********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PILEWIS@aol.com Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 01:38:36 -0500 To: G.Diepeveen@inter.nl.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: FAQ In a message dated 96-10-31 18:12:35 EST, G.Diepeveen@inter.NL.net (Gerard Diepeveen) writes: << Does anyone if there is a FAQ on this list? if so let me know and how I can read all about it. I am trying to setup a FAQ for our dutch page in English and Dutch. Thanks BTW is there any hope for us in Holland to get pictures of the new '97 model if so send them to me I will place them in my next update of our page. PLEASE SCAN PLEASE SCAN Thanks in advance Gerard Diepeveen, PCN ----------------------------------------------------- >> I just discovered, today, that my local Honda dealer has a brand spanking new '97 PC sitting right there on his sales floor. If I get a chance tomorrow, I'll take some polaroids and scan them and send them to you. I don't think AOL works too well, so I'll send them using Netscape. I'll use MIME encoding, and send JPEG, unless you have some other preference. I didn't have much luck in sending pictures to our own web page, previously, but I may have done it incorrectly. I think I'll just send them to Johan, who I know will know how to get them into our Web. Phil Lewis So. Cal. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 09:28:13 +0100 (MET) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gerard Diepeveen Subject: Winterizing Wow -35 -30 celsius degrees thats havy, In Holland teperatures almost never go below -10 celcius degrees and I never have seen 1,2 meters of snow in Holland. Sorry I did not know Thanks for the respons on float bolts Gerard, PCN ----------------------------------------------------- Gerard Diepeveen '89 White Pacific Coast Netherlands O-PC-O:-) "May the Pacific Coast be with you" http://www.inter.nl.net/users/G.Diepeveen/pc800.htm ---------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 07:18:50 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Winterizing Hi Gary: I've used "Hippo Hands" before (on my old '76 Wing), and they worked quite well. Like you said, if you have to look at the controls, . . . I have not tried them on the PC as yet (I think I'll dig them out and see how they fit). Another option for cold hands is heated grips. I believe someone on the list has installed them on their PC and has reported good things. Maybe the "hot" setup would be heated grips and Hippo Hands! Hmmm, I wonder if they make Hippo Feet (or heated foot pegs)? :) JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 07:18:56 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Flaming Tires? Hi Nick: I ride fairly agressively, but I'm no real scratcher. I've had good results with both the Metzeler ML2s and the Dunlop K177s (I think that's the designation. If I were home, I'd go out to the garage and look. But since I'm in Birmingham for the weekend, I'll just have to risk the embarassment of not knowing what tires I've got on my bike). I think I'm going to stick with the Dunlops. They're a bit cheaper and a lot easier to find (although the Metzeler shortage may be over by now). JT (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 1 Nov 1996 21:59:17 +1000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 21:59:17 +1000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: ultspnch@ecn.net.au (Ronald Grant) Subject: Hippo Hands! Wow that brings back memories! I had a GREAT set of Hippo Hands that I got from J.C. Whitney for about $20, say 10 years ago, in my past life in Montreal. Used them alot on my RD350LC after October or so......they worked great, I could ALMOST ride without gloves at all down to 0 c. But I have to tell you this story....one time with them on we ran down to Carlisle for a fall car show, and ran back 1/2 one day, to bunk up in a motel. The next am of course tons of kicking, but no m/c start, pulled the plugs, no action...etc, etc....so decided the black box was dead....not common but not unknown on those m/c. So bundled all stuff on mates bike and rolled the 400 miles home, hiding the RD in the motel owners back room. Returned next w/end by car with trailer....after a week of laying in bed thinking.... I had an idea.....when I arrived at motel , I VERY carefully peeled off Hippo Hands.....of COURSE.....the kill switch was to OFF position!!!! SUPERDUMMY! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 07:40:03 -0500 From: Roger Prince To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Flaming Tires? There is currently a backorder on K177s in the PC size. I have a set on backorder at Chaparral and Competition Accessories. I received one front from Chaparral with a date code "293"!! Week 29 (July) of 1993! Talk about stale. I sent it back. I received another front from Chaparral and its date code is 396, week 39, 1996 - fresh. The stale tire had a Honda Part No. sticker. Beware. Roger Fri, 1 Nov 1996 8:10:31 -0500 (EST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 08:11:57 -0600 To: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM>, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Trunk Wear-Through Revisited > - The bike has only a one-year warranty > > - The problem is due to the Dunlop K555 on my bike, which THEY CLAIM WAS >NEVER OEM ON PC'S > > K555 was on my brand new 90 PC when I bought it. Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 08:46:08 -0500 (EST) From: Barry Shaffer Subject: Re: Trunk Wear-Through Revisited To: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> cc: PC800 List Dear Steve; I bought my '89 last spring with 914 miles on it. The bike had Dunlop 555's on front and rear. The bike still does at 8300 miles with tread to spare. I haven't noticed the liner problem but I do check occasionallly. Barry Shaffer (716) 679-3185 Grape Farm Mgmt.Specialist Fax (716) 679-3122 412 E. Main St. email:bshaffer@cce.cornell.edu Fredonia, NY 14063 CENET:bshaffer 01 Nov 1996 09:51:41 -0600 (CST) 01 Nov 1996 08:52:18 -0700 01 Nov 1996 08:51:29 -0700 01 Nov 1996 08:51:04 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 08:51:03 -0700 (MST) From: Eric York Subject: Re: Trunk Wear-Through Revisited To: "Waldo E. Meeks" Cc: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM>, pc800@hpc.uh.edu I am willing to bet that Honda's claim is that the K555 was not OEM on _'89_ PC's. This is the only year I know of that came with two different tires. Eric York 01 Nov 1996 09:51:11 -0600 (CST) 01 Nov 1996 08:48:07 -0700 01 Nov 1996 08:47:18 -0700 01 Nov 1996 08:46:53 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 08:46:53 -0700 (MST) From: Eric York Subject: Re: Trunk Wear-Through Revisited To: Roger Prince Cc: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com>, PC800 List On Thu, 31 Oct 1996, Roger Prince wrote: > I don't know how you prove it but I have never seen nor heard of a PC > coming from the factory with anything but K555s. I have had 2 90's and > a '95, all came with K555s. > They (Honda) don't admit to anything, do they? My '89 came with K177s Eric York 01 Nov 1996 09:49:50 -0600 (CST) 01 Nov 1996 08:50:26 -0700 01 Nov 1996 08:49:36 -0700 01 Nov 1996 08:49:04 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 08:49:03 -0700 (MST) From: Eric York Subject: Re: Flaming Tires? To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu On Fri, 1 Nov 1996 JTSMCRIDER@aol.com wrote: > Hi Nick: > > I ride fairly agressively, but I'm no real scratcher. I've had good results > with both the Metzeler ML2s and the Dunlop K177s (I think that's the > designation. If I were home, I'd go out to the garage and look. But since > I'm in Birmingham for the weekend, I'll just have to risk the embarassment of > not knowing what tires I've got on my bike). I would heartily reccommend the ML2+ over the K1777. Lasts much longer, seems to stick just as well and track better. Just my $.02 Eric York ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mskrocki@meldrum.com Date: Fri, 01 Nov 96 14:19:11 est To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Audio System? I found this article "Stereo Valkyrie" on Motorcycle On-line (www.motorcycle.com) this system fits in Corbin's Grifter saddlebags with a Kenwood 10 disc changer system with J&M Amplifier and bar mounted speakers and remote controls. Maybe this system could be adapted for the PC800? Well I sent them an e-mail and maybe anyone else who is interested should too. The address is: audio@corbin.com Enjoy the ride. Mark Mark & Sandra Skrocki Shaker Hts., OH mskrocki@meldrum.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 14:55:37 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: harness@vt.edu (Mike Harness) Subject: Weight and Horsepower questions Questions: 1) My '95 has a weight capacity of 369 lbs, according to the owners manual. What are the short-term or long-term effects of overloading? I'm asking because I'm 6'2" and 240 lbs, and the 369 lb limit doesn't allow for any of my friends over 129 lbs to ride with me. I don't want to move up to a Gold Wing, because I do 95% of my riding alone, and find that this bike is just right. My prveious bike, an '82 CB750K didn't care how much weight I loaded on it. Sometimes I would like to ride with a friend, but I'm a little paranoid about possible ruing the drive shaft or the differential. 2) How much horsepower does a '95 have? Thanks in advance for your responses. Mike Harness 1995 PC800 with 6,500 miles I bought it used in Sept 1995 with 2,200 miles ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 15:20:31 -0500 cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Flaming Tires? The new K 177s are more than a match for the Metzeler's. Dunlop must of changed its compound sometime in during 1995. The 1996 tires were a vast imporvement over the ones that came on my 1994 bike. The most noticeable differences were the lack of high speed searching, and new cornering abilities. Boy, do they lean! You can go into a corner, down wind and short. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Mcwilson@aol.com Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 17:51:45 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Trunk Wear-Through Revisited Perhaps a dead horse, but the tire-was-too-wide story is of limited validity. My dealer admitted the design flaw and replaced the trunk under the terms of the 3 year unlimited mileage warranty that came with the bike. No hassles. If only the melting dashboard were as easily fixed....... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 01 Nov 96 18:04:54 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: Trunk-Wear Thanks, and Freaky Friday Many, many thanks to all of you (to-date: Juan, Mat, Gary, Roger, Ray, JT, Judd, Waldo, Barry, Eric, I hope I didn't miss anyone!) for coming through so quickly on my plea for help. I took your letters, along with the Ian Smith reports suggested by Ray, down to Rick at Huntington Honda. They certainly convinced him that the K-555's have been OEM on PC's. Oh, and one other trivial piece of evidence - the brand-new 97 PC sitting in his lot is wearing - you guessed it - K555's front and rear! Despite all this, he still mumbled something about "warranty" - I don't think he gets the "design defect" argument at all. He did encourage me to write to Honda, which I certainly will do. No matter how this turns out, I again want to thank all of you - this is exactly what this group is all about! FREAKY FRIDAY: While riding to work from Huntington Honda, about a 15 minute ride, I passed 2 white PC's, and a black PC is sitting in my parking structure! What's going on here?! Is this bike finally catching on? Steve ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 18:13:55 -0500 To: 73414.466@compuserve.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Trunk Wear-Through Revisited Well, I'm gratified to know (if gratified is the correct word here...) that there's at least one other Honda dealership that's..... STUPID!!!!! STUPID! STUPID! STUPID! My '94 came with K555's OEM when I bought it new from (STUPID!) Honda here in the Portland area. I went to K177's on subsequent sets. How does this tie in with the '89 PC? I've still got the MCN article on the 1994 PC800 that set me to thinking about buying a PC in the first place. And the specs in the article indicate that the '94 PC tires were K177F. But my bike came stock with 555s! That's when a dealership near Portland (not the STUPID! dealership) informed me that the K555s were OEM on all models since '89 but K177s were the replacement stock. I'd often wondered after that whether the STUPID! dealership had switched tires on my bike to get rid of some old K555 stock, or if the MCN article was wrong. But since I've yet to run into a PC-owner who had K177s OEM, I lean toward the MCN article being wrong... Tim Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 15:30:00 -0800 From: ERIC MATTHEWS To: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Trunk-Wear Steve: K555's front and rear on my '95. E. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 17:13:52 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: John LaFreniere Subject: some pix of my 89... Check out: http://john.csun.edu/john/pc800.htm If you want to see some pictures of my '89 PC800 with: X-tra tall Rifle windscreen Rear "wing" Grey "tee-shirt" seat cover My cup/can holder (almost too embarrased to point this one out) Digital Clock Sony Stereo Wired remote control Parking Permit Bracket Comments/Suggestions welcome. John LaFreniere http://john.csun.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 22:53:39 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: rnielsen@isd.net (Ray Nielsen) Subject: Some new(?) information about PC trunk liners Since I had a free trunk liner from Honda before the first year's warranty was up on my 89 PC, I can recap what I learned at that time and have commented on before in this mailing list. The PC was originally intended for manufacture in Marysville,OH and would have used K-177s which are made by Dunlop in upstate New York. The owner's manual states the tires are K-177s which may reflect that original choice. Manufacture was taken back to Hammamatsu, Japan at the last minute to avoid laying off Japanese workers and Japanese Dunlops were used (K555s). These are just a little bit wider even though they carry the same size designation of 140/80-15. On a hot day when they heat up and expand a bit they can rub on the inside left edge of the trunk liner and wear through. The problem seemed to be serial number sensitive and my dealer had to check to see if my bike was affected by a "hidden" warranty. It was serial no. 3233 and was in that group. Honda's response was to replace the swing arm, tire and trunk liner with a newer part redesigned for the 90 models. This part has now replaced the 89 part number and is the only one available from Honda presently. The tire they supplied was the K-177 because of it's narrower width; that alone would probably have solved the problem. The new swing arm weighed three pounds more than the original, but otherwise I couldn't detect any differences (maybe thicker stock?). It came with new bearings too. Being a cycle mechanic, my dealer let me do the parts swap as I wanted experience with the bike. It was a fair amount of work what with removing the rear plastic components to get at the trunk liner and the swing arm too. After reassembly the tire cleared the liner by about 3/8" and never gave any more problems. I couldn't detect any difference in handling, but I'm a very conservative rider. IMHO it would suffice to use the Dunlop K-177 tires to eliminate the problem. Metzelers ML2 tires seem very close to the original K555s in width when inflated to their maximum of 49 PSI and might rub, although I can't swear to it. I did run Metzeler's once but that was after the change of trunk liner. The clearance was reduced compared to the K-177s, in fact I could only get the thin end of a matchbook between the tire and liner. Compounding this is the fact that the PC dumps a lot of heat from the engine cooling shroud and the muffler on the rear tire during normal operation. I regularly noted an increase of tire pressure from the 41-42 PSI (cold) settings to over 50 PSI after about an hours riding in hot weather. This is way over the usual increase of about 10% expected. You shouldn't drop the pressure back down of course, but I'll bet this increase swells the tires width a bit more. Put this all together and it probably explains the problem and the solution. Hope this helps. Ray Nielsen ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 10:12:00 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Weight and Horsepower questions Hi MIke: The Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR), from which the carrying capacity is derived, is determined by the manufacturer based on many factors in the design. It could be based on the tires' load limits, wheel strength, suspension capacity (which would effect handling and stability), chassis strength and stiffness, etc. It is based on the "weakest link" principle, and for the PC (or any other bike) I have no idea what that weakest link might be. I'm sure the design engineers know, but the corporate product-liability lawyers would never let them say what it is. There must also be some sort of "safety margin" built into the GVWR, but who knows what that really is? And it is that safety margin that is relevant to your question regarding the consequences of overloading. People have been overloading motorcycles routinely for a long time (your CB750 did in fact "care" how much you put on it), and most get away with it without anything catastrophic, especially since the switch to tubeless tires. Occasional, brief overloads of a reasonable nature, say 100 lbs or so, shouldn't be too much of a problem on the PC. Perhaps those in the group that routinely carry passengers could assess how much they have been overloading (most of them probably do) and report some specifics. About all you can do to minimize the short-term consequences is to max out the suspension adjustments--on the PC, that is limited to left-rear-spring preload and tire pressures. (If you routinely carry a passenger, then you can get aftermarket springs and dampers to support the load better, but since you only do so occasionally, this would be impractical, because the ones I know about are not adjustable.) The tires are the first thing to consider. Their maximum-load capacity and the associated maximum inflation pressure are printed on the tires. It would not be wise to exceed this rating, especially if you are talking anything more than a short, low-speed cruise around town. And tire pressure is the single most important item on your daily pre-ride check whether you're going solo or with a passenger. Suspension preload is critical to ride height, and that is an important factor in handling. Ideally, the preload at both ends should result in a static suspension "sag" of about an inch with the intended load on board. If this can't be achieved with the adjustment available, then you may have some unusual handling to deal with like slower, less-precise steering and possibly some steering wobble, especially at low speeds. Also affected will be headlight aiming: a poorly aimed headlight reduces your sight distance at night and can be blinding to other drivers/riders. Since the adjustment on the PC is not as convenient as it should be, changing the aim can become a tedious chore if required often. You will probably also notice some handling effects due inadequate suspension damping and greater flexing of the swing arm and other chassis parts. These can include bottoming over bumps and wallowing in turns. As far as long-term effects, there should be few if you carry excessive loads infrequently. But if you do it frequently, you can anticipate faster tire, brake and clutch wear; more frequent need to replace springs and shock absorbers; and more frequent replacement of steering-head bearings, fork and swing-arm bushings, etc. And since the drive shaft will be operating at an unintended angle, you could have premature failure of the flexible portions of the final drive. I hope all of this helps. I'm sure others will offer more. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 10:11:56 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fwd: Winterizing In a message dated 96-11-01 23:19:55 EST, rnielsen@isd.net (Ray Nielsen) writes: << I bought heated hand grips from Dennis Kirk; they sell two sizes, one is 7/8" on each side and is for snowmobiles, the other is 7/8" and 1" respectively for motorcycles. They require about 15W each on high and half that on low. The power level switch will mount easily inside the left compartment on the rear edge; the resistor for low power fits well if glued with RTV rubber on the top frame rail nearby the switch. They have been on the bike for several years and had to be repaired this year. Had to cut away some rubber on the throttle side unit and repair a broken wire -- RTV'd it back up and it's working well. Even though I sold this bike earlier in 96, I still help maintain it, and the new owner loves the heated grips and IS using them with handlebar covers originally designed for a snowmobile. He often has a smug look on his face as others ride in some discomfort while he basks in heat. The SOB! If you buy handlebar covers for a snowmobile, be sure you opt for the waterproof kind; they'll be useful in a rainstorm that way as well as for warmth. The fellow who now owns the PC is Jeff Jewson and you can ask him for further opinions by dropping him a line at . He also monitors the PC mailing list and may see this reply as well. Perhaps he'll respond directly. Ray Nielsen >> --------------------- Forwarded message: ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rnielsen@isd.net (Ray Nielsen) To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: 96-11-01 23:19:55 EST >I believe someone on the list has installed them on their >PC and has reported good things. Maybe the "hot" setup >would be heated grips and Hippo Hands! > I bought heated hand grips from Dennis Kirk; they sell two sizes, one is 7/8" on each side and is for snowmobiles, the other is 7/8" and 1" respectively for motorcycles. They require about 15W each on high and half that on low. The power level switch will mount easily inside the left compartment on the rear edge; the resistor for low power fits well if glued with RTV rubber on the top frame rail nearby the switch. They have been on the bike for several years and had to be repaired this year. Had to cut away some rubber on the throttle side unit and repair a broken wire -- RTV'd it back up and it's working well. Even though I sold this bike earlier in 96, I still help maintain it, and the new owner loves the heated grips and IS using them with handlebar covers originally designed for a snowmobile. He often has a smug look on his face as others ride in some discomfort while he basks in heat. The SOB! If you buy handlebar covers for a snowmobile, be sure you opt for the waterproof kind; they'll be useful in a rainstorm that way as well as for warmth. The fellow who now owns the PC is Jeff Jewson and you can ask him for further opinions by dropping him a line at . He also monitors the PC mailing list and may see this reply as well. Perhaps he'll respond directly. Ray Nielsen ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 01:55:34 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daan van der Weide Subject: stupid stupid stupid Leaving in haste I tried to drive today without first removing the U-lock from my front wheel. If you've never tried it, don't: *it doesn't work* ;-) So I'm now looking for the two plastic side parts of the front fender (mine do have orange reflectors on them), color white. Are these easy to get? Could be I'm not the single most stupid PC800 driver and that it did happen to someone else who maybe remembers the cost of the parts... thanks. --- Daan van der Weide ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PILEWIS@aol.com Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 03:21:30 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Running Lights I just finished a simple modification that turned my rear turn signals into, running lights and turn signals. I've had a few requests, so here's how I did it. I had to buy new sockets that would take the 2 filament bulbs. I tried the Honda dealer, to buy the 2 filament sockets that come in the front turn signals, and they said it was a special order. Being the impulsive person I am, I just went down to the local Pep Boys Auto Parts, and found the closest match I could. I had already removed the rear lenses, and brought those into the store. I found a generic (Calterm is the brand name) AMC-CHRYSLER-GM-FORD socket assembly, number 08542 and 08543, that would fit the lens with just a little bending of the prongs. I had to get one of each because they didn't have the two that were the same, and I was in the mood to get my bike back together, and go riding. Anyway, one socket came with an attached grounding wire and one didn't. Since the grounding wire is mandatory, I just soldered a ground wire to the socket that didn't have one. I would suggest, however, trying to find the socket with the ground wire. Soldering that wire is kind of a hassle. If you're not impatient like me, you could hold out and order that front socket from your Honda dealer, to use in the back. It's obviously a 2 filament socket, and although I don't know for sure, I'd be will to bet that it would fit the rear lens cover without any modification. Anyway, the price for all this is fairly cheap. About $3.50 for each socket, and $1.69 for the bulbs. The all you have to do is remove the four hex bolts, drop the brake light assembly, remove the turn signal lenses, remove the old sockets and then cut the wires. On my '90, the green wires are the ground wires. So, now all you have to do is, bend the prongs on the new sockets to make it fit the opening in the lens cover, put in the new bulb in the new socket, put the new socket in the lens cover, and now attach the old wires to the respective ground and turn signal filament, and then attach the remaining wire to another power source. For that other power wire, I used the steady light (the center light) on brake light assembly. Just attach a wire to that one, and connect it to the unused wire on the new socket for both the left and right turn signal/running lights. You can use wire connectors or electrician's tape, whatever you happen to have handy. The sockets should come with wire connectors already attached. You might need to buy a little extra wire if you don't have any laying around from previous projects. Anyway, after you've tested your connections, by turning on your key and then turn signals to see if everything works as it should, just re-install the turn signal lenses, and then your brake light lens assembly. The only thing that will be different about this setup, as opposed to your front lights and turn signals, is that up front, the running lights go out as the turn signals operate. If you want the back lights to work the same way, just don't use the tail light for your power source, but find out which wires your front running lights are powered by, and use the same wires. I didn't think it was worth the effort to find out which wires the front uses. This whole procedure shouldn't take more than a couple of hours if you're handy; of course it took me a couple of days!! :-o If my above explanation is about as clear as mud, I apologize. Perhaps someone else, who understands my rambling, can interpret it a little bit better for the rest of the group. :-) I didn't check on the legalities of having these lights on all the time, but since they are on the side of the bike (as well as the rear) I don't think that it's an illegal modification! I hope this doesn't produce another long "thread!" Happy Riding, Phil Lewis So. Cal. by mail.webspan.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06274 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 11:27:07 -0500 (EST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 11:26:42 -0500 From: Klassc To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Cold Tires. I was wondering. I don't really mind riding in winter, as long as the roads are plowed. And the occasional tunnel warms me up. Real tunnels, Holland, Lincoln, Brooklyn, Queens. Anyhow, my fear is that in the winter my tires couldn't get to a good operating temp, could they? And if they aren't then they are going to be a little hard, and less sticky. Is this a real concern? Chris 95 PC800 11,000 miles bought new in April 96 Big summer ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ChrisTUBA@aol.com Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 22:35:16 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Back Again... Greetings! I was a member of this list server this spring and summer as I considered buying and bought a 1996 Honda PC. Fantastic bike, no questions asked. I took a moment to read through the October archives, and I noticed that no one had mentioned the October 1996 Cycle World award donated to the Pacific Coast! I think it deserves mention on the list server... "Best Comeback Bike: Honda PC800 Pacific Coast Originally marketed to yuppies as the ultimate loft accessory, the poor PC proved as popular as a pimple on prom night. It went bye-bye for a couple of years, then was reintroduced without much fanfare. Guess what? People have rediscovered the bike for what it is: a uniquely styled, comfortable all-rounder with luggage capacity that puts everything this side of a Gold Wing to shame. File this under "Revenge of the Super Scooter." Cycle World, October 1996, "The Ten Rest," pg. 11)" I totally agree. I put on 5,560 miles this summer between May 31 and August 4th, and every mile was pure joy. However, on August 4th, I was hit in my church parking lot by a car that pulled out between two spaces. Damage to the side that hit the ground was minimal, thanks to those wonderful crash guards. However, the side that got trapped and dragged by the Jeep Cherokee about 25ft did not fare so well, and it was a $1,030 bill, mostly supplied by my insurance, except for a small amount. Moral of the story? Accidents happen, even at church, and insurance IS a good thing. Progressive Insurance took care of the whole thing the next day! On August 6th, I left my home in Wisconsin and came here to Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic, where I teach at an American School. No, the PC is not with me. In fact, the dealer had a small argument with the insurance company, and my cycle was not ready until October 16th or so. It didn't matter, because I couldn't be there anyway. A bit about motorcycles here...it would NOT be safe to drive one. Little 50cc mopeds and 100cc motorcycles are everywhere, but they are constantly "targets." Big motorcycles are few and far between. I've seen only a half dozen Harleys in the three-plus months I've been here, one Virago, one Yamaha 650 special, a Kawasaki 500, and maybe 5 sport bikes of various makes. No PCs no Gold Wings, and surely no Harley Classics. For the most part, big bikes aren't here, mainly because of theft and dangerous roads. If you'd like to know more about the Dominican Republic, I'll be happy to tell you via e-mail. This list server is about PCs, so I'll keep to the topic. My plans with my restored to mint condition PC are to buy the corbin seat and also the Givi top rack this winter, so that I have ample space and comfort as I plan to circle at least two of the great lakes and also head down to Dallas from Wisconsin. Meanwhile, I can tell you that I have greatly missed Wisconsin and Minnesota's fall riding season, the leaf color changes, and cooler termperatures. It's humid and in the 85-100 degree range daily here. My great thought about the PC is that other motorcyclists should THANK us for riding our bikes. I have not met an inconsiderate PC rider yet (I met about 25 this summer riding in Wisconsin and Minnesota, mainly 89 and 90 model years). When I was campiing with the bike, people would come over and comment on how quiet the bike was, and everyone loves the looks. What is so funny is that what looked strange to people all of 7 years ago now looks normal. That's us...the ambassadors of the world of motorcycling. Finally, to those of you who told all of us in the list server that there wouldn't be a 1997 model year, SHAME ON YOU! Does anyone know if the 1996 model year has sold out of the warehouses? And to those of you who are griping about a possible new front fender (we don't even officially know yet) and paint colors, again, SHAME ON YOU. You should instead be rejoicing that Honda realizes the need for this bike! And face it, the front of that fender isn't that functional anyway. And if you don't like the color, have it custom painted. Instead, we could just as easily be mourning the loss of the model line. Thank goodness it still exists! Well, to wrap things up, I'll fill out the little form... Name: Chris Russell Location: Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic PC Model Year: a 1996, Bought new in 1996 Miles: About 5,500 Accessories: Rifle +6 windshield (love it) Thanks much! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Running Lights From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 03 Nov 1996 14:02:01 -0600 Lines: 13 >>>>> "P" == PILEWIS writes: P> I didn't check on the legalities of having these lights on all the time, P> but since they are on the side of the bike (as well as the rear) I don't P> think that it's an illegal modification! It is definitely illegal in many places. BFD. This is also a cheap alternative to installing the Priority Plus system, which does this (without replacing the sockets) and which also causes everything in back to flash three times when you use the brakes. There are a few messages about this in the archives if anyone's interested. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 16:32:37 -0700 (MST) To: PILEWIS@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Re: Running Lights At 03:21 11/3/96 -0500, PILEWIS@aol.com wrote: >I just finished a simple modification that turned my rear turn signals into, >running lights and turn signals. I've had a few requests, so here's how I >did it. > >I had to buy new sockets that would take the 2 filament bulbs. I tried the >Honda dealer, to buy the 2 filament sockets that come in the front turn >signals, and they said it was a special order. Being the impulsive person I >am, I just went down to the local Pep Boys Auto Parts, and found the closest ----------------------------------- SNIP ------------------------------------- I made the same modification to my '82 V45 Sabre (which I still have) almost ten years ago. Of course, for the Sabre it was easier because the turn signal housing on the '82 is the same for front and rear (the rear is just mounted onto the end of an extension tube). I've never been stopped by a cop, nor have I been able to find evidence that's it's against any laws. And friends who've followed me said it definitely made the bike easier to see -- especially in heavy traffic. Regards, Gregg DesElms deselms@primenet.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Computer & Telecommunications Consultant | Author | Activist =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ______ ______ _ | _ \ | ___| | Gregg L. DesElms | | \ | ___ ____| |_ | |_ __ __ ____ deselms@primenet.com | | | |/ _ \| __| _| | | '_ | _ \| __| deselms@mailhost.net | |_ / | __/|__ | |___| | | | | | |__ | 1-800-224-2046 |______ / \___||____|______|_|_| |_| |_|____| (in USA and Canada) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Four more years! ----> http://www.whitehouse.gov/Accomplishments.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Akoell@aol.com Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 23:00:35 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: gloves I am thinking of installing electric gloves on my PC800. What peices of the plastic must be removed to route the wires up to the dashboard; and is this a simple job? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: gloves From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 04 Nov 1996 00:04:53 -0600 Lines: 18 >>>>> "A" == Akoell writes: A> What peices of the plastic must be removed to route the wires up to the A> dashboard; and is this a simple job? That depends on how flexible you are and how small your hands are. There is a fuse box (with a convenient empty fuse socket) on the left front side that you can get to without removing too much plastic, just the left side cover. You can get under the handlebar covers and the "center covers" (under the handlebars) without removing anything extra. That was enough space for me to route things, but you may want to remove more. Perhaps I should just scan in the bodywork removal flowchart from the shop manual and give it out. -- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 02:16:41 -0500 To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Weight and Horsepower questions WOW, what an answer.... Mine is MUCH shorter. Saddle up and ride. I've put over 12K miles on the bike this year. Much of that two up. I'm 240, the back seater is 120, and the baggage weighed apx. 100lbs. tent, bags, ...... no handling "problems", still accelerates smartly, cruises at 85+ without a worry... my .02 Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 02:22:08 -0500 To: daan@quantime.nl, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: stupid stupid stupid well, sorry to say that i am QUITE sure that you are the FIRST and ONLY person to have ever done such a silly thing I don't even know if they manufacture that part separately since they could probably never imagine that anyone would ever DO such a silly thing ( by the way, would you be interested in the black ones I bought never mind why ):) Z 04 Nov 1996 09:45:31 -0600 (CST) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA14484; Mon, 04 Nov 1996 07:40:13 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 10:41:34 +0000 From: Dennis Subject: Re: gloves To: Akoell@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Reply-to: denko@ix.netcom.com Comments: Authenticated sender is Akoell Said: > I am thinking of installing electric gloves on my PC800. > What peices of the plastic must be removed to route the wires up to the > dashboard; and is this a simple job? > I routed my widder cable so it comes out under the front seat on the left side. I believe I took juice off the main junction block nearby that point. It is, of course fused but always hot, not that that matters. Hope it helps!! Dennis ==================================== Energy Efficiency . . . . . . "Work to Ride . . . . Ride to Work" - Andy Goldfine Aerostitch I like that!! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 18:09:55 +0100 (MET) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gerard Diepeveen Subject: Problems provider Hi Due to big problems with the server of my provider you are not able to reach our homepage. This problem occurs on thursday 29th of october and I don't know how long it will last (probely no longer than a few days). So if you get a 403 or 404 error when you try to reach us, the site is still there but you can not get in. Keep trying we are still there. BTW you can still contact me trough E-Mail this does work. I'am thinking to switch to another provider, if I do you will be notified. For now: Happy riding and surfing. I'am sorry for this, but I can't do anything about it Gerard Diepeveen, Pacific Coast Netherlands ----------------------------------------------------- Gerard Diepeveen '89 White Pacific Coast Netherlands O-PC-O:-) "May the Pacific Coast be with you" http://www.inter.nl.net/users/G.Diepeveen/pc800.htm ---------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 18:10:01 +0100 (MET) To: GuntherSki@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gerard Diepeveen Subject: Re: stupid stupid stupid At 02:22 4-11-96 -0500, you wrote: >well, sorry to say that i am QUITE sure that you are the FIRST and ONLY >person to have ever done such a silly thing I don't even know if they >manufacture that part separately since they could probably never imagine that >anyone would ever DO such a silly thing > Sorry, but your QUITE wrong, I did the same thing but luckely with no damage A friend of my did do it also, one moment I looked in my mirrors and saw him, the next he was gone and was lying on the grond luckely for him it was not a PC but a VF1100 SABRE so the damage was also not that big. ----------------------------------------------------- Gerard Diepeveen '89 White Pacific Coast Netherlands O-PC-O:-) "May the Pacific Coast be with you" http://www.inter.nl.net/users/G.Diepeveen/pc800.htm ---------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 10:31:41 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Eat more Venison At 03:39 PM 11/3/96 -0500, you wrote: >We are having moose this year. > >A friend of mine got "lucky" w/ his truck. He got new truck and freezer full >of meat. >Good thing he decided to "cage it" that day instead of riding his Harley to >work! Interesting. Here in Alaska you may not salvage the meat. It usually goes to charity or to one of the prisions, wether you "PC'ed" it to death or otherwise. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Russell Jackson" To: Subject: Back on the list. Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 15:10:28 -0800 Hi everyone, just wanted to send a quick note to let you know that I am back on the list now. I started my new job today and finally got my computer setup. Rusty Jackson (rjackson@wrightstrat.com) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 19:12:22 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Cameron Francis CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Winterizing -Reply Cameron Francis wrote: > > What do you use for stabilizer? I use the Honda stabilizer (which is made by Stabil). Apparently, the only significant difference between stabilizers is the concentration. The Hondas' will treat 2 1/2 gallons for every once of stabilizer. I was also surprised to find that Hondas' was cheaper than Stabil. The Honda bottle is graduated in 1 once increments whereas Stabil comes in a can with a squirt top. (This doesn't make for accurate measurements...) I keep 5 gallons of stabilized gas on hand at all times for such mundane activities as mulching leaves, snow blower, generator and hopefully the occasional mid-winter ride. (Sidebar Comment: Winter sucks) ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and it was 15 degrees at the river this morning (Argh!) Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ (IMA Internet Exchange 2.03 (Beta 5) Enterprise) id 00052F41; Mon, 4 Nov 96 17:10:52 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 17:07:51 -0800 From: MIrizar@symantec.com (Mikel Irizar) Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: A long trip for a PC --IMA.Boundary.252651748 Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Hi all: I have been looking for a PC for the last couple months, and I finally bought one this last weekend. I went up to Oregon to get the bike (from Eric York, thanks Eric for everything) on Saturday (after a try on Friday) and came back to San Jose on Sunday. The trip up to Oregon will be one to remember...We left on Friday at 5:30 PM, and the VW van we were going in burned out after 100 miles. AAA decided we weren't that important, so we had to wait for a couple of hours on the side of the road, and finally got towed back to San Jose at 10PM. This wasn't going to stop us from getting the bike!!! We left next morning at 6:00 AM and what could happen?? I got a ticket!! OK, I thought, I deserved it because I was speeding all the way up (I couldn't wait to get it) Finally got to Eric's house around 12:00 PM, not without something happening to us before :-) We followed the directions, but made a wrong right turn, and it is a coincidence, but we found a house with the same description as Eric's (same number, picket fence...) and we look around for the bike. We didn't see it, so we decided to knock at the door...nobody answered, but there was an envelope with "Mike" written in the front. Since my name is Mikel, I thought it was for me. I opened it and said that they have gone to church and would be back in half an hour. We were leaving when three old ladies pulled up the driveway and asked what were we doing there?? We said that picking up a bike...What bike?? she said. Imagine my face, her face, my friend's face....:-)) We finally cleared up everything (Mike was her son), and made it to Eric's house. The rest went really smooth...the bike met all my expectations and performed great on the way back. The bike was worth all the "trouble" I went through :-) I am looking forward to get together with people around the Bay Area to go for weekend and one day trips!!! Please let me know who in the list is from around here. Mikel Irizar PC'89 --IMA.Boundary.252651748 Content-Description: cc:Mail note part (IMA Internet Exchange 2.03 (Beta 5) Enterprise) id 00052D66; Mon, 4 Nov 96 16:14:46 -0800 Mailer.symantec.com (8.7.6/8.7.6) with ESMTP id QAA24082 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 16:21:31 -0800 (PST) sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAF13062; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 18:13:32 -0600 (CST) 04 Nov 1996 18:13:09 -0600 (CST) (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA13041 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 18:12:57 -0600 (CST) daisy.snet.net (8.7.5/8.7.3/SNET-1.2) with SMTP id TAA24109; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 19:12:58 -0500 (EST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 19:12:22 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Cameron Francis CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Winterizing -Reply --IMA.Boundary.252651748-- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 07:19:46 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Cold Tires. Hi Chris: I don't believe there will be much of a problem. The tires' heat comes principally from internal friction due to flexing rather than the ambient conditions. There might be some difference, but it should be minor once the tires are up to a stable temperature. The only big difference would be in the time it takes to reach that temperature. The tires have to come up from a lower initial temperature. They are also stiffer and will flex less initially. Some people drop the tire pressure a few pounds in the winter to compensate for this and get the tires to heat more quickly and reach a higher operating temperature (This probably works for this purpose, but the trade off is potentially worse tire mileage). I think that a better approach would be to simply "take it easy" a few miles further than you do in the summer. Actually, street tires almost never get up to optimum temperature for traction (about 100 degrees celcius) during normal riding anyway. It takes a lot of sustained high speeds and high cornering loads to get them up that high, assuming anything near correct inflation pressure. These conditions occur seldom off of a race track, and most racers still need to drop the air pressure a bit to get up to that temperature. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Karl Siebrecht To: "'PC800 list'" Subject: plastic needed Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 09:31:26 -0700 Greetings all Denver had a bad wind storm this last week that left the old girl less = than vertical. As a result I have a pile of confetti where the right = hand side mirror/turn signal used to be. Does anyone have parts for an = '89 that they wish to get rid of, or any ideas on getting around paying = the $210.00 my dealer wants for a new assembly? Thanks!!! Karl ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 08:35:03 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: plastic needed At 09:31 AM 11/5/96 -0700, you wrote: >Greetings all >Denver had a bad wind storm this last week that left the old girl less than vertical. As a result I have a pile of confetti where the right hand side mirror/turn signal used to be. Does anyone have parts for an '89 that they wish to get rid of, or any ideas on getting around paying the $210.00 my dealer wants for a new assembly? >Thanks!!! Karl Contact Honda of Milpitas (hondamil@aol.com) and mention you are a member of this group. They gave me a decent discount on the very same parts you need. I had what could be described as a "low speed highside". Making a u-turn on pavement, the front wheel went of the edge onto gravel, at which point immediately went for, you guessed it, the front brake. The bike pitched itself (and me) to the outside of the turn, right in front of a bunch of squids with their duct-taped sort bikes. Talk about embarrasing! The turn signal survived, but the mirror and the housing were history, in addition to gouged crash bar covers and a nick on the trunk. I sanded and painted the covers and glued the housing. I kept the new covers for later but installed the new mirror housing. I think the whole order sans turn signal came to about 120.00. Good luck! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 13:55:18 -0500 To: 73414.466@compuserve.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Trunk Wear-Through Revisited In a message dated 96-10-31 14:49:09 EST, 73414.466@CompuServe.COM (Steve Schibuola) writes: << Both Rick and the Honda Service Manager maintain that they have NEVER seen a PC with K555's as original equipment, >> Tell Rick and the Honda Service Manager to give me a call if they want to see a PC with K555's as original equipment front and rear. I have one that I bought new in August of 1995 and have seen three other 95's with K555's as the OEM tire. See if you can get them to put that in writing. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 13:55:19 -0500 To: roger@etgn14.webo.dg.com, 73414.466@compuserve.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Trunk Wear-Through Revisited In a message dated 96-10-31 20:19:16 EST, roger@etgn14.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince) writes: << I don't know how you prove it but I have never seen nor heard of a PC coming from the factory with anything but K555s. I have had 2 90's and a '95, all came with K555s. They (Honda) don't admit to anything, do they? >> Roger, It's worse than that. It's an affirmatively false statement on which they wanted their coustomer to rely to his detriment. That is also pretty much the outline of a cause of action for fraud. It's really a pretty serious matter. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 13:55:21 -0500 To: klassc@webspan.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Cold Tires. In a message dated 96-11-03 11:30:11 EST, klassc@webspan.net (Klassc) writes: << And if they aren't then they are going to be a little hard, and less sticky. Is this a real concern? >> It sure is on a sport bike. However, I ran a PC VERY hard in quite cold conditions (mid 30's this last weekend) and, after warming the tires up, they worked just fine, even at full peg scraping lean while hanging right off the bike to the inside. I wouldn't try this with cold tires, however. You would most likely low side. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 13:55:20 -0500 To: Timmacy@aol.com, 73414.466@compuserve.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Trunk Wear-Through Revisited In a message dated 96-11-01 18:15:27 EST, Timmacy@aol.com writes: << But since I've yet to run into a PC-owner who had K177s OEM, I lean toward the MCN article being wrong... >> Tim, The way I understand it, the K555 is made in Japan and fitted to new bikes since they are sourced locally. The K177 is made in the USA and is what you get if you order Dunlops as a replacement tire. They are very similar, but not identical. 05 Nov 1996 19:33:30 -0600 (CST) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA24620; Tue, 05 Nov 1996 17:28:16 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 20:28:37 +0000 From: Dennis Subject: Re: plastic needed To: Karl Siebrecht Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Reply-to: denko@ix.netcom.com Comments: Authenticated sender is Karl Gee, I scraped a right turn signal housing when I slid down the road and the dealer quoted me $88.00 for the housing. Two hunderd plus seems kinda steep. Dennis ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 13:30:57 PST Subject: 555 From: kforeman@juno.com (Kenneth S. Foreman) OEM Dunlop on my 1995 PC800 bought new in Dec 1995, have 13000 miles on tires with no problems. Ken ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mskrocki@meldrum.com Date: Thu, 07 Nov 96 10:00:30 est To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC Products to Johan Lai John, I sent this to you once before on the 10/30/96 and I was wondering why my order isn't on the list. So, here we go: Item: 2 Size: Medium Quanity: 1 Comments: Tan Cap w/white PC/Layla on back of hat Price: $16 Item: 2 Size: Large Quanity: 1 Comments: Tan Cap w/white PC/Layla on back of hat Price: $16 Thats it. Let me know the total price with shipping so I can get the money to you. Thanks. Mark Mark & Sandra Skrocki Shaker Hts., OH mskrocki@meldrum.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 07 Nov 96 09:25:26 EST From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: John Castagna Cc: Randy Foster , Gordon Frank , Chuck Headrick , HondaPacificCoastOwners , Dave Lawson <75567.3132@CompuServe.COM>, Ron Maudlin <74726.2016@CompuServe.COM>, Brad & Cinda Mobley <76241.1063@CompuServe.COM>, "Samuel \"Todd\" Nunnally" <72064.2771@CompuServe.COM>, "Donald L. \"Moose\" Parish" <73523.3636@CompuServe.COM>, Elliot Parsowith , Jim Petersen <75127.1761@CompuServe.COM>, "Roger Prince @ceo" , "Roger Prince @hotmail" , "Roger Prince @Juno" , "Roger Prince @webo" , "Roger Prince@mceo" , Laura Sawyer , Fred Schmidt , Elbert Silbaugh <71203.2774@CompuServe.COM>, Bill Sowers , Jim Strudwick , Mike Traynor , Jim & Linda Vance <76062.3667@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Fall down...go boom! Here's a message from Steve Rodnon concerning Georgia HSTA member Dave May... Dave previously owned a PC800, and has a Harley in addition to the ruptured Goose... His address is 3874 Rock Mill Parkway, Marietta GA 30062...phone 770/643-6822 Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 15:07:17 -0400 > > To: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> > > From: Steve Rodnon > > > > Dana: > > Some bad news. Dave May had an off road excursion on his Moto Guzzi last > > Wednesday. He has a broken ankle and some bruises. I do believe the Guzzi > > is headed for the parts bin. I am sure he would like to hear from anyone, > > since he is house bound at this time. Cards and letters would be appreciated. > > > Please pass this along in your next E mail session. > > > > Thanks > > Steve ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 7 Nov 96 13:03:57 EST From: Keith Sproul To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Looking to buy PC-800 I am looking to buy a PC-800 and have several questions. I am also new to this list, but have been reading the archives.. Does anybody know of any PC-800's for sale in the New Jersey/New York City area? Either from an individual or from a dealer? What is the going price for a used PC? (by year of course) How much weight can it handle? I would also like to ride 2-up a bunch, however, I am 240lbs, and my wife is 140lbs. Would this be much of a problem? Thanks for your help Keith Sproul Ham Radio: WU2Z Student Housing Network Coordinator ksproul@noc.rutgers.edu Rutgers University Computing Services 908 445-3695 Work 908 445-2968 Fax http://www-ns.rutgers.edu/~ksproul/ 908 821-4828 Home ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 13:27:31 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: John LaFreniere Subject: radio/windshield/fuel economy questions Before I added a Tall rifle windshield to my bike I couldn't hear my stereo at highway speed. I thought I was going to have to put in helmet speakers. Adding the Rifle really increased my ability to hear my stereo by eliminating wind noise. I was wondering if anyone else was having a problem hearing their stereo with the original windshield? Also, Has anyone noticed a decrease in fuel economy with the tall rifle screen? I never really measured it accuratly before, but now I haven't been able to get better than 34MPG. When the screen was first put on I could really notice that I was pushing a lot more air out of the way. It felt like I was riding the brake a little. I guess I've since gotten used to it. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't give it up. It is so quite and calm behind that thing, I'll pay for the x-tra gas. I'd really like to hear comments from others with tall windshields and or stereos. Thanks. John LaFreniere http://john.csun.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Russell C. Jackson" To: "'PC 800 Mailing List'" Subject: RE: radio/windshield/fuel economy questions Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 13:38:11 -0800 John, I have the Tall Rifle for the very same reason, and it works great. I = did not see that big of a difference in gas mileage though. I am still = getting around 45 mpg on the freeway at about 75 mph. Rusty ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: John LaFreniere[SMTP:johnl@general.net] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 1996 1:28 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: radio/windshield/fuel economy questions Before I added a Tall rifle windshield to my bike I couldn't hear my = stereo at highway speed. I thought I was going to have to put in helmet = speakers. Adding the Rifle really increased my ability to hear my stereo by eliminating wind noise. I was wondering if anyone else was having a = problem hearing their stereo with the original windshield? =20 Also, Has anyone noticed a decrease in fuel economy with the tall rifle screen? I never really measured it accuratly before, but now I haven't = been able to get better than 34MPG. When the screen was first put on I could really notice that I was pushing a lot more air out of the way. It felt like I was riding the brake a little. I guess I've since gotten used to = it. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't give it up. It is so quite and calm = behind that thing, I'll pay for the x-tra gas. I'd really like to hear comments from others with tall windshields and = or stereos. Thanks. =20 John LaFreniere http://john.csun.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 14:10:05 -0800 From: Johan Lai To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: radio/windshield/fuel economy questions So THAT'S what happened to me. I couldn't figure out why my mileage decreased so dramatically. I've been reading how many people get 40+ mpg and thought there was something wrong w/ my bike. I used to get 40+ mpg when I first bought my PC before I put my tall screen on and just didn't put 2 & 2 together. It may be rider's perception but I still can't hear the radio that well above 70mph. I do have the Hondaline and maybe that's the difference. When I wear out this screen and my spare, I'll get a Rifle. Johan Lai Orange, CA '89 "Cassandra" John LaFreniere wrote: > > Before I added a Tall rifle windshield to my bike I couldn't hear my stereo > at highway speed. I thought I was going to have to put in helmet speakers. > Adding the Rifle really increased my ability to hear my stereo by > eliminating wind noise. I was wondering if anyone else was having a problem > hearing their stereo with the original windshield? > > Also, Has anyone noticed a decrease in fuel economy with the tall rifle > screen? I never really measured it accuratly before, but now I haven't been > able to get better than 34MPG. When the screen was first put on I could > really notice that I was pushing a lot more air out of the way. It felt > like I was riding the brake a little. I guess I've since gotten used to it. > Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't give it up. It is so quite and calm behind > that thing, I'll pay for the x-tra gas. > > I'd really like to hear comments from others with tall windshields and or > stereos. Thanks. > > > John LaFreniere > http://john.csun.edu > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us for ; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 12:54:26 -0900 AKMAIL1.Alaska To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Seattle MC Show Date: 07 Nov 96 13:47:46 KST Has anyone heard what the dates are for the CycleWorld MC show in Seattle? It's usually the 2nd weekend in January but I'm not sure. Thanks...jo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us'" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Seattle MC Show Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 17:51:57 -0800 The Seattle show is the Friday - Sunday, Jan 3-5. -bryceu -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us [SMTP:Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 1996 5:48 AM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Seattle MC Show Has anyone heard what the dates are for the CycleWorld MC show in Seattle? It's usually the 2nd weekend in January but I'm not sure. Thanks...jo (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 7 Nov 1996 18:26:00 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 18:23:28 -0800 From: Steve Gross To: Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us Cc: pc800 Subject: Re: Seattle MC Show January 3-5, WA Convention Center, free bike parking in the underground garage. Be there. -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 Honda PC800 Fri, 8 Nov 1996 7:09:30 -0500 (EST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 07:10:53 -0600 To: John LaFreniere , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: radio/windshield/fuel economy questions At 01:27 PM 11/7/96 -0800, you wrote: >Before I added a Tall rifle windshield to my bike I couldn't hear my stereo >at highway speed. I thought I was going to have to put in helmet speakers. >Adding the Rifle really increased my ability to hear my stereo by >eliminating wind noise. I was wondering if anyone else was having a problem >hearing their stereo with the original windshield? > >Also, Has anyone noticed a decrease in fuel economy with the tall rifle >screen? I never really measured it accuratly before, but now I haven't been >able to get better than 34MPG. When the screen was first put on I could >really notice that I was pushing a lot more air out of the way. It felt >like I was riding the brake a little. I guess I've since gotten used to it. >Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't give it up. It is so quite and calm behind >that thing, I'll pay for the x-tra gas. > I get between 50 and 54 MPG consistantly with the tall Rifle. About the same with the previous honda windshield. Ride between 55 and 65 MPH solo. Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Chrchlls2@aol.com Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 10:04:13 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: New rider-old bike Greetings! I have just purchased my first motorcycle. Fell in love with the PC's looks instantly. Been browsing through the archives and have learned an enormous amount. It's an '89 with 33k mi on it. Already put ~ $500 into it for new stator, battery, and fork seals and used some electricians tape to patch the hole in the left trunk from where the tire rubbed through. I've had numerous comments of the "gee, neat motorcycle!" genre and one comment about "the big motor scooter". I think that's the gamut of PC vagaries. It already had a Rifle windshield so I don't have to worry about dash meltdown. Though I'm a bit miffed at putting so much money into a bike I just purchased (< 1 month) I did get a good (though less so now) price ($3500) and the alternatives that gave me that same attraction was the Beemer R1100 RT ($17k) or the Honda ST1100 ($15k). Maybe later. The wife wants to buy a convertible first. I live in SoCal (Oceanside/Carlsbad) and would like to get together with some other PC owners in the area for group rides. Maybe Palomar, Arrowhead, Palm Springs, or even the Pacific Coast Highway! Wow what a revelation! Suggestions? e-mail me and we'll coordinate. Steve Churchill chrchlls2@aol.com (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 8 Nov 1996 07:56:45 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 07:54:56 -0800 From: Dave Gross To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Seattle show ok gang..lets make some Saturday AM plans for the show!!!! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 08:28:04 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: John LaFreniere Subject: RE: Your radio installation >Hi John, I checked out you web site as mentioned in your 11/1 email to the group >and I was wondering if you might be able to give me some specifics on your radio >installation. I'd like to know what model Sony stereo it is, and how involved >was the installation. Is it a cassette unit and does the cassette play with the >unit being mounted vertical. Also what type of speakers did you use and how >involved was it to install those. If you could let me know I would appreciate >it. Our '89 could really use some tunes. > >Enjoy the ride. > >Mark > >Mark & Sandra Skrocki >Shaker Hts., Ohio >mskrocki@meldrum.com > > > Mark- The radio is a sony XR-6700... I got the radio and the remote from crutchfield. You can request their catalog online ( http://www.crutchfield.com ). The remote is made by sony, too. and only works in a few of their models. It comes with sticky tape, though I chose to velcro it. I've never had a problem with the cassette, although I cannot use the AM while the bike is running. I decided to have the radio put in at a motorcycle shop that had done PC800s before. The radio is mounted with brackets the look like the guy just took 1/16" steel and bent and drilled it to fit. I don't know what kind of speakers it has other than the guy told me they are waterproof. If you look at the picture ( http://john.csun.edu/john/pc800.htm ) of my dash you can see how the plastic panel was drilled in front of the speaker. This is the major part of the job I didn't want to do. He also fabricated a bracket to mount the antenna. The shop charged me about $225 in labor to do everything. I didn't like paying that much, but if I had to to it for a living, I'd charge more and probably not do as good a job. A WORD TO THE WISE: I had the radio for about 2 weeks prior to installing the Rifle Windshield. With the original windshield, and a full face helmet, I just could not hear the stereo at 60+MPH. Period. The Rifle Windshield increased the volume by about 3 times by reducing air noise. Hope that helps. Good Luck. John LaFreniere http://john.csun.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 10:04:14 -0800 From: luvadot@sprynet.com (Bob and Grace) Subject: visit to local honda dealer To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu hi there list, just got back from my local dealer ... was told he only had one flier so could not get it ... it was a combined pc/st flier ... they will soon be getting 97s in ... in the flier the only difference lists was the from finder ... they did not know of any other change ... the price difference between 96 and 97 is a 100 dollar increase ... also saw a new kevlar first gear riding suit ... it appears this is brand new ... it is a kilamenjoro ... after the mountain and same as the leather versios ... cost about 299 ... was pretty neat ... has any one else seen one of these just thought i would pass it on ... :) bob and grace parker http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/luvadot __________________________________________________________________________ "Those who reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it." - Thomas Paine Send *NO* Unsolicited Commercial Email _________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 14:02:23 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800:Fuel Ecomony My son goes to Kansas State in Manhattan, Ks. It is about 120 miles from Overland Park to Manhattan. I normally ride up via the Interstate and the Kansas Toll Road at a cruising speed of around 75 MPH. I come back via old two lane US 24 at a cruising speed of about 60 MPH. Going up my fuel comsumption is around 40 MPG, coming back I average over 50 MPH. I installed a 20 " Rifle early in the year. The screen seems to have little affect on the fuel ecomony. Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: litestuf@total.net To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 14:33:33 +0000 Subject: PC 800's in Canada? CC: litestuf@total.net Dear everyone on the PC800 list; I am new to the list but not to the pc800. Ihave seen several in Quebec but never in the dealer showrooms except for used ones. I have been trying to find one with low mileage but with no success yet. Is someone aware if they are still sold new in Canada? Also, I would like to know how the PC-800 handles in crosswinds given the amount of fairing on them? Tnx... =%>) J.Paul Dinan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mskrocki@meldrum.com Date: Fri, 08 Nov 96 16:03:24 est To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: New for 97 front fender I just viewed the pictures of the new 97 PC800 on the Netherlands PC home page, provided by Phil Lewis of southern California. My question is that really a new front fender, or did Honda just decide to cut costs and double up on ST1100 front fenders. Enjoy the ride. Mark Mark & Sandra Skrocki Shaker Hts., OH mskrocki@meldrum.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Russell C. Jackson" To: "'litestuf@total.net'" , "'PC 800 Mailing List'" Subject: RE: PC 800's in Canada? Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 13:46:59 -0800 I live in So. Cal. where the Santa Ana winds get pretty strong and I can = say that the PC does just fine in the cross-winds. In fact, if you = aren't too stiff on the steering, the bike will actually lean itself = into the wind for you. A very neat effect that I saw some people on the = list talking about last year, but didn't experience until the winds = picked up this year. Rusty ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: litestuf@total.net[SMTP:litestuf@total.net] Sent: Friday, November 08, 1996 6:34 AM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: litestuf@total.net Subject: PC 800's in Canada? Dear everyone on the PC800 list; I am new to the list but not to the pc800. Ihave seen several in=20 Quebec but never in the dealer showrooms except for used ones. I have=20 been trying to find one with low mileage but with no success yet. Is=20 someone aware if they are still sold new in Canada? Also, I would like to know how the PC-800 handles in crosswinds given=20 the amount of fairing on them? Tnx... =3D%>) J.Paul Dinan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 17:22:43 -0500 To: ksproul@hardees.rutgers.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Looking to buy PC-800 In a message dated 96-11-07 13:05:04 EST, ksproul@hardees.rutgers.edu (Keith Sproul) writes: << I would also like to ride 2-up a bunch, however, I am 240lbs, and my wife is 140lbs. Would this be much of a problem? >> It's pushing it. Technically, it is more than it can handle. However, many people on this list have run with this much weight or more. I rode someone who's bike died on a run home on the back of my wife's PC -- about 125 miles. I am about 200 lbs in riding gear and he was quite a bit more (I'm not sure how much). I was surprised that the PC handled that with aplomb! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 17:22:45 -0500 To: johnl@general.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: radio/windshield/fuel economy questions In a message dated 96-11-07 16:23:14 EST, johnl@general.net (John LaFreniere) writes: << Also, Has anyone noticed a decrease in fuel economy with the tall rifle screen? I never really measured it accuratly before, but now I haven't been able to get better than 34MPG. >> I use a Rifle + 4 screen and have never gotten below 40 MPG (and that is at semi warp speed). I normally run high 40's. Something is wrong with your mileage IMHO. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 14:12:12 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Weight limits At 05:22 PM 11/8/96 -0500, you wrote: >It's pushing it. Technically, it is more than it can handle. However, many >people on this list have run with this much weight or more. I rode someone >who's bike died on a run home on the back of my wife's PC -- about 125 miles. > I am about 200 lbs in riding gear and he was quite a bit more (I'm not sure >how much). I was surprised that the PC handled that with aplomb! This might be beating a dead horse, but Ted makes a good point. For all of you who are concerned with the weight limit on the PC, please keep in mind that we all add to our birthday-suit weight between 20-40 lbs of riding gear, so if you weigh 200 lbs strk naked, you could be up to 240 by the time you saddle up. This goes for your co-rider as well. FWIW. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 18:44:25 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Bob and Grace CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: visit to local honda dealer Bob and Grace wrote: > also saw a new kevlar first gear riding suit ... it appears this is brand new > ... it is a kilamenjoro ... after the mountain and same as the leather versios I've had the First Gear Kilimanjaro leather jacket for 3 seasons now and I highly recommend it. I'll have to check out the kevlar version; it might be a good alternative for the occasional heat wave we get up here. ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and leaf mulch '96 is OVER! Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PILEWIS@aol.com Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 22:40:56 -0500 To: mskrocki@meldrum.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New for 97 front fender In a message dated 96-11-08 16:08:29 EST, mskrocki@meldrum.com writes: << My question is that really a new front fender, or did Honda just decide to cut costs and double up on ST1100 front fenders. >> I didn't study it too closely when I was there, (I was late that day!) but after studying the pictures, it sure does look like the same fender as the ST1100. I, for one, still like the original look!! Phil Lewis ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 13:55:30 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Bashing Jeff & Riding in WI Hi All, Well Jeff, You have no friends left but I think you have proven to us all that you are a man of your convictions (mis-guided though they may be). As an old historical guy once said, " I may not like what you say, but I will defend to death your right to say it." I just thought I'd throw that into the mix. More importantly, I'm off another semi-mid winter trip. I'm leaving Chicago on Sunday (that's tomorrow) @ 7AM, bound for Baraboo, WI (NW of Madison) for a meeting at 10AM. It should be over at 2PM after which I will continue my journey to Manitowoc, WI (north of Sheboygan) I'll be taking Rt. 33 East from Baraboo to Rt 68 to US 151 through Fond Du Lac and on to Manitowoc. If anyone would like to join me, call 312-235-0933 and leave a message or e-mail me. I'll check my mail before I leave. The forcast is for COLD, but no snow, so...... let me know. Todd "Z" Zedak ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ChrisTUBA@aol.com Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 15:45:54 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC Graphics... Hi All! Does anyone have a nice graphic file that can be used with the IBM platform of AmiPro or Microsoft Word, so that I can make my own letterhead with the PC800 on it? Someone out there has to have a graphics file that will do the trick... Thanks much, Chris Russell 1996 Honda PC, waiting for summer in Wisconsin, doing it by teaching in the Dominican Republic... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 10 Nov 96 02:31:05 EST From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: Honda seat & backrest for sale FOR SALE - stock seats (front and back) for 1990 Honda Pacific Coast. $100 plus shipping... FOR SALE - Honda passenger backrest for Pacific Coast. $100 plus shipping... All above equipment in excellent condition...have had a Corbin serat on my bike for three years! ************************************************** DANA L. SAWYER Founder, Executive Committee Member and South Carolina State Director Honda Sport Touring Association HSTA Member #0001SU HRCA Member #700266 AMA (Life) Member # 180901 71430.340@CompuServe.com 1990 Honda Pacific Coast PC800 "Life is short...I think I'll go riding!" ************************************************* ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Akoell@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 22:03:32 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: electric gloves Anybody out there that has Widder Electric Gloves? I'd like to know about their flexiblity, warmth, ease of use etc. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 09:58:30 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Cheryl L. Johnson" Subject: cool M/C WEBsites I was surfing around the net checking out some advertised sites and thought you might be interested in these. www.dunlop.com www.motolight.com/ www.harley-davidson.com/map/ www.corbin.com/ www.accwhse.com/ www.rka-luggage.com/comms.html Some of these were probably mentioned before, like corbin, but I thought I'd throw it out here anyway. The Dunlop site is interesting, with a FAQ, and a feedback for any particular questions you might have. The Motolight site was about as good an advertisement for a particular product as I've seen. Very clear, with pictures about how to install. Not just " our products are the best, now send money" Also, and this is the main reason I brought this up, not because I endorse this product,( which I don't, but could) they have an excerpt from the Hurt report which most of you are probably familiar. This report made in the '80s details motorcycle accidents and their causes. I highly recommend reading it. The Harley site was predictably Coooooool. The other two are online catalogs. Bill ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Akoell@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 11:18:07 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: grip warmers Is there anyone out there using grip warmers. Appreciate any info you can send. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 18:40:58 +0100 (MET) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gerard Diepeveen Subject: Pacific Coast Netherlands We are pleased to say that our side is visible for everybody again Hope you take a look. Gerard Diepeveen, Pacific Coast Netherlands ----------------------------------------------------- Gerard Diepeveen '89 White Pacific Coast Netherlands O-PC-O:-) "May the Pacific Coast be with you" http://www.inter.nl.net/users/G.Diepeveen/pc800.htm ---------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Smcavin@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 12:06:05 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Teak Dash for PC I was skimming through the "Wing World" magazine - a magazine for GoldWing owners and their flock. I caught an ad for custom wood (teak) trim dash offered for the Wing but now "The Pacific Coast Package" is available. It is pictured in the ad installed on a white PC. Actually looks pretty hot. If interested: Try 800-966-3324 S.A.S.I Jacksonville, FL What, no web address? Happy motoring. Bart ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 09:29:39 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: grip warmers At 11:18 AM 11/11/96 -0500, you wrote: >Is there anyone out there using grip warmers. >Appreciate any info you can send. I do, they are wonderfull! If I had to chose between an electric vest or the grips ( use both), I'd go for the grips. I can always add more layers to my torso, but you can only add so much to your hands and still have any feel and dexterity left. And let me tell you, happiness is a 26F ride while having toasty fingers with your regular riding gloves! I suppose you could also go with hippo-hands, bu then the bike doesn't look stock. My $0.02 Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'Akoell@aol.com'" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: grip warmers Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 10:38:42 -0800 -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Akoell@aol.com [SMTP:Akoell@aol.com] Sent: Monday, November 11, 1996 8:18 AM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: grip warmers Is there anyone out there using grip warmers. Appreciate any info you can send. -------------- I'm using "Hot Grips" that my lady friend found in the back of a magazine and ordered for me. The Hot Grips replaced the stock grips and feature heating coils under the neoprene foam. I tossed the chrome end pieces they came with and kept the bar end weights. The new grips are thicker than stock & other foam grips so they took some getting used to. I installed the power switch above the start button on the right grip. Power draw is minimal and I chose NOT to use the 2 temp option for fear the ceramic heatsink would cause more trouble than it's worth (dont' regret it in the least). The heat is a wonderful luxury when riding in the cold and wet. With the heat I can wear my thinner, more comfortable gloves more often without fearing the chill. I highly recommend heated grips for anyone who won't mind the larger grip size. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-7 #18580) 12 Nov 1996 11:41:36 -0600 (CST) by iwaynet.iwaynet.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA23059 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:37:44 -0500 (EST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:37:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald R. Hamilton" Subject: touring in arkansas... To: pc800 hey all you mega-mileage types... i wonder if any of you tourers have done any riding in the great state of arkansas. i'm thinking of the northwest part of the state...home to the boston mtns, the ouachita mtns, the ozarks. we all know about the terrific mtn roads further east in the smokies, over in tenn, nc and northern ga...i wonder how these arkansas mtn roads compare. anyone familiar with that area? we're having a snowy early winter here in ohio and i'm already digging out the maps thinking about next spring...it's gonna be a long winter! tks much for any info... Donald R. Hamilton vfrlvr@iwaynet.net > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Russell C. Jackson" To: "'Donald R. Hamilton'" , "'PC 800 Mailing List'" Subject: RE: touring in arkansas... Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:39:12 -0800 Hwy 7 starting from Hot Springs and going North is a beautiful drive and = you'll have plenty of twisties if you are into those. There is also Hwy = 23 which takes off of I-40 around Ozark and goes North to Hwy 16 is a = really twisty road if you are looking for one of those. The people in = that area call it Pig Trail. Those are just a couple of nice riding = places, but almost anywhere in Northwest Ark. is going to be a beautiful = ride for you. Rusty ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Donald R. Hamilton[SMTP:vfrlvr@iwaynet.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 1996 9:38 AM To: pc800 Subject: touring in arkansas... hey all you mega-mileage types... =20 i wonder if any of you tourers have done any riding in the great state of arkansas. i'm thinking of the northwest part of the state...home to the boston mtns, the ouachita mtns, the ozarks. we all know about the terrific mtn roads further east in the smokies, over in tenn, nc and northern ga...i wonder how these arkansas mtn roads compare. anyone familiar with that area? we're having a snowy early winter here in ohio and i'm already digging out the maps thinking about next spring...it's gonna be a long winter! =20 tks much for any info... =20 Donald R. Hamilton vfrlvr@iwaynet.net > =20 > =20 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Chrchlls2@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 09:07:32 -0500 To: jlai@filenet.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: [Fwd: Forest Falls Pictures!] I hate to admit it but I'm fairly new at this computer net stuff. I'm signed on with AOL and have managed to get this far, but I haven't a clue on how to download a picture and put it into a viewable form. I did enjoy the ones on the web site but I just clicked on them. How do I go about downloading these files and translating them into a picture? Do I need Netscape or the MS clone or do I already have this capability in AOL? Also, I have a SNAPPY peripheral that can digitalize video pictures and would like to send some out so I need to know if and how I can do this both ways. Second and completely unrelated question. I am also new to motorcycles, (All this new stuff...must be part of a mid-life crisis...hmmm...what the hell, it's fun.) and I have asked this question to various cycle riders (crotch rockets, commuters, cruisers, and tourers) and shop sales persons. I have yet to get a straight answer. THE QUESTION: Is it better, when doing controlled stopping from speed e.g. a stoplight on a highway, to use engine braking i.e. downshifting and letting out the clutch through a succession of gears to slow the bike,using the brakes only below second gear to stop? Or...is it better to just pull in the clutch and use the brakes alone for the stopping force? CAVEATS: I am not talking about panic stops and I am not talking about engine braking on long downhill grades. Just regular around-town stuff. COMMENTS: It seems that the one method would put wear on the clutch and the engine parts and the other would put the wear on the brakes. Which will tolerate it better? Or should I be asking which is easier or cheaper to replace? Or maybe the question is, which has better bike control? The bottom line is....WHICH IS BETTER? Thanks, Steve Churchill ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: NVXL62A@prodigy.com ( GORDON FRANK) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 08:55:14, -0500 To: Steadmanac00.cs10@usafa.af.mil, 104334.1667@compuserve.com, jeffrey.Hendler@southernenrgy.com, KHENSEN@vnet.ibm.com, LUTZ.LUTZ@t-online.de, x01377@exmail.usma.army.mil, ARYEHK@NETVISION.NET.IL, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, AllenSM00.CS24.USAFA@usafa.af.mil, Werner.Dreyer@t-online.de, wkoerner@vnet.ibm.com Subject: Trojan Horse fyi << Start of Forwarded message via Prodigy Mail >> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Allen Kenitzer Subject: Trojan Horse Date: 11/12 Time: 11:10 AM 163]) by pimaia1y.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA54262 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:09:59 -0500 192.85]) by popa.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.6.11/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA15452; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:09:43 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:09:50 -0500 To: Stephanie.Kenitzer@NOAA.GOV, dmcriss@ingr.com, NVXL62A@prodigy. com, x01377@exmail.usma.army.mil, Rudegger@mindspring.com From: Wincel.A.Kenitzer.1@gsfc.nasa.gov (Allen Kenitzer) Subject: Trojan Horse FYI...be careful. > This message originated from Computer Services at the University of Maryland. >>>>>> >>>>>>================================================================ >>>>>>> DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY FILE NAMED PKZIP300 REGARDLESS OF EXTENSION. >>>>>>> A NEW Trojan Horse Virus has emerged on the Internet with the >>>>>>> name PKZIP300.ZIP, so named as to give the impression that this >>>>>>> file is a new version of the PKZIP software used to "zip" >>>>>>> compressed files DO NOT DOWNLOAD THIS FILE UNDER ANY >>>>>>> CIRCUMSTANCES!! If you install or expand the file, >>>>>>> the virus WILL wipe your hard disk clean and affect >>>>>>> modems at 14.4 and higher. This is an extremely destructive >>>>>>> virus & there is NOT yet a way of cleaning this one up. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO ANYONE YOU KNOW. > > ____________________________________________________________ W. Allen Kenitzer PAO, MTPE Program Office/Code 170 NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Office of Public Affairs Greenbelt, MD 20771 Voice: (301) 286-2806, Fax: (301) 286-1671 E-mail: Allen.Kenitzer@gsfc.nasa.gov << End of Forwarded message >> ____ Gordon Frank NVXL62A@Prodigy.Com Atlanta, Georgia USA ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 07:36:35 -0700 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: [Fwd: Forest Falls Pictures!] Coming to a stop: My $.02 is to keep it in gear, working down as you go to third or second, at which time you'll be about stopped. Then shift the rest of the way to neutral or first. Blip the throttle when downshifting, and match the engine speed-- this puts next to no wear on the clutch, and with some bikes, an abrupt, rough downshift can break the rear tire loose. Bad. Extra engine wear should be negligible. Practice being smooth. This way, you do get compression braking, but most importantly, you're always in a usable gear, and are much more in control. if you would have to accelerate, you could. Bob C. NM ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:34:19 -0500 To: Chrchlls2@aol.com, jlai@filenet.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Down Shifting I use a combination, depending on the situation. On the highway I usually drop from fifth to fourth gear when exiting , often not using my brakes until I am in third gear. In the city, when approaching a distant traffic light or when adjusting my speed to traffic conditions, I use a down shifting procedure. It is important to increase your motor's speed to match the new gear ratio as you down shift. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 08:55:18 -0800 To: Chrchlls2@aol.com From: John LaFreniere Subject: downshifting Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 09:07 AM 11/13/96 -0500, you wrote: >THE QUESTION: Is it better, when doing controlled stopping from speed e.g. a >stoplight on a highway, to use engine braking i.e. downshifting and letting >out the clutch through a succession of gears to slow the bike,using the >brakes only below second gear to stop? Or...is it better to just pull in the >clutch and use the brakes alone for the stopping force? >CAVEATS: I am not talking about panic stops and I am not talking about engine >braking on long downhill grades. Just regular around-town stuff. >COMMENTS: It seems that the one method would put wear on the clutch and the >engine parts and the other would put the wear on the brakes. Which will >tolerate it better? Or should I be asking which is easier or cheaper to >replace? Or maybe the question is, which has better bike control? The bottom >line is....WHICH IS BETTER? Downshifting is essential to make sure you are in a gear in which you can always accelerate, because you can only shift one gear at a time on a bike. For example lets say you're going along at 45-50mph in 5th gear and begin to stop for a red light without downshifting. So you clutch in and begin to slow down. When you get to 15 MPH, the light turns green, You let out the clutch and stall cause you're still in 5th gear... Damn inconvienient. In a car you can shift from 5th to 2nd real fast. Not so on a bike. (Even so, I'd still use downshifting in car) There are also safety concerns. Sometimes the only way to avoid an accident is to accelerate or lean hard. If you lean and can't accelerate instantly, you fall. There is no way to insure you are in the proper gear if your clutch is in. IMOH, The clutch should only go in for shifting and when stopped for a few seconds. John LaFreniere http://john.csun.edu Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: litestuf@total.net To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 12:09:29 +0000 Subject: Re: Coming to a stop > Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 07:36:35 -0700 Bob C. Wrote > Coming to a stop: My $.02 is to keep it in gear, working down as > you go to third or second, at which time you'll be about stopped. > Then shift the rest of the way to neutral or first. > > Blip the throttle when downshifting, and match the engine speed-- > this puts next to no wear on the clutch, and with some bikes, an > abrupt, rough downshift can break the rear tire loose. Bad. Extra > engine wear should be negligible. Practice being smooth. > > This way, you do get compression braking, but most importantly, > you're always in a usable gear, and are much more in control. if > you would have to accelerate, you could. > > Bob C. > NM Bob has said it all, and most eloquently. I would add just two things. Practice all this downshifting, bliping stuff in a straight line before you attempt it while cornering. The reason being, if you ever zip into an off-ramp and accidently zap from 5th to 2nd, clutch or no clutch you'll most likely end up in the scenery. Bob mentioned locking up the rear tire. All tires are not created equal. Avoiding the lock up is the big secret here. Get used to the revs your motor is turning in a particular gear at a particular speed. Then listen, because all good riders know by sound what revs they are turning. Have a look at some SBK racing on ESPN and listen to the sounds as these guys enter the esses. Don't try it at home, just get used to the PC 800 and your tires. Cheers J.Paul Dinan =%>) =================================== 1977 RS100RS "The pinging toaster" =================================== ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 09:27:55 -0800 From: Johan Lai To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Trojan Horse I think this has been around for a while. It could almost be classified as an "Urban Legend". For a more indepth discussion about this phenomenon, see: http://www.fsl.orst.edu/novell/fsdb/mosaic/fsl/doc/inter/roadmap/map09.htm Other general information there about the Internet I found to be helpful also. Cheers, Johan Lai Orange, CA '89 "Cassandra" > GORDON FRANK wrote: > > > > fyi > > > > << Start of Forwarded message via Prodigy Mail >> > > > > From: Allen Kenitzer > > Subject: Trojan Horse > > Date: 11/12 > > Time: 11:10 AM > > > > 163]) by pimaia1y.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA54262 > > for ; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:09:59 -0500 > > 192.85]) by popa.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.6.11/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA15452; > > Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:09:43 -0500 > > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:09:50 -0500 > > To: Stephanie.Kenitzer@NOAA.GOV, dmcriss@ingr.com, NVXL62A@prodigy. > > com, > > x01377@exmail.usma.army.mil, Rudegger@mindspring.com > > From: Wincel.A.Kenitzer.1@gsfc.nasa.gov (Allen Kenitzer) > > Subject: Trojan Horse > > > > FYI...be careful. > > > > > This message originated from Computer Services at the University of > > Maryland. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>================================================================ > > > > >>>>>>> DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY FILE NAMED PKZIP300 REGARDLESS OF > > EXTENSION. > > >>>>>>> A NEW Trojan Horse Virus has emerged on the Internet with > > the > > >>>>>>> name PKZIP300.ZIP, so named as to give the impression > > that this > > >>>>>>> file is a new version of the PKZIP software used to > > "zip" > > >>>>>>> compressed files DO NOT DOWNLOAD THIS FILE UNDER ANY > > >>>>>>> CIRCUMSTANCES!! If you install or expand the file, > > >>>>>>> the virus WILL wipe your hard disk clean and affect > > >>>>>>> modems at 14.4 and higher. This is an extremely > > destructive > > >>>>>>> virus & there is NOT yet a way of cleaning this one up. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO ANYONE YOU KNOW. > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > W. Allen Kenitzer > > PAO, MTPE Program Office/Code 170 > > NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Office of Public Affairs > > Greenbelt, MD 20771 > > Voice: (301) 286-2806, Fax: (301) 286-1671 > > E-mail: Allen.Kenitzer@gsfc.nasa.gov > > > > << End of Forwarded message >> > > > > ____ > > Gordon Frank NVXL62A@Prodigy.Com > > Atlanta, Georgia USA ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Karl Siebrecht To: "'PC800 list'" Subject: Mirror found Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:05:35 -0700 As you may have read, I was on the hunt for a replacement mirror/turn = signal for my '89 PC. I was surfing around and found a place called = Parter Parts. http://www.parterparts.com They not only found me a good used one for $110.00 (less than half of = what Honda wanted for new) but they e-mailed me that they had found one = (the right color even!!) within 30 minutes of my request. It is being fed-exed to me, so when I get it tomorrow, I will pass on = any other thoughts. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 13:40:55 -0500 (EST) From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Simply seeking some sympathy. Hi, Gang, Just a short note to say to those of you who still have a riding season going on....I AM SO JEALOUS. Here in Cleveburg we are having "Winter from Hell," which-- considering it's fall--is a real pain. There are outlying parts of the area that have 4 and 1/2 FEET of snow. The near suburbs have from 12 inches to 30 inches ( hi, Mark and Sandy!). I was going to wait until around Thanksgiving to store our bikes but something made me take it in last Wednesday. I am going through major PC withdrawal. But, hey, I'll be riding again in....*sigh*...March or April. So, to those of you like Johan and Steve and the other West Coasters, and to those of you in the Southeast and Southwest... please keep those stories posted. Because while those of us who can't ride are envious, we get what kicks we can pretending we're riding right behind you. Thanks, Alan '89 PC800 '94 XV535 (The Better Half's) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 19:01:07 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: "Alan D. Smith" CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Simply seeking some sympathy. Alan D. Smith wrote: > So, to those of you like Johan and Steve and the other West > Coasters, and to those of you in the Southeast and Southwest... > please keep those stories posted. Because while those of us > who can't ride are envious, we get what kicks we can pretending > we're riding right behind you. Despite the extreme morning temperatures, once it climbs to about 40 I suit up. Although the rides are shorter, I'm still on the road up here in the Northeast. Ohio seems to be having the start to winter that we had last year, and it didn't stop until April... My condolences. gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and 9 Degrees at the river this morning... Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 13 Nov 1996 21:51:37 -0000 From: "J. Paul Dinan" To: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Simply seeking some sympathy. >Hi, Gang, > >Just a short note to say to those of you who still have a riding >season going on....I AM SO JEALOUS. > >Here in Cleveburg we are having "Winter from Hell," which-- >considering it's fall--is a real pain. > >There are outlying parts of the area that have 4 and 1/2 FEET >of snow. The near suburbs have from 12 inches to 30 inches ( >hi, Mark and Sandy!). > >I was going to wait until around Thanksgiving to store our bikes >but something made me take it in last Wednesday. I am going >through major PC withdrawal. > >But, hey, I'll be riding again in....*sigh*...March or April. > >So, to those of you like Johan and Steve and the other West >Coasters, and to those of you in the Southeast and Southwest... >please keep those stories posted. Because while those of us >who can't ride are envious, we get what kicks we can pretending >we're riding right behind you. > >Thanks, > >Alan > ================================response================ Hi Alan, Hi All Sorry to hear you are knee deep in snow. In Quebec I am still riding my BMW, albeit v e r y slowly. It is cold, so cold in fact that funerals have come to a halt because no one can dig a grave and incineration takes too much fuel. I am still looking for a nice PC 800 for next season, but they are rare here in Quebec. Funny place. We have scads of Gold Wings but very few bikes like Kawa's Concours, or the PC 800 (Much Much prettier). Seems to be a very polarized market. Hypersports and Winebagos on two wheels. Well, I hope the snow melts quickly and you can return to the streets on two wheels. Be careful and ride safe. Cheers J.Paul Dinan =========================== 1977 R100RS Seca II 600 1984 RZ350 1996 VLX 600 =========================== --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 13 Nov 1996 21:53:14 -0000 From: "J. Paul Dinan" To: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Simply seeking some sympathy. >Hi, Gang, > >Just a short note to say to those of you who still have a riding >season going on....I AM SO JEALOUS. > >Here in Cleveburg we are having "Winter from Hell," which-- >considering it's fall--is a real pain. > >There are outlying parts of the area that have 4 and 1/2 FEET >of snow. The near suburbs have from 12 inches to 30 inches ( >hi, Mark and Sandy!). > >I was going to wait until around Thanksgiving to store our bikes >but something made me take it in last Wednesday. I am going >through major PC withdrawal. > >But, hey, I'll be riding again in....*sigh*...March or April. > >So, to those of you like Johan and Steve and the other West >Coasters, and to those of you in the Southeast and Southwest... >please keep those stories posted. Because while those of us >who can't ride are envious, we get what kicks we can pretending >we're riding right behind you. > >Thanks, > >Alan > ================================response================ Hi Alan, Hi All Sorry to hear you are knee deep in snow. In Quebec I am still riding my BMW, albeit v e r y slowly. It is cold, so cold in fact that funerals have come to a halt because no one can dig a grave and incineration takes too much fuel. I am still looking for a nice PC 800 for next season, but they are rare here in Quebec. Funny place. We have scads of Gold Wings but very few bikes like Kawa's Concours, or the PC 800 (Much Much prettier). Seems to be a very polarized market. Hypersports and Winebagos on two wheels. Well, I hope the snow melts quickly and you can return to the streets on two wheels. Be careful and ride safe. Cheers J.Paul Dinan =========================== 1977 R100RS Seca II 600 1984 RZ350 1996 VLX 600 =========================== --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 19:03:19 -0500 From: Paul Browne To: "Browne,Tim" Subject: A sobering message for the holiday season... Please circulate this and perhaps by the time Christmas comes, everyone will have read it. A sobering poem. Author & source unknown. DEATH OF AN INNOCENT I went to a party, Mom, I remembered what you said. You told me not to drink, Mom, so I drank soda instead. I really felt proud inside, Mom, the way you said I would. I didn't drink and drive, Mom, even though the others said I should. I know I did the right thing, Mom, I know you are always right. Now the party is finally ending, Mom, as everyone is driving out of sight. As I got into my car, Mom, I knew I'd get home in one piece. Because of the way you raised me, so responsible and sweet. I started to drive away, Mom, but as I pulled out into the road, the other car didn't see me, Mom, and hit me like a load. As I lay there on the pavement, Mom, I hear the policeman say, the other guy is drunk, Mom, and now I'm the one to pay. I'm lying here dying, Mom. I wish you'd get here soon. How could this happen to me, Mom? My life just burst like a balloon. There is blood all around me, Mom, and most of it is mine. I hear the medic say, Mom, I'll die in a short time. I just wanted to tell you, Mom, I swear I didn't drink. It was the others, Mom. The others didn't think. He was probably at the same party as I. The only difference is, he drank and I will die. Why do people drink, Mom? It can ruin your whole life. I'm feeling sharp pains now. Pains just like a knife. The guy who hit me is walking, Mom, and I don't think it's fair. I'm lying here dying and all he can do is stare. Tell my brother not to cry, Mom. Tell Daddy to be brave. And when I go to heaven, Mom, put "Daddy's Girl" on my grave Someone should have told him, Mom, not to drink and drive. If only they had told him, Mom, I would still be alive. My breath is getting shorter, Mom. I'm becoming very scared. Please don't cry for me, Mom. When I needed you, you were always there. I have one last question, Mom, before I say good bye. I didn't drink and drive, so why am I the one to die? ************************ Someone took the effort to write this poem. So please, forward this to as many people as you can. And see if we can get a chain going around the world that will make people understand that drinking and driving don't mix. TOGETHER WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE, so please forward this letter to as many people as you can. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 20:17:17 From: WKern@gnn.com (Walter F Kern, Jr) To: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Simply seeking some sympathy. I am located in New Jersey which also had a very bad winter last year as well as most years. However, I'm a member of the NJ Polar Bear MC. This group of 400-500 riders rides each Sunday throughout the winter to sites in NJ, NY, PA, and DE. I recently put up a website for the Polar Bears. You may want to check us out from time to time. I post pictures from the various rides. Our URL is: http://members.gnn.com/wkern/njpolar/bears.htm >Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 13:40:55 -0500 (EST) >From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith) >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Simply seeking some sympathy. > >Hi, Gang, > >Just a short note to say to those of you who still have a riding >season going on....I AM SO JEALOUS. > >Here in Cleveburg we are having "Winter from Hell," which-- >considering it's fall--is a real pain. > >There are outlying parts of the area that have 4 and 1/2 FEET >of snow. The near suburbs have from 12 inches to 30 inches ( >hi, Mark and Sandy!). > >I was going to wait until around Thanksgiving to store our bikes >but something made me take it in last Wednesday. I am going >through major PC withdrawal. > >But, hey, I'll be riding again in....*sigh*...March or April. > >So, to those of you like Johan and Steve and the other West >Coasters, and to those of you in the Southeast and Southwest... >please keep those stories posted. Because while those of us >who can't ride are envious, we get what kicks we can pretending >we're riding right behind you. > >Thanks, > >Alan > >'89 PC800 >'94 XV535 (The Better Half's) > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: cscales@haywire.csuhayward.edu Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 22:01:53 -0800 (PST) To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: pc800 web page Hello everyone! I have a question about the web page: actually two questions: 1. I've sent in pictures to be posted on the page about a month ago and have never seen them on the page. I am curious about the entire process... 2. There was a quite a bit of talk a few months ago about a redesign of the page, I looked at the possible new designs(which were very nice I might add) but I have not seen any changes to the old one. any thoughts???? chris '89 PC, white keep the shiny side up! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 22:40:22 -0800 To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" From: Roger Caplan Subject: PC800 in the city? Hello, I'm new to this list so forgive me if this is in a FAQ somewhere. I'm interested in getting a pc800, but some of the riding I would be doing is in downtown San Francisco. Is this too big of a bike for city riding? What about maneuverability? I don't like lane-splitting. ----------------------------------------------------------- Roger Caplan caplan@cnet.com www.cnet.com www.shareware.com www.search.com www.news.com www.download.com www.gamecenter.com www.activex.com www.tv.com ----------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 23:10:14 -0800 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: PC800 in the city? Roger ride in Seattle regularly, and find the PC to be very easy to handle in the city. I also spent a few days in SF recently, and except for the damn streecar tracks, it wasn't bad! -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 Honda PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 06:11:25 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Roger Caplan CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: PC800 in the city? Roger Caplan wrote: > I'm interested in getting a pc800, but some of the riding I would be doing > is in downtown San Francisco. Is this too big of a bike for city riding? > What about maneuverability? I don't like lane-splitting. With its' low center of gravity and relatively quick steering geometry, the PC is quite agile in tight confines. The low rpm torque and excellent gearing is just the right combination for city traffic. In my unbiased opinion, I say buy one! ;) gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and permafrost Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 09:11:21 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: downshifting Hi All: In a message dated 96-11-13 12:04:44 EST, John writes: << Downshifting is essential to make sure you are in a gear in which you can always accelerate, because you can only shift one gear at a time on a bike. >> Amen to the first part, but the last part is not true. You can shift any number of gears that you want to (perhaps he meant that you can shift only one gear per stroke of the lever). In response to Steve's original question, I generally support most of what has been said so far. The concensus and typical practice of working down through the gears using engine braking to slow works fine. If done smoothly (even without blipping the throttle), it doesn't hurt the engine or transmission or clutch in any immediate way (although it does stress them to some degree and may have some long-term negative effects if used exclusively). However, it isn't the only good technique. It is also viable to slow and stop using only the wheel brakes (their only purpose) with the clutch lever in. But as has been pointed out, it is critical to be in the correct gear at all times to permit acceleration. So, as the speed slows you simply shift down to the appropriate gear without releasing the clutch between shifts. This works fine in many situations, saves gas, and doesn't put any unnecessary stress on the engine and drive train. I use both techniques pretty much interchangeably and in combination depending on the traffic situation and how much warning I get prior to the stop. The combination technique (using the wheel brakes and engine braking) is probably the one I use most often. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Chrchlls2@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 10:08:23 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: downshifting I want to thank you all for a both broad and detailed, but conglomeratively indecisive answer to the BRAKING VS DOWNSHIFTING question. I have up until now been using both methods choosing either one or the other on apparent whim. Though I had felt in my anal-rententive way that there had to be a more concrete way of knowing which to use, I see now that this method of choosing seems to be the norm. I will continue to do so with greater ease of mind. A few points...one, Both I and my wife have attended the MSF course (Motorcycle Safety Foundation) and I feel it should be required curriculum for M1 licensure. I cannot reccommend it highly enough. When I get my 3k miles under my belt, which will be soon, I intend to attend the Advanced Rider's Course also. ......second, When braking from speed with the clutch in, I downshift as the bike slows so as to always remain in the appropriate gear. That way if the light changes I need only let out the clutch and roll on the throttle to accelerate. .....third, I never shift in the turns. Even a silky smooth shift has more variations in rear wheel forces from modulating speed between the brakes and shifting than just brakes alone. In the turns, leave the clutch in or leave it out, but don't change it. Better to have a minor delay in the after-turn acceleration than risk breaking traction in the turn. But of course that is all taught in the MSF course. Peace be with you all, Steve Churchill (Number 7) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 14 Nov 96 10:38:49 EST From: Keith Sproul To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Used PC-800 price and questions I have found a 1994 Black PC with 5k miles on it.. What would be a 'GOOD' price for this bike? It has a Rifle wind-screen and a back rest.. It also has a little time left on the warranty. Another question on a BLACK PC.. I was hoping to find a RED one.. How hard is the black one to keep clean? and is it a problem on visibility at night, i.e. other people seeing the black bike vs other colors? Can the PC be painted? I saw a picture on the net of someone's painted PC. I wonder how difficult this is... Keith Sproul Keith Sproul Ham Radio: WU2Z Student Housing Network Coordinator ksproul@noc.rutgers.edu Rutgers University Computing Services 908 445-3695 Work 908 445-2968 Fax http://www-ns.rutgers.edu/~ksproul/ 908 821-4828 Home ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 08:08:51 -0800 (PST) From: Johan Lai To: Keith Sproul cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Used PC-800 price and questions On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Keith Sproul wrote: > > > I have found a 1994 Black PC with 5k miles on it.. What would be a 'GOOD' > price for this bike? It has a Rifle wind-screen and a back rest.. > It also has a little time left on the warranty. My bid, would be around $5000. Considering a new 97 is $7500+, and 5k is relatively low miles for a 2 yr old PC. Of course, it has to be in excelent condition. Otherwise knock off a few hundred bucks. > > Another question on a BLACK PC.. I was hoping to find a RED one.. How hard is > the black one to keep clean? and is it a problem on visibility at night, i.e. > other people seeing the black bike vs other colors? Black bikes, like black cars, are darn hard to keep clean. I have a black Ford Probe. But when it is clean, they're sharp! Fortunately you don't have as much surface area on the PC as a car. > > Can the PC be painted? I saw a picture on the net of someone's painted > PC. I wonder how difficult this is... It could be me. I had mine repainted to a lighter color white because I had scuffed it up pretty good over the years. There were about 25-30 pieces all together that I disassembled and brought to a paint shop. The guy looked at me pretty fun at first but the whole job costed about $400. I hear other custom places are much more expensive. If you do decide on repainting, here's a hint: replace the screws and bolts back in the holes after removal so you don't lose anything. I had a few washers and a screw left over after putting it all back together. Hey, I'll be getting my ham license pretty soon so I'll keep your call sign handy :) > Keith Sproul Ham Radio: WU2Z > Student Housing Network Coordinator ksproul@noc.rutgers.edu > Rutgers University Computing Services 908 445-3695 Work 908 445-2968 Fax > http://www-ns.rutgers.edu/~ksproul/ 908 821-4828 Home Johan Lai Orange, CA '89 "Cassandra" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 08:41:37 -0800 To: Roger Caplan From: John LaFreniere Subject: Re: PC800 in the city? Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 10:40 PM 11/13/96 -0800, you wrote: >Hello, I'm new to this list so forgive me if this is in a FAQ somewhere. > >I'm interested in getting a pc800, but some of the riding I would be doing >is in downtown San Francisco. Is this too big of a bike for city riding? >What about maneuverability? I don't like lane-splitting. > > The PC is one of the most maneuverable bikes I've ever ridden... The only exception may be in the curvey canyons... Good Luck. > >----------------------------------------------------------- >Roger Caplan caplan@cnet.com > www.cnet.com www.shareware.com www.search.com > www.news.com www.download.com www.gamecenter.com > www.activex.com www.tv.com >----------------------------------------------------------- > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > John LaFreniere http://john.csun.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800'" Subject: RE: downshifting Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 10:32:20 -0800 -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich Sent: Thursday, November 14, 1996 10:32 AM To: 'Chrchlls2@aol.com' Subject: RE: downshifting Steve Churhill writes: ......second, When braking from speed with the clutch in, I downshift as the bike slows so as to always remain in the appropriate gear. That way if the light changes I need only let out the clutch and roll on the throttle to accelerate. The only thing I might add to this is leaving the clutch out when braking helps to ensure the rear wheel doesn't lock up. When I was at CLASS and the ERC, it was stressed that the clutch should not be pulled in till the bike is nearly stopped. Down shifting, even in panic situations, gives the advantage of engine braking plus the security that the rear wheel will keep spinning. I find this extrememly helpful when riding my VFR which has very little weight in the rear. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:49:54 -0700 (MST) To: John LaFreniere , Roger Caplan From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Re: PC800 in the city? Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 08:41 11/14/96 -0800, John LaFreniere wrote: >At 10:40 PM 11/13/96 -0800, you wrote: >>Hello, I'm new to this list so forgive me if this is in a FAQ somewhere. >> >>I'm interested in getting a pc800, but some of the riding I would be doing >>is in downtown San Francisco. Is this too big of a bike for city riding? >>What about maneuverability? I don't like lane-splitting. >> >> >The PC is one of the most maneuverable bikes I've ever ridden... The only >exception may be in the curvey canyons... >Good Luck. > I'm taken my PC (and a Gold Wing) down Lombard street. No sweat. But, frankly, I would argue that if you have to ask if it's going to be "too big" for you under ANY circumstances, you might want to either reconsider riding a motorcycle at all, or obtain the proper training (MSF training is my recommendation) and practice to so build your skills that it doesn't matter where you're riding or whether you're "splitting lanes" or not. Just my .02 worth. Gregg DesElms deselms@primenet.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:05:17 -0500 (EST) From: Barre Bull To: Roger Caplan cc: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: Re: PC800 in the city? Roger, I live in the suburbs of D.C. and have to ride in and through the city frequently...handles the traffic great! Best all around city/touring bike I've ever had. Plus...it's also great in the twisties :) Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, Roger Caplan wrote: > Hello, I'm new to this list so forgive me if this is in a FAQ somewhere. > > I'm interested in getting a pc800, but some of the riding I would be doing > is in downtown San Francisco. Is this too big of a bike for city riding? > What about maneuverability? I don't like lane-splitting. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Roger Caplan caplan@cnet.com > www.cnet.com www.shareware.com www.search.com > www.news.com www.download.com www.gamecenter.com > www.activex.com www.tv.com > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:11:32 -0500 (EST) From: Barre Bull To: Chrchlls2@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: downshifting Steve, You have just figured it out...the best riders do what works for them. I go this saturday to start my Motorcycle safety instructor training course and have been wondering how they will deal with that fact. While there may be RIGHT ways for doing somethings many other methods with equal value do exist for many other riding styles. Just do what keeps your rubber down and shiny side up! Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:10:50 -0800 (PST) From: Roger Caplan To: johnl@general.net, deselms@primenet.com Subject: Re: PC800 in the city? Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Content-MD5: Yai1y24ouCkYK00maqCjeg== > I would argue that if you have to ask if it's going to be "too big" > for you under ANY circumstances, you might want to either reconsider = riding > a motorcycle at all Parking? Visibility while backing up? lanes with double-parked cars? I = just=20 don't believe that all of these are as easy with, say, a Goldwing as = with my=20 CB250. ----------------------------------------------------------- Roger Caplan caplan@cnet.com www.cnet.com www.shareware.com www.search.com www.news.com www.download.com www.gamecenter.com www.activex.com www.tv.com ----------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 15:24:16 -0700 (MST) To: Roger Caplan , johnl@general.net From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Re: PC800 in the city? Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 14:10 11/14/96 -0800, Roger Caplan wrote: >> I would argue that if you have to ask if it's going to be "too big" >> for you under ANY circumstances, you might want to either reconsider riding >> a motorcycle at all > >Parking? Visibility while backing up? lanes with double-parked cars? I just >don't believe that all of these are as easy with, say, a Goldwing as with my >CB250. > Okay, let's take it point by point... 1. If you're parking in the kinds of places that require a 250 in order to fit into them, you're probably parking in places you shouldn'g be parking. 2. How often does one ever "back-up" a motorcycle (other than into our out of parking spaces). And why would looking over your shoulder on a Wing be any more difficult than looking over your shoulder on a 250? 3. Blocked is blocked. If double-parked cars are blocking traffic so that even cars should not pass, one should not attempt to remedy the problem by counting on being on a motorcycle in order to get around it. One must think of a motorcycle in much the same way one thinks about a car. One should not do things with motorcycles that one cannot do with a car. The classic example of this is the motorcyclist who travels between lanes on the highway during a traffic jam, when all the cars and trucks are stopped but the motorcycle sneaks through between them. That's wrong, not to mention unsafe, and it's the kind of crap that gives motorcyclists a bad name with the four wheelers. If you expect to be treated as an equal on the road, you've got to act like one. There is nothing about riding a PC or a Gold Wing that is any more difficult than riding a 250 if you know what you're doing. Big motorcycles are too heavy to "manhandle" as you might a 250. It's all balance and clutching and throttle skill and a gentle touch. You let the engine do the work and you count on the laws of physics to keep you upright. Having mastered that, a PC or a Wing is as maneuverable in San Francisco traffic as any other motorcycle. Gregg DesElms deselms@primenet.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:53:09 -0800 (PST) From: Roger Caplan To: johnl@general.net, deselms@primenet.com Subject: Re: PC800 in the city? Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Content-MD5: 5+Tk5oj+yybDyLUGgqVS0A== > 1. If you're parking in the kinds of places that require a 250 in = order to > fit into them, you're probably parking in places you shouldn'g be = parking. Motorcycle parking spots with one other motorcycle on each side, with = little=20 space to enter without banging other bikes' mirrors or saddlebags. Oh, = and add a=20 slope to that, and heavy traffic coming down on you so you better hurry = up. > 2. How often does one ever "back-up" a motorcycle About 2/3 of the times I park. Unless you prefer backing up into a busy = street. > And why would looking over your shoulder on a Wing > be any more difficult than looking over your shoulder on a 250? Saddlebags/trunk block the view of the immediate rear. > 3. Blocked is blocked. Not true; 80% of such situations I encounter in the city are not so = clear cut.=20 This isn't suburbia. > One should not do things with motorcycles that one cannot do with a = car. It's not that simple. There are often perfectly legitimate situations = where a=20 motorcycle could go through, but most cars couldn't. You don't have to = be=20 lane-splitting to encounter this. > The classic example of this is the motorcyclist who travels=20 > between lanes on the highway during a traffic jam That's a very bad representation of the typical situation motorcyclists=20 encounter downtown in a city. > There is nothing about riding a PC or a Gold Wing that is any more = difficult > than riding a 250 if you know what you're doing. In an ideal situation, yes. Downtown San Francisco is not an ideal = situation. > Big motorcycles are too heavy to "manhandle" as you might a 250. You can't "manhandle" a CB250 either; 300lbs+ is a lot. Maybe a moped. > It's all balance and clutching and > throttle skill and a gentle touch. You can't fit a 2-inch ball through a 1.5-inch hole with all the skill = and=20 gentle touch in the world. -Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 15:43:27 -0800 From: Johan Lai To: Bob and Grace Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Used PC-800 price and questions I was guessing because I saw $7XXX something. It could have been $7995. I saw it at dealer here in California. But then again, I could have confused it w/ a 96. At any rate, I was just trying to say that the black PC was a good deal. Johan Bob and Grace wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Johan Lai wrote: > >> I have found a 1994 Black PC with 5k miles on it.. What would be a 'GOOD' > >> price for this bike? It has a Rifle wind-screen and a back rest.. > >> It also has a little time left on the warranty. > > > >My bid, would be around $5000. Considering a new 97 is $7500+, and 5k is > >relatively low miles for a 2 yr old PC. Of course, it has to be in > >excelent condition. Otherwise knock off a few hundred bucks. > > > > where did you get the price of 7500 ... my dealer told me something like 100 > dollars more than last year or about 8700 ... is he asking to much or what ??? > > later > > :) > > bob and grace parker > http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/luvadot > __________________________________________________________________________ > "Those who reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the > fatigue of supporting it." - Thomas Paine > > Send *NO* Unsolicited Commercial Email > _________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:06:39 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Dave Lott Subject: Re: PC800 in the city? >Okay, let's take it point by point... > [snip] > >2. How often does one ever "back-up" a motorcycle (other than into our out > of parking spaces). And why would looking over your shoulder on a Wing > be any more difficult than looking over your shoulder on a 250? I'm not a resident but I have visited the City by the Bay a number of times and I would say that backing up a motorcycle for parking is a big requirement on a number of streets in the area due to the steep grades. My understanding is that cars parked on any street in SFO, must block their wheels to the curb or risk a ticket. While I don't think it would pose a problem for a PC, there definately would be a difference with a 250. For what it is worth. Dave Lott Marietta, GA 1989 PC \ \\ .__=. \ \____ ,' -(@)\-\<) \__ \ (_______/_:\ >==.\ \___,' /# #\ | : \____ ,\\\___/|_|##(O)##| `./\---. / ,`--' ,======'//, //.\ . \ ( ______)_//<_> O//// ( (@O ) ) (________/ ====='o' \ `-' / `----' `---' ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 20:19:57 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Johan Lai CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Used PC-800 price and questions Johan Lai wrote: > My bid, would be around $5000. Considering a new 97 is $7500+,... Make that $8,500+ :( gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and the grazing herd of deer in the back yard Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 20:59:51 -0500 (EST) From: Barre Bull To: Roger Caplan cc: johnl@general.net, deselms@primenet.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 in the city? Roger, You asked about the handling and such of a PC and the members of the list responed and I doubt seriously if they intended to start an argument about the merits of a PC over a 250 (though they are numerous ;) ). The majority of the riders that have responded to you are long time riders and have ridden alot of types of bikes, large and small, so they kinda know where of they speak. So take their advice or leave it and let's move on to the next topic. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 20:50:37 -0500 (EST) From: Barre Bull To: "Gregg L. DesElms" cc: Roger Caplan , johnl@general.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 in the city? Gregg, Well said! Not to mention you have a better chance of being seen in city traffic on a larger bike than something as small as a 250. Visibility is an essential part of riding...how often have you heard of an accident being caused because the car driver said they didn't see the bike? I've heard it more than I care to. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Gregg L. DesElms wrote: > At 14:10 11/14/96 -0800, Roger Caplan wrote: > >> I would argue that if you have to ask if it's going to be "too big" > >> for you under ANY circumstances, you might want to either reconsider riding > >> a motorcycle at all > > > >Parking? Visibility while backing up? lanes with double-parked cars? I just > >don't believe that all of these are as easy with, say, a Goldwing as with my > >CB250. > > > > > There is nothing about riding a PC or a Gold Wing that is any more difficult > than riding a 250 if you know what you're doing. Big motorcycles are too > heavy to "manhandle" as you might a 250. It's all balance and clutching and > throttle skill and a gentle touch. You let the engine do the work and you > count on the laws of physics to keep you upright. Having mastered that, a > PC or a Wing is as maneuverable in San Francisco traffic as any other > motorcycle. > > Gregg DesElms > deselms@primenet.com > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 20:34:57 -0800 From: greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers ) Subject: "Real" price of a new PC800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu My subject may be a little misleading. I don't know the "real" price of a new PC800, since I haven't bought one. I did, however, have a salesman at Chapparell in San Bernardino, CA offer me one for $7,600 about a month ago. I assume it was a '96, but it sounds like a pretty good price for an unsolicited dealer qoute to a "looky-loo". Does this sound realistic to those who may have bought a new 96 or 97? I believe the sticker is $8,699, up from $8,599 for 96. All of this notwithstanding, I'm probably going to get a low milage 90 or 96. Someone recently asked about red being more visible than black or white, and it certainly seems like it should be. I think I'll ask my MSF instructor; I'm taking Day 2 of my basic course this Saturday in preparation for SERIOUS PC800 shopping. Anybody got an opinion? Greg Chambers (Waiting ever so patiently for a ride!) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: deselms@primenet.com Cc: caplan@cnet.com, johnl@general.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 in the city? From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 00:12:56 EST One > should not do things with motorcycles that one cannot do with a >car. The > classic example of this is the motorcyclist who travels between >lanes > on the highway during a traffic jam, when all the cars and trucks >are > stopped but the motorcycle sneaks through between them. That's >wrong, Why should one not take advantage of a motorcycle's size and maneuverability to do things that cannot be done with a car? And what is wrong with splitting lanes in a traffic jam? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 01:57:01 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: This Sounds So...Familiar. Hi, PC800 gang! Remember our ad nauseum posts on the Stupid! dealerships a while back? Well...I've got a postscript. After having some warranty work done at my Stupid! Dealership, I found that one of the speedometer illumination bulbs was broken. Pointing this out to the Service Dept., they hemmed and hawed and finally allowed as to how they "might" have broken the bulb while replacing my speedometer cable. When they also hemmed and hawed as to when they could fix it, I ordered my own bulb--I'll fix it the next time I'm diggin' in that part of the bike. Stopped in Monday to pick up the bulb; path to Service Dept. goes thru the showroom. Asked one of the salesmen if they had a '97 PC on the floor yet 'cause I'd heard they'd made some changes on it. He allows as to how they didn't have one yet, but he did have some pamphlets on the '97 Honda line. Let's Take A look, Boys and Girls! So he's got the pamphlet out and pointing out that Nope! Looks like the '97's going to be just like the '96 PC that they've got on the floor. Look...same color scheme and no body changes whatsoever! Then I gently pointed out that we were looking at a '96 Honda brochure. Oops. That's when I quietly tiptoed out the door. He was still riffling through stacks of brochures and mumbling to himself... Tim Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com '94 PC800 - 36K "It is better to go into a corner slow and come out fast than it is to go into a corner fast and come out dead." - Sterling Moss ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 02:05:22 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Efficiency Is My Middle Name... Yup, found a great way to clean the bike off the other day. Went for a 100-mile ride the other day--started raining after 30 miles (Well, geez, the Weather Service said it wasn't supposed to rain until that evening!). When I got home, I went over the entire bike with a chamois...looks great! Can't say that for my pants--forgot to take my rain pants along. Didja ever notice that PCs are great in the rain for staying dry (when you're moving) except for one teeny tiny thing--the water that collects on the tank bag. Gravity being what it is, the only logical place that it can go is your crotch. And cotton jeans can soak up a tremendous amount of water! :-(( Tim Portland, OR '94 PC800 - 36K "It is better to go into a corner slow and come out fast than it is to go into a corner fast and come out dead." - Sterling Moss ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 15 Nov 96 02:25:27 EST From: Willem van Alderwerelt <101362.2633@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 owners Cc: Viviane van Alderwerelt <106223.516@CompuServe.COM>, Gerard Diepeveen , Andre Hoonhout <101455.347@CompuServe.COM>, Ad van Klaveren <106330.2735@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Virus >> --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- PLEASE POST!!! THIS VIRUS MEANS BUSINESS !!!!!!!!!! PLEASE POST!!! THIS VIRUS MEANS BUSINESS !!!!!!!!!! There is a computer virus that is being sent across the Internet. If you receive an email message with the subject line "GOOD TIMES", DO NOT read the message, DELETE it immediately. PLEASE READ THE MESSAGE BELOW !!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE READ THE MESSAGE BELOW !!!!!!!!!!!!! Some miscreant is sending email under the title "Good Times" nationwide, if you get anything like this, DON'T DOWN LOAD THE FILE! It has a virus that rewrites your hard drive, obliterating anything on it. Please be careful and forward this mail to anyone you care about. The FCC released a warning last Wednesday concerning a matter of major importance to any regular user of the Internet. Apparently a new computer virus has been engineered by a user of AMERICA ON LINE that is unparalleled in its destructive capability. Other more well-known viruses such as "Stoned", "Airwolf" and "Michaelangelo" pale in comparison to the prospects of this newest creation by a warped mentality. What makes this virus so terrifying, said the FCC, is the fact that no program needs to be exchanged for a new computer to be infected. It can be spread through the existing email systems of the Internet. >> > > Once a Computer is infected, one of several things can happen. If the computer contains a hard drive, that will most likely be destroyed. If the program is not stopped, the computer's processor will be placed in an nth-complexity infinite binary loop -which can severely damage the processor if left running that way too long. >> > > Unfortunately, most novice computer users will not realize what is happening until it is far too late. Luckily, there is one sure means of detecting what is now known as the "Good Times" virus. It always travels to new computers the same way in a text email message with the subject line reading "Good Times". Avoiding infection is easy once the file has been received simply by NOT READING IT! The act of loading the file into the mail server's ASCII buffer causes the "Good Times" mainline program to initialize and execute. >> > > The program is highly intelligent - it will send copies of itself to everyone whose email address is contained in a receive-mail file or a sent-mail file, if it can find one. It will then proceed to trash the computer it is running on. >> > > The bottom line is: - if you receive a file with the subject line "Good Times", delete it immediately! Do not read it" Rest assured that whoever' name was on the "From" line was surely struck by the virus. Warn your friends and local system users of this newest threat to the Internet! It could save them a lot of time and money. Could you pass this along to your global mailing list as well? DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY FILE NAMED PKZIP300 REGARDLESS OF THE EXTENSION We work closely with the military and received this message from a very reliable source in Washington DC this morning. A NEW Trojan Horse Virus has emerged on the internet with the name PKZIP300.ZIP, so named as to give the impression that this file is a new version of the PKZIP software used to "ZIP" (compress) files. >> > > DO NOT DOWNLOAD this file under any circumstances!!! If you install or expand this file, the virus WILL wipe your hard disk clean and affect modems at 14.4 and higher. This is an extremely destructive virus and there is NOT yet a way of cleaning up this one. REPEAT: DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY FILE NAMED PKZIP300 REGARDLESS OF THE EXTENSION. >> --------- End forwarded message ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 15 Nov 96 7:52:00 EST From: Keith Sproul To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Virus Msgs do NOT!!! belong on a motorcycle group The VIRUS messages that have been posted on this group recently have been either OLD or, in the case of the GOOD TIME VIRUS, a VERY VERY OLD HOAX! I subscribed to this list to learn about MOTORCYCLES! I already KNOW about computers, and I read plenty in the computer stuff to learn about any possibly virus that I should know about from those groups. PLEASE DO NOT SEND VIRUS INFORMATION TO A MOTORCYCLE NEWS/MAIL LIST UNLESS IT IS GOING TO ADVERSELY AFFECT A MOTORCYCLE! (Just my opinion) Keith Sproul Keith Sproul Ham Radio: WU2Z Student Housing Network Coordinator ksproul@noc.rutgers.edu Rutgers University Computing Services 908 445-3695 Work 908 445-2968 Fax http://www-ns.rutgers.edu/~ksproul/ 908 821-4828 Home ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Chrchlls2@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:47:33 -0500 To: greg501@ix.netcom.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: "Real" price of a new PC800 Concerning the visibility of black vs red vs white motorcycles. The Hurt Study found that color had little to do with visibility because the usual accidents occurred when the other vehicle did not see the motorcycle from a head on aspect. Headlights and fairings to enlarge and conspicuate the front of a motorcycle has significantly more effect on visibility than color. If you want to see the findings of the Hurt Study (verrry enlightening) there is a commercial website that was recently listed on the PC800 webpage that has it all in summary. Unfortunately I don't remember the address specifically, but in the same message there were listings for the Corbin and Harley-Davidson sites also. Maybe someone out there can list it again or try your browser or archives. QUESTION TO WEBSITE: Does anybody out there know where I can get a headlight modulator for a PC 800. I found a schematic for one on the web but I am schematically illiterate so it was not helpful. Steve (number 7) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 07:56:44 -0800 To: Chrchlls2@aol.com From: Sid Liebes Subject: Re: "Real" price of a new PC800 Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Re appended, "A Summary of the Hurt Study" is available at ... http://www.ibmwr.org/ktech/hurt.html - Sid At 09:47 AM 11/15/96 -0500, you wrote: >Concerning the visibility of black vs red vs white motorcycles. The Hurt >Study found that color had little to do with visibility because the usual >accidents occurred when the other vehicle did not see the motorcycle from a >head on aspect. Headlights and fairings to enlarge and conspicuate the front >of a motorcycle has significantly more effect on visibility than color. >If you want to see the findings of the Hurt Study (verrry enlightening) there >is a commercial website that was recently listed on the PC800 webpage that >has it all in summary. Unfortunately I don't remember the address >specifically, but in the same message there were listings for the Corbin and >Harley-Davidson sites also. Maybe someone out there can list it again or try >your browser or archives. by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-7 #18580) 15 Nov 1996 11:21:03 -0600 (CST) (peer crosschecked as: felix.filenet.com [198.3.8.11]) id QQbpyq15636; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:14:44 -0500 (EST) id MAA19980; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:09:58 -0500 15 Nov 1996 09:14:04 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:31:48 -0800 From: Johan Lai Subject: Re: Virus Msgs do NOT!!! belong on a motorcycle group To: Keith Sproul Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I agree w/ Keith. Please visit the archives and look at my message regarding Urban Legends. Thank you. Johan Lai Orange, CA '89 "Cassandra" Keith Sproul wrote: > > The VIRUS messages that have been posted on this group recently have been > either OLD or, in the case of the GOOD TIME VIRUS, a VERY VERY OLD HOAX! > > I subscribed to this list to learn about MOTORCYCLES! I already KNOW about > computers, and I read plenty in the computer stuff to learn about any > possibly virus that I should know about from those groups. > > PLEASE DO NOT SEND VIRUS INFORMATION TO A MOTORCYCLE NEWS/MAIL LIST UNLESS IT > IS GOING TO ADVERSELY AFFECT A MOTORCYCLE! > > (Just my opinion) > > Keith Sproul > > Keith Sproul Ham Radio: WU2Z > Student Housing Network Coordinator ksproul@noc.rutgers.edu > Rutgers University Computing Services 908 445-3695 Work 908 445-2968 Fax > http://www-ns.rutgers.edu/~ksproul/ 908 821-4828 Home ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:51:23 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Colors and visibility At 09:47 AM 11/15/96 -0500, you wrote: >Concerning the visibility of black vs red vs white motorcycles. The Hurt >Study found that color had little to do with visibility because the usual >accidents occurred when the other vehicle did not see the motorcycle from a >head on aspect. This comment is not to refute the findings of the Hurt Study, but I think it merits some thought. If you are concerned with visibility as related to the color of your bike, the best choice would be white ('89). When light conditions are good, as in bright sunshine, the red is very attractive, but as anyone who dives knows, when light conditions are marginal, the black and red colors are the first to go. Red turns into grey, just the right kind to blend with pavement. Then again, I've seen some of those almost white interslabs you guys have down there, so all of this is IMHO. How about a fluorescent orange PC? (ugh) Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vince Santamaria" To: , "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Colors and visibility Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 13:38:42 -0500 Juan, I have been hit on a white Transalp and a red Ascot but never on my black Harley. Both driver that hit me said that they never saw me. They don't care what color you are on. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:35:51 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Colors and visibility At 01:38 PM 11/15/96 -0500, you wrote: >Juan, I have been hit on a white Transalp and a red Ascot but never on my >black Harley. Both driver that hit me said that they never saw me. They >don't care what color you are on. Agreed. We should never rely on the color of our bikes alone to prevent an accident, but every little bit helps, yes? Your comment hihglights the point about bulk. Both the Transalp and the Ascot are relatively small and skinny bikes. I don't know what type of HD you ride, but even the Sportster has more apparent bulk than the other two bikes, me thinks. Ride safe! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Smcavin@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 13:47:18 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, vsantam@eccrs.edison.cc.fl.us Subject: Re: Colors and visibility <> Rather unlucky. Getting hit is unusual - at least according to the "Hurt Study". I have to agree though that color means nothing in regards to safety. The opposing driver never has the opportunity to appreciate the color of the bike - because they never saw you in the first place. My $.02 Bart ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 13:52:29 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: downshifting Hi All: In a message dated 96-11-14 13:45:46 EST, Bryce contributed: << The only thing I might add to this is leaving the clutch out when braking helps to ensure the rear wheel doesn't lock up. When I was at CLASS and the ERC, it was stressed that the clutch should not be pulled in till the bike is nearly stopped. >> This is good advice if you are talking about braking from approach speed to entry speed for a turn, which is the context for this recommendation by Reg in his CLASS (note: in this same context, he is also having you run in a lower gear than normal to have more engine braking for speed adjustment). It also applies when braking to a normal stop which was the original context for this thread. However, when it comes to emergency braking to a stop, all of the braking research that has been done to date has shown that it is important to squeeze the clutch lever to eliminate engine braking from the equation. This greatly simplifies the rider's contol tasks during a critical maneuver. It permits useful modulation of the rear brake under extremely light wheel loads, which results in the minimum stopping distance. Further, if the rear wheel is inadvertently locked during maximum braking, the engine drag alone can keep the rear wheel locked even if the wheel brake is completely released. This reduces the rider's control options and can result in complete loss of control if the bike gets out of alignment under maximum front braking. And, of course, keeping the engine running could become important in many situations. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:18:50 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Colors and visibility >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 96 13:55:12 EST >From: Keith Sproul >To: "Juan A. Goula" >Subject: Re: Colors and visibility > > >> How about a fluorescent orange PC? (ugh) > >It works for me.. I wouldn't mind an International Orange Bike.. My wife >would ABSOLUTELY LOVE a pastel-pink one... And she CANT STAND ORANGE! > >Oh well.. The black bike I am looking out is almost too good to turn down. > >I will probably by either the black 94 PC-800 or a black 91 ST-1100. Both in >good shape, both with low miles.. It is a TOUGH decision. > >Keith > >Keith Sproul Ham Radio: WU2Z >Student Housing Network Coordinator ksproul@noc.rutgers.edu >Rutgers University Computing Services 908 445-3695 Work 908 445-2968 Fax >http://www-ns.rutgers.edu/~ksproul/ 908 821-4828 Home > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:18:50 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Colors and visibility >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 96 13:55:12 EST >From: Keith Sproul >To: "Juan A. Goula" >Subject: Re: Colors and visibility > > >> How about a fluorescent orange PC? (ugh) > >It works for me.. I wouldn't mind an International Orange Bike.. My wife >would ABSOLUTELY LOVE a pastel-pink one... And she CANT STAND ORANGE! > >Oh well.. The black bike I am looking out is almost too good to turn down. > >I will probably by either the black 94 PC-800 or a black 91 ST-1100. Both in >good shape, both with low miles.. It is a TOUGH decision. > >Keith > >Keith Sproul Ham Radio: WU2Z >Student Housing Network Coordinator ksproul@noc.rutgers.edu >Rutgers University Computing Services 908 445-3695 Work 908 445-2968 Fax >http://www-ns.rutgers.edu/~ksproul/ 908 821-4828 Home > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 16:13:05 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: Flaming Tires? Couple weeks ago, BernieK469@aol.com wrote: >The new K 177s [...] > Boy, do they lean! You can go into a corner, down wind and >short. I just put one on the front. Almost feels like you can lean the bike over in a a corner and just park it there. Back to dragging the pegs for me! But, I always have trouble assessing new tires, because my old ones are always so bad by the time I change 'em that *anything* would be an improvement. Also got new pads and one caliper rebuilt, has been sticking for the past couple months. -dan -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 15 Nov 96 16:23:34 EST From: Willem van Alderwerelt <101362.2633@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 owners Subject: Virus/ Apologies Hi to all, I would like to apologize for sending a message that apparently offended some people on the list. On the other hand, although there is no relation to motorcycling or even better riding a PC 800, if people know about it, it is better to know about it then ending up with a crash on your hard disk. Kind regards Willem van Alderwerelt, The Netherlands 101362.2633@compuserve.com 1995 PC 800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 17:19:10 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: George Hudson Subject: Re: "Real" price of a new PC800 At 08:34 PM 11/14/96 -0800, you wrote: >My subject may be a little misleading. I don't know the "real" price >of a new PC800, since I haven't bought one. I did, however, have a >salesman at Chapparell in San Bernardino, CA offer me one for $7,600 >about a month ago. I assume it was a '96, but it sounds like a pretty >good price for an unsolicited dealer qoute to a "looky-loo". Does this >sound realistic to those who may have bought a new 96 or 97? > >I believe the sticker is $8,699, up from $8,599 for 96. I paid $7350 for my wifes new 96 here in Ohio in September, I think thats pretty close to dlr. cost. ********************************************** George Hudson 93 GL-1500 Aspencade georgeh@en.com 96 ST-1100 Solon,Ohio 76 GL-1000 Standard (2) GWRRA 91008 STOC 302 AMA 415992 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 15:39:40 -0700 (MST) To: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy) From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Re: PC800 in the city? Cc: caplan@cnet.com, johnl@general.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 00:12 11/15/96 EST, Richard A Hardy wrote: > > >Why should one not take advantage of a motorcycle's size and >maneuverability to do things that cannot be done with a car? And what is >wrong with splitting lanes in a traffic jam? > You're kidding, right? If not, I'm not even going to dignify the questions with a response. Gregg DesElms deselms@primenet.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 18:26:00 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Lane Splitting / Virus / PC-800 In The City / Etc. The recent threads that have unfolded here prompted me to check that I didn't somehow accidently get transported to Flamewreck.Motorcycles... Lighten up, be happy, have a beer. Or I'll spam .WAV attachments of Larry Meiers doing color commentary on "Cycle World" to the list. ;) ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and why can't I claim them on my tax return... Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 16:16:26 -0800 (PST) From: Roger Caplan To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 in the city? Content-MD5: HaPXSLz3rxdjy8Fft/mDyw== > >Why should one not take advantage of a motorcycle's size and > >maneuverability to do things that cannot be done with a car? And = what is > >wrong with splitting lanes in a traffic jam? > > >=20 > You're kidding, right? If not, I'm not even going to dignify the = questions > with a response.=20 Oh, please. Keep the pretentiousness to yourself. -Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 19:32:27 -0500 (EST) From: Nick Witzell To: Roger Caplan cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 in the city? Is this a forum of pc riders and/or lovers? Please stop the flames, or if they are not flames the striking of matches. Imagine.1~, if you will, you are face to face with the writer of the message you are responding to with such aggression (or the my opinion is the "law of the universe"). just a small thought... written by a 15 year old mind... and a 50 year old body... Nick ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 16:40:05 -0800 (PST) From: Roger Caplan To: nick@boreas.whoi.edu Subject: Re: PC800 in the city? Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Content-MD5: GYurDcX5uNmPWcYqij/LBg== > Imagine.1~, if you will, you are face to face with the writer of the > message you are responding to with such aggression (or the my opinion = is > the "law of the universe").=20 What's your point? BTW, I'm not on the list anymore, so just stop cc'ing me and your = worries will=20 disappear. -Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 23:18:18 -0500 To: ksproul@hardees.rutgers.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Used PC-800 price and questions BUY IT!!! You'll enjoy it. I bought a '94 with 2K miles and paid $4000. Best deal ever. Easy to clean, no visabilty issues... Buy and enjoy Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 22:26:04 -0800 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: virus stuff hey gang, take it easy. anyone new to computers gets spooked by the mere mention of 'virus'. I personally don't get upset when I get the msgs. Actually, I think it's kinda funny to see how far these 'urban legends' travel and for how long.... fyi.. I hear of GOOD TIMES back in 87 when I first used AOL.... -- Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 02:31:29 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: birch@top.monad.net (David Birchenough) Subject: Used PC800 Prices I've noticed a fair amount of discussion regarding used market values for PC800s. In the November 1996 issue of Motorcycle Consumer News there's a Used Bike Value Guide listing current values for ALL motorcycles manufactured in the last 14 years. Their source is the AMA Official Motorcycle Value Guide published by CPI at 800-972-5312. The PC800 values are: '96=$7,100 '95=$5,400 '94=$4,975 '90=$4,450 '89=$3,950 Keep in mind that these are national guidelines and "popularity, or lack thereof, of these models in your area may effect their value, blah, blah, blah." You know, the usual stuff that says the market sets the true price. Hope this helps you poor folks that don't yet have the best bike on the streets. Dave Dave Birchenough Mac By Design 23 Nubanusit Road Marlborough NH 03455 birch@top.monad.net Make it a great day! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PILEWIS@aol.com Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 10:47:24 -0500 To: garyklim@snet.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Lane Splitting / Virus / PC-800 In The City / Etc. In a message dated 96-11-15 18:27:36 EST, garyklim@snet.net (Gary E. Klim) writes: << The recent threads that have unfolded here prompted me to check that I didn't somehow accidently get transported to Flamewreck.Motorcycles... Lighten up, be happy, have a beer. Or I'll spam .WAV attachments of Larry Meiers doing color commentary on "Cycle World" to the list. ;) >> I agree!!!!!! If Y'all aren't gonna' beehappeee out there........... I may hafta' attach airline passenger "buckle-up" announcements!!! :-o El don Felipe' ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PILEWIS@aol.com Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 10:47:29 -0500 To: birch@top.monad.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Used PC800 Prices In a message dated 96-11-16 02:30:36 EST, birch@top.monad.net (David Birchenough) writes: << The PC800 values are: '96=$7,100 '95=$5,400 '94=$4,975 '90=$4,450 '89=$3,950 >> Thanks for this list! I didn't realize that my '90 was so close in value to a '94 or even a '95! Phil So. Cal ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 17:30:30 -0500 From: Roger Prince To: PC800 list members Subject: CLASSIFIEDS 2000 --------------475211F64D05 http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/clspart.exe?N1+link_netscape --------------475211F64D05 Content-Base: "http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls /clspart.exe?N1+link_netscape" CLASSIFIEDS 2000
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In an unusual show of compassion, they even published a second letter from an avid PC owner extolling its virtues. Maybe the world is coming around to our viewpoint after all! Ride as if your life depended on it! \ Dave Lott \\ .__=. \ \____ ,' -(@)\-\<) Marietta, GA \__ \ (_______/_:\ >==.\ \___,' /# #\ | : \____ 1989 PC ,\\\___/|_|##(O)##| `./\---. / ,`--' ,======'//, //.\ . \ ( ______)_//<_> O//// ( (@O ) ) (________/ ====='o' \ `-' / `----' `---' ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 22:10:21 -0800 From: Relaena To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: 3d Pacific Coast well...here's a project. I've recently purchased INFINI-D for my mac. It's a WAY cool 3-d designing program. I'm still learning the basics, but from what I've seen in the tutorial, it's amazing. So, I'm gonna try and do a PC. Has anyone else tried this yet?? I think what I need is something like the fisch thingies that the parts guys use so I can 'trace' the outlines of the outer parts. this may be an undertaking I grow to regret :>) -- Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 06:51:41 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: relaena@teleport.com CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: 3d Pacific Coast Relaena wrote: > I think what I need > is something like the fisch thingies that the parts guys use so I can > 'trace' the outlines of the outer parts. The parts fiche is about $5. If you can borrow a reader, here's a trick to let you trace the body parts: 1) Remove the frosted glass from fiche reader. 2) Put Microfiche in reader upside down. 3) You can now project microfiche onto a wall, tracing paper or your cat. I'm not sure why, but I can focus mine from OEM distance to well over 20 feet. gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and I think I'll have the Swanson frozen turkey for breakfast... Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 20:55:20 +0200 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: viollet@IT.net (Viollet Engineerig s.r.l.) Subject: problems with wind What kind of windshield is good for me? I'm 175 cm tall and my wife is 155 cm. If I buy a taller one does the bike become more instable? As anyone tried to add a piece of plexiglass on the top of that one of mass production, fixed by bolts? by mail.webspan.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA06936 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 15:13:03 -0500 (EST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 15:13:12 -0500 From: Klassc To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Gas Stabilizer I am going to use my bike sparingly through the winter. But if this winter is anything like the last there will be times when I won't ride for more that 30 days. Maybe even 60! Someone mentioned before about using "stabilizer" in the gas. What is that? Is it the, Gas anti-freeze, carb cleaner,? I have been to several auto store but nothing is named, Stabilizer. So what is it? Chris Klass 95 PC 800 11,000 Miles, and Loving it! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 17:54:45 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: klassc@webspan.net CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Gas Stabilizer Klassc wrote: > > I am going to use my bike sparingly through the winter. But if this > winter is anything like the last there will be times when I won't ride > for more that 30 days. Maybe even 60! Someone mentioned before about > using "stabilizer" in the gas. What is that? Stabilizer will keep your gas from turning into ugly semi-solids and plugging up your carb jets and eating away at your float bowls. When mixed at the "storage" dosage, gas will keep for up to a year. I've been using the Honda stabilizer (which is actually Stabil {the brand name}). It treats 2 1/2 gallons per ounce. I've been using stabilized gas for the last month because I never know just when the last ride of the year will be. I pre mix the gas and stabilizer in 2 1/2 gallon cans so I don't have flashbacks of the days when I owned a two stroke without oil injection and would dump the oil in the tank and shake like hell...you get the idea. When using stabilized gas it's recommended that you not drain the float bowls. I've tried it both ways over the years and have had no problems either way, so inertia wins out these days and I leave the bowls full. gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and people look at you funny when your riding and it's 35 degrees out... Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 18:13:05 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Bike news on CNN! Check this out, motorcycle race results on mainstream media. I almost had a heart attack! http://www.cnn.com/SPORTS/9611/16/macau.ap/index.html gk -- ______________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and only 5 more months till spring... Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 13:18:19 -0800 From: ERIC MATTHEWS To: Keith Sproul CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Used PC-800 price and questions Keith Sproul wrote: > > > Another question on a BLACK PC.. I was hoping to find a RED one.. How hard is > the black one to keep clean? and is it a problem on visibility at night, i.e. I love my 95. The black is a little more work, but what a sharp looking bike. I keep a soft towel or a Kozak in the trunk and give it a quick wipe down a couple times a week. While color may play a role in visibility while you are parked or stopped, it will play a lesser role while you are riding. At night drivers are looking for lights not paint. Also movement is much easier to see regardless of color ( a soldier in camo can be almost invisible in the bushes until he starts moving around ). If you really want the red PC then wait for it. But the black one does look good... Eric '95 Bat Cycle ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Chrchlls2@aol.com Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 21:27:38 -0500 To: viollet@it.net cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: problems with wind I have an aftermarket windshield on my PC with the brand name Rifle. I am 6 feet tall (~183 cm) and it works fine for me. I understand the Honda tall windshields have an unfortunate characteristic of acting like a lens in the sun focusing its heat on the dash and thereby melting it. I have had no such problems with mine. I cannot tell you which size I have but I am sure a representative can help you. The only complaint I have with it is because it is unvented. At freeway speeds there is tremendous backpressure; all the wind hits me from the rear not the front. SAC ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Chrchlls2@aol.com Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 21:32:11 -0500 To: ericeric@concentric.net cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Used PC-800 price and questions To keep it clean and shiny I use the Honda spray plastic cleaner. If there is alot of dirt like after a wet ride I will rinse it off with a hose but then just spray and buff. Since the motorcycle is small compared to an automobile it takes only a few minutes to do the entire bike. SAC ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JeffHamltn@aol.com Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 23:37:08 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Turning Wheel Rotors The rotors on my PC are scored. When I asked how much it would cost to have them turned, the dealer told me it wasn't possible. To replace them it would cost something like $300. Can anyone confirm that turning the rotors is neither possible nor safe? If it is safe, can anyone offer advice about how to proceed? Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 06:02:44 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: JeffHamltn@aol.com CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Turning Wheel Rotors JeffHamltn@aol.com wrote: > Can anyone confirm that turning the rotors is neither possible > nor safe? If it is safe, can anyone offer advice about how to > proceed? As long as the thickness of the rotor after turning is still within spec (no smaller than 4 mm) there shouldn't be a problem. Finding a shop equipped to do the job is probably the biggest challenge... gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and I can't believe it's Monday already... Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 08:46:38 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Turning Wheel Rotors Hi Jeff: How badly are the rotors scored, and how did they get that way? Some scoring is inevitable and is not really a problem. If the brakes perform ok (normal stopping power and no pulsing), then you can probably just ignore the disk scoring. About all it might do is require a bit longer bed-in for any new pads that you install. If the rotors are really bad, then it may be possible to find a shop with the equipment necessary to clean them up, but your normal machine shop probably wouldn't have it. The disks are very hard (and brittle) and the vent holes complicate the process. Another approach might be to see if one of the aftermarket companies (such as EBC or Kosmann) has replacement disks that will work on the PC. If so, they are usually a lot cheaper than factory parts. A lot of the PC's front end is very similar to the VFR750 (they use the same brake pads, for example); so, if they don't have disks specifically for the PC, the VFR disks may work just fine. A cross check of part numbers might be worth the effort. Good luck, and keep us posted on the outcome. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 08:50:33 -0500 To: garlandMI@msn.com From: harness@vt.edu (Mike Harness) Subject: price Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Your price is not too high. I have a 95 with 6,500 miles. Mine is not for sale because it could not be replaced with an equal for the same money. If it were for sell, I would not take a penny less than $6,000. Mine is in perfect, showroom condition. From previous notes, a new one with 6,500 fewer miles, costs $8,699. That's about $2,699, or 31% of the new price you can pocket, while riding just as well. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vince Santamaria" To: , "Mike Harness" Cc: Subject: Re: price Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 10:14:26 -0500 I heard about a 1990 PC with 6K miles asking $3500. If anyone is interested I will take a look at it and report back with condition. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Robert E. Marks" Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 10:36:44 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: price > I heard about a 1990 PC with 6K miles asking $3500. If anyone is interested > I will take a look at it and report back with condition. Where? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:11:24 -0500 (EST) From: Nick Witzell To: PC800 Subject: price I bought a black 95 with 1200 miles. Honda backrest, shop manual, tall windscreen and in showroom condition. I wanted black, and I paid $6000 for it. I was happy with the deal. I feel if it's what you want and if it's a fair price, buy it. Just like the stock market, someone will always buy lower than you, and if you wait for the lowest price, you may never get to be an owner. Nick ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 12:36:52 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Turning Wheel Rotors A new front wheel is about $300. (Don't ask how I know.) I didn't know that the rotors could be removed. I think the dealer was telling you that you would get a new front wheel. I am pretty sure that the drum in the rear is part of the wheel as well. Am I correct? Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vince Santamaria" To: "Robert E. Marks" , Subject: Re: price Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 13:03:57 -0500 I think it is in Englewood Florida. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 13:12:44 -0500 From: Roger Prince To: GuntherSki@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Turning Wheel Rotors The ufiche shows the front brake rotors with separate part numbers. Getting them might be another story. The ones on my '90 are in pretty good shape after 100K. Roger GuntherSki@aol.com wrote: > > A new front wheel is about $300. (Don't ask how I know.) I didn't know that > the rotors could be removed. I think the dealer was telling you that you > would get a new front wheel. I am pretty sure that the drum in the rear is > part of the wheel as well. > > Am I correct? > > Z > - ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 16:15:33 -0800 From: ERIC MATTHEWS To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Trip Story Sunday, November 10. I’m on the road to our chosen meeting place, a Denny’s in Orange. The day is incredible, even by Southern California standards, with temperatures in the high 80’s and visibility of about 40 miles (usually it’s more like 6-10 miles through the haze.) I roll into the parking lot and scan for other PCs. Nothing, I’m the first to arrive. I find a couple of empty parking spaces. Parking in one, I take up temporary residence in the other. I consider unpacking my inflatable imitation cardboard homeless person shelter and putting it in the other space, but someone else should be along any moment now so I decide to just stand and wait. As cars approach I do my best to look menacing, while thinking "That’s right buddy, just keep rolling, you don’t want any of this. You can see that I’m some kind of tough biker guy. Well OK, you can see that I’m actually some goofball standing in a parking space for no apparent reason, but unless you want to run over me you can’t have the parking space." …They keep moving. Phil is next on the scene, taking the other space and relieving me from my post. He shows me the newest additions to his bike, and I’m amazed that it can still roll with all those accessories ;) Harrison and Harrison arrive next. No that wasn’t an echo, Harrison is Harrison’s son (At least, I think so, unless Harrison found some kid with the same name to hang around with just to confuse people). Uncle Johan arrives. Bringing a little bit of Christmas with him, he hands out gifts to the greedy little PC riders around him. All right, not exactly gifts, we did have to pay for the radios and hats, but it’s the spirit of the thing right? "Enough of this standing around in the parking lot," someone shouts, "Lets eat." "How many?" says the hostess as she eyes us disdainfully with her single steely eye. "Uh," I say, looking at my hands and wondering if I can count my fingers and come up with the same number twice. "Eight?" That sounds like a good number. She rolls her eye and says, "Just a minute, let me ask the manager." What? Did I do something wrong? "Right this way, please." she says when she returns, and leads us to our table. On the way I hear people whispering "Look, it’s that weird guy from the parking lot." I silently pray for boils to infest the sensitive parts of their anatomy. Not to be out done, I have gifts of my own to distribute. I’ve created iron-on transfers for this ride. "See they go on like this." I say pointing to the one I’ve applied somewhat crookedly to my own shirt, and hand them out. "Thanks Eric." they mutter, refusing to look me in the eye, "These are great." We’re going to Forest Falls, about 12 miles east of Redlands CA, about an hour away. Purely by coincidence the transfers say "Forest Falls" too. Other than having to go back and publicly humiliate the "chef" (Right, like this guy comes from the finest restaurants in Paris), breakfast is uneventful. Steve arrives midway through breakfast, pulling me away from the now sobbing little cook and steering me back to the table. On the way out of the restaurant I glance back at the table. Are those little balls of paper under the table my iron-on transfers? Can’t be, they loved those transfers, must be napkins. Heading out to the parking lot, we saddle up and prepare to ride. Johan produces yet another gift, a radio for Steve. "Now we’re all linked telepathically" he says. The ride out to our destination is smooth, highway all the way to Redlands. Passing motorists occasionally see me hitting the side of my head. It’s the voices you know, they won’t go away. They’re making me crazy. Oh wait, that’s just the other guys on the radios. But what about the one that said "I must find a more suitable host body."? Forest Falls is beautiful. Tall pines and a boulder strewn stream bed. Not much in the way of water but you can tell that it gets really wild during the spring runoff. We decide to start hiking up to the falls. Of course none of us has ever been here, so after about fifteen minutes of wandering around aimlessly we decide to ask another hiker if he knows the way to the falls. "Ask him," he says pointing at me, "He’s the one with the Forest Falls shirt on." I hang my head in shame, knowing that I’ll never earn my trailblazing merit badge. We give up and decide to head back to the bikes. On the way back we encounter another group of hikers. "How far to the falls?" they ask. "A couple of miles," I reply "Keep going until you see the snack bar and gift shop. You can get a nifty shirt like this one." Revenge upon the innocent is so rewarding. After taking advantage of a quick photo op, and watching Johan fighting off a huge swarm of lady bugs (They’re not really carnivorous Johan, I was just joking), we hit the road again. It’s such a fantastic day, we decided to head up to Big Bear for lunch. The back way, up highway 38, to Big Bear is awesome. Very little traffic, good road surface, excellent twisties, and beautiful views. The five of us are whispering along through the mountains, comparing information from the various instruments attached to our bikes: temperature; altitude; voltage. I’m not really sure what voltage had to do with the ride, but it was present and accounted for. We’re stopping in Big Bear for lunch at the usual place (does twice count as ‘usual’?), and get the "Oh, you guys again." treatment from the staff, but word must of gone out on the ‘Fry Cook Satellite Network’ about the Denny’s incident, because there is no trouble here. Darkness settles upon Big Bear as we were preparing to ride, and with it the cold. One of the Harrisons, the older one I think, voices a desire to ride up to the bottom of the ski slopes. Interesting idea, after all how many bikes do you see in the parking lot when you go skiing? Not much snow, and mostly man made, but still a novel experience. The skiers look at us with hostility so it’s back to the highway. A little way out of town we are slowed by an accident: an overturned pickup blocking one lane. Good thing he was on the uphill side of the road when it happened. The Sheriff’s Department has the situation in hand and rather rudely declines our offer of assistance. I consider pointing who I am, and the fact that my Bat Cycle could be of great help, but being outside of Gotham also places me outside of my jurisdiction. The ride back through the mountains is cold, and I’m sure the wind chill factor placed the temperature at about 200 degrees below zero. I sure hope something doesn’t happen to us up here, I don’t want to end up like that plane crash in the Andes where everyone turned to cannibalism. Besides, I’ve noticed how Steve is looking at everyone. On the way back down from the summit I hear Harrison (the older one for sure this time), who is riding in position number five, comment "Must be a lot of deer in these mountains, I’m glad you’re riding point Eric, not me. Maybe you can test that acceleration theory if you see one." "Sure Harrison," I reply, "I can use the meat." The remainder of the ride is spent dodging crazed cages, and road debris on the highway. Even that eagle head gargoyle thing on Phil’s fender is frightened, but we make it through intact. Until the next ride my friends… Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Dennis" To: ERIC MATTHEWS Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 18:23:27 +0000 Subject: Re: Trip Story Reply-to: denko@ix.netcom.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Eric sez, in Trip Story . . . . . >> I consider unpacking my inflatable imitation cardboard homeless >> person shelter and putting it in the other space, but someone else >> should be along any moment now Pant, pant, pant . . . . . . Tell me more?? Inquiring minds want to know . . . . . . . Or is that just to see if I am paying attention?? Whaz' dis shelter thingie ?? Dennis ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 18:50:14 -0800 From: ERIC MATTHEWS To: denko@ix.netcom.com CC: ERIC MATTHEWS , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Trip Story Dennis wrote: > > Eric sez, in Trip Story . . . . . > > >> I consider unpacking my inflatable imitation cardboard homeless > >> person shelter and putting it in the other space, but someone else > >> should be along any moment now > > Pant, pant, pant . . . . . . > > Tell me more?? Inquiring minds want to know . . . . . . . Or is that > just to see if I am paying attention?? > > Whaz' dis shelter thingie ?? > > Dennis Looks just like a large cardboard refridgerator box with duct tape on the corners. E. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Smcavin@aol.com Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:38:51 -0500 To: ericeric@concentric.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Trip Story After reading your story I have to ask the age old question.......Who writes this stuff? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: klassc@webspan.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Gas Stabilizer From: rahardy@juno.com (Richard A Hardy) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 21:51:07 EST It's not named "stabilizer", but I can't believe that any auto parts store (or drugstore for that matter) doesn't have a gas stabilizer. I haven't shopped for it since moving from Maine to San Diego, but there used to be several manufacturers. Paul Harvey, the newscaster advertises one brand every day of late - he pronounces it "Stay-bull," which I think is spelled "STABL." Richard Hardy San Diego Aka Neko RAHardy@juno.com I have been to several auto store but >nothing is named, Stabilizer. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: cscales@haywire.csuhayward.edu Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 21:56:16 -0800 (PST) To: Richard A Hardy Cc: klassc@webspan.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Gas Stabilizer stabil On Tue, 19 Nov 1996, Richard A Hardy wrote: > It's not named "stabilizer", but I can't believe that any auto parts > store (or drugstore for that matter) doesn't have a gas stabilizer. I > haven't shopped for it since moving from Maine to San Diego, but there > used to be several manufacturers. Paul Harvey, the newscaster advertises > one brand every day of late - he pronounces it "Stay-bull," which I think > is spelled "STABL." > > Richard Hardy > San Diego > Aka Neko > RAHardy@juno.com > > I have been to several auto store but > >nothing is named, Stabilizer. > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:12:01 -0500 From: Bill McKenna To: st1100@st1100.com CC: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu, pc800 newsletter , mike@corbin.com Subject: A Perfect Corbin Karen's Corbin came for her '95 PC today. 1 0 0 % Perfect in EVERY detail!!!!!!. 5 minute install. 6 bolts... E X A C T L Y 3 weeks from date of order. Black basket weave w/ red piping. Assembled by **HUGO** {Give him a raise, Mike.} Thanks to Mike & The Gang!! Regards to All, Bill A funny thing about life: If you expect only the best, you very often get it... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PILEWIS1@concentric.net Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 05:52:57 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: New E-mail Address To all my good friends, and then to those who really know me, I've changed e-mail addresses. (pilewis1@concentric.net) AOL now has over 7 million subscribers, and almost as many busy signals, so........ I've jumped ship. Concentric should fit the bill! Johan and I are off to Comdex, today, from Orange (So. Cal.) to Las Vegas in what may be a rainy ride. To all of you on riding in the rain suggestions, thanks ahead of time. Ride safe and Prosper (is that the right quote?) :-) Phil Lewis ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:59:11 -0500 From: Roger Prince To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New E-mail Address > Ride safe and Prosper (is that the right quote?) :-) > > Phil Lewis It's a good one. After achieving those only more good things should follow, right? Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:38:58 -0500 To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Toy's for Tots Ride Hi All, I would like to announce the (probably) last ride of the season, and the Year End Meeting of the Northern IL HSTA group. The Marines are having their annual Toy's for Tots Motorcycle Parade on Sunday, Dec. 1st. The groups are to start gathering at apx. 9AM at 87th and Western (2400 W) The ride starts at 10AM. It heads North on Western to Foster (5200 N). The ride then makes a right on Foster to Troy (apx 3000 W). The only "charge" is that you bring a NEW and UNWRAPPED toy. After the ride, I propose we meet at a local spot called Tre Kronor. They are a Scandanavian restaurant which is open for Brunch. I said we may have 30+ people and they said that would be OK. Tre Kronor is at 3258 W. Foster so it's just down the street from the end of the ride. At the restaurant we can lie , and talk about next years events. If the weather is REALLY BAD, we can still meet at the restaurant. Please e-mail me privately if you plan on going or if there is anything else you would like to share. I think it will be fun and it's for a good cause. I look forward to hearing from you. Todd "Z" Zedak Chicago ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 02:12:01 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: Alex Moreano , "alfred!rasorl!ras@osceola.cs.ucf.edu" , Barre Bull , "BillyLaw@aol.com" , "Carol J. Stein" <100261.2254@compuserve.com>, David Funderburk , "David L. Burka" <72030.1532@compuserve.com>, epgross , Eric Matthews , James Gentry , "Jeffrey C. Burka" , "KScott2784@aol.com" , Leanna , "M. Oxford" , "Ozzz1@aol.com" , Pat and Robin Gallo , pc800 , "Pleides@aol.com" , PowerMax , Randy , "rasorl!ras@alfred.UUCP" , "Ricnichols@aol.com" , "songdoc@micronet.net" , Steve Gross , Todd Beals , Wanda Bailie , wetleather , "WileEDude@aol.com" Subject: snow days well.. when the city stops because of snow, and there's new software on the computer...might as well make some NEW WWW PAGES!!! lost of new photos, new links, new graphics and stuff. have fun. Just wait a little while for the Shockwave/Midi files stuff.. AND...be sure to follow the GLENN SOUND link...it's all new and groovy too!!!! (Special thanks to our buddy Randy N...) dave http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 17:29:22 -0500 (EST) From: Nick Witzell To: PC800 Subject: Widder Gloves I have been using a pair for 2 weeks now. My impressions follow. They took some getting used to, about 2-3 hours, due to their bulk. In 40f temps and at freeway speeds I would need to turn them off on occasion. In 30f temps and as above, full on was ok. I have cold hands so others will have a different feeling of warmth. The size runs larger, as the sales pitch states. The interconnect harness failed almost instantly. It was poorly assembled. It is easily fixed, no big deal, but still an aggravation. I feel the connectors are better than the ones used on the Eclipse electric gear. If you forget to unplug they pull apart without tearing or dropping your bike. A BMW friend did that with an Eclipse vest. I want to install a BMW type socket to plug into. I have the socket with a flip up lid, what is the Honda part that I need to buy to plug into the spare power harness location? I haven't seen it, but it is on the schematic diagram. still written by the 15/50 mind, Nick ps I luv this bike Does anyone own more than one pc? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ChrisTUBA@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 22:07:42 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Thank you for the graphics... To all of you great people out here, Thank you so much for replying in force to my request for a good PC graphic woith which to use with IBM applications (Word, Ami Pro, etc.) Several people just attached a file, others offered to scan items and so on. You're all wonderful. Thanks again. Chris Russell 1996 PC800T, 5500 miles, waiting for summer by teaching here in the Domincian Republic, without the motorcycle. You can't have all things in life... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 01:13:01 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fwd: Review: My new 'lectric vest.... Widder style In a message dated 96-11-21 01:12:44 EST, GuntherSki writes: << After John's story I felt compelled to share my own tale... I left Chicago for Baraboo, WI (NW of Madison) and then Manitowoc. Air temp (25 degrees). However, no moisture. Bundled to the gills, no electric gear. Make it the 200+ miles to Baraboo. Doable but chilled Air temp (30 degrees) After 4 hout stop at a ski instructor clinic on to Manitowoc, another 2+ hours away, temp dropping. I can make it and for the ride back to Chicago later on in the week, temps should be in the mid to upper 40's. Doesn't get above 30 all week. I bought Hot Grips, Widder vest and chaps, plus some other misc. witing for cigar lighter was well as radar detector, 100 watt headlight..... $500 later I was toasty warm for the ride back, wearing MANY fewer layers. Grips work OK but really need shielding from the wind. Vest works very well. Chaps don't do anything for the BACK of the legs but perhaps I only notice because the fronts are so warm. On the way out I had union suit, jeans, 'Stich pants, turtle neck, t-shirt, sweatshirt, Darien jacket w/ fleece and inner helemt Baclava thingy. Trip back, union suit, chaps, 'Stich pants, turtleneck, vest, jacket. If you are going to ride when it's below 35, there is almost no way to bundle up enough, you need the electric to extend the riding season. My .02. Z >> --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: Review: My new 'lectric vest.... Widder style ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 96-11-21 01:12:44 EST From: GuntherSki To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu After John's story I felt compelled to share my own tale... I left Chicago for Baraboo, WI (NW of Madison) and then Manitowoc. Air temp (25 degrees). However, no moisture. Bundled to the gills, no electric gear. Make it the 200+ miles to Baraboo. Doable but chilled Air temp (30 degrees) After 4 hout stop at a ski instructor clinic on to Manitowoc, another 2+ hours away, temp dropping. I can make it and for the ride back to Chicago later on in the week, temps should be in the mid to upper 40's. Doesn't get above 30 all week. I bought Hot Grips, Widder vest and chaps, plus some other misc. witing for cigar lighter was well as radar detector, 100 watt headlight..... $500 later I was toasty warm for the ride back, wearing MANY fewer layers. Grips work OK but really need shielding from the wind. Vest works very well. Chaps don't do anything for the BACK of the legs but perhaps I only notice because the fronts are so warm. On the way out I had union suit, jeans, 'Stich pants, turtle neck, t-shirt, sweatshirt, Darien jacket w/ fleece and inner helemt Baclava thingy. Trip back, union suit, chaps, 'Stich pants, turtleneck, vest, jacket. If you are going to ride when it's below 35, there is almost no way to bundle up enough, you need the electric to extend the riding season. My .02. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 20 Nov 96 23:34 PST From: julie@anthro.com (julie pipkin) ANTHRO: POWDER TEAM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: For Sale A friend of mine is selling his PC. I offered to post an ad here for him since he does not have access to the internet. Please respond directly to him if interested. Thanks FOR SALE 1989 Pacific Coast 25,000 miles Factory Kenwood AM/FM radio Interior trunk lights Passenger back rest Front fender mudflap Heated grips Throttle lock Tall windshield Contact Jim Fisher Canby, OR (503)266-3945 -- ********************************************************** Julie Pipkin E-mail (julie@anthro.com) Anthro Corp. Web (www.anthro.com) 10450 SW Manhasset Dr. Phone (503)691-2556 Tualatin, OR 97062 Fax (503)691-2409 ********************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 21 Nov 96 14:52 PST From: julie@anthro.com (julie pipkin) ANTHRO: POWDER TEAM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: (Fwd) For Sale --- Forwarded mail from ("julie pipkin") ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "julie pipkin" Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 23:34:10 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: For Sale I apologize for neglecting to include one SLIGHTLY important piece of information. A friend of mine is selling his PC. I offered to post an ad here for him since he does not have access to the internet. Please respond directly to him if interested. Thanks FOR SALE 1989 Pacific Coast 25,000 miles Factory Kenwood AM/FM radio Interior trunk lights Passenger back rest Front fender mudflap Heated grips Throttle lock Tall windshield $4,250 Contact Jim Fisher Canby, OR (503)266-3945 -- ********************************************************** Julie Pipkin E-mail (julie@anthro.com) Anthro Corp. Web (www.anthro.com) 10450 SW Manhasset Dr. Phone (503)691-2556 Tualatin, OR 97062 Fax (503)691-2409 ********************************************************** --- End of forwarded mail from ("julie pipkin") -- ********************************************************** Julie Pipkin E-mail (julie@anthro.com) Anthro Corp. Web (www.anthro.com) 10450 SW Manhasset Dr. Phone (503)691-2556 Tualatin, OR 97062 Fax (503)691-2409 ********************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mskrocki@meldrum.com Date: Fri, 22 Nov 96 09:17:20 est To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Travel Planning? Hi all, in traveling through the internet, I found an interesting tool for travel planning. Mapquest: www.mapquest.com is an interactive atlas that allows you to find specific locations (address specific if required), and can do route planning between destinations (it can even give door-to-door directions between major US municipalities). It also includes specific roads by route number and distances traveled between route changes and state lines as well as total trip mileage for the route shown. So take a look if you get a chance and start planning next years excursions, I know I am. Enjoy the ride. Mark Mark & Sandra Skrocki Shaker Hts., OH mskrocki@meldrum.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 18:34:28 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: First Gear Kilimanjaro Jacket While at my Honda dealer today, the distributor for First Gear was there and asked how I liked my Kilimanjaro leathers. After I spouted off all of its' virtues, he told me that it was discontinued in favor of a synthetic suit wearing the same name (someone had mentioned this new suit to the list a few weeks ago, I've since forgotten who). I was crushed. IMHO this jacket (and matching pants) are superb. I think I'm about to go electric (gloves, that is). Rode to work today and on the way in I had to do my throttle hand "finger exercises" for the last couple of miles to help circulation. (11 mile ride @ 18 degrees) Even people who know I'm a bit "touched" found it hard to believe that I rode this morning... gk -- ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and I'm not done riding (snow Gods permitting) Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Norskar@aol.com Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 06:05:54 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Winter As it's colder than a witch's broomstick and my last ride on my '95 PC left me with a severe cold, I will be putting the stealthbike in storage until springtime. But, thinking back to this time last year, I wonder if anyone can offer instruction on exactly how to drain all gas from my carberator (or how to spell the word)? At the risk of ridicule, I'll tell you that what I did last year was start the bike and run all the gas out of it. This year I'm hoping to not have to resort to that. Thanks in advance. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 08:41:30 -0500 To: BMcKenna@mint.net, st1100@st1100.com cc: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, mike@corbin.com Subject: Re: A Perfect Corbin In a message dated 96-11-20 08:13:15 EST, BMcKenna@mint.net (Bill McKenna) writes: << Karen's Corbin came for her '95 PC today. 1 0 0 % Perfect in EVERY detail!!!!!!. 5 minute install. 6 bolts... E X A C T L Y 3 weeks from date of order. >> Boy were you lucky. I had a 2 hour install on the Corbin for my wife's '95 and it still is tight in the sidecover area. Makes you think twice before removing a side cover -- takes as much as 10-15 minutes to get it back on. Maybe they've changed the seat base mold since August... Sat, 23 Nov 1996 11:56:57 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 14:59:28 -0500 From: Harry Kellam To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Looking for good used Honda PC 800 90 to 94 red under 10,000miles under $4500. Harry Kellam hmkvbw@rica.net ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 22:50:14 -0800 (PST) From: Johan Lai To: PC800 Mail List Subject: PC Mods Well, Christmas started early for me this year because my PC has undergone tremendous refitting lately and I thought I'd share them w/ you all. First thing I did was install the Kenwood radio that I bought. First from the salvage yard, then from a local dealer. The story is, after receiving the salvage radio (which I paid $400 for), I realized it didn't have an antenna. BTW, thanks Mike for sending a copy of the manual! So I went to the local dealer to order one and lo and behold, they had one of the last ones still brand new in a box for $350! Doooh! Minus a speaker, but I was going to replace them anyways. I picked up some 20W speakers for $12 (a discontinued model). Stock speakers are 10W but the amp is 20W per channel (someone couldn't add I guess). So I snatched the new radio up knowing that someone would want the salvage radio. Steve Schiboula took it off my hands in a heartbeat. Hope he was successful w/ his transplant. I tell you, it's scary drilling holes into my baby. Since it was custom painted, mistakes were not an option (taking a line from Apollo 13). Next I saw a CD changer on sale at a local electronics store, a 6 disk changer for $200. Couldn't pass that one up so I picked it up and popped it in the trunk. I bought a $1.25 cigarette lighter plug and attached it to the power leads so I can plug it into the sockets I mounted in my trunk two years ago. Since its input to the radio is via the antenna leads (88.7 FM), I could remove the whole thing quickly and move it to my car. Instead of bolting it to the trunk, I just put pillows around the unit. Works like a charm. No skips unless I hit a really nasty bump. But my shopping spree wasn't over yet. I saw the Givi trunk on Dana's bike and just loved it. And I wanted to have extra space for my impending trip to COMDEX (a trade show) in Las Vegas. It was a bear to get the four bolts back on the passenger seat but I managed w/ my wife's help. I think it was because the Corbin is a little wider than the stock seat. I'd put the bolts in on one side and the bolts on the other side won't reach the holes :( But after that, the rest was cake walk. Having the extra space in the back reduces the need to lift the clamshell to stow helmets and stuff. And it looks great! Detaches in a snap to become your suitcase. Total damage came to $314 w/ their backrest option. I had to remove the Hondaline backrest and bracket because there's no room. But I realized that the velcro tab on the Corbin that covers the hole on the back (for Corbin's backrest) can attach to the back flap of the Hondaline backrest (w/o the brackets of course) to just hold it in place for a comfortable "Lazyboy-like" ride for my wife. That was a bonus :) Oh, I almost forgot, I changed out my rear turn signals like Phil Lewis has suggested a while back so now I have outboard running lights. One tip that I would add to Phil's handywork is to leave the rubber grommet off before putting it back in the socket. The light assembly will slip into the socket a lot easier w/o the grommet. See the archives for a complete description of Phil's handy-dandy running lights. Juan is sending me air horns in exchange for sweatshirts. I can't wait to start getting noticed on the freeways! Next on my wish list will be hazard lights. I haven't decided how I'm going to do this yet. I also picked up wood samples from the outfit in Florida who does the custom dashboards. They sent me four kinds of wood; teak, S. American rosewood, E. Indian rosewood, & elm burl (like the stuff w/ the swirls on Lexus'). I'm not sure if I like the look yet. Plus, the complete 20 piece set is $500. You could buy fewer pieces, but I think it'll still run into the $200-$300 neighborhood. The company was nice enough to send me a color photo (real Kodak paper) and it does look very classy. But a classic look on a PC...I have to sleep on it a bit. I'll have Phil or Eric scan the picture if anyone wants to know what it looks like. Email me and I'll send it to you after it gets scaned. If there are too many requests, I'll have either Neill or Gerard put it up on the PC web pages. Two years on my PC w/ no mods and boom! I did it all within a month. Now I'd never sell my PC. Of course, unless someone offered me $25,000, which BTW, some pedestrians thought our bikes were worth during one of our rides :) Cheers, Johan Lai Orange, CA '89 "Cassandra" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 16:01:33 -0600 From: carol ann decelle-meek To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: GIVI monorack etc. At this time I planning to purchase a GIVI monorack, plate, and the Maxia E50NM case. Before doing so, I will appreciate any information from any of you who have purchased the basic package for the PC800. I would like to see pictures of the package installed on a PC800. I would also like to have the dimensions of the plate, in the event I should decide not to use the Maxia E50NM case from time to time. How much weight can the rack and plate accommodate? Whoever elects to answer this requests please answer all of my questions. Any pictures can be mailed to: Rick and Carol Meek 1510 Tidewater Drive Monroe, LA 71203 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 16:11:57 -0600 From: carol ann decelle-meek To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Tank Bag (PC800) Has anyone out there installed a tank bag on their PC? I would like to know of your selection (manufacturer and model) and if you are satisfied with your choice. Would you purchase the same again or would you choose another brand? How is the Magnetic Bag installed on the PC? Does the bag stay in place without any sliding or other movement? Is there a convenient locking technique which will discourage and or make it a little difficult to remove it should a greedy person put an eyeball on it? If you have experience in this area of my interest and choose to answer my questions please include the cost of the items. r&cmeek@bayou.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: carol ann decelle-meek Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: GIVI monorack etc. From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 24 Nov 1996 16:21:38 -0600 Lines: 19 >>>>> "cad" == carol ann decelle-meek writes: cad> I would like to see pictures of the package installed on a PC800. You can FTP some from ftp.hpc.uh.edu:/pub/pc800/images/givi/. cad> Whoever elects to answer this requests please answer all of my cad> questions. Uh, sorry. Should I not have answered because I don't know all of the answers? cad> Any pictures can be mailed to: Ahem. Just trying to help, but it feels like I'm dealing with a lawyer. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: carol ann decelle-meek Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Tank Bag (PC800) From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 24 Nov 1996 16:53:05 -0600 Lines: 36 >>>>> "cad" == carol ann decelle-meek writes: cad> Has anyone out there installed a tank bag on their PC? Plenty of people. Some bags have trouble because of all of the plastic; three-strap bags seem to work best. Try searching for tank bag in the archives for a bunch of useful messages. cad> I would like to know of your selection (manufacturer and model) and if cad> you are satisfied with your choice. Would you purchase the same again cad> or would you choose another brand? I just bought the generic Tour Master expandable 3 strap bag and spent several hours modifying it to take my CD player and wiring harness. It cost about $80. cad> How is the Magnetic Bag installed on the PC? Well, it would have to have some ferrous metal to adhere to, and there doesn't happen to be any on the exterior of the PC. Someone glued magnets to the inside of the top shelter on his bike once; his message is back in the archives. cad> Does the bag stay in place without any sliding or other movement? Well, unless you do something special the bag doesn't stay at all. cad> Is there a convenient locking technique which will discourage and or cad> make it a little difficult to remove it should a greedy person put an cad> eyeball on it? The idea behind magnetic bags is that they don't lock at all; you take them with you. Any bag can be removed by someone with a sharp knife in a few seconds anyway, so the rule is not to leave your bag on unattended. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 20:37:07 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Mica Landry Subject: Replacement seat We are looking for a second PC for our sons to ride. Found one about 150 miles away-- an 89 white with damage from being knocked over in a parking lot (haven't seen it yet;will try to get there this week). The current owner states that it also has a tear in the seat "that would have to be dealt with". It has 27000 miles on it and he is asking $3950 for it. The guy seems pretty firm about the price. I greatly esteem your opinions and would like to hear them. Thanks! Mica ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: r&cmeek@bayou.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Tank Bag (PC800) From: rogerprince@juno.com (Roger F Prince) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 23:18:21 EST Yes, Eclipse Sportpack. Expandable, three-point mounting. It is 15" long and fills the available front-rear space. If I changed I would look for a bag about 13" long. RKA as well as many others make some good bags. Roger ##################################################### *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman FRANKLIN, MA ##################################################### On Sun, 24 Nov 1996 16:11:57 -0600 carol ann decelle-meek writes: >Has anyone out there installed a tank bag on their PC? >I would like to know of your selection (manufacturer and model) >and if you are satisfied with your choice. Would you purchase >the same again or would you choose another brand? > >How is the Magnetic Bag installed on the PC? Does the bag stay in >place without any sliding or other movement? Is there a convenient >locking technique which will discourage and or make it a little >difficult to remove it should a greedy person put an eyeball on it? > >If you have experience in this area of my interest and choose to >answer my questions please include the cost of the items. > >r&cmeek@bayou.com >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: r&cmeek@bayou.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: GIVI monorack etc. From: rogerprince@juno.com (Roger F Prince) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 23:18:21 EST The pieces you refer to are, I assume, from the Givi catalog. The PC hardware is not shown in the catalog. In Sept the hardware was $71.00 and the Maxia $183. The "plate' is about 12"x12" and even with a couple bosses sticking up makes makes a good luggage rack. It's black and good looking. I've run about 25lbs box wt but only for about 1500mi. I'm not sure what the long term consequences of that much weight will be. You can download some photos as suggested by Jason in other posts. ##################################################### *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman FRANKLIN, MA ##################################################### On Sun, 24 Nov 1996 16:01:33 -0600 carol ann decelle-meek writes: >At this time I planning to purchase a GIVI monorack, plate, and the >Maxia E50NM case. Before doing so, I will appreciate any information >from any of you who have purchased the basic package for the PC800. >I would like to see pictures of the package installed on a PC800. >I would also like to have the dimensions of the plate, in the event >I should decide not to use the Maxia E50NM case from time to time. >How much weight can the rack and plate accommodate? >Whoever elects to answer this requests please answer all of my >questions. > >Any pictures can be mailed to: > >Rick and Carol Meek >1510 Tidewater Drive >Monroe, LA 71203 >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of >a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PILEWIS1@concentric.net Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 17:35:39 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: "TO COMDEX" On our PC-800's to see PC-Pentiums (and a whole lot more!) WARNING-THIS E-MAIL IS VERY LONG AND CONTAINS SPELLING AND GRAMMATICAL ERRORS!! I just got back late, after 5 days, from New York, and now I'm off to Las Vegas and Comdex! I think my wife suspects insanity when I say, "I'm just gonna take a little ride to Vegas" (about 5 or 6 hours north of Orange, California)! Johan and I are about to embark on the longest ride we've ever taken on our PC's (I know, it's nothing compared to the traveling some of Y'all do!! :-)) Unfortunately, the weather is not typical "Sunny Southern California" but more on the order of "Storms are on the Way" type of Southern California. I'm supposed to be over to Johan's house at about 3:15pm on Wednesday (I think today is November 20th, but then my days, weeks and months, all tend to run together, sometimes!!) and as usual, I'm running late, and arrive around a quarter to 4:00, and I've not had time to really prepare for this ride. You see, I've always been a sorta fair weather biker, unlike you hardy types in the really cold and wet climates. So here I am, with just a ski Jacket and some gloves and a lot of optimism on how great the weather will be!! ("Me ride in the rain and cold, never happen!") So, after Johan outfits me with some waterproof outer gear, yellow-rubber pants and coat, we take to the highway in search of adventure, beautiful scenery, and the latest in computer gadgets! Our ride will take us from Orange, CA., up the 91 freeway through Corona, the 15 freeway through Ontario, and then straight up over the Cajon Pass, through Barstow, Calfornia, to our stop for the night at State Line Nevada. We hit the freeway at about 4:15 or so, and join the mulitude of commuters on their way home from..... well, you get the idea. We each have a small radio transponder, which allows us to ride in the special commuter "toll" lane as we head up toward Corona, California. In case you're not familiar, a lot of Californian's commute several hours each way to work, from the Riverside area, to the L.A. or Orange county area, and back, every day. In some cases, some commuters spend 5, 6, or even 8 hours on the road everyday, just to be able to live here. I know that may seem hard to believe, but.... what can I say,? Anyway, I've promised Johan good weather, ordered special on "INTELLICAST" "http://www.intellicast.com/weather/usa/!" (I'm really not anxious to try out my rain protective gear!!) The first part of our journey is great. The weather, although cool, is still pretty nice. The traffic is a little heavy, but we sail through the carpool lane with nary a problem. One note of interest. In this particular carpool lane, motorcycles ride for free; however, they are still required to have a transponder in their possession, to ride in this lane. I haven't done this before, but it will be interesting to see if I get charged anyway. So, as we dodge cagers, and work our way up through the Riverside, Ontario area, Johan and I both notice a pungent odor in the air. We look at each other wondering what each one had for lunch, when we spot the real culprit, acres and acres of cattle. For any of you who haven't encountered this phenonmenon, count your blessings; for the rest, my sympathies. Well, we get by this area, breathing as little as possible, and up we head through the Cajon Pass, the mountain pass separating the greater Los Angeles basin from the high desert (Edwards Air Force Base, Barstow, Mojave, etc.). So far, the weather is holding pretty clear, but it is rather cold. Johan has a full body riding suit and is doing O.K., but my ski jacket and gloves are barely adequate in this 45 degree or so weather. But, I manage to not freeze to death by the summit, and as we descend into the desert area, the temperature warms up considerably. >From here on in, it's really a beautiful ride; almost warm and clear and fairly light traffic. After a quick dinner at the Denny's in Barstow, we head on up to Stateline, Nevada, the first place to gamble before getting to Las Vegas. Because of Comdex, no rooms are available in Las Vegas, so we spend the night in Stateline. For those of you planning a Las Vegas trip, Stateline has 3 casino like hotels, is a lot less expensive then Las Vegas, and is only 40 miles south; an economical alternative to staying in Las Vegas Proper. So, it's Thursday morning, and until now, I've done pretty well on my promise of good weather, and Johan was somewhat impressed, but this morning, when I get up, I see that it's raining like crazy. I tell Johan, "Don't worry, clear skies are ordered for our departure from the hotel!" "Sure," he says!! But true to my word, after we have breakfast (would you believe .95 cents for 3 eggs, hash browns and toast?) it's stopped raining, and we ride into Vegas on mostly dry streets (and HEAVY traffic)! On the way from Stateline to Vegas, Johan takes my picture while he is riding in the left lane of our two lane, in each direction, road. I say, "hand me your camera and I'll get your picture." (It's great having radio communication on a ride!!) After exchanging the camera in a death defying feat, worthy of any "Evil Kanievel" stunt, (actually, we pull off on the side of the road and stop!!) I pull over in the left lane and get his picture while going about 50 mph. It was a pretty morning and we'll send those pictures in if suitable for framing. :-) We have a great day, (to be covered at a different time for those of you who are gadget freaks!!) except for the on again and off again rain showers. But by about 4:30pm or so, when we are thinking of leaving, it's raining like crazy again, and doesn't show any sign of stopping! "Well?" Johan says, of course implying that my weather controlling powers are pure BUNK! I reply, "Don't worry, when it's time for us to leave, the rain will be gone!!" (Of course, my laptop is at home, and now I have no way to connect with the weather Gods!! But I'll never admit to failure!) We decide to try out our indoor skydiving on "FLYAWAY!" The indoor vertical wind tunnel you may have seen on tv or some movies. That was a blast, but more on that in a different report. After almost 2 hours later, it's still raining buckets, and I get that look again!! I say, "Hey, it's dinner time! The rain will be gone after dinner!" Actually, I promised that the rain would be gone by 5:oopm, and here it is after 6:00pm; so my only hope is to STALL!! Well, dinner is over, we step out the door, and, guess what, the rain is gone!! After my usual boasting (What, me humble!) we head over to the bikes to start out return trip. But now, it's after 8:00pm, and we won't be getting home until 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning. Oh well, at least the rain has stopped; but it was a cold front that passed through, so now it's a bit on the chilly side! Johan has his body suit, but I have to improvise. So.......... it's two shirts, a sweater, my ski jacket, and then the rubbler yellow suit on top of all else. I'm so stiff, I can hardly get on the bike, but I am warm (and, if it should rain.... well, we won't think about that!!) We head down the STRIP, wondering how the casinos could ever possibly support what must be a huge electric bill, and then on to the freeway south and towards home. The weather turns out to be cold and blustery, but at least no rain. We stop at Stateline again, for gas and a short break (I drank too much water at dinner!) and off we go again. Well, the word blustery, is really an understatement! We're getting hit by at least 30 mile per hour crosswinds, that make it hard to stay in one lane. To those of you who have been in these conditions, I'm sure you can appreciate it. I have to say, though, that the PC handled very well! At one point, the wind was so strong, and steady, that we were leaning consideralbly to the left, while riding in a straight line, and although it felt strange to be in that position, the bike was stable and gave no indication that it was going to fly out from under us. Basically, these were the conditions we had all the way down to Barstow, except for the air temp actually warming up a bit. We stopped at Denny's in Barstow again (yep, same one! Why quit, when we had a winner last time!!). A little hot cocoa, pie, and a fresh tank of gas ("Does your hot chocolate come in ethyl and regular grades?") and we have only one more leg of our journey left. The moon is now shining, almost full, the clouds have all but dissappeared, and even the wind seems to have died down a lot. My weather control has been almost perfect so far, and we only have about an hour and a half to go, as we plan to cross the Cajon Pass in the southbound direction. Well............ It's at this point that I fail miserably. Johan, will never trust me again. We start approaching clouds, dead ahead, as we start rising up into the pass. The wind picks up again to gale forces, and now the rain starts. To top it off, what was cloud, is now fog, as we ascend to over 5,000 ft in the pass. I'm in the lead (I think this is punishment for my failing weather control!!) and we continue, for continue we must, because.......... onward and upward we go, getting soaked, and cold, and trying to stay upright, in the wind gusts. The never failing PC's, prove to be strong steeds and we make it over the pass (our speed sometimes less than 15 to 20 miles per hour in the fog) and down into the Ontario/Riverside basin. Once there, the winds are practically gone, there are now street lights on many parts of the freeway, and even the rain abates a little, although it never really leaves. So, through on again, off again rain, we finally ride off into the sunset (which was about 7 or 8 hours ago!), Johan to his ranch, and me and "Trigger" to.................................. Phil ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PILEWIS1@concentric.net Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 21:56:41 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: TO COMDEX-UPDATED!! My apologies, the rough draft was previously sent out by mistake!! Please destroy in favor of this corrected e-mail! (I know it still has errors, by I tried!!) WARNING-THIS E-MAIL IS VERY LONG AND CONTAINS SPELLING AND GRAMMATICAL ERRORS!! READ AT YOUR OWN RISK!! I just got back late, after 5 days, from New York, and now I'm off to Las Vegas and Comdex! I think my wife suspects insanity when I say, "I'm just gonna take a little ride to Vegas" (about 5 or 6 hours north of Orange, California)! Johan and I are about to embark on the longest ride we've ever taken on our PC's (I know, it's nothing compared to the traveling some of Y'all do!! :-)) Unfortunately, the weather is not typical "Sunny Southern California" but more on the order of "Storms are on the Way" type of Southern California. I'm supposed to be over to Johan's house at about 3:15pm on Wednesday (I think today is November 20th, but then my days, weeks and months, all tend to run together, sometimes!!) and as usual, I'm running late, and arrive around a quarter to 4:00, and I've not had time to really prepare for this ride. You see, I've always been a sorta fair weather biker, unlike you hardy types in the really cold and wet climates. So here I am, with just a ski Jacket and some gloves and a lot of optimism on how great the weather will be!! ("Me ride in the rain and cold, never happen!") So, after Johan outfits me with some waterproof outer gear, yellow rubber pants and coat, we take to the highway in search of adventure, beautiful scenery, and the latest in computer gadgets! Our ride will take us from Orange, CA., up the 91 freeway through Corona, the 15 freeway through Ontario, and then straight up over the Cajon Pass, through Barstow, Calfornia, to our stop for the night at State Line Nevada. We hit the freeway at about 4:15pm or so, and join the mulitude of commuters on their way home from..... well, you get the idea. We each have a small radio transponder, which allows us to ride in the special commuter "toll" lane as we head up toward Corona, California. In case you're not familiar, a lot of Californian's commute several hours each way to work, from the Riverside area, to the L.A. or Orange county area, and back, every day. In some cases, some commuters spend 5, 6, or even 8 hours on the road everyday, just to be able to live here. I know that may seem hard to believe, but.... what can I say? Anyway, I've promised Johan good weather, ordered special on "INTELLICAST" "http://www.intellicast.com/weather/usa/!" (I'm really not anxious to try out my rain protective gear!!) The first part of our journey is great. The weather, although cool, is still pretty nice. The traffic is a little heavy, but we sail through the carpool lane with nary a problem. One note of interest. In this particular carpool lane, motorcycles ride for free; however, they are still required to have a transponder in their possession, to ride in this lane. I haven't done this before, but it will be interesting to see if I get charged anyway. So, as we dodge cagers, and work our way up through the Riverside, Ontario area, Johan and I both notice a pungent odor in the air. We look at each other wondering what each one had for lunch, when we spot the real culprit, acres and acres of cattle. For any of you who haven't encountered this phenonmenon, count your blessings; for the rest, my sympathies. Well, we get by this area, breathing as little as possible, and up we head through the Cajon Pass; the mountain pass separating the greater Los Angeles basin from the high desert (Edwards Air Force Base, Barstow, Mojave, etc.). So far, the weather is holding pretty clear, but it is rather cold. Johan has a full body riding suit and is doing O.K., but my ski jacket and gloves are barely adequate in this 45 degree or so weather. But, I manage to not freeze to death by the summit, and as we descend into the desert area, the temperature warms up considerably. From here on in, it's really a beautiful ride; almost warm and clear and fairly light traffic. After a quick dinner at the Denny's in Barstow, we head on up to Stateline, Nevada, the first place to gamble before getting to Las Vegas. Because of Comdex, no rooms are available in Las Vegas, so we spend the night in Stateline. For those of you planning a Las Vegas trip, Stateline has 3 casino like hotels, is a lot less expensive then Las Vegas, and is only 40 miles south; an economical alternative to staying in Las Vegas Proper. So, it's Thursday morning, and until now, I've done pretty well on my promise of good weather, and Johan was somewhat impressed, but this morning, when I get up, I see that it's raining like crazy. I tell Johan, "Don't worry, clear skies are ordered for our departure from the hotel!" "Sure," he says!! But true to my word, after we have breakfast (would you believe .95 cents for 3 eggs, hash browns and toast?) it's stopped raining, and we ride into Vegas on mostly dry streets (and HEAVY traffic)! On the way from Stateline to Vegas, Johan takes my picture while he is riding in the left lane of our two lane, in each direction, road. I say, "hand me your camera and I'll get your picture." (It's great having radio communication on a ride!! We each have Maxon 49mhz transceivers.) After exchanging the camera in a death defying feat, worthy of any "Evil Knievel" stunt, (actually, we pull off on the side of the road and stop!!) I pull over in the left lane and get his picture while going about 50 mph. It was a pretty morning and we'll send those pictures in if suitable for framing. :-) We have a great day, (to be covered at a different time for those of you who are gadget freaks!!) except for the on again and off again rainshowers. But by about 4:30pm or so, when we are thinking of leaving, it's raining buckets again, and doesn't show any sign of stopping! "Well?" Johan says, of course implying that my weather controlling powers are pure BUNK! I reply, "Don't worry, when it's time for us to leave, the rain will be gone!!" (Of course, my laptop is at home, and now I have no way to connect with the weather Gods!! But I'll never admit to failure!) We decide to try out our indoor skydiving on "FLYAWAY!" The indoor vertical wind tunnel you may have seen on tv or some movies. That was a blast, but more on that in a different report. After almost 2 hours later, it's still raining buckets, and I get that look again!! I say, "Hey, it's dinner time! The rain will be gone after dinner!" Actually, I promised that the rain would be gone by 5:00pm, and here it is after 6:00pm; so my only hope is to STALL!! Well, dinner is over, we step out the door, and, guess what, the rain IS gone!! After my usual boasting (What, me humble!) we head over to the bikes to start out on the return trip. But now, it's after 8:00pm, and we won't be getting home until 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning. Oh well, at least the rain has stopped; but it was a cold front that passed through, so now it's a bit on the chilly side! Johan has his body suit, but I have to improvise. So.......... it's two shirts, a sweater, my ski jacket, and then the rubber yellow suit on top of all else. I'm so stiff, I can hardly get on the bike, but I am warm (and, if it should rain.... well, we won't think about that!!) We head down the STRIP, wondering how the casinos could ever possibly support what must be a huge electric bill, and then on to the freeway south and towards home. The weather turns out to be cold and blustery, but at least no rain. We stop at Stateline again, for gas and a shortbreak (I drank too much water at dinner!) and off we go again. Well, the word blustery, is really an understatement! We're getting hit by at least 30 mile per hour crosswinds, that make it hard to stay in one lane. To those of you who have been in these conditions, I'm sure you can appreciate it. I have to say, though, that the PC handled very well! At one point, the wind was so strong, and steady, that we were leaning considerably to the left, while riding in a straight line, and although it felt strange to be in that position, the bike was stable and gave no indication that it was going to fly out from under us. Basically, these were the conditions we had all the way down to Barstow, except for the air temp that seemed to be actually warming up a bit. We stopped at Denny's in Barstow again (yep, same one! Why quit, when we had a winner last time!!). A little hot cocoa, pie, and a fresh tank of gas ("Does your hot chocolate come in ethyl and regular grades?") and we have only one more leg of our journey left. The moon is now shining, almost full, the clouds have all but dissappeared, and even the wind seems to have died down a lot. My weather control has been almost perfect so far, and we only have about an hour and a half to go, as we plan to cross the Cajon Pass in the southbound direction. Well............It's at this point that I fail miserably. Johan, will never trust me again. We start approaching clouds, dead ahead, as we start rising up into the pass. The wind picks up again to gale forces, and now the rain starts. To top it off, what was cloud, is now fog, as we ascend to over 5,000 ft in the pass. I'm in the lead (I think this is punishment for my failing weather control!!) and we continue, for continue we must, because.......... onward and upward we go, getting soaked, and cold, and trying to stay upright, in the wind gusts. The never failing PC's, prove to be strong steeds and we make it over the pass (our speed sometimes less than 15 to 20 miles per hour in the fog) and down into the Ontario/Riverside basin. Once there, the winds are practically gone, there are now streetlights on many parts of the freeway, and even the rain abates a little, although it never really leaves. So, through on again/off again rain, we finally ride off into the sunset (which was about 7 or 8 hours ago!), Johan to his ranch, and me and "Trigger" to.................................. Phil ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 22:53:44 -0800 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: Replacement seat If you wind up getting it, I've got a stock seat from a '90 that you can have for cheap. -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 Honda PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 07:48:15 -0700 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Tank Bag (PC800) The previous owner of my bike epoxied Radio Shack magnets to the underside of the plastic 'tank' to hold on a magnetic tank bag. Some had come off, and I ended up holding it on with a couple lengths of parachute cord, one at each front corner, pasing through holes in the 'tank' and attaching to the frame beneath. (I can feel a lot of people cringing out there). It's a Motoline (German) bag, source unknown. Keep the bag narrow, as the bars hit it when turning sharply. I had to make a couple aluminum tabs to cover the starter and horn buttons, to save lots of embarrassment, (even though the bag is quite narrow). Bob C. NM ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 10:20:36 -0500 To: r&cmeek@bayou.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Tank Bag (PC800) Well, I'll answer what I want regarding your tank bag question. I got an RKA bag, black, extra huge model, apx. $130. Installed in about 5 minutes. Works great. It is only available through mail order. Get the number in a motorcycle rag. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 10:40:54 -0500 To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Toys for Tots Sunday, Dec. 1 Hi All, I've got a little more info on the Toys for Tots Ride. David Wisniewski is going for sure. A few other people I have called expressed some guarded interest. David told me that there are between 15K and 17K riders in this thing. WOW!!!!! It starts at the forest preserve on 87th and Western. Anyone who likes can meet me at my house at 7:45 AM. We need to be on the road by 8:00 AM. I drove down there last night on a recon mission and found a bank called Highland Community Bank. It is located on 87th St. , south side of the street, about 1800 W. 87th. Anyone going on the ride should meet us there so that we can ride together. I'm going to try to get a banner or flag from Moose. We need to be there early so that we can get close to the front of the pack. Remember the start of the Marathon's you have seen on TV? Well this will be ALOT worse. I am going as long as there is no snow or ice on the road. This means cold or rain will not stop us. However, the combination of the two could be deadly. I will be at the restaurant, Tre Kronor 3258 W. Foster at 1:30pm, even if it is snowing. I think this is a great cause and it's a great excuse to get out there one last time. I look forward to seeing you at the ride or at the restauant. Please call 312-235-0933 if you want to attend. I look forward to meeting all of you Northern IL HSTA'ers. Todd Zedak Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Dennis" To: carol ann decelle-meek Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:45:12 +0000 Subject: Re: Tank Bag (PC800) Reply-to: denko@ix.netcom.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Carol asked: > Has anyone out there installed a tank bag on their PC? > I would like to know of your selection (manufacturer and model) > and if you are satisfied with your choice. Would you purchase > the same again or would you choose another brand? > I have an Eclipse. Have had it over 15 years!! Okay, so, I am frugal. It attaches with three buckles. Two go around the steering head and get held up by the plastic covers in front of the pseudo-tank. One goes around the backbone in the back and comes out between the seat and pseudo tank. Works fine. Love it. And, when not in use (most of the time) it resides in the right side of my trunk. > How is the Magnetic Bag installed on the PC? Does the bag stay in > place without any sliding or other movement? Is there a convenient > locking technique which will discourage and or make it a little > difficult to remove it should a greedy person put an eyeball on it? > I really don't think that is an option since the cover is plastic. -------------------- "Veni, Vedi, Velcro" I came, I saw, I stuck around - Anonymous ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: micaland@eatel.net From: cscales@haywire.csuhayward.edu (cscales) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 13:58:14 PST Subject: Re: Replacement seat Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu sounds like a high price to me! chris '89 pc800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Chrchlls2@aol.com Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 21:13:02 -0500 To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: "TO COMDEX" On our PC-800's to see PC-Pentiums (and a whole lot mo... If you want to try some real crosswind practice try going out past Palm Springs near Palm Desert as FWY 10 goes past the wind farms. For those of you who aren't familiar with wind farms they are simply acres and acres of windmill/giant propeller generating units and they are out there for a reason! SAC '89PC 34K and counting ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jeff Hopkins" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: "TO COMDEX" On our PC-800's to see PC-Pentiums (and a whole lot mo... Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 21:57:00 -0600 The crosswinds in the Texas panhandle are the damnest I've ever seen. One time a semi truck-trailer almost tipped over in front of us making an exit right off the hiway into a 50-60 mph north wind. We were riding between 45 and 50 mph and the bikes were leaning way over. ---------- > From: Chrchlls2@aol.com > To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net > Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: "TO COMDEX" On our PC-800's to see PC-Pentiums (and a whole lot mo... > Date: Monday, November 25, 1996 8:13 PM > > If you want to try some real crosswind practice try going out past Palm > Springs near Palm Desert as FWY 10 goes past the wind farms. For those of > you who aren't familiar with wind farms they are simply acres and acres of > windmill/giant propeller generating units and they are out there for a > reason! > SAC '89PC 34K and counting > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 07:29:03 -0500 (EST) From: PetersonRE To: carol ann decelle-meek cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Tank Bag (PC800) On Sun, 24 Nov 1996, carol ann decelle-meek wrote: > Has anyone out there installed a tank bag on their PC? > I would like to know of your selection (manufacturer and model) > and if you are satisfied with your choice. Would you purchase > the same again or would you choose another brand? > If you only want a small bag for gloves, glasses etc you can make your own. That's what I did on my wife's PC (credit for this idea goes to Prof. Fine at Georga Southern) Take any small bag or purse, I used one of the small insulated lunch bags that are sold in the K/W marts (hey they look better than you think, and are stiff enough to stand up). Next go to the office supply store and buy 4 screw mount suction cups. Make a hole in each corner of the bag and attach the suction cups. Attach to the tank with light preasure. No holes in the tank and no scratches from straps. If the tank is clean, and I have never seen a dirty PC, the bag will stay attached at freeway speed. Just an idea. ................................................................. Bob Peterson / Gainesville, FL USA / EMAIL: afn05166@afn.org :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 08:24:11 -0500 (EST) From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Thanks! Hi, Gang, Just wanted to say that among the many things for which I am thankful, being part of this group is one of them. It's really fun to share a passion withothers, especially when those 'others' are smart, funny, and helpful. Best wishes to all of you for a great Thanksgiving. Alan '89 PC800 '94 XV535 (The Better Half's) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Chrchlls2@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 09:28:45 -0500 To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: TO COMDEX-UPDATED!! In both the Forest Falls narration and the COMDEX story you refer to the "radios". What exactly are these radios. I am evaluating the various brands now and would like to have opinions on each of them. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 08:31:59 -0800 From: PILEWIS1 To: Chrchlls2@aol.com CC: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: TO COMDEX-UPDATED!! Helmet radios. Chrchlls2@aol.com wrote: > > In both the Forest Falls narration and the COMDEX story you refer to the > "radios". What exactly are these radios. I am evaluating the various brands > now and would like to have opinions on each of them. Hi Steve, We're using 49mhz transceivers for our radios. Harrison has the Chatterbox, so I'll let him tell you about that one. The rest of us are using Maxon's. The Maxon works well, but, of course, all 49 mhz radios are subject to interference, and reception of unwanted transmissions such as baby monitors. It is a relatively inexpensive radio however; I think Johan bought his for about $55 including shipping. The Maxon is designed to fit a helmet, without any drilling of holes. The earpiece detaches from the headband, and is then velcroed to the helmet. It's easier to show you than explain it, so if you'd like, I can meet you sometime to show you how it works, since you live fairly close. Hope I've helped. Phil ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 09:32:41 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Greetings Hello. I would like to wish everyone a happy Thanksgiving. Those of you who are traveling have a safe journey. (and loosen up that belt a bit ;-) And to the NW members: Any updates on the meeting @ the Seattle Int. M/C Show? Looks like I'll be able to get out of the deep freeze for a few days. It would be great to meet you folks. Thanks! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 10:50:56 -0900 AKMAIL1.Alaska To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Greetings Date: 27 Nov 96 10:45:53 KST Me too! I'll be flying out of Juneau on the 2nd (weather permitting) and will be staying somewhere downtown. I'll be making that decision here in a couple of days. Stay tuned... ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Greetings Author: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu ("Juan A. Goula") at CC2MHS1 Date: 11/27/96 9:32 AM Hello. I would like to wish everyone a happy Thanksgiving. Those of you who are traveling have a safe journey. (and loosen up that belt a bit ;-) And to the NW members: Any updates on the meeting @ the Seattle Int. M/C Show? Looks like I'll be able to get out of the deep freeze for a few days. It would be great to meet you folks. Thanks! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 16:26:36 -0600 From: "Elliott D. Schulte" To: PILEWIS1@concentric.net CC: Chrchlls2@aol.com, PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: TO COMDEX-UPDATED!! Helmet radios. PILEWIS1 wrote: > > Chrchlls2@aol.com wrote: > > > > In both the Forest Falls narration and the COMDEX story you refer to the > > "radios". What exactly are these radios. I am evaluating the various brands > > now and would like to have opinions on each of them. > > Hi Steve, > > We're using 49mhz transceivers for our radios. Harrison has the > Chatterbox, so I'll let him tell you about that one. The rest of us are > using Maxon's. The Maxon works well, but, of course, all 49 mhz radios > are subject to interference, and reception of unwanted transmissions > such as baby monitors. It is a relatively inexpensive radio however; I > think Johan bought his for about $55 including shipping. The Maxon is > designed to fit a helmet, without any drilling of holes. The earpiece > detaches from the headband, and is then velcroed to the helmet. It's > easier to show you than explain it, so if you'd like, I can meet you > sometime to show you how it works, since you live fairly close. > > Hope I've helped. > > Phil > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ----- Can you explain more about the differences in the radios. Give us the pros and cons like drilling holes. I don't like that but I do like the concept of talking to other riders and passengers. Also can you play/hear cassette tapes over this medium. blah blah...... thankx Elliot ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 18:36:06 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Chrchlls2@aol.com CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Helmet Radios Chrchlls2@aol.com wrote: > > In both the Forest Falls narration and the COMDEX story you refer to the > "radios". What exactly are these radios. I am evaluating the various brands > now and would like to have opinions on each of them. Found this link to the J&M web site: http://www.jmcorp.com/ It was from a Motorcycle Online article announcing their web site, I hope this isn't already old news to everyone. gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and don't forget to turn your rain gauges upside down... Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800'" Subject: Seattle Cycle Show PC800 gathering Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 15:38:09 -0800 We should definitely do this. With Juan and Jo coming to town for the event it will be all the better. I propose we all meet somewhere close by before hand and then proceed over to the show. That should allow for different arrival times and let people browse the show at their own pace. OK? Send email direct to bryceu@microsoft.com if you would like to join the PC800 group gathering. Specify your preferred time by ranking the following times (rank #1 being your best time). If you can't make a slot leave it blank. 1) Friday evening, Jan 3rd 2) Saturday afternoon, Jan 4th 3) Saturday evening, Jan 5th 4) Sunday afternoon, Jan 6th Send me your preferences and I'll summarize and repost for the whole list. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 20:46:45 -0800 From: PILEWIS1 To: elliotds@vvm.com CC: Chrchlls2@aol.com, PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: TO COMDEX-UPDATED!! Helmet radios. Elliott D. Schulte wrote: > > PILEWIS1 wrote: > > > > Chrchlls2@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > In both the Forest Falls narration and the COMDEX story you refer to the > > > "radios". What exactly are these radios. I am evaluating the various brands > > > now and would like to have opinions on each of them. > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > We're using 49mhz transceivers for our radios. Harrison has the > > Chatterbox, so I'll let him tell you about that one. The rest of us are > > using Maxon's. The Maxon works well, but, of course, all 49 mhz radios > > are subject to interference, and reception of unwanted transmissions > > such as baby monitors. It is a relatively inexpensive radio however; I > > think Johan bought his for about $55 including shipping. The Maxon is > > designed to fit a helmet, without any drilling of holes. The earpiece > > detaches from the headband, and is then velcroed to the helmet. It's > > easier to show you than explain it, so if you'd like, I can meet you > > sometime to show you how it works, since you live fairly close. > > > > Hope I've helped. > > > > Phil > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ----- > Can you explain more about the differences in the radios. Give us the > pros and cons like drilling holes. I don't like that but I do like the > concept of talking to other riders and passengers. Also can you > play/hear cassette tapes over this medium. blah blah...... > thankx > > Elliot Hi Elliot, The only radio I can tell you about is the Maxon. It does have an intercom jack, and the headset and cord for that option is about $30(total price, about $90 including intercom). When you are switched to intercom, you can't transmit. (I was switched by mistake, when I tried to transmit. The selector switch is on the side.) I don't know of any way to hook in a cassette player. The maxon has a voice actuated mic, that works very well, even at freeway noise levels. It also has a push-to-talk switch, that you can mount with velcro to your handle-bars. I sometimes use the push-to-talk when I want to play my radio very loud, like on the freeway. When my stereo volume is very high, it will activate the voice-actuated system. I guess the bottom line to radios, is to get what everybody else has in your group. I can't see us changing out of the 49mhz radios, because now everybody has one. (Sorry Steve, 5 of us have them! :-)) I'm sure there are a variety of radios that are a lot better than the Maxon, of course cost has to be considered. I'd be interested what other people have, how well they work for all their riders, and how much they cost. Ride safe and prosper, Phil ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Mat Matlock To: "'PILEWIS1@concentric.net'" , "'Chrchlls2@aol.com'" Cc: "'PC800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: TO COMDEX-UPDATED!! Helmet radios. Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 09:49:39 -0800 I use a Chatterbox and generally like it. It is a small (palm sized) unit that clamps to the left side of the helmet, with speakers and mic velcro-ed inside. Since I use an HJC helmet, there are spaces in the helmet that the speakers fit snugly into (HJC also makes the Chatterbox). There are two broadcast channels plus Intercom, range is probably ¼ mile. There are volume and mic sensitivity controls. The box doesn't weigh much and I don't even notice it. There is a built-in nicad battery and it comes with charger, push to talk switch (I've never used) if you don't like voice-activated. There are jacks on the box for a second headset (passenger), plus an input jack for Walkman type radio. My complaint about the Walkman is something that really isn't the Chatterbox's fault: At highway speeds, the Walkman must be turned pretty high, but a street speed, that is way too loud. The volume is controlled on the Walkman, not the Chatterbox. It is very difficult to adjust the Walkman volume while wearing gloves. My recourse has been to start the Walkman at the last stop before hitting the highway, then turning on the Chatterbox once approach highway speeds. Mat To Infinity and Beyond! Buzz Lightyear -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PILEWIS1 [SMTP:PILEWIS1@concentric.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 1996 10:32 AM To: Chrchlls2@aol.com Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: TO COMDEX-UPDATED!! Helmet radios. Chrchlls2@aol.com wrote: > > In both the Forest Falls narration and the COMDEX story you refer to the > "radios". What exactly are these radios. I am evaluating the various brands > now and would like to have opinions on each of them. Hi Steve, We're using 49mhz transceivers for our radios. Harrison has the Chatterbox, so I'll let him tell you about that one. The rest of us are using Maxon's. The Maxon works well, but, of course, all 49 mhz radios are subject to interference, and reception of unwanted transmissions such as baby monitors. It is a relatively inexpensive radio however; I think Johan bought his for about $55 including shipping. The Maxon is designed to fit a helmet, without any drilling of holes. The earpiece detaches from the headband, and is then velcroed to the helmet. It's easier to show you than explain it, so if you'd like, I can meet you sometime to show you how it works, since you live fairly close. Hope I've helped. Phil ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Mat Matlock To: "'PILEWIS1@concentric.net'" , "'Chrchlls2@aol.com'" Cc: "'PC800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: TO COMDEX-UPDATED!! Helmet radios. Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 09:49:39 -0800 I use a Chatterbox and generally like it. It is a small (palm sized) unit that clamps to the left side of the helmet, with speakers and mic velcro-ed inside. Since I use an HJC helmet, there are spaces in the helmet that the speakers fit snugly into (HJC also makes the Chatterbox). There are two broadcast channels plus Intercom, range is probably ¼ mile. There are volume and mic sensitivity controls. The box doesn't weigh much and I don't even notice it. There is a built-in nicad battery and it comes with charger, push to talk switch (I've never used) if you don't like voice-activated. There are jacks on the box for a second headset (passenger), plus an input jack for Walkman type radio. My complaint about the Walkman is something that really isn't the Chatterbox's fault: At highway speeds, the Walkman must be turned pretty high, but a street speed, that is way too loud. The volume is controlled on the Walkman, not the Chatterbox. It is very difficult to adjust the Walkman volume while wearing gloves. My recourse has been to start the Walkman at the last stop before hitting the highway, then turning on the Chatterbox once approach highway speeds. Mat To Infinity and Beyond! Buzz Lightyear -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PILEWIS1 [SMTP:PILEWIS1@concentric.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 1996 10:32 AM To: Chrchlls2@aol.com Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: TO COMDEX-UPDATED!! Helmet radios. Chrchlls2@aol.com wrote: > > In both the Forest Falls narration and the COMDEX story you refer to the > "radios". What exactly are these radios. I am evaluating the various brands > now and would like to have opinions on each of them. Hi Steve, We're using 49mhz transceivers for our radios. Harrison has the Chatterbox, so I'll let him tell you about that one. The rest of us are using Maxon's. The Maxon works well, but, of course, all 49 mhz radios are subject to interference, and reception of unwanted transmissions such as baby monitors. It is a relatively inexpensive radio however; I think Johan bought his for about $55 including shipping. The Maxon is designed to fit a helmet, without any drilling of holes. The earpiece detaches from the headband, and is then velcroed to the helmet. It's easier to show you than explain it, so if you'd like, I can meet you sometime to show you how it works, since you live fairly close. Hope I've helped. Phil ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 20:54:58 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Bad Press In Flamewreck.Motorcycle Has anyone noticed the amount of negative press our PCs have gotten as a result of a recent thread in Flamewreck.Motorcycles? Do a Usenet search for "Pacific Coast". I resisted the temptation to educate the unenlightened, as it appears that their opinions are carved in stone. Besides, we must control our "Monsters From The Id". (Forbidden Planet - 1956) Odd, same year I was born... BTW, it was 2 degrees at the river this morning! gk -- ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and the turkey was compliments of Swanson Frozen Dinners... Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 11:26:59 -0500 To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: downshifting In a message dated 96-11-15 13:57:15 EST, JTSMCRIDER@aol.com writes: << However, when it comes to emergency braking to a stop, all of the braking research that has been done to date has shown that it is important to squeeze the clutch lever to eliminate engine braking from the equation. >> Since you could not have made this statement without familiarizing yourself with all of the braking research that has been done to date, I would appreciate it if you would list the sources of all the braking research that has been done to date. I would very much like to study them. I've never seen a field in which all the research has reached the exact same conclusion before... Thanks, <> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 15:14:53 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Sid Liebes Subject: Loading Reading the Owner's Manual, in preparation for '97 PC800 purchase in a week or so, suggests that two-up riding may commonly overload a bike beyond the manufacturer's load limit specification ... 1) Personal example: Wt. (lb.) Item ----- ----------------------------------------------------- 195 Driver body weight (moderately overweight 5'10" male) 5 Driver street cloths (no shoes) 15 Driver riding gear (helmet, suit, boots, gloves) --- 215 25 Gasoline (4.2 gal @6 lb./gal) 5 Bike fluids, other (engine oil, coolant, battery, etc) 5 Tools 5 Locks --- 40 === 255 Driver, street cloths, riding gear, bike fluids, tools, lock 369 Load limit, per manufacturer -255 Driver, street cloths, riding gear, bike fluids, tools, lock === 114 Available for cargo, plus passenger's body weight, street cloths, riding gear Conclusion: At my present weight, I am not able to carry a typical adult passenger, even excluding all personal cargo, and remain within manufacturer's load limit. 2) Consider general case of two-up loading: Wt. (lb.) Item ----- ----------------------------------------------------- 10 Two people's street cloths (no shoes) 30 Two people's riding gear (helmet, suit, boots, gloves) --- 40 25 Gasoline (4.2 gal @6 lb./gal) 5 Bike fluids, other (engine oil, coolant, battery, etc) 5 Tools 5 Locks --- 40 === 80 Two people's street cloths, riding gear; bike fluids, tools, lock 369 Load limit, per manufacturer - 80 2 people's st. cloths, rid'g gear, bike fluids, tools, lock === 289 Available for combined rider and passenger bare weight, plus personal cargo Example of case of two-up riding with body weights 160 lb and 125 lb, totalling 285 lb: 289 Available for combined rider and passenger bare weight, plus personal cargo -285 Total body weight of an average male and average female === 4 Available for personal equip add-ons and personal cargo Conclusion: PC800 riders should be mindful of personal circumstances in assessing bike loading in two-up riding. - Sid ---------------------------- Sidney Liebes, 4U-1 Hewlett-Packard Laboratories 1501 Page Mill Rd. Palo Alto CA, 94304-1126 liebes@hpl.hp.com Phone: (415)857-5750 FAX: (415)857-6278 ---------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Loading From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 30 Nov 1996 17:39:12 -0600 Lines: 18 >>>>> "SL" == Sid Liebes writes: SL> Conclusion: PC800 riders should be mindful of personal circumstances in SL> assessing bike loading in two-up riding. Well, of course. But you also have to consider just how much CYA Honda is doing in specing those numbers. While I'm no going to tell you that it's OK to overload the bike, I will say that it's rather dumb to actually design the bike so that it couldn't handle two average Americans with gear. Perhaps they think the average American is like the average Japanese person? Hopefully not. Then again, I get blown over by a stiff breeze (57kg clothed on a good day) but I think that with proper tire inflation and proper suspension setup you'll notice the engine complaining about the weight before you notice the rear end wallowing. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 18:31:53 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Sid Liebes CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Loading Sid Liebes wrote: > > Reading the Owner's Manual, in preparation for '97 PC800 > purchase in a week or so, suggests that two-up riding > may commonly overload a bike beyond the manufacturer's > load limit specification ... As someone mentioned in a previous similar thread, the GVWR is "low balled" by corporate liability concerns. Search the archives and I think you'll find some posts that give specific examples of loading (or overloading, as the case may be..) gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and neither one can use Windows 95... Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 18:27:09 -0500 (EST) From: Barre Bull To: Sid Liebes cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Loading Sid, Have ridden over 30k miles 2 up alot of those miles with enuff clothes and such for 3-4 days. Never had any problem what-so-ever with weight. Me 165lbs Wife 110lbs Mess o' stuff probably from 30 to 60 lbs But I'm the type who doesn't worry about such things until the bike won't move. ;) Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us On Sat, 30 Nov 1996, Sid Liebes wrote: > Reading the Owner's Manual, in preparation for '97 PC800 > purchase in a week or so, suggests that two-up riding > may commonly overload a bike beyond the manufacturer's > load limit specification ... > > > 1) Personal example: > > Wt. > (lb.) Item > ----- ----------------------------------------------------- > > 195 Driver body weight (moderately overweight 5'10" male) > 5 Driver street cloths (no shoes) > 15 Driver riding gear (helmet, suit, boots, gloves) > --- > 215 > > 25 Gasoline (4.2 gal @6 lb./gal) > 5 Bike fluids, other (engine oil, coolant, battery, etc) > 5 Tools > 5 Locks > --- > 40 > > === > 255 Driver, street cloths, riding gear, bike fluids, tools, lock > > > 369 Load limit, per manufacturer > -255 Driver, street cloths, riding gear, bike fluids, tools, lock > === > 114 Available for cargo, plus passenger's body weight, > street cloths, riding gear > > Conclusion: At my present weight, I am not able to carry a typical > adult passenger, even excluding all personal cargo, and remain > within manufacturer's load limit. > > > 2) Consider general case of two-up loading: > > Wt. > (lb.) Item > ----- ----------------------------------------------------- > 10 Two people's street cloths (no shoes) > 30 Two people's riding gear (helmet, suit, boots, gloves) > --- > 40 > > 25 Gasoline (4.2 gal @6 lb./gal) > 5 Bike fluids, other (engine oil, coolant, battery, etc) > 5 Tools > 5 Locks > --- > 40 > > === > 80 Two people's street cloths, riding gear; > bike fluids, tools, lock > > > 369 Load limit, per manufacturer > - 80 2 people's st. cloths, rid'g gear, bike fluids, tools, lock > === > 289 Available for combined rider and passenger bare weight, > plus personal cargo > > Example of case of two-up riding with body weights 160 lb and > 125 lb, totalling 285 lb: > > 289 Available for combined rider and passenger bare weight, > plus personal cargo > -285 Total body weight of an average male and average female > === > 4 Available for personal equip add-ons and personal cargo > > Conclusion: PC800 riders should be mindful of personal > circumstances in assessing bike loading in two-up riding. > > > > > > > - Sid > > ---------------------------- > Sidney Liebes, 4U-1 > Hewlett-Packard Laboratories > 1501 Page Mill Rd. > Palo Alto CA, 94304-1126 > liebes@hpl.hp.com > Phone: (415)857-5750 > FAX: (415)857-6278 > ---------------------------- > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 21:03:13 -0500 To: liebes@hplms2.hpl.hp.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Loading Uh Sid, I think a hobby would be in order. There are plenty of us, myself included that have riden thousands of miles, 2 up, with gear at extra legal speeds with NO TROUBLE!!!! Check the archives. I weigh 240lbs, my passenger weighs 120, plus gear. You're the HP tech guy but the piont is the manf. recommened weight limit is WAY conservative. Buy the bike, load it up, and RIDE!!!!! Z