From: Johan Lai <jlai@css.filenet.com>
To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: PC800: Futuristic Bike
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 09:13:23 -0800

I've seen kit cars like this when I was in high school (1983 I think).  I remember
seeing an ad in a magzine for plans to build a three wheeled vehicle out of
a motocycle and a VW frontend.  Several years later, I saw a different version
of the three wheeled car on TV that someone actually built.  The physics of this
setup is quite impressive.  You can take a corner at high speed and not worry
about tipping over like traditional trikes.  The worse that could happen is you
spin around.  It would be interesting to try one out, though I probably wouldn't
own one.  Especially if it's built by Mercedes, I can't afford it.  That's why I
bought a PC! :)

Johan Lai
Orange, CA
'89 "Cassandra"

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Sent: 	Tuesday, December 30, 1997 7:19 PM
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Subject: 	PC800: Futuristic Bike

Yoo people,
		Thought this might interest you. Something new Mercedes-Benz is working on.

http://www.cnn.com/US/wheels/feature/index.html
http://www.mercedes-benz.com/e/innovation/fmobil/f300_mobilitaet.htm

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Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 17:26:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Nick Witzell <nick@boreas.whoi.edu>
To: PC800 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Sales BS (?) NOT


Honda Legal Eagles...
so sue (litigate) me...

=====================================================================

Few items are as gratifying to own as they are to use. A fine camera. A 
flawlessly crafted musical instrument.
	And now a motorcycle-
Honda's new Pacific Coast.TM
	Contemporary, visionary, refined-the same words that describe the 
Pacific Coast are appropriate descriptions of any masterpiece. Yet you'll 
find this most revolutionary motorcycle/s dramatic looks are matched by 
its impressive performance.
	And, just as the very best cameras make photography more 
enjoyable, you'll find the Pacific Coast will enhance your riding 
experience.
	No motorcycle has ever looked or performed like Honda's Pacific 
Coast. But then, no motorcycle was ever designed like this.

Happy, PC800,  New Year.

Nick

My 95PC800, black beauty... My favorite...
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From: timmacy@juno.com
 by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id AiW02214; Fri, 02 Jan 1998 00:44:49 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:35:35 -0800
Subject: Re: PC800: Seattle Motorcycle show mtg


On Wed, 31 Dec 1997 19:44:58 -0800 Bob Anundson <boba@teleport.com>
writes:
>Dave Gross wrote:
>> 
>> well...I'm sure the lines will be long, as usual!  We've got a big
group getting together >>at Cafe Veloce at 5pm...so why not all us PC
folks meet at the Honda area around >>noon?  Perhaps by the PC....

>Are you sure they will have a PC in the Honda booth. Anyway I will be
there unless >something unexpected happens.

Well, they had a PC in the Honda booth last year at least.  Bryce and I
were standing by the PC when three guys came up and started asking
questions about it. By the time Bryce and I were done with them, I think
at least one of the guys was thinking about buying it! We're still
waiting for our commission from Honda.......

Hey, Bob, are you riding up or going with the RCMC vans? I'm gonna ride
up, but I'm not sure when I'm getting away. I'll try'n be at the Honda
booth at noon; if not, I'll catch Cafe Veloce at 5PM. (Hey, Dave or Steve
or Bryce or anyone Seattle-related...wanta give me the address?) 

Anyone from Alaska showing up this year?


Tim Macy
Portland, OR
'94 PC - 64,636 Miles Of Smiles

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in our air and water that are doing it."   -- Former Vice President Dan
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From: timmacy@juno.com
 by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id AiX02214; Fri, 02 Jan 1998 00:44:49 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:36:53 -0800
Subject: PC800: Polar Bears In The Rain...

As is traditional with many parts of the US, there's a Polar Bear Ride in
Portland every January Onest. As is traditional with almost every Polar
Bear Ride in Portland, it was raining. I had some errands to run in the
morning, so I took the Stealth. I got back home about 11:30AM, and signup
for the Ride closed at noon, so I decided to run out there since the
forecast was for the rain to turn to showers by early afternoon. Nan
wasn't thrilled with my decision, as she was looking for aid in packing
Christmas away, so I promised to help clean up when I got home later. 

There are three routes--Papa Bear (108 miles), Mama Bear (56 miles), and
Baby Bear (15 miles). Needless to say, I chose Papa Bear. I always like
taking the Polar Bear Ride because it originates and ends on the east
side of Portland and I don't ride over in the foothills of the Cascades
as much as I'd like. The PBR usually takes me on unfamiliar roads, which
is always a nice experience.

Unfortunately, however, at one point in the ride, well into some very
mountainous and beautiful country, I made the mistake of following about
six other riders as they took a left turn. It didn't feel right to me,
but I did it anyway. How could six people be wrong?  (Many of you are
smirking at this moment.....) After about 10 miles (and long after I had
passed them) I realized that I was definitely on the wrong course. So I
turned around and retraced my steps. As I was getting back on-course, the
other six errant riders went past me, so they must have been totally
confused when they saw me heading back from whence we had come. 

And, due to the fact that it was now pissing down rain (so much for the
weather forecast) and I had lost the thinsulate liner in my left glove
(so much for dry hands), I decided to rename my portion of the ride the
Grizzly Bear (Papa Bear With An Attitude). Once I got back on track, the
last 50 miles took me through some gorgeous country that was new to me.
Gee, I'll have to re-ride this route some day when I can actually see
something!

The ride ended at a pizza parlor, but I decided to forego the pleasure of
hot food and warm surroundings, since I had promised Nan. Actually, I
told her that I wasn't going to take the long route, so I figured I'd
better scoot home. Pulled in at 3:30PM. 200 miles total on the day. Not
bad for such crappy weather.....

Oh, yeah. About a mile from home I realized that my turn blinker had not
self-cancelled. It also stopped blinking. A check of all of the lights
indicated no burnouts, so I can only assume that I have a problem in my
Turn Signal Cancel control Unit. Any thoughts, gang? (Something's nagging
at me about this like I should know what caused it....but I can't put my
finger on it...)


Tim Macy
Portland, OR
'94 PC - 64,636 Miles Of Smiles

"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment.  It's the impurities
in our air and water that are doing it."   -- Former Vice President Dan
Quayle
 
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Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 00:34:20 -0700
From: Dave Gross <dkgross@halcyon.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: for Mark Skrocki

hey bro...haven't been able to reach you by email..you still there??
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From: pckwong@hkusua.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: PC800: Bike mount cellular interfaces
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 17:02:53 +0800 (HKT)

Hi PCers and Wingers!
 
I recalled few months ago, a rider mentioned a manufacturer doing
bike mount cellular interfaces for different brands and models, and I
did visit their website.  The company called Kennedy Technology,
Kenneth, or whatever, can't recall the name and their URL.

Could anybody point me to the right place please?  Thanks in advanced!

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From: "PCN" <hpcn@writeme.com>
To: "PC800 e-mail group" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Happy New Year
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 12:02:51 +0100



Members and board of MV Pacific Coast Netherlands whishing all of you a =
very Happy New Year and lots of save miles for 1998.
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We also would like to let you know that our homepage has been renewed. =
Please visit our site and let us know what you think about it. Our site =
can be found on:=20
http://www.pi.net/~niessing/pcn
=20
In the past, some of you send pictures to Pacific Coast Netherlands =
(Gerard Diepeveen was webmaster for Pacific Coast Netherlands at that =
time) and these pictures are still on our site. Perhaps some of you =
don't want their pictures on our site any more, please let us know and =
the pictures will be removed. The pictures can be found on: =
http://www.pi.net/~niessing/pcn/pictures.htm
=20
For our next issue of our magazine Pacific Post and for our site, we are =
looking for some PC800 pictures. If you have any pictures you want to =
share with us, please send them (if possible in JPG-format). Our e-mail =
address: hpcn@writeme.com

Silvonton Niessing
MV Pacific Coast Netherlands

pictures to=20
Pacific Coast Netherlands (Gerard Diepeveen was webmaster for Pacific =
Coast=20
Netherlands at that time) and these pictures are still on our site. =
Perhaps some=20
of you don't want their pictures on our site any more, please let us =
know and=20
the pictures will be removed. The pictures can be found on: </FONT><FONT =

color=3D#000000 face=3D"Times New Roman"><A=20
href=3D"http://www.pi.net/~niessing/pcn/pictures.htm">http://www.pi.net/~=
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">For our next issue of our magazine =
Pacific=20
Post and for our site, we are looking for some PC800 pictures. If you =
have any=20
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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 07:51:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Nick Witzell <nick@boreas.whoi.edu>
To: PC800 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Sales BS (?) NOT

Tim,

> Well put, Nick! Bravo!

That PC800 description is from an old Honda Sales brochure.

Not my words, just how I feel.

That is why the slightly tongue in cheek challenge to honda, as they 
might feel the need to protect their words.

Nick


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From: atelierp@xs4all.be
Subject: PC800: PC800 (RC34) Owner's manual
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 98 18:27:21 +0200
To: "pc800mailto" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>

Dear bikers, PC800 lovers...
M'best friend,proud owner of a 2hand cream-colored PC800(RC34) '94?
would be very happy with a copy of the 'Owner's (read Service) manuel.
Can't find it on the net! Somewhere on the MajordomoPC800 list?
He would be very suprised if it would fall out of SPACE/ Curious myself/

Thanks in advance. 

W.Branders/Belgium/Brussels/jan.02,98    By the way: HAPPY '98/ AND A LOT 
OF MILES

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Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 18:56:18 -0800
From: frans klaus <Frans.Klaus@net.HCC.nl>
To: atelierp@xs4all.be
CC: pc800mailto <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 (RC34) Owner's manual

atelierp@xs4all.be wrote:
> 
> Dear bikers, PC800 lovers...
> M'best friend,proud owner of a 2hand cream-colored PC800(RC34) '94?
> would be very happy with a copy of the 'Owner's (read Service) manuel.
> Can't find it on the net! Somewhere on the MajordomoPC800 list?
> He would be very suprised if it would fall out of SPACE/ Curious myself/
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> W.Branders/Belgium/Brussels/jan.02,98    By the way: HAPPY '98/ AND A LOT
> OF MILES
> 
> atelierp@xs4all.be
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I was faced with the same problem, a PC800 (1989) without manual. I
wrote to Honda Nederland B.V. and got the message that I could order it
at any dutch Honda dealer  under itemnumber 31mr5620 (for the 1994
model, 1989 not available any more). That is how I got it in the
Netherlands.
Good luck

frans
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From: "Fireman Joe" <cableguy@one.net>
To: "Bev Carr" <wdc1c1@aol.com>
Cc: "Robbie & Jeff Moertle" <jl_moertle@msn.com>,
        "Rose Freibert" <FREIBERTR@cintasmail.com>,
        "Russ Slagle" <uscowboy@one.net>, "Sandy Rodriguez" <SalsaTwo@aol.com>,
        "Mike Hunter" <midnite765@aol.com>, "Cecil Dennis" <dls01@juno.com>,
        "CB-750 List" <cb750@canadaweb.com>,
        "PC800 Listservice" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>,
        "Dan Beresford" <SherpaDan@aol.com>
Subject: PC800: Fw: Brain teaser
Date: 	Fri, 2 Jan 1998 22:28:06 -0500

Ok ya'll Here's a brain thingy I found in a Newsgroup 

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From: Alfredo 
Newsgroups: onenet.chat
Date: Monday, 29 December, 1997 11:57 PM
Subject: Brain teaser


>The following brain teaser was given to me by my brother
>over Christmas. I have no idea where it came from but
>thought some of the readers of this group might enjoy it. I
>would enjoy hearing from anyone that is able to solve it. It
>took me about 6 hours to come up with the correct answer.
>
>---------------------------START----------------------------
>
>A census taker approaches a house and asks the woman who
>answers the door,"How many children do you have, and what
>are their ages?"
>
>Woman: "I have three children, the product of their ages are
>36, the sum of  their ages are equal to the address of the
>house next door."
>
>The census taker walks next door, comes back and says, "I
>need more information."
>
>The woman replies, "I have to go, my oldest child is
>sleeping upstairs."
>
>Census taker: "Thank you, I have everything I need."
>
>----------------------------END-----------------------------
>
>Question: What are the ages of each of the three children?
>
>
>
>
>NOTE: Everything you need to solve this puzzle has been
>      given, no other information is needed (or will be
>      provided.) When you have the correct answer, you will
>      absolutely know you are right. If you are not sure, you
>      have not solved the puzzle.
>
>
>
>

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From: "Fireman Joe" <cableguy@one.net>
To: "Dan Beresford" <SherpaDan@aol.com>
Cc: "Sandy Rodriguez" <SalsaTwo@aol.com>, "Russ Slagle" <uscowboy@one.net>,
        "Rose Freibert" <FREIBERTR@cintasmail.com>,
        "Ron Vance" <inheat@hotmail.com>,
        "Robbie & Jeff Moertle" <jl_moertle@msn.com>,
        "PC800 Listservice" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>,
        "CB-750 List" <cb750@canadaweb.com>,
        "Brad Hall" <hallbh@UCBEH.SAN.UC.EDU>, "Bev Carr" <wdc1c1@aol.com>
Subject: PC800: Fw: Brain Teaser 2
Date: 	Fri, 2 Jan 1998 22:32:54 -0500

Ok gang here's another fowrded message...now for you motorcyclists... has
this ever happened ...know we know why they charge us such exuberant rates
for a room...

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From: Angel
Newsgroups: onenet.chat
Date: Tuesday, 30 December, 1997 10:04 PM
Subject: Brain Teaser 2


>Since we're on a number's game mode try this on for size.
>This is an oldie but a goody.
>
>Three guys go to a hotel and get a room.
>The manager charges them $30.
>Each man pays 10 dollars.
>Later the manager realizes he overcharged the men.
>The room was only $25.
>He gives the bell boy 5 one dollar bills and asks him to give it to the
>three men.
>On the way to the room the bell boy can't figure out how to divide the $5
>dollars by three
>He gives each man a dollar and pockets the other two.
>
>So, each man now paid $9 for the room.
>The bellboy has 2 dollars.
>
>9 x 3 = 27 plus 2 = 29
>
>What happened to the other dollar?
>
>If you know it keep it to yourself for a day. :-)
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From: "Tim M" <bumfuct@hotmail.com>
To: SherpaDan@aol.com, cableguy@one.net
Cc: SalsaTwo@aol.com, uscowboy@one.net, FREIBERTR@cintasmail.com,
        inheat@hotmail.com, jl_moertle@msn.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu,
        cb750@canadaweb.com, hallbh@UCBEH.SAN.UC.EDU, wdc1c1@aol.com
Subject: PC800: Brain Teaser 3
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 02:12:54 PST

This was supposedly an actual interview question from Microsoft...

You enter a house you've never been in before. You see three light 
switches on the ground floor that control three lamps in three rooms on 
the second floor. You cannot see any of the lamps from the ground floor, 
and you are alone. When you are upstairs, you cannot see any more than 
one lamp at a time from any position.

How do you determine which switch activates which lamp in just one trip 
upstairs?

Cheers, and Hapy New Year!

Tim M
Portland, OR

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To: cableguy@one.net, bumfuct@hotmail.com
From: "Gregg L. DesElms" <deselms@royal.net>
Subject: PC800: Brainteasers, jokes and other such stuff
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:18:59 -0500


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To:  Fireman Joe and Tim M
cc:  The PC800 List Server

Hey, fellas...

Could we please not post to the PC800 list forwarded, "broadcast" messages
from newsgroups (or, really, any similar sources) containing brainteasers,
jokes or any other severely off-topic stuff?  

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be an "on-topic purist" or anything
here.  It's not like we never go off-topic on this list.  And, as I've
written here before, that's cool occasionally.  We've all done it and
sometimes it's even necessasry in order to make a point that *is* on-topic.
And I realize that neither of you guys have any ill-will or malicious intent
by your postings.  They're clearly good natured and, perhaps to some, even
interesting and fun.  And I can appreciate that.  

But the Internet, by design, is a "when-I-want-it-I'll-go-get-it-myself"
medium (unless one has signed-up with a "push" content provider of some
sort).  When I signed-up for the PC800 list, the only thing I agreed to have
pushed at me was PC800-related (or at the very least motorcycling-related)
stuff.

So, please, guys...  either stop this thread altogether -- at least on this
list -- or if you wish to continue it, please at least delete this list's
address (pc800@hpc.uh.edu) from the list of e-mail addresses to which you
guys are sending or copying this stuff back and forth.

Thanks.  Sorry to be such a scrooge.  


Gregg DesElms
deselms@royal.net
'89 PC800



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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 12:09:06 -0800
To: "Gregg L. DesElms" <deselms@royal.net>, cableguy@one.net,
        bumfuct@hotmail.com
From: John Shier <jshier@netnet.net>
Subject: PC800: Re:January in Wisconsin
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

Greetings,

My first posting to the PC800 gang.  I live in Green Bay and, miracle of
miracles I am riding on January 3.  It has been a most remarkable Winter
with only a few days opn which I have not been able to ride because of ice.
 I could get really used to this. 

Am riding an '89 which I purchased new.  Daily commutes plus the greatest
cross-county to New York, Detroit, and other spots made even more wonderful
by reason of arriving on my PC800.

I have thirty-thousand on the machine.  When should I plan for major engine
work?  I lube every 3,000 and do the routine maintenance as suggested in
the manual. 

Enjoy the group very much. Enjoy the bike even more.

Happy New Year to all.
John

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From: "Fireman Joe" <cableguy@one.net>
To: "PC800 Listservice" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Cc: "Fred Schmidt" <fred.schmidt@tfd.org>, "CB-750 List" <cb750@canadaweb.com>,
        "Sandy Rodriguez" <SalsaTwo@aol.com>, "Russ Slagle" <uscowboy@one.net>,
        "Rose Freibert" <FREIBERTR@cintasmail.com>,
        "Ron Vance" <inheat@hotmail.com>,
        "Thor 'Ronnie' Thelasname" <thor13@mindspring.com>,
        "Doug Wothke" <dwothke@ro.com>, "Doug Goens" <dratsab@one.net>,
        "Cecil Dennis" <dls01@juno.com>, "Brad Hall" <hallbh@UCBEH.SAN.UC.EDU>
Subject: PC800: Fw: Sad news.... About Big John- Fireman Joe's DAD...
Date: 	Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:53:00 -0500




Dear friends....
  A sad momment has come in my life, at  13:10 hours EST. this date= Sat
the 3rd O f Jan. 1998. 
My father passed away @ home, Some of you knew my dad only as the guy that
chased the ALASKA group up the Alcan ,In his 21 foot RV. The group that
shared the treasure of a lifetime trip got to know my dad in unique way,
Some of you recently met him in Texas as he celebrated his 80th birthday
with us at the Texas Hill ride in November. 

I can/t emphasis enough at this momment about the value of the club we all
share, The Honda Sport Touring Association.... Cause had it not been for
this club and some great folks like Ron and Moose who helpped gudie us
along... I would not have the best memory of my dad's and mine's life....
Truly a monumental event took place. And had it not been for the HSTA the
past 5 yrs or so. would not have been. 

When Dad an I returned from the Hill country, we took him to the doctor
with what we thouhgt was pnumonia again, however After beeing admittted to
the Hospital the day before thankgiving, 2 weeks later we found that lung
cancer had developed quite rapidly and chewed up his right lung. We brought
dad home from the hospital around the 15th, and Hospice  got involved, we
wanted to keep dad at home where he would be the most happy, the disease
process we found out was going to be quick. earlier this week we had
started to give morphine every 2 hours. And he stopped eating and taking
fluids.... 

Arrrangments are being made this evening, tenativly we are going for a
Monday Night Visitattion and a Tuesday Morning Mass of Christian Burial.. 
      Quentin K. Staley Funeral Home
      7140 Plainfield Rd
      Deer Park, Ohio 45236
      513-791-9357

I will post if there is any changes... Please direct any calls for further
Info and or directions to 
My good friend and longtime riding companion
Daryl Cassada @ 513-739-1511

Sincerly
Fireman Joe Beresford
Cincinnati , OH



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Subject: PC800: Re: Brainteasers, jokes and other such stuff
From: Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: 03 Jan 1998 17:01:42 -0600
Lines: 48

>>>>> "GLD" == Gregg L DesElms <deselms@royal.net> writes:

GLD> Could we please not post to the PC800 list forwarded, "broadcast"
GLD> messages from newsgroups (or, really, any similar sources) containing
GLD> brainteasers, jokes or any other severely off-topic stuff?

I must concur.  I have received several complaints privately regarding
several kinds of transgressions of basic etiquette here.  I understand the
drive for community, friendship, togetherness, etc., but the on-topic
traffic here is high enough to maintain community without interjecting any
filler.  In fact the traffic (with included filler) has driven several
people to leave because they cannot keep up with the volume of text
generated.

To review, etiquette generally dictates the following:

Please keep your messages on topic.  Conduct off-topic or private
discussions in private mail as much as possible.  If people are really
interested, post a summary.  Note that "on-topic" is a rather vague
measure; please just try to use good judgment.

If you're going to crosspost (mail a message to several mailing lists),
please be careful to make certain that your message is appropriate for all
of the places that it's going.  Direct replies to the most appropriate
list.  Note that some lists do not allow messages from non-subscribers, so
replies by members of one list can be greeted by rude "not a subscriber"
messages generated by the other lists.  (The ST1100 list used to do this.)
Even worse, some lists auto-subscribe new posters, so that a seemingly
harmless reply can end up subscribing someone without them wanting it.

Use signatures of no more than four lines.

Avoid excessive quoting; do not quote a message in its entirety to add a
couple of lines).  If your additions (not including your signature) amount
to less than half of the size of your message, please think about what
you're doing.

Under no circumstances ever include HTML versions of your messages, images,
binaries, MS-TNEF attachments or anything else of that sort.  If you want
to make images available to the list members, you can put them in the
/pub/incoming/pc800 directory at ftp.hpc.uh.edu and tell me they're there.

At times the list server catches some of these transgressions and tosses
them in the trash.  If you notice that you don't get a copy of one of your
messages back, that's why.  In the future I intend to increase the
strictness of the checks.

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From: "Fireman Joe" <cableguy@one.net>
To: "CB-750 List" <cb750@canadaweb.com>
Cc: "PC800 Listservice" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>,
        "Robbie & Jeff Moertle" <jl_moertle@msn.com>,
        "Thor 'Ronnie' Thelasname" <thor13@mindspring.com>,
        "TBAA List" <tbaangel@execpc.com>,
        "Sandy Rodriguez" <SalsaTwo@aol.com>, "Russ Slagle" <uscowboy@one.net>,
        "Rose Freibert" <FREIBERTR@cintasmail.com>,
        "Ron Vance" <inheat@hotmail.com>,
        "Fred Schmidt" <fred.schmidt@tfd.org>, "Doug Wothke" <dwothke@ro.com>,
        "Doug Goens" <dratsab@one.net>
Subject: PC800: Fw: Services schedule--- Fireman's Dad
Date: 	Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:33:30 -0500




Ok folks we originally thought it might be a mon/tues thing but due to
Church availabilty...

Services for my dad:

Visitation Tuesday eve(6th) from 6p-8pm EST at
Quentin K. Staley Funeral Home
      7140 Plainfield Rd
      Deer Park, Ohio 45236
      513-791-9357

Burial Mass will be Wed at 10am EST @
St. Johns Church
(across from the funeral home)

And Grave side at 
Gate Of Heaven Cemetary
I-275 and Montgomery Roads 
(just ne of I-71 and 275)


. Please direct any calls for further Info and or directions to 
My good friend and longtime riding companion
Daryl Cassada @ 513-739-1511

Sincerly
Fireman Joe Beresford
Cincinnati , OH


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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:51:52 -0500
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Francois Saint Laurent <fsl@borgconsulting.com>
Subject: PC800: Intercom with Cell phone interface

Hi everyone.

A few days ago, someone (I can't remember who, sorry)  asked about
intercomm systems or some other type of audio interface for cell phones for
motorcyclists.  I have also been looking for something along these lines,
and found an intercom system that may just do this. It is made by Autocom,
and I found the ad in the December 1997 issue of Rider magazine (page 29).
Their web page is at http://www.autocom.co.uk/index.htm .  They also list a
toll free number, 888-851-GEAR .

For those who may be interested, they have an intercomm for driver to
passenger communications, with an optional plug in lead for a walkman, and
also a plug in lead for analog cell phones. Wait..it gets better. There
products use a 9V battery, but if you want to have a more permanent
installation, they sell an adaptor that has two output power leads. One is
9V, for their products, the other is a 3V output lead, common to most
portable CD players.

They seem to have a well designed, full featured product.  It offers VOX, a
microphone-off switch for receiving only, and an ambient noise sensor that
automatically adjusts the volume to the surrounding noise.

Does anyone on this list have any experience with this name brand of
intercom systems? I would appreciate any and all feedback, either direct or
to the list.

Thanks everyone...and Happy New Year !

fsl  :-)

(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)

Francois Saint Laurent 	'95 PC800
Ottawa, Canada		Waltzing Matilda

 	HSTA Member Number 7470

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From: "A.T. Green" <atg@technologist.com>
To: <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Hello's and Handgrip's
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:41:21 -0800

Group,

Just came back to the list. .

1. Yes, I've read the archives :-) - Please don't flame me if the answers I
seek are contained therein. :-)

2. I want to thank all for the archive info on VistaCruise. I bought the
Yamaha basic version and all I had to do was file the tang down. But, right
now, before screwing it into the cover, it is too snug to function properly

3. The archives talk about removing grips. I just wanted to know if there
is anything I can mess up by removing the grip other than the grip itself??

4. Finally, any opinions pro/con on remvoing the grips via the
hairdryer/screwdriver/WD-40 method, or should I just cut some grip off the
inside section?


Thanks Ya'll!

Drew Green
Everett, WA
'94 / 20,400
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From: JTSMCRIDER <JTSMCRIDER@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 23:36:52 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Re:January in Wisconsin

Hi, John:

Welcome. Glad you are having riding weather in January.

About the only thing you should plan on is to keep changing the oil regularly
and riding it.  At 30K, you should be no where near major engine work.
However, with an '89 you should start keeping a weather eye on the state of
the charging system.  Many of us with '89s have experienced a failure of the
alternator stator, and 30K seems to be a common problem point in this regard.
Mine went at 32K.  Since there is no indicator light to warn you of such a
failure; your first indication is usually difficulty in starting due to low
battery voltage.  Some have installed voltmeters and/or ammeters to keep a
check on things, but as a minimum, I'd throw a voltmeter on it once in a while
to make sure the thing is charging OK.  Other than that, you should have no
problems for quite some time.

Take care,

JT
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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 20:38:12 -0600
From: Mike Ver Velde <m.vervelde@MCI2000.com>
Subject: PC800: Kimpex Grip Heaters
To: PC800 List <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
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Hey- Did you see the Product Report in the new January issue of MCN =
regarding the Kimpex Grip Heaters?
For those who didnt- they are grip heaters that wrap around and stick to =
the bar under the handgrips, with a Hi/off/low switch.

Designed primarily for snowmobiling- you can find it on the web at =
Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse- look under the snowmobile accessories =
section. =20

Report in MCN sounds good, wondering if anyone has them or has tried it? =
 Im interested in getting them- didnt want to be all wired up to the =
bike with electric gloves...  Nice alternative to the Electric Grips due =
to the price- $16.99!

If nobody has experience with this- I plan to order them and then I'll =
report it back here.

Mike Ver Velde
89 PC and still ridin'

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 21:18:56 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <pilewis1@concentric.net>
To: Fireman Joe <cableguy@one.net>
CC: PC800 Listservice <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>, Fred Schmidt <fred.schmidt@tfd.org>,
        CB-750 List <cb750@canadaweb.com>, Sandy Rodriguez <SalsaTwo@aol.com>,
        Russ Slagle <uscowboy@one.net>,
        Rose Freibert <FREIBERTR@cintasmail.com>,
        Ron Vance <inheat@hotmail.com>,
        "Thor 'Ronnie' Thelasname" <thor13@mindspring.com>,
        Doug Wothke <dwothke@ro.com>, Doug Goens <dratsab@one.net>,
        Cecil Dennis <dls01@juno.com>, Brad Hall <hallbh@UCBEH.SAN.UC.EDU>
Subject: Re: PC800: Fw: Sad news.... About Big John- Fireman Joe's DAD...

Our thoughts and prayers are with you at this sad time.

May God Bless and comfort you and your family at this time, especially,
and all the days of your lives.

Phil
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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 22:06:28 -0800
From: Alan Taylor <ka2wij@earthlink.net>
To: "A.T. Green" <atg@technologist.com>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Hello's and Handgrip's



A.T. Green wrote:

> Group,
>
> Just came back to the list. .
>
> 1. Yes, I've read the archives :-) - Please don't flame me if the answers I
> seek are contained therein. :-)
>
> 2. I want to thank all for the archive info on VistaCruise. I bought the
> Yamaha basic version and all I had to do was file the tang down. But, right
> now, before screwing it into the cover, it is too snug to function properly
>
> 3. The archives talk about removing grips. I just wanted to know if there
> is anything I can mess up by removing the grip other than the grip itself??

There is a plastic sleeve under the grip that the grip sticks to. that's about
it. If you elect to cut instead of pry, watch your depth.

> 4. Finally, any opinions pro/con on remvoing the grips via the
> hairdryer/screwdriver/WD-40 method, or should I just cut some grip off the
> inside section?

You may find yourself having to take some off anyway because the grip is just
plain too long to work with the vista cruise. If you do, the middle is the best
place to do it so you can keep the flange. Since you'll have to break the
adhesive to slide the sections together anyway, you may as well remove them
first, then cut.

You might also consider junking the stock grips and replacing them with foam
grips. They are less slippery when wet, and have a slightly wider diameter,
making for a more comfortable hold. They also absorb some of the road shock. i
wouldn't go back to the originals for anything.

> Alan Taylor

95 PC800 "Midnight"Long Beach, CA

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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 04:47:59 -0500
From: Mike <bgarden@ibm.net>
To: Francois Saint Laurent <fsl@borgconsulting.com>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Intercom with Cell phone interface



Francois Saint Laurent wrote:

> Does anyone on this list have any experience with this name brand of
> intercom systems? I would appreciate any and all feedback, either direct or
> to the list.

I have used a product called Chatter Box ( Model HJC-80 ) for about 5 years it
has almost all the bells/whisles as the make/model you talked about. ( Minus
Cell Phone adopt )

It also has the ability to transmit 3/4 mile to another unit. So not only can
you talk Driver to Passenger but Bike to Bike.

Power is 12 volts DC, So it hooks right up to the Bike.

I heard there is a Newer Model out but I don't know the specs.

Mike
PC800 '94 / 12,300

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From: "Mark Lucas" <mjlucas@earthlink.net>
To: "PC800 Mailing List" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Rattling Dash
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 05:24:40 -0800

Hey guys,

I had my dash off to install some speakers and now that I have it back on,
it rattles.  I've taken back off and put it on again, thinking that maybe I
missed something simple, but no, the tabs seem to be in place and the screws
are tight.  The rattle is coming from the lower center.  If I put my hand on
it when it's rattling, it stops.  Although this *is* a solution, I don't
think it's the safest way to ride!  Opinions?

Peace,
Mark Lucas
http://home.earthlink.net/~mjlucas

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From: "Mark Lucas" <mjlucas@earthlink.net>
To: "PC800 Mailing List" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Rattling Dash
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 07:05:47 -0800

Got my speakers from a fellow PC rider on the list.  Taking just the dash
off to install the speakers was a breeze.  Snap out the two small covers
under the speaker cutouts, take out the screws, and snap out the dash.  Now,
if you want to take off the entire front faring.....YECH!  Lots o' screws
and lots o' plastic.  But you probably can run the wires for the speakers
without all that work.  If you find speakers the right size, they will fit
right in, there are mounting holes, etc.  The ones I got fit like they were
made.  They were Sony speakers.

Don't have a radio yet.  Aerostich suit is first, but I was going over the
bike, had all the plastic off and, well, might as well get those speakers in
while I could.  Looking at a marine radio, like for a boat.  Nothing
definite in mind yet.  I'll see what I find.

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From: Mike <bgarden@ibm.net>
To: Mark Lucas <mjlucas@earthlink.net>
Date: Sunday, January 04, 1998 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: PC800: Rattling Dash


>I've been think of Installing a Radio and Speakers on My PC800..
>
>How hard was it to break the dash down and where did you get speakers to
fit,
>Did you need a mounting Kit? What kinda radio?
>
>Thanks
>Mike
>PC800 '94


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From: JBLAV <JBLAV@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:47:16 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Lighting

Has anyone ever heard of a light bulb for motorcycles called the Blue Max. or
Blue Night? I saw one the other day from a distance of atleast 3 miles on a
straight highway. The light appeared to be blue. It was very impressive. I was
just wondering where i could get my hands on one.

Jim/ Key Largo FL
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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 11:11:18 -0800
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Greg Chambers <greg501@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: PC800: Handlebar weights

The end of my left grip felt spongy the other day, and when I took a look I
noticed a missing weight (and screw).  Hard to imagine, but I guess it just
fell off.  I must confess that I don't recall checking the tightness of the
handlebar weight screws as a regular part of my pre-flight...I guess I
should have.  Needless to say, I am in mortal fear of asking the Honda
dealer how much they are, but I will anyway.  In the meantime, I notice no
change in riding characteristics.  Anybody know what those weights are
supposed to do for me?  Thanks.  

Greg Chambers

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From: "Fireman Joe" <cableguy@one.net>
To: "CB-750 List" <cb750@canadaweb.com>
Cc: "PC800 Listservice" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: EXCUUSEE me Jokess
Date: 	Sun, 4 Jan 1998 06:28:31 -0500



Ok gang sorry about the joke thing...with all this bad weather going on =
it's just PMS!!!!-Parked Motor Syndrome
It's tough being stuck inside during bad weather, and excuse the fact I =
been staying home non stop since bringing my dad home from the hospital =
to care for him...so I was trying to pass the time with my computer.....
I thought we could all use a quick laugh.... I know the volume of email =
we all receive is flooded with other junk like how to get rich quick an =
stuff... I enjoy the post's from the different motorcycle types out =
there, it's as varied as the bikes we ride, and the style we ride...(the =
ride at your pace theme)  I will refrain from passing on any more =
jokes...now that I am no longer a prisoner in my home...I won't be =
playing with the computer that much and may finally get time to tear =
apart one of my bikes...since it needs a steering bearing job, fork =
seals..and I guess I'll do brakes too....

Hope some of you can attend one of the many Int shows see: =
http://www.advanstar-expos.com/powersports/   that will be traveling =
around the us....I hope to make it to Cleveland at the end of the month =
...
May the good lord watch over all of you as you ride and keep you safe..

Life is short---Go ride!
Joe Beresford/CINCINNATI, OH USA!!!/
Guzzidoug's Motorcycle Stuff "I'll Club A Seal, To Make A Deal" =
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/1696
Ohio H.S.T.A. http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~bcd/oh-hsta/
Honda Sport Touring Assoc. http://members.aol.com/hstawww
Pacific Coast 800 http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800/

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From: "Vincent Santamaria" <vsantamaria@worldnet.att.net>
To: <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Handlebar weights
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:33:12 -0500

Greg,
I think that the handlebar weights are suppost to reduce the vibration that
you feel in the handlebars. The weights are available in the after market
if Honda's price is too high.
 Vince in Fort Myers,FL
----------
> change in riding characteristics.  Anybody know what those weights are
> supposed to do for me?  Thanks.  

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From: "Vincent Santamaria" <vsantamaria@worldnet.att.net>
To: <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Hello's and Handgrip's
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:36:31 -0500

A.T.,
A shot of compressed air between the grips and the handle bars  will
usually loosen them up. Makes installing real easy also
Vince in Fort Myers 

----------

> 
> 3. The archives talk about removing grips. I just wanted to know if there
> is anything I can mess up by removing the grip other than the grip
itself??
> 
> 4. Finally, any opinions pro/con on remvoing the grips via the
> hairdryer/screwdriver/WD-40 method, or should I just cut some grip off
the

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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 17:41:23 -0500
From: Hal MacDonald <halmm@idirect.com>
To: Greg Chambers <greg501@ix.netcom.com>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Handlebar weights

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Hi Gregg;

I am surprised that there is not a lot of head shake with the bar weight
missing, and also that it is not buzzy on the hands. I think that there
is a Throttlemeister unit available for the PC800, and they come with a
matching non throttle bar weight. You probably would pay the same for
the whole Throttlemeister unit as you would for a single OEM weight from
Honda. Another route would be to get a weight from someone who has
installed their cruise control. I have one on my ST1100 and it is _FAR_
superior to the vista cruise. It is adjustable while you are riding to
apply a little to locked friction depending on what you want. The
quality of workmanship is great and I have no complaints about my unit.
(I have no interest in Throttlemeister, just my $.02 worth)
Best of luck and use locktite (blue 242) when installing the bar end
units.

Hal MacDonald 
Ajax Ont., Canada.

Greg Chambers wrote:
> 
> The end of my left grip felt spongy the other day, and when I took a look I
> noticed a missing weight (and screw).  Hard to imagine, but I guess it just
> fell off.  I must confess that I don't recall checking the tightness of the
> handlebar weight screws as a regular part of my pre-flight...I guess I
> should have.  Needless to say, I am in mortal fear of asking the Honda
> dealer how much they are, but I will anyway.  In the meantime, I notice no
> change in riding characteristics.  Anybody know what those weights are
> supposed to do for me?  Thanks.
> 
> Greg Chambers
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From: timmacy@juno.com
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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:58:19 -0800
Subject: Re: PC800: Lighting


On Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:47:16 EST JBLAV <JBLAV@aol.com> writes:
>Has anyone ever heard of a light bulb for motorcycles called the Blue
Max. or Blue >Night? I saw one the other day from a distance of atleast 3
miles on a straight >highway. The light appeared to be blue. It was very
impressive. I was just wondering >where i could get my hands on one.

Are they legal?

Tim Macy
Portland, OR
'94 PC - 64,642 Miles Of Smiles

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From: timmacy@juno.com
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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:06:38 -0800
Subject: PC800: ??What??

On Sat, 03 Jan 1998 02:12:54 PST "Tim M" <bumfuct@hotmail.com> writes:

(Text Omitted)

>Tim M
>Portland, OR

I was perusing my mail when I saw the post from Gregg DesElms requesting
that Fireman Joe and I please cease and desist with the "Brain Teaser"
thread. This caught me up short because I had no idea what Gregg was
talking about. So I found the post that he had referred to and was
totally blown away because....

THAT POST DID NOT COME FROM ME!!!!!!!

Someone has set up an account with Hotmail.com and is using "Tim M,
Portland, OR" as a signature line. I, for one, do not think that this is
coincidental. Whoever it is, I don't think that it's funny at all and can
only say KNOCK IT THE HELL OFF!

Not only do I think that this isn't funny, but I also think that whatever
jerk set this account up as "bumfuct" used extremely poor taste. So if
there are any more posts from this jerk, I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM.

JT, I'm not sure if you can block these posts, but I sure would
appreciate it if you could.

REALLY Pissed in Portland,

Tim
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From: BernieK469 <BernieK469@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 19:32:06 EST
To: halmm@idirect.com, greg501@ix.netcom.com
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re:  Re: PC800: Handlebar weights

I have a Throttle Meister on my 94 PC.  It is an excellent investment if 
you are planning to do any  long distance riding.  I don't think it is 
any more effective than the Vista Cruise version, but it will last a lot 
longer and it looks a lot better.

Bernie
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Subject: PC800: Re: ??What??
From: Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: 04 Jan 1998 18:48:49 -0600
Lines: 9

>>>>> "t" == timmacy  <timmacy@juno.com> writes:

t> JT, I'm not sure if you can block these posts, but I sure would
t> appreciate it if you could.

They've been blocked, but nothing prevents someone from opening another
account under any name on any of these free services.

 - J<
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From: Jim Randall <jrandall@tricon.net>
To: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: FW: PC800: PC800 (RC34) Owner's manual
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:13:22 -0500

Just the other day I was scanning the "old" service manual shelf at the local 
Honda dealer - there was one for the 89-90 PC800 and another for the 
89-90, 94-96 models. I bought the latter for $28. I'm pretty sure the 89-90 is 
still there. If someone out there wants me to pick it up for them, I'll do so and 
mail it to you.

Jim Randall
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From:	frans klaus [SMTP:Frans.Klaus@net.HCC.nl]
Sent:	Friday, January 02, 1998 9:56 PM
To:	atelierp@xs4all.be
Cc:	pc800mailto
Subject:	Re: PC800: PC800 (RC34) Owner's manual

atelierp@xs4all.be wrote:
> 
> Dear bikers, PC800 lovers...
> M'best friend,proud owner of a 2hand cream-colored PC800(RC34) '94?
> would be very happy with a copy of the 'Owner's (read Service) manuel.
> Can't find it on the net! Somewhere on the MajordomoPC800 list?
> He would be very suprised if it would fall out of SPACE/ Curious myself/
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> W.Branders/Belgium/Brussels/jan.02,98    By the way: HAPPY '98/ AND A LOT
> OF MILES
> 
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I was faced with the same problem, a PC800 (1989) without manual. I
wrote to Honda Nederland B.V. and got the message that I could order it
at any dutch Honda dealer  under itemnumber 31mr5620 (for the 1994
model, 1989 not available any more). That is how I got it in the
Netherlands.
Good luck

frans
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From: Jim Randall <jrandall@tricon.net>
To: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: a January 4th ride report
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:01:10 -0500

We were able to enjoy a nice little 200 mile ride today. Our riding buddy 
Richard (Gold Wing), my wife Nancy (450 Nighthawk) and I (on the PC, 
of course) took advantage of a sunny, high 50's afternoon to cruise over 
to the Asheville, NC area. This was our first warm day since before Christmas 
and it was a pretty nice day for riding even though we had to stick to the 
major roads. There's still a fair amount of snow on the ground at higher 
elevations from earlier in the week and we were concerned about icy patches 
on the infinitely more entertaining secondary roads. Even so, all three bikes 
have a pretty good coating of salt spray from the snow melt running across 
the road in places. I'll give ours a good washing tomorrow. 

My '95 PC turned over 16K miles today. I've had it since June 14th and have 
put a little over 11K of those miles on myself. Except for my first couple of years 
of riding (when I wasn't old enough to drive a car), this is the first time in my life 
I've driven more motorcycle miles than car miles. At the current rate I'll hit about 
20K on the PC before my first anniversary with it in June of '98. I kinda like 
that - maybe I can keep up this pace now that Nancy's riding with me.

The purpose for the trip (other than just to ride!) was that Richard wanted to find 
a taller windscreen for the Wing so we visited Schroder's Honda in Hendersonville. 
A nice dealership - looks like he concentrates on Gold Wings though - I never seen 
so many chrome do-dads. Richard found a windshield big enough to serve as the 
sail on a clipper ship (I guess that's what those 1500cc's are for) so the trip was a 
success. There were three used PCs on the floor - two '96's and a cherry '89 with 
(get this) a $5,999 price tag! I picked up my '95 with less than 5K on the clock for 
only $5,200 and there is (was) a beautiful '96 for sale here recently with less than 
a thousand miles for $6,500. Whew, somebody better like pearl white a lot to pay 
6 grand for an '89. 

It's supposed to rain here for the next several days, then we'll probably be due another 
snow. Hmmm, just 6 - 8 more weeks of winter. (that's right sports fans, by early March 
it's motorcycle time again here!). You should see that first Sunday afternoon in March 
when the temperature creeps up into the 70's. You can't stir 'em with a stick!

Jim Randall
jrandall@tricon.net

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From: "A.T. Green" <atg@technologist.com>
To: <timmacy@juno.com>, "pc800" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Handgrip's and VistaCruise - Inst. Report
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 18:17:59 -0800

Crew,

For the archives - 

The install went off without a hitch.

Had a big, _beefy_ friend manually pull the grip back about 1/2". We then
drilled the VC and lower guard, used some nylon sheet for bottom (with the
screws) and top (using SuperGlue) shims for verticality between the VC and
the PC and voila!

Pushing the grips back kept the right weight from tightening correctly so
he used two lock washers as spacers and it now has the same spacing it
orginally did.

Thanks for all the info, suggestions and support!


Drew Green
'94/20.500/Skippy The Evil Twin
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From: pckwong@hkusua.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: Re: PC800: Lighting
To: timmacy@juno.com
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 10:30:41 +0800 (HKT)
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

Hi Tim,

> On Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:47:16 EST JBLAV <JBLAV@aol.com> writes:
> >Has anyone ever heard of a light bulb for motorcycles called the Blue
> Max. or Blue >Night? I saw one the other day from a distance of atleast 3
> miles on a straight >highway. The light appeared to be blue. It was very
> impressive. I was just wondering >where i could get my hands on one.
> 
> Are they legal?

If the light was from a cage, it is a kind of high intensity discharge
(HID) bulb.  You can find it on latest model of Lincoln, BMW 7s and '98
LEXUS GS300.  The bulb runs a high voltage, ie no direct replacement on
our H4 setup.

Can't tell what it is if that blue light was from a bike.  So far what
available here in Hong Kong is PIAA bulbs with coating that giving a
rainbow strobe effect by looking from a short distance, or some other
'sleeves' that working with normal H4 bulbs to give the same effect.

2 weeks ago on the Wing list, we have exactly the same discussion on the
this topic.

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From: pckwong@hkusua.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: PC800: [Wings] Blue ION bulbs (fwd)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 10:56:14 +0800 (HKT)


Forwarded message:

> The idea of brighter lights for better visibility and to be seen more
> easily sounds good. From listening to the posts on this subject I too
> would like to buy a couple and try them. There are many types and
> wattages available. Most of the catalogs quote that the 100W bulbs are
> not legal. It would seem that with 2 bulbs in the headlight unit that
> the 100W (high beam) bulbs would draw an extra 8 amps. This on its own
> may not be a problem but for those of us with modulators, daytime use
> runs the low beam all the time and pulses the high beam in addition. The
> higher power bulbs also have more power on low beam. I think that I want
> to try something along the line of 60/80 watts. The idea of a blue/white
> color sounds good as well. I have been searching the net for catalogs of
> these bulbs. Below are 2 URL's that offer this type of bulb but I am not
> sure if these are the same as previously referenced as blue ion. Anyone
> who has more info please reply to the list and help us make a good
> choice.
> 
> http://www.accessconnect.com/blueand.htm
> http://www.sportscar-parts.com/light.html

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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 20:06:24 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <pilewis1@concentric.net>
To: Jim Randall <jrandall@tricon.net>
CC: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: FW: PC800: PC800 (RC34) Owner's manual

Jim Randall wrote:
> 
> Just the other day I was scanning the "old" service manual shelf at the local
> Honda dealer - there was one for the 89-90 PC800 and another for the
> 89-90, 94-96 models. I bought the latter for $28. I'm pretty sure the 89-90 is
> still there. If someone out there wants me to pick it up for them, I'll do so and
> mail it to you.
> 
> Jim Randall
> jrandall@tricon.net


Hi Jim!

If I'm the first to respond, I'll take the 89-90 manual.  I've been
looking for quite awhile, in all the local shops, of which there are
many, but I've never seen the manual.  I'll send you a check for all
expenses.

Thanks,

Phil

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From: JTSMCRIDER <JTSMCRIDER@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:56:24 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Polar Bears In The Rain...

Hi, Tim:

In a message dated 98-01-02 00:47:56 EST, you write:

<< About a mile from home I realized that my turn blinker had not
 self-cancelled. It also stopped blinking. >>

I'm confused, Tim.  If it stopped blinking, how do you know that it didn't
cancel?  I always thought that a cessation of blinking was the prime
indication that the signal had cancelled.  Have you discovered a new
indicator? :)

JT
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From: JTSMCRIDER <JTSMCRIDER@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:56:22 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Handlebar weights

Hi Greg:

The weights do several things, but the two most important is to dampen
vibration (by changing the resonant frequency of the bar system) and in the
case of the right grip to prevent the throttle's being jammed in the event of
a tipover on the right side.

JT
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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 12:24:28 -0500
From: Jason <crazyapple@ibm.net>
To: VR2XVI <pckwong@hkusua.hku.hk>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Lighting

In the Chrysler Car newsgroup I occasionally see some twit selling bulbs
that he claims are the same as an HID array.  They're actually just
bulbs that have a blue coating, not HID.  I would imagine that if they
don't overheat they would look nice on a PC.  I have a 65/100 (I
believe) right now, and I'd not want to get a lower wattage just to have
it be blue, however.

-Jason

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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 12:34:17 -0500
From: Jason <crazyapple@ibm.net>
To: VR2XVI <pckwong@hkusua.hku.hk>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: [Wings] Blue ION bulbs (fwd)

Whoo-hoo!  There are PIAA lamps that are true HID and mount in similar
fasion to the Tenzo lights.  And a bargain at only $1,900!  :)

I was actually figuring I'd buy a set untill I saw the price tag.

http://sportscar-parts.com/piaa.htm is the page with this set.

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To: tibbs@hpc.uh.edu, timmacy@juno.com
From: "Gregg L. DesElms" <deselms@royal.net>
Subject: PC800: Whoa, fellas!!! (was ??What??)
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 11:55:20 -0500


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To:  Tim Macy and Jason Tibbitts
cc:  The PC800 List

Whoa... fellas... take a breath for a second.  I think there's a little
confusion, here, and now I'm worried that a rash action has been taken.

As the original complaintant about the brain teaser thing, I'm happy, of
course, that we appear to have nipped it from this list.  However, Tim, I
think you may have jumped the gun a little when you presumed that I was
addressing my complaint at you.  Granted  bumfuct@hotmail.com  called
himself "Tim M," and claimed to be from Portland, but I never for a moment
thought he was you.  And in my (often not terribly) humble opinion, you
probably shouldn't have jumped either to the conclusion that I thought he
was you, or that he was necessarily attempting to mislead anyone into
believing that he was you.  None of us know if "bumfuct's" real name and
surname initial is "Tim M," or if he's really from Portland.  However, I
spent a month in Portland one week and, as I recall, it's certainly a big
enough town to probably have *several* Tims whose last names begin with the
letter "M" living there.  

That being the case, I'm not sure it's appropriate, Jason, for him to have
been blocked from the list -- his pesky postings notwithstanding -- based
solely on the presumption that he was attempting to mislead just because
that was the conclusion to which Tim (Macy) jumped.  Granted, the guy seemed
like he might have been a bit of a shit-disturber based on his choice of
e-mail addresses (I, too, was not impressed with "bumfuct").  But, guys,
potential shit-disturber or not, I 'gotta tell 'ya, my flaming liberal,
card-carrying-ACLU-member sensibilities are always thrown into high gear
whenever I see *anyone* excluded from a public forum based on impulsive
accusations and/or unilateral decisionmaking (both present in this case),
and especially when the person being excluded either received no warning
and/or was not consulted about the (potential) action, and offered an
opportunity to defend himself *before* said action was taken.  That sort of
thing gives me a serious case of the First (and quite probably 8th)
Amendment willies!  In a free society, it's a powerful position to be in
when one is able to block another's speech, on a whim, unilaterally and with
impunity.  And because free speech in *all* public forums is *so* terribly
important, it naturally bestows upon any such powerholder (in this case that
would be Jason) the unspoken responsibility (and downright civic duty) to be
extra, extra careful before taking such decisive and free-speech-chilling
actions.

So, Jason, do what you want.  But I would ask that you unblock the guy
immediately -- just on principle -- at least until he's committed some
transgression more serious than just being confused with someone else (and
which confusion may not even be by his own design).  I don't think any of us
can say with any degree of certainty if he was attempting to mislead anyone
into believing that he was Tim Macy?  Frankly, I don't see in his postings
any overt indication that he was.  And because his e-mail address is so
openly and vastly different from Tim Macy's, I think most people on this
list would probably not have made that mistake.  And I don't believe that,
irritating as they may be, his brainteaser postings thus far warrant
blocking either.  Of course, if he continued such behavior after a warning
or two, then that would probably be a different story.  Certainly within
interest-specific Internet list servers, there are recognized limits even to
constitutional protection, and I think it's generally acceptable -- even
among liberal ACLU types -- for one to be eventually knocked off of an
interest-specific list if one routinely fails to abide by the posted and
agreed-upon rules of said list (provided said rules are, in fact, posted,
agreed-upon and everyone on the list is properly notified of them).  

Okay, that's my two cents (okay, maybe four and a three quarter cents) worth
on this subject.

Talk to 'yall later.

Gregg DesElms
deselms@royal.net
'89 PC800


-------------------------- Message History -----------------------------

First, Tim Macy <timmacy@juno.com> wrote:

I was perusing my mail when I saw the post from Gregg DesElms requesting
that Fireman Joe and I please cease and desist with the "Brain Teaser"
thread. This caught me up short because I had no idea what Gregg was
talking about. So I found the post that he had referred to and was
totally blown away because....

THAT POST DID NOT COME FROM ME!!!!!!!

Someone has set up an account with Hotmail.com and is using "Tim M,
Portland, OR" as a signature line. I, for one, do not think that this is
coincidental. Whoever it is, I don't think that it's funny at all and can
only say KNOCK IT THE HELL OFF!

Not only do I think that this isn't funny, but I also think that whatever
jerk set this account up as "bumfuct" used extremely poor taste. So if
there are any more posts from this jerk, I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM.

JT, I'm not sure if you can block these posts, but I sure would
appreciate it if you could.

REALLY Pissed in Portland,

Tim

--------

Then, in response, Jason Tibbitts <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu> replied:

They've been blocked, but nothing prevents someone from opening another
account under any name on any of these free services.

- J

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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Re: Whoa, fellas!!!
From: Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: 05 Jan 1998 14:43:29 -0600
Lines: 60

Sorry for the tone here, but there are apparently a few misconceptions
about this list and mailing lists in general here that I need to
counteract.

>>>>> "GLD" == Gregg L DesElms <deselms@royal.net> writes:

GLD> That being the case, I'm not sure it's appropriate, Jason, for him to
GLD> have been blocked from the list -- his pesky postings notwithstanding
GLD> -- based solely on the presumption that he was attempting to mislead
GLD> just because that was the conclusion to which Tim (Macy) jumped.

Do not fret; no postings are blocked, they only require me to look at them
first.

GLD> In a free society, it's a powerful position to be in when one is able
GLD> to block another's speech, on a whim, unilaterally and with impunity.

This is not free society, this is a mailing list.  I am not the US
congress; I am not bound by the first amendment to the US constitution.

GLD> And because free speech in *all* public forums is *so* terribly
GLD> important, it naturally bestows upon any such powerholder (in this
GLD> case that would be Jason) the unspoken responsibility (and downright
GLD> civic duty) to be extra, extra careful before taking such decisive and
GLD> free-speech-chilling actions.

Please to not preach the necessities of free speech to me.  I am well aware
of them and strive to uphold them, but I do so where appropriate.  My duty
here as the list owner is to do what is best for this list, not for all
humanity.  If I prevent even a single useless, garbage, extra-quoted,
long-signature, HTML-attached, off-topic or spam message from polluting the
list, then I have done something for everyone here.

Now, as this message itself can easily be considered to be off-topic,

GLD> Certainly within interest-specific Internet list servers, there are
GLD> recognized limits even to constitutional protection,

Yes, definite limits.  There is absolutely no constitutional protection
whatsoever.  In fact, I personally am legally culpable for just about
anything that is said here.  In plainer terms, if Tim was somehow 'injured'
by an impersonated message sent through this list, he could sue my employer
and I for damages.

GLD> (provided said rules are, in fact, posted, agreed-upon and everyone on
GLD> the list is properly notified of them).

This is not a democracy, either.  Those not wishing to abide by the simple
rules are invited to unsubscribe.

Look, this is really simple.  I provide a forum for everyone to discuss
things about the PC800.  I end up being responsible for everything that is
said here in one way or another.  My goal is not to provide a forum for
free speech, it is to provide a forum for free and open discussion _about
PC800s_ and to do so without legally encumbering myself or my employer.
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From: Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:15:00 -0600
Subject: PC800: Cycle related


On Friday the 2nd of January the temperature was 45 F and the roads clear.
I just had to get home to ride the bike because it's not to often this
happens in Minnesota in the winter. Well let me say it was a great ride,
even though it was short. Last night (Sunday) on the news the Twin Cities
was hit with 1/2" of ice on the roads with snow to follow. They had a
interview with a local State Trooper and he said there was over 600 reports
of accidents and to tell everyone to stay home.

Boy that was a good ride.

Later all
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	 Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:21:10 -0800
	 Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:21:12 -0800

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From: "John Louk" <johnnytech@email.msn.com>
To: <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu>, <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Whoa, fellas!!!
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:21:41 -0500

Well said, Jason.  I agree.
John Louk, LCDR, USN (ret)
Carmel, IN




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From: "Tim M" <bumfuct@hotmail.com>
To: tibbs@hpc.uh.edu, timmacy@juno.com, deselms@royal.net
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Re: Whoa, fellas!!! (was ??What??)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 13:57:20 PST

All,

I can only see a bunch of geeks that ride PC800s (commonly refered to as 
Overweight Helixes by more than a few of your fellow motorcyclists) 
getting their respective panties in so many knots over such relatively 
inconsecquential things such as an accidental spam or the login name 
that I select for my Hotmail account.

Two bits of advice (and you know if this applies to you):
1. Lighten up.
2. Get a life.

As always, Ride Safe (what other option is there with a PC?).

Warmest Regards,
Tim Miller (really)
Portland Oregon (no kidding)

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To: tibbs@hpc.uh.edu,timmacy@juno.com
From: "Gregg L. DesElms" <deselms@royal.net>
Subject: Whoa, fellas!!! (was ??What??)
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 11:55:20 -0500


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To:  Tim Macy and Jason Tibbitts
cc:  The PC800 List

Whoa... fellas... take a breath for a second.  I think there's a little
confusion, here, and now I'm worried that a rash action has been taken.

As the original complaintant about the brain teaser thing, I'm happy, of
course, that we appear to have nipped it from this list.  However, Tim, 
I
think you may have jumped the gun a little when you presumed that I was
addressing my complaint at you.  Granted  bumfuct@hotmail.com  called
himself "Tim M," and claimed to be from Portland, but I never for a 
moment
thought he was you.  And in my (often not terribly) humble opinion, you
probably shouldn't have jumped either to the conclusion that I thought 
he
was you, or that he was necessarily attempting to mislead anyone into
believing that he was you.  None of us know if "bumfuct's" real name and
surname initial is "Tim M," or if he's really from Portland.  However, I
spent a month in Portland one week and, as I recall, it's certainly a 
big
enough town to probably have *several* Tims whose last names begin with 
the
letter "M" living there.  

That being the case, I'm not sure it's appropriate, Jason, for him to 
have
been blocked from the list -- his pesky postings notwithstanding -- 
based
solely on the presumption that he was attempting to mislead just because
that was the conclusion to which Tim (Macy) jumped.  Granted, the guy 
seemed
like he might have been a bit of a shit-disturber based on his choice of
e-mail addresses (I, too, was not impressed with "bumfuct").  But, guys,
potential shit-disturber or not, I 'gotta tell 'ya, my flaming liberal,
card-carrying-ACLU-member sensibilities are always thrown into high gear
whenever I see *anyone* excluded from a public forum based on impulsive
accusations and/or unilateral decisionmaking (both present in this 
case),
and especially when the person being excluded either received no warning
and/or was not consulted about the (potential) action, and offered an
opportunity to defend himself *before* said action was taken.  That sort 
of
thing gives me a serious case of the First (and quite probably 8th)
Amendment willies!  In a free society, it's a powerful position to be in
when one is able to block another's speech, on a whim, unilaterally and 
with
impunity.  And because free speech in *all* public forums is *so* 
terribly
important, it naturally bestows upon any such powerholder (in this case 
that
would be Jason) the unspoken responsibility (and downright civic duty) 
to be
extra, extra careful before taking such decisive and 
free-speech-chilling
actions.

So, Jason, do what you want.  But I would ask that you unblock the guy
immediately -- just on principle -- at least until he's committed some
transgression more serious than just being confused with someone else 
(and
which confusion may not even be by his own design).  I don't think any 
of us
can say with any degree of certainty if he was attempting to mislead 
anyone
into believing that he was Tim Macy?  Frankly, I don't see in his 
postings
any overt indication that he was.  And because his e-mail address is so
openly and vastly different from Tim Macy's, I think most people on this
list would probably not have made that mistake.  And I don't believe 
that,
irritating as they may be, his brainteaser postings thus far warrant
blocking either.  Of course, if he continued such behavior after a 
warning
or two, then that would probably be a different story.  Certainly within
interest-specific Internet list servers, there are recognized limits 
even to
constitutional protection, and I think it's generally acceptable -- even
among liberal ACLU types -- for one to be eventually knocked off of an
interest-specific list if one routinely fails to abide by the posted and
agreed-upon rules of said list (provided said rules are, in fact, 
posted,
agreed-upon and everyone on the list is properly notified of them).  

Okay, that's my two cents (okay, maybe four and a three quarter cents) 
worth
on this subject.

Talk to 'yall later.

Gregg DesElms
deselms@royal.net
'89 PC800


-------------------------- Message History -----------------------------

First, Tim Macy <timmacy@juno.com> wrote:

I was perusing my mail when I saw the post from Gregg DesElms requesting
that Fireman Joe and I please cease and desist with the "Brain Teaser"
thread. This caught me up short because I had no idea what Gregg was
talking about. So I found the post that he had referred to and was
totally blown away because....

THAT POST DID NOT COME FROM ME!!!!!!!

Someone has set up an account with Hotmail.com and is using "Tim M,
Portland, OR" as a signature line. I, for one, do not think that this is
coincidental. Whoever it is, I don't think that it's funny at all and 
can
only say KNOCK IT THE HELL OFF!

Not only do I think that this isn't funny, but I also think that 
whatever
jerk set this account up as "bumfuct" used extremely poor taste. So if
there are any more posts from this jerk, I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM.

JT, I'm not sure if you can block these posts, but I sure would
appreciate it if you could.

REALLY Pissed in Portland,

Tim

--------

Then, in response, Jason Tibbitts <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu> replied:

They've been blocked, but nothing prevents someone from opening another
account under any name on any of these free services.

- J

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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 15:21:20 -0900
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
Subject: PC800: *(&^%$# Weather!

Happy New Year Everyone.  I hope your holiday was good.  Maybe some of you
found a shiny new motorcycle under the tree :-)

I noticed that recently some of you have been complaining about the crappy
weather you have in your respective areas of this planet, so I thought I'd
throw this in for some perspective.  Hope it makes you feel better :-)  Be
safe out there!

FAIRBANKS AND VICINITY FORECAST
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FAIRBANKS AK
530 AM AST SUN JAN 4 1998

TODAY...COLD WITH PERIODS OF DENSE ICE FOG. HIGH AROUND 40 BELOW.
TONIGHT AND MONDAY...CONTINUED COLD WITH ICE FOG. TEMPERATURE 
 40 TO 48 BELOW.

SUNRISE 10:51 AM  SUNSET  3:04 PM   FOR SUNDAY
GIVING 4 HOURS 13 MINUTES OF POSSIBLE SUNSHINE

Juan

If Santa had a Pacific Coast, all of his reindeer would be toast.
Happy Holidays!
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From: "Ramin Keyvan" <ramin@tibco.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:31:30 -0800
        "PC800: *(&^%$# Weather!" (Jan  5,  3:21pm)
To: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: *(&^%$# Weather!

On Jan 5,  3:21pm, Juan A. Goula wrote:
Nope! No complaints here! ;-)

Ramin

> Subject: PC800: *(&^%$# Weather!
<snippage>
>
> FAIRBANKS AND VICINITY FORECAST
> NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FAIRBANKS AK
> 530 AM AST SUN JAN 4 1998
>
> TODAY...COLD WITH PERIODS OF DENSE ICE FOG. HIGH AROUND 40 BELOW.
> TONIGHT AND MONDAY...CONTINUED COLD WITH ICE FOG. TEMPERATURE
>  40 TO 48 BELOW.
>
> SUNRISE 10:51 AM  SUNSET  3:04 PM   FOR SUNDAY
> GIVING 4 HOURS 13 MINUTES OF POSSIBLE SUNSHINE
>
> Juan
>
<snippage>

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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 18:40:09 -0600
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Doug A." <di9731@vci.net>
Subject: PC800: Temperature

Juan Goula
Alaska Temperature: I for one yeild, BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:50:16 -0800
To: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
From: Erin Keyvan <pastry@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Re: PC800: *(&^%$# Weather!
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

Juan,

>TODAY...COLD WITH PERIODS OF DENSE ICE FOG. HIGH AROUND 40 BELOW.

HIGH around 40 below?!  HIGH!!!  Geez....

Erin (sitting comfortably in 55-ish degree weather, never to complain
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From: "Carrie" <shw@thevision.net>
To: <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu>, <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Whoa, fellas!!!
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:07:37 -0800

Well said Jason.  Nice reality check.  

Maybe you should raise our dues.

Spencer

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> From: Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu>
> To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
> Subject: PC800: Re: Whoa, fellas!!!
> Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 12:43 PM
> 
> Sorry for the tone here, but there are apparently a few misconceptions
> about this list and mailing lists in general here that I need to
> counteract.
> 
> >>>>> "GLD" == Gregg L DesElms <deselms@royal.net> writes:
> 
> GLD> That being the case, I'm not sure it's appropriate, Jason, for him
to
> GLD> have been blocked from the list -- his pesky postings
notwithstanding
> GLD> -- based solely on the presumption that he was attempting to mislead
> GLD> just because that was the conclusion to which Tim (Macy) jumped.
> 
> Do not fret; no postings are blocked, they only require me to look at
them
> first.
> 
> GLD> In a free society, it's a powerful position to be in when one is
able
> GLD> to block another's speech, on a whim, unilaterally and with
impunity.
> 
> This is not free society, this is a mailing list.  I am not the US
> congress; I am not bound by the first amendment to the US constitution.
> 
> GLD> And because free speech in *all* public forums is *so* terribly
> GLD> important, it naturally bestows upon any such powerholder (in this
> GLD> case that would be Jason) the unspoken responsibility (and downright
> GLD> civic duty) to be extra, extra careful before taking such decisive
and
> GLD> free-speech-chilling actions.
> 
> Please to not preach the necessities of free speech to me.  I am well
aware
> of them and strive to uphold them, but I do so where appropriate.  My
duty
> here as the list owner is to do what is best for this list, not for all
> humanity.  If I prevent even a single useless, garbage, extra-quoted,
> long-signature, HTML-attached, off-topic or spam message from polluting
the
> list, then I have done something for everyone here.
> 
> Now, as this message itself can easily be considered to be off-topic,
> 
> GLD> Certainly within interest-specific Internet list servers, there are
> GLD> recognized limits even to constitutional protection,
> 
> Yes, definite limits.  There is absolutely no constitutional protection
> whatsoever.  In fact, I personally am legally culpable for just about
> anything that is said here.  In plainer terms, if Tim was somehow
'injured'
> by an impersonated message sent through this list, he could sue my
employer
> and I for damages.
> 
> GLD> (provided said rules are, in fact, posted, agreed-upon and everyone
on
> GLD> the list is properly notified of them).
> 
> This is not a democracy, either.  Those not wishing to abide by the
simple
> rules are invited to unsubscribe.
> 
> Look, this is really simple.  I provide a forum for everyone to discuss
> things about the PC800.  I end up being responsible for everything that
is
> said here in one way or another.  My goal is not to provide a forum for
> free speech, it is to provide a forum for free and open discussion _about
> PC800s_ and to do so without legally encumbering myself or my employer.
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From: "Ramin Keyvan" <ramin@tibco.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:19:15 -0800
        "PC800: Re: Whoa, fellas!!! (was ??What??)" (Jan  5,  1:57pm)
To: "Tim M" <bumfuct@hotmail.com>, deselms@royal.net, tibbs@hpc.uh.edu,
        timmacy@juno.com
Subject: PC800: Response to Tim Miller.....
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

Ah yes!! The smell of intelligent conversation wafts over us all!!

Dear Mr. Miller:

With all due respect, you have to admit that the response to your "accidental
spam or the login name" is not all that surprising, given that the post was
made to this listserver without so much as an introduction on your part. This
is the email equivalent of walking into a private party and dropping your
pants! It should then come as no surprise that you are subsequently picked up
and tossed out on your ear!

While I understand that you may have made the post accidently, widely accepted
net protocol places the obligation of applogizing for the accidental post
quickly thereafter, squarely on your shoulders. If you cannot abide by the
rules governing the internet, you will find yourself an outcast very quickly.

Further, understand that the purpose of this listserver is to exchange
information about the motorcycles we have chosen to ride for whatever various
personal reasons (none of which BTW are any of your concern). If you don't
happen to share the views of the folks on this list, then let me suggest that
the internet is a varied and wonderful place, and that you may find what you
are looking for elsewhere. The freedom to choose where you get your information
and what form that information will ultimately take is part of what makes this
a great country.

With regards to numbers 1 & 2 below:

	1.) As you don't know anyone on this list, you have no evidence of the
personalities who post to this list or their individual proclivities. The
response to your post was not only warranted but necessary. It is your response
(below) that is indicative of who should be lightening up. A simple "Oops!
sorry guys! Didn't mean to do that!" would have sufficed.

	2.) Why is it that everytime someone like you does something to offend
other people, you're the first ones to yell "GET A LIFE!!" when your chastised
for it, when it was you who created the disturbance in the first place?

Finally, I personally don't give a damn what someone chooses for their login
name. That's personal and quite frankly none of my or anybody else's business
and I will not stoop to making snide remarks about it for the purposes of
verbal one-upsmanship. This is neither productive nor necessary.

If you would like to contribute to this list, you're welcome to do so. If not,
go in peace.

cheers,

Ramin


On Jan 5,  1:57pm, Tim M wrote:
> Subject: PC800: Re: Whoa, fellas!!! (was ??What??)
> All,
>
> I can only see a bunch of geeks that ride PC800s (commonly refered to as
> Overweight Helixes by more than a few of your fellow motorcyclists)
> getting their respective panties in so many knots over such relatively
> inconsecquential things such as an accidental spam or the login name
> that I select for my Hotmail account.
>
> Two bits of advice (and you know if this applies to you):
> 1. Lighten up.
> 2. Get a life.
>
> As always, Ride Safe (what other option is there with a PC?).
>
> Warmest Regards,
> Tim Miller (really)
> Portland Oregon (no kidding)
>
>

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From: "John J. Scalisi" <jscalisi@snet.net>
To: "Tim M" <bumfuct@hotmail.com>
Cc: "PC800 Mail List" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Whoa, fellas!!! (was ??What??)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:38:06 -0500

Your reply puts you right in the same class as the people that complained in
the first place!  And by the way....the PC is the only bike that does give
you options on how you want to ride!

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From: Tim M <bumfuct@hotmail.com>
To: tibbs@hpc.uh.edu <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu>; timmacy@juno.com
<timmacy@juno.com>; deselms@royal.net <deselms@royal.net>
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 5:29 PM
Subject: PC800: Re: Whoa, fellas!!! (was ??What??)


>All,
>
>I can only see a bunch of geeks that ride PC800s (commonly refered to as
>Overweight Helixes by more than a few of your fellow motorcyclists)
>getting their respective panties in so many knots over such relatively
>inconsecquential things such as an accidental spam or the login name
>that I select for my Hotmail account.
>
>Two bits of advice (and you know if this applies to you):
>1. Lighten up.
>2. Get a life.
>
>As always, Ride Safe (what other option is there with a PC?).
>
>Warmest Regards,
>Tim Miller (really)
>Portland Oregon (no kidding)


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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Re: *(&^%$# Weather!
From: Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: 05 Jan 1998 20:05:40 -0600
Lines: 12

>>>>> "JAG" == Juan A Goula <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu> writes:

JAG> TODAY...COLD WITH PERIODS OF DENSE ICE FOG. HIGH AROUND 40
JAG> BELOW.

OK, my metric-loving self won't ask whether that's Celsius or Fahrenheit.
(^_^)

What on Earth is ice fog?  Can you ride in it?

 - J< (who was sweating on his way to work this morning)

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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 17:11:30 -0900
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
Subject: PC800: *(&^%$# Weather!
 <3.0.2.32.19980105152120.006def50@jarvis.ims.uaf.edu>

At 20:05 1/5/98 -0600, Jason wrote:
>OK, my metric-loving self won't ask whether that's Celsius or Fahrenheit.
>(^_^)

Dang cold, either way :-)

>What on Earth is ice fog?  Can you ride in it?

Oh, that's easy.  Instead of suspended water droplets (fog) it is suspended
ice particles.  They are mostly from frozen powerplant and tailpipe water
vapor emissions.  Nasty stuff.  Every time you start up at a stoplight,
every vehicle has a built-in cloaking device, and foglamps don't help.
Starts appearing at around 30 below.  Nope, not for bikes, for sure :-)

Juan

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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 19:03:50 -0700
From: Dave Gross <dkgross@halcyon.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Whoa, fellas!!! (was ??What??)

sounds to me like many of us aren't getting to ride enough :>)



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From: "Tony Morgano" <rednorton@email.msn.com>
To: <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Lets move on
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:35:07 -0500

The weather has been a wonderful 60ish back here in NJ. Lets go for a ride
and move on for the new year!




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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 21:46:06 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <pilewis1@concentric.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Whoa, fellas!!!

I think it's time for the SCPCRC to cheer everybody up with a great ride
report and lots of pictures for our January 17th ride.  

Stay tuned everybody, my laptop and Johan's and my digital camera are
getting warmed up!!  :)

Now if Sunny Southern California will just live up to it's reputation!!

Take care all,

Phil


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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 00:15:50 -0800
From: Eric Matthews <ericeric@concentric.net>
To: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: *(&^%$# Weather!
	 <3.0.2.32.19980105152120.006def50@jarvis.ims.uaf.edu> <3.0.2.32.19980105171130.006bb49c@jarvis.ims.uaf.edu>

Ok, now I'm all confused. So help me out here.
I thought I had the big chunks of ice floating around in the air figured out,
but foglamps? Do they dispense fog? Is it icy fog?
Do the powerplants just kind of sit on the ground there and shock you as you
walk past?
I don't think I really want to know about this tailpipe thing. Nope, not going
there.

;-)

E.

Juan A. Goula wrote:

> Oh, that's easy.  Instead of suspended water droplets (fog) it is suspended
> ice particles.  They are mostly from frozen powerplant and tailpipe water
> vapor emissions.  Nasty stuff.  Every time you start up at a stoplight,
> every vehicle has a built-in cloaking device, and foglamps don't help.
> Starts appearing at around 30 below.  Nope, not for bikes, for sure :-)
>
> Juan



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From: JTSMCRIDER <JTSMCRIDER@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 08:38:19 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: *(&^%$# Weather!

So, what's your point, Juan? :)

Once it gets down to too-cold-to-ride, it's too cold to ride.  For our
Florida/SoCal contingent, that's like +40 (or is that +50); right?  What's
another 80 degrees got to do with it?  PMS is PMS.  Of course, it ain't cabin
fever and sunlight deprivation.

Hang in there, buddy, and don't forget to plug in your block heater.

JT
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From: JTSMCRIDER <JTSMCRIDER@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 08:38:21 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Re: *(&^%$# Weather!

Hi, Jason:

In a message dated 98-01-05 21:12:12 EST, you write:

<< OK, my metric-loving self won't ask whether that's Celsius or Fahrenheit.
 (^_^)
>>

At minus 40 they are the same.  So Juan was correct not to specify which
scale.  Those cool breezes have kept him sharp as a tack :).
 
JT

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From: Jfmoemd <Jfmoemd@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:29:24 EST
To: tibbs@hpc.uh.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Whoa, fellas!!!

Jason,

           Well said!

John
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From: Jfmoemd <Jfmoemd@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:36:02 EST
To: bumfuct@hotmail.com, tibbs@hpc.uh.edu, timmacy@juno.com, deselms@royal.net
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Whoa, fellas!!! (was ??What??)

Tim Miller:

Try (said, "TRY," to have common decency.) Anybody can be profane (read
deselm's note) and we've all heard all the words and know what they mean.

It's hard to imagine that any normal person would pick an address such as you
did.

But, guys and gals, let's use the delete key and get back to our topic!

John

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From: "Tim M" <bumfuct@hotmail.com>
To: tibbs@hpc.uh.edu, timmacy@juno.com, deselms@royal.net, Jfmoemd@aol.com
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Whoa, fellas!!! (was ??What??)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 11:18:19 PST

>But, guys and gals, let's use the delete key and get back to our 
>topic!
>
>John

Well said.

See you on the highway,
Tim

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From: "Vincent Santamaria" <vsantamaria@worldnet.att.net>
To: <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: *(&^%$# Weather!
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:04:30 -0500

I've never been to Alaska but it must be a wonderful place for people like
Juan to put up with -40 degree weather. I can't imagine what that temp
would be like. 
Vince in Fort Myers,FL fixing to go riding

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> Florida/SoCal contingent, that's like +40 (or is that +50); right?  
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From: "Ramin Keyvan" <ramin@tibco.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:17:59 -0800
        "Re: PC800: *(&^%$# Weather!" (Jan  6,  5:04pm)
To: "Vincent Santamaria" <vsantamaria@worldnet.att.net>, <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: *(&^%$# Weather!

All,

Here's some more prespective:

Further north in Barrow, it's even colder!!!! AAAIIEEEEE!! I'm staying right
here in sunny Norther California. I would, however, love to take a trip through
Alaska at some point. As I come from Iran, the vastness and beauty of this
country facinate me!

Ramin


On Jan 6,  5:04pm, Vincent Santamaria wrote:
> Subject: Re: PC800: *(&^%$# Weather!
> I've never been to Alaska but it must be a wonderful place for people like
> Juan to put up with -40 degree weather. I can't imagine what that temp
> would be like.
> Vince in Fort Myers,FL fixing to go riding
>
> ----------
> > Florida/SoCal contingent, that's like +40 (or is that +50); right?
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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 13:47:08 -0900
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
Subject: PC800: Ice fog and other trivia
 <3.0.2.32.19980105152120.006def50@jarvis.ims.uaf.edu>
 <3.0.2.32.19980105171130.006bb49c@jarvis.ims.uaf.edu>

At 00:15 1/6/98 -0800, Eric Matthews wrote:
>Ok, now I'm all confused. So help me out here.
>I thought I had the big chunks of ice floating around in the air figured out,
>but foglamps? Do they dispense fog? Is it icy fog?

Sorry, that information is classified.

>Do the powerplants just kind of sit on the ground there and shock you as you
>walk past?

He he...  This has more truth in it than you think.  With relative humidity
hovering around 10%, static electricity becomes so bad that even house
plants give you a painful discharge (or is that the other way around) :-)

I keep my PC snugged up against the wall of the garage. Clearance is so
tight every time I got out of the car I gave my fingers a "free x-ray" when
I touched the bar-end weight.  Solution: remove the weight.  I hope I don't
lose it before next Spring!

>I don't think I really want to know about this tailpipe thing. Nope, not
going
>there.

Chicken! :-)


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From: timmacy@juno.com
 by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id ROJ03852; Tue, 06 Jan 1998 17:56:46 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:54:31 -0800
Subject: PC800: In Retrospect...

To the list:

As I was the one that ilnadvertently (or vertently...) started the latest
round of invective about free speech, trampling of rights, etc., I feel
obligated to (hopefully) bring closure to the whole mess.

1: Gregg, I apologize if my post implied that I was taking exception to
you and your response to the "brain teasers". I didn't take it personally
in any manner whatsoever. In fact, I agreed with you that it was getting
pretty far off-topic.  My response was...

2: an overreaction that resulted in my hitting the "send" button too
quickly instead of really finding out what was going on. I really did
think that someone was using the anonymity of cyberspace to play games on
the list. As I believe we have discussed in the past on this list, one of
the down sides to e-mail is the ability to instantly respond to something
before hindsight kicks in. For that I feel that I must apologize to
everyone on the list. My reaction was far too swift and vitriolic
considering the situation. However...

3: this situation would not have occurred at all if Mr. Miller had
followed the standard protocol that has been developed through the years
on this list of introducing himself. Mr. Miller, I apologize for assuming
that you did not exist. Yes, there easily could be more than one "Tim M"
in Portland, OR. But, two "Tim M"s  that  actually own a Pacific Coast
and live in Portland would be pretty darned coincidental. However...

4:  in the past (on a more general motorcycle list than this) I had
witnessed situations where people signed on with names or aliases that
were the same as contributors of that list....solely for the purpose of
messing with people's heads. However, they usually posted with some
pretty nasty stuff that was inflammatory. If I had not been so hasty with
my reply, I would have noted that your post was very innocuous. Under the
circumstances, I shouldn't have called for blocking your posts to this
list. And to the civil libertarians in the group, I...

5: really don't care what people call themselves. I would not have
reacted to the "bumfuct" if I had not assumed that it was a deliberate
attempt to mislead, even though I still feel that it's a bit on the far
side of "acceptable". But I do I tend to be a bit on the liberal side of
the ledger myself.

'Nuff said? Good! Let's get back to talking about motorcycles in general
and the Pacific Coast in particular. 

So, Tim Miller, considering the "bunch of geeks riding overweight
Helixes" comment, I can assume you don't ride a PC....?    :-}}  (See the
smiley face, everyone?  Whew!)

Tim Macy
Portland, OR
'94 PC - 64,642 Miles Of Smiles

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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 09:41:01 +0800
From: Yu Seung <pohys@singnet.com.sg>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: shimmy, baby!

Hi folks, let's get off the spamming thread, shall we?


Serious question.  I've got this front wheel shimmy that occurs at about
70kmh (43mph?) I've got the front wheel balanced when the tire was new
and the steering bearings recently had to be slightly loosened because
they were clicking into the straight ahead position.

Can I do anyone of the following?

1.  Fit a steering damper?
2.  Change to needle bearings?  If so which brand/part number?
3.  Experiment with diffent handlebar weight combinations?

Yu Seung in Singapore (where 40 degrees F makes no sense at all)
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:40:33 -0600 (CST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Dave Lott <dlwinger@ix17.ix.netcom.com>
Subject: PC800: Screwed Again

PC List,
Gotta tell this shadetree mechanics story on myself.  Last Saturday I
decided to stop procrastinating and install the Battery Tender connector to
my battery so that during the times between my winter rides, I can keep the
battery at full charge.  (Believe it or not, the original battery is still
installed on my 89 PC.)

Well, putting the connector on involves removing the screws from the
battery's terminal posts.  The negative terminal is easy to get to and I had
no problem.  Then came the positive terminal.  Wow!  I looked there and said
that I needed to stuff a rag in the space between the battery and trunk
panel cause if that screw every gets down there, it is going to be a bear
getting it out.  What planning and foresight, right!  Well, maybe not.

I could loosen the screw, but couldn't get it off the terminal post.
Finally, using some needle nose pliers in conjunction with the screwdriver I
was able to get the screw out and it plopped down right on the rag I had
stuffed underneath.  I didn't think my hands were that big, but it was an
effort trying to manuever in that tight space.

Put the screw in the connector and tried to line it up with the hole in the
post cover.  After a couple of attempts with the screw popping out (again
onto the rag) and retrieving it with the needle nose pliers, BOOM, it pooped
out again and somehow fell down in the PC Bermuda triangle.  I tried
everything from magnets to turning the PC upside down and shaking it to
retrieve it with no luck.  So after thirty minutes of cussing and fussing, I
remember the famous words of Tim Allen (not to be confused with Tim Macy or
Tim Miller or any other Tim M. living in the Portland Oregon area) when all
else fails, "Duct It!"  Yes siree, the ole sliver of duct tape folded over
grabbed that screw and lifted it right up.

To celebrate. I duct taped the head of the screw to the screwdriver to get
it screwed in.  Of course, now I couldn't get the screwdriver to free itself
from the screw, so I had to Dremel a cutout in the trunk so I could close
it.  I figure that I can use this as another bungee tiedown point or as an
alternate foot rest for my passenger on the right side.  OK, the last two
sentences are an exaggeration, but the rest of the story is true.  I swear!

So, I will sleep peacefully tonight knowing that my battery is being
trickled so when I crank up the bike on Sunday morning for the GA HSTA's
Cold Butt ride, all will be well.  I just love stories with a happy ending.


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From: "Ramin Keyvan" <ramin@tibco.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:43:28 -0800
        "PC800: Screwed Again" (Jan  6,  7:40pm)
To: Dave Lott <dlwinger@ix17.ix.netcom.com>, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Screwed Again

STOP!! You're gonna make me cry! <sniff, sniff> ;-)

Ramin :-)



On Jan 6,  7:40pm, Dave Lott wrote:
> Subject: PC800: Screwed Again
<snippage>
> So, I will sleep peacefully tonight knowing that my battery is being
> trickled so when I crank up the bike on Sunday morning for the GA HSTA's
> Cold Butt ride, all will be well.  I just love stories with a happy ending.
>
>
>



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From: "Greg Eyrich" <greg_eyrich@hotmail.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: shimmy, baby!
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 18:23:48 PST

This is a well documented "Feature" of the PC.  See recent archives for 
potential fixes.


>Serious question.  I've got this front wheel shimmy that occurs at 
about
>70kmh (43mph?) I've got the front wheel balanced when the tire was new
>and the steering bearings recently had to be slightly loosened because
>they were clicking into the straight ahead position.
>
>Can I do anyone of the following?
>
>1.  Fit a steering damper?
>2.  Change to needle bearings?  If so which brand/part number?
>3.  Experiment with diffent handlebar weight combinations?
>
>Yu Seung in Singapore (where 40 degrees F makes no sense at all)
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From: "Greg Eyrich" <greg_eyrich@hotmail.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: shimmy, baby!
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 18:23:49 PST

This is a well documented "Feature" of the PC.  See recent archives for 
potential fixes.


>Serious question.  I've got this front wheel shimmy that occurs at 
about
>70kmh (43mph?) I've got the front wheel balanced when the tire was new
>and the steering bearings recently had to be slightly loosened because
>they were clicking into the straight ahead position.
>
>Can I do anyone of the following?
>
>1.  Fit a steering damper?
>2.  Change to needle bearings?  If so which brand/part number?
>3.  Experiment with diffent handlebar weight combinations?
>
>Yu Seung in Singapore (where 40 degrees F makes no sense at all)
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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 19:43:11 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <pilewis1@concentric.net>
To: Dave Lott <dlwinger@ix17.ix.netcom.com>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Screwed Again

Dave Lott wrote:
> 
 I just love stories with a happy ending.
> 
> --

I sometimes get the feeling that the engineers are just chuckling up a
storm after they design something like this, where the screw is almost
guaranteed to fall into a place that will drive us crazy trying to
retrieve!! :)

I wish I had a dollar for every time it's happened to me!  I could get
another PC!! ;)

Are there any chuckling engineers out there!!!!??

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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 00:24:43 -0500
From: Jason <Crazyapple@ibm.net>
To: pilewis1@concentric.net
CC: Dave Lott <dlwinger@ix17.ix.netcom.com>, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Screwed Again

We're going to find out that Jason created this list because he's actually
one of them.  He just wants to monitor and laugh at us.  (Which he may do
even if he isn't a Honda engineer....)

-Jason (the other one)

Phil Lewis wrote:

> Dave Lott wrote:
> >
>  I just love stories with a happy ending.
> >
> > --
>
> I sometimes get the feeling that the engineers are just chuckling up a
> storm after they design something like this, where the screw is almost
> guaranteed to fall into a place that will drive us crazy trying to
> retrieve!! :)
>
> I wish I had a dollar for every time it's happened to me!  I could get
> another PC!! ;)



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From: JTSMCRIDER <JTSMCRIDER@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 00:47:01 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Screwed Again

Hi, Phil"

Chuckle, Chuckle, Chuckle!  Or would that be Chuckre, Chuckre, Chuckre?

I can laugh because I didn't design the thing and because I still can't find
one of the handlebar-cover screws I dropped in the vicinity of the engine
shroud back during my stator replacement tribulations this fall.

JT
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From: JTSMCRIDER <JTSMCRIDER@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 00:47:02 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: shimmy, baby!

Hi, Yu Seung:

I think most of us have the same problem, at least when we take both hands off
the handlebar in the vicinity of that speed.  Someone a while back claimed a
cure by going to roller bearings, but I have no personal knowledge that this
will work on a PC.  They did help with a similar problem on my old Gold Wing a
decade ago; however.

If the head bearings are in fact clicking into the straight-ahead position,
then they have been damaged and should be changed.  Given that, the roller
bearings would be the way to go. I don't know the part numbers, but any good
bearing supplier should be able to come up with a suitable replacement if you
can present them with the old ball units.

Keep us posted.

JT
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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Re: Screwed Again
From: Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: 06 Jan 1998 23:48:46 -0600
Lines: 14

>>>>> "J" == Jason  <Crazyapple@ibm.net> writes:

J> We're going to find out that Jason created this list because he's
J> actually one of them.  He just wants to monitor and laugh at us.

Nope, sorry.  I actually had to do the battery replacement shuffle the
other day.  Looked up the easy battery removal process in the archives and
set out to do the deed.  "Easy"?  Someone has been playing a cruel joke.  I
cursed at the screw on the positive terminal for at least 30 minutes, all
while counting my blessings that I did the job on a warm day.  (The plastic
on the side panel definitely would have snapped were it any cooler.)  Of
course, it beat disassembling half of the bike to get the battery out.

 - J<
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From: GuntherSki <GuntherSki@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:19:34 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Screwing Around

Hi All,

I posted this tip a while ago but perhaps it bears (sp?) repeating. After you
have wrestled the damn battery out of it's spot, attach a piece of heavy gauge
wire to the positive terminal with a connector covered by heavy rubber or
plastic on the "other" end. This piece should be long enough to hang around
the "front" of the battery. No more hassles when charging or jump
starting......

Z
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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 08:58:22 -0800
From: Bob Anundson <boba@teleport.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Screwing Around

When I installed my connection to my heated vest I connected the hot
lead to a connector block above the battery. That block holds the 30amp
fuse. Anyway, the rear most screw on the starboard side of the block
appears to go directly to the positive terminal on the battery. I didn't
have to pull any plastic to get to it although my butterfingers coupled
with the tight space resulted in sacrificing two allen wrenches to the
bowels of the bike.

Bob


GuntherSki wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I posted this tip a while ago but perhaps it bears (sp?) repeating. After you
> have wrestled the damn battery out of it's spot, attach a piece of heavy gauge
> wire to the positive terminal with a connector covered by heavy rubber or
> plastic on the "other" end. This piece should be long enough to hang around
> the "front" of the battery. No more hassles when charging or jump
> starting......
> 
> Z
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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 09:51:13 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <pilewis1@concentric.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: insurance

Hi There!

I know the insurance thing has been beatin' to death!

But I just wanted to check with you all on my McGraw quote.

Liability 15/30/5, $500 deductable collision for my '90 PC (valued  at
$2850 to $3150, their tables).

Quote $154/year.  My statistics are no tickets/accidents in last 3
years.  Age 46.  They didn't ask about motorcycle Safety course (but
I've been riding since forever............)

Their web page is http://insweb.com/carriers/mcgraw/auto.htm.

If this sounds like a decent price, this will be my insurance company
for the next year.

Thanks for your help.

Phil


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From: BernieK469 <BernieK469@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:28:12 EST
To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: GPS

Has anyone on the list had experience mounting a Garmin III GPS on a PC?

Bernie  
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From: "Prince, Roger" <RPrince@imps0014.us.dg.com>
To: "'pc800'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: FW: PC800: Re: Screwed Again
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:42:56 -0500



> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Prince, Roger 
> Sent:	Wednesday, January 07, 1998 7:54 AM
> To:	'Jason L Tibbitts III'
> Subject:	RE: PC800: Re: Screwed Again
> 
> Oops, I meant to copy the list on this.  This is a resend.
> Roger
> 
> 
> I have found that using one of those screwdrivers that spread in the
> screw slot to grip the screw "usually" keeps the screw under control
> going in either direction.  
> I never had to change a battery.  My '90 had the original after
> 5.5yr/114K miles after coming out of the crate.  Battery tenders work.
> 
> Roger
> 
> 
> Nope, sorry.  I actually had to do the battery replacement shuffle the
> other day.  Looked up the easy battery removal process in the archives
> and
> set out to do the deed.  "Easy"?  Someone has been playing a cruel
> joke.  I
> cursed at the screw on the positive terminal for at least 30 minutes,
> all
> while counting my blessings that I did the job on a warm day.  (The
> plastic
> on the side panel definitely would have snapped were it any cooler.)
> Of
> course, it beat disassembling half of the bike to get the battery out.
> 
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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 16:01:21 -0500
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Cheryl L. Johnson" <clynnj@flinet.com>
Subject: Re: PC800: Hello's and Handgrip's

At 10:06 PM 1/3/98 -0800, you wrote:
>You might also consider junking the stock grips and replacing them with foam
>grips. They are less slippery when wet, and have a slightly wider diameter,
>making for a more comfortable hold. They also absorb some of the road
shock. i
>wouldn't go back to the originals for anything.

I agree, I recently put foam grips on my PC. The ones that
were on there were obviously not stock. They had no bar-end
weights. The foam ones are very comfortable and unbelievably
cheap for a product purchased at my local Honda dealer, $10.
I found it amusing that the instructions call for using hairspray
to glue the new grips on. BTW, I still have no bar end weights
and don't miss them.

Bill Johnson
89PC800
15800 miles
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From: "Ramin Keyvan" <ramin@tibco.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:51:10 -0800
        "PC800: Fw: Sad news.... About Big John- Fireman Joe's DAD..." (Jan  3,  4:53pm)
To: "Fireman Joe" <cableguy@one.net>, "PC800 Listservice" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Fw: Sad news.... About Big John- Fireman Joe's DAD...

Joe,

I would like to extend to you and your family our deepest, heart-felt
condolences at the loss of your father. It sounds like he was a real kick to
have around and his abscense will be deeply felt.

I know that by the time you get this the services will have been over but I
want you to know that Erin and I have had you in our thoughts and will continue
to do so.

Be well my friend,

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From: GuntherSki <GuntherSki@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:12:46 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu
Subject: PC800: Carb. rebuild ?

Hi,

I've got a '76 Kawasaki KZ-400 with KinShun carbs. Upon Carb removal and
partial disassembly, (of the bike AND the carbs..... the bike wouldn't start
and after filling with gas I noticed that is was running out of the carbs....)
I am wondering about finding a rebuild kit.... and also how much REALLY needs
to be replaced/taken apart...

Any tips welcome as I've never done this before, although I am not afraid....

TZ
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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 17:25:41 -0800
From: Alan Taylor <ka2wij@earthlink.net>
To: GuntherSki <GuntherSki@aol.com>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Carb. rebuild ?



GuntherSki wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've got a '76 Kawasaki KZ-400 with KinShun carbs. Upon Carb removal and
> partial disassembly, (of the bike AND the carbs..... the bike wouldn't start
> and after filling with gas I noticed that is was running out of the carbs....)
> I am wondering about finding a rebuild kit.... and also how much REALLY needs
> to be replaced/taken apart...
>
> Any tips welcome as I've never done this before, although I am not afraid....

Carburettor is french for don't touch, however, since you've started, the first
suspect for the leak is the float bowl drain screws at the base of the float bowl.

Next is the float bowl gasket/o-ring depending on which you have. when installing
it, use a heavy silicon grease (not silicon sealer) to hold it in place.

Last is a problem with the float valve. It works just like the valve in a tank
toilet. If it doesn't work right, the carb will flood, and gas will spill out the
overflow.

most rebuild kits contain new seals for the float bowl, and jets if yours uses
them, a new float valve, valve spring, and a guage for setting the float.

If you dunk the carb in solvent, replace all the seals. the solvent will eat them,
otherwise you can get away with only replacing the ones you removed in diassembly.
check the float height andfloat valve operation, synchronize, set idle and ride.

Alan Taylor
95 PC 800 "Midnight"
Long Beach, CA




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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 20:34:52 -0600
From: Mike Ver Velde <m.vervelde@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: PC800: *(&^%$# Weather!
To: JTSMCRIDER <JTSMCRIDER@aol.com>, pc800@hpc.uh.edu




>Once it gets down to too-cold-to-ride, it's too cold to ride.  For our
>Florida/SoCal contingent, that's like +40 (or is that +50); right?  What's
>another 80 degrees got to do with it?


+40?  Is that why Im finding myself being the only rider on my morning
commute these days? Im in the Central Valley, commuting to the SF bay area,
and last Monday it was +30, coldest I've ridden in out here, and it was a
nice ride.  Toes and fingertips were a bit chilly without heaters on, but
otherwise the rest of me (with a silk bacalava) was cozy- and I was wearing
a Motoport Husky suit.  Actually was surprised how warm I was while riding!
Get the right gear and give it a try.
Or is it because I grew up in Minnesota, am a Cheesehead, and former Polar
Bear Club member as a wee kid at summer camp?  I thinketh not!

Mike V
no PMS here.

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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 21:26:43 -0800
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Greg Chambers <greg501@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: PC800: Screwed Again

For those who have lost screws, I recently had most of the plastic off, and
I have two extras left over.  Just let me know if you need them, cuz I ain't
takin' that plastic off again to see where they go on *my* bike!  I feel
somewhat safe, since I had nothing else off, just the plastic.  Oh well.
Someday my fairing will fly off and I won't have to wonder what happened.

Greg Chambers

At 12:47 AM 1/7/98 EST, you wrote:
>Hi, Phil"
>
>Chuckle, Chuckle, Chuckle!  Or would that be Chuckre, Chuckre, Chuckre?
>
>I can laugh because I didn't design the thing and because I still can't find
>one of the handlebar-cover screws I dropped in the vicinity of the engine
>shroud back during my stator replacement tribulations this fall.
>
>JT
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From: JTSMCRIDER <JTSMCRIDER@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 01:19:03 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: *(&^%$# Weather!

You're right, Mike.  The right gear makes all the difference, whether you're
riding in the cold or in the hot.  It can certainly extend the riding season,
at least until the nasty, slick stuff arrives and erases all the traction or
the "blast furnace" cranks up and melts your brain.  Like you, I actually
enjoy cold-weather riding.  However, I grew up in Southern California; so,
the cheesehead/polar-bear factor does not appear to be too relevant.

Enjoy!

JT
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From: TedJ101 <TedJ101@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 03:41:06 EST
To: BernieK469@aol.com, PC800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: GPS

I have one and I thought about it, but haven't done it.  I think you could do
all right with a couple of watch bands inserted through small slots cut in the
speaker area.  Wouldn't be too intrusive a modification when not in use
either...

Just a thought...

Regards,
          <<TED>>
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From: "Mark Lucas" <mjlucas@earthlink.net>
To: "PC800 Mailing List" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: insurance
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 04:26:13 -0800

Sounds like a good price to me.  A MSF Course always helps lower your
insurance.  You'll have to provide the certificate number or copy of the
certificate.  Also AMA Membership with Progressive Insurance is another 10%
off.

Peace,
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From: Phil Lewis <pilewis1@concentric.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 9:52 AM
Subject: PC800: insurance


>Hi There!
>
>I know the insurance thing has been beatin' to death!
>
>But I just wanted to check with you all on my McGraw quote.
>
>Liability 15/30/5, $500 deductable collision for my '90 PC (valued  at
>$2850 to $3150, their tables).
>
>Quote $154/year.  My statistics are no tickets/accidents in last 3
>years.  Age 46.  They didn't ask about motorcycle Safety course (but
>I've been riding since forever............)
>
>Their web page is http://insweb.com/carriers/mcgraw/auto.htm.
>
>If this sounds like a decent price, this will be my insurance company
>for the next year.
>
>Thanks for your help.
>
>Phil
>
>
>*************
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>*'90 PC     *
>*"Delta Red"*
>*So. Cal.   *
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From: "Mark Lucas" <mjlucas@earthlink.net>
To: "PC800 Mailing List" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Screwed Again
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 04:51:50 -0800

Haha!  When I had all the plastic off my bike I only ended up with *1* bolt
left!  However, I *still* have a rattle which I can't determine the location
of.  Solved the rattle on the dash, but there still seems to be one
somewhere under the "gas tank".  Grrrrrrrrr any suggestions?

Peace,
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From: Greg Chambers <greg501@ix.netcom.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: PC800: Screwed Again


>For those who have lost screws, I recently had most of the plastic off, and
>I have two extras left over.  Just let me know if you need them, cuz I
ain't
>takin' that plastic off again to see where they go on *my* bike!  I feel
>somewhat safe, since I had nothing else off, just the plastic.  Oh well.
>Someday my fairing will fly off and I won't have to wonder what happened.
>
>Greg Chambers
>
>At 12:47 AM 1/7/98 EST, you wrote:
>>Hi, Phil"
>>
>>Chuckle, Chuckle, Chuckle!  Or would that be Chuckre, Chuckre, Chuckre?
>>
>>I can laugh because I didn't design the thing and because I still can't
find
>>one of the handlebar-cover screws I dropped in the vicinity of the engine
>>shroud back during my stator replacement tribulations this fall.
>>
>>JT
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From: "Vincent Santamaria" <vsantamaria@worldnet.att.net>
To: <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Hello's and Handgrip's
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:07:05 -0500

I use hair spray all the time when I replace the grips. My favorite grips
are the foam ones from JC Whitney for about $3.00. The are bigger in the
middle and don't interfer with the cruise control/trottle friction device.
Vince in Fort Myers,FL 

----------
> I agree, I recently put foam grips on my PC. The ones that
> were on there were obviously not stock. They had no bar-end
> weights. The foam ones are very comfortable and unbelievably
> cheap for a product purchased at my local Honda dealer, $10.
> I found it amusing that the instructions call for using hairspray
> to glue the new grips on. BTW, I still have no bar end weights

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:48:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Lewis Farmer <lewis_farmer@yahoo.com>
Subject: PC800: Out of the Closet
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

All,

Well, I guess its time for me to stop lurking and start participating
more actively in this list.  First, for the vital statistics:

Name: Lewis Farmer
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
Email: Lewis_Farmer@yahoo.com
PC Model Year: 1989
Bought: Used in Dec. 1997 with just under 16000 miles
Modifications (that I know of): Honda Tall Wind screen; Honda
Passenger back rest; thicker grips; it also looks like the throttle
grip has been trimmed to accommodate a Vista-Cruise throttle lock on
the end of the bar.

I am one of those old codgers who used to ride regularly during the
early to mid seventies (had no car) but have not since.  Back then I
did dirt/commuting/touring on a variety of Hondas.  Always wanted a
BMW for touring.

Recently I have become able to ride again.  When I started shopping
for a bike and describing what I wanted to various salesmen, if they
had anything to do with Honda, they said what I was describing was a
PC (even the local BMW dealer).  Sceptical of any unanimous
recommendation as a potential conspiracy, I decided to check out this
list.  A review of the archives and a couple of months of active
lurking have convinced me that you all are in cahoots with the Honda
salesmen.

But I like the looks of and many of the features of the bike, so I
bought one.

I will probably bring more questions than anything else to the list
initially but hope to contribute eventually.

  
Lewis
  
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 09:01:54 -0800
From: Eric Matthews <ericeric@concentric.net>
To: PC800 Mail List <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Out of the Closet

He found us out guys, what are we gonna do?


Welcome to the group Lewis!

Eric

Lewis Farmer wrote:

> A review of the archives and a couple of months of active
> lurking have convinced me that you all are in cahoots with the Honda
> salesmen.
> Lewis



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From: Jfmoemd <Jfmoemd@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:06:44 EST
To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Screwed Again

Guys,

I have a great idea:  You have holes that need screws;  I have extra screws
and bolts from my last plastic torture adventure.  Maybe we could swap and get
all the troubles fixed!

John
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 14:19:56 -0600
From: Steve Wilson <deere@linknet.net>
To: Lewis Farmer <lewis_farmer@yahoo.com>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Out of the Closet

Welcome to the list. Glad you came out. Now to the important stuff. How big
is your back yard? Enough room for a few tents in the spring and summer? In
exchange for directions to your campground some of us may be willing to
give you the real answers to your questions. First, you picked the right
bike. Second, the only conspiracy here is to keep the bike a secret. If
every one had one it would lose the majority of it's appeal.
I'm sure you have already noticed the stares. Now I know why fried eggs
would want to become grapefruits. I love it when they ask, "Can I touch
it". I'm so easy. Don't tell any of the 94-95 owners on the list but I
think the "89" is the best looking of them all. I still have the original
sales brochure from then complete with dried drool and all.

Steve Wilson
95 PC800
Ruston LA


Lewis Farmer wrote:

> All,
> Well, I guess its time for me to stop lurking and start participating
> more actively in this list.  First, for the vital statistics:
>
> Name: Lewis Farmer
> Location: Colorado Springs, CO
> Email: Lewis_Farmer@yahoo.com
> PC Model Year: 1989
> Bought: Used in Dec. 1997 with just under 16000 miles
> Modifications (that I know of): Honda Tall Wind screen; Honda
> Passenger back rest; thicker grips; it also looks like the throttle
> grip has been trimmed to accommodate a Vista-Cruise throttle lock on
> the end of the bar.
>
> I am one of those old codgers who used to ride regularly during the
> early to mid seventies (had no car) but have not since.  Back then I
> did dirt/commuting/touring on a variety of Hondas.  Always wanted a
> BMW for touring.
>
> Recently I have become able to ride again.  When I started shopping
> for a bike and describing what I wanted to various salesmen, if they
> had anything to do with Honda, they said what I was describing was a
> PC (even the local BMW dealer).  Sceptical of any unanimous
> recommendation as a potential conspiracy, I decided to check out this
> list.  A review of the archives and a couple of months of active
> lurking have convinced me that you all are in cahoots with the Honda
> salesmen.
>
> But I like the looks of and many of the features of the bike, so I
> bought one.
>
> I will probably bring more questions than anything else to the list
> initially but hope to contribute eventually.
>
>
> Lewis
>
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:52:40 -0600 (CST)
To: BernieK469 <BernieK469@aol.com>
From: Keith Sproul <ksproul@rci.rutgers.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: GPS
Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu

>Has anyone on the list had experience mounting a Garmin III GPS on a PC?
>
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I have mounted a GPS-III on my Goldwing, and have played with it on the PC,
but have not mounted it permanetly like on the GW.

With what I know about mounting it on the GW and with what else I have
mounted on the PC, it would be very simple to mount it on the PC in the
same fashion as the GW.



Check out:	http://msproul/motorcycle/gpsmount.html


Keith Sproul



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1994 Pacific Coast
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:35:04 -0500
From: Dave Bartlett <dlb@cisco.com>
To: Mark Lucas <mjlucas@earthlink.net>
Cc: PC800 Mailing List <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: insurance

On Thu, Jan 08, 1998 at 04:26:13AM -0800, Mark Lucas wrote:
-> Sounds like a good price to me.  A MSF Course always helps lower your
-> insurance.  You'll have to provide the certificate number or copy of the
-> certificate.  Also AMA Membership with Progressive Insurance is another 10%
-> off.

Ok... you got me started again...

There are two things that are currently driving me insane in North Carolina...

Insurance, and the lousy cagers.

Unfortunately, McGraw is CA only, and Progressive doesn't write motorcycle
 policies in NC.

I am paying ~$650/year on my '96 PC with full coverage...  I am 30 years old,
 and 1 speeding ticket about 10 months ago... and 1 accident 2.5 years ago
 which I was not at fault.. someone rear-ended me.

When I purchased my first motorcycle ('96 PC800) 6 months ago, I needed
 insurance THAT day... so I called around with various independent agents.
 The cheapest I got was $700/6 months.  That was with Integon.  I paid half
 down.  A few weeks later, I got a bill for $1200 for the remainder of the
 6 months.  I didn't quite understand how $1200 could be half of $700, so I
 was extremely upset.  Even though my auto insurance was charging me for my
 speeding ticket, Integon was going to do it also.  From what I hear, the
 insurance point should be on your highest cost vehicle, but in this case,
 they wanted it on my motorcycle, and they were also charging me for the
 accident I was in 2 years before.  They were willing to remove the accident
 from the bill if I furnished a copy of the accident report.  I was still
 upset, so I changed insurance companies.  In North Carolina, if you cancel
 a policy before it is over, then the insurance company is allowed to keep
 10% of the premium as a cancelation penalty.  I called around, State Farm
 sounded really good.  For the same coverage as I was getting with Integon,
 they would charge me $216/6 months.  And if I wanted $500K limits, it would
 only be $276/6 months.  So I went with that.  A few weeks later, I get a
 bill saying my coverage has been reduced to the miniums, and that I owe
 them another $30.  Of course I am upset, but still it is cheaper
 (not by much) than other insurance companies.  I called every insurance
 company in this area, that was in the yellow pages.  There were different
 quotes from different agents for the same insurance company.  And on top
 of that, they screwed my insurance up so that I didn't have comprehensive,
 so that was another $30.  I also have an '86 V65 Magna, which is about
 (I believe $130/6 months) with liability and comprehensive... no collision.

And how do they calculate the premiums?  Do they do it on the book value, or
 the cost new?  When I was getting insurance for my V65, they all asked me what
 the original value was.  I purchased it 11 years old, so I purchased it for
 alot less than the original purchase price.  So I told them what I purchased
 it for.  What are they going to pay you for it if someone steals it?
 What you paid for it, or what it originally cost?  Yeah, what YOU paid for it,
 so the insurance *STEALS* money by calculating the premium from the original
 cost of the bike.

I have had the 1 speeding ticket, and I am treating like I was a really horrible
 driving record.  In fact, some insurance companies won't take me because I
 have that speeding ticket within a year.  One minute of indiscretion, and
 it is going to cost me well over $1000.  I am at the airport, and a dump
 truck (they are always doing construction all over RDU) is dropping rocks and
 clumps of dirt, which are bouncing up and hitting my truck, so when the road
 became more than a single lane, I changed lanes, and accelerated around him,
 and that is when the officer nailed me.  50mph in a 35mph zone.  He said it
 wouldn't affect my insurance, and since I (ignorantly) believed him, I paid
 the ticket, and now I am suffering the consequences of believing a police
 officer.  NEVER, EVER, BELIEVE A POLICE OFFICER ON ANYTHING.  Talk to a
 lawyer.  I could have gone to court, and had it reduced to 9 over, and
 then it would not have affected my insurance, or I could have asked for a
 PJC (Prayer for Judgement Continued), and then it wouldn't have affected my
 insurance... but definitely, DON'T PAY THE TICKET OUTRIGHT!  GO TO COURT!
 It will same you money in the long run.

Insurance is such a scam..  while I am law abiding and only drive/ride with it,
 12% of the people in North Carolina don't have it.  That is what scares me.

Since State Farm is close to the only company which will issue
 liability and comprehensive without collision, I stayed with them
 (although it was with reluctance).

Insurance companies are really bad with motorcycle insurance.  Every company
 I called had no idea what a Pacific Coast was.  Some read a list, and if
 the bike is on that list, they can't insure it.  They don't even have any
 idea what the bikes are.  A V65 Magna is on the list for Nationwide, so
 why isn't a V65 Sabre?  It's the same engine.  A Valkyrie is probably close
 to the performance of a V65, and yet, it isn't on the list.

Anyways... I got my fustrations out.. it was building up because I just
 paid my auto insurance last night.... and I will be paying my motorcycle
 insurance in the next 6-8 weeks. I hope what I have said helps someone
 else in NC...

I think insurance companies are down there with the lawyers.  What a bunch of
 thieves.

 - dlb

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:14:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Nick Witzell <nick@boreas.whoi.edu>
To: Keith Sproul <ksproul@rci.rutgers.edu>
cc: BernieK469 <BernieK469@aol.com>, PC800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: GPS


GPS...

I own, used or have bought 11 gps systems.
Do not buy Magellan!

Go to usenet news for gps (I can't remember the arcane dweebe name for the
group). 

I own 2 Magellan systems both are weak to poor in the user interface... 
and both are sloooooooooooooooooow

Nick

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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 16:44:05 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <pilewis1@concentric.net>
To: Dave Bartlett <dlb@cisco.com>
CC: PC800 Mailing List <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: insurance

Dave Bartlett wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Jan 08, 1998 at 04:26:13AM -0800, Mark Lucas wrote:
> -> Sounds like a good price to me.  A MSF Course always helps lower your
> -> insurance.  You'll have to provide the certificate number or copy of the
> -> certificate.  Also AMA Membership with Progressive Insurance is another 10%
> -> off.
> 
> Ok... you got me started again...
> 

I'm sorry I got everybody worked up on insurance again, so this is my
last entry. 

I'm going with Progressive Insurance from a Guy up in the San Francisco
area.  It's 15/30/10, $250 deductible, with uninsured motorist....
$235/year.  After a fair amount of investigation, that's about the best
I can get in So. Cal.

Thanks for all the help.

Happy and safe riding and hoping for warmer temps for Y'All,

Phil

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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 19:56:15 -0500
From: "Douglas Ford" <dford@tidalwave.net>
To: PC800 Mailing List <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: JC Whitney website?

Does anyone know if JC Whitney will 'eventually' get around to providing
a web site to customers, or potential customers?  The page at
http://www.jcwhitney.com says it was last updated on February 19, 1997! 
Or maybe there's another site I'm not aware of?

Doug Ford
Odenton, MD
'97 PC800 -- 2300 miles
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From: Jim Randall <jrandall@tricon.net>
To: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: FW: PC800: Out of the Closet
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 20:30:48 -0500


>Don't tell any of the 94-95 owners on the list but I
>think the "89" is the best looking of them all. I still have the original
>sales brochure from then complete with dried drool and all.

>Steve Wilson
>95 PC800

Steve, Steve, Steve, what are we going to do with you? You've gone
and defected to the pearl white crowd. 

Jim Randall - 95 PC800
jrandall@tricon.net


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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:32:35 -0500
To: Keith Sproul <ksproul@rci.rutgers.edu>
From: Francois Saint Laurent <fsl@borgconsulting.com>
Subject: Re: PC800: GPS
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

Keith Sproul wrote:

>I have mounted a GPS-III on my Goldwing, and have played with it on the PC,
>but have not mounted it permanetly like on the GW.
>
<snip>
>
>Check out:	http://msproul/motorcycle/gpsmount.html
>
>

Hi Keith.

What is the correct address? I would like to see the mounting for the GPS .

Thanks...

fsl  :-)

(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)

Francois Saint Laurent 	'95 PC800
Ottawa, Canada		Waltzing Matilda

 	HSTA Member Number 7470

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From: pckwong@hkusua.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: Re: PC800: JC Whitney website?
To: dford@tidalwave.net (Douglas Ford)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:04:48 +0800 (HKT)
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

Hi Doug and all,

> Does anyone know if JC Whitney will 'eventually' get around to providing
> a web site to customers, or potential customers?  The page at
> http://www.jcwhitney.com says it was last updated on February 19, 1997! 
> Or maybe there's another site I'm not aware of?

The URL should be :

	http://www.jcwhitneyusa.com/

Enjoy!  But I had problem in acessing from Hong Kong.  It was either
hanging in the middle of reading or just couldn't get access.  But there
it is anyway.

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  *               Vice Chairman, Safe Riders (HK) Association             *
  *               GWRRA Hong Kong Chapter (proposed)                      *
  *                                                                       *
  * VR2XVI <-- HAM         '95 GL1500SE Candy Red    <-- the flooded bike *
  * PCA420 <-- Hong Kong   '84 GL1200A  2 tone beige <-- the chromed bike * 
  *            Aux Police  '90 PC800    Candy Red    <-- My little Wing   * 
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 04:49:43 -0500
From: "Douglas Ford" <dford@tidalwave.net>
To: VR2XVI <pckwong@hkusua.hku.hk>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: JC Whitney website?

Waahoooooo!!  Thanks much for the URL.  I still wonder if the original
is going to ever be updated...maybe even just to redirect to the
jcwhitneyusa site?  Thanks again.

Doug Ford
KG0MX  <-- HAM also
Odenton, MD


VR2XVI wrote:
> 
> Hi Doug and all,
> 
> > Does anyone know if JC Whitney will 'eventually' get around to providing
> > a web site to customers, or potential customers?  The page at
> > http://www.jcwhitney.com says it was last updated on February 19, 1997!
> > Or maybe there's another site I'm not aware of?
> 
> The URL should be :
> 
>         http://www.jcwhitneyusa.com/
> 
> Enjoy!  But I had problem in acessing from Hong Kong.  It was either
> hanging in the middle of reading or just couldn't get access.  But there
> it is anyway.
> 
> --
> 
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>   * Philips Wong, Colonial Special Constabulary Medal                     *
>   *               Vice Chairman, Safe Riders (HK) Association             *
>   *               GWRRA Hong Kong Chapter (proposed)                      *
>   *                                                                       *
>   * VR2XVI <-- HAM         '95 GL1500SE Candy Red    <-- the flooded bike *
>   * PCA420 <-- Hong Kong   '84 GL1200A  2 tone beige <-- the chromed bike *
>   *            Aux Police  '90 PC800    Candy Red    <-- My little Wing   *
>   * 101177 <-- GWRRA           CBX750 Police Edition <-- Muscle!          *
>   *                                                                       *
>   *  Commissioner Maxwell, Hong Kong Police, 1959 :                       *
>   *  " I have the honour to be, Sir, your obedient servant! "             *
>   *                                                                       *
>   *************************************************************************
>   * Will work for gas and chrome, I have 2 Wings, and a baby Wing at home *
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Subject: PC800: Owner's Manual/The story of
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 98 14:26:41 +0200
From: will branders <atelierp@xs4all.be>
To: "pc800mailto" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>

Indeed, Will posted on this list: looking for copy of the 'Owner's =
Manual' jan.02
Jim's reply to Will's message (FW to this list) something like : =
"have one in m'left hand, If someone out there wants it...?
Phil:If I'm the first to respond,I'll take it.
Will:!&!??=BA=C2!! I do want it Jim: Y' don't remember m' message you =
replied to?
Jim: Sorry Will, Ted beat you (and about a half-dozen others to it)

Will now wonder's/where is the logic in this/ why posting a message =
on the list when apparently there are half-dozen people to =
.....(did'nt they read Will' request,or what)
It beats me (European humanist versus the American Dream -Live is for =
the fast people)
Pardon me folks/ I think I know by now what it means to 'feel pissed =
off',like they say in America no.
I will advise m'friend to sell his PC and to return to Suzuki with a =
manal/before he gets it too and joins too make a dozen of them out =
there.
Sorry for Y time folks, but I had to respond. But, who is unpol. in =
the first place! 

PS: THANKS AGAIN FRANS AND RUF FOR THE TIPS / PROOF FOR HOPE
UNSUBCRIBE WILL FROM PC800LIST/ BYE
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 08:39:13 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <pilewis1@concentric.net>
To: will branders <atelierp@xs4all.be>
CC: pc800mailto <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Owner's Manual/The story of

will branders wrote:
> 

> Pardon me folks/ I think I know by now what it means to 'feel pissed off'

Hey Will, I think you may be over-reacting just a little bit!

I don't read every message that comes across, and so I must have missed
yours, and maybe the same is true of Jim.  If you don't like the bike,
then don't ride it for that reason!  Don't make that decision over what
is probably a misunderstanding.  

I currently don't have a manual, but if I did, I'd give it to you.  

Things happen, people make mistakes, but the world is too small to not
be friendly.

Ride safe and happy!

Take care,

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 10:49:27 -0600
From: Steve Wilson <deere@linknet.net>
To: Jim Randall <jrandall@tricon.net>
CC: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: FW: PC800: Out of the Closet

Sorry. I lost my  head for a minute. My New Year resolution is to not look in
the old brochure and hopefully I don't see an "89" on the road. My "95" is the
best looking and performing bike I have ever owned.(only other was a 900 Kaw)

Jim Randall wrote:

> >Don't tell any of the 94-95 owners on the list but I
> >think the "89" is the best looking of them all. I still have the original
> >sales brochure from then complete with dried drool and all.
>
> >Steve Wilson
> >95 PC800
>
> Steve, Steve, Steve, what are we going to do with you? You've gone
> and defected to the pearl white crowd.
>
> Jim Randall - 95 PC800
> jrandall@tricon.net
>
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 09:00:16 -0700
From: Dave Gross <dkgross@halcyon.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: FW: PC800: Out of the Closet

you were right the first time.  Pearl is best :>)

It's actually not raining in Seattle today..may have to ride...although it's
only 38 degrees out.  brrrr.



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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 10:58:23 -0600
From: Steve Wilson <deere@linknet.net>
To: dkgross@halcyon.com
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: FW: PC800: Out of the Closet

First day without rain in what seems a month. I will take time out from ark
building and go for a ride today too. It's supposed to get 55ish today.

Dave Gross wrote:

> you were right the first time.  Pearl is best :>)
>
> It's actually not raining in Seattle today..may have to ride...although it's
> only 38 degrees out.  brrrr.
>
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 10:31:01 -0800
From: Alan Taylor <ka2wij@earthlink.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: PC Flu

Apparently the flu that has been sweeping California also affects PC's.
Midnight caught it.

Wednesday I was cruising down the freeway doing 75 at about 5k RPM, when
the RPM's suddenly dropped off. Not a lot, I was able to maintain speed
by adding throttle, but it sounded like only one cylinder was firing.
this lasted about a minute, then cleared. It repeated about 2 minutes
later, cleared and was fine. I put it down to a slug of water in the
gas.

Yesterday, I noticed a slight hesitation on accelerating, but so slight
I wasn't sure it was there. I ran down the tank, and refilled it.

I took surface streets home, about 20 miles. There was an occasional
sound like you hear when going over deck plates, but it was hard to tell
if it was coming from Midnight.

About 3 miles from home, the engine started missing, and the problem got
worse very quickly. It started backfiring, and i had to keep the RPM up
to keep it from stalling at lights. When it did stall, I was able to
start it all right.

Except for puffs of black smoke when it backfired, there was no unusual
exhaust,and the temperature stayed in the range. Oil and water levels
are normal.

There was a faint smell of burning rubber coming from the engine area.

I'm hoping it's only a shorted ignition wire. I can't afford a valve or
timing chain repair right now.

i'm taking it into the dealer this weekend, and will share the results
with the group.

I'm also hoping it wil be roadworthy in time for the SCPCRC ride to Mt
Palomar next saturday. If I'm not there, you'll know why.

Alan Taylor
95 PC800 "Midnight"
Long Beach, CA


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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:32:37 PT
From: "PETER NOETH, SR. SYSTEMS ENGINEER, SFO DEV. X5567"
 <PETER_N1@sfov1.verifone.com>
Subject: PC800: Is this URL correct?
To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu
Cc: _PETER_N1@sfov1.verifone.com
 /FONT=Courier-Bold/LINES=66/LEFT_MARGIN=36/CALCULATE/TOP_MARGIN=36/BOTTOM_MARGIN=36

Keith,

  Your response to Bernie below indicates a URL where you have info/picture 
of your mount for the Garmin GPSIII. I have tried to access this location, 
but I get a message stating that "MSPROUL does not have a valid DNS entry". 
Is there something wrong with this URL or is it incomplete?


Regards,

Peter

------------ CLIP -------------------------

I have mounted a GPS-III on my Goldwing, and have played with it on the PC,
but have not mounted it permanetly like on the GW.

With what I know about mounting it on the GW and with what else I have
mounted on the PC, it would be very simple to mount it on the PC in the
same fashion as the GW.



Check out:      http://msproul/motorcycle/gpsmount.html


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	 Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:42:22 -0800

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From: "John Louk" <johnnytech@email.msn.com>
To: "pc800" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Colors
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:42:51 -0500

It is clearly an axiom of good taste that the Candy Glory Red 1990 PC is by
the far the most aesthetically pleasing PC800 manufactured.  Its finish is
flawless, its owners discerning.   To see one is to experience rapture!   To
own one is to gain everything worthwhile!                             <grin>

John Louk
'90 PC ("Ruby")




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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 12:52:58 -0900
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
Subject: PC800: Colors

At 16:42 1/9/98 -0500, John Louk wrote:
>It is clearly an axiom of good taste that the Candy Glory Red 1990 PC is by
>the far the most aesthetically pleasing PC800 manufactured.  Its finish is
>flawless, its owners discerning.   To see one is to experience rapture!   To
>own one is to gain everything worthwhile!                             <grin>


Yeah, what he said.  :-)

Juan (currently suffering through a -5F heatwave)

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From: "Vincent Santamaria" <vsantamaria@worldnet.att.net>
To: <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Colors
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:16:55 -0500

John and Juan speaketh the truth. The 1990 is the true color and all other
colors are wannabees.
Vince in Fort Myers,Fl 70 degrees fixing to go riding.

----------
> >It is clearly an axiom of good taste that the Candy Glory Red 1990 PC is
by
> >the far the most aesthetically pleasing PC800 manufactured.  Its finish
is
> >flawless, its owners discerning.   To see one is to experience rapture! 
 To
> >own one is to gain everything worthwhile!                             
> 
> Yeah, what he said.  :-)
> 
> Juan (currently suffering through a -5F heatwave)

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From: "Spencer" <shw@thevision.net>
To: "John Louk" <johnnytech@email.msn.com>, "pc800" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Colors
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:31:52 -0800

Amen, brother

Spencer '90

----------
> From: John Louk <johnnytech@email.msn.com>
> To: pc800 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
> Subject: PC800: Colors
> Date: Friday, January 09, 1998 1:42 PM
> 
> It is clearly an axiom of good taste that the Candy Glory Red 1990 PC is
by
> the far the most aesthetically pleasing PC800 manufactured.  Its finish
is
> flawless, its owners discerning.   To see one is to experience rapture!  
To
> own one is to gain everything worthwhile!                            
<grin>
> 
> John Louk
> '90 PC ("Ruby")
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:31:02 PT
From: "PETER NOETH, SR. SYSTEMS ENGINEER, SFO DEV. X5567"
 <PETER_N1@sfov1.verifone.com>
Subject: Re: PC800: Colors
To: vsantamaria@worldnet.att.net
Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu, _PETER_N1@sfov1.verifone.com
 /FONT=Courier-Bold/LINES=66/LEFT_MARGIN=36/CALCULATE/TOP_MARGIN=36/BOTTOM_MARGIN=36

  Lets not start this again!! This list server is becoming more of a chat room 
than a place to share useful information about the PC.

  I was on vacation for 3 weeks and off of e-mail, and I recieved over 250 
e-mails from this list server that were best kept between individuals and 
not broadcast for all to suffer through!


Let the flaming begin....


Peter

'96 PC  1600 miles and loving every minuite!

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From: pckwong@hkusua.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: PC800: Re: [Wings] "blue light special" (fwd)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:07:48 +0800 (HKT)

If any of you PCers want to put on a blue ion bulb, check and make sure

> << You would be advised to check with your local Hwy Patrol/ State Troopers/
>  Traffic section before mounting these imitation GDLS lights. If anyone has
>  found a "legal" GDLS unit for a Wing I would be interested to hear about it.
> >>
> 
> In California, (Fremont/SF Bay Area) two of our finest GW members were pulled
> over and were written up for having the Blue ION headlight bulbs and for some
> blue large marker lights that are in the radiator vents. They are going into
> arbritration for the blue lights in the vents and eating the headlight one.
> Some of us are changing back to the wht lights (me) and some are going to
> chance it for a while yet. 

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  * 101177 <-- GWRRA           CBX750 Police Edition <-- Muscle!          *     
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 23:59:07 -0600
From: jgeistlubtx@door.net (geist, james)
To: PC800 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Question about my new Rifle...

Hello all.

I installed my Rifle today. It look's great and work's even better. All
of the hole's lined up just fine. I recall reading some post about a few
problems with holes matching. I must have been lucky, huh. 

One question, though. What windshield cleaner is recomended for the
Rifle. I've heard that over time, windshield's tend to become brittle
and dry. Are there any product's out there that can prevent this from
happening?

Thank's.
James
Lubbock, Tx.
'90 PC
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From: "Mike Whited" <MikeTW@worldnet.att.net>
To: "Lewis Farmer" <lewis_farmer@yahoo.com>, <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Out of the Closet
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 08:58:42 -0500

Welcome Lewis,

I think you'll find quite a few codgers here. 

Born in the 1st half of the century,
I learned to ride in '64 but coulden't own a bike 'till 71.

With age comes wisdom...

Mike 
Columbus OH.

'94 PC
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> From: Lewis Farmer <lewis_farmer@yahoo.com>
> To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
> Subject: PC800: Out of the Closet
> Date: Thursday, January 08, 1998 11:48 AM
> 
> All,
> 
> Well, I guess its time for me to stop lurking and start participating
> more actively in this list.  First, for the vital statistics:
> 
> Name: Lewis Farmer
> Location: Colorado Springs, CO
> Email: Lewis_Farmer@yahoo.com
> PC Model Year: 1989
> Bought: Used in Dec. 1997 with just under 16000 miles
> Modifications (that I know of): Honda Tall Wind screen; Honda
> Passenger back rest; thicker grips; it also looks like the throttle
> grip has been trimmed to accommodate a Vista-Cruise throttle lock on
> the end of the bar.
> 
> I am one of those old codgers who used to ride regularly during the
> early to mid seventies (had no car) but have not since.  Back then I
> did dirt/commuting/touring on a variety of Hondas.  Always wanted a
> BMW for touring.
> 
> Recently I have become able to ride again.  When I started shopping
> for a bike and describing what I wanted to various salesmen, if they
> had anything to do with Honda, they said what I was describing was a
> PC (even the local BMW dealer).  Sceptical of any unanimous
> recommendation as a potential conspiracy, I decided to check out this
> list.  A review of the archives and a couple of months of active
> lurking have convinced me that you all are in cahoots with the Honda
> salesmen.
> 
> But I like the looks of and many of the features of the bike, so I
> bought one.
> 
> I will probably bring more questions than anything else to the list
> initially but hope to contribute eventually.
> 
>   
> Lewis
>   
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
> 
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From: "John J. Scalisi" <jscalisi@snet.net>
To: "geist, james" <jgeistlubtx@door.net>
Cc: "PC800 Mail List" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Question about my new Rifle...
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:20:32 -0500

Hey James,
    With your Rifle installed does the plastic piece just below the
winshield (the long narrow one that wraps around from side to side just
above the headlight) fit back on tightly, or are there gaps on one or both
sides?  My PC had a Rifle when purchased and there is a gap on the left side
(when sitting on the bike).  I've read on this list that's normal what some
people have done to remedy the problem.  Just wondering how you made out.



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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 08:57:46 -0800
From: Alan Taylor <ka2wij@earthlink.net>
To: "geist, james" <jgeistlubtx@door.net>
CC: PC800 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Question about my new Rifle...



geist, james wrote:

> Hello all.
>
> I installed my Rifle today. It look's great and work's even better. All
> of the hole's lined up just fine. I recall reading some post about a few
> problems with holes matching. I must have been lucky, huh.

Or Rifle has discovered QC.

>
>
> One question, though. What windshield cleaner is recomended for the
> Rifle. I've heard that over time, windshield's tend to become brittle
> and dry. Are there any product's out there that can prevent this from
> happening?

The Maquiar line is highly recommended, and includes cleaners, polishes and
a scratch repair kit.

the products are usually available at pilot supply, boating supply and the
bigger auto dealers like Pep boys.

The maquiar page is at

http://www.meguiars.com/

I use the Honda spray cleaner polish. It fills in the small scratches, and
bugs slide off easily when cleaning. Since it contains a wax, there is a
film that will cloud up after a while, but is easily wiped off.

The material the Rifle is made of is highly UV resistant, and the honda
cleaner adds protection on top of that. After 9 months and 8k miles, mine is
like new.


> Alan Taylor

95 PC 800 "Midnight"Long Beach, CA

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From: Jim Randall <jrandall@tricon.net>
To: "'will branders'" <atelierp@xs4all.be>
Cc: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: PC800: Owner's Manual/The story of
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:11:50 -0500

Well Will, if you want to be pissed off at someone it should be me not =
the PC 800=20
list. In retrospect I suppose I should have directed my mail directly =
back to you but=20
I didn't. I have the original notes in my Sent Items. Here's what =
actually transpired:

                                           xxxxxx clip xxxxxxx

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To: PC800 List

Just the other day I was scanning the "old" service manual shelf at the =
local=20
Honda dealer - there was one for the 89-90 PC800 and another for the=20
89-90, 94-96 models. I bought the latter for $28. I'm pretty sure the =
89-90 is=20
still there. If someone out there wants me to pick it up for them, I'll =
do so and=20
mail it to you.

Jim Randall
jrandall@tricon.net

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From:	frans klaus [SMTP:Frans.Klaus@net.HCC.nl]
Sent:	Friday, January 02, 1998 9:56 PM
To:	atelierp@xs4all.be
Cc:	pc800mailto
Subject:	Re: PC800: PC800 (RC34) Owner's manual

atelierp@xs4all.be wrote:
>=20
> Dear bikers, PC800 lovers...
> M'best friend,proud owner of a 2hand cream-colored PC800(RC34) '94?
> would be very happy with a copy of the 'Owner's (read Service) manuel.
> Can't find it on the net! Somewhere on the MajordomoPC800 list?
> He would be very suprised if it would fall out of SPACE/ Curious =
myself/
>=20
> Thanks in advance.
>=20
> W.Branders/Belgium/Brussels/jan.02,98    By the way: HAPPY '98/ AND A =
LOT
> OF MILES
>=20
> atelierp@xs4all.be
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I was faced with the same problem, a PC800 (1989) without manual. I
wrote to Honda Nederland B.V. and got the message that I could order it
at any dutch Honda dealer  under itemnumber 31mr5620 (for the 1994
model, 1989 not available any more). That is how I got it in the
Netherlands.
Good luck

frans
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I supposed I must have assumed since Franz Klaus answered your post with =
a solution=20
you might not be interested in the manual (which BTW, I did not have in =
my left hand -
I made 50 mile round trip to pick it up). At any rate I offered it to =
the list and there were
as you noted a number of people interested. Ted's reply was the first I =
received.=20

I'm sorry if I have offended you. I certainly didn't mean to and I =
suppose if I had read=20
the posts more carefully, I might have handled the situation better. If =
you choose to
leave the list then, farewell; but, please don't let my indiscretion =
drive you away.

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From:	will branders [SMTP:atelierp@xs4all.be]
Sent:	Friday, January 09, 1998 7:27 AM
To:	pc800mailto
Subject:	PC800: Owner's Manual/The story of

Indeed, Will posted on this list: looking for copy of the 'Owner's =
Manual' jan.02
Jim's reply to Will's message (FW to this list) something like : "have =
one in m'left hand, If someone out there wants it...?
Phil:If I'm the first to respond,I'll take it.
Will:!&!??=BA=C2!! I do want it Jim: Y' don't remember m' message you =
replied to?
Jim: Sorry Will, Ted beat you (and about a half-dozen others to it)

Will now wonder's/where is the logic in this/ why posting a message on =
the list when apparently there are half-dozen people to ....(did'nt they =
read Will' request,or what)
It beats me (European humanist versus the American Dream -Live is for =
the fast people)
Pardon me folks/ I think I know by now what it means to 'feel pissed =
off',like they say in America no.
I will advise m'friend to sell his PC and to return to Suzuki with a =
manal/before he gets it too and joins too make a dozen of them out =
there.
Sorry for Y time folks, but I had to respond. But, who is unpol. in the =
first place!

PS: THANKS AGAIN FRANS AND RUF FOR THE TIPS / PROOF FOR HOPE
UNSUBCRIBE WILL FROM PC800LIST/ BYE
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:06:46 -0800
From: Alan Taylor <ka2wij@earthlink.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: SALES DEPARTMENT

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Dear group,

My dealer is offering a special on the 97 for $6,999. their URL is below

Alan

http://www.mid-citieshonda.com/sales.htm

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:11:21 -0800
From: Alan Taylor <ka2wij@earthlink.net>
To: Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Re: SALES DEPARTMENT



Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:

> >>>>> "AT" == Alan Taylor <ka2wij@earthlink.net> writes:
>
> AT> My dealer is offering a special on the 97 for $6,999. their URL is
> AT> below
>
> Could you be so kind as to tell us where you are?

Sorry Jason,

my mind wanders, and doesn't always make it home for dinner.

Alan Tyalor
95 PC 800 "Midnight"
Long Beach, CA

how's that?

>
>
> alan



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To: ka2wij@earthlink.net
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Re: SALES DEPARTMENT
From: Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: 10 Jan 1998 23:07:16 -0600
Lines: 8

>>>>> "AT" == Alan Taylor <ka2wij@earthlink.net> writes:

AT> My dealer is offering a special on the 97 for $6,999. their URL is
AT> below

Could you be so kind as to tell us where you are?

 - J<
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:23:02 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <pilewis1@concentric.net>
To: ka2wij@earthlink.net
CC: Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu>, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Re: SALES DEPARTMENT

But why buy a new '97 when Rusty has a very nice customized '90 for about
half that price!?

Oh Rusty, if you're reading this, how about joining us on the 17th??

Take it easy,

Phil

-----------------------------------------------
Alan Taylor wrote:

> Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
>
> > >>>>> "AT" == Alan Taylor <ka2wij@earthlink.net> writes:
> >
> > AT> My dealer is offering a special on the 97 for $6,999. their URL is
> > AT> below
> >
> > Could you be so kind as to tell us where you are?
>
> Sorry Jason,
>
> my mind wanders, and doesn't always make it home for dinner.
>
> Alan Tyalor
> 95 PC 800 "Midnight"
> Long Beach, CA
>
> how's that?
>
> >
> >
> > alan
>



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From: ChuckQdini <ChuckQdini@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:28:56 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Proud new owner in North Carolina

Hello the list!             

Name: Chuck Chiodini
Location: Fort Bragg/Fayetteville North Carolina
Email: ChuckQdini@aol.com
PC Model year: 1989 (love the pearl white in the sun)
Bought Used/New: Bought used today! (10 Jan 98)
Modifications made to bike: Hondaline backrest, tasteful hand pinstriping ,
One  
                                         month old K177s and battery.
Price: $2,700 ( the guy had a new baby and needed the cash)

	I've been reading the past six months of archives and I'd like to thank all
of you on the list for the following:
1) Helping me decide to buy a PC800 vs. the ST1100 because I'll be using it to
commute and long distance rides. I also felt more comfortable on the PC, as
the ST felt a tad too big for me in both height and weight.
2) Advising me on what to look for while shopping for a used PC.
3) Of all the lists that I've seen, this one is the most informative and (for
the most part) on subject and polite.
4) Thanks again for all of your help and I'm looking forward to participating
with the list members.

It took me only two weeks to find "The Bike". I was concerned because it is an
89. Thanks to this list, I knew to check out the charging system (14-16 volts
depending on rpm) so…I assume the stator is OK for now at least. Also checked
out the trunk liner for the dreaded rubbing problem and didn't find so much as
a scratch on the plastic (because of the K177s?). I did notice a slight
headshake decelerating around 30-35 mph with both hands off the bars, but I'll
remember to try to keep my hands where they need to be while traveling at slow
speeds! Coupled with the excellent price, it was an offer I couldn't refuse.
The bike does need the right side crash bar covers replaced, otherwise, she is
beautiful! 
My immediate plan is to switch to Mobil 1 and install a voltmeter to keep a
weather eye on the stator.
Two questions:
1) Should I consider doing a preemptive stator replacement? I'm thinking "if
it ain't broke…. Besides, I might be one of the lucky ones who might not have
a problem. Well…I can always hope can't I?
2) Where is the best/cheapest place to order the crash bar covers? I'm in no
hurry. My local dealer price is $41.50 per. I don't want to go through this
dealer as I've had problems with him in the past with other bikes.

       I can hardly wait to start wrenching on the bike. I'm very impressed
with the engineering that went into the design.  I've been riding bikes since
I was 13, my first "bike" was a 1956 Peugeot scooter that also had a trunk but
was located over the front tire! Still remember playing hooky from church on
Sunday to go riding before the cops got up. 
       Last comment before I go back into "lurk mode"; if anyone travels to my
area, I'd like to offer up my place as a "safe house" where you could go to
spend the night, wrench on your bike or whatever. I'm in the military and have
two empty rooms in my house located just off base. Fayetteville is located
between the Smokies and the NC beach. Vets, especially SF guys, mi casa es su
casa.
      Thanks again for the great advice! "Listmaster", you need a medal for
keeping all the junk mail off this list!!!

Serving OUR country proudly (and a heartfelt "thank-you" to all you vets out
there)!
Chuck Chiodini
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From: timmacy@juno.com
 by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id WdQ14530; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:56:40 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:23:59 -0800
Subject: PC800: Bad Timing...

In the lexicon of weather forecasting---we're getting clobbered here in
Portland. For the past three days or so, the local stations have been
warning of a possible snow/sleet/ice event in this area, but anyone who's
a Weather Watcher (most motorcyclists...) knows that predicting where the
convergence zone of a warm front and a cold front will be anywhere in the
Pacific Northwest is difficult at best. 

And, of course, the local stations have made hay with it because they
LOVE bad weather. They usually make it into an Event before it even gets
here--anything for ratings. So I've been calling this the Storm of the
Century because two weeks ago the local stations hyped a storm that never
occurred. They had reporters all over the area that had nothing to do on
remotes but talk about what would have happened if the storm had actually
materialized.

Last evening it was raining here on the west side of the West Hills, and
there were reports of snow in towntown Portland on the east side of the
Hills. Nan wanted to go downtown to a bookstore, so we hopped in the car
and took Burnside to get there.

As an historial note: Burnside Street is now the only road within the
confines of the city limits of a major city that is designated a Snow
Zone. Decades of problems with ice and snow that usually resulted in
vehicles littering the road and its ditches finally convinced the
authorities to put the restrictions into effect that usually are only
found in the mountains. If the weather warrants, travelers are required
to put on chains or have studded tires to negotiate the street. Ignoring
the signs results in heavy fines.

Right at the Snow Zone sign (which hadn't yet been activated) we ran into
snow, and another 500' up the road it was deep--and there was a new
Thunderbird in the ditch. So we called for help for the occupants of the
car and turned around. 

We took highway 26 into Portland, and were amazed at the amount of snow
in Portland, because there was none at our house (and we're about 500'
higher than Portland). On one of the side streets we happened upon a
motorcyclist standing beside his brand new Bandit 1200. We stopped to see
if he needed aid, and he indicated that he had help coming. I commented
on how nice looking his bike was, and he replied "Well, it was brand-new,
but now it has a few scrapes on it. I should have followed my own advice
and stuck to my schedule, but I waited too long to leave for home". 

Turns out that he was trying to ride home in the snow and lost it on the
corner. He was fine because he had full gear on, but the whole side of
the bike was scraped up. Probably would have been worse but for the depth
of the snow. 

He was a very forlorn looking man, and we really felt sorry for him,
particularly because he had nothing to blame but himself and he knew it..
So we carefully picked our way home. Currently we are iced in; we had
snow overnight and ice on top of it. Our driveway is an incline meeting
an incline on the street, so there's no way anything's leaving our house
today. We lost one tree in the front yard to the weight of the ice, and
three trees went down in the back yard. So far we haven't lost our power
(thank God!), but the weather prognosticators are calling for another
round of snow/ice tonight or tomorrow morning. 

What, me worry? We have food, I have ways to amuse myself, and the
Packers are (currently) winning 13-3. No offense to my Bay Area friends,
but I lived too many years in Wisconsin.  Go Packers! (Good game so
far--I've had to go back twice within the space of a minute to update the
score before I sent this!)


Tim Macy
Portland, OR
'94 PC - 64,642 Miles Of Smiles

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:39:54 -0500
From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com>
Subject: PC800: Extreme braking
To: HondaPacificCoastOwners <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Cc: HSTA Postings to List <hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu>

I have a hydraulic lift mechanism on the trunk lid of my Pc...raising it
slows me down for the tight corners when I am road racing, as the nitrous=

and blower combined usually raise my top speed to about 75...a keg of
roofing nails in the trunk is usually deployed at the same time, which
tends to slow down my competitors...

I can't pass on much information about speeds below 75, as that is also t=
he
speed at which I leave the starting line...

Dana Sawyer (AKA Cranky Old Fossil)

"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most!"
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From: JTSMCRIDER <JTSMCRIDER@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:40:03 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Extreme braking

Hey, Dana:

In a message dated 98-01-12 07:44:59 EST, you write:

<< "Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most!" >>

Have you looked in your trunk?  It may be under the roofing nails.

The aerodynamic brake sounds great.  Does it raise the whole trunk lid or just
the GIVI box and back seat?  Does Works Performance make the actuator?
Details, Man, details!

JT
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:03:43 -0800
From: "Gregg L. DesElms" <deselms@royal.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Re: Extreme braking

JTSMCRIDER wrote:
> 
> Hey, Dana:
> 
> In a message dated 98-01-12 07:44:59 EST, you write:
> 
> << "Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most!" >>
> 
> Have you looked in your trunk?  It may be under the roofing nails.
> 
> The aerodynamic brake sounds great.  Does it raise the whole trunk lid or just
> the GIVI box and back seat?  Does Works Performance make the actuator?
> Details, Man, details!
> 
> JT

Hmmmm.  Have you ever noticed on this list that at around this time of
year, you can pretty much always tell which ones live in places where
it's too cold to ride?   :-)

Gregg DesElms
deselms@royal.net
'89 PC800
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:01:14 -0500
From: Steve Anderson <stevea@uscsu.sc.edu>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Parts

Where can the best discount parts be found? I have to replace crash bar
covers after bouncing off of a car which pulled out in front of me.
Luckily, he saw me at the last minute, slammed on his brakes, and I
merely bounced off his front bumper with wheels locked at 20 mph
(slowing from 45 mph). Since he was at an angle to me, I was able to
glance off and keep the bike upright. Thank God for the crash bars which
totally protected my legs!

They gave their life for me... and need to be replaced along with other
small plastic pieces. I tried contacting the RobbRacer AOL address to
noavail... Does anyone know where he is... or know of another source for
discount parts?

Mai

stevea@uscsu.sc.edu

Thanks
Steve Anderson
89 PC 800
in SC where the weather almost always allows riding!

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 98 08:17:54 PST
From: "Wanda Bailie" <wanda_bailie@smtpgw.kentrox.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, wingman@teleport.com
Subject: PC800: PC 800

     
Forwarding to the list.  Anyone interested, contact The Wingman as listed below.
Wanda Bailie   '95 PC800 "Black Beauty"

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Subject: PC 800
Author:  Wingman <wingman@teleport.com> at INTERNET-KENTROX
Date:    1/10/98 9:55 AM


Wanda....Just got a 1994 PC 800 (Black Beauty, of course)in the store today. 
Its' on consignment here, plus an annual service. Has the taller HONDALINE 
windshield and backrest.The bike is one-owner with 4885 miles.  Asking $5400 
or best. What do you think? Good enough shape and equipment and price to 
post? Appreciate your input and help. Thanks.......Tim 
Wingman Enterprises
Your Gold Wing Touring Resource Company 
5663-A NE 105th Ave
Portland, OR
(503) 257-4141
Visit Our Web Site at http://www.wingman.com
     

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:56:27 -0800 (PST)
To: wanda_bailie@smtpgw.kentrox.com
From: Wingman <wingman@teleport.com>
Subject: PC 800

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From: "Ramin Keyvan" <ramin@tibco.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:35:06 -0800
        "PC800: Extreme braking" (Jan 12,  7:39am)
To: "Dana L. Sawyer" <Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com>,
        HondaPacificCoastOwners <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Extreme braking
Cc: HSTA Postings to List <hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu>

Dana,

When I first saw the subject line on your post I had visions of you doing a
"stoppie" on the PC, and I thought to myself "the PC's front brakes are good
but they're not **that** good!", which brings me to my question of the day:

Does anyone out there make a braking coversion kit for the PC to go from the
solid disks to full floaters and from two piston calipers to four piston ones?

Just curious.

Ramin

ps. I can already see Erin getting geared up to fire a "You leave my bike
alone!!" volley back my way! ;-) <chuckle, chuckle>

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:13:25 -0900
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
Subject: PC800: Extreme braking
 <199801120740_MC2-2EFE-C732@compuserve.com>

At 09:35 1/12/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Does anyone out there make a braking coversion kit for the PC to go from the
>solid disks to full floaters and from two piston calipers to four piston
ones?

Hello Ramin.  Don't know about full floaters, but I know a guy that will
put in a rear-facing harpoon gun  on one side of the trunk, a 200 lb anchor
and chain on the other, and if you have a Givi trunk, he has some NHRA
surplus braking chutes.  Interested? :-)

Juan

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:21:17 -0600 (CST)
 <7128547.34b3c93e@aol.com>
To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Keith Sproul <ksproul@rci.rutgers.edu>
Subject: PC800: GPS on bikes.
Cc: atg@technologist.com, fsl@borgconsulting.com

I posted a comment about GPS on Goldwings and PCs..  I didn't realzie that
the URL was incorrect because it worked fine from inside my system,..

Here is the corrected URL..


	http://msproul.rutgers.edu/motorcycle/gpsmount.html


>Keith Sproul wrote:
>
>>I have mounted a GPS-III on my Goldwing, and have played with it on the PC,
>>but have not mounted it permanetly like on the GW.
>>
><snip>
>>
>>Check out:	http://msproul.rutgers.edu/motorcycle/gpsmount.html
>>
>>


Keith Sproul	ksproul@rci.rutgers.edu		WU2Z
Student Housing Network Coordinator		732 445-3695 W
Rutgers University Computing Services		732 821-4828 H


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From: "Ramin Keyvan" <ramin@tibco.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:16:50 -0800
        "PC800: Extreme braking" (Jan 12,  9:13am)
To: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Extreme braking

On Jan 12,  9:13am, Juan A. Goula wrote:
> Subject: PC800: Extreme braking
> At 09:35 1/12/98 -0800, you wrote:
>
> Hello Ramin.  Don't know about full floaters, but I know a guy that will
> put in a rear-facing harpoon gun  on one side of the trunk, a 200 lb anchor
> and chain on the other, and if you have a Givi trunk, he has some NHRA
> surplus braking chutes.  Interested? :-)
>
> Juan
>


HEY! COOL!! Does he take credit cards? ;-)

Ramin

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:29:02 -0800 (PST)
From: John La <johnla@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: PC800: Parts
To: Steve Anderson <stevea@uscsu.sc.edu>, pc800@hpc.uh.edu

Steve:

Try-

http://www.cycle-parts.com/

You need to have the Honda part #, but I think they are cheapest.

John L

---Steve Anderson <stevea@uscsu.sc.edu> wrote:
>
> Where can the best discount parts be found? I have to replace crash
bar
> covers after bouncing off of a car which pulled out in front of me.
> Luckily, he saw me at the last minute, slammed on his brakes, and I
> merely bounced off his front bumper with wheels locked at 20 mph
> (slowing from 45 mph). Since he was at an angle to me, I was able to
> glance off and keep the bike upright. Thank God for the crash bars
which
> totally protected my legs!
> 
> They gave their life for me... and need to be replaced along with
other
> small plastic pieces. I tried contacting the RobbRacer AOL address to
> noavail... Does anyone know where he is... or know of another source
for
> discount parts?
> 
> Mai
> 
> stevea@uscsu.sc.edu
> 
> Thanks
> Steve Anderson
> 89 PC 800
> in SC where the weather almost always allows riding!
> 
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:41:59 -0800
From: Alan Taylor <ka2wij@earthlink.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: PC Flu Update

Dear Group,

Midnight is on the way to recovery. As it turns out, the problem was
relatively minor. The dealer that did my 16K service  (Long Beach Motor
Sports) didn't torque the spark plugs so one worked loose and broke it's
electrode, grounding the ignition.

Since I was a little miffed at them for charging me $75 for mounting the
2  tires I bought from them anyway. I took it to Mid-Cities Honda for
this problem.

I liked the way Mid -Cities treated me, the quick turn around on the
work, and the fact that the repair was covered in the $50 diagnostic
charge. So I'm having them do the 24K service, and i'll be taking my
baby home this afternoon.

For the SCPCRC members on the list, that purr you hear on the way to
Palomar is Midnight. (the cats hate riding in the trunk, and i'm not
drilling holes in the plastic for them) ;-)

Alan Taylor
95 PC800 "Midnight"
Long Beach, CA


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From: TedJ101 <TedJ101@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:13:06 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Dunlop Discontinued PC Tires?

I called my friendly tire dealer today and was informed that Dulop has
discontinued the K177s in 120/80/17...  While I bought Metzelers (for a lot
more money), it does raise a little concern that we are getting very close to
a one supplier shop if this information is true.  Has anyone else run into
this?

Regards,
          <<TED>>
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	 Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:30:37 -0800
	 Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:30:37 -0800

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From: "Paul Hayes" <pauly@email.msn.com>
To: "ChuckQdini" <ChuckQdini@aol.com>, <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Proud new owner in North Carolina
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:33:04 -0800

Welcome aboard Chuck!   I envy the extended riding season you enjoy down
there in NC, but I'll get over it in the spring. I wouldn't worry about
replacing the stator at this time.  It's expensive and it could be years, if
at all, before you see that.  (then again, it could be next week).

You can order your PC parts from a nice little store down in CA that has
some of the best prices available: Honda of Milpitas: toll free
1-800-734-2639, have your credit card and part descriptions ready.  Address:
166 S. Main Street, Milpitas, CA 95035; Business Phone:(408) 263-6060;
FAX:(408) 263-2915; Order parts via Internet:
http://www.hypermart.net/scpcrc/

I used to live in NC but now I'm up in the Seattle area.  My brother, Major
Pat, is in the Air Force and currently in Dayton but will be relocating to
your neighborhood in the summer.  He came very close to getting a PC about a
year ago.

Happy trails.

- Paul Hayes
  Shadowfax
Whidbey Island

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From: ChuckQdini <ChuckQdini@aol.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: Sunday, January 11, 1998 7:29 AM
Subject: PC800: Proud new owner in North Carolina


>Hello the list!
>
>Name: Chuck Chiodini
>Location: Fort Bragg/Fayetteville North Carolina
>Email: ChuckQdini@aol.com
>PC Model year: 1989 (love the pearl white in the sun)
>Two questions:
>1) Should I consider doing a preemptive stator replacement? I'm thinking
"if
>it ain't broke…. Besides, I might be one of the lucky ones who might not
have
>a problem. Well…I can always hope can't I?
>2) Where is the best/cheapest place to order the crash bar covers? I'm in
no
>hurry. My local dealer price is $41.50 per. I don't want to go through this
>dealer as I've had problems with him in the past with other bikes.
>
>Chuck Chiodini




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	 Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:00:09 -0800
	 Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:00:09 -0800

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From: "Paul Hayes" <pauly@email.msn.com>
To: "Paul Hayes" <pauly@email.msn.com>, "ChuckQdini" <ChuckQdini@aol.com>,
        <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Proud new owner in North Carolina
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:02:36 -0800

For parts, the URL for Honda of Milpatas is actually:
http://www.hondamil.com/.

- Paul Hayes
  Shadowfax
Whidbey Island

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From: Paul Hayes <pauly@email.msn.com>
To: ChuckQdini <ChuckQdini@aol.com>; pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Monday, January 12, 1998 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: PC800: Proud new owner in North Carolina


>Welcome aboard Chuck!

>You can order your PC parts from a nice little store down in CA that has
>some of the best prices available: Honda of Milpitas: toll free
>1-800-734-2639, have your credit card and part descriptions ready.
Address:
>166 S. Main Street, Milpitas, CA 95035; Business Phone:(408) 263-6060;
>FAX:(408) 263-2915; Order parts via Internet:
>http://www.hypermart.net/scpcrc/
>
>I used to live in NC but now I'm up in the Seattle area.  My brother, Major
>Pat, is in the Air Force and currently in Dayton but will be relocating to
>your neighborhood in the summer.  He came very close to getting a PC about
a
>year ago.
>
>Happy trails.
>
>- Paul Hayes





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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:12:03 -0900
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
Subject: PC800: Discontinued PC Tires?

At 17:13 1/12/98 EST, <<TED>> wrote:
>I called my friendly tire dealer today and was informed that Dulop has
>discontinued the K177s in 120/80/17...  While I bought Metzelers (for a lot
>more money), it does raise a little concern that we are getting very close to
>a one supplier shop if this information is true.  Has anyone else run into
>this?

I sure hope not!  In any case, I sent a message to Dunlop asking for
confirmation or denial of this.  I'll let you kow when I receive a response.

Juan

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:38:01 -0600
From: Mike Ver Velde <m.vervelde@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: PC800: Bad Timing...
To: timmacy@juno.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu


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From: timmacy@juno.com <timmacy@juno.com>
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Date: Sunday, January 11, 1998 9:58 PM
Subject: PC800: Bad Timing...


>In the lexicon of weather forecasting---we're getting clobbered here in
>Portland. For the past three days or so, the local stations have been
>warning of a possible snow/sleet/ice event in this area, but anyone who's
>a Weather Watcher (most motorcyclists...) knows that predicting where the
>convergence zone of a warm front and a cold front will be anywhere in the
>Pacific Northwest is difficult at best.
 the
>Packers are (currently) winning 13-3. No offense to my Bay Area friends,
>but I lived too many years in Wisconsin.  Go Packers! (Good game so
>far

Out here they are hailing El Nino!  Been raining for the past couple weeks,
so I've been driving to work in the Bay area... Also trying to get this
ongoing cold out of me instead of maybe making it worse riding in wet
weather... Can't wait for it to stop...

Hey- Ain't the Packers darn good?!  Sure was nice to see a team that likes
to have fun win and head back to the Super Bowl!  In sticking to the PC800
connection... Did you hear that Packers Coach- Mike Holmgren had his Harley
trucked in, hoping to get a couple hours of riding in on Saturday to relax?
Too wet, so he didnt go.  The Harley was a gift to him a couple years ago
from some Packer people. Painted with Green Bay on it of course...  Just
thought, hey, maybe he would appreciate a Green and Gold PC800!  Need to get
his wife- Kathy on board. ummm...

Just a thought.

Mike V
Stockton, CA
89PC800

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From: pckwong@hkusua.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: Re: PC800: Parts
To: johnla@yahoo.com (John La)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:31:07 +0800 (HKT)
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

  
> http://www.cycle-parts.com/
> 
> You need to have the Honda part #, but I think they are cheapest.

Not actually, I tried and got a quote from them, it varies, with about
15 Gold Wing and PC parts, only 3 were a little cheaper but the rest
were similiar, and some of the rest were much expensive.  

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From: BernieK469 <BernieK469@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:59:35 EST
To: TedJ101@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re:  PC800: Dunlop Discontinued PC Tires?

I pulled the Dunlop's WWW Page.  The K177 120/80/17 is still listed.  I 
don't think they would post a discontinued tire.  

Bernie 
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:13:38 -0600
From: Steve Wilson <deere@linknet.net>
To: BernieK469 <BernieK469@aol.com>
CC: TedJ101@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Dunlop Discontinued PC Tires?

Honda list the trunk mats for the PC and my dealer can't get them. Dunlop's
web site may be behind as well.

BernieK469 wrote:

> I pulled the Dunlop's WWW Page.  The K177 120/80/17 is still listed.  I
> don't think they would post a discontinued tire.
>
> Bernie
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From: ChuckQdini <ChuckQdini@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:16:26 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: New bike named

Hello the list:
	Like an expectant father in a hospital waiting room, I spent many hours (and
rum and cokes) last night trying to find an appropriate name for my new
"baby". The perfect answer was again supplied by reading the archives on this
excellent list.
               I'm a newbie and don't want to be flamed by the protocol police
so I want to do this the right way. I've searched the archives to make sure no
one else has picked this one. 
	So to announce to all in this "public" forum, my new ride will henceforth be
known affectionately as "Scooter" (and she is beautiful!).  My thoughts:
	1)  I have always called bikes "bikes" or "scooters", so this is a term of
endearment for me. My first bike was indeed a 1956 Peugeot scooter that turned
me on, at an early age, to the joys of motorcycling. So this name is a tribute
to that memory.
	2)  When somebody says "nice scooter", I can now reply with "thank-you", show
them the trunk and tell 'em about the outstanding points on this well
engineered machine before riding away proud and contented.
	3)  I bought a motorcycle not a lifestyle (I already am happy with the one I
have). I feel completely confident in my masculinity as well as my choice of
machine to ride.
	4) Bottom line is that this is MY bike and I'll call it whatever I wish,
thank you very much!

	Please don't flame me, as I mean no harm. This name is no affront to your,
particular, or our, collective, motorcycle. Thanks again to the wealth of
knowledge on this list, helping me out.

Happy Trails to you!
Chuck Chiodini              (serving our nation proudly)
U.S. Army
89 PC800    "Scooter"    (and proud of her!)
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From: "Paul Hayes" <pauly@email.msn.com>
To: "Steve Anderson" <stevea@uscsu.sc.edu>, <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Parts
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:34:36 -0800

Steve,

You can order your PC parts from a nice little store down in CA that has
some of the best prices available. Honda of Milpitas: toll free
1-800-734-2639, have your credit card and part descriptions ready.  Address:
166 S. Main Street, Milpitas, CA 95035; Business Phone:(408) 263-6060;
FAX:(408) 263-2915; Order parts via Internet: http://www.hondamil.com/.

For example, one PC owner was quoted $41.50 for crashbar covers at a local
Honda shop and found the same parts at Honda of Milpitas for $30.59.

- Paul Hayes
Shadowfax '89
Whidbey Island

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From: Steve Anderson <stevea@uscsu.sc.edu>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: Monday, January 12, 1998 6:51 PM
Subject: PC800: Parts


>Where can the best discount parts be found? I have to replace crash bar
>covers after bouncing off of a car which pulled out in front of me.
>Luckily, he saw me at the last minute, slammed on his brakes, and I
>merely bounced off his front bumper with wheels locked at 20 mph
>(slowing from 45 mph). Since he was at an angle to me, I was able to
>glance off and keep the bike upright. Thank God for the crash bars which
>totally protected my legs!
>
>They gave their life for me... and need to be replaced along with other
>small plastic pieces. I tried contacting the RobbRacer AOL address to
>noavail... Does anyone know where he is... or know of another source for
>discount parts?
>
>Mai
>
>stevea@uscsu.sc.edu
>
>Thanks
>Steve Anderson
>89 PC 800
>in SC where the weather almost always allows riding!
>
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:56:21 -0800
From: Alan Taylor <ka2wij@earthlink.net>
To: ChuckQdini <ChuckQdini@aol.com>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, bethsydney@aol.com
Subject: Re: PC800: New bike named



ChuckQdini wrote:

>         So to announce to all in this "public" forum, my new ride will henceforth be
> known affectionately as "Scooter" (and she is beautiful!).

>                 Please don't flame me, as I mean no harm. This name is no affront to
> your,
> particular, or our, collective, motorcycle. Thanks again to the wealth of
> knowledge on this list, helping me out.

Chuck,

i for one, have no problem with the choice. i gave my daughter that nickname when she was
an infant because she refused to let her short arms and legs keep her from getting where
she wanted to go, moving with a rocking/scooting motion.

Now that she's almost 12, that's apparently stuck She has ignored offers of skates or a
bicycle, and travels the neighborhood on a 2 wheel scooter.

Here's my wish that your Scooter refuses to let anything keep it from taking you where
you want to go.

Alan

>
>



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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:13:32 -0500
From: JAN DEROOS <deroos@courier1.sha.cornell.edu>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Re: Parts

Re: Parts

I second the vote for Honda of Milpitas.  Talk to Steve in service.  I've
replaced (too) many of the plastic parts on my 'Moby' and their prices
are consistently 30% less than my local dealer.  They deliver on
promised ship dates, and stand behind their work.

Jan deRoos
1989 PC800 'Moby' 25,000mi.

>>> "Paul Hayes" <pauly@email.msn.com> 01/13/98 11:34am >>>
Steve,

You can order your PC parts from a nice little store down in CA that has
some of the best prices available. Honda of Milpitas: toll free
1-800-734-2639, have your credit card and part descriptions ready.  Address:
166 S. Main Street, Milpitas, CA 95035; Business Phone:(408) 263-6060;
FAX:(408) 263-2915; Order parts via Internet: http://www.hondamil.com/.

For example, one PC owner was quoted $41.50 for crashbar covers at a local
Honda shop and found the same parts at Honda of Milpitas for $30.59.

- Paul Hayes
Shadowfax '89
Whidbey Island

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From: Steve Anderson <stevea@uscsu.sc.edu>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: Monday, January 12, 1998 6:51 PM
Subject: PC800: Parts


>Where can the best discount parts be found? I have to replace crash bar
>covers after bouncing off of a car which pulled out in front of me.
>Luckily, he saw me at the last minute, slammed on his brakes, and I
>merely bounced off his front bumper with wheels locked at 20 mph
>(slowing from 45 mph). Since he was at an angle to me, I was able to
>glance off and keep the bike upright. Thank God for the crash bars which
>totally protected my legs!
>
>They gave their life for me... and need to be replaced along with other
>small plastic pieces. I tried contacting the RobbRacer AOL address to
>noavail... Does anyone know where he is... or know of another source for
>discount parts?
>
>Mai
>
>stevea@uscsu.sc.edu
>
>Thanks
>Steve Anderson
>89 PC 800
>in SC where the weather almost always allows riding!
>
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:32:36 -0500
From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com>
Subject: PC800: A true story
To: HondaPacificCoastOwners <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>,
        HSTA Postings to List <hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu>

Recently I came out of church and prepared to ride home on my PC. As I
donned my riding gear, an elderly lady walked up to the car parked next t=
o
me, glanced at my bike and said, "that sure is a pretty color!" I thanked=

her, then she added..."you know...I'm scared of motorcycles." I
replied..."this is one motorcycle that you have no reason to be scared
of"...as I turned the ignition key and hit the starter. She looked,
listened, then exclaimed, "why...I can hardly hear it running...I like
that!" "So do I" I replied as I eased out of the parking lot and headed
home. Score one for the positive side of motorcycling!

Dana

P.S. I wear a Shoei Knobby helmet...the one with the barbed wire, spark
plugs and the dog on the back. More than once I've observed youngsters in=

the car behind me at a traffic light motion to their mom or dad, point to=

the helmet and laugh!

Score another one for the positive side of motorcycling!
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:00:27 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <pilewis1@concentric.net>
To: ChuckQdini <ChuckQdini@aol.com>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: New bike named

How could anyone ever think of flaming over such a nice name.  I have a 12 year old black
Lab mix "puppy" with the name of Scooter, and there is no intention on denegration
there!!  :)

Enjoy your PC, the best all around bike, er. scooter, that was ever made.

Take care,

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:17:01 -0800
From: "Gregg L. DesElms" <deselms@royal.net>
To: "Dana L. Sawyer" <Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com>
CC: HondaPacificCoastOwners <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>,
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Subject: Re: PC800: A true story

Dana L. Sawyer wrote:
> 
> Recently I came out of church and prepared to ride home on my PC. As I
> donned my riding gear, an elderly lady walked up to the car parked next to
------------------------- SNIP ----------------------------

Nice story -- even nicer 'cause it's true.  But for a minute, as I read
it, I thought you were going to tell us you convinced her to hop on and
go for a spin.  Now *that* would have been impressive.

Gregg DesElms
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From: timmacy@juno.com
 by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id TVK16404; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:34:06 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:30:49 -0800
Subject: Re: PC800: Extreme braking


On Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:39:54 -0500 "Dana L. Sawyer"
<Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com> writes:
>I have a hydraulic lift mechanism on the trunk lid of my Pc...raising it
slows me down >for the tight corners when I am road racing, as the
nitrous and blower combined >usually raise my top speed to about 75...a
keg of roofing nails in the trunk is usually >deployed at the same time,
which tends to slow down my competitors...

And...Dana...what happens to your passenger as the roofing nails are
being "deployed"? I assume he or she is wearing a parachute?   :-}}

Tim
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:35:44 -0900
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
Subject: PC800: A true story

At 18:17 1/13/98 -0800, Gregg wrote:
>Nice story -- even nicer 'cause it's true.  But for a minute, as I read
>it, I thought you were going to tell us you convinced her to hop on and
>go for a spin.  Now *that* would have been impressive.

No, no. Impressive would have been the bruises that Dana would be sporting
if his wife ever found out! ;-)

So Dana, you finally got tired of looking where the new sparkplugs go into
a PC and put them in your helmet?  Does it help you think any better?

Ride safe guys.  My sympathies to those on the east and west coasts,
suffering from another one of the El Ni=F1o tantrums.

Inside every small problem is a big one trying to get government funding.=20
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:42:17 -0900
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
Subject: PC800: Time for lunch?

Hello Tim Macy and other Northern Oregon/Southern Washington PC'ers.
My wife will be attending a training seminar next week in Vancouver, WA.
and I decided to tag along.  I REALLY need to get out of here for a while
and see some green grass (even brown grass will do). Would you have some
time to meet for lunch, dinner or even a cup of coffe?  I'll be available
Jan 23, 24 and half of the 25th.  Let me know.  Thanks!

Juan

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 16:57:33 PST
From: "Wanda Bailie" <wanda_bailie@smtpgw.kentrox.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Time for lunch?

     Jaun,
     I will be available on both Friday 24 and Saturday 25 in the 
     evenings for dinner.
     I work until 5:00 on Friday and Saturday I am going to a huge 
     depression glass show/sale.  As I collect some, it is the biggest 
     for the year here, and I missed the 2nd biggest several months 
     ago, I will be going to that in the morning on Saturday.
     It is a good thing you weren't here this weekend.  It spit lots 
     of white stuff, then clear on top, Saturday and continued through 
     yesterday late afternoon.....driving was pretty bad until about 
     noon today.
     Let me know when would be good for you to meet.
     Wanda Bailie '95PC800 "Black Beauty"


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Subject: PC800: Time for lunch?
Author:  "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu> at INTERNET-KENTROX
Date:    1/13/98 4:42 PM


Hello Tim Macy and other Northern Oregon/Southern Washington PC'ers.
My wife will be attending a training seminar next week in Vancouver, WA. 
and I decided to tag along.  I REALLY need to get out of here for a while 
and see some green grass (even brown grass will do). Would you have some 
time to meet for lunch, dinner or even a cup of coffe?  I'll be available 
Jan 23, 24 and half of the 25th.  Let me know.  Thanks!
     
Juan
     
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To: <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>, "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Time for lunch?
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:07:51 -0800

Juan,

I'm penciling it in.

I hope it's near I-5 since I'm "directionally challenged" :-)

Be a nice ride from Everett...assuming the weather God's smile.


Drew
Skippy the Evil Twin
'94/20.400
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:10:11 -0900
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
Subject: PC800: Time for lunch?

At 16:57 1/13/98 PST, Wanda Bailie wrote:
>     Jaun,
>     I will be available on both Friday 24 and Saturday 25 in the 
>     evenings for dinner.

Saturday dinner sounds perfect.  How about it guys and gals?  Any other
takers?

<snip>
>     It is a good thing you weren't here this weekend.  It spit lots 
>     of white stuff, then clear on top, Saturday and continued through 
>     yesterday late afternoon.....driving was pretty bad until about 
>     noon today.

No kidding.  Snow is the last think I want to see right now. Speaking of
scenery, any recomendations as far as M/C shops in the area worth visiting?

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From: "A.T. Green" <atg@technologist.com>
To: <timmacy@juno.com>, <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Extreme braking
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:26:25 -0800

> And...Dana...what happens to your passenger as the roofing nails are
> being "deployed"? I assume he or she is wearing a parachute?   :-}}

Forget the BMW 1200C!!

The PC800 is the perfect Bond cycle for the next one!!!

And wouldn't Q love to outfit the PC with all sort of neat stuff!

I wonder what he'd have it morph into...
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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@MICROSOFT.com>
To: "'Juan A. Goula'" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: RE: PC800: Time for lunch?
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:50:52 -0800

I can probably make it.  As the details firm up send me an email or call.

P.S.  I’ll bring the PC800 with the “wiper”, just for you.  \”/

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From: timmacy@juno.com
 by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id UcG16404; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:54:04 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:51:08 -0800
Subject: PC800: How Weird!

I'm perusing my mail when I notice that there's two lines which indicate
that I've already read the posts...but the other info is totally blank!
No e-mail address, subject, or date!

Strange.....

Has anyone else had this happen to them?

Tim
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From: timmacy@juno.com
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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:24:18 -0800
Subject: Re: PC800: New bike named


On Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:56:21 -0800 Alan Taylor <ka2wij@earthlink.net>
writes:
(Regarding the nickname Scoot)
>I for one, have no problem with the choice. i gave my daughter that 
nickname when >she was an infant because she refused to let her short
arms and legs keep her 
>from getting where she wanted to go, moving with a rocking/scooting
motion.

That is cute, Alan, and very appropriate for your daughter's actions. We,
too, gave our daughter a nickname when she was that age. However, I don't
think that it's transferable to a motorcycle. Somehow the name Rug Rat
just doesn't quite fit.....

Tim
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:01:35 -0500
From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com>
Subject: PC800: Shoei Knobby Rf-700 Helmet
To: HondaPacificCoastOwners <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Cc: HSTA Postings to List <hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu>

Someone asked if I had a picture of my helmet. This is not a current
model...I believe that they had two different color schemes over the past=

two years. If anyone is interested in locating one, I believe that HSTA
member Eldon Rix might have some in stock at his shop. He can be contacte=
d
at RR 2, Box 2, Pryor OK 74361, tel. 918/825-3326. Sorry, I don't believe=

that he has an e-mail address. If the Pony Express Rider gets through
unscathed, he'll get your mail...and if the telephone wires haven't been
cut, you can probably give him a ring on the phone!

Dana
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From: pckwong@hkusua.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Parts
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:04:38 +0800 (HKT)

Hi!

> I second the vote for Honda of Milpitas.  Talk to Steve in service.  I've
> replaced (too) many of the plastic parts on my 'Moby' and their prices
> are consistently 30% less than my local dealer.  They deliver on
> promised ship dates, and stand behind their work.
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ??????????????

I don't think so!  I won't tell people to stay away from them, as I'm not
attacking this dealer, or anybody their.  But my last order with them is
painful and nothing can be clearer that THEY DON"T STAND BEHIND THEIR
WORK!  That's it.  And BTW, when everything was fine, you just don't
know how good their support is.  They just shipped out your order and
had to do nothing more.

As long as their prices are good, go ahead and take it.  Just watch
closely.  But for me, no thanks.  I'll never order from them again.
Even have to pay little more, I prefer to deal with someone with
better after sales services.

Besides, you listers may check out a "new" dealer in Noblesville of IN,
their URL : http://www.noblehonda.com/   I dealed with their Parts
Manager Beth Lathem since she was working for West Side Honda, prices
are as low as Milpitas, some are even lower.  Also this lady is highly
reputated on the Wing list.  This is especially good for East Coast
listers, that way you don't have to order from West Coast and save some
$$$ on shipping.

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From: timmacy@juno.com
 by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id WrO16404; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:04:06 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:00:42 -0800
Subject: PC800: Juan's Coming!

Hey, NW Gang, sounds like Wanda (and, I assume, Thom), Drew, Bryce, and
Nan and I  can "do" dinner on Saturday, the 24th in Vancouver, WA. I've
already asked Juan to e-mail me the particulars on where they'll be
staying--which will have a bearing on where we can all meet. I will
nominate myself as the coordinator of this shindig so we don't suck up a
lot of bandwidth and make all of the other listers jealous that we're
having Juan the King visit!  (for new listers:  its an old joke from a
thread last year!)

So if others can make it that day, please let me know. I will keep
everybody apprised of what's going on. 

Tim
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:09:58 -0800
From: Gail Anundson <gaila@teleport.com>
To: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Time for lunch?

Ok where?

Bob Anundson

Juan A. Goula wrote:

> At 16:57 1/13/98 PST, Wanda Bailie wrote:
> >     Jaun,
> >     I will be available on both Friday 24 and Saturday 25 in the
> >     evenings for dinner.
>
> Saturday dinner sounds perfect.  How about it guys and gals?  Any
> other
> takers?
>
> <snip>
> >     It is a good thing you weren't here this weekend.  It spit lots
> >     of white stuff, then clear on top, Saturday and continued
> through
> >     yesterday late afternoon.....driving was pretty bad until about
> >     noon today.
>
> No kidding.  Snow is the last think I want to see right now. Speaking
> of
> scenery, any recomendations as far as M/C shops in the area worth
> visiting?
>
> Inside every small problem is a big one trying to get government
> funding.
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:07:58 -0600 (CST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Dave Lott <dlwinger@ix9.ix.netcom.com>
Subject: PC800: Cold Butt Ride - Trip Report

A cadre (its the word of the day on my 1998 calendar) of riders assembled at
the Shoney's at GA 400 and GA 20 Sunday morning to participate in the Cold
Butt or Mother I Lost My Mind Ride.  Taking advantage of El Nino, the
tropical rains that had plagued the Southeast for the last week finally
started to move up to the Northeast and the cooler temperatures began
reappearing.  I left the house about 8:30 amid partly cloudy skies and
temperatures in the mid 40s.  Arrived up in Buford a little after 9, topped
off the tank and rode over to Shoneys.  About 20 bikes there ranging from
Goldwings to Blackhawk to SuperHawks.

Many of the folks were helping themselves to the Shoney's breakfast buffet,
but my Spartan cold weather suit was snug enough so I limited my intake to a
cup of tea.  As we started to make our way back out to the bikes, the GA
HSTA Director Glenn Hodges informed me that we were going to be film stars.
A film crew (OK two folks, after all we were recreating Amistad here) was
going to feature the ride for a segment on the Speedvision cable channel.
The producer/director was no other than Leroy Powell, a very friendly fellow
that used to appear on a local television station doing southern humor
segments.  Leroy is now a co-host of the GA Outdoors weekly show on the PBS
station and is an independent producer.  Sorry for the digression, but I
wanted to make sure everyone clearly understand we were working with the
next Steven Spielberg.

Lo and behold, a 90 PC pulls up piloted by fellow PC list member Gordon
Frank.  I remember when Gordon joined the list a year or so ago and we had
traded some e-mails, but this was the first time we met.  We exchanged
greeting and Gordon gave me a quick tour of his PC modifications including
Weiber heating, auxillary trunk light (interior and exterior) and Rifle
windshield.  (What did I miss Gordon?)

We headed out with instructions to pass as close to the photographer, (her
name was Helen and I will use her name in the future since it represents
less keystrokes than photographer), who was doing one of those lay down on
the ground point the camera up kind of shot.  Helen survived the parade
flyby and we all formed up waiting to turn left on GA 20.  After waiting and
waiting and m/c moving up so that at least 8 scooters (here's to you Chuck!)
of all type were all over the sensor grid, the light never would change.
Safety conscious as ever, Glenn had us all make a right turn and the hang a
U at the next intersection.  Whew!

We ran up GA 400 with speed generally in check with radar detectors going
off twice as county police sat on the shoulders looking for those rich
Atlanta folks headed north.  Fortunately, none of our crowd got nabbed.  An
uneventful ride up to Helen where Leroy & Helen met back with us.  From
Helen up to GA 197, Helen rode on the back of a Super Hawk and they started
at the back of the pack and rode by filming each of us as they went by.
Pretty neat, but it gets better.  When we got to 197, Helen turned around
and was riding backwards on the SuperHawk filming us as we rode by.  Hats
off to her as I know that had to be super scary running down those twisty
roads not being able to see when a turn or twist was coming and
concentrating on the camera.  I think we all breathed a sigh of relief when
we arrived up at Lake Burton and she dismounted.

We had been holding our speeds down to reasonable levels for the filming,
but as we turned on Hwy 76, the throttles started to open as we headed to
Clayton and the Dillard House.  We arrived at the Dillard House about 12:45
and were met by Mike and Dianne Traynor from Ride for Kids and some of their
group.  Mike was the one that had given Leroy the idea for the film segment.
We piled into the Dillard House, took off our cold weather clothing and
settled down for a fantastic country style meal.  The food kept coming and
coming.  Leroy gave Mike a lesson on distinguishing chicken fried steak from
country fried steak.  We sat around and swapped stories for a little bit
hoping the time would allow the food to digest and we could fit back in our
gear.  Fortunately, it had warmed up to the low 50s, but the clouds started
moving in and turning darker.

While the rest of the group headed over to Suches and some more filming, I
led Gordon and two other riders on some remote backroads around Lake Rabun
and Seed, through Batesville and back to Helen.  The ride was slow as the
Lake Rabun road has lots of switchbacks and hairpin turns with patches of
some gravel causing us to tread lightly.  As we were approaching Helen, some
light ice/rain showers started but they were so sporadic we would have
gotten wetter stopping and putting on a rain suit.  We traveled back to GA
400 and then headed our separate ways.  Arrived back home a little after 5.

A great way to start the year:  A fun ride, some new friends!

Glenn is to let us know when the segment will air.  From what I understand
Speedvision is a nationally distributed cable show so I will pass the word.

Ride as if your life depended on it!
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:07:44 -0600
From: Mike Ver Velde <m.vervelde@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: PC800: New bike named
To: ChuckQdini <ChuckQdini@aol.com>, pc800@hpc.uh.edu


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From: ChuckQdini <ChuckQdini@aol.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 10:20 AM
Subject: PC800: New bike named



> So to announce to all in this "public" forum, my new ride will henceforth
be
>known affectionately as "Scooter" (and she is beautiful!).  My thoughts:
> 1)  I have always called bikes "bikes" or "scooters", so this is a term of
>endearment for me. My first bike was indeed a 1956 Peugeot scooter that
turned
>me on, at an early age, to the joys of motorcycling. So this name is a
tribute
>to that memory.


So Chuck, the PC sure scoots well out there!
Guess now that you brought that up, and I have been calling my PC my PC all
this time without a name.... Figured its time to join the crazies and name
my steed.  (Actually, everyone else without the sense to experience the
thrill of motorcycling is CRAZY).
When I was a kid, I used to go to the YMCA camps every year. One camp up in
Ely Minnesota- I was with the Horseback group for a few years where we are
responsible for one particular horse all month of the session.  My favorite
during my last two years was a beautiful steed- must've been a clydesdale
mix- it was HUGE with strong rear legs.  Beautiful white.  Gotta say my 89
brings that kind of pleasure riding her... Her name, and hencetoforth the
name christened on my "PC" is now
MOOSE.

Not bad.
Mike V

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:19:09 -0800
From: Alan Taylor <ka2wij@earthlink.net>
To: timmacy@juno.com
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Juan's Coming!



timmacy@juno.com wrote:

> Hey, NW Gang, sounds like Wanda (and, I assume, Thom), Drew, Bryce, and
> Nan and I  can "do" dinner on Saturday, the 24th in Vancouver, WA.

Sounds like a PNWPCRC is in the borning.

Alan Taylor
95 PC 800 "Midnight"
Long Beach, CA

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From: "Jeroen van Vuure" <vuure@dds.nl>
To: "PC800 owners club" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Extreme braking
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:07:05 +0100

The PC800 is already used in the movie "Harley Davidson and Marlboro man".
I thought it looked great on the screen. I hope shows up in movie's more
often, it certainly make's the movie's better.

Jeroen van Vuure
Holland

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> Aan: timmacy@juno.com; pc800@hpc.uh.edu
> Onderwerp: Re: PC800: Extreme braking
> Datum: woensdag 14 januari 1998 2:26
> 
> > And...Dana...what happens to your passenger as the roofing nails are
> > being "deployed"? I assume he or she is wearing a parachute?   :-}}
> 
> Forget the BMW 1200C!!
> 
> The PC800 is the perfect Bond cycle for the next one!!!
> 
> And wouldn't Q love to outfit the PC with all sort of neat stuff!
> 
> I wonder what he'd have it morph into...
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:58:17 -0900
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
Subject: PC800: Juan's Coming!

At 19:00 1/13/98 -0800, you wrote:
>...make all of the other listers jealous that we're
>having Juan the King visit!  (for new listers:  its an old joke from a
>thread last year!)

Drat!  I knew it would come back to haunt me!  Please, ladies and
gentlemen, pay no attention to the man behind the black PC...

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From: timmacy@juno.com
 by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id SPI22754; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:07:39 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:04:46 -0800
Subject: Re: PC800: Juan's Coming!

On Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:58:17 -0900 "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
writes:
>At 19:00 1/13/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>...make all of the other listers jealous that we're having Juan the
King visit!  (for new >>listers:  its an old joke from a thread last
year!)
>
>Drat!  I knew it would come back to haunt me!  Please, ladies and
gentlemen, pay no >attention to the man behind the black PC...

Juan's such an unassuming man. That's why he wears his crown so well and
has the adoration of the masses.     :-}}

Ya gotta admit, Juan, that being The King is better than "You The Man!"
from the current beer commercial.....

The Man Behind The Black PC.....
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From: "David Shumaker" <kd7yd@sprynet.com>
To: "PC800 List" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Introduction
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:11:20 -0800

Hello all,

I've been reading the list for a short time and figured it was about time to
summon up some courage and make a proper introduction. My name is David
Shumaker.  I live near Puyallup, Washington. For those not familiar with
Washington's geography, Puyallup is not too far from Seattle or Tacoma.  My
e-mail address is kd7yd@sprynet.com (amateur radio is an other hobby). One
of these days I'll have my home page online. I'm currently without a
motorcycle, but a PC800 is in my near future. After a fair amount of
research, it became apparent that the PC was the perfect bike for my
requirements; commuting, sport touring,etc.. I haven't ridden for quite a
few years, and am really looking forward to being back on a motorcycle
again.

Dave


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David Shumaker
kd7yd@sprynet.com
Puyallup, Washington
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From: "Mike Whited" <MikeTW@worldnet.att.net>
To: "PC800" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Winter ridin'
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 06:45:48 -0500

Well it looks like I get to bundle up and ride to work today. In hindsight
I could have yesterday, 17 deg F and the threat of snow held me back. This
will make the 6th day this month that I've ridden, quite amazing for
central Ohio!

Today is 38-40 deg F, Fog and drizzle..

See ya!

Mike Whited
Columbus

'94PC
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:44:33 -0500
From: "Douglas Ford" <dford@tidalwave.net>
To: PC800 Mailing List <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Ham Radio and PC's

Hi all,

I've noticed that there are quite a bunch of us hams in here.  I've
thought, on several seperate occasions, about rigging something to my
'97 PC.  Maybe one of my (dust collecting) HT's.  Has anyone done this? 
Maybe powering the HT via the 12v battery connection or something?  Oh,
and better yet, since I fear the dreaded possibility of 'breaking'
something on the bike while attempting this, if I have any Ham
neighboors around in my area, I'd be more than happy to exchange a
BigMac, or Whopper (or two) for the hands-on help.  Thanks much.

Doug Ford, KG0MX
Odenton, MD
1997 PC800 2300miles
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:44:05 -0500
From: Jason <Crazyapple@ibm.net>
To: David Shumaker <kd7yd@sprynet.com>
CC: PC800 List <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Introduction

Howdy and welcome to the list!

If you have any specific questions feel free to ask.

Jason
94 PC

David Shumaker wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I've been reading the list for a short time and figured it was about time to
> summon up some courage and make a proper introduction. My name is David
> Shumaker.  I live near Puyallup, Washington. For those not familiar with
> Washington's geography, Puyallup is not too far from Seattle or Tacoma.  My
> e-mail address is kd7yd@sprynet.com (amateur radio is an other hobby). One
> of these days I'll have my home page online. I'm currently without a
> motorcycle, but a PC800 is in my near future. After a fair amount of
> research, it became apparent that the PC was the perfect bike for my
> requirements; commuting, sport touring,etc.. I haven't ridden for quite a
> few years, and am really looking forward to being back on a motorcycle
> again.
>
> Dave
>
> --------------------
> David Shumaker
> kd7yd@sprynet.com
> Puyallup, Washington
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 06:22:37 -0800
From: Alan Taylor <ka2wij@earthlink.net>
To: David Shumaker <kd7yd@sprynet.com>
CC: PC800 List <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Introduction



David Shumaker wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I've been reading the list for a short time and figured it was about time to
> summon up some courage and make a proper introduction. My name is David
> Shumaker.  I live near Puyallup, Washington. For those not familiar with
> Washington's geography, Puyallup is not too far from Seattle or Tacoma.

Welcome David !

I think you'll find yourself in very good company up there.

>  My
> e-mail address is kd7yd@sprynet.com (amateur radio is an other hobby).

DE KA2WIJ (Somehow i guessed)

> After a fair amount of
> research, it became apparent that the PC was the perfect bike for my
> requirements; commuting, sport touring,etc..

there seem to be 2 kinds of PC800 owners. the ones who fall in love at first
sight, and the ones who do the research first.

I was looking for a replacement for my Silver wing when i came across Midnight
and fell in love. I came home, did the research, and then rushed back and got
her. After 9 months and 10,000 miles the love affair continues.

> I haven't ridden for quite a
> few years, and am really looking forward to being back on a motorcycle
> again.

Strongly recommend an MSF course to regain your skills, and pick up some new
ones without jeopardizing your precious plastic.

Welcome again, David.

>
>
> Alan Taylor

95 PC800 "Midnight"Long Beach, CA

>
>
> --------------------
> David Shumaker
> kd7yd@sprynet.com
> Puyallup, Washington
> --------------------
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:07:47 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <pilewis1@concentric.net>
To: David Shumaker <kd7yd@sprynet.com>
CC: PC800 List <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Introduction

>
>
> David Shumaker wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> >. I'm currently without a
> > motorcycle, but a PC800 is in my near future. After a fair amount of
> > research, it became apparent that the PC was the perfect bike for my
> > requirements; commuting, sport touring,etc.. I haven't ridden for quite a
> > few years, and am really looking forward to being back on a motorcycle
> > again.
> >
> > Dave

"Delta Red" and I bid you "Welcome!"

And remember, when looking for the perfect PC year, "Delta Red" says,
Harrummmmmmmmmmm  Rummmmmmmmmmmmmm, I'm so glad to be a '90!!!

Happy Riding,

Phil

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:20:22 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <pilewis1@concentric.net>
To: Douglas Ford <dford@tidalwave.net>
CC: PC800 Mailing List <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Ham Radio and PC's



Douglas Ford wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I've noticed that there are quite a bunch of us hams in here.  I've
> thought, on several seperate occasions, about rigging something to my
> '97 PC.  Maybe one of my (dust collecting) HT's.  Has anyone done this?
> Maybe powering the HT via the 12v battery connection or something?  Oh,
> and better yet, since I fear the dreaded possibility of 'breaking'
> something on the bike while attempting this, if I have any Ham
> neighboors around in my area, I'd be more than happy to exchange a
> BigMac, or Whopper (or two) for the hands-on help.  Thanks much.
>
> Doug Ford, KG0MX
> Odenton, MD
> 1997 PC800 2300miles



We, of the SCPCRC, are very proud of our own Harrison Spain!  If you'll
check out http://www.concentric.net/~Pilewis1/pcphotos/HLEFTPKT.JPG
and
http://www.concentric.net/~Pilewis1/pcphotos/HRCTLTOP.JPG,
you can see his installation.

You can see some of our other members "gizmos" at
http://www.concentric.net/~Pilewis1/pcphotos/PCRPHOT4.HTM, but please be
advised that it take a fairly long time to download that page.  Nothing but
lot's of pictures.

For those of you New to the list, we're proud of the web site our own Johan
as put together and kept up at http://www.hypermart.net/scpcrc/.

Happy and safe riding to all,

Phil

P.S.-It's supposed to be 75 degrees this Saturday.  Sorry, but I couldn't
resist!! :)


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From: pckwong@hkusua.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: Re: PC800: Introduction
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:29:36 +0800 (HKT)

  
> And remember, when looking for the perfect PC year, "Delta Red" says,
> Harrummmmmmmmmmm  Rummmmmmmmmmmmmm, I'm so glad to be a '90!!!
> 
> Happy Riding,

Following are some extracts from the Wing list :

Candy Apple Red Winger said, "If you gonna ride, ride red!"
Pearl White Winger said, "White is a collection of all 3 element colors
    RGB, and black is an absence of all colors."
Then another Black Winger said, "I look into my color inkjet printer,
    black is a collection of all 3 basic colors, while white is just an
    absence for all of them."
A Taxan Winger's .sig : 95 Aspencade, black of course
Another Candy Apple Red Winger price a '90 used Wing at $8K, add $200
for Candy Red, deduct $500 for black.

Enjoy!

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  *               Vice Chairman, Safe Riders (HK) Association             *
  *               GWRRA Hong Kong Chapter (proposed)                      *
  *                                                                       *
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  * PCA420 <-- Hong Kong   '84 GL1200A  2 tone beige <-- the chromed bike * 
  *            Aux Police  '90 PC800    Candy Red    <-- My little Wing   * 
  * 101177 <-- GWRRA           CBX750 Police Edition <-- Muscle!          *     
  *                                                                       *
  *  Commissioner Maxwell, Hong Kong Police, 1959 :                       *
  *  " I have the honour to be, Sir, your obedient servant! "             *
  *                                                                       *
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From: Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:51:01 -0600
Subject: Re: PC800: Ham Radio and PC's


Phil wrote:
>P.S.-It's supposed to be 75 degrees this Saturday.  Sorry, but I couldn't
resist!! :)


Juan can say it for you?
"Yea, it's supposed to be 75 degrees the Saturday, -75F that is!!"


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From: "Fireman Joe" <cableguy@one.net>
To: "PC800 Listservice" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Anxiety Attack.......
Date: 	Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:48:47 -0500



Does anyone else get a bit on the nervous side when one's PC800 is =
laying out in the garage in a massive state of disassembly????

I have 24 of the 36 pcs of plastic of mine at this time.....and I am =
like a nervous father.....=20
 A good friend came over the other day to do my steering head bearing =
conversion and get my forks off for a seal job...
 and while I have the dash off I am gonna replace the speakers with =
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Having most of the plastic off will allow me to clean around the edges a =
little bit too....
I guess while I am at it I will flush the radiator.... I flushed the =
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and why did Honda have to use so many darn different types of =
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For you HONDA folks take a peek at the new cleaner HSTA HOME PAGE in the =
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:25:13 -0900
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
Subject: PC800: Head gear

At 11:13 1/15/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Juan...
>
>Where were tyou able to find an artisan who could make a square crown to
>fit your head?

Dana, the problem is fitting it over the fur ruff of my parka :-)

I guess you didn't like my spark plug joke, huh? ;-)


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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:30:44 -0800
From: frans klaus <Frans.Klaus@net.HCC.nl>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: New bike named (, and introduction of myself)

ChuckQdini wrote:
> 
> Hello the list:
>         Like an expectant father in a hospital waiting room, I spent many hours (and
> rum and cokes) last night trying to find an appropriate name for my new
> "baby". The perfect answer was again supplied by reading the archives on this
> excellent list.
>                I'm a newbie and don't want to be flamed by the protocol police
> so I want to do this the right way. I've searched the archives to make sure no
> one else has picked this one.
>         So to announce to all in this "public" forum, my new ride will henceforth be
> known affectionately as "Scooter" (and she is beautiful!).  My thoughts:
>         1)  I have always called bikes "bikes" or "scooters", so this is a term of
> endearment for me. My first bike was indeed a 1956 Peugeot scooter that turned
> me on, at an early age, to the joys of motorcycling. So this name is a tribute
> to that memory.
>         2)  When somebody says "nice scooter", I can now reply with "thank-you", show
> them the trunk and tell 'em about the outstanding points on this well
> engineered machine before riding away proud and contented.
>         3)  I bought a motorcycle not a lifestyle (I already am happy with the one I
> have). I feel completely confident in my masculinity as well as my choice of
> machine to ride.
>         4) Bottom line is that this is MY bike and I'll call it whatever I wish,
> thank you very much!
> 
>         Please don't flame me, as I mean no harm. This name is no affront to your,
> particular, or our, collective, motorcycle. Thanks again to the wealth of
> knowledge on this list, helping me out.
> 
> Happy Trails to you!
> Chuck Chiodini              (serving our nation proudly)
> U.S. Army
> 89 PC800    "Scooter"    (and proud of her!)
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Hello everyone out there,

Indeed, what difference does a name make (or a colour?). The ride will
be the same, I suppose?
Mine is usually refered to as 'PC', only trouble is that is gets
mistaken with the PC I am using right now. Only thing with the colour
is, that the white one will probably look dirty a bit faster than the
others.

My name is frans klaus (yes, I always write it in lower case), and I
live in The Netherlands (not in Holland, that is just the two western
provinces of the country) in a big city called Zoelmond (appr. 550
inhabitants) some 20 mls south of Utrecht. Last year I made my half
century (sorry, I play cricket as well, but there I am glad to reach
six).

The PC is my fourth bike so far ('72-'73: Honda CB350 twin / 25,000kms;
'73-'78: Suzuki T500 / 50,000kms; '78-'89: Honda CX500 with Polaris
tophalf and lowers, and a three piece luggage set / 100,000kms). I
bought the PC used (the others were all new) on 30 April 1996 with
12,500kms on the clock. It is a 1989 model, first registered in 1991. At
this moment it shows 45,500kms. I use it for commuting to the job (2*60
kms per working day, in all temperatures) and ocasionally to go to a
cricket match. I expect to use it for at least 200,000kms, because that
would fit nice in the range I set up with the other bikes.

I'll be back later, no time any more today.
Greetings
frans
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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@MICROSOFT.com>
To: "'David Shumaker'" <kd7yd@sprynet.com>, PC800 List <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: PC800: Introduction
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:20:54 -0800

Welcome David.  You’ll get a mount soon enough – be patient.

-bryceu

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From:	David Shumaker [mailto:kd7yd@sprynet.com]
Sent:	Wednesday, January 14, 1998 9:11 PM
To:	PC800 List
Subject:	PC800: Introduction

Hello all,

I've been reading the list for a short time and figured it was about time to
summon up some courage and make a proper introduction. My name is David
Shumaker.  I live near Puyallup, Washington. For those not familiar with
Washington's geography, Puyallup is not too far from Seattle or Tacoma.  My
e-mail address is kd7yd@sprynet.com (amateur radio is an other hobby). One
of these days I'll have my home page online. I'm currently without a
motorcycle, but a PC800 is in my near future. After a fair amount of
research, it became apparent that the PC was the perfect bike for my
requirements; commuting, sport touring,etc.. I haven't ridden for quite a
few years, and am really looking forward to being back on a motorcycle
again.

Dave


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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:38:03 -0500
From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com>
Subject: PC800: A true story...honest!
To: HondaPacificCoastOwners <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>

Last Saturday some of our members took a short ride to Winnsboro to visit=

an abandoned granite quarry. While we were looking around, we came upon a=
n
old bearded codger (ala Gabby Hayes) who was busily engaged in chipping
away at a large piece of granite. We watched him for a few minutes, then =
I
had an idea! I asked him if he could make a likeness of my bike for use a=
s
a paper weight. He took a long look at it, then picked up a small
rectangular piece of granite, knocked off the edges and handed it to me.
Upon seeing a perplexed look upon my face, he quipped. "That's the closes=
t
I can come to making a soap dish out of granite!"

A true story...would I lie to you?

Dana (Cranky Old Fossil)
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From: Jim Randall <jrandall@tricon.net>
To: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: PC800: Ham Radio and PC's
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:37:05 -0500

Doug, I didn't mount a amatuer band radio but have mounted a CB (Cobra =
hand-held) on my PC. The radio itself is velcro'd to the left speaker =
"cutout". Antenna is a rubber-ducky. The unit is powered by the bike's =
electricals and I have a condenser mic and small speaker in my helmet. =
The PTT button is mounted in the plastic next to my clutch master =
cylinder.

Jim Randall
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From:	Douglas Ford [SMTP:dford@tidalwave.net]
Sent:	Thursday, January 15, 1998 7:45 AM
To:	PC800 Mailing List
Subject:	PC800: Ham Radio and PC's

Hi all,

I've noticed that there are quite a bunch of us hams in here.  I've
thought, on several seperate occasions, about rigging something to my
'97 PC.  Maybe one of my (dust collecting) HT's.  Has anyone done this?=20
Maybe powering the HT via the 12v battery connection or something?  Oh,
and better yet, since I fear the dreaded possibility of 'breaking'
something on the bike while attempting this, if I have any Ham
neighboors around in my area, I'd be more than happy to exchange a
BigMac, or Whopper (or two) for the hands-on help.  Thanks much.

Doug Ford, KG0MX
Odenton, MD
1997 PC800 2300miles
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From: Jim Randall <jrandall@tricon.net>
To: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: helmet speakers
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:08:25 -0500

I was just perusing the AMA site; there's a listing there of motorcycle-specific 
laws by state. Although there are a number of states which restrict helmet 
speakers to only one ear or limit use to communications purposes only, in 
Massachusetts and Rhode Island it is illegal to "use or possess" helmet 
speakers. I guess I'll never get to ride in those two states!

Jim Randall
jrandall@tricon.net

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:40:57 -0800
To: "Fireman Joe" <cableguy@one.net>
From: Greg Chambers <greg501@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: PC800: Anxiety Attack.......
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

At 10:48 PM 1/14/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Does anyone else get a bit on the nervous side when one's PC800 is laying
out in the garage in a massive state of disassembly????
>
>I have 24 of the 36 pcs of plastic of mine at this time.....and I am like a
nervous father..... 
>
The question is, how many screws will you have left over.  My son just
bought me one of those plastic compartmentalized screw cabinets for next
time I take the plastic off.  I can label the compartments and get the
screws all back on in the right place.  Some of us just need a little more help!

Greg Chambers

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From: "Vincent Santamaria" <vsantamaria@worldnet.att.net>
To: "HondaPacificCoastOwners" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: A true story...honest!
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:52:39 -0500

Dana, That a new one on me. Do you swear that this is a true story.
I see where you got credit in Rider magazine for inventing the bib top for
Aerostitch. Didn't you just sell your stitch?
Vince in Fort Myers,FL


I can come to making a soap dish out of granite!"

A true story...would I lie to you?


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From: "Vincent Santamaria" <vsantamaria@worldnet.att.net>
To: "PC800 Listservice" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Anxiety Attack.......
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:56:32 -0500

Fireman Joe,
Yes, all that plastic scares me. On my first PC (1990 new in 1992), I was
afraid to touch it. On my current beautiful red 1990, I'll tear the hell
out of it.
Vince in Fort Myers,FL
1990 red PC 

Fireman Joe said:
Does anyone else get a bit on the nervous side when one's PC800 is laying
out in the garage in a massive state of disassembly????


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From: "Vincent Santamaria" <vsantamaria@worldnet.att.net>
To: <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: New bike named (, and introduction of myself)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:06:00 -0500

Sorry, Chuck, but you asked for it.
 You spent many hours and many rum and cokes to come up with the name
Scooter. Well excuse me. Just kidding and welcome to the list ( if you are
a new ).

frans, The Red 1990 PCs are faster. Welcome to you also. I'm glad that you
cleared that up about Holland and the Netherlands. I always thought that
they were one and the same.

Vince in Fort Myers,FL

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:18:01 -0500
From: Jason <Crazyapple@ibm.net>
To: Jim Randall <jrandall@tricon.net>
CC: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: helmet speakers

I just moved OUT of MA, but I rode quite a bit when I lived there.  I had friends
from CT drive up and they always had speakers in their helmets and chatterboxes on
the sides.  Never had a problem, but we also were never pulled over.

Since moving to CT I find it amazing the things I put up with in MA because I
assumed it was just like that everywhere.

Jim Randall wrote:

> I was just perusing the AMA site; there's a listing there of motorcycle-specific
> laws by state. Although there are a number of states which restrict helmet
> speakers to only one ear or limit use to communications purposes only, in
> Massachusetts and Rhode Island it is illegal to "use or possess" helmet
> speakers. I guess I'll never get to ride in those two states!
>
> Jim Randall
> jrandall@tricon.net
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:29:12 -0900
To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
Subject: PC800: K&N filter for PC800

At 17:10 1/15/98 -0500, Albert M Lerner wrote:
>Do you know whether there is a K&N filter for the PC800?

Ok, here is the way you get a K&N filter for your PC.  Most PC-list old
timers remember the method described by Ray Nielsen on how to use a cheap
Fram filter instead of handing over your wallet to the Honda parts guy.
That filter was Fram Part # CA-3559. It fits the Dodge 2.2 L engine.  So I
thought, what if there is a K&N equivalent?  I went to my local performance
parts store and asked.
Part number 33-2006. He even had it in stock!  35 bucks.  A tube of RTV
Silicone, another 5.  So for 40 dollars  and a bit of time you can have a
filter that will never need replacing.
The assembly is fairly simple.  Take the old filter, cut out the paper
element, shave the new filter rubbe/foam for a press fit, seal it/glue it
to the carrier with the silicone. Let it stand for about 24 hors, and
presto!  A K&N filter for the Honda PC800.  For detail instructions please
access the archives.  Ray Nielsen did a much better job, with more detail.
Observed Caveats:
-The K&N comes pre oiled, so you have to make sure the surfaces to be
sealed are CLEAN!
-Keep track of which side is up, which side the long pleats go.  I know is
sounds stupid, but...
-I have the parts, but have NOT done this yet. The pleats on the K&N appear
to be longer than the ones on the Fram, which in turn are longer than the
Honda's.  The Fram pleats will easily bend, but the K&N has a stiff wire
mesh.  Be aware that some "customizing" might be necessary for a good fit.
Be careful not to compromise the integrity of the cotton gauze if you do so.
-The K&N flows more air, so re-jetting might be necessary, though I doubt it.

I guess that covers it.  Good luck!

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School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences	'91 Suzuki VX800
University of Alaska Fairbanks		'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:43:27 -0900
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
Subject: PC800: Factory Manuals

As seen on the HSTA List:

>Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:01:49 -0800
>From: "Bob Riner" <bobdog@joshuanet.com>
>To: Honda Sport Touring Association  <hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu>
>Subject: Factory Manuals

>Shelf clearing, have the following Honda factory service manuals in great
>condition to dispose of at $25 each including shipping:
>
>89-90, 94-96 PC800 Pacific Coast
>89-90, 94 PC800 Pacific Coast
>91-95 ST1100, 92-95 ST1100A
>91 ST1 1100
>88 VT600C Shadow VLX
>91-92 CBR600F2
>89 CB400F/CB-1

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:02:10 -0500
From: Jason <crazyapple@ibm.net>
To: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
CC: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: K&N filter for PC800

I just paid $35 for a Honda filter for the PC800.  When the guy told me
the price I took it, since I recall list conversation indicating it was
much more.

I plan on putting it in this or next weekend, so I'll know then if it's
really the right filter.  :)

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:59:54 -0900
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
Subject: PC800: Factory Manual Update

>Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:25:46 -0800
>From: "Bob Riner" <bobdog@joshuanet.com>
>To: Honda Sport Touring Association  <hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu>
>Subject: Factory Manual Update
>
>The Pacific Coast manuals are GONE. Thank you.
>
>

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From: "Ramin Keyvan" <ramin@tibco.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:35:22 -0800
        "Re: PC800: K&N filter for PC800" (Jan 16,  3:02pm)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Co-worker needs PC800 pricing info....
Cc: jbray@tibco.com

Dear all,

I have a co-worker who's name is Jeff Bray and he's considering the possibility
of purchasing a PC800 and would like some pricing info, etc. from some folks
who live with the machine on a daily basis. Please see if you can help him out.

You can contact him directly at the following email address:


			jbray@tibco.com

Thanks in advance for you help,

Ramin


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From: "Mike Whited" <MikeTW@worldnet.att.net>
To: "Jason" <crazyapple@ibm.net>, "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
Cc: <hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu>, <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: K&N filter for PC800
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:23:31 -0500

I paid over $60 from Classic Cycles here in Columbus.

----------
> From: Jason <crazyapple@ibm.net>
> To: Juan A. Goula <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
> Cc: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu; pc800@hpc.uh.edu
> Subject: Re: PC800: K&N filter for PC800
> Date: Friday, January 16, 1998 3:02 PM
> 
> I just paid $35 for a Honda filter for the PC800.  When the guy told me
> the price I took it, since I recall list conversation indicating it was
> much more.
> 
> I plan on putting it in this or next weekend, so I'll know then if it's
> really the right filter.  :)
> 
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From: Craig Carter <ccarter@wans.net>
To: "'PC800 Group (List)'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: A few nice dealers
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:21:17 -0600

Greetings,

	After all the discussion about part numbers and finding out you need them 
when ordering from some sources, I decided to call my local dealer and see 
if they would sell me a microfiche for the PC800.  When I called, he said 
he may have some extra ones because he gets them frequently.  I told him I 
wanted to get a pretty new one just in case the numbers have changed...  He 
told me to come by and he would see what he had.

	When I arrived, he had already set one out-a 1998 version released in late 
'97 that covers all model years including 1998.  When I asked him how much, 
he said "nothing, just order some stuff off of it."  Then he proceeded to 
give me a lesson on how to read it and be sure I got the right numbers 
based on the model year and color codes.

	I was a little amazed at how easy it was to get.  Sometimes it just pays 
to ask!

PS.  It's going to be in the 70's all weekend with low humidity.  Perfect 
for southern Texas riding.  I feel for all you guys up north.

Craig
'95 PC800
San Antonio, TX

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:16:49 -0600
From: jgeistlubtx@door.net (geist, james)
To: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Factory Manual Update

Juan A. Goula wrote:
> 
> >Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:25:46 -0800
> >From: "Bob Riner" <bobdog@joshuanet.com>
> >To: Honda Sport Touring Association  <hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu>
> >Subject: Factory Manual Update
> >
> >The Pacific Coast manuals are GONE. Thank you.
> >
> >My wife picked up a PC manual for my Christmas. It was the last one here in Lubbock. Sorry...
James
Lubbock, Tx.
'90 PC
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From: timmacy@juno.com
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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:58:54 -0800
Subject: Re: PC800: Winter ridin'


On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 06:45:48 -0500 "Mike Whited"
<MikeTW@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>Well it looks like I get to bundle up and ride to work today. In
hindsight I could have >yesterday, 17 deg F and the threat of snow held
me back. This will make the 6th day >this month that I've ridden, quite
amazing for central Ohio!
>
>Today is 38-40 deg F, Fog and drizzle..

Thanks, Mike! I just KNEW there was someone else out there that was as
crazy as I am!   :-}} 40 deg F, fog and drizzle...sounds just like a
typical Northwestern day!

Tim Macy
Portland, OR
'94 PC - 64,642 Miles Of Smiles

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:19:28 -0800
Subject: Re: PC800: A few nice dealers


On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:21:17 -0600 Craig Carter <ccarter@wans.net>
writes:
>It's going to be in the 70's all weekend with low humidity.  Perfect for
southern Texas >riding. I feel for all you guys up north.

Well, Craig, I feel for you too. Right now, in fact, I'm trying to find
your neck with my hands!    :-}}

Actually, the ice/snow is gone here in Portland and its back in the low
50s (with rain, of course). So I'll crank up the Stealth tomorrow for a
little scoot around the area. Lots of sand on the roads, though, from all
of the ice, so it certainly won't be a fast scoot!

I'd rather have your weather, Craig...

Tim Macy
Portland, OR
'94 PC - 64,642 Miles Of Smiles

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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@MICROSOFT.com>
To: "'timmacy@juno.com'" <timmacy@juno.com>, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: RE: PC800: Winter ridin'
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:33:36 -0800

Yep me too.  I rode the PC800 today into Seattle for a morning appt and
later to work – first time on “Pearl” in awhile. 

Seattle’s having the same weather as Portland (no surprise).

-bryceu

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From: myleslewis@juno.com
 by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id BDM01717; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 01:54:15 EST
To: bmwmc@world.std.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Cc: steve.aikens@3lefties.com, llewis@prodigy.net, jimshaw@multiverse.com,
        bigjames@ix.netcom.com, SCorpen471@aol.com, lgfco@erols.com,
        ultspnch@powerup.com.au, BMWDALE@aol.com, dali@netrox.net,
        Paul.Meredith@digital.com, BMW1RS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:31:41 -0700
Subject: PC800: I'm Baaaaaaccccckkkkkkkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hello to all.
	I left Elko, NV in October and went home for a few days and then
left for Kingman, AZ. Well,after 2 months here, I decided to accept a job
at the local hospital here. I'm back working in CT Scan in the X-ray
dep't. Nice people, nice hospital, nice town, beautiful scenery and
weather. Anyway, here I am. SWMBO is still in FLA where she will try and
sell the house and move out here. I'm looking for a place to but as rent
is ridiculously high. No luck yet but I'm still trying. My job changes
over the last year have played hell with my finances/credit so if anyone
wants to buy a house here and rent it to me, I'm open to offers.
	I'm checking out shipping my bike out here. So far, it's looking
like $500-600 to ship it. Still cheaper than me flying home, driving it
here and staying in motels on the way. I still have this dream of getting
a PC someday, but may keep OL'Yeller, as it'll make a great local ride
bike especially with knobby tires for all those neat dirt roads out
here.However the house search is still the priority over the bike search.

	I just bought this new laptop tonight. Quite nice, Compaq 486/75,
24 meg ram, 500 meg HD, 14400 pcmcia modem, active matrix video. I bought
it from a gent in Phoenix who informs me computer parts are real cheap
down there. I hope to go there next weekend and get a faster modem and
maybe a bigger HD. Also need some parts for a friend's computer that I'm
trying to fix.
	If anyone gets out this way, fyi, Kingman is on I40, between
Flagstaff and Vegas. Visitors are welcome. You can reach me at the Super
8 motel @ 520-757-4808 room 322.
	That's all for now. Type to you again soon. I'm not subscribing
to the lists yet,until I get local access. Still having to use long
distance or 800 no. connections.
What's new with all of you?
**************
Myles Lewis of Bradenton, Florida,moving to Kingman, AZ , with no  bike,
no net access, living in a motel, driving a $600 car, but making advances
every day...
1978 R100/7 or RT/RC/R??, OL' Yeller--stuck in Florida without me.
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:44:19 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <pilewis1@concentric.net>
To: myleslewis@juno.com
CC: PC800 Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: I'm Baaaaaaccccckkkkkkkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



myleslewis@juno.com wrote:

> What's new with all of you?

Hi Myles and Welcome back!

Nothing new and exciting in Southern California, except for the SCPCRC
enjoying our 75 degrees (on the positive side of the scale) this Saturday.
Except it looks like we'll be going up to Mount Wilson where it's cold!!!  :(

Take care,

Phil

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:06:08 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <pilewis1@concentric.net>
To: Jim Randall <jrandall@tricon.net>
CC: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: helmet speakers



Jim Randall wrote:

> I was just perusing the AMA site; there's a listing there of motorcycle-specific
> laws by state. Although there are a number of states which restrict helmet
> speakers to only one ear or limit use to communications purposes only, in
> Massachusetts and Rhode Island it is illegal to "use or possess" helmet
> speakers. I guess I'll never get to ride in those two states!
>
> Jim Randall
> jrandall@tricon.net

And I just installed 2 little speakers in my HJC full face before I read this
e-mail!  I guess I'll just have to see if I get stopped by the local authorities!!

BTW, the HJC is made with a little pocket in the fabric, just for adding little
speakers.

Take care,

Phil

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Subject: PC800: Re: A few nice dealers
From: Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: 17 Jan 1998 02:19:18 -0600
Lines: 18

>>>>> "CC" == Craig Carter <ccarter@wans.net> writes:

[Great dealer story snipped]

Yes, but which S.A. dealer was it?  I recall that there were two or three
big dealers there and that one was really horrible.

CC> PS.  It's going to be in the 70's all weekend with low humidity.
CC> Perfect for southern Texas riding.  I feel for all you guys up north.

Us Texas folk just can't comprehend it.  I'm still trying to figure out
what this "cold" thing is, much less coming to grips with their
unbelievable stories of white stuff falling from the sky.  And that ice fog
thing...
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:42:30 -0700
From: Dave Gross <dkgross@halcyon.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Winter ridin'

yeah..I looked at Purl this am before work...then it started raining...

Maybe saturday will provide a long enough break to ride out to I-90 and take a
Royal Star for a test ride :>)



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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:01:21 -0500
From: Hal MacDonald <halmm@idirect.com>
To: timmacy@juno.com
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, st1100@st1100.com
Subject: Re: PC800: Winter ridin'

timmacy@juno.com wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 06:45:48 -0500 "Mike Whited"
> <MikeTW@worldnet.att.net> writes:
> >Well it looks like I get to bundle up and ride to work today. In
> hindsight I could have >yesterday, 17 deg F and the threat of snow held
> me back. This will make the 6th day >this month that I've ridden, quite
> amazing for central Ohio!
> >
> >Today is 38-40 deg F, Fog and drizzle..
> 
> Thanks, Mike! I just KNEW there was someone else out there that was as
> crazy as I am!   :-}} 40 deg F, fog and drizzle...sounds just like a
> typical Northwestern day!
> 
> Tim Macy
> Portland, OR
> '94 PC - 64,642 Miles Of Smiles
On monday the 12th. I went out for about 1/2 hr. It was cold at about 25
F but bright and sunny and clear dry roads with no ice patches (still
very wary at corners etc though)
It does recharge a person's batteries somehow, and relieves (not cures)
the symptoms of PMS (parked MC syndrome).
Have a great day 
Hal MacDonald
Ajax (near Toronto) Canada
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:30:58 -0600
From: Steve Wilson <deere@linknet.net>
To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Used PC800s'


--------------039876C264534E98FFDFE741

I did a search for 1989-1998 Pacific Coast at this site and got about 15
bikes some of which may be of interest to you PC owner wanna beeees.
Cycle Trader Online

--------------039876C264534E98FFDFE741

<HTML>
I did a search for 1989-1998 Pacific Coast at this site and got about 15
bikes some of which may be of interest to you PC owner wanna beeees. <A HREF="http://www.traderonline.com/cycle/search/index.shtml">Cycle
Trader Online</A></HTML>

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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:46:29 -0600
From: Steve Wilson <deere@linknet.net>
To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: wig wag flashers

I hooked up a home made wig wag flasher to my left and right turn
signals this week and then looked back at a 12-15-97 e-mail from this
list that would have been much easier to hook up. The only difference
between the two is that mine has a ground wire running to the switch
instead of a positive. I used two relays and one three prong flasher and
a switch. Mine can be used to convert fog lights or running lights to
wig wags also. I scanned in a hand drawn sketch of both. If any one
wants to see it let me know and I will send it to you.

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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:53:23 -0900
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.uaf.edu>
Subject: PC800: PacNorWest Visit.

This will be my last message before  flying out of here.
I hope to meet as many of my fellow PC riders as possible.
Take care!

Juan

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From: "Jeroen van Vuure" <vuure@dds.nl>
To: "PC800 owners club" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: audio system
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:05:01 +0100

Hi all


Does anyone has the original PC800 audio system installed on his bike?
I like to know where the amplifier of the system is installed. I know where
the buttons of de radio are placed, but don't think that the amplifier is
put in that small box to. And how big is the box of the radio (not the box
with the buttons but the other one)?

Jeroen van Vuure
Holland

vuure@dds.nl
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From: "Vincent Santamaria" <vsantamaria@worldnet.att.net>
To: "PC800 owners club" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: audio system
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:18:11 -0500

Jeroen,
The amplifier and the radio are all in one unit in the Kenwood radio made
for the PC and the Helix. I had one in my PC but took it out and sold it to
a guy with a Helix. The radio is about 2"x4"x6". It mounted is the left
side of the trunk on the forward bulkhead.
Vince in Fort Myers,FL

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> I like to know where the amplifier of the system is installed. I know
where
> the buttons of de radio are placed, but don't think that the amplifier is
> put in that small box to. And how big is the box of the radio (not the
box
> with the buttons but the other one)?

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From: "Spain, Harrison" <spain@edsug.com>
To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Trip Report (1/17/98 Ride to Mt. Wilson, California)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:35:28 -0800

Trip Report on the 1/17/98 Ride to Mt. Wilson, California!

To be honest, I had *no* idea how many bikes were scheduled to show for our
trip up to Mt. Wilson :-).  I arrived at Carrow's restaurant about 9:00AM and 
there were *no* other bikes in the parking lot!  What me worry?

I positioned my bike (in the back) in the middle of plenty of spaces (I was
thinking big but thought for sure we would have plenty of room).  Little did I
know that by 9:15AM, every space would be filled!

PCs started popping up from everywhere!  Phil was first on his red PC800 and
(please forgive me), I can't recall everyone's name but the last to arrive was
Sam which made eleven (yes ELEVEN) PC800s!

We started with three SOs but only Sam's stayed with us for the ride (she did
great I might add!).  It was getting close to 9:30 before I could herd everyone
into the restaurant (all fourteen of us).

IMPORTANT NOTE: If you ever have to plan one of these things, make sure to
leave plenty of time at each stop.  I think the stop times are exponentially
related to the number of riders! ;-)

As usual, everyone had to gape and poke at all the modifications.  There were
plenty of "new" bikes on this ride so all the new gadgets had to be discussed
in detail.  I liked the "liddy" light on one PC and the dual temperature gauge
on another.  Alan showed us his "wings" and Phil showed off his Indiglo clock
by holding it over his head as we rode! (yep, I could even read the time from
my position behind him) :-)

After a leisurely breakfast, we all decided to go over to the Mobile to top up
and then head toward the "mountain".  We broke into two groups, the front group
(group "A") and the back group (group "B"). I was "B2" for the entire trip ;-).

I'm gettin' a bit nervous with this many bikes but everything went real well
("B1 this is A1...") until we hit a massive traffic jam on the 605 only about
15 miles from the restaurant.  Yikes, I mean we were CRAWLING!  My left hand is
still sore from all the clutch work.  We could not split lanes and we could not
get off to the right to merge with traffic (too dangerous) so we just inched
forward until we finally cleared the jam.

Johan did a superb job (as did all the ride leaders and drags).  We were quite
a sight coming up the 605 to the 210 and over to the 2 (Angeles Crest).  We
stopped at the Angeles Crest exit to gas up.

SIDE NOTE: This gas station is very popular with the crotch rocket set and they
were as curious about us as we were of them.  As one blasted off up the
mountain, I recall thinking that if a PC800 sounded like that, it would be
BROKEN! ;-)

Once we were all topped off, we headed up some of the most spectacular scenery
in southern California.  It really is a very nice road with plenty of twisties
(although we were taking it easy) turnouts and sights along the way.

Phil got some great shots of the ride including one where he rode ahead and we
passed by him (taking pictures) as we waved!  The only problem was... THAT WAS
OUR EXIT!  Whoops! :-)

After a quick U-Turn (I wonder what Phil thought as we swooped by and kept on
going!), we were moving down a very narrow twisty road up to the Mt. Wilson
observatory.  This really is a scenic area with huge antenna arrays and a large
parking lot.

The RF interference from the antenna arrays started to get real bad into the
Maxons making it tough to listen to but this was only a problem for a short
time.

We lined up all the PCs in the parking lot and started to take pictures (I'm
really looking forward to seeing some of these; they may be published by the
time I get this sent out) :-).  We were so impressive that the tourists started
to take pictures of us too! :-)

Now I planned to take a walk up to the observatory and stretch our legs a bit
but by that time it was getting to be around 2:30 and folks were getting a bit
hungry (I didn't say CRANKY!) ;-).  If you recall the scene from TWISTER where
the tornado chasing crew is pleading with Helen Hunt's character to take them
to her Aunt's house for a decent meal.  They were chanting "food... Food...
FOOD!".  Well that was the picture on the mountain :-).  I was outvoted and off
we rode in search of, well, FOOD!

Up the road we went to a very popular little restaurant heated by a wood stove
and nestled in the trees (did I mention I was terrible with names?).  Usually
there are plenty of crotch rockets there but this time we only saw a few. 
After some short conversations, we went inside to eat (did I mention everyone
was HUNGRY?) ;-)

A leisurely lunch with fun conversation found us around 4:30PM and deciding if
we should continue to go up the mountain or back down.  Since several of the
group needed to be back by around 6PM (have you been *reading* our trip
reports?) and it was getting a bit chilly (sorry back east but it was around 60
degrees), we decided to head back down the mountain.

I put on my rain gear (a great way to stay warm) and my clear visor (MISTAKE!).
I thought it would be dark by the time we got off the mountain but it turned
out we were riding right *into* the sun.  Johan did a great job keeping us on
the road and we all got down safe and sound.

Once we got gassed up at the bottom, it was getting dark to the point where I
could impress all with the Californeon :-) (I just love that stuff).  We came
out of the station with three destinations (one on the fast track south, one
kinda southwest toward Orange County, and one west).

All in all it was a fine ride with EXCELLENT weather.  Clear and warm and just
perfect.  I could not have asked for better conditions (although I could have
skipped the traffic jam on the 605) :-).

Harrison

P.S. Lessons learned...

1) Future rides will have to plan for longer stops.  "Winging" it is out of the
question for rides of 5 cycles or larger :-).

2) I think we should plan the "exit" point and intermediate stops as carefully
as we plan the "launch" point.  For this ride, everything worked out well but
we had to cut a few corners to get back on time :-).  Knowing ahead of time
where the stops will be and the exit times will help everyone plan ahead.

3) I also think we should stay together throughout the ride as the ride leader
is responsible for the entire group and splitting up makes the job more
difficult.  No complaints here, just a note for the future.

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From: "Fireman Joe" <cableguy@one.net>
To: "PC800 Listservice" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Fw: MC show Javits Ctr NYC
Date: 	Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:48:05 -0500

forwarded message as request... can anyone help rocky??


IF YOU ARE ON THE PC800 NET PLEASE POST THIS TO THE NET.
I have dropped off. IF YOU REPLY FROM PC800 please reply directly to
<rocheux@juno.com>  Thanks and a fond HI from Rocky!

I too want to know about the MC show at Javits Center in NYC next week.
Also is it near Penn Station?  My neighbor has a party of 3 he wants to
drive up there and I just will take the train and am trying to convince
them to do so too.  Everytime I have driven into the city it becomes a
nightmare not only in the city but on I-95 as well in Jersey!

So can you refer me to Javits MC show info in any current motorcycle
magazine???

If not I need to know specifically address, dates and times of show and
cost of admission.  Is there a phone number to call to get info?
Pls reply directly to 
rocheux@juno.com 

& thank you


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From: timmacy@juno.com
 by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id VFK02631; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:41:58 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:33:39 -0800
Subject: PC800: The Great NW Chow-down...

Well, everybody, Juan and Crystal have landed safely in Vancouver, WA,
and the plans are made for the get-together with them.

We're all meeting for dinner at the hotel where they're staying:

Place:     Doubletree Hotel @ the Quay
                100 W. Columbia St.
                Vancouver, WA


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Date:       Saturday, January 24

Time:       7:00PM

Including the Goulas, there are a total of ten people currently on the
list, and I'm now posting this for anyone else from the area of Portland
(or who might be in the area of Portland that weekend) to invite you! Let
me know by Thursday or Friday this week if you do want to join us and
I'll update the reservation.

Tim Macy
Portland, OR
'94 PC - 64,743 Miles Of Smiles

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From: myleslewis@juno.com
 by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id BcP11223; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 01:15:55 EST
To: bmwmc@world.std.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, myleslewis@hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:16:19 -0700
Subject: PC800: jokes

Got this email from one of my fellow FLSunBeemers. Thought I'd share it
with you all. remember, they are only jokes, not flames.....

What is a Yankee?
  The same as a quickie, but a guy can do it alone.
  
  What do Tupperware and a walrus have in  common?
  They  both like a tight seal.
  
  If a light sleeper sleeps with a light on, what does a hard sleeper
  sleep with?
  
  What is the difference  between Olympic swimmers, and Olympic divers?
  Mark Spitz and Greg Swallows.
  
  What does Popeye do to keep his favorite tool  from  rusting?
  Sticks it in Olive Oyl.
  
  What has three teeth and sixty feet?
  The front row at a Willy Nelson concert.
  
  What is the  new O.J. web site address?
  slash slash backslash escape
  
  What did  the lesbian frog say to the other lesbian frog?
  They're right!  We do taste like chicken!
  
  What do a Christmas tree and  priest have in common?
  Their balls are just for decoration.
  
  What did the banana say to the vibrator?
  What are YOU shaking for?  She is going to eat me!
  
  What is the difference between erotic and kinky?
  erotic is using a feather....kinky is using the whole chicken.
  
  What is the difference between ooooooh and aaaaaaah?
  About three inches.
  
  What do you call a lesbian with fat fingers?
  Well hung.
  
  What is the difference between a hormone, and an enzyme?
  You can't hear an enzyme.
  
  What do you call a gay dinosaur?
  Megasorass
  
  How many men does it take to screw in a light bulb?
  One..Men will screw anything
  
  What is the difference between Michael Jackson and a grocery bag?
  One is made of plastic and is dangerous for children to play
with....the
  other is used to carry groceries.
  
  What did the blonde say when asked if she had been picked up by he
  fuzz?
  No...but I have been swung around by the tits.
  
  Why do gay men wear ribbed condoms?
  For traction in the mud.
  
  Why can't Hellen Keller drive?
  Because she's a woman.>>

**************
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no net
access,  living in a motel, driving a $600 car, but hopefully things will
only go up from here.....
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 01:16:38 -0800
From: "Gregg L. DesElms" <deselms@royal.net>
To: myleslewis@juno.com
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Re: Myles's Jokes

myleslewis@juno.com wrote:
> 
> Got this email from one of my fellow FLSunBeemers. Thought I'd share it
> with you all. remember, they are only jokes, not flames.....
> 
> What is a Yankee?
>   The same as a quickie, but
-------------------------- SNIP -----------------------------

Myles,

Since it seems you have trouble telling the difference, the following is
definitely a flame:

I, for one, do not appreciate the PC800 list being used for this
purpose.  And I'm especially not wild about these types of jokes -- in
*any* forum.  In the '90s, there's just no excuse for this kind of
social ignorance.  It just doesn't seem possible that a person (even one
who lives in Bradenton) could be so out of touch.  Tell me, Myles, do
words like "sophomoric," "sexist," "racist," "homophobe" or "misogynist"
have any meaning to you?  (I'm sorry, Myles, did those words have too
many syllables?)

Can you even see the problem?  Please... get a clue.  If not, then at
the very least, could you please find someone else to assault with your
mundane sociopoliical insensitivity and meretricious vulgarity?  

And could we all please try not to clutter the PC800 list bandwith with
this sort of crap... especially *this* sort of crap?!


Gregg L. DesElms
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From: pckwong@hkusua.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: PC800: Rotor cover marker light convertion
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:45:53 +0800 (HKT)

Hi PCers!
 
Just finished the conversion of the rotor cover reflector into lights,
with VERY satisfied results.  Actually there're 2 conversions, one is
converting the stock reflector, and the rest was using a GL1200 fairing
marker light kit.  Since they all use the same reflector, they're
interchangable.  All are within a budget of $15, installation labor
didn't count, time required is approx. 3 hours, including all
disassemble and assemble workings.
 
The stock reflector:

Disassemble front fender
Remove both reflectors
Drill two 15mmx5.5mm holes on back side of reflector
Cut plastic index studs on back side of reflector
Install two 1cp miniature instrument panel bulbs into holes
Use hard plastic cement to fix bulbs and then reinforce with epoxy
  (DON'T USE HOT GLUE)
Connect bulbs in paralell and solder wires to bulbs
Stick double sided adhersive sponge on back side of reflector, fix wires
  in between to prevent short circuit as well as moisture.  Run wires to
  place where index studs located.
Remove backing, run wires thro' index holes of fender, align and install
  reflector.
Connect both side reflectors to ACC power and ground.

DONE!

Marker light kit:

Disassemble front fender
Remove both reflector
By using a hole enlarger, enlarge the mounting hole to 25mm dia (*NOT*
  the index hole).
Mount the chrome light base to place, fix with screws using the index
  holes.
Trim down the base of rubber bulb holder to sit into tight spaces
  between fender and fork, or make your own bulb holder (a piece of
  round shape rubber with a slot in center will do the job).
Remove protective backing on sides of lens and stick onto chrome base
  (the lens are stick-on).  Make sure lens are sit tightly into base or
  you'll lose it within a week.
Run wires thro' brake line and hose and connect to ACC power and ground.

DONE!


These are very good saturday project that takes you 2-3 hours but make
your bike outstanding from a group of PCs right away.  If you want a
custom look, you'll need a fairing marker light kit.  It is brighter,
size a little bit thicker, chromed base.  Just keep an close eye on
the lens. 
Or you can stick with stock reflectors.  Stock ones are not as bright
as light kits, as the chrome base of the kit works as a reflector but
the stock reflector looks cleaner and slimmer.  By using stock
reflectors, you can even save some $$$ but be prepared to spend 2 more
hours to do the drilling, gluing and play with adhersive tapes.

Marker light kits are available from most Gold Wing accessories mail
order house at $10 per set.

Enjoy!!!

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From: JTSMCRIDER <JTSMCRIDER@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:09:24 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Myles's Jokes

Hi, All:

. . . What Gregg said!

JT
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:25:17 -0600
From: David Drake <ddrake@uomhs.edu>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Rife Windshield and PC800 'chiropractic' work

Dear PC 800 afficionados:

I purchased a pearl white PC 800 last summer - a
1989 model - with just 6000 miles on it.  A few of the
pieces of the plastic molding are out of allignment. 
The Honda shop suggested I have some of the panels
screwed on tightly, but I wondered if it just need to be
taken apart and put back together again - had a
couple of falls on sand I'm told before I purchased it. 
Have any of you had problems like this before?  - and
how did you solve it?  I'm not mechanically inclined so
whatever I decide to do will be turfed off to the Dealer
for repair work.

Also,  I've been reading some about the Rifle shield
for this bike.  What difference does it make?  Does it
give better coverage and less wind resistance?  Is it
worth the expenditure for those of you who purchased
it?

Thanks for your time to whoever answers this.

David Drake
Des Moines
ddrake@uomhs.edu
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Date: 20 Jan 1998 09:41:12 -0500
From: "Ted Gerarden" <t.gerarden@dcwm.com>
Subject: RE: PC800: jokes
To: bmwmc@world.std.com, myleslewis@hotmail.com, myleslewis@juno.com,
        pc800@hpc.uh.edu

MUCH too off-color and MUCH too off-subject for my taste.  Evidently the
Florida and Arizona sun is having its cumulative effect.........
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From: myleslewis@juno.com on Tue, Jan 20, 1998 1:26 AM
Subject: PC800: jokes
To: bmwmc@world.std.com; pc800@hpc.uh.edu; myleslewis@hotmail.com

Got this email from one of my fellow FLSunBeemers. Thought I'd share it
with you all. remember, they are only jokes, not flames.....

What is a Yankee?
  The same as a quickie, but a guy can do it alone.
  
  What do Tupperware and a walrus have in  common?
  They  both like a tight seal.
  
  If a light sleeper sleeps with a light on, what does a hard sleeper
  sleep with?
  
  What is the difference  between Olympic swimmers, and Olympic divers?
  Mark Spitz and Greg Swallows.
  
  What does Popeye do to keep his favorite tool  from  rusting?
  Sticks it in Olive Oyl.
  
  What has three teeth and sixty feet?
  The front row at a Willy Nelson concert.
  
  What is the  new O.J. web site address?
  slash slash backslash escape
  
  What did  the lesbian frog say to the other lesbian frog?
  They're right!  We do taste like chicken!
  
  What do a Christmas tree and  priest have in common?
  Their balls are just for decoration.
  
  What did the banana say to the vibrator?
  What are YOU shaking for?  She is going to eat me!
  
  What is the difference between erotic and kinky?
  erotic is using a feather....kinky is using the whole chicken.
  
  What is the difference between ooooooh and aaaaaaah?
  About three inches.
  
  What do you call a lesbian with fat fingers?
  Well hung.
  
  What is the difference between a hormone, and an enzyme?
  You can't hear an enzyme.
  
  What do you call a gay dinosaur?
  Megasorass
  
  How many men does it take to screw in a light bulb?
  One..Men will screw anything
  
  What is the difference between Michael Jackson and a grocery bag?
  One is made of plastic and is dangerous for children to play
with....the
  other is used to carry groceries.
  
  What did the blonde say when asked if she had been picked up by he
  fuzz?
  No...but I have been swung around by the tits.
  
  Why do gay men wear ribbed condoms?
  For traction in the mud.
  
  Why can't Hellen Keller drive?
  Because she's a woman.>>

**************
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no net
access,  living in a motel, driving a $600 car, but hopefully things will
only go up from here.....
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From: myleslewis@juno.com
 by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id BcP11223; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 01:15:55 EST
To: bmwmc@world.std.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, myleslewis@hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:16:19 -0700
Subject: PC800: jokes
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:00:05 -0600
From: Bernie Bradley <bernie@soltec.net>
To: deselms@royal.net
CC: myleslewis@juno.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Myles's Jokes

Don't worry Myles...He's got no sense of humor...sophmoric OR otherwise.

Gee, I tried to figure out what to snip out, but he's so full of
it(sensitivity), I couldn't bear to snip any of it.

LET THE WARS BEGIN!!

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Champaign, IL  
`97 ST "PAN-ACEA"
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Gregg L. DesElms wrote:
> 
> myleslewis@juno.com wrote:
> >
> > Got this email from one of my fellow FLSunBeemers. Thought I'd share it
> > with you all. remember, they are only jokes, not flames.....
> >
> > What is a Yankee?
> >   The same as a quickie, but
> -------------------------- SNIP -----------------------------
> 
> Myles,
> 
> Since it seems you have trouble telling the difference, the following is
> definitely a flame:
> 
> I, for one, do not appreciate the PC800 list being used for this
> purpose.  And I'm especially not wild about these types of jokes -- in
> *any* forum.  In the '90s, there's just no excuse for this kind of
> social ignorance.  It just doesn't seem possible that a person (even one
> who lives in Bradenton) could be so out of touch.  Tell me, Myles, do
> words like "sophomoric," "sexist," "racist," "homophobe" or "misogynist"
> have any meaning to you?  (I'm sorry, Myles, did those words have too
> many syllables?)
> 
> Can you even see the problem?  Please... get a clue.  If not, then at
> the very least, could you please find someone else to assault with your
> mundane sociopoliical insensitivity and meretricious vulgarity?
> 
> And could we all please try not to clutter the PC800 list bandwith with
> this sort of crap... especially *this* sort of crap?!
> 
> Gregg L. DesElms
> deselms@royal.net
> '89 PC800
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:05:28 -0600
From: Bernie Bradley <bernie@soltec.net>
To: Ted Gerarden <t.gerarden@dcwm.com>
CC: bmwmc@world.std.com, myleslewis@hotmail.com, myleslewis@juno.com,
        pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: jokes

But You Repeated it!   :-)  If taste is a problem then maybe anything
even slightly off subject(PC-related) should be avoided.  I haven't
found it a problem here.  And I don't find EVERYTHING humorous or in
good taste, but what the heck!

Ted Gerarden wrote:
> 
> MUCH too off-color and MUCH too off-subject for my taste.  Evidently the
> Florida and Arizona sun is having its cumulative effect.........
> _______________________________________________________________________________
> From: myleslewis@juno.com on Tue, Jan 20, 1998 1:26 AM
> Subject: PC800: jokes
> To: bmwmc@world.std.com; pc800@hpc.uh.edu; myleslewis@hotmail.com
> 
> Got this email from one of my fellow FLSunBeemers. Thought I'd share it
> with you all. remember, they are only jokes, not flames.....
> 

[SNIP!!]

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From: GuntherSki <GuntherSki@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:17:42 EST
To: deselms@royal.net, myleslewis@juno.com
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Myles's Jokes

In a message dated 1/20/98 1:20:41 AM Central Standard Time, deselms@royal.net
writes:

<< meretricious vulgarity?  
  >>

I don't know about the clutter thing. Um, Greg, why did you send this to the
LIST? It seems that you should have sent it to Myles. However, it was well
written AND we got a bonus phrase to use. 

Z
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:31:55 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <pilewis1@concentric.net>
To: "Spain, Harrison" <spain@edsug.com>
CC: "'PC800 Mailing List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Trip Report (1/17/98 Ride to Mt. Wilson, California)

Great report , Harrison, on what was a fun day (except for the traffic jam! :)).

I didn't have time to make up a picture page yet, but for those who can't wait, you
can view the downloaded pictures in their raw state at
http://hhd.csun.edu/pc/mtwilson/.

Enjoying the ride!

Phil

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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:14:12 -0800
From: "Gregg L. DesElms" <deselms@royal.net>
To: GuntherSki <GuntherSki@aol.com>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Re: Myles's Jokes

GuntherSki wrote:
>
> Greg, why did you send this to the
> LIST? It seems that you should have sent it to Myles.
>

It *was* sent to Myles... with a copy to the list.  And there were a
couple of reasons for that...

Firstly, it was a response in kind.  Had Myles sent it to me, my reply
would have been directly to him.  But *he* sent it to the list,
whereupon it was then inflicted upon me.  The original post was sent to
the list so that's where it seemed to me my protest to it belonged. 
Secondly, many people read this list, some who never (or rarely post). 
Some of them might even be people who, because they are female or gay or
a member of some other group summarily attacked by those jokes, might
have been offended by them.  And, everything we post here ends up in an
archive for the world to read long after we've all sold or crashed our
PCs and moved on to... well... whatever y'all think is the next logical
step in motorcycling (that's a personal thing; I won't go there).  I
wanted it to be a matter of record -- for now and for the archives --
that at least one person on this list could not and would not abide that
kind of indecency.  I was hoping I would not be alone in my protest (and
I'm grateful that a few others posted their agreement).  So now it's a
matter of record that at least a few people on this list get it.  And
that was the point.


> deselms@royal.net writes:
> 
>> << meretricious vulgarity? >>
>
> AND we got a bonus phrase to use.
> 

Remember the old syndicated "Word-a-Day by Bach" in the newspaper
(usually near the TV listings and the crossword puzzles)?

Just trying to fill a void.


Gregg DesElms
deselms@royal.net
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:48:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Cimri <cimri@yahoo.com>
Subject: PC800: 89 PC800 for sale, motivated seller, Long Beach CA
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

Hello there Pacific Coast folk!

If you've want another, or have a friend who wants in to the exclusive
PC800 club, I've got a bike for you: will sell to a good home!

I am leaving the area 31st January and soon after leaving the country,
so I have high motivation to get rid of this bike pretty quick.

It's in near perfect condition, white '89; 50,150 miles as of this
writing.
It's got a nice pair of 85w Piaa running lights (std headlight is 55
watts, so these are quite powerful, but you probably know that).
It's got a nice set of air horns added in which trigger off of the
main horn switch.
The engine runs perfectly, and has been carefully maintained.
Clutch has been serviced carefully as well, and is in tip top condition.
I've had it a year or so and have garaged it the entire time.  Don't
know about the previous owner.
It has a new windscreen and new saddle upholstery on the main/front
saddle.
Getting from 40-55 or so MPG depending on how hard I ride.
The stator has been replaced, which I understand is a common need, and
"A Good Thing"
I do have an owner's manual and the trunk still has the original honda
carpet inserts.

Kelly BB says this bike is worth 2500-3500 wholesale/retail, and this
does not take into account the running lights or air horns which are
nice extras.  I'm asking 3,000 even and hoping not to dicker too much!

Come take my baby away and take good care of her.  I am off overseas
and the logistics are too much to permit her coming along at present.

Write to me email at cimri@technologist.com or call Jay Sax at 562 427
7452, Long Beach CA to arrange details or viewing.

Best to you all,  Jay
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:58:09 -0800
From: "Gregg L. DesElms" <deselms@royal.net>
To: David Drake <ddrake@uomhs.edu>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Rife Windshield and PC800 'chiropractic' work

David Drake wrote:
> 
> A few of the
> pieces of the plastic molding are out of allignment.
---------------- SNIP ---------------------
> Have any of you had problems like this before?  - and
> how did you solve it?  
> 

David,

Fit and finish is one of the biggest issues on a PC -- especially the
'89.  Because there's so much plastic, and because, once removed for any
reason, it all has to be put back on the bike in just the right way (and
without breaking off plastic tabs and other attachment and alignment
points), it can sometimes be difficult to make a PC look just right
after the panels have been removed.  But, if done correctly, everything
should align more or less properly.  There's no magic to it.  One only
needs a little patience.

The '89 is particularly problematic because it was the first year for
the PC and Honda hadn't quite gotten all the fit and finish issues
ironed-out yet, hence the more than 60 changes from '89 to '90 -- most
of which were fit and finish and most of which were more or less
invisible.

I don't know how out-of-alignment things are on your bike.  I can't see
it here, so I don't know, for example, if you're talking about something
minor like two panels not being at exactly the same height where they
meet at a seam, or whether you're talking about a 3/4-inch gap between
two panels that are supposed to meet cleanly.  If you're talking about
the former, your bike may be just about the same as the rest of ours. 
But if you're talking about the latter, then something's probably
wrong.  If the bike took some minor spills, perhaps something got
knocked out of alignment and needs to be repaired.  (And what was the
former owner doing on sand, anyway?)  Obviously, if repair is not your
forte, take it to a dealer and get it straightened out.  More than most
other motorcycles, one of the PC's features is its appearance.  You'll
understand that better after the fourth or fifth time you come out of a
store and three guys are standing around your bike going "ooo, ahhhh". 
I'm sure you'll want yours to look as nice as it can.

>
> Also,  I've been reading some about the Rifle shield
> for this bike.  What difference does it make?  Does it
> give better coverage and less wind resistance?  Is it
> worth the expenditure for those of you who purchased
> it?
> 

The Rifle has been discussed over and over and over on this list, so I
won't burden my fellow list members with a long answer here.  Let it
suffice to say that, in my opinion and in the opion of many others on
this list, the Rifle is a superior performer compared with any of the
three possible Honda-manufactured windshields.  If you want to learn all
about the Rifle and why you should get it (and, trust me, you *should*
DEFINITELY get it), point your web browser at this list's archives at:

http://www.hpc.uh.edu/pc800/

Search for any postings containing the word "Rifle" and you'll learn
more than you ever wanted to know about the Rifle -- including opinions
pro and con. Than, when you're done reading the archives, point your
browser at:

http://www.rifle.com

then click on "Windshields," then find "Replacement Windshields for
Imports" and then click on the "Pacific Coast Windshield System" link. 
There you'll find all the info you need to order a Rifle, and you'll
also see an excellent photograph of a tinted Rifle shield (the one that
looks best on the pearl '89 in my opinion) mounted onto a '90 PC.

Good luck and good riding on your new bike.


Gregg DesElms
deselms@royal.net
'89 PC800
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:12:57 -0800
From: "Gregg L. DesElms" <deselms@royal.net>
To: David Drake <ddrake@uomhs.edu>, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Re: Rife Windshield and PC800 'chiropractic' work

David,

One more thing...

As long as you're interrogating the archives, look-up "stator."

I'm sorry to be the one to break the news to you, but since your bike is
an '89, there's a better-than-average probability that at around 20,000
miles your stator is going to go out and will need to be replaced by a
slightly heavier-duty one -- to the tune of around $300.  Don't be angry
with whomever you bought the bike from.  He or she may not have known
about it.  In fact, quite a few dealers don't even know -- in part
because there are a lot of dealers who only work on one or two PCs a
year (or less) and also because Honda doesn't own up to it completely
unless you call them and threaten them and jump up and down and do other
embarrassing gymnastics.  

But it truly *is* a problem with the '89s.  A precious few '89 owners
never have the problem.  And most '90 and newer owners have no problems
with the stator whatsoever (the heavier-duty stator was one of the 62
'89-to-'90 changes in the PC).  But most '89 owners do have problems, so
start saving now becuause you'll almost certainly be dealing with the
problem in roughly 14,000 miles.  But until then, enjoy... the bike's
just about perfect.  


Gregg DesElms
deselms@royal.net
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:32:30 -0800
From: Eric Matthews <ericeric@concentric.net>
To: PC800 Mail List <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: jokes

Hey everyone, lets lighten up a little bit.

Myles felt this was amusing and wanted to share it.  I don't have a problem
with that, but I do think the forum was inappropriate.

The issue of jokes on the list was addressed a few weeks ago, but since Myles
has been on the move, maybe he didn't read the thread. While Myles may have
been insensitive to the lifestyles, gender, etc. of other members of this
group, or the population in general, I'm sure the post wasn't malicious. I
found several of the jokes amusing. So shoot me, I'm a bad person ;-) .

Humor is a very individual thing. I myself almost always have some quip to
add, and sometimes don't realize it was inappropriate or unappreciated until
after the fact. Then I feel like the ass that I was. The point is that it's
in the spirit of humor, not malice.

Anyway, I've gotten a little fatter over the last year, so I'm going to get
off the soap box before I break it and no one else gets a turn.

Eric

PS Am I in trouble for saying 'fatter'? Or should I have used some term like
'Lightness Challenged', or 'Fitness Resistant'?)  :-)

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From: "Ramin Keyvan" <ramin@tibco.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:25:41 -0800
        "PC800: Re: Myles's Jokes" (Jan 20,  1:16am)
To: deselms@royal.net, myleslewis@juno.com
Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Myles's Jokes
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

Ladies and Gents:

While I am of the opinion that "Political Correctness" is the worst form lying
and insensitivity  foisted upon society by those with certain political
agendas, I'm afraid I have to agree with Greg, in that, this was perhaps a less
than optimal place to post that sort of jocularity.

While I'm sure that Myles meant to amuse, it wasn't well thought out. However,
we must consider that while Myles' post was inappropriate, Greg's response was
a bit too  vitriolic for the "crime" committed. A simple "Myles, please don't
post that kind of material here." would have sufficed.

If my proclivities had leaned towards responding to certain things with that
kind of ire, I would have killed certain "Politically Correct and
Sensitive-to-the-Need-of-Others" Americans over the past 20 years when they
referred to my people (I come from Iran) as
"Bed-sheet-wearing-towel-headed-camel-jockeys"! But I've found that if you take
the time to laugh it off and get to know/educate people, everyone is much
better off in the long run.

So, can we calm down and get back to discussing our bikes?

Oh, and Myles: BAD DOG!!! NO BISCUIT!!! :-) :-) Good luck on your trip to
Arizona!


Cheers to all:


Ramin




On Jan 20,  1:16am, Gregg L. DesElms wrote:
> Subject: PC800: Re: Myles's Jokes
> myleslewis@juno.com wrote:
> >
> > Got this email from one of my fellow FLSunBeemers. Thought I'd share it
> > with you all. remember, they are only jokes, not flames.....
> >
> > What is a Yankee?
> >   The same as a quickie, but
<snippage>


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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:39:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Nick Witzell <nick@boreas.whoi.edu>
To: Eric Matthews <ericeric@concentric.net>
cc: PC800 Mail List <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: PC BS (the other pc)


the political bs kind

On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Eric Matthews wrote:

> Hey everyone, lets lighten up a little bit.

Thanks Eric,

Great advice I was just about to unsubscribe (again) until your message. 
Not because of the jokes, but because of the out of whack (proportion to
the alleged crime) FLAME to them. 

I got flamed for suggesting that practicing front wheel lockups was more 
useful that practicing rear wheel lockups.

The PC800 archives is a weak sister excuse for not on occasion stepping
into some s__t. 

Nick

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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:08:02 -0600
From: David Drake <ddrake@uomhs.edu>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Hondaline Radio hookup to helmet

Dear PC 800 owners,

Thanks to those of you who responded to my
previous requests for information about the Rifle
windshield.

I have a problem:  I bought my '89 PC 800 last
summer.  The previous owner installed a Hondaline
Radio, but it doesn't have a connector to the helmet
so I can just use it around town and not on the
highway.  The Honda dealer tells me that Honda no
longer sells the connector between the radio and
helmet.  I wondered if any of you know of any after
market substitutes I could use or if any of you have
solved this problem in some other way.
Thanks for your time on this.

David Drake
owner of a pearl white '89
Des Moines
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:12:48 -0800
From: "Gregg L. DesElms" <deselms@royal.net>
To: Ramin Keyvan <ramin@tibco.com>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Re: Myles's Jokes
		<34C46B76.756@royal.net> <9801201225.ZM15702@persepolis>

Ramin Keyvan wrote:
> 
> While I'm sure that Myles meant to amuse, it wasn't well thought out. However,
> we must consider that while Myles' post was inappropriate, Greg's response was
> a bit too  vitriolic for the "crime" committed. A simple "Myles, please don't
> post that kind of material here" would have sufficed.
> 
> If my proclivities had leaned towards responding to certain things with that
> kind of ire, I would have killed certain "Politically Correct and
> Sensitive-to-the-Need-of-Others" Americans over the past 20 years when they
> referred to my people (I come from Iran) as
> "Bed-sheet-wearing-towel-headed-camel-jockeys"! But I've found that if you take
> the time to laugh it off and get to know/educate people, everyone is much
> better off in the long run.
> 

(PARENTHETICAL ASIDE:  Ramin, are you quite certain that you intended,
above, to refer to those who attempt "political correctness" as the same
sort of folks who have called you racially-motivated names?  To me,
there's something counter-intuitive about that.  Typically, those
attempting "political correctness" are going to go just the opposite
way.  I think it more likely that it's people who like Myles's jokes who
might tend to refer to you as "a camel jokey" or a "towel head."  At any
rate, on to my specific reply to your posting...)

Apparently saying "please don't post that stuff here" isn't enough since
the whole issue of posting jokes on this list was covered thoroughly
here a few weeks ago.  But this isn't about that, anyway.  As I said
then, an occasional joke posted to this list is no big deal.  Neither is
going off-topic occasionally.  It's not that they were jokes (although
on a list like this, that can be irritating, too).  Rather, it was their
subject matter.  This isn't so much a question of kind, but content.  

The larger issue is the question of whether or not we, as a society,
should be tolerant of the joke teller's underlying attitudes...
attitudes which then tend to manifest themselves into larger, more
meaningful and potentially more hurtful and life-altering acts of
bigotry and racism at times when it really *does* matter.  Like, for
example, when a person like you is looking for a job or is seeking a
promotion or is trying to adopt a child, and a person who thinks Myles's
jokes are funny or who sees you only as a smelly, towel-headed camel
jockey happens to be in charge of such important matters as hiring,
promotions or adoptions.  

There are people on this list who don't want to know about this stuff
and who will, no doubt, flame this message.  For some reason, people
tend to resist their impulse toward social conscience -- at least until
*they* become of the victims of bigotry and hate.  Then, suddenly, the
wonder where everyone went.

There is no doubt in my mind that Myles was, as you put it, "attempting
to amuse" and was intending no malice.  I really believe that's true. 
But one can be completely well-intentioned and still be terribly
misguided.  One could even say that about Hitler, distasteful as that
may be.  A person's being well-intentioned is not sufficient reason for
us to ignore the damage that his or her misguided actions can cause. 
Registering our anger at times like that is part of our social
contract.  Misguided people need to be educated, just as you said,
above.  But *this* is educating, too!  And by posting his jokes here, it
was Myles who chose his classroom, not me. 

As for my "ire," as you put it, is it unreasonable for us to expect that
people like Myles should probably have "gotten it" by now... especially
after thirty years of the women's movement, the civil rights movement,
the gay rights movement, through the passage of the Americans with
Disabilities Act, and after manifold other opportunities for
sociopolitical education and awareness?  Geez, where's this guy been? 
Under a rock?  How many more times does he have to be told?  Do you not
become visibly impatient when you have had to repeat yourself again and
again?  In this life, I don't give a damn *who* a person is or how old
they are:  At this point in our history and social development, a little
angry intolerance directed at those who still just *refuse* to "get it"
is completely appropriate.  At moments like this, I like my "ire" just
fine. 


>
> So, can we calm down and get back to discussing our bikes?
>

Good idea.


Gregg DesElms
deselms@royal.net
'89 PC800

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From: "John Louk" <johnnytech@email.msn.com>
To: "pc800" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Mt. Wilson Trip 
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:54:19 -0500

For what it's worth, Harrison Spain and Phil Lewis together made an
interesting and enjoyable contribution with the trip report and pictures,
respectively of the Mt. Wilson ride.

Being winter-challenged with my ride bundled away for a wee bit more of
winter, I appreciated the look and narrative from this ride.

New subject: anybody catch the picture of the Honda 400cc "scooter" or
super-Helix in the trade magazine recently?  It was a light metallic blue
with a huge wheelbase, Helix-like trunk, and a caption talking about the
marriage of the Gold Wing and Helix or some such.  Wow.

Thanks Phil and Harrison!!!!!!!!

John Louk
Carmel,IN




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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:30:31 -0800 (PST)
From: John La <johnla@yahoo.com>
Subject: PC800: antenna 4 sale
To: pclist <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>

I've rigged up a new stereo for my PC which involves using a walkman
or diskman in conjunction with a small car stereo amp.  

The Diskman & Amp fit nicely inside one of those fake leather CD
cases, and can easily sit on my "tank" or hang from my shoulder while
I ride.  I'm still using my indash speakers.  

I've rigged a 6 connector (2 speakers out & 12volts in) molex
connector which plugs connects to its mate on a cable running out of
the gas filler door.  The cable tucks away nicely when not in use. 
The filler door still closes (with the wire in the way) when in use.

Easy to use, quick to plug in and out, and I'm very happy with the
sound.  I'll take pix and post them soon.

Since I'm using a walkman for the radio, I no longer need the antenna
I was using for the Car Radio I had in the trunk.  The antenna is a OE
goldwing antenna that has a custom made bracket for mounting on the
left side of the PC800.  I think I paid $120 for the antenna and I
paid some bozo about $50 to fabricate the bracket.  

I'll take $50 for the antenna with the bracket.  If you live in
Southern California, I'll deliver it free (Ventura to Orange County). 
Otherwise, I figure an additional $15 for shipping in the US since
it's a weird size and I'd have go to Mail Boxes Etc. to mail it.

See the antenna and bracket at the URL's below:

http://hhd.csun.edu/john/pix/pc800b.jpg

http://hhd.csun.edu/john/pix/antenna.jpg

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From: "Michael S. Brown" <ctywrksmikeb@lisco.net>
To: <deselms@royal.net>
Cc: "PC800" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Myles's Jokes
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:45:04 -0600

Greg and the List,

Ditto for both responses.  I read the first couple of lines, deleted and
was contemplating a response when I read your succinct and pointed reply.

> Firstly, it was a response in kind.  
> that at least one person on this list could not and would not abide that
> kind of indecency.  I was hoping I would not be alone in my protest....

Again, thank you for your response.

What is the old phrase, "why can't we just all get along?"

Michael '90 PC800 "ESCAPN"

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From: "Vincent Santamaria" <vsantamaria@worldnet.att.net>
To: <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Hondaline Radio hookup to helmet
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:11:05 -0500

Sierra Electronics in Ohio at http://www.inb.net/sierra or 1 (800) 338-6938
had all the electronics to hook up the Hondaline (Kenwood) radio to  helmet
speakers. I had them adapt my radio to the helmet on my first 1990 PC. Try
them, they know bike radios/CBs/speakers/etc.
Vince in fort Myers,FL

----------
> I have a problem:  I bought my '89 PC 800 last
> summer.  The previous owner installed a Hondaline
> Radio, but it doesn't have a connector to the helmet
> so I can just use it around town and not on the
> highway.  The Honda dealer tells me that Honda no
> longer sells the connector between the radio and
> helmet.  I wondered if any of you know of any after
> market substitutes I could use or if any of you have
> solved this problem in some other way.
> Thanks for your time on this.

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From: Craig Carter <ccarter@wans.net>
To: "'PC800 Group (List)'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: PC800: Trip Report (1/17/98 Ride to Mt. Wilson, California)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:57:59 -0600

Wow, that sounded like a great trip...  Wish I was near you all so I could join
in the fun.  Spent all night tonight scrubbing and polishing the PC800 after
replacing the plugs, oil, and filter.  Get to put all that black and silver plastic
back on tomorrow--if I remember how..  :-) 

Great trip report.
Thanx
Craig
'95 PC800

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Sent:	Monday, January 19, 1998 2:35 PM
To:	'PC800 Mailing List'
Subject:	PC800: Trip Report (1/17/98 Ride to Mt. Wilson, California)

Trip Report on the 1/17/98 Ride to Mt. Wilson, California!


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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:21:14 -0500
From: "Douglas Ford" <dford@tidalwave.net>
To: PC800 Mailing List <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Myles's Jokes
			<34C46B76.756@royal.net> <9801201225.ZM15702@persepolis> <34C559A0.6FDF@royal.net>

Apparently everybody in here is perfect, but no one else is.  (catchy,
huh?).  Anyway, people sometimes make mistakes (yup, sure do), whether
they believed them to be so or not.  Just let it go, for chimney's sake,
and let's talk 'scooters'!!!

Doug Ford
Odenton, MD


Gregg L. DesElms wrote:
> 
> Ramin Keyvan wrote:
> >
> > While I'm sure that Myles meant to amuse, it wasn't well thought out. However,
> > we must consider that while Myles' post was inappropriate, Greg's response was
> > a bit too  vitriolic for the "crime" committed. A simple "Myles, please don't
> > post that kind of material here" would have sufficed.
> >
> > If my proclivities had leaned towards responding to certain things with that
> > kind of ire, I would have killed certain "Politically Correct and
> > Sensitive-to-the-Need-of-Others" Americans over the past 20 years when they
> > referred to my people (I come from Iran) as
> > "Bed-sheet-wearing-towel-headed-camel-jockeys"! But I've found that if you take
> > the time to laugh it off and get to know/educate people, everyone is much
> > better off in the long run.
> >
> 
> (PARENTHETICAL ASIDE:  Ramin, are you quite certain that you intended,
> above, to refer to those who attempt "political correctness" as the same
> sort of folks who have called you racially-motivated names?  To me,
> there's something counter-intuitive about that.  Typically, those
> attempting "political correctness" are going to go just the opposite
> way.  I think it more likely that it's people who like Myles's jokes who
> might tend to refer to you as "a camel jokey" or a "towel head."  At any
> rate, on to my specific reply to your posting...)
> 
> Apparently saying "please don't post that stuff here" isn't enough since
> the whole issue of posting jokes on this list was covered thoroughly
> here a few weeks ago.  But this isn't about that, anyway.  As I said
> then, an occasional joke posted to this list is no big deal.  Neither is
> going off-topic occasionally.  It's not that they were jokes (although
> on a list like this, that can be irritating, too).  Rather, it was their
> subject matter.  This isn't so much a question of kind, but content.
> 
> The larger issue is the question of whether or not we, as a society,
> should be tolerant of the joke teller's underlying attitudes...
> attitudes which then tend to manifest themselves into larger, more
> meaningful and potentially more hurtful and life-altering acts of
> bigotry and racism at times when it really *does* matter.  Like, for
> example, when a person like you is looking for a job or is seeking a
> promotion or is trying to adopt a child, and a person who thinks Myles's
> jokes are funny or who sees you only as a smelly, towel-headed camel
> jockey happens to be in charge of such important matters as hiring,
> promotions or adoptions.
> 
> There are people on this list who don't want to know about this stuff
> and who will, no doubt, flame this message.  For some reason, people
> tend to resist their impulse toward social conscience -- at least until
> *they* become of the victims of bigotry and hate.  Then, suddenly, the
> wonder where everyone went.
> 
> There is no doubt in my mind that Myles was, as you put it, "attempting
> to amuse" and was intending no malice.  I really believe that's true.
> But one can be completely well-intentioned and still be terribly
> misguided.  One could even say that about Hitler, distasteful as that
> may be.  A person's being well-intentioned is not sufficient reason for
> us to ignore the damage that his or her misguided actions can cause.
> Registering our anger at times like that is part of our social
> contract.  Misguided people need to be educated, just as you said,
> above.  But *this* is educating, too!  And by posting his jokes here, it
> was Myles who chose his classroom, not me.
> 
> As for my "ire," as you put it, is it unreasonable for us to expect that
> people like Myles should probably have "gotten it" by now... especially
> after thirty years of the women's movement, the civil rights movement,
> the gay rights movement, through the passage of the Americans with
> Disabilities Act, and after manifold other opportunities for
> sociopolitical education and awareness?  Geez, where's this guy been?
> Under a rock?  How many more times does he have to be told?  Do you not
> become visibly impatient when you have had to repeat yourself again and
> again?  In this life, I don't give a damn *who* a person is or how old
> they are:  At this point in our history and social development, a little
> angry intolerance directed at those who still just *refuse* to "get it"
> is completely appropriate.  At moments like this, I like my "ire" just
> fine.
> 
> >
> > So, can we calm down and get back to discussing our bikes?
> >
> 
> Good idea.
> 
> Gregg DesElms
> deselms@royal.net
> '89 PC800
> 
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From: myleslewis@juno.com
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To: deselms@royal.net
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:44:45 -0700
Subject: PC800: Re: Myles's Jokes

seems I'm not the only one cluttering the list with useless bandwidth.
after all they were only jokes........


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no net access,  living in a motel, driving a $600 car, places to
go-people to annoy.
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From: myleslewis@juno.com
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To: GuntherSki@aol.com
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:14:22 -0700
Subject: PC800: Re: Myles's Jokes

Ok, I give up, what the heck does 'meretricious' mean? I don't have a
dictionary here in the motel, only a Gideon's bible and I can't get it
away from that darn Rocky Racoon.

>**************
>Myles Lewis of Bradenton, Florida,moving to Kingman, AZ , with no  bike,
>no net
>access,  living in a motel, driving a $600 car, but hopefully things
will
>only go up from here.....
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From: myleslewis@juno.com
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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:36:47 -0700
Subject: PC800: jokes or not jokes....

First of all, I would like to apologize if my posting of those jokes
truly offended anyone. That was not my intent. Granted, I do have a
bizarre or warped sense of humor and I'm the first to admit it, but I
just thought intelligent people would realize that they were just jokes.
Maybe bad ones, but just jokes. After all, I did include a disclaimer...

Anyway, I'll stop here and not continue this useless bandwidth. Any
future flames will be ignored as will the authors.
Myles

**************
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no net access,  living in a motel, driving a $600 car, but hopefully
things will
only go up from here....
 "Why can't we all just get along"--R. King
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From: GaryWOTR <GaryWOTR@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:38:00 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Re: Humor & Jokes

Listers & Fellow PC800 riders:

	Some of the dialogue re: Myle's jokes today reminded me of a quote I heard
some time ago: 
  "Tell me what you laugh at and I will know more about you than through any
other way."
	
	Guess we have been able to ascertain that this certainly may be true as borne
out in the comments from various list members today. Really simplistically
boils down to "different strokes for different folks!" [2-stroke, 4-stroke,
etc. :-) ] 
	I agree, however, that any humor shared should probably be cycle-,
PC800-related. Less chance of being offensive I would bet. I have an
appreciation for a broad spectrum of humor that is "out there". But, I am very
careful with whom I might share some of that ?humor? Gotta know your audience
pretty well before laying some of that stuff on them.  Plenty of humor/joke
lists on the WEB from which one can gain myriad, numerous chortles and yucks! 
	Would suggest that if any list member even momentarily contemplates sharing a
piece considered 'humorous', that he/she send it to one other vet list member
first to solicit feedback as to its appropriateness/non-offensive quotient.
This may especially true for newer posters who have yet to get acquainted with
'the culture' of this list.
  Anyone got any PC800-related humor? Now, there would be a great, new stand-
up genre!!
	Let's ride!!

--gary a. wade
--galveston island, texas
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From: timmacy@juno.com
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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:33:26 -0800
Subject: PC800: Re: Humor & Jokes

On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:38:00 EST GaryWOTR <GaryWOTR@aol.com> writes:

>  Anyone got any PC800-related humor? Now, there would be a great, new
stand-up >genre!!

Hey, the StealthMobile just read that line and got really offended! He
says he's getting really tired of the Scooter on Steroids and other jokes
aimed at PCs and he won't stand for a stand-up comic making a mockery of
him!  Don't you guys have any sensitivity about you at all? 

Harrumph!
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From: "Vincent Santamaria" <vsantamaria@worldnet.att.net>
To: <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Humor & Jokes
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:42:23 -0500

I went out to my Red 1990 unnamed PC and asked him if he was offended as
Tim's Black 1994 StealthMobile was and he said that since he was the RED
1990 Superior MODEL he did not feel offended in the least. He said that he
wanted to go for a ride.
Vince in Fort Myers,FL  

----------
> Hey, the StealthMobile just read that line and got really offended! He
> says he's getting really tired of the Scooter on Steroids and other jokes
> aimed at PCs and he won't stand for a stand-up comic making a mockery of
> him!  Don't you guys have any sensitivity about you at all? 

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:13:42 +0800
From: Yu Seung <pohys@singnet.com.sg>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Head Shake

Hi gang, here's a tweak for all you guys with the dreaded head shake. 
send your bike to a wheel balancing shop that does dynamic balancing. 
This is to say,  they attach balancing weights with double sided tape
and near the edges of the rim.  (the stuff that didn't work for me was
static balancing, where they attach weights by crimping onto the center
flange of the wheel.)

Now, whenever you ride, observe the head shake only appears in 5th gear
and at the 40-45mph zone.  easy.  break the resonant frequency by
shifting into fourth whenever you have to cruise at that speed.  NO MORE
WRIGGLIES!

Guaranteed to work on your bike or your money back within the free 30
day trial period......................   ;)

I've also just fitted on new Metzeler ML2's front and rear.  Have one
comment so far - bloody noisy tires when, new can't imagine them when
worn.

Yu Seung from Singapore : '95 Black, Blasting and Stable too

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:40:26 -0800
From: Alan Taylor <ka2wij@earthlink.net>
To: pohys@singnet.com.sg
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Head Shake



Yu Seung wrote:

> Hi gang, here's a tweak for all you guys with the dreaded head shake.
> send your bike to a wheel balancing shop that does dynamic balancing.
> This is to say,  they attach balancing weights with double sided tape
> and near the edges of the rim.  (the stuff that didn't work for me was
> static balancing, where they attach weights by crimping onto the center
> flange of the wheel.)

Small correction,

In Static balancing the wheel is placed on a device with a spirit bubble,
and weights are added till the bubble is centered.

In Dynamic balancing, the wheel is placed on a computerized machine that
rotates the wheel and calculates weight placement. weights are added until
the wheel spins without vibration.

Weights can be added at the rim or the hub in either method, but have more
effect at the rim because of the greater angular velocity (If you lose a
weight from the rim, the effect is also greater).

Dynamic or Spin balancing is much more accurate than static, and is
effective across all speeds. If you still have a problem after that, it
either wasn't done correctly, or thewheel is damaged and can't be brought
within balance.

>
>

Alan Taylor
95 PC 800 "Midnight"
Long Beach, CA

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Subject: PC800: '96 PC 8000 or '98 Concours
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:53:37 -0800

After 12 years of riding and 80,000 commuter miles, I recently totaled
my nearly new '96 PC800.   (That is perhaps a story for another time.)
Essentially the plastic replacement parts cost more that the motorcycle.

Now I am faced with a dilemma.     My insurance company will soon cut me
a check for some (inadequate) amount.    Should I purchase a 1996 Honda
Pacific Coast for $7600 or a 1998 Kawasaki Concours for $7995?  (I'm
going to name the Concours, "Buzz" if I buy it.  ;-) 

Arguments for the Pacific Coast:
I know and love the Honda Pacific Coast.   I put almost 15,000 miles on
mine in the year that I owned it.   It is smooth.   It has a low center
of gravity that makes slow turns ever so easy and stable.    It has all
the power I could ever need.    Blah, blah, blah,...you all know why we
own (owned in my case) a Pacific Coast; everything from the fine
ergonomics to the cavernous trunk reeked of careful well thought out
engineering.  It is perhaps the best commuting motorcycle made.  The
Honda Pacific Coast has a great big break light and easily seen turn
signals.    I may be able to get my brand new Metzler Z2 tires
(whatever, the high mileage ones that replaced the Marathon line)  from
the salvage guy along with my tall windshield.

Arguments for the Concours
A bike that is two (2) model years newer will hold its value better than
a bike that is two years old (but new) when purchased.    (I can't help
thinking about the insurance thing.)   The Concours has a much superior
instrument panel  with double trip meter and clock.   There are two
locking compartments on the fairing.   The luggage can be
removed/replaced.  The Concours has six gears so it won't sound
over-revved at 60-65 miles per hour.   (My previous bike had 5 gears +
overdrive, and I really missed that on the PC800.)   The Concours holds
7.5 gallons of gas (but unfortunately not low and under the seat).  The
Concours has a slightly bigger engine at 997 cubic centimeters.


So what do you think?   Other options include the ST1100 with ABS or a
Beemer with ABS.    (I think I could get to like ABS since I drive all
year 'round in commuter traffic.)   Unfortunately the ST1100 and the
Beemers cost considerably more.

Any and all advice would be appreciated.    I am trying to consider if I
want to pop for ABS, but I am leaning towards not doing so.   Comments
on ABS?    Comments on the Concours?    Anybody have extensive
experience riding one?    While I know the ins and outs of the PC800, I
am not at all familiar with the Concours except what I have read.   (In
'86 I wanted a Concours, but that only lasted until '89 when I switched
to the PC.   In late '96 I bought the bike of my dreams.)  Is there a 98
PC?

Most of my riding is less than 1 hour at a time commuting back and forth
to work.   My max distance is usually 50 miles (each way) and the
minimum is typically around 16 (each way).   


Todd Vierheller
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From: "Vincent Santamaria" <vsantamaria@worldnet.att.net>
To: <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Head Shake
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:56:38 -0500

Yu Sueng,
Thanks for the tip. My tire balancer doesn't have the ability to spin the
tires for balancing like all the car tire places do.

My head shake ( hand off bars at, deaccelerating from 45 MPH ) went away
when I had the steering head bearing adjusted by a Honda shop.
I just tested it again yesterday and still no problem. Is this the head
shake that you speak of? 

I haven't noticed that my ML'2 are that noisy. Maybe I am use to the noise
from my Transalp's dual sport tires. I'll ride the PC today and see if they
are noisy.

Vince in Fort Myers,FL 
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> Hi gang, here's a tweak for all you guys with the dreaded head shake. 
> send your bike to a wheel balancing shop that does dynamic balancing. 

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From: "Vincent Santamaria" <vsantamaria@worldnet.att.net>
To: <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: '96 PC 8000 or '98 Concours
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:06:48 -0500

Todd,
 Sorry to hear about your accident. Can you give us the details so that we
can learn from your crash?
 

I can't advise on the Concours/PC decision from experience but IMHO I would
get the Concours because it is a different ride. I like variety in bikes. (
I own five motorcycles). Both are good bikes. Why not buy a good used one
to avoid the first year depreciation? 

Vince in Fort Myers,FL  

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:22:06 -0500
From: Jason <Crazyapple@ibm.net>
To: pohys@singnet.com.sg
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Head Shake

I have had no other tires on my bike, but I don't hear them at all.  I got
the bike with several hundred miles on the tires.

I'd like to know what you think of the stability.  It'll be time to change
soon and I'm always looking for a good comparative analysis.
You Seeing wrote:

> I've also just fitted on new Metzeler ML2's front and rear.  Have one
> comment so far - bloody noisy tires when, new can't imagine them when
> worn.
>
> Yu Seung from Singapore : '95 Black, Blasting and Stable too



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From: "Jeroen van Vuure" <vuure@dds.nl>
To: "PC800 owners club" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Hondaline Radio hookup to helmet
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:27:25 +0100

Where is the connector placed on the bike if it has one? (I no your bike
doesn't have it David, but maby somebody no's where it must be placed if
you find one).

Jeroen van Vuure
Holland

vuure@dds.nl 

----------
> Van: David Drake <ddrake@uomhs.edu>
> Aan: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
> Onderwerp: PC800: Hondaline Radio hookup to helmet
> Datum: woensdag 21 januari 1998 1:08
> 
> Dear PC 800 owners,
> 
> Thanks to those of you who responded to my
> previous requests for information about the Rifle
> windshield.
> 
> I have a problem:  I bought my '89 PC 800 last
> summer.  The previous owner installed a Hondaline
> Radio, but it doesn't have a connector to the helmet
> so I can just use it around town and not on the
> highway.  The Honda dealer tells me that Honda no
> longer sells the connector between the radio and
> helmet.  I wondered if any of you know of any after
> market substitutes I could use or if any of you have
> solved this problem in some other way.
> Thanks for your time on this.
> 
> David Drake
> owner of a pearl white '89
> Des Moines
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:46:42 -0800
From: "Gregg L. DesElms" <deselms@royal.net>
To: myleslewis@juno.com
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Re: Myles's Jokes

myleslewis@juno.com wrote:
> 
> after all they were only jokes........
> 

See?  I said you wouldn't get it, and you clearly don't.

This time, I would have enjoyed not being right.


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From: <todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com>
To: <myleslewis@juno.com>, <deselms@royal.net>
Cc: <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: PC800: Re: Myles's Jokes (one more clogging the bandwidth)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:56:43 -0800

Gregg:

Don't enjoy it too much.    If you didn't like the jokes, a simple
non-flame mail would have sufficed.   You could always elect not to read
the jokes.    So far I have seem a flame mail, a self-righteous
indignation savior-of-the-list mail, and a smug self congratulatory
gloating mail.   And all of these are  just from you.  

The humor (whether or not I liked it or hated it) would not persuade me
to unsubscribe from this group.   The continued whining and carrying on
actually did persuade me to unsubscribe from this group almost a year
ago.   I re-subscribed about a day or so ago.    Would it be OK if we
tried to focus on Pacific Coast and related issues?   You know, tires,
radios, trunks, light modulators, helmets, etc.    Thanks.

Todd Vierheller
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>----------
>From: 	Gregg L. DesElms[SMTP:deselms@royal.net]
>
>See?  I said you wouldn't get it, and you clearly don't.
>This time, I would have enjoyed not being right.
>
>Gregg DesElms
>deselms@royal.net
>
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From: timmacy@juno.com
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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:11:31 -0800
Subject: PC800: Re: Myles's Jokes


On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:46:42 -0800 "Gregg L. DesElms" <deselms@royal.net>
writes:
>myleslewis@juno.com wrote:
>> 
>> after all they were only jokes........
>> 
>See?  I said you wouldn't get it, and you clearly don't.

To which I say EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK! Thanks. That was a scream of
frustration. Now we are clearly "beyond the pale" (whatever that means)
and are moving into "the final word"...which could go on ad nauseum.
PLEASE go private with any more "final words!".

Thanks,

Tim
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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:05:37 -0800
Subject: Re: PC800: '96 PC 8000 or '98 Concours


On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:06:48 -0500 "Vincent Santamaria"
<vsantamaria@worldnet.att.net> writes:

>I can't advise on the Concours/PC decision from experience but IMHO I
would get the >Concours because it is a different ride. I like variety in
bikes. (I own five motorcycles). >Both are good bikes. Why not buy a good
used one to avoid the first year >depreciation? 

I, too, don't feel that I have the experience to advise on the decision,
but I do agree with Vince on going with a used one. The one rap that I
read about in the various mags is that the Concours hasn't been updated
at all from previous years. However, that would work in your favor, Todd,
because a good used Concours would be essentially identical to a new
one...minus the new bike price tag.

Tim Macy
Portland, OR
'94 PC - 64,758 Miles Of Smiles

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:17:26 -0800
From: "Gregg L. DesElms" <deselms@royal.net>
To: myleslewis@juno.com
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Meretricious

myleslewis@juno.com wrote:
> =

> Ok, I give up, what the heck does 'meretricious' mean? I don't have a
> dictionary here in the motel, only a Gideon's bible and I can't get it
> away from that darn Rocky Racoon.
> =


  meretricious (m=E8r=B4=EE-tr=EEsh=B4es) adjective

  1. a. Attracting attention in a vulgar manner: meretricious =

        ornamentation. (Syn: Gaudy)
     b. Plausible but false or insincere; specious: a meretricious =

        argument.

  2. Of or relating to prostitutes or prostitution: meretricious =

     relationships.

     [Latin meretr=ECcius, of prostitutes, from meretr=ECx, meretr=ECc-, =

      prostitute, from mer=EAre, to earn money.]

     - mer=B4etri=B4ciously (adverb)
     - mer=B4etri=B4ciousness (noun)

  From the American Heritage=AE Dictionary of the English Language, =

  Third Edition copyright =A9 1992 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electroni=
c =

  version licensed from InfoSoft International, Inc. All rights
reserved.


Clearly I used the word pursuant to its first definition (1a), above.


Gregg DesElms
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:27:22 -0800
From: "Gregg L. DesElms" <deselms@royal.net>
To: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Re:  Myles's Jokes (one more clogging the bandwidth)

todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com wrote:
> 
> Would it be OK if we tried to focus on Pacific Coast and related 
> issues?   You know, tires, radios, trunks, light modulators, helmets, 
> etc.    Thanks.
> 

I agree, and I believe I said as much at the end of my posting to Ramin
-- the one I believe you're calling my "self-righteous indignation,
savior-of-the-list mail."

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From: "John J. Scalisi" <jscalisi@snet.net>
To: "PC800 Mail List" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Myles's Jokes
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:33:33 -0500

People, let's get a life already!  Enough with the idle banter on the jokes!
They were only jokes!!  If you can't laugh at yourself, get a life.  I am of
Italian decent and I will be the first to repeat a joke about Italians if
it's a funny joke.  It's only a joke!!.  As long as you can make fun of
yourself, be it your heritage, your shortcomings, or whatever, only then
will you be free and be able to tell and listen to jokes about anything or
anybody.  I signed up for this mail list for info about Pacific Coasts, so
suffice it to say I don't want to read through unrelated mail.  A simple
message to whoever it was that originally posted the jokes that they were
off subject for this mail list would have been sufficient.  Enough of this
condemming him and what not.  Let's get on with Pacific Coast mail because
everybody replying about the jokes (like me right now) are cluttering up
this mail list with garbage we all don't want to hear about!  Enough
already!

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Date: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 12:47 PM
Subject: PC800: Re: Myles's Jokes


>myleslewis@juno.com wrote:
>>
>> after all they were only jokes........
>>
>
>See?  I said you wouldn't get it, and you clearly don't.
>
>This time, I would have enjoyed not being right.
>
>
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From: timmacy@juno.com
 by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id OrY03688; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:28:55 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:26:26 -0800
Subject: PC800: Tires...

Not too long ago there was a brief conversation on the list about Dunlop
possibly dropping the K177. Has anyone heard anything of substance in
that regard?

Tim
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From: "Vincent Santamaria" <vsantamaria@worldnet.att.net>
To: "PACIFIC COAST GROUP" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Where's Rocky?
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:36:42 -0500

Anybody know what happened to Rocky? I miss the guy. 
Vince in Fort Myers,Fl
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From: "Prince, Roger" <RPrince@imps0014.us.dg.com>
To: "'todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com'" <todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com>,
        pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: RE: PC800: '96 PC 8000 or '98 Concours
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:04:35 -0500

The Honda page at:  http://www.hondamotorcycle.com/  shows a PC for
1998.  Looks to be the same as the 1997.  A couple months ago Honda
still had '96s in the warehouse.  Is the $7600 for a new 1996?

Roger

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com
> [SMTP:todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com]
> Now I am faced with a dilemma.     My insurance company will soon cut
> me
> a check for some (inadequate) amount.    Should I purchase a 1996
> Honda
> Pacific Coast for $7600 or a 1998 Kawasaki Concours for $7995?  (I'm
> going to name the Concours, "Buzz" if I buy it.  ;-) 
> 
> In late '96 I bought the bike of my dreams.)  Is there a 98
> PC?
> 
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From: <todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com>
To: <todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com>, <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>,
        <RPrince@imps0014.us.dg.com>
Subject: RE: PC800: '96 PC 8000 or '98 Concours
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:05:23 -0800

Yes.   The $7600 is for a new '96.   (I only paid $7650 for my previous
'96 back in '96).

Todd Vierheller
Seattle, Washington
Y2K Core Team
todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com
(206) 233-6218

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>Sent: 	Wednesday, January 21, 1998 12:04 PM
>To: 	'todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com'; pc800@hpc.uh.edu
>Subject: 	RE: PC800: '96 PC 8000 or '98 Concours
>
>The Honda page at:  http://www.hondamotorcycle.com/  shows a PC for
>1998.  Looks to be the same as the 1997.  A couple months ago Honda
>still had '96s in the warehouse.  Is the $7600 for a new 1996?
>
>Roger
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:	todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com
>> [SMTP:todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com]
>	[Roger writes]  Snipped.
>> Now I am faced with a dilemma.     My insurance company will soon cut
>> me
>> a check for some (inadequate) amount.    Should I purchase a 1996
>> Honda
>> Pacific Coast for $7600 or a 1998 Kawasaki Concours for $7995?  (I'm
>> going to name the Concours, "Buzz" if I buy it.  ;-) 
>> 
>> In late '96 I bought the bike of my dreams.)  Is there a 98
>> PC?
>> 
>
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:05:05 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <pilewis1@concentric.net>
To: PC800 Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Concentric Network

Hi Everybody!

This isn't motorcycle related, but I thought it important
because some of you, or people you know, may use Concentric
Network for your ISP.

I just found out that Concentric does not notify it's
subscribers of subscription pricing changes.  I was on a
6-month pre-pay $17.95 per month plan, credit card required
payment..  I assumed that the plan would automatically renew
every 6 months.  I was wrong.  I was transferred to an
hourly plan and have incurred higher charges for the past
several months.  I was negligent in monitoring my credit
card bills and so didn't notice the problem until
yesterday.  After calling Concentric I've corrected my
billing  problem but I have wasted money by my error.
Concentric did give me some refund, but since I didn't
notice the error, I am partially responsible.

Anyway, I only write this to let you know Concentric's
policy if you are currently a subscriber, or know someone
who is one.  It would be wise to call on the phone (you can
try e-mail), and make sure you are on the billing plan that
you desire.  I was surprised to find out that I was assigned
an hourly plan instead of, at least, the $19.95 per month,
unlimited usage, plan.

Take care and back to motorcycling,

Phil

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:48:28 +0800
From: Yu Seung <pohys@singnet.com.sg>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: brighten up

Hi gang, am going to put in a higher wattage bulb (90/100W) but am
wondering what's the highest wattage that can be safely installed
without melting the reflector.  Has anyone melted the reflector yet?

Seung

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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@MICROSOFT.com>
To: "'pohys@singnet.com.sg'" <pohys@singnet.com.sg>, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: RE: PC800: brighten up
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:22:17 -0800

I’m not aware of anyone confirming a “limit” on what’s safe to use.  I’ve
had an 80/100w for years with no difficulty but then again, I live in a
cooler/wetter climate.  OTOH, Roger Prince had the connector and wiring
melt-down with a high wattage bulb.

If you want the extra light and your willing to accept some risk, go for it!

-bryceu

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425/703-0558
Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft, Redmond, WA
AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140/STOC 478
'89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", 
'95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T"
'96 Honda ST1100 ALT “TruST”
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From:	Yu Seung [mailto:pohys@singnet.com.sg]
Sent:	Wednesday, January 21, 1998 3:48 PM
To:	pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject:	PC800: brighten up

Hi gang, am going to put in a higher wattage bulb (90/100W) but am
wondering what's the highest wattage that can be safely installed
without melting the reflector.  Has anyone melted the reflector yet?

Seung

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From: TedJ101 <TedJ101@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:30:45 EST
To: timmacy@JUNO.COM, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Tires...

In a message dated 98-01-21 14:30:32 EST, timmacy@juno.com writes:

<< Not too long ago there was a brief conversation on the list about Dunlop
 possibly dropping the K177. Has anyone heard anything of substance in
 that regard?
  >>

Tim,

I think I was the source of that rumor.  I was told by my dealer (Chaparral -
-  who is pretty big in the tire world) that at least the front tire was no
longer available (I didn't specifically ask about the rear since I wouldn't
want to mix and match).  When I asked when it would be available, I was told
it had been discontinued by Dunlop.  That may or may not be true.  Someone
else sent a message to Dunlop and was expecting to hear back.  I haven't heard
the results of that inquiry.

I hope this helps...

Regards,
          <<TED>>

BTW, my Metzelers have arrived <G>!

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:40:07 -0600
From: Steve Wilson <deere@linknet.net>
To: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: '96 PC 8000 or '98 Concours

Todd, go to the following site and type (pacific coast) in the keyword blank
and consider that the three year warranty is transferable and how many
goodies could you buy with the difference in the price of a new one. Just an
idea. Kinda like jokes. Every ones idea of a good one is different. Happy
hunting for a new PC. The 94 with 3500 miles at $4200 doesn't sound too bad.

Steve Wilson
Ruston LA
95 PC

todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com wrote:

> After 12 years of riding and 80,000 commuter miles, I recently totaled
> my nearly new '96 PC800.   (That is perhaps a story for another time.)
> Essentially the plastic replacement parts cost more that the motorcycle.
>
> Now I am faced with a dilemma.     My insurance company will soon cut me
> a check for some (inadequate) amount.    Should I purchase a 1996 Honda
> Pacific Coast for $7600 or a 1998 Kawasaki Concours for $7995?  (I'm
> going to name the Concours, "Buzz" if I buy it.  ;-)
>
> Arguments for the Pacific Coast:
> I know and love the Honda Pacific Coast.   I put almost 15,000 miles on
> mine in the year that I owned it.   It is smooth.   It has a low center
> of gravity that makes slow turns ever so easy and stable.    It has all
> the power I could ever need.    Blah, blah, blah,...you all know why we
> own (owned in my case) a Pacific Coast; everything from the fine
> ergonomics to the cavernous trunk reeked of careful well thought out
> engineering.  It is perhaps the best commuting motorcycle made.  The
> Honda Pacific Coast has a great big break light and easily seen turn
> signals.    I may be able to get my brand new Metzler Z2 tires
> (whatever, the high mileage ones that replaced the Marathon line)  from
> the salvage guy along with my tall windshield.
>
> Arguments for the Concours
> A bike that is two (2) model years newer will hold its value better than
> a bike that is two years old (but new) when purchased.    (I can't help
> thinking about the insurance thing.)   The Concours has a much superior
> instrument panel  with double trip meter and clock.   There are two
> locking compartments on the fairing.   The luggage can be
> removed/replaced.  The Concours has six gears so it won't sound
> over-revved at 60-65 miles per hour.   (My previous bike had 5 gears +
> overdrive, and I really missed that on the PC800.)   The Concours holds
> 7.5 gallons of gas (but unfortunately not low and under the seat).  The
> Concours has a slightly bigger engine at 997 cubic centimeters.
>
> So what do you think?   Other options include the ST1100 with ABS or a
> Beemer with ABS.    (I think I could get to like ABS since I drive all
> year 'round in commuter traffic.)   Unfortunately the ST1100 and the
> Beemers cost considerably more.
>
> Any and all advice would be appreciated.    I am trying to consider if I
> want to pop for ABS, but I am leaning towards not doing so.   Comments
> on ABS?    Comments on the Concours?    Anybody have extensive
> experience riding one?    While I know the ins and outs of the PC800, I
> am not at all familiar with the Concours except what I have read.   (In
> '86 I wanted a Concours, but that only lasted until '89 when I switched
> to the PC.   In late '96 I bought the bike of my dreams.)  Is there a 98
> PC?
>
> Most of my riding is less than 1 hour at a time commuting back and forth
> to work.   My max distance is usually 50 miles (each way) and the
> minimum is typically around 16 (each way).
>
> Todd Vierheller
> Seattle, Washington
> Y2K Core Team
> todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com
> (206) 233-6218
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:49:38 -0600
From: Steve Wilson <deere@linknet.net>
To: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: '96 PC 8000 or '98 Concours


--------------0A5363898D4FC132719B9EFC

Do I feel like an idiot. Here is the link I forgot. Cycle Trader Online

Steve Wilson wrote:

> Todd, go to the following site and type (pacific coast) in the keyword blank
> and consider that the three year warranty is transferable and how many
> goodies could you buy with the difference in the price of a new one. Just an
> idea. Kinda like jokes. Every ones idea of a good one is different. Happy
> hunting for a new PC. The 94 with 3500 miles at $4200 doesn't sound too bad.
>
> Steve Wilson
> Ruston LA
> 95 PC
>
> todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com wrote:
>
> > After 12 years of riding and 80,000 commuter miles, I recently totaled
> > my nearly new '96 PC800.   (That is perhaps a story for another time.)
> > Essentially the plastic replacement parts cost more that the motorcycle.
> >
> > Now I am faced with a dilemma.     My insurance company will soon cut me
> > a check for some (inadequate) amount.    Should I purchase a 1996 Honda
> > Pacific Coast for $7600 or a 1998 Kawasaki Concours for $7995?  (I'm
> > going to name the Concours, "Buzz" if I buy it.  ;-)
> >
> > Arguments for the Pacific Coast:
> > I know and love the Honda Pacific Coast.   I put almost 15,000 miles on
> > mine in the year that I owned it.   It is smooth.   It has a low center
> > of gravity that makes slow turns ever so easy and stable.    It has all
> > the power I could ever need.    Blah, blah, blah,...you all know why we
> > own (owned in my case) a Pacific Coast; everything from the fine
> > ergonomics to the cavernous trunk reeked of careful well thought out
> > engineering.  It is perhaps the best commuting motorcycle made.  The
> > Honda Pacific Coast has a great big break light and easily seen turn
> > signals.    I may be able to get my brand new Metzler Z2 tires
> > (whatever, the high mileage ones that replaced the Marathon line)  from
> > the salvage guy along with my tall windshield.
> >
> > Arguments for the Concours
> > A bike that is two (2) model years newer will hold its value better than
> > a bike that is two years old (but new) when purchased.    (I can't help
> > thinking about the insurance thing.)   The Concours has a much superior
> > instrument panel  with double trip meter and clock.   There are two
> > locking compartments on the fairing.   The luggage can be
> > removed/replaced.  The Concours has six gears so it won't sound
> > over-revved at 60-65 miles per hour.   (My previous bike had 5 gears +
> > overdrive, and I really missed that on the PC800.)   The Concours holds
> > 7.5 gallons of gas (but unfortunately not low and under the seat).  The
> > Concours has a slightly bigger engine at 997 cubic centimeters.
> >
> > So what do you think?   Other options include the ST1100 with ABS or a
> > Beemer with ABS.    (I think I could get to like ABS since I drive all
> > year 'round in commuter traffic.)   Unfortunately the ST1100 and the
> > Beemers cost considerably more.
> >
> > Any and all advice would be appreciated.    I am trying to consider if I
> > want to pop for ABS, but I am leaning towards not doing so.   Comments
> > on ABS?    Comments on the Concours?    Anybody have extensive
> > experience riding one?    While I know the ins and outs of the PC800, I
> > am not at all familiar with the Concours except what I have read.   (In
> > '86 I wanted a Concours, but that only lasted until '89 when I switched
> > to the PC.   In late '96 I bought the bike of my dreams.)  Is there a 98
> > PC?
> >
> > Most of my riding is less than 1 hour at a time commuting back and forth
> > to work.   My max distance is usually 50 miles (each way) and the
> > minimum is typically around 16 (each way).
> >
> > Todd Vierheller
> > Seattle, Washington
> > Y2K Core Team
> > todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com
> > (206) 233-6218
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<HTML>
Do I feel like an idiot. Here is the link I forgot. <A HREF="http://www.traderonline.com/cycle/search/index.shtml">Cycle
Trader Online</A>

<P>Steve Wilson wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Todd, go to the following site and type (pacific
coast) in the keyword blank
<BR>and consider that the three year warranty is transferable and how many
<BR>goodies could you buy with the difference in the price of a new one.
Just an
<BR>idea. Kinda like jokes. Every ones idea of a good one is different.
Happy
<BR>hunting for a new PC. The 94 with 3500 miles at $4200 doesn't sound
too bad.

<P>Steve Wilson
<BR>Ruston LA
<BR>95 PC

<P>todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com wrote:

<P>> After 12 years of riding and 80,000 commuter miles, I recently totaled
<BR>> my nearly new '96 PC800.&nbsp;&nbsp; (That is perhaps a story for
another time.)
<BR>> Essentially the plastic replacement parts cost more that the motorcycle.
<BR>>
<BR>> Now I am faced with a dilemma.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; My insurance
company will soon cut me
<BR>> a check for some (inadequate) amount.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Should I
purchase a 1996 Honda
<BR>> Pacific Coast for $7600 or a 1998 Kawasaki Concours for $7995?&nbsp;
(I'm
<BR>> going to name the Concours, "Buzz" if I buy it.&nbsp; ;-)
<BR>>
<BR>> Arguments for the Pacific Coast:
<BR>> I know and love the Honda Pacific Coast.&nbsp;&nbsp; I put almost
15,000 miles on
<BR>> mine in the year that I owned it.&nbsp;&nbsp; It is smooth.&nbsp;&nbsp;
It has a low center
<BR>> of gravity that makes slow turns ever so easy and stable.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
It has all
<BR>> the power I could ever need.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Blah, blah, blah,...you
all know why we
<BR>> own (owned in my case) a Pacific Coast; everything from the fine
<BR>> ergonomics to the cavernous trunk reeked of careful well thought
out
<BR>> engineering.&nbsp; It is perhaps the best commuting motorcycle made.&nbsp;
The
<BR>> Honda Pacific Coast has a great big break light and easily seen turn
<BR>> signals.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I may be able to get my brand new Metzler
Z2 tires
<BR>> (whatever, the high mileage ones that replaced the Marathon line)&nbsp;
from
<BR>> the salvage guy along with my tall windshield.
<BR>>
<BR>> Arguments for the Concours
<BR>> A bike that is two (2) model years newer will hold its value better
than
<BR>> a bike that is two years old (but new) when purchased.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
(I can't help
<BR>> thinking about the insurance thing.)&nbsp;&nbsp; The Concours has
a much superior
<BR>> instrument panel&nbsp; with double trip meter and clock.&nbsp;&nbsp;
There are two
<BR>> locking compartments on the fairing.&nbsp;&nbsp; The luggage can
be
<BR>> removed/replaced.&nbsp; The Concours has six gears so it won't sound
<BR>> over-revved at 60-65 miles per hour.&nbsp;&nbsp; (My previous bike
had 5 gears +
<BR>> overdrive, and I really missed that on the PC800.)&nbsp;&nbsp; The
Concours holds
<BR>> 7.5 gallons of gas (but unfortunately not low and under the seat).&nbsp;
The
<BR>> Concours has a slightly bigger engine at 997 cubic centimeters.
<BR>>
<BR>> So what do you think?&nbsp;&nbsp; Other options include the ST1100
with ABS or a
<BR>> Beemer with ABS.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (I think I could get to like ABS
since I drive all
<BR>> year 'round in commuter traffic.)&nbsp;&nbsp; Unfortunately the ST1100
and the
<BR>> Beemers cost considerably more.
<BR>>
<BR>> Any and all advice would be appreciated.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I am trying
to consider if I
<BR>> want to pop for ABS, but I am leaning towards not doing so.&nbsp;&nbsp;
Comments
<BR>> on ABS?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Comments on the Concours?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Anybody have extensive
<BR>> experience riding one?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; While I know the ins and
outs of the PC800, I
<BR>> am not at all familiar with the Concours except what I have read.&nbsp;&nbsp;
(In
<BR>> '86 I wanted a Concours, but that only lasted until '89 when I switched
<BR>> to the PC.&nbsp;&nbsp; In late '96 I bought the bike of my dreams.)&nbsp;
Is there a 98
<BR>> PC?
<BR>>
<BR>> Most of my riding is less than 1 hour at a time commuting back and
forth
<BR>> to work.&nbsp;&nbsp; My max distance is usually 50 miles (each way)
and the
<BR>> minimum is typically around 16 (each way).
<BR>>
<BR>> Todd Vierheller
<BR>> Seattle, Washington
<BR>> Y2K Core Team
<BR>> todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com
<BR>> (206) 233-6218
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:00:29 -0600
From: Mike Ver Velde <m.vervelde@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Myles's Jokes
To: Ramin Keyvan <ramin@tibco.com>, deselms@royal.net, myleslewis@juno.com
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

The Honorable Ramin wrote:

Ladies and Gents:
>
>While I am of the opinion that "Political Correctness" is the worst form
lying
>and insensitivity  foisted upon society by those with certain political
>agendas, I'm afraid I have to agree with Greg, in that, this was perhaps a
less
>than optimal place to post that sort of jocularity.
>
>While I'm sure that Myles meant to amuse, it wasn't well thought out.
However,
>we must consider that while Myles' post was inappropriate, Greg's response
was
>a bit too  vitriolic for the "crime" committed. A simple "Myles, please
don't
>post that kind of material here." would have sufficed.
>
>If my proclivities had leaned towards responding to certain things with
that
>kind of ire, I would have killed certain "Politically Correct and
>Sensitive-to-the-Need-of-Others" Americans over the past 20 years when they
>referred to my people (I come from Iran) as
>"Bed-sheet-wearing-towel-headed-camel-jockeys"! But I've found that if you
take
>the time to laugh it off and get to know/educate people, everyone is much
>better off in the long run.
>
>So, can we calm down and get back to discussing our bikes?
>
>Oh, and Myles: BAD DOG!!! NO BISCUIT!!! :-) :-) Good luck on your trip to
>Arizona!
>>
Hit it right on the nosey!  I think the great appeal of this list compared
to others is because generally speaking, most of us seem to follow the same
attitude that Ramin expressed here- We do have some that go off one end
(almost always due to pressing the send button before thinking, then wishing
they could put their head up between their legs , and the other extreme-
retailating like its a holy war!- But most of us do acknowledge the humor in
some of the jokes, are somewhat offended by others, but blow them aside with
maybe some comments like Bad Dog! I think the offender hopefully will
realize the error of their ways- with their head still up there.

Bottom line, lets not keep doing this- lets have the kind of fun that only
PC riders seem to have compared to other lists... Try to stick with the PC
topic as much as possible.  (Gotta say that sometimes the weird comments
here due to PMS or King Juans weather reports do add wondrous variety.  This
is not a technical manual afterall...)

Mike V
89  "Moose"

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:41:56 -0600
From: Mike Ver Velde <m.vervelde@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: PC800: '96 PC 8000 or '98 Concours
To: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu


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From: todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com <todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 9:57 AM
Subject: PC800: '96 PC 8000 or '98 Concours


>After 12 years of riding and 80,000 commuter miles, I recently totaled
>my nearly new '96 PC800.   (That is perhaps a story for another time.)
>Essentially the plastic replacement parts cost more that the motorcycle.
>
Hey everybody- a moment of silence here...... . .  .  .  .   .   .   .

Mike V
89 Moose

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From: JTSMCRIDER <JTSMCRIDER@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:17:10 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Tires...

Hi, Ted:

In a message dated 98-01-21 21:57:44 EST, you write:

<< (I didn't specifically ask about the rear since I wouldn't
 want to mix and match) >>

I've "mixed and matched" K177s and ML2s with no problems whatsoever on the PC.
Specifically, I've been running a Dunlop on the front and a Metzeler on the
rear since the last change on my '89, and the bike handles as well as it ever
did (that is, great) and as well as Diane's '90 which currently has Dunlops at
both ends.  I haven't tried the Metzeler-front-Dunlop-rear combination on the
PC, but I'd be very surprised if it would be any different.  I wouldn't mix
and match radial and bias, but within the same structure and size category, I
don't believe that there is enough difference to warrant much concern on a
street bike, provided that you keep the tire pressures where they belong.

JT 
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:28:31 -0600
From: Michael Mangum <mangum@hal-pc.org>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Tires...



TedJ101 wrote:

> In a message dated 98-01-21 14:30:32 EST, timmacy@juno.com writes:
>
> << Not too long ago there was a brief conversation on the list about Dunlop
>  possibly dropping the K177. Has anyone heard anything of substance in
>  that regard?
>   >>
>
> Tim,
>
> I think I was the source of that rumor.  I was told by my dealer (Chaparral -
> -  who is pretty big in the tire world) that at least the front tire was no
> longer available (I didn't specifically ask about the rear since I wouldn't
> want to mix and match).  When I asked when it would be available, I was told
> it had been discontinued by Dunlop.  That may or may not be true.  Someone
> else sent a message to Dunlop and was expecting to hear back.  I haven't heard
> the results of that inquiry.
>
> I hope this helps...
>
> Regards,
>           <<TED>>
>
>

I recently went to replace my front K555 with a K177.  The dealer, Honda of
Houston, tried to order the tire, but found it had been discontinued by Honda.  I
ordered it from Competition Accessories instead (they didn't seem to have any
problem aquiring one), and had the local dealer install it.  But I, too, would
like to know if Dunlop is dropping the tire from production.  It might be time to
stock up!

Mike Mangum


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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:33:00 -0600
From: David Drake <ddrake@uomhs.edu>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Rifle Windshield:  picking the right size - experience
	requested

Dear PC owners,

I called the Rifle dealer and was informed about the
options in ordering one of their windshields - that it
comes in the 'standard' size (25 inch I believe) and 2,
4, or 6 inches taller than this.

I am 6'1" tall and wondered if similar sized owners
could share their experience and recommendations
about their Rifle windshield size.  Do you wish you
had purchased a shorter or taller one? -- or is the one
you purchased just right?  With the taller windshield, if
you are my approximate height, are you looking
through the windshield or just over it?

I also wondered about the tinted vs. non-tinted option. 
Anybody have strong thoughts/recommendations?

thanks

David Drake
waiting for spring in Des Moines
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:34:41 -0600
From: David Drake <ddrake@uomhs.edu>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: cruise control

Anyone have any suggestions with where to get a
cruise control for the PC and how much it might cost?
Does Honda offer this as an option or is it from
elsewhere?  What is your experience with it?  Was it
worth the cost for long distance trips?

thanks.

David Drake
Des Moines
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From: JTSMCRIDER <JTSMCRIDER@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:47:44 EST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: cruise control

Hi, David:

Seems to me that someone has posted some info about a cruise control fairly
recently; I presume they will provide that info again.  I haven't done it on
the PC (yet), but I installed one made for a car on my old GL-1000.  It was
less than $100 and it worked just fine.  The hard part was finding a place to
mount the vacuum servo, but that shouldn't be a big problem on the PC.
Another task was waterproofing the control-switch module which was, of course,
not designed to be out in the elements.  The sort that I used was one that
used magnets and a sensor to monitor the speed of the wheel.  In a car, these
things go on the drive shaft or axle shaft, but I simply installed them on the
front wheel hub.  Anyway, I'm sure that this sort of thing can be done if you
are interested in doing a little cut-and-try experimentation.

Personally, I think having a simple throttle holder to allow occasional rest
periods for my throttle hand is sufficient.  When it no longer seems that way,
I'll head down to an autoparts store and see what I can find.

JT

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From: "Mike Brown" <ctywrksmikeb@lisco.net>
To: <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800:K & N
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:02:05 -0600

Hello All,
Received this e-mail back from K&N.  Checked with a few distributors - not
in stock yet.  But decided to post any - FWIW and FYI.

> From: KNCYCLE <KNCYCLE@aol.com>
> To: ctywrksmikeb@lisco.net
> Subject: K & N
> Date: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 9:37 AM
> 
> Michael,
>   The PC800 airlfilter is the HA-8089 and it retails for $39.80.
> 
> Thanks,
> Matt/Moto Tech.

Michael '90 PC800  "ESCAPN"
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:17:19 -0700
From: Randy Bailey <RandyBailey@ASU.Edu>
Subject: RE: PC800: '96 PC 8000 or '98 Concours
To: "'Steve Wilson'" <deere@linknet.net>,
        "'todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com'" <todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com>,
        "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>

I have an '89 PC and '86 Concours. I would vote for the Concours for
riding that involves 2-up, long-distances, need for 250+ miles per
fill-up, stability, performance, handling (also MUCH better weather
protection from the fairing especially with a tall Rifle shield). The
Concours is not as easy to ride in slow or stop-and-go traffic (it's top
heavy). The PC is cooler in the summer, has more convenient storage,
easier to handle in downtown traffic and doesn't need as much
maintenance. Choose your weapon depending on your intended use.

Randy

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Steve Wilson [SMTP:deere@linknet.net]
> Sent:	Thursday, January 22, 1998 8:35 AM
> To:	todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com; pc800@hpc.uh.edu
> Subject:	Re: PC800: '96 PC 8000 or '98 Concours
> 
> Do I feel like an idiot. Here is the link I forgot. Cycle Trader
> Online
> 
> Steve Wilson wrote:
> 
> > Todd, go to the following site and type (pacific coast) in the
> keyword blank
> > and consider that the three year warranty is transferable and how
> many
> > goodies could you buy with the difference in the price of a new one.
> Just an
> > idea. Kinda like jokes. Every ones idea of a good one is different.
> Happy
> > hunting for a new PC. The 94 with 3500 miles at $4200 doesn't sound
> too bad.
> >
> > Steve Wilson
> > Ruston LA
> > 95 PC
> >
> > todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com wrote:
> >
> > > After 12 years of riding and 80,000 commuter miles, I recently
> totaled
> > > my nearly new '96 PC800.   (That is perhaps a story for another
> time.)
> > > Essentially the plastic replacement parts cost more that the
> motorcycle.
> > >
> > > Now I am faced with a dilemma.     My insurance company will soon
> cut me
> > > a check for some (inadequate) amount.    Should I purchase a 1996
> Honda
> > > Pacific Coast for $7600 or a 1998 Kawasaki Concours for $7995?
> (I'm
> > > going to name the Concours, "Buzz" if I buy it.  ;-)
> > >
> > > Arguments for the Pacific Coast:
> > > I know and love the Honda Pacific Coast.   I put almost 15,000
> miles on
> > > mine in the year that I owned it.   It is smooth.   It has a low
> center
> > > of gravity that makes slow turns ever so easy and stable.    It
> has all
> > > the power I could ever need.    Blah, blah, blah,...you all know
> why we
> > > own (owned in my case) a Pacific Coast; everything from the fine
> > > ergonomics to the cavernous trunk reeked of careful well thought
> out
> > > engineering.  It is perhaps the best commuting motorcycle made.
> The
> > > Honda Pacific Coast has a great big break light and easily seen
> turn
> > > signals.    I may be able to get my brand new Metzler Z2 tires
> > > (whatever, the high mileage ones that replaced the Marathon line)
> from
> > > the salvage guy along with my tall windshield.
> > >
> > > Arguments for the Concours
> > > A bike that is two (2) model years newer will hold its value
> better than
> > > a bike that is two years old (but new) when purchased.    (I can't
> help
> > > thinking about the insurance thing.)   The Concours has a much
> superior
> > > instrument panel  with double trip meter and clock.   There are
> two
> > > locking compartments on the fairing.   The luggage can be
> > > removed/replaced.  The Concours has six gears so it won't sound
> > > over-revved at 60-65 miles per hour.   (My previous bike had 5
> gears +
> > > overdrive, and I really missed that on the PC800.)   The Concours
> holds
> > > 7.5 gallons of gas (but unfortunately not low and under the seat).
> The
> > > Concours has a slightly bigger engine at 997 cubic centimeters.
> > >
> > > So what do you think?   Other options include the ST1100 with ABS
> or a
> > > Beemer with ABS.    (I think I could get to like ABS since I drive
> all
> > > year 'round in commuter traffic.)   Unfortunately the ST1100 and
> the
> > > Beemers cost considerably more.
> > >
> > > Any and all advice would be appreciated.    I am trying to
> consider if I
> > > want to pop for ABS, but I am leaning towards not doing so.
> Comments
> > > on ABS?    Comments on the Concours?    Anybody have extensive
> > > experience riding one?    While I know the ins and outs of the
> PC800, I
> > > am not at all familiar with the Concours except what I have read.
> (In
> > > '86 I wanted a Concours, but that only lasted until '89 when I
> switched
> > > to the PC.   In late '96 I bought the bike of my dreams.)  Is
> there a 98
> > > PC?
> > >
> > > Most of my riding is less than 1 hour at a time commuting back and
> forth
> > > to work.   My max distance is usually 50 miles (each way) and the
> > > minimum is typically around 16 (each way).
> > >
> > > Todd Vierheller
> > > Seattle, Washington
> > > Y2K Core Team
> > > todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com
> > > (206) 233-6218
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From: "Spain, Harrison" <spain@edsug.com>
To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Great time on the Mt. Wilson ride
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:05:20 -0800

Instead of responding to each writer, I'll post a note to the list thanking everyone for the E-Mail 
I received in response to the Mt. Wilson trip report.

As much as I enjoyed writing the report, I certainly enjoyed the ride a lot more :-).  It really
is fun to share common interests and the PC800 group is one of the best!

Harrison Spain

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From: Jim Randall <jrandall@tricon.net>
To: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: PC800: Rifle Windshield:  picking the right size - experiencerequested
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:15:36 -0500

David Drake wrote:
>I am 6'1" tall and wondered if similar sized owners
>could share their experience and recommendations
>about their Rifle windshield size

David, more important than your height is your torso length since this is 
determines where your head is (relative to the top of the windshield) when 
you're sitting in the saddle. A pretty good estimate of torso length would 
be total height minus inseam. I'm 6'3" with a 33" inseam making me fairly 
long in the torso. Also, I might add that windshield height is largely a 
matter of taste. Obviously the taller windshield the quieter the ride but most 
would say that not being able to see over the windshield compromises 
visibility at night and in the rain.

With Rifle screens you add the height of the 5" base to the nominal height 
of the windshield if you want an apples-to-apples comparison with the 
Hondaline windshields. I started out with the tallest standard Rifle screen. 
I believe they call it 24" which would have been equivalent to a 29" Hondaline 
windshield if there were such a thing. When sitting up straight I could look 
about 2 or 3 inches over the top and except for moderate wind noise at higher 
speeds (above 65) it was just about perfect for visibility. This Fall my wife and 
I put 2-way radios on our bikes with helmet speakers and I began to get 
somewhat annoyed by the even the moderate wind noise at highway speeds. 
First I tried SAENG/TA Stealth edging on the 24" screen and in retrospect it 
worked pretty well. It increased my still air envelope by a couple of inches 
and actually works better the faster you ride. Except for the fact that it placed 
a thick dark band across my lower field of vision I liked the effect and I could 
still easily see over the top for night and rain riding. However, the dark band 
was (I thought) too annoying and I eventually returned the edging (BTW, the 
SAENG folks were great about this!) and ordered a specially made 26" Rifle 
screen (i.e. equivalent to a 31" Hondaline). I have it on the bike now. The thing
is damn quiet at any speed. I don't smoke but I think it would be possible to 
do so at 90 mph were one so inclined. Unfortunately, I have to really stretch to 
see over it and the top edge slices right thru my field of vision when riding on 
level ground in my normal posture. I really like the quiet but I'm not yet sure I 
like the effect on visibility and frankly, I feel just a little too isolated from the 
elements. I may actually return to my original tall shield with the SAENG edging. 
I haven't quite made up my mind - it's hard to get in enough miles with all this 
rain to tell for sure. My guidance to you would be that if you can stand a little 
wind noise at speed, select a height you can easily see over when necessary. 
Also, the SAENG edging works with relatively little obstruction of your field of 
vision and is a excellent way of effectivly increasing the hieght of your windshield. 

Jim Randall
95 PC
jrandall@tricon.net

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From: <todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com>
To: <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: PC800: Rifle Windshield:  picking the right size - experience requested
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:35:39 -0800

Jim Randall  hit the nail on the head, it isn't standing height that
matters for a windshield, but sitting height.  I'm only 5' 10", but I
sit tall in the saddle; if my legs matched my torso I'd be 6' 2" like my
brother.   I used the tall Hondaline and the SAENG edging (worth every
penny of $10 per foot!). I had a lot of head (helmet actually) buffeting
without the SAENG, none with it.    Unlike Jim, I didn't mind the edging
too much.   I also used the edging to block the sun (like a visor) when
I was forced to drive directly into the setting sun.   (I even made a
special trip to the dealer to pluck my SAENG edging off of the
windshield of the bike before the salvage guys started making bids on my
totaled machine.)

I like my windshield so that I look through it when hunching, and over
it when sitting straight up.   This gives me the best of both worlds.
Normally I prefer to look though it for the extra quietness and
protection.   The PC windshield has enough curve and flexibility to stay
pretty clear at highway speeds in the rain (without RainX).   Around
town I looked over it when I *really* needed to see detail.

So, get someone to measure a wooden ruler held in the same plane as the
top of the windshield with a measuring tape.   Pretend the ruler is the
top of the windshield and find a comfortable height (do this on level
ground.)   Then recheck this on a very slight incline and see if it is
still comfortable.   This works best behind a parked car at a driving
distance behind it.

I actually heard about the SAENG edging about a year ago on this group,
and I heartily recommend it.   It is like getting another couple of
inches of windshield without the windshield.      Be sure to measure
your windshield perimeter prior to ordering.

Todd Vierheller
Seattle, Washington
Y2K Core Team
todd.vierheller@nordstrom.com
(206) 233-6218

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>From: 	Jim Randall[SMTP:jrandall@tricon.net]
>Sent: 	Thursday, January 22, 1998 4:15 PM
>To: 	'PC800 List'
>Subject: 	RE: PC800: Rifle Windshield:  picking the right size -
>experiencerequested
>
>David Drake wrote:
>>I am 6'1" tall and wondered if similar sized owners
>>could share their experience and recommendations
>>about their Rifle windshield size
>
David, more important than your height is your torso length since this
>is .....
>
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From: "John Louk" <johnnytech@email.msn.com>
To: "pc800" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: SAENG Edging
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:57:36 -0500

I had my SAENG edging peel off and smack my helmet smartly at road speed
last summer.  It's sitting on the workbench awaiting a way to reinstall it
securely.  Does anyone have a good method for putting just the right amount
of "crimp" back into the metal tangs inside the edging to allow it to get a
grip (pardon the pun) on the windshield?

John Louk
Carmel, IN
'90 PC "Ruby"




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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:04:33 -0800
From: "Gregg L. DesElms" <deselms@royal.net>
To: John Louk <johnnytech@email.msn.com>
CC: pc800 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800: SAENG Edging

John Louk wrote:
> 
> I had my SAENG edging peel off and smack my helmet smartly at road speed
> last summer.  It's sitting on the workbench awaiting a way to reinstall it
> securely.  Does anyone have a good method for putting just the right amount
> of "crimp" back into the metal tangs inside the edging to allow it to get a
> grip (pardon the pun) on the windshield?
> 

One (1) (and no more) drop of cyanoacrylate (SuperGlue) on each flat
crip surface.  Hold in place 30 seconds.  You're done.

Gregg DesElms
deselms@royal.net
'89 PC800
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:15:15 -0600
From: Mike Ver Velde <m.vervelde@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: PC800: Tires...
To: JTSMCRIDER <JTSMCRIDER@aol.com>, pc800@hpc.uh.edu


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Date: Thursday, January 22, 1998 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: PC800: Tires...


  I haven't tried the Metzeler-front-Dunlop-rear combination on the
>PC, but I'd be very surprised if it would be any different

I originally had 2 Dunlops. Front was worn more, replaced it with a Metzler
in Jan with intentions of replacing the rear when its time (probably feb).
Haven't had any problems. However, I do notice a better response with the
front in compared to the Dunlop in the front.  Grips better on turns.
Presents a aura of more confidence... whatever.

Mike
89 Moose

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From: Jim Randall <jrandall@tricon.net>
To: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC800: Motorcycle Online Review of the PC
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:50:24 -0500


Pardon the long post but some folks don't have Web access and I thought
it would be worth the bandwidth. The following review is from Motorcycle 
Online. The URL is : http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mchonda/pc800.html 
I clipped the text in it's entirety (so Gregg, turn me in to the copyright police)
and pasted it below:

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First Impression: Pacific Coast 800

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Born To Be Mild 


By Motorcycle Online Staff
Photos by Billy Bartels

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Honda's Pacific Coast 800 is the station wagon of motorcycles, which isn't 
necessarily a bad thing, it's just not fashionable at this time. Our adrenaline-
junkie, Mountain Dew head-rush culture has replaced sensible and practical 
with fast and aggressive as objects of desire. Just as bigger, more powerful 
sport utility vehicles have replaced the family wagon as the family and cargo 
hauler-of-choice, faster, more powerful mounts like Honda's ST1100 and new 
aggressive race-bred sport tourers like Ducati's ST2 and Honda's new VFR 
Interceptor have sent the bikes like the Concours and the Venture into virtual 
retirement. Although fast and sporty doesn't always mean success in America 
(note the surprising demise of Kawasaki's GPZ 1100 and Yamaha's GTS 1000), 
all around practicality isn't what most Americans look for in motorcycles. 
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The Pacific Coast might be the world's most sensible motorcycle, falling on 
Honda's evolutionary chain between the Helix and the ST1100. Comfortable 
ergonomics. Excellent weather protection. Real-world, almost automobile-like 
power delivery. A huge, visible car-like rear tail-light. And, of course, the trunk. 
<Picture>
The trunk rules. It can comfortably carry four plastic bags full of groceries, along 
with a small bag of dog food. It can fit two full-sized helmets and two medium-sized 
gym bags. It's watertight. We rode the PC 800 thru two pre-El Nino Southern 
California monsoons without any water leaking into the trunk. And unlike side bags, 
stuff doesn't want to fall out when you open it. 

<Picture>
The PC 800 might be too sensible. When the PC debuted, it was considered a 
radical bike -- the world's first motorcycle completed hermetically sealed within an 
envelope of plastic. In fact, the PC 800 seems ashamed of it's motorcycle lineage. 
What this bike really wants to be is a car, all the way down to the automobile like 
instrument panel and the textured PVC that covers the handlebars. Shhhhh: Listen 
closely and you can hear it whisper "I wish I were an Accord. I wish I were an 
Accord."

<Picture>
It didn't sell well at first, but over the years it has developed a following. The 
aesthetics are perhaps the most controversial element in this otherwise friendly, 
though Milquetoast bike. Our own unscientific survey revealed that people who 
don't like motorcycles like the looks of this bike. My mom, for instance. Your 
mom probably, too. A yuppie wanna-be stockbroker friend, who's wife wouldn't 
invite us to a cotillion of aging, preppy, former sorority-girls if we showed up on 
bikes, absolutely loved the Pacific Coast. They both did.

"This is is nicest bike bike you've ever had," said Wifey. "But you still can't 
come to the cotillion." 

Hard core bikers had a different take. 

"It's looks like a port-o-pottie on wheels," sniffed one staffer.

"It looks like a scooter on steroids," said another. "And this cotillion sucks. Lets 
go over to the garbage dump and break things." Cool.

<Picture>
The PC 800 is comfortable and the weather and wind protection are very good. 
But it's a porky bike, weighing in at 640 pounds wet. Still, it handles well in 
slow corners with a good turning radius and at straightaway speeds the soft 
suspension soaks up the bumps; faster corners feel mushy. The rear suspension 
offers four-way spring preload, but the 41mm front fork is non-adjustable. We 
did find it to be relatively flickable, but because of its long wheelbase it 
preferred to stand up. Like a Weeble, it wobbled but it didn't fall down. 

<Picture>
The brakes, two twin-piston front discs and a drum at the rear, are very average. 
Fade was non-existent, but then there isn't an overabundance of stopping power, 
so there's not much there to fade. The front rotors are designed in such a way 
so that most disc locks will not fit. 

The engine is a 45-degree V-Twin, and except for displacement it's essentially 
the same engine as found on the Shadow ACE and the ACE 750. As with Gold 
Wings, the PC 800 comes with hydraulic valve adjusters for easy maintenance. 
The engine is not particularly strong, and it has a very narrow powerband -- from 
approximately 4500 to 6500 rpms. While the engine feels as though it wants to 
explore the upper limits of the rpm range, the rev limiter kicks in at just after 7000. 
With a lack of both high end and low range power, shifts are frequent, up and down. 
Top speed as indicated was close to 105 mph. We wanted to put it on the dyno, 
but we couldn't figure out how to get to the plugs without disassembling the 
bodywork. 

<Picture>
The Pacific Coast 800 fills a market niche currently unoccupied in the U.S. -- the 
sensible urban commuter. It may be an option for an older entry level rider or the 
occasional weekend tourer unable or unwilling to fork over $12,000 USD for an 
ST1100. Hard-core bikers, like everyone else on MO's staff, will still sniff and make 
jokes, and the PC 800 certainly ain't a sex magnet, you're just not going to look 
bad-assed and cool on a Pacific Coast. But when this reviewer was given the choice 
of riding cross town to the gym on a hot new sportbike or the PC 800, he always 
chose the Pacific Coast. It's comfortable, has good weather protection and it has 
a trunk. If you're looking for a real-world commuter and you expect to be hauling 
more than can fit in a tank bag, then give the PC 800 a thought. 

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Jim Randall
jrandall@tricon.net

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:04:45 -0800
From: "Gregg L. DesElms" <deselms@royal.net>
To: David Drake <ddrake@uomhs.edu>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Rifle Windshield Primer (Long version)

David Drake wrote:
> 
> Dear PC owners,
> 
> I called the Rifle dealer and was informed about the
> options in ordering one of their windshields - that it
> comes in the 'standard' size (25 inch I believe) and 2,
> 4, or 6 inches taller than this.
> 
> I am 6'1" tall and wondered if similar sized owners
> could share their experience and recommendati