********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 07:19:17 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Atlanta MC Show Hi to the Georgia contingent: As it turns out, I am supposed to be in Atlanta over the weekend of the show, and I'd like to attend the show. I will be attending the Georgia Motorcycle Safety Program's annual instructor banquet on Saturday, the 18th. I don't have a certain time as yet, but since it is a banquet, it should be in the evening. If there is some time other than that at which the PC folk will be attending, perhaps Diane and I can work it out to be among your number. Keep me posted on the specifics regarding time and place. Regards, JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 11:41:23 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Seattle show anyone got a plan yet? The HRCA people are meeting at 11am at the show, then going to lunch at 1:30. If we're still planning to meet fri eve, will we have to pay again to go on saturday? Also, the Wet Leather group is meeting Saturday sometime and going to Cafe Veloce for dinner...Great little italian joint that has lots of old motorcycles in the building...It's off 405 in Totem Lake (about a 20 minute ride from the show if the weather is good.) The good news is that most of our 2 feet of snow has melted already. Albeit by the 4 inches of rain we've had in the past 2 days. Hopefully it will all clear up by the weekend. Temps are in the mid 50's, so a ride would be nice if it's not too wet. -- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, AKC http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800'" Subject: Seattle Show: Meeting Place Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 22:32:13 -0800 Sorry for the continued delay. Got sick and didn't get out till today to scout a place. For those PC800 folks meeting for the show FRIDAY NIGHT, I picked the restaurant nearby called "Rock Bottom Restaurant" located at 1313 5th Ave. It's in the Rainier Plaza building directly across from the 5th Avenue Theater and a couple of blocks south of Westlake Mall. The convention center is several blocks from there. I'll make a reservation for the group in the name "Pacific Coast Motorcycles" (original I know) and look for y'all between 6:00-7:30p. We'll walk over to the show from there. Since parking is limited to the streets I recommend parking at the Convention Center and walking to the restaurant. BTW: For those riding, the show has a coat/helmet/bag check for your gear so you won't have to carry it while browsing. See you then! -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'dkgross@halcyon.com'" , "'pc800'" Subject: RE: Seattle show Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 22:34:45 -0800 Sorry dude, you'll have to pay twice! I'm in the same boat going both days with both groups. Bring you AMA card for a $1 discount. Dinner at Café Veloce, eh? See you there too. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dave Gross [SMTP:dkgross@halcyon.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 1997 3:41 AM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Seattle show anyone got a plan yet? The HRCA people are meeting at 11am at the show, then going to lunch at 1:30. If we're still planning to meet fri eve, will we have to pay again to go on saturday? Also, the Wet Leather group is meeting Saturday sometime and going to Cafe Veloce for dinner...Great little italian joint that has lots of old motorcycles in the building...It's off 405 in Totem Lake (about a 20 minute ride from the show if the weather is good.) The good news is that most of our 2 feet of snow has melted already. Albeit by the 4 inches of rain we've had in the past 2 days. Hopefully it will all clear up by the weekend. Temps are in the mid 50's, so a ride would be nice if it's not too wet. -- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, AKC http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Chrchlls2@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 04:17:19 -0500 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Modulator I just put in the Prime Plus tailight/turnsignal flasher unit without any problems and it works great!. I'm compulsive so I soldered and taped connections rather than use the enclosed quickee squeeze splice clips. Like others I had to lengthen the wires by splicing in extensions so they could make it all the way to thier respective connection sites. Now I still have the headlight modulator to install and I do this with more trepidation. Problem: How to get to the headlight wiring harness. Do I really need to take off ALL the body panels in order to have access to the wiring under the dash? Problem: How to install the actuation switch. This is a 3/4 by 2 by2 inch size box with a clamp in which to affix it to the handle bars. I don't want to cut the handlebar covers even if I could figure out where to put it without interfering with the clutch lever reservoir, horn, and turn signal switches. I would prefer the dash but my owners manual doesn't show how to get to the back of the dash. I understand there are "removable" panels but I haven't figured out how to do so. Help! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 09:15:54 -0700 From: Art Rutledge To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC 800 Airbox etc I currently have my PC apart for a thorough going over and to repaint (previous owner dropped it). First some observations; There is a SKINNY bike hiding under all that plastic just 12" wide!!! Honda could have made it at least 80 Lb lighter. I fly and have owned my own aircraft (a few) for years. It is shocking to see how much some components weigh on this bike!! The seat grab rail/backrest (I have the Hondaline) must weigh at least 15 lb!!! The whole rear seat in my Mooney only weighs 4 Lb. Has anyone looked closely at the air box? This can't be good, it appears to be very restrictive and to breathe only warm air. Has anyone modified it to breathe easier and cooler??? ART ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 11:20:23 -0800 From: ed allyn <"ED ALLYN"@mhv.net> To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: FRONT WHEEL SHUDDER I'VE ALSO NOTICED THIS PROBLEM ON BOTH PC I'VE HAD ESP. AFTER ONLY A FEW MILES ON NEW TIRES AND IT GETS WORSE WITH AGE. IT HAPPENS IF I LET GO OF THE BARS FOR EVEN A SECOND (LIKE GETTING SOMETHING OUT OF MY POCKET), WHAT CAN BE DONE TO PREVENT IT (EVEN BALANCING IT DOES NOT HELP)..... with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 02 Jan 1997 11:38:34 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 11:43:37 -0500 From: JAN DEROOS To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Front Wheel Shudder Ed, First of all, please don't use all caps. It's hard to read and I won't even get into the good netiquette thing. Second, I too noticed the head shake problem, but licked it. I purchased an '89 PC with only 5000 mi. and immediately noticed the problem. Changed the tires (to the Dunlop K177's) and had the shop go through the front end, including changing fork oil, check/tighten the steering head, check the wheel bearings and static balance the front tire. Bearings were o.k., steering head was o.k. Better, but not cured. Then I had them spin balance the front tire, and I mean really do it right. It took the mechanic 45 min. while I stood over his sholder, but he got the tire dead on. Cured the problem. I recently took a spill (that's another story) and got the head shake back. So, off to the shop for another spin balance. Cured the problem again. You need a mechanic that will spend the time to do it correctly and not just add weight to make the wheel in balance. My mechanic claims it's better to put as little weight on as possible and to put half of the weight on each side of the wheel. YMMV. Good luck. Jan deRoos '89 PC800 16,000 mi. "Moby" jad10@cornell.edu >>> ed allyn <"ED ALLYN"@mhv.net> 01/02/97 02:20pm >>> I'VE ALSO NOTICED THIS PROBLEM ON BOTH PC I'VE HAD ESP. AFTER ONLY A FEW MILES ON NEW TIRES AND IT GETS WORSE WITH AGE. IT HAPPENS IF I LET GO OF THE BARS FOR EVEN A SECOND (LIKE GETTING SOMETHING OUT OF MY POCKET), WHAT CAN BE DONE TO PREVENT IT (EVEN BALANCING IT DOES NOT HELP)..... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 15:32:00 -0500 To: ED.ALLYN@mhv.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: FRONT WHEEL SHUDDER In a message dated 97-01-02 11:23:40 EST, ED ALLYN@mhv.net (ed allyn) writes: << 'VE ALSO NOTICED THIS PROBLEM ON BOTH PC I'VE HAD ESP. AFTER ONLY A FEW MILES ON NEW TIRES AND IT GETS WORSE WITH AGE. IT HAPPENS IF I LET GO OF THE BARS FOR EVEN A SECOND (LIKE GETTING SOMETHING OUT OF MY POCKET), WHAT CAN BE DONE TO PREVENT IT (EVEN BALANCING IT DOES NOT HELP)..... >> Sounds like you have a head bearing problem. You can probably solve it by having the head bearings adjusted unless they are damaged in which case they need to be replaced. Adjustment is pretty simple on most bikes (I haven't done it yet on a PC 800 so I can't speak for this particular model). Regards, <> pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 02 Jan 1997 20:31:00 -0500 (EST) pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 02 Jan 1997 20:29:44 -0500 (EST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 18:30:09 +0000 From: MDTurley Subject: 89 pc 800 4 sale To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu FOR SALE: 1989 PC800 See at Cycle Tune in Torrance, CA or call owner Mike at 1-406-656-8718 in Montana ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'Chrchlls2@aol.com'" , "'PC800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Modulator Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 17:54:42 -0800 You may be able to get all the access you need by just removing the black speaker cutout section of the dash. Along the lower edge on each cutout (left/right) is a horizontal piece of trim (about 1" tall by 3" wide) that can be pried off easily with a screwdriver. 2 phillips screws hold it on. Careful when you remove it as there are lots of plastic tabs that interlock with the rest of the dash area. Once removed you can gain access to all the wiring behind the dash through these cutouts. There are also metal tubing portions of the frame behind this panel that I've used to zip tie accessory components to. Suggestions for locating the switch: Left dash pocket (the whole control unit would fit as well) OR a small toggle switch near the throttle grip along the flat portion below the kill switch. I've used both these locations for switches and knobs. Good luck and don't forget to wash you hands afterwards. Where does all that dirt and dust that gets all over you come from anyhow? \"/ -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- id JAA15735; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 09:19:12 GMT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 09:22:15 +0000 From: john allan To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu CC: j.s.allan@open.ac.uk Subject: new subscriber John Allan Tring, U.K. Email j.s.allan@open.ac.uk PC800 1989 bought used no modifications other than +4 inch higher screen ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 17:00:39 -0800 From: greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers ) Subject: Oh Happy Day!!! To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Dear Listers: I have finally done it. After over three months of daily list reading and frequent dealer-hopping and Cycle Trader reading, I purchased a 1996 PC800 with 2,081 miles on it last Saturday. For those who are still shopping and interested, it was $6,000 (excuse me, I mean $5,999!). Since new ones seem to run around $7,500 to $7,800 depending on who you talk to, the price seemed fair. Not a scratch anywhere. I live right by Los Angeles Airport. I have now put on the first 300 miles up the Pacific Coast Highway to Malibu and over the Santa Monica Mountains and back (three times). What a great bike! Now my goal is to improve my riding skills to the point where my wife (and I) are comfortable riding two up. I took the MSF course and put 500 miles on a friend's Harley Softtail over the past two months, but otherwise haven't ridden in almost 30 years, and not much before that. One concern, I hope not major, and a couple questions of you experienced owners, if I may. My concern is that the engine pings at freeway speeds. I don't notice it until I've been going a few minutes, but I can't swear that it doesn't start right away. After I get off the freeway, it stops after 30 seconds or so at idle. The owner's manual says pinging is very bad, which we all know, but it also says (p. 27) "Occasionally you may experience light spark knock while operating under heavy loads. (I'm ONLY 215 lbs.) This is no cause for concern, it simply means your engine is operating efficiently". For the record, I'm using Chevron Supreme. Question: Is this pinging at freeway speeds normal? Should I try a different gasoline? Does my almost-new PC800 need fixing? My other issue is helmets. I'm using the one I borrowed with my friend's Harley, but he's going to want it back soon, and I have NO IDEA what helmet to buy, except that it will be full-face and XXL, and therefore won't fit in the trunk. My key concerns are maximum safety and maximum ventilation, for summer riding. Any ideas on where to read about helmets, or any personal thoughts? I saw an Arai ad that referenced reviews in the "Motorcyclist Magazine Helmet Issue", but I can't seem to find such a thing. Last, and probably least, is there a favorite type of cover? Must it have felt for the windscreen? For touring, I would think I would want one that would fold up pretty small to take with me. Most importantly, I would like to thank all of you PC800 listers who have been so incredibly helpful in my decision-making and my purchase. I just read over all my saved mail, and there are about 40 of you who were nice enough to send me personal messages or who posted information on the list that was very helpful to me. I can't thank you all enough!! What a great group. Hopefully I will have enough experience soon to be able to help others. Any thoughts on helmets, covers, and most of all pinging, are greatly appreciated. Greg Chambers greg501@ix.netcom.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 4 Jan 97 20:41:46 EST From: Keith Sproul To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: 1990 Red PC-800 plastics My local Motorcycle junk yard has several pieces of plastic to the 1990 RED PC-800. These parts are brand-new, but might have a small scratch or something. He thinks he has ALL of the plastic to the entire bike, but is not sure. I saw the box for the trunk and the trunk-cowling. The rest of the boxes were buried.. If anyone needs any plastics to the red 1990, let me know.. I expect these parts will be HALF of normal price... Keith Keith Sproul Ham Radio: WU2Z Student Housing Network Coordinator ksproul@noc.rutgers.edu Rutgers University Computing Services 908 445-3695 Work 908 445-2968 Fax http://www-ns.rutgers.edu/~ksproul/ 908 821-4828 Home ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 19:58:09 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dube To: Keith Sproul cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: 1990 Red PC-800 plastics I am interested in a radiator, if it is available from that junkyard or if anyone happens to have one for sale. Thanks. MPD for ; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 21:31:47 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 21:31:45 -0800 From: philip ross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: new member Greetings all- I am new to the mail list, so by way of introduction: My name is Philip Ross and I live in Olympia, Washington. I own a 1990 pc800, in that great shade of red. I am 39 yrs. old and have been riding for about 13 years. I bought my bike from the original owner in 1992 with 3000 miles on the clock. The bike's light and effortless steering is pure joy on the open road. My only problem crops up in parking lots and tight quarters. I am 5'4" tall with a 28" inseam, and I sometimes tire of muscling the brute around on my tip-toes. I would appreciate any input on the corbin seat modification to drop the seat height,preferably from other riders as vertically challenged as myself... Also-any one else out there who enjoys riding around the Puget Sound? I do most of mine around Rainier and the south Cascades, or out toward the coast or Hood canal. Whew! Sorry for being so long winded, but glad to be aboard! Phil Ross (one bike, a house, a mortgage, a wife, two kids, no problem!) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 20:30:12 -0800 (PST) From: Johan Lai To: Greg Chambers cc: PC800 Mail List Subject: Re: Oh Happy Day!!! Hi Greg! Congratulations! Hope to see you around soon. Visit our So. Cal. web site in the making if you have access (http://www.concentric.net/~johanlai/pcrsc). There's a small group of us in the general vicinity and we ride every month (or try to anyways). Next week (1/11) we're going down to Palomar (San Diego) to celebrate our one year anniversary. Let Phil know (pilewis1@concentric.net) if you can make it. We take turns organizing the rides and he's doing the next one. There's about 5 of us in Orange County, 2 in LA (including you), and 2 in San Diego that are on this mailing list. We're not a formal group (yet). Just a bunch of guys (and wives/significant others) riding together. 9 PC's _would_ be a sight on the freeway :) I can't advise you on the pinging. I don't think it's happened to any of our PC's in the small group. I think mine is the most senior with 27k miles. You might want to run it by another dealer and see if they know any better. For helmets, Shoei (sp?) are great in terms of cutting wind noise (RF700 is on my mind). I have an RF200 but I don't really use it that much, except when it's cold. With the tall windshield/full-face combination, it seems too much like I'm in a car (just my opinion of course). My primary brain bucket is an HJC half helmet. It's got a zip off soft piece to expose the ears when it's hot. It can be a good thing or bad, you'll have to decide which. Eric Matthew's got one of those funky full face helmets that opens up like a clam shell, with the jaw portion flipping upwards. It's actully pretty neat. You can ask him more about that (ericeric@concentric.net). Most bike covers have a soft piece for the windshield. If it doesn't, just put a T-shirt over the shield before you cover it. If you've got a Hondaline tall shield, it's a MUST anyways if you don't want your dash melting away. See mailing list archive for the history of dash cooking or ask one of us via private email. We even witnessed it first hand! Hope this helps! Cheers, Johan Lai Orange, CA '89 "Cassandra" On Sat, 4 Jan 1997, Greg Chambers wrote: > Dear Listers: > > I have finally done it. After over three months of daily list reading > and frequent dealer-hopping and Cycle Trader reading, I purchased a > 1996 PC800 with 2,081 miles on it last Saturday. For those who are > still shopping and interested, it was $6,000 (excuse me, I mean > $5,999!). Since new ones seem to run around $7,500 to $7,800 depending > on who you talk to, the price seemed fair. Not a scratch anywhere. > > I live right by Los Angeles Airport. I have now put on the first 300 > miles up the Pacific Coast Highway to Malibu and over the Santa Monica > Mountains and back (three times). What a great bike! Now my goal is > to improve my riding skills to the point where my wife (and I) are > comfortable riding two up. I took the MSF course and put 500 miles on > a friend's Harley Softtail over the past two months, but otherwise > haven't ridden in almost 30 years, and not much before that. > > One concern, I hope not major, and a couple questions of you > experienced owners, if I may. My concern is that the engine pings at > freeway speeds. I don't notice it until I've been going a few minutes, > but I can't swear that it doesn't start right away. After I get off > the freeway, it stops after 30 seconds or so at idle. The owner's > manual says pinging is very bad, which we all know, but it also says > (p. 27) "Occasionally you may experience light spark knock while > operating under heavy loads. (I'm ONLY 215 lbs.) This is no cause for > concern, it simply means your engine is operating efficiently". For > the record, I'm using Chevron Supreme. > > Question: Is this pinging at freeway speeds normal? Should I try a > different gasoline? Does my almost-new PC800 need fixing? > > My other issue is helmets. I'm using the one I borrowed with my > friend's Harley, but he's going to want it back soon, and I have NO > IDEA what helmet to buy, except that it will be full-face and XXL, and > therefore won't fit in the trunk. My key concerns are maximum safety > and maximum ventilation, for summer riding. Any ideas on where to read > about helmets, or any personal thoughts? I saw an Arai ad that > referenced reviews in the "Motorcyclist Magazine Helmet Issue", but I > can't seem to find such a thing. > > Last, and probably least, is there a favorite type of cover? Must it > have felt for the windscreen? For touring, I would think I would want > one that would fold up pretty small to take with me. > > Most importantly, I would like to thank all of you PC800 listers who > have been so incredibly helpful in my decision-making and my purchase. > I just read over all my saved mail, and there are about 40 of you who > were nice enough to send me personal messages or who posted information > on the list that was very helpful to me. I can't thank you all > enough!! What a great group. Hopefully I will have enough experience > soon to be able to help others. > > Any thoughts on helmets, covers, and most of all pinging, are greatly > appreciated. > > Greg Chambers > greg501@ix.netcom.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 22:28:18 -0800 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: Oh Happy Day!!! On the pinging issue -- I beleive the owner's manual reocmmends 87 octane for the PC. Chevron Supreme is 92, and may be burning too hot. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 22:33:20 -0800 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: new member Welcome, Phil! I'm in Seattle, also have a '90. Also, 5'4-1/2" with a short inseam. The Corbin lowered the seat hight, but increase the width slightly for a net "no change" on being able to flat foot the bike. I did have my riding boots resoled with Vibram soles, which gave me a bit nore hoght and more importantly, traction. My brother Dave ('89 PC) and I do most of our riding out towards Monroe, Granite Falls, and the North Cascades. We do like to get down to Ranier and St. Helens in the summers, tho... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Oh Happy Day!!! From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 05 Jan 1997 01:05:51 -0600 Lines: 38 >>>>> "JL" == Johan Lai writes: JL> For helmets, Shoei (sp?) are great in terms of cutting wind noise JL> (RF700 is on my mind). I have an RF200 but I don't really use it that JL> much, except when it's cold. I just have to pipe up. For the past three years I've been using an AGV R1, which isn't a bad helmet but isn't that great, either. It was the first helmet I'd ever had and I didn't really know what to expect. It was also on sale big time and had nice graphics that didn't have canary yellow or purple or anything disgusting in them. Well, for christmas my family banded together and bought me one of the new Shoei X-9 lids. Wow. I honestly can't imagine how I managed without it. With the AGV I absolutely had to ride with the shield open because the helmet was just too loud with it closed. It also had pitiful ventilation, and since I live in Houston that's a big deal. (Then again, there wasn't a day in the past three years when I wouldn't ride, except for rain so bad that I wouldn't drive a car.) The X-9 is cool and quiet. It's also three times as expensive, but I'm convinced it's worth it. I have both an '89 (extra short) and '94 screen on my PC. (No, not at the same time!) No 'wing screen for me. Perhaps after I get the Corbin and the Givi box and and and and... I refuse to wear anything but a full face helmet. All of my riding is city commuting in traffic. I also always wear an Aerostich 2-piece Roadcrafter with enhanced pads and now complete with hip pads and a back brace (more christmas goodies). Oh, yeah. I'm obligated to ask that you guys try to trim the quoted text from your messages. Johan's reply was so long that the software consulted me before sending it. But it keeps out the magazine subscription spams so I'm not complaining. -- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 09:18:08 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: 1997 Microfiche Greetings all, The 1997 PC-800 microfiche has arrived. (It actually covers all years from 89-97) ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 10:35:42 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Oh Happy Day!!! Hi Greg and welcome: If your engine is really pinging on premium fuel, then there must be something amiss, like a gross misadjustment in ignition timing or severe overheating (how's the coolant temperature behaving?). A properly tuned PC (assuming that the compression ratio hasn't been modified) will run just fine on regular unleaded, and running premium in an engine that doesn't need it is at best a waste of money. However, since the "pinging" persists even at idle for a time, I suspect that it may not be pinging at all. It may be a partially collapsed valve lifter or some other mechanical noise. In any case, the cause needs to be found and corrected quickly. It most definitely is not normal. I believe Corbin and other custom seat manufacturers will build you a saddle that meets your needs, but you probably would need to go to their factory to prevent a long series of trial-and-error shipping back and forth. My recommendation is to buy the best full-facial-coverage helmet you can afford. Both Shoei and Arai make great ones as some of the members have already pointed out. We've got the Hondaline covers on our PCs, and they work perfectly. They are a bit bulky since they are full coverage, cloth covers. If space is an issue, then there are light-weight/partial coverage covers available. I have no personal experience with such covers, but I've heard them mentioned on the list in the past. Enjoy, JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Chrchlls2@aol.com Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 10:43:03 -0500 To: tibbs@hpc.uh.edu cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Oh Happy Day!!! Congrats on your purchase of a new circle of friends! Oh yeah a motorcycle too. Helmets: I took the MSF course and it plus a short conversation with one of my patients convinced me to buy a full face helmet regardless of the heat factor. In SoCal the latter is a significant concern. I had a patient comment about my motorcycle boots (I commute to work on my bike) and we fell into a conversation about riding etc. He pointed out some parallel scars from the corners of his mouth to his chin (well healed and not blatantly noticable). It seems he was riding his crotch rocket with the typical vestigial low windshield when he passengersided a left turner. He understandably went over the bars but not before the impact crushed the front end of his bike enough to fracture his windshield and raise it just enough to catch him in the gums of the lower jaw with a broken edge. His half shell helmet prevented him from incurring any serious skull damage but it took several months of reconstructive surgery to put his lower face back together again. HE STATED (not me) that he probably would have come out of it without any significant injury if he had been wearing the full face helmet THAT HE NOW WEARS. Stats of similar lower face injuries have convinced me the worthyness of a full face helmet. I like to play the odds in my favor. As for brand I believe the key is to try on several brands and buy the one that FITS. I and my wife both have Arai full face helmets which were fitted in the shop. Arai has several sizes of cheek pads that can be exchanged to achieve the optimum fit. Mine fits like it grew on my head-no hot spots, no hard spots, and yet a close enough fit that it moves with my head when I shake it "no". My wife's fit her the same way with different cheek pads. We both have the same hat and helmet size but I cannot wear her helmet because her head shape is so different from mine and it is customized to fit her. That's a good fit. Good luck and good riding! SAC '89PC 35k and counting ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 17:04:16 -0800 From: greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers ) Subject: Steve Gross wins the PING contest! To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Good News! Steve Gross recommended the easiest and cheapest fix for my pinging at freeway speeds. And best of all, he was right! All I needed was 87 octane regular instead of 92 octane supreme. It was apparently burning hot. I couldn't stand the thought of worrying all week until I could check it next Saturday, so I just siphoned a full tank of premium and put it in my T-bird, where it will be properly appreciated. I then put on 25 freeway miles using regular unleaded with no pinging at all. I guess I'd rather appear stupid than have a big problem, so I'm glad it was the gas. Thanks everyone, and especially Steve, for your help. Greg Chambers ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 17:39:50 -0800 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 , Greg Chambers Subject: Re: Steve Gross wins the PING contest! Greg, gald to condense the group's collective wisdom for ya. I had the same problem when I got the PC, and the change of gas did the trick. The only other comment on gas that I've heard is my mechanic, Tom Sill @ Lake City Honda/Kaw/Skidoo has said that he's see two or three PC with problems and the only common factor was that they used BP gas. Not sure if it's true, but why take a chance? for ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 20:31:46 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 20:31:51 -0800 From: philip ross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Stubborn side covers I sure do love my PC, but removing and installing all that plastic can sometimes ruin my day-does anyone know of a good lubricant to apply to the plastic tabs and to the rubber grommets on the frame to make ensuing maintenance easier? Thanks! Phil Ross Olympia, Wa. '90 PC ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 22:02:47 -0800 (PST) From: Johan Lai To: PC800 Mail List Subject: Re: Re: Oh Happy Day!!! Jason, thanks for the tip on quoted text. I hadn't thought about that. As for full face helmets, I did use it everyday when I commuted w/ my PC. That's how I racked up the 27k. If I go into a densely populated area, I also grab the full face w/o a thought. I only meant to say that since my riding is only on our short trips together, now I have a choice for full protection and deal w/ a little heat, or stay cool and accept the personal risk. I fully endorse and encourage all the protection we can afford. On a side note, When I was in high school, I went to buy a full face helmet to go w/ my Yamaha Seca 400. I remarked to the salesman how expensive they were. I never forgot his reply: "You got a $10 head, buy a $10 helmet." That shut me up real quick :) Johan Lai Orange, CA '89 "Cassandra" On 5 Jan 1997, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > I refuse to wear anything but a full face helmet. All of my riding is city > commuting in traffic. I also always wear an Aerostich 2-piece Roadcrafter > with enhanced pads and now complete with hip pads and a back brace (more > christmas goodies). > > Oh, yeah. I'm obligated to ask that you guys try to trim the quoted text > from your messages. Johan's reply was so long that the software consulted > me before sending it. But it keeps out the magazine subscription spams so > I'm not complaining. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 05:48:36 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: philip ross CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Stubborn side covers philip ross wrote: does anyone know of a good lubricant to apply to > the plastic tabs and to the rubber grommets on the frame to make ensuing > maintenance easier? Thanks! Armor-All (In liberal amounts) ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net ________________________________________________________________________ id LAA03338; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 11:37:07 GMT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 11:40:09 +0000 From: john allan To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu CC: user@open.ac.uk Subject: Gas Interested in the discussion on gas. here in UK lowest octane is 95! No problems using that at all. On continent lowest is 92. I suspect it is not the octane rating that is important, but what the bike has ben tuned for. Bike has to be tuned (i.e. ignition setting) to suit the octane rating and can happily use anything from 82-95. John ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Estes, Cory S" To: "'carol ann decelle-meek'" Cc: "'PC 800 List'" Subject: RE: cargo trailer Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 08:27:18 -0500 Hi, Meeks! Just got back from the holiday break, so if someone has already answered this one......... Check out the PC800 Web page in the picture area. There are some pictures there of my trailer hitch mounted on Juan's bike. I haven't pulled w/ it yet, but the guy who made the hitch had two PC's w/ matching trailers for he and his wife. Both have towed all over the country (from Montreal, Quebec) and have had no troubles at all, last I knew. Sorry I can't provide any more info than that. **************************************************************** Cory S. Estes* *Motorcycle Adventurist '89 Honda Pacific Coast(Millennium Turtle) *Observer of Humanity '90 Honda GB-500 *Lover of Life '94 Chevy S-10 P-Up (Turtle 2) **************************************************************** >---------- >From: carol ann decelle-meek[SMTP:r&cmeek@bayou.com] >Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 1996 6:49 PM >To: Pacific Coast >Subject: cargo trailer > >Merry Christmas to all of you and may your riding experiences in 1997 > be safe and memorable. > >I am looking for PC riders out there who are pulling cargo trailers. >I would like specifics on the following questions? > >How is your trailer hitch attached? > a. How did you acquire the hitch? > >What make of cargo trailer are you using at the present time. > > a. How would you critique your experience with it? > > b. If you were to acquire another cargo trailer, what make would > you select the second time around? > >Those of you who have experience in pulling cargo trailers with your >PC I will appreciate your input. > >If anyone out there has a nice cargo trailer for sale I would like >to hear from you as to make, year, extras, and what you are asking >for it. > >Thank you. > >r&cmeek@bayou.com >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 09:12:24 -0500 From: Roger Prince To: philip ross Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Stubborn side covers Spray the grommets with silicone spray. Works good inside your Totes also. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 09:34:25 -0500 To: greg501@ix.netcom.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Oh Happy Day!!! Congrats..... 1. pinging????? The motors in these bikes are quite bullet proof (except the stators) Maybe you're hearing your heart???? 2. helemts?? I have a Shoei RF-700 XL fits into the trunk just fine full face works great not super ventilation but..... 3. I have a full bike cover with a soft material that goes over the wind shield spot. I don't take it with me because it's really bulky. Enjoy the ride, keep the round bits down.... Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 12:55:48 -0800 From: Robert Steve Delorey To: philip ross CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Stubborn side covers philip ross wrote: > > I sure do love my PC, but removing and installing all that plastic can > sometimes ruin my day-does anyone know of a good lubricant to apply to > the plastic tabs and to the rubber grommets on the frame to make ensuing > maintenance easier? Thanks! > > Phil Ross > Olympia, Wa.Phil, I use Vaseline. It helps considerably and as far as I can tell does not cause the rubber to deteriorate. Steve ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'philip ross'" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: new member Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 11:47:00 -0800 Welcome to the group Phil! There are about a half-dozen or so PC800 riders in the Puget Sound area, mostly up farther north in Seattle. A handful in Portland too. I grew up not far from you in Shelton, Wa out on the Olympic Peninsula. Send me your address/phone number and I'll give you a call next time I'm riding down to see mom. Corbin saddles are lower but wider. This results in having to spread you legs farther apart when you touch down at a stoplight. However, I see no reason why the factory couldn't modify their design just a bit and limit the seat width to accommodate your needs. You just need to tell 'em first. I have a Corbin on my bike so I'll have to give you a try sometime on my way through Oly town. Maybe this Spring we can get the group together for a ride out to Ocean Shores or something. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu From: BBrick@packer.edu (Barbara Brick) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 15:04:43 GMT Subject: Not heard from you in a long time To Tibbs: Our school has undertaken to combine our email account with our Gateway provider and hence the email is all screwed up. I have suddenly lost all my friends on line. Can you restablish my name in the group under the following new address: bbrick@Packer.edu I was originally posted as Barbara_Brick@Packer.edu but the new program does not recognize this and doesn't even allow for a changeover "grace period" to make adjustments for the change. Can you believe this?. Can you put my name on the list? Thanks, ------------------------- Packer Collegiate Institute Brooklyn, NY USA ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: BBrick@packer.edu (Barbara Brick) Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Not heard from you in a long time From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 06 Jan 1997 15:41:16 -0600 Lines: 18 >>>>> "BB" == Barbara Brick writes: BB> To Tibbs: But you sent it to the entire list. BB> Our school has undertaken to combine our email account with our Gateway BB> provider and hence the email is all screwed up. Ah, well, it was mildly messed up before, with lots of intermittent problems. Hopefully it will be better now. BB> Can you restablish my name in the group under the following new BB> address: Welcome back! - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 20:27:01 -0500 (EST) From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: I knowingly run the risk.... of getting "check the damn archives!" messages. And they would all be well-deserved. As I have stated before, my system (used thru work) does not allow me to any but the most menial computer- tasks. While that is to change by the end of Q1, I'm stuck with asking things that have been covered here before. My wife and I are seeking a top-quality radio/communication system that we can use from bike to bike, or two-up when we go that way. I checked out the Sierra Electronics system that was just reviewed in Rider, and for $710 we'll get a CB/Weather/FM system, mike/earphones installed in our full-face helmets, and an optional antenna. It seems like an excellent system, but it isn't practical for two-up per the company. I am REAL open to some ideas. I'm willing to spend at least the number mentioned above and probably more if it makes sense. So please put up with the covering of old ground until we get some decent software. Thanks in advance for any and all ideas. And Happy New Year to eveyone! Alan '89 PC800 '94 XV535 (The Better Half's) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 20:16:16 -0800 From: greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers ) Subject: Re: Gas To: john allan Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu You wrote: > >Interested in the discussion on gas. here in UK lowest octane is 95! No >problems using that at all. John I imagine yours would ping like the dickens over here on regular unleaded! You'd have to pay $1.35 for premium! I'll bet you could live with that. Greg Chambers ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 00:09:32 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: George Hudson Subject: For Sale Got this off the GWRRA hompage: 1994 Pacific Coast with 14000+ miles. Built-In AM/FM Radio, Built-In CB Radio, Bra, Extended windshield, Side marker lights, Roto Cover lights, plus more extra's. Please contact Allyson at E-Mail oneali@juno.com or call 914-758-9464 Asking $5500.00 ********************************************** George Hudson 93 GL-1500 Aspencade georgeh@en.com 96 ST-1100 Solon,Ohio 76 GL-1000 Standard (2) GWRRA 91008 STOC 302 AMA 415992 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 07:59:21 -0800 From: PILEWIS1 To: "Alan D. Smith" CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: I knowingly run the risk.... Alan D. Smith wrote: > > My wife and I are seeking a top-quality radio/communication system > that we can use from bike to bike, or two-up when we go that > way. Hi Alan, You might want to look at the web page of Sound Radio Products at "http://www.eskimo.com/%7Eantenna/listrad.html" for some ideas. I think they have an online catalog of some most of their products. You could also call the people that I just ordered from, and see if they have a catalog. The number is 800/633-3410x340 and their address is 2630 5th Ave South Irondale, AL 35210-1240 Hours are 7:30-5:30 CST Our group uses the Maxon 49mhz "cheapie" communications. It works well enough, but it sounds like you'd like a quieter better system. I'm sure you'll get some good references from some other riders. Take Care, Phil So. Cal. ("Currently, blowing away in the Wind.") ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu'" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: I knowingly run the risk.... Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 12:00:44 -0800 My intercom/CB system was built by Mark Reis of MR Communications. Mark knows the industry, what's available, and can build whatever it is you need. He can explain what J&M, CycleComm, Nady, and others have to offer plus what he can build through a combination of other devices. He's a former Naval foreman running an electronics maintenance line. He knows his stuff and motorcycle communications and electronics is now is business. He also bids by the job, not by his time 'cause he's such a self-admitting perfectionist. He does it till it's right. Call him at (206) 335-1296 and tell him I sent you. He'll set you up. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Chrchlls2@aol.com by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id GAA24416; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 06:21:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 06:21:11 -0500 (EST) To: jlai@filenet.com cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Modulator Thanks for all the replies and assists for installing the headlight modulator;particularly in gaining access to the space behind the dash. The deed is done! And not a bad job of it I do say so myself. I disassembled the front without major mishap per the instructions given to me by various members of this esteemed group. The side mirrors, trim piece, air intake grille, windshield clamp, and windshield all were removed without difficulty. I was then able to wire the modulator into the headlight's source and zip tie the module to the frame just right of the speedometer. I also removed the handlebar covers, made cutouts and installed the activity light and two switches in the right upper cover just above the starter "button". Though I probably didn't need to, I removed the dash cover also which made routing the wires easier. This also enabled me to clean some areas otherwise inaccessable. Reassembly also went without a hitch and I didn't have any left over or missing parts! Wow! By the way, it also works. Imagine! Between my tailight flashers and my headlight modulator I now have more attention getters than a convention of drill sargeants. Thanks all! To all you SCPCRC types- see it in action this Saturday! SAC '89PC 35k and counting ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: NVXL62A@prodigy.com ( GORDON FRANK HSTA7186RG) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 10:22:13, -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Heater Cable Please advise:! Have I created a problem by running my Electric Heated suit cable thru the gas tank lock box? The wires are insulated, of course, and storing the cable attachment head in the box is a neat way to keep the wires out of sight, when not in use. But is there a fire/spark hazard?? My Gerbing electric heated suit and gloves are working perfectly by the way. and combined with the taller Rifle shield, I'm as comfy as toast in all conditions so far, this mild winter in Georgia.. ____ Gordon Frank NVXL62A@Prodigy.Com Atlanta, Georgia USA ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA15878; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 11:16:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 11:16:18 -0500 (EST) To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: mid winter motorcycle show Hi All, Well, the response to a potential gathering of us around the Chicago Mid Winter Bike Show has been underwhelming. But, to try again, What: Chicago Winter Motorcycle Show Where: Ohare Expo Center 5555 N. River Rd. Rosemont, IL This is close to O'Hare International Airport, NW of Chicago, Near 294 and I90 Price: $8.00 Friday, Jan 17th 5pm-10pm Saturday, Jan 18th 10am-10pm Sunday, Jan 19th 10am-6pm There is a large group from MN coming down for the show. I don't know where they are staying. Perhaps you guys could post your schedule and some of the locals could meet up with you. I will be out of town that weekend so I'll have to listen to the stories later. Some of you have mentioned something about a booth. I don't know anything about a booth for the HSTA but I'll try to have someone bring some membership forms. If you have any ????, please e-mail or call. If you have suggestions about a place to meet, PLEASE post 'em. Thanks, Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA09415; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 11:18:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 11:18:00 -0500 (EST) To: NVXL62A@prodigy.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Heater Cable in the gas cap area Thats exactly how my Widder electics are stored, excess hookup wiring and thermostat in the gas box area. No flame ups yet.... Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Estes, Cory S" To: "'NVXL62A@prodigy.com'" , "'PC 800 List'" Subject: RE: Heater Cable Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 11:29:03 -0500 Hey Gordon, IMHO, it seems to me that if your wires are insulated and there's nothing sharp to wear or cut or break the insulation and nothing that could ground the + wire if the insulation does break or get cut..............it shouldn't be a problem. **************************************************************** Cory S. Estes* *Motorcycle Adventurist '89 Honda Pacific Coast(Millennium Turtle) *Observer of Humanity '90 Honda GB-500 *Lover of Life '94 Chevy S-10 P-Up (Turtle 2) **************************************************************** >---------- >From: NVXL62A@prodigy.com[SMTP:NVXL62A@prodigy.com] >Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 1997 7:00 PM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Heater Cable > >Please advise:! >Have I created a problem by running my Electric Heated suit cable >thru the gas tank lock box? > >The wires are insulated, of course, and storing the cable attachment >head in the box is a neat way to keep the wires out of sight, when >not in use. But is there a fire/spark hazard?? > >My Gerbing electric heated suit and gloves are working perfectly by >the way. and combined with the taller Rifle shield, I'm as comfy as >toast in all conditions so far, this mild winter in Georgia.. > >____ >Gordon Frank NVXL62A@Prodigy.Com > Atlanta, Georgia USA >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA02090; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 11:47:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 11:47:54 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: IL Bike Show, the MN group Hello again, Ray Nielsen, Dennis Sullivan, and Doug Hasert will be getting to the show between 1:30pm and 2pm on Saturday, the 18th. They plan to stay at the show till about 5 or 6. They are staying at the Motel 6 in Elk Grove Village. I've chatted with Ray at the FOF Ride and knows EVERYTHING about the PC. So, local members, why don't we meet Ray and Co. at the front gate @ 2pm. Perhaps someone can wear some HSTA garb to make the ID easier. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 09:09:37 -0800 From: Johan Lai To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Modulator Congratulations Steve! Everyone bring cameras. I'm sure our PC brothers (and sisters) will want to see what the switch looks like :) Johan Lai Orange, CA '89 "Cassandra" Chrchlls2@aol.com wrote: > > Thanks for all the replies and assists for installing the headlight > modulator;particularly in gaining access to the space behind the dash. > The deed is done! And not a bad job of it I do say so myself. I > disassembled the front without major mishap per the instructions given to me > by various members of this esteemed group. The side mirrors, trim piece, air > intake grille, windshield clamp, and windshield all were removed without > difficulty. I was then able to wire the modulator into the headlight's > source and zip tie the module to the frame just right of the speedometer. I > also removed the handlebar covers, made cutouts and installed the activity > light and two switches in the right upper cover just above the starter > "button". Though I probably didn't need to, I removed the dash cover also > which made routing the wires easier. This also enabled me to clean some > areas otherwise inaccessable. Reassembly also went without a hitch and I > didn't have any left over or missing parts! Wow! By the way, it also works. > Imagine! > Between my tailight flashers and my headlight modulator I now have more > attention getters than a convention of drill sargeants. Thanks all! > To all you SCPCRC types- see it in action this Saturday! > SAC '89PC 35k and counting ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 11:56:18 +0000 From: Gary Wilson To: pacific coast list Subject: parts howdy, ya'll. i just bought an 89 pc and am pleased as punch with it. now i need a parts dealer who ya'll think is a good guy that is discounted and reliable. any hints? gary. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'NVXL62A@prodigy.com'" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Heater Cable Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 11:03:02 -0800 I routed my cables to the right dash "pocket" cover that gives access to the coolant reservoir. Using a Dremel tool I cut a small square notch along the lower (rear?) most edge of the cover to allow the wire to pass through. When it's cold out I leave the cable sticking through the notch. When warmer weather returns (oh, say July) I tuck the cable back inside and out of sight. The notch remains but it looks much like a drain hole. Oh yes, you'll need to loosely zip tie the cable to something so it doesn't fall down in the engine area. Just tie it tight enough to let the cable slide (I have about 6 inches of slack) but not enough that the connector slides through. Another idea: ------------------ As for the fuel door, I found it an excellent place to store a coiled cable lock for use when securing helmets/gear to the bike. The coiled mass wraps around the fuel neck and still leaves the gas cap easy to access. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 13:36:45 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: NYC Show in Feb To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Anyone planning on going to the NYC show in Feb at the Javits Center? I will definately be going and thought we could meet. Chris Klass New Jersey (on the Hudson, near the tunnel) 95 PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 17:34:44 -0500 (EST) From: Nick Witzell To: Bryce Ulrich cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Heater Cable fellow wrenchers (some times plumbers)... another way to skin a cat: On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Bryce Ulrich wrote: > I routed my cables to the right dash "pocket" cover that gives access to > the coolant reservoir. for my aux external electric outlet: so far the same, but instead of cutting a notch for the cable and connector to dangle out of, bore a hole in the cover and mount a bmw flip lid aux receptacle, or a boating cigarette lighter receptacle, both water resistant. ...and if you screw it up you just need to by the cover for a few bucks. the beamer connector is smaller than the cig lighter, but much more expensive. still riding, great winter for 2 wheels so far. But the skis are ready ;_) Nick 95 pc800 96 cb750 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 10 Jan 1997 08:59:04 +1000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 08:59:04 +1000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: ultspnch@ecn.net.au (Ronald Grant) Subject: Return to list from Oz! Well hello again! Not sure if every on off deserves an intro, but.... So I just landed back in Brisbane after a 5 week exploration vacation in Kiribati and Nauru, ( dont be shy to go scrambling for your atlas!) to find my home alone pc start up on the first few turns! I guess when your garage never varies from 75+- 3 degrees you dont really need gas stabalizer, eh!? As I will not be working for a while,with no need to thread the early am traffic jams to town, I will be using the pc instead of the Helix(es) so looking forward to that. Also, heading off to the travel agent later to confirm my 2 month trip to USA leaving April so will be doing lots of planning for that. Hope to buy a m/c in Florida and spend 2 months up and down the East coast....already salivating over the prospects of riding the Blue Ridge p/way, Georgia back roads, W. Virginia, Vermont, etc. Just hope I can get the RIGHT kind of m/c. Of COURSE a pc would be good, but probably off-budjet for this trip. Recent m/c trader forwarded from Florida exhibited a GREAT preponderence of chopper-types....NOT my favorite! O.K. peoples, will be glad to get into the gossip loop once again....Regards, Ron Grant. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 18:54:24 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: GORDON FRANK HSTA7186RG CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Heater Cable GORDON FRANK HSTA7186RG wrote: > The wires are insulated, of course, and storing the cable attachment > head in the box is a neat way to keep the wires out of sight, when > not in use. But is there a fire/spark hazard?? The only concern I would have is if you had a static charge built up relative to the bike when you went to remove the cable from the trunk latch area. A possibility exists of perhaps discharging the static to the ground lead of the cable. This shouldn't be a problem when starting the bike cold as there is no fume accumulation, but may be of some concern when starting while engine is still warm. That's my humble best guess anyway... gk ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 16:07:15 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Sid Liebes Subject: Ear Plugs An inquiry regarding wind noise suppression: I ride '97 PC800 with standard wind screen. I'm 5'9", and see the road, over the top of the wind screen, approx 30ft ahead, with eyes est. 4" above top of screen. I wear a Shoei FR-700 full-face helmet. At speeds over 45 mph, I find the low frequency wind noise irritating, and speculate that over 50 mph the cumulative long-term exposure could gradually damage hearing. I have tried a couple of brands of ear plugs: 1) Heros ... 30 db noise reduction rating 2) Husher .. 29 " I find neither particularly effective with the lower frequency beating, and remain uncomfortable over 55 mph. I have a call in to an audiologist to discuss custom molded plugs. I would be interested to hear of any ear plug solutions that solve the problem with the standard wind screen. I would speculate that, without changing the height of the screen, if Honda were to curve the top of the screen forward, similar to RT1100, the wind might be deflected to pass above the top of the helmet? I have neither experience nor knowledge re effectiveness of RT1100 stock screen. - Sid ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Rusty Jackson To: "'Sid Liebes'" Cc: "'PC 800 Mailing List'" Subject: RE: Ear Plugs Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 16:00:36 -0800 You might want to look into a Rifle fairing instead of the ear plugs. Rifle has changed the angle of attack on the windscreen and it does a very good job of deflecting the wind up and over you. They have a web site at www.rifle.com if you want to check them out. Rusty ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Sid Liebes[SMTP:liebes@hplms2.hpl.hp.com] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 1997 4:07 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Ear Plugs An inquiry regarding wind noise suppression: I ride '97 PC800 with standard wind screen. I'm 5'9", and see the road, over the top of the wind screen, approx 30ft ahead, with eyes est. 4" above top of screen. I wear a Shoei FR-700 full-face helmet. At speeds over 45 mph, I find the low frequency wind noise irritating, and speculate that over 50 mph the cumulative long-term exposure could gradually damage hearing. I have tried a couple of brands of ear plugs: 1) Heros ... 30 db noise reduction rating 2) Husher .. 29 " I find neither particularly effective with the lower frequency beating, and remain uncomfortable over 55 mph. I have a call in to an audiologist to discuss custom molded plugs. I would be interested to hear of any ear plug solutions that solve the problem with the standard wind screen. I would speculate that, without changing the height of the screen, if Honda were to curve the top of the screen forward, similar to RT1100, the wind might be deflected to pass above the top of the helmet? I have neither experience nor knowledge re effectiveness of RT1100 stock screen. - Sid -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 09 Jan 97 12:48:16 PST From: "Wanda Bailie" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800 Heated Clothing hook up I ran my hook up cable into my trunk. It's out of the way when not in use and I just stick it through the opened trunk lid, onto the seat when using it. Sometimes I sit on it (can't feel it through my leathers) and sometimes I run it over my leg. I also have made other things that attach to the cord using the same plug in. A cigerate lighter that runs my air compresser to blow up my camping air matteress and battery jumpers to help out others stuck on the road. Anyway I find it very handy in that location and a spark would never be a problem. Also, I use an inline fuse on this....just in case! Wanda Bailie '95 PC800 Black Beauty Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Dennis" To: NVXL62A@prodigy.com ( GORDON FRANK HSTA7186RG) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 23:46:13 +0000 Subject: Re: Heater Cable Reply-to: denko@ix.netcom.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu On 9 Jan 97 at 10:22, GORDON FRANK HSTA7186RG wrote: > Please advise:! > Have I created a problem by running my Electric Heated suit cable > thru the gas tank lock box? > Frank I have a Widder vest and chaps and gloves. I took my power from the main fuse block under the seat. I have my connector coming out from between the seat and the left side cover. I keep it tucked under the seat there when not in use. That seems to work fine for me with those garments. Dennis -------------------- "Veni, Vedi, Velcro" I came, I saw, I stuck around - Anonymous ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 22:55:06 +0000 From: Gary Wilson To: pacific coast list Subject: misc i saw pics of the saddle mount trunk in the pc site. where do you get it and how much? making a texas to alaska trip this summer and i need the extra aerodynamic space. gary. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 08:04:34 -0500 From: Roger Prince To: gcw0766@88net.net Cc: pc800 list Subject: Re: misc You can contact GIVI at 704 6794123. Tell them Roger Prince sent you. The web page (PC800) isn't the GIVI box. Jason Tibbetts has some photos of my '95 that you can ftp. Check the archives for info. Roger Prince Gary Wilson wrote: > > i saw pics of the saddle mount trunk in the pc site. where do you get it and > how much? making a texas to alaska trip this summer and i need the > extra aerodynamic space. gary. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id IAA06042; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 08:35:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 08:35:06 -0500 (EST) To: ultspnch@ecn.net.au, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Vacation, Vacation..... Geez Ron, Are you really loaded or what??? I have a friend that woould love to sell or rent her newly restored CBX. She only wants $2500 for it. It would be great for cruising. 6 cyl, luggage...... Let me know.... Also, where are you going in the US. I'm sure there are listers who would "throw a shrimp on the barby" for ya... Z Chicago ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 08:23:18 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: NYC MC Show To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu The date of the show is the 7th (Fri) through the 9th (Sun). Some have show a preference for Sat. I feel that Sat will have the bigger crowds, but maybe the best day to see stuff. Thurs. won't have the crowds, but no guarantee that all the exibitors will be there showing all their stuff. Someone asked, and as far as I know, it is the same road show that started in Seattle and stops in Chicago. Chris Klass ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 08:49:34 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: Heater Grips To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Just got a set of heated grips (Hot Grips). I probably wont get to them for a couple of weeks. Any hints or advice? What power supply should I tap into? Has anyone tried using a different switch? The toggle switch included is kinda big. Any specific power requirements to the switch? I would rather get a small water resistant switch and mount it on the handlebars. Chris Klass ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 07:51:53 -0800 From: Johan Lai To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: misc I've created a link to those pictures at Jason's site. If you'd like to take a look at them via your browser: http://www.concentric.net/~johanlai/pcrsc/givi.html Cheers, Johan Lai Orange, CA '89 "Cassandra" Roger Prince wrote: > > You can contact GIVI at 704 6794123. Tell them Roger Prince sent you. > The web page (PC800) isn't the GIVI box. Jason Tibbetts has some photos > of my '95 that you can ftp. Check the archives for info. > > Roger Prince > > Gary Wilson wrote: > > > > i saw pics of the saddle mount trunk in the pc site. where do you get it and > > how much? making a texas to alaska trip this summer and i need the > > extra aerodynamic space. gary. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 10 Jan 97 11:50:30 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: RE: Ear Plugs I second Rusty's suggestion about the Rifle. I too am 5'9" and with the smallest of the three Rifles, I can still comfortably look over the top of the shield. Yet wind is deflected about 3" above eye (and ear) level. This was the first mod I made to the bike - about one week after purchase - the stock screen is worse than ineffective - it seems to be designed specifically to channel air straight into your face. BTW, I briefly flirted with the idea of buying a used ST1100 before deciding on the PC, and went so far as to order a slew of reviews from Ian Smith on the ST. Though my recollection is a little vague, I think I recall test-riders saying that the curve at the top of the ST shield is more for style than function, and does little if anything to deflect wind. FWIW, Rifle also sells a replacement ST shield to "correct" the OEM fairing. Steve. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Chrchlls2@aol.com by emout01.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA18444; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 12:53:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 12:53:12 -0500 (EST) To: liebes@hplms2.hpl.hp.com cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Ear Plugs Just to save you some buck on special plugs. The low frequency buffeting your hearing will continue to be transmitted through bone conduction regardless of earplugs. The plugs are most effective in filtering out high frequency noise as you have already noticed. Suggestions: 1. as you have surmised a higher windshield would get your head out of the windstream and therebythe noise. 2. Windscreen edge add-ons that deflect the air higher (as in an ST 1100). See the Bike mags ads near the back. 3. A different helmet. Some brands are better at sealing out the noise than others;particularly at the faceshield/helmet area. (mine's Arai) 4. A high tech solution- BOSE active noise reduction headset (PRICEY) available in the aircraft magazines. ( it monitors the noise and creates sound with the exact opposite waveform/timing to cancel it out. Works magnificently ) By the way specially fitted plugs will be much more comfortable than stock plugs. SAC ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:03:50 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, leslie_stanley@hp-paloalto-om8.om.hp.com From: Sid Liebes Subject: Ear Plug "Solution" At the time I ordered my Aerostich suit, I also ordered from them and, forgot about, the following ear plugs (connected together with cord) ... Howard Leight Max 30 SNR 34 NNR 33 Howard Leight Industries Santa Monica, CA 90404 available from ... Aerostich (RiderWearHouse Catalog) 8 South 18th Ave. West Duluth, MN 55806 800 222 1994 218 722 1927 fax 218 720 3610 The Howard Leight ear plugs look like a more substantial version of the Hero ear plugs, noise reduction factor 30, which don't solve the problem. This morning I tried the Howard Leight plugs on my PC800 up to 60mph (until 600 mph service tomorrow am restricted to below 4000 rpm). Up to this speed, these plugs completely suppress all the irritating, and potentially dangerous wind noise experienced with the stock PC800 wind screen. I anticipate that these plugs would equally well solve the problem at much higher speeds. I prefer, however, not to lose environmental audio inputs, e.g. horns, traffic noise, engine, etc. Consequently, I remain pleased with the decision yesterday, following inputs from several of you, and perusal of the PC800-list archives, to order a 20" (min height) Rifle wind screen. Thanks, - Sid ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 08:43:56 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: EAR PLUGS To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > THIS IS A MESSAGE IN 'MIME' FORMAT. Your mail reader may not support MIME. > Some parts of this will be readable as plain text. > To see the rest, you may need to upgrade your mail reader. An inquiry regarding wind noise suppression: I ride '97 PC800 with standard wind screen. I'm 5'9", and see the road, over the top of the wind screen, approx 30ft ahead, with eyes est. 4" above top of screen. I wear a Shoei FR-700 full-face helmet. At speeds over 45 mph, I find the low frequency wind noise irritating, and speculate that over 50 mph the cumulative long-term exposure could gradually damage hearing. I have tried a couple of brands of ear plugs: 1) Heros ... 30 db noise reduction rating 2) Husher .. 29 " I find neither particularly effective with the lower frequency beating, and remain uncomfortable over 55 mph. I have a call in to an audiologist to discuss custom molded plugs. I would be interested to hear of any ear plug solutions that solve the problem with the standard wind screen. I would speculate that, without changing the height of the screen, if Honda were to curve the top of the screen forward, similar to RT1100, the wind might be deflected to pass above the top of the helmet? I have neither experience nor knowledge re effectiveness of RT1100 stock screen. - Sid Sid, Motorcycle Consumer News has an excellent 2 or 3 part story. And though most don't wear then (ear plugs), we all should. Apparently the greater danger is the length of time we are exposed to damaging noise levels (over 30 minutes I think) more so that the level of noise. If you want a copy of the article and I will see if I can find it and fax it to you. They talk about the plugs available and the custom made and the foam ones seem to be the best. I use the foam when ever going for more that a 30 - 40 minute ride. All I have to do is look at my dad who is 57 and starting to lose some of his hearing as most men do. I don't want to exacerbate that with noise damage. Chris Klass 95 PC 800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 15:47:06 -0500 From: Bill McKenna To: st1100@st1100.com CC: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu, pc800 newsletter Subject: Non Fango Top Box For Sale: 46L, dark grey, 2 keys, mounting bracket, 6 element LED aux brakelite... Swallows 2 Arai Signets... no gag. Not perfect, but not bad. Any Interest? Bill ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 19:19:47 -0500 From: Jeff Leech To: gcw0766@88net.net CC: pacific coast list Subject: Re: misc ------------58F42A722430 Gary, The pics I think you are talking about were of my '94 PC800. The rack I purchased was a "NONFANGO" rack from Capital Cycles in Virginia, just outside of Wash, DC. The rack was $125 incl shipping. The Top Box I put on it was on from JC Whitney for $70. It's not a great box, and takes a bit of fiddling to get it mounted. The way I have it mounted it will come off in a couple of minutes with a wrench and screwdriver, but definately not "quick release". Capital Cycle also sells top boxes for the rack, and they range from $200 to $320. Based upon size. I will probably be buying one of the NONFANGO top boxes this winter, quick release without tools, is a real plus! I will probably opt for the 48 liter box in metal black for $270. This box sells for $198 in matte black. It also comes in metal grey, red, white, and blue. If you want to go with a GIVI rack and top case. There was some discussion about this several months ago, I think several people have purchased this option, and you could find info in the searchable archives. Jeff Leech Centerville, OH '94 Pacific Coast '95 Buell S-2 Thunderbolt ------------58F42A722430
Gary,
  The pics I think you are talking about were of my '94 PC800.  The rack I purchased was a "NONFANGO" rack from Capital Cycles in Virginia, just outside of Wash, DC.  The rack was $125 incl shipping.  The Top Box I put on it was on from JC Whitney for $70.  It's not a great box, and takes a bit of fiddling to get it mounted.  The way I have it mounted it will come off in a couple of minutes with a wrench and screwdriver, but definately not "quick release".  Capital Cycle also sells top boxes for the rack, and they range from $200 to $320.  Based upon size.  I will probably be buying one of the NONFANGO top boxes this winter, quick release without tools, is a real plus!   I will probably opt for the 48 liter box in metal black for $270.  This box sells for $198 in matte black.  It also comes in metal grey, red, white, and blue.
 
If you want to go with a GIVI rack and top case.  There was some discussion about this several months ago, I think several people have purchased this option, and you could find info in the searchable archives.
 
    Jeff Leech
    Centerville, OH
    '94 Pacific Coast
    '95 Buell S-2 Thunderbolt
 
------------58F42A722430-- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com by emout03.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA13467; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 11:17:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 11:17:03 -0500 (EST) To: Chrchlls2@aol.com, liebes@hplms2.hpl.hp.com cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Helmet Try a Shoei X-9 helmet. Expensive, but very quiet. An X-9 behind a Rifle is almost silent. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 11 Jan 97 11:36:50 EST From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: For sale Stock seats, front and back, from 1990 Honda PC800 Pacific Coast. $25.00 plus shipping. Dana L. Sawyer 803/781-4293 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Helmet From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 11 Jan 1997 12:16:51 -0600 Lines: 12 >>>>> "B" == BernieK469 writes: B> Try a Shoei X-9 helmet. Expensive, but very quiet. An X-9 behind a B> Rifle is almost silent. Heck, my X-9 behind the stock shield is almost silent up to 55mph. If I duck just a bit, it's quiet up to 80. With a taller shield you should be able to hear yourself breathe. Unfortunately the breath guard directs my breath away from the screen and directly onto my glasses, though, so I'm permanently fogged. I hate this frigid 40F weather. - J< pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 15:48:49 -0500 (EST) pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 15:49:13 -0500 (EST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 13:49:11 +0000 From: MDTurley Subject: For sale: 89 PC800 To: HondaPacificCoastOwners 14K miles, Tall Honda shield otherwise stock See in Torrance CA at Cycle Tune Talk to owner at 406-656-8718 in Montana "Montana Mike" by jarvis.ims.alaska.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA27584 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 14:20:15 -0900 (AKST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 14:20:15 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Lights !! price list......To Be cont..... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 09:25:24 -0600 From: "Jeff Knights" To: Honda Sport Touring Association Subject: Lights !! price list......To Be cont..... To everyone on the HSTA list, the VFR list, and probably the PC list, I've changed the web site for the lights that I've got.... The price list that I've got attached to the page is for the public.... Not for you guys... You guys still get the discounted prices..... Your price list is at http://www.qni.com/~ppi/pages/prices.htm Sorry if anyone got the idea that I was Jacking the prices up on you guys..... Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Roger Prince" To: , , Cc: Subject: Re: Re: Helmet Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 20:38:28 -0500 I am very satisfied with my X-9 TC3. I had planned to buy an RF700 but it didn't fit. The X-9 is a very good fit, comfortable and quiet. And I love the graphics. Arai also makes a very good helmet. Proper fit is a must. ################################################################ *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman *FRANKLIN, MA ################################################################ ---------- > From: BernieK469@aol.com > To: Chrchlls2@aol.com; liebes@hplms2.hpl.hp.com > Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: Helmet > Date: Saturday, January 11, 1997 11:17 AM > > Try a Shoei X-9 helmet. Expensive, but very quiet. An X-9 behind a > Rifle is almost silent. > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JamesPack@aol.com by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA22243 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 11:14:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 11:14:44 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: replacing stock saddle Has anyone of you tried a "Russell 'day long' saddle on a PC? I had one on my old Yamaha for 8 years. It was very comfortable and held up extremely well dispite heavy use. The folks at Russell said they've done a couple for PCs but don't have any pictures.Do tthey retain the passenger handles? jimpack@aol.com 1995Pc bought used with 680 miles ,taller Honda winshield and passenger backrest for $5900. Plan to replace windshield with Rifle,replace old Shoei,rebalance front tire.(Any suggestions on replacements?) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Roger Prince" To: Cc: "pc800" Subject: Re: replacing stock saddle Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 12:23:10 -0500 Sargent's will r/r oem seats covers and install supercell foam for$130+$7.95 return shipping. I've had my '95 seats done but haven't reinstalled them yet. The new '95 seats were mushier than the old '90 seats. ################################################################ *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman *FRANKLIN, MA ################################################################ ---------- > From: JamesPack@aol.com > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: replacing stock saddle > Date: Sunday, January 12, 1997 11:14 AM > > Has anyone of you tried a "Russell 'day long' saddle on a PC? I had one on > my old Yamaha for 8 years. It was very comfortable and held up extremely well > dispite heavy use. The folks at Russell said they've done a couple for PCs > but don't have any pictures.Do tthey retain the passenger handles? > jimpack@aol.com 1995Pc bought used with 680 miles ,taller Honda > winshield and passenger backrest for $5900. Plan to replace windshield with > Rifle,replace old Shoei,rebalance front tire.(Any suggestions on > replacements?) > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 12:28:55 -0500 From: "Warner A. Henderson" <105437.2123@compuserve.com> Subject: Interested Potential PC Owner To: PC Owners I currently own a Honda 600 VLX Deluxe which is my first bike. I've enjoyed it very much, but find it to be uncomfortable for long trips and certainly inadequate for my spouse on the back (I'm 6'0" and she's 5"7"). I am interested in the Pacific Coast, but my dealer seems to be steering me away from it and toward the ST1100 (he doesn't seem to like the PC at all). Despite the fact that the ST1100 is more expensive, I like the riding position of the PC and styling better than the ST. The dealer suggests that the PC would not be good for two passengers riding in the mountains of New Hampshire (poor power). What do you think of my dealer's opinion? Is there a concensus that the PC is under-powered? If you were to buy a touring bike, would you lean toward the PC or the ST if price were not the primary concern? In the paper, I've found a used one at around $4000 (1990 with 23K miles) and wonder if this is worth looking at. Is this about the right price range? Any guidance you can provide would be greatly appreciated! Thank you! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 12:28:55 -0500 From: "Warner A. Henderson" <105437.2123@compuserve.com> Subject: Interested Potential PC Owner To: PC Owners I currently own a Honda 600 VLX Deluxe which is my first bike. I've enjoyed it very much, but find it to be uncomfortable for long trips and certainly inadequate for my spouse on the back (I'm 6'0" and she's 5"7"). I am interested in the Pacific Coast, but my dealer seems to be steering me away from it and toward the ST1100 (he doesn't seem to like the PC at all). Despite the fact that the ST1100 is more expensive, I like the riding position of the PC and styling better than the ST. The dealer suggests that the PC would not be good for two passengers riding in the mountains of New Hampshire (poor power). What do you think of my dealer's opinion? Is there a concensus that the PC is under-powered? If you were to buy a touring bike, would you lean toward the PC or the ST if price were not the primary concern? In the paper, I've found a used one at around $4000 (1990 with 23K miles) and wonder if this is worth looking at. Is this about the right price range? Any guidance you can provide would be greatly appreciated! Thank you! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 12:28:55 -0500 From: "Warner A. Henderson" <105437.2123@compuserve.com> Subject: Interested Potential PC Owner To: PC Owners I currently own a Honda 600 VLX Deluxe which is my first bike. I've enjoyed it very much, but find it to be uncomfortable for long trips and certainly inadequate for my spouse on the back (I'm 6'0" and she's 5"7"). I am interested in the Pacific Coast, but my dealer seems to be steering me away from it and toward the ST1100 (he doesn't seem to like the PC at all). Despite the fact that the ST1100 is more expensive, I like the riding position of the PC and styling better than the ST. The dealer suggests that the PC would not be good for two passengers riding in the mountains of New Hampshire (poor power). What do you think of my dealer's opinion? Is there a concensus that the PC is under-powered? If you were to buy a touring bike, would you lean toward the PC or the ST if price were not the primary concern? In the paper, I've found a used one at around $4000 (1990 with 23K miles) and wonder if this is worth looking at. Is this about the right price range? Any guidance you can provide would be greatly appreciated! Thank you! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 10:09:37 -0800 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: Interested Potential PC Owner Warner, I think your dealer's trying to get the extra $$$ out of you. I've not had a problem running 2 up on the PC, tho I don't do it that often. The ST may be a better bike for you given your height, but I'll let the tall guys on the list address that. Price is _never_ a consideration! :) Better to spend a little more & geet the bike you want, then to always be looking at it on the road & thinking that you "settled. Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 PC ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 14:56:00 -0500 (EST) From: Barre Bull To: "Warner A. Henderson" <105437.2123@compuserve.com> cc: PC Owners Subject: Re: Interested Potential PC Owner Warner, My '89 pc has carried my wife and I through just about every mountain chain on the east coast 2 up and enuff gear for 3 to 4 days packed on and in the bike. We ride with others who ride Wings and Shadow 1100's and have never once had a problem keeping up. To put it mildly the dealer doesn't know what he's talking about. He probably just wants that bigger commission. I'm 5'10" and wife is 5'5" so you are not that much bigger. Oh yeah, forgot to mention, the big boys have to keep up with me through those mountain twisties! Go for the PC you won't regret it. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 12:40:31 -0800 From: PILEWIS1 To: "Warner A. Henderson" <105437.2123@compuserve.com> CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Interested Potential PC Owner Warner A. Henderson wrote: > I am interested in the Pacific Coast, but my dealer seems to be steering me > away from it and toward the ST1100 (he doesn't seem to like the PC at all). > Despite the fact that the ST1100 is more expensive, I like the riding > position of the PC and styling better than the ST. The dealer suggests > that the PC would not be good for two passengers riding in the mountains of > New Hampshire (poor power). I doubt that you'll find anyone on this list who thinks the PC is underpowered. I have a '90, with about 7,000 miles, and love it. I have never ridden a smoother, nicer overall machine. As for more power, it's like anything else, you can always use a little more......... such as; it would be nice to have a bigger gas supply (the PC has about 150 miles useful before mandatory refilling); more power is always nicer, but the 800 cc v-twin is more than adequate; more storage space, but the trunk space in the PC is more than a lot of bikes have; a better sound system with cabled wires running directly to your helmet, but front speakers work well and cabled wires can be configured. So.... I guess what I'm really saying is.......... take them both out for a long ride (hopefully the dealer will let you do that) and see how they both feel. I'm sold on the handling and feel of the PC, but then again, this is the PC forum! :-) Phil So. Cal. pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 16:58:24 CST 12 Jan 1997 17:53:21 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 17:51:47 -0500 (EST) From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> Subject: FOR SALE To: HondaPacificCoastOwners , HSTA Postings to List , Ron Maudlin <74726.2016@CompuServe.COM>, Brad & Cinda Mobley <76241.1063@CompuServe.COM>, "Samuel \"Todd\" Nunnally" <72064.2771@CompuServe.COM>, "Donald L. \"Moose\" Parish" <73523.3636@CompuServe.COM>, Elbert Silbaugh <71203.2774@CompuServe.COM> Eclipse electric vest and chaps, both size large. Vest...hardly used...like new. Chaps...never used...brand new. Includes all wiring and remote on/off switch in coiled power cord... Both for $125 plus shipping Dana Sawyer Tel. 803/781-4293. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 15:33:52 -0800 From: greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers ) Subject: Re: Re: Helmet To: "Roger Prince" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu You wrote: > >I am very satisfied with my X-9 TC3. I had planned to buy an RF700 but it didn't fit. The X-9 is a very good fit, comfortable and quiet. And I love the graphics. Arai also makes a very good helmet. Proper fit is a must. >*ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 Roger I have been looking for an XXL X-9 to try on, and found one. I'm going to try it Monday. However, the RF700 seems to fit me fine, and the Shoei people told me that the X-9 is narrower than the RF-700. I'm afraid I won't fit into the X-9. If I am too "round" for an X-9, but still want the quiet and excellent venting of the X-9 (especially the rear low-pressure vents) is there an Arai that would fit the bill? (It would probably be the one that didn't fit you!). Greg Chambers 96 PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 13 Jan 97 01:10:23 UT From: "Paul Hayes" To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net, "PILEWIS1" , "Warner A. Henderson" <105437.2123@compuserve.com> Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Interested Potential PC Owner I'm with Phil, If you're spending the money, the dealer should let you take each bike for ˝ a day and see how they feel. I've only had my '89 for 6 months but it has been a v-e-r-y enjoyable 6 months. I consider myself lucky to have had some experienced riders (Bryce, etc.) steer me in the right direction before I went off and bought another ride. But don't stop with my advice, the best advice I've found comes from people who either own more than one kind of bike currently or have driven many different bikes over the years. My PC is only my 2nd bike ever - but it's going to be my main bike for some time to come. - pauly -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu On Behalf Of PILEWIS1 Sent: Sunday, January 12, 1997 12:41 PM To: Warner A. Henderson Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Interested Potential PC Owner Warner A. Henderson wrote: > I am interested in the Pacific Coast, but my dealer seems to be steering me > away from it and toward the ST1100 (he doesn't seem to like the PC at all). > Despite the fact that the ST1100 is more expensive, I like the riding > position of the PC and styling better than the ST. The dealer suggests > that the PC would not be good for two passengers riding in the mountains of > New Hampshire (poor power). ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 21:48:55 -0600 From: Wells Family To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: pc800 Howdy fellow pc800 owners,glad to know there are other ones out there with SMTP Local (PP); Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:29:12 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jsa2@tutor.open.ac.uk (John Allan) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:24:11 -0000 Subject: Aerostitch Any experience of Aerostitch (I think that is the name) 1 piece suits? Only available in the UK by mail order with big carriage charge! Here the emphasis is on protection as we have heavy traffic density and unaware car drivers! Most people wear leathers for maximum prtection. How does Aerostitch compare to leathers when you come off?? John with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:28:51 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:33:53 -0500 From: JAN DEROOS To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >>> PILEWIS1 01/12/97 03:40pm >>> Warner A. Henderson wrote: > I am interested in the Pacific Coast, but my dealer seems to be steering me > away from it and toward the ST1100 (he doesn't seem to like the PC at all). > Despite the fact that the ST1100 is more expensive, I like the riding > position of the PC and styling better than the ST. The dealer suggests > that the PC would not be good for two passengers riding in the mountains of > New Hampshire (poor power). >>I doubt that you'll find anyone on this list who thinks the PC is >>underpowered. I have a '90, with about 7,000 miles, and love it. I do think the PC is underpowered. I've been riding with the curmudgeons every weekend for a couple of years now. Other bikes include a VFR750, BMW 1100RT, VFR 1000, CB 1000, Suzuki 1100, ... In this crowd the PC is the slowest bike and I find myself scraping pegs to keep up in the twisties. However (and this is the important part) I wouldn't give up my PC for anything but an ST1100 or equivalent. The comfort and cargo capacity of the PC make it a better bike than many of the above (BMW excepted) for longer rides. I ride two-up with my wife a bit (I'm 6'1", she's 5'4"). The PC is comfortable for short trips, but you won't be scraping the pegs and doing 0 - 60 in under 10 sec. You'll want a Gold Wing if you into long distance two-up 'comfort meister' touring. Just my $.02. Prof. Jan deRoos jad10@cornell.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 13 Jan 97 09:39:36 EST From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners , HSTA Postings to List , Ron Maudlin <74726.2016@CompuServe.COM>, Brad & Cinda Mobley <76241.1063@CompuServe.COM>, "Samuel \"Todd\" Nunnally" <72064.2771@CompuServe.COM>, "Donald L. \"Moose\" Parish" <73523.3636@CompuServe.COM>, Elbert Silbaugh <71203.2774@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Aerostich Half-Price Sale Cleaning out the closet in mid-winter sale! Aerostich Courier Bag - Grey...like new. Height 12"...Width 7"...Length 18" Catalog #904; Described in detail on page 40 of the Aerostich catalog.. New cost $70.00 My price - $35.00 (plus $5 shipping.). Aerostich Roadcrafter Bib Pants Converter. Allows pants to be worn as bib-style pants. Size 44...blue...new. Catalog #126; Described in detail on page 13 of the Aerostich catalog. New cost $43.00 My Price $21.50 (plus $5 shipping.) Dana Sawyer Telephone 803/781-4293. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:05:57 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: Aerostitch To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Hi Jan, Sorry about this but...... what in the hell are you talking about.... Of course the PC has less "juice" then the bikes you mentioned. So does EVERY bike. You mentioned some of the fastest, largest displacement sport bikes MADE. Geez, under powered doesn't apply here. Corvettes are "under powered" too, compared to NASCAR vehicles. The PC is a sport touring bike. As such, there have been compromises made in it's design. However, if you want an all out sport bike, and the power that goes with it, and the lack of storage and passenger comfort, THEN GO BUY ONE, but don't 'dis a bike for not doing waht it was NEVER designed to do... Whew, thanks, I'll get off my soap box... Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Chrchlls2@aol.com by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA21931; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:27:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:27:39 -0500 (EST) To: 105437.2123@compuserve.com cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Interested Potential PC Owner This is a very biased and limited viewpoint because I have almost no experience riding other motorcycles but... I am 6' and my wife 5' 7" and I've found no problems hitting the hills two-up on my PC. There are some caveats though. 1. When she is on the bike I ride much more conservatively (no peg scraping or even heavy leaning; I want her to enjoy riding). 2. The mixed motorcycle groups that I have ridden with have more concern about keeping the group together than competitively stretching the limits of whomever has the slowest bike or the least experience. 3. The PC currently fits my needs perfectly for an economical (both in purchase price and operating cost), commuting/touring bike with sufficient cargo capacity, that also happens to be the best looking bike out there. The advice you have already gotten from others is valid. Decide what you really want from a bike and what you really are going to do with it then TRY potential candidates. Pick a bike for your needs, personality, pocketbook and riding habits. Try each one to assess its characteristics according to YOUR criteria and sensations, not others. Try it two-up on the twisties and hills if that is how and where you will be spending your time riding. Then you can decide from what you know and you will be happy with that decision. It is after all, your money. Good Luck! SAC '89 PC 35k and counting ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:41:26 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: Greg Chambers To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu re: Motorcycle Consumer News article Greg, Tried to fax to you. The number I have won't work. Please check the number, send it to me, and I will try again. Thanks, Chris Klass ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'jsa2@tutor.open.ac.uk'" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Aerostitch Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 17:53:43 -0800 Aerostitch as a web site at http://cp.duluth.mn.us/aerostich/ that includes a link to a discussion on abrasion resistance of their suits vs. leathers. In short, the Gore-Tex cordura nylon used for their suits is "almost" as good as race quality leather. However, the Aerostitch offers weather protection leathers could never handle making it an ideal all-weather riding garment. As a rider with a four+ year old 'stitch I can't recommend it enough for year 'round riding in the cold, summer heat, and infamous Seattle rain we have around here.. Great piece of gear. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: NVXL62A@prodigy.com ( GORDON FRANK HSTA7186RG) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 21:03:43, -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Battery or Alternator? Anyone have a suggested solution ? After a 100 mile highway ride yesterday, the PC suddenly stalled at a light and I couldn't get it started again. A jump start by a passing angel finally got me going .. The lights and horn were both strong, but there was not enough juice to kick the starter over. The battery connections & wires were all tight. Of course everything is still under warranty. I have a 96 PC with 1900 miles, purchased in Oct. 96. Is this just a fluke or has anyone experienced a similar problem? ( I have had a heated suit cable installed for the past 6 weeks and it 's connected, per the instructions, directly to the battery.) Thanks for your help. ____ Gordon Frank NVXL62A@Prodigy.Com '96 PC800 Atlanta, Georgia ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'NVXL62A@prodigy.com'" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Battery or Alternator? Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 20:04:41 -0800 Things are too new to say things are bad. I'd clean the battery connections with a wire brush, especially the heater cable fittings. Things may look clean but you never know till you clean 'em yourself. If you have a tester check the voltage of the battery. If you've got a good charge it's probably a poor connection. If not it may be the stator or voltage regulator and your just plain ran out of power. Either way you could always make your dealer troubleshoot and fix. But knowing what's wrong first will prevent any unnecessary delays as the mechanic orders unneeded parts that take weeks to get. (Do I sound biased?) I'm sure you'd rather be riding. Congrats on the new ride BTW. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:33:36 +0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Larry Campbell Subject: Getting a PC800 to Hong Kong I'm interested in buying a new PC800 in the US and shipping it to Hong Kong myself rather than buying one off one of the local dealers. Their prices are more than double the cost of a PC800 in the US, and it has very little to do with tax (which, admittedly, is somewhat high here). Anyone got any advice? A good dealer over there I could approach perhaps, preferably in the Bay area. Maybe someone's done this sort of thing before and could help. Thanks in advance. Larry Campbell Owner of a Honda NV750 Custom, looking to move to a PC800. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 14 Jan 97 07:45:30 EST From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Cc: HSTA Postings to List Subject: SOLD! To those who inquired about my Eclipse electric vest and chaps, and my PC800 OEM seats, they are all sold! Thanks for inquiring... Dana ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 07:53:42 -0500 (EST) From: Barre Bull To: GORDON FRANK HSTA7186RG cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Battery or Alternator? Ummmm....sounds to me like you've got stator problems thought only to occur on the 89 PC's...your symptoms seem to be exactly those my 89 had when the stator went. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, GORDON FRANK HSTA7186RG wrote: > Anyone have a suggested solution ? After a 100 mile highway ride > yesterday, the PC suddenly stalled at a light and I couldn't get it > started again. A jump start by a passing angel finally got me going > .. > The lights and horn were both strong, but there was not enough > juice to kick the starter over. The battery connections & wires were > all tight. Of course everything is still under warranty. I have a > 96 PC with 1900 miles, purchased in Oct. 96. > Is this just a fluke or has anyone experienced a similar problem? ( > I have had a heated suit cable installed for the past 6 weeks and it > 's connected, per the instructions, directly to the battery.) > Thanks for your help. > > ____ > Gordon Frank NVXL62A@Prodigy.Com > '96 PC800 Atlanta, Georgia > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 10:10:19 -0500 From: Roger Prince To: GORDON FRANK HSTA7186RG Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Battery or Alternator? How much current does that suit draw? Roger GORDON FRANK HSTA7186RG wrote: > 96 PC with 1900 miles, purchased in Oct. 96. > Is this just a fluke or has anyone experienced a similar problem? ( > I have had a heated suit cable installed for the past 6 weeks and it > 's connected, per the instructions, directly to the battery.) > Thanks for your help. > > ____ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: BBrick@packer.edu (Barbara Brick) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 10:22:10 GMT Subject: mileage Can someone advise me on the driving time from San Diego to LaPaz, Baja? Many thanks, ------------------------- Packer Collegiate Institute Brooklyn, NY USA ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 14 Jan 97 11:52:26 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: Interested Potential PC Owner Hi, Warner. You wrote: >The dealer suggests that the PC would not be good for two passengers riding in the mountains of >New Hampshire (poor power). >What do you think of my dealer's opinion? Is there a concensus that the PC i>s under-powered? If you were to buy a touring bike, would you lean toward >the PC or the ST if price were not the primary concern? Under (or over) powered is a subjective question; you and your dealer may have different definitions. Here's my semi-objective evaluation of the PC's power, two-up (combined weight - 345 pounds, and my girlfriend would kill me if I tell you how that divides among us), in the California mountains (which are considerably higher than those "hills" you have in New Hampshire! Just kidding, I've toured the White Mountains a couple of times and loved it!): 1. Trundling along in top-gear, at or slightly above the speed limit, enjoying the scenery - no problem. The PC glides along smoothly and quietly, never complaining or straining. 2. Passing the inevitable RV, uphill. Again, no problem. Downshift once or twice. Probably takes a little longer than it would on an ST, but plenty of passing power to do the maneouver safely. 3. Squid-racing, pushing the envelope, scraping the pegs. I have to speculate, as my girlfriend forbids me to do this with her on the back. I'd have to say the PC would probably fall short, although, in testing my girlfriend's "comfort envelope" I was more than able to scare her. BTW, I too considered the ST before deciding on the PC. Here are a couple of points: - riding position - yes the PC's is more comfortable - but taller aftermarket bars on the ST would fix that problem. - I've never ridden an ST, but all the road tests I've read say it's "harder" to handle than the PC - ie. it has good handling, but requires more effort and concentration to get it to do the right things. The PC is much more easy-going in this respect. - The road-tests also say the passenger accomodations are better on the ST - I'm not sure why. Hope this helps rather than confuses your situation! A final thing to keep in mind - both are excellent bikes - I don't think there's a "wrong" decision involved here, just one that's "more right" for you. Steve ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Estes, Cory S" To: "'PC 800 List'" Subject: RE: Interested Potential PC Owner Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 13:00:26 -0500 Steve Schibuola wrote: > >- I've never ridden an ST, but all the road tests I've read say it's "harder" >to >handle than the PC - ie. it has good handling, but requires more effort and >concentration to get it to do the right things. The PC is much more easy-going in this respect. I had heard this, too, several times. Having ridden an ST a little now, I can understand and believe those comments. Both are very good and wonderful machines, but they are different. I've heard the ST referred to as a handfull, not so much in a bad way, but as noted above, a bit more concentration and skill needed. It may not be fair to the PC to call it a pussy cat to the ST's tiger, perhaps it would be better to say they're both pussy cats............but the ST's been dipping into the >catnip. > >-Hope this helps rather than confuses your situation! A final thing to keep >in mind - both are excellent bikes - I don't think there's a "wrong" decision >involved here, just one that's "more right" for you. I've got to agree w/ Steve. I know that from my standpoint the PC was very much the bike for me to have at the time I bought it. Though I was an experienced rider when I bought it, I'm now a very experienced rider and my PC was and still is the "right" decision for me. As my specific riding style and needs are becoming more defined, the PC is still right, but now I'm starting to feel the ST is becoming "more right." I could stay w/ the PC for the rest of my life and there'd always be bugs to pick out of my teeth (happy rider!), but if I get an ST I can go a lot longer before I have to pick them out! Do what's right for you! Anybody want to buy an '89 PC and a '90 GB-500? (Or maybe both!!!) Later Cory S. Estes* *Motorcycle Adventurist '89 Honda Pacific Coast(Millennium Turtle) *Observer of Humanity '90 Honda GB-500 *Lover of Life !!!!!'97 Chevy S-10 P-Up (GrandSport)!!!!!!!!! > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'BBrick@packer.edu'" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: mileage Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 12:38:16 -0800 According to Microsoft Automap and conservative speed I calculate about almost 18 hours and just over 900 miles. I drove down the Baja Peninsula about 10 years ago and the advice then was to drive during daylight hours only. Cows like to sleep in the road at night and gas is scarce. If you take the PC800 be sure to plan gas stops carefully. That is, fill up anytime you get the chance cause that aren't many chances. Enjoy the trip. Sunrises are beautiful in the Baja desert. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- Time Distance Instruction Road For Dir Toward Day 1 8:00 AM 0.0 Depart San Diego, California Local road(s) 1.3 mi S 8:03 AM 1.3 Bear left onto I-5 13.2 mi S Tijuana 8:18 AM 14.5 At Tia Juana [Tijuana], bear left onto M-1 1.4 mi S Tijuana 8:18 AM 14.5 Entering Baja California 8:19 AM 15.9 At Tia Juana [Tijuana], turn right onto M-1D 24.3 mi W 8:43 AM 40.3 Bear left onto M-1 9.8 mi SE 8:53 AM 50.0 At Descanso [El Descanso], bear left onto M-1D 25.1 mi S 9:18 AM 75.2 At El Sausal [El Sauzal], bear right onto M-1 829.3 mi S 10:36 AM 140.9 Refuel before here: last refuel 140.9 miles ago 1:26 PM 282.7 Refuel before here: last refuel 141.8 miles ago 4:16 PM 424.4 Refuel before here: last refuel 141.7 miles ago 4:36 PM 441.4 Entering Baja California Sur 5:00 PM 461.0 End of day Day 2 10:06 AM 566.2 Refuel before here: last refuel 141.8 miles ago 12:56 PM 707.9 Refuel before here: last refuel 141.7 miles ago 3:46 PM 849.7 Refuel before here: last refuel 141.8 miles ago 4:51 PM 904.5 Turn left onto Local road(s) 48 yds NE 4:51 PM 904.5 Arrive La Paz, Baja California Sur by jarvis.ims.alaska.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA03562 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 13:06:14 -0900 (AKST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 13:06:14 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Greetings! He's back! Hello fellow PC'ers. After a good but brief vacation (when I left it was -34, when I got back it was -45 with _thick_ ice-fog), frozen drain pies and complete dislocation of the office due to re-carpeting I am back to full "interweb" status. The Seattle M/C show was wonderful therapy for an advanced case of PMS and it was great to meet some of you face to face. Bryce Ulrich (who does _not_ know every face and name in Microsoft :-) set up the meeting in an interesting restaurant, the "Rock Bottom" (we had the buffalo fajitas). There Crystal and I met Tim Macy who braved the elements and rode from Portland, Jo Ruby and Pat from Juneau, the Gross brothers Steve and Dave and of course Bryce (Cory was planning a surprise visit, but his new truck was not ready in time). Dinner was good, showed some pictures then we walked to the show. Lots of neat stuff there, a dangerous place to go if spare money is in short supply. I had a chance to compare the new v-twins, the TL100 and the VTR and I think I like the VTR best. A little less extreme riding position but less neat-o techno-gadgetry. Mr. Dos Equis (XX) was ok, but not in my purchasing future. I did see the '97 PC and feelings are mixed. The new front end by itself looks good (nope, not the same fender as the ST) and the double rotors look great out in the open, but when when taken in with the rest of the bike it looks unbalanced, with a full coverage rear end and a naked front it looks wrong. Like the bike just had a sour ball and is all puckered up ;-) The bottom plastic looks like the same type they use for the trunk liner. This would make it hard to paint I suspect. Many people were milling around it, still trying to figure out just what type of engine it has :-). Crystal fell in love with the Guzzi California III, but it is way too tall. So now she is considering eithr the Suzuki Marauder or the Yamaha Virago. She also liked the BMW F650ST with the optional lowering kit, but 7900 for a 650 single is a bit too rich for us. As for toys, I ended up with a new RF-700 to replace my aging RF-200, a Motoport Tri-Armor jacket-liner to complement the armor on my 'Stich and a new pair of gloves. Crystal came home with a one piece rainsuit, an electric vest and new gloves. Cruise America was there promoting the first annual Arizona Bike Week (anyone going there?)and had there on display one of my dream vehicles: a 34' motorhome that sleeps six, has the new Ford Triton V-10 and has a built in mini-garage on the tail end, perfect for two PC's. You can either get ramps or a hydraulic lift to get your toys up in there. Price as shown was 59K, so I won't be getting one any time soon :-( Well, this is getting a bit long winded and I have to get back to work, so all of you who can, ride safe! Later. Juan "The best long distance runners eat raw meat, run naked and sleep in the snow" -- from an Alaska Airlines ad ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '93 ArcticCat Panther DLX University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- by jarvis.ims.alaska.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA04503 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:43:37 -0900 (AKST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:43:37 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: PC 800 Airbox etc At 09:15 AM 1/2/97 -0700, Art Rutledge wrote: >There is a SKINNY bike hiding under all that plastic just 12" wide!!! Yes , it is, isn't it? Looks almost sportbike-like. >Honda could have made it at least 80 Lb lighter. I fly and have owned my >own aircraft (a few) for years. It is shocking to see how much some >components weigh on this bike!! The seat grab rail/backrest (I have the >Hondaline) must weigh at least 15 lb!!! The whole rear seat in my Mooney >only weighs 4 Lb. Yep, it could be a bit lighter, but at greater expense. How much would a new rear seat for your plane cost? Light weight does not come cheap. >Has anyone looked closely at the air box? This can't be good, it appears >to be very restrictive and to breathe only warm air. Has anyone modified >it to breathe easier and cooler??? I'm pretty sure it breathes fresh air. The snorkel intake is up at the front of the bike close to the steering head, above and ahead of the radiator. As far as it being restrictive, it breathes as much as it can take. Attempts to modify the airbox have been rather unsuccesful. I heard (from Cory I think) that TBR modified a PC for racing and the only way they could get it to run right is to put all the intake/exhaust (airbox/filter/pipe) parts back to stock. In fact, a few people have increased the size of the carb jets, with acceptable results, proof that the PC's air intake is causing a slight lean condition. If you do modify yours, please share your results with the rest of us. Ride safe! Juan "The best long distance runners eat raw meat, run naked and sleep in the snow" -- from an Alaska Airlines ad ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '93 ArcticCat Panther DLX University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 21:01:06 -0800 From: "D. Sampson" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Difficulty with the gear shift lever I am the owner of a new Honda PC. I find it awkward to get my toe under the gearshift lever when wearing boots. My foot is not particularly big (a 10-1/2). The problem seems to be that the wide footpeg interferes with the ability to maneuver my foot below the lever. Does anybody else have this problem? Has anyone replaced the PC footpeg with w cylindrical footpeg? I am thinking about going down to my Honda dealer and see if I can find a "better" and easily-interchangeable footpeg on another model. Opinions and ideas are welcomed. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 15 Jan 97 03:05:12 EST From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners , HSTA Postings to List , Ron Maudlin <74726.2016@CompuServe.COM>, Brad & Cinda Mobley <76241.1063@CompuServe.COM>, "Samuel \"Todd\" Nunnally" <72064.2771@CompuServe.COM>, "Donald L. \"Moose\" Parish" <73523.3636@CompuServe.COM>, Elbert Silbaugh <71203.2774@CompuServe.COM> Subject: FOR SALE More bike stuff found in my closet! Chase Harper ET4000 saddlebags...excellent condition Mail-order discount catalog price - $130.00 Aerostich catalog price $167.00 My price - $65 plus shipping. Dana Sawyer Phone: 803/781-4293 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 08:14:53 -0500 (EST) From: Barre Bull To: "D. Sampson" cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Difficulty with the gear shift lever I ride with the front of the heel hanging on the front of the foot peg...weird sentence I know...but it works for me. That way the toe of the boot is always under the gearshift and also won't in advertently/accidentally downshift in say a panic stop. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, D. Sampson wrote: > I am the owner of a new Honda PC. I find it awkward to get my toe under > the gearshift lever when wearing boots. My foot is not particularly big > (a 10-1/2). > > The problem seems to be that the wide footpeg interferes with the > ability to maneuver my foot below the lever. > > Does anybody else have this problem? Has anyone replaced the PC footpeg > with w cylindrical footpeg? > > I am thinking about going down to my Honda dealer and see if I can find > a "better" and easily-interchangeable footpeg on another model. > > Opinions and ideas are welcomed. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 08:51:01 -0500 From: Roger Prince To: dsampson@pacbell.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Difficulty with the gear shift lever Maybe the gear shift lever is improperly installed or just needs its position adjusted for your preference. Roger D. Sampson wrote: > > I am the owner of a new Honda PC. I find it awkward to get my toe under > the gearshift lever when wearing boots. My foot is not particularly big > (a 10-1/2). > > The problem seems to be that the wide footpeg interferes with the > ability to maneuver my foot below the lever. > > Does anybody else have this problem? Has anyone replaced the PC footpeg > with w cylindrical footpeg? > > I am thinking about going down to my Honda dealer and see if I can find > a "better" and easily-interchangeable footpeg on another model. > > Opinions and ideas are welcomed. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Dennis" To: "D. Sampson" Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:04:58 +0000 Subject: Re: Difficulty with the gear shift lever Reply-to: denko@ix.netcom.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu On 14 Jan 97 at 21:01, D. Sampson wrote: > I am the owner of a new Honda PC. I find it awkward to get my toe > under the gearshift lever when wearing boots. > Opinions and ideas are welcomed. I only have that problem if I try to wear *bulky* boots like Herman Survivors or, heaven forbid . . . Sorel TrailPacs. I would particularly like to be able to use the later like I used to do on my last mount. I was considering buying a spare gear shift lever and having it cut and welded a tad shorter and swapping it for the winter (at least). Anyone else try this yet? Dennis ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA08802; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:37:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:37:12 -0500 (EST) To: dsampson@pacbell.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Difficulty with the gear shift lever I think everyone has felt this to be a "problem". However, I think everyone just figured that there was nothing to be done and they just "worked around it". I've got size 12 feet and it's no longer a probleb for me. However, I think a different shift lever would be better than trying to replace the foot peg. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'Honda Sport Touring Association'" , "'pc800'" Subject: Aerostitch Roadcrafter 2pc for salde Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:28:25 -0800 My co-rider has moved on and I'm stuck holding her riding gear: a barely used (1 week) and super clean black with black ballistics two piece Roadcrafter. It's so new the fabric is still stiff! Size is "42 short" which according to Aerostitch fits a person with the following dimensions. Chest 42 Height about 5'7" Weight 150-190 Waist 36" Inseem 30 ˝" Of course, she wasn't THAT heavy so your results may vary. Aerostitch can be reached at 1-800-222-1994 if you'd like to consult on proper sizing. Purchased new this suit would cost you $697 PLUS shipping. Buy it from me for $600 obo and I'll ship it to you free of charge with its original Owner's Manual. What a deal! BTW: My Roadcrafter has near 50k miles and going strong. They're excellent! -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:47:08 -0800 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: to dana stop cleaning :>) -- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, AKC http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 11:51:07 -0600 From: Wells Family To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: pc convrsation Hi tired of the winter in Wiscosin.Got the non-motor riding blues.Thought convesation would help.some info about me. Name: Tom Wells Location:Southern Wisconsin E-mail:twells@execpc.com 1995 pc800 bought new in 1996 no modifications yet. looking foward to conversation. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 15 Jan 97 17:30:21 UT From: "Mike Larson" To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Difficulty with the gear shift lever It has been my experience that a motorcycle that correctly fits you is safer, more comfortable and just plain works better. For those who are interested in setting up their bikes I recommend two articles: 1. "Make It Fit" by Art Friedman, Motorcyclist July 1993. 2. "How to Tune Suspension, Get the most out of your bike's suspension" by Will Higgs, Motorcyclist May 1993. With a few hours work, I think you will be pleased at the results. Mike Larson milar@msn.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 13:03:31 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: Areostitch suit. To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > THIS IS A MESSAGE IN 'MIME' FORMAT. Your mail reader may not support MIME. > Some parts of this will be readable as plain text. > To see the rest, you may need to upgrade your mail reader. My co-rider has moved on and I'm stuck holding her riding gear: a barely = =0D used (1 week) and super clean black with black ballistics two piece =0D Roadcrafter. It's so new the fabric is still stiff=21 Size is =2242 sho= rt=22 =0D which according to Aerostitch fits a person with the following dimensions= . =0D =0D Chest 42=0D Height about 5'7=22=0D Weight 150-190=0D Waist 36=22=0D Inseem 30 =BD=22=0D =0D Of course, she wasn't THAT heavy so your results may vary.=0D =0D I am doing my best to hold my tongue on any disparaging, chauvinistic rem= arks. =0D As my girth has increased in recent years I don't want to be hypocritical= , but =0D man, it's hard=21=0D =0D Chris Klass=0D ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 13:26:55 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: Brrrrr To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > THIS IS A MESSAGE IN 'MIME' FORMAT. Your mail reader may not support MIME. > Some parts of this will be readable as plain text. > To see the rest, you may need to upgrade your mail reader. Hi tired of the winter in Wisconsin.Got the non-motor riding blues.Thought conversation would help.some info about me. Name: Tom Wells Location:Southern Wisconsin E-mail:twells@execpc.com 1995 pc800 bought new in 1996 no modifications yet. looking foward to conversation. MAN!!! That's a cold place. Though I love WI. The summers are great. And the winters though cold are too bad either. I have been to the EAA fly-in in Oshkosh a couple of times in the past 4 years. I once crossed into MI through Sault Ste Marie and took highway 2. It goes right along Lake MI. Stopped and spent the day swimming. FANTASTIC. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Chrchlls2@aol.com by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA10997; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 14:11:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 14:11:58 -0500 (EST) To: rjackson@wrightstrat.com, ericeric@cliff.concentric.net, _spain@edsug.com, johnl@general.net, PILEWIS1@concentric.net, 73414.466@compuserve.com, jlai@filenet.com, greg501@ix.netcom.com cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Good Weather Wow! That's what I call cutting it close with the weather. Though The SoCal PC Riders Club(SCPCRC) ride to Mt Palomar and the Observatory was cold ...~45 degrees plus wind (I know you guys north of 35 degrees latitude or 5000' altitude or both consider that still warm), most of us were dressed for our usual 60 degree weather. However the rain that threatened all day Saturday came with a vengance on Sunday and closed the Sunrise Hwy and Mt Palomar with snow. Even two days later it's still chains only. Fortunately here near sea level it's still 60 degrees plus and quite rideable. We had a great time. Watch for the upcoming ride review authored by Phil Lewis (I think). I'll let him tell the tale of the UFO Glowing Blue-Light PC. And for all you SCPCRC people, thanks. Looking forward to the next ride. I'll pull out my maps and see what a good route might be. I try something less twisty so the womenfolk will want to come. Phil, the radios work GREAT. Check is in the mail. SAC '89PC 35k and counting ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: to dana From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 15 Jan 1997 13:43:23 -0600 Lines: 10 >>>>> "DG" == Dave Gross writes: DG> stop cleaning :>) -- No way! I've picked up a great christmas present already. Too bad it's three weeks late, but my friends don't care. Now if I could only find a PC seat for sale... - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:13:49 -0500 (EST) From: Barre Bull To: Jason L Tibbitts III cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: to dana Ummmm...looking for a stock seat? Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us On 15 Jan 1997, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > >>>>> "DG" == Dave Gross writes: > > DG> stop cleaning :>) -- > > No way! I've picked up a great christmas present already. Too bad it's > three weeks late, but my friends don't care. > > Now if I could only find a PC seat for sale... > > - J< > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:25:23 -0500 (EST) From: Barre Bull To: Jason L Tibbitts III cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: to dana I've got the one off my 89 that I replaced with a Corbin...it's in very good shape...I'll talk to my accountant (read wife) about a price and let you know. Or...make me a semi-reasonable offer and we'll talk. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us On 15 Jan 1997, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > >>>>> "BB" == Barre Bull writes: > > BB> Ummmm...looking for a stock seat? > > Yep. Actually, I'm just looking for a replacement (in any condition that's > not losing foam) for my friend's stock seat. He can't afford a Corbin and > I can't afford to buy him a Corbin, but his seat looks, well, pretty sad > with the cover split in several places and foam spewing out onto the road. > (We both nave '94 PC's.) Dana's $25 stock seat offer was painful to miss > out on. > > - J< > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Barre Bull Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: to dana From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 15 Jan 1997 14:17:03 -0600 Lines: 12 >>>>> "BB" == Barre Bull writes: BB> Ummmm...looking for a stock seat? Yep. Actually, I'm just looking for a replacement (in any condition that's not losing foam) for my friend's stock seat. He can't afford a Corbin and I can't afford to buy him a Corbin, but his seat looks, well, pretty sad with the cover split in several places and foam spewing out onto the road. (We both nave '94 PC's.) Dana's $25 stock seat offer was painful to miss out on. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:57:54 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: dsampson@pacbell.net CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Difficulty with the gear shift lever > I find it awkward to get my toe under > the gearshift lever when wearing boots. My foot is not particularly big > (a 10-1/2). I hate to be the odd guy out, but the PC is the only bike I've owned that *didn't* get it's shift lever readjusted when I got it home. Suits me fine as is while wearing Alpinestars in size 9. One of the few advantages of being vertically challenged. (5'7") ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 16 Jan 97 00:04:39 UT From: "Paul Hayes" To: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "Gary E. Klim" , dsampson@pacbell.net Cc: "PC-800 E-Mail Group" Subject: RE: Difficulty with the gear shift lever I rode the PC for 6 months before I encountered the problem: the first time I had my Columbia boots on. I was able to work the boot under the gear shift, and ended up wit it at an odd angle between the peg and the shift lever, but figured that since I'm not going to have the boots on in connection with the bike too much, I'd just get used to it. Then I put the bike in the shed to work on it, it hasn't really bothered me since then ... When I was on the bike with the boot at that funny angle, I had thoughts about how easy it would be to torque my ankle if the tip of the boot caught the edge of a pothole or something. For those of you who are riding this way - be careful out there eh! - pauly -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu On Behalf Of Gary E. Klim Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 1997 2:58 PM To: dsampson@pacbell.net Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Difficulty with the gear shift lever > I find it awkward to get my toe under > the gearshift lever when wearing boots. My foot is not particularly big > (a 10-1/2). I hate to be the odd guy out, but the PC is the only bike I've owned that *didn't* get it's shift lever readjusted when I got it home. Suits me fine as is while wearing Alpinestars in size 9. One of the few advantages of being vertically challenged. (5'7") ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 15 Jan 97 17:43:38 PST From: "Wanda Bailie" To: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu, garyklim@snet.net, dsampson@pacbell.net, "Paul Hayes" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: Difficulty with the gear shift lever I guess being short and having a size 4 shoe has some advantages....I have never had the problem that has been the topic of late. Wanda Bailie '95 PC800 '91 Suzuki Bandit ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: RE: Difficulty with the gear shift lever Author: "Paul Hayes" at INTERNET-KENTROX Date: 1/16/97 12:04 AM I rode the PC for 6 months before I encountered the problem: the first time I had my Columbia boots on. I was able to work the boot under the gear shift, and ended up wit it at an odd angle between the peg and the shift lever, but figured that since I'm not going to have the boots on in connection with the bike too much, I'd just get used to it. Then I put the bike in the shed to work on it, it hasn't really bothered me since then ... When I was on the bike with the boot at that funny angle, I had thoughts about how easy it would be to torque my ankle if the tip of the boot caught the edge of a pothole or something. For those of you who are riding this way - be careful out there eh! - pauly -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu On Behalf Of Gary E. Klim Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 1997 2:58 PM To: dsampson@pacbell.net Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Difficulty with the gear shift lever > I find it awkward to get my toe under > the gearshift lever when wearing boots. My foot is not particularly big > (a 10-1/2). I hate to be the odd guy out, but the PC is the only bike I've owned that *didn't* get it's shift lever readjusted when I got it home. Suits me fine as is while wearing Alpinestars in size 9. One of the few advantages of being vertically challenged. (5'7") ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net ________________________________________________________________________ for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 03:19:25 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 21:13:16 -0600 From: Gerri Ewing To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: New Guy Name - Gerri R. Ewing (pronounced Gary) Address - 70 Regency Point Montgomery, Texas 77356 (40 miles north of Houston) Email Address - GEwing@worldnet.att.net Married (wife=Cindy) w 2 daughters Age- 48 For years my wife and I have sat on the sidelines and witnesed others exploring the backroads of east Texas on bikes. It looked as if they were thoroughly enjoying themselves as they rambled around in packs or solitary. Being as how I was a sailor and not a biker, we made ourselves content plodding around Lake Conroe. During the no-wind summer days of 1995 we decided to try biking as a alternate method of relaxing. I attended a motorcycle safety/operating course, then started looking for the perfect bike. We found a used 1990 Pacific Coast with only 3,400 miles on it. My sailboat has sat in the slip since. Our longest expedition so far involved a Florida Coast run. We started in Destin Fla, roamed the Atlantic Coast, all the way down to Key West. After the proper amount of decadence, we left the Keys and followed the Gulf Coast back to the Florida Pan Handle. It was a week to remember. Our PC now has about 8.5K on the ticker, and has developed a odd noise. A low growl is coming from the front end area (it's hard to pinpoint, since it only happens when the bike is moving). The noise doesn't start until the bike has had a chance to warm up, and seems to incresae in volume when leaning for corners. It is not a loud noise, and it may or may not be metallic. My first thoughts was the front wheel bearing, but the local shop says no. I checked the disk brakes for dragging, and disconnected the Speedo cable without any result. The wrench jockey at the local shop suggests I leave the bike and my wallet with him, and he'll check it out. After the bill I recieved for a tune-up I'm a little leary of that option. I'm reasonably good with a set of tools, but hesitant to just start tearing things apart. Does any one out there have a clue as to what his might be? Lost in the Piney Woods of Texas Gerri Ewing for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 20:41:27 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 20:41:29 -0800 From: philip ross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC for Sale Yes, its true - I must part with my 1990 PC800. It has 7000 miles on the clock, and a small scratch on the right fairing protector. No mods except for a passenger backrest. A beautiful (as you all know) red machine! I'd like $4500 for it. Interested? Phil Ross Olympia, Wa. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 22:11:56 -0800 From: greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers ) Subject: RE: Re: Helmet To: Harrison Spain <_spain@edsug.com> Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu You wrote: > >I'm hoping that the X9 will solve my forehead pressure problem. I have the RF700 XXL :-). > >Harrison > >---------- Harrison - I tried the XXL Shoei X-9; it was VERY tight in the cheeks. It is indeed for a narrower head than mine. I went with an XL (not XXL) Arai Quantum/e and exchanged the 20mm removable cheekpads for 12mm pads. All the difference in the world, and very comfortable. I think Arai has the edge with the removable pads. Greg Chambers. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Helmet From: Jason L Tibbitts III Lines: 14 Date: 16 Jan 1997 00:47:29 -0600 >>>>> "GC" == Greg Chambers writes: GC> I tried the XXL Shoei X-9; it was VERY tight in the cheeks. It is GC> indeed for a narrower head than mine. I think it's widely accepted that some people have "Shoei heads" and some have "Arai heads". I certainly have a Shoei head; Arai helmets always push too hard on my forehead and leave plenty of space everywhere else. I still have to say that I'm still amazed at how quiet my X-9 is. - J< (Who has to post something to test the list software upgrade he just did.) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Estes, Cory S" To: "'PC 800 List'" Subject: RE: pc convrsation Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 07:28:56 -0500 Tom, You've got what we riders call PMS.......Parked Motorcycle Syndrome The only known cure is to RIDE. Attendance at motorcycle shows and the like is at least like a band-aid & ointment......helps a little, but not a CURE. Cory S. Estes* *Motorcycle Adventurist '89 Honda Pacific Coast(Millennium Turtle) *Observer of Humanity '90 Honda GB-500 *Lover of Life '97 Chevy S-10 P-Up (Turtle 2)!!!!!!!!! >---------- >From: Wells Family[SMTP:twells@execpc.com] >Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 1997 12:51 PM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: pc convrsation > >Hi tired of the winter in Wiscosin.Got the non-motor riding >blues.Thought convesation would help.some info about me. >Name: Tom Wells >Location:Southern Wisconsin >E-mail:twells@execpc.com >1995 pc800 bought new in 1996 no modifications yet. > looking foward to conversation. >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 07:51:50 -0500 From: Roger Prince To: Greg Chambers Cc: Harrison Spain <_spain@edsug.com>, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Helmet --------------1CFBAE393F54BC7EFF6D5DF Greg Chambers wrote: > > You wrote: > > > >I'm hoping that the X9 will solve my forehead pressure problem. I > have the RF700 XXL :-). > > > >Harrison > > > >---------- > Harrison - > > I tried the XXL Shoei X-9; it was VERY tight in the cheeks. It is > indeed for a narrower head than mine. I went with an XL (not XXL) Arai > Quantum/e and exchanged the 20mm removable cheekpads for 12mm pads. > All the difference in the world, and very comfortable. I think Arai > has the edge with the removable pads. > > Greg Chambers. > -- My wife has an RF700 and had excruciating pain on her forehead after a 12hr (actually it took less than an hour) day. She never had a problem with her GRV (predecessor to the X8). I used a hammer to crush the EPS at the pressure point and it solved the problem. That problem wasn't noticeable in the showroom trying it on. I had intended to buy the RF700 for myself also but found that it curled the tops of my ears over and there was no place to put them. The X9 doesn't do that. My previous helmet was Shoei GRV, sz S. I would take RF700 sz S also but sz M in the X9. I really like the X9 TC3. I wonder whether X9 or Arai is quieter. Anybody? Roger Prince We found the ARAI to be a big problem with glasses. --------------1CFBAE393F54BC7EFF6D5DF ################################################################ *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman *FRANKLIN, MA ################################################################ --------------1CFBAE393F54BC7EFF6D5DF-- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id IAA12433 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 08:06:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 08:06:11 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New Guy Hi Gerri and welcome: This may be too simple to be real, but with 8.5k on the clock, you may be hearing tire noise (I assume that you're still running the original tire). It may have developed a wear pattern that is causing the noise. The fact that it gets louder in turns may be due to the fact that the tread on the sides of the tire, which still has lots of aggressive pattern left, will naturally make more noise than the worn center portion. One of the "problems" with having a generally quiet motorcycle is that you can hear the tires; on louder machines you can't hear them due to the competition from other areas of the bike. Just a thought. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 08:56:34 -0500 From: Roger Prince To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New Guy JTSMCRIDER@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Gerri and welcome: > > This may be too simple to be real, but with 8.5k on the clock, you may be > hearing tire noise (I assume that you're still running the original tire). > It may have developed a wear pattern that is causing the noise. The fact > that it gets louder in turns may be due to the fact that the tread on the > sides of the tire, which still has lots of aggressive pattern left, will > naturally make more noise than the worn center portion. One of the > "problems" with having a generally quiet motorcycle is that you can hear the > tires; on louder machines you can't hear them due to the competition from > other areas of the bike. Just a thought. > > JT > -- I agree. They start getting noisy around 6K and keep getting worse. The K555s and ML2s do it. It sounds like the noise is in the front but I think it's primarily caused by the rear tire. Slide your hand along the surface and feel for "stepping". Roger Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Dennis" To: Gerri Ewing Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 09:02:40 +0000 Subject: Re: New Guy Reply-to: denko@ix.netcom.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu On 15 Jan 97 at 21:13, Gerri Ewing wrote: > Our PC now has about 8.5K on the ticker, and has developed a odd noise. > A low growl is coming from the front end area (it's hard to pinpoint, > since it only happens when the bike is moving). The noise doesn't start > until the bike has had a chance to warm up, and seems to incresae in > volume when leaning for corners. It is not a loud noise, and it may or > may not be metallic. Gerri I have an 89 with 40K+ on it and I too have what I would describe as a howl that occurs for me, when I lean left. I seem to remember someone had a wheel bearing note about this and replacement is in my to do list (eventually). Could we have the same problem? I would guess my noise isn't as bad when hot though. That would make sense for wheelbearings. Dennis ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA16376; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 09:11:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 09:11:00 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu, AMHickey@aol.com, Smcavin@aol.com Subject: IL Bike Show Hi All, This will be close to the final announcement concerning the IL Bike Show. All of the details are listed below. The meeting is this Saturday, at the Honda Booth, between 2:00 and 2:30pm. The MN group is staying at the Motel 6 in Elk Grove Village. Some ST club members are meeting us and have a meal planned for afterwards. Anne Marie will have some raffle tickets for the bike to be given away in OK. It sounds like we will have about 30 people there with MN, IL, WI, MI and IN represented. Please wear some HSTA garb so folks will know who you are. There is NO HSTA booth this year. Well, that's it. Please, of course, feel free to post any other suggestions or ideas. What: Chicago Winter Motorcycle Show Where: Ohare Expo Center 5555 N. River Rd. Rosemont, IL This is close to O'Hare International Airport, NW of Chicago, Near 294 and I90 Price: $8.00 Friday, Jan 17th 5pm-10pm Saturday, Jan 18th 10am-10pm Sunday, Jan 19th 10am-6pm Regards, Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: NVXL62A@prodigy.com ( GORDON FRANK HSTA7186RG) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 09:28:41, -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, roger@etgn14.webo.dg.com Subject: Re: Battery or Alternator? Roger, sorry, it's actually 110 watts at full power, I have a thermostat and usually run it at 1/3 of full. Rethinking the whole problem again, with your input of course, I probably ran the heated suit for about 10 min. thru stop and go traffic and might have run down the battery. In a conversation with a Honda Rep, he suggested turning off the heat when not revving above 2000 rpm's. I've run the suit 4 times since the battery problem, and it's been fine. So thanks to everyone for your input. >Are you sure about that 100a? Not 100w? I'd suggest riding without >turning the power on to the electric suit for awhile. If you had a battery .>tender you could get a feel for the state of charge by how long the red >light stays on after connected. Should go green almost immediately if elec >system is ok. Roger ---------- To: roger > Subject: Re: Battery or Alternator? > Date: Tuesday, January 14, 1997 8:40 PM > Hi Roger, you asked :How much current does that suit draw? > It draws 100 amps with all attachments. Consensus seems to be > either stators or alternator. I've checked the battery and its a > little over 12v. Took a long ride today, and no problems, what do > you think? > Thanks again for your help./ > 96 PC with 1900 miles, purchased in Oct. 96. > Is this just a fluke or has anyone experienced a similar problem? > I have had a heated suit cable installed for the past 6 weeks and it 's connected, per the instructions, directly to the battery.) > Thanks for your help. ____ Gordon Frank NVXL62A@Prodigy.Com '96 PC800 Atlanta, Georgia ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PILEWIS1@CONCENTRIC.NET Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 07:04:05 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New Guy JTSMCRIDER@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Gerri and welcome: > > This may be too simple to be real, but with 8.5k on the clock, you may be > hearing tire noise I, also, was getting that same type of noise in turns, with about 6,000 miles on original K-155's. The noise has completely disappeared with my new K-177's. Phil So. Cal. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 16 Jan 97 11:53:57 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: PC's and ET's . . . A while ago, a list member posted a request for information on touring the Southwest's UFO hotspots. Whoever that was, the February issue of Rider has an article on that very subject. Seems that, inevitably, Roswell, NM and Rachel, NV (the nearest town to Area 51) are tourist traps now - but it still seems like a fun trip, to see all the UFO-kitsch, which provides more insight into us humans than into extraterrestrials. Of course, all UFO purists know that Area 51 is just a government smokescreen for Area 52, which is hidden-in-plain-sight in Venice Beach, CA. Steve ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PILEWIS1@CONCENTRIC.NET Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 23:04:01 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Return to Palomar '97 It's Saturday, it's warm, it's sunny, and it's another PC adventure in SUNNY Southern California!!! (Warning-There may be some exagerations in this story!) As I ride up to Ruby's Cafe', in San Juan Capistrano (strange, but I don't see any Swallows this morning), I know I'm at the right place as there are 4 beautiful white PC's lined up in perfect formation. As I add my colorful '90 to the line-up, we await only Eric's black Stealth Bat-Cycle to make our ride complete. Upstairs in Ruby's, we discuss our planned route. We also welcome Steve Churchill, and his '89 PC, just joining our little group. Our planned trip this Saturday, is the Return to Palomar Observatory which took place approximately one year ago by Johan and his wife Lillian, Harrison and his son Dave, and Steve Schiboula and his significant other, Patty. Steve Churchill came up with a beautifully planned and detailed route. The idea on this trip was to avoid The California Freeway system, which if you know Southern California, is almost impossible. (Trees and grass are an endangered species around here!) So Steve hands us all his 25 paged Xeroxed road map and.......... (during the ride, Steve says, via our Maxon radios, O.K., now everybody turn to page 10!!!) ;) Eric arrives a little after myself, after a quick breakfast, our 10:00 am excursion (actually it's almost 11:00) is on the move. This is the first time we've had 6 PC's all riding together, and as we performed a left echelon peel off to the nearest gas station, in the heart of the San Juan Capistano, it was like the HELL'S ANGELS revisited, (or maybe a police department motorcycle drill team :)) The first leg is Highway 74, also known as the Ortega Highway, which has great turns and beautiful views. About halfway along this road, we stop at a local roadside Eatery, to check out the view of Lake Elsinore, some thousand plus feet below us. As it turns out, this is also very popular stop for Harley riders, and others, to take their breaks. We didn't get pushed over the edge of the cliff or beaten with chains, as might have happened in years gone by; but there were a few comments such as, "OH, how cute!" or "Oh look, you get two for the price of one!" And then, with an "ear shattering" roar of heavy metal, the Harley's rumbled down the hillside! Not far behind, The Mighty PC's took to the same highway with a "ROAR" like none other (is my engine still running)! After passing through the little city of Elsinore, we head for what was to be a nice lazy ride around Canyon Lake. Unfortunately, it turns out that Canyon Lake is a gate guarded community. It CAN be passed through by people who don't live there, but, you guessed it, Motorcycles are not allowed. We considered crashing the gate, but.......... couldn't you just see the headlines; "PC TERRORISTS STORM CANYON LAKE...FILM AT ELEVEN!!) So, we all head off, away from the gate, back up the road, and then we say "Hey, we shoulda' got some pictures!" (I don't know what we'd do without or radios!) So..... we turn around and head back!! I wish I could have seen the guards face, through the glass of her booth, when we started coming back toward her. We park near the guard shack and the Canyon Lake Sign, and the moment is recorded forever for posterity. We leave quick', for we're sure she's already called for BACKUP!! >From there, we have to turn around and head back for the DREADED FREEWAY! It seems like there is just no getting around here, without it. On the way to the freeway, however, we see an interesting sight, A GIANT APPLE, over 15 ft. high, which has dropped to the ground and split open. You'll just have to study the picture, on our web pages, because there is just no way of explaining this Phenomenon. This giant apple was guarded by crazed wild dogs (a medium sized, short haired, hound type and her 3 pups). We knew that these dogs were not to be taken lightly, as it looked like they may have had a relative for lunch! But, true to the CORE, we risked life and limb to bring you that daring photo. Once on the Freeway, it was just cruising 'til the turnoff going up to Palomar. The temperature had been staying around 60 degrees or so, as evidence by those of us with those Brookstone thermometers. But we know that colder times were ahead at we ascended to the top of the Mountain. Palomar is about 5,500 ft above sea level and the standard amount that temperature drops is 3 1/2 degrees per thousand ft. of elevation, so any way you slice it, it was going to be about 40 degrees at the top; we were not disappointed. It was interesting to me that I seemed colder once I got off the bike, than I was while I was riding. (I'm sure that it's all psychological!!) Except for the cold, the ride up the hill was spectacular! Lot's of S-TURNS with nice dry road conditions, not a lot of traffic, and clear blue sky with plenty of sunshine (once we got above the cloud layer!). Coming back in the Spring or Summer is a definite must. After a short look at the obervatory, we headed down the mountain side for a late lunch (after 4:00pm) early dinner in Santa Ysabel. We still hadn't warmed up, so it was hot soup and hot chocolate and hot tea, to light the internal fire. It was getting dark as we headed out for our final leg, and that's when "IT" appeared. I looked in my rear view mirrors and there was this strange blue glow with the outline of a PC. Well, we all just had to stop and investigate this strange phenonmenon! It was Harrison's '89 PC with "CALIFORNEON!" It's difficult to express this in words, but we will have pictures soon. This is low voltage lighted tape that Harrison used to outline his PC. The link site is "http://www.amerintl.com/motorcycle.html". It comes in different colors, and Harrison used Blue to accent his white PC. The effect is quite startling, and makes the bike very visible at night. It is sure to be seen on more PC's in the Southland soon. As we wound our way back through Escondido, to the 78 Freeway, and on to the 5 Freeway, and on the 405 Freeway, and on to the 55 Freeway (well, you get the idea), it was another great ride, and another great day of being with old and newfound friends. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 16:32:22 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: HELLLOOO To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > THIS IS A MESSAGE IN 'MIME' FORMAT. Your mail reader may not support MIME. > Some parts of this will be readable as plain text. > To see the rest, you may need to upgrade your mail reader. QUIET TODAY! by jarvis.ims.alaska.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA11402 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 17:51:31 -0900 (AKST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 17:51:31 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Gas At 11:40 AM 1/6/97 +0000, John wrote: >Interested in the discussion on gas. here in UK lowest octane is 95! No >problems using that at all. On continent lowest is 92. I suspect it is >not the octane rating that is important, but what the bike has ben tuned >for. Bike has to be tuned (i.e. ignition setting) to suit the octane >rating and can happily use anything from 82-95. It sounds to me like Europe uses the "other" formula for calculating octane (no joke, there are two methods, one yields hihger numbers that the other) can't remember what they are called. RON comes to mind, research octane number, but don't know which one it is. That would explain why the octane numbers are so high compared to here. As far as price, no contest. We have inexpensive gasoline here. Juan "The best long distance runners eat raw meat, run naked and sleep in the snow" -- from an Alaska Airlines ad ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '93 ArcticCat Panther DLX University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- by jarvis.ims.alaska.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA11454 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 18:01:57 -0900 (AKST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 18:01:57 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Heater Grips At 08:49 AM 2/10/97 +0000, Chris Klass wrote: >Just got a set of heated grips (Hot Grips). I probably wont get to them for a >couple of weeks. Any hints or advice? What power supply should I tap into? >Has anyone tried using a different switch? The toggle switch included is >kinda big. Any specific power requirements to the switch? I would rather get a >small water resistant switch and mount it on the handlebars. Howdy. I would use the switched power tap provided by Honda (there are two, one switched, one not) The power tap box resides next to the starter solenoid under the passenger seat. Check the web pictures for exact location. As far as the switch goes, I bought a marine grade toggle, the used my dremel tool to gind the lever to a nub so it wouldn't snag. I placed it on the gray portion of the dash just ahead of my left knee, where my hand falls to naturally, so I don't have to look down to turn it on. Make sure the resistor for the "low" setting is in a place where it receives airflow, and is not touching any plastic -it gets hot! Good luck, and welcome to the land of toasty digits. :-) Juan "The best long distance runners eat raw meat, run naked and sleep in the snow" -- from an Alaska Airlines ad ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '93 ArcticCat Panther DLX University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- by jarvis.ims.alaska.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA11488 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 18:16:21 -0900 (AKST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 18:16:21 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Getting a PC800 to Hong Kong At 05:33 PM 1/14/97 +0800, Larry Campbell wrote: >I'm interested in buying a new PC800 in the US and shipping it to Hong Kong >myself rather than buying one off one of the local dealers. Their prices >are more than double the cost of a PC800 in the US, and it has very little >to do with tax (which, admittedly, is somewhat high here). Larry, there is a list member by the name of Phillips Wong who is a member of the Hong Kong Police Dept. He had one (maybe two) PC's shipped to him from somewhere in San Francisco. Haven't heard from him in a while, might not subscribe anymore. Perhaps he could give you a hand. Anyone out there heard from Phillips? Good luck. Juan "The best long distance runners eat raw meat, run naked and sleep in the snow" -- from an Alaska Airlines ad ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '93 ArcticCat Panther DLX University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Thu, 16 Jan 1997 23:16:02 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: E-mail address change Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 23:16:02 -0500 FYI -- PC800 list subscribers note: List subscriber Gregg L. DesElms (formerly subscribed as deselms@primenet.com) is now subscribed to the PC800 list as: deselms@royal.net Effective 2/1/97, e-mail to deselms@primenet.com will bounce back. Please address all future e-mail to Gregg DesElms at deselms@royal.net effective immediately. Thank you. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Getting a PC800 to Hong Kong From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 16 Jan 1997 23:34:16 -0600 Lines: 10 >>>>> "JAG" == Juan A Goula writes: JAG> Larry, there is a list member by the name of Phillips Wong who is a JAG> member of the Hong Kong Police Dept. He's still here. Number four on the subscriber list, which means he's been around for quite a while. I can't be certain that the address doesn't lead to a black hole, though. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 19:55:25 +0800 From: Poh Yu Seung To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Help...rear cupping Poh Yu Seung wrote: > > Dear list members, > > have bought a used '95 PC on new year's eve and previous owner had > installed a Metzeler ME 88 Marathon tire on the rear. I have noticed it > is cupping and am currently running the pressure at 225 kPA (front and > rear), even with two persons on board. > > Does anyone know if I can reduce the cupping by running the tire at a > higher pressure? or will I just end up with a rock hard ride? > > Yu Seung from Singapore ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 08:33:04 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: Re: Re: Help...rear cupping To: pohys@singnet.com.sg (Poh Yu Seung), pc800@hpc.uh.edu I think it might be too late to repair depending on how severe the cupping is. I don't think that raising the tire presure beyond a certain point will help. When this happens on a car I try rotating the tires so they spin in the opposite direction. I don't know if that will work on a bike. Chris Klass 1995 PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 08:43:33 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: Re: HELLLOOO To: slwcpa@ix.netcom.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Steve, After I asked last week if anyone was going to the NYC MC show several people responded. I figure that next week I will post it again, get firm commitments. And maybe even post a schedule so we all know who will be going, when, and maybe who will ride in - Yeah, right! I am near the Holland tunnel. My building has indoor parking ($5 a day). And we could car pool in. I have a Winstar. (Big frigg'in school bus!). Or we could park in my building and tak either a ferry, or the Path train into the city. Let me know. As I said I will put out a reminder next week. Chris Klass 95 PC800 908-204-2691 work ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA21816; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 09:06:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 09:06:06 -0500 (EST) To: pohys@singnet.com.sg cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Help...rear cupping Hello, Poh Yu Seung: Welcome to the list (I haven't noticed anything from you before; so, I assume that your are new to the list). Metzeler recommends the following pressures (measured cold) for their ML2 Marathon tires on the Pacific Coast: Solo: Front--246 kPa (36 psig), Rear--300 kPa (38 psig). With load/passenger: Front--260 kPa (44 psig), Rear--315 kPa (46 psig). I am not sure if these same pressures are valid for the ME88, but I suspect that they will be close. If you want to find out for sure, you should contact METZELER's representative in your country. Here in the U.S. they have a toll-free customer service number--(800) 722-3336. There should be a similar service number that you can call to get their recommendations. I doubt that increasing the pressures to these values will cure the cupping that is already present, but it should give better fuel consumption and tire wear. Cupping is frequently the result of a poorly balanced tire and wheel. In addition to using the higher pressures, you should have the balance checked and corrected if necessary. I hope that this information is of use to you. Good luck. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA17342; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 09:21:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 09:21:10 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu cc: pohys@singnet.com.sg Subject: Re: Re: Help...rear cupping Hi Chris: In a message dated 97-01-17 08:48:33 EST, you write: << When this happens on a car I try rotating the tires so they spin in the opposite direction. I don't know if that will work on a bike. >> This would not be a good idea on a bike. Motorcycle tires are constructed to take their principle torsion loading from one direction only (indicated by the Rotation Arrow on the side wall). Running them in the other direction can cause internal separations that could lead to failure. And by the way, for similar reasons, it isn't really a good idea on a car either if it has radial-ply tires (it doesn't matter which direction they roll upon initial installation, but once the have been run in one direction, they should remain running in that direction.). JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 10:50:08 -0800 From: "Peter B. Tamblyn" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: ST1100 for sale For Sale: 1995 Honda ST1100 with Honda backrest, Cleervue +2" tinted shield, Heli handlebars, Avon radials, 13K miles, warranty and all service current, shop manual, excellent - no flaws $8595 call Pete in Georgia, 706 778 3342 or mail pbt@cyberhighway.net (Please do not respond to the list.) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 10:01:43 -0500 From: Roger Prince To: pohys@singnet.com.sg Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Help...rear cupping The ME88 has to be the wrong size, 140/90-15? But no matter. I've run ME88 and ML2s. Both of them step, no matter how much air psi you ride with. Stepping becomes noticeable about 6k and gets progressively worse. Your only solution is new tires. Cupping doesn't mean the tire isn't useable. Roger Poh Yu Seung wrote: > > Poh Yu Seung wrote: > > > > Dear list members, > > > > have bought a used '95 PC on new year's eve and previous owner had > > installed a Metzeler ME 88 Marathon tire on the rear. I have noticed it > > is cupping and am currently running the pressure at 225 kPA (front and > > rear), even with two persons on board. > > > > Does anyone know if I can reduce the cupping by running the tire at a > > higher pressure? or will I just end up with a rock hard ride? > > > > Yu Seung from Singapore > by jarvis.ims.alaska.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA12436 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 09:02:08 -0900 (AKST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 09:02:08 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Re: Help...rear cupping At 08:33 1/17/97 +0000, Chris Klass wrote: >I don't think that raising the tire presure beyond a certain point will help. >When this happens on a car I try rotating the tires so they spin in the >opposite direction. I don't know if that will work on a bike. No! Please do not try this! M/C tires are engineered to rotate in one direction only. You could risk catastrophic failure of the carcass if you reverse it, not to mention evil handling. Be carefull! Juan "The best long distance runners eat raw meat, run naked and sleep in the snow" -- from an Alaska Airlines ad ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '93 ArcticCat Panther DLX University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:43:40 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: Wrong way tires To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Well I am feeling a little beat up here ;-) I did say I thought it was not a good idea. I have this fear that my next message will be from an attorney represently a guy who tries this, has a fall, and says it was my idea. Let me put the record straight. So everyone knows. I have a VERY small liability policy, and I rent, not own an apartment. So aside from my Xena trading cards I have few assest to get :-( And don't even think about my bike! However you can have my Ford Winstar. PLEASE. Chris Klass 95 PC 800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Smcavin@aol.com by emout01.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA05791; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 15:53:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 15:53:20 -0500 (EST) To: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Gas Juan, I mean with with all due respect - Is there anything you don't know? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Estes, Cory S" To: "'Smcavin@aol.com'" , "'PC 800 List'" Subject: RE: Gas Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 16:35:25 -0500 This message just came through: > >Juan, > >I mean with with all due respect - Is there anything you don't know? Let me tell you folks, I've known Juan for a few years now and I can't think of anyone else who seems to know a little bit about just about everything! He's not a know-it-all or anything like that, he's just very well-read and has a mind like a steel trap. Pretty sharp fellow and it's my pleasure to know him and my extreme honor to call him a friend! Cory S. Estes* *Motorcycle Adventurist '89 Honda Pacific Coast(Millennium Turtle) *Observer of Humanity '90 Honda GB-500 *Lover of Life '97 Chevy S-10 P-Up (Turtle 2)!!!! > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > by jarvis.ims.alaska.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA13749 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:45:57 -0900 (AKST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:45:57 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Gas At 15:53 1/17/97 -0500, you wrote: >Juan, > >I mean with with all due respect - Is there anything you don't know? Well now you are making me blush... ;-) This question should actually be directed to other members of this list, Ray Nielsen to mention one. Just trying to help. Juan "The best long distance runners eat raw meat, run naked and sleep in the snow" -- from an Alaska Airlines ad ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '93 ArcticCat Panther DLX University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 17:20:50 +0000 From: Gary Wilson To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Gas > >Juan, > > > >I mean with with all due respect - Is there anything you don't know? dear fellow travelers, i have found that the more i know, the less i realize i know. this factoid reveals itself most pointedly in that i am a newcomer to the world of motorcycles. my first one; an 89 pc. i love it. i wrecked it in a ditch. but i love it. getting it fixed so i can go out again. the hill country of texas is perfect for riding. i didn't realize, in my old age, that such pleasure and distraction could be found in the mechanized world. i just have to realize that daydreaming on a motorcycle is not a good idea. i should remain focused. my plans are to go to alaska this summer. i will be contacting Juan (of course) in this regard. BTW, i am looking for a medium shoei full face helmet if anyone has one for sale and any other protective gear (large to XL.) i enjoy this list very much. Gary in Austin. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 15:50:47 -0800 From: Johan Lai To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Gas Gary Wilson wrote: > BTW, i am looking for a medium shoei full face helmet if anyone has one > for sale and any other protective gear (large to XL.) i enjoy this list very > much. > Gary in Austin. A neat piece that I found was an undercoat armor that I bought from Motoport (800/777-6499) called the Body Guard Jacket. It's basically the Tri-Armor system that's in most of their suits and jackets with a zipper in front. You wear this under your normal jacket to add protection. Of course, I've never tested the durability in an actual crash (and I hope I never find out), but they say all the armor used are exactly the same (2 pieces of foam with plastic sandwiched in between). I figure it'll postpone my purchase of a fullbody suit a little longer. The best part is it's only $99. It's got the back armor, shoulder, elbow and wrist, and rib cage armor. They only have 2 sizes, size 3(S-M) and size 5(L-XXL). I'm 5'8" 170lbs and fit the size 3 pretty good. But if I was a little larger, I'd go with the size 5. It's much looser, probably can fit a sweatshirt underneath. However, they say it's best if it's fit snug so it'll stay put in a crash. I'll try to get a photo of it and put it on out web page. If you're looking at a complete suit, then please ignore this message :) Cheers, Johan Lai Orange, CA '89 "Cassandra" by jarvis.ims.alaska.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA14545 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 17:20:58 -0900 (AKST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 17:20:58 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Difficulty with the gear shift lever At 09:01 PM 1/14/97 -0800, D. Sampson wrote: >I am the owner of a new Honda PC. I find it awkward to get my toe under >the gearshift lever when wearing boots. My foot is not particularly big >(a 10-1/2). >The problem seems to be that the wide footpeg interferes with the >ability to maneuver my foot below the lever. There is a relatively easy fix for this. Remove just enough plastic to get to the shift lever pinch bolt, remove it, slide the lever out and replace it one notch over clock-wise. I suspect that should take care of your problem. You could do something similar to the brake lever, except it involves adjusting the limiter bolt, the brake rod adjustment and the light switch adjustment. Not hard to do. Good luck. Juan >Does anybody else have this problem? Has anyone replaced the PC footpeg >with w cylindrical footpeg? > >I am thinking about going down to my Honda dealer and see if I can find >a "better" and easily-interchangeable footpeg on another model. > >Opinions and ideas are welcomed. >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > "The best long distance runners eat raw meat, run naked and sleep in the snow" -- from an Alaska Airlines ad ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '93 ArcticCat Panther DLX University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 12:16:51 +0800 From: Poh Yu Seung To: PC800 list Subject: OK, won't rotate Hi everyone, I've been on the list since December and bought a '95 PC with 24k miles on new year's eve. (Boy, was my date impressed that night...and it wasn't me :) I used to ride a Honda Helix but after a year and a half, wanted more speed and stuff like that. Really suffered on the first day I got the PC due to the increase in bulk from the Helix and sweated a bit just to back out of some parking lots. But now got the hang of it and am learning how to find parking spaces not on slopes. Will be 27 this year and would like to make a quick informal survey. Apparently the locals think the PC is for the elderly. Young folk, they claim, should ride a real rocket. (read : ST1100, ZZR1100, etc). So as a result, other PC owners I've met in Singapore are older than me. (mid thirties and above) Would anyone like to comment? Oh yes, Chris, I promise I will not change the rotational direction of my tires. Yu seung from Singapore Only one '95 PC in the land with the highest car ownership costs in the world. Period ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 06:17:27 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: pohys@singnet.com.sg CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: OK, won't rotate Poh Yu Seung wrote: > Will be 27 this year and would like to make a quick informal survey. > Apparently the locals think the PC is for the elderly. All a matter of perspective. I'll be 41 in March, yet I refuse to grow up. ;) ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 06:49:28 -0800 From: luvadot@sprynet.com (Bob and Grace) Subject: Too funny not to post To: bstewart@CSWNET.COM, dogcia@aol.com, bill.weissborn@ons.octel.com (bill weissborn), knives@tiac.net, nov@erols.com, TRAHAN2@ngcm01.youngsville.anadrill.slb.com, young@techplan.com, yzarc@sprynet.com, 76632.1766@compuserve.com, jlai@filenet.com, settlej@bah.com, lkallstr@csc.com, foronda@erols.com, tvcreative@ckpg.bc.ca, berryr@ncr.disa.mil, smkellen@erols.com, treis@nosc.mil, jackechs@erols.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu fyi < >> This lady goes into a sporting goods store looking for >> a rod and reel for her husband as a present. She finally >> decides on a rod-and-reel combo and takes it up to the >> clerk to ask the price. he clerk replies, "I'm blind, >> but if you drop the rod on the floor I can tell you what >> kind it is and how much it costs." The lady looks >> perplexed but responds by dropping the rod on the floor. >> The clerk remarks, " That is a Fenwick Eagle 6 foot >> Spinning Rod Classic Combo, the price is $40. If you >> bring it up to the register I can ring it up for you." >> The lady is amazed. As she bends over to pick >> up the rod-and-reel off the floor she lets out >> a tremendous fart. Embarrassed, she scurries over >> to the counter. >> The clerk rings up the sale and says, "That will >> be $57 dollars". >> The lady questions him, "I thought you said it was >> only $40?" >> The clerk replies, " Its $40 for the rod-and-reel, $10 >> for the duck call, and $7 for the stink bait. :) bob and grace parker http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/luvadot __________________________________________________________________________ "Those who reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it." - Thomas Paine Send *NO* Unsolicited Commercial Email _________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA09255; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 10:56:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 10:56:56 -0500 (EST) To: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Juan for King !!!!! I say , Juan for KING !!!!!! humbly, Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 11:32:33 -0500 (EST) From: Barre Bull To: Poh Yu Seung cc: PC800 list Subject: Re: OK, won't rotate Poh, I'm 44, raced the crotch rockets of the time while in my twenties, still like to scoot on occaision. But also like to take real long rides, like 2 or 3 thousand miles in a week. Can't do that on a crotch rocket. So now I ride a PC, I can go pretty fast and ride the twisties when I want to on those long rides. But it's really just a matter of how you want to ride. Don't let that macho talk get to you...you will probably still be riding when you get older which I've found is not the case with alot of people who only ride to be cool when they are young. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us On Sat, 18 Jan 1997, Poh Yu Seung wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I've been on the list since December and bought a '95 PC with 24k miles > on new year's eve. (Boy, was my date impressed that night...and it > wasn't me :) > > I used to ride a Honda Helix but after a year and a half, wanted more > speed and stuff like that. Really suffered on the first day I got the > PC due to the increase in bulk from the Helix and sweated a bit just to > back out of some parking lots. But now got the hang of it and am > learning how to find parking spaces not on slopes. > > Will be 27 this year and would like to make a quick informal survey. > Apparently the locals think the PC is for the elderly. Young folk, they > claim, should ride a real rocket. (read : ST1100, ZZR1100, etc). So as > a result, other PC owners I've met in Singapore are older than me. (mid > thirties and above) > > Would anyone like to comment? > > Oh yes, Chris, I promise I will not change the rotational direction of > my tires. > > Yu seung from Singapore > > Only one '95 PC in the land with the highest car ownership costs in the > world. Period > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 12:05:52 -0600 From: Wells Family To: PC800@mailgate.execpc.com, List@mailgate.execpc.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Just saying Hi Hello Pc riders, just thought I'd introduce myself,I'm Toms back seat warmer. Sounds like theirs a lot more Pc folks than we thought. Hope to meet you some time. Enjoy the Ride, Lisa ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 13:04:35 -0800 From: Sam Hershfield To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC Tires, helmets and windshields Got to clear garage: 2- K555's, 2- K555F's, 1-ML2 Front, two white helmets (Shoei large and HJC small ), original 89 windshield. All very good condition, tires 1/3 worn average. Make me an offer I can't refuse and they're yours! Call, don't email please- Sam Hershfield @ 213 857 5123 or 310 306 8745 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com by emout20.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id DAA12779; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 03:13:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 03:13:23 -0500 (EST) To: pohys@singnet.com.sg, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: OK, won't rotate In a message dated 97-01-17 23:14:04 EST, pohys@singnet.com.sg (Poh Yu Seung) writes: << Will be 27 this year and would like to make a quick informal survey. Apparently the locals think the PC is for the elderly. Young folk, they claim, should ride a real rocket. (read : ST1100, ZZR1100, etc). So as a result, other PC owners I've met in Singapore are older than me. (mid thirties and above) >> Hmmm. Well, I am 55 and ride a Suzuki RF600RR (for sale this Spring), a Honda CBR900RR (not for sale at all) and my wife''s PC. She is substantially younger than I. If my family is typical (and I won't even attempt to argue that it is ), then PC's are for the younger folk and people gravitate to faster machines as they mature! Regards, <> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id DAA29267; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 03:13:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 03:13:21 -0500 (EST) To: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Gas In a message dated 97-01-16 21:52:57 EST, jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula) writes: << It sounds to me like Europe uses the "other" formula for calculating octane (no joke, there are two methods, one yields hihger numbers that the other) can't remember what they are called. RON comes to mind, research octane number, but don't know which one it is. That would explain why the octane numbers are so high compared to here. As far as price, no contest. We have inexpensive gasoline here. >> Juan, Actually, while there are two methods of specifying octane, the number specified on US pumps is neither. It is the average of the two. Politics, don't you know! Regards, <> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Rusty Jackson To: "'Estes, Cory S'" , "'Smcavin@aol.com'" , "'PC 800 List'" Subject: RE: Gas Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 09:08:31 -0800 You have to find something to do when it is -50 outside! I guess we know what Juan does now... He reads! ====================================== Russell C. Jackson - Software Engineer rjackson@wrightstrat.com -------------------------------------- Wright Strategies 2223 Avenida de la Playa La Jolla, CA 92037 619-551-6808 ====================================== -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Estes, Cory S [SMTP:EstesCS@88ABW.WPAFB.AF.MIL] Sent: Friday, January 17, 1997 1:35 PM To: 'Smcavin@aol.com'; 'PC 800 List' Subject: RE: Gas This message just came through: > >Juan, > >I mean with with all due respect - Is there anything you don't know? Let me tell you folks, I've known Juan for a few years now and I can't think of anyone else who seems to know a little bit about just about everything! He's not a know-it-all or anything like that, he's just very well-read and has a mind like a steel trap. Pretty sharp fellow and it's my pleasure to know him and my extreme honor to call him a friend! Cory S. Estes* *Motorcycle Adventurist '89 Honda Pacific Coast(Millennium Turtle) *Observer of Humanity '90 Honda GB-500 *Lover of Life '97 Chevy S-10 P-Up (Turtle 2)!!!! > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 19 Jan 97 18:52:59 UT From: "Mike Larson" To: "British Iron Mailing List" , "HSTA List" "PC800 List" Subject: Magazine Prices Hello, Is there anyone out there who is knowledgable about the value of old magazines? I got 80+ old Cycle World Magazines primarily from the 1960's, but some from the '70's and early '80's. I want to sell them at a local swap meet next month. Most are in average to above average condition. What is a going price for a Cycle World from the 1960's? 1970's?, early '80's? Thanks! Mike Larson milar@msn.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 16:13:03 -0600 From: carol ann decelle-meek To: Pacific Coast Subject: Price Discount Houses I need sources for purchasing various covering for my 1994 PC. I am looking for original Honda PC parts...but not at dealer's cost. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 16:38:51 -0600 From: carol ann decelle-meek To: Pacific Coast Subject: Price Discount Houses I need reputable price discount sources to purchase 1994 PC (Black) cover parts ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Milar@msn.com Cc: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Magazine Prices From: rogerprince@juno.com (Roger F Prince) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 22:06:09 EST Mike, after that is figured out, maybe somebody would like to guess what every issue ever published by Rider is worth. Roger On Sun, 19 Jan 97 18:52:59 UT "Mike Larson" writes: >Hello, > >Is there anyone out there who is knowledgable about the value of old >magazines? > >I got 80+ old Cycle World Magazines primarily from the 1960's, but >some from >the '70's and early '80's. I want to sell them at a local swap meet >next >month. Most are in average to above average condition. What is a >going price >for a Cycle World from the 1960's? 1970's?, early '80's? > >Thanks! > >Mike Larson >milar@msn.com >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 09:19:43 -0500 From: Roger Prince To: CHRISTOPHER M KLASS Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: HELLLOOO I've thought a little about goung to the NY show but I'm not keen on driving into the city. I see on a map I got from the Inet the Javits Center isn't too far from Penn Station. Walking distance? Does anyone have suggestions on taking a train from CT to Penn Station? Thanks Roger CHRISTOPHER M KLASS wrote: > > Steve, > > After I asked last week if anyone was going to the NYC MC show several people > responded. I figure that next week I will post it again, get firm > commitments. And maybe even post a schedule so we all know who will be going, > when, and maybe who will ride in - Yeah, right! I am near the Holland tunnel. > My building has indoor parking ($5 a day). And we could car pool in. I have > a Winstar. (Big frigg'in school bus!). Or we could park in my building and > tak either a ferry, or the Path train into the city. > > Let me know. As I said I will put out a reminder next week. > > Chris Klass ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 09:27:42 -0500 To: Roger Prince From: Keith Sproul Subject: Re: HELLLOOO Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >I've thought a little about goung to the NY show but I'm not keen on >driving into the city. I see on a map I got from the Inet the Javits >Center isn't too far from Penn Station. Walking distance? Does anyone >have suggestions on taking a train from CT to Penn Station? >Thanks Walking to the JAVITZ center from Pen Station is just fine.. About 5 blocks.. I have done it MANY times.. I will ONLY go in by train.. If the weather is bad, it is a cheap taxi ride form Penn Station.. Keith Sproul Keith Sproul ksproul@noc.rutgers.edu WU2Z Student Housing Network Coordinator 908 445-3695 W Rutgers University Computing Services 909 821-4828 H ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 08:17:38 -0700 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Singapore >>Only one '95 PC in the land with the highest car ownership costs in the >>world. Period I'm curious... how bad is it? Bob C. NM ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:15:47 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: Javits Center To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > THIS IS A MESSAGE IN 'MIME' FORMAT. Your mail reader may not support MIME. > Some parts of this will be readable as plain text. > To see the rest, you may need to upgrade your mail reader. I've thought a little about goung to the NY show but I'm not keen on driving into the city. I see on a map I got from the Inet the Javits Center isn't too far from Penn Station. Walking distance? Does anyone have suggestions on taking a train from CT to Penn Station? Thanks Roger NYC, in all it's wisdom has no really great way to get to the Javits center by public trans. Walking would be possible but remember east to west blocks are long. And it has been a little cold. A cab could be the best way. It is close so not too much $. Chris Klass ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 08:33:33 -0700 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: OK, won't rotate I'm 48, ride motocross, and in the words of Jimmy Buffett, am "growing older but not up". I think the PC has an "old-guys" reputation simply because it does its job quietly and without a lot of commotion. So what if it won't do 160. Other thoughts: I see the guy on the Honda 175 that rides to work every day as more of a "real rider" than the profiler on his crotch rocket (or cruiser) that just goes out on prime afternoons to impress people. (That's not to knock those kinds of bikes or the majority of the people who ride them!) In the 'BMW Owners' News', I read how one of the long-distance riders (on a relatively stodgy BMW) deals with Ricky Racers that look down on him. "Want to race? Sure, I'll race. Here to Key West. Leave now." Bob C. NM ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: DOUG_MARLOW@HP-Waltham-om3.om.hp.com Date: Mon, 20 Jan 97 10:23:05 -0700 Subject: '94 PC800 for sale To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Item Subject: cc:Mail Text 1994 Pacific Coast for sale: 11,800 miles Black and silver Rifle windshield Hondaline cover and shop manual included Excellent condition $5,000 or BRO Contact Doug Marlow Chelmsford, Mass. W (508) 659-3894 H (508) 256-3594 by jarvis.ims.alaska.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id IAA17144 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 08:25:59 -0900 (AKST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 08:25:59 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: OK, won't rotate At 12:16 1/18/97 +0800, you wrote: >Will be 27 this year and would like to make a quick informal survey. >Apparently the locals think the PC is for the elderly. Young folk, they >claim, should ride a real rocket. (read : ST1100, ZZR1100, etc). So as >a result, other PC owners I've met in Singapore are older than me. (mid >thirties and above) > >Would anyone like to comment? Well... I'm 32 right now, but I _was_ 27 when I bought the PC :-) Does that count? Juan "The best long distance runners eat raw meat, run naked and sleep in the snow" -- from an Alaska Airlines ad ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '93 ArcticCat Panther DLX University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- by jarvis.ims.alaska.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id IAA17180 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 08:34:35 -0900 (AKST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 08:34:35 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Juan for King !!!!! At 10:56 1/18/97 -0500, you wrote: >I say , > >Juan for KING !!!!!! OK Tod, now I _really_ know cabin fever is getting to you... Juan "The best long distance runners eat raw meat, run naked and sleep in the snow" -- from an Alaska Airlines ad ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '93 ArcticCat Panther DLX University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 12:35:56 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Sid Liebes Subject: Rifle I installed 20" Rifle on PC800 this weekend. At 5'9", and probably a tiny bit longer in torso relative to legs than average, in normal posture, the top edge of the windshield is exactly on the horizon ... with slight slouch I view through the windscreen ... sitting relatively severely straight-backed I peer over. Comments/suggestions welcome. Thanks, - Sid ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mskrocki@meldrum.com Date: Mon, 20 Jan 97 16:17:44 est To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Motorcycle Inspector Hi all, I am currently contemplating purchasing a motorcycle via the internet. And I was wondering if a mailing list member living in the vicinity of the two dealerships in question, might take a look at the bikes in person (anyone can make a bike look good in a photo) and give me a personal perspective. The first bike (1982 R65) resides at: BMW Motorrad/Kawasaki 411 Forest Park Blvd St. Louis MO 63108 The second bike 1986 K75) is at: BMW Motorcycles of Santa Cruz 5100 Soquel Ave Santa Cruz, CA 95062 If there is someone nearby I would really appreciate if you could take a look. Enjoy the ride. Mark Skrocki Mark & Sandra Skrocki Shaker Hts., OH 44120 mskrocki@meldrum.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA22859 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:18:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:18:36 -0500 (EST) cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Bike Security in New Orleans Any P C riders going to New Orleans may want to check out The Best Western Patio Inn located on Tulane Ave. It is excellent for bikers because it offers free enclosed parking under the motel. In Crescent City bike security is a necessity. The motel is in walking distance of the convention center, the dome and the quarter. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 16:02:28 -0700 From: Alexander Gray To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Relocating Hello Gang! Well I'm moving from Flagstaff, Arizona to Denver, Colorado and I'm just wondering if there is anyone in the group up there? I sure would like to ride with a fellow PC'er. Let me know if anyone is near. I will be up there next weekend. See you on the road. -- Alexander D. Gray in Flagstaff, Arizona Texas Tech University.......Southern Methodist University Pictures of me and my PC =http://web.inter.NL.net:80/users/G.Diepeveen/pc800/pictures.htm 94 Honda Pacific Coast HSTA #6862 by mail.webspan.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA25089 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 18:53:08 -0500 (EST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 18:55:26 -0500 From: Klassc To: Honda PC 800 List Subject: CA Super Bike School? OK. California Super Bike School? Anybody ever been? I have a chance to go to the school at Watkin's Glenn, NY in May. It is $250 with my bike, and $450 with their Kawa ZX6. One day, classes and track time. They say about 150 miles on the track. Would kinda rather trash a fast bike. But would also like to learn on the bike I ride. Any opinions? The school is for enhancing turning and braking. Chris Klass 95 PC 800 P.S. As you probably know. If I drop my bike I would have to push it to the street to get any insurance coverage. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 19:04:50 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: klassc@webspan.net CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: CA Super Bike School? Klassc wrote: > I have a chance to go to the school at Watkin's Glenn, NY in May. > Any opinions? Have you ever been to or watched races on TV from Watkins Glen? The placement of the Armco Barriers are designed with 4 wheelers in mind, not 2. While it looks like a great track from what I've seen on TV, there are numerous corners with dangerously close Armco Barriers. (Then again, they run AMA and NASB at Loudon, another dangerous track.) IMHO take your own bike should you decide to go. The thought of replacing any of that plastic will almost insure a "wheels down" pace... gk ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 16:53:40 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Dave Lott Subject: 95 PC For Sale This ad is in current issue of Atlanta GA Cycle Trader. 1995 Honda PC800, black/grey/silver, mint condition, professionally maintained, 5900 miles, no time to ride, asking $6500. Phone # is (770) 445-5731. From photo, looks like it has Honda backrest. If anyone is interested, I will be glad to make inquiries or inspect bike for you. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 16:53:42 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Dave Lott Subject: 95 PC For Sale This ad is in current issue of Atlanta GA Cycle Trader. 1995 Honda PC800, black/grey/silver, mint condition, professionally maintained, 5900 miles, no time to ride, asking $6500. Phone # is (770) 445-5731. From photo, looks like it has Honda backrest. If anyone is interested, I will be glad to make inquiries or inspect bike for you. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id IAA20096 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 08:26:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 08:26:53 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: CA Super Bike School? Hi Chris: I have not yet attended the CA Superbike School, but I know several people who have (although it was during its previous incarnation when they didn't allow personal bikes). All have reported it to be a lot of fun and well worth the time and expense. It was in the past oriented strictly to the sport-bike/racing motif, but it sounds like Keith is moving it more toward Reg Pridmore's CLASS in concept, since they are allowing personal bikes now. CLASS (which evolved from the old, BMW-oriented RATS) has always been in the ride-your-own, street-bike mode. I attended CLASS at Road Atlanta a few years back (on my Hawk GT) and had a great time. I plan to go back again, on the PC next time. Keith Code can be a bit difficult to understand at times, but he has some good information to pass along. I'd definitely attend on your bike. Take it easy, expand the envelope slowly, and have a great time. Take some extra gas along; at track speeds, you won't get 150 miles on one tank--maybe not even two! :) JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 15:10:10 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: Little Help? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Any views, opinions, advice,...Anything? I am thinking about taking a roadracing type class. Anyone done it? Or do I need to ask those guys on the Yamaha GTS1000 newsgroup? Chris Klass 95 PC 800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 14:28:51 -0600 From: Steve Robinson To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: '95 PC800 For Sale (Dallas) Hello! I haven't rode a bike in about 10 years (Yamaha 550 Vision) and was interested in starting up again. Went and took a look at the local Honda shop and was definitely impressed with the PC. They had a '95 one with less than 2K miles, looked in excellent shape and was asking $6999. I'm asking the great wisdom of this group to see what is a good price, what type of things I should look for on the bike to make sure I'm not getting bit. Thanks, Steve Robinson Dallas, TX Steve.Robinson@MCI.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Roger Prince" To: "Steve Robinson" , Subject: Re: '95 PC800 For Sale (Dallas) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 18:09:19 -0500 It's expensive. I paid $6700 for my '95, new, in 7-95. But supply and demand dictate the price. I'd try to get him down a bit or get some free extras. It's $1500 cheaper than '96 or '97. Does it have any accessories? Backrest, etc.? It has to be near perfect. Should, at the very least, get a free oil change. Good luck ################################################################ *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman *FRANKLIN, MA ################################################################ > I haven't rode a bike in about 10 years (Yamaha 550 Vision) and was > interested in starting up again. Went and took a look at the local > Honda shop and was definitely impressed with the PC. They had a '95 one > with less than 2K miles, looked in excellent shape and was asking $6999. > > I'm asking the great wisdom of this group to see what is a good price, > what type of things I should look for on the bike to make sure I'm not > getting bit. > > Thanks, > Steve Robinson > Dallas, TX > Steve.Robinson@MCI.com Tue, 21 Jan 1997 22:44:14 CST by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA26828; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 20:38:34 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 20:38:34 -0800 From: greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers ) Subject: Re: 95 PC For Sale To: Dave Lott Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu You wrote: > >This ad is in current issue of Atlanta GA Cycle Trader. > >1995 Honda PC800, black/grey/silver, mint condition, professionally >maintained, 5900 miles, no time to ride, asking $6500. If anyone is interested, I will be glad to make inquiries or inspect bike for you. > Sounds a bit high. I paid $6,000 for a 96 with 2,081 miles in mint condition. On the other hand, I PAID 6k, and they are ASKING $6,500. Greg Tue, 21 Jan 1997 22:50:13 CST by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA22321; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 20:44:59 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 20:44:59 -0800 From: greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers ) Subject: Re: '95 PC800 For Sale (Dallas) To: Steve Robinson Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Steve Sounds a bit steep, considering new ones are only a few hundred more (after negotiation). My 96 with 2k miles was $6,000 two months ago. Good luck. Greg CHambers You wrote: > >Hello! > >I haven't rode a bike in about 10 years (Yamaha 550 Vision) and was >interested in starting up again. Went and took a look at the local >Honda shop and was definitely impressed with the PC. They had a '95 one >with less than 2K miles, looked in excellent shape and was asking $6999. > >I'm asking the great wisdom of this group to see what is a good price, >what type of things I should look for on the bike to make sure I'm not >getting bit. > >Thanks, >Steve Robinson >Dallas, TX >Steve.Robinson@MCI.com >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 08:57:50 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: What to do, What to do! To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Ok, I know it is only the end of January but I got my latest issue of MCN. So for those of you in the east coast mark your calendars for Conn Super Ride in May, Americade June 4-7 (aprox) at Lake George, NY, and Loudon Races in NH right after Americade. I will put up a reminder again in early March. Ok, ok I can't help it! Is it obvious I started my bike up last night? Chris Klass ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Estes, Cory S" To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: What to do, What to do! Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 13:04:22 -0500 Yep, seen it before, it's a confirmed case of PMS. Poor fella! >---------- >From: cklass@attmail.com[SMTP:cklass@attmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 1997 3:57 AM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: What to do, What to do! > >Ok, I know it is only the end of January but I got my latest issue of MCN. >So >for those of you in the east coast mark your calendars for Conn Super Ride in >May, Americade June 4-7 (aprox) at Lake George, NY, and Loudon Races in NH >right after Americade. > >I will put up a reminder again in early March. > > >Ok, ok I can't help it! Is it obvious I started my bike up last night? > > > >Chris Klass >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ChrisTUBA@aol.com by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA25355 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 22:21:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 22:21:31 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: How About A Wisconsin Trip In Late June? Hi All! I've been silent these past couple of months, just reading the traffic. It was extremely enjoyable to see all of the comments about Guido (Where is he now, by the way?). And, you're right, it does seem that Juan knows just about anything. I have another friend in Alaska, and what I've learned is that what Alaskans don't know, they improvise on the fly. Pretty impressive. BTW, I just wanted to comment about this age thing. I'm 24, so maybe I'm at the bottom of the age list here. Nonetheless, the reason why you buy the PC is because of what it's useful for...just about everything. Most motorcycles have a "task specific" purpose, and the PC blends a few of those tasks. Perhaps the PC is the ultimate all-around motorcycle. One thing is for sure...the PC sure does a lot of good PR for the motorcycling world in general. Why doesn't Honda market the PC800 any better than they do? Any ideas? Now, the main question...I'm a person who likes to plan ahead. Is there any interest on scheduling a PC ride or short tour in Wisconsin (my home state) in late June? Let's not even consider destinations yet (Door County, Green Bay, and the Wisconsin Dells are all very possible options), but is there interest in such a ride? Let me know. One other thing...I really appreciate those of you who have changed your habits and no longer include the complete e-mail message which you are responding to. Thanks very much! Chris Russell 1996 PC800, 5500 miles, surviving the winter by teaching music in the Dominican Republic ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:02:05 -0500 From: Jeff Leech To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: How About A Wisconsin Trip In Late June? ------------7D2E12F7F851 >> Now, the main question...I'm a person who likes to plan ahead. Is there any >> interest on scheduling a PC ride or short tour in Wisconsin (my home state) in >> late June? Let's not even consider destinations yet (Door County, Green Bay, >> and the Wisconsin Dells are all very possible options), but is there interest in >> such a ride? Let me know. June Sounds like a good time. I almost always try to schedule a trip somewhere near the Fourth of July. I went up into the U-P of Mich last year, then over to Duluth and back down via the river road to the Quad cities. A trip through Wisc would be a good compliment. Start thinking of some details. Maybe an informal PC rally? Jeff Leech Centerville, OH '94 PC-800 ------------7D2E12F7F851
>>  Now, the main question...I'm a person who likes to plan ahead.  Is there any >> interest on scheduling a PC ride or short tour in Wisconsin (my home state) in >> late June?  Let's not even consider destinations yet (Door County, Green Bay, >> and the Wisconsin Dells are all very possible options), but is there interest in >> such a ride?  Let me know.
 
June Sounds like a good time.  I almost always try to schedule a trip somewhere near the Fourth of July.  I went up into the U-P of Mich last year, then over to Duluth and back down via the river road to the Quad cities.  A trip through Wisc would be a good compliment.  Start thinking of some details.  Maybe an informal PC rally?
 
        Jeff Leech    
        Centerville, OH
        '94 PC-800
------------7D2E12F7F851-- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA01441 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:14:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:14:41 -0500 (EST) To: ChrisTUBA@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: How About A Wisconsin Trip In Late June? Yo Chris, (and all other Area Riders), We are trying to put together an organizational meeting late in jan. Of course, as these plans come together, you are welcome and all plans will be posted online. Hey, How was the IL Motorcycle Show???? Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 08:11:12 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: Things to do in WI To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Chris, Get an issue of Motorcycle Consumer News. If you can't get one let me know and I will look at mine. They have a great calendar. Chris Klass 95 PC 800 Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:30:06 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: ChrisTUBA@aol.com From: Gordon Golder Subject: Re: How About A Wisconsin Trip In Late June? Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:30:06 +0000 At 03:21 AM 1/23/97 +0000, you wrote: >BTW, I just wanted to comment about this age thing. I'm 24, so maybe I'm at >the bottom of the age list here. Nonetheless, the reason why you buy the PC >is because of what it's useful for...just about everything. Most motorcycles >have a "task specific" purpose, and the PC blends a few of those tasks. > Perhaps the PC is the ultimate all-around motorcycle. One thing is for >sure...the PC sure does a lot of good PR for the motorcycling world in >general. > Chris: Well, 24 is pretty young, and you may be at the bottom of the age range on the list and owner of a pc800. But, I happen to be 68 and am probably at the top of the age range. >Now, the main question...I'm a person who likes to plan ahead. Is there any >interest on scheduling a PC ride or short tour in Wisconsin (my home state) >in late June? Let's not even consider destinations yet (Door County, Green >Bay, and the Wisconsin Dells are all very possible options), but is there >interest in such a ride? Let me know. > Chris: Might be interested. I am in Grand Rapids, MI. Am thinking about roaming to California in mid June when my wife and daughter will be in Diablo CA. They would fly and I would ride the pc800 out and back. I would probably head west across the UP of Michigan on HWY 2. Let's see if there is any other interest in a group getting together for a short ride while I am in the area. Regards, Gordon ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Estes, Cory S" To: "'jleech@erinet.com'" , "'PC 800 List'" Subject: RE: How About A Wisconsin Trip In Late June? Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 11:28:34 -0500 >June Sounds like a good time. I almost always try to schedule a trip >somewhere near the Fourth of July. I went up into the U-P of Mich last >year, then over to Duluth and back down via the river road to the Quad >cities. A trip through Wisc would be a good compliment. Start thinking >of some details. Maybe an informal PC rally? > > Jeff Leech > Centerville, OH '94 PC-800 Hey Jeff, Where do you live in Centerville? I'm off Bigger very close to the bridge over I-675. Maybe we can get together some time for a ride. Also to Chris and others: Wisconsin might be good in June. What are the dates for HSTA STAR '97? It would probably be best not to compete w/ that great event. Cory S. Estes* *Motorcycle Adventurist '89 Honda Pacific Coast(Millennium Turtle) *Observer of Humanity '90 Honda GB-500 *Lover of Life '97 Chevy S-10 Pick-Up > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA04302 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:35:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:35:52 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re:Cold Weather Riding A great aid to cold weather riding is an article of clothing called a five way scarf. It is a tub of elastic cloth that can be pulled over the head a worn as a scarf around the neck. It can also be pulled up over the ears to form a tight fitting hood, simultaneously, if desired, it can be stretched to protect the nose and mouth. It fits nicely under your helmet. The five way scarf can be purchased at most sporting good stores or ski shops for between $7.00 to $12.00. I took delivery of a Shoie X-9 Helmet from the local BMW dealer a few days ago. It was expensive, but it is silence behind a 20" Rifle Windscreen. Because of the odd shape of the X-9, most people wear a size larger than their normal helmet size. While at the BMW dealership I rode the new BMW 650ST. I have never been an BMW avocate, believeing their machines were a generation behind the Japanese in development. The new 650ST changed my mind. The clumsy transmission is gone, as well as the constant vibration. The rider sat in the bike, not on top of it. It is worth a ride. Performance is simular to our PCs. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 13:10:07 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: BMW 650 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > THIS IS A MESSAGE IN 'MIME' FORMAT. Your mail reader may not support MIME. > Some parts of this will be readable as plain text. > To see the rest, you may need to upgrade your mail reader. The new 650ST changed my mind. The clumsy transmission is gone, as well as the constant vibration. The rider sat in the bike, not on top of it. It is worth a ride. Performance is simular to our PCs. I read a review of the 650 in the latest MCN. GREAT BIKE! But, the price!! equally as great. $2000 more than a KLR 650. I could make a lot of improvements for that kind of money. But none the less they say it is one of the best that can also keep up with most in the twisties. Chris Klass 95 PC 800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ChrisTUBA@aol.com by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA06691 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:38:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:38:48 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Some Concrete Plans for June... Greetings Again! There's been enough of a response that I'm going to set a few things down in concrete here regarding 'the Wisconsin PC Ride' which we'll slate for late June. There will also be the annual AMA races at Road America, but I believe that they happen later in the summer. Okay...the concrete items... #1 The date will be on Saturday, June 28th. #2 We will meet at the famous Smiling Barn on the intersection of I-94 and Hwy. 83 That's the two concrete things. Destination, numbers, and all are still up in the air. BTW, contact me directly if you have feedback, let's not clog up the listserver. I'll send out a friendly reminder about once a month about the ride, at least until about a week until it happens. That's all! Chris Russell 1996 PC, 5500 miles, surviving the winter in the Dominican Republic ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 20:24:55 -0600 From: Wells Family To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: A little mellower sound Hi Folks: Looking for some info on exhaust systems.Would like a little mellower sound from the twins.Guess the kids coming out in me.Please respond if there is any other kids at heart out there. Tom Wells Wisconsin 95 PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Smcavin@aol.com by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA25679 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 20:11:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 20:11:17 -0500 (EST) To: ChrisTUBA@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: How About A Wisconsin Trip In Late June? Sounds great - I'm in Chicago - an easy trip to meet you. I once visited a customer in Phillips and then over to another one near by - I think the town was Clear Lake. North west WI is hilly, beautiful, and quiet - good for riding. On your other comment regarding age - Think of the PC as a fine wine. What makes a wine fine? The fact that you (the taster) like it. Bart 24 Jan 1997 09:53:27 -0600 (MDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 09:53:27 -0600 (MDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by cc.usu.edu From: David Clark Subject: Re: Some Concrete Plans for June... To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 05:38 PM 1/23/97 -0500, you wrote: >Greetings Again! > >There's been enough of a response that I'm going to set a few things down in >concrete here regarding 'the Wisconsin PC Ride' which we'll slate for late >June. There will also be the annual AMA races at Road America, but I believe Just saw something in the MCN about an international rally in Lacrosse, WI for late June. Don't have all the info with me at work. Will get the rest of the info and post later. David Clark Logan, UT 95 PC800, wifes 90 GL1500, mine ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 19:10:45 -0800 From: "D. Sampson" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Big-time stopping problems!! I am an owner of a brand new (1996) PC800 and have managed to ride a mere 50 miles over the last two weekends. I am also a novice rider, but have taken the MSF course. I have a big time problem, however. I have managed to drop the bike three times now in coming to a stop (all from a less than 25 mph). I have been using the front brake primarily due to the poor action of the rear (I was told by the salesman that the rear braking action will improve as the shoes fully seat themselves). The bike has been steady and stable during the braking. On three instances where I have "dropped" it, in the last second of braking - just before I was ready to put my feet down - the handlebars have violently jerked out of mine hands (twice to the right and once to the left.) When I say violently, I mean my (right)wrist is still aching from last weeks episode when it fell on the right side; the first time it happened and fell on the left side, I could barely use my left hand and went to my doctor thinking that I had broken it! It happens near instantaneously. One second everything is normal; the next, the bike is on the ground. I have spoken to several experienced riders at work and they all seem dumbfounded. Per the MSF course, I am sitting upright, looking at a distant point, keeping the handle bars square during the braking operation. I have never heard the front wheel skid (indicating that I have locked the front wheel), but it happens so quick - and I am so shook as a result - that I missed it. I would be interested for any opinions or theories about what is happening here. I have spoken to the salesman, but he didn't have any ideas. If it ever stops raining in (northern) California, I take it in and have the service folks look at it. Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Dennis" To: "D. Sampson" Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 23:19:51 +0000 Subject: Big-time stopping problems!! Reply-to: denko@ix.netcom.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu On 24 Jan 97 at 19:10, D. Sampson wrote: > I have a big time problem, however. I have managed to drop the bike > three times now in coming to a stop (all from a less than 25 mph). I > have been using the front brake primarily due to the poor action of > the rear (I was told by the salesman that the rear braking action > will improve as the shoes fully seat themselves). Gee, really sorry to hear about your difficulties. My suspicion would be brake fluid on the pads. That would make the brake grabby. Dennis ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: bsltwr@xs4all.nl Date: Sat, 25 Jan 97 11:48:48 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: How About A Wisconsin Trip In Late June? On 01/22/97 at 10:21 PM, ChrisTUBA@aol.com said: >Hi All! >BTW, I just wanted to comment about this age thing. I'm 24, so maybe I'm >at the bottom of the age list here. Nonetheless, the reason why you buy >the PC is because of what it's useful for...just about everything. Most >motorcycles have a "task specific" purpose, and the PC blends a few of >those tasks. I agree with you. I'm 25 and am the junior in the Dutch PC club. We have about 200 members and most of them are between 30 and 50. Most people by a PC for the looks and the easy riding position. What I've noticed during trips is that the older owners don't drive as fast as some of us younger lads do. Most of them want to enjoy the scenery and drive their bikes at a respectable pace of 20 to 25 mph on the twisty backroads. I like to ride a bit faster and enjoy the feel of riding a bike. How do you use your bike? I don't own a car and use the bike for almost everything. Bas -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Email: bsltwr@xs4all.nl Url : http://www.xs4all.nl/~bsltwr ----------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 08:31:20 -0500 (EST) From: Barre Bull To: "D. Sampson" cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Big-time stopping problems!! Sounds to me like, that though you may think you have the bike straight up you don't. Generally if the front wheel heads in any direction other than straight ahead the bike is leaning in the direction that the front wheel turns to. Most important part of stopping any bike is that the bike is not leaning. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, D. Sampson wrote: > I am an owner of a brand new (1996) PC800 and have managed to ride a > mere 50 miles over the last two weekends. I am also a novice rider, but > have taken the MSF course. > > I have a big time problem, however. I have managed to drop the bike > three times now in coming to a stop (all from a less than 25 mph). I > have been using the front brake primarily due to the poor action of the > rear (I was told by the salesman that the rear braking action will > improve as the shoes fully seat themselves). > > The bike has been steady and stable during the braking. On three > instances where I have "dropped" it, in the last second of braking - > just before I was ready to put my feet down - the handlebars have > violently jerked out of mine hands (twice to the right and once to the > left.) When I say violently, I mean my (right)wrist is still aching from > last weeks episode when it fell on the right side; the first time it > happened and fell on the left side, I could barely use my left hand and > went to my doctor thinking that I had broken it! It happens near > instantaneously. One second everything is normal; the next, the bike is > on the ground. > > I have spoken to several experienced riders at work and they all seem > dumbfounded. Per the MSF course, I am sitting upright, looking at a > distant point, keeping the handle bars square during the braking > operation. > > I have never heard the front wheel skid (indicating that I have locked > the front wheel), but it happens so quick - and I am so shook as a > result - that I missed it. > > I would be interested for any opinions or theories about what is > happening here. I have spoken to the salesman, but he didn't have any > ideas. If it ever stops raining in (northern) California, I take it in > and have the service folks look at it. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Sat, 25 Jan 1997 16:04:56 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 16:03:50 -0800 From: "Gregg L. DesElms" To: dsampson@pacbell.net CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Big-time stopping problems!! D. Sampson wrote: > > I am an owner of a brand new (1996) PC800 and have managed to ride a > mere 50 miles over the last two weekends. I am also a novice rider, but > have taken the MSF course. > While the PC800 is probably one of the best of the bigger bikes that a novice rider might want to tackle as a first bike, it is nevertheless still a "big" bike and cannot be handled like the somewhat smaller bikes typically used in an MSF course. Balance is king with a big bike since there is a point beyond which a leaning big bike can typically not be "saved" on its way to a tipover. One of my first questions to you might be, "Is this the best bike for you at this point in your riding experience?" > I have a big time problem, however. I have managed to drop the bike > three times now in coming to a stop (all from a less than 25 mph). I > have been using the front brake primarily due to the poor action of the > rear (I was told by the salesman that the rear braking action will > improve as the shoes fully seat themselves). > This is a very, very serious thing. As with flying, the "riding" part is the fun part, but it is not nearly as important to motorcylists as safe, controlled "stopping." If this problem is mechanical, it could result in the loss of your life, plain and simple. The salesman misled you, in a way. While it's true that there is a certain amount of "seating-in" that all brakes do, there is NO REASON to baby the rear brake. A safe, controlled stop on dry pavement requires BOTH brakes, applied in the proper proportions. True, the slightly harder braking should be on the front, but the rear should be used less-than-sparingly as well. Given dry pavement conditions in a non-emergency situation, 30 to 40 percent of the braking in a straight-on stop should be happening on the rear. Please begin using your rear brake as it should be used immediately. Do not "baby" it until it "seats in." And, if the reason you're not using or cannot rely on the rear brake is because it is performing poorly and you are under the misimpressing that its poor performance is because it isn't yet "seated in," then you have been given potentially fatal misinformation. If the rear brake is performing poorly, even before it has "seated in," GET IT FIXED AT ONCE!!!! Then please start using it properly! (By the way, I'm not tring to "YELL" at you, here. I'm just trying to be emphatic. What you're reporting to us worries me -- a LOT -- and I don't want to read a post to this list next week that you're dead or in the hospital because of this!) > The bike has been steady and stable during the braking. On three > instances where I have "dropped" it, in the last second of braking - > just before I was ready to put my feet down - the handlebars have > violently jerked out of mine hands (twice to the right and once to the > left.) When I say violently, I mean my (right)wrist is still aching from > last weeks episode when it fell on the right side; the first time it > happened and fell on the left side, I could barely use my left hand and > went to my doctor thinking that I had broken it! It happens near > instantaneously. One second everything is normal; the next, the bike is > on the ground. > In my estimation, two things need to happen immediately: Firstly, you need to have this bike looked-at at the dealer. Now! Have him verify that the calipers are working right and equally, and that the pads are okay; that no air is in the lines and that the right fluid and in the proper amount is in the canister; that no lubricant fluid of any kind has accidentally spilled onto the rotors; and that the rotors are true and that the entire front rotor and wheel assembly is per factory spec. And have him check the steering head bearing and and have him make sure that it is properly torqued. Also have him verify that the fluid has not leaked-out of one of your front fork tubes and that both tubes have the same amount of fluid (and that it is the right fluid). Have him also make sure that the tiny holes in the front fork anti-dive assembly have not gotten clogged-up and that both forks compress equally and return equally during a stop. Have him also make sure that your front bearings are okay. Finally, have him make sure that there isn't a problem with your front tire. Make sure it's seated onto the rim properly and that it doesn't slide against the rim during a hard stop. Make sure it's the proper tire for that rim and that bike, and that it is properly inflated. The second thing that needs to happen is that someone (someone who knows what they're doing, like an MSF instructor) reviews your braking procedures. I'm fearful that the problem has more to do with your use (or misuse) of the rear brake than you may realize. > I have spoken to several experienced riders at work and they all seem > dumbfounded. Per the MSF course, I am sitting upright, looking at a > distant point, keeping the handle bars square during the braking > operation. > I'm not trying to rain on your parade, but if you're at the point in your riding experience when you are still thinking-through these steps in a very conscious way, and consciously making sure that you're in the proper position, etc., then there's a good chance that you're a little too up-tight, so to speak, and that you need a bit more practice and that the logistics of motorcycling need to become somewhat more second-nature to you before you tackle a bike like the PC800. (And it'll save you money in fiberglass, if nothing else!) Few things in life require quite as much sheer second-nature, fluid coordination of proper, simultaneous body movements as (safe) motorcycling does. It's not that you're too much of a green-horn or that you shouldn't have purchased the PC800. I'm not saying that. In fact, I'm quite sure that you're going to be a terrific rider and that you'll end-up loving that machine. But I would counsel that you've got to loosen-up and learn to follow your instincts a bit and that you need A LOT MORE PRACTICE (and confidence). And, as I wrote earlier, you probably should have someone who really knows what they're doing review your riding and braking procedure. > I have never heard the front wheel skid (indicating that I have locked > the front wheel), but it happens so quick - and I am so shook as a > result - that I missed it. > > I would be interested for any opinions or theories about what is > happening here. I have spoken to the salesman, but he didn't have any > ideas. If it ever stops raining in (northern) California, I take it in > and have the service folks look at it. For starters, stop listening to that particular salesman. You took the MSF course, which means you know someone who's qualified to assess your technique. Either go talk to him or her or, since there's a possibility that the problem is that he or she taught you something wrong, talk to a different MSF instructor about it. Please only talk to your salesman when you need to buy a bike (and even then, watch out!). One's employment at a motorcycle dealership does not automatically evidence one's expertise in motorcycling. Talk to someone who has actually demonstrated minimal expertise by doing something objectively observable... someone like an MSF course instructor who has taken the time and trouble to get training. And, please, when it DOES finally stop raining, take the bike STRAIGHT TO THE DEALER. Please don't get injured while you're asking knucklheads like us or the "experienced riders at work" what the problem could be. This is too important. Get the bike in, get it looked-over, make them check and double-check, and then make sure your procedures are sound. Then practice, practice, practice. (And as you're practicing, think about poor folks like us up here in Minnesota who won't be riding again 'til late April or early May! I'd give anything right now for the "rain" problem you've got!) Good luck and ride safely! Gregg DesElms deselms@royal.net ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 17:18:33 -0800 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: tire experiment hi gang! well..in the next few weeks I'll be trying a little experiment. I just happened by Seattle Cycle Center today and the Dunlop rep was there! After discussing my riding style and usage, they've suggested putting a 177 on the front, and a 491 on the rear ($240 for the pair, fully installed). Of course, he said that a matching pair of 177's would be just fine and a tad less $$$, but the 491 is a little better wet pavement tire and a stronger compound..supposedly the recommended replacement tires for Goldwings... and the dealer guy said if I didn't like it, I could trade it in within 30 days or 1000 miles for a full refund/exchange..now THAT"S service :>) I'll keep ya informed. and yes, he said ML2's were 3-6months delayed and $150 more for the pair. hell with dat noise ":>) -- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, AKC http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: dkgross@halcyon.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: tire experiment From: rogerprince@juno.com (Roger F Prince) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 21:17:19 EST On Sat, 25 Jan 1997 17:18:33 -0800 Dave Gross writes: >hi gang! > >well..in the next few weeks I'll be trying a little experiment. I >just >happened by Seattle Cycle Center today and the Dunlop rep was there! >After discussing my riding style and usage, they've suggested putting >a >177 on the front, and a 491 on the rear ($240 for the pair, fully >installed). > > Dave, I assume that means a size 140/90-15 rather than 140/80-15. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 18:27:48 -0800 From: greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers ) Subject: Re: How About A Wisconsin Trip In Late June? To: bsltwr@xs4all.nl Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Bas I'm not 25 (I'm 46), and I'm a new rider, but unless those twisties are VERY tight, holding it down to 20 to 25 mph would require some OUTSTANDING scenery. On the other hand, I imagine your scenery IS pretty nice compared to Los Angeles. Greg Chambers You wrote: What I've noticed during >trips is that the older owners don't drive as fast as some of us younger >lads do. Most of them want to enjoy the scenery and drive their bikes at a >respectable pace of 20 to 25 mph on the twisty backroads. I like to ride a >bit faster and enjoy the feel of riding a bike. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 18:35:31 -0800 From: greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers ) Subject: Re: Big-time stopping problems!! To: deselms@royal.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Gregg What a pleasure it is to read a well thought out, comprehensive, and caring post like yours. Although I have not had a braking problem with my new '96 PC800, and have put on about 500 miles, I have gained immeasurably from the experience and willingness to share of those who frequent this list. Thank you. Greg Chambers ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id GAA16355 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sun, 26 Jan 1997 06:18:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 06:18:30 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Big-time stopping problems!! Hi D. >From what you describe, it seems certain that the front brake is locking. That is about the only thing that will cause the steering to rapidly deflect the way you describe. How rapidly are you trying to stop when this happens? If you are really on the brakes, then it could be simply that you are applying too much pressure--the PC has pretty effective front brakes, and they can be locked without a lot of lever pressure, especially at low speeds when the rotational energy of the wheel is low. This is even more true if the surface is wet or has some contamination like oil, antifreeze, sand, etc. For most stops, you should try to do your "heavy" braking early in the stop such that you can ease off a bit during the last few feet. If the surface is dry and you are not applying much pressure when it happens, there could be some contamination on the disks or the pads that is causing them to grab when they get hot. If this is the case, the dealer should be able to check this out and correct it. Keep us posted. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 08:24:59 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: Re: tire experiment To: dkgross@halcyon.com (Dave Gross), pc800@hpc.uh.edu ) Subject: Re: How About A Wisconsin Trip In Late June? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I do not remember who started this thread, but I stated I thought there was some sort of a rally planned for Wisconsin in late June. Well, here is the info that I have from MCN: June 24-27 Mega Interprises International, Mega International Motorcycle Rally LaCrosse, WI Contact: Mega International Motorcycle Rally 3151 Rainbow Blvd, Box 222 Las Vegas, NV 89108 800.600.8969 Don't know anything else about it. David Clark Logan, UT 27 Jan 1997 09:59:14 -0600 (MDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 09:59:14 -0600 (MDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by cc.usu.edu From: David Clark Subject: Re: Big-time stopping problems!! To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 04:03 PM 1/25/97 -0800, Gregg wrote: >The second thing that needs to happen is that someone (someone who knows >what they're doing, like an MSF instructor) reviews your braking >procedures. I'm fearful that the problem has more to do with your use >(or misuse) of the rear brake than you may realize. Very good suggestion. >I'm not trying to rain on your parade, but if you're at the point in >your riding experience when you are still thinking-through these steps >in a very conscious way, and consciously making sure that you're in the >proper position, etc., then there's a good chance that you're a little >too up-tight, so to speak, and that you need a bit more practice and >that the logistics of motorcycling need to become somewhat more >second-nature to you before you tackle a bike like the PC800. (And >it'll save you money in fiberglass, if nothing else!) Few things in >life require quite as much sheer second-nature, fluid coordination of >proper, simultaneous body movements as (safe) motorcycling does. It's >not that you're too much of a green-horn or that you shouldn't have >purchased the PC800. I'm not saying that. In fact, I'm quite sure that >you're going to be a terrific rider and that you'll end-up loving that >machine. But I would counsel that you've got to loosen-up and learn to >follow your instincts a bit and that you need A LOT MORE PRACTICE (and >confidence). And, as I wrote earlier, you probably should have someone >who really knows what they're doing review your riding and braking >procedure. Riding a motorcycle is 90% mental. Remember 'the more you know the better it gets'. PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE. Even MSF instructors practice. If there is some aspect you are having trouble with (braking, u-turns, etc.) then go out to parking lot and practice the procedure until it becomes second nature. And just because you had a MSF class, does not mean you can not take it again. The ERC after you have ridden for at least 6 months, or take the RSS again. It costs, but so do accidents. > >For starters, stop listening to that particular salesman. You took the >MSF course, which means you know someone who's qualified to assess your >technique. Either go talk to him or her or, since there's a possibility >that the problem is that he or she taught you something wrong, talk to a >different MSF instructor about it. Please only talk to your salesman >when you need to buy a bike (and even then, watch out!). One's >employment at a motorcycle dealership does not automatically evidence >one's expertise in motorcycling. Talk to someone who has actually >demonstrated minimal expertise by doing something objectively >observable... someone like an MSF course instructor who has taken the >time and trouble to get training. Right to the point. > >And, please, when it DOES finally stop raining, take the bike STRAIGHT >TO THE DEALER. Please don't get injured while you're asking knucklheads >like us or the "experienced riders at work" what the problem could be. >This is too important. Get the bike in, get it looked-over, make them >check and double-check, and then make sure your procedures are sound. >Then practice, practice, practice. (And as you're practicing, think >about poor folks like us up here in Minnesota who won't be riding again >'til late April or early May! I'd give anything right now for the >"rain" problem you've got!) > >Good luck and ride safely! > >Gregg DesElms >deselms@royal.net > Thank you for the response I was trying to put together. David Clark Logan, UT 27 Jan 1997 10:05:59 -0600 (MDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 10:05:59 -0600 (MDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by cc.usu.edu From: David Clark Subject: Re: tire experiment To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Dave, I am surprised they said that. >well..in the next few weeks I'll be trying a little experiment. I just >happened by Seattle Cycle Center today and the Dunlop rep was there! >After discussing my riding style and usage, they've suggested putting a >177 on the front, and a 491 on the rear ($240 for the pair, fully >installed). > > Of course, he said that a matching pair of 177's would be just fine >and a tad less $$$, but the 491 is a little better wet pavement tire and >a stronger compound..supposedly the recommended replacement tires for >Goldwings... > > >Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, AKC >http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross I have tried that procedure on my GL 1500 (they come stock with K177). You will definitely notice a difference. The tires have different traction and wear characteristics and according to what I have heard on the goldwing discussion list from people who have talked to Dunlop, the company does not recommend mixing them on goldwings. I did not like how the bike handled when I had the different tires on, but I ride aggressively and use my bike for demos when I am teaching ERC classes. David Clark Logan, UT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BOB_PASSELL@HP-USA-om1.om.hp.com Date: Mon, 27 Jan 97 12:28:12 -0500 Subject: New Member To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I lurked for a while before I bought my bike, since I knew the guy who was selling it (since he was a baby!) and wanted to see if it was worth what he was asking (like taking candy from a baby!) ;-> Suffice it to say its allright, I had buyer's remorse for a while, but that disappeared after the paperwork faded into memory and I could take to the road now & then. Name: Bob Passell Location: Marietta GA Email: bob_passell@hp.com PC Model year (if you have one): 1994 Bought Used/New: Used Modifications made to bike: None (thinking about that Rifle windscreen) Best Regards, Bob Passell ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 11:40:50 -0800 From: Robert Steve Delorey To: CHRISTOPHER M KLASS CC: Dave Gross , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: tire experiment CHRISTOPHER M KLASS wrote: > > > <177 on the front, and a 491 on the rear ($240 for the pair, fully > > < Of course, he said that a matching pair of 177's would be just fine > > <30 days or 1000 miles for a full refund/exchange..now THAT"S service :>) > > > Dave, > > So does that mean that it is ok to use two different models of the same brand? I am > thinking of only replacing my rear 1st as i have quite a bit of tread left on the > front. I have K-555s now. Would I be able to run a 555 in the front and a 177 in > the rear? What about a 491 in the rear? I don't need a rain tire, but if it handles > and has some milage to it. > > Chris Klass > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu.I ran a 555 on front and a 177 on the rear for about 3k miles. Now have 177's front and rear. The main thing to watch is difference in the contour of the tires. I'm not sure about 491/177 combination. I used 491's on my wing and they're great tires but I'm not sure how their contour compares to that of the 177, I guess Dunlop should know. Steve DeLorey ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 14:32:21 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: Carb Sync To: garyklim@snet.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu I have been looking at the manual for a crab sync and it looks pretty easy. And I think it should be done far more often then I have bee, which is not! I have 11,000 miles and I can really feel the difference. The dealer wants 80- 90 buck to do it. So where do I get this carb sync apuratus? And where can I get it for the least amount of $? Chris Klass by sass165.sandia.gov (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA00598 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 13:03:34 -0700 (MST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 13:02:36 -0700 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Crabs & bees Chris wants to sync his crabs and have bees? It's been a long, cruel winter, hasn't it? Bob C. NM (land of sunshine & mud) 27 Jan 1997 14:01:45 -0600 (MDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 14:01:45 -0600 (MDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by cc.usu.edu From: David Clark Subject: Re: tire experiment To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Chris wrote: > >I was the one thinking about running 555s on the front, and 177s on the back >until the front wears down a bit. Is this really a good idea? People have >talked about the different profiles the two tires have. I use the bike for >comuting, touring, and errands. But every once in a while I do get agressive. >I have worn down the bolts under the foot pegs. What do you think? I know in >a perfect situation I should replace them both, but that would be throuwing >away a very good front tire. > > >Chris Klass >95 PC 800 > The people at Dunlop should be able to answer your question. That is why I was suprised they said you could run a 177 on the front and a 491 on the rear. All I have ever heard is you should not mix your tires and and I am assuming different model numbers since Dunlop says they have different handling characterists. When I ran a 177 on the front and 491 on the back I could definitely tell the difference in handling compared to 177s or 491s all the way around. There is a noticable difference between the 177s and 491s on Goldwings, which is why most people replace the stock 177s with 491s. But remember, this is just my opinion. David Clark Logan, UT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 16:15:27 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: Nice! To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > THIS IS A MESSAGE IN 'MIME' FORMAT. Your mail reader may not support MIME. > Some parts of this will be readable as plain text. > To see the rest, you may need to upgrade your mail reader. Chris wants to sync his crabs and have bees? It's been a long, cruel winter, hasn't it? Bob C. NM (land of sunshine & mud) Bob, Can you feel my pain? I need warmth, and I need it now! I am way too ready for Spring. Spent last night watching SpeedVision avter the game. Man, I love the MC programs! Chris Klass 95 PC 800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 17:01:01 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: Dunlap Specs To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu The Dunlap Web page shows the following tires: radial Sport/High Performance Dunlop D364 Sportmax II D204 GP Sportmax II D204 ZR Sport/Touring Dunlop D205 O.E. Replacement Dunlop D202 front and rear Dunlop K105F front Dunlop K455 front and rear Dunlop K510 front and rear Dunlop K700S rear Dunlop K701F front Dunlop K855 rear bias Sport/Touring K591 Elite SP D401 Elite S/T Touring 491 Elite II D402 Touring Elite Dunlop K177 O.E. Replacement Dunlop D103 front Dunlop F11 front Dunlop F20 front Dunlop F24 front Dunlop K127 rear Dunlop K205 front and rear Dunlop K505 front and rear Dunlop K525 rear Dunlop K530 front and rear Dunlop K555 rear Dunlop K627 rear Notice that there is no listing for the 555 front. Nor any listing for the 461. Why? You can check them out at http://www.dunloptire.com/cycle/tires/street.html The 555s don't look very agressive. But then again I guess I need more that 3000 miles from a tire. Chris Klass 95 PC 800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 17:27:42 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: steven@capital.net (Dave Steven) Subject: Tail lite lens needed. HELP I cracked the amber (left) tail lite/turn signal assy while backing my '90 PC out of a crowded garage. Can anyone help me with the part# for just the lens. The dealer wants to sell me the whole assy. for $196. Is that RobbRacer guy still around? Anybody else have this situation happen? I'd appreciate it. Please reply directly rather than post to the group. Or if you're not to far away call. Dave Steven 518.392.7234 NY _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ "To those who understand, no explanation is necessary... To those who do not understand, no explanation is possible." David Steven D. Steven Co. 52 Payn Avenue Chatham, NY 12037-1427 Voice & Fax (518) 392-7234 If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you. _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 17:39:06 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: CHRISTOPHER M KLASS CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Carb Sync CHRISTOPHER M KLASS wrote: > So where do I get this carb sync apuratus? And where can I get it for the > least amount of $? I purchased my through Dennis Kirk, Part# 28-274 @$67.99 (800)328-9280. If you search the archives you will find a post of mine which describes in extreme detail the procedure for carb sync. The manual isn't bad, but there are some details/hints which you will find useful in addition to the factory instructions. (BTW, that post appears somewhere between June and September) gk ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 18:02:51 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Dave Steven CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Tail lite lens needed. HELP Dave Steven wrote: > > I cracked the amber (left) tail lite/turn signal assy while backing my '90 > PC out of a crowded garage. I figure I'll post this to the group as well just as an FYI service. You can indeed order just the amber turn signal lens: Part Number: 33660-MR5-672 Honda Code: 3392768 If you have cracked any of the red tail light lens, however, it must be ordered as an entire assembly. It sounds as though this is what you were quoted for. ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Crabs & bees From: rogerprince@juno.com (Roger F Prince) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 18:50:07 EST On Mon, 27 Jan 1997 13:02:36 -0700 rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) writes: >Chris wants to sync his crabs and have bees? It's been a >long, cruel winter, hasn't it? > You damned sure don't want those out of sync. Just think about what could happen! Roger pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 18:55:06 -0500 (EST) pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 18:53:48 -0500 (EST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 16:55:03 +0000 From: Michael D Turley Subject: Re: Re: Carb Sync To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu <32ED2E8A.6B81@snet.net> Gary E. Klim wrote: > > CHRISTOPHER M KLASS wrote: > > > So where do I get this carb sync apuratus? And where can I get it for the > > least amount of $? > > I purchased my through Dennis Kirk, Part# 28-274 @$67.99 (800)328-9280. > > If you search the archives you will find a post of mine which describes > in extreme detail the procedure for carb sync. The manual isn't bad, but > there are some details/hints which you will find useful in addition to > the factory instructions. > (BTW, that post appears somewhere between June and September) > > gk ADDENUM: I have the Dennis Kirk Mecury type apparatus. I use it on both my Gold Wing and the Pacific Coast. The Pacific Coast I have never adj. after 16k miles. Always checks perfect 3 times MT^MT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'Gary E. Klim'" , "'Dave Steven'" Cc: "'PC-800 E-Mail Group'" Subject: RE: Tail lite lens needed. HELP Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 16:02:08 -0800 I've ordered used parts with great success and saved money doing it. I called a used MC parts place after seeing ad's in the back of MC magazines. Last place I used was call "Mike's Used MC Parts" or something like that. They were located in Oregon. Sorry I don't have any phone numbers handy. I got a whole tail light assembly for $50 to replace some parts Dave Gross and I needed. As you can see, a much lower price than new. -bryceu -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Gary E. Klim [SMTP:garyklim@snet.net] Sent: Monday, January 27, 1997 3:03 PM To: Dave Steven Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Tail lite lens needed. HELP Dave Steven wrote: > > I cracked the amber (left) tail lite/turn signal assy while backing my '90 > PC out of a crowded garage. I figure I'll post this to the group as well just as an FYI service. You can indeed order just the amber turn signal lens: Part Number: 33660-MR5-672 Honda Code: 3392768 If you have cracked any of the red tail light lens, however, it must be ordered as an entire assembly. It sounds as though this is what you were quoted for. ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'cklass@attmail.com'" , "'garyklim@snet.net'" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Carb Sync Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 16:08:45 -0800 I ordered a carb-synch tool for $30 from Dennis Kirk a couple years back. Simple device with 4 glass tubes, 4 3' lengths of vinyl hose, a small vial of mercury, and a graduated measuring scale. They list two models and I chose the cheaper one. No special hookups needed as the PC800 already has the fittings installed to connect the vinyl hoses. I try to check and adjust the carbs every 8000 miles. --bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 27 Jan 97 17:06:18 PST From: "Wanda Bailie" To: garyklim@snet.net, steven@capital.net, Bryce Ulrich Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: Tail lite lens needed. HELP Mike's Cycle Parts @ 1-800-327-7304 in Salem Oregon. Just happened to have my phone book handy. Wanda Bailie '95 PC800 "Black Beauty" ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: RE: Tail lite lens needed. HELP Author: Bryce Ulrich at INTERNET-KENTROX Date: 1/27/97 4:35 PM I've ordered used parts with great success and saved money doing it. I called a used MC parts place after seeing ad's in the back of MC magazines. Last place I used was call "Mike's Used MC Parts" or something like that. They were located in Oregon. Sorry I don't have any phone numbers handy. I got a whole tail light assembly for $50 to replace some parts Dave Gross and I needed. As you can see, a much lower price than new. -bryceu -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Gary E. Klim [SMTP:garyklim@snet.net] Sent: Monday, January 27, 1997 3:03 PM To: Dave Steven Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Tail lite lens needed. HELP Dave Steven wrote: > > I cracked the amber (left) tail lite/turn signal assy while backing my '90 > PC out of a crowded garage. I figure I'll post this to the group as well just as an FYI service. You can indeed order just the amber turn signal lens: Part Number: 33660-MR5-672 Honda Code: 3392768 If you have cracked any of the red tail light lens, however, it must be ordered as an entire assembly. It sounds as though this is what you were quoted for. ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 19:29:40 -0800 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: tire experiment <<<>>>> dave..the guy said they didn't make a 491 to fit the front of the PC...What were the differences in handling characteristics? Why did you like the 491's better? -- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, AKC http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 27 Jan 97 23:26:22 EST From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: PC owners meeting This message was sent to one subscriber on our list, but I am sending it to everyone for reaction and comment...Dana Hi, Dave! I have been reading your messages concerning a Wisconsin PC ride in late June. STAR '97, the 15th national rally of the Honda Sport Touring Association, will be held June 22-25 at Fountainhead Resort on Lake Eufaula, Oklahoma. Why not make this event? We're going to have a session for PC owners, and I have been asked to head it up. We have over 100 PC owners in the HSTA at present. HSTA President Donald "Moose" Parish sent this message to the VFR list, but it applies to PC owners as well. Let's have a meeting of Pacific Coast owners at STAR '97! We've done it at previous STAR annual meetings, and 1997...our fifteenth year...should prove to be a great event! Let's put it on our riding schedules for next year! ************************************************** DANA L. SAWYER Founder, Executive Committee Member and South Carolina State Director Honda Sport Touring Association HSTA Member #0001SU HRCA Member #700266 AMA (Life) Member # 180901 71430.340@CompuServe.com 1990 Honda Pacific Coast PC800 "Life is short...I think I'll go riding!" ************************************************* Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind most! ************************************************** > To all VFR riders and "listers", > It has come to my attention that you folks are looking for a great place to > meet and kick tires in 1997. If you'd like to do some serious sport touring and > at the same time meet some like minded motorcyclist, the HSTA will be > celebrating it's 15th Anniversary in 1997, at Lake Eufaula, OK. I can tell you > that we are pulling out all the stops to make this STAR (Sport Touring > Association Rendezvous) as good as we know how. Right now we have Ed Youngblood > of the AMA as our keynote speaker. Mike Kneebone, of the Ironbutt fame, will > have an active part in the rally. > We also plan to raffle off a brand new Honda VTR 1000 > this year. Last year we raffled off a brand new VFR and in 1995 we had a ST1100 > to be given to the lucky winner. STAR 97 will be held at Fountainhead Resort, in > Checotah, OK. This is right on Lake Eufaula, in east central OK., and promises to be > a great place to get out and stretch the legs on those PC's. The famous Talamina > Drive is only 70 miles away. > You must be a member of the HSTA to attend STAR. Membership fees are $25.00 per > year. The registration fee for the rally will be $35.00 The dates are > 6/22-25/97. Rooms will run under $60.00 per night and camping will be available > right on the Fountainhead grounds. Price to be determined, but almost > positively will be under $10.00 per person. > We will have meeting rooms available for VFR, ST, PC riders and any other group > that decides to get together. Included in the registration is the Welcoming Meeting/ > Wienie Roast on Sunday evening all of the maps and route guides for the week and > the Wednesday night banquet meal. We will also have numerous door prizes and > we're working on getting some demo rides now, all included in the price. Oh, yea, the tire > kickin' in the parking lot each night is also included. > In closing, let me say that all of you that decide to give us a try will find that we're your > kind of motorcyclist. I'd be more than happy to field any other questions. You can get apps by > dropping Dana Sawyer or me a note or by visiting our Home Page at > http://members.aol.com/hstawww/ and download an application from there. > Moose > President, HSTA > 317-936-5818 > CServe - 73523.3636 > work e-mail dparish@randomhouse.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mskrocki@meldrum.com Date: Tue, 28 Jan 97 10:31:48 est To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: For Your Consideration... Hi all, I'm looking for some opinions, information and maybe personal experiences. I'm currently considering purchasing a bike (my wife doesn't want to share our/ her '89 pc) so my wife and I can ride together. Although I would dearly love another pc, my budget just doesn't allow for that. I've been hunting around for awhile (special thanks to Steve Delorey who personally inspected two BMW R65 in St. Louis, MO, that I was considering) locally and through the internet. Locally, I've found: 1985 black Honda Shadow 700. It is all stock and has a little over 6600 miles and newer rubber. The asking price is $2000. It looks in really good shape and I'm going back Thursday 1/30 for a second look. 1985 black & silver Honda V65 Sabre. It is all stock and has a little over 24k newer rubber and a windshield. The asking price is $1998. I will be seeing this bike for the first time on Wednesday 1/29. If any of you have experience with either of these bikes or know of any known quirks (like the pc's '89 trunk wear through problem) and/or things to look for on these particular models, it would be greatly appreciated. Enjoy the ride. Mark Skrocki Sandra & Mark Skrocki Shaker Hts., OH mskrocki@meldrum.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 11:26:41 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: Re: For Your Consideration... To: mskrocki@meldrum.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Mark, I have heard that both the Shadow and the V65 have long lasting engines. I would go for the V65 as it has a VERY strong engine. I also think that it has a good following so aftermarket stuff is pleatifull. Maintanance, however might be much greater on the v4 due to the more complex nature. I would check to see what the velve train is like, and the service interval. I wonder if they are hydrolic like the PC. Did I mention the engine is STRONG? :-) MCN published a used price guide a few months ago. If you want it send me a fax number and I will send it to you. There is some talk about the Sabre here: http://www.longriders.com/wwwboard/wwwboard.html Some here: http://mcneil.sas.upenn.edu/~awhite/gif/sabre/sabre.html And here: http://www.cyberspc.mb.ca/~rsunley/ Hope this helps! Chris Klass 95 PC 800 P.S. Thank God for ISDN lines! 28 Jan 1997 09:31:15 -0600 (MDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 09:31:15 -0600 (MDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by cc.usu.edu From: David Clark Subject: Re: tire experiment To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 07:29 PM 1/27/97 -0800, you wrote: ><<<could definitely tell the difference in handling compared to 177s or >491s >all the way around. >>>>> > > >dave..the guy said they didn't make a 491 to fit the front of the >PC...What were the differences in handling characteristics? Why did you >like the 491's better? >-- > >Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, AKC >http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross Dave, I was refering to my goldwing. The 491s have a more aggressive tire pattern for more water displacement and with this tire pattern there appeared to be more traction available, IMO. Wearability seemed about the same. I think what I would do is talk to another representative of Dunlop. Sort of make sure what the first person said is true (get a second opinion) and let the rest of us know the results. David Clark Logan, UT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: aruuk@erols.com Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 11:57:53 -0500 To: mskrocki@meldrum.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: For Your Consideration... >Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 11:53:31 >To: mskrocki@meldrum.com >From: aruuk@erols.com >Subject: Re: For Your Consideration... > >At 10:31 AM 1/28/97 est, you wrote: >>Hi all, I'm looking for some opinions, information and maybe personal >>experiences. >> >>I'm currently considering purchasing a bike (my wife doesn't want to share our/ >>her '89 pc) so my wife and I can ride together. Although I would dearly love >>another pc, my budget just doesn't allow for that. > >If you like the way the PC feels, handles, stops, protects the rider,etc then all three choices you've mentioned are bad. > >R65 -way way too small and buzzy > >700 shadow- doesn't handle, aftermarket suspension help does not help > >v65- think freight train, think top heavy freight train, plus notorious top end engine problems > >Unfortunately, $2k doesn't buy much bike. Obviously, $4k will get you another PC. My suggestions at the $2.5 mark are as follows: > >CRUISER >- virago 700,750 or 1100. Handles better than the comp and higher mileage or faded paint drives the price down into affordable >- vulcan 750. ditto the virago plus these were never big showroom hits > >STANDARD >- high mileage bmw r80rt. much smoother than the r100. best fairing ever made >- high mileage bmw k75, barely broken in at 50k miles if maintained well >- honda nighthawk 750, weather damage(sun,rain=rust,fade)seriously reduces the price on these. engine is bullet proof. never popular in showroom, a bunch sold new at $4500 that are now 3 years old. Underrated bike. > >PECULIAR >- yamaha TDM850- bad showroom karma, terrific enthusiast piece. rare but sometimes very cheap >- honda transalp. light,nimble, surprisingly good on highway, usually cheap > >Obviously, I'm way too opinionated but can't help myself. By the way I've owned all of these. >Buying a used bike is a risky venture but there are lots of bargains out there, especially now. > 28 Jan 1997 12:18:32 -0500 (EST) 28 Jan 1997 12:18:18 -0500 (EST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 10:18:27 +0000 From: Michael D Turley Subject: Re: For Your Consideration... To: mskrocki@meldrum.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu mskrocki@meldrum.com wrote: > > Hi all, I'm looking for some opinions, information and maybe personal > experiences. > > I'm currently considering purchasing a bike (my wife doesn't want to share our/ > her '89 pc) so my wife and I can ride together. Although I would dearly love > another pc, my budget just doesn't allow for that. > > I've been hunting around for awhile (special thanks to Steve Delorey who > personally inspected two BMW R65 in St. Louis, MO, that I was considering) > locally and through the internet. > > Locally, I've found: > > 1985 black Honda Shadow 700. It is all stock and has a little over 6600 miles > and newer rubber. The asking price is $2000. It looks in really good shape and > I'm going back Thursday 1/30 for a second look. > > 1985 black & silver Honda V65 Sabre. It is all stock and has a little over 24k > newer rubber and a windshield. The asking price is $1998. I will be seeing this > bike for the first time on Wednesday 1/29. > > If any of you have experience with either of these bikes or know of any known > quirks (like the pc's '89 trunk wear through problem) and/or things to look for > on these particular models, it would be greatly appreciated. > > Enjoy the ride. > > Mark Skrocki > > Sandra & Mark Skrocki > Shaker Hts., OH > mskrocki@meldrum.com > I have a 89 PC800 I am willing to let go for $3000 It has 14k, Tall Honda shield, Backrest and new front tire 1-406-656-8718 1-406-698-8718 Mike in Montana Would deliver to St. Louis when weather breaks (The bike is in Torrance CA now) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 11:27:04 -0600 From: Keith W Rogers To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: from Newsgroup: austin.forsale - 89 Honda Pacific Coast 800 for sale FROM: jfh@tab.com (Julie Haugh) SUBJECT: 89 Honda Pacific Coast 800 for sale DATE: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 08:11:41 -0600 ORGANIZATION: Girls "R" Good 1989 Honda Pacific Coast 800 motorcycle with large size windscreen and backrest. Asking $2,500. Must sell =immediately=, so that price is very negotiable. The only maintenance item it currently needs is having the seat re-stitched in places. Because of the need to sell it before 1/30 I will not have the time to have that repaired. It had been garage stored for a number of years, but has been out in the open for the past year. This motorcycle has an 800cc (approx.) V-twin engine and gets about 40MPG in around-town driving. I purchased it new in early '91 and it has less than 10,000 miles. The bike is fully enclosed and has a clam shell like trunk which will hold two motorcycle helmets or several bags of groceries. It is an excellent bike for commuting or highway cruising. It is very comfortable to ride on long trips and with the v-twin engine it is tame enough to drive around town. This is not a "sport" or "racing" bike -- it is much more like the Honda Goldwing and similar crusing bikes. The "blue book" price on this bike was $3,400 retail and $2,600 wholesale the last time I looked, which was about 4 months ago. No reasonable offer will be refused and the closer it gets to 1/30 the more willing I will be to negotiate. -- Julianne Frances Haugh Those who do not understand Unix are mailto:jfh@tab.com condemned to reinvent it, poorly. http://www.tab.com/~jfh -- Henry Spencer -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet -- Keith W Rogers Austin, Texas `89 PC800, 35K miles Tue, 28 Jan 1997 12:46:50 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 12:36:49 -0500 From: fialdj@i2020.net (David Fial) To: rogersk@eden.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: from Newsgroup: austin.forsale - 89 Honda Pacific Coast 800 for sale Where is this bike? Keith W Rogers wrote: > > FROM: jfh@tab.com (Julie Haugh) > SUBJECT: 89 Honda Pacific Coast 800 for sale > DATE: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 08:11:41 -0600 > ORGANIZATION: Girls "R" Good > > 1989 Honda Pacific Coast 800 motorcycle with large size windscreen > and backrest. > > Asking $2,500. Must sell =immediately=, so that price is very > negotiable. The only maintenance item it currently needs is having > the seat re-stitched in places. Because of the need to sell it > before 1/30 I will not have the time to have that repaired. It had > been garage stored for a number of years, but has been out in the > open for the past year. > > This motorcycle has an 800cc (approx.) V-twin engine and gets about > 40MPG in around-town driving. I purchased it new in early '91 and > it has less than 10,000 miles. The bike is fully enclosed and has > a clam shell like trunk which will hold two motorcycle helmets or > several bags of groceries. It is an excellent bike for commuting > or highway cruising. It is very comfortable to ride on long trips > and with the v-twin engine it is tame enough to drive around town. > This is not a "sport" or "racing" bike -- it is much more like the > Honda Goldwing and similar crusing bikes. > > The "blue book" price on this bike was $3,400 retail and $2,600 > wholesale the last time I looked, which was about 4 months ago. No > reasonable offer will be refused and the closer it gets to 1/30 the > more willing I will be to negotiate. > -- > Julianne Frances Haugh Those who do not understand Unix > are > mailto:jfh@tab.com condemned to reinvent it, > poorly. > http://www.tab.com/~jfh -- Henry Spencer > > -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet > > -- > Keith W Rogers > Austin, Texas > `89 PC800, 35K miles > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- David J. Fial (fialdj@i2020.net) Telecommunication Engineer GO Sabres!!! Give Blood, Play Hockey! '?? PC800 - (not yet)! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: from Newsgroup: austin.forsale - 89 Honda Pacific Coast 800 for sale From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 28 Jan 1997 12:27:35 -0600 Lines: 11 >>>>> "DF" == David Fial writes: DF> Where is this bike? I think that's "Austin" as in Austin, Tx. Please don't quote the entire message to add a single line. If people persist in doing so I will configure the list server to ignore such messages. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 12:39:36 -0600 From: Keith W Rogers To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: from Newsgroup: austin.forsale - 89 Honda Pacific Coast 800 for sale > FROM: jfh@tab.com (Julie Haugh) > SUBJECT: 89 Honda Pacific Coast 800 for sale I forwarded the article from austin.forsale. Try writing the seller, jfh@tab.com, to get answers to your questions. Thank you so much, -- Keith W Rogers Austin, Texas `89 PC800, 35K miles ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Smcavin@aol.com by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA09359 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 14:40:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 14:40:48 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Super cross/Arena Cross Changing the subject for a moment....... I checked out "Super Cross" on ESPN2 over the weekend. I'd like to see it live. Anyone know the location or an event near the Chicago, or greater mid-western area? Might make a nice ride for a week-end or even day trip. Bart ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 14:16:00 +0000 From: Gary Wilson To: pacific coast list Subject: Re: For Your Consideration... my riding buddy has a sabre and he loves it. of course, he's seem my pc and he likes it too. but the sabre does have more power. gary. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: NVXL62A@prodigy.com ( GORDON FRANK HSTA7186RG) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 16:03:04, -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Strong Wind Gusts The wind has been gusting ferociously at times in this mild winter in Atlanta (so far). The PC has handled well but I'd appreciate any tips that you can pass along to assist my driving skills. The wind was so bad going thru the Lake Lanier area, that a tree was blown over in front of me, that convinced me to get off the road for a while. Also the truckers gave absolutely NO lea way in their tailgating, despite the obvious effects of the strong wind gusts on the PC. Thanks for your help. ____ Gordon Frank NVXL62A@Prodigy.Com '96 PC800 Atlanta, Georgia ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'NVXL62A@prodigy.com'" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Strong Wind Gusts Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 14:41:56 -0800 In my experience I find relaxing really helps. Your muscles in your hands, arms, shoulders, and thighs will all tense up naturally after the first couple of gusts nock you around. You'll exhaust yourself riding with white knuckles. Tell yourself to say loose and move your shoulders around. Be ready to roll with the next guest and correct the steering once necessary. Don't fight it too hard. Use your body to direct the bike and countersteer when necessary. Don't make your arms fight the wind 'cause you'll lose. The worst wind IMHO is over your shoulder from the rear. It grabs the windscreen and can really throw you around. From the front and sides aren't too bad if you just remember to relax. Oh yea, I almost forgot. Watch your surroundings for indications that a bug gust is coming. Sudden tree movements, water/wave ripples, the car in front of you suddenly moving, etc all give an indication something's about to hit you. Duck your head, hold on, and ride it out. But you know, if everyone is pulling off the road, maybe you should too. Good luck! -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 20:34:09 -0600 From: Wells Family To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: pc800 modifications Hi Folks: Just a general inquire,kind of curious as to some of your personal favorite modifications.I purchased a new 95 pc last year and have not had a lot of contact with other pc owners till I bought the computer.Would like to know some modifications that are worth while and some that are a waste of time.Thanks and see you down the road,but not tonight... -15 degrees Tom Wells Wisconsin 1995 PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PILEWIS1@CONCENTRIC.NET Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 19:03:05 -0800 To: Wells Family CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: pc800 modifications Wells Family wrote: > > Hi Folks: > Just a general inquire,kind of curious as to some of your > personal favorite modifications.I purchased a new 95 pc last year and > have not had a lot of contact with other pc owners till I bought the > computer.Would like to know some modifications that are worth while and > some that are a waste of time. Well, Tom, check out "http://www.concentric.net/~Johanlai/pcrsc/" and you'll some of the mods that we've put on our bikes. I'll let you decide which are useful and which are just for fun!! :) (Most of mine are just for fun! ;) ) Phil Lewis So. Cal. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Estes, Cory S" To: "'NVXL62A@prodigy.com'" , "'PC800 List'" Subject: RE: Strong Wind Gusts Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:19:47 -0500 Gordon, Sometime when you get a minute, write and ask Juan what he thinks about the winds in Alberta and other parts of Canada! Last July 4th we both had our PC's going sideways! IT WASN'T MUCH FUN! Later Cory S. Estes* '89 Honda Pacific Coast (Millennium Turtle) *Motorcycle Adventurist '90 Honda GB-500 *Observer of Humanity '97 Chevy S-10 Pick Up *Lover of Life > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Estes, Cory S" To: "'Wells Family'" , "'PC800 List'" Subject: RE: pc800 modifications Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:23:23 -0500 Tom wrote: >Would like to know some modifications that are worth while and >some that are a waste of time.Thanks and see you down the road,but not >tonight... -15 degrees Sure glad I did the Progressive Suspension fork spring thing. The Hondaline passenger backrest is pretty nice, too. Rarely carry any passengers, but still nice. Later Cory S. Estes* '89 Honda Pacific Coast (Millennium Turtle) *Motorcycle Adventurist '90 Honda GB-500 *Observer of Humanity '97 Chevy S-10 Pick Up *Lover of Life > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 08:36:46 +0000 From: Gary Wilson To: pacific coast list Subject: modifications i don't remember if my mail got through so here goes again: has anyone done any modifications to the trunk as in removed it and replaced it with a fender/tail light configuration? gary. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA18855 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 10:28:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 10:28:33 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Strong Wind Gusts Hi Gordon: If the trees are blowing down, your technique (i.e. parking it) is simply the best I can think of. The PC does do well in crosswinds (I'm curious how the '97 will do with the redesigned front fender), but you still have to help it with steering pressure on the upwind hand grip if the wind is really strong. This is also one of those times when riding in the center of the lane may be a good idea. It will give you a few feet of cushion/recovery space if you get surprised by a really big gust. There is not much to be done about the wake turbulence from other vehicles except relax and let the bike bounce around a bit. It isn't comfortable (like riding on grooved pavement), but it isn't really likely to cause a serious control problem (assuming a bike with no mechanical defects). If traffic will permit, you can increase your following distance to reduce the intensity. When passing or being passed by large trucks, moving to the far side of the lane helps a lot. I'm not sure if all of this is the sort of information you asked about. If it is too basic, I apologize. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 10:27:40 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: RE: Strong Wind Gusts To: EstesCS@88ABW.WPAFB.AF.MIL (Estes, Cory S), pc800@hpc.uh.edu > THIS IS A MESSAGE IN 'MIME' FORMAT. Your mail reader may not support MIME. > Some parts of this will be readable as plain text. > To see the rest, you may need to upgrade your mail reader. Gordon, Sometime when you get a minute, write and ask Juan what he thinks about the winds in Alberta and other parts of Canada! Last July 4th we both had our PC's going sideways! IT WASN'T MUCH FUN! Later Try 20-25 mph constant winds! Living in Laramie, WY at 7500 feet was murder on the highway. Riding sidways was just the norm. Chris Klass 95 PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Estes, Cory S" To: "'JTSMCRIDER@aol.com'" , "'PC800 List'" Subject: RE: Strong Wind Gusts Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 11:58:06 -0500 JT wrote: >If the trees are blowing down, your technique (i.e. parking it) is simply the >best I can think of. > >The PC does do well in crosswinds........This is also one of those times when >riding in the center of the lane may be a good idea. It will give you a few >feet of cushion/recovery space if you get surprised by a really big gust. I'm not throwing stones here, but just wanted to add my $0.02 worth. On 4 July, Juan and I found ourselves in the middle of the most incredible weather from near Saskatoon. It was raining and blowing and we'd correct to the right, get blown to the left 20 feet or more, steer to the right, get blown to the left, etc, etc. Juan discovered that the best place to ride was on the right berm. That was "closest" to the wind, but more importantly, the pavement there hadn't been worn smooth by the traffic and had some "bite" while the worm pavement allowed us to be blown sideways! Just a for what it's worth. Cory S. Estes* '89 Honda Pacific Coast (Millennium Turtle) *Motorcycle Adventurist '90 Honda GB-500 *Observer of Humanity '97 Chevy S-10 Pick Up *Lover of Life > > 29 Jan 1997 10:44:27 -0600 (MDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 10:44:27 -0600 (MDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by cc.usu.edu From: David Clark Subject: RE: Strong Wind Gusts To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Chris is right. > >Try 20-25 mph constant winds! Living in Laramie, WY at 7500 feet was murder on >the highway. Riding sidways was just the norm. > Now try riding 500 miles across Wyoming with a constant 30-60 mph cross wind. Although we were on a goldwing, it still moved across lanes. Coming back, throttle wide open and could barely pull 60 mph and gas mileage was the pits. Passed a Yamaha Virago 920 who was having a hard time holding 50 mph. As mentioned earlier, the important thing to remember is relax and don't fight the wind. If you get tired or do not feel comfortable riding in the wind, do what the truckers do, get a room somewhere. David Clark Logan, UT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 13:26:13 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: Winds To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > THIS IS A MESSAGE IN 'MIME' FORMAT. Your mail reader may not support MIME. > Some parts of this will be readable as plain text. > To see the rest, you may need to upgrade your mail reader. Now try riding 500 miles across Wyoming with a constant 30-60 mph cross wind. Although we were on a goldwing, it still moved across lanes. Coming back, throttle wide open and could barely pull 60 mph and gas mileage was the pits. Passed a Yamaha Virago 920 who was having a hard time holding 50 mph. As mentioned earlier, the important thing to remember is relax and don't fight the wind. If you get tired or do not feel comfortable riding in the wind, do what the truckers do, get a room somewhere. David Clark Logan, UT Once driving from Laramie to Salt Lake I could barely maintain 60 MPH in my Winstar, and got 11 mpg! On the way back I was doing 85 and got 21 mpg! Chris for ; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 20:19:39 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: Little Help? Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 14:23:41 -0000 From: Bernard Kohler To: I just ordered a GIVI Topcase and a Back Rest. I got tired of = rolling everything for 5 day trip. My wife and I want to head for = the West Coast when the snow goes, and we will need the extra packing = room. GIVI said it will be here by Friday. I don=B9t know if I = should attempt to install it, I am a mechanical idiot, or have my = dealer do it. Any suggestions or any previous experiences? Does = anyone know if these cases effect the handling of the PC? Bernie ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 14:53:15 -0600 (CST) Wed, 29 Jan 1997 15:52:31 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: L W Fine Subject: PC 800 FOR SALE: 1994 black beauty 2600 miles Always garaged Rifle windshield Extra gauges (voltmeter and battery check gauges) Bike cover Custom trailer hitch with small trailer (perfect for camping items / total weight about 200 lbs full) Bike in perfect condition, absolutely no scratches No time to ride and enjoy Price: $6,000 Savannah, Georgia area reply by e-mail please at this time ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Abbey Perez" To: Cc: Subject: pc800 buyer Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 18:52:14 -0600 i am very interested in buying your 1994 PC800. i live in the chicago area, i would love to make a trip down to your area and pickup the cycle. could you please email me your telephone number so we could talk further on the purchase. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 20:43:34 -0500 From: Roger Prince To: PC800 Mail List Cc: HSTA Subject: For Sale FOR SALE: PC800 Hondaline backrest. Excellent condition. Fits and color matches "89, '90, '94, '95. Includes all necessary hardware and mounting instructions. Removed from '95PC to make room for Givi rack/box. $100 obo plus $10 shipping. Roger Prince email: roger@etgn14.webo.dg.com Tel: 508 528-5758 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 22:02:43 -0800 From: greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers ) Subject: Wearing down the pegs To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I saw a reference to a message wherein Chris Klass said he had worn down the bolts under the footpegs? I'm very curious. I'm a new rider, and my MSF instructor said that "most bikes" are designed to scrape the pegs long before they break traction. I have now put on 500 miles on my 96 PC800 and have not yet scraped the pegs. On the other hand, I've come way too close to going off the road on the outside of a curve because I'm afraid to lean any further. Obviously, I'm trying to ride within my limits, which are pretty narrow at this point, and I'm getting better at going into the curves more slowly, but I sure would like to know how much more I can lean when needed. I have a feeling I'm not leaning anywhere close to the max, but I don't know for sure. So the big question is: Have you ever lost traction on dry smooth pavement (or elsewhere) before you scraped the pegs? If the consensus is that scraping the pegs is a non-event on dry pavement, I may get up the guts to push my (very small) envelope on a nice safe slow curve one of these days. I feel that after I have scraped the pegs, I'll be much safer because I will KNOW what I can and can't get away with. By the way, I am the not-so-proud owner of K555's, I'm afraid. Fortunately, they only have 2,500 miles on them. Thanks for the help. Greg Chambers ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Wearing down the pegs From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 30 Jan 1997 00:28:35 -0600 Lines: 38 >>>>> "GC" == Greg Chambers writes: GC> I have now put on 500 miles on my 96 PC800 and have not yet scraped the GC> pegs. On the other hand, I've come way too close to going off the road GC> on the outside of a curve because I'm afraid to lean any further. Kent (a past list member) was known for being able to scrape the crash protectors. Yes, he actually ground down the bumpers to the point where leaning any further meant that the frame hit the asphalt. GC> I have a feeling I'm not leaning anywhere close to the max, but I don't GC> know for sure. I scraped a peg exactly once in three years on my PC. It scared the hell out of me. GC> So the big question is: Have you ever lost traction on dry smooth GC> pavement (or elsewhere) before you scraped the pegs? No, but I have had the feeling that the bike just wasn't going to take it any more. Once I experienced some very unnerving wabbling from the front, which I attribute to the fact that I need a new front tire. (K555, 13K miles, plenty of tread left. No really, way above the 3/32" limit.) GC> If the consensus is that scraping the pegs is a non-event on dry GC> pavement, I may get up the guts to push my (very small) envelope on a GC> nice safe slow curve one of these days. If you have a long sweeper, go ahead and give it a shot. From people who push their bikes harder than I, I've learned that when traction starts to go, it will generally go gradually and that if you maintain your head and not touch the brakes or do some other foolish thing you have plenty of time to back off without a catastrophic loss of traction. Still, what do I know? I don't have the balls to really push it. After a tune up and a new 177 on the front, though, I might be willing to try. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com by emout02.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id DAA03042 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 03:26:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 03:26:20 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Strong Wind Gusts Hi Cory: In a message dated 97-01-29 12:38:39 EST, you write: << Juan discovered that the best place to ride was on the right berm. That was "closest" to the wind, but more importantly, the pavement there hadn't been worn smooth by the traffic and had some "bite" while the worm pavement allowed us to be blown sideways! >> Sounds like a good plan if things are that severe and you can't find anyplace to hole up for a while. The only problem with the extreme upwind position comes when the wind suddenly quits and you find yourself aimed for a culvert or ditch. I guess there's a down side to every plan, what? Better traction is indeed an important consideration in such situations, and it is one of the reasons for riding in the center of the lane under moderate Xwind conditions. The pavement there is also less worn than in the wheel tracks, and there is less likely to be enough standing water to result in hydroplaning if it is raining fairly hard. (Those of you who are about to bring up the oil/grease/etc. that is in the center of the lane have a point, but that is really not a big problem except at intersections and toll-booth lanes). Anyway, thanks for the input Cory (and Juan). I'll keep it in mind. One can always use more options. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id DAA26732 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 03:53:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 03:53:30 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Wearing down the pegs Hi Greg: You've got the right idea about staying within your limits. Keep that thought, and don't force the envelope just to achieve the dubious honor of having scraped a peg. There's plenty of time for that, and I know lots of competent riders who never scape anything yet manage to outrun riders who do. Nonetheless, your instructor was generally correct. On clean, dry pavement, you will normally run out of ground clearance before you run out of grip. Things that can make this iffy are right turns on highly crowned roads; off-camber surfaces (i.e., those that are banked the wrong way); really hard old tires; old, polished road surfaces; and bumpy surfaces. And this assumes reasonably correct cornering technique with smooth, light acceleration, etc. Hard acceleration or braking while leaning at less-than-peg-scraping angles can ask more from the tires than they are prepared to give. Rather than experimenting on the road, find yourself a fairly new parking lot, one without a lot of oily spots from parked cars. Find a clean section where you can make a circle about 60 ft in diameter. Start at about 15 mph and slowly ease the speed up. As the speed increases, you'll have to feed in ever greater pressure on the inside hand grip to increase the lean and hold the radius. If you get dizzy pull out and rest a bit. Eventually, probably at between 20 and 25 mph, you will start tickling the pegs. Be sure to keep your eyes looking well through the turn to check for traffic. This will also reduce your perception of how far the bike is leaning and reduce some of the anxiety you have about leaning. Better yet, take an Experienced Rider Course. It contains several exercises where you'll have an opportunity to explore the lean-angle limits of your PC and allow practice on your stopping and swerving techniques to boot. Have fun. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 01:10:59 -0800 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: :>) >>>>where you'll have an opportunity to explore the lean-angle limits of your PC>>> I've discoverd those angles at a few stop signs in my days :>) -- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, AKC http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com by emout20.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id EAA14663 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 04:36:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 04:36:06 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Winds Hi David: In a message dated 97-01-29 13:49:31 EST, you write: << Now try riding 500 miles across Wyoming with a constant 30-60 mph cross wind. >> Amen! I had a similar day on my Wing in west Texas one March day. Had to run in 3rd gear just to maintain about 60 mph; got less than 25 mpg; fouled two plugs (wrong heat range for that kind of engine duty); and got the side of my neck sandblasted raw. Such days make for great stories, but what I want to know is why do we do this to ourselves? JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 07:47:50 -0700 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Wearing down the pegs I'd like to second JT's advice to find a good parking lot and carefully explore. Much better than using roads with all their irregularities and lack of room should things get wierd. Just have your story ready should the security guard come by. Bob C. NM ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mskrocki@meldrum.com Date: Thu, 30 Jan 97 10:03:06 est To: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312), pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Wearing down the pegs Just to mention that I used the parking lot (state office blding) that my local msf training course uses (I also had the waiver that I signed absolving the local municipality of responsibility in my possession). They kind of expect to see people practicing with motorcycles there. The one time I had a local law enforcement officer watch me for a bit, but even he didn't bother me. Enjoy the ride. Mark Skrocki Sanrdra & Mark Skrocki Shaker Hts., OH mskrocki@meldrum.com The following is an attached File item from cc:Mail. It contains information that had to be encoded to ensure successful transmission through various mail systems. To decode the file use the UUDECODE program. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 08:09:45 -0700 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Hooking up I'm looking for recommendations about on-line services-- I access this list at work, but am going to set up at home in the near future. Plan on basic web & email service. If anyone has recommendations, could you reply to me directly? Thanks, Bob Clancy, NM rmclanc@sandia.gov ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 10:29:31 EST From: James Hyder Subject: Re: Wearing down the pegs ** Reply to note from greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers ) Wed, 29 Jan 1997 22:02:43 -0800 > I have now put on 500 miles on my 96 > PC800 and have not yet scraped the pegs. On the other hand, I've come way > too close to going off the road on the outside of a curve because I'm > afraid to lean any further. Okay, so call me a wimp, but in 20 years of riding on four or five bikes, including five years and 25K+ miles on the PC, I had *never* scraped the pegs on any of them until last summer. I was heading for the left turn lane of a broad intersection, the light was about to change, so I gunned it and leaned hard into the turn. At the apex of the turn, the peg hit the ground and practically scared the s**t out of me, more because I didn't expect it than because it felt unsafe to be leaning that far. I don't think I braked, but I instinctively let off the gas, and came back up to vertical fast. Fortunately, I didn't flip over the opposite side. I maintained control and rode off, a little spooked, but (after a minute or two) happier that I knew the limits of my bike a little better, and that my reflexes had served me well, rather than smearing me all over the road. --James Hyder Columbia, MD USA '89 PC800, 26,000 miles ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 17:26:27 +0100 (MET) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gerard Diepeveen Subject: Winter Diary >From a friend of mine I got this winter diary for all of you who are dreaming of summer, but are stuck in the middle of the winter. DEAR DIARY AUG 12 Moved to our new home in upstate New York. It is so beautiful here. The mountains are so majestic. Can hardly wait to see them with snow on them. I love it here. OCT 14 Upstate New York is the most beautiful place on earth. The leaves are turned all the colors and shades of red and orange. Went for a ride through the beautiful mountains and saw some deer. They are so graceful, certainly they are the most wonderful animal on earth. This must be paradise. I love it here. NOV 11 Deer season will start soon. I can't imagine anyone wanting to kill such a gorgeous creature. Hope it will snow soon. I love it here. DEC 2 It snowed last night. Woke up to find everything blanketed with white. It looks like a postcard. We went outside and cleaned the snow off the steps and shoveled the driveway. We had a snowball fight (I won), and when the snow plow came by, we had to shovel again. What a beautiful place. I love upstate New York. DEC 12 More snow last night. I love it. The snow plow did his trick again to the driveway. I love it here! DEC 19 More snow last night. Couldn't get out of the driveway to get to work. I am exhausted from shoveling. Fucking snow plow. DEC 22 More of that white shit fell last night. I've got blisters on my hands from shoveling. I think the snow plow hides around the curve and waits until I'm done shoveling the driveway. Asshole! DEC 25 More friggin snow. If I ever get my hands on that son-of-a-bitch who drives that snow plow, I swear I'll kill the bastard. Don't know why they don't use more salt on the roads to melt the fucking ice. DEC 27 More white shit last night. Been inside for 3 days except for shoveling out the driveway after that snow plow goes through every time. Can't go anywhere, car's stuck in a mountain of white shit. The weatherman says to expect another 10" of the shit again tonight. Do you know how many shovels full of snow 10" is? DEC 28 The fucking weatherman was wrong. We got 34" of that white shit this time. At this rate it won't melt before next summer. The snow plow got stuck up the road and that bastard came to the door and asked to borrow my shovel. After I told him I had broken six shovels already shoveling all the shit he pushed into the driveway, I broke my last one over his fucking head. JAN 4 Finally out of the house today. Went to the store to get food and on the way back a damned deer ran in front of the car and I hit it. Did about $3,000 damage to the car. Those fucking beasts should be killed. Wish the hunters had killed them all last November. MAY 3 Took the car to the garage in town. Would you believe the thing is rusting out from that fucking salt they put all over the road. MAY 10 Moved back to California. I can't imagine why anyone in their right mind would want to live in that God-forsaken state of New York. --------------------------------00--------------------- Gerard Diepeveen '89 White Pacific Coast Netherlands E-Mail: G.Diepeveen@inter.NL.net or gerard@dsv.nl O-PC-O:-) "May the Pacific Coast be with you" Visit the Honda Pacific Coast Netherlands: http://www.inter.nl.net/users/G.Diepeveen/pc800.htm ------------------------------------------------------ with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 11:35:06 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 11:40:22 -0500 From: JAN DEROOS To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Had the same experience, but did flip over to the opposite side. Lots of Had the same experience, but did flip over to the opposite side. Lots of scraped pearl colored plastic ($700 worth). Went to CLASS school after that little mishap and learned that the PC can scrape the pegs very nicely. I don't recommend learning this technique in an uncontrolled environment. It took me most of the day to get the courage to lean the bike consistently at an angle to scrape. When your brain is screaming 'your going to die you stupid putz', but the bike is willing to take the turn it takes alot of training to consistently lean the bike over. On the open road I've only scraped a few times since the school, but now know how to control the bike at this lean angle. (I also have very fresh K177's and know that this maneuver is very hard on the tires). YMMV. Happy riding, Jan deRoos 1989 PC800, 16,000 mi. "Moby" >>> James Hyder 01/30/97 10:29am >>> ** Reply to note from greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers ) Wed, 29 Jan 1997 22:02:43 -0800 > I have now put on 500 miles on my 96 > PC800 and have not yet scraped the pegs. On the other hand, I've come way I was heading for the left turn lane of a broad intersection, the light was about to change, so I gunned it and leaned hard into the turn. At the apex of the turn, the peg hit the ground and practically scared the s**t out of me, more because I didn't expect it than because it felt unsafe to be leaning that far. I don't think I braked, but I instinctively let off the gas, and came back up to vertical fast. Fortunately, I didn't flip over the opposite side. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 18:15:42 +0100 (MET) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gerard Diepeveen Subject: Ad's on PCN pages If you have Pacific Coast things for sale, then I give you the opportunity to put your add on our Dutch and English Members Only pages, this service is free and for PC800 riders only. Send me the add, and I garantee you the next day it will be on the Internet. When the item your selling is sold, send me an email so I can remove your add from the pages. Mail can be send to: G.Diepeveen@inter.nl.net or gerard@dsv.nl Best regards, Gerard Diepeveen, Pacific Coast Netherlands --------------------------------00--------------------- Gerard Diepeveen '89 White Pacific Coast Netherlands E-Mail: G.Diepeveen@inter.NL.net or gerard@dsv.nl O-PC-O:-) "May the Pacific Coast be with you" Visit the Honda Pacific Coast Netherlands: http://www.inter.nl.net/users/G.Diepeveen/pc800.htm ------------------------------------------------------ 30 Jan 1997 11:44:57 -0600 (MDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 11:44:57 -0600 (MDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by cc.usu.edu From: David Clark Subject: Re: Winds To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 04:36 AM 1/30/97 -0500, you wrote: >Hi David: > >In a message dated 97-01-29 13:49:31 EST, you write: > ><< Now try riding 500 miles across Wyoming with a constant 30-60 mph cross > wind. >> > >Amen! I had a similar day on my Wing in west Texas one March day. Had to >run in 3rd gear just to maintain about 60 mph; got less than 25 mpg; fouled >two plugs (wrong heat range for that kind of engine duty); and got the side >of my neck sandblasted raw. Such days make for great stories, but what I >want to know is why do we do this to ourselves? > >JT We like to ride and will take the good with the bad and ugly. David Clark Logan, UT 30 Jan 1997 11:46:21 -0600 (MDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 11:46:21 -0600 (MDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by cc.usu.edu From: David Clark Subject: Re: Wearing down the pegs To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Greg wrote: >I saw a reference to a message wherein Chris Klass said he had worn >down the bolts under the footpegs? I'm very curious. I'm a new rider, >and my MSF instructor said that "most bikes" are designed to scrape the >pegs long before they break traction. I have now put on 500 miles on Your instructor should have also stated that anytime you are scraping something you run the risk of those parts catching on something in the road and affecting your traction as JT mentioned (bumps crowns, etc). >Obviously, I'm trying to ride within my limits, which are pretty narrow >at this point, and I'm getting better at going into the curves more >slowly, but I sure would like to know how much more I can lean when >needed. I have a feeling I'm not leaning anywhere close to the max, but >I don't know for sure. Practice, practice, practice. >So the big question is: Have you ever lost traction on dry smooth >pavement (or elsewhere) before you scraped the pegs? Fresh pavement is famous for having no traction. That is why they will chip after it has been used for a little bit. In the spring road crews fill in the cracks in roads with a tar that contains soap so it will flow. When you come around a corner and hit those things you will loose traction long before you start to scrape. It feels like you are skating. >is that scraping the pegs is a non-event on dry pavement, I may get up >the guts to push my (very small) envelope on a nice safe slow curve one >of these days. I feel that after I have scraped the pegs, I'll be much >safer because I will KNOW what I can and can't get away with. By the As JT mentioned take an experienced rider course. You will learn alot about you and your bike since you practice on your bike. The parking lot practices are great if you now what and how to do it. They are even better after you have had your course since you have an idea of what to practice. Swerving, which will give you the opportunity to test your reflexes and leaning ability, and braking are two of the most important skills that have been found to lacking in cyclist involved in accidents. They did not know the limits of themselves and their bikes. So take a course and practice, practice, practice. Because, the more you know the better it gets. David Clark Logan, UT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 16:01:33 -0500 From: Doug Powell To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Wearing down the pegs > Your instructor should have also stated that anytime you are scraping > something you run the risk of those parts catching on something in the road > and affecting your traction as JT mentioned (bumps crowns, etc). Just a note about this thread, BE CAREFUL! I do speak from experience...a three lane mountain road with nothing but curves and I seem to be getting close to scraping the pegs and all of the sudden I see the two bags of concrete that have apparently fallen from a truck and busted all over the road. Before I could do anything I was on the pavement sliding into the opposite lane...with traffic bearing down on me, everyone was able to stop but it scared the hell out of me. My point is, if you must try this do it in a controlled area. You never know what is waiting ahead and it won't matter what kind of tires you happen to have. Ride on.... Doug ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 16:39:34 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: Too True To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > THIS IS A MESSAGE IN 'MIME' FORMAT. Your mail reader may not support MIME. > Some parts of this will be readable as plain text. > To see the rest, you may need to upgrade your mail reader. Just a note about this thread, BE CAREFUL! I do speak from experience...a three lane mountain road with nothing but curves and I seem to be getting close to scraping the pegs and all of the sudden I see the two bags of concrete that have apparently fallen from a truck and busted all over the road. Before I could do anything I was on the pavement sliding into the opposite lane...with traffic bearing down on me, everyone was able to stop but it scared the hell out of me. My point is, if you must try this do it in a controlled area. You never know what is waiting ahead and it won't matter what kind of tires you happen to have. Ride on.... Doug I think this is the most important advice (next to the MSF thing) that anyone can give. I NEVER scrape a peg, or travel fast around full blind corners, or in unfamiliar area. My commute gives me long perfect sweepers, ie. exit and entrace ramps. And even there I have to be carefull as more than once gravel or sand or other debis has fallen off a truck lying in the middle of the road. Chris Klass 95 PC 800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us for ; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 15:33:30 -0900 AKMAIL1.Alaska To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Wearing down the pegs Date: 30 Jan 97 15:26:42 KST The only time I have scraped my pegs is on my Shadow 750, and that was on a really tight left turn. I have never done it on the PC and quite frankly I don't care if I ever do. It's not that important to me. The roads here in spring and early summer have a lot of gravel on them from winter, not to mention porcupines, squirrels and bears (oh my!). Jo Ruby Juneau, Alaska ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 21:03:51 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Gerard Diepeveen CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Winter Diary Gerard Diepeveen wrote: > DEAR DIARY > > AUG 12 Moved to our new home in upstate New York. It is so > beautiful here. The mountains are so majestic. Can hardly wait to > see them with snow on them. I love it here. Sounds like the "Winter From Hell" we had here in the Northeast last year. All time record snowfall. Warp 10 levels of PMS waiting for spring... I love it here......... ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 22:04:26 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: George Hudson Subject: Cleveland MC Show Anybody planning to attend the MC show at the IX center this weekend? Should we get together for a BS session? ********************************************** George Hudson 93 GL-1500 Aspencade georgeh@en.com 96 ST-1100 Solon,Ohio 76 GL-1000 Standard (2) GWRRA 91008 STOC 302 AMA 415992 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Roger Prince" To: , "PC800 Mail List" Cc: "HSTA" Subject: Re: For Sale Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 22:44:09 -0500 The backrest has been sold. Thanks to those who called. Roger > > FOR SALE: PC800 Hondaline backrest. Excellent condition. Fits and > color matches "89, '90, '94, '95. Includes all necessary hardware and > mounting instructions. Removed from '95PC to make room for Givi > rack/box. $100 obo plus $10 shipping. > > Roger Prince > email: roger@etgn14.webo.dg.com > Tel: 508 528-5758 by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA18656 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 23:56:27 -0600 (CST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 23:56:27 -0600 (CST) From: greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers ) Subject: Re: Bike Rentals To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Phil wrote: > >I have some pilot type friends who occassionally have layovers here in >the L.A. area, and I was wondering if anyone knows where they can rent >bikes. Phil Bartell's Harley-Davidson in Marina del Rey rents bikes. They are definitely not PC's, but they are 10 minutes from LAX and the hotels where the crews stay. Greg Chambers ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 20:51:41 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Doug Powell CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Wearing down the pegs > You never know what is waiting ahead and it won't matter what kind of tires you > happen to have. Amen. Although I seldom ride aggressively, when the urge did strike I've never come close to scraping the pegs. I prefer to hang off the bike to maintain minimum lean for maximum contact patch. (Not on the PC but my two previous bikes - Honda CBR600 and CB1000). These days I tend to ride like a wuss as I'm keenly aware of my own mortality and would like to be riding for another 26 years. For all it's weight and intended purpose, the PC really does handle better then it has any right to. It's slow speed agility is superior to that of the CB1000. Anyway, that's my $.02 worth. gk ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Estes, Cory S" To: "'George Hudson'" , "'PC800 List'" Subject: RE: Cleveland MC Show Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 07:56:17 -0500 George, I'll probably be there. Look for a guy in an HSTA t-shirt who looks a little like Elton John..........that's me. Cory > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA12577; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 11:06:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 11:06:22 -0500 (EST) To: aperez@pecorp.com, Smcavin@aol.com, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: riding...????? soon???? Howdy all Chicago/ IL types, With the weather approaching 40 degrees and in an effort to establish the Year Around Club, or the 12 Monthers, this may be our BEST chance to ride in February. My home number is 773-235-0933. Perhaps we can ride Saturday afternoon, perhaps Sunday??? The roads should be clear by then. Let's talk. Let's e-mail. Let's get together !!!!!! Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 13:28:16 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: John LaFreniere Subject: Re: Bike Rentals At 11:56 PM 1/30/97 -0600, Greg Chambers wrote: >Phil wrote: > >I have some pilot type friends who occassionally have layovers here in >the L.A. area, and I was wondering if anyone knows where they can rent >bikes. > >Phil Budget Rent-a-car (888) 937 3686 (888-we-rent-mc) rents Harleys - They have all '97's and they are cheep! I'm renting 2 this weekend. (my wife can't reach the ground on my PC..) If anyone wants a report, let me know... I wasn't going to post a report about this in the PC group, but I will if someone wants the info. Sportster 883 - $69 + $20 damage waiver ($1500 credit card deposit), 25 years old, and of course a valid MC license 1200 sportster about $109 plus above John http://john.csun.edu John LaFreniere http://john.csun.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 16:03:30 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: b-dorman@miint.net (Bob Dorman) Subject: Re: riding...????? soon???? >Howdy all Chicago/ IL types, > >With the weather approaching 40 degrees and in an effort to establish the >Year Around Club, or the 12 Monthers, this may be our BEST chance to ride Funny, when I met Z (Todd) he seemed like a perfectly rational human being, excellent rider, level-headed kind of guy. Guess the effect of cold weather and cabin fever does strange things to people...Bob ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 16:41:35 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: MC rentals To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu For MC rentals check this page. http://www.mshopper.eurografix.com/links/touring.htm Chris Klass 95 PC 800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Abbey Perez" To: , , , Subject: Re: riding...????? soon???? Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 17:35:52 -0600 I love to, but at the present time I do not have a cycle. Three weeks ago my garage burned down with five of my bikes. I will have a PC real soon. Abbey ---------- > From: GuntherSki@aol.com > To: aperez@pecorp.com; Smcavin@aol.com; hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu; pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: riding...????? soon???? > Date: Friday, January 31, 1997 10:06 AM > > Howdy all Chicago/ IL types, > > With the weather approaching 40 degrees and in an effort to establish the > Year Around Club, or the 12 Monthers, this may be our BEST chance to ride > in February. My home number is 773-235-0933. Perhaps we can ride Saturday > afternoon, perhaps Sunday??? The roads should be clear by then. Let's talk. > Let's e-mail. Let's get together !!!!!! > > Z > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) Sat, 1 Feb 1997 00:34:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 00:34:44 -0500 (EST) To: b-dorman@miint.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: riding...????? soon???? Bob, Does this mean your IN ???? I just went out and fired her up. The battery tender is doing it's magic. I say Sunday at the Highland House.... Z