********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 10:50:05 -0400 From: Roger Prince To: PC800 Mail List Subject: PC800: Wanted - Seat Hi, all. Does anybody on the list have a stock seat (both parts) for sale? It must be pre-1996 (Atlantic Gray), in perfect condition, low mileage and reasonably priced. I'd like to know the reason for replacement and what model year it comes from. It's for a '95. Please reply privately. Thanks Roger Prince roger@etgn14.webo.dg.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Thu, 1 May 1997 12:43:29 CDT id KAA25064; Thu, 01 May 1997 10:43:13 -0700 (PDT) 01 May 1997 10:43:13 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 10:43:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Pacific Coast Subject: Re: PC800: WWW PAGE!! To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu I got waylaid too. How about Friday night at 7:00 PDT? >Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 19:19:46 -0800 >From: Dave Gross >To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: PC800: WWW PAGE!! > >hey ho?! Where did everyone go??? Shall we try again for a little >organizational meeting? I got swamped at work and missed a meeting with >Neill...forgive me, oh sire... > >whats up with PC800.org?? > >time to wake up gang....it's too rainy to ride here...whaaa. > >any other Pac NW people going on the governers run on sunday?? >-- > >Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, AKC >http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 09:48:49 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: PC800: 97's At 08:14 PM 4/30/97 -0700, Alan Taylor wrote: >Took a walk through the showroom at Mid City Honda in Lakewood today, >and saw a 97, with a bare wheel. No wheel fairing, disc covers or >anything. Is this the design for 97 or did someone screw up the prep. This is the design for the 97's. Honda felt that if it made the PC look a little bit more mainstream it would sell better and cost less to manufacture. They also left off the self cancelling turn signals. Our loss, on both counts. >The salesmen ventured both opinions. Boy, if that salesman didn't know, he doesn't deserve to be in the business. I'd switch dealers. Juan "We few, we happy few, we band of PC Riders" -- With apologies to William Shakespeare ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '93 ArcticCat Panther DLX University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 16:34:22 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: PC800: Ron Grant Is Here Please refer to "Subject" header. gk -- ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net ________________________________________________________________________ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 12:47:17 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: PC800: New Old Bike At 08:24 AM 4/30/97 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 97-04-30 05:00:46 EDT, vsantamaria@worldnet.att.net >(Vincent Santamaria) writes: > ><< Wonder if the Shadow engine will fit in the PC? Just kidding. >> > >Uhhh, Juan, has the snow melted yet..... You have a kindred spirit. Ha! Yep, the snow is all gone, I've just been to afraid the mosquitoes will carry my bike away if I leave it parked outside! Seriously, we've had great riding weather for the past two weeks (a little nippy, just don't be a wimp)but Iv'e been to darn busy to rouse the PC from its winter slumber. Hopefuly this weekend! As for the Shadow 1100 engine, I was reading that in the development of the VTR1000 (SuperHawk) they used an Africa Twin engine on the test mule and that got me thinking...hmmm... maybe I could - nah, I couldn't, could I? :-) Happy riding everyone! Juan "We few, we happy few, we band of PC Riders" -- With apologies to William Shakespeare ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '93 ArcticCat Panther DLX University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: 97's From: rochambeau@juno.com (Rocky Rochambeau) Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 19:06:51 EDT Read a report on any motorcycle in any motorcycle magazine and you will know more than most slsmen about that bike. Ask them bore and stroke, gas cpy., et for 1/4 mile, how many seconds does it take to go 0-60 mph. I am not talking about a small opn. where the owner is the slsmn, etc. That has been my sad experience. On Thu, 1 May 1997 09:48:49 -0800 (AKDT) "Juan A. Goula" writes: >At 08:14 PM 4/30/97 -0700, Alan Taylor wrote: >>Took a walk through the showroom at Mid City Honda in Lakewood today, >>and saw a 97, with a bare wheel. No wheel fairing, disc covers or >>anything. Is this the design for 97 or did someone screw up the prep. > >This is the design for the 97's. Honda felt that if it made the PC >look a >little bit more mainstream it would sell better and cost less to >manufacture. >They also left off the self cancelling turn signals. Our loss, on >both counts. > >>The salesmen ventured both opinions. > >Boy, if that salesman didn't know, he doesn't deserve to be in the >business. >I'd switch dealers. > >Juan >"We few, we happy few, we band of PC Riders" > -- With apologies to William >Shakespeare >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 >School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '93 ArcticCat Panther DLX >University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI >MountainCat >(907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ >HSTA # 4995RG >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'Gary Kissinger'" , PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: PC800 rear suspension. Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 16:34:33 -0700 Works Performance makes the only rear shock on the market today for a PC800.. It's non-adjustable and is set per your riding weight and style at the factory. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft, Redmond, WA AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140/STOC 478 '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" '96 Honda ST1100 ALT ---------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Gary Kissinger [SMTP:MililaniGary@msn.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 5:05 PM To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: PC800 rear suspension. Hi folks! I'm new at this web stuff, but......I have a 1990 PC800 and I would like to know about any aftermarket rear suspension available. My address: MILILANIGARY@msn.com Thanks! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "pohys" To: "Greg Chambers" Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: aftermath of trip Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 09:53:57 +0800 Hi greg, I know our bikes can take as low as 86 octane, so I'm already using the lowest available octane fuel intown (92). Thanks for the tip and I'll kill keep trying other remedies. Yu Seung from Singapore -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "pohys" To: Cc: Subject: Re: PC800: aftermath of trip Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 09:53:50 +0800 Hi JT, changed my engine oil yesterday and here are my observations The magnetic plug at the bottom of the sump had a pinch of metal filings, the Mobil 1 oil was pitch black only after 4000 miles. (Strange....) So I put in Esso 4T Gold (100% synthetic) and cleaned out the filings at the plug. Just for the last few trips, gear change seems alot smoother, especially when coasting to a stop light and you have to click to first gear from fifth. Perhaps my riding conditions / style play a part. I use my bike to do my daily rounds to the pharmacies as I do merchandising for rhe Futuro brand of health supports, stuff like knee braces, ankle braces, etc... So it means I geta lot of urban riding and go through two tankfuls of petrol every week. Daily temperatures are between 24 degrees C to 35 degrees C. I guess this translates into lots of stop / start riding with the engine hot most of the time. I assume it will wear down my oil a lot faster so I'll stick to the recommended oil change intervals, even though I'm running synthetics. I'm happy with the Esso 4T Gold so far and will keep the group posted on the long term observations. Yu Seung from Singapore -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 23:22:27 EST From: James Hyder Subject: Re: PC800: tank & helmet > Also, I need to get a new helmet and was thinking about the Bell Pro Star > for ~$150. Any thoughts on that helmet or others? I'd like to stay under > $250. I wore nothing but Bell Helmets from the time I started riding twenty years ago until about five years ago. I was sold on them after seeing a tv show about Evel Kneivel. He was trying to make a jump over a bunch of cars inside a large stadium and was supposed to ride in through one the big entrance portals, up the ramp, over the cars, then down the other ramp out through the opposite portal. At least that was the plan. He missed the ramp on the far side, came off the bike, and instead of sliding out through the portal, went head first into the cinderblock wall about a foot or two from the portal. The cameras were there while he was lying on the ground waiting for the ambulance to get there, and he looked at the new dent in the cinderblock, about six inches in diameter and an inch deep, and then at his helmet. He said, "That's a real testimonial to this helmet." It was a Bell Star. However, some time ago, the Bell company was split into several pieces. As I heard it (and someone here may have more details) there are now three different firms manufacturing Bell Helmets, although they all use the same oval logo. The original U.S. Bell Helmet company that handmade their MC helmets from fiberglas, and from which Evel and I bought helmets all those years ago, now only makes very expensive professional auto racing helmets that are not available in ordinary MC stores. Another branch makes the styrofoam bicycle helmets (I don't know where). The current line of Bell MC helmets is made in Italy. In my opinion they don't hold a candle to the original Bells that I knew and loved. They look like cheap junk, although I think at least some of them are Snell rated. (Whatever you do, make sure any helmet you buy has a Snell rating. It's more expensive, but as they say, how much is your head worth?) For almost six years I have used a Shoei RF200 that I am very happy with, which seems to me to have much of the quality of the old Bells, and is much lighter and quieter than they were. I still have a Bell Star in my closet, with a Snell 80 sticker, but I haven't worn it in years. (Nostalgic sigh.) --James Hyder Columbia, MD USA '89 PC800, bought new in '91, 26K+ miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 21:06:32 -0800 From: Dave Gross To: Pacific Coast Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: WWW PAGE!! actually, I think saturday AM is gonna be better..my dad's in town visiting, work is a bitch..blah blah blah.... -- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, AKC http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) Fri, 2 May 1997 00:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 00:47:50 -0400 (EDT) To: roger@etgn14.webo.dg.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Wanted - Seat In a message dated 97-05-01 13:39:03 EDT, roger@etgn14.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince) writes: << It must be pre-1996 (Atlantic Gray), in perfect condition, low mileage and reasonably priced. >> Well, as long as your being flexible..... Z -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Andre Espaillat" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 07:07:05 +0000 Subject: Re: PC800: tank & helmet Reply-to: moto@flash.net >I wore nothing but Bell Helmets from the time I started riding twenty years ago until about five years ago..... (Whatever you do, make sure any helmet you buy has a Snell rating. It's more expensive, but as they say, how much is your head worth?) =====>FWIW - there is a small cadre of 'experts' who feel that a Snell rated helmet may not be advantageous for the average street rider. It is their opinion that the DOT rated helmet actually absorbs more of the impact at low speeds (~70mph) than a Snell does. However, the Snell is more effective at higher speeds where the impacts are obviously much higher. Personally, I've never tested a DOT only helmet. I've destroyed a few Snells at better than 90 mph though, and I can tell you that they work well at speed. I kan speel most wurds kurrectly mose of da time. ************************************************************* Andre Espaillat - outrace@flash.net - CMRA/WERA 522 1996 WERA Southcentral Reg. Champ - Clubman Novice Out & Out Racing 1510 Randolph St., Suite 103, Carrollton, TX 75006 USA (972) 323-7924 www.flash.net/~outrace Your mind is the most important part of your motorcycle. ************************************************************* -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 09:49:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: Dave Gross cc: Pacific Coast , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: WWW PAGE!! Saturday's not good for me...damn this is getting complicated...I have my final exam for the Motorcycle Safety Instructor course at 9 am. Here's a suggestion...why don't one of the take charge kinda guys on the list who's interested in working on the page just get the ball rolling and let those of us willing to work on it know what they need from us? Barre' Barre' Bull Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us On Thu, 1 May 1997, Dave Gross wrote: > actually, I think saturday AM is gonna be better..my dad's in town > visiting, work is a bitch..blah blah blah.... > -- > > Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, AKC > http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com by emout11.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA00587; Fri, 2 May 1997 10:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 10:05:28 -0400 (EDT) To: pohys@singnet.com.sg, JTSMCRIDER@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: Black Oil Mobil One is an excellent engine cleaner. That is why it is so dark after three or four thousand miles. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 May 97 07:10:30 PST From: "Wanda Bailie" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, moto@flash.net Subject: Re[2]: PC800: tank & helmet I only wear one that has both DOT and Snell rating. Wanda Bailie '95 PC800 "Black Beauty" ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: tank & helmet Author: moto@flash.net at INTERNET-KENTROX Date: 5/2/97 5:00 AM >I wore nothing but Bell Helmets from the time I started riding twenty years ago until about five years ago..... (Whatever you do, make sure any helmet you buy has a Snell rating. It's more expensive, but as they say, how much is your head worth?) =====>FWIW - there is a small cadre of 'experts' who feel that a Snell rated helmet may not be advantageous for the average street rider. It is their opinion that the DOT rated helmet actually absorbs more of the impact at low speeds (~70mph) than a Snell does. However, the Snell is more effective at higher speeds where the impacts are obviously much higher. Personally, I've never tested a DOT only helmet. I've destroyed a few Snells at better than 90 mph though, and I can tell you that they work well at speed. I kan speel most wurds kurrectly mose of da time. ************************************************************* Andre Espaillat - outrace@flash.net - CMRA/WERA 522 1996 WERA Southcentral Reg. Champ - Clubman Novice Out & Out Racing 1510 Randolph St., Suite 103, Carrollton, TX 75006 USA (972) 323-7924 www.flash.net/~outrace Your mind is the most important part of your motorcycle. ************************************************************* -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Pacific Coast" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: WWW PAGE!! Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 08:57:56 PDT OK... here it is.... I'd like anybody interested in the web page to go to: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/1156/pc800.html I have put this up as a prototype for the new structure. While most of it is just a shell, please go to the Registry page and check it out. I have used 2 free net services for a guestbook and a voting booth to create a registry. The result is not exactly what I wanted but I did manage to get it running in an evening. For that, I'm willing to compromise some of my "design requirements". Your comments on the 3 frame structure (table of contents, section contents, detail) and on the registry are appreciated and can be sent to me directly or posted to the list--your choice. >Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 09:49:15 -0400 (EDT) >From: Barre Bull >To: Dave Gross >cc: Pacific Coast , pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Re: PC800: WWW PAGE!! > >Saturday's not good for me...damn this is getting complicated...I have my >final exam for the Motorcycle Safety Instructor course at 9 am. Here's a >suggestion...why don't one of the take charge kinda guys on the list >who's interested in working on the page just get the ball rolling and let >those of us willing to work on it know what they need from us? > >Barre' > >Barre' Bull >Systems Engineer >Information Systems >Prince George's Community College > >http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us > > >On Thu, 1 May 1997, Dave Gross wrote: > >> actually, I think saturday AM is gonna be better..my dad's in town >> visiting, work is a bitch..blah blah blah.... >> -- >> >> Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, AKC >> http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross >> -- >> Visit the PC800 web page at >> To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >> message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >> To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >> >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Pacific Coast" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: WWW PAGE!! Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 08:59:09 PDT OK... here it is.... I'd like anybody interested in the web page to go to: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/1156/pc800.html I have put this up as a prototype for the new structure. While most of it is just a shell, please go to the Registry page and check it out. I have used 2 free net services for a guestbook and a voting booth to create a registry. The result is not exactly what I wanted but I did manage to get it running in an evening. For that, I'm willing to compromise some of my "design requirements". Your comments on the 3 frame structure (table of contents, section contents, detail) and on the registry are appreciated and can be sent to me directly or posted to the list--your choice. With this structure, it will be relatively easy to put up thumbnails of the pictures in the "Pictures" section! >Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 09:49:15 -0400 (EDT) >From: Barre Bull >To: Dave Gross >cc: Pacific Coast , pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Re: PC800: WWW PAGE!! > >Saturday's not good for me...damn this is getting complicated...I have my >final exam for the Motorcycle Safety Instructor course at 9 am. Here's a >suggestion...why don't one of the take charge kinda guys on the list >who's interested in working on the page just get the ball rolling and let >those of us willing to work on it know what they need from us? > >Barre' > >Barre' Bull >Systems Engineer >Information Systems >Prince George's Community College > >http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us > > >On Thu, 1 May 1997, Dave Gross wrote: > >> actually, I think saturday AM is gonna be better..my dad's in town >> visiting, work is a bitch..blah blah blah.... >> -- >> >> Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, AKC >> http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross >> -- >> Visit the PC800 web page at >> To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >> message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >> To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >> >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: wanda_bailie@smtpgw.kentrox.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, moto@flash.net Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 12:09:14 -0700 Subject: Re: Re[2]: PC800: tank & helmet From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy) I wore nothing but Bell Helmets from the time I started riding twenty years ago until about five years ago..... Lady Godiva! Didn't it get chilly sometimes? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 20:53:57 -0800 From: Dave Gross To: mskrocki@meldrum.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: bb1@pgstumail.pg.cc.md.us, tibbs@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: Web page design help? thanks mark! Neill, I'd personally like to stay away from frames, et al, and go for a more graphic based design. I think Marc is really right on track with some of the other pages that he's designed. I'd love to see what kind of art direction he'd like to take our page. marc...send me the info to FTP some files to you!!! -- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, AKC http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 21:04:09 -0800 From: Dave Gross To: Barre Bull Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: WWW PAGE!! I'll try to be online at 9am saturday. http://www.extremeterrain.com:4080 -- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, AKC http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com by emout20.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) Sat, 3 May 1997 00:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 00:40:04 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Helmet Standards Hi All: In a message dated 97-05-02 08:02:41 EDT, Andre wrote: << FWIW - there is a small cadre of 'experts' who feel that a Snell rated helmet may not be advantageous for the average street rider. It is their opinion that the DOT rated helmet actually absorbs more of the impact at low speeds (~70mph) than a Snell does. However, the Snell is more effective at higher speeds where the impacts are obviously much higher. >> The small cadre of experts Andre refers to includes David Thom and Dr. Harry Hurt (both of whom were principal investigators in the now-famous project known loosely as the "Hurt Report"). The "Hurt Report" per se focused on the cause factors in motorcycle accidents, but Hurt's team at USC has been doing ongoing research on helmet effectiveness for many years. Their arguments in favor of a DOT-only helmet in relatively low-speed accidents (that is, a hugh percentage of real-world, street-related collisions) are pretty compelling both from a technical perspective and from their extensive empirical research base of actual injuries from real motorcycle accidents. Of course, the problem is that the big-name helmet manufacturers have had to add Snell certification to their product lines to "keep up with the Joneses" and pander to the popular notion that the Snell standard is somehow superior to the ANSI/DOT standards (based, I suppose, on the more-is-better attitude that dominates our culture). The unfortunate result of this marketing artifact is that if you want a premium-quality, name-brand helmet, you don't have a choice; you get the Snell standard whether it is or is not really the best for the type of riding that you do and the type of accident you are most likely to have. JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: NVXL62A@prodigy.com ( GORDON FRANK HSTA7186RG) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 10:59:40, -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Emergency Light Flasher Anyone install a light flasher yet? 1. I'm having difficulty finding the wires for attachment. 2. Also can't find the "optional' wiring plug that's described in the Honda diagram. Could it have been used already for the trunk lights and not be visible. There's lots of black tape covering things under my seat. The following is a reply from Kriss Industries fyi., >2 questions: > 1. There were no instructions for installing the > supplied wire w/fuse. Where does it go? The supplied fuse holder is to be installed on the red wire at the battery. This is optional but in case of a problem it is good to have. > 2. The on/off switch is not weather protected. What do > you suggest to do to protect if from rain, etc.?? At the low cost of this unit the switch supplied is not completely wheather proof. If you would like a more wheather proof switch feel free to install one. ____ Gordon Frank NVXL62A@Prodigy.Com '96 PC800 Atlanta, Georgia -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: indian@starklite.com, indian@valiant.cds.tek.com Subject: PC800: helmets From: rochambeau@juno.com (Rocky Rochambeau) Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 11:25:47 EDT There has been a lot of talk about helmets on the Honda PC800 e-mail group lately. I would like some opinions if you please. They say to wear a helmet only so long. Innards compress and they begin to smell. Smelliness can be cured by putting a sheet of Downy Fabric Softener inside the helmet before putting it on your dome. But the compressed innards can't be cured. They also say an aged helmet fiberglass deteriorates and they are not safe. I wonder about that. I put fibreglass around some bamboo poles as struts for a quad amateur radio antenna some years ago and it sat up at 70 feet in the worst that the Arizona sun had to offer in Phoenix for a good many years and it did not deteriorate and it was out there where the sun got to it and when it came down I could see it (the fibreglass). It was not covered with a glossy painted overcoat as on a helmet. Consider: Bell will rebuild helmets for Police Departments. Consider: Paying upwards of $250-$500 for one of those casques is in any man's terms a chunk! Question; do you know of anyone who rebuilds helmets for us who ride non-Police motorcycles? Signed, Frugal in Virginia -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 09:02:21 -0800 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: helmets my $.02.... you've only got one head. spend as much as it takes to be fully protected. I NEVER wear anything but a full face helmet..(shoei rf700..) -- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, AKC http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA18257; Sat, 3 May 1997 12:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 12:12:14 -0400 (EDT) To: rochambeau@juno.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu cc: indian@starklite.com, indian@valiant.cds.tek.com Subject: Re: PC800: helmets I have been riding using a Shoei X-9. It is an expensive helmet. It is light, and I think, very comfortable. But, most important, behind a 20" Rifle Windsceen, almost silent. My wife prefers a Shoei RF-200. She claims the X-9 fits to tight for her. She has tried the Shoei 700, but likes the feel of the 200. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve Gross" To: "wl" , "pc800" Subject: PC800: Governor's Run Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 10:11:31 -0700 Anyone want to ride out in the a.m.? Probably leaving Seattle-Bremerton ferry @ 7:40. Pray for sun. Steve Gross - Seattle, WA '90 Pacific Coast "This must be my real life; if it was a test, they'd've given me better instructions." -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (IPAD 1.14) id 2886300 ; Sat, 03 May 97 13:29:38 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 13:30:11 -0400 From: Scot Piper To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Helmet Standards Wow did I ever open up a can of worms on that topic! Thanks for all the helmet comments. Glad everyone takes the time to add their $.02 - really does benefit everyone. Since most of the helmets today have the DOT and Snell approval, it seems more of a choice of comfort and features. I'm also looking for a quiet helmet since I have a low windshield on my Shadow 500. Has anyone seen a helmet that offers a strip of molding around the lower part of the face shield that comes up about 1/4' - 1/2"? I'd think that would make a huge difference in cutting down wind noise by covering up that mating surface between the face shield and the helmet. Just a thought. Here's a new topic. I've been looking around for some riding pants. Since I have very little protection for my legs (especially my knees) on my bike, I'd like to find some riding pants that offer good protection, and some degree of warmth - especially in the knees. I've seen some in the catalogs from $70-$370. Seems like I can get a reasonably decent pair in the $100+ range, and definitely a good pair in the $200 range (which is getting a little steep). Does anyone have riding pants they are happy with and can share info about? Thanks. Scot Piper '84 Shadow 500 17,700 miles "waiting for the rain to stop in mid-MI" ------------------------------------------------ JTSMCRIDER@aol.com wrote: > > Hi All: > > In a message dated 97-05-02 08:02:41 EDT, Andre wrote: > > << FWIW - there is a small cadre of 'experts' who feel that a > Snell rated helmet may not be advantageous for the average street > rider. It is their opinion that the DOT rated helmet actually absorbs more > of the impact at low speeds (~70mph) than a Snell does. However, the Snell > > is more effective at higher speeds where the impacts are obviously > much higher. > >> > > The small cadre of experts Andre refers to includes David Thom and Dr. Harry > Hurt (both of whom were principal investigators in the now-famous project > known loosely as the "Hurt Report"). The "Hurt Report" per se focused on the > cause factors in motorcycle accidents, but Hurt's team at USC has been doing > ongoing research on helmet effectiveness for many years. Their arguments in > favor of a DOT-only helmet in relatively low-speed accidents (that is, a hugh > percentage of real-world, street-related collisions) are pretty compelling > both from a technical perspective and from their extensive empirical research > base of actual injuries from real motorcycle accidents. > > Of course, the problem is that the big-name helmet manufacturers have had to > add Snell certification to their product lines to "keep up with the Joneses" > and pander to the popular notion that the Snell standard is somehow superior > to the ANSI/DOT standards (based, I suppose, on the more-is-better attitude > that dominates our culture). The unfortunate result of this marketing > artifact is that if you want a premium-quality, name-brand helmet, you don't > have a choice; you get the Snell standard whether it is or is not really the > best for the type of riding that you do and the type of accident you are most > likely to have. > > JT > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: Emergency Light Flasher From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 03 May 1997 12:43:32 -0500 Lines: 14 >>>>> "GFH" == GORDON FRANK HSTA7186RG writes: GFH> 2. Also can't find the "optional' wiring plug that's described in the GFH> Honda diagram. Could it have been used already for the trunk lights GFH> and not be visible. There's lots of black tape covering things under GFH> my seat. The Honda trunk light kit does plug into the accessory outlet on the harness, but includes an accessory outlet of its own so you can install both it and the radio. (Or you could, when said radio was still available.) Thus you should still have an outlet back there, assuming that someone hasn't gone and cut it off. - J< -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 11:08:38 -0700 From: PILEWIS1 To: GORDON FRANK HSTA7186RG CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Emergency Light Flasher GORDON FRANK HSTA7186RG wrote: > > Anyone install a light flasher yet? > 1. I'm having difficulty finding the wires for > attachment. Hi Gordon! If you're thinking about having a four-way emergency flasher, I installed one on my '90 PC. It's fairly easy; I just bought a heavy duty 12-volt flasher (any brand will do), and connected it, from the positive side of the battery, through a switch mounted on my dash (you can see this and more stuff on the gizmos page at http://www.concentric.net/~Pilewis1/pcphotos/PCRPHOT4.HTM, or just the individual picture at http://www.concentric.net/~Pilewis1/pcphotos/LABELED.JPG) to the right and left from turn signals. When you connect the switch to the front turn signal wire, it also connects the rear turn signal. When you connect the left turn signal to the switch, there is one small problem. You either have to install an extra switch to separate the connection to the right turn signal (otherwise you'll have all four lights flashing at one time when you try to use your turn signals) or you have to use one four poll switch that connects and disconnects both the left and right wires (lights) at one time. I chose to have a second switch. Now I have the choice of having, either a 4-way flasher, or an alternating left and right flasher. If I didn't explain this very well, maybe someone else can improve on my verbage. I'll try and show a little diagram here: ______ |------switch-----left turn signal -|______|+ --flasher---switch----|-----right turn signal battery I hope I've helped! Phil Lewis So. Cal. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 14:27:27 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: scotp1965@mdn.net CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: PC800: Riding Pants Scot Piper wrote: > Does anyone have riding pants they > are happy with and can share info about? Thanks. Hein Gericke Nevada Touring Pants (Leather). Extremely comfortable and can be worn over "street clothes". I believe the "FirstGear" line is available only through your dealer. gk ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net ________________________________________________________________________ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: dkgross@halcyon.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: helmets From: rochambeau@juno.com (Rocky Rochambeau) Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 19:53:40 EDT I can only assume you were not replying to me. I was not asking what type of helmet one wears. My question was simply this; does anyone know of a rebuilder of helmets. Considering Bell does it for police departments, it is only reasonable to assume it would be a good bet for us non-police bikes. Right> I have 4 nice Shoei helmets. One shorty, on old style and 2 full face, one of which is the old RF something and the last one is one of those newer Shoeis with a bunch of psychidelic lightning bolts. Again, do you know anyone who rebuilds them? On Sat, 03 May 1997 09:02:21 -0800 Dave Gross writes: >my $.02.... > >you've only got one head. spend as much as it takes to be fully >protected. I NEVER wear anything but a full face helmet..(shoei >rf700..) >-- > >Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, AKC >http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: garyklim@snet.net Cc: scotp1965@mdn.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Leather Riding Pants From: rochambeau@juno.com (Rocky Rochambeau) Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 19:53:40 EDT Gary asked about riding pants. After my doc cleared me to go on a motorcycle trip after surgically removing a kidney stone I took off on my bike from Arlington VA on route 50 west. US Hwy 50 winds thru West VA and it is either a curve or mountainous ups and downs surrounded by the verdant and deep Appalachian woods. It is beautiful. I sucked up the sights, sounds and scents of a glorious day. Mindful of Dr.'s orders to drink lots of water to avoid more excruciatingly painful kidneystones, I indeed drank lots of water. So I had to stop frequently to get rid of that water. A couple of times, desperate and with no toilette in sight, I pressed off into the woods to bleed off the hydraulics. That nite I put in a motel just over the WV line in Ohio. After my shower I passed by the mirror in my birthday suit and gasped. There on the rear most part of my rear end was a big red welt about 2.5 inches in diameter. "Oh my gosh," I thought, "I got bit by a tick in while draining in the forest and that is a Lyme disease herald patch!" I freaked. I was very upset and went for another look when I noticed another identical patch on the other side. I began to laugh at myself. Evidently the vibration of the Harley and Lord knows what other factors, plus the rough surface of the leather, had rubbed welts on my derriere even thru my trusty Jockey briefs. Egads. I did not wear those leather pants on that trip anymore and have not since. Maybe now that I have a smooth PC I ought to try them. I got your leather pants! Right here! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RJ1Fox@aol.com by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA25536 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sat, 3 May 1997 21:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 21:18:58 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: more articles on oil Reference June RIDER MAGAZINE for a short article on Spectro motor oil. As an aside, both of my manual transmission Honda cars, an Accord and a Civic, use motor oil as the transmission lubricant! Fox -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 22:40:45 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 02:40:58 +0000 From: BJ Strass To: Pacific Coast Owners Group Subject: PC800: Need owners and shop manual Lucky me, just picked up a well maintained '90 PC w/ 13.5k miles for $2700! Patience pays off. The bike is great but I don't have an owners manual and so far cannot find a listing for a shop manual from Clymer or Haynes. Would anyone be willing to sell me a spare owners manual or sell me photocopies of one. I could also use a lead on getting a shop manual as I typically do my own minor repairs and maintenience. And does anyone have any experience mounting a tank bag on this bike. Obviously magnetic won't work. Also looking for fellow riders in the Sacramento Valley. BJ Strass Sacramento, CA. 90 PC 800 81 CX 500 C -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 22:51:59 -0400 To: scotp1965@mdn.net From: Francois Saint Laurent Subject: Re: PC800: Helmet Standards Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Scot Piper wrote.... > Does anyone have riding pants they >are happy with and can share info about? Thanks. > Hi Scot. I am also looking for a good pair of riding pants, for when jeans just aren't enough. I recently purchased the Darien jacket from Aeorstich. I am very pleased with the quality of this jacket, and am seriously considering the matching pants. They make a regular pair, and a lightweight pair. The jacket was a bit steep in price, as are the pants, but after shopping around I felt that the Darien had a look and feel of quality that many of the others did not. Besides, when sliding down the ashpalt at 60 mph, I don't want to be thinking about how I once saved 50 bucks! bye for now... fsl ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Francois Saint Laurent Borg Consulting Ottawa, Canada fsl@borgconsulting.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ChrisTUBA@aol.com by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA01661 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sat, 3 May 1997 22:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 22:54:31 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Wisconsin PC Ride Hi All! As June steadily approaches, so does the first annual Wisconsin PC Ride. Right now, we're in the planning stages, trying to figure out exactly where to go from three "finalist" options. We have changed the meeting time to 9:30am, Saturday June 28th. This date does not conflict with any AMA or HSTA sanctioned events, although it does happed the weekend after the HSTA rally. I've updated the webpage (http://members.aol.com/christuba/pc800.htm) to reflect the changes. L8r, Chris Russell 1996 Honda PC800 42 days left in the sunny (and hot) Dominican Republic -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) Sun, 4 May 1997 00:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 00:00:28 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Need owners and shop manual Hi BJ: Congratulations on getting a '90 PC for that price. If it is in good shape, you've done very well indeed. You should be able to order both an owner's manual and a maintenence/service manual from Honda through your dealer. Many of us have installed tank bags--everything from a standard three-point strap mounted bag (my particular set up is an Eclipse) to glueing magnets to the underside of the "Tank" to enable the use of magnetic bags. If you search the archives via the web page search engine, you should be able to find details on these and other approaches to securing a tank bag on the PC. JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) Sun, 4 May 1997 00:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 00:00:45 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Emergency Light Flasher Hi Gordon and Phil: I also rigged my own home-brewed flasher set up in a manner similar to that described by Phil. However, instead of a second switch to isolate the flasher from the normal signal circuit, I simply used a pair of diodes. That is, the output of the heavy duty flasher connects to the negative pole of two diodes. The positive pole of one diode goes to the left turn signals; the positive pole of the other diode goes to the right turn signals. When the flasher switch is activated, current flows through both diodes and all four lights flash. When the flasher switch is off, the turn-signal circuit operates normally since the diodes prevent any cross flow between the right and left signals. This works well and is both simple and cheap. JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 21:53:19 -0700 From: PILEWIS1 To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Emergency Light Flasher JTSMCRIDER@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Gordon and Phil: > > I also rigged my own home-brewed flasher set up in a manner similar to that > described by Phil. However, instead of a second switch to isolate the > flasher from the normal signal circuit, I simply used a pair of diodes. I feel so dumb!! We use blocking diodes to control electrical flow in all kinds of different circuits in airplanes! The Boeing 727 electrical system (which I am required to know) has several blocking diodes used to isolate different electrical systems. I guess I just didn't relate it to what I was trying to do!!! Oh Well!!! (of course, because of my oversight, I can imitate a police officer's motorcycle!! If............ I'm feeling really daring and Mischievous!! ;)) Thanks JT Phil -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 22:07:18 -0700 From: PILEWIS1 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: SCPCRC I've finally put our group picture on our web photo-site. For the curious it's http://www.concentric.net/~Pilewis1/pcphotos/PCRPHOTO.HTM. Phil -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sun, 4 May 1997 13:21:00 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: more articles on oil Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 23:24:35 -0400 Not back on earl,are we? ---------- > From: RJ1Fox@aol.com > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: more articles on oil > Date: Saturday, May 03, 1997 9:18 PM > > Reference June RIDER MAGAZINE for a short article on Spectro motor oil. > > As an aside, both of my manual transmission Honda cars, an Accord and a > Civic, use motor oil as the transmission lubricant! > > Fox > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Paul Jacobs" To: , "Rocky Rochambeau" Cc: , Subject: PC800: Re: helmets Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 09:28:01 -0600 Speaking of helmets, First i must say i hate the stupid things, but when i go into a state that has a helmet law, i and my wife purchased one of those cheap, things that sit on top of your head, made in calif. they don't call them helmets but rain hats. I personally don't believe that a helmet can give you that much safety. there was an article in the sacrament paper. that a highway patrol lost his life while riding his m.c.on patrol. they found his head down the road from his body, and never have found his helmet. so much for the safety factor, i am sure you all have stories about how one saved someones head or life. but as far as big brother telling me what to do then it is just another freedom taken away from all of us. ride in montana or wyoming no helmet laws there, and many other states. also. So just ride safe, ---------- > From: Rocky Rochambeau > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Cc: indian@starklite.com; indian@valiant.cds.tek.com > Subject: helmets > Date: Saturday, May 03, 1997 9:25 AM > > There has been a lot of talk about helmets on the Honda PC800 e-mail > group lately. I would like some opinions if you please. > > They say to wear a helmet only so long. Innards compress and they begin > to smell. Smelliness can be cured by putting a sheet of Downy Fabric > Softener inside the helmet > before putting it on your dome. > > But the compressed innards can't be cured. They also say an aged helmet > fiberglass deteriorates and they are not safe. I wonder about that. I > put fibreglass around some bamboo poles as struts for a quad amateur > radio antenna some years ago and it sat up at 70 feet in the worst that > the Arizona sun had to offer in Phoenix for a good many years and it did > not deteriorate and it was out there where the sun got to it and when it > came down I could see it (the fibreglass). It was not covered with a > glossy painted overcoat as on a helmet. > > > Consider: Bell will rebuild helmets for Police Departments. Consider: > Paying upwards of $250-$500 for one of those casques is in any man's > terms a chunk! > > Question; do you know of anyone who rebuilds helmets for us who ride > non-Police motorcycles? > > Signed, Frugal in Virginia > **************************************************************** > * If you wish to ever unsubscribe to this mailing list please * > * follow these directions: 1. Send an email message * > * to:listmanager@starklite.com ; Subject: * > * leave indian (1st line of msg) Thank You and Ride Safe * > **************************************************************** -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 10:16:10 -0600 (MDT) From: Eric York To: Paul Jacobs cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: helmets On Sun, 4 May 1997, Paul Jacobs wrote: > I personally don't believe that a helmet can > give you that much safety. there was an article in the sacrament paper. > that a highway patrol lost his life while riding his m.c.on patrol. they > found his head down the road from his body, and never have found his > helmet. so much for the safety factor, i am sure you all have stories about > how one saved someones head or life. Careful here. I don't wanna make any judgements about whether one should or should not wear a helmet, or whether helmet laws should exist, (how's that for a cop out? ;) However, I do wanna say that statistically, there is NO QUESTION that helmets save lives. Also, full face helmets save more lives than half helmets or "puddin bowls". Anecdotes one way or the other are NOT to be used in making this type of decision. Is whether they save lives the issue here? Almost certainly not for many people. I lived in NM for a few years, where there is no helmet required for riders over 18. Did I wear a helmet every time I rode? No way. :) Eric York -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 11:58:45 -0500 From: mericat To: Paul Jacobs CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, Rocky Rochambeau , indian@starklite.com, indian@valiant.cds.tek.com Subject: Re: PC800: Re: helmets Paul Jacobs wrote: I write: I would Never be on my bike without my helmet but I agree with the people who feel it should be a personal decision. I know if I have a bad one it probably won't make a difference but it will give me a chance if I have a lesser event. BUT, to each his own JJ Rieder -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 10:12:41 -0700 From: Alan Taylor To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Helmets --------------5CE536306C56 I personally oppose Helmet and seat belt laws. I feel it is an infringement on the civil rights of the individual. I also believe those laws act to lower the average IQ of the population by keeping a lot of idiots alive who wouldn’t otherwise be. I personally and religiously wear a helmet. If there had been any question, an accident I had in 1973 put an end to it. I lost control of a CB350 on Hwy 37 in Vallejo. I was accelerating through 85 on the Rainbow bridge when I lost it. I rolled and slid for a quarter mile, flaying my knees and elbows. My right boot came off with the laces tied, powdering my ankle. The left had it’s soles and heels ripped off. I was wearing a full helmet. The helmet was worn down to the sponge padding on the inside. easily half an inch worn away. How much impact it absorbed, I can’t say. There is no question that that helmet saved my life. 20 years later, I had a second accident, where the helmet wasn’t a factor. I landed on my rear at 15mph and was fine till a car ran over my arm. The first question my insurance company and the woman’s lawyer asked, was, was I wearing a helmet. My attorney explained that an insurance company will use not wearing a helmet as an excuse to deny a claim on the basis of negligence, whether it was a factor or not. As to your choice in helmets, that’s up to you. I prefer a ľ, only because I have a problem getting enough air in a full these days from exercising my personal choice to smoke. But if you decide to ride in California, the “Rain Hat” you wear had better be DOT certified or CHP will cite you as if you were bare headed. --------------5CE536306C56 +++++++++++++++++++++++++ Alan Taylor, Long Beach, CA 95 PC 800 “Midnight” One up is fun, Two up is better, Heads up always ! ++++++++++++++++++++++++ --------------5CE536306C56-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 12:15:38 -0500 From: mericat To: ka2wij@earthlink.net CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Helmets Alan Taylor wrote: > --------------------------------------------------------------- > +++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Alan Taylor, Long Beach, CA > 95 PC 800 =93Midnight=94 And I write: I have a friend in Chicago who lost it on the Dan Ryan Expressway. He slid across 3 lanes on his side and his head. Helmut was worm right through to the padding. He was luckier than you as far as other injuries and he doesn't like helmets but he wears them. He knows the lid saved him in this situation but he also belileves it is a personal choice. JJ Rieder > One up is fun, Two up is better, > Heads up always ! > ++++++++++++++++++++++++ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Moedavis1@aol.com by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id QAA15127; Sun, 4 May 1997 16:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 16:05:28 -0400 (EDT) To: garyklim@snet.net cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (pc-800e-mailgroup) Subject: Re: PC800: Riding Pants I have a pair of the First Gear pants that I purchased from an independent cycle shop. The pants zip from the hip down on both legs, are thinsulate lined, armor in the knees and hips. I wear them over my work clothes and arrive at looking presentable. I paid $170. They are a bit warm in the summer though, with pants on underneath. For cold weather riding they are excellent!! Chris Scales -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 19:16:10 -0500 From: Jeff Hopkins To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Electric trouble Dear Group, Yesterday I after riding about 35 miles I stopped to eat and to get gas. This was two stops. When I tried to start the '89 PC800 after the gas stop it wouldn't start. I figured the battery was two years old so I stopped at the O'Reily's parts house and put in a new battery. The bike starts fine the rest of the trip. Next day. Start the bike and ride 40 miles. Get gas. Bike won't start again. Getting POed at the bike by now. I trailer the bike in to a friends garage that has been riding Harley's for 30 years and he gets his voltmeter out. There is no resistance from the wires coming from the stator. I think I have a bad stator. Any comment from the group as to what is going on? Thanks, Jeff Hopkins '89 PC800 54k '95 PC800 4k (for sale) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA26133 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 20:42:26 -0500 (CDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 20:42:26 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Dave Lott Subject: Re: PC800: Electric trouble At 07:16 PM 5/4/97 -0500, you wrote: There is no resistance from the wires coming from >the stator. I think I have a bad stator. Any comment from the group as >to what is going on? > Jeff, It sounds like you have fallen victim to the dreaded 89 PC stator failure problem. You can check the archives and see there has been numerous discussions on the tendency of 89's to have this problem. As the owner of an 89 with 20K miles, I continue to keep my fingers crossed on avoiding this problem. Some say Honda has a hidden warranty on this, but after 8 years good luck! I am sure you will hear from others having gone through this sad experience. My recollection is that it is about $400. Bummer. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA28612 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 20:52:41 -0500 (CDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 20:52:41 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Dave Lott Subject: PC800: Westerville OH Motorcycle Museum Dear All, I haven't seen it mentioned here, so thought I would write up my little sightseeing trip in Ohio earlier this week. I was in Columbus OH on business and got through early Friday afternoon with about three hours to spare before my flight home. I had seen an ad in the tourist magazine for the Westerville Motorcycle Museum. I drove my rented cage up to Westerville, got directions to the Museum and there I was. The Museum shares the same building as the AMA. I caught the volunteers in the midst of a major spring cleaning and they were preparing the bikes for a new exhibit. They must have about 50 bikes covering all brands, with a high mixture of Hondas. Their new exhibit theme was the celebration of Honda's 50 year anniversary. I was very impressed by the Museum. The ladies there were very friendly and knowledgeable. There normally is the outrageous entrance fee of $1, but they were waiving it until the exhibit is finished. They have a nice gift shop with lots of items. I was able to get a couple of nice AMA polo shirts for $12 each! I am sure those that live in this area can provide a lot more information about this museum, but I am hopeful that I will have another opportunity to visit this place in the near future. Columbus is only about 45 miles from Marysville, so if you ever go to the Honda Homecoming, try to take this place in. Ride as if your life depended on it! \ Dave Lott \\ .__=. \ \____ ,' -(@)\-\<) Marietta, GA \__ \ (_______/_:\ >==.\ \___,' /# #\ | : \____ 1989 PC ,\\\___/|_|##(O)##| `./\---. / ,`--' ,======'//, //.\ . \ ( ______)_//<_> O//// ( (@O ) ) (________/ ====='o' \ `-' / `----' `---' -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 02:36:08 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: "PACIFIC COAST GROUP" Subject: PC800: Dave Lott's Trip Report Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 22:15:23 -0400 Dave, Thanks for the report. I didn't take the time when I went to the 1992 Honda Homecoming to visit the museum because I was too busy with the plant tour, demo rides, vendors, etc. I will make time next time. Vince -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: saintlaurent@nationscredit.com (Saint Laurent, Francois) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (pc800) Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 22:55:47 -0400 Subject: PC800: First real ride of the season. Hello everyone. I finally had a 'real' ride on my PC800. Many of you will remember that I purchased a 95 PC800 in late February, and picked it up on April 7. Since then, I have driven it about 200 miles, about 40 miles at a time. I hadn't had the time or opportunity to ride it for much longer. Also, I have been trying to think of a name for her since that April morning, but could never think of one that 'just seemed right' . (As a side note, hats off to the great names I have seen here, like 'Stealthmobile' and 'Millenium Turtle') On Friday morning, I got up bright and early to a morning sky that looked pretty clear, put on my jacket and lid, loaded up the bags, and headed out from Southern Connecticut on my trip to Ottawa, Canada. I have done this trip by car several times, which is 482 miles door to door. 8 hours later, I was in Ottawa. What a great ride! The day was clear and sunny, temps in the 40-50 range, and not a cloud in the sky. But....high winds, really high winds, really really high winds! (Are yiu gettin the idea yet?!!) The winds were about 40 mph, gusting as high as 60 mph, which made for a pretty exciting ride. Now let me tell you an important aspect of this ride. I hadn't had my backside sitting on a bike for more than an hour or so (continuous) in the last few years, so I was a little apprehensive about this ride. I'm not as young as I used to be (is anyone?), and I 'm not in the shape I was in back when I used to ride alot. I wasn;t sure whay to expect, but allowed myself enough time to pull over every hour or so if needed. As it turns out, I only stopped when I needed gas. I have only the highest regards for the comfort level of the PC800. I was truly impressed. I arrived relaxed and refreshed, with absolutely no sore spots at all. I was never that comfortable on my last bike. I really like this PC800. It is so smooth, so quiet,and so comfortable. I'm a bit on the tall side, and didn't have time to order a Rifle, so I installed the trim moulding from SAENG/TA. This really made a difference..enough of one that I may not get a Rifle screen now. I mentionned earlier that I was still looking for a name that was appropriate. After driving 482 miles with high cross winds and gusts, I have decided to call my PC800 "Waltzing Matilda", in memory of my first real ride with it, and how I 'danced' with it in the cross winds. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the PC800 couldn't handle it. It really felt quite secure. I know that I would have gone off the road on my last bike! I'm pretty sure that I haven't seen the name Matilda in anyone elses signature. If one of you has it already, please let me know. bye for now...and I promise to send in a better trip report next time! fsl 95 PC800 -> 1100 miles 'Waltzing Matilda' p.s. for those Canadian members on this list, if you are interested in knowing the steps to import a PC800 into Canada from the US, write me directly at fsl@borgconsulting.com . -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 15:25:45 -0400 From: Bill McKenna To: pc800 riders CC: Pete Wells Subject: PC800: New England Group Rides --------------49BC8EDA76D8AB1A59214CFF An Official Invite from good a good guy to a good group o' folks. RSVP: Pete Wells, Ride coordinator extrodinaire... CWells4638@aol.com Bill --------------49BC8EDA76D8AB1A59214CFF ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: CWells4638@AOL.COM by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id GAA28793; Sun, 4 May 1997 06:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 06:45:36 -0400 (EDT) To: ST1100@st1100.com, HSTA@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: New England Group Rides For those of you new to this mailing list, or new to the New England area, IT"S THAT TIME AGAIN. Begun last year, these group rides have been advertised on the ST1100 and HSTA mailing lists. They are sponsored by neither organization, nor are they limited to members of those two organizations. They are open to everyone who has a motorcycle license, a street legal motorcycle and a desire to spend a day in the company of like-minded people who enjoy this great sport. Come one , come all for a day of motorcycles, twisty roads and great camaraderie. Each ride introduces new people, new roads and perhaps a couple of unusual natural or scenic features that you might not stumble across in your average day. We tend to travel at or slightly above the posted speed limits, but speed is not our object. Great scenery, great roads and great friends are. The schedule for this year looks like this: May 17 (Saturday) Head west, taking in the Cornish Windsor bridge (longest covered bridge in the U.S., second longest in the world). Head south through Vermont, reentering NH in the south-west corner and dropping down into Massachusetts before breaking up to head our seperate ways again. July 19 (Saturday) Route to be determined. August 23-24 (Saturday&Sunday) Tentatively scheduled two day MOOSE HUNT. Plans call for heading north up the east side of NH through the 13 Mile Wood and spending the night in the Colebrook-Pittsburg, NH area. During the evening we would join the locals in moose-spotting, a favorite pasttime of the area. On Sunday we would return by way of Vermont and western NH. October 4 (Saturday) Fall Foliage Ride. We will definitely head for the White Mountains, and some lesser known roads where we can enjoy the breathtaking foliage and some great roads without enduring the crush of the dreaded FTs. (tourists) For each of these rides, we meet in the Concord, NH area. Last years meeting place seemed to work out well and was easy to find, so we'll start with that again. Meet at the Bow Park & Ride at 9:00 a.m. Arrive with your breakfast inside you and your gas tank full. >From the west, take Rt 89 to it's end. Turn right at the lights, go 30 feet and turn right into the Park and Ride. >From the north or south, take exit 12-S (that's exit 12 South) off Rt 93. Go 1/3 mile to the lights. Go straight through the lights and turn right 30 feet beyond them. >From the east, take Rt 4 to 293 to Rt 93 South. Follow the above directions from Rt 93. So mark your calendars, set your alarm clocks, and be there. I look forward to seeing all my old friends again, and making many new ones. Pete Wells Canterbury, NH (603) 783-4732 PS I would appreciate hearing form anybody interested in the August MOOSE HUNT. I have already recieved one positive response, but unfortunately, the lady in question has since moved to Oregon. --------------49BC8EDA76D8AB1A59214CFF-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sun, 4 May 1997 15:17:53 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 15:07:28 -0700 From: Ralph Gray To: Paul Jacobs CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, Rocky Rochambeau , indian@starklite.com, indian@valiant.cds.tek.com Subject: PC800: Re: helmets Paul Jacobs wrote: > > Speaking of helmets, First i must say i hate the stupid things, but when i > go into a state that has a helmet law, i and my wife purchased one of those > cheap, things that sit on top of your head, made in calif. they don't call > them helmets but rain hats. I personally don't believe that a helmet can > give you that much safety. there was an article in the sacrament paper. > that a highway patrol lost his life while riding his m.c.on patrol. they > found his head down the road from his body, and never have found his > helmet. so much for the safety factor, i am sure you all have stories about > how one saved someones head or life. but as far as big brother telling me > what to do then it is just another freedom taken away from all of us. ride > in montana or wyoming no helmet laws there, and many other states. also. > So just ride safe, > > ---------- > > From: Rocky Rochambeau > > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > > Cc: indian@starklite.com; indian@valiant.cds.tek.com > > Subject: helmets > > Date: Saturday, May 03, 1997 9:25 AM > > > > There has been a lot of talk about helmets on the Honda PC800 e-mail > > group lately. I would like some opinions if you please. > > > > They say to wear a helmet only so long. Innards compress and they begin > > to smell. Smelliness can be cured by putting a sheet of Downy Fabric > > Softener inside the helmet > > before putting it on your dome. > > > > But the compressed innards can't be cured. They also say an aged helmet > > fiberglass deteriorates and they are not safe. I wonder about that. I > > put fibreglass around some bamboo poles as struts for a quad amateur > > radio antenna some years ago and it sat up at 70 feet in the worst that > > the Arizona sun had to offer in Phoenix for a good many years and it did > > not deteriorate and it was out there where the sun got to it and when it > > came down I could see it (the fibreglass). It was not covered with a > > glossy painted overcoat as on a helmet. > > > > > > Consider: Bell will rebuild helmets for Police Departments. Consider: > > Paying upwards of $250-$500 for one of those casques is in any man's > > terms a chunk! > > > > Question; do you know of anyone who rebuilds helmets for us who ride > > non-Police motorcycles? > > > > Signed, Frugal in Virginia > > **************************************************************** > > * If you wish to ever unsubscribe to this mailing list please * > > * follow these directions: 1. Send an email message * > > * to:listmanager@starklite.com ; Subject: * > > * leave indian (1st line of msg) Thank You and Ride Safe * > > **************************************************************** > **************************************************************** > * If you wish to ever unsubscribe to this mailing list please * > * follow these directions: 1. Send an email message * > * to:listmanager@starklite.com ; Subject: * > * leave indian (1st line of msg) Thank You and Ride Safe * > **************************************************************** Some helmet law history: New York State enacted one of the first helmet laws in the this country and I believe the year was 1962. I was living in Endicott, NY at the time. The impetus was a bunch of New York area motorcycle gangs who regularly cruised the Catskills in German WWII helmets, Prussian WWI helmets, Iron Crosses, swastikas and other paraphernalia that Jews (and many non-Jews, including myself) found offensive, but there was no constitutional way to ban such costumes. Claiming the issue as safety-related, the legislature passed a law requiring all motorcycle riders to wear a helmet approved by one of a few testing laboratories. There is no doubt in my mind that, had any of these "labs" found that one of the German WWII helmets provided adequate safety, the lab would have been dropped from the "approved" list. Many NY state residents (including myself) opposed that law, but it passed anyway. I'm sure that many a helmet manufacturer's marketing manager retired at an early age as a result. Recently there was an attempt to apply similar requirements to all bicycle riders in two of Washington State's more populous counties, but the proposed laws failed. The argument was the usual: if we can prevent one debilitating head injury our law is justified. Also, as usual, the proposed law would have resulted in NO cost to the government. Therefore, there would be no need for a cost-benefit analysis, EVER! If helmets do such a good job in preventing head injuries, why aren't they mandated for all motor vehicle passengers? The answer is simple: lawmakers wives (and female lawmakers) don't want to don a protective helmet on a hot July day (or any other day) after having handed over $150.00 for a super-duper permanent or other "doo." In short, helmet laws add tens of millions of dollars to the motorcycle rider's costs and the resultant benefit is relatively miniscule. Most lawmakers have never driven (or ridden on) a motorcycle, but they know all there is to know about motorcycle safety and how the "hundreds of vegetable-brained zombies" that have resulted from helmet-less motorcycle accidents and are now entirely dependent on the public dole. To the zealot, the cost to Joe Public doesn't matter as long as a few dollar's savings to the public can be alleged. (And the nice thing is: the alleged savings never have to be proven.) The past 40 years of contrived hysteria will not be easily reversed, especially in today's litigatious atmosphere. Look around yourself: the entire country is being run by insurance comapnies and "risk managers." For example, Boy Scout troops used to be able to find hundreds of local landowners willing to host overnights. Now that situation has been gone for quite a while due to landowners' fears of lawsuits. (I know; I have many years of service as a scoutmaster.) I can cite many, many more similar situations. Will we reverse the helmet laws eventually? Probably not. We're all aware of archaic laws that remain on the books but are only enforced against the politically disenfranchised: laws like "you can't walk your gerbil on a leash unless you have an owl on your shoulder to eat him if he escapes." Helmet laws, even if successfully opposed, will languish and then rise like a hydra when a local prosecutor wishes to become a persecutor. Happy two-wheeling. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com by emout01.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA25298; Sun, 4 May 1997 23:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 23:21:32 -0400 (EDT) To: BJStrass@worldnet.att.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Need owners and shop manual After getting such a great deal on the bike, stop being a tight ass and order the manual from the dealer. Also, RKA makes a great tank bag..... Z -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA23189; Sun, 4 May 1997 23:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 23:39:04 -0400 (EDT) To: hopkinsj@telepath.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Electric trouble My advice, don't sell the '95 PC. It sounds exactly like a stator which isn't cheap to replace. The '95 will not have the same problem. Sorry,,,,, Z -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 21:12:27 -0700 From: Chris Morrow To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: New reader says hello Hello everyone, I haven't been on a bike since I sold my CB400 in 1983--then I got dragged into a Honda dealer with a friend just the other day and saw a bright red PC--it was love at first sight. Now it's back to school for the class M endorsement and looking for a bike for me! So here are a few questions for those in the know: 1 - Any recommendations on a good school to sign up with here in South Orange County, CA? 2 - New or used? Can anyone give me a general idea of what I should expect based on age and milage? What is Honda's MRP for a new PC? What is a typical dealer price? 3 - Colors/options - what's popular, useful, etc. etc. 4 - Web site - is anyone else disappointed in Honda's not having a US motorcycle web site - or is it just me that can't find it... 5 - I haven't taken the time to look through the archives yet, so if anyone can point me toward particularly interesting articles, thanks. 6 - How does the bike feel? It seems like it won't be too heavy for me and that all the built-in body work will keep the wind at bay. I'm hoping to be a full-fledged member of this group with a bike in my garage before the summer is in full swing! Sorry to be so general with these questions. Please bombard me information. Thanks very very much. Chris Morrow c_morrow@mindspring.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA01926 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 23:30:56 -0500 (CDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 23:30:56 -0500 (CDT) From: radarst@ix.netcom.com (Richard A Schuler) Subject: PC800: Greetings from a new list member. To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hello My name is Rich Schuler, but everyone calls me Radar. I am 47 years old, married, and have three grown children. Home is Pennsauken, New Jersey - just across the river from Philadelphia. I am an electrician in a (horse) race track. My Pacific Coast is a Red 1990 model that I bought new. It has the upper and lower fairings, passenger back rest, and the Hondaline/Kenwood stereo. I am currently running Metzler ML2 tires. The bike has covered 43,000 mostly trouble free miles. Even the original battery is still running strong. I've ridden the PC pretty much all over the country. Some of the more notable trips have been to Florida and New Orleans. Another trip was to Reno Nevada, where I picked up my wife at the airport and we rode two up through Yosemite and a lot of Northern California, on up through Oregon and to Washington State where we spent a week touring the mountains and national parks. My Pacific Coast has also spent plenty of time in the New England States and Nova Scotia. My PC is mostly stock except for a few things like foam grips, throttle lock, a dial thermometer (the kind that air conditioning guys use), a radar detector and a plug to connect electric clothing. My E-mail address is RadarST@ix.netcom.com My other current mounts are a 1991 ST1100 with 32,000 miles and my venerable old 1983 GL650 Silver Wing that just turned 120,000 miles and still looks and runs almost like new. (both purchased new) Thank you much for allowing me to join your list of dedicated Pacific Coast enthusiasts. I am looking forward to gaining some insight into PC ownership and experiences. Yours, Radar Ride Safe -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 23:38:27 -0500 From: mericat To: c_morrow@mindspring.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: New reader says hello Chris Morrow wrote: ....and I write: I am sure others can help you with pricing etc but I bought my 90 (red) pc 3 summers ago. I am 62 years old, 6ft 195 lbs. I had started riding that summmer (for the first time). Warmed up on a 82 Virago. Rode alot....got addicted. Connected with an old high school friend at a funeral im Minn. I met him in Minn and we took off. I was on the PC and he was on an ST1100. We were gone a month (camped 14 of those days) In that first month we went 8,000 miles all over the west and into Canada. 11 days later after returning to St. Louis we reconnected in Yellowstone and did another 4,000 miles in 11 days. This riding included Red Moutain Pass in western Colorado (which I can still see in my sleep). While going up some incredible grades and around curves of the same ilk, I was slowed by one of those old Church buses which was valiantly chugging up the pass. I was slowed to 8 to 10 miles and hour and when I finally had a opportunity the bike roared around the bus. If that sounds like I am in love with this baby, that is correct. It hauls alot of gear. In addition because of the wonderful ease of handing it is a great town bike. I have added a BMW 100 LT to my addiction, but for town riding I use the PC. It is a pleasure to ride and it does the Loooooooonnnnng stuff beautifully. This sounds tacky but in the Journal I kept I noted how many Harleys we passed each day (old veteran now, I don't do that anymore) but we passed them with ease. JJ Rieder. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 23:22:43 -0800 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: selling my 177's well..hate to say it, but I'm really not happy with my new 177's. I've got less than 1000 miles on them now, so if I'm gonna make a change to ML2's, I better do it quick. I've not gone back to the dealer yet to ask if they'll take them back and give me a decent credit or not...sooooo.. if they don't, I'll post them here for the best offer I can get. I paid $257 for the pair installed....but...I'm feeling kinda generouse to my fellow PC gang :>) -- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, AKC http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve Gross" To: "pc800" Subject: Re: PC800: First real ride of the season. Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 23:51:57 -0700 Hmmmm.... Does this mean we have to call you "Dances With Motos?" Steve Gross - Seattle, WA '90 Pacific Coast (unnamed) ---------- > From: Saint Laurent, Francois [...] > 95 PC800 -> 1100 miles > 'Waltzing Matilda' -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Mon, 5 May 1997 09:47:22 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Ralph Gray From: Gordon Golder Subject: Re: PC800: Re: helmets Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 09:47:22 +0000 Ralph: Ditto to your long post. But, I will still wear my helmet even in states that do not require them. Gordon -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 09:07:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: Jeff Hopkins cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Electric trouble Jeff, The 89's had a stator problem that has been well documented here on the list. Mine went and so did several others' on the list. Get thee to a dealer asap. It's to heavy to push a long distance. Barre' Barre' Bull Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us On Sun, 4 May 1997, Jeff Hopkins wrote: > Dear Group, > > Yesterday I after riding about 35 miles I stopped to eat and to get > gas. This was two stops. When I tried to start the '89 PC800 after the > gas stop it wouldn't start. I figured the battery was two years old so > I stopped at the O'Reily's parts house and put in a new battery. > > The bike starts fine the rest of the trip. > > Next day. Start the bike and ride 40 miles. Get gas. Bike won't start > again. Getting POed at the bike by now. I trailer the bike in to a > friends garage that has been riding Harley's for 30 years and he gets > his voltmeter out. There is no resistance from the wires coming from > the stator. I think I have a bad stator. Any comment from the group as > to what is going on? > > Thanks, > > Jeff Hopkins > '89 PC800 54k > '95 PC800 4k (for sale) > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 09:18:40 -0700 From: "Stephen A. Churchill" To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: SCPCRC PILEWIS1 wrote: > > I've finally put our group picture on our web photo-site. For the > curious it's http://www.concentric.net/~Pilewis1/pcphotos/PCRPHOTO.HTM. Phil! Wow wow wow wowowowowowowowowow! You've got more bells and whistles on this site than I can believe! Takes a while to download it all but WOWOWOWOWOWOW and WOW! Love it. Great Job! Kudos kudos. -- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve Churchill Q Q~ Oceanside California /=/\/\ __ 1996 Pacific Coast 800 /===///===/ "Katie" /\ ==\\\PC800 1700 miles and counting \_/--'-'\_/ Peace Be With You <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMA 540514 HSTA 7249 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 09:37:15 -0700 From: "Stephen A. Churchill" To: hopkinsj@telepath.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Electric trouble Jeff Hopkins wrote: > > Dear Group, > > Yesterday I after riding about 35 miles I stopped to eat and to get > gas. This was two stops. When I tried to start the '89 PC800 after the > gas stop it wouldn't start. I figured the battery was two years old so > I stopped at the O'Reily's parts house and put in a new battery. > > The bike starts fine the rest of the trip. > > Next day. Start the bike and ride 40 miles. Get gas. Bike won't start > again. Getting POed at the bike by now. I trailer the bike in to a > friends garage that has been riding Harley's for 30 years and he gets > his voltmeter out. There is no resistance from the wires coming from > the stator. I think I have a bad stator. Any comment from the group as > to what is going on? > > Thanks, > > Jeff Hopkins > '89 PC800 54k > '95 PC800 4k (for sale) > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. I agree with the opinion to not sell the '95. Spend the $400 it would cost to get a new stator instead on a pearl white paint job for the '95. -- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve Churchill Q Q~ Oceanside California /=/\/\ __ 1996 Pacific Coast 800 /===///===/ "Katie" /\ ==\\\PC800 1700 miles and counting \_/--'-'\_/ Peace Be With You <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMA 540514 HSTA 7249 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ramin Keyvan" Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 09:40:38 -0700 "Re: PC800: SCPCRC" (May 5, 9:18am) To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net Subject: Re: PC800: SCPCRC Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Phil! Great site! Thanks for sharing it with us! Makes me want to chuck work and go riding ;-)! Ramin On May 5, 9:18am, Stephen A. Churchill wrote: > Subject: Re: PC800: SCPCRC > PILEWIS1 wrote: > > > > I've finally put our group picture on our web photo-site. For the > > curious it's http://www.concentric.net/~Pilewis1/pcphotos/PCRPHOTO.HTM. > > Phil! Wow wow wow wowowowowowowowowow! You've got more bells and > whistles on this site than I can believe! Takes a while to download it > all but WOWOWOWOWOWOW and WOW! > Love it. Great Job! Kudos kudos. > > > -- > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Steve Churchill Q Q~ > Oceanside California /=/\/\ __ > 1996 Pacific Coast 800 /===///===/ > "Katie" /\ ==\\\PC800 > 1700 miles and counting \_/--'-'\_/ > Peace Be With You > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMA 540514 HSTA 7249 > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >-- End of excerpt from Stephen A. Churchill -- ------------------------------------------------------ |Ramin Keyvan | Voice: 415-846-5169 | |Member Technical Staff/ | FAX: 415-846-1228 | |Release Group | Main #:415-846-5000 | |ramin@tibco.com | Beeper:800-SKY-GRAM | |http://www.tibco.com | Beeper Pin #: 471-3186# | ------------------------------------------------------ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 10:04:54 -0700 From: "Stephen A. Churchill" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Helmet laws Oh, what the heck. Everybody else has put in their inflammatory, uninformed, biased, skewed, ignorant, emotional, or sometimes enlightened opinion on this subject; I may as well give mine of the same genre. The reason that I support helmet laws is that I don't like it when my insurance rates go up because some other rider chooses to be an organ donor. There. If that doesn't get flamed by the "Right to Choose" types I don't know what will. BTW I missed that "Right to Choose" section of the Constitution...where again is it? (ooooh another shot!) This subject, like abortion, has an enormous emotional component and there is no possible solution that will please all people. Slavery was a similar issue and there are people in the South that are still trying to fight the Civil War. enuf said. P.S.(My apologies to most Southerners. I lived in North Carolina for nine years, have many friends there and will eventually go back, but I have met the above mentioned types.) -- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve Churchill Q Q~ Oceanside California /=/\/\ __ 1996 Pacific Coast 800 /===///===/ "Katie" /\ ==\\\PC800 1700 miles and counting \_/--'-'\_/ Peace Be With You <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMA 540514 HSTA 7249 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'hopkinsj@telepath.com'" , "Honda Pacific Coast Internet List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: PC800: Electric trouble Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 12:24:01 -0700 Wait a minute, before you jump on the stator bandwagon I think you need to perform a few mores tests. I had the same problem 3 weeks ago and it turned out to be the voltage regulator and NOT the stator. The regulator was only allowing 12.5 volts to flow instead of the normal 14+ volts that should be there. The battery requires 13.2 volts so I had a slow drain situation while riding. If the stator failed the battery would be draining like a river as the bike was running and quit in a very short time. I don't have my service manual with me today but there are over two dozen tests to completely check out the regulator and stator. I'll check it tonight and email them to you this evening (unless someone else beats me to it). When you say no resistance, what combination of wires where you checking? Was it each of the three stator wires and a good ground (pos test lead on stator wire, neg test lead on ground). If so then yes, it's the stator. This indicates the insulation on the stator coils has melted/deteriorated and has grounded out. If it's the each of the stator wires tested against each other then that's a different story. I'm not looking at the troubleshooting chart but if I recall no resistance is what they should be testing as and therefore not the problem. The voltage regulator has 5 pins, each of which has a tests to be performed in combinations with the other pins. I'll email the chart tonight. How much voltage is flowing while the bike is running and the battery fully charged? Is it under 13.2 volts? Swap regulators between your 2 PC's - does the voltage go back up? A regulator cost me $150 BTW and Honda has released an updated part for it so it's different than stock. It tests out different on the bench as well. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft, Redmond, WA AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140/STOC 478 '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" '96 Honda ST1100 ALT ---------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: wind From: mike.larson@juno.com (Mike Larson) Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 18:11:15 EDT I was out running errands today on the PC. It is quite windy and a driver asked me if "I had ever been blown over by the wind?" I replied that I hadn't, but it got me to thinking. Are there instances of motorcycle riders being blown over while riding? I once rode across Western Kansas and it felt like the wind would blow me over. Any thoughts? Mike Larson mike.larson@juno.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: saintlaurent@nationscredit.com (Saint Laurent, Francois) To: mike.larson@juno.com (Mike Larson), pc800@hpc.uh.edu (pc800) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 19:02:57 -0400 Subject: RE: PC800: wind Mike Larson wrote: "I was out running errands today on the PC. It is quite windy and a driver asked me if "I had ever been blown over by the wind?" I replied that I hadn't, but it got me to thinking. Are there instances of motorcycle riders being blown over while riding? " I was next to a guy on a Gold Wing when he got blown over. We were stopped at a light and a huge crosswind hit us. At the time I had an unfaired sport bike, so I was able to recover in time, but he struggled with the Wing for a few seconds of fighting the wind, and eventually he went over. This has gotten me thinking though....If you were moving forward, would it ever blow you over, or would it simply alter your course? I would imagine that at some point in the equation, you would not have sufficient room next to you and would somehow end up on the pavement or the ditch. I recently drove in high winds, and I think the most dangerous part of being hit by a gust is when it is over. When the wind hits you from the left, your instincts and reactions immediately cause the bike to lean to the left as well, in order to counteract the wind. Then, the wind suddenly stops and you find yourself leaned over 45 degrees and suddenly turning left on I-95. When I crossed over the St. Lawrence Seaway, on a very high bridge with one of those metal grates as the road surface, I was leaning over at least 25 degrees just to go straight. I remember looking down through the grates at a large cargo ship passing under the bridge. Allthough it felt wierd, I felt in control, until I realized that there was a turn in the bridge, and it was the same way I was leaning. I had to slow down a bit and really lean it over, farther than I felt comfortable doing, on a metal grate, just to be able to negotiate the curve... Interesting question Mike....has anyone here ever been blown over by the wind when moving? fsl 95 PC800 "Waltzing Matilda" 1100 miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 18:14:36 -0500 From: mericat To: "Saint Laurent, Francois" CC: Mike Larson , pc800 Subject: Re: PC800: wind Saint Laurent, Francois wrote: > > Mike Larson wrote: > High winds......I think is is possible to be blown over particularly coming onto an interstate on an on ramp when at lower speed. I was crossing Wyoming a couple of years ago, E to E on the interstate. I learned later that the Highway patrol has warned trucks off the highway. I got off for about an hour and the winds did'nt slacken. I got back on and curving onto the road from the on ramp. The wind hit. I was at a slower speed and twice I felt that I could have gone over. I am sure at another time, conditions being a little different I would have. Because of construction there was alot of gravel which did'nt make me feet too good leaning into the wind. You are right that the scariest time is when the gust suddenly lets up and your are leaning against....nothing. Then is starts again. Probably the most demoralizing sight after you have been battling winds like these is to the the yellow warning sign the reads: HIGH WINDS POSSIBLE NEXT 30 MILES. JJ Rieder Chesterfield, Mo -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Tue, 6 May 1997 00:25:10 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Hopkins, Henning & Robuck" To: "PC 800 list" , Subject: Re: PC800: Helmet laws Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 18:17:15 -0600 Stephen A. Churchill wrote > > 'The reason that I support helmet laws is that I don't like it when my > insurance rates go up because some other rider chooses to be an organ > donor.' > I was living in California when they passed the helmet law. My rates did not move. In fact they continued to creep up like they always do. I would guess others in other states have the same experience. The insurance industry is in business to make money (and they do that extremely well) If a state or other government passes a law to limit liability all it does is reduce the costs of doing business for the insurance industry. The rates never go down!!!! Anybody out there actually had rates go down because of a helmet law? Big Bri '89 PC "Snow White" 19,555 miles and finally climbing pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 20:39:06 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: PC800: Loudon '97 Any interest in forming a convoy of PCs to the AMA Nationals at NIS on Father's Day weekend? gk -- ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net ________________________________________________________________________ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 17:10:34 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC800: overheating At 11:29 PM 4/15/97 -0700, Gregg wrote: >Any other advice or observations that anyone else could give would still >be appreciated. As you can see, I am still trying to catch up with unread mail. I have a theory for the engine stopping: If it did indeed get hot enough to spew coolant all over the place, maybe some of that coolant got to the header pipes, causing a thick cloud of steam to be sucked into the carburators. Since steam won't burn very well, it probably choked the engine dead. Far fetched? Perhaps, but possible. My two cents. Juan "We few, we happy few, we band of PC Riders" -- With apologies to William Shakespeare ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '93 ArcticCat Panther DLX University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "pohys" To: Subject: PC800: New Helmet Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 09:47:37 +0800 Hi Gang, threw caution to the wind yesterday and splurged $$$ on a helmet. I bought an Arai RX-7RR III. A little different from the regular RX-7 because the RR model has got a total of 13 vents, as opposed to the RX - 7 which has only 8. It's black and I also bought the optional black visor. So it kinda looks like a rounded Darth Vader helmet........ As for the ventilation, it's very effective. because of our windscreens, we get very little direct blast at the mouth level, thus the RR with the extra 7 vents above the eye level really make good use of the small blast of wind at the top of our heads. My only complaint is why don't they make cheaper helmets with as many holes? Yu Seung fr. Singapore (Daily high of 35 degrees, 95 black and busted) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (IPAD 1.14) id 3243800 ; Mon, 05 May 97 22:51:14 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 22:56:11 -0400 From: Scot Piper To: "Hopkins, Henning & Robuck" CC: PC 800 list , schrchll@INETWORLD.NET Subject: Re: PC800: Helmet laws Don't know about that since MI has always had a helmet law. But my rates have gone down since I've turned into an old fart (31) and by keeping the same insurance each year so that I can just renew by mail. $43 for 6 months of PL & PD. Not too bad, eh? BTW, I'm guessing PC800 insurance isn't too bad (especially compared to the crotch rockets). Can you believe they wanted $600/yr for me to insure my brother-in-law's '94 FZR-600 with full coverage? That's with a perfect driving record and the old fart rate. He's 22 with 1 ticket and pays $900/yr in CA. Go figure. For the record, I support helmet laws 100%. Scot '84 Shadow 500 17,700 miles "maybe the rain will stop by Wednesday" ----------------------------------------- Hopkins, Henning & Robuck wrote: > > Stephen A. Churchill wrote > > > > 'The reason that I support helmet laws is that I don't like it when my > > insurance rates go up because some other rider chooses to be an organ > > donor.' > > > I was living in California when they passed the helmet law. My rates did > not move. In fact they continued to creep up like they always do. I would > guess others in other states have the same experience. The insurance > industry is in business to make money (and they do that extremely well) If > a state or other government passes a law to limit liability all it does is > reduce the costs of doing business for the insurance industry. The rates > never go down!!!! > > Anybody out there actually had rates go down because of a helmet law? > > Big Bri > '89 PC "Snow White" > 19,555 miles and finally climbing > > pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 20:39:45 -0700 From: PILEWIS1 To: c_morrow@mindspring.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: New reader says hello Chris Morrow wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I haven't been on a bike since I sold my CB400 in 1983--then I got > dragged into a Honda dealer with a friend just the other day and saw a > bright red PC--it was love at first sight. > > 1 - Any recommendations on a good school to sign up with here in South > Orange County, CA? > > I'm hoping to be a full-fledged member of this group with a bike in my > garage before the summer is in full swing! > Hi Chris! As soon as you get your PC-800, you're welcome to join us, The SCPCRC, on our monthly rides!! If you haven't seen us yet our web main web home page is http://www.concentric.net/~Johanlai/pcrsc/, and some of our pictures are on http://www.concentric.net/~Pilewis1/pcphotos/PCRPHOTO.HTM. There are also some links to other sites with pictures, etc, on the bottom of our main home page. I'll defer to some of our other riders to give you local info on schools, etc. As for prices, sometimes it's hard to find PC's out here, and sometimes it's easy!! But I'm guessing the price will range from $3500 to $5000, for a used PC in good condition. If you're willing to travel a little, I'm sure there is help to be had in some of the surrounding states!! Welcome to our area of riding! Phil Lewis Mission Viejo -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael S. Brown" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: Wind Riders Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 22:43:59 -0500 Hello all, Riding in the wind has been discussed in Rider magazine as well as Motorcycle Consumer News. Both articles were informative and interesting. Interesting that today wind was sustained at 35-40 with gusts up to 60. Riding in the wind can be a scary experience. Observing surrounding clues as to tree, grass or debris movement can provide advance warning of gusts. Noticing the terrain and other physical or man made features can also clue a rider as to where gusts or calm areas may occur. Pella is located by a lake, consequently a dam road and a mile long bridge span the reservoir. At times these two roadways can be hazardous. Approximately three weeks ago a trailer and pickup were blown into the railing on the dam road. Fortunately, the occupants were not injured. One theory expounded is that increased speed can overcome the force of the wind. But then there is another theory about an immovable object an irresistible force. Ride carefully, ride cautiously, and ride safely. If the wind is high enough to become disconcerting, pull off and stop at the first available area. Being blown into another lane is not a fun experience. Michael '90 PC800 "ESCAPN" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 20:49:12 -0700 From: PILEWIS1 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Thank you for your kind praise! Thank you all for the kudos on my web page! I have to confess, though, that I really know very little about HTML. What I did was to use a really neat program that you can get at http://www.mindworkshop.com/alchemy/gifcon.html#gcsweb_graphic. It's a GIF contruction program, that will make animations that you can insert into your web page. I've been using the web page editor in Netscape 3.0 Gold. I was just given Hot Metal Pro 3.0 for my birthday, so my web pages should be getting a little better in the future (as soon as I learn all the stuff that it can do!! :)) I really need to learn how to reduce some of my file sizes to reduce the download time. Anyway, thanks again! Phil -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 22:24:43 -0700 id Megw.3912966 ; Mon, 5 May 1997 22:22:54 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 12:57:00 -0700 From: "Bruce Modlin" Subject: PC800: RE: PC800 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu I am pretty sure BJ Strass has hit the all time best price on a used PC800 in good shape. Under 3K and its red too! I have a tank bag setup for mine, it has the top and bottom straps always mounted to bike and then just attach the bag as needed. The top strap is wrapped around a slight space just forward of the "tank". The rear is at the bottom of the tank, just under the seat. I never use them cause the trunk is so dam big! The previous owner used the tank bag to carry his cd/cassette player. I use a small FM walkman that I keep in the left hand fairing pocket. Bruce -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 02:12:57 -0400 From: Joe Beresford Subject: PC800: wind To: Mike Larson , "Fellow PC800's" When traversing Kansas ...you just gotta travel faster than the wind.... well, or at least have a good helmet an neck support, and great skill at riding at a 45 degree angle, also helps to have a good set of rubber under ya, I think with a tail wind i was avg over 60 mpg and at avg mph of 80 on that particular day I logged 870 miles going from up nr Sturgis down to the OKIE patch at the Texas border.... ABout being asked if ever blown over, no....but a bunch of Harley guys I passed that day had a fun time of catching up with me, just to ask was that thing running?????as I quietly sliced down the road when I passed them, they rode along with me for the rest of the day till midnight over 500 some miles, we all had a enjoyable lunch, sightseeing, and a late Ice cream break.... Fireman Joe of Time-Warner Cable Communications==http://www.pathfinder.com Cincinati, Ohio 90PC800 HSTA/AMA/HRCA/RK -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA09613 for ; Tue, 6 May 1997 01:14:30 -0500 (CDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 01:14:30 -0500 (CDT) From: greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers) Subject: Re: PC800: Helmet laws To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Steve Churchill wrote: > >The reason that I support helmet laws is that I don't like it when my >insurance rates go up because some other rider chooses to be an organ >donor. > Nobody should be required to wear a helmet. Unlike seat belts in a car, helmets do not help you control the vehicle, thereby enhancing the safety of other drivers/riders. HOWEVER, those who do not wear a helmet should NOT be eligible for tax-supported health care, rehabilitation, nursing home care, etc. resulting from an "accident". Simple economics of personal responsibility. Greg Chambers -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 02:12:59 -0400 From: Joe Beresford Subject: RE: PC800: wind To: "Saint Laurent, Francois" , "Fellow PC800's" As for being bown over by the wind....no But see me previous reply to mike....and add this FWIW once in VA i was doing a beer run for the group I was cammping with along the appalachian trail....and i rode into what I thought was a storm, but I got stopped in a heavy downpour and wind in the middle of the road, I know I stopped in the middle of the road, but when I looked up after it suddenly cleared, I could feel my feet getting soaked in a deep puddle an then I realized I was not still on the Raod but in the ditch some 20' from the road....hummmm tha was a pertty strong gust of wind I thought......... As i got into town at a stop light this older man hollars out "say boy's did y'all see a funnel cloud down tha way???" referrring to where we had just been....... I looked over at my buddy, and suddenly my legs got jello'y and I fell over..........Realizing I had just been picked up an deposited by a small twister....... Talk about feelling lucky.....well that beer sure tasted great....... Fireman Joe Cincinnati, Ohio -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 23:46:21 -0800 From: Dave Gross To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: crap...who's gonna get the server thing?? shit...I've looked through my saved msgs and obviously zoned out and forgot who was checking into the InterNic PC.800.org thing?? Was it Neill? duh... what's the status..... -- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, AKC http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 02:52:11 -0400 From: Claude To: pc800 riders Subject: PC800: S**T HAPPENS Hello this is my first post, been lurking for about a week now, i've been riding since i was 16, i'm 41 now how time flys when you're having fun.It all started for me with a 1962 JAWA 125,follwed by a 73Yamaha 500twin,76Kawasaki kz650,(bought new), 75Honda750f(customized cafe style with harley rearwheel,ect),73Norton 850Commando(all original w/2200mi. right down to the dunlop tires),84Susuki GS750EF(fun to ride, if you don't mind the lower back pain...) The Honda PC800 had caught my eye, a rare sight up here in Canada, i began checking out the clasifieds for one, finally in may '95 an '89 pearl white pc was listed. I climbed onto the GS the next day to check it out. The owner explained that all his buddies had goldwings ect,ect, handing me the key he urged me to take it for a test ride....THIS WAS DEFINITELY NOT A CROTCH ROCKET....it felt "heavy" compared to my nimble GS750. As i headed back my mind was calculating the cost of operating 2 bikes, the pc would be great for long hauls,(a concept the GS750 was not designed for)........ I had just gotten off the expressway when the unthinkable happened; the car in front of me jammed on his brakes, i was doing about 30 mph, instinctively i downshifted and hit the brakes, the bike went down onto its right side. I watched the rear view mirror disintegrate just before bailing out, i slid into the ditch, the pc kept going, as i got up the bike was still sliding towards the intersection, the tires must have grabbed the pavement because the bike suddenly flipped violently onto its left side smashing the other mirror, finally, it came to rest. Some people stopped to help me pick up "the mess". Amazingly the bike did not sustain much damage, both mirrors were gone, the fairing protectors were scuffed and the trunk lid was lightly scratched,that's it. S**t happens! Total cost to repair all damage including 1 pair of Levis: $780.00 Can. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Tue, 6 May 1997 09:48:23 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gordon Golder Subject: PC800: Wind Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 09:48:23 +0000 Wind can be frightening. Rode out of Texas one time heading east on I40 with strong north wind. The pc almost naturally leans into the wind to maintain stability. But, with about a 40 mph north wind I was leaning a lot. When trucks would pass, they of course took the wind while along side; but when pulling ahead the bike just headed into the left lane. NO THANKS!! I got off the hiway in Shamrock, TX about 3 p.m. - Short day's ride. A day later while heading east on I70 toward Indianapolis with a strong tail wind, I filled with gas somewhere. Checked my milage -- 70 mpg. Honest Truth! Gordon -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 08:13:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: pohys cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: New Helmet Yu, Don't know if they sell them in Singapore but check the Nolan line of helmets. Excellent ventilation, good quality and very reasonably priced. Barre' Barre' Bull Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us On Tue, 6 May 1997, pohys wrote: > Hi Gang, > > threw caution to the wind yesterday and splurged $$$ on a helmet. > I bought an Arai RX-7RR III. A little different from the regular RX-7 > because the RR model has got a total of 13 vents, as opposed to the RX - 7 > which has only 8. It's black and I also bought the optional black visor. > So it kinda looks like a rounded Darth Vader helmet........ > > As for the ventilation, it's very effective. because of our windscreens, > we get very little direct blast at the mouth level, thus the RR with the > extra 7 vents above the eye level really make good use of the small blast > of wind at the top of our heads. My only complaint is why don't they make > cheaper helmets with as many holes? > > Yu Seung fr. Singapore (Daily high of 35 degrees, 95 black and busted) > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 06 May 1997 08:09:35 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 08:09:13 -0800 From: Eric York To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: wind A "me too" wind anecdote... Once, while going from Las Cruces, NM to Carlsbad Caverns, two up on the PC, we encountered typical (for the southwest) spring winds. I would guess they were steady at about 30 mph with gusts to a paltry 45 or so. Perpendicular to the road we were on. We spent about an hour cruising along straights leaned _way_ over. Lotsa fun. Special bonuses came when you went behind banks that blocked the wind momentarily. We got used to entering these blocked areas on the right side of the road so that we could recover before unintentionally changing lanes when the side wind stopped. Similarly, we stayed on the left side of the lane so that when we re-entered the wind, we would still be on the road. ;) This was the first time I ever completed a right hand sweeper leaned to the LEFT through the entire curve. Eric York -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Tue, 6 May 1997 15:24:51 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: , "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: PC800: overheating Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 01:53:03 -0400 Yes, Juan, it is a little far fetched. Too many Eskimo pies? Vince ---------- > From: Juan A. Goula > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: overheating > Date: Monday, May 05, 1997 9:10 PM > > At 11:29 PM 4/15/97 -0700, Gregg wrote: > >Any other advice or observations that anyone else could give would still > >be appreciated. > > As you can see, I am still trying to catch up with unread mail. I have a > theory for the engine stopping: If it did indeed get hot enough to spew > coolant all over the place, maybe some of that coolant got to the header > pipes, causing a thick cloud of steam to be sucked into the carburators. > Since steam won't burn very well, it probably choked the engine dead. Far > fetched? Perhaps, but possible. My two cents. > > Juan > "We few, we happy few, we band of PC Riders" > -- With apologies to William Shakespeare > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 > School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '93 ArcticCat Panther DLX > University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat > (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 08:53:37 -0700 From: "Stephen A. Churchill" To: "Juan A. Goula" CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: overheating Juan A. Goula wrote: > > At 11:29 PM 4/15/97 -0700, Gregg wrote: > >Any other advice or observations that anyone else could give would still > >be appreciated. > > As you can see, I am still trying to catch up with unread mail. I have a > theory for the engine stopping: If it did indeed get hot enough to spew > coolant all over the place, maybe some of that coolant got to the header > pipes, causing a thick cloud of steam to be sucked into the carburators. > Since steam won't burn very well, it probably choked the engine dead. Far > fetched? Perhaps, but possible. My two cents. > > VERRRRY creative Juan! I'm impressed. :-) We'll start calling you Juan Holmes. -- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve Churchill Q Q~ Oceanside California /=/\/\ __ 1996 Pacific Coast 800 /===///===/ "Katie" /\ ==\\\PC800 1000 miles and counting \_/--'-'\_/ Peace Be With You <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMA 540514 HSTA 7249 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 09:01:23 -0700 From: "Stephen A. Churchill" To: Joe Beresford CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: wind Joe Beresford wrote: > > As for being bown over by the wind....no > But see me previous reply to mike....and add this FWIW > once in VA i was doing a beer run for the group I was cammping with along > the appalachian trail....and i rode into what I thought was a storm, but I > got stopped in a heavy downpour and wind in the middle of the road, I know > I stopped in the middle of the road, but when I looked up after it suddenly > cleared, I could feel my feet getting soaked in a deep puddle an then I > realized I was not still on the Raod but in the ditch some 20' from the > road....hummmm tha was a pertty strong gust of wind I thought......... As > i got into town at a stop light this older man hollars out "say boy's did > y'all see a funnel cloud down tha way???" referrring to where we had just > been....... I looked over at my buddy, and suddenly my legs got jello'y > and I fell over..........Realizing I had just been picked up an deposited > by a small twister....... > Talk about feelling lucky.....well that beer sure tasted great....... > > Fireman Joe > Cincinnati, Ohio > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Whoah ooooooo eeeeee mmmmmmmm erg. That gives me the willies just thinking about it. I've been in those SE USA storms. It's like that. -- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve Churchill Q Q~ Oceanside California /=/\/\ __ 1996 Pacific Coast 800 /===///===/ "Katie" /\ ==\\\PC800 1720 miles and counting \_/--'-'\_/ Peace Be With You <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMA 540514 HSTA 7249 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 09:01:42 -0700 From: "Stephen A. Churchill" To: "Hopkins, Henning & Robuck" CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Helmet laws Hopkins, Henning & Robuck wrote: > > Stephen A. Churchill wrote > > > > 'The reason that I support helmet laws is that I don't like it when my > > insurance rates go up because some other rider chooses to be an organ > > donor.' > > > I was living in California when they passed the helmet law. My rates did > not move. In fact they continued to creep up like they always do. I would > guess others in other states have the same experience. The insurance > industry is in business to make money (and they do that extremely well) If > a state or other government passes a law to limit liability all it does is > reduce the costs of doing business for the insurance industry. The rates > never go down!!!! > > Anybody out there actually had rates go down because of a helmet law? > > Big Bri > '89 PC "Snow White" > 19,555 miles and finally climbing > > pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Please notice that I didn't say insurance rates would go down with helmet laws. (I agree. Insurance companies don't generally give money back!) I said my insurance rates wouldn't go up with helmet laws. This is a relative thing. With inflation, cost of living, etc. all rising, some rise in rates is inevitable. Since insurance companies are competitive and all work on actuarial tables of losses for claims by death and serious injury, a decrease in these rates will reflect in decreased rise in insurance costs to be borne by ALL riders. Any insurance company that artificially maintains their insurance rate high will simply be priced out of the motorcycle insurance business. It is a long chain of events between anybody's injury claim or lack thereof and an insurance rate change; and the effect is muted. But it does change. Yes, the insurance companies are in business to make money as are all businesses, but it is a competitive business. -- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve Churchill Q Q~ Oceanside California /=/\/\ __ 1996 Pacific Coast 800 /===///===/ "Katie" /\ ==\\\PC800 1720 miles and counting \_/--'-'\_/ Peace Be With You <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMA 540514 HSTA 7249 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Tue, 6 May 1997 16:08:00 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gordon Golder Subject: PC800: careless mistake Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 16:08:00 +0000 Just changed my oil (using Honda 10-40) and the washer on the oil plug fell into the oil. Didn't notice it until I had filled the cycle with oil and was pouring the old oil into a jug for recycling. Now, the plug is in tight. Should I chance that it will hold, or should I drain the oil, put the washer on the plug, and reload the oil? Long trip coming up on Friday. Gordon -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 18:05:53 +0200 (MET DST) To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net From: Gerard Diepeveen Subject: Re: PC800: Thank you for your kind praise! Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 20:49 05-05-97 -0700, you wrote: >Thank you all for the kudos on my web page! >I've been using the web page editor in Netscape 3.0 >Gold. I was just given Hot Metal Pro 3.0 for my birthday, so my web >pages should be getting a little better in the future (as soon as I >learn all the stuff that it can do!! :)) I really need to learn how to >reduce some of my file sizes to reduce the download time. You should take a look at Adobe PageMill 2.0 it's a wysiwyg html editor. There is a version for MAC and a beta release for Windows 95, I've done all my pages with the beta release for windows 95. You can download this beta release from the Adobe website, it's about 5 meg in size. Gerard Diepeveen, PCN 0000 0000 0 0 Gerard Diepeveen '89 White 0 0 0 0 00 0 Pacific Coast Netherlands 0000 0 0 0 0 ---------- Visit the ---------- 0 0 0 0 00 Honda Pacific Coast Netherlands 0 0000 0 0 webpage http://www.dsv.nl/~pcn/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA13659; Tue, 6 May 1997 12:25:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 12:25:16 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: PC800: TWiStar '97 Hello all, The deal on the ride as I understand it is as follows. Show up in Spring Green on Friday evening, the 16th. Ride the routes on Saturday, Return on Sunday. Bring your camping gear if you don't already have a room. I plan on leaving Chicago on Friday afternoon/evening so that I can get there with daylight left for tent setting. Would anyone leaving from or coming through Chicago like to meet at a place/time? We could all go together. Having headed up that way many times, I would recommend we meet in Elgin, which is a town NW of the city at 5PM. This will allow us to be ahead of the Friday traffic and still get to WI with daylight left. I can leave earlier as well. Fireman Joe, if you leave Cincy at 8 AM your time, you can be in Chicago by noon or 1 PM. Well, I throw my proposal to the group at large. Call me at 773-235-0933 or e-mail public or private and I will cordinate it. Z -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA11146; Tue, 6 May 1997 12:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 12:28:14 -0400 (EDT) To: GAG@worldnet.att.net, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: careless mistake You said you had the oil back in before you noticed the washer was gone..... Should you get the easher back on before your trip....????? If you have a friend who will place their finger over the oil hole, you won't lose much oil.... I'd get the washer back in.... a leak you don't notice till the engine seizes would ruin your day... Z -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 09:36:05 -0700 From: "Stephen A. Churchill" To: c_morrow@mindspring.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: New reader says hello Chris Morrow wrote: > > > 1 - Any recommendations on a good school to sign up with here in South > Orange County, CA? Call 1 800 CC-RIDER for information on motorcycle riding schools. The one I went to is in Kearney Mesa just above San Diego. I understand there is one in OC though. > > 2 - New or used? Can anyone give me a general idea of what I should > expect based on age and milage? What is Honda's MRP for a new PC? What > is a typical dealer price? I have bought a used PC and subsequently a new PC. I bought the used one because the price was low ($3500) and I needed transportation. I didn't know I was going to fall in love with riding. I traded in the used bike for a new one because 1. I could now afford it. 2. I am compulsive about maintenance and I had no way of knowing what abuse or care was done the the used bike before I purchased it. 3. I am also compulsive about finish and the used bike had several large scratches and actual cracks in the plastic. Cosmetic only but it bugged me. 4. The used bike had what I thought was fairly high mileage (37k)and I wanted to do some touring without worrying about whether it would hold up. This concern is probably unfounded. 37k is less than halfway if not a third through a PC's predicted longevity. Maybe even less. Once I replaced the stator I had no problems. (it was an '89) MRP for a 97 is $8300 if you can find a new 96 they go for $7200 Chapparal in San Berdoooooo had one a few months ago. used bikes usually start at $3500 depending upon mileage and options. > > 3 - Colors/options - what's popular, useful, etc. etc. Pearl White '89, Candy Red '90,'91, Black'94,'95 and Brrright Rrred '96,'97. (did I get that right guys?) See archives for options. I reccommend 29" Rifle Windshield and Corbin Seat. > > 5 - I haven't taken the time to look through the archives yet, Do so. Good luck! Phil Lewis has filled you in on the SCPCRC. We look forward to seeing you. -- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve Churchill Q Q~ Oceanside California /=/\/\ __ 1996 Pacific Coast 800 /===///===/ "Katie" /\ ==\\\PC800 1720 miles and counting \_/--'-'\_/ Peace Be With You <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMA 540514 HSTA 7249 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 12:46:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave DeLang To: "Saint Laurent, Francois" Cc: Mike Larson , pc800 Subject: RE: PC800: wind On Mon, 5 May 1997, Saint Laurent, Francois wrote: > > > Mike Larson wrote: > Are there instances of > motorcycle riders being blown over while riding? " > > > > This has gotten me thinking though....If you were moving forward, would > it ever blow you over, or would it simply alter your course? I would > imagine that at some point in the equation, you would not have sufficient > room next to you and would somehow end up on the pavement or the ditch. > I recently drove in high winds, and I think the most dangerous part of > being hit by a gust is when it is over. When the wind hits you from the > left, your instincts and reactions immediately cause the bike to lean to > the left as well, in order to counteract the wind. Then, the wind I think one of the more treacherous situations is if you are leaned over in a bend, and a stiff gust of wind hits you from the inside. To compensate for the wind load, you have to lean farther, and maybe, you don't have clearance... Another hazard is when leaned over in the wind on the interstate, is to have a semi pass to windward of you, cutting off the wind suddenly. I very nearly dumped a loaded touring bicycle in a similar fashion, I was on the Pacific Coast ( yuk yuk ) Highway, and came around a tight bend in a ravine and suddenly left the wind shadow of a cliff, and the wind caught me full broadside on my low side. I dragged my panniers on that side, just lucky that my pedal was up on that side! O.K. enuff drivel... Dave D. '90 PC, 17K and counting -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "Honda Pacific Coast Internet List (E-mail)" Subject: PC800: Stator and Regulator Tests Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 09:30:30 -0700 Looking at the 89-90 Service Manual here's what the resistance tests look like. When I replaced the voltage regulator I had 2 tests show 0 resistance when they should have been 30-500 ohms. The new part was "updated" by Honda and tested out completely different so these tests are for the original regulators in '89-90 bikes only. Note: if any of your components test out different then that part should be replaced. Stator wires (3 yellow wires compared against each other): Standard is 0.1 - 1.0 Ohms at 68 degrees F Stator wires compared to ground (pos lead on stator, neg on good ground ): Infinity Voltage Regulator: 5 pins. Diagram below Yellows ---- ---- ---- Red ---- ---- green Tests + Probe Red Yellow1 Yellow2 Yellow3 Green ------------------------------------------------------- - probe red / Infinity Infinity Infinity Infinity yellow1 .5-1.0 / 30-500 30-500 10-200 yellow2 .5-1.0 30-500 / 30-500 10-200 yellow3 .5-1.0 30-500 30-500 / 0.5-200 green 1-20 0.5-10 0.5-10 0.5-10 / Good luck with your repair. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft, Redmond, WA AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140/STOC 478 '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" '96 Honda ST1100 ALT "TruST" ---------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 09:02:15 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: PC800: careless mistake At 04:08 PM 5/6/97 +0000, you wrote: >Just changed my oil (using Honda 10-40) and the washer on the oil plug fell >into the oil. Didn't notice it until I had filled the cycle with oil and >was pouring the old oil into a jug for recycling. Now, the plug is in >tight. Should I chance that it will hold, or should I drain the oil, put >the washer on the plug, and reload the oil? Long trip coming up on Friday. Gordon, Is it worth to you worrying about the oil in your bike through out the trip? Peace of mind will make your trip more enjoyable, and it won't take but 15 minutes of your time to install that washer. Good luck. Juan "We few, we happy few, we band of PC Riders" -- With apologies to William Shakespeare ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '93 ArcticCat Panther DLX University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pjacobs@coffey.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, rochambeau@juno.com, indian@starklite.com, indian@valiant.cds.tek.com Subject: PC800: Re: helmets From: indianscout@juno.com (Jerry H. Hatfield) Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 13:45:42 EDT Paul Jacobs says he doubts if helmets can give you that much safety. So, Paul, do you think the AMA, NASCAR, NHRA, FIM, USAC, SCCA, etc. have it all wrong by making their competitors wear helmets? I do agree that the government shouldn't make them mandatory. The reason I oppose mandatory helmet laws is this: if the government wants to limit our risk-taking they have just as much right to outlaw motorcycles as they have to outlaw helmets. Jerry Hatfield -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: GuntherSki@aol.com Cc: GAG@worldnet.att.net, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 10:42:41 -0700 Subject: Re: PC800: careless mistake From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy) >If you have a friend who will place their finger over the oil hole, >you won't lose much oil.... You don't need a friend. I made the same error. Simply have the washer at hand on the deck; finishing unscrewing the drain bolt with one hand, with your other thumb right beside the drain hole, and put your thumb over the hole as you remove the bolt; set the bolt on the deck on it's head; slip the washer on, pick up bolt, remove thumb... I lost about three ounces when I did it. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: saintlaurent@nationscredit.com (Saint Laurent, Francois) To: GuntherSki@aol.com (GuntherSki) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (pc800) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 15:09:49 -0400 Subject: RE: PC800: careless mistake Gunther....you should have asked a Canadian! We have a way to do it where you won't lose any oil at all. Drive your bike to my place. Let it cool down to the ambient temperature. Then, the oil will be so thick that you can unscrew the plug, install the washer, and screw the plug back on. You might lose a drop if you take more than 30 seconds to do it !!! Of course, now that we are in May, spring is coming. And of course, in our summer (which around here is usually the 2nd week of July for a few days) this won't work. But seriously though. I agree with the earlier post. You should be able to do it quickly, and only lose a bit of the oil. fsl 95 PC800 Waltzing Matilda 1100 miles ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Richard A Hardy[SMTP:rahardy@juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 1997 2:11 PM To: GuntherSki Cc: GAG; hsta; pc800 Subject: Re: PC800: careless mistake >If you have a friend who will place their finger over the oil hole, >you won't lose much oil.... You don't need a friend. I made the same error. Simply have the washer at hand on the deck; finishing unscrewing the drain bolt with one hand, with your other thumb right beside the drain hole, and put your thumb over the hole as you remove the bolt; set the bolt on the deck on it's head; slip the washer on, pick up bolt, remove thumb... I lost about three ounces when I did it. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ------ Message Header Follows ------ (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.8d for Windows NT(tm)) nations.nationscredit.com mag1.magmacom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28629 for ; Tue, 6 May 1997 14:05:48 -0400 (EDT) sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA08396; Tue, 6 May 1997 13:03:49 -0500 (CDT) 22:03:07)); Tue, 06 May 1997 13:03:46 -0500 (CDT) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA08329 for ; Tue, 6 May 1997 13:02:48 -0500 (CDT) id OeN09208; Tue, 06 May 1997 14:02:28 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: GuntherSki@aol.com Cc: GAG@worldnet.att.net, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date:Tue, 6 May 1997 13:42:41 -0400 Subject: Re: PC800: careless mistake From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ramin Keyvan" Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 12:11:38 -0700 "PC800: Re: helmets" (May 6, 1:45pm) To: indianscout@juno.com (Jerry H. Hatfield), pjacobs@coffey.com Subject: Re: PC800: Re: helmets Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, rochambeau@juno.com, indian@starklite.com, indian@valiant.cds.tek.com On May 6, 1:45pm, Jerry H. Hatfield wrote: > Subject: PC800: Re: helmets > > The reason I oppose mandatory > helmet laws is this: if the government wants to limit our risk-taking > they have just as much right to outlaw motorcycles as they have to outlaw > helmets. > > Jerry Hatfield Which, if I may add, has been discussed in more than one session of congress over the years. I think the govt. should stay out of my business when it comes to things I do to myself. It's when my activities impinge on the freedoms of others in our society that they should step in. But if I want to go crack my skull on the pavement without a helmet, that should be MY choice! To relate a "boy are you glad you were wearing a helmet" story: A very good friend of mine and one of his riding buddies were out riding the twisties one fine afternoon when the car my friend's buddy was following locked them up on the apex of a curve, for no apparent reason. This caused the gentleman (who, as luck would have it was wearing leathers) went down hard started to slide towards the ditch. The next thing this poor guy remembers is waking up in a hospital room with a few bangs and bruises but nothing life-threatening in terms of injuries. A few minutes after he wakes up the doctor comes in to check on him and tells him that he is truly a lucky man and very lucky to even be alive. Judging from the puzzled look on the patient's face, the doctor realizes this guy doesn't remember anything after the moment he went down. So he reaches into the closet and pulls out this guy's helmet which along with many scratches, dings, etc., has a very distinct tire tread pattern across the facial area! It seems that the cager behind him froze at the wheel when he went down and followed his trajectory right into the ditch after him and ran him over! Had it not been for his helmet, that gentleman would not be riding (or anything else, for that matter) today. Anyway, just something to chew on. Ride safely and ride lots! :-) Cheers, Ramin -- ------------------------------------------------------ |Ramin Keyvan | Voice: 415-846-5169 | |Member Technical Staff/ | FAX: 415-846-1228 | |Release Group | Main #:415-846-5000 | |ramin@tibco.com | Beeper:800-SKY-GRAM | |http://www.tibco.com | Beeper Pin #: 471-3186# | ------------------------------------------------------ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: crap...who's gonna get the server thing?? From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 06 May 1997 14:39:30 -0500 Lines: 14 >>>>> "DG" == Dave Gross writes: DG> I've looked through my saved msgs and obviously zoned out and forgot DG> who was checking into the InterNic PC.800.org thing?? Me. DG> what's the status..... Happening. I really do want to know what everyone's rush with this is. - J< -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Tue, 6 May 1997 20:09:37 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gordon Golder Subject: PC800: Thumb and oil Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 20:09:37 +0000 Thanks to Z, Rich Hardy, Walzing Matilda (neighbor in Canada), Juan, and John LaFreniere. I'll use the thumb. Question: How do all you working people find time to check e-mail in the middle of the day? Hmmmm. Gordon in Grand Rapids, MI -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Rusty Jackson To: "'Gordon Golder'" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: PC800: Thumb and oil Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 13:19:34 -0700 Simple, email is part of our job. Just happens that we read these emails when reading our work related email. Rusty ====================================== Russell C. Jackson - Software Engineer Email: rjackson@wrightstrat.com Corporate Web: http://www.wrightstrat.com -------------------------------------- Wright Strategies 2223 Avenida de la Playa, Suite 105 La Jolla, CA 92037 619-551-6808 x124 ====================================== -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Gordon Golder [SMTP:GAG@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 1997 1:10 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Thumb and oil Thanks to Z, Rich Hardy, Walzing Matilda (neighbor in Canada), Juan, and John LaFreniere. I'll use the thumb. Question: How do all you working people find time to check e-mail in the middle of the day? Hmmmm. Gordon in Grand Rapids, MI -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 17:52:43 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Gordon Golder CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: PC800: careless mistake > Gordon Golder wrote: > Should I chance that it will hold, or should I drain the oil,... Drain the oil and replace washer. It not only acts as a lock washer when properly torqued, but also prevents the drain plug from scoring the mating surface on the crankcase, which may or may not now be scored depending on the condition of the plug flange. gk ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net ________________________________________________________________________ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 19:12:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: Jason L Tibbitts III cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: crap...who's gonna get the server thing?? Jason, Don't think it's really a rush as such but....riding time is drawing real close. Better to get stuff done now for me any way. I have a week of student teaching coming up and then it's off for a two week ride through the Smokies and on to the Hoot. So.....best if I get what I need to get done now as I am well known for my procrastination. ;) Barre' Barre' Bull Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us On 6 May 1997, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > >>>>> "DG" == Dave Gross writes: > > DG> I've looked through my saved msgs and obviously zoned out and forgot > DG> who was checking into the InterNic PC.800.org thing?? > > Me. > > DG> what's the status..... > > Happening. > > I really do want to know what everyone's rush with this is. > > - J< > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 19:16:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: Gordon Golder cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Thumb and oil Rusty, If you check our signature blocks you'll notice that a lot of us have jobs that require us to read our email all day. Ain't life grand! :) Barre' Barre' Bull Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us On Tue, 6 May 1997, Gordon Golder wrote: > Thanks to Z, Rich Hardy, Walzing Matilda (neighbor in Canada), Juan, and > John LaFreniere. I'll use the thumb. > > Question: How do all you working people find time to check e-mail in the > middle of the day? Hmmmm. > > Gordon in Grand Rapids, MI > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id WAA27840 for ; Tue, 6 May 1997 22:46:10 -0500 (CDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 22:46:10 -0500 (CDT) From: greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers) Subject: Re: PC800: Thumb and oil To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu You wrote: > >Question: How do all you working people find time to check e-mail in the >middle of the day? Hmmmm. > >Gordon in Grand Rapids, MI > Gordon - I asked the same question a couple of months ago. Believe it or not, the answer (from several people) was that they get PAID to read email...it's part of their job. Where did I go wrong? Greg Chambers -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Andre Espaillat" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 23:30:54 +0000 Subject: Re: PC800: Thumb and oil Reply-to: moto@flash.net >Question: How do all you working people find time to check e-mail in the >middle of the day? Hmmmm. I asked the same question a couple of months ago. Believe it or not, the answer (from several people) was that they get PAID to read email...it's part of their job. Where did I go wrong? ======>and some of us get paid to WRITE email all day. ************************************************************* Andre Espaillat - outrace@flash.net - CMRA/WERA 522 1996 WERA Southcentral Reg. Champ - Clubman Novice Out & Out Racing 1510 Randolph St., Suite 103, Carrollton, TX 75006 USA (972) 323-7924 www.flash.net/~outrace Your mind is the most important part of your motorcycle. ************************************************************* -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: CliffA@aol.com by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id CAA08801 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Wed, 7 May 1997 02:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 02:15:25 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: PC-800 E-Mail List Somehow I got bumped off the E-Mail list and have been going through withdrawal. I'm "re-subscribing" so I will not miss any of the great messages posted. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Bryce Ulrich , Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 10:47:45 EST From: James Hyder Subject: Re: PC800: RE: Fuel Smell Addressed to: Bryce Ulrich ** Reply to note from Bryce Ulrich Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:23:40 -0700 >>My bike started with decreased mpg at about30,000 miles and on a recent >>trip seemed to get worse. It was about 50 mpg and now is closer to 40, has >>a gas odor when shut off, and slightly decreased performance. Has the >>problem been identified by anyone? > >Your problems are consistent with a problem that was traced to small holes >in a part of the fuel petcock. The petcock is vacuum operated and there is >a small rubber diaphragm inside that may develop very small pinholes >causing it to slowly leak gasoline. The droplets of gas get sucked back >into the carbs while running and evaporate when you shut off the engine >giving off that wonderful aroma. There is a small drain at the bottom of >the petcock that may show a brown colored stain, similar to tobacco juice. Bryce, This response of yours struck a chord with me, since I started experiencing a drop in mileage last spring, just before taking a trip out to Michigan. (I wrote to the list about it in a message titled "HELLLLLLPPPPP!!!!") So while I was working on the bike this weekend (trying Mobil 1 for the first time), I looked, and sure enough, a tiny little bit of brown gunk at the bottom of that little drain, and more around the outside of the mouths of the carbs right nearby. Is your source of this diagnosis your own personal experience, or is there more information about this somewhere? I don't think I've ever put high-testgas in the bike, although I might have done it once by accident. Do you think one tank could do it? It seems unlikely to me. The only other possible culprit in my case would be Stabil, which I have used every year over the winter to prep the bike for a few months of inactivity. And in my case the mileage drop showed up first thing in the Spring. Has there been any correlation of this problem with model year? Perhaps this is just an inherent fault in the valve diaphragm itself, an aging problem? My bike was 7 years old when this problem showed up, so maybe a thin little rubber diaphragm got old and brittle with age. I guess I'll order a new valve (I'd like to get my mileage back up around 50 again), but it sure would be nice to have a better idea about the cause of this failure. Any thoughts (or known facts)? --James Hyder Columbia, MD USA '89 PC800, bought new in '91, 26K+ miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: saintlaurent@nationscredit.com (Saint Laurent, Francois) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (pc800) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 12:10:38 -0400 Subject: PC800: Colors of PC800's Hi there everyone. In a recent post here, someone (I forget who) listed the various colors of the PC800, based on the years of production. Was there ever a two-tone gold pearl model in the US? The first time I saw a PC800 was in a dealer showroom out in Calgary. The bike was used, and I think it was sometime around 1993. It was a medium to dark gold metallic on the top, and the lower section was a beautiful pale yellow/light gold pearl. I was wondering if anyone here knows what colors the PC was ever available in, both in Canada and Europe. (Gerard Diepeveen?") fsl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 13:00:43 -0500 (CDT) by hilly.apci.net with SMTP; 7 May 1997 17:56:33 -0000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Kathleen H. Feher" Subject: PC800: Tired Tush Relief Anyone know anything about the "Airhawk" cushion that is produced by Roho? It has been advertised in several national magazines lately. It costs almost $200, but wondering if it could be a easier way (except for swallowing the cost) to provide a remedy for "tired tush". It would be easy to transfer to another user, and not involve the replacement of the whole saddle if they worked well. Suggestions or opinions, anyone? Kathy Feher 1990 PC - "Irish" KATHF@apci.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 10:24:51 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: PC800: Tired Tush Relief At 01:00 PM 5/7/97 -0500, you wrote: >Anyone know anything about the "Airhawk" cushion that is produced by Roho? >It has been advertised in several national magazines lately. It costs >almost $200, but wondering if it could be a easier way (except for >swallowing the cost) to provide a remedy for "tired tush". It would be easy >to transfer to another user, and not involve the replacement of the whole >saddle if they worked well. > >Suggestions or opinions, anyone? I think the "Allyn Air Seat" would work just as well, at a fraction of the cost. I used a $25.00 pair of padded bicycle shorts and it seemed to help, once I got used to the thigh-hugging legs. FWIW Juan "We few, we happy few, we band of PC Riders" -- With apologies to William Shakespeare ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '93 ArcticCat Panther DLX University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'James Hyder'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: RE: Fuel Smell Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 10:32:21 -0700 Is your source of this diagnosis your own personal experience, or is there more information about this somewhere? Personal experience as well as a summary of a list topic about 2 years ago. Search the archives on "Fuel Smell" and you'll find a bunch of messages from Kent Polk. He's the one who traced it to the diaphragm on his bike. Kent is no longer on the list BTW: I don't think I've ever put high-testgas in the bike, although I might have done it once by accident. Do you think one tank could do it? It seems unlikely to me. I agree - unlikely. Has there been any correlation of this problem with model year? Perhaps this is just an inherent fault in the valve diaphragm itself, an aging problem? No correlation with year, mileage, or region of the country. The only think that seemed consistent was running higher octane fuels My bike was 7 years old when this problem showed up, so maybe a thin little rubber diaphragm got old and brittle with age. It may also be the gas cap. If you have a buddy willing to trade gas caps for awhile you could check it out. A replacement cap is $30 (ouch!) I guess I'll order a new valve (I'd like to get my mileage back up around 50 again), but it sure would be nice to have a better idea about the cause of this failure. CHECK THE DIAGPHRAM BEFORE YOU ORDER PARTS! The fuel petcock comes apart very easily. Hold the diapgram up to a bright light and look for pinholes. Stretch it a bit too. If you see holes then I'd replace it. Part is $80 so it's worth the extra trouble to check IMHO. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft, Redmond, WA AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140/STOC 478 '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" '96 Honda ST1100 ALT "TruST" ---------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Wed, 7 May 1997 16:05:02 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 16:02:56 -0700 From: tomp@mmrs.state.ms.us (Tom Patterson) To: Gordon Golder CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: careless mistake Gordon, It's risk management. What does it cost vs what would you lose. If I was 18 I would go like you have it. Since I've had a few years to learn things the hard way, I'd replace the washer. You won't have to replace much oil. Pull the plug, do the finger in the dyke trick, washer on plug, replace plug. It's the ONLY thing to do, in my opinion. Good luck. Tom Patterson Pearl MS, USA 89 PC Gordon Golder wrote: > > Just changed my oil (using Honda 10-40) and the washer on the oil plug fell > into the oil. Didn't notice it until I had filled the cycle with oil and > was pouring the old oil into a jug for recycling. Now, the plug is in > tight. Should I chance that it will hold, or should I drain the oil, put > the washer on the plug, and reload the oil? Long trip coming up on Friday. > > Gordon > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 18:05:11 EST From: James Hyder Subject: PC800: Good service, 2 stories I've got two cases of good customer service to relate. The first has to do with Cycle Design in Mass, the dealership I was praising for its low prices a while ago. (BTW, I've just placed an order with them for the fuel petcock I was talking about in my last post. Bryce said he remembered the price as being about $80. CD's price, including delivery to me in MD: $36.54!) I ordered a bunch of parts from CD a month or two ago, and when the shipment was about a week late, I called them up to ask what had happened. They left a message saying that UPS claimed they had left it at my door a week earlier. (It later turned out that UPS had for some reason returned it to CD, but that's irrelevant to my point here.) When I called back, I spoke to Doug and expressed my concern about the whereabouts of the package. It seemed unlikely to me that the box had been stolen from my doorstep, and I wanted to try and check with UPS about exactly what they had done. However Doug just said, "I'll send out a duplicate order right away" and seemed unconcerned about UPS' error. In other words, his first concern was me, the customer, not what had happened to the first box. Great attitude. This is the kind of service I'd like to get everywhere. (I got the order a few days later.) My second story has to do with my Guardian motorcycle cover. I had bought it about two years ago, and since I don't have a garage and keep my bike covered whenever I'm not riding it, it was about finished after last winter. It had faded, become brittle, and a tear had just begun to open up on one of the creases. I went to a local dealer to price out a replacement, and asked the sales person there what his recommendation was. He agreed that Guardians were best, and pointed out that they had a lifetime warranty. I had forgotten this little piece of information, and so I took down the company's number from one of the boxes. However, I figured they probably had a bunch of hoops to jump through (you have to have sent in the warranty card when you purchase it, or show them the original receipt, or some such nonsense) and that I probably wouldn't actually get a new cover out of this. After all, this is a piece of canvas standing out in the elements for a couple of years. How can they really promise to replace it forever? But it was worth a try. Well, the long and the short of it is, they replaced it. I sent them the old one, my bike stood uncovered for about two weeks, and a brand new, improved cover arrived. No hoops. No receipts. Nothing. Very nice. I'm interested to see if it works again in the Spring of 1999, when this one wears out. Guardian covers from Dowco. The G100 fits the PC800 perfectly. I recommend them. So I guess there is a little good in this nasty old world, after all. --James Hyder Columbia, MD USA '89 PC800, bought new in '91, 26K+ miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 18:25:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Nick Witzell To: James Hyder cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Good service, 2 stories James, Where is Cycle Design in Massachusettes? And do you have a phone no for them? Three other companies that have superb customer service. Hewlett Packard for many electronic products and excellent support. Spyderco Knives, for great value knives and great customer support. Call and you can actually talk to a human being in less than 2 mins. And of course LL Bean for outdoors sporting good and accessories. I am is a great mood... no need to list the less than satisfactory companies. Nick __ __/o \__ \____ \ __ //\ \ __/o \-//--\ \_/ \____ ___ \ | || \ |\ | _|| _||_|| Ride with a friend and always wear protection! Nick ps, > Guardian covers from Dowco. The G100 fits the PC800 perfectly. I recommend > them. I have the same cover, It's great! But I use it inside my garage to keep my cats off of my pc! Sometimes it helps. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com by emout11.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id TAA02697; Wed, 7 May 1997 19:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 19:12:34 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: PC800: Twistar convoy.... The following are the details for a group that is heading up North to Spring Green, WI on Friday, May 16th. If any HSTA'ers or PC800 owners would like to come along, be there or call me for more details. Todd (Chicago) 773-235-0933 Meeting at Amoco Gas Station N/E Corner of Higgins and Barrington Roads, Hoffman Estates Illnois Meeting at 3:00 departing promptly at 3:15 We have a planned backroad route to the site and estimate arrivial in time for registration nad dinner in Spring Green. If there are other HSTA'ers who would like to join the convoy you can forward this to them. Y'all come ! See you there ! T2 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 18:11:15 -0500 From: mericat To: James Hyder CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Luffmeitser Does anyone know if this company is still in business and where I could locate them?? JJ Rieder -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Another "Cover" story From: rider.stan@juno.com (Stan Brady) Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 20:40:48 EDT Guys and Gals-- Check out the Feb. '97 issue of Rider, P. 48 for a comprehensive summary of various mc covers. They, too, give the Guardian high marks. They also laud the Covercraft, one of which protects my bike when out of the comfort of the garage. Waterproof, well constructed, relatively light, and folds into its own integral pocket. And it, like the Guardian, carries a lifetime guarantee. Unlike James, however, I can't attest to how well the manufacturer (Covercraft Industries, Pauls Valley, OK) services claims. Good riding to all. Stan B. aboard "Miss Ruby" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 00:21:20 -0400 From: Joe Beresford Subject: PC800: ref-time for email To: Gordon Golder , "Fellow PC800's" haven't you heard of comming home for lunch...then again my work area is also my neighborhood so in betwwen service calls I sneeak home let the dog out, tak a 20 minutew nap, shower,, watch a video.....you know all the things a normal county worker would do.... but i don't work for the county...... hahhaha -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: ramin@tibco.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 01:29:46 Subject: Re: PC800: Battery removal procedure... From: tzedak@hudsoncnsl.win.net (Todd Zedak) >Greetings all: > >I would be most grateful if someone on the list would be so kind as to describe >to me how to remove the battery from the pc-800. Preferably, this would be done >without the breakage of plastic body parts ;-). I need to take the battery out >of Erin's PC and recharge it and would really prefer not to damage the bike in >the process. > >Thanks much in advance, > >Ramin (don't want to break the S.O.'s bike) Keyvan ;-) > > > Hey Ramin, I would suggest that before you remove the battery you hop down to local hardware store and purchase some heavy gauge red wire with a protective rubber cover over a round connector. When re-installing the battery, connect this wire to the "hidden" positive lead and hang it where you can see it. The stiffness of the wire will prevent it from moving and the cover will prevent an accidental short. However, for charging, trouble shooting, or jump starting, you'll be happy you did it. Z -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 04:59:57 -0500 (CDT) Thu, 8 May 1997 03:58:27 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: hmkvbw@rmci.net (Harry Kellam) Subject: PC800: Convoy to Rider Rally @ Pocono Mts. Anyone interested in riding to the Pocono Mts. Rally on Friday May 23rd.from the Virginia/Maryland/NC/WV area. If so than let get together om time of meeting and where. I would suggest in VA or Maryland for a meet up spot. Any suggestions? "Ole HK" from VA 90 PC - HRCA & HSTA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 09:55:40 -0500 From: mericat To: Todd Zedak CC: ramin@tibco.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Battery removal procedure... Todd Zedak wrote: > > > >Greetings all: > > > >I would be most grateful if someone on the list would be so kind as to describe > >to me how to remove the battery from the pc-800. Preferably, this would be done > >without the breakage of plastic body parts ;-). I need to take the battery out > >of Erin's PC and recharge it and would really prefer not to damage the bike in > >the process. > >The PC is a beautiful little bike BUT getting at the battery requires the skill of a surgeon. The instruction manual tells you step by step how to start taking the plastic parts off from the front and working back until you get to the battery. I did it once....but never again. I now take it to the Honda dealer here in St. Louis and let them do it. It is very frustrating...JJ Rieder -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com by emout03.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA13184; Thu, 8 May 1997 11:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 11:14:47 -0400 (EDT) To: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Tired Tush Relief I use a air pillow I purchased from Eckerd Drugs for about $13.00. I tie it on with a couple of bungi cords. I can ride all day in air supported comfort. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 11:31:41 EST From: James Hyder Subject: Re: PC800: Good service, 2 stories Nick Witzell wrote: > Where is Cycle Design in Massachusettes? And do you have a phone no for > them? Phillipston, MA. Phone number 800-343-1374. Update on the discrepancy in the prices for the petcock that Roger Prince and I were quoted. The error was in the price given to me (unfortunately!) The price Roger got (about $75) is right. In the mean time, I'm taking Bryce's advice and checking for holes in the diaphragm first. Bryce wrote: >It may also be the gas cap. If you have a buddy willing to trade gas >caps for awhile you could check it out. A replacement cap is $30 >(ouch!) Do you mean that a bad seal in the gas cap would also cause the brown fuel gunk to come out of the petcock drain? How does that work? --James Hyder Columbia, MD USA '89 PC800, bought new in '91, 26K+ miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. 08 May 1997 08:49:09 -0700 (PDT) <01BC5B8D.0D1DBBA0@cypspain.ug.eds.com>; Thu, 08 May 1997 08:51:42 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 08:51:38 -0700 From: Harrison Spain <_spain@edsug.com> Subject: RE: PC800: Battery removal procedure... To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" I think that Phil can describe better than I the battery removal procedure but suffice it to say you do not have to remove all the skins :-). It does take some effort but Phil did it (in the dark; well under flashlights anyway) in under 5 minutes :-). I'll try to describe the process: 1) Remove the side black cover (you know the one that you remove to get to your dip stick) :-). 2) Remove the right hot air exhaust cover (the one you have to twist a bit to get out). 3) Remove the side panel (one phillips screw, two snaps, and a bit of a tug). 4) You should be able to unbolt and remove the battery tie down clamp now. 5) Unsnap the rear cover a bit and bend it outwards as you twist and remove the battery (I hope this makes sense). Reverse the process to re-install. As I said, Phill did a much better job describing this earlier on the list :-). Harrison ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mericat[SMTP:mericat@tetranet.net] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 1997 7:55 AM To: Todd Zedak Cc: ramin@tibco.com; pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Battery removal procedure... Todd Zedak wrote: > > > >Greetings all: > > > >I would be most grateful if someone on the list would be so kind as to describe > >to me how to remove the battery from the pc-800. Preferably, this would be done > >without the breakage of plastic body parts ;-). I need to take the battery out > >of Erin's PC and recharge it and would really prefer not to damage the bike in > >the process. > >The PC is a beautiful little bike BUT getting at the battery requires the skill of a surgeon. The instruction manual tells you step by step how to start taking the plastic parts off from the front and working back until you get to the battery. I did it once....but never again. I now take it to the Honda dealer here in St. Louis and let them do it. It is very frustrating...JJ Rieder -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ramin Keyvan" Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 09:21:53 -0700 "Re: PC800: Battery removal procedure..." (May 8, 1:29am) To: tzedak@hudsoncnsl.win.net (Todd Zedak), ramin@tibco.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Battery removal procedure... Hey Todd! What cool idea! I'll definitely do that. Thanks, Ramin On May 8, 1:29am, Todd Zedak wrote: > Subject: Re: PC800: Battery removal procedure... > > >Greetings all: > > > >I would be most grateful if someone on the list would be so kind as to describe > >to me how to remove the battery from the pc-800. Preferably, this would be done > >without the breakage of plastic body parts ;-). I need to take the battery out > >of Erin's PC and recharge it and would really prefer not to damage the bike in > >the process. > > > >Thanks much in advance, > > > >Ramin (don't want to break the S.O.'s bike) Keyvan ;-) > > > > > > > > Hey Ramin, > > I would suggest that before you remove the battery you hop down to > local hardware store and purchase some heavy gauge red wire with a > protective rubber cover over a round connector. When re-installing > the battery, connect this wire to the "hidden" positive lead and > hang it where you can see it. The stiffness of the wire will > prevent it from moving and the cover will prevent an accidental > short. However, for charging, trouble shooting, or jump starting, > you'll be happy you did it. > > Z > >-- End of excerpt from Todd Zedak -- ------------------------------------------------------ |Ramin Keyvan | Voice: 415-846-5169 | |Member Technical Staff/ | FAX: 415-846-1228 | |Release Group | Main #:415-846-5000 | |ramin@tibco.com | Beeper:800-SKY-GRAM | |http://www.tibco.com | Beeper Pin #: 471-3186# | ------------------------------------------------------ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Thu, 8 May 1997 17:51:38 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Tired Tush Relief Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 13:44:55 -0400 Hey Bernie, You can't buy parts at Eckerd's for your PC. I will try my local store. ---------- > From: BernieK469@aol.com > To: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu; pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: PC800: Tired Tush Relief > Date: Thursday, May 08, 1997 11:14 AM > > I use a air pillow I purchased from Eckerd Drugs for about $13.00. I tie > it on with a couple of bungi cords. I can ride all day in air supported > comfort. > > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: saintlaurent@nationscredit.com (Saint Laurent, Francois) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (pc800) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 14:09:10 -0400 Subject: PC800: Givi Key and some other thing Hi everyone. When I purchased my PC800, it came with only one key for the bike, and one for the Givi. The dealer cut me a couple of others for the bike, but he did not have any blanks for the Givi. I'll have to order some blanks from Givi for the key, I guess. Also on my dealer key chain was a small plastic something or other. It looks like a small key in length, but has no pattern or teeth down the side, and is made of plastic. Does anyone know if this is something that came with the Givi, or with the PC800? thanks everyone.... fsl p.s. to those members of the list who can't understand how some of us send/receive EMail during the day from our places of employment, I'm on my lunch break! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 14:13:59 -0400 From: Roger Prince To: Vincent Santamaria Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Tired Tush Relief Is that one of those rubber donuts? Vincent Santamaria wrote: > > Hey Bernie, You can't buy parts at Eckerd's for your PC. > I will try my local store. > > ---------- > > From: BernieK469@aol.com > > To: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu; pc800@hpc.uh.edu > > Subject: Re: PC800: Tired Tush Relief > > Date: Thursday, May 08, 1997 11:14 AM > > > > I use a air pillow I purchased from Eckerd Drugs for about $13.00. I tie > > > it on with a couple of bungi cords. I can ride all day in air supported > > comfort. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 15:28:44 -0400 From: Roger Prince To: "Saint Laurent, Francois" Cc: pc800 Subject: Re: PC800: Givi Key and some other thing fsl, does your PC have deer whistles? The ones that are removable from their base are released with a "key" such as you described. I haven't had any deer problems since I installed mine. Roger -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 16:18:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Barry Shaffer Subject: Re: PC800: Tired Tush Relief To: BernieK469@aol.com cc: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Like Juan I use bike shorts on some of my long rides. Usually something gives before my butt! On Thu, 8 May 1997 BernieK469@aol.com wrote: > I use a air pillow I purchased from Eckerd Drugs for about $13.00. I tie > it on with a couple of bungi cords. I can ride all day in air supported > comfort. > > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Barry Shaffer (716) 679-3185 Grape Farm Mgmt.Specialist Fax (716) 679-3122 412 E. Main St. email:bshaffer@cce.cornell.edu Fredonia, NY 14063 CENET:bshaffer -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA04794; Thu, 8 May 1997 17:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 17:10:17 -0400 (EDT) To: vsantamaria@worldnet.att.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Tired Tush Relief Vince The seat is called "Sof Seat." by Cruis In Concepts. It is imported by Ho Medic of Keego Harbor, MI. It is made of a material that looks like, but isn't, glove leather. I attached it to the bike's saddle with two 30' bungi cords. The cords hook over the bikes saddle and run through, four of the six air holes in the "Sof Seat." The "Sof Seat" comes in a number of colors, including a gray that matches the orginal saddle on my 94 PC. The seat sold at Eckard Drugs for $5.99. I have tried it on a number of all day runs. I am on longer anticipating a gas stop to rest my butt. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: saintlaurent@nationscredit.com (Saint Laurent, Francois) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (pc800) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 18:02:44 -0400 Subject: RE: PC800: Tired Tush Relief BernieK wrote.... Vince The seat is called "Sof Seat." by Cruis In Concepts. It is imported by Ho Medic of Keego Harbor, MI. It is made of a material that looks like, but isn't, glove leather. I attached it to the bike's saddle with two 30' bungi cords. Wow...30' bungee cords....There must be some slack at the end...You would think that 2 or 3 feet would be enough... :-) Sorry...couldn't resist.. fsl -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com by emout22.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA21059; Thu, 8 May 1997 18:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 18:32:24 -0400 (EDT) To: vsantamaria@worldnet.att.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Tired Tush Relief Vince The seat is called "Sof Seat." by Cruis In Concepts. It is imported by Ho Medic of Keego Harbor, MI. It is made of a material that looks like, but isn't, glove leather. I attached it to the bike's saddle with two 30' bungi cords. The cords hook over the bikes saddle and run through, four of the six air holes in the "Sof Seat." The "Sof Seat" comes in a number of colors, including a gray that matches the orginal saddle on my 94 PC. The seat sold at Eckard Drugs for $5.99. I have tried it on a number of all day runs. I am on longer anticipating a gas stop to rest my butt. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Thu, 8 May 1997 22:40:48 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Tired Tush Relief Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 18:29:49 -0400 Thanks Bernie, I heading to Eckards after supper. Where do you get 30' bungi cords? Vince ---------- > From: BernieK469@aol.com > To: vsantamaria@worldnet.att.net; pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: PC800: Tired Tush Relief > Date: Thursday, May 08, 1997 5:10 PM > > Vince > > The seat is called "Sof Seat." by Cruis In Concepts. It is imported by > Ho Medic of Keego Harbor, MI. It is made of a material that looks like, > but isn't, glove leather. I attached it to the bike's saddle with two > 30' bungi cords. The cords hook over the bikes saddle and run through, > four of the six air holes in the "Sof Seat." The "Sof Seat" comes in a > number of colors, including a gray that matches the orginal saddle on my > 94 PC. The seat sold at Eckard Drugs for $5.99. I have tried it on a > number of all day runs. I am on longer anticipating a gas stop to rest > my butt. > > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Thu, 8 May 1997 22:44:29 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: "PACIFIC COAST GROUP" Subject: PC800: Bicycle rack for PC*800? Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 18:37:34 -0400 OK,a challenge to you PC gurus. I need a bicycle rack for my PC. Ideas? Vince -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 15:00:48 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: PC800: Bicycle rack for PC*800? At 06:37 PM 5/8/97 -0400, you wrote: >OK,a challenge to you PC gurus. > > I need a bicycle rack for my PC. > >Ideas? You mean one to park your PC on your garage wall, or one to carry a bicycle with you as a shuttlecraft? :-) I carried a bicycle with me once on my Yamaha Maxixm 550 once, using the grab rail as a resting spot for the top tube. Worked pretty good as long as I went around corners *really* slow. Otherwise the bicycle tires would contact the pavement. Now, if you had one of those foldable bikes, you could probably put it on the GiVi rack. Good luck! Juan "We few, we happy few, we band of PC Riders" -- With apologies to William Shakespeare ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '93 ArcticCat Panther DLX University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: CGreenwlt@aol.com by emout24.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id TAA02516 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 8 May 1997 19:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 19:08:24 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Wrecked '89: Good Deal? I've located a wrecked '89 with about 32K miles. I've not looked at the bike, but the shop (an independent shop) claims all the bike needs is a new fairing, new mirrors, and new guard covers all round. Seems the bike went down on both sides (how do you manage that?). The shop claims the bike rides fine; it just needs cosmetic repair. I asked why they didn't do the repair and was told they didn't have the time. So, think this bike is worth consideration? What other damage could the bike have sustained that is not readily obvious? What would it cost to repair? Is Tupperware replacement hard? Hard to match paint (or does the plastic come prepainted?)? Since I could probably find an '89 in excellent condition for about $3500, what should I offer for this bike (I think I can get it for $1500)? Clint Greenwalt Houston -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Karl Siebrecht" To: "PC800 list" , "Vincent Santamaria" Subject: Re: PC800: Bicycle rack for PC*800? Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 17:17:08 -0600 I took both wheels off and sort of used the passenger back rest to "spear" thru the triangle of the frame and then bungied the wheels on top of it. It looks ugly, but rode fine. Lots to assemble when you got to where you are going. I would be interested in other ideas as well. Maybe Mr. Thule will come up with something ;-) > > OK,a challenge to you PC gurus. > > I need a bicycle rack for my PC. > > Ideas? > > Vince -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 08 May 1997 16:27:41 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 16:27:04 -0800 From: Eric York To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, vsantamaria@worldnet.att.net Subject: PC800: Bicycle rack for PC*800? -Reply >>> "Vincent Santamaria" 05/08/97 I need a bicycle rack for my PC. >>> I considered the same thing...Here is my half-baked idea, worth less than you are paying for it. Do you have a Hondaline backrest? If so, it should be "easy" to fabricate a frame which bolts directly to the the stays of the backrest. It might look like this: ___ __ | | / \ | | / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ or / \ Clearly, it would have to be tall enough to keep the bike from dragging on the ground and far enough back to keep from poking a passenger with pedals, etc. (if you wanna pillion too) the top would have a quick release skewer in it, similar to many auto bike racks. The bike would then hang vertically behind you from its front fork. You would have have to find somewhere to put the front wheel, but you should also be able to attach (weld) something across this triangular unit to make provision for front wheel attachment on either side of the bike. Eric York -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: mericat@tetranet.net Cc: tzedak@hudsoncnsl.win.net, ramin@tibco.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Battery removal procedure... From: rochambeau@juno.com (Rocky Rochambeau) Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 19:30:32 EDT Someone put a post on the net regarding the battery removal. It was a special way and quite easy. Check the archives of pc800. If you have no luck e-mail me back and I will locate it and send you my address and you can send me an SASE and I will fotcopy it and mail it to u. Maybe someone will read this and re send the post> Bon chance. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 19:33:50 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: CGreenwlt@aol.com CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: PC800: Wrecked '89: Good Deal? CGreenwlt@aol.com wrote: > Seems the bike went > down on both sides (how do you manage that?). Ever watch footage of a "high-side"? Not a pretty sight... > What would it cost to repair? Bodywork plastic is slightly more expensive than its' weight in weapons grade Plutonium. gk ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net ________________________________________________________________________ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (IPAD 1.14) id 3770000 ; Thu, 08 May 97 19:34:46 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 19:38:28 -0400 From: Scot Piper To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Bicycle rack for PC*800? Vincent Santamaria wrote: > > OK,a challenge to you PC gurus. > > I need a bicycle rack for my PC. I don't know about a bike rack, but on a related subject, can you pull a trailer with a PC800? If so, how complicated (and expensive) is it to set one up? Scot ---- > Ideas? > > Vince > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 08 May 1997 16:43:11 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 16:42:34 -0800 From: Eric York To: CGreenwlt@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Wrecked '89: Good Deal? -Reply >>> 05/08/97 03:08pm >>> I've located a wrecked '89 with about 32K miles. I've not looked at the bike, but the shop (an independent shop) claims all the bike needs is a new fairing, new mirrors, and new guard covers all round. I asked why they didn't do the repair and was told they didn't have the time. So, think this bike is worth consideration? What other damage could the bike have sustained that is not readily obvious? What would it cost to repair? Is Tupperware replacement hard? Hard to match paint (or does the plastic come prepainted?)? Since I could probably find an '89 in excellent condition for about $3500, what should I offer for this bike (I think I can get it for $1500)? >>> By "fairing" do you mean wind screen? If this is really all it needs, it might be ok. But considering that mirror ass'ys alone could go for a couple hundred each, the requisite body parts could be expen$ive. It is entirely possible the bike is totalled, from an insurance point of view. It might be worth considering if you are going to do all the work yourself. Body replacement ain't tuff if you have a shop manual. You _can_ get parts in the "ivory" color. Other possible damage that ain't obvious: bent frame, misaligned fork, etc. Sounds like the bike could have been high sided and tumbled, which makes these DISTINCT possibilities. $1500 might be high. Be sure to research EXACTLY what it needs, and find prices before you commit. (Banzai) A shop will usually FIND time to do something if they could make money at it. I would want to examine their motives VERY closely. Good luck, let us know what happens. Eric York -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 00:34:45 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: "PACIFIC COAST GROUP" Subject: PC800: Honda Hoot Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 20:28:03 -0400 Where is the gathering spot at the Hoot? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com by emout03.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA29938; Thu, 8 May 1997 22:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 22:03:25 -0400 (EDT) To: scotp1965@mdn.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Bicycle rack for PC*800? In a message dated 97-05-08 21:05:32 EDT, scotp1965@mdn.net (Scot Piper) writes: << I don't know about a bike rack, but on a related subject, can you pull a trailer with a PC800? If so, how complicated (and expensive) is it to set one up? >> Oh Abbey, A customer calling..... Z -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: AWong18031@aol.com by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id CAA00981 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Fri, 9 May 1997 02:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 02:32:18 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Pc800 in Seattle I've located a pretty good buy on an 89 PC in Seattle. Since I live here in sunny Southern California, I was hoping there might be a PC'er in Seattle who might have the time to inspect this bike for me. Email me ASAP if this might be a possibility. Archie -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 09:00:45 -0500 (CDT) by hilly.apci.net with SMTP; 9 May 1997 13:56:11 -0000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Kathleen H. Feher" Subject: PC800: Tired Tush Reply >From the number of responses I got, there must be a couple other "tender" tushes out there. Thanks for all the help and suggestions. Bob suggested.... >Kathy Feher asked about the Roho Airhawk; Haven't tried the airhawk, but... >Why don't we all pitch in $10, have kathy buy one, and give us a product report. While I really liked that idea, how about changing it a little so I can buy that new Viper too? ; ^ ) Just KIDDING, the manufacturer did give me verbal promise that I could try it for thirty days and return it if I didn't like it. I think that would certainly give me an idea if I liked it. I did find someone local who uses the cushion on a Gold Wing and he loves it. Think I might try out some of the suggestions I got from the list first, but if I do trial the cushion, I will write back. Also Todd didn't remember me introducing myself...... >I don't remember you introducing yourself. Are you the owner of the PC? Where >are you from? Also, have you heard/tried the Corbin seat route? I've been on the list for quite a while, but usually have to admit to being a confirmed lurker most of the time. Can't ever seem to jump in with any mechanical expertise, but thoroughly enjoy reading and passing the info along to my non-mechanically impaired spouse. He rides a Yamaha Virago, but in the interest in educating someone who hasn't the foresight to ride a PC-800, I let him read the replies anyway. The PC is mine, and yes I have also "thought" about a Corbin seat. My 1990 PC, "Irish" is a beautiful red and is named for it's owner's heritage, not its color. I bought it second hand and have thoroughly enjoyed it. My husband and I have only been riding for about five years, so we don't have near the history of some on the list which is probably why I enjoy the list so much. We live in Southern Illinois in the Metro-St. Louis area. This gives us some great country roads to ride on and enjoy the scenery. Kathy Feher 1990 PC = "Irish" KATHF@apci.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by quartz.nbnet.nb.ca (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11373) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Todd Trask To: "Jerry H. Hatfield" , "pjacobs@coffey.com" , "'Ramin Keyvan'" Cc: "indian@starklite.com" , "indian@valiant.cds.tek.com" , "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" , "rochambeau@juno.com" Subject: RE: PC800: Re: helmets Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 22:24:06 -0300 In my neck of the woods, at least during my lifetime (28) helmets have = been mandatory. I have always taken them for granted, and would not = ride without one, nor let my son, while under my wing, ride without, but = I do believe it is a matter of choice. The reason being, as repeated = here several times - you are not infringing on the safety of others - = other than presenting the potential of making someone lose their lunch = should they see your thinking goo displayed on the curb. The most outstanding fatal motorcycle accidents I can recall around here = were situations where only one person would have survived, if he had a = helmet. This was a 12 year old kid that dropped a dirt bike on railroad = tracks and knocked his brains loose on the rail. In every other = situation, and in my little province you hear of them all, the accidents = were devastating - biker hits moose, pair of drunk bikers catch up with = slow pay loader on an off-ramp, a handful of instances where bikers = hydro'd or dropped in front of a semi. The point is, the risk is in = riding the bike itself, and as long as that is legal, there will be = deaths, accidents and veggie-brains, with or without helmets, but it is = a risk I am willing to take. Regards, Todd ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ramin Keyvan[SMTP:ramin@tibco.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 1997 4:11 PM To: Jerry H. Hatfield; pjacobs@coffey.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu; rochambeau@juno.com; indian@starklite.com; = indian@valiant.cds.tek.com Subject: Re: PC800: Re: helmets On May 6, 1:45pm, Jerry H. Hatfield wrote: > Subject: PC800: Re: helmets > > The reason I oppose mandatory > helmet laws is this: if the government wants to limit our risk-taking > they have just as much right to outlaw motorcycles as they have to = outlaw > helmets. > > Jerry Hatfield Which, if I may add, has been discussed in more than one session of = congress over the years. I think the govt. should stay out of my business when it = comes to things I do to myself. It's when my activities impinge on the = freedoms of others in our society that they should step in. But if I want to go = crack my skull on the pavement without a helmet, that should be MY choice! To relate a "boy are you glad you were wearing a helmet" story: A very = good friend of mine and one of his riding buddies were out riding the = twisties one fine afternoon when the car my friend's buddy was following locked them = up on the apex of a curve, for no apparent reason. This caused the gentleman = (who, as luck would have it was wearing leathers) went down hard started to slide towards the ditch. The next thing this poor guy remembers is waking up in a hospital room = with a few bangs and bruises but nothing life-threatening in terms of injuries. = A few minutes after he wakes up the doctor comes in to check on him and tells = him that he is truly a lucky man and very lucky to even be alive. Judging from the puzzled look on the patient's face, the doctor realizes = this guy doesn't remember anything after the moment he went down. So he = reaches into the closet and pulls out this guy's helmet which along with many = scratches, dings, etc., has a very distinct tire tread pattern across the facial = area! It seems that the cager behind him froze at the wheel when he went down = and followed his trajectory right into the ditch after him and ran him over! Had it not been for his helmet, that gentleman would not be riding (or = anything else, for that matter) today. Anyway, just something to chew on. Ride safely and ride lots! :-) Cheers, Ramin --=20 ------------------------------------------------------ |Ramin Keyvan | Voice: 415-846-5169 | |Member Technical Staff/ | FAX: 415-846-1228 | |Release Group | Main #:415-846-5000 |=20 |ramin@tibco.com | Beeper:800-SKY-GRAM | |http://www.tibco.com | Beeper Pin #: 471-3186# | ------------------------------------------------------ **************************************************************** * If you wish to ever unsubscribe to this mailing list please * * follow these directions: 1. Send an email message * * to:listmanager@starklite.com ; Subject: * * leave indian (1st line of msg) Thank You and Ride Safe * **************************************************************** -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 10:14:08 -0700 From: "Stephen A. Churchill" To: Vincent Santamaria CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Bicycle rack for PC*800? Vincent Santamaria wrote: > > OK,a challenge to you PC gurus. > > I need a bicycle rack for my PC. > > How about a front fork quick release (they are available for mounting to the floor of a pickup or van) bolted on some hard point on the rear of the PC. The front wheel could be bungeed somewhere and the rest of the bicycle would act like a one wheel trailer riding on its rear wheel. My $.02 -- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve Churchill Q Q~ Oceanside California /=/\/\ __ 1996 Pacific Coast 800 /===///===/ "Katie" /\ ==\\\PC800 1720 miles and counting \_/--'-'\_/ Peace Be With You <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMA 540514 HSTA 7249 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 10:24:56 -0700 From: "Stephen A. Churchill" To: Rocky Rochambeau CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Battery removal procedure... <3371E96C.5FA8@tetranet.net> <19970508.182748.4319.0.Rochambeau@juno.com> Rocky Rochambeau wrote: > > Someone put a post on the net regarding the battery removal. It was a > special way and quite easy. I have personally taken the battery out for replacement with a new battery simply by opening up the trunk and unscrewing the clamp and negative terminal and finessing it out. I unscrewed the positive terminal after removing it. I think. In any case, I didn't have the manual that said you have to remove the body panels in order to do this so I did it anyway. It's amazing how much can be done when nobody says you can't do it. BTAIM, the standard way of removing body panels first is probably safer. -- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve Churchill Q Q~ Oceanside California /=/\/\ __ 1996 Pacific Coast 800 /===///===/ "Katie" /\ ==\\\PC800 1000 miles and counting \_/--'-'\_/ Peace Be With You <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMA 540514 HSTA 7249 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 10:29:06 -0700 From: "Stephen A. Churchill" To: scotp1965@mdn.net CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Bicycle rack for PC*800? Scot Piper wrote: > > > I don't know about a bike rack, but on a related subject, can you pull a > trailer with a PC800? If so, how complicated (and expensive) is it to > set one up? > > Scot > See the archives and the Netherlands web site for info and PICTURES! On that subject. Abbey! Whatever happened to that hitch that you were going to produce commercially? -- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve Churchill Q Q~ Oceanside California /=/\/\ __ 1996 Pacific Coast 800 /===///===/ "Katie" /\ ==\\\PC800 1000 miles and counting \_/--'-'\_/ Peace Be With You <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMA 540514 HSTA 7249 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 10:34:44 -0700 From: "Stephen A. Churchill" To: Eric York CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Wrecked '89: Good Deal? -Reply > >>> 05/08/97 03:08pm >>> > I've located a wrecked '89 with about 32K miles. I've not looked at the > bike, but the shop (an independent shop) claims all the bike needs is a > new fairing, new mirrors, and new guard covers all round. I asked why > they didn't do the repair and was told they didn't have the time. So, think > this bike is worth consideration? What other damage could the bike have > sustained that is not readily obvious? What would it cost to repair? > Is Tupperware replacement hard? Hard to match paint (or does the > plastic > come prepainted?)? Since I could probably find an '89 in excellent > condition > for about $3500, what should I offer for this bike (I think I can get it for > $1500)? > Why don't you really do a project and leave all the fairing off, polish and plate assorted exposed parts, fabricate from fiberglass a new "tank" cover and create the smooothest cruiser around! Wow! -- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve Churchill Q Q~ Oceanside California /=/\/\ __ 1996 Pacific Coast 800 /===///===/ "Katie" /\ ==\\\PC800 1720 miles and counting \_/--'-'\_/ Peace Be With You <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMA 540514 HSTA 7249 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'AWong18031@aol.com'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: Pc800 in Seattle Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 10:59:53 -0700 Sure I'll check it out. Email me the details. If you want to talk first, call me at 703-0558. I'm booked in meetings all day and won't be back at my desk till 5ish and here till 8pm. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft, Redmond, WA AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140/STOC 478 '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" '96 Honda ST1100 ALT "Trust" ---------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by calvin.linfield.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA23254 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 11:23:13 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 11:23:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael A Jones To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: new windshield and a question I finally did it - bought a Rifle windshield which I installed on Tuesday. So far I think it is wonderfully quiet. I find that I prefer to ride with the face shield open on my helmet - to get some air and that open feeling. The only problem is that I find the little plastic word RIFLE (in white letters on the front of the windshield base) to be somewhat ugly. I am tempted to pop it off with a screwdriver. Has anybody had the nerve to do so? Does it leave an ugly scar? Is anybody else annoyed at providing advertising for Rifle? Mike -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 14:50:32 -0400 From: Roger Prince To: PC800 Mail List Subject: Re: PC800: Bicycle rack for PC*800? I have heard that Bushtec, the trailer co., makes a PC specific trailer hitch. Roger > Scot Piper wrote: > > > > > > I don't know about a bike rack, but on a related subject, can you pull a > > trailer with a PC800? If so, how complicated (and expensive) is it to > > set one up? > > > > Scot -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 12:20:09 -0700 From: "Stephen A. Churchill" To: Michael A Jones CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: new windshield and a question Michael A Jones wrote: > Is anybody else annoyed at > providing advertising for Rifle? > No more than providing advertising for Honda. Or did you pull those decals off too. -- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve Churchill Q Q~ Oceanside California /=/\/\ __ 1996 Pacific Coast 800 /===///===/ "Katie" /\ ==\\\PC800 1000 miles and counting \_/--'-'\_/ Peace Be With You <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMA 540514 HSTA 7249 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: advertising From: mike.larson@juno.com (Mike Larson) Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 16:32:10 EDT >>> Is anybody else annoyed at providing advertising for Rifle? I'd say you are probably in the minority. Most Americans pay good money for the privalage of being a walking billboard. Imagine if you were Ralph Lauren and discovered people were willing to spend $100 for a perfectly good $35 sweatshirt because it had your name on it. You'd laugh all the way to the bank. Kids kill each other for jackets that advertise the current sports gods. Don't get me started on people who pay money to have Harley Davidson permanently tattoed on their body. I wonder if they pay Willie G. a licensing fee? Mike Larson -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Fri, 9 May 1997 16:52:44 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 16:59:23 +0000 From: tomp@mmrs.state.ms.us (Tom Patterson) To: CGreenwlt@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Wrecked '89: Good Deal? Clint, Offer 'em $500 and offer to haul it off. It's a write-off insurancewise. All the cautions Gary Klim and Eric York said are true. If you get it I guarantee you can part it out for $2500 or more. Tom Patterson Pearl, MS USA 89 PC800 > CGreenwlt@aol.com wrote: > > I've located a wrecked '89 with about 32K miles. I've not looked at the > bike, but the shop (an independent shop) claims all the bike needs is a new > fairing, new mirrors, and new guard covers all round. Seems the bike went > down on both sides (how do you manage that?). The shop claims the bike rides > fine; it just needs cosmetic repair. I asked why they didn't do the repair > and was told they didn't have the time. > > So, think this bike is worth consideration? What other damage could the bike > have sustained that is not readily obvious? What would it cost to repair? > Is Tupperware replacement hard? Hard to match paint (or does the plastic > come prepainted?)? Since I could probably find an '89 in excellent condition > for about $3500, what should I offer for this bike (I think I can get it for > $1500)? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'Michael A Jones'" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800: new windshield and a question Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 15:25:17 -0700 <> On my Rifle, the logo is drilled through the lower portion of the windshield. If you remove it you'll have a hole. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft, Redmond, WA AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140/STOC 478 '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" '96 Honda ST1100 ALT ---------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: bryceu@MICROSOFT.com Cc: mjones@linfield.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: new windshield and a question From: rochambeau@juno.com (Rocky Rochambeau) Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 23:01:00 EDT I read about the Rifle windshield every day. I am short and love the height of my 96 windshield as I see just above it altho there is noise that stops if I duck down a bit. What benefit would I get from the Rifle? Please comment. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Fri, 9 May 1997 22:26:35 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 22:21:57 -0700 From: "Gregg L. DesElms" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: new windshield and a question Michael A Jones wrote: > > I finally did it - bought a Rifle windshield which I installed on Tuesday. > > So far I think it is wonderfully quiet. I find that I prefer to ride with > the face shield open on my helmet - to get some air and that open feeling. > > The only problem is that I find the little plastic word RIFLE (in white > letters on the front of the windshield base) to be somewhat ugly. > > I am tempted to pop it off with a screwdriver. Has anybody had the nerve > to do so? Does it leave an ugly scar? Is anybody else annoyed at > providing advertising for Rifle? > > > Mike > Wow... even more evidence that I'm one of Rifle's earliest purchasers of the windscreen for the PC800. I have no Rifle logo on the front of mine. Gregg DesElms deselms@royal.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Fri, 9 May 1997 22:36:10 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 22:31:29 -0700 From: "Gregg L. DesElms" To: Rocky Rochambeau CC: bryceu@microsoft.com, mjones@linfield.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: new windshield and a question Rocky Rochambeau wrote: > > I read about the Rifle windshield every day. I am short and love the > height of my 96 windshield as I see just above it altho there is noise > that stops if I duck down a bit. What benefit would I get from the > Rifle? Please comment. It's more upright so the wind is deflected over (or at least very nearly over, depending on its height) your head more effectively. It is also broader at the base the a bit flatter. The three features combine to make a better and quieter wind block with less buffeting around behind you and less of a vacuum in front of you. Add to that the fact that you can get it in smoke or clear and it's just a better deal all 'round. Anyone else care to comment? Gregg DesElms deselms@royal.net -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: hmkvbw@rica.net (Harry Kellam) Subject: PC800: Convoy to Rider Rally @ Pocono Mts Cc: EstesCS@88ABW.WPAFB.AF.MIL Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 01:29:48 -0600 Anyone interested in riding to the Pocono Mts. Rally on Friday May 23rd.from the Virginia/Maryland/NC/WV area. If so than let get together om time of meeting and where. I would suggest in VA or Maryland for a meet up spot. Any suggestions? "Ole HK" from VA 90 PC - HRCA & HSTA Attn: group. This is a resend. I messed up on my return address. Sorry. I am interested in anyone going to the Rider Rally on Friday from my area of VA Shenandoah Valley of VA 130 miles SW of DC 80 miles north of Roanoke. Anyone going? "Ole HK" from VA -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 00:58:50 +0100 To: schrchll@INETWORLD.NET, Michael A Jones From: Johan Lai Subject: Re: PC800: new windshield and a question Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu My Honda badges are off. Maybe we should start telling people our bikes are from Rubbermaid :) Johan Lai Orange, CA '89 "Cassandra" At 12:20 PM 5/9/97 -0700, Stephen A. Churchill wrote: >Michael A Jones wrote: >> Is anybody else annoyed at >> providing advertising for Rifle? >> > >No more than providing advertising for Honda. Or did you pull those >decals off too. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 06:05:42 -0700 From: "Stephen A. Churchill" To: Johan Lai CC: ericeric@concentric.net, greg501@ix.netcom.com, _spain@edsug.com, jlai@filenet.com, pcrider@mcserver.csun.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, PILEWIS1@concentric.net, "Russell C. Jackson" , 73414.466@compuserve.com Subject: PC800: Re: Ride Rules Johan Lai wrote: > > Lots of suggestions there. Any other comments? If not, I'll > post it up. We can always change them later. > > I guess I subconsciouly blocked out "drag" because it made > me think of some unsightly males in women's clothing or > perhaps someone called me a "drag" in my youth. A slot pilot > on the Blue Angels team is the guy in the #4 position helping > out the boss (#1) keep the formation. He's also the safety > officer on the team. We can use the term "drag", I don't > have a strong preference. > Check out the site http://home.earthlink.net/~jamesdavis/TIP099.html It talks about the "slot" position as being the rider IN FRONT of the "drag" rider. This position is reserved for the least experienced rider so he can be observed by the drag rider who in turn is supposed to be one of the most experienced riders. Gets complicated doesn't it? FWIW I prefer the term "tail" rider but that seems to be of my own creation. Why don't we go with "drag". BTW in you youth didn't you ever want to challenge someone to a "drag" at a stoplight? Also why don't we send the ride gathering info to Alan Taylor-a PCer in Long Beach? (ka2wij@earthlink.net) and see if he wants to come? He's a lurker but he made at least one entry on the PC site. -- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve Churchill Q Q~ Oceanside California /=/\/\ __ 1996 Pacific Coast 800 /===///===/ "Katie" /\ ==\\\PC800 1748 miles and counting \_/--'-'\_/ Peace Be With You <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMA 540514 HSTA 7249 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 06:26:45 -0700 From: Alan Taylor To: schrchll@INETWORLD.NET CC: Johan Lai , ericeric@concentric.net, greg501@ix.netcom.com, _spain@edsug.com, pcrider@mcserver.csun.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, PILEWIS1@concentric.net, "Russell C. Jackson" , 73414.466@compuserve.com Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Ride Rules Stephen A. Churchill wrote: > Also why don't we send the ride gathering info to Alan Taylor-a PCer in > Long Beach? (ka2wij@earthlink.net) and see if he wants to come? He's a > lurker but he made at least one entry on the PC site. Thank's for the consideration, Steve. Johann has been keeping me updated. In fact I've generously added an extra N to his name out of gratitude. At the moment, I'm tentatively in. I'm working through a confidence crisis with Midnight, but it looks like I'll be ready to handle the trip by the 24th, and bringing my SO Andrea. BTW, has a route been selected? Alan > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 06:25:57 -0700 From: "Stephen A. Churchill" To: Rocky Rochambeau CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: new windshield and a question Rocky Rochambeau wrote: > > I read about the Rifle windshield every day. I am short and love the > height of my 96 windshield as I see just above it altho there is noise > that stops if I duck down a bit. What benefit would I get from the > Rifle? Please comment. I'm tall (6'+) and I like my 29" Rifle windshield because I can do exactly what you do with the stock shield. I can see over the windshield when I sit up with the wind hitting the top of my helmet and if I slouch a little I see through the 'shield and the noise dies down significantly. To enable that ability is the purpose for purchasing the replacement 'shield. If you can do it with a stock shield I don't see any point in spending the money for a replacement. IMHO I believe most people short enough to hide behind the stock 'shield feel they are too short to reach the ground from the 31" seat height. What about you? -- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve Churchill Q Q~ Oceanside California /=/\/\ __ 1996 Pacific Coast 800 /===///===/ "Katie" /\ ==\\\PC800 1748 miles and counting \_/--'-'\_/ Peace Be With You <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMA 540514 HSTA 7249 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA04837; Sat, 10 May 1997 12:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 12:04:55 -0400 (EDT) To: schrchll@inetworld.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Helmet laws In a message dated 97-05-05 13:06:14 EDT, schrchll@INETWORLD.NET (Stephen A. Churchill) writes: << The reason that I support helmet laws is that I don't like it when my insurance rates go up because some other rider chooses to be an organ donor. >> That's a very valid point and one that is heavily misunderstood. Most people think this only applies to vehicle insurance, but the real battleground on this front is on the health insurance front since a significant number of the less serious motorcycle accidents are single vehicle in nature and the injuries sustained are not subject to vehicle insurance (except in no-fault states and there you see real pressure on motorcycle rates as a result, usually causing some sort of dispensation for motorcyclists because pressure groups such as AMA claim it is unfair to motorcyclists). AMA goes ballistic when health insurers exclude motorcycle accidents from coverage (along with sky diving, skiing, hang gliding and a plethora of other higher risk activities, BTW) claiming discrimination. It isn't really discrimination, however, it is just a backlash against those of us who choose to indulge in high risk activities by those who don't and don't want to pay the bill for our choice to engage in such activities. FWIW, I support helmet laws, but I would support the right to choose folks if they were willing to take responsibility (financial responsibility) for the choices that they make. I have never been able to get any group of them to accept that proposition (in any realistic way). Note that my example was the increased risk of motorcycling not just helmet use. I take this position on both fronts (all fronts actually). I am willing to accept the risk and take the consequences that flow from my choice. Given that position, I am unwilling to ride without a helmet. It's simply not cost effective IMHO. If someone else wants wants to ride without one and pay the premium for the risks of preventable head injury resulting from a failure to wear a helmet, fine. That cost will almost certainly exceed the cost of an adequate helmet, but that is a choice they could make which would be cost neutral to the rest of society. Regards, <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com by emout11.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA14463; Sat, 10 May 1997 12:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 12:04:51 -0400 (EDT) To: mericat@tetranet.net, pjacobs@coffey.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, rochambeau@juno.com, indian@starklite.com, indian@valiant.cds.tek.com Subject: Re: PC800: Re: helmets In a message dated 97-05-04 13:03:42 EDT, mericat@tetranet.net (mericat) writes: << I know if I have a bad one it probably won't make a difference but it will give me a chance if I have a lesser event. >> Why do you say that? I have seen many many bad ones (unles you define a bad one as one that you don't survive despite safety gear) and have participated in a couple. I owe my life to my helmets. If you frequent motorcycle races, you are bound to see get offs that would be fatal or near fatal without safety gear, that become mere economic events because of it. It is quite common at the track... FWIW, even studies that were obviously designed by the anti-helmet crowd acknowledge their effectiveness in making serious reductions in head injuries. Wear your helmet with confidence and hope you never need it in anger... Regards, <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA24238; Sat, 10 May 1997 12:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 12:04:58 -0400 (EDT) To: scotp1965@mdn.net, bigair@bigfoot.com cc: Pc800@hpc.uh.edu, schrchll@inetworld.net Subject: Re: PC800: Helmet laws In a message dated 97-05-05 22:53:56 EDT, scotp1965@mdn.net (Scot Piper) writes: << Don't know about that since MI has always had a helmet law. But my rates have gone down since I've turned into an old fart (31) and by keeping the same insurance each year so that I can just renew by mail. $43 for 6 months of PL & PD. Not too bad, eh? >> When you think about it, PL and PD do not pay you, the rider, anything in the event of an accident. They are liability coverages for damage you do to someone else. Thus there is no reason why this sort of insurance would be affected in any material way by a helmet law. Since very few motorcyclists have (or are offered) personal injury protection, the coverage that would pay the rider for his/her injuries), Motorcycle insurance is not particularly affected by helmet laws. The real pressure on rates from helmets (and, more importantly, motorcycles in general since only a small portion of the medical costs resulting from motorcycle accidents results from head injuries) is on health insurance which is generally paid by your employer or at least contracted for by your employer (which means that individuals are generally not in a position to bargain over the terms of coverage). There is real activity on this front with the AMA leading the charge that it is unfair to "discriminate" against people who ride motorcycles. They aren't much in interested in hearing about that being a cost of the freedom of choice that they also push on our legislators. Regards, <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA07600; Sat, 10 May 1997 12:30:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 12:30:15 -0400 (EDT) To: BernieK469@aol.com, rochambeau@juno.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu cc: indian@starklite.com, indian@valiant.cds.tek.com Subject: Re: PC800: helmets In a message dated 97-05-03 12:13:36 EDT, BernieK469@aol.com writes: << She claims the X-9 fits to tight for her. She has tried the Shoei 700, but likes the feel of the 200. >> She is probably right. The 200 has the original Shoei shape. The X-9 uses a form factor similar to what is usually called the Arai shape. Having an Arai shaped head, I have both an Arai Quantum E and a Shoei X-9 air. (There is a reason for all of this.) Regards, <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 10:47:40 -0700 From: Robert Steve Delorey To: TedJ101@aol.com CC: scotp1965@mdn.net, bigair@bigfoot.com, Pc800@hpc.uh.edu, schrchll@INETWORLD.NET Subject: Re: PC800: Helmet laws TedJ101@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-05-05 22:53:56 EDT, scotp1965@mdn.net (Scot Piper) > writes: > > << Don't know about that since MI has always had a helmet law. But my > rates have gone down since I've turned into an old fart (31) and by > keeping the same insurance each year so that I can just renew by mail. > $43 for 6 months of PL & PD. Not too bad, eh? > >> > > When you think about it, PL and PD do not pay you, the rider, anything in the > event of an accident. They are liability coverages for damage you do to > someone else. Thus there is no reason why this sort of insurance would be > affected in any material way by a helmet law. Since very few motorcyclists > have (or are offered) personal injury protection, the coverage that would pay > the rider for his/her injuries), Motorcycle insurance is not particularly > affected by helmet laws. The real pressure on rates from helmets (and, more > importantly, motorcycles in general since only a small portion of the medical > costs resulting from motorcycle accidents results from head injuries) is on > health insurance which is generally paid by your employer or at least > contracted for by your employer (which means that individuals are generally > not in a position to bargain over the terms of coverage). > > There is real activity on this front with the AMA leading the charge that it > is unfair to "discriminate" against people who ride motorcycles. They aren't > much in interested in hearing about that being a cost of the freedom of > choice that they also push on our legislators. > > Regards, > <> > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Last week the Missouri legislature voted to rescind the helmet law which has been in effect for some time. - It won't effect my riding habits except in one possible way. In the construction industry, I have found that people who do not wear available safety equipment have a basic disregard for their own safety and the safety of those around them. When I encounter a rider who is not wearing a helmet, I'll stay as far away from him/her as possible. Steve -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA01711; Sat, 10 May 1997 12:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 12:54:30 -0400 (EDT) To: rochambeau@juno.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu cc: indian@starklite.com, indian@valiant.cds.tek.com Subject: Re: PC800: helmets In a message dated 97-05-03 11:28:44 EDT, rochambeau@juno.com (Rocky Rochambeau) writes: << They say to wear a helmet only so long. Innards compress and they begin to smell. Smelliness can be cured by putting a sheet of Downy Fabric Softener inside the helmet before putting it on your dome. >> Rocky, This sounds more like the 43rd round of repetition of something the manufacturers actually said. According to a tech rep from Arai (not in this country) the EPS liner (styrofoam is what you would call it, though that is a brand name) deteriorates over time after exposure to the air. It is not compression that does it -- it will deteriorate on the shelf once it has been removed from its original packaging (which means one that has been on the shelf as a demo at your dealer for two years is really a two year old (out of a 5 year life) helmet. I always insist on a new unit in its original packaging. Regards, <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA13749; Sat, 10 May 1997 13:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 13:00:19 -0400 (EDT) To: eryork@nmsu.edu, pjacobs@coffey.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: helmets In a message dated 97-05-04 12:17:34 EDT, eryork@NMSU.Edu (Eric York) writes: << However, I do wanna say that statistically, there is NO QUESTION that helmets save lives. Also, full face helmets save more lives than half helmets or "puddin bowls". Anecdotes one way or the other are NOT to be used in making this type of decision. >> This is also true anecdotally. I, for one, would be dead or a vegetable if it were not for at least one helmet that sacrificed its life so that I could live. Regards, <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Steve Gross" To: "pc800" Subject: PC800: Ride Rules Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 11:30:48 -0700 Other alternative - rider in front is "point" or "lead," knows the route, knows enough about the gang riding to keep the pace reasonable. Rider in back is "Sweep," also knows the route, makes sure no one gets lost, & can help broken-down riders. One article I read recently recommended "subgroups" of 4 riders, in case traffic, breakdown, etc.. causes a separation. Of course, if ya get too complicated, it's like a Gold Wing Convoy. More complicated than a military supply convoy thru the Mojave! Have fun! Steve Gross - Seattle, WA '90 Pacific Coast "My reality check bounced."` -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 14:44:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: "Stephen A. Churchill" cc: Johan Lai , ericeric@concentric.net, greg501@ix.netcom.com, _spain@edsug.com, pcrider@mcserver.csun.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, PILEWIS1@concentric.net, "Russell C. Jackson" , 73414.466@compuserve.com Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Ride Rules I think you will find the term drag rider dates back to the rider who rode at the very back of the herd on cattle drives. His job was to chase strays and lagards back to the herd. Barre' Barre' Bull Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: schrchll@INETWORLD.NET Cc: rochambeau@juno.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: new windshield and a question From: rochambeau@juno.com (Rocky Rochambeau) Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 14:57:18 EDT You want to know if I have a problem getting my feet on the ground being only 5'2"?? I can get both tippie toes on the grnd solo. W/ wife, being five foot four and a half inches tall at 120 lbs., with her weight aft, I get entire instep on ground. As is the habit I developed with the Indian, I will get my PC foot shifting done before I stop in traffic, and use just my right leg to support the bike, I have had other taller bikes that I could only get only one foot on the ground. But anyone who thinks you have to have both feet flat on the ground to ride a motorcycle is entitled to his thought, but I don't need to and I have had literally dozens of bikes since I started in the summer of 1952 on a 49 Harley at age 13 yrs 8 mos. I don't dare to have both feet on the ground with my Indian, lest the clutch pop out on me. Whether it is strength or a good sense of balance, or learned behaviors or any combination of the above, I don't know, but I have enough of whatever it takes to get the job done. I had an '89 Harley Springer until last summer. I can't do a Gold Wing, THAT I will agree to - that is why I have a PC. NOW as to what you say about keeping the present windshield, and I am very grateful to you and those others who replied, I am prone to keep the one which came with my 96. Thank you for your postings, all. :) On Sat, 10 May 1997 06:25:57 -0700 "Stephen A. Churchill" writes: >Rocky Rochambeau wrote: >> >> I read about the Rifle windshield every day. I am short and love >the >> height of my 96 windshield as I see just above it altho there is >noise >> that stops if I duck down a bit. What benefit would I get from the >> Rifle? Please comment. > >I'm tall (6'+) and I like my 29" Rifle windshield because I can do >exactly what you do with the stock shield. I can see over the >windshield when I sit up with the wind hitting the top of my helmet >and >if I slouch a little I see through the 'shield and the noise dies down >significantly. To enable that ability is the purpose for purchasing >the >replacement 'shield. If you can do it with a stock shield I don't see >any point in spending the money for a replacement. IMHO I believe most >people short enough to hide behind the stock 'shield feel they are too >short to reach the ground from the 31" seat height. What about you? >-- ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Steve Churchill Q Q~ > Oceanside California /=/\/\ __ > 1996 Pacific Coast 800 /===///===/ > "Katie" /\ ==\\\PC800 > 1748 miles and counting \_/--'-'\_/ > Peace Be With You ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMA 540514 HSTA 7249 > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA24435 for ; Sat, 10 May 1997 16:17:11 -0500 (CDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 16:17:11 -0500 (CDT) From: greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers) Subject: Re: PC800: new windshield and a question To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu You wrote: > >Rocky Rochambeau wrote: >> What benefit would I get from the Rifle? Please comment. > I just got a 27" Rifle (on a group purchase from Cycle Design). Now, instead of my entire head being in the slipstream, it hits the top half only. If I slouch a little, I'm in the buffeting zone, and if I really curl up I'm in the totally still, totally quiet zone. I do notice that I can hear my engine now, which is a definite improvement. I'm thinking I should have gotten the 29", so I could be out of the wind and, at worst, in the buffeting zone. I HATE earplugs. Does anyone out there manage to be in the quiet zone and still see over the top? It seems to be impossible. Greg Chambers -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sat, 10 May 1997 17:17:19 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: EstesCS@88ABW.WPAFB.AF.MIL From: hmkvbw@rica.net (Harry Kellam) Subject: PC800: PC800 vs 89 Gold Wing Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 17:17:19 -0600 Cory, I need your help and the help of others on the "PC800 list". I have a chance to get an 89 Gold Wing 1500 w/ reverse, radios etc with only 7500 miles for $2500 and my 90PC with 10,000 miles in perfect shape. The PC has a new front tire with 50 miles on it, K177 Dunlop. Rear tire great shape. The Gold Wing will have brand new Dunlop Elite II on it as well in the $2500 deal. The tires on it are K177 and are in great shape. I don't have the speaker helmets but the bike is equipted. For the "PC800 List". Guys and gals I need your advice. Is this a good deal or not. I am 63 and concerned if I can handle the extra weight. I am not a speed demon. Enjoy the Sport touring group but I have trouble staying up, without riding over my head. Most of my riding was done years ago on Penton dirt bikes in the trails around here. My road riding is limited and I am getting back into it. My wife likes to ride with me however I like to go on long rides solo as well. The comfort of the Wing and the deflection of air and the extra "goodies" are great. My real concern is, if I take it easy, am I getting a bike that is too heavy for me at this age of my life. I am very active, walking, Seadooing, water sking etc. I need some answers so I can make this decision. HELP. "Ole Hk" from VA HSTA & HRCA member. Wife Barbara -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 20:43:27 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Greg Chambers CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: PC800: new windshield and a question Greg Chambers wrote: > Does anyone out there manage to be in the quiet zone and still see over > the top? It seems to be impossible. It is, although there is an alternative to suffering with buffeting noise during the heat of summer... ...remove the windshield altogether. (This should instigate a comment or two...) ;-) gk ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net ________________________________________________________________________ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 20:50:35 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Harry Kellam CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 vs 89 Gold Wing Harry Kellam wrote: > The comfort > of the Wing and the deflection of air and the extra "goodies" are great. My > real concern is, if I take it easy, am I getting a bike that is too heavy > for me at this age of my life. IMHO, get a tall windshield for your PC (Honda or otherwise) and you'll probably forget about the Wing. I feel that the Wing crosses the line between being a bike and a two-wheeled car. gk ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net ________________________________________________________________________ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 21:09:03 -0700 From: "Stephen A. Churchill" To: Barre Bull CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Ride Rules Barre Bull wrote: > > I think you will find the term drag rider dates back to the rider who > rode at the very back of the herd on cattle drives. His job was to chase > strays and lagards back to the herd. > Yeehaw! Get them mavericks in line thar! -- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve Churchill Q Q~ Oceanside California /=/\/\ __ 1996 Pacific Coast 800 /===///===/ "Katie" /\ ==\\\PC800 1000 miles and counting \_/--'-'\_/ Peace Be With You <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMA 540514 HSTA 7249 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 21:40:41 -0700 (MST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: rbailey@primenet.com (Randy D. Bailey) Subject: PC800: Windshield Polish Is there a way to polish the Rifle windshield to get rid of all the little tiny scratches that really show up when riding facing the sun? Without washing the entire bike, what's the best way just to clean the windshield without doing damage to it? ============================================================== Randy D. Bailey rbailey@primenet.com R.D. Bailey Marketing & Communications Phone: (602) 940-9539 4612 W. Jupiter Way Fax: (602) 940-9539 Chandler, AZ USA 85226 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 00:38:04 -0500 From: mericat To: Harry Kellam CC: EstesCS@88ABW.WPAFB.AF.MIL, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 vs 89 Gold Wing Harry Kellam wrote: > > Cory, I need your help and the help of others on the "PC800 list". > > I have a chance to get an 89 Gold Wing 1500 w/ reverse, radios etc ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I was sitting here tonight looking at your letter and I looked at it a couple of times and thought I should write. I am 62, just started riding for the first time 3 years ago. I was afraid of the Gold Wing when I first saw it and frankly I still am. I am 6ft, 190 lbs and am fairly strong (age considered) but.....that is alot of bike and a cumbersome machine. I have 2 bikes today. My 90 pc800 and a BMW Kl00LT. I do long rides as well. I started on the PC 3 years ago, going all over the west and into canada on the PC. I logged 8,000 miles in one month on a camping trip throughout the west and another 4,000 a couple of weeks later. I have done basically the same thing on the BMW. But that PC made it up and over Red Mountan Pass in western Colorado in spite of having to slow to 12 miles an hour on a steep accent because of an old (really old) church bus in front of me that was having trouble going up.. At no time did I feel that the bike was going to fail me. I would love the sofa comfort of a Gold Wing as well but..... Maybe it is wise to be a little more cautious as we get older. I use a Widder vest that connects to a cord that is connected to the battery. Just plug it in when I need it. I had a problem with the wind hitting me in the face. I like to ride with the face plate open. I got the Saeng (sp?) windshield stripping and I have no more problem. If i wanted, there are tape rigs that could be strapped to the gas tank and I have seen PC's with tape decks installed in the bike but I feel no need for it. I have the radio on the BMW and am surprised at how little I use it. Motorcycles are a newly discovered treasure for me and I want to enjoy it as long as I can and in line with that I have to look at my own limitations whether real or imagined. There is a Honda-Yamaha dealership in Omaha. The original owner is now dead. He had over the years ridden and owned every bike you could think of. He made the comment to me one time, "a Gold Wing is a great bike if you are going in a straight line from point a to point b" When I knew him his bike was an 89 PC and that was his bike til the end. JJ Rieder -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id DAA29818; Sun, 11 May 1997 03:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 03:42:03 -0400 (EDT) To: rochambeau@juno.com, bryceu@microsoft.com cc: mjones@linfield.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: new windshield and a question Rocky: If you like what you got, stick with it. The original Honda Wind Screen may work well for shorter drivers, as if could of been tested by the Japanese, who are normally in the 5'6" range. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 08:04:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: Harry Kellam cc: EstesCS@88ABW.WPAFB.AF.MIL, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 vs 89 Gold Wing Harry, If the Wing is in as good a condition as you say, go for it. You should have no problem handling it either as Wings tend to be one of the most rider friendly bikes around especially for long distance. If you can handle a SeaDoo I'm sure you can handle a Wing. Besides, if you can afford 2 bikes, keep the PC for those times you'd like a little sportier ride. Check out the review in the American Motorcylist this month on the wing. Barre' Barre' Bull Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us On Sat, 10 May 1997, Harry Kellam wrote: > Cory, I need your help and the help of others on the "PC800 list". > > I have a chance to get an 89 Gold Wing 1500 w/ reverse, radios etc with > only 7500 > miles for $2500 and my 90PC with 10,000 miles in perfect shape. The PC has > a new > front tire with 50 miles on it, K177 Dunlop. Rear tire great shape. > > The Gold Wing will have brand new Dunlop Elite II on it as well in the > $2500 deal. The tires on it are K177 and are in great shape. I don't have > the speaker helmets but the bike is equipted. > > For the "PC800 List". > > Guys and gals I need your advice. > Is this a good deal or not. I am 63 and concerned if I can handle the extra > weight. > > I am not a speed demon. Enjoy the Sport touring group but I have trouble > staying up, without riding over my head. Most of my riding was done years > ago on Penton dirt bikes in the trails around here. > > My road riding is limited and I am getting back into it. My wife likes to > ride with me however I like to go on long rides solo as well. The comfort > of the Wing and the deflection of air and the extra "goodies" are great. My > real concern is, if I take it easy, am I getting a bike that is too heavy > for me at this age of my life. I am very active, walking, Seadooing, water > sking etc. > > I need some answers so I can make this decision. HELP. > > "Ole Hk" from VA > > HSTA & HRCA member. Wife Barbara > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Sun, 11 May 1997 14:14:35 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: "Shadow group" , "PACIFIC COAST GROUP" Subject: PC800: Jokes Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 10:07:03 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Labor pains > > >Date: Monday, May 05, 1997 1:48PM > > > > > > > > >A married couple went to the hospital to have their baby delivered. > > >Upon their arrival, the doctor said he had invented a new machine > > >that would transfer a portion of the mothers labor pain to the father. > > >He asked if they were willing to try it out. They were both very much > > >in favor of it. The doctor set the knob to 10% for starters, > > >explaining that even 10% was probably more pain that the father had > > >ever experienced before. But as labor progressed, the husband felt > > >fine, so he asked the doctor to go ahead and bump it up a notch. > > >The doctor then adjusted the machine to 20% pain transfer. The husband > > >was feeling fine. The doctor checked the husbands blood pressure and > > >pulse and was amazed at how well he was doing. At this they decided to > > >try 50%. The husband continued to feel quite well. Since it was > > >obviously helping out his wife considerably, he encouraged the doctor > > >to transfer ALL the pain to him. The wife delivered a healthy baby with > > >virtually no pain. She and her husband were ecstatic. > > > > > >When they got home, the mailman was dead on their porch. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com by emout01.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA29173; Sun, 11 May 1997 10:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 10:54:29 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu cc: rbailey@primenet.com Subject: Re: PC800: Windshield Polish "Cycle Plastic Polish and Protectant" by Eagle One is the best way to maintain a Wind Screen. To clean a very dirty wind screen without washing it I suggest "Klean 'n Shine" from Johnson Wax. "Klean 'n Shine" is also very good for removing road grim from the PC, particularly the glop that accumulates under the radiator and below the crash pegs. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 00:14:53 +0800 From: Poh Yu Seung To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: a silver surprise and some stress Hi everyone, stopped by at the local bike shop today and he had a SILVER PC. Yup, top half metallic silver, bottom half a darker shade of silver! The guy didn't look friendly so I didn't ask the origin, but it was definitely new. New plastic wrappers over the windsheild, and seats. Just below the Honda decal near the wing mirror, there were the two words 'Sport Tourer'. It had disk brake covers, so it's not the '97. Any one have any ideas? Also, got my new seat and original blank speaker panels three days ago. ( The last owner butchered the bike to istall a stereo) My '95 black and busted is getting the busted parts replaced a few at a time.... happiness.... :) But unfortunately an old problem resurfaced today. Those of you who responded earlier to my query about a 'sewing machine' like sound which only develops when I push the rpm to 5500 and above for more than 10 minutes will remember this. So I flushed out the radiator. Nothing unusual, just a few black pepper like specks, not milkyness in the old coolant. Then I changed engine oil and noticed a tiny pinch of metal filings at the magnetic drain plug in the oil sump. But the oil (Mobil 1) was completely black after 4000 miles Current oil level (Esso 4T synthetic) when cold, is exactly at the maximum mark. When hot, the level drops to about the halfway point. (All this done on the main stand and dipping the stick in without turning) Externally, the engine blocks do not bleed/leak oil at all. (no oil in the floor in the mornings) My bike's got 30k miles on the clock. So what's wrong? I'm at a loss and even the local Honda agent can't tell me what's wrong. Does anyone hear this 'sewing machine' like sound when cruising above 5500 rpm for extended stretches? Or is there something wrong with my bike..... :( hoping someone can tell me what's going on in there. Yu Seung from Singapore -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by pauline.infonie.fr (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA18812 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 20:49:21 +0200 (MET DST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Georges Basselet" To: Subject: PC800: Pacific Coast Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 20:50:39 +0200 Georges Basselet Rue Haut-Douy 166 4430 Ans Belgique geobass@infonie.be=20 Je vends pour cause de sant=E9(op=E9ration de la moelle =E9pini=E9re) , = une moto pacific coast 1990 full options ,bulle sp=E9ciale ,top case,spoiler arri=E8re,becquet = etc...,full options couleur blanche =E9tat impeccable 28.000kms ,certificat de conformit=E9 pour la Belgique Faire ofre Prix =E0 discuter de=20 santé(opération de la moelle épiniére) , une = moto=20 pacific coast 1990

full options ,bulle = spéciale ,top case,spoiler arrière,becquet etc...,full = options=20 couleur blanche

état = impeccable 28.000kms=20 ,certificat de conformité pour la Belgique

Faire ofre Prix = à=20 discuter

-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:15:50 +0200 (MET DST) To: saintlaurent@nationscredit.com (Saint Laurent, Francois), pc800@hpc.uh.edu (pc800) From: Gerard Diepeveen Subject: Re: PC800: Colors of PC800's >I was wondering if anyone here knows what colors the PC was ever >available in, both in Canada and Europe. (Gerard Diepeveen?") In Europe th bike did come in White, Red and Black and in France there was also a light blue version, but I did never see one myself. Gerard Diepeveen 0000 0000 0 0 Gerard Diepeveen '89 White 0 0 0 0 00 0 Pacific Coast Netherlands 0000 0 0 0 0 ---------- Visit the ---------- 0 0 0 0 00 Honda Pacific Coast Netherlands 0 0000 0 0 webpage http://www.dsv.nl/~pcn/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 18:39:00 -0700 From: Robert Steve Delorey To: Harry Kellam CC: EstesCS@88ABW.WPAFB.AF.MIL, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 vs 89 Gold Wing Harry Kellam wrote: > > Cory, I need your help and the help of others on the "PC800 list". > > I have a chance to get an 89 Gold Wing 1500 w/ reverse, radios etc with > only 7500 > miles for $2500 and my 90PC with 10,000 miles in perfect shape. The PC has > a new > front tire with 50 miles on it, K177 Dunlop. Rear tire great shape. > > The Gold Wing will have brand new Dunlop Elite II on it as well in the > $2500 deal. The tires on it are K177 and are in great shape. I don't have > the speaker helmets but the bike is equipted. > > For the "PC800 List". > > Guys and gals I need your advice. > Is this a good deal or not. I am 63 and concerned if I can handle the extra > weight. > > I am not a speed demon. Enjoy the Sport touring group but I have trouble > staying up, without riding over my head. Most of my riding was done years > ago on Penton dirt bikes in the trails around here. > > My road riding is limited and I am getting back into it. My wife likes to > ride with me however I like to go on long rides solo as well. The comfort > of the Wing and the deflection of air and the extra "goodies" are great. My > real concern is, if I take it easy, am I getting a bike that is too heavy > for me at this age of my life. I am very active, walking, Seadooing, water > sking etc. > > I need some answers so I can make this decision. HELP. > > "Ole Hk" from VA > > HSTA & HRCA member. Wife Barbara > > -- >I'm 66. Last year I traded my 82 GW for my 90 PC. One of the reasons was that every once in a while I'd get the GW a bit over center and it was a struggle to get it balanced right. I never "lost it" but... I love my PC but in spite of all this, if someone offered me the deal you have, I'd take it and give the GW another try. If you discover the GW is too heavy, you can sell it in the next year or two for more than you'll have in it. Steve -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: mericat@tetranet.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 vs 89 Gold Wing From: rochambeau@juno.com (Rocky Rochambeau) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 19:38:44 EDT On Sun, 11 May 1997 00:38:04 -0500 mericat writes: >Harry Kellam wrote: >> >> Cory, I need your help and the help of others on the "PC800 list". >> >> I have a chance to get an 89 Gold Wing 1500 w/ reverse, radios etc >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >I was sitting here tonight looking at your letter and I looked at it a >couple of times and thought I should write. I am 62, just started >riding >for the first time 3 years ago. I was .... HEY YOU ALL, they make a set of retractible landing wheels for the Gold Wing. Designed and built by a Gold Wing rider who is also a pilot and aircraft design guy. Look into it. Me, I will take the PC> Had a nice ride today. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: rbailey@primenet.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Windshield Polish From: rochambeau@juno.com (Rocky Rochambeau) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 19:38:43 EDT You go to a bike shop or small airport and get Meguiars or McGuires or however it is spelled plastic polish. It is what is used to take the miniscule scratches out of aircraft canopies and it will also polish up the windshield as well. Wash bugs off with a wet and I mean wet terrycloth towel. Then dry with same. Don't use paper towels as they have wood fibers in them and that is too rough. An optician will tell you that about even kleenex. Good luck. On Sat, 10 May 1997 21:40:41 -0700 (MST) rbailey@primenet.com (Randy D. Bailey) writes: >Is there a way to polish the Rifle windshield to get rid of all the >little >tiny scratches that really show up when riding facing the sun? > >Without washing the entire bike, what's the best way just to clean the >windshield without doing damage to it? > > >============================================================== >Randy D. Bailey rbailey@primenet.com >R.D. Bailey Marketing & Communications Phone: (602) 940-9539 >4612 W. Jupiter Way Fax: (602) 940-9539 >Chandler, AZ USA 85226 > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: hmkvbw@rica.net Cc: EstesCS@88ABW.WPAFB.AF.MIL, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 vs 89 Gold Wing From: rochambeau@juno.com (Rocky Rochambeau) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 19:38:43 EDT Hey come to Fairfax and meet John Baldus who is my neighbor. He has a Gold Wing and is 65 or 66> It is not a matter of age, but of inseam length and leg strength. You could do some leg exercises if your legs are weak (running, weighted squats etc). John is only about 5'8". Sit on the thing and rock it from side to side a bit to see how the weight feels. You are not old! Puhleeeze. I am 59 and I run and lift weights and can't tell the difference between me now and when I was 18 except I go to bed earlier, don't do it as often and I am a bit grumpier. Age is a state of mind. Now go try on that Gold Wing! Grandpa Doc Rocky On Sat, 10 May 1997 17:17:19 -0600 hmkvbw@rica.net (Harry Kellam) writes: >Cory, I need your help and the help of others on the "PC800 list". > >I have a chance to get an 89 Gold Wing 1500 w/ reverse, radios etc >with >only 7500 >miles for $2500 and my 90PC with 10,000 miles in perfect shape. The PC >has >a new >front tire with 50 miles on it, K177 Dunlop. Rear tire great shape. > >The Gold Wing will have brand new Dunlop Elite II on it as well in the >$2500 deal. The tires on it are K177 and are in great shape. I don't >have >the speaker helmets but the bike is equipted. > >For the "PC800 List". > >Guys and gals I need your advice. >Is this a good deal or not. I am 63 and concerned if I can handle the >extra >weight. > >I am not a speed demon. Enjoy the Sport touring group but I have >trouble >staying up, without riding over my head. Most of my riding was done >years >ago on Penton dirt bikes in the trails around here. > >My road riding is limited and I am getting back into it. My wife likes >to >ride with me however I like to go on long rides solo as well. The >comfort >of the Wing and the deflection of air and the extra "goodies" are >great. My >real concern is, if I take it easy, am I getting a bike that is too >heavy >for me at this age of my life. I am very active, walking, Seadooing, >water >sking etc. > >I need some answers so I can make this decision. HELP. > >"Ole Hk" from VA > >HSTA & HRCA member. Wife Barbara > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: geobass@infonie.fr Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: TRANSLATION FROM FRENCH PC800: Pacific Coast From: rochambeau@juno.com (Rocky Rochambeau) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 19:38:44 EDT On Sun, 11 May 1997 20:50:39 +0200 "Georges Basselet" writes: > >------=_NextPart_000_01BC5E4C.FC139B00 > >Georges Basselet >Rue Haut-Douy 166 >4430 Ans Belgique >geobass@infonie.be=20 >Je vends pour cause de sant=E9(op=E9ration de la moelle =E9pini=E9re) >, WHAT HE IS SAYING HERE IS "I AM SELLING DUE TO MY HEALTH,"= >une moto pacific coast 1990 >full options ,bulle BUBBLE, BLISTER, SEAL sp=E9ciale ,top case,spoiler arri=E8re,becquet = >etc...,full options couleur blanche COLOR IS WHITE >=E9tat impeccable 28.000kms ,certificat de conformit=E9 pour la >Belgique BELGIAN CERTIFICATE OF CONFORMITY TO INSPECTION STANDARDS. >Faire ofre Prix =E0 discuter LET US DISCUSS YOUR OFFER. > > >------=_NextPart_000_01BC5E4C.FC139B00 > > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > >

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Faire ofre Prix = >à=20 >discuter

> > > >------=_NextPart_000_01BC5E4C.FC139B00-- > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 18:56:26 -0700 From: Robert Steve Delorey To: "Randy D. Bailey" CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Windshield Polish Randy D. Bailey wrote: > > Is there a way to polish the Rifle windshield to get rid of all the little > tiny scratches that really show up when riding facing the sun? > > Without washing the entire bike, what's the best way just to clean the > windshield without doing damage to it? > > ============================================================== > Randy D. Bailey rbailey@primenet.com > R.D. Bailey Marketing & Communications Phone: (602) 940-9539 > 4612 W. Jupiter Way Fax: (602) 940-9539 > Chandler, AZ USA 85226 > > --I've had good results with NOVUS plastic polish. It's available from J.C. Whitney. The kit comes with two grades of polish. One for the scratches and the other for finishing. About $8.00 to $10.00 for the kit if I remember correctly. Steve -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 19:08:18 -0700 From: "Alexander D. Gray" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Radiator Flush Ok Gang. This list has taught me alot about my bike and now I need help once again. My bike has 14k miles on it and I think I should flush the radiator (the dealer did it at 7k), am I right? Ok, you guys have taught me to change my oil, change my drive shaft oil, install my battery and much much more. Now I'm asking on specific details on how to change my coolant and flushing my radiator. Thanks Gang! -- ------------------------------------------------ Alexander D. Gray in Denver, Colorado Texas Tech University.....Southern Methodist University You can see pictures of me and my '94 Honda Pacific Coast Motorcycle at http://www.dsv.nl/~pcn/pictures.htm -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Mon, 12 May 1997 04:17:49 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: "Saint Laurent, Francois" , "pc800" , "Gerard Diepeveen" Subject: Re: PC800: Colors of PC800's Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 20:17:36 -0400 That's funny because I say a light blue PC for sale in the MC Shopper. I assumed that it had been painted. I might call him/her to find out. Vince ---------- > From: Gerard Diepeveen > To: Saint Laurent, Francois ; pc800 > Subject: Re: PC800: Colors of PC800's > Date: Sunday, May 11, 1997 3:15 PM > > >I was wondering if anyone here knows what colors the PC was ever > >available in, both in Canada and Europe. (Gerard Diepeveen?") > > In Europe th bike did come in White, Red and Black and in France there was > also a light blue version, but I did never see one myself. > > Gerard Diepeveen > 0000 0000 0 0 Gerard Diepeveen '89 White > 0 0 0 0 00 0 Pacific Coast Netherlands > 0000 0 0 0 0 ---------- Visit the ---------- > 0 0 0 0 00 Honda Pacific Coast Netherlands > 0 0000 0 0 webpage http://www.dsv.nl/~pcn/ > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 11:57:16 EST From: James Hyder Subject: Re: PC800: Colors of PC800's ** Reply to note from Gerard Diepeveen Sun, 11 May 1997 21:15:50 +0200 (MET DST) >>I was wondering if anyone here knows what colors the PC was ever >>available in, both in Canada and Europe. (Gerard Diepeveen?") >In Europe th bike did come in White, Red and Black and in France there was >also a light blue version, but I did never see one myself. I saw a lovely forest green PC on the streets of Paris in the Fall of 1994. Just zoomed by me, so I couldn't determine whether it was factory color or a repaint, but it looked really nice. On the subject of the Rifle name on the windshield, I was concerned about that when I bought mine last summer (I was expecting people to come up to me and say, "I've never heard of a Rifle motorcycle), so I was pleased that it had none. (I bought the color matched base. That may make a difference.) But since the original Honda windshield had the Honda name logo, I bought some white 1" tall self-adhesive logos ("Honda") and applied one above the grill. One of the first things I did when I bought the bike was pull the "Pacific Coast" decals off of the trunks. (Within a few weeks of doing that, I pulled into a gas station in Pittsburgh and was asked by another customer, "What's the difference between that bike and a Pacific Coast?") At the time I thought that name made me look too much like a yuppie. I kind of regret it now. But probably not enough to shell out about $50 for replacements. --James Hyder Columbia, MD USA '89 PC800, bought new in '91, 26K+ miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:56:55 -0700 From: "Stephen A. Churchill" To: James Hyder CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Rifle logo James Hyder wrote: > On the subject of the Rifle name on the windshield, I was concerned about > that when I bought mine last summer (I was expecting people to come up to me > and say, "I've never heard of a Rifle motorcycle)... I actually have had that experience. Passer-by was real impressed with my "Rifle" motorcycle but then seemed confused when I told him it was a Honda. -- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve Churchill Q Q~ Oceanside California /=/\/\ __ 1996 Pacific Coast 800 /===///===/ "Katie" /\ ==\\\PC800 1748 miles and counting \_/--'-'\_/ Peace Be With You <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMA 540514 HSTA 7249 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ramin Keyvan" Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 10:47:27 -0700 "PC800: Rifle logo" (May 12, 9:56am) To: schrchll@inetworld.net, James Hyder Subject: Re: PC800: Rifle logo Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Happy Monday all! :-) Never lose sight of the fact that these are the same kinds of people who think Barney is a cultural icon and who thought Ralph Nader was on their side. That should put comments like "I've never heard of a Rifle motorcycle before" into perspective. :-) Cheers, Ramin On May 12, 9:56am, Stephen A. Churchill wrote: > Subject: PC800: Rifle logo > James Hyder wrote: > > On the subject of the Rifle name on the windshield, I was concerned about > > that when I bought mine last summer (I was expecting people to come up to me > > and say, "I've never heard of a Rifle motorcycle)... > > I actually have had that experience. Passer-by was real impressed with > my "Rifle" motorcycle but then seemed confused when I told him it was a > Honda. > -- > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Steve Churchill Q Q~ > Oceanside California /=/\/\ __ > 1996 Pacific Coast 800 /===///===/ > "Katie" /\ ==\\\PC800 > 1748 miles and counting \_/--'-'\_/ > Peace Be With You > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMA 540514 HSTA 7249 > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >-- End of excerpt from Stephen A. Churchill -- ------------------------------------------------------ |Ramin Keyvan | Voice: 415-846-5169 | |Member Technical Staff/ | FAX: 415-846-1228 | |Release Group | Main #:415-846-5000 | |ramin@tibco.com | Beeper:800-SKY-GRAM | |http://www.tibco.com | Beeper Pin #: 471-3186# | ------------------------------------------------------ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by pauline.infonie.fr (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id BAA22015 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 01:23:26 +0200 (MET DST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Georges Basselet" To: Subject: PC800: Vente Pacific coast Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 19:10:56 +0200 Monsieur, J'ai reçu un message de chez vous pour l'annonce de ma moto ,je ne comprends pas votre message Voulez-vous bien me donner plus amples explicationn ,car je ne sais pas parler ni écrire en anglais. Merci de votre compréhension. Au plaisir de vous lire. Georges Basselet Rue Haut-Douy 166 4430 Ans Belgique geobass@infonie.be -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: jhyder@erols.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Colors of PC800's From: rochambeau@juno.com (Rocky Rochambeau) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 19:32:03 EDT Gerard Depardieu? Oh I know it is not he who is the famous actor, but its close. By the way, speaking of seeing one in Paris, I stopped a PC800 rider in Martinique. He'd just pulled out of a dirt road leading back to some really boss townhouses and I told him I had a PC etc etc but I did not think to tell him of the e-mail brotherhood. So I put it on here once in Eng. and Fr. and no reponse so I guess he is not on. He may have been a European snowbird with a townhouse and PC there. Eh bien.... -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 21:16:47 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Vincent Santamaria CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: PC800: Jokes Vincent Santamaria wrote: > > Subject: Labor pains Let's see, we'll make the Milkman the Harley Rider and the Husband the Ducati Rider. There, now we have at least the pretense of relevancy. I don't usually find laughing an easy thing to do first thing in the morning, but this one did the trick... (No offense to Harley and Ducati owners, well, not much anyway...) ;-) gk ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net ________________________________________________________________________ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA04315 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 21:08:46 -0500 (CDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 21:08:46 -0500 (CDT) From: radarst@ix.netcom.com (Richard A Schuler) Subject: PC800: Finally a tuneup on the Pacific Coast. To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu.Well, today.I.finally.got.around.to.doing.some.much.needed@ix.netcom.com maintenence on my Pacific Coast. To warm the bike up I managed to put in 116 miles flicking through the twisties in South Jersey's Pine Barrens. Then I got down to the work at hand. I started with an oil change (Castrol Syntec Blend 20W-50) and a new Fram filter. I didn't have to feel too guilty about that. The last change was only about two thousand miles ago. The tuneup is where I have been really lax at my duties. It had been 12,500 miles since I last changed spark plugs, air filter, and did the carberator synchronization. I could hardly believe the shape the spark plugs were in. After that many miles they were still nearly new looking, just a bit discolored and worn not more than a few thousandths. The air filter was really dirty. I really hate to change that air filter with the price being so outrageous. I have not yet found any after market air filters for the Pacific Coast. Has any one found a Uni-Filter or K&N or anything else for the PC? The carb synch job was really not needed, but I tweaked it just a bit anyway. Nice how the PC seems to hold it's setting. Next I decided to check the clutch and brake fluids. Hmmmmm...both were pretty reddish brown. Checked my maint. log. I had not changed the fluid ever...with 43,000 miles on my '90 PC. The only tough part was deciding how much tupperware to remove from the bike. The flush and refill was fast and easy. With the plastic removed from the front wheel around the brake calipers I could see that my front brake pads still look pretty decent. Looks like a bit less than half the pad is left, but that isn't bad for 43,000 miles. (Mostly highway...YMMV) I just came back from a little test ride. The PC is running like "Brand New". A tuneup always brings back that extra responsiveness and speed. Now maybe tomorrow I'll flush and change the coolant, then do a good cleaning and wax job. Then I'll be ready for the new riding season. And I guess I'll need to replace the Metzler ML2 on the rear about mid-summer. I am hoping to get about 18,000 miles from it. My last ML2 lasted 15 thousand, but this one seems to be holding up better than the last. Maybe it's because I am keeping higher air pressure in this tire. 42 PSI one up and 47 PSI for two up riding. Yours, Richard "Radar" Schuler RIDE SAFE -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA18486; Mon, 12 May 1997 23:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 23:31:35 -0400 (EDT) To: hmkvbw@rica.net, EstesCS@88abw.wpafb.af.mil cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 vs 89 Gold Wing Well, I'd buy the 'Wing, resell it after a good cleaning for about $6000 and have a party.... Z -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by pluto.open.ac.uk with SMTP Local (PP); Tue, 13 May 1997 08:43:02 +0100 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: J.S.Allan@open.ac.uk (John Allan) To: geobass@infonie.fr Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 08:23:49 +0100 Subject: Re: PC800: Vente Pacific coast geobass@infonie.fr,Internet writes: Translation by John Allan (Hi Folks, I'm in Belgium 1st June for a PC800 Rally and will probably see Georges if you want a message given to him) >Monsieur, Sir >J'ai regu un message de chez vous pour l'annonce de ma moto ,je ne >comprends pas votre message I've had a message from your site about my announcement about my bike, but I dont understand your message. >Voulez-vous bien me donner plus amples explicationn ,car je ne sais pas >parler ni icrire en anglais. Please give me a comprehensive explanationa as I do not speak or write in English >Merci de votre comprihension. Thanks for your understanding >Au plaisir de vous lire. Good to read what you are saying >Georges Basselet >Rue Haut-Douy 166 >4430 Ans Belgique >geobass@infonie.be Bonjour Georges! Je suis un membre de Club PC de Pays Bas et je suis un participant en tour de cote de Belgie en 1 June. Peut etre vous est participant aussi?? (excusez Francais terrible - je suis Ecossaise! John Allan -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: rochambeau@juno.com From: hmkvbw@rica.net (Harry Kellam) Subject: Re: PC800: PC800 vs 89 Gold Wing Cc: chooper@firstsaga.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 04:12:05 -0600 >Where do you live? I live in the Shenandoah Valley,VA close to Harrisonburg,VA.130 miles SW of DC. 80 miles nort on I-81 above Roanoke,VA. I am interested in going to the Poconos in May if we could get a few riders to go together, leaving VA on Friday morning. Anyone interested? -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: saintlaurent@nationscredit.com (Saint Laurent, Francois) To: geobass@infonie.fr (Georges Basselet) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (pc800) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 10:22:47 -0400 Subject: PC800: RE: I responded to the french email from To the PC800 group....This gentlemen sent a message to pc800@hpc.uh.edu regarding his PC800 for sale in Belgium and is now receiving replies from his post. Unfortunately, as he has stated in his attached message below, he does not read or write in english. I have responded to him on behalf of the group indicating that the e-mail address pc800@hpc.uh.edu is a list server address, and that he is reaching a group, not an individual. Bonjour Monsieur Basselet. Mon nom est Francois Saint Laurent, et je suis un de les personnes qui recoit du courrier electronique addresser a pc800@hpc.uh.edu. Cette addresse est l'addresse d'un groupe, et non une personne specifique. Je croix que vous avez recu des reponses a votre message envoyer dernierement concernant la vente de votre motocyclette. Quand nous avons recu ce message, un de les membres de cette liste a traduit le message en anglais pour les autres membres. Il y a seulement trois ou quatre personnes sur cette liste qui parle francais. Si vous recevez de quoi que vous ne comprenez pas, je vous invite de l'envoyer a moi directement a mon addresse de courrier electronique, "fsl@borgconsulting.com" et je ferais mon meilleure pour le traduire piur vous. Merci, et bonne chance avec votre PC800 ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Georges Basselet[SMTP:geobass@infonie.fr] Sent: Monday, May 12, 1997 7:29 PM To: pc800 Subject: PC800: Vente Pacific coast Monsieur, J'ai reçu un message de chez vous pour l'annonce de ma moto ,je ne comprends pas votre message Voulez-vous bien me donner plus amples explicationn ,car je ne sais pas parler ni écrire en anglais. Merci de votre compréhension. Au plaisir de vous lire. Georges Basselet Rue Haut-Douy 166 4430 Ans Belgique geobass@infonie.be -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 08:00:38 -0700 To: "pc800" From: Johan Lai Subject: Re: PC800: Ride Rules At 11:30 AM 5/10/97 -0700, Steve Gross wrote: >Other alternative - rider in front is "point" or "lead," knows the route, >knows enough about the gang riding to keep the pace reasonable. Rider in >back is "Sweep," also knows the route, makes sure no one gets lost, & can >help broken-down riders. One article I read recently recommended >"subgroups" of 4 riders, in case traffic, breakdown, etc.. causes a >separation. We're experimenting with separating the tour guide and the lead functions. What we've discovered is that many of us have not ridden extensively so we're not intimately familiar with places we want to go and it turns out to be an adventure every time. Not that it's bad, as a matter of fact, it's rather enjoyable for everyone even if we get lost. We're talking to each other via the radios the whole time so it doesn't seem so bad. Knowing the route beforehand is definitely the best, but since we can't always scout the route first, it's tough to lead and figure out which way to go while underway. We'll report how this works out. > >Of course, if ya get too complicated, it's like a Gold Wing Convoy. More >complicated than a military supply convoy thru the Mojave! That's no fun :( What we've kinda agreed on is that if we get too big (say 15 or more), we'd break up into subgroups each independent with it's own "lead", "guide", and "drag". My guess is we can probably handle 8 or 9 in a group. > >Have fun! > Definitely!! Johan Lai Orange, CA '89 "Cassandra" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 07:55:35 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: PC800: new windshield and a question At 04:17 PM 5/10/97 -0500, you wrote: >Does anyone out there manage to be in the quiet zone and still see over >the top? It seems to be impossible. It is possible with one more modification: Saeng edging. It will lift the air stream 2-3 inches above what the windshield alone will do. Of course, it has drawbacks. It increases the turbulence of the buffeting zone, so if you are not out of it with it, it will be a noisy ride (and will increase the fuel consumption of your bike by about 0.5 mpg average). It costs about $10 a foot (which is all I have, centered on the Rifle shield) and for me it blocks the precise spot where I want to watch for incoming potholes on road construction stretches (I take it off if needed, put it back on when I'm past it). It does have one more benefit: I've been told it cures the "melted dash" syndrome on the tall Hondaline shield. FWIW. Juan "We few, we happy few, we band of PC Riders" -- With apologies to William Shakespeare ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '93 ArcticCat Panther DLX University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 08:09:18 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: PC800: Windshield Polish At 09:40 PM 5/10/97 -0700, you wrote: >Is there a way to polish the Rifle windshield to get rid of all the little >tiny scratches that really show up when riding facing the sun? I use the Novus system. First the #3 for deep scratches and gouges (if any), #2 for fine cratches, #1 to clean it and keep it that way. >Without washing the entire bike, what's the best way just to clean the >windshield without doing damage to it? On the road, I carry a square foot of chamois, damp. When we stop I soak it with water and drape it over the bug covered shield and let it soften the little carcasses, then I wipe it clean with constant rinsing of the chamois. This is much better than using dirt ladden squeegees (sp?) or ,ugh, paper. I also do this on my faceshield. Juan >============================================================== >Randy D. Bailey rbailey@primenet.com >R.D. Bailey Marketing & Communications Phone: (602) 940-9539 >4612 W. Jupiter Way Fax: (602) 940-9539 >Chandler, AZ USA 85226 > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > "We few, we happy few, we band of PC Riders" -- With apologies to William Shakespeare ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '93 ArcticCat Panther DLX University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: VicarDon@aol.com by emout03.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA27032 for PC800@hpc.uh.edu; Tue, 13 May 1997 12:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 12:32:30 -0400 (EDT) To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Debate Over? I recently read some interesting facts about the controversy over motorcycle specific oil vs. automobile oil. Most recently in the June '97 issue of Motorcycle Cruiser, page 86. It appears that oil meeting current American Petroleum Institute (API) standards SH, SJ do not contain adequate protection for motorcycle engines. Honda, according to this article, warns against using any oil that is energy-conserving and has the SH or SJ standards. The reason that SH/SJ standards are causing problems in m/c engines is that they are increasingly designed to conserve fuel and protect catalytic converters. To do this they contain little or no zinc or phosphorus (the most effective extreme-pressure and anti-wear additives). When you consider this, plus the fact that the oil in a m/c engine must do more than in an auto engine such as lubricate the transmission and clutches. Also, a lower volume of oil must clean, cool and lubricate a higher revving engine and usually at a higher temperature in the m/c engine. The article goes on to state that oils without extreme-pressure and anti-wear additives (as in most recent SH,SJ standards) are causing problems in m/c engines such as: -slippages of clutches and back-torque limiters transmission gear and camshaft wear -pitting -actually seem to get worse fuel mileage -run less smoothly on current auto oils There must be some reason that Castrol and Pennzoil are now marketing motorcycle-specific oil. Maybe MOBIL 1 will follow? Honda, along with Kawasaki and Suzuki, prefer the SF standard. Also none of motorcycle manufactures recommend oils lighter than 10W-30, and most prefer a 20W for warm-weather use according to this article. The last time I purchased oil I noticed that Honda's blend of synthetic and mineral oil now contains a molybdenum which helps protect the engine during start-up. Until I learn more, this is the oil I will be using in my PC. Don Bowery '97 PC800, 2,700 miles See You at the HOOT! -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:17:45 -0700 From: "Stephen A. Churchill" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Windshield Polish > >Is there a way to polish the Rifle windshield to get rid of all the little > >tiny scratches that really show up when riding facing the sun? > I've found the Honda spray-can plastic cleaner is great for getting rid of the superfine scratches that only show going into the sun. It doesn't seem to buff out the scratches but rather fill them in smooth like a wax. For actual scratches you will need to use a polishing compound like the Novus system but for the fine stuff that you normally can't see until the light is just right, this stuff is perfect. I used to clean my windshield with Windex and had these things show but now I use the plastic cleaner exclusively and I no longer have the fine "haze/scratches". I think its because the Windex cleans it too well, though I've heard the ammonia is not good for polycarbonate. BTW, NEVER use paper to clean plastic. Cellulose is abrasive to the current clear plastics (including eyeglasses with scratch protection!). I use small terry towels I bought in a bulk pack. I can wash them and reuse them. Old T-shirts are great also. Don't use fabric softener when you wash/dry them. It softens the fabric by coating the fibers with an oil/wax mixture. The towel/t-shirt won't soak up as well and it will leave a fine haze like smeared fingerprints. > >Without washing the entire bike, what's the best way just to clean the > >windshield without doing damage to it? >Juan Goula wrote: > On the road, I carry a square foot of chamois, damp. When we stop I soak it > with water and drape it over the bug covered shield and let it soften the > little carcasses, then I wipe it clean with constant rinsing of the chamois. > This is much better than using dirt ladden squeegees (sp?) or ,ugh, paper. > I also do this on my faceshield. > Juan, What do you do with the wet, bug-guts laden chamois when you finish cleaning the 'shield? I don' wanna see the bottom of your trunk. Seriously, I agree it's good to soften up petrified carcases. I'm not sure where on the Rockwell hardness scale chitin rates but it can't be good to scrape their little dried bodies across the plastic. -- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve Churchill Q Q~ Oceanside California /=/\/\ __ 1996 Pacific Coast 800 /===///===/ "Katie" /\ ==\\\PC800 1785 miles and counting \_/--'-'\_/ Peace Be With You <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMA 540514 HSTA 7249 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Alex Vrenios Subject: PC800: Hi! To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 14:51:47 -0700 (MST) Hi, I am new to the list. Per instructions, here are the details: Name: Alex Vrenios Location: Phoenix, Arizona Email: vrenios@asu.edu PC Model year (if you have one): waiting for 1998 color info Bought Used/New: Modifications made to bike: As you can see I don't have a PC yet, but I've found the web site and some of the comments in the archives to be very helpful. Especially of interestto me was the warnings about the tall optional wind screen from Honda, that the Rifle equivalent was a better choice... There are not a lot of options, as you all know, but a review that I read had only one negative comment: taller riders might want to get the taller wind screen because the short standard one provides them with a blast of air in the chest. While I'm just 6'1" I guess that qualifies me as a taller rider, so I looked into it and decided it might be a good option to include with the purchase. I certainly will not do that now. I have the 800 number for Rifle thanks to all of you. My dealer suggests that the color for '98 will be known in November. If you know anything about Phoenix, that's a good time to get a bike here anyway. While I liked the 94-95 (black) colors, I can't quite bring my- self to like the 96-97 red. It looks like they change every two years, so I'll wait and see... -- Regards, Alex Vrenios Distributed Algorithms Vrenios@asu.edu "Think globally, act locally." -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 21:41:06 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: PC800: Lighter Socket / Trunk Pivot Well, the "weak link" that determines the length of my riding season is one step closer to being eliminated. This evening I installed a cigarette lighter socket just below the fairing pocket door, into which I'll be plugging in heated gloves this fall/winter. I used 3 conductor 18 AWG line cord, which provides double insulation as well as making for a tidy looking installation. 1/4" male "Fast-Ons" are a perfect fit for the accessory connector near the main fuse under the seat. The lighter socket is a marine item with a rubber plug to seal the recess when not in use. I'm using the "switched" connection for the socket at the moment, but I ran all 3 connections should I ever feel the need or urge to have 12 VDC available with the ignition off. (i.e.: charging battery during winter) I took some photos, but since I've yet to buy a digital camera, the pictures will be forthcoming the old fashioned way...wait to use up film then send to developer... While I had the side panels off, I thought it would be a good idea to grease the trunk pivot. Both sides showed no evidence of ever having been greased at the factory! The paint had worn through and the very beginning of metal to metal wear had begun. ('96 PC, 5,032 miles, almost a year old) Any list members out there that use Widder or Gerbing gloves? Opinions? Thanks in advance. gk ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net ________________________________________________________________________ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 02:53:04 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 06:53:05 +0000 From: BJ Strass To: Pacific Coast Owners Group Subject: PC800: Saeng Edging Just my 2 cents worth. I have used the Saeng edging on 4 different bikes and found it to work very well. Just make sure it is pushed on well as it seems on when it is not. As for air seats, I have used a nice unit sold in many stores specializiing in "back" products. It is basically a mini Thermarest mattress in a brushed nylon slip cover. I is easily air adjustable and the cover is easy to mount on a seat. It is designed to be used as a back support. -------------------------------- BJ Strass Sacramento, CA. ------------------- '90 PC 800 '81 CX 500 C ----------------------------------------- "If werent all crazy, we would go insane" -Jimmy Buffet -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: new windshield and a question From: timmacy@juno.com (Timothy B Macy) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 17:53:18 EDT On Fri, 09 May 1997 12:20:09 -0700 "Stephen A. Churchill" writes: >Michael A Jones wrote: Is anybody else annoyed at providing advertising for Rifle? > >No more than providing advertising for Honda. Or did you pull those decals off too. My son's got a black Shadow 600VLX. He hates stickers; sanded his tank down and repainted it to get rid of the Honda logo. Tim Portland, OR '94 PC800--48,475 Miles and Riding "I built my body to carry my brain around" - Sylvester Stallone -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Over The Top... 75-76,82-83,92-93,99-100,106-107,114-115,125-126,138-139, 146-147,156-157,163-164,172-173,184-185,191-192,202-203,210-215 From: timmacy@juno.com (Timothy B Macy) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 17:53:18 EDT Nan was late. Again. Not that this was unusual; her staff was always trying to squeeze too many patients in too short a period of time. Medical emergencies don't follow timetables either. I usually don't mind; my schedule is hectic enough that I'm surprised that the day is gone when she walks in the door. But today was different. Nan was giving a talk at a symposium at Kah-nee-ta, a resort on the Warm Springs Reservation, and she had to be there by 8:30 in the morning. Kah-nee-ta is only 150 miles from Portland, and normally I'd recommend riding over in the morning. But half the battle (and it seems like half the time) is getting through Portland, so I had convinced Nan that we should ride the StealthMobile over the night before. Since she would be done by 10:30AM we would have the entire day to play. So I mapped out a course that would snag us two of the sites that were on the itinerary for the Grand Tour; we could get two more pages stamped. We would be home by dinnertime, which would allow Nan to get a good night's sleep. Good thing, too, since her partner was going to be at Kah-nee-ta on Friday and Nan had to cover for her at the clinic. We had figured on getting away from home no later than 5:30pm since we were riding to Madras, which is 25 miles south of the resort. Being the "thrifty" sort that I am, I couldn't feature paying $150 for a room when a perfectly serviceable motel could be had for $40. So I called her clinic and discovered that she was dealing with an emergency. Jeez, what an inconsiderate patient to have a problem now! So I checked the air in the tires again, re-packed my meager belongings, and paced. Nan called at 6:00; she was leaving for home that very minute. Good thing, too, since she didn't need reminding that we were going to leave half an hour ago. But I reminded her anyway. Just in case she had forgotten. At 6:30 she called again. A problem had come up that she had to deal with right away; she promised that it would only take a few minutes and she'd be on her way home. I told her that my blood pressure was nearing Critical Mass and I needed a prescription for Valium. Nan failed to see the humor in that. I also reminded her again that we were supposed to have left at 5:30. Couldn't help myself--it just sorta slipped out. When Nan walked in at 7:00 PM she had convinced herself that it was too late to take the StealthMobile; we'd have to drive. I would have nothing of that, though. If we got on the road by 7:30, we'd be there by 10:30, have time for a late dinner, and get a good night's sleep. Nan capitulated; she knows when it's useless to argue. It had been a nice day with the temps in the upper 60s, which was a nice break from the three preceeding days of rain. As we rode along the Columbia River heading east from Portland, however, there were rain clouds scudding along over the Cascades to the east of us. Our fastest route was on Hwy. 26, which went over the top of the pass on Mount Hood. Earlier in the day I had called the #900 that gave Pass Reports, and the Recorded Voice had assured me that there was no snow and the road was clear and dry. Being the suspicious sort, I also got the phone number of a Chevron station at Government Camp, which is at the top of the pass. The Unrecorded Voice assured me that although it had been snowing earlier, none of it was sticking on the road. Sandy is unofficially the Gateway to Mount Hood; many of its shops and stores cater to the crowds of people that ski in the winter and play in the woods in the summer. East of Sandy the road is flanked by heavy timber growth and rushing streams, as Mount Hood receives tons of snow in the winter and the western side of the mountain catches a lot of the rain in the summer as the clouds coming in from the Pacific Ocean are uplifted and dump their load. We would have usually had a beautiful view of the mountain, but clouds obscured its summit. Of course it was now dark. Gee, that may have been a factor too. We had our cold weather gear on, which was prudent since it was also getting very cold as we neared the summit. Traffic was very light. Just past Government Camp the highway turns southeast as it descends off the slopes of the mountain. Right at that point we hit heavy swirling ground fog, which was about six feet thick. There are tall poles along the sides of the road that guide the snowplows; they were the only indications that I had regarding where the road ended and where the dropoff started. At this point there are absolutely no signs of civilization except for the road that we were on. Dark, dark, dark. Just as I figured things couldn't get any worse--they did. It started snowing. Sleety at first, and quickly changing to wet, heavy flakes. It wasn't sticking, though, so it was just an inconvenience; we rode out of it as we got lower down on the mountain. As we cleared the eastern slopes of the Cascades the land flattened out to the western perimeter of the high plains plateau that makes up a good portion of inland Oregon and Washington. The clouds cleared and we were treated to a magnificent sight in the cold eastern Oregon air. The full moon was rising, bathing the eastern sky in its yellow glow. To the west, with a panopoly of glittering stars as its backdrop, the Hale-Bopp comet was clearly visible with its twin tails streaking across the sky. I had my camera along, but there was no way I could capture the scene. So we just drank it in. The rest of the ride to Madras was uneventful; all I had to deal with was Nan's complaints about the cold. We secured a motel room, made it to the restaurant across the parking lot five minutes before closing, and fell into bed at 11:30PM. Sleep didn't come easily; perhaps it was the lady standing in her room's doorway that had a cigarette every half-hour...the smoke smell was driving me nuts. Thursday morning was clear and frosty at 32 degrees. I love eastern Oregon; the terrain and vegetation is very similar to the land around Rapid City. Even though I really enjoy Portland, I think at heart I'm a small town boy. Nan loves small towns too. I could feature us moving to one if we ever decide to leave Portland. If there's any small towns left by then... The ride back to the Warm Springs Reservation was enjoyable because we had plenty of time to get there. When we left Hwy 26 for Hwy 3, which cuts diagonally across the Reservation, Nan started obsessing about whether we were on the right road. Hey...have I ever gotten us lost? Not really wishing for her to answer that, I pressed on until we got to Kah-nee-ta. The road had some delightful curves, but I had heard stories about the reservation police. So I stayed well within the speed limits. The resort is a beautiful and imposing structure built to fit into its surroundings and also provide a commanding view of the valley that it overlooks. Nan had to change clothes and set up for her talk, so I wandered around, took pictures, and escaped into a book that I had brought along. At the conclusion of the talk I was waiting outside of the room when everyone was leaving. I still had my Canyon jacket on, and I kept hearing people say "Oh, that must be her husband." Turns out that Nan was introduced as the speaker who had come to the conference on a motorcycle, and the participants got quite a kick out of that. The image of a professional medical provider on a motorcycle does that to people. We finally got out of there at noon and headed south once again on Hwy 3, hooked up to Hwy 26, and stopped in Terrebonne where one of the Grand Tour stamps was procured. At Redmond we caught Hwy 126 west towards Sisters, which is a beautiful little tourist trap on the eastern edge of the Deschutes National Forest. At Sisters, one can take Hwys 126/20 through the Mt. Jefferson Primitive Area and Wilderness, or Hwy 242 thru the Mt. Washington Wilderness area. We had been on 126/20 before, so we headed towards the junction of Hwy 242. Unelievably, the road was closed! Turns out there had been an avalanche on one of the high passes, so they closed down the entire road. We were really disappointed, as we had heard glowing reports of the beauty of this ride. I was also upset because the Recorded Voice had indicated no problems on Hwy 242. Oh, well, 126/20 is a very beautiful ride, too, so we went over the top on that road instead. There are some very stunning vista points along the way with beautiful views of Mt. Washington and Mt. Jefferson, so we didn't feel too sensory-deprived. At Hoodo Butte we followed Hwy 126 southwest towards Eugene, and we were rewarded with a gorgeous ride with very little traffic to impede us. There were enough twisties to keep me happy, too. We had to thread our way through Eugene traffic, which was a good indication of how much the Eugene/Springfield area has grown. After finally freeing ourselves, we headed west once more on Hwy 126 towards Mapleton, which is nestled in the Coastal Range. At Mapleton we intended upon cutting northeast on Hwy 36, stopping in the teeny town of Swisshome for another stamp in the Grand Tour book. I had ridden Hwy 36 by myself the year before, and was looking forward to sharing it with Nan. It follows a river all the way through the Coastal Range and is a very beautiful ride. At Swisshome we received another shock. Hwy 36 was closed 10 miles ahead due to a massive landslide, and it would probably remain closed for months. By this time it was nearing 4PM, and we were still a good three hours from home. Our only recourse was to follow Hwy 126 down to Florence and follow Hwy 101 up the coast. This would add about 75 miles to our ride. One of the stops on the Grand Tour is Lincoln City, but we hadn't planned on picking it up until Sunday, when we were going to ride down and meet Eric York. Eric was going to be in Lincoln City from Thursday-Sunday for a conference, and e-mailings back and forth had established that we would meet him Sunday morning and ride part of the way with him as he headed home to Ashland. Even though Eric had "graduated" to a ST1100, we figured he was still a good guy since he had shown signs of genuine remorse about selling his '89 PC800. :-}} There was a stiff northwest wind blowing off the ocean, which always spells two things when riding Hwy 101: Capricious gusting on curves which swirled in from any direction due to the cliffs...and the promise of more cold riding. I didn't mind either, however, as one of my favorite roads is Hwy 101. I hate it in the summer, when we are inundated with tourists seeking the "Northwest Experience" and the road is clogged with all manner of traffic. But we were blessed with an almost empty road, and swiftly ate up the miles. Since Nan was cold, she didn't mind my Ricky Roadracer persona and I didn't suffer any slaps on the side of the helmet. I could feel her tense up, however, when I would hit a curve in a "hot" mode that was somewhat beyond her perception of the safety level. We got to Lincoln City at about 8PM. The Grand Tour stop was at a Mo's Restaurant, for which we will be eternally grateful to the ride planners. Mo's is an institution in Oregon, for they have what is quite possibly the best bowl of clam chowder in the world. (Oh, THAT one will bring out some responses!). We tarried a bit, warming up, and Nan put on more of her cold weather gear for the dash home from the coast. When we pulled up to the stop light on Hwy 101 from our side street, a red ST1100 flashed past. By the time we got onto the highway, there were several cars between us and the other bike, but I was determined to catch up with it. In the middle of Lincoln City we pulled abreast of it, and the rider glanced over. I yelled out "Eric?" to which he replied "Tim?" What a chance meeting! We pulled into a gas station and chatted with Eric for about 20 minutes. As it turned out, that chance meeting was even more eventful because foul weather on Sunday prevented us from riding with him. Oh, well, we'll be getting to southern Oregon more than once this summer. Hwy 18 from Lincoln City to Portland was its usual congested self, replete with crazies passing at inappropriate times and racing each other. We hung back and tried to avoid all of the nonsense, preferring to arrive alive. Got home at 10PM, well past when we anticipated, but then again we weren't anticipating two major road closures either. All in all we put on over 600 miles in about 24 hours and had a very good time. Even had a bonus by meeting Eric! Tim Portland, OR '94 PC800--48,475 Miles and Riding -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 16:46:51 EST From: James Hyder Subject: PC800: Buzzing sound Hey guys, Maybe you can help me. In the past week or two, I've started hearing an occasional buzzing sound, like a faint "bbrrraaaaannnngggg" when I slow to a stop. Not every time, just once in a while, and I can't reliably reproduce the situation. It sort of sounds as though something is hitting the fan or vice versa. I looked through the removable side vents, and couldn't see anything that could be coming into contact with the blades. Any ideas? --James Hyder Columbia, MD USA '89 PC800, bought new in '91, 26K+ miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 17:56:10 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: James Hyder CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: PC800: Buzzing sound James Hyder wrote: > In the past week or two, I've started hearing an > occasional buzzing sound, like a faint "bbrrraaaaannnngggg" when I slow to a > stop. You description of the noise sounds as though you might have part of an exhaust baffle reaching resonant frequency as you decelerate. My header pipe in the truck behaved that way after the flange weld broke. Took a while to locate the source as nothing looked visually out of place until I actually started pushing and pulling on the exhaust plumbing. gk ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net ________________________________________________________________________ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RJ1Fox@aol.com by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA12221 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Wed, 14 May 1997 22:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 22:16:31 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: SJ Oils Does anyone have a 97 PC? Can you check the owners manual to see what oil is recommended for the engine? I'd like to know if SJ rated motor oil is not recommended. (How about '96 models?) Fox -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (IPAD 1.14) id 4789400 ; Wed, 14 May 97 22:19:09 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 22:24:21 -0400 From: Scot Piper To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: is this possible? I'm curious about finding an older PC still new in the crate. Does anyone know if this is possible? I know people who have done this before with other bikes - they have found bikes several years old that were never sold. (i.e. a friend bought a '91 Nighthawk in '94, still new in the crate). I'm particial to the red PC, so I guess that means '90 or '94, right? The '94 might be possible. Any thoughts what one would be worth if I could find such a deal? I'll be talking to a Honda dealer this weekend (Gar's Honda in Grand Rapids, MI) to see what PC options he has. Otherwise, has anyone seen a good deal lately on a used PC? Preferably in the MI area. Thanks in advance for any comments. One other question, I was reading in my latest issue of Motorcyclist that Rifle makes 3 different height windshields for the PC, +2", +4", and +6". I hear PC owners talking about 22" shields, etc. Can anyone tell me what the stock height of the PC windshield is? I'm 5'9 and am wondering what size I should get to reduce wind noise if I purchase a PC soon. Finally, on page 86 of the June 1997 issue of Motorcyclist is an add for the Airhawk seat cushion. It's an air cushion made specifically to put over a motorcycle seat. Looks great. It's made by Roho Inc in IL. (800) 850-7646, or e-mail rohoinc@rohoinc.com. Scot '84 Shadow 500 --------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (IPAD 1.14) id 4791600 ; Wed, 14 May 97 22:29:26 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 22:34:37 -0400 From: Scot Piper To: James Hyder CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Buzzing sound FWIW, I had a similar noise on my Shadow 500. Turned out to be the speedometer cable. Lubed it, noise gone. Scot ----- James Hyder wrote: > > Hey guys, > > Maybe you can help me. In the past week or two, I've started hearing an > occasional buzzing sound, like a faint "bbrrraaaaannnngggg" when I slow to a > stop. Not every time, just once in a while, and I can't reliably reproduce > the situation. It sort of sounds as though something is hitting the fan or > vice versa. I looked through the removable side vents, and couldn't see > anything that could be coming into contact with the blades. > > Any ideas? > > --James Hyder > Columbia, MD USA > '89 PC800, bought new in '91, 26K+ miles > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BlueHwy66@aol.com by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) Thu, 15 May 1997 00:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 00:14:22 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: PC800's at Honda Hoot List wide request: Please advise if you will be attending Honda Hoot in Ashville, NC. I will be covering event for Motorcycle Tour and Cruiser (formerly Motorcycle Tour and Travel) and am a PC rider. I would be interested in getting some bikes together for photos for a future article on PC's and would like to have each year represented. Also examples of special modifications sought. Let me know, please. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "bob peterson" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: PC800's at Honda Hoot Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 07:33:34 -0400 We will be at the Hoot from Tues thru Friday. Look us up at the Holliday Inn on Tunnel Road or at the test ride area. Sandy & Bob Peterson ; Gainesville, FL '89PC "Pearl" ---------- | From: BlueHwy66@aol.com | | Please advise if you will be attending Honda Hoot in Ashville, NC. NC.



-- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com by emout01.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id IAA08121 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 15 May 1997 08:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 08:06:47 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: SJ Oils Hi All: A quick check of the service manuals on my '88 Hawk GT and '89 & '90 PCs yields the following: '88 = API SE or SF; '89 & '90 = API SF or SG. It appears that they were simply following along with whatever happened to be the API's latest classifications back in those days. You folks with the newer machines will have to tell us if that trend has continued. Has anybody checked to see what API class the latest HONDA oils are carrying? JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 22:21:59 +0800 From: Poh Yu Seung To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: a silver surprise and some stress > > Hi everyone, > > stopped by at the local bike shop today and he had a SILVER PC. Yup, > top half metallic silver, bottom half a darker shade of silver! > > The guy didn't look friendly so I didn't ask the origin, but it was > definitely new. New plastic wrappers over the windsheild, and seats. > > Just below the Honda decal near the wing mirror, there were the two > words 'Sport Tourer'. It had disk brake covers, so it's not the '97. > Any one have any ideas? > > Yu Seung fr Singapore -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 08:17:18 -0700 From: "Stephen A. Churchill" To: RJ1Fox@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: SJ Oils RJ1Fox@aol.com wrote: > Can you check the owners manual to see what oil is recommended for the > engine? I'd like to know if SJ rated motor oil is not recommended. > > (How about '96 models?) My 1996 Owners Manual reccommends SF or SG. It doesn't say anything about SJ. With all the traffic I've seen on this subject I think I'll change out my Mobil 1 15-50 SJ for some Honda oil. It's not a real concern yet because I plan to change oil twice as often as they reccommend anyway (3-4k vs 8k). Plus I just changed about 1k mi ago anyway. Except for the cost, I don't mind because changing the oil is one of the few things I can do myself. I get some satisfaction from that. On the subject of doing your own maintenance... I've read about synchronizing the carburators...carberators...carborators...carb synching, but I also hear about rejetting kits. I this the same thing? If not, what exactly is rejetting and what is it's value for the PC? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve Churchill Q Q~ Oceanside California /=/\/\ __ 1996 Pacific Coast 800 /===///===/ "Katie" /\ ==\\\PC800 1835 miles and counting \_/--'-'\_/ Peace Be With You <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMA 540514 HSTA 7249 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 22:27:10 +0800 From: Poh Yu Seung To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Help..... Hi everybody, > Unfortunately an old problem resurfaced today. Those of you who > responded earlier to my query about a 'sewing machine' like sound which > only develops when I push the rpm to 5500 and above for more than 10 > minutes will remember this. > > So I flushed out the radiator. Nothing unusual, just a few black pepper > like specks, not milkyness in the old coolant. > Then I changed engine oil and noticed a tiny pinch of metal filings at > the magnetic drain plug in the oil sump. But the oil (Mobil 1) was > completely black after 4000 miles > Current oil level (Esso 4T synthetic) when cold, is exactly at the > maximum mark. When hot, the level drops to about the halfway point. > (All this done on the main stand and dipping the stick in without > turning) > Externally, the engine blocks do not bleed/leak oil at all. (no oil in > the floor in the mornings) > My bike's got 30k miles on the clock. So what's wrong? I'm at a loss > and even the local Honda agent can't tell me what's wrong. > > Does anyone hear this 'sewing machine' like sound when cruising above > 5500 rpm for extended stretches? Or is there something wrong with my > bike..... :( > > hoping someone can tell me what's going on in there. Yu Seung from > Singapore -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 10:09:16 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC800: Bummer! Well folks, now that I finally got my bike out and it is about to go out of warranty, I decided I was going to let the Honda technician figure out the noise I've been hearing for the past 15k miles. He called me yesterday, and said that he found: All shock bushings worn out, and (urgh) a broken shock bolt =:-0! It seems I've been taking a bigger risk than I thought I was all this time when I rode the PC. Sigh... I guess I won't get to ride this weekend. So, when you are out on the road, think of me. Also, a word to the wise. If you have any doubts about the integrity of your rear suspension, have it checked. I don't believe the Alaska Highway had anything to do with that broken bolt. Dang! There goes the image of my PC being "nigh indestructible" ;-) On other news, my current project is bound to make PC riders around the world very happy. I will let everyone know if it was successful on Monday (since I will obviously will have the time to work on it). Kepp your fingers crossed! Juan "We few, we happy few, we band of PC Riders" -- With apologies to William Shakespeare ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '93 ArcticCat Panther DLX University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 19:12:57 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: schrchll@INETWORLD.NET CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: PC800: SJ Oils Stephen A. Churchill wrote: > I've read about synchronizing the > carburators...carberators...carborators...carb synching, but I also hear > about rejetting kits. I this the same thing? If not, what exactly is > rejetting and what is it's value for the PC? Jet kits are primarily for feeding the engine the mixture it needs Vs the mixture the government wants it to have. Some bikes do not take kindly to EPA mandated jetting. The most annoying trait is surging and stuttering at some steady state throttle setting. Jet kits also provide 5 needle positions to compensate for altitude, after-market exhaust or less restrictive air filter. The PC does not seem to suffer any of the above mentioned symptoms, although Two Brothers Racing http://www.twobros.com/ sells a jet kit for the PC. BTW, the 650 Hawk GT responds very well to rejetting and after-market exhaust. Had a '90 with a Factory (as in brand name) jet kit and TBR exhaust system and special "black box" which raised the rev limit to 10,200 rpm. gk ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net ________________________________________________________________________ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael S. Brown" To: "PC800" Subject: PC800: 90 PC800 Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 22:12:26 -0500 Hello Everyone! Just got around to reading the paper tonight, found this item in the want ads: For Sale: Honda 90 Pacific Coast, Red/Silver, 3,000 miles, AM/FM radio, excellent, $4,000 319-277-2678 This area code would be in the Iowa City - Cedar Rapids of the State of Iowa. FWIW - those of you who might be looking for a bike. Michael '90 PC800 "ESCAPN" -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA27727; Thu, 15 May 1997 23:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 23:15:55 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Fwd: PC800: Twistar convoy....Last Chance In a message dated 97-05-08 05:01:38 EDT, GuntherSki@aol.com writes: << The following are the details for a group that is heading up North to Spring Green, WI which is about 40 miles West of Madison on Friday, May 16th. If any HSTA'ers or PC800 owners would like to come along, be there or call me for more details. Todd (Chicago) 773-235-0933 Meeting at Amoco Gas Station N/E Corner of Higgins and Barrington Roads, Hoffman Estates Illnois Meeting at 3:00 departing promptly at 3:15 We have a planned backroad route to the site and estimate arrivial in time for registration nad dinner in Spring Green. If there are other HSTA'ers who would like to join the convoy you can forward this to them. Y'all come ! See you there ! T2 >> --------------------- Forwarded message: ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Date: 97-05-08 05:01:38 EDT The following are the details for a group that is heading up North to Spring Green, WI on Friday, May 16th. If any HSTA'ers or PC800 owners would like to come along, be there or call me for more details. Todd (Chicago) 773-235-0933 Meeting at Amoco Gas Station N/E Corner of Higgins and Barrington Roads, Hoffman Estates Illnois Meeting at 3:00 departing promptly at 3:15 We have a planned backroad route to the site and estimate arrivial in time for registration nad dinner in Spring Green. If there are other HSTA'ers who would like to join the convoy you can forward this to them. Y'all come ! See you there ! T2 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 23:29:49 -0400 From: Doug Powell To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: For Sale Hey Everybody, I'm thinking of selling my 89, if I can get $4000.00. Corbin seat, two windshields, givi rack and new tires front and back...Just came back from Orlando, about 600 miles round trip...the bike is great, I just don't need the payment right now. If interested email direct. Later, Doug -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 21:23:59 -0800 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: hey tim tim macy...where'd ya go? Pop me an email..got a question for ya... -- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, AKC http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with ESMTP (IPAD 1.52) id 3925100 ; Fri, 16 May 1997 08:29:54 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 08:29:05 -0400 From: Henry A Ulrich To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Parts? Does anyone out there know a discount parts place for Honda? OEM preffered. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 16 May 97 16:13:11 UT From: "Kenneth Bopp" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: elect. probs/engine kill switch failure >From Ken in New Orleans Hey man, I also have been experiencing engine shut down at different times and it is really frightening. I spoke to my dealer and he said that a couple of pc owners had the same problem traced to a faulty engine kill switch. My bike is a 90. Am waiting for the switch to come in and will let you know if it solves the problem. I feel it must be the answer because if I put pressure on the run position of the switch when the shut down occurs the bike will fire up again. Ooops I sneezed in my helmet. Ken in New Orleans amandabiker@msn.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 18:34:59 +0200 (MET DST) To: "Kenneth Bopp" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gerard Diepeveen Subject: Re: PC800: elect. probs/engine kill switch failure >Hey man, I also have been experiencing engine shut down at different times >and it is really frightening. I had the same expirience with my CBR600F, it was a short circuit, the damn hing just burnt, no switch left. And when it's gone wont be able to start it or push start it, so meaybe your problem is the same. Gerard Diepeveen 0000 0000 0 0 Gerard Diepeveen '89 White 0 0 0 0 00 0 Pacific Coast Netherlands 0000 0 0 0 0 ---------- Visit the ---------- 0 0 0 0 00 Honda Pacific Coast Netherlands 0 0000 0 0 webpage http://www.dsv.nl/~pcn/ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 20:04:50 -0700 From: Robert Steve Delorey To: Kenneth Bopp CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: elect. probs/engine kill switch failure Kenneth Bopp wrote: > > >From Ken in New Orleans > > Hey man, I also have been experiencing engine shut down at different times > and it is really frightening. I spoke to my dealer and he said that a couple > of pc owners had the same problem traced to a faulty engine kill switch. My > bike is a 90. Am waiting for the switch to come in and will let you know if > it solves the problem. I feel it must be the answer because if I put pressure > on the run position of the switch when the shut down occurs the bike will fire > up again. > > Ooops I sneezed in my helmet. > > Ken in New Orleans > amandabiker@msn.com > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. I would suspect the kill switch. My 90 has had an intermittant problem with the kill switch. I used to use it to shut off the engine. Then I read the users manual and discovered that I'm supposed to use the key for that. Evidently the kill switch is not made for constant use, only emergencies. So if you use it often, it wears out in a few years. Steve -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com by emout02.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id FAA07886; Sat, 17 May 1997 05:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 05:56:13 -0400 (EDT) To: hank@hamptons.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Parts? In a message dated 97-05-16 08:30:19 EDT, hank@hamptons.com (Henry A Ulrich) writes: << Does anyone out there know a discount parts place for Honda? OEM preffered. >> I buy from Honda Milpitas in Milpitas CA. They really do discount as opposed to a number of people who advertise discounts but charge straight book retail. 406-263-6060 (they also have an 800 number but I only have that at work where I place my orders). Examples of pricing, BTW include 5.67 for oil filters (OEM) in case lots (10 filters) and 20% off on shop manuals. I recently bought a set of PC shop manuals from them for a friend in England who couldn't even order the PC shop manual from his dealer there. I hope this helps. Regards, -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com by emout01.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id FAA20094; Sat, 17 May 1997 05:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 05:56:12 -0400 (EDT) To: BernieK469@aol.com, rochambeau@juno.com, bryceu@microsoft.com cc: mjones@linfield.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: new windshield and a question In a message dated 97-05-11 03:43:40 EDT, BernieK469@aol.com writes: << f you like what you got, stick with it. The original Honda Wind Screen may work well for shorter drivers, as if could of been tested by the Japanese, who are normally in the 5'6" range. >> It was way too short for my wife who is only 5'4"... Regards, <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id FAA03815; Sat, 17 May 1997 05:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 05:56:12 -0400 (EDT) To: rbailey@primenet.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Windshield Polish In a message dated 97-05-11 00:42:00 EDT, rbailey@primenet.com (Randy D. Bailey) writes: << Is there a way to polish the Rifle windshield to get rid of all the little tiny scratches that really show up when riding facing the sun? >> Maguires has a series of polishes that do a very good job on Rifle shields. You need at least two of them to get the job done (there are a total of 4 of various grits)... Regards, <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id FAA19331; Sat, 17 May 1997 05:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 05:56:11 -0400 (EDT) To: greg501@ix.netcom.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: new windshield and a question In a message dated 97-05-10 17:19:34 EDT, greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers) writes: << Does anyone out there manage to be in the quiet zone and still see over the top? It seems to be impossible. >> Greg, Yeah, I do. I have a shield that puts my wife entirely in the quiet zone and puts me at a position where I can look over it if I stretch a bit, but am completely quiet if I sit normally (a bit of a slouch for me). It is the 22" (27" total) Rifle screen and I am about 5'11" (but with a rather tall torso and short stubby legs)... Regards, <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA14367 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sat, 17 May 1997 12:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 12:40:17 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: new windshield and a question Hi all: I think that a lot of the grumbling about the PC's stock shield, while certainly valid from one point of view, could be based on a misunderstanding of the original intent of those who designed it. I believe that the stock shield was never intended to be a "Touring" windscreen, which is what most of those who bought the machine here in the U.S. apparently want. Rather, it was intended to be oriented more toward the "Sport" end of the spectrum, where riders generally prefer that their helmet be in the ambient airstream. That is, they want a screen that provides upper torso protection rather than the full protection coveted by the touring rider. The problem is, of course, that the stock screen (while aesthetically pleasing) is simply too tall to fill that sporting bill and too short to fill the touring bill. For most riders, myself included, the stock screen puts the turbulent layer on or just below the helmet, making for a noisy ride at best. Some riders (again, myself included) have experimented with cut-down shields, and they work much better than the stock shield in the "sporting" mode. Honda's optional tall shield was intended to meet the needs of the "Touring" rider. For many it does, but for others who want even more protection, the Rifle system does the trick. It is, in the final analysis, all a matter of personal preferences. Personally, I use the tall Honda screen in the winter and a cut-down stock screen in the summer. That way I get touring-level protection when it is cold and plenty of airflow when it's hot. Now, if Honda (or anyone else) would just make an aethetically attractive, adjustable shield (ala BMW and Suzuki) with that range of movement, I'd really be happy. JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 15:13:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Nick Witzell To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: new windshield and a question JT, How tall are you? Do you ride with your back ramrod straight? I am 69 inches and have the tall screen... never had a stock screen on my bike. When I am refreshed I look over the screen but as I get tired... I start to look through it. What size did you cut the stock screen to? Thanks, Nick Ride with a friend. __ __/o \__ \____ \ __ //\ \ __/o \-//--\ \_/ \____ ___ \ | || \ |\ | _|| _||_|| On Sat, 17 May 1997 JTSMCRIDER@aol.com wrote: > Hi all: > > I think that a lot of the grumbling about the PC's stock shield, while > certainly valid from one point of view, could be based on a misunderstanding > of the original intent of those who designed it. > > torso protection rather than the full protection coveted by the touring > rider. The problem is, of course, that the stock screen (while aesthetically > pleasing) is simply too tall to fill that sporting bill and too short to fill > the touring bill. For most riders, myself included, the stock screen puts > the turbulent layer on or just below the helmet, making for a noisy ride at > best. Some riders (again, myself included) have experimented with cut-down > shields, and they work much better than the stock shield in the "sporting" > mode. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 17 May 97 20:01:06 UT From: "Kenneth Bopp" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "Gerard Diepeveen" Cc: rochambeau@juno.com Subject: RE: PC800: elect. probs/engine kill switch failure ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Gerard Diepeveen Sent: Friday, May 16, 1997 11:34 AM To: Kenneth Bopp; pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: elect. probs/engine kill switch failure >Hey man, I also have been experiencing engine shut down at different times >and it is really frightening. I had the same expirience with my CBR600F, it was a short circuit, the damn hing just burnt, no switch left. And when it's gone wont be able to start it or push start it, so meaybe your problem is the same. Gerard Diepeveen 0000 0000 0 0 Gerard Diepeveen '89 White 0 0 0 0 00 0 Pacific Coast Netherlands 0000 0 0 0 0 ---------- Visit the ---------- 0 0 0 0 00 Honda Pacific Coast Netherlands 0 0000 0 0 webpage http://www.dsv.nl/~pcn/ Just built a jumper using a small wire brad and it works fine. Going to keep it in the tool kit in case it happens again. Took switch out and cleaned the contacts and sprayed the bejeezus out of it with contact cleaner and it seems to be working alright now. Going to get the new switch anyway just in case. My dealer, Garrett Honda, has been very supportive with any problems I have had with the bike. Thanks for the fast replies and offers of help. Appreciate it greatly. Ken in New Orleans amandabiker@msn.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: TedJ101@aol.com Cc: hank@hamptons.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 09:10:25 -0700 Subject: Re: PC800: Parts? From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy) Honda of Milpitas: 1-800-734-2639 www.hondamil.com Richard Hardy, San Diego @juno.com On Sat, 17 May 1997 05:56:13 -0400 (EDT) TedJ101@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 97-05-16 08:30:19 EDT, hank@hamptons.com (Henry A >Ulrich) >writes: > ><< Does anyone out there know a discount parts place for Honda? OEM > preffered. > >> > >I buy from Honda Milpitas in Milpitas CA. They really do discount as >opposed >to a number of people who advertise discounts but charge straight book >retail. > >406-263-6060 (they also have an 800 number but I only have that at >work >where I place my orders). > >Examples of pricing, BTW include 5.67 for oil filters (OEM) in case >lots (10 >filters) and 20% off on shop manuals. I recently bought a set of PC >shop >manuals from them for a friend in England who couldn't even order the >PC shop >manual from his dealer there. > >I hope this helps. > >Regards, > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 17:09:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Nick Witzell To: Kenneth Bopp cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, Gerard Diepeveen , rochambeau@juno.com Subject: RE: PC800: elect. probs/engine kill switch failure Kenneth, The MSF course teaches using the kill switch to shut down... I feel that might not be the best method... but it's their course... and compromise is not part of their agenda. The MSF rear brake training is a bit unrealistic. I feel they should have you lock up the front wheel. It is safer with the training, and removes or reduces the fear of the front break locking up the front wheel syndrome. What a sentence.... I hope my tiny thoughts came thru. Nick Ride with a good friend! __ __/o \__ \____ \ __ //\ \ __/o \-//--\ \_/ \____ ___ \ | || \ |\ | _|| _||_|| -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. with SMTP (IPAD 1.14) id 5253700 ; Sat, 17 May 97 21:37:26 EST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 21:41:34 -0400 From: Scot Piper To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: 1997 PC800 Hi everyone. Just a few thoughts from a busy day at several motorcycle dealerships. First, I found a helmet. At the recomendation of several folks on the PC800 mailing list, I chose the Shoei RF-700. I was deeply disappointed in the others I looked at, and I looked at about 10 different brands. Most are so chincy it's a wonder people buy them. AGV has a nice helmet, but a poor ventilation system. Arai looks nice, but very expensive. So, 2 dealers had the RF-700, but neither had the color I wanted. 1 dealer wanted $299, another wanted $259. I called Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse when I got home, they had the color and size in stock, $199. I ordered my Fathers Day gift early (as I explained to my wife when she walked into the room as I was hanging up the phone and putting my Mastercard away).... :-0 It's my 2nd helmet in 10 years. Last week I ordered a trunk pack from Chaparell (Lockhart Phillips Weekender 2), (anniversary gift). It's great to buy my own gifts - although I do recall someone on the mailing list who's wife bought him a PC800 for his B-day... This trunk pack is for my '84 Shadow 500 since I don't have a nice trunk like the PC's. I'll let everyone know how it works. Finally, I found 2 '97 PC800's today. $8799. That must be close to list. I sat on a '95 in a dealership last year and really liked it. But this '97 really felt different. The seat was pretty hard, and the windshield was very low. Plus it did seem to be a little longer reach to the handlebars (I'm 5'9). I guess I wasn't expecting all of that, but now I clearly understand why so many PC owners change the windshield and seat. Anyhow, I didn't have time to talk with the dealer about finding an older model still in the crate. Will have to follow up on this issue later. Thanks again for all the helmet recommendations. That RF-700 is going to be a very quiet and comfortable helmet. Scot '84 Shadow 500 17,775 miles. PS. Q: What's the difference between a Hoover and a Harley? A: You can only put 1 dirt bag on a Hoover... :- ) ------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: montreal@erols.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Darrel : Re: A Cannonball Baker Road Warning About the Great Pot Hole State From: rochambeau@juno.com (Rocky Rochambeau) Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 21:57:57 EDT --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Darrel To: indian@starklite.com Cc: indian@valiant.cds.tek.com Subject: Re: A Cannonball Baker Road Warning About the Great Pot Hole State Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 17:35:52 -0400 <19970517.105728.7047.1.Rochambeau@juno.com> rochambeau@juno.com wrote: > > In that General Motors has had record profits these past few yrs and Ford > has not been hurting either, you think that these two auto mfrs;, which > are probably Michigan's largest earners, would be contributing enuf taxes > to pay for the finest roads in America. Ha, they probably don't pay > taxes. On this subject of pot holes in the GREAT state of Michigan, there is an uplifting article in the latest "American Motorcyclist" about the Oceana County, MI sheriff that vowed to shutdown pot hole ridden Route 31 in the interest of motorcycle safety. Copies of his letter went out to Mich. DOT, the Gov, two senators and a congressman. It resulted in $400 grand being freed up with work to begin this month! Nothing like the power of the written word. Interested in getting AM? Call 1-800-AMA-JOIN Darrel **************************************************************** * If you wish to ever unsubscribe to this mailing list please * * follow these directions: 1. Send an email message * * to:listmanager@starklite.com ; Subject: * * leave indian (1st line of msg) Thank You and Ride Safe * **************************************************************** --------- End forwarded message ---------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: nick@boreas.whoi.edu Cc: AMANDABIKER@msn.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, pcn@dsv.nl, rochambeau@juno.com Subject: Re: PC800: elect. probs/engine kill switch failure From: rochambeau@juno.com (Rocky Rochambeau) Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 21:57:57 EDT I would not use the kill switch to shut down. It is not there for that. It is there for emergencies. Any device is good for only a limited amount of use. Nothing will last forever. The more you use it, the sooner it will die. Leave it for when you really need it and use your ignition switch for shut down or put your kickstand down to kill your motor. That switch gets turned on and off each time you put the stand down, so no harm in using it. Good luck. Grandpa Rocky On Sat, 17 May 1997 17:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Nick Witzell writes: >Kenneth, > >The MSF course teaches using the kill switch to shut down... I feel >that >might not be the best method... but it's their course... and >compromise >is not part of their agenda. > >The MSF rear brake training is a bit unrealistic. I feel they should >have >you lock up the front wheel. It is safer with the training, and >removes >or reduces the fear of the front break locking up the front wheel >syndrome. What a sentence.... I hope my tiny thoughts came thru. > >Nick > >Ride with a good friend! > > __ > __/o \__ > \____ \ > __ //\ \ > __/o \-//--\ \_/ > \____ ___ \ | > || \ |\ | > _|| _||_|| > > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id GAA22293 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sun, 18 May 1997 06:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 06:48:32 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: elect. probs/engine kill switch failure Hi all: The reasoning behind the MSF's recommendation regarding the routine use of the engine cut-off switch to stop the engine is that in an emergency we always do what we are in the habit of doing (via reflex). If your thumb isn't in the habit of finding and using the switch in a routine manner, then it is most unlikely that you will be able to use it quickly in an emergency. This same principal applies to always using both brakes and many of the other operating routines that are taught in their courses. Another advantage of using the switch routinely, is that you always know either that it works or that it has failed or is failing. Finding out that it doesn't work when you need it to work is not good timing. Everything wears out in time; I'll admit that. But I've been using the engine cut-off switch to stop the engine on all of my motorcycles (at least those that are new enough to have one) for the past 17 years or so (since I started teaching MSF courses), and none has ever failed from overuse. Similarly, the training bikes that are used in the training courses get several years' worth of use in terms of engine starts and stops each training season; yet failure of the engine cut-off switch is very, very rare, even on bikes that are used for many years before they are retired. FWIW, I suspect corrosion from non-use will probably cause these switches to fail quicker than keeping the contacts clean and bright through routine use. JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id GAA23109 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sun, 18 May 1997 06:48:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 06:48:36 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: new windshield and a question Hi NIck: I normally sit pretty straight when I ride (keeps the back from getting tired). I'm just shy of 6 ft tall with a 32" inseam. My normal line of sight is about an inch and a half over the top of the tall Hondaline shield, and the turbulent air hits right at the top of my helmet. Sometimes I slump down a bit for a little peace and quiet, but since I always wear ear plugs, I spend most of my time in the not-so-quiet zone. With the short screen, things are a bit quieter (or at least the dominant frequencies are less bothersome). For the past few years, I've been running in the summer with about 4 inches cut off the stock screen. I've recently acquired an old stock screen from a friend, and I plan to try taking it down a bit at a time to see if there is an optimum height for me. JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 08:39:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave DeLang To: James Hyder Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Buzzing sound On Wed, 14 May 1997, James Hyder wrote: > Hey guys, > > Maybe you can help me. In the past week or two, I've started hearing an > occasional buzzing sound, like a faint "bbrrraaaaannnngggg" when I slow to a > stop. Not every time, just once in a while, and I can't reliably reproduce > the situation. It sort of sounds as though something is hitting the fan or > vice versa. I looked through the removable side vents, and couldn't see > anything that could be coming into contact with the blades. > > Any ideas? > > --James Hyder > Columbia, MD USA > '89 PC800, bought new in '91, 26K+ miles > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > Have you determined that it is not merely plastic? My '90 buzzes at certain rpm/speed combinations due to some of the plastic fingers being broken on the trim piece above the headlight. ( I didn't know that the windshield vent had to come out first...) Also, an addition to an earlier post. I had my fairing completely off this spring, and I found one of the trunk pivot bolts broken in two. By the look of it, it was cross threaded at the factory and snapped there! The head of the bolt was wedged in so that the pivot worked fine, I had to use two screwdrivers to pry it out. P.S. I do have 'naked PC' pictures in the camera, I'll get them on my web-page as soon as I can! Regards Dave DeLang '90 PC 18,200++miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 13:44:26 -0700 From: PILEWIS1 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: PC's in Orlando!! A friend of mine who lives in the Orlando/Cocoa area of Florida, sent me this e-mail > Had a great ride. Saw about six PC's in a group heading south on A1A for a > ride. 3 reds, 1 white, 1 blue and 1 black I think. So there's some of you down > here in Harley country. So, O.K., who's got the blue PC in Florida!!?? Phil So. Cal. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: '97 PC800's From: mike.larson@juno.com (Mike Larson) Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 17:14:12 EDT If anyone in the upper midwest is looking for a new PC, there are two new ones for sale in todays Minneapolis paper. One for $7570 and the other for $7695. Mike Larson mike.larson@juno.com -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Mon, 19 May 1997 00:08:36 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: , Subject: Re: PC800: PC's in Orlando!! Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 20:00:29 -0400 I saw a blue one for sale in the Florida CYCLE TRADER. I'll see if I can find it and give them a call. Vince ---------- > From: PILEWIS1 > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: PC800: PC's in Orlando!! > Date: Sunday, May 18, 1997 4:44 PM > > A friend of mine who lives in the Orlando/Cocoa area of Florida, sent me > this e-mail > > > Had a great ride. Saw about six PC's in a group heading south on A1A for a > > ride. 3 reds, 1 white, 1 blue and 1 black I think. So there's some of you down > > here in Harley country. > > > So, O.K., who's got the blue PC in Florida!!?? > > Phil > So. Cal. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 20:49:38 -0400 From: Doug Powell To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: PC's in Orlando!! Hey all, Just got back from Orlando last Sunday...stayed for a week down by the International Airport. Sorry to say I did'nt see any other PCs my whole trip. I put on about 700 miles and would've done more but I had to pass an appraisal course(at least I tried to pass). Would've loved to have had some company...especially that many PC's together! Ride safe, Doug -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 20:52:07 -0500 From: Jeff Hopkins To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: '95 PC800 for sale 1995 PC800 with 4200 miles. Back rest the only option. Letting it go for the bargain price of $5000. Bike in Lexington Ok., (about 35 south of Oklahoma City). Call Jeff at 405-527-1444. Thanks Jeff Hopkins -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 01:59:44 -0700 From: "Stephen A. Churchill" To: Nick Witzell CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Practicing Front wheel lockups Nick Witzell wrote: > The MSF rear brake training is a bit unrealistic. I feel they should have > you lock up the front wheel. It is safer with the training, and removes > or reduces the fear of the front brake locking up the front wheel > syndrome. Safer with training???? That's like practice bleeding. In the the advanced MSF course they show a video of a rider on a special bike with wide outriggers locking up the front brake. It shows why your idea wouldn't work for a practical exercise on the tarmac for new riders or any riders for that matter. At about twenty miles per hour he locks the front wheel and IMMEDIATELY does a high side only limited by the outrigger. The film is quite dramatic because even though he's riding at a relatively slow speed and in a straight line, it happens so fast. Unlike a rear wheel lockup, a front wheel lockup is not controllable. The only way to prevent a high side with a front wheel lockup is to get off the brake NOW and hope that it hasn't already happened. Frankly, a fear of a front wheel lock-up is a healthy thing. It's kinda like the fear I have of power tools. Every time I use my table saw, (and I do alot of woodwork) I stay afraid of the blade. I'm always aware of it and where I am. I haven't cut off any fingers yet and I intend to keep it that way. I haven't done a highside yet and I intend to keep it that way. If you believe differently, try taking your own bike out to an empty parking lot and hold a lockup on your front wheel at say fifteen miles per hour to practice "control". Be sure to bring a friend with his own car so he can take you to the ER to treat your broken arm/collarbone or possibly neck. Still able to count to ten, -- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve Churchill Q Q~ Oceanside California /=/\/\ __ 1996 Pacific Coast 800 /===///===/ "Katie" /\ ==\\\PC800 1937 miles and counting \_/--'-'\_/ Peace Be With You <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMA 540514 HSTA 7249 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 06:03:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Nick Witzell To: "Stephen A. Churchill" cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: Practicing Front wheel lockups Stephen, Great! A healthy spirited discussion. > Nick Witzell wrote: > > The MSF rear brake training is a bit unrealistic. I feel they should have > > you lock up the front wheel. It is safer with the training, and removes > > or reduces the fear of the front brake locking up the front wheel > > syndrome. > In the the advanced MSF course they show a video of a rider on a special > bike with wide outriggers locking up the front brake. It shows why your > idea wouldn't work for a practical exercise on the tarmac for new riders I have seen that film, and the test driver never gets off the front brake. Thats why the outriggers save his butt. > Unlike a rear wheel lockup, a front wheel lockup is not controllable. > The only way to prevent a high side with a front wheel lockup is to get > off the brake NOW and hope that it hasn't already happened. True, but knowing what has happened as your front wheel snaps over and then getting off NOW... The bike straightens out pronto and your ok... not a crash test dummy. Sort of like when I taught students to spin an aircraft, to help them to be able to recognize what had happened to them, to teach them how to recover, and to build their confidence by being able enter and recover from spins with practice. I hope to never lock another wheel up by accident. So you are right about that. It is no way to stop. > If you believe differently, try taking your own bike out to an empty > parking lot and hold a lockup on your front wheel at say fifteen miles > per hour to practice "control". Be sure to bring a friend with his own > car so he can take you to the ER to treat your broken arm/collarbone or > possibly neck. > Still able to count to ten, This is NOT true. I have locked up a front wheel in a MSF course. I was going about 15 to 20... the wheel slammed over... I got off the brake... it straightened up and I continued along. By the way I passed the course. Although most of us don't race, or plan to, try reading a bit of Keith Code's book "A Twist of the Wrist". Check out his chapter on braking. Thanks for your honest and spirited response... It brought a few things I have been thinking about into focus. Nick -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id IAA20595 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 19 May 1997 08:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 08:23:35 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Practicing Front wheel lockups Hi All: Nick and Steve have an interesting discussion going on this topic, and both have pretty well covered the issues. It is possible to recover from a straight-line front-wheel lockup if you act quickly enough as Nick suggests. On most street bikes you have about 0.4 seconds between the time the wheel locks and you hit the pavement (a bit longer with a cruiser). The problem is that most humans take at least 0.75 seconds to perceive and react to a "surprise" event such as an unintentional lock-up. Consequently, as Steve correctly states, almost nobody recovers from an inadvertant lock-up at the front, even if it is in a straight line on a level surface. Add a sloping surface or a turn to the equation, and the "almost" essentially disappears. However, as Nick points out, you are more likely to recognize what is happening and get off the brake in time if you know what it feels like to lock the front. Unfortunately, there is no way to put such training into a formal course without a hugh investment in outrigger bikes such as the one Keith Code has rigged (it was Keith's bike you guys saw in that video, and he has just one). Also, the insurance would drive the cost out of sight, and people would stay away in droves. But for those who want to experience what a front-wheel skid feels like, there is a relatively safe exercise you may want to try. Basically, you get yourself a disposable aluminum pie pan (like those from a frozen pie). Place it on a suitable level surface like your driveway or a parking lot. Roll the front tire of your bike onto the pie pan. Lock the front brake, put your bike in gear, ease the clutch into the friction zone, and try to ride forward in a straight line. It won't take but a few feet to experience the balance problems that result from not being able to steer the front wheel. By the way, I'd do this only on a small bike or one that you don't mind scuffing up a bit. It is possible for you to get a heavy bike into an "oh, sh**" attitude suprisingly quickly even at very low speeds. Have fun! JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 08:44:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Practicing Front wheel lockups hmmmmm...Sounds like that's coming from a Motorcycle Safety Instructor. ;) But the danger inherent in locking up the front wheel is why students in the MSF basic rider courses are constantly being told to "sqeeeeeeeeze" the front brake, do not grab it. The squeezing of the front brake allows for the proper transferal of weight to the front fork thus allowing for proper traction. The more traction available the less chance of a skid. Barre' Barre' Bull Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 09:03:20 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: schrchll@INETWORLD.NET CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: PC800: Practicing Front wheel lockups Stephen A. Churchill wrote: > Unlike a rear wheel lockup, a front wheel lockup is not controllable. > The only way to prevent a high side with a front wheel lockup is to get > off the brake NOW and hope that it hasn't already happened. Frankly, a > fear of a front wheel lock-up is a healthy thing. Knowing how your bike behaves at or near maximum front braking force could save your life. I agree that new riders should not be taught this as they have yet to develop the skills and experience to safely explore the limits of their bike. For every bike I've owned, one of the first things I've done was to find the amount of braking required to get the front tire "howling". This is a point just shy of lock-up and those of you who've experienced this know what I'm talking about. I managed to lock the front on one occasion, but experience and reflex allowed me to release the brake before any chassis instability set in. Maybe I spent too much time as a kid seeing how far I could front-wheel skid my bicycle on sand... gk ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net ________________________________________________________________________ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 08:30:18 -0800 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: R PC's in Orlando!! whaaaa..you guys are making me homesick.. I lived in Central Florida for 32 years...Got my PurlGurl from Seminole Honda... Actually, NEVER saw another PC, now that I think about it. -- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, AKC http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 11:20:48 EST From: James Hyder Subject: Re: PC800: Parts? ** Reply to note from Henry A Ulrich Fri, 16 May 1997 08:29:05 -0400 > Does anyone out there know a discount parts place for Honda? OEM preffered. I presume you're new to the list, Henry, or you'd've seen my recent ravings about Cycle Designs in Phillipston, MA. Great prices, great people. averTage of 30% below the prices at my local dealership. Tell them you're a member of the PC list serve. Their number is 800-343-1374. --James Hyder Columbia, MD USA '89 PC800, bought new in '91, 26K+ miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 08:33:55 -0800 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Re: Practicing Front wheel lockups if we all put Progressive Springs in our bikes, you wouldn't fly over the handlebars :>) I try and practice 'panic' stops when I get a chance, and use the front brake more than the back. Tho...the ML2's take a lot of abuse before locking.... -- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, AKC http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 11:35:53 EST From: James Hyder Subject: Re: PC800: Buzzing sound I wrote: >> Maybe you can help me. In the past week or two, I've started hearing an >> occasional buzzing sound, like a faint "bbrrraaaaannnngggg" when I slow to >> a stop. Not every time, just once in a while, and I can't reliably >> reproduce the situation. It sort of sounds as though something is >> hitting the fan or vice versa. I looked through the removable side >> vents, and couldn't see anything that could be coming into contact with >> the blades. Dave responded: > Have you determined that it is not merely plastic? My '90 buzzes at >certain rpm/speed combinations due to some of the plastic fingers being >broken on the trim piece above the headlight. ( I didn't know that the >windshield vent had to come out first...) Pretty sure it's not plastic. I'm familiar with all those buzzes. And confirming my suspicion of the fan, it occurred to me that the reason I can't reproduce the buzz reliably, is that the fan isn't on all the time. I'll keep looking and report anything I find. Also, I took apart my auto fuel valve (aka petcock) which was suspected of leaking and causing reduced fuel mileage, and found no pinholes in the diaphragm. However, the screws holding the thing together came out pretty easily, and may have been loose enough to allow some leakage. I'll check this theory the next time I fill up. Then the next most likely culprit is the gas cap. Thanks to Gary for suggesting I check the diaphragm before replacing the whole valve. You saved me $80 or so. Oh. And this past weekend I've given the Chatterbox intercom two good real world tests. You may recall that in my first brief test there was a problem with distortion. Although I could hear her okay most of the time, my friend complained of distortion and couldn't understand me most of the time we were travelling over 60 mph. Since then, I've installed the Rifle windshield (+2") and with two different riders at a variety of speeds had no problems with communicating at all. Except for occasional drop-outs that seemed to be caused by not having the plug for my headset pushed all the way into the jack. QUickly found and fixed. So I recommend the Chatterbox heartily as a good value and good performer. I paid less than $100 for the whole setup. (This is only for driver/passenger communication, not bike-to-bike radio communications.) --James Hyder Columbia, MD USA '89 PC800, bought new in '91, 26K+ miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Mon, 19 May 1997 11:45:18 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 11:52:11 +0000 From: tomp@mmrs.state.ms.us (Tom Patterson) To: schrchll@INETWORLD.NET CC: Nick Witzell , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Practicing Front wheel lockups Nick Witzell wrote: > > The MSF rear brake training is a bit unrealistic. I feel they should have > you lock up the front wheel. It is safer with the training, and removes > or reduces the fear of the front brake locking up the front wheel > syndrome. > Stephen A. Churchill wrote: > > Safer with training???? That's like practice bleeding..... > > .....The only way to prevent a high side with a front wheel lockup is to get > off the brake NOW and hope that it hasn't already happened. Frankly, a > fear of a front wheel lock-up is a healthy thing. This discussion and Gary K's comments sure point up the delemma. How does a rider learn the performance envelope boundaries of his machine? I would want a new student to learn breaking up to the howl and no further. What happens beyond the howl depends a lot on the particular bike. Apparently the PC may be an instant high sider. Some Harleys aren't, for instance. It is a matter of weight distribution, friction surface, etc. Some slide and some grip. IMO, gripping is more sudden and you probably can't react fast enough. In flight training there is a similar problem, stalls and spins. A spin is a turning stall. The FAA dropped spin training years ago as too dangerous. For a while in the 70's they even discouraged full stalls. They only wanted "approach to stalls" taught. These pilots turned out to be dangerous to themselves because they were "in a stall" before they recognized it. Fortunately, flight examiners were pretty quick to wash these folks and send 'em back for more experience. Bottom line, stalls are dangerous close to the ground but not at altitude. Full lock front breaking has similar dangers. A master rider has got to know what happens but beyond a certain point (the howl) it may be best to learn by films or by watching your buddies demonstrate the maneuver! Tom Patterson Pearl MS, USA 89 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 13:13:19 -0400 From: Joe Beresford Subject: PC800: Practicing Front wheel lockups To: "INTERNET:schrchll@INETWORLD.NET" , "Fellow PC800's" When I was in Daytona Bike week a few yrs ago I watched A team of motorcyle cops from I think Oklahoma, these guys were good... what really impressed me was they were doing Front Wheel lock-ups that looked so easy....but we know better..... I remeber doing a front wheel lock up in a panic stop up in Banff, that's what I think blew my fork seals.... it was no fun...but i was able to keep a striaght line.. FWIW dept.... Joe -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA02628; Mon, 19 May 1997 14:53:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 14:53:25 -0400 (EDT) To: schrchll@inetworld.net, nick@boreas.whoi.edu cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Practicing Front wheel lockups In a message dated 97-05-19 04:59:59 EDT, schrchll@INETWORLD.NET (Stephen A. Churchill) writes: << In the the advanced MSF course they show a video of a rider on a special bike with wide outriggers locking up the front brake. It shows why your idea wouldn't work for a practical exercise on the tarmac for new riders or any riders for that matter. At about twenty miles per hour he locks the front wheel and IMMEDIATELY does a high side only limited by the outrigger. The film is quite dramatic because even though he's riding at a relatively slow speed and in a straight line, it happens so fast. Unlike a rear wheel lockup, a front wheel lockup is not controllable. >> Steve, While I agree that it would be ludicrous to try to teach front wheel lockups in an MSF course, you have way overstated your position. I test braking on my front wheel to a lockup quite often. Moreover, I have locke the front on the track many times. I have only gone down once as a result of it. If you are going straight and are alert, you can learn front wheel lockups quite safely. I recommend that you buy the Team Suzuki Endurance Advanced Driving School tape before trying it, though. David Aldana (the teams lead instructor and a rather famous racer years ago) explains the whys and wherefores and recommends that you learn how. Remember one thing about your advice that fear of front wheel lockups is a healthy thing. The MSF also teaches you that the most common cause of motorcycle accidents that are caused by the operator is using insufficient front brake. Your advice might lead someone right down this path. Learning how to use the front brake effectively is a much better plan. Regards, <> -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 12:26:33 -0700 From: PILEWIS1 To: tomp@its.state.ms.us CC: schrchll@INETWORLD.NET, Nick Witzell , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Practicing Front wheel lockups Tom Patterson wrote: > In flight training there is a similar problem, stalls and spins. A spin > is a turning stall. The FAA dropped spin training years ago as too > dangerous. For a while in the 70's they even discouraged full stalls. > They only wanted "approach to stalls" taught. These pilots turned out > to be dangerous to themselves because they were "in a stall" before they > recognized it. Good analysis on flight training, Tom. With the airlines (of which Delta I am most familiar) we are able to practice a variety of potentially catastophic training scenerios, using simulators. Wouldn't it be nice if could have some type of simulator for practicing hazardoud manuevering on motorcycles!!? Phil So. Cal. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 12:32:08 -0700 From: PILEWIS1 To: TedJ101@aol.com CC: schrchll@inetworld.net, nick@boreas.whoi.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Practicing Front wheel lockups Does any MSF course teach new riders on how to lay a bike down? There are certain conditions when this would be preferable to hitting the object in front of you "head on!" I've only had to do this once in 30 years of riding, but it proved to be a sucessful technique, that day! Phil So. Cal. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 13:38:26 -0700 From: Alan Taylor To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Buzzing sound --------------24E546015333 James Hyder wrote: > > I wrote: > >> Maybe you can help me. In the past week or two, I've started hearing an > >> occasional buzzing sound, like a faint "bbrrraaaaannnngggg" when I slow to > >> a stop. Not every time, just once in a while, and I can't reliably > >> reproduce the situation. It sort of sounds as though something is > >> hitting the fan or vice versa. I looked through the removable side > >> vents, and couldn't see anything that could be coming into contact with > >> the blades. > > Dave responded: > > Have you determined that it is not merely plastic? My '90 buzzes at > >certain rpm/speed combinations due to some of the plastic fingers being > >broken on the trim piece above the headlight. ( I didn't know that the > >windshield vent had to come out first...) > > Pretty sure it's not plastic. I'm familiar with all those buzzes. > And confirming my suspicion of the fan, it occurred to me that the reason I > can't reproduce the buzz reliably, is that the fan isn't on all the time. > I'll keep looking and report anything I find. > > Also, I took apart my auto fuel valve (aka petcock) which was suspected > of leaking and causing reduced fuel mileage, and found no pinholes in the > diaphragm. However, the screws holding the thing together came out pretty > easily, and may have been loose enough to allow some leakage. I'll check > this theory the next time I fill up. Then the next most likely culprit is > the gas cap. Thanks to Gary for suggesting I check the diaphragm before > replacing the whole valve. You saved me $80 or so. > > Oh. And this past weekend I've given the Chatterbox intercom two good real > world tests. You may recall that in my first brief test there was a problem > with distortion. Although I could hear her okay most of the time, my friend > complained of distortion and couldn't understand me most of the time we were > travelling over 60 mph. > > Since then, I've installed the Rifle windshield (+2") and with two different > riders at a variety of speeds had no problems with communicating at all. > Except for occasional drop-outs that seemed to be caused by not having the > plug for my headset pushed all the way into the jack. QUickly found > and fixed. > > So I recommend the Chatterbox heartily as a good value and good performer. I > paid less than $100 for the whole setup. (This is only for driver/passenger > communication, not bike-to-bike radio communications.) > I've found over the years that the most common source of distortion is microphone placement. This not only applies to the chatterbox, but all communication systems. Windsocks reduce the problem, but don't eliminate it. A good rule of thumb is to space the mic 2 finger widths away from your lips. Placing it slightly above or below lip level also works. A note with the chatterbox. the windsocks are not tightly fitted, and can blow off or be knocked off when removing the helmet. A small amount of rubber cement on the stalk at the base of the sock will solve that one. Of course if you have a full helmet system, rather than 3/4 as I do, the windsock problem is solved, but your placement options are more limited. good luck, Alan --------------24E546015333 +++++++++++++++++++++++++ Alan Taylor, Long Beach, CA 95 PC 800 “Midnight” One up is fun, Two up is better, Heads up always ! ++++++++++++++++++++++++ --------------24E546015333-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 15:02:59 -0700 From: Robert Steve Delorey To: tomp@its.state.ms.us CC: schrchll@INETWORLD.NET, Nick Witzell , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Practicing Front wheel lockups Tom Patterson wrote: > ... Full lock front > breaking has similar dangers. A master rider has got to know what > happens but beyond a certain point (the howl) it may be best to learn > by films or by watching your buddies demonstrate the maneuver! > > Tom Patterson Tom, when you say "howl" is this the typical screech of a sliding tire or is this something else? Steve -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Bryce Ulrich , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 17:12:27 EST From: James Hyder Subject: RE: PC800: RE: Fuel Smell Addressed to: Bryce Ulrich pc800@hpc.uh.edu I wrote: > Thanks to Gary for suggesting I check the diaphragm before > replacing the whole valve. You saved me $80 or so. Credit where credit is due: it was Bryce, not Gary who gave me that advice. (Not that Gary hasn't also given me lots of good advice, too...) Thanks Bryce! YOU saved me $80 or so. Now about that gas cap, how is it the vent gets clogged, and can it be fixed instead of replaced? Not that I can't shell out $15 - 20 for a new one, but it doesn't exactly look like a real high-tech part here. --James Hyder Columbia, MD USA '89 PC800, bought new in '91, 26K+ miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 17:41:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: PILEWIS1 cc: tomp@its.state.ms.us, schrchll@INETWORLD.NET, Nick Witzell , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Practicing Front wheel lockups Phil, We have a simulator just for that around D.C. it's called the beltway only it's more along the lines of a live fire simulation! Barre' Barre' Bull Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us On Mon, 19 May 1997, PILEWIS1 wrote: > Tom Patterson wrote: > > > In flight training there is a similar problem, stalls and spins. A spin > > is a turning stall. The FAA dropped spin training years ago as too > > dangerous. For a while in the 70's they even discouraged full stalls. > > They only wanted "approach to stalls" taught. These pilots turned out > > to be dangerous to themselves because they were "in a stall" before they > > recognized it. > > Good analysis on flight training, Tom. With the airlines (of which > Delta I am most familiar) we are able to practice a variety of > potentially catastophic training scenerios, using simulators. Wouldn't > it be nice if could have some type of simulator for practicing hazardoud > manuevering on motorcycles!!? > > Phil > So. Cal. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ramin Keyvan" Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 14:51:48 -0700 "Re: PC800: Practicing Front wheel lockups" (May 19, 2:53pm) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Practicing Front wheel lockups Greetings all: Here's my $.02 worth on this issue. First let me begin by saying that I am a big proponent of practicing emergency situation recoveries. It has saved my envelope-pushing butt on many an occasion!:-) While I agree that it *is* much more desireable to avoid lock-ups of either wheel, as we all know all too well, they do occur. The only remaining question is, how are you going to respond to it? If the answer is "I don't know" then let me know what hospital you end up in and I'll pay you a visit. If your response is "I've practiced this a lot and I know how the bike *feels* during a lock-up", then it is likely that you will spend many years keeping it rubber-side-down. The bottom line in any physical endeavour is "practice, practice, practice". The question this begs is "why?" Tests on neuromuscular reaction times have shown conclusively that your "programmed" sub-consious mind responds to stimuli much faster than your consious mind. This is why when you step on a tack you'll find that you've already pulled your foot away long before you say "ouch". Programming your sub-consious mind to take care of you is a good thing! Have you ever had a near-miss and when it was over you looked back and thought to yourself "how the hell did I pull that off?!" It's your sub-consious mind doing what you had taught it to do long before that incident. While practice doesn't make "perfect" necessarily, it does make "permanent". This was drummed into my head for 12 years+ by my former Karate instructor. His philosophy was that in a real emergency situation you need to be able to "just do it". Otherwise, by the time you think "ok, I'm in this situation, now how do I respond?" you could be very dead. This is why I used to do the same kicks and punches for 4 hours a night, 6 days a week. As a result, I can now respond to any situation without consious thought, which may save my life or the life of another someday. So practice, practice, practice. Practicing emergency situation response when *you're* the one controlling all the variables is much more desirable than trying to figure it out on the fly. FWIW, there it is. :-) Ride safely! Ramin -- ------------------------------------------------------ |Ramin Keyvan | Voice: 415-846-5169 | |Member Technical Staff/ | FAX: 415-846-1228 | |Release Group | Main #:415-846-5000 | |ramin@tibco.com | Beeper:800-SKY-GRAM | |http://www.tibco.com | Beeper Pin #: 471-3186# | ------------------------------------------------------ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 17:59:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: PILEWIS1 cc: TedJ101@aol.com, schrchll@INETWORLD.NET, nick@boreas.whoi.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Practicing Front wheel lockups Phil, The courses in this area don't include that technique. Can it really be considered a technique? I've seen several people intentionally lay their bikes down over the years and there didn't seem to be alot of technique to any of them. I've heard some police courses teach how to lay a bike down but few if any MSF centers could afford the insurance (if they could get it at all) or the repair of the bikes afterwards. The whole purpose of the MSF program is to try to teach riders, both new and old, to ride safely through risk management. Teaching riders, especially new riders to lay the bike down would scare alot of them away. Though there may be times when laying the bike down is the only option I would personally try all my other options first. Barre' Barre' Bull Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us On Mon, 19 May 1997, PILEWIS1 wrote: > Does any MSF course teach new riders on how to lay a bike down? There > are certain conditions when this would be preferable to hitting the > object in front of you "head on!" > > I've only had to do this once in 30 years of riding, but it proved to be > a sucessful technique, that day! > > Phil > So. Cal. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Mon, 19 May 1997 17:21:34 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 17:28:28 +0000 From: tomp@mmrs.state.ms.us (Tom Patterson) To: Robert Steve Delorey CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Practicing Front wheel lockups > ... Full lock front > breaking has similar dangers. A master rider has got to know what > happens but beyond a certain point (the howl) it may be best to learn > by films or by watching your buddies demonstrate the maneuver! > > Tom Patterson > > Tom, when you say "howl" is this the typical screech of a sliding tire or > is this something else? > > Steve Steve, its like Gary Klim said, "For every bike I've owned, one of the first things I've done was to find the amount of braking required to get the front tire "howling". This is a point just shy of lock-up and those of you who've experienced this know what I'm talking about." -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 16:05:21 -0700 From: Alan Taylor To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Practicing Front wheel lockups --------------3A7558D72F6 Personally, the loudest howl I'll hear will be coming from me. Having had to lay a bike down the prospect of repeating the feat isn't real appealing, but going high side is less attractive. There are several discussions of the techniques in this thread, complete with illustrations at the Motorcycle Tips and Techniques site. http://home.earthlink.net/~jamesdavis/TIPS.html Definitely worthwhile reading. Meanwhile I'll limit my practice to rear wheel lock up. --------------3A7558D72F6 +++++++++++++++++++++++++ Alan Taylor, Long Beach, CA 95 PC 800 “Midnight” One up is fun, Two up is better, Heads up always ! ++++++++++++++++++++++++ --------------3A7558D72F6-- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 19:53:50 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Robert Steve Delorey CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: PC800: Practicing Front wheel lockups Robert Steve Delorey wrote: > Tom, when you say "howl" is this the typical screech of a sliding tire or > is this something else? The "howling" is the noise produced by a tire very near lock-up. I'm at a loss to explain it in scientific terms, but a motorcycle tire at lock-up seems to produce significantly less noise than one near lock-up. Guesses, anyone? gk ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net ________________________________________________________________________ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 17:50:41 -0700 From: PILEWIS1 To: Barre Bull CC: tomp@its.state.ms.us, schrchll@INETWORLD.NET, Nick Witzell , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Practicing Front wheel lockups Barre Bull wrote: > > Phil, > > We have a simulator just for that around D.C. it's called the beltway > only it's more along the lines of a live fire simulation! > > Barre' Hi Barre! I was walking back and forth from the Hyatt to the Pentagon Mall, today, and I was wondering why everyone seemed to be practicing their horn honking and dangerous driving skills?? ;) BTW, it seems to be a "try to get across the street" simulator as well!! :) Phil So. Cal. (except for layovers) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 17:53:10 -0700 From: PILEWIS1 To: Barre Bull CC: TedJ101@aol.com, schrchll@INETWORLD.NET, nick@boreas.whoi.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Practicing Front wheel lockups Barre Bull wrote: > > Phil, > > The courses in this area don't include that technique. Can it really be > considered a technique? I've seen several people intentionally lay their > bikes down over the years and there didn't seem to be alot of technique > to any of them. I've heard some police courses teach how to lay a bike > down but few if any MSF centers could afford the insurance (if they could > get it at all) or the repair of the bikes afterwards. The whole purpose > of the MSF program is to try to teach riders, both new and old, to ride > safely through risk management. Teaching riders, especially new riders to > lay the bike down would scare alot of them away. Though there may be > times when laying the bike down is the only option I would personally try > all my other options first. > > Barre' I agree whole-heartedly!! It's really not a good technique!! Riding awareness is a much better way to go!! Phil -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 22:14:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave DeLang To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Practicing Front wheel lockups On Mon, 19 May 1997, Gary E. Klim wrote: > Robert Steve Delorey wrote: > > > Tom, when you say "howl" is this the typical screech of a sliding tire or > > is this something else? > > The "howling" is the noise produced by a tire very near lock-up. I'm at > a loss to explain it in scientific terms, but a motorcycle tire at > lock-up seems to produce significantly less noise than one near lock-up. > Guesses, anyone? > > gk > ________________________________________________________________________ > Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net > ________________________________________________________________________ > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > Here's $0.02: Could it be that at right near lock up, the tire makes and breaks traction at each groove of the tire's tread; but in full on-here comes the pavement-tire lock it justs slides? Any racers out there know if slicks howl before they skid? I know the howl first hand, been there, done that last week when the cages suddenly realized the freeway necked down to one lane. Didn't get the T-shirt 'cause I know I'll be back. Regards Dave DeLang '90 PC 18,500++miles -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 20:40:50 -0400 From: Joe Beresford Subject: PC800: TWISTAR 97 ride report To: HSTA Posting to listr , "Fellow PC800's" , "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@compuserve.com>, "Donald L. Parish" <73523.3636@compuserve.com>, Vic Norton , Brad & Cindy Mobley <76241.1063@compuserve.com>, Dave Brickner , "INTERNET:GuntherSki@aol.com" , Bryan Dunlap , "cableguy@one.net" T W I S T A R 1 9 9 7 Well friends and neighbors after having just gotten home from a most enjoyable weekend! I must give you the 411 as they say in the city.... The place Wisconsin, Spring Green...(pop 1476)..and north west of there The acompliciasses, MR & MRS George Catt, Diane Almond, Dr Curt and their merry group....... The happening, the 4th annual Twista, revenge of the cows ride thru the Wisconcon countryside... For the 150 or so of you that were there, and the 25 of which became new HSTA members!! You know what happened .....for the rest of ya... you have got to go next year.....This is a ride I have usually heard so much about, so at the last moment I called in sick, and took off. Leaving my home in Cincy on Fri morn, then Crawiling/Trudgeed thru Chicago rush hour ( 3pm in the afternoon) ttraffic trying to catch up with Todd and his band of merry men to make the crossing of Ill. more fun, well I was only 20 mile behind him, but in Chicago that relates to about 2-3 hours.... So none the less I kept flinging coinage into the toll booths until I ran out then, put the bike into stealth mode, for a couple of gates...... Comming out of Madison heading west on 14, I had to stop a couple of times just to enjoy a spectacular Sunset.....Got to the motel just in time to throw up a tent in the back yard along with about a dozen others, registered, and got to be number 99 for dinner.... Started to walk around kick some tires, like Eldon's trailer tires.....had some great diner all you can eat fish at Arthur's go back to hotel, and enjoy meeting lots of my fellow HSTA'rs from all over, like Mark Hemstreet and his dad from FT. Collins Colo., and a sweet cajun lady from Louisiana, and some folks from the AMA....The cool night air was great for someone like me from the city I havent been able to breath that good in weeks..... Well SAT morn wake up call, varoom, putt putt, from theparking lot. so get up an shower an head over to WOODYS for breakfeast, and hot coffee.... Ok so head out...A little cool breeze but the sun is shinnng gloriuosly...hum this is some perrty country y'all.. the route consisted of great little country roads an lanes that take you, up/down/over/under/around/and back again..... they are good roads with some gravel in the corner like you'd find in any state, the turns come up after a hill or farm house which is all you see at about every 2 or more miles..... so we headed out on CO. rd G then Left on N,at Richland Ctr. go N on 80 then left on A then left on 33, at Ontario left on 131( hope you topped off your fuel), right on P, N on D in Cashton, W on 33,in Portland left onto county road X, then take P, at Coon Valley follow 162 south westish to Chaseburg, catch a road of "O" south thru some really great farmland, the cut over 56 to road N, South to West Prarie then right on 82, follow this down a really twistie!! to were it catch's 35 which is running right along the upper Mississippi River, follow 82 over the river into LANSING, IOWA for a tasty lunch at Clancy's $6 sandwich all you can eat buffet, what a deal!!!! Ok well lets see 156 miles just to get lunch, I bet dinner would prove better, back across, the river and 35 south to B thru Rising sun to 171 at Gays Mills left to 27south to E thru into Boscobel, then roads NS/M/MT to Q south to 80 north to P, again then I to P, after dodging another cow in the road, then back over to Q south into Dodgeville,, what's this a (small) Walmart and a Mc'd's first sign of a city all day...aghh who needs city quick right onto 191, then follow K north over H up to 14 and back at the hotel, lets see 330 miles not a bad day!!! Just in time for Dinner change and head over to the Round Barn for the awards and door prizes, and some more food... I almost got the long distance rider, seem my 500 miles was out done by 100 from another Ohio guy!!! Good job Leonard! they didnt count the guys trailering from out west. Diane gave away abunch of door prizes, from t-shirts, to oil& filters, to a leather jacket... Sun morning wake to some overcast skies, with thunder in the distance and the WeatherChannel says storm a comming, so break down tents and pack quick, I decide as it started to rain to bail on the idea of seeing Frank Loyd Wright's HOUSE ON THE ROCKS, even though I really wanted to see this, what the hey I saw it on cable. I thought that with a bad storm comming my saftey was more important so I headed due South. After riding hard for about 3 hours to get out from under the bad part I got into the clearer skies in middle ILL where I opted to head East towards home and keep the weather at my back, the ride across ILL/IND was a challenge with the cross winds/gust of 2 different weather fronts, I thought I was back in Kansas..... for a few moments there I almost had to dodge oncomming traffic on the other side of I-74. This ride is one of those that will go into my record book, in fact I feel it ties with Texas Hill Country. I have heard so many folks talk about this ride I just had to go and I am glad I did.. The sun was shining, the people were waving, the dogs were chasing the bikes all the day.... The day was perfect for riding, and it was a day the weather was so good it made up for all those days you rode in the rain last year or that you weren't in the groove. This day everything fell into place. and you feel better than you have in awhile, you'll remember for a long time.....but then again there's always next weekend...... All in all it was a fantatstic time. I hope I didnt run on too long and be borring, but I am just trying to say how much fun can be had......Great roads, great people, good fun. Thats what makes the HSTA such a neat bunch to be with. If you can go next year or check out an show up at one of these many little weekend gatherings, check it out at the HSTA homepage, even if your not a member, you can even dowload/print from your browser a application for the club..or show up someone would be gald to sign you up!!!!. =====HTTP://members.aol.com/hstawww ======= God Bless & Ride Safe! Fireman Joe Beresford//90PC800//Cincinnati,Ohio//513-535-8203 Fireman_Joe@Compuserve.com (or) cableguy@one.net (version 2 of report---i think version one got lost durring upload/crash of computer) ( if not I am sorry for the repost)(please feel free to reprint as like) COPYRIGHT= FIREMAN JOE-1997 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 22:16:59 -0700 From: Robert Steve Delorey To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Practicing Front wheel lockups Thanks to all who have tried to enlighten me as to what the "howl" sounds like. I've done some pretty rapid decelerating but I guess I've never gotten that close to the envelope. Now that I'm aware that such a condition occurs just before lock up, I may recognize it in time if it ever occurs. However, I don't think I'll try to make it happen just so I'll be sure to recognize it. :-) As far as "practice makes perfect", I guess front wheel lock up is a skill I can do without. I'd rather perfect my progressive squeeze. Steve -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Spencer Whatcott" To: "pc800" Subject: PC800: clutch problem Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 20:46:49 -0700 Greetings. I am a devoted pc800 owner. My name is Spencer Whatcott. I hail from Modesto, Ca. My e-mail address is shw@thevision.net. My 1990 pc800 was first sold in February of 1993. I purchased it second hand that summer. My only true modification is adding the BMW wrist wrest (with my own pvc spacer). I bought the bike with 6K. It now has 29K after doing a 'National Parks tour' to Colorado, and bagging every Pass in the Sierras. Of course, the Pacific Coast highway has also seen its namesake as if he were a commuter. I'll be bold enough to start by asking for some help. About six times during the last year (and 4K), my clutch seems to have slipped after I shift into fifth while accelerating hard and at high speed. It seems a bit soon for a clutch to go. The problem isn't getting any worse or more frequent. I changed the hydraulic fluid which I thought solved the problem ( it had turned a good shade of copper). But I rarely get the chance to mimic the 'situation', yet yesterday to my chagrin, it happened again. Any thoughts before a local mechanic just changes the clutch? I was unable to find a fix in your archives. Thanks much. I look forward to participating in your mail list. Spencer (Newbie) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA00907 for ; Mon, 19 May 1997 23:02:16 -0500 (CDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 23:02:16 -0500 (CDT) From: greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers) Subject: Re: PC800: elect. probs/engine kill switch failure To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu JT wrote: > >Hi all: > >The reasoning behind the MSF's recommendation regarding the routine use of >the engine cut-off switch to stop the engine is that in an emergency we >always do what we are in the habit of doing (via reflex). If your thumb >isn't in the habit of finding and using the switch in a routine manner, then >it is most unlikely that you will be able to use it quickly in an emergency. I agree. I figure that even if it breaks from overuse, for the price of the switch (even at Honda prices), I'd like to be in the habit of "killing" the engine, rather than reaching for the key. Greg Chambers -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA19818 for ; Mon, 19 May 1997 23:31:15 -0500 (CDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 23:31:15 -0500 (CDT) From: greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers) Subject: Re: PC800: Practicing Front wheel lockups To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Phil Lewis wrote: > >Good analysis on flight training, Tom. With the airlines (of which >Delta I am most familiar) we are able to practice a variety of >potentially catastophic training scenerios, using simulators. Wouldn't >it be nice if could have some type of simulator for practicing hazardoud >manuevering on motorcycles!!? > >Phil >So. Cal. >-- Back when I was familiar with such things, Western Airlines bought a 727 similator for about $6 million in the early '80's. I know PC's are expensive, but... Greg Chambers -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id IAA07434; Tue, 20 May 1997 08:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 08:10:07 -0400 (EDT) To: shw@thevision.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: clutch problem well Spencer, welcome.... You neglected to mention any oil change info........ When, what brand, how often.... Z (Chicago) '94 PC800 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by pluto.open.ac.uk with SMTP Local (PP); Tue, 20 May 1997 13:59:46 +0100 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: J.S.Allan@open.ac.uk (John Allan) To: shw@thevision.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 12:28:53 +0100 Subject: Re: PC800: clutch problem Hi Spencer, I have just had the same on a '89 with 40,000 miles Only clue - just before it went in for a new clutch I was having difficulty getting from 3rd to 1st when I stopped. When they reassembled the bike they couldn't get neutral. They are at present reassembling the gear shift linkages today - the feeling is that something on the gear linkages that made it dificult for me to get first (and them later to get neutral) also helped the clutch wear fast. I'll get the bike back in a couple of days and post the fianl oputcome John -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: VicarDon@aol.com by emout20.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA02619 for PC800@hpc.uh.edu; Tue, 20 May 1997 11:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 11:10:25 -0400 (EDT) To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: MSF Exp. Rider's Course and Rifle Having graduated from the basic skills course, I will soon have 4,000 miles on my '97 PC. I am thinking about taking the experienced riders course at the Honda Hoot. Has anyone taken this course with their PC? If so, how did your PC handle while your were performing the various skills? I am a little timid about putting my PC through the kind of stress that I'm sure this course requires. I don't know if I would have been able, for example, to ride through the cones with my PC in the basic course. I really want to take the ERC and learn more. Are my fears unfounded? Is there a danger of creating a flat spot on the rear tire from excessive braking maneuvers, etc...? Any thoughts or experience here? Let me report on my Rifle windshield. I am 6'1" and ordered a Rifle custom cut to 21 inches (that's a total of 26, counting the base). I have the Corbin seat which lowers the seat height by about 1 inch or so. The Rifle allows me to see over the screen while driving without looking through it. But it also provides, at least for me, amble coverage from wind and noise. I also use a Shoei RF700 helmet. In fact, this set-up is actually quieter than my '95Taurus, even with the windows up. It feels good to hear a m/c engine again. Thanks, Don Bowery -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA11270 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Tue, 20 May 1997 11:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 11:10:36 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: Practicing Front wheel lockups Hi All: In a message dated 97-05-19 16:10:28 EDT, Phil wrote: << Does any MSF course teach new riders on how to lay a bike down? There are certain conditions when this would be preferable to hitting the object in front of you "head on!" >> No, laying it down is not taught by the MSF. Neither is it recommended as a technique in any circumstance (about the only one I can think of would be when faced with an immediate obstacle that is far enough off the ground that you could slide under it without making contact). There is an adage within the motorcycle-safety community that goes generally like, "If you lay it down, you've just had your first accident; your second will follow in the next few seconds." The basic principle here is that if you have the time and space to avoid a collision by laying it down, you have more than enough time and space to avoid it by braking or swerving. If you don't have the time and space to avoid a collision, then your best bet is to reduce the potential for serious injury. With respect to injury reduction, it is always better to reduce the energy at impact (a function of the square of the impact speed) as much a possible, and the only effective way to do that is to stay at maximum braking right to the point of impact. Even a couple of mph reduction in impact speed during those last few feet can make the difference between a serious injury and a minor one. Another reason why "laying it down" is not taught is probably that it doesn't need to be taught. It is the natural result of the inappropriate blending of two techniques, braking and attempting to turn. In a typical accident scenario, the rider first attempts to brake to avoid a collision (often not the best choice). Unless the rider has learned and practiced emergency braking regularly (and maybe even if they have), their braking is often to light on the front and too heavy on the rear, producing a rear-tire skid and relatively low deceleration performance. Perceiving that their braking is not going to do the job, they then attempt to turn to avoid the obstacle (perhaps a better first choice in many situations). But before trying to turn, they forget to release their brakes. The result: an immediate low-side and slide (aka a "lay down") directly into the obstacle at a higher-than-necessary speed. When the cast comes off and the road rash heals, what usually follows is a biker war story that ends with, "So there was nothing I could do, I had to lay her down." . . . Yeah; right. :) Oops! This turned into a bit of a rant. I seem to do that a lot. Oh well, . . . Take care, JT -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: NorrisH@aol.com by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA04088 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Tue, 20 May 1997 11:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 11:43:20 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: PC literate shop in Houston... Does anyone know of a good/PC literate shop in Houston (preferably Northwest Houston), that they would recommend? I just moved to the area and have been bitten too many times by other shops. I would rather learn from other's mistakes. Thanks in advance... Norris B. Heckwine Tomball, Texas -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 08:29:47 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: PC800: Practicing Front wheel lockups At 10:16 PM 5/19/97 -0700, you wrote: >Thanks to all who have tried to enlighten me as to what the "howl" sounds >like. I've done some pretty rapid decelerating but I guess I've never >gotten that close to the envelope. Now that I'm aware that such a >condition occurs just before lock up, I may recognize it in time if it >ever occurs. However, I don't think I'll try to make it happen just so >I'll be sure to recognize it. Steve, in my experience that particular "howl" only ocurrs in dry, clean pavement, with good traction available. I wouldn't count on it being there under all conditions. Not a very reliable indicator. FWIW. Juan "We few, we happy few, we band of PC Riders" -- With apologies to William Shakespeare ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '93 ArcticCat Panther DLX University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 09:30:36 -0700 id Megw.4159358 ; Tue, 20 May 1997 09:28:57 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 11:23:00 -0700 From: "Bruce Modlin" Subject: PC800: Searching for an Aerostich To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu, st1100@st1100.com I am looking for a used Aerostich that someone may of outgrown. I need a 46-48, long ok. I have looked at the classified of the Longriders, Cycle Trader. Anybody have any other Online, internet suggestions on how to find MC accessories ? I have contacted Aerostich and have their catalog. I've done the search thing using Yahoo,etc. But I haven't found much of use. Thanks Bruce -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 09:02:03 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: PC800: Practicing Front wheel lockups At 11:10 AM 5/20/97 -0400, JT wrote: >Hi All: > >In a message dated 97-05-19 16:10:28 EDT, Phil wrote: > ><< Does any MSF course teach new riders on how to lay a bike down? There > are certain conditions when this would be preferable to hitting the > object in front of you "head on!" >> > >No, laying it down is not taught by the MSF. Neither is it recommended as a >technique in any circumstance (about the only one I can think of would be >when faced with an immediate obstacle that is far enough off the ground that >you could slide under it without making contact). There is an adage within >the motorcycle-safety community that goes generally like, "If you lay it >down, you've just had your first accident; your second will follow in the >next few seconds." >was nothing I could do, I had to lay her down." . . . Yeah; right. :) >Oops! This turned into a bit of a rant. I seem to do that a lot. Oh well, >. . . It might have been a rant, but one that deserves to be aired every now and then. As an additional comment, people should always remember that the coefficient of friction it MUCH greater between tire rubber and the pavement than between metal/plastic and pavement, so if the bike stops before hitting the obstacle during a "lay down" manouver, you certainly had the time/space to stop with the brakes. FWIW. Juan "We few, we happy few, we band of PC Riders" -- With apologies to William Shakespeare ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '93 ArcticCat Panther DLX University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 13:39:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: VicarDon@aol.com cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: MSF Exp. Rider's Course and Rifle Don, I have taken the course and soon hope to be teaching it and yes take it. Only problem I had with my PC during the whole course was getting the brakes to lock up at 15 mph...It either cann't or won't do it. So....they had me do it at 30mph and I skid about 20-30 feet and it handled like a dream. Kept my head and eyes up, slowly released pressure on the rear brake and stopped in one piece. Barre' Barre' Bull Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us On Tue, 20 May 1997 VicarDon@aol.com wrote: > Having graduated from the basic skills course, I will soon have 4,000 miles > on my '97 > PC. I am thinking about taking the experienced riders course at the Honda > Hoot. > Has anyone taken this course with their PC? If so, how did your PC handle > while > your were performing the various skills? I am a little timid about putting > my PC > through the kind of stress that I'm sure this course requires. I don't know > if I would have been able, for example, to ride through the cones with my PC > in the basic course. I really want to take the ERC and learn more. Are my > fears unfounded? Is there a danger of creating a flat spot on the rear tire > from excessive braking maneuvers, etc...? Any thoughts or experience here? > > Let me report on my Rifle windshield. I am 6'1" and ordered a Rifle custom > cut to > 21 inches (that's a total of 26, counting the base). I have the Corbin seat > which lowers the seat height by about 1 inch or so. The Rifle allows me to > see over the screen while driving without looking through it. But it also > provides, at least for me, amble coverage from wind and noise. I also use a > Shoei RF700 helmet. In fact, this set-up is actually quieter than my > '95Taurus, even with the windows up. It feels good to hear a m/c engine > again. > > Thanks, > Don Bowery > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu; Tue, 20 May 1997 13:44:35 CDT by jarvis.ims.alaska.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA15468 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 10:39:24 -0800 (AKDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 10:39:24 -0800 (AKDT) From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: PC800: MSF Exp. Rider's Course and Rifle To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 11:10 AM 5/20/97 -0400, you wrote: >through the kind of stress that I'm sure this course requires. I don't know >if I would have been able, for example, to ride through the cones with my PC >in the basic course. I really want to take the ERC and learn more. Are my >fears unfounded? Is there a danger of creating a flat spot on the rear tire >from excessive braking maneuvers, etc...? Any thoughts or experience here? Dan, you have nothing to worry about. I've gone through the ERC twice on my PC, and let me tell you, it is one of the better handling bikes out there. All these young squids are left wondering how a bike like ours can out perform their sport rockets on the training course, he he! One time the instructor was telling us that we should not throttle back before entering the braking area, and that he would know if we did by the change in the exhaust note of the bike (lots of Harleys and sport bikes there) then he said "...as for Juan here, I'll have to listen for a change in tone of the rushing wind, since the darn thing makes no noise!" True story. Don't worry about the rear tire. If you skid enough to flat spot it, then you were probably going about 60 mph. In my case, that would have put me out in the path of a landing C-141 heavy transport :-) My only recomendations are: wear something comfortable, keep well hydrated and, (I did this for my own peace of mind) unplug the headlamp. That way the battery will not discharge as fast. If you do this, don't forget to plug it back in before you leave! Most of all, have fun! Juan "We few, we happy few, we band of PC Riders" -- With apologies to William Shakespeare ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '93 ArcticCat Panther DLX University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat (907)474-5520 AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Klim, Gary (Exchange)" To: "'PC800 List'" Subject: PC800: Finally, E-Mail At Work... Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 11:58:14 -0700 Now I can follow threads as they happen, instead of "delayed broadcast"... ;-) Good-bye productivity... gk Gary E. Klim MFG. ENG. gklim@harman.com garyklim@snet.net (860)346-0896 Ext. 343 -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: shw@thevision.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: clutch problem From: rochambeau@juno.com (Rocky Rochambeau) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 15:33:27 EDT Change oil to Hondaline oil as recommended by your dealer. Some superoils like Mobil1 are toooo lubricous and can cause clutch slippage. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: NorrisH@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: PC literate shop in Houston... From: rochambeau@juno.com (Rocky Rochambeau) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 15:33:27 EDT Please tell me, now that my PC is in for its 4K mi checkup, was it an authorized Honda dlr who bit you? On Tue, 20 May 1997 11:43:20 -0400 (EDT) NorrisH@aol.com writes: >Does anyone know of a good/PC literate shop in Houston (preferably >Northwest >Houston), that they would recommend? > >I just moved to the area and have been bitten too many times by other >shops. > I would rather learn from other's mistakes. > >Thanks in advance... >Norris B. Heckwine >Tomball, Texas >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 16:30:37 -0400 From: Steve Schibuola Subject: Re: PC800: Practicing Front wheel lockups To: PC800 List JT wrote: >>Oops! This turned into a bit of a rant. I seem to do that a >>lot. Oh well, . . . Keep on ranting, JT! I find your thoughtful analyses very helpful. Steve Schibuola Huntington Beach, CA '89 PC -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: NorrisH@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: PC literate shop in Houston... From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 20 May 1997 16:57:18 -0500 Lines: 13 >>>>> "N" == NorrisH writes: N> Does anyone know of a good/PC literate shop in Houston (preferably N> Northwest Houston), that they would recommend? Not exactly northwest, but Honda of Houston (http://www.hondaofhouston.com) has always done well by my friend and his PC. Mine's never needed service... The people are infinitely friendlier than those at Stubbs and Wild West. They also just sent me a coupon flier yesterday. They're at 1739 Bingle, just north of I-10 not far outside 610. - J< -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'shw@thevision.net'" , pc800 Subject: RE: PC800: clutch problem Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 15:07:30 -0700 I've had the same thing happen to me once in a while for the last couple of years (and 30k miles). My conclusion was I was just being sloppy with the clutch and not letting it out quick enough when accelerating hard. I base this conclusion on careful review of what I was doing at the time, that it rarely occurs, and I've lived with it for so long with no other clutch worries. The feel of the clutch on my other two bikes (VFR and ST) is so much firmer it's near impossible to let out sloppily. The PC controls are just more forgiving IMHO. In addition, the VFR/ST don't require as much shifting to accelerate over the same distance and speed as a PC. In fact, I find I have to remember to shift up the remaining two or three gears once I'm cruising down the freeway at normal speeds. BTW: All bikes running Golden Spectro 10w40. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft, Redmond, WA AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140/STOC 478 '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" '96 Honda ST1100 ALT "Trust" ---------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 18:17:41 -0400 From: "Blaise R. Box" To: VicarDon@aol.com, PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800: MSF Exp. Rider's Course and Rifle Don, Last year I took the MSF coarse with my PC. No problems at all and I felt better and found out how my bike handles, etc. I took the course the year before on the school bikes and the next year with the PC. I got much more confidence in the PC by doing this. The instructors are aware of the stress on your own bike and some exercises they limited what we did and the number of times we locked up the rear wheel. etc. I did lock up my front brake while in the MSF course, doing about 25 mph. I was trying the exercise for maximum braking and GRABBED the front brake. What an experience. I high sided and travelled a few feet in the air doing a flip. I landed on my hips and then right to my feet. Very lucky...my helmet never touched the ground. I was used as a living example for the rest of the class. The PC was fine no damage other than a little to the protective sides. Again lucky. But it is a lesson I was glad happened in a controlled (?) atmosphere and one I wont forget too soon. Blaise R. Box Duluth, GA. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 17:38:40 -0500 From: mericat To: Rocky Rochambeau CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Close call today that.... ....brought back some old training. Was riding the 90 PC through Chesterfield on my way out of town in traffic. I slowed as the cars in front of me were slowing for a light. Suddenly I heard a mad screeching of brakes behind me. I was in gear and automatically moved up. A Van driven by a 110 year old man was burning rubber trying to stop. He did but if I had'nt moved forward I would have been talking to the pavement. The lession relearned was: Always have the bike in the right gear to accelerate if you have to. I hate all old people. JJ Rieder -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'Bruce Modlin'" , PC800@hpc.uh.edu, st1100@st1100.com Subject: PC800: RE: Searching for an Aerostich Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 10:06:15 -0700 Well it's not Online but for print ad's the most consistent postings I see Aerostitch's for sale are in Motorcycle Consumer News and the Honda Sport Touring Association newsletter. I see several listings each month. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft, Redmond, WA AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140/STOC 478 '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" '96 Honda ST1100 ALT "Trust" ---------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bruce Modlin [SMTP:bruce.modlin@firstdatacorp.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 1997 11:23 AM To: PC800@HPC.UH.EDU; st1100@st1100.com Subject: Searching for an Aerostich I am looking for a used Aerostich that someone may of outgrown. I need a 46-48, long ok. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 19:42:53 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: "Juan A. Goula" CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: PC800: Practicing Front wheel lockups Juan A. Goula wrote: > Steve, in my experience that particular "howl" only ocurrs in dry, clean > pavement, with good traction available. I wouldn't count on it being there > under all conditions. Not a very reliable indicator. FWIW. One would think that would be an obvious conclusion, but for riders who have yet to accumulate experience or those who've never tested the limits, the thought may never occur to them. Point well made. gk ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net gklim@harman.com ________________________________________________________________________ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 19:47:01 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Bruce Modlin CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: PC800: Searching for an Aerostich Bruce Modlin wrote: > I've done the search thing using > Yahoo,etc. But I haven't found much of use. Try using the Alta Vista search engine, but have it search "Usenet". You will get returns from the many bike related newsgroups, depending on your search criteria. gk ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net gklim@harman.com ________________________________________________________________________ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 19:58:51 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: "Juan A. Goula" CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: PC800: MSF Exp. Rider's Course and Rifle Juan A. Goula wrote: > ...and, (I did this for my own peace of mind) unplug the headlamp. That way > the battery will not discharge as fast. With a healthy battery (13 VDC), the low beam draws about 4.2 A. There is almost a 1.2 VDC drop just by turning the ignition on. My old GS-750T Suzuki had an ignition that was very sensitive to low voltage, so much so that I installed a switch for the headlight as it didn't have an automatic cutout when starting the engine. :-( gk ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net gklim@harman.com ________________________________________________________________________ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 20:06:52 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Bryce Ulrich CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: PC800: clutch problem Bryce Ulrich wrote: > My conclusion was I was just being sloppy with the clutch and not > letting it out quick enough when accelerating hard. The PC also doesn't like half hearted throttle closing during shifting, which can also contribute to "faux slippage". gk ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net gklim@harman.com ________________________________________________________________________ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 20:16:02 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: staging@earthlink.net CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: PC800: MSF Exp. Rider's Course and Rifle Blaise R. Box wrote: > I did lock up my front brake while in the MSF course, doing about 25 > mph. I was trying the exercise for maximum braking and GRABBED the > front brake. It's unfortunate that under such circumstances your tires never even get close to operating temperature. Had you done the same thing after 10 or so miles of freeway it's quite possible there would have been enough traction available to prevent lock-up. Many a novice (and even some experienced) racers have high-sided or low-sided while applying too much brake or throttle to tires not yet at "race temperature". gk ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net gklim@harman.com ________________________________________________________________________ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 20:23:23 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: mericat@tetranet.net CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: PC800: Close call today that.... mericat wrote: > I hate all old people. Let's modify that to read: "I hate *ALL* people who can no longer safely operate a motor vehicle and who are a threat to the safety of others". To a 16 year old, I, at 41, was born sometime just after the demise of the dinosaurs, so let's tread lightly on the concept of "old"... gk ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net gklim@harman.com ________________________________________________________________________ -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: mericat@tetranet.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800: Re: Close call today that.... From: rochambeau@juno.com (Rocky Rochambeau) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 21:10:49 EDT You hate all old people? I will save that comment and forward it to you when you are an old fart. Immunity is an illusion. -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 23:28:41 -0400 From: Roger Prince To: Bryce Ulrich Cc: pc800 Subject: Re: PC800: clutch problem I replaced my clutch at 75K on my '90. It got to where I would just nail the throttle in 5th gear and it would slip...sometimes. I used mostly Golden Sp