********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 13:37:10 +0100 (MET) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gerard Diepeveen Subject: Test new design To all I am testing a new dsign for the PCN pages with maps. I like to know what kind of browser you all use The test page is lokated at: http://www.dsv.nl/~gerard/index.htm the page contains a map with 3 buttons: 'Enter' 'E-Mail' and 'Info'. Browsers such as Netscape 2 and 3 or Microsoft Explorer have no problem with it, but I don't know if browsers other than the ones above can read them This 'MAP' is completely in html code, so you don't need a *.map file, and you even don't need a CGI-BIN server. Please try it and let me know if you having problems with it or not. Thanks in advance BTW the site mentioned above does not have anything to do with PCN, but it is my second homepage about 3D Gerard Diepeveen, Pacific Coast Netherlands ----------------------------------------------------- Gerard Diepeveen '89 White Pacific Coast Netherlands E-Mail: G.Diepeveen@inter.NL.net or gerard@dsv.nl O-PC-O:-) "May the Pacific Coast be with you" http://www.inter.nl.net/users/G.Diepeveen/pc800.htm ---------------------------------------------------- by mail.webspan.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA26837; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 15:51:16 -0500 (EST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 01 Dec 1996 15:51:57 -0500 From: Klassc To: Sid Liebes CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Loading I think most just overload it (I know, not smart, but honest). Ever seen some of the Goldwings at Americade? 500 pounds in people alone! The drawback for the PC is the lack of good quality, easily fitted aftermarket rear shocks. I find that when I ride two up my light shines into the trees! In the future I will be looking for a good used Voyager. Chris Klass 95 PC 800 (bought new in 4-96) 11,000 miles. And yes, alas, I hit 210 lbs, down from 265. Mom says I am just big boned. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 13:49:15 -0700 (MST) To: GuntherSki@aol.com, liebes@hplms2.hpl.hp.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Re: Loading At 21:03 11/30/96 -0500, GuntherSki@aol.com wrote: >Uh Sid, > >I think a hobby would be in order. There are plenty of us, myself included >that have riden thousands of miles, 2 up, with gear at extra legal speeds >with NO TROUBLE!!!! Check the archives. I weigh 240lbs, my passenger weighs >120, plus gear. You're the HP tech guy but the piont is the manf. recommened >weight limit is WAY conservative. Buy the bike, load it up, and RIDE!!!!! > >Z A hearty "Amen." Gregg DesElms ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 17:18:58 -0500 From: Bill McKenna To: pc800 newsletter CC: st1100@st1100.com Subject: F L U The docs on the E-Med list are saying this year's FLU is a real SOB! Worst in 10-12 years. >103* temp...wish you'd die pain. 30% of staff out... >3-5 cases/ hr in the E.D. Just in case you were thinking about NOT getting yer shot! FWIW Bill ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 05 Dec 96 11:03:58 EST From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Cc: HSTA Postings to List Subject: GIVI GIVI is no longer selling directly to customers from its headquarters in Charlotte, North Carolina. This is evidently a recent change of policy of which I was not aware. You must order through a dealer. BMW of Charlotte will ship to you for the same prices as GIVI quoted...plus shipping, but no state sales tax. Their telephone number is 704/882-6106. I have no connection or interest in this dealership. This is the way that one of our members ordered a rack and top box today... Dana Sawyer ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 11:10:01 -0800 To: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@compuserve.com>, HondaPacificCoastOwners From: "Russell C. Jackson" Subject: Re: GIVI Cc: HSTA Postings to List Thanks for posting this info. Dana. It is very helpful to know where to look when you get ready to purchase these items. At 11:03 AM 12/5/96 EST, Dana L. Sawyer wrote: >GIVI is no longer selling directly to customers from its headquarters in >Charlotte, North Carolina. This is evidently a recent change of policy of which >I was not aware. You must order through a dealer. BMW of Charlotte will ship to >you for the same prices as GIVI quoted...plus shipping, but no state sales tax. >Their telephone number is 704/882-6106. I have no connection or interest in this >dealership. This is the way that one of our members ordered a rack and top box >today... ====================================== Russell C. Jackson - Software Engineer rjackson@wrightstrat.com -------------------------------------- Wright Strategies 2223 Avenida de la Playa La Jolla, CA 92037 619-551-6808 ====================================== ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 19:12:42 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: High Altitude Operation Greetings all, Does anyone have any experience of having ridden their PCs at both sea level and at elevations of 10,000' or higher? At approximately what altitude does increased richness start to become noticeable? Is there a point at which you would consider the deterioration of performance to be a safety factor or merely an annoyance? The service manual provides information for leaning the pilot mixture for continuous operation above 6,500'. While this will correct the mixture at idle, the only way to lean the carbs at throttle settings above idle (short of actually rejetting) would be to remove the air filter. (Not an option) Any scraps of wisdom from the collective conscience of the list membership will be appreciated. (Will also consider speculation, blind guesses, old wives tales, hunches and psychic advice...) -- ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and has anyone seen the European Honda NTV-650? (A Hawk-GT with hard luggage and shaft drive!) Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ by mail.webspan.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA06035; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 20:13:56 -0500 (EST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 20:14:47 -0500 From: Klassc To: garyklim@SNET.Net CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: High Altitude Operation I was living in Laramire, WY, elevation 7500 feet. There was a HUGE difference when I moved to sea level (NJ). Much more power. While living in WY I contacted a few mags, MCN e-mailed me back and said that while they did not no what to do they felt sure there was an altitute adjustment on the bike, somewhere. Maybe call a dealer in CO. I got my bike from Sun Enterprises in CO, 303-287-7566. Give them a call. Chris Klass 95 PC800 and loving it! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 20:04:40 -0600 From: Ricardo Morell To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu CC: rmorell@campus.cem.itesm.mx Subject: New Member Hi: I'm one of the rokies. I'm mexican and live in Mexico City, I don't have a PC800 yet but I realy fall in love when I see one in my country. Tow things guys: Sorry for my english. The second one is if you know how or who can import a PC800 to my country, I'm very interested in one of this bikes... Thaks for yor time and advaisors. Name: Ricardo Morell Location: Mexico City Email: rmorell@campus.cem.itesm.mx by mail.webspan.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA10848; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 20:56:24 -0500 (EST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 20:57:15 -0500 From: Klassc To: kforeman@juno.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: High Altitude Operation <32A77387.1377@webspan.net> <19961205.182835.9974.2.kforeman@juno.com> > Chris, > Are you the person that we met at the Country Store in Saratoga, > Wyoming with the black PC800 like ours, and you had put a rifle > windsheild on it? > Ken Ken! You bet I was the one. I was gassing up after leaving the Hobo baths. How are you? I have since moved back to NJ, and put a Corbin with a backreast on it. Looks like you found this list all right. Hows the wonderfull state of WY? I miss it. Though I was able to go to Americade this year, as it was a short 3.5 hour ride. I tell you not having the wind is nice. How is you bike? When we last talked I had only the Dakar jacket. I have since picked up a Motoport GP-2 kevlar. It was perfect for the summer. Hope all is well. While I do like it here, I do miss the wide open spaces of WY. Chris PS. I put 9000 miles on the bike this summer! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 21:15:15 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: rmorell@campus.cem.itesm.mx CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: New Member Ricardo Morell wrote: > Sorry for my english. Welcome to the group and the nicest bunch of people you're likely to meet. Just ask us. :) Don't apologize for your English, I spent almost two years in Germany and all I learned was how to order a beer and ask where the mens' room was... I apologize for not having any knowledge of how to import a PC-800. (Or export, depending on your point of view...) gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and it's about time this group recovered from Thanksgiving. ;) Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 21:22:38 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: klassc@webspan.net CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: High Altitude Operation <32A77387.1377@webspan.net> <19961205.182835.9974.2.kforeman@juno.com> <32A77D7B.1DED@webspan.net> Klassc wrote: > While I do like it here, I do miss the wide open > spaces of WY. If you ever have the urge to head north into New England, the land starts to get scenic and less populated once you get east of Middletown, CT. I've got a nice loop of about 100 miles if you're ever up this way. Give me a shout. gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and does anyone really read signature blocks? Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ by mail.webspan.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA17638; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 21:55:31 -0500 (EST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 21:56:22 -0500 From: Klassc To: garyklim@snet.net CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: High Altitude Operation <32A77387.1377@webspan.net> <19961205.182835.9974.2.kforeman@juno.com> <32A77D7B.1DED@webspan.net> <32A7836E.4959@mail.snet.net> > If you ever have the urge to head north into New England, the land > starts to get scenic and less populated once you get east of Middletown, > CT. I've got a nice loop of about 100 miles if you're ever up this way. > Give me a shout. > > gk GK, Count on it! I grew up in Westport, CT, and went to school in Boston. I love New England, and would love to get an escorted ride. Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: garyklim@snet.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: High Altitude Operation From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy) Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 23:15:01 EST I've been to 12,000 + , at which I had about 40-50% power loss (difficult to quantify, but definitely a lot). I would say it became noticeable at about 6,000 feet. This was through mountain passes in Colorado, so it didn't compromise safety, I guess you can judge for yourself how much your safety would be compromised in traffic with that much loss of power. Hope it helps. Richard Hardy, San Diego "Aka Neko" RAHardy@juno.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 20:31:29 -0800 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: High Altitude Operation Having just recently returned from a down the left coast and back thru the desert trip, I think I started to have problems at around 4500-5000 feet. chattering, loss of power, and a generally nasty noise. Note dangerous, & my mechanic says no permanent damage done. But damn, it was annoying! -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 Honda PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 17:36:47 -0900 (AKST) To: rmorell@campus.cem.itesm.mx From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: New Member Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hola Ricardo! I was born in Mexico City. Moved up here in 1984. I don't know how you could import a PC int Mexico. Last I heard,=20 because of NAFTA, import rules had been made easier but it is still quite expensive to import any motor vehicles. There are a few members in Texas, Arizona and California who could tell you if there is one for sale and available, but for import rules you should contact Hacienda (?) or one of the consulates here in the US (might try Canada too!). Actually, hang on... Here's what I found on short notice: (my appologies to the rest of the list, they only had this info in spanish) Importaci=F3n temporal de autom=F3viles a M=E9xico=20 PARA QUE UN MEXICANO IMPORTE SU COCHE A MEXICO ES NECESARIO QUE OBTENGA UN PERMISO DE HASTA 6 MESES EN LA FRONTERA Y QUE DEJE UNA GARANTIA ECONOMICA PARA GARANTIZAR QUE EL COCHE NO SE VA A QUEDAR EN MEXICO. DURANTE ESOS SEIS MESES USTED PUEDE ENTRAR UNA O VARIAS VECES A MEXICO. AL FINAL DE ESE PERIODO, O DESPUES DE SU ULTIMA ENTRADA, TIENE QUE CANCELAR EL PERMISO EN EL MISMO PUNTO FRONTERIZO POR DONDE ENTRO ORIGINALMENTE. ADEMAS, MIENTRAS EL COCHE PERMANEZCA EN MEXICO, SIEMPRE DEBE DE HABER UNA PERSONA RESIDENTE EN LOS ESTADOS UNIDOS A BORDO.=20 LOS DOCUMENTOS QUE TIENE QUE LLEVAR PARA EL PERMISO SON LOS SIGUIENTES:=20 1.EL TITULO DE PROPIEDAD DEL VEHICULO O PINK SLIP EN ORIGINAL Y DOS COPIAS. TIENE QUE ESTAR A NOMBRE DE QUIEN INTENTA IMPORTAR EL VEHICULO O DE UN FAMILIAR CERCANO COMO PADRES O HIJOS SOLAMENTE.=20 2.SI NO HA ACABADO DE PAGAR EL COCHE Y POR ELLO NO TIENE TITULO DE PROPIEDAD, PRESENTE EL CONTRATO DE CREDITO A SU NOMBRE EN ORIGINAL Y DOS COPIAS, .=20 3.SI EL COCHE NO ES SUYO SINO DE LA EMPRESA DONDE TRABAJA, PRESENTE ENTONCES SU CONTRATO DE TRABAJO EN ORIGINAL Y DOS COPIAS EN LUGAR DEL TITULO DE PROPIEDAD=20 4.SU LICENCIA DE MANEJO VIGENTE EN ORIGINAL Y DOS COPIAS=20 5.PRESENTE SU CERTIFICADO DE MATRICULA CONSULAR EXPEDIDO POR EL CONSULADO DE MEXICO QUE CORRESPONDA A SU DOMICILIO. SI NO TIENE MATRICULA Y VIVE EN EL AREA DE LA BAHIA DE SAN FRANCISCO PUEDE OBTENER UNA EN ESTE CONSULADO PRESENTANDOSE DE LUNES A VIERNES ENTRE 9 Y 1 CON SU ACTA DE NACIMIENTO ORIGINAL, UNA CREDENCIAL CON FOTOGRAFIA, UN COMPROBANTE DE SU DOMICILIO Y 16 DOLARES.=20 UNA VEZ QUE HAYA PRESENTADO ESOS DOCUMENTOS, USTED VA A LLENAR LOS FORMULARIOS DE SOLICITUD DE INTERNACION Y EL DE PROMESA DE RETORNAR EL VEHICULO A LOS ESTADOS UNIDOS.=20 AHORA LE VAMOS A EXPLICAR COMO PUEDE DEJAR LA GARANTIA ECONOMICA. HAY TRES MANERAS:=20 LA PRIMERA ES LLEVANDO SU TARJETA DE CREDITO DE LOS ESTADOS UNIDOS A LA QUE SERA CARGADA 10 DOLARES. CUANDO SAQUE EL VEHICULO DE MEXICO, NO SE LE OLVIDE CANCELAR SU PERMISO DE IMPORTACION EN EL BANCO DEL EJERCITO. SI NO LO HACE, SE LE VA A CARGAR A LA TARJETA EL VALOR DE SU COCHE.=20 LA SEGUNDA MANERA ES CONTRATANDO UNA FIANZA CON UNA COMPANIA AFIANZADORA MEXICANA EN LA FRONTERA QUE EQUIVALDRA AL 1 O 2 POR CIENTO DEL VALOR DEL VEHICULO. EL VALOR MINIMO DE UNA FIANZA ES DE 125 DOLARES Y DE AHI PARA ARRIBA, SEGUN EL VALOR DEL COCHE. SI NO TIENE TARJETA O NO QUIERE CONTRATAR UNA FIANZA, ENTONCES TENDRA QUE DEJAR EN DEPOSITO EN EL BANCO DEL EJERCITO EQUIVALENTE 100% DEL VALOR DEL VEHICULO, MISMO QUE LE SERA DEVUELTO CUANDO SAQUE EL COCHE DEFINITIVAMENTE DE MEXICO.=20 PARA DARLE UNA IDEA DE LO QUE TENDRIA QUE DEJAR DE FIANZA O DE DEPOSITO, AQUI LE VAMOS A DAR LOS VALORES VIGENTES HASTA ABRIL DE 1996 (Valor en D=F3lares, sin centavos):=20 Type of vehicle/Model I II III IV=20 1994-95 10,000 7,500 6,000 20,000=20 1992-93 7,000 4,500 3,000 12,000=20 1990-91 3,000 1,500 1,000 5,000=20 1982-89 1,500 1,000 750 3,000=20 anterior a/prior to 1982 500 500 500 1,000=20 Tipos de vehiculos/ Types of vehicles: (I) Carros de lujo/Luxury cars: Grand Marquis, New Yorker, Cadillac, Van, Minivan de cualquier marca/any make) etc.=20 (II) Pick ups=20 (III) Carros compactos y medianos como/ compact and medium sized cars such as: Nissan, VW, Honda, Mitsubishi, Ford, GM, etc.=20 (IV) Marcas europeas y deportivos/ European- and sports cars such as Mercedes Benz, BMW, Alfa Romeo, Jaguar, Porsche, Corvette, Trans-Am, etc.=20 I know this pertains to cars, but this will give you an idea as to what you are facing. It can be done, it just won't be easy. Good luck and welcome! Juan Antonio At 08:04 PM 12/5/96 -0600, you wrote: >Hi: >I'm one of the rokies. >I'm mexican and live in Mexico City, I don't have a PC800 yet but I >realy fall in love when I see one in my country. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain= Cat ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 21:13:02 -0800 (PST) From: Johan Lai To: Ricardo Morell cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New Member Welcome to PC world! Not be confused w/ the magazine by the same name :) Mexico City's quite a drive from California. I'm sure there are ones on sale in San Diego. As a matter of fact, I just saw an 89 on display today at my local Honda dealer. It's got 12k miles on it and looks decent. Didn't catch the price though. I can call for you if you'd like. I'm about 2 hrs from the US/Mexico border. But I'm afraid I don't know any export rules. If you're serious about this one, send me private email and I'll do my best to help you out. That's unless you prefer a different color. There's a brand new 97 also. I'm almost afraid to ask what the price is. Cheers, Johan Lai Orange, CA '89 "Cassandra" On Thu, 5 Dec 1996, Ricardo Morell wrote: > Hi: > I'm one of the rokies. > I'm mexican and live in Mexico City, I don't have a PC800 yet but I > realy fall in love when I see one in my country. > Tow things guys: > Sorry for my english. > The second one is if you know how or who can import a PC800 to my > country, I'm very interested in one of this bikes... > Thaks for yor time and advaisors. > > Name: Ricardo Morell > Location: Mexico City > Email: rmorell@campus.cem.itesm.mx > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: rmorell@campus.cem.itesm.mx Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New Member From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 05 Dec 1996 23:32:32 -0600 Lines: 24 >>>>> "RM" == Ricardo Morell writes: RM> The second one is if you know how or who can import a PC800 to my RM> country, I'm very interested in one of this bikes... Hmmm. While I was in a local BMW shop drooling over really expensive K bikes a convoy of 9 ST1100s and 1 ZX9 pulled up. The shop said they were "the Mexican Connection" and sure enough they had ridden up from Mexico. All of the bikes had Mexican plates, so there must be a way to get bikes there, either by buying them in the US and riding them down, or finding a dealer there. Not having a map handy I can't recall how far Monterrey is from the border, or from, say, Ciudad de Mexico, so perhaps buying here riding it back is out of the question. Is there really no Honda dealer in Monterrey? I always thought it was a large city. Oh, and don't worry about apologizing for your English. It's much better than my Spanish, which is really a tragedy since I studied Spanish for nine years. Now whenever I try to speak Spanish, Japanese comes out. -- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 Fri, 6 Dec 1996 10:54:11 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: garyklim@snet.net From: Gordon Golder Subject: High altitude travel Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 10:54:11 +0000 Gary: When my bike was new back in '93 I rode the pc800 from Michigan across the upper US (US 2) to the Olympic Peninsula, down to San Francisco area, then back US 50, through mountains and at sea level. No problem with engine; never a miss. Performance was great! You know more about mechanical things than I do, but if I had had a problem I would have messed with the control knob next to the gas tank to try to smooth things out. Go for the Mountains!! Merry Christmas to all! Gordon ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 08:16:39 -0700 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: New Member Ricardo, I'd be happy to keep my eyes open for one in Albuquerque. I don't know about importing one, but I do know we frequently see convoys of used cars with temporary stickers heading for the border, like there are dealers that regularly import. Bob Clancy New Mexico ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 08:23:00 -0700 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: High altitude travel I haven't ridden a PC below 5200', but do know that there will be a performance loss with altitude due to the thin air, and the BEST you can do is adjust things to match the fuel to the air available. The bike would run 'cleaner', but would still be wimpy. Can someone who's been significantly beneath the plastic tell me if the PC has CV carbs? Don't they compensate for altitude, to some extent, at speeds above idle? Bob C. NM 06 Dec 1996 09:24:29 -0600 (MDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 09:24:29 -0600 (MDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by cc.usu.edu From: David Clark Subject: Re: New Member To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 08:04 PM 12/5/96 -0600, you wrote: >Hi: >I'm one of the rokies. >I'm mexican and live in Mexico City, I don't have a PC800 yet but I >realy fall in love when I see one in my country. >Tow things guys: >Sorry for my english. >The second one is if you know how or who can import a PC800 to my >country, I'm very interested in one of this bikes... >Thaks for yor time and advaisors. > >Name: Ricardo Morell >Location: Mexico City >Email: rmorell@campus.cem.itesm.mx > Ricardo, Try contacting Stefan Oscarson MOTOR ACTION USA 10199 Riverford Road, Suite A Lakeside, CA 92040 Ph./Fax: (619)258-8474 E-mail: goldwing@io-online.com Stefan exports goldwings to other countries. David Clark Logan, UT 95 PC800 - wifes - so I monitor the network for info 90 GL1500 mine bought 11/96 w/ 2K miles for $5500 included CB, helmet and headset, electric vest ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 09:05:20 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: High Altitude Operation At 08:31 PM 12/5/96 -0800, you wrote: >Having just recently returned from a down the left coast and back thru >the desert trip, I think I started to have problems at around 4500-5000 >feet. chattering, loss of power, and a generally nasty noise. Note >dangerous, & my mechanic says no permanent damage done. But damn, it >was annoying! Steve, Sounds like your PC is in need of a serious carb synch. or clean up. In our trip to WV we changed altitudes constantly and never had a single problem (other than the expected power loss, of course). Cory's has the re-jet mods, mine is stock. Maybe your mechanic should take a second look. For those members who are relatively new, the PC is quite sensitive to carburator synchronization. When it is within specs, ridability is much improved. Ricardo, this discussion should be of interest to you, since Mexico City is at 7,200'. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 12:16:12 CST by jarvis.ims.alaska.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id JAA05577 for ; Fri, 06 Dec 1996 09:11:02 -0900 (AKST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 09:11:02 -0900 (AKST) From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: High altitude travel To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 10:54 AM 12/6/96 +0000, you wrote: >... but if I had had a problem I would have messed >with the control knob next to the gas tank to try to smooth things out. Go >for the Mountains!! Gordon, the knob inside the gas door adjusts idle speed only, not the mixture ratio, which is what is affected with changes of altitude. >Merry Christmas to all! Thanks, same to you. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 13:24:24 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: 9312 CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: High altitude travel 9312 wrote: > Can someone who's been significantly beneath the plastic tell me if the PC has CV carbs? Yes indeed, it's got CV carbs. I discovered that Two Brothers Racing offers a jet kit for the PC. Their kits provide jet needles with 5 "c" clip positions. This might be just the thing for those on the list who actually live year round at those altitudes. ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and who's responsible for this snow? I want names! Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 13:36:53 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Jet Kit Here's the link to Two Brothers: http://www.twobros.com/ Sorry 'bout that. gk -- ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and lock your hubs! Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 12:29:35 -0700 (MST) To: "Juan A. Goula" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Re: High Altitude Operation At 09:05 12/6/96 -0900, Juan A. Goula wrote: >Sounds like your PC is in need of a serious carb synch. or clean up. >In our trip to WV we changed altitudes constantly and never had >a single problem (other than the expected power loss, of course). There isn't a single elevation in the entire state of WV that is anwhere near high enough to cause the kinds of problems that are being described in this thread. I can assure you, if you take any bike -- including those with well-synched carbs and brand new air filters -- above 6,000 feet, you'll notice a helluva difference. Gregg DesElms deselms@primenet.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 11:12:33 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: High Altitude Operation At 12:29 PM 12/6/96 -0700, Gregg L. DesElms wrote: >>Sounds like your PC is in need of a serious carb synch. or clean up. >>In our trip to WV we changed altitudes constantly and never had >>a single problem (other than the expected power loss, of course). > >There isn't a single elevation in the entire state of WV that is anwhere >near high enough to cause the kinds of problems that are being described in >this thread. I can assure you, if you take any bike -- including those with >well-synched carbs and brand new air filters -- above 6,000 feet, you'll >notice a helluva difference. Agreed, not in WV, but you certainly go through some high mountain passes on the way over from Alaska and back, like crossing the continental divide, for example. Power loss is to be expected, since there is less atmoshperic pressure, thus the combustion chambers get effectively less oxygen per unit volume. The only way to maintain full power would be to have a super- or turbocharged engine (artificial presurization)Bucking, spitting and chattering from a bike that has CV carbs has to be something else other than just altitude change. Trust me, I know all about high altitude operation of carburated vehicles. Snowmobiles are particularly sensitive to jetting vs. altitude vs. air temperature. It is not uncommon to have a rookie burn a hole in a piston because he/she forgot to re-jet on the way down the mountain. That's why my new sled is fuel injected :-) Ride safe! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sat, 7 Dec 1996 01:00:27 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu From: Gordon Golder Subject: White Christmas?? Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 01:00:27 +0000 Juan: Thanks for your good wishes. Here's wishing you a WHITE CHRISTMAS. Any chance you will miss one? Thanks for the info on the idle control. Not sure how high I got on the trip west when the bike was new, but never experienced a noticable loss of power even in the highest passes I went through. Checking the map I notice that Loveland Pass was 11992 ft, and Vail Pass was 10688 ft. This was the route that I took. Gordon ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 18:54:42 -0800 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 , Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: High Altitude Operation Ok, maybe it was higher up. I dunno. Where's the Nevada test site for the Stealth Bomber? It was on the dry side, coming up from Vegas to Reno. (I really gotta get the altimeter fixed....) -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 Honda PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Dec 96 23:11 PST From: julie@anthro.com (julie pipkin) ANTHRO: POWDER TEAM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: SOLD Hi gang, Just wanted to let everyone know that the '89 PC I posted on the list a couple of weeks ago for my friend Jim Fisher has been sold. I don't have any details on the sale but if anyone would like to know any specifics e-mail me directly and I will try and get the info. -- Thanks, Julie ********************************************************** Julie Pipkin E-mail (julie@anthro.com) Anthro Corp. Web (www.anthro.com) 10450 SW Manhasset Dr. Phone (503)691-2556 Tualatin, OR 97062 Fax (503)691-2409 ********************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 12:30:22 -0800 From: Dave To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: new 97 hi gang... just got back from the Honda shop and snaged a brochure on the 97 PC...hate to say it, but it looks great. The exposed front wheel makes the bike looks less 'Jetson-like', and more like a regular bike, and, sitting next to the ST1100, it looks great. The red/black scheme doesn't thrill me, but if it's priced right, they should sell a lot of them. I think I'll keep my '89 for awhile :>) dave gross www.halcyon.com/dkgross ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 7 Dec 96 19:37:01 EST From: Keith Sproul To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: I Just bought a '94 PC! I just got back from puchasing a 1994 Black & Silver PC-800 with 1900 miles! It also has some warranty left on it, so I feel I am in pretty good shape. I don't have possesion of the bike yet, but should have it before Christmas. I would like to thank all the people on this group for answering my many questions as I was trying to decide what to do. Keith Sproul ksproul@noc.rutgers.edu Keith Sproul Ham Radio: WU2Z Student Housing Network Coordinator ksproul@noc.rutgers.edu Rutgers University Computing Services 908 445-3695 Work 908 445-2968 Fax http://www-ns.rutgers.edu/~ksproul/ 908 821-4828 Home ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: dkgross@halcyon.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: new 97 From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy) Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 00:23:14 EST I was at the International Motorcycle Show in Anaheim today. The '97 was there with a price tag of $8,699. I like my "Glory Candy Apple Red" metallic much better. Also, as most of you know, the turn signals are not self-cancelling on the '97 - a feature that I appreciate. Richard Hardy, San Diego "Aka Neko" RAHardy@juno.com On Sat, 07 Dec 1996 12:30:22 -0800 Dave writes: >hi gang... > >just got back from the Honda shop and snaged a brochure on the 97 >PC...hate to say it, but it looks great. The exposed front wheel >makes >the bike looks less 'Jetson-like', and more like a regular bike, and, >sitting next to the ST1100, it looks great. The red/black scheme >doesn't thrill me, but if it's priced right, they should sell a lot of >them. > >I think I'll keep my '89 for awhile :>) > >dave gross >www.halcyon.com/dkgross >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 8 Dec 96 10:28:58 EST From: Keith Sproul To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Priority Plus Flash Unit I have seen several mentions of the Priority Plus Flash Unit in the archives. Can someone tell me where to buy one of these? Keith Keith Sproul Ham Radio: WU2Z Student Housing Network Coordinator ksproul@noc.rutgers.edu Rutgers University Computing Services 908 445-3695 Work 908 445-2968 Fax http://www-ns.rutgers.edu/~ksproul/ 908 821-4828 Home Sun, 8 Dec 1996 14:32:49 -0600 (CST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 14:26:54 -0600 From: Roberto To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Body O' Parts Dear Group, I am going to restore a '89 PC800. The front faring is damaged. Does anyone know of a place where I could get replacements without costing me an arm and a leg? I live at College Station, TX. Thank you, Robert Wheeler rww4694@acs.tamu.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 12:33:49 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Sid Liebes Subject: New Owner '97 PC800 Thank you. Postings by and responses from those of you on this PC800 list contributed to my decision to buy a '97 PC800 yesterday. Past experience: Rode Yamaha 250cc single-stroke for several years 30 years ago, with no experience since, other than just completed MSF RoadRider course, completed last weekend (at age 67). Question: What I find hardest is tight turns from start, or from walking speed. We had experience at this in the MSF course, but with much lighter bikes. The course had us lean, at rest, perhaps 15 degrees, with the handlebars rotated to the stop, then accelerate out. This magnitude lean seems a lot for bigger bike, and mishandling engine throttle and clutch slip portends more radical outcome. Wondering if you have any comment, or if its just a matter of practice? - Sid ps - It also is clear that when coming to rest with wheel turned with even gentle brake application, presents an stimulating challenge, reinforcing MSF admonition to avoid braking with wheel turned. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 15:50:35 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Sid Liebes CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: New Owner '97 PC800 Sid Liebes wrote: > Question: What I find hardest is tight turns from start, > or from walking speed. We had experience at this in the > MSF course, but with much lighter bikes. The course > had us lean, at rest, perhaps 15 degrees, with the > handlebars rotated to the stop, then accelerate out. > This magnitude lean seems a lot for bigger bike... Although I've been riding for nearly 26 years, I've never taught anyone how to ride. This is mostly due to the fact that I have a hard time trying to break down actions I do automatically into words. So lets break with tradition and I'll give this a shot. I believe the MSF exercise you describe is to try and instill balancing skills by trying to teach you how to turn from a dead stop without using your feet. The goal is to modulate throttle and clutch so as to make a smooth transition into motion without dabbing. While this technique could be applied to the PC-800, it's not a situation that occurs often in real life. Because the PC steers so easily (For its' size) here's what I suggest: Start forward motion with no lean and heading straight ahead, *then* immediately initiate your turn. I think you will find this easier and should go a long way to building confidence. gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and does anyone really read signature blocks? Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: cscales@haywire.csuhayward.edu Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 13:22:55 -0800 (PST) To: Sid Liebes Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New Owner '97 PC800 I took the msf course also. I noticed the same problem after I started riding around. Parking lots were...interesting! A crucial point that I discovered was this: for slow speed turning, shift your body in the opposite direction of the lean of the bike. As you shift your weight, you will feel the bike balance itself out. As with all things on a motorcycle, it doesn't take much to do a lot. I am now able to move smoothly through parking lots without all the excitement. Regarding starting around a corner, I ususally leave a few feet ahead of me when I stop before a corner. If you stop before the stop line or crosswalk lines that should be enough. Wehn you pull off, go straight to get your balance (which should only be a foot or so) then slow, look, lean, roll!!! I hope this makes sense. ______________________________________________________________________________ chris '89 pc800 2cats and not from Michigan ______________________________________________________________________________ On Sun, 8 Dec 1996, Sid Liebes wrote: > Thank you. > > Postings by and responses from those of you on this > PC800 list contributed to my decision to buy a '97 PC800 > yesterday. > > Past experience: Rode Yamaha 250cc single-stroke for > several years 30 years ago, with no experience since, > other than just completed MSF RoadRider course, completed > last weekend (at age 67). > > Question: What I find hardest is tight turns from start, > or from walking speed. We had experience at this in the > MSF course, but with much lighter bikes. The course > had us lean, at rest, perhaps 15 degrees, with the > handlebars rotated to the stop, then accelerate out. > This magnitude lean seems a lot for bigger bike, and > mishandling engine throttle and clutch slip portends more > radical outcome. Wondering if you have any comment, or > if its just a matter of practice? > > - Sid > > ps - It also is clear that when coming to rest with wheel > turned with even gentle brake application, presents an > stimulating challenge, reinforcing MSF admonition to > avoid braking with wheel turned. > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 14:56:15 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Sid Liebes Subject: Re: New Owner '97 PC800 Thanks, Gary. Coincidentally, today (day 2) I found myself automatically trying your suggestion. It is clear that it works fine. The MSF instructor cited as the value of starting with the handlebar cranked to the stop the accomplishment of a minimum radius turn, in entering roadway from sharp-cornered driveway or shopping center, and ending up well within closest lane. - Sid At 03:50 PM 12/8/96 -0500, you wrote: >Sid Liebes wrote: > >> Question: What I find hardest is tight turns from start, >> or from walking speed. We had experience at this in the >> MSF course, but with much lighter bikes. The course >> had us lean, at rest, perhaps 15 degrees, with the >> handlebars rotated to the stop, then accelerate out. >> This magnitude lean seems a lot for bigger bike... > >Although I've been riding for nearly 26 years, I've never taught anyone >how to ride. This is mostly due to the fact that I have a hard time >trying to break down actions I do automatically into words. So lets >break with tradition and I'll give this a shot. > >I believe the MSF exercise you describe is to try and instill balancing >skills by trying to teach you how to turn from a dead stop without using >your feet. The goal is to modulate throttle and clutch so as to make a >smooth transition into motion without dabbing. > >While this technique could be applied to the PC-800, it's not a >situation that occurs often in real life. Because the PC steers so >easily (For its' size) here's what I suggest: > >Start forward motion with no lean and heading straight ahead, *then* >immediately initiate your turn. I think you will find this easier and >should go a long way to building confidence. > >gk >________________________________________________________________________ >'96 PC, 2 Cats and does anyone really read signature blocks? >Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut >________________________________________________________________________ > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 14:59:56 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Sid Liebes Subject: Re: New Owner '97 PC800 Chris, it makes excellent "sense." I appreciate the feedback. - Sid At 01:22 PM 12/8/96 -0800, you wrote: >I took the msf course also. I noticed the same problem after I started >riding around. Parking lots were...interesting! A crucial point that I >discovered was this: for slow speed turning, shift your body in >the >opposite direction of the lean of the bike. As you shift your weight, you >will feel the bike balance itself out. As with all things on a >motorcycle, it doesn't take much to do a lot. I am now able to move >smoothly through parking lots without all the excitement. > Regarding starting around a corner, I ususally leave a few feet ahead of >me when I stop before a corner. If you stop before the stop line or >crosswalk lines that should be enough. Wehn you pull off, go straight to >get your balance (which should only be a foot or so) then slow, look, >lean, roll!!! > >I hope this makes sense. > >______________________________________________________________________________ > >chris '89 pc800 >2cats and not from Michigan > >______________________________________________________________________________ >On Sun, 8 Dec 1996, Sid Liebes wrote: > >> Thank you. >> >> Postings by and responses from those of you on this >> PC800 list contributed to my decision to buy a '97 PC800 >> yesterday. >> >> Past experience: Rode Yamaha 250cc single-stroke for >> several years 30 years ago, with no experience since, >> other than just completed MSF RoadRider course, completed >> last weekend (at age 67). >> >> Question: What I find hardest is tight turns from start, >> or from walking speed. We had experience at this in the >> MSF course, but with much lighter bikes. The course >> had us lean, at rest, perhaps 15 degrees, with the >> handlebars rotated to the stop, then accelerate out. >> This magnitude lean seems a lot for bigger bike, and >> mishandling engine throttle and clutch slip portends more >> radical outcome. Wondering if you have any comment, or >> if its just a matter of practice? >> >> - Sid >> >> ps - It also is clear that when coming to rest with wheel >> turned with even gentle brake application, presents an >> stimulating challenge, reinforcing MSF admonition to >> avoid braking with wheel turned. >> >> >> >> -- >> Visit the PC800 web page at >> To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >> message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >> To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >> > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 16:17:16 -0800 From: Dave To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New Owner '97 PC800 one of the main things you can learn is proper weight shifting. and the little 'knee/foot' trick...you want to go right. ok. PUSH with your LEFT knee against the tank..at the same time, pust DOWN on the RIGHT handlebar lightly, and DOWN with your right foot. let the gyroscopic aspects of the bike do the rest. and don't forget to LOOK THROUGH the turn, not down at the road! ride safely! dave ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 17:13:05 -0700 From: Alexander Gray To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: 97 JPG Does anyone have a JPG or GIF of the new 97 pc? Please send it to me, I really want to see this bike. I still think I like the Black one the best! :) -- Alexander D. Gray in Flagstaff, Arizona Texas Tech University.......Southern Methodist University 94 Honda Pacific Coast HSTA #6862 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 16:44:20 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Sid Liebes Subject: Re: New Owner '97 PC800 Thanks, Dave, for replying. A couple of things: 1) There is minimal gyro effet in the case at hand, as the speed of the bike is minimal. 2) Torquing clockwise about the forward pointing vector for the bike, which is what you are recommending, will cause the handlebars to turn to the right. The rationale for recommending this is not clear to me. The torque imparted to the front wheel gyro by pushing the right grip forward at higher speed enhances the tilt of the bike to the right (and vice versa). I have not encountered your recommendation before. - Sid At 04:17 PM 12/8/96 -0800, you wrote: >one of the main things you can learn is proper weight shifting. and the >little 'knee/foot' trick...you want to go right. ok. PUSH with your >LEFT knee against the tank..at the same time, pust DOWN on the RIGHT >handlebar lightly, and DOWN with your right foot. let the gyroscopic >aspects of the bike do the rest. and don't forget to LOOK THROUGH the >turn, not down at the road! > >ride safely! > >dave >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 16:58:49 -0800 From: Dave To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New Owner '97 PC800 Sid Liebes wrote: > > Thanks, Dave, for replying. A couple of things: > > 1) There is minimal gyro effet in the case at hand, as > the speed of the bike is minimal. > > 2) Torquing clockwise about the forward pointing vector > for the bike, which is what you are recommending, will > cause the handlebars to turn to the right. The rationale > for recommending this is not clear to me. > > The torque imparted to the front wheel gyro by pushing the > right grip forward at higher speed enhances the tilt of > the bike to the right (and vice versa). I have not > encountered your recommendation before. hhmm...maybe I didn't explain it right :>) It's just the way I turn. I tend to always put my opposite knee into a turn, along with pushing down slightly on the handlebar into the direction of the turn...something I remembered from my MSF teacher: "Push down and lean into the direction of the turn." I find that the PC requires very little actual 'turning or steering' of the handlebar...then again, I've got Metlzer ML2's and Progressive Springs..makes for a significanlty stiffer ride! dave ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 8 Dec 96 20:33:18 EST From: Keith Sproul To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC-800 Modifications List As I was trying to decide what type of bike to get, I went though a lot of the PC-800 mail archives and learned a lot of interesting things. Now that I have actually purchased one (See previously posted message) I wanted to go find some of the stuff I had glanced thru.. In the process of doing this, I realized that I was going thru the same files over and over tying to find stuff. SOOOO... I decided to put together a Web Page with all of the modifications in one place.. I hope that the keeper-of-the-web will put this at his site so it is along with the REST of the PC-800 web stuff.. In the mean time, check out http://www-no.rutgers.edu/~ksproul/PC800mods.html This is a list of descriptions on how to do different things to the PC-800. I have added follow-up information to the original postings where I could find it and felt that it was appropriate. If there are other messages/descriptions of things to do to this bike, either send me the text, or if it is in the archives and I overlooked it, tell me which month/year it is in and what the topic is and I will find it and add it to this list. (I ended up down loading ALL 12meg of the archives, which made this job MUCH easier) Keith Sproul Keith Sproul Ham Radio: WU2Z Student Housing Network Coordinator ksproul@noc.rutgers.edu Rutgers University Computing Services 908 445-3695 Work 908 445-2968 Fax http://www-ns.rutgers.edu/~ksproul/ 908 821-4828 Home ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 17:32:48 +0000 From: Jon Berman To: Keith Sproul CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Priority Plus Flash Unit Keith Sproul wrote: > > I have seen several mentions of the Priority Plus Flash Unit in the archives. > Can someone tell me where to buy one of these? > > Keith > > Keith Sproul Ham Radio: WU2Z > Student Housing Network Coordinator ksproul@noc.rutgers.edu > Rutgers University Computing Services 908 445-3695 Work 908 445-2968 Fax > http://www-ns.rutgers.edu/~ksproul/ 908 821-4828 Home > -- Hi Keith, I installed the regular Priority Lites (made by SOS) on my '93 CB750 Nighthawk with excellent results. I bought mine mail-order through Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse (1-800-241-2222) for about $30.00. I believe the Priority Plus unit is about $50.00. The difference is that the "Plus" unit flashes the brakes lights several times when you activate the brake system and then goes steady until the brake is released. I've had mine on for about 5 months now and notice that cars behind me are usually no longer tailgating. Also, cars tend to stop further behind me at stops too. Maybe it does make a difference?? Good luck, JON.. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 00:19:00 -0500 To: ksproul@hardees.rutgers.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: I Just bought a '94 PC! Congrats Keith but your not playing fair. How much??????? Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 00:20:21 -0500 To: rww4694@acs.tamu.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Body O' Parts What do you mean "restore"? How bad off is the beast? Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:20:33 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New Owner '97 PC800 Hi Sid: Congratulations on your completion of the MRC:RSS and your purchase of a new PC. Both should afford you an enjoyable riding experience. With respect to the technique you learned in the course for turning from a stop, it is more difficult to hold the weight of a big machine, especially if you do it in the "one-step-at-a-time" sequence they used during the range exercise to make sure the components of the technique become clear. With a little practice and the confidence that comes with it, the technique becomes a fluid sequence in which you spend very little time supporting the weight before you start moving. Oh yes, either they taught it wrong or you misinterpreted what they were trying to say, but the technique doesn't necessarily involve turning the steering to the lock. The steering should be turned only enough to be consistent with the amount of lean needed to track the turn. Essentially, that is at the "zero-trail" point where the steering neither wants to turn further into the turn nor back toward center. When the bike isn't moving, there is some contact-patch friction that restricts this natural tendency to find the right steering angle for the lean, but with a little help from you, it will seek the correct angle. The sure-fire way of telling whether you have the right steering angle is to notice what the bike does when you first start moving. If it tries to stand up, you have too much steering angle; if it tries to fall in, you have too little steering angle. When it is just right, the bike will simply track the turn smoothly as you accelerate. An aside regarding your discussion with Dave regarding whether you should press downward or forward on the grip to get the big to lean: Your analysis is correct. The gyroscopic effects are negligible at very low speeds (in fact, they account for only 10% to 15% of the roll-inducing torque at any speed. The bulk of the so-called "counter steering" effect comes from the inertial reaction to the out tracking) And the only effective steering pressure is the forward pressure. Pressing down will do little if anything, which is good because--as you point out--it will result in a steering deflection in the wrong direction. I'm not sure when Dave's MSF instructor was trained, but it sounds like he or she needs to get to an update or refresher. In the distant past, some of the training materials used words like "outward and downward pressure" when describing the technique, but this was simply inaccurate. It was really describing the motion of the hand grip rather than the direction of the hand pressure required. The current materials don't really say in which direction to apply the pressure. The instructor is supposed to know and to teach that it is forward pressure. Oops! I'm leaving myself open again for a bit of roasting for excessively long-winded posts. Sorry guys; I've had it looked at, but the docs say there isn't anything to be done. I'll just have to try to grow out of it :) Enjoy! JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 08:09:13 -0800 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Down vs. Out Communications is a wonderful thing. English is our 1st language. I think we're all on the same sheet of music, just in a different key! :) Dave & I took the same basic course in FL. "forward" on the handlebar. "down" on the footpeg on the same side that you want to turn (while bringing the other knee into the tank). Works much better swooping thru gentle curves (for me anyway) I also tend to start a turn from a dead stop going straight, then lean into the turn. I probably should get myself to a parking lot and practice some more. On a more cheery note, is there a consensus as to which day is best for the Motorcycle show in Jan? We may get a 2 day pass..... -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 Honda PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Chrchlls2@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 14:47:01 -0500 To: rahardy@juno.com cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Local boy wants to meet On your Sig Block you note San Diego. I'm in Carlsbad and would like to get together with some other PC's. There is a group in Orange County but they tend to have their rides and hour's ride north of here to start. Get back with me and we'll coordinate a local ride and maybe we can get some interest or others. SAC '89PC 35k and counting ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Estes, Cory S" To: "'PC 800 List'" Subject: He's baaaaak. Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:24:30 -0500 Greetings to all of you old friends on the list. Finally got around to getting back into things. The only difference is that now I'm in Ohio rather than Alaska......... THANK GOD! Best wishes to all of you. **************************************************************** Cory S. Estes* *Motorcycle Adventurist '89 Honda Pacific Coast(Millenium Turtle) *Observer of Humanity '90 Honda GB-500 *Lover of Life '94 Chevy S-10 P-Up (Turtle 2) **************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 12:39:19 -0800 From: Johan Lai To: Chrchlls2@aol.com Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Local boy wants to meet Chrchlls2@aol.com wrote: > > On your Sig Block you note San Diego. I'm in Carlsbad and would like to get > together with some other PC's. There is a group in Orange County but they > tend to have their rides and hour's ride north of here to start.... Steve & Richard, We'll be going back to Mt. Palomar in January to celebrate our first gathering :) At the time, it was just Steve Schiboula, Harrison Spain, and myself. It sure would be neat to get a picture of 7 PC's together at the same spot where we took the first picture. Phil Lewis is organizing that ride so he'll blast out more info (probably after the holidays). Also, we've kicked around the idea of going up to No. Cal so see our distant cousin PC'ers up there over the next summer. Or at least a run to Las Vegas or Laughlin. Keep your schedules open :) Cheers, Johan Lai Orange, CA '89 "Cassandra" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Estes, Cory S" To: "'PC 800 List'" Subject: RE: He's baaaaak. Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:59:59 -0500 Are you kidding? I just got a msg from Juan today saying it's TOO COLD to ride his snowmachine. That brought back some memories, man. The best part about living in Alaska was my friends there, I miss them bunches! **************************************************************** Cory S. Estes* *Motorcycle Adventurist '89 Honda Pacific Coast(Millenium Turtle) *Observer of Humanity '90 Honda GB-500 *Lover of Life '94 Chevy S-10 P-Up (Turtle 2) **************************************************************** >---------- >From: Vince Santamaria[SMTP:vsantam@eccrs.edison.cc.fl.us] >Sent: Monday, December 09, 1996 3:44 PM >To: Estes, Cory S >Subject: Re: He's baaaaak. > >Welcome back. Boy, Alaska must be bad if you are glad to be in Ohio. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 12:56:51 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Dave Lott Subject: CycleShow - San Mateo 12/13 To those in the SFO area: I will making a cross country journey (unfortunately by air and not by PC) for a business meeting in San Jose on Thursday. I saw that the International Cycle Show was scheduled to be at the San Mateo Convention Center from 12/13 - 15. Since I lose the whole day flying back, I thought I would change my schedule to a late afternoon flight if the show opened in the morning. Does anyone in the area have the show hours on Friday? I really enjoyed the show when it came to Atlanta, but this is the second year they have skipped Atlanta and this will be my best chance to see it. Any help would be appreciated. Ride as if your life depended upon it, Dave Lott Marietta, GA 1989 PC ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 13:35:34 -0800 To: Chrchlls2@aol.com, PC800 Mailing List From: "Russell C. Jackson" Subject: Re: Local boy wants to meet Richard, There is a group that meets once a month around Temecula, but don't have the piece of paper with me to type in the exact local for you right now. Maybe someone else on the list will be so kind as to fill in the local since I won't be able to get my piece of paper until this weekend. Rusty At 02:47 PM 12/9/96 -0500, you wrote: >On your Sig Block you note San Diego. I'm in Carlsbad and would like to get >together with some other PC's. There is a group in Orange County but they >tend to have their rides and hour's ride north of here to start. Get back >with me and we'll coordinate a local ride and maybe we can get some interest >or others. >SAC '89PC 35k and counting >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ====================================== Russell C. Jackson - Software Engineer rjackson@wrightstrat.com -------------------------------------- Wright Strategies 2223 Avenida de la Playa La Jolla, CA 92037 619-551-6808 ====================================== ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 15:18:52 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: Grip Warmers To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu OK, I know we have talked about it before, but someone needs to get me a last minute x-mas gift :-). What are the recommended grip warmers? I gotta know fast before she (mom) buys the wrong kind. Chris Klass 95 PC800 ...and loving it! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 19:49:19 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Just Another Fiche Story... Just a reminder to all list members that I have a microfiche reader and will gladly provide Honda part numbers and/or Honda codes for 1989 thru 1996 PCs. As we now have at least one owner of a 1997 PC on the list (and more to come, I'll wager) I will order the microfiche for the 1997 PC. (One of the few Honda parts that is reasonably priced - $5) I also have the factory service manual and the Honda Common Service manual. For those of you who suffer from insomnia, might I recommend the 24 pages that outline in painful detail how to remove all the various body panels...ZZZZZzzzzzz gk -- ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats, 1 generator, an ice pick, 2 snow shovels, 1 snow blower, and is it spring yet? Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 09 Dec 96 20:20:08 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: new 97 Dave Gross wrote: >just got back from the Honda shop and snaged a brochure on the 97 >PC...hate to say it, but it looks great. The exposed front wheel makes >the bike looks less 'Jetson-like', and more like a regular bike, and, ... If I wanted a "regular" bike, I'd have bought one! Long live the weirdo front fender! Actually, some of you may recall my post a few months back about the 89 pearl PC being the perfect motorcycle, thereby offending the Gods of Motorcycling and forcing Honda to do penance by making future PC's in less "pure" colors. The front fender removal is just another sign that Honda's penance continueth ... The Gods obviously won't be appeased until our beloved scooter-on-steroids/Tupperware-bike/soap-dish/Jetson-bike looks like just another UJM . . . :) >I think I'll keep my '89 for awhile :>) Amen, Brother! Steve S. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 21:49:51 +0000 From: "E.Y. MurphEY" To: "Estes, Cory S" CC: "'PC 800 List'" Subject: Re: He's baaaaak. wel come on back glad to see that you survived the move now if you can just take the flat land and wet rains -- E.Y. MurphEY... ey@forum.swarthmore.edu Math Ed. Haverford School District voice:610-259-9861 (h) 610-853-5900 x3978 Fax:610-789-1445 '94 PC-800 DoD# 8119 AMA#3425444 [lifer] HSTA#6485su HRCA#HM211432 Within everything is the seed of its apparent contradiction. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 20:48:54 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: new 97 Steve Schibuola wrote: > If I wanted a "regular" bike, I'd have bought one! Long live the weirdo front > fender! We '96 and earlier owners can take comfort in the knowledge that we won't be using valuable riding time cleaning bugs, birds and assorted road debris from our radiators and/or calipers. Add another "Amen" for those who've gone the extra mile and bought the optional mud-flap. :) What next? Detachable hard luggage? Shim under bucket valve adjustment? That's right folks, our PC will someday de-evolve into an ST-800... gk ________________________________________________________________________ 65 Ducati Cadet 100 66 Ducati Monza 250 74 Kawasaki 90 73 Yamaha RD-350 77 Honda MR-175 82 Honda XR-500R 81 Suzuki GS-450E 82 Suzuki GS-750T 90 Honda GT-650 91 Honda Nighthawk 750 94 Honda CBR-600 F2 84 Honda Nighthawk 650 94 Yamaha XT-350 94 Honda CB-1000 Happiness at last - 1996 Honda PC-800 Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 17:55:43 -0800 To: PC800 Mailing List From: "Russell C. Jackson" Subject: Re: He's baaaaak. What other type of rain is there? ;) Sorry, I couldn't resist that after riding in the rain for an hour this morning. Rusty At 09:49 PM 12/9/96 +0000, you wrote: >wel come on back >glad to see that you survived the move >now if you can just take the flat land and wet rains > ^^^ >-- >E.Y. MurphEY... ey@forum.swarthmore.edu >Math Ed. Haverford School District >voice:610-259-9861 (h) 610-853-5900 x3978 Fax:610-789-1445 >'94 PC-800 >DoD# 8119 AMA#3425444 [lifer] HSTA#6485su HRCA#HM211432 >Within everything is the seed of its apparent contradiction. >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ====================================== Russell C. Jackson - Software Engineer rjackson@wrightstrat.com -------------------------------------- Wright Strategies 2223 Avenida de la Playa La Jolla, CA 92037 619-551-6808 ====================================== ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TRA1966@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 00:10:51 -0500 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: New Member... Okay...here's all the personal info: Name: Tim Adams Location: Morton, IL E-mail: TRA1966@AOL.COM PC Model Year: 1989 Bought Used/New: Used (had 17,9xx miles when purchased from Niehaus Cycle Sales in Litchfield, IL in August of 1996.) Modifications made to bike: The bike has had some mods made to it before I bought it. Specifically, it has the Hondaline (Kenwood) radio with the controls mounted on the bar, and the factory passenger backrest. Hopefully before winter is over, there will be a trunk light kit installed. Experience notes: The dealer had to do some work on a noise that was coming from the rear of the bike in the suspension area. I didn't get all the details on the fix, but it involved welding something that wasn't welded properly at the factory. I had to replace the nitrogen gas pressurized shock/strut that holds the trunk lid open. And...in September, I had to replace the front and rear crash protectors, and the mirror, all on the left side...after sliding seven feet on the oil-and-chip road (10 feet from my own driveway). This was the third PC800 that I had looked at. The first is still for sale, and has been since last April of '96. The owner didn't take my original offer of $3500 for his 20,xxx mile '89 model that had a Corbin seat and the wider windshield. He wanted $4500. It's now listed in the local paper for $3500. The second bike was an '89 with the radio, and the owner still wants $5600 for it (with 20,xxx plus miles). Of note, I rode the first one, and looked it over very carefully. It had duct tape over a hole in the trunk, on the inner panel on the left side. The one I bought has an aluminum plate riveted to the same panel in about the same area. The dealer didn't know anything about this. The bike has almost 21,xxx miles on it now, and I love it. I'm really hating this winter weather, as the last time I rode was the first week in November. ---Tim ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Cory.Estes@88ABW.WPAFB.AF.MIL Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: He's baaaaak. From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 01:10:45 EST Welcome back, Corey!!! Richard Hardy, San Diego "Aka Neko" RAHardy@juno.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: jlai@filenet.com Cc: Chrchlls2@aol.com, PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Local boy wants to meet From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 01:10:46 EST Thanks for the invite, Johann, but I'll be heading for Maine in the cage this eekend and won't return until near the end of January. Will look for you on the list, then. >Steve & Richard, > >We'll be going back to Mt. Palomar in January to celebrate our first >gathering :) >At the time, it was just Steve Schiboula, Harrison Spain, and myself. >It sure >would be neat to get a picture of 7 PC's together at the same spot >where>we took >the first picture. Phil Lewis is organizing that ride so he'll blast >out more >info (probably after the holidays). Also, we've kicked around the >idea>of >going up to No. Cal so see our distant cousin PC'ers up there over the >next >summer. Or at least a run to Las Vegas or Laughlin. Keep your >schedules open :) > >Cheers, >Johan Lai >Orange, CA >'89 "Cassandra" >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: TRA1966@aol.com Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New Member... From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 10 Dec 1996 00:15:36 -0600 Lines: 13 Welcome aboard! >>>>> "T" == TRA1966 writes: T> Of note, I rode the first one, and looked it over very carefully. It T> had duct tape over a hole in the trunk, on the inner panel on the left T> side. The one I bought has an aluminum plate riveted to the same panel T> in about the same area. The dealer didn't know anything about this. Hmmm. Is this the '89 rear tire rubthrough problem? I can't think of anything else that it might be, if it's in the right place. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 01:50:15 -0800 From: PILEWIS1 To: ksproul@hardees.Rutgers.EDU CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Priority Lights > Keith Sproul wrote: > > > > I have seen several mentions of the Priority Plus Flash Unit in the archives. > > Can someone tell me where to buy one of these? > > > > Keith > > > > Keith Sproul Ham Radio: WU2Z > > Student Housing Network Coordinator ksproul@noc.rutgers.edu > > Rutgers University Computing Services 908 445-3695 Work 908 445-2968 Fax > > http://www-ns.rutgers.edu/~ksproul/ 908 821-4828 Home > > -- Hi Keith, I have a '90 PC800, with the "Firefly" light system. It was already installed on my bike when I bought it. The dealer, Huntington Beach Honda, Southern California, has them for sale for about $30. It's a small box, about 1" x 2" x 3", and fits right behind your brake lights. I think it works in a similar way to the priority lights; I get alternating left and right flashing, then both flashing, followed by steady brake lights. If you can't find the firefly in your area, I'd be happy to send you one. Phil Lewis ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 02:02:47 -0800 From: PILEWIS1 To: Chrchlls2@aol.com, PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Local boy wants to meet Johan Lai wrote: > > Chrchlls2@aol.com wrote: > > > > On your Sig Block you note San Diego. I'm in Carlsbad and would like to get > > together with some other PC's. There is a group in Orange County but they > > tend to have their rides and hour's ride north of here to start.... > > Steve & Richard, > > We'll be going back to Mt. Palomar in January to celebrate our first > gathering :) > At the time, it was just Steve Schiboula, Harrison Spain, and myself. > It sure > would be neat to get a picture of 7 PC's together at the same spot where > we took > the first picture. Phil Lewis is organizing that ride so he'll blast > out more > info (probably after the holidays). Also, we've kicked around the idea > of > going up to No. Cal so see our distant cousin PC'ers up there over the > next > summer. Or at least a run to Las Vegas or Laughlin. Keep your > schedules open :) > > Cheers, > Johan Lai > Orange, CA > '89 "Cassandra" > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Hi Steve and Richard, As Johan was saying, on the Mt. Palomar ride, I was planning starting at Capistrano and heading over Ortega, and then winding our way up to Palomar. This will be in January. Let me know if that would interest you. If that's a little too far, maybe we can start from a different point. It's fun thinking of more and more PC's riding in formation. See Ya' later, Phil Lewis ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Estes, Cory S" To: "'PC 800 List'" Subject: RE: new 97 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 08:04:43 -0500 > >>>The exposed front wheel makes the bike looks less 'Jetson-like', and more >>>>>like a regular bike, and, ... > >>If I wanted a "regular" bike, I'd have bought one! Long live the weirdo >>front >>fender! > >>Actually, some of you may recall my post a few months back about the 89 >>>pearl PC being the perfect motorcycle, thereby offending the Gods of >Motorcycling and forcing Honda to do penance by making future PC's in >>less >"pure" colors. The front fender removal is just another sign that >>Honda's >penance continueth ...The Gods obviously won't be appeased until >>our beloved >>scooter-on-steroids/Tupperware-bike/soap-dish/Jetson-bike looks like just >>another UJM . . . :) Guess this makes me right in the middle (as usual). Of course, everybody knows that the ONLY TRUE PC is white......but, I've never liked the wierd front fender. Has nothing to do w/ looking like a "normal" bike........has to do w/ liking to see the brake rotors. >>>I think I'll keep my '89 for awhile :>) > >>Amen, Brother! Amen, amen, and again, amen. Preach it Brother! **************************************************************** Cory S. Estes* *Motorcycle Adventurist '89 Honda Pacific Coast(Millenium Turtle) *Observer of Humanity '90 Honda GB-500 *Lover of Life '94 Chevy S-10 P-Up (Turtle 2) **************************************************************** > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Estes, Cory S" To: "'PC 800 List'" Subject: RE: He's baaaaak. Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 08:07:30 -0500 >EY wrote: > >>wel come on back >>glad to see that you survived the move >>now if you can just take the flat land and wet rains No problem w/ flat land, EY. I just head south to Kentucky! The day God created that state he was ridin' His PC. **************************************************************** Cory S. Estes* *Motorcycle Adventurist '89 Honda Pacific Coast(Millenium Turtle) *Observer of Humanity '90 Honda GB-500 *Lover of Life '94 Chevy S-10 P-Up (Turtle 2) **************************************************************** > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 08:35:21 -0500 (EST) From: Barry Shaffer Subject: Re: He's baaaaak. To: "Estes, Cory S" cc: "'PC 800 List'" Glad to have you back! On Mon, 9 Dec 1996, Estes, Cory S wrote: > Greetings to all of you old friends on the list. Finally got around to > getting back into things. The only difference is that now I'm in Ohio > rather than Alaska......... > > THANK GOD! > > Best wishes to all of you. > > **************************************************************** > Cory S. Estes* > *Motorcycle Adventurist '89 Honda Pacific Coast(Millenium > Turtle) > *Observer of Humanity '90 Honda GB-500 > *Lover of Life '94 Chevy S-10 P-Up > (Turtle 2) > **************************************************************** > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Barry Shaffer (716) 679-3185 Grape Farm Mgmt.Specialist Fax (716) 679-3122 412 E. Main St. email:bshaffer@cce.cornell.edu Fredonia, NY 14063 CENET:bshaffer ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Estes, Cory S" To: "'PC 800 List'" Subject: PC Mods report.....finally. Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 08:53:54 -0500 Long ago and in a state far away............. I promised I'd give a general review of how the Turtle works w/ the front suspension mods and carb jetting. Back in May I had Progressive Suspension fork springs installed when the fork seals were replaced. At that time I also had the fork tubes raised 3/4" in the triple clamps. I also had the carbs re-jetted. The fork mods were the best thing I ever could have done to the bike. I've now been able to live w/ this set up in various types of riding; from heavily packed long distance (and I mean looooooooong!) combat touring, to commuting, to relatively serious sport riding. I've also been able to switch back and forth between my PC, one that has the springs without the raised tubes, and one that's completely stock. The difference between stock and just springs is noticeable, though not a huge difference. (The stock PC had relatively low mileage so its springs weren't clapped out yet.) In my opinion the biggest difference comes in with the small change in geometry. The handling is much closer to being flickable like a sport bike. I've noticed no other ill or adverse effects. I like it! In all fairness though, I must add this: YMMV. Juan rode mine and prefers his stock bike, so what works for me may not work for you. As far as the carb mods go, I'm less happy w/ that deal. I'm not unhappy w/ the mod, it's just not as impressive as the suspension. It does warm up quicker, is VERY responsive through all RPM ranges, and, in my opinion, worth doing. On our trip I figured I was getting a regular 3 MPG less than Juan was. In normal day-to-day riding the mileage doesn't seem that different. When it comes to the sporty riding, up at 75-80 MPH or higher (not that I'd ever do that! ;'} ) it seems like you can almost watch the gas gauge drop! Don't know what the mileage is, as somehow, I haven't gotten around to getting that new speedo cable on yet! So, friends that's it. I like the way it works. Would I do it again? Yes! If I don't defect to the ST-1100 ranks (or the K1200RS =:-0 ranks!) any time soon I've got to do something about those rear shocks.............. Later, **************************************************************** Cory S. Estes* *Motorcycle Adventurist '89 Honda Pacific Coast(Millennium Turtle) *Observer of Humanity '90 Honda GB-500 *Lover of Life '94 Chevy S-10 P-Up (Turtle 2) **************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 08:12:55 -0800 From: Dave To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC Mods report.....finally. cory... I agree about the Progressive Springs being the best thing I've done to the bike...I think switching to Metlzer ML2's was the next best thing. AND, I agree about the carb re-jetting. I enjoy the smoothness more, and it feel's a tad more 'peppy', but at higher speeds, the gas milage just plain sucks. glad to have ya back..see my www page below for LOTS of PC photos :>) ----- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, AKC http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 09:13:21 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: Re: Grip Warmers To: rnielsen@isd.net (Ray Nielsen), pc800@hpc.uh.edu RAY SAID: "Hot Grips are the brand name -- they sell two kinds; one set is 7/8" on each end for snowmobiles, the other is 7/8" and 1" and fits motorcycles. While the installation instructions insist on slow curing epoxy, they will work with high temp silicone sealer/glue. Be sure if you use silicone rubber (RTV or room temperature vulcanizing) that you wait long enough for complete curing. I'd suggest at least 48 hours -- if you can still smell the acetic acid (vindegary smell) wait some more! On a PC you can install the three position switch in the back edge of the left fairing pocket and put the dropping resistor below that by RTVing it to the top frame tube nearby. The wiring fits inside the handlebar covers, but you'll need to disassemble them to install it. Good luck, ride warm!" Thanks Ray Chris Klass ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 08:48:01 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: New Member... At 12:10 AM 12/10/96 -0500, you wrote: >Name: Tim Adams Welcome Tim! >Location: Morton, IL >Experience notes: The dealer had to do some work on a noise that was coming >from the rear of the bike in the suspension area. I didn't get all the >details on the fix, but it involved welding something that wasn't welded >properly at the factory. Was this noise a "knocking" sound every time you rode over a sharp bump? If so I'd be interested in the details, especially since my warranty expires this summer. Thanks in advance. The second bike was an '89 with the radio, and the owner still wants >$5600 for it (with 20,xxx plus miles). What planet is that guy from? >Of note, I rode the first one, and >looked it over very carefully. It had duct tape over a hole in the trunk, on >the inner panel on the left side. The one I bought has an aluminum plate >riveted to the same panel in about the same area. The dealer didn't know >anything about this. Check on the web page archive for "trunk liner wear-through". It will open your eyes! :-( Do you know what your rear tire is? It could be the wrong size. Ride safe and enjoy your PC! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 08:50:46 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Grip Warmers At 09:13 AM 12/10/96 +0000, you wrote: >RAY SAID: >On a PC you can install the three position switch in the back edge of the >left fairing pocket and put the dropping resistor below that by RTVing it to >the top frame tube nearby. The wiring fits inside the handlebar covers, but >you'll need to disassemble them to install it. A note on the resistor. The thing gets _hot_, so make sure you put it where the airstream will carry away the heat, and watch out for wires and plastic nearby. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Chrchlls2@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 12:53:10 -0500 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC mods web site I have had some trouble connecting with the modification web site,i.e. can't connect. Please confirm the address is: http//www-no.rutgers.edu/~ksproul/PC800mods.html SAC '89PC 35k and counting ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 11:27:55 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: Fork Mods To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > THIS IS A MESSAGE IN 'MIME' FORMAT. Your mail reader may not support MIME. > Some parts of this will be readable as plain text. > To see the rest, you may need to upgrade your mail reader. What does the fork mod do? Does it raise or lower the front end? I assume it lowers it. Is it noticable? Does it put more weight on your arms? How tall are you?(don't get cute, I am just comparing the riding positions) Does this affect the ride quality? Do you have a K&N air filter? Thanks Chris Klass le? Does it put more weight on your arms? How tall are you?(don't get c= ute, I am just comparing the riding positions) Does this affect the ride= quality?=0D =5Cpar =0D =5Cpar Do you have a K&N air filter?=0D =5Cpar =0D =5Cpar Thanks=0D =5Cpar =0D =5Cpar Chris Klass=5Cplain=5Cf2=5Cfs20=5Cb =0D =5Cpar =7D=0D =00= for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 21:58:21 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gordon Golder Subject: $6495 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 21:58:21 +0000 Gang: Was by a local Honda dealer today. He had a black '94 pc800 for sale at an asking price of $6495. It has about 7500 miles on it. The dealer is on Plainfield in Grand Rapids, MI. BTW, I'm looking for a good rainsuit for around $100. Suggestions? Gordon. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 13:21:04 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Help! Quickee post to see if Eric Evans of Abilene, TX is out there. I sent a response to your e-mail, Eric, and it bounced back at me! I can only surmise that I goofed on the address, and unfortunately I've deleted your post. If you're out there, Eric, holler back and I'll see what happened... Tim Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com '94 PC - 36K ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 17:29:09 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Cheryl L. Johnson" Subject: PC800 Stator Blues Awhile back, I sent a message regarding hard starting. Tom McBride hit it right on the head when he said it might be related to voltage drop. I wish it was just the battery though. Stator AND rectifier / regulator. $437.80 !! When I dropped the bike off at the Honda dealer I mentioned the fact that I was aware of the warranty on the stator. The service manager said he would call Honda of America and check into it. He also said if they didn't come thru for him I could contact Honda myself. When I picked up the bike today, he told me Honda wouldn't cover due to the fact that I wasn't the original owner and the bike was so old (89). Oh well. I don't think I will bother contacting Honda, unless some of you think it is worth it. I am just glad to have the bike back. It's been three and a half weeks That's right, 3.5 weeks to do a 2.5 hour job. Why? Well, apparently, they thought it was the regulator, so they ordered a regulator. When they replaced it, it still wasn't charging properly, so they ordered a stator, even though the stator checked out ok originally. Then it seems the first technician was pulled off that job and another one put on. I was told that the new reg. was no good and they ordered another one. (speculation: the first technician screwed up somehow) When that arrived and was installed, of course the stator was found to be bad. So a new stator was ordered. After the third phone conversation, I think they started to get the idea that I wasn't too pleased. They responded by telling me they would discount the parts and labor. According to the bill, I "saved" $260.97. I knew from reading the archives that I could expect this problem (stator) and knew how much it could cost me, but I was a bit disappointed in the service time. Also, they put about 95 miles on the bike, is that normal? The service manager said he was going to ride it to test it. After the second week, my wife and I were joking and saying he probably went on vacation on MY motorcycle. I am glad that the bike didn't just quit on me, like some others have. I was able to ride it home from work and to the Honda shop (after jump starting it) So in that respect, I am fortunate. I also don't have to worry about my stator anymore. Today was a perfect day to ride it too. Sunny, warm and very little breeze. Details: Qty Part number Description Price 1 31600-KY2-703 rectifier, regulate 172.96 1 31120-MR5-015 stator compk 288.49 1 11395-MR5-800 gasket, lk 12.54 Labor 5 hours 200.00 discount parts -160.97 la bor -100.00 Gone ridin' Bill ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 13:37:32 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: GRIPS To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu When installing the Hot Grips, will it be pretty self-explanatory? I mean, I have plenty of mech. experience, but nothing piss's me off more than to modify something and it no linger works like stock. Will it still be a solid working system free of rattles? Or is going to be loose and feel as if I used duct tape to fix it? Chris Klass ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 18:06:26 -0500 From: Roger Prince To: Gordon Golder Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: $6495 Gordon Golder wrote: > > BTW, I'm looking for a good rainsuit for around $100. Suggestions? I've been more than pleased with my Motoport/Motoline rainsuit. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 14:14:06 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: GRIPS At 01:37 PM 12/10/96 +0000, you wrote: >When installing the Hot Grips, will it be pretty self-explanatory? I mean, I >have plenty of mech. experience, but nothing piss's me off more than to modify >something and it no linger works like stock. Will it still be a solid working >system free of rattles? Or is going to be loose and feel as if I used duct >tape to fix it? > Chris, If you use epoxy as recommended, the look and feel will be better than stock I frequently have to point out to people that my grips are heated. People never notice just from looking at them. Good luck. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 18:37:58 -0500 To: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: GRIPS In a message dated 96-12-10 18:15:58 EST, jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula) writes: << I frequently have to point out to people that my grips are heated. >> Show off. You mean they can't tell by the smile on your face..... Z pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 17:39:15 CST 10 Dec 1996 18:34:03 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 18:32:19 -0500 (EST) From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Eclipse Electric Chaps for Sale To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Cc: HSTA Postings to List FOR SALE - One pair of Eclipse Electric Chaps, size large, brand new...never worn. Includes "Y" cord...you will need a vest and power supply cord to electric system... $50 plus shipping. Dana Sawyer ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: santa@azstarnet.com Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 16:46:11 -0700 (MST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: You have received a holiday card from Bill McKenna. You are the recipient of a holiday card sent to you by Bill McKenna. To pick up your holiday card please use your web browser to access the page at http://www.azstarnet.com/public/holiday/holiday.html. Please have your claim number handy. Your claim number is pc80096650. Have a great holiday season! Santa P.S. Please do not reply to this message if you are trying to reach the sender of the holiday card. A reply to this message will go directly to Santa's Elves. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 18:56:48 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Keith Sproul CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: PC-800 microfiche Keith Sproul wrote: > > Where do you order the microfiche? I too have a reeder.. Just walk up to your local Honda parts person and have him/her order one. The current fiche is for all years produced from 89 thru 96. The 97 PC fiche might also include past model years, just ask the parts person to show you the fiche. The model and years covered are in full size type at the top of the fiche. The dealer doesn't normally stock them so it takes about a week to get it from the warehouse. You might even be able to talk them into a discount on parts due to the time you save them by having part numbers at the ready... gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and a scanner before winter sets in (I hope...) Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 15:57:20 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: Scraping To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Just wanted to know something. I just got a great letter from Cory about the fork mods he has done. He says that now he can scrape the pegs "a little". Does anyone else? I have worn the bump nuts on my foot pegs almost all the way down. My boots have serious wear along the outside. I don't ride that severe too aften, and never around a blind corner. But there are a few on and off ramps on the highway that are just peeerrrfect! I plan to get rid of the stock tires over the winter sometime and would also like to do the front end mod cory is talking about. So? Anyone else? Or am I being way to aggressive? Chris Klass 95 PC800 10,000 miles "slide over and push on the inside, it'll go!" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 19:06:52 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: "Estes, Cory S" CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: PC Mods report.....finally. Estes, Cory S wrote: > At that time I also had the fork tubes raised > 3/4" in the triple clamps. Did you calculate that there would be adequate clearance between the fender and radiator, or did you collapse the forks with the springs removed to verify it wouldn't hit? Were the carb mods home-brewed or a commercially available jet kit? gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and I think I've got writers' block... Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 10 Dec 96 20:22:38 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: New Member... Hi, Tim, and welcome! Congrats on the 89, you'll have many happy miles on it. You wrote: >. . . It had duct tape over a hole in the trunk, on >the inner panel on the left side. The one I bought has an aluminum plate >riveted to the same panel in about the same area. The dealer didn't know >anything about this. . . This is a long, rather sad story, and about the only beef I have with my 89, which I also bought used. Search the archives under "trunk wear" and you'll get all the gory details, but the immediate thing to do is: check your rear tire. If you have a Dunlop K-555, then the aluminum plate is (literally) only a band-aid, not a fix. At 17K, you're probably ok, since it's a good bet the original Dunlops have already been replaced with K-177's or Metzelers, both of which don't seem to cause the trunk-wear problem. As you'll see in the archives, the "dealer didn't know anything about this" is an all-too-common response. Other than this (relatively minor) annoyance, the 89 PC is a great bike. Enjoy! Steve S. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Estes, Cory S" To: "'PC 800 List'" Subject: RE: PC Mods report.....finally. Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 08:31:45 -0500 >Gary Klim wrote: >Did you calculate that there would be adequate clearance between the >fender and radiator, or did you collapse the forks with the springs >removed to verify it wouldn't hit? Nothing so scientific, I fear. I told the mechanic what I wanted, he made it work. The clearance at the top is much closer. With the body work at the top of the fork tubes the amount you can move them is limited. If mine were any higher they'd rub. >Were the carb mods home-brewed or a commercially available jet kit? The carb mods, that I know of, came from Brice in Seattle. I believe they were suggested by his mechanic and a couple of different combinations were tried before he was happy. Check w/ Brice or check the archives of the list. Forgot to mention in the original post that the good handling is also aided by the use of Metzler ML2's on the bike. Later, **************************************************************** Cory S. Estes* *Motorcycle Adventurist '89 Honda Pacific Coast(Millennium Turtle) *Observer of Humanity '90 Honda GB-500 *Lover of Life '94 Chevy S-10 P-Up (Turtle 2) **************************************************************** > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 08:27:43 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Rainsuits Hi Gordon: I've had pretty good luck with Motoport suits (with all their products actually). I have their two-piece PENTA suit, which is made with an AeroTex (similar to GoreTex) membrane for "breathing" properties. It works very well, but it is about $150 which is more than you are looking to pay. They make essentially the same suit without the "Tex" (the CIANO) for $100. If you prefer a one-piece suit, they have a one-piece AirTex suit for $99 (The SAMOA) and the BORNEO which is similar but without the "Tex" for $79. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 08:27:52 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Scraping Hi Chris: I touch a peg or boot sole down from time to time. You are not alone (:{ ). JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: wardwell@surfsouth.com Comments: Authenticated sender is To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 08:27:54 +0000 Subject: New member I have been lurking for a little while - I'm a hopeful prospective PC owner, and I thought I would introduce myself since I hope to be enjoying this list for a long time to come. My name is Rich Wardwell from southern Georgia, I don't currently own a PC but would like to shortly, and my motorcycle experience is limited to some old beat up Kawasaki 440's that I commuted on while carless in college. Even then, I had seen the new 90 PC's and wanted one - but alas, I was on a college budget (amazing what less than $1k can buy you in a motorcycle). The PC's are still the neatest, most well-rounded thing on the road from what I have read and the little I have seen - with a good group of riders to boot! Anyway, I have read the last 4 months worth of lists (whew!) to get a good idea of what to expect from a PC. I'm looking forward to participating in the future (i.e. with PC). Couple comments/questions (these have been mentioned / touched upon in the past, but not directly): 1. I'm 6'1 and about 200lbs. I have heard the discussions about the windscreens, and that would be one of the first things I would wish to replace - is anyone out there of similar size had experience with the different length Rifle's that may shed some light on the right size to stay within the wind "dome" but still be able to see consistently over the plastic (and not through it)? I would guess 22" from the different testimonies (of people larger and smaller on this list). 2. I'm not terribly concerned about the weight limits on the PC in two up riding, but I'm curious about its affect on gas mileage. I have gathered that when riding solo, one should expect between 42 (driving 70+) and 50 (driving 60-). How badly does the weight affect the ratio? I expect to be driving up to the NC mountains with my wife often (about 200 miles to get there) and don't want to have to use TWO tanks to do it. (The range is my only real complaint I have about the PC, if could call it that). Oh, added note: it's supposed to be near 80 today in south Georgia - taunting all of you up in the blustery and wet areas of the country would be somewhat enjoyable except for the fact that I'm sitting in an office sans PC. Oh well. --Rich ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 08:13:09 -0700 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Rainsuits >>BTW, I'm looking for a good rainsuit for around $100. Suggestions? I've got a 'Thunderwear' suit, bibs & jacket. Got the top at Thrifttown for $16 (second-hand store) but had to fork out about $50 for the bottoms. Love it. Ridden all day in wet snow and only had a little leaking around the collar, ended up wrapping a little towel around my neck. A knowledgeable guy at the bike shop said he used to use one for dirt riding, said it was really rugged and he liked it. They're not common, but if you run across one, I'd recommend it. Bob C. NM * Yam TT250, Suz RM125, R100S, '89 PC, and a Powermatic 90* ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 09:54:13 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: Re: New member To: wardwell@surfsouth.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Rich, You wrote, "I expect to be driving up to the NC mountains with my wife often (about 200 miles to get there) and don't want to have to use TWO tanks to do it." Even if you weigh 40 pounds, count on filling twice. I have NEVER gone 200 miles without fueling. I ride solo, 210 pounds, and 70-85 mph. Technicaly you should be able to go that far. Some have reported getting stuck between gas stations and having to go 200-210 miles. I just wouldn't recommend it. The PC is a heavy bike to push. Particularly up a hill. I make the 1st stop in 100 miles so I don't have to be distracted hunting for a stop at 180 miles. Chris PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Dec 96 10:57:33 EST From: Keith Sproul To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Antennas on a PC-800 I want to put an antenna (or two) on the back of PC-800. I have been told that there was a bracket that fastened under the hand-grips in the rear, but so far, I haven't found anybody that has actually seen one. I will be putting one or two Amateur Radio (Ham Radio) antennas on here. Does anybody have one of these or has anybody even seen one? Also, does the back-rest interfere with this? Keith Keith Sproul Ham Radio: WU2Z Student Housing Network Coordinator ksproul@noc.rutgers.edu Rutgers University Computing Services 908 445-3695 Work 908 445-2968 Fax http://www-ns.rutgers.edu/~ksproul/ 908 821-4828 Home ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Estes, Cory S" To: "'PC 800 List'" Subject: RE: Antennas on a PC-800 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 11:27:25 -0500 >Keith wrote: >I want to put an antenna (or two) on the back of PC-800. I have been told >that there was a bracket that fastened under the hand-grips in the rear, but >so far, I haven't found anybody that has actually seen one. >(snip) >Also, does the back-rest interfere with this? The ones I've seen don't attach to the hand grips, they attach to the frame by removing the covers on the rear crash bars. I'd think it would be a little difficult to get a good ground plane off of the hand grips. Since the backrest bolts, and therefore grounds, to the frame, maybe you could attach something to the bolt the backrest to it's mounting bracket? Would that make your antennas too close together? **************************************************************** Cory S. Estes* *Motorcycle Adventurist '89 Honda Pacific Coast(Millennium Turtle) *Observer of Humanity '90 Honda GB-500 *Lover of Life '94 Chevy S-10 P-Up (Turtle 2) **************************************************************** > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: wardwell@surfsouth.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New member From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 11:36:01 EST Welcome to the list, Rich. I can't help with your two questions as I'm shorter and I usually ride solo, but I'm sure others will. I find that the major item affecting my mileage is wind. On a trip, I'll get about 52 mpg (ideal conditions). With winds over the same road, the mileage will drop to 38 mpg. Richard Hardy, San Diego "Aka Neko" RAHardy@juno.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: wardwell@surfsouth.com Comments: Authenticated sender is To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 11:40:20 +0000 Subject: Re: Gas Mileage > "I expect to be driving up to the NC > mountains with my wife often (about 200 miles to get there) and don't > want to have to use TWO tanks to do it." > > Even if you weigh 40 pounds, count on filling twice. I have NEVER gone 200 > miles without fueling. I ride solo, 210 pounds, and 70-85 mph. Technicaly > you should be able to go that far. Some have reported getting stuck between > gas stations and having to go 200-210 miles. I just wouldn't recommend it. > The PC is a heavy bike to push. Particularly up a hill. I make the 1st stop > in 100 miles so I don't have to be distracted hunting for a stop at 180 miles. > Yes, I think I meant to say three tanks... I figured the solo range was between 150-200. Wouldn't want to stretch it. Of course, it would be nice to make it on one! My wife would kill me if the gauge got close to the 'E'. Of course, that is only if she saw it! --Rich ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: vsantam@eccrs.edison.cc.fl.us Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 11:44:52 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Wfkj@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 12:18:56 -0500 To: ksproul@hardees.rutgers.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Antennas on a PC-800 I have installed Cycle Comm CBs on both of my 1990 PCs and Cycle Comm had a special bracket that attaches to the rear bolt of the rear crash bar. You have to cut a slice out of the plastic protector for the bracket to stick out. It works fine for me. My invoice says PACIFIC COAST ANTENNA KIT Item # 197-008. I'm sure this is for the complete antenna and bracket but see if they will sell you only the bracket. The bracket was designed specifically for the PC. Their telephone is 815-337-0790 in Woodstock, IL. Walt Kern Twin 1990 PCs Member of the NJ Polar Bear MC Associate Member Spokes-Women MC ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 16:27:26 -0500 To: cklass@attmail.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Scraping In a message dated 96-12-10 19:07:18 EST, cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) writes: << Just wanted to know something. I just got a great letter from Cory about the fork mods he has done. He says that now he can scrape the pegs "a little". Does anyone else? >> Chris, I scrape the pegs with some regularity. It is easy to do in warm weather since the tires will support more lean angle than the bike has available. You can go beyond just touching a peg down, but at some point you hit hard stuff which is not safe (it can dump you real quick). Once I get to the point of touching a peg down, I start hanging off if I want to go faster. I think most aggressive owners wear the hero blobs off the bottom of the pegs on a PC. Regards, <> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Chrchlls2@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 17:13:52 -0500 To: 73414.466@compuserve.com cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New Member... Concerning the changing of the rear tire to correct trunk wear.... I'm new to this game. About how often do you replace tires on these things? I get the impression that a 36 thousand mile radial motorcycle tire doesn't exist. The manual says change when the tread wear indicator shows which should be about 2mm front tread and 3mm rear tread. Please translate to mileage ( I know it will have to be approximate) SAC '89PC 35k and counting ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 13:36:34 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: New Member... At 05:13 PM 12/11/96 -0500, you wrote: >Concerning the changing of the rear tire to correct trunk wear.... I'm new >to this game. About how often do you replace tires on these things? I get >the impression that a 36 thousand mile radial motorcycle tire doesn't exist. > The manual says change when the tread wear indicator shows which should be >about 2mm front tread and 3mm rear tread. Please translate to mileage ( I >know it will have to be approximate) >SAC '89PC 35k and counting Well, depending on your weight, speed, agressiveness, attention to inflation pressures etc, etc. you can expect between 7,000 and 12-13,000 miles out of the rear, 9,000 to 14,000 miles out of the front. I don't know about the new generation touring tires they have developed for the 'Wing, but I think they max out at 24k, no more. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 17:56:19 -0500 To: Chrchlls2@aol.com, 73414.466@compuserve.com cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Tire mileage... You will get a bunch of responses on this one, including some advice to check the archives but..... On my Dunlops, many miles two up.... I have apx. 15,000 miles on the front with more to go, and apx. 9000 on the rear, with more to go. I bent the rear rim, hence the mileage difference. Most folks seem to get something closer to 10K from a tire but.... Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 19:32:18 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: wardwell@surfsouth.com CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: New member wardwell@surfsouth.com wrote: > > Oh, added note: it's supposed to be near 80 today in south Georgia - > taunting all of you up in the blustery and wet areas of the country > would be somewhat enjoyable except for the fact that I'm sitting in > an office sans PC. A Daffy Duck quote is in order here: "You're despicable!" ;) ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and I can assure you it is NOT 80 degrees... Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 (Gold Pre-Release) Enterprise) id 00094875; Wed, 11 Dec 96 16:35:21 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 16:32:30 -0800 From: MIrizar@symantec.com (Mikel Irizar) To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Interest for all --IMA.Boundary.129053058 Content-Description: cc:Mail note part ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Hi everybody: I just saw this in "Classified 2000" and I thought you would be interested. PC800 PARTS FOR SALE plstcdr@ecom.net Wed Dec 11 10:40:02 PST 1996 GOT A LARGE BOX OF PLASTICS, W\SHIELD, AND HARD PARTS. DEALER INSURANCE STUFF, ALL USABLE. WHOLE BOX REAL CHEAP. 818-998-6585 HOWARD The parts are red, and he is asking for $150...really nice guy. Mikel --IMA.Boundary.129053058 Content-Description: cc:Mail note part SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 (Gold Pre-Release) Enterprise) id 00094413; Wed, 11 Dec 96 14:59:17 -0800 Mailer.symantec.com (8.7.6/8.7.6) with ESMTP id PAA05959 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 15:07:00 -0800 (PST) sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAF25798; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 16:57:41 -0600 (CST) 11 Dec 1996 16:57:09 -0600 (CST) sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA25784 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 16:57:02 -0600 (CST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com 17:56:19 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 17:56:19 -0500 To: Chrchlls2@aol.com, 73414.466@compuserve.com cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Tire mileage... --IMA.Boundary.129053058-- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 19:44:04 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Keith Sproul CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Antennas on a PC-800 Keith Sproul wrote: > I will be putting one or two Amateur Radio (Ham Radio) antennas on here. When you install your antenna, don't rely on the ground connection that the trunk pivot point and rear latch provide. I recommend using tinned copper braid from antenna ground connection to solid main-frame ground. You run the risk of chasing down an SWR problem that is actually a marginal (as far as RF goes) ground. (Years ago I used to run a Kenwood TS-430 in the 11 meter band - I couldn't learn SOS at gunpoint...) :) Sorry for that last blurb of semi-non-relevancy... gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and I need a beer... Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: TedJ101@aol.com Cc: cklass@attmail.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Scraping From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 11 Dec 1996 18:36:49 -0600 Lines: 9 >>>>> "T" == TedJ101 writes: T> I think most aggressive owners wear the hero blobs off the bottom of the T> pegs on a PC. Kent often touched the fairing protectors down. Too bad Kent's son wrecked his bike.... - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 18:04:39 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Seattle M/C show Ok Gang, it is official. My wife and I will be attending the IMS in Seattle. We plan to arrive on the 1st, so meeting on Friday or Saturday would be fine (driving up to Vancouver on the 5th). Let's get some PC presence there! Let me know when and where. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 19:12:22 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: PC Mods report.....finally. At 08:53 AM 12/10/96 -0500, you wrote: >Juan rode mine and prefers his stock bike, so what works for me >may not work for you. I should clarify that disclaimer. I really liked the new fork springs. What I didn't like was the changed geometry of the dropped forks. It felt just plain weird. As for the carb changes, different strokes... For what you get, I don't think it is worth the money. Now, if you were to add a K&N filter to that, allowing the richer jets to do their work... Hmmm... might have to think about that. Anyone have the part number to that old Dodge Fram filter? If K&N has an equivalent part, maybe a home-brewed PC800 K&N Air filter wouldn't be out of the question! :-) >... any time soon I've got to do something about those rear >shocks.............. Amen. Later! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 21:10:45 -0800 From: Dave To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PROGRESSIVE SPRINGS one of you techies wanna post a brief explination why PROGRESSIVE springs are so cool? I love mine, just don't know why they do what they do :>) -- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, AKC http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 00:03:09 -0500 From: Doug Powell To: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: South Ga. weather is great! Just a note to let everyone know that it was 75 degrees and sunny in South Ga., just like the man said. I rode to work today with short sleeves...Sorry guys, but at least someone gets to ride! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 08:31:26 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: Tire Wear To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I have almost 11,000 on both stock tires. And that is about all the rear will go. I will change them BOTH in the spring even though the front looks like it could go another 4-5000 miles. The noise is really unacceptable, especially when leaning. And I have heard so much about the ML-2. Long mileage is great, but there is a point when the trade off in reduced stick is too much. Chris 95 PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 08:37:53 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: Wise Guy from GA To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Doug Said, Subject: Re: Wise Guy from GA At 08:37 AM 12/12/96 +0000, Chris wrote: >Doug Said, > > >I am in NJ and it is 38o, cold, and rainy. I say we all pitch in to send >someone to GA to break Dougs legs! I am in Fairbanks, Alaska, where it has been -10 to -30 for the past three weeks. My PC has been in the garage since the end of September. Send me the airline ticket and I'll do it myself! :-) (Sorry Doug, we have to stay entretained somehow ;-) Ride safe Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 08:42:16 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC Air Filter At 10:33 AM 12/12/96 -0500, JTSMCRIDER wrote: >Hi Juan: > >I held on to the post regarding Ray Nielsen's homebrew air filter. The >filter he used was a Fram CA3559 which supposedly was for a mid-80s Dodge of >some sort. > Thanks JT, I actually meant it as a joke, but after thinking about it, it might not be such a bad idea after all :-) Thanks for the info. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 18:59:54 +0100 (MET) To: Jason L Tibbitts III From: Gerard Diepeveen Subject: Re: Re: Scraping Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 18:36 11-12-96 -0600, you wrote: >Kent often touched the fairing protectors down. Too bad Kent's son wrecked >his bike.... I wonder if he is still his son? Gerard --------------------------------00--------------------- Gerard Diepeveen '89 White Pacific Coast Netherlands E-Mail: G.Diepeveen@inter.NL.net or gerard@dsv.nl O-PC-O:-) "May the Pacific Coast be with you" http://www.inter.nl.net/users/G.Diepeveen/pc800.htm or http://www.dsv.nl/~gerard/ ------------------------------------------------------ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 19:00:03 +0100 (MET) To: GuntherSki@aol.com From: Gerard Diepeveen Subject: Re: Tire mileage... Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu At 17:56 11-12-96 -0500, you wrote: >On my Dunlops, many miles two up.... I have apx. 15,000 miles on the front >with more to go, and apx. 9000 on the rear, with more to go. I bent the rear >rim, hence the mileage difference. Most folks seem to get something closer to >10K from a tire but.... I'll be happy if I get 5500 miles on the rear tire and 7500 miles for the front tire, I use Dunlop K555 factory tires. On my previous bike - Honda CBR600F - I had Yokohama's they last as long as 2000 miles!!!!!, but they did stick to the road as glue even in very wet road conditions. I ride on my PC880 like I did ride on my CBR600F. Gerard Diepeveen, PCN --------------------------------00--------------------- Gerard Diepeveen '89 White Pacific Coast Netherlands E-Mail: G.Diepeveen@inter.NL.net or gerard@dsv.nl O-PC-O:-) "May the Pacific Coast be with you" http://www.inter.nl.net/users/G.Diepeveen/pc800.htm or http://www.dsv.nl/~gerard/ ------------------------------------------------------ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 09:57:11 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Tire mileage... At 07:00 PM 12/12/96 +0100, Gerard Diepeveen wrote: >I'll be happy if I get 5500 miles on the rear tire and 7500 miles for the >front tire, I use Dunlop K555 factory tires. Ouch! There is your problem, the tire model you use. If you switch to K177's or the ML2's, you'll get more miles out of them, with more stick to boot. >I ride on my PC880 like I did ride on my CBR600F. See above comment about tire grip. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Chrchlls2@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 14:33:00 -0500 To: 73414.466@compuserve.com cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Tire Life Thanks all for the tire info SAC ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ChrisTUBA@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 14:55:00 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: 5500 Miles on a Rear Tire? Hi All! I've been following all of the comments these last couple of weeks. There's been some interesting stuff, and some of the stuff has gone very technical! I thought PC owners were supposed to be yuppies who never even wanted to look at an engine or change a spark plug! Just kidding. Gerard mentioned that he gets only 5500 on a rear tire? How can that be? On my 96 PC which I bought this summer and put 5500 miles on, there's plenty of tire left. My only thought can be: What do they make the roads out of in the Netherlands? Sandpaper? How else could a tire wear down so quickly? As for the Georgia weather debate, well, here in the Dominican Republic, almost every day is a beautiful day for riding...but I have no PC here, nor is it safe to motorcycle in this country! God bless the USA for having rules of the road! Anarchy is NOT good. Take my word for it. One other question...what is the OFFICAL model name of the 97 PC? My 96 was officially a PC800T. Just curious. L8r, Chris Russell 96 Honda PC, 5500 miles, waiting for summer by teaching in the Dominican Republic ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 15:27:58 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: Dominican Repub. To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Chris Russel said, "As for the Georgia weather debate, well, here in the Dominican Republic, almost every day is a beautiful day for riding...but I have no PC here, nor is it safe to motorcycle in this country! " Well Chris, I'd take the weather. I could use a few months on the beach! Any C.O. beaches there? Not all PC owners are prudish yuppies! Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800'" Cc: Bryce Ulrich Subject: Meet Friday eve 1/3 for Seattle Cycle Show Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 13:01:35 -0800 I received six replies and Friday evening was the most accommodating. Juan Goula & wife, Michael Jones, Dave Gross, Paul Hayes, Gordon Gazaway, and myself have indicated they can all make it. Unfortunately this will leave 1 out. Sorry Julie (julie@anthro.com). I will send follow-up mail on where to meet beforehand - I want to scout out a good place first. Plan to meet at the selected restaurant from say 6:00 - 7:30pm and then walk over to the convention center for the show (open till 10pm). That should allow for latecomers and good conversation. Bring pictures and your stories! Incidentally, I haven't heard from Tim Macy, Steve Gross and a few others in the Northwest region. If anyone needs a place to spend the night I can make room at my place. Garage parking too. \"/ -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 22:05:09 +0100 (MET) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gerard Diepeveen Subject: Milage At 14:55 12-12-96 -0500, Chris wrote: >My only thought can be: What do they make the roads out of in >the Netherlands? Sandpaper? How else could a tire wear down so quickly? No I am not kidding you, it's true, no sandpaper, but if you know what a CBR600 is, you know. Heavy acceleration and braking does no good to a tire, I know. But I am trying with the new tires I now have (K555) to go for a grater milage 6200-7000. The asphalt commonly used in Holland is the so called "open asphalt" the water that falls this type of asphalt drains directly in to the ground so not much water stays on the road and so there is not much spray from the tires when it rains so more visibility is created (big improvement for motorcyclists). But if the asphalt is the problem, I don't know, maybe it's just my style of riding. Gerard --------------------------------00--------------------- Gerard Diepeveen '89 White Pacific Coast Netherlands E-Mail: G.Diepeveen@inter.NL.net or gerard@dsv.nl O-PC-O:-) "May the Pacific Coast be with you" http://www.inter.nl.net/users/G.Diepeveen/pc800.htm or http://www.dsv.nl/~gerard/ ------------------------------------------------------ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 18:12:06 -0800 From: Steve Gross To: Scott and Marcy Burka , Sandra Draper , "relaena@teleport.com" , Rick Gross , david burka , Jeff Burka , rebecca burka , john johnson , glenn sound , pc800 Subject: [Fwd: Copy of: It's just a joke....] --------------4BE2C747E69 -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 Honda PC800 --------------4BE2C747E69 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Thu, 12 Dec 1996 16:07:33 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 16:07:25 -0800 Errors-To: wetleather-owner@micapeak.com Originator: wetleather@micapeak.com From: Jennifer Solis <104072.3255@CompuServe.COM> To: "Northwest Bikers' Social Mailing List" Subject: Copy of: It's just a joke.... I sent this the other day but I don't think it went through. I fyou already got it feel free to use that wonderful little "Delete" key. ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- I lost my coffee on this one.... Floozy ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Three guys in a bar; a Texan, a Californian, and a Seattlite. They drink, They get crazy. The Texan grabs a bottle of Tequila, unscrews the top, takes a good swig, and throws the bottle into the air. He then pulls out a .45 caliber pistol and shoots the bottle, spraying Tequila all over everything. The other patrons at the bar shout "hey why'd you waste that?!" The Texan says, "Hell, it's just Tequila, where I come from, we got lotsa Tequila." The Californian, not to be outdone, whips out a corkscrew and opens a bottle of wine, pours some into a glass, swirls the glass, and sips it, then throws the bottle in the air, and shoots it with a little silver pistol. The patrons again express their displeasure and astonishment at such a waste of a bottle of wine. The Californian says, "Napa Valley, we got lots of great wine down there." The Seattlite borrows the corkscrew, pops the top off a bottle of Red Hook and downs the whole bottle. he throws the empty bottle into the air, shoots the Californian and simultaneously catches the falling bottle. Now the people are screaming, "Why'd you do that???!!!!" The Seattlite replies, "We got lots of Californians, but I got to recycle this bottle." --------------4BE2C747E69-- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 20:24:19 -0800 From: Dave To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: [Fwd: Re: PROGRESSIVE SPRINGS] ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: PC800: PROGRESSIVE SPRINGS Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 23:12:31 -0600 From: rnielsen@isd.net (Ray Nielsen) >one of you techies wanna post a brief explination why PROGRESSIVE >springs are so cool? I love mine, just don't know why they do what they >do :>) My understanding of progressive spring rates come mostly from reading explanations in sales literature, but here goes anyway. A linear spring might be "rated" as to the number of pounds required for a specific unit of deflection (compression or extension). As a example front fork springs might have a rating of 55 pounds per inch; that's the rate for each spring. The first inch of fork compression would then require 110 lbs, the second inch an equal additional amount, etc. This would continue until the spring "bottomed" or some other element of the fork caused motion to cease. Some of the motion of the fork takes place during pre-load when the bike comes off the centerstand and "settles" on it's suspension. The rest takes place dynamically as you ride. A progressive spring (with coils wound in an evenly varying spacing) might require only 35 pounds to compress the first inch, 45 pounds additional for the second inch, 55 more pounds for the next inch, etc. The advantages would be more compliance over small bumps like tar strip separators on the freeway, and yet they could still resist bottoming on larger bumps and during braking. The spring "rate" would be progressive in relation to movement. A second factor is the damping that's taking place at the same time. Compression damping and rebound damping are usually controlled by separate hydraulic circuits within the forks or shocks. Most of the time there's more rebound damping than on compression. Even very soft springs will feel "stiff" if too much compression damping occurs. My Nighthawk is a classic case in point. Even though I weigh over 300 pounds I still get a rough ride with the shock spring pre-load set at the middle notch. The compression damping is too severe. My winter project is to replace the stock shocks with aftermarket units. I'll probably use those from Progressive Suspension simply because I've had good luck with their products. They seem to favor quite progressive springs and more or less "linear" damping characteristics. Some of the older British bikes used linear springs and progressive damping. Go figure -- in the old days most people thought Brit bikes were good handling machines. Ride a good one today and you won't think so, compared to the newest Japan has to offer. Adjustability is the major change I see now. Some forks allow separate adjustment of spring pre-load, compression and rebound damping. I'd opine that most riders don't take the time to learn enough to optimize the settings for the different style of riding they do. Most just fiddle until it feels "comfortable", or until it doesn't scare the dickens out of them on their favorite corner. Many riders find the compromise the makers have wrought just fine. For others that's just a starting point! Thu, 12 Dec 1996 22:21:19 -0600 (CST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 22:15:13 -0600 From: Roberto To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Any PC 800's for sale? Dear PC800 group members, Does anyone have a PC800 for sale that is in decent condition? I am a student at Texas A&M University in College Station, TX. In particular, I am looking for one that could have some plastic damage (scratches, minor damage)and a mechanically sound engine <100,000, the year doesn't matter. Thanks, Robert Wheeler rww4694@acs.tamu.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 22:04:09 -0800 From: Dave To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: progressive springs special thanks to rnielsen@isd.net (Ray Nielsen) for this explanation !!!! -- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog, AKC http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 13:09:35 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: harness@vt.edu (Mike Harness) Subject: Weather If everyone heads south to break Dougs legs, I suggest you route through the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia. Here in Blacksburg, it's a little cloudy with some scattered drizzles, alittle to cool for shortsleeves, but the temp is around 60, and it's only 30 miles to the Blue Ridge Parkway, which one could follow all the way (almost) to the GA state line. Tomorrow would be a good day to do it!! Sorry Doug, but you can't have all the good Winter weather. Mike Harness '95 w/6500 excellent miles. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jeff Hopkins" To: , "Mike Harness" Subject: Re: Weather Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 12:22:06 -0600 The weather as been in the 70's all week here in Oklahoma. GREAT riding weather! However next week they are talking about low's in the single digits and snow. Jeff Hopkins '89 PC 53k ---------- > From: Mike Harness > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Weather > Date: Friday, December 13, 1996 12:09 PM > > If everyone heads south to break Dougs legs, I suggest you route through > the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia. Here in Blacksburg, it's a little > cloudy with some scattered drizzles, alittle to cool for shortsleeves, but > the temp is around 60, and it's only 30 miles to the Blue Ridge Parkway, > which one could follow all the way (almost) to the GA state line. Tomorrow > would be a good day to do it!! Sorry Doug, but you can't have all the good > Winter weather. Mike Harness '95 w/6500 excellent miles. > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 14:05:46 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: harness@vt.edu (Mike Harness) Subject: This yuppie business My attitude must be right today or something... I'm normally pretty quiet, but Chris Russell's yuppie comment was good and now let's take the lid off. I'm 45.5 years old today, with just enough money to manage to buy the PC, but hardly a yuppie. In Feb 1995, after a 20 year absence from riding, I bought a "trial" bike, a 1982 CB750K, to find out if I was having the mid-life crisis, or if I was just going back to my long abandoned roots. It turned out to be the latter, so I sold the 750 and went shopping. I settled on the PC because of several reasons. I'm not sure which reason was most important to me, but certainly the very limited amount of time I have to ride was a factor. So I asked myself why would I want an old bike, like my 750, which would constantly need something done to it. Or why would I want to spend $18K on a Harley? (Although I did toy with the idea of a new Road King for a while.) Why would I want to go 150-180 mph? Further, why would I care what is under all that plastic, so long as it performs well, cranks on the first push of the starter, is ready and waiting for me when an hour or two of good weather and free time, like today, pops up? I have never looked at my engine after 15 months and 6500 miles. Actually I'm a little curious which way the cylinders are oriented, but even that doesn't matter. I've scraped the pegs once or twice on curves on the Blue Ridge Parkway, I've cruised at 85 down I-81 (pushed it to 95 once). I've had 6500 miles of absolutely flawless rides. For me riding is most important, not the engine, not how it looks, not any of the nuances which gobble up my time. If it ever breaks, my insurance will will haul it in for me and the dealer will fix it, and I'll soon be back on the road. It would be nice to be a yuppie, then I'd have more time left to ride. -Mike Harness '95 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 10:09:16 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Weather At 12:22 PM 12/13/96 -0600, you wrote: >The weather as been in the 70's all week here in Oklahoma. GREAT riding >weather! However next week they are talking about low's in the single >digits and snow. > >Jeff Hopkins >'89 PC 53k Well folks, look like we are going to rack up some frequent flyer miles going around the southern parts of the country breaking peoples legs! Enjoy it while you can fellas! Vini and Guido are coming along with me... ;-) Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- for ; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 21:17:45 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gordon Golder Subject: Coming out ;-) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 21:17:45 +0000 Gang: Mike Harness started it! Right, we aren't all yuppies. Take me, I'm 68 on Sunday (does that make me a SUPPIE??) and have been riding only 10 years. My '90 Cherry Red PC has 44k and I plan to put on many more. Hope to ride from Michigan to the west coast this summer. Before that, may head to Texas in early April when the snow has left the roads clear. Re: breaking legs. I'll join in the tour. What the Hell, I have to spend your social security on something. :-) Gordon ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jeff Hopkins" To: , "Mike Harness" Subject: Re: This yuppie business Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 15:38:35 -0600 If you were a yuppie you'd be on a Harley getting in your "15 miles of fame" every week. Jeff Hopkins ---------- > From: Mike Harness > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: This yuppie business > Date: Friday, December 13, 1996 1:05 PM > > My attitude must be right today or something... I'm normally pretty quiet, > but Chris Russell's yuppie comment was good and now let's take the lid off. > > I'm 45.5 years old today, with just enough money to manage to buy the PC, > but hardly a yuppie. In Feb 1995, after a 20 year absence from riding, I > bought a "trial" bike, a 1982 CB750K, to find out if I was having the > mid-life crisis, or if I was just going back to my long abandoned roots. > It turned out to be the latter, so I sold the 750 and went shopping. I > settled on the PC because of several reasons. I'm not sure which reason > was most important to me, but certainly the very limited amount of time I > have to ride was a factor. So I asked myself why would I want an old bike, > like my 750, which would constantly need something done to it. Or why > would I want to spend $18K on a Harley? (Although I did toy with the idea > of a new Road King for a while.) Why would I want to go 150-180 mph? > Further, why would I care what is under all that plastic, so long as it > performs well, cranks on the first push of the starter, is ready and > waiting for me when an hour or two of good weather and free time, like > today, pops up? I have never looked at my engine after 15 months and 6500 > miles. Actually I'm a little curious which way the cylinders are oriented, > but even that doesn't matter. I've scraped the pegs once or twice on > curves on the Blue Ridge Parkway, I've cruised at 85 down I-81 (pushed it > to 95 once). I've had 6500 miles of absolutely flawless rides. For me > riding is most important, not the engine, not how it looks, not any of the > nuances which gobble up my time. If it ever breaks, my insurance will will > haul it in for me and the dealer will fix it, and I'll soon be back on the > road. It would be nice to be a yuppie, then I'd have more time left to > ride. -Mike Harness '95 > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 13:55:19 -0800 To: PC800 Mailing List From: "Russell C. Jackson" Subject: Re: Weather Meant to send this to the list and only sent is back to Jeff. Duhhh. >I notice that no one from So. California ever talks about when it is great riding weather here. I guess that is because it ALWAYS great riding weather here... > >Rusty >'90 PC > >At 12:22 PM 12/13/96 -0600, you wrote: >>The weather as been in the 70's all week here in Oklahoma. GREAT riding >>weather! However next week they are talking about low's in the single >>digits and snow. >> >>Jeff Hopkins >>'89 PC 53k >> >> >> >>---------- >>> From: Mike Harness >>> To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >>> Subject: Weather >>> Date: Friday, December 13, 1996 12:09 PM >>> >>> If everyone heads south to break Dougs legs, I suggest you route through >>> the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia. Here in Blacksburg, it's a little >>> cloudy with some scattered drizzles, alittle to cool for shortsleeves, >>but >>> the temp is around 60, and it's only 30 miles to the Blue Ridge Parkway, >>> which one could follow all the way (almost) to the GA state line. >>Tomorrow >>> would be a good day to do it!! Sorry Doug, but you can't have all the >>good >>> Winter weather. Mike Harness '95 w/6500 excellent miles. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Visit the PC800 web page at >>> To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >>> message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >>> To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >>-- >>Visit the PC800 web page at >>To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >>message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >>To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >> ====================================== Russell C. Jackson - Software Engineer rjackson@wrightstrat.com -------------------------------------- Wright Strategies 2223 Avenida de la Playa La Jolla, CA 92037 619-551-6808 ====================================== ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 14:49:56 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: Yuppie? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Mike said: <>> Amen brother! I am 30. In sept of 1995 I too, wanted to see if I wanted to get back into riding. Bought an 82 Yamaha Maxum 750. Loved it. Wanted more. Bought a new 95 Vulcan 800. Really loved it. All along, I wanted the PC but couldn't find one (I was in Wyoming). In April I found one in Denver. Traded my Vulcan in (lost a few $) in on the PC (Plus some, ok alot, of $) I have put 11,000 miles on it since. I now live in NJ and it is perfect for every thing. From going into NYC, to 400 mile days in Upstate NY going to Americade. Chris Klass And yes, I seem to quite often drool over the Road King! And Yes, I am a Yuppie. But my bike makes me a cool yuppie. And the fact that I ride in the rain, and in the winter redeems me. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 14:52:53 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: Lets Go Leg Break'in!! To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu <<<>>> I am bringing Vinne Bag-a-dohnuts and Tony Pots-and-pans Two leg breakers from Newark. And Newark tough guys make Brooklyn look like Hawaii! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 19:43:37 -0500 From: Doug Powell To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Lets Go Leg Break'in!! Damn, my first post and I get flamed big time, I don't know if I should feel bad or proud. Do Vinnie and Guido ride PC's? Dana, I do it because I can! Waldo, I live between Tifton and Valdosta...out in the boondocks. If it helps, it is supposed to get into the 30's this weekend, I may have to wear a coat! See ya, Doug ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 16:28:05 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Lets Go Leg Break'in!! At 07:43 PM 12/13/96 -0500, you wrote: >Damn, my first post and I get flamed big time, I don't know if I should >feel bad or proud. Do Vinnie and Guido ride PC's? Dana, I do it because >I can! Waldo, I live between Tifton and Valdosta...out in the boondocks. >If it helps, it is supposed to get into the 30's this weekend, I may >have to wear a coat! Doug, Feel proud, these were not meant as flames but as good natured ribbing. Cabin fever and PMS (Parked Motorcycle Syndrome) have a way of twisting our sense of humor. If you can ride, enjoy it! Just make sure you send a few ride reports this way, otherwise you'll really be in trouble. Ride Safe. Juan >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > "The best long distance runners eat raw meat, run naked and sleep in the snow" -- from an Alaska Airlines ad ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 20:55:01 -0500 From: Doug Powell To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Almost Flamed? Thanks Juan, I know how it is not to be able to ride...I just had to rub it in a little. I just had to replace my guard covers due to a confrontation between my pc, the asphalt at Such's Gap and two bags of cement on a curve...more on that later. Rich, I bought the bike from a friend of mine. He bought it in Tifton in 89. It's pearl and pacific grey. I'm trying to find a way to change gears without my legs and feet...Just in case! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 18:16:33 -0800 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: Lets Go Leg Break'in!! Hell, Doug, This ain't flaming! Start the "only color for a PC" thread again, & you'll see tempers flare! This, mi amigo, is jealously of anyone who doesn't need electric clothing and/or SCUBA gear to go riding! -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 Honda PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 18:14:44 -0800 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 , CHRISTOPHER M KLASS Subject: Re: Yuppie? Long live yuppie scum!!!! -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 Honda PC800 Attorney at Law 35 years old. Gots a convertible, a cell phone, a Bose stereo, too much work and not freakin' life! All I need ia a yuppie CPA/MD-type woman and a Lexus, & y'all can come break _my_ legs! (I do ride in the wind & rain, just not recently...) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: wardwell@surfsouth.com Comments: Authenticated sender is To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 23:16:51 +0000 Subject: PC in Georgia Well, right after our recent discussion of the temps in Georgia, I located a 90 PC less than 60 miles from me with only 3700 miles. It is supposedly in pristine condition (going to look at it tommorow). The only problem I have is rounding up the cash - it's on consignment at a Honda dealership for $5300. A little much, but, with that low of mileage (and if it is in showroom condition), it might be worth close to that. Of course, you know, if I get it, these wonderful 70 degree temps will turn quickly into 30-40 degree highs via Murphy's Law. Sorry Doug - but - it might save you from that leg breaking others up north have been referring too. Now, if I can convince my non-mc friendly wife... Hmmm. --Rich ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Chrchlls2@aol.com Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 00:15:47 -0500 To: harness@vt.edu cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: This yuppie business I also have yet to see the cylinders. I am told there are two and they are oriented fore and aft in a Vee configuration....ok. My bike starts with just a touch of the starter, rides comfortably, accelerates well, and gives me a sense of joy when I ride. Maybe later I'll get into the progressive springs, jetted carbs, and synching the vacuum on the jets, or whatever. Right now I ride. SAC '89 PC 35k and counting ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 22:55:38 -0800 From: PILEWIS1 To: wardwell@surfsouth.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC in Georgia wardwell@surfsouth.com wrote: > > Now, if I can convince my non-mc friendly wife... Hmmm. > Just do what I did, brought it home and said "Gee Honey, Look what I bought!!"" (She quieted down,............... eventually!! ;-) P.S.-The riding's always nice here, for as you know----(to the beat of the song) "Oh, it never rains in Southern California......" Phil (45 1/2) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Chrchlls2@aol.com Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 10:22:35 -0500 To: rjackson@wrightstrat.com cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Weather With all this talk of leg breaking I figured it was best to keep quiet about the consistently fantastic weather here in SoCal. Besides, if you all come out here to break legs you just may find you like the area and decide to stay; there are already too many people here. However, where else can you get seven or eight PC's together and take a ride in mid-January and KNOW the weather will be just fine. Though there are alot of people, California is in no way lacking in nearby scenic and remote country areas in which to ride. Speaking on another thread I have been over the years been classified as a WASP, a YUPPIE, a DINK, a BOOMER, etc. and yet I have steadfastly maintained my unique individuality. I have never felt part of any culturalpoliticosocioeconomicreligioethicomoralprocreatofitnessenvironmental "group" I can appreciate both the differences in personalities, experiences and culture of people and still be able to find a common thread of interest. .......hoooboy. I just read that. It's true but it's getting a little thick. Sorry about that. You get the idea though. I'm me. I own a PC800. I ride. If you ride, we can talk and have a good time. For that matter even if you don't ride we can talk and have a good time. How did I get onto this? I'm outta here. SAC '89 PC 35k and counting ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TRA1966@aol.com Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 14:34:31 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Yuppie? In a message dated 96-12-13 21:23:47 EST, you write: << Long live yuppie scum!!!! -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 Honda PC800 Attorney at Law 35 years old. Gots a convertible, a cell phone, a Bose stereo, too much work and not freakin' life! All I need ia a yuppie CPA/MD-type woman and a Lexus, & y'all can come break _my_ legs! >> To all you yuppies: I'm too young to be a yuppie at 30. I fall under generation X...check the dates! But hey...it's not so bad. 3 Lincolns, a truck, several Crown Victorias (hey...you gotta have some way to get around Illinois in the winter)...a KZ305 and a PC800. Now...all I need is a trailer hitch on a Crown Vic, and I'd be Florida bound. Hey...anyone want to put their PC800 on too? :) Cheers! ---Tim ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 15:15:23 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Chrchlls2@aol.com CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Don't Break His Legs - SPAM His E-mail Account ;) Chrchlls2@aol.com wrote: > I have been over the years been classified as a > WASP, a YUPPIE, a DINK, a BOOMER, etc. and yet I have steadfastly maintained > my unique individuality. I'm 40, a card carrying "Baby Boomer", and have no particular opinion about it one way or the other. That in itself will probably get me assigned to some demographic about which I'll have no particular.......... ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and did you remember to charge your battery lately? Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ Sat, 14 Dec 1996 20:55:31 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: garyklim@snet.net From: Gordon Golder Subject: charging battery Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 20:55:31 +0000 did you remember to charge your battery lately? >Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut Gary: Rather than charging battery, I start the cycle every time it hits 40 degrees and warm it up well to keep the battery charged. I'm wondering, is this bad for the engine?? Started it today and let it warm to normal temp, then shut it down til the next day of 40 degrees. Gordon Sat, 14 Dec 1996 20:55:28 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Chrchlls2@aol.com From: Gordon Golder Subject: culturalpoliticosocioeconomicreligioethicomoralprocreatofitness environmental Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 20:55:28 +0000 Now I know what at least one person from SoCal is! If I get there, we'll ride!! Gordon ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 16:02:57 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Kathleen Feher Subject: Christmas Tree Attack ALERT ALERT ALERT! NEWS FLASH: Attack Christmas Tree seen in the Midwest! Recently a Midwest 1990 PC800 was viciously attacked by a rabid Christmas Tree. Damage...some cracked plastic and a very chagrined owner. Can't believe it happened, but while I was helping my husband get our artificial tree down from the storage above our garage, the box fell right on....yeh you guessed it...my PC. We even "thought" we had moved the bike out of the way. Cracked a piece of plastic right below the headlight. : ^ ( Guess I'll have to put out a contract with Vinnie and Guido to take care of that damn tree. (No legs to break on this one.) Wonder if an insurance agent ever heard this excuse before? Kathy Feher ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 18:21:52 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Gordon Golder CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: charging battery Gordon Golder wrote: > Rather than charging battery, I start the cycle every time it hits 40 > degrees and warm it up well to keep the battery charged. I'm wondering, is > this bad for the engine?? While this will insure a happy battery, your engine is producing acids that accumulate each time you run the engine for a short period of time. This is one of the reasons for changing your oil at or near the time you put it into storage for the winter. I would recommend you warm the engine, then change the oil *and* filter. You can either charge the battery in the bike with a charger such as the "Battery Tender" or remove it and charge it indoors. (Which is what I do because inertia keeps me from getting near the garage in sub zero weather...) gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and I can't wait to see Anthony Gobert on the RGV-500 Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 18:55:34 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Kathleen Feher CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Christmas Tree Attack Kathleen Feher wrote: > > ALERT ALERT ALERT! > NEWS FLASH: Attack Christmas Tree seen in the Midwest! A few short easy steps to insure a happy Cyber-Christmas: 1) Download a nice image of an X-Mas tree from the web. (Maybe the White House tree?) 2) Convert image to *.BMP format 3) Install image as Windows wallpaper 4) Place presents around computer monitor 5) PC-800 will now be able to hibernate in peace... ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and some strange animal tracks in the back yard... Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 19:01:16 -0500 To: tibbs@hpc.uh.edu cc: cklass@attmail.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Scraping In a message dated 96-12-11 19:37:27 EST, tibbs@hpc.uh.edu (Jason L Tibbitts III) writes: << Kent often touched the fairing protectors down. Too bad Kent's son wrecked his bike.... >> Yes, it is. Kent was a nice guy. Well, I suppose he still is -- but when you're PC'less life just isn't the same ! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 19:01:18 -0500 To: dkgross@halcyon.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PROGRESSIVE SPRINGS In a message dated 96-12-12 00:04:52 EST, dkgross@halcyon.com (Dave) writes: << one of you techies wanna post a brief explination why PROGRESSIVE springs are so cool? I love mine, just don't know why they do what they do :>) >> Dave, The basic idea is simple. A "normal" spring works at a constant rate, i.e. X lbs per inch of compression. A progressive spring works at an exponential rate: the first inch requires X lbs to compress it for that inch while the second inch takes say 1.2 X, the third 1.5, the 4th 1.9 etc. That allows the spring to be somewhat soft under mild conditions but much stiffer under more extreme conditions. It's obviously a compromise -- and one which the factory did not adopt! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 19:01:18 -0500 To: ChrisTUBA@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: 5500 Miles on a Rear Tire? In a message dated 96-12-12 14:57:43 EST, ChrisTUBA@aol.com writes: << Gerard mentioned that he gets only 5500 on a rear tire? How can that be? On my 96 PC which I bought this summer and put 5500 miles on, there's plenty of tire left. My only thought can be: What do they make the roads out of in the Netherlands? Sandpaper? How else could a tire wear down so quickly? >> Chris, Tire wear will vary markedly with use. If you just ride the bike more or less as the MSF would have you ride it, you will get the sort of mileage most here on the list have mentioned. Then you have some who have taken their bikes on the track. You can get the tires really hot on the track which makes them incredibly sticky (a good thing on the track). However, it also makes their wear characteristics resemble art gum erasers! You can get them real hot on certain kinds of roads too, but it takes a lot of work and few do. European driving habits are somewhat different from ours -- much more aggressive in general. That tends to wear tires a lot faster. I hope this helps! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Bryce read this! Date: Sat, 14 Dec 96 18:18:13 -0500 From: YourWorstNightMare To: "PC800 messages" Bryce, The Metzler ML2 is on its way. I started ordering it in June and in only 7 short months it is in stock. It's a damn good thing it wasn't a heart or lung! As soon as it comes in I will ship it out to you. Could you send your address so I get it right. I know I've said it before but I must thank you again for your generousity. I fondly remember riding those super twisty roads on the Blue Ridge Parkway, safely with those awesome tyres. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: TedJ101@aol.com Cc: cklass@attmail.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Scraping Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 18:18:34 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "T" == TedJ101 writes: T> Kent was a nice guy. Well, I suppose he still is -- but when you're T> PC'less life just isn't the same ! I suppose you wouldn't think any better of him if you knew he went Italian and is buying a Moto Guzzi 1100 Sport. At least he'll still be on a twin, even if it is sideways. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 19:13:34 -0500 From: Doug Powell To: Chrchlls2@aol.com CC: rjackson@wrightstrat.com, PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Weather Chrchlls2@aol.com wrote: > > With all this talk of leg breaking I figured it was best to keep quiet about > the consistently fantastic weather here in SoCal. Besides, if you all come > out here to break legs you just may find you like the area and decide to > stay; there are already too many people here. However, where else can you > get seven or eight PC's together and take a ride in mid-January and KNOW the > weather will be just fine. Though there are alot of people, California is in > no way lacking in nearby scenic and remote country areas in which to ride. > Speaking on another thread I have been over the years been classified as a > WASP, a YUPPIE, a DINK, a BOOMER, etc. and yet I have steadfastly maintained > my unique individuality. I have never felt part of any > culturalpoliticosocioeconomicreligioethicomoralprocreatofitnessenvironmental > "group" I can appreciate both the differences in personalities, experiences > and culture of people and still be able to find a common thread of interest. > .......hoooboy. I just read that. It's true but it's getting a little > thick. Sorry about that. You get the idea though. I'm me. I own a PC800. > I ride. If you ride, we can talk and have a good time. For that matter even > if you don't ride we can talk and have a good time. > How did I get onto this? I'm outta here. > SAC '89 PC 35k and counting I here Vinnie and Guido are on the way to California now, thanks for the diversion. I'm pretty sure I agree with you on the yuppie situation...I'll let you know when I finish reading that one sentence. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 15:44:10 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Re: Scraping At 06:18 PM 12/14/96 -0600, you wrote: >>>>>> "T" == TedJ101 writes: > >T> Kent was a nice guy. >I suppose you wouldn't think any better of him if you knew he went Italian >and is buying a Moto Guzzi 1100 Sport. >At least he'll still be on a twin, even if it is sideways. _And_ stuck with shaft drive. He could've bought a Duck! Shows his heart is in the right place. :-) If you see or talk to him, please send him our regards and Holiday wishes. Juan "The best long distance runners eat raw meat, run naked and sleep in the snow" -- from an Alaska Airlines ad ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 15:54:42 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Christmas Tree Attack At 04:02 PM 12/14/96 -0600, you wrote: >NEWS FLASH: Attack Christmas Tree seen in the Midwest! >Can't believe it happened, but while I was helping my husband get our >artificial tree down from the storage above our garage, the box fell right >on....yeh you guessed it...my PC. We even "thought" we had moved the bike >out of the way. Cracked a piece of plastic right below the headlight. : ^ ( Ouch! Sorry to hear that. Could have been worse though. That headlamp is expensive! Get in touch with Honda of Milpitas, they gave me a good discount on body parts. Similar thing happened to me, except it was an aluminum ladder and it bounced off a box I had on the seat. The Motorcycle Gods smiled upon me that day ;-) >Guess I'll have to put out a contract with Vinnie and Guido to take care of >that damn tree. (No legs to break on this one.) They are on their way. No charge on PC related incidents :-) >Wonder if an insurance agent ever heard this excuse before? Too tame. Tell them you and your husband brought the tree to life during a thunderstorm or something and it went straight for the bike. Heck it's worth a try! Good luck. Juan "The best long distance runners eat raw meat, run naked and sleep in the snow" -- from an Alaska Airlines ad ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 15:59:16 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Got my t-shirts! Hey Johan! Got the t-shirts! They are great! To those of you who haven't had the chance to see them, I was impressed. This embroidery has to be the best representation of a bike (heck any motor vehicle) I've seen done in thread. Even the chrome parts are there. And the shirts themselves are good quality (Haines Heavy-T's if memory serves). Crystal asked when is the next batch due so she can get another one :-) Thanks! Juan "The best long distance runners eat raw meat, run naked and sleep in the snow" -- from an Alaska Airlines ad ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Estes, Cory S" To: "'PC 800 List'" Subject: Bryce, read this one, too! Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 21:55:12 -0500 Bryce, Don't have your E-address in my listing. Would you please come back to me when you get a minute? I need to talk w/ you off-list. Thanx, **************************************************************** Cory S. Estes* *Motorcycle Adventurist '89 Honda Pacific Coast(Millennium Turtle) *Observer of Humanity '90 Honda GB-500 *Lover of Life '94 Chevy S-10 P-Up (Turtle 2) **************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 07:17:53 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: 5500 Miles on a Rear Tire? Hi Ted: In a message dated 96-12-14 19:03:10 EST, you write: << If you just ride the bike more or less as the MSF would have you ride it, you will get the sort of mileage most here on the list have mentioned. >> Your comment makes me think that some may have an erroneous impression regarding what the MSF is all about. The MSF does not say that you shouldn't ride agressively. As a matter of fact, the MSF staff members that I have known and ridden with over the years have been near the upper end of the agressive-riding scale. Many have raced competitively, and nearky all of them love a good scamper up and down the Ortega of a Sunday morning. And their average tire mileage is probably well below the norm. In short, the MSF is not about wimpy riding; it is about competent, skillful, responsible riding. Their somewhat trite slogan "The more you know, the better it gets" really says their message quite well. If you want to really enjoy motorcycling, you need to get really good at it. It's another way of saying, "without great riding skills, you can't really know how great riding can be." No flames intended here, Ted. I just wanted to stick up for my riding pals a bit and to put in a good word for the MSF, which, it seems, may have acquired an undeserved reputation :). JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 07:18:01 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: charging battery Hi Gordon: I don't believe you are doing your battery much good with your procedure. It takes quite a while for the charging system to recover from the intense drain of the starter, especially if the bike doesn't fire up immediately. And the alternator doesn't put out much charging current until the revs are up above 1500 or more. Consequently, unless you run it for say a half hour at or above 1500 rpm, you are probably not even getting back to where the battery was before you started to crank it. FWIW, my advice would be the following. If it's 40 degrees, then take it for a 30-minute to an hour ride. It will do you, your battery, and your engine a lot of good. On the way home, top off the fuel. Then park it and hook up a Battery Tender to keep the battery up to full charge 'til the next ride :). JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Wfkj@aol.com Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 08:51:04 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Flashing brake lights in NJ I noticed several messages about products for the PC that allow the brake lights to flash. I had one such product installed on both of my PCs at Americade. It caused the brake lights to flash alternately. I thought this was great until I had to take the bikes through the annual New Jersey inspection process in September. I had almost got through when another inspector from the outside inspection lane called me on them. He didn't realize they were flashing. He saw only one side on and thought the other side was burned out. When I told him they were flashing, he said NJ law says that the brake light has to be a steady light. I failed. I had to go home and remove the unit plus the one on my other bike to get through inspection. I had a similar problem with etching on the sides of my windshield. Apparently the law says you can't have any etching on the windshield unless it comes from the manufacturer that way. My point is: be careful when you buy something neat for your bike. If you happen to have an inspection process in your state, the inspectors may fail you. Walt Kern ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 09:21:05 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: harness@vt.edu (Mike Harness) Subject: Planning & Great Weekend Living near the Blue Ridge Parkway now, and being from near Asheville NC originally, makes me be an unofficial spokesman for the upcoming Honda Hoot June 17-21 in Asheville. The Hoot is an HRCA event, with plenty of family oriented non-riding activities, but the great fun of the event is the daily test rides. If you haven't been to one of these, you might want to plan now to come out, down or over to this part of the country in June. Honda, Yamaha, BMW, Triumph, Buell were there last year and this year I understand Kawasaki and Harley have been invited for 1997. The HRCA organizes the test rides well, and you can spend 5 days riding the variety of bikes brought to the event on real 40 minute rides through downtown Asheville, Interstates 40 and 240, and the Blue Ridge Parkway. The MSF provides lead and chase riders for groups of 6-10 bikes, and you get to compare all the different rides. I was only there for 2 days, but I rode an ST1100, a Buell S1 Lightning, a Goldwing, a Triumph Thunderbird, and the Yamaha Royal Star. Honda presented its Valkyrie, the rides booked up on this one before I got there. I only touched on the number different bikes there.. the countyside is basically unsurpassed for riding pleasure. After all the test rides, my ride home on my PC was so good, it made me know I had made the right choice. It is fun though to climb on someone else's brand new bike and roar off on a hard ride to see what it will do! One bit of advice - skip the Buell if you ever get a chance to ride one, unless of course riding and unbalanced washing machine at near the speed of light is appealing to you. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 11:11:30 -0700 (MST) To: Wfkj@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Re: Flashing brake lights in NJ At 08:51 12/16/96 -0500, Wfkj@aol.com wrote: >I noticed several messages about products for the PC that allow the brake >lights to flash. I had one such product installed on both of my PCs at >Americade. It caused the brake lights to flash alternately. I thought this >was great until I had to take the bikes through the annual New Jersey >inspection process in September. I had almost got through when another >inspector from the outside inspection lane called me on them. He didn't >realize they were flashing. He saw only one side on and thought the other >side was burned out. When I told him they were flashing, he said NJ law says >that the brake light has to be a steady light. I failed. I had to go home and >remove the unit plus the one on my other bike to get through inspection. > >I had a similar problem with etching on the sides of my windshield. >Apparently the law says you can't have any etching on the windshield unless >it comes from the manufacturer that way. My point is: be careful when you >buy something neat for your bike. If you happen to have an inspection process >in your state, the inspectors may fail you. > > Walt Kern > The trick to modifying your motocycle when it comes to required safety equipment is to not replace, deactivate or modify what's there, but to simply add to it. The way I installed an attention-getting device into the brake lighting system was to put a 200,000 candlepower xenon flash-tube (strobe-light-style bulb) into a custom-made socket and installed it in the "dead lens" area behind the center lens, between the brake lights (where there is no bulb of any kind already). Then I attached the leads to a small 120-flash/second strobe circuit board in a sealed electronics kit box (from radio shack) that I installed into a small space behind the fiberglass, in front of the trunk, on the left, accessible only when the trunk is open. I wired power to the strobe circuit from one of the brake lights. Now, whenever I squeeze the front brake or depress the rear, not only to my regular brake lights come on steady, as the law requires, but a 200,000 candlepower (which isn't as bright or "blinding" as it sounds) strobe flashes twice per second from the red-lensed area between the brake lights. It definitely gets noticed in traffic and it doesn't break any laws anywhere that I have been able to find. I believe it would pass the NJ inspection because it does not stop the factory (and DOT-approved) brake lights from being on steady, as required by law. It just adds to the safety factor by calling attention to those brake lights. I haven't read NJ's law, but I can tell you that if the law is written to say that there must be steady brake lights, then the stobe does not violate it. It would only be a violation if the law prohibits any brake light from flashing, even if some of the brake lights are on steady. It's a subtle distinction, but if you research the statutory language, you might find that you can beat the inspector by having the strobe installed as I've described above, and knowing that particular subsection of the law. Gregg DesElms deselms@primenet.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Chrchlls2@aol.com Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 13:23:43 -0500 To: GAG@worldnet.att.net cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: charging battery Actually I just go to work and it seems to charge the battery and warm up the ol' PC just fine. SAC ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 18:30:46 -0500 From: Doug Powell To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Buying a PC Sorry to waste BW but I was wondering if the Guy(Rich?)bought the PC he was going to look at in South Ga. Let me know if you have any questions or if you want a pc to compare with. Around 70 degrees today but supposed to drop by the end of the week:( The good news is I still have not seen Guido or Vinnie! Doug Mon, 16 Dec 1996 19:48:04 -0600 (CST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 19:41:45 -0600 From: Roberto To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Adding Lights? Dear PC800 group, I am new to the list so I don't quite get the "breaking the legs". Anyways, I was wondering if it is possible to add halogen lights (50 watts a piece) to the electrical system. The lights are like the ones you use in regular trucks/automobile applications and would look nice on a PC -- found them at Walmart. I figured out the amperage of the load for the lamps and got: Amperage=Power/Volts and got 100 watts/12 volts = 8.33 amps. I notice that on the bike I have, (Suzuki-sorry), the main bus fuse is 15 amps and the individual loads have a fuse of 10 amps. The 8.33 amps is below these fuse ratings. Are the fuse rating for the PC different than this? Is there anything else I need to consider whilst undergoing this undertaking? For example: altenator, wiring, or parralell loads. Do I have to run the load off the fuse panel using a separate fuse? Thank you, Robert Wheeeler rww4694@acs.tamu.edu 'It finally snowed in Texas!' :) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 19:17:24 -0500 (EST) From: PetersonRE To: Mike Harness cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Planning & Great Weekend On Mon, 16 Dec 1996, Mike Harness wrote: > Living near the Blue Ridge Parkway now, and being from near Asheville NC > originally, makes me be an unofficial spokesman for the upcoming Honda Hoot snip > - skip the Buell if you ever get a chance to ride one, unless of course > riding and unbalanced washing machine at near the speed of light is > appealing to you. > Mike is right in his praise of the Hoot. My wife and I went for the first time in '96 and loved it. We will definetly be back in '97. However, my wife won't let us do the test rides this year. Last year after test riding she came home and traded her Shadow in for a PC, and I sold my trusty R90s BMW and bought- yes a BUELL S2. BTW at the speed of light it is perfectly balanced. *<;-) ................................................................ Bob Peterson / Gainesville, FL USA / EMAIL: afn05166@afn.org :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 20:10:21 -0800 From: PILEWIS1 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Tires It's tire buying time, and I've decided on Metzlers (sp?), unless I get talked out of it. Does $340 installed, balanced, etc., sound like a fair price? Phil So. Cal. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 18 Dec 96 07:43:47 EST From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: John Castagna Cc: HondaPacificCoastOwners , HSTA Postings to List , Ron Maudlin <74726.2016@CompuServe.COM>, Brad & Cinda Mobley <76241.1063@CompuServe.COM>, "Samuel \"Todd\" Nunnally" <72064.2771@CompuServe.COM>, "Donald L. \"Moose\" Parish" <73523.3636@CompuServe.COM>, Elbert Silbaugh <71203.2774@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Youth As we approach the beginning of a new year, I'm reminded that we motorcyclists are either young or trying to act young. In that regard, I'd like to share a piece of writing by Samuel Ullman titled "Youth"...Happy New Year! "Youth is not a time of life; it is a state of mind; it is not a matter of rosy cheeks, red lips and supple knees; it is a matter of the will, a quality of the imagination, a vigor of the emotion; it is the freshness of the deep springs of life. "Youth means a temperamental pre-dominance of courage over timidity of the appetite, for adventure over the love of ease. This often exists in a man of 60 more than a a boy of 20. Nobody grows old merely by a number of years. We grow old by deserting our ideals. "Years may wrinkle the skin, but to give up enthusiasm wrinkles the soul. Worry, fear, self-distrust bows the heart and turns the spirit back to dust. "Whether 60 or 16, there is in every human being's heart the lure of wonder, the unfailing childlike appetite of what's next and the joy of the game of living. In the center of your heart and my heart there is a wireless station; so long as it receives messages of beauty, hope, cheer, courage and power from men and from the Infinite, so long are you young. "When the aerials are down, and your spirit is covered with snows of cynicism and the ice of pessimism, then you are grown old, even at 20, but as long as your aerials are up, to catch waves of optimism, there is hope you may die young at 80." CU at STAR '87, if not before! Dana Sawyer ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 08:24:30 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: New Tires To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Phil wrote <>> Phil, No question, ML-2s are excellent. But don't overlook Dunlap K555. I know the 177s suck. But the 555s are suposed to be a vast improvement. You get basicly the same performance increases as the ML-2s plus longer life and a lower price. If you have any questions ask Tim Macy. Has anyone ever tried BOTH the 555s and the ML-2s? Chris Klass 95 PC800 11,000 miles and still riding in NYC! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 08:49:27 -0500 From: Bill McKenna To: pc800 newsletter , hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: [Fwd: Cruize Control Update] --------------251B7B15243 Thought some here might like this info as well.... Regards, Bill --------------251B7B15243 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 13:54:33 -0500 From: Bill McKenna To: st1100@st1100.com Subject: Cruize Control Update This is the long awaited update on the ECC for the ST. I finally connected... Seems he's been on **SCREECH** for a while, hence the lost contact. *********** Bad News ****************: **NO** custom Kit **WILL** be available until after Spring '97, or there abouts. Making some design changes in their unit and have chosen to wait. My ST is STill in line for the prototype.... ********** GOOD NEWS ***************** Because there is no kit available.... they are willing to discount the sale to ***ST'rs*** :D to the paltry price of $495 US. A lot, but way down from the 695 they initially wanted, and more than several have been sold at that price. It's not a 10 min install, probably more like 3hrs +, but if you're ST literate, know your bike, can read, and are reasonably well coordinated, YOU CAN DO IT! They claim that many STs have the unit running now. Features: Electronic servo, clutch & brake circuit interrupts, speed sensor, small size,(fits under the seat) tiny joy-stick like control... R thumb activated. If SANTA's comin' empty, or you buy your own toys(Bill!), you can call 'em @ 1.800.515.0006 (US)..... Please tell 'em you heard about it here?. Oh yea, I have *no* commission agreement with them... yet. Bill - who's ST is now electively in a dozen pieces. --------------251B7B15243-- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 09:11:12 -0500 From: Roger Prince To: stevjohn@interserv.com, hsta members , pc800 list Subject: For Sale FOR SALE: PC800 Hondaline backrest. Excellent condition. Fits and color matches '90, '94, '95. Includes all necessary hardware and mounting instructions. Removed from '95PC to make room for Givi rack/box. $100 plus $10 shipping. Roger Prince email: roger@etgn14.webo.dg.com Tel: 508 528-5758 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 10:37:03 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: Bzzzzt... Chris has it exactly backwards. The K177's US made To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Ooops! Chris Klass ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 10:00:39 -0800 From: Andrew Scott Beals -- KC6SSS To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: '89 pac coast for sale Located in San Jose, Calif. Garage-kept. Carpal tunnel has prevented me from riding it regularly since August. )-: 800cc's of smooth, quiet, reliable and low-maint. Honda power. Trunk under passenger seat holds two XL helmets with ease. 45.5k, $2500 firm. -- Andrew Beals, (408) 526-8838 MS: SJ-F2, asb@cisco.com Cube-locator: Pterodactyl hanging above me, front right quarter of the building "Questions are a burden to others; answers are a prison for oneself." --The Prisoner, "Arrival" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 14:12:33 -0500 To: cklass@attmail.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New Tires The formular on the Dunlop K 177s was changed lst year. They are probably the best sport touring tires available regardless of cost. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 11:17:12 -0800 From: Jon Berman To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Buying Advice Hello, I'm interested in buying an early model PC800 and was curious about what might be a fair asking price. I saw an '89 last weekend in only fair shape with 35k miles--they wanted about $3500.00. What might be a reasonable price for this one? I live in Southern California. Also, what things should I check for on a used PC? Thank you, JON ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 18:37:01 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: CHRISTOPHER M KLASS CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: New Tires CHRISTOPHER M KLASS wrote: > 95 PC800 11,000 miles and still riding in NYC! This would appear to be a sub conscious plea for two broken legs. Santa is sure gonna be busy this year. ;) ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and the '97 fiche has been ordered. Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Dec 96 19:00:46 EST From: Keith Sproul To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Throttle Lock for PC-800 I saw the discussion in the archives about modifying a BMW throttle lock for use with the PC-800. I was interested in this and figured I might get one next spring. Recently, I found a review of a different throttle lock that explicitly said it was available for the ST-1100, so I called the company. They DO make a version specifically for the PC-800, and the unit looks quite nice, although maybe somewhat expensive. It is called the THOTTLEMESISTER CRUISE CONTROL. The cost is $105 for the PC version and is available from: Marker Machines Inc 5240 N 124th St Milwaukee, WI 53225 414 464-6060 414 464-9423 Fax This unit replaces the handle bar-end weights. They also include a matching one for the left side so that they still match. This unit is aprox 25% LESS in weight than the original bar-end weights and is made of stainless steel. Other than wanting to put MORE weight on the ends rather than LESS weight, this looks like a very good solution. The article is in the October 1996 issue of MOTORCYCLIST on page 77. I plan on buying one of these before spring gets here.. Keith Sproul Keith Sproul Ham Radio: WU2Z Student Housing Network Coordinator ksproul@noc.rutgers.edu Rutgers University Computing Services 908 445-3695 Work 908 445-2968 Fax http://www-ns.rutgers.edu/~ksproul/ 908 821-4828 Home ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 23:37:42 -0800 From: PILEWIS1 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: To: Barbara Brick To Barbara, (To all others, please excuse!) I'm sending you this message via general group, because something is wrong with your e-mail address. When I tried to send, I got this reply: > Subject: > Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: smtp.packer.edu.: host not found) > Date: > Thu, 19 Dec 1996 02:45:34 -0500 (EST) > From: > Mail Delivery Subsystem > To: > > > > The original message was received at Thu, 19 Dec 1996 02:45:32 -0500 (EST) > from 61017d0011la.concentric.net [206.173.240.167] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > 550 ... Host unknown (Name server: smtp.packer.edu.: host not found) Barbara, please let me know if there is another address, Phil ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 08:13:55 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: OK, OK, OK, OK!!! To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > I would be concerned about reducing the bar weight as it helps reduce vibration. Let us know what you think when you get it. Chris Klass 95 PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 08:43:19 -0500 To: cklass@attmail.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Cruise Control This unit sounds like the Bob's BMW cruise control. I've had it all year and it looks cool and works great. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 09:19:40 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: Cruise Control To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Which tire to buy??!! > The K555s are the stock tire on > < > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: TO: Barbara Brick Sorry Barbara, I'm getting all of your e-mail, but you can't get mine!! I'll keep trying, Phil >Subject: > Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: smtp.packer.edu.: host not found) > Date: > Thu, 19 Dec 1996 10:51:21 -0500 (EST) > From: > Mail Delivery Subsystem > To: > > > > The original message was received at Thu, 19 Dec 1996 10:51:19 -0500 (EST) > from 61009d0005la.concentric.net [206.173.239.209] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > 550 ... Host unknown (Name server: smtp.packer.edu.: host not found) P.S.-Sorry PC-800 group for using this e-mail address again. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 19 Dec 96 12:21:25 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: No, no, NO! Chris Klass wrote: >I would be concerned about reducing the bar weight as it helps reduce >vibration. Let us know what you think when you get it. You got it all wrong, Chris! I can't believe you got it backwards! Geez! Where are you from, New Jersey or something? Heavier weights INCREASE vibration . . . . . JUST KIDDING :D Keep those 555's or 177's or whatever on the down-side! Steve ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 12:55:02 -0500 To: 73414.466@compuserve.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: No, no, NO! You guys are both wrong, geez..... Heaver weight increases VOLUME, not density... what, are you guys NUTZ... :) Z In a message dated 96-12-19 12:28:09 EST, 73414.466@CompuServe.COM (Steve Schibuola) writes: << Chris Klass wrote: >I would be concerned about reducing the bar weight as it helps reduce >vibration. Let us know what you think when you get it. You got it all wrong, Chris! I can't believe you got it backwards! Geez! Where are you from, New Jersey or something? Heavier weights INCREASE vibration . . . . . JUST KIDDING :D >> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 13:16:11 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: Re: No, no, NO! To: 73414.466@CompuServe.COM (Steve Schibuola), pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) Being from New Jersey has an upside. When I was living in Wyoming I had NJ plates. Whenever I made a bonehead move I would just point to my plates, shrug my shoulders, and say, "What do you expect?" Chris Klass ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 13:16:11 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: Re: No, no, NO! To: 73414.466@CompuServe.COM (Steve Schibuola), pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 List) Being from New Jersey has an upside. When I was living in Wyoming I had NJ plates. Whenever I made a bonehead move I would just point to my plates, shrug my shoulders, and say, "What do you expect?" Chris Klass ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 09:20:15 -0900 (AKST) To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Buying Advice (excuse me?) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 11:26 PM 12/18/96 -0500, you wrote: >The list has been kinda quiet this week, so let me use this as an excuse >to stir the coals. :-) Boy, stir the coals you have! >If you want the ultimate sport-tourer/commuter/weekend blaster, don't >get an ST1100, or a Pacific Coast, or a VFR ... >... Get a CBR900. Why buy >a slow, heavy, poor-handling, comfy machine (these terms are all >relative, of course), and customize it to make it more comfy and >liveable, when you can buy a light, fast, great-handling, surprisingly >comfortable actually, machine and customize it to make it comfy and >liveable? >It seems like half the list have installed higher bars and an >aftermarket seat, so why compromise on the initial machine if you're >going to mod that stuff anyway? I still have the stock bars and seat. Can't say about the VFR or the ST, but as far as why the PC, here it goes: Shaft drive, hydraulic lifters, big windshield, built in weather-proof trunk, standard 3 year warranty, much cheaper insurance, looks that will start a conversation no matter where you go, and you don't get "you stinkin' squid!" looks, even when you are not. 'Nuf said. Juan "The best long distance runners eat raw meat, run naked and sleep in the snow" -- from an Alaska Airlines ad ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '93 ArcticCat Panther DLX University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 09:23:15 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: No, no, NO! At 12:55 PM 12/19/96 -0500, you wrote: >You guys are both wrong, geez..... > >Heaver weight increases VOLUME, not density... what, are you guys NUTZ... > Hmmm... and here I though that heavier weight increased fuel mileage. You guys down in the lower 48 must have different laws of physics. Here we just frezze everything for 8 months out of the year :-) Juan P.S. Any word on the get-together for the Seattle M/C show? Thanks! J "The best long distance runners eat raw meat, run naked and sleep in the snow" -- from an Alaska Airlines ad ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '93 ArcticCat Panther DLX University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jeff Hopkins" To: , Subject: Re: Which tire to buy??!! Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 16:45:13 -0600 2 ---------- > From: PILEWIS1 > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Which tire to buy??!! > Date: Thursday, December 19, 1996 9:51 AM > > > The K555s are the stock tire on > > > > < > > > > > O.K.--I'm buying either the ML2's or the K-177's this month! > > How about a "TIRE POLL!" > > Just make an an "X" for the one you like best, and hit "reply" (or hit > anything else you'd like to hit, except me!!) :-) (No dealers > please!!!) > > 1) Metzeler ML2's..... > > 2) Dunlop K-177's..... > > Thanks, > > Phil > > (The first two respondents, whose tire gets the most votes, will win a > Brookstone thermometer, with an L.E.D., installed, so that you can know > exactly how cold you "really" are, when your riding at night! I make > the modification myself!) > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 19:56:46 -0500 From: Doug Powell To: Jeff Hopkins CC: PILEWIS1@concentric.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Which tire to buy??!! Uh Oh, I just put a 555 on my bike about a month ago. It had a ML2(rear) when I bought it from Ken Rountree(former list member). The ML2 had worn in a wierd way...just on the left side. Noone at the local Honda place could explain it, not counting the one guy looking at my backside to see if one cheek was heavier than the other! The ML2(according to Ken)only had about half the milage it was supposed to get. It looks like if the tire pressure was low it would have worn both sides or in the middle if too high...anyway it sounds like I should've gone with the 177's. Am I going to have problems with trunk scrubbing with this new tire? I think we ought to send Vinnie and Guido to see Ken(the traitor...now a VFR750 squid) Doug ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 20:35:57 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Protect Those Legs! On 12-16-96 Doug Powell sez: << The good news is I still have not seen Guido or Vinnie! >> That's because they froze to death somewhere in North Dakota. Tim ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 18:59:49 -0800 From: PILEWIS1 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: The results of the Tire Poll! Hello All! Well, the results are in and a little surprising to me! I have 5 for the ML2 and 7 for the K-777, plus 2 voters who gave equal ratings to both tires. I guess bottom line is, either one should be good. I'm gonna check with the shop tomorrow, and see if he has any K-177's for a good price, in stock. The ML2's are out of stock right now. As for the winners, the first 4 are so close in time, that I will be sending out 4 thermometers with my special "light mod!" I need to know where to mail to: Christopher Klass, Jo Ruby, Roger Prince, and Cory Estes. Thanks to all and to all a "Merry Christmas" Phil Lewis Mission Viejo Southern California ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 00:27:25 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Here We Go Again? On 12-18-96 BernieK469@aol.com sez: << The formular on the Dunlop K 177s was changed lst year. They are probably the best sport touring tires available regardless of cost. >> At the risk of starting up this thread again (kinda like the color thingee, eh?) I've gotta agree. I ride the StealthMobile HARD much of the time over all kinds of roads (and terrain, if you count the gravel roads I always seem to find myself on) and I have nothing but kudos for the new formulation in the K177 tires. The K555s were crappy, and wandered, etc. But the 177s are "planted" and handle everything I throw at them. And...a bonus...I get great mileage (13 - 15K) out of them. Can't beat the price, either! Running and ducking now! See ya! Tim Portland, OR '94 PC - 36K and counting ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 05:04:49 -0500 To: cklass@attmail.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New Tires In a message dated 96-12-18 10:33:21 EST, cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) writes: << Has anyone ever tried BOTH the 555s and the ML-2s? >> Since 555's are the standard OEM tire, anyone who bought their PC new and switched to Metzelers has tried both. Having said that, it is importan to know that the 555 has not remained constant over the years. It is my understanding that there was a significant compound change made in the '90's somewhere and that the newer ones are quite a bit stickier than the early ones. I didn't experience the earlier ones so I can't speak from personal experience. However, the new 555's are quite surprising even when ridden very, very hard. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 05:04:48 -0500 To: tibbs@hpc.uh.edu cc: cklass@attmail.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Scraping In a message dated 96-12-14 19:19:42 EST, tibbs@hpc.uh.edu (Jason L Tibbitts III) writes: << I suppose you wouldn't think any better of him if you knew he went Italian and is buying a Moto Guzzi 1100 Sport. >> Not at all. Some of my best friends ride Guzzis ! Actually, I was surprised that Ken remained with the PC as long as he did. He was pushing it way beyond its design envelope. It was really time for him to move on to something more in accord with his riding style. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 05:04:49 -0500 To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: 5500 Miles on a Rear Tire? In a message dated 96-12-16 07:19:41 EST, JTSMCRIDER@aol.com writes: << Your comment makes me think that some may have an erroneous impression regarding what the MSF is all about. The MSF does not say that you shouldn't ride agressively. As a matter of fact, the MSF staff members that I have known and ridden with over the years have been near the upper end of the agressive-riding scale. Many have raced competitively, and nearky all of them love a good scamper up and down the Ortega of a Sunday morning. >> Don't get me wrong. I wasn't saying that the MSF people aren't aggressive riders themselves. However, they are teaching a relatively basic course (even in the advanced version) and it does not cover high performance riding -- the course, not the instructors. As to the latter, they vary quite widely. The instructors in our local course haven't a clue about hanging off, riding in the envelope between loss of adhesion and loss of control, etc. I'm not denigrating them for that, it isn't necessary for what they do. However, the riding that is taught is not particularly aggressive and not particularly hard on tires -- which was my point. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 08:17:02 +0000 From: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) Subject: The Luck winners To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: It's the K177 for sure!! --------------17BC3DDA6CB7 To all those who answered my survey, (or even thought about answering) thanks again. Please no more tire threads (pun intended :-)), I'm gonna get the K-177. I had a request on the lighted thermometer! Simple really. I just drilled a hole in the bottom of a Brookstone thermometer, and then put in the lite green L.E.D. (see picture in .jpg... .pcx available if you'd like.) To enhance the light, I used a little bit of aluminum foil, and attached it to the underside of the thermometer's clear plastic cover; it acts like a reflector. I used the Brookstone thermometer because there is plenty of room to work, and it looks good. If you want to try this, and can't find a place that sells L.E.D.'s, I'd be happy to send them to you. (I'll send you the Brookstone thermometer, too, if you don't live in an area where they have a store.) Then I attached the modified thermometer to the left removeable panel, just behind the handle bars. There is just enough room to run a wire from your headlights (or whatever) and then one wire to ground. I drilled a hole in the panel, just underneath the hole in the thermometer. Of course, you can put this almost anywhere that has a little room for the wires. I always like to experiment; who knows what I'll try lighting up next!! Happy Riding, Phil P.S.-Don't try sending Guido or Vinnie to get us here in Sunny So. 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_________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: The Luck winners Author: cklass@attmail.com (CHRISTOPHER M KLASS) at CC2MHS1 Date: 12/20/96 8:17 AM To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: It's the K177 for sure!! PILEWIS1 wrote: > Then I attached the modified thermometer to the left removeable panel, > just behind the handle bars. There is just enough room to run a wire > from your headlights (or whatever) and then one wire to ground. I > drilled a hole in the panel, just underneath the hole in the > thermometer. Of course, you can put this almost anywhere that has a > little room for the wires. You don't mention (or I had too many beers to see it...) a dropping resistor to limit the current to the LED to about 15 to 20 mA. If this is not done, the LED will have a life span measured in fractions of a second. If the LED in question has a built in resistor, please disregard the above. Merry Christmas all. BTW, I thought Jason's' software didn't allow attachments through. All this time I could have been boring the list silly with bike pics dating back almost 25 years and cluttering up hard drives all at the same time. :) ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and pasta is ready! Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Attachments (Was: It's the K177 for sure!!) From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 20 Dec 1996 17:31:08 -0600 Lines: 11 >>>>> "GEK" == Gary E Klim writes: GEK> BTW, I thought Jason's' software didn't allow attachments through. That was a slip; I hit approve instead of reject. Sorry for cluttering everyone's mailbox with that crud. Look, folks, just don't even bother sending binaries. You may recall that the introductory documents ask you not to send them. There are people here that can't see them and don't want to spend the time and possibly money to download them. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 17:51:42 -0800 From: PILEWIS1 To: garyklim@snet.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: It's the K177 for sure!! Gary E. Klim wrote: > You don't mention (or I had too many beers to see it...) a dropping > resistor to limit the current to the LED to about 15 to 20 mA. If this > is not done, the LED will have a life span measured in fractions of a > second. If the LED in question has a built in resistor, please disregard > the above. Merry Christmas all. > > BTW, I thought Jason's' software didn't allow attachments through. All > this time I could have been boring the list silly with bike pics dating > back almost 25 years and cluttering up hard drives all at the same time. > :) Hi There! Yes in-deedy, it does have a built in resistor, and my compliments on your electrical knowledge!! I bet nobody else thought of that!! :-) Oops, now that everybody knows about attaching pictures, I guess we're all in real trouble!! What's the e-mail address for Guido and Vinny??!! They may be needed!! Don Felipe (from the Old Country) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 07:18:28 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Aggressive Riding and the MSF Hi Ted: Point well taken. It is absolutely true that the MSF courses teach only basic street-riding skills, and that most of the instructors are your basic street riders with little or no interest in canyon scratching, racing, or other forms of "high performance" riding. They offer simply a solid foundation upon which to build as we explore the width, breadth and depth of motorcycling. There have been several attempts over the years to put together a high-performance (or at least higher-performance) course, but the bottom line is that the US distributors--who pay for what the MSF does--do not see such courses as consistent with their best interests either in the market place or with the litigators guild or with the weenies at the Consumer Product Safety Commission. As a result, it has been left to others (RATS cum CLASS, California Superbike School, WERA, AMA, etc) to take the next steps in the journey from Streetcruiser to Squidracer. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Chrchlls2@aol.com Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 13:55:10 -0500 To: jlai@filenet.com cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: January Ride Now I can't remember if I said the 11th or 12th is better. In any case the official word is...... the 11th of January 1997 Saturdayis the best for me! SAC '89PC 35k and counting ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Chrchlls2@aol.com Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 14:07:02 -0500 To: GuntherSki@aol.com cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: No, no, NO! You guys are all from the physics dark ages! the difference in bar end weights will show up as perturbations in the earths rotation and hence influence not only the periodic tide tables in the short turn but, because you're north of the equator, will increase the angle of declination from the plane of the eclectic eventually throwing the entire planet out of solar orbit and bringing life as we know it to an end. Ain't chaos theory great! SAC '89PC 35k and counting ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 16:21:15 +0100 (MET) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gerard Diepeveen Subject: Update PCN To all people of the PC800 mailing list A merry x-mass and a happy newyear. A complete new design of the Pacific Coast Netherlands pages with: new pictures new faq (still from complete) and other stuff. with a change to win a pin of the Pacific Coast Netherlands how? Take a look and you know how. Gerard Diepeveen, PCN --------------------------------00--------------------- Gerard Diepeveen '89 White Pacific Coast Netherlands E-Mail: G.Diepeveen@inter.NL.net or gerard@dsv.nl O-PC-O:-) "May the Pacific Coast be with you" http://www.inter.nl.net/users/G.Diepeveen/pc800.htm or http://www.dsv.nl/~gerard/ ------------------------------------------------------ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 20:41:52 +0100 (MET) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gerard Diepeveen Subject: We have a winner The new page was only a few hours on the net and the puzzle is already solved. The winner is: Paul Hayes Sorry for all of you that did not win, Next month you get another change. Gerard Diepeveen,PCN --------------------------------00--------------------- Gerard Diepeveen '89 White Pacific Coast Netherlands E-Mail: G.Diepeveen@inter.NL.net or gerard@dsv.nl O-PC-O:-) "May the Pacific Coast be with you" http://www.inter.nl.net/users/G.Diepeveen/pc800.htm or http://www.dsv.nl/~gerard/ ------------------------------------------------------ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 18:07:45 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: New Toy Greetings All, Seeing as how my goodness quotient was at acceptable levels this year, I've ordered a Umax Vista S6E scanner for Christmas. After it arrives and I've convinced myself that I know what I'm doing, I'll do scans for any list member who provides a SASE for return of materials. No more boring Windows Wallpaper at work... -- ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net Anyone see the Honda ACE-750 yet? ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jeff Hopkins" To: "PC 800 Group" Subject: Great riding weather Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 17:36:09 -0600 Well, we had another one in Oklahoma. I got in 165 miles today. The temp was 68 degrees and the wind was up to about 20mph. That's calm for Oklahoma. One of those rare days you just have to take advantage of... Jeff Hopkins '89 PC 53k ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 21:59:07 -0500 To: Chrchlls2@aol.com cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: No, no, NO! Thanks, Now I can get my affairs in order. Do I have time? Can I get a refund on those damn bar end weights....??? Happy Holidays, Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 22:11:58 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: More Advertising.... While I enjoyed the debate/discussion tremendously, and Vic, once again you got with the "5th Thusday of teh month reserved for whining", Man, you are one funny cat... I thought I'd use a bit of bandwidth myself, and suggest we limit the list to ONLY advertisements. If you have something thoughtful, caring, or insightful to share, go elsewhere..... Here, we only want to see blatant, crass commercialism.... The bigger the better........ Please people, no one the list has come even close to abusing the purpose of the list, (with the exception of those that cut and past the ENTIRE previous message before adding their own comments and the whining babies that can't tell the difference between someone lending a hand and someone taking the money out of their wallets. Those resellers who are able/willing to offer assistance, PLEASE keep at it. When you detect whing, please delete. My .02. Happy Holidays, Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 08:52:22 -0700 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Wind & thoughtful design. One morning last week, here in the balmy sunny Southwest, it was 5 below at the casa. It's warmed up since then, but last night the wind was crankin' at about 40, and my bike blew over. Hallelujia for pop-off mirrors! Every time my Beemer blew over it cost bucks. Happy hollydays to all, Bob C. NM ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 11:54:24 -0700 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Wind & thoughtful design Re: bike blowing over, >whether it was on the side or center stand. If it was the side stand, >which side did it fall over on? Side stand. Blew over on the right side. It was parked pretty close to the house (a 19' high barn), a gust whomped in behind it and blew it away from the building. Precautions I've taken with the Beemer include chaining it to a lamppost so it can't blow over (hard to do with the sleek (ahem) PC) and weighting the side stand (it is a self-retracting type). Now the PC has a couple big stumps sitting on top of its side stand. By the way, the bike had a cover on it-- I'm sure it was the main reason it blew over. I doubt it would've happened without the big sail. Bob C. NM by jarvis.ims.alaska.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA03648 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 1996 10:34:19 -0900 (AKST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 10:34:19 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Wind & thoughtful design. At 08:52 AM 12/23/96 -0700, you wrote: >One morning last week, here in the balmy sunny Southwest, it was >5 below at the casa. It's warmed up since then, but last night >the wind was crankin' at about 40, and my bike blew over. Hallelujia >for pop-off mirrors! Every time my Beemer blew over it cost bucks. Sounds like you need to invest in a set of airplane wing anchors :-) (BTW, it was -31 this morning, no wind. -5 doesn't feel so bad now, huh?) >Happy hollydays to all, Thanks Bob, same to you. Juan "The best long distance runners eat raw meat, run naked and sleep in the snow" -- from an Alaska Airlines ad ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '93 ArcticCat Panther DLX University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 13:43:49 -0700 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: For sale Just got back from the dealer's, there's a '96 for sale, 6700 miles. (I think I kinda know who the previous owner is.) Dealer said he was asking $6500, would sell it for $6000. Bob C. NM ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 15:39:37 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Great riding weather In a message dated 96-12-22 18:33:07 EST, Jeff Hopkins wrote: << Well, we had another one in Oklahoma. I got in 165 miles today. The temp was 68 degrees and the wind was up to about 20mph. That's calm for Oklahoma. One of those rare days you just have to take advantage of... >> Well, we had a normal one in Oregon. I got in 90 miles yesterday. The temp was 41 and there was no wind...just rain. It was light rain, and that's average for Oregon. One of those typical days you just have to bundle up for... I had to stick to the Willamette Valley, though. There was snow in the Coastal Range to the west, the Cascades to the east, and the Columbia River Gorge. Oh, well, there's plenty to see in the Valley. Saw a guy on a VFR; knew I wasn't the only crazy one. Tim Portland, OR '94 PC - 36K and counting ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 17:54:50 -0500 From: Roger Prince To: PC800 Mail List , HSTA Cc: Carol Prince , Alex Dudley , Andy CBX , Andy Luke , Bill McKenna , Carson Wells , Chris & Elizabeth Prince , Chris & Elizabeth Prince , Cosmo Cariolo , Dana Sawyer <71430.340@compuserve.com>, Dave & Pat Fooks , Elbert Silbaugh <71203.2774@compuserve.com>, Jim & Linda Vance <76062.3667@compuserve.com>, Joe & Donna Kendall , juno , Mike & Diane Traynor , Moose Parish <73523.3636@compuserve.com>, Simon Robson , Steve Dupre , Steven Prince , Tom & Barb Murphy Subject: HO-HO-HO Christmas Eve. What a wonderful day it is. One of my sons is cooking a gourmet prime rib dinner, one of my other sons is feeding our 4-month old beautiful grandtwins and we just got back from Christmas vigil Mass. Santa Claus is having a cold beer and the reindeer are in harness. Tomorrow the rest of the family will be here for Christmas dinner. What more can you ask for? How about a 60+ degree day, mixture of clouds and sun, windy, dry roads? The old PC (108k) eventually started off the original battery. I'd have taken the new PC but the seat(s) are enroute to Sargent's for some supercell foam. My only regret is that I only had time for a 50-mile ride. New England isn't all bad. Life is good. Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to all. Roger Prince ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Chrchlls2@aol.com Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 19:48:25 -0500 To: roger@etgn14.webo.dg.com cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: HO-HO-HO MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL AND TO ALL A GOOD RIDE! SAC '89 PC 35k and counting Steve and Carol Ann Churchill Oceanside CA 68 degrees and partly cloudy no wind beautiful sunset Christmas carols on the stereo and now I ride to work on my PC ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 22:15:05 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Chrchlls2@aol.com CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: HO-HO-HO Chrchlls2@aol.com wrote: > 68 degrees and partly cloudy no wind > beautiful sunset > Christmas carols on the stereo > and now I ride to work on my PC Is it too late to ask Santa to have a couple of legs broken? :) ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net Bah, Humbug! ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 19:57:43 -0800 From: PILEWIS1 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: HO-HO-HO It is a beautiful night this Christmas Eve, in Southern California, but Phil and Meredith and Family wishes you all a very Merry Christmas, and the Happiest of Holiday seasons, no matter where your travels take you, on or off the Pacific Coast!! Phil Lewis Mission Viejo Southern California ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 01:18:23 -0500 From: Doug Powell To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Merry Christmas Hope you all have a good one. I just unloaded my 8 year old son's first bike...Honda 70. Got to start him off right! 70 degrees in south Ga. today with no wind and plenty of sunshine(I know I'm pushing it!) Got to get to bed so I can get back up with some anxious kids. Merry Christmas Everybody! Doug for ; Wed, 25 Dec 1996 12:56:56 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gordon Golder Subject: Christmas Morning in Michigan Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 12:56:56 +0000 Merry Christmas to all from Grand Rapids. Temp 11 degrees; 3 inches of snow overnight; light NW wind. Beautiful morning! PC sits in garage waiting for spring. When you riders in CA or GA or where ever you ride today, take a moment on a nice hill or twisting road to say a Barry Manilow would: "This one's for you!" -- that is for all us who have faith that spring will come again. Gordon ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 10:12:57 -0500 (EST) From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith) To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Happy Holidays from.... the tundra of Cleveland. It ain't Alaska, Juan, and thank good- ness for that. Shirley and I wish everyone a wonderful holiday and a magnificent '97 with zillions of fun and safe miles. All the Best to Everyone! Alan '89 PC800 '94 XV535 (The Better Half's) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 10:19:18 -0800 From: Robert Steve Delorey To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: newbie - more or less Hi, I was on the list for a while a couple of years ago gathering information on the PC800. Bought a '90 model last May and sold my '82 Gold Wing. I want to thank all those who responded to my questions and the list in general for all the useful information provided. I've put about 6000 miles on my PC since I purchased it and I'm delighted with the machine it's just what I was looking for. - No extras, but it does have the tall Honda windshield. I want to install an extra tail light about 12" above the cases but I use a large cargo bag that sits back there with my sleeping bag, tent etc. - Thinking of trying to make a bracket. Just bought a small utility trailer to haul the bike so I can get from St. Louis to the gulf Coast and back during January. Once there, plan to park the car and trailer for a week or so and tour the Coast over to Ft. Lauderdale. Is there by any chance a group of PC riders in the St. Louis area? Steve DeLorey sdelorey@mo.net ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 17:49:16 -0600 From: carol ann decelle-meek To: Pacific Coast Subject: cargo trailer Merry Christmas to all of you and may your riding experiences in 1997 be safe and memorable. I am looking for PC riders out there who are pulling cargo trailers. I would like specifics on the following questions? How is your trailer hitch attached? a. How did you acquire the hitch? What make of cargo trailer are you using at the present time. a. How would you critique your experience with it? b. If you were to acquire another cargo trailer, what make would you select the second time around? Those of you who have experience in pulling cargo trailers with your PC I will appreciate your input. If anyone out there has a nice cargo trailer for sale I would like to hear from you as to make, year, extras, and what you are asking for it. Thank you. r&cmeek@bayou.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 25 Dec 96 18:54:49 EST From: Keith Sproul To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Cargo Trailer > I am looking for PC riders out there who are pulling cargo trailers. I too would like to know about pulling trailers with the PC.. Specifically, the manual I have says the PC is not designed to pull a trailer. So would people please respond to the SIG on this topic.. Keith Keith Sproul Ham Radio: WU2Z Student Housing Network Coordinator ksproul@noc.rutgers.edu Rutgers University Computing Services 908 445-3695 Work 908 445-2968 Fax http://www-ns.rutgers.edu/~ksproul/ 908 821-4828 Home ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 19:41:37 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: ksproul@hardees.Rutgers.EDU CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: RE: Cargo Trailer Keith Sproul wrote: > Specifically, the manual I have says the PC is not designed to pull a > trailer. Where you say "the manual I have" substitute the phrase "the corporate lawyer". I would imagine that same disclaimer appears in the manual for the ST-1100 and Gold Wing. Check out the PC-800 Netherlands homepage and I believe there are several photos of PCs with trailer. http://web.inter.nl.net/users/G.Diepeveen/pc800/pcn3.jpg gk ________________________________________________________________________ Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut garyklim@snet.net No snow, no ice and the Chinese take out was open today. Life is good. ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 20:32:17 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Dave Lott Subject: The Best Christmas Ever Until a couple of days ago, I wasn't sure how this Christmas was going to turn out. The usual chaos of shopping was intensified by a rush trip by Debbie to Charlotte for her dad having to have open heart surgery with a triple bypass and replacement of his aortic valve with a pig valve. (I told him that one of the side effects from this surgery was that every time he passed by a Bar-B-Que joint his eyes were going to mist up.) Even though he has had a little relapse with a bout of pneumonia, he continues to fight and do a little better each day. Your continued thoughts and prayers are appreciated. Anyway, we were all struggling to get into that Christmas spirit. Yesterday was rainy and cold, but about midday the skies started to clear. It started to come together last night at Mass with great big hugs and warm wishes from family and friends. Coming out of church, there was a full moon (Heard later on the radio that this was the first time there was a full moon on Christmas Eve since 1950). We drove around several neighborhoods looking at all the lights, some were quite spectacular. Christmas Day broke sunny and cold at 34o. One of the benefits of having old boys (15, 18, 20) is their desire to get up at daybreak diminishes. As a matter of fact, Deb and I had to get them up this morning. It was a quiet but loving day. After a big, big breakfast, I thought it would be prime time to try out my new Spartan cold weather suit. So, with the temperature warmed up to 41o, I warmed up the PC, suited up and off I went. (Don't understand why I didn't have any takers on my offer to take a passenger.) Rode about 110 miles on back roads in North Georgia. Saw about 6 other riders out. All the waves seemed to be bigger than normal. I wonder if it is the Christmas spirit or trying to stay warm. I have to say that the Spartan kept me quite toasty. I have the two piece Spartan outfit and was only wearing jeans and one of my long sleeve PC embroidered cotton shirts underneath (thank you again Johan!) The Spartan bib pants fit nicely, but the jacket was a little snug around the middle reminding me of my New Year's Resolution to lose some of this extra baggage. Ride was uneventful with the exception of one interesting site. At one point, I was on a newly paved road where they had just painted the center and edge lines. There was a raccoon or possum that was a road kill victim on the side of the road and when they painted the outer stripe, they painted the line right over the body! Turned it into a skunk just like that! I wish I had had my camera. Made a mental note to start carrying one of those little disposable cameras in my tank bag for such Kodak moments. One the way back home, filled up in preparation for the "Mother I've Lost My Mind" ride on Jan. 5 up to north GA. Hopefully, the weather will be just as nice. Concluded the day with a nice family dinner and watching some old family home movies and videos. Excuse my rambling, and I know this contributed little as far as information goes, but it sure was therapeutic for me. I hope that all of you have a happy Holidays and 1997 will be a safe and prosperous one. Ride as if your life depended on it! \ Dave Lott \\ .__=. \ \____ ,' -(@)\-\<) Marietta, GA \__ \ (_______/_:\ >==.\ \___,' /# #\ | : \____ 1989 PC ,\\\___/|_|##(O)##| `./\---. / ,`--' ,======'//, //.\ . \ ( ______)_//<_> O//// ( (@O ) ) (________/ ====='o' \ `-' / `----' `---' ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 18:55:45 -0800 From: greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers ) Subject: 1996 PC Pricing To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu To all you who were so helpful three months ago when I asked for information on PC800's to start my search, I am now ready to buy and want to THANK YOU for all your help. One last favor... I have located a '96 with 3,000 miles with a dealer asking price of $6,000, and I'm seriously considering buying it. The dealer claims that the buyer thought he was being transferred and would have had a 50 mile commute, but the transfer was cancelled, so he sold the bike back to the dealer after two months. 1. This price seems reasonable to me (after a little negotiating) assuming the tires are decent and it hasn't been dropped. Any comment? 2. Is there anything else to look out for? Should I be looking under the plastic for something ugly(God forbid)? 3. Were they still putting bad tires on new bikes in '96, or is that an '89 problem only? 4. Anything else I should know to actually "do the deed"? I'm thinking of asking him to throw in a tall windshield and a backrest. Isn't that about $400 worth of goodies at retail? Thanks in advance for all your help. I'll let you know how it turns out. Greg Chambers ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Smcavin@aol.com Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 22:12:01 -0500 To: greg501@ix.netcom.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: 1996 PC Pricing Greg I feel confident that you are getting an excellent buy given the limited information. 1. The '96 PC retailed at (or tryed anyway) $8,600.00. An average retail was probably in the $7,800.00 range. 2. $6,000 is close to a 25% discount 3. 3000 miles is nothing. Barely an oil change required. 4. The bike is an awesome ride at any price. 5. You are wise - you chose a PC. Asking for accessories can't hurt - the worst thing is he says "no". I paid $5,350.00 for my 94 with 7,000. miles on it. I flew from Chicago to Atlanta to pick it up. I have no regrets. Ride safe. Bart ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 21:41:29 -0800 From: PILEWIS1 To: Greg Chambers CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: 1996 PC Pricing Greg Chambers wrote: > I have located a '96 with 3,000 miles with a dealer asking price of > $6,000, and I'm seriously considering buying it. It sounds pretty good to me. I paid $5,000 for my '90, about 2 years ago, and even though it came with some extras, like a stereo cd-changer, and only had about 1,500 miles on it, the price on the '96 sounds pretty good. Maybe it would be possible to take it on a trial basis, or maybe the dealer would allow you to take it to someone else for an inspection. Good luck, Phil 27 Dec 1996 08:44:30 -0600 (MDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 08:44:30 -0600 (MDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by cc.usu.edu From: David Clark Subject: Re: 1996 PC Pricing To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 06:55 PM 12/26/96 -0800, you wrote: >To all you who were so helpful three months ago when I asked for >information on PC800's to start my search, I am now ready to buy and >want to THANK YOU for all your help. One last favor... > >I have located a '96 with 3,000 miles with a dealer asking price of >$6,000, and I'm seriously considering buying it. The dealer claims >that the buyer thought he was being transferred and would have had a 50 >mile commute, but the transfer was cancelled, so he sold the bike back >to the dealer after two months. > Greg, Sounds like a pretty good deal. We just bought the wife a 95 for $5500, 2k miles, backrest, and CB in Salt Lake City, UT. Considering the limited supply of used bikes to choose from, and the limited miles on it, I don't think you are making a mistake. Good luck David for ; Fri, 27 Dec 1996 19:45:32 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gordon Golder Subject: PC800 challenge to BMW?? Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 19:45:32 +0000 Folks: Read in yesterday's Grand Rapids Press about a man who at 61 years of age took the "BMW Motorcycle Owners of America Mileage Contest" seriously and rode 113,205 miles in six months -- through wind, snow, rain, sun. On 20 days he rode more than 1,000 miles. Used up 17 tire and innumerable tune-ups. The article did not indicate the model of BMW. Any pc800 riders want to try to match this man's record? Is it a record? Gordon by jarvis.ims.alaska.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA02286; Fri, 27 Dec 1996 15:09:05 -0900 (AKST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 15:09:05 -0900 (AKST) To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Lights !!!! Price list !! Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 03:45 PM 12/27/96 -0600, you wrote: Jeff, how about offering this to the PC800 list as well? Very nicely they would ask, as they are a great bunch of people. Thanks! Juan >This web page is the price list for the driving lights !!! > >http://qni.com/~ppi/prices.html > >If you have to ask "What driving lights" then go to this web site... > >http://qni.com/~ppi/tenzo.html > >This price list is for The HSTA LIST and the VFR list ONLY !!!! > >All others will pay more !!!! (unless they ask really nicely) > > Thanks, Jeff "The best long distance runners eat raw meat, run naked and sleep in the snow" -- from an Alaska Airlines ad ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '93 ArcticCat Panther DLX University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: wardwell@surfsouth.com Comments: Authenticated sender is To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 20:23:07 +0000 Subject: Need some help... Well, as I mentioned a couple weeks ago, I have found a 1990 PC with 3900 miles within an hour of me. It is on consignment at a dealer for $5350 (that is supposedly take home price - tax included). I haven't posted anything about it because of a minor accident in my cage - someone rear ended my car - what a mess. Basically, I would like some advice on a couple points: What would be a good price, and what are some things to look for... I have looked over the archives with varied results... The bike looks to be in excellent condition... the only noticeable damage is some black scratches (almost looks as if they could be buffed out) on the two guards on the right side... It has had two owners and looks like the first owner bought every Hondaline accessory possible for the thing: tall shield, backrest, rear top and bottom spoilers (I didn't know their was a bottom spoiler), and cover. I am a little concerned about the bike sitting for long periods of time with that low mileage on a 90. Anyway, what do y'all think? What would be a fair price? I really am pining for this thing, especially considering it has been in the 70's the last few days and forecast is for upper 70's, low 80's all week. Knowing my luck, the day I bring it home, it will be back in the 30's with wind and rain. --Rich ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 18:08:41 -0800 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: Need some help... Rich, I paid $4500 for a '90 with 16k miles on it 2 years ago. Low mileage aside, $5300 seems a bit steep. OYOH, new ones are $8k. :) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 21:52:57 -0500 From: Doug Powell To: wardwell@surfsouth.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Need some help... Rich, I paid right at $4000.00 for my 89 with over 10,000 miles. Bought it from a friend in Lenox(south of Tifton). The bike was never dropped(until I got it). Do you know how the Black scratches came to be? I had to replace both guards on mine(low side) but you would never know it now. My bike also had tall shield, back rest, rack and Corbin seat. See if you can talk them down a little but take all the extras into consideration too. See ya, Doug ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 22:24:10 -0800 From: PILEWIS1 To: wardwell@surfsouth.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Need some help... wardwell@surfsouth.com wrote: > > Well, as I mentioned a couple weeks ago, I have found a 1990 PC with > 3900 miles..... Hi Rick- The bike sounds pretty good, but maybe just a little on the high side for price. It seems that the dealer has a pretty good commission tacked on. I bought my '90 PC under similar conditions, almost 2 years ago. It only had about 1500 miles. A lot of those '90's, were sold new in about '92 or so, making them really a little newer (in real terms) than their manufacture year. So, I wouldn't worry about the low mileage. If the previous owners were like the guy who owned mine, they probably only rode it on weekends, and then not very far at that. That's one reason why the mileage may be low, like mine was. Mine also has the upper and lower spoilers, tall windshield, and even has the Kenwood factory radio with 10-disc CD Changer. With all this, the price asking price by the dealer was $5,095, the bike was also on consignment, and I paid it because the bike was like new. The only suggestions I can make are, if possible, find out when the bike was first sold and find out if there is still a warranty. The original owner of my bike purchased the factory new warranty, which is transferable for $100. He bought the bike in '94, so I have over 2 years of warranty left, and you might be able to do the same. In any event, I love my '90, so It's Not For Sale, sorry! :-) If I was really pining away, and it was only an hour from my house, my credit card would already be out of my wallet!! ;-) Happy Riding, Phil Lewis So. Cal. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 29 Dec 96 07:32:12 EST From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Cc: HSTA Postings to List Subject: For Sale FOR SALE - One pair of Eclipse Electric Chaps, size large, brand new...never worn. Includes "Y" cord...you will need a vest and power supply cord to electric system... $50 plus shipping. Dana Sawyer 803/781-4293 71430,340@Compuserve.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 08:34:42 -0600 From: carol ann decelle-meek To: Pacific Coast Subject: addresses and 1-800 numbers Can anyone out there supply me with the mailing addresses and/or 1 800 numbers of the manufacturers of the following tank bags: 1. Eclipse 2. Chase Harper 3. Tour Master Thank you. r&cmeek@bayou.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 20:49:20 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Dave Lott Subject: New 96 Found To any who might be interested: While in Charlotte NC this weekend visiting my in-laws, I took a quick break to run by the local Honda dealer and see if they had any goodies on sale as well as to see if they had one of the new 97s on the floor. While I didn't have any luck on the goodies, they did have a brand new 96 PC on the showroom with a sign indicating the asking price was $7,300. I did notice that the top left edge of the left mirror housing had a rub spot like it had rubbed up against a door frame or something when it was being moved. Also, there was a 1" scratch on the top of the front fender. For this, the dealer might be willing to knock a little off. Don't want to be accused of spamming, so if interested drop me a line and I will give you the name of the dealer. As an aside, thanks to all of you that have sent notes regarding my father-in-law. Your thoughts and prayers have been most beneficial, as he has been able to knock down the pneumonia and was able to come home on Saturday. He still has a long way to go recovering from his heart surgery, but he has a great attitude and spirit. Our families join in thanking you! Ride as if your life depended on it! \ Dave Lott \\ .__=. \ \____ ,' -(@)\-\<) Marietta, GA \__ \ (_______/_:\ >==.\ \___,' /# #\ | : \____ 1989 PC ,\\\___/|_|##(O)##| `./\---. / ,`--' ,======'//, //.\ . \ ( ______)_//<_> O//// ( (@O ) ) (________/ ====='o' \ `-' / `----' `---' ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 12:19:09 -0500 From: Doug Powell To: wardwell@surfsouth.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Need some help... Rich, I think you better hurry up and buy the bike, can you believe this weather? Supposed to get near 80 today, strange but not complaining! Doug ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 09:38:37 -0800 From: PILEWIS1 To: Doug Powell CC: wardwell@surfsouth.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Need some help... Doug Powell wrote: > > Rich, > > I think you better hurry up and buy the bike, can you believe this > weather? Supposed to get near 80 today, strange but not complaining! > > Doug > -- I promise, I won't send Guido, but where is this 80 degree weather??!! Phil So. Cal. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Roger Prince" To: "Doug Powell" , Cc: Subject: Re: Need some help... Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 13:37:24 -0500 Here come Guido......with his suntan lotion stashed in his kneebreaker! Enjoy it. Wish I could. ################################################################ *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman *FRANKLIN, MA ################################################################ ---------- > From: Doug Powell > To: wardwell@surfsouth.com > Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: Need some help... > Date: Monday, December 30, 1996 12:19 PM > > Rich, > > I think you better hurry up and buy the bike, can you believe this > weather? Supposed to get near 80 today, strange but not complaining! > > Doug > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. by jarvis.ims.alaska.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA08723 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 09:39:05 -0900 (AKST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 09:39:05 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Seattle MC Show Hello Folks! Hope your Christmas was merry and you got all you wished for. Our systems were down for a couple of days, so I want to make sure if there is a decision to meet in Seattle on Friday PM. If the weather holds we'll be leaving tonight, so I'll be incomunicado. If anyone has the info, I'd appreciate the update. Thanks! BTW, to help people in the NW feel better about their weather, here's a copy of our local forecast: >FAIRBANKS AND VICINITY FORECAST >NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FAIRBANKS AK >530 AM AST MON DEC 30 1996 > >..SLOW DOWNWARD TREND IN TEMPERATURES THROUGH NEW YEARS DAY... > >TODAY...SUNNY AND COLD. LIGHT WIND. HIGH 20 BELOW. >TONIGHT AND TUESDAY...MOSTLY CLEAR AND COLD. LOW 35 BELOW. >HIGH 20 TO 25 BELOW. >OUTLOOK FOR NEW YEARS DAY...CLEAR AND COLDER. >LOW 35 TO 40 BELOW. HIGH 25 BELOW. > >FAIRBANKS TEMPERATURE RECORDS FOR TODAY...MONDAY. >RECORD HIGH 35 IN 1982. >RECORD LOW 57 BELOW IN 1961. >NORMAL HIGH 1 BELOW. NORMAL LOW 17 BELOW. >AVERAGE TEMPERATURE 9 BELOW. >SUNRISE 1057 AM. SUNSET 253 PM. >POSSIBLE SUNSHINE 3 HOURS 56 MINUTES. >GAIN 3 MINUTES. Cheers! Juan "The best long distance runners eat raw meat, run naked and sleep in the snow" -- from an Alaska Airlines ad ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '93 ArcticCat Panther DLX University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Roger Prince" To: , "Doug Powell" Cc: , Subject: Re: Need some help... Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 13:39:56 -0500 Guido's tan is fading. He's been visiting Juan. Hey, Juan, did you get what I heard you were getting for Christmas from Guido's cousin? Roger ---------- > From: PILEWIS1 > To: Doug Powell > Cc: wardwell@surfsouth.com; pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: Need some help... > Date: Monday, December 30, 1996 12:38 PM > > Doug Powell wrote: > > > > Rich, > > > > I think you better hurry up and buy the bike, can you believe this > > weather? Supposed to get near 80 today, strange but not complaining! > > > > Doug > > -- > > > I promise, I won't send Guido, but where is this 80 degree weather??!! > > Phil > So. Cal. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us Mon, 30 Dec 1996 10:00:47 -0900 AKMAIL1.Alaska To: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu ("Juan A. Goula"), pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Seattle MC Show Date: 30 Dec 96 09:55:50 KST Me too. I'm not leaving until Thursday but my last day at work is tomorrow and I won't have computer access. I will be staying at the Quality Inn on 8th Ave. in Seattle, I can be reached there starting Thurs. night. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Seattle MC Show Author: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu ("Juan A. Goula") at CC2MHS1 Date: 12/30/96 9:39 AM Hello Folks! Hope your Christmas was merry and you got all you wished for. Our systems were down for a couple of days, so I want to make sure if there is a decision to meet in Seattle on Friday PM. If the weather holds we'll be leaving tonight, so I'll be incomunicado. If anyone has the info, I'd appreciate the update. Thanks! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us'" , "'jgoula@ims.alaska.edu'" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Seattle MC Show Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 11:30:00 -0800 Sorry, with the bad weather and all I haven't staked out a restaurant to meet at Friday night before the show. I'll drive into Seattle tonight and check things out. Tomorrow I'll send out mail with the meeting place. If you won't have access to email, call me at the phone numbers below and I'll tell you where to meet. Sorry for the delay on getting the details settled sooner. Just to reiterate the plan: --------------------------------------- PC800 group meets from 6:00pm to 7:30 at . Walk over to the show at 7:30pm It's raining hard and near 50 degrees here so snow is disappearing fast. Now that I'm back at work I kind of miss it. :( -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- by jarvis.ims.alaska.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA08900 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 12:16:48 -0900 (AKST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 12:16:48 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Need some help... At 01:39 PM 12/30/96 -0500, you wrote: >Guido's tan is fading. He's been visiting Juan. Hey Roger! It is a little known fact that Alaskans don't tan, they just thaw. >Hey, Juan, did you get what I heard you were getting for Christmas from >Guido's cousin? Yep, I sure did! Except it came from my wife. She'd be P. O.'ed if I called her Guido's cousin =:-O. I have a brand spanking new Givi Maxia trunk and the hardware to mount it. Now all I need is a bit of warm weather (anything above -5 will do) so I can boot one of the cages outside and I can have some room in the garage to work on the PC. I will also install a set of Tenzo driving lamps, probably under the mirror pods- a la ST1100. Pictures will be forthcoming. Have a Happy New Year! Juan "The best long distance runners eat raw meat, run naked and sleep in the snow" -- from an Alaska Airlines ad ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '93 ArcticCat Panther DLX University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- by jarvis.ims.alaska.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA08914; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 12:19:43 -0900 (AKST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 12:19:43 -0900 (AKST) To: "Jeff Knights" From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Lights Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 10:21 AM 12/30/96 -0600, Jeff Knights wrote: >Hey Juan...I noticed you forwarded the message about the lights to the >pc800 list...Thats Ok by me !! If you would, please relay to them that any >of their business is welcome...and of course they get the same price as the >VFR/HSTA lists.... Thanks !!! Hello Jeff, My pleasure. I know those lights are neat, so I thought I'd share with the PC folks. Have a Happy New Year. Juan "The best long distance runners eat raw meat, run naked and sleep in the snow" -- from an Alaska Airlines ad ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula '90 Honda PC800 School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences '93 ArcticCat Panther DLX University of Alaska Fairbanks '96 ArcticCat EXT EFI MountainCat AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 20:35:58 -0500 From: Doug Powell To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Need some help... PILEWIS1 wrote: > > > Doug > > -- > > I promise, I won't send Guido, but where is this 80 degree weather??!! > > Phil > So. Cal. > -- Hey Phil, I live about 45 min. north of the Florida line...Adel, Ga. This is not typical weather here. The PC Gods are showering us with near record highs with little or no rain(for now). I really did'nt appreciate it until I read Juan's weather report, I feel so guilty...NOT! See ya Doug ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 17:53:56 -0800 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: 80 degrees In the summer, when we here in the PNW are enjoying a leisurelu ride in the mid 70's, your brains shall boik in your helmet, and you'll never get the love bugs and mosquitos off your gear! :) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: wardwell@surfsouth.com Comments: Authenticated sender is To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 20:59:35 +0000 Subject: Weather... > > I promise, I won't send Guido, but where is this 80 degree weather??!! > I live about 45 min. north of the Florida line...Adel, Ga. This is not > typical weather here. The PC Gods are showering us with near record > highs with little or no rain(for now). I really did'nt appreciate it > until I read Juan's weather report, I feel so guilty...NOT! > I am about 30 minutes north of Doug... amazing weather we're having... and this is definitely not normal even for south Georgia - normal high is 59 degrees. And Doug, you're right, as soon as I buy my PC it'll turn 35 and rainy. BTW - Doug, two PC's in South Georgia - that might be enough for a South Georgia PC Club. :-) **Anyone planning on going to the motorcycle show in Atlanta, Georgia in January? --Rich ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 00:27:23 -0500 From: "Blaise R. Box" To: wardwell@surfsouth.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Weather... I would love to be there since I too live just north of Atlanta (Duluth). When and where is the show ?? I would love to link up with a few here in Atl. See you all soon. Blaise. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: wardwell@surfsouth.com Comments: Authenticated sender is To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 08:35:50 +0000 Subject: Re: Atlanta MC Show > I would love to be there since I too live just north of Atlanta > (Duluth). > > When and where is the show ?? > > I would love to link up with a few here in Atl. The "Largest Motorcycle Show in the Southeast" is in Atlanta at the North Atlanta Trade Center, Jan 17-19. I think it is officially called the "Great American Motorcycle Show". Show info: Fri 4-9pm, Sat 10am-9pm and Sun 10am-6pm Free Parking Adm $7adults $3 Kids 12 and under. Take I-85 to Indian Trail (Exit 38) and Follow the Signs. 770-279-9899. I got the previous information from the Atlanta Backroad Reader web site: http://www.mindspring.com/~jba/hte/abr.html I know their are a number of Atlanta PC owners on this list... maybe we should expand to the Georgia PC Club... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 10:51:14 -0500 From: "Blaise R. Box" To: wardwell@surfsouth.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Atlanta MC Show wardwell@surfsouth.com wrote: > > > I would love to be there since I too live just north of Atlanta > > (Duluth). > > > > When and where is the show ?? > > > > I would love to link up with a few here in Atl. > > The "Largest Motorcycle Show in the Southeast" is in Atlanta at the > North Atlanta Trade Center, Jan 17-19. I think it is officially > called the "Great American Motorcycle Show". > Show info: > Fri 4-9pm, Sat 10am-9pm and Sun 10am-6pm Free Parking Adm > $7adults $3 Kids 12 and under. Take I-85 to Indian Trail (Exit 38) > and Follow the Signs. 770-279-9899. > > I got the previous information from the Atlanta Backroad Reader web site: > http://www.mindspring.com/~jba/hte/abr.html > > I know their are a number of Atlanta PC owners on this list... maybe we > should expand to the Georgia PC Club... > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. I think getting a list of the Georgia PC'ers is a good idea. Lets try to get a compiled list togather. Maybe try to arrange to meet at the Atlanta show. Thanks for the info on the show. Blaise. Duluth, Ga. 770-497-0779 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 31 Dec 96 20:27:29 UT From: "Paul Hayes" To: Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us, "Bryce Ulrich" , jgoula@ims.alaska.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Seattle MC Show My PC is in the shed out behind my house. Normally not a problem to get it out, except there was a foot of snow in the yard until today. I'm hoping that it thaws enough to allow me to get it out in time for the Seattle MC show on Friday. The other problem is that even if it all thaws, when I take the bike out I'll risk leaving a deep run in the marsh that's left of my yard. I would also risk dumping it if I get to slipping and sliding. Touch-n-go. I'll update you on Friday Morning. - pauly ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Bryce Ulrich Sent: Monday, December 30, 1996 11:30 AM To: 'Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us'; 'jgoula@ims.alaska.edu'; 'pc800@hpc.uh.edu' Subject: RE: Seattle MC Show Sorry, with the bad weather and all I haven't staked out a restaurant to meet at Friday night before the show. I'll drive into Seattle tonight and check things out. Tomorrow I'll send out mail with the meeting place. If you won't have access to email, call me at the phone numbers below and I'll tell you where to meet. Sorry for the delay on getting the details settled sooner. Just to reiterate the plan: --------------------------------------- PC800 group meets from 6:00pm to 7:30 at . Walk over to the show at 7:30pm It's raining hard and near 50 degrees here so snow is disappearing fast. Now that I'm back at work I kind of miss it. :( -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ----------------------------------------------------------