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From: TedJ101@aol.com
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 07:10:43 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Metzeler Tire Pressures

OK, I just put the Metzelers on and tried them out.  I seem to recall that it
is important to run rather high tire pressures in them for best results.  I
started with 40/44 but am not sure that that is the recommended range.  Anyone
have any recommendations?

Thanks,
           <<TED>>
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From: Jim Randall <jrandall@tricon.net>
To: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: FW: PC800: Euro rules
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 07:33:35 -0500

Juan A. Goula  wrote:

I understand that in Japan at intersections there are
two "Stop" lines, one far back for autos, the other further forward for
bikes, and bikes just trickle through to this second stop line. 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I didn't observe this in Tokyo but it certainly works that way in Taipei. 
Of course there are no big motorcycles (at least they're not common). 
When the traffic backs up at a light all the little scooters and mopeds 
filter thru the cars and bunch up at the light. When the light turns they 
lay down a blue, smelly cloud of two-stroke smoke as they buzz away.
Depending on how far it is to the next light, the cars usually overtake 
them (lane-splitting with the bikes - lane, what's a lane?) and the whole 
process starts over. BTW, I observed a family of four riding a Vespa-
style scooter there. Dad was driving, mom on the pillon with a baby 
between them. A child of about 4 was standing between dad's legs. 
Helmets, what's a helmet?

Jim Randall
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From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 10:10:07 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: FW: PC800: Euro rules

Hi, Jim:

<< I observed a family of four riding a Vespa-
 style scooter there. Dad was driving, mom on the pillon with a baby 
 between them. A child of about 4 was standing between dad's legs. 
 Helmets, what's a helmet? >>

Sounds a lot like Saigon; there I once saw six on a Vespa (four sitting, two
standing).

JT
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From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 10:10:09 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Metzeler Tire Pressures

Hi, Ted:

At last contact with Metzeler, they recommended 36 F -- 44 R when solo; 38 F
-- 46 R at max load.  At an earlier time, they called for about 4 psig higher
in the front; I'm not sure why they reduced it--I didn't ask.

Hope this helps.  Your might want to give them a call and see what they say
now. Their Customer Service number is (was) (800) 722-3336.  If they give you
a different story from the above, let us know.

JT
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Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 10:40:46 -0500
From: Jason <Crazyapple@ibm.net>
To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: FW: PC800: Euro rules

Jeepers.  One of the reasons I bought a Concorde when I did was for the six
person seating.

Hmm... could've saved about $25,000.

JTSMCRIDER@aol.com wrote:

> Hi, Jim:
>
> << I observed a family of four riding a Vespa-
>  style scooter there. Dad was driving, mom on the pillon with a baby
>  between them. A child of about 4 was standing between dad's legs.
>  Helmets, what's a helmet? >>
>
> Sounds a lot like Saigon; there I once saw six on a Vespa (four sitting, two
> standing).
>
> JT
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Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 11:01:59 -0500
From: Bill McKenna <BMcKenna@Mint.net>
To: Honda Sport Touring Association <hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu>
CC: CycleNet <CycleNet@ce.net>, Paul Essenfeld <superide@home.com>,
        STOC LiST <ST1100@ST1100.com>, PC800 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>,
        Whitehorse Press <WhitehorsePress@compuserve.com>
Subject: PC800: Great American Motorcycle Show- Boston/March

http://www.mint.net/~bmckenna/gams.htm

-- 
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Of all the things I've lost over the years, I miss my mind the
most...

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Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:54:24 -0500
From: Andrew Turner <AndyRTurner@compuserve.com>
Subject: PC800: New 96 Honda for $5999 - GA
To: PC800 mail list <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>

What is the normal price of a new PC800 and what discount do the dealers =
give if you have no trade in.  Does this change in the different states w=
ithin the USA?  Please let me know.

Andy Turner (Scotland UK)
---------- Forwarded Message ----------

(SNIP)

At the North Georgia Cycle show today, Freewheeling Honda of Douglasville=

had on their sale price list a 96 Pacific Coast for $5999.  The bike was =
not
at the show so I could not check it out.  The salesperson said it was a n=
ew
bike not a demo and in excellent shape.  Sounds like a steal for someone.=


Dave Lott
89 Pacific Coast
97 Valkyrie Tourer
Ride as if your life depended on it!
		                      \
Dave Lott	 \\              .__=3D. \
		  \____        ,' -(@)\-\<)
Marietta, GA	  \__ \      (_______/_:\
 		 >=3D=3D.\ \___,'  /# #\ | : \____
1989 PC		    ,\\\___/|_|##(O)##| `./\---.
		    / ,`--'   ,=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D'//, //.\ . \
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Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 13:12:22 -0800
To: PC800 List Server <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
From: Guy & Sonya <chinn@thegrid.net>
Subject: PC800: '89 PC 800 for Sale

I need to sell my '89 PC 800.  I'm asking $3,500 for it.

Mileage:   47,500

Features:  - new Corbin Saddle (old saddle comes with it)
           - new 22" clear Rifle Windscreen (black base)
           - new Works Performance shocks (rear)
           - new Wrist Rest (Bob's BMW)
           - new Dunlop K177 tire (front, rear has low miles)
           - both Honda Shop Manual and Honda Common Shop Manual

Please pass the word on or drop me a line if you're interested.

-Guy Chinn,
 Fremont, CA


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From: BernieK469@aol.com
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 23:39:19 EST
To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: PC Review

An article reviewing the PC is in "Motorcycle on Line."  Check  
"www.motorcycle.com"
I would be interested in your comments.

Bernie
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From: "Paul Johannsen" <pauljo@earthlink.net>
To: <PC800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: PC Review
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 00:37:35 -0500

The article has been there for about a week. It contains some nice
pictures - I grabbed a couple for wallpaper. I wasn't too pleased with the
way they wrote up the bike though.
I'd be interested in some PC owners' reactions to the article.

I currently ride a '94 VT1100 Shadow, but I want to get back into a Sport
Tourer. I miss
having things like locking luggage, center stand, tachometer...  I am
considering both
the Pacific Coast and the Kawasaki Concours. Pricing is comparable, and is
well
below most of the other bikes in this category. (Well, there is the Triumph
also, but I
don't want to go back to a chain drive.) Anyway, I rode a PC last year, and
I thought
it was fun to ride. I think the Connie is an outstanding buy, but I might be
tempted
to ride more aggressively more often than I should... These bikes are at
somewhat
opposite ends of the sport tour category I think. I'm a bit concerned that
if you
have more stuff to take on a trip than will fit in the PC trunk, there
doesn't seem to
be any way to anchor a tank bag or fit a luggage rack - the Connie will
easily
accomodate a large tank bag & I think it has a small rack also. I like the
lower
center of gravity with the PC - and I think I fit on it just a little better
(I am 6'7").

I would welcome any thoughts or advice.

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Date: Sunday, February 01, 1998 11:58 PM
Subject: PC800: PC Review


>An article reviewing the PC is in "Motorcycle on Line."  Check
>"www.motorcycle.com"
>I would be interested in your comments.
>
>Bernie
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 01:15:32 -0500
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Francois Saint Laurent <fsl@borgconsulting.com>
Subject: Re: PC800: PC Review

Paul Johannsen  wrote:

>I'm a bit concerned that
>if you
>have more stuff to take on a trip than will fit in the PC trunk, there
>doesn't seem to
>be any way to anchor a tank bag or fit a luggage rack - the Connie will
>easily
>accomodate a large tank bag & I think it has a small rack also.


Paul.

There is an aftermarket rack and trunk available that fits the PC, and
provides completely waterproof storage just like the PC's trunk.  The rack
and trunk are from a company called GIVI.  A few of the list members have
one on their PC800's.  (For a picture, you can check out my 95 PC800 at
http://www.magma.ca/~fsl/pc800/matilda.html ) .  There are also some list
members who have installed tank bags on their PC800's.


> I like the lower
>center of gravity with the PC - and I think I fit on it just a little better
>(I am 6'7").
>

I would think that the PC800 fits better as well.  I have ridden the
Connie, and I found that my knees were quite close to the fairing, and I'm
only 6'2", but with more of that in the legs than the body. The PC800 gives
you a bit more room, but at 6'7" there's not going to be any room to spare.

Good luck....

fsl

(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)

Francois Saint Laurent 	'95 PC800
Ottawa, Canada		Waltzing Matilda

 	HSTA Member Number 7470

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From: TedJ101@aol.com
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:34:46 EST
To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Metzeler Tire Pressures

In a message dated 98-02-01 10:11:11 EST, JTSMCRIDER@aol.com writes:

<< At last contact with Metzeler, they recommended 36 F -- 44 R when solo; 38
F
 -- 46 R at max load.  At an earlier time, they called for about 4 psig higher
 in the front; I'm not sure why they reduced it--I didn't ask.
  >>


JT, 

Thanks.  I sort of recalled those figures and got pretty much there from
memory.  Much appreciated...

Regards, 
          <<TED>>
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 06:21:51 -0500
From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com>
Subject: PC800: How much Do You Ride Your Bike?
To: HondaPacificCoastOwners <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Cc: HSTA Postings to List <hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu>

With the New Year just upon us, have you thought about making a resolutio=
n
to ride your bike more often in 1998? Perhaps your job is one which you
could just as easily ride your bike as drive your car...give it a try!
Before I retired, I commuted regularly to work on my Pacific Coast. One
advantage I had was that, as a state employee, I had underground
parking...that made it convenient to keep the bike out of the weather and=

away from prying eyes. How about running local errands, going to the stor=
e,
church, meetings...could you just as easily ride your bike? Doing so migh=
t
make it easier to justify...for example...buying that new expenside ridin=
g
suit...or...justifing to your better half that you need to trade for that=

spiffy new model sitting in your dealer's window!

Roger Prince marks his daily calendar when he rides his bike...you might
try that, then look back at the end of the month and total up how many da=
ys
you rode your bike.

The bottom line is...the manufacturer put wheels on our bikes...we ought =
to
put them on the road at every opportunity! While you're doing it, be real=

careful out there!

Dana

P.S. Perhaps you can eventually reduce your four-wheeled fleet by using
your bike more...Lynn and I have done that, and we enjoy the freedom from=

the cost of the "cage," plus the additional expense of maintenance,
property taxes and insurance since we sold our second car.
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 06:21:52 -0500
From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com>
Subject: PC800: Tank bag - back box
To: HondaPacificCoastOwners <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>

In reply to a question about a PC800 vs. Kawasaki Concours, I just wanted=

to add my comments about the availability of the GiVI luggage rack/back b=
ox
and the ease of attaching a tank bag to a PC800. I have both on my PC800,=

and they are permanent fixtures on my bike! I occasionally remove my top
box to clean the bike or to remove it at a motel to make it easier to put=

on my bike cover...otherwise it stays put! My top box is the 50-litre
model, and I think that it really looks nice on the bike.The tank bag com=
es
off only when I wash my bike...I am using the largest RKA bag...26 litres=
,
I believe, with the two side pockets...and I like it better than any othe=
r
tank bag I have ever used. It is expensive (but much cheaper than the BMW=

tank bags!) but well designed and made, and should last for years. I keep=

mine covered with an optional rain cover most of the time for protection
from both the elements and from prying eyes.

I particularly enjoy using the top box for local errands...I put my helme=
t
in a cloth helmet bag and lock it inside the top box. The rest of the spa=
ce
is used for a spare shield, extra gloves, etc. Plenty of room for shoppin=
g,
etc.

The GiVi rack attaches very easily to the bike, using longer bolts at fou=
r
of the seat attachment points for the passenger hand holds. GiVi stuff is=

high quality...contact me for more information...

Dana Sawyer

P.S. My PC800 is our second car. With me retired and my wife planning to
retire in the near future, we realized that we could easily get by on jus=
t
one four-wheeled "cage!" And...it's working out fine for us!
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From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:32:24 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Tank bags and rear racks.

Hi, Paul:

In your message you write:

<<I'm a bit concerned that if you have more stuff to take on a trip than will
fit in the PC trunk, there doesn't seem to
be any way to anchor a tank bag or fit a luggage rack>>

There are many of us who run tank bags on our PCs.  Some (like me) run
conventional three-point strap-and-buckle mounting; others have glued
(properly oriented) magnets onto the underside of the "tank" and use a
magnetic mount.  Both seem to work just fine.  The only real consideration is
the relatively narrow handlebar and bulky cover that dictate the use of a
narrow bag.  I run a standard Eclipse bag, but I don't put much if anything in
the side pockets so that I don't have a big problem with interference with the
steering in parking lot maneuvers.  Nonetheless, I occasionally get an
inadvertant and embarassing horn beep or two in tight left turns.

Givi makes a rack (and a top case) for the PC if you are in need of bulk
storage.  My approach to the occasional need for extra capacity is to use an
Eclipse Saddlepack on the passenger seat.  In it I carry my bike cover, rain
gear, extra gloves, cleaner wax, etc. (I rarely carry a passenger and never do
when I'm "on the road").  The Saddlepack has built-in bungees that hook to the
grab rails, and this works great for my purposes.

The Eclipse stuff (along with a set of their Deluxe Saddlebags) do double duty
when I decide to go "touring" on my Hawk GT; so, for me this is a "hot setup"
in terms of cost/benefit ratio.

Unless your really "need" the extra speed and acceleration available from the
Connie (and can live with the extra vibration and "interesting" low-speed
handling it also provides),  I think you'll like the PC better in the long
run.  The PC is a very capable, comfortable and fun bike to own and ride.  It
can be ridden aggressively when and if you choose to do some peg dragging, and
it is most satisfying in that mode.  Short-term high speed and "hang-on"
acceleration are not it's forte, but for a sustained high average speed on
everyday, "real" roads, you won't find much that will be very far ahead at the
end of the day.  And if you simply want to enjoy a smooth, quiet ride that
lets you fully appreciate the aesthetic aspects of motorcycling, the PC is
hard to equal.

Whatever you decide, enjoy.  Both are competent machines.

JT
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From: BernieK469@aol.com
 Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:09:00 CST
 id AZECa29756; Mon, 02 Feb 1998 10:47:53 -0500 (EST)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 10:47:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re:  Re: PC800: PC Review
To: pauljo@earthlink.net, PC800@hpc.uh.edu

The PC and the Kawa Connie have many similarities.  Both bikes have a 
upright sitting position, drive shafts and offer excellent wind 
protection.   The Connie is a much more sophisticated machine.  The 
Kawasaki offers an adjustable suspension system and dual disc brakes not 
available on the Honda, but the Concours will be a much more expensive 
bike to maintain with required valve adjustment, has a tendency to 
developed oil leaks and will need constant tittering with the Keihin 
Carbs and the vibration screw.   The Connie will cruise at a 1,000 rpms 
slower than the PC, but with not with the smoothness of the  PC.  (The 
arm numbing vibration of the early Connies is gone.)  The Cocours, 
although weighting about the same as the PC, appears to be much more 
flickable, and will out perform the Pacific Coast in about every area.  
The PC is an excellent around town bike, but to be a real long distance 
runner it needs the after market additions of a Corbin Saddle, a Rifle 
Fairing and a GiVi Top Case.    The Connie can make a three thousand mile 
run right out of the box.

Hope this helps.

Bernie
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:45:54 -0500
From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com>
Subject: PC800: Concours vs. Pacific Coast
To: HondaPacificCoastOwners <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>

RE: the following message form Bernie Klass...
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
The PC and the Kawa Connie have many similarities.  Both bikes have a =

upright sitting position, drive shafts and offer excellent wind =

protection.   The Connie is a much more sophisticated machine.  The =

Kawasaki offers an adjustable suspension system and dual disc brakes not =

available on the Honda, but the Concours will be a much more expensive =

bike to maintain with required valve adjustment, has a tendency to =

developed oil leaks and will need constant tittering with the Keihin =

Carbs and the vibration screw.   The Connie will cruise at a 1,000 rpms =

slower than the PC, but with not with the smoothness of the  PC.  (The =

arm numbing vibration of the early Connies is gone.)  The Cocours, =

although weighting about the same as the PC, appears to be much more =

flickable, and will out perform the Pacific Coast in about every area.  =

The PC is an excellent around town bike, but to be a real long distance =

runner it needs the after market additions of a Corbin Saddle, a Rifle =

Fairing and a GiVi Top Case.    The Connie can make a three thousand mile=
 =

run right out of the box.

Hope this helps.

Bernie
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=2E..dual disc brakes not available on the Honda...I guess this means a d=
isc
vbrake on the rear.
We all know that we should use very little rear brake. With 72,000 miles =
I
still have the original
front pads and rear linings on my Pacific Coast. The rear brake is
certainly adequate...

=2E..appears to be more flickable...Concours owners tell me differently! =
WIth
the 7+ gallon gas tank
high up on the bike relative to the below-saddle position on the Pacific
Coast, that ain't gonna be true unless the tank is nearly empty.
I've heard horror stories of folks dropping or nearly dropping their
Concours when turning around in parking lots or making a 180-degree turn
around in the road with a full gas tank. Gas is 6+ pounds per gallon...th=
at
makes nearly 50 pounds of gas high up on the bike!

HSTA member Roger Prince does not have a Corbin saddle or a Rifle fairing=

on his Pacific Coast, but he and his wife
have logged some serious miles on theirs, including an 800+-mile day
returning to Massachusetts from one
of our national rlalies in Texas! =


EIther bike could use  a top box (I have a GiVi.) Neither has one fitted =
as
stock...

Ditto for a tank bag...either bike could use one.

One of the neatest features on the Pacific Coast is the luggage
cvompartment, which allows you to pack straight down rather than sideweay=
s.
This is a BIG plus feature over any bike that has side-opening bags.

Most folks including magazine testers have said that the Concours, while =
an
excellent bike, has remained unchanged and therefore outdated relative to=

other bikes. =


It obviously represents an excellent value for the dollar. But...I wouldn=
't
trade my Pacific Coast for one...no way!

I haven't adjusted my valves in 72,000 miles/7 years...have I waited too
long?

=2E..to be a long distance runner, all the Pacific Coast needs is to be p=
ut
out on the superslab! It will take you, your better half and your gear
anywhere the roads go!

Dana Sawyer
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From: <todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com>
To: <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>, <greg501@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: RE: PC800: New 96 Honda for $5999 - GA
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:08:20 -0800

Interesting.

Here in Seattle, motorcycles (of all makes) tend to sell above blue book
values.   A used (2800 miles) '96 PC is going for $7600 here at I-90
Motorsports.   A new '96 is going for $7700 (plus another $398 dealer
prep) at Lake City Honda.   Maybe I should move to Georgia.   I'm not so
good a languages; I wonder if I could learn to speak "southern"?  ;-) 

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>From: 	Greg Chambers[SMTP:greg501@ix.netcom.com]
>Sent: 	Saturday, January 31, 1998 6:55 PM
>To: 	pc800@hpc.uh.edu
>Subject: 	Re: PC800: New 96 Honda for $5999 - GA
>
>At 07:42 PM 1/31/98 -0600, Dave Lott wrote:
>>At the North Georgia Cycle show today, Freewheeling Honda of Douglasville
>>had on their sale price list a 96 Pacific Coast for $5999.  The bike was not
>>at the show so I could not check it out.  The salesperson said it was a new
>>bike not a demo and in excellent shape.  Sounds like a steal for someone.
>>
>That's a great price for a bike that looks better than the 97's and the
>98's.  I paid $5999 for a 96 with 2,081 miles on it, from a dealer, and felt
>good about it (12/96).
>
>Greg Chambers
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To: MikeTW@worldnet.att.net
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:24:34 -0800
Subject: Re: PC800: Clutch repair
From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy)

Hi Mike,

I replaced my clutch at 67,559 miles.  At the time, I also queried the
list and learned that it was "normal," yet all PCs didn't have the
problem.  It was a gradual thing that I first noticed when riding
aggressively in the twisties, i.e., putting a heavy load on the clutch. 
Since 95% of my riding is not aggressive, I just let it go for a year or
more.  Then, it became noticeable on occassional hills.  Finally, as it
became more noticeable, I replaced it.  Hope this helps.

Richard Hardy, San Diego
rahardy@juno.com

On Fri, 30 Jan 1998 06:51:47 -0500 "Mike Whited"
<MikeTW@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>Out of curiosity, has any one had to replace a worn cltuch? Any 
>particulars
>as to miles, type of use etc?
>I/ve had clutches in various bikes last from 25K to forever (70K) and 
>am
>just planning ahead.
>
>Thanks,
>Mike Whited
>
>Columbus OH
>'94 PC
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From: <todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com>
To: <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: The Death of a Pacific Coast
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:38:18 -0800

Someone wanted to know how I totaled my PC; the short answer is that I
screwed up.

I changed out of the HOV (High Occupancy Vehicle) lane (60mph) into a
lane going slower (40mph?) and slowing ( to 30-35mph?) with a large
empty space ahead of me.   I needed to change into the next lane
(55mph).   As I checked my mirror and blind spot, the cars in front of
me were doing the panic stop thing.   (No brake lights came on because
they were  pretty much already on from general slowing.)  When I again
looked forward it was too late to make the grade (0mph) and my hole to
change into had closed up because I had scrubbed off so much speed in
the lane I was in.     I had been looking about 10 vehicles ahead and
hadn't noticed a panic stop forming.  (You know how things start
stacking up many vehicles ahead and you know a panic stop is coming when
it eventually reaches you.)

What could I have done to avoid the accident?   Easy.   I could have
lane split.   But, unfortunately lane splitting isn't in my normal
vocabulary.   Many studies (from gun fighting to whatever) have
demonstrated that in a panic situation you will fall back upon your
training, however good or bad.   In this case, lane splitting is not nor
ever has been an option so I didn't fall back to it.   I should have.

Second thing I cold have done, was scrubbed off even more speed (because
if I get hit from behind that isn't my fault ;-).

Fortunately my insurance company, Nationwide Insurance, came through
with a value of 6889 for the bike ($7600 for local '96 PC for sale with
2800 miles less $760  for my mileage of 14,900 plus $49 dollars for the
variance in accessories).   The total they paid came to $7550 or so
because they included money for licensing and some other Washington
State rip off.   (Blue book for a '96 PC is $6400).   I thought the
adjuster was very fair and I was pleased  she took the extra effort to
evaluate the local market instead of simply using the blue book (AMA)
value.


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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 12:31:54 -0600
From: Jeff Hopkins <hopkinsj@telepath.com>
To: PC800 Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: MC Covers

I just bought 9 Motorcycle Covers from Covercraft.  These are
"seconds".  They are mostly just dirty, no rips or tears.  Will fit
PC800.  Will take $65 each including shipping by U.S. Mail or UPS.  If
interested E-mail or call 405-527-1444.

Thanks,

Jeff


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From: <todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com>
To: <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Forgive me, for I have sinned.....
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:21:20 -0800

Initially I was trying to decide between the PC and the Concours.   The
PC has better trunk space, but the Concours has better gearing and a
clock on the dash.   Yada, yada, yada.....

I knew I wanted shaft drive because 65,000 miles on the chain driven
Honda CM450E taught me that!  I also wanted a low center of gravity for
slow maneuvering ( PC) , and a BIG gas tank (Concours).   I of course
wanted trunk space (PC) and a clock on the dash (Concours).     I
ultimately decided that I wanted ABS as well (although this probably
would not have been a factor in my accident that totaled my PC.)   I
also decided that I didn't want to really pull off tons of plastic to
get to my spark plugs once I started doing my own maintenance (after
warranty).

I ended up buying a  1996 BMW (Bring More Wampum!) R1100RTL with 12,808
miles this weekend.  It has a low center of gravity (due to the engine
design), full storage space (top and both sides plus a tank bag), easy
access to the plugs, etc.

It is the little things that I both like and  that bug me.    On the
BMW, the turn signals are quite different than my last (almost) 80,000
miles of Honda motorcycle.   It amazes me how ingrained it is in my
subconscious how to turn on my turn signals.   Are the BMW turn signals
much more ergonomically correct?   Yes, without a doubt.  They are
easier to reach and more intrinsically where they ought to be.   Does
that make them any easier to use?   Not until I get used to turning on
my right turn signal with my right thumb and canceling both turn signals
with my right thumb..   This is surprisingly annoying.    I also miss
the PC auto cancel of my turn signals.   Boy do I miss it!

However, little things can also be quite nice.   I love having a clock
on my dashboard that I can read.   (And it is in my preferred 24 hour
time!)   I like the gear selection indicator too -- it always shows
what gear I'm in.   The electrically adjustable windshield is wonderful.
  At the touch of a button it changes rake and height from a very sporty
laid down to a much more touring straight up and tall.  The heated
handgrips (2 power levels) are a nice touch.  I like the 27+ liter gas
tank so I don't have to stop for gas so much.   And a dash light (in
addition to the LCD gauge) comes on when I hit reserve at 1.1 gallons (4
liters).   The Corbin seat is a nice touch and more comfy than the stock
PC seat.

Both the warm air blast handwarmers (different than the heated grips)
and the stereo are fairly useless.   I may try to fix the stereo my
adding decent speakers and a small amplifier if I can find one.

The PC is definitely a smoother bike (the PC is smoother than just about
any bike).   The R1100RTL is by far more comfortable for me (very
important since I commute to work every day and this is our second  car)
since I don't have to reach as far for the handlebars.   The PC has
storage that is more usable  (in my opinion) in spite of two hard side
bags, a big trunk, and the tank bag of the R1100RTL.  The passenger
seating is much superior on the R1100RTL.  The R1100RTL is only turning
3400 RPM at 60 mph (I don't keep looking for a higher gear!).   The
R1100RTL is more "flickable" than the PC.  It seems to have better
acceleration too (a subjective measurement ;-).  

For my particular needs and body lengths (long torso and short arms) the
R1100RTL is a better match for me.   It came with brand new Michelin
radials that are Z rated, so I will probably be replacing the tires
fairly soon.   $igh.

Thank you, thank you, thank you for all the wonderful information
comparing the PC800 with the Concours.   That and copious reading of
both my back issues of Rider and my back issues of Motorcycle Consumer
News steered my to my final decision.

Please don't be too harsh on me.   I promise not to say nasty things
about the PC800.   I still think it is one of the finest bikes made.   I
wish it had ABS.  (I'll die if it comes out with ABS next year!)  I
never did get around to joining the Honda Sport Touring Association.....
   Oh well.    


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From: BernieK469@aol.com
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:06:47 EST
To: Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re:  PC800: Concours vs. Pacific Coast

I don't want to become an apologists for either the Pacific Coast or the 
Concours.  Both are excellent machines,  but one can do somethings better 
than the other,  and the converse is also true.  The Concours is a Canyon 
carver that will out accelerate and out brake the Pacific Coast.   The 
Connie also has the advantage of a much more adjustable suspension 
system.  I actually prefer a stock Connie to a ST1100 for long distance 
travel. I like the less radical riding position  The Kawa is not as 
subject to cross winds or the turbulence created by 18 wheelers as either 
ST1100 or the PC.   

I own a Pacific Coast.  I have been riding since 1961, and the PC is one 
of the, if not, best bike I have owned.  It does what I want it to do 
better than anything else on the market.  Foremost,  the PC is as 
maintenance free as a machine can become.  I use my PC to run daily 
errands, or to ride to the Gulf Coast from Kansas City with by wife.  I 
have a 1994 PC, purchased in 1995. It now has just under 40k on the 
odometer. I am not interested in canyon carving.  I want to go to the 
post office, bank and grocery store with an occasional sojourn to Vegas 
or the Bolixi.  I want the bike to start every time I push the button. 

The Pacific Coast if a great long distance traveler, but the original 
saddle came with a built-in case of "hard ass syndrome," at least for my 
butt.  My wife appreciates the contour seating of the Corbin.  It makes 
her feel more secure.   The stock fairing on the PC, in my opinion, was 
an abortion.  At any speed over sixty-five mph ear plugs were a 
necessity. ( I have not tried Honda's taller wind screen.) Behind the 
short Rifle, I am six feet tall with a 31 inch inseam, I listen to the 
engine purr. 

I believe that any touring bike should have some sort of cruise or  
throttle control device.  I have a Throttle Meister on my PC.  The 
Throttle Meister works no better than the much less expensive Vista 
Cruise, but I think it looks a lot better,  and it is a fine machined 
piece of equipment.  I also have a GiVi Top case mounted on my PC. I 
think the GiVi adds to the appearance of the PC, and gives my wife extra 
space for packing.  My wife also likes the the GiVi back rest over the 
Hondaline. 

If something happened to my PC, I would probably by another Pacific 
Coast; after a long look at the Concours.  I am 62 years of age.  If I 
were a little younger, the Concours might be my choice.  It could handle 
those narrow roads to Panama easier than the PC.

  Bernie
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From: "Paul Johannsen" <pauljo@earthlink.net>
To: <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>, "Francois Saint Laurent" <fsl@borgconsulting.com>
Subject: Re: Additional Storage (was PC800: PC Review)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:12:35 -0500

Regarding the Givi trunk, I have some questions:
- Does it have a good passenger backrest attached?
   (I couldn't tell for sure from the picture)
- Do they color match to the current Red PC color?
- Does it easily detach, leaving a useable luggage rack?
  (there appears to be an underlying rack in the photo)
- Do they make a specific mounting kit for the PC?
  (I'd want my dealer to order the right pieces...)
- Does it interfere at all with accessing the built in trunk
   (weight on the hydraulic strut, for instance)
- Any noticeable effect on handling?
  (It appears to sit pretty high in the photos)
- Can you give me an approximate idea of the cost?

This does look like an interesting accessory, and I would like to learn
more about it. I suppose Givi must have a Web page, but I'd appreciate
an owners feedback very much.

Also, I'd like to hear from anyone with tank bag experience on the PC.
I have a very nice expandable magnetic mount tank bag that I use on
my current bike, but I think the top surface of the PC is all plastic so the
magnets probably won't work. There is also a strap in the front of the bag
which goes around the steering head - again, I see no place to route it on
the PC. And other bags that use gas tank type harnesses would seemingly
be foiled by the totally enclosed PC bodywork. I'm baffled.

Paul

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From: Francois Saint Laurent <fsl@borgconsulting.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: Monday, February 02, 1998 1:15 AM
Subject: Re: PC800: PC Review


>Paul Johannsen  wrote:
>
>>I'm a bit concerned that
>>if you
>>have more stuff to take on a trip than will fit in the PC trunk, there
>>doesn't seem to
>>be any way to anchor a tank bag or fit a luggage rack - the Connie will
>>easily
>>accomodate a large tank bag & I think it has a small rack also.
>
>
>Paul.
>
>There is an aftermarket rack and trunk available that fits the PC, and
>provides completely waterproof storage just like the PC's trunk.  The rack
>and trunk are from a company called GIVI.  A few of the list members have
>one on their PC800's.  (For a picture, you can check out my 95 PC800 at
>http://www.magma.ca/~fsl/pc800/matilda.html ) .  There are also some list
>members who have installed tank bags on their PC800's.
>
>
>> I like the lower
>>center of gravity with the PC - and I think I fit on it just a little
better
>>(I am 6'7").
>>
>
>I would think that the PC800 fits better as well.  I have ridden the
>Connie, and I found that my knees were quite close to the fairing, and I'm
>only 6'2", but with more of that in the legs than the body. The PC800 gives
>you a bit more room, but at 6'7" there's not going to be any room to spare.
>
>Good luck....
>
>fsl
>
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>
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:57:22 -0600 (CST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Dave Lott <dlwinger@ix10.ix.netcom.com>
Subject: PC800: PC vs Connie (Concours)

Paul Johannson wrote:

...  I am considering both the Pacific Coast and the Kawasaki Concours.
Pricing is comparable, and is well below most of the other bikes in this
category.

Paul,
I think Bernie, Dana and others have given you some excellent and fairly
objective responses.  I can testify to both bikes from personal experiences.
I had a Connie for a couple of years (until I got rear-ended and the bike
was totaled).  It has plenty of power, great acceleration, but it is top
heavy from the big gas tank and that does affect handling, especially at low
speeds.  While the big gas tank is nice for long rides, I usually stop at
least every couple of hours, so I don't find the PC's smaller tank an real
inconvenience.

While Connie claims a straight-up riding position, you will find there is a
little lean that can get uncomfortable.  Most folks get the Gen-Mar
handlebar risers to eliminate the slight forward lean.  Maintenance other
than fluids on PC is virtually nil as opposed to the adjustments that need
to be made to the Connie.  I had some buzz in my 86 Connie, but others say
this was reduced in later models.

I think the PC trunk has more capacity than the Connie, but you add a GIVI
trunk and a tank bad and you could fit the contents of a steamer trunk in
there.  

As Bernie says, it all depends on what kind of riding you want to do.  If
you lean more towards the sport side of sports-touring, the Connie may be
the ride for you.  They also have a strong users group with national get
togethers.

If I can be of any help, please let me know. 

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From: "Lonnie Harbour" <laughy@southeast.net>
To: <PC800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Re: PC800: PC Review
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:52:47 -0500

I'm very interested in this conversation because after a number of years
riding cruiser style bikes, I've decided to take the sport touring plunge.
I'm considering the PC and the Concours, but have been concerned about the
Kawasaki because everyone I talk to and every article I read on the bike
comments on it's extreme buzziness at any RPM level.  I h-h-hate buzzy
bikes!

I sat on a PC, and I love the sitting position, but haven't actually test
drove one yet so I'm not sure about the power delivery.  Someone told me it
had a very narrow powerband.  Hmmm...plus the SO says it's "funny looking".
I could live with that if the bike is comfortable enough.  ;-)

Any comments?  Thanks!
L.
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From: BernieK469@aol.com <BernieK469@aol.com>
Date: Monday, February 02, 1998 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: Re: PC800: PC Review


>The PC and the Kawa Connie have many similarities.  Both bikes have a
>upright sitting position, drive shafts and offer excellent wind
>protection.   The Connie is a much more sophisticated machine.  The
>Kawasaki offers an adjustable suspension system and dual disc brakes not
>available on the Honda, but the Concours will be a much more expensive
>bike to maintain with required valve adjustment, has a tendency to
>developed oil leaks and will need constant tittering with the Keihin
>Carbs and the vibration screw.   The Connie will cruise at a 1,000 rpms
>slower than the PC, but with not with the smoothness of the  PC.  (The
>arm numbing vibration of the early Connies is gone.)
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:08:57 -0600 (CST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Dave Lott <dlwinger@ix16.ix.netcom.com>
Subject: PC800: Baker Air Wings

When I was checking around for accessories for the Valkyrie, I came across
the homepage for Baker Industries, www.bakerbuilt.com.  They have listed in
their product offering an Air Wing that fits the PC/ST.  Has anyone
installed a set of these on their mighty machine?  I can't remember a
discussion on this, but it would seem to be a nice solution for protection
in the winter and additional air flow during the summer months.

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From: "Paul Johannsen" <pauljo@earthlink.net>
To: "PC800 Mailing List" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Pacific Coast vs Concours
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:17:00 -0500

Wow! I really enjoyed reading all the postings tonight regarding these two
machines. Glad to see that others have gone through this specific decision
process before - and those who chose the PC seem quite happy with it.

The Connie is currently retailing at about $500 less than the PC in my area.
Dated, maybe - but if you look at the components (suspension, brakes, etc)
it seems like do get more for your money. It's a more conventional looking
machine, so I probably wouldn't have to put up with "Nice Scooter" comments
from civilians. The biggest nightmares are the high center of gravity, and
the
alleged vibration. I get varying opinions on the vibration thing, but I've
dropped
top heavy bikes in my gravel driveway before - taking them off of the center
stand.
Not fun! A really BAD feeling... And my body is now 50 years old (my brain
isn't,
but my body got older somehow...)

The PC feels more friendly when I sit on it, and would probably be much less
trouble to clean & maintain. I like to ride a lot, I like my bike to look
nice, but I
really dislike spending time washing, waxing & detailing a bike. I'd also
rather
be riding than hanging out waiting for service to be completed. I did ride a
PC
last year (solo - Honda factory team at a rally), and I enjoyed it on the
back roads.
I also have a good Honda dealer much closer than the nearest Kawasaki dealer
so I need to consider that I guess. (Particularly because the Connie would
require
more frequent service.) And it sounds like there are solutions to additional
storage if needed - although I'm still a little baffled about fastening
things
when I look at all that seamless plastic bodywork...

Both motorcycles have a loyal following & both have mailing lists - I like
that.
I think I need to ride a Concours before I decide. But the feedback is
really
helpful - I'm starting to lean more toward the Pacific Coast.

Paul

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From: <todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com>
To: <PC800@hpc.uh.edu>, <laughy@southeast.net>
Subject: RE: Re: PC800: PC Review
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:18:55 -0800

The "narrow power band" is probably from someone who was looking in the
wrong place.   I found my PC did lack power in the upper RPM band (above
5000) where most sport bikes just begin to take off.   But the PC is a
torque monster in the lower RPMs!    It's the kind of power that is
identical in feel if you are riding the bike one-up, or if you are
riding two up packed to the gills.   If I wanted fast acceleration on
the PC, I did it from about 3000-5000 RPM and it could probably pull a
trailer while doing it.    

If you don't like buzzy bikes (varies by individual), then the PC is for
you.   One of the most disconcerting things about the PC is that you can
virtually not feel then engine -- it is there, but it is terribly subtle
compared to any other bike on the market.   You also don't have much
engine noise to listen too.   It is an extremely quiet motorcycle.  The
tachometer is very helpful when you first start riding a PC until you
get used to it.   Just like the princess and the pea, you will over time
get to be able to "feel" the engine on the PC.   But just barely.   Both
the engine and the handlebars are rubber mounted and this makes it very
smooth.

 I actually found the riding position on the PC to be ever so slightly
aggressive unless I scooted all the way forward on the seat.   It was
hailed as an example of good ergonomic design in a back issue of
Motorcycle Consumer News.

The PC is funny looking.   In traffic that huge tail light is so funny
and wide that it really grabs attention of drivers when you flash it.
All tail lights should be so big.    I used to refer to my PC as my 800
Elite or my 800 Helix (both of which are scooters in about the 250cc
range).  The first time you open the trunk and realize just how much
stuff you can cram in there you will be impressed.    The optional trunk
lights are worth having too.

Todd Vierheller
Seattle, Washington
Y2K Core Team
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>From: 	Lonnie Harbour[SMTP:laughy@southeast.net]
>Sent: 	Monday, February 02, 1998 2:52 PM
>To: 	PC800@hpc.uh.edu
>Subject: 	Re: Re: PC800: PC Review
>
>I'm very interested in this conversation because after a number of years
>riding cruiser style bikes, I've decided to take the sport touring plunge.
>I'm considering the PC and the Concours, but have been concerned about the
>Kawasaki because everyone I talk to and every article I read on the bike
>comments on it's extreme buzziness at any RPM level.  I h-h-hate buzzy
>bikes!
>
>I sat on a PC, and I love the sitting position, but haven't actually test
>drove one yet so I'm not sure about the power delivery.  Someone told me it
>had a very narrow powerband.  Hmmm...plus the SO says it's "funny looking".
>I could live with that if the bike is comfortable enough.  ;-)
>
>Any comments?  Thanks!
>L.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: BernieK469@aol.com <BernieK469@aol.com>
>
>>The PC and the Kawa Connie have many similarities. . . .
>
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From: Jim Randall <jrandall@tricon.net>
To: "'Andrew Turner'" <AndyRTurner@compuserve.com>
Cc: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: PC800: New 96 Honda for $5999 - GA
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:17:35 -0500

Andrew,=20

Just like their 4-wheeled counterparts, the selling prices of=20
motorcycles in the U.S. is somewhat regional in nature and=20
is almost always negotiable. That's why there's an "National=20
Automobile Dealers Association Blue Book of Used Vehicle=20
Values" is printed in specific versions for the various regions=20
of the US. Case in point... This time of year here in the=20
mountains of Eastern Tennessee 4-wheel drives trucks and=20
SUVs are in great demand and the prices reflect it. One will=20
pay $1K - $2K more for the same 4WD vehicle now than=20
during the summer months. However, in the deep south where=20
the terrain is flat and it rarely snows, there is very little difference =

between the winter and summer "value" of the same vehicle.=20

For motorcycles, local demand for certain types of motorcycles=20
will have the same effect. By far the most predominant motorcycle=20
where I live is the Harley Davidson cruiser. Harley's draw top dollar=20
around here and I don't think anyone ever sells one for less than=20
they paid for it. One sees considerably fewer sport bikes and tourers=20
here and it's truly rare to see another Pacific Coast. So much so,=20
that every one in my family is sensitized and if they spot one, they=20
tell me about it. The local Honda dealers (there are 3 within a 20 mile=20
radius of my house) each tell me they sell at most one PC a year -=20
all three have untitled '97s still on the floor. Hence, the PC =
(particularly=20
used PCs) are relatively cheap here. When I was ready to buy a used=20
PC last summer, I couldn't find a one locally. I found a '95 with 4,800=20
miles via this list in Oklahoma City, OK and paid $5,200 for it. I still =

haven't seen another for quite that price but have seen some very=20
good prices on newer used PCs.

Jim Randall
jrandall@tricon.net

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From:	Andrew Turner [SMTP:AndyRTurner@compuserve.com]
Sent:	Sunday, February 01, 1998 12:54 PM
To:	PC800 mail list
Subject:	PC800: New 96 Honda for $5999 - GA

What is the normal price of a new PC800 and what discount do the dealers =
give if you have no trade in.  Does this change in the different states =
within the USA?  Please let me know.

Andy Turner (Scotland UK)
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At the North Georgia Cycle show today, Freewheeling Honda of =
Douglasville
had on their sale price list a 96 Pacific Coast for $5999.  The bike was =
not
at the show so I could not check it out.  The salesperson said it was a =
new
bike not a demo and in excellent shape.  Sounds like a steal for =
someone.

Dave Lott
89 Pacific Coast
97 Valkyrie Tourer
Ride as if your life depended on it!
		                      \
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		  \____        ,' -(@)\-\<)
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		    / ,`--'   ,=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D'//, //.\ . \
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From: Jim Randall <jrandall@tricon.net>
To: "'Lonnie Harbour'" <laughy@southeast.net>
Cc: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: Re: PC800: PC Review
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:41:26 -0500

Lonnie, you'll find the power delivery of the PC to be much 
more like a cruiser than a sport bike. Lot's of low end torque 
but without the v-v-v-ibration. Looks are of course highly 
subjective. I find people (mostly traditional male motorcyclists) 
either hate it or think it's drop-dead gorgeous. I routinely have 
strangers approach me and tell me how nice looking bike my 
'95 PC is. Of course, as all the other list members will attest, 
that's because it is one of the black ones - they all agree that 
black is the best looking color!

Jim Randall - '95 PC800
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From:	Lonnie Harbour [SMTP:laughy@southeast.net]
Sent:	Monday, February 02, 1998 5:53 PM
To:	PC800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject:	Re: Re: PC800: PC Review

I'm very interested in this conversation because after a number of years
riding cruiser style bikes, I've decided to take the sport touring plunge.
I'm considering the PC and the Concours, but have been concerned about the
Kawasaki because everyone I talk to and every article I read on the bike
comments on it's extreme buzziness at any RPM level.  I h-h-hate buzzy
bikes!

I sat on a PC, and I love the sitting position, but haven't actually test
drove one yet so I'm not sure about the power delivery.  Someone told me it
had a very narrow powerband.  Hmmm...plus the SO says it's "funny looking".
I could live with that if the bike is comfortable enough.  ;-)

Any comments?  Thanks!
L.
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From: BernieK469@aol.com <BernieK469@aol.com>
Date: Monday, February 02, 1998 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: Re: PC800: PC Review


>The PC and the Kawa Connie have many similarities.  Both bikes have a
>upright sitting position, drive shafts and offer excellent wind
>protection.   The Connie is a much more sophisticated machine.  The
>Kawasaki offers an adjustable suspension system and dual disc brakes not
>available on the Honda, but the Concours will be a much more expensive
>bike to maintain with required valve adjustment, has a tendency to
>developed oil leaks and will need constant tittering with the Keihin
>Carbs and the vibration screw.   The Connie will cruise at a 1,000 rpms
>slower than the PC, but with not with the smoothness of the  PC.  (The
>arm numbing vibration of the early Connies is gone.)
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:46:23 -0500
From: Andrew Turner <AndyRTurner@compuserve.com>
Subject: PC800: PC Review
To: PC800 mail list <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>


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From:	INTERNET:BernieK469@aol.com, INTERNET:BernieK469@aol.com
TO:	PC800 mail list, INTERNET:PC800@hpc.uh.edu
DATE:	98/02/02 4:57

I have just read the article in question and as I do not actually own a P=
C800
at present, (but thinking about buying one), I found the article very int=
eresting.
I understand the writers comments about it being a little bland looking b=
ut
its not designed as a custom cruiser or a pocket rocket race replica.  Is=
 a black =

lower half standard on the new PC800's because I think the Silver looks m=
uch nicer.  =

His remarks concerning it looking like a car becuase it has a dashboard l=
ike a car =

had me thinking because the clock layout is pretty much as standard on mo=
st =

motorcycles.  Race replicas are okay but I've so many friends that have h=
ad BAD =

accidents on them that I avoid them.  (I actually find them without any f=
orm of =

character).  =


I was disapointed in his comments that the engine has a very narrow power=
 band and =

frequent gear changes are required to keep the motor happy as I would hav=
e thought =

that a Vee twin 800cc bike would have planty of torque.  How do you owner=
s out =

there find this.??  I ride a GSX1100G at present and with this being a 4 =
cylinder I =

find myself constantly trying to slow down as it is not so happy at the l=
ower revs.

The article didn't give any MPG figures (either Imperial or U.S.gallons) =
so what =

could I expect to get on average?  The article seemed to dwell to much on=
 what the
PC800 coudn't do very well rather than what it does do very well.  It got=
 a much =

better write up than it would have recieved here in the U.K. due to the f=
act that =

if a bike is not a Fireblade or a Ducati 916 then it doesn't warrant a me=
ntion.  =

The photographs would have been of some spotty 19 year old "journalist" w=
earing =

racing leathers with a pattern you usually get when you've rubbed your ey=
es to hard,
doing a wheelie and writing about the PC's lack of off-road capabilites. =
 He would =

then compare it against a V-max, a Suzuki Townmate 50 and F-15 on its way=
 to Iraq.
The write ups we get in UK magazines are quite sad really so I thought th=
is one was
not to bad even though it was a bit short.

I hope that helps you Bernie.

Regards
Andy Turner  Suzuki GSX1100G '93


An article reviewing the PC is in "Motorcycle on Line."  Check  =

"www.motorcycle.com"
I would be interested in your comments.

Bernie
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From: Steve Thomas <bikeparts@intrasoft.qc.ca>
To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Place to buy helmet at a cheap price
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:35:44 -0500

Hi !

I found this url if you want to buy a helmet at a cheap price:

http://www.csams.com

They have new blemished helmets going for 135.00$


Steve

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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 98 16:56:26 PST
From: "Wanda Bailie" <wanda_bailie@smtpgw.kentrox.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, Steve Thomas <bikeparts@intrasoft.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: PC800: Place to buy helmet at a cheap price

     What kind of blemish?  If it's in the paint, great price!  If 
     it's in the construction, my head's worth the extra money!
     Wanda Bailie '95 PC800 "Black Beauty"


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Subject: PC800: Place to buy helmet at a cheap price
Author:  Steve Thomas <bikeparts@intrasoft.qc.ca> at INTERNET-KENTROX
Date:    2/2/98 4:34 PM


Hi !
     
I found this url if you want to buy a helmet at a cheap price:
     
http://www.csams.com
     
They have new blemished helmets going for 135.00$
     
     
Steve

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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 16:26:19 -0900
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
Subject: PC800: Re: Place to buy helmet at a cheap price

>At 18:56 2/2/98 -0600, you wrote:
>>
>>   Just a note, the prices are Canadian. All I was seeing was the
>>   $200 blemished helmits until I realized this fact and did the
>>   conversion via...
>
Jef and Steve, just a tip, FWIW.  If I understand the rules correctly,
unless those helmets have a valid DOT sticker on them, they can not be
legaly sold here in the US.  Dumb, I know, since other standards might be
even more stringent, but that is the way the cookie crumbles. It would not
be cool to have your helmet confiscated because of something so basic.
Caveat emptor and all that jazz...

Juan

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From: BernieK469@aol.com
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:16:18 EST
To: pauljo@earthlink.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, fsl@borgconsulting.com
Subject: Re:  Re: Additional Storage (was PC800: PC Review)

I have had a GiVi Top Case mounted on my PC for over a year.   I will try 
to answer some of your questions.

1.  My wife says the GiVi Back Rest is more comfortable than the Honda's.

2.  My case is black, and it matches my 94 PC.  I don't know if they come 
in red, but I think the case makes the bike more attractive.

3.   The GiVi has its own mounting kit, and is easily detached.  I 
usually carry it into the hotel with the Honda Inserts from the bike's 
trunk.

4.  The GiVi case makes opening and closing the trunk a little heavier, 
but not difficult.

5.  The case does not seem to effect the bikes balance or handling. 

Bernie 
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From: TedJ101@aol.com
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:30:56 EST
To: Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Cc: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: How much Do You Ride Your Bike?

In a message dated 98-02-02 06:23:39 EST, Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com writes:

<< Roger Prince marks his daily calendar when he rides his bike...you might
 try that, then look back at the end of the month and total up how many days
 you rode your bike.
  >>


Roger might save time and effort by marking the days he doesn't ride to work
<g>...

Regards,
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From: TedJ101@aol.com
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:30:59 EST
To: AndyRTurner@COMPUSERVE.COM, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: PC Review

In a message dated 98-02-02 19:23:09 EST, AndyRTurner@COMPUSERVE.COM writes:

<< I was disapointed in his comments that the engine has a very narrow power
band and 
 frequent gear changes are required to keep the motor happy as I would have
thought 
 that a Vee twin 800cc bike would have planty of torque.  How do you owners
out 
 there find this.??  I ride a GSX1100G at present and with this being a 4
cylinder I 
 find myself constantly trying to slow down as it is not so happy at the lower
revs. >>

He's completely out to lunch on that.  Read the road test in Motorcycle
Consumer News and the accompanying dyno test.  The PC has one of the flattest
torque curves known to man.  Changing gears does very little to change the
amount of power you get.  I don't know what this guy was riding, but it wasn't
a PC <G>!  (Actually, he showed his lack of technical sophistication by making
the statement that he did.  He simply doesn't understand power delivery at
all.  He also doesn't understand the PC and its philosophy...)

Regards,
           <<TED>>
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From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 06:07:44 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Additional Storage (was PC800: PC Review)

Hi, Paul:

In a message dated 98-02-02 17:14:13 EST, you write:

<< There is also a strap in the front of the bag which goes around the
steering head - again, I see no place to route it on
 the PC. And other bags that use gas tank type harnesses would seemingly be
foiled by the totally enclosed PC bodywork. I'm baffled. >>

If you remove the two covers just ahead of the "Tank" below the handlbar, you
can get access to the steering head area.  There you can attach the forward
mounting straps for the bag.  The straps are probably thin enough so that you
can replace the two covers with little or no distortion of the back edge.  You
could remove a small amount of the plastic from the covers if the straps are
thick enough to produce excessive distortion.  I also made some routing loops
out of old parachute suspension line tied around the front subframe tubes to
keep the front straps near the outer edges of the openings such that they
lined up with the buckles on the bag.  Without these lateral restraints, the
straps tend to pull inward when tightened, distorting the front section of the
bag.  When I'm not using the tank bag, I simply stow the front buckles under
the covers for a 100% stock appearance.

This is all a bit tedious to set up properly at first, but it only has to be
done once.  However, if you already have a magnetic-mount bag, you might want
to go with the magnets-glued-under-the-plastic approach.

JT
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From: "Mark Lucas" <mjlucas@earthlink.net>
To: "PC800 Mailing List" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Tune up time?
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:56:11 -0800

All this talk of the smoothness of the PC has got me wondering if it isn't
time for a tune-up.  The old girl has 6200 on it and had fresh spark plugs
in at 3000 during the oil change (I guess because the dealer wanted the
extra income).   She's not too hard starting, but harder than I seem to
remember, and she definitely doesn't want to warm up like she used to.  I'm
noticing vibration coming through the foot pegs, and she definitely is
louder.  Anyone have any ideas, or does she need just a good tune up.  I'm
wondering if moving from Washington DC to Los Angeles has done anything.
Maybe something shifted on the truck from all the bouncing around?  Don't
know, grasping at straws, but that seems to be when she started not behaving
as well.

Maybe its' just that my riding has changed.  I commute to work (as I did in
DC) all surface streets, but here I'm only going about 7 miles one way.  In
DC it was more like 15 miles one way.  And I know the engine usually got hot
enough in DC for the fan to kick in.  Not here.  I'm to work before the temp
gauge moves much beyond the white dot.

Peace,
Mark Lucas
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:49:56 -0500
From: Andrew Turner <AndyRTurner@compuserve.com>
Subject: PC800: Baker Air Wings
To: Dave Lott <dlwinger@ix16.ix.netcom.com>
Cc: PC800 mail list <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>

Please excuse my ignorance but what are "AIR WINGS"...!!!  We don't have
them in the UK or not under that name anyway.

Andy Turner.
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From: Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:23:52 -0600
Subject: PC800: Picture


I remember a couple of months ago I came across a picture, (drawing),  of a
PC800 on the Net.
It was black and white, frontal view, city sky line, with black rectangles
on the ground going into the distance giving a 3D affect to the drawing.
Does anybody have an idea of where I saw this picture. I found it while
trying some of the links I got off of this list.

Later
Roger


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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:52:00 -0800
Subject: Re: PC800: Tune up time?
From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy)

Mark,

That's just how mine acts when the carbs need synchronization.

Richard Hardy, San Diego
rahardy@juno.com

On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:56:11 -0800 "Mark Lucas" <mjlucas@earthlink.net>
writes:
>All this talk of the smoothness of the PC has got me wondering if it 
>isn't
>time for a tune-up.  The old girl has 6200 on it and had fresh spark 
>plugs
>in at 3000 during the oil change (I guess because the dealer wanted 
>the
>extra income).   She's not too hard starting, but harder than I seem 
>to
>remember, and she definitely doesn't want to warm up like she used to. 
> I'm
>noticing vibration coming through the foot pegs, and she definitely is
>louder.  Anyone have any ideas, or does she need just a good tune up.  
>I'm
>wondering if moving from Washington DC to Los Angeles has done 
>anything.
>Maybe something shifted on the truck from all the bouncing around?  
>Don't
>know, grasping at straws, but that seems to be when she started not 
>behaving
>as well.
>
>Maybe its' just that my riding has changed.  I commute to work (as I 
>did in
>DC) all surface streets, but here I'm only going about 7 miles one 
>way.  In
>DC it was more like 15 miles one way.  And I know the engine usually 
>got hot
>enough in DC for the fan to kick in.  Not here.  I'm to work before 
>the temp
>gauge moves much beyond the white dot.
>
>Peace,
>Mark Lucas
>http://home.earthlink.net/~mjlucas
>
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From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:53:50 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Tune up time?

Hi, Mark:

I suspect that 7 miles of LA surface streets twice day doesn't really get the
juices flowing properly. Sounds like it needs a good, long ride (and probably
a carb-synch).  This Sunday morning, head down "the 5" to SJ Capistrano and
then up the Ortega to the roadhouse. Grab some coffee and/or some food, tell
some lies with the guys and gals, and then run back down the mountain (Repeat
as necessary). Then see how she's runnin'.  

You might want to look into getting a Helix (an eminently sane urban vehicle)
for your daily commute and save the PC for more interesting stuff.

JT
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From: "Paul Johannsen" <pauljo@earthlink.net>
To: "PC800 Mailing List" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Another Givi Trunk Question
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:12:37 -0500

Thanks to all who posted info regarding the Givi Rack & Trunks. I'm leaning
toward
the E-460, but I have a question regarding the optional brake light. I
assume that
there is a power cord involved. You've all said that these trunks detach
quickly &
easily, and that there is a nice rack underneath. If I got the optional
brake light, is
there a dangling cord left behind when the trunk is off? I'm sure I'd want
to ride
with just the rack sometimes...

Also, on the larger ?Maxima? trunk, is that wrap around thing a light, or
just a
reflector? I'm assuming it is a light & the connecting cord question would
apply
with it as well.

Paul

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From: "Paul Johannsen" <pauljo@earthlink.net>
To: "PC800 Mailing List" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Cruise control question
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:23:27 -0500

I've seen mention of both a "Throttle Meister" and a "Vista Cruise" throttle
lock. One person stated that the "Throttle Meister" is nicer.

Any other opinions on this? Any other brands in use? I'm envisioning that
the
"Vista Cruise" is black plastic and the "Throttle Meister" is chromed
metal -
is that anywhere close to reality? Are both readily available?

Gosh, the last time I had one of these accessories was about 8 or 10 years
ago -
I can't even recall which motorcycle it was installed on.

Paul

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From: "Mark Lucas" <mjlucas@earthlink.net>
To: "PC800 Mailing List" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Tune up time?
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:16:45 -0800

Hehe...if this rain would stop.....I just might.....Hmmmmmmm know someone
good at synching carbs in Pasadena or nearby?

Peace,
Mark Lucas
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From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com <JTSMCRIDER@aol.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: PC800: Tune up time?


|Hi, Mark:
|
|I suspect that 7 miles of LA surface streets twice day doesn't really get
the
|juices flowing properly. Sounds like it needs a good, long ride (and
probably
|a carb-synch).  This Sunday morning, head down "the 5" to SJ Capistrano and
|then up the Ortega to the roadhouse. Grab some coffee and/or some food,
tell
|some lies with the guys and gals, and then run back down the mountain
(Repeat
|as necessary). Then see how she's runnin'.
|
|You might want to look into getting a Helix (an eminently sane urban
vehicle)
|for your daily commute and save the PC for more interesting stuff.
|
|JT
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From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:37:57 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Cruise control question

Hi, Paul
In a message dated 98-02-03 19:25:30 EST, you write:

<< I'm envisioning that the "Vista Cruise" is black plastic and the "Throttle
Meister" is chromed metal -
 is that anywhere close to reality? Are both readily available? >>

The "Vista Cruise" (actually, there are several of the same sort of thing with
different names) are black plastic/nylon.  The "Throttle Meister" is (I
believe) anodized aluminum rather than chromed, but I'll defer to those that
have one for the final word on that.  Both are readily available; all it takes
is money.

JT
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From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:49:15 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Tune up time?

Hi, again, Mark:

I don't know anyone out there, but I'm sure someone on the list will.
Actually, it isn't much of a job.  If you search the archives, there are
several posts giving detailed procedures.  Part of those procedures is the use
of a vacuum pump to fool the fuel valve into opening (because the vacuum
normal line to it is used for the balancing gage).  Another way of doing this
is to pinch off the hose with a clamp while the engine is running.  That will
hold the valve open after the line is disconnected from the fitting on the
intake.

JT
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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 23:04:49 -0600
From: Steve Wilson <deere@linknet.net>
To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: A little ride

The only thing good about being in the lawn care business is that the
day after an El nino rain its still to wet to mow but not to ride. I
went to the town I lived in from age 8 till 15 today just to see how
things have changed but mostly as an excuse to ride. With the wife at
work and me not, I needed an excuse. The first thing I noticed was that
the population had grown from 5000+- to 8100+-. Then at the first house
we lived in there was brick where there used to be painted wood. Next
there was a strip mall where the second house had been. And finally the
last house looked the same, except the pine in the front yard was much
larger than I remember. Its only been 27 years. The best part of the
trip was me and my PC and 265 miles of sunshine and highway. I'm renewed
and ready for another rainy day but especially for the soggy day after.
Wish you all could have been there.
Steve Wilson
Ruston LA
95 PC800

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From: "A.T. Green" <atg@technologist.com>
To: "pc800" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Lights
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:12:40 -0800

Group,

Has anyone installed these Saeng lights or heard of how they work?

http://www.saeng.com/catalog/products_80.html

The mounting looks pretty good on the page.


Thanks.


Drew
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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 21:19:19 -0800
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Greg Chambers <greg501@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: PC800: Tune up time?

Mark - Sounds like she's getting the royal treatment!  I have almost 10,000
on my 96 and have only changed the oil so far.  Everything seems up to
snuff. - Greg

At 05:56 AM 2/3/98 -0800, Mark Lucas wrote:
>All this talk of the smoothness of the PC has got me wondering if it isn't
>time for a tune-up.  The old girl has 6200 on it and had fresh spark plugs
>in at 3000 during the oil change (I guess because the dealer wanted the
>extra income).   

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From: Craig Carter <ccarter@wans.net>
To: "'A.T. Green'" <atg@technologist.com>, pc800 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: PC800: Lights
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 23:38:48 -0600

They look great!  Wonder how they compare to the Tenzo lights
everyone has installed?  A comparison of size, brightness, etc..
Craig C.
'95 PC800

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Group,

Has anyone installed these Saeng lights or heard of how they work?

http://www.saeng.com/catalog/products_80.html

The mounting looks pretty good on the page.


Thanks.


Drew
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From: timmacy@juno.com
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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:56:01 -0800
Subject: Re: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting 


On Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:34:23 -0900 "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
writes:
> I can just see it, "schools" of wild PCs from all over the world,
migrating to their >natural gathering place, by some mysterious instinct
he he...  :-)

Nan and I call large groups of Gold Wings "Gaggles of Wings"; I'm not
sure what a group of PCs would be called....

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From: timmacy@juno.com
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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:09:31 -0800
Subject: Re: PC800: Tune up time?

On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:56:11 -0800 "Mark Lucas" <mjlucas@earthlink.net>
writes:
>All this talk of the smoothness of the PC has got me wondering if it
isn't time for a >tune-up.  The old girl has 6200 on it....

"Old Girl?"  6200 on it?  Oh, jeez, Dana and Roger and a few others of us
had better start looking for an Old Motorcycles Home for our
geezermachines!  :-}}  Sorry, Mark, I just couldn't resist it.....

Tim Macy
Portland, OR
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From: timmacy@juno.com
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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:22:55 -0800
Subject: PC800: Warming Up the Stealth...

Last Saturday provided a welcome respite from the on-again off-again rain
that characterizes a normal Northwestern Winter; it was mid-50s and
sunny. I needed to warm the Stealth up so I could change the oil--so I
got together with two friends and took a 150-mile jaunt into the Coastal
Range. Tony was from Gresham, which is on the Cascades side of Portland,
and although Ernie was from my side of town he hadn't ridden in years. So
even though we took a route that I had ridden many times before, it was
new to them and I enjoyed their pleasure at riding a new route
vicariously. 

Ernie was riding a new Harley; he hadn't ridden in years, so I promised
to take it easy. His previous bike had been an '89 PC--he had been one of
the first PC owners in Portland. Unfortunately, about 700 miles after he
got it, his wife took off with another guy and during the divorce
proceedings she tried to commander the bike from him. Vowing that he
would rather torch it and turn it into a pile of smoldering plastic
first, he sold the bike rather than see her boyfriend get it. So he
hadn't ridden in about 8 years.

We drove Skyline Road first and I was pleased to discover that the gravel
laid down to combat the snow/ice from a storm about 3 weeks ago had been
pretty much pushed to the sides of the road. So we ventured further into
the Coastal Range and ended up in Vernonia. During a break at a lake just
north of town, a conversation with "Bill", one of Vernonia's colorful
characters,  had us heading towards a local restaurant for lunch. When
was the last time that you had two hamburgers for a buck? And the
conversations with the locals was worth the stop.

On the way back to Portland Ernie peeled off to head south on Hwy 47 and
home, so Tony and I wicked it up a bit on some fun twisties that I know
of. Tony has an Interceptor which he picked up dirt cheap after the
previous owner had high-sided it when it had only 1000 miles on it. He
tore it down to the frame and totally built it back up, buying and
re-painting all of the plastic himself. The bike is an absolutely
gorgeous machine, and he only put $2600 into it!

All in all, it was a great way to spend the final Saturday in January.
And, yes, I changed the oil. And no, Juan, I didn't clean the
plugs...even though it had been over 2K since I had put new ones in
(okay, okay, so I'm a bit on the anal side....)!

Tim Macy
Portland, OR
'94 PC 800 - 64,953 Miles

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From: "A.T. Green" <atg@technologist.com>
To: "pc800" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Tune-Ups
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:46:32 -0800

Crew,

Speaking of tune-ups, I just got Skippy the Evil Twin back from it's 24K
service.

At $202.50 for labor, $99.49 for parts ($327.06 total), I was kind of
wondering how that compares to others experiences/expenses.

Service took a week (after wasting 4 days) unbelievable!! :-( to do it and
the service dept. were a surly bunch. I had to ask for the parts that I had
told them to save, and then they didn't volunteer to go over the condition
they were in. Finally, the repair person wrote on the order that the old
oil (1 month old) smelled like a burned clutch. I asked them why they
didn't call me to authorize a look see. No real answer.

One last thing, the choke lever is hard to pull up but pushes down
smoothly. I asked if lubing the choke was part of a 24K (which I know it
is) and they had to check. Sheesh!!!!  I then asked the svc mgr about it
and he said (are you ready for this!!) THEY ALL DO THAT!!!! I'd had enough
by that point to say "are you really going to feed me that old line!!!"

I think I used (past tense cause I am NOT going back) a bad Honda shop. Any
opinions???


Thanks



Drew
(not in a good mood)
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Subject: Re: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting 
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:47:49 -0800

Pods of PC's???

> Nan and I call large groups of Gold Wings "Gaggles of Wings"; I'm not
> sure what a group of PCs would be called....

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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 00:10:35 -0600
From: jgeistlubtx@door.net (geist, james)
To: "A.T. Green" <atg@technologist.com>
CC: pc800 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Tune-Ups

A.T. Green wrote:
> 
> Crew,
> 
> Speaking of tune-ups, I just got Skippy the Evil Twin back from it's 24K
> service.
> 
> At $202.50 for labor, $99.49 for parts ($327.06 total), I was kind of
> wondering how that compares to others experiences/expenses.
> 
> Service took a week (after wasting 4 days) unbelievable!! :-( to do it and
> the service dept. were a surly bunch. I had to ask for the parts that I had
> told them to save, and then they didn't volunteer to go over the condition
> they were in. Finally, the repair person wrote on the order that the old
> oil (1 month old) smelled like a burned clutch. I asked them why they
> didn't call me to authorize a look see. No real answer.
> 
> One last thing, the choke lever is hard to pull up but pushes down
> smoothly. I asked if lubing the choke was part of a 24K (which I know it
> is) and they had to check. Sheesh!!!!  I then asked the svc mgr about it
> and he said (are you ready for this!!) THEY ALL DO THAT!!!! I'd had enough
> by that point to say "are you really going to feed me that old line!!!"
> 
> I think I used (past tense cause I am NOT going back) a bad Honda shop. Any
> opinions???
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Drew
> (not in a good mood)
> --
Hey Drew,

One question.............What DID they do?

James 
Lubbock, Tx.
'90 PC
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From: "A.T. Green" <atg@technologist.com>
To: "pc800" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Tune-Ups
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:21:31 -0800

> Hey Drew,
> 
> One question.............What DID they do?
> 

James,

After getting back only THREE plugs...

I'm hoping.......something.
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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 23:54:28 -0800
From: Eric Matthews <ericeric@concentric.net>
To: timmacy@juno.com
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting

A Tupperware Party.

E.

timmacy@juno.com wrote:

> Nan and I call large groups of Gold Wings "Gaggles of Wings"; I'm not
> sure what a group of PCs would be called....
>
> Tim



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From: "Karen and Tom" <malcolm@redsuspenders.com>
To: "pacific coast owners group" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Yet another GIVI questiion
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 06:40:31 -0500



I seem to remember reading the GIVI mounts into existing grab rail =
holes? I like that idea. Has anyone had any experience with the GIVI and =
the optional Honda rear spoiler? I was wondering if there was any =
interference problems? =20

PS I like the tupperware party....nice touch. If you can't laugh at your =
self..
Some of my riding buddies make references to large kitchen appliances =
and porcelin bathroom fixtures when referring to my PC(89, white of =
course).


Tom Boynton(Waiting for spring in upstate New York)=20


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          Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:57:37 +0000

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From: "Mike Whited" <MikeTW@worldnet.att.net>
To: "A.T. Green" <atg@technologist.com>, "pc800" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Tune-Ups
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 06:35:40 -0500

Pull the choke out and apply a little wd-40 to the exposed metal and push
it in and out a few times..see if this helps.It does mine.

Mike
Columbus OH
'94 PC

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> From: A.T. Green <atg@technologist.com>
> To: pc800 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
> Subject: PC800: Tune-Ups
> Date: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 12:46 AM
> 
> Crew,
> 
> Speaking of tune-ups, I just got Skippy the Evil Twin back from it's 24K
> service.
> 
> At $202.50 for labor, $99.49 for parts ($327.06 total), I was kind of
> wondering how that compares to others experiences/expenses.
> 
> Service took a week (after wasting 4 days) unbelievable!! :-( to do it
and
> the service dept. were a surly bunch. I had to ask for the parts that I
had
> told them to save, and then they didn't volunteer to go over the
condition
> they were in. Finally, the repair person wrote on the order that the old
> oil (1 month old) smelled like a burned clutch. I asked them why they
> didn't call me to authorize a look see. No real answer.
> 
> One last thing, the choke lever is hard to pull up but pushes down
> smoothly. I asked if lubing the choke was part of a 24K (which I know it
> is) and they had to check. Sheesh!!!!  I then asked the svc mgr about it
> and he said (are you ready for this!!) THEY ALL DO THAT!!!! I'd had
enough
> by that point to say "are you really going to feed me that old line!!!"
> 
> I think I used (past tense cause I am NOT going back) a bad Honda shop.
Any
> opinions???
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> Drew
> (not in a good mood)
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From: "Mike Whited" <MikeTW@worldnet.att.net>
To: <timmacy@juno.com>, <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Tune up time?
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 06:53:01 -0500


> 
> "Old Girl?"  6200 on it?  Oh, jeez, Dana and Roger and a few others of us
> had better start looking for an Old Motorcycles Home for our
> geezermachines!  :-}}  Sorry, Mark, I just couldn't resist it.....

I visited the AMA museum about 8-10 years ago (I recommend it highly)
and was amazed at how many bikes that were on display.

Unfortunately, I had owned, riden (or knew someone that did) about 40% of
them!

It's kinda' depressing to go to a museum and see YOUR past in it!

Harley...Matchless...Royal
Enfield...Vincent...Norton...BSA...Indian...Honda 50,90,305,350/4,450,750SS

No...I had no connection with the Henderson!! but there were some REAL
GEEZERS there with misty eyes!

Mike
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From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:07:57 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Tune-Ups

In a message dated 98-02-04 00:55:11 EST, Drew writes:

<< I think I used (past tense cause I am NOT going back) a bad Honda shop. Any
 opinions???
  >>

Yep!

JT
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From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:07:54 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting

In a message dated 98-02-04 00:46:57 EST, Tim writes:

<< Nan and I call large groups of Gold Wings "Gaggles of Wings"; I'm not
 sure what a group of PCs would be called....
  >>

Hmmm?  How about a Pod?

JT
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From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:13:44 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Tune up time?

In a message dated 98-02-04 06:58:38 EST, Mike writes:

<< It's kinda' depressing to go to a museum and see YOUR past in it!
  >>

Yeah, I know that feeling.  I have the same problem at air museums.  At the
Air Force Museum at Wright-Patterson, they even have a couple of the actual
airplanes that I have flown sitting there . . . silently.  Sniff! Sniff!

JT
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From: Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:03:42 -0600
Subject: Re: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting



Pride of PC's!!

> Pods of PC's???
> Nan and I call large groups of Gold Wings "Gaggles of Wings"; I'm not
> sure what a group of PCs would be called....



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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 09:19:46 -0800
From: "Gregg L. DesElms" <deselms@royal.net>
To: Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting

Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com wrote:
> 
> Pride of PC's!!
> 
> > Pods of PC's???
> > Nan and I call large groups of Gold Wings "Gaggles of Wings"; I'm not
> > sure what a group of PCs would be called....
>

A litter.

Gregg DesElms
deselms@royal.net
'89 PC800
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From: Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:24:44 -0600
Subject: Re: PC800: Picture


Thanks Gerard that's the one I was looking for.

If any one would like to see the picture it's at:

Europe site:
http://www.dsv.nl/~pce/pictures/lo-great.jpg

USA mirror site:
http://www.denver.net/~agray/pictures/lo-great.htm

Later


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From: BernieK469@aol.com
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:34:30 EST
To: Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re:  Re: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting

A group of PC is called a covey of PCs.

Bernie
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From: Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:04:07 -0600
Subject: PC800: Service whoa's


I remember many years ago (well depending on your age it could be many or
seem like yesterday) with my 82' Yamaha Maxim 750 I was having problems
with the right two cylinder's fouling up. They would get a black powder on
them, if I cleaned them the bike would be good for another 100 miles. Well
I took the bike into the shop and described the problem, 'No problem they
said we'll fix her for ya.'.

Well to make a long story short, after bringing my bike in for the fourth
time I said 'What do you have, a bunch of rookies working on my f****ing
bike or what!!!'. 'No sir they are not rookies we are, (ready for this)
trying to *SAVE* you money.' Well I told them that my bike sitting in your
shop for a month is not saving me money if I can't ride the thing, I want
it fixed and I don't care what it cost because I want to ride, that's what
I bought it for.

Will the next day they called and said it was fixed. It was by gosh, I took
it on a nice long ride and it ran great, not a problem, super.

So after tune-ups, carbs torn down and cleaned and what ever else they did
it ended up to be a clogged fuel petcock. It has two hoses coming down ,
one would go to the left two cylinders and the other to the right. That's
why only the right would foul up.

Anyway live and learn.

Two things, one I haven't been back and yes I did get a break on my costs.

Later


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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 08:34:35 -0800
From: Alan Taylor <ka2wij@earthlink.net>
To: "geist, james" <jgeistlubtx@door.net>
CC: "A.T. Green" <atg@technologist.com>, pc800 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Tune-Ups



geist, james wrote:

> A.T. Green wrote:
> >
> > Crew,
> >
> > Speaking of tune-ups, I just got Skippy the Evil Twin back from it's 24K
> > service.
> >
> > At $202.50 for labor, $99.49 for parts ($327.06 total), I was kind of
> > wondering how that compares to others experiences/expenses.
> >

I just had the 24k done on Midnight, and the price was about the same.

I had brought it in on a Saturday morning with a loss of power/backfiring problem
that turned out to be a loose plug with a broken electrode. the shop called
monday morning with the diagnosis, and the service manager recommended the
service since i was at 23.6k. I gave the go ahead and it was ready that evening.

When I picked it up, the service manager went over the work that was done, and
gave me a diagnostic print out.

The only problem was that the tech had dropped the dipstick, breaking it, The
shop ordered a new one and replaced the next day without charge.

This was Mid-cities honda in Paramount CA.

Alan Taylor
95 PC800 "Midnight"
Long Beach, CA


>

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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 98 08:41:04 PST
From: "Wanda Bailie" <wanda_bailie@smtpgw.kentrox.com>
To: timmacy@juno.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "A.T. Green" <atg@technologist.com>
Subject: Re[2]: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting 

     Killer.......just like our whales on the Pacific Coast.
     Wanda Bailie '95 PC800 "Black Beauty"


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Subject: Re: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting 
Author:  "A.T. Green" <atg@technologist.com> at INTERNET-KENTROX
Date:    2/3/98 9:49 PM


Pods of PC's???
     
> Nan and I call large groups of Gold Wings "Gaggles of Wings"; I'm not 
> sure what a group of PCs would be called....
     

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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 20:37:35 +0100
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: HPCE Gerard <pce@dsv.nl>
Subject: PC800: More CorelDRAW files

Dear friends,

I have traced a picture of a girlfriends PC800 with CorelDRAW, it
represents a PC800 on it's side stand and is available in (for the moment)
4 colors: White, Red, Black and model '96 red.

Soon the light blue and silver model will come available.
You can download a zip file with the CorelDRAW file of your favorite color.
NOTE: all files are so called vector drawings, meaning that they are
scalable without quality loss.

I used my color for on a T-shirt and business cards, but there are no
limitations to it, the files are created with CorelDRAW 4.0, so they should
work with all versions equal or higher.

The addresses:
Europe:
http://www.dsv.nl/~pce/int-pc800-corel.htm

USA mirror:
http://www.denver.net/~agray/int-pc800-corel.htm

These are temporary files, because I didn't have found time to inter grate
it into the layout yet, sorry!

Have fun.
Gerard
Gerard Diepeveen, Secretary for
Honda Pacific Coast Europe
email: pce@dsv.nl
Webpager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/2149445
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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 17:30:56 -0600
From: Jeff Hopkins <hopkinsj@telepath.com>
To: PC800 Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Covers

I'll make the PC800 Group a deal on these "seconds" covers.  $50
including shipping anywhere in the USA.  No out of country orders.  Call
405-527-1444 or E-mail.

Thanks,

Jeff Hopkins

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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:01:36 -0500
From: Andrew Turner <AndyRTurner@compuserve.com>
Subject: RE:PC800: Baker Air Wings
To: PC800 mail list <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>

Dana,
I only live in Scotland, I'm not actually Scottish so you will have to tr=
y
harder than that....???

Any advance on a good description of what air wings are?

Andy Turner.
An Englishman In Bonnie Scotland.
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From:   Dana L. Sawyer, Dana_Sawyer
TO:     Andrew Turner, AndyRTurner
DATE:   98/02/03 21:20

RE:     PC800: Baker Air Wings

Hi, Andy!

You wrote...
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Please excuse my ignorance but what are "AIR WINGS"...!!!  We don't have
them in the UK or not under that name anyway.
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Air wings are small wings that lift your motorcycle slightly above the
ground =

At speeds above 125 mph...increases speed and mileage by 50%. The =

Principle is just the reverse of ground effects for downdraft on racing
cars. =

One pair attaches at the rear axle and another pair around the rider's
waist.

Dana
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From: "Paul Johannsen" <pauljo@earthlink.net>
To: "PC800 Mailing List" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: PC800 Suspension Question
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:40:24 -0500

I've heard that one rear shock is pre-load adjustable on a PC800 - and
that's it
for suspension adjustments. Has this been a problem for anyone?

I also heard that Works Performance makes aftermarket shocks for the PC
(and that the President of Works Performance owns a PC). Anyone have
experience with the Works Performance suspension? I also wonder if they
supply their dual rate fork springs for the PC...

I know that the best single thing I did for my VT1100 Shadow was to replace
the stock Honda Suspension with Progressive Suspension shocks & fork
springs. This gave a major improvement in handling, and I haven't bottomed
out
once with the new suspension. The ride is still quite acceptable as well.

Paul

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From: "Paul Johannsen" <pauljo@earthlink.net>
To: "PC800 Mailing List" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: PC800 Serviceability access
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:02:59 -0500

Yep it's me... "Mr Questions" again. And I must confess to splitting my time
over
in the COG mailing list lately... I've been lucky enough to receive some
good,
detailed responses from several people who have both the PC and the Connie
parked in their garage. I wish I could do the same, but I unfortunately have
to
choose just one.

One response from an owner of both (over in the COG group and overall
biased toward the Connie) - said that it was a 45 minute ordeal just to get
to the air cleaner on a PC - and about an hour to pull the battery for
winter
storage. Is this anywhere close to the truth?

I'm a big fan of electric garments, since I live in the Northeast. I'm sure
some of
you must be running Electric Vests / Gloves off of your PCs. Any problems
there?
Is it tough to route the power cord from the battery to the outside of the
plastic
panels?

Do Honda service departments generally cringe when they see a PC come in? Or
are they used to servicing the bike. Also, any problems with plastic panels
improperly
replaced or damaged during service?

I'll probably hit my Honda dealer with the same questions, but I suspect
they'll slant
their answers toward what I want to hear... They are pretty decent folks
actually,
but they're trying to make a living too.

Paul

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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 15:12:18 -0900
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
Subject: PC800: PC800 Suspension Question

At 18:40 2/4/98 -0500, Paul Johannsen wrote:
>I've heard that one rear shock is pre-load adjustable on a PC800 - and
>that's it for suspension adjustments. Has this been a problem for anyone?

Not in 22k miles, but I ride solo and the suspension is starting show its
age.  Replacements are forthcoming and they will be Progresive up front, WP
on rear.  Probably next winter. YMMV

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From: "Ramin Keyvan" <ramin@tibco.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:12:56 -0800
        "PC800: PC800 Serviceability access" (Feb  4,  7:02pm)
To: "Paul Johannsen" <pauljo@earthlink.net>,
        "PC800 Mailing List" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 Serviceability access

Hey! Didn't I just respond to you on the COG list? ;-)


On Feb 4,  7:02pm, Paul Johannsen wrote:
> Subject: PC800: PC800 Serviceability access
> Yep it's me... "Mr Questions" again. And I must confess to splitting my time
> over
> in the COG mailing list lately... I've been lucky enough to receive some
> good,
> detailed responses from several people who have both the PC and the Connie
> parked in their garage. I wish I could do the same, but I unfortunately have
> to
> choose just one.

	That sucks!
>
> One response from an owner of both (over in the COG group and overall
> biased toward the Connie) - said that it was a 45 minute ordeal just to get
> to the air cleaner on a PC - and about an hour to pull the battery for
> winter
> storage. Is this anywhere close to the truth?

	Can't help ya there. Erin's bike only has 2000miles on it so it hasn't
become an issue. But I can tell you that there is a lot of plastic surrounding
everything on the PC. However, with a little bit of practice and patience
(read: "Don't YANK on anything!") you can undress her pretty quickly.


> Do Honda service departments generally cringe when they see a PC come in? Or
> are they used to servicing the bike. Also, any problems with plastic panels
> improperly
> replaced or damaged during service?

	Well, the last time I scheduled a full service for the bikes, my Connie
cost me around $350.00 and Erin's PC only cost around $110.00. You decide which
one they like better :-).


Hope this helps too ;-). See you  back on the COG side ;-).

Cheers,

Ramin

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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 15:23:09 -0900
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
Subject: PC800: Serviceability access

At 19:02 2/4/98 -0500, Paul Johannsen wrote:
>One response from an owner of both (over in the COG group and overall
>biased toward the Connie) - said that it was a 45 minute ordeal just to get
>to the air cleaner on a PC - and about an hour to pull the battery for
>winter storage. Is this anywhere close to the truth?

Go back and ask him what was he smoking. (Maybe too many beers before
actually starting the job?). I can get to the air filter in about 10
minutes, the battery out in about the same time, but I just installed
pigtails for a battery charger. My PC hibernates inside a heated garage
though.  

>Is it tough to route the power cord from the battery to the outside of the
>plastic panels?

No problem, the seat has a small gap that allows you to route the power
cord underneath it.  Or, you could install a cigar lighter/BMW power outlet
and modify the cable of your electrics to plug into this.

>Do Honda service departments generally cringe when they see a PC come in? Or
>are they used to servicing the bike. Also, any problems with plastic panels
>improperly replaced or damaged during service?

Yes, not really and yes. I usually undress my bike before taking it in the
shop.  That way I know it is done properly, and if something breaks, I've
got no one to blame but myself.  Th PC is pretty unike in that you can
remove every single panel and still ride it around, though it looks like
some prop out of the "Terminator" movie.
Regular service stuff I do myself.

>I'll probably hit my Honda dealer with the same questions, but I suspect
>they'll slant their answers toward what I want to hear... They are pretty
decent >folks actually, but they're trying to make a living too.

Understandable.

Juan

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From: Jim Randall <jrandall@tricon.net>
To: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: FW: Re: PC800: PC Review
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:32:01 -0500

Sure, just think about all the things that are best when black...

Jack Daniels best sippin' whiskey is BLACK Label
Martial arts highest level of proficiency is the BLACK Belt
The most formal form of dress is BLACK tie
The best Cajun style food is BLACKEND
The best lookin' PCs are the BLACK 94s and 95s

Jim Randall
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From:	John Louk [SMTP:johnnytech@email.msn.com]
Sent:	Monday, February 02, 1998 9:02 PM
To:	Jim Randall
Subject:	Re: Re: PC800: PC Review

Black the best color??  In your dreams, Jim.

John  '90 PC "Ruby"





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From: Jim Randall <jrandall@tricon.net>
To: "'Paul Johannsen'" <pauljo@earthlink.net>
Cc: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: PC800: Cruise control question
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:06:33 -0500

Yes, the VistaCruise is charcoal gray nylon; the Throttlemeister is =
metal. They do the same thing but in very different ways. The =
VistaCruise (which I have on my '95) attaches to the stationary plastic =
handlebar and holds the thottle position by squeezing the thottle grip. =
The Throttlemeister replaces the bar end weight and holds the thottle by =
expanding against it.=20

Jim Randall
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From:	Paul Johannsen [SMTP:pauljo@earthlink.net]
Sent:	Tuesday, February 03, 1998 7:23 PM
To:	PC800 Mailing List
Subject:	PC800: Cruise control question

I've seen mention of both a "Throttle Meister" and a "Vista Cruise" =
throttle
lock. One person stated that the "Throttle Meister" is nicer.

Any other opinions on this? Any other brands in use? I'm envisioning =
that
the
"Vista Cruise" is black plastic and the "Throttle Meister" is chromed
metal -
is that anywhere close to reality? Are both readily available?

Gosh, the last time I had one of these accessories was about 8 or 10 =
years
ago -
I can't even recall which motorcycle it was installed on.

Paul

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From: pckwong@hkusua.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: Re: PC800: Covers
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:53:54 +0800 (HKT)

> 
> I'll make the PC800 Group a deal on these "seconds" covers.  $50
> including shipping anywhere in the USA.  No out of country orders.  Call
> 405-527-1444 or E-mail.

With less than $50US, you guys able to get a custom cover tailored for PCs
from here in Hong Kong, air postage included.  And, there will be 3 diffe-
-rent materials to choose from.  The cover runs you approx. $38-$40, plus
another $10 for postage HKG-USA.  Materials: medium weight decron,
breathable light weight nylon, non-breathable nylon; color light blue,
dark blue, black, silver, dark red.

$50 for a "second" cover, unknown material, no perfectly fit to the
bike?  No thanks.  I want perfection.

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From: "Lonnie Harbour" <laughy@southeast.net>
To: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Re: PC800: PC Review
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 20:25:13 -0500

Talked to a friend at work today who said the '98 ST1100s are coming out in
black.  Hmm, I wonder if that means the '98 PCs will too?

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>Sure, just think about all the things that are best when black...
[deletia]

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From: "Prince, Roger" <RPrince@imps0014.us.dg.com>
To: "'Paul Johannsen'" <pauljo@earthlink.net>,
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Subject: RE: PC800: PC800 Suspension Question
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 20:41:59 -0500

The OEM shocks are ok for a short time if riding 2-up.  Longer solo.
But WP shocks are such an improvement they are worth changing as soon as
possible.  They are non-adjustable once installed.  Not sure about the
fork springs but I think they are available for the PC.

Roger

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Paul Johannsen [SMTP:pauljo@earthlink.net]
> 
> I've heard that one rear shock is pre-load adjustable on a PC800 - and
> that's it
> for suspension adjustments. Has this been a problem for anyone?
> 
> I also heard that Works Performance makes aftermarket shocks for the
> PC
> (and that the President of Works Performance owns a PC). Anyone have
> experience with the Works Performance suspension? I also wonder if
> they
> supply their dual rate fork springs for the PC...
> 
> I know that the best single thing I did for my VT1100 Shadow was to
> replace
> the stock Honda Suspension with Progressive Suspension shocks & fork
> springs. This gave a major improvement in handling, and I haven't
> bottomed
> out
> once with the new suspension. The ride is still quite acceptable as
> well.
> 
> Paul
> 
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From: BernieK469@aol.com
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 20:39:29 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Re: Throttle Controls

Just one sentence - Throttlemeister rules!

The throttlemeister is a billet piece that fits on the end
of your handlebar.  Beautifully made, and it works well.
A very fine piece. They are expensive, over $100.

There are black plastic throttle locks that fit on your
handlebars, in between the hand grip and your switches.  
I know some people swear by these, but I've owned two
and both sucked.  I have never been able to get them 
adjusted correctly.  If I loosen the thing up, it wont 
hold the throttle in place.  If I tighten it up enough
to hold the throttle in place, the throttle wont snap
back when I let go of it. 

Joe 



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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 20:28:36 -0600
From: Mike Ver Velde <m.vervelde@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: PC800: How much Do You Ride Your Bike?
To: "Dana L. Sawyer" <Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com>,
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From: Dana L. Sawyer <Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com>
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Date: Monday, February 02, 1998 5:23 AM
Subject: PC800: How much Do You Ride Your Bike?


With the New Year just upon us, have you thought about making a resolution
to ride your bike more often in 1998? Perhaps your job is one which you
could just as easily ride your bike as drive your car...give it a try!
Before I retired, I commuted regularly to work on my Pacific Coast. One
advantage I had was that, as a state employee, I had underground
parking...that made it convenient to keep the bike out of the weather and
away from prying eyes. How about running local errands, going to the store,
church, meetings...could you just as easily ride your bike? Doing so might
make it easier to justify...for example...buying that new expenside riding
suit...or...justifing to your better half that you need to trade for that
spiffy new model sitting in your dealer's window!

Roger Prince marks his daily calendar when he rides his bike...you might
try that, then look back at the end of the month and total up how many days
you rode your bike.

The bottom line is...the manufacturer put wheels on our bikes...we ought to
put them on the road at every opportunity! While you're doing it, be real
careful out there!

Dana

P.S. Perhaps you can eventually reduce your four-wheeled fleet by using
your bike more...Lynn and I have done that, and we enjoy the freedom from
the cost of the "cage," plus the additional expense of maintenance,
property taxes and insurance since we sold our second car.


While I pretty much commute daily on my PC (except not much this past month
thanks to Senor El Nino), I decided to see if I could track major expenses
by category on our Quicken money program.  Will try to compare to last year
(pre-PC) when I drove the truck.  Will be interesting...

Mike V

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From: timmacy@juno.com
 by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id AxU02147; Thu, 05 Feb 1998 00:02:27 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 20:03:13 -0800
Subject: Re: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting


>timmacy@juno.com wrote:  I'm not sure what a group of PCs would be
called....

On Tue, 03 Feb 1998 23:54:28 -0800 Eric Matthews
<ericeric@concentric.net> writes: A Tupperware Party.

Perfect, Eric! I've got it...The Great Pacific Coast Pacific Coast
Tupperware Party!

Tim

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From: timmacy@juno.com
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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 20:40:25 -0800
Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 Serviceability access


On Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:12:56 -0800 "Ramin Keyvan" <ramin@tibco.com>
writes:
> Erin's bike only has 2000 miles on it so it hasn't become an issue. But
I can tell >you that there is a lot of plastic surrounding everything on
the PC. However, with >a little bit of practice and patience (read:
"Don't YANK on anything!") you can >undress her pretty quickly.

I'M...NOT...TOUCHING...THAT...LINE! Anyone else care to?   :-}}

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From: timmacy@juno.com
 by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id AxX02147; Thu, 05 Feb 1998 00:02:28 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 20:36:09 -0800
Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 Serviceability access


On Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:02:59 -0500 "Paul Johannsen" <pauljo@earthlink.net>
writes:

>One response from an owner of both (over in the COG group and overall
biased >toward the Connie) - said that it was a 45 minute ordeal just to
get to the air >cleaner on a PC - and about an hour to pull the battery
for winter storage. Is this >anywhere close to the truth?

Yup, Paul, I'd say that's a pretty good time estimate....if you're not
using any tools. The poor man must be digitally challenged.

Tim

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From: timmacy@juno.com
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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:02:54 -0800
Subject: Re: PC800: A little ride


On Tue, 03 Feb 1998 23:04:49 -0600 Steve Wilson <deere@linknet.net>
writes:
> I went to the town I lived in from age 8 till 15 today just to see how
things have >changed but mostly as an excuse to ride. With the wife at
work and me not, I >needed an excuse.

Steve, Steve, Steve.....you're NOT supposed to actually commit to that in
writing! You're going to get all of us in trouble! Now let's see how we
can revise that...maybe to "I rode over there to see if I could drum up
some business". There, that's better. Now you can also write off the
mileage as "business expense". 

Whew...I hope Nan didn't read this.....

Tim

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 00:19:30 -0500
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Francois Saint Laurent <fsl@borgconsulting.com>
Subject: Re: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting

>>timmacy@juno.com wrote:

>Perfect, Eric! I've got it...The Great Pacific Coast Pacific Coast
>Tupperware Party!
>
>Tim
>

How about ....

"The Politically Correct Party Connection for Pretty Cool People Caring for
Pacific Coast bikes Participating Concurrently riding the Pacific Coast
highway along the Pacific Coast driving Pacific Coasts"

or PCPCPCPCPCPCPCPCPC for short?


Then again...that name would cost a fortune to imprint on a T-shirt! Plus,
it would only be available in extra long sleeve so that it all fits!

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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 21:54:02 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <pilewis1@concentric.net>
To: timmacy@juno.com
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting
		<34D81EB4.C04CDE29@concentric.net> <19980204.210634.4558.0.timmacy@juno.com>



timmacy@juno.com wrote:

> >timmacy@juno.com wrote:  I'm not sure what a group of PCs would be
> called....
>
> On Tue, 03 Feb 1998 23:54:28 -0800 Eric Matthews
> <ericeric@concentric.net> writes: A Tupperware Party.
>
> Perfect, Eric! I've got it...The Great Pacific Coast Pacific Coast
> Tupperware Party!
>
> Tim

I'd vote for that, but........................................ Are we going
to get into some legal problem with the Tupperware Company!! ??

Phil

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From: "HPCE Gerard" <pce@dsv.nl>
To: "Paul Johannsen" <pauljo@earthlink.net>,
        "PC800 Mailing List" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 Serviceability access
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:56:16 +0100

> I'm a big fan of electric garments, since I live in the Northeast. I'm
sure
> some of you must be running Electric Vests / Gloves off of your PCs. Any
problems
> there?  Is it tough to route the power cord from the battery to the
outside of the
> plastic  panels?

Why not install a cigarette plug like I did, that way you can charge the
battery, and you can
use it to plug electric vests or gloves or anything else.
More information on how I installed the plug can be seen on our website.

Europe:
http://www.dsv.nl/~pce/mod-batteryload.htm

USA mirror:
http://www.denver.net/~agray/mod-batteryload.htm

Gerard, Pacific Coast Europe

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From: "HPCE Gerard" <pce@dsv.nl>
To: "Prince, Roger" <RPrince@imps0014.us.dg.com>,
        "'Paul Johannsen'" <pauljo@earthlink.net>,
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Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 Suspension Question
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:20:09 +0100

> The OEM shocks are ok for a short time if riding 2-up.  Longer solo.
> But WP shocks are such an improvement they are worth changing as soon as
> possible.  They are non-adjustable once installed.  Not sure about the
> fork springs but I think they are available for the PC.

I agree with this, I had WPs (front) and Koni's (rear) installad right
after I bought the PC, it's a giant improvement.

Gerard
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From: "Mike Whited" <MikeTW@worldnet.att.net>
To: "Mike Ver Velde" <m.vervelde@MCI2000.com>,
        "Dana L. Sawyer" <Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com>,
        "HondaPacificCoastOwners" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
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Subject: Re: PC800: How much Do You Ride Your Bike?
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 06:50:31 -0500

Mt motto is
"No ice, no problem"

Unfortunately I live in central Ohio....I won't be riding today!

I only put 2,700 miles on my "cage" but 14,000 + on my PC last year. 

Mike

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> From: Mike Ver Velde <m.vervelde@MCI2000.com>
> To: Dana L. Sawyer <Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com>; HondaPacificCoastOwners
<pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
> Cc: HSTA Postings to List <hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu>
> Subject: Re: PC800: How much Do You Ride Your Bike?
> Date: Monday, February 02, 1998 9:28 PM
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dana L. Sawyer <Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com>
> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
> Cc: HSTA Postings to List <hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu>
> Date: Monday, February 02, 1998 5:23 AM
> Subject: PC800: How much Do You Ride Your Bike?
> 
> 
> With the New Year just upon us, have you thought about making a
resolution
> to ride your bike more often in 1998? Perhaps your job is one which you
> could just as easily ride your bike as drive your car...give it a try!
> Before I retired, I commuted regularly to work on my Pacific Coast. One
> advantage I had was that, as a state employee, I had underground
> parking...that made it convenient to keep the bike out of the weather and
> away from prying eyes. How about running local errands, going to the
store,
> church, meetings...could you just as easily ride your bike? Doing so
might
> make it easier to justify...for example...buying that new expenside
riding
> suit...or...justifing to your better half that you need to trade for that
> spiffy new model sitting in your dealer's window!
> 
> Roger Prince marks his daily calendar when he rides his bike...you might
> try that, then look back at the end of the month and total up how many
days
> you rode your bike.
> 
> The bottom line is...the manufacturer put wheels on our bikes...we ought
to
> put them on the road at every opportunity! While you're doing it, be real
> careful out there!
> 
> Dana
> 
> P.S. Perhaps you can eventually reduce your four-wheeled fleet by using
> your bike more...Lynn and I have done that, and we enjoy the freedom from
> the cost of the "cage," plus the additional expense of maintenance,
> property taxes and insurance since we sold our second car.
> 
> 
> While I pretty much commute daily on my PC (except not much this past
month
> thanks to Senor El Nino), I decided to see if I could track major
expenses
> by category on our Quicken money program.  Will try to compare to last
year
> (pre-PC) when I drove the truck.  Will be interesting...
> 
> Mike V
> 
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From: "Mark Lucas" <mjlucas@earthlink.net>
To: "PC800 Mailing List" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 Suspension Question
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 04:37:10 -0800

We found that riding two up on the stock suspension on DC pothole ridden
streets was a disaster.  Replaced the rear with Works, the front with
Progressive.  Great improvement in handling and no bottoming out.  Check out
the Archives for lots of discussion on suspension.

Peace,
Mark Lucas
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From: "Joe Beresford" <cableguy@one.net>
To: <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>, "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
Subject: PC800: more weather......
Date: 	Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:11:13 -0500

looks like I finally got some winter weather here...
last count was just shy of ONE FOOT of SNOW!!!
and I was gonna leave for Florida tomorrow morning, news is saying that I-75
is closed south of here....
sigh, arghhhh!

Fireman Joe
Cincinnati, Ohio

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From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:09:21 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 Serviceability access

In a message dated 98-02-05 01:55:46 EST, Paul writes:

<< Is it tough to route the power cord from the battery to the outside of the
plastic panels? >>

One solution that works well is to buy a Deltran Battery Tender (good idea in
any case).  It comes with a quick-disconnect cord that attaches to the
battery. I simply keep mine under the saddle when not in use and run it
between the saddle and passenger seat when I need it.  No holes; no hassles.
I use it to hook up the charger when I park the bike and for my electric vest
when riding.  Works perfectly for both.

JT
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From: "Mark Lucas" <mjlucas@earthlink.net>
To: "PC800 Mailing List" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Tune-Ups
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 05:29:53 -0800

Thanks for all the advice guys & gals.  I'll try to find the time to get the
carbs synched soon.  Hopefully the local shop here in Pasadena is competent
enough to do it.  If not, I guess it's over to the dealer in Glendale.  :-/
Hate moving and having to find a new competent shop.

Peace,
Mark Lucas
http://home.earthlink.net/~mjlucas

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Date: 5 Feb 1998 09:44:34 -0500
From: "Ted Gerarden" <t.gerarden@dcwm.com>
Subject: RE: Re: PC800: PC Review
To: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>, "Jim Randall" <jrandall@tricon.net>

Sorry, but you're only batting .200 at best.  Best sippin' whiskey is Scotch
(Johnnie Walker Red); the highest state of alert is red; most formal dress is
white tie and tails (no I'm not trying to help the '89ers); best Cajun style
is reddened (but if you get "blackened", try not to eat the "blackend" :-));
and the best looking PCs are '90 red!

Ted ('90 Red Ryder)
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From: Jim Randall on Wed, Feb 4, 1998 7:40 PM
Subject: FW: Re: PC800: PC Review
To: 'PC800 List'

Sure, just think about all the things that are best when black...

Jack Daniels best sippin' whiskey is BLACK Label
Martial arts highest level of proficiency is the BLACK Belt
The most formal form of dress is BLACK tie
The best Cajun style food is BLACKEND
The best lookin' PCs are the BLACK 94s and 95s

Jim Randall
jrandall@tricon.net

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From:	John Louk [SMTP:johnnytech@email.msn.com]
Sent:	Monday, February 02, 1998 9:02 PM
To:	Jim Randall
Subject:	Re: Re: PC800: PC Review

Black the best color??  In your dreams, Jim.

John  '90 PC "Ruby"





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From: GuntherSki@aol.com
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:39:38 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu
Subject: PC800: Trip to UK....

Hi All,

I'm headed to Jolly Old England for work at the end of March. I've heard about
a guy that has a PC club of sorts in South Wales. Are there any other HSTA
contacts over there...??  Any PC Contacts.....???  Any tips on bike rentals or
borrowing???  I'd like to go check out the track on the Isle of Mann.....  

Thanks,

TZ
Chicago  '94 PC800
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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:11:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Amy Rottier Donovan <platypus69@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 Serviceability access
To: Paul Johannsen <pauljo@earthlink.net>,
        PC800 Mailing List <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>

---Paul Johannsen <pauljo@earthlink.net> wrote:
snip...
> One response from an owner of both (over in the COG group and overall
> biased toward the Connie) - said that it was a 45 minute ordeal just
to get
> to the air cleaner on a PC - and about an hour to pull the battery for
> winter
> storage. Is this anywhere close to the truth?

Paul,

I'm new to the PC.  I just bought one (it was advertised on this list,
actually) and tagged it the other day.  It's an '89, and it had the
original battery.  I bought another battery, since this one was so old
(and it wasn't performing up to snuff).  Well, on Tuesday I took the
bike in to get it inspected.  I hadn't replaced the battery yet, since
I'd had it on the charger and it was working "fine".  Of course, when
I needed it to start for the inspection, it wouldn't.  So my husband
ran home, got the battery, and we sat in the service station parking
lot and replaced the battery.  It didn't take us more than 25 minutes.
 And neither of us had any experience with this kind of thing.  The
owner's manual (included with the bike) had detailed instructions. 
And fortunately the bike was warm enough that the panels were flexible.

> I'm a big fan of electric garments, since I live in the Northeast.
I'm sure
> some of
> you must be running Electric Vests / Gloves off of your PCs. Any
problems
> there?
> Is it tough to route the power cord from the battery to the outside
of the
> plastic
> panels?

I haven't done it myself, but the previous owner routed a power cord
for a radar detector such that it surfaces into the left fairing
pocket.  Very unobtrusive.

> 
> Do Honda service departments generally cringe when they see a PC
come in? Or
> are they used to servicing the bike. Also, any problems with plastic
panels
> improperly
> replaced or damaged during service?

I called the shop I'd probably work with, and they said they had 2
regular customers with PCs.  I'd call around and see if you can find a
shop that deals with them regularly.


Good luck!  So far (all of ~20 miles) I'm happy with mine.  When will
the rain stop??!!

Amy
==
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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  aka Platypus

How many surrealists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
  Two.  One to hold the giraffe and the other to fill the 
  bathtub with brightly colored machine tools.
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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 08:34:45 -0900
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
Subject: PC800: =?iso-8859-1?Q?The_Great_Y2K_PC=B2_Ride?=
 <19980203.214348.10686.43.timmacy@juno.com>
 <34D81EB4.C04CDE29@concentric.net>
 <19980204.210634.4558.0.timmacy@juno.com>

At 21:54 2/4/98 -0800, Phil wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Feb 1998 23:54:28 -0800 Eric Matthews
>> <ericeric@concentric.net> writes: A Tupperware Party.
>>
>> Perfect, Eric! I've got it...The Great Pacific Coast Pacific Coast
>> Tupperware Party!
>
>I'd vote for that, but........................................ Are we going
>to get into some legal problem with the Tupperware Company!! ??

Yeah, besides, everyone knows that a Tupperware party is when you take of
all the plastic on your bike to work on it :-) and at the Great Y2K PC=B2
Ride I am going there to ride, not to work on anything (I hope).

Juan

Inside every small problem is a big one trying to get government funding.=20
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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 10:16:10 -0800
From: Eric Matthews <ericeric@cris.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: The Great Y2K PC² Ride
	 <19980203.214348.10686.43.timmacy@juno.com>
	 <34D81EB4.C04CDE29@concentric.net>
	 <19980204.210634.4558.0.timmacy@juno.com> <3.0.2.32.19980205083445.006c3538@jarvis.ims.uaf.edu>

I thought maybe we would all swap some plastic and turn into a herd of pintos.

Juan A. Goula wrote:

> Yeah, besides, everyone knows that a Tupperware party is when you take of
> all the plastic on your bike to work on it :-) and at the Great Y2K PC²
> Ride I am going there to ride, not to work on anything (I hope).
>
> Juan



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From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, atg@technologist.com
Subject: RE: PC800: Tune-Ups
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:26:09 -0800 



Sounds like a very poorly run shop to me.

My (old) shop (Lynnwood Cycle Barn) used to come out with a check list
of at least thirty items that they had looked at with each service to
keep my apprised of the condition of my bike.   They looked at
everything from the brakes to the turn signals to you-name-it.  I even
knew how much tread my tires had at each service interval because they
checked it and told me -- with instructions about 4000 miles before
replacement to start putting away money for a new set.   

Since I commute on my bike, they always got it in and out in one day.
I could not ask for a better shop.   My biggest (and only ;-)  regret
about having purchased a BMW is that Lynnwood Cycle Barn doesn't work on
them.   :-(

I think you should find a competent shop before they seriously injure
you or kill you through their incompetence.   It is important to me to
have EVERYTHING checked out on a regular basis, and since they have the
plastic off anyway....

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PS.   How does "A.T. Green" turn into "Drew"?   Ahhh....."Andrew"?
> ----------
> From: 	A.T. Green[SMTP:atg@technologist.com]
> Sent: 	Tuesday, February 03, 1998 9:46 PM
> To: 	pc800
> Subject: 	PC800: Tune-Ups
> 
> Crew,
> 
> Speaking of tune-ups, I just got Skippy the Evil Twin back from it's
> 24K
> service.
> 
> At $202.50 for labor, $99.49 for parts ($327.06 total), I was kind of
> wondering how that compares to others experiences/expenses.
> 
> Service took a week (after wasting 4 days) unbelievable!! :-( to do it
> and
> the service dept. were a surly bunch. I had to ask for the parts that
> I had
> told them to save, and then they didn't volunteer to go over the
> condition
> they were in. Finally, the repair person wrote on the order that the
> old
> oil (1 month old) smelled like a burned clutch. I asked them why they
> didn't call me to authorize a look see. No real answer.
> 
> One last thing, the choke lever is hard to pull up but pushes down
> smoothly. I asked if lubing the choke was part of a 24K (which I know
> it
> is) and they had to check. Sheesh!!!!  I then asked the svc mgr about
> it
> and he said (are you ready for this!!) THEY ALL DO THAT!!!! I'd had
> enough
> by that point to say "are you really going to feed me that old
> line!!!"
> 
> I think I used (past tense cause I am NOT going back) a bad Honda
> shop. Any
> opinions???
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> Drew
> (not in a good mood)
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	 Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:01:44 -0800
	 Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:01:27 -0800

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From: "Paul Hayes" <pauly@email.msn.com>
To: "Wanda Bailie" <wanda_bailie@smtpgw.kentrox.com>, <timmacy@juno.com>,
        <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>, "A.T. Green" <atg@technologist.com>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting 
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:04:15 -0800

Wanda,

Some will think this is blasphemous, but this conversation has given me an
idea <yea, I know ...first for everything> I'd like to explore further.

I have the '89 and love the color... <at this point, hordes of listmembers,
separated by perhaps thousands of miles and isolated in small enclosed
spaces will now curiously shake their heads IN UNISON and simultaneously
reach for their respective reply buttons to chime in that their bike's color
is the only good color ... <g>).

Anyway, I recently saw a TV ad for Northwest Airlines which had a collage of
images from around the world, intermixed with an image of a NW Airliner
flying peacefully into a panoramic setting-sun type of sky.  One of these
Airplane shots showed a NW Jet painted quite skillfully as an Orca Whale.
It was quite an interesting effect as it was pictured rising into an azure
blue sky.

Anyway, have you ever seen or has anyone out there ever mentioned the idea
of painting their White (or Black) PC to resemble an Orca?

To me this is intriguing.  - Pauly


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From: Wanda Bailie <wanda_bailie@smtpgw.kentrox.com>
To: timmacy@juno.com <timmacy@juno.com>; pc800@hpc.uh.edu
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Date: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 8:44 AM
Subject: Re[2]: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting


>     Killer.......just like our whales on the Pacific Coast.
>     Wanda Bailie '95 PC800 "Black Beauty"
>
>
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>Subject: Re: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting
>Author:  "A.T. Green" <atg@technologist.com> at INTERNET-KENTROX
>Date:    2/3/98 9:49 PM
>
>
>Pods of PC's???
>
>> Nan and I call large groups of Gold Wings "Gaggles of Wings"; I'm not
>> sure what a group of PCs would be called....
>
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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 11:41:53 -0900
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
Subject: PC800: Pigmentation.

At 12:04 2/5/98 -0800, Paul Hayes wrote:
>(SNIP)
>Anyway, have you ever seen or has anyone out there ever mentioned the idea
>of painting their White (or Black) PC to resemble an Orca?

I used to think about it, when I bought the bike, but never explored it.

Ok, I can see how the black PC's resemble orcas or pilot whales, and the
white ones resemble belugas (sorry guys), but the marine mammal world has
no current examples of red pigmentation (and no, the pink color of walruses
doesn't count), so I think the idea of "pods" really doesn't apply to the
PC. :-)

It really doesn't matter.  As long as we don't end up like lemmings,
hurling ourselves from a cliff into the Pacific Ocean, I'll be happy :-)

Juan

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From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Names for Blue Bike?  Send Direct to todd.vierheller@nordstrom.co
	m
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:51:13 -0800 



I didn't name my PC, but I keep seeing all the great names for the PCs
and I thought I should break down and give my motorcycle a name.    It
is an R1100RT (R1100RTL) in Sine Blue.   It is sort of a darker metallic
blue, but not electric blue nor bright blue.   I don't want to describe
the color too much for fear of narrowing your inputs.  :-)  

Since I don't care if I get duplicates, just send responses directly to
me (and spare the list readers) and I'll summarize after a few days or a
week.   

If you are angry that I cluttered up the list with this tripe, please
send the flame directly to me and don't further clutter up the list.
My apologies to those who fit in this category in advance.   I can't
resist asking such a clever group of people for ideas.    (And I think
Beemer people may not have such a list!)   

Thanks,


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   __/__/   Phone: 206-233-6218 Fax: 206-233-6352  __/__/
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keep seeing all the great names for the PCs and I thought I should =
break down and give my motorcycle a name.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It is an =
R1100RT (R1100RTL) in Sine Blue.&nbsp;&nbsp; It is sort of a darker =
metallic blue, but not electric blue nor bright blue.&nbsp;&nbsp; I =
don't want to describe the color too much for fear of narrowing your =
inputs.&nbsp; :-)&nbsp; </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Times New Roman">Since I don't care if I get =
duplicates, just send responses directly to me (and spare the list =
readers) and I'll summarize after a few days or a week.&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Times New Roman">If you are angry that I =
cluttered up the list with this tripe, please send the flame directly =
to me and don't further clutter up the list.&nbsp;&nbsp; My apologies =
to those who fit in this category in advance.&nbsp;&nbsp; I can't =
resist asking such a clever group of people for =
ideas.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (And I think Beemer people may not have such a =
list!)&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Times New Roman">Thanks,</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&nbsp; __/__/&nbsp;&nbsp; email: =
todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 17:08:14 -0500
From: Andrew Turner <AndyRTurner@compuserve.com>
Subject: RE:PC800: Trip to UK....
To: "INTERNET:GuntherSki@aol.com" <GuntherSki@aol.com>
Cc: PC800 mail list <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>

There are several firms that rent bikes here in the UK.  If you are comin=
g
over for any length of time (you said your work was bringing you over
here), then I would ship a bike over from the states and sell it when you=

go home.  Bikes are so expensive over here compared to America,  We impor=
t
most of your OLD ones?????

A list of rental companies in the UK is below.
The best ones are Fowlers at Bristol and HGB in London.


HGB Hire,
Ruislip =

Middlesex       =

01895 676451
(the biggest, most popular, and nearest the airport!)   =


Ace Bikes,      =

Uxbridge,                               =

Middlesex                               =

01895 622832                            =


Elephant and Castle Bike Hire, =

London  =

0171 357 6292                           =


Fowlers         =

Motorcycles,    =

Bristol         =

01179 770466    =


Freeway         =

Motorcycles,    =

Leeds           =

01132 534423    =


Happy Bike Hire =

London          =

0171 252 6392                           =



Hire Bike       =

London          =

0171 354 0963                           =


London Motorcycle Rentals,      =

London          =

0181 749 8181   =


North West Hire =

Lancashire      =

01254 698807

Raceways Rentals,       =

London          =

0171 237 6494

Scootabout      =

London          =

0171 582 0055   =



Stav's Bike Hire,               =

London          =

0171 538 2843   =


Surrey/South London Hire,                               =

01883 343940

WMS Motorcycle Hire,            =

London          =

0171 401 2008                           =

                                        =

World's End     =

Motorcycles,                            =

LONDON
0181 746 3595

Bike Hire Checklist

1.      Check there isn't a minimum age limit to hire a =

        specific bike.
2.      Check the general condition of the bike before you
        take it away.
3.      Be prepared to pay a large deposit - up  to =A3500! .
4.      Check whether recovery insurance is included.
5.      Is there a penalty payment if the bike is returned late?
6.      Check whether foreign cover is included if needed
7 .     Check insurance provision, some of the above firms
        will NOT provide insurance, and expect you to make your
        own arrangements.


Have fun =


Andy Turner
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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 14:07:20 -0900
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
Subject: PC800: =?iso-8859-1?Q?The_Great_Y2K_PC=B2_Ride?=

At 10:16 2/5/98 -0800, Eric Matthews wrote:
>I thought maybe we would all swap some plastic and turn into a herd of
pintos.

Ugh... I think I'm feeling queasy...

Juan

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From: "Joe Beresford" <cableguy@one.net>
To: "Vincent Santamaria" <vsantamaria@worldnet.att.net>, <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Hondaline Radio hookup to helmet
Date: 	Thu, 5 Feb 1998 18:46:54 -0500

since I'll be on vacation... iam unsubscribing for a couple weeks...Vince
hope to see you in a few days.... we now have over 16 inches of snow......

joe


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From: Craig Carter <ccarter@wans.net>
To: "'Eric Matthews'" <ericeric@concentric.net>,
        "timmacy@juno.com"
	 <timmacy@juno.com>
Cc: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: What do you call?
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 18:58:25 -0600

Plastic on Parade...

CjC

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From:	Eric Matthews [SMTP:ericeric@concentric.net]
Sent:	Wednesday, February 04, 1998 1:54 AM
To:	timmacy@juno.com
Cc:	pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject:	Re: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting

A Tupperware Party.

E.

timmacy@juno.com wrote:

> Nan and I call large groups of Gold Wings "Gaggles of Wings"; I'm not
> sure what a group of PCs would be called....
>
> Tim



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From: Craig Carter <ccarter@wans.net>
To: "'BernieK469@aol.com'" <BernieK469@aol.com>,
        "Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com"
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Subject: RE: Re: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 19:04:53 -0600

A group of PCs could be called "A Network."

Craig C. '95 PC800

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Sent:	Wednesday, February 04, 1998 9:35 AM
To:	Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com; pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject:	Re:  Re: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting

A group of PC is called a covey of PCs.

Bernie
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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 98 17:15:14 PST
From: "Wanda Bailie" <wanda_bailie@smtpgw.kentrox.com>
To: timmacy@juno.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, atg@technologist.com,
        "Paul Hayes" <pauly@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re[4]: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting 

     Pauly,
     Not that I'm aware of, however what I though of when I said 
     Killer was a pod of killer whales.  I then started to explain all 
     the black and white on the bikes traveling together would 
     resemble the pod, but when I thought about the read must be the 
     blood of their victims, I deleted all but the first sentence.  I 
     thought that might be a little too graphic for the list.  Wanda


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Subject: Re: Re[2]: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting 
Author:  "Paul Hayes" <pauly@email.msn.com> at INTERNET-KENTROX
Date:    2/5/98 12:08 PM


Wanda,
     
Some will think this is blasphemous, but this conversation has given me an 
idea <yea, I know ...first for everything> I'd like to explore further.
     
I have the '89 and love the color... <at this point, hordes of listmembers, 
separated by perhaps thousands of miles and isolated in small enclosed 
spaces will now curiously shake their heads IN UNISON and simultaneously 
reach for their respective reply buttons to chime in that their bike's color 
is the only good color ... <g>).
     
Anyway, I recently saw a TV ad for Northwest Airlines which had a collage of 
images from around the world, intermixed with an image of a NW Airliner 
flying peacefully into a panoramic setting-sun type of sky.  One of these 
Airplane shots showed a NW Jet painted quite skillfully as an Orca Whale.
It was quite an interesting effect as it was pictured rising into an azure 
blue sky.
     
Anyway, have you ever seen or has anyone out there ever mentioned the idea 
of painting their White (or Black) PC to resemble an Orca?
     
To me this is intriguing.  - Pauly
     
     
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To: timmacy@juno.com <timmacy@juno.com>; pc800@hpc.uh.edu 
<pc800@hpc.uh.edu>; A.T. Green <atg@technologist.com> 
Date: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 8:44 AM
Subject: Re[2]: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting
     
     
>     Killer.......just like our whales on the Pacific Coast. 
>     Wanda Bailie '95 PC800 "Black Beauty"
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>
>Pods of PC's???
>
>> Nan and I call large groups of Gold Wings "Gaggles of Wings"; I'm not 
>> sure what a group of PCs would be called....
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Subject: RE: Re: PC800: PC Review
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 19:24:03 -0600

I was told by someone working at the local dealer 2 months ago that they 
were bringing BLACK back in the PC800--wonder what the bottom color
will be?

Craig C
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Sent:	Wednesday, February 04, 1998 7:25 PM
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Subject:	Re: Re: PC800: PC Review

Talked to a friend at work today who said the '98 ST1100s are coming out in
black.  Hmm, I wonder if that means the '98 PCs will too?

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Date: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 7:38 PM
Subject: FW: Re: PC800: PC Review


>Sure, just think about all the things that are best when black...
[deletia]

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	 Thu, 5 Feb 1998 16:14:45 -0800
	 Thu, 5 Feb 1998 16:14:33 -0800

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Subject: Re: Re: PC800: PC Review
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 19:15:45 -0500

Why,.........Ted's absolutely right!




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From: timmacy@juno.com
 by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id CON28476; Fri, 06 Feb 1998 02:04:46 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 22:59:58 -0800
Subject: Re: PC800: How much Do You Ride Your Bike?


On Thu, 5 Feb 1998 06:50:31 -0500 "Mike Whited" <MikeTW@worldnet.att.net>
writes:
>Mt motto is "No ice, no problem" Unfortunately I live in central
Ohio....I won't be >riding today! I only put 2,700 miles on my "cage" but
14,000 + on my PC last year. 

Sounds like my "If you don't ride in the rain in Oregon...you don't
ride!" In '96 I didn't drive a mile; put 20K on the Stealth. In '97 I did
28K in the saddle, but now that I'm in Marketing I was "forced" to drive
about 5K in the company car. Haven't quite convinced the pres of the
company that I'm just as effective calling on new clients from the back
of a bike...but once I know 'em I've ridden to meetings. Hard to answer a
cell phone, though.....

Tim Macy
Portland, OR
'94 PC 800 - 64,953 Miles

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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@worldnet.att.net>
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Subject: RE: PC800: Cruise control question
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 00:01:31 -0800

I have a ThrottleMeister on my VFR and a Vista Cruise on my PC800 and ST. 
 They both do the job but IMHO I find the Vista much more convenient and 
easy to use.

To set the Vista it's a quick easy motion with your thumb to press the 
lever down.  To undo it, use your thumb to flip the lever up. It's so easy 
and automatic for me now that I can set it fast enough with my hand when 
I'm about to sneeze and need to lift my visor (cant' recall what my left 
hand was doing, just know I needed to use my right hand).  Mounting the 
VISTA on a PC800 takes a little engineering on your part.  Some people cut 
a small slit in the bar covers below the grip or cut the tab off the VISTA 
and screw it into the bar cover plastic (you'll understand when you get 
one).  This can be done in such a way as make it barely noticable and IMHO 
it won't detract from the good looks of a PC.

The Throttlemeister is really trick and cool.  I got it for my VFR after I 
discovered that the lever on the VISTA stuck out too far and would hit the 
gas tank (clearance is only about 3/8 of an inch).  To set the Meister, you 
rotate it with your hand clockwise (like rolling on the throttle) which 
activates a cam inside.  This action causes it to increase slightly in 
length and press up against the throttle tube.  Friction holds it in place. 
 To undo the Meister you roll counterclockwise.  The action is very smooth 
and easy --- very cool engineering when into this product.  I found it 
takes a little practice to lean how to roll the Meister without rolling the 
throttle at the same time but it's easily mastered in short order. It's a 
simple action but it's not instant on/off that I like about the VISTA.

Hope this helps with your decision.

-bryceu

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          Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:28:21 +0000

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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@worldnet.att.net>
To: "'timmacy@juno.com'" <timmacy@juno.com>,
        "pc800@hpc.uh.edu"
	 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: PC800: Warming Up the Stealth...
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 00:11:01 -0800

Yes a beautiful day it was.

I went skiing up at Crystal Mtn, WA for the day. Blue skies, low 30 degree 
temps, and unbelievable empty slopes.  Even say two old friends from years 
back!

With that said, I am looking forward to riding in some nice weather again.

-bryceu

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Bryce Ulrich, 13105 NE 135th St., Kirkland, WA  98034
Email: bryceu@worldnet.att.net  Web: http://home.att.net/~bryceu/
AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140/STOC 478
'89 Honda PC800 "Pearl",
'95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T"
'96 Honda ST1100 ALT "TruST"
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From:	timmacy@juno.com [SMTP:timmacy@juno.com]
Sent:	Tuesday, February 03, 1998 9:23 PM
To:	pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject:	PC800: Warming Up the Stealth...

Last Saturday provided a welcome respite from the on-again off-again rain
that characterizes a normal Northwestern Winter; it was mid-50s and
sunny. I needed to warm the Stealth up so I could change the oil--so I
got together with two friends and took a 150-mile jaunt into the Coastal
Range. Tony was from Gresham, which is on the Cascades side of Portland,
and although Ernie was from my side of town he hadn't ridden in years. So
even though we took a route that I had ridden many times before, it was
new to them and I enjoyed their pleasure at riding a new route
vicariously.

Ernie was riding a new Harley; he hadn't ridden in years, so I promised
to take it easy. His previous bike had been an '89 PC--he had been one of
the first PC owners in Portland. Unfortunately, about 700 miles after he
got it, his wife took off with another guy and during the divorce
proceedings she tried to commander the bike from him. Vowing that he
would rather torch it and turn it into a pile of smoldering plastic
first, he sold the bike rather than see her boyfriend get it. So he
hadn't ridden in about 8 years.

We drove Skyline Road first and I was pleased to discover that the gravel
laid down to combat the snow/ice from a storm about 3 weeks ago had been
pretty much pushed to the sides of the road. So we ventured further into
the Coastal Range and ended up in Vernonia. During a break at a lake just
north of town, a conversation with "Bill", one of Vernonia's colorful
characters,  had us heading towards a local restaurant for lunch. When
was the last time that you had two hamburgers for a buck? And the
conversations with the locals was worth the stop.

On the way back to Portland Ernie peeled off to head south on Hwy 47 and
home, so Tony and I wicked it up a bit on some fun twisties that I know
of. Tony has an Interceptor which he picked up dirt cheap after the
previous owner had high-sided it when it had only 1000 miles on it. He
tore it down to the frame and totally built it back up, buying and
re-painting all of the plastic himself. The bike is an absolutely
gorgeous machine, and he only put $2600 into it!

All in all, it was a great way to spend the final Saturday in January.
And, yes, I changed the oil. And no, Juan, I didn't clean the
plugs...even though it had been over 2K since I had put new ones in
(okay, okay, so I'm a bit on the anal side....)!

Tim Macy
Portland, OR
'94 PC 800 - 64,953 Miles

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          Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:28:30 +0000

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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@worldnet.att.net>
To: "'A.T. Green'" <atg@technologist.com>,
        "PC800 (E-mail)"
	 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: PC800: Tune-Ups
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 00:25:31 -0800


<<I think I used (past tense cause I am NOT going back) a bad Honda shop. 
Any
opinions???

Thanks

Drew
(not in a good mood)>>


Well if I'd give them the benefit of the doubt I'd suspect they didn't have 
all the parts (like an air filter) so it took a few days to get them.  I've 
gotten into the habit of calling the dealer first to ask about parts 
because I hate waiting once I drop the bike off.  I like to get in/out in 
the same day if not just a few hours.

However, if they did have the parts 4 days is WAY too long.  I can tune a 
PC800 single handedly in under 2 hours.  This includes all fluids (brake, 
clutch, oil, shaft oil), car sync, filter inspection (I always wipe the 
dust out of the airbox), check brake pads, and tightening all the fasteners 
I can find.  If I had a workstand I'd probably shave another 30 minutes off 
that.

Your dealer has lousy customer service.  Find another.

-bryceu

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          Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:30:12 +0000

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From: "Mike Whited" <MikeTW@worldnet.att.net>
To: "Paul Hayes" <pauly@email.msn.com>,
        "Wanda Bailie" <wanda_bailie@smtpgw.kentrox.com>, <timmacy@juno.com>,
        <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>, "A.T. Green" <atg@technologist.com>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting 
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 06:23:50 -0500

I like the Orca idea. Unfortunately, here in Columbus, most people would
think It was painted like a cow!!

Mike

Cowtown OH
' 94 PC

----------
> From: Paul Hayes <pauly@email.msn.com>
> To: Wanda Bailie <wanda_bailie@smtpgw.kentrox.com>; timmacy@juno.com;
pc800@hpc.uh.edu; A.T. Green <atg@technologist.com>
> Subject: Re: Re[2]: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting 
> Date: Thursday, February 05, 1998 3:04 PM
> 
> Wanda,
> 
> Some will think this is blasphemous, but this conversation has given me
an
> idea <yea, I know ...first for everything> I'd like to explore further.
> 
> I have the '89 and love the color... <at this point, hordes of
listmembers,
> separated by perhaps thousands of miles and isolated in small enclosed
> spaces will now curiously shake their heads IN UNISON and simultaneously
> reach for their respective reply buttons to chime in that their bike's
color
> is the only good color ... <g>).
> 
> Anyway, I recently saw a TV ad for Northwest Airlines which had a collage
of
> images from around the world, intermixed with an image of a NW Airliner
> flying peacefully into a panoramic setting-sun type of sky.  One of these
> Airplane shots showed a NW Jet painted quite skillfully as an Orca Whale.
> It was quite an interesting effect as it was pictured rising into an
azure
> blue sky.
> 
> Anyway, have you ever seen or has anyone out there ever mentioned the
idea
> of painting their White (or Black) PC to resemble an Orca?
> 
> To me this is intriguing.  - Pauly
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wanda Bailie <wanda_bailie@smtpgw.kentrox.com>
> To: timmacy@juno.com <timmacy@juno.com>; pc800@hpc.uh.edu
> <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>; A.T. Green <atg@technologist.com>
> Date: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 8:44 AM
> Subject: Re[2]: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting
> 
> 
> >     Killer.......just like our whales on the Pacific Coast.
> >     Wanda Bailie '95 PC800 "Black Beauty"
> >
> >
> >______________________________ Reply Separator
> _________________________________
> >Subject: Re: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting
> >Author:  "A.T. Green" <atg@technologist.com> at INTERNET-KENTROX
> >Date:    2/3/98 9:49 PM
> >
> >
> >Pods of PC's???
> >
> >> Nan and I call large groups of Gold Wings "Gaggles of Wings"; I'm not
> >> sure what a group of PCs would be called....
> >
> >
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	  id QAA08000 for <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 16:00:03 -0600 (CST)

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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 13:54:09 -0800
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Greg Chambers <greg501@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: PC800: Tune-Ups

I have liked those guys at Mid-Cities since I talked to them about buying a
PC and they gave me lots of info without a hard sell, then offered a test
ride on a brand new one with no miles (as soon as I finished the MSF course
and got my license).  - Greg Chambers

>From: Alan Taylor <ka2wij@earthlink.net>
>To: "geist, james" <jgeistlubtx@door.net>
>CC: "A.T. Green" <atg@technologist.com>, pc800 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
>Subject: Re: PC800: Tune-Ups

>I just had the 24k done on Midnight, and the price was about the same.
>
>I had brought it in on a Saturday morning with a loss of power/backfiring
problem
>that turned out to be a loose plug with a broken electrode. the shop called
>monday morning with the diagnosis, and the service manager recommended the
>service since i was at 23.6k. I gave the go ahead and it was ready that
evening.
>
>When I picked it up, the service manager went over the work that was done, and
>gave me a diagnostic print out.
>
>The only problem was that the tech had dropped the dipstick, breaking it, The
>shop ordered a new one and replaced the next day without charge.
>
>This was Mid-cities honda in Paramount CA.
>
>Alan Taylor
>95 PC800 "Midnight"
>Long Beach, CA
>
>
>>
>
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        by tricon.net (8.6.10/971030) via SMTP id RAA29370
        for <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 17:33:39 -0500
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From: Jim Randall <jrandall@tricon.net>
To: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: FW: Re[2]: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting 
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 17:18:05 -0500

or we could paint 'em like Gateway boxes and remove all doubt!

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From:	Mike Whited [SMTP:MikeTW@worldnet.att.net]
Sent:	Friday, February 06, 1998 6:24 AM
To:	Paul Hayes; Wanda Bailie; timmacy@juno.com; pc800@hpc.uh.edu; A.T. Green
Subject:	Re: Re[2]: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting 

I like the Orca idea. Unfortunately, here in Columbus, most people would
think It was painted like a cow!!

Mike

Cowtown OH
' 94 PC

----------
> From: Paul Hayes <pauly@email.msn.com>
> To: Wanda Bailie <wanda_bailie@smtpgw.kentrox.com>; timmacy@juno.com;
pc800@hpc.uh.edu; A.T. Green <atg@technologist.com>
> Subject: Re: Re[2]: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting 
> Date: Thursday, February 05, 1998 3:04 PM
> 
> Wanda,
> 
> Some will think this is blasphemous, but this conversation has given me
an
> idea <yea, I know ...first for everything> I'd like to explore further.
> 
> I have the '89 and love the color... <at this point, hordes of
listmembers,
> separated by perhaps thousands of miles and isolated in small enclosed
> spaces will now curiously shake their heads IN UNISON and simultaneously
> reach for their respective reply buttons to chime in that their bike's
color
> is the only good color ... <g>).
> 
> Anyway, I recently saw a TV ad for Northwest Airlines which had a collage
of
> images from around the world, intermixed with an image of a NW Airliner
> flying peacefully into a panoramic setting-sun type of sky.  One of these
> Airplane shots showed a NW Jet painted quite skillfully as an Orca Whale.
> It was quite an interesting effect as it was pictured rising into an
azure
> blue sky.
> 
> Anyway, have you ever seen or has anyone out there ever mentioned the
idea
> of painting their White (or Black) PC to resemble an Orca?
> 
> To me this is intriguing.  - Pauly
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wanda Bailie <wanda_bailie@smtpgw.kentrox.com>
> To: timmacy@juno.com <timmacy@juno.com>; pc800@hpc.uh.edu
> <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>; A.T. Green <atg@technologist.com>
> Date: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 8:44 AM
> Subject: Re[2]: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting
> 
> 
> >     Killer.......just like our whales on the Pacific Coast.
> >     Wanda Bailie '95 PC800 "Black Beauty"
> >
> >
> >______________________________ Reply Separator
> _________________________________
> >Subject: Re: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting
> >Author:  "A.T. Green" <atg@technologist.com> at INTERNET-KENTROX
> >Date:    2/3/98 9:49 PM
> >
> >
> >Pods of PC's???
> >
> >> Nan and I call large groups of Gold Wings "Gaggles of Wings"; I'm not
> >> sure what a group of PCs would be called....
> >
> >
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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 16:53:28 -0600
From: Mike Ver Velde <m.vervelde@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting
To: pilewis1@concentric.net, timmacy@juno.com
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu


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From: Phil Lewis <pilewis1@concentric.net>
To: timmacy@juno.com <timmacy@juno.com>
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting


>
>
>timmacy@juno.com wrote:
>
>> >timmacy@juno.com wrote:  I'm not sure what a group of PCs would be
>> called....
>>
>> On Tue, 03 Feb 1998 23:54:28 -0800 Eric Matthews
>> <ericeric@concentric.net> writes: A Tupperware Party.
>>
>> Perfect, Eric! I've got it...The Great Pacific Coast Pacific Coast
>> Tupperware Party!
>>
>> Tim
>
>I'd vote for that, but........................................ Are we going
>to get into some legal problem with the Tupperware Company!! ??
>
>Phil
>
Ummm. Lets ask the resident expert- Greg! ha.

Mike V

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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 17:04:57 -0600
From: Mike Ver Velde <m.vervelde@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Re: PC800: PC Review
To: Craig Carter <ccarter@wans.net>, "'Lonnie Harbour'" <laughy@southeast.net>,
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From: Craig Carter <ccarter@wans.net>
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Date: Thursday, February 05, 1998 7:25 PM
Subject: RE: Re: PC800: PC Review


>I was told by someone working at the local dealer 2 months ago that they
>were bringing BLACK back in the PC800--wonder what the bottom color
>will be?
>
>Craig C
>'95 BLACK PC800
>
Pepto Bismol Pink.

Mike V

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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 17:19:34 -0600
From: Mike Ver Velde <m.vervelde@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting
To: Mike Whited <MikeTW@worldnet.att.net>, Paul Hayes <pauly@email.msn.com>,
        Wanda Bailie <wanda_bailie@smtpgw.kentrox.com>, timmacy@juno.com,
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<wanda_bailie@smtpgw.kentrox.com>; timmacy@juno.com <timmacy@juno.com>;
pc800@hpc.uh.edu <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>; A.T. Green <atg@technologist.com>
Date: Friday, February 06, 1998 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: Re[2]: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting


>I like the Orca idea. Unfortunately, here in Columbus, most people would
>think It was painted like a cow!!
>
>Mike
>
>Cowtown OH
>' 94 PC
>
Well, try adding a rubber whale tail to the rear.  should remove any doubt.

Mike V

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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 16:26:52 -0900
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
Subject: PC800: PC Colors

At 17:04 2/6/98 -0600, you wrote:
>>I was told by someone working at the local dealer 2 months ago that they
>>were bringing BLACK back in the PC800--wonder what the bottom color
>>will be?

>Pepto Bismol Pink.

Mike, you are a sick man.  You need some of that Pepto yourself :-)

Juan

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From: "Paul Johannsen" <pauljo@earthlink.net>
To: "PC800 Mailing List" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: PC800 Suspension Upgrades
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 21:09:55 -0500

In response to my earlier question on this, several people reported being
happy with the Works Performance shocks. But someone stated that they
are "not adjustable once installed". Hello! So what happens when you add a
passenger? And what kind of adjustment(s) are done at install time? I'm
real curious, 'cause this seems like a serious limitation, yet everyone
seems
happy with the product...

Someone also mentioned intent to install Koni shocks. Anyone using these?
I know Koni used to be a big name in shocks, but I haven't kept up...

Everyone stated that they use Progressive Suspension fork springs when they
upgrade. I know they are good - I LOVE what they did for my Shadow. But I
thought that Works Performance also made aftermarket dual-rate fork springs,
and I'd think that they might be a good alternative to mate with the WP
shocks.
Does anybody use them?

Someone suggested that the archives contain much discussion on suspension
upgrades. I'll try to figure this out this weekend - I assume that I need to
use that
majordomo thingy that I used to sign up. But any clues here would be helpful
:)

Paul

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From: "Paul Johannsen" <pauljo@earthlink.net>
To: "COG Mailing List" <COG@micapeak.com>,
        "PC800 Mailing List" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Coming down to the wire; Concours vs Pacific Coast
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 20:45:07 -0500

I've had some great responses to my Pacific Coast vs Concours dilema over
the past week from folks in both mailing lists. I also haven't been sleeping
too well :)   - wow, am I obsessed with the desire to buy one of these
motorcycles!

My local dealership (Honda/Yamaha/Triumph) has two clean used machines
side by side on the showroom floor right now. IMO, they are both a bit
overpriced,
which is typical of this dealer - but they are low mileage and very clean.
He also
will give me a decent trade-in for my VT1100 Shadow if I want to do that.

1997 Pacific Coast, 2900 miles, $6995. Balance of warranty (@2 years).
Bone stock - no modifications that I could see. I can see some very slight
scratches on the side of the upper cover (pseudo tank), probably from pants
rubbing against it - but this is not very noticable.

1995 Concours, 6500 miles, $5995. Dark Red (Maroon) color. Has a Rifle
windshield, risers on the handlebars, adjustable air wing things mounted on
the
sides of the fairing. Looks perfect - I could find no cosmetic damage at
all.
The tires look fair - I think I'd replace them soon. No service history
(have the
valves ever been adjusted? etc.? - don't know).

I pulled the head mechanic aside and asked for his opinion. He favored the
Concours. Although they are not a Kawasaki dealership, he felt that it was a
very standard bike & that they could perform most service on it. I then
approached
the sales manager. He also thought I'd be happier with the Concours. This is
kinda bizzare for a non-Kawasaki dealership, I thought. But their issues
centered
mostly on the difference in power - and they both favored the more
conventional
removeable luggage of the Concours. They both consider the PC800 to be
"underpowered".

I paid about $6000 for my '94 Shadow there 2 years ago - and have added
about
$1000 in accessories. I was quoted an approximate trade value of $5000.
I had also felt that its price was a bit steep at the time, but it has been
absolutely
trouble-free, so I don't really have any regrets on that purchase.

I was offered a test ride on the Concours prior to consumating any deal -
they
want to charge the battery first. I'm sure they'd let me ride the PC800 as
well if
I want too.

Any thoughts on this? It's pretty tough to negotiate price with these guys,
so I don't
think I'd do much better than this initial offer (maybe some accessories "at
cost").
But they do have a decent shop as far as service after the sale is
concerned - and
they sponsor rides, picnics, etc. each year. They are a likeable bunch -
that counts
for something.

The other dealership that is well thought of around here is at least an hour
ride away
(next state over). He has a new PC800 and a new Concours (dark green). This
is
a Honda/Yamaha/Kawasaki/BMW/Ducati dealership - sizable. At $7999, the
new Concours with 3 year warranty deserves consideration. At $8695, the new
PC800 is overpriced - I'd go for the used bike I'm sure. I've never bought
from
this dealership, but some of my friends have - and I've heard no complaints.

I'm really leaning toward grabbing one of the used bikes. I am still unsure
which
one would suit me better. Oh yeah... checked with my insurance agency today.
The Concours would cost me about $120 more per year than the PC800. A new
PC800 would cost me just $1 per year more than my Shadow!

I guess I'm most interested in hearing whether you think these used bikes
are
a viable choice. The relative merits of Connie vs PC800 have been pretty
well
covered - and it will remain my own personal agony to sort that out for
myself ;)

Paul

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From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 21:15:00 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Trip to UK....

Hi, TZ

In a message dated 98-02-05 10:40:39 EST, you write:

<< I'd like to go check out the track on the Isle of Mann.....   >>

There really isn't a track; the race is run on everyday streets and roads that
form a loop around the island.  If you go, be sure to find Fairy Bridge and
say "hello" to the Fairies.  It is said to bring you luck when racing, and it
seemed to work for us--no wrecks at all for us while were there. :)

Have a good trip. 

JT
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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 22:53:41 -0500
From: Jason <Crazyapple@ibm.net>
To: Paul Johannsen <pauljo@earthlink.net>
CC: PC800 Mailing List <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 Suspension Upgrades

I have Koni's on the rear of my 1994 PC.  I like them, but have limited
experience with PC's not Koni-equipped.  I have ridden as a passenger on a
number of bikes and find being a passanger on a PC far more comfortable (I rode
as a passenger for the first month while I was learning the ropes).

The Koni's have a 5 (I believe) position adjustment that is very easy to do.

Paul Johannsen wrote:

> Someone also mentioned intent to install Koni shocks. Anyone using these?
> I know Koni used to be a big name in shocks, but I haven't kept up...
>
> Everyone stated that they use Progressive Suspension fork springs when they
> upgrade. I know they are good - I LOVE what they did for my Shadow. But I
> thought that Works Performance also made aftermarket dual-rate fork springs,
> and I'd think that they might be a good alternative to mate with the WP
> shocks.
> Does anybody use them?



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From: timmacy@juno.com
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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 18:02:58 -0800
Subject: Re: PC800: PC Review


On Thu, 5 Feb 1998 19:24:03 -0600 Craig Carter <ccarter@wans.net> writes:
>I was told by someone working at the local dealer 2 months ago that they
were >bringing BLACK back in the PC800--wonder what the bottom color will
be?

Well, they've had black with the "grey" bottom and red with the black
bottom...somehow I can't feature black with a red bottom, though. (Ugh!)
I think they'll continue to follow the color scheme with whatever they're
doing with the ST. I definitely would like to see an all-black PC...

Tim Macy
Portland, OR
'94 PC 800 - 64,953 Miles

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From: "A.T. Green" <atg@technologist.com>
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Subject: PC800: Colors
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 21:54:20 -0800

Question for all '94/'95 owners....

My PC is my first bike. After having had it a while now and 5K miles, I
think that I'd rather have a more visible bike than black. What do you all
think of this?

Does it ever creep you out that you are less visible on black?

Just a thought...

BTW, I love the Triumph Blue and Green on the Trophy. I think those would
be great colors for the PC.


Went down to Seattle tonight. Nice temps, no rain and just drove around the
city. Downtown they still have lights in the trees. Sat a while enjoying
the night and the people were fantastic. A lot of "nice bike!". And to be
honest, nothing reflects the city at night like a black gloss paint job!!!


Peace.


Drew
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From: timmacy@juno.com
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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 21:29:22 -0800
Subject: PC800: GPCPCTP2000
	58-59,67-68,75-78,80-82,84-90,95-100

On Thu, 5 Feb 1998 19:04:53 -0600 Craig Carter <ccarter@wans.net> writes:
>A group of PCs could be called "A Network."

OK, that makes sense. Now...does that mean that we have to be wired
together? Is this peer-to-peer, or do we designate a host-server
relationship? And who gets to administer this nonsense?   (I can see JT
jumping in and administering THIS nonsense!)  :-}}

However, on a serious note I do want to start putting some administration
around the GPCPCTP2000. Obviously one of the more important components of
this process will be a good handle on the logistics of such an event. And
to deal with the logistics, I need to have a fairly decent estimate of
what kind of participation we would have before I can even consider what
type of facility to look for. 

First, a tentative parameter or two for discussion's sake:

#1 - The event is slated for August of 2000. 
#2 -  It will be 3-5 days in length, depending upon the number and
variety of
         activities.
#3 -  There will be facilities for camping at or near the primary
lodging.
#4 -  Although the Pacific Coast is the theme bike around which the event
is built,
         we shall not be exclusive. Those PCers with
spouses/SOs/children/friends               that ride other bikes shall
certainly be welcome.

Given this information, I would like to start building a database of
those on this list who are even remotely considering attending. Please
provide the following:

 - Name(s) of participant(s)
 - Full address, including Zip
 - Telephone number(s) where one can be reached
 - E-mail address

Did I leave anything out? Please let me know. Please private-post this to
me at either of my two e-mail addresses:

timmacy@juno.com  or  timmacy@teleport.com

Also, one or two people have been kind enough to provide me with the
names of m/c clubs that are primarily PC800-related and e-mail addresses
of members of those clubs. If you are aware of such clubs, or if you know
Pacific Coast owners that are computer-challenged and therefore don't
know of this list, please also let me know about them. The intent is to
ultimately make as many Pacific Coast owners as possible aware of this
event when we get the package put together, and we need to be able to
contact them both traditionally and electronically.

As an HSTA member, I would assume that we will be able to work with the
National and State HSTA organizations both in setting up the event and
advertising it. I'm sure that I can get some cooperation from Honda, both
on the national and local levels, and I would love to talk to those at
the HSTA who worked with Honda in getting them involved in the STAR. I am
also an HRCA member, and hopefully this magazine shall provide us with
further access to potential participants.

If, as John Louk suggested, we want to also tie this in to a charitable
organization, we have to decide what organization to work with. My
personal opinion is that this is a marvelous idea.  I know that some of
you have worked on behalf of other m/c rides that benefit a charitable
organization, and there might be some benefit to working within an
existing structure and relationship. Or there may be another cause that
us in need of some exposure and would benefit from our efforts. I am very
open to any and all suggestions in this area.

I don't want to go any further at this point. As you read this, and begin
to realize the implications of what we are attempting, I am sure that you
also can envision the amount of work that will be necessary to make the
GPCPCTP2000 a reality...and the details that will have to be dealt with.
In a former life I worked on such events, and I once was the Chair of a
committee that organized a multi-state Regional AAU Track and Field Meet.
So I am not unfamiliar with such things. 

However, I learned a few things from that experience:

1 - No detail is so small as to be overlooked, for overlooked details had
a nasty 
      way of coming back to haunt me at very inopportune times,

2 - Be open to any and all suggestions that others have, for I do not
wear the crown
      of omnipotence well,

3 - Recognize that which I do well and exploit it, and

4 - Recognize that which I do not do well and recruit others to do it! 

Please bear these points in mind as we go. Please input suggestions at
any time; I will be responsible for a framework around the process. At
the appropriate times certain committees shall be formed to work with
specific aspects of the event, and I will take great pains to keep
everybody fully informed as we progress.

'nuff said for now. Let's network!

Tim


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From: TedJ101@aol.com
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 05:57:03 EST
To: pauljo@earthlink.net, COG@micapeak.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Coming down to the wire; Concours vs Pacific Coast

In a message dated 98-02-06 21:12:22 EST, pauljo@earthlink.net writes:

<< I then  approached  the sales manager. He also thought I'd be happier with
the Concours. This is  kinda bizzare for a non-Kawasaki dealership, I thought.
But their issues  centered  mostly on the difference in power - and they both
favored the more
 conventional  removeable luggage of the Concours. They both consider the
PC800 to be  "underpowered". >>


The trouble that you have with getting advice from these people is that you
have no idea if they have any personal experience with either bike...  I would
guess not...  It sounds to me that you are getting "spec sheet" advice.  Yes,
the Concourse develops more horsepower than the PC -- So does the Bimota V-
Due... You would't like either bike with the V-Due engine in it because it
wouldn't work effectively in either bike (heck, it doesn't work effectively in
the V-Due).  Someone who thinks the PC is underpowered probably doesn't have
much if any experience with it or is someone who is expecting a hard edged
sport bike (pretty unreasonable expectation given the outward appearance of
the PC).  FWIW, I don't consider the PC underpowered and I regularly ride
pretty fast machines (currently, my "other" bikes are a Honda CBR900RR and a
race prepped Ninja 500).  No, it won't accelerate with the CBR (or the Ninja
for that matter), but it is more than adequate for speeds up to about 85
MPH... After that it is a bit slow for aggressive passing manouvers on two
lane roads, for example.  Now, I ask you, how often do you intend to cruise at
speeds in that range or higher.  If you honestly answer "often", then maybe it
is not the bike for you.  OTOH, if you can answer that question "rarely" don't
give the power thing a second thought.  Having said all that, you may still be
worried about the PC's ability to keep up with your sportbike buddies
(assuming that you have any).  Don't be.  I regularly ride with high end
sportbike riders (Ducati 916, several ZX9Rs, CBR900's etc.)  I sometimes ride
my PC with them even on aggressive rides (yes, the sort of riding that I
mentioned taxes the practical limits of the PC's power).  The PC usually
suprises the heck out of them (though, as stated earlier, aggressive passing
is a bit of a problem under those conditions).  I wouldn't get all hung up
about the PC's power.  It doesn't lack power, it lacks a power rush which is
more of a perception of power than it is really power.  The same can be said
of most twin cylinder sport bikes, BTW.  Even something like a Ducati 900SS
doesn't seem to have that much power if you are used to the high end hit of a
4 cylinder sport bike.  It's not deficient, it's just different.  One final
bit of perspective, I LOVE the high end hit of a 4 cylinder sport bike, so you
are not hearing from someone who doesn't appreciate what they have to offer...

I hope this helps in some way, though I suspect it will just confuse you more.
The good thing is that I don't think you'd be unhappy with either bike.
Owning a PC (actually, my wife's bike, chosen by her), I'd choose the PC
between these two now.  Before buying the PC, I'd have chosen the Concourse
for myself (remember I LOVE the high end hit of a 4 cylinder sport bike).  The
difference is that I now have experience with the PC...

Good luck!
          <<TED>> 
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From: "Mike Whited" <MikeTW@worldnet.att.net>
To: "Mike Ver Velde" <m.vervelde@MCI2000.com>,
        "Paul Hayes" <pauly@email.msn.com>,
        "Wanda Bailie" <wanda_bailie@smtpgw.kentrox.com>, <timmacy@juno.com>,
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Subject: Re: Re[2]: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 07:51:13 -0500

Cool, A whale tail...I wonder if Porshe would sue?

----------
> From: Mike Ver Velde <m.vervelde@MCI2000.com>
> To: Mike Whited <MikeTW@worldnet.att.net>; Paul Hayes
<pauly@email.msn.com>; Wanda Bailie <wanda_bailie@smtpgw.kentrox.com>;
timmacy@juno.com; pc800@hpc.uh.edu; A.T. Green <atg@technologist.com>
> Subject: Re: Re[2]: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting
> Date: Friday, February 06, 1998 6:19 PM
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Whited <MikeTW@worldnet.att.net>
> To: Paul Hayes <pauly@email.msn.com>; Wanda Bailie
> <wanda_bailie@smtpgw.kentrox.com>; timmacy@juno.com <timmacy@juno.com>;
> pc800@hpc.uh.edu <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>; A.T. Green <atg@technologist.com>
> Date: Friday, February 06, 1998 5:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Re[2]: PC800: Y2K PacNorWest meeting
> 
> 
> >I like the Orca idea. Unfortunately, here in Columbus, most people would
> >think It was painted like a cow!!
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >Cowtown OH
> >' 94 PC
> >
> Well, try adding a rubber whale tail to the rear.  should remove any
doubt.
> 
> Mike V
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From: "Mike Whited" <MikeTW@worldnet.att.net>
To: "Paul Johannsen" <pauljo@earthlink.net>,
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Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 Suspension Upgrades
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 08:06:57 -0500

I contacted Koni about 6 months ago, and they didn't have a shock
specifically designed for the PC.
Maybe that has changed.
There was an article in one of the mags about Performance shocks and the
author purchased a set for a ST1100. He had the option of a pre-loaded or
adjustable shock. He was very pleased with the whole experance.

I talked to Performance and they want to know what your main riding purpose
'Round town, Touring, Sport-touring etc and weight...I said "around 200 lb"
and they said "whats that 195, 200, 205??

I decided to set the PC for sport touring and grab my typical riding gear
(I camp) and jump on the scale....I was a LOT more then 200 then!

To make it short...call them...818-701-1010 they are very knowledgable and
friendly.( they even knew what a PC was without looking in a book).

Goodluck
Mike

----------
> In response to my earlier question on this, several people reported being
> happy with the Works Performance shocks. But someone stated that they
> are "not adjustable once installed". Hello! So what happens when you add
a
> passenger? And what kind of adjustment(s) are done at install time? I'm
> real curious, 'cause this seems like a serious limitation, yet everyone
> seems
> happy with the product...
> 
> Someone also mentioned intent to install Koni shocks. Anyone using these?
> I know Koni used to be a big name in shocks, but I haven't kept up...
> 
> Everyone stated that they use Progressive Suspension fork springs when
they

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From: "Mike Whited" <MikeTW@worldnet.att.net>
To: "A.T. Green" <atg@technologist.com>, "pc800" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Colors
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 08:44:30 -0500

I've owned 6 bikes over the last 34 years and all but one was black. (They
used to have chrome on them too)
What used to creep me out were the wimpy tail lights Honda had in the '
60's.

Mike----------
> From: A.T. Green <atg@technologist.com>
> To: pc800 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
> Subject: PC800: Colors
> Date: Saturday, February 07, 1998 12:54 AM
> 
> Question for all '94/'95 owners....
> 
> My PC is my first bike. After having had it a while now and 5K miles, I
> think that I'd rather have a more visible bike than black. What do you
all
> think of this?
> 
> Does it ever creep you out that you are less visible on black?
> 
> Just a thought...
> 
> BTW, I love the Triumph Blue and Green on the Trophy. I think those would
> be great colors for the PC.
> 
> 
> Went down to Seattle tonight. Nice temps, no rain and just drove around
the
> city. Downtown they still have lights in the trees. Sat a while enjoying
> the night and the people were fantastic. A lot of "nice bike!". And to be
> honest, nothing reflects the city at night like a black gloss paint
job!!!
> 
> 
> Peace.
> 
> 
> Drew
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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 10:28:25 -0500
From: Jason <Crazyapple@ibm.net>
To: "A.T. Green" <atg@technologist.com>
CC: pc800 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Colors

I have a 94 PC and typically wear black jeans and a Kilimanjaro jacket which is
mostly black.  My helmet (RF-700) is about the same color as the bottom half of
the PC.  It was obvious that the few times someone did not see me they would
not have wether I was black or flourescent green with blue stripes.  I do have
a modulated brake light and am very glad for it, especially coming off exit
ramps.

Although it is fairly close, I do prefer the black to any of the other PC
colors.  There are times that I wish I could change it to pearl or red on the
fly.

-Jason

A.T. Green wrote:

> Question for all '94/'95 owners....
>
> My PC is my first bike. After having had it a while now and 5K miles, I
> think that I'd rather have a more visible bike than black. What do you all
> think of this?
>
> Does it ever creep you out that you are less visible on black?
>



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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 18:26:44 +0100
To: "Paul Johannsen" <pauljo@earthlink.net>,
        "PC800 Mailing List" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
From: HPCE Gerard <pce@dsv.nl>
Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 Suspension Upgrades

At 21:09 06-02-98 -0500, Paul Johannsen wrote:
>Someone also mentioned intent to install Koni shocks. Anyone using these?
>I know Koni used to be a big name in shocks, but I haven't kept up...

Yes, use Koni for the rear suspension and WP for the front suspension, and
I love it.
Handling is much better, and you can adjust the rear suspension better than
the stock suspension.

Gerard
Gerard Diepeveen, Secretary for
Honda Pacific Coast Europe
email: pce@dsv.nl
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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 16:43:17 -0500
To: ccarter@wans.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Francois Saint Laurent <fsl@borgconsulting.com>
Subject: PC800: PC800 colors for '98


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From: Craig Carter <ccarter@wans.net>
To: 'Lonnie Harbour' <laughy@southeast.net>; 'PC800 List' <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: Thursday, February 05, 1998 7:25 PM
Subject: RE: Re: PC800: PC Review


>I was told by someone working at the local dealer 2 months ago that they
>were bringing BLACK back in the PC800--wonder what the bottom color
>will be?
>
>Craig C
>'95 BLACK PC800

I had heard this from another source as well, but the Honda Motorcycle web
page has been updated to show the 1998 model, and the only listed color is
red.

fsl   :-)

(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)

Francois Saint Laurent 	'95 PC800
Ottawa, Canada		Waltzing Matilda

 	HSTA Member Number 7470

(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)


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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 14:02:19 +0000
From: "David N.Dry" <dnduck@earthlink.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: New bike prices

Just checked two dealers in Santa Barbara & Ventura Ca. the latest price
for a brand new PC800 is $5990.00.  At this price I think they are well
worth buying.  I have a '93 Concours and its great and is a rocket
compared to a PC, but, I would like a more "user Friendly" bike at
walking & parking  speeds which the Connie ain't!  So I am seriously
considering picking up a PC for comfort and adequate power.  I'm two
years away from 70 yrs. old and bikes seem to get heavier or I'm getting
weaker.  I suspect the latter.

 David N. Dry
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1993 Kawasaki Concourse 6K mi.

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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 16:15:01 -0800 (PST)
From: luvadot@sprynet.com (Bob and Grace)
Subject: PC800: price of a pc includes ???
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

hi,

question to the list ... if you have a price on a new 96 pc of $6000 ... what 
and how much more would a person be expected to pay above the 6K listed price ?? 

ie

taxes ... shipping ... putting bike together ... 

any additional prices that a deal may or would add to the bike price ...

thanks in advance ...

:)

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From: Jim Randall <jrandall@tricon.net>
To: "'Paul Johannsen'" <pauljo@earthlink.net>
Cc: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: FW: PC800: Coming down to the wire; Concours vs Pacific Coast
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 19:27:19 -0500

Paul Johannsen wrote: 

>I was offered a test ride on the Concours prior to consumating any deal -
>they want to charge the battery first. I'm sure they'd let me ride the PC800 as
>well if I want too.

Both bikes sound like pretty fair deals. By all means ride the 
two bikes. Take a nice loooong ride on both. It's the only way 
to make up your mind. The Concours will have more power and 
particularly more top end performance. The PC will be more 
torquey (like your Shadow) and may be smoother. Only you 
can decide if the extra performance of the Concours is what 
"rings your bell". 

Jim Randall
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From: Jim Randall <jrandall@tricon.net>
To: "'A.T. Green'" <atg@technologist.com>
Cc: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: PC800: Colors
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 19:57:19 -0500


There's no doubt that lighter colors are more visible than dark 
but I rather doubt anything short of white or yellow makes 
a big difference. After all, they don't even paint fire engines 
red anymore because its not as visible as "fire engine
yellow." The most important visibility feature you have is 
your headlight. I run on high beam ALL the time during the 
day. Some states allow modulating headlights which are 
supposed to enhance visibility. I don't want to lecture you
here but my advice is to always assume you are invisible
because to most drivers you are. Never assume someone
sees you and always attempt to make eye-contact with other
drivers if possible. Watch the front wheels of other vehicles -
it's usually the first indication they are about to change 
direction or pull out. If you haven't had the MSF course, it's
a great investment in your safety and the enjoyment you'll
derive from your bike.

Regarding black PCs; I kid around a lot here about black versus 
the other colors, but I really do think it's a beautiful finish for 
an all plastic bike like the PC. It's a matter of personal taste 
of course, but I routinely get the same comments you did in 
Seattle - often from people who you wouldn't expect to comment
on a motorcycle. When I started looking for a PC, I really 
thought I wanted a '96 or '97 because of the red color. I still like 
red but after owning my black '95 for about 7 or 8 months, I  
wouldn't trade for another on the basis of color.

Jim Randall
jrandall@tricon.net

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From:	A.T. Green [SMTP:atg@technologist.com]
Sent:	Saturday, February 07, 1998 12:54 AM
To:	pc800
Subject:	PC800: Colors

Question for all '94/'95 owners....

My PC is my first bike. After having had it a while now and 5K miles, I
think that I'd rather have a more visible bike than black. What do you all
think of this?

Does it ever creep you out that you are less visible on black?

Just a thought...

BTW, I love the Triumph Blue and Green on the Trophy. I think those would
be great colors for the PC.


Went down to Seattle tonight. Nice temps, no rain and just drove around the
city. Downtown they still have lights in the trees. Sat a while enjoying
the night and the people were fantastic. A lot of "nice bike!". And to be
honest, nothing reflects the city at night like a black gloss paint job!!!


Peace.


Drew
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From: Craig Carter <ccarter@wans.net>
To: "'dnduck@earthlink.net'" <dnduck@earthlink.net>,
        "pc800@hpc.uh.edu"
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Subject: RE: PC800: New bike prices
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 23:37:37 -0600

$5990.00?  Can that possibly be correct for a brand new 1998?  It would be 
surprising to see such a price difference between different states..

Craig C.
'95 PC800

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Subject:	PC800: New bike prices

Just checked two dealers in Santa Barbara & Ventura Ca. the latest price
for a brand new PC800 is $5990.00.  At this price I think they are well... snipped


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From: TedJ101@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 06:19:21 EST
To: jrandall@tricon.net, atg@technologist.com
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Colors

In a message dated 98-02-07 19:56:56 EST, jrandall@tricon.net writes:

<< After all, they don't even paint fire engines 
 red anymore because its not as visible as "fire engine
 yellow."  >>


Actually, the red paint is substantially more expensive than the alternatives.
Many fire engines are painted green these days as a result.

FWIW, Mercedes did tests on the most visible color under poor lighting
conditions (fog and  twilight) and found a light yellow to be the most visible
(not canarly yellow, oddly enough).  You see a lot of Mercedes in that
color...

Regards,
          <<TED>>
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From: ChuckQdini@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 10:54:26 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Pacific Coast in Venezuela

Hello the list:
	While at the Caracas, Venezuela airport today, I noticed a familiar looking
form underneath a motorcycle cover. I took a peek and sure enough, it was an
89 Pacific Coast. The machine was dead stock from what I could tell and had a
set of Metzler tires. The owner had secured the bike with a "U" shaped bicycle
Kryptonite lock. To avoid another crack to the rear portion of his front
fender, he had placed the lock on the forward part of the front tire. I guess
it would be almost impossible to forget the lock in this position as the bike
would have to roll over the "U" shaped piece of steel. I think this is a very
simple and easy way to lock a PC and will buy the same kind of lock when I get
back stateside. I sure do miss "Scooter". I hope she is all warm and safe in
my living room where I left her, waiting for my return.
	Small motor scooters seem all the rage here and I saw a "racing model"
complete with expansion chamber and road racing Metzler tires! You might be
surprised to know that Ferrari makes a scooter! Its painted racing red of
course and the speedo tops out at 180 km/hr (I can't imagine going that fast
even on a Ferrari scooter!). They sell new in Venezuela for the equivalent of
$2,300 U.S. dollars. Browsing through bike shops is very informative as you
get to see many models that aren't imported to the U.S. The most interesting
was a Yamaha "Drag Star", a lowered, chromed out version of the Royal Star. It
came with pegs instead of floorboards, lowered frame and seat, narrow bars and
a very clean looking, "meaner" look. Speedo is mounted on the bars. Haven't
seen one in the U.S. but I bet they would sell well. 
       If you need to add some excitement to your life, try driving in
downtown Caracas traffic, it makes Los Angeles and Mexico City seem boring!
Hasta luego

Chuck Chiodini					
U.S. Army deployed in South America	"Just another day in Paradise!"
89 PC "Scooter"
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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 08:07:39 -0800 (PST)
From: luvadot@sprynet.com (Bob and Grace)
Subject: Re: PC800: New bike prices
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

hi,

we are trying to find out what prices are looking like ... we have called 
several dealerships this morning ...

what they have stated is the 98 pc will be black and the prices they have heard 
will be mid 8K ... does anyone know of a place to get hard facts on this issue 
... we are looking to buy a pc in the next couple of weeks and want to make sure 
we are getting correct pricing information ...

thanks

:)

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From: "Steve & Diane Scudder " <greyhound@bizgroup.net>
To: <PC800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Hello and questions.
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 12:41:31 -0500

Hello,

I'm new to the list, so here's some info as requested:

Steve Scudder
Grand Rapids, Michigan
greyhound@bizgroup.net
1997 model PC800
Bought new
Mudguard, Backrest (HondaLine)

OK, now onto my questions. Thank you in advance for any advice I receive.

I am interested in any recommendations for:

Alarm System

Driving Lamps

A Better Windshield!!!

Tank Bag that fits nicely

Cruise Control

Stereo ( gee, what are those cutouts for in the dash?)

Thanks,

Steve Scudder
greyhound@bizgroup.net



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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 12:34:13 -0600
From: Steve Wilson <deere@linknet.net>
To: Steve & Diane Scudder <greyhound@bizgroup.net>
CC: PC800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Hello and questions.


--------------7A2DA4548E25B7293A4AAD1B

Welcome to the list. I wish we had a form letter to reply to all the new
subscribers because the questions are always the same. The reply's never are!
You can go to Honda Pacific Coast (PC800) Motorcycle Web Page , then to Email
List server Information and then to the Archives and read till you service
provider turns out the lights and learn all you could ever want ot know about
the PC800 but that wouldn't be as much fun as getting to know what kinda
people who own PC800s are like by their replies to your own questions. I am
one of the typical smart alecks. In reply to the requested info, Alarms-Dont
know what every one else has done but I just bought an alarm at
Radio Shack for $29. Its self contained, has a key chain remote and was on
sale. Reg. $59. Driving lamps-I have Pilots ($50) from Auto Zone mounted
under the front faring protectors. Works good, looks good. Windshield-Rifle
RIFLE Fairings 1-800-262-1237 . $189 Tank Bag -Don't have one yet, so I don't
know. Cruise control- have a Vista cruise. $20 works good but not as pretty
as Throttelmeister $120. Stereo-Have a Chatterbox Intercom and an Sony AM-FM
radio velcroed to the back of my helmet. Honda no longer makes a stereo for
the PC but a lot of people have been creative and made something fit. No two
appear to be the same. Thanks- Your welcome. Don't hesitate to ask for more.
Their not all like me.
Steve Wilson
Ruston LA
95 PC800


Steve & Diane Scudder wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'm new to the list, so here's some info as requested:
>
> Steve Scudder
> Grand Rapids, Michigan
> greyhound@bizgroup.net
> 1997 model PC800
> Bought new
> Mudguard, Backrest (HondaLine)
>
> OK, now onto my questions. Thank you in advance for any advice I receive.
>
> I am interested in any recommendations for:
>
> Alarm System
>
> Driving Lamps
>
> A Better Windshield!!!
>
> Tank Bag that fits nicely
>
> Cruise Control
>
> Stereo ( gee, what are those cutouts for in the dash?)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve Scudder
> greyhound@bizgroup.net
>
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<HTML>
Welcome to the list. I wish we had a form letter to reply to all the new
subscribers because the questions are always the same. The reply's never
are! You can go to <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800/index.html">Honda
Pacific Coast (PC800) Motorcycle Web Page</A> , then to Email List server
Information and then to the Archives and read till you service provider
turns out the lights and learn all you could ever want ot know about the
PC800 but that wouldn't be as much fun as getting to know what kinda people
who own PC800s are like by their replies to your own questions. I am one
of the typical smart alecks. In reply to the requested info, Alarms-Dont
know what every one else has done but I just bought an alarm at
<BR>Radio Shack for $29. Its self contained, has a key chain remote and
was on sale. Reg. $59. Driving lamps-I have Pilots ($50) from Auto Zone
mounted under the front faring protectors. Works good, looks good. Windshield-Rifle
<A HREF="http://www.rifle.com/">RIFLE Fairings 1-800-262-1237</A> . $189
Tank Bag -Don't have one yet, so I don't know. Cruise control- have a Vista
cruise. $20 works good but not as pretty as Throttelmeister $120. Stereo-Have
a Chatterbox Intercom and an Sony AM-FM radio velcroed to the back of my
helmet. Honda no longer makes a stereo for the PC but a lot of people have
been creative and made something fit. No two appear to be the same. Thanks-
Your welcome. Don't hesitate to ask for more. Their not all like me.
<BR>Steve Wilson
<BR>Ruston LA
<BR>95 PC800
<BR>&nbsp;

<P>Steve &amp; Diane Scudder wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Hello,

<P>I'm new to the list, so here's some info as requested:

<P>Steve Scudder
<BR>Grand Rapids, Michigan
<BR>greyhound@bizgroup.net
<BR>1997 model PC800
<BR>Bought new
<BR>Mudguard, Backrest (HondaLine)

<P>OK, now onto my questions. Thank you in advance for any advice I receive.

<P>I am interested in any recommendations for:

<P>Alarm System

<P>Driving Lamps

<P>A Better Windshield!!!

<P>Tank Bag that fits nicely

<P>Cruise Control

<P>Stereo ( gee, what are those cutouts for in the dash?)

<P>Thanks,

<P>Steve Scudder
<BR>greyhound@bizgroup.net

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From: Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 09:22:16 -0600
Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 colors for '98


I was at the Cycle World International motorcycle show this weekend in
Minneapolis and they had a 1998 Honda Pacific Coast on display the color
and the name of the color attached to the bike in quotes.

'RED ONLY'

Later
Roger


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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 08:04:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Amy Rottier Donovan <platypus69@yahoo.com>
Subject: PC800: Greetings (piggyback)
To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu

Greetings!

I know I already posted once, but I thought I should say hello formally.

I just bought my 1989 PC800 just over a week ago.  It has the stock
windshield and a Hondaline backrest.  It now has 150 more miles than
when I bought it (at 9760 miles).  And I am *not* a cold-weather
rider.  I would love to get some of the items already discussed on
this list, particularly the taller Rifle shield and stiffer suspension
(I'll do a lot of travelling on this puppy).  And I would love to have
some electronics for the trips - radio, CB, whatever.  Like Steve
Scudder, whose introduction prompted me to do likewise, I am curious
about those speaker-sized shapes in the fairing...

I have really enjoyed the bike thus far, except for a few things. 
Primarily, the wind noise.  My previous ride had the noise as well as
buffetting; now that I'm not fighting the wind to keep my head
straight, the noise is that much more unbearable.  I could do with a
better helmet, I know, but is there anything else I could do? 
Earplugs helped only slightly.

I'd like to replace the grips with larger circumference ones. 
Suggested brands?  Method for removal/replacement?

There is a vibration noise in the dash when the bike is idling. 
Suggestions for fixing this?  It's not a bother, just curious.

I'm a little concerned about the riding position (note: *little*).  I
have a little soreness in my shoulders and upper back after this
weekend's rides.  Will I become accustomed to this, or do you think it
was cold/anxiety related?  My arms are just a bit longer than average,
so reach isn't the problem.  I know the bars aren't adjustable, and
the seating is really quite comfortable, otherwise.  I just wanted to
hear others' testimony.

Anyway, I'm enjoying ownership so far.  I'd love to have it be a
different color, but I have it now.  Has anyone else done something
with their pearly bikes to make them more, well, exciting?

Thanks,
Amy



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>
> Hello,
> 
> I'm new to the list, so here's some info as requested:
> 
> Steve Scudder
> Grand Rapids, Michigan
> greyhound@bizgroup.net
> 1997 model PC800
> Bought new
> Mudguard, Backrest (HondaLine)
> 
> OK, now onto my questions. Thank you in advance for any advice I
receive.
> 
> I am interested in any recommendations for:
> 
> Alarm System
> 
> Driving Lamps
> 
> A Better Windshield!!!
> 
> Tank Bag that fits nicely
> 
> Cruise Control
> 
> Stereo ( gee, what are those cutouts for in the dash?)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Steve Scudder
> greyhound@bizgroup.net
> 
> 
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From: nsimmons@manu.com
To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:24:40 +0000
Subject: PC800: Various Jotting from the UK


As a new subscriber - a bit of background

I have been riding one of those nice red PCs daily in all weathers for
nearly 2 years in the UK now and finding bits and pieces for a PC800 can be
difficult as the bike was never officially imported.  Honda have just
issued the parts microfiche to their dealers so things are improving and I
hope we will be able to get stuff within a few days.

There are a number of specialist importers who will get you a new bike -
The price, for those of you who think $7k is a lot, is about $11.5k (at
current exchange rates).  Used ones worth having are not much cheaper.
Just imagine, the officially imported ST1100 costs us in the UK the best
part of $19k and a GL1500 somewhere around $25,000!

In search of a suitable radio I ran into a problem, although Sony make a
radio with a remote, the remote is not, unfortunately, waterproof.  There
are, however, a number of manufacturers who supply radios with sealed,
credit card sized, infra red remotes which are ideal.  I know you will all
recognise that IR needs line of sight to work but it is possible to bend
light round corners and through bodywork - the answer is fibre optic cable
from your local electronics store.  All you have to do is mount one end of
the cable aimed at the remote and the other at the receiver on the radio!
I mounted the remote with velcro so I don't have to worry about someone
ripping it off - when I leave the bike it comes with me!  I would be
interested in a source of speakers suitable for the cut outs.

I have also fitted a separate fuse box in the trunk for the ancillary kit
as this keeps everything neat and tidy.  This includes heated grips, heated
gloves (for the really cold days) and an Autocom Intercom as well as the
radio.

I noted someone looking for tank bags and I don't know if Baglux are
available in the States.  They tailor tank covers and matching bags (about
$100 a piece) and are happy to send things mail order.

Whilst I find the seating position very good, I'm not sure about the
screen,  I recently tried an R1100 RT and found the electric screen only
worked in the fully up position.  Unfortunately its not that easy try
different height screens to find out the correct one so I'm thinking of
clamping bits on to try the various options.  I would be interested in
comments regarding the effect of taller (and wider) screens in cross winds.

I have seen pictures of bikes with additional pieces on the fairing (wind
deflectors?) can anyone point me at a manufacturer?  I would like to keep
the wind off my feet and hands.

Happy riding

Neville E Simmons


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From: "Thomas Brown" <tom@islanddata.com>
To: "Amy Rottier Donovan" <platypus69@yahoo.com>, <PC800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: PC800: Greetings (piggyback)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:41:05 -0800
Importance: Normal

I too am new to the PC800 and a took me a few days to get comfortable
riding it.  It was not the bikes fault, I was new to riding and it took me
a few days to learn the fine art of relaxing while I rode.  For me, anxiety
was the only issue.  As soon as I relaxed, 400 miles was no problem.

I have the Hondaline tall windshield and consider the ride to be quiet.
The shield is not as clear as I would like due to the fact that the film
they coat it with is pealing, however, I do plan on replacing it with the
same since I don't care for the look of the Rifle.

I recently purchased a Midland CB/WX/FM radio from Sierra Electronics
http://ibvnet.inb.net/sierra and a J&M headset for my helmet.  The CB works
well, however the FM radio leaves a little to be desired as far as fidelity
goes.

I did do some searching for a car stereo alternative and CB integration and
could not find a good solution that allowed for remote control and display.
I am still talking with a couple of manufacturers to try and see if I can
purchase a remote detachable face mount to mount above the dash.

Welcome, and hope this info helps

tom

> I know I already posted once, but I thought I should say hello formally.
>
> I just bought my 1989 PC800 just over a week ago.  It has the stock
> windshield and a Hondaline backrest.  It now has 150 more miles than
> when I bought it (at 9760 miles).  And I am *not* a cold-weather
> rider.  I would love to get some of the items already discussed on
> this list, particularly the taller Rifle shield and stiffer suspension
> (I'll do a lot of travelling on this puppy).  And I would love to have
> some electronics for the trips - radio, CB, whatever.  Like Steve
> Scudder, whose introduction prompted me to do likewise, I am curious
> about those speaker-sized shapes in the fairing...
>
> I have really enjoyed the bike thus far, except for a few things.
> Primarily, the wind noise.  My previous ride had the noise as well as
> buffetting; now that I'm not fighting the wind to keep my head
> straight, the noise is that much more unbearable.  I could do with a
> better helmet, I know, but is there anything else I could do?
> Earplugs helped only slightly.
>
> I'd like to replace the grips with larger circumference ones.
> Suggested brands?  Method for removal/replacement?
>
> There is a vibration noise in the dash when the bike is idling.
> Suggestions for fixing this?  It's not a bother, just curious.
>
> I'm a little concerned about the riding position (note: *little*).  I
> have a little soreness in my shoulders and upper back after this
> weekend's rides.  Will I become accustomed to this, or do you think it
> was cold/anxiety related?  My arms are just a bit longer than average,
> so reach isn't the problem.  I know the bars aren't adjustable, and
> the seating is really quite comfortable, otherwise.  I just wanted to
> hear others' testimony.
>
> Anyway, I'm enjoying ownership so far.  I'd love to have it be a
> different color, but I have it now.  Has anyone else done something
> with their pearly bikes to make them more, well, exciting?
>
> Thanks,
> Amy

>


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From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com
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Subject: PC800: Colors of Motorcycle
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 08:22:11 -0800 



Drew asked about black bikes.   Frankly I don't like to try to keep a
black bike looking clean. ;-)   I also received many comments on my PC.
Lots of people seemed to think it was a great looking bike.   I suspect
this would be true in any color.

They don't paint police bikes white for nothing.    I had a red PC, and
I always wished it was yellow.   I love yellow and black paint jobs such
as the Valkyrie sports.   Yellow is a nice eye catching color, and it
looks like white at night.   Red is okay during the day, but at night it
might as well be black.    Fortunately the PC800 has the most marvelous
taillight that really grabs attention when it goes on.   The signal
lights are well placed too.

 I also put a two inch stripe of reflective tape around the bottom of
the red portion of the trunk on each side from the taillight to the
front of the trunk..   It was from Aerostitch, and during the day it
looked like light grey.   It went quite nicely with the bike and at
night it was like having  a light strip  when the headlight of a car hit
it.  It was very reflective.  Nobody who commented on the bike realized
that the reflective stripe was not factory trim.   It is quite easy to
do.

On my old Honda CM450E I cut 3M reflective tape to about 1/8 inch wide
and used it to pin stripe the gas tank.   I also made a bumper  sticker
4 inches tall on the (Scott) trunk out of 3M reflective tape and black
vinyl lettering.   I used blue reflective tape on the sides of the front
forks.     With a little creativity you can make a bike more visible at
night.

The ultimate color for me would be 3M reflective yellow like the lines
on the highway.   Now that would show up day or night!

My current bike is invisible blue.    Oh well.   I don't have the bucks
to paint it yellow, so another option will be used.   The luggage is
going to get the reflective tape treatment....



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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 18:50:16 -0500
From: "J. MARK VENABLE" <VENABJM@GWSMTP.NU.COM>
To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Re: Various Jotting from the UK


Neville E Simmons  wrote:

>There are, however, a number of manufacturers who supply radios with sealed,
>credit card sized, infra red remotes which are ideal.  I know you will all
>recognise that IR needs line of sight to work but it is possible to bend
>light round corners and through bodywork - the answer is fibre optic cable
>from your local electronics store. 


Too Cool!!!  Anybody else tried this?  Any particular radios better suited than
others?  Anybody got pictures to share?   I gotta look into this.

Mark Venable
'90 PC  "This End Up"
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From: "Steve & Diane Scudder " <greyhound@bizgroup.net>
To: "PC800 Listserve" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Mudguard availability.
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:57:38 -0500

Hello everyone,

Just picked up my Front Fender Mudguard, p/n 08156-MR500. Looks real cool
but unfortunately it doesn't fit my PC800!! Dealer says that Honda's
response is " of course it doesn't fit, works on '89 to '96 models only and
we have no part for "97+ models". How nice.
Does anyone know of an aftermarket guard that will work?
Perhaps Honda should inform their dealers and update their website as well.


Steve Scudder
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How could you not LOVE a Greyhound?!

Ps- Thanks for all of the great responses to my first post!


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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 19:23:20 -0600
From: Mike Ver Velde <m.vervelde@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: PC800: Greetings (piggyback)
To: Thomas Brown <tom@islanddata.com>,
        Amy Rottier Donovan <platypus69@yahoo.com>, PC800@hpc.uh.edu


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From: Thomas Brown <tom@islanddata.com>
To: Amy Rottier Donovan <platypus69@yahoo.com>; PC800@hpc.uh.edu
<PC800@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: Monday, February 09, 1998 12:45 PM
Subject: RE: PC800: Greetings (piggyback)
>I have the Hondaline tall windshield and consider the ride to be quiet.
>The shield is not as clear as I would like due to the fact that the film
>they coat it with is pealing, however, I do plan on replacing it with the
>same since I don't care for the look of the Rifle.
>

Now that you mentioned it... I have 2 used tall hondaline windshields that
came with both PCs I purchased. I prefer the stock over the tall ones, so,
here they are.  They are not peeling, but have some screw scrapes where it
is screwed into the bike. Maybe a nick here or there on the outside part,
but nothing distorting.   If anyone wants them- $25 each plus shipping.
E-mail me privately as not to clutter up the list.  m.vervelde@mci2000.com

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From: "Robert Coulter" <robertc@en.com>
To: <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Cc: "Bob and Grace" <luvadot@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: PC800: New bike prices
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:32:11 -0500


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From: Bob and Grace <luvadot@sprynet.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: Sunday, February 08, 1998 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: PC800: New bike prices


>hi,
>
>we are trying to find out what prices are looking like ... we have called
>several dealerships this morning ...
>
>what they have stated is the 98 pc will be black and the prices they have
heard
>will be mid 8K ... does anyone know of a place to get hard facts on this
issue
>... we are looking to buy a pc in the next couple of weeks and want to make
sure
>we are getting correct pricing information ...
>
>We went to the motorcycle show at the IX Center in Cleveland, OH on
February 1st.  One dealer had a '98 PC (looked identical to my '97, same
bright red color) for $8699.00.   I've been told it will only be available
in one color, as in the past.  Good luck with your shopping!

Karen Coulter
'97 PC  "Li'l Red"


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Subject: PC800: 96 pc 800
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 20:27:12 -0600
From: "Paul B. Atkins" <patkins@mari.net>
To: "pc 800 list" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>

Hey folks.
I visited my local friendly Honda Dealer and found out about some "new" 
96 PC's for sale with an asking price of 5800. 
This would be a new bike with warranty etc. "right out of the box". 
Reactions/advice would be appreciate regarding the price, the 96 year 
bikes, etc.
I am currently riding a "78 CB 750 and am a re-entry rider. Took it up 
again after a 20 year break after taking the safety course and buying the 
750 used. I put 3000 miles on it last summer just putzing around on the 
country roads.

I am inclined to jump on the PC and again, would be interested in the 
proposed deal and model.
Thanks
Paul
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:43:16 -0600
From: Mike Ver Velde <m.vervelde@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: PC800: Greetings (piggyback)
To: pilewis1@concentric.net
Cc: PC800 List <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>

Here's winner #2!  Phil, you got the second shield.  Heres a notice to all,
Im now all out of tall hondaline windshields from Mikeys Discount Bike Toys.

I examined both shields last night to see which one was worse. Nope. Both
are in pretty good shape- just need to clean off the splattered bug goo that
is still lingering in places...(from the last owner who negleted to clean
it...)

Ill send the details to you privately as I just wanted to let all know Im
Out!

Mike V

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From: Phil Lewis <pilewis1@concentric.net>
To: Mike Ver Velde <m.vervelde@mci2000.com>
Cc: pilewis1@concentric.net <pilewis1@concentric.net>;
pilewis1@earthlink.net <pilewis1@earthlink.net>
Date: Tuesday, February 10, 1998 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: PC800: Greetings (piggyback)


>Hi Mike!
>
>Now that you mention it, I could use a new/used-better tall windshied!!  :)
>If you have both of them left, I'll take your best one.... or the last one
>you've got if it's in pretty good shape.
>
>E-mail me or call me 714 855-6385.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Phil Lewis
>
>---------------------------------------
>
>
>Mike Ver Velde wrote:
>
>> >
>>
>> Now that you mentioned it... I have 2 used tall hondaline windshields
that
>> came with both PCs I purchased. I prefer the stock over the tall ones,
so,
>> here they are.  They are not peeling, but have some screw scrapes where
it
>> is screwed into the bike. Maybe a nick here or there on the outside part,
>> but nothing distorting.   If anyone wants them- $25 each plus shipping.
>> E-mail me privately as not to clutter up the list.
m.vervelde@mci2000.com
>
>
>
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>*'90 PC     *
>*"Delta Red"*
>*So. Cal.   *
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>
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From: pckwong@hkusua.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: PC800: KONI shocks prices
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:08:57 +0800 (HKT)

Hi listers,

> White Power type: front: 992.201.B, rear: 3.14.I3.52
> 
> Rear: Koni type: 7610
> Internet: http://www.koni.com/

Thanks to Gerard for providing the KONI #.  Checked from a local dealer
last evening, is US$113 a good price for these KONIs?

For those PCs with KONI shocks, how much did you pay for them?
How about springs for the front end?

Thanks in advanced.

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  * VR2XVI <-- HAM         '95 GL1500SE Candy Red    <-- the flooded bike *
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From: pckwong@hkusua.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: PC800: Rotor reflector convertion - Pt II
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:26:50 +0800 (HKT)

Hi listers,

Just finalized my rotor reflector light project.  Ended up with some
drawings drawn, and additional installation instructions and hints, plus
some miniature light bulbs for you guys to collect.

Divided in sets of 6 light bulbs (2 bulbs per side, plus 2 spare), first
3 get them.  Just let me have your postal address, and these will be
yours.  Absolutely free, no payment is required.  Let me know if you don't
need spare bulbs, and I'll send'em to the 4th guy.

Or you may simply send me your reflectors, and I'll install the lights
for you, and return them by registered airmail - free of charge.  But
you have to get me a patch from your local PD - I collect Police
patches.  Isn't that a good deal?  

Free bulbs and patch deals are seperate issues, bulbs will be given away
anyway.

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From: "Cathy Kaiser" <kaismo@worldnet.att.net>
To: "PC800" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: wind noise & hesitation
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:15:02 -0800

Greetings Listers!

I just got a new '97 PC800 to replace my old mule.  Can anyone help with
the following:

1)  WIND NOISE- I'm really torn between the Saeng Stealth edging, a larger
Hondaline shield, or just cutting the stocker down six inches.  I would
appreciate your specific comments regarding any fix you may have tried.  I
ride my bike every day for transportation, so whatever I do has got to
really work.  Please include your height, and how your
modifications affected the amount and quality of wind noise,
changes in the amount of forward pressure on your body at highway speed,
interference with your line of sight, performance in the rain (I absolutely
hate the way water spills off the top and smacks me in the face), and
anything else regarding what it is really like to live with your particular
windshield modification.

2)  HESITATION- My bike stumbles at throttle openings just off idle.  It is
most noticable when starting from a standing stop.  I launch well, then the
bike bogs after rolling 10 feet, then catches and pulls strongly again.  It
feels like the slow speed jetting is too lean.  It's worse when the engine
is cold.  It seemed to get better when I closed the air screws 1/2 turn. 
Has anyone else ever had this kind of problem?  Did jetting richer help? 
The dealer can't help with jetting (emissions laws) and I need some
reassurance that I'm heading in the right direction before I take the bike
half apart to fix it.

Thanks to all for your help.    

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:19:14 -0600
From: Mike Ver Velde <m.vervelde@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: PC800: Greetings (piggyback)
To: Craig Carter <ccarter@wans.net>
Cc: PC800 List <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>

Going...going...gone!  Sure was alot of interest for this sheild.  Imagine
that- the first buyer was from the east coast probably lurking online at 1
am soon after I put the original message up... fast work.  For the rest of
you who wanted it, sorry, wish I had more to sell, you all seem like nice
folks.  However, I still have a 90 pc that I have been using for salvage
parts if anyone is interested in anything... (the wheels are already
reserved for Chicago.)

Mike V
Stockton CA
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From: Craig Carter <ccarter@wans.net>
To: 'Mike Ver Velde' <m.vervelde@mci2000.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 10, 1998 9:44 PM
Subject: RE: PC800: Greetings (piggyback)


>Hi Mike,
>
> Have you sold these yet?  Where are you located?  If you still have them,
>I'd like the option to purchase the best of the two.
>
>Let me know,
>Craig C.
>'95 PC800
>
>

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From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:40:46 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: wind noise & hesitation

Hi, Cathy, and welcome:

Wind Noise:  I am 5' 11" with a sitting height of about 38".  I use the tall
Hondaline with Stealth edging.  This is comparable in height and wind
protection to the 29" Rifle configuration.  My normal line of sight is about
1.5" above the top of the windscreen.  I get some windnoise and slight helmet
buffeting with this setup, but much less than with the stock screen and
somewhat less than with the tall screen without Stealth edging.  I normally
wear earplugs when out on the highway; so, the small amount of wind noise is
not a problem at all. The "back pressure" is greater than with the stock
screen, but I don't find it bothersome.  If you have a quiet helmet (like the
Shoei RF-700 or RF-800), you might like the cut-down screen that puts your
head completely in the free stream.  The stock '89 shield almost does this for
me ('90+ shields are slightly taller), and I use it in the summer.  I still
need to cut it down a few inches to make it "right," but I haven't done it
yet.

Hesitation:  I have never experienced the hesitation you describe.  Sounds
like something is partially clogging the low-speed jets.  How long did the
bike sit with fuel in the carburetors before being sold?  In any case, it
isn't normal, and the dealer should fix it.

Good luck,

JT
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:47:42 -0500
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Francois Saint Laurent <fsl@borgconsulting.com>
Subject: Re: PC800: wind noise & hesitation


Cathy Keiser wrote:

>Greetings Listers!
>
>I just got a new '97 PC800 to replace my old mule.


Wow!   Lucky you!  I'll throw in my 2 cents (well, maybe a nickel!) on the
shield questions, but I can't help with the hesitation. I haven't
experienced that at all.

>
>1)  WIND NOISE- I'm really torn between the Saeng Stealth edging, a larger
>Hondaline shield, or just cutting the stocker down six inches.  I would
>appreciate your specific comments regarding any fix you may have tried.


I am 6'2", with a 35" inseam. When I sit on the bike I see over the shield
by about 3 or 4 inches. When I first got my PC800 last year, I was also
unhappy with the turbulent air flow around my helmet. I found that if I
stood up on the pegs (kids..don't try this at home) then the wind noise
would go away, as my helmet, like most full face helmets, has been designed
to be in the wind completely.  I am not a fan of looking through the shield
so the Tall Hondaline shield was out.   I found myself with two days to
find a solution since I was leaving on a 500 mile trip. I ordered the Saeng
edging, thinking it would do the job as a temporary fix. I still have it on
the bike. It has made the shield 'feel' like it is about 2-3 inches larger
on each edge.  I still have wind, and it's not completely quiet like some
Rifle shield owners have stated, but the wind now seems smoother. I also
feel ike there is less forward pressure against my shoulders and chest.
Some people don't like the black Saeng edging in their line of site, but I
haven't found that to be too much of an issue. As an added advantage, very
little rain that hits the shield actually makes it over the top of the
shield any more.  It may not be the best solution to your problems, but for
about $40 it's worth a try.


Good luck, and let us know what you find out about the hesitation.

fsl

(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)

Francois Saint Laurent 	'95 PC800
Ottawa, Canada		Waltzing Matilda

 	HSTA Member Number 7470

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From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, kaismo@worldnet.att.net
Subject: RE: PC800: wind noise & hesitation
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 07:08:11 -0800

Cathy wrote:
	"1)  WIND NOISE- I'm really torn between the Saeng Stealth
edging, a larger
> Hondaline shield, or just...."
> 
I am  only 5' 10", but I sit tall in the saddle.

I too commute daily on my motorcycle.   I had the TALL Hondaline
windshield installed before I picked up the bike when I bought my PC.
(So I cannot comment on the worthless stock windshield.)   I also put on
the SAENG edging.   Both together gave my a ride so quiet I could
whisper to myself.

If I sat up straight, I  could look over the tall Hondaline windshield.
Mostly I "relaxed" and looked through it.  The SAENG edging does a great
job of keeping the rain from flinging off of the windshield onto you.

If you don't mind wasting some money, you might try the SAENG edging on
the short windshield first.    That will cost you about $30.   If that
is inadequate, you might try the tall windshield for about $230.    The
edging on the tall windshield (you need more of it) runs around $50.

Cathy also wrote:
	"2)  HESITATION- My bike stumbles at throttle openings just off
idle."

This behavior in a car usually could be tracked back to a faulty (Argh,
I can't remember the name!) pump in the carburetor.   When you hit the
gas, a little piston pump and spring assembly squirts gas into the
intake manifold.   This "runs" the engine until the carburetor catches
up and does its job.   If the little carburetor pump isn't working, you
get a hesitation any time you tromp on the gas, at all speeds.   It is
usually most noticeable when stopped because the flow of air through the
carburetor is lowest then.

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> From: 	Cathy Kaiser[SMTP:kaismo@worldnet.att.net]
> Sent: 	Tuesday, February 10, 1998 9:15 PM
> To: 	PC800
> Subject: 	PC800: wind noise & hesitation
> 
> Greetings Listers!
> 
> I just got a new '97 PC800 to replace my old mule.  Can anyone help
> with
> the following:
> 
> 1)  WIND NOISE- I'm really torn between the Saeng Stealth edging, a
> larger
> Hondaline shield, ...
> 
> 2)  HESITATION- My bike stumbles at throttle openings just off idle.
> It is
> most noticable when starting from a standing stop.  ....
> 
> 
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From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, luvadot@sprynet.com
Subject: RE: PC800: price of a pc includes ???
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 07:25:33 -0800

I think the "recommended" charge for shipping and assembly is $328.
What the dealer actually charges can be considerably less than that.
When I purchased my PC, a floor model, I only paid $120 and that
included using a heat gun to make a custom headlight guard, installation
of the tall windshield, and installation of the trunk light accessory
kit.  The shop lead, "D.K." also noticed that the bike had been
assembled incorrectly and fixed that.  So it can vary widely.

The Taxes and licensing vary (greatly)  by state.

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> From: 	luvadot@sprynet.com[SMTP:luvadot@sprynet.com]
> Sent: 	Saturday, February 07, 1998 4:15 PM
> To: 	pc800@hpc.uh.edu
> Subject: 	PC800: price of a pc includes ???
> 
> hi,
> 
> question to the list ... if you have a price on a new 96 pc of $6000
> ... what 
> and how much more would a person be expected to pay above the 6K
> listed price ?? 
> 
> ie
> 
> taxes ... shipping ... putting bike together ... 
> 
> any additional prices that a deal may or would add to the bike price
> ...
> 
> 
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 16:41:37 -0800
From: frans klaus <Frans.Klaus@net.HCC.nl>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Euro rules

Alan Taylor wrote:
> 
> I'm currently involved in a case where it was stated that m/c's in
> Europe, particularly Italy, are required to lane split.
---------shortened-------- 
> Any riders with experience on the rules in Europe?
> 
Hello list,

I do my daily commuting in The Netherlands, and here it is illegal to go
between the lines. There is a kind of gentleman's agreement (with the
police and motorcyclists assocation) to allow it if it is done
carefully, i.e. not to fast (written was 'walking pace'). My own
experiences indicate that police cars make space for me, and I usually
use speeds up to 25 mph.
I also know (from others) that it is good for a ticket if you try it in
Germany.

Happy riding all!
frans
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:08:21 -0800
From: frans klaus <Frans.Klaus@net.HCC.nl>
To: Lonnie Harbour <laughy@southeast.net>
CC: PC800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: PC Review

Lonnie Harbour wrote (amongst other text):
>I h-h-hate buzzy bikes!
>I'm not sure about the power delivery.  Someone told me it had a very narrow powerband.

The PC800 is not buzzy, and very comfortable. I use the bike frequently
with just under 2000 rpm showing, and seldom going over 4500 but it will
go over the redline without problem if required. I notice hardly any
difference in the timespan from 40 to 60 mph in either third, fourth or
fifth gear. If you think that is a narrow power band, so be it, but not
in my opnion. Just buy one (but if you buy the '89 be sure to get one
with a replaced stator, it is sure to break with the original, as I
found out).

Happy miles,
frans
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:32:09 -0500
From: Henry A Ulrich <hank@hamptons.com>
To: "PC800@hpc.uh.edu" <PC800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Radio

Anyone have any experience with a non Honda-line radio.  I'm a bit
festidious about these things and would like speakers that fit in the
factory holes. Does anyone know of such an item.

Henry Ulrich
97 PC (2K)

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From: "Michael S. Brown" <ctywrksmikeb@lisco.net>
To: "PC800" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Super Brace
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:55:33 -0600

Hello All,

Super Brace is now manufacturing a fork brace for the PC.  The individual I
spoke with stated that a 97 was coming in so that a pattern could be
developed.  I was so excited I put my name on the list.  Now I'll have to
call back and verify that the brace will fit on the 89 - 96.  The 97 has
the "new" front fender.  Duhhhhh  = : (  .  (FWIW - six other PC's were
already on the list for a brace.)

Michael '90 PC800  "ESCAPN"
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From: "Michael S. Brown" <ctywrksmikeb@lisco.net>
To: "PC800" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Cycle Hunters
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:50:32 -0600

Hello All,

Was in the Big City today on business, stopped by the Honda Store,  96
PC800 - 0 miles.  The dealer is asking $6,000.

Garvis Honda - Des Moines, IA

Michael '90 PC800 "ESCAPN"
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From: "Michael S. Brown" <ctywrksmikeb@lisco.net>
To: "PC800" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Super Brace
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:15:41 -0600



Doug,
>and, what function does a fork brace perform?
 
A fork brace provides additional rigidity to the forks by providing another
point to tie both forks together besides just the top at the head and the
bottom at the wheel.  Forks when subjected to cornering have twist and flex
forces exerted upon them.  This can result in a head shake or other
handling problems.  A fork brace stiffens the forks, which reduces the
effect of forces upon the forks.  Consequently a motorcycle that seemed
skittish or loose at speed in a corner should behave better.  Take a look
at the forks on an ST100 sometime.  About midway between the wheel and the
top clamp is a funny looking black gizmo tying both fork tubes together.

If you want additional information about fork braces, search the archieves,
Kent Polk wrote about the benefits of such an item.

Michael  '90 PC800  "ESCAPN"
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 02:43:53 -0500
From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com>
Subject: PC800: Fork brace
To: HondaPacificCoastOwners <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>

Re: the following message
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
What function does a fork brace perform?
 =

A fork brace provides additional rigidity to the forks by providing anoth=
er
point to tie both forks together besides just the top at the head and the=

bottom at the wheel.  Forks when subjected to cornering have twist and fl=
ex
forces exerted upon them.  This can result in a head shake or other
handling problems.  A fork brace stiffens the forks, which reduces the
effect of forces upon the forks.  Consequently a motorcycle that seemed
skittish or loose at speed in a corner should behave better.  Take a look=

at the forks on an ST100 sometime.  About midway between the wheel and th=
e
top clamp is a funny looking black gizmo tying both fork tubes together
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
All of the above is true, but a fork brace ain't gonna work on an 89-95 P=
ee
Cee
unless you change the front fender! Sorry...

Dana
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From: "Mike Whited" <MikeTW@worldnet.att.net>
To: "Cathy Kaiser" <kaismo@worldnet.att.net>, "PC800" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: wind noise & hesitation
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 06:31:36 -0500



> I just got a new '97 PC800 to replace my old mule.  Can anyone help with
> the following:
> 
> 1)  WIND NOISE-

 I like the looks of the stock shield so I haven't made any changes. I wear
a RF700 and on a ride over 30 min the wind noise is unbearable so I use
earplugs. I find that the plugs that squish up and look like chewed bubble
gum work best for me.

> 2)  HESITATION- My bike stumbles at throttle openings just off idle.  It
is
> most noticable when starting from a standing stop.  I launch well, then
the
> bike bogs after rolling 10 feet, then catches and pulls strongly again. 
It
> feels like the slow speed jetting is too lean.  It's worse when the
engine
> is cold.

I've never had a hesitation problem with my PC and would fine it
unacceptable and dangerous. 
Did you buy this bike new?
If so you have a 3 year waranty. Make the dealer fix it. If it sat for a
long time with gas in it the carbs could be gummed up affecting the low end
performance that you described.
If the dealer dosen't want to correct the problem ask them how to contact
the regional Honda representive or when he's going to be at their shop. 
If this fails call Honda.
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:15:50 +0800
From: Yu Seung <pohys@singnet.com.sg>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: sad to go

Hi Gang, I did write something like this earlier so the feeling of
deja-vu is real.  But when it comes down to the bottom line, you gotta
face the facts.

Lately I've been doing some soul searching and realize I just want basic
transport at minimal cost.  The mass of 600pounds being lugged around
every to do my rounds is too much.  This combined with the fact that I'm
on instalments for 3 more years has led me to sell the PC.  I want a
cheaper ride.  I've already gotten a buyer and he's going to view the
bike again sometime later this week.  Should be able to sell it to him. 
He should be happy because he'll get the detachable stereo, new
Metzelers, two front seats, Monokey rack and tax/insurance till Jan 99. 
Pictures of my stereo are on the Netherlands site for those who want to
follow the layout.

My next ride will probably be a Kawasaki Zephyr750.  Four and a half
year old specimens going for a third the price of my PC.  Imagine...30%
the price only.  Can pay in cash and no more instalments!  (Those of you
in the financial sector will know Asia is very much in an economic
crisis)  Interestingly, the Kawa has 68hp,440 pounds as opposed to the
PC's 52 horses,600 pounds.  So I'll still be able to go touring and long
rides, just in less comfort and flashyness.  I've proudly stood at a
distance and watched newly weds pose beside my bike for photo shoots
(without my permission).  Cagers gawk at the trunk and even tourists
seem to look in admiration of the sleek steed I own.  I felt proud and
happy.  But the fact is, to go touring, I only need the horses and a
decent windsheild.  Boxes can be added on and a Scottoiler can be
installed to oil the chain.

Many thanks to the patient who answered my enquiries and sometimes
misguided questions. If any of you do come to Singapore, please drop me
a line on the net and I'll be glad to meet up, show you around and
answer any questions about Singapore. Sad to go, but when to bank
account says so, I go.  Will unsubscribe in a week, just as I finalise
the details of the sale to the next owner.  Will direct him to this
group if he has email.

Yu Seung from Singapore,  '95 Black, Blasting and now Weeping

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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:56:43 +0800
From: Yu Seung <pohys@singnet.com.sg>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Langkawi Trip

It's been overdue, but here's my account of the trip I took during the
Lunar New Year. 
Those not interested in trip reports, delete this file.

Trip to Langkawi

The group consisted of the following bikes.  A R1100RT, R1100GS,
CBX1100XX, K1200RS, PC800, CBR600F2, ST1100 and a ZX4, plus a BMW 316 as
the sweeper.  The day started at 7am, and the ride up to Penang
(500miles) was bad.  The rain cloud seemed to follow us all the way, and
riding on the highway, the bike was twitchy when we had to change lanes
to overtake because of the white painted lines.  Including rest stops,
the entire journey took 12 hours and all the way , the PC felt like a
beached whale, with two up and an extra Monokey E46 topbox fully
loaded.  Fortunately, the raincoats were in good condition and therefore
we weren't drenched to the bone.

At least the venue was worth the ride.  Langkawi is an island two hours
off the West Coast of Penninsula Malaysia by ferry and we were able to
bring all our bikes there in the ferry.  It is a laid back tropical
island that is beginning to be populated by 5 star hotels and such. 
Because of this the budget bed and breakfast places run by the are
facing some stiff competition.  The rustic slow pace is why we go to
Malaysia for a holiday.  An opportunity to escape the ringing of pagers
and handphones and to just go jetskiing, explore the island, island
hopping and plain lazing about.  It is about 90 plus degrees F but
because of the low humidity, hardly perspired.  So we all felt fresh
throughout the day.  Rented Honda Cubs and rode around the island
without helmets but lots of sunblock!  (something you can't do in
Singapore)

Evenings usually filled with lots of food, beer and chatting.  Some
played cards and Taboo.  great fun after a few beers 'cos the mind goes
into slumber mode.  Like all holidays it was too short and we took the
highway back home to Singapore.  Ridewise, quite uneventful because it
was highway all the way, but the return journey was marked by a massive
traffic flow.  Apparently it was the last day of the public hoidays for
the locals and intertown traffic was very high!  weaving in and out of
cars at full throttle, my PC managed to keep up with the pack...but I'm
sure the rest weren't going flat out.  A loaded PC isn't fast at all. 
Anyway, had my first taste of riding at 100mph and I must say it is
scary.  When a car creeps into your lane, brakes on and hold your
breath.  Not good, so I decided to ease off and ride with the flow after
awhile.

Made it back to Singapore in one piece and was very surprised that both
me and Rosalind were feeling slightly tiredm but no aching bones, no
numb feet/hands and no sore bottoms.  Definitely a bike for the long
haul.  Total return journey about 1000miles.

Seung


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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:00:14 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <pilewis1@concentric.net>
To: pohys@singnet.com.sg
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: sad to go

Dear Yu Seung!

Most of us have experienced financial conditions such as yours, but be
assured, with the passage of time, things will change, and, God willing, you
will have better times ahead.

You sound to me like a strong person, able to enjoy what you have at the
moment, and that is what will make the difference for what you will have in
the future.

May you always enjoy the best that life has to offer, today and always.

Happy riding......

Phil


--------------------------------------------

Yu Seung wrote:

> Hi Gang, I did write something like this earlier so the feeling of
> deja-vu is real.  But when it comes down to the bottom line, you gotta
> face the facts.
>
> Lately I've been doing some soul searching and realize I just want basic
> transport at minimal cost.  The mass of 600pounds being lugged around
> every to do my rounds is too much.  This combined with the fact that I'm
> on instalments for 3 more years has led me to sell the PC.  I want a
> cheaper ride.  I've already gotten a buyer and he's going to view the
> bike again sometime later this week.  Should be able to sell it to him.
> He should be happy because he'll get the detachable stereo, new
> Metzelers, two front seats, Monokey rack and tax/insurance till Jan 99.
> Pictures of my stereo are on the Netherlands site for those who want to
> follow the layout.
>
> My next ride will probably be a Kawasaki Zephyr750.  Four and a half
> year old specimens going for a third the price of my PC.  Imagine...30%
> the price only.  Can pay in cash and no more instalments!  (Those of you
> in the financial sector will know Asia is very much in an economic
> crisis)  Interestingly, the Kawa has 68hp,440 pounds as opposed to the
> PC's 52 horses,600 pounds.  So I'll still be able to go touring and long
> rides, just in less comfort and flashyness.  I've proudly stood at a
> distance and watched newly weds pose beside my bike for photo shoots
> (without my permission).  Cagers gawk at the trunk and even tourists
> seem to look in admiration of the sleek steed I own.  I felt proud and
> happy.  But the fact is, to go touring, I only need the horses and a
> decent windsheild.  Boxes can be added on and a Scottoiler can be
> installed to oil the chain.
>
> Many thanks to the patient who answered my enquiries and sometimes
> misguided questions. If any of you do come to Singapore, please drop me
> a line on the net and I'll be glad to meet up, show you around and
> answer any questions about Singapore. Sad to go, but when to bank
> account says so, I go.  Will unsubscribe in a week, just as I finalise
> the details of the sale to the next owner.  Will direct him to this
> group if he has email.
>
> Yu Seung from Singapore,  '95 Black, Blasting and now Weeping
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:56:57 -0800
From: frans klaus <Frans.Klaus@net.HCC.nl>
To: Jim Randall <jrandall@tricon.net>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: PC Review

Jim Randall wrote (in a bigger issue):
> I routinely have strangers approach me and tell me how nice looking > bike my '95 PC is. Of course, as all the other list members will attest, that's because it is one of the black ones - they all agree that black is the best looking color!

Jim, that is bullshit, and you know it. You only have to browse the last
months to see that the red is the most beautiful, or the white, or
whatever one may have. There was definitively NO agreement on the black.
For myself I doe not have a preference, it could be green with purple
lowers, as long as it is a PC800.
You may find black the most beautiful, but don't bother the others with
your opinion!

Happy riding,

frans
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From: nsimmons@manu.com
To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:56:38 +0000
Subject: PC800: Tyres or as some say tires


At the risk of being inundated with contradictory answers, could I have
some help on tyres/tires.  In the UK the 80 profile rear is not readily
available (the PC was not officially imported) whereas the 90 section is.
Is there a real / imaginary problem with the 90 section.

I am currently running Metzlers front and rear and would agree that the
wear seems to kill the tyres in 7 / 8,000 miles.  ML2s seem the normal
option.  Don't forget that the weather here can go from snow through rain
to sun in the course of a morning (typically, rain is a goood average) so
all weather performance is very important.

I have also seen suggestions that tyre pressures shoulld be as high as 36 /
44 which is much higher than the Honda suggested pressures.  How does this
alter the handling?

Thanks in advance

Neville


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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:39:28 -0500
From: Jason <crazyapple@ibm.net>
To: Frans.Klaus@net.HCC.nl
CC: Jim Randall <jrandall@tricon.net>, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: PC Review

Whoa, there, Sparky.

It's been a long-established list practice to tout your specific PC
color, be it black, pearl, red, RED, teal, or whatever else may be out
there.  It's done in jest and typically people will respond with
creative one-upmanship.


frans klaus wrote:

> <deleted>
> frans
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From: "Prince, Roger" <RPrince@imps0014.us.dg.com>
To: "'Paul B. Atkins'" <patkins@mari.net>, pc 800 list <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: PC800: 96 pc 800
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:49:26 -0500

I just found out Honda has given the dealers a $1500.00 rebate on the
1996 PC800.  From previous messages it appears the same is true on the
'97.  I didn't ask since I am only interested in the '96.

Roger


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Paul B. Atkins [SMTP:patkins@mari.net]
> 
> Hey folks.
> I visited my local friendly Honda Dealer and found out about some
> "new" 
> 96 PC's for sale with an asking price of 5800. 
> This would be a new bike with warranty etc. "right out of the box". 
> Reactions/advice would be appreciate regarding the price, the 96 year 
> bikes, etc.
> 
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To: Frans.Klaus@net.HCC.nl
Cc: jrandall@tricon.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:15:38 -0800
Subject: Re: PC800: PC Review
From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy)


Richard Hardy, San Diego
rahardy@juno.com
Frans,

Jim can bother me with his opinion any time he wants, so don't presume to
speak for me.  But, more importantly, lighten up, and you might have a
better chance of recognizing a  "come-on" when you see it.  You took that
bait hook, line and sinker.

Richard Hardy, San Diego
rahardy@juno.com


>Jim, that is bullshit, and you know it. You only have to browse the 
>last
>months to see that the red is the most beautiful, or the white, or
>whatever one may have. There was definitively NO agreement on the 
>black.
>For myself I doe not have a preference, it could be green with purple
>lowers, as long as it is a PC800.
>You may find black the most beautiful, but don't bother the others 
>with
>your opinion!
>
>Happy riding,
>
>frans

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From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com
To: Frans.Klaus@net.HCC.nl, rahardy@juno.com
Cc: jrandall@tricon.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: RE: PC800: PC Review
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:28:37 -0800

I thought Frans' post was tongue in cheek also (No, not like Clinton!  I
meant lighthearted.)  It is difficult to tell in writing when you cannot
see the twinkle of an eye or a slight ill-hidden smirk...

The fact is that we all KNOW that YELLOW is the very best.   Sigh.   I
wish they had made one.

Todd Vierheller
Seattle, Washington
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> Sent: 	Thursday, February 12, 1998 1:15 PM
> To: 	Frans.Klaus@net.HCC.nl
> Cc: 	jrandall@tricon.net; pc800@hpc.uh.edu
> Subject: 	Re: PC800: PC Review
> 
> 
> Richard Hardy, San Diego
> rahardy@juno.com
> Frans,
> 
> Jim can bother me with his opinion any time he wants, so don't presume
> to
> speak for me.  But, more importantly, lighten up, and you might have a
> better chance of recognizing a  "come-on" when you see it.  You took
> that
> bait hook, line and sinker.
> 
> Richard Hardy, San Diego
> rahardy@juno.com
> 
> 
> >Jim, that is bullshit, and you know it. You only have to browse the 
> >last
> >months to see that the red is the most beautiful, or the white, or
> >whatever one may have. There was definitively NO agreement on the 
> >black.
> >For myself I doe not have a preference, it could be green with purple
> >lowers, as long as it is a PC800.
> >You may find black the most beautiful, but don't bother the others 
> >with
> >your opinion!
> >
> >Happy riding,
> >
> >frans
> 
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:33:51 -0800
From: frans klaus <Frans.Klaus@net.HCC.nl>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Directionals

Hello list,

Although the system working the directionals is no doubt very ingenious,
it is definitely not what I want. I like the way they worked on my
former bikes: push to the left for lefthanders, the other way for
righthanders, and push it back to the middle after the turn. My dealer
tells me that it is not possible to eliminate the automatic system while
still being able to use the directionals. Is there anyone out there who
can help me? Of course this is not normal, but maybe I'm a bit of a
weirdo? My car is on manual operation in this department also (just like
al my previous cars); the mechanism being put out of order either by me
or by the dealer. I just prefer it that way.

Hoping for an answer,
frans
PC800 '89 (white, of course)
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From: "Turner, Andrew R (Andy)" <turnear@texaco.com>
To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: PC800: PC Review-Colour hang ups and Buying a PC800
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:25:05 -0600

Colour Hangups

I totally agree with Jason that the reply by Franz was a trifle over =
the top
and tactless to say the least especially when it was clearly obvious to =
all
but Neanderthal man that he was perfectly correct.

Buying A used PC800

I presently ride a GSX1100G'93 in Silver/Bronze (The best colour as =
everyone
knows)....!!!!! and I am looking to buy a PC800.  I have arranged a =
test
ride at my local dealers who have one in at the moment which is a @93 =
with
43000 miles on it asking price is =A34000 ($6520).  I would be most =
grateful
if members on the list can advise me what to look for in a machine of =
this
age and mileage and if there are any weak spots in a PC800 that could =
be
costly to fix.  I have no experience of these bikes and neither has the
dealer as they are as rare as rocking horse shit over in the UK.  I am
offshore until next Wednesday so any replies can either put through the =
list
or to my Company E-Mail and after Wednesday on my Home E-Mail.

Many thanks in advance for your help.  If you think it would be worth
visiting the USA and bringing one back please let me know and also of =
any
problems or contacts that you might have.

regards
Andy R Turner
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From: "Karen and Tom" <malcolm@redsuspenders.com>
To: "pacific coast owners group" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: RE:tyres??
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:38:17 -0500



Put a 90 series tire on the front of my PC a couple of years ago. =
Believe it was an IRC. Appeared at first that everything would work out =
just fine, no clearance problems. At speed there definitely was a =
problem. The tire grew just enough to rub on the fender. The fender got =
hot enough to melt. All this happened during a poker run so I ended up =
removing the fender and finished the run. The next day I ordered a =
proper Dunlop.

Tom Boynton(89 PC)
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:49:46 -0600
From: Mike Ver Velde <m.vervelde@MCI2000.com>
Subject: PC800: Fw: Tinted Shields
To: PC800 List <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>


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From: Rick Marlin <rick@modernworld.com>
To: Mike Ver Velde <m.vervelde@mci2000.com>
Date: Thursday, February 12, 1998 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: Tinted Shields


Mike:=20
Thanks for the E!=20

Do you mind if I post you letter on our web page?  Thanks...=20

With regard to tinted shield inserts, we have two new ones coming by the =
end of the month.  We will have a smoke tint (too dark for night use) =
and a really nice Amber (available now).  The neat thing about the Amber =
insert is that it is perfect for day & night use!=20

Future projects include an insert that changes from light to dark when =
exposed to UV light!  Not available till next Spring.=20

Let me know if you are interested in our Amber insert and thanks for the =
nice comments.=20

Mike Ver Velde wrote:=20

     I have used the clear sheild on my Shoei helment the past few =
months with great results.  I commute to work on my motorcycle- leaving =
when it is dark, coming home at sunset.  Since my commute is generally 1 =
1/2 hours (Central Valley in CA to the Bay area with all the fog...), by =
the time the sun comes up an hour into my commute, I am blindened by the =
rising sun.  I wear glasses, so changing to sunglasses doesnt work. I =
noticed that you have a Tinted Fog City sheild that a report indicated =
that it was light enough to see through safely when it is a bit dark.  I =
have seeked a sheild that has shade on the top portion of the sheild =
with no luck.  wondering if your tinted sheild will do the trick? =
Thanks.Mike Ver Veldem.vervelde@mci2000.com=20
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From: Jim Randall <jrandall@tricon.net>
To: "'pohys@singnet.com.sg'" <pohys@singnet.com.sg>
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Subject: RE: PC800: sad to go
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:20:45 -0500

Yu Seung, it's okay to visit with us even if you don't own a PC. 
I've enjoyed your comments - best of luck!

Jim Randall
jrandall@tricon.net

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Sent:	Thursday, February 12, 1998 9:16 AM
To:	pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject:	PC800: sad to go

Hi Gang, I did write something like this earlier so the feeling of
deja-vu is real.  But when it comes down to the bottom line, you gotta
face the facts.

Lately I've been doing some soul searching and realize I just want basic
transport at minimal cost.  The mass of 600pounds being lugged around
every to do my rounds is too much.  This combined with the fact that I'm
on instalments for 3 more years has led me to sell the PC.  I want a
cheaper ride.  I've already gotten a buyer and he's going to view the
bike again sometime later this week.  Should be able to sell it to him. 
He should be happy because he'll get the detachable stereo, new
Metzelers, two front seats, Monokey rack and tax/insurance till Jan 99. 
Pictures of my stereo are on the Netherlands site for those who want to
follow the layout.

My next ride will probably be a Kawasaki Zephyr750.  Four and a half
year old specimens going for a third the price of my PC.  Imagine...30%
the price only.  Can pay in cash and no more instalments!  (Those of you
in the financial sector will know Asia is very much in an economic
crisis)  Interestingly, the Kawa has 68hp,440 pounds as opposed to the
PC's 52 horses,600 pounds.  So I'll still be able to go touring and long
rides, just in less comfort and flashyness.  I've proudly stood at a
distance and watched newly weds pose beside my bike for photo shoots
(without my permission).  Cagers gawk at the trunk and even tourists
seem to look in admiration of the sleek steed I own.  I felt proud and
happy.  But the fact is, to go touring, I only need the horses and a
decent windsheild.  Boxes can be added on and a Scottoiler can be
installed to oil the chain.

Many thanks to the patient who answered my enquiries and sometimes
misguided questions. If any of you do come to Singapore, please drop me
a line on the net and I'll be glad to meet up, show you around and
answer any questions about Singapore. Sad to go, but when to bank
account says so, I go.  Will unsubscribe in a week, just as I finalise
the details of the sale to the next owner.  Will direct him to this
group if he has email.

Yu Seung from Singapore,  '95 Black, Blasting and now Weeping

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From: Jim Randall <jrandall@tricon.net>
To: "'Frans.Klaus@net.HCC.nl'" <Frans.Klaus@net.HCC.nl>
Cc: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: PC800: PC Review
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:44:28 -0500

It was an attempt at "humor" Frans - I'm sorry if the intent was=20
lost on you. Perhaps your retort is also delivered with a twinkle=20
of the eye too and if so then shame on me - I missed it.
=20
In truth I really don't much care what color bike others ride but=20
I do derive some degree of perverted pleasure in making a comment=20
every now and then which provokes comment from the good folks=20
in this somewhat, shall we say, "reserved" forum.

Jim Randall
jrandall@tricon.net

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From:	frans klaus [SMTP:Frans.Klaus@net.HCC.nl]
Sent:	Thursday, February 12, 1998 8:57 PM
To:	Jim Randall
Cc:	pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject:	Re: PC800: PC Review

Jim Randall wrote (in a bigger issue):
> I routinely have strangers approach me and tell me how nice looking > =
bike my '95 PC is. Of course, as all the other list members will attest, =
that's because it is one of the black ones - they all agree that black =
is the best looking color!

Jim, that is bullshit, and you know it. You only have to browse the last
months to see that the red is the most beautiful, or the white, or
whatever one may have. There was definitively NO agreement on the black.
For myself I doe not have a preference, it could be green with purple
lowers, as long as it is a PC800.
You may find black the most beautiful, but don't bother the others with
your opinion!

Happy riding,

frans=00=00
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From: "Prince, Roger" <RPrince@imps0014.us.dg.com>
To: "'Frans.Klaus@net.HCC.nl'" <Frans.Klaus@net.HCC.nl>, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: RE: PC800: Directionals
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:52:06 -0500

Frans,

The turn signal system on PC800s is all electronic.  It would be major
surgery to achieve a manual system.  You can use it in manual mode if
you wish.  Left for left, right for fight and push to cancel.  The only
problem is premature self canceling.  I've just developed the habit of
pushing the button every few seconds to eliminate what I felt to be the
only shortcoming of the system.  I wore out the mechanism on my '90 PC
at 84K miles.

Roger


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	frans klaus [SMTP:Frans.Klaus@net.HCC.nl]
> 
> Although the system working the directionals is no doubt very
> ingenious,
> it is definitely not what I want. I like the way they worked on my
> former bikes: push to the left for lefthanders, the other way for
> righthanders, and push it back to the middle after the turn. My dealer
> tells me that it is not possible to eliminate the automatic system
> while
> still being able to use the directionals. Is there anyone out there
> who
> can help me? Of course this is not normal, but maybe I'm a bit of a
> weirdo? 
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From: "Paul Johannsen" <pauljo@earthlink.net>
To: "pc 800 list" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: 96 pc 800
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 20:17:51 -0500

The '97 PC800 that my local dealership is asking $6995 for suddenly seems
way overpriced, even with less than 3000 miles on the odometer. I intend to
test ride it Saturday, but unless he'll drop $1000 on the price, I don't
think I'll buy it.

Has anyone else heard about this rebate? I'd really like to find out if it
applies to
the '97s because I like the looks of the smaller fender & exposed front
disks. I'd
also like the option of installing that new fork brace that was recently
mentioned.
But I think I'd consider a new '96 at that $5,800 price.

If anyone spots one of these $5800-$6000 bargains anywhere near Connecticut,
I'd sure like to know.

Honda is starting to aggravate me with their pricing on this bike. $8600 for
a '98,
but <$6,000 for a leftover? If it had a new engine or suspension - or even a
wild
new color - yellow maybe ;)  I'd forgive them .

I'm going to ride a Concours also on Saturday (if I can hold up in the 30
degree
temperatures that are forecast). But I think my preference will be the
Pacific Coast -
If I can find one that's priced right.

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From: Prince, Roger <RPrince@imps0014.us.dg.com>
To: 'Paul B. Atkins' <patkins@mari.net>; pc 800 list <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: Thursday, February 12, 1998 1:52 PM
Subject: RE: PC800: 96 pc 800


>I just found out Honda has given the dealers a $1500.00 rebate on the
>1996 PC800.  From previous messages it appears the same is true on the
>'97.  I didn't ask since I am only interested in the '96.
>
>Roger
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Paul B. Atkins [SMTP:patkins@mari.net]
>>
>> Hey folks.
>> I visited my local friendly Honda Dealer and found out about some
>> "new"
>> 96 PC's for sale with an asking price of 5800.
>> This would be a new bike with warranty etc. "right out of the box".
>> Reactions/advice would be appreciate regarding the price, the 96 year
>> bikes, etc.
>>

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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 20:28:23 -0500
From: Jason <Crazyapple@ibm.net>
To: "Turner, Andrew R (Andy)" <turnear@texaco.com>
CC: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: PC Review-Colour hang ups and Buying a PC800

1993?  *Shrug*  Most of us from the US of A have no direct knowledge since the
91-93 were not imported here, although I'm sure a few have made it.  Common
sense suggests that since the '90 and '94 were almost identical that the 91, 92,
93 are the same as well.

I paid $4500 for a well equipped 94 with about 12,000 miles on it.  This price
would appear to be better than many, but I've seen a number of deals across the
list that have surpassed it.
The cost of $6520 for one with 43,000 _miles_ seems very high, but I have no
idea what costs are in the UK.

Testing it is fairly easy.  The ride should be extremely smooth and even across
the whole power band.  Check for any fluid leaks and open the fuel receiver both
before and after taking it out.  See if it smells much more strongly of gasoline
afterwards.  If it does, that may be indicative of a problem that appears to
never have been 100% satisfactorily resolved on the list.

Try to check the charging system; Stator problems were one of the only issues of
difficulty with the bike, though they appear to be mostly associated with the
89's.

What color is it?  :)
Turner, Andrew R (Andy) wrote:

> Buying A used PC800



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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 20:31:30 -0500
From: Jason <Crazyapple@ibm.net>
To: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com
CC: Frans.Klaus@net.HCC.nl, rahardy@juno.com, jrandall@tricon.net,
        pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: PC Review

If your interested, there have been a number of yellow PC 800's that I've
seen online.  The Taxi-PC and more recently a URL was posted for a PC that
was (I believe) in Australia that was also yellow.  Alas, they were not
original Honda colors.

The post may have been as you say, but it could do without the profanity.

todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com wrote:

> I thought Frans' post was tongue in cheek also (No, not like Clinton!  I
> meant lighthearted.)  It is difficult to tell in writing when you cannot
> see the twinkle of an eye or a slight ill-hidden smirk...
>
> The fact is that we all KNOW that YELLOW is the very best.   Sigh.   I
> wish they had made one.



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From: "Prince, Roger" <RPrince@imps0014.us.dg.com>
To: "'Paul Johannsen'" <pauljo@earthlink.net>,
        pc 800 list
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Subject: RE: PC800: 96 pc 800
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:50:54 -0500

Paul,

Call Cycle Design in Phillipston, MA, at 1-508-249-2244 or
1-800-343-1374.
Where in CT are you?  Phillipston is just east of I91.  I have a '96 on
order from them.

Roger


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Paul Johannsen [SMTP:pauljo@earthlink.net]
> 
> The '97 PC800 that my local dealership is asking $6995 for suddenly
> seems
> way overpriced, even with less than 3000 miles on the odometer. I
> intend to
> test ride it Saturday, but unless he'll drop $1000 on the price, I
> don't
> think I'll buy it.
> 
> Has anyone else heard about this rebate? I'd really like to find out
> if it
> applies to
> the '97s because I like the looks of the smaller fender & exposed
> front
> disks. I'd
> also like the option of installing that new fork brace that was
> recently
> mentioned.
> But I think I'd consider a new '96 at that $5,800 price.
> 
> If anyone spots one of these $5800-$6000 bargains anywhere near
> Connecticut,
> I'd sure like to know.
> 
> Honda is starting to aggravate me with their pricing on this bike.
> $8600 for
> a '98,
> but <$6,000 for a leftover? If it had a new engine or suspension - or
> even a
> wild
> new color - yellow maybe ;)  I'd forgive them .
> 
> I'm going to ride a Concours also on Saturday (if I can hold up in the
> 30
> degree
> temperatures that are forecast). But I think my preference will be the
> Pacific Coast -
> If I can find one that's priced right.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Prince, Roger <RPrince@imps0014.us.dg.com>
> To: 'Paul B. Atkins' <patkins@mari.net>; pc 800 list
> <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
> Date: Thursday, February 12, 1998 1:52 PM
> Subject: RE: PC800: 96 pc 800
> 
> 
> >I just found out Honda has given the dealers a $1500.00 rebate on the
> >1996 PC800.  From previous messages it appears the same is true on
> the
> >'97.  I didn't ask since I am only interested in the '96.
> >
> >Roger
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Paul B. Atkins [SMTP:patkins@mari.net]
> >>
> >> Hey folks.
> >> I visited my local friendly Honda Dealer and found out about some
> >> "new"
> >> 96 PC's for sale with an asking price of 5800.
> >> This would be a new bike with warranty etc. "right out of the box".
> >> Reactions/advice would be appreciate regarding the price, the 96
> year
> >> bikes, etc.
> >>
> 
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From: mashaw@mindspring.com (Monty Shaw)
To: "A.T. Green" <atg@technologist.com>, PC800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Colors
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 04:52:44 GMT

>From "A.T. Green" <atg@technologist.com>
Fri, 6 Feb 1998 21:54:20 -0800
See my comments in/after your email. - ]Monty[

"Question for all '94/'95 owners....
"
"My PC is my first bike. After having had it a while now and 5K miles, I
"think that I'd rather have a more visible bike than black. What do you all
"think of this?
"
"Does it ever creep you out that you are less visible on black?
"
"Just a thought...
"

Hey, the PC is my first bike, too. Except I got a nice pearl
white (as in visible) '89 PC. :o)

]Monty[
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:07:55 -0800
From: Alan Taylor <ka2wij@earthlink.net>
To: Frans.Klaus@net.HCC.nl
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Directionals

> Hello list,
>
> Although the system working the directionals is no doubt very ingenious,
> it is definitely not what I want. I like the way they worked on my
> former bikes: push to the left for lefthanders, the other way for
> righthanders, and push it back to the middle after the turn. My dealer
> tells me that it is not possible to eliminate the automatic system while
> still being able to use the directionals. Is there anyone out there who
> can help me?

Dear Frans,

electrically, it's a fairly simple job, requiring some hook up wire, tap
splices, electrical tape (for your climate i suggest Scotch Brand #33) and
an auto turn signal relay.

Mechanically, you're talking about a much more complex bit of work to expose
the wiring you need to tie into, and creating a path for the new wiring.

If you want to attemp it, I can furnish you a wiring diagram,  and the name
of a therapist in your area. It's your right to be crazy, but i can't help
noticing it.

Alan Taylor
95 PC 800 Midnight
Long Beach, CA

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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:22:25 -0800
From: Alan Taylor <ka2wij@earthlink.net>
To: mashaw@mindspring.com
CC: "A.T. Green" <atg@technologist.com>, PC800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Colors

>
>
> "Question for all '94/'95 owners....
> "
> "My PC is my first bike. After having had it a while now and 5K miles, I
> "think that I'd rather have a more visible bike than black. What do you all
> "think of this?
> "
> "Does it ever creep you out that you are less visible on black?
> "
> "Just a thought...
> "
>

Not really. I think the reflectivity of the gloss black, especially when kept
polished, makes it about equal to the 89 and 90 for visibility, and is actually
more visible in fog, where the 89 disappears.

I have wired my rear turn signals into the tail light to increase visibility,
but i'd have done that regardless of the model.

You always have the option of adding a high tail light, reflective tape,
California Neon, or wearing bright colored clothes.

If it's something you are concerned about, then by all means make use of those
options. Being confident is more important in my mind than the difference in
visibility between the colors.

Alan Taylor
95 PC 800 Midnight
Long Beach, CA

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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:31:39 -0600
From: Mike Ver Velde <m.vervelde@MCI2000.com>
Subject: PC800: Kimpex Grip Heaters
To: PC800 List <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
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Here's my report on the Kimpex Grip Heaters that I bought thru =
Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse (snowmobile section) for $16.95.

Designed for snowmobiles, the directions were too.  Thanks to some of =
you who responded with advice on how to translate snowmobile =
instructions to the PC- I got it on and working.  Real simple set up. A =
Report was done on it in the Motorcycle Consumer News Jan 98 issue.=20

Bottom line- THEY WORK GREAT!  Simple to set up once you figure out how =
to do it. The switch part is a little big, so I decided to put it on the =
left storage box lid on the lower part. Wires go thru the hole on the =
bottom of the box.  (my electric vest plug in- the John Deere plug- is =
right below that in the dash.)  Has HI/OFF/LOW switch. Since the grip =
heater is on the plastic throttle on the right handlebar, it heats up =
faster than the left. but within 5 minutes- both are even.  This way, I =
did not have to remove much plastic. (handlebar covers, L duct vent, L =
side panel, Rider Seat).

Used it 3 times so far this week- twice in the morning,(high 30's/low =
40's)  once at night.(mid 40's) AHHHHH they're nice.  With winter gloves =
on, the LOW setting was perfect.  With mid weight gloves, HI kept my =
hands real warm when it was chilly out.  Nice thing about them is you =
can put on any kind of grips of your choice.  I put on the Pro Grip gel =
grips.  Better than the stock. I thought of the foam grips- but it was =
reported that it took longer to heat up due to the insulative effect. =
Heck, thought I'd go this way at this time.

Got to admit, at $16.95, you can't go wrong here.  I liked this option =
than having my arms wired (even though they are designed to keep the =
tops of the hand warm). My primary problem before was the tips of my =
fingers were freezing this past winter. These grips take care of it very =
well.  If anyone gets these and wonder what changes I made to the =
directions (with helpful advice from others who did similar things with =
their heated grips) I could type them up sometime and send them to you.

Adios
Mike V
89 "Moose"
Stockton, CA

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too.&nbsp;=20
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instructions to the PC- I got it on and working.&nbsp; Real simple set =
up. A=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Bottom line- THEY WORK GREAT!&nbsp; Simple to set up =
once you=20
figure out how to do it. The switch part is a little big, so I decided =
to put it=20
on the left storage box lid on the lower part. Wires go thru the hole on =
the=20
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is=20
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did not=20
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panel, Rider=20
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morning,(high=20
30's/low 40's)&nbsp; once at night.(mid 40's) AHHHHH they're nice.&nbsp; =
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winter gloves on, the LOW setting was perfect.&nbsp; With mid weight =
gloves, HI=20
kept my hands <U>real warm</U> when it was chilly out.&nbsp; Nice thing =
about=20
them is you can put on any kind of grips of your choice.&nbsp; I put on =
the Pro=20
Grip gel grips.&nbsp; Better than the stock. I thought of the foam =
grips- but it=20
was reported that it took longer to heat up due to the insulative =
effect. Heck,=20
thought I'd go this way at this time.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Got to admit, at $16.95, you can't go wrong =
here.&nbsp; I=20
liked this option than having my arms wired (even though they are =
designed to=20
keep the tops of the hand warm). My primary problem before was the tips =
of my=20
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well.&nbsp; If anyone gets these and wonder what changes I made to the=20
directions (with helpful advice from others who did similar things with =
their=20
heated grips) I could type them up sometime and send them to =
you.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>89 &quot;Moose&quot;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Stockton, CA</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 01:55:57 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Directionals

Hi, Frans:

You can use the turn signals manually just like on any other Honda.  Switch
left for left signal; switch right for right signel; push switch in to cancel.

If you really want to disable the automatic cancelling feature ( I can't
imagine why you would), all you have to do is to disconnect the connector to
the speed sensor.  This connector is located at the back of the speedometer
just above where the speedometer cable enters.  If you disconnect this sensor,
the system thinks the bike is standing still and will leave the signal
flashing until you cancel it manually.

JT
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From: timmacy@juno.com
 by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id CtK06609; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 02:04:04 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:57:32 -0800
Subject: Re: PC800: Directionals

On Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:33:51 -0800 frans klaus <Frans.Klaus@net.HCC.nl>
writes:
>Although the system working the directionals is no doubt very ingenious,
it is >definitely not what I want. I like the way they worked on my
former bikes: push to >the left for lefthanders, the other way for
righthanders, and push it back to the >middle after the turn. 

Hmmm, could we be talking "Beemer" here?

>My dealer tells me that it is not possible to eliminate the automatic
system while
>still being able to use the directionals. Is there anyone out there who
can help >me?

Well, you can actually bypass the whole system. Just stick your left arm
straight out for left turns and crook it @ a 90-degree angle with your
hand pointing towards the heavens for a right turn.

Now, if using the automatic lighting system for alerting those behind you
of your impending stops is far too techie for you, Frans, you can also
use your left arm as a viable substitute for those annoying "red" stop
lanterns by pointing said left arm downward instead of skyward!    

>Of course this is not normal, but maybe I'm a bit of a weirdo? 

Oh, puleese, Frans, don't EVEN leave yourself as wide open for comments
as you have here! People who know me KNOW that I'm having a hard time
suppressing my natural urges at this juncture.....!       :-}}

Tim Macy
Portland, OR
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From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:25:46 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Directionals

Hi, Tim:

You don't think anybody actually remembers what those hand signals mean any
more; do you?  I tried them not long ago just to see what would happen.
Mostly I got a lot of waves and weird looks.  I don't think one in ten had a
clue about what I was doing; and within that group, the women all had "Q-tip"
hair with a slight blue tint, and the men all had long noses, big ears, and
were wearing a hat. :)  (I haven't started wearing a hat yet, at least not in
my car, but soon . . . .)

JT
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:37:50 -0500
From: "Gordon B. Frank" <gfrank@ibm.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
CC: StZim <czimmer@notes.cc.bellcore.com>
Subject: PC800: March 4 - 8 camping Daytona area

Hi gang!
 Anyone have any contacts or suggestions for camping at Daytona Bike
week?  I've been on the phone to campgrounds around Daytona and the
following is the typical answer from one of them.  Anyone in the area
have a backyard we could use for 4 nights?
 Thanks for your help.
Gordon.
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> Gordon B. Frank wrote:
> >
> > Hi - Do you have space for two Honda Bikers - two tents - for March 4 - 8th?
> > How much and do you take reservations?
> > thanks for your help.  Gordon Frank  770-390-0521
------
HI FRANK,
> WE HAVE CLOSED ALL RESERVATIONS FOR BIKE WEEK. WE ONLY HAVE OVERFLOW
> ARE AVAILABLE WHICH WILL BE OPEN FROM 2/25/98.
> COME TO GATE FIRST COME FIRST SERVE. 7 NIGHTS FOR 1 OR 2 PERSONS .
> $150.00=TAX 15.00 FOR THE 7 NIGHTS.
> THANK YOU JCAPORALE
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From: "Turner, Andrew R (Andy)" <turnear@texaco.com>
To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: FW: PC800: March 4 - 8 camping Daytona area
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:00:08 -0600

Gordon,
I travelled over from here in the UK to Daytona a couple of Years ago(96)
and stayed just north of main street in one of the best Western Hotels.  I
noticed alot of the locals rent out there Gardens as parking space but how
safe your stuff would be is another question.  You should have alot of fun
over there if the weather holds out.  When I was there it absolutely poured
with rain and was very windy so much so that all the racing was cancelled.
You just have to see all the SHOOTER girls especially in a bar called THE
BANK on main street and a visit to Sharks bar is a must at leat once a
night.
Have a great time.  I only wish I was going back again myself except I will
be out here in the North Sea freezing my C*$K off again.

regards
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> Sent: 	13 February 1998 13:37
> To: 	pc800@hpc.uh.edu
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> Subject: 	PC800: March 4 - 8 camping Daytona area
> 
> Hi gang!
>  Anyone have any contacts or suggestions for camping at Daytona Bike
> week?  I've been on the phone to campgrounds around Daytona and the
> following is the typical answer from one of them.  Anyone in the area
> have a backyard we could use for 4 nights?
>  Thanks for your help.
> Gordon.
> ---
> NOVA FAMILY CAMPGROUND wrote:
> > Gordon B. Frank wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi - Do you have space for two Honda Bikers - two tents - for March 4
> - 8th?
> > > How much and do you take reservations?
> > > thanks for your help.  Gordon Frank  770-390-0521
> ------
> HI FRANK,
> > WE HAVE CLOSED ALL RESERVATIONS FOR BIKE WEEK. WE ONLY HAVE OVERFLOW
> > ARE AVAILABLE WHICH WILL BE OPEN FROM 2/25/98.
> > COME TO GATE FIRST COME FIRST SERVE. 7 NIGHTS FOR 1 OR 2 PERSONS .
> > $150.00=TAX 15.00 FOR THE 7 NIGHTS.
> > THANK YOU JCAPORALE
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:01:11 -0500
From: "David J. Fial" <fialdj@erols.com>
To: motolist@micapeak.com, pc800 listserv <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: [Fwd: anti-fog for windshields]

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:59:50 -0500
From: "David J. Fial" <fialdj@erols.com>
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: anti-fog for windshields

What is a good product to use on the plastic windshield of my Venture to
reduce fogging?

thanks, Dave

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From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com
To: luvadot@sprynet.com
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: RE: PC800: PC Review
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 07:20:11 -0800

I meant it.   Yellow is my favorite motorcycle color.   I think it looks
the best.   So far my bikes have been blue (Honda CM450E), red (Honda
Pacific Coast), and Blue (BMW R1100RT).  Go figure.   I am a function
over form type of guy.  (Else I would own the gorgeous yellow/black
Valkyrie.)   But, I noticed a yellow BMW 1200C at my Beemer dealer and
found out that they custom painted it.   Hmmmmm.    A yellow R1100RT
would be nice....    Maybe someday I'll have the money to make that a
reality.

Todd Vierheller
Seattle, Washington
Y2K Core Team
todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com
(206) 233-6218

PS.  I loved your web site.  We certainly share an interest in your
first link (I'm a lifer).   I intend to explore the third link more
fully.   The second link has moved.   Cute cats!

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> Sent: 	Thursday, February 12, 1998 2:39 PM
> To: 	todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com
> Subject: 	RE: PC800: PC Review
> 
> hi,
> 
> do not know if you mean it or not ... but we would love a yellow pc
> ... talk 
> about eye catching ...
> 
> have a nice weekend....
> 
> bob of
> bob and grace parker
> http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/luvadot
> 
> On Thu, 12 Feb 1998, todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com wrote:
> >The fact is that we all KNOW that YELLOW is the very best.   Sigh.
> I
> >wish they had made one.
> >
> 
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From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, timmacy@juno.com
Subject: RE: PC800: Directionals
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 07:27:33 -0800


> On Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:33:51 -0800 frans klaus
> <Frans.Klaus@net.HCC.nl>
> writes:
> >Although the system working the directionals is no doubt very
> ingenious,
> it is >definitely not what I want. I like the way they worked on my
> former bikes: push to >the left for lefthanders, the other way for
> righthanders, and push it back to the >middle after the turn. 
> 
> Tim Macy writes
> "Hmmm, could we be talking "Beemer" here?"
> 
	The beemer actually has three separate turn signal switches.
The left hand push-forward to turn on the left turn signal, the
right-forward push to signal a right turn, and a button pushed up by the
right thumb to cancel both .

Tim Macy also writes:
> Well, you can actually bypass the whole system. Just stick your left
> arm
> straight out for left turns and crook it @ a 90-degree angle with your
> hand pointing towards the heavens for a right turn.
> 
> Now, if using the automatic lighting system for alerting those behind
> you
> of your impending stops is far too techie for you, Frans, you can also
> use your left arm as a viable substitute for those annoying "red" stop
> lanterns by pointing said left arm downward instead of skyward!    
> 
Oh, you meant HARLEYS!   This is definitely the Harley-Davidson turn
signal system.   It is easy to distinguish from a wave, because Harley
riders will not wave back at you.   (Actually, one did once and I almost
fell off of my bike!)

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From: "Robert Coulter" <robertc@en.com>
To: "Mike Ver Velde" <m.vervelde@MCI2000.com>, "PC800 List" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Fw: Tinted Shields
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 11:17:13 -0500




-----Original Message-----
    From: Mike Ver Velde <m.vervelde@MCI2000.com>
    To: PC800 List <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
    Date: Thursday, February 12, 1998 6:58 PM
    Subject: PC800: Fw: Tinted Shields
   =20
   =20
   =20
         Mike,=20
    You may be interested in another option; the "Sundowner", a dark =
strip approx. 1 3/4"  wide which clings to the outside of the faceshield =
and helps block sun glare.  You can reposition it by peeling it off and =
reapplying it.  I haven't used mine much, I had a problem getting it =
positioned correctly because I don't like to ride with the shield all =
the way down on my full-face helmet.  As I recall, they were only about =
$3.00 each and I thought it was worth a try.  I bought ours at a rally =
when I purchased a sheepskin for my PC.  I got them from:  Comfort Line, =
4340 Old St. Rd. 34, Lizton, Indiana 46149.  Telephone 765-676-9196. =20
    Karen Coulter
    '97 PC "Li'l Red"
   =20


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From: Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com
To: robertc@en.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:44:26 -0600
Subject: Re: PC800: Fw: Tinted Shields


Karen is the Sundowner attached by suction cups?

I have a similar device that I purchased at a cycle race in Brainerd, MN
about 10 years ago. It is about 1 3/4' wide and 7' in length with three
suction cups attached to it, one in the middle and one on each end. This
would hold the black plastic piece about 3/8' to 1/2' from my shield. I
used to have the info on who sold it but have misplaced it over the years.
Let me tell you that this thing works great for when the sun is low.

If anyone is interested I could take more exact mearsurements and post
them.

I also have read or heard of somebody using black electrical tape on the
shield to block the sun.

Later
Roger




         Mike,
    You may be interested in another option; the "Sundowner", a dark strip
approx. 1 3/4"  wide which clings to the outside of the faceshield and
helps block sun glare.  You can reposition it by peeling it off and
reapplying it.  I haven't used mine much, I had a problem getting it
positioned correctly because I don't like to ride with the shield all the
way down on my full-face helmet.  As I recall, they were only about $3.00
each and I thought it was worth a try.  I bought ours at a rally when I
purchased a sheepskin for my PC.  I got them from:  Comfort Line, 4340 Old
St. Rd. 34, Lizton, Indiana 46149.  Telephone 765-676-9196.
    Karen Coulter
    '97 PC "Li'l Red"


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Subject: PC800: new bike
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 98 12:54:43 -0600
From: "Paul B. Atkins" <patkins@mari.net>
To: "pc 800 list" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>

Hello.
Thanks to all who advised me during the past week. 
This morning, at 10:30 Central Time, I put the deposit down on a 1996 
"new" PC to take delivery at the end of March.
Can't wait to cruise a bit then. Hopefully El Nino will cooperate and we 
will have an early spring up "nort" here....
Paul
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:35:43 -0600
Subject: PC800: Winter


I WANT TO RIDE!!

Thanks I needed that.
Roger


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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:22:09 -0800 (PST)
From: luvadot@sprynet.com (Bob and Grace)
Subject: PC800: international motorcycle show
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

hi ,

does anyone know about the international motorcycle show at the baltimore 
convention center ...feb 13 - 15 ...

would it be worth going to ????

any information would be appreciated ....

:)
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From: "Steve & Diane Scudder " <greyhound@bizgroup.net>
To: "PC800 Listserve" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Modifications, Recommendations.
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 20:22:03 -0500

Hi all,

Just finished adding an alarm w/remote control, priority plus light kit and
HondaLine trunk light kit.
She still only has 63 miles on the odo ( too ccccold to ride ), but what a
HUGH difference the priority plus system makes. FWIW, I would recommend all
of the modifications I've just done. Total investment: $ 127.88 and about 4
hours of my time.
Peace of mind when I'm away from it, while on it and I can actually see
inside the trunk at night w/out the trusty Maglite!
Please, please, please warm up...I want to ride!

Steve Scudder
Grand Rapids, MI
greyhound@bizgroup.net
How could you not love a greyhound?
97 PC800

Ps-Automatic turn signal cancellation? No mention of it in my owners manual.
Is this only on earlier models? I don't want to try it and end up looking
like the proverbial fossil with "permaleft turn signal syndrome".


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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 19:28:52 -0800
From: Gregory Chambers <gpchambers@earthlink.net>
To: Steve & Diane Scudder <greyhound@bizgroup.net>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Modifications, Recommendations.

Steve & Diane Scudder wrote:
> 
>> Ps-Automatic turn signal cancellation? No mention of it in my owners manual.
> Is this only on earlier models? I don't want to try it and end up looking
> like the proverbial fossil with "permaleft turn signal syndrome".
> 
Self-cancelling turn signals were dropped for the 97 model.  Mixed
feelings about them, but I like them on my 96.  What type of alarm did
you put in, and what does the remote do?  I'm in the market.  Thanks.

Greg Chambers
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From: "Mike Whited" <MikeTW@worldnet.att.net>
To: <timmacy@juno.com>, <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Directionals
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 07:47:04 -0500



> 
> On Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:33:51 -0800 frans klaus <Frans.Klaus@net.HCC.nl>
> writes:
> >Although the system working the directionals is no doubt very ingenious,
> it is >definitely not what I want. I like the way they worked on my
> former bikes: push to >the left for lefthanders, the other way for
> righthanders, and push it back to the >middle after the turn. 
> 
> >My dealer tells me that it is not possible to eliminate the automatic
> system while
> >still being able to use the directionals. Is there anyone out there who
> can help >me?

>From what I understand, the self-canceling turnsignals were eliminated on
the 97 (and up?) models.
Now here's an excuse to buy a new one! :-)
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From: "Mike Whited" <MikeTW@worldnet.att.net>
To: <todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com>, <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>, <timmacy@juno.com>
Subject: Re: PC800: Directionals
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 07:58:12 -0500



> Oh, you meant HARLEYS!   This is definitely the Harley-Davidson turn
> signal system.   It is easy to distinguish from a wave, because Harley
> riders will not wave back at you.   (Actually, one did once and I almost
> fell off of my bike!)

Your kidding!
Here in Ohio all the Harley riders wave, 

.......I just wish they'd use all their fingers!!

Mike 
Columbus

' 94 PC
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From: RJ1Fox@aol.com
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:31:46 EST
To: luvadot@sprynet.com
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: international motorcycle show

In a message dated 98-02-13 20:22:11 EST, you write:

<< hi ,
 
 does anyone know about the international motorcycle show at the baltimore 
 convention center ...feb 13 - 15 ...
 
 would it be worth going to ????
 
 any information would be appreciated ....
  >>

The traveling show, which stopped here in Cleveland a couple of weeks ago was
wonderful.  You'll see all the new bikes from all the manufacturers, latest
gear, discounts on accessories and gear, you'll see custom bikes, trailers,
services, local and national clubs (like AMA), magazines like Rider and MCN,
etc.  Really enjoyable and worthwhile.  Don't forget to look up the HSTA booth
to learn of local chapters so you can ride with a great group of people.

Rich
'94 PC "Zoro"
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:06:27 -0500
From: Jason <Crazyapple@ibm.net>
To: Mike Whited <MikeTW@worldnet.att.net>
CC: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, timmacy@juno.com
Subject: Re: PC800: Directionals

heh, That cracked me up.

I ride occasionally with a couple I know and he rides a 95 Harley, she a 96
Shadow 1100.  It's great when the three of us go out, they both have comm
systems, I don't, so I ride in the middle.  Frequently people will wave at one
of them or just me, occasionally a Harley rider will start to nod or wave at
him and promptly stop when they see who he's with.  We drove up to Bennington,
VT last summer and passed through a small Harley rally (100 or so bikes) on
the way.  It was really amusing the reactions we got.

He's also said that in CT where we live many Harley riders won't wave because
he wears a full faced helmet.

On a similar note, my uncle is one of those, "rather my sister in a ... than
on a (non-harley)" people.  When I first showed him my PC he went looking for
his chain (to drag it behind a pickup truck until the PC falls apart).  I told
him that they need to do that with non-harleys because the harley's would just
fall apart immediately and give no enjoyment.  He didn't find it funny at
all.  What he did find interesting was that the PC was a V-Twin.  He started
in with, "I really can't stand those four cylinder engines."  I didn't say
much, but when he started the PC he kept looking around and finally told me
that it was screwed up because all the cylinders weren't firing.  Don't get me
wrong, he's a great guy, he just likes his Harley Davidsons.  A lot.

Mike Whited wrote:

> > Oh, you meant HARLEYS!   This is definitely the Harley-Davidson turn
> > signal system.   It is easy to distinguish from a wave, because Harley
> > riders will not wave back at you.   (Actually, one did once and I almost
> > fell off of my bike!)
>
> Your kidding!
> Here in Ohio all the Harley riders wave,
>
> .......I just wish they'd use all their fingers!!
>



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From: CMS David Shumaker <kd7yd@sprynet.com>
To: "'Bob and Grace'" <luvadot@sprynet.com>,
        "pc800@hpc.uh.edu"
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Subject: RE: PC800: international motorcycle show
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:10:59 -0800

I attended the Cycle World International Motorcycle Show in Seattle.  I 
thought it was worth the time.  It was a good chance to see the new bikes 
from a number of major manufactures.  There were vintage bikes on display 
too.  Also displays of after market products and accessories.  If the show 
in Baltimore is like the one in Seattle you should have a good time.

Enjoy,
Dave
Puyallup, WA
'97 PC800 "Red Pepper"

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From:	Bob and Grace [SMTP:luvadot@sprynet.com]
Sent:	Friday, February 13, 1998 5:22 PM
To:	pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject:	PC800: international motorcycle show

hi ,

does anyone know about the international motorcycle show at the baltimore
convention center ...feb 13 - 15 ...

would it be worth going to ????

any information would be appreciated ....

:)
bob and grace parker
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/luvadot

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:53:11 -0600
From: Steve Wilson <deere@linknet.net>
To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Happy Valentines Day

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loves me.
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From: "Turner, Andrew R (Andy)" <turnear@texaco.com>
To: "'Jason'" <Crazyapple@ibm.net>, "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: PC800: Directionals
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:36:36 -0600

I had a similar experience in Daytona Bike Week in '96.  I was talking to
this guy and said to him how I'd heard in the States that there was a
waiting list for a new Harleys yet here in the UK you can just get one
straight out of a shop as nobody here wants one because they are on par with
an agricultural vehicle.  He was gob smacked, opened his wallet, took out
his business card and with the parting words "give me a call someday and
remind me of this conversation" he disapeared into the night.  Poor chap had
never heard the truth before.

I actually like Harleys myself and think that there is a place for them.
(Parked up on Main St....)

regards
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> From: 	Jason[SMTP:Crazyapple@ibm.net]
> Sent: 	14 February 1998 15:06
> To: 	Mike Whited
> Cc: 	todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com; pc800@hpc.uh.edu; timmacy@juno.com
> Subject: 	Re: PC800: Directionals
> 
> heh, That cracked me up.
> 
> I ride occasionally with a couple I know and he rides a 95 Harley, she a
> 96
> Shadow 1100.  It's great when the three of us go out, they both have comm
> systems, I don't, so I ride in the middle.  Frequently people will wave at
> one
> of them or just me, occasionally a Harley rider will start to nod or wave
> at
> him and promptly stop when they see who he's with.  We drove up to
> Bennington,
> VT last summer and passed through a small Harley rally (100 or so bikes)
> on
> the way.  It was really amusing the reactions we got.
> 
> He's also said that in CT where we live many Harley riders won't wave
> because
> he wears a full faced helmet.
> 
> On a similar note, my uncle is one of those, "rather my sister in a ...
> than
> on a (non-harley)" people.  When I first showed him my PC he went looking
> for
> his chain (to drag it behind a pickup truck until the PC falls apart).  I
> told
> him that they need to do that with non-harleys because the harley's would
> just
> fall apart immediately and give no enjoyment.  He didn't find it funny at
> all.  What he did find interesting was that the PC was a V-Twin.  He
> started
> in with, "I really can't stand those four cylinder engines."  I didn't say
> much, but when he started the PC he kept looking around and finally told
> me
> that it was screwed up because all the cylinders weren't firing.  Don't
> get me
> wrong, he's a great guy, he just likes his Harley Davidsons.  A lot.
> 
> Mike Whited wrote:
> 
> > > Oh, you meant HARLEYS!   This is definitely the Harley-Davidson turn
> > > signal system.   It is easy to distinguish from a wave, because Harley
> > > riders will not wave back at you.   (Actually, one did once and I
> almost
> > > fell off of my bike!)
> >
> > Your kidding!
> > Here in Ohio all the Harley riders wave,
> >
> > .......I just wish they'd use all their fingers!!
> >
> 
> 
> 
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From: "Paul Johannsen" <pauljo@earthlink.net>
To: "PC800 Mailing List" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>,
        "COG Mailing List" <COG@micapeak.com>
Subject: PC800: Concours vs Pacific Coast - Decision reached
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 15:22:49 -0500

Well, it was a cold day here in Connecticut (30's - chill factor @13 degrees).
But I had arranged to test ride the '97 Pacific Coast and the '95 Concours
that Libby's has had for sale. Heck, at least it was sunny... So I gathered up
my riding gear and headed to New Haven.

I asked to ride the PC800 first. I was pretty much convinced that this was
the one for me - I love the concept of that trunk, and I've had great luck with
the water-cooled Honda's that I've owned ('84 Gold Wing, '94 Shadow).
I kinda doubted that I would even want to ride the Kawasaki afterwards.
Bear in mind that I am 6'7" tall and 225 lbs - as I'm sure that has bearing
on my riding experiences today. I rode the PC800 about 20 miles - much
of this on the Interstate. I froze - I'm just too large for the protection
envelope
of the stock PC fairing. I also couldn't move around much because my knees
would hit the fairing before I used up the forward travel of the seat. So there
was
basically one place that I fit (all the way back on the rider's portion of the
seat).
The bike ran smooth - very smooth, but I've always had more power on tap
than this machine has. It did bother me. I tried both top gear roll-ons and
tapping
down a gear or two - just not enough acceleration for me riding solo - with
a passenger and luggage I'm sure it would be even more noticable. I don't
consider myself a speed demon by any means - I ride conservatively most
of the time - but this bike didn't feel responsive enough at highway speeds.
I did enjoy riding a PC800 on the back roads last year - but I didn't like it on
the
Interstate today.

I got back to the dealership, warmed up a bit, then got on the Concours. I
started
over the same Interstate route. This time I felt comfortable - more room to move
around on the seat - and the fairing worked MUCH better for me. Gosh I could
have ridden that thing to Rhode Island & back... I did about 50 miles on the
Connie. Got off of the Interstate and put it over a fairly tight twisty back
road
course. I did have to pass a slow moving car at one point (grin suppressed).
Rode it into downtown Guilford, where I live, and crawled through
Saturday traffic for a mile or two. (OK, I'd prefer the PC800 in downtown
traffic - but I managed it alright with the Connie.) Back to the Interstate -
darn,
guess I have to take this bike back to the dealership. Clear shot for a mile or
so - I opened the throttle in 5th & 6th gear. Yow! Did not go to redline & did
not go much over 90 - I'm not comfortable with triple digit speed. But I did
nudge into grin-from-ear-to-ear territory.

The Connie does have some buzz. It seemed to stay pretty consistent at all
rpms -
maybe a little more noticable at around 4000 rpm. But I didn't experience any
numbing of hands (or anything else) that the magazine reviewers always
complain about. And the horn is AWFUL - sounds like something off of a
Volkswagen Beetle (I forgot to try the horn on the PC800).
All considered, for me - it was the obvious choice. I put a
deposit on it. Now comes the grunge work of securing a little financing and
lining up insurance. One day in early March I should be riding her home.

I got tons of good advice from people on both mailing lists over the past week
or so. The best advice was "ride them both, then decide". And for those lucky
few that have both of these machines in one garage - I envy you!

Paul

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From: "GORDON A. GOLDER" <gag@iserv.net>
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Subject: PC800: Rejoining group after absence
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 14:26:32 -0500



HI:  Gordon Golder in Grand Rapids, MI here.  E-mail address: =
gag@iserv.net.  Riding "Rainbow II" a 1990 Cherry red pc800 with 53000 =
plus miles on it.  Purchased new in 1992.  The only modification is a =
backrest purchased kin Akron last summer when on a trip to Atlanta.  We =
(Rainbow and Gordon) ride about 10000 miles per season.  We were on the =
road a few days ago for a short spin.  El Nino has kept our weather =
rather warm with little snow this winter.

First trip planned for this spring will be to New Orleans, leaving here =
about May 7 with another friend whose wife also refuses to enjoy the =
freedom and elation of traveling by motorcycle.

Happy Val Day!

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From: TedJ101@aol.com
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 04:34:44 EST
To: kd7yd@sprynet.com, luvadot@sprynet.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: international motorcycle show

In a message dated 98-02-14 11:17:35 EST, kd7yd@sprynet.com writes:

<< I attended the Cycle World International Motorcycle Show in Seattle.  I 
 thought it was worth the time.  It was a good chance to see the new bikes 
 from a number of major manufactures.  There were vintage bikes on display 
 too.  Also displays of after market products and accessories.  If the show 
 in Baltimore is like the one in Seattle you should have a good time.
  >>


It's not even close.  We used to get the Cycle World show in Philly.  I went
to it and the Balto show the last year it was here.  No comparison.  The Balto
show is basically a dealer show.  The minute you approach the Cycle World
show, you know you are playing in a different league -- the parking lot is
filled with big rigs from all the major manufacturers (many have mutiple
rigs)...  It's a real industry show.

Regards,
             <TED>
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From: BernieK469@aol.com
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 08:22:40 EST
To: pauljo@earthlink.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, COG@micapeak.com
Subject: Re:  PC800: Concours vs Pacific Coast - Decision reached

Your comparison between the PC and the Concours is very accurate.  The PC 
with the stock saddle and fairing is not a very comfortable bike, while 
the Connie "out of the box" feels like it could make California.  The 
Connie is also a more sophisticated  and quicker machine. But the PC 
equipped with a Corbin Saddle and a Rifle Fairing combines its intrinsic 
smoothness into one of the best light touring machines available.  The PC 
will run forever, while the Connie is noted for developing problems, 
particularly seal leaks.  Enjoy your Connie.  You will love it.  

Bernie   
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From: "Robert Coulter" <robertc@en.com>
To: <Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com>, <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Fw: Tinted Shields
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 08:54:33 -0500


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From: Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com <Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com>
To: robertc@en.com <robertc@en.com>; pc800@hpc.uh.edu <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: Friday, February 13, 1998 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: PC800: Fw: Tinted Shields


>
>Karen is the Sundowner attached by suction cups?
>
>I have a similar device that I purchased at a cycle race in Brainerd, MN
>about 10 years ago. It is about 1 3/4' wide and 7' in length with three
>suction cups attached to it, one in the middle and one on each end. This
>would hold the black plastic piece about 3/8' to 1/2' from my shield. I
>used to have the info on who sold it but have misplaced it over the years.
>Let me tell you that this thing works great for when the sun is low.
>
>If anyone is interested I could take more exact mearsurements and post
>them.
>
>I also have read or heard of somebody using black electrical tape on the
>shield to block the sun.
>
>Later
>Roger
>
>Roger,

This doesn't have any suction cups; it's probably best described as a film
which adheres to the faceshield.  As I mentioned, it is easily peeled off
and repositioned.  It is approx. 1 3/4 " wide and 11" long; the directions
indicate it can be trimmed with scissors for slight size adjustments.

Karen Coulter
'97 PC "Li'l Red"

>
>

>
>

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From: "Turner, Andrew R (Andy)" <turnear@texaco.com>
To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Honda 650 Deauville
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 08:11:52 -0600

Has anybody seen the new NVT650 "Deauville" which is being released in the
UK any time now.  It is the closest bike I can think of to the PC800 in
terms of size, engine/driveshaft configuration, bodywork etc....
It is based on the very successful NVT650 Revere that has proved itself to
be one of the most trouble free bikes around with very high mileage common.

If any of you guys on the list have had the opportunity to ride on of these
I would be very interested in your thoughts.


regards
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Tartan Alpha ext 327
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 06:52:25 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <pilewis1@concentric.net>
To: PC800 Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: PC 2000

Hello All!

I just happened to run across the web site of one of our
local weatherman (CBS Channel 2) who is a motorcycle
enthusiast and has a PC 800.

The site is at
http://www.channel2000.com/kcbs2/rambo/motorcycles.html.

Perhaps this could possibly be a place to start for some
some publicity!!

Just a thought,

Phil

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From: "Paul Johannsen" <pauljo@earthlink.net>
To: <BernieK469@aol.com>, <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>, <COG@micapeak.com>
Subject: Re: PC800: Concours vs Pacific Coast - Decision reached - Clarification
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 11:04:30 -0500

Bernie,

Good comments. Yes, I knew that a tall rifle windshield would improve the
protection,
and maybe a Corbin seat would have helped with the comfort - not sure if it
would
have made me "fit" the machine better. But the PC800 was already priced at
$1000 more than the Connie - and that would have widened the price difference.

The Connie I'm buying already has a tall Rifle shield, Gen Mar handlebar
raisers,
Air Wings, Pro Grips, and the seat has been redone by Sargent. I didn't fully
realize all that when I wrote my "decision reached" comparison. But I was able
to
contact the previous owner of the Connie last night and he filled me in on the
modifications, as well as the riding & service history of the machine. This was
his 2nd Connie - he also stated that it is a "good one" as far as that buzz
issue
goes. So I was comparing an enhanced Connie to a box stock PC800 - I'm
sure that skewed the comfort issue significantly.

The prior owner has a Givi trunk with brake light & backrest that he would sell
to me for $150, and a Corbin seat that he would sell me for $150, and a shop
manual, and some other items - he might do a "package deal".  This could
widen the "value gap" between these two specific used motorcycles even
further. The bad news is that the machine hasn't had a full service since
1000 miles - its probably due. I realize that maintenance costs and the higher
insurance rate on the Connie will eat into the "value equation" over time.
(The Connie will cost me about $100 more per year for insurance.)

All considered, between these two SPECIFIC used motorcycles, the Connie
seems to be a significantly better value. If the PC800 had been the one with
enhancements done - and if the Connie was box stock - it might have
been harder to decide... The one big issue that isn't easily changed is the
horsepower gap. And riding is the only way to sort that out for yourself.
I went into the test rides thinking that the PC800 would have adequate power
and that the Connie would prove excessive. Turned out that I did really
prefer the performance envelope of the Connie, but this will vary for
different individuals AND what you plan using the motorcyle for. It also
helps if you have a dealership like Libby's. They basically handed me the keys
and said "go ride em for as long as you can stand it" (30 degrees out).

I don't want to discourage anyone else who is considering a first PC800 -
there is a lot to like (smoothness, utility, reliability, low maintenance).
The mailing list - and particularly that web site that enables easy searching
of the archives are GREAT! I wish COG had something like that... Any other
newbies to the list who haven't discovered http://www.hpc.uh.edu/pc800/
should check it out. And if COG does have an equivalent mailing list search
engine, I hope someone will clue me in...

Paul

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>Your comparison between the PC and the Concours is very accurate.  The PC
>with the stock saddle and fairing is not a very comfortable bike, while
>the Connie "out of the box" feels like it could make California.  The
>Connie is also a more sophisticated  and quicker machine. But the PC
>equipped with a Corbin Saddle and a Rifle Fairing combines its intrinsic
>smoothness into one of the best light touring machines available.  The PC
>will run forever, while the Connie is noted for developing problems,
>particularly seal leaks.  Enjoy your Connie.  You will love it.
>
>Bernie
>

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 10:00:11 -0800
From: Eric Matthews <ericeric@concentric.net>
To: pilewis1@concentric.net
CC: PC800 Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: PC 2000

Hey Phil,

Did you email him and ask him to join us on an upcoming ride?

Eric

Phil Lewis wrote:

> Hello All!
>
> I just happened to run across the web site of one of our
> local weatherman (CBS Channel 2) who is a motorcycle
> enthusiast and has a PC 800.
>
> The site is at
> http://www.channel2000.com/kcbs2/rambo/motorcycles.html.
>
> Perhaps this could possibly be a place to start for some
> some publicity!!
>
> Just a thought,
>
> Phil
>
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:43:31 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <pilewis1@concentric.net>
To: Eric Matthews <ericeric@concentric.net>
CC: PC800 Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: PC 2000

Hi Eric!

Yes I did send him a long e-mail, but I want to wait to see what he says
before I tell you all what I told him.

Maybe he will be big help!!!

See Ya' later,

Phil

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Eric Matthews wrote:

> Hey Phil,
>
> Did you email him and ask him to join us on an upcoming ride?
>
> Eric
>
> Phil Lewis wrote:
>
> > Hello All!
> >
> > I just happened to run across the web site of one of our
> > local weatherman (CBS Channel 2) who is a motorcycle
> > enthusiast and has a PC 800.
> >
> > The site is at
> > http://www.channel2000.com/kcbs2/rambo/motorcycles.html.
> >
> > Perhaps this could possibly be a place to start for some
> > some publicity!!
> >
> > Just a thought,
> >
> > Phil
> >
> > --
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> > *Phil Lewis *
> > *'90 PC     *
> > *"Delta Red"*
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 16:23:17 -0600
From: Mike Ver Velde <m.vervelde@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: PC800: PC 2000
To: pilewis1@concentric.net, Eric Matthews <ericeric@concentric.net>
Cc: PC800 Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>

If this event is tied into a charity- this could lead to free publicity as
he says he has been part of charity rides...

Mike V
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From: Phil Lewis <pilewis1@concentric.net>
To: Eric Matthews <ericeric@concentric.net>
Cc: PC800 Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: Sunday, February 15, 1998 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: PC800: PC 2000


>Hi Eric!
>
>Yes I did send him a long e-mail, but I want to wait to see what he says
>before I tell you all what I told him.
>
>Maybe he will be big help!!!
>
>See Ya' later,
>
>Phil
>
>-----------------------------
>
>Eric Matthews wrote:
>
>> Hey Phil,
>>
>> Did you email him and ask him to join us on an upcoming ride?
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> Phil Lewis wrote:
>>
>> > Hello All!
>> >
>> > I just happened to run across the web site of one of our
>> > local weatherman (CBS Channel 2) who is a motorcycle
>> > enthusiast and has a PC 800.
>> >
>> > The site is at
>> > http://www.channel2000.com/kcbs2/rambo/motorcycles.html.
>> >
>> > Perhaps this could possibly be a place to start for some
>> > some publicity!!
>> >
>> > Just a thought,
>> >
>> > Phil
>> >
>> > --
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>> > *Phil Lewis *
>> > *'90 PC     *
>> > *"Delta Red"*
>> > *So. Cal.   *
>> > *************
>> >
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>>
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>>
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>> mailto:maxlumen@aol.com
>> http://members.aol.com/maxlumen
>> _______________________________
>
>
>
>--
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:04:17 -0500
From: jim showrank <showrank@telerama.lm.com>
Subject: PC800: new guy on the PC 800 block
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Reply-to: showrank@telerama.lm.com

Jim Showrank
Aliquippa, PA
Showrank@telerama.lm.com

Unfortunately, I don't  own a PC800 - yet.  I ride a Helix which I
understand is the little brother to the PC800 and I joined this
listserver to help me determine if the PC800 is the correct cycle for
me. I looked at a 1990 with 26k miles at a Pittsburgh Honda dealer and
the price of $6000 (negotiable) seems a little steep. Any comments? I
thank you for allowing me to enter your group and I 'm looking forward
to gaining an insight into what I consider to be a really "neat"
machine.


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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 20:03:22 -0600
From: Louie Gray <louieg@swbell.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: rite bike

New to the list  --- 

51 yrs old, 6', 215lbs... new to motorcycling, buying my first bike june
'97. 
What I'm doing is trying this and that. My first bike a '92 600 shadow,
then on to a '96 yamaha 1100, next a 79 cb750k, and finally my last
purchase a '86 suzuki cavalcade. I still own all of them and like them
in their own way. The 750k is easy to drive and comfortable even with
two...but it is way to noisy with jardines and really lacks the power
I'd like. The shadow is fine one up. The yamaha will go....but is harsh.
The big suzuki is nice at 80mph two up...but clumsy at 8mph. 
When I bought the honda used at a dealership they had pc on hand and I
briefly looked'm over but didn't care for the appearance. Now that I
know appearance isn't everything unless you're just parking the bike. I
like to ride and two up more than not. So I am just gonna kinda lurk and
see what you boys think of your bikes. I'm thinking the pc may offer
what I want. 

Louie Gray
Ft Worth,Tx/KC,Ks
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:10:56 -0500
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Francois Saint Laurent <fsl@borgconsulting.com>
Subject: Re: PC800: new guy on the PC 800 block


>Jim Showrank wrote:

> I looked at a 1990 with 26k miles at a Pittsburgh Honda dealer and
>the price of $6000 (negotiable) seems a little steep. Any comments?


Hi Jim .

  Welcome to the list.    The price for the PC800 you mentionned is *way*
too high. Someone on this list just bought a new 1996, still in the crate,
for $5850 ( I think that was the number quoted. Speak up whoever you are!) .

  Honda has recently discounted leftover PC800's, and your Honda dealer in
Pittsburgh should know that. I would suspect that he is trying to find a
sucker for that bike at that price.   If he doesn't improve his attitude,
go to another dealer.  IMHO that's a ridiculous price.

ride safe....

fsl

(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)

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Ottawa, Canada		Waltzing Matilda

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From: "Paul Johannsen" <pauljo@earthlink.net>
To: <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: new guy on the PC 800 block
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:07:30 -0500

Jim,

There was a $1500 dealer rebate on leftover 1996 models. This made the official
asking price $5999. There have been reports of dealers selling them for as low
as $5800. They are a bit hard to find right now, but there have been a few
spotted around the country and mentioned on this mailing list during the past
week.

My dealer - Libby's, in New Haven Connecticut, has a used 1997 with less than
3000 miles on it. He's asking $6995 for it. So $6000 for a 1990 PC800 with
26000 miles seems way high. I'd think about $4500 for that machine would be
in the ballpark. BTW, with the 1997 you get about 2 years of remaining
warranty...

Paul

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>
>>Jim Showrank wrote:
>
>> I looked at a 1990 with 26k miles at a Pittsburgh Honda dealer and
>>the price of $6000 (negotiable) seems a little steep. Any comments?


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From: "Turner, Andrew R (Andy)" <turnear@texaco.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu,
        "'showrank@telerama.lm.com'"
	 <showrank@telerama.lm.com>
Subject: RE: PC800: new guy on the PC 800 block
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 02:52:32 -0600

jim,
according to Michael Brown who is also on the list you can pick up a =
brand
new PC800 for around $6000 which I think is a steal.  You can contact =
him on
"CTYWRKMIKEB@LISCO.NET".  He saw them at Garvis Honda in Des Moinnes =
IA.  As
for any comments regarding a PC800 I cannot help you as I am looking =
for my
first one myself and we have to pay =A37000 ($10500) here in the UK.

Good Luck

regards
Andy R Turner
Tartan Alpha ext 327
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> Sent: 	16 February 1998 02:04
> To: 	pc800@hpc.uh.edu
> Subject: 	PC800: new guy on the PC 800 block
>=20
> Jim Showrank
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> Showrank@telerama.lm.com
>=20
> Unfortunately, I don't  own a PC800 - yet.  I ride a Helix which I
> understand is the little brother to the PC800 and I joined this
> listserver to help me determine if the PC800 is the correct cycle for
> me. I looked at a 1990 with 26k miles at a Pittsburgh Honda dealer =
and
> the price of $6000 (negotiable) seems a little steep. Any comments? I
> thank you for allowing me to enter your group and I 'm looking =
forward
> to gaining an insight into what I consider to be a really "neat"
> machine.
>=20
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Subject: Re: PC800: new guy on the PC 800 block
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 98 06:46:34 -0600
From: "Paul B. Atkins" <patkins@mari.net>
To: <fsl@borgconsulting.com>, "pc 800 list" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>

>> I looked at a 1990 with 26k miles at a Pittsburgh Honda dealer and
>>the price of $6000 (negotiable) seems a little steep. Any comments?
>
>
>Hi Jim .
>
>  Welcome to the list.    The price for the PC800 you mentionned is *way*
>too high. Someone on this list just bought a new 1996, still in the crate,
>for $5850 ( I think that was the number quoted. Speak up whoever you are!) .
that was me.. and yes that was the price..I take delivery at the end of 
March when the snow melts!
Paul
>
>  Honda has recently discounted leftover PC800's, and your Honda dealer in
>Pittsburgh should know that. I would suspect that he is trying to find a
>sucker for that bike at that price.   If he doesn't improve his attitude,
>go to another dealer.  IMHO that's a ridiculous price.
>
>ride safe....
>
>fsl
>
>(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)
>
>Francois Saint Laurent 	'95 PC800
>Ottawa, Canada		Waltzing Matilda
>
> 	HSTA Member Number 7470
>
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:04:43 -0800 (PST)
From: John La <johnla@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: PC800: rite bike
To: louieg@swbell.net
Cc: pclist <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>

Hi Louie-

I've had a lot of other bikes (about 12-15 I'd estimate) in 20 years
of riding.  The PC is the best all around bike I've ever owned... and
the only one I'll keep over 3 years.  

However, IMHO, looks do count (I happen to like the way they look).  I
don't know if I'd drive a bike that didn't look good to me.  

Also, If you're the kind of guy who'd get offended by strangers
walking up to you and asking "What kind of scooter is that?", I'd
steer clear of the PC.  (I kind of get a kick out of it...)

Other than that, I can't think of a single reason NOT to own one.  And
you can pick up an older one for $3-4k and sell it if you don't like
it.  They don't seem to loose value much.

Good luck and safe riding.

John






---Louie Gray <louieg@swbell.net> wrote:
>
> New to the list  --- 
> 
> 51 yrs old, 6', 215lbs... new to motorcycling, buying my first bike
june
> '97. 
> What I'm doing is trying this and that. My first bike a '92 600
shadow,
> then on to a '96 yamaha 1100, next a 79 cb750k, and finally my last
> purchase a '86 suzuki cavalcade. I still own all of them and like them
> in their own way. The 750k is easy to drive and comfortable even with
> two...but it is way to noisy with jardines and really lacks the power
> I'd like. The shadow is fine one up. The yamaha will go....but is
harsh.
> The big suzuki is nice at 80mph two up...but clumsy at 8mph. 
> When I bought the honda used at a dealership they had pc on hand and I
> briefly looked'm over but didn't care for the appearance. Now that I
> know appearance isn't everything unless you're just parking the
bike. I
> like to ride and two up more than not. So I am just gonna kinda lurk
and
> see what you boys think of your bikes. I'm thinking the pc may offer
> what I want. 
> 
> Louie Gray
> Ft Worth,Tx/KC,Ks
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From: TedJ101@aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:22:32 EST
To: turnear@texaco.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Honda 650 Deauville

In a message dated 98-02-15 09:14:23 EST, turnear@texaco.com writes:

<< If any of you guys on the list have had the opportunity to ride on of these
 I would be very interested in your thoughts.
 
  >>

Andy,

I''ve ridden the NTV but not the Deaville... Somehow I don' t think that is
what interested you, though the NTV with bags shouldn't be much different from
the Deauville.  FWIW, it's a pleasant enough machine as a light tourer...  I
don't think I'd like to travel through the Alps on it two up, but that may be
heavily influenced by my views on Alps style riding -- it's sportbike
territory...

I hope this is of some help to you...

Regards,
         <<TED>>
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From: Peter Johansson <peter@widgetworks.com>
Subject: PC800: Recent price drop on 1997 models???
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:11:03 -0500 (EST)


Greetings all, I'm new to the list.  Appologies in advance if this
issue has been discussed already.  If it has, please forward a
response directly to me rather than the list.  (And if it hasn't, some
of you may be in for a surprise!)

A friend of mine is thinking about getting a PC800 and when I was
talking to my local dealer this past weekend he mentioned that Honda
had a bunch leftover '97s they were closing out to dealers "at a
substantially reduced price."  (Aparently new '98s will have the same
sticker as the original '97s)

Has anyone else heard about this?  The rough figures I heard is that
the approx $9000 sticker has been dropped to approx $7000, but I had
trouble getting exact numbers from the dealer.  I'm not sure if he
didn't know or just didn't want to tell me.

I'd like to find out what the "new" sticker is, and if anyone has
bought one recently, what kind of deals people have been able swing.
My experience is that it is never too difficult to get a dealer to
knock $500 off the price of a midrange jap bike, but that it usually
takes special circumstances to get much more than that.  If this rule
applies, a new '97 could be had for approx $6500 which sounds like a
really sweet deal.


Peter Johansson
peter@widgetworks.com
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:59:55 -0900
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
Subject: PC800: Online service manual!

I know it has been discussed at large on the PC list, the merits and legal
caveats about scanning and posting and/or distributing the service manual
to those who either can't afford it or simply can not get one. Well, it
this is a start, and hopefully this means that the New Age of Information
is about to dawn upon the world's motorcycle riders.  Check out the
publicly available Buell _service_ manual, available on the web at
http://www.buell.com.  It helps if you have Acrobat Reader.

Now if we could only convince the other manufactures to follow suit...

Juan

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:01:10 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Where to purchase a Rifle

Dear Group:

Can you tell me where is the best place to buy a Rifle Faring for the PC????

Rich
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:42:30 -0600
From: Steve Wilson <deere@linknet.net>
To: RJ1Fox@aol.com
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Where to purchase a Rifle

I got mine from my local dealer and when I had to exchange it after I cracked it
while installing it I was glad the dealer was there to do the calling and paper
work. Plus every dollar you spend at home helps home be stronger the next time
you need them. Wish you all had a dealer as good as mine.
Steve Wilson
Ruston LA
95 PC800

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> Dear Group:
>
> Can you tell me where is the best place to buy a Rifle Faring for the PC????
>
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From: "Greg Eyrich" <greg_eyrich@hotmail.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Where to purchase a Rifle
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:26:50 PST

I know sometime back a number of people got together and had a dealer 
make a "special purchase" on Rifle windshields.  At that time I think 
the going price was something around $175 out the door.  Pretty good 
savings.

I missed that batch, but very much want a Rifle.  How many others on the 
list are ready to buy?  Maybe we can work a similar deal!

Greg Eyrich

>
>I got mine from my local dealer and when I had to exchange it after I 
cracked it
>while installing it I was glad the dealer was there to do the calling 
and paper
>work. Plus every dollar you spend at home helps home be stronger the 
next time
>you need them. Wish you all had a dealer as good as mine.
>Steve Wilson
>Ruston LA
>95 PC800
>
>RJ1Fox@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Dear Group:
>>
>> Can you tell me where is the best place to buy a Rifle Faring for the 
PC????
>>
>> Rich
>> --

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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@worldnet.att.net>
To: "'gfrank@ibm.net'" <gfrank@ibm.net>,
        "pc800@hpc.uh.edu"
	 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Cc: StZim <czimmer@notes.cc.bellcore.com>
Subject: RE: PC800: March 4 - 8 camping Daytona area
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:41:38 -0800

I had these two camping options saved in my Daytona archives.  The first is 
open to anyone, the later is for Honda Sport Touring Assoc (HSTA) members.

I'm staying with the HSTA group.

-bryceu

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Email: bryceu@worldnet.att.net  Web: http://home.att.net/~bryceu/
AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140/STOC 478
'89 Honda PC800 "Pearl",
'95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T"
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From:	Bigwayne19 [SMTP:Bigwayne19@aol.com]
Sent:	Wednesday, December 24, 1997 2:10 PM
To:	Honda Sport Touring Association
Subject:	daytona bike week

comments = Bike Week Daytona 1998 - Feb. 27 - Mar. 8, 1998
ABATE OF FLORIDA, INC.
P.O. BOX 585, DeBARY, FL., 32713-0585
Phone: (407) 668-5006
Fax: (407) 668-5006
e-mail: boots@cnilink.com

To all Motorcycle Rights Organizations and individuals who attend Bike Week 
in Daytona.
ABATE OF FLORIDA, INC., has had numerous complaints from all over the 
country about high prices at the hotels in Daytona. Although we have no 
control over prices ABATE OF FLORIDA does have a solution to the problem.
ABATE OF FLORIDA, INC., has a campground at the Volusia County Fairgrounds. 
It is 20 minutes from Daytona and a beautiful ride either on the Inerstate 
or back roads. We offer the best security for your motorcycles at any 
campground in Daytona.
There is plenty of room for RV's and tents. Compare paying anywhere from 
$150 to $250 a night in a hotel when you can pay $8 a night or $50 for the 
whole ten days at ABATE'S campground. That leaves quite a bit of money for 
whatever you want to do or buy in Daytona.
The money raised at our campground goes to fight the helmet law and other 
unjust laws in Florida.   Stay at the ABATE OF FLORIDA, INC.'s campground 
during Bike Week and save yourselves some money.
For further information contact the ABATE OF FLORIDA, INC.'s state office 
at
(407)668-5006
James "Dec" Reichenbach II
ABATE OF FLORIDA, INC.
State President



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From:	Chuck Headrick [SMTP:crh@palmnet.net]
Sent:	Tuesday, January 20, 1998 4:53 PM
To:	Honda Sport Touring Association
Subject:	Re: Daytona

RMiller948 wrote:
>
> I think we should have a HSTA hotel with or without good rates so we will 
all
> be together in the parking lot.
>                                   Richard Miller


Richard,Glenn and James and any others
Attached is a post I sent to John Castagna in Dec. I hope it answers some 
questions. My recommendation; if all want a central hotel, is to utilize 
the Lucks Way Inn. It is across the street from the Days Inn that has 
provided us with good rates for the last several years, but dealing with a 
new group manager each year is a pain in the ass. Perhaps they (Days Inn) 
will realize the lost income, but then again it will probably be a new 
manager next year and the Daytona GROWTH will probably overcome our usual 
10-15 rooms.
Glenn, I sure hope that you received this via the State Directors list, if 
not John did not either.

DAYTONA '98
March 1 - 8
Now that the bikes are stored away safely for the winter and withdrawal 
symptoms are starting to rise, maybe we should start thinking of  the 
gathering of fellow bikers that occurs after the first thaw, in Sunny 
Florida.
Daytona will once again be jammed with thousands of  celebrants to the 
passing of Winter, so come on down and enjoy the gathering of old and new 
friends to plan for those roads to be visited  the rest of the year.
The Saturday Night Dinner gathering (3/7) (due to many good comments) will 
again be at the Daytona Beach Golf and Country Club. The Club is located on 
the west side of US1, a few miles south of US92 (the main Speedway 
highway). Last year we had 96 attendees  with about 35 walk-ins. Please 
send your money in early or pay when you get down here by Thursday (3/4). 
Only so many surprise guests can be accommodated, I really would hate to 
turn you away.
The dinner is a three item buffet / salad bar and the cost is $15/ person.
Now for the bad news. Due to the overwhelming popularity and growth of the 
GREEN MACHINE known as Daytona Bike Week, and the constant turnover of Days 
Inn staff, the lower rates we have been able to enjoy all these years, is 
no longer available. The going rates for several motels, I checked in the 
area, are $65 for the beginning  of the week and increasing to $95 for 
Friday and Saturday. There is no minimum days required. My best 
recommendation to reserve a room is to try the newly remodeled Lucks Way 
Inn (1-407-269-7110) also located at Exit 79. These rates are $65 for the 
entire week, but if you want to take a chance, wait till you arrive here, 
you may get a $45 quote, as some members did last year.
If you camp, there is an KOA at exit 81. I also have a large backyard with 
a new out building that should sleep 10 friends, if you wanted to rent a 
cot when you arrived instead of hauling and pitching a tent.  Showers are 
available at the KOA for about a buck. Call me if you would like to camp at 
our place.
Hoping you all had great Holidays and we're looking forward to another 
great BIKE WEEK with great friends.
Chuck Headrick
3085 Avon Lane
Titusville; Fl. 32796
1-407-267-5293
crh@palmnet.net

Please make check payable to Chuck Headrick
------------------------------------------------------------------------  
------------------------------

Please sign me up for ________ dinners at $15 each.
Dinner is March 7th, Saturday night, at the Daytona Beach Golf and Country 
Club.


___________________________________________________________________
Name (please include guest name also)

------------------------------------------------------------------------  
--------------------------------


Chuck Headrick     HSTA FLA. State Rep.
HSTA #223          AMA #452756
'75 CB400F         '84 GL1200A


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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:45:37 -0500
From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com>
Subject: PC800: Dealer Support
To: HondaPacificCoastOwners <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Cc: HSTA Postings to List <hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu>

>From time to time some of you inquire about sources for this part and tha=
t
accessory =

as an alternative to purchasing it from your local dealer. I thought that=

it might be =

appropriate to post the following message sent some time ago by HSTA
Ambassador =

Mike Traynor, who is the President of the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundatio=
n
of the =

United States (AKA Ride For Kids.). Take a minute and read it...makes a l=
ot
of sense.

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

This won't be popular with some folks, but the truth is, the dealer has t=
o
stay in business if we are going to be able buy and at least
warranty-service
a bike. And he cannot make it on selling new/used machines alone. =


So he has to have a service operation that runs year round (even when the=

snow flies and nobody rides-well maybe some of us nuts but not very many)=

and
that leaves a big need to sell replacement parts and accessories, tires,
etc.
if everybody buys all their aftermarket, replacement equipment from the
mail
order house, he is going to go out of business. Our reward is then to rid=
e
further, for some people in non-city environments that can be a couple
hundred miles to get to the surviving dealer and he may not carry your
favorite machine & parts.

Now you're going to say, "but I am not going to be fleeced with big time
markups" and you are right, you should not! Hopefully, you can go the
dealer
and say look, I want to help you stay in business but I need to pay my re=
nt
too. You don't have to match the mail order house penny for penny but don=
't
take advantage of me or frankly I will go to the mail guys if you leave m=
e
no
choice. An intelligent dealer will listen to you and reevaluate at least
how
he treats you with his prices. If that doesn't work then go back to the
mail
guys because with that kind of attitude the dealer may well be out of
business soon anyway.

The smart and successful dealers are great friends to the HSTA, like Bob
Hartmann and a bunch of others and even though Bob's prices are higher th=
an
mail, I buy from him because he gives a fair price and he also gives a da=
mn
about motorcyclists in his trading area by supporting our fun and causes.=

And
when something isn't right I can go back and look the guy in the shop in
the
eye and say,"this needs fixing", and it gets done, with no bobbing and
weaving on the phone.

My apologies for the soap box but I hope this might ring a few bells for
all
of us.

Thanks for listening.

Mike Traynor   =

RFKMIKE@aol.Com

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Someone has been talking about making "Honda quality" anti-freeze. =

Two questions...how much do you use to fill your cooling system, and how =

often do you change it? Seems like a small amount...

By the way...how many of you have ordered a valve adjustment from =

A mail-order house recently?

Dana
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From: "Mike Whited" <MikeTW@worldnet.att.net>
To: "PC800" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: New Jacket
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 06:42:18 -0500

I'm in the market for a decent riding jacket, (I didn't realise leather
would shrink 2 sizes in 14 years ! heh,heh).
Anyway, Ive been looking at some of the newer synthetic's like the Hein
Gericke "BOOST JACKET" and the Tourmaster "CORTECH".
 I just received a new Competition Accessories catalog and the carry
apparel made by LaTrek. Has anyone had any experiance with this company?
The "PATRIOT JACKET" is what caught my eye.

Any information is appriciated.

Mike Whited
Col. OH

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:23:39 -0600
From: jgeistlubtx@door.net (geist, james)
To: showrank@telerama.lm.com
CC: PC800 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: new guy on the PC 800 block

jim showrank wrote:
> 
> Jim Showrank
> Aliquippa, PA
> Showrank@telerama.lm.com
> 
> Unfortunately, I don't  own a PC800 - yet.  I ride a Helix which I
> understand is the little brother to the PC800 and I joined this
> listserver to help me determine if the PC800 is the correct cycle for
> me. I looked at a 1990 with 26k miles at a Pittsburgh Honda dealer and
> the price of $6000 (negotiable) seems a little steep. Any comments? I
> thank you for allowing me to enter your group and I 'm looking forward
> to gaining an insight into what I consider to be a really "neat"
> machine.
> 
> --Hi Jim.
	I paid $3500. for my '90 PC w/ 10400 miles. Offer your Honda dealer
$3700. If he says no, walk! $6000. is way too much for a '90. 
Good luck,
James
Lubbock, Tx.
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From: JBLAV@aol.com
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:52:15 EST
To: greg_eyrich@hotmail.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Where to purchase a Rifle

Add me to the new Rifle shield list.The Tall Hondaline has just about had it.

Jim
Key Largo, FL
90 PC800

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To: "PC800" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Re: New Jacket
From: Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: 17 Feb 1998 14:51:29 -0600
Lines: 14

>>>>> "MW" == Mike Whited <MikeTW@worldnet.att.net> writes:

MW> Anyway, Ive been looking at some of the newer synthetic's like the Hein
MW> Gericke "BOOST JACKET" and the Tourmaster "CORTECH".

I still think that very little beats an Aerostich Darien if all you want is
a jacket, _unless_ you don't like paying $400 for it.

I have a Roadcrafter 2.  Best motorcycle-related investment I ever made.
(Second was my Shoei X9, third was my PC800.)  I just put new TF-2 pads in
it along with my back and hip pads and now I'm the indestructible _Red
Ranger_.

 - J<
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:37:16 -0500
From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com>
Subject: PC800: 1998 HSTA Raffle Bike
To: HondaPacificCoastOwners <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Cc: HSTA Postings to List <hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu>

Turn to page 10 of the March 1998 issue of "Motorcycle Consumer News" =

for a "First Impression of the 1998 Honda VFR800FI Interceptor." We are =

giving one away to a lucky HSTA member, the drawing to be held at our =

banquet during STAR '98, our 16th national rally, to be held June 21-25 a=
t =

Taos, New Mexico. You do have to be a member to participate in the raffle=
, =

but you don't have to be present to win. Tickets are a paltry $5...how ma=
ny

have you already purchased? Contact your state director, other HSTA offic=
er

or Dave Lawson. Dave is the Coordinator of this year's raffle, and can be=
 =

reached at 9703 Springdale Drive, Fishers, Indiana 46038-9592. His phone =

number is 317/849-0044. His e-mail address is 77567,3132@CompuServe.Com.

If you are reading this and are not an HSTA member, there is still hope f=
or
you.
Read on....................

I'd like to send you an information brochure/membership application for
the Honda Sport Touring Association! Founded in 1982 and AMA-chartered, =

we have more than 2,000 members within our ranks.

We have a membership number reserved just for you!  =


STAR '96, our 14th national rally, was held June 23-27, 1996 at =

Canaan Valley Resort, Davis, West Virginia. We had some 460 members =

at that event; a record number for our Association!  =


STAR '97, our 15th national rally, was held June 22-25, 1997 at the =

Fountainhead Resort on Lake Eufaula, Oklahoma, with some 360 =

members in attendance.. =


STAR '98 will be held June 21 - 25, 1998 at Taos, New Mexico. Make plans
now =

to join us there...I'll be looking for you!

In the meantime, we have local and regional events taking place year-roun=
d =

in all sections of the country. My wife Lynn and I have made some wonderf=
ul

lasting friendships with other club members, and I hope that you will joi=
n
the =

HSTA and discover the same pleasant experience!

SEND ME YOUR SNAIL-MAIL ADDRESS and I'll put your material in the mail
promptly. =


In closing, please consider joining the Honda Sport Touring Association. =

We're going places...crank up your bike and ride along with us!

*******************************************************
                      DANA L. SAWYER                          =

Founder, Executive Committee Member and =

            South Carolina State Director                =

       Honda Sport Touring Association              =

               HSTA Member #0001SU                       =

               HRCA Member #700266                      =

           AMA (Life) Member # 180901                 =

              71430.340@CompuServe.com  =

      1990 Honda Pacific Coast PC800               =

********************************************************
      "Life is short...I think I'll go riding!"               =

********************************************************
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most!"
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:26:02 -0900
To: MST3KGUY@aol.com
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
Subject: PC800: Re: Online service manual!
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu

At 18:05 2/17/98 EST, you wrote:
>i don't know how many fj (yamaha FJ1100/1200) owners there are on the list,
>but a guy on the fj newsgroup list is putting together an fj cd-rom
microfiche
>of all the parts.  not exactly a manual, but helpful nonetheless...

Dean, like I mentioned, the issue has been discussed at length in the PC
and VX lists, and if nothing else, one thing has been made painfully clear:
 It is illegal to copy and distribute material that has an explicit or
inplicit copyright on it.  If it is someone elses intellectual property,
you can't do it. It is in his best interest to obtain permission to
distribute such a CD, or at least contact his lawyer on the possible
consequences if he does not.
PC and VX members who are lawyers gave horrific and graphic detail of
possible consequences if the owners of the information decide to come after
you.  Trust me, it is not worth it. However, this gentleman you tell me
about might have already sought and received the approval from Yamaha Motor
Corp. and in that case it would be perfectly OK.  FWIW, good luck.

Juan

Inside every small problem is a big one trying to get government funding. 
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School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences	'91 Suzuki VX800
University of Alaska Fairbanks		'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat
(907)474-5520				AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:12:10 -0500
From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com>
Subject: PC800: Aerostich Darien testimonials
To: HondaPacificCoastOwners <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Cc: HSTA Postings to List <hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu>

I am looking at all available riding suits to replace the two-piece
Aerostich Roadcrafter that I sold last fall. I my heart, I know that the
class of the field is the Aerostich Darien. I want something with a
removable jacket liner, and with pants that zip down the outside seams. T=
he
Darien has these features....and much more! I am familiar with the qualit=
y
of the Aerostich stuff...I just want specific input about the Darien.

Now...send me your testimonials on the Aerostich Darien...I just want som=
e
feedback on how it works for  you...thanks!

Dana
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From: "Greg Eyrich" <greg_eyrich@hotmail.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Aerostich Darien testimonials
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:33:52 PST

Also, any comments on the pros and cons of the Darien Light would be 
great!  

Greg Eyrich


>From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com>

>I am looking at all available riding suits to replace the two-piece
>Aerostich Roadcrafter that I sold last fall. I my heart, I know that 
the
>class of the field is the Aerostich Darien. I want something with a
>removable jacket liner, and with pants that zip down the outside seams. 
T=
>he
>Darien has these features....and much more! I am familiar with the 
qualit=
>y
>of the Aerostich stuff...I just want specific input about the Darien.
>
>Now...send me your testimonials on the Aerostich Darien...I just want 
som=
>e
>feedback on how it works for  you...thanks!
>
>Dana
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From: ruf@nconnect.net
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:14:26 -0600 (CST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Aerostich Darien testimonials

I have heard so much about the Aerostitch Darien products. Does anyone know
where they are made? Are they imported? Just curious.

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From: "Mark Lucas" <mjlucas@earthlink.net>
To: <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Aerostich Darien testimonials
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:00:03 -0800

Made right here in the good old USA.

Aerostich Riderware
Eight South 18th Ave. West
Duluth, MN 55806-2148
1-800-222-1994
http://www.aerostich.com/aerostich

Really great people on the phone.  Call and get a catalog.  You'll be
drooling for weeks.

Peace,
Mark Lucas
http://home.earthlink.net/~mjlucas
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From: ruf@nconnect.net <ruf@nconnect.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: PC800: Aerostich Darien testimonials


|I have heard so much about the Aerostitch Darien products. Does anyone know
|where they are made? Are they imported? Just curious.
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:43:59 -0600
From: Mike Ver Velde <m.vervelde@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: PC800: Re: New Jacket
To: Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu>, PC800 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>


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From: Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu>
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Date: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 2:53 PM
Subject: PC800: Re: New Jacket


>>>>>> "MW" == Mike Whited <MikeTW@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>
>MW> Anyway, Ive been looking at some of the newer synthetic's like the Hein
>MW> Gericke "BOOST JACKET" and the Tourmaster "CORTECH".
>
>I still think that very little beats an Aerostich Darien if all you want is
>a jacket, _unless_ you don't like paying $400 for it.
>
>I have a Roadcrafter 2.  Best motorcycle-related investment I ever made.
>(Second was my Shoei X9, third was my PC800.)  I just put new TF-2 pads in
>it along with my back and hip pads and now I'm the indestructible _Red
>Ranger_.
>
> - J<


Second.  I compared alot of jackets and decided that the Darien was probably
the best all around jacket I could have. I wanted a jacket that could "do
everything".  Despite the price, its worth it.  Went thru one accident with
me (broken collarbone) last summer, and just have a few scrapes on it. Im
still wearing it.  Tough mother it is!

Mike V

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:49:35 -0600
From: Mike Ver Velde <m.vervelde@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: PC800: Aerostich Darien testimonials
To: "Dana L. Sawyer" <Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com>,
        HondaPacificCoastOwners <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Cc: HSTA Postings to List <hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu>

Two words.   GET IT.

If you want more details, Ill wait to see what others say since I have
already talked about how great my Darien suit is in previous postings.
Probably in the archive.

Mike V.
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Date: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 6:19 PM
Subject: PC800: Aerostich Darien testimonials


I am looking at all available riding suits to replace the two-piece
Aerostich Roadcrafter that I sold last fall. I my heart, I know that the
class of the field is the Aerostich Darien. I want something with a
removable jacket liner, and with pants that zip down the outside seams. The
Darien has these features....and much more! I am familiar with the quality
of the Aerostich stuff...I just want specific input about the Darien.

Now...send me your testimonials on the Aerostich Darien...I just want some
feedback on how it works for  you...thanks!

Dana
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From: "Paul Hayes" <pauly@email.msn.com>
To: "Mike Ver Velde" <m.vervelde@mci2000.com>,
        "Dana L. Sawyer" <Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com>,
        "HondaPacificCoastOwners" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
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Subject: Re: PC800: Aerostich Darien testimonials
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:50:04 -0800

The Aerostitch products are first rate - I have used the Darien Jacket and
pants for more than a year and they're still like new.  One time I was
caught in a torrential downpour on a busy hwy I-405 North of Bellevue.  It
was raining harder than any man-made shower I've ever been in.  Visibility
was reduced to a few feet and I decided it would be best to pull over under
the next available overpass and wait out the worst of the rain.  Well, after
about 20 minutes of waiting under there it became clear to me that it would
not let up for some time.   So I hopped on my '89 and headed out.  I drove
in that stuff slowly North about 20 miles (about an hour) and eventually
made it to the Ferry going over to Whidbey Island where I live.  When I
finally made it home I went inside and started to pull off my stuff.  Here's
the bottom line: inside my Darien suit all my cloths were relatively dry!
Because of this I was also relatively cozy for the ride.  I was and continue
to be very impressed with the stuff.  It's expensive as a one-time outlay,
but the cost is mitigated by the fact that you get several years of long,
durable, comfortable life.

The only things that didn't stay relatively dry were my hands, which were
inside an expensive pair of top-quality leather gloves.  I realized that
this (cold, wet) is how the rest of my body would have been if I had been
wearing even the best quality leather Jacket and Pants.

I've never spilled a bike, so I don't have first-hand experience in
discussing the safety aspects.  However, they seem to have done their
homework (extensive abrasion tests) with the materials they use, and have
made some informed choices.

Another fact sometimes overlooked is that the company treats you well.  I
spoke with the helpful Aerostitch staff several times over the phone and
they were most helpful in getting me the right gear in the right size.  Add
it up, quality, durability, comfort, great service.  Sometime in the next
century when I need a new suit, I'll be going back to them for another suit.

Aerostitch is a small company in Minnesota.  I am in no way affiliated with
the company, except that I suppose I advertise their stuff whenever I wear
it.  To my knowledge, they design and manufacture make all their own stuff
right there in Minnesota. When you call them up, ask them if this is true.
Here's the URL to their web site:

            http://www.aerostich.com/

- Pauly



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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:02:59 -0600
From: Steve Wilson <deere@linknet.net>
To: RJ1Fox@aol.com
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Where to purchase a Rifle


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I talked to my dealer today and he said he didn't make  hardly anything off of
Rifle shields. I told him a few guys on the list were wanting to buy and he said
$175-180 and he wasn't sure if he could include shipping at that price. He would
have to check with Rifle about the shipping. Let me know how many of you are
interested and I will get a firm price from him. I think I would just as soon
buy direct from Rifle if $10 was all I saved. Rifle has a money back if not
satisified deal and some other guarantees as well. Check them out at  RIFLE
Fairings 1-800-262-1237 . Click on the underlined name and read all about them
yourself.
Steve Wilson
Ruston LA
95 PC800

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> Dear Group:
>
> Can you tell me where is the best place to buy a Rifle Faring for the PC????
>
> Rich
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I talked to my dealer today and he said he didn't make&nbsp; hardly anything
off of Rifle shields. I told him a few guys on the list were wanting to
buy and he said $175-180 and he wasn't sure if he could include shipping
at that price. He would have to check with Rifle about the shipping. Let
me know how many of you are interested and I will get a firm price from
him. I think I would just as soon buy direct from Rifle if $10 was all
I saved. Rifle has a money back if not satisified deal and some other guarantees
as well. Check them out at&nbsp; <A HREF="http://www.rifle.com/">RIFLE
Fairings 1-800-262-1237</A> . Click on the underlined name and read all
about them yourself.
<BR>Steve Wilson
<BR>Ruston LA
<BR>95 PC800

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PC????

<P>Rich
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:58:15 -0600
From: Mike Ver Velde <m.vervelde@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: PC800: Aerostich Darien testimonials
To: Paul Hayes <pauly@email.msn.com>,
        "Dana L. Sawyer" <Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com>,
        HondaPacificCoastOwners <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>

As I mentioned before, in the accident in which I broke my collarbone (no
other injuries, scrapes, etc.), my jacket just had scrape marks on the left
shoulder, and on the fabric that was covering the zipper pulls on my left
pocket.  Patched them up and still use it.   However, about a couple months
ago, I was caught in a torrential downpour  a la El Nino-  When I got home,
I noticed that on the front left side of my inside jacket (area in front of
my collarbone) was a little damp.  Upon inspection, I realized that the
impact from the accident stretched the gore tex fabric inside that there
were very tiny rips in the gore tex in that area.   I have rode it thru rain
since (not as bad as the downpour) and  it has not leaked through.  Gee,
still good after all that.

When I decided to buy this, I read claims from other manufacturers- their
jackets will protect you, but once it does, it needs replacing. The jacket
will take the abuse and shred instead of your skin.  With the Darien, No
need to replace it, so I figured in the long run, I wont have to spend $200
or $300 twice compared to $400 once.    I notice that Motoport is selling
new cordura suits as well like the darien and claims its 1000 courdura
compared to dariens 500 courdura.  dont know if its stiffer or what but they
claim its more abraision resistent.  Maybe someone else has first hand
knowledge of that one.

In the valley of Northern California- I commute thru it in 100 degree hot
dry temperatures in the summer, and the large vents along the underarms and
back really do work.  The pants tend to be too warm, and I end up not not
wearing the suit pants when its just tooooo hot.  Need to set up a portable
misting system around the windsheild with a trunk full of cold water for
days like that.....

Mike V


>The Aerostitch products are first rate - I have used the Darien Jacket and
>pants for more than a year and they're still like new.  One time I was
>caught in a torrential downpour on a busy hwy I-405 North of Bellevue.  It
>was raining harder than any man-made shower I've ever been in.  Visibility
>was reduced to a few feet and I decided it would be best to pull over under
>the next available overpass and wait out the worst of the rain.  Well,
after
>about 20 minutes of waiting under there it became clear to me that it would
>not let up for some time.   So I hopped on my '89 and headed out.  I drove
>in that stuff slowly North about 20 miles (about an hour) and eventually
>made it to the Ferry going over to Whidbey Island where I live.  When I
>finally made it home I went inside and started to pull off my stuff.
Here's
>the bottom line: inside my Darien suit all my cloths were relatively dry!
>Because of this I was also relatively cozy for the ride.  I was and
continue
>to be very impressed with the stuff.  It's expensive as a one-time outlay,
>but the cost is mitigated by the fact that you get several years of long,
>durable, comfortable life.
>
>The only things that didn't stay relatively dry were my hands, which were
>inside an expensive pair of top-quality leather gloves.  I realized that
>this (cold, wet) is how the rest of my body would have been if I had been
>wearing even the best quality leather Jacket and Pants.
>
>I've never spilled a bike, so I don't have first-hand experience in
>discussing the safety aspects.  However, they seem to have done their
>homework (extensive abrasion tests) with the materials they use, and have
>made some informed choices.
>
>Another fact sometimes overlooked is that the company treats you well.  I
>spoke with the helpful Aerostitch staff several times over the phone and
>they were most helpful in getting me the right gear in the right size.  Add
>it up, quality, durability, comfort, great service.  Sometime in the next
>century when I need a new suit, I'll be going back to them for another
suit.
>
>Aerostitch is a small company in Minnesota.  I am in no way affiliated with
>the company, except that I suppose I advertise their stuff whenever I wear
>it.  To my knowledge, they design and manufacture make all their own stuff
>right there in Minnesota. When you call them up, ask them if this is true.
>Here's the URL to their web site:
>
>            http://www.aerostich.com/
>
>- Pauly
>

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To: HondaPacificCoastOwners <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Re: Aerostich Darien testimonials
From: Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: 18 Feb 1998 22:59:56 -0600
Lines: 25

>>>>> "MVV" == Mike Ver Velde <m.vervelde@MCI2000.com> writes:

MVV> I notice that Motoport is selling new cordura suits as well like the
MVV> darien and claims its 1000 courdura compared to dariens 500 courdura.
MVV> dont know if its stiffer or what but they claim its more abraision
MVV> resistent.  Maybe someone else has first hand knowledge of that one.

Well, the ballistics on the Roadcrafter2 suits are 1000 denier cordura, and
I can say that I definitely wouldn't want to wear a suit made exclusively
out of that.  Even after four years of wear like my Roadcrafter2 has, I
still think it would be too stiff.

Can't you get ballistics on a Darien?  I think you can get pads, too.  (My
Aerostich catalog isn't close at hand.)

I'd actually consider buying a Darien but, well, my current suit is just
too good.  I figure it will start to fall apart in ten years or so, and
then I can go shopping again.  Four years of daily riding and three spills
now and not one scuff or torn seam.  I've only lost two zipper pull tabs
and one snap, and they gave me replacements for free.  (I installed the
replacements myself, though.)  Oh, and the pads started to wear out so I
got a new set.  It's rare to see stuff made this well, in America or
elsewhere.

 - J<
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From: "Prince, Roger" <RPrince@imps0014.us.dg.com>
To: "'Greg Eyrich'" <greg_eyrich@hotmail.com>, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: RE: PC800: Where to purchase a Rifle
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:02:21 -0500

Greg,

Try Cycle Design.  1-800-343-1374
Last time I checked they still had some in stock, some color matched but
don't know which colors.

Roger


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> From:	Greg Eyrich [SMTP:greg_eyrich@hotmail.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, February 17, 1998 1:27 AM
> To:	pc800@hpc.uh.edu
> Subject:	Re: PC800: Where to purchase a Rifle
> 
> I know sometime back a number of people got together and had a dealer 
> make a "special purchase" on Rifle windshields.  At that time I think 
> the going price was something around $175 out the door.  Pretty good 
> savings.
> 
> I missed that batch, but very much want a Rifle.  How many others on
> the 
> list are ready to buy?  Maybe we can work a similar deal!
> 
> Greg Eyrich
> 
> >
> >I got mine from my local dealer and when I had to exchange it after I
> 
> cracked it
> >while installing it I was glad the dealer was there to do the calling
> 
> and paper
> >work. Plus every dollar you spend at home helps home be stronger the 
> next time
> >you need them. Wish you all had a dealer as good as mine.
> >Steve Wilson
> >Ruston LA
> >95 PC800
> >
> >RJ1Fox@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Group:
> >>
> >> Can you tell me where is the best place to buy a Rifle Faring for
> the 
> PC????
> >>
> >> Rich
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From: "Steve & Diane Scudder " <greyhound@bizgroup.net>
To: "PC800 Listserve" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: So Many requests for info! My alarm, Priority Plus, Etc...
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:00:37 -0500

Hi All,

I've had so many requests for this information that I decided to post it on
the list.
The alarm that I bought is a model RS-500 from Radio Shack. This unit is the
same as the Bulldog Model 801. Both retail in the $50.00-$60.00 range but
can be found for much less on sale. K-Mart even has a display bubble-pack of
the Bulldog branded unit for around $35.00 or so ( I'm told. This after I
purchased and installed mine ). Features: 4 button remote fob ( arm, disarm,
finder and panic ).
Adjustable shock sensitivity ( done with remote and a tap, slap or what-ever
on the bike).
Current-draw sensor.
Installs in minutes by connecting to + & - terminals of battery and routing
the antenna wire lead.I mounted mine atop the battery itself.
Works great for the price! Scared the absolute s**t out of several
"touchy-feely" types already!

Priority Plus modulator:
Converts rear turn signal lamps into running lights and pulsed stoplamps.
Retails for $80.00. Talked dealer down to $46.00 ( distributors price, I
believe ). Installed unit in trunk, inner right side and drilled a hole
through to back end of bike, into taillamp housing. It's an easy 7-wire
hook-up, make sure to seal around drilled hole and use quality tie wraps and
sealing tape on the connections. Works GREAT!

Hondaline trunk lights:
This was by far the most work of the 3! I'd love to know what kind of "sharp
knife" Honda uses in Japan! It is a bit of work, but I find the lights very
useful. I won't go into details on the installation as they are available in
the archive ( THANKS, by the way! ).

Been out of town on business since Monday, just got home. Bike sure looks
fine, hope it warms up this weekend!
Oops!, Wife sure looks fine..great to see you again dear! The greyhounds are
happy that "Dad" is home too.

Happy riding,

Steve Scudder
greyhound@bizgroup.net
How could you not LOVE a Greyhound?!
97 PC800, 93 miles so far and raring to go!






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To: "'Steve & Diane Scudder '" <greyhound@bizgroup.net>
Cc: "'PC800 Group (List)'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: PC800: So Many requests for info! My alarm, Priority Plus, Etc...
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:21:37 -0600

Hey Steve, how about talking your dealer into a bunch of $46 deals for
the rest of us...

Craig C
'95 PC800

Priority Plus modulator:
Converts rear turn signal lamps into running lights and pulsed stoplamps.
Retails for $80.00. Talked dealer down to $46.00 ( distributors price, I
believe ). Installed unit in trunk, inner right side and drilled a hole
through to back end of bike, into taillamp housing. It's an easy 7-wire
hook-up, make sure to seal around drilled hole and use quality tie wraps and
sealing tape on the connections. Works GREAT!

Steve Scudder
greyhound@bizgroup.net
How could you not LOVE a Greyhound?!
97 PC800, 93 miles so far and raring to go!


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Subject: Fw: PC800: So Many requests for info! My alarm, Priority Plus, Etc...
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:30:32 -0500


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To: 'Steve & Diane Scudder ' <greyhound@bizgroup.net>
Cc: 'PC800 Group (List)' <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: Thursday, February 19, 1998 6:23 PM
Subject: RE: PC800: So Many requests for info! My alarm, Priority Plus,
Etc...


|Hey Steve, how about talking your dealer into a bunch of $46 deals for
|the rest of us...
|
|Craig C
|'95 PC800


I failed to mention that I repaired/reprogrammed bad data connection for
said dealer in exchange for the price break. I have found over the years
that a little haggling, trade-of-services, etc. can really make a
difference. The deal was in his favor, though. A call to a service
organization for that type of repair is $140.00/hr., minimum 1 hr. charge
plus a trip charge. Took me all of 10 minutes, no conflict of interest with
my employer and so on. Use your talents/expertise in trade when you can!
 got my central air conditioning system new and installed for $800.00 this
way! ).

Steve Scudder
greyhound@bizgroup.net
How could you not LOVE a Greyhound?!


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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:40:16 -0700
From: "Rich Stucky" <RSTUCKY@novell.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: New 96 PC800

Hi Guys,

It's been along time.  You old timers probably recall I joined the group =
back in late 94 when I bought my 89 PC.  Over the last few years I was =
off-the-list and on again as I moved around the crazy world of Silicon =
Valley startups.

Last August, after putting 30,000 miles on my 89 PC I sold it.   It was a =
bad move, but it was during a period of craziness between career moves.  =
Now I've left California behind, moved my family to Utah and, even with =
the snow on the ground, boy do I miss it.

I've located a factory showroom new 96 which the dealer has offered to =
sell me for $5995.00.  He's also got a new 98 for $8600.00.

Can any of you give me a little advice on the price -----  what is a good =
"out the door" price for either bike.

Thanks for your help.

Rich

=20


Richard Stucky
Novell Business Development Group
Voice: 801-222-4466
Fax:     801-222-4474=20
Email: rstucky@novell.com

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:56:15 -0500
From: Jason <crazyapple@ibm.net>
To: PC800 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Upgrades and accessories

I'm in the process of adding a number of items to the PC.

1. Sound/stereo/communication

I recently purchased a 10-disc RF CD-Changer.  It's nearly identical to
what I use in my car (same magazine, which was a motivating factor).
They sell them for about $175 at http://www.onsale.com  They are in the
Consumer Electronics area and last I checked they still had at least
10.  The nice thing about this is that you can use it with nearly any
head-unit/stereo that has an antenna input.  The controls are through a
wired remote that is small, illuminated, and simple to use without
looking at it.  In addition, it's just a matter of unplugging it to get
it out of the trunk if you need the storage.  I know that I've seen a
PC800 equipped with this unit before, but can't remember where.

What I'm looking for now is a decent head unit for it.  I've been
considering purchase of one of the new (are they out yet...?) Chatterbox
devices.  It's a 40-channel CB and an FM tuner in one unit.  This would
work out well, but I believe they're going to sell for something like
$299.  This seems very high for what it is.
I'd welcome any suggestions on how to proceed here.  I'm also thinking
about doing it all seperately; seperate stereo, CB, and bike to bike
systems.

My current main concern is speakers for the PC.  I'm figuring that most
polypropelene speakers would hold up to the weather, but are there
specific speakers for this use that are more durable than average?

2. Alarm/security/remote starting

The other items I've been planning on doing are things like an alarm and
a remote starter.  I've been reading with interest about the bulldog
alarm used (I have a friend who had very bad luck with one once a few
years ago... and when it did work, he was told that the "somebody please
help me!!!" scream was illegal and should be deactivated.  This is
probably a different unit, though).  I'd like an alarm with a paging
option, I had one for a car a while back and it worked well.  You just
have to carry a device that's the size of a normal numeric pager.
My main concern is someone screwing with/sitting on/knocking over the
bike, not someone stealing it.  For that reason, an alarm with a very
very sensitive shock sensor might be nice.

I also wouldn't mind installing a remote starter, and am wondering if
anyone has done this with a PC yet.  I've figured out a way to do it and
I know it will work, but would like to see if it's the best way.  It's
definately more of a novelty thing than the above items, though.

-Jason Grant
94 PC

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From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com
To: crazyapple@ibm.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: RE: PC800: Upgrades and accessories
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:45:39 -0800

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Jason [SMTP:crazyapple@ibm.net]
> 
> I'm in the process of adding a number of items to the PC.
> 
> 1. Sound/stereo/communication
	 <snip> 
> My current main concern is speakers for the PC.  I'm figuring that
> most
> polypropelene speakers would hold up to the weather, but are there
> specific speakers for this use that are more durable than average?
> 
no shortage in Seattle) to find a pair of marine speakers.   They ought
to hold up! 

Todd Vierheller
todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com 
vierhel@ibm.net
(206) 930-3110
Y2K Project Office
Year 2000 -- Resistance is Futile
	 

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From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: RE: PC800: Names for Blue Bike?  Send Direct to todd.vierheller@n
	ordstrom.co m
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:54:32 -0800

I had requested ideas for Motorcycle names for a Blue bike.  Here are
some of the suggestons:

Flipper (maybe very appropriate for Seattle!)
Nordica
Tursiops truncatus  (suggestion of names from the book "Startide
Rising", by David Brin for Dolphins)
My Baby Blue
Midnight Sun
Full Moon
RELAXN (names suitable for License plates)
SMOOTH
KWIKLY
BEAMER
RAPID

I am still waering my thinking cap and pondering the imponderable...
Hmmm..   My kids were easier to name than this!  I appreciate all the
suggestions.   They expanded my thinking greatly.

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:46:05 -0900
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
Subject: PC800: Things are looking up.
Cc: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu

Oh what a wonderful day we are enjoying today.  The sun is shining brightly
-so much so that a pair of sunglases AND a dark faceshield would be
necessary because of the reflection from the snow and ice on the ground.
The temperature is 18 *F with reports of possible highs in the mid 20's for
the weekend.
We now have over 9 hours of daylight (as of today) and it is Friday!  I
will for sure be doing some riding this weekend :-)  Not on the PC,
however.  That day is still a month and a half away, give or take a week,
but beggars can't be choosy.  

Have a great weekend everyone!


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From: jpatton@neptune.connecti.com
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 20:16:17 -0600 (CST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

I am a "potential" PC owner.  I have my eye on a 89 w/ 14k miles...the guy
is asking about $3200.   From what I have seen, this is a decent price,
...does anyone have any recommendations of where to go from here??  


JPatton

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 23:12:57 -0500
From: Jason <Crazyapple@ibm.net>
To: jpatton@neptune.connecti.com
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Re: 

Sounds like an extremely good deal.  I would check a few specific things.
Around the back tire, both inside the trunk and outside, check to see if there
is any noticable wear from tire-rubbing.  This occured on some 89's and was
solved by using the correct tire (someone correct me if I'm wrong).  Another
issue had to do with the charging system.  If you can test the voltage while
the bike is running that would be good.  See if it's still the original
battery, if not, find out why it was replaced, how many times, and at what age
(if these are possible).  Open the fuel door both before and after running it
and see if the smell is much stronger.  The bike is so solid overall that
there's really not many problems it's susceptable to other than the normal
ones.

If you don't take it, let me know where it is so I can buy it.  :)

Jason Grant
94 PC

jpatton@neptune.connecti.com wrote:

> I am a "potential" PC owner.  I have my eye on a 89 w/ 14k miles...the guy
> is asking about $3200.   From what I have seen, this is a decent price,
> ...does anyone have any recommendations of where to go from here??
>
> JPatton



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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 20:06:32 -0600
From: Mike Ver Velde <m.vervelde@MCI2000.com>
Subject: PC800: Need a Voltmeter?
To: PC800 List <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
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Question for the group.
As far as I can tell (being the 3rd owner) my 89 has the original =
strator. Got 31300 miles on it.
Kimpex grip heaters use 12 volts each handlebar totaling 24 volts; =
Widder Electric Vest uses 12 volts.
There was one question about if a voltmeter should be installed in a =
previous posting which got me wondering with these electrical survival =
toys I added on.  Do I need to worry about monitoring the battery (I =
usually commute to work daily 70 miles one way)?  I plan to add a Kriss =
Modulating headlamp later.  While I have an Architecture degree and did =
construction, Im no electrical wiz- finally figuring out how to get the =
electric vest and grip wiring right was a big accomplishment for me. ha. =
 Thanks in advance for the advice.

Mike V
89 Moose

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 11:21:53 +0100
From: Nico van Leeuwen <nico.leeuwen@pi.net>
To: PC800 Listserve <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Rear wheel in trunk

Since three weeks I own a PC800 and it was great riding up until a few
days ago. What happened? I had a passenger and while riding everything
seemed to be allright and I noticed nothing peculiar. But when I came
home and opened the trunk: great damage!

Through the innerside of the left side of the trunk I could see the
tire!
Apparently the wheel had come through the trunk when riding. The tire
was an original Dunlop.

-    Is this phenoma a wellknown problem?
-    What causes this?
-    What must I do?

Who is familiar with this problem and can give me some good advice?

Nico van Leeuwen
The Netherlands

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Subject: Re: PC800: Things are looking up.
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 98 12:11:55 -0600
From: "Paul B. Atkins" <patkins@mari.net>
To: <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>, "pc 800 list" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>

Juan.
got your post on the list...I admire your optimism..I live in Northern 
Wisconsin and we are a bit closer to riding than you are, I think...it is 
about 35 degrees today and El Nino has provided a warm winter..looking 
forward to an early spring, I hope. 
I will be taking delivery of a "new" 96 PC in March..can't wait to ride 
it! Have a good weekend.
Paul
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Subject: PC800: Re: Things are looking up.
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 98 12:12:09 -0600
From: "Paul B. Atkins" <patkins@mari.net>
To: <dingle@thunderbird.auc.laurentian.ca>, "pc 800 list" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>

>Hey Juan!
>
>*South* of you (here in Sault Ste. Marie, NORTH Ontario), the weather has 
>been VERY weird of late.  We've had a straight week of at least 4 *C, and 
>the damned snow is melting.  For all fans of winter sports, it's been a 
>disaster!  We had to truck snow in for the ice sculptures for our winter 
>festival.  There's a 2,500 km snow machine race that starts here on 
>Saturday, and ends up in Quebec.  By the way snow's melting up here, it 
>should be changed to an enduro!  The snow thrower's wasting away, and I 
>keep looking at the roads trying to convince myself all the sand is gone 
>so I could maybe sneak one little ride in on the Interceptor.... :-)
>
>Guess I'll have to wait for May like the rest of the world...... :-(
>
>Paul
Ditto my letter to Juan, Paul..conditions are the same and I am about 4 
hours south of you!
Paul from Wisconsin
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From: Jim Randall <jrandall@tricon.net>
To: "'Nico van Leeuwen'" <nico.leeuwen@pi.net>
Cc: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: PC800: Rear wheel in trunk
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 15:59:46 -0500

Greetings Nico,

If your bike is an '89 model with the original equipment Dunlop K555 tire, 
(as sold in the United States) the problem is well known. It was corrected 
with the '90 and later models. If your bike is a newer model the problem could 
be the result replacing the standard rear tire with an incorrect size.

Regards,

Jim Randall
jrandall@tricon.net

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From:	Nico van Leeuwen [SMTP:nico.leeuwen@pi.net]
Sent:	Saturday, February 21, 1998 5:22 AM
To:	PC800 Listserve
Subject:	PC800: Rear wheel in trunk

Since three weeks I own a PC800 and it was great riding up until a few
days ago. What happened? I had a passenger and while riding everything
seemed to be allright and I noticed nothing peculiar. But when I came
home and opened the trunk: great damage!

Through the innerside of the left side of the trunk I could see the
tire!
Apparently the wheel had come through the trunk when riding. The tire
was an original Dunlop.

-    Is this phenoma a wellknown problem?
-    What causes this?
-    What must I do?

Who is familiar with this problem and can give me some good advice?

Nico van Leeuwen
The Netherlands

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:28:56 -0600
From: Mike Ver Velde <m.vervelde@MCI2000.com>
Subject: PC800: Re:
To: jpatton@neptune.connecti.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu

Bought my 89 in August with 21k miles. Paid $3100.  

Mike V
89 Moose
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From: jpatton@neptune.connecti.com <jpatton@neptune.connecti.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: Friday, February 20, 1998 10:44 PM


>I am a "potential" PC owner.  I have my eye on a 89 w/ 14k miles...the guy
>is asking about $3200.   From what I have seen, this is a decent price,
>...does anyone have any recommendations of where to go from here??  
>
>
>JPatton
>
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Date: 	Sat, 21 Feb 1998 20:15:36 -0500
From: Joe Beresford <cableguy@one.net>
To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: pc for sale-FYI

Hey Gang I saw a 90 with about 35k miles on it at the Honda Dealer in
Key West Fla,  last week guy said he was asking $3200.......
Fireman Joe
http://w3.one.net/~cableguy


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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 19:07:56 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <pilewis1@concentric.net>
To: PC800 Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: The Great Honda Pacific Coast 800/Pacific Coast meet in the year 2000

Hi Everybody!

Last week I sent a message to Stev