********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com by mrin46.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id EAA24946; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 04:15:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 04:15:42 -0500 (EST) To: deselms@royal.net, Jfmoemd@aol.com cc: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Detectors in Canada In a message dated 97-10-25 23:24:30 EDT, deselms@royal.net writes: << Okay... that's what I thought you meant. I will only say, therefore, that your other detectors almost certainly were not influenced by other drivers' detectors. Radar detectors are receive-only devices. They transmit nothing. So it's impossible that your other detectors could have been influenced by those of other drivers. >> I don't know where you are getting your information, but it is way wrong. Early Radio Shack detectors were known to set off other detectors more often than did police radar. Moreover, the latest series of radar guns (roughly last 5 years) have a detection module that detects when people are using a radar detector. How? From RF emissions by the detector. Indeed, the very latest group of detectors detects the detector detectors and turns your unit off when it detects you being detected so that you can't be detected. Then it sends you an audible warning to let you know that you no longer have detection capability and you are within range of an officer who is running his detector detector but not his radar (implying that he has instant on -- the norm these days -- and is just waiting to hit you with it). Heck, the computer you are reading this on emits a lot of RF (particularly if you are reading this at home in which case it doesn't have to meet FCC Class B specs)... Just because it is a passive device does not mean that it emits nothing... Regards, <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jfmoemd Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 10:12:45 EST To: TedJ101@aol.com, deselms@royal.net Cc: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Detectors in Canada In a message dated 97-11-01 04:16:21 EST, TedJ101 writes: << Indeed, the very latest group of detectors detects the detector detectors >> I was looking for another gaddget to add! Surely a detector detector detector will fill the bill! John -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jfmoemd@aol.com by mrin40.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id QAA03142 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 16:45:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 16:45:34 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: In Search of PC800 manuals Hi Gang! I have been told that the printing (reprinting) of the PC Service Manual and the Owner's Guide have been farmed out by Honda to Helm Publishing somewhere in California. If someone has an address I'd like to write 'em and see what the holdup is. I have been waiting now for three months (as have many of you I'm sure) and still no manuals. Does anyone have the address of Helm? John -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MVerVelde@aol.com by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA20791 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 18:11:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 18:11:17 -0500 (EST) To: Jfmoemd@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: In Search of PC800 manuals In a message dated 97-11-01 16:46:51 EST, you write: << I have been told that the printing (reprinting) of the PC Service Manual and the Owner's Guide have been farmed out by Honda to Helm Publishing somewhere in California. If someone has an address I'd like to write 'em and see what the holdup is. I have been waiting now for three months (as have many of you I'm sure) and still no manuals. >> How bad do y'all want a manual? I have two. Im willing to let go of one to the highest bidder.... Got each one from the people I bought my 89 and 90 from. They are already broken in. Let me know. Mike V -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id JcT07350; Sun, 02 Nov 1997 09:59:47 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Indian@starklite.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Prices From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 09:59:47 EST I have the latest issue of MCN here and it has the values of a lot of used bikes. If you have one you want to know the value of, just write. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id JcP07350; Sun, 02 Nov 1997 09:59:47 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: MVerVelde@aol.com Cc: Jfmoemd@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: In Search of PC800 manuals From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 09:59:47 EST IF YOU LIVE AROUND HERE you can come over here and fotocopy mine and we could figure out a reas fee for paper & the use of my copier. Like 5 or 10 bucks? I am in Fairfax VA. I bet if you said what your town was maybe someone near you (if you are not near me) would allow you the same privelege. Can someone scan it to disk and sell him the disk-I have no idea what all that entails. On Sat, 1 Nov 1997 18:11:17 -0500 (EST) MVerVelde@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 97-11-01 16:46:51 EST, you write: > ><< I have been told that the printing (reprinting) of the PC Service >Manual >and > the Owner's Guide have been farmed out by Honda to Helm Publishing >somewhere > in California. > > If someone has an address I'd like to write 'em and see what the >holdup is. > I have been waiting now for three months (as have many of you I'm >sure) and > still no manuals. >> > >How bad do y'all want a manual? I have two. Im willing to let go of >one to >the highest bidder.... Got each one from the people I bought my 89 and >90 >from. >They are already broken in. >Let me know. > >Mike V >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jfmoemd@aol.com by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA27251; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 10:30:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 10:30:46 -0500 (EST) To: mashaw@mindspring.com, TedJ101@aol.com, PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800:soft luggage Hey Monty! I contacted RKA also, and I think the bags for the ST1100 are probably not big enough to fill the space in "our" trunks. I decided not to get 'em for that reason. Perhaps it would be good to take some measurements of the trunk and see how they compare to the ST1100 bags. BTW, I tried to find the bags Tim wrote about, from Lands End - they don't have them any more, and they don't seem to have anything in the right dimensions. I think Tim said his were 18x15x5 and they fit nicely. If you do get them and they work, please let me know! Regards, John -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 08:16:20 -0800 From: Alan Taylor To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Trip Report (a black and white 2 scoop saturday) The Southern California PC Riders Club ride for November was somewhat lightly attended, since only Harrison and myself weren't recovering from halloween parties. Nevertheless, we managed to have a very enjoyable time. We met in Fountain Valley at 9, and headed out at 10. our original plan to visit the observatory at Mt. Wilson was abandoned due to wind advisories in the Angeles mountains. Instead we headed south along the Pacific Coast Highway. (isn't nice how California pays homage to our wonderful steeds?) We followed PCH to San Clemete through hazy sunshine and comfortable temperatures. The haze worked in our favor, keeping traffic to a minimum. On a typical saturday, Laguna Beach is bumper to bumper harleys looking for a parking space. At San Clemete, PCh ends because Camp Pendleton extends to the coast, so we picked up I-5 until Carlsbad where it starts again. we took a break in La Jolla at an internet coffee shop, but resisted the temptation. (close call). We rode on to Coronado, over the hwy 75 bridge, a nice span that's toll free to motorcycles, padst the landmark Hotel Del Coronado and along the Silver Strand and Imperial Beach. we stopped here at a Kawasaki dealer to look for a Vista Cruise to replace the Throttle Meister on Harrisons 89. The dealer told us that he stopped carrying them because his customers couldn't figure out how to install them. I agreed with Harrison that anyone that couldn't figure out a Vista Cruise probably shouldn't be on two wheels. We rejoined the I-5 near the Mexican border, and headed back. the haze had burned off, and temps had risen dramatically. It was now so warm that Harrison was in shirt sleeves. (Really, I swear it.) we topped off in Carlsbad at Palomar Mountain Road, where we went back to jackets, as the coastal fog was beginning to roll in. We had a nice cruise up the 5 at around 75 mph. traffic was moderate, and we saw fewer crazies than usual. A stop in Lake Forest at a cycle supply house netted us the Vista Cruise, and we went up a block to the Lake Forest honda dealer, HKS cycle on El Toro Rd. The only PC they had was a 90 with 5300 miles and drop marks on the right bumper guards. They were asking $6,000 for it. considering my 95 was only $5,000 and in better condition, it will probably be there a while if anyone is interested. At this point we parted company, Harrison taking the 5 up to Cypress, and I taking the 405 to Long Beach, where I had the only close call of the ride. I hit a patch of grease leaving a light and took off in several different directions simultaneously before regaining control. We were connected by Maxon radios throughout theride, and thanks to an antenna mod Harrison dreamed up, using a Ham Radio antenna, we had a useful range of close to a mile. It also made for some real pleasant chat. One other note. Caltrans, the California state highway dept, has signs posted along part of PCH designating it a Pacific Coast Bike Trail, unfortunately, they put a bicycle icon it. i'll write them about the mistake. Alan -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 00:18:20 +0800 From: Poh Yu Seung To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu CC: san_kin_cheong@jpmorgan.com, santheep@pacific.net.sg, throttle@pacific.net.sg Subject: PC800: PC800 on test Hi all, thought you might like to know, the 1998 PC800 is now part of the motorcycle online - long term test fleet. Check it out. http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/manufac.html#sneak Wonder if this will bring the PC800 into the main stream, push up the demand, and hopefully the number of happy owners. Yu Seung from Singapore. '95 Black and Blasting -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 14:18:13 -0500 From: Hal MacDonald To: Jfmoemd@aol.com CC: mashaw@mindspring.com, TedJ101@aol.com, PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800:soft luggage Hi to all I just last week got RKA liner bags for my ST1100. They are not a square ended rectangle but the dimensions are as follows :- Top to bottom:- 10.5" at 1" from one end to 12.5" at other end 1" in. Side To Side:- Bottom 18.5" to 16.5" again a bit from the ends. Front to back:- 7" constant. They are angled from bottom to top and rounded at corners which makes these unusual dimension descriptions. FWIW the shorter height might be useful for things left in the trunk all the time such as toolkit, owners manual, rain gear, first aid kit, etc. etc. Let the removeable bag sit on top of them. I don't have my PC anymore and the friend that bought it has put it up for the winter at his Chalet that is about 100 miles north of here. Even though I love a good excuse for a ride, it is too far in rain for even me, especially after last weekend. A friend on his ST and I went Toronto to North Carolina for a rally with other STOC members and we had rain for 7/8ths of the 1900 mile/3000+ Km trip. The RKA luggage quality is excellent and I would highly recommend it and the people that I dealt with at RKA. They came through with promised delivery, and said that if I was not 100% satisfied to return or exchange. I also bought their tank bag and it is the best of any that I have seen anywhere at any price. Richard the owner asked quite a few related questions about what I wanted the bag for and recommended their smaller (18 vs 23 ltr) bag that was cheaper. A refreshing attitude. Hope that this information is useful to someone. Hal MacDonald Ajax, Ont. Canada STOC, HRCA, HSTA, MMIC. Jfmoemd@aol.com wrote: > > Hey Monty! > > I contacted RKA also, and I think the bags for the ST1100 are probably not > big enough to fill the space in "our" trunks. I decided not to get 'em for > that reason. Perhaps it would be good to take some measurements of the trunk > and see how they compare to the ST1100 bags. > I think Tim said his were 18x15x5 and they fit nicely. > > If you do get them and they work, please let me know! > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KNUCK47@aol.com by mrin44.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA28912; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:41:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:41:32 -0500 (EST) To: rocheux@juno.com cc: Lori_P@nsta.org, indian@starklite.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: La guerre, c'est fini. Man! You really got up on a soapbox there, didn't you? My aversion to buying anything Japanese that I don't have to is two-fold. One, it is out of respect to all the American servicemen who lost their lives in WWII after Japan pulled their little Pearl Harbor trick. How soon we forget. The other is to protect American jobs. The more that foreign goods are imported into the States, the more the fat-cat, big businessman's pockets bulge, and the American workers suffer for it. I do not mean to sound predjudiced, and I am not a racist, and I feel the same about Imports from other countries. I guess I'm a Protectionist, looking out for the well-being of our nations workers. I also did some research. I talked to two friends who run Yokahamas, and they both swear by them, and have gotten long service out of them, so like I said, I'm sure they're fine, and I'm always willing to listen to anyones opinion. I went out and looked at my 47 American-Made Harley Knucklehead. The tires I have are Coker Commanders, Max Load 760 LB @ 32 PSI COLD. 4PLY POLYESTER CORD. LOAD RANGE B. (REPLACES 4-PLY RATING). So, have fun with your comparison project, I'll just have fun riding. . . on Cokers! Ron. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id PEW07350; Sun, 02 Nov 1997 15:58:55 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: KNUCK47@aol.com Cc: rocheux@juno.com, Lori_P@nsta.org, indian@Starklite.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: La guerre, c'est fini. From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 15:58:55 EST Sounds like a sturdy tire. With those specs I think I will have to give them a try next time. Thanx. I did find Coker's home page and sent them an e-mail. I buy American first as well, but it has to be equal to or better than...Ride safely. PS I had a family member killed in WW2, so I know the feeling. Tnx 4 ur reply. On Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:41:32 -0500 (EST) KNUCK47@aol.com writes: >Man! You really got up on a soapbox there, didn't you? My aversion to >buying >anything Japanese that I don't have to is two-fold. One, it is out of >respect >to all >the American servicemen who lost their lives in WWII after Japan >pulled their >little >Pearl Harbor trick. How soon we forget. The other is to protect >American >jobs. >The more that foreign goods are imported into the States, the more the >fat-cat, big >businessman's pockets bulge, and the American workers suffer for it. I >do not >mean >to sound predjudiced, and I am not a racist, and I feel the same about >Imports from >other countries. I guess I'm a Protectionist, looking out for the >well-being >of our >nations workers. > I also did some research. I talked to two friends who run >Yokahamas, and >they >both swear by them, and have gotten long service out of them, so like >I said, >I'm >sure they're fine, and I'm always willing to listen to anyones >opinion. > I went out and looked at my 47 American-Made Harley Knucklehead. >The >tires I have are Coker Commanders, Max Load 760 LB @ 32 PSI COLD. 4PLY >POLYESTER CORD. LOAD RANGE B. (REPLACES 4-PLY RATING). So, have >fun with your comparison project, I'll just have fun riding. . . on >Cokers! >Ron. >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id PEV07350; Sun, 02 Nov 1997 15:58:55 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: dbroadfoot@hotmail.com Cc: indian@starklite.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: Prices From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 15:58:55 EST Real cute! Damned if they just ain't fresh out of Indian prices. Seriously, the ricers and Hardly Decents only went back to 1982 in that report. So solly Chollie. On Sun, 02 Nov 1997 10:35:31 PST "Toastman and.his.computer" writes: > > >> >>I have the latest issue of MCN here and it has the values of a lot of >>used bikes. If you have one you want to know the value of, just >write. > >Please tell me the value of the following > >40 indian4 >40 chief >46 chief >46 chief roadmaster > >thanks >Donald > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id PEU07350; Sun, 02 Nov 1997 15:58:55 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: halmm@idirect.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Prices From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 15:58:55 EST $6140 for your ST1100 minus said goodies. $6 for 1 issue. $39.95 12 issues. Send $$ to Motorcycle Consumer News PO Box 55661 Boulder CO (where else?) 80332-5661 Back issues call Ian Smith 303-777-2385 Bon chance!! On Sun, 02 Nov 1997 13:41:44 -0500 Hal MacDonald writes: >Hi Rocky; > >I am curious about the value that they show for a '92 ST1100 STD (non >ABS,LBS,TCS) > >Also could you please send me the address and or information regarding >subscribing to MCN. I have seen several references to it and thought I >had saved a URL for them but can't locate it. > >How is "the bride" doing on riding. I hope that she did not give up. I >readily admit that it is easier for me to sit behind this screen and >encourage than it is as close as you are. > >Thanks in advance and Ride Safely > >Hal MacDonald >Ajax, Ont., Canada. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: PC800: FS: 1995 PC800 Alabama Date: Sun, 2 Nov 97 16:11:53 -0600 From: Rick Fisher To: "PC800 messages" If interested or know someone please let them know anbout it. I would like $5900 or best offer Factory back rest tail light flasher hand stripped never been down just had carbs cleaned :-( No time to ride anymore. Rick Fisher dentman@idt.net *************************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 1992 750SX Jet Ski 1997 Enforcer Team XP gas powered R/C boat 1994 Male human terror (aka Alex) 19xx Female human? "Da BOSS" various mammals arf meow etc. *************************************************************************** -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 22:30:07 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vincent Santamaria" Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: Prices Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 17:20:06 -0500 Rock, I have every issue of MCN ever printed. It's the only magazine that I save. Vince in Fort Myers, FL ---------- > Back issues call Ian Smith 303-777-2385 > Bon chance!! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 17:21:52 -0600 From: Lee Petersen To: Rocky E Rocheux CC: indian@dorje.com, KNUCK47@aol.com, Lori_P@nsta.org, indian@starklite.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: La guerre, c'est fini. Rocky E Rocheux wrote: > > Thank you for your opinion. I did not mean to anger you. > If Japanese names turn you off then do not look at the shocks on your > Finally, if the name Yokohama turns one off, I wonder, what is the effect > of; Barbera, Nguyen, Goldstein, Schmidt, Gonzales, Peugot, etc:. > Rocky Au contraire, M. Rocheux, you have just started a giant us- versus-them, anti-harley flame-fest, on an Indian digest and cross-posted to (apparently) your honda digest and who knows who or what else. I get more of this trash than I care to on the net already, on the newsgroup dedicated to Brand X (which unlike you I will not crosspost/spam to, thus flooding the INDIAN digest with non-INDIAN subject material). Thanks to twit-filter plug-ins to Netscape, one can avoid a lot of trash on the newsgroups, after the offending author is identified. To me, that is one of the advantages of an e-mail digest (like this one); most casual muck-rakers AND NON-INTERESTED PARTIES are dissuaded from joining in the first place, and the signal to noise ratio is much higher than in the newsgroups. I have asked you politely before, and ask again: Because there are those here who DON'T CARE or DON'T WANT to read about harleys in this digest, and those who DON'T CARE or DON'T WANT to read about hondas in this digest, and those who DON'T CARE or DON'T WANT to read racial pot-stirring on an internationally-populated digest, *please* refrain from posting these things on the INDIAN digest(s), and from cross-posting to other digests that have absolutely no common interest to anyone except yourself. I for one am happy to see any amount of debate on tires for Indians here - very useful information, but why does it have to degenerate to this, because you disagree with one other man's opinion? Is it not enough simply to state that you disagree, and continue to discuss tires and Indian-related stuff? If not out of respect for the majority of INDIAN digest subscribers, can you not at least desist your wanton cross-posting of this stuff on Starklite's list? Don't you suppose they (Gary and his family) have enough other things to worry about right now, without having to wade through a cross-posted flame war just to update us on Shaylea's condition? Lee Petersen -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id JcQ07350; Sun, 02 Nov 1997 09:59:47 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: KNUCK47@aol.com Cc: rocheux@juno.com, Lori_P@nsta.org, indian@starklite.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: La guerre, c'est fini. 51-53,61-62,67-68,72-73,75-76,79-80,85-86,89-90,92-93,95-97,100, 104-105,110-111,118-119,122-123,125-126,128-129 From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 09:59:47 EST KNUCK47@aol.com writes I'm >sure >Yokahama tires are just fine, but the name turns me off. Maybe they'd >be well>suited to an antique Japanese ride! > Thank you for your opinion. I did not mean to anger you. If Japanese names turn you off then do not look at the shocks on your pals' new Harleys or the alternator and starter and other limited items in the electrics or the carbs just before the EFI came on. Do not look at a lot of the parts on your Ford, Chrysler or GM car or heaven forbid you are driving a Toyota or a Nissan. One of the great shortcomings we need to overcome, and especially in this great country of ours, since we (the USA) are the biggest assemblage of crossbreeds, and the biggest racial mixing bowl, is the animal tendency to feel more comfy around others who tend to be more like us and less comfy around those who are not like us, who might have a different skin color or funny shaped eyes. Now, that said, I want to post the following on my tires: (a)Load Range C (b)Max Load per tire 830 lbs @ 36 PSI (c)Sidewall Nylon 3 (d)tread nylon 3 + aramid 1 Now maybe there is a tire expert out there that can translate that for me and who can translate what stats come on the Cokers when I post them and we can do a rational, scholarly comparison. Next thing I am going to do is get the stats on Cokers if I can find it on their homepage or if not by getting a catalog or by calling and asking----and when the rain finishes, I will see if I can wheel Red Cloud out of the garage and read any more stuff off the tires, but I think I captured the essence of the stats on those tires. I don't fly on emotion or on the strength of my limited personal experience or what a handful of my buddies have bought and taken to 90 mph. Granted, I bought these Yokies on the strength of the recommendation of a man who has been into cycles for a livlihood for half a century and who, after having seen both, recommended what he felt was the better of the two contenders and I got it without personally examining the statistics of the construction of both contenders. Now that you have raised this issue, and you may well be right, I want to know the stats. When I get something it is after it has been looked up in Consumers' Reports or I have otherwise come to the conclusion that it is the superior product, I don't care if it came from Japan, Taiwan or Mars. I want the finest that can be had and that is why other than my antique Indian, my 3 mounts are Japanese. §§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§ Consider the following letter published in the latest issue of Motorcycle Consumer News: 11/97 p3 col3 OPEN LETTER TO HARLEY DAVIDSON by Jim Carpenter of Akron OHIO To the President of H-D (that'd be Dick Teerlink if I am not mistaken) That proverbial buck has to stop somewhere. With Harley Davidson, you are that somewhere. As all good things are laid at your feet, so must things not so good. Mistakes are understandable, problems are inevitable. It's when those mistakes and problems go uncorrected that consumers become bitter. After owning a 1994 FLHTC with a faulty cam bearing, I was hoping my 1995 FLHTCUI would not have any such ongoing problems. Optimism runs in my family. So does loyalty, but there are limits to both. On a recent trip West (sic) and the obligatory stop in Sturgis, both my optimism and loyalty were again shaken by your product. While sitting in a seemingly endless line of broken bikes and attempting to maintain a positive outlook, I discovered that four other "Ultras" were in line for the same problem! My 12,500 mile bike was the oldest. The youngest had only 1350 miles. The ignition switches vibrate apart, we were told by the factory representative. Vibrate apart on your deluxe, rubber-mounted luxo-touring machine? No way, more information was needed. "Junk," declared the parts man looking at the switch. "We have already replaced 27, and will probably need 50 more." It would seem that this is a common problem. In our group of eight bikes, both "Ultras" had to have new ignitions. One of the bikes had to be trailered to the dealer and was down for 2 days. Understanding this is very difficult. If a problem exists, why not fix it? Or will it be similar to the cam bearing problem--that exists only in owner's minds? Upgrade the item, tell the owners to come in and have it replaced (did the fuel petcock recall hurt that much?) and be done with it. Please don't let other owners have problems with a part that you know is bad. A copy of this letter is being sent to MOTORCYCLE CONSUMER NEWS for print. Better stock up on ignitions. On the whole my bike is great, but being stranded because of an obviously defective part is unacceptable. About the dealer refusing to accept my extended warranty, "because it would take too long," is a whole other letter. §§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§ Mr. Carpenter's letter could have been appended to include the many battery problems with Harley and voltage regulator failures I and others I knew were undergoing. I got a new 89 Springer and in 7 yrs had 5 batteries fail. Yes I topped up the water once a fortnight, but the vibration would crack the innards and the current would fail to pass and the bike would roll to a halt just as if the key had been turned off. I went battery shopping once: Sears Die Hard had the following stamped on the bottom; "Yuasa/Exide - Reading PA USA." So did the Interstate, so did the Harley, so did the JC Whitney, so did the one I saw at Trak Auto. Yuasa had cornered the battery market for Harleys and were putting out a junk battery that could not stand the vibration! Fully 7 times in 7 years I was stranded--5 batteries and 2 regulators. Of course there is not even an idiot light, let alone a volt or ammeter. It was the 7th failure that caused the thought to cross my mind, "if I am going to have a troublesome antique, it may as well be a real antique," and so I sold the Harley I paid $9000 new for, to my neighbor for $13,500 (yes Virginia, they do appreciate) and took a bit out of savings and got this Indian. Do you recall the film on the Indians vs. the new Harleys on their way to Sturgis that aired a few months ago on PBS? None of the Indians broke down, but the Harleys did. So now I am off to find the stats on the Cokers and will repost the Yokohamas and we can do a comparison. Finally, if the name Yokohama turns one off, I wonder, what is the effect of; Barbera, Nguyen, Goldstein, Schmidt, Gonzales, Peugot, etc:. Rocky -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Sat, 1 Nov 1997 15:20:47 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 14:20:26 -0800 From: "Gregg L. DesElms" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Radar Detector Myths Debunked Someone on this list wrote: > > In a message dated 10-25-97 Gregg DesElms writes: > >> Okay... that's what I thought you meant. I will only say, >> therefore, that your other detectors almost certainly were >> not influenced by other drivers' detectors. Radar detectors >> are receive-only devices. They transmit nothing. So it's >> impossible that your other detectors could have been influenced >> by those of other drivers. > > I don't know where you are getting your information, but it is way > wrong. Early Radio Shack detectors were known to set off other > detectors more often than did police radar. > > Moreover, the latest series of radar guns (roughly last 5 years) > have a detection module that detects when people are using a > radar detector. How? From RF emissions by the detector. Indeed, the very > latest group of detectors detects the detector detectors and turns your unit > off when it detects you being detected so that you can't be detected. Then > it sends you an audible warning to let you know that you no longer have > detection capability and you are within range of an officer who is running > his detector detector but not his radar (implying that he has instant on -- > the norm these days -- and is just waiting to hit you with it). > > Heck, the computer you are reading this on emits a lot of RF (particularly > if you are reading this at home in which case it doesn't have to meet FCC > Class B specs)... Just because it is a passive device does not mean that it > emits nothing... > I apologize for not being more clear about what I was trying to say in my previouus post. And I probably shouldn't have used the word "impossible." The word "improbable" would have been more accurate and certainly more in line with what I really meant. But there is no confusion that I never said it "emits" nothing. I said it "transmits" nothing. Perhaps the problem lies, in part, in confusion with these terms. Nothing in what been written above nullifies the intent, if not the precise language, of what I wrote in my original posting. There is a stunning difference between the unmodulated, spurious radiation RF and EMF that virtually ANY electronic device emits, and the controlled, modulated, intentional RF that can only come from a transmitter (which itself also emits spurious radiation of various types). In part, it has to do with intent. An RF emission (which is typically unintentional) is NOT a transmission (which typically *is* intentional). There is both a technical and a legal difference between the two. What I wrote in my previous posting stands: There is no transmitter in a radar detector, hence a radar detector transmits nothing. Because of its shoddy design, it may emit, but it does not transmit. Therefore, it is extremely unlikely -- if not impossible -- that the radar detector from an oncoming car will set off one's radar detector. This, of course, does not mean it has never happened or that it cannot happen under just the right circumstances. Every radar detector is different. Atmospheric conditions -- even the position of the sun -- can also affect it. And of *course* two radar detectors set side-by-side could and probably would interefere with one another as was described in a response posting by someone else on this list. But that doesn't mean that either one of these side-by-side units would actually be transmitting" anything. A radar detector that cannot differentiate between spurious RF and EMF emissions and the specific radar frequency transmissions its circuitry was designed to detect, or a radar detector that emits so much spurious RF or EMF that its emissions will trip other radar detectors, is simply a badly designed and/or produced electronic device. Period. As far as the rest of what's been written above, all I can say is, it appears the author has been reading too many full-page ads in airline in-flight magazines. While it may, under precisely the right circumstances and in a given moment in time, be possible for device A to detect the presence of device B because device B is so poorly designed that it emits a lot of spurious RF, and while it may simultaneously be possible for device B to then detect the presence of device A for much the same reasons and to then modify its behavior as a consequence, only a fool would rely on such technology since the entire construct would be predicated on signals which are unintentional and unregulated and conform to no standards and which will, therefore, vary wildly from device to device and are, therefore, wholly unpredictable. Radar detectors work because the frequency, modulation and intensity of radar transmissions from radar guns is regulated by the FCC and is, therefore, predictable. Any detection scheme based on unregulated, unpredicatble, unintentional, incidental, stray RF or EMF is, by definition, fundamentally flawed. If a radar gun has a "detector detector" as the author of the above response calls it, it would simply be an opportunistically-designed device which cashes-in on the fact that so many consumer radar detectors are shoddily designed or built and emit too much spurious RF and/or EMF (and also that the FCC doesn't give a damn). That every once in a while a so-called "detector detector" is also so poorly designed or produced that a similarly opportunistically-designed radar detector can occasionally detect its presence is a fluke, by definition, and should not be relied upon. Well-designed electronic devices will not interfere with other well-designed electronic devices as long as they are not sitting right on top of each other. And, truth be known, they shouldn't even then. That so much of the electronic stuff on today's market is just crap and, therefore, tends to influence other electronic stuff -- stuff which is, itself, probably also crap -- does not mean that radar detectors transmit anything. They do not. And if the FCC would more rigorously enforce its guidelines on manufacturers of electronic devices, fewer of their products would be interfering with one another and fewer people would be under the mistaken impression that radar detectors are out there exchanging secret signals. Sheesh. Gregg L. DesElms deselms@royal.net '89 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jfmoemd Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 19:41:06 EST To: deselms@royal.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Radar Detector Myths Debunked Sorry, Gregg. Interfering signals generated by oncoming radar detectors is a fact, whether you want to call them "spurious emissions," "transmissions," or strawberry shortcake. It's the old conflict between the lab and the field. The theoretical guys say it can't happen but the people in the field prove that it does. After all, we all know that bees can't fly, right? I've been there, done that, and it happens. John -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bob Ray" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: Radar Detector Myths Debunked Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 18:42:42 -0600 Gregg L. DesElms writes: > That so much of the electronic stuff on today's market is just crap and, > therefore, tends to influence other electronic stuff -- stuff which is, > itself, probably also crap -- does not mean that radar detectors > transmit anything. They do not. And if the FCC would more rigorously > enforce its guidelines on manufacturers of electronic devices, fewer of > their products would be interfering with one another and fewer people > would be under the mistaken impression that radar detectors are out > there exchanging secret signals. > > Sheesh. If you're really paranoid, just wrap your radar detector in tin foil before you put it in a baggie; tin foil for RF emissions, baggie for rain. Detector-detectors. Anti-VG2 technology. Bunch of crap. Change the processor frequency and you'll change the RF emissions. Build a four-layer board instead of a two-layer board and you'll change the RF emissions. Bob Ray -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/971030) via SMTP id VAA27361 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 21:58:32 -0500 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: RE: PC800: gas mileage, Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 20:00:11 -0500 This thread has been thoroughly discussed previously so I won't belabor the point; BUT, I never get concerned about fuel before 150 miles. I've gone 180 on several occasions and rarely put in more than 3.5 gallons. Since my wife's bike has less range than the PC, we usually stop for gas around 150 miles anyhow. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Francois Saint Laurent [SMTP:fsl@borgconsulting.com] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 1997 9:57 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: gas mileage, >In a message dated 97-10-30 20:45:33 EST, someone wrote: > ><< As far as mile per tank, The PC has a gauge, but no reserve. I've > gone 140, and calculated a possible 160. I never ran it dry, so I'm > not sure. A larger tank would be nice, but really that's the only > thing I'd do different on the PC if I were Honda. >> > I regularly travel 140-150 in combined city/highway, and over 180 when driving only on the highway when travelling somewhere. I know that the members of this list have a wide variance of mpg figures. There are so many variables to consider (load weight, age and mileage of bike, wind, ambient temps, octane ratings, different shields, etc.) that it is impossible to know what any particluar bike will get until you actually do it. But the rule of thumb seems to be that it's time to look for gas at 120, and get it before 140, or you may be walking. fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com by emout33.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA05385; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 21:56:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 21:56:46 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: PC800: Northern IL : Last ride of the season •December 7th •The Twentieth Anniversary of World's Largest Motorcycle Parade in Chicago, Illinois Point of contact is GySgt Fidel V. Garcia (773) 539-6464. Hi Gang, This is Todd Z from Chicago. This upcoming Dec. 7th 10AM (the first Sunday in Dec) will be the 20th Anniversary of the World's Largest Toys for Tots ride..... We start from a park at about 70th Street (Southside of Chicago) and ride North on Western Ave. I did it last year and it was quite fun. The HSTA turnout, however, was one (me). Let's see if we can DOUBLE it this year. Call me at 773-235-0933 for details. Price of admission is a toy. TZ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id VHZ04417; Sun, 02 Nov 1997 21:26:44 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 18:24:17 -0800 Subject: PC800: Goin' Loopy 83-88,90-93 From: timmacy@juno.com (Timothy B Macy) I didn't ride up to Sandpoint, ID, this weekend. Nan and I had gone to the Blazers game Friday night, and Nan had a really tough day at the clinic on Friday, so she went to bed right after we got back from the game. I decided to stay up and do the wash loads 'cause there were clothes in the wash that she wanted to take with her, and ended up not getting to bed until 3am. So when Nan asked if I was going to follow her up to Sandpoint on the Stealthmobile Saturday morning, I just wasn't up to it. We decided that I'd ride up on Friday and follow her home on Sunday if the weather cooperates. Of course, about an hour after she left, I regretted my decision because Saturday turned into a beautiful (for November 1st) day--sunny and in the 60s. I knew I had to get a ride in or go crazy so I decided to ride down to Corvallis and call on Tom and Carol Garbacik. It also gave me the excuse to ride some of my favorite roads down in the Willamette Valley. I rode down to Corvallis, grabbed a bite at a local burger place, and called Tom to see if it was okay to drop in. He was fighting a nasty cold, but he graciously extended me an invitation to stop at their house, which is a few miles west of Corvallis in the Coastal Range foothills. Even though we've lived in Oregon for 18 years, inexplicably I had never been in Corvallis, and after I rode through the town on the way west I regretted not ever taking the time to explore it before. Corvallis is a beautiful town with tree-lined streets reminiscent of many towns I had seen in Wisconsin and Iowa. I was very impressed with its small-town charm. To get to the Garbacik's house, I had to ride through Philomath, a small town just west of Corvallis, and then take Hwy. 34 for 4 miles and stop at a small white church...where Tom was going to meet me to provide guidance to their house. The ride through the valley to the church was typical Coast Range; gorgeous valleys pressed in on both sides by the steep thickly-treed slopes of the mountains. Tom was at the church, as promised, and warned me that the roads in their "subdivision" were steep and graveled. I say "subdivision" because their house is one of about fifty homes set among the trees, but subdivision is a very inadequate word for the area. The homes are in a totally natural setting, with grassy glens and a second-growth forest of pines dominating the landscape. It was so quiet and so beautiful at their house that I was totally captivated. And if you've never met Tom and Carol, you are in for a treat when you do. I had a very enjoyable time and chatted with them for about an hour. As you may recall, Tom is the proud possessor of a very cherry '90 PC that he picked up earlier this year (for next to nothing!) and when I say "cherry" I mean it! The bike is in spectacular shape; a lot cleaner than pore ole Stealth, that's for sure. What does this have to do with goin' loopy? Well, after putting in 200 miles on Saturday, I vowed that Sunday was going to be spent on the road too. But there's one problem with riding a lot that I'm sure most of you are familiar with--I was faced with the "been there, done that" syndrome. I couldn't think of any place close by that I wanted to go to, so I determined that I would "do" a road that I hadn't done before. This, of course, meant that it would probably have to be a distance ride, so I slapped my Map'n'Go cd-rom in the drive started looking for a "loop" that I could take which would be at least partially in unfamiliar territory. I first chose a northerly shot on I-5 into Washington up to Hwy. 12 and east to Yakima on the east side of the Cascades...and back through the Columbia Gorge to Portland. It wasn't "new", but we had only done Hwy. 12 once and liked it. It was a 400-mile round-trip, which looked good. But looking a little further north, I realized that if I went I-5 all the way to Seattle and I-90 and I-82 to Yakima, it was exactly 500 miles. Nan and I had ridden the Oregon 500 in 10 hours, and we were just riding our normal ride. Ever since then, I had wondered how quickly I could ride 500 miles if I really put my mind to it--minimal stops, etc. I realized that this was the perfect opportunity, since I can ride...ahem...a bit more aggressively solo than with Nan on the back. And the bonus was the fact that I had never ridden the Seattle-Yakima stretch of road before. And that's just what I did. I got away from home at 9am Sunday; it was about 42 degrees and foggy in Portland and along the first 60 miles of ride, since it was near the Columbia River west of town. I took I-5 north to Seattle, skirted the city on I-405 and headed east on I-90. Fortunately it had been warm for a few days, so there was no snow going over Snoqualmie Pass. The day remained beautiful, so I didn't have to deal with either rain or wind. I angled south on I-82 to Yakima, took Hwy 97 (a favorite of mine) to the Columbia Gorge, and got home at 4:30pm. 500 miles in 7.5 hours! Not bad, I'd say.... Hmmm...what's next? 1000 miles in 15 hours? Let's see, where's my Map'n'Go......?! Tim Portland, OR '94 PC800--63,959 Miles of Smiles "I have made good judgments in the Past. I have made good judgments in the Future." -- Vice President Dan Quayle -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/971030) via SMTP id VAA27368 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 21:58:37 -0500 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: PC800: 2 way radios and other ramblings Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 21:48:27 -0500 Several weeks ago I mentioned here that I was working on communicators for Nancy and I. They're installed now and I thought I'd share the results with the list. Firstly, the 2-ways work really well. We had our maiden voyage with them on Friday. Since it was suppose to rain on Saturday and Sunday (and did) and both our kids were otherwise occupied (my daughter finished 11th in the state high school cross country meet in Nashville - yes I'm proud but that's another story), we took the day off to enjoy some late season cycling. Although Friday started out cool (around 40F when we left at 9AM), by noon it was up to 65 and by late afternoon the temperature hit about 70 - not bad for Oct 31. We made a pretty good day of it riding about 400 miles total. Our loop began here in N.E TN taking US23 up through the S.W corner of Virginia to Pikeville, Kentucky. Then, we turned due east into West Virginia, and enjoyed a leisurely ride down U.S 10 to Princeton. Around dark we picked up I77 (cool 2 mile tunnel at the WV/VA line and slabbed it back down to I81 at Wytheville, VA and finally home. Beautiful country - lots of fall color still, several really nice twisties and a sunny clear day. And, to top it all off, we could finally TALK to each other... but I digress. I looked pretty carefully at the commercial communicators available and concluded 1) I wanted more range than the 200 mw 49Mhz units provided and 2) I wanted the versatility offered by 27 Mhz CB - like talking to my Winger buddies. The radios are Cobra 40 channel 4 watt 'walkie-talkie' units (a pair for $89 from the Cobra web site). These radios will operate either on 10 AA ni-cads or from an external 13.8 volt source. When running on external power, the lower part of the case snaps off making a very small package.(slightly larger than a pack of cigarettes but with a rubber ducky antenna, of course). They also have jacks for external speaker, microphone and PTT switch. I went ahead and bought the optional lapel speaker/mics made for these units with the intent of using the 'guts' in our helmets. As it turns out, this wasn't really necessary although the schematic which came with them was quite useful. Because I didn't want a big PTT switch out on the end of the handle bar, I rigged a DPDT relay to handle switching chores. I also wanted to minimize interference from the bike's electrical systems so I bought a 4 amp noise suppression kit from Radio Shack. The noise suppression kit, the relay and jack for plugging in the helmet mic/speaker all mounted in a small aluminum box. Our PTT switch is just a tiny momentary-on SPST switch which I mounted through a 1//4" hole in the plastic covering on the PC's handlebar. On Nancy's Nighthawk we used the same switch but made a little handlebar bracket. On the PC the radio attaches to the left speaker 'cutout" with velcro. The rubber ducky antenna bends backwards slightly due to the shape of the dash but seems to work fine. On the Nighthawk we use velcro on the fuel tank and a 90 degree BNC connector to point the antenna vertical. In the helmets (Shoei RF700) are a small speaker and a condenser mic glued to the inside of the 'face guard'. It took a little experimentation to get the impedance of the mics right but with the help of some electronics buddies who work in broadcasting we finally got it right. How does it work? Very well, thank you. There is no electrical interference on either motorcycle, EXCEPT for the PC's cooling fan which makes a sound roughly like a circular saw - guess I'll have to put some type of capacitor across it to quieten it down. As with any audio device on a motorcycle, the biggest enemy is wind noise. It's pretty quiet behind my faring up to around 60 or so but above that it gets more difficult to hear. Nancy's Nighthawk has a windshield and I could begin to hear wind noise in her transmissions above 60 also. The radios are still usable at highway speeds but we found we needed to speak more slowly to be understood. Below 60, and particularly with the visors it's like being in the same room. The range varies with terrain of course and we both kept our squelch set up pretty high to suppress unwanted signals. We found we could reliably communicate for a 1/2 mile or so and sometimes as much as a mile. I'm sure with better antennas the range would be much better but the convenience of the little rubber duckies outweighs the need for range for us at this point. I'm sure others on the list who are already using communicators will agree, the biggest benefit is safety. We can discuss stops, routes, road conditions, tactics, etc while in route. Neither of us had a single occasion of, "what the heck is he/she doing now?" since we could talk about everything ahead of time... a huge improvement! BTW, we all (Nancy; Joe, my son who won't be old enough to get his license for couple of months yet, and I) took the MSF course two weekends ago. It was, as many of you know, a very positive experience. I've been riding a long time (39 years) and although the basic 'learning to ride the bike' stuff was a little slow for me, I enjoyed watching the first timers. The more advanced parts of the course sharpened my riding skills perceptibly and had a dramatic impact on Nancy's. Joe, who by passing the MSF course gets to bypass the riding section of the DMV test, is now correcting his mother and I whenever he sees us make a mistake in the car or on a bike. I'm particularly pleased with how he is applying SIPDE (Scan, Identify, Predict, Decide, Execute) as passenger in the car. I take this as a very positive sign. I think he's going to be as safe a biker as any teen can be. It was a good investment of both time and money. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jeroen van Vuure" To: "PC800 owners club" Subject: PC800: PC800 & ST1100 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:36:54 +0100 Hi all Just out of curiosity. What does PC800 cost and what does a ST1100 cost in the US. Jeroen van Vuure Hoorn, Holland vuure@dds.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:51:46 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: "PC800 owners club" Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 & ST1100 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 04:42:05 -0500 Jeroen, >From an ad in Cycle Trader for a Honda Dealer in Tampa,Florida (1-800-237-3599), I quote the following prices: 1998 Honda Pacific Coast list price $8699 now $7499 1998 Honda ST1100 list price $11,799 now $10,199 (non ABS ?) Prices do not include 6% sales tax and tag. Probably could beat them down in price a little more. Vince in Foprt Myers,FL ---------- > > Just out of curiosity. What does PC800 cost and what does a ST1100 cost in > the US. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:48:48 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mike Whited" To: "Jim Randall" , "'PC800 List'" Subject: Re: PC800: gas mileage, Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 06:39:09 -0500 I've gotten as high as 200 mpg and I've also ran out at 138 mpg. it's all riding conditions. I ride with a buddy on an ST and at times I would REALY like a 7 gallon tank.Especially when I was trying to get from Dawson City Y.T.to Skagway AK. It was late and I didn't know when stations closed up. ---------- > From: Jim Randall > To: 'PC800 List' > Subject: RE: PC800: gas mileage, > Date: Sunday, November 02, 1997 8:00 PM > > This thread has been thoroughly discussed previously so I won't belabor > the point; BUT, I never get concerned about fuel before 150 miles. I've gone > 180 on several occasions and rarely put in more than 3.5 gallons. Since my > wife's bike has less range than the PC, we usually stop for gas around > 150 miles anyhow. > > Jim Randall > jrandall@tricon.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Francois Saint Laurent [SMTP:fsl@borgconsulting.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 1997 9:57 PM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: PC800: gas mileage, > > >In a message dated 97-10-30 20:45:33 EST, someone wrote: > > > ><< As far as mile per tank, The PC has a gauge, but no reserve. I've > > gone 140, and calculated a possible 160. I never ran it dry, so I'm > > not sure. A larger tank would be nice, but really that's the only > > thing I'd do different on the PC if I were Honda. >> > > > > I regularly travel 140-150 in combined city/highway, and over 180 when > driving only on the highway when travelling somewhere. I know that the > members of this list have a wide variance of mpg figures. There are so many > variables to consider (load weight, age and mileage of bike, wind, ambient > temps, octane ratings, different shields, etc.) that it is impossible to > know what any particluar bike will get until you actually do it. But the > rule of thumb seems to be that it's time to look for gas at 120, and get it > before 140, or you may be walking. > > fsl > > (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) > > Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 > Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda > > HSTA Member Number 7470 > > (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com by mrin47.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id GAA10986; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 06:57:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 06:57:01 -0500 (EST) To: Jfmoemd@aol.com, mashaw@mindspring.com, PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800:soft luggage In a message dated 97-11-02 10:31:22 EST, Jfmoemd writes: << I contacted RKA also, and I think the bags for the ST1100 are probably not big enough to fill the space in "our" trunks. I decided not to get 'em for that reason. Perhaps it would be good to take some measurements of the trunk and see how they compare to the ST1100 bags. >> I use them and they fit fine. They are really quite large and I don't see how they would fit in an ST1100 ! Regards, <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 08:36:06 -0800 From: Bob Anundson To: PC List Subject: PC800: Considering purchasing a PC Hi, I'm new to the list and considering the purchase of a PC800, used '94. I assume that most subscribers are supporters but every brand and model has some aspects that are less than perfect. I'd like to know what I would be getting into if I did purchase this bike. I was hit my a car while on my BMW K75. I liked that bike a lot. I put 42,000 miles on it in three years all touring or recreational. However I can't seem to find a K that is the same or less than the settlement and in the condition I want. I can't afford more. I test rode the PC and it seemed to have a lot of bottom end and the vibrations weren't annoying. It does weight more (100+lbs) but again it appeared that it carries it well. I know that I will have to put up with "Vespa on Steriods" jokes and the like, but that ok. I don't ride for an image and besides at least it does have some uniquiness.. Again I'd like to know what to look out for. Regards, Bob -- Bob Anundson Abiqua Productions (503) 692 2841 8768 SW Iroquois Dr fax: 692 7906 Tualatin, OR 97062 boba@teleport.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 11:46:19 -0500 From: Jason To: Mike Whited CC: Jim Randall , "'PC800 List'" Subject: Re: PC800: gas mileage, Holy Cow!! 200 MPG?!?! That's a 900 mile range!! WOW! :) And to think I only get about 54MPG. I know what you mean about wanting a larger tank. Before buying the PC I mentioned that I intended on taking many 300 mile trips and was chided with statements indicating that this wasn't much. What the people didn't realize (probably because I wasn't clear in my post) was that I meant 300 miles before stopping and between gas stations. Jason Grant 94 PC Mike Whited wrote: > I've gotten as high as 200 mpg and I've also ran out at 138 mpg. it's > all > riding conditions. I ride with a buddy on an ST and at times I would > REALY > like a 7 gallon tank.Especially when I was trying to get from Dawson > City > Y.T.to Skagway AK. It was late and I didn't know when stations closed > up. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:17:13 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 11:16:36 -0800 From: "Gregg L. DesElms" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: RE: Radar Detector Myths Debunked After my last posting on this subject, a response was posted on the list which I read and then deleted because I thought I would just leave it alone. (No anger or anything. I just thought there wasn't much more to be said about it.) But I've since decided to make just one more reply or addition or whatever you want to call it... Because I deleted the response to my last message so fast, I don't know who the sender was, but that's not really important. The gist of his (or her) message was that despite what I said in my previos posting, the reality of radar detectors interfering with each other is well known and that my response was fairly typical of the "laboratory types" who say it can't happen even though it does. There was a reference to the fact that bees aren't supposed to be able to fly, yet they do. My response: Okay, I understand what you're saying. It's valid, but I'm sorry to say, not sound. I'm not saying that the responder has not experienced what appeared to be one detector interfering with another. And, in fact, a some not insignificant percentage of the time, that may have been precisely what it was. I think my previous posting acknowledged that it was possible and that I had no doubt that it did, in fact, happen occasionally. But my experience with things like this is that when they are put to a *REAL* test -- under reasonably scientific conditions -- such myths as these tend to fall apart fairly quickly. I'm betting that we could take 100 randomly-selected radar detectors out onto any interstate highway (or two lane highway... take your pick) near any urban or semi-rural area and we could put them two-at-a-time each into two cars and run them past one another all day long and we would not get reproducible (and the operative word here is "reproducible") examples of detector-to-detector interference... oh, I'm guessing... not even three percent of the time. Probably less. Oh, sure, on many of the passes, I'm guessing a detector would go off and one could say, "See, that detector interfered with this one!" But then if you put the cars back to their starting points and did it again and made sure they passed the second time at precisely the same spot and at precisely the same speed, it wouldn't happen again. Or maybe it would happen the third, but not the fourth through ninth times, but again on the 10th, 23rd and 47th times. I say again, and I promise for the last time (unless someone challenges it again and makes me repeat it), do not underestimate the reflectability of radar waves. In fact, that radar even works presumes and relies upon its phenomenal properties of reflectability. Radar signals scatter like you wouldn't believe. Radar detectors are forever picking-up little snippets of radar signals from radar guns that are sometimes many miles away. Often this happens at the precise moment that one car is passing another. Many people's logic (many very SMART people, I might add) sometimes leads them to think, "Hmmmm... that passing car's radar detector must have caused mine to go off." But passing cars make terrific reflectors. To wit: Just last night I was sitting at a stop light, listening to a strong Tampa, FL FM radio station. But with nearly every car that drove through the intersection from the left, and which turned left into my lane in front of me, the Tampa signal was momentarily interrupted by another station's signal from Orlando -- over two hours from here. I instantly recognized that the Orlando signal (obviously a station on the same frequency as the Tampa station to which I was listening, but which was sufficiently far away that the FCC okayed it) was bouncing off the passing cars and being reflected to my car antenna at precisely the right angle that I was picking it up -- and very clearly, I might add. As soon as a car finished passing through the intersection, the Orlando signal stopped and the Tampa signal returned. As an experiment, I let my foot off the brake and allowed the car to roll forward only six inches. Nine more cars passed through the intersection after that, but not one caused me to receive the Orlando station any more. I was no longer at precisely the right angle from the passing cars to receive the distant signal. Of course this radio signal was in the FM band -- literally millions of cycles per second lower than a radar signal and, therefore, even less likely than radar to be subject to such reflectivity. That's why it happens so comparatively rarely. Still, in the course of one's life, one has such experiences as this many times. I'm sure everyone has, as a child, listened late at night to a clear-channel AM station over a thousand miles away, it's signal being bounced off the atmosphere. CB and HAM radio operators call this skip. The wavelength of such signals as these can be measured in feet. And still, against the odds, they are subject to principles of reflectivity in such a way that one can receive them far beyond the FCC's intended geographical limits because of momentary natural or man-made conditions. A radar signal's wavelenth is many times higher than an FM signal and is measured in millimeters. It is literally THOUSANDS of times more likely than an FM signal to be reflected wildly and over terrific distances, in odd or unexpected ways. And, because of this, and because of the pure proliferation of police radar guns in recent years, it happens thousands of times more often than it happens with a simple FM signal -- often at precisely the moment that one car with (or even without) a radar detector is passing your car and *your* radar detector, and occasionally setting it off at that precise moment. Most of the time, it wasn't because those passing cars had radar detectors which interfered with yours, but rather because some surface on the passing car was momentarily at precisely the right angle to reflect a scattered signal from a distant radar gun directly at your radar detector. That radar gun could be up ahead, to the side, behind you, close-by or many, many miles away (actually, fairly close-by is more likely). It can sometimes not even be radar at all. It can be terrestrial microwave signals, normally way out of the radar band and, therefore, not normally detectable by radar detectors, but which intersect at a nodal line and momentarily "beat against" one another in a way that is misinterpreted by your radar detector as police radar as you pass through that particular point on the earth, even though no police radar gun is anywhere within 50 miles. Of course, this sort of thing moves into the realm of anomaly. Believe what you will, but I'm telling you: If you test it scientifically, in a controlled environment, the myth of one radar detector interfering with another will begin to fall apart. I'm not saying it never happens. I'm just saying it's not common by any means. In fact, if one performed the experiments correctly, one would realize that it happens extremely rarely. Extremely! That many believe radar detectors interfere with each other is not in dispute. Many people believe that that is what's happening, therefore, for them, the problem is "well known." But it is a largely incorrect assumption based on anecdotal evidence, coincidental, incorrect and unscientific observations, and general hearsay. It is largely myth. Gregg L. DesElms deselms@royal.net '89 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 11:57:08 -0500 From: Jason To: boba@teleport.com CC: PC List Subject: Re: PC800: Considering purchasing a PC Howdy. I picked up a 94 earlier this year and love it. I've ridden it in many types of weather and road conditions/pavement types and I find it to be incredibly stable. Hopping on my fathers CB-750 I do notice the weight difference, but I wouldn't be willing to trade any features for it. There are no real "red flags" that come to mind. There was really only one design issue and it was corrected after the first model year (1989). The scooter on steroids thing really doesn't happen much. I've only had one or two people have anything negative to say about it. It definitely is unique, frequently turns heads and gets compliments. Mine has the insignia removed and more than once it was assumed that it was a BMW product. And, of course, since you're looking at a 94 you will be happy to know that it is completely agreed upon to be the best color. :) Should you have any other questions, feel free to ask, either on the list or through direct E-mail. Jason crazyapple@ibm.net 94 PC and loving it. Bob Anundson wrote: > Hi, > > I'm new to the list and considering the purchase of a PC800, used '94. > I > assume that most subscribers are supporters but every brand and model > has some aspects that are less than perfect. I'd like to know what I > would be getting into if I did purchase this bike. > > I was hit my a car while on my BMW K75. I liked that bike a lot. I > put > 42,000 miles on it in three years all touring or recreational. However > I > can't seem to find a K that is the same or less than the settlement > and > in the condition I want. I can't afford more. > > I test rode the PC and it seemed to have a lot of bottom end and the > vibrations weren't annoying. It does weight more (100+lbs) but again > it > appeared that it carries it well. > > I know that I will have to put up with "Vespa on Steriods" jokes and > the like, but that ok. I don't ride for an image and besides at least > it > does have some uniquiness.. > > Again I'd like to know what to look out for. > > Regards, > Bob > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 08:55:31 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Garbacik To: Timothy B Macy Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Goin' Loopy On Sun, 2 Nov 1997, Timothy B Macy wrote: > a very enjoyable time and chatted with them for about an hour. As you may > recall, Tom is the proud possessor of a very cherry '90 PC that he picked > up earlier this year (for next to nothing!) and when I say "cherry" I > mean it! The bike is in spectacular shape; a lot cleaner than pore ole > Stealth, that's for sure. Tim, Tim, Tim . . . Pure white, virginal, wraithful, ghost like . . . . '89! Tom '89 - Moonbeam -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Spain, Harrison" To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Cc: "'ka2wij@earthlink.net'" Subject: RE: PC800: Trip Report (a black and white 2 scoop saturday) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:30:27 -0800 Nice report Alan! :-) Very enjoyable read (and I was there!) :-). I got the Vista Cruise installed (I used two holes on either side of the trimmed down tab and a small tie wrap to lock down the device) :-). The throttle still does not rotate free so any advice on moving a grip out a bit would be appreciated! Harrison -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:56:21 PT From: "PETER NOETH, SR. SYSTEMS ENGINEER, SFO DEV. X5567" Subject: Re: PC800: In Search of PC800 manuals To: Jfmoemd@aol.com Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu /FONT=Courier-Bold/LINES=66/LEFT_MARGIN=36/CALCULATE/TOP_MARGIN=36/BOTTOM_MARGIN=36 John, I can't help with the address, but I finally got my manual (ordered from Honda of Milpitas, CA) after nearly 2 months. And that was expedited by the parts guy calling the factory direct and complaining, wherein the factory sent one to Honda of Milpitas for me!! Apparently Helm Publishing is also producing all of the GM, and Honda auto manuals. The Honda Motorcycle stuff is way down on their priority. Regards, Peter ---------------- SEPERATOR --------------------- Hi Gang! I have been told that the printing (reprinting) of the PC Service Manual and the Owner's Guide have been farmed out by Honda to Helm Publishing somewhere in California. If someone has an address I'd like to write 'em and see what the holdup is. I have been waiting now for three months (as have many of you I'm sure) and still no manuals. Does anyone have the address of Helm? John -- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:07:44 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: PC800: RE: Radar Detector Myths Debunked Gregg DesElms wrote: >That many believe radar detectors interfere with each other is not in >dispute. Many people believe that that is what's happening, therefore, >for them, the problem is "well known." But it is a largely incorrect >assumption based on anecdotal evidence, coincidental, incorrect and >unscientific observations, and general hearsay. It is largely myth. > Really?....Hmm..Then why do car magazines such as Motor Trend and Car & Driver test radar detectors, and have a category specifically targeted at testing how sensitive any certain radar detector is to other radar detectors? Have a look at some of the back issues of those magazines. They both have tested, on more than one occasion, the latest batch of radar detectors on the market. In their tests, usually conducted on an enclosed track, they would actually measure the distance between two radar detectors at the point where one would 'set off' the other one. Based on each units sensitivity to the competitors units, they would tabulate the results and provide a histogram. I'm not an expert on radar detectors in any way, but I wonder how these automotive experts could repeatedly test radar detectors and consistently prove interference between various makes and models of detectors when "In fact, if one performed the experiments correctly, one would realize that it happens extremely rarely. Extremely! " Sure makes me wonder who's right. Are there any members of this list who *are* experts on this topic, and can shed some light on this? fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com by emout30.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA25159 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:07:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:07:01 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Considering purchasing a PC Hi, Bob, and welcome: You are right. The PC isn't perfect, but it is the best I've owned in 40+ years of owning and riding motorcycles. Actually, it compares favorably to the K75, being similar in performance and perhaps a bit better in the handling department. As a commuter and sport tourer (with a definite bias toward the touring side of that concept, of course), I don't think there is any other machine that combines comfort, convenience, handling, and economy into a better package. If you point your browser to the web page (the url is at the bottom of every list message), there is a search engine that will help you explore the list's archives for specific topics. Things to watch for in a used one include: Melting of the plastic in and around the instrument panel and hood, especially if the bike has or has had the optional tall Hondaline wind screen. That screen acts as a lens when the sun is at certain rear aspects and focuses the light into a fine beam that melts holes and "tracks" in the plastic. If it's an '89, many of them (including mine and several others on the list) have had problems with the stator shorting out at something like 30 kmiles on the odometer. If the stator has been replaced once, it is probably good to go. Later models don't seem to have this problem, although a few have reported voltage regulator failures. Neither is the end of the world, although the parts are expensive little devils (being a Beemer veteran, you know all about that, right?). The stator can be rebuilt at a substantially lower cost than for a new one. The mirror housings and "crash bar" covers seem to take most of the abuse during low-speed tip overs. The mirror housings also like to brush up against garage walls, work benches and the like. So, you should check for paint scuffs on these items and for cracks in the mirror housings. Some have reported problems with fuel odors due to weeping fuel valves, but this is not a universal complaint. Like many modern bikes, the PC exhibits a front-end wobble if you release the handlebar when decelerating, usually while you are in the 45 to 35 mph range. Some have experience temporary improvement in this when they mount new tires, but the symptom usually returns. The ultimate solution: don't take both hands off the grips when you are decelerating between 45 and 35 mph. Other than that, I can't think of anything that is characteristically a problem. How about it guys and gals? Did I forget anything important? Most of us just put gas and oil in the beast and ride it. We also tend to smile a lot when doing so. I hope you can experience that feeling soon. Take care, JT Take -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 12:35:30 -0800 From: Alan Taylor To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Considering purchasing a PC JTSMCRIDER@aol.com wrote: > Hi, Bob, and welcome: > > > Other than that, I can't think of anything that is characteristically a > problem. How about it guys and gals? Did I forget anything important? There was a problem with the rear tire rubbing against the trunk in 89's,and the fuel valve problem seemed to be related to the use of premium gas. 89 octane mid range users didn't seem to have the problem. Although the PC was designed for a radio, Honda discontinued it, and they're almost impossible to find. If the handlebars aren't comfortably positioned for you, you're stuck. There isno adjustment because of the plastic housing, and as yet, no after market replacement. there is lots of discussion on these and topics like tires (the stock dunlop k555's tend to be swapped out quickly for k177's or Metzelers) windshields, seats, and progressive springs in the archives. Alan Taylor 95 PC 800 "Midnight" Long Beach, CA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 18:16:02 -0500 From: Hal MacDonald To: Francois Saint Laurent CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: RE: Radar Detector Myths Francois Saint Laurent wrote: > > Gregg DesElms wrote: > > >That many believe radar detectors interfere with each other is not in > >dispute. Many people believe that that is what's happening, therefore, > >for them, the problem is "well known." But it is a largely incorrect > >assumption based on anecdotal evidence, coincidental, incorrect and > >unscientific observations, and general hearsay. It is largely myth. > > > > Really?....Hmm..Then why do car magazines such as Motor Trend and Car & > Driver test radar detectors, and have a category specifically targeted at > testing how sensitive any certain radar detector is Hi Francois and all; Just to throw another curve into this thread, there is a "detector" advertised that when activated by radar, sends out two signals that cause the reading unit on the police end to read 10 then 300 then 10 then 300 MPH. The switch back and forth is rapid. It says in the advertisements for it that it is not a "detector" and that because it only advises you that it has sent out the two signals, it is legal in all states. I have only seen one ad for this and don't have it in front of me. The 10 & 300 MPH numbers were for example only. I think it sells for about $200. US. I will try to find the ad again if anyone is interested. Hal MacDonald HSTA STOC HRCA MMIC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 14:23:13 -0900 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC800: Radar Detector Myths At 18:16 11/3/97 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Francois and all; > >Just to throw another curve into this thread, there is a "detector" >advertised that when activated by radar, sends out two signals that >cause the reading unit on the police end to read 10 then 300 then 10 >then 300 MPH. The switch back and forth is rapid. It says in the >advertisements for it that it is not a "detector" and that because it >only advises you that it has sent out the two signals, it is legal in >all states. This sure sounds like a jammer to me, and if it is actively transmitting (as previously defined by Gregg) it is probably illegal. Am I wrong? Juan "We few, we happy few, we band of PC Riders" -- With apologies to William Shakespeare --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '91 Suzuki VX800 University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: LRaeMiller Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:27:24 EST To: ka2wij@earthlink.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Considering purchasing a PC In a message dated 97-11-03 15:37:57 EST, you write: << If the handlebars aren't comfortably positioned for you, you're stuck. >> I haven't had time to ride any distance since we tried the handlebar "fix" that was suggested to me by a member of the list - so I can't say for sure that this will be a long term solution to the tendonitis in my shoulder. We ordered 2 extras of the piece that bolts over the handlebars and attaches them to the tree and placed the new pieces under the handlebar and got longer bolts to put the thing back together. It gives me about an inch of rise (which also brings it a bit closer to the rider) and enables me to turn the bars down more without the plastic rubbing problem. We reassembled the whole thing and only had one small complication - the key would not reach the ignition. So we used a small hole saw on the drill and increased the plastic hole enough to get the key head through it. I keep a key ring on it and I can turn the bike on with that - a small inconvenience compared to not riding due to shoulder pain!!! We haven't experienced any problems with wires or cables, as there seems to be enough extra there. I am looking forward to riding some distance so I can tell how much difference it makes, but I am able to sit much more upright now. Lynda 89 PC - 37,000 mi. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/971030) via SMTP id VAA12421 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:56:50 -0500 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: RE: PC800: Considering purchasing a PC Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:44:17 -0500 Bob, I don't have any first hand experience with the K75 but I've owned a '95 PC since June. I've accumlated just under 10K miles since then and have never regretted purchasing it. IMHO, the PC is hard to beat as a moderate cost sport tourer. It is, as you say somewhat unique, and you'll find people either think it's beautiful or are pretty much turned off by it. There doesn't seem to be much middle ground. The PC is full of compromises but the end result is very pleasing. It is a bike that does everything reasonbly well but excels in nothing (other than perhaps value). It won't perform like a true sport bike, tour with the comfort of a Gold Wing or turn heads like a Harley. On the other hand you can ride it more (much more) than 200 miles at a time, you won't get a hernia pushing it around in your garage and your extremities won't be tingling from vibration when you get off. If indeed image is not an issue, I believe you, like me, will really appreciate the machine. And BTW, congratulations on picking the best looking PC, EVERYONE on the list agrees the black ones are best :-) Just you wait, they'll all support me on this particular statement! Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bob Anundson [SMTP:boba@teleport.com] Sent: Monday, November 03, 1997 11:36 AM To: PC List Subject: PC800: Considering purchasing a PC Hi, I'm new to the list and considering the purchase of a PC800, used '94. I assume that most subscribers are supporters but every brand and model has some aspects that are less than perfect. I'd like to know what I would be getting into if I did purchase this bike. I was hit my a car while on my BMW K75. I liked that bike a lot. I put 42,000 miles on it in three years all touring or recreational. However I can't seem to find a K that is the same or less than the settlement and in the condition I want. I can't afford more. I test rode the PC and it seemed to have a lot of bottom end and the vibrations weren't annoying. It does weight more (100+lbs) but again it appeared that it carries it well. I know that I will have to put up with "Vespa on Steriods" jokes and the like, but that ok. I don't ride for an image and besides at least it does have some uniquiness.. Again I'd like to know what to look out for. Regards, Bob -- Bob Anundson Abiqua Productions (503) 692 2841 8768 SW Iroquois Dr fax: 692 7906 Tualatin, OR 97062 boba@teleport.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:21:27 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: RE: PC800: Considering purchasing a PC Hello Bob. I just read Jim Randall's message, and I agree with him fully. It's true that the PC800 doesn't excel at any one particular task (acceleration, braking, handling, mileage,etc.) , but it does excel at being an all-around bike. You can drive across the country, or you can take it for a good rip down some twisty canyon road, or you can go to the local market and buy some groceries, but unlike most bikes, with the PC800 you can actually bring those groceries home! The best way that I can think of expressing how I feel about the PC800 is this: The K75 is a great bike to ride. The PC800 is a great bike to own. I've had mine since March, and I like it more every day. Jim also said : >And BTW, congratulations on picking the best looking PC, EVERYONE on the >list agrees the black ones are best :-) Just you wait, they'll all support >me on >this particular statement! He's right! I'll support him on this!! My PC800 is a 95, which is the only other year they made this bike in the 'perfect' color. By saying this openly on this list, I know I am going to get a whole bunch of Emails from the other list members who can be categorized into two groups. Those that know black is the best color, and those that don't know yet, because they 'got stuck' with one of the other colors!!!!!! All right everyone....get those 'flaming' ideas out of your heads!!!!! It was just a good natured joke!!!! But seriously Bob, I am pretty confident that you will really enjoy the ownership experience of a PC800. Good luck, and I hope you get it soon! fsl :-) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id XnU05879; Mon, 03 Nov 1997 23:01:49 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:01:07 -0800 Subject: PC800: Oops! From: timmacy@juno.com (Timothy B Macy) In my Goin' Loopy chat, I made a major mistake, for which I have severely chastised myself (and also corrected by Tom Garbacik!). He has a beautiful and cherry '89, NOT a '90! I wrote it late last night, and tonight when I downloaded my mail it was the first story. I quickly scanned it, and boy did that '90 jump out at me. That'll teach me not to proofread... Tim -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:09:45 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Oops! Tim Macy wrote: >In my Goin' Loopy chat, I made a major mistake, for which I have severely >chastised myself (and also corrected by Tom Garbacik!). He has a >beautiful and cherry '89, NOT a '90! > >I wrote it late last night, and tonight when I downloaded my mail it was >the first story. I quickly scanned it, and boy did that '90 jump out at >me. That'll teach me not to proofread... > >Tim Come on Tim! You know better! Ewe shud awlwees proffread yur messageez be4 u send thim. fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Posted-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:55:29 -0800 (PST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Johan Lai To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: PC800: SCPCRC moved Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:59:16 -0800 Hi All! Our web site moved to a new location for more space. If you have links to us, please update to: http://www.hypermart.net/scpcrc Thanks! While you're there, check out this sign that Alan saw last weekend http://www.hypermart.net/scpcrc/9711/pchbike2.jpg No....it's not a real sign. I took one of Gerard's pics and graphed it on a road sign :) I hope Gerard doesn't mind a little copyright infringement for a good laugh! Cheers, Johan Lai '89 "Cassandra" Orange, CA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JBLAV@aol.com by emout35.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id CAA08190; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 02:09:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 02:09:00 -0500 (EST) To: fsl@borgconsulting.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: RE: Radar Detector Hey Folks, We can go round and around all day with this detector debate. They do detect radar signals. The question is how well. Can they provide 100% immunity? What most people dont understand is that the police officer will first make a speed estimation of the violators vehicle, and then activate the radar unit to confirm it. The violator has already been picked out and targeted. The radar if used properly can be activated for only a second or two.The radar unit has an on off button. In that same time the officer can lock in the violators speed. It might make the detector chirp, as if it was an error. When the officer sees a radar detector on the dash then there is a very high probability that there will be a roadside coupon issued. Lets face it. Its a game. If you buy a detector, ( and there is only one reason to buy one) then your a player. Cat and mouse if you wish. Dont drive excessively over the limit. Keep your money in your pocket, and not in the accounts of some municipality. Food for thought. Jim Key Largo, FL 90PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com by mb10.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-2.0.0) id EAA24560; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 04:29:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 04:29:11 -0500 (EST) To: fsl@borgconsulting.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: RE: Radar Detector Myths Debunked In a message dated 97-11-03 15:08:56 EST, fsl@borgconsulting.com writes: << Really?....Hmm..Then why do car magazines such as Motor Trend and Car & Driver test radar detectors, and have a category specifically targeted at testing how sensitive any certain radar detector is to other radar detectors? Have a look at some of the back issues of those magazines. They both have tested, on more than one occasion, the latest batch of radar detectors on the market. >> Well, because they don't know anything and we don't know anything. You just have to give way to superior intellect -- despite any objective evidence to the contrary ! Regards, <> [purveyor of myths and inaccuracies on radar detectors] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com by mrin45.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id EAA06634; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 04:29:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 04:29:13 -0500 (EST) To: fsl@borgconsulting.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: RE: Radar Detector Myths Debunked In a message dated 97-11-03 15:08:56 EST, fsl@borgconsulting.com writes: << Really?....Hmm..Then why do car magazines such as Motor Trend and Car & Driver test radar detectors, and have a category specifically targeted at testing how sensitive any certain radar detector is to other radar detectors? Have a look at some of the back issues of those magazines. They both have tested, on more than one occasion, the latest batch of radar detectors on the market. >> Well, because they don't know anything and we don't know anything. You just have to give way to superior intellect -- despite any objective evidence to the contrary ! Regards, <> [purveyor of myths and inaccuracies on radar detectors] -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:27:27 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Oops! Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 07:19:16 -0500 Tim, Don't feel bad. All PC owners wished that they had a 1990 model. Vince in Fort Myers,FL ---------- > In my Goin' Loopy chat, I made a major mistake, for which I have severely > chastised myself (and also corrected by Tom Garbacik!). He has a > beautiful and cherry '89, NOT a '90! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:46:27 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 09:46:05 -0800 From: "Gregg L. DesElms" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Radar Detector Myths Debunked Francois Saint Laurent wrote: > > Gregg DesElms wrote: > > > That many believe radar detectors interfere with each other is not in > > dispute. Many people believe that that is what's happening, therefore, > > for them, the problem is "well known." But it is a largely incorrect > > assumption based on anecdotal evidence, coincidental, incorrect and > > unscientific observations, and general hearsay. It is largely myth. > > > > Really?....Hmm..Then why do car magazines such as Motor Trend and Car & > Driver test radar detectors, and have a category specifically targeted at > testing how sensitive any certain radar detector is to other radar > detectors? Have a look at some of the back issues of those magazines. They > both have tested, on more than one occasion, the latest batch of radar > detectors on the market. In their tests, usually conducted on an enclosed > track, they would actually measure the distance between two radar detectors > at the point where one would 'set off' the other one. Based on each units > sensitivity to the competitors units, they would tabulate the results and > provide a histogram. I'm not an expert on radar detectors in any way, but I > wonder how these automotive experts could repeatedly test radar detectors > and consistently prove interference between various makes and models of > detectors when "In fact, if one performed the experiments correctly, one > would realize that it happens extremely rarely. Extremely! " > > Sure makes me wonder who's right. > > Are there any members of this list who *are* experts on this topic, and can > shed some light on this? > You know, one of the most irritating things about newsgroups and e-mail list servers is how people tend to lift just pieces of a person's posts (not bad in itself as long as the part lifted is contextually self-contained), taking them out of context, and then responding to them in isolation. I believe that if you read *everything* I've written on this subject and posted to this list, and take it as a whole, there would appear to be nothing in what you've written above which contradicts it. So what's the problem, here? And, incidentally, what's the intended implication of the question, "Are there any members of this list who *are* experts on this topic?" Precisely what ever gave you the impression that *I* have no expertise on this subject? Or are you just intending to be insulting for the sport of it? The DesElms Consultancy has, for twenty years, engaged in the business of computer and telecommunications consulting. That's two decades of screwing around with various electronic technologies, not the least of which is wireless microwave technology -- just a hop, skip and a jump down the spectrum from radar. And I had a first class FCC license when I was 19. I dunno... After all that, I guess I just thought I was qualified to speak to this issue. Apparently I was wrong. What a terrific disappointment it is that I've failed to instill your confidence in this life. Gregg DesElms deselms@royal.net '89 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:57:40 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 09:57:18 -0800 From: "Gregg L. DesElms" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Radar Mythins (addendum) Oops... The last line of my last posting was grammatically ambiguous. Instead of: "What a terrific disappointment it is that I've failed to instill your confidence in this life." which can be taken in at least two ways, but which, when strictly read, mistakenly implies that somehow I'm responsible for making sure anyone has confidence in life (rather than in *me*, which is what I intended), or that I could, I should have written: "What a terrific disappointment it is that in this life I've failed to instill your confidence." which, when read in the context of that which preceded it, clearly addresses the reader's confidence in "me" rather than in "life," which is more along the lines of what I intended by the sentence. Sorry for the confusion. Gregg DesElms deselms@royal.net '89 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 09:50:35 -0800 From: Alan Taylor To: spain@edsug.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Slip and slide Dear Harrison, We're in kind of a sensitive area here. I learned to always ride in the left or right track to avoid oil slicks, particularly at intersections. I failed my first try at the CA written test, because the CA manual says to ride the center track, because visibility is more important and that the slicks really aren't a problem. I adapted my riding style accordingly, on the belief that they had research to back it up, and knew better than I did. One result of that was my accident 2 years ago, when Andrea's Rebel 450 went right out from under me in a hard stop at about 15 mph. The other was Saturday evening when both wheels took turns breaking traction as I accelerated out of the light at Cherry and Carson in Long Beach. The problem is probably much worse here, where there is a combination of older vehicles and heavy traffic from Boeing. What is most irritating, is that a Long Beach judge denied our claim against the city saying there was no proof of it being a problem. I'm going back to riding in whatever track offers the most space from adjacent vehicles, and changing tracks frequently to make myself more visible. It's easier to see a moving object than a stationary one. Alan -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:02:49 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Radar Detector Myths Debunked Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:53:24 -0500 Enough on the radar detector thread. How about Rain-X, oil, filters, seats, etc? Vince in Fort Myers -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:15:32 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 14:15:13 -0800 From: "Gregg L. DesElms" To: Jfmoemd@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Radar Detector Myths Debunked Jfmoemd@aol.com wrote: > > Oh, come on, Gregg! We all recognize that you are intelligent, experienced, > and that you contribute a lot to our discussions. Don't feel too bad if you > get spammed a little once in a while - it happens to most of us. You needn't > list your curriculum vitae for us - we recognize your worth by reading your > writings. It is just that, like the rest of us poor slobs, you can't be > right 100% of the time. > We can't? Damn! Gregg DesElms deselms@royal.net '89 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jfmoemd@aol.com by emout36.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA10136; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 14:30:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 14:30:01 -0500 (EST) To: vsantamaria@worldnet.att.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Radar Detector Myths Debunked In a message dated 97-11-04 13:30:34 EST, vsantamaria@worldnet.att.net writes: << Enough on the radar detector thread. >> Amen and amen! John -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jfmoemd@aol.com by emout30.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA04439; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:05:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:05:26 -0500 (EST) To: deselms@royal.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Radar Detector Myths Debunked In a message dated 97-11-04 09:46:48 EST, deselms@royal.net writes: <<. After all that, I guess I just thought I was qualified to speak to this issue. Apparently I was wrong. What a terrific disappointment it is that I've failed to instill >> Oh, come on, Gregg! We all recognize that you are intelligent, experienced, and that you contribute a lot to our discussions. Don't feel too bad if you get spammed a little once in a while - it happens to most of us. You needn't list your curriculum vitae for us - we recognize your worth by reading your writings. It is just that, like the rest of us poor slobs, you can't be right 100% of the time. John -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jfmoemd Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:38:03 EST To: ka2wij@earthlink.net, spain@edsug.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Slip and slide In a message dated 97-11-04 14:39:26 EST, ka2wij@earthlink.net writes: << I'm going back to riding in whatever track offers the most space from adjacent vehicles, and changing tracks frequently to make myself more visible. It's easier to see a moving object than a stationary one. >> I'm in full agreement! John -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jfmoemd Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:36:33 EST To: deselms@royal.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Radar Detector Myths Debunked In a message dated 97-11-04 14:15:18 EST, deselms@royal.net writes: << We can't? Damn! >> Yeah, disgusting, ain't it! John -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:34:13 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mike Whited" To: "Vincent Santamaria" , Subject: Re: PC800: Radar Detector Myths Debunked Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:29:13 -0500 How about shocks? Honda wants $433! What a rip! ---------- > From: Vincent Santamaria > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: PC800: Radar Detector Myths Debunked > Date: Tuesday, November 04, 1997 12:53 PM > > Enough on the radar detector thread. How about Rain-X, oil, filters, seats, > etc? Vince in Fort Myers > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id QAA21100 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:46:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:46:43 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Slip and slide Hi, All: In a message dated 97-11-04 14:37:52 EST, Alan writes: << I learned to always ride in the left or right track to avoid oil slicks, particularly at intersections. I failed my first try at the CA written test, because the CA manual says to ride the center track, because visibility is more important and that the slicks really aren't a problem. >> Actually, Alan, you and the CA manual are both right. The key is the phrase, "particularly at intersections." The CA manual and the test question derived from it both assume (and I suspect that the test question fails to stipulate) that you are just riding along in a lane and not about to enter an intersection, toll booth, or the like. Such places can be much slicker than the pavement in the wheel tracks, especially if you factor in a bit of dampness, and such areas should be avoided when possible. But away from such places, factors other than traction typically dominate the lane-position decision, and visibility and space cushion are a couple of biggies. It is also worthy of note that the wheel tracks are not always the best places in terms of traction. They are typically more worn and polished than the surrounding pavement, and that can give them a significantly lower coefficient of friction. Further, if even only slightly rutted, they can accumulate standing water in moderate to heavy rain, and that can result in hydroplaning that would not occur in the center track. I think your ideas of picking a lane position based on currently existing conditions and varying it once in a while just to make yourself more visible are right on target. They're fully consistent with what the MSF teaches and with the intent of what is in those state manuals, most of which are printed from MSF-supplied masters. Take care, JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: fialdj@erols.com Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 18:50:46 -0500 To: motolist@micapeak.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: '84 Venture needing parts. exhaust Help. I have been working on sealing holes in the exhaust of my '84 Venture. I have fixed the rear cylinders blow-by but am now looking for a muffler chamber. The part that everything slides into. I'm not will to pay the high dollar for the new dealer part. Does anyone have any leftover parts for an '83-'85 Yamaha Venture? Has anyone replaced the entire system with a Jardin system? Used part would be okay as long as it doesn't have any rust. Thanks, Dave 1984 Yamaha Venture Royale (wish I was a PC800). -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by thevision.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 00:55:57 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Spencer" To: , , Subject: Re: PC800: RE: Radar Detector Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:56:12 -0800 > From: JBLAV@aol.com > Subject: Re: PC800: RE: Radar Detector > Date: Monday, November 03, 1997 11:09 PM > > What most people dont understand is that the police officer will first make a > speed estimation of the violators vehicle, and then activate the radar unit > to confirm it. The violator has already been picked out and targeted. The > radar if used properly can be activated for only a second or two.The radar > unit has an on off button. I also thought this was the case until I purchased a radar detector. However, I have found more often than not, police officers while traveling on the open road, often have their radar guns angled on a fixed mount and left on. I've 'heard' the faint signal increase until I get within that 'sweet spot' where my detector begins to scream. Also, if an officer is using radar, he isn't just waiting for you. He's also trying it on others, and a good detector can pick up radar signals even miles ahead while they're being used on other victims. Using a radar detector requires some experience and skill. You learn to recognize certain patterns which help you differentiate between radar controlled door openers and other spurious radar versus revenue generating radar. > If you buy a detector, ( and there is only one reason to buy one) Self defense? > Keep your money in your pocket, and not in the accounts of some > municipality. Agreed. Get a good radar detector Spencer -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 17:56:23 -0800 From: Bob Anundson To: PC List , TAHRS Subject: PC800: Bought a PC Well Mr. BMW brought a Honda Pacific Coast. I got a lot of good advice (thanks to everyone) and actually the decision was pretty tough. Just after I settled with the insurance company a beautiful '94 BMW K75 came on the market for $6200 with ABS and only 4,000 miles. It looked absolutely new. One tiny scratch on the rear. The ironic thing is the seller was the State Farm claims attorney in the very office I settled. The problem. is that I am starting a new business and am mentally not up to spending out of pocket money. I got $5570 and my Russell seat (which I now need to sell). When I bought my K I had looked long and hard at buying a PC at the same time. Even then the PC was less expensive. But I love technology and the BMW has it in spades. Anyway I was able to settle on a price of $5,100 for a '94 PC with less than 5,500.miles. That's about $200 over book and this bike does have two scratches so its not a great deal. However my estimate is that it would have been $900 more to get the K and that a lot of money to me right now. Had they not gone to $5100 I would have bid $6000 for the K and if accepted the decision would have been reversed. Had I been in a position to spend significantly more money I would have gone for one of the BMW R1100s. Some day. Enough of that. The twenty mile ride home reinforced my decision. I really like it. It doesn't have the ultimate acceleration of the K75 but it has more useful low end acceleration. The K power didn't really cut in until about 5,500rpm. Shifting is a delight but I doubt that the box is a durable as the BMW and a wet clutch is more manageable but again has its longevity draw backs. The PC is still too new to me to know anything about the handling other than I felt very comfortable in the corners every bit as good as with the BMW. I suspect that both bike are about equal in this area. I miss the clock and the gear indicator but a gas gauge is nice. I suspect I'll miss the extra gallon of gas as well but it appears that folks get a little better mileage with the PC so maybe the range isn't that much difference. Regular gas is nice. Anyway it looks like it was a choice amongest to good bikes so I don't think I could have lost. Thanks for all the input and advice. -- Bob Anundson Abiqua Productions (503) 692 2841 8768 SW Iroquois Dr fax: 692 7906 Tualatin, OR 97062 boba@teleport.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 19:35:55 -0800 From: Bob Anundson To: PC List Subject: Re: PC800: Bought a PC Steve Gross wrote: > Welcome, Bob! I'm sure that once you get used to it, you'll never > regret > it! > > As for gearbox longevity, I've _never_ heard of anyone having a > problem with > it. I've put over 40k on mine, for a total of 55k, and done almost > nothing > but change fluids, spark plugs, and tires. > > For more agressive riding, put Metzlers on. Don't last as long as the > > Dunlops, tho. Those that do a lot of highway touring seem to like the > > K177s. I'd recommend Progressive Springs for the front, and a Corbin > saddle > for your rear. Thanks Steve. I guess I should explain about the transmission comment. BMW K engines and transmission last a very long time. I saw one in Durango with 450K miles that had not been repair for engine or transmission. On the other hand mine had a problem in 40K. A retaining screw worked loose. Fortunately it was covered under warranty. I'm sure the PC transmission will last as long as I need it to and it is a hell of alot easier to shift in the mean time. Same goes for the clutch. It,s a design trade offs and not meant as a criticism. The K sure changed my mind on the other hand about why automobiles can't last for 500k miles. Nicsil technology is not expensive and last forever. -- Bob Anundson Abiqua Productions (503) 692 2841 8768 SW Iroquois Dr fax: 692 7906 Tualatin, OR 97062 boba@teleport.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 22:02:54 -0800 From: Gary Bonds To: boba@teleport.com CC: PC List , TAHRS Subject: PC800: Re: Bought a PC Bob Anundson wrote: > > Well Mr. BMW brought a Honda Pacific Coast. ######################Gary Replies:################### I'm biting my tongue in effort not to make a smartass comment to the guy who has had so much to say about the virtues of naked bikes. Now we'll just call you "Mister Plastic". I think Gails Hondette must have done something to your head. Just kidding of course. The real bottom line is that I'm glad you're back on two wheels. Someone once told me that it dosen't matter that BMW's are ugly because we don't look down. I suspect that that particular part of your BMW experience is going to come in real handy henceforth. I'm anxious to see your new scooter. Gary > -- > Bob Anundson Abiqua Productions > (503) 692 2841 8768 SW Iroquois Dr > fax: 692 7906 Tualatin, OR 97062 > boba@teleport.com -- __________________________________________________________ Gary Bonds, Northwest Computer Learning Center Home: (503) 623 3150__ Office: (503) 362 4818 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 07:58:31 -0500 From: Roger Prince To: Mike Whited Cc: Vincent Santamaria , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Radar Detector Myths Debunked Works Performance @$279+ship. 818 701-1010 They works good. Roger Mike Whited wrote: > > How about shocks? Honda wants $433! What a rip! > > ---------- > > From: Vincent Santamaria > > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > > Subject: Re: PC800: Radar Detector Myths Debunked > > Date: Tuesday, November 04, 1997 12:53 PM > > > > Enough on the radar detector thread. How about Rain-X, oil, filters, > seats, > > etc? Vince in Fort Myers > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA10392; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:51:25 -0600 (CST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 08:09:00 -0800 From: Mark Gensman To: boba@teleport.com CC: PC List , TAHRS Subject: PC800: Re: Bought a PC Bob Anundson wrote: > > Well Mr. BMW brought a Honda Pacific Coast. I got a lot of good advice > (thanks to everyone) and actually the decision was pretty tough. Just > after I settled with the insurance company a beautiful '94 BMW K75 came > on the market for $6200 with ABS and only 4,000 miles. It looked > absolutely new. One tiny scratch on the rear. The ironic thing is the > seller was the State Farm claims attorney in the very office I settled. > The problem. is that I am starting a new business and am mentally not up > to spending out of pocket money. I got $5570 and my Russell seat (which > I now need to sell). > > When I bought my K I had looked long and hard at buying a PC at the same > time. Even then the PC was less expensive. But I love technology and the > BMW has it in spades. > > Anyway I was able to settle on a price of $5,100 for a '94 PC with less > than 5,500.miles. That's about $200 over book and this bike does have > two scratches so its not a great deal. However my estimate is that it > would have been $900 more to get the K and that a lot of money to me > right now. Had they not gone to $5100 I would have bid $6000 for the K > and if accepted the decision would have been reversed. > > Had I been in a position to spend significantly more money I would have > gone for one of the BMW R1100s. Some day. > > Enough of that. The twenty mile ride home reinforced my decision. I > really like it. It doesn't have the ultimate acceleration of the K75 but > it has more useful low end acceleration. The K power didn't really cut > in until about 5,500rpm. Shifting is a delight but I doubt that the box > is a durable as the BMW and a wet clutch is more manageable but again > has its longevity draw backs. The PC is still too new to me to know > anything about the handling other than I felt very comfortable in the > corners every bit as good as with the BMW. I suspect that both bike are > about equal in this area. > > I miss the clock and the gear indicator but a gas gauge is nice. I > suspect I'll miss the extra gallon of gas as well but it appears that > folks get a little better mileage with the PC so maybe the range isn't > that much difference. Regular gas is nice. > > Anyway it looks like it was a choice amongest to good bikes so I don't > think I could have lost. > > Thanks for all the input and advice. > > -- > Bob Anundson Abiqua Productions > (503) 692 2841 8768 SW Iroquois Dr > fax: 692 7906 Tualatin, OR 97062 > boba@teleport.com Hey Bob, will your Russell fit my 95 K1100LT? If it will, I'll buy it from you. Page me at 299-8834 and I'll call you. Thanks..I'm starting a seat collection. -- Mark Gensman Mgensman@ix.netcom.com 95 K1100LT "You're never too old to rock and roll" K-Whiner #51 "The Green Hornet" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 07:32:46 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Nicholas To: Gary Bonds cc: boba@teleport.com, PC List , TAHRS Subject: PC800: Re: Bought a PC On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Gary Bonds wrote: > Bob Anundson wrote: > > > > Well Mr. BMW brought a Honda Pacific Coast. > ######################Gary Replies:################### > > I'm biting my tongue in effort not to make a smartass comment to the guy > who has had so much to say about the virtues of naked bikes. Now we'll > just call you "Mister Plastic". I think Gails Hondette must have done > something to your head. I concur! Congratulations Bob, but the first thing I thought of was that the PC is definately _not_ nekkid. I hope you enjoy it as much as your K75. > I'm anxious to see your new scooter. Me too, what color is it? Tom. =========================================================================== Tom Nicholas - Vancouver, USA Systematic Designs International Inc. - Systems for Factory Automation -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by thevision.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 16:07:38 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Spencer" To: , "PC List" , "TAHRS" Subject: Re: PC800: Bought a PC Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:07:07 -0800 Dear Bob, You'll probably find in the long run you'll also be happier with the PC. I too debated between getting a PC and a K75 about four years ago. I got the PC. I ride with several different Beemer folks....K1100LT, K75, R1100RT etc. Without exception, they have all had mechanical problems and subsequent repair bills....one of them over $3,000. The maintenance bills are also expensive. My PC has never had to go to the shop in these four years and 30K+ miles. I'm not a mechanic, but I've been able to do all the servicing myself. Enjoy the smooth ride, Spencer ---------- > From: Bob Anundson > To: PC List ; TAHRS > Subject: PC800: Bought a PC > Date: Tuesday, November 04, 1997 5:56 PM > > Well Mr. BMW brought a Honda Pacific Coast. I got a lot of good advice > (thanks to everyone) and actually the decision was pretty tough. Just > after I settled with the insurance company a beautiful '94 BMW K75 came > on the market for $6200 with ABS and only 4,000 miles. It looked > absolutely new. One tiny scratch on the rear. The ironic thing is the > seller was the State Farm claims attorney in the very office I settled. > The problem. is that I am starting a new business and am mentally not up > to spending out of pocket money. I got $5570 and my Russell seat (which > I now need to sell). > > When I bought my K I had looked long and hard at buying a PC at the same > time. Even then the PC was less expensive. But I love technology and the > BMW has it in spades. > > Anyway I was able to settle on a price of $5,100 for a '94 PC with less > than 5,500.miles. That's about $200 over book and this bike does have > two scratches so its not a great deal. However my estimate is that it > would have been $900 more to get the K and that a lot of money to me > right now. Had they not gone to $5100 I would have bid $6000 for the K > and if accepted the decision would have been reversed. > > Had I been in a position to spend significantly more money I would have > gone for one of the BMW R1100s. Some day. > > Enough of that. The twenty mile ride home reinforced my decision. I > really like it. It doesn't have the ultimate acceleration of the K75 but > it has more useful low end acceleration. The K power didn't really cut > in until about 5,500rpm. Shifting is a delight but I doubt that the box > is a durable as the BMW and a wet clutch is more manageable but again > has its longevity draw backs. The PC is still too new to me to know > anything about the handling other than I felt very comfortable in the > corners every bit as good as with the BMW. I suspect that both bike are > about equal in this area. > > I miss the clock and the gear indicator but a gas gauge is nice. I > suspect I'll miss the extra gallon of gas as well but it appears that > folks get a little better mileage with the PC so maybe the range isn't > that much difference. Regular gas is nice. > > Anyway it looks like it was a choice amongest to good bikes so I don't > think I could have lost. > > Thanks for all the input and advice. > > -- > Bob Anundson Abiqua Productions > (503) 692 2841 8768 SW Iroquois Dr > fax: 692 7906 Tualatin, OR 97062 > boba@teleport.com > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jeroen van Vuure" To: "PC800 owners club" Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 & ST1100 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:52:42 +0100 Hello Vincent The ST1100 non ABC CBS TCS cost about F 31.000,- I think that's about $ 15.500 The ST1100 with ABS CBS and TCS cost about F 36.000,- that's $ 18.000. That's much more expensive isn't it. That's the reason why many Harley riders buy a Harley in Amercia and schip them to the netherlands. My neighbour has done that with a 87 Harley lowrider, and he told me that he new a few other people who did the same. Why don't we start a buisness that imports bikes form the US, there must be a lot of money in that. I wrote that for fun but my brother and I have some plans to start a motorcycle buisness when I finishd scool and when we have some experience in selling and buying bikes. I think that american bikes are interesting to sell then. Jeroen van Vuure Hoorn, Holland vuure@dds.nl ---------- > Van: Vincent Santamaria > Aan: Jeroen van Vuure > Onderwerp: Re: PC800: PC800 & ST1100 > Datum: dinsdag 4 november 1997 18:54 > > Jeroen, What is the price for the ST1100 in the Netherlands? > Vince > > ---------- > > > > > 1998 Honda Pacific Coast list price $8699 now $7499 > > > > > > 1998 Honda ST1100 list price $11,799 now $10,199 (non ABS ?) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Randy Ashurst" To: Subject: PC800: RE: SUBSCRIBE Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:06:13 -0500 I was told about your site and need to get subscribed..cept don't know how. Let me knoow RD Ashurst Brunswick, GA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/971030) via SMTP id UAA11089 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:34:18 -0500 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: FW: PC800: PC800 & ST1100 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:16:44 -0500 Jeroen It works both ways. When the currency conversion favors the practice many Americans buy BMW and Mercedes automobiles in Europe and ship them to the states for the same reason. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jeroen van Vuure [SMTP:vuure@dds.nl] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 1997 10:53 AM To: PC800 owners club Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 & ST1100 Hello Vincent The ST1100 non ABC CBS TCS cost about F 31.000,- I think that's about $ 15.500 The ST1100 with ABS CBS and TCS cost about F 36.000,- that's $ 18.000. That's much more expensive isn't it. That's the reason why many Harley riders buy a Harley in Amercia and schip them to the netherlands. My neighbour has done that with a 87 Harley lowrider, and he told me that he new a few other people who did the same. Why don't we start a buisness that imports bikes form the US, there must be a lot of money in that. I wrote that for fun but my brother and I have some plans to start a motorcycle buisness when I finishd scool and when we have some experience in selling and buying bikes. I think that american bikes are interesting to sell then. Jeroen van Vuure Hoorn, Holland vuure@dds.nl ---------- > Van: Vincent Santamaria > Aan: Jeroen van Vuure > Onderwerp: Re: PC800: PC800 & ST1100 > Datum: dinsdag 4 november 1997 18:54 > > Jeroen, What is the price for the ST1100 in the Netherlands? > Vince > > ---------- > > > > > 1998 Honda Pacific Coast list price $8699 now $7499 > > > > > > 1998 Honda ST1100 list price $11,799 now $10,199 (non ABS ?) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA04045; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 21:48:18 -0600 (CST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 19:44:01 -0800 To: deselms@royal.net From: Greg Chambers Subject: RE: PC800: Radar Mythins (addendum) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 09:57 AM 11/4/97 -0800, Greg DesElms wrote: >Oops... > >The last line of my last posting was grammatically ambiguous. Instead >of: > > "What a terrific disappointment it is that I've > failed to instill your confidence in this life." > >which can be taken in at least two ways, but which, when strictly read, >mistakenly implies... >Sorry for the confusion. > Greg - Perhaps an apology for the clarification would be more in order. I can't handle such intellectual challenges after working all day. BTW, this is sarcasm, just in case your "radar" failed to pick it up as such (or pick such as it up?). Greg Chambers -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Moedavis1@aol.com by emout34.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id BAA29103 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 01:58:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 01:58:53 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: VANDALS!!!! PART 2 Greetings folks!!! Well, for those who remember my post of a month ago about the vandals who tipped my beloved PC800.....I hope that I can get some assistance on my new problem.... After moping for a month about my turn signal/mirror being smashed, I decided to finally take my beloved steed out for a ride. First, the battery was dead...I replaced the battery in January, and have not been able to leave the bike for more than two weeks without needing to jump it. Second, I started down the hill, popped the clutch, and she started just fine. I idled for about 5 minutes and then she died. Refusing to start, no lights or anything. Third, I attempted to charge the battery, wouldn’t take a charge. I bought a new battery, put it in the bike and pressed the starter once and it wouldn’t start. I checked the fuses and saw the ignition fuse was blown out. I replaced the fuse...as soon as I turned the key, the fuse blew out!!! I was able to get a trailer and tow the bike back up the hill. Now, does any one think that something may have been jarred from the fall? Or...Could I be suffering from the horrible "STATOR FAILURE? The vital info: ’89 PC800 20,000 miles p.s., has any one changed the stator? Is it a big deal to do? Meanwhile I sit in Northern California, 70 degree weather, just excellent for a long motorcycle ride...woe is me ;^( chris -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:57:45 CST by darius.concentric.net (8.8.7/(97/09/12 5.7)) id JAA26332; Thu, 06 Nov 1997 09:57:42 -0500 (EST) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.8.7) id JAA25872; Thu, 06 Nov 1997 09:57:40 -0500 (EST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 06:54:59 -0800 From: Philip Lewis Subject: Re: PC800: VANDALS!!!! PART 2 To: Moedavis1@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Reply-to: pilewis1@concentric.net Moedavis1@aol.com wrote: > = > Greetings folks!!! > Well, for those who remember my post of a month ago about the vandals w= ho > tipped my beloved PC800.....I hope that I can get some assistance on my= new > problem.... > = > After moping for a month about my turn signal/mirror being smashed, I d= ecided > to finally take my beloved steed out for a ride. > = > First, the battery was dead...I replaced the battery in January, and ha= ve not > been able to leave the bike for more than two weeks without needing to = jump > it. > = > Second, I started down the hill, popped the clutch, and she started jus= t > fine. I idled for about 5 minutes and then she died. Refusing to star= t, no > lights or anything. > = > Third, I attempted to charge the battery, wouldn=92t take a charge. I = bought a > new battery, put it in the bike and pressed the starter once and it wou= ldn=92t > start. I checked the fuses and saw the ignition fuse was blown out. I= > replaced the fuse...as soon as I turned the key, the fuse blew out!!! = I was > able to get a trailer and tow the bike back up the hill. > = > Now, does any one think that something may have been jarred from the fa= ll? > = > Or...Could I be suffering from the horrible "STATOR FAILURE? > = > The vital info: =9289 PC800 20,000 miles > = > p.s., has any one changed the stator? Is it a big deal to do? > = > Meanwhile I sit in Northern California, 70 degree weather, just excelle= nt for > a long motorcycle ride...woe is me ;^( > = > chris > = Hi Chris! I'm no expert, but it sure sounds like a short circuit to me. The fuse blowing is a dead give-away. The hardest part is trying to nail down where the short is. Obviously the ignition wiring would be the place to start. You'll need a volt-ohm meter and some long aligator clips to try and pin point which wires are rubbing against each other. Or, since your bike was tipped over, perhaps your ignition wire is grounded against the bike frame. You may find that you'll have to remove a lot of plastic and the seat to gain access to the wires. The main fuse and wiring box is located underneath the seat. Sorry I can't be of a better help. Perhaps some of Y'all with a manual are better able to help Chris. Take care, Phil -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.1-10 #18580) Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:01:56 CST id JAA01822 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 06 Nov 1997 09:01:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 09:01:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: PC800: VANDALS!!!! PART 2 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hi, Chris: In a message dated 97-11-06 02:00:02 EST, you write: << First, the battery was dead...I replaced the battery in January, and have not been able to leave the bike for more than two weeks without needing to jump it. >> Assuming that the battery you put in back in January wasn't bad to begin with, there are two things that could discharge a fully-charged battery in 2 weeks with the ignition switch OFF (rather than in Park): A faulty rectifier/regulator unit, or some accessory running off of the unswitched accessory lead. Given the other symptoms , the rectifier/regulator seems the more likely candidate. << Second, I started down the hill, popped the clutch, and she started just fine. I idled for about 5 minutes and then she died. Refusing to start, no lights or anything. >> This could simply be due to the almost-dead condition of the battery. There could have been just enough juice left in it to fire the ignition, but (even if the charging system is working OK) running at idle will do nothing but deplete the battery even further. Once the voltage dropped to the minimum level to fire the plugs, it simply quit. << Third, I attempted to charge the battery, wouldn’t take a charge. I bought a new battery, put it in the bike and pressed the starter once and it wouldn’t start. I checked the fuses and saw the ignition fuse was blown out. I replaced the fuse...as soon as I turned the key, the fuse blew out!!! >> Obviously, there is a ground fault somewhere in that circuit. Potential candidates would be the fuel pump, the spark unit, or a shorted coil primary. You can rule out the coil if the fuse still blows with the ignition cut-off switch OFF. You can rule out the fuel pump if the fuse still blows after disconnecting the fuel cut-off relay (left side- trunk open). My guess is that neither of these is the problem; I suspect that the trouble is with the spark unit. It may have been damaged by a problem with the charging system, like a bad rectifier/regulator perhaps. << Now, does any one think that something may have been jarred from the fall? >> I doubt it. Sounds to me like the problem has been developing for quite a while. << Or...Could I be suffering from the horrible "STATOR FAILURE? The vital info: ’89 PC800 20,000 miles >> Maybe not. Could be that the stator is bad too, but given all of the above, I think the rectifier/regulator is a really likely source of the charging problems. The only way to find out is to check them both out. << p.s., has any one changed the stator? Is it a big deal to do? >> Yes, I just finished doing it on my '89. It is quite a job, because you have to remove nearly all of the plastic forward of the trunk and the lower, front subframe to get at the left side crankcase cover where the little beasty lives. It took me the better part of a day to get the thing out, and about the same to put everything back together again. It is, however, a job that anyone can do with a reasonable set of normal tools (sockets, end wrenches, screw drivers, and the like). No special tools are required, just a lot of patience and stubborn perserverance. The stator will cost about $250 if you get a new one; I paid about half of that to have my old one rewound. You will also need an $11 gasket for the case cover. My dealer quoted me $85 for the labor to replace the thing (their book says it can be done in 2 hours; boy, are they in for a surprise!). If it ever happens again, I think I'll pay the toll and use my time for something else. Good luck. I hope it's just the rectifier/regulator. They too are outrageously priced, but at least they are easy to change. JT a long motorcycle ride...woe is me ;^( >> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Spain, Harrison" To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: PC800: Test regulator has found a permanent home Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:12:27 -0800 I must inform the list that John's 'test' regulator has found a permanent home in my PC800 :-}. Don't blame John, I twisted his arm! Harrison * Harrison Spain * EDS Unigraphics GTAC - Systems Support Manager * Voice: 714-952-6114 * Fax: 714-952-5371 * Internet E-Mail: spain@edsug.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 15:26:23 -0800 From: Bob Anundson To: PC List Subject: PC800: Newbie Questions Now that I have bought the PC I have a couple of questions. One several folks have mentioned the archives. I have looked at http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800/index.html but haven't found the archives. Second is that I want to mount a CB and I think I have figured out the antenna mounting but I have a handheld Maxon and am in a bit of a quandry on to mount that. Also I'm looking for outdoor accessary "cigar" sockets. I assume folks have mounted those and any advice on where would be appreciated. Regards, Bob -- Bob Anundson Abiqua Productions (503) 692 2841 8768 SW Iroquois Dr fax: 692 7906 Tualatin, OR 97062 boba@teleport.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:02:28 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 19:02:12 -0800 From: "Gregg L. DesElms" To: boba@teleport.com CC: PC List Subject: Re: PC800: Newbie Questions Bob Anundson wrote: > > One several folks have mentioned the archives. I have looked at > http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800/index.html but haven't found the > archives. > Tbe archives are at: http://www.hpc.uh.edu/pc800 Gregg DesElms deselms@royal.net '89 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:03:29 -0800 (PST) From: John La Subject: PC800: re:newbie: archives & 'lectric To: boba@teleport.com Cc: pclist > One several folks have mentioned the archives. I have looked at > http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800/index.html but haven't found the > archives. Yeah, I know... the archives are kind of hidden. Click on the "E-mail listserver information" Sit and wait a minute after clicking because after the initial text comes over a few small graphics need to load before you can see the part about accessing the Archives. It's really worth the wait, though. Maybe we should have a seperate link that simply says "archives"? > Second is that I want to mount a CB and I think I have figured out the > antenna mounting but I have a handheld Maxon and am in a bit of a > quandry on to mount that. Also I'm looking for outdoor accessary "cigar" > sockets. I assume folks have mounted those and any advice on where would > be appreciated. Tapping into the electric system from under the seat is not too hard. I understand that there is an unused switched curcut designed for the factory radio (no longer available). I whimped out and had my radio installed at the shop, so I'm not sure exactly where it is. I'm sure you'll get the help you need in the archives or from some other PC'er Good Luck! John _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:57:25 -0800 (PST) From: John La Subject: PC800: cycle-parts.com To: pclist I haven't heard much talk about online cycle parts, so I'll just put this out for discussion. Factory parts for Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Yamaha Minimum order is $100 No sales tax (unless you're in Montana) Price is Cost+35% No Returns (unless they screw up) No shipping charge if over $450 otherwise UPS rates Everything is special order 7-10 days You must supply accurate part number. They will sell you a microfiche for $10. (not subject to the minimum) http://www.cycle-parts.com The voltage regulator I bought was $168 (incl tax) at the dealer. Would have been $134 from them. I got it at the dealer anyway because (one) I didn't want to wait 10 days for it and (two) if it arrived DOA, who knows how long it would take for a replacement to arrive? However, I'd use them if I needed plastic, or accessories (hondaline tall sheild and/or backrest come to mind) or other stuff I could wait for. I worked for car dealers parts & service depts., so I know mark-ups from 100% - 150% are very common, and rarely get lower than 50% over cost. My experience tells me that MC dealers have a similar pricing structure. Any comments from other listers? _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jfmoemd Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:08:44 EST To: fsl@borgconsulting.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Considering purchasing a PC In a message dated 97-11-06 19:36:47 EST, fsl@borgconsulting.com writes: << I know I am going to get a whole bunch of Emails from the other list members who can be categorized into two groups. Those that know black is the best color, and those that don't know yet, because they 'got stuck' with one of the other colors!!!!!! >> Dear Francois, I am sure you won't get any flames for your statement of the FACT that BLACK is BEST. And of course that the '94 is superior to all others. Hey, when you're right, you're RIGHT! ;>) John -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jfmoemd Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:05:09 EST To: timmacy@juno.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Oops! Dear Tim, Think no more about it. Since it is recognized by everyone that the '94 PC is the most beautiful and the best of all PCs, a tiny error in the year of any other PC is trivial and inconsequential. John -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 16:40:38 -0900 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: PC800: Considering purchasing a PC At 20:08 11/6/97 EST, John wrote: >Dear Francois, > >I am sure you won't get any flames for your statement of the FACT that BLACK >is BEST. And of course that the '94 is superior to all others. Ahem.... What most you guys and gals fail to recognize is that it was the RED 1990 model that finally captured the hearts and intellects of the American Rider. Had it not been for that wonderful color most of you would be riding around on Helixes and Vespas wondering what it could've been like to own a PC. Even Honda recognized that it made a mistake selling a black PC and brought the red color back. Of course, by contractual agreement with all '90 model owners, they could not reproduce the same color. Still, they tried. :-) Boy, can you tell I don't want to do any work today? Cheers everyone. Juan "We few, we happy few, we band of PC Riders" -- With apologies to William Shakespeare --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '91 Suzuki VX800 University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:12:05 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Considering purchasing a PC Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:04:30 -0500 Now all you people out there in PC land listen to Juan. He is all wise and all knowing. He speaketh the truth. Amen brother. I done told you once before and I will tell you again one last time. The 1990 Red model was the one where Honda fixed all the bugs from the 1989 White model. Then there was a lapse of time when no PCs were created. Unfortunately, when they reloaded the files at Honda to resume the creation of the PC, someone screwed up, deleted the 1990 file, and reloaded the 1989 files and put all the bugs back in the 1994 to current model. Honda has not been able to straighten it out since. Vince in Fort Myers who speaks the truth. Hey, whats wrong with the Helix, Juan. I looking to buy one if I can get it 1990 PC red. ---------- > > Ahem.... What most you guys and gals fail to recognize is that it was the > RED 1990 model that finally captured the hearts and intellects of the > American Rider. Had it not been for that wonderful color most of you would > be riding around on Helixes and Vespas wondering what it could've been like > to own a PC. > > Even Honda recognized that it made a mistake selling a black PC and brought > the red color back. Of course, by contractual agreement with all '90 model > owners, they could not reproduce the same color. Still, they tried. :-) MountainCat -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:15:15 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Garbacik To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Delusions of Color In the beginning there was pearl white . . . All others are 'copies' struggling for their own identity. Tom '89 Moonbeam -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by LATTE.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-8 #16781) 7 Nov 1997 10:28:52 CST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 10:28:37 +0000 From: Chris Powless Subject: Re: PC800: Delusions of Color To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, Tom Garbacik Reply-to: APowless@LATTE.MEMPHIS.EDU Comments: Authenticated sender is If black is the presence of all color, and white is the absence of all color... Nevermind, I thought I was in art class... Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 08:15:15 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Garbacik Subject: PC800: Delusions of Color ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu In the beginning there was pearl white . . . All others are 'copies' struggling for their own identity. Tom '89 Moonbeam -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Chris Powless Records Section, Department of Human Resources University of Memphis telephone 901-678-2888 fax 901-678-5350 http://www.memphis.edu -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:50:47 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 10:52:49 -0600 From: James and Dana Geist <"Jgeist lubtx"@DOOR.net> To: APowless@latte.memphis.edu CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, Tom Garbacik Subject: Re: PC800: Delusions of Color Chris Powless wrote: > > If black is the presence of all color, and white is the absence of > all color... > > Nevermind, I thought I was in art class... > > Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 > 08:15:15 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Garbacik > Subject: PC800: Delusions of Color > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > > In the beginning there was pearl white . . . > > All others are 'copies' struggling for their own identity. > > Tom > '89 Moonbeam > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > Chris Powless > Records Section, Department of Human Resources > University of Memphis > telephone 901-678-2888 fax 901-678-5350 > http://www.memphis.edu > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. A PC is a PC...Regardless of color.. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jeroen van Vuure" To: "PC800 owners club" Subject: PC800: Fw: strange mail Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 19:04:18 +0100 Does anyone has any idears of why I got this strange mail without any lines in it. ---------- > Van: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Aan: undisclosed-recipients:;Status: > Onderwerp: > Datum: vrijdag 7 november 1997 12:20 > Jeroen van Vuure Hoorn, Holland vuure@dds.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 10:30:10 -0800 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Delusions of Color > > If black is the presence of all color, and white is the absence of > > all color... > > > > In the beginning there was pearl white . . . > > > > All others are 'copies' struggling for their own identity. > A PC is a PC...Regardless of color.. I think it's time we all sit around the Exhalted Corbin and sing Kumbaya. Or...'If I had a Hammer" :>) -- Dave Gross '89 PurlGurl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 10:26:58 -0800 From: Bob Anundson To: PC800 owners club Subject: Re: PC800: Fw: strange mail No but I got it too. Bob Jeroen van Vuure wrote: > Does anyone has any idears of why I got this strange mail without any > lines > in it. > > ---------- > > Van: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu > > Aan: undisclosed-recipients:;Status: > > Onderwerp: > > Datum: vrijdag 7 november 1997 12:20 > > > > Jeroen van Vuure > Hoorn, Holland > > vuure@dds.nl > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Bob Anundson Abiqua Productions (503) 692 2841 8768 SW Iroquois Dr fax: 692 7906 Tualatin, OR 97062 boba@teleport.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 11:02:30 -0800 From: Phil Lewis To: Tom Garbacik CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Delusions of Color Tom Garbacik wrote: > > In the beginning there was pearl white . . . > and it was such a nice color that the PC became self-conscious and began to blush and so..... was created the '90 blushing red................. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:22:26 PT From: "PETER NOETH, SR. SYSTEMS ENGINEER, SFO DEV. X5567" Subject: Re: PC800: Considering purchasing a PC To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu /FONT=Courier-Bold/LINES=66/LEFT_MARGIN=36/CALCULATE/TOP_MARGIN=36/BOTTOM_MARGIN=36 >At 20:08 11/6/97 EST, John wrote: >Dear Francois, > >I am sure you won't get any flames for your statement of the FACT that BLACK >is BEST. And of course that the '94 is superior to all others. Ahem...... The only true statement of which color is best, is that most likely which ever color you own is the color that is best. That is why Honda made a few color variations. Personally I would prefer a blue one, but the '96 and '97 are definately the most VISABLE on the road in daylight. Peter Noeth '96 PC800 1200mi and loving every minuite -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:29:53 -0500 (EST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:29:20 -0500 From: Steve Schibuola Subject: PC800: Delusions of Color To: PC800 List >> In the beginning there was pearl white . . . >>All others are 'copies' struggling for their own identity. >> Tom '89 Moonbeam TESTIFY, brother! = I need not remind older list-members that we 89 owners are religiously fanatical in our belief that pearl white is the only TRUE PC color . . . Can I get an Amen? Steve Schibuola Brea, CA '89 PC (of course) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:32:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Michael D. Bowman" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: 89 PC for salvage Hi, I had written to the group once before(I am the one with the "87" PC). I just crashed my 89, and had no insurance, and I am looking for someone interested in buying it. The plastic is about all gone, but the frame, engine, radiator, all seem okay. It had 43,000 miles. The seats are good, and the wheels, tires, just about everything but the covers and possibly the forks. I live in NE PA. Anyone interested, you now have my E-mail address. It may be a while till I respond depending on the amount of wrist surgery necessary. (a crushed wrist and brofen fibula were the main injuries so I count myself lucky.) I will never ride without a full-face helmet either, as I would not have a full face left had I been wearing an open one. Let me know if anyone is interested. Mike -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 16:40:11 -0500 From: Jason To: Steve Schibuola CC: PC800 List Subject: !Re: PC800: Delusions of Color No. Jason 94 and DAMN HAPPY ABOUT IT!! :) Steve Schibuola wrote: > >> In the beginning there was pearl white . . . > > >>All others are 'copies' struggling for their own identity. > > >> Tom '89 Moonbeam > > TESTIFY, brother! > > I need not remind older list-members that we 89 owners are religiously > > fanatical in our belief that pearl white is the only TRUE PC color . . > . > > Can I get an Amen? > > Steve Schibuola > Brea, CA > '89 PC (of course) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 17:44:19 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 16:44:15 -0800 From: "Gregg L. DesElms" To: Tom Garbacik CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Delusions of Color Tom Garbacik wrote: > > In the beginning there was pearl white . . . > > All others are 'copies' struggling for their own identity. > > Tom > '89 Moonbeam > Agreed! Gregg L. DesElms deselms@royal.net '89 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 17:46:23 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 16:46:21 -0800 From: "Gregg L. DesElms" To: APowless@LATTE.MEMPHIS.EDU CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, Tom Garbacik Subject: Re: PC800: Delusions of Color Chris Powless wrote: > > If black is the presence of all color, and white is the absence of > all color... > > Nevermind, I thought I was in art class... > Yeah... and you got it backwards, to boot. Black is the absence of color. White is equal amounts of the primary colors. Gregg DesElms deselms@royal.net '89 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 17:20:27 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: !Re: PC800: Delusions of Color Amen Jason! Francois ---> 95 and proud ! But...I do admit that although we all have our favorite color of PC800 given the available choices, I personally would have prefered a dark green, or a dark blue. >No. > > >Jason >94 and DAMN HAPPY ABOUT IT!! :) >Steve Schibuola wrote: > >> >> Can I get an Amen? >> >> Steve Schibuola >> Brea, CA >> '89 PC (of course) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Francois Saint Laurent Borg Consulting Ottawa, Canada fsl@borgconsulting.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by thevision.net with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 22:30:51 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Spencer" To: "Steve Schibuola" , "PC800 List" Subject: Re: PC800: Delusions of Color Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:30:20 -0800 Isn't it PC to be color blind? ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Steve Schibuola To: PC800 List Subject: PC800: Delusions of Color Date: Friday, November 07, 1997 1:29 PM >> In the beginning there was pearl white . . . >>All others are 'copies' struggling for their own identity. >> Tom '89 Moonbeam TESTIFY, brother! I need not remind older list-members that we 89 owners are religiously fanatical in our belief that pearl white is the only TRUE PC color . . . Can I get an Amen? Steve Schibuola Brea, CA '89 PC (of course) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ---------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 13:49:14 -0900 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC800: Delusions of Color At 10:28 11/7/97 +0000, you wrote: >If black is the presence of all color, and white is the absence of >all color... I thought black was the absence of light (or is that the absence of enlightment?) :-) Sorry, couldn't resist. Juan "We few, we happy few, we band of PC Riders" -- With apologies to William Shakespeare --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '91 Suzuki VX800 University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mashaw@mindspring.com (Monty Shaw) To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Fw: strange mail Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 23:01:02 GMT >From "Jeroen van Vuure" Fri, 7 Nov 1997 19:04:18 +0100 See my comments in/after your email. - ]Monty[ "Does anyone has any idears of why I got this strange mail without any lines "in it. " [dutch snipped] "Jeroen van Vuure "Hoorn, Holland " "vuure@dds.nl Don't know I got it too. List server hiccup maybe? ]Monty[ 89 Sailor Moon PS. White IS the best color, by the way. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 15:33:52 -0800 From: Eric Matthews To: deselms@royal.net CC: APowless@LATTE.MEMPHIS.EDU, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, Tom Garbacik Subject: Re: PC800: Delusions of Color Actually, when mixing paint or ink black is a combination of colors (subtractive color). It's only with light that adding colors creates white (additive color) Eric Gregg L. DesElms wrote: > Yeah... and you got it backwards, to boot. > > Black is the absence of color. White is equal amounts of the primary > colors. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) Fri, 7 Nov 1997 17:34:45 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 17:36:49 -0600 From: James and Dana Geist <"Jgeist lubtx"@DOOR.net> To: deselms@royal.net CC: APowless@latte.memphis.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, Tom Garbacik Subject: Re: PC800: Delusions of Color Gregg L. DesElms wrote: > > Chris Powless wrote: > > > > If black is the presence of all color, and white is the absence of > > all color... > > > > Nevermind, I thought I was in art class... > > > > Yeah... and you got it backwards, to boot. > > Black is the absence of color. White is equal amounts of the primary > colors. > > Gregg DesElms > deselms@royal.net > '89 PC800 > -- WHAT HAS THIS LIST COME TOO? James Lubbock, Tx. '90 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/971030) via SMTP id UAA03584 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 20:09:27 -0500 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: FW: PC800: re:newbie: archives & 'lectric Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 19:37:21 -0500 It appeared to me it would be necessary to remove the seat to get to the "accessory connector". A slightly more convenient switched circuit is available on the headlight relay which is visible when the left side cooling "vent" is removed. The vent just pops out - there are no screws. The relay is located just above the ignition coils. The largest wire (I don't recall the colors) is the supply and is switched. Just beside it is an available "port". I used this source to power my CB. Second question. Since I don't have a radio (AM/FM type), I used velcro to attach my walkie-talkie to the left side speaker grill. The rubber duckie antenna sticks up above the dash. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: John La [SMTP:johnla@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 1997 7:03 PM To: boba@teleport.com Cc: pclist Subject: PC800: re:newbie: archives & 'lectric > One several folks have mentioned the archives. I have looked at > http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800/index.html but haven't found the > archives. Yeah, I know... the archives are kind of hidden. Click on the "E-mail listserver information" Sit and wait a minute after clicking because after the initial text comes over a few small graphics need to load before you can see the part about accessing the Archives. It's really worth the wait, though. Maybe we should have a seperate link that simply says "archives"? > Second is that I want to mount a CB and I think I have figured out the > antenna mounting but I have a handheld Maxon and am in a bit of a > quandry on to mount that. Also I'm looking for outdoor accessary "cigar" > sockets. I assume folks have mounted those and any advice on where would > be appreciated. Tapping into the electric system from under the seat is not too hard. I understand that there is an unused switched curcut designed for the factory radio (no longer available). I whimped out and had my radio installed at the shop, so I'm not sure exactly where it is. I'm sure you'll get the help you need in the archives or from some other PC'er Good Luck! John _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MVerVelde@aol.com by mrin52.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA06776 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 20:31:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 20:31:39 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Electric hook ups Just got my Widder electric vest and chaps. The diagram for hooking up indicates the plug from the battery coming out on the left side / front of seat. Since on the PC, that set up will cause the plug to rub on the plastic, anyone with this set up come up with a creative way that works? I got the 45" electronic thermostat. Was thinking that it might be better to have the plug come out of the dash somewhere... any good ideas? Mike V -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:06:44 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Electric hook ups Hi Mike. I have an old Eclipse electric vest. I ran the hook-up wire for it from under the drivers seat, then towards the back of the bike under the frame cross-bar, then I folded it back up towards the front of the bike so that it sticks out on my left rear hip, from between the drivers seat and passenger seat. When I don't need it, I just put it back under the seat, and store it along the channels that run parallel to the middle channel where the gas strut goes when the trunk is closed. Does this make sense? Let me know if I am not explaining myself clearly, and I'll email you a picture. I have heard a better idea from someone else on this list, but can't remember who. You could look at getting the BMW style electrical outlet. It would make a very nice dash mount switch that could be used for a variety of electrical accessories. fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by thevision.net with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 03:21:14 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Spencer" To: , "Francois Saint Laurent" Subject: Re: PC800: Electric hook ups Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 19:20:44 -0800 > From: Francois Saint Laurent > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: PC800: Electric hook ups > Date: Friday, November 07, 1997 7:06 PM > > Hi Mike. > > I have an old Eclipse electric vest. I ran the hook-up wire for it from > under the drivers seat, then towards the back of the bike under the frame > cross-bar, then I folded it back up towards the front of the bike so that > it sticks out on my left rear hip, from between the drivers seat and > passenger seat. When I don't need it, I just put it back under the seat, > and store it along the channels that run parallel to the middle channel > where the gas strut goes when the trunk is closed. > > Does this make sense? Let me know if I am not explaining myself clearly, > and I'll email you a picture. > > I have heard a better idea from someone else on this list, but can't > remember who. You could look at getting the BMW style electrical outlet. > It would make a very nice dash mount switch that could be used for a > variety of electrical accessories. > > > fsl I have mine installed the same way. However, I find myself forgetting I have it plugged in and too frequently, I yank the connectors apart when I dismount. I've already had to perform one repair job as a result. I suspect it's better to have the 'wire' in front of the rider, but it sure is tidy the way it is. I'd also welcome other ideas. Spencer -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bob Ray" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: Electric hook ups Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 07:08:55 -0600 > Just got my Widder electric vest and chaps. The diagram for hooking up > indicates the plug from the battery coming out on the left side / front of > seat. Since on the PC, that set up will cause the plug to rub on the plastic, > anyone with this set up come up with a creative way that works? I got the > 45" electronic thermostat. Was thinking that it might be better to have the > plug come out of the dash somewhere... any good ideas? > > Mike V IHMO, the best solution to this problem is to buy the BMW accessory plug (around $35 at an honest dealer) and the Widder->BMW adaptor (just call up Pat Widder, he's a **good** guy). Mount the accessory plug in your dash and you're all set. Bob Ray -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:59:46 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 09:59:55 -0800 From: "Gregg L. DesElms" To: Eric Matthews CC: APowless@LATTE.MEMPHIS.EDU, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, Tom Garbacik Subject: Re: PC800: Delusions of Color Eric Matthews wrote: > > Actually, when mixing paint or ink black is a combination of colors > (subtractive color). It's only with light that adding colors creates white > (additive color) > Eric, Yes, what I wrote is appropriate to light. And what you wrote is essentially true of paint and ink. There are a few potentially really technically interesting footnotes to this, of course, but I'm sure neither of us wishes to turn this gleeful color discussion into the same kind of techno-hairsplitting waste of time that the radar detector discussion became. (Whew!) As James Geist wrote (regarding the color discussion) in another posting, "What has this list come to?" Good point. Let it suffice to say that, if your original posting was intended to apply specifically an only to paint (well.. and ink, as you said), then you didn't really get it backwards, as I had written. Gregg DesElms deselms@royal.net '89 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jfmoemd@aol.com by mrin44.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA02500 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 11:55:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 11:55:58 -0500 (EST) To: MVerVelde@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Electric hook ups Mike, Just a personal opinion - I have my electrics running out from under the trunk lid, right up next to the seat. There doesn't seem to be much pinching there, the connection to the battery is very short, and it works fine. Someone mentioned recently hiding a cigarette lighter socket behind the passenger peg. I think that is a very good solution but I'd want some kind of little rubber plug, maybe like the rubber corks for science projects, to stick in the socket when not using it. If it were installed on the right side it would be close to the battery also. John -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by unknown with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 23:31:25 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "pc club" From: "Ronald Grant" Subject: PC800: off at LAST! Date: Sat, 08 Nov 97 18:08:42 PST Well it has been great reading....with an occasional post, guys. I wonder if the color thing will still be going when I get back? Heading to L.A. this Friday....then Tampa. I think I have a small 250 Suzuki lined up for the trip to Central America.....but also working on Plan "B", which is to hitch a ride in, (on)?? an Ultralight floatplane going from Miami to Costa Rica via Cuba? ...if I swing that I will buy a m/c in C.R. and use it to tour from there for a few months. Took the battery out of the PC today and along with 2 others over to a friend along with the battery charger...I hope they SURVIVE the trip! Buenos Tardes....ah dont really remember too much spanish just yet.... Ron Grant in Brisbane, Australia! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) for ; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 21:49:15 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 21:51:15 -0600 From: James and Dana Geist <"Jgeist lubtx"@DOOR.net> To: PC800 Subject: PC800: Hmmm..I really should know this... Hello PC'ers. I'll bet ya all know the answer to this one. I've never taken the seat off of my PC. Why? ..... I'm kinda afraid to start taking out nut's and bolt's unless I know what I'm doing. That is my question...How do I remove the seat? I see the two bolts on the back of the seat w/ the trunk open. Are those the only bolt's holding the seat on? What about the front? Thank's in advance. James Lubbock, Tx. '90PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Greg Eyrich" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Hmmm..I really should know this... Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 20:06:00 PST >Hello PC'ers. > >I'll bet ya all know the answer to this one. >I've never taken the seat off of my PC. Why? ..... I'm kinda afraid to >start taking out nut's and bolt's unless I know what I'm doing. That is >my question...How do I remove the seat? I see the two bolts on the back >of the seat w/ the trunk open. Are those the only bolt's holding the >seat on? What about the front? > >Thank's in advance. Yes, those are the only bolts. The front uses a tab and slot. By the way you should review the archieves for the proper way to keep the bolts in a bag for creating your Next bike! Greg Eyrich '94 PC800 Duck Hunter, Motorcycle Rider, Family Man ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 23:27:46 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Hmmm..I really should know this... >>Hello PC'ers. >> >>I'll bet ya all know the answer to this one. >>I've never taken the seat off of my PC. Why? ..... I'm kinda afraid to >>start taking out nut's and bolt's unless I know what I'm doing. That is >>my question...How do I remove the seat? I see the two bolts on the back >>of the seat w/ the trunk open. Are those the only bolt's holding the >>seat on? What about the front? >> >>Thank's in advance. > > After you take out the two bolts, you will need to lower the trunk about half way to allow the driver's seat to slide back far enough to be free of the front hook/tab, otherwise it will hit the gas strut before it is free. fsl :-) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Francois Saint Laurent Borg Consulting Ottawa, Canada fsl@borgconsulting.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ascon de Vries" To: Subject: PC800: farewell Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 08:10:54 +0100 Dit is een meerdelig bericht in MIME-indeling. Dear listmembers, I am ashamed to tell you, but I feel I have to. Just bought a beautiful marroon ST1100, so the PC800 will have to go. Thank you very, very much fot your advices, stories, help etcetera.=20 In case you're interested: my motivation is as follows -the pc800 has very limited fuel capacity -the pc800 might have been given some more horsepower -there is no ABS version of the PC -the bike is too good, never had defects Goodbye all, thanks again !!!!! Ascon de Vries - Netherlands =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Full name : Ascon de Vries E-mail private: gorgon@xs4all.nl work : asconv@pca-znw.nl HAM : pd0jsm =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 00:31:53 -0800 (PST) From: John La Subject: Re: PC800: cycle-parts.com To: pclist Hi Mike- Yes, it should work with MS Internet Explorer. Make sure you type the address with a dash "-" between the "cycle" and the "parts" exactly as follows: http://www.cycle-parts.com If you still have problems, make sure you're using at least Version 3 of MSIE. Good luck. John ---MVerVelde@aol.com wrote: > > Im not able to get cycle parts on line... Im not a internet expert either... > Is it accessible thru Microsoft internet explorer browser?? > > Mike V > __________________________________________________________________ Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id P_P21165; Sun, 09 Nov 1997 15:04:18 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: gorgon@xs4all.nl Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Traitor in our mist. From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 15:04:18 EST Yeah, ya' traitor ya'! On Sun, 9 Nov 1997 08:10:54 +0100 "Ascon de Vries" writes: >Dear listmembers, I am ashamed to tell you, but I feel I have to. >Just bought a beautiful marroon ST1100, so the PC800 will have to go. >Thank you very, very much fot your advices, stories, help etcetera.=20 >In case you're interested: my motivation is as follows >-the pc800 has very limited fuel capacity YEAH YEAH YEAH >-the pc800 might have been given some more horsepower YEAH YEAH YEAH >-there is no ABS version of the PC YEAH YEAH YEAH >-the bike is too good, never had defects YEAH YEAH YEAH Just kidding, Gorgon. If you don't like it maybe we will let you back in. HAHAHAHA We'll leave a lite on 4U and enjoy your new bike. > No, not midst. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by thevision.net with SMTP; 9 Nov 1997 20:30:13 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Spencer" To: , "Rocky E Rocheux" Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: Traitor in our mist. Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 12:29:42 -0800 > > Yeah, ya' traitor ya'! > On Sun, 9 Nov 1997 08:10:54 +0100 "Ascon de Vries" > writes: > How can he survive without a trunk? > >Dear listmembers, I am ashamed to tell you, but I feel I have to. > >Just bought a beautiful marroon ST1100, so the PC800 will have to go. > >Thank you very, very much fot your advices, stories, help etcetera.=20 > >In case you're interested: my motivation is as follows > >-the pc800 has very limited fuel capacity YEAH YEAH YEAH > >-the pc800 might have been given some more horsepower > YEAH YEAH YEAH > >-there is no ABS version of the PC YEAH YEAH YEAH > >-the bike is too good, never had defects YEAH YEAH YEAH > > Just kidding, Gorgon. If you don't like it maybe we will let you back > in. HAHAHAHA We'll leave a lite on 4U and enjoy your new bike. > > > No, not midst. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MVerVelde@aol.com by mrin46.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA19986 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 18:14:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 18:14:15 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Electric hook-ups Thanks to all who gave me some interesting solutions to the electric hook up for the electric vest. From what I've taken from all the advice, I've decided at this time to have the wires come into the trunk, loop around the slot on the top of the trunk, and the plug coming out under the passenger seat on the left hip side. Soon (after christmas) I will get the BMW hook up accessory to plug it in the dash. Mike V 89PC Stockton CA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 19:48:23 -0500 From: Hal MacDonald To: shw@thevision.net CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Traitor in our mist. Spencer wrote: > > > > > Yeah, ya' traitor ya'! > > On Sun, 9 Nov 1997 08:10:54 +0100 "Ascon de Vries" > > writes: > > > > How can he survive without a trunk? > Quite nicely thank you. The PC does have a great trunk, and it is I guess a little more convenient than the saddlebags on the ST, even with liners, butttt.....With the extra range of the HUGE fuel tank the extra speed and Sport bike handling, you are at your destination soooo much faster that you don't notice hardly any inconvenience. :-) (VBG) Actually, at times I still miss the PC. It is a great bike, and I really wish that I could have kept both. (along with a couple of others that are out there) All the Best to All on the PC List STill lurking here Hal MacDonald ST1100 AJAX Ont., Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jfmoemd@aol.com by mrin40.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA08842; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 20:29:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 20:29:45 -0500 (EST) To: rocheux@juno.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Traitor in our mist. In a message dated 97-11-09 17:23:04 EST, shw@thevision.net writes: << How can he survive without a trunk? >> Wow, that's right! Outside of the GoldWing I don't know any other bike that has all the PC features AND a useful trunk! It's the trunk that makes it possible for me to ride to work. John in Indy -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 20:57:58 -0500 From: Roger Prince To: PC800 Mail List Subject: [Fwd: PC800: Electric hook-ups] --------------02F73BE0BBE2C1CB998BFCAA --------------02F73BE0BBE2C1CB998BFCAA ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 20:56:43 -0500 From: Roger Prince To: MVerVelde@aol.com Subject: Re: PC800: Electric hook-ups Mike, I called the local John Deere dealer and ordered the Bosch parts used by John Deere products. I understand they are the same as the BMW parts. The part numbers are AL25073 (female) and RE11344 (female). I paid 4.29 and 8.32 respectively plus 3.50 ship + .63 tax for a total of 16.74. Roger Prince MVerVelde@aol.com wrote: > Thanks to all who gave me some interesting solutions to the electric hook up > for the electric vest. From what I've taken from all the advice, I've > decided at this time to have the wires come into the trunk, loop around the > slot on the top of the trunk, and the plug coming out under the passenger > seat on the left hip side. Soon (after christmas) I will get the BMW hook > up accessory to plug it in the dash. > > Mike V > 89PC > Stockton CA > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. --------------02F73BE0BBE2C1CB998BFCAA-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 18:21:23 -0800 From: Eric Matthews To: Jfmoemd@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Traitor in our mist. How do you fit in there, and who drives? Sorry, had to ask! E. Jfmoemd@aol.com wrote: > It's the trunk that makes it possible for me to ride to work. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 21:59:42 -0500 From: Roger Prince To: roger_prince@dg-webo Cc: PC800 Mail List Subject: Re: [Fwd: PC800: Electric hook-ups] Correction. RE11344 (male, not female). Roger Roger Prince wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: PC800: Electric hook-ups > Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 20:56:43 -0500 > From: Roger Prince > To: MVerVelde@aol.com > > Mike, > > I called the local John Deere dealer and ordered the Bosch parts used by John > Deere products. I understand they are the same as the BMW parts. The part > numbers are AL25073 (female) and RE11344 (female). I paid 4.29 and 8.32 > respectively plus 3.50 ship + .63 tax for a total of 16.74. > > Roger Prince > > MVerVelde@aol.com wrote: > > > Thanks to all who gave me some interesting solutions to the electric hook up > > for the electric vest. From what I've taken from all the advice, I've > > decided at this time to have the wires come into the trunk, loop around the > > slot on the top of the trunk, and the plug coming out under the passenger > > seat on the left hip side. Soon (after christmas) I will get the BMW hook > > up accessory to plug it in the dash. > > > > Mike V > > 89PC > > Stockton CA > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 22:24:34 -0500 From: Rich Bumar To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: cycle-parts.com John La wrote: > > I haven't heard much talk about online cycle parts, so I'll just put > this out for discussion. > > Factory parts for Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Yamaha > Minimum order is $100 > No sales tax (unless you're in Montana) > Price is Cost+35% > No Returns (unless they screw up) > No shipping charge if over $450 otherwise UPS rates > Everything is special order 7-10 days > You must supply accurate part number. > They will sell you a microfiche for $10. (not subject to the minimum) > > http://www.cycle-parts.com > > The voltage regulator I bought was $168 (incl tax) at the dealer. > Would have been $134 from them. I got it at the dealer anyway because > (one) I didn't want to wait 10 days for it and (two) if it arrived > DOA, who knows how long it would take for a replacement to arrive? > > However, I'd use them if I needed plastic, or accessories (hondaline > tall sheild and/or backrest come to mind) or other stuff I could wait > for. I worked for car dealers parts & service depts., so I know > mark-ups from 100% - 150% are very common, and rarely get lower than > 50% over cost. My experience tells me that MC dealers have a similar > pricing structure. > > Any comments from other listers? I just wanted to pass my experience with Internet Cycle Parts (ICP) along to the group. I had an unfortunate trailering accident and damaged my left air vent/maintenance cover. (The official name for the part is "Lid Assembly". FYI part no. 64290-MR5-010ZF for a 96 PC.) My local dealer wanted to charge $155.00 + tax. I ordered the part from the dealer before I heard about ICP. It was on back order for about a month when I read about the ICP service. The quoted price from ICP was $101.56. I received the part within 3 weeks of ordering it, and with shipping it came to just over $111. If you include sales tax that I would have had to pay, I saved around 50 bucks. I will definitely use ICP again. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: pckwong@hkusua.hku.hk (VR2XVI) Subject: Re: PC800: cycle-parts.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:58:43 +0800 (HKT) Hi listers, For ordering from Cycle-Parts, is it OK for only giving the name/ description of the parts, or do I need to supply the exact part #s? Thanks for the info in advanced. -- ************************************************************************* * Philips Wong, Colonial Special Constabulary Medal * * executive committee, Safe Rider (HK) Association. * * * * VR2XVI <-- HAM '95 GL1500SE Candy Red <-- the flooded bike * * PCA420 <-- Hong Kong '84 GL1200A 2 tone beige <-- the chromed bike * * Aux Police '90 PC800 Candy Red <-- My little Wing * * 101177 <-- GWRRA CBX750 Police Edition <-- Muscle! * * * * Commissioner Maxwell, Hong Kong Police, 1959 : * * " I have the honour to be, Sir, your obedient servant! " * * * ************************************************************************* * Will work for gas and chrome, I have 2 Wings, and a baby Wing at home * ************************************************************************* -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:05:48 +0800 From: Poh Yu Seung To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu CC: Bryan@sqlview.com.sg, dannykah@singnet.com.sg, throttle@pacific.net.sg, ken_ng@pacific.net.sg, ttay@post1.com, san_kin_cheong@jpmorgan.com, santheep@pacific.net.sg, mycki@pacific.net.sg Subject: PC800: stripped Hello everyone, after much deliberation, I finally got up the courage (and saved up the money) to send my bike for a top end operation. The suspect part is a sticking cam chain tensioner, causing the chain to be slack at high speed and thus making a terrible "Singer sewing machine sound". Really don't have the heart to push the bike any harder when she protests like that. So the shop (Perfection Motorcycles) opened up the top today and it is confirmed. A defective tensioner is the fault and hopefully I'll get the PC back on Wednesday. Strange thing though, the bike's only done 37,000 miles (60,000km). Do all tensioners have such short lives? Or am I just unlucky? BTW, thanks to all those on the list who have offered advice, esp to Micky who sat through the countless times I was debating about the long term pros and cons of the PC. Meantime, since she overseas, I have the use of Rosalind's Rebel 125 and I must say, it is a real different feel. Shall we say.....laid back? No more powering through curves on torque. Just chug along at 90 km/h and any faster, the vibes get to me and my hands and feet fall asleep. AND I gotta clean all the chrome before she gets back on Thursday. Looking forward till then 'cos the two loves of my life will be back. Yu Seung -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 20:00:57 +0800 From: Poh Yu Seung To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: pics of stereo Hi gang, I've managed to scan the photos of my stereo modification. Those who are interested, please email me privately and I'll send the pics off to you individually, with a brief description. Yu Seung fr Singapore '95 Black and Blasting (currently under the knife) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 10 Nov 97 08:54:10 EST From: "Rich Bumar" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: PC800: cycle-parts.com Philips Wong wrote: >Hi listers, >For ordering from Cycle-Parts, is it OK for only giving the name/ >description of the parts, or do I need to supply the exact part >#s? >Thanks for the info in advanced. You have to supply the exact part numbers. I guess that the way the service saves money and passes it on to us is by not having to do the research (and thereby assuming the liability of ordering the wrong part) on the part numbers. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jfmoemd@aol.com by mrin41.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA23344; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:42:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:42:39 -0500 (EST) To: pckwong@hkusua.hku.hk, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: cycle-parts.com In a message dated 97-11-10 09:10:51 EST, pckwong@hkusua.hku.hk writes: << do I need to supply the exact part #s? >> If you want to be sure you get what you want, part numbers never hurt. John in Indy -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com by mrin42.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA04157 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:33:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:33:36 -0500 (EST) To: MVerVelde@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Electric hook ups I have my Widder electric plug coming out of the gas tank filler area thingy. When not in use the cable and the control coil up very nicely. When in use, simply open the "door" and hang the cable out. The "door" is pliable enough to shut even though the cable is "in the way". Z -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Russell C. Jackson" To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: PC800: 1990 PC for sale. Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:58:07 -0800 I have a '90 PC with 25k miles, a Rifle +6 windshield, Tenzo driving lights, and a Hondaline passenger backrest for sale. I am asking $3950 if you know anyone who may be interested. I am located in San Diego, CA. Regards, Rusty http://home.san.rr.com/jackson -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id RVC01251; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 17:44:39 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: GuntherSki@aol.com Cc: MVerVelde@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Electric hook ups From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 17:44:39 EST On Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:33:36 -0500 (EST) GuntherSki@aol.com writes: >I have my Widder electric plug coming out of the gas tank filler area >thingy. OUCH? COULD IT CAUSE A FIRE/EXPLOSION?? Rocky -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/971030) via SMTP id TAA04218 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:34:10 -0500 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:25:21 -0500 Roger Prince wrote: >I called the local John Deere dealer and ordered the Bosch parts used by John >Deere products. I understand they are the same as the BMW parts Whoaaaaa! Do you really mean that a TRACTOR uses the same parts as the ultra hi-tech BMW road burners??? I can't wait to tell my Beemer buddies their machine is built from tractor parts! Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/971030) via SMTP id TAA04626 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:45:12 -0500 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: PC800: PC ad Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:36:23 -0500 This ad was in the local paper today: For Sale: '89 Honda Pacific Coast touring bike, pearl white, similar to Gold Wing, very clean, ready-to-ride $3000 obo. 423-581-1181 (Morristown, TN). If anyone is seriously (it's about an hour's ride away) interested, I check it out for you. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 20:04:12 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: PC800: Re: >Roger Prince wrote: >>I called the local John Deere dealer and ordered the Bosch parts used by John >>Deere products. I understand they are the same as the BMW parts > Jim Randall wrote: >Whoaaaaa! Do you really mean that a TRACTOR uses the same parts as the ultra >hi-tech BMW road burners??? I can't wait to tell my Beemer buddies their >machine is >built from tractor parts! > Hmm... Sure brings new meaning to the comments in the motorcycle magazines, when they say the new R1200C Cruiser has "enough low end torque to pull tree stumps". I wonder if John Deere sells pre-built motors to BMW as well? Wouldn't that just freak out some proud BMW owner !!!! While we're on this topic... Did you hear about the farmer's wife who ran off with the local tractor salesman? A few weeks later she sent her husband a "John Deere" letter. I know it's a lousy joke. No flaming please! fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 20:25:21 -0500 From: Tim Scholl To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: pc800 Bought a 97 w/o the front wheel fairing in red this last summer. Added a rifle tall windshild and have ridden 2,000 miles this summer. Reflecting on ride time, I must say the pc is a very nice bike, reliable, unique, but very boring. It really is not big enough for long tours and I wish it had a bit more handling and engine performance. Unless I am talked into keeping it, I will consider trading it in on lets say a Kaw Concours or something in the same class with better performance. I welcome feedback. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 17:20:58 -0900 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC800: pc800 At 20:25 11/10/97 -0500, you wrote: >Bought a 97 w/o the front wheel fairing in red this last summer. Added a >rifle tall windshild and have ridden 2,000 miles this summer. Reflecting >on ride time, I must say the pc is a very nice bike, reliable, unique, >but very boring. Ummm, well, it depends on what you consider boring. If you just came off an inline four bike I suppose that, yes, it does not have the top end rush of a four cylinder bike, but those motors don't have the low end torque of the v-twin either. So, if you get you kicks reving the daylights out of an engine, I suppose the the PC might be kind of boring to you. However, if you can learn to use that torque to power you out of turns with no feverish rowing of the gearbox I believe the PC can be a lot of fun. You also get so much attention from fellow riders that I find it most entertaining. >It really is not big enough for long tours and I wish it had a bit >more >handling and engine performance. Yikes! You mean all of us that have been touring for long distances on PCs have been doing it on the wrong bike? Oh dear, wait till they fellows hear this one. Seriously, the PC is an excellent sport touring mount. That doesn't mean it is for everyone, but not that it is not a capable mount. Many of us have done 10k plus tours on them, and at least one has done the Iron Butt. Touring is more an attitude and a state of mind (cliche alert!) than what type of bike you ride. Just ask that really cute French woman that has been touring around the world on her Yamaha 125 two-stroke. >Unless I am talked into keeping it, I will consider trading it in on lets say >a Kaw Concours or something in the same class with better performance. I >welcome feedback. Tim, sounds to me that you are trying to talk yourself out of the PC. No harm, no foul. Like I said, the PC is not for everyone. I would not get a Kawasaki Concurs, but it would be for reasons that I don't like (vibration, weight, styling, insurance costs, increased maintenance) but it doesn't mean it is not a great bike (and a good deal to boot, at $7799.) You have to be honest with yourself and go with what you like and the intended purpose of your mount. I hope you find what you are looking for. Juan "We few, we happy few, we band of PC Riders" -- With apologies to William Shakespeare --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '91 Suzuki VX800 University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MVerVelde@aol.com by mrin42.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA04807; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:47:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:47:30 -0500 (EST) To: pckwong@hkusua.hku.hk cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: cycle-parts.com pckwong writes: << For ordering from Cycle-Parts, is it OK for only giving the name/ description of the parts, or do I need to supply the exact part #s? Thanks for the info in advanced. >> If you look up the Cycle-Parts.com, and read their ordering instructions, they explain the rationale of you looking up the part numbers. Saves on cost. Just read it yesterday... Mike V 89PC Stockton CA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MVerVelde@aol.com by mrin40.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA23429; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:31:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:31:23 -0500 (EST) To: rocheux@juno.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Electric hook ups In a message dated 97-11-10 19:59:08 EST, you write: << On Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:33:36 -0500 (EST) GuntherSki@aol.com writes: >I have my Widder electric plug coming out of the gas tank filler area >thingy. OUCH? COULD IT CAUSE A FIRE/EXPLOSION?? Rocky >> Ha. I was pondering that thought while reading that reply, since on occassion the gas spills over into the "catch basin"... Maybe Gunther pours his gas better than us? Mike V -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by thevision.net with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 04:47:06 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Spencer" To: "Tim Scholl" , Subject: Re: PC800: pc800 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 20:46:38 -0800 > > Bought a 97 w/o the front wheel fairing in red this last summer. Added a > rifle tall windshild and have ridden 2,000 miles this summer. Reflecting > on ride time, I must say the pc is a very nice bike, reliable, unique, > but very boring. It really is not big enough for long tours and I wish > it had a bit more handling and engine performance. Unless I am talked > into keeping it, I will consider trading it in on lets say a Kaw > Concours or something in the same class with better performance. I > welcome feedback. I don't consider myself a championship rider, but I've put thousands of miles on my PC riding with a Concours. On straight roads he had the power to leave me, but not the legal speed limit to do it. But on mountain roads, I could leave him. Either the PC handles exceptionally well, or I'm an incredible rider. Your choice. My buddy who 'had' the Concours sold it because of shoulder and back fatigue. He found a bike that lets you sit up straight, like the PC, provides more comfort for long rides (he bought a BMW K1100LT, 17K!?). Spencer > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:42:31 +0800 From: Poh Yu Seung To: Roger_Prince@dg-webo.webo.dg.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: stripped Roger Prince wrote: > > My '95 acts in a similar manner. I don't really hear the ticking until > after running high speeds on the Interstate and then exiting. As I slow > I begin to hear the ticking and it continues at low rpm/low speed for a > few seconds/minutes before it goes away? Is this your scenario? > Thanks > > Roger yup, that's exactly it. In my case, the front cylinder's tensioner is the faulty part. On advice of the mechanic, it's best to change both, since the bike's already in the shop. Wonder if any other model year is experiencing the noise? Yu Seung -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 07:56:54 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Cheryl L. Johnson" Subject: PC800: Soft luggage To any one interested in soft luggage to fit the PC's trunk, I just bought a bag from Eddie Bauer called the "Overnighter". It fits very well. It was on sale for $39.99, marked down from $69.99. It is black ballistic nylon 19"x13"x7.5" with large main compartment with tie down straps to secure clothing. There is a second large compartment slightly narrower and a large front pocket with an organizer panel. There is also a shoulder strap and I.D. tag. Beats the heck out of the duffel I had been using, I always had to cram it down and it made the trunk bow out, not good. I put everything I usually carry in the duffel in the new bag and had plenty of room to spare. If you have an Eddie Bauer at your local mall, check it out. Bill Johnson 89 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:16:51 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Cheryl L. Johnson" Subject: PC800: Motorcycle Consumer News I've got a gift subscription from Motorcycle Consumer News to give away. Anybody want it? If I renew my subscription before 12/5/97, I'll get a FREE one year (beginning January 1) gift subscription to give to anyone of my choice. I assume it's for new subscribers only. If you are interested, email your name and address to me at clynnj@flinet.com. If I get more than one, I'll pick one name out of a hat. I hereby solemnly swear that I will NOT use your name and address for any other reason. Signed, Bill Johnson 89PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bob Ray" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: Electric hook ups Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 07:34:32 -0600 Mike V writes: > Ha. I was pondering that thought while reading that reply, since on occassion > the gas spills over into the "catch basin"... Maybe Gunther pours his gas > better than us? > Filling up in Shoshone, CA, right outside of Death Valley, during the iron butt, I stuck the nozzle in and hooked the little latch so I didn't have to hold it. I turned to ask my buddy (who was filling up his ST1100) a question. At that moment, the tank filled and the nozzle **didn't** turn itself off. When I turned back to the PC, over 2 gallons of $1.89 regular 87 octane gas had poured all over the ground, the seat, the tank, etc. The "catch basin" was full o' gas. I was pissed. The attendent laughed and said it happened all the time. I was mo' pissed, but what do you do? Only **one** place to get gas out there and this was it. At $1.89, I'm sure they'll sell you as much as you can spill. I wonder how many start the pump the go inside for a coke or something, spilling $50 or $60 on the ground in the meantime. Good thing it was 118F and I didn't need the Widder... Bob Ray -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:51:43 -0500 From: Roger Prince To: PC800 Mail List Subject: PC800: '96PC vs 'XXPC Does anybody have a '96 that owned one of the earlier PCs? I'd like to know of any differences besides color. The '96 is still available from Honda, according to my dealer. $7600. What prices are you aware of? Roger -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:49:38 -0600 Subject: PC800: Think about me when some of you guys are riding today. For me I look out the window watching the snow fall. R Ries Chaska, MN -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jeroen van Vuure" To: "PC800 owners club" Subject: Re: PC800: pc800 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:03:38 +0100 Hello Tim. What do you mean not big enough. the only bike that has more sitting space on it is the Goldwing, I think. The ST1100 may be larger but when I sit on it there's very little room for my legs, and also the seat of the PC800 is larger. The BMW R1100RT is a very big bike to but I cant say that it is more comfortable as the PC. There are more great touring bikes of course but exept for the Goldwing I can't think of a bike more comfortable as the PC800. do I love my bike or not!!!!! Jeroen van Vuure Hoorn, Holland vuure@dds.nl ---------- > Van: Tim Scholl > Aan: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Onderwerp: PC800: pc800 > Datum: dinsdag 11 november 1997 2:25 > > Bought a 97 w/o the front wheel fairing in red this last summer. Added a > rifle tall windshild and have ridden 2,000 miles this summer. Reflecting > on ride time, I must say the pc is a very nice bike, reliable, unique, > but very boring. It really is not big enough for long tours and I wish > it had a bit more handling and engine performance. Unless I am talked > into keeping it, I will consider trading it in on lets say a Kaw > Concours or something in the same class with better performance. I > welcome feedback. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jeroen van Vuure" To: "PC800 owners club" Subject: Re: PC800: Think about me Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:15:21 +0100 Sorry to hear that Roger. I still haven't seen any snow and I'm very glad about that. I hope this winter stay's a warm winter then I can keep driving. The dutch winters are normally very rainy and not very cold, but last year we had a very cold winter. I hope that we don't get that again. Jeroen van Vuure Hoorn, Holland vuure@dds.nl ---------- > Van: Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com > Aan: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Onderwerp: PC800: Think about me > Datum: dinsdag 11 november 1997 15:49 > > > when some of you guys are riding today. For me I look out the window > watching the snow fall. > R Ries > Chaska, MN > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:25:36 -0600 Subject: Re: PC800: Cold winter >The dutch winters are normally very rainy and not very cold, but last year >we had a very cold winter. I hope that we don't get that again. >Jeroen van Vuure >Hoorn, Holland I had to laugh a little about a very cold winter. It gets cold out in Minnesota but a good test to see if it's very cold is to do the following. Put boiling water in a cup, go outside and tose the water from the cup high into the air. If the water disappears before it hits the ground it is very cold. This I know because I had the opportunity to do this a couple of times last year. Later, R Ries Chaska, MN -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com by mrin58.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA24204; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:03:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:03:37 -0500 (EST) To: rocheux@juno.com cc: MVerVelde@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Electric hook ups In a message dated 97-11-10 19:59:08 EST, rocheux@juno.com writes: << On Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:33:36 -0500 (EST) GuntherSki@aol.com writes: >I have my Widder electric plug coming out of the gas tank filler area >thingy. OUCH? COULD IT CAUSE A FIRE/EXPLOSION?? >> Well, it COULD... but it's not plugged in when it's put away and when it's plugged in, it's outside... soooo, I'm not really afraid of becoming a flamer..... Z -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:48:15 -0800 From: Bob Anundson To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Electric hook ups Stopped by West Marine in North Portland and picked up a weatherized cigar lighter socket and plug for $10. By weatherized it has a little flap over the socket. This is much less expensive than the BMW counterpart although probably not as well built. Anyway thought I would pass this on to the list. Bob -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:02:13 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mike Whited" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: Think about me Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:53:03 -0500 I rode today, It spit a few flurries Mike Columbus OH ---------- > From: Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: Think about me > Date: Tuesday, November 11, 1997 9:49 AM > > > when some of you guys are riding today. For me I look out the window > watching the snow fall. > R Ries > Chaska, MN > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:02:16 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mike Whited" To: "Jeroen van Vuure" , "PC800 owners club" Subject: Re: PC800: pc800 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:54:35 -0500 When I rode an ST1100 my knees touched the fairing sometimes.. '94 PC ---------- > From: Jeroen van Vuure > To: PC800 owners club > Subject: Re: PC800: pc800 > Date: Tuesday, November 11, 1997 11:03 AM > > Hello Tim. > > What do you mean not big enough. the only bike that has more sitting space > on it is the Goldwing, I think. The ST1100 may be larger but when I sit on > it there's very little room for my legs, and also the seat of the PC800 is > larger. The BMW R1100RT is a very big bike to but I cant say that it is > more comfortable as the PC. There are more great touring bikes of course > but exept for the Goldwing I can't think of a bike more comfortable as the > PC800. > > do I love my bike or not!!!!! > > Jeroen van Vuure > Hoorn, Holland > > vuure@dds.nl > > ---------- > > Van: Tim Scholl > > Aan: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > > Onderwerp: PC800: pc800 > > Datum: dinsdag 11 november 1997 2:25 > > > > Bought a 97 w/o the front wheel fairing in red this last summer. Added a > > rifle tall windshild and have ridden 2,000 miles this summer. Reflecting > > on ride time, I must say the pc is a very nice bike, reliable, unique, > > but very boring. It really is not big enough for long tours and I wish > > it had a bit more handling and engine performance. Unless I am talked > > into keeping it, I will consider trading it in on lets say a Kaw > > Concours or something in the same class with better performance. I > > welcome feedback. > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Fireman Joe" To: "CB-750 List" Cc: "Brad Hall" , "PC800 Listservice" Subject: PC800: FW: Tyson on a Motorcycle??? Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:53:42 -0500 > > > TYSON TO ENTER ROAD RACING > > By Ohlin Metzeler > > Fairfield CT (UPI) Former Heavyweight World Champion, convicted rapist, > and cartilaginous carnivore "Iron" Mike Tyson has decided to trade in his > boxing gloves for Kushitanis and start racing motorcycles, announced his > new manager and hair-color consultant Keith Code. > > "Mike's putting that ugly crashing incident behind him, and under > my tutelage he's going to start kicking some serious ass on the > racetrack," explained Code. > > The "crashing incident" Code referred to was a low-speed getoff > outside of Hartford last week. According to Tyson, another motorcycle > came into his lane and head-butted his Luis Farrakan-replica helmet. This > enraged the former champ, who attempted to retaliate by hurling his Honda > CBR-Fourex at the assailant. > > "Somehow I got all tangled up in my handlebars, and my motorbike > body punched me," lisped a squeaky Tyson from his helium-filled isolation > tank. "I get off the ground, and I get a cowapsed lung and ticket. Now > everybody thinks I can't wide. I can so wide!" > > Tyson was in fact cited for riding without a motorcycle license, > although a further charge of riding like a total dweeb was later dropped. > > "I not having a good year here," Tyson lamented, his strange > wheezy lung making him sound like a cross between Pee Wee Herman and Darth > Vader. > > "First Evander Holycow sticks his big fat ear in my mouth and I get in > twouble, and now this cwap. Evwebody be dissing the champ. It ain't > fair." > > Tyson, who owns the second largest private collection of > motorcycles in North America behind Nick Ienastch, is trying to talk the > AMA into letting him enter his Gold Wing trike in Superbike competition. > > "I like it better than that stupid CB thing," explained Tyson. > "It don't fall over near as much, and it's got a stereo. I'll show all > those skinny little racer boys a thing or two." > > Sponsorship for Tyson's Team is pending. > > > > Fred Z. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ramin Keyvan" Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:05:55 -0800 "Re: PC800: pc800" (Nov 10, 8:46pm) To: , "Tim Scholl" , Subject: Re: PC800: pc800 Here here Spencer! Tim, The PC800 is a phenomenal bike given its mission in life, which was, at inception, to provide the riding public with a sport touring bike that handled easily, was relatively maintenance free, was considerably less expensive that the ST1100, came with integrated luggage, room for two, and had plenty of low end torque and grunt to make it fun to ride. If that's the kind of thing you bought the bike for, then you got the right one. With regard to your notion that it's not big enough for long tours, I'm not sure I agree. There are many people on this list who do long rides on their PCs all the time, in relative comfort. That having been said, if the problem is that **you** are too big for the bike (be it height or weight) and something larger would make you more comfortable, then that's another story. The Concours (I have a '95) is large, top-heavy (due to a 7.5 gallon tank) and is a real hand-full at parking lot speeds. The other complaint that most people have with the Connie is that is vibrates/buzzez badly at around 5k RPM. The PC800 suffers from no such problems. On the positive side of the coin, the Connies is very fast and 0-130mph is a very short distance ;). Also, with minor suspension mods, the Connies is a real canyon carver. I enjoy the hell out of it! My wife, Erin rides the PC800 in the family ('95/Black) and for her it's a great bike. I've had occasion to ride the PC when my bike has been in the shop, etc. and I have never come home from riding that bike without saying something like:"I really like that bike of yours! It's great fun to ride! Should you ever decide to sell it, tell me first. I'll buy it from you!" I don't forsee this ever happening. She likes her bike too much! :) I hope this helps, Ramin ps. We're riding across the Rockies next summer to STAR '98 in Taos NM. > > > > > Bought a 97 w/o the front wheel fairing in red this last summer. Added a > > rifle tall windshild and have ridden 2,000 miles this summer. Reflecting > > on ride time, I must say the pc is a very nice bike, reliable, unique, > > but very boring. It really is not big enough for long tours and I wish > > it had a bit more handling and engine performance. Unless I am talked > > into keeping it, I will consider trading it in on lets say a Kaw > > Concours or something in the same class with better performance. I > > welcome feedback. > -- ------------------------------------------------------ |Ramin Keyvan | Voice: 415-846-5169 | |Member Technical Staff/ | FAX: 415-846-1228 | |Release Group | Main #:415-846-5000 | |ramin@tibco.com | Beeper:800-SKY-GRAM | |http://www.tibco.com | Beeper Pin #: 471-3186# | ------------------------------------------------------ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: DMoranz505@aol.com by mrin84.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA11930 for internet:pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:22:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:22:36 -0500 (EST) To: internet:pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Want to purchase stock seat To All, I am looking for a used stock saddle for an 89 PC. Mine has had the cushion taken down by a previous owner. I really need just the driver front section, but I will consider all offers. Please E-Mail me at dmoranz505@aol.com Thanks! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id VVP06898; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:00:04 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Saddle talk. From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:00:04 EST Some guy wants a new front saddle. Hey! Why do you not just get the old one restuffed and recovered. Good gosh. You could cut a 3 or 4 inch foam for it and sculpt it a bit and then have some local upholsterer cover it nicely for you. I got my backrest done for like $25 and it is a wonderful job and looks like the cover mat'l on the seat. If you live near Northern Virginia I could put you onto him. Rocky -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Fireman Joe" To: "CB-750 List" Cc: "Joe Beresford" , "PC800 Listservice" Subject: PC800: A Texas (sized) Ride report Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:50:35 -0500 TEXAS Ride Report or TEXAS by the numbers or www.texas.hill.country.USA.Ride I am not sure what to call this one, the www would have to stand for Wildlife, Wonderful, and WOW! As for the numbers part read on. Warning might be lengthy, as my rambling's on usually do. This past weekend I was fortuante enough to be able to run down to the TEXAS Hill Country accompanied by my DAD, (it was his idea to take me there and he turns 80 something on the 13th). Another newer Ohioan also joined the expedition, Steve Shane formerly of the Twin Cities now residing in Columbus, to join a few of our HSTA friends for a ride. In fact I believe the offical count was 84. Greg from michigan proabbaly beat me out for comming the longest distance... Even if I did trailer, after all it took us just under 30 hours non-stop driving to get there. My dad an I left Cincy about 9am on thursday we ran up to pick up my fellow Ohio brigader in Columbus, after we loaded his fancy Super Duper Shiny RED HAWK onto the big bad blue trailer hooked up to Dad's new F250 Super Turbo Deisel Pick up, I say this cause it looks a little odd with only 2 bikes on it, I think I'll be able to squeeze 5 on it for Daytona. We got out of capital city about noon, and headed over 70 to catch 65 south, as soon as we got into KY., we started getting rain. We hopped this was not what the whole weekend would bring, but we knew we were going to south Texas and had no doubt that the weather was going to be 100% better than what we left. After switching drivers back and forth we got to the River Inn 20 some miles of Kerrville along the Guadalupa River about 5 pm on Fri. We unloaded amongst a perrty good crowd that already was there, and immediatly got into the tire kicking aspect of any HSTA event, after a couple hours and a hot shower we reconveend around the outdoor fire and grill where Steve was busy flipping some dogs and bratts around for the crowd. More stories, and more folkks were arriving and checking in. The Inn is much like a time share condo place, they have stoves, refrig's, and sleeper sofa's, and a seperate bedroom, they don't have any phones or cable tv, which is great when you want to get away from 2 things that drive you nuts each day. And for 55 a night what a bargain! After a dash back up the road to a ATM, I was able to register for the event and get my packet. The packet had a real nice intenary, with a Ice Cream Social Stop at a member's home. That was a novel idea. Well Sat morning comes way to fast but hey that why we here. Steve an I decide to ride a little different route than the planned routes. Something I don't usually do, at almost any event I usually follow the highlighted routes, this time was different, I really didn't want to miss the Ice Cream Social, but after being convinced by Steve and some other's that have ridden here before we headed out west of the INN. This is where the numbers part comes in. We headed out 39 then south on Farm Road 187, then we coaught 337 to Leakey where I ran into Beth an Clint of Houston, formerly of the PC list now on a ST, After gassing up, yes I finally found another bike with a smaller tank than mine Steve's Hawk! We headed N on 336, a really nice road with some twisties, and something you don't see very often is cattle gaurd crossings, in the road, those are those metal tube thing you drive over when going into someones farm so that you don't have to keep opening and closing gates. In this case they were actually across the raod, and sometime in a turn, you suddenly are zipping along passing some catle then some cattle with really big horns, and sheep, and you notice/realize that there is no fence between you and them, oh my! I am on a open range. Time for reallity check, speed just abit above the post. So your mind says time to back down, remember Saftey and excellense in riding, and I don't want to be ridiculed by the club for tangoing with a native. Every where we stopped the local folks kept saying watch for the deer, we saw eveidnce of this along the road, fresh road kill cafe specails, in fact as we got our morning gas we heard tale that one of gang from Austin suffered this fate with his Sabre, the deer was put down and the rider had some banged up knees, I had talked with this gentlmen the night before, and I hope he is recovering fine, last I heard he was treated and released, Barry hope your feeling better! So with this in the back of the mind we rode accordingly for the area, at one of our stops Steve and I commented about this, Steve an I both agreed we were in a new area that we never been to before so we changed our pace accordingly. That's what everyone should be able to do. As we continued up 337 we came to 41 which was a long straight falt peice that allows one to clean out the carb's a little. Then we dashed back south on 336 another sequential number in the day, maybe I should play the lotto. This road brought us back down to 337 Via 55, it was along this stretch we encountered some very unusall wild life, it seems that almost everywhere down thisa area is exotic game ranches, you notice these cause of the 10-20 foot high fences. As we croosed one of the many little creeks, which has a huge sign warning of flas flooding pron, we see the eveidnec of the flooding some of the south Texas area had incuured ealry this year, around the next bend we encountered, some giraffes, ostrich's, emu's, and then I noticed some bouncing little guys, I thought am I in Austarllia? Kangaroo's in south Texas. and of course armadillo's too... And some more animal's I couldn't ID. After stopping an talking to some guys from West Texas, and enjoyed tire kicking with them, we continued down the road and passed this huge ranch that had this 12 foot high brick/concrete fence around the whole place topped with chards of broken glass, someone tells me this is Patrick Swayze's place... hummm. Some of the homes in this area would definitly set you back. Into Camp Wood we're we caught up with some more of the gang going the opsite direction of this loop. We switched steeds with each other for a few mile, I have to say the HAwk is a impressive machine it has a superb powerband, it wild to be in top gear and be at 30 mph then crank the throttle and it picks right back up. The pegs take a little getting used to for someone with long/fat leggs. But enjoying the wind in the chest is perty neat. After commming back over 337 to leakey we headed south on 83 to Farm 1050, for some more scenery, then we caught 470 to Bandera, and headed up rt 16 were we encountered a couple of resal hairpins that we got to slide a bit on. We got back to the INN just about the same time everyone else did, right before dark, about 300 miles later. Now time to clean up and think about dinner. The folks at the River INN put on a heck of a nice buffet, some real tender beef and chicken, then time for a little door prize action. We all had a good time we found 11 new members in our midst who joined this weekend, hello's and hats off to them! Bob Mizner had put this whole weekend togehter for us HSTA'rs, so a big TEXAS howl to him! Great job BOB! Then Sunday morning we got up packed loaded and headed back via a tourist stop in Lukkenbach, about noon it starts to drizzle, and we headed back home. Well to make a long 28 hour ride, we got in around 3 dropped off my bike and my Dad who I don't think realized what he was in for, I think dad will think twice when I say hey let's run down to Texas...... Ran Steve back up to Col. and his super hawk. I had asked Steve only a week ago if he wanted to run down there, he said he never been to Texas... so watch for a ride report from Steve Shane. The THC area is vastly different than what I am used to riding, it may remind some of Arizona. It seems odd not to see big trees, but then again what is there is still green, as we up in the Ohio valley have yellow, orange, gold, brown, and other shades of fall. The folks down yonder really enjoy this area, as we met folks from all parts of Texas, they say that the Hill Country is the only place to ride in Texas. I would prrobably agree, but then again I'd have to point out what other state is there that takes the whole day just to cross. It's a really HUGE state! The weather, was awesome, as we left in heavy clothing, beeing able to shed some of our winter clothes, and not having to plug our elctric's in. Sat. the 8th was perfect riding weather, not hot nor cold. A light sweatshirt was all one needed under your leathers. The sun was out and the roads were dry, clean and fast. If you ever get a chance to get to south Texas, you might find some wonderful roads, and some really great scenery. Well I rambled on long enough.... Life is short---Go ride! Joe Beresford AKA:cableguy@one.net CINCINNATI, OH USA!!! Fireman_Joe@CompuServe.Com Cellular 513-535-8203 ICQ-# 4172815 Honda Sport Touring Assoc. http://members.aol.com/hstawww Pacific Coast 800 http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA08130; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:34:04 -0600 (CST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:30:44 -0800 To: Roger_Prince@dg-webo.webo.dg.com From: Greg Chambers Subject: Re: PC800: '96PC vs 'XXPC Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Roger I think you can get a 97 for less than that. I'm surprised you can't get at least a couple hundred off that. Greg Chambers At 09:51 AM 11/11/97 -0500, you wrote: >Does anybody have a '96 that owned one of the earlier PCs? I'd like to >know of any differences besides color. >The '96 is still available from Honda, according to my dealer. $7600. >What prices are you aware of? > >Roger > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id WAA25518 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:38:41 -0600 (CST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:35:16 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Greg Chambers Subject: PC800: Kriss equipment and Russell seats I'm making up my Christmas list, and am anxious to know if anyone has good/bad experience with any of the following, or an alternate recommendation: 1. Kriss headlight modulator 2. Kriss "Hot Shot" (makes rear turn signals flash, then go solid when brakes are applied. 3. Kriss 4-way hazard flasher. 4. Most importantly (ie most expensively), the Russell Day-long saddle. They make one for the PC, slightly more expensive than Corbin, but custom made, technically superior (according to Russell, of course), and "satisfaction guaranteed". Does anybody have one of these? Last but not least, the RKA people say that their tank bag is superior because it actually has *three* tie down points, whereas most bags run a line under the steering system and back up and call it two points. They claim that the bags slide all over because of this (except theirs, of course). Any thoughts? Thanks for your help. I'm trying to get ready for some longer rides, and safety is always my major concern. Greg Chambers -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:56:57 -0800 From: Bob Anundson To: PC List Subject: PC800: newbie first mistakes So I have had the bike a week and half and it was time for me to create a disaster or at least a problem. I wanted to get my CB installed and well as my Widder heated vest connector. Despite warnings about getting the maintenance manual in order to get solid instructions on removing panels from the local friends who used to own PCs, I plunged ahead. Using the owner’s manual to get at the fuse holder for the lights, horns, etc, I removed the vent and then tried to remove the left side panel. The lower rear attachment was a little resistant and I broke the stud as I pulled it off. In retrospect I concluded the tab at rear of the panel adds enough resistance that I pulled in a leveraged rearward motion as to cause the breakage. Next time I will use a long screw driver to pop the connection (I have a really long one). Anyway damn poor engineering on Honda’s part in my opinion: damn poor owner’s manual instructions to boot. Damn stupid owner for not listen to his friends. Fortunately stud didn’t completely break-off. I decide to see if my boating experience and West System epoxy would bail me out. For those that aren’t sailboats or ex-ones like me, this is the most expensive but best stuff on the face of the planet. But I had a lot left over from that other hobby. I bought my wife a beat up Helix as her training bike and with it got the plastic back in reasonable shape with that epoxy. It seems to have also worked on Ko Ko San, my PC, stud although only time will tell. When I reinstalled the panel I shot a bunch of Pledge Wax at the rubber retainers to make it easier to pop them again. Sad the customer has to try all this stuff. I might go back and reinforce all the tabs and studs with a combination of epoxy and fiberglass. For now I just used it as glue. After that I wanted to figure out how to tap into the power for my CB. Not having an cigar lighter socket or accessory socket is a bummer. My short term solution was to cram a wire down the head light socket for the fuse and then cram the fuse back into the same socket being very careful not to short across the fuse leads. In the long term, if I ever get to it, will be to mount an additional fuse box and bring the an additional lead from the input to the 30 amp block forward (input side). That way the CB is off the ignition switch and won’t lose the CB channel every time the power is switched off. Anyway I bought the leads from the fuse block up to throught the hole in the left hand fairing compartment and the wire are thin enough that I can close lid without making in holes in the lid. I mount my Maxon handheld with velcro on the front panel and will use the rubber duck antenna until I can figure out the mounting for something more effective. As for the Widder connection I have temporarily connected the positive lead to the 30 amp block connector at the rear/right hand screw and then connected the ground to a bolt near by on the frame. I bought a Seadog accessory socket (cigar lighter socket) at the local Marine store and will bring a power lead forward near the other fuse block and use that in the future instead of the current setup. Regards, Bob Anundson -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com by mrin38.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id BAA00176 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 01:16:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 01:16:59 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: pc800 Hi All: In a message dated 97-11-11 20:33:53 EST, Tim writes: << It really is not big enough for long tours and I wish > it had a bit more handling and engine performance. Unless I am talked > into keeping it, I will consider trading it in on lets say a Kaw > Concours or something in the same class with better performance. I > welcome feedback. >> How big does it need to be for long tours? It's bigger, heavier, handles much better, and is much more comfortable than my old GL, and if you add a GIVI top case, it holds more stuff. It works great on multi-kilomile tours. The only things a Concours has going for it is a big gas tank and a strong engine (if you rev the heck out of it), and that enigne buzzes so badly that I can't wait to get off the beast after a very short while. If you really need more power, then the ST is a better way to go, although it too can get a bit buzzy at times. I second Spencer's comments about the handling issue. If your PC can't at least hang with a Concours in the twisties, there is either something wrong with it or with the way you're riding it. IMO, stick with the PC long enough to fully understand and appreciate its really phenomenal capabilities. The longer I ride mine, the better it seems to get and the less I see in other machines that tempts me to spend a lot of money to get. I do lust mightily after that new VFR800 with FI and LBS, but it would not even come close to replacing my PC or my Hawk GT. They are both just too good at what they do. No; the VFR (if I were rich enough) would simply be another great motorcycle in my already-too-full garages. JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com by mrin83.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id BAA11628 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 01:16:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 01:16:50 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Traitor in our mist. Hi, All: In a message dated 97-11-11 13:02:56 EST, Hal writes: << With the extra range of the HUGE fuel tank the extra speed and Sport bike handling, you are at your destination soooo much faster that you don't notice hardly any inconvenience. :-) >> I have no problem with the ST. It is a great bike. The extra gas is nice, especially in the wilderness of the northland. But I ride a lot with folks on STs, and except for extended straight runs where they can use their higher top speed (if they really want to run well in excess of the ton, which they almost never do for long), I have no trouble staying with them. (Well, errrr, that is not absolutely true. There are rare times when their greater acceleration allows them to pass when I can't) And I really have yet to see or experience the alleged advantage in the handling department. The PC doesn't seem to have any trouble maintaining the same cornering speeds. Hey Bryce, you have both machines (plus a VFR). How about an objective comparison along these lines? Under what conditions/circumstances do you find the ST clearly superior to the PC in the sport-touring performance department? JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:29:30 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mike Whited" To: , "Greg Chambers" Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: '96PC vs 'XXPC Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 06:19:35 -0500 When I bought my ' 94 in Sept ' 94 the dealer knocked $ 1000 off. From $ 6999 to $ 5999 ---------- > From: Greg Chambers > To: Roger_Prince@dg-webo.webo.dg.com > Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: PC800: '96PC vs 'XXPC > Date: Tuesday, November 11, 1997 10:30 PM > > Roger > > I think you can get a 97 for less than that. I'm surprised you can't get at > least a couple hundred off that. > > Greg Chambers > > At 09:51 AM 11/11/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Does anybody have a '96 that owned one of the earlier PCs? I'd like to > >know of any differences besides color. > >The '96 is still available from Honda, according to my dealer. $7600. > >What prices are you aware of? > > > >Roger > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 06:48:16 -0500 From: Hal MacDonald To: Greg Chambers CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, info@rka-luggage.com Subject: Re: PC800: Kriss equipment and Russell seats Hi Greg; Please see my comments inserted in the body of your post.. Greg Chambers wrote: > > I'm making up my Christmas list, and am anxious to know if anyone has > good/bad experience with any of the following, or an alternate recommendation: > > 1. Kriss headlight modulator > > 2. Kriss "Hot Shot" (makes rear turn signals flash, then go solid when > brakes are applied. > > 3. Kriss 4-way hazard flasher. I have done a lot of checking and talking to other bikers and they all without exception endorse the quality of Kriss products. The bit of extra expence is OK by me if the quality is there. In addition to quality, their products _DO_ comply with all North American regulations (US DOT that is the basis reference of Canadian and Mexican regs.) I am ordering the same three this winter for my bike. > 4. Most importantly (ie most expensively), the Russell Day-long saddle. > They make one for the PC, slightly more expensive than Corbin, but > custom made, technically superior (according to Russell, of course), > and "satisfaction guaranteed". Does anybody have one of these? I have not seen one but again referral by others who have the seat say that it is excellent. Wanda Bailey has visited their plant and had good comments on workmanship etc. on the seat for her SO's bike. I will be ordering mine in the next two weeks for delivery in April. I have heard it suggested that you get the rain cover if you are ordering the Leather seat that I want. You can ride the bike with this cover on. > Last but not least, the RKA people say that their tank bag is superior > because it actually has *three* tie down points, whereas most bags run a > line under the steering system and back up and call it two points. They > claim that the bags slide all over because of this (except theirs, of > course). Any thoughts? I bought the RKA tank bag for the ST1100 from RKA and am VERY happy for a couple of reasons. The map case is the pest that I have seen (.020 mil Lexan) and the bag stays put up to 110 MPH. That is the fastest I have gone on the bike (and then only for a short spurt) I did look very briefly at the bag and felt it to check movement. I bought their saddle bag inserts as well and along with 4 other riders at the STOC meet checked them over for quality. None of us found a single flaw in material or workmanship. The only comments were positive ie " a lot of thought has gone into design...look at this." Lastly, dealing with Richard at RKA and later his Wife Kathy was great. They were both totally familiar with their products (something you don't always get when phoning suppliers). In addition they were very pleasant, and took the effort to determine what I wanted the tank bag for and actually advised me to take a smaller less expensive bag to suit my needs. A real refreshing attitude change from what we often get. I was promised delivery to coincide with a rally in N. Carolina and it was there when I arrived. It had come one day before, exactly as promised. I have heard and certainly believe that they will stand behind their products 100% +. My $02 or $03 worth. I am not in any way affiliated with any of the above vendors except as customer. Hal MacDonald Ajax, Ont. Canada STOC, HRCA, HSTA, MMIC > Thanks for your help. I'm trying to get ready for some longer rides, and > safety is always my major concern. > > Greg Chambers > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 12 Nov 1997 09:52:19 -0500 From: "Ted Gerarden" Subject: RE: PC800: Delusions of Color To: pilewis1@concentric.net, "Tom Garbacik" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Boy, I thought I was riding a cool color until I learned it is "blushing" red instead of candy apple red! _______________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: pilewis1@concentric.net on Fri, Nov 7, 1997 2:09 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Delusions of Color To: Tom Garbacik Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Tom Garbacik wrote: > > In the beginning there was pearl white . . . > and it was such a nice color that the PC became self-conscious and began to blush and so..... was created the '90 blushing red................. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ gizmo.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAB00538; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:44:29 -0600 Fri, 07 Nov 1997 13:05:31 -0600 (CST) sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA18262 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:05:23 -0600 (CST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 11:02:30 -0800 From: Phil Lewis To: Tom Garbacik CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Delusions of Color -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 06:55:53 -0800 From: Phil Lewis To: Ted Gerarden CC: Tom Garbacik , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Delusions of Color Ted Gerarden wrote: > > Boy, I thought I was riding a cool color until I learned it is "blushing" red instead of candy apple red! "Sorry 'bout that, Chief!!" I couldn't figure out how to work in "candy apple red" in the story! Let's see.... in the beginning there was pearl white, and then in the garden of eden there was this apple.... oh well, I'd better keep working on it!!! :-) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:39:49 -0800 From: frans klaus To: Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Think about me Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com wrote: > > when some of you guys are riding today. For me I look out the window > watching the snow fall. > R Ries > Chaska, MN > So what stops you? Last winter there were some days I did not use the PC800, but only because I did not have to go to my job that day, or for the reason that my wife would pick me up after closing time to go somewhere together. As long as there is no ice on the road and the temperature is higher than -15 °C I use the bike; it takes me under onde hour for the 61 km. Public transport or the car would take a minimum of 100 minutes. Greetings frans klaus Zoelmond, The Netherlands -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jeroen van Vuure" To: "PC800 owners club" Subject: Re: PC800: Cold winter Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:42:27 +0100 It was not that cold here Roger, but for a dutch winter it was cold, to cold for me to drive anyway. ---------- > Van: Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com > Aan: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Onderwerp: Re: PC800: Cold winter > Datum: dinsdag 11 november 1997 17:25 > > > >The dutch winters are normally very rainy and not very cold, but last year > >we had a very cold winter. I hope that we don't get that again. > >Jeroen van Vuure > >Hoorn, Holland > > I had to laugh a little about a very cold winter. It gets cold out in > Minnesota but a good test to see if it's very cold is to do the following. > Put boiling water in a cup, go outside and tose the water from the cup high > into the air. If the water disappears before it hits the ground it is very > cold. This I know because I had the opportunity to do this a couple of > times last year. > Later, > R Ries > Chaska, MN > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mashaw@mindspring.com (Monty Shaw) To: Greg Chambers , PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Kriss equipment and Russell seats Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:33:19 GMT >From Greg Chambers Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:35:16 -0800 See my comments in/after your email. - ]Monty[ "I'm making up my Christmas list, and am anxious to know if anyone has "good/bad experience with any of the following, or an alternate recommendation: " "1. Kriss headlight modulator I have this and it works great. It was pretty easy to install too. " "2. Kriss "Hot Shot" (makes rear turn signals flash, then go solid when "brakes are applied. I have the Rump Lights kit and it works and was easy to install "3. Kriss 4-way hazard flasher. ditto on this. Although this took a little more wiring and mods on my part. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mskrocki@meldrum.com Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 12:38:26 est To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: PC Cruise Control? I found this web site last month: http://www.dnet.net/~pemble/ The company manufactures electronic cruise controls for motorcycles. These are not throttle locks, but cruise controls that vary speed up and down hills (just like on a Goldwing). They currently support only a few bikes (including ST1100, VFR750 for Honda), but more are indicated to come. I sent them this email on the 20th of October: Was wondering if the Electronic Cruise Control shown on your web site could be adapted to work on a Honda Pacific Coast (PC800). If so, I know of a few owners who would be willing to purchase one. ________________________________________________________________________________ I received this reply today: Mark, sorry for the delay in answering your inquiry about the Cruise Control for your PC. The kits are very bike specific and therefore not adaptable to other bikes. As of now, the PC has not been fitted. It is dependent upon how many inquiries that we have for it, and the availability of the bike in Australia. I have passed your interest in a PC unit to the factory, and their response was favorable. I'll keep in touch with you if something develops. Thanks, Rob - Sport Touring Accessories ________________________________________________________________________________ Now if your interested, email them at this address: pemble@dnet.net And tell them that you want a crusie control for the PC. If enough of us show interest, worldwide, maybe we can move ther R&D ahaed on a PC unit. Enjoy the ride. Mark Skrocki Sandra & Mark Skrocki 89 PC800 "Jackson (The Driveway Dancer)" hers 85 VF1100S "Almighty (Hopalong) Aphrodite" his Shaker Hts., OH mskrocki@meldrum.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bob Ray" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: PC Cruise Control? Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:11:57 -0600 Mark Skrocki writes: > > The company manufactures electronic cruise controls for motorcycles. These are > not throttle locks, but cruise controls that vary speed up and down hills (just > like on a Goldwing). They currently support only a few bikes (including ST1100, > VFR750 for Honda), but more are indicated to come. > A friend of mine (Don Moses, ST1100 rider) has bought this unit and is installing it over the winter. I'll ask him if he thinks it could be installed on a PC... Apparently, the cruise-control unit is an automotive unit which adjusts the throttle cable to maintain a set speed. The bike-specific parts are the sensors that are mounted on the rear wheel. Bob Ray -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:28:27 PT From: "PETER NOETH, SR. SYSTEMS ENGINEER, SFO DEV. X5567" Subject: Re: PC800: '96PC vs 'XXPC To: Roger_Prince@dg-webo.webo.dg.com Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu /FONT=Courier-Bold/LINES=66/LEFT_MARGIN=36/CALCULATE/TOP_MARGIN=36/BOTTOM_MARGIN=36 I paid $8000 + tax + licence for my new '96 in July of this year at Honda of Milpitas in CA. $7600 is even better, they may be trying to clear the warehouse out of '96 models in preperation for the new '98 and some dealers may be more motivated. I would jump on that!! Regards, Peter '96 PC800 1200 miles and loving every minuite. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:27:55 -0500 From: "Dana L. Sawyer" Subject: PC800: Aerostich suit for sale To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Cc: HSTA Postings to List FOR SALE - One-piece Aerostich Roadcrafter suit, size 32 (ladies), blue with dark blue ballistics. For short, small woman 5'2" or 5"3". Condition - Absolutely as brand new. Worn only a few times. Save over $20= 0. Price - $450. Dana & Lynn Sawyer, 803/781-4293. P.S. I've already sold mine! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:00:46 -0800 From: Phil Lewis To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Message to consumers from PC Rider/Phil Lewis Please allow me to use this list to help inform people on my experience and opinion on Sager-Midern Computers. This doesn't relate to our PC Motorcycles, but hopefully it will save someone a costly mistake in a computer purchase. Please forward the following letter to as many addresses as you feel might benefit from having this information. Thank you, Phil Lewis '90 PC So. Cal. ------------------------------------- TO: The General Public ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Philip Lewis-consumer ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Recommend Don't Buy Sager/Midern Computers I purchased a laptop computer, model 9500, 486 dx 4-100, on September 11th, 1995. From that date until now, I have had problems with the following items: 1) faulty 256k external cache memory board; 2) faulty cd-rom drive; 3) faulty LCD screen; ) faulty internal cooling fan; and finally 5) FAULTY LCD SCREEN -VIDEO OUTPUT. THIS IS THE CURRENT AND FINAL PROBLEM. All of the previous problems, EXCEPT NUMBER 5, occurred during the first year after purchase. My latest problem is a video fault. When I brought the computer in for repair, the LCD screen (or external monitor, if connected at the same time) blanked out after only a few moments of use. Sometimes, it would work for longer periods of time. Now my computer has been returned to me with a different problem. Now the LCD screen is completely unusable. It lights up, but the screen is blank-white. Now an external monitor output works. Customer service advised me that my computer needs a new LCD screen at a cost of approximately $1200. My Sager computer came with a 1 year warranty. Since the computer is now over 2 years old, and obsolete by today's standards, the repair cost is unjustifiable, and so the computer is now just trash. For a company to produce a product with only a 2-YEAR life is unnacceptalble. The service that was performed WHILE THE COMPUTER WAS UNDER warranty, was, in my opinion, both slow and inadequate. The faulty cd-rom took over 2 weeks to be replaced. The original problem the with LCD screen, which occurred on April 3rd, 1996, resulted in the wrong screen being installed. This was not corrected until May 17th, 1996. The repair time, approximately 6 weeks after the first problem. On the previously stated problems, the 256k cache memory has worked only occasionally in the last year, and finally had to be deactivated. The CD-ROM, MPEG, player has worked poorly in the last year with poor video quality (constant video drop-outs). The cooling fan, however, has worked properly since being replaced. Since my computer is out-of-warranty, I was advised that there is only one technician who handles out of warranty work and that it would be 6 to 7 days to report back on a repair estimate. That turned out to 10 days, and only after my constant calling. Also, the customer service number is 1-818-964-4849. If you call this number, there is a very good chance you will only get an answering machine. You will then have to leave a message and wait for Sager to call you back. If you can't wait around by your phone all day, you could end up playing answering machine tag. That is what happened to me until I gave Sager my cellular phone number. There is no other way that I know of to contact customer service. In conclusion, I can only state that in my opinion, I would never buy another Sager computer. The quality of the product that I received and the poor customer support that I received, over the last two years, are, once again in my opinion, completely unacceptable. Please feel free to e-mail any questions that you might have to pilewis1@concentric.net. I hope I've been of help to any consumers who might have computer buying questions. Sincerely, Philip I. Lewis Airline Pilot First Officer Boeing 767 -------------------------------------- POSTSCRIPT After faxing Sager management of my decision to inform consumers of my opinion on their products, I was offered the chance to have a new LCD screen installed in my computer for approximately $600. After considering the problems that I've had, putting in another $600 into a computer in which I feel will only develop other or similar problems in the near future, is a bad idea. Therefore, I have rejected their offer. I leave it up to you, informed consumers, as to whether or not it is a good idea to buy a product from Sager-Midern Computers. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jfmoemd@aol.com by mrin38.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id TAA23786; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:36:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:36:25 -0500 (EST) To: greg501@ix.netcom.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Kriss equipment and Russell seats My suggestion for the Christmas list is, "All of the Above!" John in Indy -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jfmoemd@aol.com by mrin86.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id TAA24409; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:43:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:43:36 -0500 (EST) To: cableguy@one.net, cb750@canadaweb.com cc: hallbh@ucbeh.san.uc.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: FW: Tyson on a Motorcycle??? I hope this is not serious. If that no-good bum Tyson is in the motorcycling world it is just about enough for me to leave it. The man is totally contemptible and lower than the lowest. Arrgh!! John in Indy -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:29:34 -0800 From: Eric Matthews To: Jfmoemd@aol.com CC: cableguy@one.net, cb750@canadaweb.com, hallbh@ucbeh.san.uc.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: FW: Tyson on a Motorcycle??? --------------271F7C0E4DE95F4DC3DF07C4 Relax John, we all wear helmets, so he can't get to our ears! E. Jfmoemd@aol.com wrote: > I hope this is not serious. > > If that no-good bum Tyson is in the motorcycling world it is just about > enough for me to leave it. The man is totally contemptible and lower than > the lowest. > > Arrgh!! > > John in Indy -- _______________________________ MaxLumen Graphics and Web Design Eric Matthews 714.757.1823 mailto:maxlumen@aol.com http://members.aol.com/maxlumen _______________________________ --------------271F7C0E4DE95F4DC3DF07C4 Content-Description: Card for Matthews, Eric begin: vcard fn: Matthews, Eric n: Eric;Matthews, org: MaxLumen Design email;internet: ericeric@concentric.net tel;work: 714.757.1823 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: TRUE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------271F7C0E4DE95F4DC3DF07C4-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MVerVelde@aol.com by mrin85.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA13565; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:21:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:21:47 -0500 (EST) To: PETER_N1@sfov1.verifone.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: '96PC vs 'XXPC In a message dated 97-11-12 14:36:16 EST, you write: << I paid $8000 + tax + licence for my new '96 in July of this year at Honda of Milpitas in CA. >> When I was looking for my first PC this past spring, I checked out Honda of Milpitas. Also checked out a dealership in Sacramento, and Honda Motor Sports in Stockton. Found that the new PC's (both new 96's.) were a couple hundred dollars cheaper at the Stockton store, plus the tax is less than in the bay area. I ended up finding a used 90 at that time for a bargain.... Mike V Stockton, CA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:37:21 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: FW: Tyson on a Motorcycle??? John in Indy wrote: >I hope this is not serious. > >If that no-good bum Tyson is in the motorcycling world it is just about >enough for me to leave it. The man is totally contemptible and lower than >the lowest. > >Arrgh!! > >John in Indy Well, it wasn't completely serious...but Mike Tyson does own a few motorcycles, and he was stopped in Connecticut recently by the local police, and he was charged ($75 I think) for not having a license. When he was stopped, he produced his Nevada state drivers license, which does not allow him to drive a motorcycle in CT. I can't remember why he was originally stopped though. It was mentionned in the newspaper article, but I can't remember what it was. Anybody here know? fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:26:55 -0500 From: Jason To: Jfmoemd@aol.com CC: cableguy@one.net, cb750@canadaweb.com, hallbh@ucbeh.san.uc.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: FW: Tyson on a Motorcycle??? He is "into" motorcycling. He has a few bikes, and the information regarding his accident was quasi-true. He was in an accident in the Hartford area as described, but indicators are that he veered too close to the motorcyclist next to him. Most of the article is humor. I found it very amusing. Jfmoemd@aol.com wrote: > I hope this is not serious. > > If that no-good bum Tyson is in the motorcycling world it is just about > enough for me to leave it. The man is totally contemptible and lower > than > the lowest. > > Arrgh!! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:29:16 -0600 From: Steve Wilson To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: Prices The 95 PC I bought used in Aug. was purchased new in April, 1997 at Mckinney Honda in Ruston La. for $6995. It was traded in 2 months later on a four-wheeler and I bought it for $5200 with 267 miles on it. Just goes to show not all PC owners are as intelligent as others nor can we all be in the right place at the right time to steal such a great bike at such a great price. The only problem I am having is convincing my lovely wife that she needs to loose about 50 pounds so her and I won't over load the bike. She let me know that she was not going to weigh 80 pounds just to ride with me. I guess I'll have to keep watching McKinneys for another PC for her. Stay warm all. Steve W. Ruston LA. 95 PC/800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:14:04 -0600 From: Steve Wilson To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: as in OFF THE --------------1ABD6524C9F3787C401277E6 Judging from the frequency and content of recent mail I assume a little off the subject humor would be acceptable. All the stir crazy riders might enjoy the note my neighbor sent to me months ago and that I recently unearthed while doing a little hard drive house cleaning. Don't let her hear you laughing too loud or she may put you and the bike both out in the cold. Steve W Ruston LA. 95 pc/800 --------------1ABD6524C9F3787C401277E6 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 18:36:31 -0600 From: Alvin Ray Hair To: deere@linknet.net Subject: WIFE 1.0 WIFE 1.0 Last year a friend of mine upgraded GirlFriend 1.0 to Wife 1.0 and found that it's a memory hog leaving very little system resources for other applications. He is only now noticing that Wife 1.0 also is spawning Child-Processes which are further consuming valuable resources. No mention of this particular phenomena was included in the product brochure or the documentation, though other users have informed him that this is to be expected due to the nature of the application. Not only that, Wife 1.0 installs itself such that it is always launched at system initialization where it can monitor all other system activity. He's finding that some applications such as PokerNight 10.3, BeerBash 2.5, and PubNight 7.0 are no longer able to run in the system at all, crashing the system when selected (even though they always worked fine before). At installation, Wife 1.0 provides no option as to the installation of undesired Plug-Ins such as MotherInLaw 55.8 and BrotherInLaw Beta release. Also, system performance seems to diminish with each passing day. Some features he'd like to see in the upcoming wife 2.0. - A "Don't remind me again" button - Minimize button - An install shield feature that allows Wife 2.0 to be installed with the option to uninstall at anytime without the loss of cache and other system resources. - An option to run the network driver in promiscuous mode which would allow the systems hardware probe feature to be much more useful. I myself decided to avoid all of the headaches associated with Wife 1.0 by sticking with Girlfriend 2.0. Even here, however, I found many problems. Apparently you cannot install Girlfriend 2.0 on top of Girlfriend 1.0. You must uninstall Girlfriend 1.0 first. Other users say this is a long standing bug which I should have been aware of. Apparently the versions of Girlfriend have conflicts over shared use of the I/O port. You think they would have fixed such a stupid bug by now. To make matters worse, The uninstall program for Girlfriend 1.0 doesn't work very well leaving undesirable traces of the application in the system. Another thing that sucks -- all versions of Girlfriend continually popup little annoying messages about the advantages of upgrading to Wife 1.0 *************** BUG WARNING *************** Wife 1.0 has an undocumented bug. If you try to install Mistress 1.1 before uninstalling Wife 1.0, Wife 1.0 will delete MSMoney files before doing the uninstall itself. Then Mistress 1.1 will refuse to install, claiming insufficient resources. *************** BUG WORK-AROUNDS *************** To avoid the above bug, try installing Mistress 1.1 on a different system and never run any file transfer applications such as Laplink 6.0. Also, beware of similar shareware applications that have been known to carry viruses that may affect Wife 1.0. Another solution would be to run Mistress 1.0 via a UseNet provider under an anonymous name. Here again, beware of the viruses which can accidently be downloaded from the UseNet. --------------1ABD6524C9F3787C401277E6-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:19:26 -0800 From: Alan Taylor To: Steve Wilson , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Prices Steve Wilson wrote: > . The only problem I am having is convincing my > lovely wife that she needs to loose about 50 pounds so her and I won't > over load the bike. She let me know that she was not going to weigh 80 > pounds just to ride with me. I guess I'll have to keep watching > McKinneys for another PC for her. Stay warm all. Much as I love my PC, I am not so foolhardy as to suggest that my wife lose weight to ride with me, or even to ask for her actual weight. Set the shock on high, inflate the rear tire to 40psi, and stock some spare axle bolts. I know some of you will raise the issue of safety. When I write this, safety is my number one concern. The risk of an accident may increase by riding overloaded. the risk of grievous bodily harm as a result of suggesting that my darling wife is the cause of said overloading is much greater. :-) I know what you mean about keeping warm. it barely got up to 70 today. Alan Taylor 95 pc800 "Midnight" Long Beach, CA. > > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA24467 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:30:03 -0600 (CST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:26:51 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Greg Chambers Subject: Re: PC800: FW: Tyson on a Motorcycle??? >From: Jfmoemd@aol.com >Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:43:36 -0500 (EST) >To: cableguy@one.net, cb750@canadaweb.com >cc: hallbh@ucbeh.san.uc.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Re: PC800: FW: Tyson on a Motorcycle??? > Come'on, John, stop beating around the bush and tell us how you really feel! - Greg >I hope this is not serious. > >If that no-good bum Tyson is in the motorcycling world it is just about >enough for me to leave it. The man is totally contemptible and lower than >the lowest. > >Arrgh!! > >John in Indy >-- > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:30:33 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Prices Alan Taylor wrote: > >I know what you mean about keeping warm. it barely got up to 70 today. > Ouch ! Where I live, when we say it almost got up to twenty, we mean 'inches'. I like your meaning better ! fsl :-) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:23:13 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:22:40 -0500 From: "J. MARK VENABLE" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: RE:Tyson on a Motorcycle??? Tyson was involved in an accident in the Hartford area and suffered a punctured lung. He was cited for not having a motorcycle license and fined. I never thought about wearing my helmet to protect my ears from other motorcyclists. I like the image of him racing on a Goldwing trike, stereo blasting. Nobody would "dis" the champ then! :) Mark Venable 90' PC "This End Up" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >John in Indy wrote: >>I hope this is not serious. >> >>If that no-good bum Tyson is in the motorcycling world it is just about >>enough for me to leave it. The man is totally contemptible and lower than >>the lowest. >> >>Arrgh!! >> >>John in Indy >Well, it wasn't completely serious...but Mike Tyson does own a few >motorcycles, and he was stopped in Connecticut recently by the local >police, and he was charged ($75 I think) for not having a license. When he >was stopped, he produced his Nevada state drivers license, which does not >allow him to drive a motorcycle in CT. >I can't remember why he was originally stopped though. It was mentionned in >the newspaper article, but I can't remember what it was. Anybody here >know? >Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 >Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 13 Nov 1997 10:05:39 -0500 From: "Ted Gerarden" Subject: RE: PC800: Prices To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "Steve Wilson" I think I know who should lose the 50 lbs! _______________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Steve Wilson on Wed, Nov 12, 1997 11:31 PM Subject: PC800: Prices To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu The 95 PC I bought used in Aug. was purchased new in April, 1997 at Mckinney Honda in Ruston La. for $6995. It was traded in 2 months later on a four-wheeler and I bought it for $5200 with 267 miles on it. Just goes to show not all PC owners are as intelligent as others nor can we all be in the right place at the right time to steal such a great bike at such a great price. The only problem I am having is convincing my lovely wife that she needs to loose about 50 pounds so her and I won't over load the bike. She let me know that she was not going to weigh 80 pounds just to ride with me. I guess I'll have to keep watching McKinneys for another PC for her. Stay warm all. Steve W. Ruston LA. 95 PC/800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ gizmo.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAB18906; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:06:55 -0600 Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:27:59 -0600 (CST) sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA12199 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:27:53 -0600 (CST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:29:16 -0600 From: Steve Wilson To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: Prices -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:17:14 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John Scalisi" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:13:32 -0400 Subject: PC800: Tyson Tyson wasn't stopped. He had an accident on his motorcycle. Fractured his ribs and punctured a lung. He didn't know that at the time of the accident and went home. Later when he could barely breathe, he went to the hospital and reported the accident. Upon investigating, the police realized he wasn't licensed to ride and issued him a citation. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 13 Nov 1997 10:16:36 -0500 From: "Ted Gerarden" Subject: RE: PC800: RE:Tyson on a Motorcycle??? To: "J. MARK VENABLE" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu You mean the "chump," don't you? _______________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: J. MARK VENABLE on Thu, Nov 13, 1997 9:29 AM Subject: PC800: RE:Tyson on a Motorcycle??? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Tyson was involved in an accident in the Hartford area and suffered a punctured lung. He was cited for not having a motorcycle license and fined. I never thought about wearing my helmet to protect my ears from other motorcyclists. I like the image of him racing on a Goldwing trike, stereo blasting. Nobody would "dis" the champ then! :) Mark Venable 90' PC "This End Up" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >John in Indy wrote: >>I hope this is not serious. >> >>If that no-good bum Tyson is in the motorcycling world it is just about >>enough for me to leave it. The man is totally contemptible and lower than >>the lowest. >> >>Arrgh!! >> >>John in Indy >Well, it wasn't completely serious...but Mike Tyson does own a few >motorcycles, and he was stopped in Connecticut recently by the local >police, and he was charged ($75 I think) for not having a license. When he >was stopped, he produced his Nevada state drivers license, which does not >allow him to drive a motorcycle in CT. >I can't remember why he was originally stopped though. It was mentionned in >the newspaper article, but I can't remember what it was. Anybody here >know? >Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 >Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ gizmo.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAB20553; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:02:57 -0600 Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:23:59 -0600 (CST) sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA18555 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:23:53 -0600 (CST) with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:23:13 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:22:40 -0500 From: "J. MARK VENABLE" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: RE:Tyson on a Motorcycle??? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:35:56 -0600 Subject: PC800: Tyson c The Associated Press HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) - Mike Tyson can't seem to catch a break. The 31-year-old former heavyweight champion punctured a lung and broke a rib when he took a spill on his motorcycle and yet wound up with a $77 ticket for not having a license to operate it. Police said Thursday that the Nevada driver's license Tyson was carrying during the accident the night before was not valid for motorcycles. Doctors put a tube in Tyson's punctured right lung to reinflate it and said he should recover fully within six weeks. The Nevada State Athletic Commission voted to revoke Tyson's boxing license and issue him a $3 million fine for taking a bite out of Evander Holyfield's ear during a bout in June. AP-NY-10-31-97 0653EST He said the incident was ``pretty embarrassing.'' The accident occurred Wednesday afternoon as Tyson and some friends were riding motorcycles to his mansion in suburban Farmington. They passed the exit for Farmington and were on a highway ramp in Manchester, trying to turn around, when Tyson's 1,100 cc Honda drifted too close to a friend's motorcycle. Holloway said Tyson went to stop, but the front wheel hit some sand or gravel and ``the bike just slipped out from under him.'' The motorcycle fell on the pavement on its right side, causing minor damage. A state police trooper gave Tyson a ride to his Farmington home. He decided to seek medical attention a few hours later, after talking with his personal doctor. Police fined Tyson $77 from the accident, saying he did not have a motorcycle license. AP-NY-10-31-97 1740EST -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by LATTE.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-8 #16781) 13 Nov 1997 09:36:22 CST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:36:09 +0000 From: Chris Powless Subject: Re: PC800: Tyson To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, John Scalisi Reply-to: APowless@LATTE.MEMPHIS.EDU Comments: Authenticated sender is Who Cares????? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:13:32 -0400 From: John Scalisi Subject: PC800: Tyson To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Tyson wasn't stopped. He had an accident on his motorcycle. Fractured his ribs and punctured a lung. He didn't know that at the time of the accident and went home. Later when he could barely breathe, he went to the hospital and reported the accident. Upon investigating, the police realized he wasn't licensed to ride and issued him a citation. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Chris Powless Records Section, Department of Human Resources University of Memphis telephone 901-678-2888 fax 901-678-5350 http://www.memphis.edu -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:52:45 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Cheryl L. Johnson" Subject: PC800: The Lucky Winner is.......... The winner of the Motorcycle Consumer News subscription is James B. Laverty. FYI, there were 14 entries, pretty decent odds, for a lottery. Cheryl pulled the winning entry out of my lucky Miami Dolphins hat, held over her head so she couldn't see. All fair and square. Hope you enjoy the subscription as much as I do, James. MCN is the only mag I renew lately, as I have become disenchanted with the pervasive advertising in most magazines today. I don't mind the ads so much, but it's become a hassle just to find the table of contents anymore. Bill Johnson 89PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:41:31 -0800 From: Bob Anundson To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: The Lucky Winner is.......... Cheryl L. Johnson wrote: > The winner of the Motorcycle Consumer News subscription is > James B. Laverty. FYI, there were 14 entries, pretty decent > odds, for a lottery. Cheryl pulled the winning entry out of my > lucky Miami Dolphins hat, held over her head so she couldn't > see. All fair and square. Hope you enjoy the subscription as > much as I do, James. MCN is the only mag I renew lately, as > I have become disenchanted with the pervasive advertising in > most magazines today. I don't mind the ads so much, but it's > become a hassle just to find the table of contents anymore. > Bill Johnson > 89PC800 I agree that this is the best of the magazines and considering that the only one that has done a review of the PC800 (believe July) very relevant to this group. I think you were pretty generous for the offer. Regard, Bob > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id ShN29255; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:01:30 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: FW: Tyson on a Motorcycle??? From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:01:30 EST Sent via jocknet to juno at boston/ma/34177leaderhead/windsong@scape.com/ 11°13°97:1715 HRS EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ironman1@jocknet.com To: Rocheux@juno.com Rocky it been a long time since we seen each other and longer yet since we sparred so I got to aks a favor. I got this poop forwarded to me by some concerned brother you know and I know you said you on this pcnet so I want to aks you if you forward this thing for me as it comes back unauthorized to post or some shit like that. I do be wanten to bite off some more ear meat from wise punks who be jivin around on my name you know that. I said it enough that it just came over me like an animal impulse to bite Evander on the< ear I never schemed on it beforehand it like happens before I know it with all the adrnelan= flow and all you know--and you can tell your doc collegue buddy to lighten up or < I be punchin>> some around there becuz i do be getin to that indy town now&then. I got to see that indan chef it looks real good but sorry to hear you got rid your Harley. So thanks for the forward> and i be callin you next time To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: Greg Chambers , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Kriss equipment and Russell seats Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:41:58 -0800 1. Kriss headlight modulator No experience. 2. Kriss "Hot Shot" (makes rear turn signals flash, then go solid when brakes are applied. These really work! The module is really small and should be able to fit in a variety of places on the PC. Might I suggest on the left, just in front of the trunk bulkhead? It's an easy place to get to when you open the trunk lid. I have the unit on my ST and was thinking about putting it on my commuter, the PC800. Drivers really notice it. 3. Kriss 4-way hazard flasher. Got this too on the ST. Very handy while I'm on tour as I pull over to check/change maps or change my clothing. It's a simple task and the unit delivers. A note about Kriss though. My 4-way unit failed to function when delivered. This was returned for repair but after a month they had not returned it. When I called they found my paperwork but couldn't find the unit. After describing what it looked like (I had shortened the wires a great deal) they found it. I was very disturbed that I had to call to work this situation out. They had my paperswork but never took the initiative to call me, explain the situation, and see what could be done. They never really said they were sorry nor did they really acknowledge they did anything wrong. I had my part in a couple of days but who knows how long I would have been waiting had I not called. I also purchased an Amp-u-Tron which displays air temp, amps, and volts. The amp-u-tron tested out fine before installation but after we got the bike running we found that the unit readings fluctuated a great deal. I'm not saying a bit here and there, I'm talking about wide swings every couple of seconds! Ex. air temp: 68.2 degrees for 2 seconds, a moment where it will read 12 degress, and then jumps back to 68.2 or so. Same goes for the amp and volt readings. I called the company to discuss the problems and there were not eager to accept any blame, especially when I told them I installed it on an ST instead of a Gold Wing as it was designed for. They first said that my bike must have a wildly fluctuating electrical system. I explained that it did not AND had been tested with a top-of-the-line Fluke meter. Volts were steady, amps were steady. Not even a micro-fluctuation. They next blamed it on a noisy electrical system (the problem only occurs when the bike is running). I said that might be possible and if so I was very disappointed with there equipment. Bikes are noisy to begin with and they should ensure that their design isn't sensitive to such things. I debated with them some more saying that I had almost no noise on my CD/Intercom and that the ABS computer on the bike obviously had no trouble with interference. They continued to avoid any blame and weren't the least bit interested in finding a resolution. Because the unit is already installed in such a way that removal isn't fun, I'm waiting till later this winter to go back and fully test the unit and noise-level on the bike. Once we have the evidence that the bike is really quite fine and that the unit I have sucks, I'll go back to them and ask for another plus an apology. I'd throw in the towel all together but I really need the equipment and it's still actually functions. The fluctuations are annoying but I still usable. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jfmoemd@aol.com by mrin79.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id TAA14916; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:21:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:21:48 -0500 (EST) To: VENABJM@gwsmtp.nu.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: RE:Tyson on a Motorcycle??? In a message dated 97-11-13 09:24:50 EST, VENABJM@GWSMTP.NU.COM writes: << Nobody would "dis" the champ then! :) >> Champ? That turkey is a chump! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Fireman Joe" To: "CB-750 List" Cc: "Doug Wothke" , "PC800 Listservice" Subject: PC800: Siege at deals gap. letter from NCHP Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:20:40 -0500 Ok gang if you re call the numerous stories about the siege of the Smokies the weekend of the BMW Rally....well the current AMA mag has a article to refresh your memory... and get this.... well there's a letter from the North Carolina Highway Patrol....it' can be viewed at the following URL: http://www.localweb.com/mtrspts/nchp.htm check it out.... Life is short---Go ride! :) :P =) =Ţ Joe Beresford AKA:cableguy@one.net CINCINNATI, OH USA!!! Fireman_Joe@CompuServe.Com Cellular 513-535-8203 ICQ-# 4172815 Want to learn more about Cable TV?? http://www.cabl.com I SUPPORT / ENDORSE: Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email- http://www.cauce.org Honda Sport Touring Assoc. http://members.aol.com/hstawww Pacific Coast 800 http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800/ Time-Warner Cable Communications http://www.pathfinder.com Favorite Star Trek site- http://www.holodeck3.com Want to getaway to a lake or have a golf weekend- http://www.reynoldsgolf.com ICQ http://www.mirabilis.com/download.html "I think God probably looks at the different sects of religion and says, what are we arguing about, do the math, I'm still God." John Dye. Touched By An Angel http://www.touched.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id ClO15914; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 02:23:28 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:24:10 -0800 Subject: Re: PC800: pc800 From: timmacy@juno.com (Timothy B Macy) On Mon, 10 Nov 1997 20:25:21 -0500 Tim Scholl writes: >Bought a 97 w/o the front wheel fairing in red this last summer. Added a rifle tall >windshild and have ridden 2,000 miles this summer. Reflecting on ride time, I must >say the pc is a very nice bike, reliable, unique, but very boring. It really is not big >enough for long tours and I wish it had a bit more handling and engine performance. >Unless I am talked into keeping it, I will consider trading it in on lets say a Kaw >Concours or something in the same class with better performance. I welcome >feedback. Tim, I have to take exception to your comments, because I've been riding a '94 PC since I bought it new. Yes, it is nice, it is reliable (unbelievably so), and it's unique. But I can't say that it's boring, nor can I agree with your assessment that it's not big enough for long tours. Touring? I put 20K on the StealthMobile in '96, and to date I've put on 28K this year. At least half would be considered "touring" miles. In Feb I rode to Daytona. Almost 7K total, and I averaged 500 miles/day, with the longest day being 790 miles. An absolute joy; comfortable the whole way. And with the trunk and a good tank bag, it's amazing how much you can carry on a long ride. Throw a Givi on the back as some have and you're in touring heaven space-wise. As for 2-up? This year my wife Nan and I did a 2-up ride down to Oklahoma (HSTA annual meet), then over to Louisville, KY, and back home thru the Black Hills and the Montana/Idaho Rockies. 6200 miles in 18 days. Bike performed like a champ the whole way. We've also toured into British Columbia and down thru the California Sierras, and pulling many, many high mountain passes---easily. I think many on this list would agree with me when I say that 2-up touring doesn't stress the bike any more than solo riding does. It's definitely big enough for long tours, solo or 2-up. Try to get 50mpg 2-up on a Concours or a MotoBaga...er, Gold Wing! As for the "sport" side: It's not touted as a sportbike, but it's surprised hell out of many squids in canyon-carving rides. It won't have the ball-busting speed that bikes like my son's FZR600 has, so I can't keep up with bikes in the straight portions, but the PC does a remarkably good job of handling curves thanks to its low center of gravity and neutral steering. Rev it up high and...look, ma...no buzziness! I think that perhaps you're not giving the bike a fair enough shake, Tim. Keep it for a bit and wring it out. I think it was best put more than once on this e-mail list that it's a bike that doesn't do anything exceptionally, but it does everything well. Yes, it can be classified as a boring bike because it doesn't bark, it doesn't snarl, it can't do wheelies, and it's so damned quiet that it's almost embarrassing. But it WILL handle everything that you throw at it, and it'll handle it well. And the bike'll grow on you, as it has on a lot of riders. Witness its popularity, as it's one of the few bikes that is still in production where used bikes are being sold for more than they were worth when new...and it's only been in production since 1989. And after a fair shake (far more than 2K, IMHO) you still feel the same way, then move on to another bike that fits your needs better. Tim Portland, OR '94 PC800--64,055 Miles of Smiles "I have made good judgments in the Past. I have made good judgments in the Future." -- Vice President Dan Quayle -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:51:24 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: PC800: Winter has arrived in Ottawa Hello everyone. Well, winter is finally here. There is a snow storm south west of here, and it was heading this way when I watched the news last night. This morning I got up at around 6:00, looked out my window, and saw the first few flakes of blowing snow. This isn't the first time we have had snow this year, but the other times it was about 30-34 degrees F and we knew it was going to melt away. This snow looks like the kind that signals winter is here, and is here to stay. I put on the Aerostich (with the liner !) and a good pair of gloves, fired up the PC, and went for my last ride of the year, in the beginnings of a snow storm. There was no real accumulation yet, just wisps of snow blowing across the asphalt. I must admit that I did get a few pretty strange looks. For the last few years I have put my car in storage for the winter. This same location also stores motorcycles, trailers, boats, etc. It's a pretty good place for storage. The location is secure, has an alarm, cameras, etc., is heated and quite large. I believe they have room for 650 cars. I drove Matilda down there this morning, and washed her when I got there. They also provided me with various sizes of blocks so that I could get the front wheel off the ground. I debated about taking out the battery, and bringing it home to put on a charger, but they graciously offered to let me park it near an electrical outlet. I will go back next week with a Deltran and a short extension cord and hook it up. For those that are interested, it will cost me about $140 CDN ($100US) for the season. I may not store my car this year, but if I do, the bike will be free for the remaining months. I have a two-seater, which is pretty short for a car, so they both fit in the same space. Their attitude for car storage is "The price is for the space. Whatever you fit in that space is up to you" . Well...bye for now.....and I envy you southern riders who probably didn't have time to read this because you had to go for a ride! fsl :-) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00087E72; Fri, 14 Nov 97 14:41:39 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:26:12 -0500 From: Dan_Messaros@nps.gov (Dan Messaros) Subject: PC800: New to the list To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Hello fellow PC riders, Here is my vital info: Dan Messaros 1990 CANDY APPLE RED the only color! 12,000 miles Picked it up used in January 1996 with 1,900 miles Came with Honda tall windshield Added trunk lights and fender extension Put on Metzlers at 10,000 mi. I am gathering the parts together to put a Sony stereo/tape player in this winter. The stereo has a wired remote that I will put on the handlebar. When I finish it will be more or less like the Honda unit but with a tape player! I plan on installing it in the right side trunk. I will loose some space but it will be worth it. I just ordered speakers and grills from the company that put out a message on the list a few weeks ago so when I get it all together I will send out an update. I live on the Olympic Peninsula in Washington state about five hours west of Seattle. I am a Park Ranger with the National Park Service and work for Olympic National Park. So those of you that are out for a ride in the park, stop by the Ozette area and say Hi. We get allot of black ice on the on the roads around here so I am getting ready to put the PC to bed for the winter. Those of you that can keep riding, have fun. Dan 1990 PC800, 1988 NX 650 Mine 1988 Shadow 800 Hers 1989 Ski-Doo MX -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m3.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id Q[J25592; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:08:08 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Dan_Messaros@nps.gov Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:05:54 -0800 Subject: Re: PC800: New to the list From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy) Hi Dan! Welcome to the list. You've got the best year for a PC, and by far, the best looking! I've got a '90 too. Hope you enjoy it as much as I do mine. Richard Hardy, San Diego rahardy@juno.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:49:30 -0500 From: Roger Prince To: Dan Messaros Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: New to the list Welcome, Dan. The '90 is one of the better colors. I'd love to visit you one of these days. It's snowing here, first of the season. Roger Prince Franklin, MA Dan Messaros wrote: > Hello fellow PC riders, > > Here is my vital info: > > Dan Messaros > 1990 CANDY APPLE RED the only color! > 12,000 miles > Picked it up used in January 1996 with 1,900 miles > Came with Honda tall windshield > Added trunk lights and fender extension > Put on Metzlers at 10,000 mi. > > I am gathering the parts together to put a Sony stereo/tape player > in this winter. The stereo has a wired remote that I will put on the > handlebar. When I finish it will be more or less like the Honda unit but > with a tape player! I plan on installing it in the right side trunk. I > will loose some space but it will be worth it. I just ordered > speakers and grills from the company that put out a message on the list a > few weeks ago so when I get it all together I will send out an update. > > I live on the Olympic Peninsula in Washington state about five > hours west of Seattle. I am a Park Ranger with the National Park Service > and work for Olympic National Park. So those of you that are out for a > ride in the park, stop by the Ozette area and say Hi. > > We get allot of black ice on the on the roads around here so I am getting > ready to put the PC to bed for the winter. Those of you that can keep > riding, have fun. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'Dan_Messaros@nps.gov'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: New to the list Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:41:00 -0800 Welcome Dan! The Olympic Peninsula is one of my favorite places to ride, especially Neah Bay, Ozette, and the Hoh. . I grew up in Shelton on the opposite corner of the Peninsula. Small world. I'll definitely stop in next time we head that direction. There are about a half-dozen or so PC800 riders in the Seattle area. See you down the road... -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 425/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft, Redmond, WA AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140/STOC 478 '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" '96 Honda ST1100 ALT "TruST" ---------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dan_Messaros@nps.gov [SMTP:Dan_Messaros@nps.gov] Sent: Friday, November 14, 1997 8:26 AM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: New to the list Hello fellow PC riders, Here is my vital info: Dan Messaros 1990 CANDY APPLE RED the only color! 12,000 miles Picked it up used in January 1996 with 1,900 miles Came with Honda tall windshield Added trunk lights and fender extension Put on Metzlers at 10,000 mi. I am gathering the parts together to put a Sony stereo/tape player in this winter. The stereo has a wired remote that I will put on the handlebar. When I finish it will be more or less like the Honda unit but with a tape player! I plan on installing it in the right side trunk. I will loose some space but it will be worth it. I just ordered speakers and grills from the company that put out a message on the list a few weeks ago so when I get it all together I will send out an update. I live on the Olympic Peninsula in Washington state about five hours west of Seattle. I am a Park Ranger with the National Park Service and work for Olympic National Park. So those of you that are out for a ride in the park, stop by the Ozette area and say Hi. We get allot of black ice on the on the roads around here so I am getting ready to put the PC to bed for the winter. Those of you that can keep riding, have fun. Dan 1990 PC800, 1988 NX 650 Mine 1988 Shadow 800 Hers 1989 Ski-Doo MX -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:46:51 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mike Whited" To: "Dan Messaros" , Subject: Re: PC800: New to the list Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:44:13 -0500 The Olympic Peninsula !! I hope you have a good rainsuit! :-) Welcome. ---------- > From: Dan Messaros > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: New to the list > Date: Friday, November 14, 1997 11:26 AM > > Hello fellow PC riders, > > Here is my vital info: > > Dan Messaros > 1990 CANDY APPLE RED the only color! > 12,000 miles > Picked it up used in January 1996 with 1,900 miles > Came with Honda tall windshield > Added trunk lights and fender extension > Put on Metzlers at 10,000 mi. > I live on the Olympic Peninsula in Washington state about five > hours west of Seattle. I am a Park Ranger with the National Park Service > and work for Olympic National Park. So those of you that are out for a > ride in the park, stop by the Ozette area and say Hi. > >Dan > > 1990 PC800, 1988 NX 650 Mine > 1988 Shadow 800 Hers > 1989 Ski-Doo MX > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'timmacy@juno.com'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: pc800 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:49:42 -0800 Tim's comments are right on - I too have put in the same miles and touring 2-up on the PC800 in all weather conditions and agree with Tim. The PC goes and goes and goes without complaint regardless of how much you load 'er down. As for performance - it's the rider and not so much the bike that will determine who leads through the twisties. As JT pointed out though, I also have an ST1100 to ride. The sole reason I got the ST was for a run at the Iron Butt in '99. The ST gave me 4 things I couldn't find in the PC: more forward lean on the handlebars (personal preference), larger gas tank, greater alternator capacity for driving lights, and after-market accessories for all day/night riding comfortable and safe. The ST is significantly more expensive to purchase and maintain. Insurance is higher because of the larger engine size. Available Z-rated tires have a shorter life. Valve jobs are required every 16k. The cost/benefit is tough to justify until I look at my future goals and tell myself I really need to right tools for the job. As for the PC being boring I can honestly say it will always generate a crowd wherever you go. Many a time it's left my cruiser/sport bike friends scratching their heads in disbelief as my bike got the "nice bike" comments from a passerby when theirs didn't. My PC is still my commuter, bad weather, run-to-the-grocery-store bike. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 425/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft, Redmond, WA AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140/STOC 478 '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" '96 Honda ST1100 ALT "TruST" ---------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: timmacy@juno.com [SMTP:timmacy@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, November 13, 1997 11:24 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: pc800 On Mon, 10 Nov 1997 20:25:21 -0500 Tim Scholl writes: >Bought a 97 w/o the front wheel fairing in red this last summer. Added a rifle tall >windshild and have ridden 2,000 miles this summer. Reflecting on ride time, I must >say the pc is a very nice bike, reliable, unique, but very boring. It really is not big >enough for long tours and I wish it had a bit more handling and engine performance. >Unless I am talked into keeping it, I will consider trading it in on lets say a Kaw >Concours or something in the same class with better performance. I welcome >feedback. Tim, I have to take exception to your comments, because I've been riding a '94 PC since I bought it new. Yes, it is nice, it is reliable (unbelievably so), and it's unique. But I can't say that it's boring, nor can I agree with your assessment that it's not big enough for long tours. Touring? I put 20K on the StealthMobile in '96, and to date I've put on 28K this year. At least half would be considered "touring" miles. In Feb I rode to Daytona. Almost 7K total, and I averaged 500 miles/day, with the longest day being 790 miles. An absolute joy; comfortable the whole way. And with the trunk and a good tank bag, it's amazing how much you can carry on a long ride. Throw a Givi on the back as some have and you're in touring heaven space-wise. As for 2-up? This year my wife Nan and I did a 2-up ride down to Oklahoma (HSTA annual meet), then over to Louisville, KY, and back home thru the Black Hills and the Montana/Idaho Rockies. 6200 miles in 18 days. Bike performed like a champ the whole way. We've also toured into British Columbia and down thru the California Sierras, and pulling many, many high mountain passes---easily. I think many on this list would agree with me when I say that 2-up touring doesn't stress the bike any more than solo riding does. It's definitely big enough for long tours, solo or 2-up. Try to get 50mpg 2-up on a Concours or a MotoBaga...er, Gold Wing! As for the "sport" side: It's not touted as a sportbike, but it's surprised hell out of many squids in canyon-carving rides. It won't have the ball-busting speed that bikes like my son's FZR600 has, so I can't keep up with bikes in the straight portions, but the PC does a remarkably good job of handling curves thanks to its low center of gravity and neutral steering. Rev it up high and...look, ma...no buzziness! I think that perhaps you're not giving the bike a fair enough shake, Tim. Keep it for a bit and wring it out. I think it was best put more than once on this e-mail list that it's a bike that doesn't do anything exceptionally, but it does everything well. Yes, it can be classified as a boring bike because it doesn't bark, it doesn't snarl, it can't do wheelies, and it's so damned quiet that it's almost embarrassing. But it WILL handle everything that you throw at it, and it'll handle it well. And the bike'll grow on you, as it has on a lot of riders. Witness its popularity, as it's one of the few bikes that is still in production where used bikes are being sold for more than they were worth when new...and it's only been in production since 1989. And after a fair shake (far more than 2K, IMHO) you still feel the same way, then move on to another bike that fits your needs better. Tim Portland, OR '94 PC800--64,055 Miles of Smiles "I have made good judgments in the Past. I have made good judgments in the Future." -- Vice President Dan Quayle -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/971030) via SMTP id TAA03444 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 19:43:48 -0500 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: PC800: motorcycle humor Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 19:34:42 -0500 at http://www.motorcyclecity.com/jokes.htm Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/971030) via SMTP id UAA05369 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:27:37 -0500 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: PC800: great press! Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:18:27 -0500 the next time someone asks about your favorite mount, send them here: http://redriders.com/page/mcpage/streetpage/pc.html Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Fireman Joe" To: "PC800 Listservice" Subject: PC800: Siege at deals gap.=Letter from NCHP & AMA article-online Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:35:27 -0500 Hey folks if you don't get the AMA's magazine the article is online at the below mentioned by Patrick URL. ---------- > From: Patrick Hopkins > To: CB750 List > Subject: Re: Siege at deals gap. letter from NCHP > Date: Friday, 14 November, 1997 6:35 PM > > Thanks for the update, Joe. The article itself is online at the AMA's site. > The URL is: http://www.ama-cycle.org/magazine/story2de.html > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fireman Joe > To: CB-750 List > > Ok gang if you re call the numerous stories about the siege of the Smokies > the weekend of the BMW Rally....well the current AMA mag has a article to > refresh your memory... and get this.... > well there's a letter from the North Carolina Highway Patrol....it' can be > viewed at the following URL: > http://www.localweb.com/mtrspts/nchp.htm > > check it out.... > :-) Life is short---Go ride! ;-p Joe Beresford/CINCINNATI, OH USA!!!/AKA:cableguy@one.net (or) Fireman_Joe@CompuServe.Com Cellular 513-535-8203 ICQ-# 4172815 <<<>>> Guzzidoug's Motorcycle Stuff "I'll Club A Seal, To Make A Deal" http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/1696 Honda Sport Touring Assoc. http://members.aol.com/hstawww Pacific Coast 800 http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800/ Time-Warner Cable Communications http://www.pathfinder.com Want to learn more about Cable TV?? http://www.cabl.com Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email- http://www.cauce.org Want to getaway to a lake or have a golf weekend- http://www.reynoldsgolf.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:38:08 -0900 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC800: great press! At 20:18 11/14/97 -0500, you wrote: >the next time someone asks about your favorite mount, send them here: > >http://redriders.com/page/mcpage/streetpage/pc.html > Hi Jim. This is interesting. The Honda shop that owns the homepage (Honda of Anchorage) is where I got _my_ PC! :-) Ah, the memories... Juan "We few, we happy few, we band of PC Riders" -- With apologies to William Shakespeare --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '91 Suzuki VX800 University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MVerVelde@aol.com by mrin41.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) Sat, 15 Nov 1997 00:48:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 00:48:02 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: wife 1.0 Anyone still have a copy of the recent E-Mail titled "Wife 1.0"? I told someone at work about it and they want a copy, but I realized that I never saved it once I read it. It sure was funny. If you have it, pls send it to me at MVerVelde@aol.com. thanks. Mike V. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id IQW25492; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 08:24:49 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: cableguy@one.net Cc: cb750@canadaweb.com, dwothke@ro.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Siege at deals gap. From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 08:24:49 EST Why does this police state american guestapo crap always happen here in the south? Did you see the CBS special where the state troopers on Louisiana would target big Lincolns and other luxury cars and pull them over and tell them they were driving erratically when they were not? They would handcuff the victim and tow the car and soak the person so badly and sieze the car and give prizes of ski vacations at Vail to the phuqing crooked cops for their having excelled at this scam? I bet they are still doing it -- the CBS exposé notwithstanding. Ils sont merde! §§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§ Glad I am Yankee-born and Yankee souled! My wife wants to retire to the Carolinas. I'd rather die. Narrow-minded religious fanantic tobacco promoting....Sorry if I offended anyone. Rocky -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: CWells4638@aol.com by mrin58.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA05108; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 09:16:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 09:16:46 -0500 (EST) To: Dana_Sawyer@compuserve.com, fvpdda@web.apc.org cc: EdCars@aol.com, Dick_Chambers@msn.com, BMWKeith@aol.com, hsta-stdir@listproc.bgsu.edu, mtld2@ols.net, lxddle@mindspring.com, belder@charlotte.infi.net, the-turtle@msn.com, 74544.323@compuserve.com, GIGREENE@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, stevjohn@interserv.com, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu, RVBikerEl@aol.com, 75127.1761@compuserve.com, Roger_Prince@dg.com, rogerprince@hotmail.com, RogerPrince@juno.com, bquinton@interserv.com, fred.schmidt@tfd.org, RFKMIKE@aol.com, 76062.3667@compuserve.com Subject: PC800: Re: The Magical Grapefruit of Love Dana's Magical Grapefruit of Love brought to mind an enterprising scheme developed by a friend of mine. He sells eternal greatfulness. You know how good it makes you feel when somebody takes the time to show their gratitude for something you've done, or even takes the time to say "Thank you." Well, for a small fee, you can save all your effort, and still receive this same gratitude. This service is available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. The amount of gratitude you recieve is directly proportional to the fee. By prepaying, you receive an extra 10% more gratitude, but easy budget payments can be arranged on either a weekly or monthly basis. Experience the warm inner glow of gratitude from your fellow man without ever leaving the comfort of your easy chair or even having to put down the remote. For less than the cost of a Mercedes Benz, this satisfaction can be yours. For further information, contact . . . -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by thevision.net with SMTP; 15 Nov 1997 16:39:47 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Spencer" To: , "Rocky E Rocheux" Cc: , , Subject: Re: PC800: Siege at deals gap. Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 08:39:16 -0800 I thought police officers only pulled over people who deserve it for driving too fast? Spencer ---------- > From: Rocky E Rocheux > To: cableguy@one.net > Cc: cb750@canadaweb.com; dwothke@ro.com; pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: PC800: Siege at deals gap. > Date: Saturday, November 15, 1997 5:24 AM > > Why does this police state american guestapo crap always happen here in > the south? Did you see the CBS special where the state troopers on > Louisiana would target big Lincolns and other luxury cars and pull them > over and tell them they were driving erratically when they were not? They > would handcuff the victim and tow the car and soak the person so badly > and sieze the car and give prizes of ski vacations at Vail to the phuqing > crooked cops for their having excelled at this scam? I bet they are still > doing it -- the CBS exposé notwithstanding. Ils sont merde! > §§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§ > Glad I am Yankee-born and Yankee souled! > My wife wants to retire to the Carolinas. I'd rather > die. Narrow-minded religious fanantic tobacco promoting....Sorry if I > offended anyone. > Rocky > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 15:52:44 -0500 From: Bill McKenna To: PC800 , st1100@st1100.com Subject: PC800: 1997 'Ride for Kids' Stats Bill McKenna wrote: > > Are Available @ http://www.mint.net/~bmckenna/success.htm > > Thanks for your help!!! > > Bill > http://www.mint.net/~bmckenna/NERFK.htm -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MVerVelde@aol.com by mrin41.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA06826 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:14:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:14:09 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Tall Honda Windshields for sale I can't remember who was asking about purchasing used Tall Honda Windsheilds, but I just got a price quote. I have two tall ones for sale- used, at half the dealers price, plus shipping. $150.00 + shipping for each one. any takers? Mike MVerVelde@aol.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MVerVelde@aol.com by mrin44.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA17530 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:22:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:22:28 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: 90PC engine for sale Got a price quote for my 90 PC engine from my crashed bike. Dealers inspection found nothing wrong with the engine. Has 15,175 miles on it. I'll sell for $1000.00 plus shipping. Anyone serious about the purchase, let me know- I will pay $180 to have my Dealer remove the engine from the bike for me. Mike V Stockton CA MVerVelde@aol.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id JXN14539; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 09:12:48 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: indian@starklite.com Cc: indian@dorje.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Fasssst Service & a bad experience. From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 09:12:48 EST Jonz@USLink has forwarded the $1000 speedo letter to me I wanted, so you need not bother now and thanx to Jonz. You might wonder how something as little as that could be used to fight an ins. co but they will often fight to avoid paying what your bike is actually worth to you and other collectors as they do not sell, say $20,000 worth of coverage in case of theft, they say they will pay the "value" of the bike and often you have to fight. A printed out note from é-mail is a valid thingy because you can contact the sender and he can be verified and often, because he wrote on the subject, he could come up with his source of info. Anyway you might want to print and keep those sorts of things. §§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§ Bad Experience §§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§ I had for a long time had Allstate Insurance on everything. Then not long ago Carolyn got a 10 MPH over speeding ticket in her car and also kissed the wall in another incident in a parking lot costing Allstate $800. That with a new windshield on Carolyn's car due to a crack from a stone got Allstate all upset and they cancelled all my cars and offered me twice the premium with Allstate Indemnity Co. I decided to shop around and saved almost $1000 annually by putting everything with Progressive; Astro van and Honda wagon and Honda Prelude and my 3 Japanese bikes. The Indian was another matter. PRogressive would not take it. I was paying Allstate $484 annually for a bike I rarely ride. So I shopped around on that and one of my clients, a State Farm agent, sez he will do the antique Indian motorcycle I own for $267 yr. Wow I jumped at it cancelling Allstate. Soon State Farm calls me bak and sez he screwed up and wants $460 a yr as he wrote it as if he had a car of mine insured. Egads. And I have to pay him once a yr. Allstate was 2 payments a yr with no penalty. So I call Allstate to go back and he sez sorry but that was a grandfathered policy and it will be more I will call you with a premium and it was just over $800. Brings me to a question. I want to start again looking to insure the Indian for a more reasonable rate---can you tell me who insures your antique bike? JC Taylor will not insure me without 2 other antique bikes or an antique car in addn to my present only antique bike. Any help appreciated. Rocky -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sun, 16 Nov 1997 14:51:23 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: Cc: , Subject: Re: PC800: Fasssst Service & a bad experience. Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 09:43:42 -0500 El Rocko, Try National General Insurance Co. 1-800-325-1190. I have just liability only on my four Hondas for $34.00 each a year. I don't know about antique bike coverage as my oldest is a 1981. Vince Fort Myers,FL 1990 PC800 1989 Transalp 1985 Shadow 1100 1981 GL1100 ---------- > or an antique car in addn to my present only antique bike. Any help > appreciated. > Rocky -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jfmoemd@aol.com by mrin39.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA22913; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:38:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:38:12 -0500 (EST) To: fsl@borgconsulting.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Winter has arrived in Ottawa Poor Francois! Me too! We've had snow here for the last three days. Yuk! Ergh! John in Indy -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MVerVelde@aol.com by mrin53.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id QAA28119 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:55:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:55:41 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: FW: WIFE 1.0 In a message dated 97-11-16 07:08:13 EST, you write: Re:Wife 1.0 << You'll probably get several of these but you asked... >> did I ever. next time I will ask the original sender! Thanks to all anyways! I wonder If I would get the same response if I asked everyone to send a buck? ha. Mike V -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KNUCK47@aol.com by mrin45.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA02785; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 22:59:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 22:59:34 -0500 (EST) To: rocheux@juno.com, indian@starklite.com cc: indian@dorje.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: Fasssst Service & a bad experience. Hi Rocky, I've seen insurance ads in Hemmings magazine for really reasonable insurance for antique cars & motorcycles. There's a catch though, the unit can only have so many miles put on it each year, and it must be kept in a locked garage. But it seems like you can apply for whatever dollar amount you feel it's worth. Good luck. Ron. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael Aguilar" To: Subject: PC800: Oil Light Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 22:39:19 -0800 Hi Everyone, I've got a problem with my PC. After having sit for 2 weeks while my = wife gave birth to our second daughter (Oct. 22), the bikes oil light = comes on when I come to an idle (around 1,000rpms). Once I rev it up = above 1,200 the light goes out. The bike sounds fine and never did this = before the bike sat for this last two week period. The bike has almost = 39K miles, with about 3K on the current oil and filter. I know its = about time to change, but since I use the bike for commuting about 60 = miles round trip each day, I'm not that hard on the oil. I'm using = Motul 3100 10-40w synthetic. Anyone ever experience something similar? Mike A. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael Aguilar" To: "VR2XVI" Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: Oil Light Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 00:15:03 -0800 Hi Phil, Thanks for the quick response. I forgot to add to my message that when I first checked my oil, when I noticed the oil light, it showed just a hair low. I added about 1/2 a quart just to get it to the highest mark on the stick. After adding the oil, there was no change on how the bike operated and the oil light still comes on at idle. Let me know if you have any other ideas. Thanks again. Mike A. -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: VR2XVI To: Michael Aguilar Date: Sunday, November 16, 1997 11:03 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Oil Light >Hi Mike, > >> I've got a problem with my PC. After having sit for 2 weeks while my = >> wife gave birth to our second daughter (Oct. 22), the bikes oil light = >> comes on when I come to an idle (around 1,000rpms). Once I rev it up = >> above 1,200 the light goes out... > >Congrat. for the new family member! > >Back to the bike, did you check the oil level? Or you'll have to change >the filter and oil, did you put Honda filter, or aftermarket ones?? If >new oil and filter doesn't help, you may need a engine flush. Of course >check if there is a oil leak. > >> Motul 3100 10-40w synthetic. Anyone ever experience something similar? > >Good oil, hope there is just a low level oil, or a bad filter. > >Good luck! > >-- > > ************************************************************************* > * Philips Wong, Colonial Special Constabulary Medal * > * Vice Chairman, Safe Rider (HK) Association. * > * * > * VR2XVI <-- HAM '95 GL1500SE Candy Red <-- the flooded bike * > * PCA420 <-- Hong Kong '84 GL1200A 2 tone beige <-- the chromed bike * > * Aux Police '90 PC800 Candy Red <-- My little Wing * > * 101177 <-- GWRRA CBX750 Police Edition <-- Muscle! * > * * > * Commissioner Maxwell, Hong Kong Police, 1959 : * > * " I have the honour to be, Sir, your obedient servant! " * > * * > ************************************************************************* > * Will work for gas and chrome, I have 2 Wings, and a baby Wing at home * > ************************************************************************* -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com by mrin43.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id FAA21195; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 05:35:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 05:35:14 -0500 (EST) To: aggie@alphainfo.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Oil Light In a message dated 97-11-17 01:35:23 EST, aggie@alphainfo.com writes: << I know its about time to change, but since I use the bike for commuting about 60 miles round trip each day, I'm not that hard on the oil. I'm using Motul 3100 10-40w synthetic. Anyone ever experience something similar? >> On a bike no, but on older cars yes. In most instances it has been a signal that the oil pressure is too low and you are about to experience trouble unless you locate the source. In most instances, changing the oil filter has solved the problem. I'd start with an oil and filter change. If it still doesn't go away, I'd get an oil pressure guage hooked up in place of the "idiot light" and find out what the oil pressure is for sure. It is possible that it is the oil pressure switch, but you don't want to make that assumption and learn the hard way that you were wrong... Good luck! <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:11:18 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John Scalisi" To: aggie@alphainfo.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:07:41 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Oil Light First change the oil and filter and make sure it's filled to the proper level. That's probably all it is. If it still does it then further inspection would be warranted. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Spain, Harrison" To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: PC800: Safety tip of the month Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 07:41:33 -0800 This tip involves setting the "sensitivity" of the rear brake light. When the mechanic tests your rear brake, they probably just press on the rear brake pedal and if the brake lights go on... well test passed! :-) If you are like me, you want that brake light to go on at the first touch of that brake pedal! :-) Here is how to adjust the "sensitivity". 1) The adjustment is to the right and below (a bit) from the battery on the right side of the cycle. 2) Remove the right vent cover. 3) Remove the right front crash bar cover (remember the allen screw on the bottom of this cover!). 4) Remove the side cover (one phillips screw and a tug). 5) Remove the large side cover (or at least get it loose enough to tug the left side free so you have a full view of the battery). 6) When you press on the rear brake pedal, you can see the switch being activated. The adjustment is a threaded, plastic bolt that when turned will move slightly left/right. What you want to do is either turn this with your hand or use a flat bladed screw driver to help rotate the knurled end. By making a few turns, you can adjust this so that the brake lights come on with the slightest touch (my preference). In any case, don't set it such that you can engage the brakes *without* the light coming on! :-) Enjoy! Harrison P.S. If anyone has a method for adjusting the front brake sensitivity, please let us know! I took it apart and could not see the "trick" :-). * Harrison Spain * EDS Unigraphics GTAC - Systems Support Manager * Voice: 714-952-6114 * Fax: 714-952-5371 * Internet E-Mail: spain@edsug.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:19:08 -0800 (PST) From: John La Subject: Re: PC800: Tall Honda Windshields for sale To: pclist Mike- Here are the prices I got from cycle-parts online. --snip-- Windscreen, Large 08154-MR500 $188.28 Backrest 08F75-MR5-110 $135.00 These prices include free shipping for orders over $450 (Domestic orders only) and no tax. --snip-- ---MVerVelde@aol.com wrote: > > I can't remember who was asking about purchasing used Tall Honda Windsheilds, > but I just got a price quote. I have two tall ones for sale- used, at half > the dealers price, plus shipping. > > $150.00 + shipping for each one. any takers? > > Mike > > MVerVelde@aol.com > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > __________________________________________________________________ Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 21:20:01 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, agray@milehigh.denver.net, PILEWIS1@concentric.net, jlai@filenet.com, dkgross@halcyon.com From: Gerard Diepeveen Subject: PC800: *** IMPORTANT NEWS *** Dear Pacific Coasters, A bit earlier than expected a very important message. I’ve been busy with the Pacific Coast Netherlands pages now for one and a half year, but this will be the end that the PCN pages are on the Internet. Let me explain why, since my announcement of our little tour next year in America, and the publication of the ride layout and the name of the ride (PCN-USA98 tour), the board has decided that I have to change the name of the event, although I placed a note on these pages saying that it is not an official PCN event, I only chose the name because by now all of you know about PCN, and to promote PCN next year when we’re in America, but apparently they are not interested ??. But there are other things, for example the board has also decided to make some rules for our magazine and the web site, meaning that I have to wait for approval from the board if I want to add something interesting, and this may take up a few weeks before the board decides that I can place the article or not, you know as a web master I can’t and won’t agree with this silly and not well thought over decision. This is only my explanation, there is another reason to stop with the PCN pages, a friend who is coming next year with me to the States has been accused of mis-management, he has organized so many great events and rides this year that we can only think of jealousy of the board towards us, also members of PCN are outraged when they heard the news and our explanation. Today Nov. 16th they claimed that pages are property of PCN, in other words I have to give them the pages for free because their name is on it and thus property of PCN!!!!! I did'nt get even a thank you for all I've done on the Internet for PCN. Normally this message would have been send on 01-01-98 but now I'm very angry and today I have take action and deleted all of the files from the server, I have put the new Honda Pacific Coast Europe web site on the Internet, the site still needs some debugging but it should work fine rightnow. That’s why we have decided to cancel our membership and start our own organization, and we are happy to inform you about our brand-new PC800 Motorcycle Club: "Honda Pacific Coast Europe" In cooperation with members in various European countries we shall organize a real network of contact persons. As of today we present you our brand new Internet home page. The new Internet address will be the same, we have thought of a new name but because of all the links all over the world we have decided we would use the same address. PCN can stand also for "Pacific Coast New edition for example. The address: http://www.dsv.nl/~pcn/ We are also happy to inform you that there is now an American mirror site of the Honda Pacific Coast Europe, many thanks to Alexander Gray (who is by the way a member and our American representative), who provided us with his server space to setup this mirror site, this mirror site is an extra service to all American PC800 enthusiasts, and I like to thank all of you who have been giving his or hers support to my efforts in providing a web site with much information to all PC800 riders al over the world in the past and I hope you will do so with the web site of the Honda Pacific Coast Europe in the future. The address of the mirror site of HPCE: http://www.denver.net/~agray/ Al services you’ve found on the PCN pages will also be on the HPCE pages. At this very moment we have about 80 members in 8 different countries, Belgium, Germany, United Kingdom, Norway, Luxembourg, Italy, America and of course Holland. Thank you for taking the time to read this important message. Gerard Diepeveen, secretary and web master for Honda Pacific Coast Europe Gerard Diepeveen, Secretary for Honda Pacific Coast Europe email: pcn@dsv.nl Webpager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/2149445 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Pacific Coast Rocky Mountain 1998 tour: http://www.dsv.nl/~pcn/rocky-mountain98-tour.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------- visit the Honda Pacific Coast Europe website: http://www.dsv.nl/~pcn/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mike Brown" To: "Gerard Diepeveen" Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: *** IMPORTANT NEWS *** Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:35:29 -0600 Gerard, Those who can create - those who can't steal. Michael ,90 PC800 "ESCAPN" > Subject: PC800: *** IMPORTANT NEWS *** > Today Nov. 16th they claimed that pages are property of PCN, in other words > I have to give them the pages for free because their name is on it and thus > property of PCN!!!!! I did'nt get even a thank you for all I've done on the > Internet for PCN. > Normally this message would have been send on 01-01-98 but now I'm very > angry and today I have take action and deleted all of the files from the > server, I have put the new Honda Pacific Coast Europe web site on the > Internet, the site still needs some debugging but it should work fine > rightnow. > email: pcn@dsv.nl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Hilsinger George To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: PC800: Safety Tip of the Month Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:03:47 -0800 Harrison Spain wrote "This tip involves setting the "sensitivity" of the rear brake light." If you adjust the brake light just right, you can drive your riding buddies wild in the twisties as you simultaneously flash your brake light at them and accelerate away. They will probably respond in one of two ways; offer to adjust it for you, or plow into you when you really are stopping. George Hilsinger Project Development Engineer WSDOT South Central Region HilsinG@wsdot.wa.gov 509-457-7104 Voice 509-575-2561 FAX -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ramin Keyvan" Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:36:27 -0800 "PC800: Re: FW: WIFE 1.0" (Nov 16, 4:55pm) To: MVerVelde@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: FW: WIFE 1.0 On Nov 16, 4:55pm, MVerVelde@aol.com wrote: > Subject: PC800: Re: FW: WIFE 1.0 > I wonder If I would get the same response if I asked everyone to > send a buck? ha. > > Mike V > -- In this day and age? Probably. From anyone on this list? I'm thinking not. ;-) We're all a bit smarter than that. You should get yourself an AM-radio show and go on the air and tell everyone that God has spoken to you and you now know when the end of the world is coming and that all the faithful should send you money so that you can set up an organization to spread the word :-):-):-):-):-):-) While this sounds funny, some guy in Livermore, CA did just that a few years ago. He raised approx. $12 million and bailed! I'm thinking he's in Bali by now, living like a king! cheers, Ramin -- ------------------------------------------------------ |Ramin Keyvan | Voice: 415-846-5169 | |Member Technical Staff/ | FAX: 415-846-1228 | |Release Group | Main #:415-846-5000 | |ramin@tibco.com | Beeper:800-SKY-GRAM | |http://www.tibco.com | Beeper Pin #: 471-3186# | ------------------------------------------------------ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Spain, Harrison" To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: PC800: Rear Seat Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:08:02 -0800 Anyone have a spare rear seat that they would like to sell? I'm also interested in the rider seat but the rear seat is a "must-have" :-). Any Corbin retrofits with some relatively new seats in the garage? Harrison * Harrison Spain * EDS Unigraphics GTAC - Systems Support Manager * Voice: 714-952-6114 * Fax: 714-952-5371 * Internet E-Mail: spain@edsug.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ramin Keyvan" Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:15:18 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Michelin MacAdams?... Greetings all: Doesn anyone have any experience with the Michelin MacAdams for the PC800? I'm about to put a set on my Concours and would like to put a set on Erin's PC if they're as highly recommended as they are for the Concours. I await your comments, Ramin -- ------------------------------------------------------ |Ramin Keyvan | Voice: 415-846-5169 | |Member Technical Staff/ | FAX: 415-846-1228 | |Release Group | Main #:415-846-5000 | |ramin@tibco.com | Beeper:800-SKY-GRAM | |http://www.tibco.com | Beeper Pin #: 471-3186# | ------------------------------------------------------ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:50:33 -0500 To: "Ramin Keyvan" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Michelin MacAdams?... Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Ramin Keyvan wrote: >Does anyone have any experience with the Michelin MacAdams for the PC800? Do they make a size that fits? I was under the impression that the limited choices were Dunlop and Metzeler? fsl (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.1-10 #18580) pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:02:14 CST by jarvis.ims.alaska.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA17701; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:56:51 -0900 (AKST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:56:37 -0900 From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC800: Michelin Macadams To: Ramin Keyvan , pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 14:15 11/17/97 -0800, Ramin wrote: >Greetings all: > >Doesn anyone have any experience with the Michelin MacAdams for the PC800? I'm >about to put a set on my Concours and would like to put a set on Erin's PC if >they're as highly recommended as they are for the Concours. >I await your comments. Hello Ramin. I put Macadam 90X's on Crystals VX800, and although we've only put about 100+ miles on them my impressions are quite favorable. I am a bit paranoid about wet weather traction and the Mac's seem to have a pretty good water dispersal pattern on the tread. The only problem I see with fitting them on the PC is that: 1) they don't (to my knowledge) make them in PC sizes, and 2) If you go for the 90Xs, they are radials. The PC was not designed for radials. However, if Michelin recommends them for the PC, who am I to argue. If you are talking about the Macadam 50's, those are bias-ply, but again, the right sizes don't exist. Be careful when experimenting with tires. Juan "We few, we happy few, we band of PC Riders" -- With apologies to William Shakespeare --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '91 Suzuki VX800 University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id UtK13609; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:31:51 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pcn@dsv.nl Cc: montreal@erols.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:31:51 EST GOOD FOR YOU! Liberty and justice for all! Et vive la France! Thanx 4 all the addresses as below. A literal Dutch treat! New liberty address! > http://www.dsv.nl/~pcn/ > > >The address of the mirror site of HPCE: http://www.denver.net/~agray/ > >Honda Pacific Coast Europe >email: pcn@dsv.nl >Webpager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/2149445 >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >Pacific Coast Rocky Mountain 1998 tour: >http://www.dsv.nl/~pcn/rocky-mountain98-tour.htm >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >visit the Honda Pacific Coast Europe website: >http://www.dsv.nl/~pcn/ > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:17:38 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:19:18 -0600 From: James and Dana Geist <"Jgeist lubtx"@DOOR.net> To: Jfmoemd@aol.com CC: fsl@borgconsulting.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Winter has arrived in Ottawa Jfmoemd@aol.com wrote: > > Poor Francois! > > Me too! We've had snow here for the last three days. Yuk! Ergh! > > John in Indy > -- Ha, Ha. It snowed here day before yesterday. Supposed to be in the mid 60's the rest of the week. Guess I'll ride a while longer....*keeping fingers crossed*.... James Lubbock, Tx. '90PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:55:05 -0800 To: "Juan A. Goula" From: Erin Dolin Subject: Re: PC800: Michelin Macadams Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >If you are talking about the Macadam 50's, those are bias-ply, but again, >the right sizes don't exist. Be careful when experimenting with tires. > >Juan Yeah. Especially because it's MY bike and MY butt on the line. Ramin, you have to find new ways to occupy your brain because you're thinking about changing things on MY bike again. Geez! Erin %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Erin Keyvan Human Resources Assistant School of Engineering Stanford University Terman 251 Stanford, CA 94305-4027 Phone: (650) 725-8245 Fax: (650) 725-7426 e-mail: pastry@leland.stanford.edu -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ramin Keyvan" Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:24:36 -0800 "Re: PC800: Michelin Macadams" (Nov 18, 7:55am) To: Erin Dolin , "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: PC800: Michelin Macadams Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu On Nov 18, 7:55am, Erin Dolin wrote: > Subject: Re: PC800: Michelin Macadams > And the problem here is what exactly? Ramin > > > Yeah. Especially because it's MY bike and MY butt on the line. Ramin, you > have to find new ways to occupy your brain because you're thinking about > changing things on MY bike again. Geez! > > Erin > > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > > Erin Keyvan > Human Resources Assistant > School of Engineering > Stanford University > Terman 251 > Stanford, CA 94305-4027 > > Phone: (650) 725-8245 > Fax: (650) 725-7426 > e-mail: pastry@leland.stanford.edu > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------ |Ramin Keyvan | Voice: 415-846-5169 | |Member Technical Staff/ | FAX: 415-846-1228 | |Release Group | Main #:415-846-5000 | |ramin@tibco.com | Beeper:800-SKY-GRAM | |http://www.tibco.com | Beeper Pin #: 471-3186# | ------------------------------------------------------ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Silvonton Niessing" To: "Willem van Alderwerelt" <101362.2633@CompuServe.COM>, "Todd Scot" , "Tim, Desi & Vicki Smith" , "Ruud Olivier" , "Ruud Massink" , "Rutger van der Velde" , "Ron v/d Dussen" , "Roelof van Belkum" , "Roel & Ans Schuhmacher" , "Robin van Hattum" , "Robert de Vries" <0dvries24@lelystad.flnet.nl>, "Rob van Delft" , "Rob Ramsey" , "Ricardo Morell Gamboa" , "Pieter van Gend" , "Philip Ross" , "Peter Everts" , "Peter Doorenweerd" , "PC800 e-mail group" , "Martin Molema" , "M. van der Lans" , "Jos Driessens" , "Joop van der Weerd" , "Joe Beresford" , "Jeroen Hamers" <9612893@luc.ac.be>, "Jeroen Glorie" , "Jan Leertouwer" , "Ian Holman" , "Henry Schaefer (via vriend I-net)" , "Harm Brink" , "Hans Looman" , "Gordon Lief" , "Gert Wessels" , "Gerri Ewing" , "Frank Renes (Marjan Hogenbirk)" , "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Frank_B=F6seler?=" , "Francois Saint Laurent" , "Eric Trow" , "Chris Morrow" , "Charles Shepler" , "Bob Passell" , "Billy Ondo" , "Bert Satter" , "Bert Outhuijse" , "Bas Kruit" , "Ascon de Vries" , "Arwin Verhoef" , "Alexander Gray" , "Adrie van Kampen (via Rob van Vliet)" , "Hans van Vliet" , "Gerard & Marjan Minke" <106041.1212@CompuServe.COM>, "Rick Ringma" , "Michael de Ruiter Zylker" , "Steve Frehe" , "Warner A. Henderson" <105437.2123@CompuServe.COM>, "=?iso-8859-1?Q?G=F6ran_Olsson?=" , "Michael S. Brown" , "James A. McCarty" , "Richard Blower" , "Chris Bradly" , "Alice E. Riggs" , "Rene Vecchio" , "Josef Dorer" , "Mike Bowman" , "Julie Pipkin" , "Kathleen Feher" , "Harry Kellam" , "Family Wells" , "Paul Hayes" , "Rod Kent" , "Mr. Kelly J. Larson" , "John Allen" , "Bob Rufener" , "Walter Kern" , "Dave Lott" , "Todd Zedak" , "James Hyder" , "Dan Cote" , "E.Y. Murphey" , "Gary E. Klim" , "David J. Fial" , "Dave Gross" , "Bob & Grace Parker" , "Micaland" , "Johan Lai" , "Thomas Zander" <106265.455@CompuServe.COM>, "Neill Thompson" , "Roger Prince" , "Mike Larson" , "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM>, "Harrison Spain" <_spain@edsug.com>, "Bill McKenna" , "Juan A. Goula" , "Robert Tuttle" , "Blaise R. Box" , "Erik York" , "Carol Ann Decelle-Meek" , "Bryce Ulrich" , "Jason L. Tibbitts III" , "Eric Matthews" , "Phil Lewis" , "Greg Skolnik" , "Rich Wardwell" , "Steven Weinerman" , "Mark Skrocki" Subject: PC800: Pacific Coast Netherlands e-mail change Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:05:15 +0100 Dutch version: =20 Beste PC-leden en PC-vrienden, Sinds kort bestaan er twee Pacific Coast clubs naast elkaar. Hierdoor = zijn wij als MV Pacific Coast Netherlands genoodzaakt onze web-site te = verplaatsen naar een andere provider. Dat wordt op dit moment geregeld. = Vooruit lopend hierop zijn de volgende=20 acties uitgezet: a.. wijziging van het e-mail adres van MV Pacific Coast Netherlands in = hpcn@writeme.com.=20 b.. site tijdelijk ondergebracht op = http://www.pi.net/~niessing/pcn/home.htm MV Pacific Coast Netherlands gaat er vanuit dat u ondanks deze site- = en e-mail-adres wijziging op de hoogte wilt blijven van activiteiten en wetenswaardigheden, vandaar dit e-mailtje. In verband = met ruimte gebrek op deze tijdelijke site het aantal foto's=20 tijdelijk beperkt. Voor al uw vragen, aanmeldingen als lid/aspirant-lid of donateur, te = koop aangeboden of gevraagd en Pacific Post informatie kunt =20 u eveneens het aangegeven e-mail-adres: hpcn@writeme.com gebruiken. Zeer binnenkort zullen wij u middels e-mail op de hoogte brengen van = onze nieuwe site-specificatie, zodat u uw bookmarks/favorieten hierop = kunt aanpassen. Ik hoop u voorlopig voldoende te hebben geinformeerd. Namens het bestuur van MV Pacific Coast Netherlands (PCN),=20 Silvonton Niessing =20 elkaar.=20 Hierdoor zijn wij als MV Pacific Coast Netherlands genoodzaakt onze = web-site te=20 verplaatsen naar een andere provider. Dat wordt op dit moment geregeld. = Vooruit=20 lopend hierop zijn de volgende 
acties = uitgezet:
  • wijziging van het=20 e-mail adres van MV = Pacific Coast=20 Netherlands in hpcn@writeme.com.=20
  • site tijdelijk = ondergebracht op http://www.pi.net/~nies= sing/pcn/home.htm
MV Pacific Coast = Netherlands gaat er=20 vanuit dat u ondanks deze site- en e-mail-adres wijziging op de hoogte = wilt=20 blijven van
activiteiten en wetenswaardigheden, vandaar dit = e-mailtje. In=20 verband met ruimte gebrek op deze tijdelijke site het aantal=20 foto's 
tijdelijk = beperkt.

Voor al uw=20 vragen, aanmeldingen als lid/aspirant-lid of donateur, te koop = aangeboden of=20 gevraagd en Pacific Post informatie kunt  
u eveneens het aangegeven = e-mail-adres:=20 hpcn@writeme.com = gebruiken.

Zeer=20 binnenkort zullen wij u middels e-mail op de hoogte brengen van onze = nieuwe=20 site-specificatie, zodat u uw bookmarks/favorieten hierop kunt=20 aanpassen.

Ik hoop u voorlopig voldoende te hebben=20 geinformeerd.

Namens het bestuur van MV Pacific Coast Netherlands = (PCN), 

Silvonton=20 Niessing
 
 
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:28:45 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gerard Diepeveen Subject: PC800: Pacific Coast Netherlands Now you can see how silly the people are at PCN, sending a Dutch message to a American email list. They simply stole my complete previous web site because like I told you in my last email, they claimed the site because their name is on it, that would be the same as renting a house put your name on the door and when your landlord says that you have to get out of the house you are claiming the house because your name is on it!! The site is now on another address. (http://www.pi.net/~niessing/pcn/home.htm) if your able to get through. They probably will use all the pictures, all of you send me, on "their" page. They might even use or mis-use your email addresses, so if you like to tell them that you not appreciate what they have done let them know at this email address: hpcn@writeme.com Gerard Gerard Diepeveen, Secretary for Honda Pacific Coast Europe email: pcn@dsv.nl Webpager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/2149445 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Pacific Coast Rocky Mountain 1998 tour: http://www.dsv.nl/~pcn/rocky-mountain98-tour.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------- visit the Honda Pacific Coast Europe website: http://www.dsv.nl/~pcn/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:34:19 -0500 From: Bill McKenna To: st1100@st1100.com Subject: PC800: Thanksgiving http://www.mint.net/~bmckenna/thanks.htm -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jfmoemd@aol.com by mrin52.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id TAA07441; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:51:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:51:03 -0500 (EST) To: "Jgeist lubtx"@door.net cc: fsl@borgconsulting.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Winter has arrived in Ottawa Well, I found a set of bib overalls (for skiers) for $29.95 so I'll be out there tomorrow. We stilll have snow on the ground but none on the roads. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Posted-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:24:43 +0100 (MET) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Pacific Coast Netherlands" To: "Willem van Alderwerelt" <101362.2633@CompuServe.COM>, "Todd Scot" , "Tim, Desi & Vicki Smith" , "Ruud Olivier" , "Ruud Massink" , "Rutger van der Velde" , "Ron v/d Dussen" , "Roelof van Belkum" , "Roel & Ans Schuhmacher" , "Robin van Hattum" , "Robert de Vries" <0dvries24@lelystad.flnet.nl>, "Rob van Delft" , "Rob Ramsey" , "Ricardo Morell Gamboa" , "Pieter van Gend" , "Philip Ross" , "Peter Everts" , "Peter Doorenweerd" , "PC800 e-mail group" , "Martin Molema" , "M. van der Lans" , "Jos Driessens" , "Joop van der Weerd" , "Joe Beresford" , "Jeroen Hamers" <9612893@luc.ac.be>, "Jeroen Glorie" , "Jan Leertouwer" , "Ian Holman" , "Henry Schaefer (via vriend I-net)" , "Harm Brink" , "Hans Looman" , "Gordon Lief" , "Gert Wessels" , "Gerri Ewing" , "Frank Renes (Marjan Hogenbirk)" , "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Frank_B=F6seler?=" , "Francois Saint Laurent" , "Eric Trow" , "Chris Morrow" , "Charles Shepler" , "Bob Passell" , "Billy Ondo" , "Bert Satter" , "Bert Outhuijse" , "Bas Kruit" , "Ascon de Vries" , "Arwin Verhoef" , "Alexander Gray" , "Adrie van Kampen (via Rob van Vliet)" , "Hans van Vliet" , "Gerard & Marjan Minke" <106041.1212@CompuServe.COM>, "Rick Ringma" , "Michael de Ruiter Zylker" , "Steve Frehe" , "Warner A. Henderson" <105437.2123@CompuServe.COM>, "=?iso-8859-1?Q?G=F6ran_Olsson?=" , "Michael S. Brown" , "James A. McCarty" , "Richard Blower" , "Chris Bradly" , "Alice E. Riggs" , "Rene Vecchio" , "Josef Dorer" , "Mike Bowman" , "Julie Pipkin" , "Kathleen Feher" , "Harry Kellam" , "Family Wells" , "Paul Hayes" , "Rod Kent" , "Mr. Kelly J. Larson" , "John Allen" , "Bob Rufener" , "Walter Kern" , "Dave Lott" , "Todd Zedak" , "James Hyder" , "Dan Cote" , "E.Y. Murphey" , "Gary E. Klim" , "David J. Fial" , "Dave Gross" , "Bob & Grace Parker" , "Micaland" , "Johan Lai" , "Thomas Zander" <106265.455@CompuServe.COM>, "Neill Thompson" , "Roger Prince" , "Mike Larson" , "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM>, "Harrison Spain" <_spain@edsug.com>, "Bill McKenna" , "Juan A. Goula" , "Robert Tuttle" , "Blaise R. Box" , "Erik York" , "Carol Ann Decelle-Meek" , "Bryce Ulrich" , "Jason L. Tibbitts III" , "Eric Matthews" , "Phil Lewis" , "Greg Skolnik" , "Rich Wardwell" , "Steven Weinerman" , "Mark Skrocki" Subject: PC800: Pacific Coast Netherlands site-movement and e-mail change Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:25:07 +0100 Dutch version: =20 Beste PC-leden en PC-vrienden, Sinds kort bestaan er twee Pacific Coast clubs naast elkaar. Hierdoor = zijn wij als MV Pacific Coast Netherlands genoodzaakt onze web-site te = verplaatsen naar een andere provider. Dat wordt op dit moment geregeld. = Vooruit lopend hierop zijn de volgende=20 acties uitgezet: a.. wijziging van het e-mail adres van MV Pacific Coast Netherlands in = hpcn@writeme.com.=20 b.. site tijdelijk ondergebracht op = http://www.pi.net/~niessing/pcn/home.htm MV Pacific Coast Netherlands gaat er vanuit dat u ondanks deze site- = en e-mail-adres wijziging op de hoogte wilt blijven van activiteiten en wetenswaardigheden, vandaar dit e-mailtje. In verband = met ruimte gebrek op deze tijdelijke site het aantal foto's=20 tijdelijk beperkt. Voor al uw vragen, aanmeldingen als lid/aspirant-lid of donateur, te = koop aangeboden of gevraagd en Pacific Post informatie kunt =20 u eveneens het aangegeven e-mail-adres: hpcn@writeme.com gebruiken. Zeer binnenkort zullen wij u middels e-mail op de hoogte brengen van = onze nieuwe site-specificatie, zodat u uw bookmarks/favorieten hierop = kunt aanpassen. Ik hoop u voorlopig voldoende te hebben geinformeerd. Namens het bestuur van MV Pacific Coast Netherlands (PCN),=20 Silvonton Niessing -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- English version: =20 Dear PC-members and PC-friends, There are two Pacific Coast clubs at the moment. That's the reason why = we, MV Pacific Coast Netherlands, are forced to move our =20 web-site to another provider. That is being taken care of at the moment. = In the meanwhile the following actions are taken: a.. changing the e-mail address of MV Pacific Coast Netherlands into = hpcn@writeme.com.=20 b.. site temporarily move to = http://www.pi.net/~niessing/pcn/home.htm MV Pacific Coast Netherlands is confident that in spite of the site- = en e-mail-address change you are willing to stay informed of activities and interesting facts, that's why we send you this e-mail. = Due to a lake of space on the temporary site the number of pictures will = temporarily be limited.=20 For questions, messages, registration as member or supporter, for sale = or to sell and Pacific Post information you can use the same = e-mail-address: hpcn@writeme.com Very soon we will inform you by e-mail about our new site-specification, = so you can change your bookmark.=20 I hope you have been informed so far.=20 On behalf of the Board of MV Pacific Coast Netherlands (PCN), =20 Silvonton Niessing elkaar.=20 Hierdoor zijn wij als MV Pacific Coast Netherlands genoodzaakt onze = web-site te=20 verplaatsen naar een andere provider. Dat wordt op dit moment geregeld. = Vooruit=20 lopend hierop zijn de volgende 
acties = uitgezet:
  • wijziging van het=20 e-mail adres van MV = Pacific Coast=20 Netherlands in hpcn@writeme.com.=20
  • site tijdelijk = ondergebracht op http://www.pi.net/~nies= sing/pcn/home.htm
MV Pacific Coast = Netherlands gaat er=20 vanuit dat u ondanks deze site- en e-mail-adres wijziging op de hoogte = wilt=20 blijven van
activiteiten en wetenswaardigheden, vandaar dit = e-mailtje. In=20 verband met ruimte gebrek op deze tijdelijke site het aantal=20 foto's 
tijdelijk = beperkt.

Voor al uw=20 vragen, aanmeldingen als lid/aspirant-lid of donateur, te koop = aangeboden of=20 gevraagd en Pacific Post informatie kunt  
u eveneens het aangegeven = e-mail-adres:=20 hpcn@writeme.com = gebruiken.

Zeer=20 binnenkort zullen wij u middels e-mail op de hoogte brengen van onze = nieuwe=20 site-specificatie, zodat u uw bookmarks/favorieten hierop kunt=20 aanpassen.

Ik hoop u voorlopig voldoende te hebben=20 geinformeerd.

Namens het bestuur van MV Pacific Coast Netherlands = (PCN), 

Silvonton Niessing
English=20 version:
 
Dear PC-members and=20 PC-friends,

There are two Pacific Coast clubs at the moment. = That's the=20 reason why we, MV Pacific Coast Netherlands, are forced to move=20 our  
web-site to another = provider. That is=20 being taken care of at the moment. In the meanwhile the following = actions are=20 taken:
  • changing = the e-mail=20 address of MV Pacific = Coast=20 Netherlands into hpcn@writeme.com.=20
  • site temporarily move to = http://www.pi.net/~nies= sing/pcn/home.htm
MV Pacific Coast = Netherlands is=20 confident that in spite of the site- en e-mail-address change you are = willing to=20 stay informed of
activities and interesting facts, that's why we send = you=20 this e-mail. Due to a lake of space on the temporary site the number of = pictures=20 will temporarily be limited. 

For questions, messages, registration as member or = supporter, for=20 sale or to sell and Pacific Post information you can use the same = e-mail-address: hpcn@writeme.com

Very soon = we will=20 inform you by e-mail about our new site-specification, so you can change = your=20 bookmark. 

I hope you have been = informed so=20 far. 

On behalf of the Board = of MV=20 Pacific Coast Netherlands (PCN),  

Silvonton=20 Niessing
-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MVerVelde@aol.com by mrin53.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA13384; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:13:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:13:32 -0500 (EST) To: ramin@tibco.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: FW: WIFE 1.0 Ramin writes: << In this day and age? Probably. From anyone on this list? I'm thinking not. ;-) We're all a bit smarter than that. You should get yourself an AM-radio show and go on the air and tell everyone that God has spoken to you and you now know when the end of the world is coming and that all the faithful should send you money so that you can set up an organization to spread the word :-):-):-):-):-):-) While this sounds funny, some guy in Livermore, CA did just that a few years ago. He raised approx. $12 million and bailed! I'm thinking he's in Bali by now, living like a king! >> yeah, who is smarter now? 12 million smarter! Makes you wonder how there could be so many suckers in this country! Mike V -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MVerVelde@aol.com by mrin51.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA03386; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:14:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:14:06 -0500 (EST) To: spain@edsug.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Rear Seat In a message dated 97-11-18 01:28:46 EST, you write: << Anyone have a spare rear seat that they would like to sell? I'm also interested in the rider seat but the rear seat is a "must-have" :-). >> I have tje 89 rider and passenger seat in good shape. Now that I know how much of a price difference there is between Cycle parts and the dealer, I'll be offering my wares at half cycle parts price plus shipping. Mike V -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Fireman Joe" To: Cc: "PC800 Listservice" Subject: PC800: : WIFE 1.0 Update Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:39:19 -0500 now for the lighter side of WIFE1.0 please check out the bottom of the following web page URL.... http://www.kabi.si/dalibor/alert.html :-) Life is short---Go ride! ;-p Joe Beresford/CINCINNATI, OH USA!!!/AKA:cableguy@one.net (or) Fireman_Joe@CompuServe.Com Cellular 513-535-8203 ICQ-# 4172815 <<<>>> Guzzidoug's Motorcycle Stuff "I'll Club A Seal, To Make A Deal" http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/1696 Honda Sport Touring Assoc. http://members.aol.com/hstawww Pacific Coast 800 http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800/ Time-Warner Cable Communications http://www.pathfinder.com Want to learn more about Cable TV?? http://www.cabl.com Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email- http://www.cauce.org Want to getaway to a lake or have a golf weekend- http://www.reynoldsgolf.com Touched By An Angel http://www.touched.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "ckp" To: , Subject: PC800: Honda Pacific Coast Europe address change Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:52:50 +0100 Dear Pacific Coasters, In my last email (nov. 17th) I told you that I wouldn't change the address, but I had to change the name for legal reasons, the new address is: http://www.dsv.nl/~pce/ but the old address is still valid and will redirect you automatically to the new address. My new email address will be: pce@dsv.nl Yours sincerely, Gerard Diepeveen -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael S. Brown" To: "Gerard Diepeveen" Cc: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Pacific Coast Netherlands Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:52:25 -0600 Hi Gerard, (snip) > Now you can see how silly the people are at PCN, sending a Dutch message to > a American email list. > > They simply stole my complete previous web site because like I told you in > my last email, they claimed the site because their name is on it,... I agree! As I stated before - "Those who can create - those who can't, steal. I've enjoyed your excitement in locating new improvements to the PC. Thanks again for posting some of my photos on your "old" web site. It seems that as most "groups" evolve (bad adjective as it denotes progress) the concept of control eventually crops up. How are the members controlled? How should the members act? What should the members wear? etc ad nauseum. There is a certain unpredictibility to this group. Almost chaos at times. Yet I personally find this atmosphere much more satisfying than one of constant conformity. Enjoy your trip in the states. Michael '90 PC800 "ESCAPN" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA12401 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:28:55 -0600 (CST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:28:55 -0600 (CST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Dave Lott Subject: PC800: East Meets West, A Great Time I have the great fortune to realize the benefit of this list last weekend. After conversing for over a year, I was going to be in San Diego for a conference and had the opportunity to stay over the weekend and do some riding. My plan was to rent a bike and ride with some of the Southern California PC riders on the weekend. Richard Hardy of San Diego was kind enought to volunteer to ride with me. Phil Lewis and Johan Lai had other committments during the day, but we planned to eat supper together. Well, the weather in San Diego wasn't that great with a constant rain starting shortly after my arrival on Tuesday. The weather started to clear on Friday, but I had some meetings come up. The folks at California Motorcycle Rental wouldn't budge from their 2 day minimum policy and I just couldn't see paying the big $$ for just a day's riding. Well Richard came to the rescue and offered to take me as a passenger on his '90 PC. Success after all! Richard picked me up at 9am at the hotel that was about a mile from his home in LaJolla. It was down I-5 and across the Coronado bridge (free to m/c) with its fantastic view of the harbor. Motored by the posh Hotel Del Coronado and down the Silver Strand with its scenic ocean views. Down through Imperial Beach and down to Chula Vista where it was National Garage Sale weekend. Every block we passed had at least one garage or rummage sale going on! Out L Street past the old ranches now being converted to housing subdivisions and into the canyons. I'm not sure if I remember this all okay, but we went out L street where it turned into Telegraph Canyon road. Then to Otay Lakes Road, Proctor Valley Road and Melody Road. Great roads with fantastic scenery that led to Lyons Valley Road that went through the national forest. On to Japatul Valley Road and a stop just before getting on I-8 to put on a little warmer clothes. We buzzed along I-8 for a short stretch and then exited north on Laguna Mountain Road which led over the top of Mt. Laguna. At 5,000 ft. it was quite chilly (low 40s maybe), but the sun was out and as we descended towards Julian it began to warm back up. What a fantastic view from this heavily forested road across the almost barren McCain Valley! We stopped in Julian and Richard and I sampled some spectacularly delicous, melt in your mouth Dutch Apple pie (topped off with a scoop of cinnamon ice cream) and a cup of hot apple cider. After a short break, we headed off on Hwy 78 into the desert and to Borrego Springs. What a contrast of the desert and then crossing the ridge to the valley and seeing a tiny patch of green known as Borrego Springs. We planned to fill up, but the major gas station was closed for remodeling. After a short butt break, we found a little one island station and filled up. Ouch, $1.79 a gallon compared to $1.05 back in Atlanta, thank goodness for the fuel economy of the PC. We took S22 out of Borrego Springs and crossed the mountains again. Being a passenger was a first time experience and we really felt the winds gusting. At times it felt like the gusts were trying to rip my full faced helmet off my head. South on Hwy 79 to Santa Ysabel and then 78 to Ramona and then back to LaJolla. We got back to the hotel about 3:30. A great day of riding and sightseeing. I picked Richard and his wife Hideko later that evening and we drove up to Carlsbad where we met Phil and Meredith Lewis and Johan & Lillian Lai for dinner at Marie Callendars. We didn't have any trouble picking Phil and Johan out of the waiting crowd in the lobby as they were wearing their PC embroidered shirts. We had a great time getting to know one another better. Richard had ridden with some of the other PC list members before, but this was the first time he had met Phil and Johan. Phil let us all play with his newest gizmo, a digital camera. We finished off our meals with a wide variety of Marie's famous pies. It was just a pie kind of day, although I have to admit the Julian Dutch Apple beat the Marie Callendar cherry pie hands down! It was with some real sadness we said our goodbyes. I drove Richard and Hideko back home and we promised to get together again in the future. What a great weekend with some fantastic folks. Richard, thanks for the tour, it was great! Phil & Johan, thanks for taking the time to drive down and giving us a chance to meet. Hopefully we can all ride together soon. Have a safe ride to Comdex and Las Vegas. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 01:26:39 -0800 From: Philip Lewis To: Dave Lott CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: East Meets West, A Great Time Dave Lott wrote: > > I have the great fortune to realize the benefit of this list last weekend. That's one of the really nice things in life is meeting other really nice people! Dave, it was a pleasure meeting you and Richard and Hideko. You can all see the results of my digital camera at http://www.concentric.net/~Pilewis1/pcphotos/san_d.htm. I hope to see you all again soon. Look for digital updates of our trip (Johan and I) to Comdex on Friday! See Ya', Phil -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:26:27 -0500 From: Roger Prince To: HSTA , PC800 Mail List Cc: stevjohn@interserv.com Subject: PC800: Intercom for sale For Sale: J&M Intercom. (1)MI449 intercom amplifier and (2)HS4119FF headsets. This unit was installed in a 1990 PC800. Complete package. $200. rogerprince@iname.com (508)528-5758 Home (508)898-7302 Work ########################################## *ROGER PRINCE XXXX PC800, 1995 PC800 * *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 * *FRANKLIN, MA * ########################################## -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m3.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id LUO15174; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:37:54 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pilewis1@concentric.net Cc: dlwinger@ix3.ix.netcom.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:37:31 -0800 Subject: Re: PC800: East Meets West, A Great Time From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy) >You can all see the results of my digital camera at >http://www.concentric.net/~Pilewis1/pcphotos/san_d.htm. >Phil Phil, they're great! Thank you. Richard -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m3.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id LUN15174; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:37:54 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: dlwinger@ix3.ix.netcom.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:12:28 -0800 Subject: Re: PC800: East Meets West, A Great Time From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy) Dave, Thank you so much for your great write-up of our weekend. You have a very good memory for place names, road names, etc. Your write-up captured the spirit of the day perfectly. Thanks to you, I also got to meet Johann, Lillian, Phil, and Meredith. I hope you get out here again, Dave. Richard Hardy -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:25:46 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: "PACIFIC COAST GROUP" Subject: PC800: Highway Hawk Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:16:34 -0500 Gerard, Do you have a contact in the Holland for Highway Hawk? Some guys on the Shadow list would like to order some accessories from them. Vince in Fort Myers,FL -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id UiE24912; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:41:01 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: indian@dorje.com Cc: indian@starklite.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, spatz@cpcug.com Subject: PC800: Re: Fasssst Service & a bad experience. From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:41:01 EST Adam I tell ya....Condon and Skelly won't write in Virginia. JC Taylor has to have an antique car with a single antique bike or total of 3 antique bikes. If I insure it as an antique the chief activity (no pun intended) has to be parades and shows and if I ride it ea weekend it is no deal). So I told my client, a State Farm Agt, how much I paid Allstate (yes paid). It was like $424 ea 6 mos. He sez, "Oh $848 a yr., I can do better. How about $275?" So we do it and he calls and sez he screwed up and rated it as if I have a car with him. Now it is $30 more than Allstate and pay once a yr rather than twice a yr with Allstate. So I come groveling back to Allstate after taking my 3 rice burners and my 3 cars away from Allstate to save over $600 annually (went to Progressive Insurance) and Allstate sez it will be double now, over $800 yr for the Indian. So I call another Allstate agent who does not know me from a bale of hay and he quotes $1200 with a guarantee of $20,000 value unlike my old agent with whom I would have to argue the value in case of loss. Soon I will pull my homeowners away from Allstate going to AARP/Hartford-ITT to save about $125 a yr on homeowners so I am now afraid to ride in front of my Allstate guy as he probably will blow me off the Indian. I am really PO'd at the State Farm guy but stuck with him. Another outfit that insures old military people won't take me in VA. I have tried every suggestion I was given on the internet chat groups and I am blue in the face. Did you expect this big a reply Adam? On Thu, 20 Nov 1997 05:25:10 -0700 (MST) Adam Spatz writes: >Try Condon and Skelly: > >1-800-257-9496 Yeah :( Rocky > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:51:00 -0500 From: Jason To: Rocky E Rocheux , 0PC800 Subject: PC800: Insurance, MA to CT move. In MA (Damn regulated insurance, they screw you no matter where you go) I had a quote on my PC of around $400, all inclusive. Ended up that $1100 was the all inclusive. Ugh. I didn't get it, wen't with much less. If I quote a client a price, I damn well stick to it. If I have to take a loss, so be it, next time I will be more careful. I've recently moved to CT and now am looking to insure my 96 Intrepid ES and the PC 800 down here. Anyone on the list have any suggestions? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Fireman Joe" To: "PC800 Listservice" Cc: "CB-750 List" Subject: PC800: Honda's web site... Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:20:25 -0500 Honda's new WWW page= http://www.hondamotorcycle.com/ I Went to this site and requested info on the ST.... they sent me the 1997 Bike Catalog...... Ok perrty neat for a freebie.... Ok starts with the Gold Wing SE and Aspencade ... but page 6 Says Sport Touring with a pic of a ST and PC800, ok a little razzle dazzle info and then on the next adjoining page there's pic's of 3 bikes from top to bottom each with descriptions, ST1100absII/ST1100/Pacific Coast. Humm I Thought interesting they consider the PC a sport tourer.... Ok Continuing through the brochure, the Sportbikes pages have:CBR1100xx/Super Hawk/VFR750F/CBR900RR/CBR600F3/ Custom have: Valkyrie Tourer/Valkyrie/Shadow A.C.E. Tourer/Shadow A.C.E./Shadow Spirit 1000 /Magna/Shadow VLX Deluxe/Shadow VLX/Rebel then they have Nighthawks section: Nighthawk 750/Nighthawk then they go into the dirt products....CR's/XR/XRL/OffRoad Fun=XR200r to Z50R then Fourttrax 4x4 quads, Foreman 400 to Recon and the 90 and then Scooters Helix/Elite80/Elite 50R/Elite50S So what's the deal.... well I found it slightly amussing that the PC was in the same page as a ST, and that the Night Hawk is in a class all by itself...... Its kinda neat for a freebie...go get one! :-) Life is short---Go ride! ;-p Joe Beresford/CINCINNATI, OH USA!!!/AKA:cableguy@one.net (or) Fireman_Joe@CompuServe.Com Cellular 513-535-8203 ICQ-# 4172815 <<<>>> Guzzidoug's Motorcycle Stuff "I'll Club A Seal, To Make A Deal" http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/1696 Ohio H.S.T.A. http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~bcd/oh-hsta/ Honda Sport Touring Assoc. http://members.aol.com/hstawww Pacific Coast 800 http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800/ Time-Warner Cable Communications http://www.pathfinder.com Want to learn more about Cable TV?? http://www.cabl.com Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email- http://www.cauce.org Want to getaway to a lake or have a golf weekend- http://www.reynoldsgolf.com Touched By An Angel http://www.touched.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:47:27 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mike Whited" To: "Fireman Joe" , "PC800 Listservice" Cc: "CB-750 List" Subject: Re: PC800: Honda's web site... Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 06:44:53 -0500 Out of curiosity, what do you classify the PC? Mike A neighbor in Columbus ---------- > From: Fireman Joe > To: PC800 Listservice > Cc: CB-750 List > Subject: PC800: Honda's web site... > Date: Friday, November 21, 1997 1:20 AM > Coast. Humm I Thought interesting they consider the PC a sport tourer.... -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:13:49 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:13:29 -0500 From: "J. MARK VENABLE" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: RE: Insurance, MA to CT move. Rocky E Rocheux wrote: >In MA (Damn regulated insurance, they screw you no matter where you go) I >had a quote on my PC of around $400, all inclusive. Ended up that $1100 >was the all inclusive. Ugh. I didn't get it, wen't with much less. If I >quote a client a price, I damn well stick to it. If I have to take a loss, >so be it, next time I will be more careful. I've recently moved to CT and >now am looking to insure my 96 Intrepid ES and the PC 800 down here. >Anyone on the list have any suggestions? My 1990 PC is insured year round with Progressive for $123.00 / yr My agent is Fallon Insurance in East Lyme Ct. Ct. mandates a 10% discount if you've taken the MSF safety course New riders also don't have to take the state riding test for their MC license if they've passed the course. regards Mark Venable 1990 PC 800 "This End Up" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:16:55 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:16:36 -0500 From: "J. MARK VENABLE" To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: OOPS Insurance, MA to CT move. Sorry, that was Jason I was replying too. In any case, welcome to Connecticut. maybe cheaper insurance, but more expensive gas! Mark Venable 1990 PC 800 "This End Up" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:52:11 -0500 From: Jason To: "J. MARK VENABLE" CC: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: OOPS Insurance, MA to CT move. Ayuh, gas is more, but only by about 15 cents/gal where I moved to. In New Haven, where I work, it's about 40 cents/gal more than where I lived in MA. It is more than offset by the lower taxes, though. Being a small business owner in MA is terrible. Thanks for the welcome! > In any case, welcome to Connecticut. maybe cheaper insurance, but > more > expensive gas! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Wes St.Onge" To: "Tom & Judy Wood" , "Wings" , "Ken Tonkinson" , "Ray Taylor" , "Jim Sensbach" , "Carol Sensbach" , "Herb Schaefer" , "PC800" , "MOTOLIST" , "Bob Manchester" , "Carey Hill" , "Rick Dinnis" , "Mike McGrath" , "Larry Shoebridge" , "Mick Darius" , "Michel Vuille" , "Brennon F Miller" , "Lily & John Worrall" , "Chris Kuiphoff" , "Rocco Cole" , "Mike Glezos" , "Phil Coons" , "John W. Kannard Jr." , "Bill Hayes" , "Ed Cook" , "Bill Jermyn" , "Dave McElderry" , "Dave Secor" , "Dave Drucker" , "Phil Smith" , "Dane McKitrick" , "Dick Taylor" , "Bruce Robinson" , "Jack & Vivian Pier" , "Al Fuerst" , "Al Findanza" , "Franz Breunig" Subject: PC800: 1998 NYS Retread Rally Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 07:08:15 -0500 The 1998 NYS Retread Rally will be held here in Oneonta, NY (my hometown), July 17,18,19. I have created a series of pages to describe it, provide some tourist links, accommodations, etc. Please visit http://www.norwich.net/~stongew IF YOU PLAN TO COME AND STAY IN A MOTEL .....make your reservations NOW. Because of Cooperstown's museums and other tourist sites, Oneonta's Soccer Hall of Fame and tournaments, etc. there is a severe shortage of motels. We were totally UNABLE to block any rooms. Camping will be your best bet, but if you don't mind college dormitory style accommodations be sure to contact the Morris Conference Center at SUNY Oneonta. (details provided). Wes St.Onge, Maryland NY Retreads, AMA, GWRRA, HRCA - '86 GL1200i, OFOTWOTI 1998 NYS Retread Rally Site: http://www.norwich.net/~stongew -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:56:35 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John Scalisi" To: crazyapple@ibm.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:52:18 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: Re: OOPS Insurance, MA to CT move. I also use Progressive for my 1990 PC800. I live in Torrington and used the Progressive 800 number to get the insurance, not through a local agent. With a 3 month layover (Dec, Jan & Feb) my annual premium for the PC is only $113. Haven't gotten a quote from Progressive yet for my cars. Still have the cars with Allstate. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Fri, 21 Nov 1997 13:33:33 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John Scalisi" To: rahardy@juno.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 13:29:15 -0400 Subject: PC800: Re: OOPS Insurance, MA to CT move. The Progressive number is 1-800-288-6776. If they tell you they don't insure in your state ask to be connected to the progressive district that does. They have different offices serving different regions. The first time I called they told me that they didn't do Connecticut. I called back and someone else said, "Hold on, I'll transfer you to our Cleveland Office. They handle Connecticut". I've know other people that have had the same experience here in Connecticut. So don't just take no for an answer. Good luck. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:56:12 -0800 From: Phil Lewis To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Comdex Trip Hey There! We (Johan and I) hate to show off the beautiful weather that we're having out here, but we just couldn't resist!! :) You can catch us at our best (or worst) at http://john.csun.edu/pc/comdex/comdex.htm. We will report on more of our Comdex trip later. (Aren't these laptop computers great!!??) See Ya' Johan and Phil -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:27:22 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John Scalisi" To: t.gerarden@dcwm.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:23:04 -0400 Subject: RE: PC800: Re: OOPS Insurance, MA to CT move. That includes everything. And the only thing that comes off during the lay over is collision. My liability limits are as low as they'll go but my comp and collision deductibles are only $250 as I recall. I'll have to double check. t.gerarden@dcwm.com on 11/21/97 02:16:43 PM ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: John Scalisi/CHQ/Loctite Americas cc: Subject: RE: PC800: Re: OOPS Insurance, MA to CT move. Is that liability, comprehensive, and collision with a reasonable deductible? The rate is very good--I'm at around $360/year with Geico. ___________________________________________________________________________ ____ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John Scalisi" on Fri, Nov 21, 1997 12:55 PM Subject: Re: PC800: Re: OOPS Insurance, MA to CT move. To: crazyapple@ibm.net; pc800@hpc.uh.edu I also use Progressive for my 1990 PC800. I live in Torrington and used the Progressive 800 number to get the insurance, not through a local agent. With a 3 month layover (Dec, Jan & Feb) my annual premium for the PC is only $113. Haven't gotten a quote from Progressive yet for my cars. Still have the cars with Allstate. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger_Ries@gs.moore.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 13:56:20 -0600 Subject: Re: PC800: Comdex Trip WOW, great pictures. Sure glad I'm hooked up to a T1 line for fast downloads of all those pics. I don't have a PC yet but I have a bike valued at $1400, insurance is about $85 full coverage year round. Even if I would like to take the bike out in a Minnesota -20F temp. in Jan. I'm covered. Insurance company is Dairyland. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:48:50 -0900 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC800: Comdex Trip At 10:56 11/21/97 -0800, you wrote: >Hey There! > >We (Johan and I) hate to show off the beautiful weather that we're >having out here, but we just couldn't resist!! :) Great way to enhance a trip report. And you don't have to wait for your pictures to come back from the developer! I've got a couple of questions: What is that white car behind Johan's PC, and what happened to his left passenger peg? Oh yeah, did you guys actually stay at the Luxor? Looks like an interesting place. Have a safe journey back. Juan "We few, we happy few, we band of PC Riders" -- With apologies to William Shakespeare --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '91 Suzuki VX800 University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id SjI08491; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:44:52 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: John_Scalisi@loctite.com Cc: crazyapple@ibm.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: Progressive saved me $$$$ From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:44:52 EST Yeah, well Progressive saved me a bloody fortune on my 3 cars. Rocky On Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:52:18 -0400 "John Scalisi" writes: > >I also use Progressive for my 1990 PC800. >agent. >With a 3 month layover (Dec, Jan & Feb) my annual premium for the PC >is >only $113. Haven't gotten a quote from Progressive yet for my cars. Still have cars w/Allstate.- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id T|J08491; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:12:35 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: My gosh! From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:12:35 EST My gosh, those pics on the internet put up by Phil Lewis. That is interstate 10 west of Palm Springs--San Gorgonio Pass, if I am not missing the mark. When you were all kids I was riding that before the lower speed limits and the limit was 75MPH and I made Anaheim from Phoenix in 4 hrs and 30 min and the interstate ended near Buckeye, AZ in those days. We did that on a 69 R60 BMW, two up and not sparing the horses. The wind in the pass is so furious we had a severe lean to the left one day---and Carolyn hollers to me to look at how severely Steve Sinohui's bike is leaning to the left. I hollered back for her to look down at the pavement on the left side of our bike and she could have touched it with her fingers. "What if the wind quits all of a sudden?" asked Carolyn. "I dunno, sideslide, I guess," I answered. That was back in the 60s and 70s and what memories those wonderful pictures brought back to me. Thank you all very much! Can't wait to share those pics with Carolyn next time I see her (she is always at work it seems-complain? me? nahhhh). Rocky -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 00005624; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:50:37 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:47:25 -0500 From: Dan_Messaros@nps.gov (Dan Messaros) Subject: Re: PC800: Insurance, MA to CT move. To: Rocky E Rocheux , 0PC800 , Jason Content-Description: cc:Mail note part I have National General Insurance Co. through Rider Magazine. The phone number is 1-800-847-2886 EXT 6156. I pay $273.00 a year for my 1990 PC, 1988 NX650 and my wife's 1988 Shadow 800. It breaks down to $114.00 each for FULL coverage on the PC and the Shadow. This rate is in Washington State, but I was paying around $100.00 for Liability when I lived in Pennsylvania and had a 750 Saber. The rate went down to $90.00 when I moved to Washington State. The $114.00 rate also includes accessory coverage up to $1,500.00. I have had Nat. Gen for about 6 years and after the first year the rate came down and has not gone up other then when I pulled or added bikes. They also have car rates but I have not looked into them yet. Dan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: PC800: Insurance, MA to CT move. Author: Jason at NP--INTERNET Date: 11/20/97 9:51 PM In MA (Damn regulated insurance, they screw you no matter where you go) I had a quote on my PC of around $400, all inclusive. Ended up that $1100 was the all inclusive. Ugh. I didn't get it, wen't with much less. If I quote a client a price, I damn well stick to it. If I have to take a loss, so be it, next time I will be more careful. I've recently moved to CT and now am looking to insure my 96 Intrepid ES and the PC 800 down here. Anyone on the list have any suggestions? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Fireman Joe" To: "Mike Whited" Cc: "PC800 Listservice" Subject: Re: PC800: Honda's web site... Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:49:11 -0500 well the PC is the best of all classes...it's sport, its touring, its a low cost like the nighthawk, and very low maintenance like a scooter.... Life is short---Go ride! Joe Beresford/CINCINNATI, OH USA!!!/AKA:cableguy@one.net (or) Fireman_Joe@CompuServe.Com Cellular 513-535-8203 ICQ-# 4172815 <<<>>> Guzzidoug's Motorcycle Stuff "I'll Club A Seal, To Make A Deal" http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/1696 Ohio H.S.T.A. http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~bcd/oh-hsta/ Honda Sport Touring Assoc. http://members.aol.com/hstawww Pacific Coast 800 http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800/ Time-Warner Cable Communications http://www.pathfinder.com Want to learn more about Cable TV?? http://www.cabl.com Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email- http://www.cauce.org Want to getaway to a lake or have a golf weekend- http://www.reynoldsgolf.com Touched By An Angel http://www.touched.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:01:06 -0900 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC800: What is a PC? At 01:20 11/21/97 -0500, Fireman Joe wrote: > So what's the deal.... well I found it slightly amussing that the PC was >in the same page as a ST, and that the Night Hawk is in a class all by >itself...... Joe, if you remember waaaay back when the dinosaurs (and Dana and Rocky) roamed the earth, and the PC was still young, Honda tried to market it as a, get this, "Sport Cruiser!" ha! Have a good weekend everyone. Juan "We few, we happy few, we band of PC Riders" -- With apologies to William Shakespeare --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '91 Suzuki VX800 University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 21:06:03 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: dave gross Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Progressive saved me $$$$ I'm amazed at these rates from Progressive. I'm paying about $450 a year from USAA...Although they've always been an EXCELLENT company as far as service and claims go, I'd be interested in hearing how Progressive compares in areas OTHER that just rates... Dave Gross www.halcyon.com/dkgross -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bob Ray" To: , "dave gross" Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Progressive saved me $$$$ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:29:06 -0600 Here in 'Bama I pay around $300/year for insurance on my 97 PC800 through State Farm. I have a $500 deductable on the comprehensive/collision and waived the uninsured motorist coverage. An agent told me that the uninsured motorist coverage only covered people who are in/on my vehicle who don't have medical insurance through another carrier. Cancelling this saved me $120/year on each and every vehicle I own. On my 93 GS500E, I pay $120/year but only have liability (100/300/100). Progressive was no where near these rates last time I called. Bob Ray ---------- > From: dave gross > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Progressive saved me $$$$ > Date: Friday, November 21, 1997 11:06 PM > > I'm amazed at these rates from Progressive. I'm paying about $450 a year > from USAA...Although they've always been an EXCELLENT company as far as > service and claims go, I'd be interested in hearing how Progressive > compares in areas OTHER that just rates... > > Dave Gross > www.halcyon.com/dkgross > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 08:56:17 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: HPCE Gerard Subject: PC800: Corbin Dear friends, I need a quick answer, at least before sunday, this weekend we (Honda Pacific Coast Euroep) are at a motorcycle exhibition in Holland, there a guy approched us, he has a complete corbin seat for the PC800 for just $315 Dollar, in perfect condition. My question how good is the Corbin and should I buy it for this price, because they normally say it costs in Holland about $700 Dollar, I've never had the opportunity to ried one. I need some expert advise on the prices and is it's really that better than the stock Honday seat. Thanks, Gerard Gerard Diepeveen, Secretary for Honda Pacific Coast Europe email: pce@dsv.nl Webpager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/2149445 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Pacific Coast Rocky Mountain 1998 tour: http://www.dsv.nl/~pce/rocky-mountain98-tour.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------- visit the Honda Pacific Coast Europe website: http://www.dsv.nl/~pce/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 04:01:26 -0500 From: Willem van Alderwerelt Subject: PC800: Corbin To: HPCE Gerard , PC800 owners Gerard About 2 years ago I bought my Corbin saddle at Safe Motors Rotterdam. At that time the price was dfl 865 which is about 430 US, quite different fr= om the prices you mention. I am very happy with it, especially the adjustab= le lumbar support or driver's positioner is great. Success with your decision Willem van Alderwerelt 1995 PC 800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com by mrin53.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA18880; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:54:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:54:54 -0500 (EST) To: pce@dsv.nl, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Corbin In a message dated 97-11-22 09:07:37 EST, pce@dsv.nl writes: << My question how good is the Corbin and should I buy it for this price, because they normally say it costs in Holland about $700 Dollar, I've never had the opportunity to ried one. I need some expert advise on the prices and is it's really that better than the stock Honday seat. >> Well, for what it's worth, riding on the Corbin is GREAT! I find it much more comfortable than stock and it is a little lower which made it easier for my wife to reach the ground with both feet (which, given the weight of a PC) can be very important... Installing the Corbin is another matter. I have owned two. Neither one fit right out of the box. Both required modifications that made me nervous since I am not a seat builder and I was afraid I might harm a very expensive seat. I didn't, and I got them both modified and installed. Still, I was so unimpressed by Corbin's quality control and customer service that I'll never buy another. However, in your case, that might not be reasonable. If this is a used seat, presumably, it fits. If it does, installation is easy and having it makes the bike much more comfortable. Now to the price. I bought my Corbin (both front and back seat, btw) for a little over $300 brand new a couple of years ago. That price sounds a bit steep to me. However, given the cost in Europe, it may not be a bad deal in your environment. I hope this helps... Regards, <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id MpG10454; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 12:06:10 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: dkgross@halcyon.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: Progressive saved me $$$$ From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E E Rocheux) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 12:06:10 EST I can not get on USAA as yet. They may change that soon, however and I am staying tuned. Progressive does not do antique mcycles. On Fri, 21 Nov 1997 21:06:03 -0800 dave gross writes: >I'm amazed at these rates from Progressive. I'm paying about $450 a >year >from USAA...Although they've always been an EXCELLENT company as far >as >service and claims go, I'd be interested in hearing how Progressive >compares in areas OTHER that just rates... > >Dave Gross >www.halcyon.com/dkgross > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id MpF10454; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 12:06:10 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Dan_Messaros@nps.gov Cc: indian@starklite.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, crazyapple@ibm.net Subject: Re: PC800: Insurance, MA to CT move. From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E E Rocheux) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 12:06:10 EST They do not do antique motorcycles. Any other ideas? On Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:47:25 -0500 Dan_Messaros@nps.gov (Dan Messaros) writes: > I have National General Insurance Co. through Rider Magazine. The > > phone number is 1-800-847-2886 EXT 6156. I pay $273.00 a year for >my > 1990 PC, 1988 NX650 and my wife's 1988 Shadow 800. It breaks down >to > $114.00 each for FULL coverage on the PC and the Shadow. This >rate is > in Washington State, but I was paying around $100.00 for >Liability > when I lived in Pennsylvania and had a 750 Saber. The rate went >down > to $90.00 when I moved to Washington State. The $114.00 rate also > > includes accessory coverage up to $1,500.00. I have had Nat. Gen >for > about 6 years and after the first year the rate came down and has >not > gone up other then when I pulled or added bikes. They also have >car > rates but I have not looked into them yet. > > Dan > > >______________________________ Reply Separator >_________________________________ >Subject: PC800: Insurance, MA to CT move. >Author: Jason at NP--INTERNET >Date: 11/20/97 9:51 PM > > >In MA (Damn regulated insurance, they screw you no matter where you >go) I >had a quote on my PC of around $400, all inclusive. Ended up that >$1100 >was the all inclusive. Ugh. I didn't get it, wen't with much less. >If I >quote a client a price, I damn well stick to it. If I have to take a >loss, >so be it, next time I will be more careful. I've recently moved to CT >and >now am looking to insure my 96 Intrepid ES and the PC 800 down here. >Anyone on the list have any suggestions? > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id MpH10454; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 12:06:10 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pce@dsv.nl Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Corbin From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E E Rocheux) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 12:06:10 EST I wish there were one for you to sit on. I had one here and the rear part it would not fit my 96. However the front part on the bike, sitting on it in the garage on the centerstand I found that it canted me forward into a severe lean, moreso than the lean produced by the stock seat. They agreed to take the seat back and said that as soon as another 96 rolled into the shop they would redo it and send it to me. Not wanting to wait for a period of time to be determined by when the next 96 rolled into their shop I asked for a refund, having sent the seat back. They would not respond so my credit card issuer examined the situation and gave me a refund. You can see my backrest if you want. I made a backrest that put the Corbin backrest to shame with Mickeymatt's plan from Pittsburg. Anyone know where MickeyMatt went? His old e-mail address is returning mail. Anyway let me know if you want to see the backrest--13 inches high>. Rocky On Sat, 22 Nov 1997 08:56:17 +0100 HPCE Gerard writes: >Dear friends, > >I need a quick answer, at least before sunday, this weekend we (Honda >Pacific Coast Euroep) are at a motorcycle exhibition in Holland, there >a >guy approched us, he has a complete corbin seat for the PC800 for just >$315 >Dollar, in perfect condition. > >My question how good is the Corbin and should I buy it for this price, >because they normally say it costs in Holland about $700 Dollar, I've >never >had the opportunity to ried one. >I need some expert advise on the prices and is it's really that better >than >the stock Honday seat. > >Thanks, >Gerard > > >Gerard Diepeveen, Secretary for >Honda Pacific Coast Europe >email: pce@dsv.nl >Webpager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/2149445 >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >Pacific Coast Rocky Mountain 1998 tour: >http://www.dsv.nl/~pce/rocky-mountain98-tour.htm >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >visit the Honda Pacific Coast Europe website: >http://www.dsv.nl/~pce/ >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id MtK10454; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 12:13:38 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Backrest From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E E Rocheux) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 12:13:38 EST --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: dancer90@juno.com (Carolyn B Rocklin) To: wb7nwr@ipa.net Cc: rocheux@juno.com Subject: montreal : Re: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux): Stan&Carolyn world famous! Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 19:38:39 EST > Subject: Stan&Carolyn world famous! > > > >I have had a lot of requests for the pics of me and the Indian and > >that of Carolyn showing a custom backrest that I made for the PC with >Ok so you want to see the custom crafted 13 inch backrest on the PC? Cursor down to the thingy where it sez "Carolyn and backrest" and click it. It will take you to SuperPhil Lewis pic of my 2 honeys> Rocky > > > >Here are the addresses respectively(if on line click url and see pic) > > > Stan (motorcycle net nickname "Rocky") and Indian > http://www.starklite.com/museum/redcloud.htm > >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/3142/redcloud.html > >http://www.duke.edu/~smb6/holiday2.html > > Carolyn and backrest > >http://www.concentric.net/~Pilewis1/pcphotos/BACKREST.HTM > --------- End forwarded message ---------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 00005B37; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:16:24 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:35:17 -0500 From: Dan_Messaros@nps.gov (Dan Messaros) Subject: Re[2]: PC800: Insurance, MA to CT move. To: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E E Rocheux) Cc: indian@starklite.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, crazyapple@ibm.net Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sorry, no other ideas other then what has been listed so far. I wish I had and antiquie bike to worry about, but I am lucky I have the ones I do now! _____Dan_________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Insurance, MA to CT move. Author: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E E Rocheux) at NP--INTERNET Date: 11/22/97 12:06 PM They do not do antique motorcycles. Any other ideas? On Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:47:25 -0500 Dan_Messaros@nps.gov (Dan Messaros) writes: > I have National General Insurance Co. through Rider Magazine. The > > phone number is 1-800-847-2886 EXT 6156. I pay $273.00 a year for >my > 1990 PC, 1988 NX650 and my wife's 1988 Shadow 800. It breaks down >to > $114.00 each for FULL coverage on the PC and the Shadow. This >rate is > in Washington State, but I was paying around $100.00 for >Liability > when I lived in Pennsylvania and had a 750 Saber. The rate went >down > to $90.00 when I moved to Washington State. The $114.00 rate also > > includes accessory coverage up to $1,500.00. I have had Nat. Gen >for > about 6 years and after the first year the rate came down and has >not > gone up other then when I pulled or added bikes. They also have >car > rates but I have not looked into them yet. > > Dan > > >______________________________ Reply Separator >_________________________________ >Subject: PC800: Insurance, MA to CT move. >Author: Jason at NP--INTERNET >Date: 11/20/97 9:51 PM > > >In MA (Damn regulated insurance, they screw you no matter where you >go) I >had a quote on my PC of around $400, all inclusive. Ended up that >$1100 >was the all inclusive. Ugh. I didn't get it, wen't with much less. >If I >quote a client a price, I damn well stick to it. If I have to take a >loss, >so be it, next time I will be more careful. I've recently moved to CT >and >now am looking to insure my 96 Intrepid ES and the PC 800 down here. >Anyone on the list have any suggestions? > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com by mrin51.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id QAA26044 for PC800@hpc.uh.edu; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 16:22:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 16:22:32 -0500 (EST) To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Deauvilla 650 Just got my copy of "Cycle World" for January. There is a Euro-syle commuting bike, The Deauville 650, pictured on page 24. It looks a lot like an updated version of the PC. With a larger engine, which CW says in not planned, it could be one hell of a machine. It is difficult to believe that Honda would expend the development expense for the Deauville for a single model 650 cc commuter bike. On Page 28 of CW Mercedes has an interesting version of General Motor's Lean Machine called the F300. It looks like the ultimate replacement for the Gold Wing. BMW's C1 commuter scooter, also shown on page 28, may be the absolute scooter. The C1 is to be offered in Europe in the year 2000. Bernie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 22:27:08 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Corbin Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 17:19:30 -0500 I have a Corbin on my 1990 and really like it. It is better than stock but only you can answer the $315 question. Just make sure that it will fit your PC. You can always resell it at a latter date if you don't like it. Vince in Fort Myers ---------- > My question how good is the Corbin and should I buy it for this price, > because they normally say it costs in Holland about $700 Dollar, -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Greg Eyrich" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Progressive saved me $$$$ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 20:04:02 PST > >I'm amazed at these rates from Progressive. I'm paying about $450 a year >from USAA...Although they've always been an EXCELLENT company as far as >service and claims go, I'd be interested in hearing how Progressive >compares in areas OTHER that just rates... > I had been with USAA for as long as I can remember. Then they bumped up my rates over 40%. Started looking around and ended up with 20th Century and saved over $300 per year off of the "Pre-Raise" USAA rates. I called USAA and they said they could re-run the quote but nothing would change. Go figure. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/971030) via SMTP id IAA03626 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 08:32:56 -0500 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: FW: PC800: Honda's web site... Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 07:21:19 -0500 Joe Beresford wrote: >well the PC is the best of all classes...it's sport, its touring, its a low >cost like the nighthawk, and very low maintenance like a scooter.... Joe, while I agree with your observations, for the last few years at least, Honda has advertised the PC as a companion product to the ST1100 (i.e. a "sport touring" machine). I think the the Nighthawks are shown separately because they aren't specialty bikes (i.e. they're "standards"). One of the VERY few remaining standards available I might add. FYI, as was mentioned by someone here earlier, Motorcycle Online currently has a PC in their long term test fleet. Here's what the reference on their web site (http://www.motorcycle.com/motorcycle.html) says, "1998 Honda Pacific Coast Hey, laugh all you want pal, this is arguably one of the best bargain tourers on the market, prepare for a MO thrash test on the Helix's big bro." The reference to the PC is at: http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/manufac.html#fleet Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com by mrin85.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA08836 for PC800@hpc.uh.edu; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:09:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:09:17 -0500 (EST) To: BernieK469@aol.com, PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Deauvilla 650 In a message dated 97-11-23 03:01:08 EST, BernieK469@aol.com writes: << Just got my copy of "Cycle World" for January. There is a Euro-syle commuting bike, The Deauville 650, pictured on page 24. It looks a lot like an updated version of the PC. With a larger engine, which CW says in not planned, it could be one hell of a machine. It is difficult to believe that Honda would expend the development expense for the Deauville for a single model 650 cc commuter bike. >> The Deauville is based on the NTV 650 (called a Revere in England). It uses the Hawk GT motor a somewhat larger Hawk like frame (longer wheelbase), relaxed suspension geometry and a shaft drive. It is the #1 courier bike in London and quite popular in Europe (I put about 3000 miles on one in Europe this summer). The Deaville is simply that machine with a new body which includes built in saddlebags. I doubt that it was very expensive to develop... Regards, <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 21:13:34 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: HPCE Gerard Subject: PC800: Corbin Thank you all for your recommendations and advice on the Corbin saddle, unfortunately when we returned to the exhibition the guy already sold the Corbin, so I had no luck, perhaps next time. Gerard Gerard Diepeveen, Secretary for Honda Pacific Coast Europe email: pce@dsv.nl Webpager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/2149445 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Pacific Coast Rocky Mountain 1998 tour: http://www.dsv.nl/~pce/rocky-mountain98-tour.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------- visit the Honda Pacific Coast Europe website: http://www.dsv.nl/~pce/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:22:55 -0800 From: Bob Anundson To: TAHRS , rose , PC List , feet forward Subject: PC800: One winter project down Hi Folks, I just finished my Hippo Hands. What are hippo hands? Well they are devices that fit over the ends of the handle bars that keep your hands warm and dry according to Tom Nicholas, one of my riding partners, who has been using them for a couple of seasons now. In fact Tom gave me one of his old creations to help me design a pair of my own. I of course did things a little different. I bought some water proof Cordura (500 weight) from The Rain Shed in Corvallis, Oregon, USA. My wife is using the same material for a pair of rain over pants for her self(hope they work so I can get her to do some for me). Rain Shed is a unique shop in that it has a huge variety of outdoor fabrics such as Cordura and patterns for jackets, gloves, sleeping bags, packs, etc. Anyway I lined the hippo hands with some fleece, used some small plastic pipe to keep the hand opening open, and used velco to mount them. I haven't field tested them but hope to soon. I'll update everyone when I do. Regards from, Bob Anundson On a very rain Sunday afternoon. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Julie Moore To: "'PC800list'" Subject: FW: PC800: Deauvilla 650 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 23:43:05 -0000 >> The Deaville is simply that machine with a new body which includes built in saddlebags. I doubt that it was very expensive to develop... << the saddle bags (and optional topcase) are more like the ST1100 than the = PC. The fairing is similarly (probably) filched off an existing bike, = thus the cost is minimal. Julie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 01:07:01 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: PC800: Re: One winter project down Date: Mon, 24 Nov 97 01:05:42 +0000 From: To: "Fred Flosbury" , "TAHRS" , "rose" , "PC List" , "Fred Flosbury" Hi, Just a word to the wise born of dangerous experience. I've tried several types of muffs or hippo hands, and in my experience they all benefit greatly from having something to stop them flopping and flapping about. Standard hand guards as fitted to most trail bikes are ideal. But beware turning your lights off by mistake, operating the indicators by mistake etc. PNB -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/971030) via SMTP id VAA26647 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 21:01:09 -0500 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: PC800: Late season road trip report Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:49:50 -0500 Well, not exactly a "real" road trip but at least a trip. It is after all, November - you snowed-in Canadians can just eat your heart out :-) My wife and I were invited down to Greenville, SC for business- related customer appreciation event Last Friday evening hosted by one of the vendors with whom I work. It was more a social event than official business travel (translation: my employer wasn't willing to reimburse me) so how we got there was a non-issue. Our late Fall weather in the southeast has been colder and wetter than normal and not really very conducive to enjoyable motorcycling. We weren't optimistic that we might make the trip on our bikes until last Monday when the long range forecast predicted dry weather and "seasonal" temperatures (50F - 60F) for the upcoming weekend. It was only at this point that we begin to see a glimmer of hope that we might be able to ride the bikes. Unfortunately, as the week wore on, the forecast deteriorated to a rain probability of 90% for Friday afternoon and evening so we pretty much so resigned ourselves to a car trip. Friday dawned with light but consistent rain as predicted. We planned to leave mid-afternoon by car and I went to work. About 11AM my wife called to inform me the clouds had broken and although it wasn't clear, it had stopped raining and was about 50 degrees. I believe her exact words were, "Come home NOW and let's get on the bikes and go!" So, I reluctantly agreed to "go for it". It turned out to be a pretty good decision. Both bikes were ready for travel but since we had given up on riding earlier, we had to revise our rather careless packing to fit everything into the PC's trunk. This was a coat and tie event, so packing was a little more complex than for just a motorcycle weekend. I used the "packing boards" method again (i.e. loosely wrapped our dress clothes around 14" cardboard squares) and once again, it worked like a charm. In fact, we looked pretty good after a shower and change of clothes even if I do say so myself. Had we not "gotten caught" by our host in our rain suits in the hotel lobby, no one would have known how we got there. Not that I really cared that others knew we had biked in, I just didn't expect it to be the topic of conversation with everyone we met during the course of the evening. Actually, motorcycles were already a topic of conversation for some since one of the new BMW cruisers was displayed in the center of the hotel lobby. It seems the BMW auto assembly plant is only a couple of hundred yards away and lots of BMW executives stay at this hotel. Although the bike is interesting from a design perspective, in my personal opinion, Harley-Davidson management doesn't need to lose any sleep over it. Although it wasn't raining when we left, there was still lots of water on the road in places so we did donned our rain gear from the get-go. TN and NC are working on I-26 between Asheville, NC and the VA line. The TN side is complete and is quite a pretty ride as interstates go. As you approach the NC line it's extremely mountainous and the hiway itself is one of those engineering marvels that clings to the side of one nearly vertical surface after another. However, even though the superslab is available, old US-23 is still there and is a great ride. We ride this section frequently and as usual, we had it all to ourselves. The sun would occasionally peek through the clouds (at least until we got to Asheville) and the road dried up nicely so we were able to enjoy the big sweeping curves to our heart's content. On the NC side there is much construction and on a dry day the road would have been coated with red clay dust from the earth moving equipment. Unfortunately this was not a dry day. The road was completely covered with a thin red mud which was thrown as spray up from the vehicle tires. What a mess! We actually began hoping for some rain to wash off our windshields and visors. It took several hours today to clean up our bikes. Interestingly, the PC looked great after just a good wash. Nancy's NightHawk took hours to clean. The mud was coated in all the nooks an crannies on the engine and cases. It was baked on and would not spray off. I had to rub it off every fin and crevice. Another PLUS for the PC! South of Asheville, the weather deteriorated to a thick, cold fog. Visibility was reduced to about 100 feet or so in places and our windshields soon fogged completely. It didn't get any better until we were nearly at our destination and when it did get "better", it did so in the form of rain. Yep, wouldn't you know it, we were within 5 miles of the hotel when the bottom fell out. Even so, the early part of the ride made up for the last few miles so all-in-all I count it a success. The evening was great and we woke to a dense fog. After a leisurely breakfast, I pulled both bikes under the covered unloading area at the Marriot and proceeded to wipe them down with a shammy and pack the PC's trunk. We got only a few glares (this is a "high class" hotel afterall) but had lots of interested questions from passers-by. Net positive, I'd say. We started home around 10AM and since it appeared to be clearing decided on a circuitous route which took us northwest to the Blue Ridge Parkway. By the time we pulled onto the Parkway about 20 miles west of Brevard around noon, the sky was a beautiful blue and the temperature was hovering around 55 - 60 degrees. Yes! The Parkway was, as always, a delight and there was almost no traffic. With the foliage off the trees and very little haze, it seemed like we could see forever in places. I always have a feeling of awe on the Blue Ridge Parkway for a number of reasons. Firstly, of course, is the natural beauty of this place. But also, it's pretty awesome that someone had the foresight to build this marvelous road so it could be enjoyed by so many people. I rather doubt that it could be done today. I'm sure the tree-huggers would block construction as a defilement of nature - pity. Well, to finish my ramble; we rode the Parkway around 80 miles to the "Craggies". NC had closed it from there north as they do each winter. It's too expensive to keep it clear of snow and ice as the elevation climbs above 4,000 feet. We u-turned there and went back to Weaverville. >From there we retraced our outbound route home rolling into the garage just before dark. What a great ride for mid-November. Even though it wasn't a long one (about 450 miles round trip) and even with the marginal weather on Friday, this turned out to be a memorable trip. I'm glad I let Nancy "twist my arm" and go on the two-wheelers. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 21:30:45 -0800 From: Philip Lewis To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: More of our Comdex trip! Hi All! The following link has some more pictures of our Comdex trip and some of the things we did in Las Vegas. I apologize for the last download time. I compressed the pictures, but downloaded the wrong ones to the web page. The following page should download a lot more quickly. It should be about 200kb or so. Johan will be publishing the report later, and I'll have some more picture out tomorrow. Take care all, Phil http://john.csun.edu/pc/comdex/comdex2/comdex2.htm -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 23:51:34 -0800 From: Johan Lai To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Las Vegas Trip report Hi All, I've got our trip report to Las Vegas ready. It's at our SCPCRC site under "Scheduled Rides". I'm practicing lacing text around pictures so it looks more like an article. Give it a looksy when you have time. Thanks! http://www.hypermart.net/scpcrc Johan Lai Orange, CA '89 "Cassandra" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com by mrin41.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id EAA14817; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 04:32:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 04:32:32 -0500 (EST) To: raybob@hiwaay.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, dkgross@halcyon.com Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Progressive saved me $$$$ In a message dated 97-11-23 10:06:32 EST, raybob@HiWAAY.net writes: << An agent told me that the uninsured motorist coverage only covered people who are in/on my vehicle who don't have medical insurance through another carrier. Cancelling this saved me $120/year on each and every vehicle I own >> He gave you very bad advice. What he was describing was guest insurance -- different animal. Uninsured/underinsured motorist insurance covers you if you are in an accident caused by someone without insurance or with too little insurance to pay for your injuries. In my experience (not personal experience, thank god) an awful lot of accidents are caused by people who have no insurance, or very little insurance. FWIW, I carry 2MM in uninsured/underinsured motorist coverage. If I were disabled in an accident, it would take much more than the usual high end limit of $100,000/person to compensate me for my loss of income much less my medical bills... It costs me $96/year/vehicle and I consider it some of the most important insurance that I carry... Regards, <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Marek