1998, 12:24:40 PM GMT Emile Nossin wrote: >In my case (BMW evolution 3 helmet) this configuration is a lot more quiet >than shield down. I find that the same is true when wearing my Shoei RF-200. With the shield up and the stock windscreen with Saeng edging it is pretty quiet up to about 75 mph (I'm 5' 9"). When I shut the visor the helmet amplifies the air hitting the top of the helmet. I wear glasses, so riding with the visor up really isn't a safety issue, so the ONLY problem is that the suction over the top of the helmet makes the visor drop about 3/4 of the way every few minutes higher speeds (annoying). I'll be investing in a Helmet with a stronger visor ratchet and go from there (perhaps a Shoei RF-700 as they're on sale everywhere). Suggestions anyone? Greg '97 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PLeray Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:19:24 EDT To: kaismo@worldnet.att.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Holy thought... Mark, You're right concerning the aerodynamics of the back end of an object. CYCLE magazine did a really well-done report in the early/mid '80s comparing in a wind tunnel, various shapes, relating, of course, to m/c's, but also transposable to all objects in an airflow. The results showed that a square-fronted / tapered-back object will produce less drag than a needle-nosed object with a flat back. The turbulence behind it literally holds it back. Anything that helps the air pocket close smoothly behind, will improve mileage and reduce power necessary to maintain speed. Look at the solar-powered endurance racers, lonnnnnng tails. Make me grin when I see the tractor-trailers with the "streamlining" risers over the cabs. Wonder how much those puppies cost 'em? And how much benefit? So you're right, a tail bag should help somewhat. And our pc's have that nice smooth trunk along the sides. Patrick in La. '97 Thumper Rabbit -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m15.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id ODH16549; Tue, 12 May 1998 14:23:51 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: swift24@juno.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:24:24 -0700 Subject: Re: PC800: One more time..... From: chargerblue@juno.com (Samuel Davis III) >I did replace the Honda air filter with a K&N model # HA 8089 filter. >It takes an act of faith to remove the two "O" rings from the upper >and lower halves of the airbox as instructed but that's the only way >the K&N will properly seal. Bite the bullet and do it. I just replaced my Air Filter yesterday with the K&N . I hope that the "Act of Faith" that you're talking about is just good ol' boy sarcasm because I sure didn't see an "O" anywhere that needed to be removed. Have I missed something or is my bike missing something? Namely them there "O" rings! Sammy D, The Chargers, Lakers and my Honda Pacific Coast. Southern California, ..............what a great place to live!!! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469 Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 01:56:00 EDT To: kaismo@worldnet.att.net, PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Holy thought... The Rifle Wind Screen is mounted on a small 5" fairing. The fairing changes the the screen's angle of attack into the wind greatly reducing wind noise. The fairing also helps eliminate the back pressure. The GiVi Top Case will further reduce the back pressure. Clearview has started making Wind Screens for the PC. Riders of other brands and models say the Clearview is as effective as a Rifle. I don't know about the Clearview. Anyone out there have any experience? For what it is worth, following is are a two reports I submitted to the list a couple of years ago after installing a Rifle. Bernie Report 1 I put a 22 inch Rifle Wind Screen on my 1994 P.C. this Saturday. Saturday evening I took a 150 mile round trip, from Overland Park, Kansas to St. Joseph, Missouri, to test the screen. I am just under 6 feet, and if I sit up and hold my head erect, I can look just over the Rifle. When I go up a hill I am looking through the screen and riding down a hill I am, depending upon the grade, I am looking four to five inches above the shield. The position is a little bit of a strain from my normal slouch, so I may eventually cut a inch from the screen or trade for the 20 inch version. The finish of the Rifle is not quite as good as Honda's original equipment, but it is far from unacceptable. During this trip the biggest difference I noticed is that ear plugs are no longer a requirement for highway driving. I can actually hear the engine at 75 m.p.h. . (The P.C. has one hell of a smooth power plant if you listen. It sounds more like an electric motor than a gasoline engine.) A full face helmet is no longer necessary to keep your eyeballs in your head. In fact, I rode with the face mask wide open most of the way. I rode a series of two lane highways up to St. Joseph and took Interstate 29 on the return trip. It may be my imagination, but the bike seems to less subject to cross winds and the turbulence caused by large vehicles with the Rifle than without the Rifle. This may be because you are more protected and you don't feel the contours of the wind wrapping around your body. On the return trip I had difficulty maintaining my normal 75 m.p.h. cruise (5000 r.p.m.) without the constant reminder of the wind. The P.C. kept drifting up to speeds that before the Rifle would of been uncomfortable. (A couple of times I found myself straying above 90 m.p.h., heading toward the century mark. It is a little scarcely to look down at your speedometer and find your are cruising a just below 100 miles per hour.) To maintain any semblance to the posted 70 m.p.h. speed limit I had to make an effort to constantly refer to the speedometer. This is a primary impression and I don't know about how the screen will affect my gas mileage, what riding double will be like or how the Rifle will perform in the rain. But, I will keep you posted. A Pacific Coast with a Rifle is a different motorcycle. It extends the motorcycle from a machine more happy on the two lanes to a true interstate highway, coast to coast, cruiser. Anyone doing serious touring should consider the Rifle. Their bodies' will thank them for it at the end of the day. Report 2 I have had my Rifle Fairing and Windscreen for a few weeks. Actually I have had two windscreens. I originally installed a 22 inch screen, but I had to look through it or stretch uncomfortably to look over it. ( I am just under six feet tall. ) Courtesy of a fellow list member from the Twin Cities I acquired a 20 inch screen, which I installed on the fairing send by Rifle. The reinstallation was quite simple. I even managed to peal the insulating material from the 22 inch screen during its removal, to be used by the new 20 inch screen. The only damaged was the stripping of one of the vinyl screws. Riding behind the 22 inch screen you were completely shielded, isolated may be a better term. You could ride the PC through a Kansas tornado behind a 22 inch screen without putting your face mask down. The loudest sound you heard was the hissing of the engine at 5,500 r.p.m. , or the clanks of gear changes. A conversation with a passenger could be conducted in almost normal tones. The wind coming around the screen seemed to form a cocoon encapsulating both the passenger and driver. I found it difficult looking through the screen. The constant movement of the screen's top edge through my field of vision, as the bike went up and down hills, was very distracting. Also, my night vision was detrimentally affected by looking through the screen. Maybe, at 59 I can't see as well in the dark as I did at 21. The 20 inch screen is much more to my liking. My line of sight is about 2 to 3 inches over the screen. There is sightly more wind disturbance as the cocoon hits the top of my helmet, but it is not an unpleasant agitation. (The PC is a sport touring bike.) With my wife on the back, she weights about 110 pounds, and the rear tire inflated to 41 pounds the line of vision remains almost the same as with single riding. Returning from visiting a number of junk shops... correction...antique stores in Paola, Kansas riding double with my wife, we hit a light rain that quickly became a downpour. Riding into rain behind the Honda screen your shirt become soaked long before your pants. The opposite seemed to occur with the Rifle Screen. My pants became wet from the bottom up, and were completely soaked before the rain effectively penetrated the Rifle's cocoon. The Rifle Wind System changes the character of the PC from a back road two lane blacktop runner to a full fledge interstate cruiser. Eight hours of riding at interstate speeds behind a Rifle does not leave your ears ringing (you can leave your ear plugs at home) or your body feeling as if it has gone eight rounds with Jersey Joe. Cross winds appear to effect the bike less and passing an eighteen wheeler is a much more pleasant occurrence. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:48:49 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Holy thought... Hi, Greg: In a message dated 98-05-12 11:34:08 EDT, you write: << I wear glasses, so riding with the visor up really isn't a safety issue>> I wish that were true, but it's not. Glasses may protect you from small projectiles like bugs, but they won't do the job for larger ones. <<. . . the ONLY problem is that the suction over the top of the helmet makes the visor drop about 3/4 of the way every few minutes higher speeds (annoying). I'll be investing in a Helmet with a stronger visor ratchet and go from there (perhaps a Shoei RF-700 as they're on sale everywhere).>> Shoei knows the value of proper eye and face protection, and they have gone to a lot of trouble to design the shield so that it does what you describe. They even point it out in their brochures as one of the positive benefits of their engineering and design. The RF-700/800 and their "high-end" helmets do have a little cam-stop mechanism that you can engage to hold the shield open just a crack when you need a bit of extra ventilation. But they will all close to that point if exposed to a wind speed of about 30 mph or greater. If you sit low enough to be completely in the "calm" air behind the screen, they might stay open (I don't know, because I haven't tried it). Consequently, if you want a shield that will stay up, you will probably have to look someplace else than Shoei (and probably Arai who designs their helmets to much the same set of goals). JT JT Suggestions anyone? >> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:48:51 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Holy thought... Hi, Patrick: In a message dated 98-05-12 11:45:12 EDT, you write: << Make me grin when I see the tractor-trailers with the "streamlining" risers over the cabs. Wonder how much those puppies cost 'em? And how much benefit? >> I don't know what they cost, but every trucker I've talked to says it gives them 10 to 15% better fuel mileage and that they paid for themselves very quickly. In short, they do work very well. I have also noticed that there is less turbulence and a weaker bow wave in the vicinity of the modern tractors. These "fairings" may be permitting a more laminar flow regime which in turn may allow some Kamm-effect drag-reduction benefits at the back of the trailers. But I haven't seen any of the engineering data to back up such speculation. The article you cite was indeed interesting, and it was one of the first in the popular motorcycling press to take note of basic aerodynamic principles commonly known and used in the design of other vehicles. I too have often wondered how much something like a top box and bags combine to affect the drag characteristics of a motorcycle (which are generally horrible). I suspect that the effects may be measureable in a wind tunnel, but some tests I did with my old Gold Wing on the Autobahn while I was in Germany failed to show any benefit in terms of better fuel consumption. It did improve stability a bit at "high speed" (if you can call it that on a '76 Gold Wing). With the saddle bags and top box in place the weave speed moved up from about 85 mph to just under 100 mph. Above 100 mph, the Wing would weave unless there was a passenger in place (perhaps due to better air flow or maybe it was just that the extra weight kept the rear suspension from topping out quite so soon). JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 16:49:43 -0400 From: radrider To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Clearview Just got off the phone with a gentleman from Clearview. He told me they have completed testing on the prototype windshield for the PC and they are very pleased with it's performance. He said literature on the windshield will be available in about a week and production begins in three weeks. Maybe this will be the one. Stan 97 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by smtp.uscom.com with SMTP; 12 May 1998 13:53:11 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 16:52:00 -0400 From: Carl Luft To: "PC800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: Holy thought... Scot Piper wrote: > > > Here's a thought. A holy thought... How about adding some ventilation > to the short shield like the ST-1100 shield. I'm thinking it would > reduce air pressure coming over the top, and hopefully noise. Any > thoughts on this idea? > You can't go back if it don't work. > Also, how about a modification to the short shield where either a > "winglet" is added for a couple inches of height, or some type of curve > is added to the top of the shield (again like the ST-1100) to change the > air flow. I'm trying to find a lexan type material that I can either > clip on, and/or mold slightly to change the air flow pattern to a > steeper angle. > That is a better idea, Try a shop that works with plexyglass and see if they can come up with a curved piece that you then can clamp on and test. who knows, maybe they can produce an entire shield. Carl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 14:54:23 -0700 From: Bob Anundson To: JTSMCRIDER CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Holy thought... JTSMCRIDER wrote: > > Hi, Greg: > > In a message dated 98-05-12 11:34:08 EDT, you write: > > << I wear glasses, so riding with the visor up really isn't a safety > issue>> > > I wish that were true, but it's not. Glasses may protect you from > small > projectiles like bugs, but they won't do the job for larger ones. > > <<. . . the ONLY problem is that the suction over the top of the > helmet makes > the visor drop about 3/4 of the way every few minutes higher speeds > (annoying). I'll be investing in a Helmet with a stronger visor > ratchet and go > from there (perhaps a Shoei RF-700 as they're on sale everywhere).>> > > Shoei knows the value of proper eye and face protection, and they have > gone to > a lot of trouble to design the shield so that it does what you > describe. They > even point it out in their brochures as one of the positive benefits > of their > engineering and design. The RF-700/800 and their "high-end" helmets > do have a > little cam-stop mechanism that you can engage to hold the shield open > just a > crack when you need a bit of extra ventilation. But they will all > close to > that point if exposed to a wind speed of about 30 mph or greater. If > you sit > low enough to be completely in the "calm" air behind the screen, they > might > stay open (I don't know, because I haven't tried it). Consequently, > if you > want a shield that will stay up, you will probably have to look > someplace else > than Shoei (and probably Arai who designs their helmets to much the > same set > of goals). > > JT > > JT > > Suggestions anyone? >> > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. I have an Arai helmet and the shield does come down automatically at about 30 miles per hour. I hold it opened with a large clip used for holding papers together. Regards Bob -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 17:32:56 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Tom Ambrosio Subject: PC800: Givi box Thanks to all who made suggestions for an add on box. The Givi line seems a bit overpriced to me but I must admit that it looks good on the PC's I've seen pictures of. And many have said the quality is good so I think I will go with a Givi box. I emailed Givi and they quoted the Pacific Coast rack, model SR10 for $77. I requested a box big enough to hold two full-sized helmets and they recommended the following: E50 $196.00 E460 179.50 E45 150.50 On their website they say the E460 can be fitted with optional stop lights. I am very interested in the brake lights. I called to inquire some more and to see whether I can order directly from them (I assume I can because he quoted the prices w/o any mention of a dealer in my area...) but they are apparently gone for the evening...no recorded message either. Must be a small office. Anyway, I'll let the list know exactly how much I pay tomorrow when I place my order. I hope the lights aren't too expensive...they shouldn't be! If I'm making a bad decision please let me know now! :-) Tom Ambrosio Evansville, IN '95 PC800 http://www.evansville.net/~tambrosi -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by smtp.uscom.com with SMTP; 12 May 1998 15:58:18 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 18:57:11 -0400 From: Carl Luft To: "PC800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: Clearview radrider wrote: > Just got off the phone with a gentleman from Clearview. He told me they > have completed testing on the prototype windshield for the PC and they > are very pleased with it's performance. He said literature on the > windshield will be available in about a week and production begins in > three weeks. Maybe this will be the one. > > Stan > 97 PC Did you tell him that there's thousands of PC riders awaiting availablity! Carl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Givi box From: Greg_Torok@mail.oppco.org (Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 16:08:14 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List), tambrosi@evansville.net (Tom Ambrosio) On Tue, May 12, 1998, 10:32:56 PM GMT Tom Ambrosio wrote: >I emailed Givi and they quoted the Pacific Coast rack, model >SR10 for $77. I requested a box big enough to hold two >full-sized helmets and they recommended the following: > >E50 $196.00 >E460 179.50 >E45 150.50 > >On their website they say the E460 can be fitted with optional >stop lights. I am very interested in the brake lights. > >I called to inquire some more and to see whether I can order >directly from them (I assume I can because he quoted the prices >w/o any mention of a dealer in my area...) but they are >apparently gone for the evening...no recorded message either. >Must be a small office. > >Anyway, I'll let the list know exactly how much I pay tomorrow >when I place my order. I hope the lights aren't too >expensive...they shouldn't be! > >If I'm making a bad decision please let me know now! :-) I just received my Givi rack today and it is really very nice. Very sturdy and stylish too. It gives the PC an even more futuristic look. I've seen pictures of the 460 in their new catalog. Apparently it is a brand new model. I like the looks of it a lot more than the E50. It's more "organically" shaped like the PC while the E50 is essentially a rounded-off rectangle. The brake light is also very tidy. I don't think Givi will sell you one directly. I had to get my mechanic to apply for a dealership so that he could order the rack for me (the application was essentially a one-page fax, you just need a business license, it took all of 15 minutes to do). You might be able to mail order what you want through one of the places listed on the PC web site. Greg Torok '97PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (IPAD 2.05) id 4020600 ; Tue, 12 May 1998 15:57:25 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 16:02:18 -0400 From: Scot Piper To: BernieK469 CC: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Holy thought... Bernie, Great write-ups. So can you ride with your face shield up with the 20" screen? Is that the shortest one Rifle makes (which as I understand, is 2" taller than the stock shield)??? I hate looking through the Honda tall shield, but it sure is comfortable, and like you, I find myself going a little too fast at times. I thought when I switched to the short shield (Honda stock) I would go even faster. When in fact, the opposite is true, probably due to all the extra wind noise. I have tried to connect to the Clearview site, but no luck. Perhaps it was just down, but twice in 2 days is discouraging. I would like to see what they have to offer. I understand it's a little wider shield??? You raised an interesting point in your message. Do you suppose Rifle would be so generous as to offer PC800 owners the option of exchanging their shield for a different height within a 30 day test period? It would be a great sales tactic for those of us who are unsure what height to purchase. Scot '89 PC800 ---------- BernieK469 wrote: > > The Rifle Wind Screen is mounted on a small 5" fairing. The fairing > changes the the screen's angle of attack into the wind greatly reducing > wind noise. The fairing also helps eliminate the back pressure. The GiVi > Top Case will further reduce the back pressure. Clearview has started > making Wind Screens for the PC. Riders of other brands and models say > the Clearview is as effective as a Rifle. I don't know about the > Clearview. Anyone out there have any experience? > > For what it is worth, following is are a two reports I submitted to the > list a couple of years ago after installing a Rifle. > > Bernie > > Report 1 > I put a 22 inch Rifle Wind Screen on my 1994 P.C. this Saturday. Saturday > evening I took a 150 mile round trip, from Overland Park, Kansas to St. > Joseph, Missouri, to test the screen. I am just under 6 feet, and if I > sit up and hold my head erect, I can look just over the Rifle. When I go > up a hill I am looking through the screen and riding down a hill I am, > depending upon the grade, I am looking four to five inches above the > shield. The position is a little bit of a strain from my normal slouch, > so I may eventually cut a inch from the screen or trade for the 20 inch > version. > > The finish of the Rifle is not quite as good as Honda's original > equipment, but it is far from unacceptable. During this trip the biggest > difference I noticed is that ear plugs are no longer a requirement for > highway driving. I can actually hear the engine at 75 m.p.h. . (The > P.C. has one hell of a smooth power plant if you listen. It sounds more > like an electric motor than a gasoline engine.) A full face helmet is > no longer necessary to keep your eyeballs in your head. In fact, I rode > with the face mask wide open most of the way. I rode a series of two > lane highways up to St. Joseph and took Interstate 29 on the return > trip. It may be my imagination, but the bike seems to less subject to > cross winds and the turbulence caused by large vehicles with the Rifle > than without the Rifle. This may be because you are more protected and > you don't feel the contours of the wind wrapping around your body. On > the return trip I had difficulty maintaining my normal 75 m.p.h. cruise > (5000 r.p.m.) without the constant reminder of the wind. The P.C. kept > drifting up to speeds that before the Rifle would of been uncomfortable. > (A couple of times I found myself straying above 90 m.p.h., heading > toward the century mark. It is a little scarcely to look down at your > speedometer and find your are cruising a just below 100 miles per hour.) > To maintain any semblance to the posted 70 m.p.h. speed limit I had to > make an effort to constantly refer to the speedometer. > > This is a primary impression and I don't know about how the screen will > affect my gas mileage, what riding double will be like or how the Rifle > will perform in the rain. But, I will keep you posted. A Pacific Coast > with a Rifle is a different motorcycle. It extends the motorcycle from a > machine more happy on the two lanes to a true interstate highway, coast > to coast, cruiser. Anyone doing serious touring should consider the > Rifle. Their bodies' will thank them for it at the end of the day. > > Report 2 > I have had my Rifle Fairing and Windscreen for a few weeks. Actually I > have had two windscreens. I originally installed a 22 inch screen, but I > had to look through it or stretch uncomfortably to look over it. ( I am > just under six feet tall. ) Courtesy of a fellow list member from the > Twin Cities I acquired a 20 inch screen, which I installed on the > fairing send by Rifle. The reinstallation was quite simple. I even > managed to peal the insulating material from the 22 inch screen during > its removal, to be used by the new 20 inch screen. The only damaged was > the stripping of one of the vinyl screws. > > Riding behind the 22 inch screen you were completely shielded, isolated > may be a better term. You could ride the PC through a Kansas tornado > behind a 22 inch screen without putting your face mask down. The loudest > sound you heard was the hissing of the engine at 5,500 r.p.m. , or the > clanks of gear changes. A conversation with a passenger could be > conducted in almost normal tones. The wind coming around the screen > seemed to form a cocoon encapsulating both the passenger and driver. I > found it difficult looking through the screen. The constant movement of > the screen's top edge through my field of vision, as the bike went up and > down hills, was very distracting. Also, my night vision was > detrimentally affected by looking through the screen. Maybe, at 59 I > can't see as well in the dark as I did at 21. > > The 20 inch screen is much more to my liking. My line of sight is about > 2 to 3 inches over the screen. There is sightly more wind disturbance as > the cocoon hits the top of my helmet, but it is not an unpleasant > agitation. (The PC is a sport touring bike.) With my wife on the back, > she weights about 110 pounds, and the rear tire inflated to 41 pounds > the line of vision remains almost the same as with single riding. > Returning from visiting a number of junk shops... correction...antique > stores in Paola, Kansas riding double with my wife, we hit a light rain > that quickly became a downpour. Riding into rain behind the Honda > screen your shirt become soaked long before your pants. The opposite > seemed to occur with the Rifle Screen. My pants became wet from the > bottom up, and were completely soaked before the rain effectively > penetrated the Rifle's cocoon. > > The Rifle Wind System changes the character of the PC from a back road > two lane blacktop runner to a full fledge interstate cruiser. Eight > hours of riding at interstate speeds behind a Rifle does not leave your > ears ringing (you can leave your ear plugs at home) or your body feeling > as if it has gone eight rounds with Jersey Joe. Cross winds appear to > effect the bike less and passing an eighteen wheeler is a much more > pleasant occurrence. > > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:14:18 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC800: Givi box At 17:32 5/12/98 -0500, you wrote: >On their website they say the E460 can be fitted with optional >stop lights. I am very interested in the brake lights. Just a couple of caveats: If you have the stop lights, you will have a connector cable, which will a) compromise the weather tightness of the trunk, b) will provide you with a connector that will have to be plugged and un-plugged when you remove the trunk. I know this second one sounds silly, but wait till you get to a destination where you are so tired, or in such a hurry (like rainig or something) that you might forget to unplug it and riiip the connector off. Just something to keep in mind. Also, the E460 looks very nice, but if your helmets are large or extra large you will have to fit them in on their sides, or they might not fit together. Again, something to keep in mind. Good luck with your purchase, let us know how it went. Juan Don't be afraid of death so much as an inadequate life. -Bertolt Brecht --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '91 Suzuki VX800 University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Emile Nossin" To: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: One more time..... Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 01:40:30 +0200 OOOOOOOPS.............. Everybody please disregard the mileage figures I mentioned, I converted liters to Imp.Gallons instead of U.S. Gallons. Why doesn't everybody just use the metric system.........(an airliner once ran out of fuel because of a wrong conversion, right JT ?). Sorry about that, Emile ---------- > Van: HPCE Gerard > Aan: Emile Nossin > Onderwerp: Re: PC800: One more time..... > Datum: dinsdag 12 mei 1998 15:10 > > Hoi Emile, > > 53 mpg!!! Dit zou neer komen op 1:22 bij 120-130 en 62.5 zou komen op > 1:26!!! > Je verbaast mij enorm, omdat ik slechts 1:16.5 - 1:17 haal bij 120km/h op > de snelweg en dit met mijn zojuis aangeschafte '89 (Canadees model, dus met > km op de teller) met 16.000 km op de teller en absoluut geen brandstof > luchtjes. > Ik vind het knap, 1 US gallon is naar mijn weten toch ongeveer 3,75 liter, > of niet? > > Ben zeer nieuwsgierig. > > Groeten Gerard > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: DJewsb Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:42:19 EDT To: tambrosi@evansville.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Givi box Tom- I purchased the E50 and rack a couple of months ago and have no regrets. The trunk is large enough for two full face Shoei helmets with chatterbox radios attached. It removes easily and seems to be of good quality. As some others on the list have mentioned, I would not recommend the purchase of the back rest pad. It forces the rear rider to far forward into an uncomfortable riding position. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Tue, 12 May 1998 20:56:52 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:56:33 -0400 From: "Dana L. Sawyer" Subject: PC800: Price of GiVi stuff To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Someone complained about the high price of GiVi stuff. You need to walk into a BMW shop and price accessories. You'll need some heart medication to prevent an all-out attack! GiVi stuff is top quality and reasonably priced. The fact that you cannot afford it doesn't mean that the price is too hig= h. It just means that the price is too high for you... Dana -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:23:08 +0000 From: Joseph & Donna Kendall To: "Juan A. Goula" CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Givi box Juan A. Goula wrote: > > At 17:32 5/12/98 -0500, you wrote: > >On their website they say the E460 can be fitted with optional > >stop lights. I am very interested in the brake lights. > > Just a couple of caveats: If you have the stop lights, you will have a > connector cable, which will a) compromise the weather tightness of the > trunk, b) will provide you with a connector that will have to be plugged > and un-plugged when you remove the trunk. I know this second one sounds > silly, but wait till you get to a destination where you are so tired, or in > such a hurry (like rainig or something) that you might forget to unplug it > and riiip the connector off. Just something to keep in mind. > > Also, the E460 looks very nice, but if your helmets are large or extra > large you will have to fit them in on their sides, or they might not fit > together. Again, something to keep in mind. Good luck with your purchase, > let us know how it went. > > Juan I agree with you on the connectors, I have an E460 with the third light. The connectors are going to be a weak spot but, with differnet connectors or a quick disconnect in place of the "little" waterproof ones provided they should be fine. The helmet thing is not a problem both of our fit fine, but laid on their sides, not standing up as with the E50 . I agree with the other folks on the looks of the E460, I very much like it and the brake lite, but thats an individuals taste. I f you tour more seriously the bigger the better or whatever suits you. This group is great, I've picked up more here in a month than in other groups in years!!. Joe Kendall 97 PC (bought 3/27) 2510 smiles your "Maine" member -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:32:04 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: Samuel Davis III CC: swift24@juno.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: One more time..... The O- rings are in the groove that the edge of the K&N fits into. There is one in the base and one in the top cover. You may want to check because the edge of the K&N could distort and leak if the rings were left in. I can't believe you were able to get the screws in with the rings still in place. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 46 Liter GIVI Bag, Rifle Shield, and too many other options to list. (My Wife might see!) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:32:38 -0400 From: radrider To: Carl Luft CC: "PC800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: Clearview I don't think they would do the research and development and then go into production if they thought they would only be selling a couple. Stan 97 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'Tom Ambrosio'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Givi box Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:17:36 -0400 In order to have the optional brake light inside the E460 you have to drill a hole in the box and remember to disconnect the wires each time the bag is removed. I bought a 16 LED light from J.C.Whitney for $18 delivered and stuck it underneath the rack with double sided tape. The E50 Maxia looks more like a box but is far easier to pack. I've used both. The 4 liter difference seems greater because the E50 can hold more than the extra 4 liter would lead you to believe. My $.02. Roger P.S. Don't buy the backrest until you are certain you need it. > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Ambrosio [SMTP:tambrosi@evansville.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 6:33 PM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: Givi box > > Thanks to all who made suggestions for an add on box. The Givi > line seems a bit overpriced to me but I must admit that it looks > good on the PC's I've seen pictures of. And many have said the > quality is good so I think I will go with a Givi box. > > I emailed Givi and they quoted the Pacific Coast rack, model > SR10 for $77. I requested a box big enough to hold two > full-sized helmets and they recommended the following: > > E50 $196.00 > E460 179.50 > E45 150.50 > > On their website they say the E460 can be fitted with optional > stop lights. I am very interested in the brake lights. > > I called to inquire some more and to see whether I can order > directly from them (I assume I can because he quoted the prices > w/o any mention of a dealer in my area...) but they are > apparently gone for the evening...no recorded message either. > Must be a small office. > > Anyway, I'll let the list know exactly how much I pay tomorrow > when I place my order. I hope the lights aren't too > expensive...they shouldn't be! > > If I'm making a bad decision please let me know now! :-) > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:56:02 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: Tom Ambrosio CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Givi box Tom, They also offer an add on brake light that fastens to the top side of the trunk. They have two models. One looks flimsy because it is a horizontal bar mounted on a center stalk that looks like it would be easily bent. The other is shaped like a spoiler and attaches on both ends. Looks much sturdier. Both would be in the way when the bag is removed. The stop light in the 460 looks like an original part of the bag and the bag looks like an original part of the bike. I have the 460 w/lite and am very pleased with both. I did change out the plug for a heavier duty plug than the one that came with the bag. I ran it out from the back end of the back seat through the foam seal strip and it would have to be in a hurricane to leak. The add on lights are about $20 as I remember but the 460 light was only about $12. One last thing. I have 2 XL helmets and they have to be on their side to fit. Enjoy and remember you usually get what you pay for. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 46 Liter GIVI Bag, Rifle Shield, and too many other options to list. (My Wife might see!) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) Tue, 12 May 1998 21:34:26 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:22:50 -0500 From: jgeistlubtx@door.net (geist, james) To: "Dana L. Sawyer" , "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: Price of GiVi stuff Dana L. Sawyer wrote: > Someone complained about the high price of GiVi stuff. > You need to walk into a BMW shop and price accessories. > You'll need some heart medication to prevent an all-out attack! > GiVi stuff is top quality and reasonably priced. > The fact that you cannot afford it doesn't mean that the price is too > high. > It just means that the price is too high for you... > > Dana > - You're right about the BMW prices.I was in the BMW shop in Austin, Tx. last week. They wanted $400.00 for a BMW tank bag. Crazy, huh? James Lubbock, Tx. '90 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:40:23 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: "geist, james" CC: "Dana L. Sawyer" , "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: Price of GiVi stuff I think only doctors and lawyers are allowed to buy BMW's, so they can afford all the goodies that you or I couldn't. The rule doesn't apply to used BMW's. They come with all the goodies attached and the new worn off. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 46 Liter GIVI Bag, Rifle Shield, and too many other options to list. (My Wife might see!) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (IPAD 2.05) id 4096800 ; Tue, 12 May 1998 23:22:06 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:26:58 -0400 From: Scot Piper To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: new bike Well, it feels like a new bike. Finally got my '89 into the dealer. The electrical checked out OK. Looks like it was just a bad battery. Whew, lucky for now. I had the carbs sync'd while it was in, and they made an adjustment to the idle/air/fuel mixture. The PC feels much better now and never misses a beat. I rode 75 miles tonight with a big smile on my face. I also switched back to the Honda tall shield. For those of you who still have the short shield, I don't know how you can stand it. The Honda tall is so quiet and comfortable that I'm amazed Honda even offered a short shield. If anyone is interested in taking my PC for a ride to test the tall shield, just let me know. You'll be amazed at the difference! (and I'll have a good excuse to ride and meet another PC800 owner) I'm 2 hours north of Detroit. Scot '89 PC800 --------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'scotp1965@mdn.net'" , PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: new bike Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:30:06 -0400 Scot, what shape is your original short shield in? And is it for sale? Roger > -----Original Message----- > From: Scot Piper [SMTP:scotp1965@mdn.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 11:27 PM > To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: new bike > > Well, it feels like a new bike. Finally got my '89 into the dealer. > The electrical checked out OK. Looks like it was just a bad battery. > Whew, lucky for now. I had the carbs sync'd while it was in, and they > made an adjustment to the idle/air/fuel mixture. The PC feels much > better now and never misses a beat. I rode 75 miles tonight with a > big > smile on my face. I also switched back to the Honda tall shield. > > For those of you who still have the short shield, I don't know how you > can stand it. The Honda tall is so quiet and comfortable that I'm > amazed > Honda even offered a short shield. If anyone is interested in taking > my > PC for a ride to test the tall shield, just let me know. You'll be > amazed at the difference! (and I'll have a good excuse to ride and > meet > another PC800 owner) I'm 2 hours north of Detroit. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m28.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id XRY25065; Tue, 12 May 1998 23:58:34 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:01:05 -0400 Subject: PC800: O-rings In The Air Box From: swift24@juno.com (John D Louk) I forgot who responded about the installation of the K&N HA 8089 air filter not finding "O" rings in the airbox halves. You're looking too small. These suckers are large and follow the channel circumference where the airbox halves meet. They're there and the K&N will NOT properly function if you don't remove them. Maybe they would be better called gaskets, though, since they remind me of the gaskets on a quick acting water tight door on a Naval vessel only there are two gaskets...one on each half of the airbox. John Louk Carmel, IN '90 PC "Ruby" _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by PM03SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27035) 13 May 1998 04:29:07 +0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:25:59 -0500 From: Mike & Cindy Ver Velde Subject: Re: PC800: Holy thought... To: "Greg Torok, The Opportunity Council" , PC800 Greg writes: I wear glasses, so riding with the visor up really >isn't a safety issue, so the ONLY problem is that the suction over the top of >the helmet makes the visor drop about 3/4 of the way every few minutes higher >speeds (annoying). I'll be investing in a Helmet with a stronger visor ratchet >and go from there (perhaps a Shoei RF-700 as they're on sale everywhere). >Suggestions anyone? > I have the shoei RF 700. I have glasses too, and once in a while I have the visor in the up position. It still drops every now and then at higher speeds, but only about 1/4th the way. Oh well... Mike V -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:30:14 EDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Fuel Consumption Disappointment Hi, Emile: In a message dated 98-05-12 19:41:43 EDT, you write: <> That thought crossed my mind when I read your original post, but I quickly suppressed it in the hope that your figures were true and we were about to find out something really neat to make ours do the same. Oh well, . . . . << Why doesn't everybody just use the metric system.........>> I agree! My understanding is that we soon will be here in Tennessee. The Feds are apparently blackmailing (errr, providing incentive to) the states to do it by threatening to withhold some funds if they don't make the switch by a deadline that isn't more than a few years away. << (an airliner once ran out of fuel because of a wrong conversion, right JT ?). >> I think I heard about something like that once, but Phil may be more up on the airliner lore. The only times that I've nearly run out of gas in an airplane was when I simply screwed up the wind calculations and was too proud to admit it in time to take a safer alternative. (I actually did run out once, but it was during a postflight run-up as I was taxiing to the parking ramp. I never shorted myself on fuel again!) JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:52:09 -0700 From: Phil Lewis To: JTSMCRIDER CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Fuel Consumption Disappointment JTSMCRIDER wrote: > Hi, Emile: > > In a message dated 98-05-12 19:41:43 EDT, you write: > > > > << (an airliner once ran out of fuel because of a wrong conversion, right JT > ?). >> > > I think I heard about something like that once, but Phil may be more up on the > airliner lore. Well................................ it makes for a great story, but no american air carrier, that I know of, has really run out of gas because of a fuel conversion. The closest thing that happened was the United Airliner that ran out of gas just before landing at Portland International in Portland, Oregon, I think over 10 years ago. They were going to have to make a landing with the landing gear retracted, because of a malfunction. The captain decided that he wanted to dump fuel to a minimum level so as to reduce any fire hazard. However, he miscalculated and the plane ran out of gas, short of the runway. Just pure pilot error, in my opinion. Always flying safely, Phil -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'pc800 list'" Subject: PC800: Shocks & Tires Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 08:09:06 -0400 I usually wait until I have 20K miles or more before I get Works Performance shocks. This time I did it at 1400 miles. A significant improvement in the handling. The rear suspension is much tighter, tracks much better in the turns. Now all I have left is to get rid of the K555's that resist turning. In two weeks they will be gone, replaced by K177's. If I wasn't leaving on vacation I might put the ML2 in the rear and the 120/70-17 Laser CompK in the front. Roger Prince -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ernie.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id GAA06905; Wed, 13 May 1998 06:48:11 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Price of GiVi stuff Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 06:50:16 -0700 Who says BMW stuff is expensive? What's $550 for a trunk? Chump change! How about $650 for the side bags? Crash bars (police model) are $1000 for the front, and $500 for the rear. Fortunately my bike came with the trunk (optional) and side bags (standard) and a tank bag (don't use it). I have opted not to get the crash bars. Touch up paint (enough to paint a model car) is $20. Engine guards (small pieces of plastic that attach to the cylinders) are $100. (Dealer threw these in when I bought the bike). I am embarrassed to tell you how much the plastic fairing pieces cost, but they start to make the crash bars look like a good investment. Dana is absolutely correct. If you want to feel good about the price of your accessories, go to the BMW (Bring More Wampum) shop first. When you go back to the Honda shop you will think you are at a garage sale! Todd Vierheller > -----Original Message----- > From: Dana L. Sawyer [SMTP:Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 17:57 > To: HondaPacificCoastOwners > Subject: PC800: Price of GiVi stuff > > Someone complained about the high price of GiVi stuff. > You need to walk into a BMW shop and price accessories. > You'll need some heart medication to prevent an all-out attack! > GiVi stuff is top quality and reasonably priced. > The fact that you cannot afford it doesn't mean that the price is too > high. > It just means that the price is too high for you... > > Dana > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ernie.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id HAA06926 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 07:00:05 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Fuel Consumption Disappointment Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 07:02:11 -0700 A Boeing 747 passenger jet once ran out of fuel because is was filled with liters instead of gallons in Canada. The plane just ran out of fuel and died in the air in the middle of nowhere. Readers Digest wrote it up as a "Drama in Real Life". Fortunately the pilot was a glider pilot in his spare time and he glided the 747 to an abandoned airstrip. However, to make his approach he had to slip the plane sideways (something that glider pilots routinely do but other pilots do not -- I forget the exact maneuver). To his horror he saw that a big barbecue was going on in the middle of the runway. He was silently gliding a 747 down upon dozens (hundreds?) of people without even a horn to warn them. (747's don't have horns!) Fortunately someone looked up and screamed, and people started running for their lives. It was a pretty exciting story. The part that I liked the best is the fact that it was his experience as a glider pilot saved everybody's butts -- the maneuver he used wasn't part of flying a powered airplane. Todd Vierheller '96 BMW R1100RTL, "Rain Dancer" Seattle, WA (Pacific North Wet) > -----Original Message----- > From: JTSMCRIDER [SMTP:JTSMCRIDER@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 21:30 > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: PC800: Fuel Consumption Disappointment > > Hi, Emile: > > In a message dated 98-05-12 19:41:43 EDT, you write: > > < converted > liters to Imp.Gallons instead of U.S. Gallons.>> > > That thought crossed my mind when I read your original post, but I > quickly > suppressed it in the hope that your figures were true and we were > about to > find out something really neat to make ours do the same. Oh well, . . > . . > > << Why doesn't everybody just use the metric system.........>> > > I agree! My understanding is that we soon will be here in Tennessee. > The > Feds are apparently blackmailing (errr, providing incentive to) the > states to > do it by threatening to withhold some funds if they don't make the > switch by a > deadline that isn't more than a few years away. > > << (an airliner once ran out of fuel because of a wrong conversion, > right JT > ?). >> > > I think I heard about something like that once, but Phil may be more > up on the > airliner lore. The only times that I've nearly run out of gas in an > airplane > was when I simply screwed up the wind calculations and was too proud > to admit > it in time to take a safer alternative. (I actually did run out once, > but it > was during a postflight run-up as I was taxiing to the parking ramp. I > never > shorted myself on fuel again!) > > JT > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 10:04:35 -0400 To: JTSMCRIDER , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Fuel Consumption Disappointment ><< (an airliner once ran out of fuel because of a wrong conversion, right JT >?). >> > There was a made for TV movie about that incident. I'm not sure how much of the story was true and how much was added drama for the story. In the story, the flight was from Toronto to Vancouver, which ended up landing in Winnipeg instead. They had seriously mixed up the calculations on fuel, and the flight ran out in mid air. They were able to safely land on an airstrip at an abanded military base. The parameters of that flight have since been entered into the AirCanada flight simulator as a standard test, and to date no one has survived the incident in the simulator. The pilot had 20+ years of experience flying gliders, which probably contibuted greatly to his success. Either way...I wouldn't want to be in a commercial airliner that has no fuel. I would think it would drop like a rock. But back to this metric thing..... Is the US re-considering changing to the Metric system? I know they had tried to do it at one time and gave up because there was too much resistance. I'd be surprised if it worked this time, but it would be a good idea in the long run, in the big picture, in the global sense, etc. Isn't the rest of the world on the metric system? Are there any other countries that still use the US system? just curious... fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:26:28 -0500 From: Steve Wilson To: "Prince, Roger" CC: "'Tom Ambrosio'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Givi box My dealer order my 460 with the brake light and it came with the light already drilled and wired and installed. -- Steve Wilson Ruston LA. Owner: Father & Son Lawn Care Week Days: John Deere 455 All Wheel Steer 22 H.P. Diesel, 60 Inch Deck Week Ends: 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800 46 Liter GIVI Bag, Rifle Shield, and too many other options to list. (My Wife might see!) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 10:17:30 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Doug Subject: PC800: Fast Idle Ok folks, it is question and answer time again.. On my 94 when riding along at any speed and have to throttle down, you can turn the throttle all the way off and the rpm's slooowwwly come down. If you have to make a quick stop as in the Experienced Riders Course, after you have stopped the engine rpm's are still up and will slooowwwlly come down. I was chastised more than once by instructor for not getting off throttle, when in fact it was all the down. Is this a natural occurence or do I have some sort of problem? Waiting for your experience and knowledge to show again ..... Thanks again, Doug Knight Rider -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:42:18 -0400 From: radrider To: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com CC: Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Price of GiVi stuff How about $960.00 for a color matched saddlebag! That's the price I was quoted when a motorist destroyed one of mine. How about $635.00 for routine service? I can't believe I've owned six of them. I seem to recall making an observation not to long ago concerning the cost of ownership between BMW and Honda. Those who responded did not agree with my observation. Nothing worse than having the feeling you didn't get your moneys worth. Stan 97 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:22:19 -0700 From: Johan Lai To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: PC Patches Hi All, Sorry to blast the list, but someone asked me about patches and I don't remember who. If you can drop me a line I have the info you wanted. Thanks. Cheers, Johan Lai Orange, CA '89 "Cassandra" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 08:55:51 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC800: Fuel Consumption Disappointment .com> At 07:02 5/13/98 -0700, you wrote: >A Boeing 747 passenger jet once ran out of fuel because is was filled >with liters instead of gallons in Canada. Wait a second. I thought this couldn't happen because the fuel was measured in weight, not volume. But then you would have to convert from lbs to kgs and .... Oh the heck with it! :-P Juan (happy to have a 4.2 gallon tank and not having to worry about gliding it home)Goula -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: David Prather To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'Doug'" Subject: RE: PC800: Fast Idle Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:08:23 -0800 Hmmm. I'm thinking either 1) slack in the throttle cable caused by binding. 2) An overly rich mixture at idle, or 3) a vacuum leak or some similar problem that affects spark advance. #3 is the most likely in an automobile, and I assume also on the PC. Check your vacuum lines to make sure they're unobstructed and air tight. Dave Prather '96 PC >---------- >From: Doug[SMTP:di9731@vci.net] >Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 8:17 AM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: PC800: Fast Idle > >Ok folks, it is question and answer time again.. >On my 94 when riding along at any speed and have to throttle down, you can >turn the throttle all the way off and the rpm's slooowwwly come down. If >you have to make a quick stop as in the Experienced Riders Course, after >you have stopped the engine rpm's are still up and will slooowwwlly come >down. I was chastised more than once by instructor for not getting off >throttle, when in fact it was all the down. Is this a natural occurence or >do I have some sort of problem? >Waiting for your experience and knowledge to show again ..... >Thanks again, >Doug >Knight Rider > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: David Prather To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com'" Subject: RE: PC800: Fuel Consumption Disappointment Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:13:37 -0800 Yep, except it was a 757... a 747 wouldn't have had enough runway to do it safely. Dave '96 PC >---------- >From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com[SMTP:todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com] >Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 7:02 AM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: RE: PC800: Fuel Consumption Disappointment > >A Boeing 747 passenger jet once ran out of fuel because is was filled >with liters instead of gallons in Canada. The plane just ran out of >fuel and died in the air in the middle of nowhere. Readers Digest >wrote it up as a "Drama in Real Life". Fortunately the pilot was a >glider pilot in his spare time and he glided the 747 to an abandoned >airstrip. However, to make his approach he had to slip the plane >sideways (something that glider pilots routinely do but other pilots do >not -- I forget the exact maneuver). To his horror he saw that a big >barbecue was going on in the middle of the runway. He was silently >gliding a 747 down upon dozens (hundreds?) of people without even a horn >to warn them. (747's don't have horns!) Fortunately someone looked >up and screamed, and people started running for their lives. It was a >pretty exciting story. The part that I liked the best is the fact that >it was his experience as a glider pilot saved everybody's butts -- the >maneuver he used wasn't part of flying a powered airplane. > >Todd Vierheller >'96 BMW R1100RTL, "Rain Dancer" >Seattle, WA (Pacific North Wet) > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: JTSMCRIDER [SMTP:JTSMCRIDER@aol.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 21:30 >> To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >> Subject: Re: PC800: Fuel Consumption Disappointment >> >> Hi, Emile: >> >> In a message dated 98-05-12 19:41:43 EDT, you write: >> >> <> converted >> liters to Imp.Gallons instead of U.S. Gallons.>> >> >> That thought crossed my mind when I read your original post, but I >> quickly >> suppressed it in the hope that your figures were true and we were >> about to >> find out something really neat to make ours do the same. Oh well, . . >> . . >> >> << Why doesn't everybody just use the metric system.........>> >> >> I agree! My understanding is that we soon will be here in Tennessee. >> The >> Feds are apparently blackmailing (errr, providing incentive to) the >> states to >> do it by threatening to withhold some funds if they don't make the >> switch by a >> deadline that isn't more than a few years away. >> >> << (an airliner once ran out of fuel because of a wrong conversion, >> right JT >> ?). >> >> >> I think I heard about something like that once, but Phil may be more >> up on the >> airliner lore. The only times that I've nearly run out of gas in an >> airplane >> was when I simply screwed up the wind calculations and was too proud >> to admit >> it in time to take a safer alternative. (I actually did run out once, >> but it >> was during a postflight run-up as I was taxiing to the parking ramp. I >> never >> shorted myself on fuel again!) >> >> JT >> -- >> Visit the PC800 web page at >> To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >> a >> message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >> To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:17:13 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC800: Fast Idle At 10:17 5/13/98 -0500, you wrote: >Is this a natural occurence or do I have some sort of problem? Doug, muy guess would be a kink or corrosion inside the throtle cable sleeves, maybe some fraying on the cable itself. Make sure the cable can slide freely with no binding. Also the carb slides could be sticking. This solution I have not tried myself, but people in the VX list swear by it: add a little Marvel Mystery Oil to your fuel. this provides enough lubrication to free up the carb slides. Good luck in your search and let us know the results. Juan Don't be afraid of death so much as an inadequate life. -Bertolt Brecht --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '91 Suzuki VX800 University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:11:49 -0700 From: Phil Lewis To: Francois Saint Laurent CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Fuel Consumption Disappointment Francois Saint Laurent wrote: > ><< (an airliner once ran out of fuel because of a wrong conversion, right JT > >?). >> > > > > There was a made for TV movie about that incident. I'm not sure how > much of the story was true and how much was added drama for the story. I really find it hard to believe that an airliner ran out of fuel because of a math error, but I guess anything is possible. However, this kinda' thing would never happen at Delta!! ;) Phil -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 10:27:39 -0800 From: "Roy Thomassen" To: Subject: Re[2]: PC800: Fuel Consumption Disappointment --simple boundary Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" There was an Air Canada 757 or 767 (The Gimli Glider) that ran out of fuel due to inoperative fuel gauges and incorrect calculation of the fuel pumped on board. As with most incidents, there was a whole chain of events that led up to it. The pilot happened to be an avid glider pilot. He also was familair with the area they were flying over and knew about a closed military airfield that was the only place in the area that he could safely put down. There were drag races being run on the "closed" runway when the plane landed on it. The pilot's experience in flying gliders turned out to be invaluable. They were high and fast and wouldn't have made the runway if he hadn't put the plane into a forward slip to lose a bunch of altitude in a hurry. It must have looked pretty awesome from the runway as the silent aircraft was coming in. There is a book called "The Gimli Glider" that was written about this incident that is a pretty good read. There were no injuries and the aircraft was successfully flown out after minor repairs and of course getting fueled up. Blue Skies, Roy T. ____________________Reply Separator____________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Fuel Consumption Disappointment Author: Date: 5/12/98 10:52 PM JTSMCRIDER wrote: > Hi, Emile: > > In a message dated 98-05-12 19:41:43 EDT, you write: > > > > << (an airliner once ran out of fuel because of a wrong conversion, right JT > ?). >> > > I think I heard about something like that once, but Phil may be more up on the > airliner lore. Well................................ it makes for a great story, but no american air carrier, that I know of, has really run out of gas because of a fuel conversion. The closest thing that happened was the United Airliner that ran out of gas just before landing at Portland International in Portland, Oregon, I think over 10 years ago. They were going to have to make a landing with the landing gear retracted, because of a malfunction. The captain decided that he wanted to dump fuel to a minimum level so as to reduce any fire hazard. However, he miscalculated and the plane ran out of gas, short of the runway. Just pure pilot error, in my opinion. Always flying safely, Phil -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. --simple boundary ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:52:09 -0700 From: Phil Lewis To: JTSMCRIDER CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Fuel Consumption Disappointment --simple boundary-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:25:02 -0800 To: "Dana L. Sawyer" From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC800: Fuel Additives Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 14:27 5/13/98 -0400, you wrote: >I've been adding Marvel Mystery oil to my gas for years now. > >No wonder my bike runs so good at 75,000 miles (turned that >yesterday coming back from the Blue Ridge Parkway!) Dana, how much do you add per tank? Do you add it _every_ tank? I have 5 gallons of 50:1 premix oil left over from our last sowmobile trip. I was wondering if I dilute it to 100:1 would it have similar effect and lubricate the fuel side of the top end as well as the carb slides. Or should I not even try it? A PC800 two-stroke.. hmmmmm... too bad I wouldn get the extra power to go with the smoke :-) Suggestions are welcome. Juan Don't be afraid of death so much as an inadequate life. -Bertolt Brecht --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '91 Suzuki VX800 University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:27:31 -0400 To: pilewis1@concentric.net From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Fuel Consumption Disappointment Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 11:11 AM -0700 5/13/98, Phil Lewis wrote: >I really find it hard to believe that an airliner ran out of fuel because of a >math error, but I guess anything is possible. However, this kinda' thing >would >never happen at Delta!! ;) > >Phil Hi Phil Wait till the US goes metric! I hear that Delta is going to start using metric on January 1, 2000 ! Sort of a 'two disasters at once scenario'. Also, the big mistake was that they used three different meaurements for fuel. The ground crew had not yet gone metric, but the plane was. The fuel supplier was metric, but in quantity, not in volume. (Litres vs. cubic litres) but seriously.....think about it. There seems to be only one occurence of this error in history. Flying is still a very safe method of travel. And these calculations are performed regularly. Perhaps one of the pilots on board can elaborate on this, but when a US commercial airliner refuels in Canada or Europe, is the fuel measured by weight or volume? If it's weight, is it in pounds or kilograms? I've just started ground school recently to obtain my pilots license, and I am genuinely interested. If someone has the answer and wants to reply direct, please do. fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:14:22 -0400 From: "Richard A. Schuler" To: Doug CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Fast Idle Doug, Your problem of the idle speed not dropping down as soon as you chop the throttle is almost certainly because the carbs are out of sync. Get your carburetors synchronized and your acceleration will be much better as well as proper throttle response on deceleration. The job is an easy one if you have the manual and the vacuum gauges or "carb sticks". Otherwise let your mechanic do the job. It should not cost much. Radar Doug wrote: > Ok folks, it is question and answer time again.. > On my 94 when riding along at any speed and have to throttle down, you can > turn the throttle all the way off and the rpm's slooowwwly come down. If > you have to make a quick stop as in the Experienced Riders Course, after > you have stopped the engine rpm's are still up and will slooowwwlly come > down. I was chastised more than once by instructor for not getting off > throttle, when in fact it was all the down. Is this a natural occurence or > do I have some sort of problem? > Waiting for your experience and knowledge to show again ..... > Thanks again, > Doug > Knight Rider > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com via smtpd (for Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) with SMTP; 13 May 1998 20:23:26 UT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:15:52 -0500 Subject: Re: PC800: Cross-Country Trip? Boxers not briefs, that's my suggestion for long traveling. The band on the brief's makes the hinder mighty sore at the end of the day. Roger -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BobDuWah Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:17:38 EDT To: swift24@juno.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: O-rings In The Air Box Hello, I just bought a 94PC last week and now have a reason to join this list. Read the message about a K&N air filter for the PC and didn't realize they make one. Is it a custom fit or is it modified from a generic filter? Bob Ronecker St Louis, Missouri 94PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bednarski, Bruce R (CAP, RFS)" To: "'Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Cross-Country Trip? Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:37:05 -0400 Might I suggest a more sensible diet and some exercise to help on long trips! If anyone has to worry about the fit of their underwear while riding than my guess is they have more pressing needs...........LIKE ENDURANCE! Sorry if I missed part of the joke......I kind of jumped in right here! -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com [SMTP:Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 4:16 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Cross-Country Trip? Boxers not briefs, that's my suggestion for long traveling. The band on the brief's makes the hinder mighty sore at the end of the day. Roger -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: David Prather To: "'Juan A. Goula'" Cc: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: PC800: Fuel Additives Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:52:33 -0800 I wouldn't put any 2-stroke oil in my fuel Juan! Marvel Mystery Oil contains solvents, whereas 2-stroke oil doesn't. Its the solvents that may reduce varnish deposits in carburators, etc. You'd probably do more harm than good with the 2-stroke oil. Dave '96 PC >---------- >From: Juan A. Goula[SMTP:jgoula@ims.uaf.edu] >Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 12:25 PM >To: Dana L. Sawyer >Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: PC800: Fuel Additives > >At 14:27 5/13/98 -0400, you wrote: > >>I've been adding Marvel Mystery oil to my gas for years now. >> >>No wonder my bike runs so good at 75,000 miles (turned that >>yesterday coming back from the Blue Ridge Parkway!) > >Dana, how much do you add per tank? Do you add it _every_ tank? > >I have 5 gallons of 50:1 premix oil left over from our last sowmobile trip. > I was wondering if I dilute it to 100:1 would it have similar effect and >lubricate the fuel side of the top end as well as the carb slides. Or >should I not even try it? >A PC800 two-stroke.. hmmmmm... too bad I wouldn get the extra power to go >with the smoke :-) >Suggestions are welcome. > >Juan > >Don't be afraid of death so much as an inadequate life. > -Bertolt Brecht >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 >School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '91 Suzuki VX800 >University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat >(907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:48:42 -0400 To: Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Cross-Country Trip? At 3:15 PM -0500 5/13/98, Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com wrote: >Boxers not briefs, that's my suggestion for long traveling. The band on the >brief's makes the hinder mighty sore at the end of the day. > >Roger I agree.....it makes quite a difference Another thing I did for my trip to the Honda Homecoming last year was buy a pair of jean overalls. They are quite comfortable, especially since they have no waistband to speak of. Also, the air doesn't get in at the back of your pants, and the front center pocket is quite handy for items such as a cell phone or walkman. You just have to get used to walking around at rallies looking like an extra from the set of "Dukes of Hazzard". fsl ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Francois Saint Laurent Borg Consulting Ottawa, Canada mailto:fsl@borgconsulting.com "Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Thomas Brown" To: Subject: PC800: Regulator testing Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 14:00:04 -0700 Importance: Normal About a year ago, Bryce sent a message to the list detailing the test procedure for the 89-90 regulator and hinted that Honda had redesigned the unit in such a way that the test procedure in the service manual does not agree with the new part. I have an 89-96 service manual that has the same test procedure as his 89-90 procedure. My question, Is there an updated test procedure for the redesigned reg/rect and if so, does anybody know what that procedure is. I have spoken with Honda Cust Service (always an enjoyable ordeal) and they were not aware of any service bulletins or updates to the service manual. They said the only reason for the part number change was a change in vendor. Any assistance appreciated tom ------------------------------------- Tom Brown ------------------------------------- Island Data Corp. 16476 Bernardo Center Drive Suite 117 San Diego, CA 92128 Ph. (619) 487-9335 Fx. (619) 487-9315 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by smtp.uscom.com with SMTP; 13 May 1998 14:04:21 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 17:03:07 -0400 From: Carl Luft To: "PC800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: Fuel Consumption Disappointment Phil Lewis wrote: > > > I really find it hard to believe that an airliner ran out of fuel because of a > math error, but I guess anything is possible. However, this kinda' thing would > never happen at Delta!! ;) > > Phil > > - My pilot frends tell me that Delta only hires ex- millitary pilots, so, when you fly Delta, Your on a mission. Carl PS: only 130 miles to 'Throttle up" on the PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:07:32 -0500 ; Wed, 13 May 98 16:07:07 CDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mark Gilb" To: Subject: PC800: Welcome to a New Member Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:06:58 -0500 Hi Bob Welcome to the list. Sure is good to see another person from St. Louis. Where are you at in St. Louis ? Mark Gilb 95 PC800 Arnold, Mo. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:24:53 -0500 To: pilewis1@concentric.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Tom Ambrosio Subject: Re: PC800: Fuel Consumption Disappointment >I really find it hard to believe that an airliner ran out of fuel because of a >math error, but I guess anything is possible. However, this kinda' thing would >never happen at Delta!! ;) Yeah, Delta makes sure pilots have enough fuel to get to the right city...wrong state. Remember that one Phil? Sorry, couldn't resist. ;-> Tom Ambrosio Evansville, IN '95 PC800 http://www.evansville.net/~tambrosi -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:20:39 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Tom Ambrosio Subject: PC800: Re: Price of Givi stuff >How about $960.00 for a color matched saddlebag! That's the price I was >quoted when a motorist destroyed one of mine. You people remind me of US Military contractors. I guess a $500 bolt is a bargain because a coffee pot sells for $7000. That being said, I and gonna buy the Givi box and stay way, WAY away from a BMW dealer. Tom Ambrosio Evansville, IN '95 PC800 http://www.evansville.net/~tambrosi -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 17:45:26 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: PC800: Clearview Shield Cc: clearview@bewellnet.com Hi folks. I just got off the phone with Craig, at Clearview Shields, and I thought I would pass on the information I received regarding the upcoming PC800 windshield replacement. I have no association with Clearview, and I realize that its not quite proper 'netiquette' to advertise in a listserver, but I get the impression that there is alot of interest in this product, and so I thought it would be acceptable to pass on this information . Clearview Shields are at the final stages of mold fabrication, and are planning to start production in the very early part of June. The price, as of now, is $130 for a clear screen. They haven't yet decided on offering a tinted version, since their tint blocks about 50% of the light, and people tend to look through the Clearview screen instead of over it if they are looking for a truly quite pocket of air. The design of the Clearview has an increased angle of deflection compared to the stock screen, of about 15 degrees. Also, the top of the screen has a bit of an up-turn to it, similar to the Clearview product for the ST1100. They intend to offer this screen in sizes up to about 4 inches greater than a stock screen on a 1994 PC800. (Which I believe is the same screen found on 90-97 models, but not the 89). In addition to the added height, the Clearview is also about 2 inches wider on each side than the stock shield. I asked about vent holes, for backpressure relief. As of yet they haven't tested this enough to put into production but they may offer it at a later date. As I mentionned earlier, the Clearview will be available in various heights. Since I didn't have a picture of one in front of me, it was a bit tricky understanding Craig when he described where the difference will be in the length of the shields, but here is how I understood it. The added height of this screen will be in the top part of the screen, after it has turned that little 'lip', like on an ST1100. Craig also mentionned that Ron Pemble of Sport Touring Accessories (http://www.dnet.net/~pemble/) would be at Americade and have a new Clearview Windscreen for the PC800 with him. I know I'm going to go check it out as soon as I get there! A friend of mine has a Clearview shield on his ST1100, and it is really nice. I'm anxious to see the PC800 version. Clearview has an email address if you need to reach them. It is clearview@bewellnet.com bye for now.... fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 14:04:56 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC800: Clearview Shield At 17:45 5/13/98 -0400, you wrote: >I asked about vent holes, for backpressure relief. As of yet they haven't >tested this enough to put into production but they may offer it at a later >date. Froncois, you seem to be in close contact with the Clearview folks, so I'll ask you: Have they, like Rifle, made provisions to retain the stock pressure relief vent on the nose of the PC? If they haven't, then back pressure will probably be a big problem with their shield. Just curious. Last week I finally cut down my Rifle shield from the bottom-up to get rid of all the stress cracks I had on the mounting holes. I ended up with a shield 1.5" shorter than the short Rifle shield, and though I get no buffeting I do get a lot of noise, even with the 12" of Saeng edging in place. I might try the Clearview next. Thanks! Juan Don't be afraid of death so much as an inadequate life. -Bertolt Brecht --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '91 Suzuki VX800 University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 17:32:25 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Doug Subject: PC800: Fast Idle Today I removed the plastic, air filter box etc to see the carbs. When I twist the throttle and release, it springs back to idle position with ease. I cleaned everything and lubricated w/silicone anyway as all was exposed. When the throttle returns normally, with spring, or manually, to idle position the rpm's stay up and sloooowwwllly return to 1100 but only when traveling, everything is as it should be just sitting and running engine. It has been suggested the carbs need to be synchronized. I have no reason to doubt this, but obviously I am no mechanic and before I spend the money on having it done or buying the gauges and doing it myself, I would like other opinions. So opinion away, I am listening. Doug -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Donald R. Hamilton" To: "pc800 list" Subject: Re: PC800: Cross-Country Trip? Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:37:31 -0400 i hesitate to mention this, cause i know i'll be able to hear the snickers from here, but... my experience is that it's the leg bands on briefs that get really irritating on long rides, as they dig into my bottom. i tried boxers but don't much care for all the extra fabric bunching up. i tried biking shorts but found they have the same seam and are just as irritating. my solution...i wear thong underwear on really long rides. the leg bands are up high enough that i'm not sitting on them...thus no irritation. they're cheap, they don't take much room to pack, and if you wash them out in the motel sink they're dry by morning. okay...snicker all you want! don... --------- > From: Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: PC800: Cross-Country Trip? > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 4:15 PM > > Boxers not briefs, that's my suggestion for long traveling. The band on the > brief's makes the hinder mighty sore at the end of the day. > > Roger -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:45:19 -0400 To: "Juan A. Goula" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Clearview Shield At 2:04 PM -0800 5/13/98, Juan A. Goula wrote: >At 17:45 5/13/98 -0400, you wrote: >>I asked about vent holes, for backpressure relief. As of yet they haven't >>tested this enough to put into production but they may offer it at a later >>date. > >Froncois, you seem to be in close contact with the Clearview folks, so I'll >ask you: > >Have they, like Rifle, made provisions to retain the stock pressure relief >vent on the nose of the PC? If they haven't, then back pressure will >probably be a big problem with their shield. Just curious. Good question Juan. I seem to remember that Craig mentionned the dimension of the shield as being measured from that vent. I would assume that means that it is still there, but I really don't know. fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:48:03 -0400 To: "Donald R. Hamilton" , "pc800 list" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Cross-Country Trip? At 6:37 PM -0400 5/13/98, Donald R. Hamilton wrote: >i hesitate to mention this, cause i know i'll be able to hear the snickers >from here, but... > ...i wear thong underwear on really long rides. Oh baby! Add some nice overalls and your set. Won't you be the hit of the campground! fsl :-) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 20:03:39 +0000 From: Bud Miedema To: Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com CC: PC 800 Mail List Subject: Re: PC800: Cross-Country Trip? Having done a lot of long distance touring I agree with the suggestion to wear boxers instead of briefs. Used to wear boxers and they seemed OK until one weekend when I did two 500+ mile days in 95 degree heat and high humidity. I thought I had injured myself permanently and would never sit down again. The ribs on the briefs did me in. Ever since then I've worn boxers when I tour and haven't had a problem. Bud '96 PC 800/Hannigan sidecar rig ("Lil Red Wagon") '98 GL1500SE black (Raven) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Tom and Anita Humprey" To: , Cc: "'PC 800 Mail List'" Subject: RE: PC800: Cross-Country Trip? Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:31:10 -0700 Importance: Normal Long trips? Yes, boxers are much better than briefs. And go one better - silk boxers! Your skin slides - your trousers slide, and the silk wicks away moisture. Plus, they can be hand washed in the shower and drip dried overnight and ready and clean to wear the next day. Two or three pairs of silk boxer shorts are perfect for long distance trips, plus, doggoneit, they make you feel 'special', and that cannot be bad! Try wearing polypropolene sox under wool sox, too. They wash and dry just like the silk, prevent blisters and wick moisture out to the wool sox. The wool still insulates well when wet, buy your feet stay dry. Try it, you'll like it. Tom, Black '94 with Dilbert on back...... -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'budman5@worldnet.att.net'" , Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com Cc: PC 800 Mail List Subject: RE: PC800: Cross-Country Trip? Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 21:39:52 -0400 I wear nylon shorts from K-Mart. They fit like bike shorts but just have a single seam up/down the center. With all the talk about gel seats maybe silicone implants might help?:-) They work in other applications. Roger > -----Original Message----- > From: Bud Miedema [SMTP:budman5@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 4:04 PM > To: Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com > Cc: PC 800 Mail List > Subject: Re: PC800: Cross-Country Trip? > > Having done a lot of long distance touring I agree with the suggestion > to wear > boxers instead of briefs. Used to wear boxers and they seemed OK > until one > weekend when I did two 500+ mile days in 95 degree heat and high > humidity. I > thought I had injured myself permanently and would never sit down > again. The > ribs on the briefs did me in. Ever since then I've worn boxers when I > tour > and haven't had a problem. > > Bud > '96 PC 800/Hannigan sidecar rig ("Lil Red Wagon") > '98 GL1500SE black (Raven) > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu