with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Mon, 1 Sep 1997 06:35:52 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 06:30:12 -0700 From: "Gregg L. DesElms" To: Steve Carr CC: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Re: PC800: Microfiche, part 2 Steve Carr wrote: > > I've uploaded pages 30-56 (out of 97 total) of the 89,90,94,95 PC800 > Parts Catalog microfiche to my web space at > http://www.concentric.com/~fastcarr/ . All images are in GIF format and > should consume a total of 17 mb when finished. Each page is approx. > 180-230k. Due to space limitations, I will be uploading 5 meg a week. > > Disclaimer: These are copyrighted works from Honda, do not download > unless you own the the original microfiche. It only costs $5, part > number 14MR5KM. > Steve, Just so you know... This disclaimer does not relieve you of liability under copyright law. Copyright protects the copyright holder's right to control the means by which the material is distributed. If Honda wanted this information on the Web, it would put it on the Web (or authorize someone else to do it for them). That is not yours to decide for them. And this is not the kind of use which is in keeping with the intent of the "fair use" provision. This is not fair use -- in all senses of the term. Period. I don't understand, Steve. It seems that, for some reason, you've decided you're going to put this material on the Web no matter what the law says. Now that I know the material only costs $5 in a format which the copyright holder intended for its distribution, I am even *more* confused. At that low price, and considering the relative popularity of the PC among all of Honda's products and the unlikelihood, therefore, that Honda ever intended to actually make money selling the PC's parts microfiche, I say the probability that you could fairly easily convince someone Honda to allow you to post the materials on the Web is even higher than I originally thought. WHY CAN'T YOU JUST TAKE A MOMENT TO ASK THEM FOR PERMISSION RATHER THAN JUST DOING WHATEVER THE HELL YOU WANT, LAW BE DAMNED? Why can't you just show that tiny bit of respect for their legal rights, howsoever unimportant they might be to you? And if they deny you that permission, why can't you just accept that and honor it, as is your civic duty? Oh, by the way, it appears you don't even know your own URL. It's not: http://www.concentric.com/~fastcarr/ Your illegal Honda microfiche GIFs are at: http://www.concentric.net/~Fastcarr/PC800%20Microfiche/ But this situation begs the age-old question: Just because we *can* do a thing, does that mean that we should? As the publisher of the National Inquirer (a Godless rag with no journalistic ethics whatsoever) yesterday called for all other publications throughout the world to not purchase or publish photos of Princess Di's auto accident, I now call upon the members of this list to not download any of the GIF files that Steve has recklessly and illegally posted at the URL listed above. Take the high road. There's always less traffic. And you'll sleep better. Gregg DesElms deselms@royal.net '89 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id IPB19974; Mon, 01 Sep 1997 08:42:25 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: PC FOR SALE From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky Rocheux) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 08:42:25 EDT Hot off the presses. Washington Post 9/1/97. '90 PC800. New in 1993. Exc. cond. 11,000 miles. $3950 or offer. 301-474-9424. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id IPD19974; Mon, 01 Sep 1997 08:42:25 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: deselms@royal.net Cc: ctywrksmikeb@lisco.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Oracle of Delphi From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky Rocheux) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 08:42:25 EDT PC For 97 has tiny front fender and no autocancel signals anymore. On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 00:20:45 -0700 "Gregg L. DesElms" writes: >Michael S. Brown wrote: >> >> As each new motorcycle model year approaches the release ever >worrisome >> release date, all those in love with a particular model anxiously >await to >> see if their cycle is still on the roster. > >I'm sorry... did I miss something? I thought it was a given that >there >would be a new PC in the coming model year. In fact, when I was >talking >with Honda about the stator (a situation on which I still must report >to >this list, by the way), I thought the guy told me there would be. Is >this not so? > >Gregg DesElms >deselms@royal.net >'89 PC800 >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id IPQ19974; Mon, 01 Sep 1997 08:42:26 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: atg@technologist.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Locking the rear wheel From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky Rocheux) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 08:42:26 EDT No you are right! That is why they developed the ABS. They forced my wife to lock up her rear brake at the MSF course yesterday. The idea was that if you DO panic and lock up the rear wheel by mistake (YES, Virginia, BY MISTAKE) that you know how to take care of yourself until you can gather your wits about you and unlock the rear brake. On Sat, 30 Aug 1997 19:12:28 -0700 "A.T. Green" writes: > >> JT said: >> Why? If you can lock the rear brake (and on the PC that's no >> problem), > >Pardon me... > >That may be... > >but why would you want to destabilize the main gyro for the bike? > >Unless you want to highside that is... > >Am I wrong here or what? > > > >__________________________________ >A. T. Green >"Curiousity killed the cat, >BUT LOATHSOME RITUALS BROUGHT IT BACK!" >__________________________________ >atg@technologist.com > >/ `-' ) ,,, >| IU U||||||||[:::] >\_.-.( ''' > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id IPN19974; Mon, 01 Sep 1997 08:42:26 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: jrandall@tricon.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: the purrrfect PC From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky Rocheux) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 08:42:26 EDT May I add? Less wind loading on side wind buffeting and a four cylinder engine like the one on my wife's new Kaw ZL600-what a great moteur! On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:34:57 -0400 Jim Randall writes: >Micheal Brown asked: >>But if we were privileged enough to participate in recommendations >>to improve the PC - what would those positive improvements be? > >- 20% more horespower; keep the torque >- a sixth gear or spread the ratios of the existing five to reduce >rpms in > top gear by 10% >- a taller stock windshield >- a adustible height windshield like the Wing >- a idiot light for charging system health >- a warmed air vent behind the faring >- a rear disc brake >- a small "glove box" in the unused space just behind the seat > or a brake light in that space >- more easily adjusted rear suspension >- the ability to close the trunk without locking it >- dual straight pipes down the right side (just checking to see if >you're > paying attention :-) > >Jim Randall >jrandall@tricon.net > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id IPM19974; Mon, 01 Sep 1997 08:42:26 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: FMisumi@SedgwickRe.BRKR.com Cc: vsantamaria@worldnet.att.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: PC mpg From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky Rocheux) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 08:42:26 EDT Tuning a PC to high test...wouldn't it be the timing adjustment? I have not checked it out but you put the gas in the tank you like (with a car) and then set the timing so that it barely pings on lugging it. This gives max power and max mileage. How would that work on the PC? On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:25:32 -0700 "Misumi, Fred" writes: >I second that question. One of my mechanics thirds the question as >well. > >Fred Misumi >Systems Development >FMisumi@SedgwickRe.BRKR.com >x2940 > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Vincent Santamaria [SMTP:vsantamaria@worldnet.att.net] >> Sent: Friday, August 29, 1997 1:41 PM >> To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >> Subject: Re: PC800: PC mpg >> >> Wanda, What did your mechanic do to tune your PC to run premium? >> Vince >> ---------- >> >> > note, as previously stated, my machanic tuned my bike to run >> > premium (92 octane) and that may also have something to do >with >> >> >> -- >> Visit the PC800 web page at >> To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body >of >> a >> message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >> To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id IPP19974; Mon, 01 Sep 1997 08:42:26 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: halmm@idirect.com Cc: atg@technologist.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Some help? From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky Rocheux) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 08:42:26 EDT No no. Pull at rear because that is where the little peckers are that slide into the rubber grommets (sockets). Then it can be slid backwards and the tabs will slide freely away. You can break those front tabs by pulling outward on them. On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 21:52:48 -0400 Hal MacDonald writes: >Remove the plastic (pull out at bottom front first then gradually >increase pressure until it comes out of the tabs) panel just above the >driver's left leg foot peg. It is on a "screw on top" at the back >bottom >of this opening. If you don't suspect a leak it would be preferable to >wait for the manual, but you should not have any trouble.. > >Hal MacDonald >'89PC and 92 ST1100 >STOC# 593, HSTA HRCA >Ajax, Ontario Canada. > > > >A.T. Green wrote: >> >> Folks, >> >> Just got my pc800 last week...snip... >> One question - >> >> Where's the dipstick on this thing??? :-) >> >> Please???? >> >> I know I should have asked the doods at the dealer but I didn't. :-( >> >> __________________________________ >> A. T. Green >> Will work for '59 Tele Custom in fine condition... >> __________________________________ >> atg@technologist.com >> >> / `-' ) ,,, >> | IU U||||||||[:::] >> \_.-.( ''' >> >> -- >> Visit the PC800 web page at >> To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body >of a >> message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >> To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id IPE19974; Mon, 01 Sep 1997 08:42:25 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: timmacy@juno.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Hardleys On Parade... From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky Rocheux) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 08:42:25 EDT RE Harley folk not waving. People in the west are so much more friendly. After I had moved back east here from Phoenix and been here for a few yrs. I was walking from the main terminal to Gates Lear at Stapleton field in Denver and a pretty young girl said "hi" as she passed me. I was so surprised I thought she was a hooker and then it dawned on me. I had forgot how friendly westerners were. I think perhaps we suffer from S.A.D. out here due to the lesser amount of sunshine. Perhaps our current drought will help. I even had to train my fellow runners on the jogging trail to say 'hi' when they would see me coming by giving them a loud "good morning" every time I would see them and add a big smile with the sign of genuine joy, the accompanying eye squint. Soon I had Pavlov-trained them to smile when they saw me coming. Out west most runners say "hi" and smile automatically upon passing each other. Eh bien. On Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:59:47 -0700 timmacy@juno.com (Timothy B Macy) writes: >On Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:19:08 -0700 Ron Mott writes: >>Tim & List, >> Around here I can only get about 1 in 20 Harley guys to return my >waves as we meet >on the highway. The only thing I figure out is that >they are not having as much fun as >we are. (Or maybe Harley >recommends not riding without both hands on the bars?) > >I've gotta say--I think it's a regional thing. Here on the Left Coast >I'd say about 80% of the Hardleys wave back, including the Old Timers. >The time I spent this summer in Hardleyland (Milwaukee) was just the >opposite: I was lucky if 20% of the Hardley riders even recognized my >existance. > >Tim >Portland, OR >'94 PC800--59,820 Miles of Smiles > >"What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is very >wasteful. How true that is." - Vice President Dan Quayle >-- Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to >pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id IPA19974; Mon, 01 Sep 1997 08:42:25 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: jrandall@tricon.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, eathey@hotmail.com Subject: Re: PC800: '96 PC for sale From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky Rocheux) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 08:42:25 EDT Sounds like a deal, having paid the full $8400+ for my 96 new at Honda dlr Coleman Powersport in Northern VA. If they do damage they deny. They put a golf ball size dent in a gas tank in a vintage Triumph of a young lad and denied it. BTW, I have glued on my tab that Coleman broke off on last tune up. This was the plastic tiny tab that holds the piece of plastic that goes across and above the top of the radiator. I used MAT7 thanx to y'all who suggested it. A bit dicey to work with but seems to have held and today I will put that piece back on and see how it goes. On Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:08:39 -0400 Jim Randall writes: >There was an ad in a local paper today for a '96 PC with only 900 >miles >for $6700. The bike was close by so I rode over to look at it. It was >stored >with a CBR600 stablemate in an aircraft hanger next to the owner's >plane, >all of which have obviously received tender, loving care. It is, of >course, racing >red and has the mid-length Rifle shield and Hondaline backrest. The >machine >is immaculate, not the slightest defect anywhere that I could see, and >was >detailed to the extent of having the rubber on the pegs and the >sidewalls "blacked". >The owner, Ed Athey is obviously VERY particular about his vehicles. >The price >includes a tank bag (black), 2 relatively new helmets (full coverage >AGV, large >and an open face HJC, medium), a motorcycle cover and the stock Honda >windshield. > >I haven't been paying too much attention to used prices lately so I >can't comment >on the quoted price but I can say this machine is perfect. Why is he >selling it... he >says he has too many toys. > >The motorcycle is in Kingsport, TN (upper northeast corner). If >interested, call >Ed Athey at 423-239-3314 or email him at eathey@hotmail.com. > >Jim Randall >jrandall@tricon.net > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id IPR19974; Mon, 01 Sep 1997 08:42:27 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: edalex@ix.netcom.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Center (maintainence) stand From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky Rocheux) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 08:42:27 EDT Roll it back then stick your foot on the little peg and press down. This uses the momentum you generated to pop it up on the center stand. Not to brag but I am 60 yrs old, stand (just like Wanda) 5'2" tall, have an iseam of 28.5" from top to heel of foot) weigh 143 and can do it either way. (WHAT IS YOUR INSEAM WANDA?) Someone at the MSF course my wife completed successfully (I am so proud of her) said it helps to be "in shape" to ride a bike. I know that when I got back into more serious weight lifting (helps strengthen bones to avoid broken bones) I realized my 89 Harley Springer had gotten much lighter and more easy to wheel around. Same for the PC800, it is weighty and requires muscle at times if it comes off center a bit if you are wheeling it around in the drive, etc.. If you roll your PC backwards and then hit the foot thingy to pop it up on the stand think it out in advance and map out a mental strategy thinking all the time, "vertical, vertical, vertical." Above all you must map out a strategy that keeps the bike truly vertical throughout the maneuver. Eddie, if you can't do it call and I will come over and help. Oops you are a few miles away from Virginia, aren't you? Now my Indian is such that I can not center stand it with the 2 of us buck nekked. So I roll the rear wheel onto a 2 x 6 board and it is a piece of cake. On Sun, 31 Aug 1997 10:25:09 -0500 (CDT) edalex@ix.netcom.com writes: >Hi there I'm a new white 89 owner, being 55 and a little over the edge >of being fit, I find it difficult to put my new toy up on that center stand. Any sugestions? >Eddie Alexander >Mt. View, CA > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id IOZ19974; Mon, 01 Sep 1997 08:42:25 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: ismailp@sure.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re:Motorcycle Safety Fdn course suggested for my wife. From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky Rocheux) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 08:42:25 EDT THE MOTORCYCLE SAFETY FOUNDATION COURSE was suggested to me for my wife who just today successfully completed it. It would be a good thing for you too, Pierre, mon ami, if you drop a bike by not properly cornering. I am taking it as soon as I can get in. I have been riding since 1952 and I am self taught and there is a monstrously large body of knowledge on motorcycle safety out there and I need it and want it. I have never had a wreck, knock on wood, but dropped a BMW once in dirt by purposely high centering it over a ditch and I never will know what in the hell caused me to pull such a stunt. It was almost like I wanted to see what would happen. It was that I had scoffed at the suggestion of one kindly chap on this e-mail net that my wife, Carolyn take the MSF course. Shortly after I scoffed at his offer, saying she rode in the 60's and could take it later, Carolyn dropped her new bike at the DMV during the license exam and failed it. Now whoever it was that made that kindly suggestion I offer you my thanks and I hope you see this posting and my note of THANKS! On Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:17:30 -0700 Pierre writes: >Thanks to all of you PC enthusiasts, I'm convinced I bought the right >machine yesterday. Here's the details: > >94 PC black w/gray >24,000 miles >$4,500 >Not a scratch on it, just like new. > >While riding around the neighborhood to get the feel of it, I stopped >at >a quiet corner. I turned the wheel too much to the right to begin >executing a turn and I lost it. At +600 lbs., the PC has too much >momentum for me to overcome it. > >I held on and tried to drop it as gently as I could. The 2 protruding >bottom right guards now have superficial scratches (thankfully the >saddle bags, mirrors, tail pipe, etc were spared). I suppose I can >repaint the guards, but I'll wait till I get more familiar with the >bike >because I'll probably it again. > >Thanks for all the tips. > >-- > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id IPF19974; Mon, 01 Sep 1997 08:42:25 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Jreviere@aol.com Cc: bmckenna@mint.net, owner-st1100@st1100.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, st1100@st1100.com, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: PC800: Re: [Fwd: Big Trucks in Congress... FWIW From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky Rocheux) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 08:42:25 EDT Everyone needs to write a letter of protest. Write your senator and congressperson, puhleeze. Suggest the trucks take the train. I watch those old MovieTone newsreels at night on the history channel. One featured a look a the new (then) Piggyback flatcars and the announcer predicted it was the end of the over the road truck. Ha, was he wrong or what? Seriously, please take a moment to write. Letters from constituents play heavy part with what most decent congressfolk do. BY THE WAY REVIERE, EST CE QUE VOUS PARLEZ LA BELLE LANGUE? AGAIN, WRITE!! (Does anyone know if there is an e-mail locator for them?) On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Jreviere@aol.com writes: >I live about 3 mi from a MAJOR east/west heavy truck route (Interstate >40). I >frequently ride in places where the right lane of the freeways (not >just here >in NM, but in other states too) are rough, beaten to death by the big >trucks >and their already heavy loads. I hear truckers frequently complaining >about >how rough the roads are, but a sure way for them to get a citation is >to stay >prolongedly in other lanes than the far right lane. I think if >Congress >approves heavier trucks, no matter how many wheels they put on the >ground, we >are going to see our presently poorly maintained highways deteroriate >even >more rapidly. Of course, I have no actual data to support this belief, >but it >does seem reasonable to me anyway. I think the big rigs now with >their >trailers over 50' long are already too big. It's terribly intimidating >to >find yourself caught in a cluster of these thundering monsters zooming >down >the road at over 80mph. Just imagine what could happen to a >motorcyclist >should one of those huge tires explode along side the rider..... that >they do >disintegrate is evidenced by the frequently seen tire shards (truckers >call >them "alligators") along side the road. JR 394 Albuquerque, >NM >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 08:45:30 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: deselms@royal.net CC: Steve Carr , PC800 Mailing List Subject: Re: PC800: Microfiche, part 2 Gregg L. DesElms wrote: > ...WHY CAN'T YOU JUST TAKE A MOMENT TO > ASK THEM FOR PERMISSION RATHER THAN JUST DOING WHATEVER THE HELL YOU > WANT, LAW BE DAMNED?... My, my, my. This is not the warm and fuzzy list that I remember it once being. I'm going to have to visit the "Barney" homepage in search of some comfort and support in these troubled times... ...Either that, or figure out how to configure my mail filter to delete postings containing angst, hostility, and generally unhappy thoughts... gk ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net gklim@harman.com ________________________________________________________________________ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id IPJ19974; Mon, 01 Sep 1997 08:42:26 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: FMisumi@SedgwickRe.BRKR.com Cc: schrchll@INETWORLD.NET, crazyapple@ibm.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: FAQ's and new WWW Page.... From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky Rocheux) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 08:42:26 EDT I thought a hacker was one who unauthorizedly hacked his way into restricted computer sites. Let's clarify that one. Puhleeze. On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:46:51 -0700 "Misumi, Fred" writes: >Finally! ... an initiative. >How many artistic hackers do we have out there? > Artistic = creative and able to communicate with expression > Hacker = a computer whiz who learns computer stuff quick >Just curious. > >Fred Misumi >Systems Development >FMisumi@SedgwickRe.BRKR.com >x2940 > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Stephen A. Churchill [SMTP:schrchll@INETWORLD.NET] >> Sent: Friday, August 29, 1997 10:13 AM >> To: Jason Grant >> Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >> Subject: Re: PC800: FAQ's and new WWW Page.... >> >> Jason Grant wrote: >> > >> > Is this, then the new "home" for the page? I had been working on >a >> FAQ >> > off and on for the past couple of months (Now why, when I >expressed >> that >> > I was working on one, was there no real interest?). >> > >> > I'm a consultant and I also do some page work, I'd rather be >> involved in >> > a project to get a well constructed page up and running. What I >> would >> > like to not have happen is for it to get shelved again. >> > >> > I'd interested in getting a DNS registration, even if it meant me >> paying >> > the entire fee. >> > >> > For a decent site we probably could use about 10MB of server >space. >> > Many internet accounts include smaller amounts of space free of >> charge; >> > this would work, but we would need to keep the images on more than >> one >> > page (most likely). This can lead to inconsistent load times, in >> > addition to entering the risk of people changing their mind >without >> > notice. ie: John Q. Smith handles the images portion of the page >> and >> > one day decides he doesn't want it, then shuts it off without >> > notification. Or fails to pay for his account. Or whatever. >> > >> > Perhaps what we should do is find out who is willing to do what >and >> on >> > which aspect (FAQ/Web site). >> > >> > Doing this first could establish the qualifications and >willingness >> of >> > the participants. I'd be happy to do all of it alone, for >example, >> but >> > my clients would not like it. >> > >> > To be clear, I'm not writing about an exclusive membership or >> control >> > board; I'm simply wanting to establish a list of the people who >are >> > willing to spend the time and effort to get this done. >> > >> I don't understand much of the lingo you've given here but I think I >> get >> the jist of things. I watched with interest about the new home page >> but >> since I don't know anything about coding I couldn't help. As >several >> people have expressed, a FAQ site is needed and if you have already >> spent time in putting somethng together there is no point in me or >> Greg >> going over the same ground. As I have said, I'm going offline in >> about >> 10 days and will be off for an unknown period so if you want to >pursue >> this while I'm gone please do so. I just think it's such a good >idea >> that I'm willing to do it myself after I get back. It sounds like >you >> feel the same so don't wait for me, I'll catch up later. >> >> Hey all you computer savvy types out there! Join in on the project! >> Let's make an award winning page. >> >> Steve Churchill >> -- >> Visit the PC800 web page at >> To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body >of >> a >> message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >> To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id IPK19974; Mon, 01 Sep 1997 08:42:26 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: bb1@pgstumail.pg.cc.md.us Cc: PETER_N1@sfov1.verifone.com, schrchll@INETWORLD.NET, PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: PC mpg From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky Rocheux) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 08:42:26 EDT Here we go again on easterners. You must ride the Washington DC beltway noting the average speed of other vehicles. Then go immediately to the freeways surrounding Phoenix AZ and see that the speed around the DC freeways is 10 mph more. I have never seen so many scofflaw SOB car drivers as out here. Why is that do YOU think? Then we have our coked up monkeys who go 90mph on the shoulders going down south of DC on I-95 (must admit I have seen less of that lately). Cop interviewed on TV here once did say that excessive speed is often cocaine driven as discovered when they finally get them stopped. On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Barre Bull writes: >Ummmm...Peter if you do 55-65 on 495 or 95 around here you get run >over ;) > >Barre' > >Barre' Bull >Systems Engineer >Information Systems >Prince George's Community College > >http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jfmoemd@aol.com by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA21715; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:13:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:13:14 -0400 (EDT) To: deselms@royal.net, fastcarr@cris.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Microfiche, part 2 Gregg, You are certainly entitled to have your own opinions and beliefs, but it is MY belief that your vituperative letter would have been more appropriate as a private communication. It only takes a few posts like yours to turn off a certain number of people who are here only for the avowed purpose of the site. Peace and harmony! John -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 09:40:48 -0400 From: Jason To: Rocky Rocheux , PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: FAQ's and new WWW Page.... The original "hackers" were people (I believe from MIT) who made electronic switching and control devices for model trains. Since then it's been used for everything from electronic terrorists to consultants. I am a consultant and I don't take offense to it at all. Not too long ago the name may have applied to me for other reasons (we all need a hobby). As with many things, the movie industry has probably had more to do with changing the nomenclature than anything else. Anyway, he -did- clarify that one in his post. Cheers, Jason Rocky Rocheux wrote: > I thought a hacker was one who unauthorizedly hacked his way into > restricted computer sites. Let's clarify that one. Puhleeze. > On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:46:51 -0700 "Misumi, Fred" > writes: > >Finally! ... an initiative. > >How many artistic hackers do we have out there? > > Artistic = creative and able to communicate with expression > > Hacker = a computer whiz who learns computer stuff quick > >Just curious. > > > >Fred Misumi > >Systems Development > >FMisumi@SedgwickRe.BRKR.com > >x2940 > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by pgstumail.pg.cc.md.us (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA10656; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 13:36:08 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 13:36:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: Rocky Rocheux cc: atg@technologist.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Locking the rear wheel On Mon, 1 Sep 1997, Rocky Rocheux wrote: > No you are right! That is why they developed the ABS. They forced my > wife to lock up her rear brake at the MSF course yesterday. The idea was > that if you DO panic and lock up the rear wheel by mistake (YES, > Virginia, BY MISTAKE) that you know how to take care of yourself until > you can gather your wits about you and unlock the rear brake. > On Sat, 30 Aug 1997 19:12:28 -0700 "A.T. Green" > writes: > > > >> JT said: > >> Why? If you can lock the rear brake (and on the PC that's no > >> problem), > > > >Pardon me... > > > >That may be... > > > >but why would you want to destabilize the main gyro for the bike? > > > >Unless you want to highside that is... > > > >Am I wrong here or what? > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >A. T. Green > >"Curiousity killed the cat, > >BUT LOATHSOME RITUALS BROUGHT IT BACK!" > >__________________________________ > >atg@technologist.com > > > >/ `-' ) ,,, > >| IU U||||||||[:::] > >\_.-.( ''' > > > >-- > >Visit the PC800 web page at > >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > >a > >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > Rocky, The MSF doesn't teach the rear wheel lockup to teach you how to unlock it. The MSF teaches you to hold the lock (skid) until you come to a complete stop. Releasing the lock would cause a sudden re-aquisition of traction which could/can cause instability of the bike. Just wanted to clarify that. Barre' Barre' Bull Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by pgstumail.pg.cc.md.us (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA10850; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 13:43:55 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 13:43:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: Rocky Rocheux cc: ismailp@sure.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re:Motorcycle Safety Fdn course suggested for my wife. Thanks Rocky, it's good to see somebody that is willing to admit that there is always more to learn about our favorite sport. I recently recommended to another on the list that the MSF course could be valuable to all riders regardless of how long they have been riding annd was told they had taken it and hadn't learned anything. Barre' Barre' Bull Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 22:17:26 +0200 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gerard Diepeveen Subject: PC800: PCN-USA98 tour Cc: bsltwr@xs4all.nl, agray@denver.net, Arwin.Verhoef@tip.nl, gorgon@xs4all.nl, pingw@cyberway.com.sg, BERTOUTHUIJSE@COMPUSERVE.COM, hjsatter@worldonline.nl, fboseler@worldonline.nl, dacom@pi.net, 106041.1212@COMPUSERVE.COM, gwessels@pi.net, goran.olsson@mbox331.swipnet.se, looman@eldevs.nl, HANS.VVLIET@DUT.RWS.minvenw.nl, hycom@cybercomm.nl, Ian.Holman@feo.hvu.nl, jeroengl@meganet.nl, jlai@filenet.com, j.s.allan@open.ac.uk, JDT@worldaccess.nl, dorer@ins.at, m.hogenbirk@chem.ruu.nl, msennewa@aol.com, p_everts_ecc@pi.net, peter@sfd.co.uk, blackriver@pi.net, plcs@dsv.nl, ringma@xs4all.nl, dukers@dsv.nl, veldevdr@euronet.nl, ruud.massink@pi.net, ruud.olivier@feo.hvu.nl, 101362.2633@COMPUSERVE.COM, PILEWIS1@concentric.net Dear friends, Finally our trip to the states is ready, and it did get a name: PCN-USA98 tour. This is an official invitation to all that are interested, to take a look at the page I have made for this tour, follow this url and you now more about it: http://www.dsv.nl/~pcn/pcn-usa98-layout.htm I hope you will enjoy it, thank you for your time. Gerard Diepeveen, Pacific Coast Netherlands Pacific Coast Netherlands Gerard Diepeveen pcn@dsv.nl Webpager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/2149445 ------------------------------------------- visit the Dutch Pacific Coast website: http://www.dsv.nl/~pcn/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA26586; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 18:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 18:21:28 -0400 (EDT) To: VENABJM@gwsmtp.nu.com, PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: PC Oil Filter In a message dated 97-08-27 13:42:41 EDT, VENABJM@GWSMTP.NU.COM writes: << boy is my face red. Thanks for filling me in. >> No need to be embarrassed. This sort of thing is often an urban myth. Ever heard of the Pogue Carburettor? Regards, <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA09432; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 18:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 18:21:32 -0400 (EDT) To: dlwilliamson@mindspring.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Riding posture on PC800 In a message dated 97-08-27 13:44:20 EDT, dlwilliamson@mindspring.com (David L. Williamson) writes: << I just got a '90 PC800. Sold an '85 Magna 700cc. It seems to me that the posture on the PC800 has me leaning forward just a bit more so that there is some weight on the wrists. Maybe by arms are too short? Does anyone else experience this? Is it a problem after being on the bike a while? >> Must be unique to your particular dimensions. I am sitting bolt upright on the PC. If it weren't for the Rifle shield, it would be too upright at speed... Regards, <>> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com by emout02.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA07454; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 18:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 18:21:42 -0400 (EDT) To: jhyder@erols.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Paint match trouble In a message dated 97-08-28 01:56:02 EDT, jhyder@erols.com writes: << Check the archives for my recent post on this question. I bought the '89 cream color matched a year ago, and although I was very happy with the match, the paint has started to chip and peel. Gregg expressed his skepticism that paint over this plastic material could last, and he may be right. I've sent it back to Rifle to look it over, but I think I'm going to go with an unpainted replacement rather than face this again next year, >> Well, I've had this one for a bit over 2 years now and it looks like new. Regards, <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA13704; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 18:21:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 18:21:48 -0400 (EDT) To: greg501@ix.netcom.com, Richsuea@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: September Ride In a message dated 97-08-28 05:05:06 EDT, greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers) writes: << I ordered the colormatch for my 96 (Reeeed), and really like it. However, I have only had it for a few hundred miles, and there was a message not very long ago about how the colormatch tends to chip and peel after a while. Buyer beware?? >> It hasn't been a problem with my '95. Indeed, that particular message is the only one I have seen on this point. FWIW, I have had mine for 2 years and it still looks new... Regards, <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 22:41:54 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Paint match trouble Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 18:31:18 -0400 Don't pay any attention to Ted. He's the guy that Cycle World is always making fun of. Vince ---------- > Well, I've had this one for a bit over 2 years now and it looks like new. > > Regards, > <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m3.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id SZL15595; Mon, 01 Sep 1997 18:54:23 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: TedJ101@aol.com Cc: dlwilliamson@mindspring.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 15:47:17 -0700 Subject: Re: PC800: Riding posture on PC800 From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy) You're not alone, Ted. It's the one gripe I have with the PC, and I know of no after-market set backs or heli-bars. I've asked on this list a few times. It's simply a matter of arm length and what you're used to. I came from a Silver Wing to the PC. If you came from a pure sport bike, you'd probably think you were sitting too upright. Also, I take a 32" shirt sleeve, which is 1 to 1 1/2" shorter than average for a 5'9" man. Richard Hardy, San Diego rahardy@juno.com On Mon, 1 Sep 1997 18:21:32 -0400 (EDT) TedJ101@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 97-08-27 13:44:20 EDT, dlwilliamson@mindspring.com >(David >L. Williamson) writes: > ><< I just got a '90 PC800. Sold an '85 Magna 700cc. It seems to me >that the > posture on the PC800 has me leaning forward just a bit more so that >there is > some weight on the wrists. Maybe by arms are too short? Does anyone >else > experience this? Is it a problem after being on the bike a while? >> > >Must be unique to your particular dimensions. I am sitting bolt >upright on >the PC. If it weren't for the Rifle shield, it would be too upright >at >speed... > >Regards, > <>> >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Joe Marshall" To: Cc: "Joe Marshall (work)" Subject: PC800: Needing moral support from other PC'ers Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 08:15:59 -0400 Last Aug 29 I rode on a motorcycle for the first time (Magna) and while I loved it, I couldn't see myself riding one. That is, until I went to the Honda Hoot in June and saw and fell in love with the PC800. I knew that if I was going to ride, it was going to have to be on that bike (despite warnings from my partner who said I may want to get something smaller first). So, I signed up for the MSF beginner's course and went bike hunting. The week before the class I found a teal '90 and couldn't help myself, I bought it. So I took the course and after a very rocky start I passed, although my instructor said that I should consider buying a cheap small bike (I'm a small framed 5'4" female who apparently missed the line for the coordination gene) before trying to ride the PC. Well, I'm not inclined to buy another bike, and my partner now has a Valkyrie, so he's no help, so I've been doing parking lots. I dropped the bike once, doing a real slow turn without the bike being upright, as others have talked about here. I'm also having trouble with doing sharp turns. I forgot to mention I am not a patient woman and now I am getting frustrated. I'm wondering if I will eveeer be able to handle my PC, and thinking maybe I am just too damn small to ride it, although from what others have said here, I've been encouraged to see others my size who ride. Any warm fuzzy words of encouragement for a fledgling PC owner? Stacy Richmond, VA Teal '90 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 08:21:38 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Keith Sproul Subject: PC800: Drving Lights Some time ago, I saw a refernece to a good set of driving lights for the PC. The biggest concern was how they mounted.. I would prefer some that mounted under the cowling, above the front wheel.. Can anyone point me in the right directions? Keith Sproul ksproul@rci.rutgers.edu WU2Z Student Housing Network Coordinator 732 445-3695 W Rutgers University Computing Services 732 821-4828 H 1996 GoldWing SE 1994 Pacific Coast AMA GWRRA-123380 WOTI -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 08:53:12 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Joe Neisser Subject: PC800: 89 PC800 For Sale I still ave a 89 PC800 for sale. It has the passenger backrest. 3700 miles. I live in Baltimore, Maryland. Any interested parties can E-mail me at mda10@erols.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by pgstumail.pg.cc.md.us (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id IAA06650; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 08:51:28 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 08:51:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: Joe Marshall cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "Joe Marshall (work)" Subject: Re: PC800: Needing moral support from other PC'ers On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Joe Marshall wrote: > Last Aug 29 I rode on a motorcycle for the first time (Magna) and while > I loved it, I couldn't see myself riding one. That is, until I went to > the Honda Hoot in June and saw and fell in love with the PC800. I knew > that if I was going to ride, it was going to have to be on that bike > (despite warnings from my partner who said I may want to get something > smaller first). > So, I signed up for the MSF beginner's course and went bike hunting. > The week before the class I found a teal '90 and couldn't help myself, > I bought it. So I took the course and after a very rocky start I > passed, although my instructor said that I should consider buying a > cheap small bike (I'm a small framed 5'4" female who apparently missed > the line for the coordination gene) before trying to ride the PC. > > Well, I'm not inclined to buy another bike, and my partner now has a > Valkyrie, so he's no help, so I've been doing parking lots. I dropped > the bike once, doing a real slow turn without the bike being upright, > as others have talked about here. I'm also having trouble with doing > sharp turns. I forgot to mention I am not a patient woman and now I am > getting frustrated. I'm wondering if I will eveeer be able to handle > my PC, and thinking maybe I am just too damn small to ride it, although > from what others have said here, I've been encouraged to see others my > size who ride. > > Any warm fuzzy words of encouragement for a fledgling PC owner? > > Stacy > Richmond, VA > Teal '90 > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > Stacy, The slow sharp turn in the MSF course is taught mainly to increase rider control of the bike. I teach the MSF and find tight turns are actually easier for me on the PC than on the little 250's that we use in the class. Concentrate on taking normal turns, you'll run into more of those than the tight turns. One thing I've noticed and work on with my students is that they tend to slow to much prior to a tight turn. Remember speed is balance! For a larger bike like the PC you will need a little more speed when taking tight turns than you would on the 250's. Slow (don't stop) look, lean and roll...DO NOT LOOK DOWN AT ANYTIME DURNING THE TURN. You'll make it...we tell our students at the end of the class that really all we have taught them is to ride around a parking lot...so go out and practice around your neightborhood and work up. Don't give up! Barre' Barre' Bull Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 2 Sep 1997 09:55:02 -0400 From: "Ted Gerarden" Subject: RE: PC800: PC FOR SALE To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "Rocky Rocheux" Sold 9/1 to a new PC owner--me! I've been monitoring the email group for several weeks, and have picked up many useful hints and ideas from y'all. Thanks particularly to folks that emailed me directly with encouragement and tips. I'd been watching both the list for sale postings and the local paper, and hit paydirt Monday morning (I'd been away over the weekend, and was fortunate that the bike hadn't been sold before I saw the ad). The seller is a great guy--pastor of a Baptist church, working on a PhD in biblical studies, and expecting his first child (hence his reluctant decision to sell). He plans to get back to riding in a year or two, though.... Now all I have to do is make the transition from my Elite 250--I have to learn to shift again, and to handle the size and weight of a bigger bike! Thanks again for all the education I've gotten in the past few weeks! _______________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Rocky Rocheux on Mon, Sep 1, 1997 8:52 AM Subject: PC800: PC FOR SALE To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hot off the presses. Washington Post 9/1/97. '90 PC800. New in 1993. Exc. cond. 11,000 miles. $3950 or offer. 301-474-9424. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ gizmo.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAB12402; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 07:24:42 -0500 Mon, 01 Sep 1997 07:43:19 -0500 (CDT) sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA13748 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 07:43:13 -0500 (CDT) by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id IPB19974; Mon, 01 Sep 1997 08:42:25 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: PC FOR SALE From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky Rocheux) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 08:42:25 EDT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:11:00 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: Subject: Re: PC800: PC FOR SALE Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:01:11 -0400 Ted, You shouldn't have said anything. Now the Rock will want a finders fee. Good luck with you new 1990 PC. We all agree that the 1990 is the best model of the PC. Vince ---------- > Sold 9/1 to a new PC owner--me! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Rusty Jackson To: "'PC 800 Mailing List'" Subject: PC800: PC for sale. Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 10:03:40 -0700 Hi everyone. As much as I hate to do it, I need to sell my PC. I have new 2 month old baby and I just won't have the time to go riding anymore and I need a second vehicle for my family that we can all use. So, my 1990 PC is for sale. It has a Rifle tall windshield on it and Tenzo driving lights along with a volt meter and ammeter. It has 24k miles on it. If you know anyone that might be interested in it, please give them my email address or have them call me at the number below. I am asking $4200 for it because of the Rifle and the Tenzo's, but I'll take offers. Thanks, Rusty ===================================================== Russell C. Jackson - Software Engineer http://home.san.rr.com/jackson - rusty@san.rr.com ----------------------------------------------------- Paperless, Wireless Handheld Solutions with FormLogic Wright Strategies, Inc. 600 B Street, 18th Floor San Diego, CA 92101-4590 619-702-0500 x124 619-702-0501 fax http://www.wrightstrat.com - rjackson@wrightstrat.com ===================================================== -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 13:38:21 -0400 From: Jason Grant To: PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: PC FOR SALE I also purchased mine from viewing an ad he posted... maybe we should give him a title for being a prolific PCer. Surely you meant to say that we all agree the 94 is the best model. :) Jason Vincent Santamaria wrote: > Ted, You shouldn't have said anything. Now the Rock will want a > finders > fee. Good luck with you new 1990 PC. We all agree that the 1990 is the > best > model of the PC. Vince > > ---------- > > > Sold 9/1 to a new PC owner--me! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sun, 31 Aug 1997 21:59:31 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: Center (maintainence) stand Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 17:49:43 -0400 Eddie, I would suggest that you start working out at your local gym assuming that you have your doctor's approval. I am not trying to be a smart ass. Vince ---------- > Hi there I'm a new white 89 owner, being 55 and a little over the edge of being fit, I find it > difficult to put my new toy up on that center stand. Any sugestions? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Mon, 1 Sep 1997 16:55:18 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: , "Rocky Rocheux" Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: the purrrfect PC Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 12:46:34 -0400 Like someone said earlier, you are describing a ST1100. Vince ---------- > > May I add? Less wind loading on side wind buffeting and a four cylinder > engine like the one on my wife's new Kaw ZL600-what a great moteur! > On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:34:57 -0400 Jim Randall > writes: > > > >- 20% more horespower; keep the torque > >- a sixth gear or spread the ratios of the existing five to reduce > >rpms in > > top gear by 10% > >- a taller stock windshield > >- a adustible height windshield like the Wing > >- a idiot light for charging system health > >- a warmed air vent behind the faring > >- a rear disc brake > >- a small "glove box" in the unused space just behind the seat > > or a brake light in that space > >- more easily adjusted rear suspension > >- the ability to close the trunk without locking it > >- dual straight pipes down the right side (just checking to see if -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:04:41 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: "Jason Grant" , "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: PC FOR SALE Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:54:58 -0400 I was thinking more of a little monetary sum. You know those Indians need some maintenance now and then. According to the last poll that we conducted the 1990 model came out on top by a large margin. You do remember don't you. I think the 1994 came in third or fourth in the balloting. Something about it being invisible. Vince ---------- > > I also purchased mine from viewing an ad he posted... maybe we should > give him a title for being a prolific PCer. > > Surely you meant to say that we all agree the 94 is the best model. :) > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 14:48:28 -0400 From: Jason Grant To: Vincent Santamaria , PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: PC FOR SALE Must have been before I joined the list. I've read the archivies in linear fasion, but stopped around August 96. Not enough time right now. I was joking around; I firmly believe that on the web site we should show a picture of each model year/color and next to it have an asterisk. As a footnote for the asterisk it should say, "Best color." Personally I prefer the black to the other colors, but if I had a red or pearl I have a feeling that after a short amount of time I would prefer that. Vincent Santamaria wrote: > According to the last poll that we conducted the 1990 model came out > on top > by a large margin. You do remember don't you. I think the 1994 came in > > third or fourth in the balloting. Something about it being invisible. > Vince > > ---------- > > > > I also purchased mine from viewing an ad he posted... maybe we > should > > give him a title for being a prolific PCer. > > > > Surely you meant to say that we all agree the 94 is the best model. > :) > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Misumi, Fred" To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: PC800: PC FOR SALE Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 11:47:32 -0700 Featuring every year's model is a must on a PC page. Fred Misumi Systems Development FMisumi@SedgwickRe.BRKR.com x2940 > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Grant [SMTP:crazyapple@ibm.net] > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 1997 11:48 AM > To: Vincent Santamaria; PC800 > Subject: Re: PC800: PC FOR SALE > > Must have been before I joined the list. I've read the archivies in > linear fasion, but stopped around August 96. Not enough time right > now. > > I was joking around; I firmly believe that on the web site we should > show a picture of each model year/color and next to it have an > asterisk. As a footnote for the asterisk it should say, "Best color." > > Personally I prefer the black to the other colors, but if I had a red > or > pearl I have a feeling that after a short amount of time I would > prefer > that. > > Vincent Santamaria wrote: > > > According to the last poll that we conducted the 1990 model came out > > on top > > by a large margin. You do remember don't you. I think the 1994 came > in > > > > third or fourth in the balloting. Something about it being > invisible. > > Vince > > > > ---------- > > > > > > I also purchased mine from viewing an ad he posted... maybe we > > should > > > give him a title for being a prolific PCer. > > > > > > Surely you meant to say that we all agree the 94 is the best > model. > > :) > > > > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 02 Sep 1997 15:13:13 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 15:12:39 -0400 From: "J. MARK VENABLE" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re:Needing Moral Support Stacy aka Joe Marshall wrote: >Last Aug 29 I rode on a motorcycle for the first time (Magna) and while >I loved it, I couldn't see myself riding one. That is, until I went to >the Honda Hoot in June and saw and fell in love with the PC800. (snip) >I forgot to mention I am not a patient woman and now I am getting frustrated. > I'm wondering if I will eveeer be able to handle my PC, and thinking maybe >I am just too damn small to ride it, although >from what others have said here, I've been encouraged to see others my >size who ride. >Any warm fuzzy words of encouragement for a fledgling PC owner? Barre' Bull gave some good advice. I can add the warm fuzzy words. My PC was also my first bike and I (although certainly not petite) wondered if it was a wise first choice. After all, 800 cc's was a lot of bike just a few years ago. I also has some troubles with the learning curve. ("This End Up" was earned!) But you did the right thing and did the MSR course first. You should have all the tools you need to stay out of trouble. Just keep your head and be prudent. You will soon start getting confident in your new skills. Practice certainly pays off. The PC is a very able bike. It is one of the best balanced bikes around. And motorcycling is not a strength sport. Keep at it. and stay in touch. Good Luck Mark Venable '90 PC 10,150 "This End Up" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 13:34:19 -0700 From: PILEWIS1 To: Keith Sproul CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Drving Lights Keith Sproul wrote: > > Some time ago, I saw a refernece to a good set of driving lights for the > PC. The biggest concern was how they mounted.. > > I would prefer some that mounted under the cowling, above the front wheel.. > > Can anyone point me in the right directions? > Hi Keith! Some of us have installed the Tenzos. You can see their page at http://www.qni.com/~nyztyz/tenzo/. You can see where I mounted mine at http://www.concentric.net/~Pilewis1/pcphotos/PCRPHOT4.HTM. (I apologize for the download time, and to all of the other members of the SCPCRC for not getting their pictures included in a timely manner. I hope to rearrange things a little bit better this week!) As for mounting under the cowling, one other rider mounted them near there, and had some problems. I hope he can add some info on his installation. As for me, I have not had any problems with the lights where they are currently mounted. If you have any questions, I'm sure that Jeff knights (jknigh1@claycogov.com) should be able to help. Take care, Phil -- ******************** * * * Phil Lewis * * So-Cal * * '90 PC * * "Delta Red" * * Enjoying The Ride! * * * ******************** -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 14:05:27 -0700 From: PILEWIS1 To: PC800 GROUP Subject: PC800: Matching Paint! Hi All! A few days ago (I think it was a few days, but the days turn into weeks so fast, I can't keep up! :( ), someone asked about matching paint. The Paint Store, 28052 Camino Capistrano, Laguna Niguel, California, 714-364-6121, will match your paint. It's about $10 for the match, and about $20 for a pint of paint. It's also about $5.50 per spray can. For those of you not in the local area, I would expect you would have to have the paint sent in its original can and then you could have it put into a spray can where you live (I'm not sure if you can ship a spray can, but I haven't check into it.). Obviously, this is a little bit more expensive than ordering some paint by number, but these people do a very good job of matching the paint color. They don't do it by computer match. They just have a talent for "eye-balling" it. I had them do my crash guard covers, and the result was very good. One pint of paint can make about 4 to 5 spray cans. If you live in the local area, I'll give you directions. Also, you may be able to share some of the cost. I sold a can of silver to Rusty for his '90, and the match was close enough for him to paint his Tenzo lights. One spray can easily do all four crash guard covers. I'm going to have him make up some red for me this week to repaint my mirrors. ("Hanger Rash"!!) I'll get more than a pint made if some others would like some. Take care, Phil -- ******************** * * * Phil Lewis * * So-Cal * * '90 PC * * "Delta Red" * * Enjoying The Ride! * * * ******************** -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 18:00:01 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Jason Grant CC: PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: PC FOR SALE Jason Grant wrote: > Surely you meant to say that we all agree the 94 is the best model. > :) If memory serves me correctly, I believe the '96 model is the final word on the most desirable year of manufacture... ;-) gk ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net gklim@harman.com ________________________________________________________________________ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 15:58:08 -0700 From: Phil Lewis To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Matching Paint! Roger Prince wrote: > > Phil, > > What is > > > ("Hanger Rash"!!) ? > > > Roger In case anyone else is curious about "hanger rash," that's an old pilot term for all the little nicks and scrapes and dents that airplanes always seem to get when they are in the hanger for maintenance. My side mirrors have a few nicks and scrapes that I need to sand out and repaint. Unfortunately, I can't blame my hanger rash on anybody but me!! :( Take care, Phil -- ******************** * * * Phil Lewis * * So-Cal * * '90 PC * * "Delta Red" * * Enjoying The Ride! * * * ******************** -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:35:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Garbacik To: PC800 Subject: PC800: Color delusions On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Gary E. Klim wrote: > Jason Grant wrote: > > > Surely you meant to say that we all agree the 94 is the best model. > > :) > > If memory serves me correctly, I believe the '96 model is the final word > on the most desirable year of manufacture... ;-) > Now, now! The Original is Still the Best! It embodies purity and innocence along with a wraithful, powerful, ghostly, vitality. Tom '89 (Moonbeam)- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 20:31:57 -0400 To: "Vincent Santamaria" From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: PC FOR SALE Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Vincent Santamaria wrote: >We all agree that the 1990 is the best >model of the PC. Vince > >-- We do? fsl ;-) Francois Saint Laurent Ottawa, Canada '95 PC800 Waltzing Matilda 3400 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 19:13:45 -0700 From: Rotorhead To: Tom Garbacik CC: PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: Color delusions So I'm curious; what's the feelings about the new '97's? I'm very pleased with mine, and wonder if I got a good bike, after hearing all the nastalgic comments about the vintage ones! Don Bennett Lowell, Oregon '97 PC, 1,654 miles in 5 weeks! Tom Garbacik wrote: > On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Gary E. Klim wrote: > > > Jason Grant wrote: > > > > > Surely you meant to say that we all agree the 94 is the best > model. > > > :) > > > > If memory serves me correctly, I believe the '96 model is the final > word > > on the most desirable year of manufacture... ;-) > > > > Now, now! The Original is Still the Best! It embodies purity and > innocence along with a wraithful, powerful, ghostly, vitality. > > Tom > '89 (Moonbeam)- > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Tue, 2 Sep 1997 21:40:36 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 21:35:22 -0700 From: "Gregg L. DesElms" To: Ted Gerarden CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, Rocky Rocheux Subject: Re: PC800: PC FOR SALE Ted Gerarden wrote: > > Sold 9/1 to a new PC owner--me! I've been monitoring the email group for > several weeks, and have picked up many useful hints and ideas from y'all. > Thanks particularly to folks that emailed me directly with encouragement and ------------------------------------ SNIP ------------------------------------ Congratulations, Ted. Gregg DesElms deselms@royal.net '89 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id WXO08825; Tue, 02 Sep 1997 22:53:28 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: vsantamaria@worldnet.att.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: PC FOR SALE From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky Rocheux) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 22:53:28 EDT I don't want a finder's fee. Just a smarty pants fee from you. 25 cents please, Mr. Smarty Pants! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id WXN08825; Tue, 02 Sep 1997 22:53:27 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: bb1@pgstumail.pg.cc.md.us Cc: ahclem@mindspring.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, jmarshall.dcjs@state.va.us Subject: Re: PC800: Needing moral support from other PC'ers From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky Rocheux) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 22:53:27 EDT Keep on trying. Read the book "Inner Skiing." It will teach you how to condition your brain. It is WONDERFUL! It is a matter of trial and error. Let an experienced rider take you on the PC and listen to the music of the machine and feel the angle and power combination that makes a perfect turn at different speeds. Like an airplane when banking, the speed must be right or the aircraft will "slide" up and out of the turn if too high speed---if the speed is too slow for the angle of bank the aircraft will fall inward. Atleast with a plane you have altitude left before you scrape your plane on the asphalt and time to correct. But it is quite similar, really, banking a plane and banking a mcycle. That is why motorcyclists learn to fly on average more easily than non motorcyclists. Start with wider turns and perfect them and then work on tighter and tighter turns. Don't start out with tight turns. Work your way into them. Then come up here to Northern Virginia from Richmond and take a ride with us. My wife just took the MSF course and tonite we spent 3 hrs at DMV at Fair Oaks Mall and got her her lic. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Wed, 3 Sep 1997 03:03:54 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: "Rotorhead" , "Tom Garbacik" Cc: "PC800" Subject: Re: PC800: Color delusions Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 22:53:46 -0400 Rotohead,What do you mean about vintage? I'm pretty sure that the 97's are ok but only time will tell. Might be the last year. Take care of her. Vince ---------- > So I'm curious; what's the feelings about the new '97's? I'm very > pleased with mine, and wonder if I got a good bike, after hearing all > the nastalgic comments about the vintage ones! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id BqV27432; Wed, 03 Sep 1997 01:48:00 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 21:49:27 -0700 Subject: Re: PC800: PC FOR SALE From: timmacy@juno.com (Timothy B Macy) On Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:01:11 -0400 "Vincent Santamaria" writes: > We all agree that the 1990 is the best model of the PC. And we all agree that Vince is slightly biased...! :-}} Enjoy your new ride, Ted...even though it isn't black... Tim Portland, OR '94 PC800--60,528 Miles of Smiles "I love California, I practically grew up in Phoenix." - Vice President Dan Quayle -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id BqW27432; Wed, 03 Sep 1997 01:48:01 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 21:53:01 -0700 Subject: Re: PC800: PC FOR SALE From: timmacy@juno.com (Timothy B Macy) On Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:54:58 -0400 "Vincent Santamaria" writes: >I think the 1994 came in third or fourth in the balloting. Something about it being >invisible. Hmmm, was that an oblique shot at the StealthMobile? Good thing he's not sensitive! Tim Portland, OR '94 PC800--60,528 Miles of Smiles "I love California, I practically grew up in Phoenix." - Vice President Dan Quayle -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id BqY27432; Wed, 03 Sep 1997 01:48:01 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 22:07:53 -0700 Subject: Re: PC800: Color delusions From: timmacy@juno.com (Timothy B Macy) On Tue, 02 Sep 1997 19:13:45 -0700 Rotorhead writes: >So I'm curious; what's the feelings about the new '97's? I'm very pleased with mine, >and wonder if I got a good bike, after hearing all the nostalgic comments about the >vintage ones! > >Don Bennett >Lowell, Oregon >'97 PC, 1,654 miles in 5 weeks! Vintage? Vintage? The StealthMobile just barely handled Tom Garbacik's "Purity and Innocence"! Now he IS pissed! :-}} Tim Portland, OR '94 PC800--60,528 Miles of Smiles "I love California, I practically grew up in Phoenix." - Vice President Dan Quayle -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jfmoemd@aol.com by emout03.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA20819; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:16:04 -0400 (EDT) To: crazyapple@ibm.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: PC FOR SALE In a message dated 97-09-02 13:35:51 EDT, crazyapple@ibm.net writes: << Surely you meant to say that we all agree the 94 is the best model. :) Jason >> It clearly was a slip of the finger - typing those numbers correctly is tough! John, '94 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA18776 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:55:16 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Needing moral support from other PC'ers Hi Stacy: Barre's advice is spot on. For sharp turns, it is important to maintain enough speed to keep the bike stable, turn your head to face where you want to go, keep your eyes up, and be ready with a little nudge of power to pick the bike up if you feel like you need to put a foot down. Riding slowly is the most difficult physical skill in motorcycling; it takes years of practice to get to the point where you are good enough to be comfortable with it. In the mean time, avoid riding slowly until you are more comfortable with the bike. Just ride it at comfortable speeds and enjoy it. You might want to take the MSF course again, just to gain a bit more experience and confidence on a smaller machine. After 6 months or so, sign up for an MSF Experienced RiderCourse where you can practice what you learned in the first course on your own bike. Apply what you learned, stay focused, and ride. It'll come. JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jeroen van Vuure" To: "PC800 owners club" Subject: Re: PC800: Matching Paint! Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:55:19 +0200 I'm from the netherlands so I think that's a little bit to far for me. before I had this PC I had a Yamaha XV535 american model. This american model from 1987 had a very small dummy tank so I put the saw in it and made it wider. I had it paint by a proffesional painter but when I got it back the paint wasn't the same as the original one. I don't go back to that place again!!!!!!!! I'am sure that there are also some good places to go so if nobody now's the color number I'm going to look for that. thank's anyway. Jeroen van Vuure ---------- > From: PILEWIS1 > To: PC800 GROUP > Subject: PC800: Matching Paint! > Date: dinsdag 2 september 1997 23:05 > > Hi All! > > A few days ago (I think it was a few days, but the days turn into weeks > so fast, I can't keep up! :( ), someone asked about matching paint. > > The Paint Store, 28052 Camino Capistrano, Laguna Niguel, California, > 714-364-6121, will match your paint. It's about $10 for the match, and > about $20 for a pint of paint. It's also about $5.50 per spray can. > For those of you not in the local area, I would expect you would have to > have the paint sent in its original can and then you could have it put > into a spray can where you live (I'm not sure if you can ship a spray > can, but I haven't check into it.). > > Obviously, this is a little bit more expensive than ordering some paint > by number, but these people do a very good job of matching the paint > color. They don't do it by computer match. They just have a talent for > "eye-balling" it. I had them do my crash guard covers, and the result > was very good. One pint of paint can make about 4 to 5 spray cans. > > If you live in the local area, I'll give you directions. Also, you may > be able to share some of the cost. I sold a can of silver to Rusty for > his '90, and the match was close enough for him to paint his Tenzo > lights. One spray can easily do all four crash guard covers. I'm going > to have him make up some red for me this week to repaint my mirrors. > ("Hanger Rash"!!) I'll get more than a pint made if some others would > like some. > > Take care, > > Phil > > > -- > ******************** > * * > * Phil Lewis * > * So-Cal * > * '90 PC * > * "Delta Red" * > * Enjoying The Ride! * > * * > ******************** > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jeroen van Vuure" To: "PC800 owners club" Subject: Re: PC800: PC FOR SALE Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 17:03:37 +0200 I like the discussion of when the best PC is made but I have one question before you go on with this funny discussion. Is there except fo the color any other change made to the PC through the years? ---------- > From: Gary E. Klim > To: Jason Grant > Cc: PC800 > Subject: Re: PC800: PC FOR SALE > Date: woensdag 3 september 1997 0:00 > > Jason Grant wrote: > > > Surely you meant to say that we all agree the 94 is the best model. > > :) > > If memory serves me correctly, I believe the '96 model is the final word > on the most desirable year of manufacture... ;-) > > gk > ________________________________________________________________________ > Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net > gklim@harman.com > ________________________________________________________________________ > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com by emout11.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA27953 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:58:00 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Other Bikes Hi All: Bryce has an interesting stable of bikes, and I think his description of each is great. I envy him for the VFR. I'd love to have one of those beauties. I've got a Hawk GT as my "play bike." It is fun, fun, fun in the twisties, and I love it. But it doesn't have the power or style of the VFR. I don't covet an ST1100. It's a great bike, and if the PC were not available it would probably have been my choice. But I don't have any riding needs that it meets better than or even as well as the PC. The extra power is superfluous for everyday riding. I routinely ride and tour with folks on STs, and I have no difficulty staying with them at all. The ST can be made nearly (but not quite) as comfortable for touring as the stock PC with a liberal application of aftermarket handlebars, windscreens and seats, but there is nothing to be done about the buzz in the hand grips and pegs. The only thing about it that I would like to have is the fuel capacity. My other bikes (an H-D Panhead, a Triumph Tigre Cub, and a Honda GL1000) are ,sadly, relegated to sitting in the garage and gathering dust, waiting their turn along with an old Porsche 356 for some TLC and restoration. They were faithful steeds for many years, but they simply can't hold a candle to the PC and Hawk when it comes to comfort, reliability, safety and riding pleasure. I ride them once in a while, but such rides serve mostly to remind me of how good we have it now. As far as motorcycles go, the good ol' days are now! JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 15:35:58 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: "PC800 owners club" Subject: Re: PC800: PC FOR SALE Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:27:04 -0400 Jeroen, The 1990 model was the year that they fixed all the bugs in the 1989. Unfortunately, some one at the factory screwed up and put the bugs back in after the 1990 model run. ( just kidding ) . All are wonderful. As someone on the list said " The PC is not great in any one area but is very good in all areas". Ride another bike then jump on your PC and you will see what I mean. I rode my PC last night after riding my 1100 Shadow and what a difference. I can't think of a change to the PC that would improve it (IMHO) that wouldn't hurt it in another area or add additional cost. Vince in Fort Myers, Florida ---------- > I like the discussion of when the best PC is made but I have one question > before you go on with this funny discussion. > Is there except fo the color any other change made to the PC through the > years? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 12:18:19 -0400 From: Roger Prince To: Jeroen van Vuure Cc: PC800 owners club Subject: Re: PC800: Matching Paint! >From the Honda microfiche: Protector, R. fairing *NH253M* (All four protectors are *NH253M* Type 1 Ocean Gray Another place calls out: Ocean Gray Metallic The main color is Pearl Pacific White NH-251P Roger Jeroen van Vuure wrote: > > I'm from the netherlands so I think that's a little bit to far for me. > before I had this PC I had a Yamaha XV535 american model. This american > model from 1987 had a very small dummy tank so I put the saw in it and made > it wider. > I had it paint by a proffesional painter but when I got it back the paint > wasn't the same as the original one. I don't go back to that place > again!!!!!!!! > I'am sure that there are also some good places to go so if nobody now's the > color number I'm going to look for that. > > thank's anyway. > > Jeroen van Vuure > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Misumi, Fred" Cc: PC800 Subject: RE: PC800: Color delusions Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:41:04 -0700 Yes, A salesman that I had befriended in my local Honda shop will be attending the official unveiling of the Honda 1998 products show in New York towards the end of this month. It's pretty hush-hush up until then about any vehicle. > -----Original Message----- > From: Vincent Santamaria [SMTP:vsantamaria@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 1997 7:54 PM > To: Rotorhead; Tom Garbacik > Cc: PC800 > Subject: Re: PC800: Color delusions > > Rotohead,What do you mean about vintage? I'm pretty sure that the 97's > are > ok but only time will tell. Might be the last year. Take care of her. > Vince > > ---------- > > > So I'm curious; what's the feelings about the new '97's? I'm very > > pleased with mine, and wonder if I got a good bike, after hearing > all > > the nastalgic comments about the vintage ones! > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA11980; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:47:39 -0400 (EDT) To: ahclem@mindspring.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu cc: jmarshall.dcjs@state.va.us Subject: Re: PC800: Needing moral support from other PC'ers In a message dated 97-09-02 08:18:50 EDT, ahclem@mindspring.com writes: << Well, I'm not inclined to buy another bike, and my partner now has a Valkyrie, so he's no help, so I've been doing parking lots. I dropped the bike once, doing a real slow turn without the bike being upright, as others have talked about here. I'm also having trouble with doing sharp turns. I forgot to mention I am not a patient woman and now I am getting frustrated. I'm wondering if I will eveeer be able to handle my PC, and thinking maybe I am just too damn small to ride it, although from what others have said here, I've been encouraged to see others my size who ride. >> FWIW, parking lot manouvers are the most difficult to master. I would suggest that you get experience at moderate speeds before you try to master parking lot manouvers. FWIW, my wife is 5' 4" and rides a PC. I gave her that same advice. Once you are familiar with the PC you can start working on the slow speed stuff. (Wait till you have a couple of thousand miles under your belt...) Don't give up on the PC. It's really a very easy bike to ride. Regards, <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ramin Keyvan" Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:18:52 -0700 "PC800: Color delusions" (Sep 2, 4:35pm) To: Tom Garbacik , PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: Color delusions Wow Tom! That's beautiful! Do I have your permission to use that somewhere? ;) Ramin On Sep 2, 4:35pm, Tom Garbacik wrote: > > > > Now, now! The Original is Still the Best! It embodies purity and > innocence along with a wraithful, powerful, ghostly, vitality. > > Tom > '89 (Moonbeam)- > > -- ------------------------------------------------------ |Ramin Keyvan | Voice: 415-846-5169 | |Member Technical Staff/ | FAX: 415-846-1228 | |Release Group | Main #:415-846-5000 | |ramin@tibco.com | Beeper:800-SKY-GRAM | |http://www.tibco.com | Beeper Pin #: 471-3186# | ------------------------------------------------------ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:35:16 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 12:30:12 -0700 From: "Gregg L. DesElms" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Color delusions Misumi, Fred wrote: > > Yes, > > A salesman that I had befriended in my local Honda shop will be > attending the official unveiling of the Honda 1998 products show in New > York towards the end of this month. It's pretty hush-hush up until then > about any vehicle. > FYI: When I spoke to Honda about my stator, the guy in customer relations said that, as he nearly as he could tell, the '98 PC will be mechanically and feature-wise identical to the '97. Color: Black. I'm not saying he's accurate, I'm just telling you what he told me when I asked him about it. He paused while I heard him flipping through some kind of booklet or something and that's the information he came back with. He said he had no idea what the price would be, nor did the document he was looking at contain any other details. That's all I know. Gregg DesElms deselms@royal.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ramin Keyvan" Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:55:49 -0700 "Re: PC800: Needing moral support from other PC'ers" (Sep 3, 12:47pm) To: TedJ101@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Needing moral support from other PC'ers Stacy: I'm inclined to agree with Ted. The PC is an amazingly forgiving bike to ride. Give it a few thousand miles and you'll soon find that all of your rapid-fire thinking will quiet down and you'll ride on "instinct". This **does** take time and practice though. The only other advice I can give, in addition to all the great advice you've already gotten from these folks, is to force yourself to not look down while riding. This is a common thing that beginning riders do that overwhelms their speed sensors and sometimes causes them to crash (don't ask me how I know this ;) ). Always remember to look up (ie. straigh ahead / in the direction you want to go). My old Karate instructor used to tell me that I didn't need to look down because my feet knew where they were. The same principle applies to riding. Your tires basically know where they are. Concentrate on pointing the bike where you want to go. Oh, and one more thing, don't feel compelled to do **anything** while riding that you're uncomfortable with. Do things at your own pace and don't push too hard. With time and practice will come smoothness and speed. Hang in there, have fun, be safe, Ramin "Chang Kane" Keyvan Say "Om" y'all ;) On Sep 3, 12:47pm, TedJ101@aol.com wrote: > Subject: Re: PC800: Needing moral support from other PC'ers > In a message dated 97-09-02 08:18:50 EDT, ahclem@mindspring.com writes: > > > > FWIW, parking lot manouvers are the most difficult to master. I would > suggest that you get experience at moderate speeds before you try to master > parking lot manouvers. FWIW, my wife is 5' 4" and rides a PC. I gave her > that same advice. Once you are familiar with the PC you can start working on > the slow speed stuff. (Wait till you have a couple of thousand miles under > your belt...) > > Don't give up on the PC. It's really a very easy bike to ride. > > Regards, > <> > -- > -- ------------------------------------------------------ |Ramin Keyvan | Voice: 415-846-5169 | |Member Technical Staff/ | FAX: 415-846-1228 | |Release Group | Main #:415-846-5000 | |ramin@tibco.com | Beeper:800-SKY-GRAM | |http://www.tibco.com | Beeper Pin #: 471-3186# | ------------------------------------------------------ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jeroen van Vuure" To: "PC800 owners club" Subject: Re: PC800: PC FOR SALE Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 20:09:48 +0200 I know what you mean Vincent. I've droven a ST1100 , HD 1340 low rider, suzuki bandit, Honda CB750, XV535, and some other bike's but exept for the ST1100 they can't compete with the PC. A have the PC for a month now and just before I bought it I drove a ST1100 for one day. I think it drive's just as good as the PC but it's not my type of bike. I like the power on the ST1100 very much but it feels more like a race bike than the PC does. My first bike was a Yamaha XV535 so I think that's the reason why I like bike where you sit upright on more. When you go from a XV535 to a PC the PC seems very fast to, so I don't mis the power of the ST1100. doeg ( good bye in dutch) Jeroen van Vuure ---------- > From: Vincent Santamaria > To: PC800 owners club > Subject: Re: PC800: PC FOR SALE > Date: woensdag 3 september 1997 17:27 > > Jeroen, The 1990 model was the year that they fixed all the bugs in the > 1989. Unfortunately, some one at the factory screwed up and put the bugs > back in after the 1990 model run. ( just kidding ) . All are wonderful. > As someone on the list said " The PC is not great in any one area but is > very good in all areas". Ride another bike then jump on your PC and you > will see what I mean. I rode my PC last night after riding my 1100 Shadow > and what a difference. > > I can't think of a change to the PC that would improve it (IMHO) that > wouldn't hurt it in another area or add additional cost. > > Vince in Fort Myers, Florida > > ---------- > > > I like the discussion of when the best PC is made but I have one question > > before you go on with this funny discussion. > > Is there except fo the color any other change made to the PC through the > > years? > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "PC800 (E-mail)" Subject: PC800: Iron Butt Update: Bob Ray and his PC800 still going strong on the final leg... Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:11:06 -0700 I met Bob yesterday at the Yakima, WA checkpoint. It's the last checkpoint before the rally ends near Chicago on Friday. Bob was in good spirits, the his new '97 PC800 was running strong. Not even a hickup in the 11,800 miles showing on the odemeter (he'd ridding almost 8k miles as of the 8th day). We kicked tires for a bit as he showed me his fuel cell and answered all my questions about the ride. Stuff like how you feeling, what's been the toughest part, how much sleep you getting, etc. He had slipped a bit in the standings to I think 25th place or so (from 18th earlier). He spent a lot of this time this last leg helping out a fellow rider who had crashed earlier in New England and had purchased a Honda 500 something there in hopes of finishing the ride. The guy is physically hurting and the bike is no the best but Bob wants to help and be part of the team. He says his finish place doesn't matter but he does want to earn a gold medal (3 medals awarded to riders based on their final point tally). As he sat planning the final leg he was sure he'd finish and make his goal to earn enough points for that Gold Medal. Good luck to you Bob and tell us all about it when you get home now, y'here? -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft, Redmond, WA AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140/STOC 478 '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" '96 Honda ST1100 ALT "TruST" ---------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 15:04:57 -0400 From: Roger Prince To: PC800 Mail List Subject: PC800: Iron Butt Fatality Daily News 9/3/97 By Motorcycle Online Staff Rider Dies in Iron Butt Rally Ron Major, a 56-year-old televsion engineer from Temple City, California, died Sunday while participating in the 1997 Iron Butt Rally. Major was found just outside of Yuma, Arizona, about a quarter of a mile away from his motorcycle. Several other Iron Butt riders noticed his bike leaning against a guardrail and searched for Major, but could not locate him. The Arizona Highway Patrol discovered his body after a helicopter search. Police have not yet determined the cause of death. At this point, they believe Major may have either fallen asleep while riding or suffered a heart attack. Major's motorcycle, a Honda ST1100, appeared to have suffered only minor damage. The Iron Butt Rally is a bi-annual long distance riding event in which participants must travel approximately 10,000 miles in 11 days. Its riders proclaim themselves as the "World's Toughest Motorcyclists." Major won the 1991 Iron Butt Rally, and was popular figure among endurance riding eunthusiasts. "He loved the Iron Butt Rally," said his daughter, Kathy. Funeral arrangements are pending. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Wed, 3 Sep 1997 20:29:17 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: "Ramin Keyvan" , , Subject: Re: PC800: Needing moral support from other PC'ers Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:21:52 -0400 This is the best of all the very good advice (for new and old, experienced riders) that I have heard in this thread. Don't get caught with riding at someone else's pace. Vince ---------- that you're uncomfortable with. Do things at your own pace and don't push too > hard. With time and practice will come smoothness and speed. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id SlN18887; Wed, 03 Sep 1997 18:01:09 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: ramin@tibco.com Cc: TedJ101@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Needing moral support from other PC'ers From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 18:01:09 EDT There was an excellent discussion of left and right brain riding this month in some mag. Wasn't it MCN? Males are more left brain oriented than females & vice versa. 10% are reversed. One learns to ride (learns motor skills) in his/her left brain and then transfers the behavior to the right brain. When that occurs you find yourself daydreaming while riding and you may have no conscious memory of passing under I-22, for instance. That is when you don't consciously suffer thru a turn. You can be chatting on the intercom and the right brain automatically handles speed and angle of bank just as those 400 computers fly the Airbus. The book "Inner Skiing" would be excellent as I mentioned to our lady in need of support. In it he tells how the instructor had them all follow each other down a hill and make a chosen animal noise. The noise distracted the left brain and the right brain took over and it showed how when you find yourself negotiating a mogul field while daydreaming you have finally arrived as a good skier. The right brain is the creative brain (again a 10% exception exists--I spoke with a left brain creative man today and I know that because his right eyebrow did all the moving up and down as he spoke--the right side of the body is controlled by the left side of the brain). Because most females are right brain predominant they make better dancers than males generally. The research I read only covered caucasians. Because your wife is right brain oriented she will remember where you, the forgetful cauc. male, left your keys. They are on the paino. She makes videotapes of everything she surveys as she passes thru the house and they are available for instant recall. Your neighbor woman will notice before you that your wife got her hair restyled. There are some females and males however that were born with a brain, in whole or in part, for the opposite sex. But that is another story. Et vive la difference. Having trouble learning to ride? It ain't your body, friend, it is your brain. So let us learn our brains and how they work and we can more easily learn a new skill like how far to lean a bike and what speed to effect to have the center of gravity just where it needs to be to avoid crashing off to one side or falling down on the other. Read "Inner Skiing" I say. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by pgstumail.pg.cc.md.us (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA04659; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 19:25:46 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 19:25:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: Rocky E Rocheux cc: ramin@tibco.com, TedJ101@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Needing moral support from other PC'ers On Wed, 3 Sep 1997, Rocky E Rocheux wrote: > There was an excellent discussion of left and right brain riding this > month in some mag. Wasn't it MCN? > > Males are more left brain oriented than females & vice versa. > 10% are reversed. > > One learns to ride (learns motor skills) in his/her left brain and then > transfers the behavior to the right brain. When that occurs you find > yourself daydreaming while riding and you may have no conscious memory of > passing under I-22, for instance. That is when you don't consciously > suffer thru a turn. You can be chatting on the intercom and the right > brain automatically handles speed and angle of bank just as those 400 > computers fly the Airbus. The book "Inner Skiing" would be excellent as > I mentioned to our lady in need of support. > > In it he tells how the instructor had them all follow each other down a > hill and make a chosen animal noise. The noise distracted the left brain > and the right brain took over and it showed how when you find yourself > negotiating a mogul field while daydreaming you have finally arrived as a > good skier. > > The right brain is the creative brain (again a 10% exception exists--I > spoke with a left brain creative man today and I know that because his > right eyebrow did all the moving up and down as he spoke--the right side > of the body is controlled by the left side of the brain). > > Because most females are right brain predominant they make better dancers > than males generally. The research I read only covered caucasians. > Because your wife is right brain oriented she will remember where you, > the forgetful cauc. male, left your keys. They are on the paino. She > makes videotapes of everything she surveys as she passes thru the house > and they are available for instant recall. Your neighbor woman will > notice before you that your wife got her hair restyled. > There are some females and males however that were born with a brain, in > whole or in part, for the opposite sex. But that is another story. > Et vive la difference. > > Having trouble learning to ride? It ain't your body, friend, it is your > brain. > So let us learn our brains and how they work and we can more easily learn > a new skill like how far to lean a bike and what speed to effect to have > the center of gravity just where it needs to be to avoid crashing off to > one side or falling down on the other. > > Read "Inner Skiing" I say. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > The above was a complicated way of saying what I tell my students when they insist on going through the range exercises by the numbers and mess up..."Don't think about it do it!" I have come to realize that people often let their brains get in the way of things that the body after practice actually can do quite well. Students will brake, turn head, lean and roll rather than turn. Difference is...4 steps or one process...if you think about each step then you are not allowing the smooth flow of the process. Barre' Barre' Bull Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail.pacifier.com (8.8.5pac/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA09496 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 17:48:00 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "ceevee" To: "PC800 list" Subject: PC800: Hiway On Ramps Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 17:53:15 -0700 This ties in with the "moral support" thread. I'm a new rider, too. While I'm getting more comfortable all the time I still dislike the turtle crawl when traffic is backed up on the on-ramp. Is there a graceful way to handle this? About the time I get my feet on the pegs I feel like I need to take them off again. Paddle walking up the entire ramp is pretty awful, too. I don't feel like I'm going to fall over or anything, but I sure would like some suggestions (other than not get on the freeway at rush hour). Thanks Cleo Portland OR -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/970902) via SMTP id WAA19702 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 22:02:24 -0400 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: FW: PC800: PC FOR SALE Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:07:28 -0400 it's OK Tim, the black ones are STILL the sexiest! Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timothy B Macy [SMTP:timmacy@juno.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 1997 12:53 AM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: PC FOR SALE On Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:54:58 -0400 "Vincent Santamaria" writes: >I think the 1994 came in third or fourth in the balloting. Something about it being >invisible. Hmmm, was that an oblique shot at the StealthMobile? Good thing he's not sensitive! Tim Portland, OR '94 PC800--60,528 Miles of Smiles "I love California, I practically grew up in Phoenix." - Vice President Dan Quayle -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/970902) via SMTP id WAA19708 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 22:02:28 -0400 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: PC800: OK, OK, I took your advice. Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:56:35 -0400 A few weeks ago in a response to someone's question about windnoise and the Rifle windshield, I made the comment that my wife experiences more noise than I do because of the higher passenger seat. There were a couple of responses along the lines of, "who would want to ride there anyway... get her her own bike!". Well, last night we did just that! Actually, she already has her motorcycle operator license but hadn't ridden (other than as a passenger) since she was a teenager. This all started last weekend when she decided she wanted to take my son's CB125 out for a "little spin" (much to his dismay, I might add!). I went along on the PC and she enjoyed it so much, we ended up riding 80 miles on Sunday and another 120 on Monday (yes, on a 125!). I kept asking, "Are you SURE you want to keep going?" and she kept answering, "YES!" In case you don't know, the PC gets really excellent gas mileage while riding at 55mph and slower. This is her first real motorcycle, (the last thing she rode was a scooter) and we wanted something large enough for local day rides yet nimble enough for her to handle. We choose a clean, low mileage CB450 NightHawk which seems to fill the bill nicely. It weighs a little less than 400 lbs but feels more like 300 because of the very low center of gravity and with only her 135 lbs on board, it has plenty of zip. We picked it up last night and rode about 60 miles before dark then did another 120 this morning before I had to do the work thing. She is really getting into this and I'm having fun with it too. Looks like she'll be on her own wheels at the TN-STAR rally in Townsend later this month! Now, I have to buy a set of communicators and yes, I have the Sept issue of "Rider" with all the tests. Also, because I know all you good MSF instructors will advise us to do so, we're all (my wife, son and me) scheduled for the MSF course at the earliest available date (November). BTW, if there are other list members planning to go to TN-STAR and don't yet have lodging in Townsend, we may have an extra bedroom. We rented a 3-bedroom house in Townsend (with a carport, no less) for both Friday and Saturday nights and its begining to look like one of the rooms may end up being unoccupied. The cost is for the bedroom would be about $35/night if anyone is interested. Jim Randall - 95 Pacific Coast (Black IS beautiful) jrandall@tricon.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 22:06:51 -0400 From: Hal MacDonald To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: [Fwd: RON MAJOR's FINAL RIDE] --------------18E21EB62725 Hi; Just thought that this may be of interest to some on this list. It was posted this AM to the ST1100 list. The attatchment tells of the death of a very well known and highly respected veteran rider in the annual Irob Butt Marathon. Ron Majors won the marathon in 1991, and was 55 yrs old at the time of his death during the third leg of this year's marathon. Some postings on the ST1100 list indicated that there is at least one PC800 entered this year. Ride Safely Hal MacDonald Ajax, Ontario Canada STOC #593, HRCA, HSTA 89 PC 92 ST1100 --------------18E21EB62725 by nemesis.idirect.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id DAA13820 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 03:47:14 -0400 (EDT) by relief.idirect.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id DAA09619 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 03:47:12 -0400 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 2 Sep 1997 00:29:04 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 00:29:04 -0700 To: st1100@st1100.com, ldrider@usaa.net From: John & Becci Parker Subject: RON MAJOR's FINAL RIDE I just received the most devastating call from Kathy Major, Ron's daughter. Ron was killed Sunday morning on the 3rd leg of the Iron Butt Rally, just outside of Yuma, on the Arizona side. The police could not find Ron and therefore called in helicopters. His body was found about 1/4 mi before the bike came to rest. At this point there is speculation as to whether he fell asleep or possibly had a heart attack. Reports indicate the bike is in good condition, in a compound where it is safe. She said people can call her at either her home or at Ron's. Kathy's # (818) 914-0102 Ron's # (626) 309-9470 ^^^ new area code split from 818 I will inform you of any arrangements Kathy has made for funeral, etc. Kathy needs our prayers and full support. Becci _______________________________________________________________ | | | John & Becci Parker STOC #124G 93 ST1100ABS | | Reseda, CA HSTA #6734 RG WeSTOC 96-97 | | e-mail to: bd030@lafn.org AMA #291905 GOIT 97 | | CAM #540278 BIG DOG 97 | |_______________________________________________________________| --------------18E21EB62725-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 02:32:16 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: Re: PC800: OK, OK, I took your advice. Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 22:23:44 -0400 Jim, Congrats to you and your wife. I am one of the smart asses that said "get her a bike". Vince ---------- > a couple of responses along the lines of, "who would want to ride there > anyway... get her her own bike!". Well, last night we did just that! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: LRaeMiller@aol.com by emout24.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA29050; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 22:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 22:51:25 -0400 (EDT) To: ahclem@mindspring.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Needing moral support from other PC'ers In a message dated 97-09-02 08:18:50 EDT, you write: << Any warm fuzzy words of encouragement for a fledgling PC owner? >> I am 5'3 and while I did put in my years on a smaller bike - I think that if you take it easy you will become very comfortable on the PC. The slow speed riding is the hardest part of all, and except for stopping and cornering is not going to be the majority of your riding. My husband led me through our neighborhood, choosing the cross streets with the stop signs at every corner. He watched for traffic while I concentrated on putting my foot down at the right time and making sure I was in first gear for starting out again. When he was comfortable that I could handle the stops well enough, we ventured farther out. I've now done some distance touring (about 7,000 miles this summer) Also a friend suggested that I stay on roads I knew until I could ride without having to concentrate on riding. It does help to not have to watch for road signs. Mostly - just don't push yourself, do only what you feel up to and pretty soon that will be everything!! Enjoy! I also wondered - how did your bike end up teal? Did someone have it color-matched to a companion bike or just paint it for fun? That would be cool to have one in a different color than stock! Lynda 89 PC 35.7K -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, Francois Saint Laurent Subject: RE: PC800: the purrrfect PC Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:10:38 -0700 Don't think it's been mentioned but I would add: - lighter weight - adjustable handlebars - better weather protection for your feet And I'd second the following - much bigger fuel tank (double would be perfect IMHO) - taller windshield -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'roger@etgn14.webo.dg.com'" , PC800 Mail List Subject: RE: PC800: Iron Butt Fatality Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 23:15:42 -0700 The details are still very sketchy and inconsistent as to what happened. Thus far we just don't have all the facts. Here's what was posted in yesterday's Butt report. -bryceu -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Robert E. Higdon [SMTP:higdon@ironbutt.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 1997 5:17 AM To: higdon@worldnet.att.net Subject: LDRider: Iron Butt Rally: Day 8 Yakima WA 9.2.97 A Piece of Tape The news of Ron Major's death in Arizona struck everyone associated with this rally like a falling tree. The days that led up to this penultimate checkpoint have been long for everyone, rallyist and organizer alike, but nothing like today. This terrible incident remains shrouded in mystery. Bill Muhr of the MotoCentral Forum on the MicroSoft Network told us that radio station KYMA in Yuma was reporting on the circumstances of the accident: "Between midnight and seven Sunday morning, the cyclist hit the guard rail on I-8 about 24 miles east of Yuma. The driver was thrown onto an embankment on the other side of the freeway. But the motorcycle continued along the guard rail for nearly a half-mile before coming to a stop. A Border Patrol helicopter found the man's body. Officials have not yet released his name." To accept this account you must believe that a motorcycle can travel riderless for upwards of 2,500' and bring itself to a gentle stop, resting upright against a guard rail. You have to believe that hitting a guard rail can throw a grown man across two lanes of interstate highway, yet leave no evidence of appreciable damage on the motorcycle. You have to believe things that we cannot, especially since the view taken by investigators to date does not account for the fact that in the photograph we have seen of the motorcycle, the key is not in the ignition. One day, we sincerely hope, what really happened to Ron Major will be fully understood. That day is not here. When we arrived in Yakima, Jan Cutler, co-owner of Reno BMW and a former Iron Butt rallymaster and participant, was already there to help us run the checkpoint. We asked Jan to tell each of the riders arriving today what we had so far learned. It was a difficult and delicate but necessary job. Several riders broke down in tears when told what had occurred. No one could believe it. That someone might be hurt during the rally was almost a given. That someone could be killed, particularly a rider of Ron Major's extraordinary talents, was almost unthinkable. To a non-rider, that may seem to be a childish denial of obvious fact, particularly in a rally of the Iron Butt's extreme nature. But motorcyclists are not fatalistic. If they were, they wouldn't ride a bike. Injury and death happen, but you cannot believe that it is going to happen to you. To harbor such thoughts is to deprive yourself is a microscopic edge that could save your life. You need every positive thought you can muster circulating in you at all times. I have never thought of it as a matter of denial; to me it is simply self-preservation. When disaster does strike, however, it is all the more difficult to absorb. Not only has someone you know been struck down, but you have been shorn at least temporarily of your sincere, albeit deluded, belief in your own invincibility. Twin blows of that kind are devastating. There is no defense to it. You might as well be rendered as naked and helpless as the day you were born. I have often thought that the sorts of people who enter endurance motorcycle events are a subset of humans two orders of magnitude distant from the norm. Motorcyclists constitute just over 1% of the motoring public; long distance riders are perhaps 1% of motorcyclists. In Jonathan Swift's poem he likens this disparity in scale to a flea that sits upon the back of an elephant. That flea has upon its own back a flea of comparably small size. And so it goes, Swift says, ad infinitum. There aren't many people who can do, or would even want to do, the kind of riding required merely to finish the IBR on time, not to mention lengthening their route to obtain bonus points. Such riders tend to stick together. They have something in common that cannot be understood or appreciated by anone who has not walked into the fire and survived. That is why Ron's demise has struck this small band of hard riders with such force. He was not just a biker; he was an Iron Butt rider, and a great one. He won this rally six years ago. He won the 8/48 last year. He designed equipment that could help a rider stay on a bike longer and with greater safety. If you moved in this circle at all, you knew Ron, the man with greater name recognition among the long riders than King Kong. He was that good. At 1900 PDT the riders received the last of the bonus packs. They have 64 hours to get back to Chicago, some 1,970 miles to the east. They won't forget about Ron Major during that last long ride of this event. Warren Harhay, one of the contestants, asked each departing rider if he or she would like to carry a reminder of Ron on the last leg. No one declined. Every bike leaving the checkpoint parking lot tonight had a 2" strip of black tape on the windshield. . ----------------------- Peter Hoogeveen, leading at every checkpoint so far, held onto his lead on the next to last checkpoint today by the slimmest of margins. It wasn't a particularly inspired route, but it was enough to hold off a giant effort by Rick Morrison. The difference between first and second place has been cut to a trivial 60 points out of more than 25,000 total to date. Morrison, cranking out 2,001 miles in 49 hours since southern California, outdid every other rider by almost 200 miles, in the process picking up almost 700 more bonus points than unflappable Bill Kramer, who scored the second highest total for the leg. Mike Stewart, with a second straight big run, climbed to within 700 points of Hoogeveen. Mike Stockton, Dale Wilson, and Tom Loftus are hovering within clear striking range. Eddie James, having run a notably quiet event, lurks not much more back. Harold Brooks and Jerry Clemmons, riding together as if they shared a single carburetor, are tied for 8th place. Mary Sue Johnson, upon whom Ron Major's death hit particularly hard, climbed back into the top ten with a determined ride. Two notable misses on the leg were Ron Ayres and Boyd Young. Ayres was time barred because he pressed himself, went too far afield, and could not return in time. Young's problem was more prosaic, a flat tire, but one that was ripped to the point that four plugs could not repair the damage. They'd each been close to the top, Ayres tantalizingly so. Now they're running just to finish. A rider who never had any chance at all, Marty Jones, turned in his third straight sensational leg. This is a man who missed the first checkpoint with mechanical problems and has now climbed to 42nd place, ahead of thirteen riders who have missed no checkpoints at all. In one of my first posts, I predicted Jones would win the Iron Butt before his career was through. He's showing why I wrote that. And Manny Sameiro climbed out of the negative points pile today, jumping over three riders who never made a checkpoint. For the first time on the rally, he has a positive points score next to his name and stands 75th of 78. We knew you could do it, Manny. It'll be over soon. And safely, we all pray. ----------------------- The Top Twenty in Yakima (200 elapsed hours): Rank Rider Bike Miles Points 1 Hoogeveen, Peter Honda 8,633 25,392 2 Morrison, Rick BMW 8,730 25,332 3 Stewart, Mike Honda 7,863 24,657 4 Stockton, Michael BMW 8,069 24,351 5 Wilson, Dale Honda 7,697 24,320 6 Loftus, Tom Honda 7,676 23,904 7 James, Eddie BMW 7,720 23,843 8 Brooks, Harold Honda 7,554 23,721 8 Clemmons, Jerry Honda 7,524 23,721 10 Johnson, Mary Sue BMW 8,353 23,714 11 Kugler, Heinz BMW 7,398 23,712 12 Smith, Shane Honda 8,557 23,512 13 Kramer, Bill Honda 7,559 23,172 14 Tegeler, Craig BMW 7,237 23,091 15 Johnson, Gary Honda 7,855 22,761 16 Withers, Peter Yamaha 7,373 22,632 17 Keating, Keith BMW 7,568 22,468 18 Ferber, John Triumph 7,510 22,449 19 Franklin, Rand Yamaha 7,610 22,307 20 Crane, Fran Buell 8,393 22,295 Bob Higdon higdon@ironbutt.com http://www.ironbutt.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by pgstumail.pg.cc.md.us (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id IAA05954; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:07:17 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:07:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: ceevee cc: PC800 list Subject: Re: PC800: Hiway On Ramps On Wed, 3 Sep 1997, ceevee wrote: > This ties in with the "moral support" thread. I'm a new rider, too. While > I'm getting more comfortable all the time I still dislike the turtle crawl > when traffic is backed up on the on-ramp. Is there a graceful way to > handle this? About the time I get my feet on the pegs I feel like I need > to take them off again. Paddle walking up the entire ramp is pretty awful, > too. I don't feel like I'm going to fall over or anything, but I sure > would like some suggestions (other than not get on the freeway at rush > hour). > > Thanks > Cleo > Portland OR > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > Cleo, Have you tried using your "friction zone"? It's that point between a fully closed clutch and just as the clutch engages just enuff to keep you moving. This technique takes practice but a combination of use of the friction zone and tapping the rear brake in combination with keeping a good distance from the car in front of you can mean you won't have to put your foot down quite as often. Keep you head up and watch the car in front of you and a couple ahead to be able to tell when to start braking. Ease out the clutch just enuff to keep you slowly rolling and start pulling in the clutch and tapping the rear brake when the car about 3 ahead of you starts applying their brakes, that way you don't have to apply full brake until the car ahead of you actually comes to a stop. Like I said it takes practice but can be used anytime you are in stop and go traffic. Barre' Barre' Bull Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 08:22:05 -0400 To: TedJ101@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "David L. Williamson" Subject: Re: PC800: Riding posture on PC800 Thanks, Ted. I can get some pressure off my wrists by scooting forward a bit in the seat ... but that's not as comfortable for my back. On another line ... the bike I bought has the tall Honda windshield. I look over it two to three inches. It's noisy at the dickens at highway speeds. Also, I'm noticing some peculiar bubble-like streaks on the dash ... like it was sort of melted. Is the windshield possibly responsible? Dave At 06:21 PM 9/1/97 -0400, TedJ101@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 97-08-27 13:44:20 EDT, dlwilliamson@mindspring.com (David >L. Williamson) writes: > ><< I just got a '90 PC800. Sold an '85 Magna 700cc. It seems to me that the > posture on the PC800 has me leaning forward just a bit more so that there is > some weight on the wrists. Maybe by arms are too short? Does anyone else > experience this? Is it a problem after being on the bike a while? >> > >Must be unique to your particular dimensions. I am sitting bolt upright on >the PC. If it weren't for the Rifle shield, it would be too upright at >speed... > >Regards, > <>> >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 08:23:50 -0400 To: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy), TedJ101@aol.com From: "David L. Williamson" Subject: Re: PC800: Riding posture on PC800 Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Richard ... I'm glad I'm not the only one with that problem. Based on other replies, I was beginning to think there was something wrong with my ability to sit on the machine. Dave At 03:47 PM 9/1/97 -0700, Richard A Hardy wrote: >You're not alone, Ted. It's the one gripe I have with the PC, and I know >of no after-market set backs or heli-bars. I've asked on this list a few >times. It's simply a matter of arm length and what you're used to. I >came from a Silver Wing to the PC. If you came from a pure sport bike, >you'd probably think you were sitting too upright. Also, I take a 32" >shirt sleeve, which is 1 to 1 1/2" shorter than average for a 5'9" man. > >Richard Hardy, San Diego >rahardy@juno.com > >On Mon, 1 Sep 1997 18:21:32 -0400 (EDT) TedJ101@aol.com writes: >>In a message dated 97-08-27 13:44:20 EDT, dlwilliamson@mindspring.com >>(David >>L. Williamson) writes: >> >><< I just got a '90 PC800. Sold an '85 Magna 700cc. It seems to me >>that the >> posture on the PC800 has me leaning forward just a bit more so that >>there is >> some weight on the wrists. Maybe by arms are too short? Does anyone >>else >> experience this? Is it a problem after being on the bike a while? >> >> >>Must be unique to your particular dimensions. I am sitting bolt >>upright on >>the PC. If it weren't for the Rifle shield, it would be too upright >>at >>speed... >> >>Regards, >> <>> >>-- >>Visit the PC800 web page at >>To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >>a >>message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >>To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >> > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 07:52:51 +0200 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gerard Diepeveen Subject: PC800: PC bars. Hi guys and gals, I got this message from Chris Bradley, but I never heard of modified handlebars for the PC800 myself. Any answer would be appreciated and can be send to me or to Chris: essexps@ricochet.net Gerard. -------------forwarded message----------------- >From: Chris Bradley >Subject: PC bars. > >Hi Gerard, >My name is Chris Bradley and I ride a 89 Pacific Coast like yourself. I >am trying to find out if anyone has modified the handlebars with ones >that allow a more upright riding position. Helibars makes ones for the >ST1100 but don't know if they fit the PC. Any assistance you can give >would be appreciated. Thanks, Chris. -------------end forwarded message----------------- * Pacific Coast Netherlands * * Gerard Diepeveen * * pcn@dsv.nl * * Webpager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/2149445 * * ------------------------------------------- * * visit the Dutch Pacific Coast website: * * http://www.dsv.nl/~pcn * -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 14:25:31 -0400 To: "Stacy" , From: "David L. Williamson" Subject: Re: PC800: Needing moral support from other PC'ers Cc: "Joe Marshall (work)" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Stacy ... I took the MSF experienced riders course a few months ago. More than half the bikes there were Wings. One of the best Wing rider was a 67 year old woman who stood 5'3". How's that for encouragement? Dave At 08:15 AM 9/2/97 -0400, Stacy wrote: >Last Aug 29 I rode on a motorcycle for the first time (Magna) and while >I loved it, I couldn't see myself riding one. That is, until I went to >the Honda Hoot in June and saw and fell in love with the PC800. I knew >that if I was going to ride, it was going to have to be on that bike >(despite warnings from my partner who said I may want to get something >smaller first). >So, I signed up for the MSF beginner's course and went bike hunting. >The week before the class I found a teal '90 and couldn't help myself, >I bought it. So I took the course and after a very rocky start I >passed, although my instructor said that I should consider buying a >cheap small bike (I'm a small framed 5'4" female who apparently missed >the line for the coordination gene) before trying to ride the PC. > >Well, I'm not inclined to buy another bike, and my partner now has a >Valkyrie, so he's no help, so I've been doing parking lots. I dropped >the bike once, doing a real slow turn without the bike being upright, >as others have talked about here. I'm also having trouble with doing >sharp turns. I forgot to mention I am not a patient woman and now I am >getting frustrated. I'm wondering if I will eveeer be able to handle >my PC, and thinking maybe I am just too damn small to ride it, although >from what others have said here, I've been encouraged to see others my >size who ride. > >Any warm fuzzy words of encouragement for a fledgling PC owner? > >Stacy >Richmond, VA >Teal '90 >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 14:26:47 -0400 To: Joe Neisser , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "David L. Williamson" Subject: Re: PC800: 89 PC800 For Sale Joe ... I have a 25 year old son in Arlington, VA who MIGHT be interested. What do you want for it? Dave At 08:53 AM 9/2/97 -0400, Joe Neisser wrote: >I still ave a 89 PC800 for sale. It has the passenger backrest. 3700 miles. >I live in Baltimore, Maryland. Any interested parties can E-mail me at >mda10@erols.com > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Thu, 4 Sep 1997 13:45:00 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 13:39:39 -0700 From: "Gregg L. DesElms" To: "David L. Williamson" CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Riding posture on PC800 David L. Williamson wrote: > > On another line ... the bike I bought has the tall Honda windshield. I look > over it two to three inches. It's noisy at the dickens at highway speeds. > Also, I'm noticing some peculiar bubble-like streaks on the dash ... like it > was sort of melted. Is the windshield possibly responsible? > > Dave The dashboard melting problem is well-known and well documented in the archives (see, for example, http://www.hpc.uh.edu/pc800/9509/msg00020.html). The tall Honda windshield is not desireable for a number of reasons, dashboard melt only one of them. My advice: Dump it at your earliest convenience. Gregg DesElms deselms@royal.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 11:53:52 -0700 From: "Stephen A. Churchill" To: Honda Sport Touring Association , pc800@hpc.uh.edu CC: cm14221@navix.net, Mikietoo@HoTMail.com Subject: PC800: Tour to Tennessee Well, the votes are cast and the route is planned and the time comes nigh. As some of you may recall I asked for help in planning my route from Oceanside CA to Memphis TN and I received quite a number of very useful responses. I thank you all. There were several duplications which indicated to me the desirability of the route. Cary Swoveland suggested I use the superslab for the boring parts of the route so I could linger at the more spectacular areas. I agree and have planned accordingly. I was not able to cover all the suggested areas but there will be another day for those. Missed: Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, high desert Flagstaff to Albuquerque, and Talimenia. The route is heavily planned but will be subject to changes (probably deletions) for reasons of road conditions, weather, time, health, or anything else for that matter. That is one of the privileges of riding alone. The drawback is that there is no one with which to share it. OTH, since I'll be camping at night and some sites don't have showers that maybe an advantage also. Ok, get out your maps. I will be leaving California on the first day of Autumn, Monday, September 22 and heading east (78 and 22) going first through the Anza-Borrego Desert to the Salton Sea then north through Johsua Tree National Park and east (62) to the Colorado River. Then it's north (95, I40, 93,) to Las Vegas and northeast (I15) to Utah. The route now starts getting very serpentine both in terms of the roads and the overall route. Through Zion National Park (9), to Dixie National Forest (89), to Bryce Canyon (12), to Captiol Reef National Park (24), to Glen Canyon (95), to Blanding and up to Moab (191). From there I'll sidle around Arches National Park (121) and leave Utah on I70 to Grand Junction. Head south again on "Uranium Road" (141, 145) that was described in "Rider" magazine last month. Stay on 145 southwest into Cortez then east to Durango(160) and north again through Silverton, Telluride, Montrose, and Delta(550). Northeast through Gunnison National Forest(92, 133) and then east through Aspen and over Independence Pass at over 12k feet (82). Head north again to Rocky Mountain National Park (24, 91, I70, 40, 34) and continue on 34 straight east until it connects with I76. From there it's due east on I76 superslab through the rest of Colorado (yes, there is flat in Colorado!) and over most of Nebraska. I'll get off near York and take the county roads to Exeter to see my brother and maybe stay a day before continuing. Leaving there it's county and state roads (6, 33, 77, 136) to the Missouri border and I29 south. Just below Kansas City I'll move to the state roads and into the Ozarks (7,13,)and Springfield. Then through Country Western mecca(read "tourist trap"), Branson (65) and into Arkansas. South through Buffalo National River into the Boston Mountains National Forest (7) and east through the hills on county roads (16) to Searcy. Finally the last push in the Missippi River basin into Memphis (67,64) and I'm there. I realize this has been wordy and hard to follow without a map and for that I apologize, but my intentions are to provide a specific route for those who might be interested in joining me along the way for parts that may be near them. If you have interest in joining me please let me know by private e-mail (including a phone number) before 8 September so I can connect with you by phone before and along the route. After September 8 my computer will be packed and this address will be silent (though my ISP tells me that the address will still receive mail until the 22nd because I'm paid up). I again thank all of you who offered suggestions and I hope to see some of you on the route! Steve Churchill "Katie" '96 PC 800 5000 miles and counting -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MVerVelde@aol.com by emout02.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA18213; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 20:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 20:38:24 -0400 (EDT) To: jrandall@tricon.net cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: OK, OK, I took your advice. After Jim tells us about his wife's exciting venture back into the saddle... I'm afraid to let my wife take the PC out for a spin- she used to have a license, and is planning to get one again, go thru MSF... I'm afraid she will be asking me for the keys like a teenager asks for the car keys- until she can get her own! Yeah- it's great when your spouse also loves it! Mike Ver Velde 90 Red (the bug free edition!) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:41:23 -0700 To: PC800 List Server From: Guy & Sonya Subject: PC800: clutch ? A Honda service rep. rode my '89 today and said I have a slipping clutch problem. I knew it was a bit goofy but since I've not ridden another PC to compare it to I didn't know how bad it was. Question - is there an average mileage where clutchs need replacing (I'm at 46.5K miles)? Or is it simply a function of how the owner(s) rode the bike before me? Any thoughts? -Guy Chinn (Fremont, CA) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jfmoemd@aol.com by emout28.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA18130 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 21:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 21:32:19 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: Damaged Helmet Evaluation Hi Gang! I checked with Shoei for instructions and wound up sending my helmet (RF200) to them for examination after my wreck. I thought you would like to know that they evaluated the helmet (and found it to be OK) and then shipped it back to me via UPS. The only charge I incurred was my cost in shipping it to them. That is a really nice service, don't you agree? John -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/970902) via SMTP id VAA12243 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 21:49:10 -0400 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: FW: PC800: Jeff Hopkins Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 21:08:22 -0400 Note former list member Jeff Hopkin's comments on the repo sale in Dallas. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jeff Hopkins [SMTP:hopkinsj@telepath.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 1997 11:12 PM To: Jim Randall Subject: Re: PC800: Jeff Hopkins Jim Randall wrote: > I doubt that Jeff is still monitoring the PC800 listserver. I believe > he's > slid into the decadence of Harley-land. However, his email address > used to be hopkinsj@telepath.com. Jeff, if you're out there, I'm still > loving the PC I bought from you. It now about 11.5K miles... that > works > out to nearly 7K in 10 weeks! Had to put on a new set of rubber last > week. > > Jim Randall > jrandall@tricon.net Jim, Good to hear from you. Yes, I'm enjoying Harleyland. I put 10,000 miles on the 'ole FLT in 87 days. This included one 2200 mile trip to Colorado. I've changed a couple of light bulbs, a muffler clamp, and throttle cable. Not bad for a bike that old. Good to hear you are riding and enjoying the PC800. Tell the group that there will be a repo sale in Dallas the 12th and 13th that has either 2 or 3 PC800's in the sale. Maybe I'll get over in your neck of the woods one of these days. Take care. Jeff > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andre Espaillat [SMTP:moto@flash.net] > Sent: Friday, August 22, 1997 7:33 AM > To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: Jeff Hopkins > > Jeff Hopkins, > > Lost your email address. Please contact me direct about your stator. > > ******************************************************** > Andre Espaillat - 1996 WERA Southcentral Regional Champ - Clubman > Novice > Out & Out Racing > 1510 Randolph St., Suite 103 > Carrollton, Texas 75006 > (972) 323-7924 > http://www.flash.net/~outrace > outrace@flash.net > ******************************************************** > Your mind is the most important part of your motorcycle! > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of > a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/970902) via SMTP id VAA12248 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 21:49:14 -0400 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: FW: PC800: Hiway On Ramps Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 21:31:58 -0400 The same "problem" exist for drivers of manual transmission cars... they just don't tend to fall over when not moving. Wheather driving my Honda car (5 speed) or my Honda motorcycle, I refuse to be rushed by traffic behind me. I usually let the distance between me and the vehicle ahead stretch several car lengths before moving and closing the space. When I do move I just ease out the clutch and drive as slowly as possible whereever the vehicle in front has stopped. Why try to stay on directly behind the car in front of you; it won't get you to the merge lane any faster and just causes wear on tear on your clutch linings and nerves. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Barre Bull [SMTP:bb1@pgstumail.pg.cc.md.us] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 1997 8:07 AM To: ceevee Cc: PC800 list Subject: Re: PC800: Hiway On Ramps On Wed, 3 Sep 1997, ceevee wrote: > This ties in with the "moral support" thread. I'm a new rider, too. While > I'm getting more comfortable all the time I still dislike the turtle crawl > when traffic is backed up on the on-ramp. Is there a graceful way to > handle this? About the time I get my feet on the pegs I feel like I need > to take them off again. Paddle walking up the entire ramp is pretty awful, > too. I don't feel like I'm going to fall over or anything, but I sure > would like some suggestions (other than not get on the freeway at rush > hour). > > Thanks > Cleo > Portland OR > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > Cleo, Have you tried using your "friction zone"? It's that point between a fully closed clutch and just as the clutch engages just enuff to keep you moving. This technique takes practice but a combination of use of the friction zone and tapping the rear brake in combination with keeping a good distance from the car in front of you can mean you won't have to put your foot down quite as often. Keep you head up and watch the car in front of you and a couple ahead to be able to tell when to start braking. Ease out the clutch just enuff to keep you slowly rolling and start pulling in the clutch and tapping the rear brake when the car about 3 ahead of you starts applying their brakes, that way you don't have to apply full brake until the car ahead of you actually comes to a stop. Like I said it takes practice but can be used anytime you are in stop and go traffic. Barre' Barre' Bull Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 18:53:45 -0700 From: Eric Matthews To: Jfmoemd@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Damaged Helmet Evaluation Hi John, That's a great service. I also have a helmet that sustained minor damage in a recent accident. Who did you contact at Shoei? Eric Jfmoemd@aol.com wrote: > Hi Gang! > > I checked with Shoei for instructions and wound up sending my helmet (RF200) > to them for examination after my wreck. I thought you would like to know > that they evaluated the helmet (and found it to be OK) and then shipped it > back to me via UPS. > > The only charge I incurred was my cost in shipping it to them. > > That is a really nice service, don't you agree? > > John > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Joe Marshall" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: Thanks for the support Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 21:58:18 -0400 Just wanted to say thanks for all the moral support and advice. My boyfriend and I rode tonight - I followed him around the neighborhood. No major problems - a heck of a lot more interesting than the park-n-ride lot. Even got a compliment on my bike. Speaking of, yes, my bike is teal, actually more green than teal. A custom job, in slight need of touch-up around the edges, but I think I'll wait awhile. Now, if I could just get an owner's manual I'd be thrilled (both local Honda dealers say that Honda is changing publishers and it could be awhile....) Again, thanks for the help. I'm really enjoying this listserv, and it's amusing that I'm getting all the email now!! Stacy '90 Teal Richmond, VA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Thu, 4 Sep 1997 21:38:44 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Jim Randall , "'PC800 List'" From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Re: FW: PC800: Hiway On Ramps Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 21:38:44 +0000 At 09:31 PM 09/04/97 -0400, Jim Randall wrote: >The same "problem" exist for drivers of manual transmission cars... they >just don't tend to fall over when not moving. Wheather driving my Honda >car (5 speed) or my Honda motorcycle, I refuse to be rushed by traffic behind >me. I usually let the distance between me and the vehicle ahead stretch several >car lengths before moving and closing the space. When I do move I just ease >out the clutch and drive as slowly as possible whereever the vehicle in front >has stopped. Why try to stay on directly behind the car in front of you; it won't >get you to the merge lane any faster and just causes wear on tear on your >clutch linings and nerves. > >Jim Randall >jrandall@tricon.net > I agree with this method completely. That's basically how I do it. Stay far back. Get a good pace so when the cars in front of you stop, by the time you've nearly caught up with them, they start moving again and pull away. Sometimes makes the drivers behind a little nuts -- that is, 'til they notice you're setting a pace that let's them keep moving, no matter what. Gregg DesElms deselms@royal.net -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Computer & Telecommunications Consultant | Author | Activist =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ______ ______ _ | _ \ | ___| | Gregg DesElms | | \ | ___ ____| |_ | |_ __ __ ____ deselms@royal.net | | | |/ _ \| __| _| | | '_ | _ \| __| deselms@mailhost.net | |_ / | __/|__ | |___| | | | | | |__ | 1-800-224-2046 |______ / \___||____|______|_|_| |_| |_|____| (in USA and Canada) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Always take the high road. There's less traffic." =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Claude Hill" To: "PC800 List" Subject: PC800: Help with unsubscribe Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 21:37:03 -0500 Please send instructions for unsubscribing. I lost the ones I had with my email archives when I changed mail applications. Thanks, Claude Hill Email perfcomp@isdn.net The Sobe GhoST STOC#068 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: Needing moral support from other PC'ers Date: Thu, 4 Sep 97 22:10:41 -0500 From: "Paul B. Atkins" To: , "pc 800 list" >Subject: Re: PC800: Needing moral support from other PC'ers >Sent: 9/4/97 1:28 PM >From: dlwilliamson@mindspring.com >To: Patkins > > >Stacy ... >I took the MSF experienced riders course a few months ago. More than half >the bikes there were Wings. One of the best Wing rider was a 67 year old >woman who stood 5'3". >How's that for encouragement? > Dave Dave, I took the beginner MSF course this summer after a 20 year hiatus from riding. Since then, I bought a '78 CB 250 and have put about 3000 miles on it. I've wondered what the experienced course is like? What does it cover. I"ve been reading the pc list since I am interested in the bike and it may be my next "used' bike! Paul -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: myleslewis@juno.com by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id BtE21022; Fri, 05 Sep 1997 01:44:17 EDT To: bmwmc@world.std.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: bmwrs1@aol.com Subject: PC800: regards from Elko Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 01:44:17 EDT Hello all. Well, here I am in Elko having an interesting time. Great little town. Got to be the friendliest place I've ever been. I may have found a bike to borrow. I'll know for sure this weekend. It's a Suzuki 1400 Intruder. Should be a nice ride. Not perfect, but nice anyway. I went to Lake Tahoe this past weekend and really enjoyed the trip. I camped at Lake Washoe State Park outside Carson City and drove around Reno/Sparks/Tahoe. Went all the way around the lake, stopped in a bunch of places and did the tourist thing. Drove back to Elko by way of US Hwy 50. It is definitely the lonliest road I've ever seen. Toured Virginia City, Silver City, and a few scenic vistas along the way. Wish I'd been on a bike. Life is a bit boring but I'm considering it a paid vacation out here. Nice small hospital, not very busy by what I'm used to. I've got the laptop going for email but haven't gotten to be truly online in the Net yet. Still working out the bugs. I get connected but don't manage to be able to get anything to completely load. Next step is to call NetCom tech support and see if they have any suggestions. Anyway, I plan on some more tourist trips either in the rental cage or the bike if I get to use it for more than a day at a time. I've even got hiking boots, bike, and a new hiking staff coming. Can't wait to get out and do some real hiking and not just strolling in sneakers in the woods. More later, Please let me know of any coming events that I may be able to get out to. Ride safe, Myles Lewis of Bradenton, FL, unfortunately without a bike at the moment, currently in Elko, Nevada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 23:05:38 -0700 From: PILEWIS1 To: myleslewis@juno.com CC: bmwmc@world.std.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, bmwrs1@aol.com Subject: Re: PC800: regards from Elko myleslewis@juno.com wrote: > > Hello all. > Well, here I am in Elko having an interesting time. Great little > town. Got to be the friendliest place I've ever been. I may have found a > bike to borrow. I'll know for sure this weekend. It's a Suzuki 1400 > Intruder. Should be a nice ride. Not perfect, but nice anyway. > I went to Lake Tahoe this past weekend and really enjoyed the > trip. I camped at Lake Washoe State Park outside Carson City and drove > around Reno/Sparks/Tahoe. Went all the way around the lake, stopped in a > bunch of places and did the tourist thing. Drove back to Elko by way of > US Hwy 50. It is definitely the lonliest road I've ever seen. Toured > Virginia City, Silver City, and a few scenic vistas along the way. Wish > I'd been on a bike. > Life is a bit boring but I'm considering it a paid vacation out > here. Nice small hospital, not very busy by what I'm used to. I've got > the laptop going for email but haven't gotten to be truly online in the > Net yet. Still working out the bugs. I get connected but don't manage to > be able to get anything to completely load. Next step is to call NetCom > tech support and see if they have any suggestions. > Anyway, I plan on some more tourist trips either in the rental > cage or the bike if I get to use it for more than a day at a time. I've > even got hiking boots, bike, and a new hiking staff coming. Can't wait to > get out and do some real hiking and not just strolling in sneakers in the > woods. More later, Please let me know of any coming events that I may be > able to get out to. Ride safe, > > Myles Lewis of Bradenton, FL, unfortunately without a bike at the moment, > currently in Elko, Nevada Seems like I spent a month in ELKO one day!!! :) Just kidding!!! There's really some nice scenery out that way. I hope you can get a nice bike soon so that you can enjoy the area a little more! Take care, Phil -- ******************** * * * Phil Lewis * * So-Cal * * '90 PC * * "Delta Red" * * Enjoying The Ride! * * * ******************** -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id CbT05416; Fri, 05 Sep 1997 02:50:55 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 20:35:10 -0700 Subject: Re: PC800: Needing moral support from other PC'ers From: timmacy@juno.com (Timothy B Macy) On Wed, 03 Sep 1997 18:01:09 EDT rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) writes: >There was an excellent discussion of left and right brain riding this month in some >mag. Wasn't it MCN? > >Males are more left brain oriented than females & vice versa. 10% are reversed. > >One learns to ride (learns motor skills) in his/her left brain and then transfers the >behavior to the right brain. When that occurs you find yourself daydreaming while >riding and you may have no conscious memory of passing under I-22, for instance. Kudos to Rocky! He did a masterful job of writing up a complicated concept in a readable fashion. That's why...after all these years...I still practice evasive maneuvers and "quick stops" any chance I get when I'm on a deserted road and I'm in no particular hurry to get anywhere. I think I mentioned in a post earlier this year about the huge tree branch in the middle of the Tollway outside Chicago. Reflexes took over and we barely got around it in a perfectly executed (if I do say so myself..) evasive maneuver at speed. If I had thought about what I was going to do for even a second...it would have been too late. Good post, Rocky. Tim Portland, OR '94 PC800--60,560 Miles of Smiles "I love California, I practically grew up in Phoenix." - Vice President Dan Quayle -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 06:50:38 -0400 To: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux), ramin@tibco.com From: "David L. Williamson" Subject: Re: PC800: Needing moral support from other PC'ers Cc: TedJ101@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 06:01 PM 9/3/97 EDT, Rocky E Rocheux wrote: >There was an excellent discussion of left and right brain riding this >month in some mag. Wasn't it MCN? Yes, it was MCN. >I spoke with a left brain creative man today and I know that because his >right eyebrow did all the moving up and down as he spoke--the right side >of the body is controlled by the left side of the brain). Not quite accurate. The muscles controlling the eyebrows are innervated by the 5th cranial nerve. The cranial nerves do not cross over, so the right cranial nerve controls the right eyebrow. Also the right/left crossover is not straight forward for sensory nerves or autonomic nerves (ie, the left kidney is not controlled by the right side of the brain). >Read "Inner Skiing" I say. A good idea for anyone. Dave in Durham, NC >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 06:57:10 -0400 To: deselms@royal.net From: "David L. Williamson" Subject: Re: PC800: Riding posture on PC800 Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Thanks, Greg. I will do just exactly that! Dave At 01:39 PM 9/4/97 -0700, Gregg L. DesElms wrote: > >The dashboard melting problem is well-known and well documented in the >archives (see, for example, >http://www.hpc.uh.edu/pc800/9509/msg00020.html). The tall Honda >windshield is not desireable for a number of reasons, dashboard melt >only one of them. My advice: Dump it at your earliest convenience. > >Gregg DesElms >deselms@royal.net > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 07:12:20 -0400 To: "Paul B. Atkins" , "pc 800 list" From: "David L. Williamson" Subject: Re: PC800: Needing moral support from other PC'ers Paul, The experienced riders course is basically a rehash of the beginner's course ... excepts that it's only one weekend. Friday evening in the class room, Sat. on the riding range ... on your own bike. Costs less, too. Drills focus on control and emergency maneuvers. Not too much new material, but the session allows riders to share experiences ... how to recognize hazards (e.g., the plastic lines ... used now instead of paint .. and arrows on the road are raised about 1/4" and can become an edge trap). More than anything else, it forces you to review and practice the basics. We all can get a bit sloppy after a year or so. For example, they really pushed me to really turn my head and look where I'm going when committing to a turn ... forced me to get in the habit of making sure the turn is safe and planning my line of attack BEFORE committing to it ... and then look to where I'm going instead of looking immediately in front of the bike. I learned that in the beginner's course, but hadn't made it a firm habit. My turns are not more controlled and confident. It's well worth doing once a year. Dave At 10:10 PM 9/4/97 -0500, Paul B. Atkins wrote: >>Subject: Re: PC800: Needing moral support from other PC'ers >>Sent: 9/4/97 1:28 PM >>From: dlwilliamson@mindspring.com >>To: Patkins >> >> >>Stacy ... >>I took the MSF experienced riders course a few months ago. More than half >>the bikes there were Wings. One of the best Wing rider was a 67 year old >>woman who stood 5'3". >>How's that for encouragement? >> Dave >Dave, >I took the beginner MSF course this summer after a 20 year hiatus from >riding. Since then, I bought a '78 CB 250 and have put about 3000 miles >on it. I've wondered what the experienced course is like? What does it >cover. >I"ve been reading the pc list since I am interested in the bike and it >may be my next "used' bike! >Paul > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id IWG09871; Fri, 05 Sep 1997 08:05:06 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 07:00:12 -0500 Subject: PC800: clutch ? From: mike.larson@juno.com (Mike Larson) >>A Honda service rep. rode my '89 today and said I have a slipping clutch >>problem. Question - is there an average mileage where clutchs need replacing >>(I'm at 46.5K miles)? Or is it simply a function of how the owner(s) rode the bike >>before me? Any thoughts? Guy, I was visiting with Ray Nielson, who used to be a member of this list, last night. He told me he recently changed the clutch on a PC with 80K miles and it was still within spec. The cause of the slippage was sacked clutch springs. You may want to check the springs before replacing the entire unit. Mike mike.larson@juno.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: PC800: S.F. Bay Area Get-together To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (_PC800) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 10:52:19 -0700 (PDT) From: redwolf@tailwind.com (Mike Bavister) Hello fellow Bay Area PC800 riders, We now have a largish group of PC enthusiasts in the Bay Area. I'd like to propose that we all meet for dinner or a group ride in the near future; and I'm volunteering to coordinate this gathering. So, whether you're a long-time PC800 owner or still lusting; frequent poster or lurker; S.F. Bay Area resident or willing to ride/drive in, let's all get together. Email me with your preference for Ride, Dinner or Both. Please also let me know which days/times you are free. I'll compile the results and mail them to everyone who responds (to keep the planning stuff off the list). Once we've got a firm date/time/event I'll announce it to the list. Thanks, Mike. (1990 PC800) -- Mike D. Bavister RBTF Newsletter Editor & Breed Rescue Co-chair redwolf@tailwind.com Canine Search & Rescue Newbie mdbavister@ucdavis.edu Dog Agility Newbie (1 leg in AKC Novice A) Snowflower Diamond Rio -- "my partner in crime" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id OoT27164; Fri, 05 Sep 1997 14:58:52 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 11:54:43 -0700 Subject: Re: PC800: OK, OK, I took your advice. From: timmacy@juno.com (Timothy B Macy) On Thu, 4 Sep 1997 20:38:24 -0400 (EDT) MVerVelde@aol.com writes: >After Jim tells us about his wife's exciting venture back into the saddle...I'm afraid to >let my wife take the PC out for a spin- she used to have a license, and is planning to >get one again, go thru MSF... I'm afraid she will be asking me for the keys like a >teenager asks for the car keys- until she can get her own! Yeah- it's great when your >spouse also loves it! Well, let's see...you could set up the same system that my dad had when I started driving: 1. Check the mileage before the PC goes out of the driveway (my dad could never understand how I could put on 50 miles going to the library). 2. Insist that gas used is gas replaced. My parents hated it when they wouldn't have enough gas in the car to go to church on a Sunday AM when I'd used the car the night before. 3. The use of the bike is a right, not a privilege. No more riding if the neighbors report that your wife is riding too fast in the neighborhood or is sliding corners. 4. NO drag racing! 5. No showing off with her friends on the back. And if she doesn't comply with any of the rules, take away the keys and send her to her room... Tim Portland, OR '94 PC800--60,560 Miles of Smiles "I love California, I practically grew up in Phoenix." - Vice President Dan Quayle -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 12:11:39 -0700 From: PILEWIS1 To: PC800 GROUP Subject: PC800: SCPCRC Photo-Site Hi All! This is really just for the SCPCRCers, but, just in case anybody else wanted to see who we really are! :) I've just updated http://www.concentric.net/~Pilewis1/pcphotos/PCRPHOTO.HTM with a composite picture of us all (at least all the current photos that I have) and I've linked the photo to large size pictures of us by our bikes. Now "we can run, but we can't hide!" (Didn't somebody famous say that?) Take care, Phil -- ******************** * * * Phil Lewis * * So-Cal * * '90 PC * * "Delta Red" * * Enjoying The Ride! * * * ******************** -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 19:27:58 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: "PC800 GROUP" Subject: Re: PC800: SCPCRC Photo-Site Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:18:12 -0400 Great picture. Nice to put faces on names but you had better slow that PC down. You will be getting a ticket. Vince -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com by emout01.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id TAA00594; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 19:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 19:18:16 -0400 (EDT) To: rocheux@juno.com, FMisumi@sedgwickre.brkr.com cc: schrchll@inetworld.net, crazyapple@ibm.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: FAQ's and new WWW Page.... In a message dated 97-09-01 09:05:32 EDT, rocheux@juno.com writes: << I thought a hacker was one who unauthorizedly hacked his way into restricted computer sites. Let's clarify that one. Puhleeze. >> That's a "new" meaning popularized by the non-computer literate press. A hacker is a person (usually a programmer) who learns how to do all sorts of things on a given computer that may or may not have been contemplated by the computer's designer. It is a term of respect for someone (who often has little formal education) who has the ability and curiosity to excel in the field. While certain people have used this sort of knowledge in a counterproductive way, they are very much in the minority. Press coverage has made them appear to be the mainstream of computer hacking. Regards, <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com by emout29.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id TAA01624; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 19:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 19:20:56 -0400 (EDT) To: rocheux@juno.com, FMisumi@sedgwickre.brkr.com cc: vsantamaria@worldnet.att.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: PC mpg In a message dated 97-09-01 09:05:01 EDT, rocheux@juno.com writes: << Tuning a PC to high test...wouldn't it be the timing adjustment? I have not checked it out but you put the gas in the tank you like (with a car) and then set the timing so that it barely pings on lugging it. This gives max power and max mileage. How would that work on the PC? On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:25:32 -0700 "Misumi, Fred" >> The need for high test fuel is a result of higher compression ratio. Raising the compression ratio falls under the rubric of engine modifications not tuning. Diddling with the timing isn't going to make a hoots worth of difference on a PC... Regards, <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/970903) via SMTP id UAA08325 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 20:58:36 -0400 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: PC800: communicators Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 20:54:15 -0400 Having studied the review of bike-to-bike communicators in the September issue of "Rider", I think I going to buy the NADY PRC-9 set. Why? - best VOX of the bunch - also an intercom for two-up riding - unobtrusive form factor - it will work with the mics and speakers already installed in our helmets - low cost ($210 for the pair from Chapparal) Of course the downside is the limited power of 49Mhz transcievers. Since I expect Nancy and I will stick pretty closely together, the 1/4 mile range should be OK. Does anyone have any experience with these units? Any other opinions? Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id WHA00198; Fri, 05 Sep 1997 22:31:48 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: timmacy@juno.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: OK, OK, I took your advice. From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky Rocheux) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 22:31:48 EDT Think about it twice B4U let an unlicensend driver operate a bike or any vehicle. In case of accident the ins. co. will deny coverage. Driver gets a ticket for operating a motor vehicle with no license and the licensed operator can be cited for permitting an unlicensed driver to operate a motor vehicle. We waited until Carolyn got her endorsement. I think it rates a higher priority than waiting to have sex until after marriage. If they hit a kid how would you like to have your ins. co. tell you, "sorry, take it out of your bank acct.? You needed this today did you not? On Fri, 5 Sep 1997 11:54:43 -0700 timmacy@juno.com (Timothy B Macy) writes: >On Thu, 4 Sep 1997 20:38:24 -0400 (EDT) MVerVelde@aol.com writes: >>After Jim tells us about his wife's exciting venture back into the >saddle...I'm afraid to >let my wife take the PC out for a spin- she >used to have a license, and is planning to >get one again, go thru >MSF... I'm afraid she will be asking me for the keys like a >teenager >asks for the car keys- until she can get her own! Yeah- it's great >when your >spouse also loves it! > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id WGT00198; Fri, 05 Sep 1997 22:31:48 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: patkins@mari.net Cc: dlwilliamson@mindspring.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Needing moral support from other PC'ers From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky Rocheux) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 22:31:48 EDT How on God's green earth did she ride that thing? I am 5'2" and have a 27 or so inseam anbd no way I could ride it. She must have been "all legs" as they say. On Thu, 4 Sep 97 22:10:41 -0500 "Paul B. Atkins" writes: >>> >>Stacy ... >>I took the MSF experienced riders course a few months ago. More than >half >>the bikes there were Wings. One of the best Wing rider was a 67 year >old >>woman who stood 5'3". >>How's that for encouragement? >> Dave >Dave, -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id WGR00198; Fri, 05 Sep 1997 22:31:47 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: ahclem@mindspring.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Stacy needs manual. From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky Rocheux) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 22:31:47 EDT I agree you need an owner's manual it could be dangerous without one.. If the dealers were decent they would photocopy it for you from one of the bikes on the floor. I have a very slow copier and it would take me a long time to photocopy it. I think you should have the manual. Any of you other Knights in Shining Armor out there who'd photocopy the owner's manual and mail it to Stacy? Stacy if you get up this way (you and your boyfriend take a ride??(Fairfax VA)) you are welcome to come use my manual and my photocopier if no one else can help. On Thu, 4 Sep 1997 21:58:18 -0400 "Joe Marshall" writes: >Just wanted to say thanks for all the moral support and advice. My >boyfriend and I rode tonight - I followed him around the neighborhood. > >No major problems - a heck of a lot more interesting than the >park-n-ride lot. Even got a compliment on my bike. >>Now, if I could just get an owner's manual I'd be thrilled (both local >Honda dealers say that Honda is changing publishers and it could be >awhile....) > >Again, thanks for the help. I'm really enjoying this listserv, and >it's amusing that I'm getting all the email now!! > >Stacy >'90 Teal >Richmond, VA >-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 21:45:44 -0700 From: Phil Lewis To: Rusty Jackson CC: "'PC 800 Mailing List'" Subject: Re: PC800: PC for sale. Hi Rusty! I'm really sorry to hear that you have to sell, but I know we all understand. I wish I could afford to buy it myself. Then I could experiment with letting people from out-of-town come here for a local tour of Southern Califonia. It's in great shape and I'm sure you'll be able to sell it soon. I hope you don't mind if some of us drop by from time to time. (You might just see a dozen PC's in your driveway someday!!) :) Take care, Phil -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 23:58:13 -0700 From: Eric Matthews To: Jim Randall CC: "'PC800 List'" Subject: Re: PC800: communicators Jim, I recommend against the Nady units. The Nady's I had were junk, but even worse was Nady's "customer service". They were unable to fix my defective units, and kept them for two months each time I sent them in for repairs. Eric Jim Randall wrote: > Having studied the review of bike-to-bike communicators in the September > issue of "Rider", I think I going to buy the NADY PRC-9 set. Why? > > - best VOX of the bunch > - also an intercom for two-up riding > - unobtrusive form factor > - it will work with the mics and speakers already installed in our helmets > - low cost ($210 for the pair from Chapparal) > > Of course the downside is the limited power of 49Mhz transcievers. Since > I expect Nancy and I will stick pretty closely together, the 1/4 mile range > should be OK. > > Does anyone have any experience with these units? Any other opinions? > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id GGD19786; Sat, 06 Sep 1997 06:57:31 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: ericeric@concentric.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: communicators From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 06:57:31 EDT Eric, tnx 4 your timely advice. I will use the trick of changing Nady to Nada in my mind to remember this. Nada in Spanish means "nothing." Hey, I would like to get bike to bike communicators for myself and Carolyn (reflexive pronoun ok here). Does anyone know of a CB unit as the Gold Wingers use that would work with those little helmet spkrs and mikes etc etc? Thanks for your response. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jfmoemd@aol.com by emout03.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA01665; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 10:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 10:54:08 -0400 (EDT) To: ericeric@concentric.net cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Damaged Helmet Evaluation Eric, You simply send your helmet to Shoei, to the Inspection Department. They like you to include a short note telling what happened to the helmet. Also it is a good idea to put a tag on your helmet with your name, address, etc. That's about it. Note: They do NOT clean up the helmet nor paint it - it will just be inspected and returned to you. Turnaround time is about 10 days after they get it. Shoei is in Yorba Linda CA and you can get the phone number from information. When you call there are menu choices and one of these gives you all the instructions. Regards, John -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jfmoemd@aol.com by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA09920; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 11:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 11:16:29 -0400 (EDT) To: ahclem@mindspring.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Thanks for the support Yeah Stacy! I'd like to get an owners manual too but it has been on back order for 6 weeks. I wonder what happened to the ones that came with our bikes? John -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: FAQ's and new WWW Page.... From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 06 Sep 1997 14:01:20 -0500 Lines: 48 I'm still not caught up with work ad the 14000 email messages I received while on vacation, but I feel I need to respond. >>>>> "GLD" == Gregg L DesElms writes: GLD> I agree, but I'd like to make a suggestion: We really don't have an GLD> ".org"anization to warrant the use of the ".org" domain. That's not what .org is for. Look at browser.org; there's no organization at all there, just an umbrella for registering subdomains. GLD> And we're certainly not a company, so the ".com" domain is also GLD> inappropriate for us. Where did you ever get the idea that you had to have a company to get a .com address? GLD> We're more of a network of similarly-interested folks. And that is GLD> what precisely the founders of the Internet had in mind for the ".net" GLD> domain (among other uses). Umm, no. .net is for service providers. (uu.net, capnet.net, etc). By that reasoning, we should join NATO in the .int TLD because we have subscribers in many countries. GLD> Therefore, one of the things I'd like to see everyone on this list do GLD> is start changing their thinking regarding the URL from "pc800.org" to GLD> "pc800.net" if it's okay with everybody. It wouldn't really be OK with the InterNic. GLD> And Internic, I think, would almost certainly not prohibit us from GLD> using pretty much whichever one of them we wanted. They don't feel strongly, but that's not what .net is for. I've been convinced that .com is the appropriate place. [snip] GLD> What d'ya all think? Too damn much organization. All that's required is a domain registration (which I'm still working on, BTW) and a few meg of disk space (which I already have). If course, anyone with DNS rights for a SLD who can resolve for us can do this, too; I'd be more than happy if someone else wanted to this. - J< -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m17.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id QnX14189; Sat, 06 Sep 1997 16:10:14 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 16:09:30 -0400 Subject: PC800: Honda Windshields--Which is which? From: rider.stan@juno.com (Stan Brady) Greetings everyone-- Recent discussion about windshields aroused a nagging question that never has been resolved in my mind since acquiring "Miss Ruby" last year. Which of the Honda windshields do I have? The guy from whom I bought the bike was about 6'1" or 6'2" so I'm thinking now that he might have opted for the taller one. At the time of purchase I didn't know enough about the bike to know that there was a taller-than-stock version available, thus I didn't ask. Now he has moved so is unavailable for the answer. I had not tuned in to you folks yet either, of course. I'm 5'9" with a 30" inseam and I'm looking about 2" over the top with my normal relaxed posture. I get some buffeting at helmet level but I never have thought it terribly objectionable. I reasoned that it would be a simple matter to call my local Honda dealer, give them the number from the bottom of the windshield, and get the answer. Not so. The number is the manufacturer's not Honda's, says the parts guy. "Any other way to tell, like a measurement or something?", says I. "No, you'll just have to bring it in and we can tell by looking at", he responds. Well, I thought to myself that I have a far easier way, and that is to tap into the vast resource base that is this list. I know that you won't let me down! By the way, so as to avoid getting flamed I say hastily that I have already gone to the archives. Many references to the Honda windshields but none that I found that answer my question. The above-mentioned number from the bottom is AS6 M1101. Help. Thanks. Stan B. astride "Miss Ruby" '90 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail.wa.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11199) with SMTP Sat, 6 Sep 1997 14:06:25 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Robert Gohl" To: "PC800 Group" Subject: PC800: PC800 Manual Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 14:21:07 -0700 Bummer deal guys and gals that The Manuals not available. Id be willing to scan my manual and e-mail it to anyone asking for it. As for the Knight in shining armor bit how about a Guy(Smiles of coarse) = on a Pearl White Stallion (89 PC800) coming to the rescue? :) Let me know so I can start scanning.=20 Robert Gohl rgohl@wa.net=20 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: My new PC800 From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 06 Sep 1997 19:13:48 -0500 Lines: 15 >>>>> "GLD" == Gregg L DesElms writes: GLD> I'm not saying it's a mistake if it is your first GLD> bike, but it *is* in the class of a "big" bike, and in my opinion it GLD> may be a lot for a first-timer to bite-off. FYI, the PC was my first bike, too. I had it delivered to the house, rode it around the neighborhood, rode it to the MSF course, rode it home. I'd never ridden anything other than a 50cc scooter once about seven years ago before that. I can just barely flatfoot the bike, and I've never had any problems with it. It was kind of interesting in the beginning, though. - J< -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id UVA19786; Sat, 06 Sep 1997 20:45:31 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: rgohl@wa.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 Manual From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky Rocheux) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 20:45:31 EDT I thankest thou and knight thee Sir Robert . Good fellow you, what! On Sat, 6 Sep 1997 14:21:07 -0700 "Robert Gohl" writes: > >------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BCBAD0.1DFCC540 > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Bummer deal guys and gals that The Manuals not available. > >Id be willing to scan my manual and e-mail it to anyone asking for it. > >As for the Knight in shining armor bit how about a Guy(Smiles of >coarse) = >on a Pearl White Stallion (89 PC800) coming to the rescue? :) > >Let me know so I can start scanning.=20 > >Robert Gohl >rgohl@wa.net=20 > > >------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BCBAD0.1DFCC540 > charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > >

 Bummer deal guys >= >and gals that=20 >The Manuals not available.

>

Id be willing to scan >my = >manual and=20 >e-mail it to anyone asking for it. >

As for the Knight in = >shining armor bit=20 >how about a Guy(Smiles of coarse) on a Pearl White Stallion (89 PC800) >= >coming to=20 >the rescue? :) >

Let me know so I >= >can start=20 >scanning.  >

Robert = >Gohl
rgohl@wa.net=20 >

> >------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BCBAD0.1DFCC540-- > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 10:19:00 +0800 From: Poh Yu Seung To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: valve lifters? Hello gang, after deciding to keep the PC last month, I now want to start restoring my bike. Anytime I run the engine above 5000 rpm for 5 minutes or longer, there's a metal rattling sound exactly like the valve lifters need to be adjusted. (so says my mechanic who has heard the sound) Short bursts to that rpm range and low speed, urban riding does not produce the sound. The bike has 35,000 miles on the odometer So where do I start looking for the problem? Do I check the valve lifters or the oil pump? Yu Seung '95 Hotter in Black(with premature heart problems) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Moedavis1@aol.com by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA13497 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 23:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 23:08:47 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: looking for a used right turn signal/mirror Hello fortunate ones! Any suggestions on where to get a used right hand turn signal/mirror. I have had the misfortune of my '89 PC being tipped over by vandals.. I am in the Bay Area of California... Thanks! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jgeist.lubtx@door.net (Jgeist Lubtx) Subject: PC800: Where is Tenzo? Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 04:29:46 GMT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I've been trying to find the Tenzo web-site. Had no luck. If anyone has Tenzo Driving Light's web-site address, mailing address, or phone #, please forward it to: Jgeist.lubtx@door.net Thank's in advance! James Lubbock, Tx. '90 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'rider.stan@juno.com'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Honda Windshields--Which is which? Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 21:55:40 -0700 Without measuring the two shields I can't say for certain which is which. However, by looking at the bike I think it's easy to tell. The short shield: Looks like a "cockpit". Very rouned bubble look without a single flat spot on the surface. Very few, if any, riders would ever look through this shield while riding in a normal position. The tall shield: Looks like a very tall awkward window. There is some roundness to it but the emphasis in the shape is on making it tall. Many riders would find themselves looking through or just barely over the shield. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft, Redmond, WA AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140/STOC 478 '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" '96 Honda ST1100 ALT "TruST" ---------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 22:56:06 -0700 From: Phil Lewis To: Jgeist Lubtx CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, jknigh1@claycogov.com Subject: Re: PC800: Where is Tenzo? Jgeist Lubtx wrote: > > I've been trying to find the Tenzo web-site. Had no luck. If anyone has > Tenzo Driving Light's web-site address, mailing address, or phone #, > please forward it to: > Jgeist.lubtx@door.net > > Thank's in advance! > > James > Lubbock, Tx. > '90 PC800 Hi James! I think I sent you the Tenzo site before, but in case you didn't get it, here it is: http://www.qni.com/~nyztyz/tenzo/. The next link is http://www.qni.com/~nyztyz/tenzo/lighting.htm. The pricing page is http://www.qni.com/~nyztyz/tenzo/litprice.htm. Jeff Knights is the retailer and his e-mail address is jknigh1@claycogov.com. I'll CC: this to him and perhaps he'll send you a message. If you want to write or call him, his phone number and address are: home 816-628-6435 work 816-792-7642 ask for jeff... Jeff Knights 13321 Vines RD. Kearney, MO. 64060 Take care, Phil ******************** * * * Phil Lewis * * So-Cal * * '90 PC * * "Delta Red" * * Enjoying The Ride! * * * ******************** -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/970903) via SMTP id GAA02396 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 06:46:05 -0400 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: FW: PC800: communicators Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 06:18:19 -0400 Actually, another alternative I've been considering is CB. I have no interest in monitoring channel 19 but there are 39 more and one can usually find a relatively quiet one. Radio Shack has a self contained 5 watt/40 channel unit which is about 2"x1.5"x 9". It has a belt clip and comes with a "rubber ducky" antenna but can be attached to more substantial one. It also has remote mic, speaker and PTT jacks (it's designed to work with a label mic/speaker). It shouldn't be TOO hard to convert helmet mics/speakers to work. It also has a power input for 13.8 vdc so they will operate on their internal batteries or on the PCs power system. The downside is there is no VOX and the connection to the helmet mics/speakers would have to be homebrewed. It might even be possible to buy or build an "inline" VOX. Also, spark noise from could be a problem since since 27Mhz CB is AM. The upside is that the range of the 5 watt transmitter should be MUCH better than 49mhz units even with the little antenna, you have 40 channels to choose from and you could talk to the Wingers and other CB users if you so desire. Right now the local Radio Shack has these units on sale for $100 each. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Rocky E Rocheux [SMTP:rocheux@juno.com] Sent: Saturday, September 06, 1997 6:58 AM To: ericeric@concentric.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: communicators Eric, tnx 4 your timely advice. I will use the trick of changing Nady to Nada in my mind to remember this. Nada in Spanish means "nothing." Hey, I would like to get bike to bike communicators for myself and Carolyn (reflexive pronoun ok here). Does anyone know of a CB unit as the Gold Wingers use that would work with those little helmet spkrs and mikes etc etc? Thanks for your response. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John J. Scalisi" To: "PC800 Mail List" Subject: PC800: New Subscriber Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 08:29:37 -0400 Hi, I just suscribed to the PC800 mailing list. My name is John Scalisi. I live in Torrington, CT. My E-Mail address is jscalisi@snet.net. I have a 1990 Honda Pacific Coast that I bought used in June of this year, 1997. When purchased the PC already had the Rifle tall windshield installed and the passenger back rest. I got a good deal on the bike. It was in mint condition. Only had 10410 miles on it. The gentleman I purchased it from included a full cover for the bike, an Eclipse fast pack for the seat, the two trunck bags, the service manual, plus the owners manual and tool kit were still with the bike and, as stated previously the bike already had the Rifle winshield and passenger back rest installed. I paid $4200. Got to go now. Hope to hear from some of you. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 11:37:39 -0400 From: Roger Prince To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Honda Windshields--Which is which? I just measured the '95 ('90-'95 the same, suspect '96-'97 same also) and on the surface it's about 25". If you see a Honda picture of the PC sideview, the tall windshield is drastically different. Roger Bryce Ulrich wrote: > Without measuring the two shields I can't say for certain which is > which. However, by looking at the bike I think it's easy to tell. > > The short shield: Looks like a "cockpit". Very rouned bubble look > without a single flat spot on the surface. Very few, if any, riders > would ever look through this shield while riding in a normal position. > > The tall shield: Looks like a very tall awkward window. There is some > roundness to it but the emphasis in the shape is on making it tall. > Many riders would find themselves looking through or just barely over > the shield. > > -bryceu > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jeroen van Vuure" To: "PC800 owners club" Subject: Re: PC800: communicators Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:37:07 +0200 Are you certain the CB is 27 Mhz AM, in holland it's 27 Mhz FM, you can buy them with AM also but that's not legal. I have a CB tranceiver at home with 22 channels and 0,5 watt that was the only legal thing for a long time. Ad this moment you may have 40 channels and 4 watt so I made some changes. I now have a 10 watt amplifier behind the tranceiver. and I build some extra channels in it. I now have 64 channels, from 26.715 Mhz to 27.505 Mhz. I also want to build a CB tranceiver on my PC. I think I buy a car tranceiver and rebuild it. I want to build the display and the switches on the box cover at the left sid of the dashboard. I don't no where I will put the tranceiver yet. I also have to find a place for the antenna. Does somebody build already a CB tranceiver on it, and anyone does, how did you do it? Jeroen van Vuure ---------- > From: Jim Randall > To: 'PC800 List' > Subject: FW: PC800: communicators > Date: zondag 7 september 1997 12:18 > > Actually, another alternative I've been considering is CB. I have no interest > in monitoring channel 19 but there are 39 more and one can usually find > a relatively quiet one. Radio Shack has a self contained 5 watt/40 channel > unit which is about 2"x1.5"x 9". It has a belt clip and comes with a "rubber > ducky" antenna but can be attached to more substantial one. It also has > remote mic, speaker and PTT jacks (it's designed to work with a label > mic/speaker). It shouldn't be TOO hard to convert helmet mics/speakers to > work. It also has a power input for 13.8 vdc so they will operate on their > internal batteries or on the PCs power system. The downside is there is > no VOX and the connection to the helmet mics/speakers would have to be > homebrewed. It might even be possible to buy or build an "inline" VOX. > Also, spark noise from could be a problem since since 27Mhz CB is AM. > The upside is that the range of the 5 watt transmitter should be MUCH > better than 49mhz units even with the little antenna, you have 40 > channels to choose from and you could talk to the Wingers and other > CB users if you so desire. Right now the local Radio Shack has these units > on sale for $100 each. > > Jim Randall > jrandall@tricon.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky E Rocheux [SMTP:rocheux@juno.com] > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 1997 6:58 AM > To: ericeric@concentric.net > Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: PC800: communicators > > Eric, tnx 4 your timely advice. I will use the trick of changing Nady to > Nada in my mind to remember this. Nada in Spanish means "nothing." > > Hey, I would like to get bike to bike communicators for myself and > Carolyn (reflexive pronoun ok here). > > Does anyone know of a CB unit as the Gold Wingers use that would work > with those little helmet spkrs and mikes etc etc? Thanks for your > response. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m17.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id OsX12093; Sun, 07 Sep 1997 14:38:25 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 14:37:24 -0400 Subject: PC800: Windshield Identified!! From: rider.stan@juno.com (Stan Brady) Thanks to all of you who responded so quickly. No doubt, I have the shortie. And, as a bonus I have just been in contact with new list member, John Scalisi who is a Connecticut neighbor. He has a Rifle on his bike. If we can get together I'll have the opportunity to see it in the flesh and make some comparisons. Thanks again. I knew you'd come through. What a collective font of knowledge you all are! Stan B. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 15:19:45 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 15:19:22 -0400 From: "Dana L. Sawyer" Subject: PC800: Recent accessories added To: HondaPacificCoastOwners I have recently had the following accessories installed on my '90 Pacific= Coast: BMW grips, a Throttlemeister throttle lock, VDO quartz clock and V= DO voltmeter (in my dash panel.) Rather than take up space here, contact me for additional information and my evaluations. ************************************************** DANA L. SAWYER = Founder, Executive Committee Member and = South Carolina State Director = Honda Sport Touring Association = HSTA Member #0001SU = HRCA Member #700266 = AMA (Life) Member # 180901 = 71430.340@CompuServe.com = 1990 Honda Pacific Coast PC800 = "Life is short...I think I'll go riding!" = ****************************************************** "Of all the thing I've lost, I miss my mind the most! ****************************************************** -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 15:19:48 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 15:19:21 -0400 From: "Dana L. Sawyer" Subject: PC800: Honda Pc800 windscreens To: HondaPacificCoastOwners I'm not sure that this point has been made, and if it has, please forgive= me. But...There are THREE Honda windscreens for the Pacific Coast! The '8= 9 windscreen is more like a bubble and is angled back more severely than th= e one fitted to those from '90 on. That one is more flat (less bubble-like)= and is angled more straight-up than the '89 windscreen. The third one is available as an option, and is MUCH taller than either of the previous on= es mentioned. MUCH taller! I have the one originally fitted to my '90, with Saeng Stealth edging added. Incidentally, regardless of what windscreen y= ou have on your bike, the addition of this edging will certainly eliminate a= ny problem of dash melt-own in addition to giving you an additional 2 to 3 inch protection envelope. I'd like to have the shorter '89 windscreen on = my bike during the HOT days of summer here in the sunny South! Some days I'd= rather have no windscreen at all! Hot air is better than no air at all! = Hope this helps! ************************************************** DANA L. SAWYER = Founder, Executive Committee Member and = South Carolina State Director = Honda Sport Touring Association = HSTA Member #0001SU = HRCA Member #700266 = AMA (Life) Member # 180901 = 71430.340@CompuServe.com = 1990 Honda Pacific Coast PC800 = "Life is short...I think I'll go riding!" = ****************************************************** "Of all the thing I've lost, I miss my mind the most! ****************************************************** -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 15:19:52 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 15:19:24 -0400 From: "Dana L. Sawyer" Subject: PC800: Electrical problem solved To: HondaPacificCoastOwners An ongoing problem with battery failures on my '90 Pacific Coast (with 69,000 miles) has been traced to a faulty regulator/rectifier, which was putting too much voltage into my battery. Incidentally, the unit for the Pc800 is the same as the one for the CBR 600. My mechanic says that the first thing to check when you have electrical problems is the tightness of the battery terminals. Hope this helps... ************************************************** DANA L. SAWYER = Founder, Executive Committee Member and = South Carolina State Director = Honda Sport Touring Association = HSTA Member #0001SU = HRCA Member #700266 = AMA (Life) Member # 180901 = 71430.340@CompuServe.com = 1990 Honda Pacific Coast PC800 = "Life is short...I think I'll go riding!" = ****************************************************** "Of all the thing I've lost, I miss my mind the most! ****************************************************** -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m3.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id UgJ01265; Sun, 07 Sep 1997 20:18:06 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: jscalisi@snet.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 13:21:05 -0700 Subject: Re: PC800: New Subscriber From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy) Welcome to the list , John. Yes, you did get a good deal. Richard Hardy, San Diego rahardy@juno.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 21:32:19 -0400 To: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky Rocheux), patkins@mari.net From: "David L. Williamson" Subject: Re: PC800: Needing moral support from other PC'ers Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hi, Rocky. When she stopped only her tippy-toes touched the ground. The Wing is evidently a VERY well balanced bike. It amazed me to watch her put that thing through the paces. She was the president of her local Wing club. Dave At 10:31 PM 9/5/97 EDT, Rocky Rocheux wrote: >How on God's green earth did she ride that thing? I am 5'2" and have a 27 >or so inseam anbd no way I could ride it. She must have been "all legs" >as they say. >On Thu, 4 Sep 97 22:10:41 -0500 "Paul B. Atkins" >writes: >>>> >>>Stacy ... >>>I took the MSF experienced riders course a few months ago. More than >>half >>>the bikes there were Wings. One of the best Wing rider was a 67 year >>old >>>woman who stood 5'3". >>>How's that for encouragement? >>> Dave >>Dave, > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id WsB24145; Sun, 07 Sep 1997 22:03:27 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Moedavis1@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: looking for a used right turn signal/mirror From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 22:03:27 EDT Go thru the back of a good motorcycle magazine. There is a whole passel of used parts dealers with toll free phone numbers. Shoot the vandals! On Sat, 6 Sep 1997 23:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Moedavis1@aol.com writes: >Hello fortunate ones! >Any suggestions on where to get a used right hand turn signal/mirror. >I have had the misfortune of my '89 PC being tipped over by vandals.. >I am in the Bay Area of California... > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id WsA24145; Sun, 07 Sep 1997 22:03:27 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pohys@singnet.com.sg Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: valve lifters? From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 22:03:27 EDT So why don't you let your mechanic fix it now that he has taken his time to give you his opinion? On Sun, 07 Sep 1997 10:19:00 +0800 Poh Yu Seung writes: >Hello gang, > >after deciding to keep the PC last month, I now want to start >restoring >my bike. Anytime I run the engine above 5000 rpm for 5 minutes or >longer, there's a metal rattling sound exactly like the valve lifters >need to be adjusted. (so says my mechanic who has heard the sound) >Short >bursts to that rpm range and low speed, urban riding does not produce >the sound. The bike has 35,000 miles on the odometer > >So where do I start looking for the problem? Do I check the valve >lifters or the oil pump? > >Yu Seung -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id WsE24145; Sun, 07 Sep 1997 22:03:27 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: dlwilliamson@mindspring.com Cc: patkins@mari.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: A miniature Wing rider. From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 22:03:27 EDT Incredible. I don't believe it necessary to have both feet flat on the ground to ride a bike, except the Gold Wing. I find it amazing that such a tiny person would do that. More power to her. Her lack of a male fixture notwithstanding, she is more of a man than I am to be my tiny (5'2") height and handle that Gold Wing. I will stay with my PC. Speaking of my PC, it was absent on my ride with Carolyn today. Most unusual. I took the 1400 Intruder and Carolyn her new ZL600 Kaw. Eliminator. Thanks to one's suggestion here, I forget who he was, Carolyn attended and graduated with flying colours, the MSF course. Each evening last week, save one, we ventured further and longer. Today, finally, in a baptism of fire, Carolyn came of age as we rode almost a 100 mile round trip. Fairfax VA to The Plains, then south thru Old Tavern to Warrenton and home. She was ecstatic. We saw an old Red & White hand shift Harley in Manassas. My luck not to see him from my hand shift Indian. One thing the MSF course did not teach her was how to start off up a hill. She did not almost lose it, the other nite, but drifted backwards having to stop and started up again drifting backwards and finally stopping and moving forwards. It was bad news. She was very squirrely getting going. As soon as I could I got us both to a stop in a parking lot and told her how to hold the front brake and overcome the drag of the front brake and the gravity of the hill without coasting backwards when starting off up a hill. I was shocked to learn they did not teach her that! Ombeeweeaveable. Bonsoir a` tous. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: myleslewis@juno.com by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id AlP29327; Mon, 08 Sep 1997 00:02:00 EDT To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net Cc: myleslewis@juno.com, bmwmc@world.std.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, bmwrs1@aol.com Subject: Re: PC800: regards from Elko Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 00:02:00 EDT Hi Phil, Truly, I can understand how a day here can be like a month. Apparantly, they hit gold here a few years back and the town has over doubled in size in 4-5 years. Still not big, but has stuff to do. Great scenery as we said. Ride safe, Myles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 00:28:19 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 00:27:54 -0400 From: "Dana L. Sawyer" Subject: PC800: ATTN: E. Y. Murphey To: HondaPacificCoastOwners TO: E. Y. Murphey Sorry to have to post this to the list, but I tried to reply to your message using your address, but the system tells me that the address is n= ot correct. Please send me another message and I'll try again. Thanks! Dana Sawyer -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 21:33:22 -0700 From: "Stephen A. Churchill" To: Rocky E Rocheux CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: A miniature Wing rider. Rocky E Rocheux wrote: > > One thing the MSF course did not teach her was how to start off up a > hill. As soon as I could I got us both to a stop in a parking > lot and told her how to hold the front brake and overcome the drag of the > front brake and the gravity of the hill without coasting backwards when > starting off up a hill. Though the technique you describe is feasable, a method of hill starting that is easier for beginners to master is to have the right foot on the ground, the left foot holding the rear brake and use the throttle and clutch normally. Ease off the rear brake as the clutch takes hold but let the bike pull away before releasing the brake fully. Since I brake in the usual MSF fashion and usually only put my right foot down anyway (the way I was taught in MSF) this method works out great and is much easier than trying to modulate the front brake lever while twisting the throttle. SAC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 22:17:02 -0700 From: "Stephen A. Churchill" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, Phil Lewis Subject: Re: PC800: A miniature Wing rider. Phil Lewis wrote: > > Stephen A. Churchill wrote: > > Though the technique you describe is feasable, a method of hill starting > > that is easier for beginners to master is to have the right foot on the > > ground, the left foot holding the rear brake and use the throttle and > > clutch normally. > > Hey Steve! > > HELP! HELP! I'm confused!! Right foot on the ground and left foot on > the rear brake? Where's the gear shifter? I always stop with my left > foot on the ground and my right foot and right hand both applying > brakes. CORRECTION! CORRECTION! CORRECTION! Make that the LEFT foot on the ground and the RIGHT foot on the rear brake lever. Every now and then I seem to be left/right dyslexic. I not only confuse them but when I try to sort it out I have to think real hard to get it straight. BTW though I get the terms mixed up I don't actually confuse the different sides or mix up the rear brake with the shift lever. It's sometimes easier for me to use the terms "this side" and " that side". SAC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 22:33:42 -0800 From: Dave Gross To: schrchll@INETWORLD.NET CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: A miniature Wing rider. Stephen A. Churchill wrote: > > Though the technique you describe is feasable, a method of hill starting > that is easier for beginners to master is to have the right foot on the > ground, the left foot holding the rear brake and use the throttle and > clutch normally. Ease off the rear brake as the clutch takes hold but > let the bike pull away before releasing the brake fully. Since I brake > in the usual MSF fashion and usually only put my right foot down anyway > (the way I was taught in MSF) this method works out great and is much > easier than trying to modulate the front brake lever while twisting the > throttle. > I'm so confused. Most bikes I've ever seen have the foot brake on the RIGHT side. >From what I recall from MSF, I always only put my LEFT foot on the ground with my bike always in gear and the clutch pulled in at a stop light. On the hills around here in Seattle, with the right foot on the back brake whilst facing UPhill, it's easy to apply throttle and release the clutch. Facing DOWN hill, I use the front brake to stay in place. -- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, GSP http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 22:34:36 -0800 From: Dave Gross To: schrchll@INETWORLD.NET CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: A miniature Wing rider. heeheee. bet ya can't balance your checkbook, either. -- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, GSP http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 18:25:28 -0700 From: Eric Matthews To: Bryce Ulrich CC: "'rider.stan@juno.com'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Honda Windshields--Which is which? The tall Honda windshield is wider and flares outward just above the handlebars at full turn. Shaped like a bloated letter "T". E. Bryce Ulrich wrote: > Without measuring the two shields I can't say for certain which is > which. However, by looking at the bike I think it's easy to tell. > > The short shield: Looks like a "cockpit". Very rouned bubble look > without a single flat spot on the surface. Very few, if any, riders > would ever look through this shield while riding in a normal position. > > The tall shield: Looks like a very tall awkward window. There is some > roundness to it but the emphasis in the shape is on making it tall. > Many riders would find themselves looking through or just barely over > the shield. > > -bryceu -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. <19970907.220035.6679.4.Rocheux@juno.com> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:00:41 -0400 To: schrchll@INETWORLD.NET From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: A miniature Wing rider. Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Steven Churchill wrote: >Though the technique you describe is feasable, a method of hill starting >that is easier for beginners to master is to have the right foot on the >ground, the left foot holding the rear brake and use the throttle and >clutch normally. Ease off the rear brake as the clutch takes hold but >let the bike pull away before releasing the brake fully. Since I brake >in the usual MSF fashion and usually only put my right foot down anyway >(the way I was taught in MSF) this method works out great and is much >easier than trying to modulate the front brake lever while twisting the >throttle. > Steven. Until I read the next message, I just assumed that you had really, really long legs, a great sense of balance, and double jointed knees, hips, and ankles. ! Then I read your correction....I'm glad I decided to read all my messages before running out to the garage to try this new 'technique' !!! fsl :-) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 08 Sep 1997 08:09:44 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 08:09:27 -0400 From: "J. MARK VENABLE" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: communicators -Reply >>> "Jeroen van Vuure" 09/07/97 12:37pm >>> >Are you certain the CB is 27 Mhz AM, in holland it's 27 Mhz FM, (snip) >Does somebody build already a CB tranceiver on it, and anyone does, how did >you do it? >Jeroen van Vuure In the US it is just the opposite. FM is not allowed on 27 Mhz because it exceeds the legal bandwidth limit for the CB service. Only AM and single side band are allowed and AM is the most common mode. My CB set up is a Maxxon walky-talky style unit velcro'ed to the glove box lid and a set of J&M helmet speakers and mike (in a Shoie RF 200 full face helmet). The kit is available from Sierra Electronics (513) 335-8939. They sell a variety of communications gear with all the adapters to make it work on a motorcycle. I haven't had any problem with ignition noise interference. CB is the great lowest common denominator in communications since so many others already have it. regards Mark Venable '90 PC 10,250 "This End Up" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:13:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: Rocky E Rocheux cc: dlwilliamson@mindspring.com, patkins@mari.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: A miniature Wing rider. On Sun, 7 Sep 1997, Rocky E Rocheux wrote: > Incredible. I don't believe it necessary to have both feet flat on the > ground to ride a bike, except the Gold Wing. I find it amazing that such > a tiny person would do that. More power to her. Her lack of a male > fixture notwithstanding, she is more of a man than I am to be my tiny > (5'2") height and handle that Gold Wing. I will stay with my PC. > > Speaking of my PC, it was absent on my ride with Carolyn today. Most > unusual. I took the 1400 Intruder and Carolyn her new ZL600 Kaw. > Eliminator. Thanks to one's suggestion here, I forget who he was, Carolyn > attended and graduated with flying colours, the MSF course. > > Each evening last week, save one, we ventured further and longer. Today, > finally, in a baptism of fire, Carolyn came of age as we rode almost a > 100 mile round trip. Fairfax VA to The Plains, then south thru Old > Tavern to Warrenton and home. She was ecstatic. We saw an old Red & > White hand shift Harley in Manassas. My luck not to see him from my hand > shift Indian. > > One thing the MSF course did not teach her was how to start off up a > hill. She did not almost lose it, the other nite, but drifted backwards > having to stop and started up again drifting backwards and finally > stopping and moving forwards. It was bad news. She was very squirrely > getting going. As soon as I could I got us both to a stop in a parking > lot and told her how to hold the front brake and overcome the drag of the > front brake and the gravity of the hill without coasting backwards when > starting off up a hill. I was shocked to learn they did not teach her > that! Ombeeweeaveable. Bonsoir a` tous. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > Rocky, The MSF did teach Carolyn how to handle starting on hills but they didn't tell her they did. Basically it's just like starting off on a hill in a manual transmission car. Use the friction zone on the clutch while rolling on the throttle. Takes practice but works better than trying to handle the clutch, brake and throttle all at the same time. Just quickly roll on the throttle and ease out the clutch as soon as you release the hand brake. Barre' Barre' Bull Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jeff Knights" To: "Phil Lewis" , "Jgeist Lubtx" Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: Where is Tenzo? Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:09:55 -0500 Phil, Thanks for forwarding the information ! Any questions James? Jeff ---------- > From: Phil Lewis > To: Jgeist Lubtx > Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Jeff Knights > Subject: Re: PC800: Where is Tenzo? > Date: Sunday, September 07, 1997 12:56 AM > > Jgeist Lubtx wrote: > > > > I've been trying to find the Tenzo web-site. Had no luck. If anyone has > > Tenzo Driving Light's web-site address, mailing address, or phone #, > > please forward it to: > > Jgeist.lubtx@door.net > > > > Thank's in advance! > > > > James > > Lubbock, Tx. > > '90 PC800 > > Hi James! > > I think I sent you the Tenzo site before, but in case you didn't get it, > here it is: > http://www.qni.com/~nyztyz/tenzo/. > > The next link is http://www.qni.com/~nyztyz/tenzo/lighting.htm. > > The pricing page is http://www.qni.com/~nyztyz/tenzo/litprice.htm. > > Jeff Knights is the retailer and his e-mail address is > jknigh1@claycogov.com. > > I'll CC: this to him and perhaps he'll send you a message. > > If you want to write or call him, his phone number and address are: > > home 816-628-6435 > work 816-792-7642 ask for jeff... > > Jeff Knights > 13321 Vines RD. > Kearney, MO. 64060 > > Take care, > > Phil > > ******************** > * * > * Phil Lewis * > * So-Cal * > * '90 PC * > * "Delta Red" * > * Enjoying The Ride! * > * * > ******************** > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA23979 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 10:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 10:49:20 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Starting on a Hill In a message dated 97-09-08 01:16:58 EDT, Rocky writes: << One thing the MSF course did not teach her was how to start off up a hill. >> We used to teach that technique many, many years ago. Somehow, it got left out when they revised the course back in the mid 80s. One big problem with teaching it is that the practice ranges are of necessity flat and level (or as close as you can get to that ideal); so, there is no realistic way of letting the riders practice the technique. Some instructors used to make inclined ramps for this purpose, but not everyone could. The MSF is in the early stages of updating the course again, and I'll do what I can to get it put back in. If nothing else, we can desribe the technique in the riders' workbook and show it in a video. Of course, in many parts of the country we will get the inevitable question, "what's a hill," but I think we can deal with that on a case-by-case basis just as we do now with, "what's a curve?" :) JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 08 Sep 1997 11:18:20 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 11:17:49 -0400 From: "J. MARK VENABLE" To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: New Subscriber >>> "John J. Scalisi" 09/07/97 08:29am >>> > I just suscribed to the PC800 mailing list. My name is John Scalisi. I >live in Torrington, CT. Welcome to the list, John. There are at least a couple Ct. riders here. You have some nice roads in your neck of the state. I am located on the east side of the state (Ledyard). Hmmmmm, maybe we should arrange a tour de connecticut before it gets too cold. Or maybe a New England PC Foliage Convention. Anyone interested? Mark Venable '90 PC800 10,250 "This End Up" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:12:10 -0700 From: "Stephen A. Churchill" To: "J. MARK VENABLE" CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: communicators -Reply J. MARK VENABLE wrote: > > My CB set up is a Maxxon walky-talky style unit velcro'ed to the glove box lid > and a set of J&M helmet speakers and mike (in a Shoie RF 200 full face helmet). > The kit is available from Sierra Electronics (513) 335-8939. They sell a > variety of communications gear with all the adapters to make it work on a > motorcycle. I haven't had any problem with ignition noise interference. > I just installed the walkie-talkie type unit from Sierra Electronics on my PC and have had no problem with ignition noise. I also installed a full size antenna using their license plate mounting kit and routed the coax cable inside the body panels exiting on the dash. It all seems to work fine. BTW my unit is made by Midland not Maxxon. Is that perhaps what you meant? Steve Churchill -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 8 Sep 1997 12:24:57 -0400 From: "Ted Gerarden" Subject: PC800: MSF course in No. Va. To: "PC800 list" Now that I'm moving up considerably in size and power, it's time for me to stop procrastinating about taking the MSF course. For you folks in DC/No. Virginia, do you know when & where the next course will be offered? I'm in Arlington. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jfmoemd@aol.com by emout02.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA05633; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 12:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 12:29:37 -0400 (EDT) To: schrchll@inetworld.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, pilewis1@concentric.net Subject: Re: PC800: A miniature Wing rider. In a message dated 97-09-08 01:13:09 EDT, schrchll@INETWORLD.NET writes: << Every now and then I seem to be left/right dyslexic. I not only confuse them but when I try to sort it out I have to think real hard to get it straight. BTW though I get the terms mixed up I don't actually confuse the different sides or mix up the rear brake with the shift lever. It's sometimes easier for me to use the terms "this side" and " that side". >> Never mind, Steve! Just point your finger at the pedal and we'll understand! B>) John -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 08 Sep 1997 13:13:35 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 13:13:02 -0400 From: "J. MARK VENABLE" To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: communicators -Reply -Reply >>> "Stephen A. Churchill" 09/08/97 12:12pm >>> >I just installed the walkie-talkie type unit from Sierra Electronics on >my PC and have had no problem with ignition noise. I also installed a >full size antenna using their license plate mounting kit and routed the >coax cable inside the body panels exiting on the dash. It all seems to >work fine. BTW my unit is made by Midland not Maxxon. Is that perhaps >what you meant? I bought mine a couple of years ago. Sierra has sold both Midland and Maxxon units. I get them mixed up but I'm pretty sure mine is a Maxxon. A full size antenna is a good move. I use the rubby duck antenna which is, of course, horizontal with the radio laying on the faring. This cuts down the range significantly. That is both good news and bad news depending on the situation. I don't have to listen to a lot of traffic I'm not interested in but I can only talk to others that are pretty close. Mark Venable '90 PC 10,250 "This End Up" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 10:18:38 PT From: "PETER NOETH, SR. SYSTEMS ENGINEER, GPS-SFO X5567" Subject: Re: PC800: communicators To: jrandall@tricon.net Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu /FONT=Courier-Bold/LINES=66/LEFT_MARGIN=36/CALCULATE/TOP_MARGIN=36/BOTTOM_MARGIN=36 Jim, I have not had experience with this particular model, but have used the Maxon units. The only problem you will encounter is a lot of interference from Baby Monitors, Cordless Phones (the handset part is on 49Mhz), and to a lesser extent the cheap kids walkie-talkies. This problem is more apparent in residential areas, get out into the rural areas and it pretty much goes away. I have had a number of problems being able to talk to my friends (even on bicycles) because of the interference. The natural ability for FM (Frequency Modulation) to lock onto the stronger signal made communication practically impossible because of the other signals on these frequencies, unless we were within 2 car lengths when traveling on the freeways that cut through residential areas. My experience is that you will not be able to realize the full 1/4 mile range unless you are in a non-populated area. My advice is to get units that have at least 5 channels you can select from so you can dodge other users as much as possible. Regards, Peter *************** Having studied the review of bike-to-bike communicators in the September issue of "Rider", I think I going to buy the NADY PRC-9 set. Why? - best VOX of the bunch - also an intercom for two-up riding - unobtrusive form factor - it will work with the mics and speakers already installed in our helmets - low cost ($210 for the pair from Chapparal) Of course the downside is the limited power of 49Mhz transcievers. Since I expect Nancy and I will stick pretty closely together, the 1/4 mile range should be OK. Does anyone have any experience with these units? Any other opinions? Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mskrocki@meldrum.com Date: Mon, 08 Sep 97 13:41:06 est To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: An Exhasutive Problem This last Friday while running an errand, my wife ran over some type of road debris that put a .5" hole in the front exhaust header, near the bottom, where it curves to go back toward the muffler. My local dealer quoted $78 dollars for the part, but I was wondering if this is a do it yourself type project, or should I let the dealer handle the repair. I don't currently have a service manual, so could use some advice on what plastic would have to be removed, and other steps needed for replacement. Would it be possible for someone to fax me the pages out of the service manual relating to this? If so it would be a big help, but any suggestions, information or personal accounts would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Enjoy the ride. Mark Skrocki Sandra & Mark Skrocki 89 PC800 "Jackson" hers / 85 VF1100S "Almighty Aphrodite" his Shaker Hts., OH mskrocki@meldrum.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 15:00:19 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: An Exhasutive Problem I have replaced the lower right hand one of those front curved pipes- mine rusted through where it connects to the muffler. If you're comfortable with wrenching, it's a 1 to 2 hour job. It doesn't look like you should have to take the muffler off to do it, but you do. Taking the muffler off is only about 20 minutes (back wheel comes off.) The first time I did it (I've also replaced the muffler) I f*cked with the thing for an hour trying to get the new pipe on, gave up just before destroying the new pipe, then took the muffler off and it was easy. Whenever I do any muffler work I make sure I have spare parts -- clamps, those beautiful shiny cylindrical gasket things and bolts -- one spare for every one I'll be loosening. They're not worth trying to save, and not being able to finish the job just because you didn't buy a $2.50 part is a huge hassle. -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com by emout27.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA01019; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 15:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 15:21:16 -0400 (EDT) To: rocheux@juno.com, pohys@singnet.com.sg cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: valve lifters? How can it be a valve adjustment problem? The PC has hydraulic lifters. Therefor, I thought, no adjustment required or possible.... TZ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:13:21 PT From: "PETER NOETH, SR. SYSTEMS ENGINEER, GPS-SFO X5567" Subject: Re: PC800: valve lifters? To: GuntherSki@aol.com Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu /FONT=Courier-Bold/LINES=66/LEFT_MARGIN=36/CALCULATE/TOP_MARGIN=36/BOTTOM_MARGIN=36 Gunther, Hydraulic lifters can "go soft" when their internal seals fail. The same problems happen in cars (I know because I have had to change them). With the proliference of 4 cylinder engined cars with their solid lifters and the few motorcycles that have hydraulic lifters, people have forgotten that when hydraulic lifters fail, they sound just like solid lifters that need adjustment. This failure mode is usually rpm related, in that at higher rpm the pump action has a shorter pulse duration and if the seals are bad, the lifter will not maintain enough internal pressure. Regards, Peter ************** How can it be a valve adjustment problem? The PC has hydraulic lifters. Therefor, I thought, no adjustment required or possible.... TZ -- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:22:36 PT From: "PETER NOETH, SR. SYSTEMS ENGINEER, GPS-SFO X5567" Subject: PC800: Backrest option To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu /FONT=Courier-Bold/LINES=66/LEFT_MARGIN=36/CALCULATE/TOP_MARGIN=36/BOTTOM_MARGIN=36 List, I receintly installed the Hondaline passenger backrest option I purchased several weeks ago. I remember several postings on the fact that the uprights connecting the backrest to the seat frame have cracked and seperated at the weld for several of you. This was determined to be the fact that the uprights were of thinner steel than the pieces the seat frame was made of. I have found that the uprights are made of the same gauge steel as the seat frame on the set I ordered. There is a small right angle bend in the uprights that is welded on both sides to the seat frame pieces. Could it be that Honda has beefed up the design because of prior failures and like the '89 stator problem, has failed to mention that there was a material defect in the old parts? I noticed that the backer plate the backrest foam material is attached to is aluminum. Has anyone run into the problem of the attaching bolts stripping out the threads in the aluminum and have fallen out. This may be the current weak spot in the design now. Regards, Peter -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id ULN12644; Mon, 08 Sep 1997 20:39:49 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: t.gerarden@dcwm.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: MSF course in No. Va. From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 20:39:49 EDT Yes, call Northern VA Community College. It is taught ea wkend at Alexandria Campus for $85. You can reg in adv or go over there any Fri nite at 6PM and try for standby. Further info call me at 425-6929 Ask for Rocky or Carolyn--she just finished course. On 8 Sep 1997 12:24:57 -0400 "Ted Gerarden" writes: >Now that I'm moving up considerably in size and power, it's time for >me to >stop procrastinating about taking the MSF course. For you folks in >DC/No. >Virginia, do you know when & where the next course will be offered? >I'm in >Arlington. >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id ULM12644; Mon, 08 Sep 1997 20:39:49 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: schrchll@INETWORLD.NET Cc: VENABJM@GWSMTP.NU.COM, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: communicators -Reply From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 20:39:49 EDT 513 AREA CODE FOR 335 PREFIX CHANGED TO 937. Unit is abt $350 per bike fyi. I just got off phone with him. Rocky. On Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:12:10 -0700 "Stephen A. Churchill" writes: >J. MARK VENABLE wrote: >> >> My CB set up is a Maxxon walky-talky style unit velcro'ed to the >glove box lid >> and a set of J&M helmet speakers and mike (in a Shoie RF 200 full >face helmet). >> The kit is available from Sierra Electronics (513) 335-8939. They >sell a >> variety of communications gear with all the adapters to make it work >on a >> motorcycle. I haven't had any problem with ignition noise >interference. >> > >I just installed the walkie-talkie type unit from Sierra Electronics >on >my PC and have had no problem with ignition noise. I also installed a >full size antenna using their license plate mounting kit and routed >the >coax cable inside the body panels exiting on the dash. It all seems >to >work fine. BTW my unit is made by Midland not Maxxon. Is that >perhaps >what you meant? > >Steve Churchill >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id ULL12644; Mon, 08 Sep 1997 20:39:49 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Fireman_Joe@compuserve.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, dancer90@juno.com Subject: PC800:MSF forgot to teach.... From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 20:39:49 EDT --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Starting on a Hill Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 10:49:20 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-09-08 01:16:58 EDT, Rocky writes: << One thing the MSF course did not teach her was how to start off up a hill. >> We used to teach that technique many, many years ago. Somehow, it got left out when they revised the course back in the mid 80s. One big problem with teaching it is that the practice ranges are of necessity flat and level (or as close as you can get to that ideal); so, there is no realistic way of letting the riders practice the technique. Some instructors used to make inclined ramps for this purpose, but not everyone could. The MSF is in the early stages of updating the course again, and I'll do what I can to get it put back in. If nothing else, we can desribe the technique in the riders' workbook and show it in a video. Of course, in many parts of the country we will get the inevitable question, "what's a hill," but I think we can deal with that on a case-by-case basis just as we do now with, "what's a curve?" :) JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. --------- End forwarded message ---------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id ULJ12644; Mon, 08 Sep 1997 20:39:49 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: schrchll@INETWORLD.NET Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Starting Uphill. From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 20:39:49 EDT Different strokes 4 different folks, Steve. They taught Carolyn at MSF to put left foot down first and then the other foot. Period! Carolyn sez she was never told to put only the left foot down and leave the right one on the brake. Interesting....PERHAPS THE MSF COURSE IS DIFFERENT IN OUR TOWN???? Anyway she feels more confident starting off with a level bike and both feet on the ground and has quickly mastered holding the brake and rolling the throttle. Yesterday on her 100 mile ride, she learned by herself to release the front brake as she engages the clutch, not having to drag the brake once she starts up the hill. I am astounded at how quickly she can take instructional sentences and translate them into motor skills (brain motor as opposed to gas motor). Married to her 30 yrs and always learning new things about her. On Sun, 07 Sep 1997 21:33:22 -0700 "Stephen A. Churchill" writes: >Rocky E Rocheux wrote: >> >I CHANGED RIGHT TO LEFT AND VICE VERSA AS THAT IS WHAT MR. CHURCHILL LATER POSTED HE MEANT, Rocky >Though the technique you describe is feasable, a method of hill >starting that is easier for beginners to master is to have the left foot on >the ground, the right foot holding the rear brake and use the throttle and clutch normally. Ease off the rear brake as the clutch takes hold but >let the bike pull away before releasing the brake fully. Since I >brake in the usual MSF fashion and usually only put my right foot down >anyway (the way I was taught in MSF) this method works out great and is much easier than trying to modulate the front brake lever while twisting the throttle. > >SAC > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id ULP12644; Mon, 08 Sep 1997 20:39:49 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PETER_N1@sfov1.verifone.com Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Backrest option From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 20:39:49 EDT I have this very high backplate I put on the stock brackets and removed the cover and 4" foam yesterday to inspect the welds and they look great. Just thought you would like to know. Mine is a 96 and the backrest they 1st got would not fit as they did not specifiy 96 and they reordered and the 2nd one fit--there IS a difference<. On Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:22:36 PT "PETER NOETH, SR. SYSTEMS ENGINEER, GPS-SFO X5567" writes: >List, > > I receintly installed the Hondaline passenger backrest option I >purchased >several weeks ago. I remember several postings on the fact that the >uprights connecting the backrest to the seat frame have cracked and >seperated at the weld for several of you. This was determined to be >the >fact that the uprights were of thinner steel than the pieces the seat >frame >was made of. I have found that the uprights are made of the same gauge > >steel as the seat frame on the set I ordered. There is a small right >angle >bend in the uprights that is welded on both sides to the seat frame >pieces. > > Could it be that Honda has beefed up the design because of prior >failures >and like the '89 stator problem, has failed to mention that there was >a >material defect in the old parts? I noticed that the backer plate the >backrest foam material is attached to is aluminum. Has anyone run into >the >problem of the attaching bolts stripping out the threads in the >aluminum >and have fallen out. This may be the current weak spot in the design >now. > > >Regards, > >Peter > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Fireman Joe" To: "PC800 Listservice" Subject: PC800: FW: tribute to Ron major Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 21:39:00 -0400 the following is a Tribute someone posted on the HSTA page... I want y'all to share and pass along....I got my foto album out today just to look at STAR95 pics..and show someone a pic of his ST with the added gas tank under the license plate... also check out this page... http://www.biznet-tn.com/ron ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Robert Coats Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 21:57:02 +0000 Subject: My Tribute to Ron Major Ron Major, a Motorcyclist The road never tires, mile upon mile It turns and rises, often causing a smile Sometimes flat and tedious, yet with courage and time Secure on my steed, the whole world is mine Going the distance and breaking the rules Of society gone mad, while they call me the fool I am a man of the road, and it beckons me far To travel, to live, to reach for that star Talents I was blessed with, I produce and give grace Perfection I demand, and quality I chase Sharing with you, it brings me such joy Tweaking and improving our two-wheeled toys For there is no other life for me on this place But to ride and feel the harsh wind in my face And when it is time, and the last ride is near I shall go there most boldly and withhold my fear Weep not for me now, my mortal friends The place I'm at now, the curves never end And while we're apart, the times we will miss Remember me then, with a twist of your wrist. -R. Coats ----__ListProc__NextPart____HSTA__digest_691 ---------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA04100 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 21:20:13 -0500 (CDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 21:20:13 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Dave Lott Subject: PC800: Hill Starting Steve Churchill wrote: >Though the technique you describe is feasable, a method of hill starting >that is easier for beginners to master is to have the right foot on the >ground, the left foot holding the rear brake and use the throttle and >clutch normally. And then when the clutch engages, do you do a leaping jump back on the saddle so you can use your left foot to change the gears? Couldn't resist. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John J. Scalisi" To: "PC800 Mail List" Subject: PC800: PC800 Radio Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 22:33:40 -0400 Does anyone make a radio system for the PC800? I would like to add a radio to the bike. Any ideas? john -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 22:25:34 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 , WetLeather Subject: PC800: Maui Moto rentals Anyone have any experience renting on Maui? I need a bike for 5 days in early Nov. -- Steve Gross - Seattle, WA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id CHC27799; Tue, 09 Sep 1997 02:31:10 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 23:30:30 -0700 Subject: PC800: Hondaline bags.... From: timmacy@juno.com (Timothy B Macy) I've got a pair of the Hondalines, and one of our (male) cats decided to uh, "baptize" one of the bags with a liberal sprinkling of less-than-holy water. Can't find any washing instructions on the bags, and I was concerned about how a run through the washing machine might be a bit hard on them. Is my concern misplaced? Has anyone washed theirs? Any and all advice definitely appreciated. Any and all smartass cracks definitely expected! Tim Portland, OR '94 PC800--60,660 Miles of Smiles "I love California, I practically grew up in Phoenix." - Vice President Dan Quayle -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 06:15:49 -0400 To: timmacy@juno.com (Timothy B Macy), pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "David L. Williamson" Subject: Re: PC800: Hondaline bags.... Tim ... I think I'd go to a pet supply shop & get some stuff most of them have available to eradicate the odor ... Tide won't do it! In a pinch, soak in stewed tomatoes. You mentioned Wisconsin in your younger days. I spent some time there, also, in my earlier days. When we had a skunk family take up residence under the cabin, the men would draw straws. The loser donned a gas mask, went under there, and set a cage trap. After catching a skunk, he'd then go back under, retrieve the trap (containing skunk), & take the trap to the lake (these were cabins on a lake). He'd then proceed to half-drown the skunk & then release it. Within a day all of the skunks relocated. Evidently, they spread the word about what a mean b*tard lived in that cabin! I realize that how to persuade a skunk family to relocate seems to have little to do with the PC800 ... until you follow my twisted line of logic a bit further. Remember the poor guy who drew the short straw? The winners (who did not have to go under the cabin & get sprayed) were obliged to prepare a large tub of stewed tomatoes for the hero. He took a long soaking bath (clothes & all) in the stewed tomatoes to remove the skunk odor. The guy who drew the next shortest straw had to go under the cabin with a big scrub brush and a bucket of tomatoes and scrub the underside of the cabin. Stewed tomatoes seemed to be the best way to eliminate the odor. Now, I'm not going to assume responsibility for the results should you decide to try the tomatoe trick with your Hondalines, but I thought it might be worth passing on the old folklore on the subject. In any case, in the absense of washing instructions, I believe I would hand wash the things and hang them on the clothesline to dry (if any of you guys are too young to know what a clothesline is, let us know ... Tim or I will prepare a post to describe the device). Dave At 11:30 PM 9/8/97 -0700, Timothy B Macy wrote: >I've got a pair of the Hondalines, and one of our (male) cats decided to >uh, "baptize" one of the bags with a liberal sprinkling of less-than-holy >water. > >Can't find any washing instructions on the bags, and I was concerned >about how a run through the washing machine might be a bit hard on them. >Is my concern misplaced? Has anyone washed theirs? > >Any and all advice definitely appreciated. Any and all smartass cracks >definitely expected! > >Tim >Portland, OR >'94 PC800--60,660 Miles of Smiles > >"I love California, I practically grew up in Phoenix." - Vice >President Dan Quayle >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 08:44:58 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: Hondaline bags.... Surprisingly, "How To Remove Cat P*ss" is in the Cat FAQs... http://www.zmall.com/pet_talk/cat-faqs/misc.html it's got some tips for un-marking carpets which are AT LEAST as difficult to put into the washer as your bags. There is also some discussion of it here: http://www.hometime.com/projects/forum/archives/homemain/critters.htm -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 08:52:53 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: valve lifters? Gunther writes: >How can it be a valve adjustment problem? The PC has hydraulic lifters. >Therefor, I thought, no adjustment required or possible.... No problem. Remove the LEFT HAND side cover, sit on the bike, and use your RIGHT FOOT to adjust the valves. Of course our bike does have hydraulic lifters. I think what the writer was talking about was a ticking noise that happens occasionally after a highspeed run, especially the first ones in the spring. The ticking noise sounds exactly like a way-off valve and goes away if you stop the bike for even a couple seconds. My '89's done this a few times. Some guys have speculated that it's a tiny piece of dirt that gets stirred up from the oilpan, gets through the filter, and gets caught in the lifter's checkvalve. -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 08:53:24 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: Maui Moto rentals Steve Gross writes: >Anyone have any experience renting on Maui? I need a bike for 5 days in >early Nov. My experience on Oahu was that you could get a scooter at 10-20$/hour, and several other bikes for 100 - 250$/day. On Ku'a'ii one shop had a scooter at similar prices. Aaaaaaaaarrrrrgggghhh. There are so many OK used bikes for sale anywhere in the world; on future trips, I'll get a friend in the area to find me an OK bike for under 400$ to buy, and then either throw away or give to some deserving guy at the end of the vacation. Also conceivably I could make an agreement with the seller of a nicer bike to e.g. buy for 800$ and sell it back to him for 500$ a week later if it hasn't been wrecked -- that would be a good deal for both of us. -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 20:24:18 +0800 From: Poh Yu Seung To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: "lucky" me Hi everyone, It had to be me again. My PC is beginning to make me lose confidence. I parked outside a shopping center after a half hour ride and as I extended the side stand, the whole floor was covered in coolant. Called a tow truck, got it to the shop and turns out the culprit was a melted O-ring at the point where the hot water enters the water pump. So the mechanic and I spent two hours tearing out the fairing, and the front subframe and water pump, just so that he could put in a new O-ring that took all of twenty seconds to install. :( felt really bad he went through all that trouble so I bought a new airfilter and changed the final drive oil in the process (kinda to pacify his boss). anyone else had the same problem? Yu Seung P.s. for those of you wondering about the valve lifter noise, I've decided to get an oil pressure gauge temporarily fitted for a few days to see if the oil pump is suspect or if the lifters aren't holding up properly. will keep you informed -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 08:55:23 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Maui Moto rentals Cc: slgross@halcyon.com Steve Gross wrote: >Anyone have any experience renting on Maui? I need a bike for 5 days in >early Nov. > Hello Steve. My wife and I went to Maui for the MArch break in '96. We rented a Harley Heritage Springer Softail from Mavrik Motorcycle Rentals. They have two offices, one is in Lahaina, and the other one is closer to Kihei. We had gone to the Lahaina location, and saw a beautiful pearl white/grey Softail, and reserved it for the next few days. The next morning, the owner of Mavrik called to say that bike had been damaged on a rental, but that if I went to the other location, he would have something better for me. We arrived, and saw a sparkling two-tone green Softail, with the bags, floorboards, every chrome goodie known to mankind, etc. It was the owners personal bike. I was impressed with that. Many places would have said, "Too bad, so sad...the Softail is not available, but here's a Vespa scooter, no extra charge!" They were very professional, the bikes were in top shape, and they were extremely friendly. I would recommend that you reserve ahead of time, and since there is no helmet law in Hawaii, I would strongly recommend that you reserve someting with a windshield. I had sun glasses on, and my eyes were watering alot, to the point where I lost a contact. There can be quite a breeze coming in from the ocean, and without any protection, it can be quite difficult to drive, even at 55 mph. You can check out Mavrik's home page at http://www.hotelcasinomedia.com/mavrik/index.html Good luck. Let us know what you decide. fsl :-) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:06:03 -0400 To: timmacy@juno.com (Timothy B Macy) From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Hondaline bags.... Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Tim Macy wrote: >I've got a pair of the Hondalines, and one of our (male) cats decided to >uh, "baptize" one of the bags with a liberal sprinkling of less-than-holy >water. Okay...so if I understand this, your cat did this to ONE of the bags.. > >Can't find any washing instructions on the bags, and I was concerned >about how a run through the washing machine might be a bit hard on them. ..hard on THEM? Are you washing the bag AND the cat, or are you washing both bags?!! >Is my concern misplaced? Maybe, maybe not...is your cat concerned? >Has anyone washed theirs? I washed my dog, but the washing instructions label, under the tail, specifically said to HAND WASH. I would assume your cat is the same. >Any and all advice definitely appreciated. Buy a large box of bandaids. I don't think your cat is going to enjoy this. > Any and all smartass cracks >definitely expected! > As requested !!! Seriously though, I think you should follow the advice from the other post, about the FAQ for cats. I would think that the bags are tough enough for the washer, but they will probably need to be soaked for a while, and you may need your washer in that time. Mine have a shiny coating on the interior. It looks like some sort of waterproof coating. You may need to re-treat them for water resistance after you are done. Besides, they bye for now.... fsl :-) (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) Francois Saint Laurent '95 PC800 Ottawa, Canada Waltzing Matilda HSTA Member Number 7470 (:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 09:28:09 -0700 From: "Stephen A. Churchill" To: Rocky E Rocheux CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Starting Uphill. Rocky E Rocheux wrote: > > Different strokes 4 different folks, Steve. They taught Carolyn at MSF > to put left foot down first and then the other foot. Period! Carolyn sez > she was never told to put only the left foot down and leave the right one > on the brake. Interesting....PERHAPS THE MSF COURSE IS DIFFERENT IN OUR > TOWN???? That's interesting because the natural beginner tendency is to put both feet on the ground at a stop and we were specifically taught to put only the left (that's correct it's left) foot down. The reasoning is just for the situation we have been discussing i.e. starting uphill from a stop. Our instructor would ding you if you put both feet down or even the right (brake side) foot down only. It takes practice to learn to stop and put only the shift-side foot down but once it becomes habit it's a piece of cake to start on a hill. Steve Churchill -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 16:38:39 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vincent Santamaria" Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: Starting Uphill. Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:30:01 -0400 At my beginning MSF , I was taught left foot down and right on the brake. Vince -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by popsicle.llnl.gov (8.8.5/LLNL-3.0) with SMTP id KAA15309; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:21:13 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:21:49 +1000 To: redwolf@tailwind.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu (_PC800) From: korbel1@popsicle.llnl.gov (George Korbel) Subject: Re: PC800: S.F. Bay Area Get-together Hi Mike, I live in Pleasanton, have '90 red PC and would participate in the planned Ride. Any Saturday afternoon, or Sunday all day. Good luck in putting this together! George At 10:52 AM 9/5/97, Mike Bavister wrote: >Hello fellow Bay Area PC800 riders, > >We now have a largish group of PC enthusiasts in the Bay Area. I'd like to >propose that we all meet for dinner or a group ride in the near future; and >I'm volunteering to coordinate this gathering. So, whether you're a long-time >PC800 owner or still lusting; frequent poster or lurker; S.F. Bay Area >resident or willing to ride/drive in, let's all get together. > >Email me with your preference for Ride, Dinner or Both. Please also let me >know which days/times you are free. I'll compile the results and mail them >to everyone who responds (to keep the planning stuff off the list). Once >we've got a firm date/time/event I'll announce it to the list. > > >Thanks, Mike. (1990 PC800) > >-- >Mike D. Bavister RBTF Newsletter Editor & Breed Rescue Co-chair >redwolf@tailwind.com Canine Search & Rescue Newbie >mdbavister@ucdavis.edu Dog Agility Newbie (1 leg in AKC Novice A) > > Snowflower Diamond Rio -- "my partner in crime" >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 09:47:02 -0700 From: "Stephen A. Churchill" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, Honda Sport Touring Association Subject: PC800: Vaya Con Dios Muchachos Well, an interesting event has occurred in the last couple of days. I got a temporary job (four months) in Visalia CA. Consequently I will not be taking the grand tour across the western USA riding through some of the most scenic coountryside anywhere. Since the job will finish in the middle of winter I will have to take the ride across country using the southern route bypassing 95% of the planned scenic area. Maybe some other day... This will be my last communique from this address. After I unsubscribe from HSTA and PC800 lists I will dismantle my computer. Until I get my computer back up at a new address in a few months, I will be incommunicado. I still plan to attend WeSTAR in Mammoth Mountain this weekend so I may see some of you in the flesh. Thanks for the help and camaraderie guys. Catch ya on the flip flop gud buddy! Steve Churchill "Katie" PC 800 5000 miles and still counting Peace be with you -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:58:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: Vincent Santamaria cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Starting Uphill. On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, Vincent Santamaria wrote: > At my beginning MSF , I was taught left foot down and right on the brake. > Vince > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > We still teach it that way BUT....we tell them once you come to a complete stop that it is ok to put the right foot down...we realize that for some it is awkward to try to hold a bike up with just one foot down. Barre' Barre'Bull Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bob Ray" To: "Vincent Santamaria" Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: Starting Uphill. Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:24:36 -0500 > > At my beginning MSF , I was taught left foot down and right on the brake. > Vince > Pull the clutch lever in with the LEFT hand, snick it into first with the LEFT foot, clamp the front brake down with the RIGHT fingers, wind 'er up to 7000 rpm with the RIGHT palm, then simultaneously pick both legs up, release the front brake, drop the clutch, and scream "Waaaahoooo". Bob Ray -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ramin Keyvan" Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:36:01 -0700 "PC800: Vaya Con Dios Muchachos" (Sep 9, 9:47am) To: schrchll@inetworld.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, Honda Sport Touring Association Subject: Re: PC800: Vaya Con Dios Muchachos We'll speak at you when you get back on line Steve. In the mean-time, be safe and keep it rubber-side-down (or shiny-side-up ;)). Cheers, Ramin On Sep 9, 9:47am, Stephen A. Churchill wrote: > Subject: PC800: Vaya Con Dios Muchachos > Well, an interesting event has occurred in the last couple of days. I > got a temporary job (four months) in Visalia CA. Consequently I will > not be taking the grand tour across the western USA riding through some > of the most scenic coountryside anywhere. Since the job will finish in > the middle of winter I will have to take the ride across country using > the southern route bypassing 95% of the planned scenic area. Maybe some > other day... > > This will be my last communique from this address. After I unsubscribe > from HSTA and PC800 lists I will dismantle my computer. Until I get my > computer back up at a new address in a few months, I will be > incommunicado. > > I still plan to attend WeSTAR in Mammoth Mountain this weekend so I may > see some of you in the flesh. > > Thanks for the help and camaraderie guys. Catch ya on the flip flop gud > buddy! > > Steve Churchill > "Katie" > PC 800 5000 miles and still counting > Peace be with you > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >-- End of excerpt from Stephen A. Churchill -- ------------------------------------------------------ |Ramin Keyvan | Voice: 415-846-5169 | |Member Technical Staff/ | FAX: 415-846-1228 | |Release Group | Main #:415-846-5000 | |ramin@tibco.com | Beeper:800-SKY-GRAM | |http://www.tibco.com | Beeper Pin #: 471-3186# | ------------------------------------------------------ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ramin Keyvan" Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:45:37 -0700 "Re: PC800: Starting Uphill." (Sep 9, 12:24pm) To: "Bob Ray" , "Vincent Santamaria" Subject: Re: PC800: Starting Uphill. Cc: yeah!! Why don't you try that on some of our hills here in San Francisco and you can truly test the aerodynamic qualities of the PC ;). And then when you bring her in for a landing you can test the efficacy of the PC's braking system on street surfaces comprised of part asphalt, part old cobble-stone. Talk about your "Waaaahoooo"! Of-course the idea is to get her hauled down to zero mph before you skid into the intersection at the bottom of the hill where a Muni bus is just waiting to take you out! ;) Good luck Captain! You have your flying orders! ;) Ramin (I really should do some work) Keyvan ps. I wonder: If you remove the latching mechanism for the trunk lid and hook up a thumb-switch activated hydraulic ram under there, could you use the lid as a type of air-brake (like the ones on jet fighters)? On Sep 9, 12:24pm, Bob Ray wrote: > Subject: Re: PC800: Starting Uphill. > > > > Pull the clutch lever in with the LEFT hand, snick it into first with the > LEFT foot, clamp the front brake down with the RIGHT fingers, wind 'er up > to 7000 rpm with the RIGHT palm, then simultaneously pick both legs up, > release the front brake, drop the clutch, and scream "Waaaahoooo". > > Bob Ray > -- ------------------------------------------------------ |Ramin Keyvan | Voice: 415-846-5169 | |Member Technical Staff/ | FAX: 415-846-1228 | |Release Group | Main #:415-846-5000 | |ramin@tibco.com | Beeper:800-SKY-GRAM | |http://www.tibco.com | Beeper Pin #: 471-3186# | ------------------------------------------------------ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 14:05:31 -0400 From: Jason Grant To: Bob Ray , PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: Starting Uphill. I followed your suggested technique and estimate that other than going 0-80 (while in a school zone) in about 6 seconds, losing six months worth of rear tire tread, having my vision gray out around the edges (and possibly a bit of relativistic red-distortion) I found that many sport bike rides suddenly were following me around, smiling, doing wheelies and asking where they could by a PC. Bob Ray wrote: > > > > At my beginning MSF , I was taught left foot down and right on the > brake. > > > Vince > > > > Pull the clutch lever in with the LEFT hand, snick it into first with > the > LEFT foot, clamp the front brake down with the RIGHT fingers, wind 'er > up > to 7000 rpm with the RIGHT palm, then simultaneously pick both legs > up, > release the front brake, drop the clutch, and scream "Waaaahoooo". > > Bob Ray -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 11:25:58 -0700 From: PILEWIS1 To: Jason Grant CC: Bob Ray , PC800 Subject: Re: PC800: Starting Uphill. Jason Grant wrote: > > I followed your suggested technique and estimate that other than going > 0-80 (while in a school zone) in about 6 seconds, losing six months > worth of rear tire tread, having my vision gray out around the edges > (and possibly a bit of relativistic red-distortion) I found that many > sport bike rides suddenly were following me around, smiling, doing > wheelies and asking where they could by a PC. > > Bob Ray wrote: I WANT PICTURES!!! :)))))))))))))))))))))))))) > > > > > > > At my beginning MSF , I was taught left foot down and right on the > > brake. > > > > > Vince > > > > > > > Pull the clutch lever in with the LEFT hand, snick it into first with > > the > > LEFT foot, clamp the front brake down with the RIGHT fingers, wind 'er > > up > > to 7000 rpm with the RIGHT palm, then simultaneously pick both legs > > up, > > release the front brake, drop the clutch, and scream "Waaaahoooo". > > > > Bob Ray > -- ******************** * * * Phil Lewis * * So-Cal * * '90 PC * * "Delta Red" * * Enjoying The Ride! * * * ******************** -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bob Ray" To: "Ramin Keyvan" Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: Starting Uphill. Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 13:32:11 -0500 Ramin Keyvan writes: > yeah!! Why don't you try that on some of our hills here in San Francisco and > you can truly test the aerodynamic qualities of the PC ;). And then when you > bring her in for a landing you can test the efficacy of the PC's braking system > on street surfaces comprised of part asphalt, part old cobble-stone. Talk about > your "Waaaahoooo"! Of-course the idea is to get her hauled down to zero mph > before you skid into the intersection at the bottom of the hill where a Muni > bus is just waiting to take you out! ;) > I DID!!!! I was at Stewards Point last week. And Avenue of the Giants. And 101 and Highway 1. I followed Mike Heran (one of your local hotshoes) around. He's one hell of a rider. Touched a knee down coming back from Stewards Point (take the road straight back to 101 for a treat) on a fast lefthand sweeper, hanging off the (wobbling) bike at full throttle. Scrubbed in my tires pretty good out there. Bob Ray -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id OyP23440; Tue, 09 Sep 1997 14:48:51 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 11:45:30 -0700 Subject: Re: PC800: Hondaline bags.... From: timmacy@juno.com (Timothy B Macy) On Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:06:03 -0400 Francois Saint Laurent writes: > I think you should follow the advice from the other post, about the FAQ for cats. Aha! To bring up yet again a belaboured point...I don't have an ISP! (Juno, y'know). I keep telling myself I've got to sign up for another one, but just haven't done it. So FAQs just won't work at the moment..... >Mine have a shiny coating on the interior. It looks like some sort of waterproof >coating. You may need to re-treat them for water resistance after you are done. Yeah, that was what brought me up short...I wasn't sure if washing would have an effect on that interior coating. Oh, yeah, and as far as the other (admittedly clever!) responses from Francois...I did ask for that, didn't I? :-}} I'll try'n soak it in a mild solution first, and if that doesn't work I may have to go back to David (Williamson's) age-old remedy of tomato juice. Oh, yes, Dave, unfortunately I had first-hand contact (twice) with skunks as a kid! I was the one who HAD to see how close he could get. Tomato juice works. As for the clothesline? it's in use. I'm hanging the cat with that..... Tim -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:58:16 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: Hondaline bags.... I've mailed Tim the relevant portion of the relevant FAQ. -dan -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m3.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id OBJ00242; Tue, 09 Sep 1997 14:57:54 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: timmacy@juno.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 11:38:09 -0700 Subject: Re: PC800: Hondaline bags.... From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy) Tim, I washed mine once, Tim - no problem. I used the "gentle" cycle as a precaution, but I don't think it was necessary. Suggestion - put the cat in with it. Richard Hardy, San Diego rahardy@juno.com On Mon, 8 Sep 1997 23:30:30 -0700 timmacy@juno.com (Timothy B Macy) writes: >I've got a pair of the Hondalines, and one of our (male) cats decided >to uh, "baptize" one of the bags with a liberal sprinkling of >less-than-holy water. > >Can't find any washing instructions on the bags, and I was concerned >about how a run through the washing machine might be a bit hard on >them. Is my concern misplaced? Has anyone washed theirs? > >Any and all advice definitely appreciated. Any and all smartass cracks >definitely expected! > >Tim >Portland, OR >'94 PC800--60,660 Miles of Smiles > >"I love California, I practically grew up in Phoenix." - Vice >President Dan Quayle >-- Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to >pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bob Ray" To: , "Timothy B Macy" Subject: Re: PC800: Hondaline bags.... Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 13:57:19 -0500 > As for the clothesline? it's in use. I'm hanging the cat with that..... > > Tim Best use for clothesline I've heard of yet! Bob Ray -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m3.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id PHO00242; Tue, 09 Sep 1997 15:10:55 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: timmacy@juno.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:07:38 -0700 Subject: Re: PC800: Hondaline bags.... From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy) Tim, I'm glad this guy wrote and the matter of the coating was brought up. Warm or cool water is ok, but not hot, and especially DONT USE THE DRYER. I forgot to state that. Richard Hardy, San Diego rahardy@juno.com On Tue, 9 Sep 1997 11:45:30 -0700 timmacy@juno.com (Timothy B Macy) writes: >On Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:06:03 -0400 Francois Saint Laurent > writes: >> I think you should follow the advice from the other post, about the >FAQ for cats. > >Aha! To bring up yet again a belaboured point...I don't have an ISP! >(Juno, y'know). I keep telling myself I've got to sign up for another >one, but just haven't done it. So FAQs just won't work at the >moment..... > >>Mine have a shiny coating on the interior. It looks like some sort of >waterproof >coating. You may need to re-treat them for water >resistance after you are done. > >Yeah, that was what brought me up short...I wasn't sure if washing >would have an effect on that interior coating. > >Oh, yeah, and as far as the other (admittedly clever!) responses from >Francois...I did ask for that, didn't I? :-}} > >I'll try'n soak it in a mild solution first, and if that doesn't work >I may have to go back to David (Williamson's) age-old remedy of tomato >juice. Oh, yes, Dave, unfortunately I had first-hand contact (twice) >with skunks as a kid! I was the one who HAD to see how close he could >get. Tomato juice works. > > As for the clothesline? it's in use. I'm hanging the cat with >that..... > >Tim >-- Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to >pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 18:19:01 -0400 From: "James A. Gilson" To: PC800 Mail Group Subject: PC800: Hello All Hi to all fellow PC800 fans- I am the proud owner of an '89 beauty that I found in the paper just waiting for me. I have been riding it for about four weeks now in the better weather and am very happy about my descision to get a PC. I enjoy reading everyone's mail and look forward to communicating with some of you. So, here's a question: Anyone with some experience on purchase/installation of a two-way radio? I am thinking CB but Motorola has a very attractive 2 watt unit that can also be used off the bike. I will be doing a New England fall ride with a friend and want to make a good choice before too long. Any comments greatly appreciated! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 18:51:27 -0400 From: Steve Carr To: PC800 Mailing List Subject: PC800: Microfiche Part III Just upped pages 53-76 (out of 97) to http://www.concentric.net/~fastcarr/ These files are only for people who own the PC800 microfiche for years 89,90,94,95. Steve -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id VjE04250; Tue, 09 Sep 1997 21:04:29 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: indian@starklite.com, indian@dorje.com Subject: PC800: Photos of Red Cloud From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 21:04:29 EDT Not long ago I promised pictures of Red Cloud, my 1946 Indian Chief motorcycle to a chap who was going to scan them onto a web site. I should be picking them up at the fotog's on 9/10 and am so embarrassed to report that sadly I have lost that chap's name and address. If you are out there and are still of a mind to receive and post a pic or two please respond by return e-mail. Apologies. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 21:20:47 -0400 To: timmacy@juno.com (Timothy B Macy), pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "David L. Williamson" Subject: Re: PC800: Hondaline bags.... Tim ... Just don't try to dry the cat in the microwave! Dave At 11:45 AM 9/9/97 -0700, Timothy B Macy wrote: > > > As for the clothesline? it's in use. I'm hanging the cat with that..... > >Tim >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: LRaeMiller@aol.com by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA08767 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 23:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 23:12:14 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Need handlebar help Help! Yeah, I know this question comes up on a regular basis - but this time it's really serious. I love my Pacific Coast, but I now have tendonitis of my shoulder that is most likely attributable to the long reach to the handlebars. I almost didn't buy a PC because of this one thing. I'm 5'3" with long legs and short torso. I've put about 8000 miles on the bike this summer and the pain has increased after each long trip. Here are my options: We have a friend that could probably machine risers for the mount and give a little height to the bars, which would then enable us to drop them down as far as they will go. I've been riding with them tilted as far as the tank will allow now, and it helps a little. The other option would be to replace with Heli bars and replace all the switches, etc. that are built into the handlebar covers. Before I get into either option, I would like your input - do you think we will run into complication which would make this impossible? Would it completely ruin the look (and resale value) of the PC to change the appearance of the handlebars? It would be a shame to have to give up on this wonderful motorcycle and have to go to a different style of mc or, even worse, go back to being a passenger. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id XdT23440; Tue, 09 Sep 1997 23:15:19 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 19:03:50 -0700 Subject: Re: PC800: Hondaline bags.... From: timmacy@juno.com (Timothy B Macy) On Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:58:16 -0300 Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) writes: >I've mailed Tim the relevant portion of the relevant FAQ. -dan And much thanks to Dan for doing that. As I mentioned to him, that's why I love this list--people are always so willing to go the extra mile for others. I've also gotten some other really good suggestions for cleaning the bag. Thanks, all! As for the ISP? I used the web so much for information and business that I've been suffering withdrawal ever since. I'm either going with Concentric or MCI. Concentric's got a good rep (once again--a recommendation from another list denizen), but MCI's got a great "special" running--1st three months unlimited @$9.95/month. I'm such a cheapskate..... Tim Portland, OR '94 PC800--60,685 Miles of Smiles "I love California, I practically grew up in Phoenix." - Vice President Dan Quayle -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com by emout25.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA13297 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 23:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 23:50:05 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Foot Down; Feet Down Hi all: For those that care, the MSF recommends keeping the right foot on the brake lever until you are completely stopped, which of course means the left one has to come down to support the bike as you stop. The reasons for this are two: to build and maintain the habit of using both brakes so that you will use them both in an emergency situation and to build the habit of not releasing the rear brake until stopped to minimize the likelihood of a high siding during an inadvertent rear skid while stopping. Once you are stopped, there is no need to keep the right foot up (unless, of course, you are stopping on a hill). The MSF teaching beginning riders to always start with both feet down; so, those who have taken the MSF course should have been instructed to do so. The reason for this is that with both feet down, the bike can start of in an upright, balanced attitude; thus, minimizing the need for an immediate steering correction. Starting with one foot down requires that the bike be slightly off balance in the direction of the supporting foot. Therefore, when you start, you must make an immediate steering correction to restore the balance and regain a straight path (ever noticied a tendency to do a little S turn when you start off?). With a little experience, this correction is no problem, but beginning riders tend to oversteer and get off to a wobbly start. Such starts can produce anxiety, tension, and really poor learning. Starting with both feet down helps prevent this; so, that is what the instructors are supposed to teach in the course. An experienced rider can start with either foot down, and the MSF couldn't care less, unless that rider happens to be an instructor teaching their courses. Most good instructors tend to practice what they preach and use every day the techniques they teach. The techniques work great, and they lessen the chance of screwing up a demonstration by lapsing into the "wrong" technique in front of students. FWIW JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/970903) via SMTP id WAA12594; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 22:06:01 -0400 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'James A. Gilson'" Cc: "'PC800 List'" Subject: RE: PC800: Hello All Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 21:59:04 -0400 James A. Gilson asked: >Anyone with some experience on purchase/installation of a two-way >radio? James, I'm in the midst of a two-way evaluation myself. There is a good review of commercial 49 Mhz and Family band units in the September issue of "Rider" Mag. See responses from the group below to my imquiry. A couple of days ago, I tried the Radio Shack units referenced below in the 27Mhz section. Nice little radios but they did pick up quite a lot of ignition noise both from the PC800 and the Nighhawk (my wife's bike) and of course they only function PTT. Also, tonight we tried some 49Mhz personal comunicators from Radio Shack. These were the audionic units which do not use a conventional microphone but instead utilize a combination earphone and audionic sound pickup. The hearing-aid style earphone not only provides sound but also picks up speech vibrations from the wearers mastoid bone to feed the transmitter. The units have both PTT and VOX. I had hoped that since there was no exposed mic, the resistence of the units to wind noise might be good. Unfortunately, the VOX was routinely tripped by both engine and wind noise even at the lowest sensitivity setting. It was a great idea and would probably work too if the VOX sensitivity could be set low enough. Otherwise, these units are pretty typical of 49Mhz FM CB. The range is 1/4 mile at best but there was no ignition noise on either motorcycle. If you don't mind using PTT and having an earphone in your ear these units are a bargin at $90/pair and don't require any special wiring in your helmet. ***************************************************************** Having studied the review of bike-to-bike communicators in the September issue of "Rider", I think I going to buy the NADY PRC-9 set. Why? - best VOX of the bunch - also an intercom for two-up riding - unobtrusive form factor - it will work with the mics and speakers already installed in our helmets - low cost ($210 for the pair from Chapparal) Of course the downside is the limited power of 49Mhz transcievers. Since I expect Nancy and I will stick pretty closely together, the 1/4 mile range should be OK. Does anyone have any experience with these units? Any other opinions? Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net ------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PETER NOETH, SR. SYSTEMS ENGINEER, GPS-SFO X5567 [SMTP:PETER_N1@sfov1.verifone.com] Sent: Monday, September 08, 1997 6:19 AM To: jrandall@tricon.net Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: communicators Jim, I have not had experience with this particular model, but have used the Maxon units. The only problem you will encounter is a lot of interference from Baby Monitors, Cordless Phones (the handset part is on 49Mhz), and to a lesser extent the cheap kids walkie-talkies. This problem is more apparent in residential areas, get out into the rural areas and it pretty much goes away. I have had a number of problems being able to talk to my friends (even on bicycles) because of the interference. The natural ability for FM (Frequency Modulation) to lock onto the stronger signal made communication practically impossible because of the other signals on these frequencies, unless we were within 2 car lengths when traveling on the freeways that cut through residential areas. My experience is that you will not be able to realize the full 1/4 mile range unless you are in a non-populated area. My advice is to get units that have at least 5 channels you can select from so you can dodge other users as much as possible. Regards, Peter ------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Eric Matthews [SMTP:ericeric@concentric.net] Sent: Saturday, September 06, 1997 2:58 AM To: Jim Randall Cc: 'PC800 List' Subject: Re: PC800: communicators Jim, I recommend against the Nady units. The Nady's I had were junk, but even worse was Nady's "customer service". They were unable to fix my defective units, and kept them for two months each time I sent them in for repairs. Eric ------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BJack40L@aol.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: 97-08-17 08:01:23 EDT Jim Hyder wrote asking if anyone knew of K & J cycle sounds: I purchased a system from them 2 years ago for $180 and found it to be very satisfactory especialy considering the price. Barry, my main riding buddy, bought his last fall for $150 and his was a improved version. Where mine output 25 watts per channel, his put out 50 watts per channel. I think his speakers were an improvement over mine too. The kit included speaker grills that were obviously home made but they look great installed. Thry were painted to match the dash panel. This year we bought MAXON personal communicators from them. We each paid $100 incl postage. For that we got units with helmet ready headsets, additional helmet headsets for passengers, and handle bar PTT switches (that we dont use). They can be switched to five different 49mhz channels which comes in handywhen I lend out my old NADY unit that only gets channel B or when we ride with Doug whose NADY only gets C band. The bike to bike transmission is okay as long as we stay within 3 or 4 blocks distance. The rider to passenger conversaton is pretty clear. In VOX mode, be mindful whether the bike to bike is on or off. The other day Barry's wife said some things about Doug's new girlfriend that were not intended for tranmission over the airwaves! They have an interesting marketing strategy. After I purchased my system, They sent me a letter offering to pay a commission for referral customers. I give a copy of the offer letter with my customer number to other PC'ers. They sent me $10 when Barry bought his system. They also paid me $10 when some guy I dont even remember meeting purchased this spring. They offer a $5 commission on the Maxon units, but I havent rec'd any commissions for those yet. If i had my thinking cap on , we could have cross referred each other and collected commissions when barry and I bought ours. I personally don't se why anyone cares to listen to Cb chatter, But they also offer one of those 40 channel CB/weather band radios som of the guys have been asking about. Their unit is designed to be worn on the waist and has a helmet headset with Vox and PTT. It runs on batteries and also comes with a cig ltr plug. The price is $210 including shipping. If any of you decide to write them for more info, please tell them you were referred by Jack Bentley customer #1041. ***************************************************************** Relative to 27Mhz AM CB : Actually, another alternative I've been considering is CB. I have no interest in monitoring channel 19 but there are 39 more and one can usually find a relatively quiet one. Radio Shack has a self contained 5 watt/40 channel unit which is about 2"x1.5"x 9". It has a belt clip and comes with a "rubber ducky" antenna but can be attached to more substantial one. It also has remote mic, speaker and PTT jacks (it's designed to work with a label mic/speaker). It shouldn't be TOO hard to convert helmet mics/speakers to work. It also has a power input for 13.8 vdc so they will operate on their internal batteries or on the PCs power system. The downside is there is no VOX and the connection to the helmet mics/speakers would have to be homebrewed. It might even be possible to buy or build an "inline" VOX. Also, spark noise from could be a problem since since 27Mhz CB is AM. The upside is that the range of the 5 watt transmitter should be MUCH better than 49mhz units even with the little antenna, you have 40 channels to choose from and you could talk to the Wingers and other CB users if you so desire. Right now the local Radio Shack has these units on sale for $100 each. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net ------------------------------------------------------- I have found a product that is specificly made for CB hand helds or HT ham radios. It has 1 ear speaker with boom mike, PTT switch handle bar mount,and is made to be installed in full face motorcycle helmets. The wire plugs fit the radio shack hand held CB and non Kenwood 2 meter ham HT radios. It is made by Comet , part #BJP514 Price $69.95 and can be ordered from Amateur Electronic Supply 1-800-558-0411 Hope this helps............... Dan Moranz Landrum, S.C. KF4RVQ ------------------------------------------------------- J. MARK VENABLE wrote: > > My CB set up is a Maxxon walky-talky style unit velcro'ed to the glove box lid > and a set of J&M helmet speakers and mike (in a Shoie RF 200 full face helmet). > The kit is available from Sierra Electronics (513) 335-8939. They sell a > variety of communications gear with all the adapters to make it work on a > motorcycle. I haven't had any problem with ignition noise interference. > I just installed the walkie-talkie type unit from Sierra Electronics on my PC and have had no problem with ignition noise. I also installed a full size antenna using their license plate mounting kit and routed the coax cable inside the body panels exiting on the dash. It all seems to work fine. BTW my unit is made by Midland not Maxxon. Is that perhaps what you meant? Steve Churchill ***************************************************************** Both Maxxon and Nady have web sites. Good luck and I'd be interested in any further information you find. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 02:45:59 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 02:40:02 -0400 From: "Dana L. Sawyer" Subject: PC800: Attn: Jeffrey Guntert To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Help! I attempted to send a message to you about VDO gauges, but it was undeliverable. Please send me another message and I'll try again. Thanks! Dana Sawyer -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m3.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id QmN08062; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:01:27 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: LRaeMiller@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:03:35 -0700 Subject: Re: PC800: Need handlebar help From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy) As I've stated before on here, that's also my one complaint with the PC, as it somewhat spoils the touring aspect of the bike. Heli-bars does not make them for the PC. The way I see it, considering that some components depend on the plastic for support, the plastic would have to be discarded, and a new set of bars made with provision to attach the components. Rueben White of NoCal has made his own bars to solve the same problem on his ST (for which Heli-Bars are made, but Rueben wasn't satisfied with them). Of course, this would degrade the bike's looks somewhat, but I would certainly accept that. I think that raising the bars without any set-back would help very little. I understand what you're saying - that raising the bars and then pivoting them down (mine are already at the maximum 3:00 o'clock point on the arc) would allow a more upright position, but I think it would be very little. When I have time, I'll draw it out with compass and triangle and try to figure just how much it would help. If your friend can make risers, why can't he incorporate a set-back also? I don't see how he can do it, with that plastic. But, perhaps if he doesn't know he can't , he can. Richard Hardy, San Diego rahardy@juno.com On Tue, 9 Sep 1997 23:12:14 -0400 (EDT) LRaeMiller@aol.com writes: >Help! > >Yeah, I know this question comes up on a regular basis - but this time >it's >really serious. >I love my Pacific Coast, but I now have tendonitis of my shoulder that >is >most likely attributable to the long reach to the handlebars. I >almost >didn't buy a PC because of this one thing. I'm 5'3" with long legs >and short >torso. I've put about 8000 miles on the bike this summer and the pain >has >increased after each long trip. >Here are my options: >We have a friend that could probably machine risers for the mount and >give a >little height to the bars, which would then enable us to drop them >down as >far as they will go. I've been riding with them tilted as far as the >tank >will allow now, and it helps a little. >The other option would be to replace with Heli bars and replace all >the >switches, etc. that are built into the handlebar covers. >Before I get into either option, I would like your input - do you >think we >will run into complication which would make this impossible? Would it >completely ruin the look (and resale value) of the PC to change the >appearance of the handlebars? >It would be a shame to have to give up on this wonderful motorcycle >and have >to go to a different style of mc or, even worse, go back to being a >passenger. >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jfmoemd@aol.com by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id QAA01986 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:35:53 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re:Name of the windscreen edging that deflects the airflow? Hi All! I just saw that name today but now I can't find it. Anyone recall it? John in Indy -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John J. Scalisi" To: "PC800 Mail List" Subject: PC800: Handlebars Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:03:37 -0400 Is it possible to adjust the handlebars on the PC800? I'm a new owner (2.5 months) and haven't looked under the plastic that covers them yet. I would imagine the amount of adjustment is limited if the plastic covering is to remain intact. Please advise how or if it can be done? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'Jfmoemd@aol.com'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Re:Name of the windscreen edging that deflects the air flow? Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 18:16:06 -0700 SAENG ending. Offered on the web from Sport Touring Accessories at http://www.dnet.net/~pemble/ -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft, Redmond, WA AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140/STOC 478 '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" '96 Honda ST1100 ALT "TruST" ---------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jfmoemd@aol.com [SMTP:Jfmoemd@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 1997 1:36 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re:Name of the windscreen edging that deflects the airflow? Hi All! I just saw that name today but now I can't find it. Anyone recall it? John in Indy -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jfmoemd@aol.com by emout28.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA21963; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:26:21 -0400 (EDT) To: raybob@hiwaay.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, timmacy@juno.com Subject: Re: PC800: Hondaline bags.... Meow MEYOW! I'm callin' the SPCA! John's cat Samantha -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m3.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id WZM08062; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:01:52 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: jscalisi@snet.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:43:01 -0700 Subject: Re: PC800: Handlebars From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy) Sure, remove the three pieces of plastic under the dash (guages), left, right & center, loosen the clamp nuts, and they will pivot up and down. That's the only adjustment. It will not bother the plastic on the bars. Richard Hardy, San Diego rahardy@juno.com On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:03:37 -0400 "John J. Scalisi" writes: >Is it possible to adjust the handlebars on the PC800? I'm a new owner >(2.5 >months) and haven't looked under the plastic that covers them yet. I >would >imagine the amount of adjustment is limited if the plastic covering is >to >remain intact. Please advise how or if it can be done? > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:58:19 -0700 From: PILEWIS1 To: "David M. Dirig" CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: backrest David M. Dirig wrote: > > hi Phil, > > I emailed you once before with a PC question. I noticed that several of > the PC's with stock seats on your web site have back rests. I'm trying to > track down the manufacturer of these. I guess Corbin doesn;t make a > backrest; who does? Can you help? Any info greatly appreciated. > > Thanx > > David and Dori Dirig Hi David! I can't help, but perhaps some of our other rides can answer David's question. Take care, Phil -- ******************** * * * Phil Lewis * * So-Cal * * '90 PC * * "Delta Red" * * Enjoying The Ride! * * * ******************** -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JeffHamltn@aol.com by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id BAA10480 for pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 01:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 01:24:52 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Glove Review I've been meaning to buy new gloves since my accident damaged my old gloves, Bates Deerskin. They were very comfortable except for 2 features: the wrist strap made them difficult to put on and there is a hard plastic pad in the heel of the glove between 2 layers of leather. It's intended to provide extra impact resistance, and it does, but it's also a bit noticeable. I decided to get a pair of short summer gloves and bought some I found at my local Honda shop. They are thin deerskin gloves made by the Churchill Glove Co. of Centralia, Washington. They are quite supple and comfortable, though my mediums are just barely big enough. My only other complaint is that the wrist opening is quite tight so getting them on and off is difficult. I also bought a pair of Thurlow 511Gs, the standard touring gauntlet, with 2 modifications: a knuckle pad and a palm pad. They don't come with the gloves but they were on the Bates and I appreciated the extra protection. I received the gloves after about 3 weeks. I've been wearing them for about 3 weeks now and have mixed feelings as compared to the Bates. The Bates gloves use external seams virtually throughout, so they are very smooth and comfortable on your hands. Thurlow uses internal seams which are more abrasion resistant but less comfortable. I've been surprised, though, about how comfortable they are in spite of this. They are easier to get on than the Bates because the gauntlet is so large--it slips right over my Aero- stitch. They are also more expensive than the Bates by about $30 with the mods I ordered (which added features which come standard on the Bates). The only problem I've had is that the palm pad covered more of the palm than I cared for and it also went up the inside of the thumb. I asked that the pad only cover the outside edge of my hand and the fleshy part under the thumb. Kim at Thurlow removed the part on the thumb for $10 in 15 minutes-- thank you for the quick repair! If anyone is shopping for gloves, I hope the information is useful. Jeff Hamilton -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id CoY05075; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:41:51 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:41:14 -0700 Subject: PC800: Re: backrest From: timmacy@juno.com (Timothy B Macy) On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:58:19 -0700 PILEWIS1 writes: >David M. Dirig wrote: >I noticed that several of the PC's with stock seats on your web site have back rests. >I'm trying to track down the manufacturer of these. I guess Corbin doesn't make a >backrest; who does? Can you help? Any info greatly appreciated. I couldn't tell from the tone of the post whether you wanted to know about the back rest for the driver or the passenger, so I'll cover both. Honda does make a backrest for the passenger, although it is more of a "safety net" than a backrest, since it is no more than lower-back high. Some people have had problems with having broken supports, if I've read the mail right. We've got one on the StealthMobile, but have had no problems with it. But Nan doesn't really lean back on it; she just appreciates its presence. Utopia Products, 3867 West Market, #202, Akron, OH 44333 (216) 666-2602 makes a driver's backrest that's matched to your stock seat. It's adjustable and folds forward to facilitate a passenger's access to the back seat. They also make a passenger backrest that matches the driver's rest, and it's set higher than the Honda backrest for more passenger comfort. Give 'em a call, they're really nice people and will send you further info. I keep saying I'm going to get one...if I'd slow down long enough to do something about it! Maybe this winter..... Tim Portland, OR '94 PC800--60,685 Miles of Smiles "I love California, I practically grew up in Phoenix." - Vice President Dan Quayle -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jfmoemd@aol.com by emout29.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id CAA26290 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:49:50 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re:Name of the windscreen edging that deflects the airflow? Hi All! I just saw that name today but now I can't find it. Anyone recall it? John in Indy -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id GIF21671; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 06:20:40 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net Cc: ddirig@ucsd.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, mickeymatt@clearnet.net Subject: PC800: Re: backrest From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 06:20:40 EDT Write mickeymatt@clearnet.net who has the plans for Stan's high backrest you saw on the red PC with the beautiful 50ish lady standing behind it (that is my wife, Carolyn) and perhaps for a reasonable sum mickeymatt will mail you said plan on 8.5x11 pages that you tape together. Take the taped plan to a metal place and have them cut you out the backplane of 1/4 inch aluminum (mickey did it in wood but je prefere aluminum) and then smooth the edges nicely. Next go to a place which sells foam and get 4" foam and cut that out to fit the aluminum. Then get a stock backrest kit (make sure they order the right one for your bike---my 96 did not fit with an earlier backrest kit) from your Honda dlr. Install kit and remove the backrest pad and then drive to your friendly upholstery shop with the backplane & the foam and have them build a cover. My south American contact did not have the brain function to realize that he would have to make holes for the brackets and crudely cut them in when I brought the bike back. Fortunately the holes do not show. I asked him to put a zipper in so I could glue the foam to the aluminum and then zip the cover over, but he chose to go his own route and put two hard to fasten snaps at the bottom. All is well that ends well. From time to time remove the cover and inspect the welded joints as some have been cracking and breaking. Mine are doing fine so far. If you find any rust in the area of the weld, sand and paint! On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:58:19 -0700 PILEWIS1 writes: >David M. Dirig wrote: >> >> hi Phil, >> >> I emailed you once before with a PC question. I noticed that >several of >> the PC's with stock seats on your web site have back rests. I'm >trying to >> track down the manufacturer of these. I guess Corbin doesn;t make a >> backrest; who does? Can you help? Any info greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanx >> >> David and Dori Dirig > >Hi David! > >I can't help, but perhaps some of our other rides can answer David's >question. > >Take care, > >Phil Lewis * >* So-Cal * >* '90 PC * >* "Delta Red" * >* Enjoying The Ride! * > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id HAA13533 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:09:53 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Roger Prince Roger, I saw a red 1990 PC 800 in the 4400 parking lot this afternoon and have to assume that it is yours. Looks great! Sorry I missed you. Regards, <> (At the Residence Inn) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:06:51 -0400 From: "Gordon B. Frank" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Glove Review +The deer skin work gloves at Home Depot are fantastic. I wouldn't have believed how comfortable and what a difference in a long ride that they would make on my last trip to Cinti. (thru deals gap w/camping at the Cumberland Gap National Historic Park). I'll try the new Cherohala Freeway road next week. JeffHamltn@aol.com wrote: > I've been meaning to buy new gloves since my accident damaged > my old gloves, Bates Deerskin. They were very comfortable except > for 2 features: the wrist strap made them difficult to put on and there > is a hard plastic pad in the heel of the glove between 2 layers of > leather. It's intended to provide extra impact resistance, and it does, > but it's also a bit noticeable. > > I decided to get a pair of short summer gloves and bought some I > found at my local Honda shop. They are thin deerskin gloves made by > the Churchill Glove Co. of Centralia, Washington. They are quite supple > and comfortable, though my mediums are just barely big enough. My only > other complaint is that the wrist opening is quite tight so getting them > on and off is difficult. > > I also bought a pair of Thurlow 511Gs, the standard touring gauntlet, with > 2 modifications: a knuckle pad and a palm pad. They don't come with the > gloves but they were on the Bates and I appreciated the extra protection. > I received the gloves after about 3 weeks. I've been wearing them for about > 3 weeks now and have mixed feelings as compared to the Bates. The Bates > gloves use external seams virtually throughout, so they are very smooth> and comfortable on your hands. Thurlow uses internal seams which are> more abrasion resistant but less comfortable. I've been surprised, though,> about how comfortable they are in spite of this. They are easier to get on> than the Bates because the gauntlet is so large--it slips right over my Aero-> stitch. They are also more expensive than the Bates by about $30 with> the mods I ordered (which added features which come standard on the Bates). > The only problem I've had is that the palm pad covered more of the palm than I cared for and it also went up the inside of the thumb. I asked that the pad only cover the outside edge of my hand and the fleshy part under the thumb. Kim at Thurlow removed the part on the thumb for $10 in 15 minutes-- thank you for the quick repair! > f anyone is shopping for gloves, I hope the information is useful. Jeff Hamilton> -- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:21:05 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Glove Review Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:11:23 -0400 Gordon, Is it OK to buy motorcycle gloves at Home Depot? Vince ---------- > +The deer skin work gloves at Home Depot are fantastic. I wouldn't have > believed how comfortable and what a difference in a long ride that they -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jgeist.lubtx@door.net (Jgeist Lubtx) Subject: PC800: Anyone w/ plastic problems? Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:00:01 GMT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hello all. I have a question that is kinda hard to explain. When I bought my bike, about 4 months ago, the body was very tight. All the seams met each other snuggly (Is snuggly a word?). As time goes by, it looks like the seams are spreading apart a little. The body panels do not feel loose, but some do not meet each other like when I bought it. Here's an example: the strip that run's across the front, under the windshield, is pulling away from where is meet's the top leg area of the faring. Am I making any sense? Also, the seam where the bottom of the black glove box area comes together with the body plastic look's to be growing. I told ya it would be hard to explain. The problem is not really bad right now, but I'm afraid it will grow as time goes by. One might think the hot Texas sun might be causing my problem, but my PC is always covered or in the garage. Any comments or suggestion's would be greatly appreciated. James Lubbock, Tx. '90 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:24:02 PT From: "PETER NOETH, SR. SYSTEMS ENGINEER, GPS-SFO X5567" Subject: Re: PC800: Anyone w/ plastic problems? To: jgeist.lubtx@door.net Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu /FONT=Courier-Bold/LINES=66/LEFT_MARGIN=36/CALCULATE/TOP_MARGIN=36/BOTTOM_MARGIN=36 James, I know what you mean. I have a 1996 (new in the crate) model I bought a month ago and have noticed some seperation of body panels. Mostly at the crash bar covers. The fit and function of the many plastic tabs that interlock the panels is not very good, and I expect that vibration causes some of them to move and unlock from each other. Especially if the panels are not perfect (slightly warped or otherwise not true). I had the dealer install a Honda tall windshield as a warrenty replacement of the stock windshield and when I became dissatisfied with it, changed it back myself for the stock shield. In the process of removing the front windshield trim you mentioned, I discovered that the little plastic tabs were all but broken off from the trim panel being improperly installed from the dealer switch of the windshields. I am very hesitant now about having the dealer do maintanence work that involves removing body panels as they may not take the same care or time I would to remove and replace. And once these little tabs have been broken off and lost, it is very difficult to replace their functionality. I believe there have been a few other postings on the message archives about the ease of which these little tabs break. Regards, Peter -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Bob Ray" To: "Jgeist Lubtx" , Subject: Re: PC800: Anyone w/ plastic problems? Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:26:59 -0500 James of Lubbock Texas asks: > The problem > is not really bad right now, but I'm afraid it will grow as time > goes by. One might think the hot Texas sun might be causing my problem, > but my PC is always covered or in the garage. Any comments or > suggestion's would be greatly appreciated. Do you ever ride it? I'd bet its a bear to ride when it's covered... and I'd surely get tired of moving it about the garage. Seriously, when I got mine, the front cowling was kinda screwy. It bound on the right side vent cover and fit fine on the left. There were gaps on the winglets, etc. A couple of Wing-owners told me that their bikes had similar problems but that getting replacement parts (under warranty) from Honda didn't help because of paint matching problems and sun fading. OTOH, you may just be experiencing some loosening of the bolts that hold all the plastic on. You might try pulling the plastic off in the order outlined in the owner's manual and ensuring that all the bolts are snugged up properly when you reassemble it. One little trick to ease this reassembly is to dampen (i.e. spit) on the various little plastic tangs before you pop 'em back in. This will help prevent breaking them if you don't get them lined up JUST SO and whack them JUST RIGHT. And (but you probably know this) don't put locktite on any bolt which contacts plastic -- it'll eat right through it. Mine is sitting on my dealer's showroom, covered with 10,000 miles of bugs, and a broken left turnsignal/mirror. Proudly. Even though the plastic doesn't fit quite right. Bob Ray -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id SpM21671; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:23:49 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: indian@starklite.com, indian@dorje.com Subject: PC800: To the guys to whom I promised photos. From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:23:49 EDT I did not realize how bad film can be but the can I had from Seattle film labs was awful. Then too, with taking pictures with a flash in the dark messes up the camera as it does not know how to expose itself. :) Worse, there were overexposures and twilight messes and Red Cloud looked like it was painted with tomato soup. Then I had them developed at Rite Aid and took the cheap and quick option. So late this afternoon I got Kodak 200 Gold and redid the pics in the sun with no flash and put my ugly puss in some of them So I am to go back to the neighborhood photo shop and he will have my prints by 7PM and they will go in the morning mail. Needless to say I am excited to think that Red Cloud will be on the internet. Later, and thanx. Rocky -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jgeist.lubtx@door.net (Jgeist Lubtx) Subject: PC800: More plastic problems Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 23:37:40 GMT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I forgot to ask when I wrote earlier. The plastic cover on the right handlebar is very loose. What keeps this on? It's not coming apart, but moves around a little. No, alot. I guess I'll have to break down and buy a PC repair manual. Thank's in advance. James Lubbock, Tx. '90 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mashaw@mindspring.com (Monty Shaw) To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Handlebars Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 00:20:58 GMT >From rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy) Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:43:01 -0700 See my comments in/after your email. - ]Monty[ "Sure, remove the three pieces of plastic under the dash (guages), left, "right & center, loosen the clamp nuts, and they will pivot up and down. "That's the only adjustment. It will not bother the plastic on the bars. " "Richard Hardy, San Diego "rahardy@juno.com " Thank you, Thank You, Thank you. Did I say Thanks? Man what a difference that makes. I lowered the bars all the way, and now the bike feels even more perfect. I just figured I was a little too small for the bike. The last owner must have had longer arms than me and the bars were pushed up and forward as far as they would go. Now they are as low and as far back as they go. What a difference. The bike feels so much lighter and responsive. I can turn at low speeds so much easier. By the way, I just took off the center piece and loosened the bolts, moved the bars, and tightened it up. I didn't need to take the left and right pieces off. Man, this list is GREAT! ]Monty[ 89 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jfmoemd@aol.com by emin37.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA19249; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 20:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 20:48:00 -0400 (EDT) To: timmacy@juno.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Utopia Site Hey Tim! Here's the Utopia Acces sories address. They have a nice little online catalog. See ya, John in Indy -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jfmoemd@aol.com by mb05.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA08786; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 20:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 20:48:09 -0400 (EDT) To: timmacy@juno.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Utopia Site Hey Tim! Here's the Utopia Acces sories address. They have a nice little online catalog. See ya, John in Indy -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m3.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id VlW29164; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:30:11 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: mashaw@mindspring.com Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:27:24 -0700 Subject: Re: PC800: Handlebars From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy) Your welcome, your welcome, your welcome! Richard Hardy, San Diego rahardy@juno.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PRGormley@aol.com by emin37.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA23681 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:38:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:38:40 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Glad to be here I've been lurking the list for a while and now, recently having come into a PC800, thought I'd try to lurk less and join more. Name: Paul Gormley Location: Marblehead, Massachusetts Email: prgormley@aol.com, gormley@compuserve.com, prgormley@northshorelaw.com PC Model year (if you have one): 1994 Bought Used/New: Used Modifications made to bike: None Saw an ad for a 94 PC800 in my local WantAdvertiser two days before I went on vacation. Listed as 14K miles for $3000. I called and asked point blank: "Why so cheap?" I had looked at a '90 a few days earlier that was listing for a justified $4200. The owner had recently been laid off and had a credit card bill due for $3000, so ... I thought about it overnight, called his local shop for maintenance info, bought it the next day. I'm an attorney here in Salem, Massachusetts (feel free to visit at www.northshorelaw.com for the weekly lawyer joke) and needed to carry case materials and my IBM laptop in some reasonable manner, the PC 800 was perfect. As I am an attorney and the 94 color was black, you can call my ride the Dark Knight. I'm thinking about extending the windshield with the Saeng stuff that's been mentioned recently (comments and advice are welcome) and am looking into a backrest for my daughter and wife. Down the line I'll think about intercoms and audio. Glad to be on board. - PRG -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id BFM16855; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 01:34:52 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:00:36 -0700 Subject: Re: PC800: Glad to be here From: timmacy@juno.com (Timothy B Macy) On Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:38:40 -0400 (EDT) PRGormley@aol.com writes: >Saw an ad for a 94 PC800 in my local WantAdvertiser two days before I went on >vacation. Listed as 14K miles for $3000... >I thought about it overnight... I have but one question, Paul. Why did it take thinking about it overnight???!!! :-}} Welcome aboard! And congrats on getting the "best year" out there! OBTW, get the Saeng...it works...! Tim Portland, OR '94 PC800--60,750 Miles of Smiles "I love California, I practically grew up in Phoenix." - Vice President Dan Quayle -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by x18.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id BFP16855; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 01:34:53 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:34:10 -0700 Subject: PC800: New Tire, New Problem. From: timmacy@juno.com (Timothy B Macy) Got the rear skin replaced today. Called all over Portland; couldn't find a rear Dunlop K177 anywhere (Yes, Wanda, even called Aurora Cycle!). The guy at St. John's Honda called me back; he found one in his upstairs inventory....sold it to me for $119.70! I took it over to Gary at Cycle Metric (on Wanda's advice)...nice guy! When he put the tire on he also greased up the spline for me...and he said the spline was DRY. It had sustained a slight amount of wear, but nothing to worry about. I had been concerned, though, because just this morning I was riding over to his shop when the bike kinda surged like it had slipped out of gear and back in again. I instantly thought "spline" and asked Gary to check it out when he changed the tire. I hate it when I'm right..... I found out something. If you're not doing it yourself, make sure you take it to someone that you trust WILL do it. I bought the last rear tire in Orlando in March; the guy assured me that he greased the spline. Gary says there was NO WAY he could have. They probably figured I couldn't come back and complain now, could I? (Pessimistic thought, isn't it?). OBTW, I had just hit the wear bars and the tire had 19,200 miles on it. Since I had +20K on the front when I replaced it, that certainly lends more credence to the theory that Dunlops are better "touring" tires than the Metzlers. Oh, yeah, the problem. My speedo's been bouncing for...like forever...at speeds up to about 40mph, but not too badly. Actually, it's been doing it ever since Beaverton Honda replaced the busted cable at 35K. Recently it started bouncing worse, so I asked Gary to take a look at it. He didn't get a chance to pull it completely out, so he lubed it best he could from the "tire" end. Well, it still bounces, and...I think it's binding just enough to throw off the reading. When I went on an errand tonight, I was in a 55mph zone, so I took it up to between 55-60 on the speedometer. And I noted that my revs were over 5K! So I went home and dragged Nan out of the house and into her car. We went out on Hwy 26 and she took it to 55, 60, and 65. I was reading 46, 50, and 54! On the way home we measured odometers from the same spot; I measured about 1.7 miles less than she did over a 10-mile stretch (which is a 17% error. I know some of you math whizzes were pulling out the calculators!) The only thing I can figure out is that the cable's binding just enough against the edge of the cable sheath that it's registering slower mph. Guess I'll have to take the whole thing out tomorrow and lube it up good, eh? If anyone else has other relevant advice, I'd love to hear it. Figure I've got to do something about it tomorrow morning; Nan and I were heading to Canada in the afternoon. It's hard enough to switch to kilometers/hour; I don't need to try and interpret that on a screwed-up speedometer! Tim Portland, OR '94 PC800--60,750 Miles of Smiles "I love California, I practically grew up in Phoenix." - Vice President Dan Quayle -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: myleslewis@juno.com by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id CiN10200; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 02:38:19 EDT To: bmwmc@world.std.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, BMW1RS@aol.com Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 23:27:42 -0700 Subject: PC800: BIking around Elko Hi Gang, I finally got the Intruder working Tuesday. It needed new plugs, the old ones were all fouled. The clutch still wasn't working right, so I took it ot al local bike shop Wed. They bled the clutch, checked other fluids, changed oil/filter and pronounced it fine. I've been riding after work yesterday and today and enjoying it. I'm taking it out for the day on Saturday. I can't wait. This is the first cruiser I've ridden since HD's in the early 70's. It's smooth, comfortable and fun to ride but I don't think I could do a 500-600 day like on my BMW or some other sport tourer. Glad I found out before I bought one. Still hope to buy a PC when I sell my BMW. Not much else is new. I expect to be out here atleast another month. Doesn't look like I'll make Fontana after all. No cheap flights out of here. Guess I'll have to take my 4 days off in the car. Plan to camp and sightsee. Talk to you later, ride safe, Myles ************** Myles Lewis of Bradenton, Florida, currently lost in Elko, NV, with no bike, no net access, no dog, but having a wonderful time anyway!!! AMA, BMWMOA, BMWRA, IBMWR, Florida SunBeemers -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m3.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id KFX12821; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:06:16 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: timmacy@juno.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:04:37 -0700 Subject: Re: PC800: New Tire, New Problem. From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy) Tim, I just had a speedo problem and it turned out to be the gear box assy (also called the speed-o driver) on the wheel. It's not too much of job to remove the cable completely if your hands are on the small side, (Nan's?) as mine are. I was able to reach up and unscrew it from the speedometer and then the left side wheel plastic has only two screws holding it. From there, it's one screw to remove the cable end from the wheel. With the cable in hand, you can turn the head end easily with your fingers. If you can't, it is binding. With the cable in hand, you can, of course easily give it a thorough cleaning and lubrication if it needs it. If it is not the cable, it most like is the gear assy - which I just had to replace at 74K. Of course, it could be the speedometer itself, but that's unlikely. Hope this helps. I'll be gone shortly - to Mammoth Lakes for an HSTA event. Take care. Richard Hardy, San Diego rahardy@juno.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:29:43 -0700 From: Alan Taylor To: Timothy B Macy CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: New Tire, New Problem. Timothy B Macy wrote: > When he put the tire on he also > greased up the spline for me...and he said the spline was DRY. It had > sustained a slight amount of wear, but nothing to worry about. I had been > concerned, though, because just this morning I was riding over to his > shop when the bike kinda surged like it had slipped out of gear and back > in again. I instantly thought "spline" and asked Gary to check it out > when he changed the tire. > Thanks for bringing that up Tim. I've been having a similar problem on my 95 with 20k miles. I've been calling it 'Clutch Bounce", although I think it's more likely due to the synchros in the gearbox not meshing completely. It's definitely not the splines. Failing to keep the splines lubricated wil increase shaft and final drive wear, but the only noticeable effect (other than drive failure) will be more slack in the gear train. Something like having a loose chain on a more primitive or American made bike. (No Names) What I'm experiencing only occurs on up shifts, usually the 1-2 or 2-3. The shift sounds solid, feels solid, but a few seconds later the bike will drop out of gear, and maybe drop back in again a time or two until I can throttle down and re-shift. It's been a fairly recent problem, and I'm wondering if any one in the group has had a similar experience. I'm hoping a linkage adjustment will fix it without having to tear down the transmission and replace the synchros, something i can't afford right now. Any ideas? Alan Taylor 95 pc800 "Midnnight" Long Beach, CA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:55:02 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Glad to be here Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:45:15 -0400 Paul, I agree with Tim. I would have bought it on the spot. Welcome to the list.I have thsi problem with the IRS that I need to discuss... just kidding Vince in Fort Myers, Fl > >I thought about it overnight... > > I have but one question, Paul. Why did it take thinking about it > overnight???!!! :-}} -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jfmoemd@aol.com by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA13961; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:08:25 -0400 (EDT) To: ka2wij@earthlink.net, timmacy@juno.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: New Tire, New Problem. Hi Alan! Now you have me worried! My '94 popped out of first gear a couple of times and I thought I just hadn't pressed the shifter down fully. I wonder now if it is 'something' more. The machine has only 3200 miles. I'll be following this thread with interest. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ramin Keyvan" Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:22:05 -0700 "PC800: Glad to be here" (Sep 11, 9:38pm) To: PRGormley@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Glad to be here Paul, Welcome aboard! Glad you're out riding...congrats on the new baby ;). With regard to the windscreen, my personal opinion is to buy the Rifle screen. Erin and I put one on her 95 and ooooo-boy! what a difference!! You could read a book back there at 80+mph. It's an investment (around $130-140ish) well worth making. happy riding! Ramin On Sep 11, 9:38pm, PRGormley@aol.com wrote: > Subject: PC800: Glad to be here > I've been lurking the list for a while and now, recently having come into a > PC800, thought I'd try to lurk less and join more. > > Name: Paul Gormley > Location: Marblehead, Massachusetts > Email: prgormley@aol.com, gormley@compuserve.com, prgormley@northshorelaw.com > PC Model year (if you have one): 1994 > Bought Used/New: Used > Modifications made to bike: None > > Saw an ad for a 94 PC800 in my local WantAdvertiser two days before I went on > vacation. Listed as 14K miles for $3000. I called and asked point blank: > "Why so cheap?" I had looked at a '90 a few days earlier that was listing > for a justified $4200. The owner had recently been laid off and had a credit > card bill due for $3000, so ... > > I thought about it overnight, called his local shop for maintenance info, > bought it the next day. I'm an attorney here in Salem, Massachusetts (feel > free to visit at www.northshorelaw.com for the weekly lawyer joke) and needed > to carry case materials and my IBM laptop in some reasonable manner, the PC > 800 was perfect. As I am an attorney and the 94 color was black, you can > call my ride the Dark Knight. > > I'm thinking about extending the windshield with the Saeng stuff that's been > mentioned recently (comments and advice are welcome) and am looking into a > backrest for my daughter and wife. Down the line I'll think about intercoms > and audio. Glad to be on board. - PRG > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >-- End of excerpt from PRGormley@aol.com -- ------------------------------------------------------ |Ramin Keyvan | Voice: 415-846-5169 | |Member Technical Staff/ | FAX: 415-846-1228 | |Release Group | Main #:415-846-5000 | |ramin@tibco.com | Beeper:800-SKY-GRAM | |http://www.tibco.com | Beeper Pin #: 471-3186# | ------------------------------------------------------ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:43:21 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "David L. Williamson" Subject: PC800: Handlebar adjustment I thought I saw a post or two in the last few days about adjusting the handlebars for us short-armed people who have to lean forward on the PC ... but I somehow lost the messages. At the risk of being a pain in the neck, can the handlbars be adjusted to bring them a bit closer? If so, how? Thanks. David Williamson Durham, NC Every day's a holiday! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com by emout01.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA26772; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:14:35 -0400 (EDT) To: timmacy@juno.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: New Tire, New Problem. In a message dated 97-09-12 01:37:55 EDT, timmacy@juno.com writes: << The only thing I can figure out is that the cable's binding just enough against the edge of the cable sheath that it's registering slower mph. Guess I'll have to take the whole thing out tomorrow and lube it up good, eh? If anyone else has other relevant advice, I'd love to hear it. >> I think you're on the right track, but I'd check the routing of the cable too. You may want to reroute it to eliminate a binding situation. Regards, <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com by emout20.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA21773; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:16:26 -0400 (EDT) To: timmacy@juno.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: New Tire, New Problem. In a message dated 97-09-12 01:37:55 EDT, timmacy@juno.com writes: << OBTW, I had just hit the wear bars and the tire had 19,200 miles on it. Since I had +20K on the front when I replaced it, that certainly lends more credence to the theory that Dunlops are better "touring" tires than the Metzlers. >> Maybe it depends on how you ride, but I only got 6,000 miles on the original K555 Dunlops. That sounds more than I would expect from riding a bit hard... Regards, <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lawyer@pipeline.com Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:26:17 -0500 To: PC800 Subject: PC800: Hot-wire? OK folks. The ignition lock on my '89 PC800 was cannibalized by vandals. I'm trying to use the bike while I await a new ignition lock switch. (By the way, is East Coast Parts Warehouse still around? My numbers for them are no good). Last time this happened I was able to get the bike to go. I no longer have my service manual, and I don't recall the appropriate wires. If someone knows, or can find out, could you please e-mail it to me? Please send it directly to me at lawyer@pipeline.com, so as to minimize the distribution of this info. To verify my bona-fides, you can check the archives under lawyer@pipeline.com, or call me at (212) 987-0600. Thanks, - Jeff -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by mail.wa.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11199) with SMTP Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:50:11 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Robert Gohl" To: "PC800 Group" Subject: Re: PC800: New Tire, New Problem. Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:04:41 -0700 Hey Tim Here is some advice buy a new cable its only 20 bucks plus Ship and Hand. Just replaced mine. Its easy and a quick job. Robert Gohl 89 PC800 rgohl@wa.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m19.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id RiA21750; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 17:05:11 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 16:02:00 -0500 From: comaj@juno.com (Jim M SMITH) Name: Jim M.SMITH Location: Springfield Mo Email: comaj@juno.com PC Model 1990 Bought: Used Modifications:Priority Plus lights Corban seat with back rest Tall windshield Rear Spoiler Cycle com CB/AM/FM/STERO I recently seen a PC with some sort of frame around windshield and mirrors on each side just below eye level, I was unable to get turned around and catch up with him, Anyone have any info on these items Thanks -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 17:46:59 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Mike Hanley(GULP)" Subject: PC800: 89 PC For Sale Two years ago I bought an '89 PC with 12,000 miles on it. Since then I've put on another 8,000 miles so now it has just less than 20,OOO. We've ridden it on a couple of long tours and loved it, but my legs are a bit too long for the bike (I'm 6'5"), so I recently bought a bike with a higher seat. Against the wishes of my backseat passenger, I'm selling the Pacific Coast. It's in very nice shape, we've never had any mechanical problems with it and it's always been garaged and well maintained. (Almost every time I go out with it someone will ask if it's new!) The color, of course, is the pearl metallic which any '89 PC owner I'm sure will confirm is the prettiest. Options: it's got the tall Honda windshield (also the stock one in good shape) and a new Corbin seat (with the expensive optional backrest that is much taller than the Honda passenger backrest. The Corbin seat also includes an adjustable back support for the driver). The stock seat is included and is also like new. Price: I'll go by the Motorcycle Consumer News price which I believe is $3700. I think that's fair since the mileage is just a little over average but it's got the Corbin seat and tall shield. Reasonable offers will be considered, provided it will go to a good home. I'll be happy to give honest answers to any legitimate questions. Please leave a message on my voicemail at work. The number is 716-454-6500, extension 656 (Mike Hanley). The bike is located near Rochester, New York, but I may be able to deliver within a few hundred miles. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 16:20:58 PT From: "PETER NOETH, SR. SYSTEMS ENGINEER, GPS-SFO X5567" To: comaj@juno.com Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu /FONT=Courier-Bold/LINES=66/LEFT_MARGIN=36/CALCULATE/TOP_MARGIN=36/BOTTOM_MARGIN=36 That was most probably the Saeng/TA windshield edging (effects a 2" increase in windshield size) and their little stick on mirrors. Call them at 1 800-TOURING for a catalog. Regards, Peter -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 19:26:32 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: ka2wij@earthlink.net CC: Timothy B Macy , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: New Tire, New Problem. Alan Taylor wrote: > The shift sounds solid, feels solid, but a few seconds later the bike will drop > out of gear, and maybe drop back in again a time or two until I can > throttle down and re-shift. > I'm hoping a linkage adjustment will fix it without having to tear down the transmission and replace the > synchros, something i can't afford right now. We're motorcyclists and we don't need no steenkin synchros... Actually, that's because there aren't any. What we do have are "engagement dogs", shift drums and forks. A problem with any one of these components can cause the problems you describe. Since I no longer have the service manual I can't give any advice as to what level of disassembly is required to replace any of the above. gk ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net gklim@harman.com ________________________________________________________________________ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 19:16:36 -0600 (MDT) From: John Chobrda To: Rocky E Rocheux Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, indian@starklite.com, indian@dorje.com Subject: PC800: Re: To the guys to whom I promised photos. Rocky don't know if this will help you, but when I get pictures done now I have them also put on a floppy disc. You can have this done by Kodak when you are having them developed for a couple extra bucks. Then you can store them on your pc, e-mail them, and have copies made in what ever size up to 8X10 on one of the new Kodak machines. John C. in NJ On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Rocky E Rocheux wrote: > I did not realize how bad film can be but the can I had from Seattle film > labs was awful. Then too, with taking pictures with a flash in the dark > messes up the camera as it does not know how to expose itself. :) > Worse, there were overexposures and twilight messes and Red Cloud looked > like it was painted with tomato soup. > Then I had them developed at Rite Aid and took the cheap and quick > option. > > So late this afternoon I got Kodak 200 Gold and redid the pics in the sun > with no flash and put my ugly puss in some of them > > So I am to go back to the neighborhood photo shop and he will have my > prints by 7PM and they will go in the morning mail. > > Needless to say I am excited to think that Red Cloud will be on the > internet. > > Later, and thanx. > Rocky > > > **************************************************************** > * If you wish to ever unsubscribe to this mailing list please * > * follow these directions: 1. Send an email message * > * to:listmanager@starklite.com ; Subject: * > * leave indian (1st line of msg) Thank You and Ride Safe * > **************************************************************** > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: PC800: Honda warranty NOT on carb??? Date: Fri, 12 Sep 97 21:00:29 -0000 From: Rick Fisher To: "PC800 messages" Hello everyone who remembers me! :-) I had my PC towed to the Honda dealer and they cleaned the crud out of the carbs and said thanks that'll be $108 please. I said Hey it's under warranty! They say Honda wont cover the carb being cleaned. Has anyone gotten something like this covered? Hope everyone is still doing good. Rick Fisher dentman@idt.net *************************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 1992 750SX Jet Ski 1997 Enforcer Team XP gas powered R/C boat 1994 Male human terror (aka Alex) 19xx Female human? "Da BOSS" various mammals arf meow etc. *************************************************************************** -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:49:58 -0400 From: "James A. Gilson" To: JeffHamltn@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Glove Review --------------AD5F2CE97B7DD6EE4A2D8209 Hey Jeff- If you are riding in warmer weather, visit a bike (that's bicycle) shop and check out some of the gloves- I have found a nice variety of relatively cheap, nicely padded "riding" gloves that do very well for the MC. --------------AD5F2CE97B7DD6EE4A2D8209 Hey Jeff-

If you are riding in warmer weather, visit a bike (that's bicycle) shop and check out some of the gloves- I have found a nice variety of relatively cheap, nicely padded "riding" gloves that do very well for the MC. --------------AD5F2CE97B7DD6EE4A2D8209-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id WAA16201 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:07:26 -0500 (CDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 20:04:33 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Greg Chambers Subject: PC800: Gears, Clutches, etc. While we all seem to be on the subject, I'm not sure if I have a problem or not. When I "power shift" from 1-2 or 2-3, it takes the clutch a while to mesh and slow the rpm's down, as opposed to the jerky but clean action one would get on, say, a 1965 Pontiac GTO. Admittedly, the PC wasn't designed as an "off-the-line" hot rod, but I am a little surprised at the looseness or gradual engagement of the clutch. Is this normal? I have a 96 with 7,000 miles. Greg Chambers -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id XDE29791; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 23:34:20 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: rocheux@juno.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Splines and dead hard drive. From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky Rocheux) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 23:34:20 EDT Oh my gosh I got the splines! I can't believe I did it. Another miracle, not only did Carolyn stay in the garage with me the whole time, another first, but she read to me out of the owner's manual which tells about taking the rear lamp assy out and the shop manual does not. Then we turned to the shop manual. The rear spline on the driveshaft was drowning in grease but the front one that goes in the u-joint was nearly dry. Is that the one that every one is complaining about? I coated it with a light coating of moly grease. Reassembly dictated that I put the driveshaft into the housing first and it was not easy lining it up with the u-joint. I had Carolyn get it in neutral and then I could do it. After that I was able to fit the rear unit. Before I had got the driveshaft wedged in there somehow with the u-joint hanging down like a limp noodle. So I got everything all torqued except the upper left housing nut which I had to give a good manual cinching down as there was just no way to get the torque wrench on it. Even torqued the huge bolt on the axle to 80 ft lbs. I did it! Thanks to you who said how it needed it and gave me the encouragement to just DO IT! I am on Carolyn's computer which came back from the shop and is now a monster computer but today my hard drive crashed and I need the address on Concentric net to get Phil Lewis pics up. Phil, seems you have cut out a lot of pics. I could never get on by putting backrest.htm at the end but could find the menu by deleting that suffix off. Tnx y'all!! Rocky -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id XFW29791; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 23:40:39 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: dentman@idt.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Honda warranty NOT on carb??? From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky Rocheux) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 23:40:39 EDT How did the crud get in there? Simply, was this neglect on Honda's part? Did they get the crud in the carbs? Was it a defect in assembly labor or materials. If not Honda's fault, not warranted. On Fri, 12 Sep 97 21:00:29 -0000 Rick Fisher writes: >Hello everyone who remembers me! :-) > >I had my PC towed to the Honda dealer and they cleaned the crud out of > >the carbs and said thanks that'll be $108 please. I said Hey it's >under >warranty! They say Honda wont cover the carb being cleaned. Has anyone > >gotten something like this covered? > >Hope everyone is still doing good. > > > >Rick Fisher >dentman@idt.net > >*************************************************************************** > >1995 Honda Pacific Coast >1992 750SX Jet Ski >1997 Enforcer Team XP gas powered R/C boat >1994 Male human terror (aka Alex) >19xx Female human? "Da BOSS" >various mammals arf meow etc. >*************************************************************************** > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:11:06 +0200 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gerard Diepeveen Subject: PC800: Update PCN-USA98 Tour Cc: PILEWIS1@concentric.net, msennewa@aol.com, HANS.VVLIET@DUT.RWS.minvenw.nl, hycom@cybercomm.nl There has been an update in the PCN-USA98 tour. Dates have changed and are now: June 21st till July 3rd 1998. It now includes a HSTA Star 98 meeting, we will visit the meeting on the 22nd of June in Taos,NM. We'll hope to see you all in Taos next year. Changes: http://www.dsv.nl/~pcn/pcn-usa98.htm Now also available roadbooks in 5 different formats of the complete tour. Roadbooks: http://www.dsv.nl/~pcn/pcn-usa98-roadbooks.htm Gerard Diepeveen, Pacific Coast Netherlands. Pacific Coast Netherlands Gerard Diepeveen, pcn@dsv.nl Webpager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/2149445 -------------------------------------------------------------- PCN-USA98 tour, for more info go to: http://www.dsv.nl/~pcn/pcn-usa98.htm -------------------------------------------------------------- visit the Dutch Pacific Coast website: http://www.dsv.nl/~pcn/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA21053; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 09:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 09:22:15 -0400 (EDT) To: greg501@ix.netcom.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Gears, Clutches, etc. In a message dated 97-09-13 04:16:59 EDT, greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers) writes: << Is this normal? I have a 96 with 7,000 miles. >> Mine has always been that way... Regards, <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Sat, 13 Sep 1997 09:54:47 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 09:54:38 -0700 From: "Gregg L. DesElms" To: "Mike Hanley(GULP)" CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: 89 PC For Sale Mike Hanley(GULP) wrote: > > Against the wishes of my backseat passenger, I'm selling the Pacific Coast. Why don't you keep it so your backseat passenger can become an occasional front seat driver? > Price: I'll go by the Motorcycle Consumer News price which I believe is > $3700. Right on target. Don't take a penny less. Gregg DesElms deselms@royal.net '89 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Sat, 13 Sep 1997 10:00:36 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 10:00:26 -0700 From: "Gregg L. DesElms" To: Rick Fisher CC: PC800 messages Subject: Re: PC800: Honda warranty NOT on carb??? Rick Fisher wrote: > > I had my PC towed to the Honda dealer and they cleaned the crud out of > the carbs and said thanks that'll be $108 please. I said Hey it's under > warranty! They say Honda wont cover the carb being cleaned. Has anyone > gotten something like this covered? > Any warranty, unless otherwise stated, covers only defects in materials or workmanship on the part of the manufacturer. Oil changes, carb cleanings, air filter cleaning/replacement, fuel filter cleaning/replacement, etc., are all part of normal upkeep, which is the responsibility of the owner. If you can prove that the crud in the carbs came from Honda, it would probably be covered. But it's more likely that you either got some bad fuel or you didn't drain the tank and carbs (or, alternatively, put in fuel stabilizer) before you stored the bike. Gregg DesElms deselms@royal.net '89 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ThZander@aol.com by emout11.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA23851 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 10:43:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 10:43:42 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: service manual Hi ! Does anyone know, how much the service manual costs? Thanks Thomas -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com by emout03.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA02391; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:54:44 -0400 (EDT) To: PETER_N1@sfov1.verifone.com, PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Backrest option Hi All, A few comments and questions for the engineers in the crowd vis-a-vis the backrest. The Honda backrest part is made from to pieces of steel bent at 90 degree angles and welded to the part that bolts to the trunk lid. I have attached a home made rack to the backrest (and also the welded uprights) Mine has broken twice. The backrest welds seem to fail not because of the load but from fatigue (vibration). I am considering getting the backrest part re-welded, and then attaching my rack with some rubber sheet between the rack mounting plate and the back rest uprights. Will this help? I usually carry nothing on the rack. Would I be better off to dampen the rack with some kind of load? Thanks, TZ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 13:20:50 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Rick Fisher CC: PC800 messages Subject: Re: PC800: Honda warranty NOT on carb??? Rick Fisher wrote: > I had my PC towed to the Honda dealer and they cleaned the crud out of > the carbs and said thanks that'll be $108 please. Any specifics on the composition of said crud? The PC is one of a very few bikes that have an Honest-To-God fuel filter. Most bikes just have a filter screen in the petcock to keep small animals out of the fuel lines... gk ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net gklim@harman.com ________________________________________________________________________ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 13:30:20 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Greg Chambers CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Gears, Clutches, etc. Greg Chambers wrote: > When I "power shift" from 1-2 or 2-3, it takes the clutch a while to > mesh and slow the rpm's down,... I experienced the same phenomenon when trying to shift my former '96 PC the way I used to shift my former '94 CB-1000. Apparently, the clutch springs are not in the same league as those found in most Honda 4-cylinder bikes. I've heard that after market springs make a world of difference with only a slight increase of effort at the clutch lever. gk ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net gklim@harman.com ________________________________________________________________________ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 13:33:55 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Rocky Rocheux CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Splines and dead hard drive. Rocky Rocheux wrote: > > Oh my gosh I got the splines!... The rear spline on the driveshaft was > drowning in grease but the front one that goes in the u-joint was nearly > dry. Is that the one that every one is complaining about?... Yes, indeed. You will now sleep better at night. ;-) gk ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net gklim@harman.com ________________________________________________________________________ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 13:53:03 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: ThZander@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: service manual ThZander@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone know, how much the service manual costs? About $35, if memory serves. gk ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net gklim@harman.com ________________________________________________________________________ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Sat, 13 Sep 1997 18:48:13 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 18:47:56 -0700 From: "Gregg L. DesElms" To: GuntherSki@aol.com CC: PETER_N1@sfov1.verifone.com, PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Backrest option GuntherSki@aol.com wrote: > > The backrest welds seem to fail not because of the load but > from fatigue (vibration). That's correct. See: http://www.hpc.uh.edu/pc800/9708/msg00197.html > I am considering getting the backrest part > re-welded, and then attaching my rack with some rubber sheet between the rack > mounting plate and the back rest uprights. Will this help? There's a long answer and a short answer. I'll spare the list the long answer because I don't think anyone's up for a physics discussion. So here's the short answer: No. > I usually carry > nothing on the rack. Would I be better off to dampen the rack with some kind > of load? > Practicality notwithstanding, *this* logic is much more on target than any other. The verticals will "bend" (imperceptibly) with each vibration a finite number of times before they crack through and break. The backrest vibrates (and the uprights "bend") many times more per mile when no one is leaning against it than when there's a passenger there to dampen it. In fact, I theorize that as long as there is a passenger at all times when the PC is going down the road, the backrest would probably never break -- at least not within a typical PC's lifetime. Anything that will dampen vibration when there's no passenger will markedly improve the situation. Unfortunately, most methods of non-passenger dampening are unweildy, at best. Ultimately, the factory Honda backrest mounting assembly design is fundamentally flawed. The fact that it keeps breaking just above the welds points to the thickness of the metal used in the uprights. But there may also be a mounting method change called for as well. As long as effectively thickening the metal in the uprights, as I have done, does the trick, it's unlikely that I'll revisit the problem in the future. If not, however, after the next time they break, I'll probably sit down and figure out and fabricate a complete redesign. I am eager to inspect the "beefed-up" verticals on my bike after next season to see if the steel rods did the trick. Gregg DesElms deselms@royal.net '89 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/970903) via SMTP id HAA02322; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 07:15:05 -0400 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'Greg Chambers'" Cc: "'PC800 List'" Subject: RE: PC800: Gears, Clutches, etc. Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 06:55:51 -0400 Greg, in previous posts there was discussion about clutch slippage on PCs. The conclusion I recall was that more times than not the problem is soft sprngs in the clutch rather than worn plates. Replacing the springs is "relatively" inexpensive. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Greg Chambers [SMTP:greg501@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Friday, September 12, 1997 11:05 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Gears, Clutches, etc. While we all seem to be on the subject, I'm not sure if I have a problem or not. When I "power shift" from 1-2 or 2-3, it takes the clutch a while to mesh and slow the rpm's down, as opposed to the jerky but clean action one would get on, say, a 1965 Pontiac GTO. Admittedly, the PC wasn't designed as an "off-the-line" hot rod, but I am a little surprised at the looseness or gradual engagement of the clutch. Is this normal? I have a 96 with 7,000 miles. Greg Chambers -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/970903) via SMTP id HAA02410 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 07:22:26 -0400 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: PC800: bike-to-bike communicators Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 07:17:55 -0400 For those of you looking for bike-to-bike communicators (and particularly those who need two, like me), check out http://www.cobraelec.com/cb3.html for the deal on reconditioned Cobra HH40 Handheld 27Mhz CB. 40 channel, 4watts, etc --- a PAIR for $89.95. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mashaw@mindspring.com (Monty Shaw) To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Rear Top Spoiler Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 14:07:24 GMT Are there any pictures of this spoiler anywhere? Does anyone know where I could buy it? Does anyone have one for sale? I have the read lower spoiler and I want to get the top one. Anyone seen one on a wrecked PC? Any help appreciated. Thanks in Advance ]Monty[ 89 PC 17K -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ThZander@aol.com by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA13959 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 12:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 12:47:25 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: speedometer Hi all! Any information about the kanadian display ( kilometers instead of miles ) ????? ( Price, adress, etc ) thanks Thomas -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: myleslewis@juno.com by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id NZB17785; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 13:32:28 EDT To: bmwmc@world.std.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 10:28:20 -0700 Subject: PC800: Looking for something to do OK, any suggestions? I'm off for 4 days this week, Thurs-Sun. I can't go east to the RA rally and would like to explore some more of the west. I'll be caging it but have camping gear. Anyone up to some company? So far I'm considering heading towards Sacremento and beyond or maybe Vegas and beyond. I'm waiting to hear from a friend living in Vegas as to whether or not he'll be home. I don't really care where I go, since I've never been out here before. Well, I did see Tahoe a few weeks ago. Anyway, if you have any suggestions, feel lonely and need company, of have a spare bike with plenty of scenery around, let me know. Looking to satisfy the wunderlust... Myles ************** Myles Lewis of Bradenton, Florida, currently lost in Elko, NV, with no bike, no net access, no dog, but having a wonderful time anyway out in the middle of NOWHERE!!! AMA, BMWMOA, BMWRA, IBMWR, Florida SunBeemers -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Fireman Joe" To: "CB-750 List" Cc: "PC800 Listservice" Subject: PC800: FW: Ron Major-Distribute.... Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 01:38:30 -0400 Following is a post off the HSTA list....That I felt should be shared.... for those of you that haven't heard this year the Iron Butt had a fatallity, but not from someone hitting a car or ridding off the ridge . Please take a momnet and light a candle for a fellow bilker who has gone on to ride the best road there is, God's roads.... Ron Major was a enginner out at KTLA in L.A. Calif, had ridden the IB before, had a company dealing with products to enhance ST1100's and other little gadgets... My favorite was his extar gas tank that went behind the lis plate, to boost the ST to about 12 gal.s.....For more checkout the ironbutt webpage ----__ListProc__NextPart____HSTA__digest_702 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:56:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Warren Harhay To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Farewell to Ron Major My IronButt Rally is now finished. The last unplanned leg has been completed. This final segment is found in no route sheet, no planned itinerary, it came suddenly unannounced and cruelly unwanted, with no bonus points to be gathered nor exhiliration of spirit gained in its execution. For me this mandatory final checkpoint for the monster ride of 1997 came after the Lisle/Chicago finish line. It came at the funeral of my friend Ron Major. I arrived at the Long Beach Forest Lawn Mortuary about 10:00AM on Tuesday, September 9. I was escorted to the viewing room by the receptionist. I was alone with my thoughts. Ron was laid at rest at the end of the room surrounded by floral arrangements sent by friends, family and coworkers. He looked for all the world as if he was just in a "power nap" rather than in final repose. I expected him to snap up and bark out something to snap me out of my deep dark blue mood of despair. His hands were crossed over his chest and a uncharacteristic white dress shirt and black tie. These same hands had just a few days helped me install a replacement speedometer cable at the beginning of the rally that was to be his final ride. I recall now his stubborn insistence on the correct lubricant for the replacement speedo cable. An unwavering demand that sent a checkpoint volunteer scrurring back home to retrieve the bearing grease that Ron said was necessary to do this job right. The only way that Ron would do any task. He was a stubborn coot. He was cantankerous and yes, sometimes a bit obnoxious. But he was consistent in his pursuit of excellence and unwavering in his hard learned convicitions. Oh how I wished he would just bark at me now once again. I believe my ST was the last motorcycle other than his own that he lent his considerable talents to improving or mending. An honor perhaps, but certainly an unwelcome one. My revery was broken with the arrival of Clay Graddis and additional riders. Ron Ayres, Mary Sue Johnson(SuzyQ), Mike Kneebone the room began the fill and with it the shared rememberences of this fallen rider, friend and unrelenting competitor. All to soon we were all advised to adjourn to the Memorial Chapel where the services would be conducted at noon. Outside the chapel over 40 motorcycles had gathered with their riders congregating in clusters of hushed conversation. Rick Morrison, the first place finisher for the just completed Iron Butt rally shared comments with a group of riders wearing their 1991 Iron Butt Rally tee shirts, the very same rally that Ron had won first place. Gary Egan, Steve Chalmers and a host of others paid tribute by their prescence. There were too many to list here but Martin Hildebrandt the IBR rider from Germany joined riders from Colorado, Nevada, Oregon and of course California in the lot filled with ST1100s, BMWs, Harleys and even a Laverda. The officiating minister made it a point to move among the parked cycles and gather some of the ambience that Ron had emersed himself in throughout his ride through life. At the entry to the chapel there was a photo montage of Ron's accomplishments ranging from his early days of drag racing and dirt bikes up to the present involvement in long distance endurance riding . The chapel was filled to overflowing with those wishing to pay their final respects. The service was short with the minister revealing to all that the scriptures had indicated that motorcycles where indeed to be found in heaven by referring to the passage of "Gabriels Triumph". A wave of smiles swept through those assembled and this lightness swept away the heavy gloom of the formality and purpose of these proceedings. Ron's lifelong friend and best man at his wedding spoke and gave insight into the personal life that Ron choose to keep mostly to himself. The Chief Engineer for KTLA spoke of Ron's 20 plus year career at this television station and the many innovations and unique contributions that "Ronnie" as he called him had made. I am sure that many in this assemblage would have given most anything to tease Ron with this new found appellation. Ron's boss had mentioned of the void that now existed at KTLA, a void that we all know now extends well past this television station and into the greater motorcycling community. The services were then recessed to allow transport to the burial site. As I passed by Ron this last time I wondered about the strange convergence of events that would find Ron at the pearly gates with Princess Dianah in front and Mother Teresa behind him queing for the heavenly checkpoint line. What a conversation to eavesdrop on that would be! The procession left the chapel area for the short ride out onto Long Beach Boulevard to the entrance some 500 feet down the road. A procession of motorcycles accompanied this last ride in a proud yet sad display of honor and respect. At the gravesite the service continued with a reading of the poem, Ron Major, Motorcyclist, written by Robert Coats of the STOC (ST Owners Club) and read aloud by Michael Gasper. Many wept openly at these poignent words that were able to grasp the essence of the man now being laid to rest. Michael Kneebone, chairmen of the Iron Butt Association remembered Ron with a few words of the great love Ron had for endurance riding and how Ron could never seem to get enough of it. And yet of some little consolation to his loved ones, Ron had exited this world doing what he loved doing best of all worldly activities, competing vigorously in the toughest motorcycle competion in the world, the Iron Butt Rally. Joe Mandeville spoke next of his rememberences of Ron and his contributions to the long distance community. And then it was over. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Ron was put to final rest on this earthly plane, while he continues on in our hearts and minds throughout his ride through eternity. God speed, Ron Major My Iron Butt Rally has finished. Yours will continue forever. w ---------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: myleslewis@juno.com by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id NZA17785; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 13:32:28 EDT To: bmwmc@world.std.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, BMW1RS@aol.com Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 10:20:13 -0700 Subject: PC800: Latest news from ELKO, well not news but......... Hello ALL and greetings from ELKO... I finally got the work finished on the Intruder and got to take it out for a whole day. Nice bike for a cruiser. Still not my style, but better than no bike at all. It is fun to ride just not @80 on the slab. Anyway, went out cruising some local twisties and had a great time. This bike is actually very responsive, steers and holds the road well. I finally got to take it up into Lamoille Canyou. Nice fast twisty road. 35 mph speed limit, did it at 60, and could be done faster of a bike with better gearing, etc. There was a big car show in downtown and the canyon was empty. I didn't see any traffic the whole 15mi or so. Only 6 cars up top in the parking lot. Came back down, went to Spring Creek and turned left to drive toward Jiggs, NV and the Ruby Marshes. Blew through Jiggs, and didn't see much. 5 or 6 buildings was all. Got a few miles out of town(ha ha) and discovered the road turned to gravel so I Uturned it, and came back thru Jiggs. This time I saw the Jiggs Bar. I was hoping to get gas here but didn't see a station. Well, on the way back about 5 miles from Spring Creek, I ran out of gas. Seems this bike has a 4 gal tank, gets about 25mph, and only goes 5-10 miles on reserve. Most bikes I have EVER ridden went 20-30 on reserve. Here I am stuck again. At least it was a beautiful day and I had a nice view of the Ruby Mountains to look at while wondering if anyone else would come by. I was out there maybe 10 min when a couple stopped and took me to the gas station in Spring Creek. This was in a strip shopping mall so I went into the hardware store and bought a 2 gal gas can. Came out and filled it, and started walking back. Got to the corner traffic light and heard someone yell, "Where you walking with that?" I said about 5mi west, and they said go back to the parking lot, they'd give me a ride. Turns out it's 2 gals from the hospital where I'm working. They drove me out to the bike and stayed to make sure it started. I may be mechanically handicapped, but I do know the sound of an empty gas tank when I hear one. Anyway, got filled up and continued on my way. At this point I went to the car show since there were cool cars and a motorcycle rodeo to see. Turns out I messed up on the time of the rodeo so I missed it. Oh, Well, looked around, went and got a burger and got on I80 heading east to explore.. Let me tell you, this bike is no good for exploring very far around here. I went out exploring from an exit and went to take this road through the mtns, first sign I see is "no servicves for 70 miles", well I truned around , got back on the interstate to go find a gas station and ran out of gas 10 miles from the only station around.I had even bought a 2 gal gas can and had already emptied it once just cruising around. Once again, my black cloud of bad luck with it's silver lining was showing. I waited about 15 min before getting a ride to Wells, and got a ride back to the bike even quicker. Seems like people run out of gas out here all the time. If you're hitchhiking with a gas can, you can get a ride very quickly. Anyway, that's my latest saga. I'm glad I'm not taking this bike out of town on a long trip.Ya'll ride safe, and enjoy the fall weather wherever you are... Myles ************** Myles Lewis of Bradenton, Florida, currently lost in Elko, NV, with no bike, no net access, no bike, no dog, but having a wonderful time anyway, out in the middle of NOWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AMA, BMWMOA., BMWRA, IBMWR, Florida SunBeemers -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 11:19:43 -0700 From: Phil Lewis To: mashaw@mindspring.com CC: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Rear Top Spoiler Monty Shaw wrote: > > Are there any pictures of this spoiler anywhere? Does anyone > know where I could buy it? Does anyone have one for sale? I > have the read lower spoiler and I want to get the top one. > Anyone seen one on a wrecked PC? Any help appreciated. > > Thanks in Advance > > ]Monty[ > 89 PC 17K Hi Monty! You can get a pretty good look at mine at http://www.concentric.net/~Pilewis1/pcphotos/ULTRAGRD.HTM. This was supposed to show off my back bag, but you can see the spoiler pretty well. Unfortunately, I don't know where you can get one. Maybe somebody else does!! :) If you'd like to check out some other stuff, go to our home page (SCPCRC) http://www.concentric.net/~Johanlai/pcrsc/. From there you can go to the photos only page, and from there the gizmos page. It's not completely up to date with all of our riders shown (sorry about that, but I'll try and update soon :(), but there are a fair amount of gadgets shown. Also, be sure to check out http://www.dsv.nl/~pcn/. This is the DYNAMITE site put out by Gerard Diepeveen. I apologize if I've failed to mention some other great sites to view some more photos of PC's. Take care All, Phil ******************** * * * Phil Lewis * * So-Cal * * '90 PC * * "Delta Red" * * Enjoying The Ride! * * * ******************** -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mashaw@mindspring.com (Monty Shaw) To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Rear Top Spoiler Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 18:40:06 GMT >From Phil Lewis Sun, 14 Sep 1997 11:19:43 -0700 See my comments in/after your email. - ]Monty[ "http://www.concentric.net/~Pilewis1/pcphotos/ULTRAGRD.HTM. " "This was supposed to show off my back bag, but you can see the spoiler "pretty well. Unfortunately, I don't know where you can get one. Maybe "somebody else does!! :) Cool I want it even more now! Looks neat! Is that a brake light under it? Is the light part of it or another add on? " "If you'd like to check out some other stuff, go to our home page "(SCPCRC) http://www.concentric.net/~Johanlai/pcrsc/. From there you can "go to the photos only page, and from there the gizmos page. Hmm... John LaFreniere's '89 doesn't have the light on the spoiler that you have on yours. Was it an option with your '90 and not the '89 or what? I've got some inquires out to a bunch of salvage yards on the 'net to see if they have one or can find one. I'll post my results eventually (actually I want to post a longer article about all the mods that I've made or am making. Hopefully the spoiler will be part of it) Also noticed that you made your turn signals into running lights. I did the same thing, but I used the "rump light" kit from Kriss. They are nice and it was a 15 minute job to install it on the left side near the junction connection for the rear lights, but I think I like your solution better. Less expensive and your running lights stay on when you signal, where as mine turn off when I'm signal ling because they aren't 2 filament bulbs. Thanks for the URL's ]Monty[ '89 Hondapotamus -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 12:50:47 -0600 From: Steve Aikens To: myleslewis@juno.com CC: bmwmc@world.std.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: BMW: Looking for something to do myleslewis@juno.com wrote: > > OK, any suggestions? > I'm off for 4 days this week, Thurs-Sun. I can't go east to the RA rally > and would like to explore some more of the west. I'll be caging it but > have camping gear. I might have just what you're looking for Myles. Go to http://www.motorcyclerally.com and take a look. Good rally, good company (I know several Prez that will be there), it's in the area you refer to, and being an all-brander, even your cage is most welcome -- I don't suffer from insanity.....I enjoy every minute of it! Steve Aikens, Clovis, New Mexico steve.aikens@3lefties.com My BMW URL is http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4323/ Don't drop by very often, it never changes. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id RVF12459; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 17:33:32 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: rocheux@juno.com Subject: PC800: Bummed. 59-60,64-65 From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky Rocheux) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 17:33:32 EDT Sunday, 9/14/97---not our day. Carolyn and I left our home in Fairfax, VA at 9 a.m. yesterday. She was on her 96 Kawasaki ZL600 Eliminator and I was hauling the freight on our 96 PC. We got up to Carlisle PA at 12:10 and jumped in her son's 93 Mustang with his buddy from the Air Force and rode to Maple Grove raceway for the NHRA national meet and watched the drag races where, when they ran the bikes, the only 2 Harleys to run got shut down twice by Japanese racers. Today at noon we left for home and while at the McDonalds in Thurmont, MD for lunch some woman came up to us asking if we had a red motorcycle. Her son had struck the left mirror with his body as he got out of the car and knocked it out. I was not nice to her at first but as she stood by like a responsible woman to make sure I could replace it, I made nice with her and saw them on their way. She was nice enuf not to flee the lot and find me and I thanked her for being nice as she got into her new Cad to leave. It was a precursor of things to come. After driving about 118 of the 125 miles home, I did a rolling stop at about 2 MPH and turned right on a red with no traffic coming. Carolyn tried it and she was still in 4th gear and could not power up to sustain the turn and dropped the bike on its right side as opposed to the two drops she has done on its left--once while practicing in a parking lot with me and once when she failed the DMV test. (She subsequently took the MSF course, passed with flying colors and got her license.) When I saw her and her bike down in the rear view mirror, I quickly came around into the parking lot adjoining the intersection and got off my PC, which immediately tumbled on its side as I had forgot to put down the kickstand in my shook up state. I went 'round and helped Carolyn put her bike on its center stand and the uptight SOB in the Bronco behind her spun around me in a huff (his failure to get out and give aid being a misdemeanor). I got the ZL up on the sidewalk and put it on its sidestand and then we went to the PC which was on its left side with the mirror hanging down from its tendon like a torn away hand. Putting the PC on the sidestand I got the Kaw and walked it around and stood it next to the PC. We had to reinstall the mirror assembly, the reflector of which was knocked partly back in the housing. Carolyn picked up two pieces of broken red plastic and I don't know where they came from. When I had got the mirror back in place I examined the plastic covers over the crash guards. I don't know if I can polish out the scrapes from them and I think the asphalt went right into the black plastic under the red paint on the mirror housing. Then we sat on the curb in the parking lot and I asked Carolyn where we would go from there with her riding. She had cut in front of a car on US 15 at 55MPH and had he been going faster than she was she could have had an accident. I asked her if she wanted to quit driving motorcycles while she was ahead and uninjured by the 3 drops and she told me she does not want to quit. So we got back on and started up our scarred-mobiles and went home and then I caught her twice using her right hand to reach over the the left control bar to operate her turn signal switch. She is afraid to really turn tight turns altho she is getting better at that. Thanks for listening. I just had to have someone to talk to. If you would like to click REPLY and share your thoughts with me on this I would appreciate it. Thanks, friend. Rocky -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id R\O12459; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 17:46:19 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: ThZander@AOL.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: service manual From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky Rocheux) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 17:46:19 EDT Call Honda of Milpitas in Calif. They sell stuff cheaply. On Sat, 13 Sep 1997 10:43:42 -0400 (EDT) ThZander@aol.com writes: >Hi ! > >Does anyone know, how much the service manual costs? > >Thanks Thomas >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mashaw@mindspring.com (Monty Shaw) To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Rear Top Spoiler Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:58:13 GMT >From Phil Lewis Sun, 14 Sep 1997 11:45:28 -0700 See my comments in/after your email. - ]Monty[ "Monty Shaw wrote: "> " "> "> Cool I want it even more now! Looks neat! Is that a brake "> light under it? Is the light part of it or another add on? "> " "Hi Again! " "No, that brake light is another add-on. [stuff snipped] "Take care, " "Phil Dang! I really want a third brake light right about where that one is, and it really looks nice under the spoiler. I've searched the archives, and I've found the question posed, but no answers. Any ideas on the 3rd brake light? Thanks anyway -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Sun, 14 Sep 1997 19:38:10 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 19:37:51 -0700 From: "Gregg L. DesElms" To: Rocky Rocheux CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Bummed. Rocky Rocheux wrote: > ------ SNIP -------- > It was a precursor of things to come. After driving about 118 of the 125 > miles home, I did a rolling stop at about 2 MPH and turned right on a red > with no traffic coming. Carolyn tried it and she was still in 4th gear > and could not power up to sustain the turn and dropped the bike on its > right side Thank goodness she's okay, Rocky. And you, as well. It's clear this was a sobering experience for you both. When you're both feeling better and more like examining the situation and looking for mistakes, consider this: Considering how you're feeling, I hate to point out ('cause I know you both know this) that this was a "right turn on red after stop" situation. "Stop," of course, is the operative word, here, and "stop" means stop -- with both feet on the ground. Had she done this, it would not have happened. But everyone's got 20/20 hindsight. And *ALL* of us have done right turns on reds after only rolling stops. So she didn't try anything we haven't all tried at one time or another. But doing so requires the skill of being able to control the bike at extremely low speeds since such a "right turn after *almost* stopping" invariably requires the application of additional power (throttle) coming out of the apex of the tuurn in order to even keep the bike upright. Until one masters extremely low speed bike control, one should probably get into the habit of trying never to even enter a turn which cannot be completed ("completion" being evidenced by the complete righting of the bike on the straightaway coming out of the turn) using whatever momentum existed *before* the turn even began. In other words, try to avoid entering a turn which you could not free-coast all the way through were the engine to be cut (and the clutch engaged) at the precise moment that the turn began, while approaching its apex. > When I saw her and her bike down in the rear view mirror, I quickly came > around into the parking lot adjoining the intersection and got off my PC, > which immediately tumbled on its side as I had forgot to put down the > kickstand in my shook up state. > Understandable. Don't kick yourself. Your determining her condition was the only thing on your mind. You probably couldn't get it stopped fast enough. At least you kept your head long enough to get it stopped before attempting a dismount. It's just a little bit of stupid (albeit costly) plastic. She's more important. > I went 'round and helped Carolyn put her bike on its center stand and the > uptight SOB in the Bronco behind her spun around me in a huff (his > failure to get out and give aid being a misdemeanor). > Ummm... don't mean to contradict... but... though I don't know the laws in VA, I will say that in this area, most states are alike. And in the US (unlike in France, as we recently learned from the Diana incident) the law does not require one to give aid to an injured motorist. Rather, our laws related to such incidents typically only protect from civil or criminal liability any person who decides to provide aid so long as the person acts in good faith to provide aid that was reasonable and appropriate under the circumstances. In Paris, apparently, it *IS* actually against the law to just drive on by a person injured in an accident. But in the US our Constitution is pretty clear about the whole business of compelling people to do things. Generally, Constitutionally-speaking, we can't -- at least not under circuumstances such as these. Of course, I could be wrong, but I'm guessing that it's probably *not* a crime to fail to provide aid to an injured motorist in your state. And if I *am* wrong, I suspect that a conviction pursuant to such a (in my opinion misguided) law could fairly easily be overturned. Now, on the other hand, it's possible that your state has some sort of proximity laws related to traffic accidents which could make what that driver did more like "leaving the scene" or something like that. But, his being a complete jerk notwithstanding, because he was not the proximate cause of her accident, I don't even see how that's possible. Sorry. ------ SNIP -------- > Then we sat on the curb in the parking lot and I asked Carolyn where we > would go from there with her riding. She had cut in front of a car on US > 15 at 55MPH and had he been going faster than she was she could have had > an accident. > > I asked her if she wanted to quit driving motorcycles while she was ahead > and uninjured by the 3 drops and she told me she does not want to quit. > So we got back on and started up our scarred-mobiles and went home and > then I caught her twice using her right hand to reach over the the left > control bar to operate her turn signal switch. > Though she may not wish to hear it, I think your instincts here are good. She would appear to be in need of some practice and perhaps some further instruction. It's too bad the stakes are so high (eg, that motorcycle riding mistakes can be so costly and potentially life-threatening) because I really believe she will be fine in time. She just needs more practice. Practice, practice, practice! She needs to get to the point that what to do becomes something she doesn't even think about -- second nature -- something she just feels and does before she even realizes it's happened. This only comes with practice, and lots of it. But, her practice needs to have as its foundation a fundamentally accurate understanding of the physics of it all, and good technique instruction and internalization. Reading articles in motorcycle magazines will help. The next level MSF course will help. I hope she keeps riding, but I hope she figures out a way to do it that keeps her safe. That's the most important thing -- for both of you. > She is afraid to really turn tight turns altho she is getting better at > that. Again, practice. Well... first proper technique, then practice, practice, practice. > > Thanks for listening. I just had to have someone to talk to. That's, in part, what the list is here for. And there are lots of people on it who have read your postings and have come to know and like you (to the degree possible given this forum, of course) -- myself included. I think I can speak for others on the list when I write that we're all just glad the two of you are okay. Don't let it stop you from riding. Just let it stop you from riding unsafely. Chill-out. Have a drink. Watch a little TV. And for the next little while, don't walk past her without giving her a big, grateful hug. Good luck! Gregg DesElms deselms@royal.net '89 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 17:46:45 -0700 From: Phil Lewis To: mashaw@mindspring.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Rear Top Spoiler Hi Monty! J. C. Whitney has a motorcycle catalog that has a small L.E.D. light bar that Steve Churchill installed on his PC. It looks good and it very inexpensive, less than $10. I'm not home right now, but if no one else has thier address or catalog, I'll check their latest catalog for you when I get back home. Take Care, Phil -- ******************** * * * Phil Lewis * * So-Cal * * '90 PC * * "Delta Red" * * Enjoying The Ride! * * * ******************** -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mashaw@mindspring.com (Monty Shaw) To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Rear Top Spoiler Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 00:51:57 GMT >From Phil Lewis Sun, 14 Sep 1997 17:46:45 -0700 See my comments in/after your email. - ]Monty[ "Hi Monty! " "J. C. Whitney has a motorcycle catalog that has a small L.E.D. light bar "that Steve Churchill installed on his PC. It looks good and it very "inexpensive, less than $10. " I've seen something like what you're describing in the Dennis Kirk catalog. I've thought about adding it, but I didn't know if it would look out of place. The one you have really looks factory. Thanks for the reply ]Monty[ '89 Muscle Scooter -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:35:59 -0400 From: Steve Carr To: PC800 Mailing List Subject: PC800: Microfiche Part IV The final installment, pages 77-97, of the PC800 microfiche are now up at http://www.concentric.net/~fastcarr/ Steve -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:27:12 -0400 From: Jeff Leech To: Rocky Rocheux CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Bummed. Rocky Rocheux wrote: > > Sunday, 9/14/97---not our day. Carolyn and I left our home in Fairfax, > VA at 9 a.m. yesterday. She was on her 96 Kawasaki ZL600 Eliminator and > I was hauling the freight on our 96 PC. . . . . . . > Thanks for listening. I just had to have someone to talk to. If > you would like to click REPLY and share your thoughts with me on this I > would appreciate it. Thanks, friend. > Rocky > -- Rocky, Don't give up too soon, although I can imagine how scary, and frustrating it can be. My PC-800 was the first bike I have ridden, and dropped it several times while learning to do slow speed maneuvers. The last time I dropped it was the same afternoon I got my motorcycle endorsement. That was 4 years ago. I also remember my first trip. It was 180 miles one way. I had been riding about five months (although it was winter) and had nearly 1500 miles under my belt, however they were all local rides. The trip out was fine, but I rode back via major highways and Interstate the way back. That was scary! I guess my point is that you may need to stick to shorter local rides until Carolyn is very comfortable with the bike. The last thing you want to do is get into an accident, because she is unsure of herself. These things take longer with some than others. I hope that things progress well. Safe Riding, Jeff Leech Centerville, OH '94 Pacific Coast, w/33,000 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:04:58 -0500 From: Bernie Bradley To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: JC Whitney Phil Lewis wrote: > > Hi Monty! > > J. C. Whitney has a motorcycle catalog that has a small L.E.D. light bar > that Steve Churchill installed on his PC. It looks good and it very > inexpensive, less than $10. > > I'm not home right now, but if no one else has thier address or catalog, Whitney's at -- Bernie Bradley Champaign, IL STOC#(B-R?)FIVE-FOUR-NINE `97 ST "PAN-ACEA" Time's Fun When You're Having Flies! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) Mon, 15 Sep 1997 00:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 00:21:19 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Bummed. Hi Rocky: Sorry to hear about your recent mishaps. I second what Greg DesElms has already said. I'd like to add that low-speed tipovers are not really anything to worry about. They happen a lot to new riders and more frequently than most would care to admit when it comes to experienced riders. Riding slowly requires skills that are difficult to learn. Minor errors in low-speed control are to be expected. You should simply offer encouragement to Carolyn and give her tips on how to avoid such problems in the future (the problem for her in this situation was failing to downshift as she slowed for the intersection; the tip might be something like, "Always shift down to first gear as you approach a stop. There is no need to release the clutch between downshifts if you have to slow quickly.") Another thing to remember is that any rider is likely to make more mistakes immediately following the first mistake. It is best to make sure that everyone has time to regain their composure before pressing on after such an event. Once everyone is up and "OK" and the bikes are "put back together," it's a good idea to stop as soon as you can, take a break, get a cup, etc. Take some time for everyone to settle down and processes what has happened. Then continue the ride. It is natural and good that you are protective of Carolyn, but don't try to discourage her from riding because she has some problems such as this. Just let her know that you are with her whether she chooses to ride or not. She should feel no pressure from you either way. It must be her decision based on her own evaluation of her skills and her personal desire to ride. Your job should be to encourage, to give constructive help in fixing problems, and to give honest feedback when asked for a critique of how she is doing. Take care, JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 06:57:39 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 06:56:40 -0400 From: "Dana L. Sawyer" Subject: PC800: Additional brake light To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Several folks have talked about adding additional brake light(s) to their= Pacific Coasts. I agree with those who say that Honda should have put one= in the upper center section of the trunk cover. However, there is an easi= er and more effective way of adding additional brake lights than doing just= that...adding additional lights. Why not use the ones that you already have...those amber directional lights? You may say that in some states it= is illegal to have tail or brake lights other than red. And...You may be = be right. But I doubt if anyone has ever been stopped for that violation! I'= d like to think that they have more important business to conduct! There mu= st be several companies making solid state units similar to the SOS Priority= and Priority Plus units. FYI, the difference between the two is that the latter has a flashing brake light feature not included in the former. I have the latter on my bike, which wires into the existing harness and converts the directional lights to running lights and flashing brake lights, while retaining the directional light function. The visibility is= outstanding. The unit is small...not much larger than a pack of cigarette= s. Mine is installed in front of the left side of the trunk, where the existing wiring harness makes the installation simple (ask Roger Prince...he installed mine!) Dana Sawyer - '90 Pacific Coast with 70,000 great miles! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:50:07 +0800 From: Poh Yu Seung To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Saeng for feet? Hi everyone, rode through some stretches of muddy water outside a construction site today, leaving brown stains on a black/silver bike. got my shoes mucky and then thought, Could I use those Saeng stealth strips under the front crash bars to deflect wind/water around the shoes? Guess it would also deflect blasts of cold air up the trousers, right? For this reason, does anyone have the web page address of Saeng (it's not in the PC web page) so I could try to buy some of this stuff. Alternatively, does anyone have left overs form their bike....about 12" ? I'll pay for the postage and costs. Yu Seung -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:18:35 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC800: speedometer ThZander@aol.com wrote: >Any information about the kanadian display ( kilometers instead of miles ) >????? >( Price, adress, etc ) I just bought an American bike and while having the miles as the large letters in the odometer with small kms, doesn't really bother me, I would really like to have the odo and trip meter register in kms. Was thinking of getting a junked metric speedo, taking it apart and twiddling the numbers to match in KMs what my bike has in miles. Also the thought crossed my mind that it might be REALLY easy to switch the odo's to kms by swapping two gears but this strikes me as more clever than Honda is likely to have done. -- Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mskrocki@meldrum.com Date: Mon, 15 Sep 97 10:23:22 est To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: bike-to-bike communicators What kind of headset would work with these radios? Enjoy the ride. Mark Skrocki Sandra & Mark Skrocki 89 PC800 "Jackson" hers / 85 VF1100S "Almighty Aphrodite" his Shaker Hts., OH mskrocki@meldrum.com _______________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: PC800: bike-to-bike communicators ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall at ~Internet ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 9/14/97 7:15 AM For those of you looking for bike-to-bike communicators (and particularly those who need two, like me), check out http://www.cobraelec.com/cb3.html for the deal on reconditioned Cobra HH40 Handheld 27Mhz CB. 40 channel, 4watts, etc --- a PAIR for $89.95. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. The following is an attached File item from cc:Mail. It contains information that had to be encoded to ensure successful transmission through various mail systems. To decode the file use the UUDECODE program. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: PC800: FS: 1995 PC Date: Mon, 15 Sep 97 09:56:43 -0000 From: Rick Fisher To: "PC800 messages" Yup I'm bailin'! 12k miles backrest very new Metzlers freshly cleaned carbs hand painted stripes never down $5900.00 North Alabama Rick Fisher dentman@idt.net *************************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 1992 750SX Jet Ski 1997 Enforcer Team XP gas powered R/C boat 1994 Male human terror (aka Alex) 19xx Female human? "Da BOSS" various mammals arf meow etc. *************************************************************************** -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mskrocki@meldrum.com Date: Mon, 15 Sep 97 11:56:07 est To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: An Exhaustive Weekend This weekend I had the joy of replacing a portion of the exhaust system on my wife's 89 PC. She managed to hit something in a highway construction zone (traveling over those oh so lovely metal plates) and tear open about an inch and a half hole in the lower front pipe and collapse the pipe to about half its width (with the heavy gauge of the muffler pipes, the physics involved boggle the mind). The replacement parts required hit about $110 from the local Honda store (lower front exhaust pipe, muffler gaskets (2) and an exhaust pipe gasket). Friday evening my friend Dave and I set about removing the offending pipe. Reasonably simple, removed crash bar protectors, removed lower front cowl, removed right side vent cover. Then loosen pipe clamps and exhaust manifold bolts (WD40 required). Loosen pipes (rubber mallet required) and remove. Reassembly on Sunday was also uneventful. First I had to remove the old gaskets in the muffler pipe as well as the gasket in the exhaust manifold. Insert new gaskets in manifold and on muffler pipes. Install lower muffler pipe into exhaust collector (tight fit rubber mallet required for persuasion), then insert upper muffler pipe into lower muffler pipe working through the opening in the fairing left by removing the right side vent cover, then reattach upper muffler pipe to the exhaust manifold. tighten down all clamps and nuts. At this point I took the bike for a test drive (sans front plastic) to make sure there were no leaks. Put the plastic back on, job done. All told it took me about 4 hours to complete the job (I do prefer to work slow and double check everything). Not bad for a weekend wrench. Well needless to say my wife is much happier now that she has her wheels back (and so am I). Enjoy the ride. Mark Skrocki Sandra & Mark Skrocki 89 PC800 "Jackson" hers / 85 VF1100S "Almighty Aphrodite" his Shaker Hts., OH mskrocki@meldrum.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:13:54 +0200 To: mashaw@mindspring.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gerard Diepeveen Subject: Re: PC800: Rear Top Spoiler There is a picture on the PCN website with a third brake light in the spoiler, you can find it on the pictures page, but this is the the url if you want to see it right away: http://www.dsv.nl/~pcn/foto/brakeli.jpg if this dosn't work just click on the link on the pictures page that says: "Brake light in trunk spoiler" it's photo #47. At the moment I have a desciption of how it's made, but it's still in Dutch and I haven't got the time to translate it and to make a page of it. The brake light is made by one of the PCN members. Gerard Diepeveen Pacific Coast Netherlands Gerard Diepeveen, pcn@dsv.nl Webpager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/2149445 -------------------------------------------------------------- PCN-USA98 tour, for more info go to: http://www.dsv.nl/~pcn/pcn-usa98.htm -------------------------------------------------------------- visit the Dutch Pacific Coast website: http://www.dsv.nl/~pcn/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mashaw@mindspring.com (Monty Shaw) To: Gerard Diepeveen Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Rear Top Spoiler Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:43:48 GMT >From Gerard Diepeveen Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:13:54 +0200 See my comments in/after your email. - ]Monty[ "There is a picture on the PCN website with a third brake light in the "spoiler, you can find it on the pictures page, but this is the the url if "you want to see it right away: http://www.dsv.nl/~pcn/foto/brakeli.jpg if "this dosn't work just click on the link on the pictures page that says: ""Brake light in trunk spoiler" it's photo #47. Looks very nice. I'd love to add one to my spoiler when I get it. " "At the moment I have a desciption of how it's made, but it's still in Dutch "and I haven't got the time to translate it and to make a page of it. "The brake light is made by one of the PCN members. Does he sell them? If so, how much? TIA ]Monty Shaw[ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "PC800 (E-mail)" Subject: PC800: FW: 89 PC 800 parts Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:40:50 -0700 -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Randall R. Foster [SMTP:rrfoster@bluenet.net] Sent: Monday, September 15, 1997 6:03 AM To: Bryce Ulrich Subject: 89 PC 800 parts Bryce, Maybe you could foward this to PC list. 89 PC parts. I still have many parts for 89 PC. Plastic side panels + plastic around foot pegs and gear shift etc. handle bar covers/ handlebars wheels ignition box and most of the other electical stuff instrument cluster headlight assembly gas tank shocks front forks brake parts engine/transmission center stand tip over protectors (not the covers, the steel pieces under them) all trunk latch hardware and cables seat (great shape) and many other things No reasonable and fair offer refused Thanks Randall Foster -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:10:52 PT From: "PETER NOETH, SR. SYSTEMS ENGINEER, GPS-SFO X5567" Subject: Re: PC800: Saeng for feet? To: pohys@singnet.com.sg Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu /FONT=Courier-Bold/LINES=66/LEFT_MARGIN=36/CALCULATE/TOP_MARGIN=36/BOTTOM_MARGIN=36 I would think that the edging would be useless in this application. However their little winglets might work nicely, since they are mounted to a gimbal which would allow for fine adjustment. This may also be an option for those who complained of excess engine heat on their legs. I have seen something simuliar on Gold Wings for the same purpose of wind deflection. If the winglets were mounted (sticky tape attachment used here) low enough on the front of the fairing, it should help to deflect water splash. Just make sure the front wheel clears them when it is turned lock to lock. Also you may want to install the Honda mud flap to the front fender to help prevent excess dirt buildup in the bottom of the radiator. Saeng/TA's web site is www.saeng.com Regards, Peter ********************************* ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: IN%"pohys@singnet.com.sg" 15-SEP-1997 04:51:26.84 To: IN%"pc800@hpc.uh.edu" CC: Subj: PC800: Saeng for feet? Hi everyone, rode through some stretches of muddy water outside a construction site today, leaving brown stains on a black/silver bike. got my shoes mucky and then thought, Could I use those Saeng stealth strips under the front crash bars to deflect wind/water around the shoes? Guess it would also deflect blasts of cold air up the trousers, right? For this reason, does anyone have the web page address of Saeng (it's not in the PC web page) so I could try to buy some of this stuff. Alternatively, does anyone have left overs form their bike....about 12" ? I'll pay for the postage and costs. Yu Seung -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GREGORY.EYRICH@EY.COM (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu); Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:45:53 -0400 Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:45:53 -0400 Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:45:53 -0400 To: " - (052)pc800(a)hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: Tell me about the PC800 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:26:54 -0400 I've added my name to the listserv and am waiting final confirmation but I thought I'd get a start on things. I am getting back into riding after a serveral year absense. I started by looking into Dual Sport bikes but then decided, actually my wife decided, that a touring sport would be more practical. As I started looking around the Pacific Coast caught my eye. I saw a '94 with 7000 miles advertised for $4900 and am taking a look at it tonite. I'd like to hear some pro's and con's of this bike. I'm a big guy, 6'4" and 230 lbs. How is the power? What happens with me, my wife, and gear on the bike? (say about 400 lbs) WHat has your experience with reliability and maintenance been? Thanks in advance for your help. Hopefully I'll be on the list by the time you respond or you can reply directly back to my e-mail address. Greg Eyrich gregory.eyrich@ey.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GREGORY.EYRICH@EY.COM (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu); Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:04:34 -0400 Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:04:34 -0400 Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:04:34 -0400 To: " - (052)pc800(a)hpc.uh.edu" Subject: PC800: New, and Hopefully Long Term, Addition Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:59:58 -0400 Just joined the listserv. I'm getting back into riding after a several year hiatus and the Pacific Coast is one of my targets (Along with the BMW if I can swing the $'s). I'm looking forward to hearing about your experiences with the bike and sharing some of my own. Greg Eyrich gregory.eyrich@ey.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jfmoemd@aol.com by emout21.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA15160; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:24:01 -0400 (EDT) To: mashaw@mindspring.com, PILEWIS1@concentric.net cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Rear Top Spoiler Monty, There is available a set of two small brake lights, each consisting of several LEDs - I think maybe 8. I can't tell from the picture but I bet they stick on. When you put on the brakes they flash rapidly and brightly. They are called, "Hyper-Lites." Available from the friendly folk at Sport Touring Accessories 1-800-889-5550 along with several other LED lights you might want to look at. They will gladly send you a brochure. No, I don't work for 'em but I was impressed when they got my new Saeng Stealth edging in two days and no shipping charges! Regards, John in Indy -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id RYC10920; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:55:29 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: I got me a new hard drive! From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:55:29 EDT My crashed hard drive was gingerly milked for its contents by a very talented man, Jeff, at CBM Computers in the University Shopping Center at Rt.123 and Braddock Rd., Fairfax, VA. He is new to me and I feel I can strongly recommend him. I had been using another chap who also is very good but was a hefty trip for me since leaving Arlington VA almost 4 yrs ago. Jeff is reasonably priced and gets the job done as quickly as he promises. Rare these days. Jeff may be found at (703) 278-8989. I am still licking my wounds from my & Carolyn's having the dropsies. We got 2 very nice réponses from Greg and Phil and hope to find more when I crash the net after signing off as I do now by saying "nice group of people here." Rocky -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id SpG10920; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:33:13 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Carolyn From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:33:13 EDT Rocky's wife Carolyn is dancer90@juno.com Signed, Rocky (I have been forwarding what has become a mountain of lovely, kind, warm and welcome words of encouragement and I know they mean alot to Carolyn, so thanks again---moi je suis très touché par toute ça!) {me, I am very touched by it all} -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id TVM10920; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:29:15 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: indian@starklite.com, indian@dorje.com Subject: PC800: Wow. Looking for a seat. From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:29:15 EDT John in Little Rock has put up pictures of Red Cloud, my old Indian. Let me know what you think. The bottom pic has my yoooogly puss in it so if it breaks out your screen, not my fault. Rocky http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/3142/redcloud.html (remove the redcloud.html and see pics from Sturgis-oh la la!) Again thanks, John! BTW, I am looking for a Chumee Seat for the 46 Ind., the one that doesn't increase the seat height too much. TNX. CC: Pacific Coast e-mail net so they can see my ugly puss. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ramin Keyvan" Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:36:19 -0700 To: dancer90@juno.com Subject: PC800: Your recent spills...... Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, rocheux@juno.com Carolyn: First off, I'm real glad your're ok!! I suspect your pride is hurt more than anything else (which if given the choice, would be my preference). The most important thing is to not let that damn horse spook ya! As a friend of mine so often says: "you've just learned one more way *not* to do that". "That" in is this case being stopping and turning right. Learn from it and go out there and get better at the sport you love so much. The important thing to keep in mind is that with time and practice you ***WILL*** get better/smoother/better/faster at riding. And with that increase in skill will come confidence. It takes time though. Don't be in a rush. Take the time to learn things the right way (unlike me, but that's a story for another day ;)). Just the fact that you're out riding puts you in the top 1 or 2 percent of women today in terms of confidence and spirit. Stay there. My fiance Erin rides and I suspect I'm like Rocky when we go riding. I'm always watching my mirrors to make sure she's ok (even though she's **inately** a better rider than I am :-{ ). But I have to be careful not to be too "mother-hen-ish" or I run the risk of taking the joy of riding away from her and I would hate to be responsible for that. Knock on wood she hasn't dropped it yet, but I assume at some point she will and while that scares the hell out of me, I have to accept the fact that I will not always be there and even if I was I couldn't do anything about it anyway. So all I can do is help her practice her skills at every conceivable opportunity. The bottom line is that you not give up riding. I don't know about Rocky but I get such a thrill out of watching Erin navigate curves on her PC (she's so damn good at it!) that I can't imagine not having her as my riding buddy! That's my sermon (for what it's worth ;)). Get out there and get better. Be safe and maybe we'll see you at STAR '98. Cheers, Ramin -- ------------------------------------------------------ |Ramin Keyvan | Voice: 415-846-5169 | |Member Technical Staff/ | FAX: 415-846-1228 | |Release Group | Main #:415-846-5000 | |ramin@tibco.com | Beeper:800-SKY-GRAM | |http://www.tibco.com | Beeper Pin #: 471-3186# | ------------------------------------------------------ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ramin Keyvan" Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:08:23 -0700 "PC800: Wow. Looking for a seat." (Sep 15, 7:29pm) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) Subject: Re: PC800: Wow. Looking for a seat. Rocky!! She's beeeaaauuuutiful!!! Wow! and your yoooogly puss didn't harm my monitor because of the shater proof glass. I did hear some structural groaning from the glass though ;-). Seriously though! What a beaut! I get the feeling she's got a loving home, eh? :-) Happy riding, Ramin On Sep 15, 7:29pm, Rocky E Rocheux wrote: > Subject: PC800: Wow. Looking for a seat. > John in Little Rock has put up pictures of Red Cloud, my old Indian. > Let me know what you think. The bottom pic has my yoooogly puss in it so > if it breaks out your screen, not my fault. > Rocky > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/3142/redcloud.html > (remove the redcloud.html and see pics from Sturgis-oh la la!) > Again thanks, John! > > BTW, I am looking for a Chumee Seat for the 46 Ind., the one that > doesn't increase the seat height too much. TNX. > > CC: Pacific Coast e-mail net so they can see my ugly puss. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >-- End of excerpt from Rocky E Rocheux -- ------------------------------------------------------ |Ramin Keyvan | Voice: 415-846-5169 | |Member Technical Staff/ | FAX: 415-846-1228 | |Release Group | Main #:415-846-5000 | |ramin@tibco.com | Beeper:800-SKY-GRAM | |http://www.tibco.com | Beeper Pin #: 471-3186# | ------------------------------------------------------ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 00:11:27 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Wow. Looking for a seat. Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 20:02:03 -0400 Rocky, What a beautiful Indian. That is some bike to be proud of.I'll ask my friend who has a 1948 Indian about the seat. Vince > BTW, I am looking for a Chumee Seat for the 46 Ind., the one that > doesn't increase the seat height too much. TNX. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mashaw@mindspring.com (Monty Shaw) To: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux) Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Wow. Looking for a seat. Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 00:57:37 GMT Now I have a face to go with all those posts. (Fairly ugly puss, but no worse than mine :-) That is one pretty bike. I have some questions tho. How do you shift it? I can make out the shift thingy on the left side by the handlebars, but where is the clutch lever? I guess that makes me wonder about all the controls. I can see that the right hand brake goes down (I think) to the front brake. And it looks like there is a right foot brake. Is this right? Anyway it sure is a classic looking bike. How big is the engine? How many speeds, etc. TIA ]Monty[ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Fireman Joe" To: "PC800 Listservice" Cc: "Joe Beresford" Subject: PC800: FW: Never left, but I'm back Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:20:02 -0400 Thought I'd pass this along...from the 750 list kinda neat reading, since lately there's been lot's of talk about safer riding, and things like Deal's Gap.... ---------- > From: Patrick Hopkins > To: CB750 List > Subject: Never left, but I'm back > Date: Sunday, 14 September, 1997 2:53 PM > > Hello all: > > I haven't been away, just unintentionally "lurking" - seems either my > Netscape or the listserver account got corrupted, so that my replies and > messages never got forwarded to the list, even though I continued to > receive messages. So, I did the "leave" thing and then re-subscribed. > I've noticed a good number of new members to the list, and I extend a > hearty welcome to each of you. Most of my earlier replies were > reflected by another anyway, but there is one experience I had a couple > of weeks ago that I really wanted to share with you, so here goes... > > While visiting my parents over Labor Day weekend I took the opportunity > to ride "The Dragon," which is an eleven-mile stretch of US 129 at the > NC/TN border containing 318 (that's not a typo) curves. What follows is > my impression of > the ride, along with a rather lengthy missive dealing with what I > encountered there. > > The road: Kudos to Tennessee for keeping their highways in excellent > condition. Not only is the blacktop in superb shape, there are ample > turnouts all along, allowing a rider to pull over and give the > Winnebagos a chance to get further down the mountain before resuming a > proper sporting pace. The Dragon is a highly technical road, best taken > > in 2nd and 3rd gears, with precious few straights; it's basically one > long chain of switchbacks, hairpins, and just a few sweepers. > Surprisingly, there are less blind turns than one would expect. > > The bike: The Nighthawk handled itself with aplomb. As others in this > group have indicated, the OEM Dunlops start to get greasy as you > approach the limit, but breakaway is gradual - still, I look forward to > replacing them, as well as the fork springs and shocks with > Progressives, next year. I even held off a CBR 600 for a mile or so, > until he had enough and passed me on a short straight (much more on this > > and related topics to come.) Still, for a so-called "bargain standard," > > I was very pleased with my Nighthawk's performance. > > The area: There's a biker-only campground at the south end of The > Dragon. The store there offers T-shirts, souvenirs, etc. and is a great > > place to rub shoulders with other riders. The BMW owner's group is > holding a rally in the area this week. Riders of all stripes come for a > > taste of this excellent road, and other roads in the area offer > magnificent scenery and all-around great riding. (Be sure to check out > the new Cherohala Skyway - it has the best views this side of the Blue > Ridge Parkway!) Along with the > requisite glut of sportbikes were Gold Wingers pulling trailers, > Harleys, and even dual-sports (and everyone waves!) Unfortunately, much > > like southern California, there was also an inordinate number of... > > The squids: Racer wannabees. Takers of inordinate risks. Blind-turn > passers. Loud pipes, slicks, and wheelies. Our sport is fighting a > never-ending PR battle (we all must daily defuse the "murdercycle" and > "Hell's Angels" comments), and nothing does more harm to our efforts > than the behavior I witnessed on that road. Two of them ran a 4x4 off > the road in a right-hander with oncoming traffic. (Luckily, there was a > > small turnout.) On the return leg, I came upon the aftermath of a > crash. A squid was heading for a left-handed hairpin, came in way too > hot, locked his brakes, and threw his Katana down the gully on the > inside of the turn. (Lucky for him there wasn't a pickup truck coming > the other way at the time.) By the time I got there and stopped to > offer > help, his buddies were pulling what was left of the bike out of the > gully with a rope and putting it on a trailer. Miraculously, the rider > was okay; word was he was back at the campground changing his shorts. > No doubt Daddy will buy him a new bike and he'll be back. > > Racer/motojournalist Nick Ienatsch wrote a great piece while he was > editor of Motorcyclist magazine. In it he advanced the concept of what > he calls "The Pace." In a nutshell, The Pace is riding at a spirited > and challenging speed, but always leaving a margin for the conditions at > > hand. Ienatsch went on to stress the importance of staying in your own > lane (actually adds to the challenge) and not competing with other > riders (your Pace may be different from the next guy's.) This is a very > > sound concept for riding on public roads, roads that we share with > people who may write their representatives to complain about the bikers > that scared them to death. > > A personal note to the squids out there: If you're so goddamned good, > join a club and go to the racetrack. I can't tell you not to ride on > public roads, since you pay taxes for them the same as I. I implore > you, though, to consider The Pace as an alternative to your reckless, > let-it-all-hang-out style. Your feeble impersonation of Scott Russell > is ruining it for the rest of us. > > +++++++++ My Tag Lines +++++++ Fireman_Joe@CompuServe.Com hailing from CINCINNATI, OH USA!!! cableguy@one.net cellular 513-535-8203 ====I SUPPORT / ENDORSE:======= Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email- http://www.cauce.org Honda Sport Touring Assoc. http://members.aol.com/hstawww Pacific Coast 800 http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800/ Time-Warner Cable Communications http://www.pathfinder.com ********Favorite Star Trek site- http://www.holodeck3.com Want to getaway to a lake or have a golf weekend- http://www.reynoldsgolf.com ========================================= -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/970903) via SMTP id WAA13304 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:39:16 -0400 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: FW: PC800: Additional brake light Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:31:20 -0400 While I like Dana Sawyer's suggestion to use the amber signal lights as well as the regular tail lights, I believe the problem is the same one the Fed's were trying to address when they required the high brake light on autos. The lights on the PC are just too low to be noticeable. Just take a look a the back of a Gold Wing at night. Now THAT'S noticeable. I too would welcome an aesthetically appealing higher brake light. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/970903) via SMTP id WAA13295; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:39:12 -0400 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'Rocky Rocheux'" Cc: "'PC800 List'" Subject: RE: PC800: Bummed. Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:24:50 -0400 Rocky, I'm sorry to hear of your and Carolyn's bad luck but fortunately you're both okay. Riding a motorcycle is not something which comes naturally and, indeed, some people apparently aren't meant to be there. It's particularly difficult for someone who doesn't routinely drive a manual shift vehicle since one has to worry about being in the correct gear plus keeping the machine balanced on two wheels. I have been riding for years and occasionally find myself in the wrong gear when the light turns green. Obviously no one can answer the BIG question for Carolyn but her. It sounds like she wants to persevere so keep encouraging and coaching. She'll definitely get better with experience and that's what she needs. In the meantime I'd suggest planning routes which minimize her exposure to heavy traffic and high risk situations until she gets more experience. I can REALLY identify with your concerns since my wife just recently started riding again and has never really ridden a real motorcyle until recently. She has had a couple of close calls on lane merges mostly due to lack of respect on the part of the auto drivers and it's scarey to see a situation like that developing and not be able to do anything about it. We have a very good friend who rides also and usually he rides in front of her and I ride behind. We can sort of block the traffic away from her as she gains experience. She does great at speed but really has to concentrate to get the bike in the right gear when stopping or moving slowly. She's killed it a number of times at lights but fortunately hasn't dropped it. Her confidence is building and this week I taught her to counter-steer for better cornering control. There's no substitute for riding time. Try to provide Carolyn with more under the safest conditions you can find. Around here Sunday mornings are a great time to ride because traffic is so light. As far as the damaged covers. I laid my PC over once similar to your situation. I wasn't moving and it just sort of went down slow and touched both the covers to the asphalt. At that point, I caught it and (strain) picked it back up. The roughness of the asphalt carved little groves right thru the paint pretty deeply into the underlying black plastic. The damage was confined to the lower side of the covers and I was able to repair it to my satisfaction. I went to a local auto paint store and they mixed up paint to match the lower color on my '95. It is a metallic silver and they did a pretty good job. I sanded the damaged area of the plastic first with 150 and then with 400 grit paper. Then I painted it (pretty thick coating). After the paint dried completely, I sanded it again with 400 grit paper on a sanding block to level it and then used rubbing compound to smooth it even more. If you look closely you can see it was repaired; but few people will inspect closely enough to notice. Take care and keep safe. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by tricon.net (8.6.10/970903) via SMTP id XAA14239; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 23:02:28 -0400 envelope-from (jrandall@tricon.net) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall To: "'mskrocki@meldrum.com'" Cc: "'PC800 List'" Subject: RE: PC800: bike-to-bike communicators Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:37:29 -0400 Well, I haven't actually seen the radios but the write-up says there is a lapel mic/speaker available. This means there must be jacks for external mic, speaker and PTT key. I received this post a while back: I have found a product that is specificly made for CB hand helds or HT ham radios. It has 1 ear speaker with boom mike, PTT switch handle bar mount,and is made to be installed in full face motorcycle helmets. The wire plugs fit the radio shack hand held CB and non Kenwood 2 meter ham HT radios. It is made by Comet , part #BJP514 Price $69.95 and can be ordered from Amateur Electronic Supply 1-800-558-0411 Hope this helps............... Dan Moranz Landrum, S.C. KF4RVQ It's possible this same unit will work with the Cobra units. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mskrocki@meldrum.com [SMTP:mskrocki@meldrum.com] Sent: Monday, September 15, 1997 6:23 AM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: bike-to-bike communicators What kind of headset would work with these radios? Enjoy the ride. Mark Skrocki Sandra & Mark Skrocki 89 PC800 "Jackson" hers / 85 VF1100S "Almighty Aphrodite" his Shaker Hts., OH mskrocki@meldrum.com _______________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: PC800: bike-to-bike communicators ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jim Randall at ~Internet ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 9/14/97 7:15 AM For those of you looking for bike-to-bike communicators (and particularly those who need two, like me), check out http://www.cobraelec.com/cb3.html for the deal on reconditioned Cobra HH40 Handheld 27Mhz CB. 40 channel, 4watts, etc --- a PAIR for $89.95. Jim Randall jrandall@tricon.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. The following is an attached File item from cc:Mail. It contains information that had to be encoded to ensure successful transmission through various mail systems. To decode the file use the UUDECODE program. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. << File: RFC822.TXT >> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com by emout20.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id IAA07682 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:11:57 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Tell me about the PC800 Hi Greg, and welcome to the list: In a message dated 97-09-16 01:30:18 EDT, you write: << I'm a big guy, 6'4" and 230 lbs. How is the power? What happens with me, my wife, and gear on the bike? (say about 400 lbs) WHat has your experience with reliability and maintenance been? >> 400 lbs will exceed the spec. load capacity of the PC by about 30 lbs (actually, it also exceeds the load capacity of a new Valkyrie by a couple of lbs). However, as I'm sure they will tell you, there are several folks on this list in your size category who ride two-up routinely with no trouble. The PC is no powerhouse, but it has adequate power for nearly all riding situations, provided a little common sense is factored into your riding habits. I wouldn't try a crotch-rocket pass on the outside of of an up-hill, off-camber sweeper in the rockies, for example. Maintenance/reliability: I don't think you'll find a machine that is any better in this category. With the exeception of an apparent stator problem on some of the '89s (mine is still hanging in there) and a few who have reported some clutch slipping (due to sagged out clutch springs), there are no inherent problems with the design. I suspect most on this list will report having to do only routine, scheduled maintenance on their machines. If you're looking for a comfortable