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Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 02:27:50 +0000
From: Gary Wilson <gcw0766@88net.net>
To: GuntherSki@aol.com
CC: pacific coast list <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: riding...????? soon????

GuntherSki@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Bob,
> 
  I say Sunday at the Highland House....

sorryto pop in on someone's missive, but is this the famous Highland House 
next to the more famous Tickled Pink?
gary.


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From: TedJ101@aol.com
	  by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id UAA17306;
	  Sat, 1 Feb 1997 20:32:00 -0500 (EST)
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 20:32:00 -0500 (EST)
To: dsampson@pacbell.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Big-time stopping problems!!

In a message dated 97-01-24 23:43:25 EST, dsampson@pacbell.net (D. Sampson)
writes:

<< One second everything is normal; the next, the bike is
 on the ground. >>


That's characteristic of locking the front wheel.  The usual remedy for this
is to practice a lot to get the feel of the brakes and when lock up is about
to occur.  Don't wait for an emergency situation to present itself before
practicing <Grin>.  FWIW, on sport bikes I often test traction by braking
until the front wheel locks.  When it does, you have to get out of the brakes
real quick or you will go down.  However, that does imprint the amount of
traction you have for those circumstances in your brain.  Modulating your
braking is the main import here (i.e. start with some pressure and rapidly
increase it as weight transfers forward and the tire can handle more braking
effect -- then before coming to a stop reduce pressure so the bike doesn't
jerk upright suddenly).

I don't actually go to lockup on the PC.  The tires make such an awful row
short of lockup that I don't have to go all the way.

Regards,
           <TED>


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Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 12:26:46 +0100 (MET)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Gerard Diepeveen <G.Diepeveen@inter.NL.net>
Subject: Events page

Need a place to announce a ride you are organizing, let me know I can place
it on our Upcoming Events page.
This service is free for PC800 riders only.

What do you need to send me:
A brief description of the event/ride.
Your email address, so people can mail you for more information.
Date and time when the ride will be held.

Clad that we could be of any service.

Best regards,
Gerard Diepeveen, Pacific Coast Netherlands
--------------------------------00---------------------
Gerard Diepeveen		'89 White
Pacific Coast Netherlands
E-Mail: G.Diepeveen@inter.NL.net or gerard@dsv.nl
O-PC-O:-) "May the Pacific Coast be with you"
Visit the Honda Pacific Coast Netherlands:
http://www.inter.nl.net/users/G.Diepeveen/pc800.htm
------------------------------------------------------

          Sun, 2 Feb 1997 10:18:09 -0700

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Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 12:21:44 -0500
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Harry Kellam <hmkvbw@rica.net>
Subject: Hello and Help

Hello and Help.  I am a new PC 800 as of Christmas 96. My wife gave me a 90
model, 9200 miles, red in perfect shape. The story behind this suprise gift
is worth mentioning but not now. I am interested in becoming involved with
my name being added to your existing list of PC 800 owners, being put on a
mailing list for future events of any kind. My wife and I are 63 yrs and
are going to be at Daytona inMarch for bike week 97. What group shoud I
join HRCA, HSTA GWRRA, or ASTRA? I would like to get involved with people
our age and interest levels. Any suggestions. Are there any Christian bike
riders groups. I would appreciate any help you can give. Thanks for your
interest in my request. Harry Kellam Box 95, Dayton, VA 22821, Red Honda PC
800 90 model. Dayton, VA is in the Shennandoah Valley of VA 130 miles SW of
DC and 85 miles north of Roanoke. Thanks again, HK (wife's name is
Barbara).


Harry Kellam
hmkvbw@rica.net

          Sun, 2 Feb 1997 10:25:02 -0700

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Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 12:28:35 -0500
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Harry Kellam <hmkvbw@rica.net>
Subject: Hello and Help

Hello and Help.  I am a new PC 800 as of Christmas 96. My wife gave me a 90
model, 9200 miles, red in perfect shape. The story behind this suprise gift
is worth mentioning but not now. I am interested in becoming involved with
my name being added to your existing list of PC 800 owners, being put on a
mailing list for future events of any kind. My wife and I are 63 yrs and
are going to be at Daytona inMarch for bike week 97. What group shoud I
join HRCA, HSTA GWRRA, or ASTRA? I would like to get involved with people
our age and interest levels. Any suggestions. Are there any Christian bike
riders groups. I would appreciate any help you can give. Thanks for your
interest in my request. Harry Kellam Box 95, Dayton, VA 22821, Red Honda PC
800 90 model. Dayton, VA is in the Shennandoah Valley of VA 130 miles SW of
DC and 85 miles north of Roanoke. Thanks again, HK (wife's name is
Barbara).


Harry Kellam
hmkvbw@rica.net


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From: "Jeff Hopkins" <hopkinsj@telepath.com>
To: "PC 800 Group" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: For Sale
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 17:17:07 -0600

For Sale:  1989 PC800.  9500 miles.  Body in good shape, tires like new,
runs great.  Has tall Honda windshield (needs replacing) and back rest.  A
bargin at $3250.00.  I can be reached at 405-447-6213 home or 405-329-3200
work.  The bike is in Norman, Oklahoma.  My E-mail address is
hopkinsj@telepath.com.  This is a good one and will make someone a hell of
a bike.


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From: "Jeff Hopkins" <hopkinsj@telepath.com>
To: "PC 800 Group" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Seat
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 17:53:44 -0600

To all you guys who bought new Corbin seats.  I'd like to buy an original
Honda seat for an '89 PC800.  Let me know what you have and what you want
for it.

Jeff Hopkins
hopkinsj@telepath.com


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From: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: Re: For Sale
To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 97 10:03:03 WST

Hi those who interested in getting the following,
 
> Body in good shape, tires like new,
> runs great.  Has tall Honda windshield (needs replacing) and back rest...

I suggest you see the real thing before you make your decision and pay.  When
somebody told you his equipment is in good condition, been well care for...
bla bla bla, that may be a piece of junk, and later will tell you he sell it
because he think it is f**K.  I kept all emails with this gentleman and will
post an intersting story within these days.  My advice : obvious description
means NOTHING.

Believe it or not, I am not attacking, or going to attack anybody.  Just
telling something TRUE and let everybody see the real picture.  I DIDN'T
LIE AT LEAST!

> This is a good one and will make someone a hell of
> a bike.

Part of my story:
A gentleman from the no helmet State of OK sold me a tall windshield that
described as "in good condition", "been well care for", "always cleaned
by HONDA cleaner", also promised to "give a good clean" before shipping.
What I got finally is a shield with 2 large patches of hard coating went
off, each with area no smaller than palm size; not less than 60 scratches
(I use a wyteboard marker to mark and count the scratches and give up when
going up to 60); dirt found on shield.
I told this gentleman how disappointed I was and what I got in my inbox the
next day is "grow up, big boy", "you want perfection", "I think it is fu*k",
"I don't need you to tell me how to care my equipment"...  I must point out
that I clearly informed that I was not demanding any refund.  Just told him
how bad my feeling is, and I expected to have some explaination about wrong
interpretation on "good condition", "well care for"...
I never awared of somebody here will sell his equipment that he think that is
fuc* without any advice.  This is how this gentleman treat people.

p.s. The tall shield is free for anybody who want it, postage yours.  In fact,
     no PC riders here interested in getting it even for free.  Oh yes, I
     paid $100.
 
-- 
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Philips Wong,                    '84 HONDA GL1200A     <-- Classic!     *
  *      VR2XVI <-- HAM                    Gold Wing Aspencade               *
  *      PCA420 <-- Royal Hong Kong   '90 HONDA PC800  red  <-- Little Wing  *
  *                  Aux. Police           Yeh, Wing front look and spoiler  *
  *      101177 <-- the only GWRRA    '95 HONDA GL1500SE    <-- Chrome!      *
  *                  member in HK          The flooded bike                  *
  *                                                                          *
  *  Police Training School taught :   HONDA   CBX750       <-- Police       *
  *  " I have the honour to be, Sir,   YAMAHA  Diversion 600<--    work      *
  *       your obedient servant!"      HONDA   CBX250       <--       bike   *
  *                                                                          *
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Will work for gas & chrome.  I have two Wings, and a baby Wing at home. *
  ****************************************************************************


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From: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: Re: Seat
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 97 10:30:33 WST

  
> To all you guys who bought new Corbin seats.  I'd like to buy an original
> Honda seat for an '89 PC800.  Let me know what you have and what you want
> for it.

Smart!  Remove the Corbin, put the stock seat on and sell the bike.  Then
sell the Corbin later and make more $$$.  Is that the case?

-- 
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Philips Wong,                    '84 HONDA GL1200A     <-- Classic!     *
  *      VR2XVI <-- HAM                    Gold Wing Aspencade               *
  *      PCA420 <-- Royal Hong Kong   '90 HONDA PC800  red  <-- Little Wing  *
  *                  Aux. Police           Yeh, Wing front look and spoiler  *
  *      101177 <-- the only GWRRA    '95 HONDA GL1500SE    <-- Chrome!      *
  *                  member in HK          The flooded bike                  *
  *                                                                          *
  *  Police Training School taught :   HONDA   CBX750       <-- Police       *
  *  " I have the honour to be, Sir,   YAMAHA  Diversion 600<--    work      *
  *       your obedient servant!"      HONDA   CBX250       <--       bike   *
  *                                                                          *
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Will work for gas & chrome.  I have two Wings, and a baby Wing at home. *
  ****************************************************************************


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Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 22:28:57 +0000
From: Gary Wilson <gcw0766@88net.net>
To: pacific coast list <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: front end alignment

any advice on aligning the front end of my 89 pc.  i pulled the plastic on 
the center and top of the bars and have revealed the insides.  i have the 
awful sinking feeling that i may have to remove the fairing.  if that is 
anything like any of the other covers, the fiddling may drive me insane, 
witness 1.5 hours in putting on the front fender cover.  not that i'm 
complaining; i love the bike but the alignment does need adjusting.
gary.
ps.  also i seem to remember some thread on the 89's having a problem 
with tire wear on the left trunk.  anyone else hear this?


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From: "bob peterson" <afn05166@afn.org>
To: "pc800 newslist" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Rider Backrest
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 06:57:51 -0500

Salutations PCers
I am looking for information on adding a drivers backrest to an 89 PC800.
The PC never carries a passenger so no space problems.
Have any of you added this to your bike, or know of a manufacturer?

TIA

####################GO GATORS!!
Bob & Sandy Peterson ; Gainesville, FL


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Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 07:22:10 -0800
From: Johan Lai <jlai@filenet.com>
To: VR2XVI <pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk>
Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: For Sale

Bum deal Philips.  Perhaps you would like to share with us the
gentleman's
name so the rest of us could be more careful if we were to purchase from
him?  Of course it's hard to describe and interpret those descriptions
of
merchandise in email, but the attitude is surprising since most PC'ers 
(at least ones on this list) are not your typical bad ass rider.  We did 
run into a red PC on our last ride.  He stopped to see our 6 PC's parked 
together while we were in a restaurant.  Eric and I decided to go out 
and greet him and see if perhaps he'd like to join us.  He said to us, 
"well, my primary ride is down (a Connie) so I'm stuck with this for a 
while."  Eric and I said, "well then, have a nice ride" and walked back 
into the restaurant.  In my mind I'm thinking "doesn't that tell you
something?"  Gee, I hope he's not reading this :)

Cheers,
Johan Lai
Orange, CA
'89 "Cassandra"

VR2XVI wrote:
> 
> Hi those who interested in getting the following,
> 
> > Body in good shape, tires like new,
> > runs great.  Has tall Honda windshield (needs replacing) and back rest...
> 
> I suggest you see the real thing before you make your decision and pay.  When
> somebody told you his equipment is in good condition, been well care for...
> bla bla bla, that may be a piece of junk, and later will tell you he sell it
> because he think it is f**K.  I kept all emails with this gentleman and will
> post an intersting story within these days.  My advice : obvious description
> means NOTHING.
> 
> Believe it or not, I am not attacking, or going to attack anybody.  Just
> telling something TRUE and let everybody see the real picture.  I DIDN'T
> LIE AT LEAST!
> 
> > This is a good one and will make someone a hell of
> > a bike.
> 
> Part of my story:
> A gentleman from the no helmet State of OK sold me a tall windshield that
> described as "in good condition", "been well care for", "always cleaned
> by HONDA cleaner", also promised to "give a good clean" before shipping.
> What I got finally is a shield with 2 large patches of hard coating went
> off, each with area no smaller than palm size; not less than 60 scratches
> (I use a wyteboard marker to mark and count the scratches and give up when
> going up to 60); dirt found on shield.
> I told this gentleman how disappointed I was and what I got in my inbox the
> next day is "grow up, big boy", "you want perfection", "I think it is fu*k",
> "I don't need you to tell me how to care my equipment"...  I must point out
> that I clearly informed that I was not demanding any refund.  Just told him
> how bad my feeling is, and I expected to have some explaination about wrong
> interpretation on "good condition", "well care for"...
> I never awared of somebody here will sell his equipment that he think that is
> fuc* without any advice.  This is how this gentleman treat people.
> 
> p.s. The tall shield is free for anybody who want it, postage yours.  In fact,
>      no PC riders here interested in getting it even for free.  Oh yes, I
>      paid $100.
>


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From: "Estes, Cory S" <EstesCS@88ABW.WPAFB.AF.MIL>
To: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: For Sale
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 11:26:45 -0500

Johan wrote:
>.........surprising since most PC'ers (at least ones on this list) are not
>your typical bad ass rider..............  

Interesting,  what is it about the PC that not only breeds confidence in
the bike, but in the owner/rider as well?  

	You meet the nicest people on a Honda...............even nicer people 
	on a  Honda Pacific Coast!

It's funny, but when I meet another PCer I just assume they're going to
be friendly and ready to share experiences.  I've rarely never been let
down.

GROUP HUG!

Cory S. Estes*

'89 Honda Pacific Coast (Millennium Turtle) *Motorcycle Adventurist
'90 Honda GB-500                                     *Observer of
Humanity
'97 Chevy S-10 Pick Up                             *Lover of Life

 pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 03 Feb 1997 11:40:28 -0500 (EST)
 pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 03 Feb 1997 11:39:50 -0500 (EST)

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Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 09:40:22 +0000
From: Michael D Turley <MDTurley@wtp.net>
Subject: Dissapointment
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
 <c=US%a=_%p=GOV+DMS+MILNET%l=APPSMAIL1-970203162645Z-72@appsmail1.wpafb.af.mil>

The tone of both posts by our friend from Hong Kong were both awfully negative.  
Perhaps that part of the world one has to be less trusting?

I have always had great rapport with another PC rider.  Never been dissapointed.  
But then I've never been dissapointed by any Harley rider either. Expect the 
worse from people my Hong Kong friend and you won't be dissapointed either.

I bought a PC sight unseen and flew arcoss the USA to get it, only to find out I 
could not even see through the windshield at night.  I could not put up with it and 
ended up cutting it off in St. Louis on the way to Montana.  Don't ever use 
anything except lots of water on a Honda windshield!

MT^MT


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From: "Estes, Cory S" <EstesCS@88ABW.WPAFB.AF.MIL>
To: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Nicest People
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 11:54:54 -0500

>
>Yep,
>
>I'll bet Cassandra the the Millennium Turtle would get along, too.
>
>Cory S. Estes*
>
>'89 Honda Pacific Coast (Millennium Turtle) *Motorcycle Adventurist
>'90 Honda GB-500                                     *Observer of Humanity
>'97 Chevy S-10 Pick Up                             *Lover of Life
>
>
>


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From: "Jeff Hopkins" <hopkinsj@telepath.com>
To: "Johan Lai" <jlai@filenet.com>, "VR2XVI" <pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk>
Cc: <PC800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: For Sale
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 09:50:25 -0600

To PC User's Group

What Mr. Wong is failing to tell you is I offered to send him his money
back without returning the windshield and he never replied back to me.  I
told him the shield had 30,000 miles of riding on it and he expects a
shield with that many miles to be flawless.  I wouldn't.  He also failed to
tell the group how gamey he was in trying to get me to ship the thing to
him.  I wish I'd never delt with him.  

There is always more to the story than is being told.  

Jeff Hopkins


----------
> From: Johan Lai <jlai@filenet.com>
> To: VR2XVI <pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk>
> Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu
> Subject: Re: For Sale
> Date: Monday, February 03, 1997 9:22 AM
> 
> Bum deal Philips.  Perhaps you would like to share with us the
> gentleman's
> name so the rest of us could be more careful if we were to purchase from
> him?  Of course it's hard to describe and interpret those descriptions
> of
> merchandise in email, but the attitude is surprising since most PC'ers 
> (at least ones on this list) are not your typical bad ass rider.  We did 
> run into a red PC on our last ride.  He stopped to see our 6 PC's parked 
> together while we were in a restaurant.  Eric and I decided to go out 
> and greet him and see if perhaps he'd like to join us.  He said to us, 
> "well, my primary ride is down (a Connie) so I'm stuck with this for a 
> while."  Eric and I said, "well then, have a nice ride" and walked back 
> into the restaurant.  In my mind I'm thinking "doesn't that tell you
> something?"  Gee, I hope he's not reading this :)
> 
> Cheers,
> Johan Lai
> Orange, CA
> '89 "Cassandra"
> 
> VR2XVI wrote:
> > 
> > Hi those who interested in getting the following,
> > 
> > > Body in good shape, tires like new,
> > > runs great.  Has tall Honda windshield (needs replacing) and back
rest...
> > 
> > I suggest you see the real thing before you make your decision and pay.
 When
> > somebody told you his equipment is in good condition, been well care
for...
> > bla bla bla, that may be a piece of junk, and later will tell you he
sell it
> > because he think it is f**K.  I kept all emails with this gentleman and
will
> > post an intersting story within these days.  My advice : obvious
description
> > means NOTHING.
> > 
> > Believe it or not, I am not attacking, or going to attack anybody. 
Just
> > telling something TRUE and let everybody see the real picture.  I
DIDN'T
> > LIE AT LEAST!
> > 
> > > This is a good one and will make someone a hell of
> > > a bike.
> > 
> > Part of my story:
> > A gentleman from the no helmet State of OK sold me a tall windshield
that
> > described as "in good condition", "been well care for", "always cleaned
> > by HONDA cleaner", also promised to "give a good clean" before
shipping.
> > What I got finally is a shield with 2 large patches of hard coating
went
> > off, each with area no smaller than palm size; not less than 60
scratches
> > (I use a wyteboard marker to mark and count the scratches and give up
when
> > going up to 60); dirt found on shield.
> > I told this gentleman how disappointed I was and what I got in my inbox
the
> > next day is "grow up, big boy", "you want perfection", "I think it is
fu*k",
> > "I don't need you to tell me how to care my equipment"...  I must point
out
> > that I clearly informed that I was not demanding any refund.  Just told
him
> > how bad my feeling is, and I expected to have some explaination about
wrong
> > interpretation on "good condition", "well care for"...
> > I never awared of somebody here will sell his equipment that he think
that is
> > fuc* without any advice.  This is how this gentleman treat people.
> > 
> > p.s. The tall shield is free for anybody who want it, postage yours. 
In fact,
> >      no PC riders here interested in getting it even for free.  Oh yes,
I
> >      paid $100.
> >
> --
> Visit the PC800 web page at <URL:http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800/>
> To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a
> message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu.
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Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 09:35:15 -0800
To: denko@ix.netcom.com, cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
From: John LaFreniere <johnl@general.net>
Subject: Bike Rentals & short trip report
Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu


Summary:  I'm glad to be back on my '89 PC.  Still the most comfortable bike
I've ever ridden.  The PC (imho) is better than the sportster AND the
$20,000 soft-tail in all areas except speed.  The Harleys may handle the
curves a little better, but I didn't really push it hard enough to try.

The longer version:
The Ride was a lot of fun.  I rented a '97 Sportster1200 with 600 miles and
my wife rented a  '97 Sportster "Hugger"883  with only 200 miles.  After
riding about 100 miles, I stopped back at the rental place to drop a friend
off at his car.  The guy (Ralph) who manages the operation came out to talk
to us.  When I told him I thought the sportster was a little uncomfortable
for me (my butt got sore on the small seat) (well you asked for a report :))
he recommended I upgrade to a soft-tail (no pun intended) 1380cc Cruiser.
This was much more comfortable than the sportster, but it took a little
getting used to.  If the PC is like sitting on a sofa, The soft-tail is like
reclining in a lazy-boy.  

The total rental cost was $238 for 2 bikes for 1 day.   (noon saturday till
noon sunday)  That included $20 per bike for a damage waiver with a $1500
deductable.  (Credit card deposit required) and upgrading to the soft-tail.

They are using the Budget Rent a Car office in Beverly Hills, CA,  Santa
Monica Blvd @ Wilshire.  1-888-we-rent-mc

They supply a free helmet (or 2) if desired.  I had my own, so I don't know
about that.  The bikes also had saddle bags and a kryptonite lock included.
They said they keep only current year bikes, and sell last years models to
their rental customers who put their names on a list for them.

I am VERY HAPPY that I did this.  Seeing how Harleys compare to the PC,
makes me feel so much better about the PC800 purchase.  I wish I could find
a place to rent a ST1100.  I'd hate to spend $12,000 to find out I like the
PC better.  On the other hand, my wife now wants to buy the 883 hugger.  She
may put her name on the list.

At some point, I may decide to rent the Road King ($150/day) for a weekend
ride to Death Valley or AZ.  

Pictures and a few more details will be available on my web site by
wednesday... but you should go there now and bookmark it :> 

                              http://john.csun.edu

Questions / Comments welcome.

John LaFreniere
John LaFreniere
http://john.csun.edu


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From: PILEWIS1@CONCENTRIC.NET
Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 09:37:00 -0800
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: The World!!

The world can be a beautiful place to live, with more of God's Love and
less distrust and animositiy.

Please enjoy the Days we have!

Phil


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From: "Estes, Cory S" <EstesCS@88ABW.WPAFB.AF.MIL>
To: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: The World!!
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 13:12:23 -0500

>
>
>The world can be a beautiful place to live, with more of God's Love and
>less distrust and animositiy.
>
>Please enjoy the Days we have!

Yep, there's a guy after my own heart. Rah, rah.  Always thought Rodney
King was a looser, big time, but I like the "Can't, can't we all just
get along?" thing.
Every day certainly is a gift that should be opened with care then
savored and cherished.  

Cory S. Estes*

'89 Honda Pacific Coast (Millennium Turtle) *Motorcycle Adventurist
'90 Honda GB-500                                     *Observer of
Humanity
'97 Chevy S-10 Pick Up                             *Lover of Life

>


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Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 13:24:14 +0000
From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS)
Subject: Ward and June Cleaver are Dead
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu


The older I get, the more that I realize that nothing is perfect.

I think that if a deal goes down poorly between two on the news group then it 
is fair to disclose the details.  But I think the names should be kept out.  
If someone is interested in finding out whom they dealt with they can e-mail 
directly to the author.  I think there are always 2 sides to every story.  I 
am NOT making a judgement to what has recently happened.  I am just 
uncomfortable about someone losing their credibility when I am not 100% sure 
that I have all the facts.  And as I am not pursuing the facts I don't think 
it is fair for me to form a negative opinion.  

Now if it was a dealer, and someone wanted to share their experience, that's 
fine.  I feel that since there are usually more than one person to work with 
at a dealer you might have the chance of avoiding the problem person.  If 
nothing else you will be going into the situation with some prior knowledge 
that may help you.

Lets try to move on.  I have bought and sold more than a couple of things to 
people on the list and my experience was FANTASTIC.  I would hate to lose that 
ability.

That's my $.2.  

Chris Klass
95 PC800


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Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 14:45:24 -0400
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay)
Subject: Re: Re: Wearing down the pegs

Howdy.

I've worn the special round-head *nuts* at the end of the pegs down to
where the bolts start, a couple of times -- leading to being able to go to
the parts counter and tell the joke

        You: What do you call two nuts on a chest?
        Him: ... ??
        You: Chestnuts.  What do you call two nuts on beach?
        Him: ... beachnuts?
        You: Right.  What do you call two nuts on a chin?
        Him: ... ? chin-nuts?
        You: [look'm dead in the eye]  Blowjob.

Jason writes:

>Kent (a past list member) was known for being able to scrape the crash
>protectors.  Yes, he actually ground down the bumpers to the point where
>leaning any further meant that the frame hit the asphalt.

Unless we have witnesses, it is also possible that Kent was given to a
teensy weensy bit of exaggeration.  Kent also said that he did it at 70
miles an hour.  To lean the bike over that far at that speed, he must have
been in a corner marked for under 40, and I can't think of any corner
anywhere marked for 40 that I would feel comfortable burning around and not
worrying about the cement bags, Granny and her cane, Betty and her horse,
or Uncle Phil backing his wood-panelled wagon out.  A racetrack, sure, but
he was talking about the road.

>I scraped a peg exactly once in three years on my PC.  It scared the hell
>out of me.

It is terrifying the first couple times because of the noise and your foot
getting bumped as the peg is pushed up.  It's fine if you're expecting it.

>GC> If the consensus is that scraping the pegs is a non-event on dry
>GC> pavement, I may get up the guts to push my (very small) envelope on a
>GC> nice safe slow curve one of these days.

Or in a big parking lot on a Sunday.  The PC lets you do easily do stunts
that must be quite breathtaking- to see our huge bike lean over to the
point where the pegs are scraping has *got* to be pretty amazing, and
leaving a string of sparks is a great way to catch someone's attention if
the bike itself hasn't.  (I assume, anyway- you don't really get to look
back.)  And sometimes passengers have screeeeaamed -- which some passengers
enjoy, and others don't.

But, at that angle I feel that I don't have a lot of "control headroom" and
I also worry about a passenger freaking beyond the point of me being able
to control the bike.

>GC> So the big question is: Have you ever lost traction on dry smooth
>GC> pavement (or elsewhere) before you scraped the pegs?

No, I don't think it would.  But as Jason writes, it's not an
all-or-nothing thing.  I *have* felt the back tire slipping now and then-
some pavement just doesn't seem to have the expected amount of traction,
and certainly when it's cold and the tires are cold they don't grab as
much.  I *have* lost traction totally on ice and mud but that's my own
fool-ass fault, and my parts guy loves me for it.  Even if he doesn't
appreciate my sense of humour.

--
Daniel MacKay                                   Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca
Homo habilis                                    Nova Scotia, Canada


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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Re: Wearing down the pegs
From: Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: 03 Feb 1997 13:09:25 -0600
Lines: 19

>>>>> "DM" == Daniel MacKay <Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca> writes:

DM> Unless we have witnesses, it is also possible that Kent was given to a
DM> teensy weensy bit of exaggeration.

Well, he was riding at the head of a pack, and he grew up riding the Blue
Ridge Parkway.

DM> A racetrack, sure, but he was talking about the road.

Mulholland Drive, more specifically, although TX336 and 337 around Bandera
also offer the same potential.  Plus he used some pretty weird tire
combinations, like Battlaxes.

Of course, I'm in no way saying that turning like that is an _intelligent_
thing to do, only that it is possible to pick up that much lean with a good
rider and good tires.

 - J<


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Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 13:41:53 +0000
From: Gary Wilson <gcw0766@88net.net>
To: pacific coast list <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: For Sale

> > I suggest you see the real thing before you make your decision and pay.  When
> > somebody told you his equipment is in good condition, been well care for...
> > bla bla bla, that may be a piece of junk, 
etc etc....

caveat emptor
i bought my pc off the net 1500 miles away.  of course the seller in most 
instances will not say everything which is wrong with the bike, and i had 
to presume that everything may be wrong with it.  took it to a qualified 
honda mechanic and had it checked out.  that's all you can do.  
gary. 89pc.


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From: "Estes, Cory S" <EstesCS@88ABW.WPAFB.AF.MIL>
To: "'Jason L Tibbitts III'" <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu>,
        "'PC800 List'"
	 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Wearing down the pegs
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 14:54:33 -0500

I happened to be watching some bike racing on Speedvision last evening.
I believe it was World Superbike at Hockenheim Ring.  The commentators
were talking about the lean angles achieved by the racers and commented
that one of the reasons "you shouldn't try this at home" is that it's
nearly impossible to get tire temperatures up high enough on the street
to get that kinna' stick.  Thought about this thread when they said
that.

Cory S. Estes*

'89 Honda Pacific Coast (Millennium Turtle) *Motorcycle Adventurist
'90 Honda GB-500                                    *Observer of
Humanity
'97 Chevy S-10 Pick Up                             *Lover of Life
>


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Date: 03 Feb 97 14:57:35 EST
From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM>
To: HondaPacificCoastOwners <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Cc: HSTA Postings to List <hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu>
Subject: Business deals...peg scraping

JMHO...Just my hjumble opinion...

Business deals should be kept private between the particiapting individuals...no
names, please.

Peg scraping...who cares? What if each of us could never ride with anyone else,
and not talk about our riding! Sorta like the preacher who took Sunday off to
play golf. He scored a hole-in-one one very hole. Yet...who could he tell it to?

I had a wife of one of our members take me over to her husband's bike to show me
where he had scraped the pegs. Again, I say...who cares? The next thing we know,
someone is going to claim that he has scraped the end of his handlebars! Please,
folks...

For example, show me that you have a good command of the language, that youi can
stand up and talk in front of a group of people, that you are doing well with
both your personal and business life, that you are honest and forthright.
But...I don't want to see the bottom of your pegs! I really don't!

Sorry, but I'm not interested. If you want to impress me, show me what you can
do after you've dismounted!  I'm just not a group rider...I know my limits, and
I normally ride by myself because no one cares to ride at my reduced pace!

But...I enjoy my riding as much as the next dude...

Just my $ .02 worth...

Dana Sawyer

P.S. Many of us try to impress others with our personal possessions...our cars,
our bikes, our homes, our clothes. What if we were to stand alone, away from our
jewels and other possessions, stark naked as the day which we were born?
Then...stand there and tell me all about yourself! I'll listen...honest! and...I
won't peek!


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Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 13:12:41 -0800
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: John LaFreniere <johnl@general.net>
Subject: scraping pegs (another opinion...)



There is, I think, a reasonable risk factor involved in riding on public
streets and hiways.  I look at as a "skill / luck ratio" which for most of
us with a few years experience is sometihng like 95%+ skill and 5%- luck.  

Scraping pegs (read wheelies, etc) in an uncontrolled enviroment is foolish
regardless of your skill level because you begin to rely on your luck to a
much greater extent than your skill.  When you go around a curvy road, it
doesn't matter how skillful you are if you hit a gravel patch while at
60+mph scrapping your pegs.  At that point you are relying on your luck
about 90% and your skill only about 10%.  Taking that same curve at 30
actually lets you rely much more on skill than luck!

The truly skilled rider will take that curve just fast enough to avoid
whatever obstacle might be encountered along the way.  No matter how great a
rider you are, you will end up hurt or killed eventually if continually rely
on your luck rather than your skill.  Which would actuall be OK with me,
except you may even take out another motorcyclist (me!) on your way down.  

Riding a bike is exciting and fun.  Just riding normally is like riding a
roller coaster to work every morning.  Also, I like to feel in control,
which I do riding my bike a lot more than in a car.  When I feel a need to
be out of control, I'll go to Magic Mountain and do "free fall" or play
"kick-boxer" at the arcade or... let my WIFE drive!  

John
http://john.csun.edu

John LaFreniere
http://john.csun.edu


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Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 17:39:15 -0600
From: Wells Family <twells@execpc.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Business deals...peg scraping

Dana Sawyer:								
	Hear,Hear could not have said it better myself.I'll ride at your 
conversational pace anyday.						
				Tom Wells				
				Wisconsin				
				95'pc800


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From: "Jeff Hopkins" <hopkinsj@telepath.com>
To: "PC 800 Group" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Sale of PC800
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 18:06:02 -0600

Sold the PC800 about an hour ago.  Thanks for the interest shown even
though Mr. Wong did some slamming of my character.  Mr. Wong, what goes
around comes around.

Jeff Hopkins


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From: "Abbey Perez" <aperez@pecorp.com>
To: "Jeff Hopkins" <hopkinsj@telepath.com>, "PC 800 Group" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Sale of PC800
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 18:11:29 -0600

Jeff,
Just take it in stride.  There is a saying, "what do you expect from a pig
but a grunt".

Abbey


----------
> From: Jeff Hopkins <hopkinsj@telepath.com>
> To: PC 800 Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
> Subject: Sale of PC800
> Date: Monday, February 03, 1997 6:06 PM
> 
> Sold the PC800 about an hour ago.  Thanks for the interest shown even
> though Mr. Wong did some slamming of my character.  Mr. Wong, what goes
> around comes around.
> 
> Jeff Hopkins
> 
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Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 15:22:00 -0900 (AKST)
To: "Abbey Perez" <aperez@pecorp.com>
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: Sale of PC800
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

At 18:11 2/3/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Jeff,
>Just take it in stride.  There is a saying, "what do you expect from a pig
>but a grunt".

I feel this remark was uncalled for, in the public forum context.  If you want
to keep this flame skirmish up, keep it private.  Thank you.

Juan
"The best long distance runners eat raw meat, run naked and sleep in the snow"
						  -- from an Alaska Airlines ad
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From: salpepe@ix.netcom.com
          by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4)
	  id SAA10723; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 18:42:53 -0600 (CST)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 18:42:53 -0600 (CST)
To: "'PC800"@ix.netcom.com
To: List'""@ix.netcom.com
To: <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Dealers/Mechanics


	Greetings all,


	Can any of you pc800 owners in NYC refer me to a reputable dealer/mechanic ?


	Thanks, in advance!!


	Sal Pepe 


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From: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: Re: Dissapointment
To: MDTurley@wtp.net (Michael D Turley)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 97 10:40:27 WST
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

Hi Mic!
 
> The tone of both posts by our friend from Hong Kong were both awfully negat..
> Perhaps that part of the world one has to be less trusting?

That's just the same between either side of the Pacific Ocean, good and bad guys
all living on this planet.  I trust people on the 1st place until they showed
something negative, and I just hate somebody who abused my trust system.  I
still remember I sent my money to Jeff and then he sent his shield, then I had
2 emails from him, complaining the late payment.  From the tone of the email,
I can see he didn't trust people, I felt insulted.

> I have always had great rapport with another PC rider.Never been dissapointed

Me too, and this is the 1st time I was treated in such a way.  I travel to
North America at least once a year, and bring back bikes and parts, my
Gold Wings from Boston, PC800 from Vancouver BC, BMW K75 from San Francisco.
They're all nice people and honest.  Am I wrong if I want a trade to be dealed
on a fair ground?

I was more than honest in trading with Mr Jeff Hopkins for his $100 shield,
same that words, I DIDN'T LIE TO ANYBODY.  Still Jeff has none a word on
how to explain his "good condition", "been well care for"...  And Jeff, you
didn't told me the mileage you put on the shield.  I kept all the emails, are
you realy want to post them?  Including your fu*ks? 

p.s. Thanks for the refund offer, Jeff, I didn't reply to you as :
     1. That will start an endless dispute
     2. I don't need that $100 money, I promise to buy and so I paid, I did
        nothing wrong and I proudly to say I AM MORE THAN HONEST, could you?

-- 
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Philips Wong,                    '84 HONDA GL1200A     <-- Classic!     *
  *      VR2XVI <-- HAM                    Gold Wing Aspencade               *
  *      PCA420 <-- Royal Hong Kong   '90 HONDA PC800  red  <-- Little Wing  *
  *                  Aux. Police           Yeh, Wing front look and spoiler  *
  *      101177 <-- the only GWRRA    '95 HONDA GL1500SE    <-- Chrome!      *
  *                  member in HK          The flooded bike                  *
  *                                                                          *
  *  Police Training School taught :   HONDA   CBX750       <-- Police       *
  *  " I have the honour to be, Sir,   YAMAHA  Diversion 600<--    work      *
  *       your obedient servant!"      HONDA   CBX250       <--       bike   *
  *                                                                          *
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Will work for gas & chrome.  I have two Wings, and a baby Wing at home. *
  ****************************************************************************


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From: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: Re: Sale of PC800
To: aperez@pecorp.com (Abbey Perez)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 97 10:47:31 WST
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu


> Just take it in stride.  There is a saying, "what do you expect from a pig
> but a grunt".

Abbey,

English is not my native language, and my English is poor, could you explain
further on what you said above?
 
-- 
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Philips Wong,                    '84 HONDA GL1200A     <-- Classic!     *
  *      VR2XVI <-- HAM                    Gold Wing Aspencade               *
  *      PCA420 <-- Royal Hong Kong   '90 HONDA PC800  red  <-- Little Wing  *
  *                  Aux. Police           Yeh, Wing front look and spoiler  *
  *      101177 <-- the only GWRRA    '95 HONDA GL1500SE    <-- Chrome!      *
  *                  member in HK          The flooded bike                  *
  *                                                                          *
  *  Police Training School taught :   HONDA   CBX750       <-- Police       *
  *  " I have the honour to be, Sir,   YAMAHA  Diversion 600<--    work      *
  *       your obedient servant!"      HONDA   CBX250       <--       bike   *
  *                                                                          *
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Will work for gas & chrome.  I have two Wings, and a baby Wing at home. *
  ****************************************************************************


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Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 21:59:21 -0800
From: "D. Sampson" <dsampson@pacbell.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Windshields

I would be interested to learn about other members experiences with
either the Hondaline or Rifle windshields.


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From: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: Re: Victim
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 97 14:10:17 WST

> 
> You play the victim role so well.......you deserve an oscar.

Don't worry Jeff, I'll post your email together with my words and let the
listers to judge who deserve an oscar more.  Don't overlook, everything I
mention will include SOLID evidence.

(Sorry there still none a word from you about how you interpret about "good
 conditions"...bla bla bla)  Now do you really want me to have everything
 exposed?  Ask Johan Lai, I mentioned to him about the case months ago,
 if I want to attack anybody, I should have posted the story long time
 ago.  But I only mentioned to Johan (also another lister, can't recall 
 the name) about a "nasty experience with another lister" and didn't
 even mention your name.  Maybe I really deserve an oscar, and an award
 of the best planner.  Ask Johan, then you all will see the truth, the 
 same old words "I DIDN'T LIE", do you?
 
-- 
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Philips Wong,                    '84 HONDA GL1200A     <-- Classic!     *
  *      VR2XVI <-- HAM                    Gold Wing Aspencade               *
  *      PCA420 <-- Royal Hong Kong   '90 HONDA PC800  red  <-- Little Wing  *
  *                  Aux. Police           Yeh, Wing front look and spoiler  *
  *      101177 <-- the only GWRRA    '95 HONDA GL1500SE    <-- Chrome!      *
  *                  member in HK          The flooded bike                  *
  *                                                                          *
  *  Police Training School taught :   HONDA   CBX750       <-- Police       *
  *  " I have the honour to be, Sir,   YAMAHA  Diversion 600<--    work      *
  *       your obedient servant!"      HONDA   CBX250       <--       bike   *
  *                                                                          *
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Will work for gas & chrome.  I have two Wings, and a baby Wing at home. *
  ****************************************************************************


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From: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: Re: Windshields
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 97 14:19:02 WST

  
> I would be interested to learn about other members experiences with
> either the Hondaline or Rifle windshields.

Everybody say the Rifle is much better but too bad I didn't try it.  Maybe
I should include the Rifle in my shopping list in my next trip to North
America. (Postage from US to Hong Kong is just too expensive, and I have to
travel to and fro between these 2 places anyway).

-- 
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Philips Wong,                    '84 HONDA GL1200A     <-- Classic!     *
  *      VR2XVI <-- HAM                    Gold Wing Aspencade               *
  *      PCA420 <-- Royal Hong Kong   '90 HONDA PC800  red  <-- Little Wing  *
  *                  Aux. Police           Yeh, Wing front look and spoiler  *
  *      101177 <-- the only GWRRA    '95 HONDA GL1500SE    <-- Chrome!      *
  *                  member in HK          The flooded bike                  *
  *                                                                          *
  *  Police Training School taught :   HONDA   CBX750       <-- Police       *
  *  " I have the honour to be, Sir,   YAMAHA  Diversion 600<--    work      *
  *       your obedient servant!"      HONDA   CBX250       <--       bike   *
  *                                                                          *
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Will work for gas & chrome.  I have two Wings, and a baby Wing at home. *
  ****************************************************************************


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From: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: Re: Victim
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 97 14:44:40 WST

  
> You play the victim role so well.......you deserve an oscar.

That's useless Jeff, if you choose to fight back, what you should do is

TELL THE FACTS.

But till now there's none a word about it.  No worry Sir, I'll do that for 
you.  In fact, after months of cooling down, I decided to give up to tell 
story here.  I mentioned the case only to remind listers here to see the
real thing before they buy, that's it.  Your bike maybe really nice and mint,
I can't comment because I never see it, but I can imagine the rest for
one selling ones 18 months old shield (with more than 20K miles of mileage
- known today) for $100 without any advices.  Am I lied?  Please say YES
or NO, Jeff.

Lesson of the day : What goes around comes around.  Thank you Mr. Hopkins.
 
-- 
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Philips Wong,                    '84 HONDA GL1200A     <-- Classic!     *
  *      VR2XVI <-- HAM                    Gold Wing Aspencade               *
  *      PCA420 <-- Royal Hong Kong   '90 HONDA PC800  red  <-- Little Wing  *
  *                  Aux. Police           Yeh, Wing front look and spoiler  *
  *      101177 <-- the only GWRRA    '95 HONDA GL1500SE    <-- Chrome!      *
  *                  member in HK          The flooded bike                  *
  *                                                                          *
  *  Police Training School taught :   HONDA   CBX750       <-- Police       *
  *  " I have the honour to be, Sir,   YAMAHA  Diversion 600<--    work      *
  *       your obedient servant!"      HONDA   CBX250       <--       bike   *
  *                                                                          *
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Will work for gas & chrome.  I have two Wings, and a baby Wing at home. *
  ****************************************************************************


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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Flaming
From: Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: 04 Feb 1997 01:17:15 -0600
Lines: 23

OK, I don't want to come off as being Draconian, but I object to the use of
a mailing list that I maintain to air some personal dirty laundry.  I
personally don't have the time to act as ombudsman in this, though perhaps
some other list member might want to.

I won't take sides in this, because personally I haven't been paying enough
attention to say one way or the other.  All I'm asking is that the parties
take it to personal email.  I know someone's being left without the last
word and I hope that both parties will just let this drop off of the public
forum.  I hope that I can speak for everyone and say that because the
argument isn't complete and because I don't want to let it be completed
here that nobody will hold anybody's character in lower regard.

If this argument continues, _and_ if other list members let me know through
private mail that they do not want to read it, I will switch the list into
moderated mode and dump said argument straight to /dev/null.  (I won't do
this unilaterally because I do not generally believe in censorship, but if
list members tell me that the extra useless traffic is a hardship to them I
will be forced to do something.)

Now: grow up.

 - J<


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From: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: My apology
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 97 15:28:38 WST

Hi all!

I have emails from Dana and John, about the shield story between me and Mr.
Jeff Hopkins.  Some of you listers may think that shouldn't be keep going,
and yes I agree, that's a kind of dispute between 2 parties, and off topic too.

Honestly, I am not going to attack Mr. Jeff Hopkins, or anybody.  It all
happened months ago, and all you netters can see I did nothing before Mr.
Hopkins posted to sell his bike.  I think I should remind listers here to be
careful when deal with this guy, and that's it.  Be careful is beneficial,
and won't hurt anybody, right?

I said, I'll post the whole story here at once, and let you listers see the 
real picture.  Now I withdraw this as doing so is off topic and just a waste
of bandwidth.  For anybody interested to know more, send me private email,
I'll send you the story in whole.

Thanks for listening, and sorry for the waste of bandwidth.  if I overlooked
anything, please let me know, like John and Dana, I am always listening.

OK, let's  back to our PC800s, and let this nasty things over.   

-- 
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Philips Wong,                    '84 HONDA GL1200A     <-- Classic!     *
  *      VR2XVI <-- HAM                    Gold Wing Aspencade               *
  *      PCA420 <-- Royal Hong Kong   '90 HONDA PC800  red  <-- Little Wing  *
  *                  Aux. Police           Yeh, Wing front look and spoiler  *
  *      101177 <-- the only GWRRA    '95 HONDA GL1500SE    <-- Chrome!      *
  *                  member in HK          The flooded bike                  *
  *                                                                          *
  *  Police Training School taught :   HONDA   CBX750       <-- Police       *
  *  " I have the honour to be, Sir,   YAMAHA  Diversion 600<--    work      *
  *       your obedient servant!"      HONDA   CBX250       <--       bike   *
  *                                                                          *
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Will work for gas & chrome.  I have two Wings, and a baby Wing at home. *
  ****************************************************************************


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From: Timmacy@aol.com
	  by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id FAA24362 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Tue, 4 Feb 1997 05:02:52 -0500 (EST)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 05:02:52 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Warranty Extension...

Hey, Everybody!  I'm within sight of the end of my 3-year warranty (March
17th) and so far the only thing that I've had to do under warranty was the
speedo cable replacement.  I've got 37,800 on the '94 StealthMobile and it's
running like a top (round and round and...!).  

I can extend the warranty for another three years for $625.  I know it's good
insurance, but has anyone else out there extended their warranty?  Was it
worth your $$$?  I look forward to any and all feedback.  And...if all else
fails...I will bow to the North and ask Juan the King!  :-}}

Tim


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From: Timmacy@aol.com
	  by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id GAA02241 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Tue, 4 Feb 1997 06:04:28 -0500 (EST)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 06:04:28 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: The Essence Of It All...

In a message dated 97-01-30 04:37:44 EST, JT wrote:

<< ...Had to run in 3rd gear just to maintain about 60 mph; got less than 25
mpg; fouled
 two plugs (wrong heat range for that kind of engine duty); and got the side
of my neck sandblasted raw.  Such days make for great stories, but what I
want to know is why do we do this to ourselves? >>

I feel that JT has touched upon a question that may very well go to the root
of why motorcycling still exists in today's world.  Why, indeed, do we do
this to ourselves?  Why would I be crazy enough to ride the 400-mile round
trip to Seattle for the motorcycle show in 38-degree weather?  Why did Juan
and Cory ride from Fairbanks, Alaska, to the southeastern United States just
for a motorcycle gathering?  What made Bryce ride a circle of the borders of
his home state of Washington in a monsoon?  Why does Jo Ruby own a motorcycle
on an island where she can only ride 30 miles in any direction from the city?
And on and on....

Why do we do this to ourselves? Why do we expose ourselves to the weather and
the city traffic and the menaces of wandering wildlife when we're exploring
back roads? Why do we plan trips that push us to the limits of our endurance
or test our riding skills on every kind of surface from superslab to dirt?
 How come we plan "just one last trip" far beyond that inevitable time every
Fall when the gas stabilizer goes in the tank and the plastic gets draped
over the paint? 

Why indeed!  Why do we enjoy the wind in our face and the smell of the forest
that's lost to the person with the windows up listening to the hum of the air
conditioning?  Why do we love the exhileration of negotiating 20 miles of
twisties when we're "in the groove"?  Why is the throbbing of a v-twin and
the surge of power from twisting the wrist so intoxicating?  Why is it so
hard to wipe off the grin that creeps across your face when you're sitting
next to a family at a stop light and the little kid in the back seat shyly
gives you a "thumbs up"?  

I know why I do this to myself and so do you.  But I'm not going to try'n
explain it to someone who doesn't.  They'd never understand.

Still Motorcycle Therapy To Me,

Tim
Portland, OR
'94 PC800 - 37,800 and riding


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From: "Estes, Cory S" <EstesCS@88ABW.WPAFB.AF.MIL>
To: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: Flaming
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 08:10:57 -0500

Jason wrote:

>Now: grow up.

Amen, brother.

'nuff said.

Cory S. Estes*

'89 Honda Pacific Coast (Millennium Turtle) *Motorcycle Adventurist
'90 Honda GB-500                                     *Observer of
Humanity
'97 Chevy S-10 Pick Up                             *Lover of Life
>


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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 09:05:51 -0500 (EST)
From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Speaking of flame bait....

Hi, All,

Well, perhaps I'm opening myself up here to being called
"politically correct," (BTW, is anyone else *really* tired of 
that becomine a euphemism for showing ANY sensitivity to virtually
anything?).

BUT....I sometimes wonder if it wouldn't be more appropriate for 
everyone reading this list if some didn't treat it like a private
Boys Club.  What I'm referring to is the (very) rare off-color joke,
like the recent "what do you call two nuts on a..." 

Sure, we've all laughed at either that joke or ones like it, but 
that doesn't mean we should accept the rapidly growing trend to
say whatever we want wherever we want.  

What happened to being polite? What happened to being respectful
of other people? What happened to not using inappropriate language
in public for the simple reason that it diminishes in some way
those who use it and those who have to listen to it? 

This is a serious trend.  You've all seen it in action.  There is
a growing lack of civility going around that I find frightening.

Thanks for listening,

Alan

'89 PC800
'94 XV535 (The Better Half's)


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Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 09:17:08 +0000
From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS)
Subject: Flamming
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

I definitely agree that enough is enough!  And I won't let this change how 
much I love this group!

Chris Klass


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Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 09:29:59 +0000
From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS)
Subject: NYC MC Show
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

OK, let get on to so more relitive info.  As many of you know, the NYC MC Show 
is from 2-7 till 2-9 (fri - sun).  I will be getting the times and prices 
later on this afternoon.  I thought it might be a good idea if all those going 
could let me know, and I would post a schedule.  Then if you wanted to hook up 
with someone or a group you could e-mail them directly.  What do you think?  
So let me know what all of your plans are.  If things go well with this I will 
do it for CT Super Ride  < http://www.connix.com/~superide/ >, Americade, and 
the Races in NH.  

Anyhow let me know!

If you have the time to surf check this plase out as it has a list of WAY too 
many places:  < http://www.info1.com/Motorcycles/ >

Man, I have WAy tooooo much free time!
Thanks

Chris Klass

 04 Feb 1997 07:07:13 -0700 (PDT)
 <01BC126A.A12F5B80@cypspain.ug.eds.com>; Tue, 04 Feb 1997 07:11:23 -0800

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Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 07:11:19 -0800
From: Harrison Spain <_spain@edsug.com>
Subject: Removing scuff marks from your PC800
To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>

I doubt this is a great discovery but I thought I'd pass it along :-).  I 
recall hearing something about using various size grit powder to remove 
scratches etc from the plastic 'skin' of a PC800.

I have little chance of finding such stuff (or probably affording it if I 
could find it) :-) but had several fairly serious scuff marks on my PC800 
('89 white).

Some of those in my riding group will remember seeing a rather large black 
scuff on my left mirror.  There were also several on the trunk and a few 
darker areas on the sides.  How they got there, I have no idea :-).

At any rate, I've found a way to remove these scuff marks.  All you do is 
wet a rag and put a very small amount of Comet (the kitchen cleanser) on 
the rag.  A little rubbing and the marks will all be gone!  I suspect this 
removes a small amount of the surface shine but a little buffing with a 
soft cloth should restore this (I could not tell the difference between 
those areas I cleaned and areas that were already in 'perfect' condition; 
remember though the bike *is* seven years old) :-).

You can also use this technique on your helmet :-).

Enjoy!

Harrison


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Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 10:46:06 -0500
From: Roger Prince <roger@etgn14.webo.dg.com>
To: Harrison Spain <_spain@edsug.com>
Cc: "'PC800 Mailing List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Removing scuff marks from your PC800

I have heard of using toothpaste.  The whitener may be optional for
'89s:)?  How about jeweler's rouge?

Roger

Harrison Spain wrote:
> 
> I doubt this is a great discovery but I thought I'd pass it along :-).  I
> recall hearing something about using various size grit powder to remove
> scratches etc from the plastic 'skin' of a PC800.
> 
> I have little chance of finding such stuff (or probably affording it if I
> could find it) :-) but had several fairly serious scuff marks on my PC800
> ('89 white).
> 
> Some of those in my riding group will remember seeing a rather large black
> scuff on my left mirror.  There were also several on the trunk and a few
> darker areas on the sides.  How they got there, I have no idea :-).
> 
> At any rate, I've found a way to remove these scuff marks.  All you do is
> wet a rag and put a very small amount of Comet (the kitchen cleanser) on
> the rag.  A little rubbing and the marks will all be gone!  I suspect this
> removes a small amount of the surface shine but a little buffing with a
> soft cloth should restore this (I could not tell the difference between
> those areas I cleaned and areas that were already in 'perfect' condition;
> remember though the bike *is* seven years old) :-).
> 
> You can also use this technique on your helmet :-).
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> Harrison
> 
>


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From: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: Re: Removing scuff marks from your PC800
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 97 0:18:41 WST

Hi!
 
> I have heard of using toothpaste.  The whitener may be optional for
> '89s:)?  How about jeweler's rouge?

You may also use Light Duty Rubbing Compound from 3M, part # 051131-06049
to do the job.  It's abrasive but it is fine enough to remove any tiny 
scratch and restore the shine.  It works great on my bikes and is safe
for the clear coat if you rub it gently and not too often.  I use this
monthly to restore the paint surfaces of my bikes and helmets for 2 years.
Try it, you won't regret.
 
-- 
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Philips Wong,                    '84 HONDA GL1200A     <-- Classic!     *
  *      VR2XVI <-- HAM                    Gold Wing Aspencade               *
  *      PCA420 <-- Royal Hong Kong   '90 HONDA PC800  red  <-- Little Wing  *
  *                  Aux. Police           Yeh, Wing front look and spoiler  *
  *      101177 <-- the only GWRRA    '95 HONDA GL1500SE    <-- Chrome!      *
  *                  member in HK          The flooded bike                  *
  *                                                                          *
  *  Police Training School taught :   HONDA   CBX750       <-- Police       *
  *  " I have the honour to be, Sir,   YAMAHA  Diversion 600<--    work      *
  *       your obedient servant!"      HONDA   CBX250       <--       bike   *
  *                                                                          *
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Will work for gas & chrome.  I have two Wings, and a baby Wing at home. *
  ****************************************************************************


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Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 09:50:53 -0800
From: Dave Gross <dkgross@halcyon.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: scuff marks etc..

well..through my experience, SIMPLE GREEN is the best stuff on the
planet for removing everything from scuff marks, to cleaning the
wheels.  Use a diluted amount for washing the bike, and use it straight
with a soft scrub brush on the wheels..works like a charm..and it's safe
for the environment :>)

Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, AKC
http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross


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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 10:11:33 -0800 (PST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Stephen A. Churchill" <schrchll@inetworld.net>
Subject: Thank you Mr Moderator

As the title says.  Appropriate action is approved.  (and thank you)
SAC '89PC 36k and counting


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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 09:36:44 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Warranty Extension...

At 05:02 2/4/97 -0500, Tim wrote:
>I can extend the warranty for another three years for $625.  I know it's good
>insurance, but has anyone else out there extended their warranty?  Was it
>worth your $$$?  I look forward to any and all feedback.

Hello Tim.  I bought a two year extension when I got the bike bringing up
the total to 5 years.  I didn't realize you could extend it further after
the date of purchase.  Might be something worth looking into, since my
warranty expires this June.

  I've only had one mechanical problem with my '90, when it had 0 miles (I'd
just trailered it 360 miles from Anchorage, and was anxious to go on a
shakedown ride) The fuel pump quit when I was about 50 yards from the garage
(down hill of it, of course).  Drained the battery, had to ask a friend to
help me push it back to the garage.  I did a little investigating, found out
what the problem was and called the local dealer. He said that I would have
to bring the whole bike. No, he couldn't just exchange the fuel pump, and
no, he didn't have the means to come and get it for me.  Several expleitives
followed after I hung up.  I took the fuel pump off, applied direct voltage
to the pump (charge... clear! zzzt!... We have a pulse!)Put it back on,
haven't had a problem since, 22k miles ago.

 So, in answer to your question, in a material sense the extended warranty
was not worth the money.  Was the peace of mind worth it?  Every single penny.
In fact, I'll be calling the dealer today to see if I can extend it further.
It is said that a good deal is one you are happy with.  You will have to
draw your own conclusions on that one.  Good luck!

Juan





>Tim
>
>--
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>To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a
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>
>
"The best long distance runners eat raw meat, run naked and sleep in the snow"
						  -- from an Alaska Airlines ad
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Juan A. Goula				'90 Honda PC800
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences	'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX
University of Alaska Fairbanks		'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat
(907)474-5520				AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 10:46:13 -0800 (PST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Stephen A. Churchill" <schrchll@inetworld.net>
Subject: I'm Baaaack!

For all you SCPCRC guys (and any one else)out there that have noticed a
distinct abscence of my participation in this newsgroup, I have been offline
for a couple of weeks due to my intense frustration with my online service.
After not being able to connect to the American Online server for over a day
and a half and even then not being able to get online at all I called them
up (another wait!) and cancelled.  Unfortunately I did not consider the
problems of hooking up with another provider.  After calling about six of
them to get the best rates and waiting for the software to be sent to me and
waiting again for the second set of software to be sent because the disks
they first sent me were blank and then trying to install it on my new
computer with Win95 when I'm used to 3.1 on my old computer and reinstalling
all of the software under C: drive just to get the computer to recognize my
modem and then signing up for the pc800 newsgroup four or five times before
the Majordomo program and I get our signals straight and, and, and,... I'm
out of breath.  Anyway, I'm back. 
 
SCPCRC:  My schedule says I'm out of it for February-work every weekend.
When's the March ride?

For that person who asked about online services I will say just this.  AOL
has a good program but currently since they went to the new pricing
structure ($20 unlimited access) their marketing success has far outstripped
their hardware capacity.  They know this and are currently trying to add new
lines and computers as fast as possible.  However even they say this process
will take several months.  I may go back to them but not for a while.
Steve Churchill
Oceanside, California USA
schrchll@inetworld.net
1989 Pacific Coast 800
36,000 miles and counting!
Peace be with you


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From: PILEWIS1@CONCENTRIC.NET
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 11:13:38 -0800
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Removing scuff marks from your PC800

O.K. 

I just have to add my detailing methods! :)

I use KIT Scratch Out to get rid of the scratches.  Depending on how
hard and long you work on the problem area, it is very effective.  Then
for the finishing touch, I found a product called SLICK STUFF, made by
The Wax Shop.  I found it to be much better than Meguiar's Mirror Glaze
products (the specific one I tried is called Final Inspection).  Slick
Stuff goes on like water, but after you wipe it dry and buff just a
little, it leaves a very deep shine.

For the windshield, Pledge was recommended and works very well (although
I could really use a new windshield for my Birthday, April 20th if
anybody's interested! ;)).  My only complaint with Pledge is that it
seems to take forever to wipe completely clear of the wax.  But it does
help fill in those scratches.  BTW, the coating that the factory puts on
those Honda factory windshield is coming off in various areas.  Any
suggestions for fixing or maybe just removing??   (Don't forget April
20th) :(

Phil
So. Cal.

P.S.-Welcome back Steve Chambers!


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From: PILEWIS1@CONCENTRIC.NET
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 11:27:32 -0800
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Oops!!

That was welcome back Steve Churchill!!  :0    

DUH!!  

Sorry 'bout that!

Phil

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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 14:41:38 -0500
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: harness@vt.edu (Mike Harness)
Subject: Too Much Victim Stuff

Could you two guys please settle this between the two of you in private and
stop gobbing up the net and our disks with this junk?  Thanks.


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From: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: Re: Too Much Victim Stuff
To: harness@vt.edu (Mike Harness)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 97 3:59:34 WST
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

Mike,
 
> Could you two guys please settle this between the two of you in private and
> stop gobbing up the net and our disks with this junk?  Thanks.

See my post with title "my apology" and delete the others.  It's over already.
May I apologize again for my inappropiate, over-reacted and inconsiderate 
postings?
 
-- 
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Philips Wong,                    '84 HONDA GL1200A     <-- Classic!     *
  *      VR2XVI <-- HAM                    Gold Wing Aspencade               *
  *      PCA420 <-- Royal Hong Kong   '90 HONDA PC800  red  <-- Little Wing  *
  *                  Aux. Police           Yeh, Wing front look and spoiler  *
  *      101177 <-- the only GWRRA    '95 HONDA GL1500SE    <-- Chrome!      *
  *                  member in HK          The flooded bike                  *
  *                                                                          *
  *  Police Training School taught :   HONDA   CBX750       <-- Police       *
  *  " I have the honour to be, Sir,   YAMAHA  Diversion 600<--    work      *
  *       your obedient servant!"      HONDA   CBX250       <--       bike   *
  *                                                                          *
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Will work for gas & chrome.  I have two Wings, and a baby Wing at home. *
  ****************************************************************************


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From: ChrisTUBA@aol.com
	  by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id PAA07623 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Tue, 4 Feb 1997 15:11:04 -0500 (EST)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 15:11:04 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Another angle of business deals...

i All!

I've been sitting back here again, watching the e-mails fly by.  I agree with
the idea that we should share places where we have had both GOOD and BAD
experiences with dealers, etc., purely for information's sake.

I myself recommend Gohr Power in Waukesha, WI.  Not that fast, or big, but
they seem to fix problems right, and my PC always comes back cleaned and
waxed.  (My biggest problem was when I was hit in a parking lot in August of
96)

As for warnings, I personally recommend staying away from Don and Roy's in
Brookfield, WI, and also from SportLand2 in Oak Creek, WI.  The reasons are
available privately, but have no place on a public forum.

As for a personal business deal, I am going to be buying both a Corbin seat
and a Givi top box in the next months, so that they'll be waiting for me when
I arrive home to WI.  Meanwhile, at that time, I will have a Hondaline
Backrest for sale.  My PC is a 96, so all of my dashwork and seat are jet
black, but the backrest which was put on is the grey color (which those of
you who own earlier bikes have).  I'd be open to know if there is anyone
interested in buying that backrest when I get back in WI in June.

Which dealer are you guys getting the GIVIs through these days?  GIVI is no
longer selling direct.

L8r,

Chris Russell

96 PC800, Suffering in the Dominican Republic teaching music--but missing the
winter a lot.  


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From: rahardy@juno.com
To: Timmacy@aol.com
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Warranty Extension...
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 15:27:03 EST

Tim, I bought a 3-year extended warranty from the Honda dealer when I
bought my '90  PC new in 1992.  I haven't had to use the warranty, but I
would not buy one again.  This warranty is not a Honda warranty.  It is a
third party warranty sold by anyone.  I know nothing about the company. 
In fact, it is not a warranty, it is a service contract which is
administered by Western Service Contract Corp. of Menlo Park, CA. 
Neither HONDA, nor the dealer will honor this contract.  You must pay and
then recover your money from this contract administrator.  I don't have a
very warm feeling of success in such an endeavor, but I could be wrong.  

I' taking advantage of your post, Tim, to ask if anyone has had
experience with this company.  If your extexdend warranty is actually
sold by HONDA, that's a different story, but I would be surprised that
HONDA will do this at the point when the original warranty is ready to
expire.  My personal view regarding insurance in general, is that it
should only be purchased  when a worst case loss would definitely be more
than you could absorb.  After all, the odds are against you coming out
ahead - that's how insurance companies make their profits.  I don't know
why I bought this service contract.  A moment of weakness, I guess.  This
is the one and only service contract that I've ever had.  "Consumer
Reports" has verified that extended service contracts are bad buys.

Richard

On Tue, 4 Feb 1997 05:02:52 -0500 (EST) Timmacy@aol.com writes:
>Hey, Everybody!  I'm within sight of the end of my 3-year warranty 
>(March
>17th) and so far the only thing that I've had to do under warranty was 
>the
>speedo cable replacement.  I've got 37,800 on the '94 StealthMobile 
>and it's
>running like a top (round and round and...!).  
>
>I can extend the warranty for another three years for $625.  I know 
>it's good
>insurance, but has anyone else out there extended their warranty?  Was 
>it
>worth your $$$?  I look forward to any and all feedback.  And...if all 
>else
>fails...I will bow to the North and ask Juan the King!  :-}}
>
>Tim
>
>--
>Visit the PC800 web page at <URL:http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800/>
>To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of 
>a
>message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu.
>To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu.
>


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From: Rusty Jackson <rjackson@wrightstrat.com>
To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: Re: Victim
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 12:28:53 -0800

Please don't start this war here.  Most of us are not interested or 
will ever know which of you is right or wrong.  We want to discuss 
PC's, not personal vendettas.   This "let the list decide" stuff is 
like two kids trying to get Mom or Dad to say who is right.

I just got off of another mailing list because all they were doing is 
arguing.  No one was talking about motorcycling.

======================================
Russell C. Jackson - Software Engineer
rjackson@wrightstrat.com
--------------------------------------
Wright Strategies
2223 Avenida de la Playa
La Jolla, CA 92037
619-551-6808
======================================


-----Original Message-----

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From:	pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk [SMTP:pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk]
Sent:	Tuesday, February 04, 1997 6:10 AM
To:	pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject:	Re: Victim

>
> You play the victim role so well.......you deserve an oscar.

Don't worry Jeff, I'll post your email together with my words and let 
the
listers to judge who deserve an oscar more.  Don't overlook, 
everything I
mention will include SOLID evidence.

(Sorry there still none a word from you about how you interpret about 
"good
 conditions"...bla bla bla)  Now do you really want me to have 
everything
 exposed?  Ask Johan Lai, I mentioned to him about the case months 
ago,
 if I want to attack anybody, I should have posted the story long 
time
 ago.  But I only mentioned to Johan (also another lister, can't 
recall
 the name) about a "nasty experience with another lister" and didn't
 even mention your name.  Maybe I really deserve an oscar, and an 
award
 of the best planner.  Ask Johan, then you all will see the truth, the 
 same old words "I DIDN'T LIE", do you?

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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@MICROSOFT.com>
To: "'pc800'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: FW: The Essence Of It All...
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 13:18:31 -0800


Ed Youngblood wrote a column in American Motorcyclist about 2 years ago 
called "My Sermon" which try to answer this question.  (Sorry I can't 
recall the specific issue.) He discusses the "spirituality of motorcycling" 
and puts it in terms cagers can understand.   I have it posted on my door 
here at work.

If anyone out there would like a faxed copy, send me your info and I'll do 
my best to get a copy to you.

-bryceu

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Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558
Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA
'89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T"
AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140
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Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 16:14:59 +0000
From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS)
Subject: Great Dealer
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

Anyone in the NYC or NJ area, Motorcycle Mall in Bellvile is EXCELLENT!  I 
stripped a spark plug on a Friday night last summer.  MAN was I mad!  I 
thought for sure I was looking at replacing the head on my brand new PC.  I 
called them at about 8pm.  They were closed but still answered the phone (a 
custom of theirs).  They fit me in the next day and got me out in 2 hours! 
They put in one of those ferus (?) coils.  $70 bucks, and I was on my way!.  

They also carry Honda, Kawa, Suz. Yama.

Chris Klass


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Date: 04 Feb 97 17:23:26 EST
From: Bernard Kohler <72254.3512@CompuServe.COM>
To: <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: scuff marks etc..

I have bought a number of new motorcycle products over the winter, 
possibly to escape PMS, parked motorcycle syndrome.

A GIVI Topcase.
The Givi Topcase really adds to the PC's appearance, and does not seem to 
effect the bike's handling.  The additional carrying capacity, 
particularly when traveling with my wife, is a God send.  I have the 
inserts for the PC's boot, but the Givi has the added advantage of being 
able to lay things down flat.  The quality of the case is superb.  If I 
had to do it over again I would get the Givi with the built in tail 
lights.  The Give Topcase is something anyone doing long distance running 
should consider.

MUSTANG SIDEWINDERS
I have a Startan cold weather riding jacket.  It does an excellent job of 
keeping my upper half warm, but I have hesitated in buying the Startan 
pants.  The  Spartan Pants were too bulky.  I felt as if I was moon 
walking when wearing the pants.  The Mustang pants look like a normal 
pair of demin jeans, but they are lined with a special material.  The 
Mustangs, combined with the Startan Jacket makes riding at anything above 
40 degrees comforable, without the space suit feeling.   There was a 
column on the Mustangs in the latest issue of Motorcycle Consumer News.

SHOEI X9 HELMET
For a quiet ride is Shoei is the best I have had.  Behind a Rifle 
Windscreen there is no need for ear plugs, even at the highest cruising 
speeds.  Expensive and oddly shaped, you will need a size larger than 
your present helmet, but a well invested dollar.
  
  


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Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 20:40:23 -0500
From: Doug Powell <dpowell@surfsouth.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Windshields

I have two shields for my PC, they are both Honda shields, but the one I 
use most is the tall-line. I'm considering the Rifle replacement system 
because of the scratches and even stress cracks beginning to form on the 
bottom of the shield. At night there is no way to clearly see through 
the sheild with an oncoming car's headlights...I can't stand not being 
able to see right in front of the bike! I can however look over the top 
of the shield if I sit straight up. 

I know Rifle offers tinted shields, any suggestions for or against?

89 PC
17,000 and counting....


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From: PILEWIS1@CONCENTRIC.NET
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 21:51:23 -0800
To: Doug Powell <dpowell@surfsouth.com>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Windshields

Doug Powell wrote:
> 
> I'm considering the Rifle replacement system
> because of the scratches and even stress cracks beginning to form on the
> bottom of the shield.

I'm having the same problem with my tall Honda shield, and I have less
than 8,000 miles.  Maybe if enough of us order some "Rifles" at the same
time, we might get some kind of discount.  I'm not in a big hurry, but
the view is annoying.

Phil 
So. Cal.


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From: Timmacy@aol.com
	  by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id CAA14344 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Wed, 5 Feb 1997 02:33:21 -0500 (EST)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 02:33:21 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: '95 PC For Sale...

There's a '95 PC for sale at Beaverton Honda in Beaverton, OR...which is a
suburban city just west of Portland.  It's got 4200 miles on it and it listed
for $6199.  Looks pristine as far as I can see.  They've also got a $195
"setup and handling" fee that they'll try to add to the price, which I think
is BS 'cause it's a used bike!  I'm sure they'll work with either dropping
that or tinkering with the price, though.

If you want further info, please e-mail me privately and I'll give you phone
#, etc.

Tim
Portland, OR
'94 PC800 - 37,800 and riding...


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From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com
	  by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id HAA09542 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Wed, 5 Feb 1997 07:41:40 -0500 (EST)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 07:41:40 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: The Essence Of It All...

Amen, Tim!  We all do know why.  And I think that is something about which we
can all rejoice.  I remember Ed Youngblood's piece that Bryce mentions.  It
was a pretty good effort at putting at least part of it all into words.  If
you haven't read it, I commend Bryce's offer to you.

JT


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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 07:33:58 -0600 (CST)
          Wed, 5 Feb 1997 8:32:49 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: L W Fine <lwfine@GSVMS2.CC.GASOU.EDU>
Subject: Re: '95 PC For Sale...

Don't forget to add sales tax to that price......


At 02:33 AM 2/5/97 -0500, you wrote:
>There's a '95 PC for sale at Beaverton Honda in Beaverton, OR...which is a
>suburban city just west of Portland.  It's got 4200 miles on it and it listed
>for $6199.  Looks pristine as far as I can see.  They've also got a $195
>"setup and handling" fee that they'll try to add to the price, which I think
>is BS 'cause it's a used bike!  I'm sure they'll work with either dropping
>that or tinkering with the price, though.
>
>If you want further info, please e-mail me privately and I'll give you phone
>#, etc.
>
>Tim
>Portland, OR
>'94 PC800 - 37,800 and riding...
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Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 09:39:53 +0000
From: Gary Wilson <gcw0766@88net.net>
To: PILEWIS1@CONCENTRIC.NET, pacific coast list <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Windshields

PILEWIS1@CONCENTRIC.NET wrote:

> 
> I'm having the same problem with my tall Honda shield, and I have less
> than 8,000 miles.  Maybe if enough of us order some "Rifles" at the same
> time, we might get some kind of discount. 

count me in on this deal.  gary.


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From: NVXL62A@prodigy.com ( GORDON   FRANK HSTA7186RG)
Date: Wed,  5 Feb 1997 09:41:28, -0500
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: WINDSHIELDS

Doug Wrote:
>I have two shields for my PC, they are both Honda shields, but the 
one I 
>use most is the tall-line. I'm considering the Rifle replacement 
system 
>because of the scratches and even stress cracks beginning to form on 
the 
>bottom of the shield. At night there is no way to clearly see 
through 
>the shield with an oncoming car's headlights...I can't stand not 
being 
>able to see right in front of the bike! I can however look over the 
top 
>I know Rifle offers tinted shields, any suggestions for or against?

The tall Rifle tinted (smoke) is great.  No problem so far, follow 
install instructions very carefully.  Cleaned the shield with a 
sample from the Atlanta m/c Show and suffered through a glaring 
sunset the next night.  Not sure if it was the combination of the 
sample with the sun or what ?

____
Gordon Frank  NVXL62A@Prodigy.Com 
 '96 PC800 Atlanta, Georgia


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Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 10:52:40 +0000
From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS)
Subject: NYC MC Show!!!!
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

Anyone Going?


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Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 15:55:54 -0500
From: Doug Powell <dpowell@surfsouth.com>
To: PILEWIS1@CONCENTRIC.NET
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Windshields

Maybe if enough of us order some "Rifles" at the same
> time, we might get some kind of discount.  I'm not in a big hurry, but
> the view is annoying.
> 
> Phil
> So. Cal.
> --

Sounds like a plan to me...It's worth a shot anyway. We'll see how many 
interested folks we can round up. I'm not in a hurry either but it 
really would'nt hurt my feelings if it was sooner rather than later.

Doug
> Visit the PC800 web page at <URL:http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800/>
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From: bsltwr@xs4all.nl
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 97 13:15:51
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Re: Wearing down the pegs

In <ufapvynsmlo.fsf@sina.hpc.uh.edu>, on 01/30/97 
   at 12:28 AM, Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu> said:

>>>>>> "GC" == Greg Chambers <greg501@ix.netcom.com> writes:

>GC> I have now put on 500 miles on my 96 PC800 and have not yet scraped
>the GC> pegs.  On the other hand, I've come way too close to going off
>the road GC> on the outside of a curve because I'm afraid to lean any
>further.

>Kent (a past list member) was known for being able to scrape the crash
>protectors.  Yes, he actually ground down the bumpers to the point where
>leaning any further meant that the frame hit the asphalt.

scraped the pegs a few times in the year and a half I have the bike, but
I'm going to an advanced riders course in may and it'll be the other way
around ;) My instructor has been to this course too and told me I'll need
a new set of tires before and after this course. (It's just one day!)

They are going to try and learn me how to drive through deep and loose
gravel, crossing narrow beems, hitting patches of deep water, going REAL
fast through twisties (ie up to 100 mph) and the best part, driving on
slopes. I'll have to descend a slope of 60 degrees!

The part I don't like, but a very good thing to learn, is an emergency
stop at very high speed.

All of this is given on a track of the police, with one of their
instructors. Should be a real nice experience.

Bas
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From: bsltwr@xs4all.nl
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 97 13:33:34
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: RE: Strong Wind Gusts

On 01/28/97 at 02:41 PM, Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@MICROSOFT.com> said:

>Oh yea, I almost forgot.  Watch your surroundings for indications that a 
>bug gust is coming.  Sudden tree movements, water/wave ripples, the car
>in  front of you suddenly moving, etc all give an indication something's
>about  to hit you.  Duck your head, hold on, and ride it out.  But you
>know, if  everyone is pulling off the road, maybe you should too.  Good
>luck!

Hmm, when the road is empty, you can turn your throttle and speed along,
best way to avoid a lot of the pulling/pushing the gusts give you. I live
on an isle in the southern part of the Netherlands (Europe ;) and there is
almost no cover to lessen the gusts. In the last few months of the year we
have loads of storms, gusts up to 70 or 80 mph are fairly normal then, and
I tend to open the trottle when a gust hits. Works most of the time, even
on the longer bridges (4 miles and one of 8)

I learned this from my instructor, who rides a PC and sometimes a Yamaha
TDM 850. It is something that works great with passing big trucks and
other big vehicles too.

Bas
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From: Rusty Jackson <rjackson@wrightstrat.com>
To: "'L W Fine'" <lwfine@GSVMS2.CC.GASOU.EDU>,
        "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'"
	 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: '95 PC For Sale...
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:35:03 -0800

Oregon doesn't have sales tax.

Rusty

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2223 Avenida de la Playa
La Jolla, CA 92037
619-551-6808
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-----Original Message-----

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From:	L W Fine [SMTP:lwfine@GSVMS2.CC.GASOU.EDU]
Sent:	Wednesday, February 05, 1997 5:34 AM
To:	pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject:	Re: '95 PC For Sale...

Don't forget to add sales tax to that price......


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Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 18:05:31 -0500
From: "Gary E. Klim" <garyklim@snet.net>
To: Timmacy@aol.com
CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: The Essence Of It All...

Timmacy@aol.com wrote:
> Why, indeed, do we do this to ourselves?

Riding let's us remember the good, forget the bad, and to just simply
feel alive.

gk 
________________________________________________________________________
Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut    garyklim@snet.net
________________________________________________________________________


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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 14:19:51 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: The Essence Of It All...

At 18:05 2/5/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Timmacy@aol.com wrote:
>> Why, indeed, do we do this to ourselves?
>
>Riding let's us remember the good, forget the bad, and to just simply
>feel alive.

I don't think we ever forget the bad, we just edit it and embellish it
to recount it later as tire-kicking "war" stories :-)

Juan
"The best long distance runners eat raw meat, run naked and sleep in the snow"
						  -- from an Alaska Airlines ad
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Juan A. Goula				'90 Honda PC800
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences	'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX
University of Alaska Fairbanks		'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat
(907)474-5520				AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 18:23:23 -0500
From: "Gary E. Klim" <garyklim@snet.net>
To: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Warranty Extension...

Juan A. Goula wrote:
> He said that I would have
> to bring the whole bike. No, he couldn't just exchange the fuel pump,...

I had a 94 CB-1000 that developed a leaky clutch slave cylinder while
under warranty. My dealer was more than happy to exchange the parts and
allow me to do the repair myself. My dealer is aware that I'm
mechanically competent and perhaps his decision was partly based on
this. Or perhaps he thought his mechanic's time was better spent on
non-warranty work. Either way, it saved us both time and expense.

gk
________________________________________________________________________
Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut    garyklim@snet.net
________________________________________________________________________

          for <pc800@tcamc.uh.edu>; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 19:12:51 -0700

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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 21:16:38 -0500
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Harry Kellam <hmkvbw@rica.net>

Help.

I need help in getting the archieves or other files which may be made
available.

I tried sending to majordomo@tcamc.uh.edu.

I am a new PC 800 owner given to me by my wife at Christmas.

Harry Kellam - Har
Barbara Kellam - Bar
hmkvbw@rica.net
PC 800 red 90 model
Bought used 9200 miles
Just put on Corbin seat, larger wind screen, and have a Chase Harper tank
to put on when traveling times are soon to be here.

I sent a message to the above Email addresses but they were returned as
being undelivered however I have been getting some of the most encouraging
Email "welcomes" and we really appreciate. Thanks.

I am wanting to know the things I need to do to my bike to keep it running
good and safe and fun and where to go when I get it ready. I f4eel I could
ride it to the westcoast if the weature were OK and I had time off to go.
We HAR & BAR live in Virginia in the Shenandoah Valley.

Thanks for your help. Bye HK

Harry Kellam
hmkvbw@rica.net


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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 17:37:19 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>

At 21:16 2/5/97 -0500, Harry Kellam wrote:
>Help.
>
>I need help in getting the archieves or other files which may be made
>available.

Welcome Har & Bar.  Accessing the archives is as easy as using your web browser.
Visit the PC800 Homepage at: http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800/ (generously
maintained by Neill Thompson, of Phoenix, AZ)

Not only are the archives available through there (if you want to catch up
an a couple of years of correspondence) but it has a wonderful search engine
which will allow you to look things up by subject matter (eg. seat,
windshield, tires, etc).

>I am a new PC 800 owner given to me by my wife at Christmas.

Congratulations!  It shows your wife has excellent taste :-)

>I am wanting to know the things I need to do to my bike to keep it running
>good and safe and fun and where to go when I get it ready.

Just keep in touch with this list and we won't steer you wrong.

> I feel I could ride it to the westcoast if the weature were OK and I had
time >off to go. We HAR & BAR live in Virginia in the Shenandoah Valley.

You could, most definitely.  A friend and I went from Fairbanks, AK to
Davis, WV last summer (3 weeks, 10,000 miles).  The PC is an excellent
touring bike, especially after the modifications you've already made.  I
hope you enjoy your PC!

Juan
"The best long distance runners eat raw meat, run naked and sleep in the snow"
						  -- from an Alaska Airlines ad
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Juan A. Goula				'90 Honda PC800
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences	'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX
University of Alaska Fairbanks		'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat
(907)474-5520				AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

   Thu, 06 Feb 97 02:43:19 EST

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Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 02:42:22 EST
From: andre_molenaar@nl.ibm.com
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
               Professional Services
Subject: PC800 in Holland for sale

With some tears in my eyes.......

I have a white PC800 '92, for sale.
The bike has run 30.000 Miles.
The price for this wonderfull machine is NLG 11.500

The motor is in good condition. I know that this can be discussed,
but Holland is small, so you better come look yourself.

Andre Molenaar
email andre_molenaar@nl.ibm.com
phone 020 - 6449919 (after 18:00 hours)


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Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 10:56:57 +0000
From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS)
Subject: NYC MC Show
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

OK.

It looks as though Saturday is the most desired day to go.  About 8-10 from 
Rutgers, Steve from NJ, and me.  

The concensus seems to be that everyone wants to get there when it opens, 
10am.  

Where would everyone like to meet?  If we are driving in then how about the 
main entrance?  I could hold up a PC 800 sign.  Or, if people prefer to take 
the Path Train there is easy street parking at my building, or you can park 
inside my building for $5 and we can walk to the Exchange Place Path 
Station three blocks away.  I live in a nice, very safe area.  Not Hoboken, or 
Newport.

So please let me know how you all plan to get in.

Thanks,

Chris


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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 22:23:33 +0100 (MET)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Gerard Diepeveen <pcn@dsv.nl>
Subject: New email address

I have a new E-Mail address: pcn@dsv.nl

Gerard Diepeveen, PCN
--------------------------------00---------------------
Gerard Diepeveen		'89 White
Pacific Coast Netherlands
E-Mail: G.Diepeveen@inter.NL.net or gerard@dsv.nl
O-PC-O:-) "May the Pacific Coast be with you"
Visit the Honda Pacific Coast Netherlands:
http://www.inter.nl.net/users/G.Diepeveen/pc800.htm
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 06 Feb 1997 20:30:59 -0800

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Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 20:30:59 -0800
From: greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers )
Subject: Re: Windshields
To: pilewis1@concentric.net
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

Phil - Count me in also.  I need another 4" at least, since the wind is 
hitting me in the chin.  - Greg Chambers


>PILEWIS1@CONCENTRIC.NET wrote:
>
>> 
>> I'm having the same problem with my tall Honda shield, and I have 
less
>> than 8,000 miles.  Maybe if enough of us order some "Rifles" at the 
same
>> time, we might get some kind of discount. 


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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 21:01:34 -0800
From: greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers )
Subject: Re: 
To: Harry Kellam <hmkvbw@rica.net>
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

You wrote: 
>
>I am a new PC 800 owner given to me by my wife at Christmas.
>
>Harry Kellam - Har
>Barbara Kellam - Bar

Harry - How did you work that deal?  My wife wanted to know how much I 
spent on my PC, INCLUDING sales tax, so she'd know how much "mad money" 
she had authority to spend.  My PC is costing me $13,000!!!

Congrats and welcome!

Greg Chambers


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From: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: Re: Re:
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 97 19:43:02 WST


Creg,
 
> Harry - How did you work that deal?  My wife wanted to know how much I 
> spent on my PC, INCLUDING sales tax, so she'd know how much "mad money" 
> she had authority to spend.  My PC is costing me $13,000!!!

Hehe, I am a happy single man, fortunately.  2 Gold Wings, a PC800 and an
all terrain 4WD van, no wife will let this happened.
 
-- 
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Philips Wong,                    '84 HONDA GL1200A     <-- Classic!     *
  *      VR2XVI <-- HAM                    Gold Wing Aspencade               *
  *      PCA420 <-- Royal Hong Kong   '90 HONDA PC800  red  <-- Little Wing  *
  *                  Aux. Police           Yeh, Wing front look and spoiler  *
  *      101177 <-- the only GWRRA    '95 HONDA GL1500SE    <-- Chrome!      *
  *                  member in HK          The flooded bike                  *
  *                                                                          *
  *  Police Training School taught :   HONDA   CBX750       <-- Police       *
  *  " I have the honour to be, Sir,   YAMAHA  Diversion 600<--    work      *
  *       your obedient servant!"      HONDA   CBX250       <--       bike   *
  *                                                                          *
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Will work for gas & chrome.  I have two Wings, and a baby Wing at home. *
  ****************************************************************************


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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 09:07:57 -0500
To: pilewis1@concentric.net
From: Keith Sproul <ksproul@rci.rutgers.edu>
Subject: Re: Windshields
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

Phill...


>>>  Maybe if enough of us order some "Rifles" at the same
>>> time, we might get some kind of discount.


I am interested in a RIFLE too..

Keith Sproul

Keith Sproul	ksproul@noc.rutgers.edu		WU2Z
Student Housing Network Coordinator		908 445-3695 W
Rutgers University Computing Services		909 821-4828 H


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Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 10:15:11 +0000
From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS)
Subject: The NYC MC SHOW!!
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

OK.

Here is the deal.  Everyone seems to want to go early on Saturday.  I will get there at 10am 
and hold up a sign.  I will be right inside the main entrance.  If anyone who hasn't sent me 
a message but wants to go just show up then.  If you have any questions please call me @ 
908-204-2691 during the day.  Or 201-432-4577 this evening.  

If you want to car pool, or take the Path from NJ let me know.  As I said, there is parking 
in and around my building. Steve, give me a call today and we will make arrangements.

The schedule for the show is

Friday:  12 pm - 10 pm
Saturday:  10 am - 10 pm
Sunday:  10 am - 7 pm

Cost is $11.00 per adult.

Bring your checkbook!

Chris Klass


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From: PILEWIS1@CONCENTRIC.NET
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 08:30:21 -0800
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Windshields

To those of you interested in Rifle Windshields, I e-mailed Rifle and no
response yet, but I'll keep you informed.

Phil
So. Cal.


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Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 09:30:54 -0800
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: John LaFreniere <johnl@general.net>
Subject: ST1100

I really, really, really like my PC, but every time I go into the Honda
dealer that ST1100 just calls out to me.

Does anyone here also belong to the ST1100 mail list-serve?  I tried to join
but kept getting errors returned to me.  I tried emailing the webmaster of
their web page ( http://percival.xyz.com/st1100 ), but no response.  Do you
think they are all out riding?  :<

Also does anyone know someplace in the southwestern US that I can rent,
borrow, test-ride or otherwise finagle my butt onto an ST1100 for 4-5 hours?

Does anyone here also own an ST1100 that they can compare the PC800 to in
terms of comfort and maintanence cost?  

Thanks


John

John LaFreniere
http://john.csun.edu


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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 19:13:20 +0100 (MET)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Gerard Diepeveen <pcn@dsv.nl>
Subject: New url for PCN

Dear listers, as of today the URL of Pacific Coast Netherlands homepage has
changed to: http://www.dsv.nl/~pcn/
This change of provider gives me more server space and it's cheaper, pages
may take a littlebit longer to appear on your screens I'am talking ms
(miliseconds)

The new name is a lot shorter and easier to remember.
There are a few listmembers that have a link to our old page, they will
recieve a e-mail from me as a reminder, I hope you will change it to our new
URL.

I hope you will still pay a visit to the new URL, for now there are no big
changes in the pages.

The old provider will still be at hand for about 1 or 2 months to take
people automaticly to the new URL.

Best regards,
Gerard Diepeveen, Pacific Coast Netherlands
--------------------------------00---------------------
Gerard Diepeveen		'89 White
Pacific Coast Netherlands
E-Mail: pcn@dsv.nl or gerard@dsv.nl
O-PC-O:-) "May the Pacific Coast be with you"
Visit the Honda Pacific Coast Netherlands:
http://www.inter.nl.net/users/G.Diepeveen/pc800.htm
------------------------------------------------------


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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: ST1100
From: Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: 07 Feb 1997 13:59:13 -0600
Lines: 27

>>>>> "JL" == John LaFreniere <johnl@general.net> writes:

JL> I really, really, really like my PC, but every time I go into the Honda
JL> dealer that ST1100 just calls out to me.

I have the same problem.  But then my wallet yells back, and it's much
louder.  Then I put a whole bunch of stuff in the trunk and I feel much
better.

JL> Does anyone here also belong to the ST1100 mail list-serve?

I did.  Actually, I still do, but I can't get the thing to stop sending me
messages so just file them into nowhere.  I'm a list owner myself and one
of the authors of the list software which the PC800 list uses and still I
can't get the thing to let me off.  Oh, well.

JL> Does anyone here also own an ST1100 that they can compare the PC800 to
JL> in terms of comfort and maintanence cost?

We have had several "graduates" who moved up to the ST.  You really just
have to ride each one and see which fits into your lifestyle.  I commute to
work on mine, so an ST would be wasted (sitting in traffic), pretty much a
pain to ride (heavier, less low speed stability), less comfortable
(sportier riding position) and less accommodating (not as much cargo
space).  People with other needs will have other views.

 - J<


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From: PILEWIS1@CONCENTRIC.NET
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 16:12:58 -0800
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Rifle Windshields

To everyone interested in Rifle windshields, below is the response I
received from Gary Gatel at Rifle.  I haven't called to work out the
details of ordering, shipping, and paying (such as one check, or we each
send our own).  

You can check out their prices at http://www.rifle.com/pc800.htm, and it
looks like we can take 20% off of that price.  Let me know how many of
you are interested in getting one immediately, and I will call Rifle on
Monday and get more details.

Phil

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



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Subject: 
        Re: Rifle replacement windshields for the PC800
  Date: 
        Fri, 07 Feb 1997 09:30:55 -0800
  From: 
        Gary Gatel <riflef@spork.callamer.com>
    To: 
        PILEWIS1@CONCENTRIC.NET


Sure,

10% for 2 or more
20% for 5 or more

Gary



At 11:05 PM 2/6/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Dear Sirs:
>
>There are several Pacific Coast owners interested in purchasing a
>replacement rifle windshield.  Many of us live here in Southern
>California.
>
>Is it possible to get a quantity discount if we purchase a number of
>windshields at one time.


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Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 20:07:18 -0500
From: Doug Powell <dpowell@surfsouth.com>
To: PILEWIS1@CONCENTRIC.NET
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Rifle Windshields

I'm in! Just let me know when and payment method(credit card or check). 
It would be nice if we could make the 20% deal...But I'll take 10%. I 
have'nt been keeping track but it looks like several members are 
interested...I'll check back with you next week.

Doug


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Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 20:13:29 -0500
From: Doug Powell <dpowell@surfsouth.com>
To: GORDON FRANK HSTA7186RG <NVXL62A@prodigy.com>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: WINDSHIELDS

> The tall Rifle tinted (smoke) is great.  

How about at night? Have you had any problems seeing with the tinted 
shield with glare(not counting bad cleaners) or just not being able to 
see as well with just the bike headlights?

Doug


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Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 20:23:09 -0500
From: Doug Powell <dpowell@surfsouth.com>
To: pilewis1@concentric.net
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Windshields

Phil,

Just checking my e-mail for the past few days it looks like we already 
may have 5 interested in shields...both of us, Gary, Greg and Keith. May 
get more by the time details are worked out.

Doug


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From: cscales@haywire.csuhayward.edu
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 16:24:19 -0800
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Windshields

Add me to the rifle list!!!
I'm interested!!


chris scales


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Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 22:29:51 -0800
From: "Philip I. Lewis" <pilewis1@themall.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: WINDSHIELDS

Hi!

I'm keeping all of my old e-mail, but please send new e-mail to
pilewis1@themall.net.

Thanks,

Phil


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From: Timmacy@aol.com
	  by emout01.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id CAA22756 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Sat, 8 Feb 1997 02:44:00 -0500 (EST)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 02:44:00 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: '95 PC For Sale...

In a message dated 97-02-05 09:27:42 EST, L W Fine wrote:

<< Don't forget to add sales tax to that price......>>

Ah, one of the more subtle beauties about living in Orygun!  NO SALES TAX!

Tim
Portland, OR
'94 PC - 37,800 and riding

          for <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>; Sat, 8 Feb 1997 15:21:28 +0000

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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 09:14:12 -0600
From: Gerri Ewing <GEwing@worldnet.att.net>
To: Pacific Coast ListServ <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC 800 Driver Back Rest

bob peterson wrote:
> 
> Salutations PCers
> I am looking for information on adding a drivers backrest to an 89 PC800.

I have added both the Hondline passenger back rest for my bride, and a
aftermarket driver rest for self. I could not be any happier with both.
Initially my biggest concern was that my back rest would limit the
passenger's seat room. It doesn't cramp her space a bit. (Then again, my
wife weighs 110lbs, soaking wet) BUT, there is a scary side to this
story. (Other than a soaking wet wife) The instructions that came with
the back rest indicate, in a rather vague way, that you need to cut a
hole in the seat. I hovered over my seat for at least an hour with a
sweaty exacto knife in hand. After many measurements and several asprin
I made the incision. Either I was incredibly lucky or the installation
was more "Idiot Proof" than I thought, because it worked.

The color and stiching match the seat exactly. There is also a removable
weatherproof vinyl pouch attached to the backside.(Great for a CD Player
and/or maps)

The back rest was manufacured by Utopia. Unfortunatly I've managed to
lose their number and address. I originally located their ad in the back
of one of the popular M/C magazines. Maybe someone else has had the
foresite to save their number.

Some folks confuse just breathing, with living.
Gerri


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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 09:25:31 +0000
From: Gary Wilson <gcw0766@88net.net>
To: pacific coast list <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Rifle Windshields

i'm interested in the rifle windshield but i'd like to see a better deal.  why 
don't we try to get them through cycle design or milpas; i bet we can hit 
30% at least.  it appears that we have at least 6 people who are 
interested.  let's get 10 people who want them.
the list to date is:
keith sproul
greg chambers
phil lewis
chris scales
greg powell
gary wilson


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From: "Estes, Cory S" <EstesCS@88ABW.WPAFB.AF.MIL>
To: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: ST-1100 question.
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 14:40:55 -0500

Hey there PCers!

In sending out my HSTA e-mail address updates I had a guy come back to
me and ask about a maintenance problem he's having w/ his ST-1100.  I
thought I'd refer him to the STOC List, but don't have their address.
Do any of you have it handy?

Thanx,

Cory

From owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu  Sat Feb  8 14:08:29 1997

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From: "Estes, Cory S" <EstesCS@88ABW.WPAFB.AF.MIL>
To: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Never mind!
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 15:16:53 -0500

Disregard my last msg.

I forget the system I'm using now actually allows me to do my own web
searching.

Cory S. Estes*

'89 Honda Pacific Coast (Millennium Turtle) *Motorcycle Adventurist
'90 Honda GB-500                                     *Observer of
Humanity
'97 Chevy S-10 Pick Up                             *Lover of Life


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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 15:57:04 +0000
From: Gary Wilson <gcw0766@88net.net>
To: pacific coast list <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Rifle Windshields

the folks wanting 25" rifle windshield list to date is:
keith sproul
greg chambers
phil lewis
chris scales
greg powell
gary wilson
cory estes


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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 19:33:27 -0500
From: Doug Powell <dpowell@surfsouth.com>
To: gcw0766@88net.net
CC: pacific coast list <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Rifle Windshields

Gary Wilson wrote:
> 
> the folks wanting 25" rifle windshield list to date is:
> keith sproul
> greg chambers
> phil lewis
> chris scales
> greg powell
> gary wilson
> cory estes

Make that Doug Powell(close enough though).


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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 20:12:47 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <pilewis1@themall.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Rifle Windshields

How's the list for Rifles look, anybody left out so far??!!

> the folks wanting 25" rifle windshield list to date is:

> keith sproul
> greg chambers
> phil lewis
> chris scales
> doug powell
> gary wilson
> cory estes
> jeff leech
> philips wong
> cliff A. - Redlands
> mike harness-maybe
> julie pipkin-maybe

You can check out their prices at http://www.rifle.com/pc800.htm

They offered a 20% discount, but Gary Wilson is working on 30%.  More to
come!!! :)

Phil
So. Cal.


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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 23:41:44 -0500
From: Jeff Leech <jleech@erinet.com>
To: pilewis1@themall.net
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Rifle Windshields


------------29C3478BBEE0

Phil,
  I know your just compiling interested folks now, but make sure that
mine is a 29" shield.

Thanks,

        Jeff Leech
        Centerville, OH
        '94 PC-800

------------29C3478BBEE0

<HTML><BODY>

<DT>Phil,</DT>

<DT>&nbsp; I&nbsp;know your just compiling interested folks now, but make
sure that mine is a 29&quot; shield.</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>Thanks,</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Jeff Leech</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Centerville, OH</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; '94 PC-800&nbsp;</DT>

</BODY>
</HTML>
------------29C3478BBEE0--


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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 00:44:55 -0800
From: "Stephen A. Churchill" <schrchll@INETWORLD.NET>
To: John LaFreniere <johnl@general.net>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: ST1100

John LaFreniere wrote:
> 
> I really, really, really like my PC, but every time I go into the Honda
> dealer that ST1100 just calls out to me.
> Also does anyone know someplace in the southwestern US that I can rent,
> borrow, test-ride or otherwise finagle my butt onto an ST1100 for 4-5 hours?
I test rode an ST 1100 at a local dealer and was dissappointed. I found
that even though I like the idea of a 4 cylinder with lesser vibration I
actually was used to the feel of the PC's engine and the ST was somehow
strangely buzzy at rpms above 3k.  Also the handlebars are shorter and
more forward more like one of the crotchrockets though not quite as
extreme.  I was still leaning on my arms more than I like and much more
than I could tolerate for a long trip.  These things obviously are very
subjective and personal preference but for now the PC's my preference. 
Of course I still want to test ride a BMW RT 1100 and a Goldwing as a
possible step up. (BIG step in price!)
SAC '89PC 36k and counting


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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 10:55:59 -0500 (EST)
From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Would like to hear....

from anyone owning a Givi top box.  I am considering one for the
PC and would love to hear the thoughts and opinions of those 
owning one.

Thanks in advance,

Alan

'89 PC800
'94 XV535 (The Better Half's)


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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 09:31:20 -0700
From: "Alexander D. Gray" <agray@denver.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Member in New City

Hello Gang this is Alexander and I've moved from Flagstaff Arizona to
Denver Colorado. Is there any fellow PC'ers here?  Let me know.

Name:     Alexander D. Gray
Location:    Denver, Colorado	
Email:  agray@denver.net
PC Model year (if you have one):  1994 "Black Beauty"
Bought Used/New:  Demo with 1,500 miles  (New to me, especially for the
1k savings:)
Modifications made to bike: Corbin seat, Sony CD-Cassette Radio, 2
additional Driving lights under front fins.

See you in the Rockies.
-- 
Alexander D. Gray          in Denver, Colorado
Texas Tech University.......Southern Methodist University
Pictures of me and my 94 Honda Pacific Coast are at
http://www.dsv.nl/~pcn/pictures.htm


**********  MESSAGE SEPARATOR **********

From: slwcpa@ix.netcom.com
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 09:15:07 -0800
To: pilewis1@themall.net
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Rifle Windshields

I probably would be interested in a Rifle windshield.  I believe that the 25 inch model is the 
shortest size and approximates the stock shield.  Please include me on the list.
Thanks.

Steve Weinerman
PC800 1994

P.S. New York motorcycle show was great.. Good to see some familiar faces and meet some PC800 
people.


**********  MESSAGE SEPARATOR **********

From: BernieK469@aol.com
	  by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id MAA20629;
	  Sun, 9 Feb 1997 12:31:49 -0500 (EST)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 12:31:49 -0500 (EST)
To: schrchll@inetworld.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: I'm Baaaack!

Steve, I went over to AT&T.  I still use AOL for my mail, but my web 
provider is AT&T.   I can automatically download my e-mail at 4 AM, no 
busy signals at that hour. AOL, also has the best weather information and 
travel services.  


**********  MESSAGE SEPARATOR **********

Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 13:27:25 +0000
From: Gary Wilson <gcw0766@88net.net>
To: pacific coast list <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: rifle windshields

i talked to doug at cycle design in phillipston, MA and told him about what 
we were trying to do.  he said he'd check on prices and give us some 
choices from least expensive to other options.  the other options regard 
payment and shipping and other details of import.  i gave him a number of 
15 windshields and he said he'd get prices for 25 and 29 inch.  i'll have 
something for us to consider toward the middle of the week.  consider the 
fact that if this all comes about, we'll need to figure out how we are to 
pay, etc.  i suppose the best way would be for everyone to write a check 
to cycle design, then send it there and they'll collect them or something 
like that.  again, doug will be advising us.  he's a nice guy and will go out of 
his way to generate and maintain our business.  BTW, i like the idea of the 
collective purchase power.  we may consider forming a buyer's group to 
where our PC group automatically gets a special discount for individual 
purchases.   i know they offer this at milpas in CA but cycle design's prices 
were still lower and they sincerely want the business.  
anyway, lert's all think about that next step and get your rubles, dinares, 
pesos, marks, yen, bullion, etc ready.
gary.


**********  MESSAGE SEPARATOR **********

Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 13:24:49 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <pilewis1@themall.net>
To: gcw0766@88net.net
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: rifle windshields

Gary Wilson wrote:
> 
> i talked to doug at cycle design in phillipston, MA and told him about what
> we were trying to do.  he said he'd check on prices and give us some
> choices from least expensive to other options.

Gary, 

I thought I'd publish this latest list for everyone to see who we have
so far.

Phil
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> the folks wanting 25" rifle windshield list to date is:

> keith sproul
> greg chambers
> phil lewis
> chris scales
> doug powell
> gary wilson
> cory estes
> jeff leech
> philips wong
> cliff A. - Redlands
> mike harness-maybe
> julie pipkin-maybe
> steve weinerman

You can check out Rifle's prices at http://www.rifle.com/pc800.htm


**********  MESSAGE SEPARATOR **********

Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 16:26:01 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <pilewis1@themall.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: rifle windshields

> the folks wanting 25" rifle windshield list to date is: 02/09/07

> keith sproul
> greg chambers
> phil lewis
> chris scales
> doug powell
> gary wilson
> cory estes
> jeff leech
> philips wong
> cliff A. - Redlands
> mike harness-maybe
> julie pipkin-maybe
> steve weinerman
> alexander gray


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From: slwcpa@ix.netcom.com
          by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4)
	  id SAA00527; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 18:50:31 -0600 (CST)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 18:50:31 -0600 (CST)
To: gcw0766@88net.net
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: rifle windshields

On 02/09/97 13:27:25 you wrote:
>.  BTW, i like the idea of the 
>collective purchase power.  we may consider forming a buyer's group to 
>where our PC group automatically gets a special discount for individual 
>purchases.   

I like that idea.. after trying on helmets at the NYC show I'd love to get 
two Aria helmets.

Steve Weinerman


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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 17:31:27 -0800
From: PILEWIS1 <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: rifle windshields

> the folks wanting 25" rifle windshield list to date is: 02/09/07

> keith sproul
> greg chambers
> phil lewis
> chris scales
> doug powell
> gary wilson
> cory estes
> jeff leech
> philips wong
> cliff A. - Redlands
> mike harness-maybe
> julie pipkin-maybe
> steve weinerman
> alexander gray
> mike bavister

Phil

P.S.-I'm back at concentric.


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From: Indianridr@aol.com
	  by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id VAA10750 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Sun, 9 Feb 1997 21:34:01 -0500 (EST)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 21:34:01 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: New subscriber

Hello fellow pc enthusiasts!

Here's my abridged bio:

Name:       Eric Trow
Location:   Pittsburgh, PA
The Rider:  I have ridden since age of eight years and enjoy wide array of
bikes (currently have five bikes in garage -- mostly antiques).  I enjoy long
distance riding, but find that my schedule permits mostly weekend jonts of
150 - 350 miles.  I tend to be a backroad rider versus highway rider (I'll
take a twisty road over a straight stretch any day).
Bike:         I have an '89 PC800 that I purchased used at a dealership here
in Pgh      and have since ridden regularly as a sport tourer and 2-up
tourer.  
Equipment: My PC is pearl white (only color available in '89, right?) and
sports the Honda passenger backrest as well as the factory bag liners (er...
"trunk" liners).  I also have the tall touring shield for colder months in
addition to the standard windscreen.

Regretfully, I may need to sell the PC this Spring.  If I do, I sure would
love to see it go to someone who's into them.

Looking forward to enjoying my subscription to this list and the chance to
meet fellow enthusiasts on line.

Eric Trow
"Indianridr@aol.com"


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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 18:57:51 -0800
From: greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers )
Subject: Rife Sizing
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

I'm signed up for a Rifle windshield, but I'm not sure what size is 
right.  I'm 6'0", but only a 30" inseam.  My height is all in my torso. 
I'm looking over the stock windshield at the ground 20-30' out in 
front.  It seems like I would be better off with the 27" than the 25".  
I put a ruler on top of my stock windshield (sloping like the 
windshield) and if I add 4" to go from 23" stock Honda to 27" Rifle, I 
think I will still see over the top quite well.  With 6" added (Rifle 
29"), I'll be looking through it, which I don't think I really want to 
do.  

My other concern is heat.  When I crouch down, it gets VERY quiet, but 
it also gets VERY still, and I can see myself melting this summer if 
this wonderful tall windshield keeps any air from coming through my 
helmet vents.  That argument heads me back toward the 25" Rifle.  

What to do, what to do.  Do I have to choose between the heat and the 
wind noise?  Any thoughts?  

Greg


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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 97 03:02:18 UT
From: "Paul Hayes" <Pauly@msn.com>
To: pilewis1@themall.net, "Phil Lewis" <pilewis1@themall.net>,
        gcw0766@88net.n.et
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: RE: rifle windshields <add me to the list>

I want to be added to the list for purchasing the Rifle.   

Below I've extracted some essential information from the Rifle Website. Of 
course retail prices are shown. I thought it would be useful to see the 
available options.

FROM THE RIFLE WEBSITE: 
-------
Specs:
* Includes: Complete with base and standard 20" clear windshield. To obtain 
overall height of your system, add 5" for the base to the height of the 
windshield. (Example: with the std. 20" windshield, the total height would be 
25"). OEM heights are: 23" (1989, 1994-6) and 25" (1990). Hondaline taller 
version is 29". 
* Base: Black texture ABS base with molded-in Air Balance(tm) vent. 
* Windshield: Optional 22" or 24" windshield. Optional tinted windshield. 
* Colormatching: When ordering please provide year and color code.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
* Pricing: 
	- Pacific Coast'Windshield System (Complete with
	  black textured base and 20" clear windshield)
	  Height totals approx. 25" after installation...............$189
* OPTIONS:
	- 22" or 24" clear windshield - add............................NC
	- 20", 22" or 24" tint windshield - add........................10
	- Colormatch: Provide year and color code - add................40
	- Custom windshield height - add...............................15

* REPLACEMENT PARTS:
	20", 22" or 24" clear windshield and w/s screws................70
	20", 22" or 24" tint windshield and w/s screws.................80
	Air Balance(tm) Adapter Base..................................119


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From: ChrisTUBA@aol.com
	  by emout02.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id WAA20047 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Sun, 9 Feb 1997 22:06:11 -0500 (EST)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 22:06:11 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Fwd: ST1100?  How about the BMW Tourer?


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Forwarded message:
Subj:    ST1100?  How about the BMW Tourer?

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Date:    97-02-09 22:04:54 EST
From:    ChrisTUBA
To:      owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu

Hi All!

Personally, I want to see that new BMW 1200 Tourer which Cycle World had spy
photos of a few months ago.  That bike looked like a hybrid of the Kawasaki
Concours, Honda PC, and GoldWing.  It looked like a tough bike, but it won't
be out until at least 1999...that gives me time to make a few mods to the PC
and to still save money.  Not that I'm going to SELL the PC if I buy a BMW...

Did you all check out the description of the 1997 PC which was in
Motorcyclist magazine?  I'm not sure if I like the idea of the smaller
fender, but I'm undecided about the self-canceliing blinker.  I haven't
decided if that is a feature I like on my 1996 or not.  I'm going to go to
the dealer where I bought my 1996 PC, and see if he's got a 1997.  If not,
I'm going to get the brochures at any rate.

One other thing...the Kawasaki Concours is back.  That makes me happy.  With
all of the sport bikes this year, the sport touring industry has had NO
attention.  Honda should have done some kind of upgrade to the ST1100 this
year, especially since a few other bikes "upped" it last year.  Anyway, the
Concurs is a decent bike, and it's nice to see it back in the fold once
again.

By the way, I am in the US rather suddenly for a week as my grandfather
passed away.  Nice to be back from the Dominican Republic, but not a good
reason.

I just wanted to add a few comments regarding these "desires" for ST1100s.

L8r,

Chris Russell

1996 PC800.  Temporarily back from the Dominican Repbulic where I was
avoiding the winter by teaching music for a living.


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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 97 03:14:40 UT
From: "Paul Hayes" <Pauly@msn.com>
To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net, "PILEWIS1" <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>,
        pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: RE: rifle windshields

Phil, when I'm added to the list, please mark me as currently undecided on the 
height.  I currently have the HondaLine Tall shield and still think it's too 
noisy.  The noise comes mainly from my Shoei being in the wind stream over the 
top of the shield.  I find myself dipping down to get a break from the noise 
frequently.  I'm therefore leaning toward getting the taller Rifle (23+5). 

Would the standard Rifle (20+5) take care of this noise and still allow me to 
see over when I need to?

- pauly

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From:	owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu  On Behalf Of PILEWIS1
Sent:	Sunday, February 09, 1997 5:31 PM
To:	pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject:	rifle windshields

> the folks wanting 25" rifle windshield list to date is: 02/09/07

 <15 people> 

Phil


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From: ChrisTUBA@aol.com
	  by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id WAA15597 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Sun, 9 Feb 1997 22:18:40 -0500 (EST)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 22:18:40 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Rife Sizing

Hi once again.

I bought the 29" Rifle screen.  I'm 5' 10 1/2", and this lets me look THROUGH
the windscreen.  Some people like looking over their windscreens...I don't.
 There is less noise, and less direct wind, but it surely isn't still.

I also know about consideration about rain and what happens then.  Well, I
was reading all of the back entries and I found something that works great.
 Every time that I clean my windscreen...this is a necessity as the Rifle
seems to collect bugs...I put pledge on the windshield.  The rain beads up
and rolls off just fine.

The only other negative about the tall windscreen is that it adds back
pressure at higher speeds (70 and up) than the stock windshield did.  I won't
sell my stock shield, though, just in case the Rifle breaks and I need
something in the meantime.  By the way, the Rifle windshield box works
perfectly for storing your stock windshield in.

Anyway, that's my experience, and I have grown to love the looks of my bike
with the Rifle.  2 more mods to go--Givi (ordering this week) and a Corbin.

BTW, you can see the windshield on my bike on my webpage...
http://members.aol.com/christuba

That's my comments?  Anyone have contrary thoughts?


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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 19:38:01 -0800
From: PILEWIS1 <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: RE: rifle windshields

> the folks wanting 25" rifle windshield list to date is: 02/09/07

> keith sproul
> greg chambers
> phil lewis
> chris scales
> doug powell
> gary wilson
> cory estes
> jeff leech
> philips wong
> cliff A. - Redlands
> mike harness-maybe
> julie pipkin-maybe
> steve weinerman
> alexander gray
> mike bavister
> paul hayes-undecided on height

To all of us wanting "Rifles", Gary Wilson is investigating the best
deal, and then we can firm up sizes and prices.  (I hope!  Does that
sound right, Gary?)

Phil


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From: cscales@haywire.csuhayward.edu
Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 22:25:44 -0800
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: rifle windshields

hey Put me down as undecided about the height too!

I'm 6'2" is there anyone my height who has a rifle???

I usually ride with the stock windshield in the summer because I get
more 
air flow.   I use the hondaline tall windshield in the winter......

comments from anyone about the rifle in hot weather?

chris scales


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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 23:41:32 -0800
From: Dave Gross <dkgross@halcyon.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: RIFLE SIZES

hi..just my $.02....

for those of your under about 5'9", I'd suggest the 20" inch sheild. 
It's the smallest one that's meant as the replacement.  Overall, I
believe it adds about 5 inches over the Honda sheild.  I found that
looking throught the taller one (the 22") was very diffuclt in the
rain.  The 20" is just tall enough that I can crouch down behind it if I
need to, or just sit very straight and look over it...but..I love it
nonetheless...
-- 

Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, AKC
http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross

  (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>); Mon, 10 Feb 1997 21:29:26 +1000

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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 21:29:26 +1000
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: ultspnch@ecn.net.au (Ronald Grant)
Subject: Stereo in PC 800!

Gentlemen: I have finally booked my flight to USA, will arrive Mar. 24 for a 
2 month trip. One of my MAJOR projects for the trip will be to get the stuff 
I need for a KILLER stereo on the pc. Over the past months I have 
accumulated some info, but would LOVE to have the chance to see an 
installation that works well. I think, what I want is a system that will 
play tapes, ( but maybe CD?) from the trunck, where I have some control, I 
believe good remotes are available in USA, not here. Quality of speaker is 
important, I have some on my Helix that are just a bit too crappy for BIG 
volume, but dont want to pay too much, the last stereo shop showed me a $500 
pair of 4 inchers! Would MOST appreciate replies from anyone who has a 
system that I might learn from. Regards, Ron in Brisbane.

  (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>); Mon, 10 Feb 1997 21:29:26 +1000

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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 21:29:26 +1000
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: ultspnch@ecn.net.au (Ronald Grant)
Subject: Stereo in PC 800!

Gentlemen: I have finally booked my flight to USA, will arrive Mar. 24 for a 
2 month trip. One of my MAJOR projects for the trip will be to get the stuff 
I need for a KILLER stereo on the pc. Over the past months I have 
accumulated some info, but would LOVE to have the chance to see an 
installation that works well. I think, what I want is a system that will 
play tapes, ( but maybe CD?) from the trunck, where I have some control, I 
believe good remotes are available in USA, not here. Quality of speaker is 
important, I have some on my Helix that are just a bit too crappy for BIG 
volume, but dont want to pay too much, the last stereo shop showed me a $500 
pair of 4 inchers! Would MOST appreciate replies from anyone who has a 
system that I might learn from. Regards, Ron in Brisbane.


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From: TedJ101@aol.com
	  by emout02.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id HAA23986;
	  Mon, 10 Feb 1997 07:02:30 -0500 (EST)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 07:02:30 -0500 (EST)
To: cf051@cleveland.freenet.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Speaking of flame bait....

In a message dated 97-02-04 09:07:06 EST, cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan
D. Smith) writes:

<< Well, perhaps I'm opening myself up here to being called
 "politically correct," (BTW, is anyone else *really* tired of 
 that becomine a euphemism for showing ANY sensitivity to virtually
 anything?). >>


Alan,

No, I don't see it as a euphamism for showing sensitivity at all.  I see it
in a lot less favorable light, but that isn't a proper subject for this list.

Regards,
         <<TED>>


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From: TedJ101@aol.com
	  by emout01.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id HAA07961 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Mon, 10 Feb 1997 07:02:28 -0500 (EST)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 07:02:28 -0500 (EST)
To: Timmacy@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Warranty Extension...

In a message dated 97-02-04 05:04:33 EST, Timmacy@aol.com writes:

<< I can extend the warranty for another three years for $625.  I know it's
good
 insurance, but has anyone else out there extended their warranty? >>


Well, I for one do not look at it as "good" insurance.  It is insurance (not
a warranty in a legal sense of the word).  The question comes, why do you
want this insurance.  Look carefully at the policy.  See what is covered.
 Then swallow a whole handful of salt and see how that will be interpreted
when "the worst" actually happens.

I used to be in the automobile business and, as a service manager, I hated
these policies.  Take, for example, a burned valve.  The policy will repair
your burned valve -- in the cheapest way possible as opposed to the way you
would want it repaired or the way that I would recommend that it be repaired.
 It makes no sense from an owners perspective (at least a long term owners'
perspective) to repair only the one valve that is actually burned enough to
leak.  You would want to do a full valve job.  The insurer won't do that.  It
will pay to repair the one valve that is truly causing the problem of the
moment. I, as your service manager, will try to persuade you to pick up the
difference to perform a complete valve job.  If you are like the vast
majority of the people in this situation, you will -- after all it is cheaper
and it keeps you from having your vehicle tied up again.  Why won't the
insurance company do the full job since there is a good chance that another
valve is not far from going?  The insurance company knows, as I do, that most
people will spring for the difference, thus reducing their costs further.  

As you can see, I'm not too impressed with these policies.  Of course, this
is only one man's advice.  You pays your money and you takes your choice.

Regards,
         <<TED>>


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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 09:32:55 +0000
From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS)
Subject: Re: Stereo in PC 800!
To: ultspnch@ecn.net.au (Ronald Grant), pc800@hpc.uh.edu

Ron,

Where do you fly in to?

Chris Klass


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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 07:33:18 -0800
From: Johan Lai <jlai@filenet.com>
To: gcw0766@88net.net
Cc: pacific coast list <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: rifle windshields

Gary Wilson wrote:
> 
> BTW, i like the idea of the
> collective purchase power.  we may consider forming a buyer's group to
> where our PC group automatically gets a special discount for individual
> purchases.

I definitely agree.  Having done the PC clothing routine (twice), it
sure
brought the prices down.  It was still a little steep, I think, but
since
it's unique, it could have been much higher.  Several people have asked
me when I will do another run.  Things are heating up a little at work
here so I'll delay that project until March or so.  I'll send out
another
message letting you know when I'm ready to do this again.  Meanwhile, 
keep in mind what you'd like.  You can take a look what the stuff looks 
like at our web page (picture's at the bottom):

http://www.concentric.net/~johanlai/pcrsc

Now that I'm getting a little web-savy :) I could probably rig up the
web page for orders.  There were several suggestions that I go into 
business with this but a few things hold me back:
1) PC population is small compared to the rest of the MC crowd. Even
   fewer are on the Net.  And I don't really want to deal with
   the "other" bikers.
2) We don't have "official" permission to do this.  When I called
   American Honda, their talk was that as long as the image was
   our own "creation" he doesn't see a problem.  I didn't press too
   hard on what that meant.  I think they're only concerned that they're
   left out of the profit ring.  Since I'm not making any money, I've
   got no profit to turn over.
3) My job is pretty stable. It puts food on the table and gadgets
   on my PC :)

Just don't tell them where you got it from.  Unless he/she's a PC
rider of course :)

Cheers,
Johan Lai
Orange, CA
'89 "Cassandra"


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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 07:41:57 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: Keith Sproul <ksproul@rci.rutgers.edu>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Rifle Windshields

> the folks wanting Rifle windshield list to date is: 02/10/07

> keith sproul
> greg chambers
> phil lewis
> chris scales
> doug powell
> gary wilson
> cory estes
> jeff leech
> philips wong
> cliff A. - Redlands
> mike harness-maybe
> julie pipkin-maybe
> steve weinerman
> alexander gray
> mike bavister
> paul hayes-undecided on height

To all of us wanting "Rifles", Gary Wilson is investigating the best
deal, and then we can firm up sizes and prices.  (I hope!  Does that
sound right, Gary?)

You can check out Rifle's prices and a picture on a '90 PC at
http://www.rifle.com/pc800.htm, and right now it
looks like we can take 20% off of that price. 

Phil


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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 09:58:16 +0000
From: Gary Wilson <gcw0766@88net.net>
To: pacific coast list <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: rifle windshields

PILEWIS1 wrote:
> 
> > the folks wanting 25" rifle windshield list to date is: 02/09/07
> 
> > keith sproul
> > greg chambers
> > phil lewis
> > chris scales
> > doug powell
> > gary wilson
> > cory estes
> > jeff leech
> > philips wong
> > cliff A. - Redlands
> > mike harness-maybe
> > julie pipkin-maybe
> > steve weinerman
> > alexander gray
> > mike bavister
> > paul hayes-undecided on height
> 
> To all of us wanting "Rifles", Gary Wilson is investigating the best
> deal, and then we can firm up sizes and prices.  (I hope!  Does that
> sound right, Gary?)
> 
> Phil


i am investigating prices with cycle design, only.  i haven't checked 
anywhere else.  BTW, you don't have to get a 25" if you'ld rather have a 
29".  it was my thought that the discount would apply no matter what the 
size.  just add on if you want extras like tint or color or streamers glued to 
the sides, etc.


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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 08:56:06 -0700 (MST)
From: Eric York <eryork@NMSU.Edu>
To: "Stephen A. Churchill" <schrchll@INETWORLD.NET>
cc: John LaFreniere <johnl@general.net>, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: ST1100

As one who bought an ST after having the PC for several years, I have a
few experiences to share.  Remember,  YMMV.  ;) I am 6-4 and 215 (that's
1.93, 97.5 to you in the sensible parts of the world)
which has a definite effect on my perceptions of the bike. First, as one
personmentioned, it really is a bigger bike. The ST weighs about 100 pounds 
morethan the PC. It does have the low fuel tank, similar to the PC, and this
helps a lot in low speed maneuvering. City riding is no more difficult
than on the PC. The only thing you DO NOT want to
have to do is back the bike uphill. The saddle is high enough (even for
me) that one may need to dismount to accomplish things like this.

I vastly prefer the riding position of the ST. Yes the handlebar is lower.
Yes it is further forward. Yes it is more comfortable. ;) The PC always
put my butt to sleep because the position was SO upright that all my
weight was on the pointy part of the butt bones (hip joint?). Sitting
leaned just a tad forward, one's weight is distributed over a larger area
on butt and inside of legs.  I have put in 1000 mile + (1600 km+) days
on the ST. Passenger accomodations are definitely more comfortable on the
PC.   

Someone (Steve?) mentioned buzziness of the engine of the ST. With carbs
synced _exactly_ (not just "to spec") this is reduced a significantly. The
only time I notice a buzz is above 5k (read: above 100 mph). 

Saddlebag capacity of the ST is surprisingly close to the PC. A large
Shoei nearly fills one side, as it does on the PC. A tank bag is more
easily and more naturally mounted on the ST. I use a Givi 50l top box, as
some of you do. Speaking of capacity, the official carrying capacity of
the ST is only something like 10 or 20 pounds more than the PC, but it
handles being overloaded (as many of us do) MUCH better. MY wife and I
took our honeymoon on the ST. I estimate we were about 100 pounds
overweight, and nary a problem or complaint. The bike was amazingly
stable, even in somewhat more "brisk" situations than perhaps we should
have been in. I would not dare do this with the PC. Neither the suspension
nor its engine would handle it well. On a tangentially related subject, I
like the adjustable rebound damping on the ST. The PC has only the "soft"
setting. ;)


Clearly, fairng coverage is much better with the PC. However, after
getting caught in a nasty storm outside of Flagstaff, we were pretty
impressed with dry we stayed on the ST.


Areas where the PC gets the nod: Fairing coverage, trunk/capacity (barely)
pilot footroom/pegs. Colors. The only thing that should be "arrest me red"
as one STer calls it, is a Ducati. ;) I loved the refridgerator, and the
black is very nice too.  Pillion. Tires last longer, both because of
available compounds and how they get abused^H^H^H^H^Hused. Price!

Areas where the ST has a clear advantage: POWER! Range (lower mpg, but 7.7
gallon tank), Handling in the twisties (although the PC does quite well
in this area). Amazing stopping ability for a 725 pound bike. Styling.
Please, no flames ;)

This isn't meant to be a public flogging of the PC. I tried to be
objective as possible; I just like the ST better. (What else could I say
after having bought one? ;)

Sorry to ramble folks. Send me a private e-mail if you want to know more.

Eric York
Department of Mathematics
Southern Oregon State College

york@wpo.sosc.osshe.edu


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From: BernieK469@aol.com
	  by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id LAA22475;
	  Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:13:10 -0500 (EST)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:13:10 -0500 (EST)
To: Pauly@msn.com, PILEWIS1@concentric.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: RE: rifle windshields

I am 6 foot tall, with a 31 inch inseam.  I originally ourchased a 22 
inch Rifle, but found disconcerting to be looking through the windscreen. 
 I now have a 20 inch Rifle, and I am very happy.  The top edge of the 22 
inch windscreen moves through your line of vision as the bike goes up and 
down hills.  The 22 inch screen totally shelters you.  It turns your PC 
into a Gold Wing. The 20 inch screen lets the top of your helmet cut into 
the breeze, with your vision about 3 to 4 inches above the screen.   


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From: Rusty Jackson <rjackson@wrightstrat.com>
To: "'greg501@ix.netcom.com'" <greg501@ix.netcom.com>,
        "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'"
	 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: Rife Sizing
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 09:07:37 -0800

I am 6' also, but I have a 34" inseam, so more of my height is in my 
legs, and I have the +6 Rifle. If I sit up straight, I can see over 
it, but generally I look through it.  The wind however does still 
catch my helmet enough to cool my head with this setup.  In your case, 
I certainly wouldn't go less than the 27" or you'll be defeating the 
purpose of replacing the shield.

Rusty

======================================
Russell C. Jackson - Software Engineer
rjackson@wrightstrat.com
--------------------------------------
Wright Strategies
2223 Avenida de la Playa
La Jolla, CA 92037
619-551-6808
======================================


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From:	greg501@ix.netcom.com [SMTP:greg501@ix.netcom.com]
Sent:	Sunday, February 09, 1997 6:58 PM
To:	pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject:	Rife Sizing

I'm signed up for a Rifle windshield, but I'm not sure what size is
right.  I'm 6'0", but only a 30" inseam.  My height is all in my 
torso.
I'm looking over the stock windshield at the ground 20-30' out in
front.  It seems like I would be better off with the 27" than the 25". 
I put a ruler on top of my stock windshield (sloping like the
windshield) and if I add 4" to go from 23" stock Honda to 27" Rifle, I 
think I will still see over the top quite well.  With 6" added (Rifle 
29"), I'll be looking through it, which I don't think I really want to 
do.

My other concern is heat.  When I crouch down, it gets VERY quiet, but 
it also gets VERY still, and I can see myself melting this summer if
this wonderful tall windshield keeps any air from coming through my
helmet vents.  That argument heads me back toward the 25" Rifle.

What to do, what to do.  Do I have to choose between the heat and the 
wind noise?  Any thoughts?

Greg
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From: Rusty Jackson <rjackson@wrightstrat.com>
To: "'greg501@ix.netcom.com'" <greg501@ix.netcom.com>,
        "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'"
	 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: Rife Sizing
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 09:30:06 -0800

By 27", I of course meant the +4" shield which most here are calling 
the 22" shield.  I was just adding the 5" base.

Rusty


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From:	Rusty Jackson
Sent:	Monday, February 10, 1997 9:08 AM
To:	'greg501@ix.netcom.com'; 'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'
Subject:	RE: Rife Sizing

I am 6' also, but I have a 34" inseam, so more of my height is in my
legs, and I have the +6 Rifle. If I sit up straight, I can see over
it, but generally I look through it.  The wind however does still
catch my helmet enough to cool my head with this setup.  In your case, 
I certainly wouldn't go less than the 27" or you'll be defeating the
purpose of replacing the shield.

Rusty

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rjackson@wrightstrat.com
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2223 Avenida de la Playa
La Jolla, CA 92037
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 10 Feb 1997 10:00:19 -0700 (PDT)
 <01BC173A.248D18E0@cypspain.ug.eds.com>; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 10:06:54 -0800

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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 10:06:49 -0800
From: Harrison Spain <_spain@edsug.com>
Subject: Filling in the white lettering
To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>

Over the years, some of the white letter paint has chipped or rubbed out of 
the letters on my "High/Low" beam switch and the engine kill switch.

Last night, I replaced the lettering with a solution I though I'd pass 
along.

I used white paint designed to color clothing.  This paint is a bit 
flexable and should be 'bionic' enough to withstand some weather (if it can 
handle the washing machine, it should be OK for my PC) :-).

All you do is squirt a little on the letters, rub it around a bit with your 
finger to get the paint into the letters, and then rub the excess off with 
a rag.

I have enough to do about 1000 bikes if anyone is interested during our 
next ride :-).

Harrison


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From: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: Re: Filling in the white lettering
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 2:47:50 WST

Hi!
 
> I used white paint designed to color clothing.  This paint is a bit 
> flexable and should be 'bionic' enough to withstand some weather (if it can 
> handle the washing machine, it should be OK for my PC) :-).

I just brush on a little of white correction fluid for typewriters, let it dry
and rub off the excess with a cloth with alcohol.  It gives a hard finishing
when dried.

-- 
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Philips Wong,                    '84 HONDA GL1200A     <-- Classic!     *
  *      VR2XVI <-- HAM                    Gold Wing Aspencade               *
  *      PCA420 <-- Royal Hong Kong   '90 HONDA PC800  red  <-- Little Wing  *
  *                  Aux. Police           Yeh, Wing front look and spoiler  *
  *      101177 <-- the only GWRRA    '95 HONDA GL1500SE    <-- Chrome!      *
  *                  member in HK          The flooded bike                  *
  *                                                                          *
  *  Police Training School taught :   HONDA   CBX750       <-- Police       *
  *  " I have the honour to be, Sir,   YAMAHA  Diversion 600<--    work      *
  *       your obedient servant!"      HONDA   CBX250       <--       bike   *
  *                                                                          *
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Will work for gas & chrome.  I have two Wings, and a baby Wing at home. *
  ****************************************************************************


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Date:     Mon, 10 Feb 97 11:07:03 PST
From: "Erin Dolin"      <Erin.Dolin@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Count me in for a Rifle

Hi there,

I may also be interested in getting a Rifle when purchased.  I'm
short (5'6") so the 20" clear windshield (25" when installed) would
suit me just fine.

Thanks,

Erin Dolin
Mountain View, CA
'95 PC


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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:33:24 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Rifle Windshields: Updated list

> > the folks wanting Rifle windshield list to date is: 02/10/07 @ 11:30am pst
> 
> > keith sproul
> > greg chambers
> > phil lewis
> > chris scales
> > doug powell
> > gary wilson
> > cory estes
> > jeff leech
> > philips wong
> > cliff A. - Redlands
> > mike harness-maybe
> > julie pipkin-maybe
> > steve weinerman
> > alexander gray
> > mike bavister
> > paul hayes
> > mike jones
> > erin dolan
> > johan lai-maybe
> 
> To all of us wanting "Rifles", Gary Wilson is investigating the best
> deal, and then we can firm up sizes and prices.  (I hope!  Does that
> sound right, Gary?)
> 
> You can check out Rifle's prices and a picture on a '90 PC at
> http://www.rifle.com/pc800.htm, and right now it
> looks like we can take 20% off of that price.
> 
> Phil


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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 15:13:19 EST
From: James Hyder <jhyder@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Rifle Windshields

A word to you folks ordering Rifle screens. 
 
I placed my order last summer, and debated whether to order the color-matched 
shield or not. (I have an '89.)  The factory told me that they could ship out 
the standard black right away, but that the color matching would take about 2 
weeks longer.  I decided that despite the delay I'd rather have the 
color-matched shield. 
 
Two weeks became three, four, five, etc.  Eventually, about two *months* 
after I placed the order, the shield arrived.  During this time I called 
Rifle several times, and was told on more than one occasion was told 
(inaccurately) that it would go out "early next week."  At no time did the 
people there explain the delay in any meaningful way or express any regret at 
the inconvenience they were causing.  If I had known when ordering that "two 
weeks" meant "two months," I might have made a different decsion. 
 
That is, until I saw the actual shield.  The color matching is just perfect. 
You simply cannot tell that this isn't part of the original bike.  (I have 
kept my bike under a cover whenever I wasn't riding, and with the cream white 
of the '89, fading probably isn't much of an issue.  You guys with red or 
black bikes that have been in the sun a lot may find that the match isn't 
quite as perfect if your paint has shifted a shade or two from the original. 
But that's just a guess on my part.)   
 
So despite the unexpected delay, I am happy with my Rifle.  I would advise 
those of you considering the color-match option to take with a grain of salt 
Rifle's estimates for delivery.  Of course, with a large order, things may be 
different. 
 
--James Hyder 
  Columbia, MD  USA 
  '89 PC800, bought new in '91.  25K+ miles. 


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To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 15:25:53 EST
From: James Hyder <jhyder@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Filling in the white lettering

** Reply to note from Harrison Spain <_spain@edsug.com> Mon, 10 Feb 1997 10:06:49 -0800 
> Over the years, some of the white letter paint has chipped or rubbed out of 
> the letters on my "High/Low" beam switch and the engine kill switch.  
>  
> Last night, I replaced the lettering with a solution I though I'd pass 
> along.  
>  
> I used white paint designed to color clothing. This paint is a bit flexable 
> and should be 'bionic' enough to withstand some weather (if it can handle 
> the washing machine, it should be OK for my PC) :-).  
 
I had the same problem, and simply used Testor's model enamel (yes, the kind 
you used on your airplane models when you were a kid.  If you still have some 
left over from those days, throw it out and buy a new bottle for this 
project. It'll only cost a buck, you cheapskate!). 
 
I filled in the letters with a brush, wiped off the excess with a cloth 
(dampened with a little thinner, if necessary), let it dry, and applied a 
second coat. It's worked fine since last summer. 
 
Without meaning to criticize Harrison (and for all I know, his stuff will 
work fine), I suspect that paint intended to bind to plastic may work better 
in the long run than paint intended to bind to cloth.  But then again, the 
stuff that Honda put in in the first place was presumably intended for 
plastic. 
 
[BTW, in case there are any humor-impaired people out there, I wasn't 
directing that "cheapskate" remark at any one in particular.  It's a joke!] 
 
--James 
  Columbia, MD 
  '89 PC800, bought new in '91  25K+ miles 


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From: ChrisTUBA@aol.com
	  by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id SAA20021 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Mon, 10 Feb 1997 18:05:12 -0500 (EST)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 18:05:12 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Rifle back pressure...

Hi All!

In regards to my posting yesterday about the Rifle windshield, I was asked to
clarify by the "back pressure" which I have felt.  Again, I have the tallest
shield, being a person who likes to stay out of the direct airflow.  I want
to add that plenty of wind makes it in, but the noise level decreases by 80%
from the stock Honda shield.

The back pressure I have felt is wind that somehow goes around the shield and
then comes back around the bike, either pushing up or pulling down on the
lower back.  This is most noticiable in the first five minutes of driving, at
speeds of 70 MPH or more.  (You all let the cycle warm up significantly
before reaching these speeds, of course)

There have been no ill effects as I ride with a back support belt (available
at WalMart for $15 or less).  Even though this might not be necessary, it
sure helps on the long trips.  I stole that idea from the list server this
past summer.

But I would not trade my Rifle for anything at this point.  It took a while
to get used to the looks, but I've fallen in love with the look now.

And, to the person that mentioned it...you're right.  I do need the Corbin.
 That will get ordered in May.

Thanks all.  This has been a great thread as of late, although I do miss the
technological talk which kept me thinking, "Huh?"  I'm a music education and
Bible major, not a mechanic!

L8r,

Chris Russell


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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 18:12:50 -0500
From: Doug Powell <dpowell@surfsouth.com>
To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Rifle Windshields: Updated list

Boy, this has come a long way from the first mention of a new shield! 
This has to be one of the best advantages of being a list member(along 
with the great folks). I think I am leaning toward a 22" shield as I 
stand 6'0 w/32 inseam...thinking about color matching but probably will 
go with just a standard setup. Looks like we could end up with 20 or 
more!

Doug


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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 17:38:20 -0700
From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Thanks

A brief and heartfelt thanks to all who answered my
call for advice about going 'on line' at home (as opposed
to at work).  The advice was of great help!

Bob C.
NM


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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 17:55:35 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Rifle Windshields: Updated list

Y'all wanting Rifle windshields... list to date is: 02/10/07 @ 5:45pm
pst

 1. Keith Sproul
 2. Greg Chambers
 3. Phil Lewis
 4. Chris Scales
 5. Doug Powell
 6. Gary Wilson
 7. Cory Estes
 8. Jeff Leech
 9. Philips Wong
10. Cliff A. - Redlands (If you please, I didn't get your last name.)
11. Mike Harness-maybe
12. Julie Pipkin-maybe
13. Steve Weinerman
14. Alexander Gray
15. Mike Bavister
17. Paul Hayes
18. Mike Jones
19. Erin Dolan
20. Johan Lai-maybe
21. Barry Shaffer
22. Gordon Gazaway
23. Mike Harness
24. Dave Lott
25. Mike Larson

     Has our list grown or what!!!???  

     I'll be giving Rifle a phone call tomorrow, and see what they say
to a 30% discount. With all of the diversity in sizes, colors, and
locations, I'm going to ask for a special order number for our discount,
but we will all mail our own checks and have the shields mailed to our
own addresses.

I'll e-mail Y'all with their answer, which is at least 20% off, which
they already agreed to.  I'll also fill you in with whatever details
they give me.

For those who have questions on sizes, colors, their undiscounted
prices, etc., check out their web page at:


http://www.rifle.com/pc800.htm


Phil


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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 21:12:49 -0500
From: "Gary E. Klim" <garyklim@snet.net>
To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net
CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Rifle Windshields: Updated list

Phil Lewis wrote:
> 
> Y'all wanting Rifle windshields... list to date is: 02/10/07 @ 5:45pm

OK, I've talked myself into an early birthday present. Sign me up for
their "standard" 20" clear shield with standard black ABS lower
mounting. (I'm 5'7" and prefer to be able to look over the shield) PMS
takes another victim... :)

gk
________________________________________________________________________
Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut    garyklim@snet.net
________________________________________________________________________


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From: Smcavin@aol.com
	  by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id VAA16029 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Mon, 10 Feb 1997 21:43:45 -0500 (EST)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 21:43:45 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Chris's thread - BMW 1200, Concourse VS. PC


Chris,


You mentioned the Kawasaki Concourse and the BMW K1200. Both of these bikes
are fine machines but share a similar characteristic - both are tall bikes
(seat heights greater than 31 inches) that are extra top heavy due to large,
top fuel tanks. 

Also, the Concourse is a powerful 1000 in line four, but not rubber mounted.
Very buzzy engine. I'm not sure about the K bikes - I know the new R bikes
are rubber mounted - the old ones (R100RT) were not.

The moral of the story - the PC is thoughtfully and thoroughly well designed.
It's low seat and low center of gravity - tank under seat - plus rubber
mounted engine offers the long distance rider unprecedented comfort for a
sport bike.

The grass is greener on this side of the fence.

Bart

"If its broken - take a hammer to it"


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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 19:07:59 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Rifle Windshields: Updated lis

> Y'all wanting Rifle windshields... list to date is: 02/10/07 @ 7:00pm pst
> 
>  1. Keith Sproul
>  2. Greg Chambers
>  3. Phil Lewis
>  4. Chris Scales
>  5. Doug Powell
>  6. Gary Wilson
>  7. Cory Estes
>  8. Jeff Leech
>  9. Philips Wong
> 10. Cliff A. - Redlands (If you please, I didn't get your last name.)
> 11. Mike Harness-maybe
> 12. Julie Pipkin-maybe
> 13. Steve Weinerman
> 14. Alexander Gray
> 15. Mike Bavister
> 17. Paul Hayes
> 18. Mike Jones
> 19. Erin Dolan
> 20. Johan Lai-maybe
> 21. Barry Shaffer
> 22. Gordon Gazaway
> 23. Mike Harness
> 24. Dave Lott
> 25. Mike Larson
  26. Gary Klim
> 
>      Has our list grown or what!!!???
> 
>      I'll be giving Rifle a phone call tomorrow, and see what they say
> to a 30% discount. With all of the diversity in sizes, colors, and
> locations, I'm going to ask for a special order number for our discount,
> but we will all mail our own checks and have the shields mailed to our
> own addresses.
> 
> I'll e-mail Y'all with their answer, which is at least 20% off, which
> they already agreed to.  I'll also fill you in with whatever details
> they give me.
> 
> For those who have questions on sizes, colors, their undiscounted
> prices, etc., check out their web page at:
> 
> http://www.rifle.com/pc800.htm
> 
> Phil


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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:28:38 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Rifle Windshields: Updated list

> Y'all wanting Rifle windshields... list to date is: 02/10/07 @ 10:00pm pst
> 
>  1. Keith Sproul
>  2. Greg Chambers
>  3. Phil Lewis
>  4. Chris Scales
>  5. Doug Powell
>  6. Gary Wilson
>  7. Cory Estes
>  8. Jeff Leech
>  9. Philips Wong
> 10. Cliff A. - Redlands (If you please, I didn't get your last name.)
> 11. Mike Harness-maybe
> 12. Julie Pipkin-maybe
> 13. Steve Weinerman
> 14. Alexander Gray
> 15. Mike Bavister
> 17. Paul Hayes
> 18. Mike Jones
> 19. Erin Dolan
> 20. Johan Lai-maybe
> 21. Barry Shaffer
> 22. Gordon Gazaway
> 23. Mike Harness
> 24. Dave Lott
> 25. Mike Larson
  26. Gary Klim
> 
>      Has our list grown or what!!!???
> 
>      I'll be giving Rifle a phone call tomorrow, and see what they say
> to a 30% discount. With all of the diversity in sizes, colors, and
> locations, I'm going to ask for a special order number for our discount,
> but we will all mail our own checks and have the shields mailed to our
> own addresses.
> 
> I'll e-mail Y'all with their answer, which is at least 20% off, which
> they already agreed to.  I'll also fill you in with whatever details
> they give me.
> 
> For those who have questions on sizes, colors, their undiscounted
> prices, etc., check out their web page at:
> 
> http://www.rifle.com/pc800.htm
> 
> Phil


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From: Timmacy@aol.com
	  by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id DAA10313 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Tue, 11 Feb 1997 03:07:20 -0500 (EST)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 03:07:20 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: I'm Baaaack!

In a message dated 97-02-04 13:48:04 EST, Steve Churchill wrote:

<< I have been offline for a couple of weeks due to my intense frustration
with my online service....AOL >>

Steve's not alone in his frustrations. I have been threatening to drop AOL
for months, and have been dealing with the same inability to connect.  I've
got five telephone numbers, and all of them were bad today!  I thought my
NetCom account would be the salvation, but they've been just as bad.  So I
ordered WorldNet from AT&T (they won PCComputing's 1996 MVP Award for ISPs)
and Gerri Ewing down Texas way was very helpfully gave me a tech line to call
if I experienced any problems.  So yesterday I spent the entire afternoon
trying to get the connection until their techies finally determined that I
had a corrupted CD-Rom!  They suggested signing on to the AT&T web site and
downloading another copy from there.  But I wasn't able to get on to either
AOL or my  NetCom account (4 hours of trying) to do it!  :-{{

Oh, well, tomorrow's another day.  And I'm going to log on REAL EARLY...!

Tim
Portland, OR
'94 PC800--37,800 and riding
"Growing old is mandatory, but growing up is optional."


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From: Timmacy@aol.com
	  by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id DAA28853 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Tue, 11 Feb 1997 03:07:30 -0500 (EST)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 03:07:30 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC 800 Driver Back Rest

In a message dated 97-02-08 10:22:24 EST, Gerri Ewing wrote:

<< The back rest was manufacured by Utopia. Unfortunatly I've managed to lose
their number and address.  >>

I've got it (packrat that I am).

Utopia Products
3867 West Market, #202
Akron, OH  44333
(216) 666-2602

If you give 'em a call, they'll send you their Installation for Pacific Coast
4-page guide replete with pictures and a swatch of fabric to see how closely
it matches your seat.  Nice folks.  I will eventually buy one; it's
adjustable and looks really good (IMHO).

Tim
Portland, OR
'94 PC800--37,800 and riding
"Growing old is mandatory, but growing up is optional."


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From: "bob peterson" <afn05166@afn.org>
To: <Timmacy@aol.com>, <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: PC 800 Driver Back Rest
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 07:20:36 -0500

Thanks to Tim and Gerri for their help on rider backrests.
I just got the information packet from Utopia yesterday.

For those interested here is the latest information:

Utopia Products
3867 W. Market #202
Akron, Oh  44333
(330) 666-2602

Price $129.00 plus $6.50 s/h
delivery 3 weeks

The picture in the archives still matches the one they sent me.
The info they sent includes complete instructions for mounting, 
but seems to indicate the need to buy a honda line bracket.
I'll have to call and clarify the bracket issue.
If I purchase the backrest I'll send a detail account of my mistakes :)

Bob & Sandy Peterson
Gainesville, FL


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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Busy signals
From: mike.larson@juno.com (Mike Larson)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 08:32:03 EST

Hello,

Like many of you, I got tired of busy signals at my internet  provider. 
A good alternative is to use one of the free e-mail services.  I switched
to Juno several weeks ago and have been very pleased.  No busy signals
and no connect charges.

Mike Larson
mike.larson@juno.com


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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 08:46:57 +0000
From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS)
Subject: Re: Rifle back pressure...
To: ChrisTUBA@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu

I have a Rifle 4+ and there is a noticable increase in back preasure when I 
got it.  I have had the screen since 3 weeks after I bought the bike.  After a 
while I really stopped even noticing it.  I am considering Sang (sp) edging in 
the future but for now its no big deal.  I felt it on the back of my helmet 
the most.  Which makes me think that with a little edging I could eliminate 
it.  But the reduction in noise is so dramatic, and makes riding so much 
better that I would not even consider for a minute going back.

Does anyone have the smoked screen?  I am wondering how it affects night 
riding?  

Chris Klass
95 PC800


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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 08:13:44 +0000
From: Gary Wilson <gcw0766@88net.net>
To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net, pacific coast list <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Rifle Windshields: Updated list

ok, here's the deal:
doug at cycle design has stated that the rifle windshield will cost 148.00 
each.  that includes freight to each of your addresses.  that price is for the 
25, 27, or 29 inch windshield.  it is for standard color.  you can send him a 
check or credit card individually, referencing me or the list (re:gary wilson 
or pc 800 list).  
he talked to rifle and indicated that they didn't show that much flexibility 
or concern no matter how many people wanted the shields.  (don't you 
just love a buyer's market?)
so, there's no need for everyone to do anything -- just go for it -- unless 
someone has a bud in another shop somewhere who can check a better 
deal.  IMHO i think rifle isn't going to budge much more.
gary.
ps i'm at home and don't have doug's phone number here (they're not on 
line yet).  but they are in the archive's under parts and i'll email the 
address and phone when i go in to the office here in an hour or so.


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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:09:04 -0500
From: Roger Prince <roger@etgn14.webo.dg.com>
To: Mike Larson <mike.larson@juno.com>
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Busy signals

Mike Larson wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Like many of you, I got tired of busy signals at my internet  provider.
> A good alternative is to use one of the free e-mail services.  I switched
> to Juno several weeks ago and have been very pleased.  No busy signals
> and no connect charges.
> 
> Mike Larson
> mike.larson@juno.com

Almost FREE.  No graphics, no trash, no messages over 61kb.  We seldom
get more than we pay for unless it's something we don't want.:)

Roger

ps I have Juno, as a backup.  Not all PC list messages make it there.


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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:18:30 -0500
From: Roger Prince <roger@etgn14.webo.dg.com>
To: Timmacy@aol.com
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: I'm Baaaack!

Timmacy@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 97-02-04 13:48:04 EST, Steve Churchill wrote:
> 
> << I have been offline for a couple of weeks due to my intense frustration
> with my online service....AOL >>
> 
> Steve's not alone in his frustrations. I have been threatening to drop AOL
> for months, and have been dealing with the same inability to connect.  I've
> got five telephone numbers, and all of them were bad today!  I thought my
> NetCom account would be the salvation, but they've been just as bad.  So I
> ordered WorldNet from AT&T (they won PCComputing's 1996 MVP Award for ISPs)
> and Gerri Ewing down Texas way was very helpfully gave me a tech line to call
> if I experienced any problems.  So yesterday I spent the entire afternoon
> trying to get the connection until their techies finally determined that I
> had a corrupted CD-Rom!  They suggested signing on to the AT&T web site and
> downloading another copy from there.  But I wasn't able to get on to either
> AOL or my  NetCom account (4 hours of trying) to do it!  :-{{
> 
> Oh, well, tomorrow's another day.  And I'm going to log on REAL EARLY...!
> 
> Tim
> Portland, OR
> '94 PC800--37,800 and riding
> "Growing old is mandatory, but growing up is optional."
> --

The HSTA list must be flaming again, sucking up the bandwidth.


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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 07:49:21 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Rifle Windshields: Updated list

Phil Lewis wrote:
> 
> > Y'all wanting Rifle windshields... list to date is: 02/11/07 @ 7:45am pst
> >
> >  1. Keith Sproul
> >  2. Greg Chambers
> >  3. Phil Lewis
> >  4. Chris Scales
> >  5. Doug Powell
> >  6. Gary Wilson
> >  7. Cory Estes
> >  8. Jeff Leech
> >  9. Philips Wong
> > 10. Cliff A. - Redlands (If you please, I didn't get your last name.)
> > 11. Mike Harness-maybe
> > 12. Julie Pipkin-maybe
> > 13. Steve Weinerman
> > 14. Alexander Gray
> > 15. Mike Bavister
> > 17. Paul Hayes
> > 18. Mike Jones
> > 19. Erin Dolan
> > 20. Johan Lai-maybe
> > 21. Barry Shaffer
> > 22. Gordon Gazaway
> > 23. Mike Harness
> > 24. Dave Lott
> > 25. Mike Larson
>   26. Gary Klim

    27. Dana Sawyer-maybe

> >
> >      Has our list grown or what!!!???
> >
> >      I'll be giving Rifle a phone call tomorrow, and see what they say
> > to a 30% discount. With all of the diversity in sizes, colors, and
> > locations, I'm going to ask for a special order number for our discount,
> > but we will all mail our own checks and have the shields mailed to our
> > own addresses.
> >
> > I'll e-mail Y'all with their answer, which is at least 20% off, which
> > they already agreed to.  I'll also fill you in with whatever details
> > they give me.
> >
> > For those who have questions on sizes, colors, their undiscounted
> > prices, etc., check out their web page at:
> >
> > http://www.rifle.com/pc800.htm
> >
> > Phil
> --


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From: BernieK469@aol.com
	  by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id KAA08040 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:52:05 -0500 (EST)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:52:05 -0500 (EST)
cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: AOL Busy Signals

I still use AOL for my e-mail.   I have a program that can download my 
e-mail at 3 AM in the morning, or at any other times I choose.    It 
checks my different AOL accounts as well as other providers.   AOL has 
the best services for weather information, travel data and etc.  But, I 
now use AT&T as my internet provider.  AOL has been getting better 
lately.  I have had little trouble signing on during the morning hours, 
from 9 AM to noon.  It is during the afternoons and evenings I find it 
impossible to reach AOL.  

Bernie  


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From: cscales@haywire.csuhayward.edu
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 09:16:33 -0800
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, gcw0766@88net.net
Subject: Re: Rifle Windshields: Updated list

any break on the price for color matching??????  5 bucks??  ten bucks???

am I the only one interested in getting the painted base????


;-)
chris scales..........


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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 09:38:25 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Rifle Windshields: Updated list

Phil Lewis wrote:
> 
> Here is a quick update:
> 
> I just called Rifle and asked for a 30% discount.  I was told that if
> they have 30 or more confirmed orders, that it was a definite
> possibility.  Right now, we have 28 names, some maybes.
> So.............  I'm going for the 30/30, and I'll let you know later.
> Of course, you have to add $8.00 for shipping and handling, which would
> make the cost---
> 
> All other states - $132.30 plus $8.00 = total $140.30.
> 
> Californian's have to add 7.25% of $132.30=$9.59 + $140.30 = $141.89
> plus $8.00 = $149.89.
> 
> It looks like, for us Californians, we are all better off going with
> Gary Wilson's plan at Cycle Design for $148.00, shipping included.
> Since that would reduce the overall orders, it looks like Cycle Design
> is the way to go.
> 
> I want to thank Gary Wilson for his work and finding Cycle Design.
> 
> I'll let you know if their are any further developments with Rifle.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Phil
> 
> > >
> > > > Y'all wanting Rifle windshields... list to date is: 02/11/07 @ 9:30am pst
> > > >
> > > >  1. Keith Sproul
> > > >  2. Greg Chambers
> > > >  3. Phil Lewis
> > > >  4. Chris Scales
> > > >  5. Doug Powell
> > > >  6. Gary Wilson
> > > >  7. Cory Estes
> > > >  8. Jeff Leech
> > > >  9. Philips Wong
> > > > 10. Cliff A. - Redlands (If you please, I didn't get your last name.)
> > > > 11. Mike Harness-maybe
> > > > 12. Julie Pipkin-maybe
> > > > 13. Steve Weinerman
> > > > 14. Alexander Gray
> > > > 15. Mike Bavister
> > > > 17. Paul Hayes
> > > > 18. Mike Jones
> > > > 19. Erin Dolan
> > > > 20. Johan Lai-maybe
> > > > 21. Barry Shaffer
> > > > 22. Gordon Gazaway
> > > > 23. Mike Harness
> > > > 24. Dave Lott
> > > > 25. Mike Larson
> > >   26. Gary Klim
> >
        27. Dana Sawyer-maybe

        28. David Clark


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To: mike.larson@juno.com
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Busy signals
From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 13:11:02 EST

Mike is correct.  I'm not on the net, but I've been using Juno for four
months now and it has been glitch-free.  Send your name and address to
"signup@juno.com" and they will mail you their disk.

Richard Hardy, San Diego
"Aka Neko"   RAHardy@juno.com


On Tue, 11 Feb 1997 08:32:03 EST mike.larson@juno.com (Mike Larson)
writes:
>Hello,
>
>Like many of you, I got tired of busy signals at my internet  
>provider.  A good alternative is to use one of the free e-mail 
>services.  I switched to Juno several weeks ago and have been very 
>pleased.  No busy signals and no connect charges.
>
>Mike Larson
>mike.larson@juno.com
>-- Visit the PC800 web page at <URL:http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800/> 
>To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of 
>a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to 
>pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu.  


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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 13:36:43 -0500
From: Roger Prince <roger@etgn14.webo.dg.com>
To: Richard A Hardy <rahardy@juno.com>
Cc: mike.larson@juno.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Busy signals

> Mike is correct.  I'm not on the net, but I've been using Juno for four
> months now and it has been glitch-free.  Send your name and address to
> "signup@juno.com" and they will mail you their disk.
> 
> Richard Hardy, San Diego
> "Aka Neko"   RAHardy@juno.com

Or if you are in a real hurry I'll mail you a floppy copy for the $3.
priority mail charge (2-3 day delivery).

Roger


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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:52:52 -0800
From: Johan Lai <jlai@filenet.com>
To: Roger Prince <roger@etgn14.webo.dg.com>
Cc: Richard A Hardy <rahardy@juno.com>, mike.larson@juno.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Busy signals

Roger Prince wrote:
> 
> > Mike is correct.  I'm not on the net, but I've been using Juno for four
> > months now and it has been glitch-free.  Send your name and address to
> > "signup@juno.com" and they will mail you their disk.
> >
> > Richard Hardy, San Diego
> > "Aka Neko"   RAHardy@juno.com
> 
> Or if you are in a real hurry I'll mail you a floppy copy for the $3.
> priority mail charge (2-3 day delivery).
> 
> Roger
--

Heck, I could even put it on our web page and you can download it.
It's only one floppy.  You'd have to wait till I get home though.
That's where it's at right now.  Or I can email it to you if you
know how to decode it (either uuencode or mime).

Cheers,
Johan Lai
Orange, CA
'89 "Cassandra"


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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 13:44:11 -0800
From: "Stephen A. Churchill" <schrchll@INETWORLD.NET>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Whazza wet Clutch?

Ok Somebody wanted to talk technical stuff.  I have heard talk of a wet
clutch. What am dem tings an' do a PC got one?  What might be the
difference between a "dry clutch and a "wet clutch"? What is the purpose
or advantage of one over the other?  
Anybody out there with a technical bent?  I wanna know!
SAC '89 PC 36k and counting

 with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Tue, 11 Feb 1997 17:46:48 -0500

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 17:46:27 -0800
From: "Gregg L. DesElms" <deselms@royal.net>
To: BernieK469@aol.com
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Re: AOL Busy Signals

BernieK469@aol.com wrote:
> 
> I still use AOL for my e-mail.   I have a program that can download my
> e-mail at 3 AM in the morning, or at any other times I choose.    It
> checks my different AOL accounts as well as other providers.   AOL has
> the best services for weather information, travel data and etc.  But, I
> now use AT&T as my internet provider.  AOL has been getting better
> lately.  I have had little trouble signing on during the morning hours,
> from 9 AM to noon.  It is during the afternoons and evenings I find it
> impossible to reach AOL.
> 
> Bernie
> 

'Ya know, Bernie, I've been reading how much you and some others like
AOL on this list for several days now.  I don't mean to be a jerk or
anything (although my ex-wife will tell you I've got that down to a
science), but it's difficult to put into words my disbelief when you
make statements like AOL either is the "best" or has the "best" of
anything.  Please don't misinterpret this as a "flame," 'cause it's not
that I think you're a jerk or anything.  But it's hard to believe that
anyone could think AOL is okay.  As a company -- not just an on-line
company, but ANY company -- AOL has exhibited some of the most ethically
unconscionable and egregious behavior I have ever seen.  Okay, they're
not as bad as some manufacturer that routinely dumps toxic waste into
lakes and streams, but AOL is right up there with the worst of them. 
It's not just because someone decided to "pick" on AOL that the
attorneys-general from several states got together to sue their asses
off.  They have a policy of ripping people off.  It's not an oversight
on their part.  It's not an accident.  AOL actively seeks to defraud its
members, and that's a fact.  That kind of behavior is a felony in all 50
states.

And as far as the service you've been getting...  I don't know what your
standards are, but not being able to retrieve e-mail until 3 AM should
not be acceptable to anyone.  It's nice that you have a utility that
will do that for you, but you should be able to dial-in at any time,
24-hours-a-day, 7-days-a-week, and rarely (if ever) get a busy signal. 
A quality Internet Service Provider (ISP) maintains a ratio of not more
than 8 to 10 customers per incoming modem so that the statistical
probability of busy signals is markedly reduced -- ideally 3 to 5.  

And apparently you don't mind censorship on the Web.  AOL is one of the
on-line world's most notorious offenders in the area of censorship and
attempting to control content.

There are a number of anti-AOL websites on the Internet.  And, with all
of its recent troubles, there are now a number of web pages devoted to
reporting the news of AOL's most recent troubles.  But two of the best
of which I'm aware are as follows:

http://www5.zdnet.com/anchordesk/story/story_676.html

http://www.en.com/users/tfinley/

I would like to think that, after reading everything (or at least most
of what's) on these two pages (plus any links from them that interest
you), you might re-think your loyalty to a content provider that is so
bereft of professional ethics.

While AT&T is not perfect, it is far and away better than AOL,
CompuServe, Prodigy or any of the other "content" providers (as opposed
to pure ISPs).  There are fantastic weather sites on the Web -- far
supierior to anything AOL either has or ever dreamed of having.  You
just have to know where to look for them.  When I encounter an AOL
subscriber, I can't counsel them strongly enough to get off of AOL as
soon as possible (and then prepare to have them charging your credit
card for months after you terminate your service).  I would offer the
same advice to you.

And again, please don't take this as a "flame."  I just hate to see
anyone being taken for a ride by AOL.  And I don't want misinformation
about them floating around.  AOL is NOT okay.  AOL's performance is NOT
acceptable.  And no one should be mislead to believe that it is.

Gregg DesElms
deselms@royal.net


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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 18:54:03 -0500
From: "Gary E. Klim" <garyklim@snet.net>
To: schrchll@INETWORLD.NET
CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Whazza wet Clutch?

Stephen A. Churchill wrote:
> I have heard talk of a wet clutch... What might be the difference between a "dry > clutch and a "wet clutch"?

Wet Clutch:
1) Usually (but not always) operates in an oil bath provided by the
engine oil or in some instances the gearbox oil or even it's own
separate oil compartment.
2) They are quieter than dry clutches
3) Some are sensitive to the type of oil used. (Some types can cause
slippage)

Dry Clutch:
1) Usually found on race bikes for ease of maintenance.
2) Are noisy
3) Are subject to contamination from the elements

gk
________________________________________________________________________
Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut    garyklim@snet.net

________________________________________________________________________


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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 18:57:32 -0500
From: "Gary E. Klim" <garyklim@snet.net>
To: PC-800 E-Mail Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: I Must Have Took A Wrong Turn...

...And ended up at the Alt.AOL Sucks Newsgroup. (Cue Rod Serling
monologue...)

gk 
________________________________________________________________________
Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut    garyklim@snet.net
________________________________________________________________________


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From: Rusty Jackson <rjackson@wrightstrat.com>
To: "'deselms@royal.net'" <deselms@royal.net>,
        "'BernieK469@aol.com'"
	 <BernieK469@aol.com>
Cc: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: Re: AOL Busy Signals
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 15:58:21 -0800

So Greg, how do you REALLY feel about AOL? :-)

Rusty

======================================
Russell C. Jackson - Software Engineer
rjackson@wrightstrat.com
--------------------------------------
Wright Strategies
2223 Avenida de la Playa
La Jolla, CA 92037
619-551-6808
======================================


-----Original Message-----

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From:	Gregg L. DesElms [SMTP:deselms@royal.net]
Sent:	Tuesday, February 11, 1997 5:46 PM
To:	BernieK469@aol.com
Cc:	pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject:	Re: Re: AOL Busy Signals


'Ya know, Bernie, I've been reading how much you and some others like
AOL on this list for several days now.  I don't mean to be a jerk or

<snip>


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From: Rusty Jackson <rjackson@wrightstrat.com>
To: "'Gary E. Klim'" <garyklim@snet.net>,
        "'schrchll@INETWORLD.NET'"
	 <schrchll@INETWORLD.NET>
Cc: "'PC-800 E-Mail Group'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: Whazza wet Clutch?
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 16:04:15 -0800

Is the PC sensitive to the type of oil used?  I noticed my clutch 
seemed to be slipping a little after I had the oil changed the last 
time.

Rusty

======================================
Russell C. Jackson - Software Engineer
rjackson@wrightstrat.com
--------------------------------------
Wright Strategies
2223 Avenida de la Playa
La Jolla, CA 92037
619-551-6808
======================================


-----Original Message-----

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From:	Gary E. Klim [SMTP:garyklim@snet.net]
Sent:	Tuesday, February 11, 1997 3:54 PM
To:	schrchll@INETWORLD.NET
Cc:	PC-800 E-Mail Group
Subject:	Re: Whazza wet Clutch?

Stephen A. Churchill wrote:
> I have heard talk of a wet clutch... What might be the difference 
between a "dry > clutch and a "wet clutch"?

Wet Clutch:
1) Usually (but not always) operates in an oil bath provided by the
engine oil or in some instances the gearbox oil or even it's own
separate oil compartment.
2) They are quieter than dry clutches
3) Some are sensitive to the type of oil used. (Some types can cause
slippage)

Dry Clutch:
1) Usually found on race bikes for ease of maintenance.
2) Are noisy
3) Are subject to contamination from the elements

gk
_______________________________________________________________________  
_
Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut    garyklim@snet.net

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 16:32:54 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Ordering Your New Rifle Windshields!

Hello to all you PC'ers!!

Well, I just got off the phone with Gary Gatel from Rifle, and he agreed
to 30% off across the board.  What that means is: 

You choose any size, any color, anything you want actually, and then
take 30% off the price that you see there on their web page
(http://www.rifle.com/pc800.htm).  You will call and give them your
order with your credit card number, etc. and they will send you your
windshield just like you were a full fare passenger (oops, I'm
digressing to airline talk!!) 

Please remember that you will have to pay for shipping, which he said
could be as much as $15 to the east coast, or as little as $8 for the
west coast.

There is one catch to all of this however, (you knew there had to be a
catch!!:));
We have to have 30 total orders before he will honor this deal.  If 30
of us will put our names on a list, then I will call Gary Gatel, tell
him he's got a deal, and then he will either give us a special order
number or we'll just say we are part of the PC800 group when we order. 
He did say that he would wait until he got all 30 orders, before he
would start sending them out, but I don't know if that is a firm
statement or not.  I think I should wait until we are at least close to
that number before I call!

So..........Ladies and Gentlement, the rest is up to you.  I will put my
name on the top of the list, as I'm ready to order a '90 (red) tall
rifle shield, now.  Remember, you are not telling ME what you want,
you'll just tell rifle.  Your just putting your name on this list saying
that you will call rifle in the next few days or so and buy a
windshield.

If you want to join in, please just copy this e-mail, add your name, and
send it back out.  I will then copy it and send it back out.  We'll just
keep doing that until we get the 30 or so names.

BTW, if you all would rather go with Cycle Design, that's O.K., too.  I
don't want anyone to think that I have a vested interest in this as
don't.  I just wanted to get a new Windshield!!! :)

See Ya'

Phil Lewis

P.S.-Below is what I calculated as a 30% discount, but please check the
math, I could be in error.


> >
> > All other states - $132.30 plus $8.00 (Shipping) = total $140.30. (Standard Shield-no extras)
> >
> > Californian's have to add 7.25% of $132.30=$9.59 (+ $132.30) = $141.89
> > plus $8.00 (Shipping) = $149.89.


Cycle purchase list>transmit number #1

Phil Lewis


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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 19:35:41 -0500
From: "Gary E. Klim" <garyklim@snet.net>
To: Rusty Jackson <rjackson@wrightstrat.com>
CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Whazza wet Clutch?

Rusty Jackson wrote:
> 
> Is the PC sensitive to the type of oil used? 

I've used Spectro 10w-40 in the last 6 bikes I've owned with no slippage
problems.

90 Hawk GT
84 650 Nighthawk
94 XT-350
94 CB-1000
94 CBR-600
96 PC-800

gk
________________________________________________________________________
Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut    garyklim@snet.net
________________________________________________________________________


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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 16:42:28 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: Rusty Jackson <rjackson@wrightstrat.com>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Whazza wet Clutch?

Rusty Jackson wrote:
> 
> Is the PC sensitive to the type of oil used?  I noticed my clutch
> seemed to be slipping a little after I had the oil changed the last
> time.
> 
> Rusty

My clutch was also slipping and my '90 PC had less than 7000 miles on
it.  I read in the manual that air in the lines could cause this, so
when I had my new tires put on, I had them change the clutch fluid and
bleed the line.  (The mechanic also said that my fluid had turned brown
and really needed to be changed!)  

The clutch hasn't slipped since!!

Phil


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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 19:55:23 -0500
From: "Gary E. Klim" <garyklim@snet.net>
To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net
CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Whazza wet Clutch?

Phil Lewis wrote:
> ...I had them change the clutch fluid and bleed the line.

This is an easy do-it-yourself kind of job. 

1) Adjust bars so reservoir is level
2) Remove reservoir cover
3) Remove whatever plastic is required to get at slave cylinder
4) Attach hose to slave bleeder valve and put other end in
can/bottle/etc
5) Squeeze clutch lever and hold
6) Open bleed valve (Clutch springs will push piston and begin to purge
fluid)
7) Close bleed valve
8) Pump clutch lever a few times and hold
9) Repeat steps 6,7 and 8 until fluid is purged. (Remember to always
check reservoir level and refill as needed)

gk
________________________________________________________________________
Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut    garyklim@snet.net
________________________________________________________________________


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From: "Abbey Perez" <aperez@pecorp.com>
To: <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>, "Rusty Jackson" <rjackson@wrightstrat.com>
Cc: <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Whazza wet Clutch?
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 19:07:58 -0600

All brake fluids type 3 and 4 should be changed annually prior to your
riding season.  The reason for that is because this fluids absorb humidity
from the air.  When this happens, the fluid start changing color form a
clear color to a brownish black color.

Abbey(37 years riding iron horses)


----------
> From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
> To: Rusty Jackson <rjackson@wrightstrat.com>
> Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
> Subject: Re: Whazza wet Clutch?
> Date: Tuesday, February 11, 1997 6:42 PM
> 
> Rusty Jackson wrote:
> > 
> > Is the PC sensitive to the type of oil used?  I noticed my clutch
> > seemed to be slipping a little after I had the oil changed the last
> > time.
> > 
> > Rusty
> 
> My clutch was also slipping and my '90 PC had less than 7000 miles on
> it.  I read in the manual that air in the lines could cause this, so
> when I had my new tires put on, I had them change the clutch fluid and
> bleed the line.  (The mechanic also said that my fluid had turned brown
> and really needed to be changed!)  
> 
> The clutch hasn't slipped since!!
> 
> Phil
> --
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From: "Abbey Perez" <aperez@pecorp.com>
To: "Rusty Jackson" <rjackson@wrightstrat.com>,
        "'Gary E. Klim'" <garyklim@snet.net>,
        "'schrchll@INETWORLD.NET'" <schrchll@INETWORLD.NET>
Cc: "'PC-800 E-Mail Group'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Whazza wet Clutch?
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 19:04:31 -0600

If  you talk to the Honda mechanics, they say the motorcylce oil has
special additives to increase the lubricity for the purpose of lubricating
the clutch.  Regular automotive oil does not have this additives; therfore,
they break down faster with the friction provided by the clutch.

Abbey( 37 years riding iron horses)

----------
> From: Rusty Jackson <rjackson@wrightstrat.com>
> To: 'Gary E. Klim' <garyklim@snet.net>; 'schrchll@INETWORLD.NET'
> Cc: 'PC-800 E-Mail Group' <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
> Subject: RE: Whazza wet Clutch?
> Date: Tuesday, February 11, 1997 6:04 PM
> 
> Is the PC sensitive to the type of oil used?  I noticed my clutch 
> seemed to be slipping a little after I had the oil changed the last 
> time.
> 
> Rusty
> 
> ======================================
> Russell C. Jackson - Software Engineer
> rjackson@wrightstrat.com
> --------------------------------------
> Wright Strategies
> 2223 Avenida de la Playa
> La Jolla, CA 92037
> 619-551-6808
> ======================================
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Gary E. Klim [SMTP:garyklim@snet.net]
> Sent:	Tuesday, February 11, 1997 3:54 PM
> To:	schrchll@INETWORLD.NET
> Cc:	PC-800 E-Mail Group
> Subject:	Re: Whazza wet Clutch?
> 
> Stephen A. Churchill wrote:
> > I have heard talk of a wet clutch... What might be the difference 
> between a "dry > clutch and a "wet clutch"?
> 
> Wet Clutch:
> 1) Usually (but not always) operates in an oil bath provided by the
> engine oil or in some instances the gearbox oil or even it's own
> separate oil compartment.
> 2) They are quieter than dry clutches
> 3) Some are sensitive to the type of oil used. (Some types can cause
> slippage)
> 
> Dry Clutch:
> 1) Usually found on race bikes for ease of maintenance.
> 2) Are noisy
> 3) Are subject to contamination from the elements
> 
> gk
> _______________________________________________________________________  
> _
> Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut    garyklim@snet.net
> 
> _______________________________________________________________________  
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From: "Abbey Perez" <aperez@pecorp.com>
To: "Gary E. Klim" <garyklim@snet.net>, <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
Cc: "PC-800 E-Mail Group" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Whazza wet Clutch?
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 19:23:12 -0600

Go out of your way to cover you cycles plastics with rags and towels.  If
you happen to spill this fluid on your plastic, it will discolor it and
attack the luster.  Another thing, syphon all the old fluid from the
reservoir so you do not have to pump the handle so much.  If you do not
have a syphon, place kitchen paper towels inside the reservoir and absorb
it out.  

For those who could effort spending $25.00 dollars, go and buy a hand-held
vacuum pump from Wal-Mart.  Place the host at the end of the bleeder valve,
open the bleeder and hand pump your vacuum pump.  The nice thing about this
is that you do not have to keep squeezing the handle and reduce the life of
the rubber O ring seals.

Abbey(37 years riding iron horses)

----------
> From: Gary E. Klim <garyklim@snet.net>
> To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net
> Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
> Subject: Re: Whazza wet Clutch?
> Date: Tuesday, February 11, 1997 6:55 PM
> 
> Phil Lewis wrote:
> > ...I had them change the clutch fluid and bleed the line.
> 
> This is an easy do-it-yourself kind of job. 
> 
> 1) Adjust bars so reservoir is level
> 2) Remove reservoir cover
> 3) Remove whatever plastic is required to get at slave cylinder
> 4) Attach hose to slave bleeder valve and put other end in
> can/bottle/etc
> 5) Squeeze clutch lever and hold
> 6) Open bleed valve (Clutch springs will push piston and begin to purge
> fluid)
> 7) Close bleed valve
> 8) Pump clutch lever a few times and hold
> 9) Repeat steps 6,7 and 8 until fluid is purged. (Remember to always
> check reservoir level and refill as needed)
> 
> gk
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut    garyklim@snet.net
> ________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:33:45 -0500
From: "Gary E. Klim" <garyklim@snet.net>
To: Abbey Perez <aperez@pecorp.com>
CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Whazza wet Clutch?

Abbey Perez wrote:
> For those who could effort spending $25.00 dollars, go and buy a hand-held
> vacuum pump from Wal-Mart.

This will purge most of the fluid, but will leave some of the
contaminated fluid in the area of the slave piston. This is where the
manual method comes in handy to purge the last of the tainted fluid. I
use a vacuum bleeder to move the bulk of the fluid and then finish the
job with manual bleeding. 

Good point about protecting the bodywork from fluid spills. (Unless you
like that "tie-dye" look) Oops, showing my age again...

gk
________________________________________________________________________
Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut    garyklim@snet.net
________________________________________________________________________


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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:40:34 -0500
From: Doug Powell <dpowell@surfsouth.com>
To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Ordering Your New Rifle Windshields!

Phil Lewis wrote:
> 
> Hello to all you PC'ers!!
> 
> Well, I just got off the phone with Gary Gatel from Rifle, and he agreed
> to 30% off across the board.  What that means is:
> 
> You choose any size, any color, anything you want actually, and then
> take 30% off the price that you see there on their web page
> (http://www.rifle.com/pc800.htm).  You will call and give them your
> order with your credit card number, etc. and they will send you your
> windshield just like you were a full fare passenger (oops, I'm
> digressing to airline talk!!)
> 
> Please remember that you will have to pay for shipping, which he said
> could be as much as $15 to the east coast, or as little as $8 for the
> west coast.
> 
> There is one catch to all of this however, (you knew there had to be a
> catch!!:));
> We have to have 30 total orders before he will honor this deal.  If 30
> of us will put our names on a list, then I will call Gary Gatel, tell
> him he's got a deal, and then he will either give us a special order
> number or we'll just say we are part of the PC800 group when we order.
> He did say that he would wait until he got all 30 orders, before he
> would start sending them out, but I don't know if that is a firm
> statement or not.  I think I should wait until we are at least close to
> that number before I call!
> 
> So..........Ladies and Gentlement, the rest is up to you.  I will put my
> name on the top of the list, as I'm ready to order a '90 (red) tall
> rifle shield, now.  Remember, you are not telling ME what you want,
> you'll just tell rifle.  Your just putting your name on this list saying
> that you will call rifle in the next few days or so and buy a
> windshield.
> 
> If you want to join in, please just copy this e-mail, add your name, and
> send it back out.  I will then copy it and send it back out.  We'll just
> keep doing that until we get the 30 or so names.
> 
> BTW, if you all would rather go with Cycle Design, that's O.K., too.  I
> don't want anyone to think that I have a vested interest in this as
> don't.  I just wanted to get a new Windshield!!! :)
> 
> See Ya'
> 
> Phil Lewis
> 
> P.S.-Below is what I calculated as a 30% discount, but please check the
> math, I could be in error.
> 
> > >
> > > All other states - $132.30 plus $8.00 (Shipping) = total $140.30. (Standard Shield-no extras)
> > >
> > > Californian's have to add 7.25% of $132.30=$9.59 (+ $132.30) = $141.89
> > > plus $8.00 (Shipping) = $149.89.
> 
> Cycle purchase list>transmit number #1
> 
> Phil Lewis2.Doug Powell
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From: "Estes, Cory S" <EstesCS@88ABW.WPAFB.AF.MIL>
To: "'PILEWIS1@concentric.net'" <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>,
        "'Doug Powell'"
	 <dpowell@surfsouth.com>
Cc: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: Ordering Your New Rifle Windshields!
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 21:36:02 -0500

> 
>Windshield purchase list:
> 
>1.  Phil Lewis
>2.  Doug Powell
>3.  Cory Estes
>


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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 18:54:28 -0800
From: "Stephen A. Churchill" <schrchll@INETWORLD.NET>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Re: AOL Busy Signals

Gregg L. DesElms wrote:
> And again, please don't take this as a "flame."  I just hate to see
> anyone being taken for a ride by AOL.  And I don't want misinformation
> about them floating around.  AOL is NOT okay.  AOL's performance is NOT
> acceptable.  And no one should be mislead to believe that it is.
>
Well....this certainly did not turn out how I had planned.  Here I was
trying to explain my abscence from the group because of a change of ISP
with a discreet but concerted effort to remain neutral about named
parties so as not to set off a cotton-pickin', irrelevant, @#%*&+%$#,
FLAME WAR ABOUT A SUBJECT THAT HAS NOT SQUAT TO DO WITH PC800'S! 
    But let us stay calm. ;) Please gentlemen, further communications on
this subject should be relegated to the "Flame AOL" news groups.  I
believe they were mentioned in a previous communique.  Subject ended.
Thank you for your cooperation.
SAC


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From: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: RE: Ordering Your New Rifle Windshields!
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 97 10:59:55 WST

 
> 
>Windshield purchase list:
> 
>1.  Phil Lewis
>2.  Doug Powell
>3.  Cory Estes
>4.  Philips Wong


-- 
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Philips Wong,                    '84 HONDA GL1200A     <-- Classic!     *
  *      VR2XVI <-- HAM                    Gold Wing Aspencade               *
  *      PCA420 <-- Royal Hong Kong   '90 HONDA PC800  red  <-- Little Wing  *
  *                  Aux. Police           Yeh, Wing front look and spoiler  *
  *      101177 <-- the only GWRRA    '95 HONDA GL1500SE    <-- Chrome!      *
  *                  member in HK          The flooded bike                  *
  *                                                                          *
  *  Police Training School taught :   HONDA   CBX750       <-- Police       *
  *  " I have the honour to be, Sir,   YAMAHA  Diversion 600<--    work      *
  *       your obedient servant!"      HONDA   CBX250       <--       bike   *
  *                                                                          *
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Will work for gas & chrome.  I have two Wings, and a baby Wing at home. *
  ****************************************************************************


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From: "Estes, Cory S" <EstesCS@88ABW.WPAFB.AF.MIL>
To: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Flame Wars?
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 22:09:31 -0500

PLEASE, not again!  

Next thing you know we'll be getting as bad as the HSTA List!

Cory S. Estes*

'89 Honda Pacific Coast (Millennium Turtle) *Motorcycle Adventurist
'90 Honda GB-500                                   *Observer of Humanity
'97 Chevy S-10 Pick Up                           *Lover of Life


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Subject: RE: Ordering Your New Rifle Windshields!
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 19:14:48 -0800 (PST)
From: redwolf@tailwind.com (Mike Bavister)

>Windshield purchase list:
> 
>1.  Phil Lewis
>2.  Doug Powell
>3.  Cory Estes
 4.  Mike Bavister


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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 11:28:35 +0800
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Larry Campbell <campbell@asiatech.net>
Subject: RE: Ordering Your New Rifle Windshields!

At 10:59 AM 2/12/97 WST, VR2XVI wrote:
 
 
Windshield purchase list:
 
1.  Phil Lewis
2.  Doug Powell
3.  Cory Estes
4.  Philips Wong
5.  Larry Campbell

>
>
>-- 
>
****************************************************************************
>  *  Philips Wong,                    '84 HONDA GL1200A     <-- Classic!
  *
>  *      VR2XVI <-- HAM                    Gold Wing Aspencade
  *
>  *      PCA420 <-- Royal Hong Kong   '90 HONDA PC800  red  <-- Little
Wing  *
>  *                  Aux. Police           Yeh, Wing front look and
spoiler  *
>  *      101177 <-- the only GWRRA    '95 HONDA GL1500SE    <-- Chrome!
  *
>  *                  member in HK          The flooded bike
  *
>  *
  *
>  *  Police Training School taught :   HONDA   CBX750       <-- Police
  *
>  *  " I have the honour to be, Sir,   YAMAHA  Diversion 600<--    work
  *
>  *       your obedient servant!"      HONDA   CBX250       <--       bike
  *
>  *
  *
>
****************************************************************************
>  *  Will work for gas & chrome.  I have two Wings, and a baby Wing at
home. *
>
****************************************************************************
>
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 21:57:13 +0000
From: Gary Wilson <gcw0766@88net.net>
To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net, pacific coast list <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Ordering Your New Rifle Windshields!

re:rifle vs cycle design

cycle design is offering substantially the same thing except you dont' 
need 30 people.  a minimum of 4 only.  so it looks good.  i think if you are 
buying 30 shields, that a higher discount is in order.  but then i'm just an 
ignorant sob.  plus rifle, though i haven't talked to them, seems to have a 
chip on their shoulder.  i wish there were more competition in this arena.  
gary.


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From: BernieK469@aol.com
	  by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id XAA00345;
	  Tue, 11 Feb 1997 23:21:04 -0500 (EST)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 23:21:04 -0500 (EST)
To: aperez@pecorp.com, owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu, rjackson@wrightstrat.com,
        garyklim@snet.net, schrchll@inetworld.net
cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Whazza wet Clutch?

Don't believe everything you hear from a Honda Mechanic, he may have a vested
interest in having you change your oil at the dealership.  	I have been using
"Moble One" in my bikes for as long as it has been available.


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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:29:36 -0800
From: Dave Gross <dkgross@halcyon.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: rifle sheilds

WHAAA...

gosh..and to think I was one of the pioneering few who took the Rifle
challenge. (I think Bryce was first).... 

so.....with all the $$$ you guys are saving, I don't suppose a refund to
us other list memebers who already paid FULL price....  

                                                      ]]] ; >P ~~~


enjoy your shields..they're wonderful...and someone please post a PHOTO
of the color matched bases.


BTW...anyone check out the groovy merchandise stuff the Netherlands gang
has??
-- 

Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, AKC
http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross


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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 22:05:14 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Rifle Windshields-Final Purchase List!

Cycle purchase list>transmit number #3---2/11/97.

If you please, I only want to put you on this list if you DEFINITELY are
going to order a windshield if we have the 30 or so people.

If we don't get the 30, we can still order at Cycle Designs, or you
might want to order from them anyway.


Anyway, please check the list to see if your name should be there.

Thanks,

Phil
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Cycle purchase list> transmit number #3---2/11/97.


  1. Phil Lewis
  2. Alexander Gray
  3. Jeff Leech
  4. Doug Powell
  5. Mike Harness
  6. Cliff Alexander
  7. Dave Lott
  8. Cory Estes
  9. Mike Bavister
 10. Larry Campbell
 11. Philips Wong
 12. Steve Weinerman
 13.


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From: cscales@haywire.csuhayward.edu
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 00:02:10 -0800
To: BernieK469@aol.com
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Whazza wet Clutch?

So, no problems at all with the mobil 1???

I was thinking about trying it...any thoughts?

chris scales


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From: cscales@haywire.csuhayward.edu
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 00:11:12 -0800
To: gcw0766@88net.net
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: cycle design???

Now, I am confused....
you guy are saying that if we get 30 people to buy, that we can get 30%
off on the prices directly from rifle...if we have less than 30, we only
get 20%??  is that right...

the other story is Cycle Design...if we order 4 through them (the same
rifle shields) then we get the 30%...am I missing something....
shouldn't we approach the deal from the cycle design perspective and
possibly go for 40% if we have 30????

could someone clarify....

Sounds like a lot of shields to me...the more that rifle makes...the
lower their costs will be...

thoughts?


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From: cscales@haywire.csuhayward.edu
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 00:26:06 -0800
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: cycle design???

oh yeah, and where is this cycle design place and how do we get in touch
with them??

chris


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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 06:01:55 -0500
From: "Gary E. Klim" <garyklim@snet.net>
To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net
CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Rifle Windshields-Final Purchase List!

Phil Lewis wrote:
 
> If you please, I only want to put you on this list if you DEFINITELY are
> going to order a windshield if we have the 30 or so people.

> Cycle purchase list> transmit number #3---2/11/97.
> 
>   1. Phil Lewis
>   2. Alexander Gray
>   3. Jeff Leech
>   4. Doug Powell
>   5. Mike Harness
>   6. Cliff Alexander
>   7. Dave Lott
>   8. Cory Estes
>   9. Mike Bavister
>  10. Larry Campbell
>  11. Philips Wong
>  12. Steve Weinerman
>  13. Gary Klim

________________________________________________________________________
Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut    garyklim@snet.net
________________________________________________________________________


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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 08:38:23 +0000
From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS)
Subject: Re: Whazza wet Clutch?
To: schrchll@INETWORLD.NET (Stephen A. Churchill), pc800@hpc.uh.edu

Dry clutch, not sunk in the engine oil.

Wet clutch, IN the engine oil. Now you know why it is REALLY important to 
change your oil.


Ducati's, Harley's, BMW's and some others have dry clutches.  Most Japanese 
bike have wet.  Dry clutches are not neccesarily exposed to the elements.  
Have you ever seen a Harley or BMW clutch?  I didn't think so.  Surprisingly, 
dry clutches are known to generally last longer than wet.  BMW in particular 
have VERY long clutch lives.  If that has more to do with their quality, I 
don't know. Also, service on a Dry clutch can be easier.

Chris Klass
95 PC 800


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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 06:20:49 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: "Gary E. Klim" <garyklim@snet.net>
CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Rifle Windshields-Final Purchase List!

Gary E. Klim wrote:
> 
> Phil Lewis wrote:
> 
> > If you please, I only want to put you on this list if you DEFINITELY are
> > going to order a windshield if we have the 30 or so people.
> 
> > Cycle purchase list> transmit number #4---2/12/97.
> >
> >   1. Phil Lewis
> >   2. Alexander Gray
> >   3. Jeff Leech
> >   4. Doug Powell
> >   5. Mike Harness
> >   6. Cliff Alexander
> >   7. Dave Lott
> >   8. Cory Estes
> >   9. Mike Bavister
> >  10. Larry Campbell
> >  11. Philips Wong
> >  12. Steve Weinerman
> >  13. Gary Klim
     14.


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From: Smcavin@aol.com
	  by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id JAA11291;
	  Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:40:32 -0500 (EST)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:40:32 -0500 (EST)
To: deselms@royal.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Re: AOL Busy Signals

In a message dated 97-02-11 18:47:46 EST, you write:

<< someone decided to "pick" on AOL that the
 attorneys-general from several states got together to sue their asses >>

Let's not confuse politics with policy.

Nice disertsation, why not stick it where it belongs.......somewhere else.

Bart


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From: BernieK469@aol.com
	  by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id JAA01973;
	  Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:50:21 -0500 (EST)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:50:21 -0500 (EST)
To: cscales@haywire.csuhayward.edu
cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Mobil One

I have used Mobil One through a series of bikes.  I usually use regular 
oil for the first 5,000 miles, and than switch to 1/2 synthetic, 1/2 
regular from 4,000 miles to 10,000 miles.  After 10,000 miles I go to 
straight  Mobil One.  This procedure permits the bike to have a break in 
period.  I now have 22,000 miles on my PC without any problems.  I change 
oil every 3,000 miles with the exception of a first oil change at 1,000 
miles.  I also change the rear end fluid at 1,000 miles.   There are a 
number of endorsements of  Mobil One in the archives, along with a long 
discussion of different oil types.

Bernie


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From: Smcavin@aol.com
	  by emout03.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id JAA26292 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:52:04 -0500 (EST)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:52:04 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Whazza wet Clutch?

Another, more technical means of performing this task.

1) Call Honda dealership, make appointment

2) Have wife follow you to dealership, you of course are on the bike

3) Drop off bike

4) Have wife bring you back to dealership when work is completed

5) Show the man the money


Bart 


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From: Smcavin@aol.com
	  by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id JAA10374 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:59:59 -0500 (EST)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:59:59 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Rifle Windsields - note of caution

Pursuant to the subject:

I purchased a Rifle windshield in October (96) and returned it as I felt that
it actually increased the wind blast in my face. (I purchased the shorter one
and later tried a friend's taller shield and the blast went away)

Anyway, I returned the shield about 2 weeks after receiving it. I did not
receive a full refund - they kept 20 or 25% (restocking fee), and it took 90
days to get the refund. 

I wouldn't hesitate to do business with them but just a word of caution.

Bart


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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 07:12:30 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: cscales@haywire.csuhayward.edu
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: cycle design???

cscales@haywire.csuhayward.edu wrote:
> 
> Now, I am confused....
> you guy are saying that if we get 30 people to buy, that we can get 30%
> off on the prices directly from rifle...if we have less than 30, we only
> get 20%??  is that right...
> 
> the other story is Cycle Design...if we order 4 through them (the same
> rifle shields) then we get the 30%...am I missing something....
> shouldn't we approach the deal from the cycle design perspective and
> possibly go for 40% if we have 30????
> 
> could someone clarify....

Hi Chris,

I guess some of you might have missed the whole exchange, so this is
what happened.  

I had an idea to call Rifle and see what they would do on a big order. 
They initially came back and said a 20% discount on 5 or more orders at
one time.  After I did that, Gary Wilson got in touch with Cycle Designs
(I didn't get their phone number, yet) and they said that they would
sell us a new rifle for $148 including shipping.  That works out to be
around 26% off (including $8 for shipping) and they apparently, only
want a minimum of 4 orders.  If the factory charges a little more for
shipping, you can see that it's almost a wash.

> Pricing: 
> 
> Pacific Coast'Windshield System (Complete with
> 
> black textured base and 20" clear windshield)
> 
> Height totals approx. 25" after installation.................$189
> 
> 
> 
> OPTIONS:
> 
> 
> 
> 22" or 24" clear windshield - add..............................NC
> 
> 20", 22" or 24" tint windshield - add..........................10
> 
> Colormatch: Provide year and color code - add..................40
> 
> Custom windshield height - add.................................15


Since I had already talked with Gary Gatel at Rifle, I felt obligated to
carry it through to it's conclusion.  Yesterday, Feb. 11th, Gary Gatel
at Rifle, said that he would give us a 30% discount, on whatever we
order, if there are 30 orders at the same time.  With the Rifle order,
however, you must pay an additional fee of between 8$ and $15 for
shipping (CA. residents must pay 7.25% sales tax).  It sounds like this
must be close to a dealer price, and is as low a price as they will
offer.  I'm hoping that they will honor this price even if we have
somewhat less than 30 orders, but we'll see how many people want to do
this.  

As I said before, I just started this as a spur of the moment thing, and
I want to get a new Rifle Windshield.  I was just hoping to get a good
deal for everybody, and I really don't care if we order factory direct
or through Cycle Designs.  

But, as it seems there are a lot of people interested, I'll keep this
going until we have a enough people to order, or until you all want me
to stop.

So, Chris, that's the story!!  You may add yourself to the other e-mail
list if you wish.

Phil


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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 23:37:15 +0800
From: Poh Yu Seung <pohys@singnet.com.sg>
To: PC800 list <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Performance Curves?

Hi everyone,

I can attest to the good quality of the Mobil One oil in our PC's but
would like to caution against a silly thing I did.  I put in too much. 
Aprrox 150c.c. too much and the darn gear box behaved like it was seized
together.  Siphoned out the excess and now it shifts fine.

I'd like to know if there is anywhere I can find the performance curve
for our PC (a graph whichs shows power output vs rpms).  

Or perhaps just the max torque and horsepower values at the
corresponding rpms would be fine.

I bought a PC knowing full well it isn't a muscle bike but just to know
the figures would be interesting......

Thanks in advance.  Yu Seung from Singapore


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From: "Todd Zedak" <tzedak@hudsoncnsl.win.net>
To: <BernieK469@aol.com>, <cscales@haywire.csuhayward.edu>
Cc: <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Re: Mobil One
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:26:40 -0600

Hi Bernie,

I have never heard that it is an acceptable procedure to mix oil BRANDS
much less TYPES of oil. I understand the thinking behind NOT using a
hyper-lubricant like Mobil 1 right out of the gate. But me thinks that
mixing oil TYPES (synthetic and natural) might cause trouble. Thoughts from
the more informed....

Z

----------
> From: BernieK469@aol.com
> To: cscales@haywire.csuhayward.edu
> Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
> Subject: Re: Mobil One
> Date: Wednesday, February 12, 1997 8:50 AM
> 
> I have used Mobil One through a series of bikes.  I usually use regular 
> oil for the first 5,000 miles, and than switch to 1/2 synthetic, 1/2 
> regular from 4,000 miles to 10,000 miles.  After 10,000 miles I go to 
> straight  Mobil One.  This procedure permits the bike to have a break in 


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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 07:54:04 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Windshield-final order.

I apologize, but the reason I'm having you put your name back on this
list is to confirm that you are buying now.  I had some "maybes" before
and I don't know who they were exactly.

Please just copy, add your name, and send back to me, and I'll keep it
going.  

Thanks,

Phil


> > If you please, I only want to put you on this list if you DEFINITELY are
> > going to order a windshield if we have the 30 or so people.
> 
> > Cycle purchase list> transmit number #5---2/12/97 @7:45 pst.
> >
> >   1. Phil Lewis
> >   2. Alexander Gray
> >   3. Jeff Leech
> >   4. Doug Powell
> >   5. Mike Harness
> >   6. Cliff Alexander
> >   7. Dave Lott
> >   8. Cory Estes
> >   9. Mike Bavister
> >  10. Larry Campbell
> >  11. Philips Wong
> >  12. Steve Weinerman
> >  13. Gary Klim
     14.


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From: "Estes, Cory S" <EstesCS@88ABW.WPAFB.AF.MIL>
To: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: AOL Busy Signals
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 11:17:57 -0500

Like I said before, enough already!

>----------
>From: 	Smcavin@aol.com[SMTP:Smcavin@aol.com]
>Sent: 	Wednesday, February 12, 1997 9:40 AM
>To: 	deselms@royal.net; pc800@hpc.uh.edu
>Subject: 	Re: Re: AOL Busy Signals
>
>In a message dated 97-02-11 18:47:46 EST, you write:
>
><< someone decided to "pick" on AOL that the
> attorneys-general from several states got together to sue their asses >>
>
>Let's not confuse politics with policy.
>
>Nice disertsation, why not stick it where it belongs.......somewhere else.
>
>Bart
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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 11:08:46 +0000
From: Gary Wilson <gcw0766@88net.net>
To: pacific coast list <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Rifle Windshields-Final Purchase List!

thanks, but i'll get mine from cycle design.  they've been nice to me and 
they have a parrot squawking in a cage.  gary wilson.


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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 11:14:23 +0000
From: Gary Wilson <gcw0766@88net.net>
To: cscales@haywire.csuhayward.edu, pacific coast list <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: cycle design???

ok, here it is again, the cycle design deal:
you can order a 25 or 27 or 29 inch shield from them for 140.00.  add 8.00 
for shipping.  i'm certain colors are extra.  doug at cycle will ship to you 
direct.  he'll take a check or credit card.  i suppose if he gets 4 people he 
can get that discount.  so the first four then the next four etc.  reference 
me or our pc group and he can account for the tally.  doug's number is 508 
249-2244.  they have an 800 # also 800 343-1374 (i think).  if you can't 
get doug, leave a message; he calls back.
any other questions talk to doug.


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From: "Vince Santamaria" <vsantam@eccrs.edison.cc.fl.us>
To: <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Return of the Rough Rider
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 13:00:21 -0500

Hello PC800er's,
I have just returned from my trip to the Panama Canal via Mexico,
Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, and Panama. About
4300 miles of mountains, potholes, and gravel roads were rode by the twelve
riders. We had two Harley's, three Goldwings, four BMW's, one Kawaisaki 650
dual sport, one 1994 PC , and my lowly 1982 Honda Silverwing 500. Guess
which bikes gave the trouble? The BMW's had all the problems. The 1993
Paris/Decar GS100 lost a diode board and alternator, one of the GS80 had
valve problems and alternator problems along with losing a saddle bag
bracket and rear shock, the K 1000 destroyed a wiring harness, saddle bag
bracket, saddle bag hinges, and top box bracket. 

The trip was a one way down and fly the bikes back put on by Pancho Villa
Moto Tours. I decided to take a disposal bike(my $300 Silver Wing) and try
and sell it in Panama to avoid the expense and hassel of bringing it back.
All agreed that I was the smartest one when we hit Panama. All the others
where looking at days wasted in Panama and Dallas( the return site) while I
sold my bike and flew home.

The one PC was driven by a 73 year old that should not have been on the
trip. At the start of the trip his bike was in perfect shape. After he had
crashed four times by about half way thru the trip his poor PC was a
disaster. The mirrors had been knocked off twice and epoxied back on . Just
about every panel of plastic was chipped, scratched or broken.  His body
was badly bruised. We finally loaded his bike on the chase vehicle and he
rode in the van the rest of the way. He gave the PC a bad rep and the other
riders were bad mouthing it as a evil handling bitch. We all know that is
incorrect but alas I could not convince them otherwise. I wish I had my PC
along to show them otherwise.

One of the Goldwings (also driven by a 73 year old ) went down hard over a
cliff but luckily stopped against a tree. It could still be falling. I
suffered much plastic damage and also a broken windshield.

I lost my battery and had to replace it in Guatamala. No big deal. 

The best part of the trip were the people that we met along the way. They
might be poorer than we are but I'm not so sure that we are better off.
Everyone was very nice and helpful.

I like to do aerobics for exercise and was able to find classes in almost
every country and almost every night. Following in Spanish can be tricky
however.

Great trip. Next year the trip is to Tierra Del Fuego. I think I will take
my Transalp.
          
Vince Santamaria
 (941) 433 8043
System Programmer (IBM MAINFRAME BIGOT)
Edison Community College      
8099 College Parkway SW
P.O.Box 602210
Fort Myers FL 33906-6210
FAX:(941)489-9399 


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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 11:13:39 -0700 (MST)
From: Eric York <eryork@NMSU.Edu>
To: CHRISTOPHER M KLASS <cklass@attmail.com>
cc: "Stephen A. Churchill" <schrchll@INETWORLD.NET>, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Whazza wet Clutch?

On Wed, 12 Feb 1997, CHRISTOPHER M KLASS wrote:

> Dry clutch, not sunk in the engine oil.
> 
> Wet clutch, IN the engine oil. 

Well, in oil anyway. Modern Harley big twins (Evos, since '84) use THREE
oils. One for engine, one for clutch, one for tranny. Whee. Sportsters
combine  clutch/tranny.

> Ducati's, Harley's, BMW's and some others have dry clutches.  

See above. There were a few shovelhead years (late '70s, early 80's?) when
HD was experimenting with belt primary drives. (Unsuccessfully ;)  Those
bikes do have dry clutches. Very few others do. Many custom builders do
use dry clutches, especially those who like that open primary
look/"performance".
 
> Have you ever seen a Harley or BMW clutch?  I didn't think so. 

Yes. 

This ain't PC, but at least it ain't AOL. Flame at will. ;)

Eric York


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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 10:22:15 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Windshield-final order.

>> > If you please, I only want to put you on this list if you DEFINITELY are
>> > going to order a windshield if we have the 30 or so people.
>>
>> > Cycle purchase list> transmit number #6---2/12/97 @ 10:15 pst.
>> >
>> >   1. Phil Lewis
>> >   2. Alexander Gray
>> >   3. Jeff Leech
>> >   4. Doug Powell
>> >   5. Mike Harness
>> >   6. Cliff Alexander
>> >   7. Dave Lott
>> >   8. Cory Estes
>> >   9. Mike Bavister
>> >  10. Larry Campbell
>> >  11. Philips Wong
>> >  12. Steve Weinerman
>> >  13. Gary Klim
>     14. Keith Sproul
      15.


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From: cscales@haywire.csuhayward.edu
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 10:40:01 -0800
To: Vince Santamaria <vsantam@eccrs.edison.cc.fl.us>
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Return of the Rough Rider

Sounds like it was a great trip!!

cs


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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 11:11:43 -0800
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: John LaFreniere <johnl@general.net>
Subject: PC 800 insurance

I'd like to share some info on Bike Insurance.  I was insured with Farmers
for my home, car, and 2 bikes.  In fairness to them, I have to say that when
the earthquake came and wiped out all of my possessions, Farmers did a great
job of advancing us $$$, paying for our hotel until our home was ready to
move into, and adjusting all of the damage fairly and quickly.  

When I bought my PC800 on a weekend, the dealer wouldn't let me take it
'cause I couldn't prove I had coverage.  Since I wanted to ride right away,
he suggested I call an insurer he had done business with in the past.  When
I called, I was amazed that they were almost 1/3 the cost of Farmers  with
better coverage.

Here are the details from my policy:

Markel Insurance (M.C. only)
1-800-236-2453

'89 PC800 (35 Y.O./Male)
1 year policy
Los Angeles Area
Includes add'l accs (radio, helmet, etc)
Bodily Injury 50/100k           $34
Property Damage 25k             $23
Passenger Liability 50/100      $39
Collision (250 deductable)      $62
Comprehensive (250 ded)         $62
                             --------
                               $220

I've never made a claim   :->    so I can't discuss their claims service,
but they always seem knowledgeable, helpful and friendly anytime I've called.

I hope others can benefit from this info.

John
John LaFreniere
http://john.csun.edu


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From: Smcavin@aol.com
	  by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id OAA13567;
	  Wed, 12 Feb 1997 14:31:39 -0500 (EST)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 14:31:39 -0500 (EST)
To: gcw0766@88net.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Re: cycle design???

FYI
Is the Cycle Design shield manufactured by Cycle Design or are they selling
Rifle brand shields? If so, keep in mind that the Rifle shield is a 2 piece
system - consisting of a base and a shield. The Hondaline accessory shield is
a 1 piece shield.

Bart


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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 13:46:03 -0600
From: Michael Brown <peafire@kdsi.net>
To: pc800 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: New Subscriber

Name:     Michael Brown
Location: Pella, Iowa
Email:    peafire@kdsi.net
Model:    1990  (The Candy RED one)
Bought:   Used

Since riding is difficult and PMS has set in, a story will have to
suffice:

On February 25, 1995 a 1990 PC800 was obtained for $4,500 with 3.6K
miles.  The original owner had purchased the PC new March 12, 1993 for
$5,400.  Had tried to purchase a PC800 while in the Phoenix area, but
those experiences are another story.  On the way back home to Iowa had
to stop  in the Kansas City area for petrol, and picked up a local
"trader" pamphlet.  Called the number listed after I got home to arrange
a meeting.  Drove down and picked up the very clean PC at the Fire
Station where the individual worked.  Drove all of two blocks to a stop
light for access to the interstate where too much front brake, a slick
white stoppie strip and sand (yes it snows here) combined for a get
off.  The cycle slid approximately 50 feet. j Sounded alot like someone
furiously sandpapering a shop project.  GREAT - just picked up an almost
new PC800 and then wfeck it within 1,500 feet.  Aaaauuugh!  I slid about
fifteen feet.  Fortunately thick leathers prevented physical injuries. 
The individuals in the support vehicle which were following panicked. 
They sped down to a convience store ahead and ram back to check on the
dufus in the middle of the interstate intersection trying to start a
motorcycle!  Had sold my previous ride on Labor Day, so had been a while
since any riding had been done.  Some excuse - "right".  (More line the
escitement of finally obtaining the cycle of my dreams turned off all
other sensory receptors.)  After righting the cycle and discovering that
the kill switch had been engaged the cycle started right up.  Drove the
cycle about 1,000 feet to the convenience store parking area and
surveyed the damage.  Mirror snapped off as it was designed to, The
front and rear skid protectors were badly ground.  The support crew
wanted to rent a trailer to haul the cycle back to Iowa, but being
Sunday, chances of locating one were slim.  Besides, a cycle is meant to
be ridden.  Wimping out now might have adverse psycological effects
later.  (Yea, right.  Just wanted to ride the PC home!)  I explained how
the mirror is supposed to detach itself to prevent further damage to the
more expensive plastic to the support crew.  After reattaching the
mirror using the tool kit we proceeded on towark Iowa.  For a February
day the temperature was a very uncommon 60 degrees.  Very Windy, but
lots of other cycles were out.  All after a brief sampling of spring in
the winter.  Everyone waved!  Most were Harley full dressers on the
super slab.  The cycle was usually at 10 to 15 degrees from plumb due to
the westerly wind.  Then just outside of Chariton, Iowa a youngster in a
Black 1995 Mustang decided to pass on a yellow line, uphill, around the
Semi which was slowing him down.  Sure could see the whites of his eyes
as he tested those wide, low profile tires ability to grab pavement to
decrease the speed of his vehicle.  I had a mirrored visor on so there
was no way they could see what I was saying or how large my eyes were as
I tried to gingerly grab the front brakes,  (Still remembered the "fun"
in Kansas City and hadn't yet practiced panic stops, just panic get back
ons.)  The Mustang smoked all four tires and jerked back in behind the
Semi's tail.  The rest of the trip back home to Pella was uneventful -
the last 35 mniles out of 220 one way.  (Thankfully)  Prplaced the
mirror housing, signal lens and both plactic slides for $130.34.  Have
found the archives very informative and helpful.  Pella has "Tulip Time"
on May 8th, 9th and 10th.  Drop by for a colorful weekend.  Call if you
have plans to visit or would like a pamphlet about the area.

Michael  1990 PC8900  "ESCAPN"
phh:  515-628-2967    phw:  515-628-1601
Distilled information becomes condensed knowledge.


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From: "Estes, Cory S" <EstesCS@88ABW.WPAFB.AF.MIL>
To: "'John LaFreniere'" <johnl@general.net>, "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: PC 800 insurance
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 15:22:48 -0500

I don't remember exactly what my coverages are, but I had been tickled
with $138 per year for full coverage on my PC and liability on my
GB-500.  I thought that was pretty good.  I got  with Progressive at the
Cleveland MC Show and they quoted $74 for the same coverage!  Result:
Goodbye Geico, hello Progressive!

Cory

>
>
>I'd like to share some info on Bike Insurance. 


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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 15:13:06 +0000
From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS)
Subject: NJ Insurance!!!!!!!
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

Just call Markel.  As I should have expected......



      THEY DO NOT WRITE IN NEW JERSEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Arg!  This state sucks for insurance!

Chris Klass

P.S. Good thing my bike is still registed and insured in Wyoming.  I know, 
dumb. But $170 a year is tough to beat.


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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 15:20:32 +0000
From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS)
Subject: More NJ Ins. Crap!
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

Just got a local quote.  $832 for the year!!!!!  Man I love New Jersey!

I think I will keep the Wyoming insurance for one more year.

Chris Klass


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From: BernieK469@aol.com
	  by emout03.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id PAA26544;
	  Wed, 12 Feb 1997 15:40:28 -0500 (EST)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 15:40:28 -0500 (EST)
To: tzedak@hudsoncnsl.win.net, cscales@haywire.csuhayward.edu
cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Re: Mobil One

Honda's HP4 is a mixture of synthetic and natural oil.   HP4 is the oil I 
use after the intital break in period.  There are a number of commercial 
brands that blend synthetic and natural oils.

Bernie 


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From: "Estes, Cory S" <EstesCS@88ABW.WPAFB.AF.MIL>
To: "'GuntherSki@aol.com'" <GuntherSki@aol.com>,
        "'PC800 List'"
	 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: RE: PC 800 insurance
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 16:31:46 -0500

Yep, I'll try to remember to bring it in tomorrow to relay coverages and
phone number.  That's $74 for a year w/ Dec-Feb lay-away.  Bikes are
licensed in Alaska but have Ohio insurance on them

Later.

Cory

>----------
>From: 	GuntherSki@aol.com[SMTP:GuntherSki@aol.com]
>Sent: 	Wednesday, February 12, 1997 4:00 PM
>To: 	Estes, Cory S
>Subject: 	Re: RE: PC 800 insurance
>
>Cory,
>
>What are the details on your insurance. I'm paying $400 a year for full
>coverage on my PC....  I'm 33 with no claims.....
>
>Can you send me a phone number?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Z
>


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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 15:49:09 -0800
From: "Stephen A. Churchill" <schrchll@INETWORLD.NET>
To: PC 800 newsgroup <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Testing back to me

This is a test only. Thank you

          for <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 01:58:29 +0000

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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 19:50:06 -0600
From: Gerri Ewing <GEwing@worldnet.att.net>
To: Pacific Coast ListServ <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: RE: PC 800 insurance

Estes, Cory S wrote:
>  I got  with Progressive at the
> Cleveland MC Show and they quoted $74 for the same coverage!  Result:
> Goodbye Geico, hello Progressive!

I signed on with Progressive thru my Farmers agent. I pay $129 annually
for full coverage on my '90 PC. Then again, I have a squeaky clean
record, and I was around while dirt was still in the design stage.
Opposed to popular opinion not everything is bigger in Texas.

Livin and Dying in 3/4 time. - J Buffet
Gerri


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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 10:45:47 +0800
To: "Gary E. Klim" <garyklim@snet.net>, PILEWIS1@concentric.net
From: Larry Campbell <campbell@asiatech.net>
Subject: Re: Rifle Windshields-Final Purchase List!
Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>

Yes, I'm in for sure.

Larry.

At 06:01 AM 2/12/97 -0500, Gary E. Klim wrote:
>Phil Lewis wrote:
> 
>> If you please, I only want to put you on this list if you DEFINITELY are
>> going to order a windshield if we have the 30 or so people.
>
>> Cycle purchase list> transmit number #3---2/11/97.
>> 
>>   1. Phil Lewis
>>   2. Alexander Gray
>>   3. Jeff Leech
>>   4. Doug Powell
>>   5. Mike Harness
>>   6. Cliff Alexander
>>   7. Dave Lott
>>   8. Cory Estes
>>   9. Mike Bavister
>>  10. Larry Campbell
>>  11. Philips Wong
>>  12. Steve Weinerman
>>  13. Gary Klim
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut    garyklim@snet.net
>________________________________________________________________________
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>message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu.
>To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu.
>
>


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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 20:06:44 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Windshield-final order.

Please review and add your name if it's not already here.  I'm going to
e-mail Rifle after we get 20 names.  I'd be surprised if he didn't want
the orders, even if it's only 20.

Phil


>>>
>>> > Cycle purchase list> transmit number #7---2/12/97 @ 8:00pm pst.
>>> >
>>> >   1. Phil Lewis
>>> >   2. Alexander Gray
>>> >   3. Jeff Leech
>>> >   4. Doug Powell
>>> >   5. Mike Harness
>>> >   6. Cliff Alexander
>>> >   7. Dave Lott
>>> >   8. Cory Estes
>>> >   9. Mike Bavister
>>> >  10. Larry Campbell
>>> >  11. Philips Wong
>>> >  12. Steve Weinerman
>>> >  13. Gary Klim
>>     14. Keith Sproul
>      15. Julie Pipkin
       16. Mike Jones
       17. David Sampson
       18.

          by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4)
	  id WAA05653; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 22:26:04 -0600 (CST)

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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 22:26:04 -0600 (CST)
From: greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers )
Subject: Re: Windshield-final order.
To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

You wrote: 
>
>Please review and add your name if it's not already here.  I'm going 
to
>e-mail Rifle after we get 20 names.  I'd be surprised if he didn't 
want
>the orders, even if it's only 20.
>
>Phil
>
>
>>>>
>>>> > Cycle purchase list> transmit number #7---2/12/97 @ 8:00pm pst.
>>>> >
>>>> >   1. Phil Lewis
>>>> >   2. Alexander Gray
>>>> >   3. Jeff Leech
>>>> >   4. Doug Powell
>>>> >   5. Mike Harness
>>>> >   6. Cliff Alexander
>>>> >   7. Dave Lott
>>>> >   8. Cory Estes
>>>> >   9. Mike Bavister
>>>> >  10. Larry Campbell
>>>> >  11. Philips Wong
>>>> >  12. Steve Weinerman
>>>> >  13. Gary Klim
>>>     14. Keith Sproul
>>      15. Julie Pipkin
>       16. Mike Jones
>       17. David Sampson
>       18. Greg Chambers
>--
>Visit the PC800 web page at <URL:http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800/>
>To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of 
a
>message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu.
>To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu.
>

          by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4)
	  id WAA14548; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 22:31:21 -0600 (CST)

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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 22:31:21 -0600 (CST)
From: greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers )
Subject: Rifle "Clear Beading"
To: PILEWIS@CONCENTRIC.NET
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

Does anyone know what "Clear Beading" is?  It's a $15 option.  I'm 
going to pass on tinting and colormatch, but what the heck is "clear 
beading"?  Thanks.  

Greg


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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 21:24:54 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Windshield-final order.

>Please review and add your name if it's not already here.  I'm going to 
>e-mail Rifle after we get 20 names.  I'd be surprised if he didn't want
>the orders, even if it's only 20.
>
>Phil
>
>
>>>>
>>>> > Cycle purchase list> transmit number #8---2/12/97 @ 9:30pm pst.
>>>> >
>>>> >   1. Phil Lewis
>>>> >   2. Alexander Gray
>>>> >   3. Jeff Leech
>>>> >   4. Doug Powell
>>>> >   5. Mike Harness
>>>> >   6. Cliff Alexander
>>>> >   7. Dave Lott
>>>> >   8. Cory Estes
>>>> >   9. Mike Bavister
>>>> >  10. Larry Campbell
>>>> >  11. Philips Wong
>>>> >  12. Steve Weinerman
>>>> >  13. Gary Klim
>>>     14. Keith Sproul
>>      15. Julie Pipkin
>       16. Mike Jones
>       17. David Sampson
>       18. Greg Chambers
        19.


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Date: 13 Feb 97 00:36:46 EST
From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM>
To: HondaPacificCoastOwners <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RISKS

Howdy!

Here's a poem that I ran across some time ago. I have printed it inside my HSTA
business card, and handed out hundreds.

It has meant a lot to me through the years, and I hope that it will mean a lot
to you.

ALL ABOUT RISKS

To laugh is to risk appearing the fool.
To weep is ts to risk appearing sentimental.
To reach out for another is to risk involvement.
To expose feelings is to risk exposing your true self.
To place your ideas, your dreams before a crowd is to risk their loss.
To love is to risk not being loved in return.
To live is to risk dying.
To hope is to risk despair.
To try is to risk failure.

But risks must be taken, because the greatest hazard in life is to risk nothing.
The persons who risk nothing, do nothing, have nothing, and are nothing.
They may avoid suffering and sorrow, but they cannot learn, feel, change, grow,
love, live.
Chained by their attitudes, they are slaves; they have forfeited their freedom.

ONLY THE PERSONS WHO RISK ARE FREE!

Author unknown

Be real careful out there!

Dana Sawyer
Founder, Executive Committee Member
and South Carolina State Director


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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 23:26:56 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: A Riddle!!

What can travel 177 miles just as it runs out of gas??

\/      \/        \/         \/         \/            \/












































A 1990 Honda Pacific Coast 800!!!!!!!!  

(Please don't try this without a spare quart in your saddlebags!! :))

Phil

P.S.-The gas tank really does hold 4.2 gallons!!!


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From: TedJ101@aol.com
	  by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id GAA01833;
	  Thu, 13 Feb 1997 06:59:54 -0500 (EST)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 06:59:54 -0500 (EST)
To: Pauly@msn.com, PILEWIS1@concentric.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: rifle windshields

In a message dated 97-02-09 22:18:24 EST, Pauly@msn.com (Paul Hayes) writes:

<< Would the standard Rifle (20+5) take care of this noise and still allow me
to 
 see over when I need to? >>

I'm fairly long in the body and short of leg and at 5'11" I can look over the
top or through the 22" (22+5) Rifle on my wife's PC.  FWIW, she looks through
it and loves it.  I tried a 20" during the hot part of the summer last year,
but my wife nixed it.  Said it was too loud (though due to the different
angle of attack, it is less so than the stock Honda shield of the same size).

The only thing you should remember about the Rifle is that it is much softer
than the stock Honda shield.  You have to be careful how you clean it.  OTOH,
since it is soft, rubbing compound works wonders on it and you can remove
scratches easily and effectively.

Regards,
          <TED>

 pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 07:28:09 -0500 (EST)
 pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 07:27:24 -0500 (EST)

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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 05:28:00 +0000
From: Michael D Turley <MDTurley@wtp.net>
Subject: Re: Whazza wet Clutch?
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
 <33017902.7B6B@haywire.csuhayward.edu>

cscales@haywire.csuhayward.edu wrote:
> 
> So, no problems at all with the mobil 1???
> 
> I was thinking about trying it...any thoughts?
> 
> chris scales
I used Mobil 1 in my Gold Wing and it caused the clutch to slip.

My Honda Advisor/Mechanic told me the Honda Syn oils have a friction additive 
that helps the cluth hook up.

It's all I use now in both bikes and it works.

MT^MT


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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 07:47:30 -0500
From: Roger Prince <roger@etgn14.webo.dg.com>
To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: A Riddle!!

Lousy gas mileage.


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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 07:00:59 -0600
From: Michael Brown <peafire@kdsi.net>
To: pc800 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: K&N Air Filter

Called K&N about a week ago to bug them again about not manufacturing an
air filter for the PC.  The "tech" I talked to stated that K&N was
working on a filter for the PC and expected to have the filter available
by summer of 97.  Guess a model line finally gets some respect when it
approaches a decade of existence.

Michael Brown	1990 PC800 (the Candy RED One) "ESCAPN"

distilled information becoms condensed knowledge


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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 05:57:26 -0800
From: Dave Gross <dkgross@halcyon.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: A Riddle!!

the most I got was 148...4.1 gallons...whew.

:>)


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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 08:53:01 +0000
From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS)
Subject: Re: K&N Air Filter
To: peafire@kdsi.net (Michael Brown), pc800@hpc.uh.edu

Michael,

Give us the name and number of where to call at K&N.  That way we all can call 
and light a fire under them.

Chris Klass


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From: "Vince Santamaria" <vsantam@eccrs.edison.cc.fl.us>
To: "PC800" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:12:55 -0500

Anyone install Progressive springs in their PC front end? The PC on our
Panama trip was bottoming out badly (40k miles). 
Thanks, Vince Santamaria
 (941) 433 8043
System Programmer (IBM MAINFRAME BIGOT)
Edison Community College      
8099 College Parkway SW
P.O.Box 602210
Fort Myers FL 33906-6210
FAX:(941)489-9399 


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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 10:01:46 +0000
From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS)
Subject: NJ Ins.
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

I followed Steve W.s idea, and called his carrier.  Universal Quoted me $880.  
I gotta face it.  Aside from NJ being a lousy state for vehicle insurance, 
living in Jersey City is whats really killing me.

Chris


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From: "Robert E. Marks" <rmarks@motown.lmco.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:29:27 -0500
To: cklass@attmail.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: NJ Ins.

Chris,

I have been using Rider in Union NJ, which is under $200 / yr.
You can get covered for a half or a full year.

Call (908) 687-4882.  You can get immediate coverage over the phone.

Bob


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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 08:39:48 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: Gary Gatel <riflef@spork.callamer.com>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Rifle replacement windshields for the PC800

Dear Mr. Gatel:

Since we talked on the phone 2 days ago, I asked the riders in our
motorcycle group to confirm that they are ready to place an order
today.  Of the original 30, we have the riders on the list below, who
have confirmed that they are willing to call now to place an order with
your company.  I realize that this is less than the 30 riders you agreed
upon, but as some of the others may have not received my revised message
yet, more orders will probably still be coming in.  

With your agreement to the 30% discount, all of us on the list below
will start calling you to order our windshield.  May I suggest that we
order stating that we are part of the PC 800 GROUP, or you can give us a
special order number or prefix.

Thank you in advance for all of the consideration you have given us.

Sincerely,

Philip I. Lewis

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 1. Phil Lewis
 2. Alexander Gray
 3. Jeff Leech
 4. Doug Powell
 5. Mike Harness
 6. Cliff Alexander
 7. Dave Lott
 8. Cory Estes
 9. Mike Bavister
10. Larry Campbell
11. Philips Wong
12. Steve Weinerman
13. Gary Klim
14. Keith Sproul
15. Julie Pipkin
16. Mike Jones
17. David Sampson
18. Greg Chambers


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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 08:41:46 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC 800 WINDSHIELDS

To the group!

I just sent out a message to Gary Gatel at rifle, CC'd to us.  

We await his answer.

Phil Lewis


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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 10:53:31 -0600
From: Michael Brown <peafire@kdsi.net>
To: pc800 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
CC: cklass@attmail.com
Subject: K&N Air Filters

Christopher;

Phone Number for K&N is:

909-684-9762

P.O. Box 1329
Riverside, CA 92502

So - Flick your Bic or Strike a match - Would be nice to have a K&N Air
Filter for the PC.

BTW - Also called Uni Air Filter, they were not very interested.

If enough ruckus is created perhaps the tentative summer of 97
implementation date can be advanced a few months.

Michael  peafire@kdsi.net  "ESCAPN"


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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 08:57:01 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC 800 Windshields

If we do get the discount, this is what I expect my cost to be based on
getting the 25" shield for the '90 PC, which, according to their web
page,http://www.rifle.com/pc800.htm, is a custom size.  I guess that
makes 30" total.

  To those of you who have the rifle now, can you suggest just getting
the standard 24", which makes 29".  I'm only 5'6", but I like to ride
completely behind the shield for maximum quietness and minimum wind.

My own rifle windshield estimate:

standard kit=3D$189.00
red color   =3D  40.00
25" size    =3D  10.00
--------------------
total       =3D$239.00
less 30%    -  71.70
--------------------
total       =3D$167.30
shipping    +   8.00
tax 7.25%   =3D  12.13
--------------------
Grand total =3D$187.43

Phil

-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-------

The following quoted from their web page...


> =

> =

> =

>                                   Specs
> =

>      Includes: Complete with base and standard 20" clear windshield. To=
 obtain overall height of
>      your system, add 5" for the base to the height of the windshield. =
(Example: with the std. 20"
>      windshield, the total height would be 25"). OEM heights are: 23" (=
1989, 1994-6) and 25"
>      (1990). Hondaline taller version is 29". =

>      Base: Black texture ABS base with molded-in Air Balance=99 vent. =

>      Windshield: Optional 22" or 24" windshield. Optional tinted windsh=
ield. =

>      Colormatching: When ordering please provide year and color code.


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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 08:59:48 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: peafire@.kdsi.net
CC: pc800 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>, cklass@attmail.com
Subject: Re: K&N Air Filters

Michael Brown wrote:
> 
> Christopher;
> 
> Phone Number for K&N is:
> 
> 909-684-9762
> 
> P.O. Box 1329
> Riverside, CA 92502
> 
> So - Flick your Bic or Strike a match - Would be nice to have a K&N Air
> Filter for the PC.


I'll be giving a call, especially since I live withn 50 miles of
Riverside.

Phil


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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:05:02 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Windshield-final order.

>>>> > Cycle purchase list> transmit number #9---2/13/97 @ 9:00am pst.
>>>> >
>>>> >   1. Phil Lewis
>>>> >   2. Alexander Gray
>>>> >   3. Jeff Leech
>>>> >   4. Doug Powell
>>>> >   5. Mike Harness
>>>> >   6. Cliff Alexander
>>>> >   7. Dave Lott
>>>> >   8. Cory Estes
>>>> >   9. Mike Bavister
>>>> >  10. Larry Campbell
>>>> >  11. Philips Wong
>>>> >  12. Steve Weinerman
>>>> >  13. Gary Klim
>>>     14. Keith Sproul
>>      15. Julie Pipkin
>       16. Mike Jones
>       17. David Sampson
>       18. Greg Chambers
        19. Gordon Gazaway
        20.
--


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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 10:16:55 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Rifle Windshields-We have the Discount

Thank you all for participating in this project!

I have copied Gary Gatel's note to us, and I'll be ordering today.

I guess this is the end of this Thread!

I hope you enjoy your Rifle's.

Thanks again,

Phil Lewis

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Subject: 
>         Re: Rifle replacement windshields for the PC800
>   Date: 
>         Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:22:02 -0800
>   From: 
>         Gary Gatel <riflef@spork.callamer.com>
>     To: 
>         PILEWIS1@concentric.net
> 
> 
> Phil,
> 
> Just have them refer to the PC group discount and our people will know how
> to handle it.
> 
> Gary
>


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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 10:37:21 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Rifle windshield Order

For info only, order called in.

My own rifle windshield estimate:

standard kit=$189.00
red color   =  40.00
24" size    =     NC
--------------------
total       =$229.00
less 30%    -  68.70
--------------------
total       =$160.30
shipping    +   8.00
tax 7.25%   =  11.62
--------------------
Grand total =$179.92

 Phone 800 262-1237

Ordered from Steve at Rifle on 2/13/96

Phil


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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 10:53:25 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: Paul Hayes <Pauly@msn.com>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Windshield-final order.

Paul Hayes wrote:
> 
> You need to put me on that list.

No more lists, just call and order.

Please see my previous e-mail.

Enjoy the ride.

Phil


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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:52:30 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: Barry Shaffer <bshaffer@cce.cornell.edu>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Ordering Your New Rifle Windshields!

Barry Shaffer wrote:
> 
> Count me in!
> 
> Barry Shaffer                                 (716) 679-3185
> Grape Farm Mgmt.Specialist                Fax (716) 679-3122
> 412 E. Main St.               email:bshaffer@cce.cornell.edu
> Fredonia, NY 14063                            CENET:bshaffer


Hi Barry,

I hope you understand, all you have to do is call up Rifle and place
your order.  Just tell them that you'd like the PC GROUP DISCOUNT.  

You can find out about ordering, prices, and their phone numbers from
their web page.

http://www.rifle.com/pc800.htm

Our discount is 30% off the total of what you order, except for shipping
cost.


Take care,

Phil


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From: "Jeff Hopkins" <hopkinsj@telepath.com>
To: "PC 800 Group" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Rifle shields
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:42:40 -0600

FYI I called to check on ordering the shield alone.  They offered me a 10%
discount on a 24" clear screen.  (Had to ask for the discount)  If you
already have the set up and would like another screen this ain't a bad
deal.


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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 18:18:45 -0500
From: "Gary E. Klim" <garyklim@snet.net>
To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net
CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Rifle Windshields-We have the Discount

Phil Lewis wrote:
> 
> Thank you all for participating in this project!

Just submitted order. For those with Internet access you can order
directly through their web site. 

http://www.rifle.com/
________________________________________________________________________
Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut    garyklim@snet.net
________________________________________________________________________


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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 21:53:31 -0500
From: Jeff Leech <jleech@erinet.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Placed Rifle windshield Order


------------490C40D222790

 I placed my order with Rifle tonight (Thur).  Can't wait for this snow
to stop so I can take my baby out for a spin!

   Suffering PMS in Ohio...

    Jeff Leech
    Centerville, OH
    '94 PC-800

------------490C40D222790

<HTML><BODY>

<DT>&nbsp;I&nbsp;placed my order with Rifle tonight (Thur).&nbsp; Can't
wait for this snow to stop so I can take my baby out for a spin!</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;&nbsp; Suffering PMS in Ohio...</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Jeff Leech</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Centerville, OH</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; '94 PC-800</DT>

</BODY>
</HTML>
------------490C40D222790--


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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 18:53:56 -0800
From: Steve Gross <slgross@halcyon.com>
To: pc800 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: 

Vince Santamaria wrote:
> 
> Anyone install Progressive springs in their PC front end?


Yes.  Love them.  Get them.  now.

          for <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 03:54:52 +0000

**********  MESSAGE SEPARATOR **********

Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 21:48:21 -0600
From: Gerri Ewing <GEwing@worldnet.att.net>
To: Pacific Coast ListServ <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Tommy's Confession...

When this came across my desk, I felt obligated to share it....

Tommy goes into a confessional box and says bless me father for I have
sinned, I have been with a loose woman.

The Priest asks "Is that you Tommy"? "Yes father, it is I" Tommy
responds.

Who was the woman you were with?

I cannot tell you for I do not wish to sully her reputation.

The priest asks "Was it Brenda O'Malley"?

"No, father".

"Was it Fiona MacDonald"?

"No, father".

"Was it Ann Brown"?

"No, father, I cannot tell you".

The priest says, "I admire your perseverance but you must atone for
your sins. Your pennace will be five Our Fathers and four Hail Marys".

Tommy goes back to his pew and his buddy Sean slides over and asks
what happened?

Tommy replies: "I got five Our Fathers, four Hail Marys and three good
leads".


**********  MESSAGE SEPARATOR **********

Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 06:57:59 -0600
From: Michael Brown <peafire@kdsi.net>
To: pc800 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: First Sighting

Hello,

First time I saw a PC800 was at a parade at Cedar Falls, Iowa  in 1990
for Sturgis Falls Day.  The usual parade floats and assortment of
community dignitaries were participating.  The Shriners were there with
their little go carts and minibikes.  Then, a group of 8 shriners came
down the street, riding in formation, each on a 1990 PC800.  The group
proceded to do weaves and dips and then zip back up the street and
repeat the performance.  Fell in love with the cycle right then and
there.  The comments from the crowd were interesting and very positive
in nature.  Was a neat sight!

Michael Brown  '90  "ESCAPN"  peafire@kdsi.net

Distilled information becomes condensed knowledge


**********  MESSAGE SEPARATOR **********

To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Rifle
From: j.pipkin@juno.com (Julie A. Pipkin)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:39:30 EST

Just ordered my windshield from Rifle. Talked to Gary.

Standard 25" (w/base)    $189.00
Less pc800 30% discount  - 56.70
                         -------
Sub total                $132.30
Plus shipping            +  8.00
                         -------
Grand total              $140.30

I would like to thank Phil Lewis for taking the time to arrange for this
special discount. It's people like him that make this list a valuable
resource not only informational wise but also dollar wise.
 
Thanks,
Julie
j.pipkin@juno.com


**********  MESSAGE SEPARATOR **********

From: "Estes, Cory S" <EstesCS@88ABW.WPAFB.AF.MIL>
To: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: Rifle
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 14:56:13 -0500

Julie wrote:
>
>Just ordered my windshield from Rifle. Talked to Gary.

Ordered mine, too,  

Adding my $0.02 worth..........

Thanx for the work!

Cory
>
>


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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 18:48:36 -0500
From: Doug Powell <dpowell@surfsouth.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Shield

Just ordered mine. Thanks to everyone involved.

Doug


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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 18:54:42 -0500
From: Doug Powell <dpowell@surfsouth.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Mirror

Okay, I know I should have put the bike in the shop until the rain was 
gone but I thought I would be able to ride afterwards...instead I come 
home to find this covered heap of metal and rubber lying on the 
saturated ground below. The thing just fell over, off of the center 
stand. Of course the mirror was destroyed. The popoff trick does'nt work 
too good when the bike falls over sitting still.

Any suggestions on where to find a mirror somewhere besides the local 
Honda shop?

Doug


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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 16:26:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael A Jones <mjones@linfield.edu>
Subject: Re: Rifle windshield Order
To: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu


Three cheers for Phil Lewis.  What a guy!


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From: ChrisTUBA@aol.com
	  by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id UAA09321 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Fri, 14 Feb 1997 20:21:23 -0500 (EST)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 20:21:23 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Backrest for sale...

For sale...a Hondaline backrest, grey (89-95 model years).  It's in perfect
shape.  It was purchased last June.  I'll sell it including shipping for
$120.

Anyone interested?

L8r,

Chris Russell


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From: Timmacy@aol.com
	  by emout01.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id BAA06662 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Sat, 15 Feb 1997 01:25:27 -0500 (EST)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 01:25:27 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: What A Bunch of Blowhards!

I've been buried the past two weeks putting together a business plan that I
had to get off to my investors, so I've only gotten a chance to look at the
mail once during that time and send off a few responses.  I just added up my
last 10 days' worth of mail and have 224 messages from PC800 listers!  

Wasn't all that long ago that 25 messages a week was a good week.  Wow, we
sure have added to the list!  I'm really glad to see that--it means there's a
lot of super-intelligent people out there who obviously have a whole lot of
common sense...seeing as they're riding the Best Bike around! 

OBTW, it was pushing 60 today here in Pratland and it's supposed to be like
that tomorrow too.  It was tough, but I forced myself to put on 80 miles
running errands. (Egads, where's my hip boots?)

Off To Go Cross-eyed reading e-mail...

Tim
Portland, OR
'94 PC800--37,900 and riding
"Growing old is mandatory, but growing up is optional."


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From: Indianridr@aol.com
	  by emout03.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id HAA03958 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Sat, 15 Feb 1997 07:56:40 -0500 (EST)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 07:56:40 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: '89 PC for sale

Is there anyone out there interested in a very nice '89 PC?

I am selling an '89 with both standard and tall windscreens, Hondaline
backrest and trunk liners (removable bags -- these are great to have, by the
way).  Have factory manual and lock cable and also full documentation of
maintenance (all done to strictly to factory recommendations).  The bike has
brand new Dunlops in the correct size (a very quiet running, good gripping
tire).  Mileage has just turned 30K.

I would be able to deliver the bike within a reasonable distance, or would
coordinate insured shipping to anywhere.  Better yet, come ride it home!

It's a great bike that I have loved, but must sell for personal reasons.  I
will be advertising it for $3,500 elsewhere, but make it available to
enthusiasts on this list for $3,100.

If you or someone you know would be interested, please contact me.

Thanks!

Eric Trow
"Indianridr@aol.com"


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From: Indianridr@aol.com
	  by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id IAA16938 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Sat, 15 Feb 1997 08:02:03 -0500 (EST)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 08:02:03 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC 800 TIRES


There are really only two choices in tires for the PC?

I went through several weeks of searching for correct-size tires for my PC
and met much frustration.  The mail order houses had both Dunlop and
Metzelers in the corrects size on backorder, neither of which ever came in as
promised.  I found one mail order house that had a Dunlop front and another
that had a Metzeler rear.  Finally, after calling several dealerships here at
home, I found a Dunlop front 10 miles away and a Dunlop rear 30 miles away.
 Yikes!  I will say that the Dunlop is a MUCH quieter tire than the set of
Metzelers that I had on before; they sounded like truck tires!


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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 08:34:29 -0500
From: "Gary E. Klim" <garyklim@snet.net>
To: Indianridr@aol.com
CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: '89 PC for sale

Indianridr@aol.com wrote:
> Have factory manual and lock cable and also full documentation of
> maintenance (all done to strictly to factory recommendations).

Changing fluids and filters at Honda recommended intervals is a cruel
thing to do to a motorcycle...
________________________________________________________________________
Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut    garyklim@snet.net
________________________________________________________________________


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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: kyle_n_ame@juno.com (Kyle & Ame A Lankford)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 09:07:36 EST

Hello

	I'm a 25 year old pipe fitter that  lives in downtown Atlanta.
	I've drove bikes since I was 19, and I just cann't see wasting
all my money on a car. I started on a 250 Honda Elite Scooter, I put
50,000+ miles on it before that patch of black ice. The my brother gave
me a '82 cm450e. I only had to drive it from Charlottesville Virginia to
Atlanta Georgia. I had never drove a ' real ' bike before. After that I
had a Yamaha XS650. In flames a couple of times( it caught on fire two
good times). Drove like a brick on wheels. I will never own a Yamaha ever
again, just because of that bike. I'm sure they are built good now, and
they probably were made good then, I just got a lemon of a bike. I drove
that bike with a malfunctioning charging system for 3 months. It
SUCKED!!!!

	And then I saw a white PC800 at a used bike dealing. White, I
wanted a white PC ever since they first came out.
	I go look at the PC. 48,000 miles on it, high mileage for some
people, just broken in for some people. Missing fiberglass cover over the
crash bars on the left side. rip in seat .window scratched. plug in rear
tire. It's in PERFECT shape. It's a 1990, with white paint over the
pretty red paint, but I do a lot of night driving, so I want white. I
talk to the dealer and but heads for month and agree to a price of
$3,000. By the time a bought it the bike and 500 more miles on it hen the
first time I saw it, the mechanic liked it too. I guess. I ask him how
much he would on a trade in for my bike and he said, "This isn't even a
parts bike!!,he was right.
	The first time I rode the bike it was almost too easy, too light,
too quite.
	I took the bike on my honeymoon, to Dariaen, a town on the Coast
of Georgia, 300 miles away from Atlanta.
	I drove the bike through Freaknik(I'm white and had to pick up my
wife from work)
	I've drove the bike through a foot and a half of water.I the a
fouled a spark plug for about 30 miles).
	I've drove in 14 degree tempature for 35 miles.
	I've drain in 34 degree rain for  35 miles.
	I've drove to the highest point in Georgia on the bike.

	I'd like to talk to a few of you from my area over in the
Southeast. 
			Kyle
			   fellow PCer
	


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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 15:17:22 +0100 (MET)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Gerard Diepeveen <pcn@dsv.nl>
Subject: Ad's on PCN pages

If you have Pacific Coast things for sale, then I give you the opportunity
to put your add on our Dutch and English Members Only pages, this service is
free 
and for PC800 riders only.

Send me the add, and I garantee you the next day it will be on the Internet.

When the item your selling is sold, send me an email so I can remove your
add from the pages.

Mail can be send to: pcn@dsv.nl or gerard@dsv.nl

Best regards,
Gerard Diepeveen, Pacific Coast Netherlands



--------------------------------00---------------------
Gerard Diepeveen		'89 White
Pacific Coast Netherlands
E-Mail: pcn@dsv.nl or gerard@dsv.nl
O-PC-O:-) "May the Pacific Coast be with you"
Visit the Honda Pacific Coast Netherlands:
http://www.dsv.nl/~pcn/
------------------------------------------------------


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From: TedJ101@aol.com
	  by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id JAA26246;
	  Sat, 15 Feb 1997 09:43:56 -0500 (EST)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 09:43:56 -0500 (EST)
To: tzedak@hudsoncnsl.win.net, BernieK469@aol.com,
        cscales@haywire.csuhayward.edu
cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Re: Mobil One

In a message dated 97-02-12 13:56:47 EST, tzedak@hudsoncnsl.win.net (Todd
Zedak) writes:

<<  have never heard that it is an acceptable procedure to mix oil BRANDS
 much less TYPES of oil. I understand the thinking behind NOT using a
 hyper-lubricant like Mobil 1 right out of the gate. But me thinks that
 mixing oil TYPES (synthetic and natural) might cause trouble. Thoughts from
 the more informed.... >>


Well, since many of the major oil companies sell oils which are a blend of
regular and synthetic, I would say your fear is unfounded...

Regards,
           <<TED>>


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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 09:49:59 -0800
From: Dave Gross <dkgross@halcyon.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: '89 PC for sale

> Changing fluids and filters at Honda recommended intervals is a cruel
> thing to do to a motorcycle...


now now gary :>)   Not all of us are...well..shall we say...FANATICAL
about our oil changes <BIG G>

actually..for $3100, if she's in great shape, it would be a good
deal...tho _I_ ain't going there to drive it back.  
-- 

Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, AKC
http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross


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From: Timmacy@aol.com
	  by emout02.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id NAA23388 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Sat, 15 Feb 1997 13:45:41 -0500 (EST)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 13:45:41 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Whazza wet Clutch?

In a message dated 97-02-11 21:14:51 EST, it was written:

<< If  you talk to the Honda mechanics, they say the motorcylce oil has
special additives to increase the lubricity for the purpose of lubricating
the clutch.  Regular automotive oil does not have this additives; therfore,
they break down faster with the friction provided by the clutch. >>

Does anyone remember the MCN article from last year?  I've got it somewhere.
 It basically said that there is no difference in "regular" oils, which
includes motorcycle-specific oil (no matter what your Honda...or Harley
dealer says).  Synthetic oil does have a greater resistance to breaking down
than regular oil and provides better protection for a longer period of time.
 But it still needs to be changed on a regular basis 'cause it gets just as
dirty!

 IMHO, people who have been buying a certain brand of oil for years for their
car, or bike, or whatever...are an advertising agency's dream!  :-}}

Tim
Portland, OR
'94 PC800--37,900 and riding (on Mobile 1)

"Growing old is mandatory, but growing up is optional."


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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 08:25:09 -0700
From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Dyno numbers

I'm sending this chart of dyno numbers to member 
Yu Seung in Singapore, thought it might be of interest
to all...

rpm       hp   torque

2500   17.00   32.60
3000   19.80   32.60
3500   24.80   35.60
4000   31.40   40.10
4500   36.20   41.70
5000   41.20   43.00
5500   43.50   41.70
6000   44.90   39.60
6500   46.90   38.50
7000   51.10   39.20
7500   46.40   33.30   

CYCLE, June '89

Bob C.
NM


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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 09:37:46 -0700 (MST)
From: Eric York <eryork@NMSU.Edu>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Headlight bulbs


Just a quick reminder regarding halogen bulbs. ALWAYS clean them with
alcohol before installing, even if you didn't touch the glass. You never
know what moron had his grubby mitts on it before you. 

I don't quite understand why this is, but skin oils cause premature
failure. I had a bulb fail after 5 months/8000 miles, which is ridiculous.
I didn't touch the glass of the bulb, but i didn't clean it before
installation either. I suspect a slug at the auto parts store took
it out of the box and fondled it. Since I use 55/100 bulbs, this wasn't a
cheap mistake on my part.

Eric York

 17 Feb 1997 09:13:21 -0700 (PDT)
 <01BC1CB4.47154AC0@cypspain.ug.eds.com>; Mon, 17 Feb 1997 09:23:47 -0800

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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 09:23:43 -0800
From: Harrison Spain <_spain@edsug.com>
Subject: FW: Dyno numbers
To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>

Nice flat torque over the entire range (something every PC800 owner knows but it is interesting to see the numbers!).

I'm surprised that the HP does not fall off until you hit redline :-).  Did anyone else graph the numbers?

Thanks for publishing the numbers Bob!

Harrison

----------

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From: 	9312[SMTP:rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov]
Sent: 	Monday, February 17, 1997 7:25 AM
To: 	pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: 	Dyno numbers

I'm sending this chart of dyno numbers to member 
Yu Seung in Singapore, thought it might be of interest
to all...

rpm       hp   torque

2500   17.00   32.60
3000   19.80   32.60
3500   24.80   35.60
4000   31.40   40.10
4500   36.20   41.70
5000   41.20   43.00
5500   43.50   41.70
6000   44.90   39.60
6500   46.90   38.50
7000   51.10   39.20
7500   46.40   33.30   

CYCLE, June '89

Bob C.
NM


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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Headlight bulbs
From: Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: 17 Feb 1997 11:16:16 -0600
Lines: 16

>>>>> "EY" == Eric York <eryork@nmsu.edu> writes:

EY> I don't quite understand why this is, but skin oils cause premature
EY> failure.

The skin oil and any other debris is heated by the light passing through,
which in turn heats the glass.  Hot bulbs burn shorter.

See what happens when you put a fingerprint on a projector bulb.  The glass
gets hot enough to melt, and it does so.

It does pay to clean all bulbs thoroughly before you install them, though
it matters less with the low-wattage bulbs used in taillights and
blinkers.  While you're at it, blow crud out of the sockets, too.

 - J<


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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 11:50:42 -0700 (MST)
From: Eric York <eryork@NMSU.Edu>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: hp/torque numbers again please?

Bob in NM,

Would you please resend the torque/hp numbers you posted? (just reply
privately  to me?)

I meant to fwd them to someone, but deleted a bit too soon. I also have
not saved Bob's address. 

My apologies to the list for wasted bandwidth.

Eric York


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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 18:14:44 -0500
From: "Gary E. Klim" <garyklim@snet.net>
To: 9312 <rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov>
CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Dyno numbers

9312 wrote:
> 
> I'm sending this chart of dyno numbers to member
> Yu Seung in Singapore, thought it might be of interest
> to all...

Interesting how the PC makes several more HP than a Harley 80 c.i.
engine with only  48.8 c.i. Sort of puts it all into perspective,
doesn't it... :)

(Apologies to any HD owners on the list, this is merely an
observation...)

gk
________________________________________________________________________
Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut    garyklim@snet.net
________________________________________________________________________


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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 18:50:24 -0600
To: gcw0766@mail.88net.net
From: dan@88net.net (Dan_Lee Vogler)
Subject: Re: Dyno numbers
Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>

9312 wrote:
> 
> I'm sending this chart of dyno numbers to member
> Yu Seung in Singapore, thought it might be of interest
> to all...

Interesting how the PC makes several more HP than a Harley 80 c.i.
engine with only  48.8 c.i. Sort of puts it all into perspective,
doesn't it... :)

(Apologies to any HD owners on the list, this is merely an
observation...)

gk
________________________________________________________________________
Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut    garyklim@snet.net
________________________________________________________________________


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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 19:20:33 -0500
From: Doug Powell <dpowell@surfsouth.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Mirror

> Try Honda of Milpitas, they gave me a good price break. Mention you are a
> member of this list.  Good luck!

Juan,

You would'nt happen to have that telephone # would you? My local HS 
quoted me $210.00, is that in the ball park? I'm glad the new Rifle 
has'nt made it yet...

Doug


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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 19:57:51 -0500
From: Doug Powell <dpowell@surfsouth.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Thanks

Thanks to Juan, Ray and Philips Wong for the help on the mirror 
catastrophe...I emailed Milpitas today and should be fixed up pretty 
soon...just in time for the new shield...And maybe everything will have 
dried up a bit by then.

Thanks for the help,

Doug

          Tue, 18 Feb 1997 7:35:02 -0500 (EST)

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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 07:36:20 -0600
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Waldo  E. Meeks" <wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu>
Subject: 90 PC800 for sale 

After 20 years and over 200,000 miles of riding and after much soul
searching I have decided to move on to other interest at this time.  I know
I will miss the sport and the wonderful comradeship I have experienced.  I
have owned about ten rode bikes including BMW's, Goldwings etc.  The PC is
by far the best. That is not a sales pitch, that is an honest opinion..

For Sale: PC800 package deal.

1990 PC800 (red of course) Pristine condition
22,000 tender loving road miles (not used as commuter bike)
Maintenance records
Garaged and covered when not on the road.
Can be seen on PC800 web page under pictures (waldo's 1st home grown trailer)
Many extras including rifle windshield system, voltmeter, battery condition
meter, passenger back rest, 12volt plugs in truck and fairing pocket, custom
trailer hitch (see picture under Waldo pictures), Honda service manual.

Also included:

Cargo trailer (weight approx. 98 lbs empty). See picture under "Waldo's 2nd
home grown trailer". When towing fully loaded with camping gear, etc. "You
really do not know it is back there and it honestly does not affect gas
mileage.( I usually get around 53  mpg) at 60-65 mph.

Some camping gear including Camel 60 second 7X8 tent, Coleman small one
burner stove, other neat items.

Wedder electric vest with thermostat control size 42.  Used very little.
Live 50 miles northwest of Savannah, Georgia

Shoei RF700 Full Face .  New (used one time) Size large

Bike cover.

This is a ready to go set up.  Everything is in perfect condition.

ALL STATEMENTS IN THIS AD ARE HONEST.  YOU WOULD NOT BE DISAPPOINTED IN MY
CLAMS.


Total package price $5000.00 (I am only interested in selling the whole
package at this time.)

e-mail or 1-912-488-2217


==============================
Dr. Waldo E. Meeks
Manufacturing Program Coordinator/
  Professor - Industrial Management
Allen E. Paulson College of Science and Technology
LB# 8047
Georgia Southern University
Statesboro, GA 30460
(912)681-5828
FAX (912)871-1853
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:25:52 -0500
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: harness@vt.edu (Mike Harness)
Subject: Rifle 

Just a bit of info - I placed my order this morning with Rifle.  I asked
the person taking the order (Chris) when it would be shipped.  He said that
they are holding all orders until they get thirty before any will be
processed.  Is this a wrinkle I missed in all the previous notes, or did
others get the same message?  If this is true, it may be a while before we
get our shields.  On a day like today, 60 degrees and clear skies, I want
mine now!


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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:42:34 -0500
From: Jeff Leech <jleech@erinet.com>
To: Doug Powell <dpowell@surfsouth.com>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Mirror


------------3BEE73C258C0

>> Try Honda of Milpitas, they gave me a good price break. Mention you
are a
> >member of this list.  Good luck!
>>Juan,
>You would'nt happen to have that telephone # would you? My local HS
> quoted me $210.00, is that in the ball park? I'm glad the new Rifle
> has'nt made it yet...

> Doug

Doug, $210 sounds high.  Last year I replaced the left hand mirror
because of a silly incident with neutral and a downhill grade while on
the sidestand...
Anyway, the mirror housing was about $75 and the mirror itself was about
$35.  This does require taking a few of the non broken parts out of the
original and putting it back together.  If it's not all smashed, you
just need to get the parts that are broken.

        Jeff Leech
        Centerville, OH
        '94 Pacific Coast

------------3BEE73C258C0

<HTML><BODY>

<DT>&gt;&gt; Try Honda of Milpitas, they gave me a good price break. Mention
you are a&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>&gt; &gt;member of this list.&nbsp; Good luck!</DT>

<DT>&gt;&gt;Juan,</DT>

<DT>&gt;You would'nt happen to have that telephone # would you? My local
HS</DT>

<DT>&gt; quoted me $210.00, is that in the ball park? I'm glad the new
Rifle</DT>

<DT>&gt; has'nt made it yet...</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>&gt; Doug&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>Doug, $210 sounds high.&nbsp; Last year I replaced the left hand mirror
because of a silly incident with neutral and a downhill grade while on
the sidestand...</DT>

<DT>Anyway, the mirror housing was about $75 and the mirror itself was
about $35.&nbsp; This does require taking a few of the non broken parts
out of the original and putting it back together.&nbsp; If it's not all
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<DT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Centerville, OH</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; '94 Pacific Coast</DT>

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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:41:35 -0700 (MST)
From: Eric York <eryork@NMSU.Edu>
To: "Gary E. Klim" <garyklim@snet.net>
cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Dyno numbers


On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, Gary E. Klim wrote:

> 
> Interesting how the PC makes several more HP than a Harley 80 c.i.
>> engine with only  48.8 c.i. Sort of puts it all into perspective,
>doesn't it... :)

In all fairness, we should look at torque as well. My 1200 Sportster
in stock form produced considerably more torque at all rpm. It is also
lighter, so even though it's max hp was very slightly lower (stock), it
absolutely spanked the PC in outright acceleration. (Note stock 1200's
produce a few more hp than stock big twins.) 

Rest assured this (former and future) HD owner wasn't offended by your
comparison. Yes HDs are ridiculously primitive. Yes they are slow (in
stock form) and handle like pigs. Yes they are a lot of fun to tinker with
and get massive increases in hp, torque for surprisingly small amounts of
money. And yes they are oh, so cool. *gigglesnort*

There I've gone and gotten off the PC subject again. I hereby submit to
public flogging.

Eric York


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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:05:23 -0800
From: "Stephen A. Churchill" <schrchll@INETWORLD.NET>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, schrchll@INETWORLD.NET
CC: Timmacy@aol.com
Subject: Re: Mileage champ

Stephen A. Churchill wrote:
> 
> Timmacy@aol.com wrote:>
> > Tim
> > Portland, OR
> > '94 PC800--37,900 and riding
> 
> I think you're the mileage champ right now.  33k of my bike was on it
> before I purchased it. Even though I use it for commuting it takes alot
> of trips to work and back at 10 miles one way to build up the miles.
> Keep Riding!  Anybody out there can beat that?
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>       Stephen A. Churchill
>       Oceanside California
> 
>      1989 Pacific Coast 800
>        "Tupperware Twin"
>    36,000 miles and counting
> "Growing old is not so bad when you
>  consider the alternative" -Disraeli
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:09:44 -0800
From: "Stephen A. Churchill" <schrchll@INETWORLD.NET>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, schrchll@INETWORLD.NET
Subject: Re: PC800 vs Hogs

> Eric York wrote: Yes HDs are ridiculously primitive. Yes they are slow
> (in
> > stock form) and handle like pigs. Yes they are a lot of fun to tinker with
> > and get massive increases in hp, torque for surprisingly small amounts of
> > money. And yes they are oh, so cool. *gigglesnort*
> >
> > There I've gone and gotten off the PC subject again. I hereby submit to
> > public flogging.
> 
> I for one commend your comments made in good taste and without
> rancor...mostly. (gigglesnort?) :) Had I the wherewithal I would
> probably partake of the allure one of another facet of motocycling-
> cruisers.  For now I will be content with my economical, well but not
> overpowered and most beautiful motorcycle made for the eighth year
> running. Of course others opinions may differ; let them.  *gigglesnort*
> Oops, that just snuck out.    Ride with Joy.  :)
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>       Stephen A. Churchill
>       Oceanside California
> 
>      1989 Pacific Coast 800
>        "Tupperware Twin"
>    36,000 miles and counting
> "all the worlds a stage and we are but players"
  -the Bard
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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From: "Estes, Cory S" <EstesCS@88ABW.WPAFB.AF.MIL>
To: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: Mileage champ
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 14:28:54 -0500

Are you kidding?

The group milage champ, by far, has to be Roger Prince.  Granted, not
all on the same PC, but he's up there.  I'd say that it's probably a
given that his wife Carol is the highest milage PC PASSENGER in the
world.

>
>> I think you're the mileage champ right now.  33k of my bike was on it
>> before I purchased it. Even though I use it for commuting it takes alot
>> of trips to work and back at 10 miles one way to build up the miles.
>> Keep Riding!  Anybody out there can beat that?
>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>       Stephen A. Churchill
>>       Oceanside California
>


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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 13:49:39 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: Mike Harness <harness@vt.edu>
CC: riflef@spork.callamer.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Rifle

Mike Harness wrote:
> 
> Just a bit of info - I placed my order this morning with Rifle.  I asked
> the person taking the order (Chris) when it would be shipped.  He said that
> they are holding all orders until they get thirty before any will be
> processed.  Is this a wrinkle I missed in all the previous notes, or did
> others get the same message?  If this is true, it may be a while before we
> get our shields.  On a day like today, 60 degrees and clear skies, I want
> mine now!


Hi Everybody!

I just talked to Gary Gatel at rifle, and here is what he said.  

Our original discount was based on 30 orders.  He said that he would
honor that discount if we get close.  But right now, there have only
been about 12 or 13 orders.  He said that he would probably give us a
20% discount based on the orders he has right now.  

I have to admit, 12 or 13 orders is a long way from the almost 30 who
had put their name on the list.  If Gary will agree to a 20% discount to
ship now, we will  have to make that decision collectively.  If a lot of
us withdraw our orders, then I'm sure that the 20% discount will no
longer apply.

I think that we should all be able to make our collective decision by
the end of February.

I, personally, would like to wait until the end of February, and see how
many more orders are made.

Thanks again,

Phil Lewis

cc: Gary Gatel
    Rifle Products


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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 18:28:24 -0500
From: Jeff Leech <jleech@erinet.com>
To: PC 800 User Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>, PILEWIS1@concentric.net
Subject: Re: Rifle

Phil Lewis wrote:
> Hi Everybody!
> 
> I just talked to Gary Gatel at rifle, and here is what he said.

Snip!

> I have to admit, 12 or 13 orders is a long way from the almost 30 who
> had put their name on the list.  If Gary will agree to a 20% discount to
> ship now, we will  have to make that decision collectively.  If a lot of
> us withdraw our orders, then I'm sure that the 20% discount will no
> longer apply.
> 
> I think that we should all be able to make our collective decision by
> the end of February.
> 
> I, personally, would like to wait until the end of February, and see how
> many more orders are made.
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> Phil Lewis

  Phil, and others who are purchasing Rifle Shields,

  I am willing to wait a week or two to get our order up near 30 to get
the 30% discount, but if we don't get near 30 orders, I will cancel my
order with Rifle and go through the other dealer that was dug up (I
don't have the name anymore, since I ordered from Rifle I got rid of
it!).  That deal was very close to 30% and only required 4 orders.

	Jeff Leech
	'94 Pacific Coast
	Ordered 11 Feb with Rifle (awaiting 30!)


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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 18:30:32 -0500
From: "Gary E. Klim" <garyklim@snet.net>
To: Eric York <eryork@NMSU.Edu>
CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Dyno numbers

I knew I could spark some life back into this list after the Rifle
thread had run its' course. ;)

Eric York wrote:

> In all fairness, we should look at torque as well.

Yes we should, except that I knew full well that the torque from  73.2
c.i. would put the PC to shame. That's called selective presentation of
facts...;)

> Yes they are a lot of fun to tinker with...

Sadly, I've reached the point in my life where I feel that time
tinkering is time I could be riding. (Although, a 2nd "project bike" has
its' appeal...)

> And yes they are oh, so cool. *gigglesnort*

I always wanted a 1974(?) XLCR(?) Cafe Racer (Please correct my year
and/or model designation)
 
> There I've gone and gotten off the PC subject again. I hereby submit to
> public flogging.

The PC *was* the subject of comparison - no flogging needed. 

There, that was fun. Next?

gk
________________________________________________________________________
Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut    garyklim@snet.net
________________________________________________________________________


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From: slwcpa@ix.netcom.com
          by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4)
	  id RAA17248 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Tue, 18 Feb 1997 17:56:20 -0600 (CST)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 17:56:20 -0600 (CST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Rifle

On 02/18/97 18:28:24 you wrote:
>
>Phil Lewis wrote:
>> Hi Everybody!
>> 
>> I just talked to Gary Gatel at rifle, and here is what he said.
>
>Snip!
>
>> I have to admit, 12 or 13 orders is a long way from the almost 30 who
>> had put their name on the list.  If Gary will agree to a 20% discount to
>>Snip!

>> Thanks again,
>> 
>> Phil Lewis
>
>  Phil, and others who are purchasing Rifle Shields,
>
>  I am willing to wait a week or two to get our order up near 30 to get
>the 30% discount, but if we don't get near 30 orders, I will cancel my
>order with Rifle and go through the other dealer ....  That deal was very 
close to 30% and only required 4 orders.
>
>	Jeff Leech
>	'94 Pacific Coast
>	Ordered 11 Feb with Rifle (awaiting 30!)


I agree and will probably cancel the order and get it from the other dealer 
if we don't get 30%..

Steven Weinerman..

P.S. How many oders have they received?


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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 20:04:48 -0500
From: "Gary E. Klim" <garyklim@snet.net>
To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net
CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Rifle

Phil Lewis wrote:
> 
> I have to admit, 12 or 13 orders is a long way from the almost 30 who
> had put their name on the list.

All right, let's pretend this list is comprised of a group of Klingons
scattered throughout the Alpha Quadrant. As we all know, among Klingons,
honor is paramount. With that in mind, let's fire up the fax machines,
browsers, e-mail protocols and even that odd device called the telephone
and place your Rifle order now...

...or I'll spam uncompressed .BMPs of Madonna giving birth to all who
haven't ordered yet. ;)
________________________________________________________________________
Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut    garyklim@snet.net
________________________________________________________________________


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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 17:47:51 -0800
From: "Stephen A. Churchill" <schrchll@INETWORLD.NET>
To: "Gary E. Klim" <garyklim@snet.net>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Rifle

Gary E. Klim wrote:

> and place your Rifle order now...or I'll spam uncompressed .BMPs of Madonna giving birth to all who haven't ordered yet. ;)
_________________________Somewhere in central Connecticut
    
Is Gary getting a little cabin fever is he?  ;)  I have to admit even
the thought of it is a hell of a threat. yuucch  }:Q
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
        Steve Churchill
      Oceanside California
     1989 Pacific Coast 800
       "Tupperware Twin"
   36,000 miles and counting
       Peace be with you
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 18:19:58 -0800
From: "Stephen A. Churchill" <schrchll@INETWORLD.NET>
To: "Estes, Cory S" <EstesCS@88ABW.WPAFB.AF.MIL>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Mileage champ

Estes, Cory S wrote:
> Are you kidding?
> The group milage champ, by far, has to be Roger Prince.  Granted, not
> all on the same PC, but he's up there.  I'd say that it's probably a
> given that his wife Carol is the highest mileage PC PASSENGER in the
> world.

Actually I was speaking of mileage on a single PC.  And you never did
mention exactly what the mileage was...  I'm interested in what the most
miles on the odometer of a PC is mainly because mine seems to be nearing
middle age and I wonder just where that might be.  I'm either planning a
major redo of my '89 with new body panels, paint, Givi bag, and tires or
purchasing an entirely new bike (which may or may not be a PC-the wife
likes the back seat of a Goldwing better but I will still commute on the
bike)depending upon which seems to be the best long term cost effective
solution.
On that same thought...  I hear Dunlops are the choice of tires but
which ones?  Right now I apparently have Elite II Goldwing tires on it. 
Don't ask me...it came with 'em.  Also body parts through my Honda
dealer seem outrageously high. does anyone know a used parts or scrap
dealer that has undamaged parts. (I realize the parts I need to replace
are the most likely to have been damaged)
 Finally, my hat is off to Roger Prince and his (I think) 200K mi. of PC
riding and special accolades to Carol Prince for her dedication,
devotion to her husbands dream, and her personal grit.  Though it has
its own appeal, the backseat just isn't as much fun as driving.  Now if
she could only talk to my wife...
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
          Steve Churchill
        Oceanside California
      1989 Pacific Coast 800
       "Tupperware Twin"
   36,000 miles and counting

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 22:29:25 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: gcw0766@88net.net, jleech@erinet.com
CC: PC 800 User Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Rifle

Jeff Leech wrote:
>(snip) 
>   I am willing to wait a week or two to get our order up near 30 to get
> the 30% discount, but if we don't get near 30 orders, I will cancel my
> order with Rifle and go through the other dealer that was dug up (I
> don't have the name anymore, since I ordered from Rifle I got rid of
> it!).  That deal was very close to 30% and only required 4 orders.
> 
>         Jeff Leech
>         '94 Pacific Coast
>         Ordered 11 Feb with Rifle (awaiting 30!)


I agree with Jeff!!

I'm guessing that we ought to have at least 20 or so orders into Rifle
by the end of the month.  If he won't give us the 30% with 20 orders,
than I will cancel my order and order from Cycle Designs.  The only
problem I have with that, is that I called there, left my phone number,
and was never called back!  But, in all fairness, maybe he was busy, or
maybe he never got my message.  

Anyway, I've copied Gary Wilson's original message to the end of this
e-mail, for those who are interested.  BTW, if those who have already
ordered, decide to go to Cycle Design now, then the rest of us might as
well switch.  Actually, those of us living in California, will save
7.25% in sales tax by now ordering directly from Rifle!!

And I thought this thread was all done!!!  Oh well.......... all because
I wanted a new Rifle Windshield!!!  :-o

Phil

P.S.-To Gary Wilson, do you think Cycle Design will still do their deal?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This is from Gary Wilson on 2-12-97.

> ok, here it is again, the cycle design deal:
> you can order a 25 or 27 or 29 inch shield from them for 140.00.  add 8.00 
> for shipping.  i'm certain colors are extra.  doug at cycle will ship to you 
> direct.  he'll take a check or credit card.  i suppose if he gets 4 people he 
> can get that discount.  so the first four then the next four etc.  reference 
> me or our pc group and he can account for the tally.  doug's number is 508 
> 249-2244.  they have an 800 # also 800 343-1374 (i think).  if you can't 
> get doug, leave a message; he calls back.
> any other questions talk to doug.

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 00:55:55 -0600 (CST)
From: greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers )
Subject: Re: Rifle
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

Phil wrote: 
>
Actually, those of us living in California, will save
>7.25% in sales tax by now ordering directly from Rifle!!

I think you meant "by NOT ordering directly from Rifle.  Aren't they in 
California?  If Cycle Designs is still willing (why wouldn't they be?), 
I'd just as soon switch now.  Let's face it; Rifle gets the business 
either way, so everybody is happy!

Greg
>


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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 00:05:39 -0800
From: Steve Gross <slgross@halcyon.com>
To: pc800 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Mileage champ

Stephen A. Churchill wrote:
[discussion of milage deleted)

>Anybody out there can beat that?

I bought my '90 in September 1994 with 18,464 miles on it.  
As of this weekend, I'm dangerously close to 48,000  Brother Dave's '89
had 10k at the same time - I'll let him tell you his actual.

We ride alot.  Commute on it unless the wx sucks, and have both done
over 3k vacation trips.

Corbin saddles, Progressive springs, and a lot of coffee helps!

Steve Gross
'90 PC


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From: "Estes, Cory S" <EstesCS@88ABW.WPAFB.AF.MIL>
To: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: Rifle
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 07:51:08 -0500

Though I, too, believe in the Klingon ethics of honor, I'm inclined to
agree w/ Greg, Jeff, Steve, Phil, and any others.  If we don't get the
30 for an order directly from Rifle, I'll cnx the order and go w/ Cycle
Designs.

Later,

Cory S. Estes*

'89 Honda Pacific Coast (Millennium Turtle) *Motorcycle Adventurist
'90 Honda GB-500                                     *Observer of
Humanity
'97 Chevy S-10 Pick Up                             *Lover of Life

>
>


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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 07:04:33 -0600
From: Michael Brown <peafire@kdsi.net>
To: pc800 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Design Parameters

Hi All;

Enjoyed the Sportster, PC800 comparison, that was good.  So, as Gary
said, next.

Now that the PC800 97 version has been unvieled and Honda is now
offering Less for More money instead of the same for more money, I was
very curious about what the collective opinion is concerning the basic
Design Parameters and intent of the PC800.  I've only got about four
months left of archieves to download and read, but have not run across
such a discussion.  Is the PC supposed to be the LE of sport bikes?  Or
was the intent to have a maintainence free Automocycle?  Is the PC an RR
in desguise?  During the winter prison sentence here I lean more toward
Vulcan introspection, while during the summer, Klingon Passion.

Good fortune obtaining your shields.

Michael Brown   "ESCAPN"  peafire@kdsi.net


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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 06:47:11 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: Greg Chambers <greg501@ix.netcom.com>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Rifle

Greg Chambers wrote:
> 
> Phil wrote:
> >
> Actually, those of us living in California, will save
> >7.25% in sales tax by now ordering directly from Rifle!!
> 
> I think you meant "by NOT ordering directly from Rifle.  Aren't they in
> California?  If Cycle Designs is still willing (why wouldn't they be?),
> I'd just as soon switch now.  Let's face it; Rifle gets the business
> either way, so everybody is happy!
> 
> Greg
> >

Oops!  Yeah, I meant by NOT ordering from Rifle. I'm willing to go with
Cycle Design.  Let's just see what everybody wants to do!!

Phil


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From: Radrider5@aol.com
	  by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id LAA14209;
	  Wed, 19 Feb 1997 11:16:33 -0500 (EST)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 11:16:33 -0500 (EST)
To: peafire@.kdsi.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Design Parameters

Hello Everyone, 
    I've just started monitoring this list because I'm thinking of selling my
BMW and buying a PC800.  I was hoping to get some opinions from current
owners.  I decided to jump in when Michael Brown commented the '97 PC is less
for more.  Why is that.  Just what is the down side to PC ownership?  How
reliable are they for long trips?
                      Stan Amero   radrider5@aol.com 

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 00:47:28 -0600 (CST)
From: greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers )
Subject: Re: Rifle
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

You wrote: 
>
>Phil Lewis wrote:
>> 
>> I have to admit, 12 or 13 orders is a long way from the almost 30 
who
>> had put their name on the list.
>

>honor is paramount. With that in mind, let's fire up the fax machines,
>browsers, e-mail protocols and even that odd device called the 
telephone
>and place your Rifle order now...
>
To all wondering what happened to the orders...

Mea culpa, Mea culpa.  I'm one of the laggards, having been out of 
town, sick, and all those other useless excuses.  My order will be in 
this week.  However, we must remember that when presented with the 
Cycle Products (?) alternative, our list shrunk to about 19 people.  I 
thought Rifle agreed to do it for that list.  If the discount isn't 
30%, the other deal is much better, and I will cancel my Rifle order.  
Nothing against them, but money is money.  Either way, thanks to Phil 
for the tremendous effort with them.  

Greg


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From: "Vince Santamaria" <vsantam@eccrs.edison.cc.fl.us>
To: <Radrider5@aol.com>, <peafire@.kdsi.net>, <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Design Parameters
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 12:18:21 -0500

The 97 PC does not have self cancelling turn signals. Also the front fender
is different and the front caliper covers are gone. 

The PC is very reliable for long trips.  


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From: "Todd Zedak" <tzedak@hudsoncnsl.win.net>
To: <schrchll@INETWORLD.NET>, "Estes, Cory S" <EstesCS@88abw.wpafb.af.mil>
Cc: <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Mileage champ
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 11:23:23 -0600

I went from 1900 miles to 15,500 miles in a year. However, Ray Nielson's
old PC, an '89, had apx. 90,000 miles on it.......  Mines a '94

Does Roger really have 200,000 miles on his....???

----------
> > The group milage champ, by far, has to be Roger Prince.  Granted, not
> are the most likely to have been damaged)
>  Finally, my hat is off to Roger Prince and his (I think) 200K mi. of PC
> riding and special accolades to Carol Prince for her dedication,


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From: "Todd Zedak" <tzedak@hudsoncnsl.win.net>
To: <Radrider5@aol.com>, <peafire@.kdsi.net>, <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Design Parameters
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 11:37:09 -0600

OK,

I'll answer this question. Functionally, there are no down sides to the PC.
There are "shortcomings" but that is because it's a static object. You
can't adjust the height to suit your whim. (I know, shocks, seats....)  It
can, at times, feel the need for a bit more in the HP department. Short of
that, it is a quiet, quick, comfotable machine. Very dependable. Looks cool
( or not). You don't mention what kind of BMW you have, but you will
probably find the PC to be a smoother ride. 

I think the original designers didn't know what they were doing. They just
got a wild hair and came up with it. It clearly evolved into an "entry
level" sport touring machine. It does not have ABS, room for a bigger motor
(Juan's tinkering aside), disk brakes in the rear......     However, it
does have the coolest, intergrated storage compartment, self cancelling
turn signals (till this year  : (  ) , shaft drive, the sweetest, smoothest
engine going......

So, if you like the look (or at least don't dislike it) and you like to
ride ALOT, both touring around and sport riding, it's THE perfect machine.
There are others, but they are all more $$$$ and not necessarily better.

Just my .02  

Also, are there any other members of the 12 month club????  To qualify you
have to live in a climatically challenged environment. I have ridden in
Dec, 96    Jan 1st of '97   and twice so far in Feb.   97    the first part
of the month and RIGHT NOW.....

Just asking...

Z

----------
> From: Radrider5@aol.com
> To: peafire@.kdsi.net; pc800@hpc.uh.edu
> Subject: Re: Design Parameters
> Date: Wednesday, February 19, 1997 10:16 AM
> 
> Hello Everyone, 
>     I've just started monitoring this list because I'm thinking of
selling my
> BMW and buying a PC800.  I was hoping to get some opinions from current
> owners.  I decided to jump in when Michael Brown commented the '97 PC is
less
> for more.  Why is that.  Just what is the down side to PC ownership?  How
> reliable are they for long trips?
>                       Stan Amero   radrider5@aol.com 


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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:51:08 -0800
From: Dave Gross <dkgross@halcyon.com>
To: Todd Zedak <tzedak@hudsoncnsl.win.net>
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Design Parameters

you can count both by brother and I in the 12 month club.  Seattle sucks
most of the time...we ride anyway :>)

dave


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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Rifle
From: j.pipkin@juno.com (Julie A. Pipkin)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 14:01:17 EST

I have already ordered my windshield through Rifle. 
I am willing to wait until the end of February to see if we can get close
enough to the 30 orders in order to get the 30% discount through Rifle. 
However, if people start dropping off the list and order through Cycle
Design then I will follow suit. It will cost me a few dollars more
through Cycle Design (no sales tax in Oregon) but I do want to get the
best deal for my dollar. 
Please keep me informed by private e-mail what the final desicion is so
that I can take care of business.

Thanks,
Julie
j.pipkin@juno.com

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 15:22:07 -0500
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: harness@vt.edu (Mike Harness)
Subject: Radrider questions 

My $.02 worth: the PC is an "active control" type bike, i.e. you have to
drive it, it doesn't drive you.  There is no clock, no sequenced lights to
tell you what gear you're in, no cruise control, no radioo (standard), no
satellite GPS, no cfc free air conditioner, etc.  Just the basics.  If you
wan't the electric gadgets, like BMW's electric vent (and probably other
stuff I don't know about), then try out a Gold Wing.  I test drove one last
year at the Honda Hoot, and I found myself so facinated with the controls
and radio, etc., that I almost forgot I was on a motorcycle.  And although
I was surprised at how quick it was and how well it handled, I felt like it
was driving me.

When you get a PC "up on revs", it is enough sport bike to keep you excited
and involved with the road -- go ahead and scrape those pegs. But if you're
not in a hurry, you can cruise to your heart's delight, or make the long
haul in comfort.

Yesterday afternoon I had to ride 40 miles to Roanoke, Va.  It was 60
degrees.  I floated down I-81 at 80mph in some serious afternoon interstate
traffic, and my bike was so smooth at 75 and 80... it worries me because
it's actually surrealistic.  Floating along silently, smoothly, at those
speeds is really special.  Coming back I took US 11 up the mountain at
sunset at 55mph, and again the same feeling.  This bike can do whatever you
want it to do (as you owners know) in whatever conditions, silently and
swiftly, and with proven reliability, at much less the cost of a BMW or
other touring bike equally equipped.

Sell the bimmer and find a good used PC, several have been listed with this
group recently.  IF it's not your cup of tea, then sell it.  You'll get
most of your money back, another redeeming quality of this machine.

Was that $.04 worth?

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 15:28:34 -0500
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: harness@vt.edu (Mike Harness)
Subject: Rifle

Today, Julie Pipkin wrote:
>
>I have already ordered my windshield through Rifle.
>I am willing to wait until the end of February to see if we can get close
>enough to the 30 orders in order to get the 30% discount through Rifle.
>However, if people start dropping off the list and order through Cycle
>Design then I will follow suit. It will cost me a few dollars more
>through Cycle Design (no sales tax in Oregon) but I do want to get the
>best deal for my dollar.
>Please keep me informed by private e-mail what the final desicion is so
>that I can take care of business.
>
>Thanks,
>Julie


Ditto for me.  -Mike Harness


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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 14:38:49 -0800
From: "Stephen A. Churchill" <schrchll@INETWORLD.NET>
To: Vince Santamaria <vsantam@eccrs.edison.cc.fl.us>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Design Parameters

Vince Santamaria wrote:
> 
> The 97 PC does not have self cancelling turn signals. Also the front fender
> is different and the front caliper covers are gone.
IMHO: I usually end up turning off the signals myself anyway and I like
the sleeker front end of the '97.  BTW I have bilateral arcuate
breakouts on my front caliper covers from trying to move the bike while
forgetting there was a Krypton lock on the front wheel- wouldn't happen
with the '97...or if I would remember to take the lock off.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
         Steve Churchill
       Oceanside California
     1989 Pacific Coast 800
        "Dovebar Dual"
   36,000 miles and counting
"It's impossible to make anything
 foolproof because fools can be 
       so ingenious"
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 14:47:47 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Rifle's new Deal!!!

Hi Everybody!

I've attached an e-mail from Gary Gatel at Rifle.

As you can read, he's basically through.  His offer of 15% is not even
close to what Gary Wilson said we could get at Cycle Design.

I'm sorry it worked out this way, but........ I tried!!  :(

I'm sending Gary Gatel my e-mail at this time (Gary Gatel
<ggatel@web-partners.com>) cancelling my order!

Take care, all

Phil Lewis

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Subject: 
>           Re: PC800: Rifle
>       Date: 
>           Wed, 19 Feb 1997 13:45:46
>      From: 
>           Gary Gatel <ggatel@web-partners.com>
>        To: 
>           PILEWIS1@concentric.net
>           1
> 
> 
> Phil,
> 
> We just had someone call and cancel, and others threatening. I don't think
> we are going to reach the thirty orders. Unless I am assured otherwise, I
> am rescinding the the 30% discount offer and canceling the orders currently
> in house. I will replace it with a 15% across the board discount. Any PC
> owner who mentions the PC Group will receive the discount. Please have all
> members who currently placed orders reconfirm their orders with us. After
> confirmation we will process the orders without delay. This 15% discount
> offer is good until the end of the month.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Gary
> 
>


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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:54:07 +0000
From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS)
Subject: Carb Balance
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

I am going to balance my carbs in a month or so when it warms up.  I read that 
some of you paid $70 for the vaccuum gauge.  I was at Pep Boys the other day 
and they have a single dial, mercuray vacuum gauge that it says is for, amoung 
other thing, carb balancing.  It came with all the tubing and connectors.  
AND, it was only $20!  Has anybody tried one like this?  Or does anyone know 
if it is ok for me to use this one?

Chris Klass

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 17:38:04 -0600
From: Gerri Ewing <GEwing@worldnet.att.net>
To: Pacific Coast ListServ <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Corbin Seats or Boxer Shorts ?

I have not seen a Corbin PC800 seat. Is there much of an advantage
gained by switching? To tell the truth I'm looking for a little relief.
After 45 minutes of riding, I find that certain unmentionable parts of
my anatomy are taking a nap. An unusual feeling at best. Is Corbin the
cure, or should I turn elsewhere for to lose that snoozing feeling.
(What's even worse is the tickling that comes, once the blood starts
flowing again.)By the way, YES, I have tried boxer shorts. (grin)

I've not had the opportunity to view all of the Archives. If the answer
is buried there, please, give me clue of when/where to look.

Thanks 
Gerri Ewing
"If the phone doesn't ring, it's me" - J. Buffet


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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 18:57:27 -0500
From: "Gary E. Klim" <garyklim@snet.net>
To: GEwing@worldnet.att.net
CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Corbin Seats or Boxer Shorts ?

Gerri Ewing wrote:
> 
> I have not seen a Corbin PC800 seat. Is there much of an advantage
> gained by switching?

The installation of the Corbin can be difficult to "goes on by itself",
apparently due to QC variations, but the seat is definitely worth
getting.
 
> I've not had the opportunity to view all of the Archives. If the answer
> is buried there, please, give me clue of when/where to look.

The search engine at the PC-800 web page will let you search any or all
of the archives with it's built in search engine.
 
________________________________________________________________________
Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut    garyklim@snet.net
________________________________________________________________________


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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 19:10:17 -0500
From: "Gary E. Klim" <garyklim@snet.net>
To: PC-800 E-Mail Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Gauges

I just received my copy of Cabela's Spring 1997 Master Catalog and in
the marine section there is a selection of weather tight gauges. Of PC
interest is a voltmeter for $19.99 and analog quartz clock for $46.99.
They require a 2 1/8" hole.

Their phone # is: 1-800-237-4444

or on the web at: http://www.cabelas.com
-- 
________________________________________________________________________
Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut    garyklim@snet.net
________________________________________________________________________


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From: "Estes, Cory S" <EstesCS@88ABW.WPAFB.AF.MIL>
To: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: Corbin Seats or Boxer Shorts ?
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 19:31:11 -0500

Gerri,

Don't know what to tell you about your seat problems.  Juan and I rode
our PC's nearly 10K miles in three weeks.  I can't speak for him, but I
had absolutely no "seat problems."  For me I think the Corbin would be a
waste of $$$$.  Maybe when the bike is older and the seat foam has
broken down I'll feel differently.


Cory S. Estes*

'89 Honda Pacific Coast (Millennium Turtle) *Motorcycle Adventurist
'90 Honda GB-500                                     *Observer of
Humanity
'97 Chevy S-10 Pick Up                             *Lover of Life

>


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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 19:33:22 -0500
From: Jeff Leech <jleech@erinet.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Rifle's new Deal!!!


------------7780326CEF51

 Order Canceled!


Jeff Leech
'94 PC-800

------------7780326CEF51

<HTML><BODY>

<DT>&nbsp;Order Canceled!</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>Jeff Leech</DT>

<DT>'94 PC-800</DT>

</BODY>
</HTML>
------------7780326CEF51--


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From: "Abbey Perez" <aperez@pecorp.com>
To: "PC800" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Progressive Springs
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 18:59:46 -0600

Could any one take the time a write an e-mail describing step by step
procedure on how to install progressive springs in the front forks of a
PC800?

Thanks

Abbey (37 years riding iron horses)

PS: A month a go my garage burned down with 5 BMW's and I decided to get a
PC800 and say the hell with brand loyalty on a cycle that requires a lot of
maintenance.


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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 15:10:11 +0000
From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS)
Subject: PC 800
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

             

Stan,

I bought my 95 PC800 new last April (96). Aside from changing the oil and 
filter (I did it at 200, 500, 1000, 3000, and every 3000 there after) the bike 
has required NOTHING.  I have just under 11,000 miles on it now.  I will be 
changing the rear tire, Air filter, and balancing the carb this Spring.  I 
have a Corbin saddle with the passenger backrest (highly recommended) and a 
Rifle screen (must have accessory).  I have NEVER ridden a smoother, more 
comfortable bike.  I have owned a Maxim 750, RD350, and a 95 Vulcan 800. I 
have demoed a Concurs, RS1100RS, K1100LT, Trophy 1200 (way fast), VFR 750, and 
a few others.  The fact is, while some are faster, and some have better 
suspensions (BMW), none were as vibration free, nor had as comfortable riding 
position.  

I have often thought that there is one huge downside to this bike.  How in the 
hell am I ever going to put up with the normal vibration every other bike has?  

I have taken more than a few trips.  Once put 600 miles on in one day.  Not a 
single problem.  Two up riding is not the greatest.  Not so much the lack of 
power, but mostly because the rear suspension gets overloaded. I weigh 200lbs.

I use the bike for everything.  I will no longer drive into NYC, only ride.  
It is a perfect traffic bike.  The trunk is huge, but still more narrow than 
most bikes with external bags.

I have a tank bag, but rarely use it, as the trunk holds so much.  Even a 5 
day trip to Lake George for Americade fit in the trunk.

Let me know if you have any questions,

Chris Klass


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From: "Estes, Cory S" <EstesCS@88ABW.WPAFB.AF.MIL>
To: "'PC800 List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: Rifle's new Deal!!!
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 20:55:43 -0500

10-4
C

>----------
>From: 	Jeff Leech[SMTP:jleech@erinet.com]
>Sent: 	Wednesday, February 19, 1997 7:33 PM
>To: 	pc800@hpc.uh.edu
>Subject: 	Re: Rifle's new Deal!!!
>
><<File: ATT00045.html>>
> Order Canceled!
>
>
>Jeff Leech
>'94 PC-800
>
>


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From: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: Re: Rifle
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 97 9:52:10 WST

  
> Oops!  Yeah, I meant by NOT ordering from Rifle. I'm willing to go with
> Cycle Design.  Let's just see what everybody wants to do!!

Me too!  But Cycle Design may not willing to call me back LD to Hong Kong,
and seems they have the answering machine turned on all the time.  Anybody
have their FAX #?

Thanks in advanced!
 
-- 
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Philips Wong,                    '84 HONDA GL1200A     <-- Classic!     *
  *      VR2XVI <-- HAM                    Gold Wing Aspencade               *
  *      PCA420 <-- Royal Hong Kong   '90 HONDA PC800  red  <-- Little Wing  *
  *                  Aux. Police           Yeh, Wing front look and spoiler  *
  *      101177 <-- the only GWRRA    '95 HONDA GL1500SE    <-- Chrome!      *
  *                  member in HK          The flooded bike                  *
  *                                                                          *
  *  Police Training School taught :   HONDA   CBX750       <-- Police       *
  *  " I have the honour to be, Sir,   YAMAHA  Diversion 600<--    work      *
  *       your obedient servant!"      HONDA   CBX250       <--       bike   *
  *                                                                          *
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Will work for gas & chrome.  I have two Wings, and a baby Wing at home. *
  ****************************************************************************


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To: cklass@attmail.com
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Carb Balance
From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 23:06:36 EST

I don't see how you could synchronize two carbs with one gauge.  
Synchronization ensures that both carbs are pulling the same vacuum at
the same time.  I got a set of dual gauges with the tubes and connections
for $20 from J.C. Whitney, that seem to work OK for me - after some help
from this list for the hook-up, especially from Bryce Ulrich.  All ads
I've seen sell them either as sets of two or four.

Richard Hardy, San Diego
"Aka Neko"   RAHardy@juno.com


On Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:54:07 +0000 cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M
KLASS) writes:
>I am going to balance my carbs in a month or so when it warms up.  I 
>read that 
>some of you paid $70 for the vaccuum gauge.  I was at Pep Boys the 
>other day 
>and they have a single dial, mercuray vacuum gauge that it says is 
>for, amoung 
>other thing, carb balancing.  It came with all the tubing and 
>connectors.  
>AND, it was only $20!  Has anybody tried one like this?  Or does 
>anyone know 
>if it is ok for me to use this one?
>
>Chris Klass
>--
>Visit the PC800 web page at <URL:http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800/>
>To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of 
>a
>message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu.
>To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu.
>


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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 00:54:28 -0800
From: "Stephen A. Churchill" <schrchll@INETWORLD.NET>
To: Abbey Perez <aperez@pecorp.com>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: High Maintenance Beemers

Abbey Perez wrote:
Could any one take the time a write an e-mail describing step by step
procedure on how to install progressive springs in the front forks of a
PC800? Thanks 
Abbey (37 years riding iron horses) 
PS: A month a go my garage burned down with 5 BMW's and I decided to get
a PC800 and say the hell with brand loyalty on a cycle that requires a
lot of maintenance.
-- 
>From the sounds of what you have written in some of your past postings
you could tell all us a bit about cycle maintenance. You gave some very
technical(or so it seemed to me)replies.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
         Steve Churchill
       Oceanside California
     1989 Pacific Coast 800
        "Dovebar Dual"
   36,000 miles and counting
        Peace Be With You
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


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From: "Vince Santamaria" <vsantam@eccrs.edison.cc.fl.us>
To: "Abbey Perez" <aperez@pecorp.com>, "PC800" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Progressive Springs
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 09:25:24 -0500

I need the instructions also since I have ordered  Progressive springs.
Also it would be a good time to change the fork oil. Any suggestions on
type and weight of oil?

 pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 10:26:43 CST
 20 Feb 1997 11:19 -0500 (EST)

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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:16:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Barry Shaffer <bshaffer@cce.cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Rifle's new Deal!!!
To: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

Phil;
Thanks for the effort. Do you have the phone # for Cycle Design? Is
everybody canceling with Rifle? I haven't canceled yet but leaning towards
that option.

Barry Shaffer      		              (716) 679-3185
Grape Farm Mgmt.Specialist		  Fax (716) 679-3122
412 E. Main St.   	      email:bshaffer@cce.cornell.edu
Fredonia, NY 14063      		      CENET:bshaffer


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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:44:23 -0500
From: Roger Prince <roger@etgn14.webo.dg.com>
To: Barry Shaffer <bshaffer@cce.cornell.edu>
Cc: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Rifle's new Deal!!!

Barry Shaffer wrote:
> 
> Phil;
> Thanks for the effort. Do you have the phone # for Cycle Design? Is
> everybody canceling with Rifle? I haven't canceled yet but leaning towards
> that option.
> 

Cycle Design
Phillipston, MA

508 249-2244
800 343-1374
FAX 508 249-2109

Roger Prince


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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 18:33:57 +0100 (MET)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Gerard Diepeveen <pcn@dsv.nl>
Subject: PC800 for CorelDRAW

Dear listers, I have a ColerDRAW 4.0 (or higher version) file of a pc800
that can be altered in any way.
Today I have placed it on our pictures page in ZIP(9977 bytes) or ARJ(9978
bytes) format for you to download.
You can change all of the colors, maybe it's interesting for all of you, so
for all CorelDRAW users take a look and download it.

If you like to submit your pictures, story or tips and trics send them to me
by e-mail, or send your photographs to my address and I will scan them
(pictures please in JPG format, please keep in mind that file sizes should
not be bigger than 75Kb) my self, and will return them.

My address:
G.Diepeveen
Abelenlaan 30
3181 WE  Rozenburg
The Netherlands

Best regards,
Gerard Diepeveen, Pacific Coast Netherlands
--------------------------------00---------------------
Gerard Diepeveen		'89 White
Pacific Coast Netherlands
E-Mail: pcn@dsv.nl or gerard@dsv.nl
O-PC-O:-) "May the Pacific Coast be with you"
Visit the Honda Pacific Coast Netherlands:
http://www.dsv.nl/~pcn/
------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 12:01:00 -0800
From: "Bruce Modlin" <bruce.modlin@firstdatacorp.com>
Subject: 89 PC800 FOR SALE
To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu

     
     I am back on the list again, have better access now.  AOL and modems
     suck!
     
     Thinking about upgrading to the next step , a used ST1100.
     
     Im looking on the net for a 93 or newer, abs-tcs preferred for 
     under 10K.
     
     Which means I need to sell my trusty 89 PC800, 12K miles, tall Honda
     windshield, backrest, built in intercom/stereo setup, helmets with
     speakers and mics - all stereo setups are built for 2 people. Never
     been dropped, new Metzler rubber.  $3500   Im in Omaha, NE and can
     deliver if needed.
     
     email me at Bruce.Modlin@firstdatacorp.com


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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 13:52:25 EST
From: James Hyder <jhyder@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Design Parameters

Guys, 
 
Since I don't subscribe to any motorcycle mags anymore, I haven't seen any 
pictures of the '97 PC800. Are there any out there on the Web somewhere? 
 
--James Hyder 
  Columbia, MD 
  1989 PC800, 25K+ miles


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From: Akoell@aol.com
	  by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id PAA22562 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Thu, 20 Feb 1997 15:32:00 -0500 (EST)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 15:32:00 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Riding partners

Would like to find other PC
owners around or in the Central 
Jersey area.


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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 14:06:38 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: Barry Shaffer <bshaffer@cce.cornell.edu>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Rifle's new Deal!!!

Barry Shaffer wrote:
> 
> Phil;
> Thanks for the effort. Do you have the phone # for Cycle Design? Is
> everybody canceling with Rifle? 

Hi Barry!

I've cancelled my order with Rifle, and I know a lot others have done
the same.  It's too bad, he could have had 15 or 20 orders, and now I
think he won't get much at all.  I guess they still O.K. if they just
sell to the dealers, though.  

I'm copying that note that Gary Wilson sent a while back, with the Phone
numbers, etc.

Take care,

Phil

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Gary Wilson wrote:
> > 
> > ok, here it is again, the cycle design deal:
> > you can order a 25 or 27 or 29 inch shield from them for 140.00.  add 8.00
> > for shipping.  i'm certain colors are extra.  doug at cycle will ship to you
> > direct.  he'll take a check or credit card.  i suppose if he gets 4 people he
> > can get that discount.  so the first four then the next four etc.  reference
> > me or our pc group and he can account for the tally.  doug's number is 508
> > 249-2244.  they have an 800 # also 800 343-1374 (i think).  if you can't
> > get doug, leave a message; he calls back.
> > any other questions talk to doug.


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From: Radrider5@aol.com
	  by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id RAA03781;
	  Thu, 20 Feb 1997 17:09:25 -0500 (EST)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 17:09:25 -0500 (EST)
To: cklass@attmail.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC 800

Thank you all for your response to my querry.  I currently ride a 1995
R100RT.  
                                                    Stan


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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 17:58:58 -0500
From: "Gary E. Klim" <garyklim@snet.net>
To: Vince Santamaria <vsantam@eccrs.edison.cc.fl.us>
CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Progressive Springs

Vince Santamaria wrote:

> Also it would be a good time to change the fork oil. Any suggestions on
> type and weight of oil?

Replace the OEM "Fish Oil" with the 10 weight of your choice. You will
notice a definite improvement in ride quality. Be forewarned: there are
*NO* drain plugs for the fork oil. If you search the archives (July,
Aug?) you will find my complete step by step dissertation on the
subject...

gk
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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@MICROSOFT.com>
To: "'GEwing@worldnet.att.net'" <GEwing@worldnet.att.net>,
        "'Pacific Coast ListServ'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: Corbin Seats or Boxer Shorts ?
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 16:50:30 -0800

The PC800 Corbin is not a better cushion by any means.  It's benefit comes 
from a more contoured and supportive design.  First time you'll seen one 
you may be amazed to find it's nearly rock hard.  Results vary by rider but 
many have found (including myself) the support to be a major advantage, 
especially for long rides.  The lack of padding is no longer and issue when 
the saddle fits.  The passenger seat and backrest, in particular, are a big 
improvement according to my co-riders.  In my experience the movable lumbar 
support primarily has helped with holding me in the seat, preventing me 
from sliding forward/back when riding aggressively.

Same goes for the Corbin saddle on my VFR.  Looks damn good too IMHO.

-bryceu

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Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558
Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA
'89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T"
AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140
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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@MICROSOFT.com>
To: "'Honda Pacific Coast Internet List (E-mail)'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: Design Parameters
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 17:16:56 -0800

The PC800 is a great example of how Honda makes a great all around bike 
without any glaring negatives or superior features.  In other words, it's 
greatness comes from it's overall design, not any particular component 
(though the trunk may be an exception).

I think the PC was intended for the touring side of the sport touring 
market.  Better said, it was supposed to be the yuppie commuter bike.  The 
trunk can carry a change of clothes plus groceries (or hardware store stuff 
like tools <g>), the body work is sleek and easy to clean, and the rider is 
offered a comfortable, protected and smooth ride.  What hurt sales early on 
was the high price and odd looks (something only we can appreciate fully). 

But times and tastes have changed so Honda brought the bike back in '93. 
 Today you'll find the PC popping up in a variety of niches - police bikes, 
airport taxes (Europe), traffic reporters, touring riders, sport/touring 
riders, and definitely a lot of commuters.

Many seem to find themselves riding a PC for the simple reason it's one of 
the best all-around bikes you could have.  If you could have just one bike 
for fun riding, touring, commuting, low maintenance and dependability then 
the PC is an excellent choice.

At least that's why I got a PC800.  \"/

-bryceu

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Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558
Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA
'89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T"
AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140
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From: cscales@haywire.csuhayward.edu
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 17:57:56 -0800
To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Rifle's new Deal!!!

just a comment on the whole rifle deal...
I was eager to get a new rifle windscreen...however, the deal sounded
like we had to pull teeth from them to get a decent discount.  I was
holding off to see if a better price would come from the negotiations. 
I think that rifle is being arrogant in being so tight with working the
deal.  We all know that there aren't that many pc owners out there so, I
would have thought that the opportunity for rifle to get a large group
of orders at one time would be a great opportunity for them.  Of course
it would have been good for them in terms of the cash, but twice so
because of the good will it would have generated. So, not to bore
you...but I thought their attitude was bad...I don't know if I would buy
anything from rifle now.
that's my two cents.
chris scales


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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 17:10:21 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: RE: Design Parameters

At 17:16 2/20/97 -0800, Bryceu wrote:

>I think the PC was intended for the touring side of the sport touring 
>market.  Better said, it was supposed to be the yuppie commuter bike.

Belive it or not, Honda marketed the PC as a "Sport Cruiser", whatever
the heck that is :-)

Juan
"The best long distance runners eat raw meat, run naked and sleep in the snow"
						  -- from an Alaska Airlines ad
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Juan A. Goula				'90 Honda PC800
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences	'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX
University of Alaska Fairbanks		'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat
(907)474-5520				AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@MICROSOFT.com>
To: "'rahardy@juno.com'" <rahardy@juno.com>,
        "'cklass@attmail.com'"
	 <cklass@attmail.com>
Cc: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: Carb Balance
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 17:00:33 -0800

Well I'm not sure if I wrote out the description of the carb synch 
procedure or if I just forwarded someone else's.  I looked through my 
archives and found this post by Gary Klim.

Enjoy!

-bryceu

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Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558
Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA
'89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T"
AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140
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From:	Gary E. Klim [SMTP:garyklim@SNET.Net]
Sent:	Saturday, July 06, 1996 5:08 PM
To:	jhyder@erols.com
Cc:	PC-800 E-Mail Group
Subject:	Re: Carb Sync (and misc observations...)

jhyder@erols.com wrote:
> Although I have a 4-column mercury synch tool, the last time
> I used it was probably about a decade ago on a previous bike, never on 
the
> PC.  So I'm not clear on exactly how to do it, how to use that vacuum 
pump
> (do you really need it?) and so on.

The Honda Common Service Manual can be quite useful when the guy who wrote 
the Model Specific service manual didn't feel like explaining a 
procedure...(I hope I didn't pay $54 for mine, can't remember) Anyway, 
while it's still fresh in my mind, here's what you do:
1)	Remove enough bodywork to allow faux gas tank to be removed.
2)	Hang Carb Sync tool from clutch lever (Personal preference...)
3)	Remove petcock vacuum hose (The end attached to the carb, not the end 
attached to the petcock)
4)	Attach vacuum pump to this vacuum hose. Draw about 10 - 15 in. of 
vacuum. (This number is not critical, we just want gas to reach the carbs) 
The vacuum pump should easily rest on the seat or in the gas tank overfill 
tray.
5)	Attach one hose from Carb Sync tool to fitting that you removed petcock 
hose from.
6)	Attach another hose from Carb Sync tool to the vacuum hose fitting on 
the other carb. (This is on the opposite side from the petcock fitting. It 
is a short length of vacuum hose with an adapter attached to it. Remove the 
plug on the end of this adapter and attach your Carb Sync hose here. 
 Thank-you Honda.)
Side-bar Comment: If this were a 3 or more cylinder engine, we would want 
to know which hose of the Carb Sync tool was connected to the "Base" carb. 
The "Base" carb is the one to which you adjust all other cylinders to. 
i.e.: It has no adjustment of its' own. The PC being a twin, we really 
don't care, although you will be able to tell which is the "Base" once you 
start actually doing the Sync. FYI: Rear cylinder is "Base".
7.	Find a *LONG* #2 Phillips screwdriver.
8.	8)	See that oval hole in the center rear of the airbox cover? Shine a 
   flashlight in there and look for a Phillips/slotted adjustment screw. 
This is your carb sync adjustment. Use a Phillips as it will not slide out 
of  engagement with the screw.
9.	9)	Disclaimer Time: Open garage door! Start engine and let reach 
operating   temp. (Once warm, I use a 12" fan aimed at the radiator so the 
fan on the bike doesn't run as often)
10.	10)Set idle at 1200 rpm.
11.	11)Adjust carb sync screw until vacuum differential between cylinders 
is as
12.	small as possible. (For those who just have to know, Honda says within 
   20 mm is good and 40 mm is the upper limit)
13.	12)Things they don't tell you:(Remove screwdriver) Bring engine up to 
about
14.	4000 rpm and hold it steady at this speed. Vacuum differential should 
    be between 20 mm and 40 mm (Mine is closer to 20 mm, yours may vary 
      slightly)
15.	13)More things they don't tell you: Bring engine speed back to idle 
*SLOWLY*
16.	because if you chop the throttle quickly, the sudden increase in vacuum 
  could possibly draw mercury into the cylinders. If it's not good for 
     tuna...never mind.
17.	14)Now put it all back together and log it in your maintenance book. 
You do
18.	keep track of these things, don't you???
19.	15)When reassembling, *Double Check* all vacuum connections have been 
20.	reestablished. An unattached vacuum line could cause the engine to run 
   lean enough for unpleasant things to happen. (Norm says: "measure twice, 
 etc.")


Well, that's it. Sorry it's so lengthy, but better too much detail than not 
enough. Good luck.
gk
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From:	rahardy@juno.com [SMTP:rahardy@juno.com]
Sent:	Wednesday, February 19, 1997 8:07 PM
To:	cklass@attmail.com
Cc:	pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject:	Re: Carb Balance

I don't see how you could synchronize two carbs with one gauge.
Synchronization ensures that both carbs are pulling the same vacuum at
the same time.  I got a set of dual gauges with the tubes and connections
for $20 from J.C. Whitney, that seem to work OK for me - after some help
from this list for the hook-up, especially from Bryce Ulrich.  All ads
I've seen sell them either as sets of two or four.

Richard Hardy, San Diego
"Aka Neko"   RAHardy@juno.com


On Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:54:07 +0000 cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M
KLASS) writes:
>I am going to balance my carbs in a month or so when it warms up.  I
>read that
>some of you paid $70 for the vaccuum gauge.  I was at Pep Boys the
>other day
>and they have a single dial, mercuray vacuum gauge that it says is
>for, amoung
>other thing, carb balancing.  It came with all the tubing and
>connectors.
>AND, it was only $20!  Has anybody tried one like this?  Or does
>anyone know
>if it is ok for me to use this one?
>
>Chris Klass
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 21:36:22 -0500
From: Doug Powell <dpowell@surfsouth.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Rifle's new Deal!!!

...but I thought their attitude was bad...I don't know if I would buy
> anything from rifle now.
> that's my two cents.
> chris scales

Ditto that for me, I have already cancelled my order and have talked to 
Mark(Doug was busy) at cycle design about ordering from them. Mark 
did'nt seem to know all the details so I'm going to call him back 
tomorrow after he gets with Doug. He did however quote me a price of 
around $153.00 plus shipping...this was before I explained the 148.00 
deal we had talked about...Is this their regular price? I explained 
about having four orders and he is going to get with Doug tommorrow but 
even the quoted price beats the hell out of the almighty Rifle deal.

BTW, I am willing to wait if I need to for the four orders if anyone is 
interested in joining in.


SeeeeYaaaaaa,

Doug


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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 06:12:58 -0500
From: "Gary E. Klim" <garyklim@snet.net>
To: Ray Nielsen <rnielsen@isd.net>
CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Progressive Springs

Ray Nielsen wrote:
 
> Gotta argue with you a bit re: "fish oil" in forks. None of the Japanese
> makers have used fish based oils since the early 1980s.

Please note quotation marks around "fish oil".

The OEM fluid that came out of my PC had about 1,000 miles on it. One
would expect to see the haze of "break in" particles suspended in the
fluid, but the oil shouldn't look like used engine oil with the
consistency of "3 in 1" oil.

Whatever they use as OEM is probably not the same as what you buy off
the shelf at your dealer. This has been the case with the last 5 or so
bikes I've had. (three 94s, one '96 and a '91 - all bought new)

> If you can't locate that article, I'll send a treatise on how to do the job
> -- it begins with the front end disassembled; lots of work on a PC.

For those interested in the epic of Biblical proportions on how to
remove the forks on a PC, search the archives. You have been warned. ;)
________________________________________________________________________
Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut    garyklim@snet.net
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From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com
	  by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id GAA20357 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Fri, 21 Feb 1997 06:18:46 -0500 (EST)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 06:18:46 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Waldo's PC

Hi Waldo:

Sorry for posting this to the list, but I didn't save your post regarding the
sale of your PC and don't have your direct email address handy.  

There is a fellow here in Clarksville, TN that may be interested in it.  I
gave him your phone number--he doesn't have a computer; so, he can't get to
you via email.  He left a message for you, but so far hasn't heard from you.
 Is your PC still available?  If so, his name is Bob Crabtree; his phone is
615 553-8389, and he would like to talk with you about it.  If you don't want
to call him, I could relay a message for you.

JT

          Fri, 21 Feb 1997 8:24:36 -0500 (EST)

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:26:08 -0600
To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Waldo  E. Meeks" <wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu>
Subject: Re: Waldo's PC


>Hi Waldo:

>
>There is a fellow here in Clarksville, TN that may be interested in it.  I
>gave him your phone number--he doesn't have a computer; so, he can't get to
>you via email.  He left a message for you, but so far hasn't heard from you.
> Is your PC still available?  If so, his name is Bob Crabtree; his phone is
>615 553-8389, and he would like to talk with you about it.  If you don't want
>to call him, I could relay a message for you.

Thanks you.  There is a very lucky gentleman and his wife from Lawrenceburg,
TN that will be picking up the bike package on Saturday.  Thanks to all who
responded and if you are ever   riding anywhere along the Blue Ridge Parkway
just reach out and give a big wave to WALDO.  I will be there. Just know
that I am waving back.

Waldo


==============================
Dr. Waldo E. Meeks
Manufacturing Program Coordinator/
  Professor - Industrial Management
Allen E. Paulson College of Science and Technology
LB# 8047
Georgia Southern University
Statesboro, GA 30460
(912)681-5828
FAX (912)871-1853
==============================

  (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>); Sat, 22 Feb 1997 07:38:35 +1000

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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 07:38:35 +1000
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: ultspnch@ecn.net.au (Ronald Grant)
Subject: Design parameters....

I think you guys have it ALL wrong. When people stop me to ask about my Pc ( 
which, by the way, NONE have ever seen before, and are ALL told it is a 
Cadillac Prototype, which is EASY to believe 'cause I removed all the Honda 
and put a nice Caddy wreath on the trunk), I tell them that the company 
locked 20 engineers in a room and told them they could not come out until 
they had designed a m/c that....
  1) Looked unbelievably SEXY....and
  2) Had enclosed luggage space.


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From: "Jeff Hopkins" <hopkinsj@telepath.com>
To: <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>, "Ronald Grant" <ultspnch@ecn.net.au>
Subject: Re: Design parameters....
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 16:18:31 -0600

A buddy of mine took off all the emblems and put the Mercedes emblem on the
trunk.  People were chasing my down wanting to know how to get a Mercedes
Benz
MC



----------
> From: Ronald Grant <ultspnch@ecn.net.au>
> To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
> Subject: Design parameters....
> Date: Friday, February 21, 1997 3:38 PM
> 
> I think you guys have it ALL wrong. When people stop me to ask about my
Pc ( 
> which, by the way, NONE have ever seen before, and are ALL told it is a 
> Cadillac Prototype, which is EASY to believe 'cause I removed all the
Honda 
> and put a nice Caddy wreath on the trunk), I tell them that the company 
> locked 20 engineers in a room and told them they could not come out until

> they had designed a m/c that....
>   1) Looked unbelievably SEXY....and
>   2) Had enclosed luggage space.
> 
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 17:07:36 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Tenzo Driving Lights

Hi There! 

Well, no more night riding problems for me!!

I just finished installing my Tenzo driving lights
(http://www.qni.com/~ppi/pages/prices.htm) last night and I have to say
that they are GREAT!!

I always thought that I had enough light with the sweeping beam of the
PC's headlight, but I mounted the Tenzos low (see them at
http://www.concentric.net/~Pilewis1/pcphotos/PCRPHOT4.HTM) and now the
whole road is lit up.  I went out last night for a test ride, and I
couldn't believe the difference.

I highly recommend this addition. I also want to compliment Jeff
Knights, who sent my lights within just a few days.  The kit includes
good instructions and everything you need to install the lights.  There
is actually a lot more wire than is needed on a bike, so I did a lot
cutting and splicing, and had a lot of left over wire.  Better too much
than not enough!! :)

I'll try and get some night pics on my web pages later.

Ride long and prosper,

Phil
So. Cal.


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From: cscales@haywire.csuhayward.edu
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 20:33:38 -0800
To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Tenzo Driving Lights

Great job, Phil!!!  How did you mount them????  
Was aiming the beam a big deal??  
How do they work??  

they look really sharp!!!

chris scales


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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 21:14:47 -0800
From: Dave Gross <dkgross@halcyon.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Rifle cancellations

well..I certianly hope I don't piss anyone off..

I'm rather dissapointed in the rapid mad dash AWAY from what I felt was
a good faith deal put up on part of Rifle. Sure...$ is $, and a few
bucks saved here and there is a good thing (as well as is the spirit of
good ol' american capitalism).

But, watching this list grow and develop over the course of a few weeks,
then watching Rifle add to it's discount, only to see it go by the
wayside and people quickly jumping ship... because of a slightly better
offer..well.....

I'm not exactly sure what I'm trying to say here gang.  I feel that
Rifle put forth a good faith effort and discount based on potential
orders which THEY based on the list we sent them.  And, sure, the other
company is offering a nice deal too.  Just seems to me not a good way to
do business on our part.

or maybe I'm just sulking because I paid FULL price for mine...although
I love it so...

I need a nap
-- 

Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, AKC
http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross


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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 23:15:10 -0600
From: Krud <krud@io.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
CC: krud@io.com
Subject: Stator and Fuel Gauge

Asking PC800 owners:

What's with Honda's problem with the STATOR's,  I had to replace the
battery twice before I figured it was this costly part. Has Honda
confirmed they had a design issue or date code related problem?

Another question I have is:  Is they a simple way to correct
the fuel level gauge reading, It shows the tank empty and I still
have 2 gal. to use.  What's the easy fix and what parts are req'd?

Thanks in advance.
Regards, Mark Kiedrowski   PC800 - 1989
Austin TX


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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 17:33:10 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: dkgross@halcyon.com
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Rifle cancellations

Dave Gross wrote:
> 
> well..I certianly hope I don't piss anyone off..
> 
> I'm rather dissapointed in the rapid mad dash AWAY from what I felt was
> a good faith deal put up on part of Rifle.

Hi Dave!

I kinda' think that I should explain my point of view with Rifle, since
I sorta started this whole deal.

I had a total of two phone conversations with Gary Gatel of Rifle, and 2
e-mails.  You've all seen the e-mails, but what came across on the phone
was a little disappointing.  Gary was generally very curt and matter of
fact.  I was in sales for several years and I never treated my customers
that way.  He finally did agree on the discount when I sent him the list
of about 18 names; but when I called him to ask about delivery times, he
said, very abruptly, "it's been a week and I expected a lot more orders
by now!"  That was about all he said, and then, about an hour or so
later, the last e-mail came through cancelling the 30% discount!!  

I guess bottom line, for me, is that I got the impression that he felt
he has a product that no one can live without.  For me, that is not good
business.  If he would have been polite on the phone, and explained that
he just wasn't able to give us the discount for various reasons, and
asked us to consider buying his product at somewhat less of a discount,
I'd, personally, feel differently.  But instead, he sent out an e-mail
which, to me, read like an ultimatum of "take it or leave it!"

Anyway, that's why I cancelled my order, and why I'm not ordering the
Rifle Windshied from anyone, at this time.

I hope that kind of explains what happened.  BTW, I don't think I'll be
trying to arrange anything like that again!!

Thanks for listening,

Phil Lewis
So. Cal.


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From: cscales@haywire.csuhayward.edu
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 21:54:01 -0800
To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Rifle cancellations

in response to Phil:
Anyway, that's why I cancelled my order,
and why I'm not ordering the
Rifle Windshied from anyone, at this time.

I hope that kind of explains what happened.
BTW, I don't think I'll be
trying to arrange anything like that
again!!

---------------->my two cents continued:
First of all,
Let us all thank you Phil for going to the trouble of putting the deal
together.  I appreciate, as I am sure we all do, you coming up with a
great idea and then following through with it.  
I don't blame you in any way for a lousy attitude had by Rifle.
All any of us wanted was a nicer windshield for our bikes.  
So in short, THANKS PHIL!!!!! WE APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU DID!!!  :-)>

Second, 
The Rifle Company:  Is this the classic case of generating "bad will"
among potential customers???
We are all scattered across the country, obviously able to communicate
with a great deal of motorcycle loving fools, have enough money to spend
on extras....and Rifle wants to turn it's nose up on 30 orders???!!!
What nerve!  
I don't know if there is a Mr. Rifle (owner of the company) but, i think
he should know that he just gained a group of cheesed off customers.

at least one (me)

the end of my two cents.

chris scales (I'm in the last qtr. of my Business degree so I am
passionate about the subject)

Keep the shiny side up!!!!


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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 22:17:45 -0800
From: Johan Lai <jlai@filenet.com>
To: cscales@haywire.csuhayward.edu
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Rifle cancellations

You know, I've been quite happy with my Hondaline tall windshield so
I've kinda just watched from the sidelines with the Rifle deal.
I was almost tempted enough to join in to get a spare but I still
have a spare I bought from Dr. Meeks in GA.

It's not that I've gotten to know Phil personally and I'm biased
in saying this (and if I am I wouldn't apologize for it since Phil's
become a good friend of mine) but I'd have to agree with Chris and 
Phil and others about Rifle's attitude.  It did seem rough to me 
the way Gary handled the situation.  What does he expect from a 
customer?  I think even 18 referals ought to be impressive for 
any business from just one customer, in such short amount of time, 
and across such geographic locations.  It would have changed my 
feelings a little had his email read a little cordial.  It sounded
like an ultimatum to me too.  Maybe he felt threaten that a customer
is bringing more orders than himself and screw up his quota?
Just my $.02.

Johan Lai
Orange, CA
'89 "Cassandra"


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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 18:46:06 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: cscales@haywire.csuhayward.edu
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Tenzo Driving Lights

cscales@haywire.csuhayward.edu wrote:
> 
> Great job, Phil!!!  How did you mount them????
> Was aiming the beam a big deal??
> How do they work??

Hi Chris!

I'll answer the Third question first!! :)  They work GREAT!!  The switch
is a relay type that is flat; it requires no space underneath, which is
good, because I mounted it on the right side removeable plastic cover by
the handle bars, and there is not much room to work in that area.  I
only had to drill a very small hole (between 1/8 and 1/4 inch) for the
relay wires to go through.  There are three very small wires which go to
the relay switch, and they are covered and bundled in black tubing.  I
ran the wire bundle down to the right side of the bike where all my
other wires from all of my other mods are located.  (I'll put those on
my web page later, if you're not bored to tears already!!)

The halogen lights, as you can see, I mounted directly on the guard
covers.  The lights are very light and really easy to mount there. 
Aiming, as you might expect, is the most difficult part.  The lights are
mounted on a double stick, thin rubber gasket, and then screwed on for
permanent attachment.  As you can imagine, once it's stuck, IT'S
STUCK!!  I was out in front of my house, bike pointed down the street,
for quite awhile, trying to get the perfect alignment and overlap.  It's
terrible when you're fussy and looking for just the right illumination. 
I finally gave up, getting it perfect, and just peeled of the backings
from the sticky gasket and pressed........... I was surprised that I got
it just about where I wanted it.  Once you've got the horizontal done,
you can always adjust the vertical because of the swivel.

One word of caution, these lights pull quite a bit of power, and the PC
at idle, will not keep the battery charged!  My battery was just about
dead when I was done aiming!! Fortunately, I have a good automatic
battery charger, and pumped it back up right away.  I keep my battery
charged up with the charger a lot, because sometimes I don't ride as
often as I'd like!

I hope I didn't use a thousand words to explain that one picture.

Take Care,

Phil


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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 02:51:48 -0800
From: Dave Gross <dkgross@halcyon.com>
To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Rifle cancellations

mmm...guess I missed that thread.  there's no excuse for treating your
customers badly.  My clients/customers are my life blood.  Sound's like
the guy just had a bad day...or he's an idiot :>)

as an aside..I wouldn't let one moron disuade you from otherwise
purchasing a wonderful product.  I had some trouble with my shield when
I first got one, and found that the staff was OVERLY helpful in
resolving my problems.....

dave


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From: cscales@haywire.csuhayward.edu
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 03:01:30 -0800
To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Tenzo Driving Lights

Thanks for the info Phil!
I think I'll take that Rifle money and go buy new lights!!

Ps:  My compliments to you on your bike, when mine grows up it wants to
look as sharp as yours.

chris

          by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4)
	  id JAA03488 for <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>; Sat, 22 Feb 1997 09:09:41 -0600 (CST)

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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 09:09:41 -0600 (CST)
From: greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers )
Subject: Clutch that won't disengage
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

Well, at 6:00 am on a Saturday, this incredibly dedicated employee was 
headed out the door to go to work for the sixth time this week. The 
only thing that makes it worthwhile is that I ride my bike on 
Saturdays.  Unfortunately, the PC seemed VERY hard to get out of the 
garage with the clutch in.  It appears that, although it disengages 
somewhat, it is very definitely not entirely disengaged.  I can 
generally go between first and neutral, but above that requires rocking 
the bike.  Definite problem.  

Due to my work schedule and the fact that I've put 1,000 miles on the 
bike (I bought it with 2,000 miles on it in December), I thought I'd 
let the dealer do my first oil change.  (I hope the original owner did 
the 600 mile change).  For whatever reason, the dealer also changed the 
shaft oil.  That was YESTERDAY, and now my clutch doesn't work.  I 
don't think he touched it, but....   

I did, however, manage to ride home last night with no shifting 
problems, and that's 56 miles of varying speed Los Angeles freeway.  

Any ideas?  The fluid level is fine.  How does one bleed air out, or do 
I need to see a dealer (closer to home).  I'll have to check the 
archives tonight, since I now have to get in my big clunky car and 
DRIVE to the office.  BLECH!! This is no way to start a Saturday when 
the other PC owners in Southern California are about to meet for 
breakfast and ride out to Palm Springs!  My Mommy told me life isn't 
always fair.  

Greg


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From: Indianridr@aol.com
	  by emout01.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id LAA06200 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Sat, 22 Feb 1997 11:25:14 -0500 (EST)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 11:25:14 -0500 (EST)
To: Radrider5@aol.com
cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Design Parameters

In a message dated 97-02-19 11:41:42 EST, you write:

<< Hello Everyone, 
     I've just started monitoring this list because I'm thinking of selling
my
 BMW and buying a PC800.  I was hoping to get some opinions from current
 owners.  I decided to jump in when Michael Brown commented the '97 PC is
less
 for more.  Why is that.  Just what is the down side to PC ownership?  How
 reliable are they for long trips?
                       Stan Amero   radrider5@aol.com  >>

Having been a BMW rider for years (still owning a couple old ones), and a PC
owner as well, I will tell you that the PC is a wonderful motorcycle.  What
it lacks in character, by comparison to the Beemers, it makes up for in pure
"non-worry".  The bike is dead reliable (is that an oximoron?), comfortable
and well thought out.  Assuming that you have been riding a BMW twin, I
believe that you will find the performance comparable (especially torque).
 Maintenance-wise, the Honda is as close to maintenance-free as it gets,
while the BMW requires valve adjustments and carb synchronization on a
somewhat regular basis.  The PC also starts easier than any BMW I've ever
owned.  The Honda, for its size, handles very well, is quite stable and is
suitable for long distance touring.  It was our choice as a full-faired
replacement of our BMW.

On the downside (in my personal opinion), the bike has too many buzzy plastic
bits -- especially around the dash/fairing area -- that are, unless
identified and secured in a more sufficient manner, somewhat of an annoyance.
 The tour "trunk" is spacious, but is the extent of your storage area.  There
is no luggage rack available, nor is it easy to attach a tank bag.  I added
the rear passenger backrest just to have another place to strap things to.
 The engine sounds more like a golf cart than a motorcycle; I keep expecting
it to just quit running everytime I stop at a traffic light, then simply
restart when I twist the throttle ;^).  

Overall, I doubt that you would be disappointed with the Honda. 

If you would like to know more about my personal PC800 vs. BMW opinions or
experiences, please don't hesitate to e-mail me directly.

Eric Trow
Indianridr@aol.com


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From: Indianridr@aol.com
	  by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id LAA11779;
	  Sat, 22 Feb 1997 11:31:12 -0500 (EST)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 11:31:12 -0500 (EST)
To: tzedak@hudsoncnsl.win.net
cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: 12 month club

In a message dated 97-02-19 12:52:51 EST, you write:

<< Also, are there any other members of the 12 month club????  To qualify you
 have to live in a climatically challenged environment. I have ridden in
 Dec, 96    Jan 1st of '97   and twice so far in Feb.   97    the first part
 of the month and RIGHT NOW.....
 
 Just asking...
 
 Z
  >>

Here in Southwestern PA, my buddies and I have made a pact to ride at least
once every month through the winter.  Each of these rides was to be a minimum
of 100 miles.  We have been more than successful with a couple our November
and December rides being between 250 and 300 miles.  I have had the PC out
regularly this winter with rides from around 28-degrees thru low seventies
(yesterday, a new record high temp) in both rain and snow.  There's something
very invigorating about riding when everything around you (other than the
road) is white!  Just be careful about those curves with cinders and salt!!!

Later

Eric Trow


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Date: 22 Feb 97 11:35:57 EST
From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM>
To: HondaPacificCoastOwners <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Group purchases

I think that there's another side to group purchases. I've heard a number of
unfavorable coments about Gold Wing owners wanting to band together to get group
purchases, even to buying bikes! Years ago, when I was mounting my own tires, I
used to get them from mail-order sources. In recent years I now have them
mounted and balanced at the shop, so that's where I buy them. Gee, compared to
other motorcycles, the PC needs very little maintenance. Why is it that many
folks are violently opposed to paying retail? I take a discount if a dealer
offers it to me, but I don't beg him for it. Air cleaner elements - replaced
every 25,000 miles! So...if you find a guy with a discount, fine. If not...don't
worry about it! Just remember that dealers and manufacturers have a limited
market compared to autmomobiles, and they have to make a profit to keep the
doors open. In recent years, lots of them have closed their doors! I get a small
discount from my dealer, which he offers...that's fine! When I tell you that
I've bought six Saturns, you'll understand that I ain't so violently opposed to
paying retail! And...I ain't wealthy! One way or another, you get (or not get)
what you pay for! I am not interested in group purchases...I'll work out my own
deals, and be happy with them! After all. I'll have no one to blame but me!

Dana Sawyer


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From: Indianridr@aol.com
	  by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id LAA29645;
	  Sat, 22 Feb 1997 11:42:29 -0500 (EST)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 11:42:29 -0500 (EST)
To: jhyder@erols.com
cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Design Parameters

In a message dated 97-02-20 15:03:40 EST, you write:

<< Since I don't subscribe to any motorcycle mags anymore, I haven't seen any

 pictures of the '97 PC800. Are there any out there on the Web somewhere?  >>

It looks like a PC800 with a Honda Nighthawk 750 front fork/fender.


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From: ChrisTUBA@aol.com
	  by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id MAA06191 for PC800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Sat, 22 Feb 1997 12:26:02 -0500 (EST)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 12:26:02 -0500 (EST)
To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Luggage Rack--Design Parameters

Hi All!

In reading Eric's description of the PC on the topic of BMW vs. PC800, he
stated this, which isn't exactly true.

<<There is no luggage rack available, nor is it easy to attach a tank bag.  I
added
 the rear passenger backrest just to have another place to strap things
to.rre>>

Correct me if I'm wrong, GIVI owners, but the GIVI rack also serves as a
luggage rack without the topbox, right?

As far as parts go, I believe that you can get the GIVI rack (without topbox)
for about $75.  Granted, you loose the ability to have that backrest, but
nonetheless, a luggage rack is available.

Secondly, about the "buzzy parts," my PC800 has nothing buzzing on it at all.

Just wanted to clarify that.  Thanks.

Chris Russell

1996 PC800--the last of the "self cancelling turn signal" PCs


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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 11:30:29 -0800
From: Robert Steve Delorey <sdelorey@mo.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Daytona

Hi Ya All,
Just returned from a cruise of the Panama Canal. - It was relaxing but 
didn't relieve my "PMS" symptoms. The weather in St. Louis gave me a 
break this week so I did get a couple of rides in. :-)
I'm planning to attend bike week in Daytona. Anybody else going?
Anybody from St. Louis? Any recommendations on accomodations - either 
camping or motel? Hope this doesn't open up a thread that's been beat to 
death already but that's the downside of signing off for a couple of 
weeks. 

Steve
sdelorey@mo.net


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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 13:05:33 -0500
From: "Gary E. Klim" <garyklim@snet.net>
To: Greg Chambers <greg501@ix.netcom.com>
CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Clutch that won't disengage

Greg Chambers wrote:

> It appears that, although it disengages somewhat, it is very definitely not entirely > disengaged... How does one bleed air out, or do I need to see a dealer (closer to > home).  I'll have to check the archives tonight,...

It probably wasn't more than a couple of weeks ago I posted a quick "how
to" for bleeding the clutch master/slave cylinder. Easy job, don't pay a
dealer to do it. Good luck.

gk
________________________________________________________________________
Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut    garyklim@snet.net
________________________________________________________________________


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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 14:02:01 EST
From: James Hyder <jhyder@erols.com>
Subject: Storage space

** Reply to note from Indianridr@aol.com Sat, 22 Feb 1997 11:25:14 -0500 (EST) 
> The tour "trunk" is spacious, but is the extent of your storage area. There 
> is no luggage rack available, nor is it easy to attach a tank bag. 
 
Au contraire!  I easily recycled an old Bagman tank bag that I had grown fond 
of on my previous bikes for use on the PC.  The bag came with a strap harness 
that wrapped around the fuel tank, and remained on while travelling.  The bag 
snapped to the harness at four points.  There were little metal nubbins 
(that's the technical term) on the harness that mated to holes on the 
bag. 
 
To use it on the PC, I simply bought four large plastic suction cups at 
K-Mart, ran the suction cups' hooks through the bag's holes, and crimped the 
hooks shut so they wouldn't come off.  Total investment: less than $5.00. 
The suction cups hold great, haven't come off at speed (a little moisture 
before pushing them down helps), and there's nothing whatsoever left on the 
bike to spoil the lines.  Although other bags might require a little sewing, 
I'm sure many could be adapted this way. 
 
I don't have any pictures of this, but I use the tank bag to hold my portable 
CD player.  Pictures of this setup, with the wireless remote control that I 
"wired" using fiber optic cable are at: 
 
http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800/pc80056.jpg 
 
and all the other shots labelled "Stereo installation series from ?" 
(Ahem, Neill, it's ME!) 
 
--James Hyder 
  Columbia, MD 
  '89 PC800, bought new in '91, 26K+ miles 


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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 14:12:01 EST
From: James Hyder <jhyder@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Re: 12 month club

** Reply to note from Indianridr@aol.com Sat, 22 Feb 1997 11:31:12 -0500 (EST) 
> There's 
> something very invigorating about riding when everything around you (other 
> than the road) is white! Just be careful about those curves with cinders 
> and salt!!!  
  
A friend of mine tells the story of pulling up to a light (in his car) during 
a heavy night snowstorm, with a few inches of slush already on the road.  A 
motorcycle pulls up on his right and he says to his passenger, "That guy's 
crazy!"  Pause for recognition.  "It's James!" 
 
Yes, I had to get back to college that night (an hour's ride in good 
conditions), so I braved the worst conditions I had ever ridden in.  I 
managed it without incident, but I wouldn't try it these days.  Riding in 
snow is one of those things it's more fun to be able to say you've done, than 
to actually do. 
 
--James Hyder 
  Columbia, MD USA 
  '89 PC800, bought new in '91, 26K+ miles 
 
 


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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 15:38:22 -0600
From: Michael Brown <peafire@kdsi.net>
To: pc800 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Throttle Lock

Hello All,

Had been reviewing the archieves for a throttle lock for quite some
time.  Ran across the Throttlemeister post so decided to investigate the
product.  Now have it on my 90 PC.  It is a great product!  All
stainless steel construction with bronze threaded parts that actuate the
lock mechanism.  This is a very good design as bronze parts do not gall
easily or become diffucult to operate.  The interior parts are protected
from the elements by rubber o-rings.  The lock has a very smooth
operation.  The part is CNC produced (from a machining lathe that is
computer controlled) and has a very smooth finish all over.  When
talking to Dell Fisher, he inquired as to the year of my PC.  The bar
ends have a decorative groove 1/8" in width with red paint applied in
the groove.  Very cool!  Don't know if the groove color is coordinated
to the year of cycle or not.  Installation is very east with NO!
modifications required.  Just remove the existing bar end weights and
attach the new end weight and throttle lock.  Existing OEM weights were
16 1/8 onces total weight.  The new Throttlemeister units weighed 20 3/8
onces total.  Cost was $113.00 including shipping.  Love the product! 
If interested - 

Marker Machine Inc.
Throttlemeister
5240 N. 124th St.
Milwaukee, WI 53225

Dell Fisher
ph:414.464.6060 (call after 10:00 AM - Dell isn't ther untill then)
fx:414.464.9423

I could also photograph this product if there is interest in placing it
on the web page.  Just tell me who to send the photo to. 

Michael Brown  "ESCAPN"		peafire@kdsi.net

Thanks for all the interesting responses about the "Design Parameters".

Distilled information becomes condensed knowledge.


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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 19:28:08 -0600
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Mica Landry <micaland@eatel.net>
Subject: Electical problems


	We have been preparing for a 2 week trip to San Diego from New Orleans,
leaving March 5th.  Three weeks ago, I had the local Honda dealer give my
95 PC a once-over.  Besides regular maintenance, there had been an
intermittent problem of the headlights going out suddenly (no warning) and
then functioning properly some time later.  I had one horrific experience
on an unlit rural highway and did not want that to occur on the trip to San
Diego.  The dealer said that the problem occurred once during the bike's
three day stay there, but they couldn't trace the problem because it
corrected itself.
	The whole family was planning a motorcycle tour of local Mardi Gras
parades a week later, when I discovered that my new (OCT 96) battery was
DEAD.  I mean so dead that I needed to jump start it with a truck.  Ran the
bike for an hour, but no luck. Still dead. While everyone else went to the
parades, my bike sat with the battery tender.
Today we had beautiful riding weather here in Louisiana, so I took the PC
out to ride the twisties along some of our backwoods bayous and rivers.
Alas, as we turned in to a coffee shop about 2 hours into the ride, the PC
killed and the battery was dead again.
	Any suggestions about where to start looking for the problem?  The trip is
1 1/2 weeks away and I am nervous about having to jump start the bike every
time we stop for gas.  The lighting problem has not occurred lately, but it
seems that something is grounding or draining the battery.
	Thanks in advance for any help!

Mica Landry
95 PC 800


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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 20:51:42 -0500
From: "Gary E. Klim" <garyklim@snet.net>
To: Mica Landry <micaland@eatel.net>
CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Electical problems

Mica Landry wrote:
> The dealer said that the problem occurred once during the bike's
> three day stay there, but they couldn't trace the problem because it
> corrected itself.

IMHO, find another dealer that will invest the time to trace the fault.
There isn't that much involved with the headlight circuit. Aside from
the obvious things like connector integrity and possible internal
conductor breakage, the only "complex" headlight circuit is the one that
kills the headlight when the starter is engaged. This should be easy
stuff for a dealer that knows what they're doing...

Although primarily a problem with '89 PCs, there's a remote chance of a
stator failure. If the stator is heavily taxed with accessories it will
generate additional heat which can lead to premature breakdown of the
"varnish" which insulates the windings.
________________________________________________________________________
Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut    garyklim@snet.net
________________________________________________________________________


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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 22:05:32 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: "Alan D. Smith" <cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, jknigh1@claycogov.com
Subject: Re: Tenzo Driving Lights

Alan D. Smith wrote:
> 
> Phil,
> 
> Could you pas along the phone number and price of your new lights?
> 
> They sound terrific!
> 
> Alan

Hi Alan,

They are great and you can check out the web page at
http://qni.com/~ppi/pages/tenzo.htm.

Jeff Knights is the person you'll be talking to, and he is very nice to
work with!

Take care,

Phil


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From: TedJ101@aol.com
	  by emout01.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id IAA05596 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Sun, 23 Feb 1997 08:18:57 -0500 (EST)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 08:18:57 -0500 (EST)
To: Akoell@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Riding partners

In a message dated 97-02-20 15:34:14 EST, Akoell@aol.com writes:

<< Would like to find other PC
 owners around or in the Central 
 Jersey area. >>


Not quite in Central Jersey, but I do ride with a number of Jersey riders
(mostly Gold Wings, though) on occasion. I am located in Wilmington DE and my
wife has a '95 PC 800 which I ride on touring type runs too.  (I also have a
couple of sport bikes for more serious pursuits <Grin>!)

Do you ever head over to PA or up to NY?  There is a lot of interesting
country in upstate NY above Port Jervis and some pretty good riding along the
Delaware on both the NJ and PA sides...

Regards,
            <<TED>>


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From: TedJ101@aol.com
	  by emout02.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id IAA06017;
	  Sun, 23 Feb 1997 08:19:00 -0500 (EST)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 08:19:00 -0500 (EST)
To: krud@io.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Stator and Fuel Gauge

In a message dated 97-02-22 00:28:28 EST, krud@io.com (Krud) writes:

<< Another question I have is:  Is they a simple way to correct
 the fuel level gauge reading, It shows the tank empty and I still
 have 2 gal. to use.  What's the easy fix and what parts are req'd?
  >>

I think most people learn to read it differently.  I look at 1/2 as 1 gallon
gone, E as 2 gallons gone, and when the needle gets over to the hose on the
little gas pump, it's time to find gas -- now!

Regards,
           <<TED>>


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From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com
	  by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id JAA03440 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Sun, 23 Feb 1997 09:25:58 -0500 (EST)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 09:25:58 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Electical problems

Hi Mica:

Electrical grimlins can be frustrating to find. I offer the following as
suggestions on where to start:

     Headlight problem:  Since you live in a moist, salty area, there is a
good chance that there is corrosion in the starter switch.  If this is the
problem, a shot of contact cleaner or WD40 into the switch should "cure" the
problem; although, it may recur from time to time given the nature of
corrosion. Other possible places for corrosion to be causing a problem is in
the fuse block where the headlight has its own fuse, the hi/lo beam selector
switch, and the connectors associated with all of the above.

     Dying battery:  As Gary already pointed out, this could be a symptom of
a failing stator winding in the alternator.  It could also be a
rectifier-regulator unit on its way south.  And as with your headlight
problem, it could be nothing more than corrosion in the connectors for these
units.  Another potential problem area is the 30 amp. main fuse and holder;
the charging current has to pass through there on the way to the battery.
 The final thing I can think of is the battery ground connection. If it is
loose or corroded, that could cause this sort of trouble; it did exactly that
on my old Gold Wing many years ago.

Good luck, and have a great ride to the left coast.

JT


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From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com
	  by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id JAA28053 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Sun, 23 Feb 1997 09:26:08 -0500 (EST)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 09:26:08 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800 Design

Hi all:

I guess I'll have to go along with Eric's criticism of the buzzy plastic
parts, at least on my '89.  Diane's '90 seems much better in this respect.
 Of course, the noisy plastic is only noticeable at walking speeds and seems
to get better once all of the plastic heats up.

As has been mentioned, there are luggage racks available on the aftermarket
for the PC.  And, of course, if it weren't for Krauser et al. my old BMW
wouldn't have had any storage space at all!

As far as tank bags are concerned, there have been several successful
approaches to mounting one mentioned in the past.  Personally, I had no
difficulty putting my trusty Eclipse on the PC; so, I'm not sure where Eric
is coming from on this point.

My only real complaints with the PC are the noise and dash melting potential
associated with the windshield options available from Honda (I haven't had
the opportunity to try the Rifle set up as yet, but the concensus seems to be
that they are better in this regard) and the wind-up-the trouser legs in the
winter.

These nit-picks aside, the PC is clearly superior in just about every way to
the BMWs I have owned or ridden.

JT


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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 09:30:36 -0500
From: Bill McKenna <BMcKenna@mint.net>
To: pc800 newsletter <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Tenzo lite mounts??

One foggy night I noticed someone posted an address to see a pic of
Tenzo lites mounted on a PC.... The night being F O G G Y, I don't
remember/can't find.

Anyone remember?

Please & Thanks.

Bill


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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 09:38:47 -0500
From: "Gary E. Klim" <garyklim@snet.net>
To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com
CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Re: PC800 Design

JTSMCRIDER@aol.com wrote:
 
> I guess I'll have to go along with Eric's criticism of the buzzy plastic
> parts, at least on my '89.

I should consider myself lucky that there are no buzzy body panels on my
'96, considering that I've had every piece except the trunk removed at
one time or another.
________________________________________________________________________
Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut    garyklim@snet.net
________________________________________________________________________


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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 11:40:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Barre Bull <bb1@pgstumail.pg.cc.md.us>
To: "Gary E. Klim" <garyklim@snet.net>
cc: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com, PC-800 E-Mail Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Re: PC800 Design

The only buzzy plastic on my '89 is the right pocket pocket cover over 
the coolant filler tube. For some reason it tends to slide slightly open 
during riding. Have tried everything to make it stay closed to no avail. 
Any ideas on how to keep it closed would be greatly appreciated.

Barre'

Barre' Bull
Network Systems Engineer
Information Systems
Prince George's Community College

http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us


On Sun, 23 Feb 1997, Gary E. Klim wrote:

> JTSMCRIDER@aol.com wrote:
>  
> > I guess I'll have to go along with Eric's criticism of the buzzy plastic
> > parts, at least on my '89.
> 
> I should consider myself lucky that there are no buzzy body panels on my
> '96, considering that I've had every piece except the trunk removed at
> one time or another.
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut    garyklim@snet.net
> ________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 11:54:05 -0500
From: Roger Prince <roger@etgn14.webo.dg.com>
To: "Gary E. Klim" <garyklim@snet.net>
Cc: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com, PC-800 E-Mail Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Re: PC800 Design

My '90 buzzes, not the '95 yet.  But I can't hear the buzzing at speed.
Maybe some day I'll try to fix it.  Or go faster.

Roger Prince


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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 10:19:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Johan Lai <jlai@filenet.com>
To: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM>
cc: HondaPacificCoastOwners <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Group purchases


You're absolutely right Dana.  The market is small for the PC but I don't
think profit was the problem as much as attitude.  PR is crucial in these
times (I think it always has been) to any business, especially smaller
businesses and Dave Gross hit it on the nail with the most recent post. 
Even if Rifle couldn't come through with the deal, courtesy with customers
must always be maintained.  Another $.02 from me, that makes $.04 on this
matter :)  Fortunately, I didn't run into too much problems when I did the
embroidery group purchase.  Be patient my friends, I'll get started one
more round in a few more weeks :)

Johan Lai
Orange, CA
'89 "Cassandra"


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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 16:09:32 -0500
From: Bill McKenna <BMcKenna@mint.net>
To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu
CC: st1100@st1100.com, pc800 newsletter <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Leathers For Sale

Karen's selling her leathers...

She has:

 Pair:  "Harley Davidson" Brand Outrider Chaps. Women's Medium, new @
291$, sell as new @ 145$

"Harley Davidson" Brand Jacket (delux short coat) removable liner,
vented, stand up collar, sharp. Size 42. $450 new, sell as new @ $250

She also has a 16" austrailian horse saddle 4sale... FWIW

reply to: bmckenna@mint.net

Thanks!

          by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4)
	  id QAA24697 for <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>; Sun, 23 Feb 1997 16:38:53 -0600 (CST)

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 16:38:53 -0600 (CST)
From: greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers )
Subject: Re: Clutch that won't disengage
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

To all:

Thanks for the assistance.  Roger Prince was right, the oil was simply 
overfilled.  Being a novice, I wasn't sure, since it read ok on the TOP 
of the stick, but the BOTTOM of the stick was soaked another 1/4" up.  
Having drained out about a cup, it seems much better.

For those who are keeping the list of Honda dealers, good and bad, put 
Corona Honda on the avoid list and Thousand Oaks Honda on the good 
list.  Corona was no help at all when I called them the day after they 
changed my oil, and just said "we didn't touch the clutch".  I called
Thousand Oaks Honda, where I bought the bike, and Eric in service was 
very helpful.  He suggested either overfilling or that they might have 
used 20/50 oil.  Also, having seen both operations, Thousand Oaks looks 
like a professional, clean operation, whereas Corona looks as messy as 
my garage.

Thanks, Roger.  When I get to 200,000 miles, I'll probably have less 
stupid questions and more helpful comments than I do now.

Greg


I wrote yesterday morning: 
>
Unfortunately, the PC seemed VERY hard to get out of the 
>garage with the clutch in.  It appears that, although it disengages 
>somewhat, it is very definitely not entirely disengaged.  


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From: Akoell@aol.com
	  by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id VAA12030 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Sun, 23 Feb 1997 21:48:00 -0500 (EST)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 21:48:00 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: riding partners

Someone out there sent me a web address for The Polar Bear
Ridng Club (or something similar?)

I accidentally deleted this mail.

Please give me this address once again.
Thanks, Al


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From: ChrisTUBA@aol.com
	  by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id VAA20002 for PC800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Sun, 23 Feb 1997 21:49:58 -0500 (EST)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 21:49:58 -0500 (EST)
To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Good/Bad Dealers...

Hi All...

This recent post about dealers gave me an idea...I am going to start a web
page listing good and bad dealers via the people on this listserver.  I won't
put names down, but I will put down dealer names and locations by state.

Simply PERSONALLY e-mail me with your good/bad dealer info...and we should
keep it to Honda dealers, unless you know of good private or other make
dealers who do a good job with PCs.

Secondly, my web page for the coming June 28th 1997 Wisconsin PC ride is up
and running.  E-mail me, and I'll RSVP you on the site.  It would be good to
know who all is coming, what bikes they will be riding (if a PC, what model
year), who will be riding with them, and where they are from.  Again, please
PERSONALLY e-mail me about this...I don't want to clog up the list server
with these messages.

The Wisconsin PC RIDE web page is at
http://members.aol.com/christuba/pc800.html

I'll let you know when these new additions to the web pages are up and
running.

Thanks much!

Chris Russell 

1996 Honda PC800  Suffering in the Dominican Republic as a Music Teacher


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From: mskrocki@meldrum.com
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 97 08:13:42 est
To: Indianridr@aol.com, tzedak@hudsoncnsl.win.net
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Re: 12 month club

Hi all, I'm happy to say that I too, qualify for the 12 month club. 

I've ridden at least once every month throughout the winter here in Northeast 
Ohio, I'm curious as to just how many there are of us year round riders.

Enjoy the ride.

Mark Skrocki

Sandra & Mark Skrocki
89 PC800 "Layla" hers / 85 VF1100S "unnamed" his
Shaker Hts., OH
mskrocki@meldrum.com

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From: "Vince Santamaria" <vsantam@eccrs.edison.cc.fl.us>
To: <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>, <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Tenzo Driving Lights
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 08:43:38 -0500

Lights look great but don't you think you should clean up you PC. 
Thanks


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From: "Vince Santamaria" <vsantam@eccrs.edison.cc.fl.us>
To: <krud@io.com>, <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Cc: <krud@io.com>
Subject: Re: Stator and Fuel Gauge
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 08:46:27 -0500

I haven't heard of stator problems with PC's. Am I missing something? 


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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 06:20:19 -0800
From: "Stephen A. Churchill" <schrchll@INETWORLD.NET>
To: Vince Santamaria <vsantam@eccrs.edison.cc.fl.us>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Stator and Fuel Gauge

Vince Santamaria wrote:
> 
> I haven't heard of stator problems with PC's. Am I missing something?

Uh...yeah,  Read the archives of this talk group.  Lotsa talk and
complaints about stators.   I had to replace mine. $400. Ouch!
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
         Steve Churchill
       Oceanside California
     1989 Pacific Coast 800
   36,000 miles and counting
        Peace Be With You
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:29:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Barre Bull <bb1@pgstumail.pg.cc.md.us>
To: Vince Santamaria <vsantam@eccrs.edison.cc.fl.us>
cc: krud@io.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Stator and Fuel Gauge

Vince,

Count yourself real lucky if you haven't been aware of stator problems on 
the pc...seems there were problems with the stator on the 89's dying. It 
cost me in the neighborhood of $600 (if memory serves me...but that's 
debatable) to have mine replaced 3 days prior to making the ride to 
Americade, which I guess was a good thing cause I would have been real 
unhappy if it had died on the way there.

Must be Monday, I just put all that in 2 sentences.

Barre'

Barre' Bull
Network Systems Engineer
Information Systems
Prince George's Community College

http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us


On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, Vince Santamaria wrote:

> I haven't heard of stator problems with PC's. Am I missing something? 
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 06:28:55 -0800
From: "Stephen A. Churchill" <schrchll@INETWORLD.NET>
To: mskrocki@meldrum.com
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Re: 12 month club

mskrocki@meldrum.com wrote: I've ridden at least once every month
throughout the winter here in Northeast Ohio, I'm curious as to just how
many there are of us year round riders.

I'm pretty sure most of us in SoCal meet requirements in the
participation category but fall short in your environmental extremes
qualifications.  Its just too nice here.   I do ride in the rain
occaisionally.  Does that count? :)
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
         Steve Churchill
       Oceanside California
     1989 Pacific Coast 800
   36,000 miles and counting
        Peace Be With You
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


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From: "Vince Santamaria" <vsantam@eccrs.edison.cc.fl.us>
To: <schrchll@INETWORLD.NET>, <mskrocki@meldrum.com>
Cc: <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Re: 12 month club
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:47:16 -0500

Don't forget the hardy riders in South Florida who ride all year. It was 60
last night when I had to go out. 


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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 07:29:34 -0800
From: Johan Lai <jlai@filenet.com>
To: ChrisTUBA@aol.com
Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Luggage Rack--Design Parameters

Yip.  Givi offers a cover plate for the rack since when the trunk is
removed,
the clamps that holds the trunk are sticking up.  If you have a soft bag
or
something like that it's ok, but if you try to put a box on it, it'll
try
to poke a hole at the bottom of your box.  It's still workable, depends
on
your preference.  I almost never take the trunk off so I don't have to
worry about that.

On a side note for other Givi owners, I also bought a softbag that was
designed for a Wing's luggage rack and it fits just about perfect.  I
haven't bought any hardware to mount it on the Givi yet but it looks
pretty good on top of the trunk.  I was going to get some chrome
drawer handles from Home Depot and mount them on top of the trunk.
Something is needed for the snap straps to hold on to in order to keep
it from flying off.  On a Wing, the snaps just go around their luggage
rack.  I know, I know, as if we don't have enough space already on our
PC's.  But my wife needs a little "extra" room when we travel and w/
my CD changer in the right saddle, I needed to make up the lost space.

Cheers,
Johan Lai
Orange, CA
'89 "Cassandra"

ChrisTUBA@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Hi All!
> 
> In reading Eric's description of the PC on the topic of BMW vs. PC800, he
> stated this, which isn't exactly true.
> 
> <<There is no luggage rack available, nor is it easy to attach a tank bag.  I
> added
>  the rear passenger backrest just to have another place to strap things
> to.rre>>
> 
> Correct me if I'm wrong, GIVI owners, but the GIVI rack also serves as a
> luggage rack without the topbox, right?
> 
> As far as parts go, I believe that you can get the GIVI rack (without topbox)
> for about $75.  Granted, you loose the ability to have that backrest, but
> nonetheless, a luggage rack is available.
> 
> Secondly, about the "buzzy parts," my PC800 has nothing buzzing on it at all.
> 
> Just wanted to clarify that.  Thanks.
> 
> Chris Russell


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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 97 07:37:32 PST
From: "Wanda Bailie" <wanda_bailie@smtpgw.kentrox.com>
To: tzedak@hudsoncnsl.win.net, Indianridr@aol.com
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Re: 12 month club

     Is Oregon a climatically challenging enough environment?  If so I 
     think I qualify and I believe so does Tim Macy.
     
     Wanda Bailie   '95 PC800  "Black Beauty"


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Subject: Re: 12 month club
Author:  Indianridr@aol.com at INTERNET-KENTROX
Date:    2/22/97 8:34 AM


In a message dated 97-02-19 12:52:51 EST, you write:
     
<< Also, are there any other members of the 12 month club????  To qualify you
 have to live in a climatically challenged environment. I have ridden in 
 Dec, 96    Jan 1st of '97   and twice so far in Feb.   97    the first part 
 of the month and RIGHT NOW.....
     
 Just asking...
     
 Z
  >>
     
Here in Southwestern PA, my buddies and I have made a pact to ride at least 
once every month through the winter.  Each of these rides was to be a minimum 
of 100 miles.  We have been more than successful with a couple our November 
and December rides being between 250 and 300 miles.  I have had the PC out 
regularly this winter with rides from around 28-degrees thru low seventies 
(yesterday, a new record high temp) in both rain and snow.  There's something 
very invigorating about riding when everything around you (other than the 
road) is white!  Just be careful about those curves with cinders and salt!!!
     
Later
     
Eric Trow


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From: GuntherSki@aol.com
	  by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id LAA21245;
	  Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:15:19 -0500 (EST)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:15:19 -0500 (EST)
To: vsantam@eccrs.edison.cc.fl.us, krud@io.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Stator and Fuel Gauge

In a message dated 97-02-24 08:46:34 EST, vsantam@eccrs.edison.cc.fl.us
(Vince Santamaria) writes:

<< I haven't heard of stator problems with PC's. Am I missing something?  >>


 um, well,    yes

Z


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From: GuntherSki@aol.com
	  by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id LAA03920;
	  Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:16:36 -0500 (EST)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:16:36 -0500 (EST)
To: schrchll@inetworld.net, mskrocki@meldrum.com
cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Re: 12 month club

In a message dated 97-02-24 09:43:01 EST, schrchll@INETWORLD.NET (Stephen A.
Churchill) writes:

<< I do ride in the rain
 occaisionally.  Does that count? :) >>


un,  hello,    no it doesn't count   sheesh    

you people in CA don't even GO OUTSIDE if it's cloudy.....

Z


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From: GuntherSki@aol.com
	  by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id LAA02173;
	  Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:19:58 -0500 (EST)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:19:58 -0500 (EST)
To: wanda_bailie@smtpgw.kentrox.com, tzedak@hudsoncnsl.win.net,
        Indianridr@aol.com
cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Re: 12 month club

As the starter of this thread, I will take responsibilty for rulings
regarding the weather and state of climate....


While Oregon does not qualify as a FULL ON challenged state....  it IS DAMN
WET THERE most of the time. Orgeon riders qualify IF, during the winter
months, they LEAVE the house despite a torrential rain......

Z


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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 08:27:51 -0800
From: Johan Lai <jlai@filenet.com>
To: GuntherSki@aol.com
Cc: schrchll@inetworld.net, mskrocki@meldrum.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Re: 12 month club

Not entirely correct.  Clouds are nothing.  If the temperature is
beyond the range of 85.4-87.2 degrees F, it's considered
hazardous climate.  Only the truly demented venture out in those
extreme conditions  :P

Cheers,
Johan Lai
Orange, CA
'89 "Cassandra"

GuntherSki@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 97-02-24 09:43:01 EST, schrchll@INETWORLD.NET (Stephen A.
> Churchill) writes:
> 
> << I do ride in the rain
>  occaisionally.  Does that count? :) >>
> 
> un,  hello,    no it doesn't count   sheesh
> 
> you people in CA don't even GO OUTSIDE if it's cloudy.....
> 
> Z

  (SMTPD32-3.03) id A1DC4E70152; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:29:16 -0500

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From: "JUICE" <jjucius@dynisys.com>
To: "pc800 group" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: stator problems
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:37:48 -0500



Hi all,
I have been noticing people worring about having stator problems on their
PC's. I own a 94, do they also have problems or is it mostly with the 89's?
    Juice!!


  (SMTPD32-3.03) id A41B5210152; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 12:47:07 -0500

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From: "JUICE" <jjucius@dynisys.com>
To: "pc800 group" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: archives
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 12:55:36 -0500



How do I find the archives, must have missed something? juice


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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 12:27:29 -0600
From: aperez <aperez@pecorp.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Long Distance

Big "Z"

Volunteer and start a "Iron But Club".  The rules are very simple. 
	a) Must ride a PC800
	b) Participants must ride a 1000 miles within a 24 hour period
	c) Participants must certified the begininig and ending time a PC
owner  

Rewards are:
	a) The members of this elite club will have their name in a special
web 	   page on their aschievements.
	b) Members who do it more than once will also be noted.
	c) 

I think this will separate the men from the keach eaters.  

Also, it would be good idea to start a thread on subjects like how to
ride your
PC super fast without getting tickets and no radar detector.


Abbey(37 years riding iron horses in CHITOWN)


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To: "JUICE" <jjucius@dynisys.com>
Cc: "pc800 group" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: archives
From: Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: 24 Feb 1997 12:29:33 -0600
Lines: 21

>>>>> "J" == JUICE  <jjucius@dynisys.com> writes:

J> How do I find the archives, must have missed something? juice

Perhaps you neglected to read the message that you received when you
subscribed?  I'll quote from it here:

---
Archives of previous messages are available.  On the web, visit
<URL:http://www.hpc.uh.edu/pc800/> for a searchable archive of all list
traffic since the beginning of time.
---

There is other useful information in that document, too.  If you want
another copy, send

info pc800

to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu.

 - J<

  (SMTPD32-3.03) id A5D07680142; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:19:12 -0500

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From: "JUICE" <jjucius@dynisys.com>
To: "pc800 group" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: MAIL TEXT
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:27:43 -0500

Sorry about my mail coming out garbled, I normally use Internet mail with
the html option and apparently not everyone can receive that. Is this
coming out ok?  Juice


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From: ChrisTUBA@aol.com
	  by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id QAA13903 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:35:00 -0500 (EST)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:35:00 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Long Distance

In a message dated 97-02-24 14:48:13 EST, it was written:

<< I think this will separate the men from the keach eaters. >>

I think you meant "quiche."

Quiche is quite good, and a nice 350 mile ride in a day is often quite enough
for me.

L8r,

Chris Russell
1996 PC800  Hiding from those last winter days in the Dominican Republic,
teaching


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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:05:34 -0600
From: Michael Brown <peafire@kdsi.net>
To: pc800 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: 12 Month Club

12 Month Club consideration;

Reside in Iowa, have made it out on the roads at least once each month. 
Does Iowa qualify?  (10" - 18" of snow, +20 degree rides) :^)

Michael Brown  PC '90  "ESCAPN"


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From: slwcpa@ix.netcom.com
          by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4)
	  id QAA00316 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:46:30 -0600 (CST)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:46:30 -0600 (CST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Long Distance

Its not the quantity but the quality of the ride.

Steve Weinerman

On 02/24/97 16:35:00 you wrote:
>
>In a message dated 97-02-24 14:48:13 EST, it was written:
>
><< I think this will separate the men from the keach eaters. 
>>
>
>I think you meant "quiche."


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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 17:22:06 +0000
From: Gary Wilson <gcw0766@mail.88net.net>
To: pacific coast list <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: windshields

dear fellow travelers,
i was off line for a while.  my netscape got corrupted and i came back
to ~300 messages.  many of the PC'ers were completing the thread on the
rifle windshield.  here's my POV, FWIW:  
when the whole idea started there were 2 paths to take.  Rifle, inc. or
Cycle Design.  I did the research on Cycle design because in my search
for parts they were the nicest and most competitive.  so i called them
and they said it sounded ok and the 30% deal etc ensued.  i don't think
anyone took them up on it.  i'm not sure why that everyone went over to
Rifle inc because it seemed to me that Rifle was being corporately
greedy.  OR maybe they wanted us to buy through parts houses, you know,
supporting their infrastructure and all that.  but i doubt that. 
anyway, i thought if at least 10 people were ordering that at least a
20% discount was in order.  I thought a 30% for 20 or so orders made
sense, also.  and when dave at cycle design said he'd honor 30% for
orders of 4, i thought that the best.  but again, no one seemed to want
that deal.  so, i'm a bit confused.
NTL,  i really don't need an explanation in this regard; i made no
guarantees to dave at CD for what we on the list would do.   but when
the list wants some action and then paths are created, THEN no one does
anything it suades me from doing this kind of thing again.  
so there's my shake on it.  it's supposed to quit raining sometimes this
week.  hit the 70's.  i'm going riding this wkend and in two weeks a
little camping venture in Big Bend.  so me and my 89 PC are gonna have
some road time.
gary.


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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 19:25:33 -0500
From: Doug Powell <dpowell@surfsouth.com>
To: gcw0766@88net.net
CC: pacific coast list <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: windshields

but when
> the list wants some action and then paths are created, THEN no one does
> anything it suades me from doing this kind of thing again.

Well, I know this thread is just about done but I just talked to Doug at 
Cycle Design and he is going ahead with the same deal he offered to Gary 
at the beginning of this whole ordeal...even though he is not going to 
have as many orders as he first thought he would have...I would just 
like to thank Gary and Phil for all the effort, I know it turned out to 
be sort of a pain in the ass but I'm going to save some money by 
ordering through CD where as I would've gone through Rifle.

Again, Doug is going to process orders at the $140.00 plus $8.00 
shipping deal in the next two or three weeks if anybody else is still 
interested...He's got my order.

Thanks again to Phil and Gary,

Doug


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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@MICROSOFT.com>
To: "'GuntherSki@aol.com'" <GuntherSki@aol.com>
Cc: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: Re: 12 month club
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 17:46:41 -0800

RE: While Oregon does not qualify as a FULL ON challenged state....  it IS 
DAMN
WET THERE most of the time. Orgeon riders qualify IF, during the winter
months, they LEAVE the house despite a torrential rain......

Z
--------------
Nice clarification on the ruling Todd.  Cracked me up!  Plenty of 
opportunity to go for a rain ride in the WA and Oregon community, no 
doubt.

And for the curious, I know the Seattle riders  -- Steve Gross, Dave Gross, 
Paul Hayes, and myself  -- have all ventured out in the rain, even for the 
fun of it.

-bryceu
.


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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@MICROSOFT.com>
To: "'GuntherSki@aol.com'" <GuntherSki@aol.com>,
        "'vsantam@eccrs.edison.cc.fl.us'" <vsantam@eccrs.edison.cc.fl.us>,
        "'krud@io.com'" <krud@io.com>,
        "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'"
	 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: Stator and Fuel Gauge
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 18:11:55 -0800

Stator:  The '89 model appears to be more prone to premature stator 
failure.  There has been a great deal of discussion on this in the past and 
some owners have been able to negotiate a warranty repair while most have 
not.  Incidentally, my '89 with 44k miles has not failed (yet).

NEWER MODEL YEARS DO NOT FAIL anything like the '89 owners have been 
reporting.

 Fuel guage:  If I recall the archives will reveal that the gas guage can 
be re-calibrated by bending the fuel sensor.  The sensor is easy to spot on 
the right side of the gas tank under the driver's seat and must be 
unscrewed from the side of the tank before you gain access to it.  Don't 
forget to drain the fuel before you remove it!

>I drained my tank and performed a precision adjustment on the fuel level
>sensor. In other words I bent the crap out of it. I put the gas back in a
>gallon at a time to get a feel how the gauge reads. I found that with the
>gauge reading empty with 1/2 gallon in the tank that three gallons took 
the
>gauge to the full mark. The extra gallon or so just pushes the needle 
past
>the full mark.
>
>Bill

Sorry I don't have Bill's full name.

-bryceu

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Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558
Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA
'89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T"
AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140
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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@MICROSOFT.com>
To: "'Honda Pacific Coast Internet List (E-mail)'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: Electical problems
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 18:25:09 -0800

I second JT on the headlight switch.  I had the low beam fail on me 
intermittently on one trip but high beam worked great.  Major pucker factor 
when you're riding fast on a windy mountain road in the dead of night and 
the lights go out!  The switch unit can be pull out of the handlebars with 
little effort - just wiggle a screwdriver underneath and pry gently.  Pull 
the wires and shoot WD-40 or contact cleaner in the holes of the switch and 
on the contact points.  After I cleaned mine the switch gave a loud audible 
click and I could feel it engage with my thumb.  Dramatic difference AND my 
lights quit going out. \"/

-bryceu

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Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558
Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA
'89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T"
AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 18:43:41 -0800
From: Dave Gross <dkgross@halcyon.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: tires wear

mmmm...well, the tires are gonna go in a week or so, and it looks like
177's it is. (tho...I did spot a lonely rear ML2 in a stack against a
wall at University Honda in Seattle....and the guy at Lake City Honda
had a front hanging around..)

I've noticed what seemes to me to be an irregular wear pattern.  the
fron tire is worn more on the right side than the left, as the same with
the rear.  the rear tire is somewhat 'cupped' on the left side. 
Probably have about 10K on the tires, but I'll get a firm # when I find
my old receipt :>)

any suggestions or ideas?
-- 

Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, AKC
http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross


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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@MICROSOFT.com>
To: "'aperez'" <aperez@pecorp.com>, "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: Long Distance
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 19:06:19 -0800

Ohhhh, this could touch off a whole debate about riding at excessive speeds 
(1000 miles in 24 hours can be done legally)

Or quantity over quality (you still can have fun while riding long 
distance)

Or some other nit picking detail.

BUT...
with this said I think there could be some admiration and praised put upon 
those who ride a "Saddlesore 1000" event, as it's called by the Iron Butt 
Association.  Riding long distances for time is tough and requires skill as 
well as stamina.  The IBA has already established a set of rules governing 
route and confirmation criteria.  See http://www.ironbutt.com for more 
details.  I recommend we stick with the IBA rules 'cause their public and 
well accepted in the long-distance riding community (a very finicky group). 

Any of the Web guys care to update the PC800 page to include this hall of 
fame?

I little Iron Butt trivia for y'all.  Yes, there has been a Honda Pacific 
Coast finisher in the grueling Iron Butt Rally, the mother of all long 
distance events.  It's ten days around the US with with rigid checkpoints 
and total mileage reaching 8 - 12k miles. In 1993, 69 years old Garve 
Nelson beat his own record (he was 67 years old in when he finished the 
1991 rally) for the oldest Iron Butt finisher.  At 71 years old, Garve 
Nelson also finished the 1995 Iron Butt Rally but was disqualified for 
lending another rider his identification towel.

As for the shorter events, I've ridden at "Bunburner 1500" on my PC800, 
1500 miles in 36 hours.  My trip report is posted on the IBA page.   Let's 
just say it was a VERY wet ride.  I will do more though as I intend to ride 
a "Bunburner Gold" this summer, 1500 miles in just 24 hours.

-bryceu

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Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558
Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA
'89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T"
AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140
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From:	aperez [SMTP:aperez@pecorp.com]
Sent:	Monday, February 24, 1997 10:27 AM
To:	pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject:	Long Distance

Big "Z"

Volunteer and start a "Iron But Club".  The rules are very simple.
	a) Must ride a PC800
	b) Participants must ride a 1000 miles within a 24 hour period
	c) Participants must certified the begininig and ending time a PC
owner

Rewards are:
	a) The members of this elite club will have their name in a special
web 	   page on their aschievements.
	b) Members who do it more than once will also be noted.
	c)

I think this will separate the men from the keach eaters.

Also, it would be good idea to start a thread on subjects like how to
ride your
PC super fast without getting tickets and no radar detector.


Abbey(37 years riding iron horses in CHITOWN)


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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@MICROSOFT.com>
To: "'dkgross@halcyon.com'" <dkgross@halcyon.com>, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: RE: tires wear
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 19:13:29 -0800

Too many righthand freeway on-ramps wearing the right side of your
tires. I love those bank turns - turn, roll on the throttle and hang on.
\"/  

I have NOT noticed the same wear pattern on the two sets of ML2's I've
gone through.  Wear was symmetrical, both front and rear.  

Do you tend to carry gear in one particular side of the trunk for your
daily commute?  Lately I've noticed I tend to carry my laptop on the
right side of the trunk only.  Think you might be doing something
similar to cause the wear?

-bryceu

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Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558
Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA
'89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T"
AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 22:44:57 -0500
From: Doug Powell <dpowell@surfsouth.com>
To: dkgross@halcyon.com
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: tires wear

Dave Gross wrote:

> I've noticed what seemes to me to be an irregular wear pattern.  the
> fron tire is worn more on the right side than the left, as the same with
> the rear.  the rear tire is somewhat 'cupped' on the left side.
> Probably have about 10K on the tires, but I'll get a firm # when I find
> my old receipt :>)
> 
> any suggestions or ideas?

Dave,

Had the same problem with mine, everybody told me my ass was heavier on 
one side. Honda dealer could'nt explain either...I got naked and looked 
in the mirror could'nt tell.


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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 23:37:57 -0500
From: Phil Oetiker <PhilOetiker@compuserve.com>
Subject: Considering a 97 PC
To: Pacific Coast Newsgroup <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>

Greetings all,
        I am thinking about buying a new PC.  I currently don't have a
bike.  It's been a couple of years now and I can't take it anymore.  I've
had my eye on several bikes but most are just too expensive for me.  My
list includes the ST1100, the Kaw Councours, and now as a dream, the
Triumph Trophy or the BMW RT.  Years ago I was fascinated by the PC but
lost interest, thinking the bike was too underpowered, and styled like an
overgrown Helix.
        But then I saw a new one at a local dealer the other day.  I had
gone to see a used CBR 1000 that had been advertised in the paper (it had
been sold before I got there).  The new Pacific Coast seemed to be calling
me from across the showroom floor.  I must say it looks beautiful in its
bright red paint.   I applaud the lighter look up front.  Seeing the discs
just seems to drive home the idea that it is a serious motorcycle.  Trying
out the seat really made me want to take it for a ride.  Here in NYC
dealers don't let you do that.
        So, I've come to your list.  I'm sure most of you are happy with
your bikes.  I want to ask you a couple of questions.  Say you're touring
two-up and doing 65 MPH on the freeway, what kind of RPM are you running? 
Is vibration ever a problem?  I understand that Hondaline offers a seat
with a passenger backrest.  How do you like it?  I've never owned a bike
with that much body work, is it hard to remove to service the engine?  And
what about that engine, is 800cc enough for spirited riding and for smooth
high speed cruising?  These are my concerns and I appreciate any input from
you lucky owners of one of the most eye-catching motorcyles anywhere.  I'll
be lurking on your list, watching for trends that concern you.  And
pondering my decision.  I just want you to know I'm happy I found you.
Phil Oetiker/Brooklyn, USA
philoetiker@compuserve.com


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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 22:51:48 -0800
From: Steve Gross <slgross@halcyon.com>
To: pc800 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Re: 12 month club

Bryce Ulrich wrote:

> And for the curious, I know the Seattle riders  -- Steve Gross, Dave Gross,
> Paul Hayes, and myself  -- have all ventured out in the rain, even for the
> fun of it.


I almost never argue with Bryce, but "for the fun of it?"  Usually, it's
'cuz we're so damned stir crazy & Moto-deprived that we just don't care
if it's raining!


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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 23:33:26 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Californian's and Californeon's

Some us down here in Southern California, who are not challenged by the
weather, are challenged by our MODS!!

If you're curious about "CaliforNEON,"  check out
http://www.concentric.net/~Pilewis1/pcphotos/PCRPHOT4.HTM!

Phil
Mission Viejo


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From: "Vince Santamaria" <vsantam@eccrs.edison.cc.fl.us>
To: <dkgross@halcyon.com>, <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: tires wear
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:52:30 -0500

I have heard some people explain your tire wear as being caused by the
crown in the road.
Thanks, Vince Santamaria
 (941) 433 8043
System Programmer
Edison Community College      
8099 College Parkway SW
P.O.Box 602210
Fort Myers FL 33906-6210
FAX:(941)489-9399 


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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:02:03 -0700
From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Stator and fuel gauge

>> Is they a simple way to correct
>> the fuel level gauge reading, 

The easiest way is to calibrate your eyeballs!

Bob


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From: GuntherSki@aol.com
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	  Tue, 25 Feb 1997 10:13:27 -0500 (EST)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 10:13:27 -0500 (EST)
To: peafire@.kdsi.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: 12 Month Club

In a message dated 97-02-24 18:46:14 EST, peafire@kdsi.net (Michael Brown)
writes:

<< 2 Month Club consideration;
 
 Reside in Iowa, have made it out on the roads at least once each month. 
 Does Iowa qualify?  (10" - 18" of snow, +20 degree rides) :^)
  >>
Iowa is most certainly in the Club. While I sense great eagerness among
members to be included in the club, please DON'T go out and ride in a
snowstorm just to get in. :  )   However,  rain is NO excuse for not
riding.....

Z


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From: GuntherSki@aol.com
	  by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
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	  Tue, 25 Feb 1997 10:16:04 -0500 (EST)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 10:16:04 -0500 (EST)
To: dkgross@halcyon.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: tires wear

In a message dated 97-02-24 21:34:23 EST, dkgross@halcyon.com (Dave Gross)
writes:

<< 've noticed what seemes to me to be an irregular wear pattern.  the
 fron tire is worn more on the right side than the left, as the same with
 the rear.  >>

ummm,  try riding the other direction......

Z


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From: GuntherSki@aol.com
	  by emout20.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
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	  Tue, 25 Feb 1997 10:25:32 -0500 (EST)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 10:25:32 -0500 (EST)
To: PhilOetiker@compuserve.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Considering a 97 PC

Well Phil,

You are about to receive a TON of mail. First off, get a hold of Chris Klass,
a very nice guy with a PC and in NYC. Second, RPM at 65 is apx.  4000 rpm
  80 is  5000rpm    top end of about 105  or   110     (Please, no more "I've
gone 120 and ready for more" stories.   Vibration is NOT THERE, at any speed.
The bike is an in-expensive, quick, smooth sport tourer. The engine is not
HARD to change the plugs or oil on. Fortunately, that's all you need to do.
The motor is really durable, well designed......    I've toured, fully
loaded, ( perhaps 550 pounds ) at 85 mph from Chicago to Portland, ME and
never wished I had a different bike. I rode up Mt. Washington and later
hooked up with a bunch of Canadian Sport riders dashing through Northern NH.
I slid right in amongst 'em. No problem.  So,,,,,  check the archives, there
are a few $4000 machines ready for the road....

My .02.
Z


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From: Karl Siebrecht <karl@nvti.cudenver.edu>
To: "'PC800 list'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: 12 month club
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 09:23:57 -0700

Although Denver, Colorado has a reputation for being a very climatically =
challenging environment in the winter months, especially for a =
motorcyclist, I am happy to say I have NOT ridden to work only 17days =
since Thanksgiving. My weekend trips have taken a drastic turn though. =
The bike will for some reason only go South.
That suit ain't just for skiing!


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From: GaryWOTR@aol.com
	  by emout03.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id MAA05523 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Tue, 25 Feb 1997 12:17:36 -0500 (EST)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 12:17:36 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: 12-Month Club

Hiya, fellow PC-800'ers. 

I've missed some of the posts re: being eligible for the 12-month club. What
are the membership criteria? Riding at least once/month despite weather
conditions--especially for those in northern climes? Or, for anyone who rides
most of year? 

I live in Galveston, Texas on Galveston Island. I commute every day to work
and back home--17 miles each way along the shores of the Gulf of Mexico.
Great way to greet the day each AM on the way to work--watching the sun rise
over the water. Sometimes the wind off the Gulf of Mexico is pretty fierce,
making for a bit of a bike control struggle. And, a few days of the
year(usually in Jan/Feb), the combination of rain with near-freezing temps.
can be comfort challenging! Depending upon mood and after-work schedule, I
might elect not to ride some days depending upon how severe the weather
conditions are. I do not believe in putting myself at risk or in harm's way
if not absolutely necessary. Will choose to ride in the "cage" with the wife
on those days; something I hate to do because she always makes me 45' later
to work waiting for her to leave the house in the AM!  Plus, it's a major
crimp in my need for independece not to travel on my own wheels. :-) But,
most days are "rideable" and I do!! 

I have a '94 PC-800 with over 21,000 miles on it. Hassle-free maintenance and
top-notch performance. Have done long rides with large comfort-zone. On 2nd
set of tires--first stock tires(K-555's) lasted for 16,600 miles and could
have gone a bit more.

Let me know re: membership!

--gary a. wade
--galveston island, texas

          by pluto.open.ac.uk with SMTP Local (PP);
          Tue, 25 Feb 1997 18:45:03 +0000

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From: J.S.Allan@open.ac.uk (John Allan)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 18:42:31 -0000
Subject: Re: Re: 12-Month Club

Greetings from the UK!

Major problem. I knocked my mirror and the two metal clips at the front
of the frame that locate the mirror to the frame have broken off (no
other damage).

These clips are not a listed part, and are rivited to the sub frame.

What can I do?

Help!!

John


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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 12:37:55 -0700
From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: 12-month club

>I live in Galveston, Texas on Galveston Island. I commute every day to work
>and back home--17 miles each way along the shores of the Gulf of Mexico.
>Great way to greet the day each AM on the way to work...

Gary,

Just a friendly warning-- some of these guys are at the end of a long
winter and talking in such a manner may have really bad effects on
them.  Please go eaasy until they get over their PMS.

Bob C.
NM
(18 degrees this morning)


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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 12:23:06 -0800
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: John LaFreniere <johnl@general.net>
Subject: This is a great list...

I was just thinking about how much more fun having a PC is with all of the
great information / friendship  available to us here.

Before I found this list, All I could do was wonder about how other owners
handled their maintainance / accessory / general riding issues.  

This list is as much a part of my being a motorcyclist as my ignition key.
(almost :>)

Thanks all!
John LaFreniere
http://john.csun.edu


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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@MICROSOFT.com>
To: "'Vince Santamaria'" <vsantam@eccrs.edison.cc.fl.us>, dkgross@halcyon.com,
        pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: RE: tires wear
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 13:58:04 -0800

It would make sense but only if the left side were more heavily worn.
In the Pacific Northwest the roads are heavily crowned with the center
of the road being the highest.  Driving on the right hand side of the
road would mean that road surface to the left is higher than surface to
the right.  This would lead me to expect the left side of the tires to
be more worn than the right side that Dave is experiencing.

Maybe he does ride backwards as Todd suggests.

-bryceu

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From:	Vince Santamaria [SMTP:vsantam@eccrs.edison.cc.fl.us]
Sent:	Tuesday, February 25, 1997 5:53 AM
To:	dkgross@halcyon.com; pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject:	Re: tires wear

I have heard some people explain your tire wear as being caused by the
crown in the road.
Thanks, Vince Santamaria
 (941) 433 8043
System Programmer
Edison Community College      
8099 College Parkway SW
P.O.Box 602210
Fort Myers FL 33906-6210
FAX:(941)489-9399 


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From: GuntherSki@aol.com
	  by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id SAA21814 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Tue, 25 Feb 1997 18:46:44 -0500 (EST)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 18:46:44 -0500 (EST)
To: GaryWOTR@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Re: 12-Month Club

In a message dated 97-02-25 12:20:14 EST, GaryWOTR@aol.com writes:

<< I live in Galveston, Texas on Galveston Island. I commute every day to
work
 and back home--17 miles each way along the shores of the Gulf of Mexico.
 Great way to greet the day each AM on the way to work--watching the sun rise
 over the water. >>

gary,

There is no way in hell you could ever qualify for the 12 month club living
in a place along the Gulf of Mexico. The next thing you know, our PC friends
who live on the Big Island will want in....  :  )

Z


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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 18:21:10 -0600 (CST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Re: 12-Month Club

On 02/25/97 18:46:44 you wrote:
>
>In a message dated 97-02-25 12:20:14 EST, GaryWOTR@aol.com writes:
>
><< I live in Galveston, Texas on Galveston Island. I commute every day to
>work
..........
>gary,
>
>There is no way in hell you could ever qualify for the 12 month club living
>in a place along the Gulf of Mexico. The next thing you know, our PC friends
>who live on the Big Island will want in....  :  )
>
>Z
>--

Well they should have a chance to join, after all they have to ride around all that volcanic ash! 
Instead of cold and ice they have to fight heat, fire and lava.

Steven


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From: GuntherSki@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 19:47:49 -0500 (EST)
To: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: 12-month club

<< >I live in Galveston, Texas on Galveston Island. I commute every day to
work
 >and back home--17 miles each way along the shores of the Gulf of Mexico.
 >Great way to greet the day each AM on the way to work...
 
 Gary,
 
 Just a friendly warning-- some of these guys are at the end of a long
 winter and talking in such a manner may have really bad effects on
 them.  Please go eaasy until they get over their PMS.
 
 Bob C.
 NM
 (18 degrees this morning) >>

Sorry about the long clip, but...

Bob,   AMEN brother

Z


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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 19:50:13 -0500
From: "Gary E. Klim" <garyklim@snet.net>
To: PC-800 E-Mail Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Re: 12-Month Club

If it wasn't for the "1 inch of sand/salt for every half inch of snow"
mentality of the Connecticut DOT, I'd probably qualify... :(
________________________________________________________________________
Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut    garyklim@snet.net
________________________________________________________________________


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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 15:54:15 +0000
From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS)
Subject: Riding Gloves
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

Just ordered a pair of Thurlow (619-279-9004) deerskin gloves.  I have been 
reading rave reviews of them for more than a year, and dicieded to get a pair.  
For those of you who don't know, deer skin is said to be far superior to cow 
hide in abrasion, fit, temp range.  

They are semi to full custom gloves.  I ordered mine with a wrist strap, 3.5 
inch guanlet, and a second piece of skin on the palm.  

Thurlow gloves have no seams below the fingers.  The fit is said to be the 
best.  So I am sending in my order (and $80) and an outline of my hand to 
them.  They said it should be ready in 3 weeks.  From what I have heard, it is 
more than worth the wait.

Chris Klass


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	  Tue, 25 Feb 1997 20:53:55 -0500 (EST)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 20:53:55 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Mirror Clips...or the lack of them.

In a message dated 97-02-25 13:50:04 EST, John Allan wrote:

<< Major problem. I knocked my mirror and the two metal clips at the front
 of the frame that locate the mirror to the frame have broken off (no
 other damage).
 
 These clips are not a listed part, and are rivited to the sub frame.
  >>

I've got a broken clip myself (it involves GRAVEL, okay...)  and the mirror
holds on to the one clip that is good, but I can see that it is not as firmly
mounted as it was originally.  So...I'm open to suggestions.  I've got a
rivet gun.  Can I buy the part or do I have to 'make' a new one?

---Tim Adams
'89 PC800 w/dead battery and 3 more days before the insurance kicks in!


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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 23:11:25 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
cc: KANDJCS@aol.com
Subject: Sound System for PC800

I'm looking for the Kenwood stereo (or a good after-market subsitute) for my
'89 PC.
Any suggestions?


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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 00:09:47 -0500
From: Phil Oetiker <PhilOetiker@compuserve.com>
Subject: Thanks for your comments
To: Pacific Coast Newsgroup <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>

There have been many replies to my invitation to comment on the wisdom of
buying a PC.  I want to say "thank you" to all that have taken a moment to
write.  There certainly seem to be many strong arguments in favor of the
bike.  I will continue to lurk for the time being in an attempt to learn
what I can from your experiences.
Phil Oetiker/Brooklyn, USA
philoetiker@compuserve.com


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	  Wed, 26 Feb 1997 06:20:12 -0500 (EST)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 06:20:12 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Re: 12 month club

Hi all:
We ride year round here in Tennessee; although, there have been a few Julys
and Augusts when I have seriously considered not riding at all.  In the
summer, I only ride at night or early in the morning unless I simply have to
ride during the day to get somewhere else.

I'm not seriously applying for 12-month-club membership on these grounds, but
you folks who fixate on winter should realize that there is more than one
kind of environmental challenge for motorcycle riders.  You can
dress/electric for cold (up to a point)--not so, for brutally-hot-n-wet.  My
bikes will continue to see very little use in the summer, at least not until
they come up with an affordable air-conditioned suit like the astronauts
have. :)

JT


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	  Wed, 26 Feb 1997 06:20:28 -0500 (EST)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 06:20:28 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Considering a 97 PC

Hi Phil, and welcome to the list:

The PC won't win many drag races, but I think that most of us feel that its
50 hp are more than enough for any real-world riding you'll be doing on the
street. It's a great commuter and a super long-distance touring bike. I don't
really remember what the rpm is doing at 65 mph--I seldom cruise that slowly
any more  :)--, but it should be somewhere around 4500. The PC is smooth at
just about any speed, but I find that mine is the smoothest (almost turbine
smooth) in the 70-85 mph range. 

It handles very well and can be ridden quickly if you have the will and the
skills.  Like any heavy machine, it does not suffer fools well, but it will
easily keep up in the twisties with most street bikes being ridden by average
and above average riders.  A really good rider (or a really stupid
not-so-good rider) on a hot sport bike may eat your lunch if the conditions
allow them to use their power to weight advantage, but only for short
sprints.  Hour-for-hour, you'll cover as much or more ground and be ready for
more at the end of it.

Getting all that plastic off can be a bit of a chore, but the good news is
that you don't have to do that very often.  Routine stuff like oil changes
and the like don't require more than removing a few pop-off panels.  The PC
is generally a very reliable machine.  Obviously; there are exceptions, but
our '89 and '90 have never had any problems that required removal of
significant pieces of bodywork.  So far, they've been in the shop only for
scheduled services and tire changes. 

Problems: About the only serious problem that has been reported enough to be
considered significant has been the premature failure of the alternator
stator.  This seems to be concentrated toward the earlier machines,
particularly the '89s.  But there are many '89s that have not had the
problem--at least not yet.  For those that have opted for the tall Hondaline
windscreen, there has also been a problem with concentration of sun light
from certain angles such that the plastic on and around the dashboard has
been melted in localized and unsightly ways.  Moral, don't park it uncovered
in direct sun--not a bad piece of advice even if this were not a potential
problem.

The bottom line from my perspective:  I've owned and loved many motorcycles
in the 40+ years since I got on my first one.  The PC is simply the best
all-around motorcycle I've ever owned or ridden.

JT


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	  Wed, 26 Feb 1997 06:20:35 -0500 (EST)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 06:20:35 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: tires wear

Hi Dave:

As has been mentioned, it is not unusual for tires to wear more on the left
side than the right due to crowned roads.  But with wear on the left for the
rear and on the right for the front, I suspect a minor misalignment problem.
 When they change your tires, you might want to have them check this out.  If
it is a misaligned swing arm, then there is probably nothing they will be
willing to do about it (although they might Honda might honor a warranty
claim on such a defect).  It could also be a slightly twisted fork due to
misalignment of the upper and lower triple clamps, which is easy to correct.

Cheers,

JT

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From: J.S.Allan@open.ac.uk (John Allan)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:43:19 -0000
Subject: 12 Month Club

Here in UK conditions are not too hot (28c is very rare) and not too
cold (-5 is usually lowest except on high hills!). I ride all year
round but not if below -1c as our roads are rarely de-iced and skids
are highly likely! This means that, as yet, I have managed to ride each
week at least once!

John


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Date: 26 Feb 97 08:27:10 EST
From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM>
To: HondaPacificCoastOwners <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Cc: HSTA Postings to List <hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu>
Subject: "Zeke" Zechmeister

Someone asked about the whereabouts of former Virginia HSTA member and state
director F. J. "Zeke" Zechmeister. Zeke's current address in our HSTA data base
is 4007 Humphrey Street, St. Louis MO 63116-3822, Tel. # 314/865-1774. Zeke has
been an HSTA member since 1986. Zeke and his wife Margie attended a number of
events years ago, but I have not seen them in several years. However, he's still
one of us! A former Marine, he's a straight arrow! According to our list, he's
still riding a Honda VF1000S.

Dana Sawyer


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Date: 26 Feb 97 09:07:45 EST
From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM>
To: HondaPacificCoastOwners <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Cc: HSTA Postings to List <hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu>
Subject: PC800 owners' meeteing at STAR '97

I have been asked to head up a meeting of Honda PC800 Pacific Coast 
owners at STAR '97. We have about 120 PC owners within the HSTA ranks, 
and I hope that we'll have a good representation of these folks at our 15th 
national rally. I'll be looking for you!

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------

For those of you that have not yet joined the HSTA, the following message is 
sent just for you...let me hear from you, and...be real careful out there!

I'd like to send you an information brochure/membership application for
the Honda Sport Touring Association! Founded in 1982 and AMA-chartered, 
we have more than 2,000 members within our ranks.

We have a membership number reserved just for you!  

As a Honda Pacific Coast owner, you should be interested in the fact that 
we have 119 happy PC owners in 37 states! I am one of them...I have a '90 
Pacific Coast with more than 67,000 trouble-free miles! Will you join and 
make it 120 satisfied PC owners? Thanks...I knew you would!

STAR '96, our 14th national rally, was held June 23-27, 1996 at 
Canaan Valley Resort, Davis, West Virginia. We had some 460 members 
at that event; a record number for our Association!  

Next year please consider joining us at STAR '97, our 15th national rally, 
to be held June 22-25, 1997 at the Fountainhead Resort on Lake Eufaula, 
Oklahoma. 

In the meantime, we have local and regional events taking place year-round 
in all sections of the country. For example, TN-STAR was held September 
20-21-22, 1996 at Townsend, Tennessee and attracted 117 HSTA members 
from 19 states! My wife Lynn and I have made some wonderful 
lasting friendships with other club members, and I hope that you will join the 
HSTA and discover the same pleasant experience!

SEND ME YOUR SNAIL-MAIL ADDRESS and I'll put your material in the mail promptly.


In closing, please consider joining the Honda Sport Touring Association. 
We're going places...crank up your bike and ride along with us!

**************************************************
                      DANA L. SAWYER                          
Founder, Executive Committee Member and 
            South Carolina State Director                
       Honda Sport Touring Association              
               HSTA Member #0001SU                       
               HRCA Member #700266                      
           AMA (Life) Member # 180901                 
              71430.340@CompuServe.com  
      1990 Honda Pacific Coast PC800               
      "Life is short...I think I'll go riding!"               
******************************************************
"Of all the thing I've lost, I miss my mind the most!
******************************************************


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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:52:59 +0000
From: Gary Wilson <gcw0766@mail.88net.net>
To: pacific coast list <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: cb radios

does anyone on the list have a cb hooked up to their bikes?  is that an
intersting thing?  passe?  worthwhile?  i thought the chatter might be
interesting and more fun than a radio.  any recommendations hardware
wise?

gary in austin.


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From: Mat Matlock <wmat@MICROSOFT.com>
To: "'gcw0766@88net.net'" <gcw0766@88net.net>,
        "'pacific coast list'"
	 <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: cb radios
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 08:27:46 -0800

I saw somebody using one at a rally a couple of months ago.  Had one of the 
hand-held types bungee'd onto their left handlebar.  Radio Shack among 
others makes "emergency" CB's which can be plugged into a cigarette 
lighter.

You could plug one into the cigarette lighter, put an earplug to the 
external speaker.  But I don't know how you might mount the antenna.  Most 
that I have seen use a magnet mount antenna and there isn't much metal on 
the PC.

 The first modification I made to my '89 PC was to add a cigarette lighter 
inside the glove box.  More interesting?  I get tired of listening to 
trucker chatter on the CB in my cage, but I still keep one for emergencies 
when I'm traveling.  I also have an old, battery-powered, 3 channel CB that 
I got when they all went from 23 to 40 channels back in 1979.  I've 
bungee'd it onto my handlebar when I'm on longer rides. To use it, I have 
to stop, take off my helmet and remove it from the handlebar.  But in case 
of an accident, it is available.

Then I got an all-weather Walkman and used Radio Shack's super velcro to 
attach its belt clip to the other handlebar.  It's removable, won't be 
bothered too much by rain, I can change its controls even with gloves on. 
 It plugs into the Chatterbox and makes trips more interesting as I can 
play tapes.  I would like to play CD's, but I expect the vibration would be 
too much for it to be useful until somebody invents one that will seriously 
dampen it.

The trouble with getting to work on time is it makes the day so much 
longer.


-----Original Message-----

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From:	Gary Wilson [SMTP:gcw0766@mail.88net.net]
Sent:	Wednesday, February 26, 1997 3:53 AM
To:	pacific coast list
Subject:	cb radios

does anyone on the list have a cb hooked up to their bikes?  is that an
intersting thing?  passe?  worthwhile?  i thought the chatter might be
interesting and more fun than a radio.  any recommendations hardware
wise?

gary in austin.

 pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:46:06 -0500 (EST)
 pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:45:31 -0500 (EST)

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:49:09 +0000
From: Michael D Turley <MDTurley@wtp.net>
Subject: Re: tires wear
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

> As has been mentioned, it is not unusual for tires to wear more on the left
> side than the right due to crowned roads.  But with wear on the left for the
> rear and on the right for the front, I suspect a minor misalignment problem.
>  When they change your tires, you might want to have them check this out.  If
> it is a misaligned swing arm, then there is probably nothing they will be
> willing to do about it (although they might Honda might honor a warranty
> claim on such a defect).  It could also be a slightly twisted fork due to
> misalignment of the upper and lower triple clamps, which is easy to correct.
.
There is a another very simple explanation?
Left hand city cornors are semi-sweepers that are taken at higher speed and 
lean angle.  Right handers are slower and sharper.  Heard that somewhere once.

MT in MT


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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:22:52 -0800
From: Dave Gross <dkgross@halcyon.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: tires wear

jt...

I wondered about some kind of alignment thing.  I have heard/read that
the swing arm on the '89 is different than the ones on the rest of the
years.  they apparently made it thicker on later models..I may have my
mech check that out, and if it's not too expensive of a part, have him
replace it.  

Also, I've been wondering about that 'shimmy' thing at 35 mph
again...it's a steering bearing, right??  Will probably have that looked
at too...


at least my stator is still working :>)

-- 

Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, AKC
http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross


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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:36:37 -0800
From: "Stephen A. Churchill" <schrchll@INETWORLD.NET>
To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: tires wear

JTS quote: But with wear on the left for the rear and on the right for
the front, I suspect a minor misalignment problem. When they change your
tires, you might want to have them check this out.  If it is a
misaligned swing arm, then there is probably nothing they will be
willing to do about it (although they might Honda might honor a warranty
claim on such a defect).  It could also be a slightly twisted fork due
to misalignment of the upper and lower triple clamps, which is easy to
correct.

My 2 cents.  I have done many years of bicycle maintenence and every
time I have seen the one sided tire wear that you describe it has been
due to frame misalignment or bent fork.  What happens is with the bent
frame/fork the bike is in a constant state of turn which is sublty and
unconsiously corrected by a slight turn of the handlebars.  This
produces a miniscule scrubbing of one side of the tire and hence tire
wear.  It's easier to understand with a drawing below. I concur with JTS
diagnosis and solution.

    front (====)---------(====)   straight alignment. Normal wear.

    front (====)---___
                      ---(====)   Bent frame/fork. This is not a stable 
position. The weight of the motorcycle is not on the axis of either
wheel and hence will be DRIVEN (sideways force vector)left or right
without dynamic correction. (as opposed to just falling over) The
misalignment shown will produce wear on the left side of the front(page
left)tire and the right side of the rear(page right)tire.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
         Steve Churchill
       Oceanside California
     1989 Pacific Coast 800
        "Able Mable"
   36,000 miles and counting
        Peace Be With You
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:55:49 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: Mat Matlock <wmat@MICROSOFT.com>
CC: "'pacific coast list'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: cb radios

Mat Matlock wrote:
  I would like to play CD's, but I expect the vibration would be
> too much for it to be useful until somebody invents one that will seriously
> dampen it.
> 

Hi Mat!

Just a little info on CD players.  Three of us have CD changers in our
trunks and by not bolting it to the bottom, but just packing it in some
soft material, like mattress foam, it works pretty well.  The only
skipping we get is when the road is REALLY ruff or when we hit those big
potholes.  Of course, you could get a portable CD player for a tankbag,
but you would probably have to have the kind that has a 10 second
buffer.

BTW, I don't have a headset in my helmet, just a good set of speakers in
the dash!  Still sounds pretty good!

Phil
So. Cal.


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From: Wfkj@aol.com
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	  Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:33:01 -0500 (EST)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:33:01 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: CB Radios

Some people have expressed an interest in a CB for the PC-800. 

I have installed the Cycle Comm CB on both of my 1990 PCs. Cycle Comm goes to
a number of Motorcycle shows and rallys including Americade and will install
the system on your PC. However, when I asked them about installation, they
wanted to install on top of the dash which I didn't want. I bought one CB and
installed it myself. It took quite awhile to install with the control placed
in the left speaker area, a control on the handlebars, and the main unit in
the lefthand trunk. After installing on one bike, the second installation
went fairly fast. The CBs are very good with very clear signals and a lot of
range. If you're looking for other people to talk to, forget it. Most of the
time, you have all 40 channels to yourself unless you're at a rally with a
lot of Gold Wingers. I use it mainly to communicate with my wife on the road
and for guided tours at Americade. Contact Cycle Comm at:

      3300 Castle Rd
      Woodstock, IL 60098
      (815) 337-0790

The unit I bought is Item # CC-1203. There is a special PC-800 antenna
mounting bracket included in their antenna kit # 197-008.

Walt Kern


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From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com
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	  Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:30:55 -0500 (EST)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:30:55 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: That Shimmy Thing

Hi Dave:

That "shimmy thing" could be steering bearings, but I've had mine checked and
rechecked.  They have been and are set up according to spec, yet the
low-speed wobble persisted until I change front tires (ML2 to K177). That
fixed it at least temporarily, but I will be very surprised if it doesn't
return as the new tire wears.

It's still a good idea to have them check once in a while, but I wouldn't
expect much improvement from that alone.

JT


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From: "Robert E. Marks" <rmarks@motown.lmco.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:49:08 -0500
To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: That Shimmy Thing

Hi JT,

I noticed with the ML2 tire you need to run at a higher pressure.
I run my front tire at 37lbs instead of 33lbs, that seemed to help my
slight wobble.

Bob
==============================================================================
Robert E. Marks     CAD/CAM S/W development & support   voice: (609) 722-3777
Lockheed Martin     E-mail: rmarks@motown.lmco.com      fax:   (609) 722-4410
Moorestown, NJ      (near Philadelphia, PA.)
AMA, HRC ... '89 PC800, '84 Helix (Nancy's)

 26 Feb 1997 14:06:00 -0600 (MDT)

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:06:00 -0600 (MDT)
Date-warning: Date header was inserted by cc.usu.edu
From: David Clark <dhclark@cc.usu.edu>
Subject: Re: cb radios
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

At 09:52 AM 2/26/97 +0000, you wrote:
>does anyone on the list have a cb hooked up to their bikes?  is that an
>intersting thing?  passe?  worthwhile?  i thought the chatter might be
>interesting and more fun than a radio.  any recommendations hardware
>wise?
>
>gary in austin.

Gary,
My wife's bike came with a Radio Shack CB mounted in the trunk, PTT switch
in the left fairing, external speaker behind dash on left side, and a
Cycle-Comm antena mounted on left rear crash bar. It is wired to talk and
listen through a standard helmet headset.
David Clark
Logan, UT


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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: CB Radio
From: j.pipkin@juno.com (Julie A. Pipkin)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:21:02 EST

For those interested in a CB radio and/or a radio I would highly
recommend RKA . They make soft luggage for motorcycles. The owners,
Richard and Kathy, both ride Ducatis and have been in business for about
ten years. 

I purchased a 27 liter Carryall Rearseat bag and a 16 liter SuperSport
tankbag. The rearseat bag was literally built around an small Igloo
icechest. It will hold a fullfaced helmet. It also has three outside
pockets for storing other items for quick access. The tankbag is most
impressive. I ordered one that came with a CB/stereo interface/expander
amp already installed inside the tankbag. One can also get an intercom
but I don't ride with a passenger so I had no need for one. The
electronics used are from Cycle Comm. I took this route because I wanted
a system that was not permanently mounted to the bike. The tankbag is
still functional for storage also. The electronics only take up half of
the bottom portion of the bag. When the bag is not expanded it is only
six liters but when it is expanded it adds ten liters of free storage
space. 

RKA can be reached at: (707)579-5045 or by fax at: (707)579-5046. They
are located in Santa Rosa, CA.
Also check out their website at: http://www.rka-luggage.com

 
Thanks,
Julie
j.pipkin@juno.com


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From: TedJ101@aol.com
	  by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id QAA20545;
	  Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:53:37 -0500 (EST)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:53:37 -0500 (EST)
To: bryceu@microsoft.com, vsantam@eccrs.edison.cc.fl.us, dkgross@halcyon.com,
        pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: tires wear

In a message dated 97-02-25 17:03:05 EST, bryceu@MICROSOFT.com (Bryce Ulrich)
writes:

<< Driving on the right hand side of the
 road would mean that road surface to the left is higher than surface to
 the right.  This would lead me to expect the left side of the tires to
 be more worn than the right side that Dave is experiencing. >>


I thought the same thing, but came to the conclusion that he is either an
Anglophile who misses driving on the left and does it most of the time out of
sentiment, or he has a death wish and drives on the left in sort of a
continual game of chicken.  Hey, it's been a long Winter <G>!

Regards,
            <<TED>>


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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:47:36 -1000
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Ron Pacholec <reap@pixi.com>

Hello from sunny and WARM Honolulu!!!!!!!!!

I don't mean to rub it in (well maybe just a little, but with suntan oil so
it's not too abrasive!) but I qualify for the 12 month club.  In fact, I
think that I and some of my PC friends here can qualify for the 365 day
club.  Right now, noon, it's sunny and about 78 deg.  A great day for the
beach and a swim.  But please don't be too upset with this.  There is a
down side...all I can do is keep riding around in the same 150 mile circle
day after day...not many back roads here to explore.  But on the whole, the
beauty is so striking here that I think this is heaven, or at least pretty
close.

Aloha, and ya'all stay warm out there,

Ron

PS If anyone's planning a trip out here, drop me a line.  (Cory, Gary, any
chance you're coming out here again?)


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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:47:58 -0500
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Cheryl L. Johnson" <clynnj@flinet.com>
Subject: for sale

Saw this ad when I was surfing around the newsgroups:

1990 Honda Pacific Coast (PC800)
less than 10k miles
New battery and Metzler tires
includes:  factory backrest
           factory standard & extended windshields
           factory custom cover
           factory service manual
Excellent condition -- $3600.00

I'm located in Monument, CO.  Just north of Colorado Springs.
For more info, reply by email.

Regards,

Brent
bjm@col.hp.com


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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 18:53:07 -0500
From: "Gary E. Klim" <garyklim@snet.net>
To: "Robert E. Marks" <rmarks@motown.lmco.com>
CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: That Shimmy Thing

Robert E. Marks wrote:

> I run my front tire at 37lbs instead of 33lbs, that seemed to help my
> slight wobble.

Although I've yet to experience any wobble, I tend to run the front OEM
K555 at 35 psi as this seems to give the best "feedback". I run the rear
at 37 psi.
________________________________________________________________________
Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut    garyklim@snet.net
________________________________________________________________________


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From: Indianridr@aol.com
	  by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id UAA18817 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Wed, 26 Feb 1997 20:34:24 -0500 (EST)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 20:34:24 -0500 (EST)
To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com
cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800 -- OUCH!!!

In a message dated 97-02-23 09:27:03 EST, you write:

I SURRENDER!!!!  

<< As far as tank bags are concerned, there have been several successful
 approaches to mounting one mentioned in the past.  Personally, I had no
 difficulty putting my trusty Eclipse on the PC; so, I'm not sure where Eric
 is coming from on this point. >>

My comment regarding the PC800 vs. BMW must be taken in context.  I have been
a very proud BMW R-series owner for many years.  I am also a very proud PC
owner who loves his machine.  The buzziness I spoke of is legit on mine.
 Granted, if I took a little time to fix it, there would be none.  But,
again, compared to the Beemers, the bike is much more "mass produced" than
the BMWs were.  But, for the price of admission, there is nothing better than
the PC.  Also, for the record, BMW has now entered the world of plastic bits
along with everyone else, so the playing field has been leveled.  Regarding
the tank bag and luggage rack, let me first concede that, WHEN THERE'S A
WILL, THERE'S A WAY.  No doubt, both can be affixed, however, AGAIN, BY
COMPARISON, the Honda makes mounting of either a tank bag or a luggage rack a
little more challenging.  The tank bag can not be magnetic, nor can you
easily route the straps around the tank to the frame (I DO like the suction
cup idea and will be making tracks to buy a set straight away).  As for the
luggage rack, I was ignorant re: the GIVI setup.  However, I can't imagine
any more weight back there on that trunk section.  What a drag that must be
to open when loaded.  Again, by comparison, getting at conventional luggage
with a conventional rack on a BMW or any other conventional bike is easier IN
THAT SITUATION.  

With all that said, keep one more thing in mind.  I ride a PC 800 these days
-- a choice I've made INSTEAD OF ANOTHER BMW!  I love my PC, but felt
compelled to offer my own opinion of the trade-offs that come with the
convenience of the tour trunk and beautiful bodywork.  

Hope I haven't offended anyone.

ET


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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@MICROSOFT.com>
To: "'Dana L. Sawyer'" <71430.340@compuserve.com>,
        "'HondaPacificCoastOwners'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Cc: "'HSTA Postings to List'" <hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu>
Subject: RE: PC800 owners' meeteing at STAR '97
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 20:29:54 -0800



-----Original Message-----

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From:	Dana L. Sawyer [SMTP:71430.340@compuserve.com]
Sent:	Wednesday, February 26, 1997 6:08 AM
To:	HondaPacificCoastOwners
Cc:	HSTA Postings to List
Subject:	PC800 owners' meeteing at STAR '97

I have been asked to head up a meeting of Honda PC800 Pacific Coast 
owners at STAR '97. We have about 120 PC owners within the HSTA ranks, 
and I hope that we'll have a good representation of these folks at our 15th 
national rally. I'll be looking for you!

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------

For those of you that have not yet joined the HSTA, the following message is 
sent just for you...let me hear from you, and...be real careful out there!

I'd like to send you an information brochure/membership application for
the Honda Sport Touring Association! Founded in 1982 and AMA-chartered, 
we have more than 2,000 members within our ranks.

We have a membership number reserved just for you!  

As a Honda Pacific Coast owner, you should be interested in the fact that 
we have 119 happy PC owners in 37 states! I am one of them...I have a '90 
Pacific Coast with more than 67,000 trouble-free miles! Will you join and 
make it 120 satisfied PC owners? Thanks...I knew you would!

STAR '96, our 14th national rally, was held June 23-27, 1996 at 
Canaan Valley Resort, Davis, West Virginia. We had some 460 members 
at that event; a record number for our Association!  

Next year please consider joining us at STAR '97, our 15th national rally, 
to be held June 22-25, 1997 at the Fountainhead Resort on Lake Eufaula, 
Oklahoma. 

In the meantime, we have local and regional events taking place year-round 
in all sections of the country. For example, TN-STAR was held September 
20-21-22, 1996 at Townsend, Tennessee and attracted 117 HSTA members 
from 19 states! My wife Lynn and I have made some wonderful 
lasting friendships with other club members, and I hope that you will join the 
HSTA and discover the same pleasant experience!

SEND ME YOUR SNAIL-MAIL ADDRESS and I'll put your material in the mail promptly.


In closing, please consider joining the Honda Sport Touring Association. 
We're going places...crank up your bike and ride along with us!

**************************************************
                      DANA L. SAWYER                          
Founder, Executive Committee Member and 
            South Carolina State Director                
       Honda Sport Touring Association              
               HSTA Member #0001SU                       
               HRCA Member #700266                      
           AMA (Life) Member # 180901                 
              71430.340@CompuServe.com  
      1990 Honda Pacific Coast PC800               
      "Life is short...I think I'll go riding!"               
******************************************************
"Of all the thing I've lost, I miss my mind the most!
******************************************************


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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@MICROSOFT.com>
To: "'Dana L. Sawyer'" <71430.340@compuserve.com>,
        "'HondaPacificCoastOwners'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: PC800 owners' meeteing at STAR '97
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 20:34:04 -0800

If I recall correctly, Roger Prince (Mass), Tim Macy & wife (OR), Todd 
Zdack (IL), and I (WA) will all be attending STAR '97.  It's going to be 
one fun 2 week vacation for me, and well deserved by that time for sure.

See you there Dana!

-bryceu

----------------------------------------------------------
Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558
Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA
'89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T"
AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140
----------------------------------------------------------


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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 20:35:11 -0800
From: Phil Lewis <PILEWIS1@concentric.net>
To: CHRISTOPHER M KLASS <cklass@attmail.com>
CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: cb radios

CHRISTOPHER M KLASS wrote:
> 
> Phil,
> 
> What kind of speakers do you have in your dash? Can you really hear the music
> at highway speeds?  Do you wear a helmet?
> 

Hi Chris!

I wear an open face helmet, because I like a more open feeling; but I
have to admit, a full face would be warmer, and safer!! :)  

The speakers were installed by the previous owner, at the Honda Dealer
who sold, first him, and then me, this '90 PC.  They told me that they
put in a good high quality speaker, but I don't know what exact kind
they are.  They are very good, though, as I can turn the volume up full
blast, and there is almost no distortion.  So, I can really hear the
music on the freeway!!  I find that around town, I turn it up a little
while I'm moving, and then I turn it down when I come to a stop light. 
I don't like to annoy the people in the cars next to me!! ;)

Phil

          Thu, 27 Feb 1997 10:38:39 +0000

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To: Ron Pacholec <reap@pixi.com>
From: Gordon Golder <GAG@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Warm Honolululululu
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 10:38:39 +0000

At 10:47 PM 2/26/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Hello from sunny and WARM Honolulu!!!!!!!!!
>
>I don't mean to rub it in (well maybe just a little, but with suntan oil so
>it's not too abrasive!) but I qualify for the 12 month club.  In fact, I
>think that I and some of my PC friends here can qualify for the 365 day
>club.  Right now, noon, it's sunny and about 78 deg.  A great day for the
>beach and a swim.  But please don't be too upset with this.  There is a
>down side...all I can do is keep riding around in the same 150 mile circle
>day after day...not many back roads here to explore.  But on the whole, the
>beauty is so striking here that I think this is heaven, or at least pretty
>close.
>
>Aloha, and ya'all stay warm out there,
>
>Ron
>
>PS If anyone's planning a trip out here, drop me a line.  (Cory, Gary, any
>chance you're coming out here again?)
>
Ron:  You sound like a nice jovial fellow with good legs.  We in the
northern climes have on retainer one named "Luigi".  I'm sure you have heard
of him.  He may pay you a friendly visit!!:-)

Gordon (in rainy, snowy, cold, icy Michigan - but not for long!!)


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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 08:56:37 -0700 (MST)
From: Eric York <eryork@NMSU.Edu>
To: Dave Gross <dkgross@halcyon.com>
cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: tires wear

On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Dave Gross wrote:

> jt...
> 
> I wondered about some kind of alignment thing.  I have heard/read that
> the swing arm on the '89 is different than the ones on the rest of the
> years.  they apparently made it thicker on later models..I may have my
> mech check that out, and if it's not too expensive of a part, have him
> replace it.  


Heh. Remember it says "Honda" on it. ;) If I remember correctly,  a
swingarm retails for close around $400.


Eric York


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From: GuntherSki@aol.com
	  by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id LAA29967;
	  Thu, 27 Feb 1997 11:54:52 -0500 (EST)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 11:54:52 -0500 (EST)
To: ultspnch@ecn.net.au, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Re: 12-Month Club

In a message dated 97-02-26 17:47:01 EST, ultspnch@ecn.net.au (Ronald Grant)
writes:

<< >There is no way in hell you could ever qualify for the 12 month club
living
 >in a place along the Gulf of Mexico. The next thing you know, our PC
friends
 >who live on the Big Island will want in....  :  )
 
 Hey!!! I want IN! One day last winter it was down to 54 degrees on the OLD 
 scale, when I had to fire up the pc to go to work early!! Ron.in Brisbane. 
 The BIG island, ey???? >>


I guess you're right Ron. You ARE on the BIG island.....  When are you coming
to the states???

Z


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From: GuntherSki@aol.com
	  by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id LAA25962;
	  Thu, 27 Feb 1997 11:57:16 -0500 (EST)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 11:57:16 -0500 (EST)
To: bryceu@microsoft.com, 71430.340@compuserve.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800 owners' meeteing at STAR '97

Dana,

When are you going to have the Gathering?

Z


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From: GaryWOTR@aol.com
	  by emout11.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id MAA29927;
	  Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:27:08 -0500 (EST)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:27:08 -0500 (EST)
To: GAG@worldnet.att.net, reap@pixi.com
cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Re: Warm Honolululululu

Gordon:

Send "Luigi" on down to Galveston Island. Got a lot of Italians(goodfellas)
from up northeast way here on the island, lying low and making pizzas for
awhile 'til things are safe back home. He might feel very welcome and not at
all out of his element--except for the weather. Will even teach him how to
ride a PC-800 365 days/year. He will definitely receive a WARM Galveston
welcome. Will teach him fishing, eating and cycle riding--Galveston-style. We
will be a big "hit" for him!  :-)

--gary
--galveston island, texas

PS: And Ron on Oahu? Can't make the trip over this year but will certainly
try to contact you next time I do. Have very fond remembrances from my week
there last Feb.


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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 09:59:37 -0800
From: Dave Gross <dkgross@halcyon.com>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: swing arm/tire wear

yup...  checked yesterday.. swing arm is $325.  and the microfiche
didn't note any difference between the 89 and other years...

possiblility is that I was running my tires too low.  or my butt is
getting too big.

oh well...ordered my 177's....should have em on by the weekend...


dave gross
-- 

Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, AKC
http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross


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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:41:37 EST
From: James Hyder <jhyder@erols.com>
Subject: Re: That Shimmy Thing

** Reply to note from "Robert E. Marks" <rmarks@motown.lmco.com> Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:49:08 -0500 
> I noticed with the ML2 tire you need to run at a higher pressure. I run my 
> front tire at 37lbs instead of 33lbs, that seemed to help my slight wobble.  
 
The Metzler tires are rated at 49 psi.  I run mine at 45, which I find a lot 
more comfortable. Handling is fine, no shimmy. 
 


--James Hyder 
  Columbia, MD  USA 
  '89 PC800, bought new in '91, 26K+ miles


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From: "Vince Santamaria" <vsantam@eccrs.edison.cc.fl.us>
To: "James Hyder" <jhyder@erols.com>, <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: That Shimmy Thing
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:02:36 -0500

The  Metzler book says 40 PSI front, 42 PSI rear (I think).
Thanks, Vince Santamaria
 (941) 433 8043
System Programmer
Edison Community College     
8099  College Parkway SW
P.O.Box 60210
Fort Myers FL 33906-6210
FAX:(941)489-9399 


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Date: 27 Feb 97 15:03:23 EST
From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM>
To: HondaPacificCoastOwners <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: A message from Tim Macy

by hil-img-6.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515)
mailhost.purplenet.net (8.8.4/8.7.13) with SMTP id NAA28201 for
<71430.340@CompuServe.COM>; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:00:30 -0500

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:02:40 +0000
From: Todd Macy <toddm@purplenet.net>
To: 71430.340@CompuServe.COM
Subject: Motorcycle Madness

(Dana, if you could do me the favor of posting this on the PC800 list,
I'd be forever in your debt.)

This is just a note to all of the PC800 listers out there to let you
know that I arrived in Orlando safe and sound after the first half of
the Motorcycle Madness odyssey.  I'm on my son's e-mail down here in
Winter Park; I'd like to send a special thanks to Dana for posting this
for me.  For those that are so inclined, I'll be at:

     toddm@purplenet.net

until Sunday AM.  That's when Todd and I are going to pull up stakes and
head back to Portland.

I left Portland on Sunday the 16th; I was intending on leaving the
following Monday but rain was moving in and I was already packed, so I
hit the road early.  Stayed in Twin Falls, ID, that night after riding
thru the Blues of Oregon earlier...colder'n heck but clear roads.  I was
going to stop in Ogden for a day at my brother's but an impending storm
(I was riding in rain that was turning to snow in the mountains) kept me
riding.  At Evanston, Wyoming, there were two feet of snow on the
ground, but the roads were clear.  It was about 35 degrees.  I cut north
to Casper on a side highway and fought a vicious west wind for about 60
miles (Chris Kraft in New Jersey--formerly of Wyoming, you should
appreciate that!) Stayed in Casper for the night...when I woke up the
next AM there were 3" of snow on the road...and the StealthMobile...and
it was still snowing hard.  Since it looked fairly localized on the
radar, I headed out in the snow.  Wasn't bad on the roads, and I
followed truck tracks for 60 miles.  Well, wasn't bad except for the 2"
of frozen slush that built up on the bike from the spray of passing
trucks!  

I finally outran it and headed west to Lusk, WY., where I set the
compass for north and went to Rapid City.  It was clear (and nice)
there; I stayed for a day with my parents.  On Thursday I headed east
across South Dakota.  It was a cold day (40s) with a nasty north wind
which was the portent of a cold front coming in from Canada.  By the
time I got to Sioux Falls the temp had dropped to 34 degrees and it was
COLD.  I decided to cut my eastern trip short and headed straight south
to drop down around the cold front.  Mike Dempsey in Sioux Falls; I'm
really sorry I didn't get a chance to call you.  I wanted to get to
Omaha to stay and I ran out of time.

To Tom Wells and Bob Rufener in Wisconsin, Todd Z in Illinois, Gordon
Golder in Michigan, Alan Smith and Joe Beresford in Ohio, and others on
the way:  I apologize for not getting thru there to say hello.  I really
had intended upon at least stopping for a cup of coffee (very HOT
coffee!), but as it turned out my instincts were correct.  Between the
cold rushing down from Canada and the rain rising up from the central
plains, the weather in the Great Lakes area got really nasty for a few
days...and I'm glad I wasn't in it.  I also wanted to head as far east
as Virginia to see an old friend of mine just outside Washington, DC,
and then head down the coast and stop in and see Dana in South Carolina
and Gordon Frank in Georgia.  I had the time...I had the
inclination...but the Weather Gods conspired against me.

When I left Omaha the temp was 31 degrees and the north wind was a
cutting instrument.  There was a 100-mile swath of snow starting just
above Kansas City and extending halfway into Missouri that I had to ride
through.  So I just kept heading south.  I finally bottomed out in
Arkansas and headed east to Little Rock, where I spent the night.  The
weather there was fine, but I was just behind the southern weather that
had spawned numerous tornados and other nasties.  All through upper
Mississippi and Alabama I saw lots of wind-related damage, but the
weather was tolerable.  I stopped in Athens, Alabama, and tried to call
Rick Fisher on Saturday afternoon...sorry, Dentman, but I couldn't find
ya.  So I headed south and stayed in Troy, Alabama.  Got into Orlando
the next day.

Todd and I are leaving for the westward trek come this Sunday.  We'll
probably stay pretty far south until western Texas, where we have to cut
up thru Albuquerque and Santa Fe to pick up Nan, who's at a medical
conference and will ride home with us.

All told, I put 3600 miles on the StealthMobile getting here; I had
absolutely NO problems with the bike, and averaged mid-40s to mid-50s
gas-wise.  All in all, I weathered the cold and the snow pretty well,
but then cold doesn't bother me that much.  I don't have any electrical
goodies to keep warm with, and the only thing that would have been a
nice addition was heated grips.  The worst part about the cold was my
feet; seemed like nothing I did kept 'em warm.  But, hell, I didn't need
'em much anyway! As it turned out, taking the northern route across the
country was probably better than the southern route, considering the
evil storms that plagued everybody from southern California on east. 

Obviously I had a lot of people questioning my sanity on the ride:  When
asked why I was riding thru the snow belt in February I usually replied
"Anyone can ride across the country in July; I just wanted to see if I
could do it in February."  That usually shut 'em up.  Didn't see another
motorcycle on the highway from Portland until northern Arkansas...and
that poor fool was heading north INTO the storm! 

Had to buy a rear tire when I got here, and changed the oil and filter
yesterday, so I'm ready to head West.

Once again, I sure appreciate Dana's taking the time and trouble to post
this for me.  Like I say, I'll be at my son's e-mail address for a
couple more days, and I'll let everyone know when I get home.

Just A Ridin' Fool,

Tim
Portland, OR
PC800--41,600 and riding

"Growing old is mandatory, but growing up is optional."


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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 22:18:30 +0100 (MET)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: Gerard Diepeveen <pcn@dsv.nl>
Subject: Looking for...

Hi gang, does anyone know someone by the name of Darrel Broten?
He has filled in our guestbook and requested some information about the
Pacific Coast Netherlands, but he failed to fill in his e-mail address.

So if you him tell him to send me his e-mail address, my e-mail address is: 
pcn@dsv.nl

Thanks.

Gerard Diepeveen, Pacific Coast Netherlands
--------------------------------00---------------------
Gerard Diepeveen		'89 White
Pacific Coast Netherlands
E-Mail: pcn@dsv.nl or gerard@dsv.nl
O-PC-O:-) "May the Pacific Coast be with you"
Visit the Honda Pacific Coast Netherlands:
http://www.dsv.nl/~pcn/
------------------------------------------------------


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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 16:00:41 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: NEED RESPONSES, QUICK!!

Forwarded from the HSTA list.  Can any of you help this guy out?

Juan

>Hey everyone--I have a massive favor to ask.  If you don't live within a
>couple hours of Chicago, Rockford, or Beloit, WI, go ahead and delete this now.
>
>I am a rider of about two years now, and absolutely love it!  I have biked
>the West coast, gone cross-country twice, rebuilt my engine, and am planning
>an expedition of about 12k miles this summer.
>
>But right now, I'm in trouble.  I am an anthropology major at Beloit
>College, and as a project this semester, I am doing ethnographic work on the
>culture of motorcyclists, specifically "studying" why we ride.  It'll be an
>interesting project in the end, but the semester's halfway over, and up here
>in the northern midwest, winter is not quite over.  I need to start
>collecting data really quick here, or my prof says that I'll have to change
>my subject to make up time.  What I'm doing is a scholarly project, but my
>intent was to do the project on something I love--keeps the interest level up!
>
>So what I'm asking is: first, info on any rides at all in my area, whether
>it be with clubs or just individuals.  Second, I'm wondering if anyone would
>be willing and interested to get together with me individually or as a group
>for dinner or a beer or something to "shoot the shit" about biking. Of
>course, I'll have an agenda--certain questions to ask, notes to take, etc.,
>but the whole point is that I need real input from real individuals, so my
>agenda is really limited to finding out about _you_ and your love of
>motorcycling.  Last, if you are in a club in the area that I would be
>invited to join as a member, please let me know. 
>
>If you could forward this on e-mail or print it out and pass it on to as
>many people as you could, I'd really appreciate it!
>
>Can you help me out?
>
>-Todd Van Horne 
>Beloit College box 308
>Beloit, WI  53511
>(608) 363-4552
>vanhorne@stu.beloit.edu
>
>'81 CB750K 23k
"The best long distance runners eat raw meat, run naked and sleep in the snow"
						  -- from an Alaska Airlines ad
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Juan A. Goula				'90 Honda PC800
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences	'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX
University of Alaska Fairbanks		'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat
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          Fri, 28 Feb 1997 01:37:57 +0000

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To: Ron Pacholec <reap@pixi.com>
From: Gordon Golder <GAG@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Warm Honolululululu
Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 01:37:57 +0000

At 07:44 PM 2/27/97 +0000, you wrote:
>
>>Ron:  You sound like a nice jovial fellow with good legs.  We in the
>>northern climes have on retainer one named "Luigi".  I'm sure you have heard
>>of him.  He may pay you a friendly visit!!:-)
>>
>>Gordon (in rainy, snowy, cold, icy Michigan - but not for long!!)
>
>Gordon,
>
>We have some real big Tongans out here in the same line of business as
>Luigi.  I think I better put one on a retainer, you just never know.
>Anyway, it is beautiful out here just about all the time.  It is possible
>to rent bikes out here.  Riding along the ocean on a full moon is a truely
>memorable experience.  So if you ever plan a trip out here, drop me a line.
>Till then,
>
>Aloha,
>
>Ron
>
>PS  My brother worked for Ford out in Ypsilanti for a few years.  I visited
>him in the early fall and it was quite beautiful.
>
Ron:  Thanks for the invite.  I was there a couple of years ago; this year
it is Costa Rica, but no bike riding as my wife will be with me and she
merely tolerates my pasttime on the bike.  That moonlit ride along the ocean
sounds great!!  We do that along Lake Michigan in the summer.

You do have a beautiful state!!!

Next time you get to Ypsilanti or in Michigan, drop by.

Gordon 


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From: ChrisTUBA@aol.com
	  by emout20.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
	  id VAA25811 for PC800@hpc.uh.edu;
	  Thu, 27 Feb 1997 21:58:32 -0500 (EST)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 21:58:32 -0500 (EST)
To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC Specific Webpages up and running...

Hi All!

Well, the two web pages I promised are up and running.  Both are practical
and not really graphic intensive.  Anyway, the URL for the Great Wisconsin PC
Ride to be held in June is http://members.aol.com/christuba/pc80.htm  

The URL for our "Good