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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 01:54:08 -0400 (EDT)
To: bigair@bigfoot.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: TDM's and other bikes
In a message dated 6/28/97 8:32:54 PM EST, you write:
<< Also I saw a 96 VFR 750 with only 1500 miles on it. Now I'm trying to
think if that would be a cool thing to have. I love my PC and it is the
perfect commuter bike but a VFR would sure be nice. The perfect solution ,
of course, is to have two bikes but that is not feasible. Ideas?
>>
Just my $.02 but, I just returned from STAR ( A Honda Sport Touring Assoc.
event... e-mail me if you want more details on this great group). I live in
Chicago and rode out to Eufala, OK ( 100 miles east of Oklahoma City) and
then continued on to Taos, NM (site of next years rally) north through the
Rockies, through South Dakota (yes I went to Sturgis) all on the PC in 10
days ( coverd 3900 miles) The above was to establish my credentials. While at
aformentioned STAR I test rode a VFR (thanks Cory), a BlackBird XX, a VTR, a
CBR 600 and an ST. The VFR is absolutely a contendor for an every day bike.
The seating position is not very erect and the bag issue exists but for one
up SPORT touring, one could make a case for the VFR. Good power, great
suspension and handles very well. I'm not trading the PC however. The bike
ran great for the entire trip. However, fully loaded, two up, at 85 + mph for
extended stretches through the Rockies at 5,000 to 12,000 feet, I heard a
ticking like valve train noise comin' from the motor. The noise would go away
after about 10 seconds at idle. 92 Octane fuel seemed to help but not
eliminate the noise. Any ideas???
Z
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 02:06:16 -0400 (EDT)
To: jhyder@erols.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 Inquiery
In a message dated 6/29/97 9:27:58 PM EST, you write:
<< Welcome to the list, Bob. As you will learn If you have the misfortune of
hanging around here long, we are a strange bunch of people who own the PC800
(which we frequently call the "Piece of Crap 800") because we are all
masochists. It is a horrible bike: slow, hard to handle, stupid looking, >>
and more of the same.....
James, toooooo funnnyyyyyy
And for the rest of ya, ummmm, yeah, what HE said....
Z
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Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 06:03:32 -0400
From: "Gary E. Klim"
To: Rocky E Rocheux
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Splines
Rocky E Rocheux wrote:
>
> I read where one found his 96 PC (with 5K miles) splines on driveshaft
> at
> CV joint had too little grease. Is this possible? I have the same
> year
> with the same mileage. Would you suggest I have this checked?
It's not a difficult procedure to do yourself. The only special items
you'll need is Moly grease and a torque wrench. I can scan the procedure
from the service manual and send it to you if you'd like.
gk
________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 19:41:05 +0800
From: Poh Yu Seung
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: oil report
Hi everyone,
As promised awhile back, here's my observations on the Esso 100%
synthetic I've been using. The engine has gotten rougher during
acceleration and the oil is now black. I felt concerned the color
should change so soon as the oil change interval is 8000miles and I had
only covered 4000 and wasn't impressed by the speed it gets black.
Anyway, had some free time today, popped into the local garage to see my
mechanic. Discussed with him in detail about the tinkling sound that I
hear when cruising above 5000 rpm. So he suggests I put in a bottle of
Slick50 to see if it takes away the tinkling sound. I figured, might as
well get new oil in the process and no regrets so far. Rode all the way
home with a bike feeling like new! Smoooth gear change, quietened
engine, and more power too! this Slick 50 stuff is really good. Put
in a total of 2.7 litres of Esso and 0.5 litres of Slick 50. I'll
monitor the level in the sump, to see if it drops and if the engine is
burning any oil. Otherwise, I'll have to troubleshoot the tinkling
sound another time.
Yu Seung
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From: J.S.Allan@open.ac.uk (John Allan)
To: pohys@singnet.com.sg
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 13:49:09 +0100
Subject: Re: PC800: oil report
pohys@singnet.com.sg,Internet writes:
>Smoooth gear change, quietened
>engine, and more power too! this Slick 50 stuff is really good.
What effect does it have on the clutch? I thoght that these additives
affected the clutch and increased clutch slip??
John
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Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 08:52:50 -0700
From: "Gregg L. DesElms"
To: Guy & Sonya
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: used condition
Guy & Sonya wrote:
>
> In the next several months, I hope to purchase a used PC800. I recently
> looked at a '94 with 26K miles - asking price of $4,400. It did not look
> like it had been dropped but it did have scuff marks and some paint worn
> off of it on the lower rear panels (it was black and silver). Is it common
> to find used ones with scuffs and dings or should I hold out for a clean
> one?
>
Overall I suspect PC800 owners tend to take care of them. They get
admired and commented on a lot when you're out on them (I've been talked
to while sitting at stop lights, when coming out of stores, etc.). This
tends, I think, to make a PC owner want to keep it looking spiffy. My
experience has been that there are A LOT of "MINT" condition PC800s out
there -- even with high miles. This does *not* mean that the one you're
looking at would not be a good purchase. But DO shop around (that's
just common sense in any case).
> Is it possible to touch up the paint or does one have to replace the whole
> plastic panel?
>
As some may remember I discussed in a lengthy posting over a year ago,
the PC800 paint jobs are multi-coat projects with clearcoat as the
outermost paint layer. Whether it's a bike or an automobile, those
kinds of paint jobs don't respond well to touch-up paint -- at least
not in obvious places or for larger scratches. If you try to repaint
(or even replace) an entire panel (even if you have a pro paint it), you
may have a paint matching problem for two reasons:
Firstly, especially with the red bikes, there will probably be sun
fade. Secondly, with respect to re-painting, Honda doesn't sell paint
in anything other than little touch-up bottles, and you'd never want to
use that paint to repaint a whole panel, even if you bought 300
touch-up bottles (which would be insane in any case)! This leaves
trying to find matching paint in the aftermarket (and remember, it's a
multi-layer process, so you're actually talking more than one paint,
plus the clear). But westerners make paints differently than the
Japanese. Many motorcycle manufacturers use paints which contain high
levels of non-petroleum-based, organic pigments and other such compounds
(tree saps, in some cases), whereas western paint manufacturers use
mostly petroleum-based pigments and other similar ingredients. So it's
*quite* difficult for western paint manufacturers to mix-up paints with
a good match (even with the help of a spectrum analyzer).
The only guy I've ever known who seems to have figured it out (and I
mean REALLY figured it out) is the guy who owns a company called "Color
Right (that may not be spelled the way he spells it) Labs" in... let
me think... is it Chatsworth, CA? (Someone correct me if I'm wrong
about that city). If you own a Honda motorcycle and you need to repaint
an entire panel, the Color Right product is the only solution, in my
opinion. That guy understands motorcycle paint like no one I've ever
talked to. And his colors are right on the mark. But remember, his
colors match the factory NEW colors. If you have a lot of fading,
you're potentially screwed. And, of course, the sun fading problem
would also potentially be a factor if you replaced a panel with one from
a dealer.
Good luck in your search for the perfect PC!
Gregg DesElms
deselms@royal.net
'89 PC800
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Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 09:04:53 -0700
From: "Gregg L. DesElms"
To: holcomjl@flyernet.udayton.edu
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: 96' PC Should we...
Paul & Kirsten Lawson wrote:
> I know the book on this
> is a little over $7k.
>
Yeah, maybe RETAIL... at a dealer! Still sounds too high for Ohio.
Maybe it's an okay price on one of the coasts, but not the midwest.
I've seen new '96s in that price range, but the "used" status and the
miles should drop it to around $5,900 -- probably less. I say keep
looking, or tell 'em you'll only pay that price if they throw-in a
backrest and a pair of (near)matching Shoei RF700s (with extra smoked
shields, of course).
Gregg DesElms
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Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 09:30:24 -0700
From: "Gregg L. DesElms"
To: scotp1965@mdn.net
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: used PC-800?
Scot Piper wrote:
>
> Anyways, there is a '90 PC800 in the Trader magazine in MI with 14k
> miles and the owner wants $4500. Sounds awful high to me. I have not
> seen the bike yet or talked with the owner. Any thoughts on that
> price? Has anyone else seen one for sale in the MI, OH, IN, IL area?
>
In my opinion, in that part of the US, that's precisely $500 too much --
maybe more depending on its condition. To my disappointment, I feel
there isn't a '90 in this country that's worth more than $4,000 -- no
matter how "mint," and no matter what's been added to it. It may
interest you to know, however, that, in my opinion, you're considering
the model year on which Honda applied the coolest PC red paint job of
all the red model years (but that's just an opinion, of course.)
NOTE: Other listers may think I'm being inordinately negative about PC
pricing -- in this and other posts. But once you wreck one, and then
argue with an insurance company, and then shop the entire country trying
to find that "perfect" replacement, you get a real education -- by
fire. It's humbling, and it's made me cynical. Sorry.
> Also, what differences are there from year to year other than color?
> Gordon mentioned some years have self-canceling turn signals, and others
> don't. Any other differences other than cosmetic?
>
Starting with the '90 model, most of the "bugs" were worked-out. There
were more than 60 changes from '89 to '90 -- mostly fit and finish,
but also a couple noteworthy changes like windscreen and stator (at
least I THINK it was '90 when the stator thing got fixed, wasn't it?).
After '90, there are relatively few differences from year to year other
than color. In '97 they stripped-off the plastic covers on the front
rotors (a mistake, in my opinion) and I believe that's the first model
year for no self-cancelling turn signals (another mistake, in my
opinion). Someone correct me if I'm wrong about those changes.
> I tried to get her [my wife] to ride my Shadow,
> but she's not interested. :-(
>
Shoulda' checked that out before 'ya married her! (I'm kidding... sort
of!) ;-)
Gregg DesElms
deselms@royal.net
'89 PC800
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Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 10:07:45 -0700
From: "Stephen A. Churchill"
To: James Hyder
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 Inquiery
James Hyder wrote:
>
> ** Reply to note from "Robert F. Wolf" Sun, 29 Jun 1997 18:47:19 -0400
> > My wife and myself are thinking about purchasing a PC800 and want to know
> > what everyone thinks about the bike. We owned a Wing for many years.
> > Although very comfortable, I like a small bike better. The Wings can be
> > hard to handle except on the highway.
>
> Welcome to the list, Bob. As you will learn If you have the misfortune of
> hanging around here long, we are a strange bunch of people who own the PC800
> (which we frequently call the "Piece of Crap 800") because we are all
> masochists. It is a horrible bike: slow, hard to handle, stupid looking,
> constantly breaking down, difficult and expensive to repair when it does, and
> in general the just about the worst thing that has ever been made with two
> wheels........... ETC.
> --James Hyder
> Columbia, MD USA
> '89 PC800, bought new in '91, 27K+ miles
>
If you read the traffic on the list you will see James' comments are so
tongue-in-cheek that it's about to pop out the other side. There are
many of us who put in the
long miles the the PC is designed for and would have no other bike.
There a several ex-Wing riders who have chosen the PC because it retains
the good aspects of the Wing(smooth, quiet, comfortable two-up riding
for long distances) and yet has better gas mileage (~50mpg) and is much
easier in traffic, twisties, and parking lots. The only down side
compared to a Wing is there is not the tremendous power of the 1500
though there is plenty to keep two-up 75 mph all day without panting and
speed up any mountains to boot. I like the radio/intercom on the Wing
but most of the PC riders who want one have installed one. Several
riders in our group have CD players, tape players, CB radios, and one
even has a HAM radio. If you want the extra space of the high trunk the
GIVI box @ 50 liters is another popular modification; plus it's
removable so you don't have to carry it all the time. All in all the PC
is a great bike that has long legs and comfort and still retains that
measure of sportiness.
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 11:24:17 -0900
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula"
Subject: PC800: Running hot
> However, fully loaded, two up, at 85 + mph for
>extended stretches through the Rockies at 5,000 to 12,000 feet, I heard a
>ticking like valve train noise comin' from the motor. The noise would go away
>after about 10 seconds at idle. 92 Octane fuel seemed to help but not
>eliminate the noise. Any ideas???
Hi Todd. My guess, from your description, is that you were running lean
and hot, causing detonation, or pinging. Especially since you said the
higher octane helped. It could be that you got some oxy-fuel there
somewhere. Unless you will continue to encounter the same riding
conditions, I wouldn't worry about it. Just make sure the Air filter is
clean, the carbs balanced and the plugs in good shape. Good luck!
Juan
"We few, we happy few, we band of PC Riders"
-- With apologies to William
Shakespeare
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Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 15:35:43 -0700
From: "Peter B. Tamblyn"
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Nighthawk for sale
While I'm a PC800 owner, my son has a 1992 Nighthawk that I'm helping him
sell. Approx 6K miles, excellent condition, custom plum/pearl paint,
Supertrapp. $3500. Call Jeff in Atlanta area at 770-426-6441
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From: "Hopkins, Henning & Robuck"
To: "PC 800 list"
Subject: Re: PC800: TDM's and other bikes
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 16:40:18 -0600
you write
"The bike ran great for the entire trip. However, fully loaded, two up, at
85 + mph for
> extended stretches through the Rockies at 5,000 to 12,000 feet, I heard a
> ticking like valve train noise comin' from the motor. The noise would go
away
> after about 10 seconds at idle. 92 Octane fuel seemed to help but not
> eliminate the noise. Any ideas???"
>
One idea is that the gas in Colorado SUCKS!!!!!!!! We have oxy fuels all
winter and some places run ethonol all year round. You will also notice
that our octance ratings are lower. Regular unleaded is 85 octane up here.
Someone else on the list said you might be running lean but I don't think
so. Usually when you go up in altitude you run rich. That's why all those
crummy RV's are blowing black smoke. I just had mine up at 12,000 ft and
it didn't run very well at all. And mine is set up for 5000 ft. Was it
hot out when you were running? Could just be too much load at a low RPM.
You lose a lot of power at altitude. Something like 20% for every 5000 ft.
And let's face it the PC doesn't have much power to lose. Could just be
lugging it. That's my 2 cents.
Brian Hopkins
'89 PC 800 GS ( the dirt road version- at least it thinks it is)
20,199 miles
PS I assume you went over trail ridge road. If so did you like it?
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 15:43:28 -0900
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula"
Subject: PC800: Running lean
>One idea is that the gas in Colorado SUCKS!!!!!!!! We have oxy fuels all
>winter and some places run ethonol all year round. You will also notice
>that our octance ratings are lower. Regular unleaded is 85 octane up here.
> Someone else on the list said you might be running lean but I don't think
>so. Usually when you go up in altitude you run rich.
Well, you'd figure that someone who runs snowmobiles all winter should know
that you run rich when going up in altitude, DUH!. I guess fuel injection
has spoiled me beyond hope. You are correct, _but_ , oxy fuels will cause
your engine to run leaner (oxy=more oxygen in the mixture). Altitude
should have compensated for the increase in oxygen though, so yes, you
probably got a pretty crummy batch of fuel. Thanks Brian, for setting the
record straight. (And long live EFI! :-)
Juan
>'89 PC 800 GS ( the dirt road version- at least it thinks it is)
You got a set of knobbies on that thing? ;-)
"We few, we happy few, we band of PC Riders"
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From: "Hopkins, Henning & Robuck"
To: "PC 800 list"
Subject: Re: PC800: Running lean
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 19:30:28 -0600
Juan wrote "
>'89 PC 800 GS ( the dirt road version- at least it thinks it is)
You got a set of knobbies on that thing? ;-)"
You know it wasn't too bad with the metzlers until the rocks and potholes
got over say 6" tall. But the group of ten bighorn sheep maybe 20 feet
from us as we came around a turn definately made it worthwhile.
Do you think this will cause another go around of Dunlop vs. Metzlers?
Brian Hopkins
89 PC 800 GS
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 00:05:35 -0500
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From: rnielsen@isd.net (Ray Nielsen)
Subject: PC800: Clutch info for PC owners
Hope this doesn't anger anyone, and that someone will actually get to read
it, as I'm not currently a subscriber to the PC mailing list.
Just completed a clutch replacement on my ex PC. The friend I sold it too
noticed a slipping clutch after riding it a bit harder than I did. This was
at about 84K miles.
To make a long story shorter, we replaced the clutch plates and springs with
"heavy duty" pieces from KG Clutch Factory. Got them through a local
aftermarket shop; they got them from Parts Unlimited, a large national
supplier.
The plates (7)are all similar where the Honda plates are of two different
types of facings. To our suprise the clutch plates were close to specs for
new plates; i.e. the thickness was very close to 3.8mm. New specs were
listed at 3.792-3.808mm with replacement limits at 3.30mm.
The springs however were noticeably too short at 36.5mm, the exact lower
limit for free length. The KG springs were a full 38.1mm about 0.1mm longer
than the Honda spec for new ones. The spring material is definitely thicker
and the clutch pull is noticeably "stiffer", although not really hard at
all. The effect is truly remarkable; under a chopped throttle the bike
actually nosedives now -- I'd guess it had been slipping before. The take
up is very smooth and although we didn't try to make it slip on purpose it
has a pronounced take up and feels better than I remember it as new.
I'd suggest that many PC clutches don't need new plates, simply springs.
Since the plates were $92 and the springs only $10 we could probably have
used the original plates. Since we had it apart already, and we had special
ordered the plates, we put the new ones in and buttoned up the job about 3
hours after we started. Doing the job from the manual might take a bit
longer if you haven't had the plastic off, but with the manual it really
isn't tough. The worst and most time consuming part was scraping the old
gasket from the crankcase side. Why can't gaskets stick to the cover side?
It sure would make it easier to prep them for the new gasket.
Hope this in useful information -- you can e-mail me at
rnielsen@isd.net if you have further questions. Even though I don't
subsribe to the list or own a PC, I still enjoy tinkering with them and like
to see one kept running as long as possible.
Ray Nielsen
AMA, HSTA, BMWMOA, BMW Motorcycle Owners Club of MN, and commander of the
yellow submarine, a 96 Honda Nighthawk 750.
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 00:37:16 -0500 (CDT)
From: greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers)
Subject: Re: PC800: 96' PC Should we...
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Paul wrote:
>They have a used 96' PC with
>9700 miles on the clock, and 2 years of unlimited mileage warranty
>left. The bike is good shape, although I don't like the pinstriping
on
>it. I got them to go down to $6995 to start (from $7600), and the guy
>said with cash in hand we could have enough power to get another
>$300-500 knocked off.
That price is ridiculous!! I paid $5,995 for a 96 with 2,081 miles,
from a dealer, in mint condition, six months ago in Los Angeles. You
can probably buy a brand new 97 for 7,600 or so.
Greg Chambers
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From: Alex Vrenios
Subject: Re: PC800: 96' PC We should...
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 08:26:47 -0700 (MST)
All,
The PC800 Web pages are a very important starting point for anyone,
like myself, who is looking to buy a new or used machine. These comments
about "that's a fair price" or "that's way to high" might be documented
there somehow. It would help someone like me who might see a '94 with 18k
miles for $4800; I might get at least an idea of what condition to expect
it be in for that price. (And it might save me a trip if the price is way
out of line!)
Here's the suggestion: a table with three entries for each available
used model year, where each of the three entries has HIGH, AVERAGE, and
LOW mileage ranges along with the "excellent condition" recommended price.
Okay, "excellent" means different things to different people, prices
vary across the nation, and even average mileage is subjective. It still
might be a big benefit. Comments?
In an earlier email to me Greg Chambers said:
>
> Paul wrote:
> >They have a used 96' PC with
> >9700 miles on the clock, and 2 years of unlimited mileage warranty
> >left. The bike is good shape, although I don't like the pinstriping
> on
> >it. I got them to go down to $6995 to start (from $7600), and the guy
> >said with cash in hand we could have enough power to get another
> >$300-500 knocked off.
>
> That price is ridiculous!! I paid $5,995 for a 96 with 2,081 miles,
> from a dealer, in mint condition, six months ago in Los Angeles. You
> can probably buy a brand new 97 for 7,600 or so.
>
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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 23:39:36 +0800
From: Poh Yu Seung
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
CC: cycworx@singnet.com.sg, cycprc@singnet.com.sg, dannykah@singnet.com.sg,
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Subject: PC800: Slick 50?
Hi everyone,
I've got a problem and really really need advice.
My Pacific Coast develops a metallic ticking sound (like an old Singer
sewing machine) if I ride at 5500+ rpm for more than 10 minutes. (Micky
and Danny, you've both heard this sound before). City riding will not
create this problem. So the regular mechanic I go to tells me I ought
to try using Slick 50, the oil additive.
I put in a 500ml bottle and changed the oil at the same time. So now
i've got new Esso synthetic in there. Gear lever is much smoother and
engine seems quieter at idle but I've not tried the 5500+ rpm test yet.
Someone wrote in yesterday, telling me Slick 50 will shorten the clutch
life and cause overheating. He says it's meant for engines without wet
clutches, such as car engines.
Big question. What do I do? leave the Slick 50 in there and go for a
high speed run? Or take out the Slick 50 before it causes clutch slip?
I'm really lost on this issue so i'll just total the number of yes and
no's to decide the right thing to do. Help! Yu Seung
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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 09:56:55 -0700
From: PILEWIS1
To: Guy & Sonya
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: used condition
Guy & Sonya wrote:
>
>
> Is it possible to touch up the paint or does one have to replace the whole
> plastic panel?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Guy Chinn
> PC800less
>
> -Guy Chinn (Fremont, CA)
I don't know if this will be of help of not, but your best bet is to
paint the whole panel. As for matching the color, I found a local paint
shop that will match the paint, including fading. I wanted to repaint
my crash bar covers, so I just gave him one of my covers and he matched
it in a few days. He doesn't use a computer, just has the talent to mix
and match the ingredients. He charges $35 for the match, which includes
a pint of paint and one spray can. He can make about 4 more cans at
$5.50 each using the remaining pint of matched paint. Hopefully, you
can find a shop like that in your area.
If you can't, I can give you the name and address of the place here in
Mission Viejo, but it would be a little difficult doing this long
distance, what with having to mail parts back and forth.
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To: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Running lean
From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 11:06:09 EDT
You better ask for an expert in fuels to speak here. I had a very good
explanation years ago why the octane rating MUST DROP at high altitude.
You would not want a higher rating, you'd want a lower one.
Higher octane for higher demands is not a valid correlative assumption
from what this man said. Someone can call the Mobil hotline and they
will explain it.
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 22:02:25 +0200 (MET DST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Gerard Diepeveen
Subject: PC800: For Jason
Hi guys and gals, sorry to bother you with this message, but some guy named
Jason (NOT Jason Tibbits III) send me an email, but when I replied on it, it
came back.
Please Jason if you read this send me an email, it concerns the FAQ email
you send me.
Your email address should be: crazyapple@xibmx.net but all the messages keep
coming back to me.
Again sorry for this message, have a nice ride.
Gerard Diepeveen
0000 0000 0 0 Gerard Diepeveen '89 White
0 0 0 0 00 0 Pacific Coast Netherlands
0000 0 0 0 0 ---------- Visit the ----------
0 0 0 0 00 Honda Pacific Coast Netherlands
0 0000 0 0 webpage http://www.dsv.nl/~pcn/
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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 16:22:13 -0500
To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Jon J. Berg"
Subject: PC800: '95 PC800 For Sale
Moving to southern CA from WI 7/25/97. Looking to sell my 1995 PC800. Fair
weather rider, 2,400 miles .. runs and looks like new, pampered for the
winters and well cared for in the season, no dings or blemishes, never
dropped or scraped. Will probably get another new one next year out west,
but need to lighten the "load" for now. Happy to discuss inquiries ... $5,500.
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From: BobS17@aol.com
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Wed, 2 Jul 1997 17:33:31 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 17:33:31 -0400 (EDT)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: New To Group
I'm new to the list, so thought I'd add the following:
Name: Bob Saunders
Location: Nashville, TN
Email: bobs17@aol.com
PC Model year: 1990, 31,000
Bought Used/New: Used (two years ago)
Modifications made to bike: Rear luggage rack. Extended passenger back
rest. Intercom & CB system. Air horns. Works Performance shocks.
Progressive fork springs. DC power distribution strip (for accessories).
Trunk lights. Throttle lock.
I've been browsing the archives quite a bit in the past few days and
appreciate all the information. Found the answer to the fuel smells, and
hope to remedy that soon. Hope I'm not being redundant in asking the
following questions, but can't seem to find the answer. Heck I didn't even
have the questions 'till I read the archives!
I only recently replaced the fork springs with Progressives. In doing so, I
carefully measured 11.1 ozs of fork oil (per the manual), and put that into
each spring. Three questions have arisen from the archives. First, I didn't
bother to do any math to find out that 375cc doesn't equal 11.1 ozs. What
kind of problem does this present? Secondly is there a difference in the
amount for the left and right spring, and what kind of problem does this
present? And finally, I see that 15 wt seems to be the recommended oil for
the springs. Based on a letter from Progressive in the most recent issue of
MCN, they had recommended using 10 wt oil for any brand that had specified
ATF for use in the forks. Not really knowing what Honda used in the PC, I
guessed this was a pretty good oil to use. Any known problems with this?
Thanks in advance for any information.....Bob
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From: Alex Vrenios
Subject: PC800: HAM owners?
To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 14:39:01 -0700 (MST)
Hi,
I saw something earlier about someone who installed a HAM radio
on a PC 800. I don't have my bike yet, but I plan to have at least
a 2 meter handheld and a 2-to-18W amplifier. I would be interested
in experiences installing and using same - thanks!
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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 15:16:48 -0700
From: Alan Taylor
To: pohys@singnet.com.sg
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, cycworx@singnet.com.sg, cycprc@singnet.com.sg,
dannykah@singnet.com.sg, micky@pacific.net.sg, ken_ng@pacific.net.sg,
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Subject: Re: PC800: Slick 50?
Poh Yu Seung wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I've got a problem and really really need advice.
>
> My Pacific Coast develops a metallic ticking sound (like an old Singer
>
> sewing machine) if I ride at 5500+ rpm for more than 10 minutes.
> (Micky
> and Danny, you've both heard this sound before). City riding will not
>
> create this problem. So the regular mechanic I go to tells me I ought
>
> to try using Slick 50, the oil additive.
>
> I put in a 500ml bottle and changed the oil at the same time. So now
> i've got new Esso synthetic in there. Gear lever is much smoother and
>
> engine seems quieter at idle but I've not tried the 5500+ rpm test
> yet.
> Someone wrote in yesterday, telling me Slick 50 will shorten the
> clutch
> life and cause overheating. He says it's meant for engines without
> wet
> clutches, such as car engines.
>
> Big question. What do I do? leave the Slick 50 in there and go for a
>
> high speed run? Or take out the Slick 50 before it causes clutch
> slip?
>
> I'm really lost on this issue so i'll just total the number of yes and
>
> no's to decide the right thing to do. Help! Yu Seung
My vote is get the stuff out. slick 50 has a web page and help line at I
believe http://www.slick50.com. ask them what they think.
Alan
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From: TedJ101@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 18:23:55 -0400 (EDT)
To: schrchll@inetworld.net, Daniel.MacKay@dal.ca
cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Wearing The Pegs
In a message dated 97-06-28 03:12:44 EDT, schrchll@INETWORLD.NET (Stephen A.
Churchill) writes:
<< I must be some kind of Wuss. I have never dragged a peg on either of my
PC's and have leaned it on occaision much farther than I felt
comfortable. Could it be that you guys are leaning the bike inside with
your body to the outside? (the opposite of the kneedragging racing
turn) That would scrape the pegs on turns where it would be otherwise
unnecessary. >>
Dan,
Not me. I can scrape the pegs even when hanging off to the inside racing
style. BTW, you will find that you can touch the pegs easily if you have the
preload set at the standard 2, but that there is significantly more ground
clearance if you up it all the way to 4...
Regards,
<>
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 18:25:52 -0400 (EDT)
To: bigair@bigfoot.com, Pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: TDM's and other bikes
In a message dated 97-06-28 21:32:54 EDT, bigair@bigfoot.com (Hopkins,
Henning & Robuck) writes:
<< oday went to the bike store. (which always seems to cost me money.:)) My
buddy saw an older TDM 850 with about 25,000 mi and large GIVI bags and
luggage rack. Looked like a pretty cool bike. They want $4000 but I think
(?) they could be talked down. Does anybody know anything about these
bikes? Good? Bad? Touring? Commuting? All opinions appreciated.
>>
I have a friend with one and have ridden with him pretty extensively. It is
a very capable all rounder. Worth a second look at least...
Regards,
<>
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From: "Hopkins, Henning & Robuck"
To: "PC 800 list"
Subject: Re: PC800: '95 PC800 For Sale
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 16:39:59 -0600
----------
> From: Jon J. Berg writes
> Moving to southern CA from WI 7/25/97. Looking to sell my 1995 PC800. .
>
Don't do it!!!!
A bike is the only way to get around in SoCal. It can cut hours off of
your commute time and you can ride it year round. Sell your car instead.
The only thing you really need it for is to go to the dry cleaners. ( I
could never figure out how to get my shirts home on the bike.) Good Luck.
Brian Hopkins
'89 PC 800 G/S:)
20351mi
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 19:03:17 -0400
From: Jason
To: PC800
Subject: Re: PC800: '95 PC800 For Sale
Get them cleaned on at a time and wear them home. Of course, this may
defeat the purpose...
Actually the last time I was in So. Cal (March; the San Marcos/San Diego
area) I was noticing how bad the traffic was. There seemed to be people
on the side of the road with motorcycles apparently shut off. My guess
was waiting for the rush hour traffic to thin. At any rate, call me
prissy, but I'd not be happy there without a nice air conditioned car.
What we need to do is make a nice A/C suit-helmet setup. :)
Jason
crazyapple@ibm.net
Hopkins, Henning & Robuck wrote:
> ----------
> > From: Jon J. Berg writes
> > Moving to southern CA from WI 7/25/97. Looking to sell my 1995
> PC800. .
> >
> Don't do it!!!!
> A bike is the only way to get around in SoCal. It can cut hours off
> of
> your commute time and you can ride it year round. Sell your car
> instead.
> The only thing you really need it for is to go to the dry cleaners. (
> I
> could never figure out how to get my shirts home on the bike.) Good
> Luck.
>
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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 16:07:07 -0800
From: Rick Blunden
To: bigair@bigfoot.com, Pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: '95 PC800 For Sale -Reply
Brian - You gotta be kiddin. With the biggest built-in trunk in the industry,
you can't figure out how to haul a few shirts home? How big are your shirts?
What are they made out of? Lotta starch? Whew.:-) Rick Blunden - A lowly VX
owner - Davis, CA
--------------------------------------
you wrote: (snip) I could never figure out how to get my shirts home on the
bike. Good Luck.
Brian Hopkins
'89 PC 800 G/S:)
20351mi
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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 20:05:45 -0400
From: "Gary E. Klim"
To: PC-800 E-Mail Group
Subject: PC800: '95 Fuel Pump
Well, who had the correct part number for the '95 Fuel Pump? Inquiring
minds and all that...
gk
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From: "Hopkins, Henning & Robuck"
To: "PC 800 list"
Subject: Re: PC800: '95 PC800 For Sale -Reply
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 18:27:57 -0600
Rick Blunden wrote
>
> Brian - You gotta be kiddin. With the biggest built-in trunk in the
industry,
> you can't figure out how to haul a few shirts home? How big are your
shirts?
> What are they made out of? Lotta starch? Whew.:-)
2 problems: At the time I had a 600 Huricane and they just wouldn't fit in
the tankbag. And yeah it kinda defeats the purpose of heavy starch if the
have a big crease across the middle from being folded in half.
But I did all my grocery shopping on the bike and in two years I only lost
one gallon of milk off the back. (Whoops!! :) bet that was pretty
exciting for the car behind me.)
Brian Hopkins
'89 PC800 GS (the dual sport version)
20355 miles
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 22:06:38 -0400
To: "Gary E. Klim"
From: Francois Saint Laurent
Subject: Re: PC800: '95 Fuel Pump
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Gary Klim wrote:
>Well, who had the correct part number for the '95 Fuel Pump? Inquiring
>minds and all that...
>
>gk
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I don't know yet! The dealer has ordered the part that finishes with 831.
It won't be here until Monday, and I leave the country for a week on
Tuesday morning, so it may be a while before I know if it was the right
part number or not. I'll post a message once it is fixed.
On another note....is anyone going to the Honda Homecoming? I am planning
on attending for the three days. Perhaps we could set up a meeting time
and place for those who are going.
bye for now
fsl
Francois Saint Laurent
Ottawa, Canada
'95 PC800
Not-Waltzing Matilda
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 16:06:34 -0500
Subject: PC800: 96' PC Should we...
From: mike.larson@juno.com (Mike Larson)
>>That price is ridiculous!! I paid $5,995 for a 96 with 2,081 miles,
>>from a dealer, in mint condition, six months ago in Los Angeles. You
>>can probably buy a brand new 97 for 7,600 or so.
>>Greg Chambers
You are correct Greg. Two dealers in the Mpls/StPaul area are
advertising new 1997 PC's for $7599. A friend of a friend just purchased
a new VTR1000 Super Hawk for $7899.
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From: ruf@nconnect.net
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 17:39:05 -0500 (CDT)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: STAR '97 report
Plans can be made but often have to be changed. The plan was to meet
several Wisconsin and Illinois riders in Rockford, IL at 7:00 AM on Saturday
for the first leg of the trip to Lake Eufaula, Oklahoma for the STAR rally.
My bags were packed and I was ready to go when I awoke at 4:30 AM to the
sound of a torrential rain beating on the roof. By 8:00 AM, the area had
received over 3 inches of rain and more was falling. Some areas had over 6"
and many unfortunates experienced flooding. I waited impatiently until close
to l:00 PM before there was a break in the action and I finally got
underway. Needless to say, the Rockford rendezvous was off as those people
had long gone. Riding solo wasn't what I had in mind but it does have its
advantages.
By the time I hit the Illinois border, the light rain was gone and the sky
broke up into a welcome blue dotted with a few fluffy clouds. Illinois is
not the most desirous state to ride through as it is extremely flat and
straight. It was while I was gassing up (the bike that is) that I noticed
that my air mattress, which I had strapped on the back along with my tent
and sleeping bag, had mysteriously departed. I was directed by the station
attendant to a store where I purchased the only one they had. A species made
more for sunning oneself in the backyard swimming pool. I made it to
Litchfield, IL by early evening and the foreboding blackness of the sky in
front of me told me it was time to quit for the day and seek shelter. The
two decent motels in the town were booked solid so I was directed to the
only other place in town, the 66 Motel. It appeared to have been built in
the 1930's and hadn't been updated since that time. It was relatively clean
and had a hot shower (What do you expect for $28 a night) I wasn't even
disappointed when I awoke in the morning and didn't have hot coffee, a roll
and the daily newspaper at the doorstep. I took off for an uneventful,
slightly damp at times, trip through the rest of Illinois, across Missouri,
to Lake Eufaula, which is about 60 miles south of Muskogee. After arriving
late in the afternoon, a little over 800 miles from home, I immediately
registered and set up my tent in the camping area along with about 15 other
campers.
The event was held at the Fountainhead Resort on the shores of Lake
Eufaula, a man made lake that is huge with about 6-700 miles of shoreline.
About 360 people registered for the Rally and represented all but about 10
states. Canada and Saudia Arabia were also represented. Bikes of all makes
and sizes were there with an obvious vast majority of Hondas. Most of the
riders had ridden there but a few trailered their rides. Sizes ranged from
the full dressed Goldwings to 100 cc dirtbikes. It seemed that the ST1100
was the most popular bike there. There were also a number of VFRs, CBRs and
PCs. I didn't make a count but would guess there were 12-15 PCs there.
Surprisingly, I did not see a '96 or a '97 in the group.
Monday was spent with a small group of riders exploring the area. 250
miles later, we returned to the resort Some nice roads along the many rivers
and lakes in the area. The evening consisted of bike specific meetings for
owners of certain models of bikes. I attended the PC meeting and had the
pleasure of meeting a number of people from the PC800 list. List attendees
included Bernie Kohler from Kansas, Tim Macey from Oregon, Roger Prince from
Mass., Bryce Ulrich from Wash., and Todd Zedak from Illinois.I don't know if
anyone else does this but I have a tendency to picture what a person looks
like when I read their posts. Needless to say, I was way off. I can tell you
this, all of the fellows are first class and great people. I did have other
opportuities to talk with everyone except Todd who took off early for parts
west. It was nice to get to know these people on a more personal basis. I
hope to meet them all again.
On Tuesday, I teamed up with two other riders and we went off to see the
"highlight" of the area. the Talimena trail. The Talimena trail is 55 miles
of beautiful roads and scenery that travels through the Ouachita National
Forest in southeastern Oklahoma. It begins in a small town of Talihuna, OK
and ends up in Mena, Arkansas. The road consists of many hills, high ridges,
twisties and beautiful overlooks. If you are ever in the area, it is a
definite place to see and ride through. It is a place that lends itself to a
peaceful, scenery watching ride or a "let-er-rip" hair raiser. Suit yourself.
The evening consisted of of a general meeting and a talk by Mike Kneebone
and Bob Higbon. Mike is well known in Iron Butt circles and gave a slide
presentation of a trip he had made to Prudhoe Bay north of the arctic circle
in Alaska. Bob had gone with him but didn't make the last leg because of the
conditions.
On Wednesday, I just loafed around the area to rest up for the trip home
on Thursday. The awards banquet was held Wednesday evening with Roger Prince
and his wife winning an award for traveling the farthest two up. It was
mentioned that Roger's entry form showed more miles traveled than his wife's
form. Roger's comment that she was behind him the whole way so she couldn't
have traveled as far brought a ripple of laughter throughout the audience. A
drawing was held for a Super Hawk VTR 1000. which was the prize in the
raffle open only to HSTA members. Sadly, I wasn't the happy recipeint of the
bike. A lucky rider in California has a new ride.
I took off at 6:00 AM Thursday for the long trek home. The weather was
beautiful and the traffic was light so I really made excellent time. I
pushed hard with breaks for gas and a little nourishment. I made the 810
mile trek in 13 1/2 hours and was glad to be home. My shoulders and butt are
recuperating nicely. There is something sweet about crawling between the
sheets of your own bed after four nights on a sleeping bag in a very hot
climate. What made matters worse is that the air mattress I purchased out of
need on the way said it was 72" by 32" +or -. I didn't quite understand why
the + and - were included until I opened up the package in OK.
Unfortunately, I got a -. Full width was about 22" when blown up. This is
not conducive to rolling around or turning over in your sleep.
It was a fun trip and I met a nice bunch of people. Hope this didn't get
too windy.
Bob Rufener
Hartford, WI
'89 PC 800
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From: Gordon Golder
Subject: PC800: (LONG) Rainbow II's California Jaunt
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 21:33:34 +0000
Gordon climbs onto my saddle about 9:30 a.m. on Monday the 9th of June. I
know that he has a long trip planned because both bags are packed full and
his backpack with sleeping bag and water bottle are on my passenger seat.
We take I-196 pointing toward Holland, MI and on to US 31 so we can connect
with I-94 near Benton Harbor-St. Joe. Gordon can't refuse stopping to
purchase a cheap carton of cigarettes in Indiana before proceeding toward
Chicago. We ease onto I-80, which we will follow to the West Coast, passing
Chicago, through Joliet and on to Iowa's freshly planted crops and green
fields. In Grinnel he calls Mike Brown (ESCAPN) to arrange a get-acquainted
coffee break in Newton Iowa. After an hour of pleasant conversation and a
meeting of the mutual admiration society as they compare our twin bikes,
Gordon bids Mike farewell. Gordon decides to park me and take a room at the
Ramada as he is reluctant to ride at night. We traveled 477 miles today.
That Utopia backrest he added in Akron on his last long trip really makes
his long days less tiring.
Tuesday, June 10. Gordon is up and, after a couple cups of coffee, is ready
to roll by 6 a.m. We cruise across Iowa in pleasant weather, enjoying the
beauty of the farms. He stops regularly at rest areas for water, a
cigarette and to relax his buns. (No Iron Butt Runs for him!) Oops!
Gordon forgot the turn up US 81 to Columbus NE where he was going to check
on the Stealth Edging at Saeng/TA. He tells me that maybe we can make that
stop on the return trip. I only carry the stock short windshield and I can
understand how the wind whips around Gordon's head, particularly when the
wind is strong and gusty, or when we are passing those 42 wheelers. Around
Gothenburg we notice that the terrain becomes more hilly. More hills and
mountains ahead though. Gordon gets a motel for the night in North Platte
NE. 458 miles today, stopping in mid-day so Gordon could take a short nap.
Speed limit on I-80 in Nebraska is 75, but we sometimes move up to 80 or
whatever, to keep pace with traffic.
Wednesday, June 11. As all good bikers do, Gordon requested rags from the
motel to wipe me down. Good thing he did, because a shower overnight left
me wet. It's easier for Gordon to clean my windshield after a shower has
loosened the crud which is bound to hit me. Continuing on I-80 we cross the
Continental Divide once around Rawlins (where the winds are VERY strong) and
again just west of Creston Junction. I hear Gordon swear that if he ever
takes this route again he will make sure he rides Wyoming in the early
morning hours, hoping that the wind will be less ferocious. We pull off
frequently, especting that the wind will subside in the late afternoon, but
no such luck. He particularly enjoys reading the markers along the highway.
I-80 follows the Union Pacific tracks much of the way west. Many freight
trains are visible during the day. He is still reading the last half of
Michener's CENTENNIAL and speculates how this area must have been 100 years
ago with early settlers, wagon trains, buffalo, Indians, etc. Gordon gets a
little concerned that my gas mileage has dropped to around 40 mpg. Usually
I hit an easy 50 mpg. But, the old boy did not change my plugs before he
left home, plus the pumps out in this area don't have 87 octane, maybe 86 or
89. Don't know why the change. Also the wind could make a difference. We
stop for the night in Rock Springs, WY. 484 miles today, even with stops
for the wind. With a strong south wind most of the afternoon and many
trucks passing, or we passing many trucks, Gordon has been blown around a
bit. Still, Gordon recognizes my aerodynamic styling which, without much
effort on his part, keeps me pretty stable on the road. For the evening
repast, Gordon chooses his favoite -- chef salad with blue cheese dressing
at a local restaurant.
Thursday, June 12. Gordon says we are now on Mountain Daylight Time; we
gain an hour every other day as we head west. In the saddle at about 8 a.m.
we move west at a steady clip of around 80 mph and stop for breakfast at
Mickey Dees at Evanston WY. Gordon puts on his rain gear at Wahsatch as
sprinkles are falling and threatening clouds appear in the west. He marvels
at the beauty of the area as we descend from an elevation of around 6800
feet into Salt Lake City. After we pass the center of the city the clouds
burst open in all their fury. Gordon guides me in a safe center lane as we
pass the Great Salt Lake. About 25 miles down the road, the rain stops and
we continue on to the Bonneville flats, stopping at the rest area to read
the signs, rest a while, and take a walk. Walking on the salt flats Gordon
tries to picture a vehicle speeding across the hard salt at 622+ mph.
Awesome!! We cruise into the Pacific time zone as we enter Nevada -- still
75 mph speed limit, but who pays attention to that. When he fills my tank
he checks my mpg and finds that I'm back up to 50 mpg; this makes him feel
better. Stopping at Elko Nevada for the night he figures we made about 412
miles today.
Friday, June 13. Today is cold in the higher elevations and sometimes there
is rain. I'm really getting dirty. The old man should wash me. Doesn't he
take any pride in my appearance (or his for that matter -- needs a shave and
to get out of those jeans he's wearing for the fifth day). He plays the
nickel slots at Fernley NV and comes away about 50 cents a winner -- really
a high roller, my master!! :-) We pull into a Motel 6 in Reno. He thinks
there might be something interesting in town, but discovers that it is not
that easy to sightsee and maneuver me at the same time. So, he passes
riding around. Only 297 miles today, but that's ok. We are in easy
striking distance of Oakland, where he wants to meet his wife and daughter
who are arriving at the airport Sunday on a flight from Grand Rapids.
Saturday, June 14. A light rain overnight encourages Gordon to wipe me off
before we start riding. OOPS!!! The backpack with the sleeping bag is
missing. He carried it all the way from Michigan and never took it off at
night (trusting fool!!). Now it's gone. He hopes the characters that took
it really needed it. Not much of a loss - a 15 year old sleeping bag that
cost $18 and a $12 backpack. Oh well, on through the Sierras. Breakfast at
Truckee -- a neat western town, and up to the Donner Summit at about 7200
feet elevation and on to Emigrant Gap. Descending from the high Sierras
Gordon stops at the rest area to take off some outer clothing as it is
warming up at the lower elevations. Heat increases as we move toward
Sacramento. Gordon has not been here for about 47 years so he decides to
check out the State Capitol building. Whoa!!! What's this? Ok - Gay Pride
Day in full progress around the Capitol Building. Time for a break from
riding. He parks me (I notice how he backs me in between two cars in their
proper parking places and gets away without feeding the meter?) He walks
around, has some food and drink, takes in the scene, listens to the music
and announcements. Normal California gathering, he surmises. (No insults
intended!!) Back in the saddle, we ride CA 99 toward Stockton. Stopping at
a station to purchase a California map (we picked up FREE maps of all states
at their Welcome Centers as we entered each state, but NOT California!!), we
talk with a Harley man and his lady. He has a beautiful 1977 Harley. Since
he evidences great knowledge about cycles Gordon shows him how my front tire
is cupping. Should he be concerned? According to the Harley man - Yes! It
might be a bearing wearing. Should have it checked, Gordon is advised.
Well, not far to Diablo, Gordon figures, so he will take a chance. He gets
a motel in Stockton CA for the night. Only 188 miles today, but we have
plenty of time.
Sunday, June 15. Leave Stockton on I-5, then to 205 and on to I-580 past
the electrical generating windmills of Livermore and up I-680 to Walnut
Creek, Danville, Diablo area. Gordon guides me to his sister-in-law's home,
parks me and joins relatives to drive to the Oakland airport to meet his
wife and daughter. In total we have covered 2396 miles from Grand Rapids.
Good ride across gorgeous country.
Monday, June 16. A day of rest and rehabilitation for me. Gordon brought
spark plugs with him so he removes the necessary skin and has no trouble
replacing my plugs except for that front right one, which is tough. He just
is not able to remember the correct angle for inserting the plug. As other
PC800 owners know, you have no view of where to put the plug. It's all by
feel, and hit or miss. Gordon drops the plug with plug socket and he almost
has heart failure remembering chatter on the list of a person who dropped a
plug and had a heck of a time getting it out. At last he replaces all my
sparks and starts me up. Oh, I sound so good!! Wish he would wash me, but
to my chagrin he leaves me for the day. Tim Macy from Portland had e-mailed
Bonnie and told her to have Gordon contact him. So, Gordon uses his
sister-in-law's e-mail address to set up an approximate time to meet Tim in
the Portland area.
Tuesday, June 17. Gordon hops on about 9 a.m. We head out I-680 from
Diablo then I-80 up past Berkely, take a little jog on 37 until we hit CA
29, which takes us up through the Napa Valley, grape and wine country.
Beautiful morning; I feel good with my new sparks; Gordon is apparently
comfortable as the sun warms the air slowly. We cut over to CA 128 and move
north, arriving at Boonville around lunch time. Gordon parks and goes into
the Buckhorn Saloon home of the Anderson Valley Brewery. While he doesn't
sample the beer (riding, you know) he talks with the bartender and learns
about the Boontling dialect which was developed by locals in the late 19th
and early 20th century. After a refreshing soft drink, Gordon guides me
through a gorgeous redwood forest. Even I, with my lack of sensitivity at
times, find it breathtaking. On to Mendocino where Gordon is to meet Lib,
Bonnie and her sister. Since he is early, he drops in at the local library
and looks up the book by Charles Adams on Boontling, scans through it and
finds it very interesting. We then find Joshua Grindle's B & B, where we
are to spend the night. Bonnie and crew have just arrived. I park in the
back near the water tower rooms where we are staying. Quality ride today.
Wednesday, June 18. At breakfast Gordon meets an interesting couple from
Beijing China, a couple bicycling up the coast, and others from various
parts of the country. Finished with breakfast Gordon bids his wife,
daughter, and sister-in-law adieu. We cruise up CA 1 with all its twisties
and construction until we intersect with 101 at Leggett. On to Eureka and
Crescent City. The Redwood National Park is awesome. At Crescent City we
take CA 199 over to Grants Pass, where we stop for the night Gordon is
tired as there were few places to pull over and rest during the day. He
would have liked stopping in Crescent City, but wants to make Portland by
early afternoon tomorrow, so he chooses Grants Pass to stop for the night.
After settling in the motel he calls Tim Macy. The plan is to call him
again from someplace on I-5 and Oregoan 217 interchange, south of Portland.
343 miles today, but some of those miles yielded breathtaking scenery.
Thursday, June 19. We leave early in the morning so we can make the
Portland area by around noon. Following I-5 we arrive at the designated
meeting place about 12:30 and call Tim who meets Gordon with his
Stealthmobile at Chili's where Tim and Gordon enjoy a lunch of real hot
Texas chilli. While they are gone I admire the lines and beauty of the
black Stealthmobile next to me. Sexy lady, that '94 pc800. I check out her
speedometer -- yep, like Gordon said, Tim really rides -- over 51000 miles
on her and she is still a beauty. I feel like doing a mating dance. We
exchange niceties, but she really doesn't offer much encouragement. She
tells me that her master and mistress are leaving that afternoon on a long
trip, and anyway she is not the loose type. I wish she would invite me
along, but I think Gordon has other plans. I notice the Saeng rib on her
windshield and kinda wish Gordon would pick up about three feet of that for
me. It really creates a sharp outline for the windshield on the bike. My
dreams and ambitions are ended when Gordon and Tim ermerge from Chili's.
After they have their goodbyes, I wink at the Stealthmobile, sigh, and say,
"Maybe next time, sweatheart." She smiles coyly as Gordon and I ride out.
Tim pulls up next to Gordon, and I purr gently for the Stealthmobile:
"Parting is such sweet sorrow -- maybe on the morrow" (poor attempt at
Shakespeare) Up I-5 through Portland and across the bridge to Vancouver.
Oops! Traffic backup due to a wreck on the bridge. Takes a while to get
through. We churn on to Seattle. Gordon wants to return to Bainbridge Is.,
where he was stationed while in the service. At the ferry terminal he
checks the schedules. Since it is getting dark and accommodations on the
island are questionable he decides to stay in Seattle. Finding a room, he
parks me in a parking lot and locks my front wheel to try to ward off theft.
We covered 405 miles today.
Friday, June 20. Cool day, but clear and dry. Something doesn't seem
right. Oh oh! My hoses on the left side of the front fork are not set the
way they should be and it appears that some of the front fender near that
spot may be ripped. Hope Gordon notices this. Gordon stops for coffee and
inspects me. Yep, he sees it. He seems really bummed; fiddles with my
hoses trying to get them back in alignment so they won't rub and rupture.
He doesn't seem to know how to do it. Ah, now he notices that the fender is
not ripped. Rather there is a plate that needs to be put into place when
the hoses are set correctly in their slots. He's unable to correct the
problem. Back on the cylce we move on toward Ellensburg WA where he stops
at Johnson Honda. Joe, the owner, comes out to check my hoses and says,
"Yep, that can be fixed. We'll just have to remove that bit of plastic and
reset the hoses, then that piece of plastic on the front fender will set
down OK." He moves me into his shop and his mechanic goes to work on me.
Gordon asks them to change my oil and filter also -- been better than 3000
miles since my last change. In about an hour everything is taken care of;
Gordon hops on and I take off, continuing on I-90 to the east. After the
mountain passes there is a noticeable difference in the terrain of Eastern
Washington. We leave the tall evergreen trees and hit the rolling plains.
Moving on toward Spokane Gordon finds his eyes really dry, and stops to pour
Murine into them; it helps some. Later he decides that we should stop in
Spokane even though we have only made 298 miles today. Oh well, tomorrow we
might make it up.
Saturday, June 21. Today I turned 49000 miles on my odometer while crossing
the upper panhandle of Idaho and entering Montana. When we stop for a rest
Gordon resets his watch as we have now moved from Pacific to Mountain time.
We're losing an hour each time we pass a time zone. We are still following
I-90 along the Northern Pacific Railway tracks and hearing the freights as
they move east and west. Gordon comments that we are following the Clark
Fork River. Seems like the rivers find their own way to the ocean;
railroads came along and followed the same general path as the rivers and
then when paved roads were laid they followed the railroads and rivers.
Somewhere in there the pioneers moving west probably followed the rivers and
set the path for future railroads and highways. Highest pass today was
somewhere near 6400 feet. (Nothing like the 12000 ft. passes, example
Loveland Pass in Colorado, we took on I-70 the last time we did this western
jaunt.) I take them easily -- no strain, even passing trucks as we ascend
the mountains. Gordon decides to stop in Whitehall, Montana for the night
(primarily because he found a cheap but clean motel.) Hmm - he only rode
346 miles today.
Sunday, June 22. As we start out at 5:30 a.m. Gordon is wearing his leather
jacket with lining and also his rain suit. I know it is cool, but is all
that clothing really necessary? Pulling past Bozeman reminds Gordon of ZEN
AND THE ART OF MOTORCYCLE MAINTENANCE. By 9 a.m. when we stop for
breakfast, Gordon removes his rainsuit. By 2 p.m it is 90 degrees and
Gordon removes the lining of his leather jacket and even rides with the
jacket open. His eyes must be dry because when we pull off the interstate
and turn to park under an overpass, he again does the Murine thing before
resting on the concrete abutment of the overpass. We pull into Moorcroft WY
about 6 p.m. and Gordon decides to stop for the day. It appears to be a
ranch and farming town, rather like Bonnie's home town down in Texas. The
cafe in town offers an adequate menu, and the motel is clean enough. We can
hear and watch the trains as they travel along beside the state highway
nearby. 472 miles today.
Monday, June 23. Gordon's in the saddle at 5:30 a.m., rides a few blocks to
the local cafe, and listens to the local farmers and ranchers discuss the
weather and chores for the day as he has his morning coffee. He decides to
play a little today because of the attractions of the area. It's a nice
cool, clear morning. He points me north on Hy 14 riding toward Devils Tower
National Monument, the first national monument dedicated by President Teddy
Roosevelt back in 1906. It is situated in the northeast corner of Wyoming,
is a stump-shaped cluster of rock columns 1,000 feet wide at the bottom and
275 feet at the top. Standing 1,280 feet high, the tower is the tallest
such formation in the United States. Most people probably remember it from
the movie "Close Encounters of a Third Kind." As we ride he tells me the
story related by the Kiowa people. Seven girls and a boy were playing
there. The boy turned into a bear scaring the girls who were taken into the
sky and became the Big Dipper. Gordon then tells me the geological
explanation. About 60 million years ago molten magma forced its way into
overlying sedimentary rocks and cooled underground. The cooling igneous
rock contracted, fracturing into columns. An earlier flow formed today's
Little Missouri Buttes. Over millions of years the sedimentary rock eroded
to expose Devils Tower and accentuate Little Missouri Buttes."
As we approach, the tower looms formidably in the distance. Many
campgrounds are in the area, including a KOA. The camp store is not open so
Gordon glides up to the entry gate of the National Monument, presents his
Golden Age pass, and enters the area. Arriving at the base of the monument
Gordon parks and takes a couple of pictures. This rock is indeed an
imposing structure. Rock climbers scale this structue. He thinks he sees
some climbers on the tower, but does not have his binoculars to check for
sure. Back in the saddle he guides me toward a Prarie Dog Village where we
stop to view the playful prarie dogs. We exit the park and continue on 14
toward Sundance. Unfortunately we come across a cycle accident. The police
are there; no one appears to be injured. Looks like one of three Goldwings
pulling trailers just failed to negotiate a curve. We join up with I-90
again at Sundance. Following 14/I-90 to Spearfish, Gordon decides to take
route 14a through Spearfish Canyon. What a gorgeous canyon on a glorious
day. Many motels and B & B's along the route. Emerging from the canyon we
ride through Deadwood and past Sturgis (Been there, done that -- but Gordon
nods in respect!!) On through Rapid City and even ignoring Mt. Rushmore
(BTDT!) Gordon accesses scenic Highway 44 which passes through the Buffalo
Gap National Grasslands.
Suddenly Gordon hits my brakes. What's this -- a dinasaur in the
distance. Stopping he sets my side stand, climbs off, opens my trunk,
retrieves his camera and takes a picture of the huge green figure in the
distance. He tells me not to worry, it's not real, but his grandson will
certainly be impressed. No wind today; Hy 44 is a firm, smooth asphalt
road. Gordon sets me at 70 mph. Enjoying the scenery -- suddenly --
Ssswwwooossshhh!. What was that? A cycle zoomed past! Gordon thinks a
moment then opens the throttle. Can he catch that guy? 75 - 80 - 85 - 90 -
95 - 100 --- no problems, I feel great, never been at a century before. But
Gordon backs off. He decides he won't push me any further even though I
have plenty left in me. We enjoy the remainder of the Grasslands at a
relaxed 70 mph. At Interior, where highways 44 and 377 intersect, Gordon
stops at a cafe. A Beemer is parked there. Gordon inquires, "Was that you
who passed me sucking the petrol?" The man admits, "Yes." "What were you
doing?" Gordon asks. "130" was the response. (No wonder we didn't catch
him; I could have done it, but Gordon wasn't ready.) Then, we notice that
the guy has a beautiful Collie dog with him. As they sit sipping a coke and
a coffee, they introduce themselves. Willy is from Spokane and the dog
always rides on the gas tank and even licks Willy's face once in a while
when really enjoying the ride. Willy rides the "Iron Butt Run" -- 11,000
miles in 11 days. Great endurance!
Riding on, we end the day early at the Tee Pee Motel and Campground
in Murdo SD where Gordon can wash his clothes. He still has not washed and
cleaned me up, however. We made 323 quality miles today. It was a great
ride through beautiful country.
Tuesday, June 24. We start early again this morning as Gordon wants to get
into Wisconsin so he will be in striking distance of making the Lake
Michigan Ferry tomorrow. He has to stop frequently between 11 and 3 because
he gets sleepy everyday about this time. It looks like rain all day, but
only a few drops fall on us. Approaching the Mississippi River Valley into
La Crosse is indeed magnificent. The terrain changes and you see the cliffs
overlooking the river. After 503 miles today we get a motel and hit the
sack with no regrets. But, there happens to be a motorcycle rally in town
-- many of the cyclists staying at the motel. Oh well, they will have to
celebrate without Gordon and me.
Wednesday, June 25. Since we have just over 200 miles to Manitowoc, Gordon
loads me up and starts early. He says we must be to the Ferry terminal by
noon. We follow I-90, take a little jog on I-94 and onto state road 21
(good road) to Oshkosh, where we ease onto US 41 to Flond du Lac. Gordon
has a little trouble getting onto state road 151 because of some detour, but
eventually we make it and he heads on to Manitowoc, arriving there about 11
a.m. In town he turns into a car wash. GREAT! At last! It's about time
old man!! OOOOHHHHH!!!!! the pleasure of being clean.
At the Ferry terminal we discover that even without a reservation
(which is recommended) we are able to get aboard. Two men out of Port
Huron, riding Kawasakis, pull aboard with us and Gordon and they tie down
the bikes. It is a pleasant crossing of Lake Michigan. I do not mind the
solitude spent with two Kawasakis on the car deck of the ferry.
We dock in Ludington MI about 6 p.m. It takes a little time to get
off the ship, but when we do Gordon fills my tank and then we cruise rapidly
down US 31. Oops! We're back in Michigan. Roads are bad, particularly
down US 31 where there are cracks in the pavement running the direction of
the highway. These are more accurately described as crevices or canyons.
Motorcyclists beware!! But, Gordon keeps me near the right side and the
white line, which makes it easier on my rubber and gives him more control.
We head east on M20 to intersect M37 and then south to Grand Rapids. From
Comstock Park Gordon calls his wife to ask her to open the garage door for
us. At about 9 p.m. Gordon parks me comfortably in the garage. In total I
did 5640 miles under the guiding hands of my master, Gordon. Ok old man,
when's the next trip?
The next morning Gordon tells me that lying in bed last night he could only
reflect,
"What a beautiful country this United States, and what a blessing to have
the freedom to roam across the plains, the mountains, the lakes and rivers
and to be secure. He gives thanks to God and to his country."
HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY!! (A day secondarily dedicated to motorcyclists)
Rainbow II (as told to Gordon)
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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 23:15:54 -0400
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Francois Saint Laurent
Subject: PC800: Help needed.
Hello everyone....
The fuel pump saga continues....
okay folks...Honda Canada found a pump for me in US inventory, and then
sent the pump to the dealer. It didn't fit. The size of the spigots on the
pump doesn't match the size of the fuel lines. Has anyone ever had this
problem?
Also, does anyone out there have a microfiche for the PC? I need to find
out the correct part number for the fuel pump on a 1995 US spec Pacific
Coast. I am going to order my own pump, change it myself, and then invoice
Honda for the parts, and my labour. They have had the bike for over three
weeks, and have failed to fix the problem. This is ludicrous!
The only reason it has dragged on this long is that I have been away, and
on the few days I was home it was raining.
I guess it's time for me to order my own microfiche, too. I have the shop
manual already.
Thanks everyone.
fsl
Francois Saint Laurent
Ottawa, Canada
'95 PC800
Not-Waltzing Matilda
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 07:06:41 +0200 (MET DST)
To: BobS17@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Gerard Diepeveen
Subject: Re: PC800: New To Group
Hi Bob,
Welcome to this list from Holland.
My name is Gerard Diepeveen from the Honda Pacific Coast 800 Netherlands.
I hope you will enjoi this list as much as I do.
If you want to visit our Dutch PC800 website don't hasitate to do so, you
can find us at: http://www.dsv.nl/~pcn/
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Cc: bigair@bigfoot.com, Pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 22:44:32 -0700
Subject: Re: PC800: '95 PC800 For Sale -Reply
From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy)
I'm 99% sure that Brian Hopkins was not serious about getting his dry
cleaning home on the PC, but ---- there really is a way to do it, and
someone may be interested. The travel gear industry came out with an
item called a "pack board" about six months ago. They come in three
sizes. I have all three, and they work great. You fold your clothes
onto this board with the help of a "template." Then with four velcro'd
flaps, the clothes are secured in position, and the pack board goes in
your suitcase or bag (or you could use it alone). All three sizes will
take shirts, pants, blouses, skirts, etc. The only difference in the
sizes is the amount of clothes you can pack. It's not as good as hanging
in your closet, but I probably get 10% of the wrinkles I used to get by
just folding and packing. The small and medium sizes both fit nicely in
the PC trunk. My pack boards are made by "EAGLE CREEK," who make travel
and camping gear. I got them at REI. "NORM THOMPSON" also has them by
mail order.
Richard Hardy, San Diego
@juno.com
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Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 07:41:18 -0700
From: Steve Gross
To: pc800
Subject: PC800: Dry Cleaning
I've gotten a dozen shirts into a saddlebag by doing a "soft" fold into
thirds and laing them gently into a saddle bag. I'm a light/medium
starch guy, tho, and since I switched to a dry cleaner 2 blocks from my
apt. I've taken to walking them home (no leash necessary)
--
Steve Gross - Seattle, WA
'90 Pacific Coast
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by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id KGT06404; Thu, 03 Jul 1997 10:22:35 EDT
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To: BobS17@aol.com
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: New To Group
From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 10:22:35 EDT
Luggage rack? Where did you get it. Anyone else help. What's it look
like?
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 97 08:21:13 PDT
From: "Erin Dolin"
To: gag@worldnet.att.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Great trip report Gordon
REPLY TO 07/02/97 21:31 FROM GAG@worldnet.att.net "Gordon Golder": PC800:
(LONG) Rainbow II's California Jaunt
Gordon,
AWESOME trip report!! And thank you for allowing us to ride along
with you. You have reaffirmed my love for this great country of
ours and for the sport of motorcycling.
And a very special thanks for being one of the special group of
people, namely a former armed forces member, that allows us to enjoy
this great country freely and to continue to celebrate every 4th of
July as Independence Day. (And that goes out to all who fall in this
category.)
Have a spectacular and safe holiday!
Erin (who is feeling rather patriotic at the moment) Dolin
Mountain View, CA
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Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 10:56:00 -0700
From: "Bruce Modlin"
Subject: PC800: BIR Trip Report
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Drove the PC up to Brainerd International Raceway last weekend for the
AMA superbike series. First long (1200 mile) trip on this bike,
talked with a fellow PC owner up there and we agreed the tranny needs
a sixth gear for cruising. Pulled 5200rpm while cruising 80mph on the
freeway. Hell I shift when i pull that many rpms normally.
Great experience, tribes of bikers from all over congregating /camping
at the site for the weekend. Great place, 550 acres , can pick your
vantage spot, get there earlly and can camp 20 feet from asphalt
racetrack.
Nothing in racing compares to the skill required to ride these beasts
at 180+. Looks good on TV (Been replaying this all week on
sportschannel), but nothing like seeing in person, laying the bike
over, passing, bike squirmiing and shuddering from acceleration. For
the wheelie fans how about a one handed wheelie while doing a victory
lap holding the checkered flag?
Saw many sites, models hanging out in the factory shops, don't think
they were there for the mechanics !. Worst site was these 2 Harley
guys, each 300LB +, rubber bands in their beards, looked like a tag
team for WWF, couldn't get a date anywhere but in prison, with 2
gorgous blonds hanging on the back ends of their hogs. Wouldn't their
parents be proud! Watching this spectacle with a friend, "There's no
justice in life" How true.
PC turned into a Jetski when I bottomed out during a thunderstorm. If
I knew what was happening at the time I problably would of been
scared. As it was was just trying to get by.
Bruce
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From: "Ascon de Vries"
To: "Alex Vrenios" ,
Subject: Re: PC800: HAM owners?
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 19:30:50 +0200
I tried to use a handheld with headset. Poor results.
I think creating enough ground can be a problem when installing the
antenna. I decided not to because I would have to hurt my baby by drilling
holes in the trunk-cover.
I would be interested in experiences with installing good tx antenna's on
the PC.
Ascon pd0jsm
----------
> Van: Alex Vrenios
> Aan: PC800@hpc.uh.edu
> Onderwerp: PC800: HAM owners?
> Datum: woensdag 2 juli 1997 23:39
>
> Hi,
>
> I saw something earlier about someone who installed a HAM radio
> on a PC 800. I don't have my bike yet, but I plan to have at least
> a 2 meter handheld and a 2-to-18W amplifier. I would be interested
> in experiences installing and using same - thanks!
>
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>
> Alex Vrenios
> Vrenios@asu.edu
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Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 08:36:52 +0000
From: Gary Wilson
To: pacific coast list
Subject: PC800: digest
dear pc list:
is there a digest form of the list available? if so please email me
direct so that i may subscribe. thank you. gary wilson.
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 14:13:16 -0400
To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Keith Sproul
Subject: PC800: RE: Ham Radio & PC-800
One of the many reasons I bought the PC-800 in the first place is the ample
room to put Ham Radio stuff..
I will have my PC-800 equiped with a GPS tracker for APRS in the not too
distant future..
I am also working on getting a 2m/440 radio installed.. None of this is
finished yet, so I too am interested in what other people do..
One of the specifics I would like to find is a GOOD switch to go into the
PCs handle-bars for a Push-To-Talk switch..
Keith Sproul, WU2Z
(Author of MacAPRS and WinAPRS)
Keith Sproul ksproul@noc.rutgers.edu WU2Z
Student Housing Network Coordinator 908 445-3695 W
Rutgers University Computing Services 909 821-4828 H
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 20:34:07 -0500 (CDT)
From: greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers)
Subject: Re: PC800: (LONG) Rainbow II's California Jaunt
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Gordon,
Thank you for a wonderfully relaxing narrative. I'm insanely jealous!!
Greg Chambers
Gordon Golder wrote:
..Monday the 9th of June. I know that he has a long trip planned ...
..Wednesday, June 25. At about 9 p.m. Gordon parks me comfortably in
the garage. In total I did 5640 miles under the guiding hands of my
master, Gordon.
..he could only reflect, "What a beautiful country this United States,
and what a blessing to have the freedom to roam across the plains, the
mountains, the lakes and rivers and to be secure. He gives thanks to
God and to his country."
>
>HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY!! (A day secondarily dedicated to
motorcyclists)
>
>Rainbow II (as told to Gordon)
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 23:09:06 -0400 (EDT)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Road Trip
Hi Everyone
Getting ready for my first road trip. One problem though, I'm not sure where
I'm going. I thought of heading west to Big Bend National Park. It about
450 miles from where I'm at (San Antonio TX). I think that may be a bit far
for a three day weekend.
So I'm not too sure where I'll wind up. One thing for sure though, I am
climbing aboard the PC and heading out. Anyone got any ideas? Anyone
withing riding distance who wants to ride or meet somewhere? I'll send in
the trip report upon my return. Safe Riding everyone. Have a great 4th.
Mike Watts- San Antonio TX
97 PC 800 miles
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To: rocheux@juno.com
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Dry Cleaning
From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 23:41:00 EDT
I once got 500 shirts, 2 pairs of Socks, an old duffel bag and five big
horn sheep in my left pocket. Alors! Voila! Top that you devil you!
I am sorry but I could not help myself. All that I have become or failed
to become is the fault of conditions beyond my control.
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To: gorgon@xs4all.nl
Cc: vrenios@enuxsa.eas.asu.edu, PC800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: HAM owners?
From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 23:41:00 EDT
I saw a bumper sticker today which had a pic of a cell phone (could be a
ham rig) in a circle with a red line thru it and it read, "Shut Up &
Drive!"
Hmmmmm
I am KA0CFZ
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To: greg501@ix.netcom.com
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Tilting the handle bars
From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 23:41:00 EDT
I tilted the handlebars down tonite. Altho it did reduce the reach, the
lower height of the bars had me tilting down too much. I put them back.
Poor idea. Not necessary to strip the upper plastics off the handlebars
as I foolishly did. Just remove the center plate with the Honda logo on
it by popping it up and the 4 hex bolts are exposed. My handle bars were
painted olive drab. Wonder if it came from an old military Indian? haha
BTW I must tell you I found 2 of the hex bolts loose. So what one said
about Honda not being perfect in not lubing the splines holds water....
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From: "Hopkins, Henning & Robuck"
To: "PC 800 list"
Subject: PC800: Riding instead of working
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 21:52:15 -0600
Went for a beautiful ride today on the peak to peak highway. Miles of good
road, fast sweepers and little traffic. And of course you are at 10,000 ft
so the scenery tends to be amazing. And I did this instead of working. It
was a tough choice.
Yes after doing like zero riding since January, I've put 500 miles on in 4
days. I think I lost my saddle butt and now I have to toughen up again.
Darn! (grin :) ) I guess I'll have to ride some more.
Reason # 238 why Harley guys don't wave:
They're not on motorcycles. The vehicle at the front of a slow convoy in
the mountains today. (Not even doing the speed limit.) was some guy in
requisite Harley jeans and jacket and shades on his SLOW Harley. IMHO if
a motorcycle can't do at least the speed limit esp. in the mountains it
must not be a motorcycle.
Good Riding to all on the long weekend.
Brian Hopkins
'89 PC 800 GS
20548 miles. (jamming now.)
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From: pckwong@hkusua.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: Re: PC800: HAM owners?
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 20:40:51 +0800 (HKT)
> "Shut up and Drive!"
> I am KA0CFZ
Then let's try CW - QSO when ride, di di da di di da da di da.....
Have fun,
73,
This is VR2XVI
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* PCA420 <-- Royal HK '84 GL1200A 2 tone beige <-- the chromed bike *
* Aux Police '90 PC800 Candy Red <-- My little Wing *
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* *
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Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 06:47:41 -0700
From: "Stephen A. Churchill"
To: Rocky E Rocheux
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Dry Cleaning
Rocky E Rocheux wrote:
>
> I once got 500 shirts, 2 pairs of Socks, an old duffel bag and five big
> horn sheep in my left pocket. Alors! Voila! Top that you devil you!
> I am sorry but I could not help myself. All that I have become or failed
> to become is the fault of conditions beyond my control.
>
Yeah, but I bet the shirts got wrinkled.
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Oceanside California /=/\/\ __
1996 Pacific Coast 800 /===///===/
"Katie" /\ ==\\\PC800
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Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 06:51:57 -0700
From: Alan Taylor
To: Ascon de Vries
CC: Alex Vrenios , PC800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: HAM owners?
Ascon de Vries wrote:
> I tried to use a handheld with headset. Poor results.
> I think creating enough ground can be a problem when installing the
> antenna. I decided not to because I would have to hurt my baby by
> drilling
> holes in the trunk-cover.
> I would be interested in experiences with installing good tx antenna's
> on
> the PC.
>
> Ascon pd0jsm
>
You would have to check with Harrison, _spain@edsug.com , but he's got
his kenwood mobile rigged withthe remote under the glovebox, with a hole
cut in the cover for the keypad, and the RF deck in the trunk. The
antenna is mounted to the right rear crash bar with gutter mount,
requiring only a small notch being cut in the crash bar cover.
The real genius is in the PTT and PTT interlock he's rigged to prevent
accidentally keying the rig, and the headet interface to allow using the
Chatterbox, cans and mic with the kenwood.
My gear is a little too old to try remoting, though the finals would
make a great set of extra brake lights. HI.
73,
Alan KA2WIJ
> ----------
> > Van: Alex Vrenios
> > Aan: PC800@hpc.uh.edu
> > Onderwerp: PC800: HAM owners?
> > Datum: woensdag 2 juli 1997 23:39
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I saw something earlier about someone who installed a HAM radio
> > on a PC 800. I don't have my bike yet, but I plan to have at least
> > a 2 meter handheld and a 2-to-18W amplifier. I would be interested
> > in experiences installing and using same - thanks!
> >
> > --
> > 73 de KX9I
> >
> > Alex Vrenios
> > Vrenios@asu.edu
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From: Jason
To: "'Hopkins, Henning & Robuck'" ,
PC 800 list
Subject: RE: PC800: Riding instead of working
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 09:24:38 -0500
I like the reason in rec.moto recently... that due to the vibrations of =
the motorcycle, Harley riders oscillate at a certain frequency, making =
everyone but other Harley riders invisible to them.
Reason # 238 why Harley guys don't wave:
They're not on motorcycles. The vehicle at the front of a slow convoy =
in
the mountains today. (Not even doing the speed limit.) was some guy in
requisite Harley jeans and jacket and shades on his SLOW Harley. IMHO =
if
a motorcycle can't do at least the speed limit esp. in the mountains it
must not be a motorcycle. =20
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Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 07:23:15 -0700
From: "Stephen A. Churchill"
To: Jason
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: '95 PC800 For Sale
Jason wrote:
> Actually the last time I was in So. Cal (March; the San Marcos/San Diego
> area) I was noticing how bad the traffic was. There seemed to be people
> on the side of the road with motorcycles apparently shut off. My guess
> was waiting for the rush hour traffic to thin. At any rate, call me
> prissy, but I'd not be happy there without a nice air conditioned car.
> What we need to do is make a nice A/C suit-helmet setup. :)
>
I commute from Oceanside to Escondido (Through San Marcos) most days and
I have never seen or have had to stop by the side of the road to "wait
for traffic to clear". There are the occaisional riders who run out of
gas, have mechanical problems, or get ticketed just as the cagers do.
Commuting on a motorcycle is the way to go; particularly if you go down
I 15 with the carpool lane. It saves LOTS of time. BTW California
traffic is much heavier than anywhere else in the nation ( I've been
everywhere over the years) and what seems like a traffic jam to
out-of-staters may be just regular flow. You get used to it, but it is
nice to ride other places without the density.
>
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Steve Churchill Q Q~
Oceanside California /=/\/\ __
1996 Pacific Coast 800 /===///===/
"Katie" /\ ==\\\PC800
3000+ miles and counting \_/--'-'\_/
Peace Be With You
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMA HSTA HRCA
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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: BBrick@packer.edu (Barbara Brick)
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 10:43:56 GMT
Subject: PC800: firewalling and reading other's e mail
Some of you are techs for systems around the country. Can I ask a quick and
unrelated PC question in that it effects my e mail. Are there any other major
ways someone can break the wall and read your e mail other than being an
administrator to the program one uses? Many thanks,
-------------------------
Packer Collegiate Institute
Brooklyn, NY USA
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From: "Hopkins, Henning & Robuck"
To: "PC 800 list"
Subject: PC800: add Peak to Peak Highway
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 08:52:39 -0600
Ok I forgot one last great thing about the Peak to Peak highway on our ride
yesterday. We did not see one cop the whole time. Probably a good thing
too. :)
Brian Hopkins
'89 PC 800 GS
20548 mi
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From: NVXL62A@prodigy.com ( GORDON FRANK HSTA7186RG)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 11:31:30, -0500
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: tire tip
HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY!!
Had the new K177 Dunlops put on yesterday and what a positive
difference in the ride. I'm heading up to Cinti from Atlanta on
Monday for a few days and was reminded of the Honda Hoot
tire info I gathered.
I attended a tire seminar led by the Dunlop USA rep. who
was formerly in charge of the research lab. He said the only
reason for the recommended 100 mile "wear in" for new tires is
for the rider to get used to riding with the new treads. There
was no "wear-in" scuffing requirement and hasn't been for the
last 10-15 years.
Ride Safely.
____
Gordon Frank NVXL62A@Prodigy.Com
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Fri, 4 Jul 1997 12:09:14 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 12:09:14 -0400 (EDT)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: USED PC800
I am new to this forum and have two concerns. I live in eastern Washington
and would like to find a good used PC800. Any suggestions would be
appreciated. Also, how does the PC800 compare with the ST1100?
Thanks,
Steve
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Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 12:20:43 -0600
From: "Alexander D. Gray"
To: HOME1956@dalh.jcpenney.com, jalvarez@mfi.com, kmmullen@dalh.jcpenney.com,
mona108@aol.com, cdelangel@gnn.com
CC: AlanEErnst@juno.com, kmullman@aol.com, mourib@bellsouth.net,
abella@ziplink.net, jalvarez@mfi.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: NEW 200 FOR SALE!
I have just won a Pentium 200 from a local drawing and have no need for
it. So I am selling it to the highest bidder.
Here is what it has:
200 MHz Intel Pentium processor with 16 kb of internal cache
3.2 GB hard disk drive
24 MB EDO RAM upgradable to 128 MB
16X Maximum, Variable speed CD ROM Drive
33.6 bps Modem, 14,400 bps Fax installed
3.5" 1.44 MB Floppy Disk Drive
Telephone Answering System, Full-Duplex Speakerphone (microphone
required)
16-bit SRS 3-D Amphitheater Stereo Sound, Sound Blaster compatible
Brooktree Wavestream Wavetable Synthesis
Graphics/Video Accelerator (64-bit)with 1MB EDO Video DRAM
Keyboard with Fast Media access and 2 button mouse
Ports include: Serial, Extended Capabilities Parallel Port (ECP)
Mouse, Game, Keyboard and VGA
PCI local bus video for faster display and PCI local bus IDE hard Drive
Interface
5 expansion slots, (2 PCI, 1 Shared (PCI/ISA), 2 ISA) and 5 Storage
Device Bays.
SOFTWARE:
Packard Bell Navigator, Planet Oasis, Packard Bell Direct Internet
Access,
Prodigy, America Online, The Microsoft Network, Microsoft Windows 95,
Microsoft Works
Corel Quattro Pro 7, Corel presentations 7, Corel WordPerfect,
Britannica Online, Reuters, Money Network, Student Reference Library,
Sim City Classic, MGI PhotoSuite,
MPEG1: Full Motion Video Playback.
ALSO:
Microsoft Office 97, Netscape Navigator Gold, Print Master Gold 3.0
INCLUDED IN PRICE: Packard Bell 15" Monitor .28
ALL STILL IN BOX!
I will start the bidding at $1,500. E-mail me with your offer. I will
pay for shipping.
I wanted to give my friends "first shot" at it before I place it in the
local paper next week.
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From: "Michael S. Brown"
To: "PC800"
Subject: PC800: Great trip report Gordon
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 17:23:13 -0500
To Rainbow,
Thanks for the report and for taking such good care of Gordon. You have
been a very faithful and dependable friend. Congratulations on an
enjoyable and safe trip.
(Gordon - nice report)
Happy 4th of July to all on the list.
Michael 90 Pc800 "ESCAPN"
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 19:04:00 -0400
From: Bernie
Subject: Fwd: Re: PC800: USED PC800
To: PC 800 Pacific Coast
I don't know about a used PC in your area of the country, but there are =
considerable differences between the ST1100 and the PC. The ST1100 is =
much more toward the sport side of sports touring, and the PC is leaning =
heavily to the touring side of sports touring. You ride the ST1100 in a =
very aggressive position, with a lot of weight on your wrists and hands =
and your feet tucked behind you. Like a jockey on a race hourse. The PC=
=
is ridden in a up right position, with most of your weight on your =
buttocks. Your feet are position directly below you. The ST1100 is a =
faster machine than the PC, and it also responds quicker. But, I think =
the PC is a more comforable bike on the long haul. The ST1100 needs =
periodic value adjustments, while the PC is a close to maintenance free =
as possible. Both ST1100 and and PC have poor stock wind screens and =
saddles. A Rifle Wind Screen and a Corbin Saddle are needed to complete =
=
either bike. The ST1000 and the PC are excellent machines, your =
choice depends on your type of riding, how you plan to use the bike and =
what you like. =
Bernie =
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Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 19:48:08 -0700
From: "Gregg L. DesElms"
To: Barbara Brick
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: firewalling and reading other's e mail
Barbara Brick wrote:
>
> Some of you are techs for systems around the country. Can I ask a quick and
> unrelated PC question in that it effects my e mail. Are there any other major
> ways someone can break the wall and read your e mail other than being an
> administrator to the program one uses?
The short answer is a qualified "yes." But it seems obvious to me that
you're having a specific problem of some kind (or you suspect one).
Rather than address the generalities of hacking past a firewall (of
which there are many kinds and, therefore, many different ways to hack
them, and concomitant probabilities of undetected success), why don't we
approch it a different way? Why don't you tell us what the specific
problem is? Do you suspect that someone is reading and/or
retrieving/deleting your e-mail? What is the specific concern?
NOTE: I'm replying to you on the list for now just in case others on
the list care about this issue and would like to follow the thread
despite its having nothing to do with the PC800. But if others want it
off the list (and I'm sure they'll speak up) then that's really what we
should do.
Gregg DesElms
deselms@royal.net
'89 PC800
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From: ChrisTUBA@aol.com
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Fri, 4 Jul 1997 21:18:22 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 21:18:22 -0400 (EDT)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Attention: Jason
Jason,
I attempted to log off of the listserver, and I received a message that it
was successful. However, I am still getting the mailings? What is going on?
I'm going to be out of town for a while and I don't want mass mail waiting
for me when I get back.
L8r,
Chris Russell
1996 Honda PC800
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Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: USED PC800
From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky Rocheux)
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 23:42:58 EDT
If you want to compare the PC800 to the ST1100, check the archives. This
went on a month or so ago and there were some very thoughtful,
insightful, scholarly done and very worthwhile studies posted.
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To: ChrisTUBA@aol.com
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Re: Attention: Jason
From: Jason L Tibbitts III
Date: 05 Jul 1997 01:35:37 -0500
Lines: 22
>>>>> "C" == ChrisTUBA writes:
C> Jason,
I guess that means me and not the other Jason, though if you really want to
get in touch with me fast, follow the instructions at the bottom of every
message. Hint: pc800-owner.
C> I attempted to log off of the listserver, and I received a message that
C> it was successful. However, I am still getting the mailings? What is
C> going on?
And what makes you think that no messages were en route to you at the time
you left the list? You'd have to be omniscient to know how long AOL queues
up incoming messages before delivering them. I have no control over that.
The mere act of you removing your name from the address list does not
retroactively delete all messages already sent to you.
You are not currently subscribed, and should not receive a copy of this
message via the list server. If you do, then something is seriously wrong.
- J<
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To: rocheux@juno.com
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Value
From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky Rocheux)
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 08:07:48 EDT
Help! Quickly laddies. I have spotted a PC800 for sale. I already have
a 96 but this has the factory radio. I want to buy it and put the radio
in my 96 and then sell the older one.
I need to know its value. It is an 89, says "new in 91." 9000 miles.
Immaculate.
"lots of accessories." He is asking $3400 or best offer.
What is its value? Please hurry. I need to go get this motorcycle.
Thank you.
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From: ThZander@aol.com
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Sat, 5 Jul 1997 09:12:32 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 09:12:32 -0400 (EDT)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: miles and more
Hi folks!
Does anyone know how many miles are possible to go with a filled up tank?
Until its empty.
thanks
Thomas Zander '92 10kmiles
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Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 06:55:19 -0700
From: Alan Taylor
To: ThZander@aol.com
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: miles and more
ThZander@aol.com wrote:
> Hi folks!
>
> Does anyone know how many miles are possible to go with a filled up
> tank?
Possible - slightly over 200Likely - 160 to 170
Your actual mileage may vary. Big Time.
Alan
> Until its empty.
>
> thanks
>
> Thomas Zander '92 10kmiles
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To: rocheux@juno.com
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Subject: PC800: cancel request 4A quote
From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux)
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 10:58:32 EDT
Cancel my request for the quote on the 89 as it sold yesterday.
Tnx anyway.
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 12:03:17 -0400
From: Bernie
Subject: PC800: Fuel
To: PC 800 Pacific Coast
The PC's gas mileage varies dependent upon many factors including:
How much weight the bike is carrying
How fast (hard) the bike is being driven
The amount of wind residence encountered
The type of terrain being ridden =
I often ride up to Manhattan, Kansas to visit my son who goes to college =
there. The trip is about 120 miles each way. I usually take the =
interstates up to Manhattan and the state highways back to Kansas City. =
Running 75 to 85 mph on the interstate my gas mileage is somewhere in the=
=
mid forties. A good head wind can knock fuel consumption down in to the=
=
low forties. Riding the state roads back at 55 to 65 mph the PC exceeds =
50 mpg. =
Bernie
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Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 11:05:48 -0700
From: "Gregg L. DesElms"
To: Rocky Rocheux
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Value
Rocky Rocheux wrote:
>
> Help! Quickly laddies. I have spotted a PC800 for sale. I already have
> a 96 but this has the factory radio. I want to buy it and put the radio
> in my 96 and then sell the older one.
>
> I need to know its value. It is an 89, says "new in 91." 9000 miles.
> Immaculate. "lots of accessories." He is asking $3400 or best offer.
>
> What is its value? Please hurry. I need to go get this motorcycle.
> Thank you.
An '89 is typically worth about $3,300 to $4,100.
As you describe this one, it's a steal. Buy it.
Just curious: What other accessories?
Gregg DesElms
deselms@royal.net
'89 PC800
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Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 09:16:03 -0700
From: Phil Lewis
To: ThZander@aol.com
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: miles and more
ThZander@aol.com wrote:
>
> Hi folks!
>
> Does anyone know how many miles are possible to go with a filled up tank?
> Until its empty.
>
> thanks
>
> Thomas Zander '92 10kmiles
I ran mine out for a test, and it went 177 mules (er. miles) before it
quit. I never plan to get more than 150 between Phil-ups (er.
fill-ups!) :)
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* '90 PC *
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* Enjoying The Ride! *
* Just turned 10,000 *
* *
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From: Alex Vrenios
Subject: Re: PC800: HAM owners?
To: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 12:11:56 -0700 (MST)
Cc: gorgon@xs4all.nl, PC800@hpc.uh.edu
In an earlier email to me Rocky E Rocheux said:
>
> I saw a bumper sticker today which had a pic of a cell phone (could be a
> ham rig) in a circle with a red line thru it and it read, "Shut Up &
> Drive!"
> Hmmmmm
>
> I am KA0CFZ
>
I (blush) feel the same way about the mobile phone booths, aka beauty
parlors, libraries, etc. I'm not really after mobile radio so much as a
way to get help if the well documented fuel pump malady strikes, etc. My
YL (Diane, N5RJG) might come help me push :-)
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Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 16:27:21 -0600
From: David Drake
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: request for information
I am considering buying an '89 pearl white PC 800
with only 6,000 miles for $4000.00. It includes a radio,
back rest, full face helmet, and a cover. I have looked
at the new '97 model and can't tell any difference. Are
there differences I should be aware of?? Should I be
concerned about an 8 year old bike of this make?? It
has only had one owner and he appears to have taken
very good care of it. Has any one heard what the '98
color will be and will there be any changes?
Thanks for your time on this.
David Drake
Des Moines
ddrake@uomhs.edu
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Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 18:48:21 -0400
From: "Gary E. Klim"
To: PC-800 E-Mail Group
Subject: PC800: Voltmeter And Velcro...
I had considered installing an analog voltmeter in one of the speaker
pockets, but the view is blocked by the handlebar. (I'm 5'7")
Solution? Velcro a small 3 1/2 digit LCD multimeter to the fairing
pocket door. (2" x 4.25" x .25") The meter leads are attached to a
cigarette lighter plug which plugs into the socket I had installed just
below the fairing pocket door. The door still opens through its' full
arc. Should it rain, all one has to do is toss the meter into the
fairing pocket.
The lighter socket is primarily for electric gloves to extend my riding
season, but until then I've got a quick and cheap charging monitor.
gk
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From: "Hopkins, Henning & Robuck"
To: "PC 800 list"
Subject: PC800: New Bike time to move on
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 17:15:27 -0600
Well went with a friend to the motorcycle shop today and ended up trading
in my PC. Great bike just wanted to try something different and go back to
a sport bike. Traded it in on a 96 VFR 750 with only 1800 miles on it.
(Brand spanking new) and the buddy I was with got a 1987 VFR 700 (and it
has K & N and dynojet and sounds like a muscle car when you get on it.)
Anyway got $4200 for my trade which has a radio and not much else.
(20,600mi) I think that was pretty decent. (Although I notice bikes here
are much more expensive than I see quoted on the list.
Ride Safe Ride Long
Good bye
Brian Hopkins
96 VFR 750
1900 miles
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From: Smcavin@aol.com
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Sat, 5 Jul 1997 20:51:24 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 20:51:24 -0400 (EDT)
To: Pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Atlanta
My friend in Atlanta recently purchased my '94 PC800. He would like to meet
some PC owners (or other bikes) to ride with. He lives in Chastain Park (Near
Buckhead). Anyone interested please advise and I'll forward to him. Thanks.
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From: Jim Randall
To: "'PC800 List'"
Subject: FW: PC800: miles and more
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 23:24:57 -0400
There has be a LOT of discussion here on this subject.=20
Look at it this way. The tank holds 4.2 gallons. Assume 4 gallons to be =
on the safe side. At 45mpg (about average) the range should be around =
180 miles. Obviously this will vary based on riding conditions. =
Personally, I usually start looking for gas around 150.=20
Jim Randall
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From: ThZander@aol.com [SMTP:ThZander@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 1997 9:13 AM
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: miles and more
Hi folks!
Does anyone know how many miles are possible to go with a filled up =
tank?
Until its empty.=20
thanks=20
Thomas Zander '92 10kmiles
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Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 20:35:27 -0700
From: Alan Taylor
To: Jim Randall
CC: "'PC800 List'"
Subject: Re: FW: PC800: miles and more
Jim Randall wrote:
> There has be a LOT of discussion here on this subject.
>
> Look at it this way. The tank holds 4.2 gallons. Assume 4 gallons to
> be on the safe side. At 45mpg (about average) the range should be
> around 180 miles. Obviously this will vary based on riding conditions.
> Personally, I usually start looking for gas around 150.
>
> Jim Randall
One possible reason for all the discussion and the variation
experienced, could be due to the accuracy of the speedometers/odometers,
On a recent SCPCRC trip to Santa Barbara, a comparison of speedometers
revealed a 6 to 10 mph difference at around 65.
whether this is due to different tires, or mfg differences from year to
year is unknown, but it would account for the mileage differences.
Alan
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 21:54:06 -0700 (PDT)
To: ka2wij@earthlink.net, ThZander@aol.com
From: "Frederic K. Misumi"
Subject: Re: PC800: miles and more
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
I've been getting at least 55 mpg, have never emptied the tank, but have
once traveled almost 200 miles before filling up with 3.8 gallons!
Theoretically, the range of a tank of gas for me could be:
55+ mpg * 4.2 gal = 231+ miles
Significant variables for this calculation would be:
1. Tire pressure
2. Tire brand & model
3. Riding style
4. Average RPMs
5. Average speed
On the tire pressure:
The tire pressure on my Metzler ML2s makes a significant difference on
performance. When I got the bike, I didn't check the tire pressures because
I had assumed (the lowest form of knowlege) that the seller had checked
everything in his pre-sale preparations, so the tires were at 35 psi on my
first 250 mile joy ride around the neighboring cities of Kent, WA averaging
65 mph. The mileage on this trip was 35 mpg.
Before taking a night trip the following week, I checked the tire pressure
for the first time and what a big surprise it was to discover how low it
was! After a prompt filling to the recommended 49 psi of air and a full 4.2
gallons of gas, I took a short 100-mile tour north and back. The bike stuck
to the freeway like gum, the bars handled effortlessly, and the backwash of
the container-trucks was a breeze when passing them @ well over 70 mph!
Then there's a mile section of freeway that has rain-grooves in them in a
turn on a bridge that's being prepared for resurfacing. At 35 psi, the bike
drifted heavily. At 49 psi, the tires make some noise and added a little
vibration to the ride, but the bike kept it's path and stuck to the freeway
like glue!
I am appalled that I've probably reduced the life of the tires, put my life
in greater risk, and got really bad mileage. But heck, I had fun and the
whole riding experience for me has just improved by every experience. This
is my first bike, my first 1000 miles, and my first time being the center of
so much attention while driving!
Hmmm ... getting back to the point, I suspect that if I rode a lot more
conservatively @ 55mph, that I would get perhaps 60 mpg. The logic behind
this being that I am assuming at least a linear relationship between fuel
consumption and rpms -- the higher the rpms, the higher the fuel consumption
at at least the same rate (possibly more).
- Fred
89 Pearl White @ 21,000
just too darned excited
At 06:55 AM 7/5/97 -0700, Alan Taylor wrote:
>ThZander@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Hi folks!
>>
>> Does anyone know how many miles are possible to go with a filled up
>> tank?
>
>Possible - slightly over 200Likely - 160 to 170
>
>Your actual mileage may vary. Big Time.
>
>Alan
>
>> Until its empty.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Thomas Zander '92 10kmiles
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Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 02:27:02 -0800
From: Dave Gross
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: tires
a groovy link...fyi
http://www.sharples.com/index.htm
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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 07:38:02 -0700 (PDT)
To: dkgross@halcyon.com
From: "Frederic K. Misumi"
Subject: Re: PC800: miles and more
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
The instructions are printed on the tire. "49 psi @ maximum 800 lbs cold"
At 01:58 AM 7/6/97 -0800, you wrote:
>fred...
>
>who recommended setting your ML2's at 49 psi????
>
>I was told by the guy at the shop where I bought them that it should be 38
>front, 42 rear for a single rider (me) of 170 lbs...
>
>curiousity.....
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From: Smcavin@aol.com
by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
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Sun, 6 Jul 1997 12:46:40 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 12:46:40 -0400 (EDT)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: miles and more
In a message dated 97-07-06 00:56:02 EDT, you write:
<< 1. Tire pressure
2. Tire brand & model
3. Riding style
4. Average RPMs
5. Average speed >>
Lets throw in altitude and weather conditions - ie; wind speed/direction, air
pressure etc... these variables may have a significant impact, at least on a
temporary basis.
my .02
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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 16:39:39 -0400
To: "Frederic K. Misumi"
From: Francois Saint Laurent
Subject: Re: PC800: miles and more
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Frederick K. Misumi wrote...
>> After a prompt filling to the recommended 49 psi of air and a full 4.2
>gallons of gas, I took a short 100-mile tour north and back. >>]
<>
Hmmm... Is your PC severely overloaded? Is the total weight of the bike,
with passengers, feul, luggage, etc., approximately 1600 pounds? !
- If not, then you have way too much air in your tires.
- If so, then you have way too much stuff on your PC800!
I would follow the recommendations printed in your manual for the proper
tire pressure, assuming you are running tires that are the same sized as
stock. Depending on your weight and load, you may consider adding/removing
a few pounds to 'tailor' the ride to your personal tastes. Having your
tires pumped up to the maximum recommended pressure of 49psi when you do
not have the corresponding load of 800 pounds will cause premature tire
wear in the center of the tire.
my .02 worth....
fsl
Francois Saint Laurent
Ottawa, Canada
'95 PC800
Not-Waltzing Matilda
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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 15:08:52 -0700
Subject: PC800: Successful Mission
From: timmacy@juno.com (Timothy B Macy)
After a successful 16-day 6200-mile mission exploring strange new lands
and meeting exotic lifeforms across the USA, the StealthMobile touched
down yesterday afternoon in Portland. All personnel onboard survived;
however, Nan ate food that is toxic to humans on the 15th day of the
mission and is still feeling its effects.
After debriefing, a full report will be made available to the public.
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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 15:12:45 -0700 (PDT)
To: Francois Saint Laurent
From: "Frederic K. Misumi"
Subject: Re: PC800: miles and more
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
The bike is 598 pounds dry. I'm 155.
Let's take a look at this:
598 + 155 = 753 pounds.
Let's say that the gasoline, oil, and any other fluids weigh an additional
10 pounds, we have a total weight of 763 pounds. This leaves us with a
clearance of 37 pounds for anything else.
I don't understand what you're trying to say. What would you recommend for
the tire pressure?
- Fred
At 04:39 PM 7/6/97 -0400, Francois Saint Laurent wrote:
>
>Frederick K. Misumi wrote...
>
>
>>> After a prompt filling to the recommended 49 psi of air and a full 4.2
>>gallons of gas, I took a short 100-mile tour north and back. >>]
>
><>
>
>Hmmm... Is your PC severely overloaded? Is the total weight of the bike,
>with passengers, feul, luggage, etc., approximately 1600 pounds? !
>
>- If not, then you have way too much air in your tires.
>- If so, then you have way too much stuff on your PC800!
>
>I would follow the recommendations printed in your manual for the proper
>tire pressure, assuming you are running tires that are the same sized as
>stock. Depending on your weight and load, you may consider adding/removing
>a few pounds to 'tailor' the ride to your personal tastes. Having your
>tires pumped up to the maximum recommended pressure of 49psi when you do
>not have the corresponding load of 800 pounds will cause premature tire
>wear in the center of the tire.
>
>my .02 worth....
>
>
>fsl
>
>
>
>Francois Saint Laurent
>Ottawa, Canada
>
>'95 PC800
>Not-Waltzing Matilda
>
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 15:56:28 -0700 (PDT)
To: Francois Saint Laurent
From: "Frederic K. Misumi"
Subject: Re: PC800: miles and more
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Whoops! I lied ...
According to Cycle World June '89, the weight of the bike is supposed to be:
606 lbs dry
631 lbs Tank Full
988 lbs GVWR
357 lbs load capacity
It's the 1997 models that are less than 600 pounds at a claimed weight of
584.2 pounds.
And, of course, this article is basing their data on the Dunlon K555 tires
where I have the Metzler ML2s. Therefore, most of the performance data will
differ as well (i.e. mileage, braking distance, etc).
Ain't this a cool bike?
Also, on a trip report by Neil Thompson, and while we're on the subject of
range, had noted that the difference in fuel consumption when traveling at
65mph vs 75 mph is about 8mpg. This equates to about a 14.2% reduction in
his fuel economy from 56 mpg.
- Fred
The bike is 598 pounds dry. I'm 155.
Let's take a look at this:
598 + 155 = 753 pounds.
Let's say that the gasoline, oil, and any other fluids weigh an additional
10 pounds, we have a total weight of 763 pounds. This leaves us with a
clearance of 37 pounds for anything else.
I don't understand what you're trying to say. What would you recommend for
the tire pressure?
- Fred
At 04:39 PM 7/6/97 -0400, Francois Saint Laurent wrote:
>
>Frederick K. Misumi wrote...
>
>
>>> After a prompt filling to the recommended 49 psi of air and a full 4.2
>>gallons of gas, I took a short 100-mile tour north and back. >>]
>
><>
>
>Hmmm... Is your PC severely overloaded? Is the total weight of the bike,
>with passengers, feul, luggage, etc., approximately 1600 pounds? !
>
>- If not, then you have way too much air in your tires.
>- If so, then you have way too much stuff on your PC800!
>
>I would follow the recommendations printed in your manual for the proper
>tire pressure, assuming you are running tires that are the same sized as
>stock. Depending on your weight and load, you may consider adding/removing
>a few pounds to 'tailor' the ride to your personal tastes. Having your
>tires pumped up to the maximum recommended pressure of 49psi when you do
>not have the corresponding load of 800 pounds will cause premature tire
>wear in the center of the tire.
>
>my .02 worth....
>
>
>fsl
>
>
>
>Francois Saint Laurent
>Ottawa, Canada
>
>'95 PC800
>Not-Waltzing Matilda
>
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 18:57:15 -0700
Subject: Re: PC800: miles and more
From: timmacy@juno.com (Timothy B Macy)
On Sat, 5 Jul 1997 09:12:32 -0400 (EDT) ThZander@aol.com writes:
>Hi folks! Does anyone know how many miles are possible to go with a
filled up
>tank? Until its empty.
Last Thursday--Idaho mountains--2-up and fully loaded--201 miles on 3.6
gallons. Best solo--220 miles. (Don't try this at home, kids) :-}}
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To: fredm@disciples.com
Cc: ka2wij@earthlink.net, ThZander@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: miles and more
From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux)
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 22:32:39 EDT
49 lbs tire pressure? Where did you get that? My book calls for much
less I am sure. I am too lazy to get up and go to the garage and see.
But I know my book does not say 49. Egads.
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Subject: Re: PC800: New Bike time to move on
From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux)
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 22:32:39 EDT
To the guy who traded off his PC. If anyone wants to sell one with a
radio let me know. I want the radio and will buy the whole bike to get
one if I have to. Original factory radio only.
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To: fredm@disciples.com
Cc: dkgross@halcyon.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: miles and more
From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux)
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 22:32:39 EDT
I would be afraid of that pressure (49lbs). I had some trailer tires that
said 60 lbs max and blew one to bits at 65MPH. Then I read the book that
came with the trailer and it was 35 lbs. I had my antique Indian on the
trlr and almost had a heart attack. Luckily I had a spare trlr tire.
Egads, don't go by what the tire says, go by the motorcycle owner's
manual. The tire mfr does not know the load of the bike or its handling
characteristics. Forgive me if I am out of line, but I feel very
strongly about this.
On Sun, 6 Jul 1997 07:38:02 -0700 (PDT) "Frederic K. Misumi"
writes:
>The instructions are printed on the tire. "49 psi @ maximum 800 lbs
>cold"
>
>At 01:58 AM 7/6/97 -0800, you wrote:
>>fred...
>>
>>who recommended setting your ML2's at 49 psi????
>>
>>I was told by the guy at the shop where I bought them that it should
>be 38
>>front, 42 rear for a single rider (me) of 170 lbs...
>>
>>curiousity.....
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>>http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross
>>
>>
>
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To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: miles and more
From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux)
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 22:32:39 EDT
Remember amis, running out of gas on a high speed run can cause engine
damage pursuant to a warning in my BMW owner's manual that I got with my
new 1969 R60 lo those minny years ago....Pls 2B CAreful.
On another front I will be exposing my splines (to be sure they are good
and greasy) in the garage this wk and will let you know how it went.
Hopefully it won't be getting me busted for indecent exposure.
I plan to use moblbew -um, lomib, uh, molib de num-there I said it,
molybdenum grease-how do you stuff it in there? Just coat the splines
good with it or can I inject it without removing the whole thingy. Yes I
have a factory manual.
On Sat, 05 Jul 1997 09:16:03 -0700 Phil Lewis
writes:
>ThZander@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> Hi folks!
>>
>> Does anyone know how many miles are possible to go with a filled up
>tank?
>> Until its empty.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Thomas Zander '92 10kmiles
>
>I ran mine out for a test, and it went 177 mules (er. miles) before it
>quit. I never plan to get more than 150 between Phil-ups (er.
>fill-ups!) :)
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Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 22:37:51 -0400
From: "Gary E. Klim"
To: "Frederic K. Misumi"
CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group
Subject: Re: PC800: miles and more
Frederic K. Misumi wrote:
> This leaves us with
> a
> clearance of 37 pounds for anything else.
Actually, that's 837 pounds, as the tire load rating is for that
specific tire, not divided between the two...
gk
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Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 22:44:25 -0400
From: "Gary E. Klim"
To: Rocky E Rocheux
CC: PILEWIS1@concentric.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: miles and more
<33BE7343.6BEB@concentric.net> <19970706.222944.4295.14.Rocheux@juno.com>
Rocky E Rocheux wrote:
> how do you stuff it in there? Just coat the splines
> good with it or can I inject it without removing the whole thingy.
The can of Moly grease I have has a brush applicator built into the
screw on lid. This is "A Good Thing', as Moly grease adheres to most
everything as well as it does to metal. Simply brush the Moly into the
splines at both ends and reassemble.
gk
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by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
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Sun, 6 Jul 1997 22:52:01 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 22:52:01 -0400 (EDT)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: AWESOME THREE DAY WEEKEND
Hello All,
I just got back from my AWESOME three day weekend trip. I left San Antonio
at 1030 on Friday and hit I-10 West headed for Roswell, Mexico. The bike
trunk held everything I needed, and the tank bag held all my small ready to
get to things like, my wallet, beef jerky, sunglasses, maps etc. I stopped
about a 100 miles in Junction, Texas to rest and gas up. While I was sipped
some gatorade in through the Texas heat waves and southwestern dust rides a
tall lanky older BMW rider, packed down to the gills. I asked him where he
was headed and he replied the Artic Circle. I said, EXCUSE ME. He replied
again, "the Artic Circle". His name was
Artis Birmingham, from Houston, Texas. He was riding to Washington State to
catch the ferry to Alaska and then head into the Great North. Man what a
trip.
We got on our bikes and headed west to Ft Stockton. I hear a lot of people
complain even myself of the boring drive out west pas San Antonio. But I'm
here to tell you it was fantastic. It's a whole different ball game on a
bike.
We stopped in Ft Stockton, ate and gassed up and then headed up 285N
towards
Carlsbad, NM. We stopped in Pecos, TX. (home of America's first Rodeo) to
get something to drink and gas up. Carlsbad was another 70 miles.
We reached Carlsbad at about 7:30. Unfortunately for us, the place was
crawling with tourists, not to mention the 5th annual Alien encounter party
up the road in Roswell. Every hotel we stopped in was booked solid. We
finally located some flea bag inn and shared a room for $80.00.
Artis bought some beer and packed in for the evening. I went out riding
around town and stopped for some dinner. Met some great folks at Lucy's
Mexican Restaraunt. After I ate I rode over to the river to watch the the
4th of July fireworks. Afterwhich I headed back to the hotel. When I got in
Artis was sound asleep.
He rolled over and I noticed his arm was completely covered with tattoos. It
was then it dawned on me that I was sharing a room with a complete stranger.
Of course thoughts of serial killer went through my mind, but I shrugged
them off and went to sleep.
At 0430 Artis was up and heading out the door. He asked me If I wanted to
head further up north and have breakfast, but I passed and told him I was
going to head towards the Guadalupe National Park. I wrote down my address,
he said he would send a post card from the Artic. I went back to sleep.
At 1000 I awoke and pondered my next step. I decided to head up and over to
the mountains of Cloudcroft NM. I headed up 285N to 82W and over towards
CloudCroft.
On 285 at the next town, I came up on another BMW rider. We pulled over
and introduced ourselves. He was "D" and he had just bought his BMW from a
friend in Austin, TX and was riding to San Francisco. We rode all the way to
Cloudcroft together. He was riding a 650, no fairing or windshiled, and was
bent over in the racing position the whole way. I'm not sure of the model of
the bike. We arrived in CLoudcroft and he headed out. I looked around for a
while, ate lunch, had a beer and decided to go back to Carlsbad. I was going
to attempt to get a date with the girl at the National Park Info Center.
I arrived back at the center at 630 after going through TWO hail storms,
she was still there. I made some small talk and then popped the question.
Oh well, I tried.
I then decided to head back south to Ft Stockton, TX. I made it there in
about 2 hours, gassed up and turned on I-10 E back towards San Anton, about
280 miles.
If you have never been out in the middle of the southwestern desert area at
night on a motorcycle, you are missing it. The night sky was spectacular.
Nothing but stars.
Its pitch black and you can see millions of stars. That' s what I tried to
explain to the State Trooper who pulled me over. 76 in a 65. Big deal. He
let me off with a warning. I cruished on into Ozona, TX. Spent the night
and got up this morning at about 1000. I heade down 1-10 E and then cut-over
on 290E throught the spectacular Texas Hill Country. My destination: Austin.
Mission: Hook up with old girlfriend. Staus: Successful.
We had dinner and I left Austin and got home about an hour ago.
Final summation: The PC was smooth, quiet, fast (only took it to 105mph) and
dependable. I LOVE THIS BIKE. Total miles since Friday: 1298. Love it.
Later
Mike
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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 22:05:51 -0700 (PDT)
To: "Gary E. Klim"
From: "Frederic K. Misumi"
Subject: Re: PC800: miles and more
Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group
Wow! Are you saying that I could lug a maximum of 1600 pounds on the two
tires as a set? At the time that I looked at the bike what caught my
attention was that the bike + me equals almost 800 pounds -- what kind of a
tire would I look for if I were 250 pounds?
That's cool!
- Fred
At 10:37 PM 7/6/97 -0400, Gary E. Klim wrote:
>Frederic K. Misumi wrote:
>> This leaves us with
>> a
>> clearance of 37 pounds for anything else.
>
>Actually, that's 837 pounds, as the tire load rating is for that
>specific tire, not divided between the two...
>
>gk
>________________________________________________________________________
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> gklim@harman.com
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>
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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 22:05:47 -0700 (PDT)
To: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux)
From: "Frederic K. Misumi"
Subject: Re: PC800: miles and more
Cc: dkgross@halcyon.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
You gotta be kidding. Trailer tires have much lower tolerances and they're
cheaper. You're comparing apples with tomatos. The owners manual doesn't
refer to the Metzlers on the bike. There's a rumor that the manufacturer
puts Dunlops on them, and that they don't publish specifications for
anything but what they put on the bike when it leaves the factory.
- Fred
At 10:32 PM 7/6/97 EDT, Rocky E Rocheux wrote:
>I would be afraid of that pressure (49lbs). I had some trailer tires that
>said 60 lbs max and blew one to bits at 65MPH. Then I read the book that
>came with the trailer and it was 35 lbs. I had my antique Indian on the
>trlr and almost had a heart attack. Luckily I had a spare trlr tire.
>Egads, don't go by what the tire says, go by the motorcycle owner's
>manual. The tire mfr does not know the load of the bike or its handling
>characteristics. Forgive me if I am out of line, but I feel very
>strongly about this.
>On Sun, 6 Jul 1997 07:38:02 -0700 (PDT) "Frederic K. Misumi"
> writes:
>>The instructions are printed on the tire. "49 psi @ maximum 800 lbs
>>cold"
>>
>>At 01:58 AM 7/6/97 -0800, you wrote:
>>>fred...
>>>
>>>who recommended setting your ML2's at 49 psi????
>>>
>>>I was told by the guy at the shop where I bought them that it should
>>be 38
>>>front, 42 rear for a single rider (me) of 170 lbs...
>>>
>>>curiousity.....
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>>>http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross
>>>
>>>
>>
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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 22:05:44 -0700 (PDT)
To: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux)
From: "Frederic K. Misumi"
Subject: Re: PC800: miles and more
Cc: ka2wij@earthlink.net, ThZander@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
49 lbs is stamped on the tire. Are you looking at a Metzler book? I've
been looking for a Metzler site for a while. Can you send me the info on this?
Thanks
- Fred
At 10:32 PM 7/6/97 EDT, Rocky E Rocheux wrote:
>49 lbs tire pressure? Where did you get that? My book calls for much
>less I am sure. I am too lazy to get up and go to the garage and see.
>But I know my book does not say 49. Egads.
>
>
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Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 22:50:12 -0800
From: Dave Gross
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: tire pressure controversy
WOW...here's a message from a tire dealer in the UK..
****
Hi Dave
Thanks for your message!
> do you know what the recommend PSI is for Metzeler
> ML2's on a Honda Pacific Coast PC800????
Here's the UK recommendations from Dunlop and Metzeler:-
=== Dunlop ===
120/80 -17 61H T/L K555F
140/80 -15 67H T/L K555
Front=33 (2.30)
Rear=33 (2.30)
=== Metzeler ===
120/80 -17 67H T/L reinf ML2 Marathon Front
140/80B 15 73H T/L reinf ML2 MBS Marathon +
Front:solo=33 (2.30) high load/speed=33 (2.30)
Rear:solo=38 (2.65) high load/speed=41 (2.85)
If you need any further information, please do not hesitate to let me know.
Best regards... Steve
/\ Steve Lythgoe - Sharples Tyres, Bolton, UK
/ \ e-mail:steve@sharples.com
/ \ http://www.sharples.com
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\ / Fax:+44 (0) 1204 365511
\/ Write:PO Box 234, Bolton, BL3 6FD
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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 22:29:52 -0700
Subject: Re: PC800: Dunlop K177's
From: timmacy@juno.com (Timothy B Macy)
On Fri, 27 Jun 1997 09:26:19 -0700 "Stephen A. Churchill" writes: The
second article >interestingly enough claims that the author got over 16k
miles on the rear tire and >over 25k miles on the front. Anybody out
there got that kind of mileage on the stock >tires?
I got over 20K on the front tire that I replaced just before our trip.
I've got 16K on the rear tire now; still plenty of tread left. K177s...of
course!
Tim
Portland, OR
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From: pckwong@hkusua.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: Re: PC800: tire pressure controversy
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 14:11:59 +0800 (HKT)
Hi all!
> Here's the UK recommendations from Dunlop and Metzeler:-
>
> === Dunlop ===
>
> 120/80 -17 61H T/L K555F
> 140/80 -15 67H T/L K555
>
> Front=33 (2.30)
> Rear=33 (2.30)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is what the owner's manual said. You'll find another suggestion
from www.dunloptire.com/cgi-bin/dunlop/cycle/fitment.pl at
Front = 32
Rear = 40
I tried both, can't say which is better, but I found 33/40
more suitable for my riding style. I have K177s installed.
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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 07:15:37 -0400
From: "Gary E. Klim"
To: "Frederic K. Misumi"
CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group
Subject: Re: PC800: miles and more
Frederic K. Misumi wrote:
> At the time that I looked at the bike what caught my
> attention was that the bike + me equals almost 800 pounds -- what kind
> of a
> tire would I look for if I were 250 pounds?
These days, the GVWR is usually a factor that is determined more by
corporate lawyers than the actual capacity of the bike/tire/load
combination...
gk
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From: J.S.Allan@open.ac.uk (John Allan)
To: dkgross@halcyon.com
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 11:49:04 +0100
Subject: Re: PC800: tire pressure controversy
dkgross@halcyon.com,Internet writes:
>Here's the UK recommendations from Dunlop and Metzeler:-
>=== Dunlop ===
>120/80 -17 61H T/L K555F
>140/80 -15 67H T/L K555
>Front=33 (2.30)
>Rear=33 (2.30)
That's interesting. I have K555s and was running at the handbook's 41
rear.
I have got the centre of the tyre down to 1.5mm whilst the outside area
is 4mm. This certainly indicates that 41 is too much. However the
handbook indicates that the back should be higher than the front. The
Dunlop suggestion is both front and rear the same????
Doesn't add up!
John
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From: BobS17@aol.com
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Mon, 7 Jul 1997 08:31:57 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 08:31:57 -0400 (EDT)
To: rocheux@juno.com
cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: New To Group
Unfortunately there isn't a place to get it. I had it custom made at a
machine shop here in Nashville. It's made out of polished stainless steel,
is about 12" deep by 14" wide, and is attached to the backrest pegs, which
have been extended up by 8". The back edge of it turns up slightly, much
like you see them on a Goldwing back trunk, and there are two helmet pegs on
each corner. It works well for an extra bag or a small cooler.
thanks...bob
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To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 07:11:33 -0500
Subject: PC800: traffic lights
From: mike.larson@juno.com (Mike Larson)
Saw an ad in this months American Motorcyclist for a company called
Signalmatic. They make a device that allows traffic lights to recognize
motorcycles. I sat thru a couple of lights this weekend until a car
finally activated the light. Has anyone had any experience with The
Signalmatic or know what it costs?
Mike
mike.larson@juno.com
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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 08:56:39 -0700
From: "Gregg L. DesElms"
To: Mike Larson
CC: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: traffic lights
Mike Larson wrote:
>
> Saw an ad in this months American Motorcyclist for a company called
> Signalmatic. They make a device that allows traffic lights to recognize
> motorcycles. I sat thru a couple of lights this weekend until a car
> finally activated the light. Has anyone had any experience with The
> Signalmatic or know what it costs?
>
The fact that such a product exists would be excellent prima facia
evidence of the existence of the problem in a court of law. There are
still many judges who don't believe there's a problem. One time, the
only way I beat a moving violation citation for running a stop light was
to videotape the problem and get several witnesses to also testify that
the sensors in the pavement would not pick-up my bike. And, because I
didn't want a car to trip it during my videotaping, I had to do it at
3:30 a.m. on a Monday morning -- just about the most dead time I could
think of at that intersection. It was a major pain. I would be
interested in knowing about this device as well, even if I didn't
ultimately buy it. It could make great evidence. In many years of
riding, I've been stopped three times for running a stop light on the
bike. Twice the officers understood as soon as I explained it to them,
so no tickets. But that one time...
Gregg DesElms
deselms@royal.net
'89 PC800
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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 22:09:01 +0800
From: Poh Yu Seung
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: oil level?
Hi gang,
here's a question for those with an eye for the details. I put in 3.2
litres of oil just like the manual says, but the dip stick is at least
5mm (1/4 in) above the high mark.
When I take out approx 100 ml and then the level (according to the dip
stick) looks fine. So which is the right way to set the oil level?
BTW, I got equal number of yeas and nays to the Slick 50 question and
haven't experienced any clutch slippage so I'll leave it in there till
the next change. will keep all informed on any changes in oil.
Yu Seung from Singapore
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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 10:38:12 EST
From: James Hyder
Subject: Re: PC800: firewalling and reading other's e mail
>> Barbara Brick wrote:
>>
>> Some of you are techs for systems around the country. Can I ask a quick
>> and unrelated PC question in that it effects my e mail. Are there any
>> other major ways someone can break the wall and read your e mail other
>> than being an administrator to the program one uses?
Gregg DesElms replied:
> The short answer is a qualified "yes." But it seems obvious to me that
> you're having a specific problem of some kind (or you suspect one).
> Rather than address the generalities of hacking past a firewall (of
> which there are many kinds and, therefore, many different ways to hack
> them, and concomitant probabilities of undetected success), why don't we
> approch it a different way? Why don't you tell us what the specific
> problem is? Do you suspect that someone is reading and/or
> retrieving/deleting your e-mail? What is the specific concern?
Don't forget that the simplest solution is usually the right one. There
could be some demon hacker who's broken through system security without
alerting the sys admins, but it's more likely that someone could have learned
your password by looking over your shoulder or some other social engineering
technique.
Do you log out *every* time you leave your desk, even for a couple of
minutes? Are you using non-obvious passwords (*not* your birthday, or your
children's names, etc.)?
Changing your passwords frequently (i.e. once a week or more) is perhaps the
best protection if you think someone's reading your mail. If you're being
prudent and it still happens, the problem could be lax security on the part
of your sys admins. Is e-mail kept in a non-secure network directory? Is a
factory-standard backdoor or password still in place? Have *their* passwords
been compromised?
I know it's enough to make you paranoid, but if you are careful yourself and
your sys admins are 1) competent, 2) cooperative, and 3) not the source of
the problem themselves, you should be able to fix this. Good luck.
--James Hyder
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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 12:06:03 -0400
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Cheryl L. Johnson"
Subject: Re: PC800: traffic lights
At 07:11 AM 7/7/97 -0500, you wrote:
I sat thru a couple of lights this weekend until a car
>finally activated the light. Has anyone had any experience with The
>Signalmatic or know what it costs?
>Mike
>mike.larson@juno.com
I regularly have to run a red light on the way to work because it is late
and deserted. However,
if I wasn't in so much of a hurry, I could make the light change by
dropping the side stand
near the sensor in the road. Of course this necessitates being in the exact
position in the
lane. Apparently the sensors respond electromagnetically to the ferrous
content of the vehicle.
Since cars have way more iron in them they have no trouble tripping them.
Don't forget to
shift to neutral when trying this :)
Bill Johnson
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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 11:04:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux)
Subject: Re: PC800: miles and more
To: fredm@disciples.com
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
NO I am not kidding. Here is what my owner's manual says (now I was not
too lazy to go in the garage at this point and get it):
Front cold pressure 33PSI
Rear cold pressure, 33 psi with less than 200 lbs of added weight
If you go over 200 lbs it is 41.
Far cry from what, 59 lbs??Now! It does not say anything about that this
is tire brand specific. I have never heard of anything in all my 59
years that stated anything like, this only applies to Dunlop and not
Metzeler(not spelled Metzler) or applies to Goodyear but not Firestone
except on Saturdays and Sundays with Kelley Springfield tires. Just
trying to be light. I don't know where you got the idea that it depends
on the brand of tire.
Now as to the comparison---forgive me for not being more clear--I am not
comparing trailer tires to motorcycle tires. What I was comparing was the
1-act of following pressure recommendations on the side of the tire
versus 2-following recommendations in the motor vehicle owner's manual.
One of the values of this net is to help each other by expressing
knowledge and opinions. If you want to put all that air in your tire you
are free to do so, but,moi, I follow the vehicle mfr's recommendations,
period. I really think that those recommendation the tire are the
maximums for that tire as I recall reading MAX along with those pressures
on tires over the yrs. Good luck.
On Sun, 6 Jul 1997 22:05:47 -0700 (PDT) "Frederic K. Misumi"
writes:
>You gotta be kidding. Trailer tires have much lower tolerances and
>they're
>cheaper. You're comparing apples with tomatos. The owners manual
>doesn't
>refer to the Metzlers on the bike. There's a rumor that the
>manufacturer
>puts Dunlops on them, and that they don't publish specifications for
>anything but what they put on the bike when it leaves the factory.
>
>- Fred
>
>At 10:32 PM 7/6/97 EDT, Rocky E Rocheux wrote:
>>I would be afraid of that pressure (49lbs). I had some trailer tires
>that
>>said 60 lbs max and blew one to bits at 65MPH. Then I read the book
>that
>>came with the trailer and it was 35 lbs. I had my antique Indian on
>the
>>trlr and almost had a heart attack. Luckily I had a spare trlr tire.
>
>>Egads, don't go by what the tire says, go by the motorcycle owner's
>>manual. The tire mfr does not know the load of the bike or its
>handling
>>characteristics. Forgive me if I am out of line, but I feel very
>>strongly about this.
>>On Sun, 6 Jul 1997 07:38:02 -0700 (PDT) "Frederic K. Misumi"
>> writes:
>>>The instructions are printed on the tire. "49 psi @ maximum 800 lbs
>
>>>cold"
>>>
>>>At 01:58 AM 7/6/97 -0800, you wrote:
>>>>fred...
>>>>
>>>>who recommended setting your ML2's at 49 psi????
>>>>
>>>>I was told by the guy at the shop where I bought them that it
>should
>>>be 38
>>>>front, 42 rear for a single rider (me) of 170 lbs...
>>>>
>>>>curiousity.....
>>>>--
>>>>
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>>>>http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>>
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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 08:04:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Wanda Bailie
Subject: Re[2]: PC800: miles and more
To: ThZander@aol.com, PILEWIS1@concentric.net
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
I regularly run 180 miles or so before getting a fill up. I have
gotten 220 on 1 tank and didn't run out before gas station. I
took a 1600+ mile trip this 3 day weekend. Ended up in Sun
Valley, ID. and crossed the Sawtooth mountains via Stanley, then
hiway 21. I got 60.44 miles mpg on that tank and the previous
tank I got 60.01. I know what you've said about runing regular,
but my machanic has mine tuned to run premium (92 octane if
possible) and it runs great. I must agree that each bike is
different with how far you can go before needing gas.
Wanda Bailie '95 PC800 "Black Beauty"
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Subject: Re: PC800: miles and more
Author: PILEWIS1@concentric.net at INTERNET-KENTROX
Date: 7/5/97 9:38 AM
ThZander@aol.com wrote:
>
> Hi folks!
>
> Does anyone know how many miles are possible to go with a filled up tank?
> Until its empty.
>
> thanks
>
> Thomas Zander '92 10kmiles
I ran mine out for a test, and it went 177 mules (er. miles) before it
quit. I never plan to get more than 150 between Phil-ups (er.
fill-ups!) :)
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Mon, 7 Jul 1997 13:15:36 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 13:15:36 -0400 (EDT)
To: J.S.Allan@open.ac.uk, dkgross@halcyon.com
cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: tire pressure controversy
In a message dated 97-07-07 08:08:37 EDT, J.S.Allan@open.ac.uk (John Allan)
writes:
<< I have got the centre of the tyre down to 1.5mm whilst the outside area
is 4mm. This certainly indicates that 41 is too much. However the
handbook indicates that the back should be higher than the front. The
Dunlop suggestion is both front and rear the same????
Doesn't add up! >>
It sure doesn't. The reason is that you are applying car technology to
bikes. in a car tire, you want the surface of the tire in contact with the
road to be flat. You also want a suspension that will keep this surface flat
against the road surface when the suspension is loaded (as in cornering.) If
you put too much air in the tires, you will curve the flat surface and reduce
the size of the tire patch resulting first, in sudden loss of adhesion (we
used to do this on purpose in gymkhanas), and second in excessive wear right
in the middle of the tire's tread.
By contrast, the last thing on earth you want in a motorcycle tire (except
for a dragster) is a flat tire section. The section of a motorcycle tire is
rounded. You use the center of the tire when running straight ahead and you
use the sides when cornering. Except in road racing, the center always wears
much faster than the edges. This is NORMAL. It is not a defect and it it
not the result of setting your tire pressures too high! If you lower your
rear tire pressure much below the recommended pressures, you will heat up
your tires much more (this only works on bias ply tires, BTW), and you will
wear them out much faster.
If you don't believe me, get ahold of Steve Lythgoe (the Englishman who wrote
the message posted by Tim). He is very knowledgeable, though he will only
give you the factory story publicly. If you want race type information,
you'll have to get to know him a lot better...
Regards,
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by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
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Mon, 7 Jul 1997 13:57:11 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 13:57:11 -0400 (EDT)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: AWESOME THREE DAY WEEKEND
Nice report, Mike.
I've done a bit of riding in that same area, and it is indeed a great place
for it. Although I've never shared a room with a fully-tatooed serial killer
or propositioned a Park Ranger, I think I may have run across that trooper
(and he didn't let me off with a warning). Some folks have all the luck :)
JT
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by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
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Mon, 7 Jul 1997 13:58:13 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 13:58:13 -0400 (EDT)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: tire pressure controversy
Hi Gang:
Guess I'll jump in and add a bit to this thread:
The pressures listed in the owner's manual for any bike are for the Original
Equipment tires only (for the PC that means K555 Dunlops). If you replace
the OE tires with another brand, type and/or size, you should contact the
tire manufacturer for the recommended pressures for their tires on your bike.
Both Dunlop and Metzeler have customer service lines for that purpose, and I
assume that the other manufacturers do as well.
A call to Dunlop yields the following for the PC running K177s:
Front, 33 psig; Rear, 41 psig for all weights up to the maximum.
Note: these are the same as for the K555s for "up to maximum weight capacity"
as listed in the owner's/service manual.
A similar call to Metzeler yields the following for the PC running an ML2
front and an ML2+ rear:
200 lb load Max Load
Front, 36 psig 38 psig
Rear, 44 psig 46 psig
FWIW: the max cold pressure printed on the tire is valid only if you are
running at the tire's (not the motorcycle's) maximum rated load, which
normally is way beyond the GVWR for the motorcycle. However, if you are
going to err, it is always safer to run at a higher pressure than is actually
required rather than lower. As has been pointed out by others, running at a
higher-than-required pressure can result in increased center-tread wear and
probably a harsher ride. But running at lower-than-required pressure results
in excessive heating which leads to both rapid tire wear and a high potential
for catastrophic failure. Proper tire pressure is the single-most-important
maintenance and preride-check item for a motorcycle. Check it often!
JT
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From: TedJ101@aol.com
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Mon, 7 Jul 1997 14:06:41 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 14:06:41 -0400 (EDT)
To: rocheux@juno.com, fredm@disciples.com
cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: miles and more
In a message dated 97-07-07 12:59:44 EDT, rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux)
writes:
<< Now! It does not say anything about that this
is tire brand specific. I have never heard of anything in all my 59
years that stated anything like, this only applies to Dunlop and not
Metzeler(not spelled Metzler) or applies to Goodyear but not Firestone
except on Saturdays and Sundays with Kelley Springfield tires. Just
trying to be light. I don't know where you got the idea that it depends
on the brand of tire.
>>
Different brands of tires often specify different tire pressures for
different applications. Generally, bike owner's manuals indicate the standard
and optional tires for the bike and the recommended pressures for those
tires. My recollection is that the PC manual only deals with the K177 and
K555.
Regards,
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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 14:12:46 -0400
From: "Gary E. Klim"
To: "Cheryl L. Johnson"
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: traffic lights
Cheryl L. Johnson wrote:
> However,
> if I wasn't in so much of a hurry, I could make the light change by
> dropping the side stand
> near the sensor in the road.
Stopping the engine and restarting it almost always provides the
necessary induction to trip the sensor. I read this trick in a bike mag
some years ago, and seems to work reliably.
gk
________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 13:38:00 -0600 (MDT)
From: Paul Walter Boyden
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Ham Owners?
Just so we know the interest is there, I would also be interested in
finding a good set-up for a HAM radio. However, I just barely started
looking into it, so I have no solutions.
-Paul W. Boyden
Salt Lake City, Utah
N7UGF
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From: BobS17@aol.com
by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
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Mon, 7 Jul 1997 16:07:34 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 16:07:34 -0400 (EDT)
To: deselms@royal.net
cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: New To Group
We're talking about the luggage rack I had made for the back of my '90 PC. I
mentioned it in the modifications listing for the new to the group posting I
sent recently.
I've had so many comments on it over the years (mostly good) that I wish I
had some of them to sell. Unfortunately the machinist that made it has now
retired and I don't know where it could be duplicated. Sorry.
thanks...bob
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 16:47:42 -0500 (CDT)
From: radarst@ix.netcom.com (Richard A Schuler)
Subject: PC800: New PC in New Jersey
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Just a quick note to say that there is a "New" red 97 Pacific Coast in
stock at Mt Holly Power Sports in New Jersey. The price is $7,700.
Talk to Trey Conte at (609) 267-2123 FAX (609) 267-2059
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To: rocheux@juno.com
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: I did the spline dance!!!!!
From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 19:28:13 EDT
I can't believe I did it. The bike is out in the drive and I quickly
came in and washed my hands and here I am to report to you. Like getting
the old Indian on the center stand, I put a 2x6 board in front of the
rear wheel and put 2x4s next to it. Then I walked the PC up on the 2x6.
Then I put the center stand on the adjacent 2x4s and removed the long 2x6
leaving a lot of clearance under the rear wheel. Then I took a trailer
tie down strap and ran a hook over the center stand and with the other
end made a loop thru the front wheel and tightened it so that the center
stand would not move back if I rocked the PC and allow the bike to fall
over.
Next I removed the bolt for the stabilizer bar from the brake hub & the
brake rod and moved them out of the way. Then I got a 27mm socket at the
auto parts and loosened the nut on the axle. I could not believe how
tight it was. Loosening the axle tie down bolt was the last thing. I
could not get the brake hub out, so decided to drop the wheel and brake
hub. I did drop it to the floor of the garage but the brake assy would
not come all the way out but I did not need it all the way out anyway.
I could get my fingers easily to the male part of the spline thing in the
wheel assembly. Then I was able to and did remove the brake hub. I found
I did not need to remove it. Stupid of me to want to take it out. I
wish I would have had a blow by blow like this that I am writing here to
tell me to avoid that. Perhaps you can keep this and it will help you one
day. Eyeballing the splines I found they were very greasy and a lot of
grease had splattered inside the area around the splines. So I coated
the spaces between the teeth on the male member on the wheel with grease
(yes, molybdenum as called for in manual) but not the female thingy in
the drive hub as filling the spaces between the teeth would be enuf and
some would goop out at that I am sure.
I got some 2x4s under the wheel and was able to lever it up into position
and got the axle thru it. Then I was able to jack the wheel around and
finally it slid onto the splines. Then I removed the axle and reinserted
it with the spacer which I had left out because there was no room for it
until the wheel was slid well onto the hub. Tightened everything up. I
would, based on my discovery of the grease there in ample supply, not
recommend this until the normal interval in the manual. Finally, the
book said to grease the axle and I did that with a thin coat of grease.
Probably to ease replacement.
Now I will go put everything away and work out on the weights to fight
the aging process. I'd rather be riding. Thank you to those who sent
suggestions and encouragement. Love and kisses and raspberries.
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 20:04:30 -0400
To: "Frederic K. Misumi"
From: Francois Saint Laurent
Subject: Re: PC800: miles and more
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Frederick wrote...
>The bike is 598 pounds dry. I'm 155.
>Let's take a look at this:
> 598 + 155 = 753 pounds.
>Let's say that the gasoline, oil, and any other fluids weigh an additional
>10 pounds, we have a total weight of 763 pounds. This leaves us with a
>clearance of 37 pounds for anything else.
>
>I don't understand what you're trying to say. What would you recommend for
>the tire pressure?
>
Excellent math Fred, but you forgot one point. The PC800 has 2 tires!
Basically the point I was trying to make was that you had the tires pumped
to the maximumpressure for the maximum load rating which provided for 800
pounds...per tire...which equates to 1600 pounds...much more than the bike,
fuel, oil, driver, passenger, luggage, etc., would ever weigh.
bye for now...
fsl
Francois Saint Laurent
Ottawa, Canada
'95 PC800
Not-Waltzing Matilda
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 17:17:54 -0900
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula"
Subject: PC800: I did the spline dance!!!!!
>Now I will go put everything away and work out on the weights to fight
>the aging process. I'd rather be riding. Thank you to those who sent
>suggestions and encouragement. Love and kisses and raspberries.
I hate to do this to you Rocky, but... While you did all this work, did you
check the _drive shaft_ splines? I thought those were the ones that were
found dry. Just a thought, don't kill the messenger. Rocky, Rocky!
aughhhh!.... ;-)
BTW, I grease the final drive splines everytime I change tires (that would
be twice so far) and have always found them with plenty of grease left. I
have yet to check the driveshaft splines, but will, soon.
Juan
"We few, we happy few, we band of PC Riders"
-- With apologies to William
Shakespeare
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School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '91 Suzuki VX800
University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat
(907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG
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Subject: PC800: Splines follow up
From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 22:07:30 EDT
I forgot to say that I noticed in the manual that the grease advice
showing a grease gun with an M in a circle (recommending Molybdenum)
showed to grease the male member of the spline partnership by having an
arrow to the male only and no arrow pointing to the female in the drive
housing.
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:21:41 -0700 (PDT)
To: "Gary E. Klim"
From: "Frederic K. Misumi"
Subject: Re: PC800: miles and more
Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group
Does anyone have scientific data on the actual capacity of the
bike/tire/load combination?
- Fred
At 07:15 AM 7/7/97 -0400, Gary E. Klim wrote:
>Frederic K. Misumi wrote:
>> At the time that I looked at the bike what caught my
>> attention was that the bike + me equals almost 800 pounds -- what kind
>> of a
>> tire would I look for if I were 250 pounds?
>
>These days, the GVWR is usually a factor that is determined more by
>corporate lawyers than the actual capacity of the bike/tire/load
>combination...
>
>gk
>________________________________________________________________________
>Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net
> gklim@harman.com
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:21:46 -0700 (PDT)
To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Frederic K. Misumi"
Subject: Re: PC800: tire pressure controversy
Finally, an educated response from reliable sources -- the manufacturers.
- Fred
At 01:58 PM 7/7/97 -0400, JTSMCRIDER@aol.com wrote:
>Hi Gang:
>
>Guess I'll jump in and add a bit to this thread:
>
>The pressures listed in the owner's manual for any bike are for the Original
>Equipment tires only (for the PC that means K555 Dunlops). If you replace
>the OE tires with another brand, type and/or size, you should contact the
>tire manufacturer for the recommended pressures for their tires on your bike.
> Both Dunlop and Metzeler have customer service lines for that purpose, and I
>assume that the other manufacturers do as well.
>
>A call to Dunlop yields the following for the PC running K177s:
>
> Front, 33 psig; Rear, 41 psig for all weights up to the maximum.
>
>Note: these are the same as for the K555s for "up to maximum weight capacity"
>as listed in the owner's/service manual.
>
>A similar call to Metzeler yields the following for the PC running an ML2
>front and an ML2+ rear:
> 200 lb load Max Load
>
> Front, 36 psig 38 psig
> Rear, 44 psig 46 psig
>
>FWIW: the max cold pressure printed on the tire is valid only if you are
>running at the tire's (not the motorcycle's) maximum rated load, which
>normally is way beyond the GVWR for the motorcycle. However, if you are
>going to err, it is always safer to run at a higher pressure than is actually
>required rather than lower. As has been pointed out by others, running at a
>higher-than-required pressure can result in increased center-tread wear and
>probably a harsher ride. But running at lower-than-required pressure results
>in excessive heating which leads to both rapid tire wear and a high potential
>for catastrophic failure. Proper tire pressure is the single-most-important
>maintenance and preride-check item for a motorcycle. Check it often!
>
>JT
>
>
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 21:34:03 -0500 (CDT)
From: greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers)
Subject: Re: PC800: I did the spline dance!!!!!
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Rocky wrote:
>
I wish I would have had a blow by blow like this that I am writing here
to tell me to avoid that. Perhaps you can keep this and it will help
you one day...
I would, based on my discovery of the grease there in ample supply, not
recommend this until the normal interval in the manual.
Thank you, Rocky. I'm glad to be able to stop worrying about this, as
there was no time to do it and my mechanical aptitude is dubious at
best. I'll save your memo. Thanks again.
Greg Chambers
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 20:54:57 -0700
Subject: Re: PC800: traffic lights
From: timmacy@juno.com (Timothy B Macy)
On Mon, 7 Jul 1997 07:11:33 -0500 mike.larson@juno.com (Mike Larson)
writes:
>Saw an ad in this months American Motorcyclist for a company called
Signalmatic. >They make a device that allows traffic lights to recognize
motorcycles. I sat thru a >couple of lights this weekend until a car
finally activated the light. Has anyone had >any experience with The
Signalmatic or know what it costs?
Funny you should ask, Mike! I had a meeting with Don Johnson, President
of Signalmatic International, a couple of weeks ago. He gave me a full
(and very technical) explanation of how it works. The full system is
$129.95, and you can get more info or order it from:
Signalmatic International, Inc.
PO Box 399
Stillman Valley, IL 61084
(815) 645-8210
(815) 645-2740 FAX
Web Site: www.nim-inc.com/signalmatic
I see you're on Juno, which doesn't support attachments, but if you have
another browser available I can scan his full-sheet ad for you thru my
NetCom account. Offer stands for anyone else! And, no, I don't get a cut
for the plug! :-}}
One of the guys at Don's shop has the Signalmatic set up on his Harley,
and he says it works every time (Don said it has been extensively tested
to activate any and all traffic signals).
OBTW, if you're ever in the Rockford, IL, area, stop in Stillman Valley.
It was a tiny little place with very friendly folks. Very impressed!
Tim
Portland, OR
'94 PC800--57,575 Miles and Riding
"Live every day to the fullest, because it's not stated anywhere that
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:21:43 -0700 (PDT)
To: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux)
From: "Frederic K. Misumi"
Subject: Re: PC800: miles and more
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Well, folks:
I've been doing some research myself and here's whom I've talked to so far:
1) Every tire distributor in this month's Cycle World magazine - the one
with the rave reviews of the BMW sport touring bike, and a little ditty
about how the ST1100 is a fantastic bike, but not as great as the BMW
2) Every Honda dealer in Western Washington
Here's what I've been asking them:
"What does the manufacturer say about the tire pressure on the Metzler tires?"
Here's what they say:
"I don't know, but hold on while I check"
Here's what they find:
"Wow! It says here that 49psi is the recommended tire pressure! Most of my
tires usually say 42 psi max."
Here's what else they're asked:
1) "Why would this specific tire have such a high maximum recommended
pressure level?"
2) "Would such a high number indicate a higher performance level of the tire?"
3) "What, in general, can you say about tires that have higher than average
recommended tire pressures? For example, would high tire pressures usually
indicate that it's more suited for sport riding?"
4) "Would you ever ignore the tire manufacturer's specifications and why?"
5) "Could this be a printing error?"
Their typical response:
1) "I don't know"
2) "No. I would not because many of our sport bike tires are 35 psi tires".
3) They quote a 10% cold/hot tire pressure differential: If the tire
pressure changes by over 10% after driving hard on an initially cold tire,
then the tire pressure is at an un-ideal pressure.
4) "Never."
5) "It's possible, I suppose."
Well. This is just the kind of scientific research that I am doing on my
tires. I'm just as curious as you all are about the tires until I can get a
hold of a Metzler manufacturer's rep. If I were some fat and lazy slob I'd
just sit here and babble about how much I think I might know about tires
without doing any of the pre-requisite research. So, until one of us
actually has some hard evidence by the manufacturer, we're all just speculating.
But, here are the facts:
1) My Metzler tires have printed on them 49 psi @ 800 lbs cold
2) A large percentage of tire dealers have the same numbers printed on
their tires -- so far, in my research, this percentage is 100% of a sample
base of 24 dealers around the country
3) 100% of these 24 dealers are not aware of any recalls
So, in summary, we're just going to have to find an official Metzeler
publication in order to straighten some ruffled feathers out there. Please
feel free to find one and scan it into a page before I do, people!
Personally, I just get more excited about what I learn about this neato bike
I've just gotten. As I've already posted before, this is my first bike, my
first 2000 miles, and my first research project, and I'm just too darned
excited about it. One of it's greatest points about it is that it quietly
attracts a lot of attention. It's like a ghost floating down the country
roads or the Interstate system. All of the motorcycle magazines have at
least a blurb of a sentence comparing the ST100 with the BMWs or the Ducatis
-- which, therefore, would make the curious educated reader look further at
the entire Honda line and discover the PC.
I've got a trailer hitch on the rear, a large windshield, and the shiniest
undercarriage I have ever seen on a vehicle. It's in such pristine
condition that I have had a few fleeting moments where I considered
cancelling my 50-state tour, or even writing another check for a Gold Wing
just for the trip.
Then I have to remind myself that this bike was bought because initial
research had revealed to me that it is the best low-maintenance touring bike
in existence. I was appalled to discover that a friend of mine sold her's
because she and her husband wanted to get a Silver Wing ... (it's a 1983 or
something).
Oh, and one more note on tire pressure. Anybody ever hear about a car tire
that has 42 psi stamped on it? Har! I have them on my sedan which I've
taken through Montana at 115 mph. Now at what tire pressure do you think
these Z-rated tires are at?
- Fred
At 11:04 AM 7/7/97 EDT, Rocky E Rocheux wrote:
>NO I am not kidding. Here is what my owner's manual says (now I was not
>too lazy to go in the garage at this point and get it):
>Front cold pressure 33PSI
>Rear cold pressure, 33 psi with less than 200 lbs of added weight
>If you go over 200 lbs it is 41.
>
>Far cry from what, 59 lbs??Now! It does not say anything about that this
>is tire brand specific. I have never heard of anything in all my 59
>years that stated anything like, this only applies to Dunlop and not
>Metzeler(not spelled Metzler) or applies to Goodyear but not Firestone
>except on Saturdays and Sundays with Kelley Springfield tires. Just
>trying to be light. I don't know where you got the idea that it depends
>on the brand of tire.
>
>Now as to the comparison---forgive me for not being more clear--I am not
>comparing trailer tires to motorcycle tires. What I was comparing was the
>1-act of following pressure recommendations on the side of the tire
>versus 2-following recommendations in the motor vehicle owner's manual.
>
>One of the values of this net is to help each other by expressing
>knowledge and opinions. If you want to put all that air in your tire you
>are free to do so, but,moi, I follow the vehicle mfr's recommendations,
>period. I really think that those recommendation the tire are the
>maximums for that tire as I recall reading MAX along with those pressures
>on tires over the yrs. Good luck.
>
>On Sun, 6 Jul 1997 22:05:47 -0700 (PDT) "Frederic K. Misumi"
> writes:
>>You gotta be kidding. Trailer tires have much lower tolerances and
>>they're
>>cheaper. You're comparing apples with tomatos. The owners manual
>>doesn't
>>refer to the Metzlers on the bike. There's a rumor that the
>>manufacturer
>>puts Dunlops on them, and that they don't publish specifications for
>>anything but what they put on the bike when it leaves the factory.
>>
>>- Fred
>>
>>At 10:32 PM 7/6/97 EDT, Rocky E Rocheux wrote:
>>>I would be afraid of that pressure (49lbs). I had some trailer tires
>>that
>>>said 60 lbs max and blew one to bits at 65MPH. Then I read the book
>>that
>>>came with the trailer and it was 35 lbs. I had my antique Indian on
>>the
>>>trlr and almost had a heart attack. Luckily I had a spare trlr tire.
>>
>>>Egads, don't go by what the tire says, go by the motorcycle owner's
>>>manual. The tire mfr does not know the load of the bike or its
>>handling
>>>characteristics. Forgive me if I am out of line, but I feel very
>>>strongly about this.
>>>On Sun, 6 Jul 1997 07:38:02 -0700 (PDT) "Frederic K. Misumi"
>>> writes:
>>>>The instructions are printed on the tire. "49 psi @ maximum 800 lbs
>>
>>>>cold"
>>>>
>>>>At 01:58 AM 7/6/97 -0800, you wrote:
>>>>>fred...
>>>>>
>>>>>who recommended setting your ML2's at 49 psi????
>>>>>
>>>>>I was told by the guy at the shop where I bought them that it
>>should
>>>>be 38
>>>>>front, 42 rear for a single rider (me) of 170 lbs...
>>>>>
>>>>>curiousity.....
>>>>>--
>>>>>
>>>>>Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, AKC
>>>>>http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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>>
>
>
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Subject: PC800: wrong splines
From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 22:20:53 EDT
I erased a msg by mistake. I think it was Juan Goula who asked if I
checked the drive shaft splines. No I did not.
I just made a dunce hat and will wear it for a long time.*
Ess Aitch Eye Tee! I am so embarassed I want to unsubscribe. I can't
face the group. Oh woe is me! No, I will stay on and eat humble crow!
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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 21:48:48 -0700
From: Phil Lewis
To: Timothy B Macy
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: traffic lights
Timothy B Macy wrote:
The full system is
> $129.95,
You know, I feel that we are all a little discriminated against, because
a public system has been put into effect that, sometimes at least,
doesn't work with our transportation choice.
A simple solution to this problem is to: let us proceed through the
intersection, if it is safe to do so, and if we have waited a
"reasonable" period of time for the light to respond. I do a fair
amount of driving in New York, and I have found that the left turn
lanes' light signals are much better than my home area of California.
The driver faces a green light, instead of a green arrow, and may
proceed when the traffic allows. After the green light has run its
required time, a left green arrow illuminates, allowing for a protected
left turn. In California, it's left green arrow or nothing! I have had
to often disregard the red arrow and make my left turn when I considered
it safe. So far, I have not had to answer to the authorities, but I'm
sure my day will come when I'll have to explain my decision to proceed
against a red light/arrow.
In any event, I don't feel that I should have to pay about $130 for a
public system that doesn't work.
Sorry, I guess I might be overreacting a little, but sometimes I get
annoyed at things that are forced upon us and then don't work like there
supposed to!!
I guess I'll try stopping and restarting the engine, as was suggested.
Thanks for putting up with my "tirade!"
Phil
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Tue, 8 Jul 1997 02:26:02 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 02:26:02 -0400 (EDT)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Kenwood Stereo for PC800
After trying a couple of stereo options that have not worked out very well,
I've decided to remove the Kenwood stereo from my '87 Helix and install it in
my '94 PC800. As far as I can tell, it is the exact same unit.
What I'm trying to locate is an owner's manual, installation guide, wiring
diagram or something to make my job easier. Hopefully, someone out there has
documentation that can either be mailed or faxed to me. Also, any
suggestions about speakers? I plan on using a template to drill out the
exisiting dash, unless someone has a used dash panel (with speaker holes)
that they want to sell.
Finally, what type of 2-way radios are being used by the group. I'm also
looking at getting one but do not want to invest in a piece of junk with
marginal performance.
Hopefully someone can come to my rescue!
Cliff Alexander
Redlands, CA
'94 PC800, 18K and rolling!
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Tue, 8 Jul 1997 08:42:33 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 08:42:33 -0400 (EDT)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: oil level?
Hi Yu Seung:
It is generally better to be just a bit underfilled than to be overfilled;
so, I think you've done well by draining out the excess.
I have no personal experience with Slick 50, but every magazine test I've
ever read says that the stuff does absolutely nothing over and above what
good, clean motor oils do. They proclaim it a waste of money.
JT
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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:59:36 -0400
From: "Randall R. Foster"
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: 89 parts for sale
I have an 89 PC (wrecked) which I will be parting out soon. All the
plastic is more or less history but the the frame, wheels, drive train,
etc. is fine.
All inquiries by direct e-mail please
rrfoster@bluenet.net
Randall
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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 09:28:19 -0400
From: Roger Prince
To: pohys@singnet.com.sg
Cc: PC800 Mail List
Subject: Re: PC800: oil level?
I believe the manual calls for 3.2QT, not 3.2liters. At 1.06l/qt that
figures out to 3.392qt. .2qt = ~200ml.
Roger
Poh Yu Seung wrote:
>
> Hi gang,
>
> here's a question for those with an eye for the details. I put in 3.2
> litres of oil just like the manual says, but the dip stick is at least
> 5mm (1/4 in) above the high mark.
>
> When I take out approx 100 ml and then the level (according to the dip
> stick) looks fine. So which is the right way to set the oil level?
>
> BTW, I got equal number of yeas and nays to the Slick 50 question and
> haven't experienced any clutch slippage so I'll leave it in there till
> the next change. will keep all informed on any changes in oil.
>
> Yu Seung from Singapore
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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 07:49:00 -0700
From: "Bruce Modlin"
Subject: PC800: How to buy a bike over the Net
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
I have been trying to find a used st1100 with abs and then sell my pc.
I have gotten many inquires over the net, which makes me wonder if
there is a protocal for buying and selling bikes over the internet.
How can you make an offer on a bike you haven't seen or driven or
"kicked the tires"?. Yet if you don't make a firm offer, or a deposit
how can you hold the bike untill you can travel to it?
I have always used common sense and honesty in selling and buying
cars, mc in the past through private sale, never give up the title
untill the check clears, but how does one do this long distance?
Kind of hard to be in a bargining mode when you have to travel to see
the bike, do you make a firm offer then try to talk them down once you
see the bike? Seems dishonest to me. What if somebody does that to
you when you want to sell? Please enlighten me.
Bruce
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 10:32:16 EST
From: James Hyder
Subject: Re: PC800: request for information
** Reply to note from David Drake Sat, 05 Jul 1997 16:27:21 -0600
> I am considering buying an '89 pearl white PC 800 with only 6,000 miles for
> $4000.00. It includes a radio, back rest, full face helmet, and a cover.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I would *never* buy or use a used
helmet. A helmet's effectiveness can be compromised by even a moderate
impact that doesn't leave a scar. So even if the seller says the helmet was
never in an accident, it may not be safe.
I would only use a helmet that had been in my own hands for its entire life,
and even then would replace it after five or six years, whether it had
received an impact or not.
--James Hyder
Columbia, MD USA
'89 PC800, bought new in '91, 27K+ miles
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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 22:44:31 +0800
From: Poh Yu Seung
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: oil level revised
Right, seems like I missed writing down some details (my fault)
so here goes again. I changed my oil filter,and put in new engine oil.
The total volume of oil put in was 3.2 litres (refering to page 97 of
owner's manual). Out of which, 2.7 litres is Esso 100% synthetic and
0.5 litres is Slick 50.
So I run the bike for a couple of days and then check the oil level
while the engine is stopped but still warm. Unscrew, clean and dip in
without turning the stick, I find the oil level is about 1/4 inch above
the max. Do I have too much oil in there?
The question is, should I follow the dip stick or should I follow the
manual?
Thanks for the advice, gang. Yu Seung
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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 22:43:44 +0800
From: Poh Yu Seung
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: New trunk
Hi everyone,
received my spare parts on Friday and installed a new trunk, tail light
and left side panel on Sunday morning. Took the entire trunk off the
bike, leaving the shocks exposed and a really funny looking rear end.
Wish I had my camera to post the shot on the web page.
Total time to change the three pieces, 4 hours as it included
transplanting the old indicators and subframe onto the new trunk. Am
going to claim all this from the guy who bashed into my tail in January,
so I decided to buy new plastic instead of epoxying it back together.
Surprising thing was that I only needed a 5mm allen key, a philips
screwdriver, a no.10 ring spanner and a 8mm allen key. That's all for
such a major job! Wow! Talk about serviceman friendly.....
Yu Seung from Singapore (no more '95 Black and Busted)
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Tue, 8 Jul 1997 11:11:08 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 11:11:08 -0400 (EDT)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Trip Report
Hi All:
This was supposed to be a report on our summer ride in, through, and around
western Wyoming, southern Idaho and northern Utah. The plan: trailer the
PCs to Rock Springs, Wyoming; ride a loop through the aforementioned regions
back to Rock Springs; then trailer the bikes back to Tennessess. Nice plan,
but . . . .
We got as far as Offutt Air Force Base near Omaha on schedule. However, as
we were on our way to the gas station prior to leaving Offutt, the trailer
hitch fell out of the van onto the street. Yep! It ripped right out of the
frame. It seems that the U-Haul guys who installed it decided that the
mounting bolts didn't really need any of the big washers or load-distributing
plates that came with the hitch. We're going to have a chat about that
really soon. Fortunately for us (and U-Haul's lawyers), this all happened
when were going about 5 mph as we slowed for a stop sign. Had it happend at
highway speed, this whole story would be a lot more grim.
Anyway, since it was Sunday morning, we figured that there was no way to get
the hitch reinstalled we were faced with the choice of leaving the van and
trailer and pressing on with the bikes or leaving the bikes and trailer and
pressing on in the van. Diane decided that the latter option was the one she
needed (she's not really up to really long rides any more). So, our bike
trip was history before it even got started.
We pressed on in the van, but Sunday was not to be a good day. About 20
miles short of Sidney, NE, the van's transmission decided to stop
transmitting. The best it would do was to pull forward at idle. So we idled
at 5 to 8 mph the 20 miles to Sidney where a Chrysler dealer was alleged to
be. We got there about 9:30 that night, and found that there was indeed a
dealer.
We were at the dealer's front door the next morning, and after some brief
trouble shooting, he told us the transaxle would have to be replaced. He
loaned us a van, and we pressed onward after a day's delay to make sure he
couldn't get the parts right away.
We dropped off some of our planned itinerary and completed the rest of the
trip in the loaner. Had a great time and saw lots of neat stuff. We
collected the van on the way back through Sidney, had the hitch reinstalled
in Omaha, retrieved the trailer and bikes from Offutt, and motored home
without further incident.
And that's how we spend out summer vacation. Maybe our next trip (to Boone,
NC at the end of this month) will work out as planned. This time we are
going to leave the van and trailer home; the PCs will get their summer outing
albeit a bit shorter than they were told to expect.
Thanks for listening to my sad tale.
JT
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 11:27:31 EST
From: James Hyder
Subject: Re: PC800: oil level revised
** Reply to note from Poh Yu Seung Tue, 08 Jul 1997 22:44:31 +0800
> So I run the bike for a couple of days and then check the oil level while
> the engine is stopped but still warm. Unscrew, clean and dip in without
> turning the stick, I find the oil level is about 1/4 inch above the max. Do
> I have too much oil in there?
>
> The question is, should I follow the dip stick or should I follow the
> manual?
IMHO, follow the dipstick. The manual indicates the total capacity of the
engine, but you never get every last drop of the old oil out when you're
changing it: there's always some left. The dipstick is not theoretical.
Of course, make sure you're checking the dipstick while the bike is on its
center stand on *level* ground.
--James Hyder
Columbia, MD USA
'89 PC800, bought new in '91, 27K+ miles
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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 09:09:35 -0800
From: Rick Blunden
To: bruce.modlin@firstdatacorp.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: How to buy a bike over the Net -Reply
Bruce - I have bought a used leather jacket and a used VX800 saddle off the
net, and today the movers are coming to take our 95 Honda Magna from Davis, CA
to its new owner in Flagstaff, AZ - another net transaction. I have had
nothing but good luck and have met great people. I think honesty is
everything, and everything is negotiable. The Magna buyer sent me a cashier's
check, but I am the one who is unhappy because he has deprived me of the
pleasure of seeing him walk around the bike saying, "Holy ****, is this bike
nice!" over and over. I would not be comfortable buying a used bike without
seeing and riding it, and an owner is under no obligation to hold a bike for
you if s/he has other people interested. If you make an offer, honor it. If
someone tries to beat you down, you can always smile and say, "No thank you."
Have fun. Rick Blunden - Davis, CA
----------------------------------
"Bruce Modlin" wrote: (snip)... which makes me
wonder if there is a protocal for buying and selling bikes over the internet.
How can you make an offer on a bike you haven't seen or driven or "kicked
the tires"?. Yet if you don't make a firm offer, or a deposit how can you hold
the bike untill you can travel to it?
I have always used common sense and honesty in selling and buying cars, mc in
the past through private sale, never give up the title untill the check clears,
but how does one do this long distance?
Kind of hard to be in a bargining mode when you have to travel to see the bike,
do you make a firm offer then try to talk them down once you see the bike?
Seems dishonest to me. What if somebody does that to you when you want to
sell? Please enlighten me. Bruce
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From: TedJ101@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 12:27:01 -0400 (EDT)
To: fredm@disciples.com, rocheux@juno.com
cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: miles and more
In a message dated 97-07-08 08:42:10 EDT, fredm@disciples.com (Frederic K.
Misumi) writes:
<< So, in summary, we're just going to have to find an official Metzeler
publication in order to straighten some ruffled feathers out there. Please
feel free to find one and scan it into a page before I do, people! >>
You''ve already seen one. Steve Lythgoe at Sharples Tires developed a
database for all the major tire manufacturers except Bridgestone (who refused
to cooperate). The figures that he gave in the message that he posted are
the official Metzeler figures -- he is an official Metzeler source (in fact,
as I recall, he now sells his database to tire dealers through some of the
factories).
Regards,
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From: "Michael Aguilar"
To: ,
Subject: Re: PC800: tire pressure controversy
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 23:26:59 -0700
JT (and to all others that are interested),
I totally agree with your findings. I've had both good and bad experience
with Metzeler. After buying the first generation ML2s (without the Plus)
and having them start to go flat in the middle, I contacted Metzeler
several years ago. They told me that they were having a problem with the
ML2s, primarily with Goldwings, were the owners were under inflating the
tires, causing them to overheat and blowout.
At the time he asked me what I was running for pressure, I told him 34/36
(f/r), within the owners manual recommended range. His answer was that I
was way too low and that I needed to go up to, at least 38/46. I asked him
how would one know to run these pressures if it is not posted on the tire
and that it was not within the range in the manual. He told me that
whoever I bought the tire from should have known and that their general
rule was that rear tires should be 3 to 4 psi below the max and fronts
should be 5 to 6 psi below the max. I really didn't like his answer, but I
couldn't complain with the feel of the bike when I pumped them up to his
recommended pressures.
I don't agree with those who say to go by the owners manual, since I feel
that those figures only apply to the OEM tires. Every tire manufacture has
their own little twist on how they construct and/or develop the compounds
that make up their tire. Consequently, this affects the pressure at which
the tires are designed to run at, which can vary from what the manual calls
for on the OEM tires. The PC has generally gone unchanged since its
introduction and reintroduction, no change in rim diameter or width, or
suspension. The ML2s and the 177s were not even around when the bike first
came out. These tires are a generation better than the old 155s.
I am currently running a ML2 in front and an ML2 Plus in the rear with
40/47. I happen to live near one of Metzeler's representatives, who covers
the southwestern portion of the US, Bill Walsh, Murrietta CA. He
recommended the rear pressure and recommended something higher for the
front (42psi), but I just couldn't bring myself to go that high. The tires
seem to be wearing fine but there still pretty new (less than 2k miles).
Just thought I would throw my hat into the tire ring.
Mike A.
aggie@alphainfo.com
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> From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com
> To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
> Subject: Re: PC800: tire pressure controversy
> Date: Monday, July 07, 1997 10:58 AM
>
> Hi Gang:
>
> Guess I'll jump in and add a bit to this thread:
>
> The pressures listed in the owner's manual for any bike are for the
Original
> Equipment tires only (for the PC that means K555 Dunlops). If you
replace
> the OE tires with another brand, type and/or size, you should contact the
> tire manufacturer for the recommended pressures for their tires on your
bike.
> Both Dunlop and Metzeler have customer service lines for that purpose,
and I
> assume that the other manufacturers do as well.
>
> A call to Dunlop yields the following for the PC running K177s:
>
> Front, 33 psig; Rear, 41 psig for all weights up to the maximum.
>
> Note: these are the same as for the K555s for "up to maximum weight
capacity"
> as listed in the owner's/service manual.
>
> A similar call to Metzeler yields the following for the PC running an ML2
> front and an ML2+ rear:
> 200 lb load Max Load
>
> Front, 36 psig 38 psig
> Rear, 44 psig 46 psig
>
> FWIW: the max cold pressure printed on the tire is valid only if you are
> running at the tire's (not the motorcycle's) maximum rated load, which
> normally is way beyond the GVWR for the motorcycle. However, if you are
> going to err, it is always safer to run at a higher pressure than is
actually
> required rather than lower. As has been pointed out by others, running
at a
> higher-than-required pressure can result in increased center-tread wear
and
> probably a harsher ride. But running at lower-than-required pressure
results
> in excessive heating which leads to both rapid tire wear and a high
potential
> for catastrophic failure. Proper tire pressure is the
single-most-important
> maintenance and preride-check item for a motorcycle. Check it often!
>
> JT
>
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From: mskrocki@meldrum.com
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 97 11:26:11 est
To: "Bruce Modlin" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: How to buy a bike over the Net
Hi Bruce,
Earlier this year, I was in the market for a motorcycle, so I to turned to the
internet. I was on a quest for a specific bike at the time (bmw) and had a
specific amount to spend. What I found was that belonging to mailing list like
this one are invaluable.
First, if you really have your heart set on an ST1100, I would join the ST1100
mailing list, this might yield some potential motorcycle candidates. And is also
a good source for general knowledge on the bike your looking to purchase. The
URL is:
http://www.xyz.com/st1100/index.html
This web site has the procedures to subscribe to the list as well as other
information and a FAQ.
When you find a motorcycle that sounds interesting, try to find a list member in
the vicinity of the potential purchase. I did this in my bmw quest, someone from
the pc800 list looked at bike for me in Kansas City, MO, I live outside
Cleveland, OH. The individual gave the bikes a good going over, and gave me an
impartial (remember they're not buying, so there is less chance of becoming
emotionally attached to the potential purchase), technical report on the bikes
conditions. Also, see if the seller has photos that they can provide for you (I
was provided photos of the bmw's by the seller, FedEx'd to me overnight).
As far as pricing, I would get the asking price of the bike, and if there is any
room for negotaition, or is it a firm price. I would not negotiate on the price
until I was face to face with the seller. Also decide how you intend to have the
bike delivered, shiping an uncrated motorcycle is in the $400 to $500 range.
Hope this helps, it's just my little experience shopping the internet for
motorcycles.
And if your curious, I did not by a motorcycle through the internet. I
eventually decided to purchase a bike locally.
Enjoy the ride.
Mark Skrocki
Sandra & Mark Skrocki
89 PC800 "Jackson" hers / 85 VF1100S "Almighty Aphrodite" his
Shaker Hts., OH
mskrocki@meldrum.com
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From: TedJ101@aol.com
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Tue, 8 Jul 1997 16:28:32 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 16:28:32 -0400 (EDT)
To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net, timmacy@juno.com
cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: traffic lights
In a message dated 97-07-08 09:29:06 EDT, PILEWIS1@concentric.net (Phil
Lewis) writes:
<< I have had
to often disregard the red arrow and make my left turn when I considered
it safe. So far, I have not had to answer to the authorities, but I'm
sure my day will come when I'll have to explain my decision to proceed
against a red light/arrow. >>
Actually, you shouldn't have too much difficulty if you can persuade them
that the light would not "sense" you. When you think about it, under those
circumstances the traffic signal is not working. You can hardly be expected
to obey a traffic signal that is not functioning so you have a pretty decent
defense at the least...
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 16:50:47 -0400 (EDT)
To: jhyder@erols.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: request for information
In a message dated 97-07-08 14:34:06 EDT, jhyder@erols.com (James Hyder)
writes:
<< I don't know about the rest of you, but I would *never* buy or use a used
helmet. A helmet's effectiveness can be compromised by even a moderate
impact that doesn't leave a scar. So even if the seller says the helmet was
never in an accident, it may not be safe. >>
Well, I have to agree with you. That's good advice!
Regards,
<>
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From: Bryce Ulrich
To: "'Bruce Modlin'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: RE: PC800: How to buy a bike over the Net
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 16:12:29 -0700
Hi Bruce,
I purchased an ST three months ago via the Internet. I'm in Seattle and
the bike was in Tulsa. I relied on trust and the general reputation of
"club members", in this case the HSTA (Honda Sport Touring Association).
The seller was also an early member of STOC (low STOC number) so figured
that added further to his credibility. I knew I had the option of having
someone local go by and check out the bike but his HSTA credentials were
enough for me. He created some "intent to buy" papers which I signed
and returned with a cashiers check for deposit.
In the end, he trailered the bike to Phoenix where I flew in to complete
the deal and ride home. Other than a few photos he mailed me, I had
never seen the bike nor had I ever actually spoke with the seller -
everything was fax or email. Heck he was trusting me in much the same
way to show up on time with the money in hand after driving for hundreds
of milts. When I arrived on a Friday evening everything was perfect and
exactly as I had expected. We went over the bike together and spoke for
hours afterwards talking riding and the specifics of an ST. At 6am the
next morning I took off and by late Sunday evening and 1600 miles later
I arrived home. The bike was perfect and never once was I worried.
On last thing helped me to relax - it's a HONDA!!! Sight unseen I new I
could depend on a Honda to keep running. A few folks thought I was nuts
to fly ride home on a bike I'd never seen but I kept telling 'em it's
hard to mess up a Honda enough that it won't get you home. Sure enough I
was right.
BTW: My ST is named "Trust" for all these reasons.
-bryceu
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Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558
Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft, Redmond, WA
AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140/STOC 478
'89 Honda PC800 "Pearl",
'95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T"
'96 Honda ST1100 ALT "Trust"
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 17:03:37 -0700 (PDT)
To: TedJ101@aol.com, jhyder@erols.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Frederic K. Misumi"
Subject: Re: PC800: request for information
Ditto.
Fred
At 04:50 PM 7/8/97 -0400, TedJ101@aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 97-07-08 14:34:06 EDT, jhyder@erols.com (James Hyder)
>writes:
>
><< I don't know about the rest of you, but I would *never* buy or use a used
> helmet. A helmet's effectiveness can be compromised by even a moderate
> impact that doesn't leave a scar. So even if the seller says the helmet was
> never in an accident, it may not be safe. >>
>
>
>Well, I have to agree with you. That's good advice!
>
>Regards,
> <>
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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 17:11:05 -0700
From: Alan Taylor
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Traffic signals.
Dear group,
The loop detectors used in most areas, (some still have sonar units)
work on a balanced impedance system. A tone is sent through a coil of
wire in the pavement, and the strength is measured at the control box.
Changes in the strength of the signal trigger the signal.
In simplified terms, when a vehicle with high ferrous content enters the
field around the coil, the circuit tries to make the vehicle part of the
circuit, which changes it's impedance, and the strength of the signal.
During installation, the circuit is tested and adjusted by driving one
of the contractors trucks over the loop. Real high tech.
Any device that alters the impedance of the circuit will trigger the
light. though i haven't gotten around to experimenting, a coil of wire
terminated in a capacitor should work, and the whole thing could be
covered in epoxy or silicone caulk and mounted under the cowl at the
radiator. It shouldn't have to be more than a half inch thick, probably
less.
Those Ham Radio Operators in our audience who have wisely chosen the
PC800, might like to play around with this and post designs.
Alan Taylor, KA2WIJ
95 PC800 "Midnight"
Long Beach, CA
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 16:53:26 -0700 (PDT)
To: "Bruce Modlin" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Frederic K. Misumi"
Subject: Re: PC800: How to buy a bike over the Net
You are experiencing the unique market of the used PC. Here's a short story
on how I got my bike if you've got the patience:
Friday before Memorial Day:
I was perusing the Internet for the PC800, which I had been researching for
a few weeks by then. There was only one advertisement that was near me in a
city that's perhaps 50 miles south of me for a Pearl White with a trailer
hitch, cover, and an tall windshield with 20K on it. I printed it, and
chucked the printout to the side.
Sunday before Memorial Day:
I call the guy up, not seriously wanting to buy the bike, but wanting to
take a close look at it because I had never seen one up close. I'm the
first guy to inquire about it, so we made a date for the next morning in the
parking lot of a Safeway near him. All I was looking to see was if the bike
looked as if it had been used a lot or not.
Monday, Memorial Day:
We meet, the bike has the shiniest and the cleanest undercarriage of any
vehicle I had ever seen. And when the prior owner started to wipe the dust
off of the sides after he came floating in on the ghost machine and parked
it, I already knew that the bike was not abused. Before we left, I wrote
him a check for $50 -- telling him to keep it and I don't want it back, but
in return, I wanted him to call me about any serious offers he gets during
the week. Also, I wanted him to hold off on selling the bike at all until I
could have a local Honda guy look at it.
Tuesday after Memorial Day:
The earliest appointment I could make was for Friday. However, all of the
local Honda mechanics are in agreement about the sturdiness of the bike
because they had all made comments to the effect: "You want me to check out
an 89 PC with 20,000 miles on it? Sure, I'll do it, but I don't think we'll
need to as long as it sounds OK."
The following Saturday:
We meet at a local DOT office to register the bike in my name. While
waiting in line he tells me that he had gotten offers to buy the bike unseen
for more money from people in the neighboring states, as far as three states
away. One guy wanted to ride the bike back to his home state which is three
states away.
To close:
I saw the ad on Friday, discarded it until Sunday and became the first
potential buyer to see the bike (or even talk to the seller) on Monday. The
seller had placed the ad with a local ad company that distributes those
$1.50 Motorcycle Seller pamphlets seen at 7-11 stores. The ad company said
that his ad will appear in the following issue which is slated to be in all
the stores by Tuesday, the day after Memorial Day. Now the advertising
company puts all of their ads on the Internet as soon as they have a paying
customer -- regardless of which issue they publish the ad in!!!
In otherwords, I was the first 'serious' potential buyer of the bike to see
the ad in all of seven states and the nearest province in Canada because I
had done my due diligence in research. And, as the ad's response had
revealed to us (the buyer and the seller), we seem to have an enormous
demand for the ghost bike of 89!
- Fred
At 07:49 AM 7/8/97 -0700, Bruce Modlin wrote:
>
> I have been trying to find a used st1100 with abs and then sell my pc.
> I have gotten many inquires over the net, which makes me wonder if
> there is a protocal for buying and selling bikes over the internet.
>
> How can you make an offer on a bike you haven't seen or driven or
> "kicked the tires"?. Yet if you don't make a firm offer, or a deposit
> how can you hold the bike untill you can travel to it?
>
> I have always used common sense and honesty in selling and buying
> cars, mc in the past through private sale, never give up the title
> untill the check clears, but how does one do this long distance?
>
> Kind of hard to be in a bargining mode when you have to travel to see
> the bike, do you make a firm offer then try to talk them down once you
> see the bike? Seems dishonest to me. What if somebody does that to
> you when you want to sell? Please enlighten me.
>
> Bruce
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From: frankc@nap62.nap-wc.usace.army.mil
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 21:20:20 -0400 (EDT)
To: pc800list
Subject: PC800: Stealth Edging
I was skeptical about there effectiveness, but I was getting so annoyed
about the wind buffeting my head, I tried Saeng's Stealth Edging. Gosh,
it works great! No more noise! I just came back from a short, summer
evenings ride that was just soooo pleasant! Played some tunes on my
radio, and I could even hear the quiet purr of the engine. At $10 a foot
(I bought 3 feet), it solved a problem and I am very happy!
_______________________________________
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From: "Michael S. Keller"
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 20:26:41 +0000
Subject: PC800: Greetings
Reply-to: green@null.net
(If this came through already, sorry. My mail host appeared to
reject the SMTP session.)
Today I sold my Aspencade ('93).
Today I bought a PC ('90). It had 20K miles on it. The same dealer has
an '89 available. Green Country Honda in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma has an
'89 as well. If anyone wants a phone number for either, let me know. I
don't have prices.
Now there are two '90 PCs in the garage. I can show my face in public
when riding in the same area as my wife.
It needs a taller windshield. I had to ride it over 100 miles
(Oklahoma City to Tulsa) to get it home and suffered at speeds above
45 mph. Hers came with the tall Honda shield, so I didn't have much
experience with the shorter model.
-Michael [Ham: N5RDV (ex: AB5EL)]
green@null.net http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/5602/
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 20:42:36 -0500 (CDT)
From: greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers)
Subject: Re: PC800: wrong splines
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Rocky wrote:
>
>I just made a dunce hat and will wear it for a long time.*
Rocky -
How could you have made such a stupid mistake! BTW, I hereby retract
my congratulations and thanks, which I sent after reading about your
job in detail and failing to note your mistake. Did I mention my lack
of mechanical aptitude? I guess I'll start worrying again and go find
another dunce hat.
Greg Chambers
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 20:54:08 -0500 (CDT)
From: greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers)
Subject: Re: PC800: Trip Report
To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
You wrote:
>
>Hi All:
>
>This was supposed to be a report on our summer ride in, through, and
around western Wyoming, southern Idaho and northern Utah....
>
>Thanks for listening to my sad tale.
>
>JT
Bummer!! But it sounds like you had a good time. Remind me someday to
tell you about the 15 days my family spent living in our camper in the
Boulder, MT city park after I melted the axle of our pickup by driving
with the emergency brake on (while 15 yrs old with a learner's permit).
Better yet, have my father tell you...his version takes less
explanation time and is far more direct.
Greg Chambers
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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 22:29:56 -0400
From: Richard Stafford
To: "Juan A. Goula"
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: I did the spline dance!!!!!
Juan A. Goula wrote:
>
> >Now I will go put everything away and work out on the weights to fight
> >the aging process. I'd rather be riding. Thank you to those who sent
> >suggestions and encouragement. Love and kisses and raspberries.
>
> I hate to do this to you Rocky, but... While you did all this work, did you
> check the _drive shaft_ splines? I thought those were the ones that were
> found dry. Just a thought, don't kill the messenger. Rocky, Rocky!
> aughhhh!.... ;-)
>
> BTW, I grease the final drive splines everytime I change tires (that would
> be twice so far) and have always found them with plenty of grease left. I
> have yet to check the driveshaft splines, but will, soon.
>
> Juan
>
> "We few, we happy few, we band of PC Riders"
> -- With apologies to William
> Shakespeare
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800
> School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '91 Suzuki VX800
> University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat
> (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------J
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I changed my u-joint at 88,114 and both ends of it was still lubed
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 23:16:34 -0400
From: Joe Beresford
Subject: PC800: StarRvw
To: Honda Sport Touring Association ,
PC800 List
Hey you know I just got my StarRvw...and guess what I am so happy I made=
my goal, it's really cool to be in a picture that's in the Star at least
once a year...but it's even cooler if your in the pic thats on the front
page!!!!!!
That's me second from the left!!!!!-with white shoei in hand hunkering do=
wn
so Deba could lean on me..... I feel so happy tonight!!! that made my
day!...think I'll go ride! =
Missed y'all- hope STAR 97 was fun afe and fufilling....some of us have t=
o
work to make up for the past 2-3 years of taking4 -5 week sumer
vacations.....so I take four day weekends and work 3 day weeks...grin
Fireman Joe
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From: ThZander@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 06:46:32 -0400 (EDT)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Year??
Hi folks over there!
I'm not sure about the year of production of my pc. Is there a place on the
bike, where I can find information about that? The papers say it's build in
1992, but it is an imported bike, so it may be an '91 model.
Maybe there are some hints?
Thomas Zander 10kmiles
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From: "Klim, Gary (Exchange)"
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "'ThZander@aol.com'"
Subject: RE: PC800: Year??
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 04:15:50 -0700
There's a label on the steering neck that has the model and model year
and actual date of manufacture. I haven't actually looked to see if it
is easily visible. Hope this is of some help.
Gary E. Klim
MFG. ENG.
gklim@harman.com
garyklim@snet.net
(860)346-0896 Ext. 343
>I'm not sure about the year of production of my pc. Is there a
place on >the
>bike, where I can find information about that?
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Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 07:23:15 -0400
From: "Randall R. Foster"
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Wrecked 89 PC parts
To people who have responded looking for parts:
I will not have bike home until next week. I have stored all your
requests for parts and will respond privately when I find out the
condition of particular parts you are looking for.
Thanks for your interest
Randall Foster
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Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 07:49:49 -0400
From: Roger Prince
To: "Klim, Gary (Exchange)"
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "'ThZander@aol.com'"
Subject: Re: PC800: Year??
Klim, Gary (Exchange) wrote:
> There's a label on the steering neck that has the model and model year
>
> and actual date of manufacture. I haven't actually looked to see if it
>
> is easily visible. Hope this is of some help.
>
> Gary E. Klim
> MFG. ENG.
> gklim@harman.com
> garyklim@snet.net
> (860)346-0896 Ext. 343
>
> >I'm not sure about the year of production of my pc. Is there
> a
> place on >the
> >bike, where I can find information about that?
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Actually, it's on the frame just above the radiator. Have to turn the
wheel. Gives date of manufacture and model year and location. At least
on US models.
Roger
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From: "Bob Ray"
To:
Subject: PC800: Big Lights
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 07:29:32 -0500
Does anyone have any experience installing big bulbs (130/90
or higher) on a PC800? I'm about to install a PIAA 130/90 ceramic
base H4 in a PC800 (next week). I suspect I'll need to rewire and
add a relay, but am not sure...
Bob Ray
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 09:18:46 -0400 (EDT)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Year??
Hi all:
Thomas Zander writes:
<< I'm not sure about the year of production of my pc. Is there a place on
the
bike, where I can find information about that? >>
Thomas,
I may be wrong about this (If so, I'm sure others on the list will correct
me), but I believe you can determine the year of manufacture from the frame
number/VIN that is stamped into the right side of the steering head. This
"number" should be a 17-character code of the form JH2RC3408?M??????, where
the question marks are variable. The character following the 3408 and
preceding the M should be a letter that designates the year of manufacture.
For the '89 it is a K; for the '90 it is an L; and so forth. Therefore, if
yours is a '91, the letter should be an M; if it is a '92, the letter should
be an N.
A simpler alternative to reading the number off of the frame may be to look
inside the cover for the fuel filler and trunk release. On US models at
least, there is a label on the underside of the cover that gives the model
designation, paint color codes, etc. The model designation is given as
PC800K, PC800L, etc. The final letter is the same as the year-designation
letter described in the previous paragraph.
I hope this helps.
JT
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 09:31:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Barre Bull
To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com
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Subject: Re: PC800: Year??
You can also find the year-letter designation on the inside of the cover
for the gas filler tube/trunk release/idle adjustment compartment.
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On Wed, 9 Jul 1997 JTSMCRIDER@aol.com wrote:
> Hi all:
>
> Thomas Zander writes:
> << I'm not sure about the year of production of my pc. Is there a place on
> the
> bike, where I can find information about that? >>
>
> Thomas,
>
> I may be wrong about this (If so, I'm sure others on the list will correct
> me), but I believe you can determine the year of manufacture from the frame
> number/VIN that is stamped into the right side of the steering head. This
> "number" should be a 17-character code of the form JH2RC3408?M??????, where
> the question marks are variable. The character following the 3408 and
> preceding the M should be a letter that designates the year of manufacture.
> For the '89 it is a K; for the '90 it is an L; and so forth. Therefore, if
> yours is a '91, the letter should be an M; if it is a '92, the letter should
> be an N.
>
> A simpler alternative to reading the number off of the frame may be to look
> inside the cover for the fuel filler and trunk release. On US models at
> least, there is a label on the underside of the cover that gives the model
> designation, paint color codes, etc. The model designation is given as
> PC800K, PC800L, etc. The final letter is the same as the year-designation
> letter described in the previous paragraph.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> JT
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From: "Michael Keller"
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Greetings
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 08:31:53 PDT
Agreed, from all I have read. I do not want to get one until I replace
the saddle. Ruby (my wife) plans to get a Corbin saddle for hers. After
I see how comfortable I find it, I will then choose whether to get a
replacement saddle. After that, I will get the windscreen.
Since the Corbin saddle changes ride height, I don't want to get a
windscreen first.
>I strongly suggest the Rifle Wind Screen over the Honda.
>
>Bernie
>
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 09:52:44 -0800 (AKDT)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula"
Subject: PC800: spline dance!!!!!
At 10:29 PM 7/8/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I changed my u-joint at 88,114 and both ends of it was still lubed
>sufficiently. Dick Stafford
Thanks for the report Dick. I still wonder why Honda did not provide a way
to lube them as a regular service item, like a grease zerke.
Juan
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From: Bryce Ulrich
To: "'Bob Ray'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: RE: PC800: Big Lights
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 15:45:07 -0700
2 concerns about putting high wattage bulbs in: heat melting the wiring
and heat melting the lens.
The wiring and connectors would probably be changed. You will get more
efficiency and safeguard against a failure. Wise move.
However, keep an eye on the lens. Heat really builds up there and
you'll easily be able to feel it with your hand. I've heard stories
from those who've started to melt the lens starting at the central focal
point. Beware.
I use an 80/100 and have for years. I get improved lighting but the
bulbs don't seem to last as long. I'm on my second bulb now and have
logged over 30k miles since the change. Worth it considering the amount
of dark, rainy riding I do on the bike. No melting either though I do
go back and check once in awhile.
-bryceu
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Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft, Redmond, WA
AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140/STOC 478
'89 Honda PC800 "Pearl",
'95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T"
'96 Honda ST1100 ALT "Trust"
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To: greg501@ix.netcom.com
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Subject: Re: PC800: I did the spline dance!!!!!
From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky Rocheux)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 19:21:30 EDT
I did the splines on the wheel and I should have done them on the back
end of the driveshaft. My neighbor spent 30 yrs as a jap bike mechanic
and he says not to worry about those splines as Honda does not do 'half
ass' work.
On Mon, 7 Jul 1997 21:34:03 -0500 (CDT) greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg
Chambers) writes:
>Rocky wrote:
>>
>I wish I would have had a blow by blow like this that I am writing
>here
>to tell me to avoid that. Perhaps you can keep this and it will help
>you one day...
>I would, based on my discovery of the grease there in ample supply,
>not
>recommend this until the normal interval in the manual.
>
>Thank you, Rocky. I'm glad to be able to stop worrying about this, as
>
>there was no time to do it and my mechanical aptitude is dubious at
>best. I'll save your memo. Thanks again.
>
>Greg Chambers
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Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 19:40:30 -0400
From: "Gary E. Klim"
To: Bob Ray
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Big Lights
Bob Ray wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any experience installing big bulbs (130/90
> or higher) on a PC800?
Consider the following before making a decision:
Total alternator capacity: 340 watts
130/90 High beam 130 watts
Instrument and running lights ~30 watts
Fan ~70 watts (educated guess based on 50% of fuse rating)
Fuel pump ~28 watts (stab in the dark guess)
Ignition ~56 watts (yet another guess)
_____________________________
314 watts
Food for thought for those with halogen driving lights, radio, heated
clothing, etc...
gk
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Subject: Re: PC800: Big Lights
From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky Rocheux)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 20:19:51 EDT
Please post your answer to me as well if not for all to see. Thanks.
On Wed, 9 Jul 1997 07:29:32 -0500 "Bob Ray" writes:
>Does anyone have any experience installing big bulbs (130/90
>or higher) on a PC800? I'm about to install a PIAA 130/90 ceramic
>base H4 in a PC800 (next week). I suspect I'll need to rewire and
>add a relay, but am not sure...
>
>Bob Ray
>
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Subject: Re: PC800:
From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky Rocheux)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 20:19:51 EDT
I had written in complaint abt. Honda dlr Coleman Powersport in Falls
Church and Woodbridge VA. Once they dropped brake fluid on my front
fender and denied it. Luckily they did the impossible in getting it out.
Then a few nites ago at the Alexandria VA waterfront see and be seen mini
lineup of bikes at the curb like a micro Daytona/Sturgis I meet a guy
with a late 60s Triumph 750 Bonneville in great shape and in need of
paint and shine. He got it a few mos. ago from a dude who'd had it in
storage. It was lo mileage and verrry original. He had a dent in his
tank. When we asked abt it he said Coleman Powersport did that and then
denied having done it. He was screwed. What with their overcharging for
new and used bikes, $8495 for my 96 PC bcuz I was 2 stupid 2 shop amd
their history of denying damage ----I would advise to stay atleast a
mile away from them in both the sales and svc depts. I have heard of
dlrs telling an owner they damaged his bike and fixed it as well.
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Subject: Re: PC800: Greetings
From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky Rocheux)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 20:19:51 EDT
Y'all talk about the great Corbin. I put this great 13 inch backrest from
Mickeymatt's plan on and my super picky wife with no tush cushion says it
could not be more comfy. I have a 96 with 5K miles and some of the foam
in my seat is wadding up. Corbin and fight installing it? I dunno. I am
going to take my seat (the front part) off and take it to this wonderful
little South American upholsterer and let him repad it and cush it and
widen it and I bet it will be super. He has mtl which duplicates the orig
color but not quite the texture. So like I don't care. Whaddaya say?
l 1997 08:31:53 PDT "Michael Keller" writes:
>Agreed, from all I have read. I do not want to get one until I replace
>
>the saddle. Ruby (my wife) plans to get a Corbin saddle for hers.
>After
>I see how comfortable I find it, I will then choose whether to get a
>replacement saddle. After that, I will get the windscreen.
>
>Since the Corbin saddle changes ride height, I don't want to get a
>windscreen first.
>
>>I strongly suggest the Rifle Wind Screen over the Honda.
>>
>>Bernie
>>
>
>
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From: Jim Randall
To: "'PC800 List'"
Subject: FW: PC800: miles and more
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 20:54:39 -0400
Frederick K. Misumi wrote
According to Cycle World June '89, the weight of the bike is supposed to be:
606 lbs dry
631 lbs Tank Full
988 lbs GVWR
357 lbs load capacity
Yes, but only part of the weight is on the rear wheel....
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 17:21:58 -0800 (AKDT)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula"
Subject: Re: PC800: Big Lights
At 07:29 AM 7/9/97 -0500, Bob Ray wrote:
>Does anyone have any experience installing big bulbs (130/90
>or higher) on a PC800? I'm about to install a PIAA 130/90 ceramic
>base H4 in a PC800 (next week). I suspect I'll need to rewire and
>add a relay, but am not sure...
Bob, at 130 watts you might risk roasting the reflective surface of the
headlamp. Price a new headlamp before you install that bulb and then decide
if you are willing to risk it. I run a 100/60 with no problems (yet), but YMMV.
Juan
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From: "bob peterson"
To: ,
Subject: Re: PC800: Traffic signals.
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 22:08:00 -0400
When I was riding with the local bicycle club this topic came up all of the
time.
Trying to trip traffic sensors while riding a <20# race bike is more
difficult than a PC.
Remember that the trick of the thing is to look bigger than you are to the
sensor.
The wheels of a bicycle and a motorcyle are very effective when lined up
over the top
of one leg of the buried loop, than in the center of the lane, because they
are cut more flux lines.
Sometimes you can see the cut marks for the wire which
makes it easy to lineup your bike and get maximum field absorbtion. If you
pay attention
to the loops you can see you can usually guess where the covered ones are.
However, I have a covered over left turn sensor near my house that will not
trip from the left side of the of the lane but will trip on the right side,
I assume this prevents false tripping by oncoming
traffic .
Bob & Sandy Peterson ; Gainesville, FL
snip................
| From: Alan Taylor
| Any device that alters the impedance of the circuit will trigger the
| light. though i haven't gotten around to experimenting, a coil of wire
| terminated in a capacitor should work, and the whole thing could be
| covered in epoxy or silicone caulk and mounted under the cowl at the
| radiator. It shouldn't have to be more than a half inch thick, probably
| less.
snip...............
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From: Jim Randall
To: "'PC800 List'"
Subject: PC800: tire pressure, etc.
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 21:13:59 -0400
>John Allan wrote
>That's interesting. I have K555s and was running at the handbook's 41 =
rear.
>I have got the centre of the tyre down to 1.5mm whilst the outside area
>is 4mm. This certainly indicates that 41 is too much. However the
>handbook indicates that the back should be higher than the front. The
>Dunlop suggestion is both front and rear the same????
>Doesn't add up!
The tire wearing in the center is not necessarily overinflated. If you =
spend a great deal of time riding banked highways or just plain ride in =
a straight line a lot, the tire WILL wear in the center before the =
edges. In all my years of riding motorcycles (about 40), I can't ever =
recall wearing a tire evenly across the tread. Most likely I don't ride =
aggressively enough to accomplish this feat and I'm guessing you don't =
either.=20
I didn't check the manual but obviously others have. However, the =
pressures recommended by Dunlop (33/33) are the same as those printed on =
the Federally mandated Tire Information label (inside the trunk on my =
'95)=20
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Subject: FW: PC800: oil level?
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 21:48:05 -0400
a bit more on Slick50. I agree that other than the manufacturer's =
advertising, I've never read anything that indicated teflon additives =
work beyond the first oil change.=20
On a more negative note, a year or so ago I decided to try the stuff in =
my Chevrolet Lumina (3.1 liter V-6). The engine had about 40K on it at =
the time and exhibited no problems. I added the the teflon glop and =
drove the car to circulate it as recommended. Guess what? The next =
morning the engine developed a hydraulic lifter "tap" during warmup =
(sounds like only one of them). It has 65K on it now and still has the =
noise until the engine reaches operating temperature. My personal =
opinion is that the additive clogged the lube passages or the lifter =
itself. This COULD be an unrelated fluke but I won't ever put it =
anything else.=20
I've had a number of cars and trucks give me good service well over 100K =
miles. In my opinion the key to long engine life is using good oil, =
changing it often (about 1/2 of the manufacturer's recommended mileage) =
and avoiding high engine loads until the oil is warm.
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Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 1997 8:43 AM
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: oil level?
Hi Yu Seung:
It is generally better to be just a bit underfilled than to be =
overfilled;
so, I think you've done well by draining out the excess.
I have no personal experience with Slick 50, but every magazine test =
I've
ever read says that the stuff does absolutely nothing over and above =
what
good, clean motor oils do. They proclaim it a waste of money.
JT
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Subject: PC800: First PC800 trip for my wife
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 23:05:58 -0400
Enjoyed a successful first "long" tour with my wife Nancy on the PC this =
week. We've done a lot of day rides but never really "gone anywhere" =
before. This was her first actual trip on a motorcycle. We needed to =
travel down to Birmingham, AL to attend a funeral. Not the best of =
circumstances of course, and we had to be there the next day but when =
she threw out the idea of going on the bike to make the trip more =
interesting, I jumped on it "like a duck on a junebug" to use a good ole =
TN expression.=20
After about a half dozen, are you sures?, I proceeded to pack the bike. =
Packing dress clothes for the funeral was an interesting experience. I =
had read here earlier about someone using "packing boards" so I made my =
own from an old cardboard box. I just loosely wrapped my suit and =
Nancy's dress around the cardboard, put the whole thing in plastic bag =
and placed it on one side of the PC's trunk being careful not to =
compress the clothing too much. It worked great; our clothes looked like =
they'd been on a hanger the whole time.=20
Using my standard approach we avoided interstates most of the way which =
turned the 360 mile distance into more like 450 each way. We left =
Kingsport about 2 PM on Sunday and meandered down and across TN pretty =
much along the TN river basin then picked up I-59 in north AL to roll on =
into B'ham in the dark. Good weather, reasonably good roads and only =
about 90 miles of nearly deserted interstate. Attended the funeral on =
Monday (no, even though my '95 is black, I didn't ride it in the funeral =
procession... we "hitched" with relatives).=20
The return trip on Tuesday was really outstanding. We came up through =
north Georgia having lunch in a really neat little historic town called =
Cave Spring. When we crossed over into North Carolina we picked up a =
beautiful parkway which brought us through the Nantahala Gorge =
(whitewater country). We crossed from NC into TN on the Smoky Mtn =
Parkway (Cherokee, NC to Gatlinburg, TN). It was a beautiful sunny day =
with a temp of about 85 (except in the mountains when we were actually a =
little cool). The Smoky Mtn Parkway is outstanding but on this day as is =
usual in the summer, it was pretty congested. You really can't do any =
serious riding but the sightseeing is fine! Gatlinburg is like a =
carnival on steroids. Talk about tourists.........
The PC was heavily loaded but performed beautifully. One of the neat =
things about this machine is that at any speed above walking, the =
passenger seems to have very little effect on handling or performance. I =
weigh about 200 lbs, Nance is about 135 and we had around 40 lbs of gear =
packed in the trunk. I maxed the tire pressures (33/41) and set the rear =
shock in the next to the highest notch and we only bottomed once on a =
rough railroad crossing. We saw lots of other people touring on bikes =
and, of course, they all looked like they we touring because of all the =
gear hanging on their motorcycles. Since all our stuff was in the trunk, =
we just looked like we were crusin'. =20
Except for the fact that we went down there for a funeral it was a great =
trip! The best part is she liked it! We decided that 450 miles per day =
is little long for us and will probably plan future trips to be more =
like 350 but Nance was extremely complementary of the comfort level =
provided for the passenger and says the trip gave her confidence that =
she can ride anywhere we can get to in a day. We ready to go somewhere =
again soon.
Jim Randall
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From: Jim Randall
To: "'ThZander@aol.com'"
Cc: "'PC800 List'"
Subject: RE: PC800: Year??
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 22:15:26 -0400
Look into the radiator cowl between the faring and the front fender. =
Just over the radiator is your Vehicle Identification Number label. It =
will show the production year.
Jim Randall
jrandall@tricon.net
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From: ThZander@aol.com [SMTP:ThZander@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 1997 6:47 AM
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Year??
Hi folks over there!
I'm not sure about the year of production of my pc. Is there a place on =
the
bike, where I can find information about that? The papers say it's build =
in
1992, but it is an imported bike, so it may be an '91 model.=20
Maybe there are some hints?
Thomas Zander 10kmiles
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 97 02:04:42 UT
From: "John Louk"
To: "Pacific Coasters"
Subject: PC800: Rifle Shield(s), what else?
OK, OK, I know you've all been through this before. I lost all the info and
I'm not currently a subscriber here because I am modulator/demodulator
challenged....I'm running a 14.4Kbps (so I can buy a new shield system for my
red '90 PC 800L). Having said all that, I'm about exactly 6 feet tall, have
an urgent need for the right sized Rifle system (20/22/24?) to keep from
getting buffeted. Before you respond, know that I once had a tall Honda
windshield which burned my dash in two places (photos upon request) and I'm
currently running the SAENG stealth edging & top winglet with less than
whelming results. Lots of buffeting on my Shoei RF700.
I do recall a spectacular dialog last fall about the Rifle. Can someone of
you neat folks clue me in on the right size? If I go with Rifle's info, the
tall Honda shield was equivalent to the Rifle 24" system. I trust owners more
than advertising hype. I will certainly appreciate your assistance so I can
ride to the Honda Homecoming in quiet air!
P.S. Anyone else see Tim & Nan Macy lately? They make it back to Portland OK?
John Louk
Carmel, IN
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 23:07:39 -0500 (CDT)
From: greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers)
Subject: Re: PC800: Rifle Shield(s), what else?
To: "John Louk"
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
John Louk wrote:
>
>I'm about exactly 6 feet tall, have an urgent need for the right sized
>Rifle system (20/22/24?) to keep from getting buffeted.
I'm exactly 6', wih a 30" inseam, and I look over the top of a 27"
Rifle (that's 22" plus 5", the mid-size one). I'm also getting a lot
of buffeting, and wonder if I should have gotten the 29" and/or some
Stealth Edging.
>I'm currently running the SAENG stealth edging & top winglet with less
>than whelming results. Lots of buffeting on my Shoei RF700.
How high does the edging go. Do you think it would help me? Is the
"top winglet" something different?
Thanks.
Greg Chambers
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From: JeffHamltn@aol.com
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Thu, 10 Jul 1997 00:49:37 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 00:49:37 -0400 (EDT)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800: Re: Tires
My 2.
I think that the reason the ML2's are labeled with "49 psi at 800 lbs cold"
is partly (entirely?) due to the fact that the vehicle that model tire is
designed for is a Goldwing (and similar huge dressers). For simplicity's
sake, I'll bet they just label all the tires the same, regardless of their
size and actual bike application.
When I had them on my PC, I usually ran them at about 33 front and
38 rear solo and 35 front 49 rear two up. Never had any problems,
had longer life than the 555's. I've never installed the 177's, I may try
them once the 555's I have on now are shot.
Good riding.
Jeff
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To: johnnytech@msn.com
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 02:11:01 -0700
Subject: Re: PC800: Rifle Shield(s), what else?
From: chargerblue@juno.com (Samuel Davis III)
Johnny,
As I've learned there is much more to this than just giving out your
height.
read this:
) Though he's 6'3",
he looked through my 24" Rifle 'shield about 2" below the top. I'm only
6' tall and I see over the top by about 1-2". Thoracic height makes a
difference.
That was from a trip report that I went on with another PC owner.
My height as I've learned comes from my long legs while my friend Stephen
has that thoracic thing going on. Look at how your build is and go from
there.
He has that 24" and I was looking right through the shield. It felt kind
of weird.
Some people like to look over the shield and others through. Some don't
care at all you have just got to know what you want.
Sammy D
The San Diego Chargers, my Honda Pacific Coast and little if any
humidity.
Southern California............................, what a great place to
live!!!
On Thu, 10 Jul 97 02:04:42 UT "John Louk" writes:
>OK, OK, I know you've all been through this before. I lost all the
>info and
>I'm not currently a subscriber here because I am modulator/demodulator
>
>challenged....I'm running a 14.4Kbps (so I can buy a new shield system
>for my
>red '90 PC 800L). Having said all that, I'm about exactly 6 feet
>tall, have
>an urgent need for the right sized Rifle system (20/22/24?) to keep
>from
>getting buffeted. Before you respond, know that I once had a tall
>Honda
>windshield which burned my dash in two places (photos upon request)
>and I'm
>currently running the SAENG stealth edging & top winglet with less
>than
>whelming results. Lots of buffeting on my Shoei RF700.
>
>I do recall a spectacular dialog last fall about the Rifle. Can
>someone of
>you neat folks clue me in on the right size? If I go with Rifle's
>info, the
>tall Honda shield was equivalent to the Rifle 24" system. I trust
>owners more
>than advertising hype. I will certainly appreciate your assistance so
>I can
>ride to the Honda Homecoming in quiet air!
>
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Thu, 10 Jul 1997 09:01:53 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 09:01:53 -0400 (EDT)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: I did the spline dance!!!!!
Hey Rocky:
In a message dated 97-07-10 02:34:36 EDT, you write:
<< My neighbor spent 30 yrs as a jap bike mechanic and he says not to worry
about those splines as Honda does not do 'half ass' work. >>
Generally true, but they did on my '89. The splines were as dry as a bone.
JT
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:25:54 -0400
From: Roger Prince
To: PC800 Mail List
Subject: PC800: '97 PC800
> Subject:
> PC800: Pacific Coast Review Articles
> Date:
> Wed, 25 Jun 1997 05:19:54 -0700
> From:
> "Stephen A. Churchill"
> To:
> pc800@hpc.uh.edu
>
>
> Check out the July issue of Motorcycle Consumer News for the review of
> the '97 PC and a 25k long term test. Bottom line:
> reliablereliablereliable, poor power to weight ratio, and they hate the
> stock windshield. Oh, and they liked the trunk. The term uninspiring
> also came up but that's because the best feature of a PC grows on you
> and they didn't have it long enough. The best feature? IMHO, you can
> ride it forever, comfortably and consistently. It's always ready to go.
On the way home from STAR I stopped at Competition Accessories store in
OH. I looked over a '97PC inside and spoke to an owner in the parking
lot who had traded an '89 for a '97. He had put less than 400mi on the
'97. He said the '89 seat was much more comfortable than '97. The '97
seat coverings looks like cheap vinyl with NO seams, all one piece. Is
that cheap seat on the '96? The seat size is still the same.
As Juan previously noted, the black plastic bottom is flat black,
unpainted. The '96 had a nice paint job that made it look like carbon
fiber.
The left side plastic chrome cover by the center-stand lever that
covered the exhaust collector has been deleted. Don't know what that
exhaust system will look like after 20k miles. Rust color isn't pretty.
I suspect that many other detailed items have been deleted or cheapened.
Cycle Design still has a new luxury model on the floor, a brand new '96.
Roger
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:32:59 -0400
From: Roger Prince
To: VR2XVI
Cc: PC800 Mail List
Subject: PC800: Re: Cycle Design's offer
VR2XVI wrote:
>
> Hi Roger!
>
> I'm going to order a Rifle shield from Cycle Design, I recalled that you
> had a post to the PC800 list that they have the color match one's in
> stock, wonder if you could help. And what you have to do is just spare
> 5 minutes for me and check.
>
> Rather than calling long distance from Hong Kong, I would be very much
> appreciated if you could call Cycle Design for a quick check: if they
> have a '90 Candy Red base, with 25" shield in stock, the offer (20% off?
> Can't recall), and the contact person.
>
> Thanks in advanced!
>
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Philips
I live in Franklin, off I495 10mi north of I95.
I just spoke with Doug at Cycle Design. He has (3) red bases and 20",
22", 24" screens in both clear and tinted in stock. Price is still 20%
off MSRP.
No problem shipping to Hong Kong.
Good luck.
Roger
Is 25" model the base plus a 20" screen?
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From: TedJ101@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 13:01:00 -0400 (EDT)
To: n5rdv@hotmail.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Greetings
In a message dated 97-07-09 19:37:10 EDT, n5rdv@hotmail.com (Michael Keller)
writes:
<< Since the Corbin saddle changes ride height, I don't want to get a
windscreen first. >>
First, ride height is a technical term on a motorcycle and a Corbin seat
won't change it (it refers to the height at which the suspension is attached
to the bike -- you can change it at the front by moving the forks in the
triple clamp, for example). Second, don't expect the Corbin to move you down
as much as their ads would imply. The seat is 1 1/2 inches lower as it sits
on the showroom floor. That does not mean that your head will be 1 1/2
inches lower when you sit on the bike after installing the Corbin seat. The
stock seat is very soft and compresses at least an inch when you sit on it.
The Corbin seat is VERY firm and may compress 1/4 inch or so. I would doubt
that, as a practical matter, you are more than 1/2 inch lower when sitting on
a Corbin than on the stock seat.
Regards,
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From: TedJ101@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 13:01:10 -0400 (EDT)
To: greg501@ix.netcom.com, johnnytech@msn.com
cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Rifle Shield(s), what else?
In a message dated 97-07-10 08:38:52 EDT, greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg
Chambers) writes:
<< I'm exactly 6', wih a 30" inseam, and I look over the top of a 27"
Rifle (that's 22" plus 5", the mid-size one). I'm also getting a lot
of buffeting, and wonder if I should have gotten the 29" and/or some
Stealth Edging. >>
Well, it won't be too expensive for you to find out. You can get the taller
top part of the shield for about $75 as I recall -- maybe less at one of the
dealers offering discounts to list members...
Regards,
<>
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From: "Michael Keller"
To: TedJ101@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: Greetings
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:29:38 PDT
Ruby wants the shorter windscreen for now (she is shorter than I), so I
plan to trade them Saturday. That will give me the tall Hondaline
shield. She wants the Corbin saddle anyway, so we'll get it for her.
That will give me relative comfort during the interim.
><< Since the Corbin saddle changes ride height, I don't want to get a
> windscreen first. >>
>
>First, ride height is a technical term on a motorcycle and a Corbin
seat
>won't change it (it refers to the height at which the suspension is
attached
>to the bike -- you can change it at the front by moving the forks in
the
>triple clamp, for example). Second, don't expect the Corbin to move
you down
>as much as their ads would imply. The seat is 1 1/2 inches lower as it
sits
>on the showroom floor. That does not mean that your head will be 1 1/2
>inches lower when you sit on the bike after installing the Corbin seat.
The
>stock seat is very soft and compresses at least an inch when you sit on
it.
> The Corbin seat is VERY firm and may compress 1/4 inch or so. I would
doubt
>that, as a practical matter, you are more than 1/2 inch lower when
sitting on
>a Corbin than on the stock seat.
>
>Regards,
>
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Subject: Re: PC800: I did the spline dance!!!!!
From: rocheux@juno.com (Rocky E Rocheux)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 17:59:16 EDT
Does anyone have any experience with this on a 96??????
On Thu, 10 Jul 1997 09:01:53 -0400 (EDT) JTSMCRIDER@aol.com writes:
>Hey Rocky:
>
>In a message dated 97-07-10 02:34:36 EDT, you write:
>
><< My neighbor spent 30 yrs as a jap bike mechanic and he says not to
>worry
>about those splines as Honda does not do 'half ass' work. >>
>
>Generally true, but they did on my '89. The splines were as dry as a
>bone.
>
>JT
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 14:18:26 -0700
From: "Spain, Harrison"
Subject: PC800: Need some help purchasing tires and a windscreen
To: "'PC800 Mailing List'"
Cc: "Spain, Harrison"
I would love to get a couple of Maxons but priorities dictate tires
and a new windscreen first :-).
I've been shopping around and find that the K555s run about $112.95
for the front and $132.95 for the rear. Not to open up a lot of
discussion :-) but is this a good price and are the K555s the right
way to go? The mail order houses seem to want to push the K177 tires
which are cheaper but (as I recall) these had the 1989 PC800 trunk
rubbing problem.
I'm also looking for the tall Hondaline windscreen. I know everyone
likes the Rifle but I think I'll stick with the Hondaline and protect
it carefully this time with a T-shirt (thanks for the tip Johan!) :-).
They want $234.15 (both shops I checked). Is this the best price one
can get for the Hondaline tall?
Many thanks for any help!
Harrison
* Harrison Spain - EDS Unigraphics GTAC
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 19:26:14 -0400
From: "Gary E. Klim"
To: roger@etgn14.webo.dg.com
CC: PC800 Mail List
Subject: Re: PC800: '97 PC800
Roger Prince wrote:
> Is
> that cheap seat on the '96?
No.
> The left side plastic chrome cover by the center-stand lever that
> covered the exhaust collector has been deleted.
I always thought that was the one thing that was out of place on the PC.
Took mine off within the first week. Unless you're a hunch-back you
really don't see the exhaust canister, which still has all of its' gray
paint intact. The PC doesn't need a faux muffler just for the sake of
symmetry.
> Don't know what that
> exhaust system will look like after 20k miles.
Think of what the radiator will look like without the protection of the
"wing style" fender of '96 and earlier. I added the optional mud flap
which means that only the occasional bug gets trapped in the radiator.
I've gotten so spoiled with the ease of cleaning the PC that the only
logical choice for a second bike would have to be a Helix 250. (Took a
test drive on a '94 last week - very fun machine)
gk
________________________________________________________________________
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gklim@harman.com
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 19:32:58 -0400
From: "Gary E. Klim"
To: "Spain, Harrison"
CC: "'PC800 Mailing List'"
Subject: Re: PC800: Need some help purchasing tires and a windscreen
Spain, Harrison wrote:
> I'm also looking for the tall Hondaline windscreen. I know everyone
> likes the Rifle but I think I'll stick with the Hondaline and protect
> it carefully this time with a T-shirt (thanks for the tip Johan!) :-).
"Everyone" is rather inclusive, don't ya think? ;-) For my height, the
Honda tall windscreen works perfectly. No buffeting, quiet and I can
ride with the visor of my Arai Signet open, as I look through the
windscreen.
> They want $234.15 (both shops I checked). Is this the best price one
> can get for the Hondaline tall?
I got mine for $190 "OTR". (That's brit-speak for On The Road).
gk
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 19:39:09 -0400
From: "Gary E. Klim"
To: Rocky E Rocheux
CC: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800: I did the spline dance!!!!!
Rocky E Rocheux wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any experience with this on a 96??????
De-ja Vu! I recently posted my findings and tips after having removed
the rear-end/drive shaft on my '96. The rear end side of the drive shaft
splines were well lubed (as they have a seal to prevent loss of moly
grease), but the U-joint end of the shaft did not have much moly grease
on the splines.
Easy job. You'll sleep better at night knowing you have greasy
splines... ;-)
gk
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From: Jim Randall
To: "'John Louk'"