Sun, 1 Mar 1998 21:28:30 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mike Whited" To: "Michael S. Brown" , "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: K&N Filter Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 16:23:47 -0500 Please post any additional information you find on the shocks. I'm planning a ride to Newfoundland this summer and I need shocks. I was planning to call Works Performance but like to know all my options. Thanks Mike Whited ' 94 PC "Blackie" ---------- > From: Michael S. Brown > To: PC800 > Subject: PC800: K&N Filter > Date: Saturday, February 28, 1998 1:55 PM > > Hey- > > K & N does have a filter for the PC800. The dealer just got one in for me. > > K&N part number - HA-8089. > > Cost from this dealer, $42.00. > > > Also - Koni does make shocks for the PC. I am currently getting pricing > and literature for this product. part number - 7610-1422. They are > supposed to be 4 or 5 way adjustable. The individual at superbrace is > still working, thinking, dreaming on the fork brace for the PC. He is > trying to come up with a design that will not require any modifications to > the 89 - 96 front fender. He is a very interesting individual. Likes the > challenge of creating a product like the one for the PC. Will let the list > know once I have a firm answer yes or no. > > Michael '90 PC800 "ESCAPN" > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ChuckQdini Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 17:33:45 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: PC 800: JC Whitney Catalog Hello the list: While reading the archives I noticed a large interest in obtaining the JC Whitney catalog. A card in my most recent catalog says to call 1-312-431-6102 to order catalogs. They have a general, motorcycle, Volkswagen, RV, pickup and Jeep catalogs. They list their website as www.jcwhitneyusa.com Some items that might be of interest to the list from the most recent catalog #611C: page S-2 Helmet to Helmet two way intercom with voice activated mike $29.95 page 55 Mini auxiliary Strobe Light (third brake light?) $14.95 page 46 Backlighted Voltmeter $10.95 page 52 130db horn (high or low tone) $ 9.95 page 61 2" stick-on Convex Spot Mirror $ .99 page 154 Automatic Battery Maintainer $ 9.99 page 55 Turn Signal Flasher that plays "Love Me Tender" I can't resist! $ 8.99 Legal disclaimer: I have no interest or finacial gain.....yadda...yadda....yadda Since I can't ride while deployed here, I might as well order goodies! Enjoy the ride! Chuck Chiodini U.S. Army deployed in Latin America 89 PC "Scooter" (still in my living room, I hope) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: PC800: Experienced Rider Course Date: Sun, 1 Mar 98 22:01:54 -0600 From: "Paul B. Atkins" To: "pc 800 list" Hello! I just signed myself up for the experienced rider course to take place in early May. I am excited about it, since I like to do anything that keeps me safer. It is a classroom session on Friday night and most of Saturday riding... What can I expect and what did you learn, those of you that have taken it? thanks in advance, Paul -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 06:50:06 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Experienced Rider Course Hi, Paul: I believe you'll really enjoy the ERC. The classroom sessions concentrate on three major topics: The importance of active, focused perception when riding; a well-organized, efficient riding strategy to manage space and time; and the use of the principles of traction management. On the range, you will practice the techniques for maximum braking in a straight line and in a curve, proper cornering techniques, and swerving to avoid obstacles. It's a day well spent. I take it every year as a skills "tune up" (I completed this year's session last month). Enjoy. JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m19.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id R`O04605; Mon, 02 Mar 1998 17:32:39 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: rlarnold@juno.com, DAV720@juno.com, MBland8992@AOL.COM, AlPalBabe@AOL.COM, NB16@AOL.COM, LITLEBREN@AOL.COM, vhartley@mail.orion.org, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, BillNoteek@AOL.COM, BUSTERGENE@AOL.COM, luttrell@yks0.attnet.or.jp, mckimmey@ix.netcom.com, bosn3@earthlink.net, BikeWm@AOL.COM, gcsd211@juno.com, RStaeger@AOL.COM, wildbill@pgh.net, Abikerbard@AOL.COM, jwilson@tri-lakes.net, Kevin.Wolfe@MCI2000.COM Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:16:51 -0600 Subject: PC800: CircleJoke: Dr. Seuss' Lesser-known Books From: comaj@juno.com (Jim M SMITH) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: CircleJoke Subject: Dr. Seuss' Lesser-known Books Dr. Seuss' Lesser-known Books 1. The Cat in the Blender 2. Herbert the Pervert Likes Sherbert 3. Fox in Detox 4. Who Shat in the Hat? 5. Horton Feels a Ho 6. The Lemon Fresh Lorax 7. How the Grinch Stole Columbus Day 8. Your Colon Can Moo Can You? 9. Zippy the Rabid Gerbil 10. One Bitch, Two Bitch, Dead Bitch, Blue Bitch 11. Marvin K. Mooney, Get the Fuck Out! 12. Are You My Proctologist? 13. Yentl the Lentil 14. My Pocket Rocket Needs A Socket 15. Aunts in My Pants 16. Oh, the Places You'll Scratch and Sniff! 17. Horton Fakes an Orgasm 18. The Grinch's Ten Inches ----------------------- Circle Joke Mail List ------------------------------ _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/971030) via SMTP id SAA04111 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 18:38:20 -0500 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: PC800: More on windshield heights Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 18:20:37 -0500 Some of you may recall that I mentioned in a post a while back I was evaluating a custom (extended) height Rifle windshield. I'm tall and I sit tall (6'3" with 33" inseam) and I look 2 or 3 inches over the top of a normal maximum standard, 24" (that's 29" when you add in the 5" base) Rifle screen. At speeds below 65 or so, the wind noise was quite acceptable with the 24" screen. At higher speeds, the noise (really more like buffeting) wasn't deafening but was enough to make it difficult to understand CB reception on my helmet speaker unless I turned the volume up to hearing damage levels. I thought I might like an even taller windshield and so I ordered a custom made 26" Rifle replacement. This screen was definitely tall enough to eliminate virtually all wind noise. That part I like. Unfortunately, after riding nearly a thousand miles with it, I just can't get used to looking through it. I guess I'm just an over-the-top kind of guy. I reinstalled the 24" screen and rode about 300 miles with it Saturday... MUCH better. I'm going to leave the 24" on. I did order a short (18") piece of SAENG edging today to put across the top for extended hi-speed touring but will probably ride without it most of the time. If anyone needs a REALLY tall Rifle screen, I'll sell this one. It is essentially brand new and I even have the original Rifle packing materials. A standard replacement Rifle shield is $70. Add $15 for the custom height and $15 for shipping and I have $100 in it. It's yours for $60 + shipping. Jim Randall '95 Pacific Coast HSTA 7671 AMA 630577 jrandall@tricon.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RJ1Fox Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 18:55:36 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: MSF Experienced Rider Course For anyone interested in learning more about the Experienced Rider Course sanctioned by the Motorcycle Safety Foundation, or where the course will be held in your area, key up the following.... http://www.tiac.net/users/emax/MSF/aboutMSF.html Enjoy Rich -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 23:53:32 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: Re-Painting Hi, Juan: << Now JT, are you certain that it really wasn't a J-D with Kwak bodywork instead? Maybe it was the world's fastest lawnmower ;-) >> Could be, Juan, but it sounded more like a full-race garden tractor. JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: nsimmons@manu.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:12:48 +0000 Subject: PC800: Exhausts, Gas Tanks and Tyres Hi I am looking at having to replace my exhaust. Because of Honda's strange import policy (no official PC800s in the UK) and the total lack of pattern ones, the price is likely to be astronomic. As a result it is likely to almost the same price as having one fabricated in stainless steel. Does anyone have drawings of the various components so that I can get a quote. Alternatively, do stainless ones exist in the States ? I have heard of someone fabricating an additional alloy gas tank to fit under the rear compartment to hold a couple of gallons - something we could all use - although it was filled seperately, a small, switched, electric fuel pump is used to push the gas up to the main tank when needed. Any one know anything of this ? On the subject of tyres, I have just fitted a new ML2 to the front - I know it is new rather than one that has been sitting around in stock because European legislation has just stopped dealers selling tyres without an 'E' mark and production has only just started on the ML2 for the PC. It may be my imagination - I had 8,000 plus miles on the old - but it seems to me (running at f36/r44) much more secure feeling in both the wet and dry. Has Metzler changed the compound? Neville -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JBLAV Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:15:57 EST To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: Rifle I just ordered my new 27" tinted windshield from Rifle. FYI They provided me with a 10% discount because I mentioned this web group. However UPS charged me an oversized package charge of $15.00 to ship it. The Grand Total was $195.10 I'll provide an update after the installation Jim Key Largo, FL 90 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Spain, Harrison" To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: PC800: Keeping the radiator filled.... Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:15:02 -0800 Anyone had their radiator coolant get a tad low? Every time I've looked at the reservoir, it had fluid in it so I figured the radiator was fine. I can't get my actual radiator cap off. I twisted hard and was afraid I would damage the neck so I just left it alone. I even tried channel locks... :-) Recently, I noticed that the temperature gauge went to mid-range a bit too fast. The cooling fan also seemed to kick in at stop lights. I checked the reservoir and it was empty. I put in some water (I know I should use distilled water...) and everything is now fine. The temperature gauge stays low during cooler weather. I just thought I'd open up the conversation. Should I be able to remove the actual radiator cap? Do you have to remove that phillips screw first? Is anyone else adding coolant to their system? Harrison Spain * Harrison Spain * Unigraphics Solutions GTAC - Systems Support Manager * Voice: 714-952-6114 * Fax: 714-952-5371 * Internet E-Mail: spain@ugsolutions.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'Spain, Harrison'" , "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: RE: PC800: Keeping the radiator filled.... Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:32:00 -0500 Yes, I'm adding coolant occasionally but that's because my water pump seeps when the bike is cold. I'll get that fixed soon under warranty. I also plan to get the sticking cam chain tensioner fixed at the same time. 1995 PC, 34000 miles. Yes, you have to remove the Phillips screw "lock" to get the cap off. Roger > -----Original Message----- > > Anyone had their radiator coolant get a tad low? Every time I've > looked > at the reservoir, it had > fluid in it so I figured the radiator was fine. > > I can't get my actual radiator cap off. I twisted hard and was afraid > I > would damage the > neck so I just left it alone. I even tried channel locks... :-) > > Recently, I noticed that the temperature gauge went to mid-range a bit > too fast. The cooling fan > also seemed to kick in at stop lights. > > I checked the reservoir and it was empty. I put in some water (I know > I > should use distilled water...) > and everything is now fine. The temperature gauge stays low during > cooler weather. > > I just thought I'd open up the conversation. Should I be able to > remove > the actual radiator cap? > Do you have to remove that phillips screw first? Is anyone else > adding > coolant to their system? > > > Harrison Spain > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 08:39:34 -0900 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC800: Keeping the radiator filled.... At 09:15 3/4/98 -0800, you wrote: >Anyone had their radiator coolant get a tad low? Every time I've looked >I can't get my actual radiator cap off. I twisted hard and was afraid I >would damage the neck so I just left it alone. I even tried channel locks... :-) Harrison, the same thing hapened to me. Big Vise-Grips worked after being unable to remove the lock screw (quick flashback to early '80s motorcycles with screheads made from putty). The screw turned out to be softer than the neck, but it still put a scratch on the outside. Once I had the cap in hand I was able to remove the %^%$# screw and replace it with a better quality item. >Recently, I noticed that the temperature gauge went to mid-range a bit >too fast. The cooling fan also seemed to kick in at stop lights. >I checked the reservoir and it was empty. I put in some water (I know I should use >distilled water...) and everything is now fine. The temperature gauge stays low >during cooler weather. Sounds like it is time to flush and re-fill the cooling system, especially if you just added water. Easy -but messy- job. To drain you remove the lower radiator hose. To drain the reservoir you can remove one bolt and pivot it down. Flush with water (run the engine a bit) and repeat. Add the safe (no silicates) coolant of your choice at a 50/50 ratio. Honda's is already pre-mixed. Good luck. Juan Inside every small problem is a big one trying to get government funding. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '91 Suzuki VX800 University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 08:41:59 -0900 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC800: Tensioner At 12:32 3/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >... I'll get that fixed soon under warranty. I also plan to get the sticking cam chain >tensioner fixed at the same time. Roger, how did you determine the cam-chain tensioner was sticking? Just curious. Juan Inside every small problem is a big one trying to get government funding. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '91 Suzuki VX800 University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 10:32:45 -0900 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC800: engine top surgery At 14:03 3/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >My symptoms are the same as Poh's. It is most noticeable after a 15-20 >miles run on the interstate at 75-80mph. Goes away in a few minutes >after slowing or stopping. Aha! The dreaded "sewing machine" syndrome. I remember now. Interesting that both your bike and Poh's were within 3k miles of each other and exhibited the same problem. Was his a '95 as well? I wonder if this will develop the same way the stator did in the '89s? Points to ponder... Juan Inside every small problem is a big one trying to get government funding. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '91 Suzuki VX800 University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: engine top surgery Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:41:14 -0500 Yes, I noticed they are both '95s. I have it written down at home but it was around the 30K mark that I first heard it. My warranty runs out in July. Roger > -----Original Message----- > From: Juan A. Goula [SMTP:jgoula@ims.uaf.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 1998 2:33 PM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: engine top surgery > > At 14:03 3/4/98 -0500, you wrote: > >My symptoms are the same as Poh's. It is most noticeable after a > 15-20 > >miles run on the interstate at 75-80mph. Goes away in a few minutes > >after slowing or stopping. > > > Aha! The dreaded "sewing machine" syndrome. I remember now. > Interesting that both your bike and Poh's were within 3k miles of each > other and exhibited the same problem. Was his a '95 as well? I > wonder if > this will develop the same way the stator did in the '89s? Points to > ponder... > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 10:57:39 -0900 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC800: engine top surgery At 14:41 3/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >Yes, I noticed they are both '95s. I have it written down at home but >it was around the 30K mark that I first heard it. My warranty runs out >in July. > Roger, Just in time, similar to what happened to me with the shock mount/bushings. Is there any way to find out if there are any service bulletins on the PC? Anyone out there already done so? Juan Inside every small problem is a big one trying to get government funding. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '91 Suzuki VX800 University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Mar 98 12:00:10 PST From: "Wanda Bailie" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: PC800: engine top surgery Tell me more about these sewing machine symptoms. I have 38,000+ miles on my '95 and haven't heard anything abnormal yet. My '92 Verago sounded like a sewing machine for all 42,000 miles I put on it, before trading it for the PC, so I might be overlooking some sound as normal. Wanda Bailie '95 PC800 "Black Beauty" ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: RE: PC800: engine top surgery Author: "Prince, Roger" at INTERNET-KENTROX Date: 3/4/98 11:42 AM Yes, I noticed they are both '95s. I have it written down at home but it was around the 30K mark that I first heard it. My warranty runs out in July. Roger > -----Original Message----- > From: Juan A. Goula [SMTP:jgoula@ims.uaf.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 1998 2:33 PM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: engine top surgery > > At 14:03 3/4/98 -0500, you wrote: > >My symptoms are the same as Poh's. It is most noticeable after a > 15-20 > >miles run on the interstate at 75-80mph. Goes away in a few minutes > >after slowing or stopping. > > > Aha! The dreaded "sewing machine" syndrome. I remember now. > Interesting that both your bike and Poh's were within 3k miles of each > other and exhibited the same problem. Was his a '95 as well? I > wonder if > this will develop the same way the stator did in the '89s? Points to > ponder... > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 15:08:47 -0500 From: Jason To: "Juan A. Goula" CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: engine top surgery Great. Looks like a scooter to some people, others tell me that the dash looks like a Honda Accord, others have told me they thought it was a BMW, now I can look forward to people also thinking it's a sewing machine?! :) -Jason Grant 94 PC that sounds like a V-twin. Juan A. Goula wrote: > Aha! The dreaded "sewing machine" syndrome. I remember now. > Interesting that both your bike and Poh's were within 3k miles of each > > other and exhibited the same problem. Was his a '95 as well? I > wonder if > this will develop the same way the stator did in the '89s? Points to > ponder... > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 11:20:23 -0900 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC800: The PC as a household appliance At 15:08 3/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >Great. Looks like a scooter to some people, others tell me that the >dash looks like a Honda Accord, others have told me they thought it was >a BMW, now I can look forward to people also thinking it's a sewing >machine?! Jason, you will only have to worry about that if it has a sticky cam-chain tensioner. Otherwise you can just tell them it is more like a 50 HP vacuum cleaner :-) (This is actually a pretty funny story, one that arose while discussing the reason why males don't want to wear loose shorts and boxer underpants while riding an un-faired bike. You guys with dirty minds figure out the rest :-) Juan Inside every small problem is a big one trying to get government funding. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '91 Suzuki VX800 University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 12:35:08 +0000 From: hwong29 To: "Juan A. Goula" CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: The PC as a household appliance Juan A. Goula wrote: > > At 15:08 3/4/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Great. Looks like a scooter to some people, others tell me that the > >dash looks like a Honda Accord, others have told me they thought it was > >a BMW, now I can look forward to people also thinking it's a sewing > >machine?! > > Jason, you will only have to worry about that if it has a sticky cam-chain > tensioner. Otherwise you can just tell them it is more like a 50 HP vacuum > cleaner :-) > (This is actually a pretty funny story, one that arose while discussing > the reason why males don't want to wear loose shorts and boxer underpants > while riding an un-faired bike. You guys with dirty minds figure out the > rest :-) > > Juan Not neccessarily dirty. Technically, the package of unfaired PC, boxer/loose Shorts, under and otherwise pants, is a system called Air-Conditioning, a device for environmental adjustment. 96redPC > > Inside every small problem is a big one trying to get government funding. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 > School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '91 Suzuki VX800 > University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat > (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m3.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id QnL29410; Wed, 04 Mar 1998 16:56:41 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: spain@ugsolutions.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:42:18 -0800 Subject: Re: PC800: Keeping the radiator filled.... From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy) Harrison, You have to back out the very small screw on the cap -- not completely, but quite a bit. The cap is the same as a car radiator cap -- two tabs 180 apart that go into two slots in the flange filler neck, the catch under the flange as you turn. Take the screw out and the cap will turn. I occassionally top off via the bottle, but no coolant problems in 78,000 miles. It's cheap insurance to change the drain bolt washer when you change the coolant. Richard Hardy, San Diego rahardy@juno.com On Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:15:02 -0800 "Spain, Harrison" writes: >Anyone had their radiator coolant get a tad low? Every time I've >looked >at the reservoir, it had >fluid in it so I figured the radiator was fine. > >I can't get my actual radiator cap off. I twisted hard and was afraid >I >would damage the >neck so I just left it alone. I even tried channel locks... :-) > >Recently, I noticed that the temperature gauge went to mid-range a bit >too fast. The cooling fan >also seemed to kick in at stop lights. > >I checked the reservoir and it was empty. I put in some water (I know >I >should use distilled water...) >and everything is now fine. The temperature gauge stays low during >cooler weather. > >I just thought I'd open up the conversation. Should I be able to >remove >the actual radiator cap? >Do you have to remove that phillips screw first? Is anyone else >adding >coolant to their system? > > >Harrison Spain > >* Harrison Spain >* Unigraphics Solutions GTAC - Systems Support Manager >* Voice: 714-952-6114 >* Fax: 714-952-5371 >* Internet E-Mail: spain@ugsolutions.com > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:07:32 -0500 From: Andrew Turner Subject: PC800: Exhausts, Gas Tanks and Tyres To: "INTERNET:nsimmons@manu.com" Cc: PC800 mail list Apparently Honda will Supply the exhausts here in the UK through any Hond= a Dealer or if you have difficulties you could go through the PC800 club og= UK based in Merther Tydfl. I can get you his phone No if you wish. Regards Andy -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'pc800 list'" Subject: PC800: Self Canceling Turn Signals Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 07:20:16 -0500 This morning I got to experience a "feature" of the 97-98 PC800. No self canceling turn signals, push-to-cancel only. Apparently my speedometer cable is broken. These '95s have a lot of problems. Roger -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 09:29:28 -0800 From: Alan Taylor To: "Prince, Roger" CC: "'pc800 list'" Subject: Re: PC800: Self Canceling Turn Signals Prince, Roger wrote: > This morning I got to experience a "feature" of the 97-98 PC800. No > self canceling turn signals, push-to-cancel only. Apparently my > speedometer cable is broken. Look at the good side, you can pin point exactly when the failure occurred. By the way, when was that. My 95 has about 24,500 on it. Alan Taylor 95 PC800 "Midnight" Long Beach, CA > > > Roger > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" Cc: "'pc800 list'" Subject: RE: PC800: Self Canceling Turn Signals Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:47:12 -0500 34,000 miles. Roger > -----Original Message----- > Prince, Roger wrote: > > > This morning I got to experience a "feature" of the 97-98 PC800. No > > self canceling turn signals, push-to-cancel only. Apparently my > > speedometer cable is broken. > > Look at the good side, you can pin point exactly when the failure > occurred. > By the way, when was that. My 95 has about 24,500 on it. > > Alan Taylor > 95 PC800 "Midnight" > Long Beach, CA > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ramin Keyvan" Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:02:11 -0800 "PC800: Self Canceling Turn Signals" (Mar 5, 7:20am) To: "'pc800 list'" Subject: Re: PC800: Self Canceling Turn Signals On Mar 5, 7:20am, Prince, Roger wrote: > Subject: PC800: Self Canceling Turn Signals > This morning I got to experience a "feature" of the 97-98 PC800. No > self canceling turn signals, push-to-cancel only. Apparently my > speedometer cable is broken. These '95s have a lot of problems. > > Roger Ok, which one of us is smoking something funny? Which bike do you have? The '97-'98 or the '95? Signed, Confused in California ;-) -- -To Live is to Risk-----Entil-Zha- ------------------------------------------------------ |Ramin Keyvan | Voice: 650-846-5169 | |Member Technical Staff/ | FAX: 650-846-5005 | |Release Group | Main #:650-846-5000 | |ramin@tibco.com | Beeper:800-SKY-GRAM | |http://www.tibco.com | Beeper Pin #: 471-3186# | |########################| Cell Phone:650-307-6622 | ------------------------------------------------------ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'pc800 list'" Subject: RE: PC800: Self Canceling Turn Signals Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:13:23 -0500 Sorry. It's a '95 with a broken speedometer cable. Roger > -----Original Message----- > From: Ramin Keyvan [SMTP:ramin@tibco.com] > > On Mar 5, 7:20am, Prince, Roger wrote: > > Subject: PC800: Self Canceling Turn Signals > > This morning I got to experience a "feature" of the 97-98 PC800. No > > self canceling turn signals, push-to-cancel only. Apparently my > > speedometer cable is broken. These '95s have a lot of problems. > > > > Roger > > Ok, which one of us is smoking something funny? Which bike do > you > have? The '97-'98 or the '95? > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ThZander Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:30:26 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Boston Hi ! Is there anyone in Boston / Maine out there? Like to have contact with someone in this area. Thanks in advance Thomas -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PRGormley Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:43:09 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: PC800 Boston Area Hi Thomas, I live in Marblehead, Massachusetts and work in the next town over (Salem) as an attorney. I see other PC800s around, but not that frequently. My PC800 is a 96 under the name Dark Knight (I am a criminal defense attorney). THe bike gets split duty between fun and commuting. It's great (for this purpose) to be self-employed. Can I help you with something? Where are you? s/Paul Gormley -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/971030) via SMTP id RAA01068 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:27:38 -0500 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: FW: PC800: Self Canceling Turn Signals Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:03:19 -0500 Opinion follows... Folks, unlike automobiles which change constantly, the PC is very nearly = unchanged from '90 - '96. I rather doubt that there's a "bad" year in = the series.=20 Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Prince, Roger [SMTP:RPrince@imps0014.us.dg.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 1998 12:47 PM Cc: 'pc800 list' Subject: RE: PC800: Self Canceling Turn Signals 34,000 miles. Roger > -----Original Message----- > Prince, Roger wrote: >=20 > > This morning I got to experience a "feature" of the 97-98 PC800. No > > self canceling turn signals, push-to-cancel only. Apparently my > > speedometer cable is broken. >=20 > Look at the good side, you can pin point exactly when the failure > occurred. > By the way, when was that. My 95 has about 24,500 on it. >=20 > Alan Taylor > 95 PC800 "Midnight" > Long Beach, CA >=20 >=20 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 13:55:49 -0900 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC800: Self Canceling Turn Signals At 17:03 3/5/98 -0500, you wrote: >Opinion follows... > >Folks, unlike automobiles which change constantly, the PC is very nearly unchanged from '90 - '96. I rather doubt that there's a "bad" year in the series. Jim, under this scenario, it is not necessary to have change in design to create a bad number of PCs. All it takes is for someone along the line to slack off on quality control, a change of component suppliers here, a substandard batch of raw materials there. Thus, even with no change in a design, it is quite possible that there _might_ be a number of PCs that might be "sub-par." IMHO. Juan Inside every small problem is a big one trying to get government funding. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '91 Suzuki VX800 University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:05:04 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: PC800: Bay Area members Hi there everyone. Are there any members in the San Francisco Bay Area? I'm going to be there for business for about a week in April. (in Walnut Creek) . fsl :- ) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 21:29:32 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 21:24:01 -0600 From: jgeistlubtx@door.net (geist, james) To: PC800 Subject: PC800: PC for sale.... Hello all. Anyone in search of a PC, there's a '95 (Black) for sale here in Lubbock, Tx. It has 3400 miles and has a Corbin seat. The asking price is $4500. Looks very nice. Might be worth the plane ticket. James I seem to be having trouble with my e-mail. If anyone receives this message, please let me know. I haven't had any mail from the PC list for a few days now. Thank's. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'jgeistlubtx@door.net'" , PC800 Subject: RE: PC800: PC for sale.... Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 23:10:53 -0500 James, I'm replying to you and the list so you should see two replies. There have been some messages from the list the last couple days. Roger > -----Original Message----- > From: jgeistlubtx@door.net [SMTP:jgeistlubtx@door.net] > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 1998 10:24 PM > To: PC800 > Subject: PC800: PC for sale.... > > Hello all. > > Anyone in search of a PC, there's a '95 (Black) for sale here in > Lubbock, Tx. It has 3400 miles and has a Corbin seat. The asking price > is $4500. Looks very nice. Might be worth the plane ticket. > > James > > I seem to be having trouble with my e-mail. If anyone receives this > message, please let me know. I haven't had any mail from the PC list > for > a few days now. Thank's. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 21:16:24 -0800 From: Phil Lewis To: PC800 Group Subject: PC800: I'm selling my '90 PC!! Hello All! Yep, you read it right! I happen to run across a Kawasaki Voyager, a couple of days ago, and after I tried it out, I just had to buy it. I guess I'm getting older, but I really do like this type of bike. I tried out a Goldwing, but I decided on the Kawasaki for 3 reasons. It's very smooth, has great acceleration, and fits my short legs!! :) So, without further ado, I submit my PC for sale. It has a lot of extras, as some of you probably already know. You can see most of them at http://www.concentric.net/~Pilewis1/pcphotos/PCRPHOT4.HTM. I'm asking $4200. It has a total of about 13,500 miles and rides like new. I hope somebody will give it a good home! Take care, Phil Lewis Southern California -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) 6 Mar 1998 05:16:36 +0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 21:14:04 -0600 From: Mike Ver Velde Subject: PC800: waterproof gloves To: PC800 List BOUNDARY="Boundary_(ID_EtNh5hQMZHphd/q4Qo48wQ)" --Boundary_(ID_EtNh5hQMZHphd/q4Qo48wQ) This message serves two purposes.=20 1. This list seems so deathly quiet... 2. Im curious. Here goes... I have winter gloves that have gore tex (Olympia) I also = have leather summer and mid weight gloves that are definitely not = waterproof. Havent seen any at the local honda dealers. Wondering if = any of you have warm/cool weather gloves for rainy weather? (I'm not = fond of the Aerostitch catalog solution- oversized yellow dishwashing = gloves over your leathers...) Mike V 32k and enjoying every minute --Boundary_(ID_EtNh5hQMZHphd/q4Qo48wQ)
This message serves two purposes. =
1. This list seems so deathly=20 quiet...
2. Im curious.
 
Here goes... I have winter gloves = that have gore=20 tex (Olympia)  I also have leather summer and mid weight gloves = that are=20 definitely not waterproof.  Havent seen any at the local honda = dealers.=20 Wondering if any of you have warm/cool weather gloves for rainy = weather? =20 (I'm not fond of the Aerostitch catalog solution- oversized yellow = dishwashing=20 gloves over your leathers...)
 
Mike V
32k and enjoying every=20 minute
--Boundary_(ID_EtNh5hQMZHphd/q4Qo48wQ)-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 22:39:46 -0800 From: Johan Lai To: pilewis1@concentric.net CC: PC800 Group Subject: Re: PC800: I'm selling my '90 PC!! Ahhhhh!!! Phil!! Did you have a hard landing or something ?! Ok. I'm ok now. Just let me jump start my heart again :) I'm sure you'll stay with us on the rides, but we'll miss old "eagle eyes" :) Cheers, Johan Phil Lewis wrote: > > Hello All! > > Yep, you read it right! I happen to run across a Kawasaki > Voyager, a couple of days ago, and after I tried it out, I > just had to buy it. I guess I'm getting older, but I really > do like this type of bike. I tried out a Goldwing, but I > decided on the Kawasaki for 3 reasons. It's very smooth, > has great acceleration, and fits my short legs!! :) > > So, without further ado, I submit my PC for sale. It has a > lot of extras, as some of you probably already know. You > can see most of them at > http://www.concentric.net/~Pilewis1/pcphotos/PCRPHOT4.HTM. > > I'm asking $4200. It has a total of about 13,500 miles and > rides like new. > > I hope somebody will give it a good home! > > Take care, > > Phil Lewis > Southern California > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 23:52:09 -0800 From: Alan Taylor To: Mike Ver Velde CC: PC800 List Subject: Re: PC800: waterproof gloves Mike Ver Velde wrote: > This message serves two purposes.1. This list seems so deathly > quiet...2. Im curious. Here goes... I have winter gloves that have > gore tex (Olympia) I also have leather summer and mid weight gloves > that are definitely not waterproof. Havent seen any at the local > honda dealers. Wondering if any of you have warm/cool weather gloves > for rainy weather? (I'm not fond of the Aerostitch catalog solution- > oversized yellow dishwashing gloves over your leathers...) > > I have Motosport leather gauntlets for the cooler weather that have > pockets in the cuff. Inside the cuff is a waterproof nylon mitten > that goes over the glove when needed, but tucks away when not. The > insulation is 3M Thinsulate, which claims the same properties as Gore > Tex. > > Alan Taylor > 95 PC800 "Midnight" > Long Beach, CA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 00:11:47 +0000 From: hwong29 To: Johan Lai CC: pilewis1@concentric.net, PC800 Group Subject: Re: PC800: I'm selling my '90 PC!! Ladies and gentlemen, please remain seated, with your seat belt secured, we are experiencing sudden turbulence. Emerging is the SCBBRC, Southern California Big Bike Riders Club. Upgrading our PC like upgrading our PC ??. The logical path is ....yea .... a Honda Wing or Kawa Voyager. As they say life's short, ride hard ! Ride safe too. Enjoy Phil. Hallman Johan Lai wrote: > > Ahhhhh!!! Phil!! Did you have a hard landing or > something ?! > > Ok. I'm ok now. Just let me jump start my > heart again :) I'm sure you'll stay with us > on the rides, but we'll miss old "eagle eyes" :) > > Cheers, > Johan > > Phil Lewis wrote: > > > > Hello All! > > > > Yep, you read it right! I happen to run across a Kawasaki > > Voyager, a couple of days ago, and after I tried it out, I > > just had to buy it. I guess I'm getting older, but I really > > do like this type of bike. I tried out a Goldwing, but I > > decided on the Kawasaki for 3 reasons. It's very smooth, > > has great acceleration, and fits my short legs!! :) > > > > So, without further ado, I submit my PC for sale. It has a > > lot of extras, as some of you probably already know. You > > can see most of them at > > http://www.concentric.net/~Pilewis1/pcphotos/PCRPHOT4.HTM > > > > I'm asking $4200. It has a total of about 13,500 miles and > > rides like new. > > > > I hope somebody will give it a good home! > > > > Take care, > > > > Phil Lewis > > Southern California > > > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 03:06:59 -0800 From: Phil Lewis To: ka2wij@earthlink.net CC: Mike Ver Velde , PC800 List Subject: Re: PC800: waterproof gloves Alan Taylor wrote: > > > > I have Motosport leather gauntlets for the cooler weather that have > > pockets in the cuff. Inside the cuff is a waterproof nylon mitten > > that goes over the glove when needed, but tucks away when not. The > > insulation is 3M Thinsulate, which claims the same properties as Gore > > Tex. > > > > Alan Taylor > > 95 PC800 "Midnight" > > Long Beach, CA > I also have the same glove! The waterproof nylon mitten works very well and can be unfolded and used very easily. Phil -- ************* *Phil Lewis * *'90 PC * *"Delta Red"* *So. Cal. * ************* -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'Mike Ver Velde'" , PC800 List Subject: RE: PC800: waterproof gloves Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 07:29:34 -0500 Mike, Kmart sells some neoprene/foam gloves called HotShots that might fill the bill. Unfortunately they don't hold up well and leak in heavy rain. I have a high quality (at 3x price - $25) version of that type glove made by Stearns. They are waterproof and reasonably warm. I bought mine at a local BMW dealer. They were written up in one of the cycle magazines a few years ago. If you can't find any info on them I'll try to find something in the piles of debris in my cellar. Roger > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Ver Velde [SMTP:m.vervelde@MCI2000.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 1998 10:14 PM > To: PC800 List > Subject: PC800: waterproof gloves > > This message serves two purposes. > 1. This list seems so deathly quiet... > 2. Im curious. > > Here goes... I have winter gloves that have gore tex (Olympia) I also > have leather summer and mid weight gloves that are definitely not > waterproof. Havent seen any at the local honda dealers. Wondering if > any of you have warm/cool weather gloves for rainy weather? (I'm not > fond of the Aerostitch catalog solution- oversized yellow dishwashing > gloves over your leathers...) > > Mike V > 32k and enjoying every minute -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: PC800: To Kevlar or Not to Kevlar, that is the question? Date: Fri, 6 Mar 98 07:04:30 -0600 From: "Paul B. Atkins" To: "Honda Sports Touring Assoc." , "pc 800 list" Hello fellow listers, I am faced with a choice...a new jacket for the riding season...I currently have a pair of chaps, and a heavy leather insulated jacket that I bought used. But, it is much too heavy for spring, summer use. I am wondering if I should get some kind of lighter leather jacket, or one of the synthetic jackets. I know Aerostich gets rave reviews, but the Darien jacket is pricy for my budget. I want more protection than a denim shirt or jacket that I would usually wear on a warm day, but with the vents that make a bike jacket wearable in the summer. I've seen ads for Joe Rocket, Rhodegear, Tourmaster, etc. jackets...whats the word out there? Thanks in advance for your advice. Paul 78 CB750...and waiting for the new PC 800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ernie.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id GAA04957; Fri, 06 Mar 1998 06:56:37 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: patkins@mari.net, HSTA@listproc.bgsu.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: To Kevlar or Not to Kevlar, that is the question? Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 06:52:48 -0800 As many of you may or may not remember, I totaled my PC, vacilated between purchasing another PC or a Concours, and finally bought a BMW R1100RT. This web site was sent out on the BMW mailing list. It is a used leather exchange. ->I'd like to try to atone for my otherwise useless posts by throwing in ->one of some worth. I was forwarded this URL some time ago and never ->checked it out til today. ->http://members.aol.com/motorle/index.html ->It is for the Motorcycle Leather Exchange, trading in used motorcycle ->apparel. I have no knowledge of their business practices but there are ->descriptions and pictures of all the pieces they have available. The ->prices look reasonable, i.e. AGV 2-piece suit, black with gray, euro ->size 50 (US 40) for $250. As a cheap bastard it appealed to me, hope ->someone else finds it worthwhile. ->tom I hope this can help your pocket book a little. Todd Vierheller '96 BMW R1100RTL, Rain Dancer 206-930-3110 (Work) 425-488-0851 (Home) vierhel@ibm.net (Home Office) Y2K Project Office Year 2000 -- Resistance is Futile Do I believe in the Bible? Hell, man! I've seen one! > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul B. Atkins [SMTP:patkins@mari.net] > Sent: Friday, March 06, 1998 5:05 AM > To: Honda Sports Touring Assoc.; pc 800 list > Subject: PC800: To Kevlar or Not to Kevlar, that is the question? > > Hello fellow listers, > I am faced with a choice...a new jacket for the riding season...I > currently have a pair of chaps, and a heavy leather insulated jacket > that > I bought used. But, it is much too heavy for spring, summer use. > I am wondering if I should get some kind of lighter leather jacket, or > > one of the synthetic jackets. I know Aerostich gets rave reviews, but > the > Darien jacket is pricy for my budget. > I want more protection than a denim shirt or jacket that I would > usually > wear on a warm day, but with the vents that make a bike jacket > wearable > in the summer. > I've seen ads for Joe Rocket, Rhodegear, Tourmaster, etc. > jackets...whats > the word out there? > Thanks in advance for your advice. > Paul > 78 CB750...and waiting for the new PC 800 > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-0U10L2S100) (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:20:33 -0900 AKMAIL1.Alaska To: patkins@mari.net ("Paul B. Atkins"), pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re:PC800: To Kevlar or Not to Kevlar, that is the question? Date: 06 Mar 98 08:13:03 KST I bought a Joe Rocket Ballistic jacket at the Seattle show in January. I was originally looking for a leather jacket but decided on this one because the price was right and I was able to try it on to make sure it would fit (it was also black and purple, two of my favorite colors). I wore it for the first time a couple of weeks ago when I hitched a ride on the back of my friends bike because my bike is still in storage. The temperature was in the mid 30's and felt quite warm, but would have put on another layer if I were riding any longer. This weekend will be the real test... Jo Ruby Juneau, Alaska 94 PC 800 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: PC800: To Kevlar or Not to Kevlar, that is the question? Author: patkins@mari.net ("Paul B. Atkins") Date: 3/6/98 7:04 AM Hello fellow listers, I am faced with a choice...a new jacket for the riding season...I currently have a pair of chaps, and a heavy leather insulated jacket that I bought used. But, it is much too heavy for spring, summer use. I am wondering if I should get some kind of lighter leather jacket, or one of the synthetic jackets. I know Aerostich gets rave reviews, but the Darien jacket is pricy for my budget. I want more protection than a denim shirt or jacket that I would usually wear on a warm day, but with the vents that make a bike jacket wearable in the summer. I've seen ads for Joe Rocket, Rhodegear, Tourmaster, etc. jackets...whats the word out there? Thanks in advance for your advice. Paul 78 CB750...and waiting for the new PC 800 -- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us'" , patkins@mari.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: To Kevlar or Not to Kevlar, that is the question? Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 12:50:40 -0500 My favorite colors to go with the black PC. My black and purple jacket is a Motoport Canyon which I am quite happy with. But it is a bit warm in the summer. Zip-out liner but could use more vent. Water proof material but has seams and zippers. My second. The armor and Cordura did a good job in an accident but the Cordura melted some on one sleeve. Being able to try one on is a must. Good luck. Roger > -----Original Message----- > From: Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us [SMTP:Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us] > Sent: Friday, March 06, 1998 3:13 AM > To: patkins@mari.net; pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re:PC800: To Kevlar or Not to Kevlar, that is the > question? > > I bought a Joe Rocket Ballistic jacket at the Seattle show in January. > I was > originally looking for a leather jacket but decided on this one > because the > price was right and I was able to try it on to make sure it would fit > (it was > also black and purple, two of my favorite colors). > > I wore it for the first time a couple of weeks ago when I hitched a > ride on the > back of my friends bike because my bike is still in storage. The > temperature > was in the mid 30's and felt quite warm, but would have put on another > layer if > I were riding any longer. > > This weekend will be the real test... > > Jo Ruby > Juneau, Alaska > 94 PC 800 > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Subject: PC800: To Kevlar or Not to Kevlar, that is the question? > Author: patkins@mari.net ("Paul B. Atkins") > Date: 3/6/98 7:04 AM > > Hello fellow listers, > I am faced with a choice...a new jacket for the riding season...I > currently have a pair of chaps, and a heavy leather insulated jacket > that > I bought used. But, it is much too heavy for spring, summer use. > I am wondering if I should get some kind of lighter leather jacket, or > > one of the synthetic jackets. I know Aerostich gets rave reviews, but > the > Darien jacket is pricy for my budget. > I want more protection than a denim shirt or jacket that I would > usually > wear on a warm day, but with the vents that make a bike jacket > wearable > in the summer. > I've seen ads for Joe Rocket, Rhodegear, Tourmaster, etc. > jackets...whats > the word out there? > Thanks in advance for your advice. > Paul > 78 CB750...and waiting for the new PC 800 > -- > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 08:57:53 -0900 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC800: Riding. At 08:13 3/6/98 KST, Jo Ruby wrote: >This weekend will be the real test... WHAT!? You mean you guys in Juneau are riding already? Dagnabit! That's IT. I'm not reading any more e-mail until I can get MY bike out, right around mid April! :-P******* <---- Raspberries to all of you who torture me so. Juan Inside every small problem is a big one trying to get government funding. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '91 Suzuki VX800 University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-0U10L2S100) (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:29:24 -0900 AKMAIL1.Alaska To: jgoula@ims.uaf.edu ("Juan A. Goula"), pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re:PC800: Riding. Date: 06 Mar 98 09:20:47 KST That's what I was saying to all the people riding their bikes last month! There's no snow on the ground, and the bulbs are starting to sprout. Go figure! Must be that ole El Nino... Please forgive me, Juan, but a gal's gotta do what she's gotta do... Jo ____________________Reply Separator____________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: PC800: Riding. Author: jgoula@ims.uaf.edu ("Juan A. Goula") Date: 3/6/98 8:57 AM At 08:13 3/6/98 KST, Jo Ruby wrote: >This weekend will be the real test... WHAT!? You mean you guys in Juneau are riding already? Dagnabit! That's IT. I'm not reading any more e-mail until I can get MY bike out, right around mid April! :-P******* <---- Raspberries to all of you who torture me so. Juan Inside every small problem is a big one trying to get government funding. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '91 Suzuki VX800 University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 10:52:31 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Riding. hehehe..I"M GOING RIDING. I don't care if it's only 41 degrees out. It's sunny. and it's NOT raining. wheeeeeee maybe I'll ride to the shop and test ride a Royal Star :>) -- Dave Gross and Baron George Von Helldog www.halcyon.com/dkgross AOL Inst.Msg. 'dkgross' -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 13:32:32 -0500 (EST) From: frankc@nap62.nap-wc.usace.army.mil To: pc800list Subject: PC800: Riding Clothes I am cheap too. But I wanted good quality. I found a way to have it both ways. About once a week, I have been noticing how Aerostich updates their web page that lists closeouts and 'irregulars' at very nice prices. Check out there page (www.aerostich.com) if you like their stuff, but don't want to pay a small fortune. I just bought a Roadcrafter jacket for $197 (normal $397) and a pair of Roadcrafter pants for $197 (normally $347). _______________________________________ - Frank Cook - fcook@erols.com PC800, 1990, 11,400 miles _______________________________________ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Alan Rothenbush id LAA24551 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu (from beer@sfu.ca); Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:15:59 -0800 Subject: PC800: New Member questions To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:15:59 -0800 (PST) As a new member to the list, and the recent purchaser of a 1990 PC800 ( for my wife .. lucky girl ), I have a couple of questions. 1. Is the list available in digest form ? 2. Are there any "gotcha"s , mechanically, to look out for ? 3. Are there any aftermarket highway pegs for this beast ? I did see a post from someone on how they made their own, and it was rather ingenious, but I wasn't crazy about using hose clamps to mount the pegs. What I DID like was the fact that the pegs hid under the crash bars, maintaining the wonderful sleek profile of the PC800. I was going to machine her up a set that still folded under, but used a more secure mounting arrangement, but then I thought that I might be reinventing the wheel. On the other hand, if I DO make up a set, should I make up more than one .. is anyone else interested ? Many thanks, in advance. Alan -- Alan Rothenbush | The Spartans do not ask the number of the Academic Computing Services | enemy, only where they are. Simon Fraser University | Burnaby, B.C., Canada | Agix of Sparta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 15:53:31 -0500 From: Jason To: Alan Rothenbush CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: New Member questions 1. Dunno, I never looked. 2. The 1990 resolved some issues (plastic mounting, tire rubbing). Between 1990 and 1996 there were almost 0 changes. The one issue that comes to mind is a "fuel smell" that occurs on some machines. 3. As far as I know, noone has mass produced any pegs. I'd be very very very happy with a decent set, so if you do plan on machining them, let me know what you would sell a set for, please. -Jason Grant Crazyapple@ibm.net Alan Rothenbush wrote: > As a new member to the list, and the recent purchaser of a 1990 PC800 > ( for my wife .. lucky girl ), I have a couple of questions. > > 1. Is the list available in digest form ? > > 2. Are there any "gotcha"s , mechanically, to look out for ? > > 3. Are there any aftermarket highway pegs for this beast ? I did see > a post > from someone on how they made their own, and it was rather > ingenious, > but I wasn't crazy about using hose clamps to mount the pegs. > > What I DID like was the fact that the pegs hid under the crash > bars, > maintaining the wonderful sleek profile of the PC800. > > I was going to machine her up a set that still folded under, but > used a > more secure mounting arrangement, but then I thought that I might > be > reinventing the wheel. > > On the other hand, if I DO make up a set, should I make up more > than > one .. is anyone else interested ? > > Many thanks, in advance. > > Alan -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Fri, 6 Mar 1998 13:09:09 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Pauly" To: "Paul B. Atkins" , "Honda Sports Touring Assoc." , "pc 800 list" Subject: Re: PC800: To Kevlar or Not to Kevlar, that is the question? Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 13:12:20 -0800 >> but the Darien jacket is pricy for my budget. Just the obvious question: have you priced a skin graft lately?! Last time I checked, it was running at many times the price of a new jacket ... pain and suffering not withstanding. just kidding. sort of. - Pauly -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Paul B. Atkins To: Honda Sports Touring Assoc. ; pc 800 list Date: Friday, March 06, 1998 5:04 AM Subject: PC800: To Kevlar or Not to Kevlar, that is the question? Hello fellow listers, I am faced with a choice...a new jacket for the riding season...I currently have a pair of chaps, and a heavy leather insulated jacket that I bought used. But, it is much too heavy for spring, summer use. I am wondering if I should get some kind of lighter leather jacket, or one of the synthetic jackets. I know Aerostich gets rave reviews, but the Darien jacket is pricy for my budget. I want more protection than a denim shirt or jacket that I would usually wear on a warm day, but with the vents that make a bike jacket wearable in the summer. I've seen ads for Joe Rocket, Rhodegear, Tourmaster, etc. jackets...whats the word out there? Thanks in advance for your advice. Paul 78 CB750...and waiting for the new PC 800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Mar 98 13:27:39 PST From: "Wanda Bailie" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: PC800: To Kevlar or Not to Kevlar, that is the questi I have the armor and Cordura by Motorport. I really like it. The liner is zip out and very warm and waterproof. The jacket itself is water resistant, not waterproof. This means it breaths and is therefore cooler in the summer. It has vents too. I have had it a year now and am very pleased with it.....black and red combo. for my black PC with red pinstripping. If I had it to do again, I would go with the Kevlar as it is a much softer material. My husband has the same outfit in Kevlar and loves it. Wanda Bailie '95 PC800 "Black Beauty" ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: RE: PC800: To Kevlar or Not to Kevlar, that is the question? Author: "Prince, Roger" at INTERNET-KENTROX Date: 3/6/98 10:03 AM My favorite colors to go with the black PC. My black and purple jacket is a Motoport Canyon which I am quite happy with. But it is a bit warm in the summer. Zip-out liner but could use more vent. Water proof material but has seams and zippers. My second. The armor and Cordura did a good job in an accident but the Cordura melted some on one sleeve. Being able to try one on is a must. Good luck. Roger > -----Original Message----- > From: Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us [SMTP:Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us] > Sent: Friday, March 06, 1998 3:13 AM > To: patkins@mari.net; pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re:PC800: To Kevlar or Not to Kevlar, that is the > question? > > I bought a Joe Rocket Ballistic jacket at the Seattle show in January. > I was > originally looking for a leather jacket but decided on this one > because the > price was right and I was able to try it on to make sure it would fit > (it was > also black and purple, two of my favorite colors). > > I wore it for the first time a couple of weeks ago when I hitched a > ride on the > back of my friends bike because my bike is still in storage. The > temperature > was in the mid 30's and felt quite warm, but would have put on another > layer if > I were riding any longer. > > This weekend will be the real test... > > Jo Ruby > Juneau, Alaska > 94 PC 800 > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Subject: PC800: To Kevlar or Not to Kevlar, that is the question? > Author: patkins@mari.net ("Paul B. Atkins") > Date: 3/6/98 7:04 AM > > Hello fellow listers, > I am faced with a choice...a new jacket for the riding season...I > currently have a pair of chaps, and a heavy leather insulated jacket > that > I bought used. But, it is much too heavy for spring, summer use. > I am wondering if I should get some kind of lighter leather jacket, or > > one of the synthetic jackets. I know Aerostich gets rave reviews, but > the > Darien jacket is pricy for my budget. > I want more protection than a denim shirt or jacket that I would > usually > wear on a warm day, but with the vents that make a bike jacket > wearable > in the summer. > I've seen ads for Joe Rocket, Rhodegear, Tourmaster, etc. > jackets...whats > the word out there? > Thanks in advance for your advice. > Paul > 78 CB750...and waiting for the new PC 800 > -- > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) 6 Mar 1998 21:48:17 +0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 13:45:35 -0600 From: Mike Ver Velde Subject: Re: PC800: Riding Clothes To: frankc@nap62.nap-wc.usace.army.mil, pc800list Frank Writes: >I am cheap too. But I wanted good quality. I found a way to have it >both ways. About once a week, I have been noticing how Aerostich updates >their web page that lists closeouts and 'irregulars' at very nice >prices. Check out there page (www.aerostich.com) if you like their >stuff, but don't want to pay a small fortune. I just bought a >Roadcrafter jacket for $197 (normal $397) and a pair of Roadcrafter >pants for $197 (normally $347). > Ohhhh, If I only knew... Just checked it out. These are good deals! Mike V -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 13:51:06 -0800 (PST) From: Amy Rottier Donovan Subject: Re: PC800: New Member questions To: Alan Rothenbush , pc800@hpc.uh.edu ---Alan Rothenbush wrote: > > As a new member to the list, and the recent purchaser of a 1990 PC800 > ( for my wife .. lucky girl ), I have a couple of questions. Welcome! Yes, she is lucky indeed. I hope you don't give her the kind of grief my husband gave me ("Oh, honey, I didn't know you were having a Tupperware(TM) party" - you get the picture!). > 3. Are there any aftermarket highway pegs for this beast ? ........... > On the other hand, if I DO make up a set, should I make up more than > one .. is anyone else interested ? Ooh! Me me me me me!! Good luck, Amy (Just bought my '89 last month) == ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Amy Elizabeth Rottier Donovan Platypus69@yahoo.com aka Platypus How many surrealists does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Two. One to hold the giraffe and the other to fill the bathtub with brightly colored machine tools. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ernie.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA07887 for ; Fri, 06 Mar 1998 14:12:43 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: FW: Aerostich Size 44R For Sale Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:08:57 -0800 This was posted to the BMW list a while back. I don't know if it is still available, but if it is your size it might be worth a phone call... > -----Original Message----- > From: GIGREENE@aol.com [SMTP:GIGREENE@aol.com] > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 1998 8:33 PM > To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu > Cc: ldrider@usaa.net; airheads@micapeak.com; bmwmc@world.std.com; > bmw-gs@micapeak.com > Subject: BMW: Aerostich Size 44R For Sale > > > A fellow MSF instructor from this area(not on line) asked me to help > spread > this word: > What: Aerostich Roadcrafter suit size 44R > Color: Blue w/black ballistics/No fading of colors > Condition: Like new including the new style pads with plastic reinf. > Contact: Andy Seaton @ home @ (423)639-5885 Mornings > @ work @ (423)639-8151 Extension 238 > Afternoon/Evenings > Price: Asking $500.00 > > He's a growing boy and can't get into this suit anymore. His new size > is on > the way and he needs to part with this one. > > I haven't actually seen the suit. As always, buyer beware, but I have > no > reason to think it is anything other than as presented. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Cheney777 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 22:52:32 EST To: m.vervelde@MCI2000.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: waterproof gloves Hi - Have been spending the last two seasons looking for a pair of really waterproof gloves. Never seemed to be able to find anything to fit the bill ! About a month ago a buddy of mine showed up wearing a pair of gloves that seemed to be just the ticket! They are made of vinyl (gauntlet style) with a nice fleece lining. Has never seen anything like these at any motorcyle dealerships or catalogues. Turns out they are lobstermans gloves. He bought them at a local marine store that has a commercial fishermans outlet. The palms and fingers are roughened to handle lines and traps without slipping. I bought a pair (believe they were around $17.00 or so) and tried them out on the bike. Seem to be fine and the fleece lining keeps hands warm but keeps sweating to a minimum. Will carry them in my rain gear kit. If you are interested will get you particulars cheney777@aol.com (Cheney Stimson) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 21:28:45 -0800 To: "Wanda Bailie" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Greg Chambers Subject: Re[2]: PC800: To Kevlar or Not to Kevlar, that is the questi At 01:27 PM 3/6/98 -0800, Wanda Bailie wrote: > I have the armor and Cordura by Motorport. I really like it. I also have the Cordura by Motoport with the zip in Goretex liner. It's reasonably cool in the summer, and breathes well. With the liner in, it is very warm. It supposedly has the abrasion resistance of quality leather, and is armored for that wonderful initial asphalt contact. I also have their matching pants. Red top (for my 96) and black pants. I'm very happy with both. Greg Chambers -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: timmacy@juno.com by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DdR21348; Sat, 07 Mar 1998 03:08:32 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 22:35:38 -0800 Subject: Re: PC800: Self Canceling Turn Signals On Thu, 5 Mar 1998 07:20:16 -0500 "Prince, Roger" writes: >This morning I got to experience a "feature" of the 97-98 PC800. No self >canceling turn signals, push-to-cancel only. Apparently my speedometer cable is >broken. These '95s have a lot of problems. If the speedo isn't broken, it might be the Cancel Control Unit Connector back of the forks. My blinkers stopped blinking twice when I was in San Francisco, then started up again. I figure it's got to be some corrosion on a connection. Interesting, though, that if it is the speedo...my cable broke at 31K. Hmmm, is this becoming a standard feature of the '94-'95s? If it is Tim _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: timmacy@juno.com by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DdS21348; Sat, 07 Mar 1998 03:08:32 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 23:39:47 -0800 Subject: PC800: Quality Control (Was Self Canceling Turn Signals) On Thu, 05 Mar 1998 13:55:49 -0900 "Juan A. Goula" writes: >Jim, under this scenario, it is not necessary to have change in design to create a >bad number of PCs. All it takes is for someone along the line to slack off on >quality control, a change of component suppliers here, a substandard batch of >raw materials there. Thus, even with no change in a design, it is quite possible >that there _might_ be a number of PCs that might be "sub-par." IMHO. Interesting thought. Could this also be akin to the "Monday Cars Syndrome" as it pertained to the assembly lines in Detroit years ago? Supposedly research had been done which indicated that cars built on a Monday were the worst and the best cars came off the lines on Thursday (if my memory serves correctly on the day). Plain old human error and sloppiness attributed to not wanting to go back to work on Monday...... Tim Macy Portland, OR The StealthMobile ('94 PC800) - 66,775 Miles "I built my body to carry my brain around." - Sylvester Stallone _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: timmacy@juno.com by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DdQ21348; Sat, 07 Mar 1998 03:08:32 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 22:13:35 -0800 Subject: Re: PC800: Keeping the radiator filled.... On Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:15:02 -0800 "Spain, Harrison" writes: >I just thought I'd open up the conversation. Should I be able to remove the actual >radiator cap? Do you have to remove that phillips screw first? Is anyone else >adding coolant to their system? I just changed the Stealth's @ 64K; figured it was time. It has never gone below full, and I've never had to add anything. The coolant that came out looked great. I refilled with the motorcycle-specific stuff from Honda; it's pre-mixed. The radiator cap came off without a problem. If yours wouldn't come off (after removing the Phillips screw), it sounds like some sort of corrosion is holding it in place (Nan just had that problem with her SHO). Tim Macy Portland, OR The StealthMobile ('94 PC800) - 66,776 Miles "I built my body to carry my brain around." - Sylvester Stallone _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mark Lucas" To: Subject: Re: PC800: To Kevlar or Not to Kevlar, that is the question? Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 05:27:45 -0800 I recently dropped the cash on an Aerostitch Roadcrafter one-piece suit. Commuting every day, I love the ease I slip in and out of it. Very comfortable and very waterproof. Plenty warm on the cooler days with a light jacket underneath. I haven't (and hope not to have) reason to test it out at the 20 degrees you speak about. I *love* So. Cal. ;-) Mine happens to be blue and black. My wife says it looks really good on my black and silver '95. Peace, Mark Lucas http://home.earthlink.net/~mjlucas -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sat, 7 Mar 1998 07:47:12 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve & Diane Scudder " To: "Alan Rothenbush" , Subject: Re: PC800: New Member questions Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 08:44:23 -0500 Interested??? | I was going to machine her up a set that still folded under, but used a | more secure mounting arrangement, but then I thought that I might be | reinventing the wheel. | | On the other hand, if I DO make up a set, should I make up more than | one .. is anyone else interested ? | |Many thanks, in advance. | |Alan Yes! Pegs Pegs Pegs Pegs Pegs! You may just have a cottage industry on your hands! Steve Scudder greyhound@bizgroup.net How could you not LOVE a Greyhound?! 97 PC800 231 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PC Rider" To: "PC800 Mail List" Subject: PC800: PC800 Top Cover Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 09:22:59 -0500 I have a question for the list. Actually two questions. I have a 1990 PC that I bought last June, 1997. It had a Rifle windshield system already installed. The bike came with the owners manual and the service manual which both lead you through the steps of removing the bike's plastic panels. My first question is this: Is the procedure to remove the Rifle windshield the same as described in the manuals which actually cover the removal of the stock Honda windshield? If not what are the differences? Oh, that was two questions already! Well I have one more. My last question is: Is it really necessary to remove the mirrors and windshield (as described in the manuals) to eventually get the bike's top cover off to check, clean or change the air filter? Am I missing something or have other owners found shortcuts to get to the air cleaner? As you can probably tell I haven't done any body panel removal from the bike yet except those side covers to check and change the oil. The bike had a major service done in March, 1995 by the previous owner at the dealer where they go through the bike front to back and check, clean, change or replace everything and every fluid. So last season I didn't do anything more than change the oil. The bike is running fine, but now I figure I want to at least check the air cleaner and replace if necessary. Any help or comments would be appreciated! Thanks! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 20:27:06 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Waterproof Gloves Hi, All: I've had good results with Motoport's Polaris T gloves. They are a gauntlet- style glove with a Nylon shell, textured rubber grip area, Thinsulate lined (they claim to be good down to 3 deg F, but that is a bit optimistic--in my experience, they are good to down around 30 or so), and they are waterproof (you can literally submerge your hands in a tub of water and they will stay absolutely dry). At $25, they are a great glove at a very reasonable price. JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 19:21:44 -0800 From: George Anderson To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Forsale Forsale 1989 PC 800 Pearl White only 17,000 Kilometers, Like new, Lady driven $5000.00 Canadian Phone (604) 864-3921 -- George Anderson (84 Interstate) Langley, in Beautiful British Columbia -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:58:26 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mike Whited" To: "George Anderson" , Subject: Re: PC800: Forsale Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 08:53:30 -0500 I that Canadian dollars? ---------- > From: George Anderson > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: Forsale > Date: Saturday, March 07, 1998 10:21 PM > > Forsale 1989 PC 800 Pearl White only 17,000 Kilometers, Like new, Lady > driven $5000.00 Canadian Phone (604) 864-3921 > -- > George Anderson (84 Interstate) > Langley, in Beautiful British Columbia > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 10:43:08 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve & Diane Scudder " To: "PC800 Listserve" Subject: PC800: Latest additions to my riding arsenal. Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 11:39:10 -0500 Hello Listers! I've just added a Chatterbox HJC-90 communications system. Pretty neat device with in-helmet speakers (very small and comfortable) and microphone. I bought a second headset for Diane and hope to convince some friends to purchase the same so we can talk-n-ride. This thing is widely advertised, but for those who don't know about it here's a rundown: 2-channel radio transceiver with private intercom channel, vox sensitivity control (for voice-activated communications), push-to-talk button option (mounts to bike), rechargeable ni-cad battery pack and audio input for Walkman-type stereo unit with auto-mute while talking. It's nicely packaged, mounts to helmet with a quick disconnect system and weighs about 10 oz. Does anyone on the list use this device? Any comments would be appreciated-good or bad. The second addition is an AM/FM stereo-cassette player to provide music through the Chatterbox. I bought a Panasonic "Shock Wave" model RQ-SW70. This thing is really neat for those of us that don't have an on-board system. It is a digitally tuned stereo with 20 station presets, rubberized case (water resistant!) with cassette door locking mechanism. It also has a very secure mount which screws into the back of the unit for carrying the stereo on your belt. Here's the cool part-it also has a "hand grip" which threads through the mount somewhat like a very large rubberized sport-watch wrist band that is designed to securely attach the stereo to your hand. This strap fits around the plastic cover of a PC800's bars where they angle-up from the ignition to the grips!! I cruised with it yesterday and it didn't move at all (I live in Michigan, the land of broken pavement and VW Bug-eating potholes). When not in use on the bike, the headset that came with the stereo has excellent acoustics and Panasonic's VMSS feature (the headset actually "moves" with the music. Hard to describe, go find one and try it out.) In case anyone wants to know, I bought the Chatterbox products from a local Honda dealer for $160.00 total. The stereo was purchased at Circuit City for $79.00. Once again, anyone with experience using the Chatterbox please give your $0.02! Steve Scudder greyhound@bizgroup.net How could you not LOVE a Greyhound?! 97 PC800 270 (S)miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: bgarden@ibm.net Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 11:50:58 -0500 To: PC800 Listserve Subject: Re: PC800: Latest additions to my riding arsenal. --------------FF61163A3EEF8942ED9E6270 I have a Chatterbox HJC-80 for about 3 years.. It is great for talking from bike to bike or Driver or Passanger. Just adding my 2 cents worth. Mike PC '95 / 12750 GREAT MILES Steve & Diane Scudder wrote: > Hello Listers! > > I've just added a Chatterbox HJC-90 communications system. Pretty neat ( Snip) --------------FF61163A3EEF8942ED9E6270 I have a Chatterbox HJC-80 for about 3 years.. It is great for talking from bike to bike or Driver or Passanger. Just adding my 2 cents worth.

Mike
PC '95 / 12750 GREAT MILES

Steve & Diane Scudder wrote:

Hello Listers!

I've just added a Chatterbox HJC-90 communications system. Pretty neat

( Snip) --------------FF61163A3EEF8942ED9E6270-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 11:35:29 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve & Diane Scudder " To: "PC800 Listserve" Subject: PC800: More Questions. Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 12:31:54 -0500 Hi all, I'm looking for some advice from all of you veteran PC800 owners. Is there any disadvantage to changing oil at 300 miles on my new bike? The reason being that I don't know how long the bike sat at the dealer, etc. Also, does Honda use any type of "break-in" additive that I would defeat by doing an oil change at 300 miles? I have a gallon of GN-4 bought from dealer (10W-40), any advantage to HP-4? The dealer says it's a waste of money to buy a high performance oil for this bike. Any opinions? How about synthetics? Also, I need some advice on adding electrical accessories. My concern is that I might overload the bike's system. I have installed Honda's trunk lights, a Radio Shack alarm system (very minimal current draw), and a Priority-Plus brake light system (rated at 50 Watts). I would like to add driving lamps (Pilots, PIAA's, Motolight or something similar). Most are around 50 to 55 Watts rated. Anyone knowledgeable in this area? Once again, any help will be greatly appreciated. Steve Scudder greyhound@bizgroup.net How could you not LOVE a Greyhound?! 97 PC800, 270(S)miles Ps- Phil, If I didn't own my 97, I'd fly to So. Ca. and ride your beautiful PC home to Michigan. Good luck with the Kaw, I'll say that although they are very nice riding, I've had several friends that have owned one and all ended up detesting them. Major complaints were build quality and reliability. Sorry, not trying to second guess your decision. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'timmacy@juno.com'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Self Canceling Turn Signals Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:24:50 -0500 The reference to 97-98 and self canceling turn signals apparently confused a lot of people. My fault. The turn signals on my '95 weren't working because my speedo read 0 (zero). To the turn signal logic I never completed a turn because my speed was 0. Therefore push-to-cancel ala 97-98 PCs. I checked today and the speedometer cable broke 7" from the bottom end in the middle of the 90+ bend in the cable. I should have a new cable Tue or Wed. This '95 has its problems. I think I'll get a '96. PC800 of course. Red ones are reliable. Roger > -----Original Message----- > From: timmacy@juno.com [SMTP:timmacy@juno.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 07, 1998 1:36 AM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: PC800: Self Canceling Turn Signals > > > On Thu, 5 Mar 1998 07:20:16 -0500 "Prince, Roger" > writes: > >This morning I got to experience a "feature" of the 97-98 PC800. No > self >canceling turn signals, push-to-cancel only. Apparently my > speedometer cable is >broken. These '95s have a lot of problems. > > If the speedo isn't broken, it might be the Cancel Control Unit > Connector > back of the forks. My blinkers stopped blinking twice when I was in > San > Francisco, then started up again. I figure it's got to be some > corrosion > on a connection. > > Interesting, though, that if it is the speedo...my cable broke at 31K. > Hmmm, is this becoming a standard feature of the '94-'95s? > > If it is > Tim > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'PC Rider'" , PC800 Mail List Subject: RE: PC800: PC800 Top Cover Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:10:39 -0500 Remove the front seat, side panels and panels under the handlebars to gain access to the four mounts of the tank shelter. Then take the cover off the air filter. But I wouldn't worry too much about the filter. I replace mine every 20K or so. Roger > -----Original Message----- > From: PC Rider [SMTP:pcrider@snet.net] > Sent: Saturday, March 07, 1998 9:23 AM > To: PC800 Mail List > Subject: PC800: PC800 Top Cover > > I have a question for the list. Actually two questions. I have a > 1990 PC > that I bought last June, 1997. It had a Rifle windshield system > already > installed. The bike came with the owners manual and the service > manual > which both lead you through the steps of removing the bike's plastic > panels. > > My first question is this: > Is the procedure to remove the Rifle windshield the same as described > in the > manuals which actually cover the removal of the stock Honda > windshield? If > not what are the differences? > Oh, that was two questions already! Well I have one more. > > My last question is: > Is it really necessary to remove the mirrors and windshield (as > described in > the manuals) to eventually get the bike's top cover off to check, > clean or > change the air filter? Am I missing something or have other owners > found > shortcuts to get to the air cleaner? > > As you can probably tell I haven't done any body panel removal from > the bike > yet except those side covers to check and change the oil. The bike > had a > major service done in March, 1995 by the previous owner at the dealer > where > they go through the bike front to back and check, clean, change or > replace > everything and every fluid. So last season I didn't do anything more > than > change the oil. The bike is running fine, but now I figure I want to > at > least check the air cleaner and replace if necessary. > > Any help or comments would be appreciated! Thanks! > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. via SMTP by server3.wans.net, id smtpdAAAa0027y; Sun Mar 8 14:37:16 1998 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Craig Carter To: "'Steve & Diane Scudder '" , PC800 Listserve Subject: RE: PC800: More Questions. Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:36:08 -0600 Hi Steve, You can use synthetic oil in the PC800. My dealer had a book he checked when I asked and he said it was fine. There are a lot of bikes that don't recommend synthetics because they are too slick. Because I was there, I purchased Honda's synthetic oil but any good brand will work. Craig '95 PC800 -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Steve & Diane Scudder [SMTP:greyhound@bizgroup.net] Sent: Sunday, March 08, 1998 11:32 AM To: PC800 Listserve Subject: PC800: More Questions. Hi all, I'm looking for some advice from all of you veteran PC800 owners. Is there any disadvantage to changing oil at 300 miles on my new bike? The reason being that I don't know how long the bike sat at the dealer, etc. Also, does Honda use any type of "break-in" additive that I would defeat by doing an oil change at 300 miles? I have a gallon of GN-4 bought from dealer (10W-40), any advantage to HP-4? The dealer says it's a waste of money to buy a high performance oil for this bike. Any opinions? How about synthetics? Also, I need some advice on adding electrical accessories. My concern is that I might overload the bike's system. I have installed Honda's trunk lights, a Radio Shack alarm system (very minimal current draw), and a Priority-Plus brake light system (rated at 50 Watts). I would like to add driving lamps (Pilots, PIAA's, Motolight or something similar). Most are around 50 to 55 Watts rated. Anyone knowledgeable in this area? Once again, any help will be greatly appreciated. Steve Scudder greyhound@bizgroup.net How could you not LOVE a Greyhound?! 97 PC800, 270(S)miles Ps- Phil, If I didn't own my 97, I'd fly to So. Ca. and ride your beautiful PC home to Michigan. Good luck with the Kaw, I'll say that although they are very nice riding, I've had several friends that have owned one and all ended up detesting them. Major complaints were build quality and reliability. Sorry, not trying to second guess your decision. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. via SMTP by server3.wans.net, id smtpdAAAa0028w; Sun Mar 8 14:40:54 1998 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Craig Carter To: "'Prince, Roger'" , "'timmacy@juno.com'" , "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: RE: PC800: Self Canceling Turn Signals Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:39:46 -0600 Roger, Just because you've had a few problems that can be attributed to a lack of maintenance, bad day at the factory, faulty assembly, or just a group of bad parts is no reason to make blanket statements that the '95 is not reliable and the '96 is. My '95 has not had one single problem and I assume there are a lot of others who also have had no problems. Craig '95 PC800 San Antonio - Where it's over 70 degrees and beautiful.. :-) -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Prince, Roger [SMTP:RPrince@imps0014.us.dg.com] Sent: Sunday, March 08, 1998 1:25 PM To: 'timmacy@juno.com'; pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Self Canceling Turn Signals The reference to 97-98 and self canceling turn signals apparently confused a lot of people. My fault. The turn signals on my '95 weren't working because my speedo read 0 (zero). To the turn signal logic I never completed a turn because my speed was 0. Therefore push-to-cancel ala 97-98 PCs. I checked today and the speedometer cable broke 7" from the bottom end in the middle of the 90+ bend in the cable. I should have a new cable Tue or Wed. This '95 has its problems. I think I'll get a '96. PC800 of course. Red ones are reliable. Roger > -----Original Message----- > From: timmacy@juno.com [SMTP:timmacy@juno.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 07, 1998 1:36 AM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: PC800: Self Canceling Turn Signals > > > On Thu, 5 Mar 1998 07:20:16 -0500 "Prince, Roger" > writes: > >This morning I got to experience a "feature" of the 97-98 PC800. No > self >canceling turn signals, push-to-cancel only. Apparently my > speedometer cable is >broken. These '95s have a lot of problems. > > If the speedo isn't broken, it might be the Cancel Control Unit > Connector > back of the forks. My blinkers stopped blinking twice when I was in > San > Francisco, then started up again. I figure it's got to be some > corrosion > on a connection. > > Interesting, though, that if it is the speedo...my cable broke at 31K. > Hmmm, is this becoming a standard feature of the '94-'95s? > > If it is > Tim > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by PM03SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27035) 8 Mar 1998 20:49:54 +0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 15:47:18 -0500 From: Nick Iliff Subject: PC800: Hello All! To: pc800 Importance: Normal I am a new member to the PC800 list and have a few questions. I am considering purchasing a PC and want to know how big the trunk is, and if you can get a stereo with it. Thanks, Nick Iliff -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PRGormley Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 17:46:06 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: PC800 Boston Area --part0_889397166_boundary My longest trip on my 94 (realized I misspoke about year) was probably taking it home up 128 when I bought it. ALl of about 30 miles in total. That was the longest with a purpose. Done similar rides just going around doing errands, but of course everyone here knows how nice it is to have a bike that can carry home the groceries. I agree about the scarcity of fellow PC800ers, of course, the fact Cycles128 still has a brand new '96 on the floor and it was the only one they ever had speaks volumes. What form of self-employment, are -you- making any money, I can't say I am. - PRG --part0_889397166_boundary Content-disposition: inline ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Cheney777 Return-path: To: PRGormley@aol.com Subject: Re: PC800: Re: PC800 Boston Area Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:15:41 EST Hi Paul - Just noticed your reply to Thomas. Glad to know there are a few of us PC800 riders out there. Was getting lonely - haven't seen too many PC800s during my travels. Also have a 96 model which I bought new last year - put over 12K in it so far. Longest trip was to Clinton Iowa last August. Am planning to go to the San Francisco area this July. Love touring (can you tell??) Maybe we can hook up somewhere along the road this season. Am also self employed. cheney777@aol.com (Cheney Stimson) --part0_889397166_boundary-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 14:58:09 -0800 From: Phil Lewis To: Nick Iliff CC: pc800 Subject: Re: PC800: Hello All! Hi Nick! The trunk is big enough to hold a helmet and more in each side. It is also avialable with a stereo. I'm selling my PC, if you're interested. I live in Southern California. You can check out what mine looks like at http://www.concentric.net/~Pilewis1/pcphotos/PCRPHOT4.HTM. I'm asking a firm price of $4200, including a battery tender and shop manual. I have about 13,500 miles on it. The PC800 is a great bike and I'm sure you'll enjoy it, even if you don't get it from me!! :) Take care, Phil Nick Iliff wrote: > I am a new member to the PC800 list and have a few questions. I am > considering purchasing a PC and want to know how big the trunk is, and if > you can get a stereo with it. > > Thanks, > Nick Iliff > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- ************* *Phil Lewis * *'90 PC * *"Delta Red"* *So. Cal. * ************* -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 20:12:30 -0500 From: Richard Stafford To: Steve & Diane Scudder CC: PC800 Listserve Subject: Re: PC800: More Questions. Steve & Diane Scudder wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm looking for some advice from all of you veteran PC800 owners. > Is there any disadvantage to changing oil at 300 miles on my new bike? The > reason being that I don't know how long the bike sat at the dealer, etc. > Also, does Honda use any type of "break-in" additive that I would defeat by > doing an oil change at 300 miles? > I have a gallon of GN-4 bought from dealer (10W-40), any advantage to HP-4? > The dealer says it's a waste of money to buy a high performance oil for this > bike. Any opinions? How about synthetics? > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Steve, I just looked at my records and I changed my oil and filter at 297 miles. Just wanted to get all those initial run in shavings flushed out. Don't know if it helped but made me feel better. Dick, 90 PC, 94,000+ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 22:06:21 -0500 (EST) From: Dave DeLang To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: trunk > The trunk is big enough to hold a helmet and more in each side. It is also Has anyone else noticed that you have to be careful how you put a helmet in the right side of the trunk? The little diveders for the tool kit and owner's manual can hold a helmet high enough to allow the screws that hold the trunk lid together to hit it. Dave DeLang '90 PC: 24K and holding ( It's 25 deg. F and sleeting in N. Vermont ) (( and the shed's still froze shut )) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 03:42:53 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Cathy Kaiser" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: PC800 Questions Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:33:05 -0800 Steve- Re: your new bike and oil. There is probably no topic guaranteed to elicit more discussion amoung motorcyclists than oil. So here goes... I don't believe Honda uses any 'break-in additives' in any motorcycles. They do sometimes use special oils, this is where HP4 originated- if I remember correctly, HP4 came about as a line fill for one of the VFR series bikes which had some camshaft wear problems during break-in. After the initial test run at the factory the crankcase is drained, and the bike is shipped dry. The dealer then refills the crankcase oil at set-up, using what ever they have on hand. So once the special factory oil is drained, it's already done it's job. Don't worry about how long the bike sat at the dealer unless the engine was run quite a bit. Oil won't "spoil" just from sitting. When an engine runs it creates acids which end up in the oil. When the engine cools down, the oil absorbs water, mixes with the acid and this will cause corrosion if left in the crankcase. This is why you should always change your oil before and not after winter storage. Also don't worry about doing an oil change at 300 miles, I think you are a bit too early. The factory recommendation is 600 miles. Factory service intervals are typically very conservative (more frequent), so doing it any earlier is overkill. But hey, oil is cheap and if it makes you feel good, it's worth it! As far as GN4 vs HP4 goes, the dealer is right. HP4 is more slippery (more power/less wear) than GN4, and is more heat resistant. It really is a high performance oil. In racing, where performance is everything and cost is no object, you have to have it. For normal use I doubt you could tell it was in the crankcase, and if you can, you probably don't belong on a PC800! A couple places you definately do not want to use HP4 is a dirt bike like a CR where you are slipping the clutch all the time, or any of the bikes like a Z50 that have an automatic clutch. Regarding synthetics vs petroleums, synthetics are more slippery and have better heat resistance. Probably not worth the money in the long run. Maybe worth it two-up, fully loaded while crossing Texas in August. At least when you finish you won't need to rush out to change your oil. Synthetic oil lasts longer, but you have to balance that with the second purpose for oil, which is to carry away contaminants. Chances are your oil will be full of nasty things long before the oil wears out. The main thing you need to consider is that a motorcycle shares it's engine oil with the transmission. All those gears meshing together act like a cuisinart, shearing the long oil molecules into ever smaller pieces. Motorcycle oils are blended to deal with this. You can use regular auto oil, just plan on changing it more frequently, and make sure it has the latest SAE rating- SG now I think. My personal bottom line is that frequency of oil changes is much more important than using the latest wonder concoction. As for your electrical question, it works like this: add up all the electrical draws (things that use electricity) that you would typically use at one time and compare that to the alternator output. The difference is how much you can add before overloading the system. The key here is 'typically use at one time'- you can theoretically add an unlimited number of electrical gadgets, just don't turn them all on at one time! The other consideration is the capacity for any wire to carry the current and not melt. You don't want to inadvertantly try to power all your gizmos off the same portion of the stock wire harness or you risk exceeding what the wire can handle. A safe way around this when you have a high draw item is to connect it directly to the battery with it's own dedicated circuit, and not tap into the vehicles wire harness. Regards, Mark 98-RED kaismo@worldnet.att.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. via SMTP by server2.wans.net, id smtpda11027; Mon Mar 9 05:30:01 1998 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Craig Carter To: "'Dave DeLang'" , "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: RE: PC800: trunk Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 23:28:51 -0600 Hey Dave, be glad you don't have an extra large helmet like me. I managed to scratch the sides of it up pretty good the first week pushing it down into the trunk. The left side fits okay but the screw-heads on the side make it very tight. I never put one in the right side because it's even tighter. I finally purchased a nice helmet bad (fleece lining). Although it is still tight, it no longer scratches the brand new finish of my black RF800 Shoei. If you'll be storing a large (or larger) helmet, the helmet bag is highly recommended. By the way, I put it top-down. It seems to fit best that way. Craig C. '95 PC800 Has anyone else noticed that you have to be careful how you put a helmet in the right side of the trunk? The little diveders for the tool kit and owner's manual can hold a helmet high enough to allow the screws that hold the trunk lid together to hit it. Dave DeLang -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'Craig Carter'" , "'Dave DeLang'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: trunk Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 07:20:27 -0500 What screw heads on the side? The ones that hold the thin plastic piece? They are supposed to have snap on plastic caps. I find that a helmet fits better on the right side with the shield facing forward. But then my helmets aren't very big. Roger > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig Carter [SMTP:ccarter@wans.net] > Sent: Monday, March 09, 1998 12:29 AM > To: 'Dave DeLang'; pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: RE: PC800: trunk > > Hey Dave, be glad you don't have an extra large helmet like me. I > managed > to scratch the sides of it up pretty good the first week pushing it > down into the > trunk. The left side fits okay but the screw-heads on the side make > it very tight. > I never put one in the right side because it's even tighter. > I finally purchased a nice helmet bad (fleece lining). Although it > is still tight, > it no longer scratches the brand new finish of my black RF800 Shoei. > If > you'll be storing a large (or larger) helmet, the helmet bag is highly > > recommended. By the way, I put it top-down. It seems to fit best > that way. > > Craig C. > '95 PC800 > > Has anyone else noticed that you have to be careful how you put a > helmet > in the right side of the trunk? The little diveders for the tool kit > and > owner's manual can hold a helmet high enough to allow the screws that > hold the trunk lid together to hit it. > > Dave DeLang > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PRGormley Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:11:45 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: PC800 Boston Area & Cycles 128 Glad to see that they finally moved that '96, I wonder f they really did. Their show is coming up this weekend at Caruso's on Rte 1 in Lynnfield/Saugus, they had the '96 there last year, it may be in transit/on a truck waiting to be set up. Do you mean that they have other '96's in crates or newer models? As for their, shall we say, business acumen v. customer savvy, they are as good as any other used car dealer, caveat emptor. I made the mistake of buying two used bikes from them, now I will go to great lengths not to give them the business unless there is no option. As far as getting my PC serviced, I don't feel I have the option, so ... 128 it is. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PRGormley Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:29:04 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: PC800 Boston Area & Cycles 128 Cheney, I actually have the most fun carrying my daughter around, back n' forth to school, errands, etc. Until I get my wife riding and on a bike of her own, it's not much fun to do even light touring that excludes either my wife or daughter. But ... I caught parts of "Easy Rider" the other night on VH-1 while I was doing some work and really got to thinking how much fun a real touring ride would be. As for Cycles 128, I try to limit my participation to their service area and, I have to admit, I really do like their accessories area, it's the best part of the whole shop. As for a day trip, let me know if you ever get up in this area, cruising the North SHore area, etc. s/Paul -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:37:34 -0500 To: Dave DeLang , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: trunk At 10:06 PM -0500 3/8/98, Dave DeLang wrote: >Has anyone else noticed that you have to be careful how you put a helmet >in the right side of the trunk? The little diveders for the tool kit and >owner's manual can hold a helmet high enough to allow the screws that >hold the trunk lid together to hit it. I've noticed something along these lines. I had an ARAI helmet, about 10 years old, in size Large. I replaced it with a new Arai Quantun/e, in size Extra Large. Anyhow, the new helmet didn't fit in the right side of the trunk. I can get it to fit now, but I have to place it carefully, and close the lid gently. I don't think it is even touching the tool divider in the bottom of the trunk. It tends to sit higher than that. I find that the outside of the trunk liner is being forced wider, and then the trunk lid no longer fits over top of it. My bike is in storage now, but I will be bringing it home in about a month. I'm realyl curious now to see if it is resting on that tool divider., Maybe I can shave it down a bit to make more room for the helmet. bye for now. fsl :-) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jeroen van Vuure" To: "PC800 owners club" Subject: PC800: Help!!!!!!!!!! Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:01:51 +0100 Hi friends I need some help from one of you. this morning when i drove out on my bike to go to work somthing bad happend. When i turned in to a corner there was ice on the road and my beautifull bike crashed on his ride side. Some covers are damaged so i want to replace them. The dutch prices are very high so i hope someone is helpfull and want to buy these things for me and ship them over to me. ofcourse when the money is deliverd to you there will be som extra money for your help. I need the following thinks. I have a 89 pc800 so it's pearl white. I hope that thre's only one color of crash bar covers for this model. 1: right hand mirror housing 88115-MR5-013ZE I hope that's all the white cover pices on the mirror. I also want the front right flash light cover and the socket lamp holder. 1: front right crash bar cover 64205-MR5-000ZE 1: rear right crash bar cover 81214-MR5-000ZE I have three differend prices whit the following text above it S.R. Local E.C. C.A. Wich prices are the right ones? I hope someone will help me with this problem. Jeroen van Vuure Holland vuure@dds.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. via SMTP by server2.wans.net, id smtpda08309; Mon Mar 9 18:50:31 1998 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Craig Carter To: "'Francois Saint Laurent'" , Dave DeLang , "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: RE: PC800: trunk Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:49:24 -0600 Hey FSL, Same thing here with my extra large Shoei. The left side seems to be bigger and that's where I store mine. I've purchased and use a fleece-lined helmet bag to keep from scratching up the sides of the gloss black helmet. I also have to push it down a little on the left side and it flares the trunk a little but the lid still closes okay (the helmet never touches the bottom of the trunk). I doubt I'd have much luck with the right side so the divider is not an issue. I use the right side for tools, Hondaline trunk bag, extra shield, gloves, etc... If I removed the plastic screw covers and switched to beveled flat head screws, it would probably fit better but the helmet cover does the job fine. Although the Givi Trunk is nice and great for touring, it's not something I want hanging off the back of my bike all the time. Craig '95 PC800 I've noticed something along these lines. I had an ARAI helmet, about 10 years old, in size Large. I replaced it with a new Arai Quantun/e, in size Extra Large. Anyhow, the new helmet didn't fit in the right side of the trunk. I can get it to fit now, but I have to place it carefully, and close the lid gently. I don't think it is even touching the tool divider in the bottom of the trunk. It tends to sit higher than that. I find that the outside of the trunk liner is being forced wider, and then the trunk lid no longer fits over top of it. My bike is in storage now, but I will be bringing it home in about a month. I'm realyl curious now to see if it is resting on that tool divider., Maybe I can shave it down a bit to make more room for the helmet. bye for now. fsl :-) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. via SMTP by server2.wans.net, id smtpda08696; Mon Mar 9 19:00:34 1998 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Craig Carter To: "'Jeroen van Vuure'" Cc: "'PC800 Group (List)'" Subject: RE: PC800: Help!!!!!!!!!! Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:59:22 -0600 Hi, sorry to hear about your misfortune. Had the same thing happen to me a few years ago on a Yamaha. I was barely moving and the black ice got me when turning around a road divider. It should be no problem getting the parts. I just spent a few weeks tracking down the best prices for parts over the Internet, locally, and from other dealers. The best price by far was from Honda of Milpitas. They are well known among list members. They can order the parts for the best price and should be able to ship them to you. Send them your part numbers and see if they would be willing to ship them to you. If they can't/won't do it, let me know. Just give them the part numbers and they'll send you an email back with prices for each. Send your request to this Email address: HONDAMIL@aol.com Bill Hunt (parts & accessories manager 1-800-734-2639) Craig C - 95' PC800 (and no, I'm not affiliated with them in any way). -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/971030) via SMTP id TAA04846 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:08:50 -0500 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: FW: PC800: trunk Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:48:54 -0500 My Shoei RF700 fits in the trunk best when put there upside down. Otherwise, it is a pretty tight fit against the top of the cover. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dave DeLang [SMTP:ddelang@twilight.vtc.vsc.edu] Sent: Sunday, March 08, 1998 10:06 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: trunk > The trunk is big enough to hold a helmet and more in each side. It is also Has anyone else noticed that you have to be careful how you put a helmet in the right side of the trunk? The little diveders for the tool kit and owner's manual can hold a helmet high enough to allow the screws that hold the trunk lid together to hit it. Dave DeLang '90 PC: 24K and holding ( It's 25 deg. F and sleeting in N. Vermont ) (( and the shed's still froze shut )) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/971030) via SMTP id TAA06689 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:49:27 -0500 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'Elbert_E_Silbaugh@classic.msn.com'" Cc: "'PC800 List'" Subject: PC800: RE: How to Sell a Bike Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:32:07 -0500 Tough questions. Theres always some degree of risk in this situation. And, obviously, you'll want to be a lot more careful about your exposure with a $10K bike than you would with a $1K klunker. Here are my "rules" You'll have to apply your own judgement here. You want to make sure the potential buyer is really serious and not just interested in a joy ride. I like to ask a few leading questions like, "How long have you been riding?"; "Do you have a bike now?", etc. I really like when they arrive on a motorcycle - gives me some degree of confidence that they can indeed ride. If you have a lot of doubt, you might start out by taking them for a ride. If they're still interested, I'd want to agree on the price based on the assumption that the bike meets expectations. Your buyer should expect to ride the bike before closing the deal but the two of you should discuss and agree on responsibility for damage BEFORE the test ride. Depending on your level of confidence in the potential buyer, you might consider holding the buyer's check or cash as a deposit just in case.Most serious potential buyers won't have a problem with this approach if they understand you'll refund their check/money if they're not happy and there's no damage. If you have another bike, by all means go with them when they test ride. Also, and maybe most important, you're probably libel for any injuries the rider might sustain when trying your bike. Keep your insurance in effect until the deal is done. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Elbert Silbaugh [SMTP:Elbert_E_Silbaugh@classic.msn.com] Sent: Monday, March 09, 1998 3:52 AM To: Honda Sport Touring Association Subject: How to Sell a Bike Wondering what the rules should be when one wants to sell a bike - besides asking for a cashiers check. Do you let them test ride it? If so, what happens if it comes back in 10 minutes trashed? Elbert E Silbaugh STORMR H: 425-882-0224 W: 425-865-2858 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 17:11:45 -0800 From: Alan Taylor To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: trunk The problem i've encountered with putting a helmet in my 95 is with the stiffener ribs in the upper, outer corner. If I don't get any rags or tools out of the bottom to insure clearance, those ribs cut serrations in the vinyl edging that wraps around the helmet. I should note, that I wear a 3/4 helmet, not a full face. Alan Taylor 95 PC800 "Midnight" Long Beach, CA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by PM03SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27035) 10 Mar 1998 04:52:41 +0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 20:50:05 -0600 From: Mike Ver Velde Subject: Re: PC800: Hello All! To: Nick Iliff , pc800 >I am a new member to the PC800 list and have a few questions. I am >considering purchasing a PC and want to know how big the trunk is, and if >you can get a stereo with it. > >Thanks, >Nick Iliff > You can literally fit Don Ho and his tiny bubbles band in there. Mike sorry for the sarcasm. welcome to this nutty list! >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:56:48 -0500 (EST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:55:39 -0500 From: "Kenneth G. Smalley" <105314.2240@compuserve.com> Subject: PC800: Requiem for a beautiful lady... To: pc800 listserver Fellow PC riders: A sad story, but true, JH2RC3406KM003420 was totalled on Feb. 16, 1998. = She was a 1989 with 35,000 fantastic miles on her when Oscar Grope pulled= out in front of her; I tried to swerve her around him, but he panicked an= d swerved left also, giving me no where to go! She had been to the top of Pike's Peak, and now she's gone! Oh, sure, I still have her stable mate,= the Jolly Green Giant (a 1995 Gold Wing SE in 2-tone green), but the gara= ge and I won't be the same without her! As it turns out, she was due for a new Hondaline Windshield and a new Corbin seat, which are still in the garage. I paid $194 for the windshie= ld and $325 for the seat; I'm willing to part with them for a reasonable offer, either separately or together. If you are at all interested, drop me a line at 105314.2240@compuserve.co= m or call at work (630) 955-3219 or home (708) 246-8809. Just be gentle, since we're still in mourning... -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "David B. Partington" To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: PC800: 1994 PC800 Gas Guzzler problem! Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:00:28 -0700 I have a 1994 PC800 that runs great, one minor problem is the Bike EATS = gas. I only get 110 miles on a full tank of Fuel. I talk to the dealer = and he said maybe the air filter is clogged. I checked and it looks new. = Next dealer said check plugs, well I pulled the plugs and they also = looked good. While I had them out I cleaned them and checked the Gap. I = am not sure what else I can check, or have the dealer check.... Here are = my thoughts on what I think the problem is..... Im in Southeast Arizona = at an Altitude of 5000ft, maybe the PC was never setup for this climate. = When my bike has been ran, and I stop, I mildly smell gas, maybe I have = a leak, but no fuel is ever on the ground. I ride in town and on the = secondary highways, I do not drive my PC hard..... Any help anyone = could provide me on this would greatly be appreciated. Thanks Davep -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:27:18 -0500 To: "David B. Partington" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: 1994 PC800 Gas Guzzler problem! At 4:00 PM -0700 3/10/98, David B. Partington wrote: > When my bike has been ran, and I stop, I mildly smell gas, maybe I have a >leak, but no fuel is ever on the ground. Hi Dave. Search the archives for a documented problem with the fuel petcock. It hasn't happened to me yet, so I can't provide any more details, but I have seen it come up a few times in this list. The problem is easily diagnosed. Good luck. fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Alan Rothenbush id PAA24542 (from beer@sfu.ca); Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:26:07 -0800 Subject: Re: PC800: 1994 PC800 Gas Guzzler problem! To: dave@partington.net (David B. Partington) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:26:07 -0800 (PST) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > > I have a 1994 PC800 that runs great, one minor problem is the Bike EATS gas. I only get 110 miles on a full tank of Fuel. I talk to the dealer and he said maybe the air filter is clogged. I checked and it looks new. Next dealer said check plugs, well I pulled the plugs and they also looked good. While I had them out I cleaned them and checked the Gap. I am not sure what else I can check, or have the dealer check.... Here are my thoughts on what I think the problem is..... Im in Southeast Arizona at an Altitude of 5000ft, maybe the PC was never setup for this climate. When my bike has been ran, and I stop, I mildly smell gas, maybe I have a leak, but no fuel is ever on the ground. I ride in town and on the secondary highways, I do not drive my PC hard..... Any help anyone could provide me on this would greatly be appreciated. The altitude would not make that great a difference .. a leaking needle and seat might ... Alan -- Alan Rothenbush | The Spartans do not ask the number of the Academic Computing Services | enemy, only where they are. Simon Fraser University | Burnaby, B.C., Canada | Agix of Sparta -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:31:40 -0800 (PST) From: Scot Piper Subject: PC800: windshield differences To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Are all '89 - '98 PC800 windshields the same? I have an '89 with the factory tall, and was comparing to a '97 with the short. The '97 model looks more rounded. I'd like to get a shorter shield for my bike for summer riding (summer in MI, yeah right)... Does anyone have a short factory shield they'd like to sell cheap. I'd rather not trade my tall shield since it's useful for the cooler season here (all but the week of July 4th)... Scot '89 PC800 13,850 miles -------------- _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: 1994 PC800 Gas Guzzler problem! From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 10 Mar 1998 17:39:59 -0600 Lines: 12 >>>>> "DBP" == David B Partington writes: DBP> When my bike has been ran, and I stop, I mildly smell gas, maybe I DBP> have a leak, but no fuel is ever on the ground. Have your dealer check (or check yourself) the automatic fuel petcock. It seems that after a time the diaphragm starts to leak. There is a pile of information in the archives about this; try a search on 'petcock'. - J< -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'Scot Piper'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: windshield differences Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:25:01 -0500 The '89 windshield is shorter than the 90-96. I suspect the 97-98 is the same as 90-96. Roger '95 PC800 34,050 miles (and not counting - waiting for a new speedometer cable) > -----Original Message----- > From: Scot Piper [SMTP:sapiper@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 6:32 PM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: windshield differences > > Are all '89 - '98 PC800 windshields the same? I have an '89 with the > factory tall, and was comparing to a '97 with the short. The '97 > model looks more rounded. I'd like to get a shorter shield for my > bike for summer riding (summer in MI, yeah right)... > > Does anyone have a short factory shield they'd like to sell cheap. > I'd rather not trade my tall shield since it's useful for the cooler > season here (all but the week of July 4th)... > > Scot > '89 PC800 > 13,850 miles > -------------- > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'David B. Partington'" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: PC800: 1994 PC800 Gas Guzzler problem! Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:26:36 -0500 Dave, what is the actual mpg? > -----Original Message----- > > I have a 1994 PC800 that runs great, one minor problem is the Bike > EATS gas. I only get 110 miles on a full tank of Fuel. I talk to the > dealer and he said maybe the air filter is clogged. I checked and it > looks new. Next dealer said check plugs, well I pulled the plugs and > they also looked good. While I had them out I cleaned them and checked > the Gap. I am not sure what else I can check, or have the dealer > check.... Here are my thoughts on what I think the problem is..... Im > in Southeast Arizona at an Altitude of 5000ft, maybe the PC was never > setup for this climate. When my bike has been ran, and I stop, I > mildly smell gas, maybe I have a leak, but no fuel is ever on the > ground. I ride in town and on the secondary highways, I do not drive > my PC hard..... Any help anyone could provide me on this would > greatly be appreciated. > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/971030) via SMTP id UAA08209; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 20:13:09 -0500 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'dave@partington.net'" Cc: "'PC800 List'" Subject: FW: PC800: 1994 PC800 Gas Guzzler problem! Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:48:40 -0500 Dave, I'd say there's a very high probablity you have a=20 fuel leak. By removing the top shelf (the faux fuel tank)=20 you can see most of the fuel system. I'd look for cracked=20 hoses or maybe even a problem with the vacuum operated fuel cock. BTW, I don't usually start looking for gas until 170 miles. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: David B. Partington [SMTP:dave@partington.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 6:00 PM To: 'pc800@hpc.uh.edu' Subject: PC800: 1994 PC800 Gas Guzzler problem! I have a 1994 PC800 that runs great, one minor problem is the Bike EATS = gas. I only get 110 miles on a full tank of Fuel. I talk to the dealer = and he said maybe the air filter is clogged. I checked and it looks new. = Next dealer said check plugs, well I pulled the plugs and they also = looked good. While I had them out I cleaned them and checked the Gap. I = am not sure what else I can check, or have the dealer check.... Here are = my thoughts on what I think the problem is..... Im in Southeast Arizona = at an Altitude of 5000ft, maybe the PC was never setup for this climate. = When my bike has been ran, and I stop, I mildly smell gas, maybe I have = a leak, but no fuel is ever on the ground. I ride in town and on the = secondary highways, I do not drive my PC hard..... Any help anyone = could provide me on this would greatly be appreciated. Thanks Davep -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (IPAD 2.03) id 2953600 ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:59:04 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:55:23 -0500 From: Scot Piper To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: [Fwd: Re: FW: PC800: 1994 PC800 Gas Guzzler problem!] ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:54:53 -0500 From: Scot Piper To: Jim Randall Subject: Re: FW: PC800: 1994 PC800 Gas Guzzler problem! 170 miles? That's incredible. My gauge is in the red zone by 110 miles. Although it takes until about 140 miles to hit the E. However, I usually have about .8 to 1+ gal left when I fill up. My mileage is pretty consistent at 46.5 to 47 mpg for city/country riding. I'm not too hard on the bike. I'm installin a new front tire, and perhaps going to a shorter windshield this summer. Think that will help? Oh yeah, I'm working on a diet too... Scot '89 PC800 13,850 miles ------------ Jim Randall wrote: > > Dave, I'd say there's a very high probablity you have a > fuel leak. By removing the top shelf (the faux fuel tank) > you can see most of the fuel system. I'd look for cracked > hoses or maybe even a problem with the vacuum operated > fuel cock. BTW, I don't usually start looking for gas until > 170 miles. > > Jim Randall > jrandall@tricon.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: David B. Partington [SMTP:dave@partington.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 6:00 PM > To: 'pc800@hpc.uh.edu' > Subject: PC800: 1994 PC800 Gas Guzzler problem! > > > > Thanks Davep > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (IPAD 2.03) id 2956500 ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:06:43 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:03:02 -0500 From: Scot Piper To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Rifle height/color Does anyone have a picture of one of those color match Rifle windshields? I have an '89 with the Honda tall am reviewing options to getting a shorter one. Earlier I posted about buying a used Honda short, but I'd also consider outright selling my Honda tall to help finance a Rifle. The Honda tall is 29" high. I'm 5'9 and look right through it. It has excellent protection, and is nice for listening to the stereo, but I get tired of looking through the shield, especially at night. I believe the 25" Rifle would be best for me. But have never seen the color matching ones. Would be especially interested in seeing an '89 PC with a color match Rifle windshield. Thanks in advance. Scot '89 PC800 13,850 miles ----------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (IPAD 2.03) id 2957500 ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:12:52 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:09:10 -0500 From: Scot Piper To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: AMA - HRCA membership Hope I'm not clogging up the newsgroup with all these posts tonight, but I've really got bikes on my mind. I've been thinking about joining the AMA or HRCA (Honda Riders Club of America). What's the other one, HSTA??? What are the benefits of joining an organization? Scot '89 PC800 13,850 miles, and still holding. PS. I have an '84 Honda Shadow 500 in pristine condition if anyone is looking for a 2nd bike. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:44:26 -0500 From: Jeff Leech To: scotp1965@mdn.net CC: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: AMA - HRCA membership Scot, I belong to both HRCA and AMA. The benefits you can get from HRCA consist of roadside assistance (I have not had to use this, but it gives me a safety net on my long distance travels), trip planning (including maps), reimbursement of up to $75 for MSF Rider courses. Both give a magazine which has some interesting acticles and special VIP areas for motorcycle events such as races. I belong to AMA mostly to help promote motorcycling. While I may not agree with all of the positions that AMA takes, I know that they follow all issues related to motorcycling, both on and off road, and try to make sure we don't lose our rights. HSTA seems to be a good organization, and looks like a good way to meet others who enjoy our passion. Jeff Leech '94 PC-800 Centerville, OH Scot Piper wrote: > > Hope I'm not clogging up the newsgroup with all these posts tonight, but > I've really got bikes on my mind. I've been thinking about joining the > AMA or HRCA (Honda Riders Club of America). What's the other one, > HSTA??? What are the benefits of joining an organization? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:52:25 -0800 From: Alan Taylor To: scotp1965@mdn.net CC: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: AMA - HRCA membership Scot Piper wrote: > I've been thinking about joining the > AMA or HRCA (Honda Riders Club of America). What's the other one, > HSTA??? What are the benefits of joining an organization? Benefits vary with the organization. HRCA offers discounts at dealers, road and trip service and a key tag that can be returned to you if dropped in the mail. It is run by Honda, so you get a Honda ad disguised as a monthly magazine. AMA offers several discounts, and low cost insurance. They are the principle lobbyists for motorcycle rights, sponsor a number of M/C competitons and public events. HSTA is sport touring oriented, and local chapters offer monthly rides. they have an informative newsletter, with PC800 oriented ads and literature. As a member you get a member directory with a list of members who have volunteered to offer assistance to other members, such as phone, garage, tools etc. Personally, I belong to the AMA because i support their political work on our behalf, and the HSTA. I won't be renewing my HSTA membership, because I find that I'm no longer up to the kind of peg scraping rides they enjoy. In southern california there is a PC riders club which is extremely informal, but much closer to my casual riding style. > Alan Taylor 95 PC800 "Midnight"Long Beach, CA > > > > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: speerboy@juno.com by x14.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id XVY16149; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:17:42 EST To: tibbs@hpc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: 1994 PC800 Gas Guzzler problem! Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:17:42 EST Dear folks, Add me to the list of people who's needle is in the red around 110 miles. My '90 has a small (around 3.1 gal) tank right? I'm getting upwards of 45 mpg which is great considering how much fun I have riding! Hey, while I'm here does anyone know what brand replacement handgrips are long enough for my '90's stock bars? I bought some ProGrips and they were too short. Gary Smith speerboy@juno.com I'm a loser who spends far too much time indoors. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:35:17 EST To: scotp1965@mdn.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Re: PC800: AMA - HRCA membership Hi Scott, The HRCA is a great group to join for the towing service. There are many stories of folks whose asses have been saved by the towing service of the HRCA. If you wreck or break down ANYWHERE, they will come and get you and take you to the nearest Honda dealer. Your membership dues of $35 cover this. It's well worth it. The HSTA is a GREAT group. A bunch of folks who love to ride and don't care what you ride on or what you do. Very few rules. No politics. The nicest bunch of folks around. Subscribe to the HSTA list. check out the web page, www.ridehsta.com and let us know where you live. The HSTA has chapters all over the country and I'm sure that someone close to you will contact you.... TZ '94 PC800 Chicago In a message dated 3/10/98 9:20:54 PM Central Standard Time, scotp1965@mdn.net writes: << Hope I'm not clogging up the newsgroup with all these posts tonight, but I've really got bikes on my mind. I've been thinking about joining the AMA or HRCA (Honda Riders Club of America). What's the other one, HSTA??? What are the benefits of joining an organization? >> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "David B. Partington" To: "'speerboy@juno.com'" , "tibbs@hpc.uh.edu" Cc: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: RE: PC800: Re: 1994 PC800 Gas Guzzler problem! Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:09:34 -0700 Thanks to everyone who responded to my Gas Guzzler problem, As it would = turn out the Fuel petcock is leaking. Also Honda checked and the gas cap = is also bad. Dont worry this will be cheap.. I have a 50% off all parts = and labor for a year from my dealer. I bought my 1994 (Black) for = $4650.00 in mid Jan. Love the bike and really proud to be part of = dedicated PC800 rider... PS Gary S. You might want to check your petcock as well, normal range = for a PC800 is minimum 140 with a max around 190 miles per tank.... Take care davep -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:12:31 -0500 From: Jason To: speerboy@juno.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: 1994 PC800 Gas Guzzler problem! The tank is 4.2, I believe. The needle will drop pretty quickly early on. I usually am in the red with at least 80 miles left to go. I haven't done the "test" to see what my complete range is, other than mathematically. If I go about 180 I get a bit nervous. I figure I could go 210 or so based on a 52/mpg estimate. -Jason Grant pc800@ibm.net speerboy@juno.com wrote: > Dear folks, > Add me to the list of people who's needle is in the red around 110 miles. > My '90 has a small (around 3.1 gal) tank right? I'm getting upwards of > 45 mpg which is great considering how much fun I have riding! > Hey, while I'm here does anyone know what brand replacement handgrips are > long enough for my '90's stock bars? I bought some ProGrips and they > were too short. > Gary Smith > speerboy@juno.com > I'm a loser who spends far too much time indoors. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:04:01 -0800 (PST) From: John La Subject: PC800: Re: PC800 Gas Guzzler problem! To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I have never done better than 33MPG (which puts in in the gas station around 110 miles) unless it was all freeway, in which case I'm lucky to get 40mpg. I've ridden my '89 13,000 in the 2 years I've had it, and had it into the dealer 3x for normal servicing. I've had the "tank" plastic off for stereo install, but didn't notice a gas smell. (I wasn't looking for a leak) If it turns out to be a fuel leak, I'll be pleased to fix it, but I'll feel dumb for waiting 2 years. I've always blamed the poor mileage on: -California Emmisions requires a lot of choke in AM -3 miles to and from work, (x4... home for lunch) -Mostly stop & go driving -220+ pounds of Muscle, Brain, & Fat (not necessarily in that order) -Twisting my right hand more than absolutely necessary to get there. John ---"David B. Partington" wrote: > > I have a 1994 PC800 that runs great, one minor problem is the Bike EATS gas. I only get 110 miles on a full tank of Fuel. ----8<------ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:49:41 -0800 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: 1994 PC800 Gas Guzzler problem! speerboy@juno.com wrote: > > Dear folks, > Add me to the list of people who's needle is in the red around 110 miles. > My '90 has a small (around 3.1 gal) tank right? I'm getting upwards of > 45 mpg which is great considering how much fun I have riding! mmmm....Me too. I've notice the 'gas smell' thing a lot more lately, and plan on having it looked at. The PC tank is 4.1 gallons, I believe. I think a lot (regarding milage) has to do with your driving style. I regulary run the PC between 4000 and 5000 RMP for shifting and cruising...Just feels better up there...I'm sure if I was a little less heavy with the throttle hand, milage would improve :>) -- Dave Gross and Baron George Von Helldog www.halcyon.com/dkgross AOL Inst.Msg. 'dkgross' -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: AMA - HRCA membership Date: Wed, 11 Mar 98 12:23:34 -0600 From: "Paul B. Atkins" To: , "pc 800 list" >Benefits vary with the organization. HRCA offers discounts at dealers, road >and trip service and a key tag that can be returned to you if dropped in the >mail. It is run by Honda, so you get a Honda ad disguised as a monthly >magazine. Ain't that the truth!!!! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m3.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id NkH28904; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:25:54 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: scotp1965@mdn.net Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:25:00 -0800 Subject: Re: FW: PC800: 1994 PC800 Gas Guzzler problem!] From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy) Your mileage is normal, Scot. Do a little math. You (we) have a 4.2 gallon tank. At 46 mpg, that's 193 miles, so there's nothing icredible about looking for a station at 170. Richard Hardy >170 miles? That's incredible. My gauge is in the red zone by 110 >miles. Although it takes until about 140 miles to hit the E. >However, >I usually have about .8 to 1+ gal left when I fill up. My mileage is >pretty consistent at 46.5 to 47 mpg for city/country riding. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/971030) via SMTP id TAA06594 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:31:28 -0500 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'scotp1965@mdn.net'" Cc: "'PC800 List'" Subject: RE: PC800: AMA - HRCA membership Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:04:43 -0500 Scot, AMA publishes a pretty decent monthly magazine but most importantly they are a political action group which attempts to protect your right to ride by fighting unfair law enforcement practices and legislation. They recently fought through numerous appeals but ultimately lost a case against some small community in the mid-west which totally outlawed motorcycles. Also, some insurance companies (Progressive for one) will give AMA discounts. Their website is pretty interesting at http://www.ama-cycle.org/. Regular AMA membership is $29/year. HRCA has nice newsletters and some dealers will offer HRCA discounts on merchandise. They provide trip routing some special kinds of insurance and lots of information from Honda. One real neat thing is that they will reimburse up to $75 per year for MSF rider training. Website: http://www.hondamotorcycle.com/. Membership is $40/year. HSTA is pretty much a riders group - they have national and state newsletters (where there are state chapters) and there are a lots of organized and extemporaneous rides each year. They provide a printed membership directory and many members will provide emergency help to other members with problems. HSTA welcomes all kinds of riders and motorcycles but there appears to be a strong predominance of high-performance sport bikes and aggressive riders. Website: http://www.ridehsta.com/. Regular membership is $25/year. Also, a question for you. Is your Shadow a v-twin shaft drive? Jim Randall 95 Pacific Coast AMA, HSTA jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Scot Piper [SMTP:scotp1965@mdn.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 10:09 PM To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: AMA - HRCA membership Hope I'm not clogging up the newsgroup with all these posts tonight, but I've really got bikes on my mind. I've been thinking about joining the AMA or HRCA (Honda Riders Club of America). What's the other one, HSTA??? What are the benefits of joining an organization? Scot '89 PC800 13,850 miles, and still holding. PS. I have an '84 Honda Shadow 500 in pristine condition if anyone is looking for a 2nd bike. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/971030) via SMTP id TAA06611; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:31:41 -0500 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'speerboy@juno.com'" Cc: "'PC800 List'" Subject: RE: PC800: Re: 1994 PC800 Gas Guzzler problem! Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:11:55 -0500 4.2 gallons x 45mpg = 189 miles per tank. You can go a lot further than 110 miles before you fill. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: speerboy@juno.com [SMTP:speerboy@juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 11:18 PM To: tibbs@hpc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: 1994 PC800 Gas Guzzler problem! Dear folks, Add me to the list of people who's needle is in the red around 110 miles. My '90 has a small (around 3.1 gal) tank right? I'm getting upwards of 45 mpg which is great considering how much fun I have riding! Hey, while I'm here does anyone know what brand replacement handgrips are long enough for my '90's stock bars? I bought some ProGrips and they were too short. Gary Smith speerboy@juno.com I'm a loser who spends far too much time indoors. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Spain, Harrison" To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: PC800: Re: PC800 Gas Guzzler problem! Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:52:25 -0800 You and me both! My experience (and riding habits) are identical to yours :-). Harrison > -----Original Message----- > From: John La [SMTP:johnla@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 8:04 AM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: Re: PC800 Gas Guzzler problem! > > > I have never done better than 33MPG (which puts in in the gas station > around 110 miles) unless it was all freeway, in which case I'm lucky > to get 40mpg. I've ridden my '89 13,000 in the 2 years I've had it, > and had it into the dealer 3x for normal servicing. I've had the > "tank" plastic off for stereo install, but didn't notice a gas smell. > (I wasn't looking for a leak) > > If it turns out to be a fuel leak, I'll be pleased to fix it, but I'll > feel dumb for waiting 2 years. > > I've always blamed the poor mileage on: > -California Emmisions requires a lot of choke in AM > -3 miles to and from work, (x4... home for lunch) > -Mostly stop & go driving > -220+ pounds of Muscle, Brain, & Fat (not necessarily > in that order) > -Twisting my right hand more than absolutely necessary > to get there. > > John > > > > > ---"David B. Partington" wrote: > > > > I have a 1994 PC800 that runs great, one minor problem is the Bike > EATS gas. I only get 110 miles on a full tank of Fuel. > ----8<------ > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) 12 Mar 1998 04:22:37 +0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:20:01 -0600 From: Mike Ver Velde Subject: Re: PC800: Re: PC800 Gas Guzzler problem! To: "Spain, Harrison" , "'PC800 Mailing List'" I have an 89 with 24k miles. I can squeeze out at least 165 miles a tank. Most of my riding is 65 mile one way to work, and then back. Slow and go with the traffic and lane splitting... Similar mileage as my 90 that I totaled last year. Im 220 too... Mike V >You and me both! My experience (and riding habits) are identical to >yours :-). > >Harrison > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John La [SMTP:johnla@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 8:04 AM >> To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >> Subject: PC800: Re: PC800 Gas Guzzler problem! >> >> >> I have never done better than 33MPG (which puts in in the gas station >> around 110 miles) unless it was all freeway, in which case I'm lucky >> to get 40mpg. I've ridden my '89 13,000 in the 2 years I've had it, >> and had it into the dealer 3x for normal servicing. I've had the >> "tank" plastic off for stereo install, but didn't notice a gas smell. >> (I wasn't looking for a leak) >> >> If it turns out to be a fuel leak, I'll be pleased to fix it, but I'll >> feel dumb for waiting 2 years. >> >> I've always blamed the poor mileage on: >> -California Emmisions requires a lot of choke in AM >> -3 miles to and from work, (x4... home for lunch) >> -Mostly stop & go driving >> -220+ pounds of Muscle, Brain, & Fat (not necessarily >> in that order) >> -Twisting my right hand more than absolutely necessary >> to get there. >> >> John >> >> >> >> >> ---"David B. Partington" wrote: >> > >> > I have a 1994 PC800 that runs great, one minor problem is the Bike >> EATS gas. I only get 110 miles on a full tank of Fuel. >> ----8<------ >> >> _________________________________________________________ >> DO YOU YAHOO!? >> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> -- >> Visit the PC800 web page at >> To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >> a >> message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >> To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:39:55 -0600 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Richard A. Nadeau" Subject: PC800: New Member Greetings, I am a recent owner of a new 96 PC800. I bought it 2 weeks ago, fresh out of the crate with only 1 mile on it! I have a little over 800 miles on it now. I would have more but there is some nasty snow on the ground. Anyways, I just wanted to say Hi to ya'll. Richard Nadeau Nashville, Tennessee 1996 Red New, No Mod's Yet, but looking for a radio/Cb soon EMail = leakysneaker@mindspring.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 00:03:47 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: New Member Hi, Richard: Welcome to the list. I'm up in Clarksville; so, we are almost neighbors. JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m3.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id LbX14661; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:42:31 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: leakysneaker@mindspring.com Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:57:50 -0800 Subject: Re: PC800: New Member From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy) Welcome to the list, Richard. After you've had it awhile, please let us know your "new owner," unbiased impressions. Richard Hardy On Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:39:55 -0600 "Richard A. Nadeau" writes: >Greetings, > >I am a recent owner of a new 96 PC800. I bought it 2 weeks ago, fresh >out of >the crate with only 1 mile on it! I have a little over 800 miles on it >now. >I would have more but there is some nasty snow on the ground. >Anyways, I just wanted to say Hi to ya'll. > >Richard Nadeau >Nashville, Tennessee >1996 Red >New, No Mod's Yet, but looking for a radio/Cb soon >EMail = leakysneaker@mindspring.com > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Torrnado Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:35:09 EST To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: New Honda PC800 Owner I just bought a new '96 PC800 on March 7, 1998. American Honda had 140 or so new California-model 96s they wanted to get rid of so they were offered to dealers for a *confirmed* $5,041. Readers may want to know that a reasonable price to pay for shipping/delivery and set-up is more on the order of $175, rather than the $475-$1,000 I was told by salesman for the Southern California area. Further, I was able to buy mine for $400 over invoice, or $5,616. The only other thing I added was a tank bag. Aside from being nauseas and scared that I should've bought a less expensive bike (I really wanted the ST1100 at almost triple the price), I'm enjoying it more and more. It has about 370 miles on it now and the engine is starting to rev a little freer. It sounds too much like a Helix on steroids for my taste, but it's a great cruiser on the freeway. My bike came to me nearly flawless: the dealer didn't take the time to fit the body panels properly and I have to take it back to have them properly installed. I absolutely hate the color (red, of course) and have thought seriously about having it repainted black. I've also nearly dropped it 3 times and wonder if I'll escape the fate that has disheartened my contemporaries. (Maybe after I drop it, I'll repaint it!) Well, I'm going to add a throttle lock for cruising, cargo light, bag inserts and maybe a couple other little things and that'll be it! I'd love to have an intercom in my helmets, but they're so damned expensive. Incidentally, I had two very negative and unfortunate buying experiences at Honda of North Hollywood and Honda of Hollywood (both dealerships owned by Robertson & Sons, btw). I ended up buying at Bert's Motorcycles in Asuza, although I'm not too impressed with their handling either. Before I forget, I'd like to hear about riding excursions on the west coast. I'll be doing the Grand Canyon (my mother lives in Prescott) later this spring/early summer for my first time and hope to do Yellowstone as well. Take care, Torr Melling West Hollywood (Los Angeles), CA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:45:35 -0800 From: Phil Lewis To: success@advantage-life.com CC: "undisclosed-recipients:;"@concentric.net, PC800 Group Subject: PC800: Re: Successful People Only Please Hi There! I have a quick question for those of you who know a lot about the e-mail spam problem. The e-mail that I received below, was just addressed to "undisclosed-recipients:;". How the heck did this spam get sent to me without my address being used. Did anybody else get this message. It's not a long message and not a big deal; but I'm just curious as to how they do this. See Ya' later, Phil -- ************* *Phil Lewis * *'90 PC * *"Delta Red"* *So. Cal. * ************* ----------------------------------- success@advantage-life.com wrote: > Successful People Only Please: Non-profit foundation seeking > participants in creating great personal wealth and for self study > course taught by multimillionaire in how to have what always is > wanted. Required: prior success in some field, willingness to > learn, single minded focus for six-month project, Desire for the > freedom that personal wealth creates, and comfort in working with > large amounts of cash. > > Call toll free 888-722-1510 for a brief introduction 24 hrs. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: David Prather To: "'PC800 Group'" Subject: RE: PC800: Re: Successful People Only Please Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:02:33 -0800 Phil, I got that annoying message too. By the way, hello all! I'm new to the list having bought my '96 new from Honda of Milpitas. I've only got 200 miles on it so far, but I love this bike! I think I'll love it even more when I finish the 600 mile break-in and can exceed 4K RPM. BTW, I'm thinking of going on a ride or two with the HSTA in Nor Cal or with Honda of Milpitas Rider's Club soon. I'm not planning any modifications even though I'm 6'0 and I could benefit from the tall Rifle shield. I guess I just don't want to look through the shield. Bye for now. Dave Prather Salinas, CA >---------- >From: Phil Lewis[SMTP:pilewis1@concentric.net] >Sent: Thursday, March 12, 1998 9:45 AM >To: success@advantage-life.com >Cc: "undisclosed-recipients:;"@concentric.net; PC800 Group >Subject: PC800: Re: Successful People Only Please > >Hi There! > >I have a quick question for those of you who know a lot about the >e-mail spam problem. > >The e-mail that I received below, was just addressed to >"undisclosed-recipients:;". How the heck did this spam get sent to >me without my address being used. Did anybody else get this >message. It's not a long message and not a big deal; but I'm just >curious as to how they do this. > >See Ya' later, > >Phil > > >-- >************* >*Phil Lewis * >*'90 PC * >*"Delta Red"* >*So. Cal. * >************* >----------------------------------- > >success@advantage-life.com wrote: > >> Successful People Only Please: Non-profit foundation seeking >> participants in creating great personal wealth and for self study >> course taught by multimillionaire in how to have what always is >> wanted. Required: prior success in some field, willingness to >> learn, single minded focus for six-month project, Desire for the >> freedom that personal wealth creates, and comfort in working with >> large amounts of cash. >> >> Call toll free 888-722-1510 for a brief introduction 24 hrs. > > > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ernie.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA19400 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:59:40 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Re: Successful People Only Please Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:55:56 -0800 We should all call to tell them we are not interested. ;-) > -----Original Message----- > > > > Call toll free 888-722-1510 for a brief introduction 24 hrs. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:45:35 -0800 CC: "undisclosed-recipients:;"@concentric.net, PC800 Group Subject: PC800: Re: Successful People Only Please To: From: Phil Lewis Hi There! I have a quick question for those of you who know a lot about the e-mail spam problem. The e-mail that I received below, was just addressed to "undisclosed-recipients:;". How the heck did this spam get sent to me without my address being used. Did anybody else get this message. It's not a long message and not a big deal; but I'm just curious as to how they do this. See Ya' later, Phil -- ************* *Phil Lewis * *'90 PC * *"Delta Red"* *So. Cal. * ************* ----------------------------------- success@advantage-life.com wrote: > Successful People Only Please: Non-profit foundation seeking > participants in creating great personal wealth and for self study > course taught by multimillionaire in how to have what always is > wanted. Required: prior success in some field, willingness to > learn, single minded focus for six-month project, Desire for the > freedom that personal wealth creates, and comfort in working with > large amounts of cash. > > Call toll free 888-722-1510 for a brief introduction 24 hrs. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:14:19 -0800 From: Phil Lewis To: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Successful People Only Please I did call the number wanting to complain and it's just a tape recording. I tried their web site to send them a nasty e-mail and there is no reference. I, of course, tried a return to sender and it is "undeliverable!" I guess real spammers know how to be anonymous. Oh well, enough on this subject. It's going to be about 80 degrees again today! :) Time to ride!! Phil ----------------------------------- todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com wrote: > We should all call to tell them we are not interested. ;-) > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > Call toll free 888-722-1510 for a brief introduction 24 hrs. > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- ************* *Phil Lewis * *'90 PC * *"Delta Red"* *So. Cal. * ************* -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ernie.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA19663 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:28:55 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: FW: Suspension Systems Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:25:11 -0800 >From the R1100 list, a fascinating paper explaining several suspension systems. Todd Vierheller Blue '96 BMW R1100RTL, "Rain Dancer" 206-930-3110 (Work) 425-488-0851 (Home) vierhel@ibm.net (Home Office) Y2K Project Office Year 2000 -- Resistance is Futile > -----Original Message----- > An interesting discussion of motorcycle front suspension systems, > focusing on the > BMW Telelever and Yamaha RADD designs: > > http://www.mbnet.mb.ca/~neelin/motorcycle/kanai.html > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ernie.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA19367 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:55:40 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Pacific Coast vs. BMW R1100RT and others (Long) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:51:55 -0800 I was recently trying to decide between a Honda Pacific Coast and a Kawasaki Concours. (I totaled my '96 PC after 1 year and only 14,000 miles and needed a replacement.) I ended up buying a used BMW R1100RTL (which cost considerably more than either of the other two bikes by about $5000). This is a comparison between the PC800 and the R1100RTL (requested by a seasoned member of this list). At the end I included some statistics of several bikes including the Concours, the ST1100, the Valkyrie, and the Royal Star. What don't I like about the BMW: 1. The rims are apparently made of a soft alloy. Many people on the net have bent theirs on potholes. But many BMW owners tend to drive far in excess of the legal limit. Keeping the tires properly inflated (near the high end) solves this problem and gives better tire wear. 2. No running lights. (Isn't this incredible?) I purchased an after market kit to address this for both front and rear. 3. The radio is an abortion. 4. The stock windshield is just slightly too small (I sit tall in the saddle), and too thick to stick my SAENG strip on. What I like about the BMW: 1. It isn't so darn fat between my legs. I had a difficult time getting comfortable on the pegs and foot controls on the PC. I have narrow hips I guess. 2. The electric windshield that adjusts with a touch of the button. It changes height and angle on the fly easily while I am zooming along. 3. Anti-lock Braking System (I ride a lot in the rain and at night). [The ST1100 has ABS, but was literally too fat and heavy and tall.] 4. Generally ergonomically friendly 5. Low Rpm's at highway speeds Comfort/Ergonomics ---------------------------- I have short limbs but a long torso. On the PC800 I had to "reach" a little bit for the handle bars. The R1100RT is truly a "sit up" motorcycle. It is very comfortable. On the R1100RT I can work the brake, clutch, and turn signals at the same time. (They are located below the plane of the handgrip so the web of the thumb remains in contact with the grip.) My fingers could not reach far enough to do this safely on the PC800. The choke can also be operated with the left thumb (but is above the grip so I cannot use the clutch at the same time). The R1100RT came with a Corbin saddle, so I cannot comment on the original saddle. (I am 5' 10" with a 32.5 inch inseam.) Most used BMWs have a Corbin saddle. I don't know if that means the stock seat is particularly bad, or if the type of person who buys a BMW (long haul tourer) also buys Corbin saddles. (I have heard that the stock seats are not comfortable on long rides.) The seat in the PC800 is lower at 30.1 inches compared to 30.75/31.5/32.25 for the R1100RT. The extra 3/4 of an inch seat height coupled with the W-I-D-E Corbin saddle makes the PC800 have a much lower virtual seat height. In addition, the PC800 seat was smooth and flat while the Corbin saddle is textured and contoured; I cannot easily get the frost off of the Corbin saddle in the morning. This makes for a cold butt since my body heat has to melt that layer of ice. Brrrrrrr. I may have to start parking in my garage. (Although I have found an electric seat attachment for the bike at my BMW dealer!) Comfort/Ergonomics of Passenger ----------------------------------------------- My wife didn't feel secure on the PC800 just holding on to the grab bar (perhaps this reflects on my driving :-), so she had to lean forward to hold on to me. (I had to lean forward as noted above.) Leaning forward was kind of hard on her back. The alternative is that she put too much weight on me forcing me to push back. It wasn't comfortable. She likes the R1100RT better. She thinks I should get the back rest for the Corbin saddle. (The BMW trunk is too far back to use as a backrest.) My son (8) could not reach the foot pegs on the PC800. This gave him a less than comfortable ride. He can reach the pegs on the BMW just fine. He likes the R1100RT better. My son (4) likes the BMW too, although it may be illegal for him to ride it with me here in WA state. (And he didn't ride the PC800 -- I think he would like riding any motorcycle!) Windshield ---------------- The PC800 Hondaline Tall windshield with SAENG stripping gave better protection than the stock R1100RT windshield in its highest position (w/o the SAENG). (The SAENG edging does not work on the R1100RT because the stock windshield is over twice as thick as the PC800.) I like the fact that I can adjust the R1100RT windshield up and down (over 6 inches of travel) while I am moving; on the PC I used to have to stand on the pegs to catch a breeze. Generally I like riding behind a barn door, so overall I favored the protection of the PC800 extended coverage windshield with the SAENG stripping. (I wear a Shoei X-9 if that matters.) After I purchased the Aerolfow aftermarket shield (for $175 which is less than the $230 I paid for the Honda Xtra Coverage shield) things improved enormously. I can adjust the windshield to exactly the height I want now (while riding). And the Aeroflow windshield flares at the top to deflect the wind higher over the rider. I don't need the SAENG edging, because the little flare of the AeroFlow windshield flips the rain up over my head. The SAENG edging will fit on the AeroFlow if I ever decide to do so. The AeroFlow windshield expressly OKs the use of RainX. Handling/Steering Geometry -------------------------------------- My Pacific Coast had Metzler ML2's on it front to back that were nearly brand new when I dusted the bike. The BMW came with brand new Michelin Macadam X90 radials. I am not sure how the difference in tires changes the handling characteristics of the two bikes. Having said that, the steering seems more responsive on the R1100RT. I can more easily whip it into a turn. This is, of course, a subjective feeling rather than actual fact. The R1100RT feels more nimble. The BMW has a shorter wheelbase, and a steeper(?) rake. PC800 Wheelbase 61.2 inches R1100RT Wheelbase 58.4 inches PC800 Rake/Trail 28 degrees/4 inches R1100RT Rake/Trail 62.8 degrees/4.8 inches I really have no idea what these numbers mean in terms of actual performance. (Can anyone help me out here?) I know that on bicycles the more toward vertical the forks, the more responsive the steering. Smoothness ---------------- No contest here. The R1100RT has an intermittent vibration at idle. When revved (without moving) the bike tries to lean to the right due to the flywheel. The engine immediately smoothes out at 1500 RPM and above. The PC800, on the other hand, is as smooth as a baby's ... (you know) at any speed. The PC knows not vibration. Power/Acceleration -------------------------- No contest here either. The R1100RT continues to surprise me with its astounding acceleration on the freeway at all speeds. It does zero to 60 in 4.5 seconds. One of the things that surprised me about the PC800 was that my CM450E felt much snappier and quicker. (It may have been!) With the R1100RT, I know it is snappier and quicker than the PC800. I can bip the throttle at 70 mph and feel the sudden surge forward. The R1100RT does have kind of a sensitive throttle, however. It is easy to bip it without trying. And it really jumps when I do that! Quite unsafe before I got used to it. The BMW also jumps the front end to full extension when I get on the throttle _hard_. It is a little disconcerting. I thought the wheel was going to come off of the ground too the first time. (I am talking about a quick roll (snap) on while already moving.) Many of the BMW people like to ride in the triple digits. >From Motorcycle Consumer News, July 1997: "The PC's powerband won't appeal to sportbike riders, as it is incredibly boring. You might call this a 'casual touring' machine. What it lacks in top-end, it tries to compensate for with its even distribution and smooth delivery." For my purposes, the PC800 power curve met my needs about 99% of the time. When I appreciate the R1100RT is after I have stopped on the freeway to let someone use my phone and then I have to do zero to 60 (or 0 to 65-70) to get back into traffic. In that one instance, 4.5 seconds is markedly different than 6.09 seconds for getting from zero to 60 mph. Cruising RPM ------------------- The Pacific Coast cruised at about 4000 RPM (I think) at 60 miles per hour. I often tried to shift to a higher gear. There wasn't one. The BMW only turns about 3300 RPM at 60 miles per hour and feels as if it is just loping along. The PC800 could use a taller 5th gear, or perhaps a 6th gear overdrive. Top cruising speed for the R1100RT is about 125 mph and about 105 mph for the PC I think. The R1100RT is much more "at home" than the PC800 at higher speeds -- it was made to be ridden fast I think. Brakes --------- I can hear the R1100RT front brakes when I put them on. It is sort of like a very quiet hissing or rubbing noise. I never heard the brakes on the PC. If I lean forward I can see the brakes through the fairing on the BMW. I guess that accounts for being able to hear the noise. The brake lever has four positions for adjusting the reach on the R1100RT. I kind of like it, but it isn't really necessary. The rear brakes on the PC800 are drum brakes, which have a theoretical advantage in wet weather. The R1100RT has no dive when I hit the front brakes hard. I like that. The front suspension is kind of unique. I can use a brake lock on the R1100RT because there is no plastic covering the rotor. Hooray! ABS ------ This is one of the main reasons I went with the BMW over the Pacific Coast (or the Concours). At least half of my riding is in the rain or in the dark or both. The only problem I have with ABS is that it takes longer to stop on dry pavement (it is too conservative), and it requires a full charge on the battery to set properly. That means I often have to start my bike twice. One to start it (which on a cold morning drops the voltage too low for the ABS to set) and then again (it starts on the first turn) to set the ABS. (The ABS requires 12.6 volts). Kickstand Cutoff ----------------------- Another no brainer. The Pacific Coast wins this one hands down. The idiots at BMW cut the engine (and the lights) when you put the kick stand down. On the Pacific Coast, this is not a problem if you are in Neutral. I like to put the kick stand down and then turn off the bike. This is not an option on the R1100RT. Neither can you start the bike while it is on the kick stand to give it a second to warm up while you pack the trunk. The BMW center stand does not share this deficiency, but I prefer to use the side stand. Turn Signals ------------------ As noted above, the ergonomics of the turn signal switches favor the R1100RT. However, I think one of the features of the PC800 that places it far ahead of other bikes is the BIG turn signals (and BIG brakelights). The turn signals of the Pacific Coast are clearly seen from just about anywhere. The self-canceling turn signals are a nice feature of the PC800 as well. I thought it was a crying shame that they removed this feature from the 97 model. Although I found they often didn't stay on as long as I would like when on the freeway. I had to turn them on two or more times when exiting, or if crossing multiple lanes when entering and crossing into the HOV lane. Front Running Lights ----------------------------- The PC800 has them, the R1100RT doesn't. My 1982 Honda CM450E had running lights! I will add the after market front and rear running lights, and a HotShot (or something similar) for the back to make the brake more visible. Head Light Flash ----------------------- The R1100RT does have a special "flash" switch much like a car. Who cares? The Honda (any Honda) had the capability to turn the headlight off while moving by hitting the starter button. I found this very handy to let trucks and busses know that they could safely change lanes in front of me. I don't think the R1100RT has this capability. Four Way Flashers ------------------------- The R1100RT does have a four-way flasher (emergency flashers), but with the close proximity of the back two turn signals I don't think it buys that much. Clock -------- I love being able to know what time it is. This was a problem on the PC800 unless I was driving by a time and temp display on a building (I know where they all are). The 24 hour clock is wonderful on the R1100RT. (I have no idea if it can switch to 12 hour time because I prefer 24 hour time and it was set correctly when I got it.) This is really a big deal for me. I can always tell what time it is day or night with just a glance. Gear Indicator ------------------- Another nice (but unnecessary) feature. I like it, and use it, but I got by without it for about 80,000 miles. I like knowing exactly what gear I am in all of the time. This is mostly a curiosity factor as the tack and "feel" of the motorcycle tell me whether to shift up or down. Gas Indicator ------------------ About equal here. The BMW has a low fuel warning light on the dash in addition to the gauge. The BMW owner's manual also warns against running the tank dry because it might damage the catalytic converter or perhaps the fuel pump which is lubricated and cooled by gasoline. I like to do this a few times with every bike to get a feel for how far (in miles) I can go on a tank. I then use my odometer as my gas gauge. The PC800 tends to be a little extreme in reporting how much gas you have used. The BMW gauge seems to be a little more even handed. Gas Capacity ------------------ The BMW holds more gas and has a longer riding time between fillups. That is a particularly important feature for me. I thought the Pacific Coast should have held at least two more gallons. I don't even think about filling up the BMW until 225 miles. The idiot light comes on at about 225. I have about 40 miles left to find a gas station when this happens. I was lucky to get over 200 with the PC800 (210-220 was the absolute max.), and I could run out as early as 189. So I generally filled up at around the 160 mark. The BMW specifies PREMIUM gasoline. The Pacific Coast ran great on whatever cheap garbage regular I put into it. Since they have about equal gas mileage, this translates into a considerable savings on the Pacific Coast. I am told by other BMW owners that regular works just fine n their machines. I am currently running regular in the BMW without problems and I will probably continue to do so. Rear View Mirrors ------------------------ This is typical Honda vs. BMW. The BMW has the standard snap off mirrors. I snapped one off and one the other day it is quite easy. (Actually I tried to drive away with the Kryptonite disk lock on the front disk!) Honda went a step further. The PC800 is specifically designed to clear the mirrors of fogging by running a stream of air over them. It is a small thing, but here in the Pacific Northwest Rainforest it is a very nice small thing. The Honda ST1100 also has this feature -- look at the little tunnel running inside of the mirrors. The BMW does run heated air over the mirrors after the bike warms up -- it comes off of the oil radiator. I think it is easier to snap the BMW mirrors back on. ;-) Taillight Visibility ----------------------- The BMW has a small taillight. (Nothing compares the Pacific Coast in this area except the Luxo-tourers.) I think this is one of the best features of the PC800. When you hit the brakes, people know it. I love the PC taillight. Always have. Always will. It is superior. Heated Handgrips ------------------------- Possibly an option on the R1100RTL, I think. They have two settings, low and high, which both put quite a bit of heat right through my gloves (Tour Master winter gloves). It doesn't get very cold here in Seattle, so this is of limited usefulness. But I am growing to like it on days when it is in the thirties. (What a sissy I am becoming!) Cruise Control -------------------- This may have been an option. I don't use it. There is a stainless steel wheel that turns up snug against the throttle. The whole assembly is where the handlebar weight ought to be. It could be good for the wide open highways, but in rush hour commuting cruise control isn't a great idea. Radio/Cassette Deck ---------------------------- I think the radio lacks power, but it is difficult to tell because the speakers are so bad. (Translation: it is garbage.) The ignition noise comes through loud and clear! I can listen to a cassette tape or the radio when I wash the bike. I will get this fixed (new speakers, amplifier, filter, and ear plug jack), because I like listening to something now and again. The controls are dual, either on the radio, or controlled by the left hand (seek up or down, volume). The radio has an interesting feature. If you remove it, or cut power to it, it will not play again until the secret code is punched in. Every radio has its own code. This is designed to stop theft, but I can't imagine anybody stealing the hunk of garbage. Power Outlets ------------------- The R1100RT has a power outlet on the dash for plugging in an electric vest. There is another for the passenger on the left side below the passenger seat. This could be handy, but I don't really have a need for them. Storage Space ------------------- The BMW has more space, but I found the trunk on the PC easier to pack and use. Also, the PC800 space is divided into two compartments, while the BMW is divided into three. I believe the top trunk on the BMW is a $500 option. (The side bags cost about $650 but they are standard equipment I think.) One convenient feature of the Pacific Coast is that the Aerostitch large couriers bag fits perfectly into the trunk. When I arrive at my destination I just pull out my courier bag and go. An additional advantage is that if I suddenly need more trunk space, I can sling the courier bag over my shoulder and put whatever into the trunk where the courier bag used to be. Engine Torque Curves of each bike (from consumer news -- I estimated the numbers from a graph) [Best viewed using courier or some other equal spaced font] ---------------------------------------------- Engine TORQUE RPM PC800 R1100RT 1500 10 NA 2000 33 NA 2500 41 NA 3000 40 54 3500 41 56 4000 40 55 4500 40 57 5000 41 62 5500 41 65 6000 39 61 6500 37 59 7000 33 59 7500 29 53 You can see that the PC800 torque curve is virtually flat all the way from 2500 to 6000. Can you say SMOOOOOTH? General Statistics ----------------------- PC800 R1100RT Wet Weight 620lbs 622lbs Load Capacity 360lbs 458lbs The BMW will carry almost 100 pounds more! GVWR 988lbs 1080lbs cc 800cc 1085cc Bore/Stroke 79.5 x 80.6mm 99.0 x 70.5mm Valves 3 4 Comp. Ratio 9.0:1 10.7:1 Carb 2 x 36mm Keihm Bosch Motronic Fuel Injection Ground Clear 5.5 " 6 " Rake/Trail 28deg/4" 62.8deg/4.8" Front Tire 120/80-17 120/70R17 Rear Tire 140/80-15 160/60R18 Performance Statistics ------------------------------ Below are some figures from the best motorcycle magazine of them all, Motorcycle Consumer News. The power-to-weight ratio is the only number not self evident. A Honda 250 rebel has a power/weight ratio of 1:19.88 while the CBR900RR's is 1:3.92. Prior to my purchase of a replacement motorcycle, I poured over back copies of MCN as well as Rider. Naturally I give more weight to MCN--not just because the tests are better measured and more thorough, but because they do not depend upon advertising and can call garbage as they see it. I included several bikes popular with this group as well as the Pacific Coast and the R1100RT. The real surprise to me was the performance of the Valkyrie. Zounds! It weighs less than the ST1100 and the Royal Star! It out performs both of them in every category except fuel economy! ( I included the Royal Star only because someone on this list is quite enamored with it[DG].) Notice that the Honda Pacific Coast (PC800), the BMW R1100RT, and the Concours are all within a few pounds of each other. The PC800 however has 197cc less than the Concours (997cc) and 285cc less than the R1100RT (1085cc). Clearly the Concours is the sport winner, while the PC800 is more interested in smoothness (see the torque chart compare of the PC800 and the R1100RT). As we all know, however, performance isn't the only story or we would all own race replicas and ride in the shape of pretzels. ;-) Even with (or because of) ABS, the R1100RT has the worst braking distance of the bunch. The mammoth Valkyrie has the best! The PC800 is in second place, leading every other bike listed here except the Valkyrie. I grouped the results into two weight categories (600 and 700 lbs.), each sorted by increasing performance. [The tables should be in courier font for best viewing.] HP Torque Wet Wt. Fuel Top Motorcycle lb-ft Lbs mpg Speed ============================================== PC800 45.6 41.0 620 49.3 108 R1100RT 79.3 65.6 622 45.0 125 Concours 88.4 63.3 618 34.9 126 ----------------------------------------------- Royal Star 60.0 67.0 755 47.0 102 ST1100 ABSII 88.3 70.9 726 38.0 132 Valkyrie 100 102.3 721 37.3 131 0-60 1/4 M 1/4M 60-0 Power/Weight Motorcycle secs secs Mph Feet Ratio ================================================ PC800 6.09 14.36 84.10 114.9 1:13.60 R100RT 4.5 12.66 104.66 130.7 1: 7.84 Concours 3.85 12.10 108.06 125.7 1: 6.99 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Royal Star 5.55 14.65 85.97 128.6 1:12.58 ST1100 ABSII 4.38 12.47 107.90 120.2 1: 8.22 Valkyrie 3.86 12.02 110.70 107.4 1: 7.06 Statistics taken from the Motorcycle Consumer News, February 1997 Edition. To subscribe, call 800 365-4421. Or write Motorcycle Consumer News P.O Box 55661 Boulder, CO 80322-5661 Rates are currently 1 year $29, 2 years $43. (And worth every penny!) BOTTOM LINE: There is no "best" motorcycle. My riding preferences (the type of riding I do) and my body measurements along with my "features list" caused me to purchase a BMW R1100RT, while others have opted for the ST1100, or something else entirely. I still think the Pacific Coast is a nearly perfect motorcycle. However, the R1100RT fits my body better, and has ABS. Todd Vierheller Blue '96 BMW R1100RTL, "Rain Dancer" 206-930-3110 (Work) 425-488-0851 (Home) vierhel@ibm.net (Home Office) Y2K Project Office Year 2000 -- Resistance is Futile -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:25:31 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Doug Subject: PC800: Comparison I was recently trying to decide between a Honda Pacific Coast and a Kawasaki Concours. (I totaled my '96 PC after 1 year and only 14,000 miles and needed a replacement.) I ended up buying a used BMW R1100RTL (which cost considerably more than either of the other two bikes by about $5000). This is a comparison between the PC800 and the R1100RTL (requested by a seasoned member of this list). At the end I included some statistics of several bikes including the Concours, the ST1100, the Valkyrie, and the Royal Star. Reply: I must, out of shear jealousy, complement you on this article, as I am looking for a PC as we speak I cannot tell u how much your comments have helped. I am sure very few will read this and not learn something..Thanks for taking the time and effort.. Doug -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Mail SMTP Gateway 3.0 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu); Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:25:15 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Turner, Andrew R (Andy)" To: "'PC800 Group'" Subject: RE: PC800: New member on the list Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:26:00 -0600 Would all you guys in the USA please go easy on us English folk when you tell the list how cheaply you are buying your PC800's as we have to pay approx $11,000 for one without any warranty.......? > ---------- > From: David Prather[SMTP:dprather@clarify.com] > Sent: 12 March 1998 18:02 > To: 'PC800 Group' > Subject: RE: PC800: Re: Successful People Only Please > > Phil, > > I got that annoying message too. By the way, hello all! I'm new to the > list having bought my '96 new from Honda of Milpitas. > I've only got 200 miles on it so far, but I love this bike! I think I'll > love it even more when I finish the 600 mile break-in and can exceed 4K > RPM. BTW, I'm thinking of going on a ride or two with the HSTA in Nor > Cal or with Honda of Milpitas Rider's Club soon. I'm not planning any > modifications even though I'm 6'0 and I could benefit from the tall > Rifle shield. I guess I just don't want to look through the shield. > > Bye for now. > Dave Prather > Salinas, CA > > > >---------- > >From: Phil Lewis[SMTP:pilewis1@concentric.net] > >Sent: Thursday, March 12, 1998 9:45 AM > >To: success@advantage-life.com > >Cc: "undisclosed-recipients:;"@concentric.net; PC800 Group > >Subject: PC800: Re: Successful People Only Please > > > >Hi There! > > > >I have a quick question for those of you who know a lot about the > >e-mail spam problem. > > > >The e-mail that I received below, was just addressed to > >"undisclosed-recipients:;". How the heck did this spam get sent to > >me without my address being used. Did anybody else get this > >message. It's not a long message and not a big deal; but I'm just > >curious as to how they do this. > > > >See Ya' later, > > > >Phil > > > > > >-- > >************* > >*Phil Lewis * > >*'90 PC * > >*"Delta Red"* > >*So. Cal. * > >************* > >----------------------------------- > > > >success@advantage-life.com wrote: > > > >> Successful People Only Please: Non-profit foundation seeking > >> participants in creating great personal wealth and for self study > >> course taught by multimillionaire in how to have what always is > >> wanted. 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To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:58:02 -0500 To: "Turner, Andrew R (Andy)" , "'PC800 Group'" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: RE: PC800: New member on the list At 2:26 PM -0600 3/12/98, Turner, Andrew R (Andy) wrote: >Would all you guys in the USA please go easy on us English folk when you >tell the list how cheaply you are buying your PC800's as we have to pay >approx $11,000 for one without any warranty.......? > >> ---Andy Geez Andy! That's quite the difference in price. Have you ever looked at importing one directly yourself, instead of going through a Honda dealer? I live in Canada, where the PC800 has not been sold since the 1990 model year, and I imported a 95 last year. Once I had paid the price of the bike, taxes, import duties, inspection fees, etc., I still feel like it was a deal. You might want to consider looking into it. Another option is that someone from this list who would like to tour Europe on a PC800 could ship one there, drive it around, then sell it to you before returning. Anyone on this list thinking about touring Europe this summer? fsl :- ) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Mail SMTP Gateway 3.0 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu); Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:01:54 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Turner, Andrew R (Andy)" To: "'PC800 Group'" , "'Francois Saint Laurent'" Subject: RE: PC800: New member on the list Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:02:44 -0600 I was thinking of importing one from the States tied in with a riding holiday but havn't taken it any further as yet. I a Mootorcycle maintenance magazine this month there was an article about importing bikes privately into the UK and it has put me off a bit as its seems to be a lot of hassle and Taxes but I'm still thinking about it. regards Andy R Turner Tartan Alpha ext 327 E-Mail: Turnear@Texaco.com (Work) AndyRTurner@Compuserve.Com (Home) \\\\\\ ////// (.) (.) | ____o00___00o____ | | | | | | | | | | > > > >> ---Andy > > > > Geez Andy! That's quite the difference in price. Have you ever looked at > importing one directly yourself, instead of going through a Honda dealer? > I live in Canada, where the PC800 has not been sold since the 1990 model > year, and I imported a 95 last year. Once I had paid the price of the > bike, > taxes, import duties, inspection fees, etc., I still feel like it was a > deal. > > You might want to consider looking into it. > > Another option is that someone from this list who would like to tour > Europe > on a PC800 could ship one there, drive it around, then sell it to you > before returning. Anyone on this list thinking about touring Europe this > summer? > > fsl :- ) > > (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) > > Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 > Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda > > HSTA Member Number 7470 > > (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ernie.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA20909; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:07:45 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: di9731@vci.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Comparison (Problems with the PC800) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:04:00 -0800 Since you are looking for a PC, let me add some of the problems of the PC you need to watch out for: It has self adjusting hydraulic valves. You will never have the satisfaction of regularly adjusting the valves of your beloved motorcycle. Instead you will be forced to spend the time riding it and thus shortening its total life. The superior BMW has the nifty lock-nut and nut adjustable valves to provide many happy memories of using a feeler gauge and feeling like a mechanic. Unlike the fabulous BMW R1100RT there is very little exposed "motorcycle stuff" showing. That means you will never have the satisfaction of spending many loving hours trying to clean every little nook and cranny of the exposed "motorcycle stuff". You will have to kill more time riding. Due to the already low seat height of the PC and the comfortable broad saddle, you will also miss the joy that seems universal amongst BMW owners of buying an aftermarket seat. I'm sorry. The large expansive brake light makes a tail light modulator almost superfluous, so you will also miss the ecstasy of comparing all the different makes and models and designs of units to help make your tail light more than invisible. The clearly better BMW allows me this satisfaction. You will also not share in the satisfaction that comes from purchasing engine guards and admiring them (to justify the money you spent) because the idiots at Honda designed them right into the PC both front and back! Likewise you will not enjoy picking out a trunk and shelling out hundreds of dollars so you can carry something with you. And you will not enjoy the new found instability that sometimes accompanies a truck that carries the weight a little high and to the rear. My apologies for focusing on all of these short comings of the PC800, but I felt I had to warn you. Now you better understand why I shelled out the extra money in order to buy the fantastic Motorad. I wanted the full experience! (I tried to be gentle with you.) Todd Vierheller Blue '96 BMW R1100RTL, "Rain Dancer" 206-930-3110 (Work) 425-488-0851 (Home) vierhel@ibm.net (Home Office) Y2K Project Office Year 2000 -- Resistance is Futile > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug [SMTP:di9731@vci.net] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: bgarden@ibm.net Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 16:15:23 -0500 To: "David B. Partington" CC: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: Re: PC800: 1994 PC800 Gas Guzzler problem! What is the PC800 miles it is standard to get? I get about 112 Miles to the Tank. Mike PC800 '94 with 13002 GREAT miles. David B. Partington wrote: > I have a 1994 PC800 that runs great, one minor problem is the Bike EATS gas. I only get 110 miles on a full tank of Fuel. I talk to the dealer and he said maybe the air ems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ----( SNIP)---- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469 Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:53:18 EST To: Torrnado@aol.com, PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: New Honda PC800 Owner Your experience is very similar to mine. A couple of years ago I had made up my mind to purchase a ST1100, but a few days before I was going to buy the bike I saw an add in the Sunday Paper for a 94 PC with 1,900 miles on the odometer. The bike was offered at $4,000. I drove out to the individual who had the machine for sale, and bought the bike for $3,500. I had every intention of trading the PC for a ST1100 by the week-end. By the time I got the PC home, I thought I might wait a week or two before I traded. That was 37,000 miles ago. My PC is now equipped with a Corbin Saddle, Rifle Wind Screen, GiVi Top Case, bag inserts and a Throttle Meister. I like its color, black. Good luck. Bernie. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/971030) via SMTP id SAA03836 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:45:46 -0500 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: FW: PC800: New member on the list Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:46:23 -0500 For that matter some of you English chaps might consider taking a holiday in the Colonies. Buy yourself a PC while you're here and then ship it home. Bet you'd still 'ave a few shillings left over to buy a pint or two at the local pub! Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Francois Saint Laurent [SMTP:fsl@borgconsulting.com] Sent: Thursday, March 12, 1998 3:58 PM To: Turner, Andrew R (Andy); 'PC800 Group' Subject: RE: PC800: New member on the list At 2:26 PM -0600 3/12/98, Turner, Andrew R (Andy) wrote: >Would all you guys in the USA please go easy on us English folk when you >tell the list how cheaply you are buying your PC800's as we have to pay >approx $11,000 for one without any warranty.......? > >> ---Andy Geez Andy! That's quite the difference in price. Have you ever looked at importing one directly yourself, instead of going through a Honda dealer? I live in Canada, where the PC800 has not been sold since the 1990 model year, and I imported a 95 last year. Once I had paid the price of the bike, taxes, import duties, inspection fees, etc., I still feel like it was a deal. You might want to consider looking into it. Another option is that someone from this list who would like to tour Europe on a PC800 could ship one there, drive it around, then sell it to you before returning. Anyone on this list thinking about touring Europe this summer? fsl :- ) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/971030) via SMTP id TAA04735 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:02:00 -0500 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: FW: PC800: FW: Suspension Systems Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:03:28 -0500 Interesting article. I particularly like this quote in reference to lack of commercial success of more modern designs, "Yet it is telling that a significant portion of motorcyclists currently desire technology from the early part of this century in the form of pushrod engines and dated designs." Of course, if all that modern technology were hidden under plastic like the PC (or for that matter, sheet metal like a car), I suppose we _could_ be a more progressive lot. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com [SMTP:todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com] Sent: Thursday, March 12, 1998 1:25 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: FW: Suspension Systems >From the R1100 list, a fascinating paper explaining several suspension systems. Todd Vierheller Blue '96 BMW R1100RTL, "Rain Dancer" 206-930-3110 (Work) 425-488-0851 (Home) vierhel@ibm.net (Home Office) Y2K Project Office Year 2000 -- Resistance is Futile > -----Original Message----- > An interesting discussion of motorcycle front suspension systems, > focusing on the > BMW Telelever and Yamaha RADD designs: > > http://www.mbnet.mb.ca/~neelin/motorcycle/kanai.html > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 283; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:09:47 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Douglas Ford" To: Cc: "PC800 Group" Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Successful People Only Please Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:10:48 -0500 Phil, Technically speaking, the "undisclosed-recipients" address is a mask for addressing.....duhh, u already knew that right? But what it MEANS is everyone on the list (every person added to the BCC: field who received the email) was BCC'd (blind carbon copied) a copy of the email. BCC'ing will allow for the recipients to not know who the email actually went to, in addition to themselves. ( <--- "themselves", is that a word?...brain-fart tonight and too lazy to use spell checker) What you see in the To: field varies, depending on the messaging server. With Netscape Messaging Server, you see exactly what you see below. I'm not sure about Exchange Server or any of the 1000 gabajillion other email servers out there. --Doug Ford '97 PC800, 2400miles -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Phil Lewis To: success@advantage-life.com Cc: "undisclosed-recipients:;"@concentric.net <"undisclosed-recipients:;"@concentric.net>; PC800 Group Date: Thursday, March 12, 1998 12:48 PM Subject: PC800: Re: Successful People Only Please |Hi There! | |I have a quick question for those of you who know a lot about the |e-mail spam problem. | |The e-mail that I received below, was just addressed to |"undisclosed-recipients:;". How the heck did this spam get sent to |me without my address being used. Did anybody else get this |message. It's not a long message and not a big deal; but I'm just |curious as to how they do this. | |See Ya' later, | |Phil | | |-- |************* |*Phil Lewis * |*'90 PC * |*"Delta Red"* |*So. Cal. * |************* |----------------------------------- | |success@advantage-life.com wrote: | |> Successful People Only Please: Non-profit foundation seeking |> participants in creating great personal wealth and for self study |> course taught by multimillionaire in how to have what always is |> wanted. Required: prior success in some field, willingness to |> learn, single minded focus for six-month project, Desire for the |> freedom that personal wealth creates, and comfort in working with |> large amounts of cash. |> |> Call toll free 888-722-1510 for a brief introduction 24 hrs. | | | | |-- |Visit the PC800 web page at |To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a |message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. |To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. | -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (IPAD 2.03) id 4344300 ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 21:34:18 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:46:22 -0500 From: Scot Piper To: Jim Randall CC: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: 1994 PC800 Gas Guzzler problem! OK, but realistically, how low can you run the PC800 tank before you run out? If it's designed like the "reserve" on other tanks, then you should be able to get just about every drop in the tank (including all the crud on the bottom of the tank). Strange Honda did not design a larger tank, or at least a reserve. :-( Scot '89 PC800 --------- Jim Randall wrote: > > 4.2 gallons x 45mpg = 189 miles per tank. You can go a lot further > than 110 miles before you fill. > > Jim Randall > jrandall@tricon.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: speerboy@juno.com [SMTP:speerboy@juno.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 11:18 PM > To: tibbs@hpc.uh.edu > Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: Re: 1994 PC800 Gas Guzzler problem! > > Dear folks, > Add me to the list of people who's needle is in the red around 110 miles. > My '90 has a small (around 3.1 gal) tank right? I'm getting upwards of > 45 mpg which is great considering how much fun I have riding! > Hey, while I'm here does anyone know what brand replacement handgrips are > long enough for my '90's stock bars? I bought some ProGrips and they > were too short. > Gary Smith > speerboy@juno.com > I'm a loser who spends far too much time indoors. > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 21:02:04 -0800 To: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Greg Chambers Subject: RE: PC800: Re: Successful People Only Please If you call an 888 number, they will then have your phone number, and you will be hounded mercilessly as a "known sucker"! At 09:55 AM 3/12/98 -0800, todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com wrote: >We should all call to tell them we are not interested. ;-) > >> -----Original Message----- > >> > >> > Call toll free 888-722-1510 for a brief introduction 24 hrs. >> >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 22:24:57 -0800 From: Phil Lewis To: Greg Chambers CC: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Successful People Only Please I called the number but I have call blocking!! Anyway, it was just a recording!! :( Phil Greg Chambers wrote: > If you call an 888 number, they will then have your phone number, and you > will be hounded mercilessly as a "known sucker"! > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Thu, 12 Mar 1998 21:17:47 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Will Brown" To: Subject: PC800: My first bike--a true story Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 00:17:56 -0500 Note to reader: This is a long and self-indulgent story. It didn't start out this way, but my fingers just kept going. Please forgive me. On June 3, 1997, my beloved 34 year old wife, Patricia, died after a long battle with cancer. I could write forever about her, but suffice to say that the feeling you get when your significant other puts their arms around your waist on the back of a bike is something you should never take for granted. I have always wanted a motorcycle. Between refusals from my parents when I was young and my wife's objections, it just never happened. One day last fall after talking to a good friend who rides, the seduction began. He rides a VFR and talked endlessly about how much fun it was. Having absolutely no resistance to temptation and no one left to curb my impulsive nature, I decided that the time had finally come. Decision made to buy, the question became, what to buy? At first I was going to buy a cruiser. I bounced around from the Magna to the Vulcan and eventually looked at most of the non-Harley Harleys from 500 to 800cc. However, in addition to dreaming of touring with friends, I also wanted to commute (70 windy miles per day). I came to realize that even with a windshield, these bikes just weren't meant for this kind of riding. Maintenance was also a concern because I knew nothing about bike upkeep. Putting all of this thinking together my research began to steer me straight for the PC. On December 31 I went with my VFR buddy back down (drool cup in hand) to my local Honda dealer. To that point I had been to the dealership several times but had never even glanced at a PC. There it was, perched on the center-stand. Sitting on it, I knew I was home. Okay, okay, I didn't know squat. I had never as much as started a motorcycle before. But, for the first time, I felt like my decision to buy a bike wasn't just a mindless mourning obsession. We left the dealership and went by a local convenience store to pick up one of those local shopper newspapers that specializes in motorcycles. After thumbing through page after page of ads I found a lone PC. My original plan had been to buy a '94 or '95 if I could find one. Well, as fate would have it, the one featured in the paper was a '97 with 3500 miles. Because I had done some cursory inquiring at the dealership, I knew about what a new '97 would cost. Here was a bike $2000 less than the new one I had just sat upon. It was already Corbin leather saddled and accessorized (bra, cover, cell-phone hookup, running lights, clock). I went to see the bike January 5 ready to haggle-- took one thorough look at it-- handed the man his asking price in cash. I took my VFR friend with me to purchase the bike, not for moral support or guidance, but so that I could get the bike home. I work second shift and decided that the mornings of the next week I would get insurance, title, and my learner's permit. Monday I called my State Farm agent and inquired about insurance. No problem except that he insisted on seeing the bike and taking pictures THAT WEEK--and his office is 30 miles away from my home--AND I CAN'T RIDE! Now, I am not a complete moron and I had done a great deal of reading on "how to ride." So, knowing that by Friday I had to take an interstate trip to see my agent, I took a progressive approach. Monday was spent rolling the bike out of the garage and down the driveway and then driving up the hill and into the garage. In an hour I choked down probably 15 times and almost dropped the bike twice. Tuesday I drove my car down to the DMV and got my permit. The "driveway maneuver" mastered, I then rode around the block about 50 times on the PC. My retired neighbors must have thought I was crazy as I turned lap after lap. Wednesday I ventured out of the neighborhood and onto the secondary roads around my subdivision. Thursday I drove a little farther, even getting on a four lane highway for a couple of miles. Friday dawned 35 degrees F and windy and I had to make the dreaded ride. Have you ever tried to fasten your helmet strap with your heart lodged firmly in your throat? It isn't easy. At times the wind on I-77 felt like it was blowing 50mph. Now, though, I realize it was just me. The trip was uneventful except that I discovered my gloves might as well have been fingerless as my hands were blue by the time I arrived. From the insurance company I went straight to work. Friday is a short day and I get off at 5:30pm. None of my friends at work knew I had bought a bike and when they found out that I had and was going to make a trip home at rush hour, they threatened to take my keys. Ever been on I-77 at 5:30pm on a Friday on a bike for the first time? Having taken the MSF course recently I now realize how utterly idiotic I was that day. However, the Lord was with me and I made it home without incident. Soiled underwear isn't an incident, is it? After looking through the bulk of this mailing list, I have concluded that my choice of the PC800 as a first bike could be either incredibly foolish or incredibly wise. So far I have absolutely no regrets. In three months, I have ridden approximately 1100 fantastic miles. Everyone I know (except the Harley guys) love the way the PC looks and marvel at the trunk. Having no other experience for comparison, I can't say how this motorcycle compares to others, but I simply cannot smile any bigger than when I am riding. God bless all you riders, whatever you mount and wherever you go. Will Brown Lexington, SC 1997 "Whore Red" PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 22:54:23 -0800 From: Phil Lewis To: Will Brown CC: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: My first bike--a true story Will Brown wrote: > I simply cannot smile any bigger than when I am riding. > > God bless all you riders, whatever you mount and wherever you go. > > Will Brown > Lexington, SC > 1997 "Whore Red" PC800 ---------------------------- Hi Will! I'm saddened about your loss, but very happy that you found your "smile!" May God bless you with many more happy times and many more rides to smile about. Take care, Phil -- ************* *Phil Lewis * *'90 PC * *"Delta Red"* *So. Cal. * ************* -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "HPCE Gerard" To: "Turner, Andrew R (Andy)" , "'PC800 Group'" Subject: Re: PC800: New member on the list Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:18:54 +0100 > Would all you guys in the USA please go easy on us English folk when you > tell the list how cheaply you are buying your PC800's as we have to pay > approx $11,000 for one without any warranty.......? Well sayd Andrew, sorry list but I have to agree with him I saw prices for a '89 with 50K miles on it for 13.000 Dutch guilder (USD 6500) that tells you something about the prices here in Holland and Europe. Gerard -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "HPCE Gerard" To: "Turner, Andrew R (Andy)" , "'PC800 Group'" Subject: Re: PC800: New member on the list Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:20:12 +0100 > Would all you guys in the USA please go easy on us English folk when you > tell the list how cheaply you are buying your PC800's as we have to pay > approx $11,000 for one without any warranty.......? Well sayd Andrew, sorry list but I have to agree with him I saw prices for a '89 with 50K miles on it for 13.000 Dutch guilder (USD 6500) that tells you something about the prices here in Holland and Europe. Gerard -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 04:45:34 -0800 From: Phil Lewis To: PC800 Group Subject: PC800: A Honda? called Buford! I just had to share with you all something I saw at my local Honda dealer. I'm not exaactly sure what it is, but it's interesting. It's name is Buford and you can see it at http://www.concentric.net/~Pilewis1/pcphotos/buford.htm. I think it may have started life as a Honda but now..................... Oh, be sure to check out the seat or should I say saddle. I hope he watches out for those quick stops!! :) Phil -- ************* *Phil Lewis * *'90 PC * *"Delta Red"* *So. Cal. * ************* -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 07:00:10 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Doug Subject: PC800: PC info I am looking real hard at a 94 PC to buy. Does anyone have a picture of this bike or know where I can get one on the web? What is the overall length. Sounds like I'm not looking real hard ehhh, truth be told, my brother is looking for me as bike is in city where he lives. The picture is for me so I know exactly what color, etc, and I need to know if I buy it will it fit in my pickup so I can get it home. See I'm not completely crazy DUH Doug -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:35:56 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: My first bike--a true story Hi, Will: Welcome. I'm pleased that you've found something that will put joy back in your life after your loss. Riding a motorcycle, when done well with skill and precision, is an almost boundless source of satisfaction and pleasure. It is good for the soul and a great remedy for the stresses and strains of the daily grind. It is also a very risky thing to do. The skills and strategies they covered at the MSF course will help you reduce that risk if you put them into practice on every ride. Extend the envelope slowly. Once you've gotten a few months of experience and are comfortable with your ability to make the PC go at least approximately where you want it to go, sign up for an MSF Experienced RiderCourse to refocus what you learned in the first course (there will be several offered at the Honda Hoot in Asheville, NC in June if you want to experience the "herd aspect" of motorcycling). Then, consciously practice those techniques for cornering, swerving and stopping and--more importantly--scanning well ahead, predicting and acting until they become a part of your natural reflexes. When you get to that stage, you will be ready to begin enjoying the experience of motorcycling. Later, in a year or so, sign up for one of the more advanced, skill-development courses like Reg Pridmore's CLASS (he does a session each year at the Road Atlanta track near Braselton, GA). Then you will really be equipped to get the most of what motorcycling has to offer. Good luck, and congratulations on picking one fine "first bike." JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:17:55 -0500 From: "Gordon B. Frank" To: AChmura , AdirYaniv , AikenN , Blum , Brad CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, MacyT , MarcusJ , MarkD , Drew , DreyerW , DSokol , MECONOMOS@aol.com, FrankJ Subject: PC800: Cold War...War Hi Gang, I'm back from Daytona Bike week & 9 days in Fla. with friends and family. The PC800 ran great despite winter cold and 50mph wind blasts. Camping with the Harley guys is something else! Trip report to follow. Be well, Gordon ... At the height of the arms race, the Americans and Russians realized that if they continued in the usual manner they were going to blow up the whole world. One day they sat down and decided to settle the whole dispute with one dog fight. They'd have five years to breed the best fighting dog in the world and which ever side's dog won would be entitled to dominate the world. The losing side would have to lay down its arms. The Russians found the biggest meanest Doberman and Rottweiler in the world and bred them with the biggest meanest Siberian wolves. They selected only the biggest and strongest puppy from each litter, killed his siblings, and gave him all the milk. They used steroids and trainers and after five years came up with the biggest meanest dog the world had ever seen. Its cage needed steel bars that were five inches thick and nobody could get near it. When the day came for the dog fight, the Americans showed up with a strange animal. It was a nine foot long Dachshund. Everyone felt sorry for the Americans because they knew there was no way that this dog could possibly last ten seconds with the Russian dog. When the cages were opened up, the Dachshund came out of it's cage and slowly waddled over towards the Russian dog. The Russian dog snarled and leaped out of it's cage and charged the American dachshund. But, when it got close enough to bite the Dachshund's neck, the Dachshund opened it's mouth and consumed the Russian dog in one bite. There was nothing left at all of the Russian dog. The Russians came up to the Americans shaking their heads in disbelief. "We don't understand how this could have happened. We had our best people working for five years with the meanest Dobermans and Rottweilers in the world and the biggest meanest Siberian wolves." "That's nothing", an American replied. "We had our best plastic surgeons working for five years to make an alligator look like a Dachshund." -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mark Lucas" To: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: PC800: SAENG edging Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 05:54:21 -0800 I've read many people here praising SAENG edging. I'm 5'6" with a longer torso and shorter legs. If I'm relaxed on the bike, I tend to look just below the top edge of the windshield, and if I stretch upright, I can comfortably look over the top, just a bit. How much does the SAENG edging restrict one's view? What color is it? I'd like to hear from anyone about my size that has experience with this stuff. The properties of it sound great, but I'm concerned about the potential problems with vision. Peace, Mark Lucas http://home.earthlink.net/~mjlucas -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mark Lucas" To: "'PC800 Group'" Subject: Re: PC800: New member on the list Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 06:09:39 -0800 Ouch! And I was starting to kick myself for paying $7000 for a brand spanking new (6 miles) '95! Peace, Mark Lucas http://home.earthlink.net/~mjlucas -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Turner, Andrew R (Andy) To: 'PC800 Group' Date: Thursday, March 12, 1998 12:25 PM Subject: RE: PC800: New member on the list Would all you guys in the USA please go easy on us English folk when you tell the list how cheaply you are buying your PC800's as we have to pay approx $11,000 for one without any warranty.......? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'Mark Lucas'" , PC800 Mailing List Subject: RE: PC800: SAENG edging Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:26:32 -0500 Mark, Don't use it. It will interfere. I used it with an '89 windshield and it didn't work very well above 45 mph. I use a rubber spoiler on the '89 shield. Roger > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Lucas [SMTP:mjlucas@earthlink.net] > Sent: Friday, March 13, 1998 8:54 AM > To: PC800 Mailing List > Subject: PC800: SAENG edging > > I've read many people here praising SAENG edging. I'm 5'6" with a > longer > torso and shorter legs. If I'm relaxed on the bike, I tend to look > just > below the top edge of the windshield, and if I stretch upright, I can > comfortably look over the top, just a bit. How much does the SAENG > edging > restrict one's view? What color is it? I'd like to hear from anyone > about > my size that has experience with this stuff. The properties of it > sound > great, but I'm concerned about the potential problems with vision. > > Peace, > Mark Lucas > http://home.earthlink.net/~mjlucas > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:31:02 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: SAENG edging Hi, Mark: The SAENG Stealth Edging is black and is approximately 3/4 inch in width, with roughly 1/4 inch of it above the top of the windscreen. Sounds like it might be just about perfectly in your line of sight in your "relaxed" position. JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 07:31:12 -0800 From: Alan Taylor To: Doug , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: PC info Doug wrote: > I am looking real hard at a 94 PC to buy. > Does anyone have a picture of this bike or know where I can get one on the > web? Try the pictures at the SCPCRC Photo page. Lot's of PC800 pcs and links to more http://www.concentric.net/~Pilewis1/pcphotos/PCRPHOTO.HTM > What is the overall length. >From the service manual: (dimensions in inches)Length: 90.2 Width: 32.3 Total Height: 55.9 note, there are several windshield options. this is for the standard W/S. Dry Weight: 586lbs Curb Weight: 626lbs. > Sounds like I'm not looking real hard ehhh, truth be told, my brother is > looking for me as bike is in city where he lives. > The picture is for me so I know exactly what color, etc, and I need to know > if I buy it will it fit in my pickup so I can get it home. The 94 and 95 are Black with silver lower panels. Loading it into a P/U will be the wrestling match you would expect of any bike of this size and weight. The problem will be finding good tie down points. The handlebars are kind of hidden behind the fairing, and just about every thing else with any strength is under plastic. > See I'm not completely crazy DUH considering a PC not only makes you sane, but suggests way above average intelligence. > Alan Taylor 95 PC800 "Midnight"Long Beach, CA > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m3.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id MBO21607; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:46:24 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: wfletchb@email.msn.com Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:35:02 -0800 Subject: Re: PC800: My first bike--a true story From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy) Great story, Will. I'm sure that you have resurrected old memories in a lot of us. Welcome to the list. Richard Hardy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:06:20 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Doug Subject: PC800: New PC owner It sure is good to have all this knowledge around me. From Alaska to CA to East coast, South, etc etc etc. AND they are willing to share there smarts. I have been convinced, the PC 800 is the best all around bike for the money. After being on this list as a bystander, while looking, I am now a bona fide member. I go to Alabama Sat to pick up 94 PC. with 19,500 miles. for $3,500.(after a little bargaining). My phone bill will probably make up for any savings. If anyone thinks this is not a good price, I DON'T WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT. LOL All the help on pictures , specifications etc is greatly appreciated. I will need additional help I find out, the bike does not have tool kit. or owners manual, any suggestions? Has anyone loaded one on a p/u truck full bed. There was a suggestion early that tie down points will be a problem as bike is shrouded in plastic. Could use your expertise there. Now for the bad part, have to go to the bank now. Doug -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:34:24 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: New PC owner Hi again, Doug: Congratulations on the PC purchase. Tie down can be a problem as others have pointed out. You can take off the plastic covers over the front and rear crash bars (you have ot sort of pinch them together top to bottom to release some tabs, then pull them loose at the back and front. There is also an allen-head screw on the bottom side of the front covers that must come out). the crash bars provide good tie down spots, but the really work best if you've got a floor ring to hook them to. I also tie some straps to the fork legs at the lower triple clamp. Then I hook the tie down to the straps. The straps are to keep things from rubbing the plastic. You can also take the saddle off (two 12mm screws at the back of the saddle, accessed with the trunk lid open. This will expose some frame rails that you can attach to. If it were me, I think I'd ride the bus down and the bike back. It might be cold and wet, but it will probably be less hassle overall. Good luck, and tell us of your adventure. JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ernie.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA26595; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:40:22 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: mjlucas@earthlink.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: SAENG edging Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:36:37 -0800 On the Xtra Coverage Hondaline windshield, I could sit up straight and look just over it, or slouch a little and look through it. I usually looked through it. I'm 5'10" and long of torso. So far, our information is identical (except that my windshield was higher). SAENG edging is black. The rest gets personal. I don't like the wind buffeting my helmet, even the top. I like a QUIET ride. The Hondaline windshield is a rather straight affair, and does not deflect the wind up very well. It also tossed the rain in my face. (I spend a considerable amount of time riding in the rain.) Therefore, I desperately wanted and needed the SAENG edging. It added about 2-3" of virtual windshield so I could look over the top of it without getting buffeted. It also caught the rain. YMMV I am not bothered by a big black strip in my field of vision. In fact, I found it useful to block the sun when heading right into a sunrise or sunset. I shut one eye, and moved my head so that the SAENG was between my eye and the sun. In essence, it made a nice little sun-visor. (I had to use my clutch and brake at one place where this was common so it was difficult to hold up a hand.) Normally I either looked over it or under it. You can't see very well through the edge of your windshield anyway, so it did not actually detract from my view in any way. It just bugs some people. YMMV After I totaled my bike (PC800) I made a special trip to the dealer only to pull my SAENG edging off of the windshield. It was worth a special trip to me. I like it that much. Ironically, it didn't fit on the stock BMW windshield (my replacement) and the aftermarket windshield has a built in flare that makes it unnecessary. I do miss the sun visor aspect, however, and I may put it on to see how I like it. Whether or not SAENG edging is for you is a highly personal matter of individual preferences. It definitely works, and works well. Whether or not you will like it is another matter entirely. Todd Vierheller Blue '96 BMW R1100RTL, "Rain Dancer" 206-930-3110 (Work) 425-488-0851 (Home) vierhel@ibm.net (Home Office) Y2K Project Office Year 2000 -- Resistance is Futile > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Lucas [SMTP:mjlucas@earthlink.net] > Sent: Friday, March 13, 1998 5:54 AM > To: PC800 Mailing List > Subject: PC800: SAENG edging > > I've read many people here praising SAENG edging. I'm 5'6" with a > longer > torso and shorter legs. If I'm relaxed on the bike, I tend to look > just > below the top edge of the windshield, and if I stretch upright, I can > comfortably look over the top, just a bit. > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:26:05 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: New PC owner Hi Doug. Congratulations on the PC purchase. You've done well. I had my bike picked up by a local dealer once, and he had it in the bed of the pickup. He attached a loop of nylon webbing around the handlebar grip and then this strap went to a tie down point in front of the bike, close to the floor. (He put on of these straps on each side, obviously) The front wheel of the PC800 was against the front wall of the pickup bed, in a U shaped channel that ran up and down that wall. That's all he did. The rear end wasn't tied at all. Apparently, if the front wheel is secure, and the handlebars are secure, then the bike can't move at all. I would have been psychologically happier if there had been some sort of tie down on the rear of the bike as well, but it seems like it wasn't needed. I have since seen Gold Wings tied in this fashion as well. It sure doesn't look solid, but it seems to work! I liked the other idea that was presented in the last message in this thread. Take the bus down to where the bike is located and drive it home. Take the side roads, it will be a nicer trip. I bought my bike out on Long Island, in New York, and I drove it back to Stamford, CT, where I was living in temporary housing. Then, a few weeks later I drove it home from Stamford, CT to Ottawa, Canada. It's about a 500 mile trip, and it snowed a bit while going through the Adirondacks! But I loved it! It was *so* nice to be back on a motorcycle from an absence of a few years. Good luck...and let us know what you do! fsl :-) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:26:54 -0600 ; Fri, 13 Mar 98 15:26:26 CST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:26:27 -0600 From: Mark Gilb To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Another "new" member I have been lurking about the list for a while and figured it was a good time to expose myself. Mark Gilb St. Louis, Mo. (well, almost) 1995 PC-800 , bought new in March 1995 Currently about 9000 miles I have added a tall Rifle windshield and am contemplating the purchase of a Corbin seat. I am a casual rider and the PC-800 is just what I was looking for. Got back into riding in 1993 after a 15 year hiatus by buying my neighbor's 1986 GL-650. After a couple years practice, I decided that I wanted a comfortable bike to ride and the PC-800 was really the only choice. It has plenty of power for the type of riding I enjoy and handles very well. The list has been a great help so far. Is there anyone on the list from the St. Louis area? I know that there are a couple PC-800s around because I see them every once in a while. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ramin Keyvan" Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:57:49 -0800 "PC800: My first bike--a true story" (Mar 13, 12:17am) To: "Will Brown" , Subject: Re: PC800: My first bike--a true story Will, Firstly, and most importantly, please allow me to express my most sincere sympathies at your loss. There's not much else that can be said that would be adequate. My heart goes out to you. Secondly, please allow me to welcome you to the list and to congratulate you on the purchase of your **FIRST BIKE***!!!! ****YYYYAAAYYYY*****!!!! :-) You have purchased a wonderfully fun/practical/useful/satisfying motorcycle! My wife owns one and and I love it when I get to ride it. As the regulars here on the list already know, I ride a '95 Kawasaki Concours. I love that bike lots but there's just something really cool about the PC!! Enjoy it! And let us know if we can be of assitance. Cheers, Ramin -- -To Live is to Risk-----Entil-Zha- ------------------------------------------------------ |Ramin Keyvan | Voice: 650-846-5169 | |Member Technical Staff/ | FAX: 650-846-5005 | |Release Group | Main #:650-846-5000 | |ramin@tibco.com | Beeper:800-SKY-GRAM | |http://www.tibco.com | Beeper Pin #: 471-3186# | |########################| Cell Phone:650-307-6622 | ------------------------------------------------------ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:23:59 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Tom Ambrosio Subject: Re: PC800: Another "new" member Cc: mark.a.gilb@boeing.com I've only been browsing the list a couple of days but had to respond to Mark's St. Louis query, so..... Tom Ambrosio Evansville IN '81 Honda CB750 but wanting a '93-95 PC I got back into motorcycling last year after having one bike for a very brief time in college. It was the typical parental flip out and significant other (my now wife) doesn't want a motorcycle in the family routine. It was very hard to buy that '81 Yamaha 400 Special last year. I actually felt guilty buying the bike. I talked with my wife first (always good if you want a relationship to last ) and although she wasn't too thrilled with the idea she saw the desire in my eyes and gave her blessing. BTW, she enjoys riding with me now! I think she would like the PC as I'm sure it is much quieter than my current CB750. My bike doesn't have the original mufflers and it must be louder than it should be... The '81 Yamaha was great to start with but it had no windshield or storage and I commuted with it 50 miles round trip per day. I put 1200 miles on it last summer before selling it for my current '81 Honda CB750 with Vetter faring and storage compartments. The Yamaha was fun in town but the CB750 is more practical. Unfortunately, it's a bike that doesn't like to start very easily. My original plans were to keep this bike for a few years and then maybe upgrade to a more modern bike. I had the carbs worked on and it runs a lot better once started but is still hard to start. This may be the excuse I have been looking for to get a PC800! :-) I have yet to see a PC in person but have looked at nearly all the pix on the official website as well as others and the '98 pix on Honda's page. I've been to two Honda dealers around the area, one only does crotchrockets and Wings and the other didn't have any in stock. He said someone just picked up a '95 PC that morning that was traded on a ST1100. Oh well, missed that one. I'm gonna keep my eyes open and start to look seriously for a '93-95 PC. If anyone knows of one anywhere remotely near Indiana, please let me know. As for Mark's query, in case you don't know, Evansville is about 3 hours East of St. Louis and if you know of any used PC's for sale, please let me know... -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:35:49 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve & Diane Scudder " To: "PC800 Listserve" Subject: PC800: The Great Wall of Honda Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:31:53 -0500 Hello fellow Listers, I'll keep this as short and to the point as possible. After much inquiry, research, etc., I purchased a 97 PC800 from one of 3 local dealers after being told no 96's were available. Now they are advertising the 96's and tell me that the sales rep they deal with from Honda denied any knowledge of the price reduction/availability issue at the time I was to purchase my 97( 2-7-98 ). I inquired as to a price break on the 97 BEFORE purchase and once again the rep told the dealers no. Now ( as of 3-1-98 ), Honda has dropped the price of 97's to $6400.00!! Here's my point- it's not the $1000.00 that bothers me, it's the attitude Honda has taken after the dealer "went to bat" for me on this issue. He asserts that I "got screwed" and strongly suggested contacting Honda personally. Well guess what? They don't care. The person who called me back said the policy stands that no-one gets a dime retroactively, no-matter-what. He is referring this to "someone higher up", but assures me that there is no recourse. I have to say that I don't exactly get a warm and fuzzy feeling about Honda's customer relations. Does anyone on the list have any experience in such matters with Honda? Do they treat Warranty issues the same way? Any input will be appreciated. At this time, the GL1500 SE purchase is on hold, as well as the Shadow VLX Deluxe for Diane. You would think that Honda would like to keep customer satisfaction high on their list of priorities. If they blow me off on this one, there will be no new Shadow or Goldwing in the garage with the PC800. I may just offer up the PC for sale and walk away from Honda forever. As a precursor for the PC sale, it has 270 miles on it, Hondaline backrest, trunk lights, alarm system, priority-plus taillamp modulator, trunk bags and Hondaline cover. Gee, this should be fun-any Joe can get a brand new one from Honda for $1000.00 less than I paid. Steve Scudder greyhound@bizgroup.net How could you not LOVE a Greyhound?! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/971030) via SMTP id VAA08868 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:39:09 -0500 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: PC800: 90 PC for sale Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:40:40 -0500 In today's paper: '90 PC800 with Hondaline backrest and Hondaline (Kenwood) radio. 15K miles, $3,850. 423-239-3948 Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) 14 Mar 1998 03:01:13 +0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:58:26 -0600 From: Mike Ver Velde Subject: Re: PC800: My first bike--a true story To: Will Brown , PC800@hpc.uh.edu Will Writes: >After looking through the bulk of this mailing list, I have concluded that >my choice of the PC800 as a first bike could be either incredibly foolish or >incredibly wise. So far I have absolutely no regrets. In three months, I >have ridden approximately 1100 fantastic miles. Count me in as one of the fools that bought a PC as a "first bike"! I was "warned" that starting at 800cc is way over my head. Gee, the PC is soooo user friendly that if I had bought a Honda Rebel or something around there, I would have grown bored fast. As others on the list have already said- MSF course is incredibly important. It does not guarantee you from crashing ( I totaled my first PC and broke my collarbone a few months after my MSF course...), but I sure have used those skills untold times in rush hour traffic. I commute 70 miles one way from central CA to the SF bay area- one of those crazy commutes. Have put on about 20k miles on my PC (1st and 2nd one) since last April. Love it! Just had an awesome ride home from work today as I took some back roads with nice sweeping twisties- recently completed my tire change and have new Metzlers on- was doing 75 around there (not much other traffic in these farm areas). ahhhhhhhhhhh..... came home from a terrible day of work with a big grin! Welcome to the club, you will enjoy the bike and this list! Mike V Stockton CA 89 PC 24k -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) 14 Mar 1998 04:42:22 +0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:13:33 -0600 From: Mike Ver Velde Subject: Re: PC800: PC info To: Doug , pc800@hpc.uh.edu >The picture is for me so I know exactly what color, etc, and I need to know >if I buy it will it fit in my pickup so I can get it home. >See I'm not completely crazy DUH >Doug > Another option- MUCH EASIER option, if you chose not to ride it is to rent a low trailer. U haul has them for 8 bucks a day and they have a fold down rear gate that you can roll your PC up. I went thru the hassle of using a pick up. Yes, it is a wrestling match. Mike V -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:39:13 -0800 From: Phil Lewis To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: Re: PC800: 90 PC for sale Jim Randall wrote: > In today's paper: > > '90 PC800 with Hondaline backrest and Hondaline (Kenwood) radio. > 15K miles, $3,850. 423-239-3948 > > Jim Randall > jrandall@tricon.net > > Yes, but for only $400 more, you can buy my '90 (13,500 miles) which also has the Hondaline backrest and Hondaline (Kenwood) radio and mine has a Kenwood 10 disc cd-changer, Tenzo driving lights, Top and Bottom spoilers, ammeter and voltmeter, lighted Brookstone thermometer, Californeon lighted striping, Firefly sytem brake lights, top rear custom brake light, 4-way flashing hazard light system, rear running lights, side marker/running lights, soft sided rear mounted travel bag, and I'm going to throw in a Battery Tender because I've already hooked up the connecting wire to the battery. What more could anyone ask!? :) -- ************* *Phil Lewis * *'90 PC * *"Delta Red"* *So. Cal. * ************* -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:07:07 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mike Whited" To: , "Jim Randall" Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: Re: 1994 PC800 Gas Guzzler problem! Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:01:46 -0500 I ran it bone dry crossing Illinois. I didn't realise that the strong head winds would effect my milage that much. I new I was low and gas stations were becoming scarce but I figured that even if I were getting a low 40 mpg and I had a 4.5 gal tank (guessing a quart of reserve) that I could go 180 miles before disaster struck. I got off at one exit marked "gas" but could only find corn fields. Got back on I-74 and managed a few miles before "Blackie" died...@ 159 miles...right by a sign that said "gas-1 mile" My friend rode ahead to buy gas, and I asked to buy exactly 1 gallon.Which he did. when I finally filled up (to the absolute rim) I put 4.1 gallons in my tank. my bike has a 4.2 gal tank and I have a range of between 140 ~ 260 miles. ( the 62mpg is another story- 250 mile gravel road with only 2 gas stations a $125 a night room in a trailer and a return trip on the same road, this time with 40+ mph crosswinds and being clocked by a highway patrol helicopter!!) opps, I just told it! Mike Whited Columbus Ohio 94'PC "Blackie" ps, I don't ever count on getting 62 mpg again! ---------- > From: Scot Piper > To: Jim Randall > Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: PC800: Re: 1994 PC800 Gas Guzzler problem! > Date: Thursday, March 12, 1998 8:46 PM > > OK, but realistically, how low can you run the PC800 tank before you run > out? If it's designed like the "reserve" on other tanks, then you > should be able to get just about every drop in the tank (including all > the crud on the bottom of the tank). Strange Honda did not design a > larger tank, or at least a reserve. :-( > > Scot > '89 PC800 > --------- > > > Jim Randall wrote: > > > > 4.2 gallons x 45mpg = 189 miles per tank. You can go a lot further > > than 110 miles before you fill. > > > > Jim Randall > > jrandall@tricon.net > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: speerboy@juno.com [SMTP:speerboy@juno.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 11:18 PM > > To: tibbs@hpc.uh.edu > > Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > > Subject: PC800: Re: 1994 PC800 Gas Guzzler problem! > > > > Dear folks, > > Add me to the list of people who's needle is in the red around 110 miles. > > My '90 has a small (around 3.1 gal) tank right? I'm getting upwards of > > 45 mpg which is great considering how much fun I have riding! > > Hey, while I'm here does anyone know what brand replacement handgrips are > > long enough for my '90's stock bars? I bought some ProGrips and they > > were too short. > > Gary Smith > > speerboy@juno.com > > I'm a loser who spends far too much time indoors. > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:26:47 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mike Whited" To: "Mark Lucas" , "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: SAENG edging Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:13:44 -0500 Do you get much Windnoise/buffeting with your current setup? Many times I felt that If I could scrunch down a little and ride looking thru the windscreen for extended periods, like would be grand! ---------- > From: Mark Lucas > To: PC800 Mailing List > Subject: PC800: SAENG edging > Date: Friday, March 13, 1998 8:54 AM > > I've read many people here praising SAENG edging. I'm 5'6" with a longer > torso and shorter legs. If I'm relaxed on the bike, I tend to look just > below the top edge of the windshield, and if I stretch upright, I can > comfortably look over the top, just a bit. How much does the SAENG edging > restrict one's view? What color is it? I'd like to hear from anyone about > my size that has experience with this stuff. The properties of it sound > great, but I'm concerned about the potential problems with vision. > > Peace, > Mark Lucas > http://home.earthlink.net/~mjlucas > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mark Lucas" To: "PC800 Mailing List" Subject: Re: PC800: SAENG edging Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 06:36:25 -0800 I get some wind noise at highway speeds, but one up, I don't get much buffeting. The main reason I'm looking at the edging is to eliminate the annoying rain splashing over the top edge of the windshield and to improve the protection for my wife when she's behind me. When I have someone behind me, they catch a huge amount of wind and it generally blows between us and pushes against my back. Maybe SAENG isn't the solution. I also contemplate a Rifle, but don't have the bucks to drop on that right now...... Peace, Mark Lucas http://home.earthlink.net/~mjlucas -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Mike Whited To: Mark Lucas ; PC800 Mailing List Date: Saturday, March 14, 1998 6:27 AM Subject: Re: PC800: SAENG edging Do you get much Windnoise/buffeting with your current setup? Many times I felt that If I could scrunch down a little and ride looking thru the windscreen for extended periods, like would be grand! ---------- > From: Mark Lucas > To: PC800 Mailing List > Subject: PC800: SAENG edging > Date: Friday, March 13, 1998 8:54 AM > > I've read many people here praising SAENG edging. I'm 5'6" with a longer > torso and shorter legs. If I'm relaxed on the bike, I tend to look just > below the top edge of the windshield, and if I stretch upright, I can > comfortably look over the top, just a bit. How much does the SAENG edging > restrict one's view? What color is it? I'd like to hear from anyone about > my size that has experience with this stuff. The properties of it sound > great, but I'm concerned about the potential problems with vision. > > Peace, > Mark Lucas > http://home.earthlink.net/~mjlucas > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/971030) via SMTP id JAA06540 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:37:23 -0500 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: FW: PC800: 90 PC for sale Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:37:15 -0500 I don't have any dogs in this race since the advertised PC isn't mine; BUT, Phil's '90 is on the left coast and the one I posted about is on the right. Could make a significant difference depending on where one sits. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Phil Lewis [SMTP:pilewis1@concentric.net] Sent: Saturday, March 14, 1998 12:39 AM To: 'PC800 List' Subject: Re: PC800: 90 PC for sale Jim Randall wrote: > In today's paper: > > '90 PC800 with Hondaline backrest and Hondaline (Kenwood) radio. > 15K miles, $3,850. 423-239-3948 > > Jim Randall > jrandall@tricon.net > > Yes, but for only $400 more, you can buy my '90 (13,500 miles) which also has the Hondaline backrest and Hondaline (Kenwood) radio and mine has a Kenwood 10 disc cd-changer, Tenzo driving lights, Top and Bottom spoilers, ammeter and voltmeter, lighted Brookstone thermometer, Californeon lighted striping, Firefly sytem brake lights, top rear custom brake light, 4-way flashing hazard light system, rear running lights, side marker/running lights, soft sided rear mounted travel bag, and I'm going to throw in a Battery Tender because I've already hooked up the connecting wire to the battery. What more could anyone ask!? :) -- ************* *Phil Lewis * *'90 PC * *"Delta Red"* *So. Cal. * ************* -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:44:40 -0500 From: Jason To: Tom Ambrosio CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, mark.a.gilb@boeing.com Subject: Re: PC800: Another "new" member I ride pretty regularly with my father who has an 81 CB750. He also wants a PC quite a bit. His CB750 isn't too loud at all, though it's a buzzy sound. He also has the Vetter compartments, but doesn't like them (I don't like riding behind him because they wobble so much). Lotsa room in them, though. The other thing you mention was difficulty starting; his will start probably 2 out of 5 times with no hesitation, but the other three can vary between one to five minutes to get it going. A few times we thought the battery was going to die. He's had it looked at and noone can find anything wrong with it. Once it's started, it runs great. Whenever I sit on it I'm amazed at how light it is. :) You really should test drive a PC. The weight difference at least -feels- significant. G'luck! -Jason Grant -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:10:02 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Tom Ambrosio Subject: PC800: Trade CB750 for PC800 Jason, Thanks for the input. I agree the Vetter compartments do hold alot but they are loose. They make the bike a tight squeeze between my car and garage wall. I'm not glad your dad has problems starting his CB750 sometimes, but I am glad I'm not the only one with that type trouble. It wouldn't be so bad if it had a kick starter as a backup, but just like you have said, I have just about drained the battery at times to start it. That can't be too good for the starter. I'm gonna get serious looking for a PC now. I just printed a bunch of dealers within a 2hr radius of home that I need to get phone numbers for...wish me luck! JT, if you are reading this, thanks for the Clarksville tip. I am gonna call around here first and if I have no luck I will call Ed and plug your name. Like you, I'm not much on woodgrain dash customizations but if I can't find any stock PCs around the region and the price is right... ...and to the group, I'm sorry about my first posting day to the list. I posted to the list and a cc: to an individual. I now see that this was a bad idea so I will just post to the list from now on. Forgive me? -Tom A. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:04:36 -0800 From: Gail Anundson To: pc Subject: PC800: Digest or register of past messages I went into the web site and was unable to link to the site where past messages are archived. Can someone tell what the url is? I remember some discussion on smelling gas when they open the little gas door and I definitely smell gas. Also I smell something like burning rubber. If anyone has had a similar experience and one they solved I would appreciate some in sight. Ko Ko san is a '94 PC with about 5850 miles on it. I bought it last fall and have only put on about 350 miles so I don't have a lot of experience with it. Bob -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "PC Rider" To: "Steve & Diane Scudder " Cc: "PC800 Mail List" Subject: Re: PC800: The Great Wall of Honda Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 13:03:48 -0500 Money, isn't everything. Don't bite your nose off to spite your face. If you like the PC800 keep it. Don't sell because your mad at Honda. That would be foolish! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:20:52 -0800 From: Bob Anundson To: PC800 Mail List Subject: Re: PC800: The Great Wall of Honda Its small comfort but we all have lost a little bit of value with the Honda sale. I paid $5,100 for a '94 last fall. I suspect it isn't worth more than $4,500 today because of the great deal on new '96s. On the other hand the biggest problem with the model is that it isn't well enough known and subsquentially popular. Maybe with great exposure the model will take off and gain its value back in a year or two. Bob PC Rider wrote: > > Money, isn't everything. Don't bite your nose off to spite your face. If > you like the PC800 keep it. Don't sell because your mad at Honda. That > would be foolish! > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:39:06 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Richard A. Nadeau" Subject: PC800: 1997 PC800's Sale I just came back from the Honda dealer where I bought my 1996 PC800 2 weeks ago and found out that the 96's sold so fast that Honda is making a deal on the 97's. A new 1997 Hond PC800 is only 6,499. Richard Nadeau Nashville, TN 1996 PC800 RED 900 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 17:50:02 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: HPCE Gerard Subject: PC800: Stator problem ????? Dear listers, This weekend was the openings ride of the HPCE, so as a board member I went, no problems. I started saturday at 10 for a 140 mile trip to the starting point in southern Holland (Vaals), stopped for gas and some refreshments twice (yes I also got that fuel smell, so had to stop twice for gas), when I arrived I parked the bike, but it wasn't in the right place so I had to move it, try to start it, but nothing happened, after a push start it started. I called for professional help, this guy said it was a dead battery, he gave an address were I could get a new one (USD 96), at 10.15 in the evening the new battery was bought and installed, and it started immediately. Went to bed and at 7,45 the next morning I woke up, see if the bike still wants to start, YES, JIPPIE HOERA!!! I drove to the starting point for the ride, all was normal, until the ride was well underway and we stopped for gas, it wouldn't start again, push start it, and it was going again. It seems to me that even I installed a new battery, the battery don't get charged, this problem started only this weekend, I never encountered it before, do you guys and gals have a solution, o by the way, I have a white '89. Gerard Gerard Diepeveen, Secretary for Honda Pacific Coast Europe Email: pce@dsv.nl Phone: 0031-651220230 (mobile) Webpager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/2149445 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Pacific Coast Rocky Mountain 1998 tour: http://www.dsv.nl/~pce/rocky-mountain98-tour.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------- visit the Honda Pacific Coast Europe website: http://www.dsv.nl/~pce/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 09:44:28 -0800 From: Phil Lewis To: HPCE Gerard CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Stator problem ????? Hi Gerard! You're going to get a thousand letters on this one, all saying the same thing. You've got the dreaded " '89 PC Stater Failure!!" Although Honda denies the problem, almost everyone with an '89 has had to replace the stater. I hope it's not much more expensive in Holland to replace, as it's fairly expensive here. Take care and let us know when you're coming to the U.S. Phil -------------------------------------- HPCE Gerard wrote: > Dear listers, > > This weekend was the openings ride of the HPCE, so as a board member I > went, no problems. > I started saturday at 10 for a 140 mile trip to the starting point in > southern Holland (Vaals), stopped for gas and some refreshments twice (yes > I also got that fuel smell, so had to stop twice for gas), when I arrived I > parked the bike, but it wasn't in the right place so I had to move it, try > to start it, but nothing happened, after a push start it started. > > I called for professional help, this guy said it was a dead battery, he > gave an address were I could get a new one (USD 96), at 10.15 in the > evening the new battery was bought and installed, and it started immediately. > > Went to bed and at 7,45 the next morning I woke up, see if the bike still > wants to start, YES, JIPPIE HOERA!!! > I drove to the starting point for the ride, all was normal, until the ride > was well underway and we stopped for gas, it wouldn't start again, push > start it, and it was going again. It seems to me that even I installed a > new battery, the battery don't get charged, this problem started only this > weekend, I never encountered it before, do you guys and gals have a > solution, o by the way, I have a white '89. > > Gerard > Gerard Diepeveen, Secretary for > Honda Pacific Coast Europe > Email: pce@dsv.nl > Phone: 0031-651220230 (mobile) > Webpager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/2149445 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Pacific Coast Rocky Mountain 1998 tour: > http://www.dsv.nl/~pce/rocky-mountain98-tour.htm > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > visit the Honda Pacific Coast Europe website: > http://www.dsv.nl/~pce/ > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- ************* *Phil Lewis * *'90 PC * *"Delta Red"* *So. Cal. * ************* -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 09:52:59 -0800 From: Phil Lewis To: HPCE Gerard CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Stator problem ????? Hi Gerard! I just checked out your Rocky Mountain Tour and I'm going to see if maybe we can get some of us here in Southern California to ride up to Las Vegas when you're there. How it about it guys?! Take care, Phil ------------------------------------ Pacific Coast Rocky Mountain 1998 tour: http://www.dsv.nl/~pce/rocky-mountain98-tour.htm -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 17:20:26 -0500 From: "Gordon B. Frank" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, ShatB/R CC: xHendlerR&L , tfrankw@us.ibm.com, TomP , MarcusJ , bdbe76a@prodigy.com, "Kerz,E." , Khalil at work , KenitzerHome , HendlerD , HendlerY , FrankJ Subject: PC800: Re: Bike Week & friends Trip report: Bike Week Daytona 1998 Left Atlanta 5:30am Wed 3/4/98 - Cracker Barrel brkfst in Macon, Ga. w/Jim Hay. 32 degrees in Atl. and down to 28 in Macon, cold but clear skies and much warmer when we crossed the bordr into Fla. Thru Gainesville, Fla (Univ. of Fla. town) on way to Daytona, lots of Harleys on the road and terrible directions from them at gas station stops. Small town USA makes for fun visits. We pitched our tents at the camp grounds(20 miles N of the Track exit90) in the BMW biker area. This was a Harley camp area also and the Harley guys were already doing "Burn outs" as we entered. Bike week is an amazing conglomeration of events and peoples. Like a Mardi Gras, Fasching, and the 4th of July all rolled into one. Don't miss Main St. in Daytona Beach and the Iron Horse Saloon in Ormond Beach. The camp area "road" was a sand dune obstacle course and treacherous at night. Interesting to watch bike repairs in the camp at 2am by mechanics in their trailer garage. They really knew their business! The Race track site is well done and has vendor rides from everyone--except Honda. I rode Yamaha's (Royal Star is a dog), Suzuki's, Harley's, and Kawasaki Ninja's. What a blast on the crotch rockets. Even the Harley Road King with fuel injection was a joy to ride & behold! Didn't think I could beat the raw power of the Buell that was experienced at last years Honda Hoot, but it happened again! Had to leave early on Sat am to meet my brother Jim, in Ft.Lauderdale for personal business and packed up the tent in a drizzle. The gusts were over 40mph on I95 for the 5 hr ride, temp about 50 degrees. El Nino was in full force the next day in Daytona and the people were drenched. Saw old friends from my Cinti days, Don Lisner, Judge Rich Radis. Also Babe Levinson on the tennis courts looking great, and cousin Betsey in Boca Raton. My bro.flew back to Boston on Monday and I rode to Miami to stay with Gerry Mitkowsky in his new 21st floor luxury apt. What a contrast to tent living! Ronnie Kaplan, an old high school friend from Waterbury was coincidently there, hadn't seen him in 40+ years. We had dinner at Joe's stone crabs, outstanding food. The next day (Tues.) I met another old Connecticut friend, Roger Shatanof, recently retired (& riding his new Vette). We attended a class at the Univ of Miami, then a great Pastrami sandwich lunch (food is important!). Had an Italian dinner (baked garlic spread!) with my cousins Dave & ShelleySokol. We visited their 2 daughters/families who live nearby. Played phone tag for 3 days with Al Savitz, a best buddy from UConn days. Left the next day for a 325 mile trip to Inverness, Fla. and overnite with the Marcus family. (they are into roller skating for exercise and relaxation.) Thurs am, back on I75 for the last leg to Atlanta. Temp about 35 degrees but sunny. Got colder in Ga. but traffic was medium except for the 18 wheelers. Passed only one cycle rider all the way home. Lots of bikes on trailers, mostly Harleys. Not that many bikers traveling south, it was cold and my heated Gerbing suit was up to the chore. Small problem with battery deterioration due to electric heater. Needed to get 2 jumpstarts but attribute that to having my thermostat on full force for over 2 hours (but wouldn't you think that the generator would keep the battery fully charged at 75mph? guess not!) The PC800 handled like a dream the whole way. No real problems during the 2500 miles. Added a GIVI luggage rack in Daytona at the exhibitand it gave my tent & bedding rolls xtra anchorage. Will probably get the 50l Givi box for the next long trip. Hope to make it to Alaska next year! Hope this wasn't too boring a report, I'm sending it to family also, which is the reason for the names. Be well, and ride safely. Gordon Frank 1996 Hannah Honda PC800 17k+mi. purch new 10/96 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/971030) via SMTP id SAA20161; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 18:44:33 -0500 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Cc: "'hopkinsj@telepath.com'" Subject: PC800: FW: Covers that fit PC's Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 18:45:35 -0500 Cycle covers - see below. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jeff Hopkins [SMTP:hopkinsj@telepath.com] Sent: Sunday, March 15, 1998 8:37 AM To: Jim Randall Subject: Covers that fit PC's Jim, I have several covers that are like the one I gave you when I sold you your bike. I have tried to post on the PC group but don't know if I've gotten through. Would you mind posting this on the site? Have several "seconds" Covercraft motorcycle covers that fit PC800's. New except for a little dirty, no rips or tears. Retail for $90, wholesale for $56, only $40 and I pay shipping. E-mail Jeff Hopkins at hopkinsj@telepath.com or call 405-527-1444. You help would be appreciated. Thanks. Jeff -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JLicari721 Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 18:58:14 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Radio Im lookin for a factory radio, or just factory speaker grills. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: LRaeMiller Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 20:46:05 EST To: JLicari721@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Radio On my '89 the person that put in the CB with a radio interface just removed the dash, laid out a grid on the speaker area and drilled regularly spaced holes (about 1/8" size and 1/4" apart). Then he mounted the speakers behind it. It looked really nice, allowed the sound through and then it didn't matter if the speakers were an exact fit. You would have never known that they were homedone if he hadn't missed one hole in one side!!! Just an option. Lynda -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: PC800: Re: Experienced Rider Course Date: Sun, 15 Mar 98 20:19:40 -0600 From: "Paul B. Atkins" To: , "pc 800 list" , "Honda Sports Touring Assoc." >Subject: Re: Experienced Rider Course >Sent: 3/15/98 2:54 PM >From: cbr1100x@gte.net >To: Patkins > > >Paul, > >I've been trying to find a course to get into since I found out my >insurance will be cut just about in 1/2. Where is the course your >taking and who do I get in touch with to sign-up. > >Thanks, >Al Grimes >CBR 1100xx > Al, I live about an hour north of Green Bay, wisconsin and am taking the course in Kingsford, Michigan (the upper peninsula of Michigan) on Friday/Saturday of Mothers day weekend. The contact said there were some spots available...where are you? I took the beginners course through the technical college system in Green Bay and had a great time! Paul -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.1-10 #18580) Sun, 15 Mar 1998 21:04:41 CST 15 Mar 1998 21:05:13 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 21:48:26 -0500 From: Steve & Diane Scudder Subject: Re: PC800: The Great Wall of Honda To: scotp1965@mdn.net Cc: PC800 Listserve Scot, Thanks for the reply! >(did all that stuff come on your PC for $7500? - if so, >sounds like a very good deal to me). No, I negotiated an out-the-door price of $8000.00 with the backrest installed by the dealer, tax, title, plate, etc. I also negotiated 25%-40% off of accessories prior to purchase of the bike ( trunk lights, bags, helmets and cover ) and paid for those separatley at the time I took delivery of the bike. >As for the new purchases, I can't tell you what to >do, but I'm sure Honda has left a bad taste in your mouth, no matter how >nice of a bike they make. The bad taste is there alright, if they don't give a s*** about a guy who was about to spend another $25,000.00 on Honda products, then they can kiss my heinie. It's not the $$$ that bothers me, it's their attitude. They didn't even try to insult me with a "can we send you a Honda T-shirt & Cap instead" routine. >I could think about selling my '89 (except >that now all of us with used bikes are seeing a decrease in value since >the drop in price of the new ones) and upgrade to a '96. (aren't all of >those '96 models only equiped for CA?). No, there are non-CA spec '96's available in Michigan. Gar's Honda in Grand Rapids ( where I bought my '97) has 2 allotted to them by Honda. >FYI, I have an '84 Shadow 500 I'm selling - >can't get my wife to ride. Hate to sell it, but don't have time to ride >2 bikes (wish I did!). How much? What kind of shape, miles, etc.? Are you the original owner? Diane is exactly 5' 0", which necessitates a smaller and very low seat height type of bike. The Shadow VLX Deluxe at 27" seat height is just manageable for her munchkin dimensions. Thanks again for the response, Steve Scudder greyhound@bizgroup.net How could you not LOVE a Greyhound?! 97 PC800, Grand Rapids, Michigan. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 23:44:37 EST To: cbr1100x@gte.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, HSTA@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: PC800: MSF Course Locations Hi, Al: I note that you're looking for an ERC site. Good plan! Check out the MSF's web site (www.msf-usa.org). Among other things, they list a phone number in each state that you can call to find a course in your area. JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: MSF Course Locations Date: Mon, 16 Mar 98 07:37:09 -0600 From: "Paul B. Atkins" To: , "Honda Sports Touring Assoc." , "pc 800 list" >Sent: 3/15/98 9:48 PM >From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com >To: Patkins > > >Hi, Al: > >I note that you're looking for an ERC site. Good plan! Check out the MSF's >web site (www.msf-usa.org). Among other things, they list a phone number in >each state that you can call to find a course in your area. When I called my local tech college and talked to them, they only offered the basic course. It seems they only have one course, and that stays busy all summer. When I finally did track down an experienced course, the coordinator said that some folks sign up and don't show if the weather is nice..they'd rather go ride. The second reason he gave was that experienced riders ego won't allow feedback or teasing from friends if they go. As for me, I KNOW I have more to learn and the courses are the best way for me to learn! Paul -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:07:59 -0500 From: "Dana L. Sawyer" Subject: PC800: Thanks! To: HondaPacificCoastOwners , HSTA Postings to List Recently I requested information, advice, testimonials, etc. concerning t= he Aerostich Darien jacket and pants. Many of you responded, and to you, I say, thanks for taking the time to tell me your experiences with Andy's fine threads. I recently rode down to Daytona Beach to attend the Bike We= ek festivities. While there, I looked at all of the available gear, and purchased a pair of Joe Rocket Ballistic pants, a DuraTrak jacket and a pair of Motoport Riva Ax boots. Incidentally, those boots are by far the most comfortable boots that I've ever worn! In the future I plan to purchase a Joe Rocket Ballistiic jacket and a pair of Motoport Superbiker= Sprint boots. In that regard, I have two pairs of boots that are in fine condition, but= are too small to fit my "duck feet!" One is a pair of black Corbin tall boots, size 9D; the other is a pair of black boots, brand unknown, with inside zippers covered by velcro flaps, about the same size and height as= the Corbins. Both pair look great and have lots of miles left in them. I'= ll sell either pair for $60 including shipping. Dana -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:41:54 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:35:57 -0600 From: jgeistlubtx@door.net (geist, james) To: PC800 Subject: PC800: Is the list still going? Hmmm.....What's the problem? I haven't had a message from the list in about a week. I checked with my provider to see if something was wrong with my e-mail. No trouble found.......................I sure miss the list..... James Lubbock, Tx. '90 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:52:51 -0500 From: Jason To: "Dana L. Sawyer" CC: HondaPacificCoastOwners , HSTA Postings to List Subject: Re: PC800: Thanks! If you come up with a pair that is size 13, let me know. :) -Jason Grant Dana L. Sawyer wrote: > In that regard, I have two pairs of boots that are in fine condition, but > are too small to fit my "duck feet!" One is a pair of black Corbin tall > boots, size 9D; the other is a pair of black boots, brand unknown, with > inside zippers covered by velcro flaps, about the same size and height as > the Corbins. Both pair look great and have lots of miles left in them. I'll > sell either pair for $60 including shipping. > > Dana > -- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:53:40 -0500 From: Jason To: "geist, james" CC: PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: Is the list still going? I've been getting this list with no problem. My Marine reeftank list seems to have died, though... geist, james wrote: > > Hmmm.....What's the problem? I haven't had a message from the list in > about a week. I checked with my provider to see if something was wrong > with my e-mail. No trouble found.......................I sure miss the > list..... > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:30:02 -0800 (PST) From: John La Subject: Re: PC800: Radio To: JLicari721 , pc800@hpc.uh.edu IMHO, If you have it done right, I think that having the plastic panels drilled in a pattern looks better than grills. John ---JLicari721 wrote: > > Im lookin for a factory radio, or just factory speaker grills. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:53:06 -0800 (PST) From: John La Subject: PC800: PC Sightings So.Cal. To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu PC Sightings in Southern Califirnia Saturday 3/14- I was eastbound on the 60 frw, heading toward Riverside from LA around 11:30am, when I saw a red PC westbound in the fast lane. Sunday-3/15- Pico Blvd, Santa Monica. Burger King. White PC parked near the drive thru. I was riding with my wife and a friend, and we were running a little late, so I couldn't stop to chat. Either of you PC'ers listers? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:07:25 EST To: Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Boots "I recently purchased a pair of Motoport Riva Ax boots. Incidentally, those boots are by far the most comfortable boots that I've ever worn! " says Dana.... Well, I would like to start another thread (not about the damn passing thing again)... I have a pair of waterproof Sidi boots, with velcro closures that are REALLY WARM and totally dry... cost about $220 and worth every dollar... Z -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Mar 98 10:36:22 -0800 From: "Roy Thomassen" To: Subject: PC800: New Subscriber Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" Hello all, I am a new subscriber to the list. Name: Roy Thomassen Location: San Jose, CA Email: rthomass@ccmail.com PC Model year: 1996 Bought New/Used : New (leftover) on March 12, 1998 Modifications made to the bike: Tall Honda windscreen, Honda passenger backrest on order. I have 168 miles on the bike as of yesterday afternoon. The 4000rpm limit for breakin is a real PITA. I can only go 52-55mph on the freeway. Around here that is 20mph slower than traffic!! I am interested in finding out what suspension modifications are recommended. Any info about aftermarket exhaust and jetting would be of interest as well. The bike rides really nice with just me. With my 100 lb. wife on the back the rear suspension is a bit "soft" and bottomed out over medium bumps. I'll twist the preload up from 2 to 4 and try again. Any other members in the SF Bay area that would like to get together for a "network of PCs" ride sometime soon? Blue Skies, Roy T. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:57:53 -0800 From: Phil Lewis To: "geist, james" CC: PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: Is the list still going? Hi Jim! The list is running fine. However, a while back, I had to re-subscribe for no apparent reason when I noticed I wasn't getting e-mail. Perhaps something changed somewhere that requires periodic re-signup. Phil geist, james wrote: > Hmmm.....What's the problem? I haven't had a message from the list in > about a week. I checked with my provider to see if something was wrong > with my e-mail. No trouble found.......................I sure miss the > list..... > > James > Lubbock, Tx. > '90 PC -- ************* *Phil Lewis * *'90 PC * *"Delta Red"* *So. Cal. * ************* -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: David Shumaker To: "'geist, james'" , PC800 Subject: RE: PC800: Is the list still going? Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:10:28 -0800 I sent the list server a "who" command, and did not see you on the list. = Perhaps you got dropped some how? Maybe sending a "subscribe" command = will get you back in working order? Dave Puyallup, WA '97 Pacific Coast -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: geist, james [SMTP:jgeistlubtx@door.net] Sent: Monday, March 16, 1998 7:36 AM To: PC800 Subject: PC800: Is the list still going? Hmmm.....What's the problem? I haven't had a message from the list in about a week. I checked with my provider to see if something was wrong with my e-mail. No trouble found.......................I sure miss the list..... James Lubbock, Tx. '90 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: Boots From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 16 Mar 1998 14:41:16 -0600 Lines: 20 Please don't crosspost messages between list servers. >>>>> "G" == GuntherSki writes: G> I have a pair of waterproof Sidi boots, with velcro G> closures that are REALLY WARM and totally dry... cost about $220 and G> worth every dollar... I ordered a pair of Combat Touring Boots from Aerostich. They were hilariously oversized (at least three sizes over) and since I wear an 8 and they don't carry anything smaller than a 7.5, I was out of luck. I sent them back, took the money to a Red Wing store and picked up a really nice pair of reinforced toe, steel shank boots for half the price that don't look like galoshes. If I keep them polished I can wear them anywhere. Rule 1: never, ever try to mailorder boots. The pictures in the catalogs can be very deceiving, especially if they don't show someone wearing the boots. - J< -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: jgeistlubtx@door.net (geist, james) Cc: PC800 Subject: PC800: Re: Is the list still going? From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 16 Mar 1998 14:34:55 -0600 Lines: 25 >>>>> "gj" == geist, james writes: gj> Hmmm.....What's the problem? I haven't had a message from the list in gj> about a week. Talk to your provider; they were the ones refusing to deliver mail from the list to you. As a general rule, when mail to you comes back undeliverable you are removed from the list. I generally wait a few days because most Internet providers are pretty clueless and tend to screw up quite a bit, but if your mail bounces for more than a couple of days you will be removed. I keep the bounce messages around for a week and then I delete them. gj> I checked with my provider to see if something was wrong with my gj> e-mail. No trouble found. They're lying to you. Unfortunately you've waited too long and all of the bounces that I save have been deleted, so I can't prove it to you. Sorry. You're free to join up again. If your provider bounces the mail again, you will be removed again. - J< -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:58:43 -0800 From: Julie Hendrix To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: Initial E-mail to y'all Hello! I am a new subscriber and I want to tell you a little story . . . I have owned a pearl white 1990 PC (has 56 k) for a year and I love it. My husband rides a silver ST1100 and he's really happy with his bike too. Well, last Thursday (March 12) was our 10th anniversary. Typically, he is very generous and I wanted to get him something nice, so I got him a drill press (because I don't think the anti-appliance rule applies to men) and he got me a very nice sweat shirt. Now, mind you, I have gone back to college and am not working so this seemed fairly equitable and I was pleased to have "one-upped" him. I had school that night and we decided I should go instead of dinner since it is an accelerated course. I don't know how many of you are catching the CHiPS reruns on TNT in the a.m. but the husband is taping them religiously. He had requested that I come home early enough that night that we could watch an episode for an anniversary do-together thing, albeit 10:30 at night. Well, it didn't seem odd to me until I came home and the house was dark. "Oh, I guess he was too tired to stay up" I think, as I put down my keys and turn on a light. "Hey, what the heck is the dining table doing way over here?" Well, it was pushed over to make room for . . . my new RED 1997 PC! Red, even! Wow! I love red and he hates the color. He really was thinking of me. Obviously, I screamed and ran over to jump on. (He was behind the bike videoing the event). There was a whole week of subterfuge and planning . . . little things he'd said that all of the sudden made sense. He had to even take the mirrors off to get it in the door! Well, I hope to see you all out on the road someday. Just look for the red PC, the silver ST and the sign that says "Ten Years . . . and counting!" PC'n you, Julie Hendrix -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m3.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id RdN07999; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:13:47 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: aslankid@earthlink.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:13:16 -0800 Subject: Re: PC800: Initial E-mail to y'all From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy) Nice story, Julie! Thanks for sharing. Good man you have there. Richard Hardy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:19:49 -0800 To: PC800 List Server From: Guy & Sonya Subject: PC800: PCs at Hayward Honda (FYI) I was up at Hayward Honda (in CA) and they have the '97 PC800 for MSRP of $6,499. They said they would do $7,400 out the door (don't you love that 8.25% state tax). They also had a '90 PC800 with 19K miles on it. It was in very good shape. I didn't ask the price. (and yes, Tim, I had them install my new Works Performance springs in the front - what a difference!) -Guy Chinn (Fremont, CA) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Moe davis1 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:57:49 EST To: chinn@thegrid.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List Server) Subject: Re: PC800: PCs at Hayward Honda (FYI) how was the service??? I need to get my stator replaced, I'm looking for a place to do it.... -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:54:20 -0800 To: "Roy Thomassen" From: Greg Chambers Subject: Re: PC800: New Subscriber Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Welcome to the list, Roy, and congratulations for getting what is no doubt a *great* deal on a great bike! - Greg Chambers At 10:36 AM 3/16/98 -0800, you wrote: > >Hello all, > >I am a new subscriber to the list. > >Name: Roy Thomassen >Location: San Jose, CA >Email: rthomass@ccmail.com >PC Model year: 1996 >Bought New/Used : New (leftover) on March 12, 1998 >Modifications made to the bike: Tall Honda windscreen, Honda passenger backrest >on order. > >I have 168 miles on the bike as of yesterday afternoon. The 4000rpm limit for >breakin is a real PITA. I can only go 52-55mph on the freeway. Around here >that is 20mph slower than traffic!! > >I am interested in finding out what suspension modifications are recommended. >Any info about aftermarket exhaust and jetting would be of interest as well. > >The bike rides really nice with just me. With my 100 lb. wife on the back the >rear suspension is a bit "soft" and bottomed out over medium bumps. I'll twist >the preload up from 2 to 4 and try again. > >Any other members in the SF Bay area that would like to get together for a >"network of PCs" ride sometime soon? > >Blue Skies, > >Roy T. > > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:00:01 -0800 To: aslankid@earthlink.net From: Greg Chambers Subject: Re: PC800: Initial E-mail to y'all Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Julie - Congratulations. Sounds like you're a very lucky lady, in more ways than one. - Greg Chambers At 01:58 PM 3/16/98 -0800, you wrote: >Hello! I am a new subscriber and I want to tell you a little story . . >Well, it was pushed over to make room for . . . my new RED 1997 >PC! Red, even! Wow! I love red and he hates the color. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:47:37 -0600 From: Steve Wilson To: Richard A Hardy CC: aslankid@earthlink.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Initial E-mail to y'all Good man nothing! Sounds more like a terrific lady. Steve Wilson Ruston LA 95 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:47:46 -0800 To: Moe davis1 From: Guy & Sonya Subject: PC800: PCs at Hayward Honda (FYI) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >how was the service??? I need to get my stator replaced, I'm looking for a >place to do it.... Moe, The service was good. They took a bit longer than they had estimated but they stuck to their price estimate. I feel they treated me fairly. -Guy -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:48:17 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Tom Ambrosio Subject: PC800: Bought JT's PC Ok, it wasn't really JT's '95 PC, but it was one in his hometown I presume. It was a 120 mile trip to Clarksville, TN for me and I only had to drive the bike 3 miles to know that was the bike I would be making the 120 mile trip back home on. It was the first PC I have seen, other than pix, so it only made sense that I should buy it. I didn't get quite as good of a deal as I would have liked but the bike rode perfectly, had only 2500 miles on the odometer and had a Cycle Comm CB/intercom that is ready to go once I get some helmet headsets. The drive home was uneventful except that the further north and the later it got, the colder I got. I can't believe how quiet the bike is. I had to constantly watch the spedo as I kept creeping into the ticket zone and since my insurance agent was closed before I made the trip home...well you get the point. I had enough sense to bring long johns and a sweatshirt but I forgot to wear thermal socks and I just had on my sneakers. We got home at 6:30PM and it was 35F and I was cold... The bike has some customization that I wouldn't have performed myself but like JT said, they are tastefully done. I don't understand why the bike has speakers because when I hooked up a portable CD player to the line input of the cycle comm system, I can hear the music but it isn't loud enough. I assume the cycle comm system doesn't include any real amplification but how did the previous owner use the speakers? Perhaps it was loud enough to hear the CB and that's all he wanted to do?? Anyway, once I sell my '81 CB750, I will pickup 2 sets of headsets. Any recommendations? How are J&M's headsets? Any particular model to get or avoid? One thing that I'm not happy about is the odometer apparently was reset. I got the bike home and was looking through the owner's manual and noticed that the owner did all the maintenance excluding the first 600mi break-in which he actually had done at 800 miles. He apparently reset the odometer at 13K when he replaced the spedo cable. So my bike which reads 2500 on the odometer actually has over 15K miles. I approached the dealer and he apologized and said he knew nothing about it. I tend to believe him because he could have easily removed the manual from the bike before the sale. I tried to get a couple hundred bucks back but that didn't work. Unfortunately, these bikes are a little too scarce for fierce negotiations. How much is a Cycle Comm CB/intercom worth? The actual hardware is in the trunk and there's a nice control panel mounted on the bottom of the tank. It switches between speakers/headphones, CB/intercom, squelch, CB volume, etc and has a 40 channel LED display. Well, there's no sense crying over spilt milk, so now that I tried to get what I thought was a more fair price for the bike, I am just gonna enjoy my purchase...but if anyone wants to tell me the Cycle Comm system is worth a lot of money, I will be happy. Tom Ambrosio Evansville, IN '95 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 01:47:09 -0500 To: Tom Ambrosio , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Bought JT's PC At 10:48 PM -0600 3/16/98, Tom Ambrosio wrote: >One thing that I'm not happy about is the odometer apparently >was reset. I got the bike home and was looking through the >owner's manual and noticed that the owner did all the >maintenance excluding the first 600mi break-in which he actually >had done at 800 miles. He apparently reset the odometer at 13K >when he replaced the spedo cable. So my bike which reads 2500 >on the odometer actually has over 15K miles. I approached the >dealer and he apologized and said he knew nothing about it. I >tend to believe him because he could have easily removed the >manual from the bike before the sale. I tried to get a couple >hundred bucks back but that didn't work. Unfortunately, these >bikes are a little too scarce for fierce negotiations. > Where I come from, resetting an odometer is illegal, and if one is ever replaced due to malfunction, then a written declaration MUST accompany any bill of sale. I would have demanded a full refund, or at least a suitable discount. Just my opinion... fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:05:49 -0800 From: Phil Lewis To: aslankid@earthlink.net CC: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: PC800: Initial E-mail to y'all Congratulations Julie! That sure beats the "ole necklace/earings" present that I got my wife for our 23rd anniversary, yesterday. Maybe I'll give her a PC for our 25th! Now, if I could just get her to enjoy riding!! :-) Congrats again, Phil ************* *Phil Lewis * *'90 PC * *"Delta Red"* *So. Cal. * ************* ----------------------- Julie Hendrix wrote: "Hey, what the heck is the dining table doing way over here?" Well, it was pushed over to make room for . . . my new RED 1997 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Bought JT's PC Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:30:05 -0500 I have a question. How do you rest the speedometer? Other than replacing it or exceeding 100K. At least it's closer to being broken in.-:) Roger > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Ambrosio [SMTP:tambrosi@evansville.net] > Sent: Monday, March 16, 1998 11:48 PM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: Bought JT's PC > One thing that I'm not happy about is the odometer apparently > was reset. I got the bike home and was looking through the > owner's manual and noticed that the owner did all the > maintenance excluding the first 600mi break-in which he actually > had done at 800 miles. He apparently reset the odometer at 13K > when he replaced the spedo cable. So my bike which reads 2500 > on the odometer actually has over 15K miles. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by ernie.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id HAA01030 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:00:29 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Bought JT's PC Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:00:01 -0800 >One thing that I'm not happy about is the odometer apparently .>was reset. I got the bike home and was looking through the >owner's manual and noticed that the owner did all the >maintenance excluding the first 600mi break-in which he actually >had done at 800 miles. He apparently reset the odometer at 13K >when he replaced the spedo cable. So my bike which reads 2500 >on the odometer actually has over 15K miles. I approached the >dealer and he apologized and said he knew nothing about it. I >tend to believe him because he could have easily removed the >manual from the bike before the sale. I tried to get a couple >hundred bucks back but that didn't work. Unfortunately, these >bikes are a little too scarce for fierce negotiations. > Tom: I think this is illegal. Generally a used vehicle must include a statement that the mileage shown on the odometer is representative of the actual mileage, or that it is not. This is even true for private sales. I think it is on the title, but I can't exactly remember. If the dealer misrepresented this, it is a violation of the law. The dealer is guilty of fraud. (Or perhaps the original owner neglected to fill out the paper work correctly.) In either case, you have been cheated; furthermore, the law explicitly recognizes this form of cheating so you have recourse. I would explain the situation to the dealer, give them the chance to correct the title and give you a steep discount, or I would report them to the attorney general. The fraud division of the local police would also be interested. Don't let someone break the law and benefit. They will only be emboldened to cheat the next person too. My insurance company recently pegged the difference between 2800 miles and 14,800* miles at $760 (which was ten percent of the value of the bike). Todd Vierheller Blue '96 BMW R1100RTL, "Rain Dancer" 206-930-3110 (Work) 425-488-0851 (Home) vierhel@ibm.net (Home Office) Y2K Project Office Year 2000 -- Resistance is Futile * Slightly less than 15,000 miles, I can't remember exactly. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'pc800 list'" Subject: PC800: Self canceling turn signals Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:18:02 -0500 My self canceling turn signals are working fine now that my speed is greater than 0 mph. That was caused by a broken speedometer cable. It broke exactly seven inches from the bottom in the middle of the 90+ degree bend. Roger '95 PC800 (34,070 and counting...again) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:22:37 -0800 (PST) From: John La Subject: PC800: Re: speedo reset To: pclist Tom- Even if the dealer didn't know, they are responsible. They are the professionals, and should have known. In any case, your contract was with the dealer for a certain item at a certain price. You did not get what you paid for. I've worked for several car dealers. In my dealings with them, I've had occasion to deal with a large number of people in the automotive industry. Based on my experience as a customer of bike dealers, they are very similar. Fact #1- Car salesman lie a lot. Not all, but certainly most of the ones I've known. I've seen training videos instructing salesman to outright lie to the customer. Not bend the truth. Out-right Lie. Fact #2- Right now there are people in jail for lying about odometer statements. The dealer doesn't want investigators pouring over his books. He WILL give you a discount. I think most judges would give you at least 3x the actual damages. Fact #3- The dealer is not your friend. He didn't sell you the bike cause he likes you. If he thought he could get $50 more from someone else, he would not have sold you the bike. Fact #4- If the dealer found out that you "accidently" or for whatever reason, made your check out for $800 less than you agreed, he wouldn't just forget about it. My 2cents worth of advice (I'm not a lawyer)- Don't go back. Decide how much $$$ you want and send a demand letter to the OWNER of the dealership (certified mail). Make it clear that you are not discussing or negotiating. Give him 5 days to FED-X you a check. Don't threaten, but be firm. They may send less than you ask for, or nothing. I wouldn't include my phone number in the letter. If you don't have the amount you want (or will settle for) in your hand in 5 days, file a small claims suit (usually costs less than $20 to file) and notify the Attorney General. There are far too many law suits in this country, but if ever one was justified, this is it! I'd probably notify the Attorney General either way to deter that dealer and others who do the same thing daily. The word will pass quickly. If the the prior owner really didn't disclose the speedo reset to the dealer, the dealer can choose to go after the prior owner. I'd bet the prior owner did disclose, but that is not your problem. The PC is a great bike, and might be worth more than you paid in terms or the pleasure it brings. It's a pity that motorcyclists have to put up with arrogant dealers, and you are in a position to possibly make a difference for other motorcyclists in your area. Good luck, and ride safe. John ---Tom Ambrosio wrote: --------8<------ > One thing that I'm not happy about is the odometer apparently > was reset. I got the bike home and was looking through the > owner's manual and noticed that the owner did all the > maintenance excluding the first 600mi break-in which he actually > had done at 800 miles. He apparently reset the odometer at 13K > when he replaced the spedo cable. So my bike which reads 2500 > on the odometer actually has over 15K miles. I approached the > dealer and he apologized and said he knew nothing about it. I > tend to believe him because he could have easily removed the > manual from the bike before the sale. I tried to get a couple > hundred bucks back but that didn't work. Unfortunately, these > bikes are a little too scarce for fierce negotiations. >-----8<------- _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:35:40 -0600 From: Steve Wilson To: Tom Ambrosio CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Bought JT's PC Tom I just talked to my dealer and he said he wouldn't comment in any way because it involved FEDERAL LAW and he wouldn't give any advice. He did say you should take it up with the dealer and the dealer would have to take it up with the previous owner. I would say it sounds like you may have a dealer and a previous owner in a bad spot. I think the first place I would go would be the state attorney general.You may be in for a lot more than a couple hundred dollars in compensation. Don't drop it. The dealer screwed up and you shouldn't be the one paying for it. Let us know how it goes. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:39:44 -0600 From: Steve Wilson To: "Prince, Roger" CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Bought JT's PC I forgot to include in my reply to Tom that my dealer said the only way to reset the odometer was to replace it or run it forward to 000000. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:39:22 -0800 (PST) From: Amy Rottier Donovan Subject: Re: PC800: Initial E-mail to y'all To: aslankid@earthlink.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Congratulations, Julie!! That's quite a guy you've got. Enjoy your new bike! Oh yeah - and congrats on the 10 years, too! Amy ---Julie Hendrix wrote: > > Hello! I am a new subscriber and I want to tell you a little story . . > . I have owned a pearl white 1990 PC (has 56 k) for a year and I love > it. My husband rides a silver ST1100 and he's really happy with his > bike too. Well, last Thursday (March 12) was our 10th anniversary. > Typically, he is very generous and I wanted to get him something nice, > so I got him a drill press (because I don't think the anti-appliance > rule applies to men) and he got me a very nice sweat shirt. Now, mind > you, I have gone back to college and am not working so this seemed > fairly equitable and I was pleased to have "one-upped" him. I had > school that night and we decided I should go instead of dinner since it > is an accelerated course. > > I don't know how many of you are catching the CHiPS reruns on TNT in the > a.m. but the husband is taping them religiously. He had requested that > I come home early enough that night that we could watch an episode for > an anniversary do-together thing, albeit 10:30 at night. Well, it > didn't seem odd to me until I came home and the house was dark. "Oh, I > guess he was too tired to stay up" I think, as I put down my keys and > turn on a light. "Hey, what the heck is the dining table doing way over > here?" Well, it was pushed over to make room for . . . my new RED 1997 > PC! Red, even! Wow! I love red and he hates the color. He really > was thinking of me. Obviously, I screamed and ran over to jump on. (He > was behind the bike videoing the event). There was a whole week of > subterfuge and planning . . . little things he'd said that all of the > sudden made sense. He had to even take the mirrors off to get it in the > door! > > Well, I hope to see you all out on the road someday. Just look for the > red PC, the silver ST and the sign that says "Ten Years . . . and > counting!" > > PC'n you, > Julie Hendrix > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > == ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Amy Elizabeth Rottier Donovan Platypus69@yahoo.com aka Platypus How many surrealists does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Two. One to hold the giraffe and the other to fill the bathtub with brightly colored machine tools. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Mail SMTP Gateway 3.0 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu); Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:49:08 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Turner, Andrew R (Andy)" To: pclist Subject: RE: PC800: Re: speedo reset Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:30:55 -0600 John wrote,........... ........................ > ---------- >From: John La[SMTP:johnla@yahoo.com] >Sent: 17 March 1998 17:22 >To: pclist >Subject: PC800: Re: speedo reset > >Tom- >Even if the dealer didn't know, they are responsible. They are the >professionals, and should have known. In any case, your contract was >with the dealer for a certain item at a certain price. You did not > I agree with all the guys on the list who have urged you to ask for some form of compensation for the speedo error but don't let this detract you from enjoying your new PC as it seems you have managed to find a good one even if it has a few more miles on it than you thought. Enjoy it...... Andy -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Akoell Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:21:44 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Oil & Filter Change What pieces of plastic have to be removed to get at the drain plug and oil filter. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m3.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id RPT17186; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:41:43 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Akoell@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:40:27 -0800 Subject: Re: PC800: Oil & Filter Change From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy) None. Richard Hardy On Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:21:44 EST Akoell writes: >What pieces of plastic have to be removed >to get at the drain plug and oil filter. >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:48:14 -0800 (PST) From: John La Subject: PC800: for Torrnado of N.Hollywood... To: pclist Torr- It seems I can no longer get e-mail to you through your AOL account. In case you don't know your mail ain't working, I'll post this to the group. Sorry group. That sounds great- We'll look forward to meeting you. Yeah, Reseda is about 4-5 miles west of the 405. If you exit on Mulholland and turn left there is a park and ride lot. I'll meet you there around 7am. If I'm not there by 7:15, leave without me. If all goes according to plan, Gale will be riding a rented BMW (kind of an extended test drive), and I'll have my beloved '89 PC. John ---Torrnado wrote: > > John & Gayle, > > I just may join you on your trek March 21. Reseda is just over the hill in > the San Fernando Valley, isn\'t it? Let me know where a workable place to meet > you two would be. I imagine that if Reseda is where I think it is, we could > meet at 7:25-7:30 at Sunset, Wilshire or Olympic Boulevard exits and then head > on down together. > > Let me know... > > Torr Melling > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:54:09 -0800 From: Phil Lewis To: Akoell CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Oil & Filter Change Hi Akoell! You don't need to remove any body panels, however you will need an oil filter attachment socket. It wasn't very expensive; just a few dollars. I don't know what the size is, but if you take your new filter to an auto parts supply store, then you can find one to fit. Take care, Phil Akoell wrote: > What pieces of plastic have to be removed > to get at the drain plug and oil filter. > -- ************* *Phil Lewis * *'90 PC * *"Delta Red"* *So. Cal. * ************* -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: LRaeMiller Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:48:08 EST To: tambrosi@evansville.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Bought JT's PC How about some good news - the Cycle Comm 1400 CB that is on your bike costs $859 but when I talked with them a couple of weeks ago it was on sale for $799. Mine has an amplifier that will make the speaker sound as loud as on the Gold Wings, etc. I am giving up my Cycle Comm with my 89 and looking to put a new one in the 90 that I just got - the replacement cost is about to change my mind. I can change out the entire dash plastic that was altered to install the CB for only about $250 and just put the old Cycle Comm set up in the newer bike. If you want to contact Cycle Comm about the amplifier, their # is 1-800-527-6798. Enjoy your PC!! Lynda 90 PC, 10210 miles - hope it warms up soon!! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:25:53 -0600 From: Steve Wilson To: Roy Thomassen CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: New Subscriber Welcome to the list. You are right about the break in speed. The archives can tell you more about suspension mods. I have seen a few references to front springs and rear shocks making a big difference but haven't followed it close enough to recommend. As far as I know no exhaust or jetting changes have been made. Archives may be a good place to check. Enjoy and just jump up off the bike before each bump like I do to solve the bottoming problem. Steve Wilson Ruston LA 95 PC800. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:55:32 -0800 To: rthomass@ccmail.com From: Guy & Sonya Subject: PC800: suspension Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Roy, I bought a '89 last August and it bottomed out just sitting in my driveway looking at it. It has 47k miles on it. Somebody must have been hard on it before I got it. I put some Works Performance rear shocks on it myself and it made a dramatic difference. Yesterday, I had a Honda dealer install the Works Performance fork spring kit (#3402) and oil and the front is like new (or better?). I'm very happy. The problem is that I don't know what to tell you about how much (or if) it is better than stock? I have never ridden a stock PC800. If you are interested, Works Performance can be reached on (818) 701-1010 - Canoga Park, CA. They were very easy to deal with. They will pre-set you rear shocks to meet your needs/style and the fork spring kit has three options as well. The rear shocks can be air adjusted and refurbished down the road. Hope it helps. Good luck... -Guy Chinn (Fremont, CA) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA24823 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:11:10 -0600 (CST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:11:10 -0600 (CST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Dave Lott Subject: PC800: Making the Move - 89 PC For Sale Well gang, after several weeks of serious contemplation I have decided to put the PC up for sale. I have put just over 1,000 miles on the Valkyrie since late January and continue to appreciate its power and smoothness. As I had said before, I never thought I would have another m/c besides the PC; but I never expected Debbie to surprise me with the Valkyrie. So here are the essentials: 1989 PC, 23K miles, Corbin seat and backrest installed in Fall 96. Still have stock seat in perfect condition. Tall Hondaline windshield. Body and mechanics in perfect condition. Some extras including service manual, trunk liners. $3,800. Located in Atlanta GA area. If you know anyone interested, please let me know. Ride as if your life depended on it! \ Dave Lott \\ .__=. \ \____ ,' -(@)\-\<) Marietta, GA \__ \ (_______/_:\ >==.\ \___,' /# #\ | : \____ 1989 PC ,\\\___/|_|##(O)##| `./\---. / ,`--' ,======'//, //.\ . \ ( ______)_//<_> O//// ( (@O ) ) (________/ ====='o' \ `-' / `----' `---' -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: PC800: the bike is in..so is the snow storm! Date: Tue, 17 Mar 98 19:41:07 -0600 From: "Paul B. Atkins" To: "pc 800 list" Hello, After a what seems like a long wait, the new "96" pc 800 has arrived at the dealer. Today, I sat on it, started it up, admired it, picked up the owners manual and the vin so I can insure it. Just off the top, I liked the "thumpa thumpa" sound that is a bit different than the "78 CB 750 I can now sell! Also arriving today is another spring storm with snow, sleet and ice forecast. Let's hope it all clears out soon so I can get the bike home to the garage and on the street! Paul -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:18:56 -0600 From: Steve Wilson To: Guy & Sonya CC: rthomass@ccmail.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: suspension I just talked to Works about the shocks and springs for the PC. He said the air fitting on the shock is for charging the shock with Nitrogen and oil at the factory, not for the air pump at 7/11. He seemed very knowledgable and helpfull. He quoted a price of $279 a pair for the rear and $89 for the front. Custom rates for the rear is $25 extra. He said its about a 3 week wait to build them because they are made just for you when you order them. If this weather would clear up so I can wear out the stock set I have now I would like to try a set. Steve Wilson Ruston LA 95 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:55:08 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Tom Ambrosio Subject: PC800: Odometer falsification >I agree with all the guys on the list who have urged you to ask for >some form of compensation for the speedo error but don't let this detract >you from enjoying your new PC as it seems you have managed to find a good >one even if it has a few more miles on it than you thought. I did ask for some compensation but he wouldn't budge. He said the Cycle Comm system more than made up for the difference. If I really wanted to, I would be able to return the bike as I didn't get what I signed a contract for. But the problem is I like the bike and the dealer knows it... Also, I don't know that the owner's manual would be legal evidence as it's not signed by the owner. The defense could say that I forged the manual. I guess if a dealer did the install of the new odometer, there would be records. Either way, I don't see how the dealer could be held accountable. I could force him for a refund though. A member suggested sending a certified letter to the dealer demanding X amount of dollars and possibly filing a claim with the attorney general. I may pursue this option. I'm going to wait a few more days until the title arrives so I can see what the odometer reading is on the title. Tom Ambrosio tambrosi@evansville.net PGP Key: http://pgp5.ai.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x55692B19 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:22:55 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Tom Ambrosio Subject: PC800: Odometer tampering >You might keep in mind that odometer tampering is a federal offense in the >United States and if this guy was the original owner, it only follows that he >did the tampering. You might speak to a lawyer if you want to pursue it >further, but you definitely have a case if the above is true. No that's the problem, the bike was a trade to the dealer and I bought it from the dealer so the dealer isn't the criminal. I guess I could summon the proper authorities and get access to the dealers records to pursue the criminal. Instead, I'm just gonna move on... Now if the bike actually had 50K miles on it, this would be much different. Tom Ambrosio tambrosi@evansville.net PGP Key: http://pgp5.ai.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x55692B19 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:17:21 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Tom Ambrosio Subject: PC800: Replaced Spedo cable >Where I come from, resetting an odometer is illegal, and if one is ever >replaced due to malfunction, then a written declaration MUST accompany any >bill of sale. I would have demanded a full refund, or at least a suitable >discount. > > >Just my opinion... > Yes, it is illegal but the dealer is in the clear if he didn't know about it. He signed a odometer disclosure statement that reads, "...and to the best of my knowledge that it reflects the actual mileage of the vehicle described below..." I guess I could absolutely demand my money back but the problem is I like the bike. If the Cycle Comm system that came with the bike is truly worth $800-1200 as was quoted to me by a member on this list (the dealer said $1000), than the deal is more palatable. It still was a little dishearting though... Tom Ambrosio tambrosi@evansville.net PGP Key: http://pgp5.ai.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x55692B19 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: markm@morland.aa.net (Mark Morland) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: New member on the list Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 04:43:18 GMT On Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:58:02 -0500, you wrote: >... Anyone on this list thinking about touring Europe this >summer? That would be me! I have a current quote for me to air ship a bike to Europe (one way) at $750 US. This would be shipping from Vancouver, BC, Canada. That is only 3 hours from me. My current bike is an old CBR 1000, but that is not what I want to tour on. I am considering ST1100/Concours/PC800 or an old Moto Guzzi. In all likelyhood if I ship a bike over, it will be sold there. I would like to correspond with anyone who can provide guidance on the values of these bikes, and the red tape/taxes and liabilities involved. I have the book 'Moto Europa' (also available on the web) and one about touring Europe via motor-home. My current quotes on shipping and green card insurance are from 'Michael I. Mandell, Inc.' in Jericho, New York. The themes of my trip: motorcycling, jazz festivals, flying gliders (model and 'real'), breweries/pubs, and meeting people. I expect to fly over at the end of June, and spend 4-5 weeks in the UK and Europe. Cheers, Mark Morland Kent, WA, USA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:30:59 -0600 ; Wed, 18 Mar 98 10:30:44 CST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:30:43 -0600 From: Mark Gilb To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Radio Location I am thinking about installing a radio and speakers on my scooter. It sure looks like an AM/FM/Cassette would fit in the RH compartment of the fairing with a little persuasion. Has anyone else tried this location ? Also, does the group have a specific Name / Model No. recommendation on speakers ? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:10:53 -0800 From: Julie Hendrix To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: status of the first PC . . . Thanks for all your positive reactions to our anniversary story. In response to E.Y., we do plan on selling the '90 Pearl and had anticipated waiting until closer to summer (market & all). But, if any folks in the southern CA area are interested before that, it is available for $2,500. Has the wing on back . . . sorry I don't have the nifty key strokes to draw it out for you here like Dave! PCn ya, Julie Hendrix -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:33:23 -0800 From: Julie Hendrix To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: response to Torr We live in Corona. And you? Julie Hendrix -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:43:43 -0800 From: Julie Hendrix To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: response to Torr It has 56k. Getting ready to put on the helmet & jacket in a few to drive it out to work in San Bernardino. Gotta make room in the garage for the new one :) Can you believe it's still in my livingroom? It's kinda like art! We have actually considered such a thing (w/a different bike) but would have to change over decor to a modern style. Maybe someday . . . Torrnado wrote: > West Hollywood (Los Angeles)... > > I'll let anyone know who's interested. How many miles again? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m3.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id OyD29998; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:06:45 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: aslankid@earthlink.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:06:00 -0800 Subject: Re: PC800: status of the first PC . . . From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy) Your "Pearl" has got to be an '89 Julie. '90's were Glory Candy Apple Red. Richard Hardy On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:10:53 -0800 Julie Hendrix writes: >Thanks for all your positive reactions to our anniversary story. In >response to E.Y., we do plan on selling the '90 Pearl and had >anticipated waiting until closer to summer (market & all). But, if >any >folks in the southern CA area are interested before that, it is >available for $2,500. Has the wing on back . . . sorry I don't have >the >nifty key strokes to draw it out for you here like Dave! > >PCn ya, >Julie Hendrix > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:13:52 -0800 From: Julie Hendrix To: Richard A Hardy CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: status of the first PC . . . One would think so. Remember what I said about hubby disliking red? Has been redone factory Pearl . . . Julie Richard A Hardy wrote: > Your "Pearl" has got to be an '89 Julie. '90's were Glory Candy Apple > Red. > > Richard Hardy > > On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:10:53 -0800 Julie Hendrix > writes: > >Thanks for all your positive reactions to our anniversary story. In > >response to E.Y., we do plan on selling the '90 Pearl and had > >anticipated waiting until closer to summer (market & all). But, if > >any > >folks in the southern CA area are interested before that, it is > >available for $2,500. Has the wing on back . . . sorry I don't have > >the > >nifty key strokes to draw it out for you here like Dave! > > > >PCn ya, > >Julie Hendrix > > > >-- > >Visit the PC800 web page at > >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > >a > >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: David Shumaker To: "'mark.a.gilb@boeing.com'" , "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: RE: PC800: Radio Location Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:06:55 -0800 Mark, Your idea interests me. I'd like to hear or even see how this works out for you. Good luck. And I hope you get some good recommendations from the more experienced PC owners on the list. Dave Puyallup, Washington '97 Pacific Coast -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Mark Gilb [SMTP:mark.a.gilb@boeing.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 8:31 AM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Radio Location I am thinking about installing a radio and speakers on my scooter. It sure looks like an AM/FM/Cassette would fit in the RH compartment of the fairing with a little persuasion. Has anyone else tried this location ? Also, does the group have a specific Name / Model No. recommendation on speakers ? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. <19980318.110619.3622.2.RAHardy@juno.com> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:00:25 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: status of the first PC . . . At 11:13 AM -0800 3/18/98, Julie Hendrix wrote: >One would think so. Remember what I said about hubby disliking red? Has >been redone factory Pearl . . . >Julie > > Wow. Now there's one heck of a deal for someone who prefers the colors of the 89 model, but doesn't want to go through the 'stator issue' fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m3.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id P|H29998; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:51:29 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: aslankid@earthlink.net Cc: rahardy@juno.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:32:45 -0800 Subject: Re: PC800: status of the first PC . . . From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy) "My humble apologies" -- he said with red face. Richard Hardy On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:13:52 -0800 Julie Hendrix writes: >One would think so. Remember what I said about hubby disliking red? >Has >been redone factory Pearl . . . >Julie > >Richard A Hardy wrote: > >> Your "Pearl" has got to be an '89 Julie. '90's were Glory Candy >Apple >> Red. >> >> Richard Hardy >> >> On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:10:53 -0800 Julie Hendrix > >> writes: >> >Thanks for all your positive reactions to our anniversary story. >In >> >response to E.Y., we do plan on selling the '90 Pearl and had >> >anticipated waiting until closer to summer (market & all). But, if >> >any >> >folks in the southern CA area are interested before that, it is >> >available for $2,500. Has the wing on back . . . sorry I don't >have >> >the >> >nifty key strokes to draw it out for you here like Dave! >> > >> >PCn ya, >> >Julie Hendrix >> > >> >-- >> >Visit the PC800 web page at >> >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body >of >> >a >> >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >> >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >> > >> >> >_____________________________________________________________________ >> You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >> Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >> Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >> >> -- >> Visit the PC800 web page at >> To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body >of a >> message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >> To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:23:29 -0600 From: Steve Wilson To: Richard A Hardy CC: aslankid@earthlink.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: status of the first PC . . . <35101CEF.8C3B2ED5@earthlink.net> <19980318.125100.3622.0.RAHardy@juno.com> Red face over factory white I assume. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:29:29 -0600 From: Steve Wilson To: aslankid@earthlink.net CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: response to Torr I told my wife when I first saw the 89s that if I got one the back door would be widened and the bike would be parked in the corner of the den with spotlights as in a art museum. Lucky for her we couldn't afford one at the time. Now that I have a 95 I can't afford the house conversion. Steve Wilson Ruston LA 95 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:28:08 -0900 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu, "Estes, Cory S" From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC800: Quality Control and greetings At 23:39 3/6/98 -0800, you wrote: >Interesting thought. Could this also be akin to the "Monday Cars >Syndrome" as it pertained to the assembly lines in Detroit years ago? >Supposedly research had been done which indicated that cars built on a >Monday were the worst and the best cars came off the lines on Thursday >(if my memory serves correctly on the day). Plain old human error and >sloppiness attributed to not wanting to go back to work on Monday...... Tim, this could be it, but I doubt it given the Japanese penchant for excellence in manufacture. Yes, the PC was designed in the US, but it is still built over in Nippon. I could be wrong though. Hello folks. I just came back from a "business" trip to Mexico. It was terrifing at times. What we call lane-splitting here people do it there with automobiles, trucks and buses with little regard for lane markings (heck, for any traffic signal, light, arrow, sign, you name it!) Let's just say that I'd rather chuck my PC off a cliff than ride it in Mexico City or Cuernavaca. The highways are a different thing though. The most numerous bikes I saw were ubiquitous Hondas and Yamahas in the 125 to 250 cc range, almost all of them with tail mounted boxes for delivery purposes (there the Domino's Pizza challenge of: "To you in 30 minutes or it's free" still lives.) I was glad to see that 90% of the delivery guys wore helmets, but dissapointed that very few other riders did. To each his own, however. Powerful V-4 two-strokes such as the RZ500 and RGV 500 Gamma are common. I saw a group of BMWs plus an FJ1200 and a Bandit 1200 on the road from Puebla to Cuernavaca. Anyone we know? Glad to be back home, wading through some 370 messages. Take care everyone. Juan Inside every small problem is a big one trying to get government funding. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '91 Suzuki VX800 University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA27832 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:04:20 -0600 (CST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:04:20 -0600 (CST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Dave Lott Subject: PC800: Red Faced "My humble apologies" -- he said with red face. (that changes to an ashen white resembling a valuable pearl) Richard Hardy On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:13:52 -0800 Julie Hendrix writes: >One would think so. Remember what I said about hubby disliking red? >Has >been redone factory Pearl . . . >Julie Ride as if your life depended on it! \ Dave Lott \\ .__=. \ \____ ,' -(@)\-\<) Marietta, GA \__ \ (_______/_:\ >==.\ \___,' /# #\ | : \____ 1989 PC ,\\\___/|_|##(O)##| `./\---. / ,`--' ,======'//, //.\ . \ ( ______)_//<_> O//// ( (@O ) ) (________/ ====='o' \ `-' / `----' `---' -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: PC800: leather jacket/synthetic Date: Mon, 27 Aug 56 13:54:06 -0000 From: "Paul B. Atkins" To: "pc 800 list" , "Honda Sports Touring Assoc." , "CB 750" Ok folks..another jacket question. I am still considering a synthetic jacket..i.e aerostich for the armor, reflective features, gore tex weatherability, and temperature flexibility. But, I have also been considering leather. I have a heavy jacket that is really too warm for warmer temps. I bought it used. So, has anyone had experience with a good quality leather jacket with venting that keeps a leather jacket bearable in warm weather. I have a roadgear catalog for instance...anyone have one? So, is it the Darien jacket or a leather one? any information would be appreciated. thanks, Paul -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by PM03SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27035) 19 Mar 1998 02:11:21 +0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:40:53 -0600 From: Mike Ver Velde Subject: Re: PC800: suspension To: Guy & Sonya , rthomass@ccmail.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I notice my 89 suspension feels a bit mushy compared to my 90. Have 32k on it. Out of curiosity- approximately how much does it cost to get a suspension replaced? Mike V >I bought a '89 last August and it bottomed out just sitting in my driveway >looking at it. It has 47k miles on it. Somebody must have been hard on it >before I got it. I put some Works Performance rear shocks on it myself and >it made a dramatic difference. Yesterday, I had a Honda dealer install the >Works Performance fork spring kit (#3402) and oil and the front is like new >(or better?). I'm very happy. > >The problem is that I don't know what to tell you about how much (or if) it >is better than stock? I have never ridden a stock PC800. > >If you are interested, Works Performance can be reached on (818) 701-1010 - >Canoga Park, CA. They were very easy to deal with. They will pre-set you >rear shocks to meet your needs/style and the fork spring kit has three >options as well. The rear shocks can be air adjusted and refurbished down >the road. > >Hope it helps. Good luck... > >-Guy Chinn (Fremont, CA) > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: timmacy@juno.com by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id V[A07155; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:07:42 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 16:55:14 -0800 Subject: Re: PC800: Initial E-mail to y'all On Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:05:49 -0800 Phil Lewis writes: >Congratulations Julie! That sure beats the "ole necklace/earings" present that I >got my wife for our 23rd anniversary, yesterday. Maybe I'll give her a PC for our >25th! Hmmm, maybe that's it! I'll give Nan a Ducati ST2 for her birthday! Oh, yeah, she doesn't ride. Oh, darn, I'll have to ride them both! Tim _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: don draper Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:26:04 -0800 "leather jacket/synthetic" (Aug 28, 13:54) To: "Paul B. Atkins" , pc 800 list , "Honda Sports Touring Assoc." , CB 750 , cb750@mail.canadaweb.com Subject: PC800: Re: leather jacket/synthetic Are you looking for just a jacket? You can get all kinds of good leather jackets with armor. The nice thing about those is that they're pretty normal-looking. Have you considered an Aerostich Roadcrafter suit? They're pretty great; I have one. -Don On Aug 28, 13:54, "Paul B. Atkins" wrote: } Subject: leather jacket/synthetic > Ok folks..another jacket question. > I am still considering a synthetic jacket..i.e aerostich for the armor, > reflective features, gore tex weatherability, and temperature flexibility. > But, I have also been considering leather. I have a heavy jacket that is > really too warm for warmer temps. I bought it used. > So, has anyone had experience with a good quality leather jacket with > venting that keeps a leather jacket bearable in warm weather. I have a > roadgear catalog for instance...anyone have one? > So, is it the Darien jacket or a leather one? > any information would be appreciated. > thanks, > Paul >-- End of excerpt from "Paul B. Atkins" -- - Don Draper dond@sco.COM uunet!sco!dond Support Engineer - SCO Technical Support The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. - -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Robert Coulter" To: Cc: "Honda PC800 Group" Subject: Re: PC800: status of the first PC . . . Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:42:21 -0500 -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Julie Hendrix To: Richard A Hardy Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 2:16 PM Subject: Re: PC800: status of the first PC . . . >One would think so. Remember what I said about hubby disliking red? Has >been redone factory Pearl . . . >Julie > > Julie, Happy Anniversary and congratulations on your new PC! But maybe you shouldn't leave your husband alone with the new bike, if he dislikes red that much .... Enjoy, Karen Coulter '97 PC "Li'l Red" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: timmacy@juno.com by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id VZX07155; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:07:42 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 16:18:40 -0800 Subject: Re: PC800: Initial E-mail to y'all On Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:58:43 -0800 Julie Hendrix writes: >Hello! I am a new subscriber and I want to tell you a little story . < edited> I >guess he was too tired to stay up" I think, as I put down my keys and turn on a >light. "Hey, what the heck is the dining table doing way over here?" Well, it was >pushed over to make room for . . . my new RED 1997 PC! Julie, I'd say the new PC's a keeper and so is your husband! What a nice guy! now...could you maybe have him call my wife and mention that Ducati ST2 that I've been lusting after? No, the Stealth's a keeper too! I just have a "thing" for that ST2! It keeps calling to me..... Tim Macy Portland, OR The StealthMobile ('94 PC800) - 67,273 Miles "Winter is on my head, but eternal spring is in my heart." - Victor Hugo _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: timmacy@juno.com by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id VZW07155; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:07:42 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 16:12:03 -0800 Subject: Re: PC800: Boots On Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:07:25 EST GuntherSki writes: >Well, I would like to start another thread (not about the damn passing thing >again)... I have a pair of waterproof Sidi boots, with velcro closures that are >REALLY WARM and totally dry... cost about $220 and worth every dollar... Nan and I were at a local annual swap-type-thingee about six years ago and I picked up a pair of regular m/c-type 12" boots called Carolinas for $100. Regular heel; blunt toe, with decorative strap. Thick, quality leather, though. I knew they were good 'cause it took me it seems like 2 years to break 'em in! I've got small feet (8B) so I grab 'em when I find 'em. Unfortunately the tread is finally starting to go slick so I might have to start looking again... Tim Macy Portland, OR The StealthMobile ('94 PC800) - 67,273 Miles "Winter is on my head, but eternal spring is in my heart." - Victor Hugo _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: timmacy@juno.com by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id VZZ07155; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:07:42 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 16:52:52 -0800 Subject: Re: PC800: Bought JT's PC On Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:48:17 -0600 Tom Ambrosio writes: >One thing that I'm not happy about is the odometer apparently was reset. I got >the bike home and was looking through the owner's manual and noticed that the >owner did all the maintenance excluding the first 600mi break-in which he >actually had done at 800 miles. He apparently reset the odometer at 13K >when he replaced the spedo cable. So my bike which reads 2500 on the >odometer actually has over 15K miles. General question time, listers. Is it REALLY possible to re-set an odometer on the PC? Especially since it sounds like Tom's was run back. When my speedo gear unit went at 60K one of the things I did was take the instrument panel out and test the speedometer to make sure it wasn't broken before I tore the gear unit out. In analyzing the speedometer, it looked like it was nigh unto impossible to re-set the odometer, considering how the gears were set up. Its also a sealed unit. Under those circumstances, might it not have been possible for the previous owner to have also replaced the instrument panel? Except (answering my own question) it would probably have been a warranty repair on both the speedo cable and instrument panel and the dealer should have known about it. Any thoughts? Tim Macy Portland, OR The StealthMobile ('94 PC800) - 67,273 Miles "Winter is on my head, but eternal spring is in my heart." - Victor Hugo _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: timmacy@juno.com by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id V[D07155; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:07:43 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:39:22 -0800 Subject: PC800: Self-Cancelling Switch Shenanigans I want to throw something out to the list.... The Stealth, being a '94, has self-cancelling turn signals. Back in December, I had a problem with them. I was riding along and everything was fine, with the signals working normally. Then, with no warning, I hit the switch for a turn and the signal wouldn't self-cancel. This condition lasted to the end of the ride. Then, the next time I got on, they worked fine again. When it happened in December, I wrote it off to the rain (and perhaps slush) getting into the sensor unit in the front end. About a month later, I had the same problem, which only lasted the duration of that ride. It was also raining at the time. It didn't happen again until I rode down to San Francisco a month ago. And, once again, the self-cancelling just quit while I was riding over to Guy Chinn's house. It was quite disconcerting because I was riding in heavy 5PM-Friday San Francisco Bay traffic. However, since no one else was using turn signals, I doubt if anyone noticed! Then, when I was leaving Guy's house, they were working again. Last weekend was the 4th incident, so I've determined that it ultimately is going to quit for good on me. When the self-cancelling feature isn't working, the turn blinkers will come on and can be manually turned off. However, the switch is "mushy" and doesn't click into the various positions like it does when everything's working correctly. Originally I thought that it might be a corroded wire in the area of the sensor, but I'm beginning to wonder if it isn't the switch itself due to that mushiness. Any agreement or disagreement out there? Tim Macy Portland, OR The StealthMobile ('94 PC800) - 67,273 Miles "Winter is on my head, but eternal spring is in my heart." - Victor Hugo _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:22:26 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Richard A. Nadeau" Subject: RE: PC800: Radio Location Mark, I have also been looking into putting a radio on my 96 PC. The most economical way that I have found was the 3-IN-1 radio ( AM/FM/CB plus 10 weather bands). It comes with a mounting bracket and the pig tail for helmet speakers and a push to talk switch for the microphone. The bracket is clear plastic and can be mounted on the left handlebar through the plastic handlebar cover. It can run off of the 9 AA batteries or you can run a power line from the battery up through the hole in the left side fairing compartment. The radio can be easily removed and the only evidence left visible is the clear plastic mounting plate. I have used this radio on my Shadow and the radio works well and the controls and display are easy to read while you are riding. I have seen a PC with this setup and I am going to do the same as soon as the weather breaks unless I find a better solution. Richard Nadeau 96 PC - 900 miles and counting 'If you don't change the direction in which you are headed, you will end up where you are going.' At 11:06 AM 3/18/98 -0800, you wrote: >Mark, > >Your idea interests me. I'd like to hear or even see how this works out >for you. Good luck. And I hope you get some good recommendations from the >more experienced PC owners on the list. > >Dave >Puyallup, Washington >'97 Pacific Coast > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark Gilb [SMTP:mark.a.gilb@boeing.com] >Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 8:31 AM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: PC800: Radio Location > >I am thinking about installing a radio and speakers on my scooter. It >sure looks like an AM/FM/Cassette would fit in the RH compartment of the >fairing with a little persuasion. Has anyone else tried this location ? >Also, does the group have a specific Name / Model No. recommendation on >speakers ? >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.1-10 #18580) Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:52:42 CST by srvr0004.bizgroup.net (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:51:38 -0500 From: Steve & Diane Scudder Subject: PC800: No more Honda purchases. To: PC800 Listserve Here's an update to "The great wall of Honda" : After receiving bad treatment laced with a total lack of concern from Honda, I stopped in at the dealer today who sold me the PC800. I informed them that I'll do no more business with Honda and not to take it personally that I will not be spending the $25K at any Honda dealer. What a thrill it must be for a dealer to have a manufacturer represent the competition as well as they have! Honda just blew the deal for a new Shadow VLX Deluxe and a new GL1500 SE right out the window. I am still undecided about selling the PC800-I really like it so far ( 270 miles ) and have put "sweat equity" and extras into it. If I decide to sell, I will post a notice on the list for those who may be interested. Steve Scudder greyhound@bizgroup.net How could you not LOVE a Greyhound?! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: timmacy@juno.com by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id VZU07155; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:07:42 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 16:02:51 -0800 Subject: Re: PC800: MSF Course Locations 73-74,81-82,87-93 On Mon, 16 Mar 98 07:37:09 -0600 "Paul B. Atkins" writes: >When I called my local tech college and talked to them, they only offered the >basic course. It seems they only have one course, and that stays busy all >summer. When I finally did track down an experienced course, the coordinator >said that some folks sign up and don't show if the weather is nice..they'd rather >go ride. The second reason he gave was that experienced riders ego won't allow >feedback or teasing from friends if they go. As for me, I KNOW I have more to >learn and the courses are the best way for me to learn! Paul, you are sooo right. Actually, since you posted this, I wanted to follow up with a confession of my own. I currently am riding sans endorsement. Seems that in '95 when I was recovering from a nasty disease and even nastier subsequent open heart surgery, my drivers license with m/c endorsement expired and no one caught it seeing as that wasn't exactly a priority at the time. When I finally realized it, I contacted the DMV (over a year later) and, considering the circumstances, they renewed my license. However...they did not renew the endorsement. Said it had been over a year. (Yes, I realize the duplicity in those statements and no, it didn't matter). I could have taken the DMV test again, but I have two sons who ride and I have been wanting them to take the MSF course thru our local community college. So I decided to take it myself first to set an example. And, at least in Oregon (I'm sure its this way in most states) successful completion of the course earns an automatic exemption from the DMV test for the endorsement. So I have been trying to get into a course since this all came up about three months ago...and I have been amazed at the interest in motorcycling! I have also been delighted with it, but NOT while I'm trying to get into the course! Sidebar: The classes that I tried to get into and the one that I succeeded in entering have been at least 50% women and all ages of participants from teen to 70s. Most of the women indicated that they've been riding behind boyfriend/husband long enough and it's time that they got their own bikes. A 75-year-old man said he had just gone for a ride on the back of a friend's bike and it was so much fun he was gonna learn how to ride! I think that is all extremely exciting and bodes well for the future of our sport/passion. Well, at the beginning of Spring term, I registered for it and the course was already filled up until mid-April. So I started showing up on Friday nights and getting on the "reserved" list for a possible opening. Two weeks in a row I was thwarted in my attempts (and I was either #1 or #2 on the list!) but last Friday I was successful. So I've had one classroom session and one on-bike session. I've got...well...100,000 miles+ on bikes. I really don't know how many. But I'm self-taught (at age 12). I know that there are things that I probably am doing that are wrong or lazy. I went into this course knowing that it was elementary, but I also went in with an open mind. In the first riding session, I have been able to correct two small but very nagging things that I have been doing wrong--I knew that I wasn't doing it correctly (pertained to slow speed maneuvering) but couldn't quite put my finger on it. The instructor saw it right away and a small but significant weight adjustment fixed it. Interestingly, I know three of the instructors and have ridden with one in the past! Since I am experienced, they put me on a "loaner" bike that they didn't want to have dumped...but it's a 200cc dirt bike with knobbies and everything...including the high seat. What a difference from the Stealth! Its a torquey little devil... It's been fun, though, and VERY educational, because it also produced a mind-set on my part about beginning riders. I've been riding for so long that everything seems second-nature to me, but this experience is giving me a new appreciation for the literally hundreds of combinations of activities that goes into riding a motorcycle and how much a newbie has to learn before being let loose on the street. From now on, when I ride with people who are new to the sport, I will be extra-careful to accomodate their experience...or lack thereof. And my initial premise for taking the course also worked. Both of my sons are now interested in taking the course, and one of them is going to take my place in the April class that I'm registered for. Mike Jones, a friend of mine who has a '94 PC down McMinnville way, gave me a great idea. He gave his prospective son-in-law the MSF course as either a birthday or Christmas present...can't remember which. So I'm giving my sons theirs as presents. And when daughter Jessica decides to ride, she gets it too. Riding is a life-long learning experience. The minute I think that I know everything about riding/handling a bike is the day I'll park it. If I ever stop analyzing my skills and striving to perfect them, I'll be a danger to myself and others every time I try to ride within my limits. If I'm a perfect rider, I don't have limits, right? Tim Macy Portland, OR The StealthMobile ('94 PC800) - 67,273 Miles "Winter is on my head, but eternal spring is in my heart." - Victor Hugo _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:16:38 -0500 From: Jason To: timmacy@juno.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Boots I currently wear a pair of Carolinas when I ride the PC. I bought them for hiking/winter use... they're absolutely great. My pair is clearly not M/C desinged, though. The boots can go through anything, however. Oil/gas resistant (tested quite a bit), completely waterproof to halfway up the ankle (went fishing last winter and was standing in about 3" of water for almost an hour)... I didn't know they made boots specifically for motorcycling. Anyone know if they have a web presence? > Nan and I were at a local annual swap-type-thingee about six years ago > and I picked up a pair of regular m/c-type 12" boots called Carolinas for > $100. Regular heel; blunt toe, with decorative strap. Thick, quality > leather, though. I knew they were good 'cause it took me it seems like 2 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:19:18 -0500 From: Jason To: "Richard A. Nadeau" CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Radio Location Where are you getting the unit? Any idea if it will support an external FM antenna? (For RF CD-Changer) Richard A. Nadeau wrote: > > Mark, > > I have also been looking into putting a radio on my 96 PC. The most > economical way that I have found was the 3-IN-1 radio ( AM/FM/CB plus 10 > weather bands). It comes with a mounting bracket and the pig tail for helmet > speakers and a push to talk switch for the microphone. The bracket is clear -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:58:26 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Tom Ambrosio Subject: PC800: Spedo replacement >General question time, listers. Is it REALLY possible to re-set an >odometer on the PC? Especially since it sounds like Tom's was run back. Tim, I probably said reset when I should have probably said replaced... Tom Ambrosio Evansville, IN '95 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:21:24 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Tom Ambrosio Subject: PC800: 2-up on PC Tim, Glad to hear Nan doesn't refer to the PC as a "donor" cycle. My wife, Jennie hasn't been on my PC yet, as a matter of fact, I've only been on it for the 120 mile trip home on Saturday from the dealer. I'm trying to sell my '81 CB750 first and then I will transfer the plate over to the PC and get it insured. It's resting peacefully in the garage right now. If the weather gets nice all of a sudden and I haven't sold the CB750 in a week or so, that plan will have to go by the wayside. There's no way I'm gonna let the PC set idle for too long. :-) As soon as I sell the CB750, I will look into getting a pair of headsets so that Jennie will enjoy the ride even more. It will be much easier to talk to her and be safer as I won't be looking back saying "what?!" all the time. My PC doesn't have the passenger backrest so we'll have to see if Jennie trusts the PC and I. If not, it doesn't sound too expensive to add one. BTW, I like the name "Stealthmobile". I hope to get some pix of the bike this weekend. I don't know if I can get enough to fill a roll of film, but we will probably have to burn some film so that we can get the film developed before the PC is a classic. Tom Ambrosio Evansville, IN '95 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by PM03SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27035) 19 Mar 1998 05:03:04 +0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:00:25 -0600 From: Mike Ver Velde Subject: PC800: Vintage Motorcycle Days To: PC800 List BOUNDARY="Boundary_(ID_yEaf7ptZocmx/+LbSekYKw)" --Boundary_(ID_yEaf7ptZocmx/+LbSekYKw) Hi Everyone! I was thinking of throwing my 11 yr old son on the back of Moose and = heading out to the Vintage Motorcycle Days at Sonora CA the weekend of = April 24th. (you've seen the ads in the recent bike mags). Never been = to one of these events (Im only 11 months old to motorcycling- but = 15,000 fun miles during this time so far...). Anyone been to that event = in the past or the East coast one? Would you recommend it? Anyone else = going? Thanks in advance.=20 Mike V Stockton CA 89 Moose --Boundary_(ID_yEaf7ptZocmx/+LbSekYKw)
Hi Everyone!
I was thinking of throwing my 11 yr old son on the = back of=20 Moose and heading out to the Vintage Motorcycle Days at Sonora CA the = weekend of=20 April 24th.  (you've seen the ads in the recent bike mags).  = Never=20 been to one of these events (Im only 11 months old to motorcycling- but = 15,000=20 fun miles during this time so far...).  Anyone been to that event = in the=20 past or the East coast one?  Would you recommend it?  Anyone = else=20 going?
 
Thanks in advance.
 
Mike V
Stockton CA
89 Moose
--Boundary_(ID_yEaf7ptZocmx/+LbSekYKw)-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) 19 Mar 1998 05:12:28 +0000 (GMT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:07:49 -0600 From: Mike Ver Velde Subject: Re: PC800: Self-Cancelling Switch Shenanigans To: timmacy@juno.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Tim- Dont know if this will work, or if its any interest to you, but I still havent got rid of my totaled 90 in the garage. I could throw your way the horn/turn signal box and attatched wire thingamajig if that will solve your problem. Mike V Stockton Ca 89 Moose -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: timmacy@juno.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 9:05 PM Subject: PC800: Self-Cancelling Switch Shenanigans >Last weekend was the 4th incident, so I've determined that it ultimately >is going to quit for good on me. When the self-cancelling feature isn't >working, the turn blinkers will come on and can be manually turned off. >However, the switch is "mushy" and doesn't click into the various >positions like it does when everything's working correctly. Originally I >thought that it might be a corroded wire in the area of the sensor, but >I'm beginning to wonder if it isn't the switch itself due to that >mushiness. > >Any agreement or disagreement out there? > >Tim Macy >Portland, OR >The StealthMobile ('94 PC800) - 67,273 Miles > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:59:42 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:03:07 -0800 From: "Derek R. Famulak" To: "Paul B. Atkins" CC: pc 800 list , "Honda Sports Touring Assoc." , CB 750 Subject: PC800: Re: leather jacket/synthetic I haven't found one that suits both needs, so I have both! But if I could only have one, I would go with the synthetic simply because it rains here a lot!! Don't know about your weather!!! Paul B. Atkins wrote: > Ok folks..another jacket question. > I am still considering a synthetic jacket..i.e aerostich for the armor, > reflective features, gore tex weatherability, and temperature flexibility. > But, I have also been considering leather. I have a heavy jacket that is > really too warm for warmer temps. I bought it used. > So, has anyone had experience with a good quality leather jacket with > venting that keeps a leather jacket bearable in warm weather. I have a > roadgear catalog for instance...anyone have one? > So, is it the Darien jacket or a leather one? > any information would be appreciated. > thanks, > Paul -- Derek R. Famulak 250-592-1881 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:11:14 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Greg Chambers Subject: Re: PC800: Reset Odometer There's a word for resetting a speedo, and it's "Fraud". Your deal was with the dealer. Now that he knows he defrauded you, even inadvertently, he should give you your money back. THEN you can negotiate a fair price for a bike with 15k!! I would threaten him with Small Claims Court. WHat judge would side with him? Greg Chambers At 01:47 AM 3/17/98 -0500, you wrote: >At 10:48 PM -0600 3/16/98, Tom Ambrosio wrote: > > > >>One thing that I'm not happy about is the odometer apparently >>was reset. > >Where I come from, resetting an odometer is illegal, and if one is ever >replaced due to malfunction, then a written declaration MUST accompany any >bill of sale. I would have demanded a full refund, or at least a suitable >discount. > >Just my opinion... > >fsl > >(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) > >Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 >Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda > > HSTA Member Number 7470 > >(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ThZander Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 03:03:15 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Europe Hi ! Any more interests in visiting europe esp. germany this summer?? Don=B4t wait sending me a mail. thomas zander =0A -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:54:57 -0800 From: Julie Hendrix To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: [Fwd: PC800: status of the first PC . . .] --------------9D4207A2FFC533AD12C5B266 Evans Auto Care in San Bdo did the paint match to factory and color sanding. The cost was $720 (they did an EXCELLENT job matching the paint characteristics). Torr asked about the service logs and we really did not get servicing info. The first owner did the work himself and was moving out of state when we bought it. . . whatever he did have was packed up. I'd like to go to the Saturday run . . . John is working that a.m. so not sure yet. But, I must say that the corresponding map and So. CA PC site is fabulous! I can't believe the detail and the scanned pictures w/directions. Thanks for the invite! Hope to meet up with some of you good people someday soon. Scot Piper wrote: > Julie, > > Where did you have the bike repainted, and about what did it cost? I > have an '89 I am thinking about changing the color. Although the longer > I have it, the more I like the Pearl. > --------------9D4207A2FFC533AD12C5B266 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:08:34 -0800 From: Julie Hendrix To: scotp1965@mdn.net Subject: Re: PC800: status of the first PC . . . Evans Auto Care in San Bdo did the paint match to factory and color sanding. The cost was $720 (they did an EXCELLENT job matching the paint characteristics). Torr asked about the service logs and we really did not get servicing info. The first owner did the work himself and was moving out of state when we bought it. . . whatever he did have was packed up. I'd like to go to the Saturday run . . . John is working that a.m. so not sure yet. But, I must say that the corresponding map and So. CA PC site is fabulous! I can't believe the detail and the scanned pictures w/directions. Thanks for the invite! Hope to meet up with some of you good people someday soon. Scot Piper wrote: > Julie, > > Where did you have the bike repainted, and about what did it cost? I > have an '89 I am thinking about changing the color. Although the longer > I have it, the more I like the Pearl. > > Scot > '89 PC800 > 13,850 miles > ------------- > > Julie Hendrix wrote: > > > > One would think so. Remember what I said about hubby disliking red? Has > > been redone factory Pearl . . . > > Julie > > > > Richard A Hardy wrote: > > > > > Your "Pearl" has got to be an '89 Julie. '90's were Glory Candy Apple > > > Red. > > > > > > Richard Hardy > > > > > > On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:10:53 -0800 Julie Hendrix > > > writes: > > > >Thanks for all your positive reactions to our anniversary story. In > > > >response to E.Y., we do plan on selling the '90 Pearl and had > > > >anticipated waiting until closer to summer (market & all). But, if > > > >any > > > >folks in the southern CA area are interested before that, it is > > > >available for $2,500. Has the wing on back . . . sorry I don't have > > > >the > > > >nifty key strokes to draw it out for you here like Dave! > > > > > > > >PCn ya, > > > >Julie Hendrix > > > > > > > >-- > > > >Visit the PC800 web page at > > > >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > > > >a > > > >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > > >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > > > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > > > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > > > > -- > > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. --------------9D4207A2FFC533AD12C5B266-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: Europe From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 19 Mar 1998 02:59:22 -0600 Lines: 9 >>>>> "T" == ThZander writes: T> Any more interests in visiting europe esp. germany this summer?? Well, I'll be in Norway (and Sweden and Finland) for three weeks in June/July visiting family. I won't have a bike, though, (And the mother-in-law has us on a hilariously tight schedule...) - J< -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 05:48:43 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Bought JT's PC Hi, All: John writes: <<. . . . If the the prior owner really didn't disclose the speedo reset to the dealer, the dealer can choose to go after the prior owner. I'd bet the prior owner did disclose, but that is not your problem.>> I've known and done business with Ed Krass for many years, and he simply would not have reset the speedometer or failed to document such an alteration if he were aware of it. If the previous owner did, in fact, reset the speedometer (it could have been run with a broken cable or stuck odometer for a while) he or she didn't tell Ed about it when he bought the bike. In short, there may be many unscrupulous dealers and there may be a villain in this piece, but it is not this dealer. JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 06:52:52 -0600 To: John La From: "Richard A. Nadeau" Subject: RE: PC800: Radio Location Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu John, The radio is a Midland 3 in 1 - 40 channel CB 10 ch Weather and FM .. No AM, sorry. The package comes with the radio, mounting plate, antenna, handlebar push to talk switch, 12v power cord and 5 pin connector for the headset. The cost is 225.00. The radio works great and the service is excellant. I had a problem with the power cord and where it connects, they said send it back and we will fix it free. It took them only a few days before I had it back as good as new. The company is Sierra Electronics "the motorcycle audio store" and the number is 1-800-338-6938. I belive their web site is www.sierra.com. I hope this helps... Richard 96 PC800 RED Nashville At 07:48 PM 3/18/98 -0800, you wrote: >Where do you get this radio? Brand name? >Thanks! > >John > > >---------8<------------------- > the 3-IN-1 radio ( AM/FM/CB plus 10 >> weather bands). It comes with a mounting bracket and the pig tail >for helmet >> speakers and a push to talk switch for the microphone. The bracket >is clear >---------8<------------------- >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:07:08 -0600 To: Jason From: "Richard A. Nadeau" Subject: Re: PC800: Radio Location Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Jason, The Radio is a Midland brand radio from Sierra Electronics 1-800-338-6938 and is a hand-held type radio. It has it's own FM antenna. It looks alot like a hand held CB radio or scanner. It can be removed from the bike quickly and easily which makes it nice if you want to talk to someone or listen to music while you are away from the bike. I believe the web site for Sierra Electronics is www. sierra.com. Richard At 11:19 PM 3/18/98 -0500, you wrote: >Where are you getting the unit? > >Any idea if it will support an external FM antenna? (For RF CD-Changer) > >Richard A. Nadeau wrote: >> >> Mark, >> >> I have also been looking into putting a radio on my 96 PC. The most >> economical way that I have found was the 3-IN-1 radio ( AM/FM/CB plus 10 >> weather bands). It comes with a mounting bracket and the pig tail for helmet >> speakers and a push to talk switch for the microphone. The bracket is clear > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:26:41 -0500 From: Roger Prince To: Andym Luke , Andyout Luke , Dana Sawyer , Alex Dudley , Ben Bennett , Carson Wells , Harry Eddy , HSTA , James Vance , Joseph & Donna Kendall , "Melbourne Downing, Jr." , Mickey Thomas , PC800 Mail List , Steve Dupre , Tom & Barb Murphy Subject: PC800: Clean VFR 03:11 AM ET 03/18/98 Honda develops system to cut motorcycle emissions TOKYO, March 18 (Reuters) - Honda Motor Co Ltd <7267.T> said on Wednesday it has developed a system to reduce toxic emissions produced by motorcycle engines. The system combines an electronic fuel-injection system and an exhaust-air injection system, the company said. The fuel-injection system will reduce toxic emissions at the combustion phase and the exhaust-air injection system will reburn exhaust gas by injecting fresh air at the exhaust valve port, Honda said. Honda will introduce a remodelled 800cc VFR motorcycle equipped with the system late next month in Japan. Honda said the system would reduce emissions of carbon monoxide, hydrocarbons and nitrogen oxides to about half the new maximum standards that will be effective from October 1999. Honda said it has yet to decide whether to install the system in other models. ((Tokyo Equities Desk +8 03-18-98 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Thomas Brown" To: Subject: PC800: Parking you motorcycle Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:35:13 -0800 Importance: Normal Considering traffic, lane splitting, intersections, and poor weather conditions, I sometimes think the least safe place for a motorcycle is a parking lot. I generally park towards the back of a stall so that if my bike is surrounded by 4 wheel cages, it is still visible. I thought that was enough but it wasn't Monday night. After a late dinner, I came back out to the parking lot and noticed a black smudge on the upper part of the trunk lid. As I inspected closer, I noticed a large crack in the trunk, the left mirror was dangling, both left crash guard covers were cracked, and the bike was parked 6 feet further in the stall then I parked it..... No Note! Sunny side... at least they picked the bike back up after knocking it down. Cloudy side, $1391 in damage. Below is a list of some of the pricing for the replacement items. If anybody is knowledgeable about replacements of this type, I would appreciate comments on whether the pricing is accurate. crash guard cover $41.18 crash guard cover $37.47 mirror RK $210.49 muffler cover $134.90 lid set $319.12 cowl set $155.38 weight, steering hand $18.41 labor $284.00 Thanks, tom ------------------------------------- Tom Brown ------------------------------------- Island Data Corp. 16476 Bernardo Center Drive Suite 117 San Diego, CA 92128 Ph. (619) 487-9335 Fx. (619) 487-9315 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:14:13 -0500 From: Jason To: Thomas Brown CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Parking you motorcycle I probably should not submit this message; you obviously have a better attitude than I do. Anyway, I get so infuriated when I see situations like this. You did nothing wrong, but now are stuck paying nearly $1400 because someone else was not paying attention. ARGH! Anyway, the prices you have been given seem to be a bit on the high side. I know I've seen some of them on the list at a lower price before. -Jason Grant -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:47:58 -0900 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC800: Self-Cancelling Switch Shenanigans At 17:39 3/18/98 -0800, you wrote: >I want to throw something out to the list.... Tim, sounds like your switch might be defective/dirty. Try pulling it out and cleaning it. Then check all the connections for corrosion. A slight drop in voltage might be all it takes to confuse the microprocessor and it reverts to "safe" (manual) mode. Good luck. Juan Inside every small problem is a big one trying to get government funding. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '91 Suzuki VX800 University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:35:32 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Tom Ambrosio Subject: PC800: Odometer Falsification JT, >I've known and done business with Ed Krass for many years, and he simply would >not have reset the speedometer or failed to document such an alteration if he I'm the one who bought the bike and hopefully you have read my recent message. I tend to believe Ed didn't know about the falsification. >were aware of it. If the previous owner did, in fact, reset the speedometer >(it could have been run with a broken cable or stuck odometer for a while) he It appears the entire speedometer ware replaced. I should have never said "reset", that was a poor choice of wording. >or she didn't tell Ed about it when he bought the bike. In short, there may >be many unscrupulous dealers and there may be a villain in this piece, but it >is not this dealer. Yes, my experience with him was better than with any other dealer. The only thing he should have done was offer my money back as a gesture of goodwill when I called him and explained the situation. I would have turned the offer down but I think he should have still offered to take the bike back. Tom Ambrosio Evansville, IN '95 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:35:54 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Tom Ambrosio Subject: PC800: Odometer falsification Tim, >difference. He included the Cycle Comm system in the original price of >the bike, so he can't use its cost as a bargaining chip now. But I also >have to agree with you when you say that it may not be worth pursuing. If >you feel that you got a good deal either way, then you wouldn't be >gaining anything except perhaps the emnity of a dealer. Yes, I thought that was a little lame also but in all fairness to the dealer, he didn't mention the Cycle Comm system before I made the 120 mile journey to see the bike. When I did see it, I must admit, it made my purchase decision that much easier as I did want to eventually get headsets. As soon as I sell my '81 CB750, I will do just that. For the list's info, I have decided not to pursue the odometer falsification any further. I did call the dealer and request a discount and while I understand him not wanting to give me money back, I personally believe he should have offered my money back as a gesture of goodwill. Even if he did, I probably wouldn't have taken the money. I like the bike and with the Cycle Comm system, I feel the deal was fair for a relatively rare bike...it's just not a "killer" deal now that the bike has 15K miles on it instead of 2.5K. I see no point in threatening him via the Attorney General's office or taking him to small claims court as he has done nothing illegal. Before everyone chimes in saying that odometer falsification is illegal, I am aware of that. But if HE didn't falsify the records (which I believe is the case) then he is in the clear. If he was a shady character and purposely lied about the actual mileage, he would have been smart enough to check the owner's manual and remove the service record from the manual or the whole manual itself. Besides, in the service manual, one of the owner's wrote "replaced speedo" and under the "serviced by" or whatever that column is, he (the previous owner) wrote his name, not the dealer's name. If I had felt that the deal was absolutely terrible, I would demand my money back and go to court if necessary. Since I don't want my money back as there are no used PC's in my region, what's the point of pursuing? I can't see the AG or small claims court demanding a discount of X%. I can see the court refunding my money but then I am w/o a PC! Anyway, thanks everyone for their opinions, but I have gotten over this already and am ready to enjoy my PC! In the future, however, I WILL check the owner's manual for service records if the manual is present and would suggest everyone else to do the same. Tom Ambrosio Evansville, IN '95 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael S. Brown" To: "Steve & Diane Scudder " Cc: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: No more Honda purchases. Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:19:12 -0600 Steve, >snip< >I informed them that > I'll do no more business with Honda > I am still undecided about selling the PC800-I really like it so far ( 270 > miles ) and have put "sweat equity" and extras into it. Get a vanity plate for the PC that states - LAST1. = ; ^ ) Michael '90 PC800 "ESCAPN" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by bert.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA01386 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:12:06 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: FW: A Terrific Moto URL Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:11:17 -0800 This came off of the BMW list. It is quite an interesting URL. Go have fun. > -----Original Message----- > > Hi All, > > If you're able to surf the Web, go to this URL: > > http://www.activebike.com > > It's an e-zine called "Interactive Motorcycle" and it's absolutely > terrific. Basically a literary mag with motos as the common subject. > The piece about "who is a motorcyclist" that was a thread a couple of > weeks ago came from this 'zine. > > It's long on extremely well-written essays, observations, opinions, > etc. > about motorcycling and the people who do it. Very short on typical > moto-mag pieces like product reviews, road tests, yada, yada, yada. > > Some of the pieces made me laugh, others cry. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:25:49 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve & Diane Scudder " To: "Michael S. Brown" Cc: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: No more Honda purchases. Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:23:44 -0500 Michael, Excellent idea, too bad Michigan doesn't have a personalized license plate program for cycles! Steve -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Michael S. Brown To: Steve & Diane Scudder Cc: PC800 Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 5:12 PM Subject: Re: PC800: No more Honda purchases. |Steve, | |>snip< |>I informed them that |> I'll do no more business with Honda |> I am still undecided about selling the PC800-I really like it so far ( |270 |> miles ) and have put "sweat equity" and extras into it. | |Get a vanity plate for the PC that states - LAST1. = ; ^ ) | | |Michael '90 PC800 "ESCAPN" | -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by bert.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA01470 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:31:31 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Your chance to join the fight against breast cancer Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:30:46 -0800 There is a motorcycle trip planned across the US this summer broken into various "legs". A rider may ride one or more of the legs to raise money to fight breast cancer. All the information can be found at: http://www.cybercyclemag.com/ponyexpress98/ I can think of no better reason to take the day off of work to go motorcycling. And for a good cause! Todd Vierheller Blue '96 BMW R1100RTL, "Rain Dancer" 206-930-3110 (Work) 425-488-0851 (Home) vierhel@ibm.net (Home Office) Y2K Project Office Year 2000 -- Resistance is Futile -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:43:05 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:37:13 -0600 From: jgeistlubtx@door.net (geist, james) To: PC800 Subject: PC800: I'm back! Hello all. I re-subscribed to the list in hopes it will solve my problem. (Not receiving any list mail) Hope to be talking about PC's again very soon. James Lubbock, Tx. '90PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m28.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id UfX04539; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:46:11 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: leakysneaker@mindspring.com Cc: Crazyapple@ibm.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:31:50 -0500 Subject: Re: PC800: Radio Location From: swift24@juno.com (John D Louk) Regarding the Sierra Electronics hand held CB/combination package: I noted a long time ago that the PC emits a grunch (a lot) of spark plug electronic noise. Does this come through on the handheld? I've considered it but trials with other hand held CB radios on my PC sounded like a buzzsaw in the headset. John Louk Carmel, IN '90 PC "Ruby" _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Thomas Brown" To: Subject: RE: PC800: Radio Location Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:49:10 -0800 Importance: Normal It really does a pretty good job, except for fan noise. I however wanted to hide the extra PTT cord so I tucked it in under the handlebars which brought it a little closer to the engine and conveyed a little noise. I have since installed an accessory power adapter and inline noise filter (Radio Shack specials), and no noise at all.... not a peep. Tom > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of > John D Louk > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 1998 5:32 PM > To: leakysneaker@mindspring.com > Cc: Crazyapple@ibm.net; pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: PC800: Radio Location > > > Regarding the Sierra Electronics hand held CB/combination package: I > noted a long time ago that the PC emits a grunch (a lot) of spark plug > electronic noise. Does this come through on the handheld? I've > considered it but trials with other hand held CB radios on my PC sounded > like a buzzsaw in the headset. > > John Louk > Carmel, IN > '90 PC "Ruby" > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "The Breys" To: Subject: PC800: 96 vs 97 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:29:11 -0000 I have been reading the pc800 list for about 2 weeks now. I really have been enjoying all the letters, sounds like a great bike. I bought a 96 PC for $6000, but it is still at the Honda dealer because of all the snow. Now he has two 97 model PC's for $6500 and I was wondering is its worth the extra $500. I know the front fender is smaller, which i like better, and the seat is smoother (no ribs), also, no chrome on the bottom sides. Does anyone know of any other differences, and do you'all think it would be worth the extra money??? TIA, Jack, WI -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:52:22 -0500 From: Jason To: The Breys CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: 96 vs 97 The other difference is that they removed the self-cancelling turn signals from the PC800, starting with the 97 model year. I prefer to have them, but I also strongly prefer the 'old-style' front fender. -Jason Grant crazyapple@ibm.net > I know the front fender is smaller, which i like better, and the seat is > smoother (no ribs), also, no chrome on the bottom sides. Does anyone > know of any other differences, and do you'all think it would be worth the > extra money??? > > TIA, > Jack, WI -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 05:49:10 EST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Initial E-mail to y'all Hey, Tim: Now, that's creative thinking. Now that you mention it, I think Diane "needs" a new VFR800 to keep her PC company. I just missed her birthday, but an anniversary is coming up. :) JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 05:36:51 -0600 To: swift24@juno.com (John D Louk) From: "Richard A. Nadeau" Subject: Re: PC800: Radio Location Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu John, >From the people I have spoken to, the radio works well and no noise. I will be installing the radio on my PC this weekend and I will let you know firsthand. Richard 96 PC Nashville At 08:31 PM 3/19/98 -0500, you wrote: >Regarding the Sierra Electronics hand held CB/combination package: I >noted a long time ago that the PC emits a grunch (a lot) of spark plug >electronic noise. Does this come through on the handheld? I've >considered it but trials with other hand held CB radios on my PC sounded >like a buzzsaw in the headset. > >John Louk >Carmel, IN >'90 PC "Ruby" > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:56:23 -0800 From: Bob Anundson To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Radio Location John D Louk wrote: > > Regarding the Sierra Electronics hand held CB/combination package: I > noted a long time ago that the PC emits a grunch (a lot) of spark plug > electronic noise. Does this come through on the handheld? I've > considered it but trials with other hand held CB radios on my PC sounded > like a buzzsaw in the headset. I bought a radio shack filter that helps the alternator noise. I haven't noticed a lot of spark plug noise on my Maxon unit. However the fan noise is still a big problem as it was on my BMW k75 Bob -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: David Prather To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: PC800: 96 vs 97 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:54:20 -0800 Sorry to hear about the snow, but the wait will be worth it! My salesman told me that for '97 Honda made a couple of things cheaper on the bike. I think he mentioned the seat vinyl and maybe something else. If I wanted to spend another $500, I'd get the extended warranty. My PC is now covered for 6 years with unlimited mileage! You could always get accessories. Dave >---------- >From: The Breys[SMTP:lbrey@dataplusnet.com] >Sent: Thursday, March 19, 1998 7:29 AM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: PC800: 96 vs 97 > >I have been reading the pc800 list for about 2 weeks now. I really have >been enjoying all the letters, sounds like a great bike. > I bought a 96 PC for $6000, but it is still at the Honda dealer because of >all the snow. Now he has two 97 model PC's for $6500 and I was wondering >is its worth the extra $500. > I know the front fender is smaller, which i like better, and the seat is >smoother (no ribs), also, no chrome on the bottom sides. Does anyone >know of any other differences, and do you'all think it would be worth the >extra money??? > >TIA, >Jack, WI >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:01:46 EST To: Crazyapple@ibm.net, lbrey@dataplusnet.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: PC800: 96 vs 97 I would keep the 96 and use the $500 for a Corbin Saddle and a Rifle Wind Screen. Bernie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:27:04 -0500 From: Jason To: BernieK469 CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: 96 vs 97 Ya know, when I bought my 94, it came with a Corbin seat, the stock seat, two rifle screens, and a hondaline tall screen. After playing with various options, I'm currently running the stock seat and the hondaline tall screen. I'm going to give it another try this summer, but so far I'm just not impressed with either. After trying them again, unless something changes, I'll probably end up selling them to someone who'll appreciate them. BernieK469 wrote: > I would keep the 96 and use the $500 for a Corbin Saddle and a Rifle > Wind > Screen. > > Bernie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "David B. Partington" To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: PC800: FW: Spark plugs Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:54:33 -0700 ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: David B. Partington[SMTP:dave@partington.net] Sent: Friday, March 20, 1998 12:36 PM To: 'pc800@hpc.uh.edu' Subject: Spark plugs The owner manual list a couple of different plugs depending on driving = conditions (city or Highway). Does the plug make that big of a = difference? What are the pro's and cons? What brand of plug seems to = provide the best performance? FYI: For all of you that responded to my Gas Guzzler E-mail a few weeks = ago, thank you. I drove to Sierra Vista to Tucson and back (150 miles), = and made it on one tank. Gas needle was just above the Red. Nice thing = is I drove an average of 70 mph. So the fuel petcock diaphragm worked. Take care and thanks... Davep -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:46:11 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Tom Ambrosio Subject: PC800: Octane level As you all know, I have recently purchased a now infamous '95 PC. The manual says that anything above 86 octane is ok for the bike. Is this really true? My CB750 gets extremely cranky with 87 octane so I only run it with 89 and occasionally 91. I probably will start running the PC with 91 for awhile until I get a good feel for it and than drop down to 89. Does anyone run 87 octane in their PC? Tom Ambrosio Evansville, IN '95 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:36:17 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Tom Ambrosio Subject: PC800: Netiquette Dana, Thanks for the application but please remember that it is generally considered improper to post one's private message to a public list. I emailed you my address privately to conserve bandwidth on this list and quite frankly, I don't appreciate my address being potentially available to millions of people and marketers. Just a friendly reminder of basic etiquette. Tom Ambrosio Evansville, IN '95 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:43:14 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Tom Ambrosio Subject: PC800: Odometer Falsification JT writes: >Good point. I agree that he should be willing to offer some compensation for >the problem. Frankly, I'm surprised that he didn't. Maybe he had a fight >with Lee Ann. Lee Ann?? His wife/business partner/boss? Tom Ambrosio Evansville, IN '95 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: David Prather To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: PC800: Octane level Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:55:26 -0800 Tom, 87 is absolutely OK. This is because the compression ratio of 9.0:1 does not require the extra margin from detonation (pinging) that higher octanes offer. Dave '96 PC unnamed >---------- >From: Tom Ambrosio[SMTP:tambrosi@evansville.net] >Sent: Friday, March 20, 1998 1:46 PM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: PC800: Octane level > >As you all know, I have recently purchased a now infamous '95 >PC. The manual says that anything above 86 octane is ok for the >bike. Is this really true? ..... > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Radrider 5 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:51:57 EST To: leakysneaker@mindspring.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Radio Location This radio sounds interesting. Who makes it and where can you purchase it? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Thomas Brown" To: "Tom Ambrosio" , Subject: RE: PC800: Netiquette Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:49:13 -0800 Importance: Normal If he sent it to this list, I didn't receive it. tom > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of > Tom Ambrosio > Sent: Friday, March 20, 1998 1:36 PM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: Netiquette > > > Dana, > > Thanks for the application but please remember that it is > generally considered improper to post one's private message to a > public list. I emailed you my address privately to conserve > bandwidth on this list and quite frankly, I don't appreciate my > address being potentially available to millions of people and > marketers. > > Just a friendly reminder of basic etiquette. > > > > Tom Ambrosio > Evansville, IN > '95 PC800 > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:10:40 -0500 To: Tom Ambrosio From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Octane level Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hi Tom. I run the lowest octane rating I can find. The actual value depends on what part of the country you live in, but these usually vary for local reasons (altitude, etc.) and you still have three grades. (Good, better, best) Basically, I find that since the PC can run on the low grade, then the higher grade is a waste of money. There are members on this list who used to run Premium, and were experiencing problems with pinging and detonation, especially when under a light load, such as climbing a long hill. I drove out to the Honda Homecoming in Ohio last year, from Ottawa, Canada. We averaged about 75-80 mph most of the way, and I used the lowest available grade every time. We would usually stop for gas before I got to the 180 mile mark on the trip odometer, and on one occasion I was at the 206 mark when I finally got to the next gas station, so the mpg's seem to be okay with regular grade gas. If you experiment with the different grades, let us know the results. fsl ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Francois Saint Laurent Borg Consulting Ottawa, Canada mailto:fsl@borgconsulting.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Prince, Roger" To: "'Thomas Brown'" , Tom Ambrosio , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Netiquette Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:14:05 -0500 I didn't receive it either, to the best of my knowledge. Roger > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Brown [SMTP:tom@islanddata.com] > Sent: Friday, March 20, 1998 4:49 PM > To: Tom Ambrosio; pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: RE: PC800: Netiquette > > If he sent it to this list, I didn't receive it. > > tom > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On > Behalf Of > > Tom Ambrosio > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 1998 1:36 PM > > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > > Subject: PC800: Netiquette > > > > > > Dana, > > > > Thanks for the application but please remember that it is > > generally considered improper to post one's private message to a > > public list. I emailed you my address privately to conserve > > bandwidth on this list and quite frankly, I don't appreciate my > > address being potentially available to millions of people and > > marketers. > > > > Just a friendly reminder of basic etiquette. > > > > > > > > Tom Ambrosio > > Evansville, IN > > '95 PC800 > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body > of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/971030) via SMTP id RAA01381; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:39:18 -0500 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'David B. Partington'" Cc: "'PC800 List'" Subject: RE: PC800: FW: Spark plugs Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:34:14 -0500 Some will probably argue that the NipponDenso and NGK=20 plugs are better than American-made and they may in fact,=20 be marginally so. I've used ACs and Champions without a=20 problem. Unless you're planning to do a lot of really high=20 speed riding, you'll probably want the standard heat range=20 plug. Any mechanic worth his/her salt can read your old plugs=20 and determine if the heat range is correct. BTW, the socket=20 size of Champion replacement plugs is not the same as the=20 ND or NGK - i.e. the spark plug socket in your tool kit won't=20 fit! Also, I've changed my plugs at 8 and 16K miles - in both=20 cases, the old plugs looked great - they could have gone=20 a LOT longer before replacement. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: David B. Partington [SMTP:dave@partington.net] Sent: Friday, March 20, 1998 2:55 PM To: 'pc800@hpc.uh.edu' Subject: PC800: FW: Spark plugs ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: David B. Partington[SMTP:dave@partington.net] Sent: Friday, March 20, 1998 12:36 PM To: 'pc800@hpc.uh.edu' Subject: Spark plugs The owner manual list a couple of different plugs depending on driving = conditions (city or Highway). Does the plug make that big of a = difference? What are the pro's and cons? What brand of plug seems to = provide the best performance? FYI: For all of you that responded to my Gas Guzzler E-mail a few weeks = ago, thank you. I drove to Sierra Vista to Tucson and back (150 miles), = and made it on one tank. Gas needle was just above the Red. Nice thing = is I drove an average of 70 mph. So the fuel petcock diaphragm worked. Take care and thanks... Davep -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:59:59 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Tom Ambrosio Subject: PC800: Sorry Dana...my fault! Cc: Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com Folks, Once again I have stuck my foot in my mouth. Dana, please accept my apologies. For the record I accused Dana of posting my snail mail address to the Net after posting a private message to him containing said snail mail address. It was pointed out to me that Dana did no such thing and after a little review on my side I see that I was in error. You see, I am using Eudora for my email client and I have a filter setup to send all messages with "PC800" in the subject sent to a separate folder called "PC800 Mailing List". I WRONGLY assumed that since Dana's private email was in what I was treating as a "public list" folder, that Dana had sent the message to the list also. Once again I am truly sorry. I can't promise I won't screw up again in the future but I will try harder not too... Tom Ambrosio tambrosi@evansville.net PGP Key: http://pgp5.ai.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x55692B19 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ruf@nconnect.net Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:51:52 -0600 (CST) To: Tom Ambrosio Subject: Re: PC800: Octane level Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Tom and list members, 87 octane is the octane of choice for the PC. The higher octanes may have been the cause of premature failure of the fuel petcock diaphragm etc. I went to the archives and copied a few notes. Check the archives for more information. Hope this helps. I was running 89 octane for the first 10,000 miles (bought it with 9,500 miles on it Oct 93) and subsequently have been running it with 87 octane with no problems. The gas smells started to be noticeable at about 18,000 miles. I'm currently at 22,000 miles and would like to get Honda to fix it.... Rich >Well, the short news is that I have a new vacuum petcock for my PC. > > For Free!!! > >I haven't talked to Honda yet, but the local dealer indicated that >Honda agreed that the diaphram failed prematurely. I had already >come to the conclusion that if Honda couldn't provide the part at >a reasonable price, I was just going to put a fuel pressure regulator >on the bike, drop it to gravity feed, and forget about the valve. >With this in mind I asked if a pressure regulator might not improve >the life of the diaphram, and the conclusion was that it probably >would not since they believe the failure was due either to a design >problem or a chemical reaction... > >Chemical reaction? Yep. I've been running name-brand 92+ octane >because it really makes a difference down south here in the heat. >However, as we pretty much know, 92 octane fuel usually contains >a lot of additives to assist older/problem engines. So it certainly >is possible that the failure was due to a chemical reaction... > >Question to all who are experiencing an inordinate fuel smell: > > What octane fuel are you burning in your PC? I'd like to get > back to Honda with the results. At 03:52 PM 9/12/95 -0700, you wrote: >... >> Roger Prince just put me wise >>to the fact that he gets better mileage with regular octane, so I've made the >>switch (thanks Roger). >... > >Now that you mention it, I've noticed that too. Any one have an explanation >for this phenomenom? Contrary to popular belief the higher the octane number the slower the fuel will burn. This is why when spark knock occurs the fuel is burning to rapidly for the piston to reach the top of the cylinder thus one solution is to use a slower burning fuel (higher octane). One should use octane numbers where spark knock does not occur. If spark knock is not occuring there is no gain in using higher octane fuel except to releave excess pocket money. The higher octane fuel does not have time to completely burn and this may account for loss in fuel mileage. 87 performs great in my 90 pc during all conditions. Mileage 51-54. >>Did anyone resolve the question as to why regular unlead delivers better >>gas milage than super unlead? My independent observation confirmed the >>same results. > > >In my recollection from Organic Chemistry, lower octane fuels contain more >energy per gallon than higher. The mistaken impression otherwise, fostered >by the big advertising oil bucks, comes from power loss due to pinging >(pre-detonation), a common problem pre-1975 or so. If your engine doesn't >ping or hesitate (rare nowadays, except in high altitude driving), you will >get no power advantage/fuel economy from high octane fuels, in fact the >contrary. > >The only other *possible* advantage to high octane is a higher detergent >content, but there is no proven advantage to consistent use over say use 1 >in every 5 tankfuls. > >90% is advertising hype. What the advertising hype says is "Use super surpreme whatever because it contains cleaning agents to keep your fuel system clean. This is true. What they dont tell you is that all octane levels contain basically the same cleaning agents. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by bert.nordstrom.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA00496; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:14:19 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com To: tambrosi@evansville.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Octane level Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:13:21 -0800 I ran the cheapest regular I could find from the least expensive stations in town. The PC ran great on it. I was tempted to fill it up out of my garden hose. Don't waste your money on overpriced gasoline. On another note, I don't recall seeing your address cross my screen either. Check if you have an inbox assistant redirecting your mail to various mail boxes. Mine does this to me all the time--my privately addressed messages end up in my mail-list folders and I wonder why the response got sent there! But when I check the actual address, it is to me alone. Todd Vierheller Blue '96 BMW R1100RTL, "Rain Dancer" 206-930-3110 (Work) 425-488-0851 (Home) vierhel@ibm.net (Home Office) Y2K Project Office Year 2000 -- Resistance is Futile -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:43:41 EST To: tambrosi@evansville.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Octane level My 94 has run beautifully on 87 octane for 40K. It actually get better mileage on the low octane fuel. I would suggest running some "Heet" through the fuel system to remove any water. You also might want to replace the spark plugs. Bernie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by smtp.thegrid.net with SMTP; 21 Mar 1998 01:14:59 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:14:52 -0800 To: Mike Ver Velde From: Guy & Sonya Subject: Re: PC800: suspension Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >I notice my 89 suspension feels a bit mushy compared to my 90. Have 32k on >it. >Out of curiosity- approximately how much does it cost to get a suspension >replaced? > >Mike V I used Works Performance products. I installed the rear shocks myself - they cost $309.38 (includes CA tax and shipping). I supplied the front fork spring kit to a Honda dealer and they did the work on the fork springs. The front spring kit cost $105.01 (includes CA tax and shipping) and the Honda dealer charged $98.65 to do the work (included 1.5 hours plus fork oil). Total price $513.04. It would be more if you had them install the rear shocks. Putting the rear shocks on was easy. You just have to remove a bunch of plastic. The front was more involved. Wherein I've had the front wheel off before, I didn't feel like messing with the fork tubes, springs and oil (I just wanted it done quickly with no fuss). Hope this helps. It sure helped my tired beast. Note that others have more mileage than on my bike with no problem. I think my factory shocks were problematic or a prior owner abused the bike. -Guy Chinn (Fremont, CA) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 299; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:19:00 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:20:21 -0500 From: "Douglas Ford" To: Thomas Brown CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Netiquette Nor I... --Doug Ford Thomas Brown wrote: > > If he sent it to this list, I didn't receive it. > > tom > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu [mailto:owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu]On Behalf Of > > Tom Ambrosio > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 1998 1:36 PM > > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > > Subject: PC800: Netiquette > > > > > > Dana, > > > > Thanks for the application but please remember that it is > > generally considered improper to post one's private message to a > > public list. I emailed you my address privately to conserve > > bandwidth on this list and quite frankly, I don't appreciate my > > address being potentially available to millions of people and > > marketers. > > > > Just a friendly reminder of basic etiquette. > > > > > > > > Tom Ambrosio > > Evansville, IN > > '95 PC800 > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:37:32 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Doug Subject: PC800: New (94) PC Finally back from Alabama after picking up my new to me PC. Drove down Fri from Kentucky only to find out fellow that was selling did not work on weekend and bike was of course at his business. Lucky for me my brother lives abt 50 miles from Birmingham and I had planned on staying with them for few days anyway. Comes Monday and pick up went fine, the problem was my health, a cough that got progressively worse. Tues afternoon to the health clinic to be diagnosed with pneumonia. Recuperate until Thursday and head for home. Now the part you are really interested in. If you remember, I asked for suggestions on how to transport the PC in a pick up truck. and the help rained down, many great suggestions, so what I did was sort of combine most of them. I used rachet tie downs for the handle bars. I wrapped a towel around the bottom of each, looped the strap twice around and ran the strap from the right side of PC to the driver side front tie down ring, and the opposite for left side. I compacted the front springs a little, nothing to stressful. Used a 2 inch web strap and made a loop around the passenger handles and attached 2 tie down straps on each side, 1 to middle and 1 to rear, attaching tie downs to the web strap, therefore no stress on handles themselves. I did make sure their was plenty of soft cotton rags (diapers) under all straps where they "might" contact bike. The PC rode like it was nailed down. Never one sway out of line...YEA for the list again. Hope this will help others in the future. Doug -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:39:02 -0500 From: Jason To: Tom Ambrosio CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Octane level I've never used anything but 87. I've never had it knock or behave in such a way that I believed higher octane would be beneficial. Hell, I've never had anything go wrong with it at all. Tom Ambrosio wrote: > > As you all know, I have recently purchased a now infamous '95 > PC. The manual says that anything above 86 octane is ok for the > bike. Is this really true? My CB750 gets extremely cranky with > 87 octane so I only run it with 89 and occasionally 91. > > I probably will start running the PC with 91 for awhile until I > get a good feel for it and than drop down to 89. Does anyone > run 87 octane in their PC? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:16:09 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Tom Ambrosio Subject: PC800: Re: New (94) PC Doug, >Finally back from Alabama after picking up my new to me PC. Drove down Fri >from Kentucky only to find out fellow that was selling did not work on ...and I thought I travelled far to get my new to me '95! I hope you enjoy it. If the weather is pretty similar in KY as it is here in IN you won't be riding it this weekend. :-( Tom Ambrosio Evansville, IN '95 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problem